From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Tue May 1 09:24:55 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:24:55 +0100 Subject: My Review: Avengers Assemble Message-ID: I'll skip any spoilers that you couldn't get out of watching the trailers. I've been waiting for this movie since I was seven years old. So a little too close to five decades than I might have hoped back then. You'd imagine that'd make me generous, but the opposite is closer to the truth: I figured if there'd be one movie that Hollywood would find it easy to screw up, it was this one. They have form too: the X-men movies and the Fantastic Four films. Leaving aside Doctor Who, where so much of the movie was spent acquiring him a hat, a scarf, and an assistant to actually weave in a plot, solo superhero movies mostly managed to tell a good story. Spiderman 1 worked very well, though the sequels didn't live up to the promise. Daredevil, while incorporating some wooden acting, told a story too. X-Men Origins of Wolverine managed far better than the ensemble movies to tell a good tale. Ensemble movies on the other hand haven't had a good record. Fantastic Four spent too much time setting up the characters and X-men spent too much time setting up the better characters, Xavier and Magneto, who unfortunately didn't happen, strictly speaking, to be X-men. Marvel decided to get around this origins problem by taking the main four Avengers and getting their origin stories out in prequel movies. They decided that the first Hulk movie was too arty, and rebooted it with a different actor. Then the new actor had a spat with Hollywood and refused his part in Avengers Assemble - certainly making for a potential Strike One. Iron Man 1 & 2 were much more popular with audiences, probably because Robert Downey Junior very much made the part his own. Thor managed a partly-amusing fish-out-of-water tale of a demigod stranded on Earth and was used to introduce Avengers Bad Guy #1 Loki: Thor's "He's adopted" brother. Finally, in deciding to play Captain America as the straight-arrow loyal and patriotic soldier, Marvel set themselves up for Strike Two. Fortunately for Marvel the bats connected. Borrowing heavily from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, Captain America was handled fairly well. Meanwhile Ruffalo has almost stolen the show in making The Hulk the best character in Avengers Assemble. Hiddleston's Loki brings the most malevolence to sibling rivalry since Cain and Abel. Mostly new character The Black Widow's entrance is made with much aplomb, and the tightest leather pants in any Avenger since Emma Peel - though it has to be admitted that Cobie Smulders' Maria Hill gives her competition even in those stakes. Sixth member Hawkeye's character explication is delayed for reasons of plot, and afterwards only a few hints are dropped as to his, thankfully non-romantic, history with Black Widow. It'll be interesting to see whether there's subsequent audience demand for a backstory movie incorporating those two, possibly with Jackson's Nick Fury. Not that the plot is held up any for introductions, which are very much done on the move. Loki has bad intentions, an all-powerful Cosmic Cube, and Nick Fury forms The Avengers to stop him. It goes without saying that, as with the comics, the sundry superheroes find it hard to get along. For anyone who wants to know what happens when superhero X fights superhero Y, we do discover that it's not very good for trees. Finally the guys assemble at SHIELD's secret base, which owes a tip of the hat to Captain Scarlet, and argue some more. If anyone wonders what the Buffy guy is doing directing here, then the dialogue shows that "Experience in writing witty banter amongst gods, humans, and other entities", must have in bold letters on his resume. Ultimately of course the team has to finally get together and fight the bad guys, So there's a little pathos, as they acquire something to avenge, and, shades of The Hellmouth opening, Loki fetches an army from outer space. It's at this point that I wanted there to have been a little more prior engagement with Loki's army. There hadn't been much time spent establishing what they were after on Earth, other than to kill humans, or why they stopped off at Transformers Planet on the way. So they just get mown down like comsic cannon-fodder in the final scene. But the final scene sets a new standard for movie spectacle. It is completely absorbing and the superheroes do manage to make all the mowing down seem like actual hard work, while the final showdown between one of them and Loki produced the loudest joint laugh I've ever heard from a movie audience. That is though in a good way that they're going to share with their friends, just as soon as their friends have seen the movie - or perhaps some are going to ruin what will become a much-replayed movie comedy moment. I wonder how many wives and girfriends have been subjected to revising the various prequels in the last couple of weeks. I headed out for a repeat IMAX showing last night as a pal's girlfriend (after Thor, Captain America and the two Iron Man movies) drew a line in the sand and refused to accompany him. I would say though that Whedon has managed to make a movie which will appeal far beyond the fanboys and the nostalgic, though it's set a new standard for them. It's headed to making the studios so much money that they'll be under pressure to get more out faster. If this kind of quality is what waiting produces though, I'd counsel them to stick to it. As always, there's an Easter Egg during the trailers. I assume that this tells us who the bad guy is in the next movie, but I can't figure out who it's meant to be. Answers on a postcard... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue May 1 14:57:21 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (star warrior on the edge of time) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:57:21 -0500 Subject: My Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: <4F9FE427.9070302@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: what was the band and what was that movie, was it "up in smoke" which had the lyric "soo psycho, soo psycho" I haven't yet figured out the significance of why the rise of the silver surfer movie was begun at 3 am a couple night ago, and then rolled off in exactly one hour to be replaced by the lone wolf takes a risk" but it made metaphysical sense in my reality at that moment, whatever metaphysical means. I didnlt think roboids and clones, and A.I. in general covered all the bases. what about the blood? Anyway, my friend residing in China and I had a good time seeing the Iron man movie, and I would not have otherwise even been aware of this movie. Emailing China now. maybe he can get plane tickets home. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue May 1 15:39:23 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:39:23 -0500 Subject: My (off topic intrusion) Review: Avengers Assemble Message-ID: do you think Enki, Thoth and Jesus are all parts of the same? Quetzalcoatl too? I say we use our minds to make getting TO Dec 21st the smoothest it can be. the possible futures hang in the balance. WE can effect them. :P From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue May 1 18:26:57 2012 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:26:57 +0100 Subject: My Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: <4F9FE427.9070302@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: All-in-all, a bloody good movie and I'm gonna see it for the third time (with my kids this time :) ) at the weekend. I wonder how Marvel are doing with the Dr Strange movie - hope they've still got plans to produce it in the near future. Horse On 01/05/2012 14:24, Mike Holmes wrote: > I'll skip any spoilers that you couldn't get out of watching the > trailers. > > I've been waiting for this movie since I was seven years old. So a > little too close to five decades than I might have hoped back then. > You'd imagine that'd make me generous, but the opposite is closer to > the truth: I figured if there'd be one movie that Hollywood would find > it easy to screw up, it was this one. They have form too: the X-men > movies and the Fantastic Four films. > > Leaving aside Doctor Who, where so much of the movie was spent > acquiring him a hat, a scarf, and an assistant to actually weave in a > plot, solo superhero movies mostly managed to tell a good story. > Spiderman 1 worked very well, though the sequels didn't live up to the > promise. Daredevil, while incorporating some wooden acting, told a > story too. X-Men Origins of Wolverine managed far better than the > ensemble movies to tell a good tale. > > Ensemble movies on the other hand haven't had a good record. Fantastic > Four spent too much time setting up the characters and X-men spent too > much time setting up the better characters, Xavier and Magneto, who > unfortunately didn't happen, strictly speaking, to be X-men. > > Marvel decided to get around this origins problem by taking the main > four Avengers and getting their origin stories out in prequel movies. > They decided that the first Hulk movie was too arty, and rebooted it > with a different actor. Then the new actor had a spat with Hollywood > and refused his part in Avengers Assemble - certainly making for a > potential Strike One. > > Iron Man 1 & 2 were much more popular with audiences, probably because > Robert Downey Junior very much made the part his own. Thor managed a > partly-amusing fish-out-of-water tale of a demigod stranded on Earth > and was used to introduce Avengers Bad Guy #1 Loki: Thor's "He's > adopted" brother. Finally, in deciding to play Captain America as the > straight-arrow loyal and patriotic soldier, Marvel set themselves up > for Strike Two. > > Fortunately for Marvel the bats connected. Borrowing heavily from Sky > Captain and the World of Tomorrow, Captain America was handled fairly > well. Meanwhile Ruffalo has almost stolen the show in making The Hulk > the best character in Avengers Assemble. > > Hiddleston's Loki brings the most malevolence to sibling rivalry since > Cain and Abel. Mostly new character The Black Widow's entrance is made > with much aplomb, and the tightest leather pants in any Avenger since > Emma Peel - though it has to be admitted that Cobie Smulders' Maria > Hill gives her competition even in those stakes. > > Sixth member Hawkeye's character explication is delayed for reasons of > plot, and afterwards only a few hints are dropped as to his, > thankfully non-romantic, history with Black Widow. It'll be > interesting to see whether there's subsequent audience demand for a > backstory movie incorporating those two, possibly with Jackson's Nick > Fury. > > Not that the plot is held up any for introductions, which are very > much done on the move. Loki has bad intentions, an all-powerful Cosmic > Cube, and Nick Fury forms The Avengers to stop him. > > It goes without saying that, as with the comics, the sundry > superheroes find it hard to get along. For anyone who wants to know > what happens when superhero X fights superhero Y, we do discover that > it's not very good for trees. > > Finally the guys assemble at SHIELD's secret base, which owes a tip of > the hat to Captain Scarlet, and argue some more. If anyone wonders > what the Buffy guy is doing directing here, then the dialogue shows > that "Experience in writing witty banter amongst gods, humans, and > other entities", must have in bold letters on his resume. > > Ultimately of course the team has to finally get together and fight > the bad guys, So there's a little pathos, as they acquire something to > avenge, and, shades of The Hellmouth opening, Loki fetches an army > from outer space. > > It's at this point that I wanted there to have been a little more > prior engagement with Loki's army. There hadn't been much time spent > establishing what they were after on Earth, other than to kill humans, > or why they stopped off at Transformers Planet on the way. So they > just get mown down like comsic cannon-fodder in the final scene. But > the final scene sets a new standard for movie spectacle. It is > completely absorbing and the superheroes do manage to make all the > mowing down seem like actual hard work, while the final showdown > between one of them and Loki produced the loudest joint laugh I've > ever heard from a movie audience. That is though in a good way that > they're going to share with their friends, just as soon as their > friends have seen the movie - or perhaps some are going to ruin what > will become a much-replayed movie comedy moment. > > I wonder how many wives and girfriends have been subjected to revising > the various prequels in the last couple of weeks. I headed out for a > repeat IMAX showing last night as a pal's girlfriend (after Thor, > Captain America and the two Iron Man movies) drew a line in the sand > and refused to accompany him. I would say though that Whedon has > managed to make a movie which will appeal far beyond the fanboys and > the nostalgic, though it's set a new standard for them. It's headed to > making the studios so much money that they'll be under pressure to get > more out faster. If this kind of quality is what waiting produces > though, I'd counsel them to stick to it. > > As always, there's an Easter Egg during the trailers. I assume that > this tells us who the bad guy is in the next movie, but I can't figure > out who it's meant to be. Answers on a postcard... > > FoFP > -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." ? Frank Zappa From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Wed May 2 05:00:28 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:00:28 +0100 Subject: My Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: <4FA06331.6010200@darkstar.uk.net> Message-ID: On 01/05/2012 23:26, Horse wrote: > All-in-all, a bloody good movie and I'm gonna see it for the third time > (with my kids this time :) ) at the weekend. Yup, I'm pretty sure kids will love it. There's nothing more sexual than a kiss, and nothing more scary than they'd see on Doctor Who. > I wonder how Marvel are doing with the Dr Strange movie - hope they've > still got plans to produce it in the near future. I was surprised when I heard they were gonna try that one. It'll be pretty hard to pull off. One thing I think would help is scenes harking back to The Ancient One as in David Carradine's old Kung Fu TV series. All the psychedelia though is going to make it much harder to get the audience to engage with a human story. I'm certainly prepared to be impressed though. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 2 12:36:52 2012 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:36:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Prozak for Lovers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many moons ago I picked up the CD "Prozak for Lovers" because it had a "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" cover on it from CD Baby. I just got an email from them saying they are sending the current backlog off to a landfill or some such. I am not in any way recommending the CD unless you need a good laugh, but here is there email and the address if you want to get one. Long long ago you bought a CD called "Prozak for Lovers". Do you remember it? http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak I'm emailing because the CD is about to go out-of-print forever, at the end of this week. After that, no more. Ordinarily, that's no big deal, because we can just find it some day on iTunes, right? Unfortunately not. Because it's all cover songs, and digital rights are so hard to get, this album won't be sold digitally. The physical CD is it. CD Baby is about to trash the remaining unsold copies of the CD this weekend, so I lowered the price to $4, which is CD Baby's handling fee, which means I get nothing, which is fine. I just wanted the remaining copies to go to people who already know and love this great album. So... if you ever loved this CD and want another copy, here's your last chance to get it before it's gone. Go to http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak -- Derek Sivers derek at sivers.org http://sivers.org "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 2 13:22:29 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:22:29 -0500 Subject: My Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: <4FA06331.6010200@darkstar.uk.net> Message-ID: On 01 May 2012, at 17:26, Horse wrote: > All-in-all, a bloody good movie and I'm gonna see it for the third > time (with my kids this time :) ) at the weekend. Just saw it the other night with the missus, and we both thought it was pretty cool. :) (+1 for Robert Downey Jr. wearing a Sabbath shirt for most of it ... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed May 2 13:58:50 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:58:50 -0400 Subject: My (off topic intrusion) Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Mike, (and friends), Improving the mind, maybe actually it should be the heart or both. Whatever thought is, I'm sending you positive ones. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:39 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: My (off topic intrusion) Review: Avengers Assemble do you think Enki, Thoth and Jesus are all parts of the same? Quetzalcoatl too? I say we use our minds to make getting TO Dec 21st the smoothest it can be. the possible futures hang in the balance. WE can effect them. :P From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed May 2 19:16:18 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:16:18 -0500 Subject: My (off topic intrusion) Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: > Hey Mike, (and friends), Improving the mind, maybe actually it should be > the > heart or both. Whatever thought is, I'm sending you positive ones. > > Mary It's very tempting not to take up planetary domination. In fact I can't be sure I haven't already, and I can't be sure if I want to resist, if I have that ability. . For your sake(s) I certainly hope the best for you in getting the mind out of the heart's path. You're certainly going to need to collectively decide that your vision has receded with age and try to get the lamps on. earth fire air water _ _ _ _ _ ps-what's it like having _homo _sapiens_ friends? nevermind, this is public forum From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed May 2 19:21:49 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:21:49 -0500 Subject: My (off topic intrusion) Review: Avengers Assemble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh dear me words got twisted... that's even better, dear infinite LAW(s) On 5/2/12, mike c wrote: > On 5/2/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: >> Hey Mike, (and friends), Improving the mind, maybe actually it should be >> the >> heart or both. Whatever thought is, I'm sending you positive ones. >> >> Mary > > It's very tempting not to take up planetary domination. In fact I > can't be sure I haven't already, and I can't be sure if I want to > resist, if I have that ability. . > For your sake(s) I certainly hope the best for you in getting the mind > out of the heart's path. > You're certainly going to need to collectively decide that your vision > has receded with age and try to get the lamps on. > earth fire air water _ _ _ _ _ > ps-what's it like having _homo _sapiens_ friends? > nevermind, this is public forum > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed May 2 19:48:45 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:48:45 -0500 Subject: My (off topic intrusion) The Avengers Message-ID: since this is a parallel universe, I've appropriately adjusted the title. I wonder if this aspect alone might somehow effect the movie we are seeing? could there be any "surface level" edits or alterations? is there 3 or more titles? From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 3 12:52:11 2012 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:52:11 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: Tubilah Dog In-Reply-To: <22128CE9-1616-482F-8A49-44D91384657C@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 20 Mar 2012, at 13:27 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> (1) The new Bevis Frond album is really good, even if missing the huge fifteen-minute fuzz-and-delay extravaganza I wish he still did; > Ah, for "House of Mountains" and the "Miskatonic Variations" .... Well, yes, exactly, and primarily the former I admit. But also `Garden Aeroplane Trap', `Tangerine Infringement Beak'... I mean, there used to be a time when basically all Woronzow albums had a fifteen-minute track on them covered in Nick's guitar *even if they weren't by the Frond*... > There's a Frond Facebook group? I should have guessed, really .... > Have to check it out. And a Yahoo Group, as I say, but I suppose it depends how well integrated one is. I am more what you might call dysintegrated. >> (5) I am still slowly acquiring the Atomhenge remasters and am pretty happy with _Space Bandits_, which is not something I would ever have anticipated myself sayin ten years ago. > I still can't describe myself as "pretty happy" with _Space Bandits_, > though will allow it has a few good tracks (though Alan did a better > version of "Wings" with Bedouin). Indubitably! But I am a lot more prepared to be happy with the remaster of SB than I was with the original, which