From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Dec 4 05:13:07 2013 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 05:13:07 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock AND Kozmik Ken Experience shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #321), and The Kozmik Ken Experience (show #29). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #321) Census of Hallucinations - "Stars" (from Coming Of The Unicorn) Carlton Melton - "Sarsen" (from Always Even) Wooden Shjips - "Other Stars" (from Back To Land) Civilian Zen - "Neon Sun" (from forthcoming Tell Lie Vision) Crystal Jacqueline - "Light Is Love" (from Sun Arise) Crystal Jacqueline - "Fly A Kite" (from Sun Arise) Insider - "Magnetic Field Lines" (from Event Horizon) Insider - "Event Horizon" (from Event Horizon) Manthra Dei - "Stone Face" (from Manthra Dei) The Bob Lennon Experience - "Seroquel" / "Turds In Motion" (from Exploring Your Diseased Mind) Charles Rice Goff III - "The Lament" (The Open Fist Of Fate) Stephen Palmer - "Winter Solstice Part 1" (from Winter Solstice) The Longtails - "The Psychedelic" (from The Longtails: 1980-81) Skinbat Scramble - "Eternity" (from Volume 5: the Lost Book of the Psychedelic Pirates) The Kozmik Ken Experience (show #29) Alice Tambourine Lover - Falling Deep Inside (from Star Lovers) Spirits of the Earth - Multi-Dimensional Axis Antenna (from The Rise of the Oak King) Zendad - Capricorn One (from Evolution Entities) Permanent Clear Light - Harvest Time (from Beyond These Things Mandragora Lightshow Society - Cosmic Sounds (from The Mind-Expanding TripRock Compilation) Babble - The Boy Who Saw True (from Shape of the Flux) Hawklords - Dream A Dream (from Dream) Djinn - Free Like Us (from Last Wish) Sh'mantra - Sunburst on the Cayman Trench (from Formula Orange) http://Aural-Innovations.com From simlangford at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 16 13:06:43 2013 From: simlangford at GMAIL.COM (Si Langford) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:06:43 +0000 Subject: Test Message-ID: Teste -- Si From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 16 13:25:27 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:25:27 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/16/13, Si Langford wrote: > Teste Testes!! welcome friend I think you can find a PTV fan here.....or 2... this is a friend in Portugal that has come at my request, dear Mikey Rotten friends.. merry krampus!! been quuiet lately!~! From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Dec 16 13:28:07 2013 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (LucidSound) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:28:07 -0000 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike C still here? -----Original Message----- From: mike c Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Test On 12/16/13, Si Langford wrote: > Teste Testes!! welcome friend I think you can find a PTV fan here.....or 2... this is a friend in Portugal that has come at my request, dear Mikey Rotten friends.. merry krampus!! been quuiet lately!~! From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 16 13:31:21 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:31:21 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <69BA7F83294140599DA16A88F11F8CA7@LucidPC> Message-ID: On 12/16/13, LucidSound wrote: > Mike C still here? > of course, i would NEVER leave you. From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Dec 16 13:34:35 2013 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (LucidSound) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:34:35 -0000 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This, I am glad to hear :-) -----Original Message----- From: mike c Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:31 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Test On 12/16/13, LucidSound wrote: > Mike C still here? > of course, i would NEVER leave you. From jt_ at COX.NET Mon Dec 16 15:40:50 2013 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:40:50 -0600 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus in Box Set .. Why, Al .. why?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As I order the box set ... Happy Cultmas day to me ... I read that the first quarter second of "Deadline"'s opening guitar strum is STILL cut off. Long after the CD was originally mastered in 1988 or whatever, Vic Anesini still couldn't find that 8 inches of tape?! Oh well. Time to finally go looking for the UK remaster. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 10:27:12 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:27:12 -0600 Subject: OFF) The Cosmic Dead Message-ID: Just tossing this out- heard they were good scottish comments appreciated From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 17 16:30:30 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:30:30 -0500 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Having computer troubles -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 1:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Test On 12/16/13, Si Langford wrote: > Teste Testes!! welcome friend I think you can find a PTV fan here.....or 2... this is a friend in Portugal that has come at my request, dear Mikey Rotten friends.. merry krampus!! been quuiet lately!~! From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:10:57 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:10:57 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <52b0c2ed.431ce00a.6d65.ffffc3f5SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 12/17/13, mary sullivan wrote: > Having computer troubles hi mary and i wish to append what I said yesterday: while I have no plans to lose touch with LucidSounD(s), I really meant I would never leave BOC-L unless asked to, or informed that I messed it up single handedly. that said, been wondering about you Mary.... Is it time to call yet?? if Hawkwind doesn't come to Dallas, does that mean I need to cover my head when I go out?? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:15:10 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:15:10 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yeah, and Mary I would say you need to get on a plane or a greyhoud, or hitchhike here to hear PT on the "holodeck" in DYNASOUND. I will probably still need to charge you something, but likely just 3 bucks or so :) On 12/17/13, mike c wrote: > On 12/17/13, mary sullivan wrote: >> Having computer troubles > > hi mary > and i wish to append what I said yesterday: > > while I have no plans to lose touch with LucidSounD(s), I really meant > I would never leave BOC-L unless asked to, or informed that I messed > it up single handedly. > > that said, been wondering about you Mary.... > Is it time to call yet?? > > if Hawkwind doesn't come to Dallas, does that mean I need to cover my > head when I go out?? > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:21:56 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:21:56 +0800 Subject: OFF) The Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is some free stuff on Bandcamp. Have not got round to listening to it yet! On 17 December 2013 23:27, mike c wrote: > Just tossing this out- > > heard they were good > > scottish > > comments appreciated > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:22:18 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:22:18 +0800 Subject: OFF) The Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://thecosmicdead.bandcamp.com/ On 18 December 2013 08:21, Jonathan Smith wrote: > There is some free stuff on Bandcamp. Have not got round to listening to > it yet! > > > On 17 December 2013 23:27, mike c wrote: > >> Just tossing this out- >> >> heard they were good >> >> scottish >> >> comments appreciated >> > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:36:25 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mikey rotten) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:36:25 -0600 Subject: OFF) The Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/17/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > http://thecosmicdead.bandcamp.com/ Bless you sir, (and) after my friend told me he saw them the other night, he pointed to the now famous term "blanga". Isn't that Steve S' term?? and I looked at this: http://www.heavyplanet.net/2011/09/new-band-to-burn-one-to-morning-buzz_26.html ___________________________________________________________________ I'm not competing with Johnny in ANY way, but I know it fits naturally. It's my very own kind From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 19:44:14 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:44:14 +0800 Subject: OFF) The Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This tells you about BLANGA On 18 December 2013 08:36, mikey rotten wrote: > On 12/17/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > http://thecosmicdead.bandcamp.com/ > > > Bless you sir, (and) after my friend told me he saw them the other > night, he pointed to the now famous term "blanga". > > Isn't that Steve S' term?? > > and I looked at this: > > > http://www.heavyplanet.net/2011/09/new-band-to-burn-one-to-morning-buzz_26.html > > ___________________________________________________________________ > I'm not competing with Johnny in ANY way, but I know it fits > naturally. It's my very own kind > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 17 21:52:21 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:52:21 -0500 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll start saving. Takes a real long time to receive messages right now. Will keep you informed. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:15 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Test Oh yeah, and Mary I would say you need to get on a plane or a greyhoud, or hitchhike here to hear PT on the "holodeck" in DYNASOUND. I will probably still need to charge you something, but likely just 3 bucks or so :) On 12/17/13, mike c wrote: > On 12/17/13, mary sullivan wrote: >> Having computer troubles > > hi mary > and i wish to append what I said yesterday: > > while I have no plans to lose touch with LucidSounD(s), I really meant > I would never leave BOC-L unless asked to, or informed that I messed > it up single handedly. > > that said, been wondering about you Mary.... > Is it time to call yet?? > > if Hawkwind doesn't come to Dallas, does that mean I need to cover my > head when I go out?? > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Dec 17 22:09:16 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mikey rotten) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:09:16 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <52b10e45.460de50a.2fe6.ffffc01fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 12/17/13, mary sullivan wrote: > I'll start saving. Takes a real long time to receive messages right now. > Will keep you informed. sooner or later I will find out if one of the "I was there" t-shirts has your name on it, along with the fake stick-on cold sores. "it's all a matter of time" From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Wed Dec 18 06:14:36 2013 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:14:36 +0000 Subject: OFF:Cosmic Dead Message-ID: Hej Folks Yes.. Cosmic Dead from Glasgow play some pretty cool spaced out stuff. Their first tape and now LP release is pretty Hawkwind like blanga but the newer stuff is more floating and atmospheric but also with some intense spaced out jams at the ends often. I only saw them live at Roadburn Festival last year since they have never been to Denmark but they were great.. I have all their releases. I have just reviewed the new split LP they have out with Pigs x7 but have not posted it on my blog. If you search my blog there are a few reviews of their tapes and lps.. http://writingaboutmusic.blogspot.com Peace. Scott From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Dec 18 09:18:17 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mikey rotten) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:18:17 -0600 Subject: OFF:Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thank you Scott, also thanks for all the reviews. meant to say that last time AND alwaya glad when you get to go see a major HW event, and I often think (at those times): why couldn't MY life have worked out better hmmm god?? cheers! On 12/18/13, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Hej Folks > > Yes.. Cosmic Dead from Glasgow play some pretty cool spaced out stuff. Their > first tape and now LP release is pretty Hawkwind like blanga but the newer > stuff is more floating and atmospheric but also with some intense spaced out > jams at the ends often. I only saw them live at Roadburn Festival last year > since they have never been to Denmark but they were great.. I have all their > releases. I have just reviewed the new split LP they have out with Pigs x7 > but have not posted it on my blog. If you search my blog there are a few > reviews of their tapes and lps.. > > http://writingaboutmusic.blogspot.com > > Peace. > Scott > From MaryAnn.Sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Dec 18 09:45:19 2013 From: MaryAnn.Sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Ann Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: OFF:Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll start walking -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mikey rotten Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:18 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF:Cosmic Dead thank you Scott, also thanks for all the reviews. meant to say that last time AND alwaya glad when you get to go see a major HW event, and I often think (at those times): why couldn't MY life have worked out better hmmm god?? cheers! On 12/18/13, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Hej Folks > > Yes.. Cosmic Dead from Glasgow play some pretty cool spaced out stuff. > Their first tape and now LP release is pretty Hawkwind like blanga but > the newer stuff is more floating and atmospheric but also with some > intense spaced out jams at the ends often. I only saw them live at > Roadburn Festival last year since they have never been to Denmark but > they were great.. I have all their releases. I have just reviewed the > new split LP they have out with Pigs x7 but have not posted it on my > blog. If you search my blog there are a few reviews of their tapes and lps.. > > http://writingaboutmusic.blogspot.com > > Peace. > Scott > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Dec 18 10:02:07 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mikey rotten) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:02:07 -0600 Subject: OFF:Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: <52b1b56d.4389e00a.1547.3f62SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/13, Mary Ann Sullivan wrote: > I'll start walking elswhere, I said Television already existed when I was born so it never amazxed me like it does some people, and I do not remember how thrilling my first stereo syetem actuallly was, but: was the first time marijuana "worked" and i got so stoned I could not get up and walk and was left to lay on the couch staring at the paint spots swirl on the ceiling, better?? was getting a motorcycle at age 9, more "thrilling" ? I have yet to decide, as far as it is, I would say, pack your backpack until you can hardly keep from falling over and come on!! some recent good news is I have amased some chairs. the fact that you will niot see them is a plus for me, and this can of GLADE "clean linen" smells killer. I love an excuse to use it!!! come on Mary. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Dec 18 10:55:48 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:55:48 -0600 Subject: OFF:Cosmic Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got the joke too late!! I bet Scott's got dynasound!! off to buy dentatemp, please pray for me even if I am annoying On 12/18/13, mikey rotten wrote: > On 12/18/13, Mary Ann Sullivan wrote: >> I'll start walking > > elswhere, I said > > Television already existed when I was born so it never amazxed me like > it does some people, and I do not remember how thrilling my first > stereo syetem actuallly was, but: > > was the first time marijuana "worked" and i got so stoned I could not > get up and walk and was left to lay on the couch staring at the paint > spots swirl on the ceiling, better?? > > was getting a motorcycle at age 9, more "thrilling" ? > > I have yet to decide, as far as it is, I would say, pack your backpack > until you can hardly keep from falling over and come on!! > > some recent good news is I have amased some chairs. the fact that you > will niot see them is a plus for me, and this can of GLADE "clean > linen" smells killer. > I love an excuse to use it!!! > > come on Mary. > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Dec 18 19:47:40 2013 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:47:40 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: I've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #322). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #322) Manikin Timeshark - "Airspace" (from A Trick In Time) Black Sun Ensemble - "Captain Wormwood" (from Behind Purple Clouds) Eric Johnson - "The Device" (from Eric Johnson's Action Figures) Outer Temple - "Fantastic Voyage" (from Outer Temple) Aural Innovations ID (by Stone Premonitions) The Luck Of Eden Hall - "Wonderful Red Stockings" (from Noel & Other Holiday Classics) The Luck Of Eden Hall - "The Little Drummer" (from Noel & Other Holiday Classics) Space Mushroom Fuzz - "Wreckage" (from Stealing Some Time) Space Mushroom Fuzz - "For a Lifetime" (from A Possible Paradox) The Outerspace Milkmen - "Milkshake" (from Atomilk) The Large Veiny Members - "Dancing Ants" (from Godspunk Vol. 13) Howl in the Typewriter - "The RooHniverse" (from Godspunk Vol. 13) Mac of BIOnight - "Past Lives" (from From Other Planets) Mac of BIOnight - "EN" (from Irreality) Aural Innovations ID (by Stone Premonitions) Charles Rice Goff III - "Escape From Akimbo" (excerpt) (from Escape From Akimbo) Star Period Star - "A Means To An End" (from Can't See The Forest) Aural Innovations ID (by Star Period Star) Star Period Star - "At Laughing Distance" (from Jet Propulsion Mystery Summer) White Hills - "Rare Upon The Earth" (from So You Are. So You'll Be) Can - "Oh Yeah" (from Tago Mago) http://Aural-Innovations.