From news.spc.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!mr.net!data.pa.vix.com!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!crl.dec.com!lead.zk3.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.com!minix.vbo.dec.com!not-for-mail Thu Jun 25 15:11:35 1998 Xref: news.spc.edu comp.org.decus:9367 comp.os.vms:200962 comp.sys.dec:67424 Path: news.spc.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!mr.net!data.pa.vix.com!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!crl.dec.com!lead.zk3.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.com!minix.vbo.dec.com!not-for-mail From: Mike Rechtman Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.org.decus Subject: Re: Call for lists of VMS advantages Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:59:43 +0300 Organization: Digital Lines: 261 Message-ID: <359249BE.287DBB6A@digital.com> References: <35802C29.58EC@pfizer.com> <6me7lb$agn$1@tesla.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> <358AA788.4FB8@world.std.com> <6mee1a$dbe$1@andros.cygnus.com> <6mgctj$3in$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <358E816C.6B9DB410@assetservices.com-junk.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dandan.iso.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V6.2 VAXstation 4000-60) Robin Garner wrote: > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > > In article <6mee1a$dbe$1@andros.cygnus.com>, > > Bill Moyer wrote: > > : ... > > : I will gather the (really good!) information people have posted to > > : this thread, summarize it, and posit a plan of action once more people > > : have had their say, but I wanted to interject to say something here: > > : This is *not* a "my OS is better than your OS" thread. I happen to > > : like Unix... > > On a related note: You know your a VMS bigot when: You think case sensitivity is some ones idea of an April Fools joke You keep trying to use the EDT keypad in Word. You know why the SHOW SYSTEM display had to have the "system uptime" field increased beyond 999 days. You have the complete VMS docset on display in your living room. Your mail file doesn't grow to the size of the national debt. You expect upper AND lower case to work the same way You wish your car was as reliable as your computer You keep wanting Digital to produce "Visual DCL" You don't think about the Milky Way when you hear the word "Galaxy" You travel to Nashua twice a year, to get the newest fashion in T-shirts and jackets You know where NT stores its data if they really need it to be saved You know what Wes Melling was talking about, saying: "When you absolutely can't tolerate down-time" If you think that the word "legacy" refers to the next generation of Lego toys that your kids want. You remember the VAXworks group PATCH is your favorite text editor You can cite chapter and verse in the docset You know what the bars on the wall in front of ZKO spell The first thing you think of when you see a dollar sign isn't money You refer to Unix as the only commercially available computer virus When you know that the console sequence to force quorum recalculation without crashing the cluster. When your Exchange mail is set to auto-forward to STAR When you know the boot file sequences to make an efficient TU58 console boot tape. You insist on typing SET DEF [-] at your PC's DOS prompt Your LOGIN.COM exceeds 200 block and is on its thousand-something version Your LOGIN.COM file contains its own debugging language Your LOGIN.COM is written in Macro When you need to discipline the kids at home, you refer to it as CMKRNL time You think that "grep, awk, yacc" sounds like a death rattle When you hear ICBM's you don't think of nuclear warfare You know what happened November 17, 1858 You wonder why folks spend extra for a BACKUP tool You feel like you're using a crayon when you're working on a PC You still have a VAX architecture manual You can retrieve a file from another system with a one-line command instead of running a program, logging into the remote systems, and getting the file. None of your hardware uses PCI You tend to type a dollar sign in front of most verbs You think EXCHANGE is an OpenVMS utility for manipulating mass storage volumes You don't understand why e-mail needs to be in a format that uses half a megabyte of disk space for a one-page document. You maintain OpenVMS accounts on your workstation for coworkers who have migrated to PCs You think a form with one page of information should fit on your screen without scrolling You know what INSQTI means You know that fork queue is not an insult When you type $show dev d at the c:\> prompt and expect it to work You need a mouse with three buttons and the middle button is useful You turn 40 and tell friends that your are 28 hex A normal date is written as dd-mmm-yyyy You never saw the euphemism in "VAX Headroom" You expect all machine instruction to work left to right You can solve any problem with a TECO macro Your favorite "portable" language is TECO You see the movie Spawn and keep thinking about sub-processes You think Carl Sagen was wrong about "Galaxies" The only question about restoring a backup is finding it You belive a computer might handle more than one user at a time You feel Robert Frost was talking about quotas when he said: "Good fences make good neighbors" You presume that calling between languages "just works" You do not expect the previous version of your file to be destroyed by the new one You still measure performance in VUPS You understand that 'open' is a silent prefix You know there is more to bliss than ignorance You know RMS does not mean 'root mean square' The concept of a blue screen of death is foreign to you You think that a command line interface is better than a GUI You're surprised to find out that "cluster" is a new concept You have forgotten how to reboot because your system's been up so long You reboot your desktop station once every 15 months (and only because a tornado caused a city-wide power blackout) You don't have to reboot your workstation daily You know you can find out how to use a command by typing help and get it You use your VMS system to backup important files from your PC You don't need the UNIX for Dummies and Windows for Dummies to perform simple functions You want nothing to do with eunuchs You choke on your coffee when someone tells you Microsoft does clusters You Laugh when someone tells you they are certified for PC systems programming. You use SDA as your CLI Your debuger is Delta or xdelta You have no difficulties with using Debug in six windows on a VT100 You know for sure that you will never meet a TPU macro virus You really can't think of anything Bill Gates actually invented The most useful app on your PC is Telnet. the second most useful app on you PC is the CD player You never thought I was that bright to begin with. You know why the VMS development machine is named STAR You are still seeking "Compose Character" key on your PC keyword You answer 52.444 when someone asks your address You can talk about clusters with over 10 notes You have to drive your car to ready the other Cluster nodes You operating system is more reliable than your car You have used patch/abs to patch an Alpha image and it worked The Pacific Northwest is still best known for its trees. You know what PMDF stands for You don't exit your editor when you leave for a two week vacation You actually expect your mail to work You don't follow up an email with a phone call and a fax You think that Microsoft is a new type of softserve ice cream You see no reason at all for a _minimum_ password lifetime. You know that the kernel is part of the operating system not Mr. Sanders first name You can use threads for more that sewing You can convert your phone number to hex You can use SDML You know what SDML stands for ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Usual disclaimers apply. All opinions are mine alone - perhaps not even that Mike Rechtman rechtman@gezernet.co.il work:michael.rechtman@digital.com Kibbutz Tzor'a. Voice (home): 972-2-9908337 PSI%42512001121300::Mike "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------