I suppose is kind of the point. And since then I've got the London BBC remaster as well and that's a very nice thing to have. What next, though? Dare I try the remastered _Sonic Attack_? Is it worth it, in order to have a CD version of `Rocky Paths' without the weird mastering error of the EBS version, also to have an even clearer version of `Coded Languages'? (Actually... I quite like `Coded Languages'... but the Brock-a-like songs that pad out the stuff where either Harvey or Moorcock are blowing their tops, I find a bit wearisome.) Yours, Jon (living in a timewarp as ever--except that if it was ever, then it wouldn't be a warp, would it? Oh semantics...) -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Medievalist historian but stands also delivered by some good author." Oxford (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 3 13:07:50 2012 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:07:50 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: Tubilah Dog In-Reply-To: <4F6900FF.8030701@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, Jerry G wrote: > Not BOC related, but have you heard Mars Red Sky yet? Just picked up > their CD a few weeks ago and it's been sounding better each time I > play it. Really good stoner music. I believe most of the album is > on youtube. Here's a few clips: > > Marble Sky > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofR8qlYdvo > > Strong Reflection > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9OxyM7J540 Dear Jerry, well I've heard of them now, and then some! The videos are excellent too, I'm happy about this discovery, thankyou, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Medievalist historian but stands also delivered by some good author." Oxford (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu May 3 13:19:41 2012 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:19:41 +0100 Subject: (OFFish) Salute to Steve (Pond), cont'd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012, In Suspension wrote: > Speaking of mighty master audio-art, which make life almost bearable, > such as "The Presidents Tapes" LP- > I have just heard from a certain collector with an amazing ability to > be simultaneously trying to get hands on the same things as me and > others, that.... > This LP artwork is a "cassette tape" > I'll be damed > I was thinking "Bubbles blockhead-style LSD funhouse" or something, > but never noticed. ... You know, if I'd ever noticed that, I'd forgotten it. When this came in I had to go and get my copy off the shelf and check. Supposedly an intelligent person, I am, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Medievalist historian but stands also delivered by some good author." Oxford (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 3 15:21:04 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:21:04 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Tubilah Dog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03 May 2012, at 11:52 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > But I am a lot more prepared to be happy with the remaster of SB than I was with the original, which I suppose is kind of the point. Ooo, I'm not sure I knew there was a remaster of SB! But, yes, I suppose there would be a reasonable chance it would sound better! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu May 3 16:12:28 2012 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:12:28 +0100 Subject: (OFFish) Salute to Steve (Pond), cont'd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 May 2012 18:19:41 +0100, you sent through the ether: > ... You know, if I'd ever noticed that, I'd forgotten it... Surely the word "Tapes" in the title is a giveaway?? :o) -S. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 3 20:52:14 2012 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:52:14 -0400 Subject: "The 70s" BBC 2 documentary Message-ID: I just started watching episode 3 of the four-part BBC 2 documentary series "The 70s" and noticed a list connection straight away: the show kicked off with B?C's "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" as background music. You won't be terribly surprised to learn that Episode 1 also had Hawkwind's "Silver Machine" as part of the music. Sorry, back to the show... Cheers, Paul. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri May 4 20:22:24 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: HW USA vinyl incongruity spotted, Doremi celebration of LUNA proximity Message-ID: To whom it may concern/interest, if anyone- It was called to my attention today that original USA LP's of Do Re Mi have the "astral lady" (the one) who is DIRCTLY beneath the "moon" on the reverse cover "holding the moon up" :), whereas original UK copies clearly allow you to see her hand in front of the moon. On the second USA press she is reverted back to normal. I have stated before that the USA copies have the track listing correct on the back also, where the UK is in error (I think) to the "moon" wonder why they did this? guess somebody thought the hand might distract the words..... From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Tue May 8 09:34:41 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:34:41 +0100 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness Message-ID: I reckon the folks here might appreciate this one. http://thevaporwareblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/van_halen_hates_brown_mms/ My take is that it only improves one of the legends of rock history to ascertain that there was in fact some logic behind it. Perhaps a coda to Hanlon's Razor ought to be "Never ascribe to megalomania that which can be adequately explained by sheer cunning." FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 8 10:56:48 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:56:48 -0500 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <4FA920F1.80305@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah, I've actually heard that same explanation elsewhere, and I find it pretty convincing. I actually use it as an example with my students when attempting to explain the importance of getting the formatting in their bibliographies/citations/etc. correct: "This is the first thing any examiner is gonna look at. If you get it right, they will assume you are not completely hopeless, and will treat the rest of your product reasonably fairly; if you get it wrong, they will assume you are an idiot, and treat the rest of your product accordingly." I'm not sure how much the "Van Halen Brown M&M" story helps get that point across, but it entertains me at least, so it stays in the "educational set-list". Cheers, Carl On 08 May 2012, at 08:34 , Mike Holmes wrote: > I reckon the folks here might appreciate this one. > > http://thevaporwareblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/van_halen_hates_brown_mms/ > > My take is that it only improves one of the legends of rock history to ascertain that there was in fact some logic behind it. Perhaps a coda to Hanlon's Razor ought to be "Never ascribe to megalomania that which can be adequately explained by sheer cunning." > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Tue May 8 11:18:13 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:18:13 +0100 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <983C9D36-401C-41FB-9D48-CF09E546136B@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 08/05/2012 15:56, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Yeah, I've actually heard that same explanation elsewhere, and I find it pretty convincing. > I actually use it as an example with my students when attempting to explain the importance of > getting the formatting in their bibliographies/citations/etc. correct: "This is the first thing > any examiner is gonna look at. If you get it right, they will assume you are not completely > hopeless, and will treat the rest of your product reasonably fairly; if you get it wrong, > they will assume you are an idiot, and treat the rest of your product accordingly." I always bin a CV at the second spelling or punctuation error (and I often worry I'm getting too tolerant in giving one free). If someone can't pay attention to detail on something as important as a CV, I'd be stupid to expect them to pay attention to detail while working for me. Checklists aren't always written for idiots (stupid people don't tend to become pilots for the obvious reason), but when they are, it does make sense to be curious as to whether they were followed or not. Too often, people who skip on the checklists are fatally dangerous. Here's one just this week who may have skipped a "hang test". A little reading between the lines suggests that a hang test is where the customer lifts their feet from the ground to discover whether they'd detach from the aircraft. This is information which is far better discovered while on the ground than while airborne. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/04/30/bc-hang-glider-death.html Any kind of flying is replete with checklists, because it's what people know is so that will kill them and many items on checklists simply confirm that what's supposed to be so, is so. Just ask anyone who knew the chamber was empty when they started to clean their gun. > I'm not sure how much the "Van Halen Brown M&M" story helps get that point across, > but it entertains me at least, so it stays in the "educational set-list". There's a great deal of evidence to support the idea that people remember what entertains them far better than what does not. Even were the story untrue, it still elicits an important lesson in creatively producing a visual signal regarding checklist compliance. FoFP P.S: Looking down the barrel is a poor way to check whether the chamber is empty. The failure mode is left as an exercise for the reader. I tried this during my first paintball match, to the hilarity of everyone present. Fortunately for my eyesight, I was wearing my goggles. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 8 11:46:50 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:46:50 -0500 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <4FA93935.8030004@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 08 May 2012, at 10:18 , Mike Holmes wrote: >> I'm not sure how much the "Van Halen Brown M&M" story helps get that point across, >> but it entertains me at least, so it stays in the "educational set-list". > > There's a great deal of evidence to support the idea that people remember what entertains them far better than what does not. Even were the story untrue, it still elicits an important lesson in creatively producing a visual signal regarding checklist compliance. Yeah, so the trick is that I dunno to what extent it might entertain the _students_ or not! ;) Still, if they don't believe in my recommendation based on the VH story, they will at least have the chance to get a reminder if I end up grading one of their papers .