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 10:58:26 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:58:26 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover Message-ID: My "friend" ( who saw cosmic dead recently), apparantly got noided when Mary came on, looks like he thiought she was talking to him :) : he didn't actually underastand the what and the how of BOC-L. and got the predetermined result he likely wanted anyway... he tends to be very concerned about security (also), and anyway, I forwarded your reply Scott, thanks again for that. and yours Jonathan!! By the way, "Angela Android" now exists as a corporate voice program (here?) that can potentially "telemarket your arse", and i heard "her" getting "busted" on the radio. it was pretty amusing. She refuses to admit that she is a "robot" so now the question remains "do we (you) force companies to disclose that you are in fact, flirting with a robot on the phone and not a human being :) KNOW YOUR SERCO From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Dec 19 11:54:17 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:54:17 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that, Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other friends. There's a test to determine whether you're talking to a human or robot,(the Touring Test), Mike, I'm sure you, and most others here are familiar with this. Later, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:58 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover My "friend" ( who saw cosmic dead recently), apparantly got noided when Mary came on, looks like he thiought she was talking to him :) : he didn't actually underastand the what and the how of BOC-L. and got the predetermined result he likely wanted anyway... he tends to be very concerned about security (also), and anyway, I forwarded your reply Scott, thanks again for that. and yours Jonathan!! By the way, "Angela Android" now exists as a corporate voice program (here?) that can potentially "telemarket your arse", and i heard "her" getting "busted" on the radio. it was pretty amusing. She refuses to admit that she is a "robot" so now the question remains "do we (you) force companies to disclose that you are in fact, flirting with a robot on the phone and not a human being :) KNOW YOUR SERCO From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 12:06:23 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:06:23 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52b32542.c623310a.7fb2.709aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The "Turing Test" is a bit more subtle than that. It was actually devised to test if an "Artificial Intelligence" was as intelligent as a human. The thought being if you can hold a conversation with an entity and can't discern if it is a robot, then it has "human-like" intelligence. The test is actually not taken very seriously by AI researchers as it is very subjective. It is also very often wrong. There is a famous story regarding a group researchers actually applying the Turing Test to a set of humans and software simulations (basically chat bots.) One of the human subjects was very well versed in Shakespeare, and the person administering the test could not believe that an actual human could know that much about Shakespeare and so labeled the person a robot incorrectly. Applications of the Turing Test are wrought with this kind of mix up. Also, the Turing Test isn't very good at determining actual intelligence in the sense most of us look for in AIs. There are very simple chat bots that can hold seemingly meaningful conversations for extended periods and thus pass the Turing Test. These bots are nothing more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. Nathan -- (a semester away from a) PhD in AI. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, mary sullivan wrote: > Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that, > Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other friends. > There's a test to determine whether you're talking to a human or robot,(the > Touring Test), Mike, I'm sure you, and most others here are familiar with > this. > Later, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of mike c > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:58 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID > voiceover > > My "friend" ( who saw cosmic dead recently), apparantly got noided when Mary > came on, looks like he thiought she was talking to him :) : > he didn't actually underastand the what and the how of BOC-L. and got the > predetermined result he likely wanted anyway... > > he tends to be very concerned about security (also), and anyway, I forwarded > your reply Scott, thanks again for that. and yours Jonathan!! > > By the way, "Angela Android" now exists as a corporate voice program > (here?) that can potentially "telemarket your arse", and i heard "her" > getting "busted" on the radio. it was pretty amusing. > She refuses to admit that she is a "robot" > > so now the question remains "do we (you) force companies to disclose that > you are in fact, flirting with a robot on the phone and not a human being :) > > KNOW YOUR SERCO From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Dec 19 12:21:31 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:21:31 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Nathan, What tests do they use now? (wink) I have a degree in psychology and am always interested in matters of the mind. Thanks for the info, I did question the reliability of the test, unfortunately research (and creativity), are not my strong suits. Feel free to write me off list, given the time. This is what I love about this group, there are so many smart people here. It's always a pleasure to be on the fringe of an intelligent discussion where I can absorb more information. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Nathan Gilbert Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:06 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover The "Turing Test" is a bit more subtle than that. It was actually devised to test if an "Artificial Intelligence" was as intelligent as a human. The thought being if you can hold a conversation with an entity and can't discern if it is a robot, then it has "human-like" intelligence. The test is actually not taken very seriously by AI researchers as it is very subjective. It is also very often wrong. There is a famous story regarding a group researchers actually applying the Turing Test to a set of humans and software simulations (basically chat bots.) One of the human subjects was very well versed in Shakespeare, and the person administering the test could not believe that an actual human could know that much about Shakespeare and so labeled the person a robot incorrectly. Applications of the Turing Test are wrought with this kind of mix up. Also, the Turing Test isn't very good at determining actual intelligence in the sense most of us look for in AIs. There are very simple chat bots that can hold seemingly meaningful conversations for extended periods and thus pass the Turing Test. These bots are nothing more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. Nathan -- (a semester away from a) PhD in AI. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, mary sullivan wrote: > Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that, > Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other friends. > There's a test to determine whether you're talking to a human or > robot,(the Touring Test), Mike, I'm sure you, and most others here are > familiar with this. > Later, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:58 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > A.ANDROID voiceover > > My "friend" ( who saw cosmic dead recently), apparantly got noided > when Mary came on, looks like he thiought she was talking to him :) : > he didn't actually underastand the what and the how of BOC-L. and got > the predetermined result he likely wanted anyway... > > he tends to be very concerned about security (also), and anyway, I > forwarded your reply Scott, thanks again for that. and yours Jonathan!! > > By the way, "Angela Android" now exists as a corporate voice program > (here?) that can potentially "telemarket your arse", and i heard "her" > getting "busted" on the radio. it was pretty amusing. > She refuses to admit that she is a "robot" > > so now the question remains "do we (you) force companies to disclose > that you are in fact, flirting with a robot on the phone and not a > human being :) > > KNOW YOUR SERCO From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 13:22:42 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:22:42 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52b32542.c623310a.7fb2.709aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/13, mary sullivan wrote: > Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that, > Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other Actually let me be the apology!! I was highly annoyed that I came on here and did what I am best known for, when I finally got myself under control. (and could have remained that way a little longer, indefinitely) He incurred my "wrath", but in a 'controlled crash" kind of way. I took care of everything and everyone, and you were all exalted to the highest limits. in fact that was done beforehand as well/ I said "most of them are geniuses" of a sort. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Dec 19 15:55:13 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:55:13 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps mad geniuses? Thanks for taking care of any miscommunications. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:23 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover On 12/19/13, mary sullivan wrote: > Hey Mike, sorry 'bout that, > Sorry I weirded out your friend,best wishes to Scott, and all other Actually let me be the apology!! I was highly annoyed that I came on here and did what I am best known for, when I finally got myself under control. (and could have remained that way a little longer, indefinitely) He incurred my "wrath", but in a 'controlled crash" kind of way. I took care of everything and everyone, and you were all exalted to the highest limits. in fact that was done beforehand as well/ I said "most of them are geniuses" of a sort. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 16:18:35 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:18:35 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/19/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: . These bots are nothing > more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then > clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. > Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. Apparently the chatbot I heard was award winning programming (for lack of the correct term), originating in Italy Apparently as soon as "she" was "busted", she mysterriously disappeared- after the man continually insisted that he needed to hear her actually SAY "I am NOT a robot". According to the conspirecy oriented radio show this could be a coming problem :) she was ditzy, but it was still a bit freaky, I thought :) From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 16:27:39 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:27:39 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, it seems the story is a bit more bizarre. The "chat-bot" was actually a real live person, but working in a call center in India or somewhere. In order to negate any accent issues, the call center made the employees use a program that had a bunch of pre-recorded phrases in that sterile voice. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-only-thing-weirder-than-a-telemarketing-robot/282282/ On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, mike c wrote: > On 12/19/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > . These bots are nothing >> more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then >> clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. >> Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. > > Apparently the chatbot I heard was award winning programming (for lack > of the correct term), originating in Italy Apparently as soon as > "she" was "busted", she mysterriously disappeared- after the man > continually insisted that he needed to hear her actually SAY "I am NOT > a robot". > > According to the conspirecy oriented radio show this could be a coming > problem :) > > she was ditzy, but it was still a bit freaky, I thought :) From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 18:53:37 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:53:37 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is Phildickian! On 20 December 2013 05:27, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > Actually, it seems the story is a bit more bizarre. The "chat-bot" was > actually a real live person, but working in a call center in India or > somewhere. In order to negate any accent issues, the call center made > the employees use a program that had a bunch of pre-recorded phrases > in that sterile voice. > > > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-only-thing-weirder-than-a-telemarketing-robot/282282/ > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, mike c wrote: > > On 12/19/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > > . These bots are nothing > >> more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then > >> clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. > >> Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. > > > > Apparently the chatbot I heard was award winning programming (for lack > > of the correct term), originating in Italy Apparently as soon as > > "she" was "busted", she mysterriously disappeared- after the man > > continually insisted that he needed to hear her actually SAY "I am NOT > > a robot". > > > > According to the conspirecy oriented radio show this could be a coming > > problem :) > > > > she was ditzy, but it was still a bit freaky, I thought :) > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 20:51:07 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:51:07 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > This is Phildickian! http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=28121 From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 21:45:30 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:45:30 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Weird! On 20 December 2013 09:51, mike c wrote: > On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > This is Phildickian! > > http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=28121 > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 19 21:54:52 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:54:52 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > Weird! I didn't listen because I am busy growling and cursing in pain and blaming religious friends for not doing the work of god themselves, like be around to take me to hospital, but (I think I got it licked for a bit, again) looks like i heard the "real unreal" deal,,,,, My shows are good!!! remember, all you smell, think, do, say, want, dream, etc, is now all controlled. Nobody is a "me", ANYMORE :) and there are no leaders you can blame!!! From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Dec 20 04:23:39 2013 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:23:39 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com I've just uploaded 3 new shows from the Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel archives. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel Shows #18: SPACEROCK & PSYCHEDELIA SPECIAL (Originally broadcast September 19, 2009) The Deep Freeze Mice - "Ant Men" (from Live in Switzerland - 1982) Stormclouds - "Psychotronic" (from Not Of This Earth - 1996) Dark Sun - "Feed Your Mind" (from Feed Your Mind - 1996) Alan Davey - "Angel Down" (from Eclectic Devils - 2009) Michael Moorcock - "Kings Of Speed (Bonus Track)" (from The New Worlds Fair - 1975) Hawkwind - "We Like To Be Frightened (Bonus Track)" (from P.X.R.5. Remaster - 1979) Hawkwind - "Reptoid Vision - Keeper Of The Reptoid" (from Hawkwind Passport 1997) Dave Brock - "Sweet Obsession" (from Earthed To The Ground - 1987) Soft Boys - "Rock 'n' Roll Toilet" (from Invisible Hits - 1985) Here & Now - "End Of The Beginning" (from All Over the Show - 1979) Gong - "Mystic Sister / Magick Brother" (from Magick Brother - 1969) Dead Moon - "Fire In The Western World" (from Strange Pray Tell - 1991) Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel Shows #19: HAWKWIND AND SPACEROCK RELATIONS SPECIAL (Originally broadcast March 6, 2010) Tim Blake - "Generator" (from Blake's New Jerusalem - 1979) Litmus - "Destroy The Mothership" (from Planetfall - 2007) Dave Brock - "Now Is The Winter" (from Earthed To The Ground - 1987) Dave Brock - "On The Case" (from Earthed To The Ground - 1987) Kingston Wall - "Alt-Land-Is" (from III: Tri-Logy - 1994) Kingston Wall - "Party Goes On" (III: Tri-Logy - 1994) Bauhaus - "Bela Lugosi's Dead" (from Bela Lugosi's Dead EP - 1978) Marillion - "The Answering Machine" (from Radiation - 1998) Inner City Unit - "Blood & Bone" (from Punkadelic - 1983) Inner City Unit - "Forbidden Planet" (from New Anatomy - 1985) Monster Magnet - "I'm Five Years Ahead Of My Time" (from Dopes To Infinity single B side - 1995) Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel Shows #20: TWELFTH NIGHT SPECIAL PT. 1 / JEFFERSON STARSHIP & CO. SPECIAL (Originally broadcast Twelfth Night - "Art And Illusion" (from Collectors Item [live]) Twelfth Night - "After The Eclipse" (from Live At The Target) Twelfth Night - "East To West" (from Live At The Target) Twelfth Night - "Aspidistra" (from Voices In The Night) Paul Kantner & Grace Slick - "Silver Spoon" (from Sunfighter) Paul Kantner & Grace Slick - "Sunfighter" (from Sunfighter) Paul Kanter, Grace Slick & David Freiberg - "Ballad Of The Chrome Nun" (from Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun) Paul Kanter, Grace Slick & David Freiberg - "Fat" (from Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun) Jefferson Starship - "Fast Buck Freddie" (from Red Octopus) Paul Kanter, Grace Slick & David Freiberg - "Sketches Of China" (from Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun) http://Aural-Innovations.com From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Dec 20 07:08:02 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:08:02 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just letting' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "why does the porigebird lay his egg in the air" Firesign Theater. Note, the lack of intake of breath for the most part on the robot, only when laughing, and it seemed to me when a bit unsure, and trying to sound more human. People have become programmed so heavily that many would automatically comply with the call. Creepy, indeed, thanks. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover Weird! On 20 December 2013 09:51, mike c wrote: > On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > This is Phildickian! > > http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=28121 > From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 20 08:45:43 2013 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:45:43 +0000 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/12/2013 17:06, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > Also, the Turing Test isn't very good at determining actual > intelligence in the sense most of us look for in AIs. There are very > simple chat bots that can hold seemingly meaningful conversations for > extended periods and thus pass the Turing Test. These bots are nothing > more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then > clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. > Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. You're begging the question there in assuming that a digital algorithmic system cannot be "intelligent". I think that's the error Searle makes in his "Chinese Room" analogy. The kind of intelligence we find "meaningful" is perhaps better signified by the word "sentience"? FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 20 08:48:42 2013 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:48:42 +0000 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20/12/2013 01:51, mike c wrote: > On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> This is Phildickian! Sorry. We don't do "Dick" jokes here.. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 09:45:05 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:45:05 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52B44A07.5000804@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think that it will be possible to simulate (or duplicate) human-like intelligence someday. We don't understand the mind enough nor have the computing capacity required to do so. I think Searle's thought experiment is good at elucidating that there is more to "intelligence" than simple symbol manipulation, which is what all current chat bots, Watsons, Deep Blues are doing. I like the term sentience better as well when we are speaking about human-like, HAL 9000 "intelligence". On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Mike Holmes wrote: > On 19/12/2013 17:06, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > >> Also, the Turing Test isn't very good at determining actual >> intelligence in the sense most of us look for in AIs. There are very >> simple chat bots that can hold seemingly meaningful conversations for >> extended periods and thus pass the Turing Test. These bots are nothing >> more than a collection of pattern recognition algorithms and if/then >> clauses, basically on the par with the intelligence of a thermostat. >> Not the kind of intelligence we find meaningful. > > > You're begging the question there in assuming that a digital algorithmic > system cannot be "intelligent". I think that's the error Searle makes in his > "Chinese Room" analogy. > > The kind of intelligence we find "meaningful" is perhaps better signified by > the word "sentience"? > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 09:57:51 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:57:51 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > computing capacity required to do so. I think Searle's thought > experiment is good at elucidating that there is more to "intelligence" > than simple symbol manipulation, which is what all current chat bots, > Watsons, Deep Blues are doing. That comes off sounding like I'm advocating Searle's position, I didn't intend that, as it's still an open question whether or not the human mind is just manipulating symbols at the most basic level too. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 10:09:00 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:09:00 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I like the term sentience better as well when we are speaking about > human-like, HAL 9000 "intelligence". speaking of that- god i love my night courses http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/12/10 From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 10:13:52 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:13:52 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love listening to C2C on some nights, that episode looks good. Maybe the music of the moon was Hawkwind... (or Pink Floyd.) :-) The recent Simon Pegg movie Paul postulates that the "grey alien" archetype has been feed to the world in order to "ready" ourselves for first contact. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Mikey Rotten wrote: >> I like the term sentience better as well when we are speaking about >> human-like, HAL 9000 "intelligence". > > speaking of that- > > god i love my night courses > http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/12/10 From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Dec 20 11:46:53 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:46:53 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52B44ABA.2070602@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ironically I've been in the process, of reading, and just finished Flow My Tears The Policeman Said, which wasn't previously available to me on Bookshare, a service where I can download from a fairly wide variety of books for $50 a year, if you can tolerate the mechanical reader it's a cheap way to get the information, compared to those read by real people. I also finished reading Graham Nash's new one, which I also enjoyed a lot of the stuff he talked about brought me back to my childhood. The only side affect being I have 60's pop songs in my head now, I'll exorcize those when Tim gets the stereo up and running again. Being temporarily without speakers due to remodeling of this very small space, I'm stuck with headphones, (Tim will have the sound set up again, tomorrow), with a headache I need to, for now, be selective in what I listen to. No Motorhead right now, maybe later with the speakers. If I go for music something spacy with lots of trippy affects and panning, but kind of mellow. Maybe I'll find a good science fiction movie on Netflix, or something with dialogue. . Tim's at work, and I'm trying to distract my brain (naturally), from this migraine, which is depriving me of sleep. since Tim wakes early, I tend to (lately, unfortunately) as well. Since I've never had a fixed sense of time, I don't mind the lack of sleep in that way, but I get cranky if I can't sleep, (and dream, for a bit), unfortunately, I'm not fun to be around if awake for more than a few days with the headache, with all there is to do, I eventually get bored.. Sometimes I wish a stereo was simple to hook up like the old days, a plug for each channel, no color coding, or whatever's used now. Sorry for the self-obsessed ramble, Mike, nice to read your posting, I hope you're well. All this a.i. stuff is way over my head, I find the discussion, "fascinating," very informative, thanks to you, and Nathan and I'll read up on Searle's thought experiment. Mike C. I may be listening in more on your Coasttocoast night course, if I start getting less sleep at night as I've been told to expect. That and Ground 0 will be a good use of that time, Stimulation of the brain can do a lot to help with perception in pain. Some of the topics aren't my thing, but I will be glad to have intelligent life out there at 2 in the morning if I can't sleep. It is billed as "entertainment," often from the shows I have heard I find it to be much more than that, many of the topics are thought provoking. The sources are highly intelligent, and seem credible. If I didn't have that damned headache the sleep deprivation can be kind of a trip for a couple of days, after that it's no fun, and counterproductive cognitively. Thanks again for the info, and sentience is a better term than a.i. A happy Solstice to all, (I really enjoy the winter), Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Holmes Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover On 20/12/2013 01:51, mike c wrote: > On 12/19/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> This is Phildickian! Sorry. We don't do "Dick" jokes here.. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 12:17:36 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:17:36 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/20/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > I love listening to C2C on some nights, that episode looks good. Maybe > the music of the moon was Hawkwind... (or Pink Floyd.) :-) > > The recent Simon Pegg movie Paul postulates that the "grey alien" > archetype has been feed to the world in order to "ready" ourselves for > first contact. as nice as George is, he gets on my nerves (pretty badly), but I must say that episode was OUTSTANDING. I also noticed that it seems to be available to me as an MP3 file, which I think I can do. I thought they charge for any of that nowdays. As far as the aliens, there is no doubt to me that the world is operating on a huge lie, but as to the exact nature of them, I believe nothing concrete, but am CONSTANTLY on the case. I know the Germans were not bullshitting when they said they had help "from the people of other worlds" as i said "your prisons are your own making" :) if it CAN be herded it surely will be herded :) I find myself seriously asking: could the cycles of humanity really be mass harvests?? hehehe From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 13:06:33 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:06:33 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sorry the preaching and I got the "mass harvest" question from "unsealed alien files" pretty heavy stuff for standard TV. must be disinfo, still, it's "great" enough if true!!! anything's better than we what got :) what could be more horrifying than humans not having to get in line with nature and find out they are just another link in the food chain :) On 12/20/13, Mikey Rotten wrote: > On 12/20/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: >> I love listening to C2C on some nights, that episode looks good. Maybe >> the music of the moon was Hawkwind... (or Pink Floyd.) :-) >> >> The recent Simon Pegg movie Paul postulates that the "grey alien" >> archetype has been feed to the world in order to "ready" ourselves for >> first contact. > > > as nice as George is, he gets on my nerves (pretty badly), but I must > say that episode was OUTSTANDING. > I also noticed that it seems to be available to me as an MP3 file, > which I think I can do. I thought they charge for any of that nowdays. > > As far as the aliens, there is no doubt to me that the world is > operating on a huge lie, but as to the exact nature of them, I believe > nothing concrete, but am CONSTANTLY on the case. > I know the Germans were not bullshitting when they said they had help > "from the people of other worlds" > > as i said "your prisons are your own making" :) > if it CAN be herded it surely will be herded :) > > I find myself seriously asking: could the cycles of humanity really be > mass harvests?? hehehe > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 19:16:10 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:16:10 -0600 Subject: OFF) "Shreddies", they're not just poofy spandexed guitarists anymore! Message-ID: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/shreddies-are-flatulence-filtering-underwear/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=g1&utm_campaign=g1trend go Britain?? sorry, thought I should send something "hopeful" I bet Mary will "have to have" some :) :P From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 19:34:28 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:34:28 +0800 Subject: OFF) "Shreddies", they're not just poofy spandexed guitarists anymore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Brits know their farts! On 21 December 2013 08:16, Mikey Rotten wrote: > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/shreddies-are-flatulence-filtering-underwear/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=g1&utm_campaign=g1trend > > > go Britain?? > > > sorry, thought I should send something "hopeful" > > I bet Mary will "have to have" some :) :P > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 19:35:19 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:35:19 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love all PKD's novels...., On 21 December 2013 02:06, Mikey Rotten wrote: > sorry the preaching and I got the "mass harvest" question from > "unsealed alien files" > > pretty heavy stuff for standard TV. > > must be disinfo, still, it's "great" enough if true!!! > > anything's better than we what got :) > what could be more horrifying than humans not having to get in line > with nature and find out they are just another link in the food chain > :) > > On 12/20/13, Mikey Rotten wrote: > > On 12/20/13, Nathan Gilbert wrote: > >> I love listening to C2C on some nights, that episode looks good. Maybe > >> the music of the moon was Hawkwind... (or Pink Floyd.) :-) > >> > >> The recent Simon Pegg movie Paul postulates that the "grey alien" > >> archetype has been feed to the world in order to "ready" ourselves for > >> first contact. > > > > > > as nice as George is, he gets on my nerves (pretty badly), but I must > > say that episode was OUTSTANDING. > > I also noticed that it seems to be available to me as an MP3 file, > > which I think I can do. I thought they charge for any of that nowdays. > > > > As far as the aliens, there is no doubt to me that the world is > > operating on a huge lie, but as to the exact nature of them, I believe > > nothing concrete, but am CONSTANTLY on the case. > > I know the Germans were not bullshitting when they said they had help > > "from the people of other worlds" > > > > as i said "your prisons are your own making" :) > > if it CAN be herded it surely will be herded :) > > > > I find myself seriously asking: could the cycles of humanity really be > > mass harvests?? hehehe > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 19:37:59 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:37:59 -0600 Subject: OFF) "Shreddies", they're not just poofy spandexed guitarists anymore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > The Brits know their farts! somebody's GOT to send Nik a pair From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 19:47:34 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:47:34 +0800 Subject: OFF) "Shreddies", they're not just poofy spandexed guitarists anymore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The it would just be Nik Turner's Hawk! On 21 December 2013 08:37, Mikey Rotten wrote: > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > The Brits know their farts! > > somebody's GOT to send Nik a pair > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 20:14:24 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:14:24 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I love all PKD's novels...., They say he's great I wish i could read fiction (temporary subject swerve) I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 20 20:36:29 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:36:29 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He is the best SF writer of all! On 21 Dec 2013 09:15, "Mikey Rotten" wrote: > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I love all PKD's novels...., > > They say he's great > > I wish i could read fiction > > (temporary subject swerve) > I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Dec 20 23:08:14 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 23:08:14 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, I wish you could enjoy some of his books, they're a real mind bender, movies have been made of a few of his films, I'd need to think of the right book or movie to turn you on to, he dealt with a wide range of subjects, from music, futurism, politics, spirituality, drugs and perception of reality, and so much more. He was way ahead of his time, His stories were multidimensional. I can't read many books more than once, since I remember so much of them, but a good PKD book I find I get more from the second read. Often your left scratching your head saying "what the f*** just happened). He's my favorite author, as much as I enjoy Michael Moorcock's work along with many other great authors, in many genres. I'm tired so going to zone, after checking the rest of my mail. Goodnight to all, , I'll be back soon, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mikey Rotten Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:14 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I love all PKD's novels...., They say he's great I wish i could read fiction (temporary subject swerve) I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 21 01:01:20 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:01:20 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52b5149d.4389e00a.1547.6ee2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. On 21 Dec 2013 12:10, "mary sullivan" wrote: > Mike, I wish you could enjoy some of his books, they're a real mind bender, > movies have been made of a few of his films, I'd need to think of the right > book or movie to turn you on to, he dealt with a wide range of subjects, > from music, futurism, politics, spirituality, drugs and perception of > reality, and so much more. He was way ahead of his time, His stories > were multidimensional. I can't read many books more than once, since I > remember so much of them, but a good PKD book I find I get more from the > second read. Often your left scratching your head saying "what the f*** > just happened). He's my favorite author, as much as I enjoy Michael > Moorcock's work along with many other great authors, in many genres. I'm > tired so going to zone, after checking the rest of my mail. > > Goodnight to all, , I'll be back soon, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Mikey Rotten > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > A.ANDROID > voiceover > > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I love all PKD's novels...., > > They say he's great > > I wish i could read fiction > > (temporary subject swerve) > I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Dec 21 01:44:27 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:44:27 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The end of A Scanner Darkly was different, and being blind I had a hard time following Blade Runner I preferred the book, by far. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:01 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. On 21 Dec 2013 12:10, "mary sullivan" wrote: > Mike, I wish you could enjoy some of his books, they're a real mind > bender, movies have been made of a few of his films, I'd need to think > of the right book or movie to turn you on to, he dealt with a wide > range of subjects, from music, futurism, politics, spirituality, drugs and perception of > reality, and so much more. He was way ahead of his time, His stories > were multidimensional. I can't read many books more than once, since > I remember so much of them, but a good PKD book I find I get more from > the second read. Often your left scratching your head saying "what > the f*** just happened). He's my favorite author, as much as I enjoy > Michael Moorcock's work along with many other great authors, in many > genres. I'm tired so going to zone, after checking the rest of my mail. > > Goodnight to all, , I'll be back soon, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Mikey Rotten > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > A.ANDROID voiceover > > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I love all PKD's novels...., > > They say he's great > > I wish i could read fiction > > (temporary subject swerve) > I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 21 01:56:28 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:56:28 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52b53921.477ce00a.48c1.12feSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The books are all much better but Scanner was the closest. On 21 Dec 2013 14:45, "mary sullivan" wrote: > The end of A Scanner Darkly was different, and being blind I had a hard > time > following Blade Runner I preferred the book, by far. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Jonathan Smith > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:01 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > A.ANDROID > voiceover > > The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. > On 21 Dec 2013 12:10, "mary sullivan" > wrote: > > > Mike, I wish you could enjoy some of his books, they're a real mind > > bender, movies have been made of a few of his films, I'd need to think > > of the right book or movie to turn you on to, he dealt with a wide > > range of subjects, from music, futurism, politics, spirituality, drugs > and > perception of > > reality, and so much more. He was way ahead of his time, His stories > > were multidimensional. I can't read many books more than once, since > > I remember so much of them, but a good PKD book I find I get more from > > the second read. Often your left scratching your head saying "what > > the f*** just happened). He's my favorite author, as much as I enjoy > > Michael Moorcock's work along with many other great authors, in many > > genres. I'm tired so going to zone, after checking the rest of my mail. > > > > Goodnight to all, , I'll be back soon, > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > > Behalf Of Mikey Rotten > > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:14 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > > A.ANDROID voiceover > > > > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > > I love all PKD's novels...., > > > > They say he's great > > > > I wish i could read fiction > > > > (temporary subject swerve) > > I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! > > > From mcintyre at EXCHANGE.PA.MSU.EDU Sat Dec 21 08:20:11 2013 From: mcintyre at EXCHANGE.PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:20:11 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jonathan Smith wrote: > The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. > Yes, BLADERUNNER is bad. At least it's a poor adaptation of the book as it leaves so much out. The whole animal subplot is limited to one shot of a guy leading an ostrich down the street which makes no sense whatsoever in the context of the movie. John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 21 09:33:06 2013 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:33:06 +0800 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52B5958B.6080102@exchange.pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: *Bladerunner *was a good movie but not really *Do Androids Bream of Electric Sheep? *I am sure that without his ideas it would not have such a success. As remember PKD liked the sets and atmosphere but not the plot. On 21 December 2013 21:20, John McIntyre wrote: > Jonathan Smith wrote: > >> The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. >> >> > Yes, BLADERUNNER is bad. At least it's a poor adaptation of the book as > it leaves so much out. The whole animal subplot is limited to one shot of > a guy leading an ostrich down the street which makes no sense whatsoever in > the context of the movie. > > John McIntyre > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Dec 21 10:48:08 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mikey Rotten) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:48:08 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ahh, awake again after a couple hours to finish!! Just flingin' it out!! http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/index.php?p=episode&name=2012-09-07_20120906_groundzero.mp3 On 12/21/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > *Bladerunner *was a good movie but not really *Do Androids Bream of > Electric Sheep? *I am sure that without his ideas it would not have such a > success. As remember PKD liked the sets and atmosphere but not the plot. > > > On 21 December 2013 21:20, John McIntyre > wrote: > >> Jonathan Smith wrote: >> >>> The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. >>> >>> >> Yes, BLADERUNNER is bad. At least it's a poor adaptation of the book as >> it leaves so much out. The whole animal subplot is limited to one shot >> of >> a guy leading an ostrich down the street which makes no sense whatsoever >> in >> the context of the movie. >> >> John McIntyre >> mcintyre at pa.msu.edu >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Dec 21 13:05:36 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:05:36 -0500 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: " The books are all much better but Scanner was the closest..." That's too bad. Radio Free Albeneth was a real trip,(hope I spelled that right). too. A prequel to Valis. A lot of his work is still unavailable to me. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover The books are all much better but Scanner was the closest. On 21 Dec 2013 14:45, "mary sullivan" wrote: > The end of A Scanner Darkly was different, and being blind I had a > hard time following Blade Runner I preferred the book, by far. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Jonathan Smith > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:01 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > A.ANDROID voiceover > > The best PKD adaption is A SCANNER DARKLY. BLADERUNNER is not bad. > On 21 Dec 2013 12:10, "mary sullivan" > wrote: > > > Mike, I wish you could enjoy some of his books, they're a real mind > > bender, movies have been made of a few of his films, I'd need to > > think of the right book or movie to turn you on to, he dealt with a > > wide range of subjects, from music, futurism, politics, > > spirituality, drugs > and > perception of > > reality, and so much more. He was way ahead of his time, His stories > > were multidimensional. I can't read many books more than once, > > since I remember so much of them, but a good PKD book I find I get > > more from the second read. Often your left scratching your head > > saying "what the f*** just happened). He's my favorite author, as > > much as I enjoy Michael Moorcock's work along with many other great > > authors, in many genres. I'm tired so going to zone, after checking the rest of my mail. > > > > Goodnight to all, , I'll be back soon, > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > > Behalf Of Mikey Rotten > > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:14 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ > > A.ANDROID voiceover > > > > On 12/20/13, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > > I love all PKD's novels...., > > > > They say he's great > > > > I wish i could read fiction > > > > (temporary subject swerve) > > I am dying to find out what happens when you guys go to the moon!!! > > > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 21 17:31:55 2013 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:31:55 -0800 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Folks... Suppose I should contribute something for a change. Noted the discussion about The Cosmic Dead, and I quite like them, though I'm not sure any of their releases will make my Best of... list this year. There's suddenly so much stuff out there in "Bandcampland" and the like!! Having a really hard time narrowing the field to the truly outstanding. To demonstrate, here's my list of candidates...what's your favorite of the year? At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. I also really like Cave, Pyramidal, and this new Columbus band (too bad I don't live there anymore) Brujas del Sol, so those will be Top 10ers for sure. The HW-related releases were also pretty strong, including Hawklords, Timelords (essentially TOSH, if I'm not mistaken), and Nik's thing. Haven't heard Spacehawks yet, but I doubt if I would include it anyway, since it's largely compilation, right? Still, anxious to hear new versions of WotEoT tracks. By the way...I had a ticket for the Wash DC show, and it was originally rescheduled for March 15, and now I see it has been cancelled entirely, even though I've seen announcements for other US/CN dates in mid-March for other cities. Still waiting to hear about Cleveland and Philly, both of which I also hold tickets for. Does that just mean that this particular club in DC no longer fits into the tour scheduling plans, and that the tour is still on for March, or what has anybody heard? I'm anxious for it to take place for real!! I have nothing to see here live hardly...although Clutch is playing right here in my little town next month. 'Course, they're nearly local, so... Keith H. (State College PA) Happy Solstice P.S. Another Glasgow band (like Cosmic Dead), called Deadotter, had a bunch of nice spacey jam tracks up on YouTube from a few years' back...they were really cool, but I gather nothing official ever got released. Check out "Mother Music" if it's still up there. ObNewBand - Electric Eye (Bergen Norway) 2013 List (Psych/Space/Kraut/Stoner/Postrock) Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Korai Orom - 2013 Lumerians - The High Frontier White Manna - Dune Worship Cave - Threace The Timelords - Convergence Vespero - Liventures Etc. Vespero - Droga Temple Of The Smoke - Lost Art Of The Twilight Monkey3 - The 5th Sun This Will Destroy You - Live in Reykjavik, Iceland Hammock - Oblivion Hymns God Is An Astronaut - Origins First Communion Afterparty - Earth Heat Sound Chatham Rise - S/T BLIM - Zero/No Frills ('92-'93, '13) Mind - Stunde Null Camera - System Solaire EP Baby Guru - Pieces ('12) Pyramidal - Frozen Galaxies Samsara Blues Experiment - Waiting For The Flood Domovoyd - Oh Sensibility Man From Hidria - Clouds & Oceans Black Sun Ensemble - Behind Purple Clouds The Evil Eye Psychedelic Project - Behind The Wall Of Sleep Laughing Sky - Divine (12/12) Rendlesham Forest Incident - Last Flight Of The Hope Dempsey Atomic Simao - Nodo Atomic Simao - Sphyro Cambrian Explosion - The Sun EP Electric Eye - Pick-up, Lift-off, Space, Time Luder - Adelphophagia Electric Moon/Papir - The Papermoon Sessions 3rd Ear Experience - Peacock Black 3rd Ear Experience - Boi White Hills - So You Are, So You'll Be Krobak - Little Victories Reptiel - Violent Sagas Of The Ancients Papir - Papir III The Cosmic Dead - Orbiting Salvation Kamikaze Scotsmen - Ark EP Hola One - Moments Wooden Shjips - Back To Land Hawklords - Dream Taipuva Luotisuora - 8 Kikagaku Moyo - S/T Brujas del Sol - Moonliner Telstar Sound Drone - Comedown Giobia - Introducing Night Sound Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Cosmic Trip Machine - Golden Horus Name Alpha Omega - Down The Gravity Well Lamp Of The Universe - Transcendence Space Debris - She's A Temple OSC - Organic Earthly Flotation The Ultra Electric Mega Galactic - S/T Paradise 9 - Take Me To The Future Aqua Nebula Oscillator - Spiritus Mundi Earthless - From The Ages Krautzone - Kosmische Rituale Manthra Dei - S/T Perandg - Plains EP Mechanik - Velut Stella Splendida Circle - Six Days Run Psicomagia - S/T The Cosmic Dead - Inner Sanctum Hollow Mirrors - Hollow Mirrors II Pothead - Jackpot (late 2012-13?) Golden Void - S/T (late 2012) V/A - Remembering Alex Hunt Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong ('07, '13) Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet Red Fang - Whales & Leeches Black Pyramid - Adversarial King Bong - Space Shanties Clutch - Earth Rocker Nektar - Time Machine Vibravoid - Delirio dei Sensi Deep Purple - Now What?! Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing The Crystal Caravan - With Them You Walk Alone Colour Haze - She Said ('12-'13?) Last Night Render (formerly Apes Of Space) - An Excuse To Go Mad The Cosmic Dead/Pigs x7 - Split LP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Falcon (ex-Circle) - Frontier Buddha Sentenza - South West Lower Valley Rock Insider - Event Horizon Het Droste Effect - S/T, Lingerland (2012-13) Space Mushroom Fuzz - Man In The Shadow, Stealing Some Time, A Possible Paradox From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Dec 21 17:53:17 2013 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <1387665115.39242.YahooMailBasic@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a lot of those and see a few I'll have to check out. I'm surprised by the 2 Atomic Simao albums. I didn't think anyone else was listening to them. Your comment about bandcamp - I'm up to 234 albums and still finding stuff :) On 12/21/2013 5:31 PM, Keith Henderson wrote: > Hey Folks... > > Suppose I should contribute something for a change. > > Noted the discussion about The Cosmic Dead, and I quite like them, though I'm not sure any of their releases will make my Best of... list this year. There's suddenly so much stuff out there in "Bandcampland" and the like!! Having a really hard time narrowing the field to the truly outstanding. To demonstrate, here's my list of candidates...what's your favorite of the year? > > At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. I also really like Cave, Pyramidal, and this new Columbus band (too bad I don't live there anymore) Brujas del Sol, so those will be Top 10ers for sure. The HW-related releases were also pretty strong, including Hawklords, Timelords (essentially TOSH, if I'm not mistaken), and Nik's thing. Haven't heard Spacehawks yet, but I doubt if I would include it anyway, since it's largely compilation, right? Still, anxious to hear new versions of WotEoT tracks. > > By the way...I had a ticket for the Wash DC show, and it was originally rescheduled for March 15, and now I see it has been cancelled entirely, even though I've seen announcements for other US/CN dates in mid-March for other cities. Still waiting to hear about Cleveland and Philly, both of which I also hold tickets for. Does that just mean that this particular club in DC no longer fits into the tour scheduling plans, and that the tour is still on for March, or what has anybody heard? I'm anxious for it to take place for real!! I have nothing to see here live hardly...although Clutch is playing right here in my little town next month. 'Course, they're nearly local, so... > > Keith H. (State College PA) > > Happy Solstice > > P.S. Another Glasgow band (like Cosmic Dead), called Deadotter, had a bunch of nice spacey jam tracks up on YouTube from a few years' back...they were really cool, but I gather nothing official ever got released. Check out "Mother Music" if it's still up there. > > ObNewBand - Electric Eye (Bergen Norway) > > 2013 List (Psych/Space/Kraut/Stoner/Postrock) > Atomic Simao - Nodo > Atomic Simao - Sphyro From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Dec 21 17:57:43 2013 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:57:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <1387665115.39242.YahooMailBasic@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 21 Dec 2013, at 17:31 , Keith Henderson wrote: > At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. The 5-track self-titled album? I think that's technically from 2012 -- though it is awesome! :) When I checked 'em out, they didn't have downloads on offer from Bandcamp, and I had to go iTunes. But for a band as good as that, I'll go iTunes if I have to! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 21 18:06:05 2013 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:06:05 -0800 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl asked... >> At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year.? They are just too awesome. > The 5-track self-titled album? I think that's technically from 2012 -- though it is awesome! :) No, I mean Dune Worship, the new one. It's streamable on Bandcamp, isn't it? BTW, the S/T White Manna was my No. 3 of 2012. ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Deadotter... Oops, that track was on Myspace....still there https://myspace.com/deadotter1/music/songs Though the albumful of demos *is* on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5FnJrahDU Keith H. From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Dec 21 18:10:32 2013 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:10:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Carl, here's where I bought my copies of 2 White Manna albums http://www.holymountain.com/artists/white-manna/ On 12/21/2013 5:57 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 21 Dec 2013, at 17:31 , Keith Henderson wrote: >> At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. > > The 5-track self-titled album? I think that's technically from 2012 -- though it is awesome! :) When I checked 'em out, they didn't have downloads on offer from Bandcamp, and I had to go iTunes. But for a band as good as that, I'll go iTunes if I have to! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET Sun Dec 22 06:47:44 2013 From: pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET (Cliff) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:47:44 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52b5d89c.2a30310a.4a82.6a3fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: His work is just hard to find, period. even the used book stores in the area don't have them. I'd love to read them, seems there are several movies based on his work. interesting... Pam On 12/21/2013 11:05 AM, mary sullivan wrote: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Dec 22 09:21:47 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 09:21:47 -0500 Subject: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <1387665115.39242.YahooMailBasic@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Would someone please tell me if Hawkwind still plan to play Boston, my computer must have been down when the new dates came out? Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) Hey Folks... Suppose I should contribute something for a change. Noted the discussion about The Cosmic Dead, and I quite like them, though I'm not sure any of their releases will make my Best of... list this year. There's suddenly so much stuff out there in "Bandcampland" and the like!! Having a really hard time narrowing the field to the truly outstanding. To demonstrate, here's my list of candidates...what's your favorite of the year? At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. I also really like Cave, Pyramidal, and this new Columbus band (too bad I don't live there anymore) Brujas del Sol, so those will be Top 10ers for sure. The HW-related releases were also pretty strong, including Hawklords, Timelords (essentially TOSH, if I'm not mistaken), and Nik's thing. Haven't heard Spacehawks yet, but I doubt if I would include it anyway, since it's largely compilation, right? Still, anxious to hear new versions of WotEoT tracks. By the way...I had a ticket for the Wash DC show, and it was originally rescheduled for March 15, and now I see it has been cancelled entirely, even though I've seen announcements for other US/CN dates in mid-March for other cities. Still waiting to hear about Cleveland and Philly, both of which I also hold tickets for. Does that just mean that this particular club in DC no longer fits into the tour scheduling plans, and that the tour is still on for March, or what has anybody heard? I'm anxious for it to take place for real!! I have nothing to see here live hardly...although Clutch is playing right here in my little town next month. 'Course, they're nearly local, so... Keith H. (State College PA) Happy Solstice P.S. Another Glasgow band (like Cosmic Dead), called Deadotter, had a bunch of nice spacey jam tracks up on YouTube from a few years' back...they were really cool, but I gather nothing official ever got released. Check out "Mother Music" if it's still up there. ObNewBand - Electric Eye (Bergen Norway) 2013 List (Psych/Space/Kraut/Stoner/Postrock) Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Korai Orom - 2013 Lumerians - The High Frontier White Manna - Dune Worship Cave - Threace The Timelords - Convergence Vespero - Liventures Etc. Vespero - Droga Temple Of The Smoke - Lost Art Of The Twilight Monkey3 - The 5th Sun This Will Destroy You - Live in Reykjavik, Iceland Hammock - Oblivion Hymns God Is An Astronaut - Origins First Communion Afterparty - Earth Heat Sound Chatham Rise - S/T BLIM - Zero/No Frills ('92-'93, '13) Mind - Stunde Null Camera - System Solaire EP Baby Guru - Pieces ('12) Pyramidal - Frozen Galaxies Samsara Blues Experiment - Waiting For The Flood Domovoyd - Oh Sensibility Man From Hidria - Clouds & Oceans Black Sun Ensemble - Behind Purple Clouds The Evil Eye Psychedelic Project - Behind The Wall Of Sleep Laughing Sky - Divine (12/12) Rendlesham Forest Incident - Last Flight Of The Hope Dempsey Atomic Simao - Nodo Atomic Simao - Sphyro Cambrian Explosion - The Sun EP Electric Eye - Pick-up, Lift-off, Space, Time Luder - Adelphophagia Electric Moon/Papir - The Papermoon Sessions 3rd Ear Experience - Peacock Black 3rd Ear Experience - Boi White Hills - So You Are, So You'll Be Krobak - Little Victories Reptiel - Violent Sagas Of The Ancients Papir - Papir III The Cosmic Dead - Orbiting Salvation Kamikaze Scotsmen - Ark EP Hola One - Moments Wooden Shjips - Back To Land Hawklords - Dream Taipuva Luotisuora - 8 Kikagaku Moyo - S/T Brujas del Sol - Moonliner Telstar Sound Drone - Comedown Giobia - Introducing Night Sound Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Cosmic Trip Machine - Golden Horus Name Alpha Omega - Down The Gravity Well Lamp Of The Universe - Transcendence Space Debris - She's A Temple OSC - Organic Earthly Flotation The Ultra Electric Mega Galactic - S/T Paradise 9 - Take Me To The Future Aqua Nebula Oscillator - Spiritus Mundi Earthless - From The Ages Krautzone - Kosmische Rituale Manthra Dei - S/T Perandg - Plains EP Mechanik - Velut Stella Splendida Circle - Six Days Run Psicomagia - S/T The Cosmic Dead - Inner Sanctum Hollow Mirrors - Hollow Mirrors II Pothead - Jackpot (late 2012-13?) Golden Void - S/T (late 2012) V/A - Remembering Alex Hunt Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong ('07, '13) Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet Red Fang - Whales & Leeches Black Pyramid - Adversarial King Bong - Space Shanties Clutch - Earth Rocker Nektar - Time Machine Vibravoid - Delirio dei Sensi Deep Purple - Now What?! Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing The Crystal Caravan - With Them You Walk Alone Colour Haze - She Said ('12-'13?) Last Night Render (formerly Apes Of Space) - An Excuse To Go Mad The Cosmic Dead/Pigs x7 - Split LP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Falcon (ex-Circle) - Frontier Buddha Sentenza - South West Lower Valley Rock Insider - Event Horizon Het Droste Effect - S/T, Lingerland (2012-13) Space Mushroom Fuzz - Man In The Shadow, Stealing Some Time, A Possible Paradox From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Dec 22 11:37:04 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Izzy Podcastin') Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:37:04 -0600 Subject: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <52b6f5f0.833ce00a.02ee.38f4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 12/22/13, mary sullivan wrote: > Would someone please tell me if Hawkwind still plan to play Boston, my > computer must have been down when the new dates came out? > > Thanks, I just realised, the computer came home with your last name still Sullivan. if you fix that, I'll do the required work to give you the best answer possible!! :P From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Dec 22 11:50:32 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Izzy Podcastin') Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:50:32 -0600 Subject: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: meanwhile, I've drudged up an answer, but I am going to need you to say to me, privately, if needed "I did NOT go to a Nik Turner concert" :) :) R On 12/22/13, Izzy Podcastin' wrote: > On 12/22/13, mary sullivan wrote: >> Would someone please tell me if Hawkwind still plan to play Boston, my >> computer must have been down when the new dates came out? >> >> Thanks, > > I just realised, the computer came home with your last name still Sullivan. > if you fix that, I'll do the required work to give you the best answer > possible!! > > :P > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Dec 22 12:00:14 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Izzy Podcastin') Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:00:14 -0600 Subject: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: looks like boston is still sitting for march 15th of course that could still mean nothing in Hawkwind reality terms but it looks like tickets can be purchased (at a glance). On 12/22/13, Izzy Podcastin' wrote: > meanwhile, I've drudged up an answer, but I am going to need you to > say to me, privately, if needed "I did NOT go to a Nik Turner concert" > :) :) > > > R > > On 12/22/13, Izzy Podcastin' wrote: >> On 12/22/13, mary sullivan wrote: >>> Would someone please tell me if Hawkwind still plan to play Boston, my >>> computer must have been down when the new dates came out? >>> >>> Thanks, >> >> I just realised, the computer came home with your last name still >> Sullivan. >> if you fix that, I'll do the required work to give you the best answer >> possible!! >> >> :P >> > From nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM Sun Dec 22 14:46:38 2013 From: nathan.gilbert at GMAIL.COM (Nathan Gilbert) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:46:38 -0700 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52B6D160.1050502@cableone.net> Message-ID: I really enjoy "The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K. Dick. Interesting alternative history novel. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Cliff wrote: > His work is just hard to find, period. even the used book stores in the area > don't have them. I'd love to read them, seems there are several movies based > on his work. interesting... > Pam > > On 12/21/2013 11:05 AM, mary sullivan wrote: From ben at TMK.COM Mon Dec 23 08:07:19 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:07:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance Message-ID: Hello, all, This is completely off-topic. I need some help with a little research on something for a personal project. This will, I believe, probably just involve 10-20 minutes in a library somewhere (probably anywhere?) in the UK. Specifically, I'm trying to find a list of the shows (plays, musicals - that sort of thing) that were on-stage in London in November and December, 1988. My initial thought for how to get that was to take a look at some archived newspapers to look at performance listings from a few weeks back then. However, the newspaper archives seem to only be available (free) from libraries in the UK. Otherwise, they're rather expensive to get individual issues. Is there, perhaps, anyone on that side of the pond who might be willing to take a run to a library for me (or, for that matter, if you've got any other way to find it)? By way of verifying said list of shows - it should definitely include "A Walk in the Woods", staring Alec Guinness, and another one (title uncertain) that was a Sherlock Holmes play. Oh, and if, indeed, the easiest way to do this is just to grab some page images from a few archived newspapers - please - that's really all I need. I've got no problems with browsing through them myself. So... anyone out there willing and able to lend me a hand? Please? :-) Ben From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Sun Dec 22 21:57:27 2013 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (Abra Cadabra) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 03:57:27 +0100 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Message-ID: I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 23 08:56:14 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 13:56:14 +0000 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: <52B6D160.1050502@cableone.net> Message-ID: Phil Dick is actually pretty easy to find in the new book shops, as I think he's all in print these days (now that he's "literature".) Harder to find in the used bookshops, as the original paperback printings are a bit costly now. I get a few of them in stock periodically, but they tend to sell somewhat quickly. Thanks, Arin (co-owner of a used sf bookshop business these days) -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Cliff Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:48 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover His work is just hard to find, period. even the used book stores in the area don't have them. I'd love to read them, seems there are several movies based on his work. interesting... Pam On 12/21/2013 11:05 AM, mary sullivan wrote: From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 23 09:30:25 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:30:25 -0600 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131223130719.GA74860@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: The Sherlock Holmes play was The Secret of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwicke. I saw it in the summer of '89, and wikipedia tells me that it started in 1988, so probably the same one :-) Thanks, Arin On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Ben Cohen wrote: :Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance : :Hello, all, : :This is completely off-topic. I need some help with a little research on :something for a personal project. This will, I believe, probably just involve :10-20 minutes in a library somewhere (probably anywhere?) in the UK. : :Specifically, I'm trying to find a list of the shows (plays, musicals - that :sort of thing) that were on-stage in London in November and December, 1988. My :initial thought for how to get that was to take a look at some archived :newspapers to look at performance listings from a few weeks back then. :However, the newspaper archives seem to only be available (free) from :libraries in the UK. Otherwise, they're rather expensive to get individual :issues. : :Is there, perhaps, anyone on that side of the pond who might be willing to :take a run to a library for me (or, for that matter, if you've got any other :way to find it)? : :By way of verifying said list of shows - it should definitely include "A Walk :in the Woods", staring Alec Guinness, and another one (title uncertain) that :was a Sherlock Holmes play. : :Oh, and if, indeed, the easiest way to do this is just to grab some page :images from a few archived newspapers - please - that's really all I need. :I've got no problems with browsing through them myself. : :So... anyone out there willing and able to lend me a hand? Please? :-) : :Ben : Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) From ben at TMK.COM Mon Dec 23 10:08:38 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The Sherlock Holmes play was The Secret of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy > Brett and Edward Hardwicke. I saw it in the summer of '89, and wikipedia > tells me that it started in 1988, so probably the same one :-) Arin - Thanks! One more name solved. However ... there are others (plays *and* musicals) that I was trying to get the names of. So, while that's definitely a good thing ... it wasn't the only one that I was hoping for. [I'd provided the two plays as a sample as a way of making sure that the list, however it was found, was actually the right one. I've been trying to find this out for more than a month and had other people I've asked for assistance. Either they're unable to help or they provided a very incomplete list. :-/] Thanks again, though! Ben From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 23 10:26:00 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:26:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131223150837.GA90235@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Alas, Ben, I'm in the wrong country to help with the original request, as I'm stateside as well :-) There looks to be a partial list for theatre in 1988 up on Wikipedia, but it certainly looks incomplete. Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ben Cohen Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:09 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance > The Sherlock Holmes play was The Secret of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy > Brett and Edward Hardwicke. I saw it in the summer of '89, and > wikipedia tells me that it started in 1988, so probably the same one > :-) Arin - Thanks! One more name solved. However ... there are others (plays *and* musicals) that I was trying to get the names of. So, while that's definitely a good thing ... it wasn't the only one that I was hoping for. [I'd provided the two plays as a sample as a way of making sure that the list, however it was found, was actually the right one. I've been trying to find this out for more than a month and had other people I've asked for assistance. Either they're unable to help or they provided a very incomplete list. :-/] Thanks again, though! Ben From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Dec 23 10:32:04 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:32:04 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings, Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. Really, the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. Any suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on YouTube. Thanks, Happy holidays, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Abra Cadabra Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 23 10:47:03 2013 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:47:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131223130719.GA74860@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Ben Cohen wrote: > Hello, all, > > This is completely off-topic. I need some help with a little research on > something for a personal project. This will, I believe, probably just involve > 10-20 minutes in a library somewhere (probably anywhere?) in the UK. > > Specifically, I'm trying to find a list of the shows (plays, musicals - that > sort of thing) that were on-stage in London in November and December, 1988. My > initial thought for how to get that was to take a look at some archived > newspapers to look at performance listings from a few weeks back then. > However, the newspaper archives seem to only be available (free) from > libraries in the UK. Otherwise, they're rather expensive to get individual > issues. > > Is there, perhaps, anyone on that side of the pond who might be willing to > take a run to a library for me (or, for that matter, if you've got any other > way to find it)? > > By way of verifying said list of shows - it should definitely include "A Walk > in the Woods", staring Alec Guinness, and another one (title uncertain) that > was a Sherlock Holmes play. > > Oh, and if, indeed, the easiest way to do this is just to grab some page > images from a few archived newspapers - please - that's really all I need. > I've got no problems with browsing through them myself. > > So... anyone out there willing and able to lend me a hand? Please? :-) Like Arin, I'm in the USA and so perhaps not best placed to help. But, I think perhaps a good place to look might be in Time Out for 1988, which likely will include the current London stage productions for that time. The Times (London) is also a newspaper of record and so is likely to be available via microfilm or microfiche in university libraries. I know it was when I was at university in the UK. It might well include lists of the current London stages productions, too. The Virginia Tech library, where I am, has access to the Times digital archive, but, from the collection title, it seems to indicate it covers only 1785--1985 and so would seem to stop just short of the year in which you're interested. The Virginia Tech library is currently closed for ~2 weeks for the winter break, but if you haven't managed to turn up anything I can ask whether they could track down the information you're seeking. Subject Librarians like a challenge. :-) Cheers, Paul. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 23 11:03:10 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:03:10 -0600 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <52b857db.266aec0a.7e9c.127eSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: why not put some podcast in your life instead?? http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/?p=episode&name=2012-06-26_gzlive_062512.mp3 how can a human head compete :) :)?? I was wondering: has anyone yet used a voice-speach box like hawking that they didn't need and could i get one cheap?? remember 'theres always the podcast listening in, before you begin" On 12/23/13, mary sullivan wrote: > Greetings, > Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). > Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are > absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. > The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played > them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what > something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with > the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The > Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. > Really, > the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for > anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as > previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the > character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. > Any > suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, > thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar > work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. > > Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming > out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on > YouTube. > > Thanks, > > Happy holidays, > > Your friend, > > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Abra Cadabra > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations > > I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without > reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, > Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing > adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible > movie. > A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. > Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy > writing, > fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear > Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in > the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, > Turbonegro etc). > > I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a > shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each > release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG > PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni > to > "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our > selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he > will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. > > Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space > Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 > Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - > Sol > Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & > Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The > Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis > Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And > Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / > Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. > 200] > ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] > 2LP > ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP > Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream > Hawkwind > - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD > remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - > The > Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette > LP > The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row > - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica > - > The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & > Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] > [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of > Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic > Energy > Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP > [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul > Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] > > Christian > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 23 11:07:42 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:07:42 -0600 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oops, my bad podcast correction use this one first, dunno bout phase 2 yet, I am going to jump to phase 3 this one here is an absolute gas regardless (my own opinion) merry xmas, link below http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/index.php?p=episode&name=2012-06-23_gzlive_062212.mp3 On 12/23/13, mike c wrote: > why not put some podcast in your life instead?? > > http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/?p=episode&name=2012-06-26_gzlive_062512.mp3 > > how can a human head compete :) :)?? > > I was wondering: has anyone yet used a voice-speach box like hawking > that they didn't need and could i get one cheap?? > > remember 'theres always the podcast listening in, before you begin" > > On 12/23/13, mary sullivan wrote: >> Greetings, >> Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). >> Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are >> absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a >> novel. >> The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I >> played >> them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what >> something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with >> the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The >> Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. >> Really, >> the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for >> anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as >> previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the >> character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. >> Any >> suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, >> thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar >> work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. >> >> Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases >> coming >> out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on >> YouTube. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Happy holidays, >> >> Your friend, >> >> >> Mary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> Behalf Of Abra Cadabra >> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations >> >> I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without >> reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, >> Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, >> mindblowing >> adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible >> movie. >> A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. >> Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy >> writing, >> fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear >> Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads >> in >> the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look >> (Chrome, >> Turbonegro etc). >> >> I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to >> a >> shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for >> each >> release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them >> (PLUG >> PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni >> to >> "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all >> our >> selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he >> will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. >> >> Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space >> Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 >> Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - >> Sol >> Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & >> Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The >> Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis >> Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And >> Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country >> / >> Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. >> 200] >> ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] >> 2LP >> ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] >> LP >> Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream >> Hawkwind >> - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD >> remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - >> The >> Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette >> LP >> The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can >> Row >> - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon >> Sendelica >> - >> The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & >> Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] >> [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of >> Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic >> Energy >> Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP >> [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & >> Paul >> Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] >> >> Christian >> > From ben at TMK.COM Mon Dec 23 11:34:15 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm... I'll have to hunt around for Time Out and see if I can find anything in there. I'm perfectly willing to wait - after all, I've waited this long trying to find it. :-) > The Virginia Tech library is currently closed for ~2 weeks for the winter > break, but if you haven't managed to turn up anything I can ask whether they > could track down the information you're seeking. Subject Librarians like a > challenge. :-) Hey - a challenge is a challenge, right? Give 'em something to chew on. If I can get the info some other way, I'll post here that I've gotten it. So - if you don't see anything from me, it's probably safe to say that I haven't actually gotten it yet? Ben From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Dec 23 11:48:21 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:48:21 -0600 Subject: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID voiceover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: short burst of ionised mindair- okay folks this did some magic for sure- my old friend mark, a brainiac fiction lover also praised PD, I once tried to read one of his books (struggling to recall which, think it may not be menioned here) but I was smoking dope then and that doesn't help me. Arin, VERY cool, and now that I see this guy is like "the hawkwind or hendrix" of "left to right in black and white", i am SOOOO grateful to know to just "head to him" when I am ready thanks Hawklords On 12/23/13, Arin Komins wrote: > Phil Dick is actually pretty easy to find in the new book shops, as I think > he's all in print these days (now that he's "literature".) > > Harder to find in the used bookshops, as the original paperback printings > are a bit costly now. I get a few of them in stock periodically, but they > tend to sell somewhat quickly. > > Thanks, > > Arin > (co-owner of a used sf bookshop business these days) > -- > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > 773-834-4087 (work) > 773-401-8131 (cell) > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Cliff > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:48 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF) no "strangers" in here, just lettin' ya'll know/ A.ANDROID > voiceover > > His work is just hard to find, period. even the used book stores in the area > don't have them. I'd love to read them, seems there are several movies based > on his work. interesting... > Pam > > On 12/21/2013 11:05 AM, mary sullivan wrote: > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 23 12:52:55 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:52:55 +0000 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <000001cefff4$22924f00$67b6ed00$@sullivan1@verizon.net> Message-ID: Mary, Watchmen was a comic by Alan Moore. BTW, spelling for the Chrysalids by John Wyndham is as I show. ...and you might now be able to find The Telepathist (in the US, this is known as The Whole Man) by John Brunner. It looks to have been published in ebook format by ereads in September. http://ereads.com/ecms/book_title/The-Whole-Man I can highly recommend the Brunner book :-) Also, Mary, given the subject material, if you haven't yet seen a kids show called _The Tomorrow People_ you really should. There is a remake on air right now (on the CW), but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Telepathy is front and center for that show. Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary sullivan Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Greetings, Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. Really, the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. Any suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on YouTube. Thanks, Happy holidays, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Abra Cadabra Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Dec 23 16:00:58 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:00:58 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arin, thanks for the info, I use an automated download service, but if I can't get the Whole Man 1 way, I'll get it another, being a big fan of the animated x-men they did in the late 80's, or so, I love that kind of stuff so I'll look for the Tomorrow People. Tim had told me Watchmen was a comic, was hoping it was an actual book, too. I like it on b5 when they first meet Besta and they do a mind scan, and Ivanavaasks "who watches the watchmen." At the time I was unaware of the comic. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Mary, Watchmen was a comic by Alan Moore. BTW, spelling for the Chrysalids by John Wyndham is as I show. ...and you might now be able to find The Telepathist (in the US, this is known as The Whole Man) by John Brunner. It looks to have been published in ebook format by ereads in September. http://ereads.com/ecms/book_title/The-Whole-Man I can highly recommend the Brunner book :-) Also, Mary, given the subject material, if you haven't yet seen a kids show called _The Tomorrow People_ you really should. There is a remake on air right now (on the CW), but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Telepathy is front and center for that show. Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary sullivan Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Greetings, Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. Really, the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. Any suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on YouTube. Thanks, Happy holidays, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Abra Cadabra Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Dec 23 16:03:15 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:03:15 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks again, I just got The Whole Man, I'm psyched. Thank you so much. Happy Christmas, Always, your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Mary, Watchmen was a comic by Alan Moore. BTW, spelling for the Chrysalids by John Wyndham is as I show. ...and you might now be able to find The Telepathist (in the US, this is known as The Whole Man) by John Brunner. It looks to have been published in ebook format by ereads in September. http://ereads.com/ecms/book_title/The-Whole-Man I can highly recommend the Brunner book :-) Also, Mary, given the subject material, if you haven't yet seen a kids show called _The Tomorrow People_ you really should. There is a remake on air right now (on the CW), but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Telepathy is front and center for that show. Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary sullivan Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Greetings, Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. Really, the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. Any suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on YouTube. Thanks, Happy holidays, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Abra Cadabra Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Dec 23 17:31:45 2013 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (strobridge jill) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:31:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131223130719.GA74860@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: I think it will need a visit to London - but there's a Hawkwind gig there in February....... I'll have a look when I go down if you haven't found the answers you need by then. According to this link it looks like Time Out presented all its back copies to the Museum of London in 2009 http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/article/910091/time-donates-archive-material-museum-london I had a quick look at the Museum's online catalogue but can't see anything useful for 1988 - still if you sent them an email the Museum might be willing to help. Otherwise I'm sure you have tried all the following: When you Google < London Performances 1988 > you end up with an interesting list of links including one to a zillion images which might or might not be of any use. Also: Here is a list of gigs: http://www.raysgigs.com/gigs.php?year=1988 And these are various award lists from that date: http://www.westendtheatre.com/4590/awards/olivier-awards-1988/ http://www.westendtheatre.com/11974/awards/tony-awards-1988/ http://www.westendtheatre.com/11781/awards/evening-standard-theatre-awards-1988/ cheers Jill On 23 December 2013 13:07, Ben Cohen wrote: > Hello, all, > > This is completely off-topic. I need some help with a little research on > something for a personal project. This will, I believe, probably just involve > 10-20 minutes in a library somewhere (probably anywhere?) in the UK. > > Specifically, I'm trying to find a list of the shows (plays, musicals - that > sort of thing) that were on-stage in London in November and December, 1988. My > initial thought for how to get that was to take a look at some archived > newspapers to look at performance listings from a few weeks back then. > However, the newspaper archives seem to only be available (free) from > libraries in the UK. Otherwise, they're rather expensive to get individual > issues. > > Is there, perhaps, anyone on that side of the pond who might be willing to > take a run to a library for me (or, for that matter, if you've got any other > way to find it)? > > By way of verifying said list of shows - it should definitely include "A Walk > in the Woods", staring Alec Guinness, and another one (title uncertain) that > was a Sherlock Holmes play. > > Oh, and if, indeed, the easiest way to do this is just to grab some page > images from a few archived newspapers - please - that's really all I need. > I've got no problems with browsing through them myself. > > So... anyone out there willing and able to lend me a hand? Please? :-) > > Ben From markforum at SKY.COM Mon Dec 23 19:08:34 2013 From: markforum at SKY.COM (Mark Forums) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:08:34 -0000 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131223130719.GA74860@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Ben, Have you tried through this route, maybe there is somebody connected with education who may already have a subscription that you could "borrow"? http://gdc.gale.com/products/the-times-digital-archive-1785-1985/ Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ben Cohen Sent: 23 December 2013 13:07 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance Hello, all, This is completely off-topic. I need some help with a little research on something for a personal project. This will, I believe, probably just involve 10-20 minutes in a library somewhere (probably anywhere?) in the UK. Specifically, I'm trying to find a list of the shows (plays, musicals - that sort of thing) that were on-stage in London in November and December, 1988. My initial thought for how to get that was to take a look at some archived newspapers to look at performance listings from a few weeks back then. However, the newspaper archives seem to only be available (free) from libraries in the UK. Otherwise, they're rather expensive to get individual issues. Is there, perhaps, anyone on that side of the pond who might be willing to take a run to a library for me (or, for that matter, if you've got any other way to find it)? By way of verifying said list of shows - it should definitely include "A Walk in the Woods", staring Alec Guinness, and another one (title uncertain) that was a Sherlock Holmes play. Oh, and if, indeed, the easiest way to do this is just to grab some page images from a few archived newspapers - please - that's really all I need. I've got no problems with browsing through them myself. So... anyone out there willing and able to lend me a hand? Please? :-) Ben From ben at TMK.COM Mon Dec 23 21:22:39 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:22:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I think it will need a visit to London - but there's a Hawkwind gig > there in February....... I'll have a look when I go down if you > haven't found the answers you need by then. Far be it from me to say that you shouldn't go. :-) Although, as I said - from what I saw elsewhere, it looks like the various newspaper archives are available online at libraries over there. > According to this link it looks like Time Out presented all its back > copies to the Museum of London in 2009 > http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/article/910091/time-donates-archive-material-museum-london > I had a quick look at the Museum's online catalogue but can't see > anything useful for 1988 - still if you sent them an email the Museum > might be willing to help. That's actually a great idea ... and I've sent an email off to their general email address. They're closed until the 6th of January, though, so no idea if that's going to turn up anything. > Otherwise I'm sure you have tried all the following: > > When you Google < London Performances 1988 > you end up with an > interesting list of links including one to a zillion images which > might or might not be of any use. Yeah... Way too jumbled. > Also: > Here is a list of gigs: > http://www.raysgigs.com/gigs.php?year=1988 That's just music performances (as opposed to, say, musicals - not quite the same thing :-) ). > And these are various award lists from that date: > http://www.westendtheatre.com/4590/awards/olivier-awards-1988/ > http://www.westendtheatre.com/11974/awards/tony-awards-1988/ > http://www.westendtheatre.com/11781/awards/evening-standard-theatre-awards-1988/ I'm not sure of the extent to which anything I saw was good enough to merit being even nominated for an award. :-/ Thanks, though, Jill. I hadn't thought of trying to go through the Museum of London, so that's one more feeler sent out! Ben From ben at TMK.COM Mon Dec 23 21:24:26 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:24:26 -0500 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <000001cf003c$49a9b450$dcfd1cf0$@sky.com> Message-ID: > Have you tried through this route, maybe there is somebody connected with > education who may already have a subscription that you could "borrow"? > > http://gdc.gale.com/products/the-times-digital-archive-1785-1985/ Hmmm... I haven't got anyone who might have that sort of subscription - unless there's someone hiding on here, that is. Ha ha ha. Ben From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 23 22:14:15 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:14:15 +0000 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131224022425.GB72171@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: I checked at my uni. U of C doesn't have the gale archive that I could see.... Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:26 PM, "Ben Cohen" wrote: >> Have you tried through this route, maybe there is somebody connected with >> education who may already have a subscription that you could "borrow"? >> >> http://gdc.gale.com/products/the-times-digital-archive-1785-1985/ > > Hmmm... I haven't got anyone who might have that sort of subscription - unless > there's someone hiding on here, that is. Ha ha ha. > > Ben From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 24 09:07:44 2013 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:07:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <1387667165.17223.YahooMailBasic@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 21 Dec 2013, at 18:06 , Keith Henderson wrote: > Carl asked... >>> At the moment, I am gravitating towards the White Manna >>> as my Album of the Year. They are just too awesome. >> >> The 5-track self-titled album? I think that's technically >> from 2012 -- though it is awesome! :) >> > No, I mean Dune Worship, the new one. It's streamable on Bandcamp, isn't it? Woah! Missed that when it came out (in, apparently, September)! Thanks for the tip! Yeah, it's streamable on Bandcamp, but streamable doesn't do me a lot of good. :P I'm never sitting at a computer where I can listen to music long enough to stream more than a song or part of a song! I'd much rather have lossless files from Bandcamp or CDBaby -- though I recognize that this is largely affectation ;) since my (current) playback equipment really can't do even CD-quality audio much justice, let along anything 24-bit/96kHz. And stuff mastered for digital media can sound pretty good in a 256kbps AAC anyway. But, really, I want to be sold the highest quality digital media possible, and I'll do the rest locally. :) But, well ... I do like White Manna, and the iTunes stuff sounds pretty good, so I'm downloading it now from iTMS! ;) I recently picked up the new Martin Barre solo album and Purson's _The Circle and the Blue Door_ from iTMS as well, since I just can't go to the trouble of trying to get physical CDs and stuff anymore! But I do get downloads from Bandcamp and CDBaby if I can. There's just so much good stuff (and, of course, even more less good stuff -- but that's always the way!) on Bandcamp these days. Someone even bought my two free tracks on Bandcamp for three bucks in all, the other day! I'm a pro! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 24 09:09:21 2013 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:09:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <52B61FE8.8010103@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 21 Dec 2013, at 18:10 , Jerry G wrote: > Hi Carl, here's where I bought my copies of 2 White Manna albums > http://www.holymountain.com/artists/white-manna/ Yeah, I actually found their first album via Bandcamp, but end up buying it (and now the new one) from iTunes. I really don't do physical media much these days -- it's not really friendly to my context! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 24 11:30:34 2013 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:30:34 -0500 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <20131224022425.GB72171@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Ben Cohen wrote: >> Have you tried through this route, maybe there is somebody connected with >> education who may already have a subscription that you could "borrow"? >> >> http://gdc.gale.com/products/the-times-digital-archive-1785-1985/ > > Hmmm... I haven't got anyone who might have that sort of subscription - unless > there's someone hiding on here, that is. Ha ha ha. We apparently have a subscription to that at Virginia Tech, but as I pointed out previously, coverage appears to end at 1985. You're interested in 1988, right? When our library opens again in the new year I can ask the subject librarian for the performing arts your question and see what they can turn up---assuming you haven't already got an answer by then. Cheers, Paul. From ben at TMK.COM Tue Dec 24 11:35:43 2013 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <44729420-0C2D-4632-BA7D-3CB591214725@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: > We apparently have a subscription to that at Virginia Tech, but as I pointed > out previously, coverage appears to end at 1985. You're interested in 1988, > right? Correct - November and December of 1988. > When our library opens again in the new year I can ask the subject librarian > for the performing arts your question and see what they can turn > up---assuming you haven't already got an answer by then. Sounds like a plan. Fingers crossed that one of these pans out. Ben From markforum at SKY.COM Tue Dec 24 14:33:46 2013 From: markforum at SKY.COM (Mark Forums) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:33:46 -0000 Subject: A request for some UK library research assistance In-Reply-To: <44729420-0C2D-4632-BA7D-3CB591214725@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Ben Cohen wrote: >> Have you tried through this route, maybe there is somebody connected >> with education who may already have a subscription that you could "borrow"? >> >> http://gdc.gale.com/products/the-times-digital-archive-1785-1985/ > > Hmmm... I haven't got anyone who might have that sort of subscription > - unless there's someone hiding on here, that is. Ha ha ha. We apparently have a subscription to that at Virginia Tech, but as I pointed out previously, coverage appears to end at 1985. You're interested in 1988, right? When our library opens again in the new year I can ask the subject librarian for the performing arts your question and see what they can turn up---assuming you haven't already got an answer by then. Cheers, Paul. They have now made the archive for 1986 to 2006 available (for purchase, not free unfortunately). Mark From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Dec 24 18:48:37 2013 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:48:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <5F4E327B-02E1-40BA-A1E1-36A704FF5BC9@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 12/24/2013 9:09 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 21 Dec 2013, at 18:10 , Jerry G wrote: >> Hi Carl, here's where I bought my copies of 2 White Manna albums >> http://www.holymountain.com/artists/white-manna/ > > Yeah, I actually found their first album via Bandcamp, but end up buying it (and now the new one) from iTunes. I really don't do physical media much these days -- it's not really friendly to my context! > > Cheers, > Carl I still like having a physical copy when possible (as a backup), but the shipping from foreign countries is a little too much sometimes - I really wanted Buddha Sentenza on vinyl, but it was over $20 for shipping and the CD was the same, so I ended up just going digital. One of the things I love about Bandcamp is getting flac files in addition to vinyl (or CD). I can keep the vinyl in mint condition and save myself a lot of time from recording and cleaning/converting to digital. Jerry BTW...someone paid you for a free song? :) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Dec 26 09:27:15 2013 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 09:27:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Best of 2013 (...The Cosmic Dead) In-Reply-To: <52BA1D55.4020507@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 24 Dec 2013, at 18:48 , Jerry G wrote: > I still like having a physical copy when possible (as a backup), but the > shipping from foreign countries is a little too much sometimes - I > really wanted Buddha Sentenza on vinyl, but it was over $20 for shipping > and the CD was the same, so I ended up just going digital. And in my case, it is more likely than not that the physical discs being sent to me would be stolen! My downloads are more likely to arrive, however :) and I have aggressive backups in any case. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Dec 27 05:26:03 2013 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:26:03 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com I've just uploaded two new shows from Christian's FM99,3 Radioradel. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel Shows #[SPECIAL BROADCAST]: NIK TURNER INTERVIEWED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD AND SCOTT HELLER (Originally published in Aural Innovations issues 2-4, April-October 1998) This two part interview with ex-Hawkwind member Nik Turner was conducted in Hamburg, Germany on January 11, 1998 by Christian Mumford and Scott Heller and spread across Aural Innovations issues 2-4, April-October 1998. We have made the raw, unedited version available for anyone who cares to listen. Nik was touring Germany with Swedish band The Moor, on their third date of playing their own material boosted with passages from the Hawkwind/Sphynx/Inner City Unit canons, along with Knut Gerwers performing lyrics by Hawkwind's late Robert Calvert. Christian's FM99,3 Radiorakel Shows #[SPECIAL BROADCAST]: PETER HAMMILL INTERVIEWED BY EDWARD KA-SPEL (Originally broadcast February 11, 2012) We here present an oddity from the vaults: Peter Hammill (of Van Der Graaf Generator) interviewed by Edward Ka-Spel (of The Legendary Pink Dots) originally broadcast on Dutch radio November 1. 1994. It was re-broadcast in Oslo on FM99,3 on one of my shows, on a VdGG/Hammill special on 11. February 2012, with a track from The Stranglers live, with Fripp and Hammill, and some tracks from VdGG's "A Grounding In Numbers" CD. I originally got the file from someone on the Hammill email forum and subsequently shared it on the LPD's "Cloud-Zero" discussion forum as well. It is an amazing document of two greats together in gentlemanly conversation. Enjoy! http://Aural-Innovations.