From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Mar 1 04:17:48 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 04:17:48 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions Radio Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 1, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Astral Visions Radio (show #13). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Astral Visions Radio (show #13) Astral Visions Radio Show - Music from Psychotropic Zone, is hosted by DJ Astro Anton Barbeau - "Psychedelic Mynde of Moses" (from Psychedelic Mynde of Moses) Baby Woodrose - "Spinning Wheels of Fire" (from Mindblowing Seeds and Disconnected Flowers) Mamuthones - "Kash-O-Kashak" (from S/T) Kospel Zeithorn - "Ukaasi" (from Luikertelija) Dragontears (Baby Woodrose) ? ?Electric Kn?del Soup" (from Unreleased Rarities Volume 3) The Fuzztones - "My Black Cloud" (from Preaching To The Perverted) Louis Davey - "Subconscious" (from Last Chance of a Lifetime) Nog Cavanagh - "King Arachna" (from Sombre Castles of Desire) Mugstar - "Sunburnt Impedance Machine" (from Lime) Earthmonkey - "Sister Marble Gazer" (from Be That Charge) Vitkaste - "Osa 3" (from Lestinjoki) The Grand Astoria - "Doomsday Party" (from Omnipresence) The Atomic Bitchwax - "The Local Fuzz (Edit)" (from forthcoming album The Local Fuzz) 35007 - "Voyage Automatique" (from Liquid) Nick Riff - "Where Are We Now" (from The Universe Is Mental) http://Aural-Innovations.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 2 09:53:38 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:53:38 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) Message-ID: I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on side 2 only. madness is taking prisoners. be careful to look at the destination if responding here. Mike From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 3 06:47:33 2011 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:47:33 +0000 Subject: newly uploaded live tunes from Mike Burro & Friends ( Country Lakes Pub 2/19/11 Message-ID: lots of live tunes from our recent show at: http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk lineup was: Mike Burro ( guitar, vocals ) , Stewkey ( vocals, harp, cowbell ), Jeff Berry ( bass ), Russ T. Blades ( drums ), Scott Stuart ( electric guitar ), Maria Stella ( vocals, percussion ) From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Mar 3 16:04:17 2011 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:04:17 -0800 Subject: Farflung/Hawkwind name-dropped by Henry Rollins Message-ID: http://www.spin.com/articles/playlist-henry-rollins-5-favorite-bands?utm_source=SPIN%2BMedia&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03032011 Think I've seen mention of Farflung here before. Hank approves... From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 16:47:36 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:47:36 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? Message-ID: When is Motorhead scheduled to play Charlie's "porn room" I would think having this along with a load a sexpots in bobbysox swingin' along and the entire gang visible with malts and burgers in place of drink and drug could really help what looks to me like a very tainted edge. If my own past could be any indication, I'd say when you start theatening to remove the head of anyone that is family or close relations you have a serious problem that will take a lot more sobriety and therapy to learn to redirect onto those you do not know and are NOT family. Can't a U.A. analysis be fudged if you make his kinda millions?? excuse this burp if it needs excusing, I am bored at this hour. I From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Mar 5 19:35:48 2011 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:35:48 EST Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? Message-ID: What a coincidence, me and Maggie were just commiserating on the similarities between you and Martin Sheen. I hear the porno star just left....maybe it's time for you to visit the animal shelter...move over bun bun, we got a third....meow Leave Kosh outta this, you pervert. bill s In a message dated 3/5/2011 4:48:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: When is Motorhead scheduled to play Charlie's "porn room" I would think having this along with a load a sexpots in bobbysox swingin' along and the entire gang visible with malts and burgers in place of drink and drug could really help what looks to me like a very tainted edge. If my own past could be any indication, I'd say when you start theatening to remove the head of anyone that is family or close relations you have a serious problem that will take a lot more sobriety and therapy to learn to redirect onto those you do not know and are NOT family. Can't a U.A. analysis be fudged if you make his kinda millions?? excuse this burp if it needs excusing, I am bored at this hour. I From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Mar 5 19:57:45 2011 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 01:57:45 +0100 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:53 2011-03-02, you wrote: >I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on >side 2 only. >madness is taking prisoners. >be careful to look at the destination if responding here. >Mike Well, shouldn't it be a special forum for geek investigations like this? I found out today I've got a variation on the Dave Brock "Earthed to the Ground & the Agent of Chaos" 2CD. No double hawk on back/down left corner, and 2nd CD is blank when it should've been a pic disc. Also recently realised there is two different Swedish labels for the 1977 Masters of the Universe vinyl. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 22:12:14 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 21:12:14 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: <201103060057.p260vo8Q006138@sputnik.bktv.se> Message-ID: AWESOME!!! I figure you guys wouldn't mind that, since it was slow, and you didn't gang up to have me kicked off!! (yet) Can't wait to share your info and will report the devastation if any. Also, a new friend Jason started the SRTrading forum (which also means you can sell and I didn't know), he claims he's coming here tomorrow!!! On 3/5/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 15:53 2011-03-02, you wrote: >>I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on >>side 2 only. >>madness is taking prisoners. >>be careful to look at the destination if responding here. >>Mike > > Well, > shouldn't it be a special forum for geek investigations like this? > > I found out today I've got a variation on the Dave Brock "Earthed to > the Ground & the Agent of Chaos" 2CD. No double hawk on back/down > left corner, and 2nd CD is blank when it should've been a pic disc. > > Also recently realised there is two different Swedish labels for the > 1977 Masters of the Universe vinyl. > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 22:14:00 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 21:14:00 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh and there was, Opa-Loka, which AFAIK is floating in dead Yahoo Space- Wilfried ran it for a while while I was seeking death, but now it looks like Jason's forum could be good for this On 3/5/11, mike coleman wrote: > AWESOME!!! > I figure you guys wouldn't mind that, since it was slow, and you > didn't gang up to have me kicked off!! (yet) > Can't wait to share your info and will report the devastation if any. > Also, a new friend Jason started the SRTrading forum (which also means > you can sell and I didn't know), he claims he's coming here > tomorrow!!! > > > On 3/5/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >> At 15:53 2011-03-02, you wrote: >>>I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on >>>side 2 only. >>>madness is taking prisoners. >>>be careful to look at the destination if responding here. >>>Mike >> >> Well, >> shouldn't it be a special forum for geek investigations like this? >> >> I found out today I've got a variation on the Dave Brock "Earthed to >> the Ground & the Agent of Chaos" 2CD. No double hawk on back/down >> left corner, and 2nd CD is blank when it should've been a pic disc. >> >> Also recently realised there is two different Swedish labels for the >> 1977 Masters of the Universe vinyl. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 22:17:26 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:17:26 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? In-Reply-To: <88432.36654b2a.3aa430e4@aol.com> Message-ID: Martin?? You will pay he's gone gray I am VERY creative and never forget a payback. Unless you just mean in the "concerned wise old council sense" I mean Charlie's 7 months younger, just a babe On 3/5/11, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > What a coincidence, me and Maggie were just commiserating on the > similarities between you and Martin Sheen. I hear the porno star just > left....maybe > it's time for you to visit the animal shelter...move over bun bun, we got > a third....meow > Leave Kosh outta this, you pervert. > > bill s > > > In a message dated 3/5/2011 4:48:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: > > When is Motorhead scheduled to play Charlie's "porn room" > I would think having this along with a load a sexpots in bobbysox > swingin' along and the entire gang visible with malts and burgers in > place of drink and drug could really help what looks to me like a very > tainted edge. > If my own past could be any indication, I'd say when you start > theatening to remove the head of anyone that is family or close > relations you have a serious problem that will take a lot more > sobriety and therapy to learn to redirect onto those you do not know > and are NOT family. > Can't a U.A. analysis be fudged if you make his kinda millions?? > excuse this burp if it needs excusing, I am bored at this hour. > I > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 22:43:50 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 21:43:50 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. sorry, when he delurks if he comes here he goes by Jamun. SHHHHHH thanks On 3/5/11, mike coleman wrote: > Oh and there was, Opa-Loka, which AFAIK is floating in dead Yahoo Space- > Wilfried ran it for a while while I was seeking death, but now it > looks like Jason's forum could be good for this > > On 3/5/11, mike coleman wrote: >> AWESOME!!! >> I figure you guys wouldn't mind that, since it was slow, and you >> didn't gang up to have me kicked off!! (yet) >> Can't wait to share your info and will report the devastation if any. >> Also, a new friend Jason started the SRTrading forum (which also means >> you can sell and I didn't know), he claims he's coming here >> tomorrow!!! >> >> >> On 3/5/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >>> At 15:53 2011-03-02, you wrote: >>>>I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on >>>>side 2 only. >>>>madness is taking prisoners. >>>>be careful to look at the destination if responding here. >>>>Mike >>> >>> Well, >>> shouldn't it be a special forum for geek investigations like this? >>> >>> I found out today I've got a variation on the Dave Brock "Earthed to >>> the Ground & the Agent of Chaos" 2CD. No double hawk on back/down >>> left corner, and 2nd CD is blank when it should've been a pic disc. >>> >>> Also recently realised there is two different Swedish labels for the >>> 1977 Masters of the Universe vinyl. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >> > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 6 07:04:42 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:04:42 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 6, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #30). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Space Does Not Care (show #30) Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. SULA BASSANA - "Thora" (from Kosmonauts - Sulatron) CHUCK SPEAKS OMENOPUS - "These Are My Thoughts" (from Time Flies - Monty Maggot) SCREEN VINYL IMAGE - "New Visions " (from Ice Station EP - Fan Death) PSYCHIC ILLS - "Inauration" (from Dins - Social Registry) HELIOS CREED - "Your Spaceman" (from 7"/Rarities) MUGSTAR - "Born to Go" (from V/A In Search of Hawkwind - Critical Mass) SQUAREPUSHER - "Eviscerate" (from Burning'n' Tree - Warp) CIRCLE - "Kuukaarme" (from Hissi - Metamorphos) CHUCK SPEAKS KELSON DURIAN - Tracks 1 & 5 (from Black Shudders EP - Grotto Mimosa) SPEAKER/CRANKER - "I Got Yer Head " (from V/A Hall of Mirrors - Emperor Jones) BRANT BJORK - "Cop Mustache" (from V/A You've Got Your Orders Vol. 2 - Chrome Peeler) ASSEMBLE HEAD IN SUNBURST SOUND - "Two Birds" (from When Sweet Sleep Returned - Tee Pee) COLOSSAL YES - "The Honey Creeper Smiles" (from V/A Bread, Beard and Bear's Prayers - Bastet) CHARALAMBIDES - "Dormant Love" (from A Vintage Burden - Kranky) IAMIS - "I'm Out By the Pool pt. 1/This Life/Dusty Coasts/I'm Out By the Pool pt. 2" (from Trance Inducer) CHUCK SPEAKS FLOATING FLOWER - "Johsho Kiryu" (from 1st/2nd - Black Plastic Sound) AMON DUUL II - "Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse" (from Wolf City - Repertoire) MOODRING - "The Weasel" (from Scared of Ferret - Silber) HAWKWIND - "You Know You're Only Dreaming" (from In Search of Space) CARLTON MELTON - "Sequoia" pt. 2 (from Pass It On... - Agitated) OUTRAGEOUS CHERRY - "Misty Mountain" (from V/A Electronic Evocations - A Tribute to the Silver Apples) CHUCK SPEAKS THIRD EAR BAND - "Third Ear Raga" (from Hymn To the Sphynx - Mooncrest) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Sun Mar 6 12:16:14 2011 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:16:14 EST Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) Message-ID: Y'know, while labels are topic de jour, there's always that UK first lp with a diffferent version of the black label on either side....................................... sorry Mike ;-) In a message dated 06/03/2011 03:44:28 GMT Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: Oops. sorry, when he delurks if he comes here he goes by Jamun. SHHHHHH thanks On 3/5/11, mike coleman wrote: > Oh and there was, Opa-Loka, which AFAIK is floating in dead Yahoo Space- > Wilfried ran it for a while while I was seeking death, but now it > looks like Jason's forum could be good for this > > On 3/5/11, mike coleman wrote: >> AWESOME!!! >> I figure you guys wouldn't mind that, since it was slow, and you >> didn't gang up to have me kicked off!! (yet) >> Can't wait to share your info and will report the devastation if any. >> Also, a new friend Jason started the SRTrading forum (which also means >> you can sell and I didn't know), he claims he's coming here >> tomorrow!!! >> >> >> On 3/5/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >>> At 15:53 2011-03-02, you wrote: >>>>I have just checked mine AGAIN, and mine has th short copyright on >>>>side 2 only. >>>>madness is taking prisoners. >>>>be careful to look at the destination if responding here. >>>>Mike >>> >>> Well, >>> shouldn't it be a special forum for geek investigations like this? >>> >>> I found out today I've got a variation on the Dave Brock "Earthed to >>> the Ground & the Agent of Chaos" 2CD. No double hawk on back/down >>> left corner, and 2nd CD is blank when it should've been a pic disc. >>> >>> Also recently realised there is two different Swedish labels for the >>> 1977 Masters of the Universe vinyl. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 6 14:21:22 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:21:22 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/6/11, Martin Hutchby wrote: > Y'know, while labels are topic de jour, there's always that UK first lp > with a diffferent version of the black label on either > side....................................... > sorry Mike ;-) I can't see these very well, but the one with credits behind the tracks is the rare one right? http://home.clara.net/adawson/albums/labels/lbs83348.html As long as I've got my red label I feel healthy enough and you know there are 3 Canterbury Cds....One of them is like Johan's DB set. Can't remember weather Huw is on or off the credits with that one. I really need to get just one soonish. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 6 14:29:28 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:29:28 -0600 Subject: Sun and Clouds Space Ritual (attn Wilfried) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh my bad, one of the Canterburys has both discs MAUVE. On 3/6/11, mike coleman wrote: > On 3/6/11, Martin Hutchby wrote: >> Y'know, while labels are topic de jour, there's always that UK first lp >> with a diffferent version of the black label on either >> side....................................... >> sorry Mike ;-) > > I can't see these very well, but the one with credits behind the > tracks is the rare one right? > http://home.clara.net/adawson/albums/labels/lbs83348.html > As long as I've got my red label I feel healthy enough and you know > there are 3 Canterbury Cds....One of them is like Johan's DB set. > Can't remember weather Huw is on or off the credits with that one. > I really need to get just one soonish. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 6 14:58:55 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:58:55 -0600 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery Message-ID: Please show off your stuff here. I know he likes that. Sell your stuff here, Trade your stuff here. As long as it's Space Rock or close. The poor guy asked for people to contribute on the Yahoo forum a couple days ago, but put my item in everyone's face. That was his first posting there, I think,,,,hehehehe Once again http://www.spacerocktrading.com/search.php?search_id=newposts From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 6 19:34:43 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:34:43 +0800 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That looks interesting-- HP Lovecraft too. *Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! * * * On 7 March 2011 03:58, mike coleman wrote: > Please show off your stuff here. I know he likes that. Sell your stuff > here, Trade your stuff here. As long as it's Space Rock or close. > The poor guy asked for people to contribute on the Yahoo forum a > couple days ago, but put my item in everyone's face. That was his > first posting there, I think,,,,hehehehe > Once again > http://www.spacerocktrading.com/search.php?search_id=newposts > From john.majka at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 6 19:53:24 2011 From: john.majka at GMAIL.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:53:24 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery Message-ID: Hmmm.... he's apparently into all those Durtro/Ghost Story Press books too... I have a massive Arkham House collection and yearn for those GSP books.... John Majka ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery > Please show off your stuff here. I know he likes that. Sell your stuff > here, Trade your stuff here. As long as it's Space Rock or close. > The poor guy asked for people to contribute on the Yahoo forum a > couple days ago, but put my item in everyone's face. That was his > first posting there, I think,,,,hehehehe > Once again > http://www.spacerocktrading.com/search.php?search_id=newposts > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 7 00:03:27 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:03:27 +0800 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery In-Reply-To: <595CC7B4CB624B21918764EEF69EF709@MAJKA> Message-ID: I can't even imagine owning Arkham House books! I used to dream of doing so when I was younger. On 7 March 2011 08:53, John Majka wrote: > Hmmm.... he's apparently into all those Durtro/Ghost Story Press books > too... I have a massive Arkham House collection and yearn for those GSP > books.... > John Majka > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:58 PM > Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery > > > > Please show off your stuff here. I know he likes that. Sell your stuff >> here, Trade your stuff here. As long as it's Space Rock or close. >> The poor guy asked for people to contribute on the Yahoo forum a >> couple days ago, but put my item in everyone's face. That was his >> first posting there, I think,,,,hehehehe >> Once again >> http://www.spacerocktrading.com/search.php?search_id=newposts >> >> From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 7 08:48:57 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:48:57 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I can't even imagine owning Arkham House books! I used to dream of doing so > when I was younger. Oddly enough, I amassed my entire Arkham House library when I still lived in England, which is no mean feat considering they all had to be imported. Thankfully, I had a wonderful small press book dealer that had quite a knack when it came to obtaining such things. Cheers, Paul. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Mar 7 11:23:12 2011 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:23:12 -0800 Subject: Space Ritual live show reviewed... Message-ID: http://www.freqzine.net/reviews/live-reviews/space-ritual-live/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 7 21:03:30 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:03:30 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? In-Reply-To: <88432.36654b2a.3aa430e4@aol.com> Message-ID: On 3/5/11, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > What a coincidence, me and Maggie were just commiserating on the > similarities between you and Martin Sheen. I hear the porno star just > left....maybe > it's time for you to visit the animal shelter...move over bun bun, we got > a third....meow > Leave Kosh outta this, you pervert. > > bill s OHHHHHHH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_Stars I was really really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY bored but I remember..... thanks "fam" From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 11:27:15 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:27:15 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: Ah ha. I finally worked out how to join. Mike Coleman recommended this place to me. Mike has already posted a link to a new forum I created. www.spacerocktrading.com Just so you guys know what its about and dont freak out over the name trading. I created this because I wanted the admin on the Hawkwind forum to allow trading of Hawkwind rare stuff (vinyl, posters, cds etc etc) in a tread. He never did:) So I thought, I will create my own forum! Then I started to add some spacerock promotional links, then a place to show off your artifacts. Then being a poster collector, a tread on that. Then, because I am also into, Arkham House and Lovecraft a tread on that. Etc etc. So its abit of a miss mash at present. Any how, we have nearly 50......wow..........:) members. About me: I have seen Hawkwind in the 80&90's about 20 times. My first show was Levitation, Preston Guild Hall. And I have been hooked every since. I am trying to make a collection of Hawkwind vinyl in mint, which is not easy. I am English and currently live in Munich in Germany. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Mar 8 12:03:00 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:03:00 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey guys, what's up. Sorry I've been scarce. We're doing well. I think you should leave Kosh out of your schemes, he's used to being an only. Lots of love to Mike, Bun, Bill, Bev, and Maggie Mary Tim, and of course, Mr. K. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:04 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? On 3/5/11, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > What a coincidence, me and Maggie were just commiserating on the > similarities between you and Martin Sheen. I hear the porno star just > left....maybe it's time for you to visit the animal shelter...move > over bun bun, we got a third....meow Leave Kosh outta this, you > pervert. > > bill s OHHHHHHH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_Stars I was really really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY bored but I remember..... thanks "fam" From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 12:08:56 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:08:56 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling for you. God only knows how long it took me in whatever year it was I first came here. Thank god I remembered in 2007. Had it been someone else, I likely would have offered a "slight warning" that this forum is the "technical shit". But in your case I thought you might consider it insulting and anything I can do to keep you in good form. Also, reemmber that this place goes back to 1990 or so, and some of the kinfolk have never been on a big ol' jet-airliner, therefore, mostly this IS the Hawkwind forum as always it has been. They may challenge you a bit, you could get hazed or studied from a distance with funny glances cast, and pointing fingers that you can't see but sense...... anyway,,,do your stuff ps- If you ask nicely, Albert Bouchard may help you in the percussion realm....if ever that flares up (again) On 3/8/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Ah ha. I finally worked out how to join. Mike Coleman recommended this place > to me. > > Mike has already posted a link to a new forum I created. > > www.spacerocktrading.com > > Just so you guys know what its about and dont freak out over the name > trading. > I created this because I wanted the admin on the Hawkwind forum to allow > trading of Hawkwind rare stuff (vinyl, posters, cds etc etc) in a tread. He > never did:) So I thought, I will create my own forum! Then I started to add > some spacerock promotional links, then a place to show off your artifacts. > Then being a poster collector, a tread on that. Then, because I am also > into, Arkham House and Lovecraft a tread on that. Etc etc. So its abit of a > miss mash at present. > > Any how, we have nearly 50......wow..........:) members. > > About me: I have seen Hawkwind in the 80&90's about 20 times. My first show > was Levitation, Preston Guild Hall. And I have been hooked every since. I am > trying to make a collection of Hawkwind vinyl in mint, which is not easy. I > am English and currently live in Munich in Germany. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 12:16:00 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:16:00 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? In-Reply-To: <3FBD206130524ACCB3F68A63B1536BD7@feeleyq0nl12xq> Message-ID: I'm busy at work on the MANIMAL shelter as you read!!! Fat Bunny sends his back On 3/8/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > Hey guys, what's up. Sorry I've been scarce. We're doing well. I think > you should leave Kosh out of your schemes, he's used to being an only. Lots > of love to Mike, Bun, Bill, Bev, and Maggie > > Mary Tim, and of course, Mr. K. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:04 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: (OFF) Charlie Sheen winning?? Lion's Blood?? > > On 3/5/11, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: >> What a coincidence, me and Maggie were just commiserating on the >> similarities between you and Martin Sheen. I hear the porno star just >> left....maybe it's time for you to visit the animal shelter...move >> over bun bun, we got a third....meow Leave Kosh outta this, you >> pervert. >> >> bill s > > OHHHHHHH > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_Stars > I was really really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY > bored but I remember..... > thanks "fam" > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Mar 8 12:55:40 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:55:40 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling for you. "That's not very nice, I do hope you feel better. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling for you. God only knows how long it took me in whatever year it was I first came here. Thank god I remembered in 2007. Had it been someone else, I likely would have offered a "slight warning" that this forum is the "technical shit". But in your case I thought you might consider it insulting and anything I can do to keep you in good form. Also, reemmber that this place goes back to 1990 or so, and some of the kinfolk have never been on a big ol' jet-airliner, therefore, mostly this IS the Hawkwind forum as always it has been. They may challenge you a bit, you could get hazed or studied from a distance with funny glances cast, and pointing fingers that you can't see but sense...... anyway,,,do your stuff ps- If you ask nicely, Albert Bouchard may help you in the percussion realm....if ever that flares up (again) On 3/8/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Ah ha. I finally worked out how to join. Mike Coleman recommended this > place to me. > > Mike has already posted a link to a new forum I created. > > www.spacerocktrading.com > > Just so you guys know what its about and dont freak out over the name > trading. > I created this because I wanted the admin on the Hawkwind forum to > allow trading of Hawkwind rare stuff (vinyl, posters, cds etc etc) in > a tread. He never did:) So I thought, I will create my own forum! Then > I started to add some spacerock promotional links, then a place to show off your artifacts. > Then being a poster collector, a tread on that. Then, because I am > also into, Arkham House and Lovecraft a tread on that. Etc etc. So its > abit of a miss mash at present. > > Any how, we have nearly 50......wow..........:) members. > > About me: I have seen Hawkwind in the 80&90's about 20 times. My first > show was Levitation, Preston Guild Hall. And I have been hooked every > since. I am trying to make a collection of Hawkwind vinyl in mint, > which is not easy. I am English and currently live in Munich in Germany. > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Mar 8 14:22:38 2011 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:22:38 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Welcome! Ah although the listing you had for the Dojo Warrior CD was incorrect there was another official CD release of Warrior from Griffin, which is far superior being taken from master tapes rather than vinyl like the Dojo version. :-) Of course it has no green hairs on the cover ;-) either which might reduce the value. Sorry I couldn't resist Rich On 3/8/2011 10:27 AM, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Ah ha. I finally worked out how to join. Mike Coleman recommended this place > to me. > > Mike has already posted a link to a new forum I created. > > www.spacerocktrading.com > > Just so you guys know what its about and dont freak out over the name trading. > I created this because I wanted the admin on the Hawkwind forum to allow > trading of Hawkwind rare stuff (vinyl, posters, cds etc etc) in a tread. He > never did:) So I thought, I will create my own forum! Then I started to add > some spacerock promotional links, then a place to show off your artifacts. > Then being a poster collector, a tread on that. Then, because I am also > into, Arkham House and Lovecraft a tread on that. Etc etc. So its abit of a > miss mash at present. > > Any how, we have nearly 50......wow..........:) members. > > About me: I have seen Hawkwind in the 80&90's about 20 times. My first show > was Levitation, Preston Guild Hall. And I have been hooked every since. I am > trying to make a collection of Hawkwind vinyl in mint, which is not easy. I > am English and currently live in Munich in Germany. > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 14:51:50 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:51:50 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: Hi, I cant see what was wrong with my Dojo listing. Any how not to quarrel. As far as I was aware, the Dojo release was 1982, whilst the Griffin release was 1983. I would thus state, that the Dojo was the first official CD release. Its like first edition books, the first is worth the bucks. The second is worthless. And the third, Rock City, you cant even give away. Regarding sound quality. I have all three, the Dojo IMO, like the vinyl is a nice sounding release. I would be splitting "green hairs" to tell the difference between that and the Griffin release. But then again I have some state of the art reference audio equipment to make such a comparison. Still I used the Dojo release as a promo for SRT. I basically gave it away, 20 euros including p&p to CCruiser. So he is a winner, since it cost me 10 euros to post to him in the Netherlands. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Mar 8 15:09:38 2011 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:09:38 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cool nice that you did that as a promo for the site. All the percussion sounded clearer, and better defined to me on the Griffin release. The Griffin version did come in that cool packaging with the book as well :-) Well hopefully soon we will all get lovely remastered copies from 'Atomhenge' if they can pull it off. Rich On 3/8/2011 1:51 PM, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Hi, > > I cant see what was wrong with my Dojo listing. Any how not to quarrel. As > far as I was aware, the Dojo release was 1982, whilst the Griffin release > was 1983. I would thus state, that the Dojo was the first official CD > release. Its like first edition books, the first is worth the bucks. The > second is worthless. And the third, Rock City, you cant even give away. > Regarding sound quality. I have all three, the Dojo IMO, like the vinyl is a > nice sounding release. I would be splitting "green hairs" to tell the > difference between that and the Griffin release. But then again I have some > state of the art reference audio equipment to make such a comparison. > > Still I used the Dojo release as a promo for SRT. I basically gave it away, > 20 euros including p&p to CCruiser. > > So he is a winner, since it cost me 10 euros to post to him in the Netherlands. > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 16:26:58 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:26:58 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: I had the griffin box self; well I must have!. I still have the box in a drawer; ripped and torn, and the "The Illustrated Guide To Hawkwind" book. But the CD is gone:( Actually I did make a mistake on SRT, by saying that the Dojo was the only official release. I guess the Griffin was also official. Clearly the Rock City is a bootleg (German!). But any how. I would hazard a guess regarding value (mint in box, etc). Dojo=50-70 Euro. Griffin=70-100 Euro. Rock City=10 Euro. I could be wrong, as value is all in the "eye of the beholder" etc. Also if Atomhenge do finally release Warrior, I will be in the queue to buy. I wasn't bothered about letting my Dojo go. I like the idea that the buyer mailed me and said that he listened to the album as a teenager and really wanted it. Also I don't really collect CD's preferring the Vinyl myself. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Mar 8 17:04:41 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:04:41 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jason "I wasn't bothered about letting my Dojo go, " , I wouldn't have been either considering the Griffin was so much better. I share your opinion on vinyl, however I don't currently have a working turntable, or space for my albums. We hope to resolve all that, as soon as possible. Mary I -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of BOC-L Jamun Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro I had the griffin box self; well I must have!. I still have the box in a drawer; ripped and torn, and the "The Illustrated Guide To Hawkwind" book. But the CD is gone:( Actually I did make a mistake on SRT, by saying that the Dojo was the only official release. I guess the Griffin was also official. Clearly the Rock City is a bootleg (German!). But any how. I would hazard a guess regarding value (mint in box, etc). Dojo=50-70 Euro. Griffin=70-100 Euro. Rock City=10 Euro. I could be wrong, as value is all in the "eye of the beholder" etc. Also if Atomhenge do finally release Warrior, I will be in the queue to buy. I wasn't bothered about letting my Dojo go. I like the idea that the buyer mailed me and said that he listened to the album as a teenager and really wanted it. Also I don't really collect CD's preferring the Vinyl myself. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 17:20:18 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:20:18 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey "Gang" looks like me and the Bun maybe should've waited on the nap?? First of all. regarding my comment about Jamun, I've never been about love and peace .... sorry!!! But seriously it was more a comment of "Oh good, Jamun had to work it, so I feel better" It wasn't pure evil,,,,,,Music friends donlt draw that out!!!!d d I reserve that for my "family" and "friends" Now, I breezed through the posts but here is my upchuck, which hopefully helps. some. In vinyl record circles, 1st pressings are generally most valuable, but I am not so sure in most CD situations. In fact, most CDs don't appreciate much period with obvious exceptions like HW Live 97, etc etc.... Looks like Jamun "fell victim" to an inside joke, and I am happy to announce that I have an AWESOME hairless Warrior. Later (another) seller advertised one as unplayed, but the jacket was my concern, and after a trillion times buying it and being crushed by the results, she's put up safe and she's gorgeous!!!! CREAKS when opened!!! this is a VINYL record, just to clarify Down to the CDs- Those were 90's issues, and the Dojo was the first, made from vinyl that a fan contributed. The Griffin was made from the USA Atco tapes and I would agree is superior, but likely also different because there is some kind of difference that I am still waiting for my "boss" to hopefully explain one day. There are at least timing differences. Now the clincher: I do not have any of the Rock Fever issues, I think this is what Jamun referred to, but I have recently found out that THOSE are made from the BRITISH MASTER TAPES. So if you donlt care that the band will disown you for buying one, and there is eternally no way to get that filth off your hands if you do, then you might want to sneak one. I kinda want one but have so far resisted and am waiting for the band to put a new one out. I would say "Griffin valuable, 'Dojo less", but both sides of the argument hold some water in my opinion and shoot, I am not the authority here!! that's what I have to say!!! On 3/8/11, BOC-L Jamun wrote: > I had the griffin box self; well I must have!. I still have the box in a > drawer; ripped and torn, and the "The Illustrated Guide To Hawkwind" book. > But the CD is gone:( Actually I did make a mistake on SRT, by saying that > the Dojo was the only official release. I guess the Griffin was also > official. Clearly the Rock City is a bootleg (German!). > > But any how. I would hazard a guess regarding value (mint in box, etc). > > Dojo=50-70 Euro. > Griffin=70-100 Euro. > Rock City=10 Euro. > > I could be wrong, as value is all in the "eye of the beholder" etc. > > Also if Atomhenge do finally release Warrior, I will be in the queue to buy. > > I wasn't bothered about letting my Dojo go. I like the idea that the buyer > mailed me and said that he listened to the album as a teenager and really > wanted it. > > Also I don't really collect CD's preferring the Vinyl myself. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 17:22:36 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:22:36 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: <0612D0FCCE294F64AAA3FC8635A5DFD4@feeleyq0nl12xq> Message-ID: On 3/8/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > "I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling for > you. "That's not very nice, I do hope you feel better. I do!! your next!! l From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 17:30:24 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:30:24 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I sure wish I had my Rock City to sell! : ) On 3/8/11, mike coleman wrote: > On 3/8/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: >> "I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling for >> you. "That's not very nice, I do hope you feel better. > I do!! > your next!! > l > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 17:43:41 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:41 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind hin du news Message-ID: Btw, since Mary slightly embarrased me, I know Jamun knows his computers. So I suppose my wording WAS wrong, although if it puzzdled him it could be considered "friendy private harmless payback" in a twisted way. I simply meant, "Oh good, even Jamun was puzzled" I've imported the article below for what I hope will be obvious http://www.hindustantimes.com/Lookin-for-a-new-cover/Article1-666862.aspx From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 17:46:05 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:46:05 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: The Rock Fever (not Rock City, sorry!) release is in front of me. The sleeve is pretty good as it has on the inner a portion of the inner sleeve from the vinyl inner. I have a rip of the Griffin and IMO, the Rock Fever is just a clone of Griffin with an extra, Kings of Speed live. Also interesting is that there is even a bootleg of the Rock Fever CD. On the back of the original bootleg Rock Fever CD it says "Rock Fever Music". On the bootleg of the bootleg it says "Rock Feber Music". I am convinced that the Bootleg Rock Fever is a bootleg, because, being in Germany I checked out the address, which is on the back of the CD and it resolves to nothing. Also the website www.rock-fever.de goes nowhere. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 17:58:51 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:58:51 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And I do believe this, but a fan on one of those other places few (true) men dare go, had a reason the Rock Fever does not match the Atco tapes..... shoot.....I am trying to recall...... But my intutition (a repeating theme with me), tells me YOU are going to be CORRECT, sir!!! When you speak of shit on top of shite, I hope you mean the Digipak version. I am so tempted to slip a sealed copy (if I could still get one), in with a sealed Atco LP to create one of my "sickening sweet overkill" "jobs" On 3/8/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > The Rock Fever (not Rock City, sorry!) release is in front of me. The sleeve > is pretty good as it has on the inner a portion of the inner sleeve from the > vinyl inner. I have a rip of the Griffin and IMO, the Rock Fever is just a > clone of Griffin with an extra, Kings of Speed live. Also interesting is > that there is even a bootleg of the Rock Fever CD. On the back of the > original bootleg Rock Fever CD it says "Rock Fever Music". On the bootleg of > the bootleg it says "Rock Feber Music". I am convinced that the Bootleg Rock > Fever is a bootleg, because, being in Germany I checked out the address, > which is on the back of the CD and it resolves to nothing. Also the website > www.rock-fever.de goes nowhere. > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 19:18:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:18:06 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: My Rock Fever is no digipack. Its just a plain old plastic CD release. Its cheapo. The printing on the CD is bad quality as is the sleeve. When I have time I will post it on SRT. AND:............................I am not convinced AT ALL about these master tapes that they exist in the vaults,, and that Griffin release, being off a master tape... And Atomhenge saying, the master tapes HAVE NOT been lost, because we have seen them. So where the F&CK are they?? Oh maybe its because Lemmy says, Warrior, piece of sh&t so I don't want it released, because Dave left me to hitch half way around the US etc etc. So if that's the case, why do the Dojo, the Griffin and the Rock Fever all IMO sound very very very similar. Trust me, my friend Professor_Y, who, I have said many times works for Intel, and I between him and myself, we have some serious audio equipment. We don't listen to CD off a player. We play the data through bespoke, Digital to Analogue converters. I have probably the worlds best headphones HD800's running out off this special equipment, as I cant see a huge difference between the releases. There are tonal changes, and you can here the vinyl crackle off the Dojo. BUT IMO, its utter Bull to say the Griffin is a mile better than anything. Thats boll&cks IMO. Any how, dude, hope your tooth is better. I am next in this queue. OH and the BIG deal is that its my Birthday today. I am 45! Mid life crisis is on me. From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 19:20:08 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:20:08 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery Message-ID: I have just posted a few more Durtro and a very special Arkham house. Poems in Prose, Clack Ashton Smith, 1965. Arkham House. 1016 copies. This copy is Mint, and is profusely annotated and corrected by August Derleth himself. This came from the publisher as a gratitude for website work I did for them many many years ago. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 19:26:23 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:26:23 +0800 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is quite something. On 9 March 2011 08:20, BOC-L Jamun wrote: > I have just posted a few more Durtro and a very special Arkham house. > > Poems in Prose, Clack Ashton Smith, 1965. Arkham House. 1016 copies. > > This copy is Mint, and is profusely annotated and corrected by August > Derleth himself. This came from the publisher as a gratitude for website > work I did for them many many years ago. > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 19:28:44 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:28:44 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind hin du news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Like everyone, Guardian has spent this week looking aghast at events in > Libya: the violence, the bloodshed ? and Gaddafi?s insistence that everyone > taking part in the demonstrations is on ?hallucination pills?, as if the > whole thing is being orchestrated by Hawkwind. > What can you say to that? On 9 March 2011 06:43, mike coleman wrote: > Btw, since Mary slightly embarrased me, I know Jamun knows his > computers. So I suppose my wording WAS wrong, although if it puzzdled > him it could be considered "friendy private harmless payback" in a > twisted way. I simply meant, "Oh good, even Jamun was puzzled" > I've imported the article below for what I hope will be obvious > http://www.hindustantimes.com/Lookin-for-a-new-cover/Article1-666862.aspx > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Mar 8 19:42:17 2011 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:42:17 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Griffin release was definitely from the Atco Masters. I spoke with Rob Godwin directly a few years ago. He told me the story of going to fetch the tapes from the original label archive where they were being held, among some other interesting stories that he imparted. Last I heard Rob still had the Masters, but that was several years ago. Next time I catch him at a convention somewhere I'll ask. Happy Birthday! On 3/8/2011 6:18 PM, BOC-L Jamun wrote: > My Rock Fever is no digipack. Its just a plain old plastic CD release. Its > cheapo. The printing on the CD is bad quality as is the sleeve. When I have > time I will post it on SRT. > > AND:............................I am not convinced AT ALL about these master > tapes that they exist in the vaults,, and that Griffin release, being off a > master tape... And Atomhenge saying, the master tapes HAVE NOT been lost, > because we have seen them. So where the F&CK are they?? Oh maybe its because > Lemmy says, Warrior, piece of sh&t so I don't want it released, because Dave > left me to hitch half way around the US etc etc. So if that's the case, why > do the Dojo, the Griffin and the Rock Fever all IMO sound very very very > similar. Trust me, my friend Professor_Y, who, I have said many times works > for Intel, and I between him and myself, we have some serious audio > equipment. We don't listen to CD off a player. We play the data through > bespoke, Digital to Analogue converters. I have probably the worlds best > headphones HD800's running out off this special equipment, as I cant see a > huge difference between the releases. There are tonal changes, and you can > here the vinyl crackle off the Dojo. BUT IMO, its utter Bull to say the > Griffin is a mile better than anything. Thats boll&cks IMO. > > Any how, dude, hope your tooth is better. I am next in this queue. > > OH and the BIG deal is that its my Birthday today. I am 45! Mid life crisis > is on me. > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 8 19:44:07 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:44:07 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery Message-ID: Hi Jonathan , I started collecting Arkham house about 20 years ago, when the prices where cheap. I also collect Durtro Press & Ghost Story Press, along with bits and pieces of the Call Of Cthulhu and various other RPGS. Then there is Hawkwind, Calvert, Giger, Robert Crumb and Posters. BTW, start posting on SRT....... From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 8 20:16:43 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:16:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com Message-ID: Apropos of (almost) nothing, I just want to simultaneously point folk towards a (relatively) new site for online music, artists and listeners, that (though it seems to be expanding) retains a preponderance of "UK independent" artists -- including innumerable members of the innumerable legion of ex- and occasional Hawkwinders (and friends -- and enemies -- and relations): http://www.soundawesome.com/ Natch, though I'm not really any of the above (maybe a friend, and, well, anyway, my "band" has only one less original member of Hawkwind than the current incarnation, and that ain't bad! ;)) mesself is there: http://Carl-Edlund-Anderson.soundawesome.com/ Admittedly, for those who have risked my up-to-now forays into making music, there's probably not too much new there from me (the ever-growing Luna still takes up a lot of time!) but hey: there's plenty from other artists. Ye list-members who are likewise music-makers might even want to register and upload yer stuff! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 20:28:23 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:28:23 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: <4D76CCE9.5040307@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dear all First of all, Rich is 100 percent correct I can't play my Dojo because it's sealed and Christian who has sadly "passed away" from this forum, got my minty. Anyway, that (CD) being a high-point for HW IMHO, I would think both are great for differing reasons. HOWEVER Most folks likely prefer a master tape version. The Griffin does use vinyl (I think) for the bonus tracks and you cannot hear the pops as you can on the Dojo. yet another plus I have to go to the hospital to beg for an oral surgery and so it is not fun. Sorry about your tooth and I just hit 46 been wondering your age On 3/8/11, Rich W wrote: > The Griffin release was definitely from the Atco Masters. I spoke with > Rob Godwin directly a few years ago. He told me the story of going to > fetch the tapes from the original label archive where they were being > held, among some other interesting stories that he imparted. Last I > heard Rob still had the Masters, but that was several years ago. Next > time I catch him at a convention somewhere I'll ask. > > > > > > Happy Birthday! > > On 3/8/2011 6:18 PM, BOC-L Jamun wrote: >> My Rock Fever is no digipack. Its just a plain old plastic CD release. Its >> cheapo. The printing on the CD is bad quality as is the sleeve. When I >> have >> time I will post it on SRT. >> >> AND:............................I am not convinced AT ALL about these >> master >> tapes that they exist in the vaults,, and that Griffin release, being off >> a >> master tape... And Atomhenge saying, the master tapes HAVE NOT been lost, >> because we have seen them. So where the F&CK are they?? Oh maybe its >> because >> Lemmy says, Warrior, piece of sh&t so I don't want it released, because >> Dave >> left me to hitch half way around the US etc etc. So if that's the case, >> why >> do the Dojo, the Griffin and the Rock Fever all IMO sound very very very >> similar. Trust me, my friend Professor_Y, who, I have said many times >> works >> for Intel, and I between him and myself, we have some serious audio >> equipment. We don't listen to CD off a player. We play the data through >> bespoke, Digital to Analogue converters. I have probably the worlds best >> headphones HD800's running out off this special equipment, as I cant see a >> huge difference between the releases. There are tonal changes, and you can >> here the vinyl crackle off the Dojo. BUT IMO, its utter Bull to say the >> Griffin is a mile better than anything. Thats boll&cks IMO. >> >> Any how, dude, hope your tooth is better. I am next in this queue. >> >> OH and the BIG deal is that its my Birthday today. I am 45! Mid life >> crisis >> is on me. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 20:30:58 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:30:58 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh , and, NOT seriously bragging I'm not cleared to talk about the master tapes. In fact, I can't recall if I know anything that I would need to be cleared about. HAPPY BIRTHDAY On 3/8/11, mike coleman wrote: > Dear all > First of all, Rich is 100 percent correct > I can't play my Dojo because it's sealed and Christian who has sadly > "passed away" from this forum, got my minty. > Anyway, that (CD) being a high-point for HW IMHO, I would think both > are great for differing reasons. HOWEVER > Most folks likely prefer a master tape version. The Griffin does use > vinyl (I think) for the bonus tracks and you cannot hear the pops as > you can on the Dojo. > yet another plus > I have to go to the hospital to beg for an oral surgery and so it is > not fun. Sorry about your tooth and I just hit 46 > been wondering your age > > On 3/8/11, Rich W wrote: >> The Griffin release was definitely from the Atco Masters. I spoke with >> Rob Godwin directly a few years ago. He told me the story of going to >> fetch the tapes from the original label archive where they were being >> held, among some other interesting stories that he imparted. Last I >> heard Rob still had the Masters, but that was several years ago. Next >> time I catch him at a convention somewhere I'll ask. >> >> >> >> >> >> Happy Birthday! >> >> On 3/8/2011 6:18 PM, BOC-L Jamun wrote: >>> My Rock Fever is no digipack. Its just a plain old plastic CD release. >>> Its >>> cheapo. The printing on the CD is bad quality as is the sleeve. When I >>> have >>> time I will post it on SRT. >>> >>> AND:............................I am not convinced AT ALL about these >>> master >>> tapes that they exist in the vaults,, and that Griffin release, being >>> off >>> a >>> master tape... And Atomhenge saying, the master tapes HAVE NOT been >>> lost, >>> because we have seen them. So where the F&CK are they?? Oh maybe its >>> because >>> Lemmy says, Warrior, piece of sh&t so I don't want it released, because >>> Dave >>> left me to hitch half way around the US etc etc. So if that's the case, >>> why >>> do the Dojo, the Griffin and the Rock Fever all IMO sound very very very >>> similar. Trust me, my friend Professor_Y, who, I have said many times >>> works >>> for Intel, and I between him and myself, we have some serious audio >>> equipment. We don't listen to CD off a player. We play the data through >>> bespoke, Digital to Analogue converters. I have probably the worlds best >>> headphones HD800's running out off this special equipment, as I cant see >>> a >>> huge difference between the releases. There are tonal changes, and you >>> can >>> here the vinyl crackle off the Dojo. BUT IMO, its utter Bull to say the >>> Griffin is a mile better than anything. Thats boll&cks IMO. >>> >>> Any how, dude, hope your tooth is better. I am next in this queue. >>> >>> OH and the BIG deal is that its my Birthday today. I am 45! Mid life >>> crisis >>> is on me. >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 20:35:00 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:35:00 -0600 Subject: Space Rock Kollekting Geekery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/8/11, BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Hi Jonathan , > > I started collecting Arkham house about 20 years ago, when the prices where > cheap. I also collect Durtro Press & Ghost Story Press, along with bits and > pieces of the Call Of Cthulhu and various other RPGS. Then there is > Hawkwind, Calvert, Giger, Robert Crumb and Posters. > > BTW, start posting on SRT....... Oh yeah, he's got attitude like me I'm busy hanging on my own thread : ) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 21:17:45 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:17:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: <7DC1A5B0-A7FB-4573-9890-8F4406EF5C51@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. I got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the closet to get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month ago. After sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it correct!!! I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant Bottoms"?? If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the flange-apex. I'll go back in for more soon. you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind CHEERS!!!! formed in 71!!!! On 3/8/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Apropos of (almost) nothing, I just want to simultaneously point folk > towards a (relatively) new site for online music, artists and listeners, > that (though it seems to be expanding) retains a preponderance of "UK > independent" artists -- including innumerable members of the innumerable > legion of ex- and occasional Hawkwinders (and friends -- and enemies -- and > relations): > > http://www.soundawesome.com/ > > Natch, though I'm not really any of the above (maybe a friend, and, well, > anyway, my "band" has only one less original member of Hawkwind than the > current incarnation, and that ain't bad! ;)) mesself is there: > > http://Carl-Edlund-Anderson.soundawesome.com/ > > Admittedly, for those who have risked my up-to-now forays into making music, > there's probably not too much new there from me (the ever-growing Luna still > takes up a lot of time!) but hey: there's plenty from other artists. > > Ye list-members who are likewise music-makers might even want to register > and upload yer stuff! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 8 21:50:28 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:50:28 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind hin du news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/8/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> >> Like everyone, Guardian has spent this week looking aghast at events in >> Libya: the violence, the bloodshed ? and Gaddafi?s insistence that >> everyone >> taking part in the demonstrations is on ?hallucination pills?, as if the >> whole thing is being orchestrated by Hawkwind. >> > > What can you say to that? It tended to reinforce something that was already on my mind. If I were an artist, taking the Liberty label logo (as a model) and making it totally drippingly psychedelic, and then imagining it used for something Hawkwind. Thank god "Married With Children" reruns are on in a few. That will save me (shut me up) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 9 08:49:31 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:49:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: > I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, > thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. I > got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the closet to > get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month ago. After > sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it correct!!! Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a download option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on sale" for "?0.00" ;) but I don't know if it works! While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found that, in practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me always seems to slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting in a less than smooth experience. > I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant Bottoms"?? I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the Rick featured black trousers and shoes! > If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever > soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% digital (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- enabling all but vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not the way that the masters of old would (or could) have done it, but eminently practical for an environment friendly to dozing spouses or offspring! > I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the flange-apex. > I'll go back in for more soon. > you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise "on site": http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, Bridget Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've lost track of how many other HW-related people and things are up there. > formed in 71!!!! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 09:09:46 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:09:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: <414C410D-155D-477A-A7E4-D202B9CE9161@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Just got up a few min ago The streaming was the ONLY way I wouild have heard it, since I have never been able to figure out how to open anything downloaded, and neither has the few assholes that have briefly tried to help. I am also funny about not wanting to let anything onto my computer. Be it right or wrong. But I must say I have been here with you guys and doing my shopping since 2006 or 7, without so much as even a virus clean-up!!! So Dell computers must be somewhat OK!!!! As for Steve, yes I suppose I should ease up huh?? (kidding) and as for your answer, you chose wisely sir!!! I mean it would have been OK either way, but I would have gone with NO!!! They were a little much!! Also, I know you record quietly, basically, from reading your posts, or at least I was pretty sure you did, I just thought my concern for Luna would go over well!!! On 3/9/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: >> I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, >> thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. I >> got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the closet to >> get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month ago. After >> sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it correct!!! > > > Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a download > option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on sale" for "?0.00" ;) > but I don't know if it works! > > While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found that, in > practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me always seems to > slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting in a less than smooth > experience. > > >> I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant Bottoms"?? > > > I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what > "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the Rick > featured black trousers and shoes! > > >> If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever >> soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! > > > Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% digital > (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- enabling all but > vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not the way that the masters > of old would (or could) have done it, but eminently practical for an > environment friendly to dozing spouses or offspring! > > >> I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the >> flange-apex. >> I'll go back in for more soon. >> you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind > > > But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise "on > site": > > http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ > > As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, Bridget > Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've lost track of > how many other HW-related people and things are up there. > >> formed in 71!!!! > > > ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 09:29:59 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:29:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No that I haven't TRIED to locate the kazillion things to clean the computer, but there is always a mental explosion and confusion on the part of those providing long-distance coaching. I even let Wilfried take over my computer..... I just need a new one, such a shame that I am too monstrous (manic, opinionated, loud, abrasive, etc) for many to handle and they are afraid to come here, and likely afraid to park their cars here even if they come!!! WEANIES!! (or however you spell that) I am hoping if I ever find a nice coach'sofa in a dumpster that it might help : ) But I find the accoustics of sitting on the floor combined with an already awesome upstairs accoustic reverberation "total apartment speaker cabinet" suits me fairly well.....and I like the floor and the space.....Hiowever the aches and pains are getting bad NEVER EVER EVER get a beer-belly unless you are good looking enough not to fear gyms!!! On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > Just got up a few min ago > The streaming was the ONLY way I wouild have heard it, since I have > never been able to figure out how to open anything downloaded, and > neither has the few assholes that have briefly tried to help. I am > also funny about not wanting to let anything onto my computer. > Be it right or wrong. > But I must say I have been here with you guys and doing my shopping > since 2006 or 7, without so much as even a virus clean-up!!! So Dell > computers must be somewhat OK!!!! > As for Steve, yes I suppose I should ease up huh?? (kidding) > and as for your answer, you chose wisely sir!!! > I mean it would have been OK either way, but I would have gone with > NO!!! They were a little much!! > Also, I know you record quietly, basically, from reading your posts, > or at least I was pretty sure you did, I just thought my concern for > Luna would go over well!!! > > > On 3/9/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: >>> I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, >>> thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. I >>> got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the closet to >>> get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month ago. After >>> sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it correct!!! >> >> >> Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a download >> option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on sale" for "?0.00" >> ;) >> but I don't know if it works! >> >> While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found that, in >> practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me always seems >> to >> slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting in a less than smooth >> experience. >> >> >>> I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant >>> Bottoms"?? >> >> >> I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what >> "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the Rick >> featured black trousers and shoes! >> >> >>> If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever >>> soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! >> >> >> Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% >> digital >> (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- enabling all >> but >> vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not the way that the >> masters >> of old would (or could) have done it, but eminently practical for an >> environment friendly to dozing spouses or offspring! >> >> >>> I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the >>> flange-apex. >>> I'll go back in for more soon. >>> you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind >> >> >> But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise "on >> site": >> >> http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ >> >> As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, >> Bridget >> Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've lost track of >> how many other HW-related people and things are up there. >> >>> formed in 71!!!! >> >> >> ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Mar 9 09:38:23 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 09:38:23 -0500 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: , Ha? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:23 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro On 3/8/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > "I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling > for you. "That's not very nice, I do hope you feel better. I do!! your next!! l From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 09:43:53 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:43:53 -0600 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro In-Reply-To: <20054BD7F0CA49DA91736885CE99A849@feeleyq0nl12xq> Message-ID: It was BS, you were not next, morning Mare. On 3/9/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > , Ha? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:23 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro > > On 3/8/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: >> "I'd be lying if I said I hadn't hoped joining was a little puzzling >> for you. "That's not very nice, I do hope you feel better. > I do!! > your next!! > l > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Mar 9 09:46:34 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 09:46:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can relate to your spelling problems, never having seen certain words. We love you, screw the wimps, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:30 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com No that I haven't TRIED to locate the kazillion things to clean the computer, but there is always a mental explosion and confusion on the part of those providing long-distance coaching. I even let Wilfried take over my computer..... I just need a new one, such a shame that I am too monstrous (manic, opinionated, loud, abrasive, etc) for many to handle and they are afraid to come here, and likely afraid to park their cars here even if they come!!! WEANIES!! (or however you spell that) I am hoping if I ever find a nice coach'sofa in a dumpster that it might help : ) But I find the accoustics of sitting on the floor combined with an already awesome upstairs accoustic reverberation "total apartment speaker cabinet" suits me fairly well.....and I like the floor and the space.....Hiowever the aches and pains are getting bad NEVER EVER EVER get a beer-belly unless you are good looking enough not to fear gyms!!! On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > Just got up a few min ago > The streaming was the ONLY way I wouild have heard it, since I have > never been able to figure out how to open anything downloaded, and > neither has the few assholes that have briefly tried to help. I am > also funny about not wanting to let anything onto my computer. > Be it right or wrong. > But I must say I have been here with you guys and doing my shopping > since 2006 or 7, without so much as even a virus clean-up!!! So Dell > computers must be somewhat OK!!!! > As for Steve, yes I suppose I should ease up huh?? (kidding) and as > for your answer, you chose wisely sir!!! > I mean it would have been OK either way, but I would have gone with > NO!!! They were a little much!! > Also, I know you record quietly, basically, from reading your posts, > or at least I was pretty sure you did, I just thought my concern for > Luna would go over well!!! > > > On 3/9/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: >>> I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, >>> thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. >>> I got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the >>> closet to get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month >>> ago. After sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it correct!!! >> >> >> Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a >> download option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on sale" for "?0.00" >> ;) >> but I don't know if it works! >> >> While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found >> that, in practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me >> always seems to slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting in >> a less than smooth experience. >> >> >>> I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant >>> Bottoms"?? >> >> >> I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what >> "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the >> Rick featured black trousers and shoes! >> >> >>> If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever >>> soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! >> >> >> Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% >> digital (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- >> enabling all but vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not >> the way that the masters of old would (or could) have done it, but >> eminently practical for an environment friendly to dozing spouses or >> offspring! >> >> >>> I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the >>> flange-apex. >>> I'll go back in for more soon. >>> you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind >> >> >> But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise >> "on >> site": >> >> http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ >> >> As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, >> Bridget Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've >> lost track of how many other HW-related people and things are up >> there. >> >>> formed in 71!!!! >> >> >> ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 09:59:04 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:59:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and every one here is certainly welcome to point out those parts of me that spell IDIOT, just do it in your normal "not so mean", "educated" ways, if pursuing that option. My spelling has gone south of the border due to the cheap keypad being taped together since I had to keep opening it up to reposition the plastic "cups" that are worn down from my BANGING. The keypad still sits on a bouncing pillow and the "d" key is currently out of order and it causes mischief, but I am too lazy to "go back in" just now. I will however, NOT be seeking a sofa from a dumpster!!! I remember the scabies on the couch the acid-dealer, tie-dye makers had got, not to mention the pure nastiness of anything obtained "diving" On 3/9/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > I can relate to your spelling problems, never having seen certain words. > > We love you, screw the wimps, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:30 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com > > No that I haven't TRIED to locate the kazillion things to clean the > computer, but there is always a mental explosion and confusion on the part > of those providing long-distance coaching. > I even let Wilfried take over my computer..... > I just need a new one, such a shame that I am too monstrous (manic, > opinionated, loud, abrasive, etc) for many to handle and they are afraid to > come here, and likely afraid to park their cars here even if they come!!! > WEANIES!! (or however you spell that) > I am hoping if I ever find a nice coach'sofa in a dumpster that it might > help : ) But I find the accoustics of sitting on the floor combined with an > already awesome upstairs accoustic reverberation "total apartment speaker > cabinet" suits me fairly well.....and I like the floor and the > space.....Hiowever the aches and pains are getting bad NEVER EVER EVER get a > beer-belly unless you are good looking enough not to fear gyms!!! > > On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >> Just got up a few min ago >> The streaming was the ONLY way I wouild have heard it, since I have >> never been able to figure out how to open anything downloaded, and >> neither has the few assholes that have briefly tried to help. I am >> also funny about not wanting to let anything onto my computer. >> Be it right or wrong. >> But I must say I have been here with you guys and doing my shopping >> since 2006 or 7, without so much as even a virus clean-up!!! So Dell >> computers must be somewhat OK!!!! >> As for Steve, yes I suppose I should ease up huh?? (kidding) and as >> for your answer, you chose wisely sir!!! >> I mean it would have been OK either way, but I would have gone with >> NO!!! They were a little much!! >> Also, I know you record quietly, basically, from reading your posts, >> or at least I was pretty sure you did, I just thought my concern for >> Luna would go over well!!! >> >> >> On 3/9/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>> On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: >>>> I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, >>>> thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. >>>> I got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the >>>> closet to get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a month >>>> ago. After sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to hear it > correct!!! >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a >>> download option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on sale" for > "?0.00" >>> ;) >>> but I don't know if it works! >>> >>> While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found >>> that, in practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me >>> always seems to slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting in >>> a less than smooth experience. >>> >>> >>>> I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant >>>> Bottoms"?? >>> >>> >>> I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what >>> "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the >>> Rick featured black trousers and shoes! >>> >>> >>>> If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever >>>> soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! >>> >>> >>> Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% >>> digital (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- >>> enabling all but vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not >>> the way that the masters of old would (or could) have done it, but >>> eminently practical for an environment friendly to dozing spouses or >>> offspring! >>> >>> >>>> I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the >>>> flange-apex. >>>> I'll go back in for more soon. >>>> you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind >>> >>> >>> But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise >>> "on >>> site": >>> >>> http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ >>> >>> As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, >>> Bridget Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've >>> lost track of how many other HW-related people and things are up >>> there. >>> >>>> formed in 71!!!! >>> >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >>> >>> -- >>> Carl Edlund Anderson >>> http://www.carlaz.com/ >>> >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Mar 9 10:43:46 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:43:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like an interesting sofa, I wonder if scavengers found anything interesting, (whatever type they be). -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com and every one here is certainly welcome to point out those parts of me that spell IDIOT, just do it in your normal "not so mean", "educated" ways, if pursuing that option. My spelling has gone south of the border due to the cheap keypad being taped together since I had to keep opening it up to reposition the plastic "cups" that are worn down from my BANGING. The keypad still sits on a bouncing pillow and the "d" key is currently out of order and it causes mischief, but I am too lazy to "go back in" just now. I will however, NOT be seeking a sofa from a dumpster!!! I remember the scabies on the couch the acid-dealer, tie-dye makers had got, not to mention the pure nastiness of anything obtained "diving" On 3/9/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > I can relate to your spelling problems, never having seen certain words. > > We love you, screw the wimps, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:30 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com > > No that I haven't TRIED to locate the kazillion things to clean the > computer, but there is always a mental explosion and confusion on the > part of those providing long-distance coaching. > I even let Wilfried take over my computer..... > I just need a new one, such a shame that I am too monstrous (manic, > opinionated, loud, abrasive, etc) for many to handle and they are > afraid to come here, and likely afraid to park their cars here even if they come!!! > WEANIES!! (or however you spell that) > I am hoping if I ever find a nice coach'sofa in a dumpster that it > might help : ) But I find the accoustics of sitting on the floor > combined with an already awesome upstairs accoustic reverberation > "total apartment speaker cabinet" suits me fairly well.....and I like > the floor and the space.....Hiowever the aches and pains are getting > bad NEVER EVER EVER get a beer-belly unless you are good looking enough not to fear gyms!!! > > On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >> Just got up a few min ago >> The streaming was the ONLY way I wouild have heard it, since I have >> never been able to figure out how to open anything downloaded, and >> neither has the few assholes that have briefly tried to help. I am >> also funny about not wanting to let anything onto my computer. >> Be it right or wrong. >> But I must say I have been here with you guys and doing my shopping >> since 2006 or 7, without so much as even a virus clean-up!!! So Dell >> computers must be somewhat OK!!!! >> As for Steve, yes I suppose I should ease up huh?? (kidding) and as >> for your answer, you chose wisely sir!!! >> I mean it would have been OK either way, but I would have gone with >> NO!!! They were a little much!! >> Also, I know you record quietly, basically, from reading your posts, >> or at least I was pretty sure you did, I just thought my concern for >> Luna would go over well!!! >> >> >> On 3/9/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>> On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:17 , mike coleman wrote: >>>> I've just done something outrageous for me. I went to your page, >>>> thought I saw something moving, and sat wondering. Then IT happened. >>>> I got up, despite the beer-belly weight and waddled off to the >>>> closet to get the shitty speakers out where I put them about a >>>> month ago. After sitting through Afterburner breaking up I got to >>>> hear it > correct!!! >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I really must bother the site admins about the lack of a >>> download option. I tried to put a downloadable Afterburner "on >>> sale" for > "?0.00" >>> ;) >>> but I don't know if it works! >>> >>> While I can see the appeal of streaming stuff, I've always found >>> that, in practice, the amount of data trying to stream through to me >>> always seems to slightly exceed the available bandwidth, resulting >>> in a less than smooth experience. >>> >>> >>>> I canlt see below the Rick, but would you be wearing "Elephant >>>> Bottoms"?? >>> >>> >>> I'm going to go with "no", not least since am not entirely sure what >>> "Elephant Bottoms" might be. Most likely, visible attire below the >>> Rick featured black trousers and shoes! >>> >>> >>>> If the residence isnt sprawling I hope you've done some clever >>>> soundproofing for Luna until she's 3 or so!! >>> >>> >>> Soundproofing is, these days, achieved by all recording being 100% >>> digital (for good or ill) once the signal reaches the computer -- >>> enabling all but vox to be done in relatively surprising quiet. Not >>> the way that the masters of old would (or could) have done it, but >>> eminently practical for an environment friendly to dozing spouses or >>> offspring! >>> >>> >>>> I fully enjoyed this and I liked the guitar lingering around the >>>> flange-apex. >>>> I'll go back in for more soon. >>>> you realise I would not have done this for Hawkwind >>> >>> >>> But you should do it for Steve Pond's Krankschaft, who are likewise >>> "on >>> site": >>> >>> http://Krankschaft.soundawesome.com/ >>> >>> As well as for grooviness from Alan Davey, his cousin Nigel Potter, >>> Bridget Wishart, and of course Steve Swindells! And, frankly, I've >>> lost track of how many other HW-related people and things are up >>> there. >>> >>>> formed in 71!!!! >>> >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >>> >>> -- >>> Carl Edlund Anderson >>> http://www.carlaz.com/ >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 11:46:52 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:46:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: Me @ SoundAwesome.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/9/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > Sounds like an interesting sofa, I wonder if scavengers found anything > interesting, (whatever type they be). I donlt know but the moths I VERY mistakenly allowed to live in my bedroom, became little meth-freaks, and bred like crazy.......I finally had to vaccum them up withe a vengeance. I didn't go NEAR the quarantined sofa. Looking back, I think the "bird-lady" has passed on. From lucidsound at IC24.NET Wed Mar 9 12:20:25 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000 Subject: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro Message-ID: The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes are not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A third generation copy? Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have a bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of sound that might be expected. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOC-L Jamun" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro > My Rock Fever is no digipack. Its just a plain old plastic CD release. Its > cheapo. The printing on the CD is bad quality as is the sleeve. When I > have > time I will post it on SRT. > > AND:............................I am not convinced AT ALL about these > master > tapes that they exist in the vaults,, and that Griffin release, being off > a > master tape... And Atomhenge saying, the master tapes HAVE NOT been lost, > because we have seen them. So where the F&CK are they?? Oh maybe its > because > Lemmy says, Warrior, piece of sh&t so I don't want it released, because > Dave > left me to hitch half way around the US etc etc. So if that's the case, > why > do the Dojo, the Griffin and the Rock Fever all IMO sound very very very > similar. Trust me, my friend Professor_Y, who, I have said many times > works > for Intel, and I between him and myself, we have some serious audio > equipment. We don't listen to CD off a player. We play the data through > bespoke, Digital to Analogue converters. I have probably the worlds best > headphones HD800's running out off this special equipment, as I cant see a > huge difference between the releases. There are tonal changes, and you can > here the vinyl crackle off the Dojo. BUT IMO, its utter Bull to say the > Griffin is a mile better than anything. Thats boll&cks IMO. > > Any how, dude, hope your tooth is better. I am next in this queue. > > OH and the BIG deal is that its my Birthday today. I am 45! Mid life > crisis > is on me. > From youless at COX.NET Wed Mar 9 18:52:31 2011 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:52:31 -0500 Subject: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob Griffin (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html It's located about a third of the way down the page. BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. What I think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums, and it thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. However, Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that contract was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the only record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was actually recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were ATCO's property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the album was recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release on a short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence EMI has never had the rights to reissue the album. Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately. Cheers Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound wrote: >The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master >tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes are >not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A third >generation copy? >Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard >issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly >mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have a >bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of sound >that might be expected. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 19:09:34 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:09:34 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and different than the Atco pressings. Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a diff company?) hehehe Never compared to the Griffin CD. I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a little nervous. hmmm Anyway, thanks for info guys On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: > This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob Griffin > (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: > > http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html > > It's located about a third of the way down the page. > > BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information > concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album > has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. What I > think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums, and > it > thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. However, > Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that contract > was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the only > record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was actually > recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were ATCO's > property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the album was > recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release on a > short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence EMI has > never had the rights to reissue the album. > > Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately. > > Cheers > > Steve > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound > wrote: > >>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master >>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes are >>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A >> third >>generation copy? >>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard >>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly >>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have a >>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of sound >>that might be expected. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 9 19:39:09 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:39:09 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: Poor Rob He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) WILFRIED!!! I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! NOW!!!!!~!~! On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and > different than the Atco pressings. > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a > diff company?) > hehehe > Never compared to the Griffin CD. > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a > little nervous. > hmmm > Anyway, thanks for info guys > > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >> Griffin >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. What I >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums, >> and >> it >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. However, >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that contract >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the only >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >> actually >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were ATCO's >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the album >> was >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release on >> a >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence EMI >> has >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately. >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >> wrote: >> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes >>> are >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A >>> third >>>generation copy? >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have a >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of >>> sound >>>that might be expected. >> > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 04:02:50 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:02:50 +0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now this quote is interesting *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A and B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about track order and fades. *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with the "scratch" in evidence. I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered from vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at Doug's request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had been released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single version of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before the timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as both versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is longer. Steve * * On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: > Poor Rob > He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) > WILFRIED!!! > I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! > NOW!!!!!~!~! > > On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA > > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and > > different than the Atco pressings. > > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a > > diff company?) > > hehehe > > Never compared to the Griffin CD. > > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, > > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I > > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. > > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire > > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a > > little nervous. > > hmmm > > Anyway, thanks for info guys > > > > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: > >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob > >> Griffin > >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: > >> > >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html > >> > >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. > >> > >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information > >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album > >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. What I > >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums, > >> and > >> it > >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. However, > >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that > contract > >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the only > >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was > >> actually > >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were > ATCO's > >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the album > >> was > >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release > on > >> a > >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence EMI > >> has > >> never had the rights to reissue the album. > >> > >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Steve > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound > >> wrote: > >> > >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master > >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes > >>> are > >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The > >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A > >>> third > >>>generation copy? > >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard > >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a > >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly > >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have > a > >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of > >>> sound > >>>that might be expected. > >> > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 08:12:45 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Town Idiot) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:12:45 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: > Now this quote is interesting > > *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A and > B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about > track order and fades. Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for drawing me to your site!! > *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with the > "scratch" in evidence. Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! > I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered from > vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at Doug's > request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had been > released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a test-prsssing > This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single version > of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before the > timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as both > versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is > longer. AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for the sake of discussion" YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except Atco THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to have already been made from another set of masters. I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there 3 of those?? > Steve > * > * > On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: > >> Poor Rob >> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >> WILFRIED!!! >> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >> NOW!!!!!~!~! >> >> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >> > different than the Atco pressings. >> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a >> > diff company?) >> > hehehe >> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, >> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I >> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a >> > little nervous. >> > hmmm >> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >> > >> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >> >> Griffin >> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >> >> >> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >> >> >> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >> >> >> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information >> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that album >> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. What >> >> I >> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 albums, >> >> and >> >> it >> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. However, >> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >> contract >> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the >> >> only >> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >> >> actually >> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >> ATCO's >> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >> >> album >> >> was >> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) release >> on >> >> a >> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence EMI >> >> has >> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >> >> >> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, unfortunately. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO master >> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO tapes >> >>> are >> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? A >> >>> third >> >>>generation copy? >> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a standard >> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly >> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could have >> a >> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of >> >>> sound >> >>>that might be expected. >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 08:17:08 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Town Idiot) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:17:08 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can have a SHORTER KOS?? If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it that simple?? On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( > > On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >> Now this quote is interesting >> >> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A >> and >> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about >> track order and fades. > > Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for > drawing me to your site!! > >> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with >> the >> "scratch" in evidence. > > Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- > I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version > compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a > "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the > Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! > > >> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered >> from >> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at >> Doug's >> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had >> been >> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. > > I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a > test-prsssing > > >> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >> version >> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before >> the >> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as >> both >> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is >> longer. > > > AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for > the sake of discussion" > > YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to > figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except > Atco > > THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the > guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the > single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL > Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to > have already been made from another set of masters. > > I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I > repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there > 3 of those?? > > > > >> Steve >> * >> * >> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >> >>> Poor Rob >>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>> WILFRIED!!! >>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>> >>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a >>> > diff company?) >>> > hehehe >>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, >>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I >>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a >>> > little nervous. >>> > hmmm >>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>> > >>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >>> >> Griffin >>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >>> >> >>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>> >> >>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>> >> >>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some information >>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that >>> >> album >>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>> >> What >>> >> I >>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>> >> albums, >>> >> and >>> >> it >>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. >>> >> However, >>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>> contract >>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the >>> >> only >>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >>> >> actually >>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >>> ATCO's >>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >>> >> album >>> >> was >>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) >>> >> release >>> on >>> >> a >>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence >>> >> EMI >>> >> has >>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >>> >> >>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>> >> unfortunately. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers >>> >> >>> >> Steve >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>> >>> master >>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO >>> >>> tapes >>> >>> are >>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? >>> >>> A >>> >>> third >>> >>>generation copy? >>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>> >>> standard >>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release properly >>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could >>> >>> have >>> a >>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of >>> >>> sound >>> >>>that might be expected. >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 08:52:46 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:52:46 -0600 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes Message-ID: Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were S.Youles for a second only. Timing variations according to LP versions as follows USA versions splits Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where UK is 10:20 Wizard is 1:58 where UK is 2 Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!) The Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20 Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40 Standing At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45 Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55 Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05 Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05 KOS is 3:29 where UK is 3:25 This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!! all 2 million of them!!!! On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can > have a SHORTER KOS?? > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it > that simple?? > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( >> >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>> Now this quote is interesting >>> >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A >>> and >>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 >>> about >>> track order and fades. >> >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for >> drawing me to your site!! >> >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with >>> the >>> "scratch" in evidence. >> >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- >> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version >> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a >> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the >> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! >> >> >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered >>> from >>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at >>> Doug's >>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had >>> been >>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. >> >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a >> test-prsssing >> >> >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >>> version >>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before >>> the >>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as >>> both >>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu >>> is >>> longer. >> >> >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for >> the sake of discussion" >> >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except >> Atco >> >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the >> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL >> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to >> have already been made from another set of masters. >> >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there >> 3 of those?? >> >> >> >> >>> Steve >>> * >>> * >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Poor Rob >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>>> WILFRIED!!! >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>>> >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a >>>> > diff company?) >>>> > hehehe >>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, >>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I >>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a >>>> > little nervous. >>>> > hmmm >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>>> > >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >>>> >> Griffin >>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>>> >> >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>>> >> >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some >>>> >> information >>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that >>>> >> album >>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>>> >> What >>>> >> I >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>>> >> albums, >>>> >> and >>>> >> it >>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. >>>> >> However, >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>>> contract >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the >>>> >> only >>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >>>> >> actually >>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >>>> ATCO's >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >>>> >> album >>>> >> was >>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) >>>> >> release >>>> on >>>> >> a >>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence >>>> >> EMI >>>> >> has >>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >>>> >> >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>>> >> unfortunately. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers >>>> >> >>>> >> Steve >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>>> >>> master >>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO >>>> >>> tapes >>>> >>> are >>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? >>>> >>> A >>>> >>> third >>>> >>>generation copy? >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>>> >>> standard >>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release >>>> >>> properly >>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could >>>> >>> have >>>> a >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of >>>> >>> sound >>>> >>>that might be expected. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>> >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Mar 10 09:27:50 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:27:50 -0500 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mike and Steve, Mike, nice to see so many postings, looks like you are having fun. Love to all, Mary Tim and of course, Kosh -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:53 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were S.Youles for a second only. Timing variations according to LP versions as follows USA versions splits Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where UK is 10:20 Wizard is 1:58 where UK is 2 Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!) The Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20 Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40 Standing At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45 Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55 Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05 Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05 KOS is 3:29 where UK is 3:25 This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!! all 2 million of them!!!! On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can > have a SHORTER KOS?? > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it > that simple?? > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( >> >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>> Now this quote is interesting >>> >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included >>> the A and B side of the single as well as Dave s hand-written notes >>> from 1975 about track order and fades. >> >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for >> drawing me to your site!! >> >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD >>> with the "scratch" in evidence. >> >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- I have >> played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version compared to >> the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a "bump >> noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the Dojo >> version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! >> >> >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was >>> mastered from vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and >>> the single)) at Doug's request as at the time the mater tapes were >>> not available*. *If it had been released after the Griffin version I >>> would not have bought it. >> >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a >> test-prsssing >> >> >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >>> version of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've >>> mentioned before the timings of some of the other songs differ to >>> make up the album time as both versions are the same length. Think >>> the intro on Dojo version of Magnu is longer. >> >> >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for >> the sake of discussion" >> >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except >> Atco >> >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- >> the guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL Thus leaving >> that person to further claim that those versions seems to have >> already been made from another set of masters. >> >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there >> 3 of those?? >> >> >> >> >>> Steve >>> * >>> * >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Poor Rob >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>>> WILFRIED!!! >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>>> >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done >>>> > by a diff company?) hehehe Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in >>>> > particular, alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable >>>> > flatish drum-sound. I suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that >>>> > entire thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane >>>> > and even a little nervous. >>>> > hmmm >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>>> > >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what >>>> >> Rob Griffin (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on >>>> >> this page: >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>>> >> >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>>> >> >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some >>>> >> information concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would >>>> >> explain why that album has never been part of the EMI reissues >>>> >> of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>>> >> What >>>> >> I >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>>> >> albums, and it thus expired with the release of Hall Of The >>>> >> Mountain Grill. >>>> >> However, >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>>> contract >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was >>>> >> the only record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the >>>> >> album was actually recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means >>>> >> the master tapes were >>>> ATCO's >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once >>>> >> the album was recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK >>>> >> (maybe European) release >>>> on >>>> >> a >>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and >>>> >> hence EMI has never had the rights to reissue the album. >>>> >> >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>>> >> unfortunately. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers >>>> >> >>>> >> Steve >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>>> >> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>>> >>>master tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, >>>> >>>the ATCO tapes are not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a >>>> >>>copy. A copy of what? The equalised tape used to master the >>>> >>>vinyl? The original stereo master? >>>> >>> A >>>> >>> third >>>> >>>generation copy? >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>>> >>>standard issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which >>>> >>>would impart a not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was >>>> >>>the release properly mastered or just copied straight to CD? >>>> >>>All of these factors could have >>>> a >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the >>>> >>>transparency of sound that might be expected. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 09:27:55 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:55 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One more thing, apologies- While nothing HW has ever been "bad" to me, I tend to like the "message" of "KOS" better than the tune, Moorcock's version excepted, and I confess to NEVER really knowing the difference between "single version" and "album version". I always thought the song doesn't really fit the record muscially. so I'm interested should anybody set me straight about that...... On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can > have a SHORTER KOS?? > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it > that simple?? > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( >> >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>> Now this quote is interesting >>> >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A >>> and >>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 >>> about >>> track order and fades. >> >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for >> drawing me to your site!! >> >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with >>> the >>> "scratch" in evidence. >> >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- >> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version >> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a >> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the >> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! >> >> >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered >>> from >>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at >>> Doug's >>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had >>> been >>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. >> >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a >> test-prsssing >> >> >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >>> version >>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned before >>> the >>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as >>> both >>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu >>> is >>> longer. >> >> >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for >> the sake of discussion" >> >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except >> Atco >> >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the >> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL >> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to >> have already been made from another set of masters. >> >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there >> 3 of those?? >> >> >> >> >>> Steve >>> * >>> * >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Poor Rob >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>>> WILFRIED!!! >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>>> >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by a >>>> > diff company?) >>>> > hehehe >>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, >>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I >>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a >>>> > little nervous. >>>> > hmmm >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>>> > >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >>>> >> Griffin >>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>>> >> >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>>> >> >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some >>>> >> information >>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that >>>> >> album >>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>>> >> What >>>> >> I >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>>> >> albums, >>>> >> and >>>> >> it >>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. >>>> >> However, >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>>> contract >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the >>>> >> only >>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >>>> >> actually >>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >>>> ATCO's >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >>>> >> album >>>> >> was >>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) >>>> >> release >>>> on >>>> >> a >>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence >>>> >> EMI >>>> >> has >>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >>>> >> >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>>> >> unfortunately. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers >>>> >> >>>> >> Steve >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>>> >>> master >>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO >>>> >>> tapes >>>> >>> are >>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? The >>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo master? >>>> >>> A >>>> >>> third >>>> >>>generation copy? >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>>> >>> standard >>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart a >>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release >>>> >>> properly >>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could >>>> >>> have >>>> a >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency of >>>> >>> sound >>>> >>>that might be expected. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>> >> > From lucidsound at IC24.NET Thu Mar 10 09:38:48 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:38:48 -0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: The album version has a longer guitar solo in the middle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) > One more thing, apologies- > While nothing HW has ever been "bad" to me, I tend to like the > "message" of "KOS" better than the tune, Moorcock's version excepted, > and I confess to NEVER really knowing the difference between "single > version" and "album version". I always thought the song doesn't really > fit the record muscially. > so > I'm interested should anybody set me straight about that...... > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >> Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can >> have a SHORTER KOS?? >> If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it >> that simple?? >> >> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >>> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( >>> >>> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>>> Now this quote is interesting >>>> >>>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A >>>> and >>>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 >>>> about >>>> track order and fades. >>> >>> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for >>> drawing me to your site!! >>> >>>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with >>>> the >>>> "scratch" in evidence. >>> >>> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- >>> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version >>> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a >>> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the >>> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! >>> >>> >>>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered >>>> from >>>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at >>>> Doug's >>>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had >>>> been >>>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. >>> >>> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a >>> test-prsssing >>> >>> >>>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >>>> version >>>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned >>>> before >>>> the >>>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as >>>> both >>>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu >>>> is >>>> longer. >>> >>> >>> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for >>> the sake of discussion" >>> >>> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to >>> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except >>> Atco >>> >>> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the >>> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the >>> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL >>> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to >>> have already been made from another set of masters. >>> >>> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I >>> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there >>> 3 of those?? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Steve >>>> * >>>> * >>>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Poor Rob >>>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>>>> WILFRIED!!! >>>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>>>> >>>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>>>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by >>>>> > a >>>>> > diff company?) >>>>> > hehehe >>>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, >>>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I >>>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >>>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a >>>>> > little nervous. >>>>> > hmmm >>>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>>>> > >>>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob >>>>> >> Griffin >>>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some >>>>> >> information >>>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that >>>>> >> album >>>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>>>> >> What >>>>> >> I >>>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>>>> >> albums, >>>>> >> and >>>>> >> it >>>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. >>>>> >> However, >>>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>>>> contract >>>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the >>>>> >> only >>>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >>>>> >> actually >>>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >>>>> ATCO's >>>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >>>>> >> album >>>>> >> was >>>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) >>>>> >> release >>>>> on >>>>> >> a >>>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence >>>>> >> EMI >>>>> >> has >>>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>>>> >> unfortunately. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Cheers >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Steve >>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>>>> >>> master >>>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO >>>>> >>> tapes >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? >>>>> >>>The >>>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo >>>>> >>>master? >>>>> >>> A >>>>> >>> third >>>>> >>>generation copy? >>>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>>>> >>> standard >>>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart >>>>> >>>a >>>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release >>>>> >>> properly >>>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could >>>>> >>> have >>>>> a >>>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency >>>>> >>>of >>>>> >>> sound >>>>> >>>that might be expected. >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>>> >>> >> > From lucidsound at IC24.NET Thu Mar 10 10:22:01 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:22:01 -0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: Having just played both the Dojo and Griffin releases, I can confirm the Dojo has the correct full-length version of Kings Of Speed, while the Griffin has the shortened single version. One other difference is The Wizard Blew His Horn, which has the start faded in on the Dojo version, possibly to remove some unwanted noise, whilst the Griffin has the full version. Listening to both discs alternately, the sonic difference is considerable, even on just the opening bars of Assault and Battery. The Dojo has a more mid-range presence, the mellotron strings are more pronounced and forward. Switching to the Griffin, the strings are further back in the mix while the bass guitar is deeper, almost artifically so. Stereo seperation is noticably better. The hi-hats are much clearer on the Griffin and have more top-end extension than the Dojo release. For fun I then thought I'd dig out my first-press UK vinyl copy. Listening to Opa-Loka, the Dojo sounds harsh and compressed compared to the vinyl and Griffin CD. In fact the last two were surprisingly close, so much so that at times I forgot which one I was listening to. Overall, the vinyl has a darker sound, the Griffin CD has more top-end extension and detail. So there you go. If and when Atomhenge release ther version of it, I look forward to comparing it, but for now, looks like the Griffin has the edge. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucidsound" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) > The album version has a longer guitar solo in the middle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike c" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & > Spacerocktrading intro) > > >> One more thing, apologies- >> While nothing HW has ever been "bad" to me, I tend to like the >> "message" of "KOS" better than the tune, Moorcock's version excepted, >> and I confess to NEVER really knowing the difference between "single >> version" and "album version". I always thought the song doesn't really >> fit the record muscially. >> so >> I'm interested should anybody set me straight about that...... >> >> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >>> Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can >>> have a SHORTER KOS?? >>> If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it >>> that simple?? >>> >>> On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: >>>> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( >>>> >>>> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>>>> Now this quote is interesting >>>>> >>>>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the >>>>> A >>>>> and >>>>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 >>>>> about >>>>> track order and fades. >>>> >>>> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for >>>> drawing me to your site!! >>>> >>>>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> "scratch" in evidence. >>>> >>>> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- >>>> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version >>>> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a >>>> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the >>>> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! >>>> >>>> >>>>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered >>>>> from >>>>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at >>>>> Doug's >>>>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had >>>>> been >>>>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. >>>> >>>> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a >>>> test-prsssing >>>> >>>> >>>>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single >>>>> version >>>>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned >>>>> before >>>>> the >>>>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as >>>>> both >>>>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu >>>>> is >>>>> longer. >>>> >>>> >>>> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for >>>> the sake of discussion" >>>> >>>> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to >>>> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except >>>> Atco >>>> >>>> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the >>>> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the >>>> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL >>>> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to >>>> have already been made from another set of masters. >>>> >>>> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I >>>> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there >>>> 3 of those?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Poor Rob >>>>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) >>>>>> WILFRIED!!! >>>>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! >>>>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: >>>>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA >>>>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and >>>>>> > different than the Atco pressings. >>>>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > diff company?) >>>>>> > hehehe >>>>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. >>>>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in >>>>>> > particular, >>>>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. >>>>>> > I >>>>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. >>>>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire >>>>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > little nervous. >>>>>> > hmmm >>>>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: >>>>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what >>>>>> >> Rob >>>>>> >> Griffin >>>>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some >>>>>> >> information >>>>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that >>>>>> >> album >>>>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. >>>>>> >> What >>>>>> >> I >>>>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 >>>>>> >> albums, >>>>>> >> and >>>>>> >> it >>>>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. >>>>>> >> However, >>>>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that >>>>>> contract >>>>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> only >>>>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was >>>>>> >> actually >>>>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were >>>>>> ATCO's >>>>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the >>>>>> >> album >>>>>> >> was >>>>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) >>>>>> >> release >>>>>> on >>>>>> >> a >>>>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and >>>>>> >> hence >>>>>> >> EMI >>>>>> >> has >>>>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, >>>>>> >> unfortunately. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Steve >>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO >>>>>> >>> master >>>>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO >>>>>> >>> tapes >>>>>> >>> are >>>>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? >>>>>> >>>The >>>>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo >>>>>> >>>master? >>>>>> >>> A >>>>>> >>> third >>>>>> >>>generation copy? >>>>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a >>>>>> >>> standard >>>>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart >>>>>> >>>a >>>>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release >>>>>> >>> properly >>>>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could >>>>>> >>> have >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency >>>>>> >>>of >>>>>> >>> sound >>>>>> >>>that might be expected. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 10 10:43:12 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:43:12 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: <059654D3041C444EBC1A66E2CD3BD221@Magdallen> Message-ID: On 10 Mar 2011, at 10:22 , lucidsound wrote: > Overall, the vinyl has a darker sound, the Griffin CD has more top-end extension and detail. While there are, of course, exceptions this would tend to fit my general (inexpert) impressions of comparing decently mastered vinyl played on consumer turntables with decently mastered CDs played on consumer equipment. Which -- insofar as my opinions have any validity! -- suggests that the Griffin CD is a decently mastered CD. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 11:07:36 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:07:36 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: <2BC0C963-E921-4286-AC49-E51439FB3C94@carlaz.com> Message-ID: those opinions and revelations agreed upon from my own even further inexpertness, my extreme inexpert addition that could be a fallacy, is that the Atco tapes always seemd to have a "brightish-ness" top-endy "thing" going on, as compared the the UA richness.... Of course, a Rega 3 was as high up the comsumatorial ladder as I ever got and 15" Cerwin's were probably not the defintion of clarity. Brightness exceptionally apparent on USA test-press, and just think, "letting in" what I think is the future, this will all pile back up full circle as a quite chunky LP. Let's get the next CD out of the way, as time moves quickly now and and earthly life hangs in a crucial flux... On 3/10/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 10 Mar 2011, at 10:22 , lucidsound wrote: >> Overall, the vinyl has a darker sound, the Griffin CD has more top-end >> extension and detail. > > While there are, of course, exceptions this would tend to fit my general > (inexpert) impressions of comparing decently mastered vinyl played on > consumer turntables with decently mastered CDs played on consumer equipment. > > Which -- insofar as my opinions have any validity! -- suggests that the > Griffin CD is a decently mastered CD. :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 11:33:33 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:33:33 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please forgive me, I don't want to be misunderstood or thought to be injecting into things you guys mentioned. What I meant was simply that the Atco records (vinyl), sound inefrior, IMHO, and flat. The test press is much better, but still doesn't sound like a UA master to me It's Way BRIGHT thanks On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: > those opinions and revelations agreed upon from my own even further > inexpertness, my extreme inexpert addition that could be a fallacy, is > that the Atco tapes always seemd to have a "brightish-ness" top-endy > "thing" going on, as compared the the UA richness.... > Of course, a Rega 3 was as high up the comsumatorial ladder as I ever > got and 15" Cerwin's were probably not the defintion of clarity. > Brightness exceptionally apparent on USA test-press, and just think, > "letting in" what I think is the future, this will all pile back up > full circle as a quite chunky LP. > Let's get the next CD out of the way, as time moves quickly now and > and earthly life hangs in a crucial flux... > > On 3/10/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 10:22 , lucidsound wrote: >>> Overall, the vinyl has a darker sound, the Griffin CD has more top-end >>> extension and detail. >> >> While there are, of course, exceptions this would tend to fit my general >> (inexpert) impressions of comparing decently mastered vinyl played on >> consumer turntables with decently mastered CDs played on consumer >> equipment. >> >> Which -- insofar as my opinions have any validity! -- suggests that the >> Griffin CD is a decently mastered CD. :) >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 11:49:26 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:26 +0000 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also remember buying a vinyl cut out from the US in a London shop that specialised in such things. Whilst I don't have this any more, my abiding memory (and why I got rid of it) was that there was a gap between Assault and Void separating them as 2 tracks (an abrupt break, no fades) that pretty much made this unlistenable to me. You got a copy like that Mike? Just off to listen to the album (Griffin of course). Steve On 10 March 2011 13:52, mike c wrote: > Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were > S.Youles for a second only. > Timing variations according to LP versions as follows > USA versions splits Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where > UK is 10:20 > Wizard is 1:58 where UK is 2 > Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!) > The Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20 > Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40 > Standing At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45 > Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55 > Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05 > Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05 > KOS is 3:29 where UK is 3:25 > > This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!! all 2 million of > them!!!! > > > > > > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can > > have a SHORTER KOS?? > > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it > > that simple?? > > > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( > >> > >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: > >>> Now this quote is interesting > >>> > >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A > >>> and > >>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 > >>> about > >>> track order and fades. > >> > >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for > >> drawing me to your site!! > >> > >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with > >>> the > >>> "scratch" in evidence. > >> > >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- > >> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version > >> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a > >> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the > >> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! > >> > >> > >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered > >>> from > >>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at > >>> Doug's > >>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had > >>> been > >>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. > >> > >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a > >> test-prsssing > >> > >> > >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single > >>> version > >>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned > before > >>> the > >>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as > >>> both > >>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu > >>> is > >>> longer. > >> > >> > >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for > >> the sake of discussion" > >> > >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to > >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except > >> Atco > >> > >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the > >> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the > >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL > >> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to > >> have already been made from another set of masters. > >> > >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I > >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there > >> 3 of those?? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Steve > >>> * > >>> * > >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: > >>> > >>>> Poor Rob > >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) > >>>> WILFRIED!!! > >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! > >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! > >>>> > >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA > >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and > >>>> > different than the Atco pressings. > >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by > a > >>>> > diff company?) > >>>> > hehehe > >>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. > >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, > >>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I > >>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. > >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire > >>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a > >>>> > little nervous. > >>>> > hmmm > >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys > >>>> > > >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: > >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob > >>>> >> Griffin > >>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html > >>>> >> > >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some > >>>> >> information > >>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that > >>>> >> album > >>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. > >>>> >> What > >>>> >> I > >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 > >>>> >> albums, > >>>> >> and > >>>> >> it > >>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. > >>>> >> However, > >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that > >>>> contract > >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the > >>>> >> only > >>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was > >>>> >> actually > >>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were > >>>> ATCO's > >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the > >>>> >> album > >>>> >> was > >>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) > >>>> >> release > >>>> on > >>>> >> a > >>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence > >>>> >> EMI > >>>> >> has > >>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, > >>>> >> unfortunately. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Cheers > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Steve > >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound > > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO > >>>> >>> master > >>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO > >>>> >>> tapes > >>>> >>> are > >>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? > The > >>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo > master? > >>>> >>> A > >>>> >>> third > >>>> >>>generation copy? > >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a > >>>> >>> standard > >>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart > a > >>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release > >>>> >>> properly > >>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could > >>>> >>> have > >>>> a > >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency > of > >>>> >>> sound > >>>> >>>that might be expected. > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > >>> > >> > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Thu Mar 10 11:51:21 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:51:21 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: I hazard a guess that your Warrior test press vinyl has been played less that your stock Atco vinyl. In which case it is quite possible, that after many plays, your stock Atco has had some of its high frequencies worn away from the vinyl. The high frequency content is one of the first things to go with repeated vinyl play. This could be a reason the test press sounds brighter. From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 10 11:41:46 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:41:46 +0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/03/2011 16:33, mike c wrote: > Please forgive me, I don't want to be misunderstood or thought to be > injecting into things you guys mentioned. > What I meant was simply that the Atco records (vinyl), sound inefrior, > IMHO, and flat. Isn't that because of the hair on the album cover? FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 12:06:20 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:06:20 +0000 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, I might have made a mistake - Might have been HOTMG that split 2 tracks and not WOTEOT. Steve On 10 March 2011 13:52, mike c wrote: > Apologies Mr. Frieght, I had just got up and I thought your were > S.Youles for a second only. > Timing variations according to LP versions as follows > USA versions splits Assault and Golden Void into 5:43 and 4: 28 where > UK is 10:20 > Wizard is 1:58 where UK is 2 > Opa-Loka is 5:07. where UK is 5:40 (now THAT hurts!!!) > The Demented Man is 4:02 where UK is 4:20 > Magnu 8:15 where UK is 8:40 > Standing At Edge is 2:47 where UK is 3:45 > Spiral Galaxy is 3:47 where UK is 3:55 > Warriors is 1:58 where UK is 2:05 > Dying Seas is 3:02 where UK is 3:05 > KOS is 3:29 where UK is 3:25 > > This outrage makes NO sense and I want my REFUNDS!!! all 2 million of > them!!!! > > > > > > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > > Oh are you saying the USA version has things altered so that it can > > have a SHORTER KOS?? > > If that means I've gained elsewhere I am GREAT with that, but is it > > that simple?? > > > > On 3/10/11, Town Idiot wrote: > >> Oh God, Oh God, only a quater cup of coffee : ( > >> > >> On 3/10/11, Steve Freight wrote: > >>> Now this quote is interesting > >>> > >>> *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A > >>> and > >>> B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 > >>> about > >>> track order and fades. > >> > >> Yes that note looks rather sweet to have with the tapes!! thanks for > >> drawing me to your site!! > >> > >>> *If so then why was the version of Motorhead the same as the UK CD with > >>> the > >>> "scratch" in evidence. > >> > >> Treading carefully here, I'm not as keen as I used to be- > >> I have played the Griffin lately, studying the Motorhead version > >> compared to the actual Atco single, and while I always think I hear a > >> "bump noise". NOT a scratch, I would say it is NOT the same as the > >> Dojo version, and it would seem Rob tells truth here!! > >> > >> > >>> I also understood the DOJO version came out first as this was mastered > >>> from > >>> vinyl (I know whose copy of the album was used (and the single)) at > >>> Doug's > >>> request as at the time the mater tapes were not available*. *If it had > >>> been > >>> released after the Griffin version I would not have bought it. > >> > >> I would have thought Douglas could reach up on the shelf and grab a > >> test-prsssing > >> > >> > >>> This does not though answer why the Griffin version has the single > >>> version > >>> of Kings Of Speed instead of the album version. As I've mentioned > before > >>> the > >>> timings of some of the other songs differ to make up the album time as > >>> both > >>> versions are the same length. Think the intro on Dojo version of Magnu > >>> is > >>> longer. > >> > >> > >> AH!! My favorite part, and also the where we enter "taboo-land" "for > >> the sake of discussion" > >> > >> YES there are SEVERAL timing differences, and I am still trying to > >> figure that one out!! ALL other countries seem to be as UK, except > >> Atco > >> > >> THIS brings back what I was saying about the Rock Fever versions- the > >> guy on the UK HW forum was saying the version of KOS was NOT the > >> single version like the Grifffin, BUT THE FULL ORIGINAL > >> Thus leaving that person to further claim that those versions seems to > >> have already been made from another set of masters. > >> > >> I am only repeating "the gossip", NOT claiming any truth in what I > >> repeated, nor promoting bootlegs, but there is a digipak, so is there > >> 3 of those?? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Steve > >>> * > >>> * > >>> On 10 March 2011 00:39, mike coleman wrote: > >>> > >>>> Poor Rob > >>>> He's just got tapes !! :) (and a yellowing piece of paper) > >>>> WILFRIED!!! > >>>> I DEMAND MY SHEET!!!! > >>>> NOW!!!!!~!~! > >>>> > >>>> On 3/9/11, mike coleman wrote: > >>>> > and taking THAT ball and running, THAT could explain why my USA > >>>> > test-pressing is on PRESSWELL records, and sounds SUPERIOR and > >>>> > different than the Atco pressings. > >>>> > Maybe I've GOT the master?? (but I wonder why Motorhead was done by > a > >>>> > diff company?) > >>>> > hehehe > >>>> > Never compared to the Griffin CD. > >>>> > I can also speculate aloud why the Canadian LP press, in particular, > >>>> > alos sounds (to me) unique, with a noiticeable flatish drum-sound. I > >>>> > suppose that is due to the copy process Lucidsound pointed out. > >>>> > It figures (to me), that right after Lucidsound posted, that entire > >>>> > thread "vanished" off my computer, this driving me insane and even a > >>>> > little nervous. > >>>> > hmmm > >>>> > Anyway, thanks for info guys > >>>> > > >>>> > On 3/9/11, Steve Youles wrote: > >>>> >> This doesn't definitely answer Lucidsound's questions, but what Rob > >>>> >> Griffin > >>>> >> (owner of Griffin Records) had to say about it is on this page: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://www.starfarer.net/griffin1.html > >>>> >> > >>>> >> It's located about a third of the way down the page. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> BTW I can't prove this, but I'm sure I saw somewhere some > >>>> >> information > >>>> >> concerning ATCO's release of WOTEOT which would explain why that > >>>> >> album > >>>> >> has never been part of the EMI reissues of 70's Hawkwind albums. > >>>> >> What > >>>> >> I > >>>> >> think I read is that Hawkwind's original UA contract was for 5 > >>>> >> albums, > >>>> >> and > >>>> >> it > >>>> >> thus expired with the release of Hall Of The Mountain Grill. > >>>> >> However, > >>>> >> Hawkwind were separately contracted to ATCO in the USA, and that > >>>> contract > >>>> >> was still running when they came to do WOTEOT - and in fact was the > >>>> >> only > >>>> >> record contract that Hawkwind had at the time. So, the album was > >>>> >> actually > >>>> >> recorded for ATCO, and presumably this means the master tapes were > >>>> ATCO's > >>>> >> property - so they may not be a "copy" at all. And then, once the > >>>> >> album > >>>> >> was > >>>> >> recorded, ATCO licenced it back to EMI for UK (maybe European) > >>>> >> release > >>>> on > >>>> >> a > >>>> >> short-term licencing deal. Which has long since expired, and hence > >>>> >> EMI > >>>> >> has > >>>> >> never had the rights to reissue the album. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Good theory, yeah, but I have no evidence to back it up, > >>>> >> unfortunately. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Cheers > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Steve > >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:25 -0000, lucidsound > > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >>>The Griffin release is quite likely to be sourced from the ATCO > >>>> >>> master > >>>> >>>tapes...however that is not all clear cut. For example, the ATCO > >>>> >>> tapes > >>>> >>> are > >>>> >>>not THE Warrior master tapes, they are a copy. A copy of what? > The > >>>> >>>equalised tape used to master the vinyl? The original stereo > master? > >>>> >>> A > >>>> >>> third > >>>> >>>generation copy? > >>>> >>>Secondly, it could be that the ATCO tape was digitised using a > >>>> >>> standard > >>>> >>>issue DAT, as was quite common for the time and which would impart > a > >>>> >>>not-inconsiderable reduction in quality. And was the release > >>>> >>> properly > >>>> >>>mastered or just copied straight to CD? All of these factors could > >>>> >>> have > >>>> a > >>>> >>>bearing on why the Griffin release does not have the transparency > of > >>>> >>> sound > >>>> >>>that might be expected. > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > >>> > >> > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Mar 10 13:07:23 2011 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:07:23 +0100 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:49 2011-03-10, you wrote: >I also remember buying a vinyl cut out from the US in a London shop that >specialised in such things. > >Whilst I don't have this any more, my abiding memory (and why I got rid of >it) was that there was a gap between Assault and Void separating them as 2 >tracks (an abrupt break, no fades) that pretty much made this unlistenable >to me. This entity has the above mentioned defect: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320668028674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_856 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 14:19:01 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:19:01 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: <4D78FF4A.6020909@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 3/10/11, Mike Holmes wrote: > On 10/03/2011 16:33, mike c wrote: >> Please forgive me, I don't want to be misunderstood or thought to be >> injecting into things you guys mentioned. >> What I meant was simply that the Atco records (vinyl), sound inefrior, >> IMHO, and flat. > > Isn't that because of the hair on the album cover? > > FoFP Actually I think we got shorted in the USA in all ways- No hair, no shield, on and on The hariless copy could now be referred to as the "tapered inner" copy but people switch so beware and there's also the "rounded corner inner" version. I won't have long-hair cats and Bun's come off easily with the carbon-fibre From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 14:21:55 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:21:55 -0600 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: <201103101810.p2AIAV8h013366@sputnik.bktv.se> Message-ID: Without a look, yes I have all 3 pressings of the stock copy and all 3 of the promo. The split is not audible (to me), on the stocks but is there on the DJ (white label) copies so the jock could cut it up. On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 17:49 2011-03-10, you wrote: >>I also remember buying a vinyl cut out from the US in a London shop that >>specialised in such things. >> >>Whilst I don't have this any more, my abiding memory (and why I got rid of >>it) was that there was a gap between Assault and Void separating them as 2 >>tracks (an abrupt break, no fades) that pretty much made this unlistenable >>to me. > > > This entity has the above mentioned defect: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320668028674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_856 > > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 14:27:24 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:27:24 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/10/11, Jamun wrote: > I hazard a guess that your Warrior test press vinyl has been played less > that your stock Atco vinyl. In which case it is quite possible, that after > many plays, your stock Atco has had some of its high frequencies worn away > from the vinyl. The high frequency content is one of the first things to go > with repeated vinyl play. This could be a reason the test press sounds > brighter. > It's STONE and I mean STONE STONE STONE STONE mint, and I know where it came from. I have played it once years ago when I recorded it and I cannot recall if I played it entirely through recently. I have had trillions of Atco copies, including brand new, and they do not sound like this. Maybe a lower quality vinyl used for commercial pressings if not beyond that alone. Ihave just been told by a long time friend that he has parted BOC-L, and until I hear I am not 97% to blame, I think I go back to bed. sunlight ARGHH From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 14:33:36 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:33:36 -0600 Subject: Hawklords double vinyl coming Message-ID: Just been told by my friend that Black Widow records have either just done a double vinyl Hawklords or are in the process. Also, that I am not to blame From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 14:57:24 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:57:24 -0600 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: <201103101810.p2AIAV8h013366@sputnik.bktv.se> Message-ID: On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > This entity has the above mentioned defect: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320668028674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_856 Now THAT's a weird one- I resisted this because I donlt like instantly expensive items and I also think it looks overall shitty, but I am clueless how it could have the gap unless they copied a US DJ copy directly, or simply screwed up?? hmm thanks for that From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Thu Mar 10 15:13:49 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:13:49 -0500 Subject: Hawklords double vinyl coming Message-ID: Hawklords yes. Hawklords 25 year on, no. >From the Black Window website. HAWKLORDS - Barney Bubbles Memorial Benefit Concert 2Lp The Barney Bubbles Memorial Benefit Concert London, November 29th 2009 Harvey Bainbridge Alan Davey Jerry Richards Nik Turner Adrian Shaw Steve Swindells Danny Thompson Ron Tree http://www.blackwidow.it/page.php?pg=future From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 15:24:22 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:24:22 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Listening to a stone mint Atco. Just lacks a certain depth. Flatish percussion. Also, Atco pressings subject to pops and clicks inherent same with the test. and it's just real bright and csipy but not a big deal. On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/10/11, Jamun wrote: >> I hazard a guess that your Warrior test press vinyl has been played less >> that your stock Atco vinyl. In which case it is quite possible, that >> after >> many plays, your stock Atco has had some of its high frequencies worn >> away >> from the vinyl. The high frequency content is one of the first things to >> go >> with repeated vinyl play. This could be a reason the test press sounds >> brighter. >> > > It's STONE and I mean STONE STONE STONE STONE mint, and I know where > it came from. > I have played it once years ago when I recorded it and I cannot recall > if I played it entirely through recently. > I have had trillions of Atco copies, including brand new, and they do > not sound like this. > Maybe a lower quality vinyl used for commercial pressings if not > beyond that alone. > Ihave just been told by a long time friend that he has parted BOC-L, > and until I hear I am not 97% to blame, I think I go back to bed. > sunlight > ARGHH > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 15:31:36 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:31:36 -0600 Subject: Hawklords double vinyl coming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jason, it's on you to put the K back in "BOC-L" I would do it but I can't YOU CAN!!!! On 3/10/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > Hawklords yes. Hawklords 25 year on, no. > > From the Black Window website. > > HAWKLORDS - Barney Bubbles Memorial Benefit Concert 2Lp > The Barney Bubbles Memorial Benefit Concert > London, November 29th 2009 > > Harvey Bainbridge > Alan Davey > Jerry Richards > Nik Turner > Adrian Shaw > Steve Swindells > Danny Thompson > Ron Tree > > http://www.blackwidow.it/page.php?pg=future > From lucidsound at IC24.NET Thu Mar 10 15:38:32 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:38:32 -0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: Don't forget the UK press (the first at any rate) was cut by Porky. And I don't have to tell you what that means. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:24 PM Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) > Listening to a stone mint Atco. > Just lacks a certain depth. Flatish percussion. > Also, Atco pressings subject to pops and clicks inherent > same with the test. > and it's just real bright and csipy but not a big deal. > > > > On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: >> On 3/10/11, Jamun wrote: >>> I hazard a guess that your Warrior test press vinyl has been played less >>> that your stock Atco vinyl. In which case it is quite possible, that >>> after >>> many plays, your stock Atco has had some of its high frequencies worn >>> away >>> from the vinyl. The high frequency content is one of the first things to >>> go >>> with repeated vinyl play. This could be a reason the test press sounds >>> brighter. >>> >> >> It's STONE and I mean STONE STONE STONE STONE mint, and I know where >> it came from. >> I have played it once years ago when I recorded it and I cannot recall >> if I played it entirely through recently. >> I have had trillions of Atco copies, including brand new, and they do >> not sound like this. >> Maybe a lower quality vinyl used for commercial pressings if not >> beyond that alone. >> Ihave just been told by a long time friend that he has parted BOC-L, >> and until I hear I am not 97% to blame, I think I go back to bed. >> sunlight >> ARGHH >> > From lucidsound at IC24.NET Thu Mar 10 15:53:48 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:53:48 -0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) Message-ID: And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucidsound" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) > Don't forget the UK press (the first at any rate) was cut by Porky. And I > don't have to tell you what that means. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike c" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & > Spacerocktrading intro) > > >> Listening to a stone mint Atco. >> Just lacks a certain depth. Flatish percussion. >> Also, Atco pressings subject to pops and clicks inherent >> same with the test. >> and it's just real bright and csipy but not a big deal. >> >> >> >> On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: >>> On 3/10/11, Jamun wrote: >>>> I hazard a guess that your Warrior test press vinyl has been played >>>> less >>>> that your stock Atco vinyl. In which case it is quite possible, that >>>> after >>>> many plays, your stock Atco has had some of its high frequencies worn >>>> away >>>> from the vinyl. The high frequency content is one of the first things >>>> to >>>> go >>>> with repeated vinyl play. This could be a reason the test press sounds >>>> brighter. >>>> >>> >>> It's STONE and I mean STONE STONE STONE STONE mint, and I know where >>> it came from. >>> I have played it once years ago when I recorded it and I cannot recall >>> if I played it entirely through recently. >>> I have had trillions of Atco copies, including brand new, and they do >>> not sound like this. >>> Maybe a lower quality vinyl used for commercial pressings if not >>> beyond that alone. >>> Ihave just been told by a long time friend that he has parted BOC-L, >>> and until I hear I am not 97% to blame, I think I go back to bed. >>> sunlight >>> ARGHH >>> >> > From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Mar 10 17:49:40 2011 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:49:40 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: >And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the >matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. Now we're talking geekery. Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How do I contribute? :0) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 18:24:48 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:24:48 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: WOTEOT master tapes (was Re: Jamun & Spacerocktrading intro) In-Reply-To: <201103102249.p2AMnl4f007438@sputnik.bktv.se> Message-ID: On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: >>And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the >>matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. > > Now we're talking geekery. > Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How > do I contribute? > > :0) You already have, and at such time that Lucidsound takes on such a thing, all could be called upon since it goes SO DEEP, and is SO VAST one need not venture outside the UK to find a mental implosion. Anyone could have another piece. A recent example- I was going through my "current"" stack of Church LP's to discover that a couple of them have the RCA Logo and Cat number printed in off-white or light orange matching the band title, on the spine, as compared to RED or bright pink on the majority. ALL of these are non-textured sun. Also, original jap LPs seem to have just the word "stereo" in red on the spine of the promos, but white on the stocks?? huh?? (on some anyway, in my case Warrior and SR, haven't looked elsewhere) I'm no longer doing this on purpose, I'm too poor..... Incidentally Keith, a sealed copy of that Leviitation on Castle with the title in white on the cover instead of blue, that you pointed out was cut by Porky, came up cheap, and I snatched. The 2 copies I previously owed had some very unpleasant and hard to explain bangs sounding off. I'll probably keep this one as eye-candy. Oh yeah, I think the rounded-inner warrior will be "hairless" but this is more risky, and the rounded corner thing can traverse into the 1st UK single sleeve edition,,,,,,I donlt have either of those again......the "hairless" version also sports a unique label indention not present on the hairline copy with square inner.... From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 10 18:52:54 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:52:54 -0600 Subject: generalised Hawkwind geekery statement Message-ID: In my past life, I did not know anyone else who cared about matrix variations the way I did. I mean I had to keep them when I notced a difference. About a year ago, I was introduced to my "bigger fish" This guy is AMAZING, and I am steadily working on a "friendship" with him, but I can only do so much since I am poor now (of pocket), altough I have been able to tell him and contribute things enough to saty on "the radar". If any of you have something you want to share or ask about I will be happy to run it by him. And of course there is always Wilfried too, who most have heard of. It's simply that this new guy has the ability to seriuosly make us take another step back. Copyrights for god sake?? Speaking CDs here too of course,,,variations, etc No problem for any to mail me on or offlist From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Mar 11 02:15:58 2011 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:15:58 -0800 Subject: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://scimaps.org/submissions/7-digital_libraries/maps/thumbs/024_LG.jpg Silliness...Keith H. From steve.bishop at DB.COM Fri Mar 11 07:27:44 2011 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:27:44 +0000 Subject: :WOTEOT master tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: as people are comparing the griffin cd v dojo v vinyl orig..what about > comparing it to the > 3 tracks on the epoch eclipse triple comp EMI cd->assault and battery-golden > void/magnu/+motorhead(orig b-side vsn)...?? > > ..and does anyone know where THEY were sourced from??? > That would be interesting to find out?! > > p.s.-wonder if HW will still be doing Japan gig..man, 8.9 is one BIG > earthquake! --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for additional corporate and regulatory EU disclosures and to http://www.db.com/unitedkingdom/content/privacy.htm for information about privacy. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 12 14:36:35 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:36:35 -0600 Subject: (OFF) was WOTHEOT, now pure geekspeak Message-ID: On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >> At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: >>>And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the >>>matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. >> >> Now we're talking geekery. >> Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How >> do I contribute? Tell us if QSnC and Astounding exist as Swedish presses!!! My friend has NO MOTU LP's from there, and (until Wilfried says shut up), I believe he mentioned he had 1 version. Don't know what Alfred may have or other kollectors who may lurk. Those MOTU and ANY Swedish stuff has to be very rare. I shared some info on the Fame/Liberty UK reissues of MOTHU I know about, including sticker variants, and the info that came back was enough to short circuit my brain. as I could have expected. I give up?? From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Mar 12 19:29:36 2011 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:36 +0100 Subject: (OFF) was WOTHEOT, now pure geekspeak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20:36 2011-03-12, you wrote: >On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: > > On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >> At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: > >>>And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the > >>>matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. > >> > >> Now we're talking geekery. > >> Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How > >> do I contribute? > >Tell us if QSnC and Astounding exist as Swedish presses!!! >My friend has NO MOTU LP's from there, and (until Wilfried says shut >up), I believe he mentioned he had 1 version. >Don't know what Alfred may have or other kollectors who may lurk. >Those MOTU and ANY Swedish stuff has to be very rare. >I shared some info on the Fame/Liberty UK reissues of MOTHU I know >about, including sticker variants, and the info that came back was >enough to short circuit my brain. as I could have expected. >I give up?? I haven't seen any Swedish QS&C. But on the other hand, I've haven't been aware of what the n(c)b sign is saying until just recently. The 25-Years-On and PXR5 n(c)b labels has just been another label variations for me, and a n(c)b label of QS&C *could* have slipped through my hands in the early years of my Hawk Kollecting. The MOTU's is one typical n(c)b, while the other one clearly says "MADE IN SWEDEN" in very small letters above the UA logo on label. And the n(c)b is there too. I believe Wilfreids copy is plain n(c)b. Both these entitys has sleeves that also are printed in Sweden. Back side, down right is an almost unseeable black logo sign on dark background of the SIB TRYCK TUMBA plant. SIB TRYCK was the maker of almost all swedish album sleeves in the 70 and 80:ies. Nowadays they're printing other stuff. http://www.sibtryck.se/ There's no sign of Swedish made sleeves for the 25-Years-On and PXR5 records. Of course there's the van der Graaf combo too, in the Swedish saga of HW vinyls. Those are the only Swedish entities I'm aware of. Don't you think we need a special forum for geekspeak like this? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Mar 12 19:38:41 2011 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:38:41 +0100 Subject: (OFF) was WOTHEOT, now pure geekspeak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On this Swedish Nick Mason back sleeve, there's the small SIB TRYCK TUMBA logo sign in the same position, down right, as my both MOTU's. http://www.pinkfloydarchives.com/Discog/Sweden/LP/Solo/Mason/FS/BC.jpg -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 13 07:51:06 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:51:06 -0600 Subject: (OFF) was WOTHEOT, now pure geekspeak In-Reply-To: <201103130029.p2D0Td3X018789@sputnik.bktv.se> Message-ID: On 3/12/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 20:36 2011-03-12, you wrote: >>On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: >> > On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >> >> At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: >> >>>And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the >> >>>matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. >> >> >> >> Now we're talking geekery. >> >> Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How >> >> do I contribute? >> >>Tell us if QSnC and Astounding exist as Swedish presses!!! >>My friend has NO MOTU LP's from there, and (until Wilfried says shut >>up), I believe he mentioned he had 1 version. >>Don't know what Alfred may have or other kollectors who may lurk. >>Those MOTU and ANY Swedish stuff has to be very rare. >>I shared some info on the Fame/Liberty UK reissues of MOTHU I know >>about, including sticker variants, and the info that came back was >>enough to short circuit my brain. as I could have expected. >>I give up?? > > I haven't seen any Swedish QS&C. > But on the other hand, I've haven't been aware of what the n(c)b sign > is saying until just recently. > The 25-Years-On and PXR5 n(c)b labels has just been another label > variations for me, and a n(c)b label of QS&C *could* have slipped > through my hands in the early years of my Hawk Kollecting. > > The MOTU's is one typical n(c)b, while the other one clearly says > "MADE IN SWEDEN" in very small letters above the UA logo on label. > And the n(c)b is there too. I believe Wilfreids copy is plain n(c)b. > Both these entitys has sleeves that also are printed in Sweden. Back > side, down right is an almost unseeable black logo sign on dark > background of the SIB TRYCK TUMBA plant. SIB TRYCK was the maker of > almost all swedish album sleeves in the 70 and 80:ies. Nowadays > they're printing other stuff. > http://www.sibtryck.se/ > There's no sign of Swedish made sleeves for the 25-Years-On and PXR5 > records. > > Of course there's the van der Graaf combo too, in the Swedish saga of > HW vinyls. > > > Those are the only Swedish entities I'm aware of. > > > Don't you think we need a special forum for geekspeak like this? Yes but thanks SOOO much for the brilliant job here. Your answer is (IMO), a work of art to be admired by all From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 13 08:23:43 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:23:43 -0600 Subject: (OFF) was WOTHEOT, now pure geekspeak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Corrert me if I am wrong, but when "someone" was trying to make me "feel better" about having been too poor to get his spare Sweden/Norwegian/Planet Mars "Hawklords" LP, and a passification attempt was made about how there was nothing unique "going on", I came back with '"Isn't that a tapered edge on the inner?" On 3/13/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/12/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >> At 20:36 2011-03-12, you wrote: >>>On 3/10/11, mike c wrote: >>> > On 3/10/11, Johan Edlundh wrote: >>> >> At 21:53 2011-03-10, you wrote: >>> >>>And which brings me back to thinking about a database of all the >>> >>>matrix numbers and dead-wax comments. >>> >> >>> >> Now we're talking geekery. >>> >> Add label variations, foreign pressings and sleeve differences - How >>> >> do I contribute? >>> >>>Tell us if QSnC and Astounding exist as Swedish presses!!! >>>My friend has NO MOTU LP's from there, and (until Wilfried says shut >>>up), I believe he mentioned he had 1 version. >>>Don't know what Alfred may have or other kollectors who may lurk. >>>Those MOTU and ANY Swedish stuff has to be very rare. >>>I shared some info on the Fame/Liberty UK reissues of MOTHU I know >>>about, including sticker variants, and the info that came back was >>>enough to short circuit my brain. as I could have expected. >>>I give up?? >> >> I haven't seen any Swedish QS&C. >> But on the other hand, I've haven't been aware of what the n(c)b sign >> is saying until just recently. >> The 25-Years-On and PXR5 n(c)b labels has just been another label >> variations for me, and a n(c)b label of QS&C *could* have slipped >> through my hands in the early years of my Hawk Kollecting. >> >> The MOTU's is one typical n(c)b, while the other one clearly says >> "MADE IN SWEDEN" in very small letters above the UA logo on label. >> And the n(c)b is there too. I believe Wilfreids copy is plain n(c)b. >> Both these entitys has sleeves that also are printed in Sweden. Back >> side, down right is an almost unseeable black logo sign on dark >> background of the SIB TRYCK TUMBA plant. SIB TRYCK was the maker of >> almost all swedish album sleeves in the 70 and 80:ies. Nowadays >> they're printing other stuff. >> http://www.sibtryck.se/ >> There's no sign of Swedish made sleeves for the 25-Years-On and PXR5 >> records. >> >> Of course there's the van der Graaf combo too, in the Swedish saga of >> HW vinyls. >> >> >> Those are the only Swedish entities I'm aware of. >> >> >> Don't you think we need a special forum for geekspeak like this? > > Yes but thanks SOOO much for the brilliant job here. Your answer is > (IMO), a work of art to be admired by all > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 13 09:57:28 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:57:28 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 13, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #258). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #258) Louis Davey ? ?Subconscious? (from Last Chance Of A Lifetime) Stella Polaris ? ?So What If They?ve Got Tee Shirts In Denmark? (from Stella Polaris) Albedo 0 ? ?Desert Siren? (from 3) Vibravoid ? ?No Silver Bird? (from Roqueting Through Space) The Chemistry Set ? ?The World Is Hollow And I Touched The Sky? (from Fruits de Mer Vol 17: A Phase We Went Through) Zombies Of The Stratosphere ? ?Century Schoolbook? (from Fruits de Mer Vol 17: A Phase We Went Through) OSIRIS THE REBIRTH SET Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Look to the Future? (from forthcoming new album Lost) Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Starseed? (from forthcoming new album Lost) Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Planetscape? (from forthcoming new album Lost) Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Siren? (from Remnants of Life) Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Karmic Vortex? (from Remnants of Life) Huw Lloyd-Langton ? ?19th Century Anonymous ?Romanza?? (from Classical Guitar Tales) Huw Lloyd-Langton ? ?Hard Graft (Part 2)? (from Hard Graft) Auroris ? ?Jettison? (from Outpost) Auroris ? ?Great Leaps Of Faith? (from Failed Gods & Beliefs) The Moor ? ?Memoirs of Rossum III: Finale [?ber alles]? (from Memoirs of Rossum) Darkstarcruiser ? ?Dance of the Whirling Dervishes? (from Stargazer) Global Trancemission ? ?Crossing The Sea of Wyrd? (from Opening The Cosmic Gate) We Could Build An Empire ? ?Dogs? (from We Could Build An Empire) Nog Cavanagh ? ?King Arachno? (from Sombre Castles of Desire) http://Aural-Innovations.com From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 13 11:52:39 2011 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:52:39 -0400 Subject: Melbourne videos on YouTube... Message-ID: I've just found these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahDLyEAfSo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDCBn1yOpk&feature=related Steve. From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Mar 13 12:20:20 2011 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:20:20 +0100 Subject: Melbourne videos on YouTube... In-Reply-To: <8CDAFADD048B239-16D8-18450@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steve !!! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Melbourne videos on YouTube... I've just found these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahDLyEAfSo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDCBn1yOpk&feature=related Steve. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 00:03:06 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:03:06 +0800 Subject: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? In-Reply-To: <513587.99893.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If it is, it wakes, but an interesting mind map. On 11 March 2011 15:15, Keith Henderson wrote: > http://scimaps.org/submissions/7-digital_libraries/maps/thumbs/024_LG.jpg > > Silliness...Keith H. > > > > From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 07:16:56 2011 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:16:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It has Jack Vance in the Space Opera bit, but misses him in the Fantasy bit which disappears off to 'Harry Potter'!. Moorcock appears twice and Dying Earth is at least as influential as Moorcock albeit in a different way. > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:03:06 +0800 > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > If it is, it wakes, but an interesting mind map. > > On 11 March 2011 15:15, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > http://scimaps.org/submissions/7-digital_libraries/maps/thumbs/024_LG.jpg > > > > Silliness...Keith H. > > > > > > > > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 07:30:10 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:30:10 +0800 Subject: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The* Dying Earth *is a C20 classic. Jack Vance was brilliant-- he has a unique style and sense of humour. He didn't even like science fiction, either! On 14 March 2011 19:16, Edmund Clout wrote: > It has Jack Vance in the Space Opera bit, but misses him in the Fantasy bit > which disappears off to 'Harry Potter'!. Moorcock appears twice and Dying > Earth is at least as influential as Moorcock albeit in a different way. > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:03:06 +0800 > > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Wot the 'ell? Is that a Kraken? > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > If it is, it wakes, but an interesting mind map. > > > > On 11 March 2011 15:15, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > > > > http://scimaps.org/submissions/7-digital_libraries/maps/thumbs/024_LG.jpg > > > > > > Silliness...Keith H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 13:27:29 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:27:29 +0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead Message-ID: Following previous mails I have re-listened to the Griffin version on headphones and I can definitely hear a scratch around 6-9 seconds and again at around 16-19 seconds in. I have also listened to the version on the single disc edition of Epoch and can also hear the second scratch 9althouth it is a totally different sound (much more high end sound to me). but not really the first as it is hidden by that terrible motor bike addition. I therefore stand by my original comments that the Griffin CD has the vinyl mastered Motorhead on it (unless there are 2 runs of the CD perhaps with the latter having the "master"included)? I also think that Andy G (or a review somewhere) included this info in it as I think Doug (and those that mastered the vinyl) had to supply this to Griffin Listened to the whole of epoch again and quite amazed 9again) at the litlle (and not subtle) additions and changes to the songs on here. Hopefully it is not my hearing! Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 13:36:44 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:36:44 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Super great Steve. I have always thought the Griiffin Motorhead was from vinyl (for some reason), and the last time I was comparing without headphones, could only hear a bump noise (so my mind thinks, near start) which I left "unsolved" and figured it was maybe simply due to being such a clear recording as compared to the crackle of my single. There ARE 2 veresions of this disc One with "psychedelic ring" and one without. I have them OH GAWD On 3/14/11, Steve Freight wrote: > Following previous mails I have re-listened to the Griffin version on > headphones and I can definitely hear a scratch around 6-9 seconds and again > at around 16-19 seconds in. > > I have also listened to the version on the single disc edition of Epoch and > can also hear the second scratch 9althouth it is a totally different sound > (much more high end sound to me). but not really the first as it is hidden > by that terrible motor bike addition. > > I therefore stand by my original comments that the Griffin CD has the vinyl > mastered Motorhead on it (unless there are 2 runs of the CD perhaps with the > latter having the "master"included)? I also think that Andy G (or a review > somewhere) included this info in it as I think Doug (and those that mastered > the vinyl) had to supply this to Griffin > > Listened to the whole of epoch again and quite amazed 9again) at the litlle > (and not subtle) additions and changes to the songs on here. > > Hopefully it is not my hearing! > > Steve > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 13:37:20 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:37:20 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So Godwin is a Liar?? On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: > Super great Steve. I have always thought the Griiffin Motorhead was > from vinyl (for some reason), and the last time I was comparing > without headphones, could only hear a bump noise (so my mind thinks, > near start) which I left "unsolved" and figured it was maybe simply > due to being such a clear recording as compared to the crackle of my > single. > There ARE 2 veresions of this disc > One with "psychedelic ring" and one without. I have them > OH GAWD > > On 3/14/11, Steve Freight wrote: >> Following previous mails I have re-listened to the Griffin version on >> headphones and I can definitely hear a scratch around 6-9 seconds and >> again >> at around 16-19 seconds in. >> >> I have also listened to the version on the single disc edition of Epoch >> and >> can also hear the second scratch 9althouth it is a totally different >> sound >> (much more high end sound to me). but not really the first as it is >> hidden >> by that terrible motor bike addition. >> >> I therefore stand by my original comments that the Griffin CD has the >> vinyl >> mastered Motorhead on it (unless there are 2 runs of the CD perhaps with >> the >> latter having the "master"included)? I also think that Andy G (or a >> review >> somewhere) included this info in it as I think Doug (and those that >> mastered >> the vinyl) had to supply this to Griffin >> >> Listened to the whole of epoch again and quite amazed 9again) at the >> litlle >> (and not subtle) additions and changes to the songs on here. >> >> Hopefully it is not my hearing! >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >> > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Mar 14 13:53:04 2011 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:53:04 -0500 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Master I was referring too was for the main album, not the Bonus track! On 3/14/2011 12:37 PM, mike c wrote: > So Godwin is a Liar?? > > On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: >> Super great Steve. I have always thought the Griiffin Motorhead was >> from vinyl (for some reason), and the last time I was comparing >> without headphones, could only hear a bump noise (so my mind thinks, >> near start) which I left "unsolved" and figured it was maybe simply >> due to being such a clear recording as compared to the crackle of my >> single. >> There ARE 2 veresions of this disc >> One with "psychedelic ring" and one without. I have them >> OH GAWD >> >> On 3/14/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>> Following previous mails I have re-listened to the Griffin version on >>> headphones and I can definitely hear a scratch around 6-9 seconds and >>> again >>> at around 16-19 seconds in. >>> >>> I have also listened to the version on the single disc edition of Epoch >>> and >>> can also hear the second scratch 9althouth it is a totally different >>> sound >>> (much more high end sound to me). but not really the first as it is >>> hidden >>> by that terrible motor bike addition. >>> >>> I therefore stand by my original comments that the Griffin CD has the >>> vinyl >>> mastered Motorhead on it (unless there are 2 runs of the CD perhaps with >>> the >>> latter having the "master"included)? I also think that Andy G (or a >>> review >>> somewhere) included this info in it as I think Doug (and those that >>> mastered >>> the vinyl) had to supply this to Griffin >>> >>> Listened to the whole of epoch again and quite amazed 9again) at the >>> litlle >>> (and not subtle) additions and changes to the songs on here. >>> >>> Hopefully it is not my hearing! >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -- >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>> From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 13:58:13 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:58:13 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: <4D7E5600.6030104@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 3/14/11, Rich W wrote: > The Master I was referring too was for the main album, not the Bonus track! I thought I read Rob on Starfarer's link, saying the master to Motorhead was also included when he got the tapes from New Yahk....(including the single version of KOS) I'll dig my copies out later and see if I have anything to report. From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Mar 14 14:01:00 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:01:00 -0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead Message-ID: The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of Kings of Speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich W" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:53 PM Subject: Re: WOTEOT - Motorhead > The Master I was referring too was for the main album, not the Bonus > track! > > On 3/14/2011 12:37 PM, mike c wrote: >> So Godwin is a Liar?? >> >> On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: >>> Super great Steve. I have always thought the Griiffin Motorhead was >>> from vinyl (for some reason), and the last time I was comparing >>> without headphones, could only hear a bump noise (so my mind thinks, >>> near start) which I left "unsolved" and figured it was maybe simply >>> due to being such a clear recording as compared to the crackle of my >>> single. >>> There ARE 2 veresions of this disc >>> One with "psychedelic ring" and one without. I have them >>> OH GAWD >>> >>> On 3/14/11, Steve Freight wrote: >>>> Following previous mails I have re-listened to the Griffin version on >>>> headphones and I can definitely hear a scratch around 6-9 seconds and >>>> again >>>> at around 16-19 seconds in. >>>> >>>> I have also listened to the version on the single disc edition of Epoch >>>> and >>>> can also hear the second scratch 9althouth it is a totally different >>>> sound >>>> (much more high end sound to me). but not really the first as it is >>>> hidden >>>> by that terrible motor bike addition. >>>> >>>> I therefore stand by my original comments that the Griffin CD has the >>>> vinyl >>>> mastered Motorhead on it (unless there are 2 runs of the CD perhaps >>>> with >>>> the >>>> latter having the "master"included)? I also think that Andy G (or a >>>> review >>>> somewhere) included this info in it as I think Doug (and those that >>>> mastered >>>> the vinyl) had to supply this to Griffin >>>> >>>> Listened to the whole of epoch again and quite amazed 9again) at the >>>> litlle >>>> (and not subtle) additions and changes to the songs on here. >>>> >>>> Hopefully it is not my hearing! >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 14:10:53 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:10:53 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: <7B273305415F42C992FAB693F9F8A852@Magdallen> Message-ID: On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: > The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of Kings > of Speed. Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than even the "standard" version?? I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 14:16:34 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:16:34 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess the "chops" were done for some reason when the USA LP pressing was done.... and I "guess" the timings match except with KOS..... ? On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: >> The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of >> Kings >> of Speed. > > Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all > those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are > correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then > "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than > even the "standard" version?? > I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught > it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? > I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! > From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Mar 14 14:26:41 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:26:41 -0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead Message-ID: What we need is someone with an original ATCO vinyl to verify the version of Kings Of Speed. It is entirely possible that they chose to use that version on the LP. They can't have copied it from the Dojo because that has the long version, they could however have copied the Motorhead from it. Am I right in thinking that Motorhead was never released on ATCO as the B'side? Wasn't it a mono/stereo job for Kings Of Speed? Which would explain why Rob doesn't have them, because ATCO never had them. So if they don't, then who does? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:16 PM Subject: Re: WOTEOT - Motorhead >I guess the "chops" were done for some reason when the USA LP pressing > was done.... > and I "guess" the timings match except with KOS..... > ? > > On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: >> On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: >>> The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of >>> Kings >>> of Speed. >> >> Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all >> those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are >> correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then >> "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than >> even the "standard" version?? >> I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught >> it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? >> I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! >> > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 14:27:10 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:27:10 +0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes I was referring to starfarers comments and had posted this comment before *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A and B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about track order and fades. * Uk CD has an extended break in the middle of KOS - which I have always hated BTW one of the reasons I prefer teh Griffin version is that the shorter single version of the song is included. The mystery remains therefore as to why the vinyl version of Motorhead was used if it's on the master tapes. Steve On 14 March 2011 18:10, mike c wrote: > On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: > > The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of > Kings > > of Speed. > > Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all > those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are > correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then > "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than > even the "standard" version?? > I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught > it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? > I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Mar 14 14:55:11 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:55:11 -0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead Message-ID: Rob could be quite correct if he meant the A and B sides of the single (ie the US single) being Mono and Stereo versions of Kings Of Speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Freight" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: WOTEOT - Motorhead Yes I was referring to starfarers comments and had posted this comment before *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A and B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about track order and fades. * Uk CD has an extended break in the middle of KOS - which I have always hated BTW one of the reasons I prefer teh Griffin version is that the shorter single version of the song is included. The mystery remains therefore as to why the vinyl version of Motorhead was used if it's on the master tapes. Steve On 14 March 2011 18:10, mike c wrote: > On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: > > The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of > Kings > > of Speed. > > Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all > those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are > correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then > "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than > even the "standard" version?? > I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught > it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? > I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From lucidsound at IC24.NET Mon Mar 14 14:59:43 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:59:43 -0000 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead Message-ID: Your honour, I call my first witness: http://www.raresoulman.co.uk/index.php/d/135128/HAWKWIND ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucidsound" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: Re: WOTEOT - Motorhead > Rob could be quite correct if he meant the A and B sides of the single (ie > the US single) being Mono and Stereo versions of Kings Of Speed. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Freight" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: WOTEOT - Motorhead > > > Yes I was referring to starfarers comments and had posted this comment > before > > *When they arrived I was delighted to see that they also included the A > and > B side of the single as well as Dave?s hand-written notes from 1975 about > track order and fades. > * > Uk CD has an extended break in the middle of KOS - which I have always > hated > BTW one of the reasons I prefer teh Griffin version is that the shorter > single version of the song is included. > > The mystery remains therefore as to why the vinyl version of Motorhead was > used if it's on the master tapes. > > Steve > > On 14 March 2011 18:10, mike c wrote: > >> On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: >> > The master which apparently did not include the full-length version of >> Kings >> > of Speed. >> >> Right. That's the way I have it in my "mind". But just think, if all >> those little timing shortages I reported off the Atco inner are >> correct, unless Griffin somehow did a bunch of restoration, then >> "technically"we have a bunch of chopped material and a LONGER Kos than >> even the "standard" version?? >> I realise if this were actually the case, somebody would have caught >> it, but since it is the Atco masters, what IS on the CD??? >> I never claimed to know THIS stuff!! >> > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 17:17:58 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:17:58 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: <51A66BC47F6B49F1A6FB5DD7997C4A30@Magdallen> Message-ID: On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: > Your honour, I call my first witness: > > http://www.raresoulman.co.uk/index.php/d/135128/HAWKWIND back for a min - Looks like Steve confirmed the Griffin CD has the short KOS (or at least ONE of the Griffins does!!), so now, I suppose it's going to be on me to finally figure out the long version versus short and just check what the LP version actually is. To answer Keith, YES, IT EXISTS, and if anybody is holding a "minty" and wants to trade or sell something I am interested. Mine went to Germany, it was a label variant needed. If you have one of those collector books that came with the Warrior available, there should be an image there. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 18:28:01 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:28:01 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok after a very stressful dig, I found my Griffin Warriors and confirm both have the scratch as indicated by Steve. I thought there MIGHT have been some discrepancy as to the exact moment they sound off, but they are there- On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: >> Your honour, I call my first witness: >> >> http://www.raresoulman.co.uk/index.php/d/135128/HAWKWIND > > back for a min - > Looks like Steve confirmed the Griffin CD has the short KOS (or at > least ONE of the Griffins does!!), so now, I suppose it's going to be > on me to finally figure out the long version versus short and just > check what the LP version actually is. > To answer Keith, YES, IT EXISTS, and if anybody is holding a "minty" > and wants to trade or sell something I am interested. Mine went to > Germany, it was a label variant needed. > If you have one of those collector books that came with the Warrior > available, there should be an image there. > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 14 23:47:12 2011 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:47:12 +0800 Subject: Sydney Message-ID: Hi all Had a great week and a bit in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. Of course the highlight was seeing Hawkwind on the Friday night. My recording of the gig turned out okay (listening to it now) Completed track list is as below as will appear on the CDs: Hawkwind - Sydney University - Manning Bar 11/03/2011 Brock/Chadwick/Dibbs/Hone/Blake CD1 - Intro/Warriors/Assault and Battery/Golden Void/Where Are You Now/Flying Doctor/Star Cannibal/Parasites Are here On Earth/ Prometheus/Spirit Of The Aged/Sentinel. CD2 - You'd better Believe It/Blood Of The Earth/Angels Of Death/Wraith/Tide Of The Century/Psychedelic Warlords/ Hassan I Sahbah - Space is Their-Hassan I Sahbah/Crowd Noise/Silver Machine Cheers Bill From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 15 00:52:18 2011 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:52:18 -0700 Subject: HW: Sydney/Asia tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey... Is the band still going to Japan next month? Kawasaki is just south of Tokyo, so perhaps it's "OK" there, but I would think the whole country is rather fubar, travel in/out wise. Just wondering...would be too bad if not, as I suppose those folks don't see such concerts that often from 'western' bands outside the mainstream...or otherwise, Spinal Tap and the entire Deep Purple Family Tree notwithstanding. Keith From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 15 06:16:04 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:16:04 +0000 Subject: Sydney In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15/03/2011 03:47, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Hi all > > Had a great week and a bit in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. Of course the highlight was seeing Hawkwind on the Friday night. > > My recording of the gig turned out okay (listening to it now) > Completed track list is as below as will appear on the CDs: > > Hawkwind - Sydney University - Manning Bar > 11/03/2011 > Brock/Chadwick/Dibbs/Hone/Blake > > CD1 - Intro/Warriors/Assault and Battery/Golden Void/Where Are You Now/Flying Doctor/Star Cannibal/Parasites Are here On Earth/ > Prometheus/Spirit Of The Aged/Sentinel. > CD2 - You'd better Believe It/Blood Of The Earth/Angels Of Death/Wraith/Tide Of The Century/Psychedelic Warlords/ > Hassan I Sahbah - Space is Their-Hassan I Sahbah/Crowd Noise/Silver Machine Great to see Where Are They Now? back in the set. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Mar 15 06:46:57 2011 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:46:57 -0500 Subject: Sydney In-Reply-To: <4D7F3C64.1020801@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I Love that song so much! On 3/15/2011 5:16 AM, Mike Holmes wrote: > On 15/03/2011 03:47, Bill & Cynthia wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Had a great week and a bit in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. Of >> course the highlight was seeing Hawkwind on the Friday night. >> >> My recording of the gig turned out okay (listening to it now) >> Completed track list is as below as will appear on the CDs: >> >> Hawkwind - Sydney University - Manning Bar >> 11/03/2011 >> Brock/Chadwick/Dibbs/Hone/Blake >> >> CD1 - Intro/Warriors/Assault and Battery/Golden Void/Where Are You >> Now/Flying Doctor/Star Cannibal/Parasites Are here On Earth/ >> Prometheus/Spirit Of The Aged/Sentinel. >> CD2 - You'd better Believe It/Blood Of The Earth/Angels Of >> Death/Wraith/Tide Of The Century/Psychedelic Warlords/ >> Hassan I Sahbah - Space is Their-Hassan I Sahbah/Crowd Noise/Silver >> Machine > > Great to see Where Are They Now? back in the set. > > FoFP > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Mar 15 10:55:09 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:55:09 -0400 Subject: Sydney In-Reply-To: <4D7F3C64.1020801@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I agree -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Holmes Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:16 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Sydney On 15/03/2011 03:47, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Hi all > > Had a great week and a bit in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. Of course the highlight was seeing Hawkwind on the Friday night. > > My recording of the gig turned out okay (listening to it now) > Completed track list is as below as will appear on the CDs: > > Hawkwind - Sydney University - Manning Bar > 11/03/2011 > Brock/Chadwick/Dibbs/Hone/Blake > > CD1 - Intro/Warriors/Assault and Battery/Golden Void/Where Are You > Now/Flying Doctor/Star Cannibal/Parasites Are here On Earth/ Prometheus/Spirit Of The Aged/Sentinel. > CD2 - You'd better Believe It/Blood Of The Earth/Angels Of > Death/Wraith/Tide Of The Century/Psychedelic Warlords/ Hassan I Sahbah > - Space is Their-Hassan I Sahbah/Crowd Noise/Silver Machine Great to see Where Are They Now? back in the set. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 15 17:06:55 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:06:55 +0000 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, mike coleman wrote: > After several listens so far (embarrassing I'm no longer in the front lines > getting stuff), here's my take- > PRETTY BLOODY GREAT > If I were to point at something negative for me, it would be that the > percussion is too busy on "Sweet Obsession" > In opposition to some commentators I've seen, I LOVE the inclusion of "You > Better Believe It", I think it is superb, and I am very used to being drawn > back to earlier material and I liked being reconnected here, and I like the > way it goes straight into some ambient freak-out... > to me, the highlight of the album is Prometheus.....AWESOME!@!! > Unfortunately Starshine is also fantastic so if your format lacks it you are > handicapped. > the end > another wonderful piece of Hawk clothing for my soul. It took me bloody ages to get hold of this, not least because I left it a bit late on the 2CD version and the first few places on Amazon that had it turned out not to... Same old, same old. But I did get it, and then with some reluctance also the single CD version to make sure I had `Starshine', and so I can now say something about what I think of the album. (I realise that there's another bonus track on the vinyl, but, eh, not quite Kollectory enough, sorry.) Firstly, as regards the main album I have to agree with everyone who's said that all the rock action here is coming from Dibs. I'm not going to count `You'd Better Believe It' or even `Sweet Obsession' because they're reworks, which I wish the band would stop doing--I can't believe they were short of material and neither of these are improvements of the original to my ears. Nothing wrong with them, but they are substantially filler because I don't find anything in them to keep me tuned in. (Neither were my favourite songs in the first place, I should say, I will sometimes skip YBBI on HotMG in any case. I don't like the middle space where Hawkwind tried to give its blanga tunes.) The Dibs tracks are not just Spacehead leftovers, that's for sure, though the style is unmistakably similar; they might count as Krel leftovers but that would be a different thing. I think I agree with Mike above that `Prometheus' is the stand-out (and least like Dibs's normal output) but I think that `Sentinel' would have been if it came earlier in the album; by the time we reach it we've already had `Wraith', which is ploughing the same sort of mood albeit faster, and it seems as if `Sentinel' is just more of the same, whereas I think it's actually one of Dib's finer moments, emotional but bleak and quite complex to figure out. I loved this live and I still like it here. As to the others, well, I can't get very excited about any of Niall's material I'm afraid. Tim's `Inner Visions' is the real stuff, but is it real Blake or real HW? Is there a difference at the moment? Tim's hands are all over this album, and that's no bad thing in as much as the production is markedly better than on TMTYL, less bedroomy and more roomy if you see what I mean. The most distinctive piece all round, I think, is `Comfy Chair', which is actually proof that Dave still has a peculiar kind of genius--it's musically enveloping, almost claustrophobically dense and the sense moves through the lines so slowly that your heartrate probably halves while listening to it--but it's not rubbish, however sentimental it may be, and neither is it simple or dull. It also definitely sounds as if it belongs on the album, at the opposite end from the melodrama of `Prometheus' and `Inner Visions'. (The two reworks *don't* sound like they belong here, precisely because they were created by different bands; this band has its own chemistry and cooperation going on that would not have generated these songs. Hidden in there, I suppose, is a compliment about how fresh and current this album sounds, however we may or may not like its songs.) Between the two styles, for those that have it, is `Starshine', which is largely jammed as far as I can tell and functions as a kind of extended outtro to the album. It *is* very nice, able and not dull, but doesn't have a lot of meaningful content to it and was I think rightly relegated to bonus trackdom, where it does the job well.; the version of the album without it seems to end rather abruptly by comparison. So, in short, my hopes for the future out of this album: let Tim stay involved in the production, everything will sound more professional as a result; let Dibs write all the Krel-like songs he can, the band needs more new ROCK and he appears to be where it's coming from; I wouldn't be completely sorry to see Richard a bit further forward in the song-writing again, if we must have would-be-dance like `Sweet Obsession' at least it can be new and entertaining like `Angela Android'; and my challenge to Niall Hone would be, make it clear what you sound like on the next album, because this one leaves me with very little idea. It does seem quite likely that there will *be* a next album, though, and in that I guess he has his share of credit. The live mini-album that is the bonus disc on the 2CD set, meanwhile, is storming and very much worth having, not least because of the blistering Motorhead-paced cover of Syd Barrett's `Long Gone', completely unexpected and extremely impressive. This, I assume, is what Niall's input sounds like in which case, let's have more of it, or was it Dibs? Either way. `Wraith' sounds better live--typical Hawkwind to release a version of a new studio song that surpasses the stduio recording almost straight away--and all the other songs there fit well into the current sound and are not dithered over. The closing self-interview is *almost* unlistenably incoherent but does make it very clear that this band, as a bunch of people condemned to spend a lot of time together, works, which has not always been the case I guess, and just for that is nice to have. That's my however-many-pennyworth, anyhow, yours all, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 15 18:21:23 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:21:23 -0400 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) Message-ID: BOTE cannot be taken out of context. It is a Hawkwind album and as such, has to be compared with other Hawkwind albums. If we do such a comparison we can see that compared with the Golden age of Hawkwind albums: "Hawkwind", "Doremi Fasol Latido", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", "Space Ritual", "X In Search Of Space", "Warrior on the Edge of Time", "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music", "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" BOTE doesnt hold up. Then compared with the Silver age: "25 Years On", "PXR5", "Levitation", "Sonic Attack", "Church of Hawkwind", "Choose Your Masques", "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" it also doesnt hold up. In the bronze age its beaten by "Electric Tepee". Infact I would go as far as to say its only better than "Distant Horizons". Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, but I would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock trademarked the name Hawkwind he can basically release anything under that name. But is it really Hawkwind, that is the question? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 15 19:51:46 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:51:46 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/15/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > BOTE cannot be taken out of context. It is a Hawkwind album and as such, has > to be compared with other Hawkwind albums. If we do such a comparison we can > see that compared with the Golden age of Hawkwind albums: "Hawkwind", > "Doremi Fasol Latido", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", "Space Ritual", "X In > Search Of Space", "Warrior on the Edge of Time", "Astounding Sounds, Amazing > Music", "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" BOTE doesnt hold up. Then compared > with the Silver age: "25 Years On", "PXR5", "Levitation", "Sonic Attack", > "Church of Hawkwind", "Choose Your Masques", "The Chronicle of the Black > Sword" it also doesnt hold up. In the bronze age its beaten by "Electric > Tepee". Infact I would go as far as to say its only better than "Distant > Horizons". Interesting comparisons- My own input is that: "it is like the insert card that came in some or all of the first batch of Starfield: "Return To Earth" CDs. ....what age was Keith's era?? The Yule Ritual tried to give me whiplash when I played it last time I have a different opinion about "Distant Horizons" myself but I am OK to keep this to myself. My own answer to the BIG question is "Yes, it's really always been Dave's band at the root, nevermind we might all like life to be less severe and more harmonious" I would say, representing myself as a voice for other fans on a whim,..."ohhh, we donlt go THERE anymore...not much anyway".....we don't want our litle sumpin' sumpin' special messed with (but as you know I'd be cool with Nik having one last shot as a guest on flute and whatever) and with that I go back to my nicotine withdrawl that isnlt so bad with patch > Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. > > It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, but I > would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock trademarked the name > Hawkwind he can basically release anything under that name. But is it really > Hawkwind, that is the question? > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Mar 16 10:07:12 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:07:12 -0400 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hear the resemblance to Distant Horizons, which I love, so that's cool with me. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:52 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (HW) BOTE (my review) On 3/15/11, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > BOTE cannot be taken out of context. It is a Hawkwind album and as > such, has to be compared with other Hawkwind albums. If we do such a > comparison we can see that compared with the Golden age of Hawkwind > albums: "Hawkwind", "Doremi Fasol Latido", "Hall of the Mountain > Grill", "Space Ritual", "X In Search Of Space", "Warrior on the Edge > of Time", "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music", "Quark, Strangeness and > Charm" BOTE doesnt hold up. Then compared with the Silver age: "25 > Years On", "PXR5", "Levitation", "Sonic Attack", "Church of Hawkwind", > "Choose Your Masques", "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" it also > doesnt hold up. In the bronze age its beaten by "Electric Tepee". > Infact I would go as far as to say its only better than "Distant Horizons". Interesting comparisons- My own input is that: "it is like the insert card that came in some or all of the first batch of Starfield: "Return To Earth" CDs. ....what age was Keith's era?? The Yule Ritual tried to give me whiplash when I played it last time I have a different opinion about "Distant Horizons" myself but I am OK to keep this to myself. My own answer to the BIG question is "Yes, it's really always been Dave's band at the root, nevermind we might all like life to be less severe and more harmonious" I would say, representing myself as a voice for other fans on a whim,..."ohhh, we donlt go THERE anymore...not much anyway".....we don't want our litle sumpin' sumpin' special messed with (but as you know I'd be cool with Nik having one last shot as a guest on flute and whatever) and with that I go back to my nicotine withdrawl that isnlt so bad with patch > Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. > > It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, > but I would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock > trademarked the name Hawkwind he can basically release anything under > that name. But is it really Hawkwind, that is the question? > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Mar 16 10:07:13 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:07:13 -0400 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice review. I guess I am handicapped for now, I'll get a copy of starshine. I agree about the busy drum track on Sweet Obsession. Sure it isn't Space Ritual, but, it is what it is, and I love it. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:07 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (HW) BOTE (my review) On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, mike coleman wrote: > After several listens so far (embarrassing I'm no longer in the front > lines getting stuff), here's my take- PRETTY BLOODY GREAT If I were to > point at something negative for me, it would be that the percussion is > too busy on "Sweet Obsession" > In opposition to some commentators I've seen, I LOVE the inclusion of > "You Better Believe It", I think it is superb, and I am very used to > being drawn back to earlier material and I liked being reconnected > here, and I like the way it goes straight into some ambient freak-out... > to me, the highlight of the album is Prometheus.....AWESOME!@!! > Unfortunately Starshine is also fantastic so if your format lacks it > you are handicapped. > the end > another wonderful piece of Hawk clothing for my soul. It took me bloody ages to get hold of this, not least because I left it a bit late on the 2CD version and the first few places on Amazon that had it turned out not to... Same old, same old. But I did get it, and then with some reluctance also the single CD version to make sure I had `Starshine', and so I can now say something about what I think of the album. (I realise that there's another bonus track on the vinyl, but, eh, not quite Kollectory enough, sorry.) Firstly, as regards the main album I have to agree with everyone who's said that all the rock action here is coming from Dibs. I'm not going to count `You'd Better Believe It' or even `Sweet Obsession' because they're reworks, which I wish the band would stop doing--I can't believe they were short of material and neither of these are improvements of the original to my ears. Nothing wrong with them, but they are substantially filler because I don't find anything in them to keep me tuned in. (Neither were my favourite songs in the first place, I should say, I will sometimes skip YBBI on HotMG in any case. I don't like the middle space where Hawkwind tried to give its blanga tunes.) The Dibs tracks are not just Spacehead leftovers, that's for sure, though the style is unmistakably similar; they might count as Krel leftovers but that would be a different thing. I think I agree with Mike above that `Prometheus' is the stand-out (and least like Dibs's normal output) but I think that `Sentinel' would have been if it came earlier in the album; by the time we reach it we've already had `Wraith', which is ploughing the same sort of mood albeit faster, and it seems as if `Sentinel' is just more of the same, whereas I think it's actually one of Dib's finer moments, emotional but bleak and quite complex to figure out. I loved this live and I still like it here. As to the others, well, I can't get very excited about any of Niall's material I'm afraid. Tim's `Inner Visions' is the real stuff, but is it real Blake or real HW? Is there a difference at the moment? Tim's hands are all over this album, and that's no bad thing in as much as the production is markedly better than on TMTYL, less bedroomy and more roomy if you see what I mean. The most distinctive piece all round, I think, is `Comfy Chair', which is actually proof that Dave still has a peculiar kind of genius--it's musically enveloping, almost claustrophobically dense and the sense moves through the lines so slowly that your heartrate probably halves while listening to it--but it's not rubbish, however sentimental it may be, and neither is it simple or dull. It also definitely sounds as if it belongs on the album, at the opposite end from the melodrama of `Prometheus' and `Inner Visions'. (The two reworks *don't* sound like they belong here, precisely because they were created by different bands; this band has its own chemistry and cooperation going on that would not have generated these songs. Hidden in there, I suppose, is a compliment about how fresh and current this album sounds, however we may or may not like its songs.) Between the two styles, for those that have it, is `Starshine', which is largely jammed as far as I can tell and functions as a kind of extended outtro to the album. It *is* very nice, able and not dull, but doesn't have a lot of meaningful content to it and was I think rightly relegated to bonus trackdom, where it does the job well.; the version of the album without it seems to end rather abruptly by comparison. So, in short, my hopes for the future out of this album: let Tim stay involved in the production, everything will sound more professional as a result; let Dibs write all the Krel-like songs he can, the band needs more new ROCK and he appears to be where it's coming from; I wouldn't be completely sorry to see Richard a bit further forward in the song-writing again, if we must have would-be-dance like `Sweet Obsession' at least it can be new and entertaining like `Angela Android'; and my challenge to Niall Hone would be, make it clear what you sound like on the next album, because this one leaves me with very little idea. It does seem quite likely that there will *be* a next album, though, and in that I guess he has his share of credit. The live mini-album that is the bonus disc on the 2CD set, meanwhile, is storming and very much worth having, not least because of the blistering Motorhead-paced cover of Syd Barrett's `Long Gone', completely unexpected and extremely impressive. This, I assume, is what Niall's input sounds like in which case, let's have more of it, or was it Dibs? Either way. `Wraith' sounds better live--typical Hawkwind to release a version of a new studio song that surpasses the stduio recording almost straight away--and all the other songs there fit well into the current sound and are not dithered over. The closing self-interview is *almost* unlistenably incoherent but does make it very clear that this band, as a bunch of people condemned to spend a lot of time together, works, which has not always been the case I guess, and just for that is nice to have. That's my however-many-pennyworth, anyhow, yours all, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 16 10:17:23 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:17:23 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/16/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > Nice review. I guess I am handicapped for now, I'll get a copy of > starshine. I agree about the busy drum track on Sweet Obsession. Sure it > isn't Space Ritual, but, it is what it is, and I love it. > > Mary Morning Hary...... I wasn't comparing to Distant Horizons.....I was comparing to a business card type thing in a Starfield CD. From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 16 12:10:52 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:52 -0400 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for filling me in on Starshine, I buotght the double sounds like Starshine is decent enough, wasn't there an additioanl track on the LP version too ? At Isle of Wight there was a song I didn't recognise, Robot WOman ? or somethign that Richars sang, complete with video, I thought that might be the alternative track, if not what was that oh ancient druids of the sacred tabernacle ? Steve > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:17:23 -0600 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: (HW) BOTE (my review) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 3/16/11, mary ann sullivan wrote: > > Nice review. I guess I am handicapped for now, I'll get a copy of > > starshine. I agree about the busy drum track on Sweet Obsession. Sure it > > isn't Space Ritual, but, it is what it is, and I love it. > > > > Mary > > Morning Hary...... > I wasn't comparing to Distant Horizons.....I was comparing to a > business card type thing in a Starfield CD. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Mar 16 20:26:44 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:26:44 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Kozmik Ken Experience Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 16, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from The Kozmik Ken Experience (March 2011). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Kozmik Ken Experience (March 2011) DARXTAR - Compromised Space - from Tombola LUCK OF EDEN HALL - Lucifer Sam - from Roqueting Through Space THE HIGHER CRAFT - Inner Realm - from Gateway DRAGONTEARS - The River - from Tambourine Freak Machine SILVERSPACE - Like A Hawkwind - from Psychedelic Fish Tank ELECTRIC MOON - Track One - from Lunatics Revenge LOVELAND - Black Glove - from Order To Love LOUIS DAVEY - Subconscious - from Last Chance Of A Lifetime FIRST BAND FROM OUTER SPACE - Demons And Haze - from The Guitar Is Mightier Than The Gun PANDEMONIUM - Salisbury Plain - from Aliens Stole My Pig STELLA POLARIS - Off With Their Heads - from Stella Polaris INNER CITY UNIT - Epitaph To The Hippies - from The Maximum Effect NUMBAH TEN - Another Day (Chapter 6) - from Reborn In 3D KRANKSCHAFT - Acid Rain - from Krankschaft SULA BASSANA - Barbarella - from Kosmonauts ALPHA OMEGA - Transidemensional Paradox - from Roqueting Through Space PRE-MED - Inner Doors - from Medication Time TRACKER - Blower - from How I Became An Alien MY SLEEPING KARMA - Tamas - from TRT WHITE HILLS - Visions Of The Past Present And Future - from Heads On Fire http://Aural-Innovations.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 19 13:35:34 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:35:34 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/15/11, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > It took me bloody ages to get hold of this, not least because I > left it a bit late on the 2CD version and the first few places on Amazon > that had it turned out not to... Same old, same old. But I did get it, and > then with some reluctance also the single CD version to make sure I had > `Starshine', and so I can now say something about what I think of the > album. (I realise that there's another bonus track on the vinyl, but, eh, > not quite Kollectory enough, sorry.) Me and The Bun just finshing a blasting play of this on LP- I think they had to repress vinyl.....if so, wonder how many actually exist.......but mainly wondering what the value of this already is?? I'm guessing $100.00 USA?? I pulled your trick with the single CD..... Thanks for helping me see the value of "Inner Visions" Jon, and while the track Sun Ship is great in my opinion, doesn't sound like Richard to me. At first I thought I , too, was a memeber of the YBBI "bored club", but I'm not. I tend to "assume the role", even though I may have no cluie what role I am sssuming, and it's playing now, I saved this side for last, and it s great!!! so far, I'm proving that a man can sack humanity and live on Hawkwind alone. It's bloody hard.....but possible!!! From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 19 13:59:28 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:59:28 -0600 Subject: WOTEOT - Motorhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's come down the pike that the version of Motorhead used on the Griffin is the same source as the Dojo CD. Without digging out Starfarer's page link, I thought Godwin boasted of having the master, and while he maybe didn't say he USED it, I wonder why he didn't. Forgive me if I misunderstood Godwin. On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: > Ok after a very stressful dig, I found my Griffin Warriors and confirm > both have the scratch as indicated by Steve. I thought there MIGHT > have been some discrepancy as to the exact moment they sound off, but > they are there- > > > > On 3/14/11, mike c wrote: >> On 3/14/11, lucidsound wrote: >>> Your honour, I call my first witness: >>> >>> http://www.raresoulman.co.uk/index.php/d/135128/HAWKWIND >> >> back for a min - >> Looks like Steve confirmed the Griffin CD has the short KOS (or at >> least ONE of the Griffins does!!), so now, I suppose it's going to be >> on me to finally figure out the long version versus short and just >> check what the LP version actually is. >> To answer Keith, YES, IT EXISTS, and if anybody is holding a "minty" >> and wants to trade or sell something I am interested. Mine went to >> Germany, it was a label variant needed. >> If you have one of those collector books that came with the Warrior >> available, there should be an image there. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 19 14:19:09 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:19:09 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yeah- could somebody please tell Plastichead to get BACK ON BLACK and knock off the fruitcake crap- I need to see my vinyl. Do some inner sleeves or posters if they need some flash On 3/19/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/15/11, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> It took me bloody ages to get hold of this, not least because I >> left it a bit late on the 2CD version and the first few places on Amazon >> that had it turned out not to... Same old, same old. But I did get it, >> and >> then with some reluctance also the single CD version to make sure I had >> `Starshine', and so I can now say something about what I think of the >> album. (I realise that there's another bonus track on the vinyl, but, eh, >> not quite Kollectory enough, sorry.) > > Me and The Bun just finshing a blasting play of this on LP- > I think they had to repress vinyl.....if so, wonder how many actually > exist.......but mainly wondering what the value of this already is?? > I'm guessing $100.00 USA?? > I pulled your trick with the single CD..... > Thanks for helping me see the value of "Inner Visions" Jon, and while > the track Sun Ship is great in my opinion, doesn't sound like Richard > to me. > At first I thought I , too, was a memeber of the YBBI "bored club", > but I'm not. I tend to "assume the role", even though I may have no > cluie what role I am sssuming, and it's playing now, I saved this side > for last, and it s great!!! > so far, I'm proving that a man can sack humanity and live on Hawkwind > alone. It's bloody hard.....but possible!!! > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 19 14:23:06 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:23:06 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yeah- could somebody please tell Plastichead to get BACK ON BLACK and knock off the fruitcake crap- I need to see my vinyl grooves. Do some inner sleeves or posters if they need some flash and NO MORE PRESSING PAST 1000, unless there is no limit announced!!! for god sake DO NOT repress BOTE ANYMORE. Buy something else from Dave and press that!!! On 3/19/11, mike c wrote: > On 3/15/11, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> It took me bloody ages to get hold of this, not least because I >> left it a bit late on the 2CD version and the first few places on Amazon >> that had it turned out not to... Same old, same old. But I did get it, >> and >> then with some reluctance also the single CD version to make sure I had >> `Starshine', and so I can now say something about what I think of the >> album. (I realise that there's another bonus track on the vinyl, but, eh, >> not quite Kollectory enough, sorry.) > > Me and The Bun just finshing a blasting play of this on LP- > I think they had to repress vinyl.....if so, wonder how many actually > exist.......but mainly wondering what the value of this already is?? > I'm guessing $100.00 USA?? > I pulled your trick with the single CD..... > Thanks for helping me see the value of "Inner Visions" Jon, and while > the track Sun Ship is great in my opinion, doesn't sound like Richard > to me. > At first I thought I , too, was a memeber of the YBBI "bored club", > but I'm not. I tend to "assume the role", even though I may have no > cluie what role I am sssuming, and it's playing now, I saved this side > for last, and it s great!!! > so far, I'm proving that a man can sack humanity and live on Hawkwind > alone. It's bloody hard.....but possible!!! > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Mar 20 10:46:31 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:46:31 -0600 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Meanwhile I have just had a little lesson in today's recording budgets and process, and also informed that BOTE indeed has plently of "deep bass", which is, in fact, why I reared my head here anyway.....I thought it was flat no matter what, and required me to turn it down and make adjustments to differing parts of it, which is not normal. I am checking the spelling here before sending and once again, I am NOT complaining about what and how Hawkwind chooses to do things, only sharing what thoughts I had with a small group. From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 21 17:15:44 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:15:44 +0000 Subject: Two Contrasting Motorhead Reviews from Kansas City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, mike coleman wrote: > On 2/18/11, gary shindler wrote: >> http://backtorockville.typepad.com/back_to_rockville/2011/02/review-motorhead.html#tp >> >> http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/2011/02/concert_review_motorhead_at_th.php# > > On a quick read, not sure what the contrast is, but I am certainly one > part idiot, nevermind that- I guess it's that one thinks it was too loud and the other thinks that's the point. I'm not sure I recognise a category of `too loud for me'--I've repeatedly taken earplugs to shows, figuring I could probably live with postponing deafness, and found it just too annoying not to be able to hear the band properly--but I've certainly met `too loud for the sound system' and it sounds from that first review as if that's what was afoot. But what a bill! Clutch and Valient Thorr supporting, I'd have gone home happy even if Lemmy had absconded to Brazil to escape arrest for drugs charges immediately before setting foot on stage. > ......However, one of my old friends, who saw Motorhead a little > before I ever did, possibly a No Remorse tour, knows what I meant and > said they were indeed louder then. Maybe the fact Lemmy names his > amp(s) things like "Murder 1", further "psyches me out" and increases > expectations.....but I'm old now, so next show should be fine, not > that all ever were not!!! I'm not sure if he's still using those amps now, I certainly saw them a while back when they weren't but maybe one just broke because they seemed to be back the most recent time. Of course, this isn't all down to the band; some places have limiters in the PA. Andy Gilham used to claim that they put the ones in Cambridge Corn Exchange after he saw Mot?rhead there in 1980 and kept shouting to Lemmy to turn it up... That said, Kirsten my ex recognised one Mot?rhead song when I first played it at her simply because she'd been across the street from the place one evening when they were playing. So it's not that quiet even now! (`Metropolis', I think.) Yours, Jon ObCD: Stinkin' Lizavetta - _III_ (another in the list of excellent bands I have seen with Clutch) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 22 09:45:20 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:45:20 -0400 Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! Message-ID: Some of the elite know, many dont know. But Astounding Sounds Amazing Music, by Hawkwind, had what is known as a reversed cover variant. I document it here, for all Artifact collectors, to peruse and marvel over. http://www.spacerocktrading.com/hawkwind-astounding-sounds-amazing-music-reversed-cover-t123.html From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 22 11:02:26 2011 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:02:26 -0700 Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow, my copy (bought on Ebay some years ago) doesn't have that inner sleeve. Thanks for sharing. ________________________________ From: "Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 8:45:20 AM Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! Some of the elite know, many dont know. But Astounding Sounds Amazing Music, by Hawkwind, had what is known as a reversed cover variant. I document it here, for all Artifact collectors, to peruse and marvel over. http://www.spacerocktrading.com/hawkwind-astounding-sounds-amazing-music-reversed-cover-t123.html From lucidsound at IC24.NET Tue Mar 22 13:33:10 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:33:10 -0000 Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! Message-ID: Well, of course the problem with the original cover is the name of the band...or lack of it. And Tony Hyde's design wasn't the band's original choice, it was Barney who did the Steppenwolf painting that was to adorn the cover that was rejected, and that can be seen in his book. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! > Some of the elite know, many dont know. But Astounding Sounds Amazing > Music, > by Hawkwind, had what is known as a reversed cover variant. > I document it here, for all Artifact collectors, to peruse and marvel > over. > > http://www.spacerocktrading.com/hawkwind-astounding-sounds-amazing-music-reversed-cover-t123.html > From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 22 14:02:46 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:02:46 +0000 Subject: (OFF) Re: BOC: Eerie Soundalike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, mike coleman wrote: > speaking of Arthur, what do you think? it IS a rocking > chair....."love" has never left (your side) (Jon), (this time I've > been in one of mywarps) > http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jesus-image-in-chair,0,3187416.story Now, if the chair were in Austin TX, or even had been bought there, I'd suspect the God of Hellfire of having had a 1980s hand in that himself. It's certainly more a crown of flames than a crown of thorns, isn't it? You want timewarps, I got timewarps, etc. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 22 14:17:17 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:17:17 -0600 Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. The PROOF! In-Reply-To: <3336E129B47C43259DD17B2F8563866F@Magdallen> Message-ID: On 3/22/11, lucidsound wrote: > Well, of course the problem with the original cover is the name of the > band...or lack of it. And Tony Hyde's design wasn't the band's original > choice, it was Barney who did the Steppenwolf painting that was to adorn the > cover that was rejected, and that can be seen in his book. You know you're in Texas when- A longtime fan (in this case the guy that got Pierre's photo of Dave in the gas-mask I was telling you about), and also the guy whos UK original Mt Grill jacket with tiny pinholes in now houses my "yellah" that I think I am (probably) just going to give Jill instead of the lesser one, says, through Pierre, as of last night, that he apprently finds Calvert "Irksome" and "can't stand Ron Tree" I have seen it all now From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 22 14:26:41 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:26:41 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Re: BOC: Eerie Soundalike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You certainly do, and we can share them them vicariously through you, whatever vicariously means. My suggestion was that if God had made the image, surely the resurrection would have been depicted, or a perfect cross included. I think naming the poor guy is blasphemous unless he can somehow tell us his name. On 3/22/11, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, mike coleman wrote: >> speaking of Arthur, what do you think? it IS a rocking >> chair....."love" has never left (your side) (Jon), (this time I've >> been in one of mywarps) >> http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jesus-image-in-chair,0,3187416.story > > Now, if the chair were in Austin TX, or even had been bought > there, I'd suspect the God of Hellfire of having had a 1980s hand in that > himself. It's certainly more a crown of flames than a crown of thorns, > isn't it? You want timewarps, I got timewarps, etc. Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 22 22:20:32 2011 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:20:32 -0400 Subject: Sydney In-Reply-To: <4D7F3C64.1020801@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah I love love love when they open with Warrior poem then Assault/Void leading into Where Are They Now, it's probably my favorite show opening sequence ever... On Mar 15, 2011 3:17 AM, "Mike Holmes" wrote: > On 15/03/2011 03:47, Bill & Cynthia wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Had a great week and a bit in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. Of course the highlight was seeing Hawkwind on the Friday night. >> >> My recording of the gig turned out okay (listening to it now) >> Completed track list is as below as will appear on the CDs: >> >> Hawkwind - Sydney University - Manning Bar >> 11/03/2011 >> Brock/Chadwick/Dibbs/Hone/Blake >> >> CD1 - Intro/Warriors/Assault and Battery/Golden Void/Where Are You Now/Flying Doctor/Star Cannibal/Parasites Are here On Earth/ >> Prometheus/Spirit Of The Aged/Sentinel. >> CD2 - You'd better Believe It/Blood Of The Earth/Angels Of Death/Wraith/Tide Of The Century/Psychedelic Warlords/ >> Hassan I Sahbah - Space is Their-Hassan I Sahbah/Crowd Noise/Silver Machine > > Great to see Where Are They Now? back in the set. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Mar 23 17:47:28 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:47:28 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions and Lo Finest Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 24, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've uploaded new shows from Astral Visions Radio (show #14), and Lo Finest (show #22). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Astral Visions Radio (show #14) Astral Visions Radio Show - Music from Psychotropic Zone, is hosted by DJ Astro Dharma Son Collective - "Imagessence" (from Zenogenesis) The Cosmic Dead - "Infinite Death of the Godhead (Edit)" (from Cosmic Tape I) Grails - "Almost Grew My Hair" (from Deep Politics) Vibravoid - "What You Want" (from Minddrugs) Hills - "Rise Again" (from Master Sleeps) Deepsea Drive Machine - "Interhead" (from Saion) Mugstar - "Serra" (from Lime) Djinn - "Free Like Us" (from Last Wish) Hexvessel - "I Am the Ritual" (from Dawnbearer) Moonwagon - "Hoodoo Horizon" (from Night Dust) Avaruuskorpraali Paha Hirvi - "R-kaks (Edit)" (from Robot Power) The Grand Astoria - "Omnipresence" (from Omnipresence) Electric Moon - "Inferno (Edit)" (from Inferno) Dark Sun - "The Next Step" (from Feed Your Mind) Lo Finest: The Lo Finest Lord Litter Special (show #22) Lo Finest is a program dedicated to the appreciation of homemade recordings that were made and distributed on cassette tapes during the 1980s and 90s, hosted by veteran home recording artist Charles Rice Goff III. "Lost" (from Torn Between Temptations, 1991) "Help Me" (from Quite Naturally, 1989) "Signed To EMI" (from Back To The Basics, 1998) "Cyberland" (from In The Afterglow, 1994) "Givin' You A Helping Hand" (from Hypertonia Sampler, 1989) "Charlie...This Is Sharon" (from Watching Satan, 1992) "The Sun Shines In New York Tonight" (Lord Litter Band, from Outbreakers, 1993) "If I Had A Pershing II" (from Take The Trash, 1984) "My Friend Charles" (from No More Rock N Roll, 1987) "Charlie Goodbye" (from No More Rock N Roll, 1987) "Poem" (from A Bad Case Of True Love, 1992) "Doog's Boogie" (from Torn Between Temptations, 1991) "You Couldn't Dance This Rhythm, Baby" (from Death Of The Giant Killer Ant, 1984) "My ABC" (from Death Of The Giant Killer Ant, 1993) "Questions" (Das Freie Orchester, from Brain Salad, 1990) "15 Minutes" (Das Freie Orchester, from Lost Demo, 1990) "The Easter Bunny" (from Litter's Reel All Itty, 1990) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Mar 23 21:46:01 2011 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:46:01 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions and Lo Finest Shows In-Reply-To: <22BEAEF4B3A64C68869E5A25840D42AB@kranman> Message-ID: Excellent shows as usual. You got me joining the FruitsdeMer as a member now too :). I like the CD-R they send out - I joined as soon as I found out about that - it'll let me keep my vinyl in Mint condition in case I decide to part with one of my copies. Thanks, Jerry BTW...one of these days I'll have to go through all my hard drives. I think I might have almost all your shows. been listening a loooong time. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 23 21:54:07 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:54:07 +0800 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions and Lo Finest Shows In-Reply-To: <4D8AA259.6040003@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip about Fruits de Mer! Jonathan On 24 March 2011 09:46, Jerry G wrote: > Excellent shows as usual. You got me joining the > FruitsdeMer as a member now too :). I like the CD-R > they send out - I joined as soon as I found out about > that - it'll let me keep my vinyl in Mint condition > in case I decide to part with one of my copies. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > BTW...one of these days I'll have to go through all > my hard drives. I think I might have almost all your > shows. been listening a loooong time. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 23 22:19:04 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:19:04 -0600 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions and Lo Finest Shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: seconded I know Nik is on one of the singles and this has my lazy-ass leaning. On 3/23/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > Thanks for the tip about Fruits de Mer! > > Jonathan > > On 24 March 2011 09:46, Jerry G wrote: > >> Excellent shows as usual. You got me joining the >> FruitsdeMer as a member now too :). I like the CD-R >> they send out - I joined as soon as I found out about >> that - it'll let me keep my vinyl in Mint condition >> in case I decide to part with one of my copies. >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry >> >> BTW...one of these days I'll have to go through all >> my hard drives. I think I might have almost all your >> shows. been listening a loooong time. >> > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Mar 24 01:17:08 2011 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:17:08 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Astral Visions and Lo Finest Shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23/03/2011 10:19 PM, mike c wrote: > seconded > I know Nik is on one of the singles and this has my lazy-ass leaning. That would be Fdm18. Sendelica doing Urban Guerilla with Nik. Here's youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1tcSIxnqw From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Mar 25 10:54:54 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:54:54 -0600 Subject: meanwhile back at the funny farm Message-ID: You all should know that I try to say "thank you" for being the company I am denied in real life, and hopefully this interests you http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/august-in-amsterdam-t3728.html I really wish I could find Billy Capozzi.... He was the voice of Texas, The Sunshine, God, The Future and all things hopeful yesterday... also, when I played "Fondue" yesterday. I did it the way SANE people do, on "shuffle", and man was that fun and confusing I am too lazy to mess with what is hidden on there or what was going on with "track 40-something" and "30-something" and I have forgotten what was up with that" also, come to think of it, I am claiming "official UFO disclosure" as of last night You may all embrace as United Earthlings And further, apparently strangely fluctuating radiation readings from Japan and water that becomes drinkable overnight suggest some possibly very interesting "backstage activity" From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Mar 25 12:49:33 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:49:33 -0400 Subject: meanwhile back at the funny farm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd love to hear from Billy, too. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike c Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:55 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: meanwhile back at the funny farm You all should know that I try to say "thank you" for being the company I am denied in real life, and hopefully this interests you http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/august-in-amsterdam-t3728.html I really wish I could find Billy Capozzi.... He was the voice of Texas, The Sunshine, God, The Future and all things hopeful yesterday... also, when I played "Fondue" yesterday. I did it the way SANE people do, on "shuffle", and man was that fun and confusing I am too lazy to mess with what is hidden on there or what was going on with "track 40-something" and "30-something" and I have forgotten what was up with that" also, come to think of it, I am claiming "official UFO disclosure" as of last night You may all embrace as United Earthlings And further, apparently strangely fluctuating radiation readings from Japan and water that becomes drinkable overnight suggest some possibly very interesting "backstage activity" From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Mar 30 13:34:46 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:34:46 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MARCH 30, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #259). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #259) Earthling Society - "Child Of The Harvest" (from forthcoming new album Stations of the Ghost) Djinn - "Charmed" (from Last Wish) Louis Davey - "Goodbye" (from Last Chance Of A Lifetime) ANT-BEE - "Living" (from Electronic Church Muzik) Void Generator - "The Morning" (from Phantom Hell and Solar Angelic) VOCOKESH SET Vocokesh - "The Cruising Song" (from Dr. Hofmann's Bicycle Ride) Vocokesh - "Eddie's Hallucination" (from The Tenth Corner) Vocokesh - "The Circle Is The Square" (from Paradise Revisited) Vocokesh - "The Truth Regarding Sunspots" (from All This and Hieronymus Bosch) Dead Sea Apes - "Soy Dios" (from Soy Dios) Heavy Water Experiments - "Black Glass Chateaux" (from forthcoming new album) Stella Polaris - "We're All Egyptians Now" (from Stella Polaris) Albedo 0 - "Electric You (Dark Nebula Mix)" (from SNR) John Likides - "From NYC with Love and Attitude" (from Roundtrip to the Pleiades) Magdalena Solis - "Sisters of the Twilight Mansions" (from Hesperia) NOS Project - "Fairies and Fuses" (from II) Distortion Tamers - "Bad Dog" (from Junglehead Stories) Arzachel - "Metempsychosis" (from Arzachel) http://Aural-Innovations.com From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 30 14:33:57 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:33:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkfan 32 Message-ID: Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since no 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. As Brian says "hope it isn't so long until the next issue". Nice review Paul of 40th anniversary bash. Thanks Brian and keep them coming. Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 30 15:29:08 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:29:08 -0600 Subject: Hawkfan 32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/30/11, Steve Freight wrote: > Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since no > 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. Gosh thanks Steve.I knew Brian was "up to something", I just wasn;t certain exactly what. I ask a humble favor- Could one of you think of a _clever_ way to find out iif he is including the USA as he once did, without putting him "on the spot", would you/could you?? (unless you already know?) I do not want to impose on him about doantions if he does not want the strain. Plus I am frigtened by him since I screwed up in the past From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Mar 30 19:46:53 2011 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:46:53 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show In-Reply-To: <81D7BB7E6910459A9F9FB15D509FD4FD@kranman> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Did you add a little color to your web pages? :) From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Mar 31 03:59:55 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:59:55 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E9232DB9A988@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: This is what I thought when I mentioned in my previous mail that the band went into the studio after the release to finish it (so I understood, Jerry once stated). I had hoped we'd see 2 versions (double disc) and collating all those differing versions of Love In Space together - Snapper issued a demo version on the double CD compilation they did, Doug rejected the original single version Dave offered and then there is the single version as released, at least. I for one won't be buying unless there are bonus tracks as it is to me the worst official release, and I doubt that remastering will make any difference to me. I'll wait for the verdict from this list once released. Steve On 31 March 2011 07:45, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > > > As I recall, the version of Distant Horizons that was pressed was not at > all the intended album. I think it is in one of the recent Hawkwind books > that this is discussed that Doug Smith or someone had a listening version > and this is what ended up being released and not the album as intended? > Anyone else recall this? Do you think this new release is just a fix up the > sound a bit of the released version or did anyone bother to try to find the > real version that never was released? I am curious?.. > > scott > > *http://writingaboutmusic.blogspot.com* > http.//www.oresundspacecollective.com > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender | Reply > to group | Reply > via web post| Start > a New Topic > Messages in this topic( > 21) > Recent Activity: > > > Visit Your Group > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans > -- created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > Switch to: Text-Only, > Daily Digest? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > . > > __,_._,___ > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Mar 31 05:10:57 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:10:57 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>From: Jerry G >>Subject: Re: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show >>Hi Jerry, >>Did you add a little color to your web pages? :) Like that? The awesomely talented artist Mark Reiser added a little spice to the dreary Aural Innovations site. I will soon have a gallery of his work available. Stay tuned..... Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Aural-Innovations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:46:53 -0400 From: Jerry G Subject: Re: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Hi Jerry, Did you add a little color to your web pages? :)