Hi Folks, This archive represents a little piece of BOC-L history - and of course, BOC-L's pre-history, as the "Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List" and then as the "Imaginitive Rock Discussion List". What can I say, sometimes this list has been as schizophrenic as the bands that we love. :-) The Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List was formed on September 22, 1990, when I posted a message to alt.rock-n-roll and alt.rock-n-roll.metal, asking if anyone would be interested in joining a private discussion list devoted to the imaginitive rock music of Blue Oyster Cult. I started getting responses within the hour. Anyway, a few months into the discussion, it occured to me that perhaps this discussion should be saved, for at least its entertainment (if not its informative :-) value. So I asked if anyone on the list had been archiving the discussions. I got several responses, but by far the most complete was from . He had practically all the posts from up until the end of November, and after that, I archived everything myself. There were a few interruptions in the archiving after that, like when I temporarily lost my net access, and had to get my friend Brian to archive everything for me. But relatively little, except for a brief period around December of 90 got lost. So, this archive is most of what was posted to the Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List, the Imaginitive Rock Discussion List, and BOC-L from September of 90 until November of 91. Some of it is very foot-in-the-mouth stuff, especially in light of how much more we now know about BOC's and Hawkwind's music and careers. Don't think too harshly of us. :-) Enjoy! -your former Humble Moderator :-) Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 09:10:10 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 90 22:05 EST Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" Welcome! You have just joined the Blue Oyster Cult Discussion Group, and your name and e-mail address have been added to the distribution list. Here's how you may partake in the discussion: Keyword What it does ----------- ------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE - Join the BOC Discussion List UNSUBSCRIBE - Leave the BOC Discussion List POST - Post an article (to be distributed) DISC - Get discography for (see below) LIST - Get a list of available files (see below) ADD - You contribute a file to the archive INTRO - * Get a file explaining what this group is HELP - Get this file More keywords may be added at a future date, especially if we start archiving other types of files, (i.e. lyrics, band info, etc...) * At the moment only 2 discographies (fairly complete) are available: BOC and Hawkwind. So the LIST command isn't very interesting. :-) Both discographies contain songlists, and it would be nice if any contributed ones did as well. :-) * If you read the post (9/22/90) on alt.rock-n-roll, then you have already read the INTRO file mentioned above. The way to use the above keywords: ---------------------------------- Send a letter to: v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet Make the "Subject:" line, or the first line of the body of the letter one of the above keywords. If it says anything other than "POST", that's all you need to do. The rest of the letter will be read by your humble moderator (i.e. me) but will go no further. The only messages that will go out from my account are ones that have POST as their Subject: or first line. These will be dist- ributed (mailed) to everyone who is currently subscribed to the list. Some people have inquired why I don't run this from my Unix account. The reason is simply that I need my Unix disk quota for academic stuff, while my VMS account isn't good for much except sending mail. :-) That's all from me. If this help file has failed to properly explain anything, feel free to send personal mail to me at my unix address: swann@acsu.Buffalo.Edu That's all! | "Speak to me in many voices; make | them all sound like one... " | - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 09:10:56 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 90 22:06 EST Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" OK, Your humble moderator is going to get things rolling by telling everybody what lyrics we have, and which ones we need. (Even though obviously, telling you one of those things is enough to let you figure out the other for yourself...) :-) Ok, courtesy of a fellow who calls himself "the jester" (he's not on the list right now, I'm hoping he'll join us at some point), we have the lyrics to the first 5 BOC albums: 1971? Blue Oyster Cult: all songs (except Screams) 1973 Tyrrany And Mutation: all songs (except Quicklime Girl) 1974 Secret Treaties: all songs 1976 Agents Of Fortune: all songs 1977 Spectres: all songs courtesy of a fellow named Tom Wilson, we have the lyrics to 1979 Mirrors: all songs 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus: Black Blade 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin: Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Joan Crawford As you can see, we are missing practically everything from Cultosaurus Erectus onward. Tom Wilson and I have endeavored to fill in the missing pieces, to some extent, (with mixed results). Here is what we have accomplished (lyrics are from "slightly" to "very" incomplete): 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus: Monsters 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin: Fire Of Unknown Origin Vengeance (The Pact) 1988 Imaginos: In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of etc.... Blue Oyster Cult Les Invisibles Magna Of Illusion If you would like to obtain the lyrics to the first 5 albums, we have already entered them into the lyrics server at Umass. (this will save me a huge amount of disk space). To use the lyric server, send a message with one line in the body of the message (the Subject: line can be anything, the lyric server ignores it). The one line message should be HELP no quotation marks, or other adornments. :-) Send it to this address: ------------------------ Lyrics@Umass.bitnet If we ever figure out the lyrics to the later albums, we'll be putting them on the lyric server as well. Ok, there's about 17 people on this list now, and we haven't even gotten the monday morning crowd in yet. :-) Let's get this moving... - HM (your Humble Moderator). >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 11:05:08 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 10:28 EST Subject: A note about the BOC list... To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi, If any of you are having trouble getting mail to this silly bitnet address (v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet), try the following variation on it: v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu In other news, we might (I emphasize the -might-) be able to get this thing moved to the ubvms list server, which would do 2 good things: it would completely automate the process of re-distributing posts, and it would give us plenty of file space to archive stuff, which could be retrieved by simple commands (not unlike the ones I'm using now, as I modelled my system on the list server). I am trying to convince the ubvms postmaster to allow us to use the server. In the meanwhile, has everybody received the file "Welcome"? I'm not sure if it's gotten to everyone. That's all for now! - your Humble Moderator >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 14:02:32 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 08:43 EST Subject: BOC Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Received: from JNET-DAEMON by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 24 Sep 90 07:38 EST Received: From UKACRL(MAILER) by UBVMSC with Jnet id 0931 for V061Q3X6@UBVMS; Mon, 24 Sep 90 07:38 EDT Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer R2.03B) with BSMTP id 2053; Mon, 24 Sep 90 11:24:37 BST Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 11:19:45 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: POST: Discography Sender: Paul Mather To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET Reply-to: Paul Mather Message-id: <7922.9009241022@helios.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Via: UK.AC.BANGOR.SEES; 24 SEP 90 11:18:37 BST In-Reply-To: <2D7C8C4A581F602643@UBVMS.BITNET>; from "V061Q3X6@UBVMS.EARN" at Sep 23, 90 5:38 p Sent: Mon Sep 24 11:19:45 BST 1990 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] X-Envelope-to: V061Q3X6 > Would anyone be interested in a Moody Blues discography? It seems > to fit the genre of music we will be discussing. I wouldn't be that interested personally, but I would be in a BOC discography. I'd like to know which albums I'm missing (_Tyranny and Mutation_, _Spectres_ and _Club Ninja_ as far as I know). Or, asking the impossible, how about a Hawkwind one? Jeez, who can keep track of all those compilation albums?... Not me! :-) Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:44:36 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 90 19:29 EST Subject: Announcement To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hello people. Announcement time. Everybody listen up! We've got a list on the UBVMS list server now. For anybody who knows their VAX/Bitnet stuff, that means we have a list created called BOC-L. It would allow us to 1.) automatically re-distribute postings, and 2.) keep an archive from which people could fetch files by sending a request, MUCH the same as I'm doing it now from my account. The main difference would be that it would be completely automated. It might be a little more difficult to use for people who don't deal with e-mail a lot, but I'm pretty sure that everyone could get the hang of it pretty quick. The only catch, and I assume this isn't a big deal, is that to use the listserver, you have to "register" with it, i.e. give it your real name and e-mail adress. I already have those for 60% of the people on this list. The rest of you can register with it on your own if you want to use it. Ok. That's the end of announcement time. Now it's voting time. Who wants to use the listserver? I'm kind of enjoying running it out of my account, so don't feel obliged to vote for the bucket- of-bolts listerv machine because it would make my life easier. :-) All right? Everybody understand the issue? Good. Here's how to vote: send me a mail message that states clearly Vote: list yes Vote: list no Obviously, abstaining doesn't count as a vote either way. If the "Yes" votes win, we move this to the listserver. If the "No" votes win, I'll keep running it out of my account here, like we've been doing so far. If you have any questions, mail me. The polls are open from now until next Friday (10/5/90). We return now to our Imaginitive Rock discussion, already in progress... :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:47:57 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 90 09:32 EST Subject: Post: discography database To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu" "Desdinova" 27-SEP-1990 01:29:50.48 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Request (Dio) Say... since there can't be a copyright put on lists, why don't we create a "Discography" server? We could create a big database of all the information possible for a particular band. We could index by Artist's names, song titles, band names, etc... Anyone game for this? I know the NeXT comes with a killer dbase system, I just don't know enough about it to do anything. [ Editor's Note: And do any of us -have- NeXT machines? :-) ] Jawaid Bazyar | Blondes in big black cars look better wearing Senior/Computer Engineering | their dark sunglasses at night. (unk. wierdo) jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | The gin, the gin, glows in the Dark! | (B O'Cult) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:06 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 16:27 EST Subject: Post: Godzilla Live To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"LYON@SERVAX.BITNET" 26-SEP-1990 16:17:14.90 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST Just found an interesting [probable] rarity on a recent visit to Chicago. It's a promotional 12" single titled 'Godzilla Live'-- it has the studio version on one side, and a live version different >from the ones on Some Enchanted Evening and Extraterrestrial Live on the other. The live version, by the way, sounds better than the 'official' live versions on SEE & ETL, though it's rather short. I doubt any of these were officially sold, considering the somewhat cursory cover [a black and white photo of Godzilla on the front, nothing on the back] and the official "PROMOTIONAL COPY ONLY--NOT FOR RESALE" stamp. Has anyone else ever seen one of these? --T. Rev [not Dorothy Lyon] >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:27 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 12:16 EST Subject: Post: Request (Dio) To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi folks, Your Humble Moderator here with a request. Will somebody who knows his stuff whip up a Ronnie Dio discography? To make it match the other discographies, please put in the following format: Hawkwind Discography, Rev.2 --------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind Hurry On Sundown single The Reason Is? tabs Be Yourself here Paranoia Part I and II Seeing It As You Really Are Mirror Of Illusion 1971 In Search Of Space [don't have songlist] and so forth..... By the way, we -do- have the songlist for In Search of Space, that was just intended as an illustrative example... :-) The bands that I know Dio has been in are: Elf Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow Black Sabbath Dio So, would some knowlegeable soul please do that? And remember, if everyone assumes that someone else will do it, then no one will do it. :-) Thanks! Steve >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:42 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 10:13 EST Subject: BOC Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"SNURMELA@FIRIEN.BITNET" "Sami Nurmela" 26-SEP-1990 08:24:58.23 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST On the subject of Hawkwind, my copy of "Sonic Attack" (RCA 1981) is a mis-pressing: the album has two A-sides! I mean, the labels are correct, "side A" on the other side, "side B" on another, but the music is same on both sides (songs from A-side). Has anybody else seen a similar copy ? How common is this ? The musical content of the album is not so good, but I miss the Mike Moorcock performance on side B :-( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sami Nurmela 'And crawling - on the planets face Univ. of Turku, Finland some insects - called the human race SNURMELA@KONTU.UTU.FI lost in time - and lost in space NURMELA@CS.UTU.FI and in meaning' (the RHPS) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:49:03 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 90 18:34 EST Subject: Post: Hawkwind discography To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mlutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu" "Mike Borella" 25-SEP-1990 17:58:46.73 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Post A Hawkwind discography? Well, I'll do the best I can from memory. I'll exclude compilations for now. If enough people are interested, I'll try to add them later, after I hit some NY record stores to refresh my memory. [ Editor's Note: What I did was take Mike's discography, merge it with mine, and give the result below. Note that the discographies I have on file here (the ones you can request with the DISC command) have songlists for 80% of the albums. ] Well, I missed a couple. I'll re-post ASAP with those, and any others that I remember. If anyone can help me out, please reply to my useird (to save space). Mike Borella [ Here's the result of the combined discographies ] Hawkwind Discography -------------------- 1970 Hawkwind 1971 In Search Of Space 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido '71-72? The Text Of Festival (live) [ Need Songlist ] 1973 Live '70/'73 (live) [ don't bother, lousy recording ] 1973 Space Ritual Alive (live) [ Need Songlist ] 1973 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (live) 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time [ Need Songlist ] 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm 77/78? Friends And Relations - Hawkwind [ people associated with the band ] - Nik Turner's Inner City Unit (1982) - Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix (1982) 1978 PXR5 1978 Hawklords - 25 Years On [ Hawkwind before they were "Hawkwind" ] [ Need Songlist ] 1979 Hawkwind Live (live) 1980 Levitation 1982 Church Of Hawkwind 1982 Sonic Assassins [ Need Songlist ] 1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (live) 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1985 Live Chronicles (live) 1986 The Hawkwind Collection 1977 Out & Intake [ Need Songlist ] 1988 The Xenon Codex 1989 The Night Of The Hawk [ that's it... ] >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 17:31:58 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:40 EST Subject: Post: Bootlegs To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: SBUFVA::CHAN93 "Alvin M. Chan" 28-SEP-1990 11:33:40.91 To: UBVMS::V061Q3X6 CC: CHAN93 Subj: POST: Hawkwind (bootlegs) Does anyone know if there are any Hawkwind bootleg albums available, and if so, what album/tape/CD titles they are, and also if the name of the band was disguised on the jacket? (eg: there were some YES bootlegs that were labeled as some other bandname, but the picture on the cover showed the recognizable personnel) - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 17:32:23 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 17:06 EST Subject: Re: Announcement To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" Hiya Dworkin, >The main question is what happens the end of the term/quarter/academic >session and your account vaporizes. If it's not that sort of account, >I have no problem with you maintaining it there. If, however, it will >disappear at some point, putting on the list-server (with the increase >in available disk space) would be the better move. I agree that there are a lot of advantages to using the listserver, which is why I fought with our postmaster until he created a talk group for us. It's just that some people don't like dealing with automated machinery, and some people maybe even don't want to tell their real names. But it looks like we don't have any of those people in this group, because no one has objected yet. All votes have been either to use the server, or "do what's easier for you". But as for the problam of it disappearing with my account when I graduate, that could be easily gotten around. You see, all the "group" consists of is a mailing list, and a couple of discographies, which I could easily send to someone else's account, and they could continue it from there. But anyway, it's looking pretty strongly like we'll be going to the server, which for a short while WILL complicate our lives until we get used to it. :-) Steve >From uunet!EBay.Sun.COM!jhm Fri Sep 28 17:35:00 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 15:33:18 PDT From: uunet!EBay.Sun.COM!jhm ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, djoyce@u.washington.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Re: Post: Bootlegs I've never seen any Hawkwind boots, but then I've not seen many boots period. I think that someone from the UK would be a better source to ask, since Hawkwind is a big act over there, as opposed to being virtually unknown here in the US. Anyone know of any books about Hawkwind? Anyone written to one of the addresses on their albums? scorch >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Sat Sep 29 19:30:05 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:13 EST Subject: Announcement: List Server To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hello, people. Announcement Time Again! ------------------------ The name of our list is BOC-L, and the list server it's on is listserv@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu or just listserv@ubvms.bitnet, if you have a smart mailer. If anybody wants to register with it, go ahead, it's subscription access level is "open", so anyone can sign on and off as they please. But, for those who have no idea what I am talking about: It's Tutorial Time! ------------------- This message is specifically for people who DON'T understand List Servers. Anyone who already knows how to use them can discard this message. It's just a short tutorial on how to use the listserver, for people who want to try it out. First of all, take the listserv@...etc address above, and send a letter with the following commands in the BODY of the letter (because list servers ignore "Subject:" lines, and only pay attention to the body of the letter): HELP INFO REFCARD Those 2 commands will get you information on commonly used commands, such as: SUBscribe - Pretty obvious, I would say :-) REGister - You have to register with the list server before it will let uou SUBscribe to any of its lists. And many others... It will also tell you of any specific things which are peculiar to this list server, and make it different from others you may have used. By the way: In case it isn't obvious to anyone what the capitals are for, they indicate the "minimum acceptable" abbreviation neccessary for the list server to be able to recognise the command. Ok, so you get the help files. You read them. That still doesn't subscribe you to BOC-L. So what do you do? Send a letter to the same address: listserv@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu DON'T send it to BOC-L@anything.whatsoever! The BODY of the letter should contain the following commands: ------------------------------------------------------------- REG Me I. Myself SUB BOC-L Me I. Myself ------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously, you will 1.) NOT include the dotted lines! "--------------" ! 2.) Use your own name, not Me I. Myself :-) 3.) If you have non-standard characters in your name, such as some of our friends in Europe, the postmaster seems to think it would be best to leave them out. 4.) Send them in the same order as above! You must be registered with the list server before you can subscribe to anything. That's it, you're subscribed! I'll send more info later, such as how to actually USE the thing. For now though, until everyone is on the listserver, we'll continue to distribute through my account. In case this seems premature, given that the voting is due to continue for about another week, just let me say that it looks so far like there's no opposition to going to the list server, and plenty of good reasons to go ahead with it. And if we could get everyone registered on it by next week, it would be a trivial matter to actually make the switch. That's all for now! Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Sat Sep 29 19:41:02 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:17 EST Subject: Announcement Addendum. To: ws1x+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU, borellms@CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU, stuarth@CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU, makila@FINSUN.CSC.FI, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, pell@ISY.LIU.SE, mccann@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU, p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, BILLY@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@SOLBOURNE.COM X-Vms-To: @REG Hello people! If you receive this message, this means that you are already registered with the listserv group BOC-L. You are among the people whose subscriptions contained enough info to enable the postmaster at UBVMS to register you directly. You will shortly be receiving a post which explains how to register with the list server, how to subscribe to this list, etc. You can read it if you are unfamiliar with list servers in general, or you can pretty much ignore it, as it is mostly intended for the people who aren't registered yet. If you have any questions, mail me. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Oct 1 09:28:43 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 11:04 EST Subject: Post: HW books. To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 1-OCT-1990 10:27:05.34 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST: Re: Post: Bootlegs (Dunno if I should be sending this to BOC-L or here? Anyway...) [ -Definitely- to here. BOC-L is up 'n running, but not many people are subscribed to it yet. - Steve ] > Anyone know of any books about Hawkwind? Anyone written to one of the > addresses on their albums? Do you mean bio/band info type stuff or HW fiction? I have (at last:) a copy of _The Time of the Hawklords_ which is part one of a proposed trilogy involving the HawkMythology. A friend of mine even has the second book too, _Queens of Deliria_. The third book, though promised, never appeared. However, I recently heard a rumour that this proposed final installment, _Ledge of Darkness_ is to surface---as a graphic novel instead. The first book (_tTotH_) was written by Michael Moorcock and Michael Butterworth. The remaining two were written by Butterworth alone. I can't recall the name of the artist on _Ledge of Darkness_ offhand. The two books written are very tongue in cheek. I can't comment on the third one as I haven't seen it. The first two were released in paperback by Star, and are very hard to find nowadays (mine is second hand). I can post more info if anyone wants it. As for bio/band info stuff, I can post the address of Zephyr HawkFrendz if anyone is interested. (The only thing I have from them is a collection of HW artwork under the name "The Xenon Codex" (which I enjoyed), so caveat emptor. :) BTW: They are a voluntary group, non-profit I believe.) Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:14:50 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 18:05 EST Subject: Post: Time Of The Hawklords To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG" 1-OCT-1990 16:43:23.46 To: ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@rti.rti.ORG CC: Subj: POST Re: Time Of The Hawklords > > I have (at last:) a copy of _The Time of the Hawklords_ which is part > one of a proposed trilogy involving the HawkMythology. > > The first book (_tTotH_) was written by Michael Moorcock and Michael > Butterworth. The remaining two were written by Butterworth alone. > This is not meant as a flame or discouragement to any potential readers, and is only my honest opinion. That said... I read "The Time Of The Hawklords" about a year and a half ago, and I thought it was totally ridiculous. I borrowed it from the Pasadena (California) Public Library, since I - A) am a MAJOR Moorcock fan, and MM's name figured prominently on the cover B) am a MAJOR Motorhead fan, and there was a painting of Lemmy on the cover (didn't he play with Hawkwind at one time also?) I soon found out that Moorcock only served as a consultant to Butterworth, he didn't actually write the book. Believe me, it shows. If you love MM as I do, don't expect an Eternal Champion installment. The premise of the book (hippies/rock stars save the world from the evil straights with love and music) sounds kind of cheesy, but in the right hands could be a great story. Unfortunately, Butterworth fizzles on this one. The plot starts to plod early in the book, and never really picks up until the very end. His prose is boring and uninspired, and sounds a little too "yeah man, peace, love, wow" 60s-dated to be considered any better than trashy SF. I wouldn't try too hard to find this book. It's out of print for a logical reason, it really isn't that appealing. But for simple, light entertainment, you could do worse. Prepare for some boredom, though. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:17:41 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 19:21 EST Subject: Post: Hawkwind on CD To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu" "Mike Borella" 1-OCT-1990 19:15:51.26 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Post There's a few Hawkwind CD's I haven't seen out yet, but I'm interested in. Perhaps someone knows how to get these discs and we can work something out? Responses to my e-mail address are welcome. [ editor's note: I'd like to know too, so please post! :-) ] Doremi Fasol Latido Warrior on the Edge of Time Friends & Relations Vols. I & III Choose Your Masques Church of Hawkwind Live CHronicles thanks, Mike >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:17:54 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 19:44 EST Subject: Post: Miscellaneous stuff To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi folks, This is just some stuff that maybe people know, maybe they don't. Also, maybe they care, and maybe they don't. :-) So we'll call it BOC trivia. Did you know? ------------- 1.) I bet most of you already know this. The story told in the song Vengeance (The Pact) is taken from the movie Heavy Metal, the "Taarna" sequence (the last segment of the film. Taarna is the warrior woman who rides the giant bird). The story I heard as to why it wasn't used -in- the movie was that it told the 17 (?) minute Taarna story in 5 minutes. :-) 2.) The Imaginos recording sessions (which featured guitar work by Joe Satriani and Aldo Nova, among others) came up with something like 70 minutes of music. Imaginos is 55 minutes long. The extra material is apparently going to be released as part of an upcoming album (or maybe compilation?). 3.) The Bouchard Bros, (-opinion- time, nobody flame at me!) who are in my opinion the premier songwriters in the band, have pretty much permanently split. They haven't toured with BOC for ages (not since The Revolution By Night tour, in which I recall Joe Bouchard's bass solo as being the high point of the show). But apparently now the split is permanent. They have been seen touring as a band called "The Bouchard Brothers", (a friend of mine had a beer with them after their show here several months ago :-) Apparently they do a mix of their own material, and the songs that they wrote with BOC. This is somewhat interesting, as BOC performs very few songs that were written by them, now that they are gone. If anyone has seen their last few tours (I've seen them every show from Revolution By Night 'til now), you'll notice that they lean heavily on the early albums, even to the extent that on the so-called "Imaginos Tour" they didn't play one single song from Imaginos. Even though the front rows of the audience were chanting for Astronomy (yes I know it's orig- inally from Secret Treaties :-). The one thing I regret is that I didn't get one of those shirts: Blue Oyster Cult on tour Forever :-) 4.) This isn't strictly music, but we're all Moorcock fans, right? :-) Has anybody seen "Law And Chaos: The Stormbringer Animated Film Project"? It's a paperback book, published by Father Tree Press, Poughkeepsie, NY. It's dated 1987. It's a collection of still frames from an attempt by Wendy Pini (yeah, that's right, the woman who did "Elfquest") to do an animated film of Moorcock's Elric series. It comes complete with her notes on the musical score (all classical) that she had planned to back it with. Some of the art is really beautiful, although most of it is nowhere near complete. I thought her Moonglum and Zarozinia were espec- ially good. Moorcock himself, while approving of her project, felt that she somewhat over-romanticized the material. Never- theless, for anyone who really enjoyed the Elric books, this is a -very- nice addition. By the way, it never made it to film. She did it as art school thesis, and -seriously- misjudged the magnitude of the undertaking. So this book is likely the most we'll ever see of it. 5.) On the same note, a friend of mine met Eric Bloom in a local record store here about a year and a half ago, and he (Bloom) said that one of his goals when BOC was taking their next extended break was to get an animated Elric film underway, maybe with BOC music as an intro (though I don't think he was implying a soundtrack or anything like that was in the works). I wonder whether he was just idly speculating, or whether he has any real plans to pursue it? (-guess- which I think :-) Well, that's enough babbling and anecdotes for now. By the way, our BOC discography is pretty much complete, and our Hawkwind discography is just bloody HUGE... And I'm archiving lyrics now that the lyric server is apparently kaput. (legal problems I guess). I've got the lyrics to the albums I mentioned in the introdutory post "virtually" online. :-) What's THAT mean? It means I have 'em on my Amiga, and I need to upload them to this account. I am also going to sometime Real Soon [tm] type in the lyrics to most of the songs from Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword". Where'd I get those from, you ask? A friend of mine caught them on their (only?) American tour, and bought a program they had on sale, left over from the CotBS tour. It had lyrics for about 5 or 6 songs. So, like I said, they'll be online sometime in the near future. That's all for now - Steve (your Humble Moderator :-) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:21:43 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 21:31 EST Subject: Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: SBUFVA::CHAN93 "Alvin M. Chan" 1-OCT-1990 21:12:49.06 To: UBVMS::V061Q3X6 CC: CHAN93 Subj: Post: Moorcock; Art Hi, Since our moderator brought up the topic of Michael Moorcock and related artwork, I'd thought I'd say a few words too. A couple years ago, (when I had money burning in my pockets!), I collected a small amount of comic books. Among these were some nice looking renditions of some of the Eternal Champions : Elric, Hawkmoon, Corum. (There may be others too.) Each novel is broken up in to a number of parts where each part is a separate comic book. The covers of some of these were especially nice looking (eg: the Hawkmoon cover of The Sword of the Dawn pt 3) The quality of the colorwork is a lot better than your average 'Punisher' or 'Spiderman' type comic book also, the colors are solid, and there are a lot of hues (not the cheesy 'dot' format, kindergarten-like splash overs!) these are published by First Comics. I think I've seen the graphic novel format of each book also (Elric). What I would like to see is someone like Druillet draw some of the Moorcock novels (maybe too late due to copyrights etc..) Druillet's renditions of battles are pretty fantasy-fantastic. - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 14:00:12 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 90 10:12 EST Subject: Post: Time Of The Hawklords To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 08:23:03.83 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Time Of The Hawklords Ron Rader, jr writes: > This is not meant as a flame or discouragement to any potential readers, > and is only my honest opinion. That said... Likewise... :-) > I read "The Time Of The Hawklords" about a year and a half ago, and > I thought it was totally ridiculous. I borrowed it from the Pasadena > (California) Public Library, since I - > > A) am a MAJOR Moorcock fan, and MM's name figured prominently on the cover > B) am a MAJOR Motorhead fan, and there was a painting of Lemmy on the > cover (didn't he play with Hawkwind at one time also?) Yes, this is true. Check out the Kilminster tracks on _Doremi Fasol Latido_ (The Watcher) and _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ (Lost Johnny) that appeared on the debut Motorhead album to hear them in their original Hawkwind form. And of course there's always "Motorhead" that surfaced as a single and on the _Independent Days_ 10" Mini LP. I dig Motorhead too. > I soon found out that Moorcock only served as a consultant to Butterworth, > he didn't actually write the book. Believe me, it shows. If you love MM > as I do, don't expect an Eternal Champion installment. Even though the eternal champion does crop up in the books... :-) To be fair, in my original message I did say "The two books written are very tongue in cheek." Perhaps I should have said "The two books written are *VERY* tongue in cheek (warning! warning! there is danger Will Robinson!)." And remember, you only read a third of the full story. Hey, from what I remember, Cap'n Bob hadn't even appeared in the first book! > I wouldn't try too hard to find this book. It's out of print for a > logical reason, it really isn't that appealing. But for simple, light > entertainment, you could do worse. Prepare for some boredom, though. I found the two books a very quick read (too quick a read to be boring:). As you say, if you are expecting anything serious then forget it! I read it as humour (but I'd been primed to expect that beforehand). As such, I enjoyed the books. One of the reasons I mentioned the books in the first place was that they *are* rare... Hey Ron, you're not an agent of the Death Generator by any chance? ;-) All the best, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 14:01:07 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 90 10:17 EST Subject: Re: Post: Hawkwind on CD To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 08:23:08.10 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Hawkwind on CD Mike Borella writes: > There's a few Hawkwind CD's I haven't seen out yet, but I'm interested in. > Perhaps someone knows how to get these discs and we can work something out? > Responses to my e-mail address are welcome. [...] > Warrior on the Edge of Time If it's any help to you, _WotEoT_ was one of the first HW CDs I ever saw. > Choose Your Masques I have found this impossible to get, even on vinyl!!! (The only copy I have is a pretty scratchy one taped off a record library album.) > Live CHronicles I think I've seen this in the shops too. Since I don't own one of THOSE things (:-)), I don't pay too much attention to what's available on CD. Cheers, Paul. >From ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 09:09:14 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 15:09:27 PDT From: ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, raven@rpi.EDU, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Re: HW Post: New album! Wow. Hawkwind with female vocals... hard to imagine. Glad to see Simon House back, I always loved what his violin added to the overall sound, perhaps the band's style will drift towards what it was when he was in before. Damm shame Calvert's dead... scorch >From ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 09:09:57 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 18:20 EST From: ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW Post: RE: New album To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"jhm@EBay.Sun.COM" 3-OCT-1990 18:14:29.91 To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dwork CC: Subj: RE: HW Post: New album! Wow. Hawkwind with female vocals... hard to imagine. Glad to see Simon House back, I always loved what his violin added to the overall sound, perhaps the band's style will drift towards what it was when he was in before. Damm shame Calvert's dead... scorch >From ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 09:10:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 15:27:29 PDT From: ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, raven@rpi.EDU, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Bedrock (was Re: HW Post: New album!) Does anyone know if, where and when this is shown, especially in the San Francisco area? Muchas danke scorch >From ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 09:10:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 17:54 EST From: ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW Post: New album! To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 20:51:06.40 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST: Last minute addition to Hawkwind discography... Just this lunchtime I came across a new Hawkwind album when browsing the record stores. What's more, this is a NEW new album, not a compilation album! Unfortunately, I didn't have any cash on me so I couldn't buy it. :-( However, I did have a pen on me, so I jotted down what was on it. The relevant info is: 1990 Space Bandits Images Black Elk Speaks Wings Out Of The Shadows Realms Ship Of Dreams T.V. Suicide The album is on GWR records. Band credits are (approximately): Bridgett Wishart (vocals) Dave Brock (guitars, vocals) Alan Davey (bass, vocals) Harvey Bainbridge (keyboards) Simon House (violin) Richard Chadwick (drums, percussion) If anyone caught the HW gig shown as part of the "Bedrock" series on ITV, this lineup will be familiar. (For those of you who don't know, "Bedrock" is a televised series of rock concerts filmed by Granada(?) TV and shown, usually in the dead of night, by the ITV companies. Most of the bands I've seen on the series are seventies bands.) I haven't heard the album, so I don't like to pass comment, but I must confess I'm not too pleased to see Bridgett Wishart on vocals. If it is indeed the same woman that did a fair bit of the vocals on the "Bedrock" concert, then her singing is pretty dismal (IMHO). But then again, that was live. Perhaps she's better in the studio... There were a number of tracks on the "Bedrock" concert which I hadn't heard before. I suppose that these were new material from the new album. If that is the case, they sounded nice to these ears, and the whole concert was pretty up-tempo at that. However, I did think that Simon House took a little something from the band, except on those tracks written with him in mind (e.g. the old _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ stuff). Personally, I'd rather have a second guitarist than a violin player trying to fill in for one. The overall sound tended to be a little "thin" and suffered slightly as a result (come back Huw...). But that's just my opinion... All the best, Paul. PS: Some of the proceeds off the album are to go to the RSPB. >From ico.isc.com!swann%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 10:50:15 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 10:25:09 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: testing testing X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Ping! :-) >From ico.isc.com!mbraun%URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 10:51:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 09:40:33 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Matthew Braun Subject: Re: testing testing X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010041426.AA05096@urbana.mcd.mot.com>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 4, 90 10:25 am > Ping! Sure is! Have you had much problem with mail bouncing back to you, other than yesterday? Yesterday, ya see, we had a power outage at this here Mot' site. (Me'n'another guy played backgammon throughout the duration. :-) ) The power was on and off for about 5 minutes, then went out for almost 1 hour. Even when the power did come back, it was very unstable, so we just kept all of the machines off for a good long while. They were turned on sometime last night, or early this morning. Have you had other problems sending mail to me, though? I've had one or two other people say that they've had problems, and I'd like to know just how widespread the problem is, so I can get someone here to take care of it. m@ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Thu Oct 4 21:46:13 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 90 10:14:15 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: New Elric story X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010041425.AA20347@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 4, 90 10:25 am Steve, I was in the local bookshop yesterday and saw a new Elric book called "The City of the Pearl" (this maybe old news to you but I don't get to the bookshop all that often). Have you read it? Is it worth getting? Stu +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Thu Oct 4 21:46:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 20:34:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Attention please! To: Dieter Muller Hi folks, This message is to draw your attention to the return address on this message. Those of you who are familiar with List Servers will not be surprized. To the rest of you: This is from the Listserver, our new setup for the discussion group. Please, when you're sending personal mail, look at the address on the letter before you hit "Reply"! That goes especially for you, m@ 'n' Stu! :-) :-) :-) Everyone please take note - I'm in the process of signing everyone onto the server, hopefully I'll be done by the weekend, and we can start using the server. The address, I believe, is: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu ok? So be careful about those hair-trigger "reply" responses, guys! Thanks :-) Steve, your Humble Moderator >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Sat Oct 6 19:33:52 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 90 18:31:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: INTRO To: Dieter Muller Hello! Since new people are subscribing to the list directly on the list server, I am going to post this once in a while, until I get around to setting up some sort of automatic INTRO file for people who sign up. Are any of you sufficiently knowledgeable Bitnet hacks to tell me how to do that? I have other things I'd like to set up, like making the stuff listed below available directly through the list server. So if anyone could help with that, I'd appreciate it. First of all: Here's what's available from the Imaginitive Rock Discussion Group This list last revised: 10/6/90 ------------------------------- How to fetch them... Make the subject line of a letter: DISC or, LYRICS and send it to: v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu or v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album. "DISC *", or "LYRICS *" are acceptable, but be warned that it will cause a deluge of mail. :-) Discographies: -------------- BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [getting there] Rainbow [somewhat incomplete] Lyrics: ------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [all songs] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation all except: Mistress Of The Salmon Salts [slightly incomplete] 1974 Secret Treaties [all songs] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [all songs] 1977 Spectres [all songs] 1979 Mirrors [all songs] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Divine Wind [slightly incomplete] Deadline [slightly incomplete] Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Vengeance (The Pact) Joan Crawford 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] Coming Attractions: Lyrics to The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Dio discography ------------------------------------------ End of list. Now, here's a couple of other things: if you want to -contribute- something (lyrics, discographies, etc. That's how we got all the stuff we have available now!), then mail it to the same (v061q3x6) address, and make the "Subject:" line "ADD". We're especially in need of people who are good at figuring out lyrics. About a half dozen of us have been filling in the gaps in the albums listed above. If you think you can help, get in touch with me by mail. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Thu Oct 11 13:05:21 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 12:22:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Opinions, opinions, opinions... To: Dieter Muller Hi. Ok, you folks have gotten a little listless lately, so I'm going to try and stir up the mud. I promised when we started this group, that it would be for the exchange of ideas and opinions as well as for disseminating info like lyrics and discographies and such. So, here are a couple of my innumerable opinions: I'd like to make a plug here for what I think is the most overlooked BOC album: Mirrors. All the "old guard" BOC fans have all the early albums, and all the neuveau fans have all the later albums, and Mirrors got left alone in the middle. It's a great album. The Vigil and I Am The Storm stand with the very best material the group has ever done. In Thee is the -only- Alan lanier song that I like, and I think it's a finely written and beautifully performed "soft rock" ballad (Buck's guitar work on it is superb). Moon Crazy is the closest thing to a great dance tune that the group has ever written (they didn't write Dancing In the Ruins). It has a just about unstoppable rythm, which ISN'T by any stretch what I normally look for in a BOC song, but this one, (like all their ventures into other forms of music), brings interest and inventiveness to the genre. The Great Sun Jester is another of their finest works: mellow, but extremely well done, and interesting in concept. The guitar work is (need I even say it) superb. Like any other BOC album, rest assured that others aren't just filler either. Here's another plug: have any of you ever heard "Sign Of The Gypsy Queen", by April Wine? (it's a song, not an album). April Wine is normally a sort of staightforward hard pop group, but on that one song, they out-BOC'd a lot of BOC. :-) If you haven't heard it, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend that you track it down. It's available on an album called "The Nature Of The Beast" (the rest of the album is above-average quality hard rock). People in Europe may -never- find it, sorry. :-) Has anyone heard Dio's new one "Lock Up The Wolves" I think it's called? I'd like to hear an intelligent review of it's merits and/or failings. The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. We're talking album catalog numbers, group members, and song playing times. Definitely for psychotic, drooling Hawkwind "Chrononauts" only. :-) The way to request it when it arrives will be DISC HAWKWIND.INSANE That's all for now. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!KGSAW%ASUACAD.BITNET Thu Oct 11 15:03:37 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:20:16 MST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Adriana Akiaten Subject: Badfinger info To: Dieter Muller Anyone know what's the latest on Badfinger (i.e. recent releases on old stuff). Also -- any discographies for somewhere?? Thanks in advance... >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ccmnate%BULLWINKLE.UCDAVIS.EDU Thu Oct 11 15:04:18 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 11:39:07 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Jester Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >I'd like to make a plug here for what I think is the most overlooked BOC >album: Mirrors. All the "old guard" BOC fans have all the early albums, >and all the neuveau fans have all the later albums, and Mirrors got left >alone in the middle. Oh, well I guess that puts me in a unique classification...I seem to be a "neuveau fan" by age...but am "old guard" fan by taste....:) To be honest, I don't think there is a BOC album that I *don't* like. Yeah, sure I like some better than others...but that's normal. >It's a great album. Yeah....It's *my* favorite BOC album. >Comments on the album deleted for space for my long-windedness....:) Here's MY opinions on the subject: Moon Crazy: This song is FUN! When I am bored...or listless...or just haven't anything to do...I pick up my guitar and put this song on. Now...of course I don't play what they are playing... its much more fun to just noodle along and get a little bit sweaty...:) You're Not The One (I was looking for): There is a part in the song with the line: "All of those fancy ladies oh, they could talk, and talk." Which is followed by a squeaky babble kinda noise...which is actually the Lord's prayer sped up many times. An interesting comparison. Someone in the group has a good sense of humor...:) The Great Sun Jester: The first of three songs that feature Mr. Micheal Moorcock's prose for the lyrics. Based on a character called the "Fire Clown"...? I think it was one of his earlier books. The Vigil: hmmm...I don't want to compare these guys to Yes or Genesis, but this song's structure reminds me of an almost "Progressive Rock" kind of thing. Distinct sections that correspond to changes in lyric style. Any comments? This album, as a whole, seems to me to be a step in a new direction. The "sound" of it is different. Here is an excerpt from a concert program...Cultosaurus tour. "Just as before, this *live* album [Some Enchanted Eve.] marked a punctuation in the BOC saga, time for a change, time to reconsider their position in rock's hierarchy as the last days of the 1970's trickled away. "Change with a capitol C," was how Eric Bloom described what must have been among the most crucial decisions BOC ever made, as Tom Werman (credits: Cheap Trick, Ted Nugent, Molly Hatchet) was brought in to produce BOC's eighth album for Columbia. "Mirrors" was also the first album recorded in California for the label, and followed the pattern of individual contributions by each member. "It was just a question of trying to go in and make another album and have it seem *fresh*," Eric said at the time, "not just going into the same studio again with the same people- it was starting to seem *old*...We wanted to have different production a few albums ago but one thing led to another and we didn't. It was the band's fault we didn't get on it soon enough because we were too busy, and we could never ever get it together to make it happen. But with "Mirrors" we said 'Well, we really feel now is the time to go for a different producer'." I, personally, am glad that they made the change. This album is, to me, the natural direction for them to go. There is still a hint of the "old" BOC here...subject matter, the innovative things they do with standard rock ideom, and (happily) they STILL don't fall back on any style. Every song on the album is different. No resting on the laurels here. >Here's another plug: have any of you ever heard "Sign Of The Gypsy Queen", >by April Wine? (it's a song, not an album). April Wine is normally a sort >of staightforward hard pop group, but on that one song, they out-BOC'd >a lot of BOC. :-) Yep. I've heard this song. Great song...I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. But now I think I'm gonna have it in my head for the rest of the day. >The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. Never having been introduced to Hawkwind before, I don't know what to expect from any of their albums. What albums would be a good intro to them? The Jester "Sir Rastus Bear who'd ever believe? ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu You'd be by a song, redeemed." >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Thu Oct 11 15:06:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 12:25:49 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010111622.AA20326@hp-sde.sde.hp.com>; from "BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 11, 90 12:22 (noon) > Ok, you folks have gotten a little listless lately, I beg to differ, I think I'm on EVERYBODY'S list... > ...overlooked BOC album: Mirrors <--- was the pun intended? :^) Mirrors: Mirrors is different than the "early guard" stuff, and is very different than Cultosaurus. However, when it came out, it seemed like one of two logical directions for BOC to go after Spectres. What I like about Mirrors: I don't know when all the Mirrors stuff was actually written, but it sounds like a number of tunes were saved for such and album. (OPINION ALERT) If this is the case, it was a good idea; being one of the "old guard" (the "over-thirty" crowd, to borrow from Ian Anderson), I always liked the way the early Cult albums kept to a flowing "dark" theme (listen to side 2 of Secret Treaties or Tyranny and Mutation). It would certainly seem inappropriate to mix "Doctor Music" with the likes of "Flaming Telepaths or "Baby Ice Dog." Mirrors is not as deeply "Cultish (?)" as the other albums. It can soothe the savage beast, and it shows talents of the band members not usually found other than in concert. As a matter of fact, the Mirrors tour provided some good new material to "get the crowd into it" before plunging into the depths of classic Cult (sounds like a soft drink). As far as "dance music" goes, anyone who remembers the live "Buck's Boogie" and "I Ain't Got You" jams knows that BOC could play just about anything, and play it well! What I DIDN'T like about mirrors (note that "DIDN'T" is past-tense; I have developed an appreciation for it over the years): It scared me: being one of the "old guard," I thought we had lost one cool band and concept. At first, some of the lyrics seemed superficial by comparison to the classic stuff (ie: "Subhuman", "O.D'd On Life Itself"). It didn't have that mystical feeling. But then, they were the band, I was the audience, and maybe we both needed a brief change. My fears of losing the old BOC were releived during the Mirrors tour (same hard-driving concert band, a daytime concert at Cal Expo, Sacramento) and then when Cultosaurus came out. If I want to listen to some "milder" Cult, I listen to Mirrors (gee, I wonder why it doesn't crackle as much as the other albums :-). (MAJOR OPINION ALERT) Now for MY all time favorite (and under-rated Cult tune): O.D.'d On Life Itself. I've never heard this one live |-(, but the very subtle lead vocal, the lyric content, and the tune make this (IMVHO) the coolest Cult tune. Maybe I like it because it is subtle, as opposed to making an obvious display of "darkness" (ie. "Highway to Hell"). Okay, how about some other Cult favorites, and why (there is no right or wrong, just appreciation). Phil (I said "Baby, that's the breaks...") Nielsen >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!LYON%SERVAX.BITNET Thu Oct 11 18:52:11 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 17:30:19 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: DOROTHY=LYON Subject: Notes & Stuff To: Dieter Muller Some random stuff follows: 1) Just a correction about the Bouchard brothers--Albert left the band before The Revolution by Night came out, but Joe was with them as recently as last May when I saw them in Ft. Lauderdale. [As usual, they shredded.] It's a pity to hear Joe's left the band too; while I don't necessarily think they were the best songwriters in the band [Buck wrote Godzilla and Last Days of May, f'rinstance], I think they were the most important ingredient in the *sound* of the band. What set BOC apart even at their heaviest was that they never became 'sludgy', and that was mostly the Bouchard brothers' jazz influences keeping the mixture open. Listen to 'Teen Archer' to get the clearest example of the rhythm turning what could have been a straightforward, grinding HM song into a manic jazz-thrash attack. What I really find a pity is that no band since then has really seemed to use that approach--every other time I've heard jazz influences in pop music, it's always *mellow* stuff [which I can't stand :-)]. The only exception to that were the Minutemen [and, I suppose, their successors fIREHOSE.], who claimed to be influenced by BOC and Parliament of Funk in roughly equal measure. After Albert left the group, the synth became a lot more noticeable on the band's albums. This, IMHO, worked on _Revolution..._, and did NOT work on _Club Ninja_. It seems as if they started adding more synthesizers to replace the dexterity they'd lost in the rhythm section. Of course, Albert was back for _Imaginos_--it was his project, after all-- and the result was almost as if _Imaginos_ was produced by a BOC that had never made _Mirrors_, or even _Agents of Fortune_, but had continued in a straight line from _Secret Treaties_ for another fifteen years. Very interesting. Does anyone have any concrete information on upcoming BOC stuff, with _Imaginos_ outtakes or without? Speaking of Imaginos, I find it a pity that they never made any videos from it. Before you start throwing rocks, consider that some of the songs ['Astronomy', 'Blue Oyster Cult', 'The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Wesseria'] are actually *suited* to short-film type videos, unlike most of the piffle shown on MTV; and considering the bad videos BOC *has* made, something *intersting* might have done quite a bit to increase their current popularity. But probably not, I guess, and I hear there's some kind of legal wrangling over the record anyway. Has anyone heard anything on that affair? Well, didn't expect the message to get this long, so I'll stop now. T. Rev >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Thu Oct 11 19:43:19 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 10:21:40 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010111622.AA19920@lynx>; from "V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 11, 90 12:22 pm V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu says: > > [stuff deleted...] > > The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. > We're talking album catalog numbers, group members, and song playing times. > Definitely for psychotic, drooling Hawkwind "Chrononauts" only. :-) > The way to request it when it arrives will be > DISC HAWKWIND.INSANE > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Thu Oct 11 19:52:25 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 21:22:33 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller OK, I'll bite. More favorite BOC tunes..... (I haven't posted since my less than enthusiastic received survey of interest for a Moody Blues discography. So I guess it's time to post again.) I would have to say that my favorite BOC tune is the "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" from ETL. I don't know what it is about that tune, but it does it for me every time. Could be just the nostalgia of the tune itself. I've liked BOC ever since I heard (Don't Fear) The Reaper back in '76. I remember that I was in a Boy Scout troop and one of the Assistant Scoutmasters was around 22. He always told us that the best BOC was on the first two albums. Well, being an impressionable 12 years old at the time, not to mention shocked that I never heard any of the old stuff, I was hooked from there. I didn't catch them in concert until the "Revolution By Night" tour. And yes, I was sadly disappointed that they didn't play "Veteran..." However, I loved the show despite this. At the time, I really enjoyed "Shooting Sharks" and "Take Me Away", and the special effects were the best I'd ever seen (limited concert-goer). The only song I remember from the first two albums was "Cities on Flame", a staple tune they always play. They also played "Astronomy", "Roadhouse Blues", "ETI", etc.---i.e. their major tunes. What's the concensus on the "Revolution..." album? I kinda liked it, and as I recall, the reviewer in Stereo Review gave it high marks---may be a first for BOC. That reminds me---how well was "Imaginos" received on the market? I thought it was their best album since "Fire of...", but was unsure about the awareness of the album. It was out for about a year before some of my friends had heard about it. I picked it up as it came out. I was in awe as I listened to it the first time. That'll do it for now, marty schwartz cmu***pittsburgh GO BUCS!!! >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Thu Oct 11 19:53:41 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 21:31:56 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Re: BOC Post: Guest performers on Imaginos X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller Kenny Aaronson was mentioned in the post about guest performers. He was a member of Dust, but I think they were mostly an EARLY seventies band (not late). I have one of their albums, "Hard Attack". At the time, I picked it up for $1.50, mainly for the album cover! Aaronson was also the "A" in HSAS (Hagar Schon Aaronson Strieve). They had one album in the early 80's. Later, marty >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Fri Oct 12 09:48:54 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 15:46:23 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Hawkwind X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010120537.AA25227@lynx>; from "Dieter Muller" at Oct 11, 90 7:50 pm Dieter Muller says: > > All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me > wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find > is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, > released in 1985. The song list on it: > I'm not sure what representative is when it comes to HW. To me the look and feel (sound and feel ?) of the albums: _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ _Quark, Strangeness, and Charm_ _25 Years On_ _Levitation_ is completely different for each album. Maybe it has something to do with the band line-up at the time and the song writing responsibilities. BTW How's the recording quality on _Acid Daze_ ? Stuart. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Fri Oct 12 09:49:28 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 03:55:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: SONG LIST ON ACID DAZE VOL 1 To: Dieter Muller >From: Dieter Muller ..... >All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me >wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find >is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, >released in 1985. The song list on it: > > High Rise > British Tribal Music > Spirit Of The Age > Urban Guerilla > Masters Of The Universe > World Of Tiers > Who's Gonna Win The War > Ghost Dance This is the same song list as on "Hawkwind Anthology Vol.I 1977-1982" put out on Samurai records (SAMR 038). I consider this song selection to be your basic 'ordinary' Hawkwind music. That is if you can consider any of their music to be ordinary! They've put out some really off the wall recordings. "Text of Festival, Hawkwind live 1970-72" is truly an acid daze so to speak. Live material with long improvisational jams with weird repetitive, guttural chants, moans, mutations of sentence fragments that are enough to melt the brain. On the other end of the scale besides their ultra-clean-polished, synthesized recordings like "The Xenon Codex", are the heavier live recordings. An example of this is the album "Ridicule". It can be best described as Pink Floyd gone heavy metal! The song 'Brainstorm' is a good example. Heavy guitars, and drums that sound like they're being played by robots at warp seven. How the drummer(s?) can keep that tempo up throughout these songs without their arms falling off is beyond me! - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Fri Oct 12 09:55:09 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 08:59:34 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Moody Blues X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010120125.AA00694@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "W. Martin Schwartz" at Oct 11, 90 9:22 pm I haven't posted to the list since I got onto the listserver, so to be honest, I'm sort of unfamiliar with the listserver process. Hopefully 'R'eplying will get back to the BOC-L list (the header indicates this is so). So here goes... > > (I haven't posted since my less than enthusiastic received > survey of interest for a Moody Blues discography. So I guess > it's time to post again.) > > marty schwartz > Actually Marty, I'd be enthusiastic about adding a Moody Blues discography to the list. I really like the old stuff, but I have no actual albums. So I'd appreciate having a guide to future MB CD purchases (those puppies get EXPENSIVE). The Moody Blues seem like a natural for the Imaginative blah blah List. At least the second incarnation, between the original R & B (which I still enjoy) and the more current pop-py stuff (my jury is out). I'd rather not waste my time with anthologies and greatest hits albums, since I've always been of the opinion that Moody Blues albums must be taken as a whole. So whattaya say, BOC-L folks? Count my YES vote on compiling info on the Moody Blues! And while we're at it, any other suggestions for additions to the list? How about Black Sabbath? I realize BS is usually considered standard Heavy Metal (it is actually ORIGINAL Heavy Metal, a big difference) as opposed to pure progressive rock, but I consider it to be in that excellent "progressive rock/blues" category. Fantasy images do crop up now and again in the non-Dio Black Sabbath. I'd even be willing to contribute my knowledge for this effort (please realize that my List-reading time is limited, this is my job you know, so I can't spend ALL my time entering the lyrics for "Tomorrow's Dream"). Any takers? Any opinions? -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Fri Oct 12 09:56:04 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 09:31:00 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Moorcock-inspired Comic Books X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller (regarding Michael Moorcock-inspired works...) > > A couple years ago, (when I had money burning in my pockets!), I > collected a small amount of comic books. Among these were some nice looking > renditions of some of the Eternal Champions : Elric, Hawkmoon, Corum. > (There may be others too.) > > these are published by First Comics. > > I think I've seen the graphic novel format of each book also (Elric). > It's been some time since this circulated, but better late than never, right? Around 1985 or 1986, the original comics adaptations of the first Elric novel appeared, complete with P. Craig Russel's absolutely stunning artwork. These were published by Pacific Comics, which doesn't exist any longer, so these are out of print. I don't know if First bought the rights to publish these books or not. However, if you love Moorcock and Elric as I do, you would definitely find it worthwhile to track these down. I don't have a current Overstreet with me, so I don't really know how much they're worth. Try a local comics convention or specialty shop. First Comics was supposed to continue adapting Moorcock's works after the then-current adaptations were finished. That was a year ago or so, and I haven't seen any new Moorcock comics since. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Oct 12 10:02:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 11:19:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: SONG LIST ON ACID DAZE VOL 1 To: Dieter Muller >>From: Dieter Muller ..... >>All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me >>wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find >>is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, >>released in 1985. The song list on it: >> >> High Rise >> British Tribal Music >> Spirit Of The Age >> Urban Guerilla >> Masters Of The Universe >> World Of Tiers >> Who's Gonna Win The War >> Ghost Dance > >This is the same song list as on "Hawkwind Anthology Vol.I 1977-1982" >put out on Samurai records (SAMR 038). And let me add that id Acid Daze is as poorly mixed and engineered as Anthology, then toss it in the dumpster. :-) Among those sngs, what you have is a pretty quirky little collection of tunes, pretty much unrelated, from vastly different eras. Hawkwind has been around for something like 25 years or more, and they have had about as many different sounds as they have had albums. I have two of the songs on the collection on the studio album "Levitation". That album is digitally recorded, and sounds -wonderful-. The version of those same songs on "Anthology" sounds like ummm... waste product. :-) "Who's Gonna Win The War" is an eerie, heavy tune in much the same style as Blue Oyster Cult's "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars". It is in some ways both more ethereal, -and- heavier... World of Tiers is a wild, driving instrumental with guitar work that sounds like a dive-bomber attack. I -love- that song, it was the first piece of Huw Lloyd-Langton guitar work I ever heard. It has a spacey synthesizer intrumental in the middle, done by Tim Blake of Gong, which is about as neat-o as synths get. :-) The other stuff is from earlier albums, which other people would be much more informed about than I. I live in the U.S., where finding a Hawkwind CD is like trying to find a Quark in your attic. :-) If you happen to be a Moorcock fan, I can't recommend Live Chronicles enough. That album captures the "feel" of Moorcock's Elric books better than ANY other music I've heard. Certainly more so than BOC's Black Blade, which, while it is a great rock tune, doesn't nearly capture the atmosphere of the novels like Hawkwind's "Moonglum" or "The Sea King" do... (I'm speaking musically, not lyrically, here, I -know- who wrote the lyrics to Black Blade... :-) ----------------------- To whoever asked about Moody Blues/Black Sabbath. They're both imaginitve rock as far as I'm concerned. If you "ADD" the discographies/lyrics, I'll make 'em available from this account. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 12:48:42 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 18:19:32 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: BOC Post: Guest performers on Imaginos X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 8, 90 11:57 pm Steve, our Humble Moderator :) asks: > Does anybody recognise any of the other guitar players in > "The Guitar Orchestra Of The State Of Imaginos"? :-) > If you don't own a copy of Imaginos, then > 1.) shame on you :-) > 2.) here's the list of guests: > Guitar: Marc Biedermann > Kevin Carlson Marc Biedermann was with Blind Illusion before they folded. For those of you who don't know (what?), Blind Illusion were a Bay Area thrash band which (and here's the novelty:) DIDN'T SOUND LIKE A BAY AREA THRASH BAND!!! They recorded one full length album, called "The Sane Asylum", but this is not to say they were a fly-by-night act. In fact, BI had been active on the Bay Area scene since pretty much from the beginning (e.g. like their contemporaries Metallica, Exodus, etc.) Personally I liked "The Sane Asylum" a lot (and, having been prompted by Steve's posting, listened to it again after having not heard it in ages, and found that I still like it:). When it was released (circa 1987/88) it sounded extremely fresh in a thrash scene which had gotten bogged down in an obsession with excessive speed and cheap shock value lyrics. "The Sane Asylum" has a weird quality about it, both lyrically and (to a larger extent) musically, yet still manages to kick severe ass in the process. Worth checking out IMHO. Anyway, I read somewhere that whilst BI were recording their album, work was being done on "Imaginos" (still a solo project at that time I think) in the same recording studio (in a more expensive part of the studio of course:). As a result, Marc Biedermann and possibly another BI member whose name I can't remember offhand---maybe it was Kevin Carlson; the name rings a bell---were asked if they'd do some guitar work for "Imaginos". He (they) did, and the rest, as they say, is history. I'll try and dig out the interview where I read this and verify the details. Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 12:50:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 19:01:54 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "Stuart Hungerford" at Oct 12, 90 10:21 am Stuart Hungerford writes: > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind > collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought > I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. > > Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's > is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? Ok, so I'll come clean and admit that I don't actually own a CD player (perish the thought!:), so this is probably not relevant to Stuart, but anyway... In the UK, Castle Communications are re-releasing a lot of old 70's stuff, including some HW material. I presume they are releasing on CD as well as vinyl. A particularly lucrative proposition is their "double value" (or whatever) series which features two choice albums by a band in a double album sleeve but at roughly the cost of a single album. The kicker for me is that the one they do for HW is "Levitation" paired with "Live Seventy Nine". I remember I was pretty cheesed off at the time when I saw this as _LSN_ is one of my all-time favourite HW albums and I'd just recently gotten a copy of it as a US import (believe that if you can Steve:) after having searched high and low for it for years. My copy of _LSN_ cost more than the double album set too. (At least it's in the original sleeve...:) Still, I'm not sure if I'd recommend buying HW collections. I'd much rather listen to a live album like _Live Seventy Nine_, _Live Chronicles_, or _Space Ritual_ than a collection because I have found that the HW collections are of such uneven quality. The early live recordings that surface on compilations are usually very sludgy, and the compilation process seems pretty slap-dash in a lot of cases, especially on the ones put out by Flicknife (e.g. ends of songs being truncated etc.). I haven't yet seen a HW compilation album which bears the halmark of having been lovingly put together. All the ones I've heard have sounded like they've been thrown together and that selling the album is more a motive than presenting HW in as best a light possible. (As an aside, I've heard that the recent BOC compilation album "Career of Evil" is pretty much a cash-in sort of affair.) No, the best way to experience HW is to buy some of their "proper" albums. The live ones give a good selection of songs (albeit performed at the same "phase" in the band's career). Failing that, just start replacing your favourite vinyl ones at a rate you can afford. In my experience, the compilations are not worth shelling out for, especially if you already have some HW on vinyl. I hardly listen to the HW anthologies I have. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Anyone offer a different opinion? (Certainly I would be *very* glad to hear of a good HW collection, because then *I* could buy it and recommend it to friends who want to get into HW.) Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Cheers, Paul. >From dworkin Fri Oct 12 12:57:24 1990 To: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L In-reply-to: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 12 Oct 90 19:01:54 BST <9010121807.AA29789@uunet.uu.net> Subject: Career of Evil : (As an aside, I've heard that the recent BOC compilation album "Career : of Evil" is pretty much a cash-in sort of affair.) It's pretty obvious the band didn't have a lot to do with it. The song list is generally stuff I liked anyway, so there's no real complaint there. *But*, they're all straight off of previous albums. I was kind of hoping for different versions of the songs, especially the live ones (about a 50-50 mix). Since I can't really afford to go buy lots of CDs of stuff I've already got on vinyl (CDs at work, vinyl at home), it was a reasonable purchase. However, if you've got the albums already, and have a tape deck at work, don't bother w/ CoE. Dworkin Imagine life with OS/360 the standard operating system. Now think about X. -Henry Spencer dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 (1000 - 1800 Mountain) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 13:58:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 20:27:24 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Miscellaneous... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 12, 90 11:19 am >> High Rise >> British Tribal Music >> Spirit Of The Age >> Urban Guerilla >> Masters Of The Universe >> World Of Tiers >> Who's Gonna Win The War >> Ghost Dance [...] > And let me add that id Acid Daze is as poorly mixed and engineered as > Anthology, then toss it in the dumpster. :-) > > Among those sngs, what you have is a pretty quirky little collection > of tunes, pretty much unrelated, from vastly different eras. Hawkwind > has been around for something like 25 years or more, and they have had > about as many different sounds as they have had albums. I have two of > the songs on the collection on the studio album "Levitation". That album > is digitally recorded, and sounds -wonderful-. The version of those > same songs on "Anthology" sounds like ummm... waste product. :-) I agree. As I've said in another posting, most Hawkwind collections seem to be just thrown together (to sell product?) rather than lovingly crafted. A better way of experiencing Hawkwind would be to sample an album from one of their different periods and also take in some live albums. I would suggest "Doremi Fasol Latido", as a studio album from their earlier period (or "In Search Of Space" which is much easier to get a hold of), and "Space Ritual" as a live album from that same period. Then something like "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" to sample the "Calvert" era (remembering to turn "Hassan I Sabha" up full blast:), with "Live Seventy Nine" providing the live stuff, and then something like "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" for more contemporary material with "Live Chronicles" or "Stonehenge (This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic)" fulfilling the live side of things. One thing to keep in mind with Hawkwind though is that they are *weird* (you just have to listen to "Flying Doctor" on the "25 Years On" album and the bulk of the "Warrior on the Edge of Time" album for example to see what I mean:). If you are at all put off by weirdness then you probably will not take to Hawkwind. (BTW: I agree with Steve, "Levitation" does sound wonderful IMHO.) > "Who's Gonna Win The War" is an eerie, heavy tune in much the same style > as Blue Oyster Cult's "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars". It is in some ways > both more ethereal, -and- heavier... You should check out the version of "Who's Gonna Win The War" on the "Independent Days" 10" mini LP. (The version which was released as a single.) Talk about heavy!! The bass on that version is real trouser-flapping stuff. (In case of sonic attack on your district...:) > World of Tiers is a wild, driving > instrumental with guitar work that sounds like a dive-bomber attack. I > -love- that song, it was the first piece of Huw Lloyd-Langton guitar work > I ever heard. It has a spacey synthesizer intrumental in the middle, > done by Tim Blake of Gong, which is about as neat-o as synths get. :-) I like the drumming on the "Levitation" album a lot too. It has a certain sense of complexity about it, especially on "World of Tiers". Ginger Baker, if I'm not mistaken. On of the trademarks of HW, IMHO, is their ability to weave in and utilise synths and audio generators in their music. I think this is what gives HW their "Space Rock" tag, and well deserved too. The best thing is the way it seems to *blend* into the music---to augment it rather than dominate it, becoming an intrinsic part yet one in its proper place. > The other stuff is from earlier albums, which other people would be much > more informed about than I. I live in the U.S., where finding a Hawkwind > CD is like trying to find a Quark in your attic. :-) Ah, but you should try finding BOC albums over here... :-) Ok, I haven't heard this particular compilation so I don't know which precise versions these are having heard them elsewhere, here goes... "Ghost Dance", and "British Tribal Music" are rather weird "instrumentals" and are reasonably contemporary. "High Rise" is off the "P.X.R. 5" album (the album whose cover had to be re-done because it was deemed too dangerous) and is from the "Calvert" era. If you listen to the lyrics, they're actually a scathing attack (if I recall the song correctly) on the disasterous sixties housing policies which gave rise to the "slums on stilts" blocks of flats which are so much trouble today. "Urban Guerilla" is another Calvert track and was actually banned by the BBC when released as a single. (It had the misfortune to be released at the same time as the Munich Olympics terrorist incident.) There is a stomping live version of this on the "British Tribal Music" compilation which is well worth a listen. "Master Of The Universe" is *the* classic HW track (alongside the likes of "Brainstorm", "Angels of Death", etc.) which should be in every HW fan's collection. This track goes down a storm live and is one of those tracks which can easily be improvised on and jammed off. A real driving beat. "Spirit of the Age" is another track from the "Calvert" era. The version from "Live Seventy Nine" is one of my all-time favourite HW tracks (I prefer it to the version on "Quark, Strangeness and Charm"). The metallic tinge to Dave's vocals gives the track that extra impersonal edge which serves to heighten the impact of the lyrics (as does Dave's rather deadpan delivery:) which, for those who haven't heard it, describe a rather dystopian future; a sort of technology gone awry which puts me in mind of Philip K. Dick every time I listen to it. (What more recommendation do you need?:) > ----------------------- > > To whoever asked about Moody Blues/Black Sabbath. They're both imaginitve > rock as far as I'm concerned. If you "ADD" the discographies/lyrics, > I'll make 'em available from this account. I've been meaning to ask about this myself. What exactly do we mean by "imaginative rock"? Whilst we're throwing names about, would Voivod and Mekong Delta, for example, fit the description? I don't want to harp on about bands if they're not pertinent to the subject matter of the list. By "imaginative" do we mean lyrically or musically? For example, I would consider the work of Jimi Hendrix as highly "imaginative" from a musical standpoint, especially viewed in context (though personally I think his work still stands up today). Or by "imaginative" do we mean the lyrical themes in the music? If so, what themes are considered imaginative? SF & fantasy? Or anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of "street-music" into the discussion)? Or is this "imaginative" aspect something which is indescribable and something which we will simply recognise when we see it? Something unknowable?... :) Enquiring minds want to know. Cheers, Paul. PS: Anyone know why the lyrics server at umass isn't working at the moment? "Your android replica is playing up again and it's no joke..." --- Hawkwind, "Spirit of the Age" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Oct 12 17:12:23 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 17:28:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Miscellaneous... To: Dieter Muller Paul Mather (quite reasonably :-) asks: >I've been meaning to ask about this myself. What exactly do we mean >by "imaginative rock"? Well, from the list description on the server, here is what "we" :-) mean by that: * Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List * ...[irrelevant stuff deleted].... * * This group is for the discussion of imaginitive rock music in * general, as exemplified by such bands as Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, * Rainbow, and any music which has its basis in science fiction * or fantasy literature, mysticism or the occult. * >By "imaginative" do we mean lyrically or musically? Lyrically. Getting into abstruse musical forms because they're intellectually interesting is beyond the scope of what I had in mind. >anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of >"street-music" into the discussion)? No, I was planning on concentrating on stuff that has an element of the the fantastic or the mystical. No politics or social propaganda, please, this is about stuff of the imagination... :-) By the way, most metal is -not- what I would call imaginitive rock. A thrash band that sings (?) - Satan comes! Death bringer! Rends life! Evil of war! Naughty naughty! This is decent stuff if you wanna mosh, but there's not much there "talk about". And entirely apart from that, there's already a newsgroup devoted to it. I created this list with the idea of talking about those bands that have a lot to be said about them, but no forum for saying it. So here we all are. :-) One last point about metal; "Dio"-type metal is the exception to the rule above, with his dreamscapes and fantastical imagery. If there are other people doing stuff like that, I'd like to know about them. I rather think Metal Church falls under that category also, at least before their principal songwriter and vocalist split... So thrash in general isn't a no-no, just DUMB thrash bands who think that shouting "Satan" makes them deep. :-) >PS: Anyone know why the lyrics server at umass isn't working at the >moment? "It's dead, Jim..." Legal problems about lyric copyrights is what I heard. Uh, oh... ;-) - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Sat Oct 13 17:49:09 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 90 18:00:51 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Miscellaneous... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 12, 90 5:28 pm > >anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of > >"street-music" into the discussion)? > > No, I was planning on concentrating on stuff that has an element of the > the fantastic or the mystical. No politics or social propaganda, > please, this is about stuff of the imagination... :-) A tad harsh... :) My main objection against admitting "street-music" into the discussion is that it is the sort of topic (i.e. politics) that nobody ever agrees on and tends to generate more heat than light with people shouting "I am right, you are wrong!" from pretty much entrenched positions. (It's not that I'm against such discussion, it's just that in my experience it tends to act as a magnet for flamers.) Of course, this could just be the opinion of a hopeless cynic and pessimist... :) > One last point about metal; "Dio"-type metal is the exception to the rule > above, with his dreamscapes and fantastical imagery. If there are other > people doing stuff like that, I'd like to know about them. I rather > think Metal Church falls under that category also, at least before their > principal songwriter and vocalist split... So thrash in general isn't > a no-no, just DUMB thrash bands who think that shouting "Satan" makes them > deep. :-) Ah, you anticipated my followup... :-) Yes, the problem about discussing music with fantastic or occult themes is that it admits a lot of throwaway Death Metal and retrograde thrash bands who refuse to grow up and learn how to write good lyrics (just MHO folks). Mostly these bands just put out a load of "Book of Revelations" nonsense and cheap shock-value gore stuff designed to offend (and identify the band with a particular genre). I agree that there's not much to discuss there (unless you're a theologian interested in the accuracy of the "Book of Revelations" type songs:). And unless you're a fan of slasher and gore films, there's not much meat in the likes of Death's "Scream Bloody Gore" or the latest Cannibal Corpse album. :-) However, I wouldn't like to rule out the death/thrash/metal genre altogether as there is some good stuff to be unearthed (IMHO). For instance, Sabbat's "History of a Time to Come" album contains some excellent lyrics, as does their followup "Dreamweaver", who's tracks link to form a story (pity they decided to go for hyper speed in the music though). Also notable is King Diamond's "Them" which can best be described as a horror story on vinyl. (Anyone heard the sequel "Conspiracy" and like to comment?). And then there's Warfare's "Hammer Horror" (a tribute to the work of the great British studio, produced in collaboration with them), and the work of Candlemass, and the Lovecraftian tracks on Mekong Delta's "The Music of Erich Zann" album. The list could go on and on... But unfortunately I can't because I must go now... :-) All the best, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Sun Oct 14 20:27:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 10:13:42 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010121804.AA27268@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Oct 12, 90 7:01 pm Paul Mather says: > > Stuart Hungerford writes: > > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind > > collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought > > I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. > > > > Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's > > is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? > > Ok, so I'll come clean and admit that I don't actually own a CD player > (perish the thought!:), so this is probably not relevant to Stuart, > but anyway... They say confession is good for the soul - I don't own one either! But my friends do :-) > No, the best way to experience HW is to buy some of their "proper" > albums. The live ones give a good selection of songs (albeit > performed at the same "phase" in the band's career). Failing that, > just start replacing your favourite vinyl ones at a rate you can > afford. In my experience, the compilations are not worth shelling out Sounds like good advice. Now which one should I replace first? Methinks _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ > Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. > Not wasted from my point of view! Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Sun Oct 14 20:28:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 10:19:15 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Miscellaneous... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010121930.AA27333@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Oct 12, 90 8:27 pm Paul Mather says: > > [...] > with Hawkwind though is that they are *weird* (you just have to listen > to "Flying Doctor" on the "25 Years On" album and the bulk of the As an Australian I've always been able to relate to that song - not that I know any Doctors hooked on their own drugs who perform operations with salted meat cans but I've always appreciated the satire ;) > [...] > "instrumentals" and are reasonably contemporary. "High Rise" is off > the "P.X.R. 5" album (the album whose cover had to be re-done because > it was deemed too dangerous) and is from the "Calvert" era. If you > listen to the lyrics, they're actually a scathing attack (if I recall > the song correctly) on the disasterous sixties housing policies which > gave rise to the "slums on stilts" blocks of flats which are so much > trouble today. > That's interesting - I always thought that song was inspired by the SF book of the same name. Your theory sounds better. BTW what was on the original P.X.R. 5 cover and why does it have "this is the last but one" on the liner notes? > [...] Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wilson%ucf.edu%RELAY.CS.NET Mon Oct 15 09:21:47 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 90 23:46:13 -0400 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Using the SUBJECT line X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU To: Dieter Muller What started out as a BOC discussion group and then a Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List has become more of a Hawkwind discussion group. Could you all please include what group you are talking about in the SUBJECT line so that those who have no interest do not have to read them. I don't want to try to limit what anyone posts, only what I have to read. Don't assume every reader has a mega-fast terminal that can whip through unwanted material. I'm sure others will appreciate it as well. Thanks. Tom P.S. What I am referring to is subjects that start out "Miscellaneous" but receive many replies concerning one topic and are no longer miscellaneous. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mwm%SWLVX6.MSD.RAY.COM Mon Oct 15 10:30:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 11:14:53 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: mwm Subject: The decline in popularity of BOC X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Hi people, Would anyone care to speculate on what exactly happened to affect the popularity of BOC between the space of Fire of... and Revolution by... It was a grave dissapointment for me to see BOC delegated to playing small venues after Rev. by Night came out. (Although I was totally psyched to be able to see them at a small club! Got some great pix!!!) IMHO Rev. by Night was a great album, "Dancing in the Ruins" should have been the successor to the "Burning for You" single and BOC should have been playing arena dates. Was it MTV that killed BOC? Enquiring minds want to know. What do you say we get the lyrics to Rev. by Night together. I never have been able to figure most of them out. Speaking of MTV, what BOC videos has anyone seen? I can remember the following: Burning for You: what a dissapointment. Shooting Shark: much better, too bad it didn't catch on. Dancin' in the Ruins: cool video, too bad I only saw it twice. Any others out there (excluding live footage)? Anyone have BOC captured on videotape? I used to have the stuff from Don Kirschner's Rock Concert and the Black and Blue video, but thier history. I'd love to get whatever I could on VHS. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? *Mark Marino * The old ranger weathered the storm and he topped the *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * rise by the middle of morn. He saw rippled dunes, *Raytheon Co. * calm and surreal, and a glint of a solitary shaft of *Tewksbury, MA * chromium steel. The Golden Age of Leather >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tex%BSU-CS.BSU.EDU Tue Oct 16 10:11:35 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 90 05:56:34 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Buck Dharma @ Club Ninja" Subject: Re: The decline in popularity of BOC X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I have seen a video of "Take Me Away" that was cool as HELL! I only saw it once but in the video was thier ME-105. The video started out as the display of an OLD Apple Computer game called "Star Blazer." I saw t his right at the time the Rev by Night first came out. BTW: It was right after a REALLY neat video by Aldo Nova, "Monkey"(er something like that) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Tue Oct 16 14:28:26 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 90 14:30:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: General Intro To: Dieter Muller Hello! Since new people are subscribing to the list directly on the list server, I am going to post this once in a while, until I get around to setting up some sort of automatic INTRO file for people who sign up. Are any of you sufficiently knowledgeable Bitnet hacks to tell me how to do that? I have other things I'd like to set up, like making the stuff listed below available directly through the list server. So if anyone could help with that, I'd appreciate it. First of all: Here's what's available from the Imaginitive Rock Discussion Group This list last revised: 10/15/90 ------------------------------- How to fetch them: DISC LYRICS Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album. "DISC *", or "LYRICS *" are acceptable, but be warned that it will cause a deluge of mail. :-] Discographies: -------------- BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [getting there, getting there...] Rainbow [almost complete] Lyrics: ------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [all songs] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation [all songs] 1974 Secret Treaties [all songs] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [all songs] 1977 Spectres [all songs] 1979 Mirrors [all songs] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Deadline [slightly incomplete] The Marshall Plan [slightly incomplete] Hungry Boys Divine Wind [slightly incomplete] Fallen Angel [incomplete] Lips In The Hills [almost complete] Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Vengeance (The Pact) Joan Crawford 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] Coming Attractions: Lyrics to The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Hawkwind) Dio discography Lyrics to Heaven & Hell (Black Sabbath) ------------------------------------------ End of list. Now, here's a couple of other things: if you want to -contribute- something (lyrics, discographies, etc. That's how we got all the stuff we have available now!), then mail it to the same (v061q3x6) address, and make the "Subject:" line "ADD". We're especially in need of people who are good at figuring out lyrics. About a half dozen of us have been filling in the gaps in the albums listed above. If you think you can help, get in touch with me by mail. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jsp%PENGUIN.KEY.COM Tue Oct 16 14:28:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 90 09:06:00 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: BOC videos X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Am I the only one who has seen the video of "Joan Crawford"? One of those late night shows showed it during an interview with a couple of the band members (Eric and Alan, I think), and they said that MTV had refused to show it because of its "controversial" images involved Catholic schoolgirls. The video was kind of weird (I don't really remember much about it; it was a long time ago), but I'm sure it was pretty tame compared to almost anything by Madonna. I think I actually taped it, but then decided not to keep it. :-( --James Preston >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Thu Oct 18 09:25:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 90 14:28:32 +0200 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: HW's PXR5 (Was: Miscellaneous...) To: Dieter Muller Stuart Hungerford asks: SH> BTW what was on the original P.X.R. 5 cover and why does it have "this SH> is the last but one" on the liner notes? Yes, someone tell what was wrong with the original cover! About the 'this is..' I can say that if I remember right, at that time Dave Brock was very tired of HW and decided to end it. As we all know they soon started again as Hawklords and then changed back to HW. This is nothing compared to a band called Pink Fairies (sometimes in the past united with HW under the name of Pinkwind) who have split and comebacked about a dozen of times. Anybody heard of Pink Fairies? // niko >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Sat Oct 20 18:08:43 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 90 16:11:05 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: BOC & HW questions. X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I saw at a local record store, HawkWind's Antholy Volume I. I have never heard anything by HawkWind, but I'd like to. What are people's opinions of this album. I understand that people don't seem to like the live albums as much, but how would they be for someone who's never heard them before? Also, what type of music is it? Is there any bands you could compare them to? About BOc, I was wondering - who decided to name the album "The Metal Years"? Did anyone else think it strange that songs like Don't Fear The Reaper and We Gotta Get Out of This Place were on the album? I never considered these metal. Is my idea of "metal" more strict that most, or what? Just curious. BTW, I'm starting to work on deciphering lyrics to Rainbow, starting with the first album. If anyone has the lyrics to any Rainbow albums, I'd appreciate it. It would make it much easier on me. Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Sat Oct 20 18:09:18 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 08:46:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: RE: BOC & HW questions. X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >I saw at a local record store, HawkWind's Antholy Volume I. I have never >heard anything by HawkWind, but I'd like to. What are people's opinions of >this album. I understand that people don't seem to like the live albums as >much, but how would they be for someone who's never heard them before? > Not a good place to start. Not live, but poor quality. You can classify Hawkwind in one category of music. They've done blues, acid rock, heavy metal, pre-punk, new wave, synth rock, etc... >BTW, I'm starting to work on deciphering lyrics to Rainbow, starting with the >first album. If anyone has the lyrics to any Rainbow albums, I'd appreciate >it. It would make it much easier on me. > I've given the moderator the lyrics to "Bent Out of Shape". On all the albums starting with "Difficult to Cure", the lyrics are on them, but I don't the other ones typed in. Also, the first album has the lyrics to 16th Century Greensleves on it. If you have cassette, you may not have these. ================================================================================ Billy Barron Bitnet : BILLY@UNTVAX VAX system manager THENET : NTVAX::BILLY University of North Texas Internet : billy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu SPAN : UTSPAN::UTADNX::NTVAX::BILLY ================================================================================ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Sat Oct 20 18:09:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 11:00:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: BOC's successors? To: Dieter Muller Has anybody heard of a band called "Masters Of Reality"? The reason I ask is because it sounds to me like they are the most likely (maybe the ONLY) candidates to be BOC's successsors in the science-fiction/fantasy hard rock genre. I heard an album of theirs on the radio one night about 4 or 5 months ago. I had fallen asleep, and I remember waking up to the sound of the same sort of mad scientist/sorcerous/philosophical type of lyrics that I always associate with BOC. The music was really "different" too, meaning it couldn't just be categorized as generic hard rock or metal or anything, it was hard edged, but with unexpected chord changes and interesting rythm patterns. All in all, from what I remember of it, it sounded like a good next place to look for those of us who already have the whole BOC catalog. :-) I don't recall the actual name of the album, though I remember the band mentioning that it was their debut (self-titled, maybe?) Has anybody seen it (or better, heard it)? Comments? Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Sat Oct 20 18:11:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 13:59:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: HW (Don't read this, Tom :-) To: Dieter Muller >>I saw at a local record store, HawkWind's Antholy Volume I. I have never >>heard anything by HawkWind, but I'd like to. What are people's opinions of >>this album. I understand that people don't seem to like the live albums as >>much, but how would they be for someone who's never heard them before? Bad, bad, and bad I'm afraid. :-) The "Anthology" series of albums almost discouraged me from pursuing Hawkwind. Between them and "Live '70/'73", I thought "this band must record their albums on a Walkman". :-) Here, listen to Billy: >Not a good place to start. Not live, but poor quality. You can classify "Can't", I think he meant ^^^ :-) >Hawkwind in one category of music. They've done blues, acid rock, heavy >metal, pre-punk, new wave, synth rock, etc... Fortunately for me, the next album I bought (to give the group one last chance, essentially) was Levitation. Extraordinary. Digitally recorded, halfway between heavy metal and space rock. I recommend it as a good starting point for someone trying to get into Hawkwind... It has Huw Lloyd-Langton on guitar, one of my three faves, up there w/ Buck Dharma and Tomy Iommi. Ginger Baker (remember Cream?) on drums. Tim Blake (Gong) on synths. Like I said, it's "Extraordinary". Now all the "old" Hawkwind fans have carte blanche to berate me for not recommending "Quark Strangeness And Charm", or "Doremi Fasolatido". :-) Steve BVM.cc.buffalo.edu!borellms%CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU Sat Oct 20 18:14:19 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 15:45:22 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Mike Borella Subject: Masters of Reality & new HW X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller 1) Masters of Reality is a Syracuse NY based band. The *do* sound like BOC to an extent, but personally, I've tried to listen to them several times and I just can't get into them. Their music does have a wide variety of sounds, but I only like one song - The Blue Garden (probably the most BOCish on the album. Even though I don't particularly care for them, so readers of this group might, so if you have some money burning a hole in your pocket, go for it. 2) I got the new HW yesterday. First Impression - Space Bandits is an excellent album! (Important note - it *is* a domestic release, so don't spend more than $16 on the disk!!!) Bridgett Wishart's vocals fits the band perfectly. She only sings on 3 or 4 songs, but her voice is good. Dave Brock sings on a couple others, and he is great as always. I was a bit surprised to find the first song "Images" is 10 minutes long. As always, they mix things up, with ample sound effects and some general "weirdness". There are a couple songs that are metal-ish (Images has a semi-punk feel). Overall, it's great. If it means anything, I've listened to it 5 times in the last 24 hours! Just to give you a frame of reference, my favorite HW is "Chronicle...", "Xenon Codex", "Levitation", and "Warrior...". I know this review is a bit schizo, but I don't have the disk in front of me to refer to. Feel free to e-mail me w/questions. In short: Run, don't walk, to the store and grab it!!! Mike >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Sat Oct 20 18:14:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 15:20:35 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: HW X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Thanks for the info - that explains why there are two copies of the album in the used CD's, but none of the others. PS - Who the H*ell is Tommi Iommi? I know the name, but can't place the band. Dean C. Wagner Did you ever wonder why we had to run dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu for shelter with the promise of a wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu brave new world unfurled beneath the cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu clear blue sky - Pink Floyd Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and the Knights who say "Ni!" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Sat Oct 20 18:15:42 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 13:56:29 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Soft White Underbelly origins X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Soft White Underbelly (how to teach an old fart new tricks) Okay folks, here's your chance to give an old-timer a lesson. All this BOC discussion has brought back fond memories, and has mentally taken me back about 15 years (when my BOC LPs were just getting their first pops and hisses). - Soft White Underbelly - I know BOC toured clubs using this name, but I've also heard many rumors about the origin of the name and whether it was their name before BOC. Any substantial information on the origin and significance? BTW, they were great in the small club. No lasers, though :^(. Also, any good BOC biographies that you are aware of? Phil (with the aid of my cold, cold stare) Nielsen "Look, Buck, it's Godzilla on a stick!", Sacramento, 1979 (?) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Sat Oct 20 18:18:21 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 16:26:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: Hawkwind anthology v1 To: Dieter Muller Hey Steve, what company released the version of Hawkwind Anthology v.1 that u have? My copy was released by Samurai records SAMR 038, and the quality of the recording sounds find to me except on Masters of the universe, that sounds a little mushy. The only other problem i see with the album as a whole, is that is sounds like someone spliced some tapes together, because the ending and begining of some songs is kind of abrupt,especially on side 1. if the quality of the recording of the entire copy of the album you have sucks, then maybe it was a bad batch that made it through lousy quality control. Thats what you get from independent labels. - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Sat Oct 20 18:18:38 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 17:38:48 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Masters Of Reality X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010191555.AA29289@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET" at Oct 19, 90 11:00 am > > Has anybody heard of a band called "Masters Of Reality"? The reason I ask > Yeah, they used to play MoR a LOT on KNAC 105.5fm (the metal/"Pure Rock" station) in Southern California before I moved to NC (in June). I don't have any albums (yet), but I plan on getting MoR. The only song I can name is "Candy Girl," which is excellent. I believe there's a corresponding video as well. All in all, MoR gets my thumbs up... -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Sat Oct 20 18:18:52 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 17:44:54 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Re: Tony Iommi X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010192025.AA05335@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "Dean Wagner" at Oct 19, 90 3:20 pm > > PS - Who the H*ell is Tommi Iommi? I know the name, but can't place the band. > Tony Iommi was and is the guitarist for Black Sabbath. The last BS album I have is "Born Again," with Ian Gillian (sp?) of Deep Purple fame on vocals. This was just before Ian got back together with Blackmore and Purple to record Perfect Strangers. I think Born Again is absolutely amazing, one of the most heavy-edged and metallic of Sabbath's albums, although not at all like the original Ozzy sound. Does anyone have an opinion of the post-BA Sabbath albums? I've heard one or two songs, but they were pretty weak. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Sat Oct 20 18:20:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 23:39:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: The decline in popularity of BOC To: Dieter Muller > Would anyone care to speculate on what exactly happened to affect the >popularity of BOC between the space of Fire of... and Revolution by... Yeah, it's really pretty simple - they took TOO LONG to release RbN, and they lost the momentum of their success. I think that's been the story of their whole career. :-) > What do you say we get the lyrics to Rev. by Night together. I never have >been able to figure most of them out. What say you start, and we'll help you? yHM has been working his fingers to the bone getting together an archive of lyrics. (everybody in unison now: "Awwwwwwwww....") :-) Just to show you, though, here's an update of what we have (this is just the current version of the "LIST" file): Here's what's available from the Imaginitive Rock Discussion Group This list last revised: 10/19/90 ------------------------------- How to fetch them: DISC LYRICS Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album. "DISC *", or "LYRICS *" are acceptable, but be warned that it will cause a deluge of mail. :-] Discographies: -------------- BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [getting there, getting there...] Rainbow [almost complete] Dio [from Elf to Black Sabbath so far - need solo stuff] Lyrics: Hawkwind -------- 1985 Chronicle Of The Black Sword Song Of The Swords Dragons And Fables The Sea King Zarozinia Needle Gun [2 songs I don't know the titles of] Horn Of Destiny Blue Oyster Cult ---------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [all songs] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation [all songs] 1974 Secret Treaties [all songs] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [all songs] 1977 Spectres [all songs] 1979 Mirrors [all songs] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Deadline [slightly incomplete] The Marshall Plan [slightly incomplete] Hungry Boys Divine Wind [slightly incomplete] Fallen Angel [incomplete] Lips In The Hills [almost complete] Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Vengeance (The Pact) Joan Crawford 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] Black Sabbath (all old Sabbath ('69-'72) in one file: LYRICS Old Sabbath) ------------- 1969 Black Sabbath Black Sabbath The Wizard Warning Wicked World 1970 Paranoid War Pigs Fairies Wear Boots 1972 Vol. 4 Tomorrow's Dream Changes 1981 Heaven And Hell Neon Knights Children Of The Sea Lady Evil Heaven And Hell Rainbow ------- 19?? Bent Out Of Shape [all songs] Coming Attractions: I dunno, whatever I think of next... :-) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Sun Oct 21 19:06:04 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 90 14:41:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: RE: BOC's successors? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >Has anybody heard of a band called "Masters Of Reality"? > Yes, I have their tape called "Masters of Reality". I like the tape. However, I divide their music into two parts. The first part is their trashy "love songs" (they are not love songs in the traditional def. but people who know the album know what I am talking about - songs like "The Candy Song" and "Magical Spell"). I wish they would avoid this sort of song because their lyrics are terrible. A typical example: "Sugar Girl, Wanna Piece of that Stuff". Trust me that it gets worse (this example was on the inside cover). The other stuff is really good (examples: "Domino", "Lookin to Get Rite", "John Brown", "Kill the King"). Fortunately, it is good enough to drown out the bad parts. Some of the stuff is BOC's successor material (e.g. "Domino"), but the majority isn't (from a genre standpoint). The band is worth a listen and the tape is worth owning. They are good, but no BOC. Billy >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Sun Oct 21 19:06:35 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 90 19:45:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: Tubilah Dog X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Hi, Does anyone know anything about the band "Tubilah Dog" that appeared on the "Traveller's Aid Trust" album along with Hawkwind? I really liked their two songs, but never have been able to find any albums by them. At least not in Dallas. Thanks, Billy Barron BILLY@UNTVAX or BILLY@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!chris%PRAXIS.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 09:10:52 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 11:17:16 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: HW X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message from "V061Q3X6" of Oct 19, 90 at 1:59 pm > > >>I saw at a local record store, HawkWind's Antholy Volume I. I have never > >>heard anything by HawkWind, but I'd like to. What are people's opinions of > >>this album. I understand that people don't seem to like the live albums as > >>much, but how would they be for someone who's never heard them before? > > Bad, bad, and bad I'm afraid. :-) The "Anthology" series of albums almost > discouraged me from pursuing Hawkwind. Between them and "Live '70/'73", > I thought "this band must record their albums on a Walkman". :-) O.K. O.K. I`ve just got to agree here. All the unofficial HW albums I've heared sound like they were recorded on the stoneage equivalent of a walkman, mainly because they were!. I've was pretty wacked when I found this mailing list. A whole load of peeps discussing my two favourite bands in the last 20 years, amazing. Gods now someones asking about the Fairies! Are we in for a 70's revival or are you peeps all pushing 30something :-) --minor flame at indie labels cashing in--- I notice in the HW disc list that these "unofficial" LP are listed by the date the material was recorded. In reality they should be listed as 80's because that was when they were released. I'd guess this is because by then UA (the record label for early 70`s HW) had lost any rights (or interest?) in the material. I consider myself a follower of Hawkwind music but I don't consider many of these "unofficial" LP's worth bothering with as the quality of recording is CRAP. Now I've not heard them all but the 3 or 4 I have heard have been terrible. If any stand up to the quality of Space Ritual of Greasy Truckers then please let me know. --end--- As an aside a number of the better ones have been available as WIERD tapes from the band (cassette only) since ? including some DB solo stuff. Blah..Blah.... Blah I'll send in some info on Huw L. Langton disc later this week. As for the Fairies? When I first saw Motorhead Lemmy said what he really wanted was to be a cult band just like the Pink Fairies. >From memory: They finally split in the late 70s. They played the first Glastonbury Festival in 72? along with Hawkwind, Gong, G Dead etc and have featured Twink, Larry Wallis and Mick Farren (author and journalist) as members. Live they were a wacky mixture of acid rock (HW without the synths) and heads down street/heavy rock. On record they were slightly more mellow and even wacker at times. Check out "The Snake" and "City Kids" as examples of the Fairies at their best IMHO. Tubular Dog are from Coventry (West Midlands), and do Hawkwind numbers at the local pubs. They were support band for Hawkwind a couple of years ago. That's all I know, been long time since I lived there. Now when are we going to discuss Nektar? Nektar used to use some of Hawkwinds old lightshow gear at one point. Great band pre-Magic is a Sprog. Bob (Hawkwind Calvert) even features on one LP - here`s the thread we need. Journey to the Centre of the Eye anyone? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Jones | | | Praxis Systems plc, 20 Manvers St, BATH BA1 1PX, UK | Tel: +44 225 444700 | FAX: 225 65205 | chris%praxis.co.uk | chris%praxis.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Oct 22 09:53:33 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 11:06:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Tony Iommi To: Dieter Muller >> >> PS - Who the H*ell is Tommi Iommi? I know the name, but can't place the band . >> Egads! Did I really spell it Tommi? Folks, I think yHM must be losing it. > Tony Iommi was and is the guitarist for Black Sabbath. The last BS album Yes, thank you, THAT is the correct spelling. :-) > I think Born Again is absolutely amazing, one of the most heavy-edged and >metallic of Sabbath's albums, although not at all like the original Ozzy >sound. Does anyone have an opinion of the post-BA Sabbath albums? I've >heard one or two songs, but they were pretty weak. Well, I think Born Again is definitely the most evil-sounding metal album I know of. I like it. :-) And as a matter of fact I used that album to get one of my thrash & death metal friends into Black Sabbath. :-) The later albums -are- sort of weak, mostly because of the lyrics/singing. Tony still does some pretty neat bluesy guitar work work on them, which is why I keep my copies around. The later albums tent to be more light handed, as in some of the ballads from the Dio era (Over And Over, Slipping Away, Lonely Is The Word). Has anybody heard _Tyr_ yet? I'm afraid to plunk down money without hearing it first, especially since the last album was "Headless Cross" :-) Of course that might be a stupid reason, like not buying Imaginos because it came right after Club Ninja. (I soon discovered the error of my ways on THAT one, though! :-) So how come I can spell Huw Lloyd-Langton and Donald (Buck Dharma) Roeser without a hitch, but I can't handle a simple one like Tony Iommi? :-) - your Illiterate Moderator Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Oct 22 09:57:59 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 11:37:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Soft White Underbelly origins To: Dieter Muller >All this BOC discussion has brought back fond memories, and has >mentally taken me back about 15 years (when my BOC LPs were just >getting their first pops and hisses). Imagine getting to tell your grandchildren about those days. Or do you already have grandchildren? :-) :-) >I know BOC toured clubs using this name, but I've also heard many rumors >about the origin of the name and whether it was their name before BOC. >Any substantial information on the origin and significance? No substantive info, just more questions. Does anybody know anything about The Stalk-Forrest Group? (yes I believe there are two "r"s). I have heard the name, and those tidbits of BOC "history" in the Cultosaurus cover make me curious about it. > >BTW, they were great in the small club. No lasers, though :^(. I was wondering how they perform as SWU, especially since I -missed- my two opportunities to see them! Do they do all BOC material, or do they actually act as if they were a different band? >Also, any good BOC biographies that you are aware of? I wouldn't be surprized if Sandy Pearlman writes one someday. Or even if he writes an autobiography, I bet it would talk a LOT about BOC. Isn't there something of that sort out? I seem to remember hearing about something like that, though I am by no means certain... >Phil (with the aid of my cold, cold stare) Nielsen >"Look, Buck, it's Godzilla on a stick!", Sacramento, 1979 (?) But wait, what is the most-used line in this mailing list? "Call me Desdinova" :-) Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Tue Oct 23 10:46:09 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 22:07:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: anyone ever see any HW t-shirts? To: Dieter Muller Haw anyone out there ever seen anything resembling a possible Hawkwind T-shirt???? The only occurrence that I've seen was a sweatshirt that had only the word Hawkwind on the back in balloon lettering. This was being worn by some guy in New Zealand. - Alv >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Tue Oct 23 10:46:16 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 22:04:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: HW/Motorhead : "Lost Johnny" To: Dieter Muller Hi, In an earlier posting, Paul Mather mentioned that the song Lost Johnny appeared on both the Hawkwind album 'Hall of the Mountain Grill', and on the debut Motorhead album. What I'm wondering about, is what was the title of the debut Motorhead album? Was it 'On Parole'? One other thing : Can anyone PLEASE supply me with a Motorhead discography? Thanks a crunch _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Tue Oct 23 10:46:29 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 12:49:07 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: anyone ever see any HW t-shirts? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010230208.AA07525@lynx>; from "Alvin M. Chan" at Oct 22, 90 10:07 pm Alvin M. Chan says: > > Haw anyone out there ever seen anything resembling a possible > Hawkwind T-shirt???? The only occurrence that I've seen was a > sweatshirt that had only the word Hawkwind on the back in balloon > lettering. This was being worn by some guy in New Zealand. > > - Alv I haven't seen any T-shirts but an English friend of mine gave me a HW tour badge. Exciting huh? Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!SNURMELA%FIRIEN.BITNET Tue Oct 23 10:50:05 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 13:36:00 EET Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Sami Nurmela Subject: Re: Tony Iommi To: Dieter Muller Sorry, I should have changed the subject to 'Black Sabbath'... I have two of the post-Born Again -albums by Black Sabbath (it really should be Tony Iommi Group or something like that!) and I like neither of them. The albums are Seventh Star (-86), vocals Glenn Hughes and Eternal Idol (-87), vocals Tony Martin. BS has been lucky to have some of the GREATEST vocalists around (Ozzy, Dio & Gillan), but now on these newer albums Iommi seems to have run out of luck (or ideas ? The songs are nothing to rave about, neither). I think these albums lack power, and they are (IMHO) quite dull. The vocalists have always been a very important part of BS, and have greatly defined the band's style. Ozzy was very, well, Ozzy... :-); Dio wrote good lyrics and had a powerful voice. Gillan was excellent on Born Again, I really liked his mad screaming! I wish this third 'version' of the band had lived longer. I have not heard the latest two Sabbath albums, Headless Cross and Tyr, so I cannot comment on them. Who were the vocalists on these ? By the way, I am currently compiling a Black Sabbath discography (see alt.rock-n-roll or rec.music.misc) and would appreciate any help. I don't think I will send it to the list yet, but when it is a bit more complete, it might be available with DISC BLACK SABBATH from this list (Steve ? You have room for one more, haven't you ? :-) Greetings, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sami Nurmela 'And crawling - on the planets face Univ. of Turku, Finland some insects - called the human race SNURMELA@KONTU.UTU.FI lost in time - and lost in space NURMELA@CS.UTU.FI and in meaning' (the RHPS) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%UNTVAX.BITNET Tue Oct 23 10:50:35 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 08:09:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: HAWKWINDS NEW ALBUM To: Dieter Muller X-News: ntvaxb rec.music.misc:20450 From: cmg996@cck.cov.ac.uk (The Living Armchair) Subject:HAWKWINDS NEW ALBUM Date: 22 Oct 90 10:29:03 GMT Message-ID:<1990Oct22.102903.7988@cck.cov.ac.uk> I'll never understand Hawkwind.SPACE BANDITS is supposed to be based on the writings of 'black elk' , an indian.If so , why is it called SPACE BANDITS ?? Dave Brock is still in Hawkwind , and for this album is helped by Alan Davey on Bass, Richard Chadwick on Drums ,Havey bainbridge on keys and Simon House on violin.There's also Bridgett wishart on vocals. The 1st song called 'images' is a very poppy sounding song, which moves along at quite a pace and is fairly addictive.This is followed by 'Black elk speaks' , 5 minutes of someone jabbering on and indian drums beating away with the occasional guitar burst. Next up is 'wings' a very early Hawkwind sounding song.Then we have 'out of the shadows" , which is another fairly fast moving rock song.After this song the next three tracks barely resemble music. 'realms' is a few minutes of humming , Ship of dreams resembles nothing like music , and TV suicide is pretty much the same.These three songs would make Pink Floyd Intro's. Even Hawkwind fans may feel ripped of at buying this.I did. -- "Einstein was not a handsome # Martin-Martin Nike ,Coventry Polytechnic fellow,nobody ever called him Al# JANET:cmg996@uk.ac.coventry , he had a long moustache to # INET:cmg996%coventry.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk pull on .. It was Yellow!" - HAWKWIND >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Tue Oct 23 11:00:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 11:55:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Nektar? To: Dieter Muller Ok, Paul, Since I had no &%#@#$% idea what you were talking about, I serched the net for references, thinking I had seen mention of Nektar recently. Sure enough... Ok, I'm interested. Who the HELL are these guys? Anyone else ever heard of these guys besides the Brits on the list? :-) Steve ---------------------------------------- In article <90294.192606BDW115@psuvm.psu.edu>, BDW115@psuvm.psu.edu (Bri Bri the Honda guy) writes: |>>In article <13387@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (....What Is?....) |>>writes: |>> |>>>Also, where the hell do I find Dream Theater, Nektar, and |>>>Candlemass? ^^^^^^ |> |>Nektar are another one of those bands that are really really hard to find in |>chain record stores. Look for a store that handles imports. I went to shows |>to get mine (so far) --> Remember the Future(LP), Down to Earth(CD). The CDs |>available under the Bellaphon/Bacillus record label are : |> |>Nektar, Remember the Future, A Tab in the Ocean, Recycled, Magic is a Child, |>Down to Earth, Journey to the Centre of the Eye. |> |>I've heard most of this stuff; my fav is Remember the Future (only 'cause it |>really sounds weird, and the story is cool.) Wow! Nektar fans! I first discovered Nektar when I was 14; just about when all of their LPs went out of print (1978). It's really weird how the rise of CDs has brought about the reissue of so much music that I *never* expected to see again!! If you're looking for prime Nektar, unfortunately their best LP ( IMHO, other than _Remember the Future_, that is) is only available as a vinyl reissue. It is a double LP, all recorded live in the studio, entitled _Nektar...Sounds Like This_. I highly recommend it. Also, their two double-LP live albums (_Live in New York_ and _More Live in New York_) have been reissued vinyl-only. As for the CDs mentioned above, it should be noted that _Nektar_ is merely a compilation LP. And you missed one: _Nektar Live: Sunday Night at London Roundhouse_. It was their first live recording (side one) and a jam session (A good one -- songs, not endless jams) recorded in a studio in the middle of the night (side two). Also, their final LP, _Man in the Moon_ has not been reissued in any form, to the best of my knowledge. Then again, it was on a different label, only two original band members remained (Roye Albrighton--back after sitting out for _Magic Is a Child_ and Taff Freeman), and it sucked. I don't know of anyone importing the LP reissues of the above albums, but I have seen all of the CDs in Tower Records in DC. German's on the net can pop down to WOM or (in Munich) Saturn Hansa (much cheaper!!) for the vinyl. --John Beers ----------------------------------------- End of excerpted article. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jsp%PENGUIN.KEY.COM Tue Oct 23 13:46:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 09:57:21 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: Soft White Underbelly origins X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I've been waiting for someone more knowledgable than myself to answer this, but no one is jumping in, so I will at least contribute what I know. Soft White Underbelly is indeed a name that BOC used before BOC. Stalk Forrest Group is a name that they used before SWU. I have no idea how long they used either name, nor the origins of either (but then, I don't know the origins of Blue Oyster Cult, either). Many years ago, they started playing small clubs under the name SWU with no publicity. The idea was that only their really big fans would know that SWU was really BOC and come to see them, so it would serve as both a reward for those fans, as well as a treat for the group (i.e. a chance to play to a really loyal, appreciative audience). I knew about SWU at the time they started this, but unfortunately it was so under-publicized that I didn't hear they were here until after they'd gone. The next time they did it, it was both better publicized and pretty much common knowledge who they really were. One stupid radio station out here even announced the concert as "Blue Oyster Cult, playing as Soft White Underbelly". They played at the Kabuki in San Francisco, which is smaller than an arena, but still not quite what I would call a "small" club. Oh, and the other thing about the SWU appearances is that they played mostly the old stuff, from the first three albums; not even much from Agents. Strangely enough, however, a few years ago, they came to San Jose, as Blue Oyster Cult, but played in a _very_ small club (like a couple hundred people). Now that was a great show. Standing about three feet away from Buck and watching him play is an experience. Either the man is a great actor, or he truly, truly _loves_ playing the guitar. --James Preston >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Tue Oct 23 15:59:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 17:53:18 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Tyr (was: Tony Iommi) X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller I reviewed "Tyr" for our radio station here at CMU. I found the album very reminiscent of "Mob Rules" (with exception to the vocals; nobody sounds like Dio!). Personally, I like the first track, "Anno Mundi" and the first three tracks on Side 2 (we still use LP's at WRCT) which appear to go together. They even appear to have borrowed an orchestra for these! Some of the tracks have an Iron Maiden feel to them. The artwork on the cover is wonderful for a change. It's worth a listen, if you have the time. Can't remember the vocalist's name, though..... You know, Iron Maiden may fit into this list, but I'm not sure if anyone would be interested. My knowledge of them is limited, but I do know some of their work is quite imaginative. For example, the 15 minute "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", derived from the Samuel Taylor Coleridge work. later, marty >From dworkin Tue Oct 23 16:21:30 1990 To: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L In-reply-to: "W. Martin Schwartz"'s message of Tue, 23 Oct 90 17:53:18 EDT <9010232156.AA14613@uunet.uu.net> Subject: Iron Maiden : You know, Iron Maiden may fit into this list, but I'm not sure if : anyone would be interested. My knowledge of them is limited, but I : do know some of their work is quite imaginative. For example, the : 15 minute "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", derived from the Samuel : Taylor Coleridge work. I've been wondering if anyone else here listened to them. They've got a lot of imaginative/speculative songs, as well as a few adaptations of classics. Some highlights: Phantom Of The Opera A relatively reasonable retelling of the story, although the enunciation isn't exactly the clearest in the world. Murders In The Rue Morgue They took the Poe story, changed the villain into a human, and then told it from his point of view. ``Poetic license'', I believe it's called. Kinda like Alan Parson's ``Tales....'' The Prisoner Starts off with #2 and #6 discussing #6's role (``I am not a number, I am a free man!'' ``Haa haa haa haa haa haa haa''), apparently straight from a Prisoner episode. Unfortunately fairly standard rock song, but the idea was there. Flight Of Icarus Here's where they started getting serious about SF/fantasy/etc themes. Quest For Fire Basically, the story from the movie. To Tame A Land aka ``Dune''. Not being a Dune fan, I can't say how accurate it is, but from my little bit of knowledge, it seemed fairly close. It was to have been called ``Dune'', but apparently Herr Herbert isn't fond of rock. Back In The Village Apparently another Prisoner song, but I can't for the life of me remember this one right now. Rime Of The Ancient Mariner As mentioned by Herr Schwartz. It's pretty good. Stranger In A Strange Land Obvious. Alexander The Great Like the Man, you know? No mention of elephants that I can remember, though. Pity. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son Semi-mystic type stuff. The Prophecy More of the mystic bit. The Clairvoyant Ditto. This should be enough to get a few folks frothing, if nothing else. If there's interest, I could send in my discography (mostly complete). If anyone wants more details, I could relisten to a particular album. It's been a while for the vinyl copies (no vinyl-player at work). Dworkin Rabid Killer Weasels dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 (1000 - 1800 Mountain) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Tue Oct 23 23:54:27 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 08:27:59 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Re: Motorhead discography request X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010230207.AA24949@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "Alvin M. Chan" at Oct 22, 90 10:04 pm > Alvin Chan writes: > One other thing : Can anyone PLEASE supply me with a Motorhead > discography? > Count my YES vote for this one... I don't think ANY list server has a Motorhead discography. I have some of the later albums (i.e. Ace Of Spades, Iron Fist, Another Perfect Day, and some live stuff and an anthology or two), but no clue as to early Motorhead purchases. Any of you out there willing to post early Motorhead reviews? thanks loads... -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!chris%PRAXIS.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 09:52:53 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 10:28:11 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: Nektar? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message from "V061Q3X6" of Oct 23, 90 at 11:55 am > > Since I had no &%#@#$% idea what you were talking about, I > serched the net for references, thinking I had seen mention of Nektar > recently. Sure enough... > > Ok, I'm interested. Who the HELL are these guys? > > Anyone else ever heard of these guys besides the Brits on the > list? :-) > > Steve Ummm I seam to be missing a few postings but.. Nektar are an English band who grew to fame in Germany in the early 70's. At leat one member of the band came from Coventry (honest!). They went a bit crap when they moved to the states, although side one of Recycled recorded with Larry, Synergy Fast is absolutly brilliant. As far as I can remember their albums are Journey to the Centre of the Eye. Tab in The Ocean Remember the Future (later versions of these two have been cut about and remixed? = aren't as good. UA versions are the best. For once german pressings are the worst) Sounds Like This Live at the Roundhouse Down to Earth (with uncle Bob Calvert) Live(s) in New York Recyled Magic is a Child Yuk! errg nasty.. (last one as mentioned before) (collection) Not quite in Cron order! One of the amazing features of the band is that they managed to sound spacey on their earlier works without using synths. >From what I've heard on the net before their albums should be much easier to find in the US than here in nottheUS. Live they were visually and musically excellent (no, not like Bill and Ted!). They always used lights as part of the show, both oil-wheels and slides and the lights man was always considered part of the band. For the Down to Earth tour they had three large screens which were used to depict the story from the LP. A great band for geetar freaks as Roy Albrighton was a good showman and player. In a way they were much like Hawkwind, each LP was different, they experimented and produced some stunning LPs. Unfortunately they got tired off being tarred with the hippy/space rock brush and went off to the US where they faded away. Sorry Steve I had to do it. ;-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Jones | | | Praxis Systems plc, 20 Manvers St, BATH BA1 1PX, UK | Tel: +44 225 444700 | FAX: 225 65205 | chris%praxis.co.uk | chris%praxis.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Wed Oct 24 09:53:40 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 10:19:46 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Re: Iron Maiden on the List X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010232308.AA25205@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "Dieter Muller" at Oct 23, 90 4:21 pm > > I've been wondering if anyone else here listened to [Iron Maiden]. They've > got a lot of imaginative/speculative songs, as well as a few adaptations > of classics. Some highlights: [...] > This should be enough to get a few folks frothing, if nothing else. > If there's interest, I could send in my discography (mostly complete). > If anyone wants more details, I could relisten to a particular album. > It's been a while for the vinyl copies (no vinyl-player at work). > Now that we've started a decent discussion about Black Sabbath, I would be happy to bring Iron Maiden into the fray (whaddaya say, List-Mngr?). I've been a big Maiden fan since '79 - '80 or so. I love everything they did in the Paul D'Anno (sp?) years with "Iron Maiden" and "Killers." Bringing in Bruce D. on vocals/lyrics definitely brought them into a new era. I have studio albums through Powerslave, plus the live (Iron Maiden, Killers, Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind, Powerslave, Live After Death). The early D'Anno stuff is perfect neo-metal with lots of punk influence. Short, sweet, and fast. The Bruce D. stuff is more distinctive Iron Maiden, with all the long, tight jams. The Iron Maiden formula sort of wore thin on me around Powerslave, and I don't have any later albums. I think Maiden is one of the tightest metal bands in existence, but they started to sound very formulaic after Powerslave. Maybe I'll go and get the later albums, if someone on the list can provide some reviews, and pique my interest. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tex%BSU-CS.BSU.EDU Thu Oct 25 08:57:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 22:28:51 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Buck Dharma @ Club Ninja" Subject: Masters of Reality X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I love MOR! They have some really neat songs. Has anyone out there seen the movie "Marked for Death" that recently came out? The band playing in the first bar sceen is Masters doing "Domino". I could hardly beleive my ears! Anyway, a little about the band... They had an album that was released of Def American a year or so back, then they broke up. Recently, the album was slightlty remixed and they are now out on Deliceous Vinyl. Apperently they also are BACK TOGETHER and are working on a new album and tour. These guys are definately a step away from the average boring onslaught of luzer bands that litter the album oriented rock stations. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Thu Oct 25 15:25:01 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 11:20:59 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Black Sabbath & Deep Purple observations X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >From reading the Sabbath discography, I realized something: of their lead singers, two are from Deep Purple (Gillan, Hughes) and one from Rainbow (Dio) Also, Martin Birch has produced albums for both Sabbath and Purple. Just and idle comment from a Gillan/Dio/DP in general fan. Dean C. Wagner I like girls and Rock and Roll dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Injured in the Game of Love" wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu -Donnie Iris cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ..in the White Room, with black curtains >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Thu Oct 25 15:25:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 11:28:57 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: correctionn X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Glenn Hughes did not sing for Deep Purple, he was the bass player on the albums that David Coverdale sang on. I thought I saw that he did sing for Sabbath, though. Is this right? (I knew he didn't sing, really). Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jb10320%UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU Thu Oct 25 15:25:24 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 14:20:45 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Desdinova Subject: Re: Black Sabbath & Deep Purple observations X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010251637.AA18522@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Dean Wagner" at Oct 25, 90 11:20 am > > >From reading the Sabbath discography, I realized something: of their lead > singers, two are from Deep Purple (Gillan, Hughes) and one from Rainbow (Dio) > Also, Martin Birch has produced albums for both Sabbath and Purple. > > Just and idle comment from a Gillan/Dio/DP in general fan. For some more idle comments- don't forget that Cozy Powell, formerly of Whitesnake, is now in Black Sabbath. And of course, Whitesnake evolved >from Deep Purple. What comes around goes around, eh? Seems like the only person who hasn't played Band-of-the-week is Ozzy himself, eh? > Dean C. Wagner I like girls and Rock and Roll >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Thu Oct 25 15:25:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 14:55:37 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Re: Black Sabbath and Deep Purple observations X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >> >From reading the Sabbath discography, I realized something: of their lead >>>singers, two are from Deep Purple (Gillan, Hughes) and one from Rainbow (Dio) > Also, Martin Birch has produced albums for both Sabbath and Purple. >> >> Just and idle comment from a Gillan/Dio/DP in general fan. > > For some more idle comments- don't forget that Cozy Powell, formerly of >Whitesnake, is now in Black Sabbath. And of course, Whitesnake evolved >from Deep Purple. What comes around goes around, eh? Seems like the only >person who hasn't played Band-of-the-week is Ozzy himself, eh? > heh. I knew I had seen the name Cozy Powell before - he was one of the original Rainbow members....imagine that! Dean C. Wagner Did you ever wonder why we had to run dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu for shelter with the promise of a wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu brave new world unfurled beneath the cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu clear blue sky - Pink Floyd Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and the Knights who say "Ni!" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Thu Oct 25 15:25:53 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 16:16:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: cozy powell, glenn hughes To: Dieter Muller Cozy Powell, and Glenn Hughes were part of a project band called Phenomena. Friendly-moderator Steve thinks that not too many people will have heard of this band.....maybe so! I have their first album, "Phenomena" It's ok....music is a bit tame, but nice to listen to, the lyrics are slightly demonic. They have at least another album out, but I don't remember the title of it. - Alv >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Mon Oct 29 12:24:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 13:23:04 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: HW's PXR5 (Was: Miscellaneous...) X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "makila" at Oct 18, 90 2:28 pm > Stuart Hungerford asks: > > SH> BTW what was on the original P.X.R. 5 cover and why does it have "this > SH> is the last but one" on the liner notes? > > Yes, someone tell what was wrong with the original cover! According to my friend the HW completist, the original cover did not have the "masking" which partially obscures the mis-wired plugs on the album cover we see today. According to him the original cover featured the plugs, dangerously mis-wired, in all their uncensored glory. Of course, it was thought that this might encourage some weak-minded soul to wire up their mains plugs this way and so the plugs were partially obscured with the stencil on the present cover so as not to make it so obvious. > About the 'this is..' I can say that if I remember right, at > that time Dave Brock was very tired of HW and decided to end > it. As we all know they soon started again as Hawklords and changed back to HW. This is nothing compared to a band > called Pink Fairies (sometimes in the past united with HW > under the name of Pinkwind) who have split and comebacked > about a dozen of times. Anybody heard of Pink Fairies? > > // niko This is roughly how I saw it too. After a pretty bad US tour, Dave Brock decided he'd had enough and sold his guitar and split. (He'd been feeling the band was drifting off course out of control since the previous album ("Astounding Sounds..." I think) and so the tour was the final straw.) Anyway, back in England he basically teamed up with his old Sonic Assassins pals and reformed a band. Because of legal reasons they couldn't use the Hawkwind name (it was still contracted to their record company, etc.) and so they shelved the already recorded "P.X.R. 5" and recorded "25 Years On" under the instantly recognisable Hawklords name. This is probably what the "last but one" quote refers to though I could be wrong. Of course, when their old contract expired, Dave and co. were able to take up once more the Hawkwind name and the rest, as they say, is history... (In fact they followed up "P.X.R. 5" with the highly successful "Live 79" which secured them the record deal that enabled them to record "Levitation" and continue apace...) A short history lesson courtesy of: Paul Mather. :-) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Mon Oct 29 12:25:11 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 11:53:41 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Tony Iommi X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 22, 90 11:06 am > Has anybody heard _Tyr_ yet? I'm afraid to plunk down money without hearing > it first, especially since the last album was "Headless Cross" :-) > Of course that might be a stupid reason, like not buying Imaginos because > it came right after Club Ninja. (I soon discovered the error of my ways > on THAT one, though! :-) I haven't heard _Tyr_ but the reviews I have read have all been very positive. Basically they say that _Headless Cross_ and _Tyr_ are the best Sabbath albums for years. I have heard one track off _Tyr_, though I can't recall its name. It was a ballad sort of affair and probably is currently charting as their single off the album. Ok if you like that sort of thing. BTW: What's the in-joke with _Headless Cross_? Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Oct 29 12:37:30 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 11:19:49 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Sabbath, TYR X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I'm not a big Sabbath fan, but I heard one song from TYR on headbanger's ball (don't ask WHY I watched it -- I was looking for Deep Purple or Last in Line. Now you don't NEED to ask why....anyways,) I would imagine it was the ballad type song that he last message referred to. It sounded like a decent song, but I was so amazed that Sabbath was selling out and playing ballads that I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it. One question: when they introduced the song, they said it was from the album (Tee why arr). Isn't it named after the Norse god (the one-handed one)? Did they screw up, or am I wrong? (I'm guessing they screwed up - they did that with another album name). Dean C. Wagner I like girls and Rock and Roll dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Injured in the Game of Love" wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu -Donnie Iris cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ..in the White Room, with black curtains >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Oct 29 16:37:59 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 18:00:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Iron Maiden To: Dieter Muller Somebody asked if we should talk about Iron Maiden. I don't see why not... If anybody feels that the list is getting too crowded with groups like Iron Maiden, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc, then we may at some point have to make a decision abpout it. But in the meanwhile, as long as everyone is happy with the topics and interested in the discussion, then anything's fair game. So, let me now ask if anybody here knows much -about- Iron Maiden. My personal favorite stuff by them is from Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind. Stuff like Flight of Icarus, The Trooper, Run to the Hills, and Number of the Beast. As somebody else mentioned earlier, around Powerslave the formula started to wear a little thin with me. I think it's mostly because the music didn't seem (to me) to have much bite anymore. Then "Can I Play With Madness" came out as the first single >from Seventh Son (I think) and I gave up on them. Iron Maiden: bubble gum for the mind. :-) So what I was wondering: is any of the older (i.e. pre-Number of the Beast) stuff any good? Is NotB the album where Dickinson (sp?) came in? I have heard people (who seem to like much the same stuff as I do), say that they like the old D'Annio (sp?) stuff better. Opinions? Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Mon Oct 29 20:34:31 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 10:20:22 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: HW's PXR5 (Was: Miscellaneous...) X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010291208.AA29022@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Oct 23, 90 1:23 pm Paul Mather says: > > > [stuff deleted ...] > > This is roughly how I saw it too. After a pretty bad US tour, > Dave Brock decided he'd had enough and sold his guitar and split. > (He'd been feeling the band was drifting off course out of control > since the previous album ("Astounding Sounds..." I think) and so the > tour was the final straw.) Anyway, back in England he basically > teamed up with his old Sonic Assassins pals and reformed a band. > Because of legal reasons they couldn't use the Hawkwind name (it > was still contracted to their record company, etc.) and so they > shelved the already recorded "P.X.R. 5" and recorded "25 Years On" > under the instantly recognisable Hawklords name. This is probably what > the "last but one" quote refers to though I could be wrong. > Thanks, this is interesting. I'd often wondered about the origins of the Hawklords particularly since I first heard _Psi Power_ on the radio and rushed out and bought the album (which I still enjoy listening to). Mind you, I heard _Uncle Sam's On Mars_ on the radio too and rushed out and bought _P.X.R. 5_ as well (I did a lot of rushing out in those days :-)) > A short history lesson courtesy of: > > Paul Mather. :-) > Thanks! Stuart. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Mon Oct 29 20:35:24 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 16:31:09 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Re: The Marshall Plan X-To: James Preston To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010300003.AA29504@relay.hp.com>; from "James Preston" at Oct 29, 90 2:43 pm >The first obvious question is, what the heck does the title of the song have >to do with anything? I know that the original Marshall Plan was the plan for >European recovery after World War II, but what does that have to do with a kid >and his guitar? Well, I'm only partial-all-knowing, but here's how I always thought of it... I figured that every aspiring rock hero would of course want Marshall amps. Take a look at the inner-jacket of "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" and you'll see literally a wall of Marshall stacks behind the band (all playing guitars, looks like the old "Born To Be Wild" jam). >The second point concerns the guitar solo in the middle of the song. "I know >just what it's gonna sound like. It's gonna sound like, it's gonna sound >like . . ." And there follows what I consider one of the most uninspired, >boring, and lackluster guitar bits in BOC's history. OPINION ALERT ON The Marshall Plan seems like a filler; the rest of Cultosaurus is my kind of BOC music (yes, I'm "Old Guard", and my opinions show it). It's a cute tune, but I thought it should have been on Mirrors (oh-oh, it's going to get warm!). It would have fit better there. OPINION ALERT OFF (It's safe to come out now) Phil "Can'tcha dig the locomotion" Nielsen >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jsp%PENGUIN.KEY.COM Mon Oct 29 20:36:53 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 14:43:00 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: The Marshall Plan X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Ok, it's high time that there was some BOC discussion on this BOC list. Today's topic is "The Marshall Plan", a song about a kid who wants to be a rock & roll star. The first obvious question is, what the heck does the title of the song have to do with anything? I know that the original Marshall Plan was the plan for European recovery after World War II, but what does that have to do with a kid and his guitar? The second point concerns the guitar solo in the middle of the song. "I know just what it's gonna sound like. It's gonna sound like, it's gonna sound like . . ." And there follows what I consider one of the most uninspired, boring, and lackluster guitar bits in BOC's history. So tell me, oh ye wise and all-knowing BOC fans, is it just me? Is that thing, in fact, a really truly awesome killer solo, and I just missed it? On the other hand, if it really is nothing special (which I can't help but think is what you will all agree with), why do you think that is? Did Buck just screw up, or is there a "message" in the song that this kid is such a bad guitar player that even in his fantasies he can't play a decent solo? --James Preston "Must these Englishmen live that I might die?" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!floyd!mbraun%UDC.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Mon Oct 29 20:37:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 00:55:44 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Matthew Braun Subject: Re: The Marshall Plan X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@urbana.mcd.mot.com X-Cc: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com To: Dieter Muller -------- > Ok, it's high time that there was some BOC discussion on this BOC list. Hear, hear... :-) > Today's topic is "The Marshall Plan", a song about a kid who wants to be > a rock & roll star. > The first obvious question is, what the heck does the title of the song have > to do with anything? I know that the original Marshall Plan was the plan for > European recovery after World War II, but what does that have to do with a > kid and his guitar? Uh...recovery of a European girlfriend??? :-) > The second point concerns the guitar solo in the middle of the song. "I know > just what it's gonna sound like. It's gonna sound like, it's gonna sound > like . . ." And there follows what I consider one of the most uninspired, > boring, and lackluster guitar bits in BOC's history. So tell me, oh ye wise > and all-knowing BOC fans, is it just me? Is that thing, in fact, a really > truly awesome killer solo, and I just missed it? No, and no. The solo is pretty lame. (IMHO, of course.) > On the other hand, if it > really is nothing special (which I can't help but think is what you will all > agree with), why do you think that is? Did Buck just screw up, or is there > a "message" in the song that this kid is such a bad guitar player that even > in his fantasies he can't play a decent solo? The first time I heard the song, I thought, "Is this for real?" I broke out laughing when they twanged out "Smoke On The Water". I consider TMP to be almost a parody of the "young kid gonna hit it big as a rock star" theme. (The target song that immediately springs to mind is Foreigner's "Juke Box Hero." {Or is it Juke Box Zero? :-) Never did like that song much...} I guess Marillion's "Tux On" would be another member of the group, and one of Bad Company's, whose name escapes me at this moment, is a third.) I don't think that there's any message to the song. They're just being silly by being so serious about the whole idea. ("...with over six million albums to his credit in just two short years, Here's Johnny.") Here's ``Johnny''?!!? Gimme a break. :-) A BOC song that's so bad it's good. I still get a kick out of it these days... Anyway... m@ +----------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ |Matt Braun -- Motorola, ????????????? Division| I tell ya I ain't playin' | |Urbana IL Design Centre--Cupertino CA Chapter | no surf music -- BOC| +----------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jb10320%UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Oct 29 20:38:12 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 19:43:29 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Desdinova Subject: Re: Iron Maiden X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010292302.AA29924@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "V061Q3X6@ubvms.bitnet" at Oct 29, 90 6:00 pm >[...] > anymore. Then "Can I Play With Madness" came out as the first single > from Seventh Son (I think) and I gave up on them. Iron Maiden: bubble > gum for the mind. :-) Indeed! > > So what I was wondering: is any of the older (i.e. pre-Number of the > Beast) stuff any good? Is NotB the album where Dickinson (sp?) came in? > I have heard people (who seem to like much the same stuff as I do), say > that they like the old D'Annio (sp?) stuff better. Opinions? The only Maiden album I have is "Killers", and boy is it ever. We're talking bare-bones rock-em-raw music here. Lots of good stuff- some cool Queen/Purple-like guitar effects, two instrumentals (an intro piece and a really neat "Genghis Khan"), cool lyrics, and classic vocals (McGruff, the heavy-metal singer, back when it was original). A friend of mine played this album for me a couple years ago and I was instantly blown away. I heartily recommend it! > Steve Jawaid Bazyar | Blondes in big black cars look better wearing Senior/Computer Engineering | their dark sunglasses at night. (unk. wierdo) jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | The gin, the gin, glows in the Dark! Apple II Forever! | (B O'Cult) Comp.Sys.Apple2- Home of the Unofficial Apple II Developer Support Team (DST) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Mon Oct 29 20:38:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 21:40:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: Re: Marshall Plan To: Dieter Muller here'a some more comments about the BOC song : "Marshall Plan" the Marshall amp idea sounds good. the song itself sounds like a big pipe dream. why is the solo so mediocre? well, wasn't there also an introduction somewhere in the song : 'tonight on Don Kershner's blablabbahblah' that's a tip off right there! I always thought the type of music that was on that show was like Pat Boone or something ludicrously harmless. - Alv >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Tue Oct 30 12:30:44 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 11:38:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: BOC live To: Dieter Muller Ok, so people want to talk about BOC on the BOC discussion list, huh? Novel idea. I can dig it. So, some of you people who own even more BOC than my Humble Self, how about some reviews of the live albums? - yHM Steve P.S. Is there a good live version of 7 Screaming Diz-busters? I think that song has some pretty awesome potential for a live performance... >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mwm%SWLRS1.MSD.RAY.COM Tue Oct 30 12:31:11 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 11:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: mwm X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Steve writes: >So, let me now ask if anybody here knows much -about- Iron Maiden. My >personal favorite stuff by them is from Number of the Beast and Piece >of Mind. Stuff like Flight of Icarus, The Trooper, Run to the Hills, IMHO, the best stuff was with D'Annio. He had a much more maniacal voice which was perfectly suited for the stuff they were playing. Bruce D. definitely has a more classical ( :^) ) heavy metal voice, but I think that made them more homogenous w/ the rest of the metal trash of the eighties. I started to lose interest after NotB, though I wanted to pick up Powerslave to check that out. Definitely check out Killers, their seminal work, IMHO. By the way, I remember seeing them live as a double header with Judas Priest in the early eighties, now that show was a barn-burner. Question, I remember when D'Annio left the band, he started another (Beowulf?) Anyone ever hear that vinyl? How was it? the landscapes' open and world is all mine, Mark *Mark Marino * The old ranger weathered the storm and he topped the *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * rise by the middle of morn. He saw rippled dunes, *Raytheon Co. * calm and surreal, and a glint of a solitary shaft of *Tewksbury, MA * chromium steel. The Golden Age of Leather >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Tue Oct 30 12:31:34 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 09:38:37 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Re: BOC live X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010301646.AA09408@relay.hp.com>; from "BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 30, 90 11:38 am > > Ok, so people want to talk about BOC on the BOC discussion list, huh? > Novel idea. I can dig it. So, some of you people who own even more > BOC than my Humble Self, how about some reviews of the live albums? > Well, I think we'll have to WRITE about it, as we would otherwise have to talk pretty loud (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk 8^) You get a different feel for the band from the live albums (well, from "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" and "Some Enchanted Evening". They play the popular stuff, and add covers and un-recorded tunes (Bucks Boogie, Maserati GT (I Ain't Got You), Born to be Wild, Kick Out The Jams, We Gotta Get Out Of This Place). The sound quality of OYFOOYK (obscene looking acronym!) is not so great, but the music is good. You also catch some of the band's humor; at the end of "The Red and the Black," Eric thanks the audience for a gift: "I'd like to thanks my friends for giving me this little whip. It's really lovely, I'll keep it and cherish it forever." They often change tempo from the originals; from OYFOOYK, "Cities on Flame" gets speeded up, and the original organ bridge becomes a very hot guitar solo. E.T.L. is probably the best live album from the sound quality perspective, and I think the tunes are played at the original tempos. However, they shortened the early tunes a bit (maybe to try to fit as much as possible into the live performance?). Robbie Krieger (sp?) also plays on "Roadhouse Blues." > P.S. Is there a good live version of 7 Screaming Diz-busters? I think > that song has some pretty awesome potential for a live performance... The only one I know of is from "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees", in which the music is pretty hot (this is from memory, but I think it is actually up-tempo from the Tyranny version!). Somewhere toward the end Eric addresses the audience regarding his personal discussions with Lucifer: Eric: "(something about) when I call Lucifer" other: "what do you call him" Eric: "I said I call him, 'Hey Lou'" other: "and if he don't answer?" Eric: "I say 'Hey, Lou, I'm lookin' for ya" But I digress; the band is good in concert, and I could go on waxing nostalgic till you all puke, so I better stop. Phil (The future's uncertain and the end is always near) Nielsen >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Tue Oct 30 12:32:38 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 12:32:48 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Re: Iron Maiden X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010292303.AA12625@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET" at Oct 29, 90 6:00 pm > Somebody asked if we should talk about Iron Maiden. I don't see why not... Excellent! Count my YES vote. > So what I was wondering: is any of the older (i.e. pre-Number of the > Beast) stuff any good? Is NotB the album where Dickinson (sp?) came in? > I have heard people (who seem to like much the same stuff as I do), say > that they like the old D'Annio (sp?) stuff better. Opinions? The first two Iron Maiden albums (Iron Maiden and Killers) had Paul D'Anno (sorry, I don't know if this is the right spelling either!) on vocals. Bruce Dickinson came on for Number Of The Beast. The first two albums are much more "neo-metal" than the Dickinson albums. By neo-metal I mean a lot of punk influence, short and fast songs for the most part, with a more staccato driving beat than other forms of metal. Not speed metal, mind you! The solos are more punctuated, and you might even say the musicianship is a bit less than in the later period. Just a younger band. The later period is more flowing, with lots of long solos and Bruce D's siren vocals. Depends on what you like, I don't think either Maiden period (ha!) is better than the other, just different. Personally, I adore the early period at least as much as the later. Lately, I listen to the first two albums more than the others, but I get in these moods... Regardless, I would HIGHLY recommend Killers to anyone! Of course, it helps if you are open-minded regarding metal; most List members would like it, I guess. I also recommend Iron Maiden to those who are really interested in the band. Screw it, I recommend IM to anyone! As far as the early live album Maiden Japan is concerned, it's OK, but has never really done a whole lot for me. My tape sucks, so maybe that has something to do with it... -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mwm%SWLRS1.MSD.RAY.COM Tue Oct 30 12:33:29 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 13:24:33 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: mwm X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Someone wrote: >to do with anything? I know that the original Marshall Plan was the plan for >European recovery after World War II, but what does that have to do with a kid >and his guitar? Yes, it is most definitely a pun on the real "Marshall Plan", supplanting the idea of using Marshall stacks to become a rock god and win back his girl. >The second point concerns the guitar solo in the middle of the song. "I know Geez, I thought it was kind of a parody. It was probably tough for Buck to try and imitate some cheesy "metal god" new kid in town. Although the Smoke On the Water bit always gives me a chuckle. Hey, they can't be serious all the time (witness She's as Beautiful...). Alvin says: >somewhere in the song : 'tonight on Don Kershner's blablabbahblah' >that's a tip off right there! I always thought the type of music >that was on that show was like Pat Boone or something ludicrously harmless. The humorous voice-over by Don Kirshner was done as a favor from Don after BOC HAD BEEN ON DK's Rock Concert. That show actually had some decent bands ONCE IN A WHILE. >The Marshall Plan seems like a filler; the rest of Cultosaurus is my kind of >BOC music (yes, I'm "Old Guard", and my opinions show it). It's a cute tune, I agree totally, it was a one-off, definitely the low-point of the otherwise awesome album (but as a die-hard fan, I've even grown to love TMP). reductions of the many from one, Mark *Mark Marino * The old ranger weathered the storm and he topped the *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * rise by the middle of morn. He saw rippled dunes, *Raytheon Co. * calm and surreal, and a glint of a solitary shaft of *Tewksbury, MA * chromium steel. The Golden Age of Leather >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wilson%EOLA.CS.UCF.EDU Tue Oct 30 18:05:01 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 23:16:18 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Re: BOC Live X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Live BOC: I've found the live BOC albums to be harder than the studio versions of the same songs. The most obvious example is Astronomy on SEE. The version is much better than the one on ST and better than the one on Imaginos (which I didn't care for too much although it is better than the one on ST). R.U. Ready 2 Rock is also harder and more enjoyable than the one on Spectres. I like the version of Godzilla on SEE more than the one on ETL (intro and sound effects were great but it got kind of old, over and over) and Spectres. OYFOOYK has some great solos on 7 Screaming Dizbusters and ME 262. Harvester of Eyes has some great synthesizer (I guess) which makes it much better than the one on ST. Hot Rails andd Cities on Flame sound kind of harsh. Of course, Buck's Boogie only appears on OYFOOYK. ETL sounds the hardest of all the live albums: Dominance and Submission, Cities on Flame, The Red and the Black. The version of Hot Rails is my favorite of all the other versions of it (even though they cut a chorus). Black Blade is good. The drums on Veteran of the Psychic Wars don't sound as clear as the studio version, but the solo rivals those on OYFOOYK. If you don't have any live BOC, get Career of Evil. It has the better live songs off the 3 albums (as well as some studio stuff). The BOC discography mentions a compilation (Don't Fear) the Reaper. Anyone have this? Is it still available? I haven't seen it myself. Tom >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ccmnate%BULLWINKLE.UCDAVIS.EDU Tue Oct 30 18:06:26 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 15:33:39 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Jester Subject: Re: BOC Live X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I have the BOC compilation (Don't Fear) The Reaper. It is both a pleasent and an unpleasent surprise. The first thing I noticed about it, is that they butchered The title track. You know that really cool solo? Where buck uses all kinds of interesting harmonies? Well, for this compilation, the solo was cut out. It isn't there. The BUGGED me...kinda ruined the whole song. There WERE a few good point about the album. First: It has them playing a studio version of Born To Be Wild. Not quite as good as when they play it live, but it is, nontheless, a good song. Also, there is a different live performance of Bock's Boogie. Not as good as the one on OYFOOYN, though... The only reason I got the album was becasue of the studio version of Born To Be Wild... It is put out by CBS masterworks....so I am inclined to think that BOC didn't have a whole lot of say in the album...or at least I HOPE they didn't have much say....I hate to think that they would butcher one of their best songs....:) The Jester ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tex%BSU-CS.BSU.EDU Wed Oct 31 09:19:01 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 08:01:27 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Buck Dharma @ Club Ninja" Subject: Re: BOC Live X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Is the last album "...The Metal Years" worth it or is it just another ploy to make extra cash? How many live or remixed songs are on this disk? >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!MATHER%POLLUX.BITNET Wed Oct 31 15:46:03 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 16:10:17 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: BOC Live X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "Buck Dharma @ Club Ninja" at Oct 31, 90 8:01 am > Is the last album "...The Metal Years" worth it or is it just another > > ploy to make extra cash? How many live or remixed songs are on this disk? Having glanced at the record in the record shop to see if it was worth buying, I concluded that it wasn't, for me that is. All the tracks are taken off previously released albums. There is a good mix of live and studio tracks with much of the live stuff coming off _ETL_ and _On Your Feet..._. If you already have the albums then don't bother. If you don't have any of the albums then this is probably worth it. (It is a bit pricey for what is essentially a vanilla compilation album though.) Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!TBUCK%KNOX.BITNET Wed Oct 31 18:13:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 18:45:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!TBUCK%KNOX.BITNET Subject: Bootleg Records To: Dieter Muller Hello, I'm new to this list, and to BITNET in general. I was wondering if anybody out there was interested in bootleg records and/or CD's. I am particularaly interested in the music of (legitimate or bootleg)... Pink Floyd/David Gilmour solo/Roger Waters solo Jimi Hendrix and Hendrix covers by other bands. The Police/Sting solo Peter Gabriel Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson The Beatles/George solo/Paul solo/John solo Led Zeppelin/Plant solo/Page solo/The Firm The Traveling Wilburys (both individually and collectively) George Harrison/Jeff Lynne and ELO/Tom Petty Eric Claption and all the bands he's been in. The Pretenders Sun Ra (A free form jazz God from Saturn!) The Who/Pete Townsend solo ...and others. If anyone would like to chit chat about these artists, specific bootleg albums/CD's,or bootlegs in general (both pro and con) my address is TBUCK@KNOX. Thanks. Tom Buck >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Wed Oct 31 21:10:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 20:57:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Bootleg Records To: Dieter Muller >Pink Floyd/David Gilmour solo/Roger Waters solo >Jimi Hendrix and Hendrix covers by other bands. >The Police/Sting solo etc..... Gosh, that fellow signed off the list within 10 minutes of me sending him the "Welcome" file... (You know, the one saying what groups we're talking about, and what lyrics and discographies we have archived...) I wonder -why-? :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Thu Nov 1 17:25:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 13:04:48 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Names in BOC Lyrics X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Okay, a little quiz (no, I don't know the answers). What is the significance of names used in BOC tunes such as Silverfish Imperatrix Sir Rastus Bear Transmaniacon MC Diz-Busters Salamander Drake and any others you can think of. Are they all just from the band's collective imagination, or what? Also, is there a "Conry's Bar" somewhere in BOC-land (ie. NY or thereabouts?). These are not trivial questions :-) They've been on my mind for years, and I figured that the absolute all-encompassing knowledge of this group could educate me :-) Phil "They say the west is nice this time of year" in sunny California >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Thu Nov 1 17:51:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 18:49:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Names in BOC Lyrics To: Dieter Muller >Okay, a little quiz (no, I don't know the answers). > > [whole bunch deleted] > >Salamander Drake Aha, at least I know one! :-) (actually 2, I guess) Salamander = creature of elemental fire, i.e. the things responsible for volcanoes and such. (Didn't Dr. Faustus summon one?) Drake = Dragon. I don't think that needs any further clarification. :-) >and any others you can think of. Are they all just from the >band's collective imagination, or what? Well, not those two anyway. Does anybody know what the hell "silver scrapes" mean(s), or what it has to do with May? :-) >Also, is there a "Conry's Bar" somewhere in BOC-land (ie. NY or >thereabouts?). I think BOC land is probably the Thousand Islands... >These are not trivial questions :-) They've been on my mind for >years, and I figured that the absolute all-encompassing knowledge of >this group could educate me :-) Hey, we try. :-) >Phil "They say the west is nice this time of year" in sunny California So's the north east - it was 70F here today... How bright the sun! ('course, this is neither August, nor New Hampshire! :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Thu Nov 1 19:55:54 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 20:40:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: boc-land To: Dieter Muller Steve Swann asks: >Does anybody know what the hell "silver scrapes" mean(s), or what it >has to do with May? :-) maybe the silver blades of shovels planting stuff, scraping away the winter's detritus? or maybe to bury someone??? I'm just guessing. >>Also, is there a "Conry's Bar" somewhere in BOC-land (ie. NY or >>thereabouts?). > Maybe Conry's bar is someplace they used to play at in the early days. >I think BOC land is probably the Thousand Islands... I thought BOC was from Boston, Ma.... - Alv >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!borellms%CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU Thu Nov 1 23:54:00 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 22:52:17 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Mike Borella Subject: BOC's whereabouts X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller BOC is from Long Island. 2 of them live in or used to live in Port Jeeferson, about 7 miles from the place I call home. 2 of them went to school here at Clarkson. Mike >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!MATHER%ODIN.BITNET Sat Nov 3 14:14:35 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 13:42:00 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Iron Maiden X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller Our humble moderator Steve comments: > [...] My > personal favorite stuff by them is from Number of the Beast and Piece > of Mind. Stuff like Flight of Icarus, The Trooper, Run to the Hills, > and Number of the Beast. As somebody else mentioned earlier, around > Powerslave the formula started to wear a little thin with me. I think > it's mostly because the music didn't seem (to me) to have much bite > anymore. I find it a little difficult to come across someone who confesses a liking for _Piece Of Mind_ but doesn't like _Powerslave_! ("There's nothing so queer as folk", and all that:) I find that strange because apart from "The Trooper" and "Still Life", I consider most of side B of _POM_ to be pretty lacklustre (it would be too harsh of me to say "fillers"?). _Powerslave_ has come in for a bit of a bashing recently. I find this quite puzzling (IMHO it's one of my favourites). From a musical standpoint I find it a lot more complexed than _POM_ (which preceded it), though you could accuse it of not being as brutal as the albums that went before it as a result. Some of the material is actually quite subtle. And of course there are classic Maiden tracks like "2 Minutes to Midnight" and the epic "Rime of the Ancient Mariner". Maybe the music didn't have as much bite (though IMHO I think it still has plenty bite), that doesn't mean it was worse... > [...] Then "Can I Play With Madness" came out as the first single > from Seventh Son (I think) and I gave up on them. Iron Maiden: bubble > gum for the mind. :-) I think this is a little harsh. Maybe you could explain? (The lyrics aren't *that* bad, I mean, they're not exactly down to cock-rock standards.) I admit that personally I didn't enjoy _Somewhere in Time_ too much (it couldn't make up it's mind whether or not it wanted to be brutal or subtle and ended up sounding very inconsistant as a result methinks), nor the followup _Seventh Son of a Seventh Son_ (which sounded too commercial and mellow). And yes, I did cringe when I first heard the "Can I Play With Madness" single. (I immediately thought "Sell out!") Even though I didn't particularly like the last two albums, I bought the most recent release _No Prayer For The Dying_, mainly to give them one last chance. I think the signs are good. IM seem to be trying to go back to their earlier roots on this album which sounds much harder and much more consistant than the two previous releases. And hey, the rather tongue-in-cheek "Holy Smoke", released as a single, is catchy as hell but without being as cringeworthy as "CIPWM?". > So what I was wondering: is any of the older (i.e. pre-Number of the > Beast) stuff any good? Is NotB the album where Dickinson (sp?) came in? > I have heard people (who seem to like much the same stuff as I do), say > that they like the old D'Annio (sp?) stuff better. Opinions? I like all the IM albums roughly equally (apart from _Somewhere In Time_ and _Seventh Son..._ as I've already mentioned), with no particular strong favourites. Of the Paul DiAnno era stuff, I think _Iron Maiden_ sounds much more subtle and atmospheric than the followup _Killers_. Like another poster, I can't really understand why many people think that DiAnno's vocals were bad because I think they suited the material perfectly, especially on the more atmospheric tracks such as "Strange World", "Remember Tomorrow", etc. The music is much more frenzied on the first two albums showing all the raw agression you'd expect from a new band. _Killers_ is probably the hardest of those two albums with plenty of fast paced guitar work. Although the music is fast and hard for the most part, it is always tightly executed. The instrumental "Transylvania" on the first album is incredible (IMHO). In the later albums I think IM traded their naked agression and became much more subtle and complexed instead. The distinctive twin lead guitar style that became their trademark remained though and became more refined. In a lot of their later work you'd find a lot of layered guitar melodies thrown in there, and Steve Harris' bass work just continued to get better and better. I don't know about the USA and elsewhere but here in the UK you can pick up all the old IM albums dirt cheap on vinyl (#4-#4.50). Given those prices they are an irresistable proposition (unless you have an innate dislike for metal). Well worth checking out... And Mark Marino writes: > Question, I remember when D'Annio left the band, he started another (Beowulf?) > Anyone ever hear that vinyl? How was it? The band was actually called "Battlezone" (usually labelled "Paul DiAnno's Battlezone" on the album covers). I've never heard any of his solo or Battlezone stuff but the following is available: Paul DiAnno: War Child Children Of Madness Paul DiAnno's Battlezone: Fighting Back Of course there may be more. Cheers, Paul. "Just a babe in a black abyss, no reason for a place like this" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 10:18:21 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 21:41:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: What this group is about. To: Dieter Muller Dean Wagner writes: >First, I think Deep Purple should not be in this group, except for when they >are being mentioned in relation to other bands. but they don't >really belong here. They haven't really ever sung about anything that fits] >in here. Ok, we're back to the problem of: Censorship in BOC-L vs. Making this group's mail volume TOO LARGE. I don't mind discussing nearly any good hard rock or metal band. BUT, a fair number of people don't like the large volumes we sometimes generate in this group by spreading the discussion across too many topics. For those of us with short attention spans, :-) here's the main point of this whole discussion: ----------------------------------------------- BOC-L exists to give us a forum to discuss "imaginitive" rock bands that you would not otherwise have the opportunity to discuss. ----------------------------------------------- Obviously, BOC and Hawkwind are definitely in. Dio, Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden I think are worthy of discussion, but I hesitate to talk about them too much because you can always discuss them on "alt.rock-n-roll" or "alt.r-n-r.metal". Same thing with Deep Purple, Queensryche, and any number of bands whose music contains an element of science fiction or the mystical. I like all of these bands, but we don't need BOC-L to talk about them. So, lets try to stick MOSTLY to our main bands - BOC and HW. I'm not going to "censor" any discussion of other stuff, but lets try to keep the -volume- of that other stuff down to just what's important, ok? Thanks, - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 10:19:02 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 15:30:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Huw Lloyd-Langton To: Dieter Muller Big hole in the HW discography: Solo work, especially the HLL Band. Alright, somebody out there has this info. Cough it up! :-) Also, anybody know when (what album) he joined Hawkwind, and what he did before that? A few more questions: What does Opa-Loka mean (from WotEoT)? How about Hassan I Sahba? I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:19:18 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 15:29:19 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: HW X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller ok, I found another one used....Xenon Codex, I think - very similar to that. What's this one like? which type of music is it, and what are people's opinions of it? Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 10:19:30 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 21:06:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Huw Lloyd-Langton, Orgone Accumulators :-) To: Dieter Muller > >Also, anybody know when (what album) he joined Hawkwind, and what he > >did before that? >He was an original HW member. Left before Doremi Fasol Latido. >Then rejoined the new Hawkwind (new as in when they changed their name >back from Hawklords). From what I've heard he left again after Xenon Codex. Waaaaaaaah! Don't remind me. >> How about Hassan I Sahba? >> >I am guessing he is a historical Islam assassin. That sounds plausible to me. Anyone ever read Roger Zelazny's "This Immortal"? One of the main characters is a renowned assassin by the name of Hassan, and he almost seems like he might have been based on some real historical figure... >>I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) >> >Well, spit it out, Steve. :) Oh, ok. :-) It's an invention by a slightly (?) wacko 19th century physician, who believed that there was an as-yet "undiscovered"* element in the environment (i.e. in the air) which he called Orgone. This stuff was supposed to have wonderful rejeuvenating properties, according to him. So he created this decice, called an Orgone Accululator, which was essentially an upright wooden crate, with a stool in it, and a tiny window in the door. You locked yourself in this contraption, and it was supposed to let Orgone in, but not out, so that you would be exposed to a high concentration of it, which would make you feel healthy, youthful, and invigorated. :-) Of course, I believe the crate was lined with lead or some such noxious stuff. :-) I don't know how many of these ridiculous things he actually sold. Knowing this, go back and listen to the song again. It's pretty funny. * of course he meant undiscovered by anyone besides himself. :-) Source of this info: the Letterman show, they had on the curator of some museum which specializes in outlandish (and failed) inventions. He explained the history behind the thing and gave a little demonstration, locking Dave in it, and asking him if he felt any better afterwards. Personally, I think they should have left him in there. :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:20:33 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 17:44:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: Deep Purple's Slaves and Masters X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I am interested in other people's opinions of Deep Purple's new album "Slaves and Masters". Here is mine: A little background on me. I am a Rainbow and Joe Lynn Turner fanatic (liked his Rainbow, solo and Rising Force work). I thought Blackmore was one of the great guitarists of the 70s and early 80s, but has been left in the dust. Old DP is so-so. Perfect Strangers is GREAT. House of Blue Light is pretty boring. I liked Roger Glover's mask. If Joe Lynn Turner hadn't joined Deep Purple, I wouldn't have bought the album. Note: all following references to Rainbow really refer to the "Difficult to Cure" through "Bent Out of Shape" time frame. Slaves and Masters started with an awesome song "King of Dreams". Reminds me of good Rainbow (we do have 3 Rainbow members in this DP line up) like "Can't Happen Here". "The Cut Runs Deep" could pass as another Rainbow song similiar to "Death Valley Driver". Blackmore's solo and Paice's drumming are the only things that keep the song out of the boring dumpster. "Fire in the Basement" strikes me as a DP song instead of Rainbow. At this point in the album, Jon Lord's keyboards begin to grate on my nerves. They especially don't go well with Turner's vocals. This song is pretty generic DP. When it runs out of steam, Blackmore tries a solo to save it (doesn't work). "Truth Hurts" sounds like leftover Perfect Strangers' material that wasn't good enough to make that album. I think Ian Gillian would have been better suited for this song than Turner. Another average song. "Breakfast in Bed" shows that Joe Lynn Turner can sound okay with a Deep Purple type song. Good, but lyrics don't really fit the sound (ie the 80s DP sound doesn't not go well with a Turner love/relationship song). The solo is lame. "Love Conquers All" starts with pure strings (mistake on this sort of album). This song is a mellow Joe Lynn Turner type song. This is fine in my book, but I think Lord's keyboard work doesn't belong in this song. I will say unless you are a Turner fan you will probably not enjoy this song. "Fortune Teller" is a mellow DP song. The riffs in the chorus are particularly uninspired (I think I've heard them in another Blackmore song[s]). Getting bored with this album at this point. "Too Much is Not Enough" from the list of song writers is a leftover from Turner's solo album. It is very much a Turner upbeat song (like "the Race is On"). A good song, but Lord seems to not fit in it. Blackmore has a first class solo that as good as the ones on "Bent Out of Shape". "Wicked Ways" shows off the strength of DP's rhythm section. This song sounds halfway between Rainbow/Turner material and DP. Interesting. Above average. Not a good ending for the album. Overall, I was disappointed. In my book, I've never heard Turner sound worse or so boring. Blackmore seemed to have his moments and then seemed to fall asleep at others. Jon Lord has never been a favorite of mine and continues to show my why (not inventive). Glover does what he also does, which is get the job done without showing off. Ian Paice never impressed me before this album. He should be proud. The band needs to decide if they are DP or Rainbow. If they are DP, Turner needs to go because he is too mellow for them. At that point, I'll probably write DP off (hate to write Blackmore off but he has been going downhill since "Bent Out of Shape"). If they are really Rainbow, they should drop Jon Lord immediately and replace him with David Rosenthal, Jens Johannson, or someone along their lines and don't write anymore DP sounding songs. I expect to get some flames about this letter. ;) If anyone can post this letter to REC.MUSIC.MISC, I'd appreciate it (my system can't post at the moment). Billy >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:29:32 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 18:26:27 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Re:Slaves and Maters X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller er, Masters. First, I think Deep Purple should not be in this group, except for when they are being mentioned in relation to other bands. I love them, but they don't really belong here. They haven't really ever sung about anything that fits] in here. Unless someone else says "yes, they do belong here", I won't post my opinions. Feel free to mail me questions or comments about DP. For lack of a better word, I am violently opposed to the previous opinion. I will give opinions on those things I disagree with or agree with most. Yes, House of Blue Light is boring. 'nuff said. I hate to think anything on this album reminds anyone of something from Difficult to Cure. It is the only other Turner album I have, and thought he had one of the most boring voices ever. I should hope some of these strike you as Deep Purple songs - 4 of the members have been with them most of the time. Fire in the Basement is one of the better songs on the album (certainly not my favorite), but has Deep Purple-ish lyrics - tons of hidden sexual phrases with double meaning. Breakfast in Bed a Deep Purple style song? are you kidding? Strings at the beginning of a song should be irrelevant - DP has always used strings. The sorry thing about Love Conquers All is that DP sold out and did a ballad (it would have been ok - even good - if it was similar to old Rainbow ballads, but alas.) No wonder I thought Too Much is Not Enough sounds like a generic hard rock song...I thought that about all of Difficult to Cure. Wicked Ways is a great song - you're kidding yourself. The thing that I thought was most disappointing was that every single song was about sex/love. They have never done an album without songs protesting something, or writing stories about themselves. There may be exceptions in some of their more obscure stuff, like the album without Blackmore, or when they had Rod Evans singing, but I don't think so. In general, I thought Turner's voice was 300% better than it was on Diff to Cure. I almost DIDN'T buy the album when I heard he was singing. Saying Jon Lord is not inventive is ridiculous - ever hear Lazy? obviously not. Ian Paice has always impressed me - especially on songs like Fireball. I wish they'd never picked up Turner, but I'm glad they did. Their sound is a bit different, but not that much. They still are excellent musicians and excelent writers (HofBL excepted, and even some of those songs are pretty good). I wish they'd go back to their old style (Child in Time, their idea of a slow song at one time), but They sound good this way too. Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still BTW, I think they decided they were Deep Purple - look at the front of the CD/cassette case. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mccann%PLAINS.NODAK.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:31:00 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 21:51:19 -0600 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Lester I. McCann" Subject: BOC: Message on Buck's solo album? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller This question's for all you true die-hard BOC fans. (Who else would have this album?) On Buck's solo album "Flat Out," before the last song, there's about 30 seconds of what sounds like the reverse recording of someone's voice. Has anyone digitized that message and played it backwards to find out what it says? You have? Then just don't sit there! Tell us! Lester McCann "We have a donor!" mccann@plains.nodak.edu "Prep him! Prep him!" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:31:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 90 16:47:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX System Manager" Subject: RE: Huw Lloyd-Langton X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >Also, anybody know when (what album) he joined Hawkwind, and what he >did before that? He was an original HW member. Left before Doremi Fasol Latido. Then rejoined the new Hawkwind (new as in when they changed their name back from Hawklords). From what I've heard he left again after Xenon Codex. > How about Hassan I Sahba? > I am guessing he is a historical Islam assassin. >I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) > Well, spit it out, Steve. :) Billy >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Mon Nov 5 10:31:20 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 13:12:14 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Huw Lloyd-Langton, Orgone Accumulators :-) X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9011050203.AA00243@lynx>; from "V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" at Nov 4, 90 9:06 pm V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu says: > > >>I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) > >> > >Well, spit it out, Steve. :) > > [interesting stuff deleted ...] > This isn't the end of the Orgone saga (at least not here in Australia) since a couple of years ago a famous local racing car driver got together with some highly imaginative people to market a performance-enhancing device for car engines that utilised - you guessed it - Orgone energy. The venture never really got off the ground (and neither did the cars :-)) but it seems old ideas die hard. I was always under the impression that Orgones were related somehow to Jungian psychology - but then again I could be wrong, it's happened before :-) Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wilson%EOLA.CS.UCF.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:32:57 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 08:54:38 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Re: BOC: Message on Buck's solo album? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I hand-spun the record backwards on an old record player. The strange noise is a ping-pong ball! There is some talking. I believe they were talking about Australia. I don't really remember though. I know they were playing ping pong. I'll have to take the album back home and listen to it again. My record player here at school is one of those direct-drive types with the needle in the lid, thus I can't play it without closing it. If anyone is that desperate to hear it, send me a tape and I'll record it (send e-mail for my address). Did this album ever make it on CD? I doubt it. Tom >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!chris%PRAXIS.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 10:33:17 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 09:48:37 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Jones Subject: ADD X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message from "V061Q3X6" of Oct 16, 90 at 2:30 pm Hi, List of Hawkwind singles up until 80. Hurry on Sundown 70 Silver Machine 72 Urban Guerilla 73 Lord of Light 73 Pychedlic Warlords 74 Sonic Attack 74 Pardox 74 Kings of Speed 74 Kerb Crawler 75 Back on the Streets 77 Quark Strangeness and Charm 77 Hassan I Sahba 77 Psi Power 77 Silver Machine 78 25 Years 79 Shot Down in the Night 80 PLus Some US and French singles. More later, sorry it's taking me so long but..... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Jones | | | Praxis Systems plc, 20 Manvers St, BATH BA1 1PX, UK | Tel: +44 225 444700 | FAX: 225 65205 | chris%praxis.co.uk | chris%praxis.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mwm%SWLRS2.MSD.RAY.COM Mon Nov 5 10:36:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 08:51:01 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: mwm X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Lester I. McCann asks: >On Buck's solo album "Flat Out," before the last song, there's about >30 seconds of what sounds like the reverse recording of someone's voice. >Has anyone digitized that message and played it backwards to find out >what it says? You have? Then just don't sit there! Tell us! Well, I did this several years ago, before the digital age, so I'm sorry to say I did it the old-fashioned way, threw on an old cartridge and played it backwards on my turntable. It says "Do It, Do It, Do It". Just kiddin. Actually, it's a Ping Pong game with some mindless chit-chat. Sorry, I can't remember what is said, but I can assure you it was not the "deep secrets of BOC". Mark *Mark Marino * Now my mom and dad, *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * when they got it on, *Raytheon Co. * they took their clothes off, *Tewksbury, MA * they left the radio on. - Buck Dharma >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Mon Nov 5 10:36:54 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 10:38:02 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Re: What this group is about X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9011050241.AA03776@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET" at Nov 4, 90 9:41 pm Well, considering Steve's latest "let's stick to the subject folks" mailing, I must reply to the list. I should warn you beforehand that I might step on some toes here. Please realize that I don't do this maliciously or with spite, I simply feel the need to add my voice to the clamor. I really enjoy this list, you all provide a lot more interesting and intelligent information and insight (wow, look at all those 'i's!) than found on the newsgroups, and I refrain from flaming any of you. Even though I still think "Time Of The Hawklords" was a lame book ;)! > > ----------------------------------------------- > BOC-L exists to give us a forum to discuss "imaginitive" rock bands that > you would not otherwise have the opportunity to discuss. > ----------------------------------------------- > Yes, the reason I originally subscribed was the hole I perceive in the various Usenet rec.music groups and the other mailing lists I get. List title notwithstanding, please note that imaginative rock is the focus described here. > Obviously, BOC and Hawkwind are definitely in. Dio, Black Sabbath and > Iron Maiden I think are worthy of discussion, but I hesitate to talk > about them too much because you can always discuss them on "alt.rock-n-roll" > or "alt.r-n-r.metal". Ah, but therein lies the rub! Many of us in the non-university locations do not get the alt.* groups, and will never get them. This is why mailing lists are so useful, they give us opportunities we wouldn't have otherwise, and in a non-confrontational manner (unlike general newsgroups with the usual load of anonymous flamers). > Same thing with Deep Purple, Queensryche, and any > number of bands whose music contains an element of science fiction or the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > mystical. ^^^^^^^^ > [...] > So, lets try to stick MOSTLY to our main bands - BOC and HW. > Anyone care to venture a definition for "imaginative rock," then? I agree that the bonehead bands screaming "Satan is Lord" don't have a whole lot of imagination, but I can cite any number of bands/lyrics/songs that are loaded with imagination that aren't discussed. Not that all of them should be, but adhering to an essentially arbitrary band list is kind of silly, don't you think? Believe me, I can make a valid case for Black Flag as "imaginative" rock (ever hear "Around The Bars?"). I doubt most of you would concur, so I refrain from bringing up a lot of punk (is there a hardcore/punk list somewhere? Someone please give me info!). My primary question at this point is, what exactly is BOC-L? Is it a BOC/HW list, or is the focus on imaginative rock? The two are not necessarily synonymous. I understand that the list was started with BOC as a focus, and I'm not coming in at the end and trying to tell e list should be. I'm simply trying to find out what the general concensus is. Oh, my, and here it comes... I subscribed to BOC-L because it was described as a forum for imaginative rock. I don't really care for BOC in particular. If, however, all of you prefer to keep the discussion centered on BOC, that's cool. I just want to know what you consider kosher and what you consider pushing it as far as BOC-L subject matter. It seems that everything I've concentrated on (Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden, particularly) might be pushing it, and I don't want to abuse the list. If this actually is the case, then I propose changing the BOC-L description. Deemphasize "imaginative rock," and emphasize BOC and HW. Let's call apples apples, and not oranges. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!MATHER%POLLUX.BITNET Mon Nov 5 10:38:59 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 15:34:29 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Hassan I Sahba, Orgone Accumulators X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller Ok, blame OHM Steve for starting this: :-) > A few more questions: [...] > How about Hassan I Sahba? (You were joking with this one, right Steve?:) > I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) There have been many responses, none of which entirely hit the mark... Billy Barron, VAX System Manager : > > How about Hassan I Sahba? > > > I am guessing he is a historical Islam assassin. Getting warm... :-) > >I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) > > > Well, spit it out, Steve. :) Steve then spits out: > >I am guessing he is a historical Islam assassin. > > That sounds plausible to me. Anyone ever read Roger Zelazny's "This > Immortal"? One of the main characters is a renowned assassin by the > name of Hassan, and he almost seems like he might have been based on > some real historical figure... C'mon guys, your putting me on! Does the Order of Assassins mean anything to you? The Hashisheen(sp?) Alamut (sometimes spelled Alamout)? Hassan I Sabha (sometimes spelled Hasan I Sabbah) was the founder of the Order of Assassins. Founded circa the eleventh century, Hassan's order was based upon *absolute* devotion to their leader (him), so much so they would be prepared to lay down their very lives for him. How did he get such devoted followers? Well, in his fortress at Alamut, he had hidden away a "paradise on earth" containing plenty of wine, women, and song. Training of initiates was by progression through levels of "illumination". At one point however, initiates would be brought before Hasan. They would be slyly drugged and transported to "paradise". Upon waking they would find themselves in what must be heaven to them. After they'd spent a suitable amount of time in "heaven", they'd be drugged again and taken back before Hasan. He would then tell them that he had shown them a glimpse of heaven. However, it was only by *absolute* loyalty to Hasan that this heaven could be theirs once again (upon their death). With such a promise, his followers became devoted to serving their master Hasan, for whatever purpose he chose, safe in the knowledge that if they died in his service they would return to this heaven they'd glimpsed. Hasan's Assassins actually coined the term assassin. They ruled by terror, usually seizing power by assassinating ruling officials. Often their flame red emblem on a dagger would be left in the pillow of a sleeping victim to warn them what might have been. Usually this was suffucient to get them to tow the line. They would also be prepared to adopt the beliefs and ways of their enemies in order to inflitrate them (something which would be heretical to their religion, however because they were serving the higher cause of Hasan, it was permitted). Eventually they became *too* powerful and after siege their fortress of Alamut fell (can't remember the date). It is believed that many of their basic techniques were adopted by the Bavarian Illuminati under the umbrella of their "world revolution" manifesto. (All you people who've read _Illuminatus!_ should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for not remembering who Hassan I Sabbah was! :) > >>I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) > >> > >Well, spit it out, Steve. :) > > Oh, ok. :-) It's an invention by a slightly (?) wacko 19th century > physician, who believed that there was an as-yet "undiscovered"* element > in the environment (i.e. in the air) which he called Orgone. This > stuff was supposed to have wonderful rejeuvenating properties, according > to him. So he created this decice, called an Orgone Accululator, which > was essentially an upright wooden crate, with a stool in it, and a tiny > window in the door. You locked yourself in this contraption, and it > was supposed to let Orgone in, but not out, so that you would be exposed > to a high concentration of it, which would make you feel healthy, youthful, > and invigorated. :-) Of course, I believe the crate was lined with lead > or some such noxious stuff. :-) I don't know how many of these ridiculous > things he actually sold. Knowing this, go back and listen to the song again. > It's pretty funny. But Stuart Hungerford adds: > I was always under the impression that Orgones were related somehow to > Jungian psychology - but then again I could be wrong, it's happened > before :-) Well, Steve's explanation is valid as it stands. (I don't know if he's confusing it with the Victorian infatuation with *ozone* though which was also thought to have health-giving properties?) However, listening to the lyrics I think that it is actually referring to the Orgone Accumulators of Dr. Willhelm Reich. I'm probably doing him a disservice because I can't exactly remember too much about him but Reich's basic idea was that there was a basic energy in the universe which he termed "orgone energy". Drawing from the ancient tantric arts he felt that this energy was given off when people were having sex (amongst other things). His orgone accumulators were sort of cubicles in which people engaged in sex, with the resultant orgone energy being drawn off. His lab had a number of these cubicles, all feeding into the accumulator/battery. I'm not sure what he did with it when he'd accumulated it but I think the intention was to transfer this positive energy to other individuals (by discharging it into them). Of course, such sexual experiments led to a furore (his work was conducted in the first half of this century) and led to him eventually being jailed and his books burned. I think he died in jail, a broken man. (Again, anyone who's read _Schrodinger's Cat_ by Robert Anton Wilson (perhaps even _Illuminatus!_) should have at least heard of Dr. Willhelm Reich.) Any comments anyone? This educational interlude brought to you courtesy of: Paul Mather. :-) PS: If I remember rightly, in the Hawklords books the good guys used "orgone guns", a sort of gun which shot out a concentrated blast of Hawkwind music which upon striking the target would nullify the Death vibes that inflicted them. :-) PPS: Forgot to say that there's a description of the Order of Assassins on the GRASS archive server. Send a mail message containing only the word HELP to GRASS-REQUEST@WHARTON.UPENN.EDU for info on how to get the file. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ccmnate%BULLWINKLE.UCDAVIS.EDU Mon Nov 5 10:48:18 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 08:14:47 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Jester Subject: Re: BOC: Message on Buck's solo album? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I used to have Buck's album a long time ago, but it died an ignoble death. (my dog found it)...an unfortunate day thgat was.... Anyway, about the backwards recording: It is Buck and another guy playing pingpong. The are discussing miking the drums. The last line I remember was some comment about "Stereo Bongos...." Sorry, I don't remember everything that they said. Jester >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Mon Nov 5 10:48:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 18:30:11 +0200 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: RE: Huw Lloyd-Langton To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <0C3F428AF99FC09F6E@CSC.FI> Billy> He was an original HW member. Left before Doremi Fasol Latido. Yes, he was an original member. But actually he left right after the first album in September '70 and thus even before In Search Of Space. Well, the album cover says Xin Search... and while the discussion is on Accumulators and so on, what does this mean? Typo? // niko >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Mon Nov 5 12:46:17 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 12:13:21 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Re: What this group is about.... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Since I brought up the topic this time, I thought I'd explain: Deep Purple has never really sung about any mystical subjects or otherwise similar things. They come close with their song "Fortuneteller" on the new album, but even that's pretty much different. Although I have always throught Deep Purple has some of the msot imaginative lyrics around (who else could have come up with: A common cunning linguist), it is not of the nature that this list was intended. I am more than willing to discuss the band by e-mail, but since they are totally off base from the rest of the stuff on here, I just don't think they belong in this list. Dean C. Wagner Did you ever wonder why we had to run dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu for shelter with the promise of a wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu brave new world unfurled beneath the cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu clear blue sky - Pink Floyd Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and the Knights who say "Ni!" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 12:46:51 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 13:47:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: What this group is about To: Dieter Muller I said: >> So, lets try to stick MOSTLY to our main bands - BOC and HW. And Ron Rader answered: > Anyone care to venture a definition for "imaginative rock," then? I >.... > My primary question at this point is, what exactly is BOC-L? Is it >a BOC/HW list, or is the focus on imaginative rock? The two are not >necessarily synonymous. I understand that the list was started with >BOC as a focus, and I'm not coming in at the end and trying to tell >you all what the list should be. I'm simply trying to find out what the >general concensus is. > Oh, my, and here it comes... I subscribed to BOC-L because it was >described as a forum for imaginative rock. I don't really care for >BOC in particular. If, however, all of you prefer to keep the discussion >centered on BOC, that's cool. I just want to know what you consider >kosher and what you consider pushing it as far as BOC-L subject matter. >It seems that everything I've concentrated on (Black Sabbath and Iron >Maiden, particularly) might be pushing it, and I don't want to abuse >the list. If this actually is the case, then I propose changing the >BOC-L description. Deemphasize "imaginative rock," and emphasize >BOC and HW. Let's call apples apples, and not oranges. The term "imaginitive rock" was coined in an attempt to find a concise phrase to encompass the music of BOC/Hawkwind/Dio etc. I know this for a fact, because I'm the one who coined the term, and those were my reasons for doing so. If you actually want the "official" description, here it is: * Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List * * OWNER= swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) * * This group is for the discussion of imaginitive rock music in * general, as exemplified by such bands as Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, * Rainbow, and any music which has its basis in science fiction * or fantasy literature, mysticism or the occult. * But that definition is no more pertinent than what I just told you, because if at any point in the future I decide that it needs modifying or clarification, I will re-write it. This is the point though: This list was created to be a BOC/Hawkwind discussion group, and I generalized it later so as not to stifle the discussion of interesting "other" stuff. All I'm asking is for a little judgement from everyone. Ask yourself "does this belong on BOC-L, or does it belong on alt.rock-n-roll?" I've already said, I'm -NOT- going to censor the discussion. I just don't want people leaving because the group has gotten too far afield from its original intention. Which is to be about BOC and Hawkwind. Thanks. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!MATHER%ERIS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 12:47:37 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 16:34:12 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: What this group is about. X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Nov 4, 90 9:41 pm Just a *quick* comment to Steve's recent posting: > Obviously, BOC and Hawkwind are definitely in. Dio, Black Sabbath and > Iron Maiden I think are worthy of discussion, but I hesitate to talk > about them too much because you can always discuss them on "alt.rock-n-roll" > or "alt.r-n-r.metal". Same thing with Deep Purple, Queensryche, and any > number of bands whose music contains an element of science fiction or the > mystical. I like all of these bands, but we don't need BOC-L to talk > about them. Just like to point out I'm afraid there are some of us (myself included) who don't have USENET access and so can't follow the discussions on "alt.r-n-r.*". Personally I think *any* band which falls under the "imaginative" umbrella is fair game for discussion on this list *so long as people DO stick to the purpose of this list*. If a band only contains a minor element of the topics we're interested in then personally I'd like people to stick to discussing that minor element and not discuss the rest of their material which may be irrelevant *to THIS list*. 'Nuff said from me. We now return you to your originally scheduled programme... Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%SAGITTA.CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Mon Nov 5 17:36:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 10:08:19 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Hassan I Sahba, Orgone Accumulators X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9011051617.AA18773@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Nov 5, 90 3:34 pm Paul Mather says: > > [Very intersting stuff deleted ...] > > > >>I -do- however, know what an orgone accumulator is. :-) > > >> > > >Well, spit it out, Steve. :) > > > But Stuart Hungerford adds: > > > I was always under the impression that Orgones were related somehow to > > Jungian psychology - but then again I could be wrong, it's happened > > before :-) > > Well, Steve's explanation is valid as it stands. (I don't know if > > [More interesting stuff ...] > > Any comments anyone? Thanks for clearing that up - I guess I first heard the song _Orgone Accumulator_ about 11 years ago but I've never seen such a good explanation of Orgone energy. This guy Reich seems to have affected a lot of people - Kate Bush has a song called _Cloudbusting_ based, (I believe) on the experiences in a book written by Reich's son Peter Reich. (Before everybody flames me for mentioning Kate Bush on BOC-L - I won't do it again ;-) ) Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 5 17:36:53 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 18:58:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Orgone Accumulators and the meaning of life To: Dieter Muller >Ok, blame OHM Steve for starting this: :-) Oh, no ya don't! Somebody else started this thread, I just jumped on the bandwagon. :-) >There have been many responses, none of which entirely hit the mark... > Steve then spits out: > >I am guessing he is a historical Islam assassin. > > That sounds plausible to me. Anyone ever read Roger Zelazny's "This > Immortal"? One of the main characters is a renowned assassin by the > name of Hassan, and he almost seems like he might have been based on > some real historical figure... > >C'mon guys, your putting me on! Does the Order of Assassins mean >anything to you? The Hashisheen(sp?) Alamut (sometimes spelled >Alamout)? I thought that was a brand of Puppy Chow. :-) Actually, that explains a lot about the lyrics of Hassan I Sahba, and why it is that I can't understand them. :-) [explanation of Hassan's assassins deleted] >(All you people who've read _Illuminatus!_ should be thoroughly >ashamed of yourself for not remembering who Hassan I Sabbah was! :) Sorry Paul, we'll try harder next time, really we will. :-) >Well, Steve's explanation is valid as it stands. (I don't know if >he's confusing it with the Victorian infatuation with *ozone* though >which was also thought to have health-giving properties?) However, No, definitely not. The reason I am sure is because I was so shocked to find out that Orgone Accumulators really existed. I had a tape of that song ages ago, but I never suspected that >listening to the lyrics I think that it is actually referring to the >Orgone Accumulators of Dr. Willhelm Reich. I'm probably doing him a >disservice because I can't exactly remember too much about him but I dunno. You would be doing him more of disservice if you actually stated any of those crackpot theories of his in full... :-) Anyway, the thing you described -is- in fact what I was trying to describe, but remember I only saw one once, briefly, on TV, so my memory was sort of vague... >This educational interlude brought to you courtesy of: > >Paul Mather. :-) Henceforth to be known on this group as Professor Paul. :-) >PS: If I remember rightly, in the Hawklords books the good guys used >"orgone guns", a sort of gun which shot out a concentrated blast of >Hawkwind music which upon striking the target would nullify the Death >vibes that inflicted them. :-) Wow, what they can do with modern technology. :-) Stu says: > This guy Reich seems to have affected a lot of people - Kate Bush has a > song called _Cloudbusting_ based, (I believe) on the experiences > in a book written by Reich's son Peter Reich. It's called "Cloudbursting", actually. :-) But anyway, is that the thing in the song about how her (or his if the book was written by a guy) father was taken away by the government. You looked too small in their big black car to be a threat to the men in power .... I hid my yo-yo in the garden But I can't save you >from the Government oh, God, Daddy... Is that a reference to what Paul said about him getting locked up for his theories? > .... (Before everybody flames > me for mentioning Kate Bush on BOC-L - I won't do it again ;-) ) Oh, didn't I mention? You're allowed to do it once. :-) :-) - yHM Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!chris%PRAXIS.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 09:40:25 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 09:04:10 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Jones Subject: X X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message from "makila" of Nov 5, 90 at 6:30 pm > Yes, he was an original member. But actually he left right > after the first album in September '70 and thus even before In > Search Of Space. Well, the album cover says Xin Search... and > while the discussion is on Accumulators and so on, what does > this mean? Typo? Back in the very dark ole days Hawkwind were known as 'X'. I guess this Xin S... stuff is a hang over from ideas they had then. Check out Nik Turners Spyhinx (sp?) for more X stuff. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Jones | | | Praxis Systems plc, 20 Manvers St, BATH BA1 1PX, UK | Tel: +44 225 444700 | FAX: 225 65205 | chris%praxis.co.uk | chris%praxis.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!chris%PRAXIS.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 10:56:28 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 10:28:07 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Jones Subject: Hawkwind 4/11/90 Live X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message from "V061Q3X6" of Nov 5, 90 at 1:47 pm Hi, A couple of nights ago I undertook my yearly pilgrimage to see Hawkwind play live. I used to be a very regular thing but over the last few years I've stuck to just the one gig a year. Bristol Colston Hall 4/11/90 One of the many attractions of the Hawks for me is that they are never the same twice. This is true for both live and recorded performance. Sure, they remain true to their own style but there is always a surprise. I expected Bridgett to be the 'surprize' element, she was but there was more. I'd seen Bridgett on video and heard her on Space Bandits and in truth I had the feeling (mainly from the video) that she would be a bad thing for the band. I'll admit now that I was wrong here, infact she brought in elements not seen since the days of captain Bob. If things develop along these lines further I think that we could be once more heading for an "up-cycle". (What follows is inpart taken from a review of the first half of the winter 90 tour by Trevor Hughes of Hawkfan and from by own thoughts on the Bristol gig). A Calvertesque figure appears and signals in flourescent semaphore. The stage is black except for the glow of of the blue tubes highlighting the symbols of the amps and cabs. The giant screen behind the gears shows whirling circles of colour and the sound begins. The Space Bandits (Dave Brock, Harvey Bainbridge, Alan Davey, Richard Chadwick and Bridgett Wishart) open with Angels of Death. The sound is excellent, loud and cutting with none of the distorted mushyness that sometimes passes for PA. From here they go straight into Golden Void with images of flames playing across the backdrop. A lithe blond in flowing white robes dances with the pulsing wash of sound. Gone are the slides and images of the past 18 years to be replaced with more abstract images, spiralling circles of light and flashes of colour. Without HLL or SH the sound has a few holes and needs something? We'll see what next year brings! Bridgette appears and announces ejection by adlibbing ground control to pilot, and they're off once more in typical fashion. Dave is still too low in the mix but whats new? Time flows, the blond reappears topless in "hot-pants". Nice bod, but whats going on? Later she appears starkers except for a minimal G-string. I say again, "very nice bod" but this doesn't fit. She looks too straight, like she's just come off the beach, it doesn't fit. Back in the days of Stacia it was body paint and weirdness which was part of the theatre. This cutee stood out, she didn't fit it. All eyes were on her AND she couldn't dance. But nice bod. Bridgette remained fully clothed (excepted for the bit in the swim suit and goggles!) and she fitted!. She brought back the element of theatre that used to belong to Calvert and Turner AND she could dance. Alan`s Wings pulsed and weaved accompanied by synthized bird song. Harvey was having trouble with his synth setup but he covered it well. A figure appeared spinning torches (Kris?) and they were into "Out of the Shadows" with Brock's ferocious vocals and lead cutting trough. Next came an extend version of "Night of the Hawks" which flowed and merged into 'Back in the Box'. Here Bridgett was back into costume as she and Harvey acted out a version of the lyric. THe set closed with Images (I think?) and there was silence for the first time in 90 minutes. Soon they were back for an encore. MotU? Brainstorm? Magnu? No. Reefer Madness. Brilliant stuff! I can't recall them not playing Brainstorm or Masters before so it was a surprise that they didn't. It shows that they are confident, and the fact that I didn't really miss them shows the wealth of "classic" stuff they can call upon. On a scale of 1-10 I'd rate this a 6, which is good because I'm very critical of HW. I love their music, but I've seen them perform at a level that approaches religious enlightenment, so I have very high standards. I think they are been going through a down cycle over the past couple of years. I hope this points to the way up. I certainly think it does. If Simon or Huw came back the circle would be complete, for now it is open. What will 91 bring? May the Hawks go on forever. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Jones | | | Praxis Systems plc, 20 Manvers St, BATH BA1 1PX, UK | Tel: +44 225 444700 | FAX: 225 65205 | chris%praxis.co.uk | chris%praxis.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!swann%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Nov 6 11:37:51 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 12:25:06 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Intro to BOC-L X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Noramally I mail to people as they sign up, but since we got such a deluge of new people today, I'm just going to post it to save myself some trouble. :-) - Steve ---------------------------------------- Welcome! You have signed up on the Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List. In case you didn't review our header file before signing on, here's what this group is about (excerpted from BOC-L.LIST on listserv@ubvms): * Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List * * This group is for the discussion of imaginitive rock music in * general, as exemplified by such bands as Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, * Rainbow, and any music which has its basis in science fiction * or fantasy literature, mysticism or the occult. * I think that explains it pretty well. (Well, I -would- think so: I wrote it :-) So if you think you're in the right place, here's some other things you might be interested in: Here's what's available from the Imaginitive Rock Discussion Group This list last revised: 11/4/90 -------------------------------- How to fetch them: DISC LYRICS Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album. "DISC *", or "LYRICS *" are acceptable, but be warned that it will cause a deluge of mail. :-] Discographies: -------------- BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [getting there, getting there...] Rainbow [almost complete] Dio [from Elf to Black Sabbath so far] Black Sabbath [pretty much complete] Mekong Delta [beats me :-] Iron Maiden [needs singles, mostly] Motorhead [somewhat incomplete] Lyrics: First, a note regarding accuracy of lyrics. The lyrics that are "guaranteed" are the first 6 BOC albums, Buck Dharma's "Flat Out", HW's Chronicle of the Black Sword, and the Rainbow albums. The rest are the best attempt by the members of this group: i.e. mixed results. Hawkwind (all pre-1985 HW is in a single file: LYRICS Old HW) -------- 1977 Quark, Strangeness And Charm Damnation Alley [slightly incomplete] Spirit Of The Age [slightly incomplete] Quark, Strangeness And Charm [slightly incomplete] 1980 Levitation Motorway City [massively incomplete] Who's Gonna Win The War 1985 Chronicle Of The Black Sword Song Of The Swords The Sea King Zarozinia Sleep of a Thousand Tears Needle Gun Elric The Enchanter The Demise Horn Of Destiny Blue Oyster Cult ---------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [all songs] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation [all songs] 1974 Secret Treaties [all songs] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [all songs] 1977 Spectres [all songs] 1979 Mirrors [all songs] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Deadline [slightly incomplete] The Marshall Plan [slightly incomplete] Hungry Boys Divine Wind [slightly incomplete] Fallen Angel [incomplete] Lips In The Hills [almost complete] Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin [ All songs except "The Black And Silver" ] 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] 19?? Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album) [ all songs ] Black Sabbath (all old Sabbath (pre-1981) in one file: LYRICS Old Sabbath) ------------- 1969 Black Sabbath Black Sabbath The Wizard N.I.B. Warning Wicked World 1970 Paranoid War Pigs Iron Man Fairies Wear Boots 1971 Master of Reality Sweetleaf Children Of The Grave 1972 Vol. 4 Tomorrow's Dream Changes Snowblind 19?? Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath Am I Going Insane 1981 Heaven And Hell Neon Knights Children Of The Sea Lady Evil Heaven And Hell Rainbow ------- 19?? Bent Out Of Shape [all songs] 19?? Difficult To Cure [all songs] 1981 Straight Between The Eyes [all songs] Coming Attractions: I dunno, whatever I think of next... :-) ------------------------------------------ End of list. Now, here's a couple of other things: if you want to -contribute- something (lyrics, discographies, etc. That's how we got all the stuff we have available now!), then mail it to the same (v061q3x6) address, and make the "Subject:" line "ADD". We're especially in need of people who are good at figuring out lyrics. About a half dozen of us have been filling in the gaps in the albums listed above. If you think you can help, get in touch with me by mail. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Tue Nov 6 16:25:25 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 15:42:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Intro to BOC-l, addendum To: Dieter Muller Oops, I mailed that Intro file in sort of a hurry, (which -of course- accounts for the ridiculous spelling and grammatical errors in the first sentence! :-) But anyway, I forgot one very important point: Lyrics/discography requests get mailed to this address: v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu - or - v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet Use whichever version works better for your mailer. Posts, of course, are mailed to boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu or boc-l@ubvm.bitnet , again, whichever works better for you. People who have been on the list for a while, this is stuff you already know, it is being posted for the benefit of the people who just signed on. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jsp%PENGUIN.KEY.COM Wed Nov 7 12:46:42 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 15:52:25 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Saga's saga X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Ok, in the spirit of the recent discussion about what may or may not belong in this group I'd like to see if anyone out there has an interest in Saga. (If you don't, don't flame me, and I'll take the lack of response as a signal to never mention them here again.) I think they definitely fall into the "imaginative rock" category, at least their early stuff (probably through "Heads or Tales"). One thing that has fascinated me about their music since I first discovered it--and which I have never heard any other band or artist do--is their saga. For those who haven't had the pleasure, I refer to an eight chapter story that wends its way through their first four albums (two chapters on each). The chapters are not in order, in fact I think that chapter six shows up on the first album (the writer of the saga and the band's driving force, Michael Crichton, must have been pretty sure that he'd get to make the next three albums). Anyway, to anyone who has listened to any of it, the saga most definitely has a science fictional/fantastic element, and it is ripe with possibilities for discussions as to what the heck is really going on in the story. I have spent a goodly portion of time thinking about it, and would be very interested in exchanging thoughts with anyone else who has an interest in exploring the saga, or some of their other bizarre songs, like "The Perfectionist". BOC thought for the day: In "Veins", did he or didn't he? --James Preston >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Wed Nov 7 13:48:15 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:26:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Hawkwind 4/11/90 Live To: Dieter Muller Thanks, Chris, for your review of the HW concert. (Of course, now it just pisses me off -more- that I'm never likely to see them... :-) Anyway, though, I was wondering if any of the Brits on the net had any news of possible HW tours, (especially ones that might bring them to America?) ---- And hey, re: the "what this groups is about" thread, maybe we could institute an "OB"ligatory content rule, like they have on alt.sex and alt.joke. At the end of every post that didn't pertain to BOC/HW, we could append something like: OBboc: The reference to World Without End found in "Siege and Investiture..." is apparently taken from the writings of Aleister "The Beast" Crowley, and refers to an eternal "secular" world, as opposed to God's Eternal Kingdom. Thus the crime of the Baron is not the creation of eternal life, but his defiance of the will of God. Disclaimer 1: I'm joking about the OBboc, in case you were -really- wondering. I invite people to play along with it, nonetheless. :-) OBhw is also valid for the purposes of playing along with the joke. :-) Disclaimer 2: The religious stuff above is intended in a "literary" sense, to help explain the meaning of the song. I'm not definitely not a net.bible.thumper :-) - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Wed Nov 14 18:21:21 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 18:49:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: No, BOC-L isn't dead. :-) To: Dieter Muller Hiya Folks, Ok, those of you who have been on this list for a while know that this is normally a high-volume talk group. And so after more than a week of silence, the questions have started pouring in: "is the list down", "did my name get removed or something?". The answer is definitely no on the the second, and "I don't think so" on the first. It's just that nobody has posted lately, and your Humble Moderator has been too busy to think up something to kick-start the discussion again. :-) By the way, -do- let me know if I'm wrong. Has anybody tried to post from their site and had it fail? - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Wed Nov 14 20:50:27 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 90 20:38:51 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Re: No, BOC-L isn't dead. :-) X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller Everything has been just very busy on my end. I haven't had a whole lot of time to read posts, so I didn't really miss them anyway. BTW, I am steadily working on a Moody Blues discography. I need to get a couple more albums and I'll be okay. later, marty >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!swann%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Sat Nov 17 13:08:42 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 21:57:36 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: HW tour, (forwarded from alt.rock-n-roll) X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Article 13418 of alt.rock-n-roll: Path: ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!hzs From: HZS@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc Subject: Hawkwind tour! Message-ID: <90319.094529HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 90 14:45:29 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 18 Xref: ub alt.rock-n-roll:13418 rec.music.misc:57964 I received a phone call last night from a friend in Philadelphia, who told me that Hawkwind was scheduled to play the Ambler Cabaret (Amber Cabaret?) on Friday, Nov. 30. Now, I get the Kadu Flyer, and Brian Tawn's newsletter >from England, but neither of them mentioned Hawkwind returning to the U.S. Has anyone heard anything? Does anyone have a complete tour list? I saw them once last tour, and would love to see as many shows as I can this time around, if they are indeed coming back. And the big question: will Huw be with them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hal Siegel \ Let's not talk of love and flowers, and things that \ don't explode, you know we used up all of their hzs@psuvm.psu.edu \ magic powers tryin' to do it in the road ..... \ Hawkwind - "Urban Guerrilla" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Penn State is not responsible for my opinions. I am certainly not responsible for theirs. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mwm%SWLVX2.MSD.RAY.COM Mon Nov 19 12:54:51 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 90 08:44:35 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: mwm X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Subject: Hawkwind in U.S. Dudes, I was looking in the Boston Pheonix this weekend and I saw that Hawkwind was scheduled to play at the Boston club, The Channel. I can't remember the exact date, but it was soon, I think next week. Maybe I'll go check em out, see what the fuss is about. Too bad we can't get a BOC/HW double bill! Mark *Mark Marino * The old ranger weathered the storm and he topped the *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * rise by the middle of morn. He saw rippled dunes, *Raytheon Co. * calm and surreal, and a glint of a solitary shaft of *Tewksbury, MA * chromium steel. The Golden Age of Leather >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Mon Nov 19 12:55:07 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 90 10:37:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Hawkwind in the US. To: Dieter Muller Mark Marino says: > I was looking in the Boston Pheonix this weekend and I saw that Hawkwind >was scheduled to play at the Boston club, The Channel. I can't remember the >exact date, but it was soon, I think next week. Maybe I'll go check em out, >see what the fuss is about. Too bad we can't get a BOC/HW double bill! Also keep your eyes open in the Phoenix for Soft White Underbelly. While I was in college in Boston, BOC played 2 shows under that name. I missed 'em both, though, dammitall. If you go to see Hawkwind, see if anybody knows anything about further dates in this country or Canada, willya? Like, especially if they're coming "inland"... I was hoping they would come closer to Christmas. I have two friends here who would be willing to make a road trip with me to see HW in Boston. Anyway, see if they're playing anyplace else! Thanks, Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From dworkin Mon Nov 19 23:33:32 1990 To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: hawkwind US tour : If you go to see Hawkwind, see if anybody knows anything about further : dates in this country or Canada, willya? Like, especially if they're : coming "inland"... >From an ad in the Friday, November 16, 1990 Rocky Mountain News: Hawkwind Thursday, December 13 8pm Mercury Cafe 2199 California Denver, CO Tickets at ``Across the Trax'', ``Albums on the Hill'', and Ticket Master -- (303) 290-TIXS. Produced by ``nobody in particular presents''. If I don't space it again, I'll call Albums to find out if it's the real Hawkwind, or some sort of name duplication. Dworkin See you at Al Packer's Legendary Coronary Fast-Food Cannibal Bar and Buffet dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 (1000 - 1800 Mountain) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!carlisle%LAB1.SMCM.EDU Wed Nov 21 09:37:19 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 17:51:03 GMT-0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Jamie Carlisle Subject: Jane's Addiction X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Hello Everybody, Is anyone out there a fan of Jane's Addiction, they are incredible in concert. If anyone is a fan too or if anyone is into any imaginative and really good new bands write my box Carlisle@lab1.smcm.edu I also want to know if there is a new music (college) discussion list to subscribe to. Please send the address. Jamie >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jhm%EBAY.SUN.COM Wed Nov 21 09:37:23 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 13:59:27 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Re: Jane's Addiction X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller > I also want to know if there is a new music (college) discussion list >to subscribe to. Please send the address. Mail to nm-list-request@beach.cis.ufl.edu, the list is nm-list@beach.cis.ufl.edu (mail there if you don't get any response after a week or so from -request, somebody will know the operator's 'home' mail address, I don't offhand...) scorch >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CFARMER1%UA1VM.BITNET Wed Nov 21 09:37:28 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 20:37:26 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chet Subject: Re: Jane's Addiction To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 20 Nov 90 17:51:03 GMT-0500 from I agree; I first heard Jane's Addiction about 3 years ago at a party--it was that first, all live album. Really neat. I've been following them pretty closely, but I missed my only opportunity to see them b/c I had to work. Damn. -chet >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!swann%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Nov 25 15:19:01 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 90 15:03:17 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Hawkwind in Toronto X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I just read on alt.rock-n-roll that Hawkwind will be at the Diamond in Toronto on Dec 4. Any of you folks in the Western NY/Southern Ontario area want to make a road trip of it? :-) Or better yet, does anybody know if they'll play a Buffalo date? Here's the article, trimmed a bit for brevity. I wrote to the fellow who posted and asked him for more detailed info. Does anybody have a list of tour dates? One of you guys who gets one of the HW newsletters maybe? your Humble Moderator :-) Steve --- Article 13708 of alt.rock-n-roll: Path: ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!eecg.to ronto.edu!eric From: eric@eecg.toronto.edu (Eric Smith) Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll Subject: Re: Hawkwind tour! Message-ID: <1990Nov23.182752.3023@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Date: 23 Nov 90 23:27:52 GMT Organization: EECG, University of Toronto In article <1990Nov19.133741.26815@cck.cov.ac.uk> cmg996@cck.cov.ac.uk (Martin-Martin Nike) writes: >In article <90319.094529HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> HZS@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >!I received a phone call last night from a friend in Philadelphia, who told >!me that Hawkwind was scheduled to play the Ambler Cabaret (Amber Cabaret?) >!on Friday, Nov. 30. Now, I get the Kadu Flyer, and Brian Tawn's newsletter >!from England, but neither of them mentioned Hawkwind returning to the U.S. >!Has anyone heard anything? Does anyone have a complete tour list? >!I saw them once last tour, and would love to see as many shows as I can this >!time around, if they are indeed coming back. > >I saw Hawkwind in Leicester two weeks ago ,and the lineup was .. > >Dave Brock - Guitars/synth/vocal >Allan Davey - Vocals/synth/bass >Harvey Bainbridge - Vocals/synth >Richard Chadwick - drums >Bridgett wishart - vocals/silly costumes > >No Huw I'm afraid, or Simon House. > >If you get a chance to see Hawkwind , then dont miss out on it. >They are stunning! >-- >Martin-Martin Nike ,Coventry Polytechnic,England Just heard on the radio that they will be playing the Diamond in Toronto on December 4th. I would be interested in seeing what sort of turnout the band will attract in T.O.. Eric Smith Generic Design Systems Corporation (416) 236-0908 1199 Islington Ave. eric@eecg.toronto.edu Etobicoke, Ont. CompuServe: 72371,3015 M8Z 4T2 GEnie: E.SMITH29 >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tex%BSU-CS.BSU.EDU Sun Nov 25 21:19:15 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 90 17:28:44 -0500 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Buck Dharma @ Club Ninja" Subject: Re: Hawkwind in Toronto X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller What label is Hawkwind under? >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!90302019%KRSNUCC1.BITNET Mon Nov 26 08:31:56 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 90 13:30:20 EXP Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "park y.n" Subject: Re: Hawkwind in Toronto To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 25 Nov 90 15:03:17 EST from what's the alt.rock-n-roll? a kind of netnews? could you tell me the way to access it? thank you in advance. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!eric%EECG.TORONTO.EDU Mon Nov 26 14:27:16 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 90 15:26:42 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Eric Smith Subject: Hawkwind in Toronto X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: "park y.n"'s message of Mon, 26 Nov 90 08:30:20 EST <90Nov26.011652est.2631@godzilla.eecg.toronto.edu> Yes, alt.rock-n-roll is a kind of netnews, it was set up because the signal-to-noise ratio on the rec.music.misc newsgroup was too low. Unfortunately you seem to have a bitnet account, and I can't give you any tips on how to access a.r-n-r from there. Perhaps someone else can help. Eric Smith >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Tue Nov 27 11:28:55 1990 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 90 09:57:01 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Hawkwind Live X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller I just bought my first Hawkwind CD for $6.99 and was impressed. However, I'm sure this was not their best. I got "The Best of & the Rest of Hawkwind Live" mainly because it was cheap. It was the first time I had ever seen HW in a record store (and they had 3 of their albums!). One of the other albums was "Space Bandits" which I believe y'all have been saying is a new album. It was for about $17. Basically, I was looking for comments on the album I picked up. Any opinions? Interestingly, that trip to the record store was also the first time I had ever seen Camel on CD and Van der Graaf Generator on CD. Truly a fortuitous find! Later, marty schwartz >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!cks%HAWKWIND.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU Wed Nov 28 16:10:55 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 90 17:24:07 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Chris Siebenmann Subject: Re: Hawkwind in Toronto X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 26 Nov 90 15:26:42 -0500. <90Nov26.154521est.272@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu> [a small note from the nitpicker:] While alt.rock-n-roll is currently somewhat useful because of the high signal- to-noise ratio on rec.music.misc, that's not why it was created. In the message that created it, Brian Reid wrote (roughly): "Now Usenet has sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll." alt.rock-n-roll was created right after alt.drugs, as a joke. To make this more related to the purpose of this list, what are people's favorite Hawkwind CD's? I'm a fan of SPIRIT OF THE AGE, which is a ~70 minute collection of a bundle of stuff from the Calvert era ('72 to '76 or so?), all apparently taken from the original recordings, not from live shows (a common failing in many of the compilation albums). It's an import from Virgin UK, and seems to show up with fair regularity in the shops around Toronto. Virgin UK seems to be rereleasing a number of Hawkwind albums -- have they become the official Hawkwind rerelease label? Anyone know how extensive a set of re-releases they're planning? Any idea if Moorcock's album will ever be re-released in any form? --- "You don't *run* programs on Ultrix." - Mark Moraes "Right, you chase them." - Rayan Zachariassen cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu ...!{utgpu,utzoo,watmath}!utgpu!cks >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!jsp%PENGUIN.KEY.COM Thu Nov 29 15:58:26 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 10:44:44 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: silliest incidental lyric X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Ok, so absolutely no one cares about Saga. Hmph. There's been way too much Hawkwind stuff recently. It's time for another BOC question. I've been trying to come up with something really interesting to ask, but I can't seem to think of anything really deep, so I'll settle for something totally meaningless. I'm listening to _Club Ninja_ right now. In the song "When the War Comes", there are these really ridiculous "Ooga chakas" messing up what would otherwise be a normal instrumental break. What the _hell_ are those doing in there? I hereby nominate them for The Most Silly BOC Incidental Lyric of all time (it was a hard choice between these and the "pretty girls can't look away" in "Mirrors"). Other nominations are invited. The only rule is that, to qualify, it must be a lyric that is repeated throughout the song. So that backwards sequence in that song whose title I can't remember from _Mirrors_ doesn't qualify. --James Preston P.S. I'm still interested in answers to the BOC question from my Saga post: In "Veins", did he or didn't he? >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Nov 30 09:53:16 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 18:31:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: BOC / Saga / Masters of Reality / Dio To: Dieter Muller James Preston feels snubbed: >Ok, so absolutely no one cares about Saga. Hmph. Actually, I liked the couple of Saga tunes that I have heard, but I don't know anything about them. i.e. not enough to initiate any sort of an intelligent discussion. [anyone who suggests that that doesn't usually stop me will be removed promptly from the list! :-) ] > There's been way too much Hawkwind stuff recently. Correction: the BOC people have been too quiet lately. :-) I mean, imagine people having to ask if THIS list, this huge bandwidth eating list, was still active? Absurd! >I'm listening to _Club Ninja_ right now. In the song "When the War Comes", >there are these really ridiculous "Ooga chakas" messing up what would otherwi >be a normal instrumental break. What the _hell_ are those doing in there? I >hereby nominate them for The Most Silly BOC Incidental Lyric of all time (it >was a hard choice between these and the "pretty girls can't look away" in >"Mirrors"). Other nominations are invited. Well, I would nominate Club Ninja as The Most Silly BOC Incidental Album, but I know that would stir up violent controversy, and everyone knows we wouldn't want THAT... :-) You should probably get some sort of prize for getting me to listen to any song after "Dancing In The Ruins" :-) Anyway, I nominate the "lonely, lonely" background vocals in Lonely Teardrops. Or the refrain of True Confessions. Egads. :-) >P.S. I'm still interested in answers to the BOC question from my Saga post: >In "Veins", did he or didn't he? Well, either he did it and he's repressing, or he didn't and he was hallucinating. _I_ think he did it. ;-) Do people agree that these are the correct lyrics? I open my eyes from a dreamless night With a sense of dread you could cut with a knife Still thinking that maybe I killed somebody No no no no way I have killed somebody Veins in my eyeballs Damage I have done Veins on the stairway Veins in my skull I visit my friend We have a fight I'm drinking his whiskey I'm wanting his wife Then the image goes black, Did I kill somebody Cause there's really no clue There's no clue That I killed somebody Veins in my eardrums Banging at my door Veins in my brainwaves Veins on the floor I get the shivers and I've got the shakes He was screaming my name like there's no mistake Can't belive it's true that I killed somebody But I just don't know I don't know Did I kill somebody Veins on the sidewalk Veins know the score Veins in on my ??? Veins evermore... ------- And with that, we just made a start toward doing the lyrics to Revolution by Night. (See that took me 5 minutes, and now I'll leave it to perfectionists like Phil, m@, Tom, and Ben to sit for an hour with headphones to make sure I got 'em all right... :-) Hey, I picked up a copy of Masters of Reality on CD. Everybody was both right and wrong about them. Yes they play some sappy stuff. No that's not most of their work. These guys could be really good if they would alternate between types of music by doing whole albums of each kind instead of mixing them randomly. They clearly haven't decided whether they want to be a cult rock band like BOC/Hawkwind, or whether they want to be Country/Western. It's the Neil Young Syndrome. :-) Anyway, I -do- recommend the album to any and all BOC fans who have run out of BOC (or Hawkwind!) to collect. :-) Rhetorical question: -------------------- How come this list never developed a Dio thread? Do people not like him, or think there's nothing interesting to discuss about him? Well those are the things that have been in the back of my mind while I've been too busy to pay much attention to the list. I'm back now, where are the rest of you? :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!borellms%CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU Fri Nov 30 09:58:50 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 19:22:05 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Mike Borella Subject: Club Ninja, Sex, Drugs... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Hey Steve, don't snub Club Ninja! It's my most extra-special-favorite BOC album!! It saved my life!! Back in '86 I was about to go off the deep edge and buy a Madonna disc when I saw CN on the new releases rack (then in the 'bargain bin' two days later). It's a great album; quintessential BOC! Anybody who receives this list and doesn't listen to CN at least 2 times a day should be emasculated (or something equally degrading for women)! (how's that for generating discussion? Direct all flames to Hell.) Actually, CN is pretty lame, IMHO, except for White Flags. I love that song! I was thinking of buying the disc (if I ever see it for around $5) just for that song and Dancing... BTW, anybody who pays more than $10 for any BOC disc is getting ripped off. Twoer has them for $7.99 a piece. Oh Well. Whatever. ***************************************************************************** ** Michael S. Borella ** Dept. of Math and Comp. Science ** ** borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu ** Clarkson University ** ***************************************************************************** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ccmnate%BULLWINKLE.UCDAVIS.EDU Fri Nov 30 10:00:51 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 17:05:45 PST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Jester Subject: Re: Club Ninja, Sex, Drugs... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Hey! Let's all bash our least favorite BOC album!!! Oh my, It seems that I am to be witness to yet another bash of "The Album Most Deserving of Cribdeath"." Well, truth to be had, the album was a disappointment to me when I got...(the day it was released...I waited for it with baited breath)...and after listening to it, I put it in with the rest of my BOC records (yes...I have records) and promptly pulled out my battered copy of Secret Treaties. I must say, however, that after having listened to Club Ninja quite a few times (over the past 4 years), I have developed an appreciation for it. It DOES have some good points. Of course, whether or not the good of the album outweighs the cliche of the album is debatable... a debate I don't want to get into. But I *do* want to say that I *like* the songs Perfect Water and Madness To The Method. Both are sufficiently obscure in theme and general imagery to rank with their earlier songs. They both treat rather unpleasent subjects in such a way as to make them seem almost fun. Sort of a "reverse sarcasm." On those days when I get home and don't feel like listening to BOC, mainly because I have listened to them SO MUCH, I just pull out Club Ninja. I never seem to get tired of it....mainly because I have not "over-listened" to it. Now to other things.....most lame lyrical thing? Well, let me tell you about a tape I have...it's a BOC compilation put out by CBS masterworks....on it, there is a remixed version of Career of Evil...it has a funny lyrical change: Instead of: I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road... They changed it to: I'd like to do it like an otter on a dirt road. Like an otter on a dirt road? Why? Was doing it to someone's daughter too naughty a concept to include on a compilation tape? I must admit, I get some perverse satisfaction out of singing that line when listening to the song....It's just so wierd.... Well, it seems that I am blathering...so I will take this chance to ask something that has been plagueing me for a long time. Something that is actually quite insignificant..... On Agents of fortune, the Reaper's main riff is played in the key of A minor. But on every live version I have heard, it is in the key of B minor. Ok...now the kicker....when I see them live, Buck has his guitar tuned up a step, so that when he plays in A, the sound coming out is transposed into the key of B. So HE is still playing in the key of A, but EVERYONE else is in B. Why? To facilitate that nifty feedback note at the end of the solo? Maybe it is easier to get the note A to feedback than it is to get the note G to feedback...anyone out there care to venture a guess? The Jester ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Fri Nov 30 10:05:14 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 20:06:34 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Rainbow question X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I really love the vocals on Down to Earth, but know nothing about Graham Bonnet. Has he been in any other bands that I would have heard of? Solo? hmmm? On the first song, he sounds like the vocalist for Slade, but that's the only song I thought this... Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wilson%EOLA.CS.UCF.EDU Fri Nov 30 10:09:19 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 04:20:09 GMT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Club Ninja X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Wow! This is getting to look like net discussions. I happen to like a few songs from CN very much. I'm glad to stand alone even if it's with the pathetic and not the elite.... Anyway, my favorite is definitely Shadow Warrior. It reminds me very much of Veteran of the Psychic Wars (which doesn't mean I think it is as good). Veteran' on the Heavy Metal album is what turned me on to BOC. Even though I liked some of their previous music, I never bought any until then. Shadow Warrior has a solo that reminds me very much of the solo in Vetern' on ET Live. I also like Beat 'em Up and Make Rock Not War for their heaviness, which is something that seems to stand out more on BOC's live albums than their studio releases. I like When the War Comes because it's so different from many of their songs. I think this album may be lacking what many of you want because (I assume) the group was going through turmoil trying to replace the members that left. This might have made it diffuclt putting the music together. I don't really care, it's got BOC on it. If BOC came out with another album of Club Ninja quality and you wouldn't buy it, why do you subscibe to this mail group anyway? (Hawkwinders ignored) I don't mean to imply you have to love every song, but if they were all equally superior then there would be nothing to differentiate them from be equally mediocre. Tom >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Fri Nov 30 10:12:11 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 21:19:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: boc/dio/mastersofreality/this list/saga To: Dieter Muller I used to like Saga from the "Worlds Apart" time period, but after they put out songs like "I'm the Flyer", I lost interest. I've seen them live in Toronto at Massey Hall once.....I wasn't impressed, it was like hearing the album songs being played verbatim. I don't know if their songs would fit into the suggested 'imaginative rock' category-criteria. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have BOC's Club Ninja (I've been told to save my money and stay away from it!), so I can't give an opinion on the ooga-chukas...is that a vocal vamp? or a musical vamp? I've never heard the song "Veins" either (I must have some black holes in my BOC collection!), but from Steve S's lyrics, I'd say he'd must have did it (killed whatever, or at least believed he is guilty of killing something, or having done something that led to it, or something or other) I'd have to hear the song to see if vocal inflection gives anything away. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I've heard only two songs from Masters Of Reality, "Candy Girl" (??) and "Domino" I didn't like the first one much (maybe it hasn't grown on me yet), but I did like "Domino" though, catchy rhythm guitar. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dio....dio dio dio.... Once thing I notice about his lyrics, is that he reuses certain phrases a lot, sometimes in ways that dont really fit semantically, but they just happen to rhyme... like 'lost and never found' '...rainbow...' I liked his work with Black Sabbath the best, especially on the album Live Evil. His solo stuff started to lean towards fantasy, but with the lat couple of albums, it seems that he's swung over to thrash or semi-speed metal. Whether or not his stuff fits on this list....who knows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As for what groups should, shouldn't be discussed on this list, I don't think it would be fair to put restrictions on a band/artist without at least one post to bounce the idea to the list. That way, said band/artist is given at least one chance to have a possible discussion initiated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One last fragment (sorry about all the different topics, but I'd rather just send out one message to cut down on useless mail path address headers) : Regarding art, such as for Elric 'comics/cartoons', the other day I was about to buy a book similar to the Roger&Martin Dean books ("Views","Magnetic Storm") This book was published by Paper Tiger, in the U.K. I assume. Unfortunately my sieve of a memory will not bring forth the artists name (Robert M......) or the book title, you cant mistake the book format though, its square- shaped and about the size of an album, and a centimeter thick. Why didn't I buy it? It cost 8.95 pounds....which the bookstore said cost $19.95 US. there were a few renditions of Elric from different novels in there, among a myriad of unbelieveable lifeforms and scenes from other book covers, etc. - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // Internet access one of these days. DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Fri Nov 30 10:13:47 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 21:32:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: rainbow/graham bonnet To: Dieter Muller Dean Wagner asks : >I really love the vocals on Down to Earth, but know nothing about Graham >Bonnet. Has he been in any other bands that I would have heard of? Solo? >hmmm? On the first song, he sounds like the vocalist for Slade, but that's >the only song I thought this... I think he used to be with Alcatrazz when Yngwie Malmsteen was playing with them. Does the Rainbow album Down to Earth have "Since you've been gone" on it? - Alv >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CSPASZT%ECUVM1.BITNET Fri Nov 30 10:27:16 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 90 23:56:19 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CSPASZT%ECUVM1.BITNET To: Dieter Muller Hello, I've just subscribed to this list(and many, many others) so I would appreciate a rundown of the things that can be talked about here. I would also like to know what BOC stands for. For all help that may be forthcoming.... Thanks a whole bunch, Stan Paszt. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |"AND THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE. SHEESH!!" | STAN J. PASZT, JR.|| | | POET EXTRAORDINARE|| |====================================================================| | STAN (JOJO) PASZT CSPASZT@ECUVM1.BITNET AD&D PLAYER (DM?) | | ^RELAY NICKNAME | | | | "DON'T FEEL USELESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS BE USED AS A BAD EXAMPLE!" | \ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Fri Nov 30 11:12:51 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 08:15:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: RE: Rainbow question X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >I really love the vocals on Down to Earth, but know nothing about Graham >Bonnet. Has he been in any other bands that I would have heard of? Solo? >hmmm? On the first song, he sounds like the vocalist for Slade, but that's >the only song I thought this... > His other major band was Alkatrazz. They had three albums: No Parole from Rock n Roll (Yngwie Malmsteen) Distrubing the Peace (Steve Vai) Dangerous Games (Danny Johnson I think - I know you haven't heard of him) Distrubing the Peace is a great album. I normally hate Steve Vai (love Satch though), but I like him on that album (may listen when I get home). Actually, Alkatrazz was the band that made Yngwie (he went to his Rising Force immediately afterwards) and Steve Vai was pick up by David Lee Roth. He also supposedly did some solo stuff that I've never heard or seen. Finally, I think he sang with MSG for a while. Not many singers have the opportunity to work with Blackmore, Michael Schneker, Yngwie, and Vai... Any word on him since Dangerous Games? Billy billy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu billy@untvax >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BILLY%VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU Fri Nov 30 11:13:44 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 09:16:00 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Club Ninja - a different viewpoint X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller I'm waiting to get flamed on this one. I actually like Club Ninja (in fact, listened to it last night). It is popish for BOC, but it has a nice flow. My BOC tastes are strange from the discussion of the group. There was a lot of discussion of old guard versus new guard. I like the first three albums and the material since (and including) Revolution by Night. Though the middle albums have some of the GREAT BOC songs, I don't like those albums as whole albums... Billy >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!wagner%SUMTER.CSO.UIUC.EDU Fri Nov 30 11:26:29 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 11:57:25 CST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Dean Wagner Subject: Graham Bonnett X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Or is that 1 t? I forget....anyways, Yes, Down to Earth has whatever song was asked about (I forget, it's scrolled off) Speaking of it being odd to work with both Blackmore and Ynwie, or however that's spelled, I had been told previously that Malmsteen gives credit to Ritchie Blackmore on all of his albums (not sure why)...Also, it's odd that Joe Lynn Turner and Graham Bonnet (or is that tt?) have both sung in bands that Blackmore and Malmsteen were in, or sung for them. Dean Wagner Please lead the way dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu So the unborn can play wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu On some greener hill cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Fools, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and Fools die laughing still >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Nov 30 15:33:55 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 13:16:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Graham Bonnett To: Dieter Muller Dean sez: >Yes, Down to Earth has whatever song was asked about (I forget, it's scrolled >off) Yep. It was either Since You Been Gone, or All Night Long. (I always mix 'em up for some reason). They're on Down To Earth (And Rainbow's Greatest Hits, for those of us who got lazy) >Speaking of it being odd to work with both Blackmore and Ynwie, or however >that's spelled, I had been told previously that Malmsteen gives credit to >Ritchie Blackmore on all of his albums (not sure why)...Also, it's odd that >Joe Lynn Turner and Graham Bonnet (or is that tt?) have both sung in bands that >Blackmore and Malmsteen were in, or sung for them. And as for Bonnett's (sp?) other bands, he was with Alcatrazz (sp?) and the "new" speed-guitarist Impelliteri (sp?, jeez am I on a roll or what?) They even did a cover of Since You Been Gone on Imp's debut album. I like the Rainbow version a LOT better. Speaking of speed guitarists, are any of Yngwie's albums worth bothering with? I mean, yeah he was fast, but I thought he was sort of lifeless. But some of his albums deal with "Imaginitive" topics, i.s. mythology etc, and I was wondering if he improved with time...? (I haven't heard anything by him in ages). Opinions? - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!borellms%CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU Fri Nov 30 15:34:46 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 13:33:44 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Mike Borella Subject: Is Yngwie worthwhile? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller RE: Is Yngwie worthwhile? Opinion on: Yngwie's first album was a masterpiece. Mostly instrumental, and done with class. He influence a whole generation of metal guitarists with the "Bach-n-Roll" speed style. However, his playing gets tiresome because he "overuses" his incredible speed. After 3 albums of blistering solos, the speed becomes less impressive, especially since his songwriting skills are poor. Too much of a good thing. Opinion off ***************************************************************************** ** Michael S. Borella ** Dept. of Math and Comp. Science ** ** borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu ** Clarkson University ** ***************************************************************************** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Nov 30 15:42:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 14:58:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Request from yHM To: Dieter Muller If anybody out there has a reasonably complete compilation of the posts to this group (preferably since the time when we started the list out of my v061q3x6 address), could you please get in touch with me (by mail)? Even if you "only saved the ones that you liked". - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Fri Nov 30 15:51:54 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 23:39:39 +0200 Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: On His Feet But Who's On The Seat (BOC) X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller Well, you wanted some discussion about BOC, so here comes the big one (hopefully). On OYFOOYK (<-looks nice) it is said: Albert Bouchard: Drums, Guitar & Vocal On "Cities On Flame" So who's that drumming on that one? Also it seems like at one point they change and Albert drums the rest of the song. Has anyone listened to ME262 closely? How many guitars are there? Could they all possibly be playing guitars (and bass) in the 'great-strum-jam'? (Like in the inner cover.) Oh yes, and I means the OYFOOYK ME262. So there you have. // niko Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:19 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 5570; Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:16:10 EST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 16:17:58 EST From: rader Subject: RE: Yngwie Malmsteen Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org In-Reply-To: <9011301823.AA27431@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET" at Nov 30, 90 1:16 pm X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Steve speaks... > > Speaking of speed guitarists, are any of Yngwie's albums worth bothering > with? I mean, yeah he was fast, but I thought he was sort of lifeless. > But some of his albums deal with "Imaginitive" topics, i.s. mythology > etc, and I was wondering if he improved with time...? (I haven't heard > anything by him in ages). Opinions? > I have the first two Rising Force albums (don't remember the names, how about "Rising Force" and whatever the second was ;) ). My impression of Yngwie is that he has the technical side down pat. The classical influence is VERY pronounced. Yes, he plays really really fast, but I don't know if I would lump him in the huge crowd of million-miles-per-hour-arpeggio guitarists all playing the same basic my-cock-is-bigger-than-yours guitar solos. I enjoy listening to his work, but primarily for relaxation. His work is just not very emotional. It all sounds really cool, but doesn't grab my heart and wrench it out and squish it between the strings ;). To be honest, as far as emotion goes, Yngwie is pretty uninspired. Other than Malmsteen's fretwork, Rising Force's musicianship is decent. They act like Yngwie's backup band, though, meaning Yngwie's work is the only stuff that's really emphasized. And some of the lyrics REALLY SUCK! Check this out: "I am a Viking, I'll walk all over you, and by my sword you will die..." and so on. Admittedly, some of the songs are OK lyrically, but the boners are more than a few. They're really funny in a Spinal Tap sort of way, so if you want to amuse yourself, figure out all the lyrics and imagine someone actually thinking these profound. All in all, he's OK, but nothing to write home about. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:21 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 5705; Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:18:29 EST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 17:14:12 CST From: Dean Wagner Subject: BOC song subject Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA I'm sorry this'll be vague, but I haven't listened to the album in a while and forget what the song title is. The last song on Fire of Unknown Origin (After Dark, maybe?) has several interesting lines, such as: You'll use that special option in your car The big question: Does this also refer to Heavy Metal, about Harry (hairy?) Canyon? There are several lines, most of which I forget, which could be applied to the movie, but none make it definite (like Vengeance does). Anyone know? Dean C. Wagner Did you ever wonder why we had to run dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu for shelter with the promise of a wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu brave new world unfurled beneath the cs325by@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu clear blue sky - Pink Floyd Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs ....and the Knights who say "Ni!" Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 30 Nov 90 19:46 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 6247; Fri, 30 Nov 90 19:42:34 EST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 14:04:21 PST From: James Preston Subject: RE: Veins Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Steve got it started, but I think he missed a little, mostly nit-picks. Anyway, On the left below are what I think are the corrections to his version: I open my eyes from a dreamless night With a sense of dread you could cut with a knife Still thinking that maybe I killed somebody No no no no way Never know, never know when I have killed somebody Might have killed somebody Veins in my eyeballs Damage I have done Damage that I've done Veins on the stairway Veins in my skull I visit my friend We have a fight I'm drinking his whiskey I'm wanting his wife I'm holding his wife Then the image goes black, Did I kill somebody Cause there's really no clue Cause there ain't no clue There's no clue That I killed somebody Veins in my eardrums Banging at my door Veins in my brainwaves Veins on the floor I get the shivers and I've got the shakes He was screaming my name People screamin' my name like there's no mistake Can't belive it's true that I killed somebody Did I kill somebody? But I just don't know I don't know Did I kill somebody Veins on the sidewalk Veins know the score Veins in on my ??? Veins in my mind, ohhhhhh Veins evermore... ------------------- As for interpretation, He couldn't be hallucinating; after all, his problem is that he doesn't remember anything after "the image goes black". Or are you thinking he might be hallucinating the people screaming his name? Anyway, I don't think he did it, his friend is just geting back at him for going after the guy's wife. After all, could a member of BOC really commit murder? :-) --James Preston Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Dec 90 16:54 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 2096; Sat, 01 Dec 90 16:50:38 EST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 90 21:52:20 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: RE: Yngwie J. Malmsteem with and without his Rising Force Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Oops, the subject sounds kind of dirty but... It didn't know this group included YJM but anyway, here's what I think. YJM's Rising Force: as has been said, mostly instrumental. I particularly like Black Star and Far Beyond the Sun Marching Out: By far my favorite, even though it seems to have the most Satanic feel (which I don't like). Disciples of Hell is very hard, but I don't care for the negative lyrics. I think the lyrics on I Am a Viking are very appropriate. I would expect intelligent lyrics about someone who is a viking. The guitar on Anguish and Fear and Caught in the middle are very enjoyable. Soldier without Faith is definitely in my top 5 YJM songs. I've found it to be quite good. Live '85 (video): contains most of the hits from the first two albums with Jeff Scot Soto still doing the singing. Even though I wouldn't say he has a great voice, I like him the best of all YJM's singers. This video contains several songs not on YJM's albums. Trilogy: I like this one the least. The beginning of Trilogy Suite Op:5 is about the only thing I truly enjoy. It's ok otherwise. I also can't stand the guy that sings on that album Odyssey: Very refreshing after the dissappointment of Trilogy. Many of the songs are good and the Satanic feel only lingers in a few songs. Those who complained about the overdone speed solos should like Krakatau and especially Memories. Trial by Fire (album and video): I don't have the video yet. I didn't really like the selection of songs on the album but they are good. I would have liked to have seen some of my more favorites but I wasn't there when the put it together 8-). Eclipse: Not quite as good as Odyssey, but pretty good. A DDD CD though oooh. Motherless Child, Demon Driver, and Faultline are good. Not only is there the usual new singer, but the Johansson duo are gone. Anybody know why YJM is always changing his Force. Tom Ok, having been pretty rude to poor ol' Club Ninja, I'm going to talk now about what I think is a second-tier BOC album, that I nevertheless have a soft spot in my heart for. (I called it second tier, meaning it's not one of their best, but not to imply that it's "second rate"). Anyway, the album I'm talking about is Revolution by Night. It doesn't have any songs on it that really stand out in my eyes, but for some reason I find the album as a whole very "listenable". As a matter of fact, I listen to it a disproportionate amount, compared to albums that I think more highly of. It seems to be "easy on the ears" or something, I can listen to it repeatedly in one sitting without getting tired of it. It's not my "pet BOC album" (that would be Mirrors, which has many of the same audible qualities, but which I think is a better album). But still, it has a little something that no other BOC album has. Like "Light Years of Love", and "Shooting Shark", which are massively atypical of the stuff that I usually like BOC for. The electric drums sort of pissed me off, but I eventually got to the point where they at least don't bother me anymore. (I'll never think they're as good). Of course, there are also the nifty BOC-ish songs like Shadow of California, Veins, Take Me Away (E.T.I., part 4? :-), and the sort of goofy ones like Feel The Thunder and Dragon Lady. Would you believe I've gotten tty... Well, there ya go, opinions, opinions, opinions. Your turn. :) As a final note, I'd like to answer the objections someone raised regarding my treatment of Club Ninja, namely that this was "starting to look like a net discussion", I believe was the phrase used. Well, I hope that we agree that the purpose of this group is discussion. That doesn't mean that we will always have a chorus of agreement on matters of opinion. But so long as we keep it 1.) intelligent, and 2.) friendly, I don't think you can say that we've "descended to the level of the net". Egads, what a thought... - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 2 Dec 90 23:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 8227; Sun, 02 Dec 90 23:13:20 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 04:14:40 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: Steve, Revolution..., Mirrors, stuff Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA First, (Steve) my comment about the discussion looking like the net was half a joke and half true. Anyone who has read rec.arts.startrek knows that most of the articles are negative since people seem to get more joy out of finding flaws than spreading praise. I said this because all of the comments on CN (at the time) were negative with a couple of people saying they didn't even have it. However, I'm not trying to restrict what people post, listen to, or buy. I was just observing. As far as the post on The Revolution by Night, I'm not going to say much. I did like Let Go when I saw BOC in concert. Kind of seemed like their theme when they sang it. I find the following strange: Most people agree that Mirrors and The Revolution by Night are not BOC's best albums as a whole. However, these are the first two albums I saw and bought on CD. Not only that, but they also were produced with the album cover being smaller than the CD case and surrounded by a yellow background and "Collector's Choice" logos. I guess they were trying to push sales by making it seem like these were the albums to get. Do these still appear in the store racks like this? I was very irritated since TRBN did not contain the picture on the inside sleeve of the album (can't remember what it looks like) and Mirrors did not contain the picture on the back of the album of all 5 members with the bright flashes in their hands. While I'm on the topic of the physical albums/CDs, Tyranny and Mutation on CD did not contain the strange words on the inner sleeve of the album (something like "Seepage from...."). OYFOOYK did not contain the photos of the concert. A friend of mine had Agents of Fortune right after it came out and it opened up like a double album. There was a picture of the members at a card table (I think) and a girl (Patti Smith?). I got the album long after its release and it was a single cover with a blank inner sleeve. The CD doesn't have the pic either. Cultosaurus doesn't have the pictures of the kids at the museum on the CD. I think Fire of Unknown Origin had something on the inner sleeve which doesn't appear on the CD. As far as earlier albums (BOC, Secret Treaties, Spectres, and Some Enchanted Evening), I got the CBS "we ran out" blank inner sleeves, so who knows what was on them. Why do they change what's on the album when they put it on CD? I don't know but it sure is irritating. Tom Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:06 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3550; Mon, 03 Dec 90 12:06:59 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 09:02:00 PST From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Opinions, etc... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Re: Revolution By Night Well, Revolution By Night is one of the BOC albums that is "okay" to me, not phenomenal. My wife really liked it (and the concert), but I don't know how that bodes for BOC 8^). "Let Go" might have been more meaningful to me on an earlier album (it does sound like a late-in-life theme attempt). However, I pull it out occasionally. It doesn't hiss-and-pop like Tyranny or Treaties, though :-). >While I'm on the topic of the physical albums/CDs, Tyranny and Mutation on CD >did not contain the strange words on the inner sleeve of the album (something >like "Seepage from...."). OYFOOYK did not contain the photos of the concert. etc... Warning: old age about to show... Way back when those albums first came out on vinyl (okay, I was 16 in '74) I thought the interesting inner sleeves and fold-open pictures tied the whole Cult aura together. It wasn't just a cool band with great music and clever lyrics (IMEO), it was an entire experience. What a shame that the neat inner stuff has disappeared! Drift on: >A friend of mine had Agents of Fortune right after it came out and it opened >up like a double album. There was a picture of the members at a card table (I >think) and a girl (Patti Smith?). I got the album long after its release >and it was a single cover with a blank inner sleeve. The CD doesn't have the Yes, it is Patti Smith with the boys on Agents. Isn't that her voice on Vera Gemini? I'd have to check (and probably should before I write something untrue), but Patti is included in the lyric credits for Vera. A friend is of the opinion that Patti was to blame for Alan Lanier's "downfall" (his contributions and style changed, and eventually left). Drift off: >Well, I hope that we agree that the purpose of this group is discussion. >That doesn't mean that we will always have a chorus of agreement on >matters of opinion. But so long as we keep it 1.) intelligent, and >2.) friendly, I don't think you can say that we've "descended to the >level of the net". Egads, what a thought... Yes, let's agree on that. I think having the common interest and admiration for BOC (and other such bands) can help us avoid the typical verbal assaults so common on the net. Phil (I choose to steal what you choose to show) Nielsen Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3899; Mon, 03 Dec 90 12:28:37 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 11:22:33 CST From: Dean Wagner Subject: Subject of Don't turn Your Back Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA I was close on my last posting - At least After Dark is on the same side of the album.... DOES Don't Turn Your Back refer to the Harry Canyon section of Heavy Metal? Any opinions? Dean Wagner Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 4098; Mon, 03 Dec 90 12:34:29 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 11:31:46 CST From: Desdinova Subject: RE: Subject of Don't turn Your Back Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9012031727.AA21441@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Dean Wagner" at Dec 3, 90 11:22 am X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA > > I was close on my last posting - At least After Dark is on the same side of the > album.... > > DOES Don't Turn Your Back refer to the Harry Canyon section of Heavy Metal? > Any opinions? > The "keep her out of danger, she'll return the favor" section sounds like it might refer to Harry "Hairy" Canyon (we all get the joke, right?), but then again it might refer to Indiana Jones or Star Wars or any of a number of hero-heroine stories. > Dean Wagner My guess is that they were stoned and just slammed some lyrics on top of a cool bass line. Jawaid Bazyar Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 13:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 5344; Mon, 03 Dec 90 13:55:58 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:44:38 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: stuff Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA >As far as earlier albums (BOC, Secret Treaties, >Spectres, and Some Enchanted Evening), I got the CBS "we ran out" blank inner >sleeves, so who knows what was on them. Well, the only one of these that I have with the real liner is Secret Treaties. The inner sleeve is similar to the cover, front & back, but color paintings rather than charcoal sketches. They're also different in that the backgrounds are different (front: people in Victorian clothes, back: building with arches, dogs in different positions.) I recall seeing a different version of the inner sleeve once, I think it was a black & white version of the paintings. The following 'quote' is printed in the inner sleeve: "Rossignol's curious, albeit simply titled book, 'The Origins of a World War', spoke in terms of 'secret treaties', drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and Desdinova the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil." Illuminating, eh? Also printed is: "For all Cult lyrics, mail Room 1208, 51 W. 52 St., N.Y., NY 10019 Anyone know if this address is still good? scorch Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 14:06 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 5535; Mon, 03 Dec 90 14:03:58 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:57:27 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Hawkwind shows Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA For those of us in the San Francisco Bay Area - Hawkwind is playing the 16th and 17th, at the Omni in Oakland and the I-Beam in SF respectively. Still tentative are possible shows in the San Jose area and at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz, stay tuned... scorch Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 18:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 9702; Mon, 03 Dec 90 18:35:04 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 15:30:09 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Hawkwind - Kadu Flyer Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Hey ho, I just got a subscription form/questionaire for the Kadu Flyer newsletter. It's doesn't say anything about cost, and the guy I got it from didn't mention anything either - anyone who knows different please let me/us know! scorch Here it is - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- << HAWKWIND USA FAN SURVEY >> Please list name and address as you would like them to appear on our mailing list, and include your phone number if you like. Name _________________________________________________________ Address _________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Phone # ______________________ Zip Code ________________________ A) How many Hawkwind shows have you seen? B) Do you have any live Hawkwind tapes? C) Have you ever ordered HW merchandise or records by mail, or written to any of the fan clubs or magazines? D) What other music do you listen to? E) Please list any record stores that sell Hawkwind in your area. F) Are there any local free festivals? Give us any details that you have. G) What local rock clubs or concert halls would be appropriate for a HW show, including the lights, that book indie bands or alternative music? H) List any local rock or arts papers, street sheets, or radio stations that are good sources of concert listings for the kind of music you enjoy. I) Would you be willing to distribute posters for a Hawkwind show? J) How far would you travel to see Hawkwind? K) What is your favorite song/album? L) How did you first hear Hawkwind, and where was your first show? Please send your replies to: Mary Bruce 4 University Rd. Cambridge, MA 02138 Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 3 Dec 90 20:20 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 1150; Mon, 03 Dec 90 20:20:26 EST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 02:17:19 +0100 From: P{r Emanuelsson Subject: RE: silliest incidental lyric Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Since no one else had any clues, I thought I'd give you my thoughts... >I'm listening to _Club Ninja_ right now. In the song "When the War Comes", >there are these really ridiculous "Ooga chakas" messing up what would otherwise >be a normal instrumental break. What the _hell_ are those doing in there? There was a US #1 hit in the 70's called Hooked on a feeling, by Bjorn Skifs (calling himself Blue Swede or something). Anyway, it started with exactly the same Hooga-chaka's (not sure about the spelling ;-). I read somewhere that he threw these in just for laughs, never imagining that it would hit #1. Actually, he sings the whole first verse accompanied only by hooga-chaka's if my memory serves me right. Btw, Club Ninja is Ok. But mostly I listen to vintage BOC. I guess there aren't any records from the pre-BOC Soft White Underbelly, right? Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 4 Dec 90 14:24 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 1192; Tue, 04 Dec 90 14:22:44 EST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 08:55:40 PST From: James Preston Subject: RE: silliest incidental lyric Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA >Since no one else had any clues, Au contraire . . . >There was a US #1 hit in the 70's called Hooked on a feeling, by Bjorn Skifs >(calling himself Blue Swede or something). Anyway, it started with exactly >the same Hooga-chaka's (not sure about the spelling ;-). I am and was well aware of the likely source for the "Ooga chakas" in "When the War Comes". I will even freely admit that I listened to the radio a lot when "Hooked on a Feeling" was popular, and I didn't change the station when it came on. My rhetorical "What the hell are those doing in there?" was not asking where they came from, but rather _why_ were they in an otherwise good song? And as far as I've ever heard, there are no Soft White Underbelly nor Stalk Forrest albums. I would assume that, like most groups, they spent those years developing their talent for both playing and writing, and that therefore the first few BOC albums contain the finished products that they were honing. --James Preston (showing my age) Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 4 Dec 90 17:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 4730; Tue, 04 Dec 90 16:58:57 EST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 23:49:46 +0200 From: makila@FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: BOC origin (was: silliest incidental lyric) Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9012041917.AA24781@finsun.csc.fi> X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA James> And as far as I've ever heard, there are no Soft White Underbelly nor James> Stalk Forrest albums. I would assume that, like most groups, they James> spent those years developing their talent for both playing and James> writing, and that therefore the first few BOC albums contain the James> finished products that they were honing. I'm not sure about this but somehow I remember that I've sometime read somewhere that BOC was founded by two former rock-critics. Has anyone else heard about this? // niko Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 5 Dec 90 23:41 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3046; Wed, 05 Dec 90 23:40:10 EST Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 16:03:29 PST From: James Preston Subject: RE: Opinions, etc... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA >Yes, it is Patti Smith with the boys on Agents. Isn't that her voice on >Vera Gemini? I'd have to check (and probably should before I write something >untrue), but Patti is included in the lyric credits for Vera. Yes, that's her voice. I, too, have one of the original fold-out versions of _Agents of Fortune_. But my copy has another special feature that makes it something I will never part with. It is autographed by the boys (all except Eric). Back when _Cultosaurus_ came out, they made an appearance at a local record store, and a friend of mine and I took a few hours off work to stand in line for hours to get the autographs and see them up close and personal. I actually spoke to Buck. I asked, "Where's Eric?" (Gads, what brilliant and insightful repartee I'm capable of.) He answered, equally brilliantly, something like, "He's busy." Two other noteworthy items from that day: There was a guy there who had a hand-made guitar in the shape of their logo. I don't know whether this guy's came before or after the one that Eric has. This guy brought it to get it autographed. Another guy, who was right in front of me, had a very nice picture of Buck playing in concert that he himself had taken. Buck was so impressed by it that he gave this guy his home address so that he could send him a copy of the picture! Man, was I jealous of him at the time. --James Preston Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 5 Dec 90 23:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3175; Wed, 05 Dec 90 23:47:20 EST Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 16:09:54 PST From: James Preston Subject: Buck Dharma Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Hey speaking of Buck, does anyone know the origin of his name? It seems like it's a lot more than just a nickname, especially since it's the only name that appears on his solo album. I mean, I can understand why it's a more attractive name for a rock guitarist than Donald Roeser, I'm just wondering if it has a meaning, or if it's the name of some character from fiction that I should know, or what. --James Preston Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 01:04 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3672; Thu, 06 Dec 90 01:04:11 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 05:29:21 GMT From: Matthew Braun Subject: RE: Re: Opinions, etc... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@urbana.mcd.mot.com X-cc: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA -------- >Hey speaking of Buck, does anyone know the origin of his name? Haven't a clue. But now that you mention it, playing in the (San Fran) Bay on December 9th, I noticed in the BAM magazine an advert for: "The Buck Pets" and "The Dharma Bums" playing a twin bill. You don't suppose...? Naw...couldn't be. Could it? :-) m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+---- Sleep(sleep)walkin' --------------------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Sleep(sleep)talkin' | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Reelin' and a'Rockin' | +----Cupertino CA Chapter---+------------- Wailing at the Moon... -----GR-+ Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 09:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 7578; Thu, 06 Dec 90 09:54:33 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 09:53:58 EST From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Hawkwind Message on Quark... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA OK, interesting little side note here. I'm still new to the HW stuff, but I've taken y'all up on the subject and started to listen to some of their stuff. Pretty neat really--I like it. Anyway, I was playing a track off Quark Strangeness and Charm on my radio show this morning and ran across a note scribbled on the album sleeve. It went something like this: "The Hawkwind Party To all space * <-----[this represents the star placed in the note] This is just a small message to let you know we are BACK ON COURSE. Last year was the worst year for us. Finding us in debt and out of touch with the modern world. We have had a few changes, the sacking of Nik Turner, Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell. And the arrival of Adrian Shaw our old friend from `Magic Muscle.' Your letters do get to us though a devious route had to be found. We do appreciate them and the ideas. So once again we'll try and get the motor's [sic] running and take off. See you soon Hawkwind" Very interesting if I do say so myself. I thought some of you would be interested in it. Remember the album's release date when you read it. Later, marty schwartz cmu***pittsburgh Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:18 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 2538; Thu, 06 Dec 90 14:16:52 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 11:12:56 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Buck Dharma Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA I may be wrong, but I've always assumed it was because of religious reasons, as with Mahavishnu John McLaughlin and Carlos Devadip Santana. scorch Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 2790; Thu, 06 Dec 90 14:28:40 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 11:25:05 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Hawkwind Message on Quark... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA This message is a direct result of the previous album, 'Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music'. Brock and Calvert were *quite* unhappy with the direction that the 'sacked' members had moving the band, towards a 'jazzier, funky kind of sound'. The result - one of their absolute best albums ever! 