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jt_ at COX.NET Wed May 9 01:51:23 2012 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:51:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Prozak for Lovers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I bought it. It's be amusing if the guy got a sudden spate of orders from your post in this group. Sent from my iBrain On May 2, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Rus Hall wrote: > Many moons ago I picked up the CD > > "Prozak for Lovers" because it had a "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" cover on it > > from CD Baby. > > I just got an email from them saying they are sending the current backlog off to a landfill or some such. > > I am not in any way recommending the CD unless you need a good laugh, but here is there email and the address if you want to get one. > > > > Long long ago you bought a CD called "Prozak for Lovers". > > Do you remember it? http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak > > I'm emailing because the CD is about to go out-of-print forever, at the end of this week. After that, no more. > > Ordinarily, that's no big deal, because we can just find it some day on iTunes, right? > > Unfortunately not. Because it's all cover songs, and digital rights are so hard to get, this album won't be sold digitally. The physical CD is it. > > CD Baby is about to trash the remaining unsold copies of the CD this weekend, so I lowered the price to $4, which is CD Baby's handling fee, which means I get nothing, which is fine. I just wanted the remaining copies to go to people who already know and love this great album. > > So... if you ever loved this CD and want another copy, here's your last chance to get it before it's gone. > > Go to http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak > > -- > Derek Sivers derek at sivers.org http://sivers.org > > "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! > > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed May 9 02:43:24 2012 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 14:43:24 +0800 Subject: BOC: Prozak for Lovers In-Reply-To: <3F7038EF-73B5-4881-BBB3-8405BDC1F574@cox.net> Message-ID: The version of "Love Will Tear us Apart" is...... *curious*.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdafP7zqwfA On 9 May 2012 13:51, Jeff Thompson wrote: > Well, I bought it. It's be amusing if the guy got a sudden spate of > orders from your post in this group. > > Sent from my iBrain > > On May 2, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Rus Hall wrote: > > > Many moons ago I picked up the CD > > > > "Prozak for Lovers" because it had a "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" cover on > it > > > > from CD Baby. > > > > I just got an email from them saying they are sending the current > backlog off to a landfill or some such. > > > > I am not in any way recommending the CD unless you need a good laugh, > but here is there email and the address if you want to get one. > > > > > > > > Long long ago you bought a CD called "Prozak for Lovers". > > > > Do you remember it? http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak > > > > I'm emailing because the CD is about to go out-of-print forever, at the > end of this week. After that, no more. > > > > Ordinarily, that's no big deal, because we can just find it some day on > iTunes, right? > > > > Unfortunately not. Because it's all cover songs, and digital rights are > so hard to get, this album won't be sold digitally. The physical CD is it. > > > > CD Baby is about to trash the remaining unsold copies of the CD this > weekend, so I lowered the price to $4, which is CD Baby's handling fee, > which means I get nothing, which is fine. I just wanted the remaining > copies to go to people who already know and love this great album. > > > > So... if you ever loved this CD and want another copy, here's your last > chance to get it before it's gone. > > > > Go to http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/prozak > > > > -- > > Derek Sivers derek at sivers.org http://sivers.org > > > > "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That > way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no > shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes > are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I > can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." > -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! > > > > > From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Wed May 9 05:06:03 2012 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:06:03 +0200 Subject: Hawkwid Onward Message-ID: Hello I am really surprised that there has been no discussion of the new Hawkwind record. I still don't have mine but some of you out there must have it by now... What do people think compared to Blood of the Earth?? Has anyone heard the vinyl? They did a terrible job on the mastering of the vinyl on the last one, sound was very muddy (way too much low end) compared to the CD sound. Hope they sort this one out. I have not bought the vinyl yet as I don't listen to the last one on vinyl due to the sound issues. Anyway, I really look forward to hearing it and digging into the songs... All the best, Scott PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... http://www.oresundspacecollective.com From pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET Wed May 9 06:43:47 2012 From: pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET (PamWheaton) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:43:47 -0600 Subject: Hawkwid Onward In-Reply-To: <52F66DAB374A5E409EDA53CF7267155803EF615B@exdkmbx001.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: I just got mine, have listened to it twice, and really haven't gotten into it yet. I've gone back to driving cab, and it's a bit difficult to pay attention to customers & tunez at the same time, tho I do try :) Pam On 5/9/2012 3:06 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Hello > > I am really surprised that there has been no discussion of the new Hawkwind record. I still don't have mine but some of you out there must have it by now... What do people think compared to Blood of the Earth?? Has anyone heard the vinyl? They did a terrible job on the mastering of the vinyl on the last one, sound was very muddy (way too much low end) compared to the CD sound. Hope they sort this one out. I have not bought the vinyl yet as I don't listen to the last one on vinyl due to the sound issues. > > Anyway, I really look forward to hearing it and digging into the songs... > > All the best, > > Scott > > PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... > > http://www.oresundspacecollective.com From stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 8 18:56:13 2012 From: stewartbas at AOL.COM (stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:56:13 -0400 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <983C9D36-401C-41FB-9D48-CF09E546136B@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. bill s -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 12:04 pm Subject: Re: Sometimes there really is method in their madness Yeah, I've actually heard that same explanation elsewhere, and I find it pretty onvincing. I actually use it as an example with my students when attempting to xplain the importance of getting the formatting in their bibliographies/citations/etc. orrect: "This is the first thing any examiner is gonna look at. If you get it ight, they will assume you are not completely hopeless, and will treat the rest f your product reasonably fairly; if you get it wrong, they will assume you are n idiot, and treat the rest of your product accordingly." I'm not sure how much the "Van Halen Brown M&M" story helps get that point cross, but it entertains me at least, so it stays in the "educational et-list". Cheers, arl On 08 May 2012, at 08:34 , Mike Holmes wrote: > I reckon the folks here might appreciate this one. http://thevaporwareblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/van_halen_hates_brown_mms/ My take is that it only improves one of the legends of rock history to scertain that there was in fact some logic behind it. Perhaps a coda to anlon's Razor ought to be "Never ascribe to megalomania that which can be dequately explained by sheer cunning." FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -- arl Edlund Anderson ttp://www.carlaz.com/ From Crasher42 at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 9 18:10:56 2012 From: Crasher42 at NTLWORLD.COM (Phil Brown) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:10:56 +0100 Subject: Hawkwid Onward In-Reply-To: <52F66DAB374A5E409EDA53CF7267155803EF615B@exdkmbx001.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On first listen, I would rate it better than Blood of the Earth, which I've no problem with. On Wed, 9 May 2012 11:06:03 +0200 SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > >Hello > >I am really surprised that there has been no discussion of the new Hawkwind record. I still don't have mine but some >of you out there must have it by now... What do people think compared to Blood of the Earth?? Has anyone heard the >vinyl? They did a terrible job on the mastering of the vinyl on the last one, sound was very muddy (way too much low >end) compared to the CD sound. Hope they sort this one out. I have not bought the vinyl yet as I don't listen to the >last one on vinyl due to the sound issues. > >Anyway, I really look forward to hearing it and digging into the songs... > >All the best, > >Scott > >PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... > >http://www.oresundspacecollective.com > Crasher crasher42 at ntlworld.com tel 023 92876004 From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 9 18:46:49 2012 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:46:49 -0400 Subject: Hawkwid Onward - nothing in Canada so far In-Reply-To: <100.3838030070ebaa4f.001@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Anybody seen a copy in Canada yet ?? I've been looking, no sightings yet...cd or vinyl... Steve L > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:10:56 +0100 > From: Crasher42 at NTLWORLD.COM > Subject: Re: Hawkwid Onward > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On first listen, I would rate it better than Blood of the Earth, which I've no problem with. > > > > > > On Wed, 9 May 2012 11:06:03 +0200 SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > > > >Hello > > > >I