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Dec 27 19:05:11 2013 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:05:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: EAT THE APPLE Message-ID: come, eat. take the psy-op-apple. if this doesn't mess with your head then you surely exist solely as some kind of genetic food supply. I am satisfied that I have solved the puzzle and taken the correct pieces out. good luck!!! (you'll NEED it) http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/?p=episode&name=2012-09-25_20120924_groundzero.mp3 chaser recommended: http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/?p=episode&name=2012-09-26_20120925_groundzero.mp3 From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 13:47:49 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:47:49 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Arin, for letting me know about the Whole Man being the other name for The Telepathist, I do remember it was first mentioned in this group in a discussion and I always wanted to read it. I did download it free through my reader, (I pay a yearly membership, and can download as many books as I want, the voices are robotic, but it works. I read it in a few hours, and really enjoyed it. the Chrysalids is probably my favorite story on the subject, I want to wish you and everyone here all the best in this new year, (special best wishes to Mike Coleman), we're staying in and being mellow, time to put away all that holiday stuffy was tired of it a long time ago. Thank goodness, no more Christmas music. Thanks again, now I will look up the Tomorrow People, and maybe I can find some episodes. I'll give it a try, a kid's show, should be fun. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Mary, Watchmen was a comic by Alan Moore. BTW, spelling for the Chrysalids by John Wyndham is as I show. ...and you might now be able to find The Telepathist (in the US, this is known as The Whole Man) by John Brunner. It looks to have been published in ebook format by ereads in September. http://ereads.com/ecms/book_title/The-Whole-Man I can highly recommend the Brunner book :-) Also, Mary, given the subject material, if you haven't yet seen a kids show called _The Tomorrow People_ you really should. There is a remake on air right now (on the CW), but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Telepathy is front and center for that show. Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 (work) 773-401-8131 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary sullivan Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Greetings, Hey C. Like the pun on Keith's name, (you're bad, (grin). Who wrote Watchmen, I can't find it on my on-line service. You are absolutely right about a clockwork orange being so much better as a novel. The terms he made up were at the beginning of the book on tape, so I played them once, and was good to go for the rest of the read, if I forgot what something meant I could take it in context. I didn't like the scene with the cats, though, but that's my personal thing. I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. Really, the Chrisolyds, (could have the spelling wrong, sorry) is a must read for anyone into telepathy, and I do wish I could find the Telepathist as previously suggested to me. The works of Besta are cool, and the character of Besta is 1 I love to hate from my favorite show Babylon 5. Any suggestions for good new science fiction shows, or movies, well? Keith, thanks for the link on YouTube, I'm enjoying the music, awesome guitar work). it's a nasty rainy day, I guess I'll read a book for a bit. Mary I love The Matrix. I can't keep up with all the great releases coming out, I check out what I can, based on suggestions from the forums on YouTube. Thanks, Happy holidays, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Abra Cadabra Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Keef E ndersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations I liked Bladerunner in its various reduxes for the past 30 years without reading the novel i think its a great SF flick up there with Alien, Terminator, Robocop etc. Watchmen is a MUST read and SEE movie, mindblowing adaptation that left out 60% of the book yet pulled off an incredible movie. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite all time movie, seen it 30 times. Finally read the extended book some years ago, wow, loved it. Jazzy writing, fast paced with all the Nadsat and psycholical chit chat with our dear Delinquent Droog Alex, get to know him well hehe. Inspired by skinheads in the early 60s and inspired countless bands to adopt the Droog look (Chrome, Turbonegro etc). I have a Top 40 of 2013 i am presenting, though i have slashed it down to a shorter Top 25 for Jerry's Aural Innovations blog, with commentary for each release. ArcMet up first since i had my art in the latest CD by them (PLUG PLUG!). But otherwise no particular order than double cheese w/ pepperoni to "Go" or the usual Freemasonry orders etc. Stay tuned for Jan 1 when all our selections are published. Keith had so much stuff i never heard of so he will have to drive me more insane collecting wise then. Architectural Metaphor - Everything You Know Is Wrong Nik Turner - Space Gypsy Black Sabbath - 13 Vo?vod - Target Earth Acid FM - Electric No. 3 Guild Navigators - Red Vision 7 EP Monster Magnet - Last Patrol Burzum - Sol Austan, Mani Vestan Space Mirrors - The Other Gods Spirits Burning & Clearlight - Healthy Music In Large Doses David Bowie - The Next Day The Bevis Frond - Live From The Psychedelic Network Festival 2011 The Bevis Frond - White Numbers Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) ?resund Space Collective - Entering Into The Space Country / Phaze Your Fears ?resund Space Collective - Hamburg Concerts 2013 [ltd. 200] ?resund Space Collective - Live At Kildemose 2008-2010 [ltd. 200 copies] 2LP ?resund Space Collective - Organic Earthly Floatation [ltd. 500 copies] LP Cathedral - The Last Spire Ulver - Messe I.X-VI.X Hawklords - Dream Hawkwind - Spacehawks Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time [Atomhenge 2CD+DVD remaster clamshell ed, with Steven Wilson mix] The Legendary Pink Dots - The Gethsemane Option The Legendary Pink Dots - The Curse Of Marie Antoinette LP The Legendary Pink Dots - Code Noir Pre-Med - Einstein's Day Off Ra Can Row - Ra Can Row LP [reissue] Sarke - Aruagint Satyricon - Satyricon Sendelica - The Kaleidoscopic Kat And It's Autoscopic Ego Huw Lloyd-Langton - Rare & Unreleased: Anthology 1971-2012 Marillion - Clocks Already Ticking [live] [2DVD/3CD] Marillion - Brave Live 2013 (2CD, Racket) Fish - A Feast Of Consequences Megadeth - Super Collider Mot?rhead - Aftershock Melodic Energy Commission - Wave Packet V.A. - The League Of Psychedelic Gentlemen 7" EP [w/ Nick Nicely, The Bevis Frond, Anton Barbeau / Three Minute Tease & Paul Roland] [Fruits De Mer release] Christian From kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 31 14:04:47 2013 From: kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK (Ralph) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:04:47 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Message-ID: > but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Aghh - masochist!! That 70s version was painful stuff - though I should mention, they did nick the concept of "jaunting" from Alfred Bester's superb "Tiger Tiger"... > I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. If you're into Flaming Telepaths, I'd recommend AE Van Vogt's "Slan"... From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 14:35:59 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:35:59 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <3910370366153160.WA.kirthgersenhotmail.co.uk@listserv.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: "I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever," me too, I wish comics were in Braille or read on line, I just want the stories, can't get enough, I know they can't do the graphics for me, which I guess comics rely on," Chris read me the 9 part comic about Phoenix which I loved. "Flaming telepaths," hmm. Tiger Tiger Is that another name for The Stars is My destination, I think that's the correct title, I remember the concept of jaunting. Tim said the Tomorrow people is pretty bad, but that's what I want right now, fun stuff about t.p.s. I really loved Babylon 5, and was so disappointed not to see Besta get what he deserved. A friend tried to convince me he wasn't actually evil, but misguided, I strongly disagree, although he did seem perplexed when Byron and the others offed themselves. Always interested in any suggestions on this subject, be it fact or fiction, feel free to contact me off list. Mary Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations > but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Aghh - masochist!! That 70s version was painful stuff - though I should mention, they did nick the concept of "jaunting" from Alfred Bester's superb "Tiger Tiger"... > I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. If you're into Flaming Telepaths, I'd recommend AE Van Vogt's "Slan"... From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Dec 31 15:02:00 2013 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:02:00 +0000 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <3910370366153160.WA.kirthgersenhotmail.co.uk@listserv.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hey, I like the 70s original, cheese and all! The story The Blue and the Green is very reminiscent of The Midwich Cuckoos and is pretty good. In a disco kind of way :-) Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:07 PM, "Ralph" wrote: >> but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. > > Aghh - masochist!! That 70s version was painful stuff - though I should mention, they did nick the concept of "jaunting" from Alfred Bester's superb "Tiger Tiger"... > >> I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. > > If you're into Flaming Telepaths, I'd recommend AE Van Vogt's "Slan"... From kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 31 15:04:49 2013 From: kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK (Ralph) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:04:49 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Message-ID: > Tiger Tiger Is that another name for The Stars is My destination I think that might have been the name of the original serialisation - I'm UK-based, and "Tiger Tiger" was the title that came out over here... > Tim said the Tomorrow people is pretty bad My observation was based on the 70s show - and - IMHO - THAT WAS pretty bad - not by 70s standards, if you consider it in context... I think at the time, I probably thought it was great, but it hasn't stood the test of time... it's almost painful to watch now when you see clips... However, I haven't seen the latest version yet that's currently showing - maybe that's good? Dunno... The Chrysalids is a good read - but it's hardly "fun stuff about t.p.s." - and neither is "Slan", my own favourite, which I mentioned previously... but they HAVE to be read, so the sooner it's done, the sooner it's out of the way... :-) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 15:44:09 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:44:09 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <0912FE47-89DE-4417-B7B1-8CEED58F017C@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: Can't find the show for free on the net, and I'm too cheap to pay, any links that might work I don't know about, for Me (sorry, but), Dr. Who can get cheesy. Don't hate me, all you folks across the pond, I'm just a displaced person here in America, but the females always tended to be weak concerning The Dr. More stories please? I did read, (of course, the Demolished man), and another book about telepaths where they were all bald mostly working for the betterment of humanity as shrinks and all, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name, (granted, it was about 25 years ago). I'll keep researching Tomorrow people, (both of them), we do use Netflix, but the instant access, it is available on vid. I worry if I try something like Hulu for a 1 month free, I'll space, then get charged for a future month, I prioritize where I put my money, and TV is way low on the scale. It's real cold here, no warmer than around 20 dg, and I love it. July nearly killed me last year, with all the pollution and heat, I can always layer up in this weather, I do understand the inconvenience and danger of snow and ice, but we don't have any of that, now. Wishes for lots of great new music in the year to come, especially for Dave and Hawkwind, and I hope they make it over here, Mary , -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Hey, I like the 70s original, cheese and all! The story The Blue and the Green is very reminiscent of The Midwich Cuckoos and is pretty good. In a disco kind of way :-) Thanks, Arin -- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu 773-834-4087 On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:07 PM, "Ralph" wrote: >> but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. > > Aghh - masochist!! That 70s version was painful stuff - though I should mention, they did nick the concept of "jaunting" from Alfred Bester's superb "Tiger Tiger"... > >> I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. > > If you're into Flaming Telepaths, I'd recommend AE Van Vogt's "Slan"... From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 15:49:20 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:49:20 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <8438140339940436.WA.kirthgersenhotmail.co.uk@listserv.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Ralph, "The Chrysalids is a good read - but it's hardly "fun stuff about t.p.s."Agreed. I'll check and see if Slam is available, thank you. Since I don't drink I won't be calling your name on tomorrow morning, no hang over for me, that's the last thing I'd need with migraines, ak! Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations > Tiger Tiger Is that another name for The Stars is My destination I think that might have been the name of the original serialisation - I'm UK-based, and "Tiger Tiger" was the title that came out over here... > Tim said the Tomorrow people is pretty bad My observation was based on the 70s show - and - IMHO - THAT WAS pretty bad - not by 70s standards, if you consider it in context... I think at the time, I probably thought it was great, but it hasn't stood the test of time... it's almost painful to watch now when you see clips... However, I haven't seen the latest version yet that's currently showing - maybe that's good? Dunno... The Chrysalids is a good read - but it's hardly "fun stuff about t.p.s." - and neither is "Slan", my own favourite, which I mentioned previously... but they HAVE to be read, so the sooner it's done, the sooner it's out of the way... :-) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 15:53:06 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:53:06 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <3910370366153160.WA.kirthgersenhotmail.co.uk@listserv.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Bummer Slam isn't available to me through my service, I may need to try the audiblebooks.com, will do, but not now, I need to get out of cyber space. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations > but go back to the 70s original. There was a nineties remake as well, but I'd still recommend going back to the 70s version. Aghh - masochist!! That 70s version was painful stuff - though I should mention, they did nick the concept of "jaunting" from Alfred Bester's superb "Tiger Tiger"... > I believe I'd like The Watchmen, (or whatever it's called), being interested in telepathy. If you're into Flaming Telepaths, I'd recommend AE Van Vogt's "Slan"... From kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 31 16:02:18 2013 From: kirthgersen at HOTMAIL.CO.UK (Ralph) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:02:18 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Message-ID: Dunno if it matters, but the novel is "SLAN" (rather than "Slam") - written by AE Van Vogt... From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Dec 31 17:48:27 2013 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary sullivan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:48:27 -0500 Subject: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations In-Reply-To: <9323333489530208.WA.kirthgersenhotmail.co.uk@listserv.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ralf, I'd Looked it up by author, rather than title, voice readers, including JAWS, are not that articulate, and annoy everyone else, and if I hear music at the same time which I often like to do, (a certain friend here on the list is always giving me friendly grief about multitasking, maybe he's right. Sorry for the lack of attention to detail, and for the previous run-on sentence, and thanks for the correction on the title. For what it's worth, I'll try it through my Bookshare, they are pretty good, they have more Moorcock and PKD books than any other source I know of, including Perkins Library having searched by author I tend to doubt it. Do you, or anyone else know, Is The Prisoner available free on-line? Growing up in a large family I learned to be, um, thrifty, and never spent much money on albums, I had to be extremely selective. Chris was the opposite, and if he liked an artist figured we should own all their material, to me that was a luxury, back then. Concerning books and vid.s, I still try to get what I can for as little cash as possible, however, with music, for me, it's best when I have an authentic copy that's tangible. Over and on my way out, will be in touch next year, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Keef Endersons 2013 list / SF movie adaptations Dunno if it matters, but the novel is "SLAN" (rather than "Slam") - written by AE Van Vogt...