'Quark Strangeness and Charm' and 'Hawklords' are my favorites, followed by 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' and 'Hall of the Mountain Grill'. ('Warrior...' was my first Hawkwind album, now I've got over 30!) scorch Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3263; Thu, 06 Dec 90 14:54:45 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 11:52:07 PST From: Phil Nielsen Subject: RE: Buck Dharma Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: The Lion of Symmetry In-Reply-To: <9012061916.AA11334@relay.hp.com>; from "The Lion of Symmetry" at Dec 6, 90 11:12 am X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Okay, here's my $0.03 worth (inflation, you know)... Buck Dharma struck me as a connection of musicianship and mystic influence. "Buck" is a not-uncommon nickname for a guitarist, especially in western music. "Dharma" (I don't know what it means or where it comes from) sounds mystic/eastern. BD is a heck of a talented guitarist, and the band's music certainly dips into the mystic stuff. Phil (say the devil is my savior, but I don't pay no heed) Nielsen Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 15:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3475; Thu, 06 Dec 90 15:00:19 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 12:00:39 PST From: "Pranab K. Banerjee" Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA Well, I do not know what the "Dharma" means in other parts of the world, but it means "Religion" in most of the languages in the Indian Subcontinent. Pranab Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 15:23 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 3804; Thu, 06 Dec 90 15:22:25 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 15:22:44 -0500 From: Gordon Lee Subject: Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA I just joined the list yesterday, hello to all. I'm interested in finding a copy of Calvert's solo album called "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters", preferably on CD. I'm a regular at most of the hip record shops in and around Boston but haven't run across it yet, and I don't expect to given the somewhat limited availability of Hawkwind CD's in general. If anyone could provide pointers on mail-order shops I'd be much obliged. Any info on the label and catalogue numbers for the CD would also be very useful. In fact, if anyone can provide pointers to a Hawkwind and related projects discography, I'd be interested in that also. Sorry if I've wasted bandwidth on FAQ's, as I said above, I'm new to the list. Thanks, - G Received: from ubvm.BITNET by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 6 Dec 90 15:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.05) id 4482; Thu, 06 Dec 90 15:49:41 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 12:45:22 PST From: Phil Nielsen Subject: RE: Buck D. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , stephen swann , "David I. Schwartz" Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V104N55K, V061Q3X6, CHAN93%SBUFVA My Additional $0.01 worth (please don't ask for change!) >Well, I do not know what the "Dharma" means in other parts of the world, but >it means "Religion" in most of the languages in the Indian Subcontinent. I should look before I write off the top... I have consulted the ultimate reference on eastern terminology (Random House Dictionary): dharma n. Hinduism, Buddhism 1. essential quality or character, as of the cosmos or one's own nature 2. conformity to religious law, custom, duty, or owne's own quality or character 3. virtue 4. religion 5. law, esp. religious law One could make lot's of assumptions/connections with that. I don't feel too bad for my original post (not too far off the mark). Just for fun, I looked up "Buck." I quickly discarded "male deer" and "sawhorse", but one definition is "an impetuous or spirited man or youth." Hmmmm.... Phil (can you put your hands in your head?) Nielsen From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 24-JAN-1991 16 :01:03.90 To: Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Why Burning for You? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5069; Thu, 24 Jan 91 15:59:05 EST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 10:39:40 PST From: James Preston Subject: Why Burning for You? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Somebody's got to get some discussion going around here before we all start listening to Debby Boone . . . I don't know about elsewhere in the country, but around here (California, Santa Clara Valley/San Francisco) hardly a week goes by that I don't hear "Burning for You" on one of the rock stations. So does anybody have any thoughtful insights as to why that particular BOC song is such a perennial? How about some wild guesses? And how come nobody else has mentioned the up-coming BOC appearance at the Cabaret in San Jose? Feb 9; be there! --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 24-JAN-1991 16 :35:31.05 To: Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Why Burning for You? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:33 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5979; Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:31:47 EST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 15:25:20 CST From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Why Burning for You? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9101242059.AA18544@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "James Preston" at Jan 24, 91 10:39 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX > > Somebody's got to get some discussion going around here before we all start > listening to Debby Boone . . . > I don't know about elsewhere in the country, but around here (California, > Santa Clara Valley/San Francisco) hardly a week goes by that I don't hear > "Burning for You" on one of the rock stations. So does anybody have any > thoughtful insights as to why that particular BOC song is such a perennial? > How about some wild guesses? I'm not sure. Around here, "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" seems to be played more than any BOC song. Only people who are like 25-30 remember what BOC is really like. A grad here recognized Godzilla, and a 27yr old I know recognized Dominance and Submission!. The majority of students (like 99%) only know the two "perennial" songs that have been mentioned. Maybe BOC is too revolutionary and original for most people :-) > And how come nobody else has mentioned the up-coming BOC appearance at the > Cabaret in San Jose? Feb 9; be there! Aaaaaaarrgh! So there IS a reason to live in California. :-) Is this possibly indicative of a tour? In reference to the "Buck Pets/Dharma Boys" gig, it turns out there really is a band called the Buck Pets. Saw it in Rolling Stone or somewhere. Jawaid Bazyar | Girl don't stop the screamin', Senior/Computer Engineering | you're sounding so sincere bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | There's so much beauty Apple II Forever! | in the tracks of your tears (BOC) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 24-JAN-1991 16 :37:14.82 To: Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Upcoming Shows; was Re: Why Burning for You? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:36 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6181; Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:35:18 EST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 16:34:45 EST From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Upcoming Shows; was Re: Why Burning for You? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Speaking of upcoming shows, I heard about this incredible line up of bands that will be playing at the Syria Mosque here in Pittsburgh. Included in the list was BOC and Donnie Iris. Any confirmation on this? I heard the promo once and have not heard anything about it hence. marty schwartz cmu***pittsburgh From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 24-JAN-1991 19 :03:11.72 To: Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Intro to BOC-L Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 24 Jan 91 19:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7491; Thu, 24 Jan 91 19:01:14 EST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 17:48:33 GMT From: Paul Mather Subject: RE: Intro to BOC-L Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Jan 23, 91 5:28 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK > Here's an update, in case anyone was wondering what survived the > "crash" (everything, I think). If you know that you contributed > anything, especially lyrics, and don't see them listed here, then > get in touch with me. Err... What crash? I've been set to NOMAIL for about a month so I guess I missed something? > For the several new people on the list, the way to send an article to > the list is by mail, to this address: boc-l@ubvm.cc.Buffalo.Edu > You will NOT receive back a copy of your own article from the > listserver, so don't don't think that your article failed to get > through, or anything like that... The LISTSERV mechanism is *supposed* to support the LISTSERV command "SET LISTNAME REPRO" which means that any mail you send to list LISTNAME gets sent to you as well as the rest of the list. I've sent the command "SET BOC-L REPRO" to the BOC-L listserv but the "REPRO" effect just doesn't seem to manifest itself. "REPRO" has worked on all the other LISTSERV lists I've been signed up to. Could it be that the LISTSERV software administering the BOC-L isn't working fully? > Discographies: > -------------- [...] > Mekong Delta [beats me :-] Since I sent in the Mekong Delta discography I guess I better say a couple of words about them... Mekong Delta are probably best described as an avant garde thrash band. (I guess orchestral/thrash mixtures, as on the track "Intermedium", is avant garde enough for most people.:) The band are from Germany and have a certain amount of mystery surrounding them. (For contractual reasons the identities of the band members could not be revealed and as such they had to hide under a cloud of pseudonyms and anonymity.) IMHO they fall into the "imaginative" category. Their lyrics are a mixture of political comment and (most importantly from our point of view) general weirdness with a leaning towards "cosmic" or "supernatural" horror. Their second album, _The Music of Erich Zann_ features several tracks which revolve around themes and elements from the story by H.P. Lovecraft of the same name. On the same album there is also a track entitled "I, King, Will Come" which makes references to the Great Old Ones (again, from H.P. Lovecraft's fiction). (Surely nobody want's to dispute that the work of H.P. Lovecraft belongs firmly in the "imaginative" category? I am, of course, assuming that everybody knows of H.P. Lovecraft.) Their third album, _The Principle Of Doubt_, features, amongst other things, a nifty "cover" of the _Twilight Zone_ theme. Their self-titled debut album also features passing references to Stormbringer and Mournblade, as well as some (not so) veiled Black Sabbath references on the track "Black Sabbath". It also features a marvellous version of "The Hut Of Baba Yaga" from Mussorsky's (sp?) _Pictures At An Exhibition_. Being German, occasionally their english ist nicht sehr gut in the grammar department but it has consistently improved with each album to the point that the problem(?) no longer exists. They have a new album out called _Dances Of Death_ which I have yet to hear. (If anyone has heard it, can I have their comments?) Anyway, so there you go. OHM Steve's days of "beats me" should be over now. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. "So let your bullets fly like rain Cos all the time you know you're wrong" --- Jimi Hendrix, "Machine Gun" From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 11-FEB-1991 04 :17:10.74 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 11 Feb 91 04:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2230; Mon, 11 Feb 91 04:15:08 EST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 09:05:20 GMT From: powells@PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK Subject: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I have a hawkwind lyric book.... I picked it up at one of their gigs. Steve. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-FEB-1991 23 :08:41.95 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC tour, band history? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:08 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7361; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:03:08 EST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 19:52:14 PST From: The Jester Subject: RE: BOC tour, band history? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Blue Oyster Cult played in a club in Sacramento just last night... my throat is sore, from screaming...my ears are ringing, from close proximity to the speakers...here's most of what I remember: They opened with Stairway to the Stars...set the tone for the whole evening...fast, hard, and energetic. They didn't let up for one second. After they finished, they did the standard thing of: "It's great to be here...." Then Eric started the riff for OD'd on life.... For the rest of the concert, I was in a blur...these were THE guys... playing THE songs... For the whole concert, I was at the stage...right up between Eric and Buck's monitor speakers. There were so many times where I could just reach out and touch them...and, yes...I did touch Buck's guitar. The crowd around me was filled with people who were at least twice my age...all grooving right along with the music. Song list: Stairway to the Stars OD'd on life itself Extraterrestrial Intelligence Buck's Boogie (God DAMN!! Buck is one Badass guitar player) Cities On Flame -----------------Got Buck's guitar pick....tossed it right to me. Take Me Away (I like the intro Eric gives for this one...cool monologue) Transmaniacon MC Last Days of May (with a really long and incredible jam section) Unknown Tongue (During the "father's razer" part, Eric took a razor and stage blood and "watched it cut into his palm"...the expression on his face was just a tad maniacal) Burnin' for You Godzilla ("Sounds like sonething BIG coming this way right now!... is it Rodan? Is it Rosanne Barr? Holy shit! it's Godzilla!) The Reaper -----------------Got Buck's 2nd guitar pick...HANDED it to me... Encore: Golden Age of Leather Roadhouse Blues (with Steve Morse guesting on Guitar!!!!!!!!) ---------------Got Steve Morse's guitar pick...damn, what a haul The main part of the concert was so hot, I didn't think they could get any hotter...but when Steve Morse came out for the last song, the crowd went pretty seriously bugshit. *I* sure did... "For this next song, we're gonna play an old one we haven't played in a while...and we're gonna have a friend join us up here...a friend from the Dixie Dregs...please welcome Mr. Steve Morse!" Now, I just hope they don't wait another two years before they come around again...I need more guitar picks...:) Oh yes...they had the same guys on drums and bass as they did last tour, so I figure that these guys are here to stay...anyone know who they are? Geez....last night was one COOL night...hell even the opening band was cool...(local boys) The Jester so....those of you who have seen, or will see them....did they play the same songs? From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-FEB-1991 23 :57:30.32 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: most recent BOC tour songlist Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:57 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7860; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:55:27 EST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:52:00 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: most recent BOC tour songlist Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Geez Jester, it sounds like you were more ONSTAGE, than in front of it! what sort of picks do Buck and Morse use?? do you remember what sort of guitars they use? as for the songlist, i think it was basically the same as one you listed. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-FEB-1991 23 :57:30.32 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: most recent BOC tour songlist Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:57 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7860; Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:55:27 EST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 23:52:00 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: most recent BOC tour songlist Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Geez Jester, it sounds like you were more ONSTAGE, than in front of it! what sort of picks do Buck and Morse use?? do you remember what sort of guitars they use? as for the songlist, i think it was basically the same as one you listed. I saw BOC this summer in nearby Niagara Falls at a bar, with our humble moderator.... I was probably more inebriated than he was. oHM Steve was right up front. I went upstairs to the balcony, less crowded, sounded a tad clearer. Steve : is your account still there? hello!!!!??!! - Alv From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 1-MAR-1991 18 :38:41.67 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Influences? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 1 Mar 91 18:37 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5686; Fri, 01 Mar 91 16:56:16 EST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 91 15:52:04 CST From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: Influences? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9103011538.AA19375@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "The Edge" at Mar 1, 91 9:31 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I was listening to the radio the other night and Jimi Hendrix's "All along the WatchTower" was playing. The song came to a guitar break, and I could swear it sounded exactly like the rhythm guitar near the end of "Astronomy". We all know that some of BOC influences were the Doors and Steppenwolf, but I guess we can add Hendrix to that list.. Jawaid Bazyar |"I'm sure K&R have never heard of Mike." Senior/Computer Engineering | bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu |"That's okay. I'm sure Mike's never heard of K&R". Apple II Forever! | (discussion about Orca/C) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 8-MAR-1991 11 :31:54.31 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC bitmap anyone? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:31 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8429; Fri, 08 Mar 91 11:29:17 EST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 91 10:57:16 EST From: mwm Subject: BOC bitmap anyone? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA O.K. I have a BOC symbol bitmap (64x64). It's a real hack that I did in ten minutes with the X windows "bitmap" program. I'll send it out if enough people are interested. Send e-mail to me if you are (no sense cluttering.) My e-mail address is: mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com Now for the rub... does anyone have any BOC gifs? Anyone have access to a scanner? I'd be really psyched to have some album art in gif format. How about the cover to IMAGINOS for a starter? Someone out there must have one, I hope. See Ya mark mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 8-MAR-1991 12 :13:32.89 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC bitmap anyone? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 8 Mar 91 12:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9047; Fri, 08 Mar 91 12:10:50 EST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 91 10:09:01 MST From: Dieter Muller Subject: RE: BOC bitmap anyone? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA : I have a BOC symbol bitmap (64x64). [...] Send e-mail to me if you : are. Yeah, I'd be interested in it. : Anyone have access to a scanner? I'd be really psyched to have some : album art in gif format. Well, I've got access to a grey-scale scanner. However, there's a bit of a legality question involved (copyright and all that rot). Anyone wanna write a letter to the appropriate people? Dworkin See you at Al Packer's Legendary Culinary Fast-Food Cannibal Bar and Buffet dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 12-MAR-1991 21 :54:31.43 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: a couple of BOC questions Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 12 Mar 91 21:53 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3191; Tue, 12 Mar 91 21:50:49 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 02:49:36 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: a couple of BOC questions Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Wow! a lot of people are unsubscribing. What's going on? Anyway, whoever maintains this list (sorry, I've lost your name, I don't remember who took over for Steve): how many people are on this list? and more importantly to me, how many people are subscribed because of BOC (not Hawkwind, et al.)? Please, don't start a million replies of "I like...." My other question is: Has anyone seen the BOC compilation entitled (something like) "(Don't Fear) The Reaper"? I have the other two compilations (Career of Evil and On Flame with Rock and Roll) and would like to get the other. I haven't seen it in the few local stores. If you can get it at a store near you, please send me e-mail and we'll work out the details of payment. I want the CD version. Tom (wilson@cs.ucf.edu) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 12-MAR-1991 23 :00:56.94 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: a couple of BOC questions Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 12 Mar 91 23:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4094; Tue, 12 Mar 91 22:58:06 EST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 21:55:10 CST From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: a couple of BOC questions Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9103130253.AA20061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "tom wilson" at Mar 13, 91 2:49 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > Wow! a lot of people are unsubscribing. What's going on? Anyway, whoever > maintains this list (sorry,I've lost your name,I don't remember who took over > for Steve): how many people are on this list? and more importantly to me, how > many people are subscribed because of BOC (not Hawkwind,et al.)? Please,don't > start a million replies of "I like...." I'm not sure there was ever a headcount. Perhaps there's a listserv command to do just that? > My other question is: Has anyone seen the BOC compilation entitled (something > like) "(Don't Fear) The Reaper"? I have the other two compilations (Career of > Evil and On Flame with Rock and Roll) and would like to get the other. I > haven't seen it in the few local stores. If you can get it at a store near > you, please send me e-mail and we'll work out the details of payment. I want > the CD version. I've seen it from time to time. It looks like a pretty blah compilation. Something CBS cooked up to make some more money off the boys in leather. In any case, I haven't seen it lately. If I see it soon, I'll let ya know. -- Jawaid Bazyar |"I'm sure K&R have never heard of Mike." Senior/Computer Engineering | bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu |"That's okay. I'm sure Mike's never heard of K&R". Apple II Forever! | (discussion about Orca/C) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-MAR-1991 15 :35:08.06 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: a couple of BOC questions Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Mar 91 15:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4350; Wed, 13 Mar 91 15:32:34 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 12:28:34 PST From: The Jester Subject: RE: a couple of BOC questions Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA The compilation called "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" is an halfway decent compilation at best. The version of the title track has been butchered pretty badly...the whole solo section had been cut out. And there is a remix of Career of Evil that seems to highlight Albert's voice as much as possible. There IS, however, and interesting version of Born to be Wild. It's a studio track that I rather like. Altogether, it's not that great of a tape. As has been comented already, it seems to be just a marketing ploy. The Jester From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-MAR-1991 17 :51:52.88 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Mar 91 17:51 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6842; Wed, 13 Mar 91 17:46:03 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 17:38:50 EST From: mwm Subject: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Just thought I'd stir things up a bit, seeing that people are abandoning ship lately. I remember reading many years ago (ten or more) that B.O.C had gone out firebombing local NYC suicide prevention centers as a publicity stunt to promote Don't Fear the Reaper. You be the judge. Bullshit... or not! Here's a good one for ya. Another rumor I heard a long time ago was that BOC recorded two albums worth of material (as SFG or SWU) for Elektra that were never released. You be the judge. Bullshit... or not! But wait, there's more... I have also heard of a limited edition live EP that came out around Tyranny and Mutation. Supposedly, this EP had a version of Buck's Boogie that blew the doors off the version on OYFOOYN. You be the judge. Bullshit... or not! In terms of the credibility of the above rumors, my opinion is that rumor #1 was fabricated by the Cult for their mythos. Rumours #2 and #3 I think may both be true. In more than ten years of being a fan, I have never been able to confirm the existence of these recordings. I would kill to have them if they did, in fact, exist. The talk of the compilation CD's has got me curious. It has been mentioned that there is a studio version of Born to Be Wild on one. Is there any other previously unreleased BOC material on any of these compilations??? Anyone want to record them for me? I'll send tape and SASE. Did everyone who requested my bitmap get it okay? Anyone got BOC gifs? OD'D On Life Itself, Mark mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-MAR-1991 18 :30:40.08 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Mar 91 18:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7782; Wed, 13 Mar 91 18:26:16 EST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 01:22:26 +0200 From: makila@FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA mwm> But wait, there's more... I have also heard of a limited edition live mwm> EP that came out around Tyranny and Mutation. Supposedly, this EP had mwm> a version of Buck's Boogie that blew the doors off the version on mwm> OYFOOYN. You be the judge. Bullshit... or not! You're not talking about the In My Mouth Or On The Ground EP? Well, I think that was released in 1972. I DON'T have it. Anyway once I heard on the radio a strange version of live Born To Be Wild, which wasn't as let's-destroy-our-gear-and- the-audiences-ear-too-like as the one we all know of. Where could one find that? Oh well, probably nowhere. mwm> Did everyone who requested my bitmap get it okay? Anyone got BOC mwm> gifs? Sure. Looked pretty neat especially if you really made it in 10 min. I also thought to scale it a bit and turn it into an X cursor. WOW! // niko (in the long & white polar night (although almost all the snow's melted already)) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-MAR-1991 20 :55:35.78 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Mar 91 20:55 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9182; Wed, 13 Mar 91 20:52:41 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 14:59:13 PST From: James Preston Subject: RE: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA >But wait, there's more... I have also heard of a limited edition live EP >that came out around Tyranny and Mutation. Supposedly, this EP had a version >of Buck's Boogie that blew the doors off the version on OYFOOYN. You be the >judge. Bullshit... or not! Well, does anyone else out there have the album _The Guitars that Destroyed the World_? It's one of those "buncha different guitar players on one album" albums, and the BOC entry is "Buck's Boogie". It's definitely different from the version on OYFOOYK ("knees" does start with a "k", not an "n"), but it's been soooo long since I've listened to it that I can't say if it's better. Maybe one of these days I'll take another listen. --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-MAR-1991 21 :25:39.22 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 13 Mar 91 21:25 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9440; Wed, 13 Mar 91 21:22:57 EST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 02:23:16 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: RE: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Concerning live Born To Be Wild: I don't know if this is version that was mentioned, but the album Guitar Wars contains a version of BTBW. It's not as good as the one on OYFOOYK. Guitar Wars contains 8 songs by different groups. One is by Judas Priest. It came out a long time ago, maybe around 1980 (I don't have it here with me). Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 14-MAR-1991 18 :24:40.24 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 14 Mar 91 18:22 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9896; Thu, 14 Mar 91 18:20:14 EST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 23:55:50 +0100 From: P{r Emanuelsson Subject: RE: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Isn't Born To Be Wild originally by MC5? I think I heard it on the radio in the 70's. I seem to remember they did Kick Out The Jams too. Correct? /Pell From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 18-MAR-1991 01 :20:21.84 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 18 Mar 91 01:18 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9660; Mon, 18 Mar 91 01:16:23 EST Date: Mon, 18 Mar 91 08:13:29 +0200 From: makila@FINSUN.CSC.FI Subject: RE: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9103151746.AA13484@finsun.csc.fi> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > Isn't Born To Be Wild originally by MC5? I think I heard it on the radio > in the 70's. I seem to remember they did Kick Out The Jams too. Correct? No. Yes. Born To Be Wild was originally by Steppenwolf and Kick Out The Jams was by MC5. // niko From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 18-MAR-1991 03 :00:44.62 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: (Don't Fear) the Reaper Compilation Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 18 Mar 91 03:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0114; Mon, 18 Mar 91 02:58:07 EST Date: Mon, 18 Mar 91 07:58:31 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: (Don't Fear) the Reaper Compilation Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Yeah, I'm bringing it up again. I asked about it at my local record store today. They don't have it listed in the catalog, but told me if I can get the order number for it, they will try to order it. Does anyone have it? e.g. Agents of Fortune's number is CK34164, just look on the side of the CD. CD only please. While it's only slightly related, I am still looking for the Heavy Metal soundtrack on CD. Has anyone seen it recently? This soundtrack is THE reason I got into BOC. I just thought Veteran' was soooo cool, that I bought Fire of Unknown Origin. That was a costly decision as I bought all the albums and eventually all the CDs (well almost all, I'm missing one 8-). Sorry, to tell a story with my requests. Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 19-MAR-1991 07 :33:21.09 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Heavy Metal Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 19 Mar 91 07:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4480; Mon, 18 Mar 91 12:43:18 EST Date: Mon, 18 Mar 91 11:39:14 CST From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Heavy Metal Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9103180800.AA21831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "tom wilson" at Mar 18, 91 7:58 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > While it's only slightly related, I am still looking for the Heavy Metal > soundtrack on CD. Has anyone seen it recently? This soundtrack is THE reason > I got into BOC. I just thought Veteran' was soooo cool, that I bought Fire > of Unknown Origin. That was a costly decision as I bought all the albums and > eventually all the CDs (well almost all, I'm missing one 8-). Sorry, to > tell a story with my requests. I don't believe Heavy Metal is out on CD. I've been looking for years. Literally. I've scoured catalogs, grilled salespeople, and prayed that I would find it. No such Luck. I too fell in love with BOC because of Heavy Metal, although my first BOC album was Tyranny & Mvtation (I like to experiment). I think your best bet is to find the album, make one or two tape copies of it, and put it in a bank vault somewhere. I still have mine in the shrinkwrap I bought it in, say, 4 years ago. It's a pain getting it back on the sleeve, but it's worth it! -- Jawaid Bazyar |"I'm sure K&R have never heard of Mike." Senior/Computer Engineering | bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu |"That's okay. I'm sure Mike's never heard of K&R". Apple II Forever! | (discussion about Orca/C) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 25-MAR-1991 13 :02:47.39 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Ancient rumors. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6734; Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:59:59 EST Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:53:17 EDT From: John Bowers Subject: RE: Ancient rumors. Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9DD5E5BA50DF204FD2@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 13 Mar 91 17:38:50 EST from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA The limited edition live EP with "Buck's Boogie" on it was a promo sent to radio stations and reviewers only. It had 4 tunes, I think. The version of "Buck's" was the same one that was released on "The Guitars That Destroyed the World." It's slower and I might say more intense than the version on OYFOOYK. The other three songs were never released, as far as I know. I only know about the existence of this EP from a review of TGTDTW, about 1972. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 27-MAR-1991 05 :05:16.43 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Discography Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 27 Mar 91 05:05 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3566; Wed, 27 Mar 91 05:02:46 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 12:02:08 EET From: Matti Varis Subject: Discography Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9C86437C90DF206398@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Cheerio! Yesterday I received Blue Oyster Cult-discography ordered from the archives of our beloved discussion group. There was at least one single missing: White Flags/Rock Not War, released 86 I think. Both songs are _not_ written by members of the band, and I personally hate them(songs, not band). Matti. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 27-MAR-1991 09 :47:35.98 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC movie? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 27 Mar 91 09:47 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3127; Wed, 27 Mar 91 09:44:49 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 09:44:00 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: BOC movie? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9C5ED468A93F20024F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Many years ago I heard about a movie entitled "Black and Blue" and someone told me that it was a Black Sabbath/Blue Oyster Cult concert film.... Is this true? Is it available on videocassette? Is it still being shown as a cheapo midnight matinee in college or regular theatres? - Alv (as you may have guessed I never saw the flick! 8-( From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 27-MAR-1991 10 :26:26.99 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Black & Blue Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 27 Mar 91 10:26 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4079; Wed, 27 Mar 91 10:23:51 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 17:22:04 EET From: Matti Varis Subject: Black & Blue Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9C59670F717F2002AC@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA The video 'Black & Blue' has been available here in Europe on videocassette, but I have not been able to purchase it. Only thing I know about it is that its Sabbath and BOC concert video. Does anyone out there own it? Matti. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 27-MAR-1991 11 :57:25.46 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC movie? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 27 Mar 91 11:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5674; Wed, 27 Mar 91 11:54:24 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 10:48:42 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: RE: BOC movie? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9C4CBC75DA3F20041E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9103271445.AA23145@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Alvin M. Chan" at Mar 27, 91 9:44 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > Many years ago I heard about a movie entitled "Black and Blue" > and someone told me that it was a Black Sabbath/Blue Oyster Cult > concert film.... Yeah, I saw this film quite some time ago (still in high school, and I graduated from old Franklin High in '82). I don't remember very much detail, but it was more or less worth seeing. I was seeing it more for Sabbath than BOC. This was the Dio era. I don't recall whether or not I've seen the video in stores or rental places. Since it didn't really kick my ass, I wouldn't spend too much effort trying to buy it. IMO, of course. Sorry I don't have any more detail. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 28-MAR-1991 09 :10:32.70 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Black & Blue Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:10 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0668; Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:07:55 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 00:17:27 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: Black & Blue Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9B9AD6D403FF200FA6@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA One more note: This is an excerpt from a Popfolios folder on BOC. "...The Cult's 1979 tour of Japan and the long-awaited 'Black & Blue' tour and feature-length movie (with Black Sabbath) carried BOC ceremoniously into 1980." Well you have a date to go by if you're hunting for it. I haven't seen it. Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 28-MAR-1991 09 :33:26.41 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Thanks Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:33 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1184; Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:30:55 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:25:53 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: Thanks Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9B97A1691E1F200FCA@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I'd like to publicly thank Brian and any others responsible for the excellent BOC lyric sheets I recently received. Damn! There were some things I never knew. I now recognize "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" as one of the finest hallucinatory drug songs ever written. This list is great. And now my thoughts at last are too big for my skull. jaybee From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 28-MAR-1991 14 :11:53.28 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Pick on Club Ninja...? OK Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:11 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5640; Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:09:09 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 12:09:01 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Pick on Club Ninja...? OK Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9B70C026731F201376@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Well, I'm a newbee here, I thought I'd join the fun... I've always like the album, but I would never give it to somebody as an introduction into BOC. But the more I listen to it, the more I feel that some of the songs lyrical content are in the vein of BOC, even though the music isn't. Take, for example, Perfect Water. I consider this a BOC song only for the reason that I can't figure out what the hell ol' Buck is singing about!!! It may be disgustingly peaceful, but it is a clueless song. Shadow warrior, although the song itself doesn't inspire me, does have one of the most blistering heavy metal guitar solos around, definitely in BOC style. White Flags, although not written by BOC, (who the hell are the leggat bros?) does have lots of the good old mystical type lyrics that typify BOC's love (gag) songs. Dancin' in the Ruins, although a little much commercial, follows along the lines of the good ol' doom rock we all love, and has lots of those crazy what the hell lyrics. (Dancing in the Ruins has my favorite lyrics of any boc song, methinks): Like marble statues all alone in the nite Like castles in the sands, let us pray Even though our skulls rot in our flesh (gotta love that one) We can build a maze of tenderness (ok...that one don't fit) Anyway, so i've wasted my lunch hour writing this note from hell, I just want to say that Club Ninja, while the album was probably under the direction of some record company asshole who never heard of BOC before, does have lots of the good ol' BOC content. If I were to pick on a BOC album (and yes, this is blasphemy) my first choice would be Mirrors. Tom Werman producing a BOC album???????????????????????????????? Brian Baker From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 28-MAR-1991 14 :49:24.61 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Pick on Club Ninja...? OK Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:49 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6225; Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:46:46 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 20:46:20 +0100 From: Arjan Hulsebos Subject: RE: Pick on Club Ninja...? OK Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9B6B7EE5AF1F20141D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I must say I totally agree with Brian. Club Ninja is a nice album, in my opinion. Although it may not be the average BOC album, it nevertheless is different from most heavy metal records. Anyone got the lyrics, BTW ??? Concerning Mirrors; yeah, it's somewhat off-balance, but it's got some nice tunes on it. Just my $0.02 ..... Arjan Hulsebos arjanh@nikhefh.nikhef.nl From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 28-MAR-1991 16 :03:41.17 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 28 Mar 91 16:03 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8075; Thu, 28 Mar 91 16:00:55 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:00:38 MST From: almartin@NMSU.EDU Subject: BOC Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9B611E3D9E7F201544@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Oh, just to join the oyster cult..... The Blue Oyster Cult Trevor (Imaginos on the MUD circuit) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 1-APR-1991 17 :45:23.75 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Whilst on Club Ninja... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 1 Apr 91 17:45 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4173; Mon, 01 Apr 91 17:42:36 EST Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 15:42:42 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Whilst on Club Ninja... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <982E41A285FF20245C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA As long as the topic has come up, has anybody else out there read that Alan Lanier did not play on Club Ninja for the same reason we've been talking about it, i.e., he was disguisted with the musical content and took off. I read that in one of those rock encyclopedias, not sure which one. Oh yeah....has anybody ever read the story "At the window" by HP Lovecraft? The similarities between it and the whole Imaginos album are incredible, although it is not 100% the same. Basically, in some New England town, existed a cult which operated out of some church (the church being a front for the cult, which conducted human sacrafices and such). They worshipped a small, black obsidian block "oddly sculpted with weird angles", which held the power of SEVEN dark god type things in another land. Check it out... Kind of makes you wonder. Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 14 :18:04.29 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Heavy music and Graceland Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:17 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9002; Thu, 04 Apr 91 14:14:57 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 13:51:52 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: Heavy music and Graceland Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95EFBA727D5F202686@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA >I'd like to know whether the members of this group think that this thunderous >style is a requirement to be a top ten imaginitive album of the '80s. No, I don't think that hard rock is the only medium for Imaginative Rock. I do think that hard, heavy bands pull off the I.R. theme most effectively. >Because I'll tell you, I think one of the greatest albums of the past decade >is Paul Simon's "Graceland," Agreed. Graceland is a superb piece of music and poetry. Great for the beach, or any sort of sunny outdoor activity. >So are these lyrics enough? Can I nominate "Graceland" for the '80s >top ten album list? Fine by me. I will say that Graceland is pretty fantastic, but sounds particularly 'bright,' unlike most other music I find Imaginative. Let's just say that I love listening to Black Sabbath during inclement weather, while Graceland just feels wrong when accompanied by storms and rain. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 17 :02:14.34 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1329; Thu, 04 Apr 91 16:53:03 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:52:39 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95D8D539779F202961@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Ooops...sorry about that last one.... I've never really thought to look at political music from a fantasy/occult type viewpoint. I guess if you can get above reading messages into that style of music, it could be considered exceptionally imaginative. I'm not sayint anything deragatory about music that packs a politcal punch, obviously one can listen and like the music without having to listen to the politics. But whether I subscribe to the politcal beliefs or not, I always find it hard to get above the messages intwined in the lyrics. Incidentally, I do liked the Graceland album. But, now I have to quit talking so damn intelligent because ****************************************************************************** ************** BLUE OYSTER CULT APR 30 ALBQUERQUE, NM *************** ****************************************************************************** So much for the exam I have on May 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 17 :44:49.93 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Sabbath on the Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:44 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1984; Thu, 04 Apr 91 17:40:20 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:40:00 EST From: Chris Bird Subject: Sabbath on the Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95D2DE751C7F202799@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I thought that it was kind of interesting to see that a lot of you were talking about Paul Simon on the boc list. Don't get me wrong, I love Paul Simon, I think he's a great songwriter and that Graceland album is a hell of a Masterpiece. Personally, my favorite songs of his are Late in the Evening and 50 ways to leave your lover. Anyway, I heard someone mention how they would want to listen to him on a sunny day and Black Sabbath on a gloomy or rainy day. Well I have been listening to a lot of Sabbath lately and I thought I'd say something about them. Last Saturday night, My Rock Band was playing a party at my friends house (By the way we do War Pigs, Paranoid, The Wizard and Sweet Leaf). Well we were playing and getting pretty drunk and it turned out that I had to stay the night at my friends because I was in no Condition to drive. I spent the night along with another band member and when we woke up and were eating breakfast and drinking coffee, he popped in Black Sabbath's first album on the stereo. It was a beautiful Sunday morning and here we were, listening to Black Sabbath. If any of you don't have that album or haven't listened to it in a while, I suggest that you try this. There's not many things weirder than listening to Black Sabbath on a beautiful Sunday Morning after a hard night of partying. This Album is Soooooo evil. Ozzy Just has the most mesmerizing voice I've ever heard on any album. And the lyrics really grab you. I just got the coolest feeling when we were listening to this, especially from N.I.B. when Ozzy Sings: Look into my eyes, You'll see who I am. My name is Lucifer, please take my hand. I just got the biggest kick out of listening to this band on a Sunday Morning and I thought I'd suggest to you Guys that if you're ever feeling shitty on a Sunday Morning after a big Party, Pop this Album in, It's a rush! Chris Bird From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 17 :47:52.58 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Susy???? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:46 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2152; Thu, 04 Apr 91 17:42:43 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 15:42:21 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Susy???? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95D2910C859F202E9E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Ok..this something I've ALWAYS wondered about. Who is this Susy person? Her name comes up in at least one song on almost every BOC album!!! Is this just a creation of these guys so mere mortals like us will waste our time wondering about her, or was she an old girlfriend or something? Anybody? Ideas? If I ever get to meet any of the guys (which may be a very distinct possiblity in Albuquerque as its a very small club), this will be my first question!!! 'Til the Empress Wakes Up, - Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 17 :48:19.10 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2292; Thu, 04 Apr 91 17:44:28 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:23:56 PST From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95D25B1FE53F202EA3@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA >I'd like to know whether the members of this group think that this thunderous >style is a requirement to be a top ten imaginitive album of the '80s. Of course not, but most bands that incorporate these themes happen to be 'heavy' bands. Hey, you forgot Hawkwind!!!!! scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 4-APR-1991 19 :46:48.00 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:45 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3850; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:42:58 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:21:35 LCL From: GVACANO@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: RE: Top Ten of the '80s Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95C1E068BEDF20296D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA As Doremi Fasol Latido and Sonic Attack indicate, Hawkwind is certainly capable of being "thunderous". Which is fine. What in the world is wrong with a little thunder every now and then? From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 11 :53:07.88 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Sabotage and Re: Sabbath on the Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:51 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4572; Fri, 05 Apr 91 11:48:48 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 09:23:33 EST From: Ron Rader Subject: Sabotage and Re: Sabbath on the Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <953AFB17E03F203EB3@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > Anyway, I heard someone mention how they would >want to listen to him on a sunny day and Black Sabbath on a gloomy or rainy >day. Yup, that was me. I usually discuss non-BOC/Hawkwind stuff here ;) . > I just got the biggest kick out of listening to this band on a Sunday >Morning and I thought I'd suggest to you Guys that if you're ever feeling >shitty on a Sunday Morning after a big Party, Pop this Album in, It's a rush! > > Chris Bird Well, ya know I never though of Sabbath as a hangover cure, but thinking about it, you're right! BTW, I noticed that lots of Sabbath lyrics are missing from the server. I'm especially interested in Sabotage. Maybe I'll attempt to transcribe them; anyone else interested? Sabotage is amongst my favorite albums of all time, bar none. I feel it's about the best heavy rock exercise in manic depression, ever. I also notice that Sabotage is the least well known Sabbath album (well, other than the post-Born Again stuff. I have yet to listen to Seventh Son or whatever and Tyr). Are there any other Sabbath Fans who really get into Sabotage? Won't you help me Mr. Jesus? Won't you tell me if you can? When you see this world we live in do you still believe in Man? -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 13 :10:22.69 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sabotage and Re: Sabbath on the Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:10 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5679; Fri, 05 Apr 91 13:07:15 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:08:00 EST From: Chris Bird Subject: RE: Sabotage and Re: Sabbath on the Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9530009A66FF203A66@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I just bought Sabotage about 10 days ago and I also think that its is great! Especially "Symptom of the Universe", Which must be one of the first speed metal songs, all those riffs remind me of Metallica and Slayer. I would be very interested in getting the lyrics to this Album posted. I would also be interseted in helping if anyone needs my assistance. I also noticed that when I got the file for the Already existing Sabbath lyrics that a lot of them were innacurate. I think some of the lyrics on Sabotage are hard to decifer and it would be neccesary for a lot of people to be involved in this project. -Chris Bird P.S. Do you think we should post the words to "Supertzar"? Ha, Ha :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 13 :27:39.94 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Another look at that top 10... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:27 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6366; Fri, 05 Apr 91 13:24:42 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:25:35 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Another look at that top 10... Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <952D9D048B9F203CD2@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Alright! Nice to see Piece of Mind on yer list! Of course, even happier to see Imaginos as #1, but even better to see Siege and Investiture as #1 song.... I always imagin that song being played LOUD (e99) with zillions of stacks of Marshalls...... Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 13 :42:53.08 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Magna of Illusion Lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:42 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6814; Fri, 05 Apr 91 13:40:00 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:40:25 MST From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Magna of Illusion Lyrics Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <952B77411ABF203A7C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Knowing that BOC lyrics are next to impossible to decipher, I think that the line in Magna of Illusion that the lyric service says goes Sea dogs and (rockers?? :-) will dwell on the dunes I think it goes Sea dogs in rockers who, dwell on doom Rockers being the rocking chairs the ol' sea dogs kick back in while they are dwelling on doom :) Maybe? Brian b. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 14 :07:03.68 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Magna of Illusion Lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 14:06 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7497; Fri, 05 Apr 91 14:03:04 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 12:58:58 -0600 From: Matthew Braun Subject: RE: Magna of Illusion Lyrics Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95281F1347DF20385A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA -------- In Brian b. writes: > Knowing that BOC lyrics are next to impossible to decipher, I think that the > line in Magna of Illusion that the lyric service says goes > Sea dogs and (rockers?? :-) will dwell on the dunes > I think it goes > Sea dogs in rockers who, dwell on doom Rockers being the rocking chairs the > ol' sea dogs kick back in while they > are dwelling on doom :) > Maybe? Maybe. (I tried to rationalize what "rockers" was doing in there, and never thought of rocking chairs. Now it seems obvious. :-) ) I still can't tell if it's "doom" or "the dune". (`The dune' being any dune of sand along the coast of a sea, where an old sea-dog would surely retire.) I don't think it's `who', though. The only word that really does come through clearly there is `will'. So, Sea dogs in rockers will, dwell on doom sound better? I also think the last lines go: More light than sun, More dark than night, and more a snare than love. Sheesh, what a cheezy discussion. :-) m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--- I want to change the world -----------------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | I want to make it well. | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | How can I change the world | +----Cupertino CA Chapter---+---- When I can't change myself ? ---------[TR]-+ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 14 :27:18.50 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Sabbath's Sabotage Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 14:26 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8177; Fri, 05 Apr 91 14:24:01 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:56:15 EST From: mwm Subject: Sabbath's Sabotage Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95254D3BB73F202824@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Ron said: > Sabotage is amongst my favorite albums of all time, bar none. I feel it's >about the best heavy rock exercise in manic depression, ever. I also notice >that Sabotage is the least well known Sabbath album (well, other than the OPINION ALERT!!! Absolutely, with no doubt. This is my fave Sabbath album with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath a close second. To me, these two albums represent Black Sabbath at thier best. None of thier other albums stand up as well. I must admit that I am from the old guard and gave up on Sabbath shortly after Oz left. I kinda like the Dio stuff, but the last stuff I actually listened to was Gillian's stuff, then they fell off the earth as far as I'm concerned. Headless Cross??? C'mon. :^( Not that Ozzy's stuff was particularily stellar. Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman are great, but when Randy bought the farm, so did the Oz-monsters creative impetus. Jake E. Lee??? Who? ;^) Back to Sabotage: I think the reason I like Sabotage and SBS more than the others is because Tony's loud, CRISP guitar parts and the clean mix on the album. Not as "muddled" as other Sab albums (Vol 4 comes to mind). And Ozzy never sounded better. I think that the Sab's themselves consider Sabotage to be thier best album. That is, not counting Technical Ecstasy ;^). (Technical Ecstasy is their absolute worst album (IMHO) and is for fanatics only. - Its Black Sabbath's version of Club Ninja :^) As for favorite picks on Sabotage, Megalomania, Hole in the Sky, The Writ, and The Thrill of It All are all amazing kick-ass tunes. The song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" from the eponymously titled album rates as highly. If there are any budding Sabbath fans out there, I heartily recommend either of these two albums as good Sabbath primers. And all you Sab dudes that don't have these albums yet, get them now! I'd like to think all you Sab fans will agree with me, but I know I must have pissed some of you off. Just remember, these are just my opinions. See ya, Mark *Mark Marino * D. world destruction *mwm@raybed6.msd.ray.com * Over and overture *Raytheon Co. * N. do I need *Tewksbury, MA * Apostrophe T. need this torture? From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 18 :39:21.57 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sabbath's Sabotage Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:39 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2720; Fri, 05 Apr 91 18:36:34 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:33:49 LCL From: GVACANO@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: RE: Sabbath's Sabotage Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <95020D9BCD9F203E58@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Don't forget Black Sabbath 4, Technical Ecstasy (which is almost as good as Sabotage), and Never Say Die. These also epitomize "kick ass". --GNV From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 5-APR-1991 22 :58:17.18 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sabbath's Sabotage Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 5 Apr 91 22:58 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5299; Fri, 05 Apr 91 22:55:27 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 21:50:53 CST From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Sabbath's Sabotage Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <94DDE268941F203CD7@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104051925.AA16242@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "mwm" at Apr 5, 91 1:56 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > Back to Sabotage: > I think the reason I like Sabotage and SBS more than the others is > because Tony's loud, CRISP guitar parts and the clean mix on the album. Not > as "muddled" as other Sab albums (Vol 4 comes to mind). > And Ozzy never sounded better. I think that the Sab's themselves consider > Sabotage to be thier best album. That is, not counting Technical Ecstasy ;^). > (Technical Ecstasy is their absolute worst album (IMHO) and is for fanatics > only. - Its Black Sabbath's version of Club Ninja :^) Since we're tossing around opinions, I'll throw in mine :-) I too think Sabotage is their best- it's just so mind numbingly creative, different, and rockin' all at the same time. Outstanding. My second favorite would be their first LP- the monstrous blues band they really were stands out on this album like no other. Just wonderful stuff- The Wizard, Black Sabbath, Behind the Walls of Sleep- hell, they're all great. About Vol 4- tis' true this album is especially dark and 'evil', even for the Sab 4- but judging by the lyrics it was a dark time in their lives. The darkness is offset by a certain strangeness, though, almost a feeling of hope against despair. Vol.4 really gets to me. For a little BOC- anybody know anything more about their 'tour'? After playing those dates in CA and NY, and now in Albuquerque, methinks (mehopes) that they're going 'round for a pretty good sweep. --- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 8-APR-1991 09 :13:10.30 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Black Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2428; Mon, 08 Apr 91 09:11:39 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:42:00 EET From: Sami Nurmela Subject: Black Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <92F5A2DABFBF2002D7@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Well, what does this talk about BS's Sabotage being an underrated album? Almost everyone writing here seems to think that Sabotage is one of their best... me too :) I have always liked the 'wall' of sound on that album, the songs have more power than any others that Sabbath has recorded with Ozzy (BS of Dio- and Gillan-era had a bit of the same quality). Technical Ecstasy, which I like much too, has some of that magical power left, but in Never Say Die I just can't find any of it. But then again, all that magic may be just in my head... The latest Black Sabbath albums (after Born Again) have been quite dull and unimaginative. When I listened to their latest album, Tyr, I had for a moment this feeling "Hey, THIS sounds great, maybe there is some hope still" and only a second later realized that the riff I had found so great was taken directly from Master of Reality... That's kind of sad. Sami (snurmela@kontu.utu.fi) Top BS albums are (IMHO of course): Sabotage, Master of Reality, Black Sabbath, Technical Ecstasy, Born Again, Vol 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid, Heaven and Hell From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 8-APR-1991 20 :16:36.17 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Black Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 8 Apr 91 20:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4428; Mon, 08 Apr 91 20:13:33 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 20:12:15 EDT From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: RE: Black Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <929900C3DD3F20141D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Excerpts From Captions of mail: 8-Apr-91 Re: Black Sabbath V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNE@UBV (1905) >The two albums with Dio in the early 80's (the Golden Age of heavy metal, >for some of us :-) were some of the best metal (IMHO) ever produced. The >lyrics were mystical (though pretty nonsensical - it IS Dio, after all :), >the music was powerful and haunting. I would so love to see that lineup do >another album... Somehow I get the feeling that Dio and his ego will never allow such a thing, though. When he is through with a project, he is THROUGH with the project---i.e. don't look for another Elf, Rainbow, BS album with Ronnie James Dio. BTW, I always loved his speaking voice. He would sound like your English Lit professor when he spoke and scream like Gillan when he sang! ------------------------------------------------------------------- marty schwartz | "The only reason we have | "Heeeeeeee cmu***pittsburgh | technology is because we | shoots and where the penguins are | are basically lazy." | scores!!!" in 1st! (no, not opus) | "But, I am recycling!" | - Mike Lang ------------------------------------------------------------------- "And if you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar." --- Marillion From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 8-APR-1991 20 :20:47.60 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Black Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 8 Apr 91 20:19 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4584; Mon, 08 Apr 91 20:15:21 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 20:14:05 EDT From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: RE: Black Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <92987981181F201131@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Excerpts From Captions of mail: 8-Apr-91 Re: Black Sabbath V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNE@UBV (1905) >> When I listened to their latest album, Tyr, >> I had for a moment this feeling "Hey, THIS sounds great, maybe there >> is some hope still" and only a second later realized that the riff I >> had found so great was taken directly from Master of Reality... >> That's kind of sad. Is there a reason why Tyr sounds a lot like Blue Murder? I was noticing that the other day, but I don't have Tyr to check the current lead singer of BS. ------------------------------------------------------------------- marty schwartz | "The only reason we have | "Heeeeeeee cmu***pittsburgh | technology is because we | shoots and where the penguins are | are basically lazy." | scores!!!" in 1st! (no, not opus) | "But, I am recycling!" | - Mike Lang ------------------------------------------------------------------- "And if you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar." --- Marillion From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 9-APR-1991 18 :47:08.62 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Black Sabbath Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 9 Apr 91 18:46 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1422; Tue, 09 Apr 91 18:45:46 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 18:45:00 EST From: Chris Bird Subject: RE: Black Sabbath Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <91DC5002B69F201320@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I like the first Black Sabbath the best also because Ozzy's lyrics and singing never sound pop at all. If you know what I mean. For example, in The line in Sabbath Bloody Sabbath that starts out: Nobody will ever let you know... sounds kind of poppish to me. Don't get me wrong, I like that song and the Album but the first album I love because Ozzy's voice is so evil, like he is the devil himself. I hate pop music. I think the some of the reason for this is because he sings a lot lower throughout the album and his voice gets more evil. For Example: My feelings were a little bit too strong, Just a little bit too strong. Ozzy is really trying to hold out that last low note and I think it sounds great. By the way, for those of you who know music, that low note is only a D which any tenor should be able to hit, I guess that gives us an Idea of how high Ozzy's voice really is. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 9-APR-1991 22 :30:49.97 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Jethro Tull Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3257; Tue, 09 Apr 91 22:29:23 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:29:00 EST From: BILL TAUB Subject: Jethro Tull Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <91BD19C687BF201648@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA There seemse to be many rumors goinbg around these days regarding many bands. The most recent one, regarding Roger Waters returning to Pink Floyd, strikes me as the most assinine stupidity one can imagine. The likelyhood of such an event will coincide with skiing in hell. Another rumor is a Led Zep tour this summer. As much as I do not want to see this (for ethical reasons), there actually seems to be some facts supporting this... apparantly Swan Song inc. has been buying stadium soundsystems, trucks, stage-systems, etc.. for the past year. The only band on this label that could currently sell stadium seating was Zep. I regret, that if they are going on tour, it has become nescacary for them to tour stadiums... where the fans loose out to an area too large to sound decent, poor seating, and all the other stupid hassals involved with stadium show logistsics. The final rumor that has been killing me is that Ian Anderson, of Jethro Tull fame, has given up rock music, thus disbanding his band. This has happend before... but it never seems to last too long. Does anyone have any further details regarding these rumors? From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 00 :39:12.98 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Jethro Tull Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 00:38 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4345; Wed, 10 Apr 91 00:38:11 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 23:36:36 EST From: aburnett@ECN.PURDUE.EDU Subject: RE: Jethro Tull Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <91AB2050979F201752@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List X-cc: Andy Burnett In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 09 Apr 91 22:29:00 EST. <9104100228.AA18784@en.ecn.purdue.edu> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA >The final rumor that has been killing me is that Ian Anderson, of Jethro >Tull fame, has given up rock music, thus disbanding his band. This has >happend before... but it never seems to last too long. What I had heard was that Ian was going to quit for a couple of years and work the farm that he had recently purchased. &y Burnett From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 02 :23:35.40 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Jethro Tull Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 02:23 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5065; Wed, 10 Apr 91 02:22:40 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 02:21:00 EST From: BILL TAUB Subject: RE: Jethro Tull Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <919C8A46491F2014B5@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I understand the demands of Mr. Anderson's farm life... You can find out more about that side of the one-legged flutist's lifestyle in a documentary "Fish-Sheep and Rock-&-Roll" It has been aired on the, belive it or not, Discovery Channel. A Freind of mine was walking through Macy's one day... he looked over and Ian Anderson was sitting at a disply table offering free samples of his Salmon. Rock and rollers do indeed lead inetersting lives. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 10 :29:22.26 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Jethro Tull Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3174; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:27:31 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:28:00 EST From: Chris Bird Subject: RE: Jethro Tull Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9158B07ACE1F201D48@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Ian Anderson is going into the fish farming business, at least that is what I've heard. I've also heard that this business he is getting into is going to make him more money than Tull ever did. Pretty lucrative. Besides, the last Tull album (Rock Island) sucked rocks if you ask me, so maybe its good that he's getting out of Rock. He gave us so many good albums anyway, I think he has put his two bits worth into Rock and Roll wouldn't you say. -Chris Bird P.S. Is there a Jethro Tull list out there? If there is could someone send me address to write to so I can get on it. I love Tull. "Your never too old to Rock and Roll if your too young to die" -Ian Anderson From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 10 :44:47.54 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Jethro Tull Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:43 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3562; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:42:01 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 17:39:11 +0300 From: Niko Makila Subject: RE: Jethro Tull Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9156983D955F201BAA@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9104101428.AA10274@finsun.csc.fi> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Might as well send this to the list... Chris> P.S. Is there a Jethro Tull list out there? If there is could someone Chris> send me address to write to so I can get on it. I love Tull. Yes, there is. Send mail to JTull-request@uiuc.edu and tell you want to join (well, that's obvious). And I also recall that JT is about to release an album. Maybe I remember wrong. Join you all to the list and ask. Tell I sent you and I might become FAMOUS and RICH and ALL! // niko From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 16 :35:30.68 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: P. Smith Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9647; Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:31:36 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:22:19 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: P. Smith Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9125A7845F7F202BB1@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Can anyone explain to me the exact relationship between BOC and Patti Smith? She is credited as co-writer on several BOC songs, and sings the watery vocal on "Vera Gemini." Was she romantically linked with one of the boys?... And what do any of you think of her music? I thought "Horses" was one of the weirdest albums of the '70s, but it had its own magnetic power. "Wave" was much more accessible and a lot of fun to listen to. I blinked and missed her recent comeback. Did I miss much? Jaybee From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 10-APR-1991 16:35:30.68 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: P. Smith Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9647; Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:31:36 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 16:22:19 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: P. Smith Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <9125A7845F7F202BB1@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Can anyone explain to me the exact relationship between BOC and Patti Smith? She is credited as co-writer on several BOC songs, and sings the watery vocal on "Vera Gemini." Was she romantically linked with one of the boys?... And what do any of you think of her music? I thought "Horses" was one of the weirdest albums of the '70s, but it had its own magnetic power. "Wave" was much more accessible and a lot of fun to listen to. I blinked and missed her recent comeback. Did I miss much? Jaybee From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 13-APR-1991 03:34:16.04 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 13 Apr 91 03:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3978; Sat, 13 Apr 91 03:32:21 EDT Date: Sat, 13 Apr 91 03:29:47 -0400 From: Joseph Malcolm Subject: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8F372A5FB1BF608691@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA I've lately gotten into Hawkwind(thanks to this list :), and I've only found two of their albums so far(Space Bandits and the Xenon Codex), both of which are pretty cool. Most of their other stuff seems to be relatively inaccessible in the US. Any good places to go(keep in mind I'm in MD) or write to? BTW, does anyone on this list listen to Candlemass? They also have fairly heavily fantasy-influenced lyrics. I especially like Tales of Creation. -- jmalcolm@sura.net "Ia! Ia!" From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 14-APR-1991 03:55:32.88 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Re: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 14 Apr 91 03:55 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7990; Sun, 14 Apr 91 03:52:52 EDT Date: Sun, 14 Apr 91 03:51:25 -0400 From: Joseph Malcolm Subject: RE: Re: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8E6B07E4EAFF609CBA@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9104131939.AA07531@sura.net> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List says: >If there's a Tower Records near you (in DC, maybe?) then that would be >a good place to start. I picked up my copies of Levitation and Xenon >Codex at a TR in Boston. There is indeed a Tower Records in Rockville. The last time I was there, they didn't seem to have any I didn't have, but I'll look more carefully the next time I'm there, which may not be for a while, considering I have no car. :( >Steve has the names of some (reputable, supposedly :) mail order places >that carry import Hawkwind stuff, I'll get it from him, and post it to >the list sometimes soon. > >Do any of the Brits (or other overseas folks) on the list know of any >mail order houses there that deal with the U.S. (and specifically, >ones that carry Hawkwind stuff) ? This would be useful in general. There is a fair amount of stuff available in England and Europe that is a bit hard to find here. >>BTW, does anyone on this list listen to Candlemass? They also >>have fairly heavily fantasy-influenced lyrics. I especially like >>Tales of Creation. > >I'll get back to this later. Gotta go eat dinner. Tales of Mastication. >:-) Indeed. :) I'll wait. -- jmalcolm@sura.net "Ia! Ia!" From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 14-APR-1991 17:08:49.01 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 14 Apr 91 17:08 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2386; Sun, 14 Apr 91 17:07:20 EDT Date: Sun, 14 Apr 91 17:06:19 -0400 From: Joseph Malcolm Subject: RE: Where to get Hawkwind CDs? Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8DFC33D0A8DF603B3F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA >I'm pretty sure Tower will transfer CD's from one branch to another, if >you nag them. They also do special orders, I believe. I'll have to nag them. :) > [much useful information deleted] Thanks. Now, does anyone know definitely which Hawkwind albums are and are not available? (In particular, is Chronicle of the Black Sword still "in print"(or whatever)?) -- jmalcolm@sura.net "Ia! Ia!" From: UBVMS::V125LQBX 17-APR-1991 19:02:48.92 To: IN%"boc-l@ubvm" CC: V125LQBX Subj: Sandy Pearlman Does anybody else think that Sandy Pearlman's production values leave something to be desired? (leave a whole new producer to be desired? :-) What I mean is that the sound on BOC albums varies - the mix, the level the various intruments are recorded at, the clarity of it all, how well it all falls together to compose the complete "sound" of an album, etc... It seems to me that the Pearlman-produced albums are a bit muddy sounding, even Imaginos, where you can hardly understand the lyrics (it's not the fault of the vocalist - just listen to Eric on other albums, he's usually clear as a bell). The best produced albums seem to be the brace done by Martin Birch: Cultosaurus Erectus and Fire of Unknown Origin, although there's really something to be said for Mirrors' and Club Ninja's clarity as well... I can't say all bad things about Pearlman, because when the band split without finishing Imaginos, he was left with nothing but the basic tracks, and out of that he created what I think is really the greatest of all BOC albums. But I -really- wish that I could follow the lyrics better.... Brian From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 18-APR-1991 12:30:28.52 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sandy Pearlman Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 18 Apr 91 12:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4431; Thu, 18 Apr 91 12:28:51 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 10:48:51 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: RE: Sandy Pearlman Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8AFE73CF3D3F611B16@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 17 Apr 91 19:02:00 EST from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA IMHO, the best-produced BOC album is "Tyrrany and Mutation," a production of Pearlman and Krugman. That epic crash of sound at the start of "The Red and the Black" is worthy of Phil Spector. The instruments are sharp, the cymbals are clear, everything's right up front, but the lyrics are not generally intelligible. Maybe that's intentional--not that the lyrics are to be obscured, but that the instruments are to be heard in front. Anyway, I agree, all other Pearlman produced albums are murky and dim. Even the guitars are sometimes hard to hear. I wonder why? JB From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 19-APR-1991 00:58:01.52 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind (The Xenon Codex) Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 19 Apr 91 00:37 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7277; Fri, 19 Apr 91 00:36:09 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 23:34:16 EST From: aburnett@ECN.PURDUE.EDU Subject: Hawkwind (The Xenon Codex) Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8A98DBFD87BF612F44@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA Ok, now I can join in on the Hawkwind discussion. I just went out and bought (well, not actually, I got it for free by buying another disc) The Xenon Codex. The first time I listened to it, I didn't like it, but now as I listen to it for the 7th time, I love it! How do the other Hawkwind albums compare to this one (this is my first HW album). Sorry if this has been beat to death, but I never really paid much attention to the Hawkwind stuff that was posted (stupid me!). &y Burnett burnett@ecn.purdue.edu From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List" 19-APR-1991 05:22:06.69 To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lovecraft & Imaginos Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 19 Apr 91 05:21 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9093; Fri, 19 Apr 91 05:20:43 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 05:20:16 EDT From: Matti Varis Subject: Lovecraft & Imaginos Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" , "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Message-id: <8A711AB32D7F613B19@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104151916.AA15001@saha.hut.fi>; from "JBOWERS%GWUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Apr 15, 91 2:59 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K, CHAN93%SBUFVA > > >Oh yeah....has anybody ever read the story "At the window" by HP Lovecraft? > >The similarities between it and the whole Imaginos album are incredible, > >although it is not 100% the same.... > I've been looking for this story and can't find it. Is there any chance > that it has another name in some editions? Is this story also known > as "The Shadow Over Innsmouth?" Or was it possibly co-written by the ... I have also noticed similarities between Imaginos album and Lovecrafts "The Shadow over Innsmouth". Could it be that the original poster remembered the name of the story wrong. You see, I have a complete HPL bibliography (puplished by a finnish Science- fiction/fantasy/horror magasine), and there should not be a story called "At the window". If Imaginos really was based on Lovecrafts works, the boyz really succeeded to capture that nightmarish feeling on the album. Matti Varis From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 20-APR-1991 18:14:19.02 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Susy??? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 20 Apr 91 18:14 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4229; Sat, 20 Apr 91 18:12:46 EDT Date: Sat, 20 Apr 91 16:12:12 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Susy??? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <893C1179085F60CE36@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Ok..this something I've ALWAYS wondered about. Who is this Susy person? Her name comes up in at least one song on almost every BOC album!!! Is this just a creation of these guys so mere mortals like us will waste our time wondering about her, or was she an old girlfriend or something? Anybody? Ideas? If I ever get to meet any of the guys (which may be a very distinct possiblity in Albuquerque as its a very small club), this will be my first question!!! 'Til the Empress Wakes Up, - Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 20-APR-1991 21:03:08.04 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind Concert coming up Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 20 Apr 91 21:03 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4961; Sat, 20 Apr 91 21:01:50 EDT Date: Sat, 20 Apr 91 21:01:13 EDT From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Hawkwind Concert coming up Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8924772A487F61601E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K An announcement for those who are interested and within decent driving distance of D.C. Hawkwind will be playing the 9:30 Club on May 12 in Washington, DC. I read this in the Post's Weekend section yesterday. Later, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marty schwartz | "The only reason we have | "Ah, buy Sam a cmu***pittsburgh | technology is because we | drink and his where the penguins play | are basically lazy." | dog one, too!" (no, not opus) | - me (I said this) | - Mike Lang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "And if you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar." --- Marillion From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 17:21:54.17 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Susy Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 17:21 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9572; Sun, 21 Apr 91 17:20:21 EDT Date: Sun, 21 Apr 91 16:13:28 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: Susy Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <887A380EE47F616A5C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Just how many songs is Susy mentioned in? I can only think of two, offhand. Dominance and Submission Before the Kiss, A Redcap I don't have my lyrics online to grep through. :-) -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 18:31:42.50 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Susy Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 18:31 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0193; Sun, 21 Apr 91 18:30:24 EDT Date: Sun, 21 Apr 91 16:29:38 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Susy Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8870740658FF616259@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > Just how many songs is Susy mentioned in? I can only think of two, offhand. > Dominance and Submission > Before the Kiss, A Redcap "Come Susy dear, lets take a walk, just out there upon the beach...." ASTRONOMY!!! Its also in some others, I'm sure, can't really think of 'em off hand, but one time a while ago I sat down and listened and wrote them all down...it was something like 5 or so. -Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 22:54:15.92 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: more Suzy/Susie Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 22:54 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1862; Sun, 21 Apr 91 22:52:55 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 02:51:43 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: more Suzy/Susie Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <884BC75D087F616182@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K The Marshall Plan too Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 23:02:02.94 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: M. Moorcock Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2054; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:00:39 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 02:57:24 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: M. Moorcock Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <884AB188C3FF6170A9@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Is M. Moorcock (co-writer on Black Blade and Veteran of the Psychic Wars) the same as the sci-fi novel writer? I would put these two songs in my top-ten BOC songs. I get a little tired of hearing Godzilla, ...Reaper, Burnin'..., Dancin'... on the radio. These are probably the only ones are local rock station plays. I did a few tracks of Imaginos when it came out. They commonly have three-in-a-row and if BOC is played it's always one of the above. There's nothing wrong with the songs, I've just heard them too many times. I hardly ever listen to the radio to be honest. Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 23:12:54.18 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC: If I had to pick one.... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:12 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2214; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:11:03 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 03:09:11 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: BOC: If I had to pick one.... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <88492D38CE7F617A04@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I don't want to start a big argument, just a little more BOC discussion. Occasionally, I play one song on each BOC CD just to make my own "best of" compilation. I always pick a song that I don't hear over the air waves (i.e. radio, like I discussed in a separate e-mail) or commonly played on the live albums. If I had to pick one, I would choose the following (I'm not saying these songs are the best on each album either): BOC: Workshop of the Telescopes (turn the end up loud and make the room shake) TAM: O.D.'d on Life Itself ST: Career of Evil AOF: Tatoo Vampire Spe: Golden Age of Leather Mir: The Vigil CE: Black Blade (better on ETL) FUO: Veteran of the Psychic Wars TRN: Feel the Thunder CN: Shadow Warrior Ima: In the Presence of Another World Well those are my picks. Most aren't hits, but that's probably why I like them. Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 21-APR-1991 23:40:41.71 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Susy??? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:40 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2492; Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:39:18 EDT Date: Sun, 21 Apr 91 23:37:21 -0500 From: tdh@PO.CWRU.EDU Subject: RE: Susy??? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <88454B6F043F61606F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >Maybe I should create a new archive file: BOC mythology. We tried to nail >down a few of the recurrent BOC themes some time ago, and we mostly drew >blanks. > Yes! This would be an excellent idea! Tom Halter /\ Internet:tdh@po.cwru.edu / \___________ America Online:Tdh1 __--/ \-__ Case Western Reserve University __-- / \ -__ /________\ -__ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 04:20:11.23 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: M. Moorcock Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 04:20 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4145; Mon, 22 Apr 91 04:18:50 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 04:18:13 EDT From: Matti Varis Subject: RE: M. Moorcock Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <881E3F66A43F617A67@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104220302.AA00875@saha.hut.fi>; from "tom wilson" at Apr 22, 91 2:57 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > > Is M. Moorcock (co-writer on Black Blade and Veteran of the Psychic Wars) > the same as the sci-fi novel writer? Yes he is. I think that was mentioned in the booklet of "Career Of Evil"- collection. Matti. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 04:34:46.61 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: M. Moorcock Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 04:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4325; Mon, 22 Apr 91 04:33:28 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 11:30:03 +0300 From: Niko Makila Subject: RE: M. Moorcock Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <881C34AFA39F61746E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >> Is M. Moorcock (co-writer on Black Blade and Veteran of the Psychic Wars) >> the same as the sci-fi novel writer? > Yes he is. I think that was mentioned in the booklet of "Career Of Evil"- > collection. True. And as this is also a Hawkwind list I'll add that Moorcock has had much more to do with Hawkwind than BOC. In the past Moorcock was quite often on tour with Hawkwind reciting poems and well I guess all the other 'stuff' they were doing... You can hear Moorcock's poems at least on Warrior On The Edge Of Time an Space Ritual (I guess). Moorcock also had own band called The Deep Fix and an album. //niko From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 14:28:12.98 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: M. Moorcock Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:27 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2505; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:26:13 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 11:20:01 PDT From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: M. Moorcock Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <87C95307AB1F619458@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > True. And as this is also a Hawkwind list I'll add that > Moorcock has had much more to do with Hawkwind than BOC. In > the past Moorcock was quite often on tour with Hawkwind > reciting poems and well I guess all the other 'stuff' they > were doing... > > You can hear Moorcock's poems at least on Warrior On The Edge > Of Time an Space Ritual (I guess). Moorcock also had own band > called The Deep Fix and an album. Moorcock appears on _Warrior On The Edge Of Time_ and _Sonic Attack_, some of the spoken pieces on _Space Ritual_ are his. The album _Chronicles Of The Black Sword_ was written with him, but due to unspecified clashes between him and the band, he did not appear on the album. It's unknown to me wether or not he had any part in the shows for this album, the programme for tour (of which I have a copy) make no mention of it if so. See my Hawkwind Discography Of Doom for (mostly) complete info on Moorcock's Deep Fix recordings. scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 16:32:14.67 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Susy??? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:31 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5634; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:27:13 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 13:24:28 PDT From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Susy??? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <87B80D54B65F618679@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > Transmaniacon MC - the Transmaniacon Motor Club Something you might want to keep an eye open for in used bookshops, is a science-fiction novel titled "Transmaniacon MC". It's the first book by well-known "cyberpunk" author John Shirley (who used to have a band The Monitors when he lived in Portland OR, pretty good.) I've seen in but not read it, and I know it features the Cult's hooked cross on at least on page. Wish I knew more, but I've not read it. Still looking for it though..... scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 19:53:29.85 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 19:53 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8580; Mon, 22 Apr 91 19:51:30 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 19:52:00 EST From: Chris Bird Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <879BE10E3E7F619D02@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I really don't see what the big deal is when you guys get all bothered by discussions going on in the list that aren't of just BOC or Hawkwind. If you don't want to see any of that kind of mail then just delete it from your directory. I mean I've been on this list for 3 months and I've have been concentrating my discussions on Black Sabbath. I really don't know much about BOC or Hawkwind but some of the discussions are interesting to me so I stay on the list. Besides I really haven't seen much alternating discussions of other bands anyway but I have seen at least 4 letters of people bitching about it. Personally I think the letters that are being critical of the people not Paying all their attention to BOC and Hawkwind are more annoying than the letters that don't pay attention to BOC and Hawkwind themselves. It's not that big of a deal and I think a lot of people on the list would agree with me. -Chris Bird From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 22:18:48.74 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:18 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0522; Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:16:50 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:06:57 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <878792ADA31F619F53@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I really don't see what the big deal is when you guys get all bothered by discussions going on in the list that aren't of just BOC or Hawkwind. If you don't want to see any of that kind of mail then just delete it from your directory. I mean I've been on this list for 3 months and I've have been concentrating my discussions on Black Sabbath. I really don't know much about BOC or Hawkwind but some of the discussions are interesting to me so I stay on the list. Besides I really haven't seen much alternating discussions of other bands anyway but I have seen at least 4 letters of people bitching about it. Personally I think the letters that are being critical of the people not Paying all their attention to BOC and Hawkwind are more annoying than the letters that don't pay attention to BOC and Hawkwind themselves. It's not that big of a deal and I think a lot of people on the list would agree with me. -Chris Bird I do not agree with you. This list is the medium for a special interest group, not for general interests. Discussions focused on Pink Floyd and Queensryche (two of my favorite bands) have NOTHING to do with fantasy themes in rock and roll, and NOTHING to do with either Hawkwind or BOC. Why in the world should we create another alt.rock list by discussing everything under the sun? The uniqueness of this list is a big deal. -Guido Vacano From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 22-APR-1991 22:34:19.82 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hi... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:34 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0910; Mon, 22 Apr 91 22:32:28 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 21:52:03 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Hi... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <878566942FDF618F16@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K HI, I am new to this list, but am interested in forms of music influenced by fantasy, though I do not know anything by HawkWind and only 'Seasons Don't fear the Reaper' and another song I can't rememeber by BOC. At least I am pretty sure Seasons is by BOC. I am an avid fan of Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Dio however. With many bootlegs... :) I would like to throw the following out to the group as fantasy/sci-fi influenced music: RUSH (Specifically 2112, Hemispheres, A Farewell to Kings) FATES WARNING (Awaken the Guardian, The Spectre Within) KING DIAMOND (Abigail) VOIVOD -Dan "And all the fools sailed away" -Dio From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 04:57:01.64 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 04:56 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4630; Tue, 23 Apr 91 04:55:43 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:38:35 PDT From: James Preston Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <874FEE6561DF619A04@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Brian writes: > A. Similar bands > 1. bands whose music is like BOC or Hawkwind > 2. ripoff bands (whose music is -exactly- like BOC/HW :-) Ok, I'd be interested in hearing about bands that are simliar to BOC, and even more interested in hearing about ripoffs. For that matter, I'd like to know how similiar Hawkwind is to BOC, since I've never heard the former. And I'm talking musically, i.e. how it sounds, rather than the specific lyrics content or themes. --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 05:20:59.39 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 05:20 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5158; Tue, 23 Apr 91 05:19:39 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 05:19:09 EDT From: Matti Varis Subject: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <874C956E247F61752A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104230413.AA12846@saha.hut.fi>; from "V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Apr 22, 91 11:55 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > > A lot of Lovecraft has that same touch to it. In fact, there were a whole > school of writers whose work derived from the same sources, the ideas that > we're living in the presense of an invisible world, fraught with unknown > terrors, and buried mysteries. You say there WERE a whole school of writers...; There stil IS. At least here in Finland is at least two active writers making honor to the mysterious horrors first created by HPL. And they surely aren't ripoffs, some of their stories are even better than HPL's. > I have a Francis Stevens story ('30s) called > "Unseen-Unfeared", which is very much like the idea behind "In The Presence > of Another World". There is also the HP Lovecraft story which the film > "From Beyond" is based on (can't remember the name of the story at the > moment), which has ties to that same theme. > > If you're interested in that, you might also look into the works of > Frank Belknap Long, Jr., L. Sprague DeCamp, and Clark Ashton Smith. > They've all tackled the mysteries that you find in Imaginos at one > time or another. I was already aware of DeCamp and Smith, but Long was new one for me. Is there anymore of these? > And of course there's Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein", > which isn't about a monster, it's about a man who defies the will > of God by creating eternal life on earth. WOW! "...World without end." I've got to find that one. Matti From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 07:36:18.79 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 07:36 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6037; Tue, 23 Apr 91 07:34:59 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 18:15:19 PDT From: James Preston Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8739ADEEB45F61794A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Chris Bird writes: > I really don't see what the big deal is when you guys get all bothered >by discussions going on in the list that aren't of just BOC or Hawkwind. If >you don't want to see any of that kind of mail then just delete it from your >directory. I don't want to start flaming or anything, but comments like this really annoy me. The point is not how easy or how hard it is to ignore or delete messages. The point is that this list was created for a specific purpose and topics of discussion that don't fit that purpose simply do not belong here, period. The whole point of a mailing list is to focus discussions on particular topics that interest the subscribers. On an unmoderated list such as this one, it is perfectly appropriate -- I would even go so far as to say it is necessary -- that, when discussions start to stray too far from the list's purpose, the people running the list gently remind everyone where they are. Recent messages have done exactly this gentle reminding and have attempted to clarify what is and is not appropriate on this list. Messages of rebuttal such as Mr. Bird's are entirely inappropriate. It is absolutely correct and proper that a mailing list attempt to continue to be what it was set up for in the first place rather than to become something else entirely. That some people, such as Mr. Bird, don't mind inappropriate postings is certainly not a sufficient reason to allow the list to wander off into any old topic that anyone cares to bring up. I mean, hey, why don't we just start talking about what we should do about the Kurds? --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 09:47:27.05 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 09:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7529; Tue, 23 Apr 91 09:41:02 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 09:39:30 -0500 From: tdh@PO.CWRU.EDU Subject: Hawkwind Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <872765BBE7FF60043B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I've been a die hard BOC fan for years, but I must admit that I hadn't heard of Hawkwind until I joined this list. My curiosity has been peaked, so could someone out there point me towards one of their many albums that would make a good introduction to the band for a fledgling Hawkwind fan? Tom Halter /\ Internet:tdh@po.cwru.edu / \___________ America Online:Tdh1 __--/ \-__ Case Western Reserve University __-- / \ -__ /________\ -__ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 13:51:46.66 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Unsubscribe Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 13:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3046; Tue, 23 Apr 91 13:50:00 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 13:55:01 EDT From: BPODESTA@UMASSMED.BITNET Subject: Unsubscribe Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8705400B977F601007@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K It was my understanding that the title of this group was "imaginative...", as it turned out, i was dealing with the BOC crowd...which i might add i've foun be on my way....Good luck and best wishes to all fans, BOC or not! ps. my definition of art-rock: ELP/YES/Genesis/etc... From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 14:21:03.74 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 14:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3755; Tue, 23 Apr 91 14:19:28 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 11:17:26 PDT From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <87012435445F600D55@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >I was already aware of DeCamp and Smith, but Long was new one for me. >Is there anymore of these? Also see the early books of Brian Lumley, who at the time was sometimes referred to as Lovecraft's re-incarnation. Extremely good work, the stories are set in modern times, but this does not detract in the least. scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 16:37:08.00 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 16:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7056; Tue, 23 Apr 91 16:32:27 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 09:16:00 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86EE4D7405DF600A9B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104231134.AA24638@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "James Preston" at Apr 22, 91 6:15 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Since we're all throwing in our 2 cents on the content debate, now you'll get mine... I think it's time everyone calmed down; breathe deep, take a 'lude, whatever. I don't feel there's any need to flame away, whether you are a BOC/HW purist or not. The reason I say this is because I came in this morning, and every message from this List is full of highly charged emotion, and I think it's really unnecessary. The content debate has come up before; hopefully with the name change it won't come up again. Just for the record, I don't listen to BOC much, so I don't discuss them. My submissions usually concern the 'group 3' bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, or the links between Hawkwind and Moorcock, Lemmy and Motorhead, etc. According to our Humble Moderators, these discussions are tacitly approved by the list members. Great, so I'll continue to post. Plus I'm interested in the HW stuff I don't know about. Apparently the latest debate culminating in the name change was precipitated by the REALLY tenuous discussions about the thrash bands and Paul Simon. Maybe I'm just being dense, but 90% of the non-BOC/HW discussion that I've seen on the List is deemed OK, so long as it doesn't choke out the BOC/HW discussion. So I don't understand the need for the latest pyrotechnic round of debate. I just don't want to see anyone unsubscribe out of anger at this content debate. The name change is enough, isn't it? I thought that Our Humble Moderators made it clear that a good measure of non-BOC/HW stuff was cool. Regardless, as a member of the Sabbath contingent, I feel free to contribute what I can, and hope everyone else feels likewise. In hopes your feathers are no longer ruffled, Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 17:37:02.25 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Early Rush, etc. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 17:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8064; Tue, 23 Apr 91 17:30:38 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 20:10:35 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: Early Rush, etc. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86E5C5AB8F9F601A18@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Dan Newcombe writes: > I would like to throw the following out to the group as fantasy/sci-fi > influenced music: > RUSH (Specifically 2112, Hemispheres, A Farewell to Kings) Wow, synchronicity in action! I was just thinking earlier today, when listening to _Caress of Steel_ by Rush, that their early material is very applicable to this list. And what should I find when I log on later, but a message from Dan suggesting the very same thing. Rush's early material is steeped in fantasy and sci-fi themes. To the albums that Dan mentioned, I'd add: _Caress of Steel_ (with it's Tolkien-esque "The Necromancer" and the epic "Fountain of Lamneth") and also _Fly By Night_ (with "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" [reminiscent of _CoS_'s "The Necromancer"], and "Rivendell" [Tolkien again] to name but two). My favourite track off _Caress of Steel_ has to be part 1 of "The Necromancer"---it's incredibly atmospheric! Alex Lifeson's guitar work is simply superb! [IMHO] > KING DIAMOND (Abigail) King Diamond has also done a lot of stuff which could be classified under the "horror" genre (which most folks seem to be calling "Dark Fantasy" nowadays anyway:(). A prime example of this is the album _Them_ (which I believe has a sequel called "Conspiracy" or something similar). _Them_ is a concept album; sort of like a horror movie on vinyl... King Diamond's contemporary work is along the same lines, and as such fits well into the "fantasy" side of this discussion group. (Note: King Diamond's material, at least the stuff from _Them_ onwards [as far as I'm aware], is NOT your standard death metal ravings about satan, gore, violence, etc.) > VOIVOD Yes. All the Voivod albums have a theme linking them all together. Best sci-fi example I can think of is the album _Dimension Haetross_. Crunchingly good stuff. :) Cheers, Paul. "I'd rather... Think." --- Voivod, "Technocratic Manipulators" e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 18:36:22.40 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9063; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:33:50 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:14:45 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86DD85EFEC5F600816@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Brian writes: > A. Similar bands > 1. bands whose music is like BOC or Hawkwind > 2. ripoff bands (whose music is -exactly- like BOC/HW :-) Ok, I'd be interested in hearing about bands that are simliar to BOC, and even more interested in hearing about ripoffs. For that matter, I'd like to know how similiar Hawkwind is to BOC, since I've never heard the former. And I'm talking musically, i.e. how it sounds, rather than the specific lyrics content or themes. --James Preston Personally, I like Hawkwind more than I like BOC. I don't think that they are very similar musically, but they are difficult to compare, if only because Hawkwind's music is very diverse in style. "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" is somewhat New Wave, "Doremi Fasol Latido" is VERY heavy acid rock, "Warrior on the Edge of Time" is mainly acoustic and/or mellow, "Choose Your Masques" is synthesizer laden hard and not-so-hard rock, and "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music" is...well...unclassifiable. I think that if you do like BOC, you will like Hawkwind (although you will find putting together a respectable collection of Hawkwind albums a difficult task). Their most recent work does resemble BOC a little. I think the greatest similarity might be between "Imaginos" and "Live Chronicles". Both are new, and both are (IMHO) remarkable. --Guido Vacano From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 18:47:54.92 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9249; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:37:54 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:33:36 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: Hawkwind Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86DBE5C70EDF601B65@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I've been a die hard BOC fan for years, but I must admit that I hadn't heard of Hawkwind until I joined this list. My curiosity has been peaked, so could someone out there point me towards one of their many albums that would make a good introduction to the band for a fledgling Hawkwind fan? Tom Halter /\ Internet:tdh@po.cwru.edu / \___________ America Online:Tdh1 __--/ \-__ Case Western Reserve University __-- / \ -__ /________\ -__ The main difficulty is FINDING any Hawkwind! But you should be able to find "Space Bandits" and "The Xenon Codex". Both are excellent! --Guido Vacano From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 18:50:27.11 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9504; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:46:04 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:42:03 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86DB83C0741F601377@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >I was already aware of DeCamp and Smith, but Long was new one for me. >Is there anymore of these? Also see the early books of Brian Lumley, who at the time was sometimes referred to as Lovecraft's re-incarnation. Extremely good work, the stories are set in modern times, but this does not detract in the least. scorch Also R.E. Howard! GNV From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 23-APR-1991 18:56:45.48 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: CONCERTS!!! Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9753; Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:55:18 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 18:49:59 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: CONCERTS!!! Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <86DAA03C213F60199F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Since we're talking about Hawkwind again, does anyone know whether they are planning to play anywhere within the vicinity of Connecticut? I saw the posting about a concert May 12 in Wash. D.C., but I was hoping for something a little closer. Thanx in advance, GNV _______________________________________________________________________________ "...Takes him out to look at the Queen...only place that he's ever been...always shouts out something obscene...such a dirty old man..!" **** **** --The Beatles ** ** ** ** * ** * From the Lord of Chaos ** ** ** ** **** **** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: IN%"BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 24-APR-1991 19:51:35.61 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 24 Apr 91 19:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9183; Wed, 24 Apr 91 19:47:04 EDT Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 17:36:58 bst From: M.Holmes@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8609F3B4007F601C47@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K One band who are quite similar to hawkwind is "Eloy". Named after the Eloi in H.G.Wells "The Time Machine". They are a German synth Space-Rock band, who like Hawkwind started out as protest/underground music in 1971(?) with their album "Eloy". Lineups changed, but with considerably less regularity than Hawkwind. Their early music "Colours" and "Inside" is fairly progressive/acid rock. Meditation themes play a fairly large part in some of the lyrics. Possibly the best albums to try are "Ocean" which has a long track on the birth of the Earth in Greek Legend, and "Power and the Passion" which is a concept album concerning a student who accidentally travels 600 years back in time and gets involved in a feudal uprising (and with the landowner's daughter). Later albums have a more soft heavy-metal sound. The band seem to have done shows fairly similar to hawkwind's cosmic-backdrop laser-show sort of thing. Unfortunately the first UK tour was cancelled and so I haven't seen the band live. Another German band worth listening to, in much the same vein, is Nektaar. My favourite albums are "Journey to the Centre of the Eye" and "Tab in the Ocean". I guess you guys in the US might have some difficulty getting these records. I'm fairly sure the C&D records (Dundee, Scotland) address already given in this group would cover Eloy, and Andy would probably be able to track down Nektaar albums too. FoFP From: IN%"BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 24-APR-1991 20:19:17.88 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9617; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:14:01 EDT Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 17:12:46 PDT From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8605FE00401F601A43@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Hmmm... while I like both Eloy and Nektar quite a bit, I'm reluctant to compare them to Hawkwind. Over the whole range of Hawkwind that I've heard (and it's a *lot*), I really can't think of a good comparison, a band that sounds similar. As for Nektar I'd recommend _Recycled_, followed by _Remember The Future_. _A Tab In The Ocean_ is weak compared to those, and _Down To Earth_ is fairly poor. Eloy CD's have recently become very available, at least here in the SF Bay Area, with any store that carries imports haveing a very good selection of them. Nektar is another story, most probably due to the fact that they were on the Passport label here in the US. Passport went under a few years back, and a lot of extremely good music has become unavailable because of that. Most of it never had a chance to be issued on CD before Passport folded. scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 25-APR-1991 06:03:13.26 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind-like bands Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 25 Apr 91 06:03 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4968; Thu, 25 Apr 91 06:01:24 EDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 12:59:00 EET From: Sami Nurmela Subject: Hawkwind-like bands Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <85B45A439BDF602779@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I agree with scorch that there cannot be a band resembling Hawkwind, simply due to the several different styles HW has gone through. One group (not widely known) which sounds like (IMO) early repetitive 'space'-HW is F/i, on the independent (San Fransiscan ?) RRRecords-label. They can be classified as an industrial/noise/ambient/percussion-band. Anyway, their album, "Space Mantra", is just like Brainstorm or You Shouldn't Do That without vocals. If you see the album, give it a try. Even it's sound quality is about the same as on the old HW albums :-) ----------- //////// Captain //////// //////// Lockheed //////// ----------- aka Sami Nurmela, University of Turku, Finland (snurmela@kontu.utu.fi) From: IN%"BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 25-APR-1991 09:27:44.89 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC: If I had to pick one.... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 25 Apr 91 09:27 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6697; Thu, 25 Apr 91 09:26:00 EDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 09:15:57 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: RE: BOC: If I had to pick one.... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8597C88186BF602451@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 22 Apr 91 03:09:11 GMT from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Yikes! I couldn't bring myself to pick just one off each album... -every- BOC song has some appeal. But it does give a new perspective on the music when you mix songs from different albums. A while back I made a 90-minute cassette of my BOC favorites from the '70s, for use with the Walkman commuting on Washington's Metrorail system. Here's the lineup: side one ('72-'75) The Red & The Black Subhuman Last Days of May ME 262 Quicklime Girl Baby Ice Dog Transmaniacon MC Cities on Flame Before the Kiss Astronomy side two ('76-'79) This Ain't the Summer of Love Godzilla Goin' Through the Motions True Confessions Mirrors Lonely Teardrops Vera Gemini RU Ready to Rock I Am the Storm You're Not the One Don't Fear the Reaper Moon Crazy Has anyone else made "mix" tapes like this? What did you include? JB From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 25-APR-1991 17:19:20.28 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 25 Apr 91 17:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8399; Thu, 25 Apr 91 17:15:12 EDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 17:08:13 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: Lovecraft & Imaginos Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8556216410FF60407A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Someone asked: >I was already aware of DeCamp and Smith, but Long was new one for me. >Is there anymore of these? [if anybody cares, those are Clark Ashton Smith, L. Sprague DeCamp and Frank Belknap Long] Scorch added: >Also see the early books of Brian Lumley, who at the time was sometimes >referred to as Lovecraft's re-incarnation. Extremely good work, the >stories are set in modern times, but this does not detract in the least. GNV added: >Also R.E. Howard! Ok, dumb of me to forget Howard. The "rest" of that circle was August Derleth, Robert Bloch (most famous for scripting Psycho), C.L. Moore, and A. Merritt. H.P. Lovecraft wasn't the best writer among them, but he was sort of the granddaddy of that particular style of horror/fantasy. If you want to get an insight into what makes Imaginos what it is, reading these authors will really give you a feel for it. And reading -his- work is probably the most appropriate into to the genre. Brian Sorry, I forgot Lin Carter. Also (IMHO) I think Lovecraft WAS the best of these writers. Anyone who likes this kind of fiction should also try Lord Dunsany, who was one of Lovecraft's major inspirations. GNV From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 26-APR-1991 17:43:01.88 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Patti Smith Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 26 Apr 91 17:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7508; Fri, 26 Apr 91 17:39:48 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 91 17:01:55 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: Patti Smith Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8489857D9C5F600C56@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I asked about this before and no one responded, but I'm pretty curious, so I guess I'll ask again. Does anyone know how Patti Smith came to be hooked up with BOC in the early '70s? She is credited as co-writer on at least four songs: "Baby Ice Dog," "Career of Evil," "Revenge of Vera Gemini," and "Debbie Denise." At least some of these reflect a certain liberation from traditional lyrical form and a definite bluntness of image ("I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road"). "Baby Ice Dog" has no fixed line length, hardly rhymes at all, and contains one of my favorite BOC New York phrases: They'd like to make it with my big black dog But they just don't know how to ask It seems to me that Smith might have been a published poet and/ or playwright in '73 when these lines were written, but she didn't make her own album till 1975, when she appeared on BOC's Agents of Fortune intoning the lines "You are boned like a saint with the consciousness of a snake."... Anybody know any more about it? - JB From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 26-APR-1991 18:44:11.20 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind Concert Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 26 Apr 91 18:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8345; Fri, 26 Apr 91 18:41:10 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 91 18:37:20 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: Hawkwind Concert Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8480E2C2A67F600280@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Hello, Just thought some of you might like to know that Hawkwind is playing Toad's Place in New Haven, CT, on May 7. I FINALLY get to see them! GNV From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 26-APR-1991 19:29:56.28 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind Concert Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 26 Apr 91 19:29 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8742; Fri, 26 Apr 91 18:58:12 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 91 18:54:00 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: Hawkwind Concert Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <847A834C3B3F600982@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Guido informs us: >Just thought some of you might like to know that Hawkwind is playing Toad's >Place in New Haven, CT, on May 7. > >I FINALLY get to see them! Brian asks: If anyone could scare up some tour dates, that would be really nice. Maybe they'll have a concert itinerary at the shows? If they do, I'll let you know. Guido From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 27-APR-1991 09:31:56.37 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Patti Smith Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 27 Apr 91 09:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0878; Sat, 27 Apr 91 00:16:20 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 91 23:15:03 CDT From: Andrew James Will Subject: RE: Patti Smith Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8404ECB2F8FF60018B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9104262139.AA23096@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "JBOWERS%GWUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Apr 26, 91 5:01 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K JBOWERS%GWUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu > > I asked about this before and no one responded, but I'm pretty > curious, so I guess I'll ask again. Does anyone know how Patti > Smith came to be hooked up with BOC in the early '70s? She is > credited as co-writer on at least four songs: "Baby Ice Dog," > "Career of Evil," "Revenge of Vera Gemini," and "Debbie Denise." > At least some of these reflect a certain liberation from > traditional lyrical form and a definite bluntness of image > ("I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road"). "Baby > Ice Dog" has no fixed line length, hardly rhymes at all, and > contains one of my favorite BOC New York phrases: > They'd like to make it with my big black dog > But they just don't know how to ask > It seems to me that Smith might have been a published poet and/ > or playwright in '73 when these lines were written, but she > didn't make her own album till 1975, when she appeared on > BOC's Agents of Fortune intoning the lines "You are boned like > a saint with the consciousness of a snake."... > Anybody know any more about it? > - JB > -- Andrew J. Will |\/\/\/\/| ".....Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu |********| understand. Ignorance and prejudice and Fear Univ of Wi--Milwaukee |/\/\/\/\| walk hand in hand." from "Witch Hunt" by RUSH =============================================================================== From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 27-APR-1991 09:41:45.26 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Patti Smith Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 27 Apr 91 09:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2242; Sat, 27 Apr 91 04:27:38 EDT Date: Sat, 27 Apr 91 02:27:34 MDT From: almartin@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Patti Smith Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <84037E16BD1F600223@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K It is my understanding that she and Alan Lanier were involed romantically for a period of time around the date of those songs. She has written some poety in her time which is probably the reason why she was mentioned in the credits. I'm sure there is more to this story that I cant remember.... I found this in one of the several music dictionaries in the reference section of our library. You will be amazed at what you can find in those things. One even had the age and birthdates of the BOC band memebers... Trevor email at almartin@dante.nmsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, just to join the oyster cult... | We run in circles, our days are numbered, the Blue Oyster Cult | Every night I look away... to the heavens -------------------------------------- and I pray... Blue Oyster Cult is good for you :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-APR-1991 15:32:24.69 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Space Bandits Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 28 Apr 91 15:32 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9820; Sun, 28 Apr 91 15:30:34 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 91 15:24:11 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Space Bandits Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <83095A18527F600886@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I bought Hawkwind's Space Bandit's yesterday, just to see what they sound like. I wish I could have found it on CD. Anyway... I love the tape. I am impressed. How does this tape compare to the rest of their albums. Is this a good or bad album compared to the rest? Thanks -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-APR-1991 17:24:03.34 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Space Bandits Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0753; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:22:22 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 91 16:21:25 EST From: aburnett@ECN.PURDUE.EDU Subject: RE: Space Bandits Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <82F9BF47499F6008A4@UBVMS.BITNET> From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-APR-1991 17:24:03.34 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Space Bandits Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0753; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:22:22 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 91 16:21:25 EST From: aburnett@ECN.PURDUE.EDU Subject: RE: Space Bandits Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <82F9BF47499F6008A4@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 28 Apr 91 15:24:11 EDT. <9104281931.AA19777@en.ecn.purdue.edu> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >I bought Hawkwind's Space Bandit's yesterday, just to see what they >sound like. I wish I could have found it on CD. Anyway... I love the >tape. I am impressed. How does this tape compare to the rest of their >albums. Is this a good or bad album compared to the rest? Thanks I would recommend getting "THe Xenon COdex" of "Levitation" next. These are the three of the four albums that I have. All three are different from each other, and all three are good. &y From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-APR-1991 17:56:44.72 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Space Bandits Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1080; Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:55:03 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 91 17:31:53 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: Space Bandits Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <82F52DCE377F600C93@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >I bought Hawkwind's Space Bandit's yesterday, just to see what they >sound like. I wish I could have found it on CD. Anyway... I love the >tape. I am impressed. How does this tape compare to the rest of their >albums. Is this a good or bad album compared to the rest? Thanks I would recommend getting "THe Xenon COdex" of "Levitation" next. These are the three of the four albums that I have. All three are different from each other, and all three are good. &y Most Hawkwind albums, with the exception of the newer ones, are rather difficult to find. I think "Space Bandits" is quite good, but I do not think it is really any better than any of their other albums. Some of the other albums, however, are completely unlike it. I would recommend the albums &y mentioned, as well as "Sonic Attack", "Choose Your Masques", "Church of Hawkwind", and "Live Chronicles". If you like "Space Bandits", you will like these. Equally good, but stylistically different, are "Quark, Strangeness and Charm", "Hawklords", and "PXR5". These are "New Wave" in style. "Doremi Fasol Latido" and "Hall of the Mountain Grill" are both excellent. The only thing I can compare these to is the Pink Floyd song "Interstellar Overdrive". One of my favorites is "Warrior on the Edge of Time" which has some excellent instrumental work (both electric and acoustic). If you are really feeling daring, you might try to find "Hawkwind", "In Search of Space", and "Space Ritual". These are weird, but also wonderful if you like that sort of thing. Finally, I am sure you would like any of the newer live albums (i.e., "Live '79", "Zones", "Utopia 1984", etc. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-APR-1991 19:10:26.41 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: .GIF file of Space Pirates Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 28 Apr 91 19:10 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1423; Sun, 28 Apr 91 19:08:45 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 91 18:58:08 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: .GIF file of Space Pirates Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <82EAE2B6C81F600E1A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Seeing how we have a scanner at work here, I scanned in the cover to Space Pirates. It is now in a GIF file format. It is a 256 color gray scale picture. If anyone would like a copy of this send me a memo. If you are on BITNET I will try to send it via CMS SENDFILE. If this does not work, or you are on another net, I will send it via mail in a UUENCODED format. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 29-APR-1991 11:23:26.50 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: .GIF file of Space Pirates Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 29 Apr 91 11:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7004; Mon, 29 Apr 91 11:15:16 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Apr 91 11:03:44 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: RE: .GIF file of Space Pirates Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <8262F700251F600440@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 29 Apr 91 10:42:23 LCL from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Okay...Space Bandits... I just watched the Ice Pirates on tape the other night so I a bit confused. BTW, if you can't handle GIF format but can handle TIFF, PCX, MAC, IMG, BMP then I can convert it for you. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-MAY-1991 20:08:02.26 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 1 May 91 20:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2573; Wed, 01 May 91 20:05:57 EDT Date: Wed, 1 May 91 18:04:33 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <80875B27FD7F601CAB@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Summary of BOC concert...by Brian Baker (bbaker@nmsu.edu) and Trevor Baker (almartin@nmsu.edu) THIS IS A VERY LONG LETTER! The following chronicles the events of April 30, 1991...... 4:30 -- Arrived at Confetti's rocker bar in Albuquerque 5:00 -- Went to Taco Bell 5:30 -- Got back from Taco Bell just in time to hear some tunes emanating from inside the club....it sounded like..... the intro to Astronomy!! 5:35 -- Pondered whether it was just some groupies playing BOC tunes or whether it was the guys...couldn't peek inside to tell. 5:37 -- Song starts over, this time the intro is followed by guitar... not just any guitar, but the explosive riffs that can only be produced by Buck Dharma himself! 5:37:30 A voice! "The clock strikes twelve, and mooondrops burst..." Instantly recognized to be his majesty, Lord Eric Bloom! 6:00 Have heard Astronomy now several times, each one a bit different from the previous. Have also heard a few versions of Before the Kiss (A Redcap) & Transmaniacon MC. And we were just going to play BOC on the radio while we waited! 6:15 The music had stopped, and the number of roadies and bar type people walking in and out of the doors increased. Who should come walking out but some short dude with long hair, accompanied by some roadie types. Couldn't see his face, though there was a strange aura surrounding this man... Who should it be but the one and only Buck Dharma himself! He walked by so fast and we weren't paying attention, that we didn't realize it was Buck until he had gotten into some car and driven away. Ran to Taco Bell just to see if thats were he had gone. Nope :( 7-8 Lots of people show up....they all wish they had gotten there at 4:30 so they could be first in line like us! 8:15 Doors open...ran inside to scope out the place, as we'd never been there before. A dream come true....a small club, with a dance floor, a small stage at the front of the floor, and tables to the left and right! This means we get to watch the show...right underneath the bands noses! 9:30 Opening band, Hall Aflame (won't be discussed here, but a good show! I got a promo tape :) ) 10:30 Lights go down...the crowd begins to chant! "BOC BOC BOC" We are pounding on the stage, the very stage which would soon be graced the the shoes of Blue Oyster Cult. 10:31 From the speakers, we hear: "ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO! ON YOUR FEET, OR ON YOUR KNEES! PLEASE WELCOME, BLUE OYSTER CULT!!!" 10:31:10 The group runs onstage, and immediately begins to rip through "Stairway to the Stars". Buck is on guitar, Alan Lanier is sitting at some keyboards (eyes closed) banging away, and Eric is singing, sans guitar. Drummer is pounding away, recognized him from the promo pictured, and since he knew the material, I guess he fit into the group. Meanwhile, the audience is going wild! The little rocker bar has been turned into a sardine can, with everyone trying to get up front so Buck Dharma could sweat on them! Its funny that they played Stairway to the Stars, we had just been talking about how we hoped they played that song. What follows is a list of the songs played, with notes about each song. Not in order, because I can't remember, but these are all of them. Stairway to the Stars Bucks Boogie: Eric introduces this one as featuring Buck Dharma on guitar and Lanier on keyboards. Eric picks up a guitar and plays rhythm. Dominance and Submission: Most triumphant jam, the entire crowd shouting "Dominance!" to Eric Blooms "submission..." E.T.I Expected this one...sounded just like on S.E.Evening Burnin' For You: No keyboards on this one, Lanier picks up a guitar and jams out. Entire crowd goes wild and screams along. It is quite a spectacal seeing 3 guitars + bass jamming out on one little stage. Note: the bassplayer looked a bit young to be playing w/ BOC, but then again, he knew the stuff... Take Me Away: Eric introduced this one saying you needed to use your imagination. Started off saying what happens if you are taking a walk at nite, looking at 1 star, and seeing it come down in front of you, then something about millions of stars, don't quite remember. But during this intro we couldn't figure out what they were gonna play. At first, when he was talking about walking through the nite with someone you love, we thought they were gonna play I Love the Night, then maybe Astronomy, but nope! Place really seemed to go crazy. This song was played rather early on. Unknown Tongue: I couuld not believe that they played this! We were talking in the car on the trip down how cool it would be to hear this song since we did not happen to have the tape of Cultosaurus Erectus with us. On the line "when she took, her fathers razor" Eric reached down and picked up a razor blade, held it to his palm, sang the line "and watched it cut into her palm" and sliced his hand open! Not really, it was a fake razor blade with a little fake blood capsule in the back. He squeezed the capsule and let it run onto his hand.... Those from a farther distance than we might have been fooled. The Red & The Black: Was most fitting that Eric was sporting a red Kramer Buck a black ESP. (Pointed this out and got a nod and grin from Eric :) Cities on Flame: Not as fast as the version on On Your Feet, but it was still fitting. With a little crowd participation, ie: our ROLL to Eric's ROCK AND... turned the small nightclub into a full fledged autitorium. We were loud! Before the kiss (A redcap): Dharma on lyrics, stoppin only to play some of the guitar leads. Lanier was most excellent on the keyboards!!! Transmaniacon MC: Most people did not know this one.... BUT WE DID!!! Od'd on Life: MAJOR MAJOR SHOCK!! Did not expect this one at all!! Lyerics were a little different: Od'd on life.... Od'd on life itself.. Second song after encore, when they started playing it, it took awhile to figure out what song it was. Most surprised! It is really amazing that these guys can take any song, no matter how mello it is on the studio album, and rock it out! Eric seemed most happy doing this song, like he always wanted to sing it but never got the chance. Hope he was happy that we was singin' along. Godzilla: How many people knew the words? Everyone! The crowd actually rivaled the stacks of speakers and almost drowned them out! Stopped half way through for a very impressive drum solo... I sure wish I knew who the drummer was... He did not have a huge set (9 piece, double bass) but he played it in true BOC style! (no chains) The drummer, as with the bass player, don't really look the part, but from what I could tell this guy seemed damn happy to be playing with BOC. Actually, I am not too sure if he looked like he was in BOC or playing with BOC...but he thumped the bass drum 3 times over and over to get the crowd changint B O C, so I think maybe he's part of the band? Durring our chanting, he looked most pleased! Golden Age of Leather: The shock of the night!!! The first song after the encore, Eric filled in the crowd for the opening.. ie: raise your can of beer .... All of them got a beer, raised it up and we all began the intro. Perfect harmony from the band and was quick to point out that it was for real... NO tape or samplers. Incedentally, none of them actually drank the beer. I was impressed to see that all of them drank bottled mineral water durring the show. The Reaper: The crowd also sang this one... A HUGE cheer rose up when Buck began the intro.... One of BOC's best! Buck switched guitars here, traiding his ESP for a gibson I think, but the third fret was a hooked cross! Kinda funny that this was the only time the cross was seen... Pointing at the cross and screaming got a grin from Buck....:) Flamming Teletpaths: Expected this one... and was most pleased when they played it. Not alot of people knew this one, but we TRUE fans pounded and sang along with them. Was rather disappointed, because the keyboard solo was not as loud as it should have been to hear all of it. :( Astronomy: Eric introduced this one as not having been played live in over 5 years, BUT we knew it was comming as this was one of the three we heard them do durring the sound check! Just like the Some Enchanted Evening version. Eric had everyone screaming "HEY" and Buck was most awsome on the guitar! I could not believe I actually got to see him playing it! I have always been awe-struck at this most melodic solo. I could have reached out an strummed his guitar he was that close!! Alan was a flurry of hands, playing 3 boards at once. The concert was so loud that I am still deaf. LOUD LOUD LOUD I have never been to a concert that was so loud. Louder than Iron Maiden and Dio. One thing though, the band was there to play music, not promote BOC. They seemed happy to just go up on stage and play for us, rather than put on a flashy "BOC show". I hope we made them happy! In case you hadn't noticed, this was the first time either of us got to see Blue Oyster Cult live, after cancellation and cancellation, it finally happened! This was much better than it would have been had it been a full fledged stadium/concert hall tour, as it was so damned up close and personal. The band seemed so together, and it seemed like they just picked the songs they wanted to play as they went along. I honestly think they could've played any BOC song they felt like at the time. Especially because they came out playing "Golden Age of Leather" after the encore. I really expected the show to be more like The Metal Years album, but I think hearing Unknown Tongue, OD'd on Life, and Golden Age made up for them not playing ME 262 & Hot Rails to Hell. I really wanted to hear Last Days of May, tho, but I guess Astronomy made up for that omission. If you are ever out walking around and see a short little guy with a pudgy face, stop him and ask him who he is. Chances are it is going to be BUCK. Just in case you were wondering, the band was dressed in normal cloths. Eric was wearing some blue jeans with holes in the knees and a flowery hawiian type shirt. Buck sported a dressy white button up with black leather pants (not the biker style). Alan was wearing jeans and a blue and white polkadot shirt (long hair tied back in a ponytail). The bassist was dressed in a semi trendy type suit and the drummer in atheltic shorts and a tank top. All of em wore sneakers. Even though the band seemed just there to play music not promote BOC, T-shirts were for sale. One had the front of Tyrranny & Mutation on the front, and the back had the back of Tyr & Mu with the words "Blue Oyster Cult -- On Tour FOREVER" above it all (lets hope so). The other shirts had the front cover of the first Blue Oyster Cult album, with the cross all aflame as it is in the Metal Years cover, with Blue Oyster Cult written in that funky lettering style. Also had bumper stickers, and keyrings left over from the E.T.Live tour (still say copyright 1982) MOST AWESOME SHOW FROM HELL!!!!!!!!!! The band seemed together enought that I get the feeling another album could come out of this lineup.... The only thing that would have made the show any better was if the Bouchard brothers were there. Then it truly would have been a BOC show in all the sense of the words. Oh well...we were born 10 years to late to see that one...wonder what it would be like to travel back in time and see the Some Enchanted Evening tour? Heavy Sigh............. On a final note: (Trevor here) Just before the encore, Buck looked down at me, gave me a little smile, and tossed me his guitar pick!!!! My dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still not sure why they played nothing from Imaginos or Club Ninja, well with Club Ninja lots of people may have not been too happy (I would've, tho), but I think Imaginos is too technical to play if you just want to get up and jam out some tunes like it seemed they wanted to do. Still, would've loved to hear Siege and Investiture. Oh well...maybe next stadium tour. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-MAY-1991 21:17:15.82 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: dunno yet Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 1 May 91 21:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3908; Wed, 01 May 91 21:11:39 EDT Date: Wed, 1 May 91 19:11:04 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: dunno yet Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <807DAC8CFADF601E66@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K My ears are still ringing...what a show. Anyway, I went back and looked through my lovecraft book. The title of the story that is DAMN similar to the Imaginos mythos is not called At the Window (not sure where I came up with that, although I think its a better story), but is called The Haunter of the Dark. The story called "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", while a good story, and typical of the horror feeling of the Imaginos album, bears no resemblance to the Imaginos myth other than the horror style. Check out "The Haunter of the Dark" - you'll be surprised. On the subject of mix tapes, I've made several BOC mixes over the years. Some for me to listen to, some as a mix to get people interested in BOC and some that are just different songs that you don't hear all the time. (Still, I'll never forget BOC playing OD'd on Life, & Golden Age of Leather last nite!!!!!!!). Some of these mixes have been on two 90 minute tapes, and I remember making one short mix on a 100 minute tape. I always have the problem of wanting to put too much stuff on. But these are the songs I've always included somewhere: Stairway to the Stars (oh, they did play that one last nite, too!) Hot Rails to Hell Quicklime Girl Last Days of May (On your Feet/Knees version) Cities on Flame (also Feet/Knees version) ME 262 Astronomy (usually both studio (S.Treaties) and live) This Ain't the Summer of Love (Don't Fear) The Reaper I Love the Night Going Through the Motions Godzilla (S.E.Evening or E.T.Live) The Vigil (the bridge in that song has some of the best Buck Dharma guitar ever) Black Blade Lips In the Hills (one of my favorite BOC tunes) Burnin' For You Vengance (The Pact) Veterans of the Psychic Wars Take Me Away Shooting Shark The one right after Shadow of California that I can't think of the damn name right about the bikers getting wasted, sucks because its one of my most favorite BOC songs. I'll remember as soon as I log out. White Flags (yes, I like this song!!!) In the Presence of Another World Siege & Investure..... Del Rio's Song Astronomy (I call it Astronomy II) Other tapes have had obscure songs just for me, but most of the above are what I use to hook people on BOC. 