am really surprised that there has been no discussion of the new Hawkwind record. I still don't have mine > but some > >of you out there must have it by now... What do people think compared to Blood of the Earth?? Has anyone > heard the > >vinyl? They did a terrible job on the mastering of the vinyl on the last one, sound was very muddy (way too > much low > >end) compared to the CD sound. Hope they sort this one out. I have not bought the vinyl yet as I don't listen > to the > >last one on vinyl due to the sound issues. > > > >Anyway, I really look forward to hearing it and digging into the songs... > > > >All the best, > > > >Scott > > > >PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... > > > >http://www.oresundspacecollective.com > > > > Crasher > > crasher42 at ntlworld.com > > tel 023 92876004 From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed May 9 19:22:16 2012 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:22:16 -0400 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <8CEFB84E7310C1B-B20-D7DD@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I actually kind of like their first album. Have to throw the first 3 albums on my playlist - haven't listened in a while. I don't care for Sammy Hagar, and that reminds me of another, I like Joe Satriani, but I don't care for that new group. I think it's called Chickenfeet or something. On 5/8/2012 6:56 PM, stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. > > bill s From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed May 9 19:27:05 2012 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:27:05 -0400 Subject: Hawkwid Onward In-Reply-To: <52F66DAB374A5E409EDA53CF7267155803EF615B@exdkmbx001.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On 5/9/2012 5:06 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... > > http://www.oresundspacecollective.com Hi Scott, did I see something on your bandcamp page about Siena Root on West, Space and Love? Jerry From jt_ at COX.NET Wed May 9 19:34:49 2012 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:34:49 -0500 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <4FAAFC28.5020207@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Yes, Chickenfoot. Great band name. Great musicians. I didn't enjoy it as much as I'd have hoped. On May 9, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Jerry G wrote: > I actually kind of like their first album. Have to throw the > first 3 albums on my playlist - haven't listened in a while. > > I don't care for Sammy Hagar, and that reminds me of another, > I like Joe Satriani, but I don't care for that new group. I > think it's called Chickenfeet or something. > > > On 5/8/2012 6:56 PM, stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: >> I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. >> >> bill s From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed May 9 21:20:03 2012 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:20:03 -0700 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <4FAAFC28.5020207@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: The better hard rock supergroup I think is Black Country Communion with Glenn Hughes, Joe Bonamassa, Jason Bonham and Derek Shernanian(sp?). ________________________________ From: Jerry G To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Sometimes there really is method in their madness I actually kind of like their first album. Have to throw the first 3 albums on my playlist - haven't listened in a while. I don't care for Sammy Hagar, and that reminds me of another, I like Joe Satriani, but I don't care for that new group. I think it's called Chickenfeet or something. On 5/8/2012 6:56 PM, stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. > > bill s From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed May 9 21:24:00 2012 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Nexus of the bases, the origin of baseball In-Reply-To: <1336612803.15818.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This has to be the most unusual use of BOC (and the only use of "Gil Blanco County", anywhere): http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/04/mlb_season_preview_blue_oyster_cult_national_league.php From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Thu May 10 05:11:17 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:11:17 +0100 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <8CEFB84E7310C1B-B20-D7DD@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 08/05/2012 23:56, stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. I tend to prefer Sports Mixtures. There is a link though. As kids, when we travelled to the grocer's to buy some, we could order "Quarter Pound of Sports Mixtures, no blacks". The grocer would dutifully pour 'em out and pick out the black (liquorice flavour, it wasn't a race thing - though would it be if we excluded black Jelly Babies?) ones and put them in a separate jar. There were a fw weird kids who'd order "all blacks". When modern service methods came in, we couldn't expect Retail Assistants to pick out the blacks for us. I discovered that eating a liquorice and a fruit one, both at once, sufficiently altered the bitterness to be palatable. In some of the modern packs which are of course pre-sealed these days, the liquorice has now been replaced by blackberry-flavour black sweets. If I'm ever a Rock God though, I know what to do... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 10 14:16:01 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16:01 -0500 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <4FAAFC28.5020207@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: I'm not a big fan of VH myself -- a few songs, here and there, you know, as you do. But, on the other hand, I can't argue with Eddie's guitar tone. He sounded awesome on those early albums. I have more or less the same feeling about Guns'n'Roses: yeah, a few cool songs (not like the band, as such, really produced that much!), but Slash had (has?) some great guitar tone. Cheers, Carl On 09 May 2012, at 18:22 , Jerry G wrote: > I actually kind of like their first album. Have to throw the > first 3 albums on my playlist - haven't listened in a while. > > I don't care for Sammy Hagar, and that reminds me of another, > I like Joe Satriani, but I don't care for that new group. I > think it's called Chickenfeet or something. > > > On 5/8/2012 6:56 PM, stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: >> I always thought they sucked. Van Halen that is, not brown mms. >> >> bill s > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 10 14:18:49 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:18:49 -0500 Subject: Sometimes there really is method in their madness In-Reply-To: <1336612803.15818.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 09 May 2012, at 20:20 , gary shindler wrote: > The better hard rock supergroup I think is Black Country Communion with Glenn Hughes, Joe Bonamassa, Jason Bonham and Derek Shernanian(sp?). I've heard some of their stuff, and it's pretty good. I think the _play_ better than they _write_, if you see what I mean, but it seemed cool. I'm not particularly a fan of Glenn's voice, but the Tony Iommi _Fused_ album that he was on a couple of years back all day :) (OK, mostly since Tony is completely stonking on it, but, OK!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu May 10 20:00:36 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:00:36 -0400 Subject: my nephew sent me this, Message-ID: enjoy. Mary From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Fri May 11 10:36:41 2012 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: Hawkwid Onward In-Reply-To: <4FAAFD49.1020507@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Grabbed mine from iTunes on the release date, it's fantastic. M Sent from my iPad 2 On May 9, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Jerry G wrote: > On 5/9/2012 5:06 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: >> PS: ?resund Space collective will have our 13th release, Phaze your Fears out on vinyl next week.... >> >> http://www.oresundspacecollective.com > > Hi Scott, did I see something on your bandcamp page about Siena > Root on West, Space and Love? > > Jerry From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri May 11 16:15:25 2012 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (strobridge jill) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:15:25 +0100 Subject: The Future Sound of London? Message-ID: Do Not Panic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18042528 jill From lucidsound at IC24.NET Fri May 11 16:52:15 2012 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (Lucidsounds) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:52:15 +0100 Subject: The Future Sound of London? Message-ID: 'An MoD spokesman said it would be used "primarily in the loud hailer mode"' It's not Michael Moorcock is it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "strobridge jill" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: The Future Sound of London? > Do Not Panic > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18042528 > > jill From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat May 12 00:49:08 2012 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:49:08 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Onward In-Reply-To: <52F66DAB374A5E409EDA53CF7267155803EF615B@exdkmbx001.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Hi Folks... For those on Spotify, the album is now available to listen on demand. (Spotify is free, if you're willing to put up with the annoying commercials every 10-15 minutes or so.) There's no information about the tracks (songwriters, musicians, etc.), so I will just tell you what I hear without any detailed knowledge. My immediate thoughts, track-by-track... 1. Seasons (5:44) hard-rocking tune, one of Dibs' no doubt; lots of tasty lead guitar work, good crunchy blanga rhythms, sounds as much like Litmus as Spacehead. Good start. 2. The Hills Have Ears (5:05) faster, rocking tune in two halves surrounding a long quiet passage, lots of synth layers, lead vocals by Richard I believe. Not bad at all. 3. Mind Cut (4:54) Holy crap! This sounds nothing like Hawkwind. Spiritualized has a brand new album out too ("Sweet Heart Sweet Light"), and I think this one belongs there instead. Pierce does the occasional lullaby song, with thick warm orchestration, and this is along those lines. Brock singing. The replacement for Love In Space? Well then, the perfect beer/bathroom break during live sets! 4. System Check (1:06) A takeoff of the old Cockpit Check and/or Stacia's Countdown routine. 5. Death Trap (3:31) Wait...didn't they already remake this track, back in the Ron/Jerry era? Then why again? Retains the punkish sound (rather bright and edgy), vocals heavily fX'ed/L-R faded....too loud in the left channel. Not a good mix IMHO. Different enough from the other two, but in no way better. 6. Southern Cross (6:40) Instrumental Space-Ambient piece, very nice work here. Not simple filler music, though lazy-paced. Did Tim write this one? Could be. The background bass and percussion is well done too, could be real bass guitar and acoustic drums or synth./programmed, hard to tell (which is rare). Synth-soloing sounds like Nik playing flute in the pyramids. Some counter-lead guitar here and there. Thumbs up! 7. The Prophecy (4:14) A Brock tune, a bit of a demo-y feel to the recording, although the mix is decent enough. Sounds like he's plagiarizing his own tune "Where Are They Now?" a bit. Different lyrics tho'. This song could have appeared on any HW album over the last 30 years and fit in. Nothing we haven't heard before, but nice enough. 8. Electric Tears (0:57) Segue music, synths with Brock lead guitar...fine enough 9. The Drive By (4:39) extended intro with more lead gtr work, simple bassline/complex percussion, and warm synths...transitions into a funkier, technoish electronic jam (real bass guitar tho'), with some chant vocals (Richard?), maybe a Chadwick composition? More guitar lead (Brock again? Where's Niall on this album?)...just OK 10. Computer Cowards (5:28) Punkier tune, with whispered/echoed vocals. Very sludgy/"unfinished" mix, like something from Distant Horizons. Guess Dibs wrote this (?), but sounds like a Ron tune. Star Cannibal-ish to a certain degree at the same time. ("Good Evening" comes to mind too.) Not too sure about this one...don't think it will grow on me much. 11. Howling Moon (2:12) Two minutes of linking music of little note...noodly stuff. 12. Right To Decide (6:33) Completely superfluous. I understand the desire to re-record some stuff from the past, due to technological evolution and changing tastes in sound engineering (get rid of nasty '80s gated drums etc.). But why this track? Not appreciably different from the original. Tim Blake key-tar soloing towards end is the lone noteworthy diff. Even has a little less energy, drums sound a little thuddy. Very poor choice to remake, and why so many remakes anyway? Mask of Morning was brilliant. How 'bout Sweet Mistress of Pain instead here? Or hell, even Kings of Speed? ...Or... 13. Aero Space Age (5:54) This remake is much more significant, and is altered a great deal. Richard's drumming contribution is interesting. Layered, busy, kinda like Phetamine Street, but better production. Dibs/Richard singing in harmony, I like this a lot, just as I loved the Brock/Chadwick singing on the Paradox remake. Strong bass guitar playing from Dibs here, and he adds a new spoken word bit in the middle. (Some gtr soloing in left channel, could this be Niall playing? Still sounds Brockian.) Very nice. 14. The Flowering Of The Rose (8:25) Oddly faded in, like it's edited from a (much) longer recording. In fact, this sounds for all the world like a studio jam session doing an instrumental Damnation Alley, and they just cut off the first stanzas, and just started in at the long jam part. 'Cause it absolutely *IS* Damnation Alley at the very end. This is the kind of track just laying around that went on any number of F&R or Zones-type albums in the 80s. New, but not new, and with a new title. Circles, The Island, whatever. That said, I like it. Great HW-jamming. Tim (and Niall too?) on various keys and I think some Theremin. 15. Trans Air Trucking (2:40) Interesting experimental all-electronic march-style number. Synth bass here for sure. Lots of layers and cool rhythms. Something that is pure Hawkwind, but not like any previous HW number. Too short, sadly. 16. Deep Vents (0:33) bit of synth linking music... 17. Green Finned Demon (5:25) This is a "new" album, is it not? Well, OK, GFD was a solo Brock piece before, but they've done live recordings of this to already make it a true HW piece. More thickly orchestrated here, lyrics (Brock again, natch) sung in the same style, similar slow pace. More developed bassline by Dibs. Lots of gurgly synths. Melodic lead gtr that is appropriate. I like it, but I already liked this song as it was! plus Untitled bonus (?) track*, which I'll call 18. Of Flesh And Blood (?) (7:56) An original brand new track (by Dibs probably), pure HW blanga space rock, lyrics semi-spoken. Strong bassline, simple crunchy guitar rhythm, with a long middle slow-dubby section with more spoken word bits (Brock now? echoed). Title could be anything, but one phrase is prominent and repeated "Of Flesh And Blood, We Two/Too Are One." This could be the best new rock song on the album, why the hell is it a bonus/afterthought?! *this takes the Spotify version past the 80 minute mark, so it can't be on a single CD this way (2xLP could have all 18 tracks, for sure) --------------------------------------------------------------- General impressions: "Onward" comes across quite similarly to Blood Of The Earth. The sound of the album, variety of styles, production, new tunes, and PLETHORA of remakes (self-tributes?) are all retained. Inside "Onward" is a really good 40-minute album of new material. And then there is the other 40 minutes of stuff that would have been better suited to putting on a second CD for a ltd ed. release for fans. Like Blood of the Earth was on 2 CDs (at least my box version...can't remember what the one CD version was like). The Scorpions just released a "new" CD that was all covers, many of which were remakes of their own songs, mostly the 80s stuff that all sounded like crap because of horrible 80s production. Miserable gated drums again. So I can understand why a band would do such a thing, esp. a band that is now effectively retired and won't have the chance to 'repair' that material again. HW could do that with Black Sword (which I think sounds fucking terrible in 2012) - same with Xenon Codex. Maybe the Atomhenge versions (which I haven't heard) address some of the problems of the mid-80s studio abuses, I dunno. But reimagining that mat'l today might be a better idea than some of the songs that they *are* choosing to rehash. Though I don't really like the songs of Black Sword much to begin with (1000 Tears was the best, and the 6/8 bit of Elric was decent enough). And the whole thing was a bit hokey, and probably belongs best left in its own time. But I digress. Anyway, Onward has some really interesting bits on it that lead me to believe that the band is hardly on its last legs. Which is fucking amazing, because I remember boc-l in the year 1994, when the half the discussion here (and there was a LOT more discussion) was how the next Hawkwind tour was likely to be the last, since Dave was probably going to retire. Which is why I went to seven gigs in 10 days back in 1995, because I was certain I would *NEVER* see the band live again after that. And it is SEVENTEEN years later now, and here we are with a brand new album. And it isn't terrible! :) And with the exception of one track (3), it all sounds like Hawkwind. There's new blood in the band (again), making major contributions. Though I have to say...I can't really hear much of any "voice" appearing on this album from Niall. For all I can tell, he could just as easily not be on it at all. I don't have any liner notes to look at, so I can't listen for him on certain tracks or know who wrote what. But that seems odd to me. There's plenty of nice guitar work on here too BTW, for those of you who also remember the years-long boc-l "whinging" spree on TOO LITTLE GUITAR FROM DAVE! You'll be pleased I think...he's hardly sitting this one out. I'm interested to see what new tracks will appear live this spring/summer on stage. There are a couple here that would make good ones. I hope they choose wisely. And hope of course, that maybe they'll return to the states again one day, as I am not European-based anymore. :( That's all for now...perhaps this will turn into a formal review soon, but probably not since I'm too goddamn lazy. Keith ObFreeCD-EP: Cayetana (Budapest) - Vulpecula (2010) http://www.last.fm/music/cayetana/Vulpecula+EP Like Korai Orom, but perhaps even better! Get the two live tracks at Last.fm too. NP: Hills (Sweden) - Master Sleeps ('11) From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat May 12 01:21:46 2012 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:21:46 -0700 Subject: (wuz) Sometimes (now) Glenn Hughes In-Reply-To: <5B38800C-0954-414E-B333-0977E9114AB4@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlooond hath wrought... > I'm not particularly a fan of Glenn's voice... I love his singing on the Medusa album by Trapeze (1972), a fantastic album in every sense, but haven't really cared for much of his singing since, ie., 99% of it. Once he went to "replace" Ian Gillan, he decided he had to sing like that now. And never went back. Keith From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat May 12 15:03:48 2012 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:03:48 -0500 Subject: (wuz) Sometimes (now) Glenn Hughes In-Reply-To: <1336800106.41526.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12 May 2012, at 00:21 , Keith Henderson wrote: > I love his singing on the Medusa album by Trapeze (1972), a fantastic album in every sense, but haven't really cared for much of his singing since, ie., 99% of it. Once he went to "replace" Ian Gillan, he decided he had to sing like that now. And never went back. I have to admit that I haven't heard Trapeze, though I have read that Black Country Communion did a cover of one of those songs on one of the discs. Though I suppose that will have the "post-Gillan" style on it ..... Speaking of Gillan, have folks heard the WhoCares super group thing (w/Lord, Iommi, Newsted, McBrain, etc.). Not world changing, but a satisfyingly solid effort. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Sat May 12 23:35:36 2012 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:35:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Onward In-Reply-To: <1336798148.88988.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm curious and will check out if the Spotify stream sounds as, well compressed for want of a better word as the iTunes issue I bought. The more I listen to this "album" the more I like the material and dislike the mix. I'm hoping that once I pick up the actual cd I will find its just poor mp3 compression, but I'm not fully convinced. I have a killer sound system in my car, and although a cd always sounds better than an mp3, unless I ripped it myself, I'm finding this release seems to peak out at much lower volume than most of my music. And it sounds a bit mushy in my headphones as well. I for one don't mind the "covers", this is a long standing tradition, and if you are going to give me a double cd length release, I just love it! I would however have loved to hear more Dave and Richard. This doesn't mean less Dibsey, I love his vocals too. Mike Sent from my iPad 2 On May 12, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Keith Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks... > > For those on Spotify, the album is now available to listen on demand. (Spotify is free, if you're willing to put up with the annoying commercials every 10-15 minutes or so.) There's no information about the tracks (songwriters, musicians, etc.), so I will just tell you what I hear without any detailed knowledge. > > My immediate thoughts, track-by-track... > > 1. Seasons (5:44) > hard-rocking tune, one of Dibs' no doubt; lots of tasty lead guitar work, good crunchy blanga rhythms, sounds as much like Litmus as Spacehead. Good start. > > 2. The Hills Have Ears (5:05) > faster, rocking tune in two halves surrounding a long quiet passage, lots of synth layers, lead vocals by Richard I believe. Not bad at all. > > 3. Mind Cut (4:54) > Holy crap! This sounds nothing like Hawkwind. Spiritualized has a brand new album out too ("Sweet Heart Sweet Light"), and I think this one belongs there instead. Pierce does the occasional lullaby song, with thick warm orchestration, and this is along those lines. Brock singing. The replacement for Love In Space? Well then, the perfect beer/bathroom break during live sets! > > 4. System Check (1:06) > A takeoff of the old Cockpit Check and/or Stacia's Countdown routine. > > 5. Death Trap (3:31) > Wait...didn't they already remake this track, back in the Ron/Jerry era? Then why again? Retains the punkish sound (rather bright and edgy), vocals heavily fX'ed/L-R faded....too loud in the left channel. Not a good mix IMHO. Different enough from the other two, but in no way better. > > 6. Southern Cross (6:40) > Instrumental Space-Ambient piece, very nice work here. Not simple filler music, though lazy-paced. Did Tim write this one? Could be. The background bass and percussion is well done too, could be real bass guitar and acoustic drums or synth./programmed, hard to tell (which is rare). Synth-soloing sounds like Nik playing flute in the pyramids. Some counter-lead guitar here and there. Thumbs up! > > 7. The Prophecy (4:14) > A Brock tune, a bit of a demo-y feel to the recording, although the mix is decent enough. Sounds like he's plagiarizing his own tune "Where Are They Now?" a bit. Different lyrics tho'. This song could have appeared on any HW album over the last 30 years and fit in. Nothing we haven't heard before, but nice enough. > > 8. Electric Tears (0:57) > Segue music, synths with Brock lead guitar...fine enough > > 9. The Drive By (4:39) > extended intro with more lead gtr work, simple bassline/complex percussion, and warm synths...transitions into a funkier, technoish electronic jam (real bass guitar tho'), with some chant vocals (Richard?), maybe a Chadwick composition? More guitar lead (Brock again? Where's Niall on this album?)...just OK > > 10. Computer Cowards (5:28) > Punkier tune, with whispered/echoed vocals. Very sludgy/"unfinished" mix, like something from Distant Horizons. Guess Dibs wrote this (?), but sounds like a Ron tune. Star Cannibal-ish to a certain degree at the same time. ("Good Evening" comes to mind too.) Not too sure about this one...don't think it will grow on me much. > > 11. Howling Moon (2:12) > Two minutes of linking music of little note...noodly stuff. > > 12. Right To Decide (6:33) > Completely superfluous. I understand the desire to re-record some stuff from the past, due to technological evolution and changing tastes in sound engineering (get rid of nasty '80s gated drums etc.). But why this track? Not appreciably different from the original. Tim Blake key-tar soloing towards end is the lone noteworthy diff. Even has a little less energy, drums sound a little thuddy. Very poor choice to remake, and why so many remakes anyway? Mask of Morning was brilliant. How 'bout Sweet Mistress of Pain instead here? Or hell, even Kings of Speed? ...Or... > > 13. Aero Space Age (5:54) > This remake is much more significant, and is altered a great deal. Richard's drumming contribution is interesting. Layered, busy, kinda like Phetamine Street, but better production. Dibs/Richard singing in harmony, I like this a lot, just as I loved the Brock/Chadwick singing on the Paradox remake. Strong bass guitar playing from Dibs here, and he adds a new spoken word bit in the middle. (Some gtr soloing in left channel, could this be Niall playing? Still sounds Brockian.) Very nice. > > 14. The Flowering Of The Rose (8:25) > Oddly faded in, like it's edited from a (much) longer recording. In fact, this sounds for all the world like a studio jam session doing an instrumental Damnation Alley, and they just cut off the first stanzas, and just started in at the long jam part. 'Cause it absolutely *IS* Damnation Alley at the very end. This is the kind of track just laying around that went on any number of F&R or Zones-type albums in the 80s. New, but not new, and with a new title. Circles, The Island, whatever. That said, I like it. Great HW-jamming. Tim (and Niall too?) on various keys and I think some Theremin. > > 15. Trans Air Trucking (2:40) > Interesting experimental all-electronic march-style number. Synth bass here for sure. Lots of layers and cool rhythms. Something that is pure Hawkwind, but not like any previous HW number. Too short, sadly. > > 16. Deep Vents (0:33) > bit of synth linking music... > > 17. Green Finned Demon (5:25) > This is a "new" album, is it not? Well, OK, GFD was a solo Brock piece before, but they've done live recordings of this to already make it a true HW piece. More thickly orchestrated here, lyrics (Brock again, natch) sung in the same style, similar slow pace. More developed bassline by Dibs. Lots of gurgly synths. Melodic lead gtr that is appropriate. I like it, but I already liked this song as it was! > > plus Untitled bonus (?) track*, which I'll call > 18. Of Flesh And Blood (?) (7:56) > An original brand new track (by Dibs probably), pure HW blanga space rock, lyrics semi-spoken. Strong bassline, simple crunchy guitar rhythm, with a long middle slow-dubby section with more spoken word bits (Brock now? echoed). Title could be anything, but one phrase is prominent and repeated "Of Flesh And Blood, We Two/Too Are One." This could be the best new rock song on the album, why the hell is it a bonus/afterthought?! > > *this takes the Spotify version past the 80 minute mark, so it can't be on a single CD this way (2xLP could have all 18 tracks, for sure) > --------------------------------------------------------------- > General impressions: > > "Onward" comes across quite similarly to Blood Of The Earth. The sound of the album, variety of styles, production, new tunes, and PLETHORA of remakes (self-tributes?) are all retained. Inside "Onward" is a really good 40-minute album of new material. And then there is the other 40 minutes of stuff that would have been better suited to putting on a second CD for a ltd ed. release for fans. Like Blood of the Earth was on 2 CDs (at least my box version...can't remember what the one CD version was like). > > The Scorpions just released a "new" CD that was all covers, many of which were remakes of their own songs, mostly the 80s stuff that all sounded like crap because of horrible 80s production. Miserable gated drums again. So I can understand why a band would do such a thing, esp. a band that is now effectively retired and won't have the chance to 'repair' that material again. HW could do that with Black Sword (which I think sounds fucking terrible in 2012) - same with Xenon Codex. Maybe the Atomhenge versions (which I haven't heard) address some of the problems of the mid-80s studio abuses, I dunno. But reimagining that mat'l today might be a better idea than some of the songs that they *are* choosing to rehash. Though I don't really like the songs of Black Sword much to begin with (1000 Tears was the best, and the 6/8 bit of Elric was decent enough). And the whole thing was a bit hokey, and probably belongs best left in its own time. But I digress. > > Anyway, Onward has some really interesting bits on it that lead me to believe that the band is hardly on its last legs. Which is fucking amazing, because I remember boc-l in the year 1994, when the half the discussion here (and there was a LOT more discussion) was how the next Hawkwind tour was likely to be the last, since Dave was probably going to retire. Which is why I went to seven gigs in 10 days back in 1995, because I was certain I would *NEVER* see the band live again after that. And it is SEVENTEEN years later now, and here we are with a brand new album. And it isn't terrible! :) And with the exception of one track (3), it all sounds like Hawkwind. > > There's new blood in the band (again), making major contributions. Though I have to say...I can't really hear much of any "voice" appearing on this album from Niall. For all I can tell, he could just as easily not be on it at all. I don't have any liner notes to look at, so I can't listen for him on certain tracks or know who wrote what. But that seems odd to me. There's plenty of nice guitar work on here too BTW, for those of you who also remember the years-long boc-l "whinging" spree on TOO LITTLE GUITAR FROM DAVE! You'll be pleased I think...he's hardly sitting this one out. > > I'm interested to see what new tracks will appear live this spring/summer on stage. There are a couple here that would make good ones. I hope they choose wisely. And hope of course, that maybe they'll return to the states again one day, as I am not European-based anymore. :( > > That's all for now...perhaps this will turn into a formal review soon, but probably not since I'm too goddamn lazy. > > Keith > > ObFreeCD-EP: Cayetana (Budapest) - Vulpecula (2010) > http://www.last.fm/music/cayetana/Vulpecula+EP > Like Korai Orom, but perhaps even better! Get the two live tracks at Last.fm too. > > NP: Hills (Sweden) - Master Sleeps ('11) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon May 14 15:40:54 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:40:54 -0400 Subject: The Future Sound of London? In-Reply-To: <9E43A5604D6841818A6723D01BA7A65A@Magdallen> Message-ID: right, Iwouldn't trust anyone with that much sonic power, unless maybe we could hijack it and send out positive musical vibes of Hawkwind and other space rock bands to heal the Earth. Thanks, Jill, for the info. Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've disappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be impossible. Love to all, Kaduflyer -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:52 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: The Future Sound of London? 'An MoD spokesman said it would be used "primarily in the loud hailer mode"' It's not Michael Moorcock is it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "strobridge jill" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: The Future Sound of London? > Do Not Panic > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18042528 > > jill From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon May 14 16:29:47 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:29:47 -0500 Subject: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London? Message-ID: On 5/14/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: >> Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've > disappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be > impossible. > Love to all, > > Kaduflyer No I just figured Tim sees me as a major threat :) :) if you failed to try the caramel-pretzel Klondikes you have my pity. Unbelieveably I did, when they were closed out, and they were superb. I had expected possible nausia. Now if you'll excuse me I have to return to my German studies From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon May 14 17:07:33 2012 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:07:33 -0500 Subject: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hopefully the full absurdity of my comment about Tim will remain private. The new hawkwind album "smokes" in my opinion. My standards are not high, but it topped all expectations for the most part. me and the "boyngel" send our light. I sure hope there is a white brotherhood creeping up with tactical precision. On 5/14/12, mike c wrote: > On 5/14/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: >>> Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've >> disappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be >> impossible. >> Love to all, >> >> Kaduflyer > > No I just figured Tim sees me as a major threat :) :) > if you failed to try the caramel-pretzel Klondikes you have my pity. > Unbelieveably I did, when they were closed out, and they were superb. > I had expected possible nausia. > Now if you'll excuse me I have to return to my German studies > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon May 14 17:20:07 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:20:07 -0400 Subject: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, Mike, I don't like either Arin, but I do eat the peanut butter bars, occasionally. You're no threat to Tim, and of course he knows it, after all, you're way down there in Texas, besides, we're all cool. Good luck in your endeavors with your" German studies," Love ya, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:30 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London? On 5/14/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: >> Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've > disappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be > impossible. > Love to all, > > Kaduflyer No I just figured Tim sees me as a major threat :) :) if you failed to try the caramel-pretzel Klondikes you have my pity. Unbelieveably I did, when they were closed out, and they were superb. I had expected possible nausia. Now if you'll excuse me I have to return to my German studies From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon May 14 17:26:57 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London?for Mike C. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He's shaking in his shoes, and has the shotgun ready for when you bring your Texan ass through the door. Thanks for the review, will be getting my copy soon, checking out the local stores before going on line. Stay in touch, -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 5:08 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Re(OFF OFF OFF): The Future Sound of London? hopefully the full absurdity of my comment about Tim will remain private. The new hawkwind album "smokes" in my opinion. My standards are not high, but it topped all expectations for the most part. me and the "boyngel" send our light. I sure hope there is a white brotherhood creeping up with tactical precision. On 5/14/12, mike c wrote: > On 5/14/12, mary ann sullivan wrote: >>> Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've >> disappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be >> impossible. >> Love to all, >> >> Kaduflyer > > No I just figured Tim sees me as a major threat :) :) if you failed to > try the caramel-pretzel Klondikes you have my pity. > Unbelieveably I did, when they were closed out, and they were superb. > I had expected possible nausia. > Now if you'll excuse me I have to return to my German studies > From stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon May 14 16:13:04 2012 From: stewartbas at AOL.COM (stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:13:04 -0400 Subject: The Future Sound of London? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and i have not forgotten mare,tim kosh,Mike and bun bun;))) bill s -----Original Message----- From: mary ann sullivan To: BOC-L Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 3:41 pm Subject: Re: The Future Sound of London? right, Iwouldn't trust anyone with that much sonic power, unless maybe we ould hijack it and send out positive musical vibes of Hawkwind and other pace rock bands to heal the Earth. Thanks, Jill, for the info. Best wishes to all, especially to Mike C. who probably thinks I've isappeared, I've certainly not forgotten you, Mike. That would be mpossible. ove to all, Kaduflyer ----Original Message----- rom: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On ehalf Of Lucidsounds ent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:52 PM o: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET ubject: Re: The Future Sound of London? 'An MoD spokesman said it would be used "primarily in the loud hailer mode"' It's not Michael Moorcock is it? ---- Original Message ----- rom: "strobridge jill" o: ent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:15 PM ubject: The Future Sound of London? Do Not Panic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18042528 jill From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Tue May 15 05:55:23 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:55:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Onward In-Reply-To: <1336798148.88988.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/05/2012 05:49, Keith Henderson wrote: > 7. The Prophecy (4:14) > A Brock tune, a bit of a demo-y feel to the recording, although the mix is decent enough. Sounds like he's plagiarizing his own tune "Where Are They Now?" a bit. Very much in the vein of "Infinity" and "Where Are They Now?" I suspect this one will grow on me a great deal. > Like Blood of the Earth was on 2 CDs (at least my box version...can't remember what the one CD version was like). > > The Scorpions just released a "new" CD that was all covers, many of which were remakes of their own songs, mostly the 80s stuff that all > sounded like crap because of horrible 80s production. Miserable gated drums again. So I can understand why a band would do such a thing, > esp. a band that is now effectively retired and won't have the chance to 'repair' that material again. HW could do that with Black Sword > (which I think sounds fucking terrible in 2012) - same with Xenon Codex. Yes, I'd love to hear "The War I survived", "Lost Chronicles" and "Sword of The East" with Richard doing non-eighties drums. As I've mentioned before, transferring the "Space is Their Palestine" insert from Hassan to Sword of The East would go very well. Dunno about redoing Black Sword, though I agree the robot drums make it fairly hard to listen to these days. Elric The Enchanter is possibly the one I'd choose to try a do-over. Still listening to Onward and too early to report my overall impressions... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu May 17 19:35:42 2012 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:35:42 -0400 Subject: the message from my nephew Message-ID: I didn't proofread the posting and thanks to Mike I found out It didn't get attached. Actually it was invisible and you all missed it. For those who need to see it, here you go, I hope those who haven't seen it enjoy, it's silly. Mary http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/what-your-favorite-classic-rock-band-says -about-you From martyn_white_2003 at YAHOO.COM Sat May 19 22:16:31 2012 From: martyn_white_2003 at YAHOO.COM (martyn white) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 19:16:31 -0700 Subject: BOC:/totally inappropriate Message-ID: Songs like this is why I stay on the list!?? Sorry :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpy_pYXSpPA From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Thu May 24 08:11:22 2012 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:11:22 +0100 Subject: Who's going to Off The Tracks? Message-ID: Anyone? We should be down there by tomorrow night. Come and look for a gazebo with loads of fairy lights under a Chinese Lantern flag. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu May 31 04:45:27 2012 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 04:45:27 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MAY 31, 2012: NEW LO FINEST SHOW I've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #284). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #284) Vespero ? ?Angriff, ran, versenken!? (from Subkraut: U-Boats Willkommen Hier) Farflung ? ?No Circuit? (from Farflung/Black Rainbows split CD) Hidria Spacefolk ? ?Cycloop 2012 single? (from digital single and forthcoming new album) Sendelica ? ?Satori Pt II? (from The Satori in Elegance of the Majectic Stonegazer) Jay Tausig ? ?Betwixt the Fish and the Bull? (from Aries The Fire Within) Aural Innovations ID (by Stone Premonitions) Jay Tausig ? ?Surrounded By The Stars? (from Head Music) Palace Of Swords ? ?The Black Lodge Will Rise Again? (from II) Palace Of Swords ? ?Lila Engel? (from Head Music) Census of Hallucinations ? ?Dragonian Days? (from Dragonian Days) Ohead ? ?Alluvial Morte? (from Visitor) Reanimation ? ?That Is All? (from Giants Hide Among Us) Aural Innovations ID (by Stone Premonitions) Blue Sausage Infant ? ?Catoctin? (from Manitou) Chatham Rise ? ?Gone? (from 7? single forthcoming new album) Sound Of Ground ? ?You Can?t Stop Our Ship? (from Sky Colored Green) Gi?bia - "Beyond The Stars" (from Beyond The Stars) http://Aural-Innovations.com