'Til I get bored again.... Brian B. "She's as beautiful, Oh so beautiful, beautiful as a foot....." Yeah. Right. From: UBVMS::V125LQBX 1-MAY-1991 22:42:15.92 To: IN%"boc-l@ubvm" CC: V125LQBX Subj: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind Hi folks, There has been (on the list and through the mail) some demand lately for an intro to Hawkwind, tailored to BOC fans. I got into Hawkwind because we had a very wild experimental radio station operating here in Buffalo some years ago. They played a month commercial-free (yes, a month) to start out, and then when everybody phoned in and asked, they did another month. Don't even ASK me where their financial backing came from. But anyway, one night they actually did a solid, uninterrupted -hour- of Hawkwind. A friend of mine caught most of it on tape, and that sent us into a 5 year search for Hawkwind records (We didn't find any until I went to college in Boston). I don't think most people in the US have even so much as heard the name. But this group seems to have aroused some curiosity among list members, at least as to what the hell the rest of us here are talking about. :-) So, here it is. This is a very basic rundown of the most commonly available Hawkwind albums, from the point of view of a BOC fan, who is looking to try out Hawkwind (and probably knowing nothing about them, if you live in the US like me. :-) Happy hunting, all! Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind 1971 In Search of Space Off to a bad start. Can't tell you a lot about those 2. :-) 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido Heavy, massive, weighty, loud. If you like Cities on Flame, there's a good chance that you'll like Brainstorm, Time We Left This World Today, and Space Is Deep. A hurricane of sound. And Down Through the Night is a terrific and quite eerie song. I don't have a reference point to compare it to, you'll have to take my word that it's cool. :) 1972 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 [live] 1973 Space Ritual Alive [live double album] I don't know much about the first, but the second of these live releases is one of my favorite Hawkwind albums. It's weird, it's got some sort of annoying periods of "spacey noises", but God, it just rocks like 7 thunders. It's got all the hard, punchy songs from the preceding studio albums, played with twice the intensity. 1973 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (live) [ = Acid Daze ] 1973 Hawkwind in Concert Can't tell you much about these 2. 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill A classic. Some great hard rock tunes, some really neat intrumentals (-tunes-, I mean, not guys showing how many notes per second they can play :-) One of my favorites. Some of the songs rock hard, some are more mellow and tuneful. Surprizingly, my favorite Lemmy Kilmister tune falls under that second category. For those of you not in the know, Lemmy went on eventually to form Motorhead. This one is the album I would use to introduce someone to "old" Hawkwind. 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Another good one, stylistically different from the previous ones. More artistic, less monsterously heavy. The Golden Void is one of my very favorite Hawkwind tunes, and in fact most of the first part of the album is excellent. But I'm not sure I would recommend it for getting into Hawkwind. (Some people will dispute that with me). 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1976 Roadhawks Don't know much about these. 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm This is a quirky, unusual album, just like the title seems to imply. Musically, I'm not as fond of it as I am with a lot of others, but there are many who would disagree violently. :-) Spirit of the Age is a Hawkwind classic, maybe -THE- Hawkwind classic. Damnation Alley rocks, but I think it's a little silly, as is the title track. Hassan I Sahba (a song about assassins, for those of you who weren't tuned in to the discussion a few months back) kicks. I wish I had a louder stereo to play it on. :-) Again, this may not be the best album to get into Hawkwind with, but it's definitely a classic for Hawkfans. 1978 PXR5 1978 Hawklords - 25 Years On Hawklords has some really good songs on it, but I don't recommend it as a starting point. PXR5 I didn't much like, but that's probably just a matter of personal taste. 1979 Hawkwind Live [Live '79 in Britain] As live albums go, this is a pretty good one, but I don't think it's a very good place to start examining Hawkwind. 1980 Levitation Now we're talking. I think Levitation is the PERFECT starting point for a BOC fan to start getting into Hawkwind. The style of music is more similar to BOC than many other HW albums, and yet it will give you a good idea whether you want to pursue Hawkwind any further. I had tried a couple of badly produced compilation albums, and one or two of the poorer live releases, and I was almost ready to give up on Hawkwind. Then I bought Levitation, and became a Hawkfan. :-) And from that point on, I've not had a disappointing moment. This album has the legendary Ginger Baker on drums, by the way. God, what a drummer; he really lends a sense of momentum to the songs. Anyway, the bottom line is buy this album, and see what you think. 1981 Sonic Attack This is another very good album, I recommend it as a follow up to Levitation and to the ones I am about to suggest below. 1981 Sonic Assassins 12EP [live recording from '77] 1982 Church of Hawkwind I don't know much about either of these two. 1982 Choose Your Masques If you can lay hands on Choose Your Masques, do it. If you don't like it, I'll buy it off of you. :-) 1983 Zones [also released as pic disk] Very good compilation album. Might make a good intro. 1984 The Earth Ritual Preview (EP) Has some really good stuff on it. Some of it almost seems like really old King Crimson (i.e. first album or Wake of Poseidon). 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Here's the other album that I really recommend very highly. I think it's one of the best fantasy/heavy metal albums of the decade, right up there with Imaginos. (It's not as heavy, but the music and the lyrical imagery are simply awesome). This is doubly true if you're a Michael Moorcock fan as well, but even if you aren't, I'd bet you will like this album. 1985 Needle Gun (EP) 1985 Zarozinia (EP) These two each contain some stuff from Chronicle, plus extra tracks. 1985 Space Ritual II Basically Space Ritual Alive, minus the editting. 1985 Live Chronicles (live) This is the Chronicle of the Black Sword, performed live, plus tracks from older Hawkwind albums integrated into the storyline. It's one of the best live albums ever done. One of the best rock albums ever done. I think it's even superior to the excellent studion album that it's derived from. The "Conjuration of Magnu" and "Magnu" sequence alone is worth the price of the album. Track it down, buy it. You'll thank me. :-) 1985? Ridicule (live) 1985 Live '70/'73 I've heard that Ridicule is good. I can vouch that Live 70/73 isn't. It's one of those "dud" albums that almost stopped me drom pursuing my interest in Hawkwind. 1987 Out And Intake Don't know much about this one. 1988 The Xenon Codex This album is similar (stylistically) to Levitation. I think it's not quite as good (showing the absence of Ginger Baker and Tim Blake), but very good and worth having, nontheless. Particularly if you're having trouble finding other Hawkwind albums (very possible, especially in the US). 1988 Spirit of the Age Looks like a good compilation of older songs. But I can't vouch for the quality of the engineering. 1985 Welcome To The Future Another pretty good looking compilation. Again, can't vouch for quality. 1990 Space Bandits I don't have this one, but the response among people who have grabbed it seems good. So I guess it gets the thumbs up as well. :-) Well, that's about it. So I guess it boils down to these as recommendations: Newer Hawkwind: Levitation Chronicle of the Black Sword Live Chronicles The Xenon Codex Middle Period: Warrior On The Edge of Time Quark, Strangeness And Charm Older Stuff: Hall of the Mountain Grill Doremi Fasol Latido Space Ritual Alive That would make a pretty good "basic Hawkwind collection". Then if you add Sonic Attack, a couple of EP's, etc... you'll be a Hawkfan. :-) -Brian From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-MAY-1991 23:22:29.51 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: about the concert description Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 1 May 91 23:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6485; Wed, 01 May 91 23:20:47 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 03:19:09 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: about the concert description Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <806C2D3E677F601BA4@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Thanks for the description, Brian (I think). You said they played nothing from Imaginos, but they did play Astronomy. I was sad to see Astronomy on Imaginos for one big reason. The band said they had too much material to put on vinyl (the CD could hold it though), so they omitted some music. I would have rather heard a new song than a re-make. They did say they would put the omitted stuff on the next album. So we should see something some time. It was 2 years between Club Ninja and Imaginos and 2 years between Imaginos and Career of Evil, so I imagine we will wait a little longer. I was glad to see they played a few songs that are part of my "unpopular" hits (i.e. not heard on the radio or live albums). Tom .. oops From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 05:16:29.29 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: dunno yet Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 05:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9125; Thu, 02 May 91 05:14:51 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 01:30:32 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: RE: dunno yet Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <803AB8A08B9F602447@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 1 May 91 19:11:04 MDT from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Speaking of Ears still ringing, I just got back from Steve Morse. Amazing!!! Anyway, while on the topic of LIVE SHOWS, has anyone else ever heard of the video tape BLACK AND BLUE. It is a concert with Black Sabbath and BLue Oyster Cult. I saw it once(the box) but never the tape. Anyone? -A deaf Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 10:18:39.38 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Black and Blue Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 10:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3088; Thu, 02 May 91 10:13:11 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 10:08:17 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: RE: Black and Blue Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <80108959AD5F601B1B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105020915.AA07993@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Dan Newcombe" at May 2, 91 1:30 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > Anyway, while on the topic of LIVE SHOWS, has anyone > else ever heard of the video tape BLACK AND BLUE. It is a concert > with Black Sabbath and BLue Oyster Cult. I saw it once(the box) but > never the tape. Anyone? Hmmmm, when did this go around last? Yeah, I saw this film a couple of times around '81. It's decent, and well worth the rental, but I wouldn't buy it. Dio-era Sabbath, and old leather lungs Ronnie belts 'em out as only his ego-ridden self can. Actually pretty entertaining, if you aren't expecting a screwy 90 minute 'rock video' with constantly-changing perspectives and lusty babes. This is a CONCERT FILM, folks, minimalism is the word here. It has been a very long time since I've seen it, so maybe I'll pick it up next time I saunter into the vid store. I'll leave comments on BOC to the BOC fans. I saw it for the Sabbath ;) . -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 10:57:01.77 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: about the concert description Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 10:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3884; Thu, 02 May 91 10:51:23 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 09:50:23 CDT From: Andrew James Will Subject: RE: about the concert description Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <800B3A55A83F602F52@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105020321.AA24135@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "tom wilson" at May 2, 91 3:19 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Tom Wilson writes: > > Thanks for the description, Brian (I think). You said they played nothing > from Imaginos, but they did play Astronomy. I was sad to see Astronomy on > Imaginos for one big reason. The band said they had too much material to put > on vinyl (the CD could hold it though), so they omitted some music. I would > have rather heard a new song than a re-make. They did say they would put the > omitted stuff on the next album. So we should see something some time. It was > 2 years between Club Ninja and Imaginos and 2 years between Imaginos and > Career of Evil, so I imagine we will wait a little longer. I was glad to see > they played a few songs that are part of my "unpopular" hits (i.e. not heard > on the radio or live albums). > > Tom I think the reason they have Astronomy on Imaginos is because it fits in with the whole cycle of the songs (the whole concept of the Imaginos story), as you can read in the notes for the CD. The band members also have said this on the Rockline interview after Imaginos came out. -- Andrew J. Will |\/\/\/\/| ".....Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu |********| understand. Ignorance and prejudice and Fear Univ of Wi--Milwaukee |/\/\/\/\| walk hand in hand." from "Witch Hunt" by RUSH =============================================================================== From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 20:53:11.21 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 20:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4416; Thu, 02 May 91 20:51:24 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 19:43:39 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FB7DFEE6E7F604C65@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105030040.AA06773@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Dan Newcombe" at May 2, 91 8:34 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > Okay, call me stupid or new to BOC (nly knowing Reaper and Burning 4 u) > Are they a "satanic band"? I seem to remember hearing this once? No chance in hell (couldn't resist the pun!). They're hip on strange imagery and fantasy settings, but Satan plays no part in the BOC mythos. Anti-Rock Christians tend to slam on every band that has even a shred of something they can't comprehend. Rush has also been accused of Satan worshipping, and if you're a Rush fan you know exactly how ludicrous this is. Same goes for BOC. If you don't know much about BOC, I'd suggest (what else!) buying some albums. You could do what I (mostly) did- buy their first album then get the rest in chronological order. It was a pretty cool experience doing that- I got to follow the growth of the band, as if I'd actually been taking part in the 70's. -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 21:14:01.82 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 21:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4864; Thu, 02 May 91 21:12:15 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 20:05:14 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FB4F5BDA6BF60471D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105030104.AA08623@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "V125LQBX@ubvms.bitnet" at May 2, 91 9:02 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > Not to be too disputive, here, but I think maybe there's a better way > to approach it. Correct me if I'm wrong, Jawaid, but when you started > doing that, did you already know that you liked the band? I think the > first couple of BOC albums might be a bit too exotic to start "cold" on. I didn't know any of their stuff except Burnin' for You, Veteran of the Psychic Wars, and (Don't Fear) The Reaper. I lied- the first BOC album I bought was Some Enchanted Evening. Even if "BOC" and "TYRANNY AND MVTATION" could be considered "exotic", realize that the person who posted *is* a member of the list, and as such is a fan of Hawkwind or Sabbath or the like- all the bands discussed here have music that lots of people have to grow to like. > I would recommend maybe Fire of Unknown Origin, or Cultosaurus Erectus > as a starting point, and branching out from there. I stand by my original suggestion, with one minor change- get Some Enchanted Evening. I still consider this to be one of the best live albums ever (even though Dean doesn't like it as well as ETL :-) -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-MAY-1991 22:20:33.55 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 22:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5570; Thu, 02 May 91 22:18:36 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 20:17:58 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FABAABC13DF604DB1@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K BOC a satanic band? You will surely burn in hell for that!!! All kidding aside, BOC is, IM-most-outspoken-O, is not in any sense of the word a "satanic" band. Blue Oyster Cult uses the horror theme, devil-type them, the basic evil type stuff for their entire existence, but use it in a format much as a horror author does in a book. Calling Blue Oyster Cult satanic is like calling Stephen King the High Priest of the Church of Satan.; ---Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 06:46:37.28 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Discussion! Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 06:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9689; Fri, 03 May 91 06:44:55 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 04:45:01 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Discussion! Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F64F71332FF605316@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Could it be? Are we actually having some discussion going on? He he he.... The only way I've ever gotten anybody into BOC is by making them a tape of songs, including the ones I posted yesterday. BOC material just covers such a wide range that a couple of albums isn't nearly enough. Plus, that wide range of coverage is one of the things that makes them so damn likeable. Stuff from the early albums (BOC, Tyranny & Mut, Secret Treaties) shows emergance of the heavy metal theme in the band, plus the classic Buck Dharma guitar solos, the music being raw and heavy. A song or to from On Your Feet/Knees shows how the band truly knows how to rock out a live show, as opposed to a concert that sounds just like the album does. Songs from Agents of Fortune and Spectres show a different side, with those from Agents of Fortune having almost the same raw feel as the earlier stuff but a little milder, and those from Spectres showing a completely different side, that being incredible musicianship and the ability to score extremeley well- written songs, yet still keeping the BOC feeling of mysticism. I'm never sure where to put mirrors, usually I just throw a song in to honor the album. Some Enchanted Evening is kind of along the lines of Feet/Knees, yet I think it sounds a little more togetherness, reflecting the musicianship shown on Spectres. C.Erectus shows the band's ability to record an album that is musically more on the line of more accepted material, but lyrically and themewise still holds that BOC style. Fire of Unknown Origin is nearly the same style, but seems a bit constricted, so I usually only include Burnin' Revolution by Night is a good album to select songs from...the songs are more recognizable as 80's material with the keyboards and zillions of traks and overdubs, Take Me Away is usually well recieved, as is Shooting Shark and a couple others. Throw a couple in from Club Ninja, White Flags or Dancin' just for the hell of it, and after you've given this person the tape, throw in Imaginos....they will be hooked. It never fails. After they are hooked, force them to listen to Secret Treaties over and over and then Feet/Knees to make them really grasp all the subtle details of being a BOC fanatic. --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 07:41:35.92 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: That special magic. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 07:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0106; Fri, 03 May 91 07:39:55 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 12:08:31 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: That special magic. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F5D48E278FF604E9F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "V125LQBX" at May 1, 91 11:23 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Brian (our humble stand-in moderator?) intones: > I hate to forecast disaster for my favorite band, but I think that BOC > -needs- the songwriting talent of the Bouchards, and the Bouchards need > the musical genius and the mystique of the rest of the band. Pray for > a reunion. This sounds a bit like the Roger Waters/Dave Gilmour Pink Floyd dichotomy. (Still, pleasing themselves is more important than pleasing the fans. Good music does not arise out of internal strife.) And, being controversial here, I think Hawkwind have gone pretty much downhill in recent times. This isn't just my opinion. Several long-time HW fans have agreed with me when I've admitted I haven't really thought much of their last two major releases---_The Xenon Codex_ and _Space Bandits_. I can't say exactly when I think the rot(!) set in, but I think HW lost a lot of their inventiveness when they lost the likes of Nik Turner, Bob Calvert and Huw Lloyd-Langton. They just don't seem to know how to write good songs anymore ("Images" off _Space Bandits_ being an exception)... I cannot write more, it pains me too much..... Looking for his asbestos suit, :) Paul. "He balled up his fist and scientifically socked her Look out, you better duck, here comes the flying doctor" --- Hawkwind, "Flying Doctor" -- e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 08:31:41.61 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 20:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4206; Thu, 02 May 91 20:39:28 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 20:34:36 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FB98AA5A0DF6048A7@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Okay, call me stupid or new to BOC (nly knowing Reaper and Burning 4 u) Are they a "satanic band"? I seem to remember hearing this once? -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 08:32:02.84 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 19:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3290; Thu, 02 May 91 19:12:37 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 12:14:57 PDT From: James Preston Subject: RE: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FC5AB7B947F604585@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX >>The only thing that would have made the show >>any better was if the Bouchard brothers were there. Then it truly would >>have been a BOC show in all the sense of the words. Oh well...we were born >>10 years to late to see that one...wonder what it would be like to travel back >>in time and see the Some Enchanted Evening tour? Heavy Sigh............. >Grumble grumble. I've never seen the whole band either. Oh, you poor, deprived kids. Never to experience the awesome pleasure of seeing and hearing the patented BOC five-man guitar jam. Or Buck and Eric's guitar wars: the two of them standing, guitars held straight up over their heads, then they rake the necks against each other, once, twice, three times, and more. Or when Buck starts ripping out the strings of his guitar, one by one, until he finishes the song with a one-string guitar. We're talkin' REALLY good old days, even before Some Enchanted Evening. You poor kids. There IS something to be said for the small club atmosphere, though. When they were here a few months ago, I was right up by the stage, almost close enough to touch them. The guy in front of me DID reach out to touch Buck's guitar, and twice got told, "Don't touch the guitar." The funny thing is, later on, Buck had no problem letting the same guy as well as some others touch him and his guitar. There was even a short moment when I thought they might pull him right off the stage. I like watching Buck's face when he plays. Anyone seeing him up close would have no doubt that playing guitar for an audience is the greatest joy in his life. And he makes it look so damned easy! It's like he puts about as much concentration and effort into playing as the rest of us put into walking! Yeah, I know, he's played those songs a gazilion times, but then, he doesn't look bored, either. --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 08:33:12.90 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 2 May 91 17:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1200; Thu, 02 May 91 17:16:18 EDT Date: Thu, 2 May 91 16:54:33 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: RE: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7FD5DFD126DF604087@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 1 May 91 23:23:00 EDT from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX > Grumble grumble. I've never seen the whole band either. On Rev. by Night, > Joe was there, which was way cool, but Al wasn't. So I've never seen the > whole of BOC perform together. Damn damn damn. Oh no...I feel old. Am I the only current member of the list who was a BOC fan back in '72? I saw shows after Tyranny & Mutation and Secret Treaties. They were highlights of the '70s for me, I'll tell you. Lots of lasers and flash pots and other effects. Buck used to step up on a box whenever he took a solo...does he still do that? He'd grin like a goofy baboon. "Buck's Boogie" and "Astronomy" were high points of the shows, I remember (these were the days before I used to scribble notes after every concert). Albert played drums like his arms were three feet too long. He sang lead in one show on "Dominance and Submission." That was one of the things that I noticed about BOC, that sometimes one person would sing on the album and another person (Eric) in the show...Eric sang "Dominance and Submission" the second time around. I never saw BOC do a cover, not "Born to be Wild" or "Ain't Got You" or "We Gotta Get Out of this Place." Only originals, lots of times in radical rearrangements, like the five-guitar attack in "ME262," or the really slow "OD'd on Life Itself." The musicianship was always incredible: I expected that from Buck, but Alan and Joe surprised me with their talent and professional ability. Is there really nobody else on the list who saw BOC in the early '70s? John Bowers From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 10:02:25.51 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: That special magic. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 10:01 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2370; Fri, 03 May 91 09:59:46 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 09:30:29 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: That special magic. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F49A9C1C1DF60372B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Paul writes: And, being controversial here, I think Hawkwind have gone pretty much downhill in recent times. This isn't just my opinion. Several long-time HW fans have agreed with me when I've admitted I haven't really thought much of their last two major releases---_The Xenon Codex_ and _Space Bandits_. I can't say exactly when I think the rot(!) set in, but I think HW lost a lot of their inventiveness when they lost the likes of Nik Turner, Bob Calvert and Huw Lloyd-Langton. They just don't seem to know how to write good songs anymore ("Images" off _Space Bandits_ being an exception)... I cannot write more, it pains me too much..... While on the theme of rot, let me use the immortal words of Bart Simpson, and say, "Au contraire, mon frer!" I am at least a fairly long term Hawkwind fan (eleven years) and, although I think "Xenon Codex" and "Space Bandits" are a bit more "mainstream" than most of their albums, they are both pure Hawkwind and are excellent in both musical content and production values. Yes, they can still write good songs. Re Nik Turner, I think his spaced out sax tooting (IMHO) was far more appropriate when the band was strongly focused on "spacier" music. His more recent contribution (sax in the song "Night of the Hawks") was (again IMHO) a rather jarring solo in an otherwise great song. Bob Calvert is certainly a genius, but his presence oriented the band toward a certain style (i.e., "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music", "Quark Strangeness and Charm", "PXR5", and "Hawklords"). This is fine, but I also enjoy the styles developed in his absence. Huw Lloyd is an excellent guitarist, and he wrote, or helped write, some of my favorite Hawkwind songs. I would like to point out that he was on "Xenon Codex", even though this is one of the albums of which Paul does not think much. None of these band members were with the band for more than half the band's career. Hawkwind has had many members that have contributed their own special talents, which has given rise to their incredible diversity. If you, Paul, and other long term fans don't like the current trend, stick around; it will surely change :-). I think Hawkwind will only cease to be good (yes, IMHO again) when Dave Brock drops dead, and not before. GNV From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 11:51:31.50 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: That special magic. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 11:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4359; Fri, 03 May 91 11:49:44 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 08:42:49 PDT From: Roger Leroux Subject: RE: That special magic. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F3A60B4BABF60596E@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 3 May 91 09:30:29 LCL from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K On Fri, 3 May 91 09:30:29 LCL Guido Vacano said: >Paul writes: > >And, being controversial here, I think Hawkwind have gone pretty much >downhill in recent times. GNV writes... >While on the theme of rot, let me use the immortal words of Bart >Simpson, and say, "Au contraire, mon frer!" > >I am at least a fairly long term Hawkwind fan (eleven years) and, >although I think "Xenon Codex" and "Space Bandits" are a bit more "mainstream" >than most of their albums, they are both pure Hawkwind and are excellent >in both musical content and production values. Yes, they can still write >good songs. Well, while I have to agree that I like Xenon Codex (I wasn't as impressed as I could have been with Space Bandits, especially since it was under 40 minutes long!!!!), I must agree that the band has gone downhill somewhat. I have pretty much everything that Hawkwind's ever put out (all of their regular albums, plus a good score or more live/bootleg/etc albums). I think that the point where they went downhill happened the great Black Sword album, which is when Mike Moorcock and the band (I think it was with Dave Brock) had a difference of opinion and parted ways (I don't know all the details, and I refuse to lay blame; that's just the way it is). A lot of the creative input to the band came from MM, and his lack of participation is apparent in both Xenon Codex and Space Bandits. All this IMHO of course. ;) Roger Leroux rleroux1@uvvm.UVic.CA Assistant Programmer Work: (604) 721-7654 Communication Systems Group University of Victoria From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 12:31:37.58 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: That special magic. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 12:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5433; Fri, 03 May 91 12:29:44 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 16:58:44 bst From: M.Holmes@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: RE: That special magic. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F34CA14CCDF606058@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Something's been posted on usenet to the effect that Tim Blake returns after ten years with a new album "Magick". Also a tour due in the US this month? No more info at the moment I'm afraid. I'm certainly gonna be looking for the album tomorrow though.... FoFP From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 12:48:41.67 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: That special magic. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 12:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5845; Fri, 03 May 91 12:44:02 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 12:09:57 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: RE: That special magic. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F32B2702A9F606518@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 3 May 91 09:30:29 LCL from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I only have Space Bandits, but if this is them going downhill, I can't wait to find some of the old stuff. I found this to be an AWSOME album. I was amazed when I first listened to it. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 14:46:13.41 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: First in an occasional series... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 14:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8329; Fri, 03 May 91 14:43:40 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 19:31:34 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: First in an occasional series... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F2201F8A3FF606388@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Ok, to make up for the heresy of my last posting, I'm posting the lyrics I figured out for _Over The Top_ about the time of the Gulf War. For those of you who don't know, _Over The Top_ is a live track to be found, amongst other places, on the Sonic Assassins EP, and the _Independent Days_ 10" to name but two. It also happens to be my favourite track off _Independent Days_, but that is by the by. :) Oh, and by the way, for those of you who are *really* in the dark, _Over The Top_ is by Hawkwind (or the Sonic Assassins if you're being pedantic). :-) _Over The Top_ is a kind of loose live, poetic, jam set to a really hypnotic bass line. It starts off with some amusing banter with the audience which musically evolves into the song/"recital" proper. Actually, I tell a lie---after the banter we go into what amounts to a "sung" version of _The Awakening_ (which can be found on the _Space Ritual_ live album) and matches it very closely lyrically. Then it launches off into what some may consider _Over The Top_ proper. All the way through the hypnotic beat builds in intensity, all the way until the anguished climax of "Get the white feather!..." A mesmeric song, IMHO. On the administrivia side, I'm fairly certain about all the lyrics (though would welcome anyone checking them out to verify them). There are two lines (indicated by me) which I haven't been able to figure out. Hopefully a Hawkfan out there can fill them in for us. My attempts at punctuation are not to be counted on. :) The only thing left for me to add is that my comments are between "[["..."]]" braces. So, without further ado, it is my pleasure to present the lyrics to _Over The Top_: Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip OVER THE TOP (LIVE) [[Intro, stage banter]] This is a very heavy microphone stand. Aha, no queen could brandish this I tell you that. This is a real man's microphone stand 'ere Dave. 'Ere, where d'you get these stands from? They're really heavy. So are you. Well we're gonna do something really heavy in a minute. Like, err.., fall off the stage on top of you, With about two hundredweight of iron in my hand. You're a very tiny person, aren't you? Eh? You're all very tiny down there. You know, when I'm up here, I feel so big and mighty, I feel like I'm the Master Of the Universe. You made me feel like that, And now, It's almost true. Just wait and see, What we do. Alright, cut the gypsy music. A band of gypsys... [[Begin song proper(?)]] All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in all. I would rather the firestorms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dream. Into the starkness of this capsule, That two of our crew still lie suspended, Cool in their tubes of sleep. The nagging choirs of memory, The tubes and wires swirming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut. Such midwifery is but one function Of the leader here. He's floating in a sac of fluid, dark, a clear Century of space away from earth. One man stares from the trauma of his birth. Attending to the hypno-tapes, assuring him, This was reality, however grim. Oh our journey's end The landing itself was nothing; We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind. And left the galaxy of dreams behind. And it's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. All your childhood dreams, all are fable, For fountains now, For fountains now, Now now, Now now now, Fountains, fountains, All going up in fountains, fountains. [[2 indistinguishable lines]] And just a minute now. When you look into my eyes, You're looking at your own reflection. And all you see is your disguise You wear for your own protection. So don't go telling me that you know just when to stop, When to stop. You know you go over the top. Over the top. It's over the top. Over the top. Hey he's going, over the top. Over the top, oh. Over the top, alright here it goes... In 1916, They dug the trenches. We don't need them; We have our own defences. We don't need no officers to blow no whistle and scream "Come on you guys wake up out of your dream And follow me Cos I'm going, Over the top. Over the top. Follow me over the top. Here goes now, Your country needs you." (Hey Kitchener, don't you know that moustaches went out with the Beatles?) Get the white feather! Get the white feather! Get the white feather! Hung upon the wire. Get the white feather! Get the white feather! Get the white feather! Hung upon the wire. Hung upon the wire. Strung on barbed wire. Huh, strung on barbed wire. Goodbye genocide..... ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 16:17:10.09 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 16:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9473; Fri, 03 May 91 16:15:22 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 15:11:37 CDT From: Dean Wagner Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F15444DC35F606597@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105030113.AA09232@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Jawaid Bazyar" at May 2, 91 8:05 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > I didn't know any of their stuff except Burnin' for You, Veteran of the > Psychic Wars, and (Don't Fear) The Reaper. I lied- the first BOC album I > bought was Some Enchanted Evening. > Even if "BOC" and "TYRANNY AND MVTATION" could be considered "exotic", > realize that the person who posted *is* a member of the list, and as such > is a fan of Hawkwind or Sabbath or the like- all the bands discussed here > have music that lots of people have to grow to like. > > > I would recommend maybe Fire of Unknown Origin, or Cultosaurus Erectus > > as a starting point, and branching out from there. > > I stand by my original suggestion, with one minor change- get Some Enchanted > Evening. I still consider this to be one of the best live albums ever > (even though Dean doesn't like it as well as ETL :-) > *laugh* Jawaid's right, I like ETL better for a couple of reasons. First, it's got the live versions of songs from Fire of Unknown Origin, the first album I ever heard and still my favorite. It's also got a good mix of older songs and newer ones, and it's 78 minutes. What more could you want? I get tired of Enchanted Evening, since it's short and the songs on it are the ones you'd hear on the radio, for the most part. I still don't know all that many BOC albums (about 5, I'd guess), but Fire I think is a good starting place. Dean C. Wagner Like the well-trained dancer Bmore@uiuc.edu Liquid motions in a trance wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu We ignore the aching cs358ad@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu And continue with the dance Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs - Cycles, Animator From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 16:34:22.67 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 16:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9628; Fri, 03 May 91 16:30:41 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 13:29:23 PDT From: "Clark F. Olson" Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F12F33B493F607374@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K This discussion of Some Enchanted Evening vs. ETL amuses me. I find On Your Feet Or On Your Knees better than either. (I have and enjoy all of their studio albums and OYFOOYK on CD, and SEE and ETL on tape.) To me OYFOOYK along with Judas Priest's Unleashed In The East and Iron Maiden's Live After Death are the best three live albums I've heard. Clark Olson The Underbelly Institute From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 16:49:14.53 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 16:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0033; Fri, 03 May 91 16:46:27 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 15:41:43 CDT From: Dean Wagner Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F10DA7DE3FF603734@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105032032.AA00987@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Clark F. Olson" at May 3, 91 1:29 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K > > This discussion of Some Enchanted Evening vs. ETL amuses me. > > I find On Your Feet Or On Your Knees better than either. (I have and enjoy > all of their studio albums and OYFOOYK on CD, and SEE and ETL on tape.) > To me OYFOOYK along with Judas Priest's Unleashed In The East and > Iron Maiden's Live After Death are the best three live albums I've heard. > > Clark Olson > The Underbelly Institute > That may be - I haven't heard it. I don't expect to in the near future, either, unless I win the lottery, or some such. I don't have any studio albums on disk, and want those first. Since my roommate graduates in a week, his 3 will be gone. Have people decided what their favorite studio album is? I've only heard 4 or 5, preferring Fire of Unknown Origin. That WAS the first I heard, though, which has alot to do with it. I've also heard Agents of Fortune and most of BOC and Tyranny and Mutation. Unfortunately, my T&M tape died, so I don't have it anymore. Dean Wagner Bmore@uiuc.edu "I want everything louder wagner@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu than everything else." cs358ad@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu - Ian Gillan, Deep Purple Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 17:07:42.79 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 17:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0601; Fri, 03 May 91 17:05:46 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 14:05:16 PDT From: "Clark F. Olson" Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F0E349EBBFF60580E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K My own personal ranking of their studio albums would be as follows (although I know nobody will agree with me.) Secret Treaties Blue Oyster Cult Cultosaurus Erectus Revolution By Night Fire Of Unkown Origin Tyranny and Mutation Mirrors Spectres Agents Of Fortune Imaginos Club Ninja Take this as you will.... Clark Olson The Underbelly Institute From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 17:18:33.66 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: First in an occasional series... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 17:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1146; Fri, 03 May 91 17:15:50 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 17:08:50 LCL From: Guido Vacano Subject: RE: First in an occasional series... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F0CB00895BF60656E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Paul atones for his sins: >Ok, to make up for the heresy of my last posting, I'm posting the >lyrics I figured out for _Over The Top_ about the time of the Gulf War. > >For those of you who don't know, _Over The Top_ is a live track to be >found, amongst other places, on the Sonic Assassins EP, and the >_Independent Days_ 10" to name but two. > >_Over The Top_ is a kind of loose live, poetic, jam set to a really >hypnotic bass line. > .... [stuff deleted] ..... >launches off into what some may consider _Over The Top_ proper. All >the way through the hypnotic beat builds in intensity, all the way >until the anguished climax of "Get the white feather!..." A mesmeric >song, IMHO. For those of you who don't know, a white feather is the traditional symbol of cowardice, i.e. desertion in the face of the enemy, etc... Thank you, Paul. Your heresy is duly forgotten. :-) Oh yeah??? :-) :-) :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 17:19:28.30 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 17:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1245; Fri, 03 May 91 17:17:03 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 14:07:18 PDT From: Roger Leroux Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7F0C92D0B9FF607574@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 3 May 91 14:05:16 PDT from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K On Fri, 3 May 91 14:05:16 PDT Clark F. Olson said: >My own personal ranking of their studio albums would be as follows (although >I know nobody will agree with me.) >list deleted... Ok, I will take it upon myself (for no apparent reason) to take a POLL! Send ME (rleroux1@uvvm.UVic.CA) your list of favorite BOC albums, in order (just let me know the order), and I will compile and post the results. Albums eligible for the poll include all legal studio and live albums. (So no bootlegs or singles!) In addition, send me a list of your top 10 fave tracks, and 5 tracks you dislike (again in order). Comments are welcome too. Entries will be accepted until Friday, 10 May 1991, and postings will be some time Monday or whenever I get the number crunching done. Vote early! Vote often! Participate! If you don't participate, your opinions won't be listened to when the results come out... ;-) Roger From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 19:25:24.54 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 19:25 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3461; Fri, 03 May 91 19:23:36 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 17:23:16 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7EFAF9A869FF606B6B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Well, well, well.....this is the reason I joined this discussion group! I find it damn hard to list the BOC albums in any order of preference, it all depends on what I'm listening to at the time and my mood. But right now, here's my list in order of preference: Imaginos - this album is the best of both BOC worlds. It has the orchestration that is above and beyond that seen on Spectres, the technical sophistication evidence of the late 1980's, yet somehow feels like the style of music on the early albums, ie. Secret Treaties Tyranny & Mutation, and Blue Oyster Cult. Secret Treaties - Same powerful overtones evident in Imaginos, yet not as sophisticated musical - straight ahead, go for the throat...simple is sometimes better :) Cultosaurus Erectus: I agree with Brian about it being Fire's evil twin, yet I can't help wishing that C.Erectus had come after Fire. This album is also very reminiscent of the 1970-74 era. Spectres - Haunting, brilliant musicianship - gotta love that piano on I Love the Night. Revolution by Night - yes, somewhat over produces, yet manages to keep the song content true to BOC. 80's style synth textures are a welcome change from the full blown guitar attack on the early albums. Blue Oyster Cult - Last Days of May. Wow --damn this is getting tough-- Fire of Unknown Origin - Really great stuff, but somehow it just leaves something to be desired. Tyranny & Mutation - Good ol' guitar attack, the vocals just have to make you want to listen more and more. Agents of Fortune - Album shows a different side - other than E.T.I, it is kind of a letdown for me. But is good to listen to for a change. Club Ninja - actually, I don't know where to put this one. I really like the album, but it really fits nowhere within the BOC genre. I like it as an album a lot, but not so much as a BOC album Mirrors - Same great lyrical content, the bridge to The Vigil is one of the best lines ever, and has one of my favorite solos. Now that this has been done, I think it is probably unfair to list the albums in any preference...I think much more justice would be done my listing the songs in the order of preference. For instance, I like Stairway to the Stars much more than I do Imaginos (the song). Hmm...that might take all day to list tho.... Famous last words of some poor shipwrecked guy - "Left to die, by two good friends...." If he had only known ahead of time.... --Brian B. bbaker@nmsu.edu From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 19:28:28.70 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 19:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3631; Fri, 03 May 91 19:26:45 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 17:27:24 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7EFA89C7AABF607578@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K On Your Feet/Knees....#1 live album of all time. If not for the screaming guitars that are on every song, then for the way that every song is rocked out to infinity, and if not that....then for the most awesome, incredible jam of Last Days of May. E.T.Live and S.E.Evening are ties, I believe. Yes, S.E.Evening is very short, but production-wise it is much better than E.T.Live. Disclaimer: Any ranking of BOC albums in no way says that any BOC album is anything less than music of the gods. (Just in case all this Imaginos stuff is true...don't want to blow my chances) --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 20:06:33.57 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Favorite Tunes (BLASPHEMY!) Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 20:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4030; Fri, 03 May 91 20:04:42 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 18:02:15 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Favorite Tunes (BLASPHEMY!) Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7EF537D0563F604F73@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Sent this off to Roger...thought since I'm being kind of vocal right now everybody else might want to know... THIS IS BLASPHEMY!! Ok..now for top 10 fave songs...you ARE asking a lot!!! 1 Last Days of May (On Your Feet/Knees verson NOT the other one) 2 Siege and Investiture... (Imagine this one with just STACKS and STACKS of amps) 3 Burnin' For You (although lots don't like this one because it was kind of popular) 4 Stairway to the Stars 4 Lips In The Hills (don't ask me why) 5 The Flaming Telepaths (Kind of a toned down song...UNTIL...he he he) 6 Astronomy (live jamming version on S.E.Evening) 7 Take Me Away (lyrics are just too awesome, along with that guitar riff) 8 The Subhuman (studio) 9 Lips In The Hills 10 Lots are tied here: Teen Archer, Quicklime Girl, Shooting Shark, ME 262, Hot Rails to Hell, Astronomy II, I Love the Night, In the Prescence of Another World, Godzilla, Vengance, and much more. 5 least fave: 1 You're Not the One That I Was Looking For 2 Don't Turn Your Back 3 Lonely Teardrops 4 Mooncrazy 5 She's as Beautiful as a Foot (I have the hardest time trying to explain that one) Please notice the absence of The Red and the Black and (Don't Fear) The Reaper from both lists. Hey...I was forced to choose!!!!!! (May the Invisible One's forgive me...) Brian B. bbaker@nmsu.edu "The crew is dead...I fear the plague..." . From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 20:41:51.71 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Sheet music anybody? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 20:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4355; Fri, 03 May 91 20:40:04 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 18:40:05 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: Sheet music anybody? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7EF048FB6CBF606F72@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Just one more mailing before I'm outta here.... Does anybody out there play any instruments? If so, does anybody have any Blue Oyster Cult sheet music? Once I heard that there was a collection entitled _Collective Cult_, but I've never been able to substantiate that. If anybody has anything, I am extremely interested in getting ahold of ANYTHING, anything from magazines, books, whatever, or even your own transcriptions. Even knowing what key a given song is in would help. Deciphering those keyboard parts is just getting too be impossible! Thanks all! --Brian Baker bbaker@nmsu.edu From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 3-MAY-1991 22:50:05.62 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 3 May 91 22:49 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5355; Fri, 03 May 91 22:48:23 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 13:39:21 PDT From: James Preston Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7EDE5ED26AFF6076A7@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Clark F. Olson writes: >This discussion of Some Enchanted Evening vs. ETL amuses me. >I find On Your Feet Or On Your Knees better than either. Of course, it should be noted -- not to change anyone's opinion but just as another data point -- that the reason that Some Enchanted Evening came so soon after On Your Feet Or On Your Knees is that the members of BOC were rather dissatisfied with the latter and made the former specifically to be more in line with what they wanted on a live album. --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 4-MAY-1991 00:01:27.07 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 4 May 91 00:01 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5915; Fri, 03 May 91 23:59:31 EDT Date: Sat, 4 May 91 03:58:08 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: RE: BOC Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7ED468CACCFF607BB3@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K The order of my list is easy to understand when I say that I got into BOC via the Heavy Metal soundtrack. Obviously, Fire of Unknown Origin was then the first album I got. Albums 1. Fire of Unknown Origin 2. Cultosaurus Erectus 3. Imaginos 4. Some Enchanted Evening 5. Extraterrestrial Live 6. Club Ninja 7. Tyrrany and Mutation 8. Spectres 9. On Your Feet or On Your Knees 10. Secret Treaties 11. Blue Oyster Cult 12. Agents of Fortune 13. The Revolution by Night 14. Mirrors Top-10 songs 1. Veteran of the Psychic Wars 2. Black Blade (ETL) 3. Shadow Warrior 4. In the Presence of Another World 5. Vengeance (the Pact) 6. Monsters 7. Astronomy (SEE) 8. 7 Screaming Diz-busters (OYFOOYK) 9. ME262 (OYFOOYK) 10. The Vigil Bottom-5 songs 5. Astronomy (Imaginos) 4. Death Valley Nights 3. You're Not the One (I Was Looking for) 2. I'm on the Lamb (But I Ain't No Sheep) 1. Light Years of Love Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 4-MAY-1991 00:14:05.81 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Let's Hear Some Stories Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 4 May 91 00:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6074; Sat, 04 May 91 00:12:22 EDT Date: Sat, 4 May 91 04:11:34 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: Let's Hear Some Stories Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7ED2A2D03BDF60761A@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K We've had a lot of BOC discussion lately, so I thought I would try to generate some more since we're on a roll. As I stated in another post, I got into BOC back when Fire of Unknown Origin came out. Well that was 10 years ago now. BOC was around for almost another 10 before that. I'm sure there are a few list members who were around from (near) the beginning. So what I would like to hear/read are some stories from the early days. For the time being let's stick to anything up to On Your Feet or On Your Knees. How were the concerts? Was BOC a big name back then? What were the hit songs on the radio? Any encounters with the band members or remember any interviews? I don't think there were videos back then, but if so name some. If there is any feedback/interest, we'll move on to the period through the next live album after a few days. Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 4-MAY-1991 00:48:28.26 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Albums and BOC music Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 4 May 91 00:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6353; Sat, 04 May 91 00:46:33 EDT Date: Sat, 4 May 91 00:41:22 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Albums and BOC music Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7ECDD79D069F60466D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Well, I just picked up Fire of Unknown Origin and Extaterestrial Live. Give them a whirl tommorrow. BTW, I play guitar and have figured out some of The Reaper. I could send a gif of the music if someone really want's it. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 4-MAY-1991 18:10:13.00 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Let's Hear Some Stories Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 4 May 91 18:10 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0014; Sat, 04 May 91 18:07:51 EDT Date: Sat, 4 May 91 16:08:07 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Let's Hear Some Stories Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7E3C4DAC7E7F6085B9@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Yeah...lets hear some of this... --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 5-MAY-1991 15:38:13.45 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Extraterestrial Live Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 5 May 91 15:38 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3442; Sun, 05 May 91 15:36:26 EDT Date: Sun, 5 May 91 15:31:46 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Extraterestrial Live Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7D886009EDFF608D9F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I was just listsening to this tape for the first time. I was a bit surprised to hear the line "Hear we are Poughkeepsie NY" seeing how that is where I am located. I must say that the cover of Roadhouse Blues is rather nice. A few of my friends(Doors Fans) were impressed by it. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 6-MAY-1991 03:23:18.70 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: BOC Stories! Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 6 May 91 03:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7227; Mon, 06 May 91 03:21:35 EDT Date: Mon, 6 May 91 01:22:05 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: BOC Stories! Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7D25DE9B649F609D89@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Come on..there's got to be some stories floating around out there... We already heard about Buck Dharma ripping the strings out of his guitar, and Eric & Buck smashing their guitars together during the guitar wars. What about these 5 man guitar jams? Any truth to these stories about Al Bouchard smashing the drumset with chains? What about these incredible laser shows? Lets hear about the good ol' days when hordes of culto-maniacs marched the earth setting the Cities on Flame.... --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 6-MAY-1991 14:35:43.32 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Let's Hear Some Stories Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 6 May 91 14:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6797; Mon, 06 May 91 14:33:04 EDT Date: Mon, 6 May 91 14:04:25 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: RE: Let's Hear Some Stories Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7CC7FB9822DF60A45A@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 4 May 91 04:11:34 GMT from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Well, it's not exactly the stuff of great drama, but it was really pretty exciting to be a BOC fan before their breakthrough. I was a high school sophomore back in '72, loved Steppenwolf and Zep, and read all the rock mags. The reviewers went absolutely raving berserk over this new album Blue Oyster Cult with the weird b&w cover. In those days you could still trust Rolling Stone magazine reviews... the BOC review was written by Lester Bangs, and he had never heard anything like this. They didn't bandy around the term "heavy metal" back then, the groups they mainly compared BOC to were the Doors and Velvet Underground. Creem magazine selected BOC as best new group that year in the readers' poll. My friends back at Iowa City High, though, they hated BOC. You couldn't understand the lyrics, it wasn't mellow; they all liked the Dead and the Allman Brothers. When Tyranny and Mutation came out, I knew this was a wild ride that was just beginning. Lester Bangs wrote in Creem, "Banzai! Blue Oyster Cult is the best band America's got." The production had improved about a thousand percent, and the boys were not particularly interested in being subtle anymore, which was fine with me. No more "She's as Beautiful as a Foot." Now when they sang "You kill and you maim," the guitars slash like they mean it. Shows in the early '70s were incredible, as documented on OYFOOYK, but the guys didn't make it to Iowa too often...and I'd go alone because my friends just could not get into it, the unimaginative swine. Secret Treaties was another huge swallow to absorb. I used to listen to Flaming Telepaths/Astronomy over and over, without break. Now this was music that could give you chills. My musical tastes grew just from being exposed to this. BOC's commercial break didn't come until 1976, Don't Fear the Reaper, a top twenty hit. Anything BOC did was absolutely OK with me, but I knew this was the end of an era. Agents of Fortune was more wide open, lots of styles, lots of different singers. I never would have guessed that BOC's first hit would be sung by Buck, because he just didn't sing that often on the first few albums. Buck said in an interview that he wrote The Reaper after actually meeting the reaper, that winter while he was extremely sick and apparently almost died. It was the first time I ever heard BOC on the radio, but now there were starting to be stations that only played heavy metal. The rock landscape changed, I started college, and BOC kept on making chilling, adventuresome music. J.B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 6-MAY-1991 14:50:26.24 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Poll... Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 6 May 91 14:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7113; Mon, 06 May 91 14:48:28 EDT Date: Mon, 6 May 91 11:46:05 PDT From: Roger Leroux Subject: Poll... Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7CC5E38ECB5F60B11D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K C'mon guys! I've only received 6 responses! Take 10 minutes of your life and send me your lists! :) Roger Leroux rleroux1@uvvm.UVic.CA Assistant Programmer Work: (604) 721-7654 Communications Systems Group University of Victoria From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 6-MAY-1991 18:04:18.22 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sheet music anybody? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 6 May 91 18:02 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0072; Mon, 06 May 91 18:00:12 EDT Date: Mon, 6 May 91 23:05:35 +0200 From: P{r Emanuelsson Subject: RE: Sheet music anybody? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7CAB0A3660DF60B691@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I have a collection called Anthology, published by Warner bros. Contains 17 songs, up to the album _Some Entchanted Evening_. The cover is the same image as on the record cover. I could scan this, if there's interest. I'm probably violating something, but for a private distribution of something probably long out of print... I'll be gone for two weeks starting tomorrow, but tell me your favourite image format anyway and I'll take some kind of poll. /Pell From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 6-MAY-1991 21:35:55.96 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sheet music anybody? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 6 May 91 21:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2581; Mon, 06 May 91 21:33:58 EDT Date: Mon, 6 May 91 17:14:14 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Sheet music anybody? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7C8D3E4BCBDF60B48C@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: <9105062202.AA17371@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "P{r Emanuelsson" at Ma y 6, 91 11:05 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was > I have a collection called Anthology, published by Warner bros. Contains > 17 songs, up to the album _Some Entchanted Evening_. The cover is the > same image as on the record cover. > I could scan this, if there's interest. I'm probably violating something, > but for a private distribution of something probably long out of print... > I'll be gone for two weeks starting tomorrow, but tell me your favourite > image format anyway and I'll take some kind of poll. Gif is probably your best bet for this- I don't know a computer that there isn't a GIF converter for. Also, could you post the ISBN numbers and publisher? -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 08:24:07.10 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 08:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8392; Wed, 08 May 91 08:21:08 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 91 15:16:08 +0300 From: Niko Makila Subject: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7B69A4D4BC1F600157@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9105020242.AA04976@finsun.csc.fi> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 08:24:07.10 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 08:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8392; Wed, 08 May 91 08:21:08 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 91 15:16:08 +0300 From: Niko Makila Subject: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7B69A4D4BC1F600157@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9105020242.AA04976@finsun.csc.fi> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K OK. Here are a few additions to the Hawkwind album overwiev. Brian> 1970 Hawkwind Brian> 1971 In Search of Space Don't get these first. These are from times they were more into drugs than music I guess (sometimes they had roadies on stage to keep them awake and playing...). _Hawkwind_ has two VERY nice acoustic songs from Dave Brock's career as a street musician I think and the other stuff is mainly audio generators and moaning. A couple of good Huw solos though. In _ISOF_ the music is more heavy and they're getting into IT. Includes _You Shouldn't Do That_ and _Master Of The Universe_. Brian> 1972 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 [live] Don't get this. It's bad. Mostly jamming around a couple of riffs and hiss. Brian> 1973 Space Ritual Alive [live double album] This is really good. Shows how great Hawkwind is on stage. The music is TIGHT. Brian> 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music This is kind of in-between album. Pretty mellow. A certain Dave Gilmour has mixed one of the songs (Kerb Crawler). After this album they kicked a couple of guy out because they wanted to get Hawkwind sound too funky! Brian> 1982 Church of Hawkwind This is actually the first Hawkwind album I got. It's not typical Hawkwind. A lot of synthesizers. Sounds like a synth pop band occasionally. I like it anyway. It's Hawkwind you know; they have style when they use synthesizers. Well, that's it. By the way, it's kind of funny... I've never heard or even seen any Chronicles or Xenon Codex... Maybe that's just bad luck. I guess many of the older ones are very hard to find in the US. Don't give up! //niko From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 10:07:24.86 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Oyster Boys Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 10:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0557; Wed, 08 May 91 10:04:08 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 91 10:03:42 EDT From: Matti Varis Subject: Oyster Boys Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7B5B18DA1C9F60054B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Cheerio! Back to Cthulhu mythos and BOC; here other day we came to a conclusion that "Magna Of Illusion" is based on HPL's "Haunter Of The Dark" story. Well, what about "Subhuman" ("The Blue Oyster Cult" on Imaginos)? "The Oyster Boys are swimming now Hear them chatter on the tide Of the lost, in a language lost Hear them chatter on the tide We understand, ..." Could the Oyster Boys be the water-people in "Shadow Over Innsmouth"? I think this song fits quite easily on the ideas of that story, anyone agree? And, when the band changed their name into Blue Oyster Cult, did they have this story in their minds at that time, or did they take the name from somewhere else? BTW, anyone know where "Desdinova" comes from? -Where heros sit by the river With magic in their music as they eat raw liver Matti From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 14:55:12.49 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Buck Dharma solo and Masters Of Reality Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 14:55 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7217; Wed, 08 May 91 14:51:35 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 91 11:51:21 PDT From: "Clark F. Olson" Subject: Buck Dharma solo and Masters Of Reality Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7B32E3B3B99F600C47@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Is Buck Dharma's solo album available on CD? I haven't been able to locate this album. Is it hard to find in general? Someone on alt.rock-n-roll.metal said that the Masters Of Reality were similar to Blue Oyster Cult in the music they play. Can somebody give me some information on them? If they do play must like BOC, it must be good! Clark Olson The Underbelly Institute From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 16:31:56.62 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: OD'd Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 16:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8743; Wed, 08 May 91 16:22:09 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 91 16:19:09 EDT From: JBOWERS@GWUVM.BITNET Subject: OD'd Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7B256C00A41F6010AA@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Has anybody noticed that someone is yelling something, without a microphone, behind the chorus on "OD'd on Life Itself?" Can anyone decipher what they're saying? JB From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 8-MAY-1991 23:29:22.79 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 8 May 91 23:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3962; Wed, 08 May 91 23:24:03 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 03:22:16 GMT From: tom wilson Subject: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7AEB2609EC3F60189D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K If you have Secret Treaties on CD (order # CK 32858), listen to Cagey Cretins at about 1:39 on the counter. My CD sounds like the tape dragged during the conversion. Looks like I get to call the Quality Management Dept. listed on the CD. Anyone else have a flawed CD? Tom From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 9-MAY-1991 01:35:01.34 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 9 May 91 01:34 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4741; Thu, 09 May 91 01:33:10 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 00:13:21 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7AD9817606BF601A07@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: <9105090324.AA27867@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "tom wilson" at May 9, 91 3:22 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was > If you have Secret Treaties on CD (order # CK 32858), listen to Cagey Cretins > at about 1:39 on the counter. My CD sounds like the tape dragged during the > conversion. Looks like I get to call the Quality Management Dept. listed on > the CD. Anyone else have a flawed CD? Hey- I just checked and you're right. The master tape dragged at the time you mentioned. I'd sort of noticed this before, but it never sunk in. I heard it on my tape copy but wrote it off to MY tape being goofy. Maybe if enough people complained (perhaps a slew of letters to the band might convince them to make the record company remaster Secret Treaties- wouldn't that be AWFUL?! :-) -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be priviliged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 9-MAY-1991 05:05:01.27 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Buck Dharma solo and Masters Of Reality Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 9 May 91 05:04 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5832; Thu, 09 May 91 05:03:16 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 05:02:55 EDT From: Matti Varis Subject: RE: Buck Dharma solo and Masters Of Reality Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7ABC29C79BDF601474@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105081854.AA18516@saha.hut.fi>; from "Clark F. Olson" at May 8, 91 11:51 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Cheerio! > Is Buck Dharma's solo album available on CD? > I haven't been able to locate this album. Is it hard to find in general? I dunno. I haven't found it either, not on vinyl nor on CD. > Someone on alt.rock-n-roll.metal said that the Masters Of Reality were > similar to Blue Oyster Cult in the music they play. Can somebody give > me some information on them? If they do play must like BOC, it must be good! Well, IMHO Masters Of Reality sound more like a mixture of early ZZ Top and Uriah Heep ( :-) ), but there is a couple of songs (The Blue Garden and some other) on their first album that are quite comparable to BOC. I like their other songs too. But if you like bluesy hard rock with slight psychedelic flavour, played straight from the heart and produced like any rock'n'roll masterpiece from the mighty 70's, you will like them. They are GOOD, tho' they don't play exactly like BOC. Matti Varis -we run in circles our days are numbered every night I look away to the heavens and I pray come to us... From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 9-MAY-1991 13:34:00.07 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 9 May 91 13:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1948; Thu, 09 May 91 13:32:12 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 11:32:20 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7A750F7FAC5F6028BA@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Yup...I've had 2 of the same CD's (first one was stolen) and both ahve that flaw that isn't on the tape. Call the #...see what happens? --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 9-MAY-1991 14:20:56.07 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 9 May 91 14:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2938; Thu, 09 May 91 14:19:02 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 12:17:48 MDT From: bbaker@NMSU.EDU Subject: RE: Secret Treaties CD Flaw Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7A6E832762DF602B10@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Ok...done --Brian B. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 9-MAY-1991 18:35:52.65 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Nag Columbia toll free! Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 9 May 91 18:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7579; Thu, 09 May 91 18:34:03 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 16:50:39 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: RE: Nag Columbia toll free! Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <7A4AE455A95F60241F@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: <9105092135.AA07058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "V125LQBX@ubvms.bitnet" at May 9, 91 5:33 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was > Hi guys, > > As suggested by a group member, here's Columbia Records' toll free > number (ask for Quality Management Dept). Even if you don't have > the CD, you can plan ahead for when you do, by getting them to fix > Secret Treaties! :-) > > the number is: (800) 255-7514 yep, it's toll free > > The defect is in BOC's "Secret Treaties" album, 1 min 38 sec into song > #5 (Cagey Cretins). The audible defect is a tape slip during the digital > mastering. > > Bug them now, an maybe we'll get some action before we're all in our 60's. > :-) Gee, I called and they seemed to be of the opinion that they were only there for physical defects- but this is Quality Control, is it not? In any case, I'm excited to get a new copy (mine has a scratch in Dominance and Submission at the beginning of the second solo section - a real downer!). -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Senior/Computer Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be privileged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 10-MAY-1991 12:16:55.28 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Nag Columbia toll free! Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 10 May 91 12:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6988; Fri, 10 May 91 12:14:42 EDT Date: Fri, 10 May 91 12:14:14 EDT From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: RE: Nag Columbia toll free! Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <79B6AD9D7ADF60473F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K If somebody could tell me who manufactured the CD, I might be able to get somebody to check it out. Particularly if it was manufactured by Philips. Check on the CD to see if it was made in the USA by PDO. If it was I'll get my friend (who is a Process Control Engineer) to investigate the matter. Later, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marty schwartz | "The only reason we have | "Ah, buy Sam a cmu***pittsburgh | technology is because we | drink and his where the penguins play | are basically lazy." | dog one, too!" (no, not opus) | - me (I said this) | - Mike Lang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "And if you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar." --- Marillion From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 11-MAY-1991 03:15:54.29 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind on tour Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 11 May 91 03:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6983; Sat, 11 May 91 03:14:06 EDT Date: Sat, 11 May 91 03:13:32 -0400 From: Samual Rushing Subject: Hawkwind on tour Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <793913CE5B9F604148@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Just in case, you didn't know...Hawkwind will be on tour soon, here in the U.S....Unfortunately, they will be coming nowhere near Florida, but you folks in Boston, chicago, texas...these places i know to be fairly definate...Via Brian Tawn who runs the Hawkwind fanclud in cheers... M.G.M. via smr's acct. (no flames here eh..) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 13-MAY-1991 23:16:18.48 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind show on 5/17??? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 13 May 91 23:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1993; Mon, 13 May 91 23:10:14 EDT Date: Mon, 13 May 91 23:08:00 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: Hawkwind show on 5/17??? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <76FF15AFE7DF608D9C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I just heard an ad on the radio (97.7 fm for people local to Buffalo and southern ontario) that HAWKWIND is playing the Hideaway club in St. Catherines "This friday" can anyone else confirm this???? Time,place,cost,how to get there etc etc etc This would be my first time seeing them if I (and whoever else I can find) can get there!!!! - Alv From: IN%"LISTSERV@UBVM" "Revised List Processor" 14-MAY-1991 23:17:41.66 To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 14 May 91 23:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8553; Tue, 14 May 91 23:04:18 EDT Date: Tue, 14 May 91 23:04:14 EDT From: Revised List Processor Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET Message-id: <7635B4A3F31F60989B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX The enclosed mail file, found in the BOC-L reader and shown under the spoolid 1137 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail subject indicates a delivery problem. ------------------------ Message in error (243 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8551; Tue, 14 May 91 23:03:44 EDT Date: Tue, 14 May 91 23:03:42 EDT From: To: Subject: Undeliverable Mail UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to deliver following mail to recipient(s): UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to connect for 13 days to recipient host. ** Text of Mail follows ** Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1806; Wed, 01 May 91 22:44:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5808; Wed, 01 May 91 22:43:22 EDT Date: Wed, 1 May 91 22:42:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: A BOC fan's intro to Hawkwind To: Jeff Martin Hi folks, There has been (on the list and through the mail) some demand lately for an intro to Hawkwind, tailored to BOC fans. I got into Hawkwind because we had a very wild experimental radio station operating here in Buffalo some years ago. They played a month commercial-free (yes, a month) to start out, and then when everybody phoned in and asked, they did another month. Don't even ASK me where their financial backing came from. But anyway, one night they actually did a solid, uninterrupted -hour- of Hawkwind. A friend of mine caught most of it on tape, and that sent us into a 5 year search for Hawkwind records (We didn't find any until I went to college in Boston). I don't think most people in the US have even so much as heard the name. But this group seems to have aroused some curiosity among list members, at least as to what the hell the rest of us here are talking about. :-) So, here it is. This is a very basic rundown of the most commonly available Hawkwind albums, from the point of view of a BOC fan, who is looking to try out Hawkwind (and probably knowing nothing about them, if you live in the US like me. :-) Happy hunting, all! Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind 1971 In Search of Space Off to a bad start. Can't tell you a lot about those 2. :-) 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido Heavy, massive, weighty, loud. If you like Cities on Flame, there's a good chance that you'll like Brainstorm, Time We Left This World Today, and Space Is Deep. A hurricane of sound. And Down Through the Night is a terrific and quite eerie song. I don't have a reference point to compare it to, you'll have to take my word that it's cool. :) 1972 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 [live] 1973 Space Ritual Alive [live double album] I don't know much about the first, but the second of these live releases is one of my favorite Hawkwind albums. It's weird, it's got some sort of annoying periods of "spacey noises", but God, it just rocks like 7 thunders. It's got all the hard, punchy songs from the preceding studio albums, played with twice the intensity. 1973 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (live) [ = Acid Daze ] 1973 Hawkwind in Concert Can't tell you much about these 2. 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill A classic. Some great hard rock tunes, some really neat intrumentals (-tunes-, I mean, not guys showing how many notes per second they can play :-) One of my favorites. Some of the songs rock hard, some are more mellow and tuneful. Surprizingly, my favorite Lemmy Kilmister tune falls under that second category. For those of you not in the know, Lemmy went on eventually to form Motorhead. This one is the album I would use to introduce someone to "old" Hawkwind. 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Another good one, stylistically different from the previous ones. More artistic, less monsterously heavy. The Golden Void is one of my very favorite Hawkwind tunes, and in fact most of the first part of the album is excellent. But I'm not sure I would recommend it for getting into Hawkwind. (Some people will dispute that with me). 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1976 Roadhawks Don't know much about these. 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm This is a quirky, unusual album, just like the title seems to imply. Musically, I'm not as fond of it as I am with a lot of others, but there are many who would disagree violently. :-) Spirit of the Age is a Hawkwind classic, maybe -THE- Hawkwind classic. Damnation Alley rocks, but I think it's a little silly, as is the title track. Hassan I Sahba (a song about assassins, for those of you who weren't tuned in to the discussion a few months back) kicks. I wish I had a louder stereo to play it on. :-) Again, this may not be the best album to get into Hawkwind with, but it's definitely a classic for Hawkfans. 1978 PXR5 1978 Hawklords - 25 Years On Hawklords has some really good songs on it, but I don't recommend it as a starting point. PXR5 I didn't much like, but that's probably just a matter of personal taste. 1979 Hawkwind Live [Live '79 in Britain] As live albums go, this is a pretty good one, but I don't think it's a very good place to start examining Hawkwind. 1980 Levitation Now we're talking. I think Levitation is the PERFECT starting point for a BOC fan to start getting into Hawkwind. The style of music is more similar to BOC than many other HW albums, and yet it will give you a good idea whether you want to pursue Hawkwind any further. I had tried a couple of badly produced compilation albums, and one or two of the poorer live releases, and I was almost ready to give up on Hawkwind. Then I bought Levitation, and became a Hawkfan. :-) And from that point on, I've not had a disappointing moment. This album has the legendary Ginger Baker on drums, by the way. God, what a drummer; he really lends a sense of momentum to the songs. Anyway, the bottom line is buy this album, and see what you think. 1981 Sonic Attack This is another very good album, I recommend it as a follow up to Levitation and to the ones I am about to suggest below. 1981 Sonic Assassins 12EP [live recording from '77] 1982 Church of Hawkwind I don't know much about either of these two. 1982 Choose Your Masques If you can lay hands on Choose Your Masques, do it. If you don't like it, I'll buy it off of you. :-) 1983 Zones [also released as pic disk] Very good compilation album. Might make a good intro. 1984 The Earth Ritual Preview (EP) Has some really good stuff on it. Some of it almost seems like really old King Crimson (i.e. first album or Wake of Poseidon). 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Here's the other album that I really recommend very highly. I think it's one of the best fantasy/heavy metal albums of the decade, right up there with Imaginos. (It's not as heavy, but the music and the lyrical imagery are simply awesome). This is doubly true if you're a Michael Moorcock fan as well, but even if you aren't, I'd bet you will like this album. 1985 Needle Gun (EP) 1985 Zarozinia (EP) These two each contain some stuff from Chronicle, plus extra tracks. 1985 Space Ritual II Basically Space Ritual Alive, minus the editting. 1985 Live Chronicles (live) This is the Chronicle of the Black Sword, performed live, plus tracks from older Hawkwind albums integrated into the storyline. It's one of the best live albums ever done. One of the best rock albums ever done. I think it's even superior to the excellent studion album that it's derived from. The "Conjuration of Magnu" and "Magnu" sequence alone is worth the price of the album. Track it down, buy it. You'll thank me. :-) 1985? Ridicule (live) 1985 Live '70/'73 I've heard that Ridicule is good. I can vouch that Live 70/73 isn't. It's one of those "dud" albums that almost stopped me drom pursuing my interest in Hawkwind. 1987 Out And Intake Don't know much about this one. 1988 The Xenon Codex This album is similar (stylistically) to Levitation. I think it's not quite as good (showing the absence of Ginger Baker and Tim Blake), but very good and worth having, nontheless. Particularly if you're having trouble finding other Hawkwind albums (very possible, especially in the US). 1988 Spirit of the Age Looks like a good compilation of older songs. But I can't vouch for the quality of the engineering. 1985 Welcome To The Future Another pretty good looking compilation. Again, can't vouch for quality. 1990 Space Bandits I don't have this one, but the response among people who have grabbed it seems good. So I guess it gets the thumbs up as well. :-) Well, that's about it. So I guess it boils down to these as recommendations: Newer Hawkwind: Levitation Chronicle of the Black Sword Live Chronicles The Xenon Codex Middle Period: Warrior On The Edge of Time Quark, Strangeness And Charm Older Stuff: Hall of the Mountain Grill Doremi Fasol Latido Space Ritual Alive That would make a pretty good "basic Hawkwind collection". Then if you add Sonic Attack, a couple of EP's, etc... you'll be a Hawkfan. :-) -Brian From: IN%"LISTSERV@UBVM" "Revised List Processor" 14-MAY-1991 23:32:21.53 To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 14 May 91 23:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8868; Tue, 14 May 91 23:26:25 EDT Date: Tue, 14 May 91 23:26:22 EDT From: Revised List Processor Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET Message-id: <7633B7AA191F6092A8@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX The enclosed mail file, found in the BOC-L reader and shown under the spoolid 1311 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail subject indicates a delivery problem. ------------------------ Message in error (135 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8858; Tue, 14 May 91 23:26:01 EDT Date: Tue, 14 May 91 23:25:58 EDT From: To: Subject: Undeliverable Mail UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to deliver following mail to recipient(s): UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to connect for 13 days to recipient host. ** Text of Mail follows ** Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1934; Wed, 01 May 91 23:25:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6614; Wed, 01 May 91 23:23:19 EDT Date: Wed, 1 May 91 23:23:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: BOC SHOW! LONG LETTER To: Jeff Martin Brian and Trevor provide us with a concert review: >8:15 Doors open...ran inside to scope out the place, as we'd never > been there before. A dream come true....a small club, with a > dance floor, a small stage at the front of the floor, and > tables to the left and right! This means we get to watch the > show...right underneath the bands noses! This is pretty typical of a modern BOC tour. The stadium days are over, I think, largely due to the type of small-but-fanatical followinf they have. Isn't it great to follow a band like that? :-) > Note: the bassplayer looked a bit young to be playing w/ > BOC, but then again, he knew the stuff... Funny, but the bass playing is what I miss the most in concert. Joe did a bass solo on the Revolution by Night tour that's etched into my mind forever. The guy they have now is ok, but I don't think he's going to do that. :-) > BOC style! (no chains) The drummer, as with the bass player, > don't really look the part, but from what I could tell this > guy seemed damn happy to be playing with BOC. Actually, I > am not too sure if he looked like he was in BOC or playing > with BOC...but he thumped the bass drum 3 times over and over > to get the crowd changint B O C, so I think maybe he's part > of the band? Durring our chanting, he looked most pleased! I don't think we have the final word yet on whether those guys are actually "part of the band" or "just playing with the band". Imaginos, their latest, was essentially an Al Bouchard solo project that the rest of the band ended up participating in, so the last studio album we have to go by is Club Ninja, which credits the two dudes you just mentioned, but puts them in smaller print than the rest of the band, and doesn't give them any credit for songwriting. So it's tough to tell what their current status is with the band. BTW, just for the record, bassist = Kenny Aaronson drummer = Tommy Price Kenny Aaronson comes with some pretty good rock credentials, but I don't know much about Tommy Price (though I can't say I'm that impressed). >Golden Age of Leather: The shock of the night!!! The first song after the > encore, Eric filled in the crowd for the opening.. Damn, I've always wanted to see them do that one... >Astronomy: Eric introduced this one as not having been played live in > over 5 years, BUT we knew it was comming as this was one of > the three we heard them do durring the sound check! Just No kidding, not plyed in 5 years! Know how many BOC shows I've gone to, hoping for that one? :-) > like the Some Enchanted Evening version. Eric had everyone > screaming "HEY" and Buck was most awsome on the guitar! > I could not believe I actually got to see him playing it! > I have always been awe-struck at this most melodic solo. One of my very favorites. >The concert was so loud that I am still deaf. LOUD LOUD LOUD I have never >been to a concert that was so loud. Louder than Iron Maiden and Dio. Actually, I have been somewhat disappointed with the quality of the soundsystems (or at least with the sound-mix) at the shows I have been to in the last couple of years. I actually couldn't hear Buck's guitar in The Reaper when I saw them on the Club Ninja tour. >One thing though, the band was there to play music, not promote BOC. They >seemed happy to just go up on stage and play for us, rather than put on a >flashy "BOC show". I hope we made them happy! That's the way it's been ever since Revolution by Night. They used lasers and gimmickery on that tour, but not since. I like it better without, myself. >The band seemed together enought that I get the feeling another album could >come out of this lineup.... The only thing that would have made the show >any better was if the Bouchard brothers were there. Then it truly would >have been a BOC show in all the sense of the words. Oh well...we were born >10 years to late to see that one...wonder what it would be like to travel back >in time and see the Some Enchanted Evening tour? Heavy Sigh............. Grumble grumble. I've never seen the whole band either. On Rev. by Night, Joe was there, which was way cool, but Al wasn't. So I've never seen the whole of BOC perform together. Damn damn damn. >Still not sure why they played nothing from Imaginos or Club Ninja, well with >Club Ninja lots of people may have not been too happy (I would've, tho), but >I think Imaginos is too technical to play if you just want to get up and >jam out some tunes like it seemed they wanted to do. Still, would've loved >to hear Siege and Investiture. Oh well...maybe next stadium tour. Well, the last time I went with Steve (your other Humble Moderator) to a BOC show, it was the Imaginos tour (are they still calling it that, since there have been no albums in the meanwhile?) But anyway, as the concert progressed, he pointed out that all the "missing" songs were songs where primary songwriting credit went to either of the Bouchards. Coincidence? Or are they not playing Bouchard bros. songs, now that they're no longer in the band? Not 100% true, I know, but there DOES seem to be a strong tendency. i.e. they didn't play Astronomy on the Imaginos tour, even that (the remake) was the single from the album! In fact, they didn't play ANY songs from Imaginos. I hate to forecast disaster for my favorite band, but I think that BOC -needs- the songwriting talent of the Bouchards, and the Bouchards need the musical genius and the mystique of the rest of the band. Pray for a reunion. - your Humble Moderator :-) Brian From: IN%"LISTSERV@UBVM" "Revised List Processor" 16-MAY-1991 18:48:27.83 To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 16 May 91 18:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9740; Thu, 16 May 91 18:19:35 EDT Date: Thu, 16 May 91 18:19:30 EDT From: Revised List Processor Subject: Delivery error notice sent to list BOC-L To: V125LQBX@UBVMS.BITNET Message-id: <74C926C670DF60A512@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX The enclosed mail file, found in the BOC-L reader and shown under the spoolid 7152 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail subject indicates a delivery problem. ------------------------- Message in error (74 lines) ------------------------- Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9735; Thu, 16 May 91 18:18:34 EDT Date: Thu, 16 May 91 18:18:28 EDT From: To: Subject: Undeliverable Mail UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to deliver following mail to recipient(s): UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu unable to connect for 13 days to recipient host. ** Text of Mail follows ** Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6033; Fri, 03 May 91 18:16:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2614; Fri, 03 May 91 18:15:01 EDT Date: Fri, 3 May 91 18:15:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: V125LQBX%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: BOC To: Jeff Martin In this corner, from the Underbelly Institute: >My own personal ranking of their studio albums would be as follows (although >I know nobody will agree with me.) > >Secret Treaties >Blue Oyster Cult >Cultosaurus Erectus >Revolution By Night >Fire Of Unkown Origin >Tyranny and Mutation >Mirrors >Spectres >Agents Of Fortune >Imaginos >Club Ninja > >Take this as you will.... > >Clark Olson >The Underbelly Institute And here to present the opposing position... :-) Here's my ranking of their studio albums: Imaginos When you care enough to buy the very best! Fire of Unknown Origin It was good enough to turn a Styx fan into a BOC fan... Cultosaurus Erectus This is Fire of Unknown Origin's evil twin. Spectres A haunting album, by any standards :-) Mirrors Great ballads, knock-down-drag-out rockers. Guitar masterpieces. Secret Treaties Contains the original Astronomy. Need I say more? Tyrrany and Mutation Nasty, evil album. No one gets out alive. Agents of Fortune "Don't Fear The Reaper, baby", 3 men in black said. Revolution by Night Not bad; good songs, a bit overproduced. But not bad at all... Blue Oyster Cult Unpolished, but it set cities on flame with rock-n-roll. Club Ninja It's not -really- so bad. It's the black sheep of the family. If you like Fire of Unknown Origin, Cultosaurus Erectus and Imaginos are good bets for your next two purchases. Brian From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-MAY-1991 13:23:57.47 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Tabs, tabs, who's got the tabs? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 28 May 91 09:43 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7113; Tue, 28 May 91 09:41:46 EDT Date: Tue, 28 May 91 09:07:29 EDT From: Ron Rader Subject: Tabs, tabs, who's got the tabs? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6BA70D675ADF605DAB@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <9105270031.AA15863@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Dan Newcombe" at May 26, 91 8:27 pm X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX > As far as Tablature... I am working on figuring out a few BOC songs > (Burning For You, The Reaper, Dominence and Subbmission). I have a lot > of Black Sabbath tab however... May I humbly suggest we collect any and all tablature and stick it on the list server? Oh Humble Moderator Brian, is this appropriate? Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you could send me any and all Black Sabbath tabs my way via email... thanks in advance. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-MAY-1991 13:26:44.71 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Sheet music anybody? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Tue, 28 May 91 01:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2592; Tue, 28 May 91 01:45:37 EDT Date: Tue, 28 May 91 04:08:33 +0200 From: P{r Emanuelsson Subject: RE: Sheet music anybody? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6BE97958635F605858@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Hi, I'm back. To Jawaid, who asked for the ISBN for _Anthology_, I'm sorry to say that I can't find it printed anywhere. Yes, I've looked all over the place, including back, cover, inside, etc, etc. It does however say "(c) 1978 Warner Bros. Publications Inc.", 75 Rockefeller Plaza, New York NY 10019. And the "book code" seems to be VF0618. Anyway, I've placed a sample for anonymous ftp on nanny.lysator.liu.se (130.236.254.13), file pub/misc/BOC-scores/reaper1.gif I could lower the scanning resolution if people think it's too big. (Remember: I have 71 more pages... :-) Anyway, have a look and tell me what you think by replying by mail. (unfortunately, nanny is running old software and it might be impossible to connect to her from some places. There is not much to do about this and another solution will certainly be available for the final distribution...) /Pell From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-MAY-1991 13:28:41.03 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: BOC Phases (Was Re: BOC Questions) Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 27 May 91 13:59 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9598; Mon, 27 May 91 13:57:46 EDT Date: Mon, 27 May 91 11:56:58 MDT From: Dieter Muller Subject: RE: BOC Phases (Was Re: BOC Questions) Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6C4C7CD8A77F605296@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: Matthew Braun's message of Sun, 26 May 91 05:51:14 +0100 <9105260454.AA27084@Solbourne.COM> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX Matthew Braun, typing from a keyboard near Mars, reports: : But (most of) the albums tend to pair up rather nicely: : [...] : Mirrors Cultosaurus Erectus : Fire of Unknown Origin Revolution By Night I don't know about that set of pairings. I've kinda thought of Cultosaurus and Fire as being matched. I definitely don't see Mirrors and Cultosaurus together. Maybe it's just because I only like about three songs on Cultosaurus, and four on Fire -- which makes them my two least-favorite BOC albums. The albums seem more to come in pairs and triples (again, live albums don't count): BOC/Tyranny/Treaties Agents/Spectres/Mirrors Cultosaurus/Fire Revolution/Ninja Imaginos This is grouping them within the bounds of chronology. If I could ignore the little matter of time (don't bother me with minor details, and all that), I'd probably put Imaginos with Agents/Spectres/Mirrors. Yes, I expect to get flak for putting Mirrors with the others. My main reason is probably the songs ``The Great Sun Jester'' and ``The Vigil.'' Not necessarily my favorites, but they give the strongest sense of mood to the album, and that mood matches the previous two albums. Dworkin Please don't get us wrong, man, this is just a song, man, no matter what we say -- FC dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 28-MAY-1991 14:39:40.20 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Coming Attractions... From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 29-MAY-1991 18:47:07.70 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: SYTX Edge of the Century Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 29 May 91 18:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0493; Wed, 29 May 91 18:45:06 EDT Date: Wed, 29 May 91 14:32:12 bst From: M.Holmes@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: RE: SYTX Edge of the Century Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6A92022D397F601605@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I heard last night, from a usually reliable source, that Hawkwind are about to release a new album "Palace Springs" (?) in the UK. A tour is also being set up. Anyone know anything about this? From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 29-MAY-1991 18:48:11.40 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind lyric book is available Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Wed, 29 May 91 18:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0597; Wed, 29 May 91 18:46:06 EDT Date: Wed, 29 May 91 18:21:00 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: RE: Hawkwind lyric book is available Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6A91DC95819F601611@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC List In-Reply-To: ; from "V125LQBX" at May 26, 91 12:46 am X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK oHM Steve announces: > Well, after a monster marathon typing session, which took me the better > part of 2 days, I now have the Hawkwind lyric book online. This is > the lyric book that I puchased at the Hawkwind show last Friday. It > has the lyrics to about 70 songs in it from albums in the '70s and > early '80s (prior to Chuch of Hawkwind, I believe). Well thank goodness and praise be! Three cheers for our Humble Moderator's stirling effort. Hip hip!... :-) Well that lyric book sure lets me off easy. Here I was, about to settle down and pin back me lug'oles to figure out the lyrics to that poetic gem from _Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music_, namely "Steppenwolf" when I notices it in the contents listing you posted separately. That and "Reefer Madness"! Oh well, saves me the effort... :) Oh, by the way, is anyone bothering to keep and include in the lyrics stash the ones being sent in by those errant erisians lately? (I have them on file if they're needed for the archives.) Five tons of flax, Paul. "One night I was smoking dope When I saw I had eleven fingers. One of these fingers dropped from my hand, Crawled along the floor, Up onto the shelf, And into my piggy-bank And stole my stash!" --- Hawkwind, "Reefer Madness" -- e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 09:00:55.30 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Misc. hawkwind lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 09:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7045; Thu, 30 May 91 08:58:47 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 10:45:22 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: Misc. hawkwind lyrics Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6A1ABB76529F601E58@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K OK, apologies to non-Hawkwind fans and the others who didn't want more lyrics. They were in separate files because I did each song separately. At the moment I have the following songs' lyrics. I checked fairly carefully against the lists supplied by the List here to avoid duplication of effort. First I'll give a list of the additional lyrics I've got now, then a list of all the lyrics now available. If anyone actually wants these, let me know. I've got the Blake's New Jerusalem, and Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters albums, bothe with the sleeve notes so I should get the lyrics for "Lighthouse" and "Ejection" typed in soon. What I have: ============ Arrival In Utopia PSI Power Shot Down in the Night Fahrenheit 451 Choose Your Masks Sonic Attack Night of the Hawk Green Finned Demon Nuclear Drive Star Cannibal Fall of Earth City The Joker at the Gate Moonglum Dreaming City Dragons and Fables Hassan I Sabha The Awakening ______________________________________________________________________ And now the list of what's available including lyrics from the List - 99 tracks in all! What we need is a list of songs which still need some work. Guess I should get my pile of albums out and check which tracks aren't on this list. Problem is that on the less official albums some songs are renamed, and I can't remember all of the tracks that are purely instrumental. Guess I'll need to listen to a lot of Hawkwind :-) I'm assuming that we wouldn't want to bother with the lyrics for the tracks that are just jamming sessions (E.g. Valium Ten and Douglas in the Jungle)? 25 YEARS ANGELS OF DEATH ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA ASSAULT AND BATTERY BE YOURSELF BLACK CORRIDOR BORN TO GO BRAINBOX POLLUTION BRAINSTORM CHILDREN OF THE SUN CHOOSE YOUR MASKS CODED LANGUAGES DAMNATION ALLEY DAYS OF THE UNDERGROUND DEATH TRAP DISINTEGRATION DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT DRAGONS AND FABLES DREAMING CITY DUST OF TIME ELRIC THE ENCHANTER FABLE OF A FAILED RACE FAHRENHEIT 451 FALL OF EARTH CITY FIFTH SECOND OF FOREVER FLYING DOCTOR FREE FALL GOOD EVENING GREEN FINNED DEMON HASSAN I SABHA HEADS HORN OF DESTINY HURRY ON SUNDOWN INFINITY IT'S SO EASY JOKER AT THE GATE KINGS OF SPEED LEVITATION LIVING ON A KNIFE EDGE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE LORD OF LIGHT LOST CHANCES MAGNU MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE MICRO MAN MIRROR OF ILLUSION MOONGLUM MOTORHEAD MOTORWAY CITY NEEDLE GUN NIGHT OF THE HAWK NUCLEAR DRIVE NUCLEAR TOY (ONLY) THE DEAD DREAMS OF THE COLD WAR, KID ORGONE ACCUMULATOR PARADOX PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) PSYCHO-SONIA PXR5 QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM REEFER MADNESS ROBOT ROCKY PATHS SEVEN BY SEVEN SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT SILVER MACHINE SLEEP OF A THOUSAND TEARS SONG OF THE SWORDS SONIC ATTACK SPACE IS DEEP SPIRIT OF THE AGE STANDING AT THE EDGE STAR CANNIBAL STEPPENWOLF STREETS OF FEAR SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN SWORD OF THE EAST [incomplete] TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER THE AWAKENING THE DEMENTED MAN THE DEMISE THE GOLDEN VOID THE ONLY ONES THE SEA KING THE WATCHER TIME WE LEFT (THIS WORLD TODAY) TRANSDIMENTIONAL MAN UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS URBAN GUERILLA VIRGIN OF THE WORLD WARRIOR AT THE END OF TIME WE TOOK THE WRONG STEP WEB WEAVER WELCOME TO THE FUTURE WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DREAMING YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT ZAROZINIA From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 15:11:28.55 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Cultosaurus Erectus Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 15:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3543; Thu, 30 May 91 15:09:19 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 14:00:21 CDT From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: Cultosaurus Erectus Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69E6F7B5E5BF602A7D@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I've had this for might ne'r two weeks now, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on the album with y'all. First of all, the packaging - same lame one-sheet folded insert I've come to know from 'early' BOC albums. And what the hell is that spaceship on the cover? Black Blade- what can I say, a classic Monsters - this is very interesting. More of that Jazz thing that they started on Spectres (R U Ready 2 Rock), refined on Mirrors (Moon Crazy), and perfected with this song. This song takes a very cynical view towards human nature (i.e. 'we left to escape the monsters in our minds', yet they end up losing to the monsters anyway. I'd appreciate discussion on this one. Divine Wind - hmm. Definitely not your average BOC song. It's a cute line, "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell", but I'm not sure about making a song out o' it. Could it be the song is about people who claimed the band was satanic or something? Deadline - this is cool. I love the subdued bass-ridden type o' song these guys can do. Buck's singing is perfect for the tune. The Marshall Plan - what a trip. Definitely better than your run-of-the-mill "Jukebox Hero" type song. The part in the middle with the lame solo and the "Smoke on the Water" riff is soooo cool, since that's really how us dreamy-eyed rock stars-to-be play :-). Hungry Boys- pretty ho-hum. Ok, it's about vampires (and that's not a common topic in music today) but the vocals leave something to be desired Fallen Angel- first time I heard this I thought he'd "fallen in jail". Pretty ho-hum also. Lips in the Hills- wow. I have fantasies of playing this around jet engine volume for a bunch of Madonna-boppers that are chained to a wall (evil grin) Some of Buck's best metal guitar since Tyranny and Mutation is in this song. It's the centerpiece of the album (IMHO). The flanger is a totally cool addition for making it sound like the SONG is what the Lips are saying (and for that bit'o-madness). Unknown Tongue- hmm. It's hard to put a finger on this one, partly because it's so damn wierd ("and watched it cut into her paw" - her what?!?!). The harmonies on the chorus are really nice, and it's classic BOC strangeness. All in all, it seems like they'd tired of the sound they'd kept for a while, and were experimenting with all sorts of styles to see what they liked. I'm glad they liked Unknown Tongue and Deadline (with a dash of Black Blade), as they went big for these styles on Fire of Unknown Origin (the album I think is their best post-metal-years effort). Heavy production, heavy bass and their patented lyrical style made for a winner. I'm evidently rambling now, so I'll go. Oh, one last thing- I'm cleaning up the lyrics that are on the server cause they're kinda gooey in parts. -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Graduated!/Comp Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be privileged to pay me! :-) From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 18:19:45.75 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Intro to BOC-L Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 18:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6291; Thu, 30 May 91 18:17:41 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 15:35:40 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: RE: Intro to BOC-L Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69CCAA4B03BF603286@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K OK, I've now added "Lighthouse" and "Ejection" to the lyrics I've typed in. Having looked through my record collection, and ignoring a few "jamming" tracks I reckon that the songs we currently don't have lyrics for are: High Rise Upside Down Adjust Me Jack of Shadows Dream Worker Solitary Mind Games Waiting for Tomorrow Dying Seas D-Rider Lost Johnny Social Alliance Back on the Streets Kerb Crawler Wings Kadu Flyer The War I survived Wastelands of Sleep Neon Skyline Sweet Obsession Oscillations On the Case Earthed to the Ground High Tech Cities A Day in the Office Hades Deep Images Black Elk Speaks Out of the Shadows Ship of Dreams I'll try to figure out some of these. If anyone else has managed, or is willing to try, then please let me have them. Again, best not to duplicate effort. I realise that not everyone on this list is a Hawkwind fan, but I'd anticipate some discussion if we're to get the lyrics right. If there's an easier way, please let me know, otherwise a little patience? FoFP From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 18:21:00.81 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Swamped by requests and starved of disc space. Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 18:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6504; Thu, 30 May 91 18:18:58 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 19:07:16 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: Swamped by requests and starved of disc space. Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69CC7D122BDF60328F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Apologies for the last, empty, message that escaped to the list. Some undergraduates were pratting about here, trying to be big unix hackers and screwed up things, resulting in the empty message being sent after killing off my detached jobs. Yeah, unix has it's downside as well. (But at least it doesn't cheat you out of disc space---none of that allocated/used chicanery of VMS, robbing you of your precious disc blocks.) :-) Anyway, the purpose of this mail was to say that if it helps any, I'm prepared to accept requests and despatch Hawkwind Lyric Books until Steve get's his account sorted out now that my lyric book has arrived ok. The email address for requests is at the end. Hopefully this'll ease some of the congestion. As for archives: Only 1600K (two Amiga discs)! I thought we were doing much better than that (unless it's compressed)... :-) Cheers, Paul. PS: "suss" means "to figure out" :-) -- e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 19:45:43.65 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: "Patience" Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 19:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7503; Thu, 30 May 91 19:43:42 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 00:43:00 +0100 From: Matthew Braun Subject: "Patience" Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69C0A714AE5F6033BB@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K -------- Okay, I'll raise my hand and admit that I sent a little bit of mail, wondering why lyrics were appearing daily on the list. In a previous message, writes: > I realise that not everyone on this list is a Hawkwind fan, but I'd > anticipate some discussion if we're to get the lyrics right. If there's > an easier way, please let me know, otherwise a little patience? I'll plead guilty to not really being a Hawkwind fan (a Hawkwinder? :-) )... (not yet, anyways...) I'm also perfectly willing to be patient and watch lyrics discussions. The problem was that *discussion* not what I saw. Most days we'd get the lyrics for 2 to 5 songs with no explanation of why they were being posted, no call for corrections, and no invitation for discussion. I took it that someone was mixed up and was either: a) sending them to the list, figuring that everyone was a Hawkwind fan, so no one would mind (doubted it, but...) b) submitting them to the archives but was using the list address, instead of the lyrics address or c) had the wrong list. :-) I have no problem with Hawkwind discussions and lyrics. But tell us (the list members) what you're doing, or what you want. Even "Corrections Anyone?" is better than nothing. One of the neat things about mailing lists is the opportunity to participate in discussions of topics you're interested in. Lots of lyrics coming in (BOC or Hawkwind), looking very "read-only"-ish, however, kinda looks like noise, not signal. (Remember, all of this is IMHO, folks. :-) ) m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Three times, I've sent you back from me, ------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Three times, my bowl's gone dry | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | And Three times, I've seen the shooting shark | +----Cupertino CA Chapter---+--- Lighting up the sky... --------------[BOC]--+ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 20:46:35.14 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Incomplete lyrics - need help Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 20:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7930; Thu, 30 May 91 20:44:33 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 21:07:52 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: Incomplete lyrics - need help Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69B826B04F1F602DA4@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I've added the lyrics for "Adjust me", "Social Alliance", "High Rise", and "Wastelands of Sleep" to my list. I've made a reasonable attempt at "Lost Johnny" but I need some help.... _________________________________________________________________________ Lost Johnny [incomplete] =========== You only get a single chance The rules are very plain The truth is well concealed inside The details of the game You can see it coming You can hear it from afar It's pale and it glitters Like a faded movie star And up there in the castle They're trying to make us scream By sticking ????? tacks in her flesh And cancelling the dream Can you find the valium? Can you bring it soon? Lost Johnny's out there Baying at the Moon The time has come for you to choose You'd better get it right ?????? girls with sharp white teeth Are waiting in the night But you oughta really get some It surely can't be hard There's always trouble waiting When you leave your own back yard And underneath the city The alligators sing ???????????????????????? dance And someone cut the string Run and get the morphine For God's sake make it brief Lost Johnny's out there Looking for relief Now Simon looks so evil And you know he really tries But every time he makes a play The vital moment dies And Sally buys her underwear In a store where no-one goes She makes it big in photographs On the strength of what she shows And here inside the waiting room The radio still screams ?????????????????????????????????? To murder all your dreams Run and fetch your credit card Try to make it quick Lost Johnny's out there Trying to turn a trick ___________________________________________________________________________ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 22:46:32.62 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Fifth Second of Forever & The Wizard Blew His Horn Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 22:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9083; Thu, 30 May 91 22:44:32 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 21:47:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Fifth Second of Forever & The Wizard Blew His Horn Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69A76481DEFF6032B9@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K The Fifth Second of Forever lyrics we have are missing the first half of the lyrics (at least off of the Levitation). Steve, did you miss some lines? In any case, it needs to be marked as INCOMPLETE. FoFP's list was good. "The Wizard Blew His Horn" needs to be added to the list too. Later, Billy From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 23:12:02.61 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 23:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9289; Thu, 30 May 91 23:09:48 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 22:12:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69A3D55649DF60374F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Hi, I've taken the Hawkwind lyrics that I can get my hands on and have sorted them by studio album. I found I have the complete lyrics for the following albums: Doremi Fasol Latido Hawklords - 25 Years On Sonic Attack Earth Ritual Preview Chronicles of the Black Sword Also: Levitation - but it has the problem with The Fifth Second of Forever mentioned in my last message on the group In Search of Space - All songs but Adjust Me - I don't remember if it has lyrics or not. Could someone tell me? I should have Quark as soon as FoFP sends me the lyrics to Hassan I Sahba. Since I couldn't find an appropiate studio album, I listed the following songs under Space Ritual Alive: BLACK CORRIDOR BORN TO GO SEVEN BY SEVEN ORGONE ACCUMULATOR TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER WELCOME TO THE FUTURE The following songs I have, but can't tie to a studio album: LOOKING IN THE FUTURE WARRIOR AT THE END OF TIME SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN BRAINBOX POLLUTION TRANSDIMENTIONAL MAN IT'S SO EASY URBAN GUERILLA NUCLEAR TOY MOTORHEAD OVER THE TOP (LIVE) Shot down in the Night Does anyone want to suggest how to handle the songs that do not go well with a studio album? or know of a studio album where some of these songs belong? While I am not willing to e-mail everyone the sorted lists (I've corrected a few typos in them, too), I am willing to submit them to Steve as part of the archive or to make them available for FTP. The FTP site would not always be up (as it would be on a machine I use too - mainly down 8-5 M-F CDT) and would be on a temporary basis (a couple of weeks). Later, Billy From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 30-MAY-1991 23:21:47.72 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Incomplete lyrics - need help Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Thu, 30 May 91 23:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9584; Thu, 30 May 91 23:19:43 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 22:23:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: RE: Incomplete lyrics - need help Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69A2780193DF60376E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Here is the lyrics from Friends of Fernando Poo again. However, I have filled in two of the missing lines. It is still incomplete though. :( Lost Johnny [incomplete] =========== You only get a single chance The rules are very plain The truth is well concealed inside The details of the game You can see it coming You can hear it from afar It's pale and it glitters Like a faded movie star And up there in the castle They're trying to make us scream By sticking thumb tacks in her flesh And cancelling the dream Can you find the valium? Can you bring it soon? Lost Johnny's out there Baying at the Moon The time has come for you to choose You'd better get it right ?????? girls with sharp white teeth Are waiting in the night But you oughta really get some It surely can't be hard There's always trouble waiting When you leave your own back yard And underneath the city The alligators sing of how the puppets can not dance And someone cut the string Run and get the morphine For God's sake make it brief Lost Johnny's out there Looking for relief Now Simon looks so evil And you know he really tries But every time he makes a play The vital moment dies And Sally buys her underwear In a store where no-one goes She makes it big in photographs On the strength of what she shows And here inside the waiting room The radio still screams ?????????????????????????????????? To murder all your dreams Run and fetch your credit card Try to make it quick Lost Johnny's out there Trying to turn a trick ___________________________________________________________________________ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 09:32:47.18 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Cultosaurus Erectus Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 09:32 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3769; Fri, 31 May 91 09:30:32 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 11:32:35 BST From: Jason O'Broin Subject: RE: Cultosaurus Erectus Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <694D2287417F400503@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >Divine Wind - hmm. Definitely not your average BOC song. It's a cute line, > "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell", but > I'm not sure about making a song out o' it. Could it be the song is > about people who claimed the band was satanic or something? I have a BOC bootleg from the Cultersurus tour, San Francisco 1980, and at the begining of this song, he says this song is about 'your favourite Itola (sp) - Itola Khominea (can't spell, sorry) ' - ie. the now dead spiritual leader of Iran. Jason. From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 09:33:10.86 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: HW lyrics - new titles available Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 09:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3890; Fri, 31 May 91 09:31:10 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 11:56:08 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: HW lyrics - new titles available Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <694D0EE1F57F40050E@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I've just sent the full list of lyrics I've typed in from either sources I found in a trawl through Hawkwind booklets and tour programmes, or from working them out. I can't guarantee perfection and would appreciate corrections if anyone reckons I got them wrong. The moderator has the lyrics. A list of the additional song titles follows. I've also compiled a list of Hawkwind lyrics that we don't have. I'll try to keep it current and also I'll keep trying to work on some songs we don't have. It looks like we have around 80% of the lyrics for Hawkwind now, thanks mainly to the efforts of our moderator on the Lyric Book. I claim/blame inspiration on working on the remaining lyrics on this effort. Naturally any help from the other Hawkwind fans on the list is appreciated. OK< the lists: What's just gone in: ==================== Arrival In Utopia PSI Power Shot Down in the Night Fahrenheit 451 Choose Your Masks Sonic Attack Night of the Hawk Green Finned Demon Nuclear Drive Star Cannibal Fall of Earth City The Joker at the Gate Moonglum Dreaming City Dragons and Fables Sweet Mistress of Pain Hassan I Sabha The Awakening Lighthouse Ejection Social Alliance Wastelands of Sleep High Rise Adjust Me Lost Johhny [incomplete] ______________________________________________________________________ And what still needs work: ========================== Upside Down Jack of Shadows Dream Worker Solitary Mind Games Waiting for Tomorrow Dying Seas D-Rider Back on the Streets Kerb Crawler Wings Kadu Flyer The War I survived Neon Skyline Sweet Obsession Oscillations On the Case Earthed to the Ground High Tech Cities A Day in the Office Hades Deep Images Black Elk Speaks Out of the Shadows Ship of Dreams Incomplete: =========== Sword of the East Lost Johnny From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 09:54:40.82 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: "Patience" Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 09:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4460; Fri, 31 May 91 09:52:42 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 09:53:00 EDT From: HZS@PSUVM.BITNET Subject: RE: "Patience" Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <694A0DB870FF400571@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Matt mentioned: >I'll plead guilty to not really being a Hawkwind fan (a Hawkwinder? :-) )... That's Hawkfan. (or Wind-head :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hal Siegel \ Let's not talk of love and flowers, and things that \ don't explode, you know we used up all of their hzs@psuvm.psu.edu \ magic powers tryin' to do it in the road ..... \ Hawkwind - "Urban Guerrilla" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 11:01:07.83 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Hawkwind Lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 10:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4797; Fri, 31 May 91 10:08:37 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 10:06:58 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Hawkwind Lyrics Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69420C971C1F80013F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Can someone please send me the lyrics from the SPACE BANDITS album, the incomplete lyricsa that is, so I can finish figuring them out. I didn't know quite who to ask, I got a tad bit lost in the mail as to where they are. -Dan From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 11:34:00.36 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Incomplete lyrics - need help Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 11:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6203; Fri, 31 May 91 11:28:38 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 08:26:12 PDT From: Roger Leroux Subject: RE: Incomplete lyrics - need help Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <693C844E71FF80027C@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 30 May 91 21:07:52 bst from X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K On Thu, 30 May 91 21:07:52 bst said: >I've added the lyrics for "Adjust me", "Social Alliance", "High Rise", >and "Wastelands of Sleep" to my list. I've made a reasonable attempt at >"Lost Johnny" but I need some help.... > >Lost Johnny [incomplete] >=========== > >And underneath the city >The alligators sing >???????????????????????? dance About how the puppets cannot dance >And someone cut the string Roger Leroux rleroux1@uvvm.UVic.CA Assistant Programmer Work: (604) 721-7654 Communications Systems Group University of Victoria From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 11:53:50.60 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Cultosaurus Erectus Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 11:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6643; Fri, 31 May 91 11:52:10 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 91 16:50:35 PDT From: James Preston Subject: RE: Cultosaurus Erectus Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <69396A20D05F800348@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Jawaid Bazyar writes: >Monsters - this is very interesting. . . I'd appreciate discussion on this >one. Me too. You start, what the hell is it about? >Divine Wind - hmm. Definitely not your average BOC song. It's a cute line, > "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell", but > I'm not sure about making a song out o' it. Could it be the song is > about people who claimed the band was satanic or something? Gee, I thought the subject of this song was common knowledge. It's about Khomenei, written back when he was calling the U.S. The Great Satan. >Unknown Tongue- hmm. It's hard to put a finger on this one, partly because > it's so damn wierd ("and watched it cut into her paw" - her what?!?!). That's palm, PALM, as in hand! Jeez, you've never seen BOC do this in concert and Eric do the razor blade against the palm with fake blood trick? --James Preston From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 14:07:07.45 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 14:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8453; Fri, 31 May 91 14:05:00 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 14:27:12 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6926CC164EBF400463@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >Subject: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album >From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" \ > >Date: Thu, 30 May 91 22:12:00 CST > >I've taken the Hawkwind lyrics that I can get my hands on and have sorted \ >them >by studio album. I found I have the complete lyrics for the following \ >albums: > >Doremi Fasol Latido >Hawklords - 25 Years On >Sonic Attack >Earth Ritual Preview >Chronicles of the Black Sword > >Also: > >Levitation - but it has the problem with The Fifth Second of Forever \ >mentioned > in my last message on the group I missed that. What's the problem? (send me email Billy). >In Search of Space - All songs but Adjust Me - I don't remember if it has > lyrics or not. Could someone tell me? Yep, I got them in my latest effort at working out some lyrices. I've sent 'em to the moderator, but I'll email you them direct if you prefer. > >I should have Quark as soon as FoFP sends me the lyrics to Hassan I Sahba. Will do. > >Since I couldn't find an appropiate studio album, I listed the following >songs under Space Ritual Alive: > >BLACK CORRIDOR >BORN TO GO >SEVEN BY SEVEN >ORGONE ACCUMULATOR >TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER >WELCOME TO THE FUTURE Seems reasonable. > >The following songs I have, but can't tie to a studio album: Probably best to tie them in with age/band lineup. My suggestions are: > >LOOKING IN THE FUTURE Xenon Codex? Zones maybe? >WARRIOR AT THE END OF TIME Chronicles of the Black Sword? Warriors? >SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN Tricky this one. I'd actually put it with Moorcock "New World's Fair" album. It fits in with that. >BRAINBOX POLLUTION Dunno, doesn't fit in really >TRANSDIMENTIONAL MAN Tricky, it does seem to fit with PXR5 >IT'S SO EASY Hall of the Mountain Grill >URBAN GUERILLA Again doesn't fit >NUCLEAR TOY Levitation? >MOTORHEAD Same at UG and BP, doesn't fit >OVER THE TOP (LIVE) more a jamming track really >Shot down in the Night Goes well with levitation in sound/lineup From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 14:59:16.07 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: What's in a name? Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 14:58 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9603; Fri, 31 May 91 14:56:37 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 19:55:46 +0100 From: Matthew Braun Subject: What's in a name? Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <691F9F0DD9DF400688@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K -------- In a previous message, Hal Siegel writes: > Matt mentioned: > >I'll plead guilty to not really being a Hawkwind fan (a Hawkwinder? :-) )... > That's Hawkfan. (or Wind-head :) Do BOC fans have a "name"? Such as: The Oyster Boys? Blue Oyster Cultists? BOC'ers? BOC fans? Just don't suggest that new fans be called: New Kids on the BOC. (hint: pronounce BOC as "bock) :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Three times, I've sent you back from me, ------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Three times, my bowl's gone dry | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | And Three times, I've seen the shooting shark | +----Cupertino CA Chapter---+--- Lighting up the sky... --------------[BOC]--+ From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 18:02:43.35 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 18:02 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1658; Fri, 31 May 91 18:01:06 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 14:58:24 PDT From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: RE: Hawkwind Lyrics Sorted by Album Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6905E09F46FF400D6C@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K >>The following songs I have, but can't tie to a studio album: >LOOKING IN THE FUTURE This is the last track on _The Church Of Hawkwind_ >WARRIOR AT THE END OF TIME No such song, there is a track "Warriors" on _Warrior On The Edge Of Time_ >IT'S SO EASY On _Masters Of The Universe_ compilation, B-side to "Psychedelic Warlords" single >SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT On _Stonehenge: This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_, and several compilations. Originally a Steve Swindells single. >OVER THE TOP (LIVE) _Sonic Assassins_ EP >SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN On _Hawkwind Zoo_ EP, an original demo >URBAN GUERILLA Single release, also on _Roadhawks_ compilation >BRAINBOX POLLUTION B-side to "Urban Guerilla" single, and on _Stasis_ compilation >NUCLEAR TOY B-side to "Who's Gonna Win The War" single >MOTORHEAD B-side to "Kings Of Speed" single, re-released backed with "Valium Ten", also on a few compilations scorch From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 21:21:19.87 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Another in an occasional series. :-) Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 21:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3297; Fri, 31 May 91 21:19:40 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 19:33:22 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: Another in an occasional series. :-) Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <68EA21C4E4DF401068@UBVMS.BITNET> X-To: BOC List X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Well, it seems that the Hawks have been trawling pretty far back to get some of their lyrics for the new _Space Bandits_ album. What should I find when looking back through my battered photocopy of _The Hawkwind Log_ but a speech by none other than our friend Black Elk. :) Thus, rather than figure out the lyrics proper, I'm submitting what's there. The actual lyrics to the track "Black Elk Speaks" are a stripped-down variation of this. Personally I think the original is far more eloquent. :) (I would have figured out the lyrics as well, but I'm not very enthusiastic when it comes to _Space Bandits_ as many of you know. Anyway, it isn't hard to figure them given this... [I have already bracketed off the parts which are definitely not part of the track lyrics]) Cheers, Paul. (I wonder if I should follow our illustrious moderator's example [look Steve, a promotion :)] and bash in the text to the log? Problem is you'd miss all the weird artwork...) e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- BLACK ELK SPEAKS [[SORT OF]] [Now I light the pipe, and after I have offered it to the powers that are one Power, and sent forth a voice to them, we shall smoke together. Offering the mouthpiece first of all to the One above--- so---I send a voice: Hey hey! hey hey! hey hey! hey hey!] Grandfather, Great Spirit, you have been always, and before you no one has been. There is no other one to pray to but you. You yourself, everything that you see, everything has been made by you. The star nations all over the universe you have finished. The four quarters of the earth you have finished. The day, and in that day, everything you have finished. Grandfather, Great Spirit, lean close to the earth that you may hear the voice I send. You towards where the sun goes down, behold me; Thunder Beings, behold me! You where the White Giant lives in power, behold me! You where the sun shines continually, whence come the day-break star and the day, behold me! You in the depths of the heavens, an eagle of power, behold! And you, Mother Earth, the only Mother, you who have shown mercy to your children! Hear me, four quarters of the world---a relative I am! Give me the strength to walk the soft earth, a relative to all that is! Give me the eyes to see and strength to understand, that I may be like you. With your power only I can face the winds. Great Spirit, Great Spirit, my Grandfather, all over the earth the faces of living things are all alike. With tenderness have these come up out of the ground. Look upon these faces of children without number and with children in their arms, that they may face the winds and walk the good road to the day of quiet. This is my prayer; hear me! The voice I have sent is weak, yet with earnestness I have sent it. Hear me! It is finished. Hetchetu aloh! [Now, my friend, let us smoke together so that there may be only good between us. --- Black Elk, Oglala Sioux] From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 31-MAY-1991 21:21:43.22 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: HW Discography of doom - track list Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Fri, 31 May 91 21:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3391; Fri, 31 May 91 21:20:06 EDT Date: Fri, 31 May 91 20:14:56 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: HW Discography of doom - track list Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <68EA1358445F40106A@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K For the hawkwind Discography of Doom. Not sure who's compiling this. the Track list for Hawkwind Mind Journey* Assault and Battery The Golden Void Standing on the Edge Psychedelic Warlords Wind of Change Warriors Paradox Spiral Galaxy 28948 Master of the Universe Born to Go Silver Machine Welcome to the Future From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 07:39:47.38 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: 5th Second - missing lyrics Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 07:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7430; Sat, 01 Jun 91 07:38:11 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 12:38:32 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: 5th Second - missing lyrics Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6893BB6434DF400431@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K The missing lyrics from 5th Second of Forever are (from the Levitation Tour programme): There's a circle on a paper High a planet in the sky From the dust which will not settle Hours is the time you lie Track your finger in the cluster You've found the cause which is called must Remember always you are nothing Though others say that you must suss From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 08:02:15.04 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: High Rise - different on CD Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 08:02 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7623; Sat, 01 Jun 91 08:00:39 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 12:57:26 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: High Rise - different on CD Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <68909814EDBF401444@UBVMS.BITNET> In-Reply-To: Your message X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I was just listening to the track "High Rise" from my CD copy of PXR5. I noticed a slight difference in the lyrics at the "He was just like you.... just like you might have been" line. I thought this was strange and checked my vinyl copy, bought the day the album was released. The line is said complete and with different intonation on that copy. Listening more carefully, there's more echo and other slight intonation differences on the CD version I have. There's probably a reason, and it'd be interesting to know if anyone hears. FoFP From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 14:49:49.89 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - The Wizard Blew His Horn [incomplete] Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 14:49 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9379; Sat, 01 Jun 91 14:48:10 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 13:51:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - The Wizard Blew His Horn [incomplete] Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6857A8DB4C9F40185E@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Here is my attempt to figure out the Lyrics to "The Wizard Blew His Horn" from Warriors on the Edge of Time. I'd appreciate it if someone(s) double checked and see if they could figure out the missing word too. Later, Billy ------------------------------------------------------------------- THE WIZARD BLEW HIS HORN ======================== The Great Hound Barked And the world turned white The Great Hound Sighed And the forest died The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The snow snake hissed And the world turned round The snow snake grinned In his fine cold sin When The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The horse wept blood And the earth did groan The tall horse reared From a lake of tears To seek a Champion To seek a Champion The world was bleak And the Earth did fear The Wizard's Horn The magic Horn So it screamed for a champion It screamed for a champion The eagle laughed And the world grew black It stretched giant ???? And it snatched them all And the Champion stirred in sleep The Champion stirred in sleep From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 15:26:50.03 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Album to add to Hawkwind Discography Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 15:26 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9596; Sat, 01 Jun 91 15:25:09 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 14:28:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Album to add to Hawkwind Discography Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <68527D5D847F4017B5@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K 1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) Space is Deep Wind of Change Master of the Universe You Know You're Only Dreaming Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Hall of the Mountain Grill From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 16:47:07.80 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: D-Rider Lyrics [VERY incomplete] Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 16:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9894; Sat, 01 Jun 91 16:45:29 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 15:46:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: D-Rider Lyrics [VERY incomplete] Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <684745448F3F4015AF@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I tried to figure out the lyrics to D-Rider from Hall of the Mountain Grill. Didn't do to hot, but maybe it is enough to get the ball rolling for someone else. Later, Billy --- D-RIDER [very incomplete] ======= We are children playing in the sun A sense of freedom on the run We never knew what time it was We just ???? ??????? My momma knows just where we are The Earth ????? A dragon's sure which we way to go Facing out we're facing in Facing out we're facing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing All the changes with the tide A constellation changing side ???? image fades ???? color shades ???? floating free ???? continual frequency A ring formed ??? stone Mesmos touch the ?ground? Facing out we're facing in Facing out we're facing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 17:52:04.80 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - Solitary Mind Games [slightly incomplete] Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 17:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0308; Sat, 01 Jun 91 17:50:26 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 16:53:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - Solitary Mind Games [slightly incomplete] Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <683E3257FAFF401A6B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Here is another one. I had better luck figuring it out, but it's not perfect. Billy Solitary Mind Games =================== Unbelieving None Receiving Mind is in a Void Unforgiven Bodydriven Striving to avoid Guns out knowing Hiding from the pain Everlasting Rays of Truth are Gnawing at his brain How he wonders ???? but wonders Where it all will end Never certain Far from certain Can the future mend? Conscience torn out Doesn't know how He will ever find Peace of mind Warlike visions Torment all his kind From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 1-JUN-1991 18:14:41.71 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - Kerb Crawler [incomplete] Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sat, 1 Jun 91 18:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0491; Sat, 01 Jun 91 18:12:58 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 17:16:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - Kerb Crawler [incomplete] Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <683B0D09887F401A89@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Another incomplete one.. Billy KERB CRAWLER [incomplete] ============ Single Mesh Gearbox Overhead Cam ????? ????? lamps Power-Assisted Steering 8-Track Stereo Leopard Skin Upholstery FM Radio Kerb Crawler White side walls with grooves Kerb Crawler So fast he hardly moves Kerb Crawler He really approves of Your high heels clicking ???? Excuse Me Lady Are you looking for a lift? I ain't going nowhere special I'm out on the drift I'll take you anywhere you want Drop you outside your door I might drive us down the Autoban ???? ???? insect in the skyscrap shade ??????? neon ??? Come on, come on From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-JUN-1991 15:36:40.99 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - Dealing with the Devil [incomplete] and Bring It On Home Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 2 Jun 91 15:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4279; Sun, 02 Jun 91 15:36:16 EDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 14:35:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - Dealing with the Devil [incomplete] and Bring It On Home Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6787F2658E5F40222F@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Below are my guesses at the lyrics to "Bring It On Home" and "Dealing with the Devil". Bring It needs to be verified. Please note that the Led Zeppelin version of this song has different lyrics in most places. Billy ------- Bring It On Home ================ Well, I bought my ticket And I got my load And the conductor yelled All aboard Well, I take my seat And I sit right back And I watch That train go down the tracks Said Baby I said Baby Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now Dealing with the Devil [incomplete] ====================== Now, my baby got excited about a little ring But our marriage didn't mean a thing I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't love me no more I got the meanest woman man has ever seen She ????? dream I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more Now I ain't going down ain't by myself If I can't take you down I'll take someone else I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-JUN-1991 15:41:04.01 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - Back on the Streets [incomplete] Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 2 Jun 91 15:40 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4416; Sun, 02 Jun 91 15:40:40 EDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 14:39:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - Back on the Streets [incomplete] Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <67875542CF7F402248@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K I forgot if I sent these out or not. If I did, sorry for the repost. I had pretty serious problems with this song.... Billy ------- Back on the Streets =================== ???? Heading for the 99th floor ???? split-second ???? She looked at me on a video screen And she said "Come and please take a seat" That's when I'm Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again A businessman ??? his contract ????? exploding star The galaxies will shake with your impact ???? ???? Drink all your wine The Universe in for a treat That's when I'm Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Feel the concrete under my feet ??? Back on the Streets Again From: IN%"BOC-L@UBVM" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 2-JUN-1991 15:45:18.70 To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin CC: Subj: Lyrics - Damage of Life Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVMS.BITNET; Sun, 2 Jun 91 15:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4554; Sun, 02 Jun 91 15:44:55 EDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 14:43:00 CST From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Lyrics - Damage of Life Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "David I. Schwartz" , Brian McColpin Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <6786BDD454BF40224B@UBVMS.BITNET> X-Envelope-to: V125LQBX, V104N55K Here is my guess at the song "Damage of Life". This is actually an Agents of Chaos song from "Traveller's Aid Trust". I believe that Dave Brock is signing. I consider the Agents of Chaos to be a part of Hawkwind so that is why I sent it. I would not be surprised to find errors in these lyrics. Billy ---- Damage of Life ============== I wonder around the streets so lonely and empty Lost in a crowd, but I can't hide Is there a place where I can escape to? A desert island where I can die The Damage of Life is neverending There is no escape and we can't hide Maybe our time is up, but we don't want to Face up to facts there is little that is life I see the pain, but do not face it Breathlessly peering on a broken plate Mirror, Oh Mirror is there any answer? But the mirror drops smashing our fate From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 6 03:38:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20675; Thu, 6 Jun 91 03:37:52 EDT Message-Id: <9106060737.AA20675@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5959; Thu, 06 Jun 91 03:38:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4544; Thu, 06 Jun 91 03:37:58 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 07:35:20 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: BOC ref X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO This is really old, but we need a BOC post for once in a while (no one has any stories to tell)... Fast Times at Ridgemont High was shown on TBS yesterday, and the lines went: KID: Got any Blue Oyster Cult? SCALPER/TEENAGER: No, I don't have any (emphasis)! I had 34 pairs last week. Where were you then? Oh well, I felt it necessary..... Tom From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 6 10:17:55 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01854; Thu, 6 Jun 91 10:17:47 EDT Message-Id: <9106061417.AA01854@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6198; Thu, 06 Jun 91 10:17:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8971; Thu, 06 Jun 91 10:17:50 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 09:29:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: OK, fine, can someone PLEASE send the intro file? X-To: Ye olde BOC/HW worshipers To: Steve Swann Status: RO Poor old Steve, slaving away, the image brings tears to my eyes ;) . Now you know why I don't 'volunteer' to manage one of these mailing lists. That's all well and good, but I have some VERY interested parties here. Can someone PLEASE send me the listserver instructions? I've been on this list long enough to have trashed my long out-of-date intro file. Disk crashes do that to ya, you know. No major effort is required, just send me the listserver address and valid commands. Also, has the list format changed? Before, I had my posts sent back to me in the list distribution (a very nice feature that lets you know it got out). I haven't seen post one from myself in quite some time. I do see others' posts. Are these things getting to you? Thanks for your support... -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 6 14:27:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11052; Thu, 6 Jun 91 14:27:11 EDT Message-Id: <9106061827.AA11052@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6887; Thu, 06 Jun 91 14:27:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5958; Thu, 06 Jun 91 14:27:18 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 13:27:00 CST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Re: Administrivia (Read this, please) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >(1) I've missed any and all events on this list since Sunday night. Anybody >want to fill me in, (i.e. forward any interesting posts that have happened >since then, so I can keep the archive relatively complete?). > >(2) Anyone who has tried to contact me, no go. Try again, this time at >this address ( swann@acsu.buffalo.edu ). > > Did you get all the lyrics that I sent you? It should have been ALL of the albums and a misc file at the end. If you are missing something, let me know what and I'll get it out to you again. Yes, I figured out the new address immediately when it bounced the first time. :) Billy From @UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu:CHAN93@SNYBUFVA.BITNET Thu Jun 6 15:04:48 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12540; Thu, 6 Jun 91 15:04:44 EDT Received: from SNYBUFVA.BITNET by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7016; Thu, 06 Jun 91 15:04:48 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1991 15:05 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: Intro to BOC-l To: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Message-Id: <986F329FA0603B05@SNYBUFVA> X-Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 X-Envelope-To: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"swann@acsu.buffalo.edu" Status: RO Welcome aboard. :-) Well, I guess it was about time to post this anyway... Here's what's available from the BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List This list last revised: 5/26/90 -------------------------------- How to fetch these files: DISC - fetches a discography LYRICS - fetches a lyric sheet Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album (there are some exceptions, see below). When requesting files, please put the request in the Subject: line or in the first line of the body of your letter. Please, a separate letter for -each- file requested. Send all requests (except for GIFs) to: v125lqbx@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Discographies: ========================================================================== BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [the "regular" version] Hawkwind Discography of Doom [very detailed, 40k long] Also: "A Short History of Hawkwind" (say "GET HW History") Rainbow [almost complete] Dio [from Elf to Black Sabbath so far] Black Sabbath [very detailed album listing] Mekong Delta [Paul says it's complete :-] Iron Maiden [needs singles, mostly] Motorhead [somewhat incomplete] * I also have a list of musical mailing lists, current as of Oct. 90, * for anyone interested in joining other discussion groups. (It's * the same one that gets posted periodically to alt.rock-n-roll. Lyrics: ========================================================================== First, a note regarding accuracy of lyrics. The lyrics that are "guaranteed" are the first 6 BOC albums, Buck Dharma's "Flat Out", HW's "Lyric Book", Chronicle of the Black Sword, Sonic Attack, Black Sabbath's Born Again, and the Rainbow albums. The rest are the best attempt by the members of this group: i.e. mixed results, though mostly good. Hawkwind (3 files: "Black Sword", "Sonic Attack", "Lyric Book") -------- 1970-1983? Hawkwind Lyric Book * contains too many songs to catalogue here now; * vitually everything prior to Church of Hawkwind * extremely long, about 47k 1981 Sonic Attack [ all songs ] 1985 Chronicle Of The Black Sword Song Of The Swords The Sea King Zarozinia Sleep of a Thousand Tears Needle Gun Elric The Enchanter The Demise Horn Of Destiny 1988 The Xenon Codex Heads Sword of the East [incomplete] Good Evening Blue Oyster Cult ---------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [ all songs ] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation [ all songs ] 1974 Secret Treaties [ all songs ] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [ all songs ] 1977 Spectres [ all songs ] 1979 Mirrors [ all songs ] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus [ all songs ] 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin [ all songs ] 1983 Revolution By Night [ all songs ] 1986 Club Ninja [ all songs ] 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World Del Rio's Song [incomplete] The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] 1982 Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album) [ all songs ] Black Sabbath (5 files: "M.o.R.", "H & H", "Born Again", Misc Sabbath", ------------- "Sabotage") 1969 Black Sabbath Black Sabbath The Wizard N.I.B. Warning Wicked World 1970 Paranoid War Pigs Paranoid Iron Man Fairies Wear Boots 1971 Master of Reality [ all songs ] 1972 Vol. 4 Tomorrow's Dream Changes Snowblind 1973 Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath 1975 Sabotage [ all songs ] 1981 Heaven And Hell Neon Knights Children Of The Sea Lady Evil Heaven And Hell 1983 Born Again [ all songs ] Rainbow ------- 1981 Difficult To Cure [ all songs ] 1982 Straight Between The Eyes [ all songs ] 1983 Bent Out Of Shape [ all songs ] GIF Files ========================================================================== There are a number of GIF (picture) files available from Dan Newcombe: If you don't know what a GIF file is, then you probably don't want to bother requesting them. :-) Send any requests for these files to Dan, at STDN@MARIST.BITNET These are album covers, by the way... BOC: Fire of Unknown Origin Hawkwind: Space Bandits The Xenon Codex Black Sabbath: all except Black Sabbath and Born again Coming attractions: =========================================================================== We may sometime in the near (?) future have GIF encoded music pages for some BOC and Hawkwind songs available. We'll see how it works out. Well, that's it! - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From @UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu:CHAN93@SNYBUFVA.BITNET Thu Jun 6 15:06:16 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB12568; Thu, 6 Jun 91 15:06:03 EDT Received: from SNYBUFVA.BITNET by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7020; Thu, 06 Jun 91 15:06:04 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1991 15:07 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: hw lyrics, what's available (just forwarding) To: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Message-Id: <989E892760603B05@SNYBUFVA> X-Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 X-Envelope-To: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"swann@acsu.buffalo.edu" Status: RO From: BITNET%"BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET" "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" 5-JUN-1991 1 0:37:11.65 To: "Alvin M. Chan" CC: Subj: HW Lyrics - what's available Return-path: Received: from jnet-daemon by snybufva.bitnet; Wed, 5 Jun 91 10:36 EST Received: From UBVM(MAILER) by SNYBUFVA with Jnet id 1436 for CHAN93@SNYBUFVA; Wed, 5 Jun 91 10:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6439; Wed, 05 Jun 91 10:35:16 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 91 14:26:44 bst From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo@EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: HW Lyrics - what's available In-reply-to: Your message Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: "Alvin M. Chan" Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Message-id: <65564DCBB19F6002A7@snybufva.bitnet> X-Envelope-to: CHAN93 Someone asked what's available vis a vis Hawkwind lyrics. Our esteemed moderator has 'em all (I hope) in various files (I think Paul Mather is distributing the stuff from the Lyric Book though?). I have an alphabetically (sortof) sorted list of the tracks for which we have lyrics: 25 YEARS ADJUST ME ANGELS OF DEATH ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA ASSAULT AND BATTERY BE YOURSELF BLACK CORRIDOR BORN TO GO BRAINBOX POLLUTION BRAINSTORM BRING IT ON HOME CHILDREN OF THE SUN CHOOSE YOUR MASKS CODED LANGUAGES DAMAGE OF LIFE DAMNATION ALLEY DAYS OF THE UNDERGROUND DEATH TRAP DISINTEGRATION DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT DRAGONS AND FABLES DREAMING CITY DUST OF TIME EJECTION ELRIC THE ENCHANTER FABLE OF A FAILED RACE FAHRENHEIT 451 FALL OF EARTH CITY FIFTH SECOND OF FOREVER FLYING DOCTOR FREE FALL GOOD EVENING GREEN FINNED DEMON HASSAN I SABHA HIGH RISE HORN OF DESTINY HURRY ON SUNDOWN INFINITY IT'S SO EASY JOKER AT THE GATE KINGS OF SPEED LEVITATION LIGHTHOUSE LIVING ON A KNIFE EDGE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE LORD OF LIGHT LOST CHANCES MAGNU MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE MICRO MAN MIRROR OF ILLUSION MOONGLUM MOTORHEAD MOTORWAY CITY NEEDLE GUN NIGHT OF THE HAWK NUCLEAR DRIVE NUCLEAR TOY (ONLY) THE DEAD DREAMS OF THE COLD WAR, KID ORGONE ACCUMULATOR PARADOX PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) PSYCHO-SONIA PXR5 QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM REEFER MADNESS ROBOT ROCKY PATHS SEVEN BY SEVEN SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT SILVER MACHINE SLEEP OF A THOUSAND TEARS SOCIAL ALLIANCE SOLITARY MIND GAMES SONG OF THE SWORDS SONIC ATTACK SPACE IS DEEP SPIRIT OF THE AGE STANDING AT THE EDGE STAR CANNIBAL STEPPENWOLF STREETS OF FEAR SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER THE AWAKENING THE DEMENTED MAN THE DEMISE THE GOLDEN VOID THE ONLY ONES THE SEA KING THE WATCHER THE WIZARD BLEW HIS HORN TIME WE LEFT (THIS WORLD TODAY) TRANSDIMENTIONAL MAN UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS URBAN GUERILLA VIRGIN OF THE WORLD WARRIOR AT THE END OF TIME WASTELANDS OF SLEEP WE TOOK THE WRONG STEP WEB WEAVER WELCOME TO THE FUTURE WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DREAMING YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT ZAROZINIA And we have partial lyrics (any help appreciated) for: Sword of the East Lost Johnny Heads D-Rider Back on the Streets Kerb Crawler Dealin' with the Devil Waiting for Tomorrow Kadu Flyer And the tracks we have no lyrics for are: Upside Down Jack of Shadows Dream Worker Dying Seas Wings The War I survived Neon Skyline Sweet Obsession Oscillations On the Case Earthed to the Ground High Tech Cities A Day in the Office Hades Deep Images Black Elk Speaks Out of the Shadows Ship of Dreams Back in the Box Treadmill From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 6 16:46:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16428; Thu, 6 Jun 91 16:46:45 EDT Message-Id: <9106062046.AA16428@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7197; Thu, 06 Jun 91 16:46:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9623; Thu, 06 Jun 91 16:43:37 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 14:41:07 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: BOC ref X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO This is another reference to BOC in TV. I cant remember what the movie was but it was an older movie about a group of vietnam veterans who were fighting a gang in some city. (I could tell you more...) Anyway, there was one scene when they were in a graffiti covered alley and the camera made a shot of the wall. I was astonished to see a huge, spray-painted hooked cross there. If I remember correctly, that was about the extent of the graffiti on that por- tion of the wall. A whole sceen in a movie dedicated to BLue Oyster Cult... an (oops, heheheee) and we thought that they never got any publicity!! (smirk) Trevor Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | A harvest of life, or harvest of death | One body of life, one body of death | And when you've gone and choked to death ----- * ----- With laughter and a little step | I'll prepare the quicklime, friend \ For your ripe and ready grave -- BLUE OYSTER CULT | | \_/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 6 19:10:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21429; Thu, 6 Jun 91 19:10:11 EDT Message-Id: <9106062310.AA21429@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7604; Thu, 06 Jun 91 19:10:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2043; Thu, 06 Jun 91 19:10:13 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 18:08:01 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Blackmore Subject: Rainbow ref (was Re: BOC ref) To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <199106062048.AA14707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "tbaker@NMSU.EDU" at Jun 6, 91 2:41 pm Status: RO while talking about references, I found this interesting... My roommate bought a CD holder - 4 foot tall thing. In the display on the box, they showed CDs in it. They're choice was interesting... They had lots of G Dead, Hendrix, Robert Plant, Sabbath, plus other classic albums - including Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, the original Rainbow album. While people are doing lyrics - Yes, I will submit the Rainbow lyrics that I was working on, as soon as things have settled down. I quit for awhile on Long Live Rock and Roll from frustration (thank GOD Rainbow Eyes is on there), but I'll finish soon. I also intend on having lots of Deep Purple lyrics online, in case anyone's interested. Anyways, I should be posting Rainbow in the next week or two. Also, does anyone know if Hawkwind or BOC will be anywhere near Illinois in the recent future? I'm anxious to see either band live. Dean C. Wagner "Sorry, I'm just...it's starting to Bmore@uiuc.edu hit me like an um...um...like a dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu two ton heavy thing." Blackmore@MUDs.MUCKs.MUSHs - Empire, Queensryche From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 7 17:35:54 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02579; Fri, 7 Jun 91 17:35:49 EDT Message-Id: <9106072135.AA02579@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9312; Fri, 07 Jun 91 17:35:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4795; Fri, 07 Jun 91 17:35:52 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 91 22:34:25 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Administrivia (Read this, please) X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Jun 6, 91 1:23 pm Status: RO > > Also, has the list format changed? Before, I had my posts sent back to me > >in the list distribution (a very nice feature that lets you know it got out). > >I haven't seen post one from myself in quite some time. I do see others' > >posts. Are these things getting to you? > > Ron you old geezer, you're showing your age. :-) That was way back when I > was running this list via a VMS mail-distribution list, directly out of my > Vax account. Since we got onto the listserver, you don't get your own posts > back (Yes, I think that's annoying as well). Some listservers, but not ours, > feature an answerback mode where it DOES echo your post to you. Oh, well. :-) I admit it's pretty naff that the BOC-L listserv doesn't honour the "SET BOC-L REPRO" command but I have noticed that it has one real neat feature that I haven't seen much elsewhere. If you accidentally post the same message twice or more to BOC-L the listserv mails you back and tells you so. Importantly, it doesn't let the excess postings pass through to the list. So it ain't total crap... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 7 22:42:39 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10763; Fri, 7 Jun 91 22:42:31 EDT Message-Id: <9106080242.AA10763@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9489; Fri, 07 Jun 91 22:42:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6590; Fri, 07 Jun 91 22:42:36 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 91 17:00:00 CST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Hawkwind lyrics temporarily for anonymous FTP To: Steve Swann Status: RO I've got the current Hawkwind lyrics available for anonymous FTP from now till 8:00 AM Monday morning (CDT). The node number is 129.120.2.4. If you are not on the Internet or don't understand FTP, then you'll need to wait until Steve makes the lyrics available. Have fun, Billy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Jun 9 00:55:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16794; Sun, 9 Jun 91 00:55:48 EDT Message-Id: <9106090455.AA16794@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0933; Sun, 09 Jun 91 00:55:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9721; Sun, 09 Jun 91 00:55:51 EDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 91 23:54:22 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Rainbow ref (was Re: BOC ref) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9106062310.AA01253@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Blackmore" at Jun 6, 91 6:08 pm Status: RO > Also, does anyone know if Hawkwind or BOC will be anywhere near Illinois in > the recent future? I'm anxious to see either band live. > Blue Oyster Cult is playing at one of the stages the opening day of our world-renowned Summerfest here in Milwaukee. (June 27) They put on an awesome show two years ago! I was going to see them last year but they cancelled. Hopefully that won't happen this time. Hope this helped BOC fans in the Wisconsin/Illinois area. > > Dean C. Wagner Andy -- Andrew J. Will |\/\/\/\/| ".....Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu |********| understand. Ignorance and prejudice and Fear Univ of Wi--Milwaukee |/\/\/\/\| walk hand in hand." from "Witch Hunt" by RUSH =============================================================================== From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jun 10 18:59:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19453; Mon, 10 Jun 91 18:59:17 EDT Message-Id: <9106102259.AA19453@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2975; Mon, 10 Jun 91 18:59:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6006; Mon, 10 Jun 91 18:59:19 EDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 91 18:20:36 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Cultosaurus Erectus To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Jawaid Bazyar" at May 30, 91 2:00 pm Status: RO Jawaid Bazyar wrote: > Divine Wind - hmm. Definitely not your average BOC song. It's a cute line, > "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell", but > I'm not sure about making a song out o' it. Could it be the song is > about people who claimed the band was satanic or something? Actually, I'll admit that I too thought that it was directed towards the "moral majority" types when I first heard this track. Anyway, that's beside the point. What I did want to say is that Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet", when it was charting, always reminded me heavily of this track (or should that be vice versa?). "Divine Wind" is probably my favourite track off _Cultosaurus_. It's just sooooo hypnotically heavy... Enough of this madness... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 12 07:50:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27940; Wed, 12 Jun 91 07:49:59 EDT Message-Id: <9106121149.AA27940@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5320; Wed, 12 Jun 91 07:50:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8995; Wed, 12 Jun 91 07:44:42 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 07:39:23 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Song Lyrics... To: Steve Swann Status: RO I don't know about everyone else, but I am starting to get sick of song lyrics just popping up out of the blue. I just got 3 or 4 lyrics which meant nothing to me, plus the all say Incomplete. Can we work out some sort of way that not everyone has to get them? -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 12 09:48:58 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01095; Wed, 12 Jun 91 09:48:47 EDT Message-Id: <9106121348.AA01095@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5721; Wed, 12 Jun 91 09:48:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2429; Wed, 12 Jun 91 09:48:46 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 07:45:45 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: BOC (Lyric correction) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO B'OCultists: I would like to change a line on my lyrics translation. The second line should read: To the CATHEDRAL --------------- | There's a --------- /compadro ?? / *Dance of* | To {through} the ---------- /come, Pedro?? / *Through the* <-| Has not anyone anything to say? It seems so quiet now that everyone is gone. Yeah, I remember the good old days when I used to get 10-15 letters a day... (sigh) -------------------Trevor Baker tbaker@dante.nmsu.edu-------------------- | A harvest of life, or harvest of death | One body of life, one body of death | And when you've gone and choked to death ----- * ----- With laughter and a little step | I'll prepare the quicklime, friend \ For your ripe and ready grave -- BLUE OYSTER CULT | | \_/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 12 14:46:37 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB11116; Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:46:28 EDT Message-Id: <9106121846.AB11116@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6730; Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:45:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4639; Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:38:45 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:38:01 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: "From:"/"Sender:" field is missing. From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster To: Steve Swann Status: RO Return-Path: Received: by ernie.cs.uiuc.edu (4.0/NCSA-1.2) id AA04166; Wed, 12 Jun 91 12:55:37 CDT From: bazyar%cs.uiuc.edu@harvunxw.BITNET (Jawaid Bazyar) Message-Id: <9106121755.AA04166@ernie.cs.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: BOC (Lyric correction) To: BOC-L@ubvm.bitnet Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 12:55:34 CDT In-Reply-To: <199106121350.AA01555@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "tbaker@NMSU.EDU" at Jun 12, 91 7:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL10] > B'OCultists: I would like to change a line on my lyrics translation. > The second line should read: To the CATHEDRAL --------------- > | > There's a --------- /compadro ?? / *Dance of* | > To {through} the ---------- /come, Pedro?? / *Through the* <-| I always thought it was dance of Don Pedro... -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Graduated!/Comp Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be privileged to pay me! :-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 12 21:42:55 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25234; Wed, 12 Jun 91 21:42:51 EDT Message-Id: <9106130142.AA25234@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7738; Wed, 12 Jun 91 21:42:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7987; Wed, 12 Jun 91 21:42:53 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 15:54:39 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: pc Subject: Re: Xenon Codex X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9106122029.AA02472@relay1.UU.NET>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Jun 12, 91 4:03 pm Status: RO >I will ask this one more time as I doubt I am the only one with this >album on CD. Has anyone else noticed a wierd sequence of the songs on >the CD as compared to the leaflet. It seems to me that they combined >two of the songs on the disc but not on the songlist. Anyone? OK! OK! Yes, I noticed it too. Didn't really bother me all that much though! :-) Got any good live Hawkwind shows on tape (not from bootleg albums, etc)? I'm looking to expand my collection a bit. pc -- -m--------- Patrick Connor Pyramid Technology ---mmm------- (415) 335-8819 1295 Charleston Rd. -----mmmmm----- pc@pyramid.com -or- Mountain View, CA -------mmmmmmm--- uunet!pyramid!pc 94043 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 12 13:24:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08049; Wed, 12 Jun 91 13:24:51 EDT Message-Id: <9106121724.AA08049@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6509; Wed, 12 Jun 91 13:24:49 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1105; Wed, 12 Jun 91 13:24:35 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:35:22 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW lyrics - going private To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO OK, let's keep the lyrics work private for the moment. If anyone's still interested in working on what's left of the Hawkwind lyrics (I think there's 9 tracks we've no lyrics ofr and about 14 or so that are uncomplete) then please get in touch and we can keep at it through email. The address FoFP@uk.ac.ed or probably whatever gets into the header of this message, should get to me. Be Seeing You FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 13 20:05:44 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05607; Thu, 13 Jun 91 20:05:40 EDT Message-Id: <9106140005.AA05607@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9553; Thu, 13 Jun 91 20:05:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7858; Thu, 13 Jun 91 20:03:54 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 20:02:33 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Lips In the Hills X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 13 19:53:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05354; Thu, 13 Jun 91 19:53:56 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9539; Thu, 13 Jun 91 19:53:58 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7701; Thu, 13 Jun 91 19:53:57 EDT Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7691; Thu, 13 Jun 91 19:52:25 EDT Received: from NMSU.Edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Thu, 13 Jun 91 19:52:21 EDT Received: from dante (dante.NMSU.Edu) by NMSU.Edu (4.1/NMSU-1.18) id AA22543; Thu, 13 Jun 91 17:52:30 MDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 17:52:30 MDT From: Message-Id: <9106132352.AA22543@NMSU.Edu> Received: by dante (4.0/NMSU) id AA24872; Thu, 13 Jun 91 17:50:08 MDT To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Lips In the Hills Status: R One of the best tunes. Local AOR station has sampled the guitar intro and uses it when they play a station ID. Anyway, I heard this story awhile back, and thought I'd pass it along. Anybody out there familiar with the "Roswell Incident" ? Basically, some time in the 50's or so, there was a supposed coverup of a UFO crash in Roswell, NM. This UFO supposedly crashed on some dudes farm out in the rolling (hilly) plains of New Mexico, and the Air Force covered it up by saying it was a hot air balloon or something like that (there's books on it if you reall want to know). Anyway, all these people have been interviewed, retired air force and army people who were supposedly there, farmers who supposedly saw it, etc. I heard that Lips in the Hills is about this incident, as many of the local people swear they saw/heard strange things going on right before the supposed crash. Any comments? --Brian B. bbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Jun 15 16:32:17 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16223; Sat, 15 Jun 91 16:32:10 EDT Message-Id: <9106152032.AA16223@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1819; Sat, 15 Jun 91 16:32:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4704; Sat, 15 Jun 91 16:32:08 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 91 16:30:44 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 13 21:48:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08451; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:47:59 EDT Message-Id: <9106140147.AA08451@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9685; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:48:03 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9779; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:48:02 EDT Received: from VM.MARIST.EDU by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9773; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:47:53 EDT Received: by MARIST (Mailer R2.07) id 4802; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:47:20 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:42:25 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: GIF's To: BOC-L@UBVM Status: R Okay... I got the scanner working and sent out the GIF's to some peobut got lost in the shuffle. The availible GIF's are Hawkwind : Space Bandits BOC : Fire of Unknown Origin Hawkwind : The Xenon Codex Black Sabbath : Sabotage Black Sabbath : Paranoid Fates Warning : Awaken the Guardian ABWH : Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe They are all 256 color grayscale. If you requested something, or would like one of these, send me mail at STDN@MARIST.BITNET. If you didn't get something you requested already, please resend, as I got caught up in projects and got lost. If you are on BITNET, I will try to send them as a binary file via CMS SENDFILE, otherwise they will show up in your mailer as a UUENCODED file. -Dan PS: Any requests??? Don't go crazy with this, but I will see what I can do. BTW, the BOC and HW gif's above are the only albums I have by them so don't ask for any BOC or HW. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Jun 15 17:12:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17107; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:12:02 EDT Message-Id: <9106152112.AA17107@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1907; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:12:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5371; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:11:33 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:10:54 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Sheet music anybody? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 13 21:53:52 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08682; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:53:49 EDT Message-Id: <9106140153.AA08682@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9696; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:53:53 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9851; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:51:22 EDT Received: from VM.MARIST.EDU by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9812; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:49:53 EDT Received: by MARIST (Mailer R2.07) id 4804; Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:49:22 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 21:48:15 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Sheet music anybody? To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 28 May 91 04:08:33 +0200 from Status: RO >Anyway, I've placed a sample for anonymous ftp on nanny.lysator.liu.se >(130.236.254.13), file pub/misc/BOC-scores/reaper1.gif Can someone please send me this file? BITFTP, the only FTP I have until we get NYSERNET, won't go outside the continent now, so I can't get to it. Thanks. -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Jun 15 17:15:40 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17160; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:15:35 EDT Message-Id: <9106152115.AA17160@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1966; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:15:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5673; Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:13:11 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:11:43 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: RE:Lips in the hills X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 14 01:55:54 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15336; Fri, 14 Jun 91 01:55:52 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9887; Fri, 14 Jun 91 01:55:56 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2767; Fri, 14 Jun 91 01:55:55 EDT Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2756; Fri, 14 Jun 91 01:55:04 EDT Received: from SNYBUFVA by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9885; Fri, 14 Jun 91 01:55:02 EDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1991 01:56 EST From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: RE:Lips in the hills To: boc-l@UBVM.BITNET Message-Id: <73767272A0612E4D@SNYBUFVA> X-Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 X-Envelope-To: boc-l@UBVM.BITNET X-Vms-To: BITNET%"boc-l@ubvm" X-Vms-Cc: CHAN93 Status: RO --Brian B. (bbaker@nmsu.edu) writes : >Anybody out there familiar with the "Roswell Incident" ? Basically, some time >in the 50's or so, there was a supposed coverup of a UFO crash in Roswell, >NM. This UFO supposedly crashed on some dudes farm out in the rolling (hilly) >plains of New Mexico, and the Air Force covered it up by saying it was a etc etc this sounds like the Hangar 18 thing. A couple movies have been made about this theme also (sorry, dont remember the titles, check for them at the video store, or late late late late late show). Megadeth (gee who are they 8-) has a song "Hangar 18" off their latest album, which has a video which has a text opening something like "Near Roswell NV?/NM? [not sure] there were reports of UFO sightings.." and the video closes with "All eyewitness reports were denied by authorities..." who knows, maybe we've been visited by sentient aliens, and the govt doesnt want the public to know about it.... who knows, avg citizen IQ is 100, which doesnt fill me with a lot of confidence! and joe avg would freak out with xenophobia, or maybe thats an overestimation, and the public would welcome other lifeforms. I dont have a IMHO on this one.. - Alv From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 18 12:49:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28220; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:49:45 EDT Message-Id: <9106181649.AA28220@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4684; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:49:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6047; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:48:33 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:48:08 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: BOC in Milwaukee, WI X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 14 11:58:47 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00111; Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:58:38 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0381; Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:58:37 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3332; Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:58:33 EDT Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3322; Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:57:40 EDT Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Fri, 14 Jun 91 11:57:22 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA25851; Fri, 14 Jun 91 10:56:56 -0500 From: Andrew James Will Message-Id: <9106141556.AA25851@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: BOC in Milwaukee, WI To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 10:56:55 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: RO Att'n BOC fans: > > I remember reading that BOC was going to be in Milwaukee on June 27 for the > Milwaukee festival. Does anyone have any more information, or can verify this? > I'm most likely going, and have to get everyone together. > > > Dean C. Wagner One of the local rock stations has been talking about the show for the past few weeks. I called to confirm it, and the show was still a go (I am the original poster of the concert information). BOC is just one of the scores of bands that will be playing throughout the 11 day festival known as Summerfest. Summerfest takes place every year at the lakefront, and there are at least ten stages throughout the park where music of all kind from famous and not-so-famous musicians are played, (in- cluding a comedy stage with big-name comics). If you are a BOC fan but also like jazz, the blues, old rock, new rock, big band music, etc., then you will surely find it there. And of course Summerfest also is known for its awesome food stands which are everyplace that feature every ethnic and domestic food known to mankind. There are many other cool things here that I can't think of now. And to top it off, you get to see all the shows for the low admission fee of $7.00! (at the door--I bought mine for $5.00) And these aren't no-name bands either. The same night BOC is playing, Billy Squier is playing the same stage. There are also acts at the newest main stage (the Marcus Amphitheater) that are really big names, which you have to pay extra for reserved seating. I can send specifics for June 27 later, if information is requested. I didn't want to plug Summerfest too much here since everyone was only interested in BOC. Regardless, BOC *is* playing Summerfest at June 27 at a time unknown to me at present. I will let everyone know in a following shorter message. And, if there are any fans who might want to go, contact me and maybe we can get a huge group to see them! Thanks for your patience, Hawkwind fans!!!!!! ;-) Andy =============================================================================== Andrew J. Will / ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu || Lay not up for yourselves treasures University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, USA || upon earth, where moth and rust doth ----------------------------------------++ corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV) =============================================================================== From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 18 12:52:39 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB28369; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:52:32 EDT Message-Id: <9106181652.AB28369@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4735; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:52:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6230; Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:50:34 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 12:49:01 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: IMAGINOS Gif... X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 14 15:23:26 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB07217; Fri, 14 Jun 91 15:23:22 EDT Message-Id: <9106141923.AB07217@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0834; Fri, 14 Jun 91 15:23:14 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9328; Fri, 14 Jun 91 15:17:56 EDT Received: from VM.MARIST.EDU by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9198; Fri, 14 Jun 91 15:16:36 EDT Received: by MARIST (Mailer R2.07) id 9149; Fri, 14 Jun 91 14:07:11 EDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 14:05:10 EDT From: Dan Newcombe Subject: IMAGINOS Gif... To: BOC-L@UBVM Status: RO Okay... I picked up Imaginos today on my three hour lunch break(no lie). :) I will soon have 3 GIF's availiable from it. The front and back cover, and the inside of the booklet. They will be IMAG1 IMAG2 IMAG3 respectivly. -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 18 13:08:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28750; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:07:59 EDT Message-Id: <9106181707.AA28750@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4827; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:07:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6866; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:04:26 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:00:29 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Xenon Codex X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jun 14 17:17:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10966; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:17:18 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1139; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:17:20 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4301; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:17:18 EDT Received: from CUNYVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4299; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:17:07 EDT Received: from CUNYVM by CUNYVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0593; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:16:47 EDT Received: from apple.com by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with TCP; Fri, 14 Jun 91 17:16:06 EDT Received: by apple.com (5.61/25-eef) id AA13519; Fri, 14 Jun 91 13:49:53 -0700 for Received: by amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.7) id ; Fri, 14 Jun 91 13:27 PDT Received: from penguin.key.com by key.key.COM (4.0/smail2.5/02-02-89) id AA26796; Wed, 12 Jun 91 17:50:53 PDT Received: by penguin.key.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04680; Wed, 12 Jun 91 17:52:04 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 17:52:04 PDT From: jsp%penguin.key.com@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (James Preston) Message-Id: <9106130052.AA04680@penguin.key.com> To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu Subject: Re: Xenon Codex Status: RO Well, at the risk of offending the Hawkfans, I'll say that I bought this CD as my first Hawkwind album, based on what I read here. I found it to be so amazingly uninteresting, that I've attempted to listen to it three times now, and have yet to make it all the way through without being filled with a burning need to hear some REAL music. I do have a vague recollection of looking at the songlist once while listening and being confused, but that's the best I can do about confirming what Mr. Newcombe is saying. --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 18 13:10:53 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28948; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:10:47 EDT Message-Id: <9106181710.AA28948@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4876; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:10:40 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6970; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:06:35 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:01:34 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Could this be? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Jun 15 12:39:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10298; Sat, 15 Jun 91 12:39:39 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1727; Sat, 15 Jun 91 12:39:41 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3271; Sat, 15 Jun 91 12:39:40 EDT Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3269; Sat, 15 Jun 91 12:38:21 EDT Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Sat, 15 Jun 91 12:38:15 EDT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk via JANET with NIFTP id <11710-0@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Sat, 15 Jun 1991 17:37:00 +0100 Message-Id: <3228.9106151640@helios.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Subject: Could this be? To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (BOC List) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 91 17:40:51 BST From: Paul Mather Reply-To: This Space For Rent Sender: The Uproar Of One Hand Clapping Telephone: +(44) (0)248 351 151 ext 2723 Sent: Sat Jun 15 17:40:52 BST 1991 Status: RO Get yer thinking caps on people... I was in the record shop earlier today (where else:) when flipping through the racks I was amazed to come across an album called "Sweet Tooth" by _Soft White Underbelly_. The band name rang a bell---I remembered some veteran BOC fans on the list mention that BOC were actually called SWU before they became BOC. The question is this then: Is this *the* _Soft White Underbelly_? Do any BOC fans know if SWU released any albums? If so, was this one of them? I scrutinised the album sleeve for more info. Unfortunately it was very scarce. The cover shows a close-up photo of a shark breaking the surface of the water, gnashers revealed. On the back was merely a track listing---no band info, recording info, or anything. The only thing I noticed was that the album was on the Earache Records label, distributed by Revolver & Rough Trade GmBH (now sadly defunct, sob, sob---will I ever get the latest Mekong Delta album now???). No dates as to when it was published. A right old mystery I'll say... I doubt that this is some re-release of a forgotten SWU album. It's not exactly the sort of stuff that Earache carry. (For those of you who don't know, Earache Records are a label which specialises in hardcore/grindcore/etc.; Earache are the people who brought us Napalm Death and other such gems.) Of course, Earache could be diversifying (if so it'd be a pretty radical change)---I hear releasing back catalogue material is the lucrative thing to do nowadays. Besides, if it was actually *the* SWU, I'm sure there'd be stickers plastered all over the front cover saying things like "Features Blue Oyster Cult members" and so on. (There were no such stickers.) Any thoughts? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 18 13:16:14 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB29104; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:16:03 EDT Message-Id: <9106181716.AB29104@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4933; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:15:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7470; Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:12:28 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 13:06:01 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: HW lyrics - going private X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jun 17 14:49:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18735; Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:49:17 EDT Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3591; Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:49:13 EDT Received: from UBVM.BITNET by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2578; Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:49:11 EDT Received: from UBVM by ubvm.bitnet (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2447; Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:46:47 EDT Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with TCP; Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:46:42 EDT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk via JANET with NIFTP id <17197-0@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jun 1991 17:46:41 +0100 From: Paul Mather Message-Id: <1427.9106171650@helios.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from odin.sees by helios.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Jun 91 17:50:33 BST Subject: Re: HW lyrics - going private To: BOC-L <@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu:BOC-L@UBVM.bitnet> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 17:48:32 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "FoFP" at Jun 12, 91 2:35 pm Reply-To: This Space For Rent Sender: The Uproar Of One Hand Clapping Telephone: +(44) (0)248 351 151 ext 2723 Sent: Mon Jun 17 17:48:33 BST 1991 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R > OK, let's keep the lyrics work private for the moment. If anyone's still > interested in working on what's left of the Hawkwind lyrics (I think there's > 9 tracks we've no lyrics ofr and about 14 or so that are uncomplete) then please > get in touch > and we can keep at it through email. I'm willing to help out with the Hawkwind lyrics. Send me the list of the ones we're working on and I'll let you know which ones I have on LP/tape and thus can help with. Five tons of flax!, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 19 18:32:16 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26745; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:32:09 EDT Message-Id: <9106192232.AA26745@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6815; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:32:04 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5653; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:32:03 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:30:13 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Mailer??? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Why is everything being sent back throught the server and then to the group. The headers are becoming a pain in the neck, as is the delay in mail distribution, and receiving one's own mail??? -Dan [ I should have thought the answer to be somewhat obvious. In order to curtail the flood of lyrics postings that were saturating this group and aggravating most of the members, I have temporarily made myself Editor of the group. All postings get forwarded to me for approval. So far I have not rejected any, nor have I received any further lyrics postings, so I expect that in a week or so, I will return the group to it's original "democratic" state. - your Humble Moderator :-) ] From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jun 19 18:33:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26777; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:33:30 EDT Message-Id: <9106192233.AA26777@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6862; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:33:26 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5756; Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:32:34 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 18:31:55 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Could this be? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO YOU FOOL! YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT! EVEN IF YOU HAD TO SELL YOURSELF ON THE STREET TO GET THE MONEY! THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WAS A RE- LEASE BY OUR MOST WORSHIPED BLUE OYSTER CULT... Actually, they did cut 2 previously unreleased albums. One as The Soft White Underbelly and the other as Stalk Forest Group (or something like that, my tiny mind is prone to fail at times). If you see it again, buy it. I'll buy it off you, I'm willing to be out a few bucks for the opportunity to possibly get my grubby little hands on some extra- early BOC! Oh, I guess the first part sounds kind of like a flame.... Sorry, that is not the way I meant it to sound. :) ------------------- Trevor Baker tbaker@nmsu.edu ---------------------- | A harvest of life, or harvest of death | One body of life, one body of death | And when you've gone and choked to death ----- * ----- With laughter and a little step | I'll prepare the quicklime, friend .. \ For your ripe and ready grave -- BLUE OYSTER CULT | | \_/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 20 13:44:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03568; Thu, 20 Jun 91 13:44:27 EDT Message-Id: <9106201744.AA03568@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8370; Thu, 20 Jun 91 13:44:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5586; Thu, 20 Jun 91 13:44:20 EDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 13:43:42 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Could this be? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I looked for this Soft White Underbelly album in a few stores yesterday and didn't see it... My guess is there's _some_ chance that it's an early BOC, but odds are that it's actually a European industrial noise/metal group. I've seen the catalog of this Earache label and they're not interested in any music with the least bit of subtlety or sophistication :-) JB From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jun 24 14:00:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00736; Mon, 24 Jun 91 14:00:45 EDT Message-Id: <9106241800.AA00736@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1013; Mon, 24 Jun 91 14:01:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8186; Mon, 24 Jun 91 14:01:28 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 91 14:00:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Xenon Codex X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well James, if it's any consolation, I'm not dead keen on Xenon Codex myself. The Hawkwind albums I'd reccommend listening to are Warrior on the Edge of Time Hall of the Mountain Grill Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Levitation IMHO these albums best display the variation in Hawkwind music from the moody electronic pieces to the all-systems-go rocky tracks. If you're bothered by the weirdness and voiceover parts then Warrior has more of this than the others. I've been toying with the idea of putting together Hawkwind compilation tapes. Mainly because friends of mine have very different tastes in music and I'm sure that some Hawkwind stuff would appeal to them while other stuff might not. Personally I like the variation in tone and speed that is a kind of trademark of Hawkwind albums and concerts, but you can't please all of the folks all of the time. Anyway, I'd be splitting these into 4 categories: 1) Fast, hard, rocky 2) Moody electronic 3) Weird (possibly including some voiceover stuff) 4) Moody rock tracks (e.g. Wings/D-Rider/Kadu Flyer) I have some vague ideas as to what tracks should go on where, but I'd be interested in opinions. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 25 12:59:17 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10793; Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:58:57 EDT Message-Id: <9106251658.AA10793@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1848; Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:59:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4995; Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:59:39 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:57:44 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: Re: Could this be? X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Trevor Baker exhorts: > YOU FOOL! YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT! EVEN IF YOU HAD TO SELL YOURSELF ON > THE STREET TO GET THE MONEY! THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WAS A RE- > LEASE BY OUR MOST WORSHIPED BLUE OYSTER CULT... Ok, ok, flay me alive! :) Everybody lie down on the floor and remain calm... :-) With bated breath I undertook another reconnaissance of the record shop where I first espied the sacred words "Soft White Underbelly." To my utmost dismay, further, *CALM* examination revealed that this was NOT a SWU album. The reason for this was ludicrously simple: In fact, the album was by _Sweet Tooth_ and called "Soft White Underbelly." :-) (This was not very evident by the album itself as the cover was very nondescript. The worse thing was the classification scheme the shop uses to identify the albums. Each one has a white sticky label on the back of the plastic outer sleeve with the price on the front. On this white label, the album is listed by *title* and then *artist*. Thus on the label it had "Soft White Underbelly --- Sweet Tooth." Obviously this lame classification system through me a curve. That and the excitement at what I could've been holding in my hands... :-) I guess my initial doubts over its authenticity rang true in the end... :) But once bitten, twice shy. I'm not even going to *MENTION* that BOC "Live in New York, '72" French import CD I saw in the June issue of _Record Collector_ until I have the thing in my grubby hands... (Yes Steve, *me* stooping to buying CD's!:) Cheers, and sorry for the false alarm, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jun 25 14:38:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15156; Tue, 25 Jun 91 14:38:23 EDT Message-Id: <9106251838.AA15156@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2006; Tue, 25 Jun 91 14:39:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7621; Tue, 25 Jun 91 14:32:55 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 12:28:55 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: bbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Could this be? X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Whoah...whats this "Live In New York , 72" thing??? Anyway the rest of us could our grubby paws on that? :) --Brian B. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jun 27 18:23:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27395; Thu, 27 Jun 91 18:23:38 EDT Message-Id: <9106272223.AA27395@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5821; Thu, 27 Jun 91 18:24:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6626; Thu, 27 Jun 91 17:55:46 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 16:40:51 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: BOC in Chicago X-To: Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO The place was a fairly small bar, and it was packed. By the time I managed to get close to the stage, I could barely breath, let alone move. The opening band really sucked- the members looked like a combination of Nelson and the Beastie Boys (two skinhead types and two long blonde hair to the ass types). And they played like they were Guns 'n' Roses. I guess we can ALL be BOC, eh? :-) Finally, after what seemed a long time (took forever for the roadie to tune Buck's guitar- in fact, Buck came out once to give him a hand). Someone said "On your feet or on your knees, Blue Oyster Cult" and they walked out and ... They opened the show with "Stairway to the Stars"... here's a list of the songs they played (they're not in order, except for the opener and encore- there's no way I could have written them down). Stairway to the Stars Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame Career of Evil Astronomy E.T.I. (Don't Fear) The Reaper Unknown Tongue Godzilla Take Me Away Buck's Boogie Burnin' for You Before the Kiss, a Redcap Encore: This Ain't the Summer of Love They had T-Shirts on sale and I picked up one of the "BOC On Tour Forever" shirts with the "Tyranny & Mvtation" designs on the front and back- reasonably priced, too (Yes' shirts were $30 minimum, these were $18 all around). They were selling the shirts from a trunk that said: Aldo Nova c/o S. Perlman, Inc New York, NY ... Now for technology- Buck exclusively played a black headless with a big '2' on the body. Alan played a metallic forest green generic type, and Eric played a fire red Kramer. When they played "The Reaper", Buck had a bar fastened across the second fret, and Eric had a little gizmo to indefinitely sustain that one screaming note in the song- then he very inelegantly threw it to one of the stage hands. Personal Habits- Alan smoked an amazing number of cigarettes and a beer. Eric drank a Coke and a Sprite. Buck had only water (except for the encore). Personnel- the ad in the paper for the show claimed "Four of the original members", which I found very interesting. Alan, Eric, and Buck were definitely there. The drummer hadn't been playing long- when they told him to play "Career of Evil" there were a couple of false starts until he remembered which one it was. Now the bass player was an interesting fellow- very reserved, had dark, curly hair. Looked somewhat old. And he had a big nose. Could this possibly have been Joe Bouchard? If it was, this could be the start of something big... Big event of the show- Buck had no mustache! He was completely clean shaven. It's funny, without the mustache he looks like a normal person, not the superhuman guitar-playing god that he is. :-) And he didn't throw out any picks :-( I'd have been happier if they'd come back on for one or two more encores and played something like "Last Days of May" or "The Red & The Black", but I don't blame them for not coming back out- it was blistering hot. By the time I left, I was completely soaked- my jeans were stuck to my legs and I could barely move them. In all I had a good time (except for the asshole using me as a wall to lean against), and I'll definitely check them out in the future.. -- Jawaid Bazyar | "Twenty seven faces- with their eyes turned to Graduated!/Comp Engineering | the sky. I have got a camera, and an airtight bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | alibi.." Apple II Forever! | I need a job... Be privileged to pay me! :-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 5 07:37:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04073; Fri, 5 Jul 91 07:37:00 EDT Message-Id: <9107051137.AA04073@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2236; Fri, 05 Jul 91 07:37:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6465; Fri, 05 Jul 91 07:37:37 EDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 91 07:34:43 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: IMAGINOS GIFS (AT LAST To: Steve Swann Status: RO I finally have the Imaginos GIF's availiable. IMAG1 : Front Cover IMAG2 : Back Cover IMAG3 : Inside picture. -Dan STDN@MARIST From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jul 17 11:19:38 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17389; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:19:29 EDT Message-Id: <9107171519.AA17389@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9202; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:19:52 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7353; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:16:49 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 11:11:25 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Oops! (Read this please!) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hi folks, I'm not sure how this happened, but lots of you (maybe all of you?) have been getting the "Hi, so you want to join BOC-L" letter. Ignore it, I was answering all the backlog of requests (about 3 weeks or a months worth), and I apparently managed to send a copy to not only all the new folks, but all the old guard as well. Egads, the wonders of modern technology. You can all go back to working on your tans now. :-) - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Hi Steve, Thanx for clearing that up!! Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jul 17 13:39:27 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22296; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:39:17 EDT Message-Id: <9107171739.AA22296@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9466; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:39:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3030; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:39:38 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 17:21:05 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Some Enchanted Explanations?... X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann Status: RO A potpourri of BOC questions for the diehards and knowledgeable out there: I have, at long last, obtained a copy of _Club Ninja_. Whereas I could ask the obvious question of "What happened?", I won't (I think Steve has already hinted at an answer; the proliferation of outside writers and a lack of a Bouchard). Instead my question is simply this: Why "Club Ninja"? Were the guys going through an Elvis-like Kung-Fu infatuation at the time? :-) Next one: I also got a vinyl copy of _Some Enchanted Evening_ to replace my cassette version. The vinyl copy is actually a Greek pressing (ooer) and on the back, apart from some Greek writing along the bottom, I was intrigued to see that some parts of the standard rear cover printing had been deliberately obliterated. The CBS symbol in the bottom right is scribbled out and some text to the left of it also. Can any trivia fans let me know what the original text was? It runs "(C) 1978 CBS Inc./(P) 1978 CBS Inc./<...scribbled out...> WARNING: All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized [[sic]] duplication is a violation of applicable laws." One thing I noticed in the track notes is the one for "Godzilla" and "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place." The place they were recorded shouldn't be "New Castle" but instead should be "Newcastle" (as in Newcastle Upon Tyne). I should know; my home town of South Shields lies barely ten miles east of there! I hope you will all amend your copies accordingly. :-) Third: I've been going through a phase of frantic searching for Hawkwind and BOC vinyl and obscure recordings. Combine this with my current predeliction for listening to BOC live material and we get my next query: On _Extraterrestrial Live_ I noticed in the track notes that "Dominance and Submission" was recorded for the King Biscuit Flower Hour. For those of you that don't know, a lot of the King Biscuit concerts are available commercially (albeit at a price); they are ready- to-broadcast US radio shows, complete with cue sheets. Does anyone know if the BOC King Biscuit concert ("D&S" was recorded 11 Feb 1980) is available in all its glory, or was that track recorded in isolation to be used in some potpourri King Biscuit Flower Hour? Enquiring minds would very much like to know. :) Keeping with _Extraterrestrial Live_, I phoned a record dealer recently to find out more about a nondescript BOC live CD advertised. The chap on the phone said the CD had fifteen tracks and when he started reading out the track list, I said "Is this Extraterrestrial Live?" having recognised the first four tracks. Consulting the box he confirmed it was. Since I have this on vinyl I wasn't interested further. However, it only struck me later that he'd said there were *fifteen* tracks on the CD---my vinyl copy has only thirteen! My question is, therefore, what are the extra two tracks on the CD version of _ETL_? (I don't have a copy of the BOC discography so I can't look it up.) Hopefully these should stir up a little activity. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jul 17 13:43:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22483; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:43:27 EDT Message-Id: <9107171743.AA22483@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9512; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:43:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3121; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:40:50 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 17:30:44 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Live, New York '72 X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Brian Baker wrote: > Whoah...whats this "Live In New York , 72" thing??? Anyway the rest of us > could our grubby paws on that? :) Well, I said that I'd keep my mouth shut about this one until I actually had it safely in my hands. Now that I do I am free to speak... Right. If this were a slab of vinyl instead of a CD I would have no hesitation in calling it a live EP. ("Extended Play" implies something different to me when applied to CD. What would you call it? A "Mini Album?" Damn these new fangled things.:) It has four live tracks on it, recorded live in New York in 1972. The track listing on the CD is: Workshop Of The Telescopes (3:40) Cities On Flame With Rock 'n' Roll (4:42) The Red And The Black (4:35) Buck's Boogie (5:18) Of course the actual running order when you play it is last two first and first two last (i.e. tracks 3, 4, 1, 2 for those who are lost). :) Ok, for those of you who haven't guessed, this is a live bootleg. One of the things I like most about live bootlegs is that you get to hear the band "in the raw"---no overdubs, no studio trickery, nothing, just pure, unretouched, take-it-or-leave-it music, warts 'n' all. They are also a great indication of how the band will *actually* sound live, so long as the bootleg is recorded competently. Fortunately, in the case of this CD it is. Sound is sometimes a little wobbly (with some minor stereo drift in one or two places) but is overall good; Buck's guitar sounds lean and mean and Albert's drums crisp 'n' loud. (Sound quality is better than a lot of those "rare" live Hawkwind recordings that can be found infesting the likes of _Live '70/'73_, _In The Beginning_, _Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin_, etc.) Listening to it, I guess this recording was fed off the sound engineer's mixing desk or something similar. I've heard better live recordings and I've heard worse. In some respects I'd rate this as a better live recording, but I'm not talking just about sound quality here. (Turn up the volume, the bass, and push in that loudness button for that genuine head-in-the-bass-bins feel. :-)) But enough of technical aspects, what about the actual live stuff itself? Well let me just say that the sheer power and liveliness of this CD took me aback when I first listened to it. It is more frantic IMHO than any other BOC live material I've yet heard (i.e. _Extraterrestrial Live_, _Some Enchanted Evening_ and yes, even _On Your Feet Or On Your Knees_ to which it compares the closest). The sheer *rawness* of the tracks may be a major contributing factor to this. Also maybe because the delivery is fast and loose. It's hard to say. What isn't hard to say is that these tracks are so raw and heavy, turn 'em up loud and they'll strip the paint off your walls... Some comments on each: "The Red And The Black": This steams along at a nice fast pace and, to use a Spinal Tap-ism, everyone sounds as if they're playing at 11. :) Despite the very abrupt lead in this soon settles down to become the heaviest (feel that bass---ouch!), loosest rendition of this track I've ever heard (just pipping the version on _OYFOOYK_). Just hear Al bash his kit like a maniac, hear everyone bounding along. Classic stuff. "Buck's Boogie": Just when you thought you'd gotten used to the heaviness of "The Red And The Black" in wades "Buck's Boogie" taking no prisoners. An up-tempo delivery similar to the preceding track. In the twists and turns we hear some nice (i.e. restrained:) keyboard work from Allen, more sterling work from Albert who continues to to pound his kit like a man possessed, and of course, some virtuoso work from Buck, underpinned all the way through by the *crushing* bass work of Joe. *The* classic track delivered in classic style. This'll have your head spinning. "Workshop Of The Telescopes": The easy-listening track on the CD. :-) A chance to get your breath back. Don't expect anything tranquil though; this version is much heavier than that on _Blue Oyster Cult_. It also has a curious little guitar bridge part which sounds a *lot* like that famous guitar hook plundered by Vauxhall Motors from "Layla" (ok, I know you US subscribers won't know what the hell I'm on about, but it makes a change, doesn't it?:). Certainly a different version to the album. "Cities On Flame With Rock 'n' Roll": The highlight of the CD for me (with "Buck's Boogie" running a close second). When I first heard this I couldn't help saying "fucking hell!" out loud and thinking how incredibly heavy this was. This is definitely the wickedest version of this track I've ever had the pleasure to hear (in more respects than one). Sledgehammer heaviness, snarling vocals. Am I referring to a Death Metal band here? No, just BOC giving a crushing rendition of a killer track! Turn it up! :) So there you have it. I guess by now you've gotten the impression that I like this CD. Well you'd be wrong---I *really* like it! :) This isn't the tightest playing I've ever heard from this band but it's certainly the most alive and kicking. It certainly made an impression on me (but then it would, since _OYFOOYK_ is my favourite BOC live album). The sheer exuberance of the live performance really gets to you and the small, cramped, sweaty atmosphere captured on the recording really adds to the synergy of the whole thing (so some git's going to come along and say that it was actually recorded in a huge arena... I can still close my eyes and imagine though. [I haven't a clue which venue it was recorded in; there's no clues from the CD box beyond "New York". That narrows it down, eh?]). Intense stuff. If you liked _On Your Feet Or On Your Knees_ then I think you'll probably love this as they are cast in the same mould. And hey, you know this is the real thing when on the back of the box is a picture of, yes, you guessed it, an authentic five man guitar jam! (Has Eric and Allen's fashion sense changed since then I wonder.:) My only gripe is that there isn't more. Where are the other tracks from this gig hiding themselves? I'd *LOVE* to hear the full thing... :-) I don't know if this CD is in the BOC discography or not. (Nobody will send me a copy. :-( ) If not, the track listing is as given earlier. Strangely enough, this CD is actually called simply _Blue Oyster Cult_ on the box (both on the CD and the box spine and front). I guess the French company that made it doesn't realise the confusion that could cause! I suggest that it be listed as _Live, New York '72_ or something similar. For those that are interested, the CD is published by Skydog International and distributed by Melodie Distribution. It is made in France. The catalogue number is 62237-2 with DK 024 written underneath (don't know if this latter bit it part of the catalogue number or not). Have fun searching. Cheers, Paul. "Save that fist bang shit For bands like Motley Crue" --- S.O.D., "Fist Banging Mania" -- e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jul 17 16:42:51 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00190; Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:42:41 EDT Message-Id: <9107172042.AA00190@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9776; Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:43:01 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0380; Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:42:55 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 15:40:01 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Jawaid Bazyar Subject: Re: Some Enchanted Explanations?... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <199107171807.AA16651@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Paul Mather" at Jul 17, 91 5:21 pm Status: RO > A potpourri of BOC questions for the diehards and knowledgeable out > there: > I hope you will all amend your copies accordingly. > :-) Change made...:-) [...] > if the BOC King Biscuit concert ("D&S" was recorded 11 Feb 1980) is > available in all its glory, or was that track recorded in isolation to > be used in some potpourri King Biscuit Flower Hour? Enquiring minds > would very much like to know. :) I've had a hard time finding King Biscuit stuff (except for Devo, but that's a long story). I came across a cache of Radio-1 Interview stuff once, but no BOC :-( > My question is, therefore, > what are the extra two tracks on the CD version of _ETL_? (I don't have > a copy of the BOC discography so I can't look it up.) Argh! My CD copy of ETL only has 13 tracks. Either you found a dumb person on the phone, or a treasure. Is it possible the Brit version of the ETL CD has extra tracks? -- Jawaid Bazyar | Who needs a stinking job? I've got the Graduated!/Comp Engineering | Dark Side (tm) of the Force (tm) on my team! bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | (Dath Varder, 1991) The entire universe Apple II Forever! | is a (c) figment of George Lucas (tm). From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Jul 17 17:41:15 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB02618; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:40:59 EDT Message-Id: <9107172140.AB02618@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9895; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:41:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2519; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:28:34 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 17:08:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: king biscuit...munch munch To: Steve Swann Status: RO when i was in high school (dating my self here.. 1984), there was a record store (now long gone) that used to have different King Biscuit Flower hour concerts on album form...mixed in with everything else... There were in white album jackets (with the holes in them so you could see the album labels) my guess is that radio stations got rid of them because there were other 'promotion only' albums in that place also....so my suggestion is to hunt thru hole-in-the-wall places, or places that are fronts for cr*ck houses 8-) good hunting From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jul 18 01:16:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16114; Thu, 18 Jul 91 01:16:21 EDT Message-Id: <9107180516.AA16114@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0619; Thu, 18 Jul 91 01:16:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4507; Thu, 18 Jul 91 01:16:37 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 00:14:10 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: New BOC Album X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well, just in case anyone is wondering, Eric Bloom and Donald Roeser said the new album comes out this Spring. I heard them say this before the concert at Summerfest in Milwaukee (the world's largest music festival). Their concert tottaly kicked a*s by the way. I would give you details about the concert, but I'm sure no-one is interested. Dancin' in the Ruins Andy ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu University of Wisconsin -- Milwaukee -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jul 18 14:36:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10410; Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:36:17 EDT Message-Id: <9107181836.AA10410@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1429; Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:36:27 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2268; Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:23:08 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 09:59:45 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Bob Netherton Subject: Re: Some Enchanted Explanations?... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Paul, Funny that you bring up the King Biscuit question. Just last weekend I was copying some < no flames please > 8-Tracks to cassettes. One of those tapes was a King Biscuit featuring Blue Oyster Cult recorded in Poughkeepsie NY on 11 Feb 1980. The segment was about 35 minutes without commercials. The songs played were 1. Dominance and Submission 2. Dr. Music 3. The Great Sun Jester 4. We Gotta Get Out of This Place 5, ETI 6. ME262 7. (Don't Fear) The Reaper This had to be the tail end of the Mirrors tour because Eric Bloom introduced Dr. Music and Sun Jester as a couple of tunes from our latest album. King Biscuit also aired a Black Sabbath sometime later set which I naturally put on the back of the BOC cassette. The interesting thing about this is that one of the commercial breaks had a local advertisement for the Black and Blue show. About the scribbles on Some Enchanted Evening, here they go. There are three lines, excuse the line breaks - they use a smaller font than I have. Line 1: (c) 1978 CBS Inc. / (p) 1978 CBS Inc. Manufactured by Columbia Records / CBS Inc. / 51W52 Street, New York NY / Line 2: "Columbia" are Trademarks of CBS Inc. Except in Canada Where They are Trademarks of CBS Records Canada LTD. Printed Line 3: in USA / WARNING: All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized Duplication is a Violation of Applicable Laws. I think this is a correct representation, punctuation, caps, etc. As I put on my asbestos underwear < I really don't own an 8Track - really >, I hope that this answers your questions. Good luck searching for the LP. Later, Bob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Jul 18 15:26:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12190; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:26:02 EDT Message-Id: <9107181926.AA12190@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1550; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:26:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4598; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:22:45 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 18:02:42 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Some Enchanted Explanations?... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Jawaid Bazyar" at Jul 17, 91 3:40 pm Status: RO Jawaid Bazyar writes: > I've had a hard time finding King Biscuit stuff (except for Devo, but > that's a long story). I came across a cache of Radio-1 Interview stuff > once, but no BOC :-( I've had no problems finding sources for King Biscuit, Westwood One, BBC Transcription discs, whatever. I've seen plenty advertised, both on CD and vinyl. Thing is I've never seen any BOC (or Hawkwind come to think of it) advertised, but then again they normally just *advertise* the popular, mainstream stuff. It would make my searching easier if I knew the recording existed (some details would help too) rather than beat my brains out looking for something that might not in fact exist. There's bound to be some college DJ's on this list. Any of you, or anyone for that matter, got an address where King Biscuit lives? It might be possible to get a list of everything they've ever done and released from them. > > My question is, therefore, > > what are the extra two tracks on the CD version of _ETL_? (I don't have > > a copy of the BOC discography so I can't look it up.) > > Argh! My CD copy of ETL only has 13 tracks. Either you found a dumb > person on the phone, or a treasure. Is it possible the Brit version of > the ETL CD has extra tracks? Actually this wasn't the British version. (I'm not sure whether BOC has been re-released on CD over here; all the CDs I see of them are listed as "Import.") It was listed rather nondescriptly as "BLUE OYSTER CULT, Live, US long box CD" in the advert. Maybe the person made a mistake, maybe not. Oh, and whilst I'm on the subject of _Extraterrestrial Live_, whose idea was it to put the blooper over Eric's voice when he says "shit" in the intro to "Godzilla?" (The bit where he goes "...holy @$#!, it's Godzilla!") Was this pressure from CBS? It sounds really lame, IMHO. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 19 11:27:54 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16443; Fri, 19 Jul 91 11:27:52 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19943; Fri, 19 Jul 91 11:27:14 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 11:27:14 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9107191527.AA19943@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: How to get Hawkwind CD's in the U.S. Status: RO Hi folks, Just thought some of you might be interested in the following order information: Midnight Records P.O. Box 390 Old Chelsea Station New York, NY 10011 Phone: (212) 675-2768 open noon-8pm, tuesday through saturday Shipping & Insurance: $4.00 for 1-8 items, $6 for 9-16 items (in U.S.) Their prices on Hawkwind CD's are $19.99 apiece, and they stock (according to their ad): Space Bandits PXR5 Quark, Strangeness and Charm Chronicle of the Black Sword Master of the Universe In Search of Space Hall of the Mountain Grill Palace Springs (the 1991 live album recorded on their last tour) They also list for $17.99: Stasis: UA Years '71-75 Ridicule I am (obviously) in no way affiliated with Midnight Records, except that I intend to buy many CD's from them. :-) By the way, for those of you in the Western New York area, I went to the House of Guitars last week, and I would like to mention that it's impressive, but really messy. :-) I mean, they had all kinds of really neat stuff, but it was just jammed into the bins like it had been forced in with crowbars. I found a single of Burnin' For You, with a couple of live versions of other songs on the flip side, but it was so crushed and mutilated (by being in the bins, not by being played to death!), that I just left it. Same with a press kit/tourbook from their Cultosaurus tour I think it was. It had been left on the floor, and walked all over. I noticed it right under my feet while I was standing in line at the checkout, and I picked it up and flipped through it. It was pretty neat, if it had been in better shape, I would have bought it. They also had some Hawkwind stuff in the import CD bins, though mostly those variable quality compilations. Since I couldn't remember offhand which were the good ones and which were the bad ones, I skipped them for another day. They also had just got in a few copies of Captain Lockheed and The Starfighters. Is that the one Mike Moorcock plays banjo on, or am I thinking of Lucky Leif and the Vikings? :-) Anyway, it was all in all a pretty good store, except that I think the advent of CD's has wrecked the place by doubling the amount of stuff thy have to stock in the same amount of floorspace. It's just too crowded to be much use to anyone. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 01:24:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13498; Mon, 22 Jul 91 01:24:28 EDT Message-Id: <9107220524.AA13498@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4232; Mon, 22 Jul 91 01:24:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2938; Mon, 22 Jul 91 01:24:48 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 01:23:17 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Imaginos & Joe Satriani X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO So how did Joe Satriani wind up doing session work on Imaginos? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 08:22:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23156; Mon, 22 Jul 91 08:22:19 EDT Message-Id: <9107221222.AA23156@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4388; Mon, 22 Jul 91 08:22:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5646; Mon, 22 Jul 91 08:22:37 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 08:19:09 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: BLACK SABBATH news... To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well...I got this off of the ALLMUSIC discussion list... -=-=-= Ronnie James Dio is teaming up with Black Sabbath again. There will be a couple other,as it was put, washed up artists also joining. I hope that not-washed-up artist Bill Ward rejoins the group. Anyone else have his solo album "Along the Way"??? -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 11:04:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28157; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:04:40 EDT Message-Id: <9107221504.AA28157@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4669; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:04:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0880; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:04:25 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 10:14:32 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Sabbath w/Dio X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107221222.AA02720@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Jul 22, 91 8:19 am Status: RO > Ronnie James Dio is teaming up with Black Sabbath again. Someone mentioned this on the metal alias. I hope this venture is successful in reestablishing Black Sabbath as a band of importance. Speaking as a major fan of Sabbath, I paid absolutely no attention whatsoever after 'Born Again.' It would be nice to see Ozzy back with BS, but from what I've heard this is about as likely as Roger Waters' rejoining Pink Floyd. I haven't heard Bill Ward's solo work, but I'd also like to see him back with Iommi and Sabbath. Any word on what sort of project the new/old Sabbath will work on? Dates? -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 11:48:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29717; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:47:57 EDT Message-Id: <9107221547.AA29717@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4755; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:48:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2379; Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:48:12 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 11:38:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Sabbath w/Dio X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107221507.AA07347@UVM.EDU>; from "Ron Rader" at Jul 22, 91 10:14 am Status: RO > I haven't heard Bill Ward's solo work, but I'd also like to see him back > with Iommi and Sabbath. I have. It's not too bad. A little corny and a little Top-40ish, but some of it made a good listen. Not comprable to anything I can think of off the top of my head. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Slow runner, I'll take you like the others.... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 12:27:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01340; Mon, 22 Jul 91 12:27:34 EDT Message-Id: <9107221627.AA01340@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4845; Mon, 22 Jul 91 12:27:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3806; Mon, 22 Jul 91 12:27:47 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 12:20:56 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Sabbath stuffs To: Steve Swann Status: RO > Speaking as a major >fan of Sabbath, I paid absolutely no attention whatsoever after 'Born Again.' >It would be nice to see Ozzy back with BS, but from what I've heard this is >about as likely as Roger Waters' rejoining Pink Floyd. I don't have TYR yet...It's the only one I don't have. Headless Cross was a let down, Eternal Idol is okay. I think that Seventh Star is one of their best...recently. I have a bootleg of this tour. Personally, I would love to see Ozzy back, along the Vol 4. and Master of Reality era....but doubtful...VERY!!! About Bill Ward's Album... > I have. It's not too bad. A little corny and a little > Top-40ish, but some of it made a good listen. Not comprable > to anything I can think of off the top of my head. I don't think that it is like anything else. Ozzy and Jack Bruce on the same album. don't happen much. The music is of all different types. It's something definatley worth checking out. -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 13:25:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03455; Mon, 22 Jul 91 13:24:55 EDT Message-Id: <9107221724.AA03455@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4952; Mon, 22 Jul 91 13:25:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5328; Mon, 22 Jul 91 13:25:09 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 13:13:27 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Sabbath stuffs X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107221630.AA09454@UVM.EDU>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Jul 22, 91 12:20 pm Status: RO > > I have. It's not too bad. A little corny and a little > > Top-40ish, but some of it made a good listen. Not comprable > > to anything I can think of off the top of my head. > I don't think that it is like anything else. Ozzy and Jack Bruce on the > same album. don't happen much. The music is of all different types. > It's something definatley worth checking out. Exactly. I don't want to say it's a great album, 'cause it's not, but it's also quite good in some parts. I could have only wished for a bit more heaviness, perhaps. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Slow runner, I'll take you like the others.... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 22 17:46:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13217; Mon, 22 Jul 91 17:46:00 EDT Message-Id: <9107222146.AA13217@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5294; Mon, 22 Jul 91 17:46:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2834; Mon, 22 Jul 91 17:46:20 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 17:33:36 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: Live, New York '72 To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 17 Jul 1991 17:30:44 BST from Status: RO > this Live in New York '72 thing... I think I might have mentioned before, a four-song promotional EP that was sent to radio stations just after "Tyranny & Mutation" was released ('73). I read about it in a review but never saw a copy. This sounds like it could be the same material, now on CD. If so, then the version of "Buck's Boogie" also appears on the weird Columbia sampler "The Guitars That Destroyed The World." Does Albert flail around wildly, bashing his drums before and after "Buck's Boogie?" That's clearly audible on TGTDTW. That's quite a find! JB From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jul 23 12:19:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15289; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:19:54 EDT Message-Id: <9107231619.AA15289@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6021; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:20:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0806; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:20:11 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1991 10:15:56 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Imaginos & Joe Satriani X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107220523.AA14593@dante>; from "jmalcolm%SURA.NET%UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Jul 22, 91 1:23 am Status: RO > > So how did Joe Satriani wind up doing session work on Imaginos? > It is my understanding (from Metal Shop) that most of the artists that were featured on Imaginos were actually drafted by Sandy Pearlman. It seems that they walked into the studio and were asked to perform some basic tracks. Have any of you been able to pick any of his work out of the songs? ------------------- Trevor Baker == tbaker@nmsu.edu ---------------------- | A harvest of life, or harvest of death | One body of life, one body of death | And when you've gone and choked to death ---- * ---- With laughter and a little step | I'll prepare the quicklime, friend .. \ For your ripe and ready grave -- BLUE OYSTER CULT | | \_/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Jul 23 12:23:35 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15378; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:23:28 EDT Message-Id: <9107231623.AA15378@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6073; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:23:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0966; Tue, 23 Jul 91 12:22:21 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1991 10:17:23 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Thin Lizzy X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I know that this is not the place to be asking this, but is anyone out there a Thin Lizzy fan? tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 13:10:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24352; Fri, 26 Jul 91 13:10:16 EDT Message-Id: <9107261710.AA24352@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1809; Fri, 26 Jul 91 13:10:32 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8913; Fri, 26 Jul 91 13:10:16 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 17:40:10 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Doctor Brock and the Daleks To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Thought you guys might like this review. It's typical of the "bunch of old hippies" attitude of the press, but I did at least think it was funny: With no permission at all from the Glasgow Herald. Hawkwind at Barrowlands, Glasgow (review dated 8/7/91 by Stewart Hennessey) Now entering its third decade with its 41st lineup, having completed 25 albums, the band that likes to say no to fashion and yes to tons of drugs was in fine form for its weekend gig. Like punk, indie, and dance never happened, like nothing ever happened except this discovery of synthesisers. Hawkwind might sound like it never moved on, like a bunch of drongo, zombie hippers who stumbled through Huxley's Door and got stuck in the foyer, but "The 'Wind" went down a storm. Aspiring space cadets, or "windheads", are nothing if not faithful and longstanding, and somehow they delight in twidling and tinkering; the tickled pink sound of wee boys with a new toy. Zoo, vroom, whish, wheezing and whooing like a berserk Doctor Who soundtrack, the instruments were underpinned by vintage "progressive" guitar and bass licks; repetitive phrases with subtle (oh boy are they subtle) variations, you know.... Despite the slight musical similarity it would seem to be aeons from the original acid rock to late eighties acid dance. This youth tribe - emphasis on tribe rather than youth - was shrouded in regulation denim, black tour T-shirts, and strange smells. No clubby elitism with this horde. Robert Calvert, whose enigmatic manner contributed to Hawkwind's stage presence (like, gave them some) has sadly been attending the great gig in the sky since August 1988. Consequently Dave brock and the boys tend to hang out on a darkened stage these days and let the lasers provide the visuals. Again one is reminded of Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, and malevolent dustbins hell-bent on world domination. End-of-article Fun huh? and he didn't even mention the fire-eaters..... For the colonists, I dunno if you ever got Doctor Who over there. It was a sci-fi show which ran from 1962 to 1976 (or something like that). The hero was a galactic Time Lord who ran around Space and Time in a victorian Police Box (a phone/equipment room for policemen on the beat (walking) - they had them all over British cities - I think the reason the Time Machine (Tardis) was like this was that it disguised itself, but the mechanism got stuck - I know, I know, but at least at first it was a great, and really scary show, it only got silly later). Anyway, there were various galactic baddies like The Master, Cybermen, Ice warriors, and the baddies that really made it to legendary status - The Daleks). These things were like dustbins with a dome on top. They had three protuberances, one to see, one to grip (suckers or pincers) and one to blast anything that annoyed them (everything else really). They talked in a heavily vocoded voice (they were originally meant to be robots, but they later turned out to have an icky lifeform in them - they devolved because they got too used to their vehicles). They also badly wanted to "exterminate" everything else in the Universe. The "Doctor" spent a lot of his time stopping them excercising their xenophobia. Oy yeah, it was also the first TV show in the UK to have a synthesised theme tune. The flavour of the show was originally like the "Quatermass" films (if you've seen them). Later the Doctor's new "regenerations" (new actors) added a very quirky personality (played flute while the daleks burned things) and then things started to go to hell when the writers tried to turn it into an early version of Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy (I think Douglas Adams actually worked on it for a while). The last actors doing The Doctor were crap and the show was stopped. Nobody in the UK over 25 would fail to recognise a Dalek if they saw one though. There are still Doctor Who conventions where folks dress up as Daleks, play flutes, and wear woolen scarves a mile long..... Now that I think of it, the show was actually spaced-out and surreal enough to base a Hawkwind album on it....Doctor Brock and I'll bet Bainbridge always wanted to be a Dalek..... Anyway, enough havering. Still, are there any Hawkwind fans who ain't into SF? FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 14:21:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26919; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:21:02 EDT Message-Id: <9107261821.AA26919@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1940; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:21:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1170; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:21:13 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 13:22:00 CST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >For the colonists, I dunno if you ever got Doctor Who over there. > Geeezzzz, yes, it has a huge "cult" following over here. In fact, during most of the 80s, the show has probably been more popular in the US than UK. It plays on most public broadcast stations (PBS). From the figures I've heard out of Dallas' PBS station, the BBC probably makes around a million a year on just selling Dr. Who to the US. >Later the Doctor's new "regenerations" (new actors) >added a very quirky personality (played flute while the daleks burned >things) and then things started to go to hell when the writers tried to >turn it into an early version of Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy (I >think Douglas Adams actually worked on it for a while). The last actors >doing The Doctor were crap and the show was stopped. > Yes, Douglas Adams was a writer (editor too?) during the mid/late Tom Baker era. I disagree with your last line about crap. From my watching of it, I'm surprised the show ever survived the first two seasons (the third season was much better in my opinion). There seems to be a debate whether the show is dead (see newsgroup rec.tv.drwho for more info). Definitely, Dr. Who would make a good Hawkwind concept album. But so would Red Dwarf! ;-) Billy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 14:25:53 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27096; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:25:41 EDT Message-Id: <9107261825.AA27096@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1990; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:25:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1478; Fri, 26 Jul 91 14:25:55 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 14:21:11 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 26 Jul 1991 17:40:10 bst from Status: RO > >For the colonists, I dunno if you ever got Doctor Who over there. It was >a sci-fi show which ran from 1962 to 1976 (or something like that). The November 23,1963 - Current (Yes...It is STILL running) -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 15:06:09 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28482; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:06:00 EDT Message-Id: <9107261906.AA28482@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2083; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:06:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3010; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:06:15 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 15:04:53 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > November 23,1963 - Current (Yes...It is STILL running) It is on a bit of a hiatus at the moment, until the BBC can decide what to do with it. It lasted 26 years before it stopped a year or two ago. Rumors fly, but the latest is that the BBC is going to put it on hold for 5 years or so. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 15:14:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28794; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:14:37 EDT Message-Id: <9107261914.AA28794@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2140; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:14:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3359; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:14:45 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 15:12:42 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hello X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-Cc: -v@dip.eecs.umich.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hello, I'm new to this list so I don't really know what's been discussed. I have all of BOC's albums, but I don't know much about Hawkwind. A strange thing I came across recently is the book Transmaniacon by John Shirley. It is a science fiction story set in a future where there is a huge barrier surrounding the United States, and cities are at war with each other. The interesting thing about it is that it seems like the author sat back and said "Hmmm... how can I put as many BOC references as possible into one story?" It is full of the upside-down questionmark symbol, and references to Transmaniacon MC, 7 Screaming Diz-Busters, and many other songs. The dedication in the front says "Dedicated to the Blue Oyster Cult", so maybe that kept him from getting sued. ;-) -Ken From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 15:30:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29418; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:30:01 EDT Message-Id: <9107261930.AA29418@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2197; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:30:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3703; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:30:15 EDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1991 12:27:11 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Re: Hello X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >A strange thing I came across recently is the book Transmaniacon by >John Shirley..... Yow! THis is his first book, written while he was still singing in a band in Portland Oregon, and I've been looking for a copy for ages... Lucky you! (his band was pretty so-so...) scorch From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 15:52:41 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB00312; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:52:26 EDT Message-Id: <9107261952.AB00312@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2265; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:52:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4008; Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:52:06 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 13:49:52 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hello X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107261916.AA13919@dante>; from "kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU%UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Jul 26, 91 3:12 pm Status: RO Or maybe John Shirley is a maniacal, fanatical, worshipping fan whose sole purpose in writing the book was to immortalize our beloved BOC! :) Was it a good book? tbaker@nmsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------- That guy who listens to BOC and has a guitar pick used by the legendary Buck Dharma ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 16:34:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01953; Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:33:52 EDT Message-Id: <9107262033.AA01953@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2413; Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:33:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5556; Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:33:12 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 15:53:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 26 Jul 1991 15:04:53 -0400 from Status: RO >From what I heard, they are trying to get some independent company to take it. Maybe ITC or something... -me From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 19:43:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13544; Fri, 26 Jul 91 19:43:18 EDT Message-Id: <9107262343.AA13544@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2591; Fri, 26 Jul 91 19:43:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9983; Fri, 26 Jul 91 19:43:33 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 19:36:13 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Paul Sez-- Well, I'm more of a weird fiction person. Ditto!! (I was disheartened to see all that H.P. Lovecraft disinformation going around this list a while back.) Depends how you define "into." I do still read SF. ;-) Which disinformation are you refering to? I don't remember any. Wondering how he gets onto the fucking list, Paul Wondering, exactly what IS a "fucking list", and is it as interesting as it sounds? Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Jul 26 20:17:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15370; Fri, 26 Jul 91 20:17:42 EDT Message-Id: <9107270017.AA15370@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2665; Fri, 26 Jul 91 20:18:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0539; Fri, 26 Jul 91 20:17:58 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1991 20:18:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: sf? SF! To: Steve Swann Status: RO I still read SF (is that sci-fi? or something more rude!).. I just cant afford to BUY any new stuff, so i read the stuff on my overflowing bookshelves.. as for the 'fucking list', isnt that at fuck@sex.intercourse.oooh ? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) oh yeh, in regards to that review of Hawkwind in concert, with a reference to 'tons of drugs', isnt that slanderous? or do those sort of laws differ in the UK than from 'the colonies'? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Jul 27 22:23:32 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01596; Sat, 27 Jul 91 22:23:21 EDT Message-Id: <9107280223.AA01596@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3654; Sat, 27 Jul 91 22:23:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1492; Sat, 27 Jul 91 22:23:36 EDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1991 22:22:27 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Transmaniacon X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Since I posted about Transmaniacon a few days ago, I've received many requests from people who want my copy. I didn't realize it was so hard to find. It's a scruffy paperback that I found at a used book sale. It reads like a cheap R-rated movie; lots of violence everywhere and lots of colorful events that don't hang together at all. The protagonist has the transmaniacon device implanted in him, and this allows him to manipulate and exaggerate other people's emotions, cause riots, and generally easily escape anything by making anyone around him go crazy. Overly-powerful protagonist and female companion journey through a nasty future USA, causing general mayhem. I was not planning on selling it, but I might if someone makes me an offer that I can't refuse. ;-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Jul 28 00:43:11 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05166; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:43:03 EDT Message-Id: <9107280443.AA05166@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3708; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:43:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1637; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:43:13 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1991 14:38:57 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107271650.AA17995@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Jul 27, 91 12:51 pm Status: RO stephen swann says: > > Of course we do. Don't be silly. We're not uncivilized, like the > Australians or something. (Sorry, Stu) :-) > Hey! We think we're civilized, not like New Zealanders or something ;-) Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Postal : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Jul 28 00:49:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05225; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:49:45 EDT Message-Id: <9107280449.AA05225@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3756; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:49:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1769; Sun, 28 Jul 91 00:49:55 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1991 14:46:18 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9107261953.AA15897@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Jul 26, 91 8:44 pm Status: RO Paul Mather says: > > But your right about the Dalek's place in the UK psyche. I remember a > couple of years ago when someone ran for president of the student > union of Aston University (I think) as a Dalek. The Dalek had no > manifesto other than the standard manifesto all Daleks have, e.g. > going around shouting "Exterminate!" to everyone they meet and trying > to exterminate them. The Dalek won of course. (There was a serious > side to it---the Dalek could only go where wheelchair bound people > could, thus highlighting their plight in the university.) > Right -- I've grown up believing certain things about the universe: The sun always rises, I'll always get to the bank thirty seconds after it closes, politicians break their promises, etc, but most importantly *Daleks can't climb stairs*. Image my horror when I witnessed a Dalek climbing a flight of stairs in a recent episode of Dr. Who, using a special "levitation" unit... Is nothing sacred?! Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Postal : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Jul 28 13:18:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25091; Sun, 28 Jul 91 13:18:18 EDT Message-Id: <9107281718.AA25091@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3742; Sun, 28 Jul 91 12:37:26 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6713; Sun, 28 Jul 91 12:37:24 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1991 12:34:20 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Doctor Brock and the Daleks To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 28 Jul 1991 14:46:18 EST from Status: RO > *Daleks can't climb stairs*. Image my horror when I witnessed a Dalek > climbing a flight of stairs in a recent episode of Dr. Who, using a > special "levitation" unit... > > Is nothing sacred?! > >Stuart Probably not as bad as Sylvestor McCoy's horror... "Real Daleks don't climb stairs...they level the building." -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Jul 29 09:55:54 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB23204; Mon, 29 Jul 91 09:55:44 EDT Message-Id: <9107291355.AB23204@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4451; Mon, 29 Jul 91 09:55:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8912; Mon, 29 Jul 91 09:55:31 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1991 09:52:43 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: BOC LIVE!!! To: Steve Swann Status: RO Blue Oyster Cult will be playing this Wens. at Scallowags(spelling) in Monticello, NY. -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 2 11:37:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25708; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:37:42 EDT Message-Id: <9108021537.AA25708@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0845; Fri, 02 Aug 91 11:37:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6375; Fri, 02 Aug 91 11:37:47 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 16:08:43 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rob Turner Subject: Re: Hello X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <3906.9108021550@daphne.cs.hull.ac.uk> Status: RO I think on one of UFO's albums they had BOC on the list of credits, and in brackets put "the black bastard gang". I'm not into heavy rock anymore, only BOC, so I may be wrong, and I certainly can't remember which UFO album it was. If I'm right, why that particular phrase? Rob -- Rob Turner, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Hull, UK. Internet: rst@cs.hull.ac.uk Phone: (0482) 465212 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 2 11:49:11 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26050; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:49:01 EDT Message-Id: <9108021549.AA26050@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0901; Fri, 02 Aug 91 11:49:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6759; Fri, 02 Aug 91 11:49:01 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 16:16:53 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rob Turner Subject: BOC touring UK? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <3906.9108021550@daphne.cs.hull.ac.uk> Status: RO Does anyone know if BOC are touring the UK in the near future? When was the last time they toured Britain? I have seen them twice at the Manchester Apollo. The first was the "Revolution by Night" tour, and the second was a couple of years later ('87 I think). I remember the theatre being only about half full for the second concert. BOC never seem to have caught on in Britain in a big way. I recall reading magazine articles which suggested they were mega-stars in America, and pulled huge audiences with astonishing light shows. The light shows they put on in the concerts I saw were nothing spectacular. Pity. Have they been here since then? Rob -- Rob Turner, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Hull, UK. Internet: rst@cs.hull.ac.uk Phone: (0482) 465212 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 2 12:34:34 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB27736; Fri, 2 Aug 91 12:34:28 EDT Message-Id: <9108021634.AB27736@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1064; Fri, 02 Aug 91 12:34:03 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8969; Fri, 02 Aug 91 12:33:59 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 11:47:30 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW - Early Years Live EP To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Just got my copy of Hawkwind - The Early Years Live EP from Gema Records (Thanks paul). The tracks are: Silver Machine Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Born to Go The first three are from the Live '79 tour. The Silver Machine version is the one that is cut short on the Live '79 album, it's nice to hear it in full now. Does this appear anywhere else? Spirit of the Age is, as far as I can tell, off the '79 album. Urban Guerilla is from the b-side of Shot Down in the Night and is IMHO the best rendering of this song. Born to Go seems to be, as far as I can tell, the version from Greasy Truckers. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 2 12:40:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27906; Fri, 2 Aug 91 12:39:48 EDT Message-Id: <9108021639.AA27906@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1123; Fri, 02 Aug 91 12:39:59 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9327; Fri, 02 Aug 91 12:39:56 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1991 12:29:07 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Hello X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108021540.AA15810@UVM.EDU>; from "Rob Turner" at Aug 2, 91 4:08 pm Status: RO > I think on one of UFO's albums they had BOC on the list of credits, > and in brackets put "the black bastard gang". I'm not into heavy rock > anymore, only BOC, so I may be wrong, and I certainly can't remember > which UFO album it was. If I'm right, why that particular phrase? It was from "Strangers in the Night." I think my copy says only "The Black B Gang" (but, hey, I last read it maybe 7 or 8 years ago). I've always wondered, too, what the connection is. Not THAT woulda' been a hell of a show. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Crushed in the pit, nailed to the stage, I only suck the souls who are underage... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 8 21:11:20 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB25686; Thu, 8 Aug 91 21:11:06 EDT Message-Id: <9108090111.AB25686@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0382; Thu, 08 Aug 91 21:10:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7758; Thu, 08 Aug 91 21:10:34 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 12:44:23 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Lightshows. X-To: Hawkwind/BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Aug 2, 91 5:22 pm Status: RO stephen "ohm" swann writes: > As for their lightshows, I think they made such a big impression because > most American bands don't use interesting lightshows. I saw Hawkwind's > "bare minimum" lightshow on their most recent American tour, and it just > totally smoked anything I've ever seen at a rock concert. It turned the > concert into a total audio-visual experience, which I never gathered that > BOC ever did. [. . . . .] I'll second that. The Hawkwind lightshow is simply *awesome*, IMHO. The film sequences, the slides flashing up, the weird lights, whirling kaleidescopes, etc. and, hell, even an oil pattern generator at some points. I can't put it any better than Steve---it's a total audio-visual experience. You have to experience it to realise how lame everyone else is by comparison. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 8 21:15:23 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB25834; Thu, 8 Aug 91 21:15:17 EDT Message-Id: <9108090115.AB25834@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0431; Thu, 08 Aug 91 21:15:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7849; Thu, 08 Aug 91 21:12:06 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 14:53:35 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Something for you erstwhile colonials to check out... :-) X-To: Hawkwind/BOC List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Attention BOC rarity seekers, here's something for you to check out. I spotted this tucked away in this month's _Record Collector_ (I'm on a high now as I just got off the phone after having reserved a copy of Buck Dharma's _Flat Out_ on vinyl:). In an auction ad is listed this enigmatic little item: 3LPs RADIO SHOW, B. O. Cult Supergroups - A Night on the Road ('82 live rare) all M Bids (I've reproduced the typography exactly as in the advert.) Anyone know anything about this? Maybe someone would like to write and find out (or maybe bid for themselves)? The address is: Neil K. Stocker 355 East 86th Street Apt. 3C New York NY 10028 As ever... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 9 01:14:55 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01864; Fri, 9 Aug 91 01:14:45 EDT Message-Id: <9108090514.AA01864@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0617; Fri, 09 Aug 91 01:14:49 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1720; Fri, 09 Aug 91 01:14:46 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 01:16:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: Re: lightshows To: Steve Swann Status: RO I also second (or third) OHM Steve's opinion of the almighty Hawkwind's lightshow.. I was at the same show that Steve went to, and I was blown away... I was so hypnotized by the show, that I didn't even SEE Steve and he was only 20 feet away from me. Definitely more interesting and intense than most lightshows, even Pink Floyd and others who just show movies on their screens and wave a few lasers around. "A total audio-visual experience" says moderator Steve "I can't put it any better than Steve....You have to experience it to realise how lame everyone else is by comparison" says Paul Mather "wow...WOW...John, YOU get the drinks!" said Alv-mahn (thats me!) 5/17/91 - Alv From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 9 09:21:32 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB09893; Fri, 9 Aug 91 09:21:22 EDT Message-Id: <9108091321.AB09893@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1013; Fri, 09 Aug 91 09:21:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7442; Fri, 09 Aug 91 09:21:19 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 11:22:58 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind Discography updates... X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO > Paul Mather writes: > >One to add: > >19??, Robert Calvert and Amon Duul, _Die Losung_ [LP] > >(Die Losung? Aren't they from Wagner?) > Has anyone got this one? > >Another CD compilation to add: > >19?? Ironstrike [14 tracks] > [needs songlist] > I should have the songlist for this one somewhere. > >Hawkvideo: > >1989?, Hawkwind, Treworgey '89 [Taste] > [needs setlist] Orderable from Zephyr records in Liverpool > >19??, Hawkwind, Live Legends > [needs setlist] This is the "Bedrock" programme with one extra track. I thought I sent in a list for this one. > >(Did someone mention this previous one before?) > >19??, Hawkwind, 1982 Autumn Tour [VHS only, bootleg quality.] > [needs setlist] > >(Is this the same as the "Live at the Edinburgh Playhouse 1982" already >listed in the discography? The above video is available from Chaos >Incorporated [address on the back of any album sleeve :-)], priced >20 pounds sterling. Cheques/P.O.'s/I.M.O.'s payable to D. Brock.) > Yes, it's the Edinburgh Playhouse gig. Cheers FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 9 09:24:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09979; Fri, 9 Aug 91 09:24:16 EDT Message-Id: <9108091324.AA09979@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1062; Fri, 09 Aug 91 09:24:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7543; Fri, 09 Aug 91 09:21:47 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 11:36:32 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind Discography updates... X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO This is the Hawkwind Live Legends video playlist Hawkwind Video. Castle Music Pictures CMP 6005 Running time approx 55 mins Basically the "Bedrock" programme with more tracks. Song titles are as the "Palace Springs" album but not identical sound. Same tour though I'd hazard. Tracks: Lives of Great Men (Assault and Battery) Void of Golden Light (The Golden Void) Out of the Shadows Night of the Hawks Back in the Box Utopia (actually Arrival in Utopia) Ejection Damnation Alley Winds of Change From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 9 11:32:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12574; Fri, 9 Aug 91 11:32:28 EDT Message-Id: <9108091532.AA12574@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1258; Fri, 09 Aug 91 11:32:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2292; Fri, 09 Aug 91 11:32:27 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 09:33:31 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: lightshows X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108090515.AA12976@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Alvin M. Chan" at Aug 9, 91 1:16 am Status: RO > I also second (or third) OHM Steve's opinion of the almighty Hawkwind's > lightshow.. I was at the same show that Steve went to, and I was blown > away... I was so hypnotized by the show, that I didn't even SEE Steve > and he was only 20 feet away from me. Definitely more interesting and > intense than most lightshows, even Pink Floyd and others who just show > movies on their screens and wave a few lasers around. Now now, I'm not one to quibble every little point, but let's not go overboard here. Pink Floyd was the first band to integrate the lightshow into their live performances. The original concept was psychedelic experimentation with light and sound, the big rock band shit didn't surface until much later. The Floyd light dudes (forget the names, check out Schaffner's book A Saucerful Of Secrets) pioneered the effects Hawkwind uses today 25 years ago, particularly the oil pattern generator. All effects were splayed over band and audience, helping to create that hypnotizing atmosphere. Nowadays PF is a big BIG concert draw, but the stage effects are still among the best in the business. It's far more than movies and shining a couple of lasers, the level of choreography is astounding. Pure f**king theatre. I've never seen Hawkwind live, but hope to someday. But let's give credit where credit is due. -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 9 15:37:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23255; Fri, 9 Aug 91 15:37:11 EDT Message-Id: <9108091937.AA23255@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1632; Fri, 09 Aug 91 15:36:55 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0211; Fri, 09 Aug 91 15:36:51 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 14:43:52 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Yes, 1977 was when I first saw Hawkwind too. They toured as Hawkwind for the Spirit of the Age tour and then there were some arguments in the band. I'd understood that there was a lawsuit between factions led by Brock, and I think Simon House, who both claimed the "Hawkwind" name. One faction had a couple of gigs as "Kittyhawks" though a full tour was cancelled, and the other, Brock and Calvert with folks from Brock's "Sonic Assasins" band (Griffin, Bainbridge, and Swindells?) toured as "Hawklords" in 1988. They of course released the "25 years" album. I have a feeling that the Kittyhawks group included some of the members (Turner, Rudolph, Powell) who were kicked out in the 1976 purge. I'm not dead sure though and I'd be interested if anyone has the full story. I didn't see either Kittyhawks gig so I don't know the lineup for sure. Does anyone know the story on the current lineup? It looks certain that Langton and Wishart have left, and there are rumours about Bainbridge having gone. Naturally, given the Brixton gig, a number of fans here are having wet dreams at the thought of Blake returning as keysman. It'd be great, but I wouldn't rate the chances as high. You never know though..... FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Aug 12 05:13:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10518; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:13:11 EDT Message-Id: <9108120913.AA10518@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3124; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:13:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0910; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:13:11 EDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1991 10:10:06 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind Singles X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO I have the following Hawkwind 7 inch singles as surplus, all 2nd hand. If any collectors are interested in them, please get in touch by email. Urban Guerilla/ Brainbox Pollution Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla (live 79 version) - Pic Sleeve Who's Gonna Win the War/ Time Of (Pic Sleeve) Who's Gonna Win the War/ Nuclear Toy (Pic Sleeve) One of these is a Hawklords single and the other is the CND promo single. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Aug 12 05:32:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10953; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:32:28 EDT Message-Id: <9108120932.AA10953@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3185; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:32:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1360; Mon, 12 Aug 91 05:32:27 EDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1991 05:32:25 TZONE Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Niko Makila Subject: Re: lightshows X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108091533.AA11779@finsun.csc.fi>; from "Ron Rader" at Aug 9, 91 9:33 am Status: RO > Now now, I'm not one to quibble every little point, but let's not go > overboard here. Pink Floyd was the first band to integrate the > lightshow into their live performances. Neither am I, but let's recall that in the beginning Hawkwind had practically no money. Not always even for food. They were complaining that because they had no money for good synths and lights and such, bands like Pink Floyd got to do everything before them. //niko From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 08:04:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09807; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:04:50 EDT Message-Id: <9108141204.AA09807@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5660; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:04:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2985; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:04:43 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 07:51:44 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Astronomy To: Steve Swann Status: RO Morning all... Twofold message here: I just picked up Some Enchanted Eve, so that means that there will be a new GIF availiable soon. So just ask. 2) I was surprised to see Astronomy on it. I thought that was first released on Imaginos. Shows how silly I am. Anyway, what was the first album that Astronomy was on? Thanks... -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 08:12:02 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10342; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:11:53 EDT Message-Id: <9108141211.AA10342@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5751; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:11:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3328; Wed, 14 Aug 91 08:11:49 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 08:11:44 TZONE Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Niko Makila Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141206.AA07375@finsun.csc.fi>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Aug 14, 91 7:51 am Status: RO > Anyway, what was the first album that Astronomy was on? Thanks... Secret Treaties. Their 3rd album. //niko From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 10:52:32 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15370; Wed, 14 Aug 91 10:52:22 EDT Message-Id: <9108141452.AA15370@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6040; Wed, 14 Aug 91 10:52:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7600; Wed, 14 Aug 91 10:52:16 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 10:35:45 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Dan Newcombe's message of Wed, 14 Aug 1991 07:51:44 EDT <9108141202.AA01463@uu.psi.com> Status: RO I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 11:35:45 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16754; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:35:37 EDT Message-Id: <9108141535.AA16754@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6225; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:35:24 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0837; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:23:50 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 11:17:55 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141454.AA07621@UVM.EDU>; from "David Kuznick" at Aug 14, 91 10:35 am Status: RO First, if you read the credits closely on Imaginos, you'll see that Astronomy and Blue Oyster Cult were previously recorded. Seceret Treaties held Astronomy and -- I THINK -- their debut held the latter. However, segments of more than just these two songs refer directly to pieces they've completed previously ("Ladies, fish, and gentleman..."). > I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). The first three studio albums are bar far the "strangest" of their work...and sometimes the best. Tyranny and Mutation is an incredible album, especially considering the era in which it was produced. If you're only familiar with 'Reaper or Burning For You, you're in for a surprise, but in the long run, a good surprise. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 11:59:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17526; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:59:08 EDT Message-Id: <9108141559.AA17526@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6360; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:59:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2709; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:59:02 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 15:40:37 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rob Turner Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <7964.9108141635@daphne.cs.hull.ac.uk> Status: RO David Kuznick writes: > I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). > The early stuff is better than the more recent stuff. My first BOC album was Some Enchanted Evening, which really kicked (to use some modern terminology :-)). I then progressed backwards, to Agents of Fortune, Spectres, On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, Secret Treaties, Tyranny and Mutation, etc. I have Revolution By Night, Club Ninja and Imaginos, but they are not as good. For me, Mirrors was a strange album. I didn't think it was very good when I first heard it, but I got into it more and more, and I like it now, especially Sun Jester. Rob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 12:04:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17671; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:04:04 EDT Message-Id: <9108141604.AA17671@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6411; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:03:58 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2952; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:01:37 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 11:58:43 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Astronomy To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Aug 1991 11:17:55 EDT from Status: RO > The first three studio albums are bar far the "strangest" of > their work...and sometimes the best. Tyranny and Mutation is > an incredible album, especially considering the era in which > it was produced. If you're only familiar with 'Reaper or > Burning For You, you're in for a surprise, but in the long > run, a good surprise. I was surprised when I heard the old version of Astronomy, it reminded me of something that Pink Floyd would have done in their early years. Astronomy Domine ? ? -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 12:12:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18101; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:12:12 EDT Message-Id: <9108141612.AA18101@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6479; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:12:08 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3423; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:12:05 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 15:46:52 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rob Turner Subject: Current BOC line-up? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <7964.9108141635@daphne.cs.hull.ac.uk> Status: RO Who is in BOC now? As far as I'm aware, Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, Joe Bouchard are still there. From what I remember, Albert Bouchard left a few years ago after some disagreement, and I seem to recall Allen Lanier left soon after. Have these two come back? Another question (excuse me for being naiive). Why Donald Roeser/Buck Dharma? Do people have two names where he comes from. I always wondered about this... please enlighten me. Rob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 13:02:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19774; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:01:50 EDT Message-Id: <9108141701.AA19774@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6588; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:01:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5054; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:01:43 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 12:27:48 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141606.AA09675@UVM.EDU>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Aug 14, 91 11:58 am Status: RO > I was surprised when I heard the old version of Astronomy, it reminded > me of something that Pink Floyd would have done in their early years. > Astronomy Domine ? ? ...which was recently covered by VoiVod. I really like their remake of both tunes on Imaginos. 90's production can (sometimes) do a lot for a song. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 13:06:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19916; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:06:49 EDT Message-Id: <9108141706.AA19916@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6643; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:06:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5429; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:05:45 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 12:51:16 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: Astronomy To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Aug 1991 10:35:45 EDT from Status: RO > .................originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). "Astronomy" was originally on Secret Treaties, and the song called "Blue Oyster Cult" on Imaginos appears in a much different version as "Subhuman" on Tyranny & Mutation. (also OYFOOYK) I think these two albums are great! _HOT_ songs, tight playing, and sharp production. IMHO the first three albums were more musically consistent (similar sound all the way through) and less varied than the albums that came after Agents of Fortune. I don't know if anybody will agree with this, but I think BOC took their music and their myth more seriously in the early days, and started treating it all more lightly in the late '70s. jb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 13:17:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20392; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:17:35 EDT Message-Id: <9108141717.AA20392@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6721; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:17:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5902; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:12:40 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 13:00:29 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Donald Roeser/Buck Dharma X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Rob Turner's message of Wed, 14 Aug 1991 15:46:52 BST <9108141609.AA00657@uu.psi.com> Status: RO I seem to remember reading somewhere that he took the name Buck Dharma after becoming "enlightened" studying Zen or soemthing like that. David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 13:46:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21478; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:46:33 EDT Message-Id: <9108141746.AA21478@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6897; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:46:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7829; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:46:26 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 13:41:08 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141709.AA11047@UVM.EDU>; from "John Bowers" at Aug 14, 91 12:51 pm Status: RO > I think these two albums are great! _HOT_ songs, tight playing, > and sharp production. IMHO the first three albums were more > musically consistent (similar sound all the way through) and less > varied than the albums that came after Agents of Fortune. Very true! I often confuse the location of the songs of the first three albums (lesse...was Quicklime Girl on the debut or Tyranny? Diz-Busters? I never remember), which is nearly impossible to do after On Your Feet'. Tyranny, however, has some REALLY heavy-metal sections. That (often) the author of the song was more responsible for the vocals starting with AoF may have something to do with it. Maybe not. > I don't know if anybody will agree with this, but I think BOC took > their music and their myth more seriously in the early days, and > started treating it all more lightly in the late '70s. Certainly. On Your Feet' is full of examples. "Thank you for the whip. I'll love it and cherish it foreva'" (or whatever). Or how about the "L-U-C-I-F-E-R" speech? What's that all about? I think that once they crawled out from beneath their underground label/rock, they abandoned some of their mystery (though it certainly never came close to leaving entirely, now did it?). -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 13:55:50 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB21929; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:55:39 EDT Message-Id: <9108141755.AB21929@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6952; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:55:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8013; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:48:34 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 17:46:06 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >> I was surprised when I heard the old version of Astronomy, it reminded >I really like their remake of both tunes on Imaginos. 90's production can >(sometimes) do a lot for a song. I feel quite the opposite. With all of the extra music that they have and couldn't put on the album, I would have rather heard the other stuff than a remake. Some people have said that it fits in with the rest of the music: so do a lot of songs that weren't redone. By far, my favorite version of Astronomy is on SEE. I was disappointed to hear the ST version since I heard SEE first, but I grew to like it. The Imaginos version is ok, but I would have rather heard new stuff. The song BOC isn't quite just a remake of Subhuman, it's a little different, yet close enough. I don't really prefer one over the other. Certainly the version of the Subhuman on OYFOOYK is quite good because of all the extra guitar put in. Well, it's been about 2 or 3 months since I wrote BOC c/o Rockline for the missing lyrics. Rockline returned a letter saying they passed it on. I would think that even if BOC is out on the road a lot, there is someone back at "wherever they stay" that would handle simple mail. Hopefully, the long delay is a result of some poor sap typing the lyrics into a computer and not because it's buried beneath 5 years worth of mail. Tom P.S. Paul: I can't wait! My sister is coming from England and she's gonna have my copy of the Live '72 CD you described!!!!! (I hope) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:03:37 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22236; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:03:28 EDT Message-Id: <9108141803.AA22236@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7021; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:03:29 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8639; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:03:26 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 12:00:51 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Donald Roeser/Buck Dharma X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141719.AA19133@dante>; from "David Kuznick" at Aug 14, 91 1:00 pm Status: RO > I seem to remember reading somewhere that he took the name Buck Dharma > after becoming "enlightened" studying Zen or soemthing like that. > > David Kuznick > david@ait.com I thought that they were all given names by Sandy Pearlman. I think I heard this on RockLine one night durring a BOC interview. The only ones that seem to have stuck are Buck Dharma's, Sandy Pearlman, and Blue Oyster Cult. Sandy Pearl.... Blue Oyster.... Did these guys spend alot of time in Long John Silvers? *grin* ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:09:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22403; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:09:08 EDT Message-Id: <9108141809.AA22403@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7077; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:09:08 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8891; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:05:54 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 11:03:55 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > The first three studio albums are bar far the "strangest" of > their work...and sometimes the best. Among the best, certainly, but I think _Spectres_ takes top honers in the strange category. I mean, you get a cliched rocker song, you get motorcycles, you get vampires, you get a heart-wrenching lost love song, you get a woman with fireworks in her hair, and you get Godzilla, not to mention a laser show on the cover! You can't get much stranger than all that. --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:18:51 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22746; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:18:39 EDT Message-Id: <9108141818.AA22746@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7189; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:18:35 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9568; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:18:05 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 14:11:32 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: Current BOC line-up? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Aug 1991 12:09:02 MDT from Status: RO > are there any reprints of Dharma's _Flat_Out_ appearing in stores? I > used to have it but a *cough* friend SAT on it and broke it in two. You must mean Buck Dharma's _Flat Broke_. jb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:23:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22973; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:23:04 EDT Message-Id: <9108141823.AA22973@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7241; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:22:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9814; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:20:18 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 12:19:17 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: ftp'ing lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO What is the possibility of our Lyrics appearing on an ftp site for a short period of time? This way we could all get what we wanted and our humble moderators :) would not go crazy with all of our lyric requests. I would be willing to put up the BOC lyrics on an anonymous ftp site for weekend browsing... ------------------- Trevor Baker -- tbaker@nmsu.edu ---------------------- | A harvest of life, or harvest of death | One body of life, one body of death | And when you've gone and choked to death ----- * ----- With laughter and a little step | I'll prepare the quicklime, friend .. \ For your ripe and ready grave -- BLUE OYSTER CULT | | \_/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:28:38 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB23165; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:28:24 EDT Message-Id: <9108141828.AB23165@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7297; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:27:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0078; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:24:40 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 14:21:02 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141757.AA11863@UVM.EDU>; from "tom wilson" at Aug 14, 91 5:46 pm Status: RO > The Imaginos version is ok, but I would have rather > heard new stuff. I didn't realize that Astronomy perhaps kept newer music from being heard. I'm with you on that point. However, it is a song which, I think, begs for a certain amount of production quality (unlike, FI, Cities on Flame). The 90's version of Astronomy seems bigger. > I would > think that even if BOC is out on the road a lot, there is someone back at > "wherever they stay" that would handle simple mail. Hopefully, the long delay > is a result of some poor sap typing the lyrics into a computer and not because > it's buried beneath 5 years worth of mail. When I was in high school I wrote to the address on the back of SEE for the lyrics. Lo and behold, a month or 2 later, there they were. All the lyrics for the songs up TO FoUO. Most of them were in unformatted form, printed on a widecarriage with cheap bi-colored paper. But I did get them. And my mother did throw them out 2 months ago. Perhaps the address is still in business? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:33:03 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23373; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:32:44 EDT Message-Id: <9108141832.AA23373@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7346; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:32:38 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0171; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:25:35 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 11:25:03 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Clark F. Olson" Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, clarko@robotics.berkeley.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Just to clear this up; two people have incorrectly said that The Subhuman (which was reworked as the song Blue Oyster Cult) appear on Tyranny and Mutation when in fact in appeared on Secret Treaties. Secret Treaties is (in my opinion) Blue Oyster Cult's finest work, with their first two albums also in the top five. These were made before the band moved into a more melodic and less heavy mode, and they really kick. Clark Olson From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 14:38:18 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB23474; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:38:07 EDT Message-Id: <9108141838.AB23474@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7409; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:37:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0656; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:31:30 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 13:27:45 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Matt The Hoople Subject: Re: Current BOC line-up? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:09:02 -0600. <9108141817.AA26285@urbana.mcd.mot.com> Status: RO > Also, are there any reprints of Dharma's _Flat_Out_ appearing in stores? Only in used record stores. I picked a copy up last Saturday. :-) m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--And so he buried his feelings deep, ----------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Where the others couldn't tell, | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | The priest was sure he was meant for God, | +---------------------------+---If he hadn't come from Hell...------------[JD]+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 15:07:38 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24369; Wed, 14 Aug 91 15:07:25 EDT Message-Id: <9108141907.AA24369@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7536; Wed, 14 Aug 91 15:07:24 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2321; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:58:53 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 14:30:52 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141811.AA12257@UVM.EDU>; from "James Preston" at Aug 14, 91 11:03 am Status: RO > Among the best, certainly, but I think _Spectres_ takes top honers in the > strange category. I mean, you get a cliched rocker song, you get motorcycles, > you get vampires, you get a heart-wrenching lost love song, you get a woman > with fireworks in her hair, and you get Godzilla, not to mention a laser > show on the cover! You can't get much stranger than all that. I suppose, if you put it those terms, Agents of Fortune is worse. You've got a Tattoo Vampire, men in black, the grim reaper, a confessional, a subway-murder, and, hell, all the lyrics to Vera Gemini. Now that I think about it, all of their albums are like that. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 17:47:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00557; Wed, 14 Aug 91 17:47:19 EDT Message-Id: <9108142147.AA00557@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7925; Wed, 14 Aug 91 17:47:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9316; Wed, 14 Aug 91 17:47:13 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 21:38:53 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: lyrics X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I got the lyrics (BOC thru Mirrors) from the "address" back when Fire of Unknown Origin came out. Before writing to Rockline recently, I wrote to the old address. My letter came back stating something to the effect that no one is home. So save you effort on the old address. To the Flat Out wanters out there, save your effort on that too. Get someone on this list who has it to record it for you. It's ok but you may be disappointed if you spend a lot of time and effort looking for it. A little list server history trivia (Steve knows the real story, so he can correct me if I'm wrong): About a year ago (?), I posted to alt.rock-n-roll that I had lyrics to a bunch of groups, BOC being one of them. Well, I got lots of replies, mainly for stuff that I didn't have (even though I was explicit in listing what I had and didn't). It wasn't long after that that Steve began talking about making this list. I successfully acted busy and didn't help 8-). A few other people had the same lyrics I did, but everyone seemed to be missing a few songs that someone else had (which was strange). Unfortunately, absolutely no one has authentic lyrics to the albums past Mirrors. Other group discussions sprung up, a little too much in fact and had to be curbed back. I don't particularly like having one list for more than one group, but unless I can do better myself..... Also, if what I said above is the real story, then it's all my fault anyway 8-). Thanks for running this list Steve and Brian (I sound like I'm leaving....). Tom P.S. ~20 messages today (none Hawkwind!!! 8-). Who started it?! Argh! From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 19:17:44 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03065; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:17:37 EDT Message-Id: <9108142317.AA03065@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8131; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:17:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3168; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:17:33 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 18:15:22 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141559.AA22552@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Rob Turner" at Aug 14, 91 3:40 pm Status: RO Rob Turner writes: > > David Kuznick writes: > > I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of > > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). > > > > The early stuff is better than the more recent stuff. My first BOC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Huh? I must violently disagree! ;-) > album was Some Enchanted Evening, which really kicked (to use some > modern terminology :-)). I then progressed backwards, to Agents of > Fortune, Spectres, On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, Secret Treaties, > Tyranny and Mutation, etc. I have Revolution By Night, Club Ninja and > Imaginos, but they are not as good. For me, Mirrors was a strange > album. I didn't think it was very good when I first heard it, but I > got into it more and more, and I like it now, especially Sun Jester. > > Rob > I don't know why so many of you guys think the old stuff was the best! To me, I find that the older songs are really cool, but they just aren't as versatile as the newer albums (Cultosaurus Erectus -> to date). They really have some kickin' songs on these albums (and yes, I think Club Ninja rocks!). How 'bout some opinions from those who oppose/support this view? Andy -- Andrew J. Will ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 19:38:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03711; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:38:41 EDT Message-Id: <9108142338.AA03711@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8197; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:38:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3603; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:38:36 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 18:36:33 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Current BOC line-up? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141612.AA23691@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Rob Turner" at Aug 14, 91 3:46 pm Status: RO Rob Turner writes: > {Section deleted} > > Another question (excuse me for being naiive). Why Donald Roeser/Buck > Dharma? Do people have two names where he comes from. I always > wondered about this... please enlighten me. > > Rob > Each band member was given a nickname by Sandy Perlman (their producer for some albums and always a mentor and close friend of the band). It was sort of a joke but for some reason Donald Roeser kept his nickname, Buck Dharma alive. Sandy Perlman said there was no significance in the names. (I am giving you this information from Rockline after Imaginos came out, 1988?). Andy -- Andrew J. Will ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 19:43:03 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03816; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:42:54 EDT Message-Id: <9108142342.AA03816@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8250; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:42:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3783; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:42:50 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 18:41:02 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141536.AA20951@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Chip Hart" at Aug 14, 91 11:17 am Status: RO Chip Hart writes: > > First, if you read the credits closely on Imaginos, you'll see > that Astronomy and Blue Oyster Cult were previously recorded. > Seceret Treaties held Astronomy and -- I THINK -- their debut > held the latter. However, segments of more than just these ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually, Secret Treaties did have both these songs but the first version of Blue Oyster Cult was called "The Subhuman," a song which also appears on On Your Feet, or on Your Knees. There were, seemingly some changes in the melody and lyrics with the conversion of Subhuman into BOC. > two songs refer directly to pieces they've completed > previously ("Ladies, fish, and gentleman..."). > > > I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of > > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). > {Other stuff deleted} Andy -- Andrew J. Will ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 19:46:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03890; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:46:24 EDT Message-Id: <9108142346.AA03890@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8299; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:46:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3878; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:43:29 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 17:40:56 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: BOC (old vs. new) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Basically, I like ALL of BOC's stuff. IMHO I dont think that anyone can say that the old stuff is better than the new or vice versa. Look at it this way: in the older albums there is not alot of technology. If you turn it up really loud and listen to the piano on the ST Astronomy it sounds like someone recorded it on one of those little tape-recorders that Panasonic and sony used to make (the kind your grandparents have). So the old stuff is talent... no drum machines or synthesizers in there. Well, once technology made it into the music sceen alot of groups jumped in and started playing their computer music. I think BOC has done very well in keeping the amount of computer generated sounds from dominating their tunes. It seems to me that BOC has always regarded them as "backing" and "filler" material. Imaginos is a good example of this. So the new stuff is a little more technological and was not always agreed on by all members of the band, but its still BOC tunage. To be loved and im- mortilized... I would much rather be stranded on a desert island with a copy of Club Ninja than ANY other groups music... (My first choice would have to be SEE though). Just some fuel to the discussion :) Besides.... ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu Buck, Eric, anyone? Are you out there? If so, would you come to my house and play me a few? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 19:50:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04029; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:50:22 EDT Message-Id: <9108142350.AA04029@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8355; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:50:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4191; Wed, 14 Aug 91 19:49:20 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 18:47:05 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Current BOC line-up? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108141814.AA01783@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Aug 14, 91 12:09 pm Status: RO Trevor Baker writes: > > When I saw them a couple of months ago the members present were Buck, Eric, > Allen, and two other guys. Did I hear talk in this group about a new BOC > album or a Bouchard solo effort? (Methinks it was a dream). > Yes, right from Eric Bloom's lips: There will be an album in Spring of '92! This is what he said. This is firsthand information from the group. It was broadcast live before a concert here in Milwaukee. This is not a rumor. > ______ ___ ____ > / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker > / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu > Andy -- Andrew J. Will ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 20:38:35 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05502; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:38:30 EDT Message-Id: <9108150038.AA05502@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8458; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:38:29 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5096; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:38:26 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 20:36:25 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Kick out the Jams. To: Steve Swann Status: RO Is the song 'Kick out the Jams' about the group the Jams(Justified Ancients of MuMu) now called KLF? -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 14 20:53:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05914; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:53:27 EDT Message-Id: <9108150053.AA05914@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8514; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:53:25 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5340; Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:53:22 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 19:52:03 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Matt The Hoople Subject: Re: Kick out the Jams. X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 14 Aug 91 20:36:25 -0400. <9108150041.AA28437@urbana.mcd.mot.com> Status: RO > Is the song 'Kick out the Jams' about the group the Jams(Justified > Ancients of MuMu) now called KLF? Ummmm....no. (Since there are no smileys...) A jam is something that restrains, clogs, or blocks. Kicking out the jams means cuttin' loose! m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+-"One of the mammals' evolutionary advantages was+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | that they bore their young alive. As research | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | has conclusively shown, animals that bore their | +---------------------------+-young dead generally got nowhere." [SciMadeStpd]+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 10:40:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28077; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:40:43 EDT Message-Id: <9108151440.AA28077@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9389; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:40:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6539; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:36:32 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 09:33:28 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: lyrics X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108142149.AA16316@UVM.EDU>; from "tom wilson" at Aug 14, 91 9:38 pm Status: RO > To the Flat Out wanters out there, save your effort on that too. Get someone > on this list who has it to record it for you. It's ok but you may be > disappointed if you spend a lot of time and effort looking for it. I've got it and would certainly recommend it to anyone who likes Dharma. I've always enjoyed it quite a bit. The bassist on David Letterman, Will Lee, appears on the instrumental. The album is rather commercial by BOC's standards, though. > Unfortunately, absolutely > no one has authentic lyrics to the albums past Mirrors. ...and the newer albums are more difficult to understand. "Black&Silver", "Perfect Water," etc. Perhaps we could all attempt to collaborate.........? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 10:45:35 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28180; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:45:21 EDT Message-Id: <9108151445.AA28180@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9439; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:45:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6633; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:38:23 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 09:39:14 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108142320.AA17391@UVM.EDU>; from "Andrew James Will" at Aug 14, 91 6:15 pm Status: RO > I don't know why so many of you guys think the old stuff was the best! To > me, I find that the older songs are really cool, but they just aren't as > versatile as the newer albums (Cultosaurus Erectus -> to date). They really > have some kickin' songs on these albums (and yes, I think Club Ninja rocks!). > How 'bout some opinions from those who oppose/support this view? I think Perfect Water ('Ninja) and Shooting Shark (Revolution') are two of their best songs. Anyone ever see the video to Shooting Shark? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 10:49:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28299; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:49:22 EDT Message-Id: <9108151449.AA28299@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9491; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:49:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6728; Thu, 15 Aug 91 10:40:10 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 09:41:51 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108142344.AA17543@UVM.EDU>; from "Andrew James Will" at Aug 14, 91 6:41 pm Status: RO > > two songs refer directly to pieces they've completed > > previously ("Ladies, fish, and gentleman..."). > > > I beleive this was originally on Secret Treaties (second guess is > > > Tyranny and Mutation). Opinions on these albums anyone (I am more of > > > a Hawkwind fan but would like to start getting more Cult). There's also the "Seven, seven, seven," chorus from Les Invisibles (?), which pops up in, among other places, Perfect Water and, let me think, 7 Screaming Diz-Busters? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 11:37:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29979; Thu, 15 Aug 91 11:37:05 EDT Message-Id: <9108151537.AA29979@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9598; Thu, 15 Aug 91 11:37:04 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8624; Thu, 15 Aug 91 11:37:01 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 10:34:16 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Matt The Hoople Subject: Shooting Shark X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 15 Aug 91 09:39:14 -0400. <9108151449.AA02408@urbana.mcd.mot.com> Status: RO Chip Hart writes: > I think Perfect Water ('Ninja) and Shooting Shark > (Revolution') are two of their best songs. Anyone ever see > the video to Shooting Shark? They made a video? I've not seen it, but I'd like to--that song is fantastic. Something I've been wondering for a long time now is what exactly *is* a shooting shark? I've checked my Astronomy [:-)] and can't find any shark-ish constellations. A shooting star, perhaps? Or a Comet? m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Three times, I've sent you back from me, ------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Three times, my bowl's gone dry | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | And Three times, I've seen the shooting shark | +---------------------------+--- Lighting up the sky... --------------[BOC]--+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 12:07:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01045; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:07:23 EDT Message-Id: <9108151607.AA01045@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9736; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:07:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9787; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:07:14 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 10:04:24 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: lyrics X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108151442.AA12644@dante>; from "Chip Hart" at Aug 15, 91 9:33 am Status: RO > > Unfortunately, absolutely > > no one has authentic lyrics to the albums past Mirrors. > ...and the newer albums are more difficult to understand. > "Black&Silver", "Perfect Water," etc. > > Perhaps we could all attempt to collaborate.........? > > -- > Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com > |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. > ------------------------- Williston, Vermont > Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy Hey, lay em on me! A while ago a few of us were attempting to work out the Imaginos lyrics. I will try to clean them up here in a couple of days and make them available. ;) ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 12:14:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01370; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:13:50 EDT Message-Id: <9108151613.AA01370@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9792; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:13:48 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0094; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:13:44 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 10:12:47 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Shooting Shark X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108151540.AA14240@dante>; from "Matt The Hoople" at Aug 15, 91 10:34 am Status: RO > Something I've been wondering for a long time now is what exactly *is* a > shooting shark? I've checked my Astronomy [:-)] and can't find any shark-ish > constellations. A shooting star, perhaps? Or a Comet? > I've always heard of a shark as having a viscious loaning reputation. Like the loan sharks that will give you $1000 bucks and break your legs if you dont pay up. Whenever I hear this song I always think of some guy who is really down on his luck and has gone to the shark (sort of a Dr. Feelgood) to find happiness at a price. Incidentaly, I first heard this song at the same time Van Halen's _1984_ was becomming popular. I always felt that BOC had suffered a great injustice when _1984_ became such a hit and _Shooting_Shark_ wallowed. IMHO _Shooting_ Shark_ is a much better tune! (No offense to you VH lovers :) Trevor Baker is damn proud to be a Mudder! (Imaginos of Overdrive) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 12:24:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01758; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:23:58 EDT Message-Id: <9108151623.AA01758@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9850; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:23:58 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0522; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:23:55 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 12:20:27 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Shooting Shark X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > Anyone ever see the video to Shooting Shark? I saw it on MTV, but it was a while ago. MTV also had a guest visit by Eric Bloom around that time, talking about how Revolution by Night differed from previous albums. There are only a few things I remember from the video: Buck Dharma looking at the sky and seeing shooting stars; fighting with a woman; pacing up and down in a room contemplating use of a pistol; and going to see an old magic man in the woods who had a cauldron with a mushy slimy head thing in it. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 12:30:24 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01950; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:30:14 EDT Message-Id: <9108151630.AA01950@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9906; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:30:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0828; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:30:09 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 17:12:29 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rob Turner Subject: Re: Astronomy X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <23567.9108151645@daphne.cs.hull.ac.uk> Status: RO > I don't know why so many of you guys think the old stuff was the best! To > me, I find that the older songs are really cool, but they just aren't as > versatile as the newer albums (Cultosaurus Erectus -> to date). They really > have some kickin' songs on these albums (and yes, I think Club Ninja rocks!). > How 'bout some opinions from those who oppose/support this view? I think the distinction needs to be made clear between saying the newer songs are "no good" (which I don't think anyone is implying), and saying that the new songs are "not as good as the old ones". Overall, I think the consistency in producing good songs was greater in the old days, which is *not* to say that I don't like the newer stuff (I do). Of course *some* of the newer songs are better than *some* of the old songs, but we're talking averages here. Maybe it's just the natural inclination in every one of us to hark after the "good old days". I don't know. On a different note, I would like to add my voice to those whose favourite BOC tune is Astronomy on Some Enchanted Evening. The guitar solo at the end just kills me. Rob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 13:00:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02948; Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:00:04 EDT Message-Id: <9108151700.AA02948@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0010; Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:00:03 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2503; Thu, 15 Aug 91 12:59:58 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 12:04:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Shooting Shark X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108151540.AA25469@UVM.EDU>; from "Matt The Hoople" at Aug 15, 91 10:34 am Status: RO > Something I've been wondering for a long time now is what exactly *is* a > shooting shark? I've checked my Astronomy [:-)] and can't find any shark-ish > constellations. A shooting star, perhaps? Or a Comet? Well, according to the video, it's a shooting star with a shark's head. The video is interesting. They're playing in a bar while the storyline unfolds outside. I saw it once on MTV a LOONG time ago. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 13:11:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03442; Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:11:46 EDT Message-Id: <9108151711.AA03442@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0065; Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:11:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2887; Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:11:35 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 13:08:42 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: lyrics X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108151610.AA26135@UVM.EDU>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tbaker@NMSU.EDU" at Aug 15, 91 10:04 am Status: RO > Hey, lay em on me! A while ago a few of us were attempting to work out the > Imaginos lyrics. I will try to clean them up here in a couple of days and > make them available. ;) Well now, hey, I wasn't talking about me now...:-) I joined right as the Imaginos stuff arrived and never got it. Has anyone tried Revolution or Ninja? If not, I'll just pick some good tunes from each and you can laugh at my attempts. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 16:43:37 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB10875; Thu, 15 Aug 91 16:43:29 EDT Message-Id: <9108152043.AB10875@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0611; Thu, 15 Aug 91 16:42:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1509; Thu, 15 Aug 91 16:35:24 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 15:17:03 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Shooting Shark X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108151616.AA26181@UVM.EDU>; from "UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!tbaker@NMSU.EDU" at Aug 15, 91 10:12 am Status: RO > Incidentaly, I first heard this song at the same time Van Halen's _1984_ was > becomming popular. I always felt that BOC had suffered a great injustice > when _1984_ became such a hit and _Shooting_Shark_ wallowed. IMHO _Shooting_ > Shark_ is a much better tune! (No offense to you VH lovers :) I remember someone getting credit on the albums for "Additional Bass" or something like that. I think this may be the song to which they were referring. That sliding bass sound is incredible. Hey, now that I think about it, I realized that I own a REMIX of this tune. I can't remember what the differences are, but they're not much though the song is longer. Stronger instruments. Are there any other examples of interesting remixes or singles from BOC? Is this the only one? -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 15 14:16:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05764; Thu, 15 Aug 91 14:16:24 EDT Message-Id: <9108151816.AA05764@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0202; Thu, 15 Aug 91 14:16:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5171; Thu, 15 Aug 91 14:16:18 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 14:12:31 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: FTP SITE!!! To: Steve Swann Status: RO SITE: VACS.UWP.EDU DIRECTORIES: /pub/music There are discographies, lyrics, and all kinds of stuff. Even Hawkwind. share and enjoy... -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 16 13:06:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16019; Fri, 16 Aug 91 13:06:42 EDT Message-Id: <9108161706.AA16019@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2623; Fri, 16 Aug 91 13:06:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8766; Fri, 16 Aug 91 13:06:34 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1991 12:03:31 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Lester I. McCann" Subject: BOC story in Entertainment Weekly X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO In the August 16, 1991 issue of Entertainment Weekly (the one with Pee-Wee on the cover), on page 62, there's a story on band names that have umlauts in them. (Umlauts, we learn, are the two little dots over a letter, in particular over the "O" in Blue Oyster Cult.) The story credits Richard Meltzer with the "fad" of using umlauts in names, and recounts the story of how BOC was named. I quote: "Sometimes genius strikes at the least-expected moment. In 1971, musician and songwriter Sandy Perlman was trying to devise a new name for his band. Standing on a New York street corner with rock writer Richard Meltzer (who had been in an earlier incarnation of the group), Pearlman glanced into the window of a nearby restaurant and noticed that the menu included Blue Point oysters. "I said, 'Why don't we call it Blue Oyster Cult?'" he recalls. "And Richard said, 'And we'll add an umlaut over the o!' And I said, 'Great!'"" There's another quote from Perlman later in the story: "It was meant to bring all sorts of ambiguous implications to the name." Lester McCann mccann@plains.nodak.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 16 14:24:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18595; Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:24:04 EDT Message-Id: <9108161824.AA18595@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2795; Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:23:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0896; Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:20:59 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1991 12:17:47 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: BOC story in Entertainment Weekly X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108161708.AA18156@dante>; from "Lester I. McCann" at Aug 16, 91 12:03 pm Status: RO > There's another quote from Perlman later in the story: "It was meant to > bring all sorts of ambiguous implications to the name." > > Lester McCann > mccann@plains.nodak.edu And it does, I think that the ambiguity and mystery which surrounds BOC was what attracted me to them to begin with. It seemed that everyone else was singing about love and other mushy stuff. BOC walked in and brought a taste of the strange and mystical. Trevor (Imaginos in disguise) Baker From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Aug 19 17:25:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27474; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:25:44 EDT Message-Id: <9108192125.AA27474@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7828; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:26:05 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1392; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:20:45 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1991 17:14:28 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: BOC in Springfield, VA To: Steve Swann Status: RO Is anybody else on the list planning to see BOC at Zaxx in Springfield VA on August 27? (Next Tuesday.) jb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Aug 19 17:45:13 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28036; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:45:01 EDT Message-Id: <9108192145.AA28036@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7920; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:45:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2221; Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:45:29 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1991 17:44:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: BOC in western NY area To: Steve Swann Status: RO Blue Oyster Cult, August 25th, at the Country Lodge Located at Lime Lake, NY...about 40 minutes from Buffalo on rt 16. show starts 7:30, but 2 opening bands. - Alv From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 21 06:11:55 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB28129; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:11:31 EDT Message-Id: <9108211011.AB28129@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0349; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:12:04 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4858; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:11:54 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1991 06:04:50 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Hawkwind video X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: stephen swann's message of Tue, 20 Aug 1991 18:30:57 EDT <9108202229.AA00716@uu.psi.com> Status: RO > "good parts". :-) Besides, this is the only Hawkwind video I know of > that is available in NTSC format... Well, when I went to college, there was a little video store in Waltham, MA (USA) that carried Night(Time?) of the Hawks (? I keep thinking there is a Hawklords in the title...) in NTSC. I thought it was terrible! Audio and video. Couldn't believe it was really Hawkwind until they did (oh boy; it's 6am; please bear with me) the famous song from In Search of Space (Master of the Universe?) [I can't believe I don't remember the name of this song!] Anyway the lead singer, I assume, was Nik Turner since I seem to remember a sax being played at one point. The weird thing was his face(and body?) was covered in paint/makeup so I couldn't tell, and his voice sounded terrible. The sound was so bad, I didn't recognize any of the songs. BTW, just got Doremi Fasol Latido on CD for $14.99(US). This was one of the few studio albums that I didn't have on LP or CD. Typical early Hawkwind album. Sound quality was a bit shabby. Are all the early CD's not so great sound-wise? I guess I am spoiled; my earliest CD of thiers was Levitation (still my all-time fave, I think). David KUznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 21 13:38:47 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09456; Wed, 21 Aug 91 13:38:20 EDT Message-Id: <9108211738.AA09456@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1067; Wed, 21 Aug 91 13:38:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0334; Wed, 21 Aug 91 13:38:35 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1991 14:17:14 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: More rare and unusual stuff X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Hawkwind: Space Rock from London 1972 album. What ad?? OK, where can I order this? FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Aug 21 18:51:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19729; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:50:55 EDT Message-Id: <9108212250.AA19729@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1739; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:51:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3442; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:51:00 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1991 15:48:11 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Clark F. Olson" Subject: Flat Out X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Would somebody out there be willing to make me a tape of Buck Dharma's solo album Flat Out. I would gladly send you a check covering expenses. Clark Olson clarko@robotics.berkeley.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 23 08:34:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17692; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:34:20 EDT Message-Id: <9108231234.AA17692@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3942; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:34:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0545; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:30:26 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 09:45:15 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Flat Out X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108212257.AA06641@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Clark F. Olson" at Aug 21, 91 3:48 pm Status: RO > Would somebody out there be willing to make me a tape of Buck Dharma's > solo album Flat Out. I would gladly send you a check covering expenses. I can record my copy of the tape for you (I don't have the album anymore, just the recording). If you don't get any better offers, here's my address: Me 237 Maple St. #4 Burlington, VT 05401 Just send a tape. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Rock and Roll is the only relegion that never lets you down - Lemmy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 23 08:48:13 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB17915; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:47:53 EDT Message-Id: <9108231247.AB17915@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4007; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:48:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0971; Fri, 23 Aug 91 08:40:34 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 09:49:14 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: How to get those rare items... X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108220319.AA07432@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "stephen swann" at Aug 21, 91 11:13 pm Status: RO > 3.) Elf - Carolina County Ball [ Dio's original band ] I don't mean to be a dick, but I bought this album years ago and, simply, it sucks. Dio doing country music. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 23 11:00:24 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB21639; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:59:49 EDT Message-Id: <9108231459.AB21639@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4234; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:58:56 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6289; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:52:16 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1991 15:24:56 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind - Ironstrike CD To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Track listing for Hawkwind Ironstrike Compilation: Avanti Records ISTCD 004, 1989 Shot Down in the Night Motorway City Levitation Who's Gonna Win the War Dust of Time Psychosis Silver Machine(live) Urban Guerilla Master of the Universe Brainstorm Spirit of the Age Angels of Death Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Motorhead None of the tracks are new mixings according to Hawkfan. I don't have this one so if anyone sees it, I'd be very grateful if they'd pick one up for me and I'll arrange payment or a swap. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Aug 24 03:45:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19111; Sat, 24 Aug 91 03:45:32 EDT Message-Id: <9108240745.AA19111@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5133; Sat, 24 Aug 91 03:45:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6571; Sat, 24 Aug 91 03:45:44 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1991 13:52:26 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Bob Netherton Subject: Re: How to get those rare items... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > > 3.) Elf - Carolina County Ball [ Dio's original band ] > > I don't mean to be a dick, but I bought this album years ago > and, simply, it sucks. Dio doing country music. If anybody wants to get a sampling of pre-Rainbow Dio there is a CD import available that contains selections from all the Elf releases. It is called Gargantuan Elf and is about $20 at most import CD shops. If you don't have access to an import CD shop you may want to check out Spindle Records. I don't have the address nor have I ever used them. Given a few requests I will post the address. I don't remember Carolina Country Ball but some of the stuff they did sounds quite a bit like the first Rainbow album - more like Do You Close Your Eyes than Catch the Rainbow. Elf and Blackmore were a good fit. Elf needed a guitarist badly but otherwise were an OK band. I am not currently an owner of any Elf LP's or CD's so please do not take any of my comments as a recommendation, just trying to pass on information. Flames to Ronnie James. Bob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 08:43:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21223; Thu, 29 Aug 91 08:43:18 EDT Message-Id: <9108291243.AA21223@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2944; Thu, 29 Aug 91 08:40:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3534; Thu, 29 Aug 91 08:40:10 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 08:40:41 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Resent-From: "Dan Newcombe(Graphics Research Group)" Comments: Originally-From: SWELTON%ESOC.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU From: "Dan Newcombe(Graphics Research Group)" Subject: Re: Michael Moorcock To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 29 Aug 1991 07:58:00 EST Status: RO Pulled this off of ALLMUSIC -Dan ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>From: woj > >>>Michael Butterworth's "The Hawklords" features the band Hawkwind as >>>futuristic superheroes. No kidding. Michael Moorcock has a guest >>>spot. > >Moorcock did have a band at one point. The name was Deep Fix (they are >mentioned in one of the Hawklords books) with one album out in England >called "New Worlds Fair". It was a concept album set in the ruins of >a nuclear war. And the title is without an apostrophe. Moorcock had >been editor of New Worlds science fiction magazine when it was giving >birth to New Wave SF. > I actually saw Moorcock play with Hawkwind once and it was quite enjoyable, but he can't sing, listen to Deep Fixx. re. Books with music as the theme, how about Groupie, that seminal load of crap. I would definately suggest a book by Iain Banks but I've forgotten what it's called. Seb ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton › SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre › MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany › C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ ~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 10:03:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23654; Thu, 29 Aug 91 10:03:10 EDT Message-Id: <9108291403.AA23654@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3170; Thu, 29 Aug 91 10:00:10 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5918; Thu, 29 Aug 91 09:40:22 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 09:27:17 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Michael Moorcock X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: "Dan Newcombe(Graphics Research Group)"'s message of Thu, 29 Aug 1991 08:40:41 EDT <9108291240.AA16925@uu.psi.com> Status: RO Speaking of MM, does anyone besides me have the Hawkwind books; Time of the Hawklords (MM and Butterworth) and the one by Butterworth (can't think of the name offhand [Warriors on the Edge of Time?], but Elric is in this one as well as Hawkwind)? I heard that Butterworth also wrote a third Hawkwind book called Queens of Delerium, but I have never seen it. Re: MM singing ability. You don't need to listen to Deep Fixx to hear how bad he is; listen to Coded Languages from Sonic Attack. Of course Brock himself can sound pretty awful once in a while. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 13:18:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02199; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:18:07 EDT Message-Id: <9108291718.AA02199@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3625; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:15:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4762; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:14:57 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:49:42 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Time of the Hawklords (was Re: Michael Moorcock) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Dan Newcombe" at Aug 29, 91 8:40 am Status: RO Dan Newcombe writes: > Pulled this off of ALLMUSIC > -Dan > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > >>From: woj > > > >>>Michael Butterworth's "The Hawklords" features the band Hawkwind as > >>>futuristic superheroes. No kidding. Michael Moorcock has a guest > >>>spot. This book is _Time of the Hawklords_ and is by Michael Butterworth and Michael Moorcock (more of Butterworth than Moorcock). I've seen a second-hand copy listed in the current Dreamberry Wine list. If anyone wants me to buy it for them (for sale or trade) then let me know QUICK and I can phone an order for it. I already have a copy of this and the sequel _Queens of Deliria_ myself, so I'm just doing this as a service to any Hawkfan out there wanting a copy of the book. (No flames please about the content of the book; completists will collect anything.:) Do not build up your hopes; chances are the book will have gone already. Dreamberry Wine do occasionally get copies in from time to time though. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 13:30:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02771; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:30:27 EDT Message-Id: <9108291730.AA02771@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3679; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:27:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4855; Thu, 29 Aug 91 13:16:21 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 16:56:43 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Hawkwind - Ironstrike CD X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo" at Aug 23, 91 3:24 pm Status: RO Friends_of_Fernando_Poo writes: > Track listing for Hawkwind Ironstrike Compilation: [...] > I don't have this one so if anyone sees it, I'd be very grateful if they'd > pick one up for me and I'll arrange payment or a swap. I have seen this listed in the "Adrians" catalogue (which is where I spotted it when loosely compiling my "new things to add to the discography" posting). BTW: To the person requesting a tape copy of _Flat Out_: I have very recently obtained a copy of this (I haven't listened to it yet so I can't comment on the physical quality of the LP). I'd be willing to tape a copy for you in return for a tape copy of either _Tyranny and Mutation_ or _Mirrors_ (or both:). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 15:25:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07760; Thu, 29 Aug 91 15:24:40 EDT Message-Id: <9108291924.AA07760@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3955; Thu, 29 Aug 91 15:21:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0531; Thu, 29 Aug 91 15:21:31 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 18:18:05 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Michael Moorcock X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "David Kuznick" at Aug 29, 91 9:27 am Status: RO David Kuznick writes: > Speaking of MM, does anyone besides me have the Hawkwind books; Time > of the Hawklords (MM and Butterworth) and the one by Butterworth > (can't think of the name offhand [Warriors on the Edge of Time?], but > Elric is in this one as well as Hawkwind)? I heard that Butterworth > also wrote a third Hawkwind book called Queens of Delerium, but I have > never seen it. I have both "Hawklords" books. _Queens of Deliria_, the sequel to _Time of the Hawklords_ does indeed feature Elric as well as Hawkwind. The promised final installment in the series, _Ledge of Darkness_, has not been published as yet. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 29 16:23:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10713; Thu, 29 Aug 91 16:23:55 EDT Message-Id: <9108292023.AA10713@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4089; Thu, 29 Aug 91 16:21:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2790; Thu, 29 Aug 91 16:20:51 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1991 13:21:53 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: taping albums X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Paul Mather writes: >I'd be willing to >tape a copy for you in return for a tape copy of either _Tyranny and >Mutation_ or _Mirrors_ (or both:). I've just got to jump in quickly here: I've alreadly taped _Flat Out_ for the person in question. I was willing to do it because _Flat Out_ is out of print and therefore unobtainable by "legitimate" means. I want to voice a very strong objection to the request for tapes of the above two albums, and strongly urge no one on this list to provide Mr. Mather with such tapes. Those albums are most definitely available for purchase on CD, are most likely available on tape (I don't buy tapes, so I don't know for sure), and could probably be found on LP in a used record store. Therefore, there is no legitimate reason for Mr. Mather not to purchase them himself. --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 30 11:43:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00550; Fri, 30 Aug 91 11:43:06 EDT Message-Id: <9108301543.AA00550@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5107; Fri, 30 Aug 91 11:40:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8863; Fri, 30 Aug 91 11:40:07 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 15:54:23 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: taping albums X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "James Preston" at Aug 29, 91 1:21 pm Status: RO James Preston writes: > Paul Mather writes: > >I'd be willing to > >tape a copy for you in return for a tape copy of either _Tyranny and > >Mutation_ or _Mirrors_ (or both:). > > I've just got to jump in quickly here: > > I've alreadly taped _Flat Out_ for the person in question. > > I was willing to do it because _Flat Out_ is out of print and therefore > unobtainable by "legitimate" means. But unless I'm mistaken, you didn't seek permission from the copyright holder before you made your illegal copy? And I didn't hear you leaping to flame oHM Steve for typing up the Hawkwind Lyric Book which is available, in print, from Chaos Incorporated. (I'm not flaming Steve; the lyric book is hard to obtain in the USA.) > I want to voice a very strong objection to the request for tapes of the > above two albums, and strongly urge no one on this list to provide Mr. > Mather with such tapes. Those albums are most definitely available for > purchase on CD, are most likely available on tape (I don't buy tapes, so > I don't know for sure), and could probably be found on LP in a used record > store. Therefore, there is no legitimate reason for Mr. Mather not to > purchase them himself. Ok, cut me some slack James and come down off your soapbox. I don't know if you noticed the ".uk" suffix in my e-mail address; it does have some bearing on the matter. Believe it or not, BOC are not very big at all in the UK. Probably the only thing they're memorable for as far as the public are concerned over here is "The Reaper" and then I doubt whether many of todays listeners would have heard of it. You may have seen oHM Steve's references towards the difficulty with which Hawkwind material can be obtained in the USA. Well, the same is true of BOC here in the UK. In fact, it would be fairly safe to say that they're only ever available on import (if then). (Anyone remember my references to my Greek import of _Some Enchanted Evening_ a couple of weeks back?) So please James, come out of your cultural isolation and realise that not everyone lives in the USA. Believe it or not James, I have been searching HARD for _Tyranny and Mutation_ and _Mirrors_ on VINYL for several months now, to no avail. It is very easy for you to say they "could probably be found on LP in a used record store"---you try it! They've all long since been deleted in the UK. And please, don't tell me to buy a CD copy (even IF I can find one); if I came across, say, an 8-track copy of the albums, would you seriously expect me to buy an 8-track player just to listen to them? The thing that amuses me most about your posting is that you thought it ok to tape _Flat Out_ just because it was deleted. Barring the fact that I've already pointed out that the albums I'm looking for are deleted, I've actually found it FAR EASIER to buy a copy of _Flat Out_ than either of the two albums I mentioned. (My acquisition of _Flat Out_ was a spinoff from my search for _T&M_ and _Mirrors_.) I AM determined to get copies of the two albums on vinyl, be it sooner or later. I just thought it would be nice to be able to listen to them in the interim until my search is completed. But I guess if something is worth it, it's worth waiting for. However, James, your hypocrisy appalls me. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 30 14:15:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07430; Fri, 30 Aug 91 14:15:12 EDT Message-Id: <9108301815.AA07430@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5516; Fri, 30 Aug 91 14:12:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6020; Fri, 30 Aug 91 14:08:39 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 13:43:41 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: taping albums X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hello, In regard to the debate between James and Paul re copyrights and availability of recorded material, I think both individuals have made some very good points. Yes, we should not "bootleg", but I don't think my financial obligation to band and record company includes hunting all over creation for rare recordings. Would anyone be willing to buy and ship recordings, for those who can't obtain them, in return for payment and/or trade? This would be something I would be willing to participate in. I would love to get a copy of Hawkwind's "Chronicle of the Black Sword", but I have never even SEEN it. Ditto for Mike Moorcock and the Deep Fix. Any comments or ideas? Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Aug 30 16:48:27 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13653; Fri, 30 Aug 91 16:48:23 EDT Message-Id: <9108302048.AA13653@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5714; Fri, 30 Aug 91 16:45:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9566; Fri, 30 Aug 91 16:45:18 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1991 13:44:39 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Re: Time of the Hawklords (was Re: Michael Moorcock) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO While I already have _Time Of The Hawklords_, I'd really like to find a copy of _Queens Of Deleria_. I take it the 3rd book was never written? btw: Moorcock disavows any involvent with _Time Of The Hawklords_ other than a few basic ideas..... believe it if you want. scorch From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Aug 31 17:06:20 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21371; Sat, 31 Aug 91 17:05:58 EDT Message-Id: <9108312105.AA21371@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6095; Sat, 31 Aug 91 17:03:02 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8050; Sat, 31 Aug 91 17:02:51 EDT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1991 14:02:09 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: taping albums X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Paul Mather writes: >But unless I'm mistaken, you didn't seek permission from the copyright >holder before you made your illegal copy? >Ok, cut me some slack James and come down off your soapbox. I don't >know if you noticed the ".uk" suffix in my e-mail address; it does >have some bearing on the matter. Believe it or not, BOC are not very >big at all in the UK. . . >You may have seen oHM Steve's references towards the difficulty with >which Hawkwind material can be obtained in the USA. Well, the same is >true of BOC here in the UK. . . >So please James, come out of your cultural isolation and realise that >not everyone lives in the USA. >Believe it or not James, I have been searching HARD for _Tyranny and >Mutation_ and _Mirrors_ on VINYL for several months now, to no avail. >It is very easy for you to say they "could probably be found on LP in >a used record store"---you try it! They've all long since been >deleted in the UK. And please, don't tell me to buy a CD copy (even >IF I can find one); if I came across, say, an 8-track copy of the >albums, would you seriously expect me to buy an 8-track player just to >listen to them? >I AM determined to get copies of the two albums on vinyl, be it sooner >or later. I just thought it would be nice to be able to listen to >them in the interim until my search is completed. But I guess if >something is worth it, it's worth waiting for. However, James, your >hypocrisy appalls me. I trust I captured the important points? You seem to be really touchy on the subject of world awareness. I'm sorry if my level of sophistication disappoints you, but people can only base their judgements on their own experience. Let me address the charge of hypocrisy first: The fact is that _Flat Out_ is out of print. That means that it is unavailable in any form as a new recording. That leaves only two possible sources: 1) A used record store; 2) a recording from someone else's record. The important point is that NEITHER of those two sources sends any revenue back to the producers or artists of the record. So on that point, they are equivalent, which is why I didn't (and still don't) have any qualms about making a tape for someone else (given that I don't make any money from it myself). There is no hypocrisy since, in my view, it is the deprivation of revenue that makes it wrong to tape a record that one could have otherwise purchased. My taping of _Flat Out_ incurred no such deprivation; your taping of BOC albums does. You can certainly disagree with my view, but you cannot call my hypocritical unless I violate my own previously stated views. I will also acknowledge that what I did was illegal, in the strict sense. But again, there is no hypocrisy, since I have never advocated strict adherence to the law under all circumstances. Sources for the BOC albums in question certainly do exist. That no sources exist in your locality is surely irrelevant to someone with your broad world view. So if you acquire a recording of someone else's album in lieu of buying the album yourself, you are depriving the copyright holders of revenue. That you intended to purchase the albums in addition to getting the tapes was not stated in your original posting, and therefore I certainly had no way of knowing it. One can only go by what is stated, and what was stated was that you wanted illegal copies of some albums. >From your comment about buying CDs, I assume that you don't have a CD player. But I can, in fact, expect you to buy the CD version of the albums, if that is the only way you can find them. I would have no problem with your doing that, and then having a friend with a CD player make you a tape of your own CD. That is a fair use of the product, since you paid the money for it, and are not using the tape to avoid paying something more (and assuming that you don't turn around and sell the CD). Before you object to this, just think about it: If, as you state, you are willing to pay money for a legitimate tape of the product, why should it matter that there is an extra step involved? Does it bother you that the CD costs more than a tape would? That's too bad; no one said that life is always fair. But lack of fairness does not give you the right to deprive someone else of their legitimate revenue. This should be the end of this discussion. No one is going to change anyone's mind about this. I simply voiced my opinion and urged others on this list to not engage in something I consider to be wrong. If Mr. Mather has no ethical problems with taping albums, then it shouldn't matter that my personal ethics are different from his. And certainly anything he works out with others on this list is none of my business. --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Sep 1 02:06:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04546; Sun, 1 Sep 91 02:05:46 EDT Message-Id: <9109010605.AA04546@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6289; Sun, 01 Sep 91 02:03:03 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1853; Sun, 01 Sep 91 02:02:55 EDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1991 16:01:06 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: A pleasant reminder X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108311910.AA04159@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Aug 31, 91 3:08 pm Status: R stephen swann says: > > Anyone violating these rules will be deleted. This is just a friendly :-) ^^^^^^^ Does this mean if we bend the rules you'll just backspace over us Steve ;-) Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Postal : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Sep 1 15:26:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20638; Sun, 1 Sep 91 15:25:43 EDT Message-Id: <9109011925.AA20638@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6562; Sun, 01 Sep 91 15:22:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5583; Sun, 01 Sep 91 15:22:35 EDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1991 20:21:34 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Time of the Hawklords (was Re: Michael Moorcock) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "The Lion of Symmetry" at Aug 30, 91 1:44 pm Status: R > While I already have _Time Of The Hawklords_, I'd really like > to find a copy of _Queens Of Deleria_. I'll keep an eye out for you. I got my copy of _QoD_ from the same place I spotted the copy of _TotH_. > I take it the 3rd book was never written? Well there have been several conflicting rumours. The best I can fathom is that it has been written---at least partially---but not published. > btw: Moorcock disavows any involvent with _Time Of The Hawklords_ > other than a few basic ideas..... believe it if you want. Butterworth pretty much states this explicitly in the acknowledgements to _Queens of Deliria_. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Sep 1 15:38:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20929; Sun, 1 Sep 91 15:38:21 EDT Message-Id: <9109011938.AA20929@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6621; Sun, 01 Sep 91 15:35:29 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5891; Sun, 01 Sep 91 15:35:20 EDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1991 20:35:37 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: More discography additions... X-To: Hawkwind/BOC List To: Steve Swann Status: R Hello people, Yet more stuff to pile into the Hawkwind Discography of Doom. Credit for most of this information goes to Mick Lyons, a rabid Nik Turner fan :) (and proprietor of Kadath Press, the UK's finest dealer in Arkham House and esoteric and unusual weird fiction, horror, and just plain old weirdness I've yet had the pleasure to encounter [Just thought I'd get that unsolicited plug in for him in return for the info. :-)]). Incidentally, who is actually looking after the maintenance of the HDoD? Is it you Steve? If nobody seems to be doing it, I hereby volunteer my services. I wouldn't want to think that all this obscure information is simply vanishing into the aether. But without further ado, please ladies and gentlemen (and James Preston;) let me present to you to the latest deluge of Hawkwind Discography of Doom entries... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. ----- Hawkwind ----- Discography ----- Of ----- Doom ----- Update ----- Nik Turner's Inner City Unit LPs: 1980? Pass Out Space Invaders Watching the Grass Grow Polyethylene Solitary Ashtray OB City Muse Brainstorm (Man) Cybernetic Love Cars Eat With Autoface Fallout Nuclear Waste Master of the Universe Amyl Nitrate 1981? Maximum Effect Bones of Elvis Man of Steel Beer, Baccy, Bingo & Benedorm Virgin Love Two Worlds In The Mood (Nude) Epitaph to the Hippies Sid's Song Night Life Remember (Walking in the Sand: Margate Beach) Skinheads in Leningrad Metal 1983? Punkadelic [Reprinted a couple of tracks off the now deleted _Pass Out_] Watching the Grass Grow Space Invaders Polyethylene Cars Eat With Autoface God Disco Disco Tango Gas Money Alright on the Flight Blue Rinse Haggard Robot Bildeborg 1983? New Anatomy Young Girls Convoy Beyond the Stars Help Sharks Birdland Lonesome Train Forbidden Planet Stop the City Doctor Strange Wildhunt 1985? The President's Tapes Stonehenge, Who Knows? President's Tape Newspeak Europeville Fungus Among Us ICU World of LSD Bigfoot Zodiac 1985 Blood and Bone [12"] Blood and Bone Hurricane Fighter Plane Brand New Cadillac Paint Your Windows White Little Brown Egg Inner City Unit Tape Bootlegs: 1981 Stonehenge [Recorded 21/6/81, excellent quality] [Needs songlist] 1985 Manchester Cloud Nine Club [Video exists, high quality bootleg] [Needs songlist] Nik Turner's Sphynx: 1978 Unreleased Studio Material, November 1978 [Cassette release] On the Edge Sonic Savages Devas Holographic Lover Waves Chronological Crime Aggro Otters Autumn Desire Morning Ginger Atlantis [Correct track listing for _Xitintoday_ is:] 1986 Xitintoday The Awakening (Life on Venus) The Pyramid Spell The Hall of Double Truth Anubis Thoth Horus Isis & Nepthys Osiris God Rock (The Awakening) Nik Turner also plays on a few tracks on the Big Amongst Sheep LP _Terminal Velocity_. Miscellaneous: Hawkwind bootleg (tape): 1973 Detroit [Recorded 28/11/73, poor quality, actually abysmal :-)] [Needs songlist] Other info: Church of Hawkwind LP had a free colour booklet. Roadhawks originally had a free poster (of the cover) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 2 00:10:53 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02469; Mon, 2 Sep 91 00:10:36 EDT Message-Id: <9109020410.AA02469@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6910; Mon, 02 Sep 91 00:07:43 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0372; Mon, 02 Sep 91 00:07:34 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1991 10:12:00 +1000 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "RUSH,B.O.C,JOURNEY,QUEENSRYCHE,YES,TULL,LEDZEP,VANDERGRAFF, KING CRIMSON" Subject: taping of albumc X-To: boc-l@ubvm.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: R Just one point... If people order the albums, maybe the record companies will print another batch and those with back orders will finally get them! Paul, if you think it's bad in England - try living in Australia (The Great Cultural Wasteland). "I'm sorry their entire catalogue is deleted" - Luckily I found a good importer! - for those who don't know: there exists a great lyric server with BOC lyrics: vacs.uwp.edu (in ascii too!) If I recall correctly the albums covered were: _Secret Treaties _Tyranny & Mutation _Agents of Fortune _Blue Oyster Cult adam B=NGC1275{cyber}===C-a-r-d-(-s-)==C-a-r-r-y-i-n-g==F-a-n-b-o-y-==={elf}NCC1701=B |"I had a dream of the open water 6| Cerebus! Eightball! Sandman! >MANGA!< | A I was swimming away out to sea 4| Rush! Grateful Dead! Marillion! Yes! I | So deep I could never touch bottom 7| KW Jeter! OS Card! Gemmell! Tanith Lee!| R What a fool I used to be" - Rush 3| //AMIGA | bETA 0mega bETA:`we suck' F | >c9036973@wombat.newcastle.edu.au< 8| \X/unbound | O==][========> :-) deadcp | T{goth}m-e-m-b-e-r--o-f--t-h-e--O-r-d-e-r--o-f--I-n-f-u-s--F-r-e-a-k-u-s{indie}F From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 3 11:00:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19892; Tue, 3 Sep 91 10:59:51 EDT Message-Id: <9109031459.AA19892@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8330; Tue, 03 Sep 91 10:56:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1425; Tue, 03 Sep 91 10:53:25 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 10:04:14 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: Time of the Hawklords X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9108302049.AA02103@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "The Lion of Symmetry" at Aug 30, 91 1:44 pm Status: RO > btw: Moorcock disavows any involvent with _Time Of The Hawklords_ > other than a few basic ideas..... believe it if you want. I believe it. The book is frigging atrocious, and I pissed and moaned about it a long time ago when the list was still Imaginative Rock. Boring and silly; of course I read it because MM was featured in HUGE letters across the cover. Someone (Scott?) chastised me for slamming the book last time, saying it really wasn't meant to be seriously and should be read as a parody. Maybe, but it's bad parody at best. The best parts were with Lemmy, and the pseudo-technology (orgone accumulators etc.). Other than that it's early-70's hippie/dippie schlock, and best left on the shelf. Have a nice day! :) Ron 'Mr. Smiles' Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 3 21:59:35 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22915; Tue, 3 Sep 91 21:59:24 EDT Message-Id: <9109040159.AA22915@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8588; Tue, 03 Sep 91 21:56:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5294; Tue, 03 Sep 91 21:56:19 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 21:58:35 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO A Tower Records just opened in my town, so I now have local access to Hawkwind. I have all of BOC's albums, but I have to admit that this Tower Records has the first bunch of Hawkwind CDs that I've seen. So, I'd be interested in opinions about what is a good Hawkwind album to start with... one that is a really great album and/or one that is fairly representative of the band's music (hopefully these two aren't mutually exclusive!). Thanks. -Ken kalex@eecs.umich.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 3 22:27:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23595; Tue, 3 Sep 91 22:27:13 EDT Message-Id: <9109040227.AA23595@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8664; Tue, 03 Sep 91 22:24:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6083; Tue, 03 Sep 91 22:24:08 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1991 21:28:00 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Re: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO There is no such thing as representative Hawkwind. They have gone through several phases which are TOTALLY different. Early blues, acid rock, pre-punk, early electronic, electronic heavy metal, etc. Most people are going to tell you to get Levitation first. I recently addicted someone with Quark, Strangeness and Charm. I started with Sonic Attack. Xenon Codex or Chronicles of the Black Sword are my #1 and #2 picks for a new person though. My big advice is stay away from their albums 1976 or before. I like them, but I doubt they would make you into a Hawkwind convert especially coming from a BOC background. Billy Barron billy@unt.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 5 14:25:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03991; Thu, 5 Sep 91 14:25:02 EDT Message-Id: <9109051825.AA03991@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1854; Thu, 05 Sep 91 14:22:05 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2602; Thu, 05 Sep 91 14:08:34 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1991 11:01:27 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Flicknife label catalog? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Does anyone know (especially any of you in the UK) if Flicknife has a catalog available? Do they do direct order? For those who might not know, Flicknife is an 'independent' label that many Hawkwind and Hawkwind members albums have appeared on, also some other good bands like Underground Zer0 (check 'em out, especially if you like the lead track from Space Bandits...), they also have a track on Friends And Relations 3. scorch From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 6 15:04:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20876; Fri, 6 Sep 91 15:03:50 EDT Message-Id: <9109061903.AA20876@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3736; Fri, 06 Sep 91 15:00:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0197; Fri, 06 Sep 91 15:00:23 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 17:32:21 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: Hawkwind/BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" at Sep 3, 91 9:28 pm Status: RO Billy writes: > There is no such thing as representative Hawkwind. They have gone through > several phases which are TOTALLY different. Early blues, acid rock, pre-punk, > early electronic, electronic heavy metal, etc. Most people are going to tell > you to get Levitation first. Oh well, I guess I'm not most people then. :-) I know a number of prominent listpersons first cut their Hawkwind teeth on _Levitation_ but I personally wouldn't recommend it as a starting place. Sure enough it has nice production but I think all the studio albums have nice, or at least adequate production for my tastes. It has a couple of stalwart Hawkwind faves on it but, well, I don't think it's *varied* enough for that all-important introductory album and I prefer different renditions of those tracks from elsewhere anyway. (I find the version of "Levitation" to be somewhat lightweight for my tastes and much prefer the version on _Stonehenge_, and similarly, prefer the live version of "Motorway City" on _Live '79_.) I think perhaps a much more varied album stylistically speaking is probably _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_. You get the lot on there; atmospheric synth pieces ("Fable Of A Failed Race", "Iron Dream", "The Forge Of Vulcan"), quirky (almost "poppy":) tunes ("Quark, Strangeness and Charm", "Days Of The Underground"), bruising heavy rockers ("Hassan I Sahba") and rockers ("Damnation Alley") and weird synth/electro-ish stuff ("Spirit Of The Age"). Of course, all of these have the inimitable Hawkwind stamp on them. The only problem I forsee is that some people might not take to Bob Calvert's vocals. Bob has a quite unique vocal style which, personally, I have come to appreciate and enjoy immensely. Bob started off as a poet with Hawkwind and the poet's art of emphasis and delivery shine through in his vocals. IMHO he is probably a more distinctive vocalist than Dave Brock. > I recently addicted someone with Quark, > Strangeness and Charm. I started with Sonic Attack. Xenon Codex or Chronicles > of the Black Sword are my #1 and #2 picks for a new person though. Of course, _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ is just one possible choice. (I chose it mainly because it's from roughly the same era as _Levitation_.) I would agree with _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ (especially for Moorcock/fantasy fans), but not with _Xenon Codex_ but this is just personal preference. _CotBS_ is perhaps uniformly "heavier" and more guitar oriented than some of their mid-period material and is not too representative of their current studio output (in which synths saturate and dominate). Instead of _XC_ I'd strongly recommend the new live album, _Palace Springs_. It has the advantage that you get a nice mix of both new and old stuff. (The version of "Void of Golden Light" [i.e. "The Golden Void" but which is actually mislabelled as "Lives Of Great Men" on the album. Gee, it sure gets complicated, doesn't it? :)] is worth buying the album for alone, IMHO.) > > My big advice is stay away from their albums 1976 or before. I like them, but I > doubt they would make you into a Hawkwind convert especially coming from a BOC > background. OHM Steve's alter-ego, Brian, once posted a nice list of introductory Hawkwind from the point of view of a BOC fan. Maybe the original poster should check that out too. I'd disagree about staying away from the pre-1976 stuff. If you're a BOC fan into early BOC then I can't see why you'd be uncomfortable with the early albums. I can see the point maybe with _Hawkwind_ or _In Search Of Space_ but not the stuff afterwards (the official stuff, that is). Someone who is really into BOC's _On Your Feet Or On Your Knees_ should go a bundle on albums such as _Space Ritual_ or _Doremi Fasol Latido_. 1974's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill_ and 1975's _Warrior On The Edge Of Time_, IMHO, are perhaps more accessible than some of the later Hawkwind stuff, e.g. _Church of Hawkwind_ and _Sonic Attack_. And I couldn't end this without enthusing about trying out some of Hawkwind's excellent live albums. There have been a lot of complaints from listpeople about atrocious quality but that is only fair when directed towards "independent" releases. The official releases all have good production, certainly the equal of the production on the BOC live albums. So, here are a few recommendations for someone new to Hawkwind. I've tried to be as unbiased as possible but remember that I'm a fan and so my personal preferences are bound to creep through. :-) Studio: 1977 Quark, Strangeness and Charm 1985 The Chronicle of the Black Sword 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido And of course, although you won't be able to buy this at your Tower Records (which I guess is some sort of mainstream chain), add this one pretty high up: 1982 Choose Your Masques Live: 1985 Live Chronicles 1979 Live '79 1984 Stonehenge (This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic) 1991 Palace Springs [as recommended right at the start :)] And again, although you won't be able to buy this album at your Tower Records, there is the *classic*: 1973 Space Ritual I could go on but I shouldn't recommend too many for a beginner. If you like BOC then you should at least be able to *listen* to the ones I've suggested. (_Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ and more so _Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music_ are perhaps a little more laid back than BOC, especially early BOC.) Personally I tend to veer more towards the live stuff. Of course, if the original poster stated what sort of stuff interested them, I could tailor my suggestions much better. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 6 18:32:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01621; Fri, 6 Sep 91 18:31:34 EDT Message-Id: <9109062231.AA01621@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4168; Fri, 06 Sep 91 18:28:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2506; Fri, 06 Sep 91 18:28:32 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 14:57:41 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Re: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well, while I'm not really a "prominent listperson", I do count myself as being one of those in the know about Hawkwind... (stay tuned for new edition of the Discography of Doom!) My first HW album was Warrior, and it remains one of my favorites. I was in a little record shop with a friend who'd just moved to that town, and there was a huge promo poster for Hall Of The Mountain Grill on the wall (I'd gladly kill to have that poster now!), it had just come out. They didn't have any left, but there was a copy of Warrior which I picked up and soon fell in love with. I then searched out (in approximate order) Space Ritual, In Search Of Space, Mountain Grill, Doremi Faso Latido, and Hawkwind. This doesn't mean that these are what I'd reccomend to someone just trying to get into Hawkwind however. I find that Levitation is one of the albums I listen to the least, along with Xenon Codex, Astounding Sounds Amazing Music, Doremi Fasol Latido, and Church Of Hawkwind. The albums I listen to most are Hawklords, Quark, Warrior, Choose Your Masques, Space Bandits, and Space Ritual. As has been stated, there isn't really 1 representative album, so I usually try to judge what the person likes, and select an album accordingly. I find it's hard to go wrong with Quark (I love Calvert!), follow that up with Hawklords - this works well with those who like progressive rock and more new-wave types. Warriors works for those who like old-school progressive rock, heavy on the Mellotrons (old King Crimson, etc.) More metal-liking people might take well to Sonic Attack, while any fantasy/SF buff should jump on Black Sword/Live Chronicles. You just need to tailor the introductory album to the tastes of the new listener, after they get their ears wet with something that's somewhat similar to what they're used to, then they can go exploring... :^) Best yet, take 'em to a show! scorch From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Sep 7 00:28:46 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12102; Sat, 7 Sep 91 00:28:25 EDT Message-Id: <9109070428.AA12102@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4451; Sat, 07 Sep 91 00:25:24 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7912; Sat, 07 Sep 91 00:25:14 EDT Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1991 14:23:42 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109062231.AA09268@lynx>; from "The Lion of Symmetry" at Sep 6, 91 2:57 pm Status: RO According to The Lion of Symmetry: > > My first HW album was Warrior, and it remains one of my favorites. > I was in a little record shop with a friend who'd just moved to > that town, and there was a huge promo poster for Hall Of The Mountain > Grill on the wall (I'd gladly kill to have that poster now!), it had I have that poster (picked it up at a campus poster sale) but what I *really* want is one of the cover of Quark, Strangeness and Charm. Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Postal : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Sep 7 12:20:37 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26816; Sat, 7 Sep 91 12:20:26 EDT Message-Id: <9109071620.AA26816@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4751; Sat, 07 Sep 91 12:17:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3172; Sat, 07 Sep 91 12:17:07 EDT Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1991 17:17:49 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Hawkwind for beginners X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "The Lion of Symmetry" at Sep 6, 91 2:57 pm Status: RO The Lion of Symmetry writes: > My first HW album was Warrior, and it remains one of my favorites. > I was in a little record shop with a friend who'd just moved to > that town, and there was a huge promo poster for Hall Of The Mountain > Grill on the wall (I'd gladly kill to have that poster now!) I have a copy of that huge poster on my wall. Should I be keeping an eye out for hit-men from now on I wonder? :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 10 13:43:49 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25349; Tue, 10 Sep 91 13:43:22 EDT Message-Id: <9109101743.AA25349@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2254; Tue, 10 Sep 91 13:42:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0228; Tue, 10 Sep 91 13:13:27 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 17:52:52 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW - Early Daze To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO I've just read of a HW album "Early Daze". This apparently ain't one of the Acid Daze reruns of the Anthology Triple. Does anyone have any details or a track listing? FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 11 08:35:37 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29069; Wed, 11 Sep 91 08:35:11 EDT Message-Id: <9109111235.AA29069@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3692; Wed, 11 Sep 91 08:35:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8755; Wed, 11 Sep 91 08:32:42 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1991 13:15:48 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind info. To: Steve Swann Status: RO Is someone still doing the discography stuff? It'd be a shame to see all the info typed in here get lost. I'm still doing lyrics work on and off. A lot of our stuff has mistakes in it. I'll let the list know when I've completed the changes to my lists. I've added a few more tracks too. Now some info from Brian Tawn's Hawkfan #19: Brian is working on another Hawkwind Book to be published in Italy during 1991. It's got lyrics, a discography, photos, and other stuff. Brock will do a 7" to be released with the book. Keep in touch with Brian Tawn to get this I expect. The "for sale: section lists: Ray Brooks, 195 Elm Low Road, Wisbech, Cambs, England has HW singles Kerb Crawler, Urban Guerilla, Back on the Streets Nick Claxton, 74 St. Michaels Road, Coverntry, England has Space Ritual, X in Search of Space (with Hawkwind Log), Live at the Bottom Line, Silver Machine and reissues of Warrior on the Edge of Time, Text of Festival, Hall of the Mountain Grill, Quark, and Zones Steven Dutch, 28 Drake Hall, Daisy Hill, Westhoughton, Bolton, Lancs, England has Xitintoday (Turner's Sphynx), Greasy Truckers, Lord of Light 7" Bob Paterson, 204 Bermondsey Wall East, London, England has Master of The Universe reissue and the Jettisoundz Stonehenge '84 video Richard Roddick, 289 Lordship Road, Stoke Newington, London, England has HW Zoon EP (2 pounds), Hawkwind 1st album pic disc (5 pounds), In Search of Space with folding sleeve and log (15 pounds), Doremi with printed inner and poster (15 pounds), Space Ritual with folded sleeve (10 pounds), Warrior with shield sleeve (10 pounds), Roadhawks with gatefold & sticker (5 pounds), Levitation on blue vinyl (10 pounds), Hall of the Mountain Grill (5 pounds) US fans are recommended to contact Brian Perera, Rock Cave, 8127 Chase Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90045 for CD's cassettes, Videos & t-shirts. There's lots more in this section with unspecified HW rarities for sale, loads of HW related items and books by Moorcock etc. Get in touch with Briand Tawn for HW 19 if you`re after this. His address is 29 Cordon Street Wisbech Cambs PE13 2LW England From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 18 19:27:39 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17943; Wed, 18 Sep 91 19:27:33 EDT Message-Id: <9109182327.AA17943@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7049; Wed, 18 Sep 91 19:27:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9349; Tue, 17 Sep 91 08:29:54 EDT Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 10:27:00 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Want any HW stuff? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO There's a Record Fair here on Saturday. Since I'll be looking for rare Hawkwind stuff anyway, and I'll probably come across stuff that I already have, if folks send me their wants then I'll try to look out for 'em. Let me know by email. My current list of Hawkwind spares is: 12" --- Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Warrior on the Edge of Time Freq (Bob Calvert) 7" -- Last Chance EP Lord of The Hornets/Dodgem Dude/Hurry on Sundown (Pic Sleeve) Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution Motorhead/Valium Ten (Pic sleeve & insert) Shot Down in the Night/Urban guerilla (Pic Sleeve) Who's Gonna Win The War?/Time of (Hawklords/CND Pic Sleeve) Who's Gonna Win The War?/Nuclear Toy (Pic Sleeve) FoFP From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 19 15:52:57 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07343; Thu, 19 Sep 91 15:52:54 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16727; Thu, 19 Sep 91 15:52:37 EDT Date: Thu, 19 Sep 91 15:52:37 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9109191952.AA16727@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Elric Status: RO Hi people, Could someone who has the video of the Chronicle of the Black Sword tour tell me if the performance is the same one that was put on vinyl for Live Chronicles? And a question of the "yeah, keep dreaming" variety: has anyone ever seen the CotBS video in NTSC format? And lastly, if it's not available in NTSC format, does anybody want to go in with me on sharing the cost of purchasing a PAL copy, and getting it converted to NTSC by one of those professional video-conversion houses? We might get a better deal, if we get it done in bulk... - yHM :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 13 14:24:13 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11376; Fri, 13 Sep 91 14:23:52 EDT Message-Id: <9109131823.AA11376@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8722; Fri, 13 Sep 91 14:23:52 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9231; Fri, 13 Sep 91 13:42:29 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1991 11:55:20 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Mike J. Fuller" Subject: Re: Susie X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO >>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 1991 20:10:47 EDT, stephen swann said: Stephen> I was flipping through some sci-fi/horror mags recently at the Stephen> local bookstore, and I noted that there was a story by John Shirley Stephen> (the guy who wrote _Transmaniacon_, which is apparently laden with Stephen> unsubtle BOC imagery. For example, the title :-) Anyway, the story Stephen> (which I didn't have the time to read, or the money to purchase), was Stephen> called "Just Like Susy". I don't think I need to explain why that Stephen> caught my attention.... Actually, this gives me an opportunity to bring up something that I have been meaning to ask since I signed up for this list (only a few weeks ago, so you'll have to excuse me if this has been discussed before). I have noticed the name "Susy" appear in several BOC songs (Before the Kiss, Astronomy, and Dominance and Submission, for example). So just who the heck is Susy???? /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mike J. Fuller | Internet: mikef@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | "I hate | |----------------| mikef@zippysun.math.uakron.edu | quotations." | |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| Bitnet: r3mjf1@akronvm | -- R.W. Emerson | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Sep 21 15:30:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05947; Sat, 21 Sep 91 15:30:20 EDT Message-Id: <9109211930.AA05947@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2326; Sat, 21 Sep 91 15:30:27 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1259; Sat, 21 Sep 91 15:30:26 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1991 12:23:05 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Roger Leroux Subject: Re: found this on sci.military To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 20 Sep 1991 00:17:00 EST from Status: RO Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters was the title of the album, and for the record, it was by Robert Calvert (who died in August of 90 :-( ). Of course, those of us who are Hawkwind afficionados will know his work with the band. :-) I'm one of the lucky few who has a mint copy of the first pressing, complete with the lyrics bound into the gatefold. No, I'm not interested in selling it (or any of my other huge Hawkwind collection). Roger From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 23 08:31:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04637; Mon, 23 Sep 91 08:31:00 EDT Message-Id: <9109231231.AA04637@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3390; Mon, 23 Sep 91 08:31:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8719; Mon, 23 Sep 91 08:31:06 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1991 12:15:58 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: More Hawkwind stuff To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO There was a record fair here last Saturday. I managed to pick up a gatefold "Lucky Lief and the Longships", a copy of "Doremi" with the inner sleeve (so I now have a spare copy if anyone is interested), a portugese pic sleeve Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution, a tape of a 1988 Hammersmith gig, yet another CD collection called "Masters of the Universe" (not the usual one), The Acid Daze collection with booklet and the "Die Losung" Amon Duul album featuring Calvert. I also picked up a "High Tide" album (Simon House and Pete Pavli are in the group) - they sound a lot like Nektaar. Other stuff I noticed around: A few copies of Crystal Machine (priced at 20 pounds) One copy of Moorcock's Deep Fix. Several copies of "X in Search of Space" with the openout cover and log (15-25) One copy of Space Ritual in openout sleeve. Probably about half the Hawkwind singles in one place or another. I have a spare of the Silver Machine in original "Monkey" cover if anyone wants it. It's not in great nick though, you'd only want it for a collection. Other news I have is that the fabled "BBC Transcription Disc - live 1973" has been put onto CD in the US. A guy called Ande Tucker at Vinyl Overload (address in Record Collector) has some. It's a limited edition of 500 and there will be CD's of the 1970 and 1985 BBC Radio sessions to come. FoFP P.S. The same Record Fair is coming back here on November 30th. I'll pick up stuff for folks if they let me know in advance with a max price. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 19:41:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08876; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:41:02 EDT Message-Id: <9109242341.AA08876@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4762; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:41:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5520; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:41:05 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:46:54 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Chronicles Live LP To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Someone was asking if the Live Chronicles album and the Video were from the same source. The answer is yes, they're both from the two concerts on 3/12/85 and 4/12/85 at London's Hammersmith Odeon. The edits are slightly different as are the tracklists. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 19:45:47 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB09006; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:45:44 EDT Message-Id: <9109242345.AB09006@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4875; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:45:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5818; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:45:19 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 19:42:57 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: GIF Files To: Steve Swann Status: RO Okay... As far as GIF's go. I am gonna place them on anonymous FTP on WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU I do not have the space on my account to keep them. The should be there in a week or so. -Dan º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º |Dan Newcombe | Bitnet: º Internet: | Prodigy | ºPO BOX 3-1150 º KK4D@MARISTB | KK4D@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU º CJSJ08B º |Marist College | STDN@MARISTB º STDN@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU |-=-=-=-=-=| ºPoughkeepsie, NYº STDN@MARIST | STDN@VM.MARIST.EDU º## O O ##º | 12601| GRDN@MARIST º GRDN@VM.MARIST.EDU |# \____/ #| º-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=º |'The sun is in the east, even though the day is done... Pink | º two suns in the sunset, could it be the human race is run...' Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 19:55:58 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09421; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:55:51 EDT Message-Id: <9109242355.AA09421@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4949; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:55:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6051; Tue, 24 Sep 91 19:55:56 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 19:55:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: V104N55K%UBVMS.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: punctuation To: Steve Swann Status: RO yo: What does the upside-down-pseudo question mark mean (appears on all of the BOC albums I think)? Thanks! Dave From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 20:39:02 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10771; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:38:56 EDT Message-Id: <9109250038.AA10771@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5098; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:39:02 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7039; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:39:01 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 00:37:19 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: BOC symbol X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO It's the similar to the sickle symbol of Saturn, Roman god of harvest. Or in other terms, the reaper (as in don't fear...). I don't know why it was chosen though. It seems to have been chosen long before the famous song appeared. Tom From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 20:51:46 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11169; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:51:42 EDT Message-Id: <9109250051.AA11169@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5161; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:51:47 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7211; Tue, 24 Sep 91 20:51:46 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 20:53:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Return of Glorp & his Faithful Sidekick Grungy Subject: the BOC symbol is for Kronos To: Steve Swann Status: RO I believe the BOC symbol is for "Kronos" the god of time...(greek?) o o ooooooooo o o ooo crude, but effective. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 22:02:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13245; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:02:03 EDT Message-Id: <9109250202.AA13245@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5373; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:02:08 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8201; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:02:07 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 21:01:00 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: The story of Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos To: Steve Swann Status: RO The following are the linear notes from the CD mentioned in my last post. I've been very wrong about the Agents of Chaos. Steve, if you can, you might add this into the files you distribute. My notes are in []s. "EARTHED TO THE GROUND" was DAVE BROCK's first solo LP, a rather surprising fact considering that he had been a recording artist with Hawkwind & the Hawklords for over fifteen years. The album, catalogue number SHARP 016, was released on 27th April 1984 and it featured 9 songs: Earthed to the ground/ Assassination/ Green finned demon/ Spirits-Sweet obsession/ Oscillations/ Machine dream/ Now is the winter of our discontent/ On the case. It came in a full colour picture sleeve designed by John Coulthart. Although it id [sic] not enter the Top 100, it reached number 21 in the Indies Charts [what are these?] and received very good reviews. Dave recorded it in his own studio using mainly synths and keyboards and therefore the final product did not sound like Hawkwind at all. Many fans expected a "Hawkwind" album and were surprised by what they heard, to the satisfication of Dave I suspected. [marketing BS - I think his solo stuff sounds a LOT like HW though not exactly the same] All the songs were written by Dave and none of them, with the exception of "Green finned demon" had been released before. "Green finned demon" was on the B-side of "Night of the Hawks" (FLEP 104) released 6 weeks earlier by Hawkwind. [Night of the Hawks - the Earth Ritual Preview is NOT a single as it has four songs. I might add that I think the HW version of "Green finned demon" is much better.] It is a shame that Dave was not able,at the time, to do any live gags to promote the album as it is still the best way to reach the fans, a fact proved later with the release of "The Agents of Chaos"LP. [the spacing errors in this paragraph and later are in the original] " THE AGENTS OF CHAOS " album was Dave Brock'second [*sigh*] LP to be commercially released. All the songs were written by Dave and Crum, a friend of Dave's who had been writing with him for a few years.The record came out on the 4th of April 1988 and the catalogue number was SHARP 042 (SHARP 042 C for the cassette). The 11 tracks were: Hi-tec [sic] cities/A day/In the office/Hades deep/Words of a song-Heads/Nocturne/Wastelands of sleep/Empty dreams/Into the realms/Mountain in the sky. The artwork was done by Nick Wing. [and quite good I might add] It went into Metal Charts (do not ask why) at number 3 and in the Indie Charts at number 20 ,a much better performance than his first album due to the fact that the band played some live dates throughout the UK. [wait a sec 21 to 20 is "much better".. hmmm...] Although the Brock/Crum partnership wrote all the songs for this album, the idea behind the Agents of Chaos is that many different people will be involved in live and studio work. For his first gags ,Dave used Tubilah Dog, [of who I have only two songs and really want an album of... if one exists] along with Crum, as the Agents of Chaos. The first date was on November 14th 1988 at the Kaleidoscope in Birmingham. On November 16th, it was very surprising to see the Electric Ballroom nearly full for their first London date. This CD is a compilation of both albums. We felt that the songs were strong enough for a CD and 2 albums at the normal CD price is a good offer. We hope to do many more of those "double" CD's. So keep in touch !. Billy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 22:09:17 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13351; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:09:09 EDT Message-Id: <9109250209.AA13351@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5443; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:09:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8387; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:09:08 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 02:06:37 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: Saturn=Kronos X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Just checked my Latin dictionary. Saturn is Latin, Kronos is Greek. Saturn was the Roman god of agriculture and civilization. I would think that Kronos (kron=chron) would be identified with time, but I can't verify it. I guess I'm getting too picky. Tom From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Sep 24 22:32:33 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14151; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:32:27 EDT Message-Id: <9109250232.AA14151@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5518; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:32:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8629; Tue, 24 Sep 91 22:32:30 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1991 22:30:56 -0400 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: kalex%ZIP.EECS.UMICH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Saturn=Kronos X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Just checked my Latin dictionary. Saturn is Latin, Kronos is Greek. Saturn was the Roman god of agriculture and civilization. I would think that Kronos (kron=chron) would be identified with time, but I can't verify it. I guess I'm getting too picky. Agriculture <==> harvest <==> cycles of death and rebirth <==> time. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 03:02:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21551; Wed, 25 Sep 91 03:02:26 EDT Message-Id: <9109250702.AA21551@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5811; Wed, 25 Sep 91 03:02:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0901; Wed, 25 Sep 91 03:02:29 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 02:01:51 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: BOC Symbol X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > > Just checked my Latin dictionary. Saturn is Latin, Kronos is Greek. Saturn > was the Roman god of agriculture and civilization. I would think that > Kronos (kron=chron) would be identified with time, but I can't verify it. > I guess I'm getting too picky. > > > Agriculture <==> harvest <==> cycles of death and rebirth <==> time. > Whether or not this is the origin, I am not sure, but as far as I know, the symbol is called the Astronomer's Staff and is an astrology symbol from the Middle Ages. As we all know, some BOC songs deal with occultic (I don't mean Satanic, although as far as I'm concerned, the former springs from the latter) themes. Also, I know that some extremists who write books against every contemporary musician say this symbol stands for the Antichrist or the questioning of Jesus' crucifixion/(resurrection also?). I don't want to believe the last explanation, because I think BOC is too cool to be Satanic. Oh well, enough of me for now. Andy -- ******************************************************************************* Andrew J. Will // University of Wisconsin -- Milwaukee // ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him may not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 ******************************************************************************* From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 04:58:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25198; Wed, 25 Sep 91 04:58:28 EDT Message-Id: <9109250858.AA25198@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5912; Wed, 25 Sep 91 04:58:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1520; Wed, 25 Sep 91 04:58:31 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 10:51:12 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Discographies To: Steve Swann Status: RO Steve, what is the exact format of the command to get these discographies, I've tried different ways with no success. Could you tell me. Also there is a pretty up to date one of Iron Maiden (by me) available from the discography archives at datta@vacs.uwp.edu. Cheers Seb ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton › SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre › MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany › C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Serco Space Ltd, Sunbury-on-Thames, England, Centre of the Universe ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ ~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 08:45:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29524; Wed, 25 Sep 91 08:45:50 EDT Message-Id: <9109251245.AA29524@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6077; Wed, 25 Sep 91 08:45:55 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2605; Wed, 25 Sep 91 08:45:54 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 11:38:18 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Intro to BOC-L X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Re the Hawkwind lyrics and discography. I've added quite a bit of stuff into the last discography I got (rev 16) - I'll offfer this to Paul soon, just a bit more stuff to add. I'm doing a major revision of all the Hawkwind lyrics. A friend and I have checked all we had against the album (studio preferred) versions. Even the official lyric book is significantly wrong sometimes. I've also added a few tracks we didn't have. I've found that there are a few more to go. I'll complete the changes as soon as I can and then offer the results to the list (does Steve keep 'em?). After that I'll try to find time to work on the stuff we still don't have. BTW, from my live tapes of Hawkwind, there are four tracks which aren't on any release: They've Got Your Number Curse of Man Black Hole in Space Mark of Cain I may attempt the lyrics of these too (dunno, the tapes aren't great quality) but I think the first and fourth are Lloyd Langton Group tracks? I don't collect LLG so if anyone can make an attempt at tyhe LLG lyrics for these tracks, it'd probably help. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 13:09:47 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08292; Wed, 25 Sep 91 13:09:39 EDT Message-Id: <9109251709.AA08292@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6001; Wed, 25 Sep 91 13:09:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1531; Wed, 25 Sep 91 13:09:41 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 13:01:30 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: BOC Symbol X-To: uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109250704.AA02777@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Andrew James Will" at Sep 25, 91 2:01 am Status: RO > Whether or not this is the origin, I am not sure, but as far as I know, the > symbol is called the Astronomer's Staff and is an astrology symbol from the > Middle Ages. As we all know, some BOC songs deal with occultic (I don't mean > Satanic, although as far as I'm concerned, the former springs from the > latter) themes. Also, I know that some extremists who write books against > every contemporary musician say this symbol stands for the Antichrist or > the questioning of Jesus' crucifixion/(resurrection also?). I don't want > to believe the last explanation, because I think BOC is too cool to be > Satanic. Oh well, enough of me for now. I think you should go listen to "7 Screaming Diz-Busters" from "On Your Feet or On Your Knees." -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 15:47:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14810; Wed, 25 Sep 91 15:47:02 EDT Message-Id: <9109251947.AA14810@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6602; Wed, 25 Sep 91 15:47:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6760; Wed, 25 Sep 91 15:41:17 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 10:18:33 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: A suggestion X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann Status: RO I would find it really useful (if it does not already exist in the discography), if people would describe the various compilation/live albums for Hawkwind so us uninformed people can decide if we need/want to buy them (ie are they remixes, live versions not obvious from the label). For example, I was in Florida recently and saw a Hawkwind Live CD that had a German label. When I listened to it closely, I could tell that it was actually outakes from Space Ritual. David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 18:29:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20879; Wed, 25 Sep 91 18:29:36 EDT Message-Id: <9109252229.AA20879@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6942; Wed, 25 Sep 91 18:29:40 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9490; Wed, 25 Sep 91 18:29:39 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:26:39 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: BOC Symbol X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Chip Hart wrote that one could tell whether or not BOC was Satanic from listening to "7 Screaming Diz-Busters" from OYFoOYK. In the middle of the song Mr. Bloom has this rhyme-type thing which isn't present on the studio version. I don't think it's all that apparent, however. For example: (1) Eric calls Satan a diminutive form of Lucifer, "Lou" which sounds pretty insulting to me, along with his flippant treatment of Satan in the song. I.e., it is one not of devotion, but of mockery. (2) Also, he says that the light is much too bright. How could Satan's light ever be too bright for one of his followers. For these reasons, I think that this part of the song was done tongue-in-cheek, that they were pretending to sound "Satanic" but were just making a slight joke out of the whole thing. Andy ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 19:08:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22078; Wed, 25 Sep 91 19:08:30 EDT Message-Id: <9109252308.AA22078@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7026; Wed, 25 Sep 91 19:08:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9940; Wed, 25 Sep 91 19:08:35 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:07:24 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: BOC Symbol X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109252231.AA26184@dante>; from "Andrew James Will" at Sep 25, 91 5:26 pm Status: RO > > I don't think it's all that apparent, however. For example: > > (1) Eric calls Satan a diminutive form of Lucifer, "Lou" which > sounds pretty insulting to me, along with his flippant > treatment of Satan in the song. I.e., it is one not of > devotion, but of mockery. > > (2) Also, he says that the light is much too bright. How could > Satan's light ever be too bright for one of his followers. > > For these reasons, I think that this part of the song was done > tongue-in-cheek, that they were pretending to sound "Satanic" but were just > making a slight joke out of the whole thing. > > Andy > ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > I have to say that I agree with Andy. If BOC were a "true" devil-band then I think that there would be more "satanistic" references. The use of occulism has been the subject of many works of literature and art. BOC uses the occult as any good author would in any book dealing with this subject. All to often the media is quick to judge musicians at face value based on the content of their music. You never hear anyone saying that Steven King or even Edger Allen Poe are devil-worshipers.... Just my 2 cents, not a flame. Flames belong on rec.games.mud. ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 20:26:09 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24501; Wed, 25 Sep 91 20:26:03 EDT Message-Id: <9109260026.AA24501@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7159; Wed, 25 Sep 91 20:26:05 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0859; Wed, 25 Sep 91 20:26:03 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 17:23:06 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: BOC and Satanism X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Far from being Satanists, BOC are actually closet fundamentalist Christians. Realizing that Christian rock music would never sell to the devil-worshipping teens of America (this was before Stryper), they hid their true beliefs and adopted symbols that the naive record buyers would INTERPRET as Satanic but that were and are completely meaningless and harmless (everyone knows that the hooked cross symbol was just made up by the guy who did their first few album covers; any resemblance to other, older symbols is purely coincidental). The band's true Christianity does, however, occasionally creep into their work. The title of the album _Agents of Fortune_, for example, clearly refers to God's servants, the angels; the song "Don't Fear the Reaper" is obviously built on the Christian belief in Heaven; the song "I am the Storm" clearly refers to God himself; "The Great Sun Jester" is a thinly-disguised retelling of the fall from grace of The Devil himself and a warning to others that would follow his path; etc. But the clinching proof comes in the song "I'm Not the One You Were Looking For". Near the middle of the song, during a guitar break, is a section of speeding up speech, much too fast for the naked ear to make out. As we all know, backmasking is the tool of The Devil but speed compression is the divine work of The Lord. And if one takes the trouble to slow down this section, one will hear that it ends with the beginning of The Lord's Prayer. What more proof of this band's true devotion could one ask for? --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 25 23:34:51 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29798; Wed, 25 Sep 91 23:34:46 EDT Message-Id: <9109260334.AA29798@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7612; Wed, 25 Sep 91 23:34:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3053; Wed, 25 Sep 91 23:34:50 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 21:32:49 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109260027.AA00927@dante>; from "James Preston" at Sep 25, 91 5:23 pm Status: RO In reply to James Presstons' RE: BOC and Satanism: > But the clinching proof comes in the song "I'm Not the One You Were Looking > For". Near the middle of the song, during a guitar break, is a section of > speeding up speech, much too fast for the naked ear to make out. As we all > know, backmasking is the tool of The Devil but speed compression is the divine > work of The Lord. And if one takes the trouble to slow down this section, one > will hear that it ends with the beginning of The Lord's Prayer. What more > proof of this band's true devotion could one ask for? What?! Are you sh*tting us? ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker "Flames belong on rec.games.mud" - me / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 00:24:16 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01297; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:24:09 EDT Message-Id: <9109260424.AA01297@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7709; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:24:14 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3514; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:24:13 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 21:22:09 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: walkera%GG.CALTECH.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Discographies X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 91 21:17:34 PDT." Status: RO This is strange, since I'm not having a problem sending mail to you. BTW, I am the Postmaster/Admin for this local cluster. I have only sent the one previous request (that you got yesterday), and got this response through e-mail. The return address should be walkera@egg.gg.caltech.edu (131.215.139.133 - this is either egg or maggot, our other gateway which will also work). Walker From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 00:26:59 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB01353; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:26:55 EDT Message-Id: <9109260426.AB01353@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7769; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:26:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3702; Thu, 26 Sep 91 00:26:19 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1991 23:25:01 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109260335.AA04483@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Sep 25, 91 9:32 pm Status: RO Trevor writes: > > In reply to James Presstons' RE: BOC and Satanism: > > > But the clinching proof comes in the song "I'm Not the One You Were Looking > > For". Near the middle of the song, during a guitar break, is a section of > > speeding up speech, much too fast for the naked ear to make out. As we all > > know, backmasking is the tool of The Devil but speed compression is the divine > > work of The Lord. And if one takes the trouble to slow down this section, one > > will hear that it ends with the beginning of The Lord's Prayer. What more > > proof of this band's true devotion could one ask for? > > What?! Are you sh*tting us? > > ______ ___ ____ > / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker "Flames belong on rec.games.mud" - me > / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu > A friend of mine who works at a Christian bookstore showed me a book which claimed that in this song ("You're Not the One I Was Looking For") they say the Lord's Prayer backwards or some perversion of it, which would be considered Satanic. I know I have in previous postings supported the non-Satanic image of BOC, but if the recording of the Lord's Prayer is "Satanic," (meaning, it's read backwards or words are changed) I would have to put a strike against BOC. I know from Mr. Preston's recent sarcastic posting (see above) that he probably knows more about this subject. If this is a mocking recording of the Lord's Prayer, I would like to know why, and also, why in this song? Until further discussion, Andy -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 01:49:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03509; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:49:03 EDT Message-Id: <9109260549.AA03509@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7996; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:48:58 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4500; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:48:21 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 00:20:17 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: This is your captain speaking... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109260509.AA09947@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "stephen swann" at Sep 26, 91 1:09 am Status: RO Our Humble Moderator stephen swann writes: > > Hi folks, > > I would just like to take this opportunity to remind all the old members > of this list (and inform all the new members) of the basic 3 rules of > BOC-L, the BOC/Hawkwind discussion list: > > 1. Keep it friendly > 2. Keep it friendly > 3. Keep it friendly > > I have tried to maintain BOC-L as a friendly environment where we can > discuss out favorite groups without the noise and abuse that you always > get on the Usenet rock-n-roll newgroups. > > I'm bringing this up, because it seeme that we have (gasp) a Christian > in our midst, and that that is probably going to be viewed by some people > as an opportunity to have a lynching. Forget it. If people want to debate > the theology and the morality of this, feel free, but be *polite* about it, > or I'll boot your ass right off this group. That goes for everyone, on > either side of this issue. > > Just a friendly reminder from your Humble Moderator :-) > - Steve > I think that this is cool that you wrote this, but I just would like to say I hope this will not deter any members from posting responses. I think so often when we get a good and interesting discussion going, someone ruins it by flaming, but even more often by a lack of participation. This list can be really cool if we all participate in discussion. After all, this can get boring seeing the same 3 people's viewpoints every time :-)! So, keep it safe and have a cool time doing so. Hope to see further discussion. Andy -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 01:56:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03896; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:56:21 EDT Message-Id: <9109260556.AA03896@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8059; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:56:25 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4741; Thu, 26 Sep 91 01:56:24 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:52:32 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: This is your captain speaking... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109260508.AA23661@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Sep 26, 91 1:09 am Status: RO According to stephen swann: > > or I'll boot your ass right off this group. That goes for everyone, on I love it when you talk like that Steve. ;-) Stu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stuart Hungerford | ** | | | || | | Organization : CSIRO DIT. Canberra, Australia. | *=======**========* | | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | || | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | || | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | ** | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 09:28:48 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14392; Thu, 26 Sep 91 09:28:42 EDT Message-Id: <9109261328.AA14392@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8326; Thu, 26 Sep 91 09:28:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7160; Thu, 26 Sep 91 09:28:45 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 08:57:09 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: BOC Symbol X-To: uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109252231.AA17231@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Andrew James Will" at Sep 25, 91 5:26 pm Status: RO > (1) Eric calls Satan a diminutive form of Lucifer, "Lou" which > sounds pretty insulting to me, along with his flippant > treatment of Satan in the song. I.e., it is one not of > devotion, but of mockery. I have always felt that the implication was that Bloom is on familiar terms with Satan, hence his ability to "call him by his first name..." > (2) Also, he says that the light is much too bright. How could > Satan's light ever be too bright for one of his followers. Well, if you follow "Paradise Lost" at all, there is a very accurate description of the "light of hell," which would contradict your statement. Of course, neither your comment nor mine has any basis in Scripture, as far as I know. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont Get up, get, get, get down...911 is a joke in your town. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 10:54:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17111; Thu, 26 Sep 91 10:54:36 EDT Message-Id: <9109261454.AA17111@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8518; Thu, 26 Sep 91 10:54:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8820; Thu, 26 Sep 91 10:54:40 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 10:39:40 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: BOC Symbol To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 26 Sep 1991 08:57:09 EDT from Status: RO I don't think you can take any of BOC's satanic/occultic messages too seriously. BOC, Perlman, and all their friends who contribute lyrics are aware that they're creating fiction. Surreal, evocative, sometimes really sharply drawn, but definitely _imaginary_. Rather than listen for spiritual messages in BOC songs, I've always looked for _satire_. IMHO, the boys often think their material is pretty funny. That's why you have Eric Bloom calling "Hey Lou," and that's the reason for songs like "Godzilla" and "Joan Crawford is Risen From the Grave." One of the best things about BOC is their finely-developed sense of humor. Eric Bloom is a master of the snide vocal style! JB From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 12:25:03 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20369; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:24:57 EDT Message-Id: <9109261624.AA20369@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8722; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:24:59 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0772; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:24:58 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:21:22 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Andrew James Will writes: >A friend of mine who works at a Christian bookstore showed me a book which >claimed that in this song ("You're Not the One I Was Looking For") they say >the Lord's Prayer backwards or some perversion of it, which would be considered >Satanic. I know I have in previous postings supported the non-Satanic image >of BOC, but if the recording of the Lord's Prayer is "Satanic," (meaning, >it's read backwards or words are changed) I would have to put a strike against >BOC. I know from Mr. Preston's recent sarcastic posting (see above) that he >probably knows more about this subject. >If this is a mocking recording of the Lord's Prayer, I would like to know why, >and also, why in this song? Ok, for the benefit of Mr. Will, let me doff the cloak of sarcasm and address his concerns. 1) I repeat: the section in question is SPEEDED UP, it is NOT backwards. 2) The section in question does NOT contain a "perversion" of The Lord's Prayer. 3) The section in question does NOT mock The Lord's Prayer. 4) What the section in question does contain is some completely innocuous ramblings that I have totally forgotten (hey, it's been ten years or more since I went to the trouble of deciphering it). The only thing I remember is that the section in question ends with, "And futhermore, our father who art in heaven", and that's it. It was clearly done tongue in cheek, and the last line was clearly done to surprise and amuse anyone who went in looking for Satanic messages. Now I for one would be VERY interested in hearing what this Christian book has to say about this song. Could Mr. Will either post the title and author of the book or better yet type in the relevant passage? We now return you to our regularly scheduled sarcasm: So does anyone want to talk about how the whole _Imaginos_ album is an allegory for the life of Jesus and the struggle of God vs. the Devil? I mean, seven clearly represents six, therefore the seven times repeated sevens must be the three times repeated sixes, which is the number of the beast. "Les Invisibles" are the angles again. "Another World" is heaven . . . --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 12:33:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20747; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:33:30 EDT Message-Id: <9109261633.AA20747@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8784; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:33:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0972; Thu, 26 Sep 91 12:33:28 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:27:57 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 26 Sep 1991 09:21:22 PDT from Status: RO Well...the fact that one back saying that any change to the Lord's Prayer is satanic does not make it an universal law. It would take a wierdo to want to do this anyway. -Dan If you add up the times of all the songs on "Imaginos" and divide by the number of songs on "Some Enchanted Eve" and take the factorial of this to the 7th Root you get 666. (I'm kidding) but just how far can you take this? If you want I can write a LISP statment that will spell Satan from "Some Enchanted Eve" Get real. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 13:05:01 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB21911; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:04:57 EDT Message-Id: <9109261704.AB21911@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8892; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:04:52 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1626; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:03:53 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 13:03:39 TZONE Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Anthony A. Datri" Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109261634.AA17758@convex.convex.com> Status: RO It's made up of random snippets from various parts of the Bible to begin with. Protestants add a line onto the end, and nobody seems to mind. -- "If things fail, read the rest of the release notes." - x11r5 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 13:40:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23288; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:40:12 EDT Message-Id: <9109261740.AA23288@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9084; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:40:12 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2544; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:40:11 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:37:37 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109261625.AA16456@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "James Preston" at Sep 26, 91 9:21 am Status: RO James Preston writes, among other things: > > >BOC. I know from Mr. Preston's recent sarcastic posting (see above) that he ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Ok, for the benefit of Mr. Will, let me doff the cloak of sarcasm and address > his concerns. > As you can see from the post I wrote which you responded to, I recognized your sarcasm. Just wanted to set the record straight. Also, I will try to look up this book which talks about BOC's imagery in "You're Not the One (I Was Looking For)". Andy ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 13:46:32 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23471; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:46:27 EDT Message-Id: <9109261746.AA23471@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9159; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:46:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2748; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:46:29 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:44:14 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109261633.AA17385@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Sep 26, 91 12:27 pm Status: RO Dan Newcombe utters: > > Well...the fact that one back saying that any change to the > Lord's Prayer is satanic does not make it an universal > law. It would take a wierdo to want to do this anyway. > > -Dan Huh?! I don't understand this part. > > If you add up the times of all the songs on "Imaginos" and > divide by the number of songs on "Some Enchanted Eve" and > take the factorial of this to the 7th Root you get 666. > (I'm kidding) but just how far can you take this? > If you want I can write a LISP statment that will spell > Satan from "Some Enchanted Eve" Get real. > ^^^^^^^^^ It seems that you and James Preston think that people are trying to find hidden meanings in songs by stretching the facts and inventing things that would appear to be symbolic. I don't believe anyone is trying to be a numeroligist here, contrary to popular belief. I think we are just trying to have an intelligent conversation about the motivation of Blue Oyster Cult's songs, for a change. This sort of discussion is why I subscribed to this list in the first place, not particularly to get a complete Hawkwind discography :-) Andy -- From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 13:57:08 1991 Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24012; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:57:04 EDT Received: by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03228; Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:56:51 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 91 13:56:51 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9109261756.AA03228@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind albums in the US. Status: RO Hi folks, I have some good news for those of you, who like myself have been having tremendous difficulty finding Hawkwind albums in the US. They're tough to find, and *expensive* when you do finally track them down, right? Well... I just bought "In Search of Space" and "Doremi Fasol Latido" on CD for $9.99 apiece. Yes, that's in US dollars. :-) They're done by Capitol-EMI Special Markets division ("Cema Special Markets"). The record company that does the release is One Way Records, 1 Prospect Ave, Albany, New York 12206. The liner notes are miniscule - just who played on the album and who wrote each song. The cover art is restricted to what was on the front and back of the album (no interior art from the gatefold or liners). But for $9.99 I'm not complaining. :-) The sound is about as good as you can expect from early Hawkwind. (Meaning it's heavy as hell, you don't notice the mediocre production in the thundering avalanche of sound that crushes your ears :-) Happy hunting! - yHM :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 14:27:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25140; Thu, 26 Sep 91 14:27:23 EDT Message-Id: <9109261827.AA25140@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9371; Thu, 26 Sep 91 14:27:26 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3721; Thu, 26 Sep 91 14:27:24 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 11:24:52 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Andrew James Will writes: >It seems that you and James Preston think that people are trying to find >hidden meanings in songs by stretching the facts and inventing things that >would appear to be symbolic. I don't believe anyone is trying to be a >numeroligist here, contrary to popular belief. Excuse me? I would like to politely point out that you have no basis for making any conclusions about what I think. I was just having some fun with the general idea of symbolism and hidden messages (while also pointing out a bit of real information about BOC that, perhaps, not everyone knew). No personal attack, big or small, against anyone on this forum was intended or should be infered (however, the memebers of the PMRC are another matter). Leaping to the above conclusion was unwarranted, and on a polite forum such as this, deserves an apology. Despite acknowledging my sarcasm, your question, "If this is a mocking recording of the Lord's Prayer, I would like to know why, and also, why in this song?" sounded to me like you were seriously troubled by the possibility of BOC engaging in something that might approach blasphemy by some definitions. I attempted to seriously address your concern in order to put your mind at ease, and then returned to some clearly labeled fun-poking. If you'd like to have an intelligent conversation about the motivations of BOC's songs, please contribute to one and I'll join in. I, too, am really bored with all the Hawkwind talk recently. Here, I'll start a new tangent: Something that I've always wondered about since I first started listening to BOC: The song "She's as Beautiful as a Foot"; what the HELL does that mean? Is this actually a reference to or parody of something I'm not familiar with? Is it some phrase that just came out of someone's dream or drug trip? Did they just make it up because it sounded so wierd? Any ideas? --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 15:46:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28097; Thu, 26 Sep 91 15:46:23 EDT Message-Id: <9109261946.AA28097@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9741; Thu, 26 Sep 91 15:46:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6110; Thu, 26 Sep 91 15:45:48 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:44:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 26 Sep 1991 12:44:14 CDT from Status: RO >Dan Newcombe utters: >> >> Well...the fact that one back saying that any change to the >> Lord's Prayer is satanic does not make it an universal >> law. It would take a wierdo to want to do this anyway. >> >> -Dan >Huh?! I don't understand this part. That should have read "the fact that one BOOK saying..." From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 16:22:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29764; Thu, 26 Sep 91 16:22:23 EDT Message-Id: <9109262022.AA29764@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9907; Thu, 26 Sep 91 16:22:27 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7110; Thu, 26 Sep 91 16:22:26 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:20:02 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109261827.AA27257@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "James Preston" at Sep 26, 91 11:24 am Status: RO James Preston replies to my message: > > Andrew James Will writes: > >It seems that you and James Preston think that people are trying to find > >hidden meanings in songs by stretching the facts and inventing things that > >would appear to be symbolic. I don't believe anyone is trying to be a > >numeroligist here, contrary to popular belief. > > Excuse me? I would like to politely point out that you have no basis for > making any conclusions about what I think. I was just having some fun with > the general idea of symbolism and hidden messages (while also pointing out > a bit of real information about BOC that, perhaps, not everyone knew). No > personal attack, big or small, against anyone on this forum was intended or > should be infered (however, the memebers of the PMRC are another matter). > Leaping to the above conclusion was unwarranted, and on a polite forum such > as this, deserves an apology. > I am sorry that I misinterpreted that part of your recent posting. The person who followed up with the numerology bit really annoyed me because it was as if he was saying that I was trying to find hidden meaning in BOC's songs by stretching various symbols, which totally was not what I intended or did. > Despite acknowledging my sarcasm, your question, "If this is a mocking > recording of the Lord's Prayer, I would like to know why, and also, why in > this song?" sounded to me like you were seriously troubled by the possibility > of BOC engaging in something that might approach blasphemy by some definitions. > I attempted to seriously address your concern in order to put your mind at > ease, and then returned to some clearly labeled fun-poking. > > If you'd like to have an intelligent conversation about the motivations of > BOC's songs, please contribute to one and I'll join in. I, too, am really > bored with all the Hawkwind talk recently. > > Here, I'll start a new tangent: Something that I've always wondered about > since I first started listening to BOC: The song "She's as Beautiful as a > Foot"; what the HELL does that mean? Is this actually a reference to or parody > of something I'm not familiar with? Is it some phrase that just came out of > someone's dream or drug trip? Did they just make it up because it sounded > so wierd? Any ideas? > > --James Preston > -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 19:00:00 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05843; Thu, 26 Sep 91 18:59:56 EDT Message-Id: <9109262259.AA05843@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0259; Thu, 26 Sep 91 18:59:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9475; Thu, 26 Sep 91 18:59:55 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 16:57:32 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Cultworks Inc. X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Ahem. In an attempt to change the subject.... :) I recently saw BOC in a bar in Albequerque, NM. While there I purchased a bumber sticker for my truck. The sticker is not really all that interesting but it says Cultworks In. 84(c) in little letters at the bottom. Am I to believe that this is the manufacturer? Also, if they are the manu- facturer, what else do they make? The sticker appears to be a left-over from the Revolution By Night tour. Anyone else have anything like this? ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker "Flames belong on rec.games.mud" -me / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu "I used to have a cool BOC .sig..." -me From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 19:50:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07609; Thu, 26 Sep 91 19:50:35 EDT Message-Id: <9109262350.AA07609@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0426; Thu, 26 Sep 91 19:50:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0239; Thu, 26 Sep 91 19:50:36 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 19:49:04 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 26 Sep 1991 15:20:02 CDT from Status: RO >I am sorry that I misinterpreted that part of your recent posting. The >person who followed up with the numerology bit really annoyed me because >it was as if he was saying that I was trying to find hidden meaning in >BOC's songs by stretching various symbols, which totally was not what I >intended or did. Actually.... I was making fun of the people that think that any little thing constitutes satanism, and go digging just to make a connection. Sorry... but you had absolutly nothing to do with it.... ;) -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 26 21:31:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10540; Thu, 26 Sep 91 21:31:23 EDT Message-Id: <9109270131.AA10540@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0595; Thu, 26 Sep 91 21:31:26 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1290; Thu, 26 Sep 91 21:31:24 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1991 18:13:08 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Status report - hawkwind lyrics X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO and P.S. can someone with a copy of Henry V please type in the winter of discontent speech, I need it for the lyrics. Ok, this is the current list of lyrics that have been completed and checked. An asterisk means that it's new to the archive or has been amended, That's almost all of 'em :-) This will be followed by the incomplete lyrics list. As usual I'll appeal for help with these since either my ears or my imagination have failed at this point. Perhaps some of the new list members would like to contribute to the project of making an attempt at getting *all* the Hawkwind lyrics. Then comes the other list - songs that we have no lyrics for. Any submissions helpful with these. especially the LLG tracks "Mark of Cain" and "They've Got Your Number" since I don't have copies of those. Also, if anyone has it, the "Hawkwind" track by Dumpy's Rusty Nuts. ___________________________________________________________________________ Hawkwind completed lyrics: ========================== 25 Years * Adjust Me * The Aerospaceage Inferno * Angels of Death * Angel Voices * Arrival in Utopia Assault and Battery The Awakening * Back in the Box * Be Yourself Black Corridor * Black Elk Speaks * Born to Go Brainbox Pollution * Brainstorm Bring It On Home * Children of the Sun * Choose Your Masks Coded Languages * Damage of Life Damnation Alley * Days of the Underground * Dealin' with the Devil * Death Trap * The Demise Disintegration Down through the Night * Dragons and Fables * Dreaming City * Dream Worker * Dust of Time * Ejection * Elric the Enchanter * Fable of a Failed Race * Fahrenheit 451 * Fall of Earth City * Fifth Second of Forever * Flying Doctor * Free Fall * The Golden Void * Good Evening Green Finned Demon Hassan I Sabha Heads * High Rise * Horn of Destiny * Hurry On Sundown * Images * Infinity * In the office Into the Realms * It's So Easy * Jack of Shadows * Joker at the Gate Kerb Crawler * Kings of Speed * Levitation * Lighthouse * Living on a Knife Edge * Looking in the Future * Lord of Light * Lost Chances * Magnu * Master of the Universe * Micro Man Mirror of Illusion * Moonglum * Motorhead * Motorway City * Needle Gun * Neon Skyline * New Jerusalem * Night of the Hawk * Nuclear Drive On the Case * The Only Ones * (Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid * Orgone Accumulator * Oscillations Out of the Shadows * Paradox The Phenomenon of Luminosity Psi Power * Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) * Psycho-Sonia PXR5 * Quark, Strangeness and Charm * Reefer Madness * The Right Stuff * Robot * Rocky Paths The Sea King * Seven By Seven * Shot Down in the Night * Silver Machine * Sleep of a Thousand Tears Social Alliance * Solitary Mind Games * Song of the Swords * Sonic Attack * Space is Deep * Spirit of the Age * Standing at the Edge * Star Cannibal * Starflight * Steppenwolf * Streets of Fear * Sweet Mistress of Pain * Sweet Obsession * Sword of the East * Ten Seconds of Forever * Time We Left (This World today) * Transdimensional Man * Treadmill * TV Suicide * Uncle Sam's on Mars * Urban Guerilla * Virgin of the World Waiting for Tomorrow * Warrior at the End of Time * Warriors * Wastelands of Sleep * The Watcher * We Took the Wrong Step * Web Weaver * Welcome to the Future When the Going Gets Tough * Who's Gonna Win the War * Wings * The Wizard Blew His Horn * Words of a Song You Know You're Only Dreaming * You Shouldn't Do That * You'd Better Believe It Zarozinia _________________________________________________________________________ Hawkwind incomplete lyrics: =========================== (the brackets indicate number of incomplete lines) Lost Johnny (1) * D-Rider (1) Back on the Streets (1) * Kadu Flyer (1) * High Tech Cities (2) * Hades Deep (2) * Ship of Dreams (1) * Earthed to the Ground (2) * Upside Down (1) Dying Seas (4) * The War I Survived (3) * The Demented Man (1) * Nuclear Toy (1) * ______________________________________________________________________ Missing Hawkwind lyrics: ======================== Curse of Man Mark of Cain Black Hole in Space They've got your Number Douglas in the Jungle Valium Ten Winter of Discontent In the Egg Gaga Motherless Children Wage War Ground Control to Pilot First Landing on Medusa Narration I - Live Chronicles Narration II - Live Chronicles Dealing with the Devil (Mind Journey version) Lords of Chaos Processed Raping Robots in the Street The Dark Lords Messengers of Morpheus Psychosis Dangerous Visions Hawkwind (by Dumpy's Rusty Nuts) Utopia '84 ________________________________________________________________________ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 27 14:02:51 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07378; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:02:42 EDT Message-Id: <9109271802.AA07378@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2151; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:02:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2607; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:02:39 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 13:58:00 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: BOC & Religion X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO JB writes: >I don't think you can take any of BOC's satanic/occultic messages >too seriously. Good point!! I have never understood why so much attention, in the past and present, has been paid to "satanic" or "christian" messages in rock and roll. Certainly, it is interesting re the artistic content of songs with such messages, but I don't think it's that serious in a religious sense. I personally don't think that rock and roll has any real effect on a listener's religious beliefs, or that anyone is going to end up in Hell because of their musical tastes. And ultimately, it really does not affect me in any way if BOC espouses a satanic point of view or not, though this possibility is interesting in other ways. I was raised as a Catholic, and I am sad to say that the most horrible, "evil" people I have ever met were also Catholics (the serious, church-going kind). I think all too often, people who vigilantly try to defend us from satanic rock and roll would be better off cleaning out the more insidious evils in their own lives, and in themselves. Maybe this entails taking more responsibility for our own behavior, and spending less time blaming the devil. My two cents worth (if it's worth that much :-) ). Guido P.S.--Thanx Steve!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Lives of great men all remind us We may make our lives sublime ____/\____ and departing, leave behind us / \ footprints in the sands of time" /// || \\\ --Hawkwind / / \ \ Guido Vacano Department of Molecular Biology Wesleyan University GVACANO@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU GVACANO@BEAVER.WESLEYAN.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 27 14:50:44 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09239; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:50:35 EDT Message-Id: <9109271850.AA09239@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2307; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:50:38 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3688; Fri, 27 Sep 91 14:50:37 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 14:21:33 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uvm-gen.uvm.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9109261852.AA00723@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "stephen swann" at Sep 26, 91 2:42 pm Status: RO > I think it is the same with the occult. They use it for literary effect > in their music, just like they use science fictional and fantasy themes. > In _Imaginos_, they borrow from H.P. Lovecraft, Mary Shelley, William Blake, > classical demonology, astrology, you name it. This is done to advance an > interesting and powerful concept album, not to promote the worship of Satan, > which would be silly and fruitless anyway, since anyone who knows the Bible > also knows that in the long run, Satan can't win. :-) I think this is especially true when you take into consideration the "history" of things Satanic/Blasphemous. For quite a long time (ahem, still), the Church (otherwise known as the Vatican), labeled ALL intellectualy achievements which contradicted their beliefs as blasphemous. These days, that doesn't carry the same effect that it did on, say, Galileo, who was only forgiven for proving the the earth is NOt the center of the universe only a few short years ago (excommunication was a VERY serious issue). Anyway, as the intellectual crowds grew -- especially in France and England during the early 1700's -- meetings were held which involved a great deal of SATIRICAL content relative to the anti-intellectual stance the Church has on a number of subjects. Hence, the upside-down cross, backwards prayers, etc. were born. However, some people on both sides of the issue have taken these subjects QUITE seriously. I think they are missing the larger issue. To make a long story short, as far as I know, there is no Scriptual basis for labeling upside down crosses, etc., as SATANIC. It really started as a joke. Once people realize that this is an issue of intellect versus faith (and I'm not sure which is the better thing), it becomes, for musical purposes, less important. In my opinion, BOC has certainly toyed with our socialized views of what is right (God) and wrong (Satan). Good versus Evil. Light versus dark. What's important, as listeners, is that we realize it is this conflict which they are interested in, not the proliferation of evil, per se. It's justa theme, dammit. I just reread this post and it's a bit obscure, but I'll post it anyway :-) Realize that this is not an attepmt to insult anyone in the least. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont I'm not a cool guy anymore, as if I ever [were] before... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 27 16:17:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12326; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:17:18 EDT Message-Id: <9109272017.AA12326@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2491; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:17:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5388; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:17:17 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 12:55:44 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: A suggestion X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Dave Kuznick suggests indexing the Hawkwind Discography to list which tracks are the same but with different names and which are remixes etc. I can see that for non-completists who want to just get all the tracks and mixes rather than every possible collection that comes out, it'd be a money saver (see it? I have nightmares about it! What's 170 factorial divided by 9 factorial? That's probably the number of possible Hawkwind collections and it sometimes looks like we'll get 'em all :-( ) Paul Mather had considered this in the past too. It'd be a worthwhile project. At the moment I'm still furiously updating my collection and doing some work on lyrics when I get time but I'd be happy to work on such an index after that. The folks who are already bored by news of nee (or old) Hawkwind stuff would make like The First Landing on Medusa if we did it by the list so if folks who are willing to help mail me, I'll collect names and see if we can work out a sensible way to go about the task. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Sep 27 16:20:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12448; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:20:35 EDT Message-Id: <9109272020.AA12448@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2551; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:20:39 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5496; Fri, 27 Sep 91 16:18:05 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 13:16:44 bst Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: M.Holmes%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Great Live HW CD X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Good news for fans of live Hawkwind stuff! That German guy that Steve posted the ad for recently: I called him and sweet talked him into sending me a copy of his "Space Rock From London" CD (the ad said he'd only sell in lots of 25). Basically I said that if it was good then I'd review it for the net here and we might place an order. I'd half anticipated that it'd just be another German copy of a normal HW release, like the Imtrat copy of Space Ritual II. It arrived this morning though and I tore open the package to see a nice tasty cover of what looks like Hawkwind at the Space Ritual tour. The inside notes have a good pic of dave Brock in the labcoat and Somon King on drums. The record is apparently a press of a tape from a gig at London Dream Machine on October 14th 1972. I haven't even seen this tape advertised by any tape collectors so this piqued my interest. The track list is: Born To Go Seven By Seven Brainstorm Master of the Universe Paranoia Silver Machine It also gives the band lineup: Brock, King, Lemmy, Del Dettmar, Dik Mik, and Stacia. It's listed as from Genschman rec. GENSCH 1002CD Can't really say if this is an official release or one of the new CD bootlegs. Anyway, consumed by curiosity I wondered what the quality was like. The cover claimed that it was good, but very few tapes or releases of early live Hawkwind were actually good quality - viz In The Beginning (a 1970 BBC sessions tape pressing - also on Text of Festival) or the Live 70/73 pressing from the weird tapes. But to my delight, it's absolutely brilliant quality. It's even clearer than the Space Ritual album! I've heard every piece of official and semi-official Hawkwind except the BBC Transcription disc and this is the best early live stuff. I'd totally recommend it. His prices are very reasonable too. he now says he'll sell 10 for 80 pounds sterling (including registered postage) or 5 for 50 pounds. I might come for another two since a friend of mine will want one and it could be a useful item for trading if it turns out to be a limited edition bootleg. If there's interest then I'll try and organise an order. Let me know. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Sep 28 04:32:45 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02020; Sat, 28 Sep 91 04:32:39 EDT Message-Id: <9109280832.AA02020@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3336; Sat, 28 Sep 91 04:32:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4154; Sat, 28 Sep 91 04:32:41 EDT Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 08:30:40 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tom wilson Subject: this list & BOC's religious slant X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Steve emphasizes the three important rules: Hey Steve how about rule #4 to keep this list from looking like the net? #4 Edit your quoted text I had 21 messages in my box, fortunately only one was HW. However, 4 or 5 practically echoed back other messages with a few added lines to keep it from being a re-run. If you don't know how to use an editor, how about just starting a new message and summarizing what you're replying to? If we have to argue about exact quotes, then we'll dig the mail out of our mailboxes. I could care less what BOC implies or explicitly states (but I'm not trying to halt the discussion). Let me throw some oil on the fire: "1277 express to heaven" 7-screaming diz-busters: if it's an evil song, why not pick a "more evil" number. Isn't 7 supposed to be a "good" number? "with Satan's hog, no pig at all" Fallen Angel Like I said, I don't really care, so I won't comment on what some of these things might mean. Feel free to chew on them. Please don't make me re-read my article by quoting the whole thing back to me (I'll keep a copy). Tom From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Sep 29 18:27:54 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15473; Sun, 29 Sep 91 18:27:50 EDT Message-Id: <9109292227.AA15473@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4661; Sun, 29 Sep 91 18:27:51 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7838; Sun, 29 Sep 91 18:27:45 EDT Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1991 18:24:40 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Location of Gif files To: Steve Swann Status: RO I have place the following files on the WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU ftp site. boc.imaginos.3 boc.fire.u.orgin hawkwind.xenon.codex I put them in the /graphics/gif/Incoming subdirectory. The should be moved to the correct directories (/graphics/gif/b and h). -Dan º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º |Dan Newcombe | Bitnet: º Internet: | Prodigy | ºPO BOX 3-1150 º KK4D@MARISTB | KK4D@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU º CJSJ08B º |Marist College | STDN@MARISTB º STDN@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU |-=-=-=-=-=| ºPoughkeepsie, NYº STDN@MARIST | STDN@VM.MARIST.EDU º## O O ##º | 12601| GRDN@MARIST º GRDN@VM.MARIST.EDU |# \____/ #| º-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=º |'The sun is in the east, even though the day is done... Pink | º two suns in the sunset, could it be the human race is run...' Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Sep 29 19:44:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16977; Sun, 29 Sep 91 19:44:53 EDT Message-Id: <9109292344.AA16977@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4768; Sun, 29 Sep 91 19:44:50 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8303; Sun, 29 Sep 91 19:44:49 EDT Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1991 19:47:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "The Eternal [=- Hawkwind -=] World Tour" Subject: getting those GIFs To: Steve Swann Status: RO first: mucho thanks to Dan Newcombe for placing those BOC & HW GIFs (phewwww thats my acronymns for today 8-) at wuarchive.wustl.edu second: I just tried to (and succeeded) retrieve them GIFs, but they haven't been moved into the b and h subdirectories...they are still in the Incoming directory. For those who are a little squeamish with FTP, all you have to do after connecting as anonymous, is to cd graphics/gif (and first check for a index list dated AFTER 9/2/91 (because thats the 'most recent') if one does exist, then most likely you can check the b and h subdirectories...but if not) cd Incoming binary get ______________ you have to supply the EXACT filename because the file protections (or lack of) will not allow you to read the directory or search it for wildcard patterns. of course if the files have been moved to the b and h subdirectories...then just ignore all the diatribe above and enjoy. - Alv..the ftp madman From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 11:36:16 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08049; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:36:11 EDT Message-Id: <9109301536.AA08049@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6100; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:36:09 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4161; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:35:06 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:12:50 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Some purchases To: Steve Swann Status: RO Went along to a record fair this weekend and managed to pick up some good stuff. First off I got FREQ by Robert Calvert which I have to admit is a hell of a lot better than the other album I've got by him (the name escapes me at the moment). Does anyone know anything about this album, only a lot of it seems to be based around the miners strikes in Britain of a few years back. Also purchased was Quark, Strangness and Charm which I've been promising myself a long time. Having never heard it before I was quite pleased and surprised. It tends to be quite a melodic album compared to a lot of their stuff. Also by Hawkind, a single which, without realising, I already had but in a different sleeve - Needle Gun. I also got hold of a couple of albums by a band called Underground Zero who are (or were) on the Flicknife label. Not bad, a bit Hawkwind'ish but sounds a bit more rockish, nevertheless quite good. Also, caught a band a couple of weeks ago which might be interesting to readers of the list, namely Dr. Phibes and the House of Wax Equations. Very much in a Hawkwind/Gong vein. Seb p.s. Hawkwind are playing Frankfurt Batschkapp 19/10 ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton › SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre › MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany › C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Serco Space Ltd, Sunbury-on-Thames, England, Centre of the Universe ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ ~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 11:45:08 1991 Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08386; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:45:06 EDT Received: by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24841; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:45:01 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:45:01 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9109301545.AA24841@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: *** BOC Album Poll *** Status: RO Hi folks, Welcome to the Great BOC Album Poll! :-) Participation is simple: * Send e-mail to me at the following address: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * Put "Poll Entry" or something to that effect in the Subject: line of the letter, so I can easily identify it. * Please rank all BOC albums that you own (or that you are that you very familiar with, i.e. your roommate, spouse, brother etc. owns a copy). * Please do not rank any album that you have only heard once, or that you haven't checked out because you've heard it was bad. :-) * Live, bootleg, or solo albums will be counted, but not compilations. Here is the ranking system: 5 = What a great album, everybody should be required by law to own it 4 = It's really very good, I like most everything on it 3 = It has its ups and downs, but overall I like it 2 = It has some good points, but overall it's kind of weak 1 = I really don't like it much, it has few redeeming qualities 0 = Not worth the powder to blow it to hell. Note: if you feel that the strong points of an album are sufficient to outweigh any of its negative points, then you may rank the album higher than you would otherwise. (i.e. suppose some hypothetical BOC-L member, call him Matt, says "I really hate most of the album _Revolution by Night_, but I just love the song 'Light Years of Love' so much that I want to rank _RbN_ as a 4, in spite of my dislike of the rest of the album." This is acceptable.) Please rank them in the following format: 5 Imaginos 5 Fire of Unknown Origin 4 Cultosaurus Erectus 3 Blue Oyster Cult etc... I am appending a BOC discography to the end of this letter to assist people whose album collections are not available to them right now. I will not be using a fancy algorithm to determine the results, I will just be posting the total points each album received, and the average ranking each album received (where average ranking is equal to the total points the album received, divided by the number of times it was cited). Note that citing an album, and ranking it as a "0" will lower the album's average ranking, while failing to cite it will not. This poll will be in effect from now until 15-Oct-91, with a possible extension if I am still receiving entries at that time. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve partial Blue Oyster Cult Discography (albums only) -------------------------------------------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult Transmaniacon MC I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep Then Came The Last Days Of May Stairway To The Stars Before The Kiss, A Redcap Screams She's As Beautiful As A Foot Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Workshop Of The Telescopes Redeemed 1973 Tyranny And Mutation The Red And The Black O.D.'d On Life Itself Hot Rails To Hell 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Baby Ice Dog Wings Wetted Down Mistress Of The Salmon Salts (Quicklime Girl) 1974 Secret Treaties Career Of Evil Subhuman Dominance And Submission ME 262 Cagey Cretins Harvester Of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Astronomy 1975 On Your Feet Or On Your Knees (live) Subhuman Harvester of Eyes Hot Rails to Hell Red and the Black 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Buck's Boogie Last Days of May Cities on Flame ME-262 Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Maserati GT Born to Be Wild 1976 Agents Of Fortune This Ain't The Summer Of Love True Confessions (Don't Fear) The Reaper E.T.I (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) The Revenge Of Vera Gemini Sinful Love Tattoo Vampire Morning Final Tenderloin Debbie Denise 1977 Spectres Godzilla Golden Age Of Leather Death Valley Nights Searchin' For Celine Fireworks R.U. Ready 2 Rock Celestial The Queen Goin' Through The Motions I Love The Night Nosferatu 1977 Some Enchanted Evening (live) R.U. Ready 2 Rock ETI Astronomy Kick Out The Jams Godzilla The Reaper We Gotta Get Outa This Place 1979 Mirrors Dr. Music The Great Sun Jester In Thee Mirrors Moon Crazy The Vigil I Am The Storm You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) Lonely Teardrops 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Divine Wind Deadline The Marshall Plan Hungry Boys Fallen Angel Lips In The Hills Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Sole Survivor Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver Vengeance (The Pact) After Dark Joan Crawford Don't Turn Your Back 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live (live) Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame Dr. Music The Red and The Black Joan Crawford Burnin For You Roadhouse Blues Black Blade Hot Rails to Hell Godzilla Veteran of The Psychic Wars ETI The Reaper 1983 Revolution By Night Take Me Away Eyes On Fire Shooting Shark Veins Shadow Of California Feel The Thunder Let Go Dragon Lady Light Years Of Love 1986 Club Ninja White Flags Dancin' In The Ruins Make Rock Not War Perfect Water Spy In The House Of The Night Beat 'Em Up When The War Comes Shadow Warrior Madness To The Method 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of Les Invisibles In The Presence Of Another World Del Rio's Song The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria Astronomy Magna Of Illusion Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos 1982 Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album) Born To Rock That Summer Night Cold Wind Your Loving Heart Five Thirty-Five Wind Weather and Storm All Tied Up Anwar's Theme Come Softly To Me From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 11:52:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08768; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:52:12 EDT Message-Id: <9109301552.AA08768@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6247; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:52:10 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4826; Mon, 30 Sep 91 11:50:43 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:37:48 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: SWELTON%ESOC.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Some purchases To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:12:50 CET Status: RO >of a few years back. Also purchased was Quark, Strangness and Charm which >I've been promising myself a long time. Having never heard it before I was >quite pleased and surprised. It tends to be quite a melodic album compared >to a lot of their stuff. Oh, and I forgot to mention, this also came with 6 color slides of Hawkwind in concert which I'm going to try to develop or whatever. Seb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 15:03:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16042; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:03:16 EDT Message-Id: <9109301903.AA16042@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6909; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:03:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9176; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:03:14 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:50:53 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "Paul Mather" Subject: Re: A suggestion (and an announcement) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "David Kuznick" at Sep 25, 91 10:18 am Status: RO Hello all, back again... David Kuznick writes: > I would find it really useful (if it does not already exist in the > discography), if people would describe the various compilation/live > albums for Hawkwind so us uninformed people can decide if we need/want > to buy them (ie are they remixes, live versions not obvious from the > label). For example, I was in Florida recently and saw a Hawkwind > Live CD that had a German label. When I listened to it closely, I > could tell that it was actually outakes from Space Ritual. Good heavens! That sounds like a great idea Dave, which is probably why I've already thought of it! ;-) Just to announce, the next major project I have for the BOC-L Hawkwind discography is to cross-reference it. I was pretty unhappy the way that so many identical tracks kept cropping up on compilation albums, or, worse still, the same track but with a different name. It seems to me that if, for example, the version of "Levitation" on the _Utopia 1984_ album is exactly the same as the one off _Stonehenge_ then that fact should be noted. I tended to get put off such compilation albums and started to avoid Hawkwind compilation albums in general. This is unfortunate as it has been pointed out to me that there are some rare mixes hidden amongst the sea of Hawkwind compilation albums out there. The problem is how to sort the wheat from the chaff, hence the cross reference idea. I haven't yet decided the exact format this cross-referencing will take. There is currently a fury of collecting (Collecting even:) going on amongst some of the Hawkwind listpersons which is generating a lot of changes to the discography as a result. :-) The discography is somewhat in a state of flux at present. DO NOT PANIC Hawkfans! Rest assured I am steadily working away clearing the backlog of updates. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 15:06:50 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB16138; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:06:45 EDT Message-Id: <9109301906.AB16138@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6970; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:06:38 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9312; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:04:03 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:51:58 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "Paul Mather" Subject: Re: BOC and speeding up lyrics? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew James Will" at Sep 26, 91 12:44 pm Status: RO Andrew James Will writes: > [...] This sort of discussion is why I subscribed to this > list in the first place, not particularly to get a complete Hawkwind > discography :-) Damn, and I was all set to despatch a copy to you... :-) In flippant mood, .luaP ku.ca.rognab.sees@rehtam.p :liam-e .ot gniklat htrow ton ylsuoivbo m'I ,em hcaer t'nac reliam ruoy fI From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 15:09:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16305; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:09:37 EDT Message-Id: <9109301909.AA16305@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7028; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:09:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9425; Mon, 30 Sep 91 15:04:49 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 16:45:17 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "Paul Mather" Subject: Re: Status report - hawkwind lyrics X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo" at Sep 26, 91 6:13 pm Status: RO Friends_of_Fernando_Poo writes: > Then comes the other list - songs that we have no lyrics for. Any submissions > helpful with these. especially the LLG tracks "Mark of Cain" and "They've > Got Your Number" since I don't have copies of those. Also, if anyone has it, > the "Hawkwind" track by Dumpy's Rusty Nuts. If that is the *very* Hawkwind-sounding track on the _Get Out On The Road_ album then I've got it (on tape---my vinyl copy is with a chunk of my record collection at another location:). (An album which I literally judged by its cover---I found the cartoon of a flying teapot and Dave Brock and co. on the cover combined with a "HW" track on the album itself just too much to resist. Ok, so call me fickle...:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Sep 30 19:44:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27463; Mon, 30 Sep 91 19:44:08 EDT Message-Id: <9109302344.AA27463@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7531; Mon, 30 Sep 91 19:44:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3902; Mon, 30 Sep 91 19:44:06 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1991 15:47:59 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Is this a compilation? X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann Status: RO I saw "The Best of & the Rest of HAWKWIND Live" for $9 new at Tower in Paramus NJ and couldn't resist getting it, though I loathe compilations. The question I have is, is this really a compilation or not? Since the only live HW I have is Space Ritual on vinyl, I figured "What the Hell". Oh yeah; they had the new CD as well for $13.99. I also completed my BOC collection (studio only; I also loathe live albums unless the versions are really different ala HW, Yes, ELP, wtc.) at the same time. If I wind up not liking the early stuff, you might see some CDs for sale here. David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 1 01:38:11 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07601; Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:38:09 EDT Message-Id: <9110010538.AA07601@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7865; Tue, 01 Oct 91 00:36:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6230; Tue, 01 Oct 91 00:36:32 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 01:00:46 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: The BBC Sessions? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Something VERY interesting regarding the Hawkwind CD I was praising just a few messages ago. There's a countdon at the start of it and this had reminded me of something. A flash of inspiration hit me and I dug out the vinyl copy of Hawkfan 12. sure enough there's a brief countdown at the start and it matches the CD version. The countdown is all there is on Hawkfan 12 but Brian Tawn lists it in a newsletter as the start of the fabled BBC sessions tape of 1973. I guess that'd make this CD a print of the legendary (and expensive, I've been quoted 400 quid!) BBC Sessions tape. That also explains why it's good quality. More news. I've found out that there was another BBC release with Hawkwind on it. This was dated 1971 and apparently also has Pretty Things and other bands tracks. I suspect, though can't confirm that the Hawkwind tracks will be from the 1970 BBC sessions tape (the one that In the Beginning is a print of). Anyway, I think someone (Marty?) has mentioned that they have a tape of the 1973 BBC Sessions tape. Could I *please* have a track listing to check whether this CD matches? FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 1 06:48:24 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB15726; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:48:19 EDT Message-Id: <9110011048.AB15726@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4632; Tue, 01 Oct 91 06:48:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6116; Tue, 01 Oct 91 06:48:14 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:23:36 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: A suggestion (and an announcement) X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Paul, I've updated the discography again with a few bits & pieces and some info that was marked as questionable originally. Let me know when you want a copy. I think that makes it completely up to date now, at least as far as the stuff I know about goes. The "Hawkwind" track on Get Out on the Road is the one I'm after the lyrics for. Could you post 'em up please? Did you get the Warrior album and the two singles OK? Collecting news: As you'll have gathered from the posts, I got the Space Rock from London CD (which I suspect is the BBC Transcription Disk - still trying to find out though). Adrians told me that Ironstrike has been deleted, so it could be a bit of a search for that one. I now have Acid Daze and British Tribal Music, but I'm still missing the triple anthology pic disk. I got both Tim Blake singles and have a copy of the "Shimmer" single with Steve Hillage on the way. I also now have the other Clearlight album which has Blake on it. Actually, I would quite like a tape of the Dumpy's album, since it may not be easy to find (unless you know somewhere that has 'em?). Colin, my hawkfan pal, is willing to help with a cross indexing project. Let's try to figure out the best format? s'all for now Cheers FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 1 06:50:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15844; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:50:20 EDT Message-Id: <9110011050.AA15844@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4691; Tue, 01 Oct 91 06:50:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6224; Tue, 01 Oct 91 06:48:42 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 11:25:12 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: woops, sorry X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO another victory for incompetence with the reply to field. That last one was meant for Paul. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 1 22:06:17 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16217; Tue, 1 Oct 91 22:06:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110020206.AA16217@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6437; Tue, 01 Oct 91 22:06:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1943; Tue, 01 Oct 91 22:06:10 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 23:40:24 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind info X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO I've confirmed that the "Hawkwind:Space Rock from London" is the fabled BBC Sessions 1973 LP printed to CD. There are some suspicions that it's not been done entirely legitimately so it is likely to be a limited edition release ;-) My source also mentioned that he'd been at an auction where the actual (rare) BBC LP went for 1000 pounds Sterling. I guess I'm not likely to get the vinyl of this one in my collection :-( Other news for US Hawkfiends (and others) is that there'll be another live CD of the Glasgow (that's Scotland) 1982 gig. I have about 30 mins of this on tape and I was at that gig. It'll be well worth having. There'll also be another collection on CD. The two will be called "The Psychedelic Warlords" and "The Golden Void". I'm not sure which is which. Flicknife appear to be out of action and it's hard to get the CD stuff that they put out. I don't have any of it and will be willing to trade/buy if anyone can get me copies. (Sigh! I thought this would be a lot easier on CD). Some other albums like Space Ritual are in the pipeline for CD as is a Brian Tawn special triple CD set (dunno how much will be original stuff). Warrior on the Edge of Time will be released on CD if anyone can find the master tapes. It seems that both United Artists and Atco have misplaced their copies. That being IMHO hawkwind's best LP, this has gotta be a hanging offence. that's all for now folks. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 2 08:37:37 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01314; Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:37:21 EDT Message-Id: <9110021237.AA01314@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6891; Wed, 02 Oct 91 08:37:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1938; Wed, 02 Oct 91 08:37:12 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 11:59:24 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Is this a compilation? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO >Subject: Is this a compilation? > >I saw "The Best of & the Rest of HAWKWIND Live" for $9 new at Tower in >Paramus NJ and couldn't resist getting it, though I loathe >compilations. The question I have is, is this really a compilation or >not? Since the only live HW I have is Space Ritual on vinyl, I >figured "What the Hell". Oh yeah; they had the new CD as well for >$13.99. This is a compilation. It has all four tracks from the recent Early Years Live EP which Receiver(?) also did, plus some other licensed stuff. There's nothing on it that doesn't appear somewhere else. Nevertheless, it's quite a good album and the price certainly looks more than reasonable. >David Kuznick >david@ait.com FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 3 17:00:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04543; Thu, 3 Oct 91 17:00:21 EDT Message-Id: <9110032100.AA04543@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9889; Thu, 03 Oct 91 17:00:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3295; Thu, 03 Oct 91 17:00:13 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 14:09:41 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Ok! Here's the official BOC "best song" poll description: ============================================================================== You may choose your 12 favorite songs by Blue Oyster Cult from any album (live recordings included, bootlegs excluded, obviously). For songs which there are multiple recordings (Astronomy has 3) please indicate which one you mean, briefly. Of these 12 songs, you will give each a rating from 0 to 5 as follows: (Thanks to Steve) 5 What a totally -awesome- song, it's one of my VERY favorites. 4 A truly great song, I love to listen to it 3 It's definitely a fine song, I like it a lot 2 This one could have been done by some lesser rock group :-) 1 I don't like 12 BOC songs, I had to put this on to fill out the list 0 Please delete me from BOC-L, I have no taste :-) ============================================================================== Sample Entry: mail ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Subject: BOC SONG POLL 5 Seven Screaming Dustbusters 3 (Don't Sneeze at ) The Reaper 2 Highway to the Stars 4 Flowers of Unknown Origin ...{7 other entries} 3 Dominic and Confusion ============================================================================== When all the polls are in, I will add all points that each song earned, which will be one part of its ranking. For the second part, I will take the total number of points each song received, and divide it by the number of times the song showed as an entry, which then gives its "average" ranking. (once again, thanks to Steve for the system) Hopefully, this system will prove what the best of the best BOC songs are. I will take poll entries from now until the 10th. I will then post the results possibly as early as the 11th or as late as the 14th, depending how much work it turns out to be. Mail all entries to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu with the subject of BOC SONG POLL, or something similar. With everyone's contribution, this poll will be very successful. Thanks. Andy ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 3 20:20:15 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11120; Thu, 3 Oct 91 20:20:06 EDT Message-Id: <9110040020.AA11120@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0348; Thu, 03 Oct 91 20:20:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5967; Thu, 03 Oct 91 20:19:58 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 01:16:27 +0100 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Sixten Borg Subject: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I am on my way home from a Hawkwind concert here in Lund. I had no previous experience of Hawkwind, but the Blue Oyster Cult mailing list have been infested with Hawkwind stuff ever since I became a member. Now I can see why. They were good, to say the least. Petty they didn't play longer. I think they played about 45 minutes. (I don't have a watch). Assume you would recommend a record that I should buy. The facts are: The band sounded like Tangerine Dream (which I liked), vaguely like Deep Purple (also to my liking) and like early Black Sabbath playing blues (which I liked extremely much). Between the songs, they kept doing some synthersizer processing (which was so so). Now what record(s) should I buy? By the way, the drummer was excellent. / Sixten Borg, reporting from Lund. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 05:43:54 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27401; Fri, 4 Oct 91 05:43:49 EDT Message-Id: <9110040943.AA27401@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0732; Fri, 04 Oct 91 05:43:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8390; Fri, 04 Oct 91 05:43:44 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 09:55:12 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Re Hawkwind recommendations. I too am a Tangerine Dream fan and am fond of some Black Sabbath (Heaven and Hell is my fave album). Probably the most electronic of Hawkwind's albums are Levitation, Xenon Codex, and Quark Strangeness and Charm. Levitation is also probably the most musically accomplished album. Warrior on The Edge of Time sounds a lot like the Heaven and Hell album and I'd reccommend this one too. If you like the live sound then "Live '79" is very good, and Palace Springs has more current live stuff with some old stuff in there too. Of course, these may not be easy to find :-) If you have real problems Sixten, then keep in touch. In my current spate of collecting I'm getting loads of Hawkwind-for-sale lists and would be able to pass on addresses for most of the albums. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 06:56:35 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28765; Fri, 4 Oct 91 06:56:31 EDT Message-Id: <9110041056.AA28765@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0814; Fri, 04 Oct 91 06:56:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9054; Fri, 04 Oct 91 06:56:27 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 02:15:25 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: pc Subject: Re: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110040022.AA00778@bertha.pyramid.com>; from "Sixten Borg" at Oct 4, 91 1:16 am Status: RO > >I am on my way home from a Hawkwind concert here in Lund. I had no previous >experience of Hawkwind, but the Blue Oyster Cult mailing list have been >infested with Hawkwind stuff ever since I became a member. Now I can see >why. They were good, to say the least. Petty they didn't play longer. I >think they played about 45 minutes. (I don't have a watch). >Assume you would recommend a record that I should buy. The facts are: >The band sounded like Tangerine Dream (which I liked), vaguely like Deep >Purple (also to my liking) and like early Black Sabbath playing blues >(which I liked extremely much). Between the songs, they kept doing some >synthersizer processing (which was so so). >Now what record(s) should I buy? Buy them all. :-) Have they picked up a new sound lately? I've seen both Hawkwind and Tangerine Dream and they sound completely different to me. -- -m--------- Patrick Connor Pyramid Technology ---mmm------- (415) 335-8819 1295 Charleston Rd. -----mmmmm----- pc@pyramid.com -or- Mountain View, CA -------mmmmmmm--- uunet!pyramid!pc 94043 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 08:03:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00191; Fri, 4 Oct 91 08:03:18 EDT Message-Id: <9110041203.AA00191@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0925; Fri, 04 Oct 91 08:03:13 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9913; Fri, 04 Oct 91 08:03:12 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 12:21:46 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO What I forgot to ask is who was playing with the band. I guess as a neophyte Hawkwind fan that's not an easy one unless you have a tour programme, so basically how many folks were playing and what were they doing? FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 08:16:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00535; Fri, 4 Oct 91 08:16:00 EDT Message-Id: <9110041216.AA00535@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1004; Fri, 04 Oct 91 08:15:57 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0262; Fri, 04 Oct 91 08:15:56 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 08:12:46 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Black Elk Speaks... To: Steve Swann Status: RO You would not believe my surprise when, in my religion class, my proffesor wrote one the board "BLACK ELK SPEAKS" in reference to one of the myth's that Joseph Cambell (a video presentation) was going to be going over. He didn't say much about it except that it was an ancient Indian myth about a boy's passage to manhood and his realization of a higher being. -Dan PS: And now my prof wants a copy of the lyrics. º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º |Dan Newcombe | Bitnet: º Internet: | Prodigy | ºPO BOX 3-1150 º KK4D@MARISTB | KK4D@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU º CJSJ08B º |Marist College | STDN@MARISTB º STDN@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU |-=-=-=-=-=| ºPoughkeepsie, NYº STDN@MARIST | STDN@VM.MARIST.EDU º## O O ##º | 12601| GRDN@MARIST º GRDN@VM.MARIST.EDU |# \____/ #| º-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=º |'The sun is in the east, even though the day is done... Pink | º two suns in the sunset, could it be the human race is run...' Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 09:20:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02418; Fri, 4 Oct 91 09:20:26 EDT Message-Id: <9110041320.AA02418@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1138; Fri, 04 Oct 91 09:20:22 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1309; Fri, 04 Oct 91 09:20:21 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 14:17:19 +0100 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Sixten Borg Subject: Re: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO There were 3 persons playing. One dark-haired drummer, one bass player who was presented as Alan something, I think. The third person played guitar and keyboard. Two other persons lurked in the shadows, probably crew. BTW is it called base guitar? bass seems fishy when I think of it. Sixten From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 4 12:38:38 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB09499; Fri, 4 Oct 91 12:38:29 EDT Message-Id: <9110041638.AB09499@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1791; Fri, 04 Oct 91 12:14:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1174; Fri, 04 Oct 91 11:59:26 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 15:42:38 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "Paul Mather" Subject: Re: Hawkwind concert in Lund (in Sweden) X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo" at Oct 4, 91 9:55 am Status: RO Friends_of_Fernando_Poo wrote: > Probably the most electronic of Hawkwind's albums are Levitation, > Xenon Codex, and Quark Strangeness and Charm. Levitation is also probably > the most musically accomplished album. Hmmm, I reckon _Church of Hawkwind_ to be mucho electronico, and musically accomplished to boot. I prefer to think of _Levitation_ as their best engineered album (stir, stir). :-) > If you like the live sound then "Live '79" is very good, and Palace Springs > has more current live stuff with some old stuff in there too. And if you like that '70's rock sound (which, liking Black Sabbath and Deep Purple I guess you probably do), you ought to check out some of their earlier material, e.g. (keeping with the live motif) _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_. > Of course, these may not be easy to find :-) If you have real problems Sixten, > then keep in touch. In my current spate of collecting I'm getting loads of > Hawkwind-for-sale lists and would be able to pass on addresses for most > of the albums. Well, all of the albums FoFP mentioned, with the exception of _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ are currently available---many of them as low-price reissues. A excellent bargain is the _Levitation/Live '79_ double album package on the Castle Communications label, part of their "That's Original" series. You get two recommended albums for the price of one! Cheers and happy hunting, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 5 01:36:00 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04048; Sat, 5 Oct 91 01:35:56 EDT Message-Id: <9110050535.AA04048@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3440; Sat, 05 Oct 91 01:35:52 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7155; Sat, 05 Oct 91 01:35:50 EDT Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1991 01:34:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Renegade Subject: BOC lyric archive? X-To: BOC-L%ubvm.bitnet@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Probabaly a FAQ, but is there an anonymous ftp site where I can find BOC lyrics, especially for _Imaginos_? If so, where? Thanks!! -Renegade rkr103@psuvm.psu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 7 02:56:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07255; Mon, 7 Oct 91 02:56:25 EDT Message-Id: <9110070656.AA07255@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5542; Mon, 07 Oct 91 02:56:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7708; Mon, 07 Oct 91 02:56:18 EDT Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1991 20:46:50 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind bootlegs X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO More info from the Hawkwind collecting scene, but for a change this reduces rather than enlarges the number of records to be collected. I've been talking to Real Collectors (they're the ones who don't just mess around trying to get all the different mixes of all the different songs but try to get all the formats (CD, LP, Cassette) and all the possible covers that are released in different countries, etc....). It seem that the conclusios are that "Time of the Hawklords" and "Tribal Warfare" only ever existed as the names of bootleg concert cassettes that folks were passing around and not as pressed LP bootlegs. Hawkwind Mind Journey was from a Glasgow gig in 1974 but it's reckoned that only one acetate was pressed and it's known who has this. Claims by others to have seen an LP pressing have never been confirmed despite some fairly unreasonable sums being offered for a copy. Looks like these can be scratched from the Discography. The only known hawkwind bootleg is the one of WEIRD TAPE 103: "Hawkwind at watchfield and Stonehenge" later renamed "Hawkwind: Live and Kicking". Of the original BBC transcription disc, apparently there were at most 25 pressings made before the master plate was smashed as per contract. That may explain the price tag of 1000 quid. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 7 13:50:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24984; Mon, 7 Oct 91 13:50:49 EDT Message-Id: <9110071750.AA24984@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6586; Mon, 07 Oct 91 13:50:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0150; Mon, 07 Oct 91 13:50:38 EDT Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 12:49:25 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Best Song Poll X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Gosh, there are only 5 days left for my poll and I have hardly had any response! So, I must take drastic measures...a threat. If I don't get a flood of polls (one per person, obviously) then I will be forced to make more posts questioning BOC's religious motivation. Here's a sample: 7 Screaming Diz-Busters, as heard on OYFOOYK, has Eric singing "Kill the Light," and later "Not talking about the light up above I'm talking about the hellfire way down below," Why, if BOC was not opposed to Satan, would they want to destroy him? Something to think about. Anyway, there's more where that came from ;-) so please mail me your poll entries, or else! :-) If you don't know what the poll is about, I will gladly send you the description of the entry. Mail anything to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (well, not ANYTHING). Andy -- "When we touched, it was a white-hot star, the speed of light, between two hearts, -- "Light Years of Love" :-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 7 15:42:31 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB29474; Mon, 7 Oct 91 15:42:23 EDT Message-Id: <9110071942.AB29474@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6885; Mon, 07 Oct 91 15:42:00 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5782; Mon, 07 Oct 91 15:40:52 EDT Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 11:21:46 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind lyrics update X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO BOC fans - Just say "n" The hawkwind lyrics work is nearly complete. I checked my entire collection over the weekend for tracks still to be done. The score is 151 tracks complete 13 tracks slightly incomplete 5 tracks very incomplete 6 tracks too unclear to get lyrics 12 tracks left to do Time permitting, this should all be wrapped up quite soon and posted off to Steve. With this list's indulgence, I'll post up a one-off message containing the incomplete lyrics in case anyone can complete 'em. Anyway. List of tracks follows: _________________________________________________________________________ Tracks still to be done: ======================== Winter of Discontent The Changing 5/4 We Do It Some People Never Die Came Home Hash Cake '77 The Dream Down On her Knees Where Are They Now? Space Travellers Elements Tracks too unclear to get lyrics: ================================= Mark of Cain Black Hole in Space Douglas in the Jungle Valium Ten Watching the Grass Grow Ghost Dance Slightly Incomplete ( <=2 lines incomplete) =================== Lost Johnny (1) * D-Rider (1) Back on the Streets (1) * Kadu Flyer (1) * High Tech Cities (2) * Gaga (1) * Hades Deep (2) * Ship of Dreams (1) * Upside Down (1) The Demented Man (1) * Nuclear Toy (1) * Lords of Chaos (1) * Hawkwind (1) * Very Incomplete ( >=3 lines incomplete) =============== Dying Seas (4) * The War I Survived (3) * Stonehenge Decoded (4) * Raping Robots in the Street (3) * Wage War (4) * Complete ======== 25 Years * Adjust Me * The Aerospaceage Inferno * Angels of Death * Angel Voices * Arrival in Utopia Assault and Battery The Awakening * Back in the Box * Be Yourself Black Corridor * Black Elk Speaks * Born to Go Brainbox Pollution * Brainstorm Bring It On Home * Children of the Sun * Choose Your Masks Coded Languages * The Curse of Man * Damage of Life Damnation Alley * Dangerous Visions * The Dark Lords * Days of the Underground * Dealin' with the Devil * Death Trap * The Demise Disintegration Down through the Night * Dragons and Fables * Dreaming City * Dream Worker * Dust of Time * Earthed to the Ground * Ejection * Elric the Enchanter * Fable of a Failed Race * Fahrenheit 451 * Fall of Earth City * Fifth Second of Forever * First Landing on Medusa * Flying Doctor * Free Fall * The Golden Void * Good Evening Green Finned Demon Hassan I Sabha Heads * High Rise * Horn of Destiny * Hurry On Sundown * Images * Infinity * In the Egg * In the office Into the Realms * It's So Easy * Jack of Shadows * Joker at the Gate Kerb Crawler * Kings of Speed * Levitation * Lighthouse * Living on a Knife Edge * Looking in the Future * Lord of Light * Lost Chances * Magnu * Make What You Can * Master of the Universe * Messengers of Morpheus * Micro Man Mirror of Illusion * Moonglum * Motherless Children * Motorhead * Motorway City * Narration I * Narration II * Needle Gun * Neon Skyline * New Jerusalem * Night of the Hawk * Note From a Cold Planet * Nuclear Drive On the Case * The Only Ones * (Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid * Orgone Accumulator * Oscillations Out of the Shadows * Paradox The Phenomenon of Luminosity Processed * Psi Power * Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) * Psychosis * PsychoSonia PXR5 * Quark, Strangeness and Charm * Reefer Madness * The Right Stuff * Robot * Rocky Paths Running Through the Backbrain * The Sea King * Seven By Seven * Shot Down in the Night * Silver Machine * Sleep of a Thousand Tears Social Alliance * Solitary Mind Games * Song of the Swords * Sonic Attack * Space is Deep * Spirit of the Age * Standing at the Edge * Star Cannibal * Starflight * Steppenwolf * Streets of Fear * Sweet Mistress of Pain * Sweet Obsession * Sword of the East * Ten Seconds of Forever * They've Got Your Number * Time We Left (This World today) * Transdimensional Man * Treadmill * TV Suicide * Uncle Sam's on Mars * Urban Guerilla * Virgin of the World Waiting for Tomorrow * Warrior at the End of Time * Warriors * Wastelands of Sleep * The Watcher * We Took the Wrong Step * Web Weaver * Welcome to the Future When the Going Gets Tough * Who's Gonna Win the War * Wings * The Wizard Blew His Horn * Words of a Song You Know You're Only Dreaming * You Shouldn't Do That * You'd Better Believe It Zarozinia From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 7 21:08:53 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10936; Mon, 7 Oct 91 21:08:51 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12830; Mon, 7 Oct 91 21:08:45 EDT Date: Mon, 7 Oct 91 21:08:45 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110080108.AA12830@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: *** 2nd call: BOC Album Poll *** Status: RO Hi folks, This is the second (and last) call to participate in the Great BOC Album Poll. There have been a reasonable number of entries, but even among the more "prominent" members of this list, some of you are holding back. Don't! Participation makes the world go 'round. The Greek word from which we derived "idiot" was a reference to people who didn't participate in the political life of the polis (i.e. didn't vote). So vote, and don't be an idiot. :-) Participation is simple: * Send e-mail to me at the following address: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * Put "Poll Entry" or something to that effect in the Subject: line of the letter, so I can easily identify it. * Please rank all BOC albums that you own (or that you are that you very familiar with, i.e. your roommate, spouse, brother etc. owns a copy). * Please do not rank any album that you have only heard once, or that you haven't checked out because you've heard it was bad. :-) * Live, bootleg, or solo albums will be counted, but not compilations. Here is the ranking system: 5 = What a great album, everybody should be required by law to own it 4 = It's really very good, I like most everything on it 3 = It has its ups and downs, but overall I like it 2 = It has some good points, but overall it's kind of weak 1 = I really don't like it much, it has few redeeming qualities 0 = Not worth the powder to blow it to hell. Note: if you feel that the strong points of an album are sufficient to outweigh any of its negative points, then you may rank the album higher than you would otherwise. (i.e. suppose some hypothetical BOC-L member, call him Matt, says "I really hate most of the album _Revolution by Night_, but I just love the song 'Light Years of Love' so much that I want to rank _RbN_ as a 4, in spite of my dislike of the rest of the album." This is an acceptable reason to rank it with the higher number.) Please rank them in the following format: 4 Blue Oyster Cult 2 Cultosaurus Erectus 3 Fire of Unknown Origin 5 Imaginos etc... I am appending a BOC discography to the end of this letter to assist people whose album collections are not available to them right now. I will not be using a fancy algorithm to determine the results, I will just be posting the total points each album received, and the average ranking each album received (where average ranking is equal to the total points the album received, divided by the number of times it was cited). Note that citing an album, and ranking it as a "0" will lower the album's average ranking, while failing to cite it will not. This poll will be in effect until 15-Oct-91. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve partial Blue Oyster Cult Discography (albums only) -------------------------------------------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult Transmaniacon MC I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep Then Came The Last Days Of May Stairway To The Stars Before The Kiss, A Redcap Screams She's As Beautiful As A Foot Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Workshop Of The Telescopes Redeemed 1973 Tyranny And Mutation The Red And The Black O.D.'d On Life Itself Hot Rails To Hell 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Baby Ice Dog Wings Wetted Down Mistress Of The Salmon Salts (Quicklime Girl) 1974 Secret Treaties Career Of Evil Subhuman Dominance And Submission ME 262 Cagey Cretins Harvester Of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Astronomy 1975 On Your Feet Or On Your Knees (live) Subhuman Harvester of Eyes Hot Rails to Hell Red and the Black 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Buck's Boogie Last Days of May Cities on Flame ME-262 Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Maserati GT Born to Be Wild 1976 Agents Of Fortune This Ain't The Summer Of Love True Confessions (Don't Fear) The Reaper E.T.I (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) The Revenge Of Vera Gemini Sinful Love Tattoo Vampire Morning Final Tenderloin Debbie Denise 1977 Spectres Godzilla Golden Age Of Leather Death Valley Nights Searchin' For Celine Fireworks R.U. Ready 2 Rock Celestial The Queen Goin' Through The Motions I Love The Night Nosferatu 1977 Some Enchanted Evening (live) R.U. Ready 2 Rock ETI Astronomy Kick Out The Jams Godzilla The Reaper We Gotta Get Outa This Place 1979 Mirrors Dr. Music The Great Sun Jester In Thee Mirrors Moon Crazy The Vigil I Am The Storm You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) Lonely Teardrops 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Divine Wind Deadline The Marshall Plan Hungry Boys Fallen Angel Lips In The Hills Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Sole Survivor Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver Vengeance (The Pact) After Dark Joan Crawford Don't Turn Your Back 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live (live) Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame Dr. Music The Red and The Black Joan Crawford Burnin For You Roadhouse Blues Black Blade Hot Rails to Hell Godzilla Veteran of The Psychic Wars ETI The Reaper 1983 Revolution By Night Take Me Away Eyes On Fire Shooting Shark Veins Shadow Of California Feel The Thunder Let Go Dragon Lady Light Years Of Love 1986 Club Ninja White Flags Dancin' In The Ruins Make Rock Not War Perfect Water Spy In The House Of The Night Beat 'Em Up When The War Comes Shadow Warrior Madness To The Method 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of Les Invisibles In The Presence Of Another World Del Rio's Song The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria Astronomy Magna Of Illusion Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos 1982 Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album) Born To Rock That Summer Night Cold Wind Your Loving Heart Five Thirty-Five Wind Weather and Storm All Tied Up Anwar's Theme Come Softly To Me From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 9 16:43:38 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB29486; Wed, 9 Oct 91 16:43:34 EDT Message-Id: <9110092043.AB29486@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5872; Wed, 09 Oct 91 16:42:46 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2099; Wed, 09 Oct 91 16:23:15 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 11:57:28 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Another non-existent Hawkwind record X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO At least mostly, I now have two copies of it. The "Golden Decade of Hawkwind CD" appears in record shop catalogues under the title and catalogue number we have in the Discography. I figured with that info I'd try ordering it. What arrived was "Night Riding" - another Hawkwind compilation which I already have. I guess I should have a) checked the catalogue number against all the CD's I have b) Been a bit more skeptical as to the accuracy of the Big Red Book catalogues supplied to record shops. If anyone is looking for a copy of this one..... FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 10 05:12:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20560; Thu, 10 Oct 91 05:12:40 EDT Message-Id: <9110100912.AA20560@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6963; Thu, 10 Oct 91 05:11:53 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4241; Thu, 10 Oct 91 05:11:51 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 09:53:42 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Hawkwind Live To: Steve Swann Status: RO Saw Hawkwind last night at the Batschkapp in Frankfurt. A small hall (ca.500 people) which goes to show that they are really not well known here. However I got there reasonably early in case it was sold out, plus there's a pub built on to the hall where most bands normally have a beer before playing, and I thought..well not my lucky day. Anyway I missed the opening band, Gypsy Kyss, who, I was informed were just an average hard rock band plus I missed the first couple of minutes of H/W. Don't know what the first song was but was quite heavy. Now as far as I can remember they played Warriors at the Edge of Time, Levitation, Hasan thingie (went down a storm with the crowd), and well, sorry but I can't remember (I'll try to do a full listing tomorrow). They did play a couple I had never heard before inculding their second encore which they introduced as a new one. It started off like Silver Machine (which I know they didn't play) then started to sound like Motorhead. But no, it was a new one. Overall it was a good gig (excellent light show) but they seem to have changed dramatically over the years, espcially since I first saw them (78) but I will see them again. Regarding the band, the only person that I could recognise was Dave Brock, but the bassist, who also handled all the vocals, looked like someone I've seen before but I just couldn't put a name to him. T-shirts were not very good, just a white one with Hawkwind on the front plus a colourful design and Palace Springs 1991 on the back (what does this mean?). But using some English charm on the young lady I managed to get their only Space Bandits 1989 British tour t-shirt. An enjoyable night out. Seb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 11 15:50:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23720; Fri, 11 Oct 91 15:50:03 EDT Message-Id: <9110111950.AA23720@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0152; Fri, 11 Oct 91 15:49:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9295; Fri, 11 Oct 91 15:47:04 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 14:41:33 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Initial poll results X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well, here they are, the best BOC songs chosen by this list. Thanks to everyone for participating. What I did for these first results is just add up all the points each song earned. Because there weren't a lot of entries, I have for first list hereafter considered all versions of a song as one. The list following that considers different versions for a song. The results for the average score a song scored should be forthcoming, perhaps Monday. ***************************************************************************** 53 Astronomy ***************************************************************************** 38 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 27 Burnin' for You 24 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 23 Then Came the Last Days of May 22 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 20 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 18 ME 262 17 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) ***************************************************************************** 16 Joan Crawford 16 I Am the Storm 16 Godzilla 15 The Vigil 15 Morning Final 15 Blue Oyster Cult 14 Vengeance (The Pact) 14 Buck's Boogie 14 Black Blade 13 Magna of Illusion 12 Fire of Unknown Origin 12 Dominance and Submission 11 Flaming Telepaths 10 White Flags 10 We Gotta Get out of This Place 10 The Red & the Black 10 Shooting Shark 10 In the Presence of Another World 10 Career of Evil 10 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) 9 The Great Sun Jester 9 Take Me Away 9 Perfect Water 9 Monsters 9 Harvester of Eyes 8 Unknown Tongue 8 Subhuman 8 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 8 Les Invisibles 7 Stairway to the Stars 7 Madness to the Method 5 Veins 5 Imaginos 5 I Love the Night 5 Golden Age of Leather 5 Death Valley Nights 5 Celestial the Queen 4 The Marshall Plan 4 Spy in the House of the Night 4 Shadow of California 4 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 4 Lips in the Hills 4 In Thee 4 Divine Wind 4 Dancin' in the Ruins 3 This Ain't the Summer of Love ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the list where each version of a song was considered individually: ***************************************************************************** 29 (Don't Fear) The Reaper ***************************************************************************** 23 Burnin' for You 20 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 20 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 19 Astronomy-SEE 19 Astronomy 18 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 16 I Am the Storm ***************************************************************************** 15 The Vigil 15 Morning Final 15 Blue Oyster Cult 15 Astronomy-I 14 Vengeance (The Pact) 14 Buck's Boogie 14 Black Blade 13 Then Came the Last Days of May 13 Magna of Illusion 13 ME 262 12 Joan Crawford 12 Godzilla-ETL 12 Fire of Unknown Origin 12 Dominance and Submission 11 Flaming Telepaths 10 White Flags 10 We Gotta Get out of This Place 10 Then Came the Last Days of May-OYFOOYK 10 The Red & the Black 10 Shooting Shark 10 In the Presence of Another World 10 Career of Evil 9 The Great Sun Jester 9 Take Me Away 9 Perfect Water 9 Monsters 9 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) 9 (Don't Fear) The Reaper-ETL 8 Unknown Tongue 8 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 8 Les Invisibles 7 Stairway to the Stars 7 Madness to the Method 5 Veins 5 Subhuman-OYFOOYK 5 ME 262-OYFOOYK 5 Imaginos 5 I Love the Night 5 Harvester of Eyes-OYFOOYK 5 Golden Age of Leather 5 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-SEE 5 Death Valley Nights 5 Celestial the Queen 5 Before the Kiss (a Redcap)-OYFOOYK 5 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) 4 Veteran of the Psychic Wars-ETL 4 The Marshall Plan 4 Spy in the House of the Night 4 Shadow of California 4 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 4 Lips in the Hills 4 Joan Crawford-ETL 4 In Thee 4 Harvester of Eyes 4 Godzilla-SEE 4 Divine Wind 4 Dancin' in the Ruins 4 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll-ETL 4 Burnin' for You-ETL 3 This Ain't the Summer of Love 3 Subhuman 3 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-ETL ***************************************************************************** Comments on the poll are welcome. If you would like the raw data, please send me a request for one. As I said before, the average score for each song is forthcoming. Andy ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 11 18:11:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00649; Fri, 11 Oct 91 18:11:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110112211.AA00649@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0451; Fri, 11 Oct 91 18:10:25 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7147; Fri, 11 Oct 91 18:05:43 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1991 15:29:48 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "The Real Paul Mather" Subject: Re: Hawkwind lyrics update X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo" at Oct 7, 91 11:21 am Status: RO Friends_of_Fernando_Poo writes: > The hawkwind lyrics work is nearly complete. I checked my entire collection over > the weekend for tracks still to be done. The score is > > 151 tracks complete > 13 tracks slightly incomplete > 5 tracks very incomplete > 6 tracks too unclear to get lyrics > 12 tracks left to do + 1 track seemingly ignored... :-) I refer, of course, to the near-complete lyrics I submitted for the track "Over The Top" ages and ages ago. I think you dismissed it at the time because you didn't want to consider what you called "jamming" tracks. Since then, though, you seemed to have considered inumerable jamming tracks and even non-Hawkwind-but-still-tenuously-related-to-them-via-a-single-member's- involvement tracks (e.g. the Dumpy's Rusty Nuts track "Hawkwind"). Should I be getting paranoid? Or is this an "innocent" oversight on your behalf? See you at the grassy knoll. Fnord, Paul. PS: Just spotted the track "Confrontation" on _Out and Intakes_ missing from the list. This is one of those "Some People Never Die"-type tracks. If you're trying to figure "SPND" then you ought to add "Confrontation" to the list. (Even if it's just to the "Too unclear to get lyrics" section.) e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. "Five Tons of Flax!" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 13 21:55:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01286; Sun, 13 Oct 91 21:54:59 EDT Message-Id: <9110140154.AA01286@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2221; Sun, 13 Oct 91 21:54:16 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5629; Sun, 13 Oct 91 21:54:15 EDT Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 21:48:24 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Hawkwind... :) To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well, I actually went home this weekend. While in a small record store, my girlfriend noticed a Hawkwind section in the vinals. (I believe her words were "Hawkwind...isn't that the group you like?") Flipping through there, I found a few anthologies, but I also found, for $5.99, the FIRST album. Needless to say it did not leave my hands once I saw it. The divider that seperated the different groups was labeled: HAWKWIND - Britian's premier burn-out band The store is located in Pompton Lakes, NJ and is called FLIP-SIDE records. Also, for anyone else from around North Jersey... Sound Exchange II on Rt. 23 has a good bit of Hawkwind CD's, for about $25 a piece. So does Mr. Mucks, also on Rt. 23. One more note... At the Mid-Hudson Civic Center this coming Saturday is going to be a record convention. I'll be there digging. 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Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 14 01:51:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA06881; Mon, 14 Oct 91 01:51:17 EDT Message-Id: <9110140551.AA06881@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2545; Mon, 14 Oct 91 01:50:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8729; Mon, 14 Oct 91 01:50:32 EDT Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1991 22:44:28 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chris Vacano Subject: Hawks in Arizona :) X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hi everybody, just noticed some postings on available Hawkwind and thought I'd toss in my two cents worth. At Zia Records, I've seen Master of the Universe and Doremi on CD for $25 (import) and $10 respectively. I've also seen several discs at Tower and East Side Records, although I'm afraid I don't recall specifics -- I only remember being extremely excited and nearly passing out :) If there's anything you'd like me to look for, I'm always looking for a reason to spend time at one of the three aforementioned shops. Happy Days, --------------------------------------------------------- "Sit back, Light up, never put a fight * * up, ** ** Sit there fuming till your face goes * ** * green. ***** ** Air-conditioned, micro-analyzed: *********** You're very nearly human, you're so well ****** ** disguised." **** -Hawkwind- ***** ** Courtesy of Christopher Vacano, lost some- ** where in the Arizona desert. From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 14 16:01:03 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00754; Mon, 14 Oct 91 16:00:59 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14191; Mon, 14 Oct 91 16:00:37 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Oct 91 16:00:37 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110142000.AA14191@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: *** Last call: BOC Album Poll *** Status: RO Hi folks, In case you were thinking of participating in the Great BOC Album Poll (tm), you should be aware that the deadline is tomorrow night: 15-Oct-91 and let's make it Midnight GMT, to give it the proper international flavor. :-) Here's a repeat of the 2nd (and what I lyingly called the "last") call for votes... - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- There have been a reasonable number of entries, but even among the more "prominent" members of this list, some of you are holding back. Don't! Participation makes the world go 'round. The Greek word from which we derived "idiot" was a reference to people who didn't participate in the political life of the polis (i.e. didn't vote). So vote, and don't be an idiot. :-) Participation is simple: * Send e-mail to me at the following address: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * Put "Poll Entry" or something to that effect in the Subject: line of the letter, so I can easily identify it. * Please rank all BOC albums that you own (or that you are that you very familiar with, i.e. your roommate, spouse, brother etc. owns a copy). * Please do not rank any album that you have only heard once, or that you haven't checked out because you've heard it was bad. :-) * Live, bootleg, or solo albums will be counted, but not compilations. Here is the ranking system: 5 = What a great album, everybody should be required by law to own it 4 = It's really very good, I like most everything on it 3 = It has its ups and downs, but overall I like it 2 = It has some good points, but overall it's kind of weak 1 = I really don't like it much, it has few redeeming qualities 0 = Not worth the powder to blow it to hell. Note: if you feel that the strong points of an album are sufficient to outweigh any of its negative points, then you may rank the album higher than you would otherwise. (i.e. suppose some hypothetical BOC-L member, call him Matt, says "I really hate most of the album _Revolution by Night_, but I just love the song 'Light Years of Love' so much that I want to rank _RbN_ as a 4, in spite of my dislike of the rest of the album." This is an acceptable reason to rank it with the higher number.) Please rank them in the following format: 4 Blue Oyster Cult 2 Cultosaurus Erectus 3 Fire of Unknown Origin 5 Imaginos etc... I am appending a BOC discography to the end of this letter to assist people whose album collections are not available to them right now. I will not be using a fancy algorithm to determine the results, I will just be posting the total points each album received, and the average ranking each album received (where average ranking is equal to the total points the album received, divided by the number of times it was cited). Note that citing an album, and ranking it as a "0" will lower the album's average ranking, while failing to cite it will not. This poll will be in effect until 15-Oct-91. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve partial Blue Oyster Cult Discography (albums only) -------------------------------------------------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult Transmaniacon MC I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep Then Came The Last Days Of May Stairway To The Stars Before The Kiss, A Redcap Screams She's As Beautiful As A Foot Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Workshop Of The Telescopes Redeemed 1973 Tyranny And Mutation The Red And The Black O.D.'d On Life Itself Hot Rails To Hell 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Baby Ice Dog Wings Wetted Down Mistress Of The Salmon Salts (Quicklime Girl) 1974 Secret Treaties Career Of Evil Subhuman Dominance And Submission ME 262 Cagey Cretins Harvester Of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Astronomy 1975 On Your Feet Or On Your Knees (live) Subhuman Harvester of Eyes Hot Rails to Hell Red and the Black 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Buck's Boogie Last Days of May Cities on Flame ME-262 Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Maserati GT Born to Be Wild 1976 Agents Of Fortune This Ain't The Summer Of Love True Confessions (Don't Fear) The Reaper E.T.I (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) The Revenge Of Vera Gemini Sinful Love Tattoo Vampire Morning Final Tenderloin Debbie Denise 1977 Spectres Godzilla Golden Age Of Leather Death Valley Nights Searchin' For Celine Fireworks R.U. Ready 2 Rock Celestial The Queen Goin' Through The Motions I Love The Night Nosferatu 1977 Some Enchanted Evening (live) R.U. Ready 2 Rock ETI Astronomy Kick Out The Jams Godzilla The Reaper We Gotta Get Outa This Place 1979 Mirrors Dr. Music The Great Sun Jester In Thee Mirrors Moon Crazy The Vigil I Am The Storm You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) Lonely Teardrops 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Divine Wind Deadline The Marshall Plan Hungry Boys Fallen Angel Lips In The Hills Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Sole Survivor Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver Vengeance (The Pact) After Dark Joan Crawford Don't Turn Your Back 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live (live) Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame Dr. Music The Red and The Black Joan Crawford Burnin For You Roadhouse Blues Black Blade Hot Rails to Hell Godzilla Veteran of The Psychic Wars ETI The Reaper 1983 Revolution By Night Take Me Away Eyes On Fire Shooting Shark Veins Shadow Of California Feel The Thunder Let Go Dragon Lady Light Years Of Love 1986 Club Ninja White Flags Dancin' In The Ruins Make Rock Not War Perfect Water Spy In The House Of The Night Beat 'Em Up When The War Comes Shadow Warrior Madness To The Method 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of Les Invisibles In The Presence Of Another World Del Rio's Song The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria Astronomy Magna Of Illusion Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos 1982 Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album) Born To Rock That Summer Night Cold Wind Your Loving Heart Five Thirty-Five Wind Weather and Storm All Tied Up Anwar's Theme Come Softly To Me From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 11:09:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02935; Tue, 15 Oct 91 11:09:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110151509.AA02935@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4319; Tue, 15 Oct 91 11:08:25 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3812; Tue, 15 Oct 91 10:26:56 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 23:19:08 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Paranoia part2 To: Steve Swann Status: RO Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the opening guitar riff to Hawkwind's Paranoia Part II sounds like "Politician" by Cream? -=Dan º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º |Dan Newcombe | Bitnet: º Internet: | Prodigy | ºPO BOX 3-1150 º KK4D@MARISTB | KK4D@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU º CJSJ08B º |Marist College | STDN@MARISTB º STDN@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU |-=-=-=-=-=| ºPoughkeepsie, NYº STDN@MARIST | STDN@VM.MARIST.EDU º## O O ##º | 12601| GRDN@MARIST º GRDN@VM.MARIST.EDU |# /\ #| | **Snail Mail** | URDN@MARISTC | URDN@MARISTC.MARIST.EDU |# \____/ #| º-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=º |'The sun is in the east, even though the day is done... 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Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 12:41:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA06549; Tue, 15 Oct 91 12:41:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110151641.AA06549@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4768; Tue, 15 Oct 91 12:40:23 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9356; Tue, 15 Oct 91 12:40:11 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 09:16:02 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: More BOC Poll Results To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 12 Oct 1991 12:22:12 CDT from Status: RO Thanks to Andy for the interesting song poll results! >From the ratings on "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," "Burnin' For You," and "Then Came the Last Days of May," I'd say we have some Buck Dharma fans on the list. :-) My own top song with Buck on vocals is "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)." One of the things BOC does incredibly well is build stories out of bizarre images and quirky characters, and "Before the Kiss" is one of the best of those. (Hey, so is "Astronomy," of course. :-) JB From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 15:35:17 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB13747; Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:35:11 EDT Message-Id: <9110151935.AB13747@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5424; Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:34:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5903; Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:19:10 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 11:35:42 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Paranoia part2 X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the opening guitar >riff to Hawkwind's Paranoia Part II sounds like "Politician" by >Cream? > -=Dan Aw, you're just paranoid . . . :-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 16:05:19 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB14888; Tue, 15 Oct 91 16:05:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110152005.AB14888@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5567; Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:59:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8096; Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:48:19 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 13:40:00 +1000 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Rush Are Gods Subject: why I ain't voting X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I don't own enough albums yet.... adam RushBlueOysterCultMarillionGDeadTullZeppelinFishJourneyHawkwindYesMetallicaFloyd | | | > > > adam williams c9036973@wombat.newcastle.edu.au < < < | | | OrsonScottCardTanithLeeGuyGavrielKayKWJeterEllisonPKDickDavidGemmellCharlesDLint From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 18:33:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20800; Tue, 15 Oct 91 18:33:00 EDT Message-Id: <9110152233.AA20800@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6007; Tue, 15 Oct 91 18:32:10 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6958; Tue, 15 Oct 91 18:12:58 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 11:19:30 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Topical twenty To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO >Subject: Re: Topical twenty > >>Given what's happened to the Solicitor General in the UK, how >>about asking Charisma to rerelease Hawkwind's "Kerb Crawler" single? > >I'm almost afraid to ask about this one... > >:-) The official title here is the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). Basically he's the head honcho in English (not Scottish) Law and has the final say on whether folks get prosecuted. Last week sometime, he was stopped by Police in an area behind Kings Cross Station in London. This area is apparently a known haunt of prostitutes. He was cautioned for "kerb-crawling" which was recently made a crime in England. He resigned the next morning. This all caused something of a political storm here. > >Steve FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 20:49:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25450; Tue, 15 Oct 91 20:48:59 EDT Message-Id: <9110160048.AA25450@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6386; Tue, 15 Oct 91 20:48:12 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7418; Tue, 15 Oct 91 19:51:48 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 15:47:32 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Anthony A. Datri" Subject: Crappy CD's X-To: boc-l%ubvm.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I'm suprised that I haven't seen mention here of the terrible quality of the BOC CD's -- at least the early ones, like BOC and Secret Treaties. Comments? From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 15 23:01:11 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29770; Tue, 15 Oct 91 23:01:05 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25088; Tue, 15 Oct 91 23:01:01 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 23:01:01 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110160301.AA25088@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: *** Results: BOC Album Poll *** Status: RO Hi folks, Here it is, the outcome of The Great BOC Album Poll. :-) There were 25 polls submitted. (That's just a little less than 1/3 of our total membership - not bad, people. :-) The majority of the poll entries were very complete, lacking only a few albums. Anyway, here's the key to the results. As I promised, there is some considerable detail there: Tot. = Total number of points received (rank = points, a "5" is worth 5 pts) Vts. = Total number of people who submitted a vote for the album Ave. = Tot. / Vts. Here we go! (And I hope you all have 80-column displays, because this only -just- fits! :-) Album name | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Tot. | Vts. | Ave. ----------------------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------ 1. Imaginos | 14 | 5 | - | 2 | - | 94 | 21 | 4.48 2. Fire of Unknown Origin | 8 | 12 | 3 | - | - | 97 | 23 | 4.22 3. Secret Treaties | 8 | 6 | 7 | - | - | 85 | 21 | 4.05 ----------------------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------ 4. Blue Oyster Cult | 6 | 4 | 9 | - | - | 73 | 19 | 3.84 5. On Your Feet Or On | | | | | | | | Your Knees *| 6 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 68 | 18 | 3.78 6. Agents of Fortune | 3 | 12 | 4 | 2 | - | 79 | 21 | 3.76 7. Tyrrany & Mutation | 6 | 5 | 6 | 3 | - | 74 | 20 | 3.70 8. Some Enchanted Evening *| 6 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 76 | 21 | 3.62 9. Cultosaurus Erectus | 4 | 7 | 8 | 2 | - | 76 | 21 | 3.62 10. Extraterrestrial Live *| 5 | 7 | 3 | 5 | - | 72 | 20 | 3.60 11. Mirrors | 3 | 7 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 61 | 17 | 3.59 12. Spectres | 1 | 7 | 8 | 3 | - | 63 | 19 | 3.32 13. The Revolution by Night | - | 5 | 12 | - | 1 | 57 | 18 | 3.17 ----------------------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------+------+------ 14. Club Ninja | 2 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 50 | 18 | 2.78 15. Flat Out *| - | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 30 | (12) | 2.50 A few notes on the poll results: (1) The purpose of the divider lines is obvious, I think. It separates the albums that scored in each range: 4's, 3's and 2's. (2) The asterisked items (*) indicate "special" albums: the three live releases, and Buck Dharma's solo project. I am presuming that everyone knows which is which. :-) (3) The parenthetical (12) listed for the number of votes given to Buck Dharma's _Flat Out_ is to indicate that there was a "0" given for it, which is not listed, because there is no column for 0's. That is because Flat Out was the only album to receive a 0, and it seemed useless to have a column just for that. (4) There was only one bootleg submitted for the poll: Live in NY, '72. It was rated at 4 & 5. I didn't include it in the chart because I didn't feel that 2 people (even BOC-L members :-) were a sufficient sample to be statistically meaningful. But now you know that it exists, and that "some people" rate it as excellent. For comparison, they also gave these live album ratings: SEE: 5 & 5, OYFOOYK: 4 & 5, and ETL: 5 & 5. Well, that's it! Thanks to everyone who took the time to participate, and I hope you all found the results as interesting (as startling?) as I did. Should provide some food for discussion, eh? :-) So now, who's ready for the Great Hawkwind Album Poll? - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 00:11:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02052; Wed, 16 Oct 91 00:11:37 EDT Message-Id: <9110160411.AA02052@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7068; Wed, 16 Oct 91 00:10:41 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9491; Wed, 16 Oct 91 00:06:16 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 20:14:52 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: pc Subject: Hawkwind tapes X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110160305.AA04590@bertha.pyramid.com>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 15, 91 11:01 pm Status: RO I'm looking to expand my collection of live Hawkwind a bit. I have a small amount of Hawkwind to trade as well as lots of stuff by other artists. Basically I am looking for tapes of bootleg albums (if they sound good), stealth tapes, or maybe some radio broadcasts. If you are interested in a trade, drop me a line and we can work out the details. pc -- -m--------- Patrick Connor Pyramid Technology ---mmm------- (415) 335-8819 1295 Charleston Rd. -----mmmmm----- pc@pyramid.com -or- Mountain View, CA -------mmmmmmm--- uunet!pyramid!pc 94043 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 03:54:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07798; Wed, 16 Oct 91 03:54:01 EDT Message-Id: <9110160754.AA07798@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7361; Wed, 16 Oct 91 03:53:15 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4383; Wed, 16 Oct 91 03:53:14 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 00:52:07 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chris Subject: Hawkwind album poll X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Our Humble Moderator writes: >So who's ready for the great Hawkwind album poll? Well, Steven, let's get to it! :) --------------------------------------------------------- "Sit back, Light up, never put a fight * * up, ** ** Sit there fuming till your face goes * ** * green. ***** ** Air-conditioned, micro-analyzed: *********** You're very nearly human, you're so well ****** ** disguised." **** -Hawkwind- ***** ** Courtesy of Christopher Vacano, lost some- ** where in the Arizona desert. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 09:33:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15345; Wed, 16 Oct 91 09:33:27 EDT Message-Id: <9110161333.AA15345@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7850; Wed, 16 Oct 91 09:32:36 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1704; Wed, 16 Oct 91 09:30:41 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 09:23:06 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: *** Results: BOC Album Poll *** X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110160305.AA17598@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 15, 91 11:01 pm Status: RO > 12. Spectres | 1 | 7 | 8 | 3 | - | 63 | 19 | 3.32 I'll start by saying it appears that I'm the one who gave this album a 5. When I bought a CD player a few years ago, this was the first disk I bought. C'mon people! The Golden Age of Leather? I Love the Night? Celestial the Queen? Nosferatu? Jeez. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 11:01:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18235; Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:01:18 EDT Message-Id: <9110161501.AA18235@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8201; Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:00:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7266; Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:00:26 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 10:54:05 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Hawkwind album poll X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >Our Humble Moderator writes: >>So who's ready for the great Hawkwind album poll? >Well, Steven, let's get to it! :-) AMEN!!! From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 11:07:11 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18395; Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:07:10 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19992; Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:07:06 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:07:06 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110161507.AA19992@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: The poll results... Status: RO Chip points out: 12. Spectres | 1 | 7 | 8 | 3 | - | 63 | 19 | 3.32 I'll start by saying it appears that I'm the one who gave this album a 5. When I bought a CD player a few years ago, this was the first disk I bought. C'mon people! The Golden Age of Leather? I Love the Night? Celestial the Queen? Nosferatu? Jeez. Well, as long as the discussion of this has already begun, I'd like to point out that Spectres was the second-greatest surprize to me in these results (Imaginos was the first). I thought Spectres would easily trash Mirrors, T & M, and the first album. Wow, did I ever underestimate the power of the "old guard" BOC fans on this group. :-) Another thing that became very apparent is that the people on this group are BIG fans of live music, especially the really rip-roaring kind. - yHM :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 12:16:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21301; Wed, 16 Oct 91 12:16:22 EDT Message-Id: <9110161616.AA21301@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8529; Wed, 16 Oct 91 12:15:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1835; Wed, 16 Oct 91 12:13:59 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 12:04:27 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: The poll results... X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110161509.AA22841@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 16, 91 11:07 am Status: RO > Well, as long as the discussion of this has already begun, I'd like to point > out that Spectres was the second-greatest surprize to me in these results > (Imaginos was the first). I thought Spectres would easily trash Mirrors, > T & M, and the first album. Wow, did I ever underestimate the power of the > "old guard" BOC fans on this group. :-) And I didn't dare admit that I like Mirrors too! The Vigil, Great Sun Jester, I LOVE that stuff. The only album I found to be better was Agents of Fortune. I, too, was surprised at Imaginos. I thought FOUO would easily place first, given its popularity. > Another thing that became very apparent is that the people on this group > are BIG fans of live music, especially the really rip-roaring kind. And, just for the sake of argument, I don't think I gave any of their live stuff anything higher than a 3 (and I own Live in NYC '72...). -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a women's man, no time to talk... From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 14:52:04 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB27752; Wed, 16 Oct 91 14:51:56 EDT Message-Id: <9110161851.AB27752@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9116; Wed, 16 Oct 91 14:51:04 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0526; Wed, 16 Oct 91 14:49:21 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 13:47:15 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Hawkwind album poll X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110161501.AA00520@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Guido Vacano" at Oct 16, 91 10:54 am Status: R > >Our Humble Moderator writes: > > >>So who's ready for the great Hawkwind album poll? > > >Well, Steven, let's get to it! :-) > > AMEN!!! > Excuse me, but isn't it kind of useless to rate a band's albums when 75% of them are live recordings? ;-) Andy BOC fan -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 16 18:44:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07425; Wed, 16 Oct 91 18:43:59 EDT Message-Id: <9110162243.AA07425@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9733; Wed, 16 Oct 91 18:43:11 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2354; Wed, 16 Oct 91 18:19:12 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 14:41:56 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out west Subject: Hawkwind poll X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: R Perhaps Andy is correct, therefore, I propose we limit it to studio or "official" releases, thereby eliminating a good segment of the live material, while still addressing the core of Hawkwind albums... if that doesn't work, we could have our poll regulator, whoever may be so brave :-), set a specific group of albums from which we could rate the ones we know. Just my two cents, whatever that's worth. (sorry, Guido ;)) --------------------------------------------------------- "Sit back, Light up, never put a fight * * up, ** ** Sit there fuming till your face goes * ** * green. ***** ** Air-conditioned, micro-analyzed: *********** You're very nearly human, you're so well ****** ** disguised." **** -Hawkwind- ***** ** Courtesy of Christopher Vacano, lost some- ** where in the Arizona desert. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 12 13:24:34 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19067; Sat, 12 Oct 91 13:24:27 EDT Message-Id: <9110121724.AA19067@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1231; Sat, 12 Oct 91 13:23:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3793; Sat, 12 Oct 91 13:23:40 EDT Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 12:22:12 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: More BOC Poll Results X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Ok, I have two more reports. The first rates the songs by the number of votes each received, regardless of what rating it was. As before, the first list is considering all versions of the song as one. The second list is considering different versions of songs. The second report gives the average rating each song received. This category is rather useless because if I thought Veins was a '5' (which I do) it's still going to be ahead of BOC's unquestionably greatest song ever conceived, produced and recorded (Astronomy obviously), which some..ahem.."fans" rated as a '4', bringing down its average. There are two lists in this report also, same deal as before. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 11 Astronomy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 8 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 6 Burnin' for You 5 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 5 Then Came the Last Days of May 5 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 4 The Vigil 4 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 4 ME 262 4 Joan Crawford 4 I Am the Storm 4 Godzilla 4 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 3 Vengeance (The Pact) 3 Morning Final 3 Magna of Illusion 3 Flaming Telepaths 3 Fire of Unknown Origin 3 Dominance and Submission 3 Career of Evil 3 Buck's Boogie 3 Blue Oyster Cult 3 Black Blade 2 White Flags 2 We Gotta Get out of This Place 2 Unknown Tongue 2 The Red & the Black 2 The Great Sun Jester 2 Take Me Away 2 Subhuman 2 Stairway to the Stars 2 Shooting Shark 2 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 2 Perfect Water 2 Monsters 2 Madness to the Method 2 Les Invisibles 2 In the Presence of Another World 2 Harvester of Eyes 2 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) 1 Veins 1 This Ain't the Summer of Love 1 The Marshall Plan 1 Spy in the House of the Night 1 Shadow of California 1 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 1 Lips in the Hills 1 In Thee 1 Imaginos 1 I Love the Night 1 Golden Age of Leather 1 Divine Wind 1 Death Valley Nights 1 Dancin' in the Ruins 1 Celestial the Queen %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 6 (Don't Fear) The Reaper %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 5 Burnin' for You 4 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 4 The Vigil 4 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 4 I Am the Storm 4 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 4 Astronomy-SEE 4 Astronomy %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 3 Vengeance (The Pact) 3 Then Came the Last Days of May 3 Morning Final 3 Magna of Illusion 3 ME 262 3 Joan Crawford 3 Godzilla-ETL 3 Flaming Telepaths 3 Fire of Unknown Origin 3 Dominance and Submission 3 Career of Evil 3 Buck's Boogie 3 Blue Oyster Cult 3 Black Blade 3 Astronomy-I 2 White Flags 2 We Gotta Get out of This Place 2 Unknown Tongue 2 Then Came the Last Days of May-OYFOOYK 2 The Red & the Black 2 The Great Sun Jester 2 Take Me Away 2 Stairway to the Stars 2 Shooting Shark 2 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 2 Perfect Water 2 Monsters 2 Madness to the Method 2 Les Invisibles 2 In the Presence of Another World 2 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) 2 (Don't Fear) The Reaper-ETL 1 Veteran of the Psychic Wars-ETL 1 Veins 1 This Ain't the Summer of Love 1 The Marshall Plan 1 Subhuman-OYFOOYK 1 Subhuman 1 Spy in the House of the Night 1 Shadow of California 1 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 1 ME 262-OYFOOYK 1 Lips in the Hills 1 Joan Crawford-ETL 1 In Thee 1 Imaginos 1 I Love the Night 1 Harvester of Eyes-OYFOOYK 1 Harvester of Eyes 1 Golden Age of Leather 1 Godzilla-SEE 1 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-SEE 1 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-ETL 1 Divine Wind 1 Death Valley Nights 1 Dancin' in the Ruins 1 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll-ETL 1 Celestial the Queen 1 Burnin' for You-ETL 1 Before the Kiss (a Redcap)-OYFOOYK 1 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 2nd Report: Averages for songs---- 5.00 White Flags 5.00 We Gotta Get out of This Place 5.00 Veins 5.00 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 5.00 The Red & the Black 5.00 Shooting Shark 5.00 Morning Final 5.00 In the Presence of Another World 5.00 Imaginos 5.00 I Love the Night 5.00 Golden Age of Leather 5.00 Death Valley Nights 5.00 Celestial the Queen 5.00 Blue Oyster Cult 5.00 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) 4.82 Astronomy 4.80 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 4.75 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 4.67 Vengeance (The Pact) 4.67 Buck's Boogie 4.67 Black Blade 4.60 Then Came the Last Days of May 4.50 The Great Sun Jester 4.50 Take Me Away 4.50 Perfect Water 4.50 Monsters 4.50 ME 262 4.50 Harvester of Eyes 4.50 Burnin' for You 4.40 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 4.33 Magna of Illusion 4.25 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) 4.00 Unknown Tongue 4.00 The Marshall Plan 4.00 Subhuman 4.00 Spy in the House of the Night 4.00 Shadow of California 4.00 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 4.00 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 4.00 Lips in the Hills 4.00 Les Invisibles 4.00 Joan Crawford 4.00 In Thee 4.00 I Am the Storm 4.00 Godzilla 4.00 Fire of Unknown Origin 4.00 Dominance and Submission 4.00 Divine Wind 4.00 Dancin' in the Ruins 3.75 The Vigil 3.67 Flaming Telepaths 3.50 Stairway to the Stars 3.50 Madness to the Method 3.33 Career of Evil 3.00 This Ain't the Summer of Love 5.00 White Flags 5.00 We Gotta Get out of This Place 5.00 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 5.00 Veins 5.00 Then Came the Last Days of May-OYFOOYK 5.00 The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria 5.00 The Red & the Black 5.00 Subhuman-OYFOOYK 5.00 Shooting Shark 5.00 Morning Final 5.00 ME 262-OYFOOYK 5.00 In the Presence of Another World 5.00 Imaginos 5.00 I Love the Night 5.00 Harvester of Eyes-OYFOOYK 5.00 Golden Age of Leather 5.00 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-SEE 5.00 Death Valley Nights 5.00 Celestial the Queen 5.00 Blue Oyster Cult 5.00 Before the Kiss (a Redcap)-OYFOOYK 5.00 Before the Kiss (a Redcap) 5.00 Astronomy-I 4.83 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 4.75 Astronomy-SEE 4.75 Astronomy 4.67 Vengeance (The Pact) 4.67 Buck's Boogie 4.67 Black Blade 4.60 Burnin' for You 4.50 The Great Sun Jester 4.50 Take Me Away 4.50 Perfect Water 4.50 Monsters 4.50 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) 4.50 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll 4.50 (Don't Fear) The Reaper-ETL 4.33 Then Came the Last Days of May 4.33 Magna of Illusion 4.33 ME 262 4.00 Veteran of the Psychic Wars-ETL 4.00 Unknown Tongue 4.00 The Marshall Plan 4.00 Spy in the House of the Night 4.00 Shadow of California 4.00 R.U. Ready 2 Rock (SEE) 4.00 Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 4.00 Lips in the Hills 4.00 Les Invisibles 4.00 Joan Crawford-ETL 4.00 Joan Crawford 4.00 In Thee 4.00 I Am the Storm 4.00 Harvester of Eyes 4.00 Godzilla-SEE 4.00 Godzilla-ETL 4.00 Fire of Unknown Origin 4.00 Dominance and Submission 4.00 Divine Wind 4.00 Dancin' in the Ruins 4.00 Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll-ETL 4.00 Burnin' for You-ETL 3.75 The Vigil 3.67 Flaming Telepaths 3.50 Stairway to the Stars 3.50 Madness to the Method 3.33 Career of Evil 3.00 This Ain't the Summer of Love 3.00 Subhuman 3.00 E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-ETL -- Again, send comments about the poll or requests for raw data to ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew J. Will). Thanks again to all who participated, roughly 12 out of 80+ people on this list. Very good! Andy. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 17 15:22:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16015; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:22:12 EDT Message-Id: <9110171922.AA16015@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1999; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:21:06 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3450; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:20:11 EDT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 14:41:42 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "The Real Paul Mather" Subject: The Great Hawkwind Album Poll X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Oct 15, 91 11:01 pm Status: RO Steve writes: > So now, who's ready for the Great Hawkwind Album Poll? Please Steve, don't even joke about this... ;-) e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 17 15:26:20 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16189; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:26:14 EDT Message-Id: <9110171926.AA16189@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2064; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:25:20 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3698; Thu, 17 Oct 91 15:22:21 EDT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 14:52:54 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "The Real Paul Mather" Subject: Re: *** Results: BOC Album Poll *** X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Chip Hart" at Oct 16, 91 9:23 am Status: RO Chip Hart writes: > > 12. Spectres | 1 | 7 | 8 | 3 | - | 63 | 19 | 3.32 > > I'll start by saying it appears that I'm the one who gave this > album a 5. When I bought a CD player a few years ago, this > was the first disk I bought. C'mon people! I didn't think it'd be long before the recriminations started. You know, like "C'mon, own up, who was it that only gave _On Your Feet Or On Your Knees_ a score of 1?" and so on. :) I only hope that nobody asks about who gave _The Revolution By Night_ only 1 point... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. "There's nowt so queer as folk." From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 18 13:03:27 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27018; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:03:20 EDT Message-Id: <9110181703.AA27018@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5318; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:02:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3148; Fri, 18 Oct 91 12:21:01 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 11:05:07 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Lester I. McCann" Subject: BOC live! X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters! BOC played in Moorhead, MN (just across the Red River from Fargo, ND, for you geographical illiterates :-)) last night. The scheduling was a little odd, if you ask me. This was the 4th time I'd seen BOC live; the three previous times were announced well in advance. This performance was announced less than a week in advance; in fact, I found out about it when I biked past Mother's Records and saw the sign "BOC Tickets" in their display window. This was their first appearance in Fargo-Moorhead since 1980, I was told. Enough of the set-up. The local band The Detonators opened at 9. They're fairly popular, but it was clear that crowd hadn't paid $12 to see *them*. A note to all the concert schedulers in the crowd: Schedule the opening band at 8 on weeknights, OK? With the 9:00 start, BOC didn't finish until after 12:30. Makes it hard to get up at 7, y'know? BOC hit the stage a little after 11. The playlist: Stairway to the Stars Dominance and Submission Before the Kiss E.T.I. Buck's Boogie Take Me Away Cities on Flame Last Days of May Career of Evil Unknown Tongue (yeah!) Burnin' for You Godzilla Don't Fear The Reaper And the encore: Astronomy The Red and The Black In my experience, a fairly normal playlist, though this was the first time I'd heard them play Unknown Tongue. It's a personal favorite, so it was a nice surprise. No mention was made of any new album last night. In my three previous BOC concerts, I'd purchased a T-shirt. It seemed a shame to break a perfectly good streak, so I bought another. This time they had a white T-shirt with a large eyeball on the front (BOC symbol in the center) and the Cultosaurus Erectus head on the back, with a little spaceship under it. The description doesn't do the design justice. After having choices of "black, black, or black" the other times, a white shirt was a nice option. Whoever designed the shirt put the copyright line in yellow ink. Let me tell you, tiny yellow lettering doesn't show up real well on the white background. The copyright date is either 1981 or 1991 by New Oyster Cult, as usual. I figure it's gotta be '91. One other tidbit: I sat with a couple who are BOC fans from way back. The woman told me she'd last seen them at the MN State Fair in 1976. As she tells it, the grounds were so muddy that they moved into a superheated building and one of the band members passed out from the heat! She didn't get to hear a full performance. True to form, with the late start last night, she had to get to work by midnight and couldn't stick around for the end of this one, either. To close, I've got a question. When Buck introduced Last Days of May, he claimed it was a true story about three guys from NY who went to Mexico to buy marijuana. Anyone got any more to that story? Lester McCann mccann@plains.nodak.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 18 13:29:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28463; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:29:03 EDT Message-Id: <9110181729.AA28463@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5421; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:28:12 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4333; Fri, 18 Oct 91 12:33:11 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 12:19:00 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: The Great Hawkwind Album Poll To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Re a hawkwind album poll. A few initial thoughts: We'd best include the EP's so that Paul can vote for the Sonic Assassins one :-) I'd think that voting could be seperate for live and studio albums. Would videos be included? What would the vote on sound quality entail? Just how technically good the recording was, or how much it epitomises a live Hawkwind gig? Given the number of compilation albums there are, a factor would be how well the tracks on an LP match each other, or maybe how well the "history" albums actually do give a good idea of Hawkwind's development. Then we need to decide if the "Anthology", "Acid Daze" (LP or CD?) and "Official Log" need to be viewed as 3 seperate LP's or as one set. I'm pretty sure Brian Tawn did a Hawkfan poll sometime in recent years. I can't remember if it was tracks or albums though. I'll take a look and see. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 18 13:32:40 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28771; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:32:35 EDT Message-Id: <9110181732.AA28771@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5478; Fri, 18 Oct 91 13:31:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4444; Fri, 18 Oct 91 12:34:09 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 12:28:30 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: New Hawkwind Lyrics book To: Steve Swann Status: RO Just got a copy of the Sonic Attack single this morning :-) :-) :-) Had to get a mortgage to pay for it though :-( Anyway, i got a letter from Gigi Marinoni C.P.190 20025 Legnano MI Italy He's doing a series of music books and his latest is "Hawkwind: The Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords". The book has an introduction by Brian Tawn of Hawkwind Feedback, about 50 song lyrics (I've a feeling that Brian said that they wouldn't repeat anything in the Lyrics Book), some photos and drawings, and a complete discography. It's written in English with Italian translations. There's also a 30 minute CD of unreleased live material, contributed by Dave Brock. Gigi asks, 20000 Italian Lira for the package. Not sure how much that actually is yet. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 20 14:06:00 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07212; Sun, 20 Oct 91 14:05:56 EDT Message-Id: <9110201805.AA07212@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4673; Sun, 20 Oct 91 14:05:12 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2333; Sun, 20 Oct 91 14:05:11 EDT Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1991 14:04:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Renegade Subject: Imaginos References X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I'm aware of a number of _Imaginos_-related songs on BOC's albums; I was wondering if you folks might not know the full list & the references within each song to Imaginos/Desdinova. Any help would be appreciated! -Renegade rkr103@psuvm.psu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 15:14:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26277; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:14:09 EDT Message-Id: <9110211914.AA26277@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6786; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:13:17 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0732; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:12:25 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 15:03:50 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Intro to BOC-L X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO The Hawkwind Poll by Brian Tawn had several categories: Best Album Worst Album Best Compilation Worst Compilation Best Track Worst Track The Albums were voted on a 5 points,4,3,2,1 basis and the tracks from a 10 down basis. If it's of interest, I'll publish the resulta after our poll. Brian also counted the triple sets (Anthology, Acid daze, Official Log) as one record for purposes of voting. Personally I'd rather split a best tracks vote into various categories like most musical track, best live track, most mellow track etc, best track to have used as a single etc. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 15:17:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26367; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:17:20 EDT Message-Id: <9110211917.AA26367@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6849; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:16:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0928; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:14:30 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 15:14:42 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Stop Press - New hawkwind LP X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well sorta. There's a limited edition (500) LP available from: Ande Tucker The Haven Four Forks Lane Spaxton Bridgewater Somerset TA5 1AD England It's called "The Golden Void" and is a pressing of part of the Glasgow 19/10/82 concert. I was at the concert and it was absolutely excellent. The tracks are: Choose Your masks Coded Languages Magnu Dust of Time Waiting for Tomorrow Angels of Death Ghost Dance The Golden Void Psychedelic Warlords Cost is 13 Pounds Ande also has the metal Classics tape "Best of Hawkwind" for 20 Pounds and the "Space Rock From London" CD for 20 Pounds. Prices include P&P and Recodrded Delivery in UK Europe: 12"/LP/ 1.65 pounds CD/Cass 1.00 pounds World: 12"/LP 8.50 pounds CD/Cass 4.75 pounds From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 15:20:44 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26495; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:20:37 EDT Message-Id: <9110211920.AA26495@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6907; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:19:54 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1045; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:15:21 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 18:18:03 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: "The Real Paul Mather" Subject: Re: New Hawkwind Lyrics book X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "FoFP" at Oct 18, 91 12:28 pm Status: RO FoFP writes: > He's doing a series of music books and his latest is "Hawkwind: The > Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords". The book has an introduction > by Brian Tawn of Hawkwind Feedback, about 50 song lyrics (I've a feeling > that Brian said that they wouldn't repeat anything in the Lyrics Book), > some photos and drawings, and a complete discography. It's written in > English with Italian translations. There's also a 30 minute CD of > unreleased live material, contributed by Dave Brock. > > Gigi asks, 20000 Italian Lira for the package. Not sure how much that > actually is yet. Roughly ten quid. Not bad value when you think of it. (Of course that doesn't include the currency conversion surcharges the bank rips you off for when trying to get 20000 lire in a sendable form.:) I think Girobank have the lowest surcharge when obtaining *cheques* made out in foreign currencies. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 15:28:34 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB26847; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:28:28 EDT Message-Id: <9110211928.AB26847@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6978; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:27:45 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1780; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:23:03 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 12:21:03 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out west Subject: Re: New Hawkwind Lyrics book To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 21 Oct 1991 18:18:03 BST from Status: RO Hi guys, Please forgive my ignorance of recent currency values, but could someone tell me what that translates to in rough dollars and cents? (American) Mucho appreciado, or something like that:) Laters. --------------------------------------------------------- "Sit back, Light up, never put a fight * * up, ** ** Sit there fuming till your face goes * ** * green. ***** ** Air-conditioned, micro-analyzed: *********** You're very nearly human, you're so well ****** ** disguised." **** -Hawkwind- ***** ** Courtesy of Christopher Vacano, lost some- ** where in the Arizona desert. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 15:56:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28027; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:56:18 EDT Message-Id: <9110211956.AA28027@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7102; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:55:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3321; Mon, 21 Oct 91 15:55:19 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 15:51:36 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Intro to BOC-L X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Re the Hawkwind music poll: >Personally I'd rather split a best tracks vote into various categories like >most musical track, best live track, most mellow track etc, best track to have >used as a single etc. >FoFP That's a nice idea, but I think it's a wee bit complicated, especially since a large number of the BOC-L subscribers are not Hawkwind fanatics, and many do not have a lot of the albums. Let's keep it simple, and follow Brian Tawn's basic scheme. :-) From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 18:12:46 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03816; Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:12:38 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18315; Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:09:28 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:09:28 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110212209.AA18315@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Regarding the HW poll... Status: RO FoFP informs us: > The Hawkwind Poll by Brian Tawn had several categories: > > Best Album > Worst Album > Best Compilation > Worst Compilation > Best Track > Worst Track You see, this is a different sort of poll than I had in mind. I am not really interested in finding out what people jusdge to be the best or worst albums or whatever, I am more interested in how people view the quality of them relative to one another. >The Albums were voted on a 5 points,4,3,2,1 basis and the tracks from a 10 >down basis. If it's of interest, I'll publish the resulta after our poll. I assume you mean that the "favorite" album that you list receives 5 points, and the "second favorite" receives 4, etc. I don't like that method, because it establishes an arbitrary "level of difference" between the albums, whereas in fact, you may feel that both of your top two favorites deserve 5 points each, and your third favorite is only worth 2. Unlikely I know, but certainly possible, especially with a band as "mutable" as Hawkwind. :-) >Brian also counted the triple sets (Anthology, Acid daze, Official Log) as >one record for purposes of voting. I prefer to judge them seperately. If they are all of equal value, give them the same rating (possible under my voting method, as you will recall). I will be posting the rules for the Hawkwind Album Poll shortly. >Personally I'd rather split a best tracks vote into various categories like >most musical track, best live track, most mellow track etc, best track to have >used as a single etc. I believe some separation of categories is called for, certainly more so than with BOC. I'll decide soon. I would like to see the results of that Hawkfan poll, but I agree that they should be held until we finish out in-house poll, so as not to prejudice the results. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 21 18:19:03 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA04153; Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:18:57 EDT Message-Id: <9110212218.AA04153@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7553; Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:18:12 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0550; Mon, 21 Oct 91 18:18:11 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 18:21:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "The Eternal [=- Hawkwind -=] World Tour" Subject: the HW poll specs To: Steve Swann Status: RO I agree with OHM-Steve, and that the Hawkwind Poll should at least follow the specifications of the BOC Poll, where one doesn't rank the albums, but rather assigns them value-weights.. I myself thought a few of the BOC albums rated 5's, some 4's, 3's etc etc Then if you want to assign recording/production/mixing quality scales.. - Alv From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 22 17:51:49 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB23140; Tue, 22 Oct 91 17:51:17 EDT Message-Id: <9110222151.AB23140@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9684; Tue, 22 Oct 91 17:45:33 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1086; Tue, 22 Oct 91 16:55:26 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 14:39:44 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind Lyrics etc. To: Steve Swann Status: RO I now have the lyrics for "Confrontation" which I guess to have been read out from a newspaper report of the "Battle of the Beanfield" in 1985. That leaves "Valium Ten", "Douglas in the Jungle", "Ghost Dance", and "Black Hole in Space" to go. Ande Tucker says he's been sent lyrics sometime way back and will try to find 'em. I've sent out for Gigi Marinoni's book, so hopefully that'll arrive soon. Given that the new book will have 50 lyrics in it and the previous one had 70, we'll still have a number of track lyrics that haven't been published yet. Judging by the requests in Hawkfan, there are certainly people looking for these. How do other contributors feel about talking to Brian Tawn or someone, about trying to get our efforts published for the benefit of other Hawkfiends? I guess there will be copyright issues, but since two books have been published, they're presumably surmountable. Of course we could wait for the Hawkwind Tracks Index :-) Anyway, I've tidied up the lyrics file and brought it up to date. Unless someone else is itching to do some work on 'em, I'm just waiting on Gigi's book, and any comments from Ande Tucker. I'll post up a list of tracks, and then the current incomplete file (with the indulgence of the BOC fans) in case anyone can make any final improvements to these. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 22 19:29:26 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26934; Tue, 22 Oct 91 19:29:14 EDT Message-Id: <9110222329.AA26934@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9810; Tue, 22 Oct 91 19:28:29 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1442; Tue, 22 Oct 91 17:03:13 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 16:22:00 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind Lyrics - Update list X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Totals: 158 Complete, 22 incomplete, 4 missing Missing Hawkwind Lyrics ======================= Valium Ten Black Hole in Space Ghost Dance Douglas in the Jungle _________________________________________________________________________ Incomplete Lyrics ================= D-Rider (1) Back on the Streets (1) * Kadu Flyer (1) * High Tech Cities (2) * Gaga (1) * Hades Deep (2) * Ship of Dreams (1) * Upside Down (1) Dying Seas (4) * The War I Survived (3) * The Demented Man (1) * Nuclear Toy (1) * Wage War (4) * Lords of Chaos (1) * Raping Robots in the Street (3) * Stonehenge Decoded (2) * Where are They Now? (1) * Came Home (1) * Star Travellers (2) * Elements (1) * Over The Top (1) * Watching the Grass Grow (8) * ______________________________________________________________________ Complete Lyrics: ================ 5/4 * 25 Years * Adjust Me * The Aerospaceage Inferno * Angels of Death * Angel Voices * Arrival in Utopia Assault and Battery The Awakening * Back in the Box * Be Yourself Black Corridor * Black Elk Speaks * Born to Go Brainbox Pollution * Brainstorm Bring It On Home * The Changing * Children of the Sun * Choose Your Masks Coded Languages * Confrontation * The Curse of Man * Damage of Life Damnation Alley * Dangerous Visions * The Dark Lords * Days of the Underground * Dealin' with the Devil * Death Trap * The Demise Disintegration Down through the Night * Dragons and Fables * Dreaming City * Dream Worker * Dust of Time * Earthed to the Ground * Ejection * Elric the Enchanter * Fable of a Failed Race * Fahrenheit 451 * Fall of Earth City * Fifth Second of Forever * First Landing on Medusa * Flying Doctor * Free Fall * The Golden Void * Good Evening Green Finned Demon Hassan I Sabha Hawkwind * Heads * High Rise * Horn of Destiny * Hurry On Sundown * Images * Infinity * In the Egg * In the office Into the Realms * It's So Easy * Jack of Shadows * Joker at the Gate Kerb Crawler * Kings of Speed * Levitation * Lighthouse * Living on a Knife Edge * Looking in the Future * Lord of Light * Lost Chances * Lost Johnny * Magnu * Make What You Can * Mark of Cain * Master of the Universe * Messengers of Morpheus * Micro Man Mirror of Illusion * Moonglum * Motherless Children * Motorhead * Motorway City * Narration I * Narration II * Needle Gun * Neon Skyline * New Jerusalem * Night of the Hawk * Note From a Cold Planet * Now is the Winter of Our Discontent * Nuclear Drive On the Case * The Only Ones * (Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid * Orgone Accumulator * Oscillations Out of the Shadows * Paradox The Phenomenon of Luminosity Processed * Psi Power * Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) * Psychosis * PsychoSonia PXR5 * Quark, Strangeness and Charm * Reefer Madness * The Right Stuff * Robot * Rocky Paths Running Through the Backbrain * The Sea King * Seven By Seven * Shot Down in the Night * Silver Machine * Sleep of a Thousand Tears Social Alliance * Solitary Mind Games * Song of the Swords * Sonic Attack * Space is Deep * Spirit of the Age * Standing at the Edge * Star Cannibal * Starflight * Steppenwolf * Streets of Fear * Sweet Mistress of Pain * Sweet Obsession * Sword of the East * Ten Seconds of Forever * They've Got Your Number * Time We Left (This World today) * Transdimensional Man * Treadmill * TV Suicide * Uncle Sam's on Mars * Urban Guerilla * Virgin of the World Waiting for Tomorrow * Warrior at the End of Time * Warriors * Wastelands of Sleep * The Watcher * We Took the Wrong Step * Web Weaver * Welcome to the Future When the Going Gets Tough * Who's Gonna Win the War * Wings * The Wizard Blew His Horn * Words of a Song You Know You're Only Dreaming * You Shouldn't Do That * You'd Better Believe It Zarozinia From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 22 21:19:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01079; Tue, 22 Oct 91 21:19:19 EDT Message-Id: <9110230119.AA01079@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0362; Tue, 22 Oct 91 21:18:32 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0727; Tue, 22 Oct 91 20:53:17 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 20:51:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Renegade Subject: Imaginos References (repost) X-To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO This apparently got lost somewhere between here & there, so here we go again: I'm aware of a number of _Imaginos_-related songs on BOC's albums; I was wondering if you folks might not know the full list & the references within each song to Imaginos/Desdinova. Any help would be appreciated! We turn our gaze * Rick Rechowicz >From the castles in the distance * rkr103@psuvm.psu.edu Eyes cast down * Renegade@alt.callahans On the path of least resistance * Urbalor@Overdrive, Alderon -Rush, "Farewell to Kings", _A Farewell to Kings_ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 23 02:01:20 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09581; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:01:15 EDT Message-Id: <9110230601.AA09581@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0707; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:00:31 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8226; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:00:29 EDT Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 01:00:51 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Imaginos References (repost) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110230122.AA00911@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Renegade" at Oct 22, 91 8:51 pm Status: RO Mr. Rick Rechowicz (`Renegade') writes: > > This apparently got lost somewhere between here & there, so here we go again: > I'm aware of a number of _Imaginos_-related songs on BOC's albums; I was > wondering if you folks might not know the full list & the references within > each song to Imaginos/Desdinova. Any help would be appreciated! Well, since no one else is responding, and I doubt anyone will, I will let you know what I know, and between the two of us we could come up with a list of all the references. Two off the top of my head would be the obvious "Astronomy" and "The Subhuman" from Secret Treaties, which may have been the start of the whole Imaginos idea. However, there is a reference to "Les Invisibles" on "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" from their first album (at least that's what it sounds like to me). Another recurring image is that of "the rose." I can think of many songs over a long spread of BOC albums that refer to "the rose" in one way or another. Further discussion? > > We turn our gaze * Rick Rechowicz > >From the castles in the distance * rkr103@psuvm.psu.edu > Eyes cast down * Renegade@alt.callahans > On the path of least resistance * Urbalor@Overdrive, Alderon > -Rush, "Farewell to Kings", _A Farewell to Kings_ Cities full of hatred, fear, despise Withered hearts and cruel tormented eyes Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise Beating down the multitude and scoffing at the wise > Andy Will ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 23 02:52:33 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10856; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:52:28 EDT Message-Id: <9110230652.AA10856@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0787; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:51:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9069; Wed, 23 Oct 91 02:51:43 EDT Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 00:49:54 MDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Flat Out lyrics anyone? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO I just wrote out the lyrics to Buck Dharma's _Flat_Out_ Is anyone inter- ested in them? Or are they already on file somewhere? ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 25 07:32:15 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20204; Fri, 25 Oct 91 07:32:09 EDT Message-Id: <9110251132.AA20204@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6563; Fri, 25 Oct 91 07:31:21 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8475; Fri, 25 Oct 91 07:31:20 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 11:38:02 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind's origins in the Shakespearean era X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO I asked, on our local bulletin board, for the reference for the Shakespeare quote in the Winter of Discontent track (although I didn't mention Hawkwind, someone spotted the link). This produced quite a debate, which I unfortunately missed since I was away at the time. (Dammit, they finally get to something where I have some expertise and I miss it). Anyway, the following appeared from a Ms. Drapier: The reference to Hawkwind in Shakespeare is in fact quite accurate and the person who noticed this deserves congratulation for their astute observation. However the particular words quoted in the original message are from a Bad Quarto that was added at a later date and since this is usually considered to be of late post-Shakespearean origin they are omitted from the play in most performances. The reference occurs in HAMLET (Act III possibly but I'd have to check this) and is as follows: "I am only mad when the wind is nor' nor' west / When the wind is southerly I can tell a Hawk from a handsaw". This particular piece of text (which has puzzled commentators for years) is quite clearly an early reference to the existence of a Hawk wind from the south of the country and confirms an early date for the original formation of the group. Unfortunately the 17th C line-up is not known nor does any of their more recent material reflect the music of this early genesis but it is hoped that further research will elucidate this. It is speculatively possible that they were the players Polonius hired (knowing Hamlet's appreciation of the group) for the evening's entertainment and it was, of course, their enactment of Hamlet's own piece that led to the downfall of the King and, ultimately, the overthrow of the whole country. What they went on to after that, however, is a matter for considerable conjecture..... 8-))) May B. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 25 17:10:44 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11689; Fri, 25 Oct 91 17:10:34 EDT Message-Id: <9110252110.AA11689@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7877; Fri, 25 Oct 91 17:09:19 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9389; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:05:51 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 15:54:39 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: ?????? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hey, it's too quiet out there. What gives? Is anything happening re the Hawkwind poll? How about other subjects? We won't have to revive the satanism in rock issue just to have something to talk about will we? :-) Also, re the last posting, I have heard rumors that Rosencrantz and Guildenstern would jam with Hawkwind whenever Hamlet's father invited them over to Denmark for a gig. Was Ophelia, perhaps, the original Stacia (before she got herself to the nunnery, of course!)?? :-) :-O Mighty Matters indeed! G -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Lives of great men all remind us We may make our lives sublime ____/\____ and departing, leave behind us / \ footprints in the sands of time" /// || \\\ --Hawkwind / / \ \ Guido Vacano Department of Molecular Biology Wesleyan University GVACANO@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU GVACANO@BEAVER.WESLEYAN.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 25 19:19:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16076; Fri, 25 Oct 91 19:19:19 EDT Message-Id: <9110252319.AA16076@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8372; Fri, 25 Oct 91 19:18:30 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9559; Fri, 25 Oct 91 19:18:29 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 16:11:19 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Signatures X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO OHM-Steven queries: >Why do so many members on this list have 27-line signature files? Well, actually, that is just Guido and me, and in answer to your question, It is because we have such immense egos that nothing less than a HUGE signature will do. :-) Before I bail (and show my new, improved -- and slightly shorter :) -- sig file), I also want to toss out my agreement with Guido. Let's get some kind of hot topical discussion going... like why so-called alternative stations play Hawkwind??? Also, I'm curious: is anyone inteested in discussing Yes, or are they too main-stream for this population? ;) :@ (?) How about Floyd? Just a question. Happy days! --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 01:15:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26312; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:15:15 EDT Message-Id: <9110260515.AA26312@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8685; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:14:27 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7544; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:14:26 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 01:13:00 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Renegade Subject: Re: Signatures X-To: boc-l%ubvm.bitnet@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Chris Vacano writes: >Hawkwind??? Also, I'm curious: is anyone inteested in discussing Yes, or are >they too main-stream for this population? ;) :@ (?) How about Floyd? >Just a question. >Happy days! I'd be interested in a Yes discussion; I don't know enough about Floyd to add anything, but I'd enjoy hearing things. And yes, I know about the Yes mail ing list; it's digest and as such not a dynamic realtime discussion. The Floyd list I don't know about. Steve, you run the show, what do you think? Four doors at the Four Winds Bar * Rick Rechowicz Two doors locked and windows barred * rkr103@psuvm.psu.edu One door's left to take you in * Renegade@alt.callahans The other one just mirrors it * Urbalor@Overdrive, Alderon -Blue Oyster Cult, "Astronomy", _Imaginos_ (among others) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 01:47:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26998; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:47:25 EDT Message-Id: <9110260547.AA26998@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8752; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:46:37 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7853; Sat, 26 Oct 91 01:46:36 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 00:47:03 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew James Will Subject: Re: Signatures X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110260515.AA13216@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>; from "Renegade" at Oct 26, 91 1:13 am Status: RO In response to Renegade's comments about Mr. Vacano's suggestion of adding new group discussion to the list. I for one would be mega-against converting our BOC-L into a free-for-all; I mean the Hawkwind junk is bad enough [ big :-) ] As there are already mailing lists for almost all 70's "supergroups," I think adding non-BOC (and non-Hawkwind) discussion to this list will be unfair to those of us who subscribed to this list for BOC or Hawkwind exclusively. I find BOC infinitely more interesting than Yes or Pink Floyd, but that's just my opinion (incidentally, I think both of the latter bands rock, so don't get me wrong), which is why I subscribe to this list. Not much discussion out there in the void. Perhaps my recent post was not received? Not much interest in discussion out there, hey? Oh well.... Andy -- "But Debbie Denise was true to me...." - "Debbie Denise" from Agents of Fortune Blue Oyster Cult!!!! ajw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu // Long sigs and obscure quotes are quite annoying. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 13:01:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14350; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:01:16 EDT Message-Id: <9110261701.AA14350@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9140; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:00:28 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3676; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:00:27 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 17:59:33 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Rob Andrew Slays Mighty Scotland Subject: The mystery of 27 line signature files. X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Oct 25, 91 5:53 pm Status: RO Stephen Swann ponders: > By the way, why do so many people on this list have 27-line signature > files? Mine is only 23 (or is it 5?). Actually, it's all to do with a covert effort to boost the noise to signal ratio of this list. Or something. :) Humming "Flowers of Scotland", ;-) Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. "It probably wasn't real piss, just theatre piss" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 18:12:48 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22126; Sat, 26 Oct 91 18:12:36 EDT Message-Id: <9110262212.AA22126@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9635; Sat, 26 Oct 91 18:11:44 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8914; Sat, 26 Oct 91 18:11:42 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 18:05:11 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: The mystery of 27 line signature files. X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >Stephen Swann ponders: >> By the way, why do so many people on this list have 27-line signature >> files? >Mine is only 23 (or is it 5?). Actually, it's all to do with a covert >effort to boost the noise to signal ratio of this list. Or something. :) >Humming "Flowers of Scotland", ;-) >Paul. >e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk >If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. >"It probably wasn't real piss, just theatre piss" Hey Paul, don't forget to give credit on the piss quote!! :-) It's from Frank Zappa ("Thing Fish") isn't it? As for signature files, any more grousing and mine will get REALLY big (on par with my immensely huge ego). :-) Say "No" to Yes (at least on BOC-l), G From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 13:27:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14997; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:27:05 EDT Message-Id: <9110261727.AA14997@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9274; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:26:18 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4304; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:26:16 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 18:25:03 BST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Rob Andrew Slays Mighty Scotland Subject: Hawkwind sheet music. X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann Status: RO No, not a "hot topic" but a simple request for information. :) A couple months ago I borrowed a battered spanish guitar and resolved to learn to play it. Under the expert tutelage of none other than Bert Weedon :) I managed to progress to picking out chords and simple notes. Problem is, the tunes I've have to practice on are B-O-R-I-N-G. Stuff like "Bobby Shaftoe", "There is a Tavern in the Town", and similar rip-roarers. Now the important question is does anyone know where I can get ahold of some Hawkwind sheet music? It'd be great to be able to riff along with the likes of "Hurry on Sundown" et al. Does anyone know who is their music publisher? What sheet music is extant? Oh, and P{r, have you done any more BOC sheet music? I've played "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" until it's coming out my ears. I feel it's time to move on... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 13:32:46 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15207; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:32:43 EDT Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09306; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:32:40 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:32:40 EDT From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110261732.AA09306@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: *** Hawkwind Album Poll *** Status: RO Ok folks, It's time for the Great Hawkind Album Poll! :-) This one's going to be a bit more complicated than the BOC poll, since Hawkwind's albums are a bit more, uh... diverse. Yeah, that's the word, diverse. :-) Anyway, here's how I want the albums judged, it's -essentially- the same system, but I want you to keep a couple more things in mind when doing the ratings. First, there were a few misunderstandings about the last poll. In order to give an album a 5, it does -not- need to be perfect. You can thoroughly dislike any number of songs on an album and still give it a high score, so long as you feel the that album's strong points outweigh it's weaknesses. For example, let's take a hypothetical album "Meditation", by the acid-punk band Hawkwimp. Now, you really love this album, because the title track is a great spaced-out tune, with some really awesome sitar work by lead pothead Dave Broccoli. Then there's the really catchy pop-punk hit "Motorhead Pity", which shows off the drumming talents of ex-Creamora member "Gingerbread" Baker. The third song is is a boring, drawn out mouth-harp instrumental called "Hipgnosis". That, however, leads directly into a really scorching full-blown thrash instrumental "Warlord Tears". Then there's some really cool spacey noises after that, courtesy of of ex-Bong member Tim Blank. That provides the lead-in to a really heavy duty power-rock tune "Who's Gone An' Drank My Beer?". This is followed by the instrumental "Waste Paste", which sounds ok, but doesn't really do a lot for you. Next, there's a really amazing synth-punk tune called "The 5th & 2nd & 4th and Ever", with some really startlingly poetical lyrics and a nasty punk/thrash guitar line. The album closes with a really catchy tune "Dust 'n' Grime", that will never be one of your -favorites-, but that you've always liked. Finally, the production values are superb, and the songwriting and instrumental work by the band are simply outstanding. Ok, so how do you rate this album? After all, it's got one song that you totally dislike, and two that you're only marginal on. That -doesn't matter-. What I am really looking for in these ratings is your overall impression of the album, rather than a nitpicking sort of "well, I really only like 5.5 songs out of 7, I guess I better give it a 3". If you totally love this album, then by all means give it a 5. I'm looking for gut feelings in these album ratings, not bean-counting. So the desriptions above of what each rating level means is just a general guideline, not a fixed rule. Conversely, if there is an album that you "like" all the songs on, but the album doesn't really strike you as being a great album, then certainly don't give it a 5! Alright. Now that we're all clear on -that-, on with the poll! As before, here are the general rules. Participation is simple: * Send e-mail to me at the following address: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * Put "Poll Entry" or something to that effect in the Subject: line of the letter, so I can easily identify it. * Please rank all Hawkwind albums that you own (or that you are that you are very familiar with, i.e. your roommate, spouse, brother etc. owns a copy). * Please do not rank any album that you have only heard once, or that you haven't checked out because you've heard it was bad. :-) * Live albums, EP's and the Hawklords album are suitable for the poll. The multi-disk compilations should be ranked as separate disks. Here (yes, again :-) is the ranking system: 5 = What a great album, everybody should be required by law to own it 4 = It's really very good, I like most everything on it 3 = It has its ups and downs, but overall I like it 2 = It has some good points, but overall it's kind of weak 1 = I really don't like it much, it has few redeeming qualities 0 = Not worth the powder to blow it to hell. One last note, regarding the business of "sound quality". Take the sound quality into account, as a positive or negative factor in rating the albums. If you feel that poor sound quality noticeably detracts from an otherwise excellent album, -do- downgrade the album - provided that the lack of production quality interferes with enjoyment of the album! I won't provide a Hawkwind discography here, as I don't want to use the resources to send a several kilobyte file to 80 people. You know what albums you have. :-) Remember, EP's are good, live albums are good, multi-disk compilations get rated disk-by-disk. No solo stuff or "related projects", except Hawklords. I may do the other stuff later. This poll closes next Sunday (3-Nov-91), with a possible extension if there is an obvious need. Get to it! - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 26 16:04:02 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18712; Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:03:56 EDT Message-Id: <9110262003.AA18712@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9498; Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:03:07 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7258; Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:03:06 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 12:58:40 PDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Roger Leroux Subject: Re: *** Hawkwind Album Poll *** To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 26 Oct 1991 13:32:40 EDT from Status: RO On Sat, 26 Oct 1991 13:32:40 EDT stephen swann said: >Ok folks, > >It's time for the Great Hawkind Album Poll! :-) > >Remember, EP's are good, live albums are good, multi-disk compilations >get rated disk-by-disk. No solo stuff or "related projects", except >Hawklords. I may do the other stuff later. I would argue only that Dave Brock's solo albums be included as well because several (many) of the tracks appear on other HW albums *and* the albums have the typical HW sound to them. (Whereas, for example, Robert Calvert's albums do not). Roger Roger Leroux rleroux1@sol.UVic.CA ``It is time for men - particularly those of Western Civilization - to stop accepting the blame for everything that is wrong in the world.'' -- from the book `King, Warrior, Magician, Lover'. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 27 18:04:15 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22780; Sun, 27 Oct 91 18:04:09 EST Message-Id: <9110272304.AA22780@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0584; Sun, 27 Oct 91 18:03:20 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6413; Sun, 27 Oct 91 18:03:19 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 09:59:13 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Hawkwind's origins in the Shakespearean era X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110251130.AA23323@lynx>; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 25, 91 11:38 am Status: RO According to Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu: > > The reference to Hawkwind in Shakespeare is in fact quite accurate and the > person who noticed this deserves congratulation for their astute observation. > Speaking of literary references of/in HW, can someone remind me where these lines come from: The lives of great men all remind us We should make our lives sublime and departing, leave behind us foorprints in the sands of time I may have a few of the words wrong, and probably all of the line structure but I remember them from the "Warrior..." album. I dimly recall seeing them in a poem I was bludgeoned into studying in my distant school days. Stu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stuart Hungerford | ** | | | || | | Organization : CSIRO DIT. Canberra, Australia. | *=======**========* | | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | || | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | || | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | ** | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 27 20:52:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27177; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:52:24 EST Message-Id: <9110280152.AA27177@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0822; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:51:35 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9066; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:48:46 EST Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1991 21:47:11 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: Re: Hawkwind sheet music. X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO roger the music student! coming from a slightly musical background I m quite happy 2 hear of some1 going 4 music of the mind rather than rote.hw/boc music has not been readly available unfortuneatly but don't stop there,ask about 4 some 1 who plays by ear and pummel them with sound &transfer 2 paper.I've done this a couple of times,Get the right person & you might get yourself a band.. break a leg & keep at it! I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with the DAMMED, can these be considered related groups? feedback requested many of the HW/BOC r of michael moorecocks collabaration/derived from his Champiom series.But 2 i know of r Zelazney basis;Damnation Alley/fr Quark Strangness and Charm & Jack of Shadows/fr PXR5.have any other writers contributed? nothing is real everything is permissable "hassan i Sabbah" dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 27 20:56:04 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27250; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:55:58 EST Message-Id: <9110280155.AA27250@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0894; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:55:10 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9381; Sun, 27 Oct 91 20:55:09 EST Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1991 18:49:53 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: other discussions X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Woaaahhhh! I didn't realize I was asking for so much trouble by suggesting the dis- cussion of other bands (GASP :)!)In any case, I -- as I said before -- was only curious... I wasn't looking to start any trouble :). Sorry. Oh, and one other thing before I leave... please just call me Chris or WoW... I don't consider myself a "Mister", and if anybody affords me that kind of re- spect again, I'll unsubscribe ;) Laters. --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 05:53:45 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11778; Mon, 28 Oct 91 05:53:38 EST Message-Id: <9110281053.AA11778@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1543; Mon, 28 Oct 91 05:52:50 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5528; Mon, 28 Oct 91 05:52:49 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:50:24 +0100 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Sixten Borg Subject: Connection? X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Steve wrote: >group (into it's present format as a "strictly" BOC and Hawkwind group). When I joined the B O C list I didn't know what connection B O C had to Hawkwind, and I thought that patience would enlighten me. So I didn't ask. But noone have said a word yet, and it has been a number of weeks since I joined the list. So tell me: what's the connection ? Is there a connection ? Sixten Borg From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 08:58:02 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16263; Mon, 28 Oct 91 08:57:58 EST Message-Id: <9110281357.AA16263@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1798; Mon, 28 Oct 91 08:57:05 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9496; Mon, 28 Oct 91 08:46:01 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:46:34 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: ?????? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO "Lives of Great men all remind us We may make our lives sublime..." Wordsworth I think. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 10:21:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18823; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:21:34 EST Message-Id: <9110281521.AA18823@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2128; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:20:38 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4660; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:10:39 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 09:50:53 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Calvert / House X-To: UBVM.BITNET!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann Status: RO Saw these yesterday in the Village. Description please? Hype - Robert Calvert High Tides (Times?) - this was Simon House and someone else. David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 10:46:38 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19715; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:46:31 EST Message-Id: <9110281546.AA19715@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2254; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:45:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6510; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:36:48 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:22:37 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Hawkwind sheet music. X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO ylaDylan sez: >many of the HW/BOC r of michael moorecocks collabaration/derived from his >Champiom series.But 2 i know of r Zelazney basis;Damnation Alley/fr Quark >Strangness and Charm & Jack of Shadows/fr PXR5.have any other writers >contributed? "Robot" is based on Isaac Asimov's Robot books, and "Steppenwolf" is based on the book of the same name by Hermann Hesse (excellent book!!). Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 11:13:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20695; Mon, 28 Oct 91 11:13:08 EST Message-Id: <9110281613.AA20695@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2404; Mon, 28 Oct 91 11:12:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7396; Mon, 28 Oct 91 10:49:07 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:34:27 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Connection? X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Sixten asks: >When I joined the B O C list I didn't know what connection B O C had to >Hawkwind, and I thought that patience would enlighten me. So I didn't ask. >But noone have said a word yet, and it has been a number of weeks since >I joined the list. So tell me: what's the connection ? Is there a >connection ? The main connection, I think, is that both bands have worked with Michael Moorcock. Other than that, thematically the bands are similar, but I can't think of any other connections. Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 12:18:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22266; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:18:38 EST Message-Id: <9110281718.AA22266@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2637; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:17:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0190; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:17:45 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:13:16 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: way out west Subject: connection??? X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hey, one additional connection I wanted to toss your way, is that generally, people who like hawkwind are also familiar with and generally seem to respond well to BOC. unfortunately, the reverse is not generally true because hawk- wind is such a low-profile band here in the states. :( just my two cents, whatever that's worth. --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 12:40:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22797; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:40:23 EST Message-Id: <9110281740.AA22797@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2715; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:39:33 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0424; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:39:30 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:37:18 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: way out west Subject: Re: Hawkwind's origins in the Shakespearean era To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Oct 1991 09:59:13 EST from Status: RO stu inquires: >can anybody tell me where these lines come from: >Lives of great men all remind us > we should make our lives sublime > and departing, leave behind us > footprints in the sands of time Haven't been paying attention, have you? It's from guido's signature file, of course! :-) c'ya! --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 12:51:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23084; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:51:07 EST Message-Id: <9110281751.AA23084@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2782; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:50:15 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0687; Mon, 28 Oct 91 12:50:11 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:42:45 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: way out west Subject: Re: Calvert / House To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Oct 1991 09:50:53 EST from Status: RO hay gang,(and especially dave) Hype is really pretty sketchy if you ask me -- ie, save your money. if it's High tide you're talking about, they have an album called sea shanties that is just excellent. It's a totally experimental dive into pure psychedelia, with a really heavy twist... if doremi doesn't squash your turntable, this most certainly will. (not to mention, It has a *really cool* album cover!) if you really want to know about either of these, then you should ask "Mr. Vacano :), because he owns or has at one time owned both albums. one last note: dont get turned off by hype if you don't like it, because I heard that calvert's other one is much better. oh, yeah! you might also look into a band called "man."Guido??? --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 14:56:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29652; Mon, 28 Oct 91 14:55:53 EST Message-Id: <9110281955.AA29652@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3008; Mon, 28 Oct 91 14:55:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3273; Mon, 28 Oct 91 13:58:24 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:57:58 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Raymond Degennaro Subject: a basic history question question X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO i'm new to this list and not very famillar w/ the history of BOC and Hawkwind. so: >I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with ^^^^- left which group? and after which album? thankx. Ray (DJ) DeGennaro ray@mensa.usc.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 28 18:17:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08003; Mon, 28 Oct 91 18:17:19 EST Message-Id: <9110282317.AA08003@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3812; Mon, 28 Oct 91 18:16:28 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1436; Mon, 28 Oct 91 17:47:27 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 16:04:37 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Calvert / House X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO David asks: >Saw these yesterday in the Village. Description please? >Hype - Robert Calvert >High Tides (Times?) - this was Simon House and someone else. Hype is a solo album with Michael Moorcock, Simon King (I think), and some other Hawkwind associated folks. It's based on the life of a fictional rock star. Good album. High Tide was a band with Simon House that had a very gnarly heavy metal type sound. The only album I know of is "Sea Shanties", which is so awful it's good :-). Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 08:38:19 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB05235; Tue, 29 Oct 91 08:38:13 EST Message-Id: <9110291338.AB05235@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1653; Mon, 28 Oct 91 23:01:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0166; Mon, 28 Oct 91 22:47:43 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:25:03 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: List Content X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110260547.AA14445@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Andrew James Will" at Oct 26, 91 12:47 am Status: RO Andy sed: > I think adding non-BOC (and non-Hawkwind) discussion to > this list will be unfair to those of us who subscribed to this list for > BOC or Hawkwind exclusively. Ah yes, no offense to Andy intended, but this list is getting a little too parochial. At least for me, who signed on in the Imaginative Rock days and has yet to make ONE BOC related post (my Hawkwind posts are mere requests for info). I think it's time for me to start up another Black Sabbath or Iron Maiden thread... Ron "Smartass" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 10:47:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09753; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:47:49 EST Message-Id: <9110291547.AA09753@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1814; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:46:58 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2246; Tue, 29 Oct 91 08:21:41 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 23:17:30 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: List Content To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:25:03 EST from Status: RO > Andy sed: > >>I think adding non-BOC (and non-Hawkwind) discussion to >>this list will be unfair to those of us who subscribed to this list for >>BOC or Hawkwind exclusively. > > Ah yes, no offense to Andy intended, but this list is getting a little >too parochial. At least for me, who signed on in the Imaginative Rock days >and has yet to make ONE BOC related post (my Hawkwind posts are mere requests >for info). > > I think it's time for me to start up another Black Sabbath or Iron Maiden >thread... Well, when I first signed on, it was for a discussion of groups that had imanginative (sci-fi,fantasy) meddled in their lyrics...then I was informed it had gone back to BOC and HW. I would love to discuss Maiden or Sabbath...or some other groups that are along this thread... King Diamond, Fates Warning, Rush, etc... -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 10:53:13 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10040; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:53:07 EST Message-Id: <9110291553.AA10040@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1877; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:52:05 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2348; Tue, 29 Oct 91 08:22:34 EST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 23:50:02 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: List Content To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Oct 1991 10:25:03 EST from Status: RO Well, I think starting up a new thread is a great idea...I'm sure it's probably been discussed before, but I'm interested in a thread concerning Derek Riggs' "unique" artwork on the Maiden covers... anyone care to comment or is this thread dead before we can get it going? Yours, Way out West --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 10:59:05 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10283; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:58:54 EST Message-Id: <9110291558.AA10283@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1937; Tue, 29 Oct 91 10:57:45 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2451; Tue, 29 Oct 91 08:23:18 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 09:39:45 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: That Kilminster chappie To: Steve Swann Status: RO Ray, >i'm new to this list and not very famillar w/ the history of BOC and Hawkwind. >so: >I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with ^^^^- left which group? and after which album? Well, methinks he left jolly old Hawkwind and formed Motorhead (with the umlauts of the o). Someone mentioned he played with the Damned but the only bit I know here is that I have Lemmy playing bass on a track on the b-side on I Just Can't Be Happy Today (I think it was the old Sweet song Ballroom Blitz somehow). They were both on the same record label - Bronze and used to hang out together. When Motorhead first started they appealed more to your punky chap/hardcore biker then h.m nuggets as of today. Seb From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 14:07:53 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB17790; Tue, 29 Oct 91 14:07:47 EST Message-Id: <9110291907.AB17790@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2666; Tue, 29 Oct 91 14:06:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7297; Tue, 29 Oct 91 11:56:11 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 08:34:14 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: The Kilminster Connection X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110280152.AA05511@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" at Oct 27, 91 9:47 pm Status: RO > I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with > the DAMMED, can these be considered related groups? feedback requested Yes these are related groups, although I'd really like to see more info on the Lemmy/Damned connection. Who knows what? I suppose now someone's going to bring up "Time Of The Hawklords" again, so it may as well be me ;) . Ron "Wondering" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 15:33:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21589; Tue, 29 Oct 91 15:33:24 EST Message-Id: <9110292033.AA21589@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2885; Tue, 29 Oct 91 15:32:18 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1744; Tue, 29 Oct 91 12:48:05 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 05:27:34 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Eric Smith Subject: RE>a basic history question To: Steve Swann Status: RO Reply to: RE>a basic history question qu -------------------------------------- Date: 10/28/91 >i'm new to this list and not very famillar w/ the history of BOC and Hawkwind. >so: >>I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with > ^^^^- left which group? and after which album? >Ray (DJ) DeGennaro >ray@mensa.usc.edu For those of you not familiar with the departure of Lemmy from Hawkwind, here goes... Lemmy played bass (and guitar on his own compositions) for Hawkwind on Doremi Fasol Latido, Space Ritual, Hall of the Mountain Grill, and Warrior on the Edge of Time. He was fired from the band on their North American tour (1975) when Canada Customs (bless their cheerful souls) found Lemmy in the possession of some speed, and refused him admission to the country. Lemmy formed Motorhead with Pink Fairies guitarist Larry Wallis and the rest is history. Motorhead has recorded all the songs that Lemmy wrote for Hawkwind (Lost Johnnie, Motorhead, and The Watcher), as well as one Pink Fairies song (City Kids). Since his departure from Hawkwind, Lemmy has made numerous guest appearances with Hawkwind (apparently there was no ill feeling about being sacked). Eric Smith Sick of politicians, harassment and laws, esmith@alias.com All they do is screw us up with other people#213#s flaws From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 20:03:42 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB02581; Tue, 29 Oct 91 20:03:37 EST Message-Id: <9110300103.AB02581@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4020; Tue, 29 Oct 91 20:02:38 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9226; Tue, 29 Oct 91 16:56:10 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 14:37:47 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Derek Rigg's album covers... To: Steve Swann Status: RO If you notice, a lot of the albums tend to have 3 things on them... A black cat The Grip Reaper And his signature I would love to discuss his artwork, and some of the things hidden within Some of the things that come to mind are: Killers/Iron Maiden: Women in shower, Man and woman in window Number of the Beast: Demon with a hard-on. Demon nailing a lady PowerSlave: "Indiana Jones was here...", Mickey Mouse, "Where's the Bollocks?" The artist at the drawing board Live After Death: Nothing comes to mind Somewhere in Time: (There is a lot here to mention and I think that it should be under a totally different thread) One of the best things is the banner in the store on the front that wraps around to the back. It says "This is a very boring picture" Seventh son of a Seventh Son: A lot of wierd stuff on this one, like light bulbs hanging from nothing, and ripples on the ice No prayer for the dying: Was this one actually done by Riggs? 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Floydº º=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-º From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 20:19:38 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB03069; Tue, 29 Oct 91 20:19:32 EST Message-Id: <9110300119.AB03069@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4179; Tue, 29 Oct 91 20:18:37 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1533; Tue, 29 Oct 91 17:24:03 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 13:49:44 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Maiden covers X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110291553.AA06286@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "Way out West" at Oct 28, 91 11:50 pm Status: RO > I'm interested in a thread concerning > Derek Riggs' "unique" artwork on the Maiden covers... Well hot damn! I've always really liked the album covers, particularly Killers and the Women In Uniform EP (with Eddie sneaking up on Maggie Thatcher). I could never read the guys signature though, Riggs seems to fit it, judging from memory. What juicy details can you folks glean from these Riggs' covers? Ron "Cover Me" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 21:51:29 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB06475; Tue, 29 Oct 91 21:51:19 EST Message-Id: <9110300251.AB06475@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4481; Tue, 29 Oct 91 21:50:22 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6973; Tue, 29 Oct 91 18:27:34 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 13:06:05 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Roger Leroux Subject: Re: Making an exception for Dave Brock. To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Oct 1991 17:28:02 GMT from Status: RO On Mon, 28 Oct 1991 17:28:02 GMT Rob Andrew Slays Mighty Scotland said: >Roger Leroux writes: >> I would argue only that Dave Brock's solo albums be included as well >And I would argue against including Dave's. One out, all out! > >I would take issue with you that Bob Calvert's albums are untypical of >Hawkwind. _Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters_ does have that HW >sound you attribute for Brock's solo output---tracks like "Ejection", >"The Aerospaceage Inferno" and "Widowmaker" for example. And can >anyone give me a good definition of the typical HW sound is anyway? Well, aside from Captain Lockheed..., Bob Calvert's albums have *his* definite style (e.g. Test-tube Conceived and Lucky Leif don't sound remotely like any Hawkwind albums). Also, Captain Lockheed, despite having a few tracks that were used on subsequent albums, is most defintely not Hawkwindish. (I mean, most of the album is spoken). On the other hand, Dave Brock is to Hawkwind what Buck Dharma is to BOC. Without Dave, Hawkwind is not Hawkwind. Without Robert Calvert, Hawkwind runs fine. So, I still think we should include them. I added his two albums to my poll entry at the end by themselves so they could be easily ignored. :-) Roger From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 22:42:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08300; Tue, 29 Oct 91 22:42:30 EST Message-Id: <9110300342.AA08300@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4730; Tue, 29 Oct 91 22:41:37 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0725; Tue, 29 Oct 91 19:00:44 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 10:03:41 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: RE>a basic history question X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110292032.AA09354@lynx>; from "Eric Smith" at Oct 29, 91 5:27 am Status: RO According to Eric Smith: > > Reply to: RE>a basic history question qu > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 10/28/91 > >i'm new to this list and not very famillar w/ the history of BOC and Hawkwind. > >so: > >>I wonder, Lemmy left and formed MOTORHEAD he also played for a time with > > ^^^^- left which group? and after which album? > >Ray (DJ) DeGennaro > >ray@mensa.usc.edu > > For those of you not familiar with the departure of Lemmy from Hawkwind, here > goes... > > [...] While we're on the subject of groups "associated" with HW, I remember an excellent song from some time ago called "The Bones of Elvis" by a band called "Inner City Unit". I heard there's some connection between member(s) of Inner City Unit and Hawkwind, can someone tell me what the connection is? Stu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stuart Hungerford | ** | | | || | | Organization : CSIRO DIT. Canberra, Australia. | *=======**========* | | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | || | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | || | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | ** | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Oct 29 23:07:48 1991 Received: from by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB08776; Tue, 29 Oct 91 23:07:42 EST Message-Id: <9110300407.AB08776@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4927; Tue, 29 Oct 91 23:06:45 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6312; Tue, 29 Oct 91 19:41:59 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 19:23:01 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: Maiden covers To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 29 Oct 1991 13:49:44 EST from Status: RO > Well hot damn! I've always really liked the album covers, particularly >Killers and the Women In Uniform EP (with Eddie sneaking up on Maggie >Thatcher). I could never read the guys signature though, Riggs seems >to fit it, judging from memory. Actually, he just sliced and diced her with the knife becuase she had pulled down an Iron Maiden poster. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 00:53:02 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA12336; Wed, 30 Oct 91 00:52:55 EST Message-Id: <9110300552.AA12336@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5358; Wed, 30 Oct 91 00:51:54 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3204; Tue, 29 Oct 91 22:51:27 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 21:22:51 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: enter the wizards X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO ah yes,Guido i suspected that, but I had no info..i found the"A" 2 b a inteligent speaker but a bit on the slimey side when dealing with the ladies.(met him at worldcon 89). rock music is, like the crossbow an invention that will last millenium. but only certin things will stick in the menory.Lemmy"LEAVING," Ozzy bites the bat, that sort of stuff. Information if not passed about has a habit of getting lost,(unlike necromancy --preserved within a jar,of course) so y not widen the scope a bit.As a headbanger of 2day I often like Bach&Irish bruhaha bagpipes,gregorian chants&well the music wall is 5x6ft.and spreding out 2 the car. King Diamonds Them/Conspiracy 2fer is a good tale with ILM's skill could be quite a movie.Queensryke's Operation Mindcrime is interesting also. How about Tangerine Dream,Kraftwerk,Pete Shelley, Devo etc etc and on ok so i rattle just a music addict on overdrive again. so anyway once I find them iI'll be loging in the lyrics 2 a few more songs thanks eric for the xtra info Does any one know where to find a copy of the ENGLISH version of "The Last Days of Man On Earth"all 122 minuets? Based on 1 of Moorecock's Corneilus books. Arioch Rules dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 02:41:09 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15523; Wed, 30 Oct 91 02:41:06 EST Message-Id: <9110300741.AA15523@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5695; Wed, 30 Oct 91 02:39:49 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9561; Wed, 30 Oct 91 02:36:40 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 09:35:45 +0200 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Niko.Makila%FINSUN.CSC.FI@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: RE>a basic history question To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Oct 91 10:03:41 EST." <9110300343.AA10107@finsun.csc.fi> Status: RO Your message dated: Wed, 30 Oct 91 10:03:41 EST > > I heard there's some connection between member(s) of Inner City > Unit and Hawkwind, can someone tell me what the connection is? The connection is saxophonist/vocalist Nik Turner who formed ICU when he had been thrown out from Hawkwind. //niko From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 03:42:24 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16975; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:42:19 EST Message-Id: <9110300842.AA16975@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5775; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:41:27 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0458; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:41:26 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 15:41:58 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Rob Andrew Slays Mighty Scotland Subject: Calvert's "other" one. X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "way out west" at Oct 28, 91 10:42 am Status: RO Christopher Vacano writes: > I heard that calvert's other one is much better. His "other" one? Apart from _Hype_, Bob Calvert has released at least four other solo albums that I know of (and possess). Incidentally, last week I managed to obtain a copy of Calvert's novel _Hype_, published by NEL. Haven't completed it yet. Been reading it on and off. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 03:45:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16990; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:45:35 EST Message-Id: <9110300845.AA16990@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5834; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:44:07 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0568; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:41:51 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 17:29:58 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: *** Hawkwind Album Poll *** X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "stephen swann" at Oct 26, 91 1:32 pm Status: RO oHM Steve writes: > Ok, so how do you rate this album? After all, it's got one song that > you totally dislike, and two that you're only marginal on. That > -doesn't matter-. What I am really looking for in these ratings is > your overall impression of the album, rather than a nitpicking sort > of "well, I really only like 5.5 songs out of 7, I guess I better > give it a 3". If you totally love this album, then by all means > give it a 5. I'm looking for gut feelings in these album ratings, not > bean-counting. So the desriptions above of what each rating level > means is just a general guideline, not a fixed rule. I think you're onto a hiding to nothing here Steve. Fives will abound because you can always guarantee that there'll be at least one mega track on every Hawkwind album which will inflate the ratings. :) I've also found that often different albums will suit different moods. If you're in the right mood it'll hit just the right spot, if you're not it just becomes sounds. Dunno how this aspect fits into the voting schedule. > Remember, EP's are good, live albums are good, multi-disk compilations > get rated disk-by-disk. No solo stuff or "related projects", except > Hawklords. I may do the other stuff later. What about the murky region of bootlegs and compilations? Or are only *official* releases considered. (What, for example, about the Weird tapes?) Also, what about Hawkwind appearances on other albums, for example the _Greasy Trucker's Party_ where Hawkwind only appear on one side of a double album set? IMHO it seems silly to rate multi-disc compilations disc-by-disc as you have to buy the thing as a complete package. Should we rate the double album _The Hawkwind Collection_ as two discs? If you ruled out the _New York '72_ bootleg in the BOC poll due to the low number of voters for it not being a statistically meaningful sample size, I can see lots of Hawkwind stuff being dropped on the same grounds. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 03:48:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA17028; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:47:40 EST Message-Id: <9110300847.AA17028@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5895; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:46:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0685; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:42:20 EST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 16:31:28 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Rob Andrew Slays Mighty Scotland Subject: Re: connection??? X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "way out west" at Oct 28, 91 10:13 am Status: RO way out west writes: > one additional connection I wanted to toss your way, is that generally, > people who like hawkwind are also familiar with and generally seem to respond > well to BOC. When I went to see Hawkwind, one of the songs played over the PA prior to the gig was BOC's "Dominance and Submission" and, if I remember rightly, "Roadhouse Blues." I believe Dave Brock is to be seen wearing a BOC T-shirt on the back cover of the "Welcome to the Future" album (correct me if I'm wrong someone). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 11:42:45 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00955; Wed, 30 Oct 91 11:42:40 EST Message-Id: <9110301642.AA00955@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7009; Wed, 30 Oct 91 11:41:39 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7377; Wed, 30 Oct 91 11:16:00 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 09:19:20 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: alt.rock-n-roll X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110300022.AA25255@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "tom wilson" at Oct 29, 91 6:04 pm Status: RO > If this list is going to become an alt.rock-n-roll mailing list, > I will be more than happy to unsubscribe. Well well, aren't we touchy? This discussion surfaces every few months or so, it seems. No need to get nasty, I assume there are lots of new subscribers who need to be filled in on what's acceptable here. Then there are all the old cranky bastards like myself who have yet to make even one BOC-related post. That's because the Hawkwind-Lemmy-Motorhead/Iron Maiden/Sabbath thread has been the only reason I hang out here. This list has always been fairly light-hearted, so can we please avoid the parochialism? I suspect there are still "Lists Of Musical Mailing Lists" around which describe this group as the _Imaginative Rock_ list. Ron -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 12:12:45 1991 Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01989; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:12:41 EST Received: by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11349; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:12:35 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:12:35 EST From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9110301712.AA11349@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: About this group (yes, again :-) Status: RO Another satisfied customer: >> If this list is going to become an alt.rock-n-roll mailing list, >> I will be more than happy to unsubscribe. > > Well well, aren't we touchy? This discussion surfaces every few months or >so, it seems. No need to get nasty .......... This list has always been >fairly light-hearted, so can we please avoid the parochialism? > I suspect there are still "Lists Of Musical Mailing Lists" around which >describe this group as the _Imaginative Rock_ list. I get a "SUBSCRIBE Imaginitive Rock list" letter ever week or so. That's why subscription is now restricted to "by permission only". Remember when randoms used to wander onto the list, wanting to talk about whatever their favorite groups was "because who's to say what 'Imaginitive' means?" And yes, I would like to recapture a bit of the old spirit of this list, back in the days when it was the Imaginitive Rock discussion list. We had to ditch that name because it was too general, and allowed for virtually anything. But I think that the BOC/Hawkwind List, while it does a much better job of keeping the discussion focussed, also creates a "parochial" (to steal Ron's phrase) attitude on the list. The summary of all this is that I welcome discussion of "related" groups, (those being the ones we voted in by consensus: Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Rainbow/Deep Purple/Dio). I will only object if the volume of it becomes so overwhelming that it becomes an irritation. I -expect- people to have some tolerance for "off-topic" discussion. Anyway, each half of this group already views the other half's conversations as being off-topic. :-) So I don't expect any whining if this group occasionally diverges to talk about Ozzy's Sabbath days or something like that. I -promise- I won't let the stuff get out of hand to the point that it interferes with this being a BOC/Hawkwind group though. Does that satisfy everyone? - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 12:48:20 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03545; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:48:17 EST Message-Id: <9110301748.AA03545@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7269; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:47:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0818; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:27:06 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 12:08:49 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: RE>a basic history question X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >Your message dated: Wed, 30 Oct 91 10:03:41 EST >> >> I heard there's some connection between member(s) of Inner City >> Unit and Hawkwind, can someone tell me what the connection is? > The connection is saxophonist/vocalist Nik Turner who formed > ICU when he had been thrown out from Hawkwind. > //niko I used to have an album of theirs. I have forgotten what it was called, but I got rid of it because I thought it was absolutely awful. The worst thing about the album was that it contained versions of "Brainstorm" and "Master of the Universe" that had been transformed into goofy, cacophonic New Wave noise. It was absolutely horrible. There are a couple of ICU cuts on "Friends and Relations Vol. I" which I quite enjoy. One has something to do with wearing a bucket on one's head, and one or the other (it's been a while since I listened to it last) has some killer drumming. Both songs form a good accompaniment with the only Hawkwind song on that side of the album, the classic "Valium Ten". If you are interested in good Nik Turner work, see if you can find Xitintoday (sp?) by his group Sphynx. The songs are all weird things, based on Egyptian mythology, but some of the music is really quite listenable. Steve Hillage (spelled Stiv for the occaision) provides some excellent guitar work, and Nik puts his sax aside on most of the cuts to play a really fine flute. Does anyone know of any other Hillage/Hawkwind connections? Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 12:51:44 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB03715; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:51:39 EST Message-Id: <9110301751.AB03715@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7339; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:50:35 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1240; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:35:34 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 09:31:49 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Lion of Symmetry Subject: Re: Hawkwind sheet music. X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >The other book titles I can think of in Hawkwind tracks (although I >dunno if they were inspired by the books or not) are: > >Lord of Light (Zelazny) >The Iron Dream (Norman Spinrad) Don't forget Farenheit 451, from Choose Your Masques, and I believe High Fise (PXR 5) is from a J.G. Ballard story. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 12:55:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03903; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:55:01 EST Message-Id: <9110301755.AA03903@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7398; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:54:07 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1344; Wed, 30 Oct 91 12:36:11 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 12:30:51 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: About this group (yes, again :-) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO oHM Steve asks (re the subject matter controversy), >Does that satisfy everyone? Hell, yeah! Let's lay this puppy to rest once and for all! :-) G From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 13:23:57 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05184; Wed, 30 Oct 91 13:23:51 EST Message-Id: <9110301823.AA05184@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7566; Wed, 30 Oct 91 13:23:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3796; Wed, 30 Oct 91 13:22:58 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 12:36:46 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: enter the wizards X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Dylan writes: >ah yes,Guido i suspected that, but I had no info..i found >the"A" 2 b a inteligent speaker but a bit on the slimey side when dealing >with the ladies.(met him at worldcon 89). I've heard he has an absolutely mostrous ego. I didn't know he was a sexist pig too! :-) >As a headbanger of 2day I often like Bach&Irish bruhaha bagpipes,gregorian >chants&well the music wall is 5x6ft.and spreding out 2 the car. King Diamonds >Them/Conspiracy 2fer is a good tale with ILM's skill could be quite a movie. >Queensryke's Operation Mindcrime is interesting also. How about Tangerine >Dream,Kraftwerk,Pete Shelley, Devo etc etc and on ok so i rattle just a music >addict on overdrive again. I listen to everything from Bach, Mozart and Rimsky-Korsakoff to Metallica, Queensryche, and Motorhead. Risking a foray into potentially non-relevant territory ;-), I would really like to know what sort of musical stuff the members of our little group like. I already suspect that Paul may have a fondness for FZ (unsavory as that might be :-) ). Allright, I admit it. I like FZ too! :-] Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 18:42:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18567; Wed, 30 Oct 91 18:42:00 EST Message-Id: <9110302342.AA18567@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8451; Wed, 30 Oct 91 18:41:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0684; Wed, 30 Oct 91 18:15:07 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 14:16:30 -0600 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Moses To: Steve Swann Status: RO |>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 12:36:46 LCL |>Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List |>From: Guido Vacano |>Subject: Re: enter the wizards |> |> I listen to everything from Bach, Mozart and Rimsky-Korsakoff to |>Metallica, Queensryche, and Motorhead. |> |> Risking a foray into potentially non-relevant territory ;-), I would |>really like to know what sort of musical stuff the members of our little group |>like. I already suspect that Paul may have a fondness for FZ (unsavory as |>that might be :-) ). |> |> Allright, I admit it. I like FZ too! :-] |> |>Guido I think I'll use this opportunity to introduce myself to the list...I've been a BOC fan for years, and have recently gotten into Hawkwind albums too. I used to be a big science-fiction fan, but lately I've been reading more traditional literary stuff (Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Thoreau, WS Burroughs, Aristophanes, Shakespeare, RF Burton, D Thomas, Joyce, etc, etc.). I still really like Moorcock, and I _think_ I have all his books. Does somebody out there have a complete MM bibliography? Other SF authors I can still stand include Zelazny, RA Wilson, Heinlein, Delany, PK Dick, Burgess, and other "literary" types. As you can see, I also have a penchant for making lists. I'm going to use Guido's question as a flimsy excuse to send y'all one that I made up a little while ago...it's all my favorite recording artists. Remember, you asked for it! (sort of) --Moses ****************************** * God is dead. * * --Neitzsche * * * * Neitzsche is dead. * * --God * * * * I'm dead tired. * * --J.R. ``Bob'' Dobbs * ****************************** In no particular order, though SPECIAL faves are asterisked. Dread Zeppelin the Didjits Frank Zappa & the Mothers Blue Oyster Cult* Hawkwind of Invention Paul Simon* Metallica* the Grateful Dead* Papa John Creach the Quicksilver the Fugs Motorhead Messenger Service Jim Croce Joe Walsh Fear Slayer Megadeth Bob Seger & the Wehrmacht Bob Dylan* Silver Bullet Band New Riders of the Rolling Stones the Firm the Purple Sage the Allman Brothers John Renbourn Jethro Tull* Fairport Convention Black Flag Bad Brains* Christopher Parkening Andre Segovia David Bromberg Dave Brubeck Charlie Parker Miles Davis Billie Holiday* Janis Joplin* Jimi Hendrix Spike Jones John Lennon late Beatles Simon & Garfunkel John Lee Hooker* Mojo Nixon Lightnin' Hopkins Howlin' Wolf Taj Mahal Laurie Anderson* the Archies the B-52s the Go-Gos Blondie Prince Public Enemy* BDP NWA Tone Loc George Thorogood Monie Love Dee-Lite Thelonius Monk Gerry Mulligan Ken Nordine* the Residents They Might Be Giants* Doktors for "Bob" DEVO* old Fleetwood Mac Eric Clapton John McLaughlin John Mayall Carlos Santana old Van Halen Rush Merl Saunders Budgie the Misfits Diamondhead the Mentors Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Carl Perkins Suzanne Vega the Indigo Girls the Pogues Lenny Kravitz Jefferson Airplane CSNY Commander Cody and his Hank Williams Jr. Otis Ball & the Chains Lost Planet Airmen Little Feat Lou Reed the Velvet Underground the Sex Pistols Gwar Neil Young Ladysmith Black Mambazo Take 6 Difficult Listening Linda Ronstadt James Brown* Wierd Al Yankovich Bo Diddley Willy Dixon Chuck Berry old AC/DC the Village People Larry Norman Ella Fitzgerald the Mamas & the Papas Koko Taylor Bonnie & Delaney Johnny Cash* Booker T and the MGs Burning Spear Bob Marley the Radiators Phish Branford Marsalis Bongos, Bass, and Bob Half Japanese Dr. John Professor Longhair the Jazz Butcher Allen Toussaint Clifton Chenier Harry Belafonte the Tubes Lyle Lovett and his Rob Wasserman Lydia Lunch Large Band Joe Satriani B.B. King Bobbie "Blue" Bland Classical composers: Bach (JS* and JC) Handel Mozart* Beethoven Strauss Liszt Verdi Vivaldi* Tchiakovsky Wagner Chopin Debussy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Oct 30 19:29:58 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20273; Wed, 30 Oct 91 19:29:50 EST Message-Id: <9110310029.AA20273@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8696; Wed, 30 Oct 91 19:28:51 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5121; Wed, 30 Oct 91 19:22:21 EST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 10:26:13 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Eric Smith Subject: Re: connection To: Steve Swann Status: RO Expanding on the Hawkwind/BOC/Michael Moorcock connection, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that the first appearance of the phrase "veteran of a thousand psychic wars" is actually on a Hawkwind album (Warrior on the Edge of Time). I guess Moorcock liked the line so much he recycled it for BOC. Eric Smith Sick of politicians, harassment and laws, esmith@alias.com All they do is screw us up with other people's flaws From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 31 10:22:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16513; Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:22:03 EST Message-Id: <9110311522.AA16513@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0068; Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:21:07 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2499; Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:17:09 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 09:03:19 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Ron Rader Subject: Re: About this group (yes, again :-) X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9110301719.AA04261@mcnc.mcnc.org>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 30, 91 12:12 pm Status: RO Poor Steve, he always has to ride the fence. Does a good job though, doesn't he? ;) ;) ;) Ron "Iconoclast" Rader -- ron rader, jr rlr@bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 31 18:58:01 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB07370; Thu, 31 Oct 91 18:57:55 EST Message-Id: <9110312357.AB07370@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1669; Thu, 31 Oct 91 18:56:51 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3804; Thu, 31 Oct 91 18:31:12 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 16:25:38 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: Calvert's "other" one. To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 29 Oct 1991 15:41:58 GMT from Status: RO Paul writes: >His "other" one? Rob Calvert has at least four other albums I know of(and >possess). Sorry, Paul... I knew I was going out on a limb with that... I should have been more clear. I was only aware of one other album, which I heard about... I dont even know which it is or how it sounds... all strictly hearsay, and there- fore inadmissable in a Court of Law :) --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 31 22:05:47 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13532; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:05:42 EST Message-Id: <9111010305.AA13532@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2171; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:04:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1900; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:04:46 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 22:04:51 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: enter the wizards X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO > I've heard he has an absolutely mostrous ego. I didn't know he was >a sexist pig too! :-) Who are we talking about? > Risking a foray into potentially non-relevant territory ;-), I would >really like to know what sort of musical stuff the members of our little group >like. I already suspect that Paul may have a fondness for FZ (unsavory as >that might be :-) ). > > Allright, I admit it. I like FZ too! :-] > >Guido Well, I'll throw in my tastes. (That sounds somewhat strange, but oh well.) Aside from Hawkwind and BOC, I listen to: Rush, Metallica, Clannad, Mannheim Steamroller, Blue Oyster Cult, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Candlemass, Hawkwind, Yes, Suicidal Tendencies, Death Angel, Sepultura, Bolt Thrower, Nocturnus, Terrorizer, King Crimson, Pestilence, Kronos Quartet, Morbid Angel, and various soundtracks (I like the Akira, Ranma 1/2, Kimagure Orange Road and Vampire Princess Miyu soundtracks a great deal.) As you can see, I listen to a fair amount of "heavy metal" (or whatever you'd like to call it). The soundtracks are from various japanese animation-type things. (Another interest of mine.) P.S. Would that FZ be Frank Zappa? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 31 22:25:15 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14035; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:25:08 EST Message-Id: <9111010325.AA14035@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2251; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:24:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2484; Thu, 31 Oct 91 22:24:12 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 23:09:15 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Resent-From: Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan Comments: Originally-From: Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: Re: December travel plans... X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Steve the "mugwump" monitor you have the hardest job!keep it up! Unfortuneatly i don't feel up to the polling processes, I only own 7 albums: and the last one,Hurry ON Sundown,picturedisk, set me back two weeks groceries! Anyone know where to get some of these others I keep hearing about? G what was that about puppies? Moses what do you do, own the record store? XCELLENT! does every one pitched out of HW get a band of there own? What's F Z ? explain the corilation between Farinheit 451 & Masques. all hail discordia KALLISTI dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 1 10:12:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03367; Fri, 1 Nov 91 10:12:03 EST Message-Id: <9111011512.AA03367@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2908; Fri, 01 Nov 91 10:11:06 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7860; Fri, 01 Nov 91 10:08:07 EST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1991 08:02:50 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: December travel plans... To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 31 Oct 1991 23:09:15 EST from Status: RO Hey folks, (no, I'm not really trying to impersonate Steven) I jus' wanted to try to answer two of dylan's queries... or rather successfully answer them. FZ is short for Frank Zappa, and the song Farenheidt 451 appears on the album Choose Your Masques. Since we're discussing our musical tastes, I'll put together MY little list (incidentally, I'm wondering why Guido, who posed this question in the first place, hasn't posted anything indicating his wide range of tastes :) ), and fire it off in my next posting. I'm sure you are all eagerly awaiting :)... NOT! (sorry, that's an annoyingly common expression out here lately.) laters --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 1 20:38:14 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB28664; Fri, 1 Nov 91 20:38:09 EST Message-Id: <9111020138.AB28664@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4508; Fri, 01 Nov 91 20:37:08 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1017; Fri, 01 Nov 91 20:21:45 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 16:56:19 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: Making an exception for Dave Brock. X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Roger Leroux" at Oct 29, 91 1:06 pm Status: RO I'm going to have to be careful here or people are going to peg me as being anti-Dave, which is certainly not my intention and is simply untrue... Roger Leroux writes: > Well, aside from Captain Lockheed..., Bob Calvert's albums have *his* > definite style (e.g. Test-tube Conceived and Lucky Leif don't sound > remotely like any Hawkwind albums). Also, Captain Lockheed, despite > having a few tracks that were used on subsequent albums, is most > defintely not Hawkwindish. (I mean, most of the album is spoken). This is one of those areas where I don't think we can reach a concensus, especially as there was no reply to my question of what "hawkwindish" means. What make a Hawkwind track distinctively Hawkwind? (I guess your answer might be "Dave Brock.":) Bob's solo albums, notably the early ones, do have that distinctive Calvert style. The point I was making in my previous message was that this style was also quite evident in the material that HW were putting out around the time Bob was an active member. In that sense, surely, Bob's solo work is Hawkwindish? To me the term Hawkwindish has a historical context---it alters over time. (There are some people I know who don't consider HW's current output to be remotely "Hawkwindish." In fact they often decry it as synthed-up heavy metal.) > On the other hand, Dave Brock is to Hawkwind what Buck Dharma is to > BOC. Without Dave, Hawkwind is not Hawkwind. Without Robert Calvert, > Hawkwind runs fine. Since you state this as fact I guess it must be true... There are some of us, however, who have great doubts about this statement. In fact, there are some of us who think that Hawkwind ran a lot better when we still had people like Nik Turner and Bob Calvert aboard. I'd better shut up now before people start stoning me. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 1 20:40:24 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28713; Fri, 1 Nov 91 20:40:20 EST Message-Id: <9111020140.AA28713@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4567; Fri, 01 Nov 91 20:39:26 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1126; Fri, 01 Nov 91 20:22:32 EST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 17:33:52 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Making an exception for Dave Brock. To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO >On the other hand, Dave Brock is to Hawkwind what Buck Dharma is to >BOC. Without Dave, Hawkwind is not Hawkwind. Without Robert Calvert, >Hawkwind runs fine. I dunno. I first saw Hawkwind in 1977 when Calvert was with 'em. The lineups after that lacked something without his presence. The band recognised this sometime later when Nik Turner would attempt to emulate Bob Calvert's stage persona, somewhat unsuccessfully. I for one was looking forward to Calvert rejoining the band, an event which will not now happen due to technical difficulties..... I wish I'd managed to get to one of the eighties gigs where he appeared with the band... Oh well, I should be getting a tape of one soon. "Technicians of Spaceship earth this is your Captain speaking... your Captain is dead......" >Roger FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 1 21:20:38 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA29854; Fri, 1 Nov 91 21:20:29 EST Message-Id: <9111020220.AA29854@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4812; Fri, 01 Nov 91 21:19:35 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3074; Fri, 01 Nov 91 21:19:32 EST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1991 21:08:33 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: Re: Making an exception for Dave Brock. X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Dave Brock is the body of Hawkwind. People like Bob Calvert are the clothing. What I mean by this is that Hawkwind at different periods of time is really not directly comparable to Hawkwind at other periods of time. Comparing, for example, PXR5 to Doremi, or to Xenon Codex, or to Sonic Attack, is a bit like comparing a well dressed London banker to a member of Hell's Angels. It all boils down to what you like. I like practically everything Hawkwind ever did (although I think album 1 was a bit weak). Others will think the "Hawkwind in Calvert's clothes" is superior to anything else--and some will clamor for the Nik Turner style. Why compare apples and oranges? Guido From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 1 23:18:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03121; Fri, 1 Nov 91 23:18:23 EST Message-Id: <9111020418.AA03121@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4959; Fri, 01 Nov 91 23:17:28 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5650; Fri, 01 Nov 91 23:17:25 EST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1991 00:14:43 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: return of the vinyl addict X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO I have unfortunatly never heard a solo or half the albums discussed here and speaking of which mali order? more info steve! yes the con crowd knows about Asimov.Ellison's off days(off his rocker that is) and other trippy writers. Eric Bloom wore an x-men shirt last time he was playing up here. this phonebooth reserved for Clark Kent dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 2 00:35:37 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05327; Sat, 2 Nov 91 00:35:34 EST Message-Id: <9111020535.AA05327@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5067; Sat, 02 Nov 91 00:34:38 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6729; Sat, 02 Nov 91 00:32:21 EST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1991 00:32:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "The Eternal [=- Hawkwind -=] World Tour" Subject: that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann Status: RO ...What IS that Hawkwind sound you say? Is it the sound of jet airplanes soaring overheard accompanied by the sound of synthesized anti-aircraft shrieks? the pulsating chunka chunka of hydraulic powered guitars/basses/drums? the repetitious moaning/chanting/audiohallucinatory vocals? Of course as those of you who have heard the various permutations of Hawkwind/Hawklords/etc I've only satirized certain aspects of their style, but those definitely are NOTICEABLE aspects 8-) Anyways, their 'sound' is a unique combination of rhythms, melodies, lyrics, vocal and instrumental accompaniment. As our humble moderator Steve knows, I've parodied their rhythm style on my guitar, with some choice lyrics... well, actually one word "Space......" I myself have yet to hear another band (that is totally unrelated to existing, past, (and future 8-) members of HW) that sounds like Hawkwind. Then again I dont get out of the house that much, and my ear is nowhere near the pulse of the music world. - strum strum strum...SPACE.... ps cool idea: Hawkwind comic books/graphics novels along the line of "Time of the Hawklords" but with better plots, maybe put a soundsheet (those flimsy plastic pseudo-records) in the first editions of certain issues. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 2 13:23:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22129; Sat, 2 Nov 91 13:22:55 EST Message-Id: <9111021822.AA22129@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5437; Sat, 02 Nov 91 13:22:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5808; Sat, 02 Nov 91 13:21:58 EST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1991 10:10:39 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Roger Leroux Subject: Re: Making an exception for Dave Brock. To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 31 Oct 1991 16:56:19 GMT from Status: RO On Thu, 31 Oct 1991 16:56:19 GMT The Central Scrutinizer said: >> On the other hand, Dave Brock is to Hawkwind what Buck Dharma is to >> BOC. Without Dave, Hawkwind is not Hawkwind. Without Robert Calvert, >> Hawkwind runs fine. > >Since you state this as fact I guess it must be true... Well, as you said yourself, Hawkwind sounds different from year to year, album to album. I would argue that the Rolling Stones wouldn't be the Stones without Mick Jagger (as an analogy). Calvert undeniably has made a tremendous contribution to the band (Quark... is one of my favourite albums, and tracks from Astounding... are among my faves too). Same goes for Nik Turner; he's also done tremendous stuff in his time. But Dave Brock, IMHO, should be included. Let's not forget that `Church of Hawkwind' was almost done singlehandedly by him! But as I said in my original posting, I included his two albums, separately, and Steve can do with it what he wants. :-) >I'd better shut up now before people start stoning me. Nah, I wouldn't bother throwing rocks about an issue this trivial. After all, it's sparked a reasonable debate without degenerating in a name calling fest. :-) Roger From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 2 13:38:10 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22561; Sat, 2 Nov 91 13:38:06 EST Message-Id: <9111021838.AA22561@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5506; Sat, 02 Nov 91 13:37:12 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6235; Sat, 02 Nov 91 13:37:08 EST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1991 17:08:50 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: RE>a basic history question To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO >Hello, > >>> Does anyone know of any other Hillage/Hawkwind connections? >>> >>>Guido > >>Tim Blake > >>FoFP > > Tim Blake played with Hillage? Are there any albums with both Blake >and Hillage? Get thee to the online discography! Blake and Hillage both played with Gong at one time so there are a few albums featuring both. Hillage and Blake did an album called "Fish Rising" and a 7" (Blake on b-side "Shimmer" only). How good is Tim Blake's solo work (i.e. Crystal Machine)? > Crystal machine is fairly good as Electronic albums go, but New Jerusalem is absolutely excellent (IMHO - but several people have bought this album after I let 'em listen to it). They ain7t easy to find though. if anyone is after 'em let me know 'cos I usually pick 'em up if I see 'em. No spares at the moment though. >Guido FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 3 10:53:46 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22056; Sun, 3 Nov 91 10:53:37 EST Message-Id: <9111031553.AA22056@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5946; Sun, 03 Nov 91 10:52:31 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5341; Sun, 03 Nov 91 10:34:38 EST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1991 00:15:17 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Mekong Delta X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO OK, so there's a discography for them. I'd like to replicate my experience with Hawkwind and try out an album or two... but I can't find any locally. Have any been released in the US? Will I have to spend more money on imports? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 3 12:57:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24700; Sun, 3 Nov 91 12:57:14 EST Message-Id: <9111031757.AA24700@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6213; Sun, 03 Nov 91 12:56:17 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7426; Sun, 03 Nov 91 12:56:15 EST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1991 13:53:13 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: mail order? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO mali order?who, where & what more info please! the questing beast hungers dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 3 13:25:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA25376; Sun, 3 Nov 91 13:25:16 EST Message-Id: <9111031825.AA25376@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6350; Sun, 03 Nov 91 13:24:20 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8038; Sun, 03 Nov 91 13:24:14 EST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1991 12:23:34 -0600 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Anthony A. Datri" Subject: Re: Mail order X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111031816.AA17726@convex.convex.com> Status: RO >3.) Noteworthy Music: Professionals. I had a CD arrive with the right case but the wrong disc, and they didn't hassle me over it. >4.) J & R Music World These guys' ads leave a slimy taste in my mouth. >[ The following is a detailed account of how to get CD's from Tower ] >[ Records, in London I tried them back when the article about the HHGTTG set was posted. Nobody at the other end had the slightest idea what I was talking about. I ended up having a friendly guy at Oxford pick me one up and send it over. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 3 17:29:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA01562; Sun, 3 Nov 91 17:29:45 EST Message-Id: <9111032229.AA01562@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6602; Sun, 03 Nov 91 17:28:50 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1759; Sun, 03 Nov 91 17:28:49 EST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1991 21:55:12 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: M.Holmes%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Mekong Delta To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO To get Hawkwind stuff in the USA I'd recommend: Rock Cave, 6547 W 85th Place Los Angeles CA 90045 tel 213 670 9237 I've ordered one item so far and if it doesn't take a "Hughes" (*in* Hawkjoke) then I'm gonna order more stuff. I7ve spoken to Brian ????? on the phone and he seems like a cool guy. You can get most of the CD's from him and a few LP's. I guess a useful idea would be to collate a good mail-order list for folks who are looking for records. Mebbe OHM could feature it as an online service? Any takers? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 3 17:51:06 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02118; Sun, 3 Nov 91 17:51:01 EST Message-Id: <9111032251.AA02118@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6696; Sun, 03 Nov 91 17:50:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2573; Sun, 03 Nov 91 17:50:00 EST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1991 15:27:09 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: that Hawkwind sound X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hi folks, Rather than re-quoting everybody, I'm just going to assume you all know what you've said on the issue, and go from there. Besides, I don't know if I could fit enough of those little doohickies ( > ) to properly re-quote all of the re-quotes of re-quotes, etc. etc. ad infinitum :-) :@ In any case, I think we can all agree that despite subtle (or not so subtle) changes in the sound and personnel roster over the past twenty years, Hawkwind has maintained a sound that is distinctly "Hawkwind". That is to say, one familiar with the band could probably recognize a Hawkwind song, regardless of whether they've heard it before or not... the band is just that distinct, for lack of a better word. However, I am going to back off for one mom- ent, though, and toss my hat in with the Brock supporters... he has always seemed to me to be the central, unifying figure in the band, while everyone else pretty much seemed to come and go (usually into their own bands ;) ) I think the real issue is not who is in the band, so much as the music they produce... as long as I know it's Hawkwind, I'm content. And so far, I have no complaints. One last thing... in trying to start a thread in an earlier posting, I posed the question, "why do so-called alternative stations play Hawkwind?" What I meant to ask was why DON'T they??? Luckily (I guess), the question was ignored in favor of the slightly more controversial issue I raised in the same posting -- but my curiosity remains... any thoughts? By the way, I DJ at an alternative station and am doing what I can to promote the Hawks, but this town seems to prefer the legendary type of birds that burn them- selves in the name of rebirth (or some such silliness :) ) Anyway, until next time... --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 11:48:32 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24399; Mon, 4 Nov 91 11:48:24 EST Message-Id: <9111041648.AA24399@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8298; Mon, 04 Nov 91 11:47:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9550; Mon, 04 Nov 91 11:41:44 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 10:40:24 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Eric Smith Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann Status: RO Our humble moderator writes: > So, I dunno, since Hawkwind doesn't have the commercial appeal to make it > on hits stations, and there's basically nothing else left except college > radio, I don't have a lot of hope of them ever becoming well known. Even on college radio it's an uphill battle. Very few college DJs have even heard of HW, and many will tend to reject anything from a twenty-year-old band as being out-of-date and not sufficiently "alternative". This is why I feel that it's the duty of every college-going hawkfan to volunteer for their campus station; there is no better way to win the hearts and minds! That's exactly what I did when I was at university, and if I warped even one young mind then I'll consider those long midnight-to-morning shifts well-spent. > But hey, when't the last time you heard a BOC song other than The Reaper or > Burnin' For You? Don't be ridiculous, I heard Godzilla on 97.7 HTZ-FM just the other month. Why, they must play BOC at least twice a year :-). Eric Smith Sick of politicians, harassment and laws, esmith@alias.com All they do is screw us up with other people's flaws From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 12:39:36 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA26703; Mon, 4 Nov 91 12:39:30 EST Message-Id: <9111041739.AA26703@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8474; Mon, 04 Nov 91 12:38:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2903; Mon, 04 Nov 91 12:35:08 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 10:02:47 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: way out west Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 4 Nov 1991 10:40:24 -0500 from Status: RO OHM writes >But hey, when's the last time you heard a BOC song other than The Reaper or >Burning for You? Actually, I think the last BOC I heard was Veteran of Psychic Wars on KSL -- (shick, shick) -- X. Yeah, It's a classic rock format, but they usually seem to pull out some pretty good stuff. As for alternative radio, it would appear to be a local trend... it's all the rage out here, in Denver, and I understand LA and San Francisco. And I ain't just tootin' about college radio... Phoenix has KUKQ, which is an AM (yeh I know, big deal) alternative format... and Denver has KBCO (which sometimes leans toward generic, mainstream type of stuff) and KTCL, which is just sim- ply great. KQ is kind of weak, though, because they play a lot of Cure and New Order, which I find rather revolting in heavy doses... maybe that's why I can't stand my roommate... ;) Laters. --------------------------------------------------------- "You work all day, and then you know, * * wheels must turn to keep the flow. ** ** Build on up -- don't break the chain, * ** * sparks will fly, when the whistle ***** ** blows. *********** Fires burn, heart beats strong, ****** ** sing out loud the chain gang song. **** -Grace Jones- ***** ** >From Chris Vacano, Way out West, terminally. ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 15:24:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03860; Mon, 4 Nov 91 15:24:18 EST Message-Id: <9111042024.AA03860@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8912; Mon, 04 Nov 91 15:23:21 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2857; Mon, 04 Nov 91 15:23:17 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 15:19:38 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Dan Newcombe Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 4 Nov 1991 10:40:24 -0500 from Status: RO >> But hey, when't the last time you heard a BOC song other than The Reaper or >> Burnin' For You? >Don't be ridiculous, I heard Godzilla on 97.7 HTZ-FM just the other month. >Why, they must play BOC at least twice a year :-). WPDH play's Godzilla every so often...BFY and TR more so though. I had called up and asked for "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" one night and totally amazed the DJ. He was astounded someone knew other BOC. (This was also after I had asked for "If" by Pink Floyd) He played ? (Something with Shark in the title...don't know 'em all) -Dan From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 17:05:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07940; Mon, 4 Nov 91 17:04:56 EST Message-Id: <9111042204.AA07940@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9219; Mon, 04 Nov 91 17:03:59 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8023; Mon, 04 Nov 91 16:57:43 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 16:40:48 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111042028.AA21459@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Dan Newcombe" at Nov 4, 91 3:19 pm Status: RO > He played ? (Something > with Shark in the title...don't know 'em all) Shooting Shark. Actually had "extra bass" on it, played by someone I can't remember. A video, too. Good tune. I once got a local station to play, "I Love the Night", if that makes anyone feel better. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont "This is my son, William. William, say 'YAH BOY'". "YEAAAH BOIYYYYEEEE" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 17:11:50 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08290; Mon, 4 Nov 91 17:11:46 EST Message-Id: <9111042211.AA08290@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9280; Mon, 04 Nov 91 17:10:48 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8129; Mon, 04 Nov 91 16:58:43 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 16:51:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: bands that sound like Hawkwind To: Steve Swann Status: RO >From: "The Eternal [=- Hawkwind -=] World Tour" >I myself have yet to hear another band (that is totally unrelated to existing, >past, (and future 8-) members of HW) that sounds like Hawkwind. I was all ready to say "Amon Duul II" when I remembered Dave Anderson played on "In Search of Space" by Hawkwind and "Yeti" by Amon Duul II, so they don't qualify as totally unrelated. But there is another band that I think is totally unrelated yet sounds quite like Hawkwind, and that band is Cosmic Overdose. I have two albums by them on Silence Records out of Sweden. I don't know if they were trying to sound like Hawkwind, but they came real close. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Dept Michigan State University From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 18:15:11 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10572; Mon, 4 Nov 91 18:15:06 EST Message-Id: <9111042315.AA10572@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9456; Mon, 04 Nov 91 18:14:08 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0196; Mon, 04 Nov 91 17:38:00 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 16:18:53 CST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Matt The Hoople" Subject: that BOC sound (Was: that Hawkwind sound) X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 04 Nov 91 16:40:48 -0500. <9111042211.AA13551@urbana.mcd.mot.com> Status: RO > I once got a local station to play, "I Love the Night", if > that makes anyone feel better. I'm still trying to persuade the local campus station to play "Morning Final" or "Death Valley Nights", depending on the time of the night/early morning. :-) Last (non-Burning/Reaper) thing I remember them playing was "Shooting Shark," about 6 months ago. m@ +-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Three times, I've sent you back from me, ------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Three times, my bowl's gone dry | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | And Three times, I've seen the shooting shark | +----Cupertino CA Chapter---+--- Lighting up the sky... --------------[BOC]--+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 18:31:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11261; Mon, 4 Nov 91 18:31:37 EST Message-Id: <9111042331.AA11261@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9582; Mon, 04 Nov 91 18:30:39 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0920; Mon, 04 Nov 91 17:49:13 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 09:38:09 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111041457.AA10862@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Nov 4, 91 9:53 am Status: RO According to stephen swann: > > > One last thing... in trying to start a thread in an earlier posting, I > >posed the question, "why do so-called alternative stations play Hawkwind?" > >What I meant to ask was why DON'T they??? > Here in Australia we had an "alternative" radio station that played a relatively large amount of Hawkwind up until around when "Levitation" was released. Nowadays the same station is a "youth network" which means they play lots of dance music but then I used to hear "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Psi Power", "Spirit of the Age", and a couple of others. Stu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stuart Hungerford | ** | | | || | | Organization : CSIRO DIT. Canberra, Australia. | *=======**========* | | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | || | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | || | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | ** | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 19:34:01 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA13356; Mon, 4 Nov 91 19:33:56 EST Message-Id: <9111050033.AA13356@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9916; Mon, 04 Nov 91 19:33:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4210; Mon, 04 Nov 91 18:30:05 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 15:24:08 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Raymond Degennaro Subject: can't get radio to play Hawkwind? X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO the fortune program here actually spit this one out: It is the business of the future to be dangerous. -- Hawkwind suprise, suprise! From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 4 19:56:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14137; Mon, 4 Nov 91 19:56:20 EST Message-Id: <9111050056.AA14137@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0054; Mon, 04 Nov 91 19:55:17 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6335; Mon, 04 Nov 91 18:50:48 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 15:48:02 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: James Preston Subject: Re: that BOC sound X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO All right, who the hell started the BOC discussion? Don't you guys know that this is a HAWKWIND group, damnit, HAWKWIND? Jeez, relax the rules for one second and this is how people abuse our niceness... (And anyone who can't see the smiley up there should go take a Valium). Speaking of what they play on the radio, especially "The Reaper" (and one little side note here: has laziness really hit such a high that some people can't even bring themselves to type "The Reaper", but have to resort to that idiotic UseNet practice of abreviating it to "TR"?? Sheesh.) There's a radio station here in the SF bay area (hey, normally I would have typed out "San Francisco", but I just couldn't resist throwing in some irony) that does this bit called "One Hit Wonder" (it's either KSJO or KOME, I can never keep them straight). The idea is that some artist does a song that becomes a big hit, but afterwards the artist fades to total obscurity and is never heard from again. Things like "War" by Edwin Starr, or "Brother Louie" by The Storys, or that song about a virgin by whatshername. So last week, what do they have the unmitigated GALL to feature as a so-called one hit wonder but "The Reaper"!!! Now, I can understand the morons at the radio station "forgetting" about the ten or so BOC albums that have come since. I mean, it is called one HIT wonder, so having had many albums since then doesn't necessarily disqualify a group. But how the HELL could they have forgotten about "Burning for You"? It may not have made it to number one, but I think it got enough air play to qualify as at least a minor hit. Not to even mention "Dancin' in the Ruins" or "Astronomy" from _Imaginos_. So by now you're all saying, "Ok, James, we can see that you're upset over this. So did you call the station to voice your opinion of their choice?" Nah, who's got the time for that? It's much more productive to just bitch to the sympathetic ears of this list, right? :-) Actually, I did think about calling them, but just decided that it wouldn't really accomplish anything; the damage had been done already. --James Preston From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 5 08:49:58 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08006; Tue, 5 Nov 91 08:49:51 EST Message-Id: <9111051349.AA08006@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1178; Tue, 05 Nov 91 08:48:49 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7405; Tue, 05 Nov 91 08:48:00 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 08:46:54 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Mike J. Fuller" Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO >>>>> On Mon, 4 Nov 1991 09:53:26 EST, Our Humble Moderator said: OHM> So, I dunno, since Hawkwind doesn't have the commercial appeal to make it OHM> on hits stations, and there's basically nothing else left except college OHM> radio, I don't have a lot of hope of them ever becoming well known. But OHM> hey, when't the last time you heard a BOC song other than The Reaper or OHM> Burnin' For You? Just a couple of weekends ago, a local radio station (98.5 WNCX, Cleveland) played _Some Enchanted Evening_ from start to finish. Some time this past summer, I also caught them playing Cities on Flame from _Extraterrestrial Live_. Another local radio station (100.7 WMMS, Cleveland) broadcast the entire BOC concert live when BOC played the Empire in Cleveland this summer. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it until I got to the concert, and the only person I know who lives close enough to Cleveland to get a good recording that I could call to tape it for me was at the concert with me :-( /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mike J. Fuller | Internet: mikef@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | "I hate | |----------------| mikef@zippysun.math.uakron.edu | quotations." | |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| Bitnet: r3mjf1@akronvm | -- R.W. Emerson | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 5 09:17:47 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA08870; Tue, 5 Nov 91 09:17:42 EST Message-Id: <9111051417.AA08870@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1281; Tue, 05 Nov 91 09:16:43 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8535; Tue, 05 Nov 91 09:16:40 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 15:08:38 CET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was -> FROM: SWELTON at ESOC From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: re. that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann Status: RO For bands that are in the same vein as Hawkwind I would heartily recommend a band called Dr.Phibes and the House of Wax Equations, Chemical Alice (although you might never find anything by them) and Underground Zero who are on the Flicknife label. I would also try to catch some the psychedelic bands (read hippyish) from England such as Ozric Tentacles, Webcore and Magic Mushroom Band (all 3 whom I saw incidentally support Nik Turner ICU at a stonehenge benefit, with Suzie Creamcheese as host and lightshow). Seb ~ Space - The Final Frontier ~ ~ Sebastian J. Welton › SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre › MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany › C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ ~ Serco Space Ltd, Sunbury-on-Thames, England, Centre of the Universe ~ ~ Standard disclaimers ensue forthwith ~ ~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~›~ And oh, as yes the sky did turn to night, I shield my eyes and hide from the bright of day and cast the stone deep into the field of man and hide in shame, and low the flag raised in vain and close my mind to this lost day and shield my body with ferns of grey and ask no more of life unsaved and smile no more and lay here scaved, become the tombstone of my grave. .YNNi NUYCLiAr, diM diOLCh. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 5 10:30:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11437; Tue, 5 Nov 91 10:30:13 EST Message-Id: <9111051530.AA11437@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1521; Tue, 05 Nov 91 10:29:14 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1933; Tue, 05 Nov 91 10:25:11 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 09:09:23 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: that BOC sound X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111050231.AA27074@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "James Preston" at Nov 4, 91 3:48 pm Status: RO > So last week, what do they have the unmitigated GALL to feature as a so-called > one hit wonder but "The Reaper"!!! Well, as I remember, BOC was the "Best Band - 1976" according to Rolling Stone, and had the number 1 album and single for the year. Not quite a rise and fall along the lines of, say, "Survivor," but still kinda' funny. When I think about it, I'm GLAD they never made it big. Their music is better for it. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont "This is my son, William. William, say 'YAH BOY'". "YEAAAH BOIYYYYEEEE" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 5 10:35:30 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11709; Tue, 5 Nov 91 10:35:24 EST Message-Id: <9111051535.AA11709@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1592; Tue, 05 Nov 91 10:34:25 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2311; Tue, 05 Nov 91 10:32:05 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 08:55:10 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: that BOC sound (Was: that Hawkwind sound) X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111042318.AA25109@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "Matt The Hoople" at Nov 4, 91 4:18 pm Status: RO > I'm still trying to persuade the local campus station to play "Morning Final" > or "Death Valley Nights", depending on the time of the night/early morning. Oh, I can't imagine that you'd be successful. They probably reduced _Agents of Fortune_ to recording of "Don't Fear'" and _Spectres_ to Godzilla. Nobody cares about the rest of those albums. > Last (non-Burning/Reaper) thing I remember them playing was "Shooting > Shark," about 6 months ago. Just remembered that I heard the big classic-rock station play "Perfect Water" last year. Extremely pleasant surprise, but no one could understand why I was jumping around. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont "This is my son, William. William, say 'YAH BOY'". "YEAAAH BOIYYYYEEEE" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 18:25:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10516; Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:25:00 EST Message-Id: <9111072325.AA10516@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8708; Thu, 07 Nov 91 18:23:54 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4763; Thu, 07 Nov 91 14:50:28 EST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 20:25:21 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: Mekong Delta X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "jmalcolm" at Nov 3, 91 12:15 am Status: RO jmalcolm writes: > OK, so there's a discography for them. I'd like to replicate my experience > with Hawkwind and try out an album or two... but I can't find any locally. > Have any been released in the US? Will I have to spend more money on imports? Since I compiled the Mekong Delta discography I feel somewhat obliged to answer your query. :) First off, do you want to try and track down these albums in the first place? (YES!, IMHO.) I've been poring back through my archives and found something I posted to the list way back in January which may be appropriate: ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- > Discographies: > -------------- [...] > Mekong Delta [beats me :-] Since I sent in the Mekong Delta discography I guess I better say a couple of words about them... Mekong Delta are probably best described as an avant garde thrash band. (I guess orchestral/thrash mixtures, as on the track "Intermedium", is avant garde enough for most people.:) The band are from Germany and have a certain amount of mystery surrounding them. (For contractual reasons the identities of the band members could not be revealed and as such they had to hide under a cloud of pseudonyms and anonymity.) IMHO they fall into the "imaginative" category. Their lyrics are a mixture of political comment and (most importantly from our point of view) general weirdness with a leaning towards "cosmic" or "supernatural" horror. Their second album, _The Music of Erich Zann_ features several tracks which revolve around themes and elements from the story by H.P. Lovecraft of the same name. On the same album there is also a track entitled "I, King, Will Come" which makes references to the Great Old Ones (again, from H.P. Lovecraft's fiction). (Surely nobody want's to dispute that the work of H.P. Lovecraft belongs firmly in the "imaginative" category? I am, of course, assuming that everybody knows of H.P. Lovecraft.) Their third album, _The Principle Of Doubt_, features, amongst other things, a nifty "cover" of the _Twilight Zone_ theme. Their self-titled debut album also features passing references to Stormbringer and Mournblade, as well as some (not so) veiled Black Sabbath references on the track "Black Sabbath". It also features a marvellous version of "The Hut Of Baba Yaga" from Mussorsky's (sp?) _Pictures At An Exhibition_. Being German, occasionally their english ist nicht sehr gut in the grammar department but it has consistently improved with each album to the point that the problem(?) no longer exists. They have a new album out called _Dances Of Death_ which I have yet to hear. (If anyone has heard it, can I have their comments?) Anyway, so there you go. OHM Steve's days of "beats me" should be over now. Cheers, Paul. ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- (Historical note: That was written around the time when the brouhaha over the "Imaginative Rock" tag was in full fling, hence the many references to "imaginative music." :-) If you like "thrash" but with plenty of intricate musicality (dig that bass work) and musical complexity, yet still retaining that "heads-down" thrash feel :), then you shouldn't be disappointed with Mekong Delta. One thing that I didn't mention at the time is that the production on their albums has steadily improved. Those who hold such things supreme may be put off by their debut album in this respect. I have now heard reviews of their "new" album, _Dances of Death_ and by all accounts it's superb! Highlight is said to be the cover of Mussorgsky's "Night on a Bare Mountain." My personal favourite, and one to recommend, is _The Music of Erich Zann_. Maybe that's just because I am a H.P. Lovecraft fan... :-) Ok, assuming you're interested, the bad news is that their material is a BASTARD to get a hold of. I still haven't managed to get a copy of _Dances of Death_. The bulk of the problem is due to the fact that nobody distributes the Aaarrg Records label in the UK anymore. (It used to be handled by Rough Trade before that company went out of business.) I don't know if this is the case elsewhere. Ask your local (decent) record store if they can find out who handles Aaarrg Records in your country. I don't know if Mekong Delta's material has been deleted. I'd be very grateful if any German subscribers to BOC-L could enquire at their local record shop and find this out. (Maybe we could arrange a swap for Hawkwind material? In any case I'd love to find out if _Dances of Death_ was still available.) I'll have a look at my albums this evening to see if the sleeves yield any country-specific distributor information. Roll on the days of anonymous atp (album transfer protocol) sites... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 18:30:31 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10840; Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:30:22 EST Message-Id: <9111072330.AA10840@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8768; Thu, 07 Nov 91 18:29:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4888; Thu, 07 Nov 91 14:53:39 EST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1991 11:30:48 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO Way back at the start of October in 1980 I returned to University in St Andrews, Scotland. Hawkwind were playing in Edinburgh at the end of October and so I had about a month to fulfill my traditional role as Hawkwind minibus organiser. Naturally that meant that I had to find a dozen fellow hawkfans to fill the pews too. On the first night back I went to the student Union and bumped into another long time fan. He'd turned up another two he'd spotted in t-shirts and they knew of 2 others.... By the end of night One we had the minibus full. Good going. The bunch of us got together in the bar, slightly drunk by this time and tried to figure out an appropriate celebration. This turned out to be that we'd make every disco play "Silver Machine" until the gig. We'd basically turn up at a disco and then one after the other go up and ask for Silver Machine, then we'd get our friends to do the same if this didn't work. Eventually of course, the DJ would play it, though some did seem a tad reluctant. I vaguely remember that there were about two nights without a disco since all the societies liked to have one early in first term. It all cost a fortune in beer I guess. It was fun though, and towards the end one harassed DJ dedicated the track to "The ba%^&$d that organised all this..". I was so proud The strange thing was that the discos *kept* playing it after the gig. I guess it grew on 'em :-) z: From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 18:35:48 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10999; Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:35:41 EST Message-Id: <9111072335.AA10999@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8828; Thu, 07 Nov 91 18:34:33 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4995; Thu, 07 Nov 91 14:56:10 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 10:48:16 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind News X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO News of upcoming record releases: New Lyric Book - I'm told that this should be available very soon. It's accompanied by a CD with 30 minutes of live stuff contributed by Dave Brock. It's a limited edition and will probably be available through Ande Tucker and Rock Cave. CD Box Set - Due out by the end of the year. I'm not sure what will be in the package or whether there will be new material. Golden Void LP - Limited edition pressing of Glasgow Apollo 1982 gig. Should be available now. Psychedelic Warlords CD - Another "Stasis" type collection of rare tracks & mixes. Due out by the end of the year. Original "Hawkwind" album on CD - Due out by the end of the year. Space Ritual CD - Due out by the end of the year. BBC transcription disc - Rumour has it that this will be pressed onto vinyl and CD. The alert of you will know that this is already available on CD as "Space Rock From London". Space Rock From London - This seems to be quite widely available for a limited edition. Ande Tucker, Rock Cave, Hot Wax and various other sources in Record Collector are advertising it. New Video - a video of the US tour is due out in the US soon. Hope they do a VHS-PAL version too. New Studio album - expected in the Spring. That's all folks :-) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 18:41:00 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11178; Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:40:53 EST Message-Id: <9111072340.AA11178@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8889; Thu, 07 Nov 91 18:39:50 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5092; Thu, 07 Nov 91 14:57:58 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 11:09:08 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Record Collector mag in US? X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Can any of the US folks on the list tell em if there's an equivalent of Record Collector magazine in the States? I'm considering advertising in the "wants" columns for the US hawkstuff I'm looking for. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 18:45:58 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA11336; Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:45:53 EST Message-Id: <9111072345.AA11336@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8951; Thu, 07 Nov 91 18:44:47 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5213; Thu, 07 Nov 91 14:59:55 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 12:17:50 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Mail Order and contact addresses X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO I suggest that we compile a list of these to be made available in the same way as the Discographies etc. Best keep the list confined to those companies and people that folks have dealt with and found ok. A good list would be useful to folks that can't easily pick up the rarer records. Anyway, here's my contribution (though Paul put me on to some of these originally - PS Paul, Gema are really keen for business, I've had *four* copies of List #53). ________________________________________________________________________ Mail order addresses for Hawkwind records: Plastic Factory 189 Corporation Street Birmingham B4 6RG England Gema Records P.O.Box 54 Reading Berks RG5 3SD England Hit the Deck P.O.Box 92 Broadstairs Kent CT10 2AN Rock of Ages 14 Medley View Conisbrough Doncaster South Yorks DN12 2DT England Rock Cave 6547 W 85th Place Los Angeles CA 90045 USA Ande Tucker The Haven Four Forks Lane Spaxton Bridgewater Somerset TA5 1AD England Adrians 36-38 High Street Wickford Essex SS12 9AZ England _________________________________________________________________________ And for Newsletters with info on tours, record releases, interviews, record exchange etc. Brian Tawn 29 Cordon Street Wisbech Cambs PE13 2LW England Chris & Mary Bruce 4 University Road # 303 Cambridge MA 02138 USA ___________________________________________________________________________ From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 22:24:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18409; Thu, 7 Nov 91 22:24:10 EST Message-Id: <9111080324.AA18409@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9654; Thu, 07 Nov 91 22:23:05 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0129; Thu, 07 Nov 91 19:17:02 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 17:49:55 LCL Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Guido Vacano Subject: ????? X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO "Is there anybody out there..." --Pink Floyd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____/\____ Guido Nicklaus Vacano "I'd say she certainly //// \\\\ Department of Molecular Biology had marvelous judgement // || \\ Wesleyan University ...if not particularly / / \ \ GVACANO@EAGLE.wesleyan.edu good taste..."--Blood GVACANO@BEAVER.wesleyan.edu from "A Boy and His Dog" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 23:26:20 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20248; Thu, 7 Nov 91 23:26:14 EST Message-Id: <9111080426.AA20248@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9929; Thu, 07 Nov 91 23:25:11 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4577; Thu, 07 Nov 91 20:16:45 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 16:59:07 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: Record Collector mag in US? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 7 Nov 1991 11:09:08 GMT from Status: RO Wassup! In response to FoFP's query regarding American mags to run a Hawkwind stuff want ad, I'd like to suggest that you try Relix Magazine. I realize it's a Grateful Dead fanzine (I know a friend of the publisher), but I've seen a couple of ads mentioning Hawkwind in the "classifieds". If you're interested, I'll try to dig out the address for you. The other thing I'll do is ask around the station where I work... they'd probably know. Later skaters. --------------------------------------------------------- "It's loneliness that's the killer." * * -- Seal ** * ***** ** Way out West (But that's Chris vacano ********** to the rest of the world) **** ***** ** ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 7 23:56:09 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA21170; Thu, 7 Nov 91 23:56:04 EST Message-Id: <9111080456.AA21170@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0096; Thu, 07 Nov 91 23:55:00 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7924; Thu, 07 Nov 91 20:49:47 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 21:16:51 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: a revolution of imagination X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO went to see Queensryke at the boston garden,quite good!it seems there may still be a following for music with a message. asked a friend whos a DJ why in"request hours" they dont really play what you request-his answer-"you get a list of appropreate songs,then only air the listener who requested them;stations usually keep to what there backers/sponcers want."he works at a talk station but prefers local rockers depressing aint it? victem of the advertising wars dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 09:22:33 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07533; Fri, 8 Nov 91 09:22:28 EST Message-Id: <9111081422.AA07533@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1152; Fri, 08 Nov 91 09:21:25 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9075; Fri, 08 Nov 91 09:16:29 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 09:14:54 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Record Collector mag in US? X-To: UBVM.BITNET!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!EDINBURGH.AC.UK!FoFP@uupsi.UUCP's message of Thu, 7 Nov 1991 11:09:08 GMT <9111072336.AA17176@uu.psi.com> Status: RO Try Goldmine. Available at Tower Records (usually). David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 14:30:12 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20608; Fri, 8 Nov 91 14:30:05 EST Message-Id: <9111081930.AA20608@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2102; Fri, 08 Nov 91 14:29:02 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2946; Fri, 08 Nov 91 12:31:48 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 11:52:32 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Chip Hart Subject: Re: Mekong Delta X-To: uvm-gen!uvm-gen.UVM.EDU!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@UBVM.BITNET To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111072328.AA18214@griffin.uvm.edu>; from "The Central Scrutinizer" at Nov 4, 91 8:25 pm Status: RO Paul: I read your post about Mekong Delta with great interest. I used to work at a college radio station and we recieved a copy of one of their albums. I recorded a couple of songs from it and, over time, I've realized that these guys are GREAT. I know very little about them (like everyone else), except I remember reading somewhere that their bassist or guitarist left to join one of the grindcore bands (Napalm Death or something). Since then, I've seen NOTHING of theirs since. How much do you own? Are you willing to make copies? Etc., etc. -- Chip Hart ------------------------- chip@pcc.com |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| People's Computer Co. ------------------------- Williston, Vermont "This is my son, William. William, say 'YAH BOY'". "YEAAAH BOIYYYYEEEE" From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 16:13:19 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24924; Fri, 8 Nov 91 16:13:13 EST Message-Id: <9111082113.AA24924@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2404; Fri, 08 Nov 91 16:11:59 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8252; Fri, 08 Nov 91 14:04:15 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 11:57:29 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: Record Collector mag in US? To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 8 Nov 1991 09:14:54 EST from Status: RO Hey gang. Dave comments >Try Goldmine. Goldmine? Never seen it. The only thing I can get at Tower is Pulse... and I don't think that is the same thing. However, it just dawned on me that you may be talking about a non-Tower publication... is that the case? While we're on the subject of fanzines, I would appreciate info on any good Kerrang or Metal Blade articles on Hawkwind, Marillion, etc. (even Mekong Delta), and suggestions as to where to get them. This is, of course, directed at the overseas members of this list (Way out East??? :-) ) Laters. --------------------------------------------------------- "It's loneliness that's the killer." * * -- Seal ** * ***** ** Way out West (But that's Chris Vacano ********** to the rest of the world) **** ***** ** ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 20:20:29 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03873; Fri, 8 Nov 91 20:20:24 EST Message-Id: <9111090120.AA03873@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3130; Fri, 08 Nov 91 20:19:21 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3110; Fri, 08 Nov 91 18:51:45 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 15:18:46 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Another hawkwind release. X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO castle Communications say that they'll be releasing "The Hawkwind Live Collection" early in the new year. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 21:13:55 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA05512; Fri, 8 Nov 91 21:13:52 EST Message-Id: <9111090213.AA05512@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3389; Fri, 08 Nov 91 21:12:40 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6265; Fri, 08 Nov 91 20:49:34 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 17:21:53 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Mekong Delta X-To: BOC-L To: Steve Swann Status: RO Hey gang, I just wanted to let you know that I talked to a old friend today and found out that he's running an Import record store in downtown Phoenix, and that his shop DOES carry Mekong Delta, and can get Hawkwind... he says they can get just about anything in three days. Well, I don't know about that, but I figure if there is anything that anyone needs... let me know and I'll look into it. you can mail to me at: AUCHV@ASUACAD.EDU One thing I'm certainly checking on is "Chronicle of the Black Sword"(?), and yes, that is for you, Guido :)... as well as the Mekong... you guys have really got me interested. Anyway, that is all... you may now return to your regularly scheduled programming :). --------------------------------------------------------- "It's loneliness that's the killer." * * -- Seal ** * ***** ** Way out West (But that's Chris Vacano ********** to the rest of the world) **** ***** ** ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 8 23:28:59 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA09191; Fri, 8 Nov 91 23:28:52 EST Message-Id: <9111090428.AA09191@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3664; Fri, 08 Nov 91 23:27:37 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0386; Fri, 08 Nov 91 23:26:11 EST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1991 22:03:52 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: Re: Mekong Delta X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO hi there some HPL info in conn. is a place called Dudlytown,in Cornwall Co.Persons who lived here starting in about 1800's began to sight oddly deformed animals and people skulking about. later it became common to find chopped burned and blugioned bodies lying about as people went bezerk and merderd their families.the few that were left,left.about 50 or so years late folk poopoo'd the stories and moved back in- and guess what- it started up again. In 1949 conn. officials took the name of Dudleytown off the map. Visitors today have noticed that there are no animals in the ruins and the stillness of the air quite strange. is this Dunich? HPL WAS a frequent traveler of N.E. back ways. the outsider dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 9 13:09:43 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27572; Sat, 9 Nov 91 13:09:41 EST Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18317; Sat, 9 Nov 91 13:09:40 EST Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 13:09:40 EST From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9111091809.AA18317@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Goldmine magazine, how to order it Status: RO Hi folks, Since people have been asking... Goldmine is the -ultimate- U.S. trader's magazine. I have seen ads in it for some truly remarkable stuff - how about a Quadrophonic pressing of Secret Treaties? :-) This sucker IS NOT CHEAP, but it -is- a remarkable source for the true Collector. Each issue is about 200 pages of fine print - searching it requires a microscope and a lot of patience, but the stuff you find can definitely make it worthwhile. I'm afraid those of you overseas will have to be independantly wealthy to be able to order it, but maybe if a few of you trust each other to share the info, you could chip and in and get one subscription. I am providing this info as a service to BOC-L members, who I know are interested in finding rare collector's items by BOC, Hawkwind and others. Needless to say, I am not affiliated in any way with Goldmine magazine. I don't even have a subscription myself, I just pick it up occasionally at the local bookstore. Anyway here's the (very detailed) subscription info from the inside front cover of the Sept. 6 1991 issue: GOLDMINE Special Services Subscription Department 700 E. State St. Iola, WI 54990 U.S.A. Master Card & Visa orders: (800) 258-0929 ask for Wendy Miller. U.S. RATES (2nd class postage) 13 issues (1/2 year) $22 26 issues (1 year) $35 52 issues (2 years) $59 78 issues (3 years) $85 There are several other U.S. subscription rates available if anybody is actually interested, up to and including FedEx overnight service: $196.75 for 13 issues! ;-) FOREIGN RATES Please provide payment in the form of a U.S. funds check on a U.S., Canadian or Mexican bank. Personal checks, bank money orders, or chashier's checks drawn on foreign banks are not acceptable, whether drawn on U.S. or the national currency, unless the total payment provided is sufficient to cover all bank clearing and foreign exchange rates. SURFACE MAIL All countries: $53.20 for 13 issues AIR MAIL Canada, Mexico: $40.50 for 13 issues $71.95 for 26 issues Central America, Bahamas, Bermuda: $67.25 for 13 issues $134.50 for 26 issues South America, Europe, Mediterranean Africa: $91.50 for 13 issues $182.75 for 26 issues all other countries: $115.75 for 13 issues $231.25 for 26 issues "Ouch!", huh? I'm just glad I cn get it locally for $2.50/issue. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 9 19:15:11 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA07261; Sat, 9 Nov 91 19:15:03 EST Message-Id: <9111100015.AA07261@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4761; Sat, 09 Nov 91 19:14:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9381; Sat, 09 Nov 91 19:14:00 EST Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1991 17:14:22 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: tbaker%NMSU.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: BOC Lyrics X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Do we have *all* the BOC lyrics for every album every made? ______ ___ ____ / /__/ /___/ Trevor Baker / / \ /___/ tbaker@nmsu.edu From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 10 01:04:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15053; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:04:35 EST Message-Id: <9111100604.AA15053@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5053; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:03:33 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3758; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:03:31 EST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 01:03:50 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: US edition Palace Springs on CD X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Cc: jmalcolm+file+i.boc@sura.net To: Steve Swann Status: RO Well, I was browsing through my local Kemp Mill Records a week or two ago, and I happened to find something rather unexpected(to me, anyway): a US CD release of Palace Springs! Needless to say, I bought it. (Let me apologize in advance if any of this info is duplicated; I don't remember any postings about it, but that doesn't mean there weren't any.) This won't be a real review; I'll just limit myself to saying I like it a lot, and maybe some more specific comments on some tracks. That said, I'm interested in any differences between this version and the UK one, and also in the origins of some of the tracks. So here's the track listing: Total time (according to my CD player): 45:24 (in order) Back In the Box (Hawkwind '89) time ~6:20 Treadmill (Brock) time ~8:10 Void of Golden Light (Brock) time ~6:49 [This song is the one with the lyrics "The lives of great men all remind us we may make our lives sublime and departing, leave behind us footprints in the sands of time" which makes me a little suspicious that perhaps this track and the next should be interchanged. But then, what the hell do I know; I've never heard the original versions of either.] [BTW, this may be my favorite track, whatever it's name is.] Lives of Great Men (Brock) [seems to be an instrumental] time ~3:25 Time We Left (Brock) time ~2:40 Heads (Brock/Neil) [from Xenon Codex] time ~4:39 Acid Test (Bainbridge) time ~6:03 Damnation Alley (Brock/Calvert) [from Quark, Strangeness and Charm] time ~7:14 I have noted albums from which songs came from if I knew which one it was; I'd really like to know where the rest of the songs came from. For those who care, the album is on Roadracer and is RRD 9303. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 10 01:28:21 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA15535; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:28:15 EST Message-Id: <9111100628.AA15535@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5123; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:27:12 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4235; Sun, 10 Nov 91 01:27:11 EST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 01:27:22 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: update on Midnight Records (US) Hawkwind CDs X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Cc: jmalcolm+file+i.boc@sura.net To: Steve Swann Status: RO Some of you may remember when Steve posted a message saying "This place has these Hawkwind CDs for this much money". Well, I went and bought stuff from them, and I just received an updated catalog, so I thought I'd inform the list what they've got now, expecially since there's more stuff than last time. (All prices in US dollars.) Anyway, they have these Hawkwind CDs: Hawklords 25 Years On 18.99 Hawkwind Space Bandits PXR5 Quark, Strangeness and Charm Chronicle of the Black Sword In Search of Space Masters of the Universe Hall of the Mountain Grill Palace Springs 19.99 Acid Daze (UK 2 CD Set) 29.99 Best & Rest (Euro CD-Live) 12.99 Doremi Fasol Latido (US CD) 13.99 Night of Hawk 22.99 Statis: UA Years '71 to '75 Ridicule (live in '73) 17.99 and some "associated" albums: Rovert Calvert Hype 17.99 Starfighter Lucky Leif Captain Lockheed 21.99 (I'm not responsible for the bizarre abbreviations they use.) Contact info: phone 1-212-675-2768. Open noon-8pm EST Tue-Sat. or by fax 1-212-741-7230 24hrs 7days a week. They accept Mastercard & Visa. Shipping for US is as follows: $4 per order or 1-8 items, $6 for 9-16, over 16 items $2 for each additional 8. If any non-US people want to order from them for whatever reason, I can dig that info up too, but I'm tired of typing. Anyway, the usual disclaimers; I'm not associated with them blah blah blah. P.S. Any other "associated" albums I should be looking for? And any recommendations on the Calvert solo albums? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 10 02:26:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA16733; Sun, 10 Nov 91 02:26:10 EST Message-Id: <9111100726.AA16733@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5198; Sun, 10 Nov 91 02:25:08 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4664; Sun, 10 Nov 91 02:25:07 EST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 02:24:25 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: forward from alt.rock-n-roll.metal [BOC] X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Cc: jmalcolm+file+i.boc@sura.net To: Steve Swann Status: RO Seen in alt.rock-n-roll.metal; has actual BOC content! I apologize if this is old news. -------------------------------- Path: darwin.sura.net!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!wupost!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana .edu!lynx!carina.unm.edu!baldwin From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal Subject: Re: Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: Date: 5 Nov 91 10:08:49 GMT Article-I.D.: lynx.wand4qh References: <1991Nov2.145131.2081@bsu-ucs.uucp> Organization: Atheists for the Development of a Better God Lines: 31 In article <1991Nov2.145131.2081@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00pebenson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes: > > Thanx for affirming that the BOC is still around. Can you tell > me what songs they played at the concerts and if they are just > playing in the southwest or if tjhey're going to tour. If they're > touring what and where are the dates. I have no idea if they are actually touring, but since they have played Abq twice in the last 6 months, I woul think that they are. I have no idea of concert dates or anything like that. A freind of mine is a big BOC fan and he lets me know when they are playing. The last show they did was on Sat night(11-2, I think) and it was just as good as the first one. They played Confetti's, a medium sized night club, but the sound was pretty good, and the place was packed. They played all of the stuff that you'd expect them to play( Dont fear the reaper, ETI, that song that should be named The Jokes on You, but isnt, Burning for you, etc) atr bothe shows, but other than those, the set was, almost, completely different. Nearly everything they played was from their first few albums and they played 4-5 songs off of their first album. At the end of the show, they mentioned that they will have a new album out next year. TTFN chris -- baldwin@triton.unm.edu | "Meanwhile, I'm sitting there chomping on Chris Baldwin | Cocoa Puffs wondering what Life is all about." | - Scott Amspoker From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Sun Nov 10 12:46:03 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28722; Sun, 10 Nov 91 12:45:57 EST Message-Id: <9111101745.AA28722@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5465; Sun, 10 Nov 91 12:44:54 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5897; Sun, 10 Nov 91 12:44:53 EST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 09:12:00 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Re: US edition Palace Springs on CD X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO >I have noted albums from which songs came from if I knew which one it >was; I'd really like to know where the rest of the songs came from. > Since you asked: >Back In the Box > This is a new song, but that part at the end that goes "I pay my stamps, I pay my tax, etc" is from the song "Words of a Song" by the Agents of Chaos (Dave Brock in other words). >Treadmill > Is really "In the Office" from the Agents of Chaos. >Void of Golden Light > Is "Assault and Battery, Part I" from Warrior on the Edge of Time. >Lives of Great Men >[seems to be an instrumental] > Is not an instrumental on my copy and is most definitely "The Golden Void, Part II" from Warrior on the Edge of Time. >which makes me a little suspicious that perhaps this track and the next >should be interchanged. But then, what the hell do I know; I've never >heard the original versions of either.] > It hadn't paid that much attention, but I agree with you. As I was doing this, I played "The Golden Void" original version. It is totally different style wise. :^) >Time We Left > "Time We Left This World Today" from Doremi Fasol Latido. Another great live version is on "Space Ritual Alive". >Heads > The indexing between this and "Time We Left" is pretty much a waste since there is no break and the end of Heads is "Time We Left" By the way, "Heads" originally appeared on the Agents of Chaos (we are hearing that name a lot) before it was on Xenon Code if I have my HW history right. Billy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 11 02:40:08 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA19402; Mon, 11 Nov 91 02:40:02 EST Message-Id: <9111110740.AA19402@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6418; Mon, 11 Nov 91 02:38:59 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3655; Mon, 11 Nov 91 02:38:57 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 02:38:11 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: US edition Palace Springs on CD X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Cc: jmalcolm+file+i.boc@sura.net To: Steve Swann Status: RO Thanks for the info. >>Back In the Box >> >This is a new song, but that part at the end that goes "I pay my stamps, I pay >my tax, etc" is from the song "Words of a Song" by the Agents of Chaos (Dave >Brock in other words). Anyone have lyrics? >>Void of Golden Light >> >Is "Assault and Battery, Part I" from Warrior on the Edge of Time. > >>Lives of Great Men >>[seems to be an instrumental] >> >Is not an instrumental on my copy and is most definitely "The Golden >Void, Part II" from Warrior on the Edge of Time. > >>which makes me a little suspicious that perhaps this track and the next >>should be interchanged. But then, what the hell do I know; I've never >>heard the original versions of either.] >> >It hadn't paid that much attention, but I agree with you. As I was doing >this, I played "The Golden Void" original version. It is totally different >style wise. :^) Well, there really isn't any break between track 3 (labled Void of Golden Light) and track 4 (labeled Lives of Great Men). (i.e., the music doesn't stop.) Perhaps they got the breaks wrong while they were busy mislabelling the tracks? (Is Warrior on the Edge of Time out on CD?) >>Time We Left >> >"Time We Left This World Today" from Doremi Fasol Latido. Another great live >version is on "Space Ritual Alive". Out on CD? >>Heads >> >The indexing between this and "Time We Left" is pretty much a waste since there >is no break and the end of Heads is "Time We Left" By the way, "Heads" >originally appeared on the Agents of Chaos (we are hearing that name a lot) >before it was on Xenon Code if I have my HW history right. > >Billy Well, thanks for the info. (BTW, there is also a US CD of In Search of Space, which I didn't buy because I already had the UK version; looked the same. (Song titles, approximate running time, all that.)) From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 11 10:56:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA02700; Mon, 11 Nov 91 10:56:36 EST Message-Id: <9111111556.AA02700@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 7268; Mon, 11 Nov 91 10:55:25 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5210; Mon, 11 Nov 91 10:55:24 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 10:00:37 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: David Kuznick Subject: Chronicle of the Black Sword (Was: Mekong Delta) X-To: UBVM.BITNET!BOC-L@uu.psi.com To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Way out West's message of Fri, 8 Nov 1991 17:21:53 MST <9111090209.AA09398@uu.psi.com> Status: RO One thing I'm certainly checking on is "Chronicle of the Black Sword"(?), and yes, that is for you, Guido :)... as well as the Mekong... you guys have really got me interested. Anyway, that is all... you may now return to your regularly scheduled programming :). --------------------------------------------------------- "It's loneliness that's the killer." * * -- Seal ** * ***** ** Way out West (But that's Chris Vacano ********** to the rest of the world) **** ***** ** ** Are people really having trouble finding this? Try Tower. They definately carry it and if the particular one you check doesn't have it in stock, they can order it. I think it is around $18 (US). David Kuznick david@ait.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Nov 11 19:36:39 1991 Received: from ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AB22703; Mon, 11 Nov 91 19:36:33 EST Message-Id: <9111120036.AB22703@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8308; Mon, 11 Nov 91 19:35:30 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2799; Mon, 11 Nov 91 19:34:19 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 19:35:00 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: HW mislabellings To: Steve Swann Status: RO as a tangent from the "Golden Void"/"Void of Golden Light" and "Lives of Great Men" mislabellings... Those of you who have vinyl versions of _Hall of the Mountain Grill_, have you ever noticed that the song running times on the album itself DO NOT match the times on the sleeve? I showed out humble moderator Steve that one day, and we got a good laugh out of that. - Alv From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 12 10:02:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22203; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:02:15 EST Message-Id: <9111121502.AA22203@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8676; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:01:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5515; Tue, 12 Nov 91 09:54:09 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 09:40:04 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: US edition Palace Springs on CD To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Your message Status: RO >Well, I was browsing through my local Kemp Mill Records a week or two >ago, and I happened to find something rather unexpected(to me, >anyway): a US CD release of Palace Springs! Needless to say, I bought >it. (Let me apologize in advance if any of this info is duplicated; I >don't remember any postings about it, but that doesn't mean there >weren't any.) > >Total time (according to my CD player): 45:24 > >(in order) > >Back In the Box >(Hawkwind '89) >time ~6:20 > >Treadmill >(Brock) >time ~8:10 > >Void of Golden Light >(Brock) >time ~6:49 >[This song is the one with the lyrics >"The lives of great men all remind us > we may make our lives sublime > and departing, leave behind us > footprints in the sands of time" >which makes me a little suspicious that perhaps this track and the next >should be interchanged. But then, what the hell do I know; I've never >heard the original versions of either.] >[BTW, this may be my favorite track, whatever it's name is.] Yep, the track order on the cover is wrong. "Lives of Brave Men" is basically the "Assault and Battery" track from "Warrior on the Edge of Time". "Void of Golden Light" is the "Golden Void" track from the same album. > >Lives of Great Men >(Brock) >[seems to be an instrumental] This is "Golden Void"/"Void of Golden Light" >time ~3:25 > >Time We Left >(Brock) >time ~2:40 > Live version of the track from "Doremifasolatido" >Heads >(Brock/Neil) >[from Xenon Codex] >time ~4:39 > >Acid Test >(Bainbridge) >time ~6:03 Track based on the "Dream Worker" track from "Choose Your Masques" > >Damnation Alley >(Brock/Calvert) >[from Quark, Strangeness and Charm] >time ~7:14 > >I have noted albums from which songs came from if I knew which one it >was; I'd really like to know where the rest of the songs came from. No probs :-) FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 12 10:19:28 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA22779; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:19:22 EST Message-Id: <9111121519.AA22779@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8758; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:18:18 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5988; Tue, 12 Nov 91 09:57:37 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 10:10:10 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Friends_of_Fernando_Poo%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Another hawkwind compilation CD. X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO This one's called "Spirit of The Age" and yes, there's already a compilation of Charisma stuff with that title. This one's on the "elite" label and the track listing is as follows: Master of the Universe Earth Calling Psychosis Space Chase Angels of Death Motorway City Born To Go Brainstorm (Live) Spirit of the Age Motorhead Dealing With The Devil World of Tiers The Fifth Second of Forever Dust of Time Levitation Silver Machine (Live) The tracks are all licensed and I doubt that there's any new stuff. I don't know which versions/mixes of the various tracks are used since I just spotted this CD in HMV. If anything of interest turns up when I listen to it, I'll letcha all know. FoFP From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 12 10:26:14 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA23047; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:26:08 EST Message-Id: <9111121526.AA23047@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8830; Tue, 12 Nov 91 10:25:01 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6250; Tue, 12 Nov 91 09:59:40 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 18:21:08 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Dunwich X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" at Nov 7, 91 10:03 pm Status: RO Sorry, this is off the point but I'm an HPL fan... Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan asks: > [... description of weird town ...] > > is this Dunich? HPL WAS a frequent traveler of N.E. back ways. I cannot answer that particular question at this point in time. However, folks might be interested to know that there was a real town called Dunwich on the East Anglian coast in England. Spookily, it sank into the sea... About five miles south of where it was, down the coast, stands today the Sizewell nuclear power station..... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 12 12:45:18 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28548; Tue, 12 Nov 91 12:45:10 EST Message-Id: <9111121745.AA28548@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9283; Tue, 12 Nov 91 12:43:59 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4666; Tue, 12 Nov 91 12:37:27 EST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1991 09:10:05 PST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: pc Subject: Re: HW mislabellings X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <9111120628.AA15593@bertha.pyramid.com>; from "Alvin M. Chan" at Nov 11, 91 7:35 pm Status: RO > >as a tangent from the "Golden Void"/"Void of Golden Light" and "Lives of >Great Men" mislabellings... > >Those of you who have vinyl versions of _Hall of the Mountain Grill_, have >you ever noticed that the song running times on the album itself DO NOT match >the times on the sleeve? > >I showed out humble moderator Steve that one day, and we got a good laugh >out of that. Speaking of mislabeling, my vinyl copy of Sonic Attack has side 1 printed on both sides (the music that is), even though the label is correct. I don't listen to side 2 that often! :-) pc -- -m--------- Patrick Connor Pyramid Technology ---mmm------- (408) 428-8819 3860 North 1st St. -----mmmmm----- pc@pyramid.com -or- San Jose, CA -------mmmmmmm--- uunet!pyramid!pc 95134 From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Tue Nov 12 18:59:42 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14454; Tue, 12 Nov 91 18:59:38 EST Message-Id: <9111122359.AA14454@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0323; Tue, 12 Nov 91 18:58:28 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 4545; Tue, 12 Nov 91 17:44:31 EST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1991 17:20:40 EDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John Bowers Subject: Re: 12-Nov-91 To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 12 Nov 1991 16:41:20 EST from Status: RO > Bucky's 39 today! :-) (Heard it on the radio this morning). We should get together and buy him a nice soothing book of Lovecraft stories for his 40th next year. :-) JB From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 00:48:54 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA27434; Wed, 13 Nov 91 00:48:47 EST Message-Id: <9111130548.AA27434@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1128; Wed, 13 Nov 91 00:47:36 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 3375; Wed, 13 Nov 91 00:47:34 EST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1991 12:00:00 CDT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Billy Barron, VAX/Unix Systems Manager" Subject: Re: HW mislabellings X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO > >Speaking of mislabeling, my vinyl copy of Sonic Attack has side 1 printed >on both sides (the music that is), even though the label is correct. >I don't listen to side 2 that often! :-) > My Vinyl copy of Anthology Volume 3 (I think it is volume 3) has Volume 3 on side one and one of the sides of Volume 2 on the other. Billy From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 02:24:56 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00901; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:24:50 EST Message-Id: <9111130724.AA00901@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1318; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:23:35 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5701; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:16:06 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 18:56:14 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: that Hawkwind sound X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Way out West" at Nov 3, 91 3:27 pm Status: RO Way out West writes: > In any case, I think we can all agree that despite subtle (or not so subtle) > changes in the sound and personnel roster over the past twenty years, Hawkwind > has maintained a sound that is distinctly "Hawkwind". That is to say, one > familiar with the band could probably recognize a Hawkwind song, regardless > of whether they've heard it before or not... the band is just that distinct, > for lack of a better word. However, I am going to back off for one mom- > ent, though, and toss my hat in with the Brock supporters... he has always > seemed to me to be the central, unifying figure in the band, while everyone > else pretty much seemed to come and go (usually into their own bands ;) ) > I think the real issue is not who is in the band, so much as the music they > produce... as long as I know it's Hawkwind, I'm content. And so far, I have > no complaints. (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: Nik: "Everyone who left the band had a disagreement with Dave Brock." Bob: "Hawkwind is a domination, Brock over everybody else." Dave: "What I really need, is five clones of me playing all the instruments. Then it would be really good, I mean it would be fucking wonderful, man!" --- from "THIS IS HAWKWIND - DO NOT PANIC!", by Kris Tait :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. "You want it all but you can't have it." From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 02:28:07 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00986; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:28:01 EST Message-Id: <9111130728.AA00986@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1384; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:26:57 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5851; Wed, 13 Nov 91 02:16:54 EST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 18:25:40 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: RE>a basic history question X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Niko.Makila" at Oct 30, 91 9:35 am Status: RO Niko.Makila writes: > > I heard there's some connection between member(s) of Inner City > > Unit and Hawkwind, can someone tell me what the connection is? > > The connection is saxophonist/vocalist Nik Turner who formed > ICU when he had been thrown out from Hawkwind. [Nik Turner:] "It was agreed that when we got back to London, after the tour, we would have another meeting and sort out what we were going to do in the future. I went down to Wales, where I was living, and was told that I would be informed when the meeting was to be held. About three weeks later, I phoned the office and was told that the meeting had been held the day before I rang. I said, `But you were supposed to tell me when it was,' and they replied that they had thought that I had known. They added that Dave had something to tell me. I rang him and he began by saying, `Don't take this seriously, it doesn't mean anything, but we had a meeting without you and decided to sack you from the band!' "I stayed at Dave's house for a couple of days, just Bob Calvert, Dave and me, and they said that as soon as we got back to London they would reinstate me. Then they told me that at the same meeting they had also sacked Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell, who were the chief instigators of the `Anti-Nik' feelings. Dave and Bob decided to have another meeting when we returned to London with all the members present except Paul Rudolph, Alan Powell and Simon King. So we rang the management to tell them about the meeting. But the management rang Simon, Paul and Alan, and told them, and so this time everyone turned up. "Paul said that if I stayed on in the band, then he would leave, and Simon said that if Paul left, then he would leave. I said, `Well, look, you are going in the studio tomorrow to make a single ("Back On The Streets"). It would be a bit stupid of me to stand in the way of the band if you haven't got a bass player or a drummer.' Nik stood down, and allowed the rest of the band to go to the studio without him. Dave and Bob later asked him to rejoin the band, but by this time he had become bored with the idea and decided to call it a day. --- from "THIS IS HAWKWIND - DO NOT PANIC!", by Kris Tait Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 12:38:24 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20405; Wed, 13 Nov 91 12:38:17 EST Message-Id: <9111131738.AA20405@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2278; Wed, 13 Nov 91 12:37:06 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9901; Wed, 13 Nov 91 11:17:02 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 14:51:00 EET Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Sami Nurmela Subject: Re: HW mislabellings X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO Patrick Connor: >Speaking of mislabeling, my vinyl copy of Sonic Attack has side 1 printed >on both sides (the music that is), even though the label is correct. >I don't listen to side 2 that often! :-) Haa! My other copy of Sonic Attack is like that too. I have wondered how many such mispressings there are. Both my (vinyl) copies include the word sheet, is it true that the albums with sheet were limited edition ? I have yet to see a copy *without* the words insert :) By the way, Finland (where I live) is a funny place to collect records: it is really hard to find anything by not-so-popular artists, but if you find something, chances are that you get it incredibly cheap! For example, the mis-pressing of abovementioned Sonic Attack cost me about 4$ and the one with both sides on it about 5$ (usual second-hand LP price is 6$-8$, new LP's cost about 18$, CD's are 24$ !) -- Sami Nurmela : talk, it's only talk . king : arguments, agreements, advice, answers . crimson SNURMELA@KONTU.CC.UTU.FI : articulate announcements . 'elephant NURMELA@TUCOS.CS.UTU.FI : it's only talk . talk' From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 15:37:25 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA28108; Wed, 13 Nov 91 15:37:21 EST Message-Id: <9111132037.AA28108@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2775; Wed, 13 Nov 91 15:36:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8039; Wed, 13 Nov 91 13:27:35 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 13:25:36 -0500 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: jmalcolm%SURA.NET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: US edition Palace Springs on CD X-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Cc: jmalcolm+file+i.boc@sura.net To: Steve Swann Status: RO Now that I've listened to it a few more times, it is now apparent to me that there is a fairly distinct change in the music about 3 minutes and 45 seconds into track 3. And this is where lyrics that sound suspiciously like they are talking about a "golden void" come in. So, yeah, it looks like they managed to get the track break about 3 minutes off. (as well as mislabling them) Sigh. So I guess Warrior on the Edge of Time isn't available on CD? From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Wed Nov 13 20:40:23 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA10384; Wed, 13 Nov 91 20:40:17 EST Message-Id: <9111140140.AA10384@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3740; Wed, 13 Nov 91 20:39:11 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 7111; Wed, 13 Nov 91 18:07:43 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 16:04:45 MST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Way out West Subject: Re: US edition Palace Springs on CD To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 13 Nov 1991 13:25:36 -0500 from Status: RO Hi gang, jmalcolm laments: >So I guess Warrior on the Edge of Time isn't available on CD? If I'm not mistaken, I think I saw it recently at a place called East Side records... however, my memory ain't what it used to be, so I'll double- check and let you know. O revoir! (Yes, I know it's "Au revoire") --------------------------------------------------------- "It's loneliness that's the killer." * * -- Seal ** * ***** ** Way out West (But that's Chris Vacano ********** to the rest of the world) **** ***** ** ** From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 14 02:26:43 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA20816; Thu, 14 Nov 91 02:26:37 EST Message-Id: <9111140726.AA20816@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4721; Thu, 14 Nov 91 02:25:29 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 5266; Thu, 14 Nov 91 02:25:28 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 21:44:24 EST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan" Subject: chaoic thought X-To: BOC/Hawkwind List To: Steve Swann Status: RO just had a long talk with a music-store owner.vinal as you may know is on the way out however;a new computer system is going onto production (4 large companys)which can wipe out the over hisssss,craking and even wipe the cracks out! I wonder what some of the old HW would sound like_? comix where how they're not in the 3 shops I frequant? more info please. to the central scrutinizer;yes i knew about the english one,but this one is closer.Road trip anyone? smile it makes them wonder what youre up to dylan -- Dylan Tuatha Le Danaan -- 617.254.6249 -- wtp!dylan@ora.ora.com From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 14 13:09:22 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA14799; Thu, 14 Nov 91 13:09:13 EST Message-Id: <9111141809.AA14799@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8724; Thu, 14 Nov 91 13:09:44 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8391; Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:08:22 EST Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1991 07:51:40 -0800 Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Jason Giles Subject: Re: chaoic thought X-To: BOC-L%UBVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO does anyone know what the hell dylan is talking about? "comix where how they're not in the 3 shops I frequant? more info please." what kind of cryptic scribe is this? Dylan: try and be a little more clear about how you phrase things! I did like your line: smile it makes them wonder what youre up to Jason From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Nov 14 23:06:33 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA06909; Thu, 14 Nov 91 23:06:26 EST Message-Id: <9111150406.AA06909@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0291; Thu, 14 Nov 91 23:07:03 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9497; Thu, 14 Nov 91 19:06:26 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 15:08:37 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: The Central Scrutinizer Subject: Re: Another hawkwind compilation CD. X-To: BOC List To: Steve Swann In-Reply-To: ; from "Friends_of_Fernando_Poo" at Nov 11, 91 10:10 am Status: RO Friends_of_Fernando_Poo writes: > This one's called "Spirit of The Age" and yes, there's already a compilation > of Charisma stuff with that title. This one's on the "elite" label and the > track listing is as follows: This is going to be bloody confusing! Two compilation CDs with the same name. You'd think they'd bother to check. . Cheers, Paul. e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to. From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 15 17:56:49 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18002; Fri, 15 Nov 91 17:56:43 EST Message-Id: <9111152256.AA18002@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3022; Fri, 15 Nov 91 17:57:16 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9491; Fri, 15 Nov 91 16:11:26 EST Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1991 14:59:40 CST Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Bob Netherton Subject: Thanks for the information X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Steve Swann Status: RO When I subscribed to the list earlier in the summer it was in the hopes that I could get some information on Hawkwind. I have most of the BOC I need (Imaginos is on my Xmas list). I had been introduced to Hawkwind through Space Ritual and I didn't think much of it at the time. I liked most of the music but the poetry stuff turned me off. I wrote them off and turned to other sources of music (Metallica, Shostakovich...). I gave away the album long ago. Well I have gotten back in one of those 70's moods and I had run out of Nektar and Uriah Heep and wanted something else. Maybe it was time to give Hawkwind another shot. Based on the thread "Hawkwind for beginners" I picked up Doremi Fasol Latido. It was just what the doctor ordered. Needless to say it is getting quite a bit of play time at work and home. I would like to get some more but I am still a little apprehensive because I have no turntable and the import CD's are about $20 a pop. Given tastes towards the heavier stuff, what is the next best step ? I have read the list references to Hall of the Mountain Grille, Warrior on the Edge of Time, Leviathon, and Chronicles of the Black Sword. Any recommendations ???? Thanks, Bob From BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Fri Nov 15 21:03:41 1991 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA24332; Fri, 15 Nov 91 21:03:35 EST Message-Id: <9111160203.AA24332@acsu.buffalo.edu> Received: from ubvm.bitnet by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3900; Fri, 15 Nov 91 21:04:13 EST Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1443; Fri, 15 Nov 91 21:02:52 EST Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1991 12:32:26 GMT Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: FoFP%EDINBURGH.AC.UK@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Imperial Pompadours X-To: BOC&Hawkwind Discussion List To: Steve Swann Status: RO Does anyone know who plays on the Imperial Pompadours "Ersatz" album? Is it Calvert and Turner? FoFP From swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Nov 16 13:33:22 1991 Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA18571; Sat, 16 Nov 91 13:33:20 EST Received: by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA00723; Sat, 16 Nov 91 13:33:15 EST Date: Sat, 16 Nov 91 13:33:15 EST From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (stephen swann) Message-Id: <9111161833.AA00723@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Hawkwind lyrics available Status: RO Hi folks, I know you're all just dying of anticipation for this... :-) The Hawkwind lyrics are available now, for a limited time only :-) in a single file, once again referred to as the Hawkwind Lyric Book. The difference between this and the last offerring of the lyric book (several months ago) is that MANY songs have been added, and the whole thing has been cleaned up and spell checked. Many thanks are due to the people who helped with this, particularly Mike Holmes, the Friends of Fernando Poo :-) and Paul Mather. The lyric book is available for a limited time because it is 131 kbytes long, and it is eating my disk quota for breakfast. :-) I will very soon begin breaking the lyric book up by individual albums, and they will again be available in that format, hopefully in the near future. In the meanwhile, if anybody has an ftp location that would accept this large a submission, that would probably be MOST useful. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve