From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 1 05:23:03 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:23:03 +0100 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > BOTE cannot be taken out of context. It is a Hawkwind album and as such, has > to be compared with other Hawkwind albums. If we do such a comparison we can > see that compared with the Golden age of Hawkwind albums: "Hawkwind", > "Doremi Fasol Latido", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", "Space Ritual", "X In > Search Of Space", "Warrior on the Edge of Time", "Astounding Sounds, Amazing > Music", "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" BOTE doesnt hold up. Then compared > with the Silver age: "25 Years On", "PXR5", "Levitation", "Sonic Attack", > "Church of Hawkwind", "Choose Your Masques", "The Chronicle of the Black > Sword" it also doesnt hold up. In the bronze age its beaten by "Electric > Tepee". Infact I would go as far as to say its only better than "Distant > Horizons". Well, each to their own; I like the good bits of DH a lot better than I like this, for all that it's not really a finished album, but there are plenty of HW albums I think less of than this one, starting with _Sonic Attack_ I suspect, and then, well, most of the ones you choose not to name there would at least be a contest. But that's obviously going to vary person to person, and all I was saying was whether I thought it was worth having, which I do. > Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. If, by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new _Doremi_ next year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because only a fraction of their `fanbase' would ever hear it. > It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, but I > would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock trademarked the name > Hawkwind he can basically release anything under that name. But is it really > Hawkwind, that is the question? Well, what is? Have they ever managed more than three albums in a row (SA, CoH, CYM? No, even there, because Nik is on a tiny tiny part of CYM. ET, IItBotFtBD, BT, I suppose) where `Hawkwind' was the same as it had last been? So how on earth does one decide what is and isn't Hawkwind except by setting one's own preferences to the fore? I would admit, though that _Spacebrock_ is a step too far in this game. There are parts of it I like, but it's a DB solo album with the wrong name on it. Yours, Jon (who is apparently all about the acronyms this morning) ObCD: Down - _Nola_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 09:38:41 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:38:41 -0500 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01 Apr 2011, at 04:23 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. > > That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. If, by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new _Doremi_ next year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because only a fraction of their `fanbase' would ever hear it. Although I would bet that at least that fraction would be less ambivalent about an album that had Doremi's vibe. >> It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, but I >> would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock trademarked the name >> Hawkwind he can basically release anything under that name. But is it really >> Hawkwind, that is the question? > > Well, what is? Have they ever managed more than three albums in a row (SA, CoH, CYM? No, even there, because Nik is on a tiny tiny part of CYM. ET, IItBotFtBD, BT, I suppose) where `Hawkwind' was the same as it had last been? So how on earth does one decide what is and isn't Hawkwind except by setting one's own preferences to the fore? Whether it is "really Hawkwind" or not doesn't concern me so much as whether it's really any good. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Apr 1 09:56:43 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 14:56:43 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: Fred, Steve & Mick here with a Krankschaft Update. There are lot's of things happening in Krankie land at the moment, we released our "Song Poems" album online for free in January and it was so successful we thought we'd make a bunch of actual CD's mainly as thank yous to the lyricists but also because the quality is much better. If you haven't heard the album yet you can still download the free version at http://www.krankschaft.com it's pretty eclectic! Live dates: We're playing with Hawkwind again at Leamington Spa, this time it's Hawkwind, Huw Lloyds Langton and us, Doors open at 6pm so if you're going arrive early because we have a sneaky suspicion we'll be onstage as they open the doors! May 15 Leamington Spa Assembly Rooms with Hawkwind http://www.leamingtonassembly.com/EventInfo.aspx?id=450 June 17/18/19 Sonic Rock Solstice (We're on the Sunday) http://www.sonicrocksolstice.com/ August 15 Colchester Arena - With Space Ritual http://www.jackdaw2.co.uk/ More Free Stuff: We have an exclusive track "Cosmic Fantasy" on a new compilation from the nice people at Omenopus, the CD is called "Allies & Clansmen" & includes music from Omnia Opera, Spirits Burning, Earth Lab, Flutatious, Harvey Bainbridge, Dr Hasbeen amongst others, get your free copy here: http://www.omenopus.com/ All regular Krankschaft CD's are available in our shop at: http://www.doremi.co.uk/shop/ Out of stock CD's are still available as high quality MP3's with expanded sleeve notes at: http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/mp3shop.html We're beavering away on the fourth Krankschaft album at the moment, hopefully it will be finished by the summer. Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them to assume nobody will come to see us! I think that's it, we're putting some very rare video together of Robert Calvert which we'll put on our YouTube feed (http://www.youtube.com/icuuctv) for his birthday on April 9th.. keep 'em peeled! That's about it for now, Thanks for all your support, we really appreciate it, and hope to see you at a show sometime soon! Fred, Steve & Mick. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 10:05:20 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: > Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook > (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs > promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them > to assume nobody will come to see us! I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty confirming it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Apr 1 10:12:05 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:12:05 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: <28D5455A-F39C-41A8-8A39-63C90CCC7081@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! -S. On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: >On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them >> to assume nobody will come to see us! > >I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty confirming it! > >Cheers, >Carl From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 10:29:23 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:29:23 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: <73nbp6lc8mn6njg1jbgj92nauijgsgq0de@4ax.com> Message-ID: I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could find). The mysteries of FB .... I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! Cheers, Carl On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: > Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no > cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it > not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! > > -S. > > > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: > >> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them >>> to assume nobody will come to see us! >> >> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty confirming it! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 1 10:35:43 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:35:43 -0400 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Funny thing, "Sonic Attack," has always been a household favorite, I don't know how Kosh feels about it, though. I do agree, BOTE does sound unfinished, but it's all good, I do really dig the album, I do admit it took longer to grow on me than usual. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:23 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (HW) BOTE (my review) On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > BOTE cannot be taken out of context. It is a Hawkwind album and as > such, has to be compared with other Hawkwind albums. If we do such a > comparison we can see that compared with the Golden age of Hawkwind > albums: "Hawkwind", "Doremi Fasol Latido", "Hall of the Mountain > Grill", "Space Ritual", "X In Search Of Space", "Warrior on the Edge > of Time", "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music", "Quark, Strangeness and > Charm" BOTE doesnt hold up. Then compared with the Silver age: "25 > Years On", "PXR5", "Levitation", "Sonic Attack", "Church of Hawkwind", > "Choose Your Masques", "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" it also > doesnt hold up. In the bronze age its beaten by "Electric Tepee". > Infact I would go as far as to say its only better than "Distant Horizons". Well, each to their own; I like the good bits of DH a lot better than I like this, for all that it's not really a finished album, but there are plenty of HW albums I think less of than this one, starting with _Sonic Attack_ I suspect, and then, well, most of the ones you choose not to name there would at least be a contest. But that's obviously going to vary person to person, and all I was saying was whether I thought it was worth having, which I do. > Like the works of any artist, Hawkwind wont be remembered for BOTE. That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. If, by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new _Doremi_ next year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because only a fraction of their `fanbase' would ever hear it. > It is off course nice for fans that we have another Hawkwind album, > but I would like to remember everyone that since Dave Brock > trademarked the name Hawkwind he can basically release anything under > that name. But is it really Hawkwind, that is the question? Well, what is? Have they ever managed more than three albums in a row (SA, CoH, CYM? No, even there, because Nik is on a tiny tiny part of CYM. ET, IItBotFtBD, BT, I suppose) where `Hawkwind' was the same as it had last been? So how on earth does one decide what is and isn't Hawkwind except by setting one's own preferences to the fore? I would admit, though that _Spacebrock_ is a step too far in this game. There are parts of it I like, but it's a DB solo album with the wrong name on it. Yours, Jon (who is apparently all about the acronyms this morning) ObCD: Down - _Nola_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 1 10:43:51 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:43:51 -0400 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Carl, Chris told me to never sign up for FB, so like an idiot, I tried it to see if I could use it, being blind. Well, we tried to get off the site, and after the little survey where they ask why I wanted to leave we couldn't find anywhere to sign out, and I had someone who can see helping. They want you to get hooked, and spend lots of time in there, like The Family in F.H. 451. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:29 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could find). The mysteries of FB .... I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! Cheers, Carl On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: > Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no > cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it > not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! > > -S. > > > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: > >> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them >>> to assume nobody will come to see us! >> >> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty confirming it! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Apr 1 10:55:46 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:55:46 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary's right, they do want you to get hooked and use it like the family in F 451, I tried to resist it, and in fact only joined about a year ago. I was forced to because all the people I used to communicate with via mailing lists or user groups were all now chatting on FB and I was left out in the cold. Morally superior, but left out. Having joined it I do like the interactions with "friends I've never met", but I'm suspicious of their motives re. data acquisition and I dislike their walled garden approach. Consequently, they don't know my address, real phone number or main email address. Basically places like MySpace, and now Facebook allow people who would never have got to grips with FTP, Newsgroups, Gopher, writing their own HTML, text only mailing lists etc to upload photos & video to the web, without any technical knowledge whatsoever.. and that sadly is what drives their momentum, 500 million cat pictures. Use it, but don't feed it. -S. On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:43:51 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Hi Carl, >Chris told me to never sign up for FB, so like an idiot, I tried it to see >if I could use it, being blind. Well, we tried to get off the site, and >after the little survey where they ask why I wanted to leave we couldn't >find anywhere to sign out, and I had someone who can see helping. They want >you to get hooked, and spend lots of time in there, like The Family in F.H. >451. > >Mary >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On >Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:29 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update > >I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could find). The >mysteries of FB .... > >I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! > >Cheers, >Carl > >On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: > >> Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no >> cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it >> not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: >> >>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >>>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >>>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >>>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them >>>> to assume nobody will come to see us! >>> >>> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, >I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty >confirming it! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >> From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Apr 1 11:22:23 2011 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:22:23 +0000 Subject: (Off) FB - was: Re: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just as long as you treat FB and the likes as a sort-of online bar/pub, you're OK. And, yeah, they're just as much interested in you as Google is. Gr, Arjan H --------------------------------------------- ... and that most dreaded rock concert spectacle ? the drum solo ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Steve Pond To: Arjan Hulsebos Sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:55:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update > Mary's right, they do want you to get hooked and use it like the > family in F 451, I tried to resist it, and in fact only joined about > a year ago. I was forced to because all the people I used to communicate > with via mailing lists or user groups were all now chatting on FB and > I was left out in the cold. Morally superior, but left out. > > Having joined it I do like the interactions with "friends I've never > met", but I'm suspicious of their motives re. data acquisition and I > dislike their walled garden approach. > > Consequently, they don't know my address, real phone number or main > email address. > > Basically places like MySpace, and now Facebook allow people who > would never have got to grips with FTP, Newsgroups, Gopher, writing their > own HTML, text only mailing lists etc to upload photos & video to the > web, without any technical knowledge whatsoever.. and that sadly is > what drives their momentum, 500 million cat pictures. > > Use it, but don't feed it. > > -S. > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:43:51 -0400, you sent through the ether: > > >Hi Carl, > >Chris told me to never sign up for FB, so like an idiot, I tried it to see > >if I could use it, being blind. Well, we tried to get off the site, and > >after the little survey where they ask why I wanted to leave we couldn't > >find anywhere to sign out, and I had someone who can see helping. They want > >you to get hooked, and spend lots of time in there, like The Family in F.H. > >451. > > > >Mary > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > >Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:29 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update > > > >I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could find). The > >mysteries of FB .... > > > >I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > > >On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: > > > >> Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no > >> cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it > >> not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! > >> > >> -S. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: > >> > >>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: > >>>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook > >>>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs > >>>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them > >>>> to assume nobody will come to see us! > >>> > >>> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, > >I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty > >confirming it! > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Carl > >> ------- End of Original Message ------- From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 12:16:31 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:16:31 -0500 Subject: (Off) FB - was: Re: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: <20110401151612.M35007@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: Everyone (well, almost) is trying to make money of their stuff. Even Hawkwind want to sell their records and concert tickets. :) Since I have friends, family, and colleagues scattered over at least 3 (sometimes 4 or more) continents, FB is a very convenient way to keep up with them. After all, I don't have to look at their cat pictures if I don't want to (nor they at mine! :). But, yes: it's a good idea not to give away too much data to just about anyone. Neither FB nor anyone on it needs my phone number (and if they did, they would already have it via other means), so there's no point in putting it there. But, really, this stuff has always been "common sense" -- it's just now easier for people without common sense to mess up. ;) Cheers, Carl On 01 Apr 2011, at 10:22 , Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > Just as long as you treat FB and the likes as a sort-of online bar/pub, you're > OK. And, yeah, they're just as much interested in you as Google is. > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > --------------------------------------------- > ... and that most dreaded rock concert spectacle ? the drum solo > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Steve Pond > To: Arjan Hulsebos > Sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:55:46 +0100 > Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update > >> Mary's right, they do want you to get hooked and use it like the >> family in F 451, I tried to resist it, and in fact only joined about >> a year ago. I was forced to because all the people I used to communicate >> with via mailing lists or user groups were all now chatting on FB and >> I was left out in the cold. Morally superior, but left out. >> >> Having joined it I do like the interactions with "friends I've never >> met", but I'm suspicious of their motives re. data acquisition and I >> dislike their walled garden approach. >> >> Consequently, they don't know my address, real phone number or main >> email address. >> >> Basically places like MySpace, and now Facebook allow people who >> would never have got to grips with FTP, Newsgroups, Gopher, writing their >> own HTML, text only mailing lists etc to upload photos & video to the >> web, without any technical knowledge whatsoever.. and that sadly is >> what drives their momentum, 500 million cat pictures. >> >> Use it, but don't feed it. >> >> -S. >> >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:43:51 -0400, you sent through the ether: >> >>> Hi Carl, >>> Chris told me to never sign up for FB, so like an idiot, I tried it to see >>> if I could use it, being blind. Well, we tried to get off the site, and >>> after the little survey where they ask why I wanted to leave we couldn't >>> find anywhere to sign out, and I had someone who can see helping. They want >>> you to get hooked, and spend lots of time in there, like The Family in F.H. >>> 451. >>> >>> Mary >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On >>> Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson >>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:29 AM >>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update >>> >>> I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could find). The >>> mysteries of FB .... >>> >>> I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >>> >>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: >>> >>>> Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has no >>>> cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make it >>>> not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! >>>> >>>> -S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: >>>> >>>>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >>>>>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >>>>>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >>>>>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads them >>>>>> to assume nobody will come to see us! >>>>> >>>>> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? Mind you, >>> I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having difficulty >>> confirming it! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Carl >>>> > ------- End of Original Message ------- > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 1 12:24:06 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: (Off) FB - was: Re: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agree, I hope you and your family are well. It must be lots of fun watching Luna grow. Always, your friend, Mare -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:17 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (Off) FB - was: Re: Krankschaft April Update Everyone (well, almost) is trying to make money of their stuff. Even Hawkwind want to sell their records and concert tickets. :) Since I have friends, family, and colleagues scattered over at least 3 (sometimes 4 or more) continents, FB is a very convenient way to keep up with them. After all, I don't have to look at their cat pictures if I don't want to (nor they at mine! :). But, yes: it's a good idea not to give away too much data to just about anyone. Neither FB nor anyone on it needs my phone number (and if they did, they would already have it via other means), so there's no point in putting it there. But, really, this stuff has always been "common sense" -- it's just now easier for people without common sense to mess up. ;) Cheers, Carl On 01 Apr 2011, at 10:22 , Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > Just as long as you treat FB and the likes as a sort-of online > bar/pub, you're OK. And, yeah, they're just as much interested in you as Google is. > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > --------------------------------------------- > ... and that most dreaded rock concert spectacle - the drum solo > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Steve Pond > To: Arjan Hulsebos > Sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:55:46 +0100 > Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update > >> Mary's right, they do want you to get hooked and use it like the >> family in F 451, I tried to resist it, and in fact only joined about >> a year ago. I was forced to because all the people I used to >> communicate with via mailing lists or user groups were all now >> chatting on FB and I was left out in the cold. Morally superior, but left out. >> >> Having joined it I do like the interactions with "friends I've never >> met", but I'm suspicious of their motives re. data acquisition and I >> dislike their walled garden approach. >> >> Consequently, they don't know my address, real phone number or main >> email address. >> >> Basically places like MySpace, and now Facebook allow people who >> would never have got to grips with FTP, Newsgroups, Gopher, writing >> their own HTML, text only mailing lists etc to upload photos & video >> to the web, without any technical knowledge whatsoever.. and that >> sadly is what drives their momentum, 500 million cat pictures. >> >> Use it, but don't feed it. >> >> -S. >> >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:43:51 -0400, you sent through the ether: >> >>> Hi Carl, >>> Chris told me to never sign up for FB, so like an idiot, I tried it >>> to see if I could use it, being blind. Well, we tried to get off >>> the site, and after the little survey where they ask why I wanted to >>> leave we couldn't find anywhere to sign out, and I had someone who >>> can see helping. They want you to get hooked, and spend lots of time in there, like The Family in F.H. >>> 451. >>> >>> Mary >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund >>> Anderson >>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:29 AM >>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> Subject: Re: Krankschaft April Update >>> >>> I couldn't even find it on your page (which, at least, I could >>> find). The mysteries of FB .... >>> >>> I'm gonna check again later on a different machine! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >>> >>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 09:12 , Steve Pond wrote: >>> >>>> Works here Karl, I just tried it in a browser I never use that has >>>> no cache or logins stored and it went straight there.. I can't make >>>> it not go there even via links on non-friended peoples pages.. erk! >>>> >>>> -S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:05:20 -0500, you sent through the ether: >>>> >>>>> On 01 Apr 2011, at 08:56 , Steve Pond wrote: >>>>>> Oh! I almost forgot.. please "like" us on facebook >>>>>> (http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft) When we try to get gigs >>>>>> promoters look there & see we only have 256 "likes" which leads >>>>>> them to assume nobody will come to see us! >>>>> >>>>> I am struggling to get this link to work -- is the page there? >>>>> Mind you, >>> I may well have already "Liked" Krankschaft, but I am having >>> difficulty confirming it! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Carl >>>> > ------- End of Original Message ------- > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 1 12:37:45 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:37:45 +0100 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > Thanks for filling me in on Starshine, I buotght the double sounds like > Starshine is decent enough, wasn't there an additioanl track on the LP > version too ? At Isle of Wight there was a song I didn't recognise, > Robot WOman ? or somethign that Richars sang, complete with video, I > thought that might be the alternative track, if not what was that oh > ancient druids of the sacred tabernacle ? There is another extra track on the vinyl, yes. I haven't got that (though I got it for Kirsten, and will presumably be able to listen to it some time) but what you're describing sounds a lot like it would be `Angela Android' from _Take Me To Your Leader_. There's a video here with bewilderingly unrelated graphics, using a live version for audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dutb5WvrpU Yours, Jon (who is sorry if you'd already thought of that) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Fri Apr 1 12:49:38 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (BOC-L Jamun) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:49:38 -0400 Subject: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: Great stuff, a new Krankshaft CD. I just ordered it. I personally have never been into digital downloads, even for free and even with many TB's of server storage and zillions of music files etc. Keep it physical IMO. I liked that Calvert poster you put in "The Flame Red Superstar" for example and thats one of the reasons why I prefer to have something physical. But a question, what about vinyl? Lots of people are releasing limited editions on vinyl now. Eg the Fruits de Mer Records etc. Have you ever thought of releasing on vinyl in a limited edition run. Now the next Krankshaft on limited edition coloured vinyl, with free 7", CD included and free poster etc. Now that would really be of interest. Well at least to me:) From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Apr 1 16:51:49 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:51:49 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:49:38 -0400, you sent through the ether: > Have you ever >thought of releasing on vinyl in a limited edition run. Now the next >Krankshaft on limited edition coloured vinyl, with free 7", CD included and >free poster etc. Now that would really be of interest We'd all like that! I think we've proven that we like nice packaging, but the problem is expense. we could never afford a vinyl pressing, especially if it were to have a free 7" and a poster too! As a clue, we're still over ?1000 down on the Flame Red Superstar, and we've released 2 CD's since then.. The Song Poems free download had 200 times as many downloads as the total number of CD's we've sold so far.. so the question is, would we rather have many thousands of people hear our music for free.. or hundreds owning it? We are cooking up unique packaging for the next Krankschaft CD, but we'll probably also have some sort of free edition too.. "free" appears to be what most people want to pay for music. It's the price you pay for being an unknown band in a tiny niche! -Steve From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 04:03:10 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't get to the Krankschaft page on Facebook either. Sound Awesome is OK. I haven't got a record player so LP are no good to me anyway. The CDs are all nicely packaged and appreciated by me. Have you thought of charging a little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us can hear the difference? There are no production costs there? On 2 April 2011 04:51, Steve Pond wrote: > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:49:38 -0400, you sent through the ether: > > > Have you ever > >thought of releasing on vinyl in a limited edition run. Now the next > >Krankshaft on limited edition coloured vinyl, with free 7", CD included > and > >free poster etc. Now that would really be of interest > > We'd all like that! > > I think we've proven that we like nice packaging, but the problem is > expense. we could never afford a vinyl pressing, especially if it were > to have a free 7" and a poster too! > > As a clue, we're still over ?1000 down on the Flame Red Superstar, and > we've released 2 CD's since then.. > > The Song Poems free download had 200 times as many downloads as the > total number of CD's we've sold so far.. so the question is, would we > rather have many thousands of people hear our music for free.. or > hundreds owning it? > > We are cooking up unique packaging for the next Krankschaft CD, but > we'll probably also have some sort of free edition too.. "free" > appears to be what most people want to pay for music. > > It's the price you pay for being an unknown band in a tiny niche! > > -Steve > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 04:27:33 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!!) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:27:33 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hope nobody minds me commenting: when I saw Jamun bring up the LPs, I thought "This is painful to watch, poor Steve" Of course I like Jamun's enthusiasm for vinyl, and that's a common bond for us- So anyway, I am not trying to "salt" a "wound" (I swear), but it appears from hearing my friend tell me about record shops here in Texas and my local dealer, etc, that "kids" are getting tired of downloads and many are hungry for a solid piece of plastic like an LP, and vinyl is selling like crazy here again. My local dealer Randy, who had and probably still is one of the best shops in Texas, has basically gone "all vinyl" and runs his show solo now on just vinyl. He does offer some CDs, but very few. Anyway, I was just wondering how big Farflung is now, because I recall they managed to get a limited vinyl pressed of that last one. On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I can't get to the Krankschaft page on Facebook either. Sound Awesome is > OK. > > I haven't got a record player so LP are no good to me anyway. The CDs are > all nicely packaged and appreciated by me. Have you thought of charging a > little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us can > hear the difference? There are no production costs there? > > > On 2 April 2011 04:51, Steve Pond wrote: > >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:49:38 -0400, you sent through the ether: >> >> > Have you ever >> >thought of releasing on vinyl in a limited edition run. Now the next >> >Krankshaft on limited edition coloured vinyl, with free 7", CD included >> and >> >free poster etc. Now that would really be of interest >> >> We'd all like that! >> >> I think we've proven that we like nice packaging, but the problem is >> expense. we could never afford a vinyl pressing, especially if it were >> to have a free 7" and a poster too! >> >> As a clue, we're still over ?1000 down on the Flame Red Superstar, and >> we've released 2 CD's since then.. >> >> The Song Poems free download had 200 times as many downloads as the >> total number of CD's we've sold so far.. so the question is, would we >> rather have many thousands of people hear our music for free.. or >> hundreds owning it? >> >> We are cooking up unique packaging for the next Krankschaft CD, but >> we'll probably also have some sort of free edition too.. "free" >> appears to be what most people want to pay for music. >> >> It's the price you pay for being an unknown band in a tiny niche! >> >> -Steve >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 05:31:41 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 03:31:41 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft/Max Effect April Reminder Message-ID: By the way J- and anyone else I asked you not too long ago of you have or have had the "Max Effect" 45, and I believe I got no reply. That little single is one of my absolute favorite things if not THE favorite thing in the greater ICU family catalogue- I have had several copies, including a test-pressing (OUCH), and I am set to BLAST my neoghbors who receive this stuff with welcome arms, today, with it. as soon as the sun comes up and the hour is somewhat reasonable. I hightly recommend you grab one from Steve if he's still got any left after all these years I think part of it for me, is when they sing "The Wrecker The Wrecker WOAHO-O-0", my mind puts in "THE RECORD THE RECORD" ps- I wonder how many other people can blast "test tube conceived" and be fairly sure the neighbors will have little trouble believing it is a real thing?? From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Apr 2 06:00:26 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:00:26 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >Have you thought of charging a >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us can >hear the difference? I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) What do you thank? -Steve From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sat Apr 2 06:32:23 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:32:23 -0400 Subject: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:00:26 +0100, Steve Pond wrote: >On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, > >Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 > >Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) > >What do you thank? > Terrible idea IMO:) A 500 copy limited gold vinyl, 4 track, 12" EP, with high art psychedelic sleeve, a signed poster included in only 100 copies and an insert code for downloadable mp3. You have missed record day 2011 (April 16th), so I would look at a record day exclusive 2012, via rough trade in the UK. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Apr 2 06:43:16 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:43:16 +0100 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:32:23 -0400, you sent through the ether: >A 500 copy limited gold vinyl, 4 track, 12" EP, with high art psychedelic >sleeve, a signed poster included in only 100 copies and an insert code for >downloadable mp3. You have missed record day 2011 (April 16th), so I would >look at a record day exclusive 2012, via rough trade in the UK. Who will buy the other 427? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 06:47:07 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:47:07 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/2/11, Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com wrote: > On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:00:26 +0100, Steve Pond wrote: > >>On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >>I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >> >>Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >>Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >>Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >> >>Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >> >>What do you thank? >> > Terrible idea IMO:) every story needs a beginning!!! wow the sad ending came fast : ( From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 06:57:37 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:57:37 -0600 Subject: krankschaft Message-ID: I think it is now Jamun's duty to the world to make vinyl happen. I will buy one, immediately From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sat Apr 2 07:09:21 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:09:21 -0400 Subject: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: Who bought the Hausfrauen Experiment? Well 300 did. http://www.fruitsdemerrecords.com/hausfrauenexp.html 500 copies is peanuts IMO. Your website is spot on and you clearly have the technical skills to market a record and manage a website mp3 download key etc. No one gives a f&ck about the actual music on limited vinyl releases. Its a collectors market and all about the having the edition etc. Having said that, "Commotion" IMO, is a very marketable track. Very marketable. I am 100% deadly serious about this. PM me, for further info. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 09:49:27 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:49:27 +0800 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very practical (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- they do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I would even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I ever really print them!). I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music has been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle is fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( > On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >Have you thought of charging a > >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us can > >hear the difference? > > I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, > > Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free > Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice > Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 > > Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) > > What do you thank? > > -Steve > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sat Apr 2 10:24:00 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:49:27 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote: >I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music has >been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better >opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want >records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle is >fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( Its because very few people are buying the digital formats any more. Period. Shops are going bust, trying to sell this stuff. And the ironic reason, is that the "perfect" digital technology makes its "perfectly" rip-able. Once that data is in binary ones and zeros perfect copies can be made of it. I had to laugh at your blu ray comment. Because since day one, that the first blu ray arrived on my doorstep, Professor_Y and myself set about to crack it along with a number of online linux freaks. I think it took a couple of weeks! Now all our "Blu Rays" are sitting on a hard drives and we watch them using PC's. The same goes for DVD-A, and as for CDs well thats a joke. Those dont even have value now. A guy gave me a copy of his 2TB disc the other day containing thousands of CD rips. After a cursory glance I couldn't be bothered copying any of them, because I also have thousands on my servers and hard drives. You have to remember, dude, that there are some people who have been connected with ultra fast DSL connections for years downloading this stuff, off bit torrent etc. In fact the bandwidth and download capability is increasing. A typical Flac rip now takes just a few minutes to download. Using the next mobile technology it will takes seconds. I bought the Krankshaft CD becuase I like to support them. I wouldn't buy the flac as I could generate that off the CD myself. We can have a debate later about why vinyl is better sound quality that CD etc. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 11:11:16 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:11:16 +0800 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whether or not the format is can be copied or not is not the point. CDs are an outmoded format, that's true. The frequency range is very poor. It may take a bit more trouble but there are plenty of copies of 'collector's' LPs around of the Internet too. I'm sure Professor X can work that one out. FLAC files can be higher quality can higher quality than CDs-- or the same. Certainly DVD-A have no value-- they didn't catch for various reasons Do you live in the UK? That's not a place known for its broadband infrastructure No one is buying digital format anymore? I have read exactly the opposite-- that more people are buying music than ever before. Apple don't seem to do too badly out of iTunes. Blu ray has the potential for much better quality than vinyl and the same applies to HD downloads, but may not appeal to the collector's. On 2 April 2011 22:24, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:49:27 +0800, Jonathan Smith > wrote: > > >I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music has > >been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better > >opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want > >records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle > is > >fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( > > Its because very few people are buying the digital formats any more. > Period. > Shops are going bust, trying to sell this stuff. And the ironic reason, is > that the "perfect" digital technology makes its "perfectly" rip-able. Once > that data is in binary ones and zeros perfect copies can be made of it. I > had to laugh at your blu ray comment. Because since day one, that the first > blu ray arrived on my doorstep, Professor_Y and myself set about to crack > it > along with a number of online linux freaks. I think it took a couple of > weeks! Now all our "Blu Rays" are sitting on a hard drives and we watch > them > using PC's. The same goes for DVD-A, and as for CDs well thats a joke. > Those > dont even have value now. A guy gave me a copy of his 2TB disc the other > day > containing thousands of CD rips. After a cursory glance I couldn't be > bothered copying any of them, because I also have thousands on my servers > and hard drives. You have to remember, dude, that there are some people who > have been connected with ultra fast DSL connections for years downloading > this stuff, off bit torrent etc. In fact the bandwidth and download > capability is increasing. A typical Flac rip now takes just a few minutes > to > download. Using the next mobile technology it will takes seconds. I bought > the Krankshaft CD becuase I like to support them. I wouldn't buy the flac > as > I could generate that off the CD myself. > > We can have a debate later about why vinyl is better sound quality that CD > etc. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 12:15:24 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:15:24 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jonathan outed___ :) Jamun too____ :) Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) Just kidding!!!! No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my collection. I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" before. and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them anymore!! SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) Just stuff to show off!!! On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very practical > (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- they > do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I would > even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I ever > really print them!). > > I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music has > been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better > opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want > records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle is > fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( > >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >Have you thought of charging a >> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us can >> >hear the difference? >> >> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >> >> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >> >> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >> >> What do you thank? >> >> -Steve >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 12:19:29 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:19:29 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and my only agenda this morning was: "Oh god, poor Steve, the guy who couldn't care more about going the extra miles and miles" PEACE I think my radiation poisoning MIGHT be fading I AM PRAYING On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > Jonathan outed___ :) > Jamun too____ :) > Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) > Just kidding!!!! > No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my > collection. > I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" before. > and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't > soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by > chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! > But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them > anymore!! > SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! > Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) > Just stuff to show off!!! > > > On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very >> practical >> (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- >> they >> do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I >> would >> even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I >> ever >> really print them!). >> >> I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music >> has >> been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better >> opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want >> records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle >> is >> fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( >> >>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >>> >>> >Have you thought of charging a >>> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us >>> > can >>> >hear the difference? >>> >>> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >>> >>> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >>> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >>> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >>> >>> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >>> >>> What do you thank? >>> >>> -Steve >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 12:49:01 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:49:01 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just thought of something else!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE CDs!! (and whatever better tech to come that does NOT require a computer, I guess) ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY for the perfect playback, the ability to hold more material than LPs, and most of all "shuffle/random" play!! The problem is they have pushed vinyl OUT, as of years ago, which I miss. If there are going to be loads of, say, Hawkwind rehash, let it be WAX so I get a cool pictures like I used to. I want my paper product YOU BASTARDS. I want to pay $3 for CDs THAT is the problem for me..... Also, I am aware that nobody here was ever talking to me, and that I am talking to myself basically, and I am OK with that at this moment, and I am also aware there are 2 factions that were being discussed. KOLLEKTING and "practical listening of music" I am not a huge fan of these heavy flashy vinyl packages either. I'll take my NORMAL record, for a lower price phew!! Love Maniac On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > and my only agenda this morning was: > "Oh god, poor Steve, the guy who couldn't care more about going the > extra miles and miles" > PEACE > I think my radiation poisoning MIGHT be fading > I AM PRAYING > > On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >> Jonathan outed___ :) >> Jamun too____ :) >> Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) >> Just kidding!!!! >> No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my >> collection. >> I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" before. >> and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't >> soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by >> chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! >> But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them >> anymore!! >> SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! >> Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) >> Just stuff to show off!!! >> >> >> On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >>> Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very >>> practical >>> (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- >>> they >>> do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I >>> would >>> even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I >>> ever >>> really print them!). >>> >>> I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music >>> has >>> been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better >>> opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want >>> records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle >>> is >>> fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( >>> >>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >>>> >>>> >Have you thought of charging a >>>> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us >>>> > can >>>> >hear the difference? >>>> >>>> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >>>> >>>> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >>>> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >>>> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >>>> >>>> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >>>> >>>> What do you thank? >>>> >>>> -Steve >>>> >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 13:34:19 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:34:19 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgive me?? please?? still not done in my case, I was not trying to say vinyl was overtaking CD (although it may have come out like that), what I meant was, kollektors and the shops who deal with it are turning back to more vinyl. CDs do not appreciate well, unless they are Steve's or HW 97 or something obscure, and are a dime a dozen on Amazon and shops now have a hard time making much money on them. I want prices down with the lack of 12" paper product. The joke/sham has gone too far. They are cheap to make are they not??, or they used to be anyway, I don't need the answers, I don't care!!!, and I know it gets technical and into who gets what ratio, etc Soon, I will require NO external outside music source!! I will cast off all things to do with HUMANS!!! (almost) :) On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > I just thought of something else!! > I LOVE LOVE LOVE CDs!! (and whatever better tech to come that does NOT > require a computer, I guess) > ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY for the perfect playback, the ability to hold > more material than LPs, and most of all "shuffle/random" play!! > The problem is they have pushed vinyl OUT, as of years ago, which I miss. > If there are going to be loads of, say, Hawkwind rehash, let it be > WAX so I get a cool pictures like I used to. > I want my paper product YOU BASTARDS. > I want to pay $3 for CDs > THAT is the problem for me..... > Also, I am aware that nobody here was ever talking to me, and that I > am talking to myself basically, and I am OK with that at this moment, > and I am also aware there are 2 factions that were being discussed. > KOLLEKTING and "practical listening of music" > I am not a huge fan of these heavy flashy vinyl packages either. > I'll take my NORMAL record, for a lower price > phew!! > Love Maniac > > > On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >> and my only agenda this morning was: >> "Oh god, poor Steve, the guy who couldn't care more about going the >> extra miles and miles" >> PEACE >> I think my radiation poisoning MIGHT be fading >> I AM PRAYING >> >> On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >>> Jonathan outed___ :) >>> Jamun too____ :) >>> Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) >>> Just kidding!!!! >>> No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my >>> collection. >>> I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" before. >>> and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't >>> soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by >>> chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! >>> But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them >>> anymore!! >>> SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! >>> Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) >>> Just stuff to show off!!! >>> >>> >>> On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >>>> Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very >>>> practical >>>> (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- >>>> they >>>> do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I >>>> would >>>> even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I >>>> ever >>>> really print them!). >>>> >>>> I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music >>>> has >>>> been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better >>>> opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want >>>> records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the >>>> needle >>>> is >>>> fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >>>>> >>>>> >Have you thought of charging a >>>>> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us >>>>> > can >>>>> >hear the difference? >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >>>>> >>>>> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >>>>> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >>>>> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >>>>> >>>>> What do you thank? >>>>> >>>>> -Steve >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 20:14:23 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:14:23 -0600 Subject: krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: "krankshaft" name only politiely borrowed as a continuation return of the 12" laser-disc format with audio only. er, something like that with free 12" wax included for cave people I once did this in reverse with live legends From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 21:29:05 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:29:05 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I still have a copy of Live legends on Laser Disc :(. They are even shinier than LPs. I did copy it onto a DVD as it has an extra track on it. Krankshaft could issue audio cassettes! They were good-- especially when they got tangled up inside your car cassette player! On 3 April 2011 08:14, mike c wrote: > "krankshaft" name only politiely borrowed as a continuation > return of the 12" laser-disc format with audio only. > er, something like that > with free 12" wax included for cave people > > I once did this in reverse > with live legends > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 21:32:17 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:32:17 +0800 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CD are very overpriced (i don't mean obscure ones like Krankschaft, but those from Sony etc)-- digital downloads are even more of a rip off, especially iTunes On 3 April 2011 01:34, mike c wrote: > Forgive me?? please?? > still not done > in my case, I was not trying to say vinyl was overtaking CD (although > it may have come out like that), what I meant was, kollektors and the > shops who deal with it are turning back to more vinyl. > CDs do not appreciate well, unless they are Steve's or HW 97 or > something obscure, and are a dime a dozen on Amazon and shops now have > a hard time making much money on them. > I want prices down with the lack of 12" paper product. > The joke/sham has gone too far. > They are cheap to make are they not??, or they used to be > anyway, I don't need the answers, I don't care!!!, and I know it gets > technical and into who gets what ratio, etc > Soon, I will require NO external outside music source!! > I will cast off all things to do with HUMANS!!! (almost) :) > > On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > > I just thought of something else!! > > I LOVE LOVE LOVE CDs!! (and whatever better tech to come that does NOT > > require a computer, I guess) > > ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY for the perfect playback, the ability to hold > > more material than LPs, and most of all "shuffle/random" play!! > > The problem is they have pushed vinyl OUT, as of years ago, which I miss. > > If there are going to be loads of, say, Hawkwind rehash, let it be > > WAX so I get a cool pictures like I used to. > > I want my paper product YOU BASTARDS. > > I want to pay $3 for CDs > > THAT is the problem for me..... > > Also, I am aware that nobody here was ever talking to me, and that I > > am talking to myself basically, and I am OK with that at this moment, > > and I am also aware there are 2 factions that were being discussed. > > KOLLEKTING and "practical listening of music" > > I am not a huge fan of these heavy flashy vinyl packages either. > > I'll take my NORMAL record, for a lower price > > phew!! > > Love Maniac > > > > > > On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > >> and my only agenda this morning was: > >> "Oh god, poor Steve, the guy who couldn't care more about going the > >> extra miles and miles" > >> PEACE > >> I think my radiation poisoning MIGHT be fading > >> I AM PRAYING > >> > >> On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: > >>> Jonathan outed___ :) > >>> Jamun too____ :) > >>> Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) > >>> Just kidding!!!! > >>> No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my > >>> collection. > >>> I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" > before. > >>> and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't > >>> soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by > >>> chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! > >>> But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them > >>> anymore!! > >>> SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! > >>> Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) > >>> Just stuff to show off!!! > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > >>>> Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very > >>>> practical > >>>> (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- > >>>> they > >>>> do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I > >>>> would > >>>> even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I > >>>> ever > >>>> really print them!). > >>>> > >>>> I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music > >>>> has > >>>> been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better > >>>> opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want > >>>> records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the > >>>> needle > >>>> is > >>>> fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >>>>> > >>>>> >Have you thought of charging a > >>>>> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of us > >>>>> > can > >>>>> >hear the difference? > >>>>> > >>>>> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, > >>>>> > >>>>> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free > >>>>> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice > >>>>> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) > >>>>> > >>>>> What do you thank? > >>>>> > >>>>> -Steve > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 21:40:46 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:40:46 -0600 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I still have a copy of Live legends on Laser Disc :(. They are even shinier > than LPs. I did copy it onto a DVD as it has an extra track on it. > > Krankshaft could issue audio cassettes! They were good-- especially when > they got tangled up inside your car cassette player! As long as we're taking back the power here, let's not cheat ourselves!! what could top the joy of unravelled 8-tracks!! and the lovely breaks inbetween songs!! Seeing as how my kollektor friends are still chasing 8-tracks (and I need only look in my closet to see 2 I just got for a friend overseas), and in honor of the "8 track museum" that just opened here in Dallas, I offer this vision up for Krankschaft.... "THE DUMP BOX" 'if it's a format, it's in there, and if it ain't in there, fuggedaboutit" D:) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 2 21:45:38 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:45:38 -0600 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yes, I meant to clarify that point NONE of my rant has anythjing to do with Steve or any of the "God's" product. I just meant CDs in general. I am poor now so I want 'em good and cheap and stone new if I don't get my free 12" vinyl and poster art included : ) WANT WANT WANT and Steve, I will catch up and make up $$$$$ On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > CD are very overpriced (i don't mean obscure ones like Krankschaft, but > those from Sony etc)-- digital downloads are even more of a rip off, > especially iTunes > > On 3 April 2011 01:34, mike c wrote: > >> Forgive me?? please?? >> still not done >> in my case, I was not trying to say vinyl was overtaking CD (although >> it may have come out like that), what I meant was, kollektors and the >> shops who deal with it are turning back to more vinyl. >> CDs do not appreciate well, unless they are Steve's or HW 97 or >> something obscure, and are a dime a dozen on Amazon and shops now have >> a hard time making much money on them. >> I want prices down with the lack of 12" paper product. >> The joke/sham has gone too far. >> They are cheap to make are they not??, or they used to be >> anyway, I don't need the answers, I don't care!!!, and I know it gets >> technical and into who gets what ratio, etc >> Soon, I will require NO external outside music source!! >> I will cast off all things to do with HUMANS!!! (almost) :) >> >> On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >> > I just thought of something else!! >> > I LOVE LOVE LOVE CDs!! (and whatever better tech to come that does NOT >> > require a computer, I guess) >> > ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY for the perfect playback, the ability to hold >> > more material than LPs, and most of all "shuffle/random" play!! >> > The problem is they have pushed vinyl OUT, as of years ago, which I >> > miss. >> > If there are going to be loads of, say, Hawkwind rehash, let it be >> > WAX so I get a cool pictures like I used to. >> > I want my paper product YOU BASTARDS. >> > I want to pay $3 for CDs >> > THAT is the problem for me..... >> > Also, I am aware that nobody here was ever talking to me, and that I >> > am talking to myself basically, and I am OK with that at this moment, >> > and I am also aware there are 2 factions that were being discussed. >> > KOLLEKTING and "practical listening of music" >> > I am not a huge fan of these heavy flashy vinyl packages either. >> > I'll take my NORMAL record, for a lower price >> > phew!! >> > Love Maniac >> > >> > >> > On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >> >> and my only agenda this morning was: >> >> "Oh god, poor Steve, the guy who couldn't care more about going the >> >> extra miles and miles" >> >> PEACE >> >> I think my radiation poisoning MIGHT be fading >> >> I AM PRAYING >> >> >> >> On 4/2/11, mike c wrote: >> >>> Jonathan outed___ :) >> >>> Jamun too____ :) >> >>> Oh what the hell, Humanity outed___ :) >> >>> Just kidding!!!! >> >>> No fluff on my needles EVER and no scratches on 99.5 percent of my >> >>> collection. >> >>> I have compared things to "fast food" versus "serving up a meal" >> before. >> >>> and then there's that pesky art that requires no squinting. and isn't >> >>> soiled by finger-grease if you want to let a friend have a look, by >> >>> chance they could see anything or brought their glasses along!! >> >>> But hey, I am good with CDs too, just not really attracted to them >> >>> anymore!! >> >>> SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! >> >>> Nobody ACTUALLY PLAYS their Kollektions anyway (right Mike?) >> >>> Just stuff to show off!!! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> >>>> Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very >> >>>> practical >> >>>> (although the right to being able to re-download them is >> >>>> appreciated-- >> >>>> they >> >>>> do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I >> >>>> would >> >>>> even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I >> >>>> ever >> >>>> really print them!). >> >>>> >> >>>> I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD >> >>>> music >> >>>> has >> >>>> been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better >> >>>> opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still >> >>>> want >> >>>> records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the >> >>>> needle >> >>>> is >> >>>> fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:03:10 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >Have you thought of charging a >> >>>>> >little extra for lossless downloads? Like flac or wav, as some of >> >>>>> > us >> >>>>> > can >> >>>>> >hear the difference? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I was thinking for the next one of having a 3 tiered system, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tier 1: 128k MP3 Free >> >>>>> Tier 2: High Quality MP3 or Flac - Donation of your choice >> >>>>> Tier 3: CD with the splendid packaging ?10 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hopefully the CD packaging will sway people onto option 3 :o) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> What do you thank? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -Steve >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 05:25:24 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:25:24 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, Pigface (Martin Atkins' band) really did issue an 8-track collector's item of their last album-- for something like $100. Don't know if anyone bought it... I have some format that's half way between a CD and laser disc (not a VCD)-- can't even remember what's its called or what it played on now. On 3 April 2011 09:40, mike c wrote: > On 4/2/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I still have a copy of Live legends on Laser Disc :(. They are even > shinier > > than LPs. I did copy it onto a DVD as it has an extra track on it. > > > > Krankshaft could issue audio cassettes! They were good-- especially when > > they got tangled up inside your car cassette player! > > As long as we're taking back the power here, let's not cheat > ourselves!! what could top the joy of unravelled 8-tracks!! and the > lovely breaks inbetween songs!! > Seeing as how my kollektor friends are still chasing 8-tracks (and I > need only look in my closet to see 2 I just got for a friend > overseas), and in honor of the "8 track museum" that just opened here > in Dallas, I offer this vision up for Krankschaft.... > "THE DUMP BOX" > 'if it's a format, it's in there, and if it ain't in there, fuggedaboutit" > D:) > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sun Apr 3 10:23:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:23:06 -0400 Subject: Help needed Message-ID: Its already been posted on the Hawkwind forum. Who is this band? It was recorded from 21st June 1978 through midnight to the 22nd June 1978. Hence it was recorded exactly through the summer solstice of 1978. Oh yes it was at the Stonehenge free festival. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPPdmZrsWw I have a copy of the whole performance, ready for audio enhancement. The copy I have is one of THE finest bootleg recordings, from such an era. This is mainly because the tent it was recorded in was silent (stoned hippies, crashed out) and the taper had a very high quality recorder. As such it need archiving for future generations/broadcast. Its not ""Eye to the power of Three". No such band IMO. Its also not "Here & Now" as Keith from "Here & Now" has confirmed. It is suggested that its a band called Thandoy. Steve Higgins. (KarmaKanix) Guitar, vocal. Mike Howlett. (Gong) Bass and switch-doctoring Steve Cassidy. (Here and Now): Drums, percussion The bass guitarist definitely sounds like Mike Howlett from Gong. Also he was there at the festival as he played at the time with Nik Turner's Sphynx who performed. Any ideas? Help? From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 16:12:52 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:12:52 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03 Apr 2011, at 04:25 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > I have some format that's half way between a CD and laser disc (not a VCD)-- > can't even remember what's its called or what it played on now. If I recall aright, VCD became big in Asia as a video format in the days before DVD. I'm not sure if it's still a big deal, even tehre, anymore. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun Apr 3 17:31:17 2011 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:31:17 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <2A3E501D-AE3A-4180-A5DC-6B76E5A45F5D@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 03/04/2011 4:12 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03 Apr 2011, at 04:25 , Jonathan Smith wrote: >> I have some format that's half way between a CD and laser disc (not a VCD)-- >> can't even remember what's its called or what it played on now. > > If I recall aright, VCD became big in Asia as a video format in the days before DVD. I'm not sure if it's still a big deal, even tehre, anymore. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ If it's audio, I'm thinking either SACD or DVD-A. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 17:40:09 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:40:09 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Apr 2011, at 20:32 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > CD are very overpriced (i don't mean obscure ones like Krankschaft, but > those from Sony etc)-- digital downloads are even more of a rip off, > especially iTunes iTunes is a dreadful rip-off, IMO: you pay bascially the same that you do for a CD, except lower quality and less control. But, clearly, my views are in the minority; iTunes does, after all, sell a lot of digital music and makes a fair pile of money. I think the real issue we are seeing is that music consumers are a tremendously fragmented group, and different portions of this group relate to music in very different ways -- and are thus willing to part with their money for very different reasons or enticements, if at all. Some people are major Kollektors, and would cheerfully part with significant sums for that vinyl or 8-track special edition, others want it on their hard drive, or streaming. Some demand analogue, others digital, others don't care as long as it's convenient. Some listen on audiophile systems, others in a noisy car where some of speakers don-t work, others in their headphones, others with the radio in the background. Some passionately follow every nuance and detail of everything their favorite artist does, sings or plays, others simply listen to whatever is on the radio or the bar's PA. Some care a lot about musicianship and/or personal experience in live performance, others ... don't. :) The thing is that the steady collapse of the one-sie-fits-all music industry that we knew is sort of exposing all of these different styles, and no one new approach probably can address all of it. Industry-wise, the winners in tomorrow's music industry will be those who figure out best how to leverage the most different kinds of consumer attitudes towards music such that they make money from exploiting those attitudes. Versatility and agility in the music business environment will be key. From the point of view of consumers and artists ... well, it's quite hard to tell who, if anyone will win. But, then, both consumers and artists have never really been on the winning side in this equation .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 17:58:28 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:58:28 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <4D98E725.8040501@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 03 Apr 2011, at 16:31 , Jerry G wrote: > If it's audio, I'm thinking either SACD or DVD-A. Probably. Neither of those ever really took off because, I think, there was no real consumer need. I think convenience played a big role in moving people from LP and cassette to CD -- but is improved sound quality (from CD to SACD or DVD-A) really that key in the mass market? I doubt it. I think the driver in digital music uptake is, again, convenience. I have a 2TB drive sitting on my desk that is not quite half full of mostly losslessly ripped music. A present, it would play music (and a few audio books, etc.) for 4 months without repeating (well, except for cases where I have duplicate songs from different albums, or different releases, that sorta thing). It takes up about as much space as a hefty-ish hardback novel. I can search it easily and things do not tend to get misplaced, misplaced, or fall down behind the sofa. So far, it is out of reach of the baby (who is rough on optical disks!). Now pretty much all of that is stuff I ripped myself, but I would happily forgo the ripping if I could simply buy CD-quality (or better) digital tracks that were already correctly tagged with all the right metadata. I would not want to pay as much as I do for a CD, since clearly there is no physical product and thus no physical production costs, transportation costs, etc. And if I can't "try before I buy" (in one way or another), then I am unlikely to take a chance on anything that I'm not pretty sure I'm gonna like unless we are talking about very low prices indeed. But, really, here again, we are talking about convenience. There is considerably more competition for people's entertainment budget, in terms of both time and money, than there used to be. Ultimately, someone is going to look for the maximum entertainment for some function of time vs. money. How different people will define "maximum entertainment" will surely vary, but they will all look for it, whatever it is. Only if someone defines entertainment as "kollekting rare vinyl editions" will they pay for that, and invest the necessary time to do it. If someone's definition of entertainment is met more easily by listening to the radio -- or downloading the new hit single (legally or illegally) and listening to it a few times before downloading the next hit single (rinse, repeat) -- then that's what they are going to do. The trick -- whether for artists or whatever the new paradigm in attempting to "organize" the music industry turns out to be -- is figuring how to capitalize on people's tendency towards the easiest path, and also how to make the most of what are likely to be a variety of different "easiest" paths of very different sizes and characteristics, depending on the particular interests of different kinds of consumers. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 17:59:03 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:59:03 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: we're gonna need Krankschaft reel-to-reel-, I'm donning the bio-suit and heading back in :) send the bio-bots if I'm not back in a couple days On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 02 Apr 2011, at 20:32 , Jonathan Smith wrote: >> CD are very overpriced (i don't mean obscure ones like Krankschaft, but >> those from Sony etc)-- digital downloads are even more of a rip off, >> especially iTunes > > iTunes is a dreadful rip-off, IMO: you pay bascially the same that you do > for a CD, except lower quality and less control. But, clearly, my views are > in the minority; iTunes does, after all, sell a lot of digital music and > makes a fair pile of money. > > I think the real issue we are seeing is that music consumers are a > tremendously fragmented group, and different portions of this group relate > to music in very different ways -- and are thus willing to part with their > money for very different reasons or enticements, if at all. > > Some people are major Kollektors, and would cheerfully part with significant > sums for that vinyl or 8-track special edition, others want it on their hard > drive, or streaming. Some demand analogue, others digital, others don't > care as long as it's convenient. Some listen on audiophile systems, others > in a noisy car where some of speakers don-t work, others in their > headphones, others with the radio in the background. Some passionately > follow every nuance and detail of everything their favorite artist does, > sings or plays, others simply listen to whatever is on the radio or the > bar's PA. Some care a lot about musicianship and/or personal experience in > live performance, others ... don't. :) > > The thing is that the steady collapse of the one-sie-fits-all music industry > that we knew is sort of exposing all of these different styles, and no one > new approach probably can address all of it. Industry-wise, the winners in > tomorrow's music industry will be those who figure out best how to leverage > the most different kinds of consumer attitudes towards music such that they > make money from exploiting those attitudes. Versatility and agility in the > music business environment will be key. From the point of view of consumers > and artists ... well, it's quite hard to tell who, if anyone will win. But, > then, both consumers and artists have never really been on the winning side > in this equation .... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 18:05:37 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:05:37 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Apr 2011, at 08:49 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > Great idea! I'll always buy the CDs, but lossless files are very practical > (although the right to being able to re-download them is appreciated-- they > do get lost sometimes). If *real HD files* (24 bit) were available, I would > even prefer the files (covers for download would be good-- not that I ever > really print them!). I won't buy the CDs because the would be no local distribution, nor is local delivery from overseas so reliable that I would be inclined to chance it. On the other hand, digital downloads arrive quickly and securely: we like! > I can't understand the fashion for vinyl. Technology for real HD music has > been around for years (SACD, DVD-A), and blu ray provides even better > opportunities, without needing a special player, but people still want > records. I know the scratches sound nice the and the fluff on the needle is > fun, but why not re-introduce wax cylinders! :( I think the vinyl thing is a strictly "kollektor" thing: part nostalgia perhaps, part exclusivity. Plenty of hobbies have, after all, little practical value -- people do it because they do it. Teens who have a particular passion for that kind of hobby will doubtless buy vinyl -- but there is little doubt that the average teen is not doing any such thing. The average teen is probably torrenting a handful for dodgy MP3s which they listen to for a few weeks before never listening to again because they've torrented another handful of dodgy MP3s. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 18:07:30 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:07:30 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: but mostly, good post Carl, enjoyed it while I squiggle around with the radition dose I am not supped to officially have got. (however big or small) I but out On 4/3/11, mike c wrote: > we're gonna need Krankschaft reel-to-reel-, I'm donning the bio-suit > and heading back in :) > send the bio-bots if I'm not back in a couple days > > On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 02 Apr 2011, at 20:32 , Jonathan Smith wrote: >>> CD are very overpriced (i don't mean obscure ones like Krankschaft, but >>> those from Sony etc)-- digital downloads are even more of a rip off, >>> especially iTunes >> >> iTunes is a dreadful rip-off, IMO: you pay bascially the same that you do >> for a CD, except lower quality and less control. But, clearly, my views >> are >> in the minority; iTunes does, after all, sell a lot of digital music and >> makes a fair pile of money. >> >> I think the real issue we are seeing is that music consumers are a >> tremendously fragmented group, and different portions of this group >> relate >> to music in very different ways -- and are thus willing to part with >> their >> money for very different reasons or enticements, if at all. >> >> Some people are major Kollektors, and would cheerfully part with >> significant >> sums for that vinyl or 8-track special edition, others want it on their >> hard >> drive, or streaming. Some demand analogue, others digital, others don't >> care as long as it's convenient. Some listen on audiophile systems, >> others >> in a noisy car where some of speakers don-t work, others in their >> headphones, others with the radio in the background. Some passionately >> follow every nuance and detail of everything their favorite artist does, >> sings or plays, others simply listen to whatever is on the radio or the >> bar's PA. Some care a lot about musicianship and/or personal experience >> in >> live performance, others ... don't. :) >> >> The thing is that the steady collapse of the one-sie-fits-all music >> industry >> that we knew is sort of exposing all of these different styles, and no >> one >> new approach probably can address all of it. Industry-wise, the winners >> in >> tomorrow's music industry will be those who figure out best how to >> leverage >> the most different kinds of consumer attitudes towards music such that >> they >> make money from exploiting those attitudes. Versatility and agility in >> the >> music business environment will be key. From the point of view of >> consumers >> and artists ... well, it's quite hard to tell who, if anyone will win. >> But, >> then, both consumers and artists have never really been on the winning >> side >> in this equation .... ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 18:17:39 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:17:39 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> I think the vinyl thing is a strictly "kollektor" thing: part nostalgia > perhaps, part exclusivity. Plenty of hobbies have, after all, little > practical value -- people do it because they do it. Teens who have a > particular passion for that kind of hobby will doubtless buy vinyl -- but > there is little doubt that the average teen is not doing any such thing. > The average teen is probably torrenting a handful for dodgy MP3s which they > listen to for a few weeks before never listening to again because they've > torrented another handful of dodgy MP3s. > > Cheers, > Carl "teen" maybe imagined word as remembered by my old fart friend Pierre when recounting the clip on our local news about a shop in Denton that we alll know, announcing vinyl was back in a big way. Same story from my local shop, who is BOOMING on (basically) vinyl alone. Nobody is saying vinyl can compete in any way with other means. simpy that it is selling "Like Hotcakes" I know it gets my bucks, and OPC too I think there is just a lot of "practical music listeners" on here, to whom kollekting may sem silly From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 18:29:11 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:29:11 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <7FFF002A-5063-4AD7-B044-D83A5E1D57C8@carlaz.com> Message-ID: getting krankschaft pressed on LP really isn't THIS big an issue :( I knew Steve would have if he could have and for now, he can't. case closed there!! NOT a big deal!!! On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03 Apr 2011, at 16:31 , Jerry G wrote: >> If it's audio, I'm thinking either SACD or DVD-A. > > Probably. Neither of those ever really took off because, I think, there was > no real consumer need. I think convenience played a big role in moving > people from LP and cassette to CD -- but is improved sound quality (from CD > to SACD or DVD-A) really that key in the mass market? I doubt it. I think > the driver in digital music uptake is, again, convenience. > > I have a 2TB drive sitting on my desk that is not quite half full of mostly > losslessly ripped music. A present, it would play music (and a few audio > books, etc.) for 4 months without repeating (well, except for cases where I > have duplicate songs from different albums, or different releases, that > sorta thing). It takes up about as much space as a hefty-ish hardback > novel. I can search it easily and things do not tend to get misplaced, > misplaced, or fall down behind the sofa. So far, it is out of reach of the > baby (who is rough on optical disks!). > > Now pretty much all of that is stuff I ripped myself, but I would happily > forgo the ripping if I could simply buy CD-quality (or better) digital > tracks that were already correctly tagged with all the right metadata. I > would not want to pay as much as I do for a CD, since clearly there is no > physical product and thus no physical production costs, transportation > costs, etc. And if I can't "try before I buy" (in one way or another), then > I am unlikely to take a chance on anything that I'm not pretty sure I'm > gonna like unless we are talking about very low prices indeed. > > But, really, here again, we are talking about convenience. There is > considerably more competition for people's entertainment budget, in terms of > both time and money, than there used to be. Ultimately, someone is going to > look for the maximum entertainment for some function of time vs. money. How > different people will define "maximum entertainment" will surely vary, but > they will all look for it, whatever it is. Only if someone defines > entertainment as "kollekting rare vinyl editions" will they pay for that, > and invest the necessary time to do it. If someone's definition of > entertainment is met more easily by listening to the radio -- or downloading > the new hit single (legally or illegally) and listening to it a few times > before downloading the next hit single (rinse, repeat) -- then that's what > they are going to do. > > The trick -- whether for artists or whatever the new paradigm in attempting > to "organize" the music industry turns out to be -- is figuring how to > capitalize on people's tendency towards the easiest path, and also how to > make the most of what are likely to be a variety of different "easiest" > paths of very different sizes and characteristics, depending on the > particular interests of different kinds of consumers. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 18:44:43 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:44:43 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03 Apr 2011, at 17:17 , mike c wrote: > "teen" maybe imagined word as remembered by my old fart friend Pierre > when recounting the clip on our local news about a shop in Denton that > we alll know, announcing vinyl was back in a big way. > Same story from my local shop, who is BOOMING on (basically) vinyl alone. > Nobody is saying vinyl can compete in any way with other means. simpy > that it is selling "Like Hotcakes" > I know it gets my bucks, and OPC too > I think there is just a lot of "practical music listeners" on here, to > whom kollekting may sem silly I think this is precisely an example of "knowing and targeting the market". I am perfectly willing to believe that it is possible to run a successful shop that specializes in vinyl, new and used. Is there a niche market for vinyl that can be exploited successfully? Absolutely, yes. But do vinyl records have a big mainstream future? I would bet strongly on "absolutely not". After all, are the majority of people consuming new music consuming it by purchasing vinyl? Absolutely not. And (a subtly different question), is the majority of revenue in the music industry generated by selling vinyl? Absolutely not. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 18:51:26 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:51:26 -0500 Subject: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: <56567166-31DC-4C54-B9CF-6E6FD892873B@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03 Apr 2011, at 17:17 , mike c wrote: >> "teen" maybe imagined word as remembered by my old fart friend Pierre >> when recounting the clip on our local news about a shop in Denton that >> we alll know, announcing vinyl was back in a big way. >> Same story from my local shop, who is BOOMING on (basically) vinyl alone. >> Nobody is saying vinyl can compete in any way with other means. simpy >> that it is selling "Like Hotcakes" >> I know it gets my bucks, and OPC too >> I think there is just a lot of "practical music listeners" on here, to >> whom kollekting may sem silly > > > I think this is precisely an example of "knowing and targeting the market". > I am perfectly willing to believe that it is possible to run a successful > shop that specializes in vinyl, new and used. Is there a niche market for > vinyl that can be exploited successfully? Absolutely, yes. But do vinyl > records have a big mainstream future? I would bet strongly on "absolutely > not". After all, are the majority of people consuming new music consuming > it by purchasing vinyl? Absolutely not. And (a subtly different question), > is the majority of revenue in the music industry generated by selling vinyl? > Absolutely not. You just made me realise. I must strictly, and I mean "STRICLY", NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy anything new on anything but vinyl EVER AGAIN, or unless it can be proven that my little caveman dagger-stabs actaully found their mark :)!!!! NOTHING SERSIOUS Carl, just trying to make the best of a post HAARP/tectonic warfare "nuclear ravished", ME!!! or whatever tumped it over.....conspiracy need not apply :) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 3 18:55:17 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:55:17 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In the scheme of things, no probably not a big deal ... ;) I mean, I'm not stuck in the middle of a civil war, nor have tsunamis or earthquakes leveled my house, nor I am I (to my knowledge) being wickedly irradiated. So if I can't get a vinyl record, then (especially considering I have no means of playing such a thing), I will probably survive .... Still, all the other jazz aside, I do think the "brave new world" of online communication and distribution contain considerable opportunities for artists -- "opportunities", though, which are not at all the same thing as out-and-out "advantages"! It is, after all, probably easier to make decent sounding music (regardless of how good that music may be" than ever before. It is easier to find people who might like your music (regardless of what kind of music it is) in the farthest-flung corners of the world, communicate with those people, and make one's music accessible to them in some way. And even if international travel, however easier now than it may have once been, is still not easy enough to play gigs around the world, it is at the very least easier than ever to let your local fans know when and where you'll be performing, and to help get them spread the word. What may be _harder_ than ever before is catching and holding people's attention -- at least long enough to get them to part with their money for a ticket, a download, a CD, a T-shirt, or whatever it is that you might be vending directly or indirectly. Cheers, Carl On 03 Apr 2011, at 17:29 , mike c wrote: > getting krankschaft pressed on LP really isn't THIS big an issue :( > I knew Steve would have if he could have and for now, he can't. > case closed there!! > NOT a big deal!!! -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 19:08:33 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:08:33 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <5386DABA-FDFC-4AF0-A1C1-D74FA8F181A3@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > In the scheme of things, no probably not a big deal ... ;) I mean, I'm not > stuck in the middle of a civil war, nor have tsunamis or earthquakes leveled > my house, nor I am I (to my knowledge) being wickedly irradiated. So if I > can't get a vinyl record, then (especially considering I have no means of > playing such a thing), I will probably survive .... > > Still, all the other jazz aside, I do think the "brave new world" of online > communication and distribution contain considerable opportunities for > artists -- "opportunities", though, which are not at all the same thing as > out-and-out "advantages"! It is, after all, probably easier to make decent > sounding music (regardless of how good that music may be" than ever before. > It is easier to find people who might like your music (regardless of what > kind of music it is) in the farthest-flung corners of the world, communicate > with those people, and make one's music accessible to them in some way. And > even if international travel, however easier now than it may have once been, > is still not easy enough to play gigs around the world, it is at the very > least easier than ever to let your local fans know when and where you'll be > performing, and to help get them spread the word. > > What may be _harder_ than ever before is catching and holding people's > attention -- at least long enough to get them to part with their money for a > ticket, a download, a CD, a T-shirt, or whatever it is that you might be > vending directly or indirectly. > > Cheers, > Carl Absolutely agreed before I try my best to stop making a whetever it may be that I always may be making of myself, I just want to share that for me, ending up still alive and living (for various reasons), totally alone about 360 days a year, relcaiming things on vinyl that I lost has been my passion since 2007. I am not even a "vinyl person" really, just a 46-year old retracing the child part of me that wanted my "stuff" back. I have done so well, and also had a lot of struggle, that I am toning down "mining operations" and I expect to have more money for things over on that side of the POND. pretty soon. I cal tell I have "randomly" received some contact with radiation it's freaky like the "background strych-ie feeling" for anyone familiar with "that stuff" night May we all have access to our preferred "music pill" of choice, and not have the red or blue colour affect the other ones!!! From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 20:13:13 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:13:13 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: People *are* listening to a wider range of music than ever before, despite the big companies. As a listener, my musical life is greatly enhanced these days. I used to be limited to a few LPs which you had heard too many times, your friend's LPs and poor quality audio cassette recordings. Thank god there were bargain bins and second hand shops. Everyone who has come through the PC/ Internet explosion over the past few years knows how to get hold of music without paying, but I have bought a lot of music I would never have heard as well. Young people may or may not know-- so many people buy from iTunes you wonder. You should be able listen to music before you pay-- too many big bands produce rubbish because they know they have the market. I still quite like CDs as they are a real album and have some packaging to look at and they are usually better quality than digital downloads. I have too many now though-- its easier to find something on my hard drive but also easier to lose completely. Companies like Apple are very obstructive. They have cornered a market by clever marketing and stealing of ideas from elsewhere (ironically one of the iPods included controls stolen from a Asian company). They have sold the idea of the MP3 player being their's and manage to make people buy from iTunes at ridiculous prices. Their computers, whilst better than PCs, don't even support Blu-Ray discs because they want to sell HD video from iTunes. I think that the next innovations will probably come from China. They are already rolling out a 4G phone network of their own. Their main search engine, Baidu, actually contains an MP3 search on its home page, so selling MP3s is hard and genuine copies of CDs/DVDs/BDs are hard to buy or tell from copies. They will have to work out a way of selling entertainment, but doing that for sake of American and Japanese companies would be pointless for them. On 4 April 2011 07:08, mike c wrote: > On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > In the scheme of things, no probably not a big deal ... ;) I mean, I'm > not > > stuck in the middle of a civil war, nor have tsunamis or earthquakes > leveled > > my house, nor I am I (to my knowledge) being wickedly irradiated. So if > I > > can't get a vinyl record, then (especially considering I have no means of > > playing such a thing), I will probably survive .... > > > > Still, all the other jazz aside, I do think the "brave new world" of > online > > communication and distribution contain considerable opportunities for > > artists -- "opportunities", though, which are not at all the same thing > as > > out-and-out "advantages"! It is, after all, probably easier to make > decent > > sounding music (regardless of how good that music may be" than ever > before. > > It is easier to find people who might like your music (regardless of what > > kind of music it is) in the farthest-flung corners of the world, > communicate > > with those people, and make one's music accessible to them in some way. > And > > even if international travel, however easier now than it may have once > been, > > is still not easy enough to play gigs around the world, it is at the very > > least easier than ever to let your local fans know when and where you'll > be > > performing, and to help get them spread the word. > > > > What may be _harder_ than ever before is catching and holding people's > > attention -- at least long enough to get them to part with their money > for a > > ticket, a download, a CD, a T-shirt, or whatever it is that you might be > > vending directly or indirectly. > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > Absolutely agreed > before I try my best to stop making a whetever it may be that I always > may be making of myself, I just want to share that for me, ending up > still alive and living (for various reasons), totally alone about 360 > days a year, relcaiming things on vinyl that I lost has been my > passion since 2007. I am not even a "vinyl person" really, just a > 46-year old retracing the child part of me that wanted my "stuff" > back. I have done so well, and also had a lot of struggle, that I am > toning down "mining operations" and I expect to have more money for > things over on that side of the POND. pretty soon. > I cal tell I have "randomly" received some contact with radiation > it's freaky > like the "background strych-ie feeling" for anyone familiar with "that > stuff" > night > May we all have access to our preferred "music pill" of choice, and > not have the red or blue colour affect the other ones!!! > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 3 20:20:57 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:20:57 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <2A3E501D-AE3A-4180-A5DC-6B76E5A45F5D@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Original VCDs still sell in Asia but are not a big thing. Most files seem to sell in DVD format with a few BDs around. People will buy them, despite pirating, if the price is low enough VCDs are so much worse to watch than DVDs that they are not of much interest-- they wouldn't sell them in Europe as they were so easily copied. (I still have a Hawkwind VCD of *Chronicle of the Black Sword*, not that its any use to me. Most people will be watching digital TV and movies from torrents now if they know how! On 4 April 2011 04:12, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03 Apr 2011, at 04:25 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I have some format that's half way between a CD and laser disc (not a > VCD)-- > > can't even remember what's its called or what it played on now. > > If I recall aright, VCD became big in Asia as a video format in the days > before DVD. I'm not sure if it's still a big deal, even tehre, anymore. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 4 07:55:41 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 06:55:41 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03 Apr 2011, at 19:20 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > Original VCDs still sell in Asia but are not a big thing. Most files seem to > sell in DVD format with a few BDs around. People will buy them, despite > pirating, if the price is low enough VCDs are so much worse to watch than > DVDs that they are not of much interest-- they wouldn't sell them in Europe > as they were so easily copied. (I still have a Hawkwind VCD of *Chronicle of > the Black Sword*, not that its any use to me. At least one of my former DVD players would play VCDs, but my only VCD was a fan bootleg of some 1970 vintage Jethro Tull footage that I downloaded and burned from the Internet back in the Napster era. (Ironically, I did watch it principally on my computer because it was a while before I figured out that my then DVD player would play it!). > Most people will be watching digital TV and movies from torrents now if they > know how! I would guess that in the developing world, most people are watching torrents or someone else's pirate copies (made or sold). Legitimate shops are relatively few, concentrated in urban areas, and necessarily expensive (since you are paying first world prices plus a big import markup). Markets with pirate vendors are larger and have much wider selections, but again or relatively few in number and found mostly in urban areas. On the other hand, decent broadband is widely available and accessible. "You," as they say, "do the math" .... I would guess that most people in the video and game companies would be scrambling to get digital-only distribution going. If you can sell directly to the consumer's TV or console, sure, people could and would still pirate it, but you would be able to control pricing much more finely, such that you found the pricing point where people stopped to bother pirating stuff because it was more convenient to cough up the local equivalent of a few pence to watch the real thing. Basically, everyone would like to do what Apple is trying to do with iTunes -- only better. It remains to be seen whether this turns out to be good for anyone. Still ... I don't watch a lot of TV, but a few shows. Broadcast is delayed locally, compared to the US or UK, but I can easily torrent digital HD widescreen 5.1 copies of shows soon after they are aired, which seems an improvement to me over waiting months for the analogue 4.3 stereo broadcast here. But would I pay a few pennies to see the show at full quality without lifting a finger? Sure! Of course, the service would have to be available (which it isn't), and it would have to cost less than the local rate for my lifting a finger or two to torrent and burn the show anyway (and it would remain to be seen whether the marketing geniuses get that equation right!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 4 08:16:25 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 07:16:25 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03 Apr 2011, at 19:13 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > Companies like Apple are very obstructive. They have cornered a market by > clever marketing and stealing of ideas from elsewhere (ironically one of the > iPods included controls stolen from a Asian company). They have sold the > idea of the MP3 player being their's and manage to make people buy from > iTunes at ridiculous prices. Their computers, whilst better than PCs, don't > even support Blu-Ray discs because they want to sell HD video from iTunes. While Apple are no angels (who is?), I don't think they are doing anything much different than anyone else would do if they could do. Regardless of where the ideas came from, they have produced popular products that no one else produced first; no one forces people to buy iPods or downloads from the iTMS. People who don't want an iPod don't have to buy one. (I have one.) People who don't want to pay for (IMO, overpriced) lossy downloads from iTMS don-t have to buy one. And let's not forget: most of the planet's population couldn't buy from iTMS even if they wanted to because they don't have a credit/debit card from a bank in the countries where iTMS is available. With regards to Blu-Ray, I can see why Apple held out while the format war was still going on -- but that's over now. Not building BD into new Macs seems silly -- rather like Steve Job's dislike of Flash video. (OK, yes, I also dislike Flash video, and it is too often used in really annoying ways, but still ....) I can't imagine BD drives on Macs would impact iTunes video sales that much: People buy from iTMS for _convenience_; people buy from iTMS because, very often in the first world, the time it would take to rip CDs is more valuable than the price of buying the tracks from iTMS separately. (Or, as noted, they buy from iTMS because they don-t care about having the CD and just want to hear the new song from Artist Flavour of the Month). Ultimately, it won't matter, because I can't imagine a scenario in which physical disks (or similar) remain the primary means of delivering A/V entertainment. The music industry missed the boat on this one, but video and game content developers/vendors will at the very least not make all of the same mistakes. Meanwhile, if a Mac user wants, they could just buy a Blu-Ray player .... well, maybe I wouldn't be able to do so with much ease locally! I might have to go to the States. But it could be done. > I think that the next innovations will probably come from China. They are > already rolling out a 4G phone network of their own. Their main search > engine, Baidu, actually contains an MP3 search on its home page, so selling > MP3s is hard and genuine copies of CDs/DVDs/BDs are hard to buy or tell from > copies. They will have to work out a way of selling entertainment, but doing > that for sake of American and Japanese companies would be pointless for > them. China has worked out a way of selling entertainment, but it revolves around live appearances (often at shopping malls, etc.) and product placement by artists. Humans are social creatures, and celebrity remains vendable even when recorded music is not! ;) One of the tricks with the Chinese market is, however, that it mirrors one of the tricks of the whole rest of the planet: you have a relatively small number of people with a relatively large amount of money and a relatively large number of people with a relatively small amount of money, and all of these people want access to more or less the same stuff; meanwhile, high-speeed digital communication is connecting all of these people very, very quickly indeed. You really, really want to tap into that big developing market of as yet relatively poor people, but traditional structures do let you do it very well. As usual, you need to figure out what different groups of people will be willing to pay in order not to pirate your stuff, and deliver that. Having done this, whoever does it will then get very rich! ;) Cheers, Carl > > On 4 April 2011 07:08, mike c wrote: > >> On 4/3/11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>> In the scheme of things, no probably not a big deal ... ;) I mean, I'm >> not >>> stuck in the middle of a civil war, nor have tsunamis or earthquakes >> leveled >>> my house, nor I am I (to my knowledge) being wickedly irradiated. So if >> I >>> can't get a vinyl record, then (especially considering I have no means of >>> playing such a thing), I will probably survive .... >>> >>> Still, all the other jazz aside, I do think the "brave new world" of >> online >>> communication and distribution contain considerable opportunities for >>> artists -- "opportunities", though, which are not at all the same thing >> as >>> out-and-out "advantages"! It is, after all, probably easier to make >> decent >>> sounding music (regardless of how good that music may be" than ever >> before. >>> It is easier to find people who might like your music (regardless of what >>> kind of music it is) in the farthest-flung corners of the world, >> communicate >>> with those people, and make one's music accessible to them in some way. >> And >>> even if international travel, however easier now than it may have once >> been, >>> is still not easy enough to play gigs around the world, it is at the very >>> least easier than ever to let your local fans know when and where you'll >> be >>> performing, and to help get them spread the word. >>> >>> What may be _harder_ than ever before is catching and holding people's >>> attention -- at least long enough to get them to part with their money >> for a >>> ticket, a download, a CD, a T-shirt, or whatever it is that you might be >>> vending directly or indirectly. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carl >> >> Absolutely agreed >> before I try my best to stop making a whetever it may be that I always >> may be making of myself, I just want to share that for me, ending up >> still alive and living (for various reasons), totally alone about 360 >> days a year, relcaiming things on vinyl that I lost has been my >> passion since 2007. I am not even a "vinyl person" really, just a >> 46-year old retracing the child part of me that wanted my "stuff" >> back. I have done so well, and also had a lot of struggle, that I am >> toning down "mining operations" and I expect to have more money for >> things over on that side of the POND. pretty soon. >> I cal tell I have "randomly" received some contact with radiation >> it's freaky >> like the "background strych-ie feeling" for anyone familiar with "that >> stuff" >> night >> May we all have access to our preferred "music pill" of choice, and >> not have the red or blue colour affect the other ones!!! >> > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 00:59:36 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:59:36 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A new means of selling music/ movies does need to be worked out, China, the world's biggest market, has only found a by default. Those who can afford buy cheaply copied disks can (actually most people rent them for pennies) or download them. The owner of Baidu has got very rich, but is currently under pressure for scanning and uploading entire books-- Google only does a few pages. Most groups are finding that they now have to to perform live more to make money. Perhaps that's good-- we get more live music. Quality of bootlegged disks can be perfect but is usually not. It quite hard buying authentic copies-- they are covered in stamps and proofs of authenticity. CDs-BDs will go the way of floppy disks one day, but I hope Steve jobs with his outrageous 60% profits based on sweatshops in the third world will not be part of it. No body forces people to buy iPods but they did essentially steal the idea from a small Asian company (whom they paid 100m in compensation--the Chinese are not the only people good at copying), but had the cash (and the style) to sell the idea (and the style). BTW, if you have a HMDI lead attached to you computer you don't need to burn video disks. Many amps have DACs (needed to play music directly from your PC, the quality isn't quite the same as high end decks but it will but there.) As far as I know MKV (Matroska) are the most advanced (and open source) video files but most players lack the codecs to play them. On 4 April 2011 20:16, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > iTMS From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 06:51:14 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. Apple etc will never support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. Check out XBMC. Use the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all you need. Mine plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie "backups" in perfect quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu ray as its instant on, without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and audio format etc. Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 6 06:55:57 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:55:57 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Mac Mini I sue as a media player handles MKV with no problem, doesn't make me like Macs any more though,. -S. On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. Apple etc will never >support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. Check out XBMC. Use >the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all you need. Mine >plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie "backups" in perfect >quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu ray as its instant on, >without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and audio format etc. >Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 07:11:00 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <9jhop6t54ns00oiia0uoh2rh52drrabhpp@4ax.com> Message-ID: I didn't know you could build an Atom machine with those capabilities so cheaply. My Fujitusu laptop does the job well enough, but cost more. Steve my mini-mac works (in another room) well as a media player too and is impressively small, even if it needs more wires (Apple don't want to admit to HDMI either). I have issues with Macs too, but Windows has a lot of problems too, I'm am too lazy to go with Linux. i will not buy an iPod or an iPhone.. On 6 April 2011 18:55, Steve Pond wrote: > The Mac Mini I sue as a media player handles MKV with no problem, > doesn't make me like Macs any more though,. > > -S. > > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400, you sent through the ether: > > >Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. > Apple etc will never > >support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. Check > out XBMC. Use > >the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all you > need. Mine > >plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie > "backups" in perfect > >quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu ray > as its instant on, > >without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and > audio format etc. > >Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 07:17:51 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:17:51 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These "format geek" posts contain entirely too many key words and are making me squirm again!! :) I lost my restoril right when I got radiated Donlt be suprised if you see me on national TV soon "Ballictic Texan strikes terror with only his hands" On 4/6/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I didn't know you could build an Atom machine with those capabilities so > cheaply. My Fujitusu laptop does the job well enough, but cost more. > > Steve my mini-mac works (in another room) well as a media player too and is > impressively small, even if it needs more wires (Apple don't want to admit > to HDMI either). I have issues with Macs too, but Windows has a lot of > problems too, I'm am too lazy to go with Linux. i will not buy an iPod or an > iPhone.. > > > > On 6 April 2011 18:55, Steve Pond wrote: > >> The Mac Mini I sue as a media player handles MKV with no problem, >> doesn't make me like Macs any more though,. >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400, you sent through the ether: >> >> >Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. >> Apple etc will never >> >support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. >> > Check >> out XBMC. Use >> >the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all you >> need. Mine >> >plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie >> "backups" in perfect >> >quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu ray >> as its instant on, >> >without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and >> audio format etc. >> >Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 07:24:39 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:24:39 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and BTW It did dawn on me, how wonderful it could be just pusiing a buttoin to play whatever you want and "losing" the material "stuff" I need a computer butler On 4/6/11, mike coleman wrote: > These "format geek" posts contain entirely too many key words and are > making me squirm again!! :) > I lost my restoril right when I got radiated > Donlt be suprised if you see me on national TV soon > "Ballictic Texan strikes terror with only his hands" > > On 4/6/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> I didn't know you could build an Atom machine with those capabilities so >> cheaply. My Fujitusu laptop does the job well enough, but cost more. >> >> Steve my mini-mac works (in another room) well as a media player too and >> is >> impressively small, even if it needs more wires (Apple don't want to >> admit >> to HDMI either). I have issues with Macs too, but Windows has a lot of >> problems too, I'm am too lazy to go with Linux. i will not buy an iPod or >> an >> iPhone.. >> >> >> >> On 6 April 2011 18:55, Steve Pond wrote: >> >>> The Mac Mini I sue as a media player handles MKV with no problem, >>> doesn't make me like Macs any more though,. >>> >>> -S. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400, you sent through the ether: >>> >>> >Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. >>> Apple etc will never >>> >support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. >>> > Check >>> out XBMC. Use >>> >the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all >>> > you >>> need. Mine >>> >plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie >>> "backups" in perfect >>> >quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu >>> > ray >>> as its instant on, >>> >without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and >>> audio format etc. >>> >Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. >>> >> > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 6 07:25:55 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:25:55 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800, you sent through the ether: > i will not buy an iPod or an >iPhone.. Me neither, the closed Apple eco-system sickens me, and when I meet people who tell me they use "an apple mac" instead of saying "a computer" need punching. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 09:31:01 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:31:01 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > As far as I know MKV (Matroska) are the most advanced (and open > source) video files but most players lack the codecs to play them. Matroska is a container format and so is a separate entity to the streams encoded therein. A device could understand how to decode Matroska files without being able to play some or all of the streams if those streams used a codec unknown to the device. (This is a problem that afflicts that other well-known container format, AVI.) Having said that, I have a Samsung TV that plays MKV content just fine, though probably that's because the MKV files I play on it are encoded using well-known codecs that such hardware is known to support. :-) Cheers, Paul. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 09:48:15 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:48:15 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am glad to hear you say that! It exactly the closed system (= max profits) which turns me off. Open system is the way to go. I only bought a Mac when they went Intel and used USB ports, allowing non-proprietary peripherals. The iPad is a farce but Mac know their marketing. Do you know anyone who actually uses their iPad? Ebooks are an inevitability but the iPad is neither chalk nor cheese. The same goes for iPods. Its just a portable music player with mediocre sound quality and poor headphones. The iPhone has almost taken over the 'smart' phone market but at least, despite Google's mistakes, Android is open system. The conditions in which Apple products are produced are also appalling. People in Foxconn's mega factory in Shenzen, which produced iPhones, had to commit suicide to get a living wage (that reminds me of a Calvert song). On 6 April 2011 19:25, Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > > i will not buy an iPod or an > >iPhone.. > > > Me neither, the closed Apple eco-system sickens me, and when I meet > people who tell me they use "an apple mac" instead of saying "a > computer" need punching. > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 10:02:14 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:02:14 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Jamun wrote: > Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. Apple etc will never > support it as its open source. No, Apple are unlikely to support MKV in CoreAudio, not because it is open source. They're unlikely to support it because they have thrown their weight behind other formats for which they know they are on safe ground, patent-wise. Once it has been proven beyond a doubt (i.e., in court) that MKV is (and other free formats such as Vorbis are) unencumbered by greedy patent trolls I'm sure massive financial targets such as Apple might look towards supporting it. Until then, I guess they'll stick to what demonstrably works for them such as AAC, Apple Lossless, MPEG-4, etc. (The sooner the USA ditches all this software patent nonsense the better, IMHO.) The idea that Apple do not support open source is ridiculous. For example, the Darwin kernel of Mac OS X is open source. Webkit (used by Chrome and Safari) is open source. Apple have contributed a lot to the open source LLVM (GCC alternative) project, and they also released Grand Central Dispatch as open source. Apple still allow CUPS to be distributed under an open source license, and so on. They may not buy into the GPLv3 kool-aid, but then again, neither do a lot of people. Apple have a ton of faults, but let us not stray too far away from the facts. Cheers, Paul. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 10:57:56 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:57:56 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I am glad to hear you say that! It exactly the closed system (= max profits) > which turns me off. You do know that Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) is a publicly traded company, don't you? As such, they have a legal fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Hopefully, this will help explain some of their business decisions (e.g., "max profits") that are disagreeable to you and me. :-) > Open system is the way to go. I only bought a Mac when > they went Intel and used USB ports, allowing non-proprietary peripherals. Surely you don't mean non-proprietary, you mean commonplace (or maybe cheap)? The only proprietary things that commonly spring to mind are the ADB keyboards they used to have, and the NuBus cards of the old M68K-based Macs (and I guess the Apple II [pre-Mac] was very proprietary, but then most computers were back then:). Besides those, Macs have used reasonably standard technologies such as OpenFirmware, SCSI, IEEE1394 (FireWire), Ethernet, IEEE802.11a/b/g/n, CardBus, DVI, SATA, USB, and 3.5 mm jack plugs. Even gubbins such as DisplayPort has been adopted by VESA and is being used by other mainstream manufacturers such as Dell and HP. Personally, I thought it was a huge retrograde step when Apple ditched PowerPC and switched over to Intel, but there you go. > The conditions in which Apple products are produced are also appalling. > People in Foxconn's mega factory in Shenzen, which produced iPhones, had to > commit suicide to get a living wage (that reminds me of a Calvert song). Any company producing electronic devices that use tantalum capacitors (e.g., mobile phones, DVD players, video game systems, etc.) has probably helped support appalling conditions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but large volume manufacturers are not known to choose China as a place to outsource their manufacturing because of its stellar working conditions. It would surprise me to learn that Apple was the only big name to act in such heinous fashion. But, it seems to me that the punters (and most especially the shareholders) prefer to pay a bit less for their shiny electronic toys (clothing, etc.) than to support good working conditions abroad... :-( Cheers, Paul. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 11:19:10 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> i will not buy an iPod or an >> iPhone.. > > > Me neither, the closed Apple eco-system sickens me, and when I meet > people who tell me they use "an apple mac" instead of saying "a > computer" need punching. Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of the name Apple need punching. :-) It's only a name and it's only a bit of hardware! Why do people get so hung up one way or the other? Personally, I use the phrase "Apple Mac" as a coded message for "I don't use Windows so go ask someone else for help." (Of course, with BootCamp and VirtualBox, they've kind of ruined that excuse for me.) :-) Cheers, Paul. obFullDisclosure: I own an iPod Touch, but I didn't buy it. Will I need to read the Krankschaft EULA carefully to determine whether I am allowed to listen to their downloads on it? ;-) obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve G5. Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 11:34:46 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:34:46 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what in the world could motivate a perosn to do this to themselves : ) I spend most of the time in silence and I swear the sky does not fall, and it is lovely :) hehehe On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Steve Pond wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >>> i will not buy an iPod or an >>> iPhone.. >> >> >> Me neither, the closed Apple eco-system sickens me, and when I meet >> people who tell me they use "an apple mac" instead of saying "a >> computer" need punching. > > > Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of > the name Apple need punching. :-) > > It's only a name and it's only a bit of hardware! Why do people get so hung > up one way or the other? > > Personally, I use the phrase "Apple Mac" as a coded message for "I don't use > Windows so go ask someone else for help." (Of course, with BootCamp and > VirtualBox, they've kind of ruined that excuse for me.) :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obFullDisclosure: I own an iPod Touch, but I didn't buy it. Will I need to > read the Krankschaft EULA carefully to determine whether I am allowed to > listen to their downloads on it? ;-) > > obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve G5. > Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 12:05:04 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 00:05:04 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Its the hype surround Apple which is annoying. Its just hardware and not very original. Like Windows it limits choice. On 6 April 2011 23:34, mike coleman wrote: > what in the world could motivate a perosn to do this to themselves : ) > I spend most of the time in silence and I swear the sky does not fall, > and it is lovely :) > hehehe > > > On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Steve Pond wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:11:00 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> > >>> i will not buy an iPod or an > >>> iPhone.. > >> > >> > >> Me neither, the closed Apple eco-system sickens me, and when I meet > >> people who tell me they use "an apple mac" instead of saying "a > >> computer" need punching. > > > > > > Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of > > the name Apple need punching. :-) > > > > It's only a name and it's only a bit of hardware! Why do people get so > hung > > up one way or the other? > > > > Personally, I use the phrase "Apple Mac" as a coded message for "I don't > use > > Windows so go ask someone else for help." (Of course, with BootCamp and > > VirtualBox, they've kind of ruined that excuse for me.) :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > obFullDisclosure: I own an iPod Touch, but I didn't buy it. Will I need > to > > read the Krankschaft EULA carefully to determine whether I am allowed to > > listen to their downloads on it? ;-) > > > > obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve > G5. > > Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) > > > From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Apr 6 12:25:19 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:25:19 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: I run Windows XP on my Mac Mini courtesy of Bootcamp. In fact I use XBMC on it as mentioned by Jamun. In fact I'm on the XBMC development team :-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Pond Sent: 06 April 2011 11:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: krankshaft format solution found The Mac Mini I sue as a media player handles MKV with no problem, doesn't make me like Macs any more though,. -S. On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:51:14 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Regarding MKV. You are correct. Its the choice of the Blu Ray ripper. Apple etc will never >support it as its open source. But its easy to build a PC that does. Check out XBMC. Use >the linux build on an ION based mini itx atom board and you have all you need. Mine >plays over HDMI into my receiver and I watch allmy high def movie "backups" in perfect >quality on a large full HD plasma screen. In fact its better than blu ray as its instant on, >without stupid ads etc. XBMC will also play back nearly all video and audio format etc. >Total cost of PC, circa 200 euros. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 6 12:38:48 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:38:48 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of the name Apple need punching. :-) It was a reaction to the smug Mac user not the Apple name.. From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 12:39:58 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:39:58 -0400 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:25:19 +0100, John Rennie wrote: >I run Windows XP on my Mac Mini courtesy of Bootcamp. > >In fact I use XBMC on it as mentioned by Jamun. > >In fact I'm on the XBMC development team :-) > >JR > Interesting. Its a small world. I have been using xBMC since day one, originally on a modded xbox. I thought the Mac Mini couldnt do 1080p mkv or at least without a broadcom crystal HD card. But even if it could, whats the point, unless you have a mac mini going spare? The linux XBMC I am using runs like bespoke hardware on the ION board. Eg turn on the PC and XBMC boots, Turn it off and it shuts down. No mice, no keyboard, no visible OS etc etc. Its very wife friendly. Also the mini itx ION board uses much less power than a mac mini. Mine is about 20 watts. IMO you dont need the dvd slot drive on a HTPC. Thats silly as every thing should be streamed from a server. From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 12:44:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:44:06 -0400 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:25:19 +0100, John Rennie wrote: >I run Windows XP on my Mac Mini courtesy of Bootcamp. > >In fact I use XBMC on it as mentioned by Jamun. > >In fact I'm on the XBMC development team :-) > >JR Dont tell me you also run your ratsauce file server off a macmini as well:) But that is a real question. I was thinking of doing something like you have done with the Hawkwind boots. I am just building a very low power consumption machine now for 365/24/7 use and wanted it to be a web server, FTP server etc. What machine do you use, or is it hosted on a site etc etc. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 13:42:36 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:42:36 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, you sent through the ether: > >> Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of the name Apple need punching. :-) > > > It was a reaction to the smug Mac user not the Apple name.. Oh, I see, and quite right! Smugness, in whatever form (be it smug computer user; smug audiophile; smug Kollector), is not something to be tolerated lightly! :-) Cheers, Paul. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 13:57:32 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:57:32 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you know, the showering love to ease the people who "front" to cover personal inefficiencys :) I was certainly not "having a real go" in ANY way at forum members!! But I really mean that society at large is a SICK muthafukka from where I sit, and I am willing to go far to shove my symbolic middle finger any place it can go if I think it might help in the least PLEASE, I was only "fronting" my own inadequacy- FWIW (probably notta), saw a show on public TV about Apple monstrous ad campaigning in the 80's, I think it was On 4/6/11, mike coleman wrote: > Bring it ON!!~~! > > On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: >> On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Steve Pond wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, you sent through the ether: >>> >>>> Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention >>>> of >>>> the name Apple need punching. :-) >>> >>> >>> It was a reaction to the smug Mac user not the Apple name.. >> >> >> Oh, I see, and quite right! Smugness, in whatever form (be it smug >> computer >> user; smug audiophile; smug Kollector), is not something to be tolerated >> lightly! :-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 14:00:37 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:00:37 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and smug snitches :) Paul, my mail was only on top of yours, not connected On 4/6/11, mike coleman wrote: > you know, the showering love to ease the people who "front" to cover > personal inefficiencys :) > I was certainly not "having a real go" in ANY way at forum members!! > But I really mean that society at large is a SICK muthafukka from > where I sit, and I am willing to go far to shove my symbolic middle > finger any place it can go if I think it might help in the least > PLEASE, I was only "fronting" my own inadequacy- > FWIW (probably notta), saw a show on public TV about Apple monstrous > ad campaigning in the 80's, I think it was > > On 4/6/11, mike coleman wrote: >> Bring it ON!!~~! >> >> On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: >>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Steve Pond wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, you sent through the ether: >>>> >>>>> Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention >>>>> of >>>>> the name Apple need punching. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> It was a reaction to the smug Mac user not the Apple name.. >>> >>> >>> Oh, I see, and quite right! Smugness, in whatever form (be it smug >>> computer >>> user; smug audiophile; smug Kollector), is not something to be tolerated >>> lightly! :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul. >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 13:48:37 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:48:37 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <75A5DB76-01C5-4585-93E2-464FD83685CC@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Bring it ON!!~~! On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Steve Pond wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, you sent through the ether: >> >>> Funnily enough, I think that people who react violently to the mention of >>> the name Apple need punching. :-) >> >> >> It was a reaction to the smug Mac user not the Apple name.. > > > Oh, I see, and quite right! Smugness, in whatever form (be it smug computer > user; smug audiophile; smug Kollector), is not something to be tolerated > lightly! :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 14:42:37 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:37 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve G5. Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) You use his name in vein "mortal one". He is Jesus Jobs:) We have an Apple shop in Munich. Its full of pseudo geeks, with an iPhone in one hand and a Starbucks coffee cup in the other. The staff all have name tags around there necks in the shape of a iPhone with the likes of "Hi my name is Paul" embossed into them. WTF I say. Apple ARE locking down file formats for iPhone/iPad/iPod etc. Its got nothing what so ever to do with a software patent infringement for mkv etc. Its because Jobs wants users to tap ONLY into his own content delivery system with micro payments for apps or video from itunes downloads. Its no good saying that other electronics companies also build there devices in China, powered by slaves, so its OK for Apple to do the same. The very successful electronics company I work for in Germany doesnt. It makes all its hardware in Germany. Then again its a limited company and not a public limited company. In which case the people who own it, who already have billions, have chosen to make a few less billion and keep Germans employed. I used to work for Agere systems. It was once a great American company, formed from Bell Labs. They had chip FAB and manufacturing plants in the US. Both where closed them down and manufacturing shipped to the far east. This was simply to make more money for shareholders. So out went the American jobs and the bankers and CEO got richer. Then the company become almost virtual and was sold with all its IP to Infineon, which then sold it to LSI, which then sold it to Intel. After each sale more people lost there jobs. The first irony is, that it was always Americans who lost there jobs and the European and Indian development centers recruited more. If you take the iPhone for example, 99% of that is done outside the US. I worked on the iPhone writing software for the protocol stack. The second irony, is that the 1% done in California, was also by slaves, who got 9 days a year holiday (if lucky, as no one dares to take a holiday), and worked 6/7 days a week; I would say 70-90 hours a week. The company I work for now, pays top dollar, people work 35-40 hours a week and get 30 days holiday a year, on top on public holidays. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 16:14:31 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:14:31 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Jamun wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: > >> obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve G5. > Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) > > You use his name in vein "mortal one". He is Jesus Jobs:) Funny thing is, I had to put FreeBSD on there because after Apple ditched PowerPC it became impossible legitimately to buy a supported version of Mac OS X for the department that owned the hardware. So, I guess Saint Steve has missed out on a few bob there and the lab doesn't have to buy new hardware just yet. > We have an Apple shop in Munich. Its full of pseudo geeks, with an iPhone in > one hand and a Starbucks coffee cup in the other. The staff all have name > tags around there necks in the shape of a iPhone with the likes of "Hi my > name is Paul" embossed into them. WTF I say. You're obviously not into retail therapy. Luckily for Apple, lots of people are... :-) > Apple ARE locking down file formats for iPhone/iPad/iPod etc. Its got > nothing what so ever to do with a software patent infringement for mkv etc. > Its because Jobs wants users to tap ONLY into his own content delivery > system with micro payments for apps or video from itunes downloads. Sure, Apple are locking down content delivery, but it would do this, I'd imagine, whether or not the underlying formats were MKV, Vorbis, FLAC, or whatever. It's not as if the formats Apple uses (H.264, MP4, MP3, QuickTime) aren't widely used elsewhere, if not actual ISO/ANSI standards themselves. (And I still maintain, why would it make sense for them to paint a target on their back if they didn't have to?) I figured out years ago that Apple aren't a charity, and will tend to do things to maximise their profits, whether I like it or not. The fact that they've created a delivery system that makes it pretty damned easy to impulse buy digital content helps them in that aspect enormously, I imagine. And this sort of thing creates its own momentum. Once something becomes popular, it kind of snowballs and gains a lot of traction just because it's popular and lots of people use it. That's why we're stuck with most people using de facto FAT filesystems on their portable drives, even though we've had loads of better open source alternatives for ages. > Its no good saying that other electronics companies also build there devices > in China, powered by slaves, so its OK for Apple to do the same. The very > successful electronics company I work for in Germany doesnt. It makes all > its hardware in Germany. Then again its a limited company and not a public > limited company. In which case the people who own it, who already have > billions, have chosen to make a few less billion and keep Germans employed. I never said it is okay for Apple to exploit poor Chinese labour conditions; I just said you'd be kidding yourself if you thought they are the only ones. I believe most huge corporations are bad in this respect, and it's a disgrace. It's good that the company you work for believes in a living wage, and I applaud them. We need more companies like that. I saw a programme on Ben & Jerry's recently that said that after they lost control of the company to a buyout by Unilever, they were basically no longer allowed to have social responsibility as a core mission of the company. It didn't float with the shareholders. :-( (They are allowed to carry on token philanthropy.) > I used to work for Agere systems. It was once a great American company, > formed from Bell Labs. They had chip FAB and manufacturing plants in the US. > Both where closed them down and manufacturing shipped to the far east. This > was simply to make more money for shareholders. So out went the American > jobs and the bankers and CEO got richer. Then the company become almost > virtual and was sold with all its IP to Infineon, which then sold it to LSI, > which then sold it to Intel. After each sale more people lost there jobs. > The first irony is, that it was always Americans who lost there jobs and the > European and Indian development centers recruited more. If you take the > iPhone for example, 99% of that is done outside the US. I worked on the > iPhone writing software for the protocol stack. The second irony, is that > the 1% done in California, was also by slaves, who got 9 days a year holiday > (if lucky, as no one dares to take a holiday), and worked 6/7 days a week; I > would say 70-90 hours a week. The company I work for now, pays top dollar, > people work 35-40 hours a week and get 30 days holiday a year, on top on > public holidays. You're preaching to the fucking choir, mate. IMHO, work/life balance in the USA is fairly nonexistent, or, where extant, rapidly going downhill. It's crazy. Cheers, Paul. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 16:22:51 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:22:51 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <3E2077B5-0367-4188-8B3D-78C62A3F1752@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: The employees at the local grocery store, where I make Charlie Estavez/Sheen look like nothing, on a daily basis, seem to get a morbid kick out of my otherwise frightening antics- that said, if I am responosble for ANY tension or bad blood, I am willing to be the victim of the virtual version of the game the janitor on "Scrubs" invented . "jiggly ball" I think it was On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Jamun wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, Paul Mather >> wrote: >> >>> obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve >>> G5. >> Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) >> >> You use his name in vein "mortal one". He is Jesus Jobs:) > > Funny thing is, I had to put FreeBSD on there because after Apple ditched > PowerPC it became impossible legitimately to buy a supported version of Mac > OS X for the department that owned the hardware. So, I guess Saint Steve > has missed out on a few bob there and the lab doesn't have to buy new > hardware just yet. > > >> We have an Apple shop in Munich. Its full of pseudo geeks, with an iPhone >> in >> one hand and a Starbucks coffee cup in the other. The staff all have name >> tags around there necks in the shape of a iPhone with the likes of "Hi my >> name is Paul" embossed into them. WTF I say. > > You're obviously not into retail therapy. Luckily for Apple, lots of people > are... :-) > > >> Apple ARE locking down file formats for iPhone/iPad/iPod etc. Its got >> nothing what so ever to do with a software patent infringement for mkv >> etc. >> Its because Jobs wants users to tap ONLY into his own content delivery >> system with micro payments for apps or video from itunes downloads. > > Sure, Apple are locking down content delivery, but it would do this, I'd > imagine, whether or not the underlying formats were MKV, Vorbis, FLAC, or > whatever. It's not as if the formats Apple uses (H.264, MP4, MP3, > QuickTime) aren't widely used elsewhere, if not actual ISO/ANSI standards > themselves. (And I still maintain, why would it make sense for them to > paint a target on their back if they didn't have to?) > > I figured out years ago that Apple aren't a charity, and will tend to do > things to maximise their profits, whether I like it or not. The fact that > they've created a delivery system that makes it pretty damned easy to > impulse buy digital content helps them in that aspect enormously, I imagine. > And this sort of thing creates its own momentum. Once something becomes > popular, it kind of snowballs and gains a lot of traction just because it's > popular and lots of people use it. That's why we're stuck with most people > using de facto FAT filesystems on their portable drives, even though we've > had loads of better open source alternatives for ages. > > >> Its no good saying that other electronics companies also build there >> devices >> in China, powered by slaves, so its OK for Apple to do the same. The very >> successful electronics company I work for in Germany doesnt. It makes all >> its hardware in Germany. Then again its a limited company and not a public >> limited company. In which case the people who own it, who already have >> billions, have chosen to make a few less billion and keep Germans >> employed. > > I never said it is okay for Apple to exploit poor Chinese labour conditions; > I just said you'd be kidding yourself if you thought they are the only ones. > I believe most huge corporations are bad in this respect, and it's a > disgrace. It's good that the company you work for believes in a living wage, > and I applaud them. We need more companies like that. > > I saw a programme on Ben & Jerry's recently that said that after they lost > control of the company to a buyout by Unilever, they were basically no > longer allowed to have social responsibility as a core mission of the > company. It didn't float with the shareholders. :-( (They are allowed to > carry on token philanthropy.) > > >> I used to work for Agere systems. It was once a great American company, >> formed from Bell Labs. They had chip FAB and manufacturing plants in the >> US. >> Both where closed them down and manufacturing shipped to the far east. >> This >> was simply to make more money for shareholders. So out went the American >> jobs and the bankers and CEO got richer. Then the company become almost >> virtual and was sold with all its IP to Infineon, which then sold it to >> LSI, >> which then sold it to Intel. After each sale more people lost there jobs. >> The first irony is, that it was always Americans who lost there jobs and >> the >> European and Indian development centers recruited more. If you take the >> iPhone for example, 99% of that is done outside the US. I worked on the >> iPhone writing software for the protocol stack. The second irony, is that >> the 1% done in California, was also by slaves, who got 9 days a year >> holiday >> (if lucky, as no one dares to take a holiday), and worked 6/7 days a week; >> I >> would say 70-90 hours a week. The company I work for now, pays top dollar, >> people work 35-40 hours a week and get 30 days holiday a year, on top on >> public holidays. > > > You're preaching to the fucking choir, mate. IMHO, work/life balance in the > USA is fairly nonexistent, or, where extant, rapidly going downhill. It's > crazy. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 17:19:26 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one Message-ID: i meant if I am repsonsible for introducing a "virus!!" you guys know I don't know how to work that either hehehe also, I have "cliqued" on the grocery store SO many times I wish I could show video-you guys would crack up. But I did exagerrate (in that I count my blessings and tone it down)) and now I just give tham a VERY hard time and no longer scare the customers. and they all "love" me as their "problem customer" except for one lady employee who is very prim and proper-(take her time to recover) (she hated that the managers were afraid to approach me when she called them. All about getting a free drink refill) anyway, I think my intital reasons to even post today was to joke about the "keywords" making me recall that I (think I ) got a random dose of Japan, which I do think I did and I may appeal to you later to assure me this is impossible. I now step out and leave computer discussion where it belongs And yes, I do not envy the US work ethic and general wages at this time On 4/6/11, mike coleman wrote: > The employees at the local grocery store, where I make Charlie > Estavez/Sheen look like nothing, on a daily basis, seem to get a > morbid kick out of my otherwise frightening antics- > that said, if I am responosble for ANY tension or bad blood, I am > willing to be the victim of the virtual version of the game the > janitor on "Scrubs" invented . "jiggly ball" I think it was > > > On 4/6/11, Paul Mather wrote: >> On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Jamun wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:19:10 -0400, Paul Mather >>> wrote: >>> >>>> obMoreFullDisclosure: I am running FreeBSD 9-CURRENT on an Apple Xserve >>>> G5. >>> Please don't shop me to Steve Jobs. :-) >>> >>> You use his name in vein "mortal one". He is Jesus Jobs:) >> >> Funny thing is, I had to put FreeBSD on there because after Apple ditched >> PowerPC it became impossible legitimately to buy a supported version of >> Mac >> OS X for the department that owned the hardware. So, I guess Saint Steve >> has missed out on a few bob there and the lab doesn't have to buy new >> hardware just yet. >> >> >>> We have an Apple shop in Munich. Its full of pseudo geeks, with an >>> iPhone >>> in >>> one hand and a Starbucks coffee cup in the other. The staff all have >>> name >>> tags around there necks in the shape of a iPhone with the likes of "Hi >>> my >>> name is Paul" embossed into them. WTF I say. >> >> You're obviously not into retail therapy. Luckily for Apple, lots of >> people >> are... :-) >> >> >>> Apple ARE locking down file formats for iPhone/iPad/iPod etc. Its got >>> nothing what so ever to do with a software patent infringement for mkv >>> etc. >>> Its because Jobs wants users to tap ONLY into his own content delivery >>> system with micro payments for apps or video from itunes downloads. >> >> Sure, Apple are locking down content delivery, but it would do this, I'd >> imagine, whether or not the underlying formats were MKV, Vorbis, FLAC, or >> whatever. It's not as if the formats Apple uses (H.264, MP4, MP3, >> QuickTime) aren't widely used elsewhere, if not actual ISO/ANSI standards >> themselves. (And I still maintain, why would it make sense for them to >> paint a target on their back if they didn't have to?) >> >> I figured out years ago that Apple aren't a charity, and will tend to do >> things to maximise their profits, whether I like it or not. The fact >> that >> they've created a delivery system that makes it pretty damned easy to >> impulse buy digital content helps them in that aspect enormously, I >> imagine. >> And this sort of thing creates its own momentum. Once something becomes >> popular, it kind of snowballs and gains a lot of traction just because >> it's >> popular and lots of people use it. That's why we're stuck with most >> people >> using de facto FAT filesystems on their portable drives, even though >> we've >> had loads of better open source alternatives for ages. >> >> >>> Its no good saying that other electronics companies also build there >>> devices >>> in China, powered by slaves, so its OK for Apple to do the same. The >>> very >>> successful electronics company I work for in Germany doesnt. It makes >>> all >>> its hardware in Germany. Then again its a limited company and not a >>> public >>> limited company. In which case the people who own it, who already have >>> billions, have chosen to make a few less billion and keep Germans >>> employed. >> >> I never said it is okay for Apple to exploit poor Chinese labour >> conditions; >> I just said you'd be kidding yourself if you thought they are the only >> ones. >> I believe most huge corporations are bad in this respect, and it's a >> disgrace. It's good that the company you work for believes in a living >> wage, >> and I applaud them. We need more companies like that. >> >> I saw a programme on Ben & Jerry's recently that said that after they >> lost >> control of the company to a buyout by Unilever, they were basically no >> longer allowed to have social responsibility as a core mission of the >> company. It didn't float with the shareholders. :-( (They are allowed >> to >> carry on token philanthropy.) >> >> >>> I used to work for Agere systems. It was once a great American company, >>> formed from Bell Labs. They had chip FAB and manufacturing plants in the >>> US. >>> Both where closed them down and manufacturing shipped to the far east. >>> This >>> was simply to make more money for shareholders. So out went the American >>> jobs and the bankers and CEO got richer. Then the company become almost >>> virtual and was sold with all its IP to Infineon, which then sold it to >>> LSI, >>> which then sold it to Intel. After each sale more people lost there >>> jobs. >>> The first irony is, that it was always Americans who lost there jobs and >>> the >>> European and Indian development centers recruited more. If you take the >>> iPhone for example, 99% of that is done outside the US. I worked on the >>> iPhone writing software for the protocol stack. The second irony, is >>> that >>> the 1% done in California, was also by slaves, who got 9 days a year >>> holiday >>> (if lucky, as no one dares to take a holiday), and worked 6/7 days a >>> week; >>> I >>> would say 70-90 hours a week. The company I work for now, pays top >>> dollar, >>> people work 35-40 hours a week and get 30 days holiday a year, on top on >>> public holidays. >> >> >> You're preaching to the fucking choir, mate. IMHO, work/life balance in >> the >> USA is fairly nonexistent, or, where extant, rapidly going downhill. >> It's >> crazy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 17:48:37 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:48:37 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0500, mike coleman wrote: >i meant if I am repsonsible for introducing a "virus!!" >you guys know I don't know how to work that either >hehehe >also, I have "cliqued" on the grocery store SO many times I wish I >could show video-you guys would crack up. But I did exagerrate (in >that I count my blessings and tone it down)) and now I just give tham >a VERY hard time and no longer scare the customers. and they all >"love" me as their "problem customer" except for one lady employee who >is very prim and proper-(take her time to recover) (she hated that the >managers were afraid to approach me when she called them. All about >getting a free drink refill) >anyway, I think my intital reasons to even post today was to joke >about the "keywords" making me recall that I (think I ) got a random >dose of Japan, which I do think I did and I may appeal to you later to >assure me this is impossible. >I now step out and leave computer discussion where it belongs >And yes, I do not envy the US work ethic and general wages at this time Hi Mike. Yes I agree, its probably time to end, all these geek computer speak messages that I and others have been generating. This is a Hawkwind list after all. Time to end discussion on "Chinese Slaves" and "American Slaves" working for Jesus etc. But before I go. For Mr Pond. That last track on New Anatomy. "Load It Don't Hold It". Am I correct in thinking that this was the first ever program loaded from an LP record? From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 17:52:28 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:52:28 -0400 Subject: Starfield Message-ID: So whats the discography on Starfield. And how can I buy some Starfield Cds? From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 6 18:10:48 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 23:10:48 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:48:37 -0400, you sent through the ether: >But before I go. For Mr Pond. That last track on New Anatomy. "Load It Don't >Hold It". Am I correct in thinking that this was the first ever program >loaded from an LP record? No, Pete Shelley from the Buzzcocks had one out slightly before ours, it was much cleverer because it displayed the lyrics in time to the music, but ours was funnier :o) http://www.headen.com/XL1.htm -S. From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 6 18:36:37 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:36:37 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one Message-ID: My first computer was a ZX81, with wobbly ram pack:) Then I had a ZX Spectrum. Remember 3D monster Maze and Jet Set Willy? You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is archived for eternity. ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip Which is pretty damned cool IMO. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 6 19:58:29 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:58:29 -0400 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Jamun wrote: > You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is archived for > eternity. > > ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip > > Which is pretty damned cool IMO. Dang it, now I am going to have to get ahold of a Speccy emulator so I can finally see what the program on the LP does! :-) Cheers, Paul. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 6 21:42:58 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:42:58 +0800 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wouldn't downgrade a Mac by installing Bootcamp (I hate Mac snobbery too but they are faster)-- PCs are cheap anyway. I am curious about the XMBC, but does it do anything a PC/ Mac can't? Both seem to play any type of video if you download the codec, using VLC for example). On 7 April 2011 00:44, Jamun wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:25:19 +0100, John Rennie > wrote: > > >I run Windows XP on my Mac Mini courtesy of Bootcamp. > > > >In fact I use XBMC on it as mentioned by Jamun. > > > >In fact I'm on the XBMC development team :-) > > > >JR > > Dont tell me you also run your ratsauce file server off a macmini as well:) > > But that is a real question. I was thinking of doing something like you > have > done with the Hawkwind boots. I am just building a very low power > consumption machine now for 365/24/7 use and wanted it to be a web server, > FTP server etc. What machine do you use, or is it hosted on a site etc etc. > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 00:26:19 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:26:19 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cool! I just had some fun looking at that. I had no idea that existed. I managed to get it to run using Speculator, a ZX emulator, and found out some interesting trivia. What happened to these bands? The 3 Stupid Laws, Short Commercial Break (with Capt Sensible and Trev), Shit from Hell, Chaos Factory, Panchito's High Rockers? I am sure the recommended places to eat no longer exist! :) On 7 April 2011 06:36, Jamun wrote: > My first computer was a ZX81, with wobbly ram pack:) Then I had a ZX > Spectrum. > > Remember 3D monster Maze and Jet Set Willy? > > You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is archived for > eternity. > > ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip > > Which is pretty damned cool IMO. > From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 02:01:45 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:01:45 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: >Dont tell me you also run your ratsauce file server off a macmini as well:) It's worse than that :-) hawkstuff.ratsauce.co.uk is an Acer Revo 3600 i.e. an Atom 230 (1.6GHz single core!). It runs Windows Server 2003, and if all you're doing is web sites this isn't very CPU intensive so even though it's a low powered machine it works fine. It's located at a local ISP's datacentre, and the reason for choosing the Revo was that the ISP charges depend on the power consumption (which is reasonable since they have to pay the electricity bill :-). I have a home server, but I don't use it for the web site because my ADSL line isn't fast enough. If/when BT bring their fibreoptic rollout to Chester I might bring the site back to my house. My home server is a Dell Poweredge 440 with a Perc5/i disk controller and four 2TB disks. The power consumption is 99W so it costs about ?100 to run 24x7. I keep my 2,300 albums (35 years collecting!) on that server and play them through the network on the Mac Mini. For comparison, it costs ?340/year to host the Hawkstuff server, though I share it with a friend and only pay half. BTW the Mac Mini has a power consumption of 19W at idle, and this rises to about 30W when playing a 720p video. Allegedly the new Mac Minis are even lower power consumption. This is only slightly more than an Ion2/Intel Atom based system. To play 1080p you probably need the newer Minis with a NVIDIA chipset. Mine is a 1.66GHz Core Duo (Core Due not Core2 Duo) and it will play some 1080p videos as long as the bitrate isn't too high. The main reason I've stuck with the Mac Mini is that the quality of the audio circuit, i.e. the DAC, is very good. It's noticably better than my Revo. Having said that, if you have a home cinema system with a digital audio connection to the amp there wouldn't be any difference between the two. Even so I'd still keep the Mac because, well, it's gorgeous :-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jamun Sent: 06 April 2011 17:44 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Dont tell me you also run your ratsauce file server off a macmini as well:) But that is a real question. I was thinking of doing something like you have done with the Hawkwind boots. I am just building a very low power consumption machine now for 365/24/7 use and wanted it to be a web server, FTP server etc. What machine do you use, or is it hosted on a site etc etc. From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 02:07:51 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:07:51 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: >PCs are cheap anyway Yes, but the design of the Mac is just gorgeous :-) No HTPC comes close. I need Windows because I run various other Windows apps on it, and for me Bootcamp works very well. >I am curious about the XMBC XBMC is a Media Centre not a Media Player. It's intended to be a central system for organising and playing all your media, and it's designed to work on systems with no keyboard and mouse using just a remote control. I have my Mac Mini on a shelf under my TV with the sound connected to my HiFi system and the video plugged straight into the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable. Give XBMC a try, it's free :-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: 07 April 2011 02:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found I wouldn't downgrade a Mac by installing Bootcamp (I hate Mac snobbery too but they are faster)-- PCs are cheap anyway. I am curious about the XMBC, but does it do anything a PC/ Mac can't? Both seem to play any type of video if you download the codec, using VLC for example). From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 02:59:55 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:59:55 +0800 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All interesting information! Yes, I only have a PC because there is certain software which doesn't run on a Mac, although Windows 7 is surprisingly good (Vista wasn't great-- I'm using it now at work), although it still crashes a lot. Windows needs a faster processor for less results (a dual-core Windows PC is unbearable) The Mac *is* a much better machine than a PC-- it has to be admitted-- but I still hate the propriety approach. I do have a Mac Mini connected to one of my TVs. It works well as a media centre, although It doesn't seem to like 1080p much. Connected to a DAC its sounds pretty good, but my BD-DVD-DVD-A player still sounds better. You might think it would sound the same but it doesn't. Its fine for downloaded movies, but BDs are not that expensive, especially in some paces. I'll try XMBC, but: "....now that we?ve been showered with gifts from our new friends at Sony, we understand that it is not sustainable in the long-term; *DRM is the way of the future*.? Uh oh! On 7 April 2011 14:07, John Rennie wrote: > >PCs are cheap anyway > > Yes, but the design of the Mac is just gorgeous :-) No HTPC comes > close. I need Windows because I run various other Windows apps on it, > and for me Bootcamp works very well. > > >I am curious about the XMBC > > XBMC is a Media Centre not a Media Player. It's intended to be a > central system for organising and playing all your media, and it's > designed to work on systems with no keyboard and mouse using just a > remote control. I have my Mac Mini on a shelf under my TV with the > sound connected to my HiFi system and the video plugged straight > into the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable. > > Give XBMC a try, it's free :-) > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith > Sent: 07 April 2011 02:43 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found > > I wouldn't downgrade a Mac by installing Bootcamp (I hate Mac snobbery too > but they are faster)-- PCs are cheap anyway. I am curious about the XMBC, > but does it do anything a PC/ Mac can't? Both seem to play any type of > video > if you download the codec, using VLC for example). > From steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 03:52:04 2011 From: steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:52:04 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have it running on my (Linux) phone to impress girls with :o) -S. ----- Original message ----- > My first computer was a ZX81, with wobbly ram pack:) Then I had a ZX > Spectrum. > > Remember 3D monster Maze and Jet Set Willy? > > You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is archived > for eternity. > > ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip > > Which is pretty damned cool IMO. > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 04:57:01 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 16:57:01 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: <1302162724.2493.2.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Message-ID: They must be *very* impressed!! But what happened to Shit from Hell and Short Commercial Break?* Cosmic Fantasy* on *Allies *and* Clansmen* sounds good-- wasn't that also from a previous band? On 7 April 2011 15:52, Steve Pond wrote: > I have it running on my (Linux) phone to impress girls with :o) > > -S. > > ----- Original message ----- > > My first computer was a ZX81, with wobbly ram pack:) Then I had a ZX > > Spectrum. > > > > Remember 3D monster Maze and Jet Set Willy? > > > > You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is archived > > for eternity. > > > > ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip > > > > Which is pretty damned cool IMO. > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 7 08:57:26 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:57:26 -0400 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I'll try XMBC, but: > > "....now that we?ve been showered with gifts from our new friends at Sony, > we understand that it is not sustainable in the long-term; *DRM is the way > of the future*.? Uh oh! Go back and re-read the date of that entry. :-) As a question to John Rennie: how does XBMC fare as a PVR? I currently have a DirecTV subscription and a DVR was bundled with the service. It'd be nice, say, to have a DVR system that was a bit smarter about recording a series and skipping episodes I'd already seen. (The DirecTV DVR appears limited in this regard.) Is it better or worse than others such as MythTV or VDR, say? (Best to reply off-list, I guess, since this is off-topic.) Cheers, Paul. From steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 09:51:40 2011 From: steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:51:40 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found? last one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shit from Hell, was Trev, his mate Roland on drums, fred on bass and me on wasp, we played one gig in a pub doing r&r standards, then the police came and it all ended in chaos! short commercial break was ICU plus captain sensible, they supported ICU at Dingwalls and only played TV commercials.. Both just silly one off's.. panchito's high rockers were ICU under anther name playing "the nightclub set" at pubs & bars to raise some cash! Did quite a few shows, mainly at production village in cricklewood.. Cosmic Fantasy, like Come Fly With Us was by a band called Nebula who vanished without trace in 1979.. Expect a third song from their cannon on the new Krankie CD :o) -S. ----- Original message ----- > They must be *very* impressed!! But what happened to Shit from Hell and > Short Commercial Break?* Cosmic Fantasy* on *Allies *and* Clansmen* > sounds good-- wasn't that also from a previous band? > > On 7 April 2011 15:52, Steve Pond wrote: > > > I have it running on my (Linux) phone to impress girls with :o) > > > > -S. > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > My first computer was a ZX81, with wobbly ram pack:) Then I had a ZX > > > Spectrum. > > > > > > Remember 3D monster Maze and Jet Set Willy? > > > > > > You do know that your code now with the above masterpieces is > > > archived for eternity. > > > > > > ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games/n/Newanatomy.tzx.zip > > > > > > Which is pretty damned cool IMO. > > > > > > From steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 09:54:46 2011 From: steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:54:46 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <639A1ADE-824D-4B8E-A7C2-6D38A42BCF77@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Reply on list as I want to know too! :o) ----- Original message ----- > On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > > I'll try XMBC, but: > > > > "....now that we?ve been showered with gifts from our new friends at > > Sony, we understand that it is not sustainable in the long-term; *DRM > > is the way of the future*.? Uh oh! > > > Go back and re-read the date of that entry. :-) > > As a question to John Rennie: how does XBMC fare as a PVR?? I currently > have a DirecTV subscription and a DVR was bundled with the service. > It'd be nice, say, to have a DVR system that was a bit smarter about > recording a series and skipping episodes I'd already seen.? (The DirecTV > DVR appears limited in this regard.)? Is it better or worse than others > such as MythTV or VDR, say?? (Best to reply off-list, I guess, since > this is off-topic.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 10:00:30 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:00:30 -0500 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <1302184486.3460.5.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Message-ID: Yeah I'm not done feeling stupid BTW, consider "SFH" already "stolen-taken", as of many years ago :) You know, just in case I need it :) On 4/7/11, Steve Pond wrote: > Reply on list as I want to know too! :o) > > > ----- Original message ----- >> On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> >> > I'll try XMBC, but: >> > >> > "....now that we?ve been showered with gifts from our new friends at >> > Sony, we understand that it is not sustainable in the long-term; *DRM >> > is the way of the future*.? Uh oh! >> >> >> Go back and re-read the date of that entry. :-) >> >> As a question to John Rennie: how does XBMC fare as a PVR?? I currently >> have a DirecTV subscription and a DVR was bundled with the service. >> It'd be nice, say, to have a DVR system that was a bit smarter about >> recording a series and skipping episodes I'd already seen.? (The DirecTV >> DVR appears limited in this regard.)? Is it better or worse than others >> such as MythTV or VDR, say?? (Best to reply off-list, I guess, since >> this is off-topic.) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Thu Apr 7 10:25:58 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:25:58 -0400 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: No PVR support in XBMC yet! But there is media portal. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ But IMO, its sh&t compared to XBMC:) I would suggest using a myth TV backend for recording and an XMC frontend for playback. http://www.mythtv.org/ Any way IMO PVR goes against the whole ethos of that, that is, Bit Torrent. Why spend time and energy recording TV when you can download, that which others have wasted time and effort uploading to the Pirate Bay or EZTV, UKNOVA etc. PVR is simply a waste of time. Run a 365/24/7 BT server grab all you need and watch via XBMC. From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Thu Apr 7 13:11:09 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:11:09 +0100 Subject: XBMC PVR support - was Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft etc Message-ID: There isn't any PVR support in official versions of XBMC although there are various experimental builds with various levels of PVR support. The development team tend to feel building PVR support into XBMC would be nice, but given that we all do it for free and have to work for a living as well, there are other more interesting things to be getting on with. The general view is that the best option is to use a separate PVR system like MythTV as Jamun mentions. >From a purely personal point of view I use a Panasonic DVD-RAM based PVR for the few times I want to record from live TV. Most of the stuff I watch I download overnight from iPlayer or grab via BitTorrent. It's more convenient and the quality seems better when the programme is downloaded. MY DVD drive reads DVD-RAM disks so I copy any TV recordings into my XBMC library and watch them via XBMC. But in any case I'm far more interested in music than video and XBMC is a wonderful way to organise the music collection. I hear all sorts of claims about music quality. Well I've compared CDs played on my Marantz CD-63 KI to the same CD ripped to FLAC and played on my Mac Mini via XBMC, and I can't tell the difference. You could accuse me of having cloth ears, but it's me, not you, sitting in my armchair listening to my Hawkwind albums, and I'm a happy man :-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun Sent: 07 April 2011 15:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found No PVR support in XBMC yet! But there is media portal. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ But IMO, its sh&t compared to XBMC:) I would suggest using a myth TV backend for recording and an XMC frontend for playback. http://www.mythtv.org/ Any way IMO PVR goes against the whole ethos of that, that is, Bit Torrent. Why spend time and energy recording TV when you can download, that which others have wasted time and effort uploading to the Pirate Bay or EZTV, UKNOVA etc. PVR is simply a waste of time. Run a 365/24/7 BT server grab all you need and watch via XBMC. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 7 14:46:40 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:46:40 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06 Apr 2011, at 08:48 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > The iPad is a farce but Mac know their marketing. Do you know anyone who > actually uses their iPad? Ebooks are an inevitability but the iPad is > neither chalk nor cheese. Actually, I use our iPad all the time -- except when my wife and baby daughter are using it -- both at work and at home. If I had the money, I would readily buy 2 more so that there were enough to go around. :) Such a tablet device suits my needs very well. On the other hand, I have little interest in a traditional laptop or a smartphone (including iPhones); I don't really have much use for those either. I have an iPod, but it mostly gets used as a portable music storage that can be easily plugged into the car stereo; I don't ever really have a situation these days where listening to the iPod with headphones is useful to me. Alas, capacity of portable music players doesn't yet stretch the current 1TB size of the digital music library .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 7 14:52:54 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:52:54 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06 Apr 2011, at 11:05 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > Its the hype surround Apple which is annoying. Apple is _good_ at hype. Hype sells product. Sales make shareholders happy. Apple is a public company. If I were a competitor, I would be trying to figure out how to generate such hype. :) Hey, I'm a consumer. I like my Mac Mini better than the Windows machine at work. I have better things to do than futz around with Linux all day, etc. When I like the Windows machine better, I'll buy one for home. If someone makes a free open source OS that isn't user-surly geekfest and lets me get on with what I want to do, then OK, I'll use that. Hey, if I liked Brittany Spears better than HW or BOC, I would buy her records too. But I don't, so I don't. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 7 14:58:23 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:58:23 -0500 Subject: Mac Mini/XBMC - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07 Apr 2011, at 01:01 , John Rennie wrote: > The main reason I've stuck with the Mac Mini is that the quality of > the audio circuit, i.e. the DAC, is very good. It's noticably better > than my Revo. Having said that, if you have a home cinema system with > a digital audio connection to the amp there wouldn't be any > difference between the two. Even so I'd still keep the Mac because, > well, it's gorgeous :-) Also, I can buy a Mac Mini in the US, drop it into my carry-on, and take it to South America -- probably more cheaply than I could buy it _in_ South America _including_ the air fare. OK, that might change as the dollar keeps tanking :) but whatever. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 20:15:12 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:15:12 +0800 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am interested that people really do use iPads. How do you use them? Everyone I know who bought one says its just a toy. As I have a Android smart phone and a Apple laptop, it seems excess to needs. I am interested in a Kindle, or a good eBook reader, but they are not supported where I live, so that can wait. I much prefer Apple computers too, but have to use Windows as well. Unix is much too geeky for me as well-- too many variants. The choice of either making Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer is not appealing, but that's the way its become. I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! On 8 April 2011 02:52, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 06 Apr 2011, at 11:05 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > > Its the hype surround Apple which is annoying. > > Apple is _good_ at hype. Hype sells product. Sales make shareholders > happy. Apple is a public company. If I were a competitor, I would be > trying to figure out how to generate such hype. :) > > Hey, I'm a consumer. I like my Mac Mini better than the Windows machine at > work. I have better things to do than futz around with Linux all day, etc. > When I like the Windows machine better, I'll buy one for home. If someone > makes a free open source OS that isn't user-surly geekfest and lets me get > on with what I want to do, then OK, I'll use that. Hey, if I liked Brittany > Spears better than HW or BOC, I would buy her records too. But I don't, so > I don't. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Fri Apr 8 06:06:29 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:06:29 +0100 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: I have an Android tablet that is effectively the same as an iPad (see http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html) and I use it all the time. Like you I was a bit sceptical about tablets, but as it turns out I love it! I use it mainly for reading books. It displays PDFs well and I use the Android version of Kindle to read my ebooks. In fact I used to have a Kindle but I sold it because the tablet is much nicer to use. The battery life is about 10 hours, so it's a lot less than a Kindle, but I only have to charge it two or three times a week. I also use it to surf the web from my armchair. I often find that when I'm watching TV, or maybe when I'm reading a book, I come across something I want more info on. I can grab the tablet and jump onto Google in about ten seconds, which is far more convenient than having to turn the laptop on and wait for it to start. There are a few other minor things I use it for e.g. playing solitaire and using the XBMC remote control app. These may seem minor but they all add to the experience. I resisted buying an iPad because ?429 seemed a lot (though the iPad 1 is now only ?329!). My Archos was only ?250 and this seemed reasonable. Having said that, the iPad has a better screen and is faster, and you may feel it's worth the extra (I don't!). JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: 08 April 2011 01:15 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: krankshaft format solution found I am interested that people really do use iPads. How do you use them? Everyone I know who bought one says its just a toy. As I have a Android smart phone and a Apple laptop, it seems excess to needs. I am interested in a Kindle, or a good eBook reader, but they are not supported where I live, so that can wait. I much prefer Apple computers too, but have to use Windows as well. Unix is much too geeky for me as well-- too many variants. The choice of either making Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer is not appealing, but that's the way its become. I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 8 09:12:17 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:12:17 -0400 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think that industry also is assuming people use iPads and tablets, too. Here, we are going through a process of replacing our 20+ year old ROLM phone infrastructure with a "unified communication system" that will make it seem more like we are in the 21st century than the 20th. :-) Anyway, we were encouraged to attend vendor exhibits on campus to get the measure of what the various bidders on the contract were offering. What surprised me is that almost all of the six vendors still in the race had iPad support. (Some were also promising Android tablet support "coming soon.") What was even more surprising was the IBM consortium actually have developed their telepresence offering for the iPad and it is the Mac OS X version that is still "coming soon." Come to think of it, the IBM "phone" looked rather akin to an iPad jammed into a docking station pedestal. So, I guess for those sorts of things ("unified communications") tablets are seen as a good solution. I don't have an iPad, but the people I know at work that do appear to like them mainly for their convenience and that, for the basic tasks they want to do (Web surfing, checking their Exchange calendar, etc.), they work well. My old advisor now seems to bring his iPad to meetings instead of his laptop. Cheers, Paul. On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:06 AM, John Rennie wrote: > I have an Android tablet that is effectively the same as an iPad > (see http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html) > and I use it all the time. > > Like you I was a bit sceptical about tablets, but as it turns out I > love it! I use it mainly for reading books. It displays PDFs well and > I use the Android version of Kindle to read my ebooks. In fact I used > to have a Kindle but I sold it because the tablet is much nicer to > use. The battery life is about 10 hours, so it's a lot less than a > Kindle, but I only have to charge it two or three times a week. > > I also use it to surf the web from my armchair. I often find that > when I'm watching TV, or maybe when I'm reading a book, I come across > something I want more info on. I can grab the tablet and jump onto > Google in about ten seconds, which is far more convenient than having > to turn the laptop on and wait for it to start. > > There are a few other minor things I use it for e.g. playing > solitaire and using the XBMC remote control app. These may seem minor > but they all add to the experience. I resisted buying an iPad because > ?429 seemed a lot (though the iPad 1 is now only ?329!). My Archos > was only ?250 and this seemed reasonable. Having said that, the iPad > has a better screen and is faster, and you may feel it's worth the > extra (I don't!). > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith > Sent: 08 April 2011 01:15 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: krankshaft format solution found > > I am interested that people really do use iPads. How do you use them? > Everyone I know who bought one says its just a toy. As I have a Android > smart phone and a Apple laptop, it seems excess to needs. I am interested in > a Kindle, or a good eBook reader, but they are not supported where I live, > so that can wait. > > I much prefer Apple computers too, but have to use Windows as well. Unix is > much too geeky for me as well-- too many variants. The choice of either > making Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer is not appealing, but that's the way > its become. I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! > From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 8 15:47:26 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:47:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Film from Hawkwind inspired visuals In-Reply-To: <1302184300.3460.2.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Message-ID: Hi all, well some of you know me, and some of you know I do lights I've completed my first film of my visuals, and been doing some interview here in Toronto to try and get some people to come to the screening, theres an interview about me and my light show activities hfrom the our local rag here http://www.nowtoronto.com/daily/music/story.cfm?content=180064 and yes it does mention Hawkwind, as well as my partner in lighting fun, Eric Siegermann, who many of you also know When the fun an d games of this weekeend dies down I might try and get someone on the list a copy to review for the rest of you !! Cheers Steve Lindsey From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 8 20:33:39 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:33:39 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: gfdddddddd On 07 Apr 2011, at 19:15 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > I am interested that people really do use iPads. How do you use them? > Everyone I know who bought one says its just a toy. Well, for my 15-month old daughter, it _is_ a toy. And a very good one. She watches videos of children's songs downloaded from YouTube (and occasionally, of Daddy's stuff -- she occasionally gets considerable entertainment from ICU's "Paint Your Windows White", and last week went through a phase of playing and replaying Romanian prog-folk-metal legends Phoenix's "Nunta" ... though mostly she goes for Winnie-the-Pooh, the Muppets, Pippi L?ngstrump, etc.). There are lots of iPad apps aimed at kids, even very small ones -- some have not been a hit, some have, it's hard to tell. Anyway, she digs it, and it would not surprising me if tablet-y type things remain in her life for a while. My wife uses it to check email and read news web sites, occasionally surf FaceBook -- that sort of thing. It is cheaper and more maneueverable than a laptop, and so an improvement since she would only be doing the same stuff on a laptop anyway. (Now she, however, could actually use a smartphone for her work. It would be practical. I am not sure the iPad would be as practical for her, in that context.) For me -- currently I work as a university professor. I need to read a lot of documents -- articles, books, reports, student submissions, my own drafts, you name it. The iPad allows me to do all that (besides the advantages of being able to haul around a huge digital reference library in a small package) more efficiently than a smartphone would (thanks to the bigger screen), as well as check calendars, email, the web as needed in meetings and stuff. It's onscreen keyboard is convenient for notes in a meeting, or a brief email -- though of course I have my desktop computers (at work and home) for serious writing. I have a wi-fi only iPad, but then anywhere I need connectivity is going to be home or work, and those have wi-fi. An smartphone lacks the e-reader capabilities I need, but a laptop is overkill for my mobile computing needs. The iPad is working out well. Doubtless other tablets would do more or less the same stuff, but the iPad plays nicely with my Mac Mini, and I like my Mac Mini, so it's a no-brainer. So although I could use perhaps any e-reader with some Internet capability, the rest of the family also uses the iPad for different stuff. It's jack-of-all-trades (if perhaps master-of-none) suits the group well in that respect. > As I have a Android > smart phone and a Apple laptop, it seems excess to needs. Yeah, as noted, I have no smartphone and no laptop. > I am interested in > a Kindle, or a good eBook reader, but they are not supported where I live, > so that can wait. Well, I can buy Kindle stuff, I think, but I tend not to. Most of my reading is, actually, at least vaguely work related and tends to be PDFs. > I much prefer Apple computers too, but have to use Windows as well. Unix is > much too geeky for me as well-- too many variants. I hear that. > The choice of either > making Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer is not appealing, but that's the way > its become. Well, I tend not to think about who is or is not making money, and tend to think about what suits me. I can control my work environment on my Mac in a way that I like better than Windows, and I can use GarageBand to entertain myself (if, probably, not others! ;) > I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! ;) The last band I was in did a sort of sludgy rock cover of "Oops! I Did It Again" as our "irony piece" (using Richard Thompson's acoustic cover version as a starting point), so I fear I accidentally burned her into my memory! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Apr 9 04:27:37 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 04:27:37 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: ALAN DAVEY Special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com April 8, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #260). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: ALAN DAVEY Special (show #260) In addition to having been the bass player in Hawkwind from 1984-1996 and then 2000-2007, Alan is a multi-instrumentalist with numerous solo albums and band projects to his credit. This show pays tribute to one of the great musicians and creative forces of the Space Rock world. And, with Aural Innovations being based in the USA, we want to get as much visibility as possible on the upcoming Gunslinger American tour, currently being scheduled for September 2011. Visit the Alan Davey web site at http://www.alandaveymusic.com Alan Davey - "Angel Down" (from Eclectic Devils) Gunslinger - "Shellshocked" (from Earthquake in E Minor) Gunslinger - "Warhorse" (from Earthquake in E Minor) Gunslinger - "Gunslinger" (from Earthquake in E Minor) Gunslinger - "Stay Clean" (from Sheep in Wolves Clothing: A Tribute to Motorhead) Djinn - "Aasfe Kittir" (from Last Wish) Louis Davey - "No Sense" (from Last Chance Of A Lifetime) Pre-Med - "Has the World Gone Insane" (from The Truth About Us) Meads of Asphodel - "Utopia" (from Days of the Underground: A Tribute to Hawkwind) Hawkwind - "Neon Skyline" (from The Xenon Codex) Hawkwind - "Space Dust" (from Electric Tepee) Hawkwind - "Wings" (from Space Bandits) Bedouin - "Say Goodbye da Babylon" (from As Above So Below) Alan Davey - "Queen of the Night" (from Bedouin) Alan Davey - "Assimilation" (from Chaos Delight) Alan Davey - "Ode to a Bass Assassin" (from The Elf & the Hawk) Alan Davey - "Monster From The Id" (from Not Of This Earth: A Tribute To Sci-Fi Movies) Alan Davey - "Bird Nebula" (from The Final Call) Alan Davey - "Nothing is Weird" (from Human on the Outside) Alan Davey - "Pre-Med" (from Captured Rotation) Hawkwind - "Sputnik Stan" (from Love in Space) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sat Apr 9 08:33:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:33:06 -0400 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:12:17 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >I don't have an iPad, but the people I know at work that do appear to like them mainly for their convenience and that, for the basic tasks they want to do (Web surfing, checking their Exchange calendar, etc.), they work well. My old advisor now seems to bring his iPad to meetings instead of his laptop. > >Cheers, > >Paul. I have an iPad and its good for what you suggest, reading mails, surfing the net and playing a few games. Also the IPS screen in the iPad is very good for "lazy man" watching video in bed. I have mine hooked to a server via Air Video server and can stream my videos to it. I like the always on, quick start up from hibernation. Also Apps are cheap, but most are disposable. The iPad is a toy. You cant share files across a network, or print from it (without a special printer). The screen is too low resolution for viewing A4 pdfs. The only way to get files into and out of is using the crappy iTunes interface. Plus there are no interfaces such as USB or even an sd card reader for transferring files. The iPad appeals to people like me (geeks), Starbucks posers, Media types, who think that the current middle east conflict is a twitter revolution trigger originated from iPads and iPhones (LOL) and pseudo computer academics, who have never sold a line of code in there life. I didnt bother with iPad 2 being bored now with iPad 1, and bought a 3DS instead. The 3DS is good fun and fills a hole until a new toy comes out. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Apr 9 12:02:30 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:02:30 -0400 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Jamun wrote: > The iPad is a toy. You cant share files across a network, or print > from it > (without a special printer). The screen is too low resolution for > viewing A4 > pdfs. The only way to get files into and out of is using the crappy > iTunes > interface. Plus there are no interfaces such as USB or even an sd card > reader for transferring files. I wouldn't agree with the word "toy" but the iPad does definitely fall into a niche and is more limited than a general purpose laptop. That's why when, recently at work, when I was given the option of ordering a laptop or an iPad for myself it was a no-brainer: I went for the laptop. > The iPad appeals to people like me (geeks), Starbucks posers, Media > types, > who think that the current middle east conflict is a twitter > revolution > trigger originated from iPads and iPhones (LOL) and pseudo computer > academics, who have never sold a line of code in there life. Funny, but nobody I know who owns an iPad falls into any of those categories. I must move in too ordinary circles. :-) > I didnt bother with iPad 2 being bored now with iPad 1, and bought a > 3DS > instead. The 3DS is good fun and fills a hole until a new toy comes > out. Ennui is a terrible thing to bear. ;-) Cheers, Paul. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 10 08:54:48 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:54:48 +0800 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me! You make it sound like a gadget I must have. I am very interested in something that enables me to read PDFs and get online quickly. ther are other options for tablets which I haven't looked at like one produced by Asus. I resisted buying an Archos at the time because I didn't have faith in its realiblity and the screen was too small. The PMP seems to have died to to be reborn as the tablet. I have been looking at XMBC. I have tried it on Windows 7 PC. Its a good as a media centre (less clumsy than Micosoft's!), especially for large music collections. It seems fairly easy to configure but i am finding some minor problems with some video file types, like WMV, but as i didn't record them I don't know if the problem lies with a bad recording. I'll try in on a Mac soon. BTW, how can an iPad help with XMBC? > I have an Android tablet that is effectively the same as an iPad > (see http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html) > and I use it all the time. > > Like you I was a bit sceptical about tablets, but as it turns out I > love it! I use it mainly for reading books. It displays PDFs well and > I use the Android version of Kindle to read my ebooks. In fact I used > to have a Kindle but I sold it because the tablet is much nicer to > use. The battery life is about 10 hours, so it's a lot less than a > Kindle, but I only have to charge it two or three times a week. > > I also use it to surf the web from my armchair. I often find that > when I'm watching TV, or maybe when I'm reading a book, I come across > something I want more info on. I can grab the tablet and jump onto > Google in about ten seconds, which is far more convenient than having > to turn the laptop on and wait for it to start. > > There are a few other minor things I use it for e.g. playing > solitaire and using the XBMC remote control app. These may seem minor > but they all add to the experience. I resisted buying an iPad because > ?429 seemed a lot (though the iPad 1 is now only ?329!). My Archos > was only ?250 and this seemed reasonable. Having said that, the iPad > has a better screen and is faster, and you may feel it's worth the > extra (I don't!). > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith > Sent: 08 April 2011 01:15 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: krankshaft format solution found > > I am interested that people really do use iPads. How do you use them? > Everyone I know who bought one says its just a toy. As I have a Android > smart phone and a Apple laptop, it seems excess to needs. I am interested > in > a Kindle, or a good eBook reader, but they are not supported where I live, > so that can wait. > > I much prefer Apple computers too, but have to use Windows as well. Unix is > much too geeky for me as well-- too many variants. The choice of either > making Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer is not appealing, but that's the way > its become. I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! > From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sun Apr 10 09:26:34 2011 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:26:34 +0100 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: The 7" tablets are too small really. You need a 10" screen like the iPad or the Archos 101 for reading PDFs to be a pleasant experience. Be warned that the experience of several friends suggests that wives love iPads and will quick monopolise it. Most of my friends have had to buy a second iPad for their own use. Friends with a teenage daughter have had to buy a third! Re XBMC: WMV is a closed format developed by Microsoft, and the open source community has had to reverse engineer it. If you want to use an open source media player WMV is best avoided. Conversely, if you have to play WMVs the best option is to use Windows Media Player. >BTW, how can an iPad help with XMBC? You can run XBMC on an iPad (not on the iPad 2 yet) if you jailbreak it. However most of us would just use the XBMC remote control applet to control an HTPC running XBMC. The XBMC remote control applet is available for both iPad and Android. XBMC itself has not been ported to Android yet. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: 10 April 2011 13:55 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me! You make it sound like a gadget I must have. I am very interested in something that enables me to read PDFs and get online quickly. ther are other options for tablets which I haven't looked at like one produced by Asus. I resisted buying an Archos at the time because I didn't have faith in its realiblity and the screen was too small. The PMP seems to have died to to be reborn as the tablet. I have been looking at XMBC. I have tried it on Windows 7 PC. Its a good as a media centre (less clumsy than Micosoft's!), especially for large music collections. It seems fairly easy to configure but i am finding some minor problems with some video file types, like WMV, but as i didn't record them I don't know if the problem lies with a bad recording. I'll try in on a Mac soon. BTW, how can an iPad help with XMBC? From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sun Apr 10 10:04:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:04:06 -0400 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:26:34 +0100, John Rennie wrote: >The 7" tablets are too small really. You need a 10" screen like the >iPad or the Archos 101 for reading PDFs to be a pleasant experience. >Be warned that the experience of several friends suggests that wives >love iPads and will quick monopolise it. Most of my friends have had >to buy a second iPad for their own use. Friends with a teenage >daughter have had to buy a third! Yep, a 7" inch would be too small. I am hoping for iPad 3 that they will double the resolution to 2048x1536, which would result in a much sharper display. Having said that the current iPad screen is extremely good being an IPS screen. Its viewing angle is fantastic in both portrait and landscape mode. I agree, my wife "borrows" my iPad all the time to play Farmville! And my two daughters fight over it. I played "Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP" last night on the iPad and never since ICO for the PS2 have I been so impressed with a game. The soundtrack and 8bit art is just amazing. As a tip for the iPad, download Frotz for the iPad and some classic Infocom images and you can play those classic text adventures. Man alive; Hitchhikers, Leather Goddess, A Mind Forever Voyaging and the Lurking Horror where EPIC. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 10 12:24:47 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:24:47 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 09 Apr 2011, at 07:33, Jamun wrote: > The iPad is a toy. You cant share files across a network, or print > from it > (without a special printer). The screen is too low resolution for > viewing A4 > pdfs. The only way to get files into and out of is using the crappy > iTunes > interface. Plus there are no interfaces such as USB or even an sd card > reader for transferring files. But I do share file transfer both via USB and wi-fi with my iPad -- there are ample tools besides iTunes for file transfer aned doc management -- I have no trouble reading A4 PDFs. (I suppose poster- size PDFs might be tricky, but they would be tricky on many other screens as well!) Frankly, it's easier reading A4 PDFs on my iPad than on my desktop screen because I can at least rotate the iPad screen more readily to a more doc-like orientation. I think possibly the issue here is knowing how best to use the tool. (For docs, PDFs, etc., I recommend GoodReader.) Oh, admittedly, I don't know anything about printing on the iPad -- but I very rarely use a printer these days. I do almost everything with electronic docs. (Although I have a printer, inherited from someone else, at home, I really only ever turn it on to use the scanner function. It's ink cartridges are empty, and there's no paper, and I haven't bothered to replace either. There's a laser printer at work, I know, but ... I'm not actually sure where it is, since I haven't used it.) Yes, I can see advantages to getting the iPad to play better wirelessly with, say, video projectors and Windows LANs ... and clearly being able to plug a USB device or pen drive in more directly would be handy -- though Dropbox works well enough, for the moment -- but it hasn't been a big issue for me. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 10 12:28:41 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:28:41 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <3F81287F-AEAC-4043-BFE0-87E0AF403A4E@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 09 Apr 2011, at 11:02, Paul Mather wrote: > I wouldn't agree with the word "toy" but the iPad does definitely > fall into a niche and is more limited than a general purpose > laptop. That's why when, recently at work, when I was given the > option of ordering a laptop or an iPad for myself it was a no- > brainer: I went for the laptop. I think its an issue of different tools fitting the different needs of different users. A tablet (whether an iPad or some other manufacturer's equivalent) fits my needs better than either a laptop or a smartphone. I do serious writing an app using on my desktop computer, which has more power and flexibility and a bigger screen. I only need a mobile phone so my wife can call me (and occasionally, I can call her). Portable, "annotatable" e-reading with some basic Web/email/calendar functionality covers most of the rest of what I do on a daily basis, and tablets are good at that. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 10 12:33:16 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:33:16 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Apr 2011, at 08:26, John Rennie wrote: > The 7" tablets are too small really. You need a 10" screen like the > iPad or the Archos 101 for reading PDFs to be a pleasant experience. > Be warned that the experience of several friends suggests that wives > love iPads and will quick monopolise it. Most of my friends have had > to buy a second iPad for their own use. Friends with a teenage > daughter have had to buy a third! Even infant daughters get cranky when they can't have the iPad. It's rapidly becoming clear to me that we are a tablet-per-person family. All I need now is a tablet-per-person budget! ;) I think I could use a smaller screen if it were a better screen. I think it would be hard to get a usable e-reader screen down to the size of an iPhone or Blackberry, but down to the x-y dimensions of the average paperback novel would be OK, I think, if the screen were good enough. Still, I used to lug around a briefcase with laptop, books, folders full of papers ... now I just lug around the iPad, so even if it doesn't fit in my pocket, it is at least easier to carry around than what I used to. The only difficulty is sometimes I need to go back to the briefcase full of stuff because the wife or daughter wants the iPad, too. ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 10 12:34:02 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:34:02 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Apr 2011, at 09:04, SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun wrote: > As a tip for the iPad, download Frotz for the iPad and some classic > Infocom > images and you can play those classic text adventures. Man alive; > Hitchhikers, Leather Goddess, A Mind Forever Voyaging and the > Lurking Horror > where EPIC. Awesome -- I'll take that tip! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 11 09:02:26 2011 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:02:26 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A quick dispute: as long as the PDFs have reflow active, reading on a smaller screen can be a pleasure. I routinely use my ancient winmo 6.0 phone to read ebooks in pdf format, and haven't ever had a problem. (...but said PDFs need to have reflow allowed, or it's a nightmare.) Thanks, Arin On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, John Rennie wrote: :Subject: Re: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found : :The 7" tablets are too small really. You need a 10" screen like the :iPad or the Archos 101 for reading PDFs to be a pleasant experience. :Be warned that the experience of several friends suggests that wives :love iPads and will quick monopolise it. Most of my friends have had :to buy a second iPad for their own use. Friends with a teenage :daughter have had to buy a third! : :Re XBMC: WMV is a closed format developed by Microsoft, and the open :source community has had to reverse engineer it. If you want to use :an open source media player WMV is best avoided. Conversely, if you :have to play WMVs the best option is to use Windows Media Player. : :>BTW, how can an iPad help with XMBC? : :You can run XBMC on an iPad (not on the iPad 2 yet) if you jailbreak :it. However most of us would just use the XBMC remote control applet :to control an HTPC running XBMC. The XBMC remote control applet is :available for both iPad and Android. XBMC itself has not been ported :to Android yet. : :JR : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith :Sent: 10 April 2011 13:55 :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: Re: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found : :Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me! You make it sound like a gadget :I must have. I am very interested in something that enables me to read PDFs :and get online quickly. ther are other options for tablets which I haven't :looked at like one produced by Asus. I resisted buying an Archos at the time :because I didn't have faith in its realiblity and the screen was too small. :The PMP seems to have died to to be reborn as the tablet. : :I have been looking at XMBC. I have tried it on Windows 7 PC. Its a good as :a media centre (less clumsy than Micosoft's!), especially for large music :collections. It seems fairly easy to configure but i am finding some minor :problems with some video file types, like WMV, but as i didn't record them I :don't know if the problem lies with a bad recording. I'll try in on a Mac :soon. : :BTW, how can an iPad help with XMBC? : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Solutions Architecture Consultant University of Chicago/IT Services/ITPD tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 11 09:07:42 2011 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:07:42 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found : [snip] :the issue here is knowing how best to use the tool. (For docs, PDFs, :etc., I recommend GoodReader.) I can also recommend iAnnotate. It's better than goodreader at annotations. GoodReader wins, though, for its WebDAV support. [snip] :Yes, I can see advantages to getting the iPad to play better :wirelessly with, say, video projectors and Windows LANs ... and video projector support is much better with the iPad 2 (much less flaky). ...and Windows LAN support is there with help from a third party vendor or two (although sharepoint support comes pretty easily if you have a decent DAV client, and all the iPads suffer for file storage that isn't clouded, whether that's SMB or otherwise.) Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Solutions Architecture Consultant University of Chicago/IT Services/ITPD tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 11 11:23:10 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:23:10 +0100 Subject: test Message-ID: test -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 11 11:28:49 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:28:49 -0400 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <4DA31CDE.60803@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey Mike, Got your test message. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Holmes Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:23 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: test test -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 11 11:29:54 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:29:54 +0100 Subject: Test 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, another test. I hope you're seeing this though... On 30/03/2011 19:33, Steve Freight wrote: > Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since no > 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. > > As Brian says "hope it isn't so long until the next issue". > > Nice review Paul of 40th anniversary bash. > > Thanks Brian and keep them coming. > > Steve > > > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 11 11:39:20 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:39:20 +0100 Subject: Test 2 In-Reply-To: <4DA31E72.1090106@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes got both messages On 11 April 2011 16:29, Mike Holmes wrote: > Sorry, another test. I hope you're seeing this though... > > > On 30/03/2011 19:33, Steve Freight wrote: > >> Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since >> no >> 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. >> >> As Brian says "hope it isn't so long until the next issue". >> >> Nice review Paul of 40th anniversary bash. >> >> Thanks Brian and keep them coming. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Apr 11 11:42:32 2011 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:42:32 +0200 Subject: Test 2 In-Reply-To: <4DA31E72.1090106@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It works Mike !!! Cheers Bernhard From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 11 11:43:35 2011 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary ann sullivan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:43:35 -0400 Subject: Test 2 In-Reply-To: <4DA31E72.1090106@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I don't see it, but my mate Tim does. Good luck, Thanks for your help in acquiring the disc, I still can't stop playing it!!!! Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Holmes Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:30 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Test 2 Sorry, another test. I hope you're seeing this though... On 30/03/2011 19:33, Steve Freight wrote: > Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait > since no > 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. > > As Brian says "hope it isn't so long until the next issue". > > Nice review Paul of 40th anniversary bash. > > Thanks Brian and keep them coming. > > Steve > > > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 11 11:45:17 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:45:17 +0100 Subject: Hawkfan 32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 30/03/2011 19:33, Steve Freight wrote: > Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since no > 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. Excellent. I'm back! So is the drill for Hawkfan the same as it used to be? Send SAE's to Brian Tawn? What's his current address? Ta! FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 11 12:33:56 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (eldren slayer) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:33:56 -0500 Subject: Hawkfan 32 In-Reply-To: <4DA3220D.2010202@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 4/11/11, Mike Holmes wrote: > On 30/03/2011 19:33, Steve Freight wrote: >> Nice surprise this evening - Hawkfan 32 was on the mat. A long wait since >> no >> 31 but, oh to read about my favourite band on paper again. Takes me back. > > Excellent. I'm back! > > So is the drill for Hawkfan the same as it used to be? Send SAE's to > Brian Tawn? What's his current address? > > Ta 1.50 including postage in the UK ?2.50 to Europe ?3.00 outside Europe (postage is nearly ?2) UK...... cheques payable to B. Tawn Outside the UK...... banknotes in your currency is fine Anywhere...... paypal to briantawn at aol.com That's all I've got so far, can somebody lemme 3 quid so I can leave your dreaming galaxy SO far behind? yours mDc From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 11 15:10:30 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:10:30 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:07 , Arin Komins wrote: > all the iPads suffer for file storage that isn't clouded, > whether that's SMB or otherwise. Well, to be sure, I couldn't cram my whole 100GBish digital library onto the iPad, but just throwing on stuff I want/need as I go, I'm still a long way from filling its almost 60GB capacity. I expect storage space -- clouded or local -- to grow perhaps as fast as I can fill it. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 11 16:11:03 2011 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:11:03 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <7437C984-0B8A-4C47-9AEA-CD98587482A8@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found : :On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:07 , Arin Komins wrote: :> all the iPads suffer for file storage that isn't clouded, :> whether that's SMB or otherwise. : :Well, to be sure, I couldn't cram my whole 100GBish digital library onto the iPad, but just throwing on stuff I want/need as I go, I'm still a long way from filling its almost 60GB capacity. I expect storage space -- clouded or local -- to grow perhaps as fast as I can fill it. Well, I'm more thinking of Apple's basic design: where they don't even have a "Save as" feature in the damn web browser. Yeah, there's lots of ways of bypassing that, but it certainly shows you that Apple really doesn't believe in local storage much anymore :-( (something I've bemoaned in recent iPods, for instance. Never enough damn space!!!) I'm fully expecting the next gen iPods to try to pull off cloud only, with some laughably small amount of local storage. Thx, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Solutions Architecture Consultant University of Chicago/IT Services/ITPD tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 11 19:59:55 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:59:55 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Apr 2011, at 15:11 , Arin Komins wrote: > Well, I'm more thinking of Apple's basic design: where they don't even > have a "Save as" feature in the damn web browser. Yeah, there's lots of > ways of bypassing that, but it certainly shows you that Apple really > doesn't believe in local storage much anymore :-( I dunno -- I wonder if that is more of a legacy of what they thought when they originally designed the iOS architecture, and a file system on a mobile device perhaps seemed less practical. You can certainly buy iPads with more storage space than probably most people need or use, and your iTunes purchases are still stored locally. The lack of a normal file management system on the iPad is a silly thing, though. I do get around it, but it would be better of course if I did not have to get around it. One presumes one could be bolted on .... or that future tablets will just run what are currently desktop OSes, much as current "netbooks" do (counting on eventual convergence between netbooks and tablets, or that the latter replace the former entirely). > (something I've bemoaned in recent iPods, for instance. Never enough damn > space!!!) Agreed, though I think that has more to do with the size of my music collection compared to those of the masses. :) > I'm fully expecting the next gen iPods to try to pull off cloud only, with > some laughably small amount of local storage. :) I think we're a (relatively) long way off for that to that to become practical. Sure, it will become practical more quickly for the masses who have small music libraries and relatively mainstream tastes. The major stumbling block would not be technology, however, but the awesomely horrendous issues of licensing to mobile roaming devices from a cloud. This is what keeps iTMS tied to particular countries, and prevents a simple, unified international store-front. With the model that even digital music is sold as a "physical" object, you are entitled to buy your musical property anywhere and cart it around with you. However if your your music is in the "cloud", then that's more like "broadcast", and a wild array of business entities may or may not own the rights in any given location -- and you would have to pay them (assuming that's even possible). You might step off a plane and discover that vast swathes of your favorite tunes were suddenly inaccessible or accessible only if you re-bought them. I am not sure how Amazon's cloud plans get around this. Possibly they assume that you have bought a "physical" MP3 and they are hanging onto a backup copy for you. But, anyway, the whole business model is not at all prepared for this kind of thing. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 11 20:31:17 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:31:17 +0800 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can see that a the tablet idea is a good one, but looking at the specs of an iPad, I can't see that its not that good. The iPad 2 is not rumored to be much better. I have read that real advances can expected with the iPad 3! Apparently, although presumably you can attach a bluetooth keyboard, you can't use a pointing device? There are some alternatives running Android, which allow the use of USB ports and memory cards which makes much more sense iTunes-- I will not buy from iTunes. There is nothing in their stores in Asia anyway as American companies think that people will pirate the contents, leaving you little choice but.... The common stuff is so easy to find why pay $10.00 for an album which is only lossy files? You can use Google's word processor and spreadsheets but they are not very good and no one really wants everything they write probed by Google. "Cloud" computing is slow coming. On 12 April 2011 07:59, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 11 Apr 2011, at 15:11 , Arin Komins wrote: > > Well, I'm more thinking of Apple's basic design: where they don't even > > have a "Save as" feature in the damn web browser. Yeah, there's lots of > > ways of bypassing that, but it certainly shows you that Apple really > > doesn't believe in local storage much anymore :-( > > > I dunno -- I wonder if that is more of a legacy of what they thought when > they originally designed the iOS architecture, and a file system on a mobile > device perhaps seemed less practical. You can certainly buy iPads with more > storage space than probably most people need or use, and your iTunes > purchases are still stored locally. > > The lack of a normal file management system on the iPad is a silly thing, > though. I do get around it, but it would be better of course if I did not > have to get around it. One presumes one could be bolted on .... or that > future tablets will just run what are currently desktop OSes, much as > current "netbooks" do (counting on eventual convergence between netbooks and > tablets, or that the latter replace the former entirely). > > > > (something I've bemoaned in recent iPods, for instance. Never enough > damn > > space!!!) > > > Agreed, though I think that has more to do with the size of my music > collection compared to those of the masses. :) > > > > I'm fully expecting the next gen iPods to try to pull off cloud only, > with > > some laughably small amount of local storage. > > > :) I think we're a (relatively) long way off for that to that to become > practical. Sure, it will become practical more quickly for the masses who > have small music libraries and relatively mainstream tastes. > > The major stumbling block would not be technology, however, but the > awesomely horrendous issues of licensing to mobile roaming devices from a > cloud. This is what keeps iTMS tied to particular countries, and prevents a > simple, unified international store-front. With the model that even digital > music is sold as a "physical" object, you are entitled to buy your musical > property anywhere and cart it around with you. However if your your music > is in the "cloud", then that's more like "broadcast", and a wild array of > business entities may or may not own the rights in any given location -- and > you would have to pay them (assuming that's even possible). You might step > off a plane and discover that vast swathes of your favorite tunes were > suddenly inaccessible or accessible only if you re-bought them. > > I am not sure how Amazon's cloud plans get around this. Possibly they > assume that you have bought a "physical" MP3 and they are hanging onto a > backup copy for you. But, anyway, the whole business model is not at all > prepared for this kind of thing. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 12 10:10:05 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:10:05 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:31 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > I can see that a the tablet idea is a good one, but looking at the specs of > an iPad, I can't see that its not that good. The iPad 2 is not rumored to be > much better. I have read that real advances can expected with the iPad 3! > Apparently, although presumably you can attach a bluetooth keyboard, you > can't use a pointing device? > There are some alternatives running Android, which allow the use of USB > ports and memory cards which makes much more sense I think we are definitely in the early days of tablets. There is much to be seen about what happens with capabilities and form factors with regards to tablets, e-readers, smartphones, netbooks, etc. Really, "digital mobile work and lifestyle" is still in its infancy, though rapidly evolving. Interesting times. > iTunes-- I will not buy from iTunes. There is nothing in their stores in > Asia anyway as American companies think that people will pirate the > contents, leaving you little choice but.... The common stuff is so easy to > find why pay $10.00 for an album which is only lossy files? Agreed, iTMS is not for me. Though, clearly, it works for some people. But, then again, some people like asparagus, while I don't. :) > You can use Google's word processor and spreadsheets but they are not very > good and no one really wants everything they write probed by Google. "Cloud" > computing is slow coming. Also agreed, though I have to admit that I don't really care whether Google is reading my docs and email or not. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 12 17:06:57 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:06:57 -0500 Subject: strontium-90 Message-ID: cancer in the blood who's gonna pay for the dirty bomb? From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 05:17:45 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:17:45 +0800 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <42093674-8F26-48DA-82CD-3D4712DF68BE@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I am sure you are right about tablets, but I am still holding on that one. In Asia people love all these digital devices. You see OAPs with their smart phones, whereas in the UK the same age group can hardly send an email. A tablet of some kind would seem like a very good thing to travel with, to read your Lonely Planet Guides, read email, etc. Wi-fi is everywhere now. iTunes is a huge success. Steve Jobs knows how to market products, but its sad that sound quality is going down not up with the "iPod". The younger audience don't acre, but I guess that lossless, even HD, music will be common soon. I know what you man about Google. Gmail is good. I don't write anything that would interest them or anyone else. On 12 April 2011 22:10, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:31 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I can see that a the tablet idea is a good one, but looking at the specs > of > > an iPad, I can't see that its not that good. The iPad 2 is not rumored to > be > > much better. I have read that real advances can expected with the iPad 3! > > Apparently, although presumably you can attach a bluetooth keyboard, you > > can't use a pointing device? > > There are some alternatives running Android, which allow the use of USB > > ports and memory cards which makes much more sense > > > I think we are definitely in the early days of tablets. There is much to > be seen about what happens with capabilities and form factors with regards > to tablets, e-readers, smartphones, netbooks, etc. Really, "digital mobile > work and lifestyle" is still in its infancy, though rapidly evolving. > Interesting times. > > > > iTunes-- I will not buy from iTunes. There is nothing in their stores in > > Asia anyway as American companies think that people will pirate the > > contents, leaving you little choice but.... The common stuff is so easy > to > > find why pay $10.00 for an album which is only lossy files? > > > Agreed, iTMS is not for me. Though, clearly, it works for some people. > But, then again, some people like asparagus, while I don't. :) > > > > You can use Google's word processor and spreadsheets but they are not > very > > good and no one really wants everything they write probed by Google. > "Cloud" > > computing is slow coming. > > > Also agreed, though I have to admit that I don't really care whether Google > is reading my docs and email or not. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 05:20:07 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? Message-ID: I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 05:23:13 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:23:13 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... -S. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 05:34:47 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT (even spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a Christan Rap group, etc. I can see your link http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ but its not working for me.... On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be > >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? > > > If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ > > And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. > and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. > > I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... > > -S. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 05:41:02 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:41:02 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let me link on your wall... can you post a link to your FB page? I have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! -S. On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT (even >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a >Christan Rap group, etc. > >I can see your link > >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > >but its not working for me.... > >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? >> >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... >> >> -S. >> From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 07:57:53 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: facebook.com/MOSNT There are a lot Jonathan Smith's about! On 13 April 2011 17:41, Steve Pond wrote: > Let me link on your wall... can you post a link to your FB page? I > have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to > bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! > > -S. > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT (even > >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a > >Christan Rap group, etc. > > > >I can see your link > > > >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > > > >but its not working for me.... > > > >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> > >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be > >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? > >> > >> > >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ > >> > >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. > >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. > >> > >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... > >> > >> -S. > >> > From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 13 08:43:12 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:43:12 -0400 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote: >I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: > >facebook.com/MOSNT > I am not on Facebook, having deleted my profile, due to what I would call guilt by association. Eg you have little control over the believes and pages of nutters that you link with and can be tarred with the same brush. Any how, here in Germany, your link works for me >> >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ >> > but this doesnt work for me, and I get a login page. @Steve, you must need to set up some "public" profiling I guess. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 09:02:47 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this again: http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ I just loosened the default settings... -S. On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800, you sent through the ether: >I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: > >facebook.com/MOSNT > >There are a lot Jonathan Smith's about! > >On 13 April 2011 17:41, Steve Pond wrote: > >> Let me link on your wall... can you post a link to your FB page? I >> have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to >> bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT (even >> >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a >> >Christan Rap group, etc. >> > >> >I can see your link >> > >> >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ >> > >> >but its not working for me.... >> > >> >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >> >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be >> >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? >> >> >> >> >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ >> >> >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. >> >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. >> >> >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... >> >> >> >> -S. >> >> >> From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 09:08:24 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:08:24 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4m7bq6lk41jg75hevb3eml47gs6q90e2dt@4ax.com> Message-ID: That did it! :) On 13 April 2011 21:02, Steve Pond wrote: > I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this > again: > > http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > > I just loosened the default settings... > > -S. > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: > > > >facebook.com/MOSNT > > > >There are a lot Jonathan Smith's about! > > > >On 13 April 2011 17:41, Steve Pond wrote: > > > >> Let me link on your wall... can you post a link to your FB page? I > >> have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to > >> bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! > >> > >> -S. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> > >> >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT > (even > >> >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a > >> >Christan Rap group, etc. > >> > > >> >I can see your link > >> > > >> >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > >> > > >> >but its not working for me.... > >> > > >> >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> >> > >> >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and > be > >> >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ > >> >> > >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. > >> >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. > >> >> > >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... > >> >> > >> >> -S. > >> >> > >> > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 09:11:32 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:32 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Phew! Maybe I should resend the begging mailout now it might have some results :o) -S. On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:08:24 +0800, you sent through the ether: >That did it! :) > >On 13 April 2011 21:02, Steve Pond wrote: > >> I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this >> again: >> >> http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ >> >> I just loosened the default settings... >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: >> > >> >facebook.com/MOSNT >> > >> >There are a lot Jonathan Smith's about! >> > >> >On 13 April 2011 17:41, Steve Pond wrote: >> > >> >> Let me link on your wall... can you post a link to your FB page? I >> >> have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to >> >> bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! >> >> >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >> >> >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT >> (even >> >> >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a >> >> >Christan Rap group, etc. >> >> > >> >> >I can see your link >> >> > >> >> >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ >> >> > >> >> >but its not working for me.... >> >> > >> >> >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >> >> >> >> >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and >> be >> >> >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ >> >> >> >> >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. >> >> >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. >> >> >> >> >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... >> >> >> >> >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> >> From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 13 09:15:06 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:15:06 -0400 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0100, Steve Pond wrote: >I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this >again: > >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > That works for me now as well. BTW that Robert Calvert with Inner City Unit - Bunker Busters! Is Fing amazing. Thanks From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 09:17:21 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:17:21 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is unique! On 13 April 2011 21:15, Jamun wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0100, Steve Pond wrote: > > >I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this > >again: > > > >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > > > > That works for me now as well. > > BTW that > > Robert Calvert with Inner City Unit - Bunker Busters! > > Is Fing amazing. > > Thanks > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 09:19:49 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:19:49 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, I'll upload some more when I get time to edit it, there's a funny version of Ejection where Fred goes to answer the phone (no mobiles back then) and Bob takes over the piano Karate style! -S. On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:15:06 -0400, you sent through the ether: >On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0100, Steve Pond wrote: > >>I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this >>again: >> >>http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ >> > >That works for me now as well. > >BTW that > >Robert Calvert with Inner City Unit - Bunker Busters! > >Is Fing amazing. > >Thanks From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 09:32:39 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:39 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That would be great. Bob and Nik are both at their weirdest in that video. BTW, I can't read your message on my wall (wherever my wall is!), but did get the mail. I can't work Facebook out, not like these young people! I'm sure the CD will get to me soon-- the others all arrived very quickly. On 13 April 2011 21:19, Steve Pond wrote: > Thanks, > > I'll upload some more when I get time to edit it, there's a funny > version of Ejection where Fred goes to answer the phone (no mobiles > back then) and Bob takes over the piano Karate style! > > -S. > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:15:06 -0400, you sent through the ether: > > >On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0100, Steve Pond > wrote: > > > >>I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this > >>again: > >> > >>http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > >> > > > >That works for me now as well. > > > >BTW that > > > >Robert Calvert with Inner City Unit - Bunker Busters! > > > >Is Fing amazing. > > > >Thanks > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 13 09:38:34 2011 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:38:34 +0100 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:39 +0800, you sent through the ether: >BTW, I can't read your message on my wall I erased it :o) I was trying to post as Krankschaft, but as usual facebook decides where I will and where I won't be Krankschaft! When I first signed up to FB I just wanted to be KS and not have a personal page, but you have to have a personal page to set up an "entity" page to administer it.. consequently -everything- goes to my personal page and the KS page is like an orphaned limb that has no real linking or sharing power. I can't wait for someone to invent something better... -S. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 10:05:22 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:05:22 +0800 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't like it TBH, but I have a couple of good friends who insist on communicating through it! I set up a page for a friend who was known as Herman Asteroid ( a friend who 'sang' on some demos years ago), just for fun, and the same thing happened. Sometimes I am Herman Asteroid but usually not (thankfully). You could have been invented a KS entity I suppose but I don't how. On 13 April 2011 21:38, Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:39 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >BTW, I can't read your message on my wall > > > I erased it :o) I was trying to post as Krankschaft, but as usual > facebook decides where I will and where I won't be Krankschaft! > > When I first signed up to FB I just wanted to be KS and not have a > personal page, but you have to have a personal page to set up an > "entity" page to administer it.. consequently -everything- goes to my > personal page and the KS page is like an orphaned limb that has no > real linking or sharing power. > > I can't wait for someone to invent something better... > > -S. > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 11:32:09 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:32:09 +0100 Subject: Motorhead - The World is Yours CD Pack =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A32?= Message-ID: Those in the UK may like to know that the Motorhead Classic Rock Pack with badge, picks, magazine and 10 track CD in book, appeared on my local market magazine stall today for ?2 Might be worth a trip to your local market, if you have one that sells out of date magazines (and you want a copy of course, otherwise pointless!). Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Apr 13 11:43:20 2011 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:43:20 +0200 Subject: New show on 28.05.11 Message-ID: >From the official WebSite Hawkwind to play Friars Aylesbury birthday bash We can now announce that Hawkwind will play a show at the world famous Friars club in Aylesbury on Saturday 28th May. The gig is in celebration of Friars 42nd birthday and Hawkwind will be the only band to have played all 4 phases of it's existence, first appearing in 1971 with subsequent shows in 1972 and 1976, it's also the first Friars concert on a Saturday night since 1984 and takes place in the town's brand new 1800 capacity Waterside theatre with support coming from Canvey Island's finest - Wilko Johnson. Tickets go on sale this Saturday, 16th April at 11:00, make sure you order early as the Friars club membership is in excess of 90,000 so demand is sure to be high. For full details on this and all other upcoming Hawkwind shows don't forget to visit the Tour Dates page. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 13 17:09:11 2011 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:09:11 -0700 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: _________ I'm there now, nice pics of Captain Calvert! Tasty! ________________________________ From: Jonathan Smith To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:08:24 AM Subject: Re: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? That did it! :) On 13 April 2011 21:02, Steve Pond wrote: > I've added you and will link you, but just out of curiosity try this > again: > > http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > > I just loosened the default settings... > > -S. > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:57:53 +0800, you sent through the ether: > > >I'm not very good with Facebook, but this is my URL: > > > >facebook.com/MOSNT > > > >There are a lot Jonathan Smith's about! > > > >On 13 April 2011 17:41, Steve Pond wrote: > > > >> Let me link on your wall...? can you post a link to your FB page? I > >> have 3 Jonathan Smith's in my friends directory and I don't want to > >> bug the wrong one, But I'm happy to add a 4th ! > >> > >> -S. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> > >> >That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT > (even > >> >spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a > >> >Christan Rap group, etc. > >> > > >> >I can see your link > >> > > >> >http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > >> > > >> >but its not working for me.... > >> > > >> >On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> >> > >> >> >I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and > be > >> >> >friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ > >> >> > >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. > >> >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. > >> >> > >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... > >> >> > >> >> -S. > >> >> > >> > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 13 22:51:08 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:51:08 -0500 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Apr 2011, at 04:17 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > A tablet of some kind would seem like a very good thing to travel with, to > read your Lonely Planet Guides, read email, etc. Wi-fi is everywhere now. Today, my wife, whilst traveling on business in the US, called me via Skype from the iPad whilst strolling through some mall -- which, of course, had freely accessible wi-fi. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 13 22:52:23 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:52:23 -0500 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had this same problem. Eventually, through complicated machinations, I was able to solve it -- though I don't entirely remember how. (And I think I had possibly already "liked" Krankschaft anyway!). Cheers, Carl On 13 Apr 2011, at 04:34 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > That takes me to my own page. If I I search Facebook for KRANKSCHAFT (even > spelled correctly) I get several pages with similar names but one is a > Christan Rap group, etc. > > I can see your link > > http://www.facebook.com/krankschaft/ > > but its not working for me.... > > On 13 April 2011 17:23, Steve Pond wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:20:07 +0800, you sent through the ether: >> >>> I cannot find KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook. I would happily 'like' it and be >>> friends but I cannot find the page. Any clues? >> >> >> If I go to our website http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/ >> >> And click the facebook link top right, it takes me straight there.. >> and I just installed this PC so it's not caching or anything.. >> >> I wonder what Fb shenanigans are making it not work... >> >> -S. >> > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 13 22:59:12 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:59:12 -0500 Subject: KRANKSCHAFT on Facebook? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Facebook has failed gain a sensible way of doing music-orriented stuff. MySpace was once upon a time good at that -- it actually managed to capture a bit of the vibe of the original MP3.com -- but kind of "jumped the shark" at some point. Until FB manages to figure the music thing out, lots of littler music-oriented entities like Reverbnation and SoundAwesome are going to swarm around its flanks, trying to figure out how to leverage FB with apps to drive traffic their way. If FB _did_ figure out how to deal with music and artists, these other sites would be killed stone dead. Equally, it takes just one sufficiently fatal mis-step and Facebook collapses and the USD 60 billion valuation vaporizes in hours. Nothing lasts forever. :) Cheers, Carl On 13 Apr 2011, at 08:38 , Steve Pond wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:39 +0800, you sent through the ether: > >> BTW, I can't read your message on my wall > > > I erased it :o) I was trying to post as Krankschaft, but as usual > facebook decides where I will and where I won't be Krankschaft! > > When I first signed up to FB I just wanted to be KS and not have a > personal page, but you have to have a personal page to set up an > "entity" page to administer it.. consequently -everything- goes to my > personal page and the KS page is like an orphaned limb that has no > real linking or sharing power. > > I can't wait for someone to invent something better... > > -S. > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 13 23:00:17 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:00:17 -0500 Subject: Motorhead - The World is Yours CD Pack =?utf-8?Q?=C2=A32?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andy Gilham -- ex of this list -- brought me one of those at Xmas. :) I have it here in my desk drawer. :) Cheers, Carl On 13 Apr 2011, at 10:32 , Steve Freight wrote: > Those in the UK may like to know that the Motorhead Classic Rock Pack with > badge, picks, magazine and 10 track CD in book, appeared on my local market > magazine stall today for ?2 > > Might be worth a trip to your local market, if you have one that sells out > of date magazines (and you want a copy of course, otherwise pointless!). > > Steve > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 23:23:07 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:23:07 -0400 Subject: HW: New show on 28.05.11 In-Reply-To: <1QA2Dl-0tICjA0@fwd20.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Anyone know what The Friars club is ? cooks association ? monks ? steve L > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:43:20 +0200 > From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE > Subject: New show on 28.05.11 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > From the official WebSite > > > Hawkwind to play Friars Aylesbury birthday bash > > We can now announce that Hawkwind will play a show at the world famous > Friars club in Aylesbury on Saturday 28th May. > > The gig is in celebration of Friars 42nd birthday and Hawkwind will be the > only band to have played all 4 phases of it's existence, first appearing in > 1971 with subsequent shows in 1972 and 1976, it's also the first Friars > concert on a Saturday night since 1984 and takes place in the town's brand > new 1800 capacity Waterside theatre with support coming from Canvey Island's > finest - Wilko Johnson. > > Tickets go on sale this Saturday, 16th April at 11:00, make sure you order > early as the Friars club membership is in excess of 90,000 so demand is sure > to be high. > > For full details on this and all other upcoming Hawkwind shows don't forget > to visit the Tour Dates > page. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 13 23:49:33 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:49:33 -0500 Subject: Huw's NY show Message-ID: looks "finger lickin'" good to me..... Aug 17, 2011 BB Kings NYC Nektar w/ Huw, Brainticket ps-lucky BASTARDS that get to go From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 14 02:06:07 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:06:07 +0800 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: <763AC373-7D06-439C-923E-27732C2CC7CF@carlaz.com> Message-ID: That's good. My phone uses Skype too, but an tablet is much easier to read. I am going to look at an alternative one later on! On 14 April 2011 10:51, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 13 Apr 2011, at 04:17 , Jonathan Smith wrote: > > A tablet of some kind would seem like a very good thing to travel with, > to > > read your Lonely Planet Guides, read email, etc. Wi-fi is everywhere now. > > Today, my wife, whilst traveling on business in the US, called me via Skype > from the iPad whilst strolling through some mall -- which, of course, had > freely accessible wi-fi. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 14 16:59:06 2011 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: Is this a late April Fool's????? Message-ID: Someone posted this link on another music list to which I'm subscribed: http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/april/14William_Shatner_Recruits_Ritchie_Blackmore,_Zakk_Wylde,_Michael_Schenker,_Davies_and_Frampton_For_New_Album.shtml Steve Hillage? Manuel G?ttsching? Edgar Froese? A cover of Hawkwind's Silver Machine with Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine Appice on drums!?!?!?!??? "Titled Searching for Major Tom (it was formerly Seeking Major Tom), the album is due out later this year on Cleopatra Records. [[...]] Searching for Major Tom tracklist: 1. "Space Trucking" (Deep Purple) ? Ian Paice on drums and Johnny Winter on guitar 2. "She Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby) ? Bootsy Collins on bass and Patrick Moraz (Yes) on keyboards 3. "In a Little While" (U2) ? Manuel Gottsching on guitar 4. "Empty Glass" (The Tea Party) ? Michael Schenker on guitar 5. "Lost in the Stars" (Frank Sinatra) ? Ernie Watts on saxophone 6. "Twilight Zone" (Golden Earring) ? Warren Haynes on guitar 7. "Space Cowboy" (Steve Miller Band) ? Brad Paisley on guitar and vocals 8. "Rocket Man" (Elton John) ? Steve Hillage on guitar 9. "Space Oddity" (David Bowie) ? Ritchie Blackmore on guitar and Alan Parsons on keyboards 10. "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum) ? Peter Frampton on guitar 11. "Bohemian Rhapsody" (Queen) ? John Wetton on bass and vocals 12. "Silver Machine" (Hawkwind) ? Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine Appice on drums 13. "Major Tom" (Peter Shilling) ? Nick Valensi on guitar, Zakk Wylde on guitar and Mike Inez on bass 14. "Learning to Fly" (Pink Floyd) ? Edgar Froese on guitar and keyboards 15. "Mr. Spaceman" (The Byrds) ? Dave Davies on guitar 16. "Iron Man" (Black Sabbath) ? Zakk Wylde on guitar and vocals 17. "Planet Earth" (Duran Duran) ? Steve Howe on guitar 18. "Walking on the Moon" (The Police) ? Toots (of Toots and the Maytals) on vocals 19. "Mrs. Major Tom" ? female vocalist to be announced" Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke? That line-up is pretty stellar! Cheers, Paul. PS: Now it's official: Warren Haynes has collaborated with everyone in the known universe! From lucidsound at IC24.NET Thu Apr 14 17:19:44 2011 From: lucidsound at IC24.NET (lucidsound) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:19:44 +0100 Subject: Is this a late April Fool's????? Message-ID: Having just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hae6PlPYA anything is possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:59 PM Subject: Is this a late April Fool's????? > Someone posted this link on another music list to which I'm subscribed: > > http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/april/14William_Shatner_Recruits_Ritchie_Blackmore,_Zakk_Wylde,_Michael_Schenker,_Davies_and_Frampton_For_New_Album.shtml > > > Steve Hillage? Manuel G?ttsching? Edgar Froese? > > A cover of Hawkwind's Silver Machine with Wayne Kramer on guitar and > Carmine Appice on drums!?!?!?!??? > > "Titled Searching for Major Tom (it was formerly Seeking Major Tom), the > album is due out later this year on Cleopatra Records. > > [[...]] > > Searching for Major Tom tracklist: > 1. "Space Trucking" (Deep Purple) ? Ian Paice on drums and Johnny Winter > on guitar > 2. "She Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby) ? Bootsy Collins on bass > and Patrick Moraz (Yes) on keyboards > 3. "In a Little While" (U2) ? Manuel Gottsching on guitar > 4. "Empty Glass" (The Tea Party) ? Michael Schenker on guitar > 5. "Lost in the Stars" (Frank Sinatra) ? Ernie Watts on saxophone > 6. "Twilight Zone" (Golden Earring) ? Warren Haynes on guitar > 7. "Space Cowboy" (Steve Miller Band) ? Brad Paisley on guitar and vocals > 8. "Rocket Man" (Elton John) ? Steve Hillage on guitar > 9. "Space Oddity" (David Bowie) ? Ritchie Blackmore on guitar and Alan > Parsons on keyboards > 10. "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum) ? Peter Frampton on guitar > 11. "Bohemian Rhapsody" (Queen) ? John Wetton on bass and vocals > 12. "Silver Machine" (Hawkwind) ? Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine > Appice on drums > 13. "Major Tom" (Peter Shilling) ? Nick Valensi on guitar, Zakk Wylde on > guitar and Mike Inez on bass > 14. "Learning to Fly" (Pink Floyd) ? Edgar Froese on guitar and keyboards > 15. "Mr. Spaceman" (The Byrds) ? Dave Davies on guitar > 16. "Iron Man" (Black Sabbath) ? Zakk Wylde on guitar and vocals > 17. "Planet Earth" (Duran Duran) ? Steve Howe on guitar > 18. "Walking on the Moon" (The Police) ? Toots (of Toots and the Maytals) > on vocals > 19. "Mrs. Major Tom" ? female vocalist to be announced" > > > Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke? That line-up is pretty > stellar! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Now it's official: Warren Haynes has collaborated with everyone in the > known universe! > From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 15 10:32:52 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:32:52 +0100 Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did someone recently mention that it was thought this has an extra track? Just started a new job and a contact there this morning mentioned he has kit which can play a laser disc and transfer it to DVD. Worth a shot? His colleague mentioned that he somewhere has a Marc Bolan compliation DVD which features the Hawkwind appearance on the Marc Bolan show. It would be nice to get a better-than-VHS copy of that and I'll arrange this with him. Does anyone know what the DVD is? Seems I should add it to my kollection... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 15 10:36:02 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:36:02 +0100 Subject: Motorhead - The World is Yours CD Pack =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A32?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been asked by a couple of people if I can obtain copies for them. I'll be going into town next Saturday and if they have some left I'll collect for those who have asked. I'm not sure of the postage cost but I won't rip anyone off so if anyone wants me to see if they have copies for them and prepared to cover my costs then please contact me offline with your address and I'll get you a copy and make arrangements for payment once I have a copy I can get weighed. Regards, Steve On 13 April 2011 16:32, Steve Freight wrote: > Those in the UK may like to know that the Motorhead Classic Rock Pack with > badge, picks, magazine and 10 track CD in book, appeared on my local market > magazine stall today for ?2 > > Might be worth a trip to your local market, if you have one that sells out > of date magazines (and you want a copy of course, otherwise pointless!). > > Steve > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 15 11:01:05 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:01:05 -0400 Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? In-Reply-To: <4DA85714.2070107@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Does anyone want one (laser disk) my player dies years ago I can check the track listing..... Steve > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:32:52 +0100 > From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK > Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Did someone recently mention that it was thought this has an extra track? > > Just started a new job and a contact there this morning mentioned he has > kit which can play a laser disc and transfer it to DVD. Worth a shot? > > His colleague mentioned that he somewhere has a Marc Bolan compliation > DVD which features the Hawkwind appearance on the Marc Bolan show. It > would be nice to get a better-than-VHS copy of that and I'll arrange > this with him. Does anyone know what the DVD is? Seems I should add it > to my kollection... > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Apr 15 12:20:43 2011 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:20:43 -0700 Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? In-Reply-To: <4DA85714.2070107@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP asked... > Did someone recently mention that it > was thought this has an extra track? Probably. I used to have the old Japanese VHS issue (NTSC) of this, and then when I got the DVD, realized that Wind of Change, which runs about 3 minutes through the final credits, was left off the DVD. In my recent efforts to digitize my entire music collection to 192kbps/AAC, starting with all my analogue music, and then my VHS's and DVD's (decrypting to audio only), I realized also that I had sold off my VHS copy thinking I had that entire thing. So, lacking Wind of Change, I went online and found somewhere (probably YouTube) that had it there, so I 'recorded' it via Audacity (audio quality lacking to some extent, but better than nothing), and added that exported AAC track to the DVD-sourced audio files I had already made. > Just started a new job and a contact there this morning > mentioned he has kit which can play a laser disc and > transfer it to DVD. Worth a shot? Sure...and if, after finishing, you post it up on YouTube (with superior audio), I'll redo my audio-AAC recording and thank you kindly. :) IIRC, Simon House plays on it, so it sounds a lot more 'complete' than the Palace Springs tour versions. Hey, I also just 'recorded' the audio of Hawkwind doing WGWTW live on German TV with Ginger Baker and Keith Hale(?), immediately before they were sacked. Again, audio is not primo quality, but I'd never heard this before or knew of it, so I was happy to snag it. Somebody posted this to YouTube as well. Apparently, they also did Motorway City for this show (Feb. 1981), and was wondering if anyone had that as well. I also recorded, not too long ago, a pretty cool version of Hassan I Sahba live, obviously Quark-era tour (77 or 78 prolly), with Bob Calvert natch, that someone uploaded to Grooveshark with no source info. Keith H. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 15 13:25:13 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:25:13 +0800 Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? In-Reply-To: <682519.39695.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does anyone want a copy of HW LIve Legends on LD? I On 16 April 2011 00:20, Keith Henderson wrote: > FoFP asked... > > > Did someone recently mention that it > > was thought this has an extra track? > > Probably. I used to have the old Japanese VHS issue (NTSC) of this, and > then when I got the DVD, realized that Wind of Change, which runs about 3 > minutes through the final credits, was left off the DVD. In my recent > efforts to digitize my entire music collection to 192kbps/AAC, starting with > all my analogue music, and then my VHS's and DVD's (decrypting to audio > only), I realized also that I had sold off my VHS copy thinking I had that > entire thing. So, lacking Wind of Change, I went online and found somewhere > (probably YouTube) that had it there, so I 'recorded' it via Audacity (audio > quality lacking to some extent, but better than nothing), and added that > exported AAC track to the DVD-sourced audio files I had already made. > > > Just started a new job and a contact there this morning > > mentioned he has kit which can play a laser disc and > > transfer it to DVD. Worth a shot? > > Sure...and if, after finishing, you post it up on YouTube (with superior > audio), I'll redo my audio-AAC recording and thank you kindly. :) IIRC, > Simon House plays on it, so it sounds a lot more 'complete' than the Palace > Springs tour versions. > > Hey, I also just 'recorded' the audio of Hawkwind doing WGWTW live on > German TV with Ginger Baker and Keith Hale(?), immediately before they were > sacked. Again, audio is not primo quality, but I'd never heard this before > or knew of it, so I was happy to snag it. Somebody posted this to YouTube > as well. Apparently, they also did Motorway City for this show (Feb. 1981), > and was wondering if anyone had that as well. > > I also recorded, not too long ago, a pretty cool version of Hassan I Sahba > live, obviously Quark-era tour (77 or 78 prolly), with Bob Calvert natch, > that someone uploaded to Grooveshark with no source info. > > Keith H. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 15 13:37:32 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:37:32 -0500 Subject: Live Legends Laser Disc extra track? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do but I need a copy of "the cyberspace conspiracy" going with it to make it work... If anyone can come "up-to-bat" with this (these), I will set my creative mind at work in your favor, as to repayment. so long as the fallout-cancer doesn't take me down beforehand...or anything else, like sheer disgust On 4/15/11, Jonathan Smith wrote: > Does anyone want a copy of HW LIve Legends on LD? I > > On 16 April 2011 00:20, Keith Henderson wrote: > >> FoFP asked... >> >> > Did someone recently mention that it >> > was thought this has an extra track? >> >> Probably. I used to have the old Japanese VHS issue (NTSC) of this, and >> then when I got the DVD, realized that Wind of Change, which runs about 3 >> minutes through the final credits, was left off the DVD. In my recent >> efforts to digitize my entire music collection to 192kbps/AAC, starting >> with >> all my analogue music, and then my VHS's and DVD's (decrypting to audio >> only), I realized also that I had sold off my VHS copy thinking I had that >> entire thing. So, lacking Wind of Change, I went online and found >> somewhere >> (probably YouTube) that had it there, so I 'recorded' it via Audacity >> (audio >> quality lacking to some extent, but better than nothing), and added that >> exported AAC track to the DVD-sourced audio files I had already made. >> >> > Just started a new job and a contact there this morning >> > mentioned he has kit which can play a laser disc and >> > transfer it to DVD. Worth a shot? >> >> Sure...and if, after finishing, you post it up on YouTube (with superior >> audio), I'll redo my audio-AAC recording and thank you kindly. :) IIRC, >> Simon House plays on it, so it sounds a lot more 'complete' than the >> Palace >> Springs tour versions. >> >> Hey, I also just 'recorded' the audio of Hawkwind doing WGWTW live on >> German TV with Ginger Baker and Keith Hale(?), immediately before they >> were >> sacked. Again, audio is not primo quality, but I'd never heard this >> before >> or knew of it, so I was happy to snag it. Somebody posted this to YouTube >> as well. Apparently, they also did Motorway City for this show (Feb. >> 1981), >> and was wondering if anyone had that as well. >> >> I also recorded, not too long ago, a pretty cool version of Hassan I Sahba >> live, obviously Quark-era tour (77 or 78 prolly), with Bob Calvert natch, >> that someone uploaded to Grooveshark with no source info. >> >> Keith H. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 15 13:49:43 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:49:43 -0500 Subject: (off) experimente? Message-ID: Help me try to defy (known) reality and keep the Fukashima 50 alive despite science? couldn't hurt to try! ? Of course they also have to be reasonably "OK" if they continue living!!! hmmm..... From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 16 05:36:19 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:36:19 +0800 Subject: (off) experimente? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The situation is getting worse and worse.. On 16 April 2011 01:49, mike c wrote: > Help me try to defy (known) reality and keep the Fukashima 50 alive > despite science? > couldn't hurt to try! ? > Of course they also have to be reasonably "OK" if they continue living!!! > hmmm..... > From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sat Apr 16 15:36:07 2011 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:36:07 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: http://www.50stateads.com//images/bookmark.php From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 17 09:46:18 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:46:18 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com April 17, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #261). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #261) Vibravoid - "What You Want" (from Minddrugs) Vibravoid - "You Keep On Falling" (from You Keep On Falling 7") Bubbledubble - "Ursa Minor" (from Twilight Phenomena) Sonic Arcana - "Ethereal Floaty" (from Past Echoes) Trigon - "Zensation" (from 2011) WHITE HILLS SET White Hills - "The Condition Of Nothing" (from H-p1) White Hills - "Three Quarters" (from White Hills) Gnod / White Hills - "Run-A Round" (from Gnod Drop Out With White Hills II) White Hills - "Coming For You" (from They've Got Blood Like We've Got Blood) Vocokesh - "Texas Asphalt Blues" (from Dr. Hofmann's Bicycle Ride) Void Generator - "Out Of Time" (from We Have Found The Space) ANT-BEE - "Re-Birth" (from Electronic Church Muzik) Lunar Dunes - "Oriental Pacific" (from Galaxsea) Lunar Dunes - "The Todal Gleeps" (from From Above) Vert:x - "Orthostat" (from Ggantija) Vert:x - "Space Junk" (from a.f.m.o.a.h.e) The Rick Ray Band - "Gotta Be" (from Can't Lie Hard Enough) Dave Fuglewicz - "One" (excerpt) (from One) Baby Grandmothers - "Somebody Keeps Calling Me" (from Baby Grandmothers 1967-68) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Sun Apr 17 11:34:02 2011 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:34:02 EDT Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Didn't need it after Wilfrieds WOTEOT pic disc photos................... In a message dated 16/04/2011 20:37:14 GMT Daylight Time, stevepxr5 at AOL.COM writes: http://www.50stateads.com//images/bookmark.php From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Sun Apr 17 14:48:30 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:48:30 -0400 Subject: Hawklords Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert, DVD Review Message-ID: I was lucky to get a copy of the new Hawklords Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert DVD, for review. I have given it: EPIC. TOTAL SONIC SPACE ROCK DESTRUCTION. 9/10. http://www.spacerocktrading.com/hawklords-barney-bubbles-memorial-concert-dvd-review-t128.html From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 17 15:10:57 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:10:57 +0100 Subject: BBC Documentary DVD cover Message-ID: Can someone help please. I recall that when this was broadcast someone designed a DVD sleeve for this. I can't seem to find this anywhere. Does anyone have the link please Thanks Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 18 02:29:27 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:29:27 +0800 Subject: Hawklords Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert, DVD Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK-- this the perspective of someone who forked out *20 quid* for the DVD. I couldn't say it was worth the money, but I should have known better as I have heard the bootlegs beforehand. I'd give it more like 4-5/10. The lack of effort and practise that's gone into it is just too obvious. The selection is tracks is uninspired-- what happened to "Shot Down in the Night", Steve Swindell's only claim to fame? Where are the actual *Hawklords* numbers? Ron Tree handles vocals better than Nik which is a bonus (he does a fair imitation of Robert Calvert). Where are all the Ron Tree alien numbers and Alan Davey's too? Space Ritual was far better. The sound quality is not too bad. The video-- I really couldn't watch it all-- what is there to see? An audio CD would have been better. Don't get me wrong. I like some of Alan Davey's solo work but "Last Wish" is very good-- Bridget Wishart gets better and better and Louis Davey's album is good too. On 18 April 2011 02:48, Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com < jason_gregory at talk21.com> wrote: > I was lucky to get a copy of the new Hawklords Barney Bubbles Memorial > Concert DVD, for review. > > I have given it: > EPIC. TOTAL SONIC SPACE ROCK DESTRUCTION. 9/10. > > > http://www.spacerocktrading.com/hawklords-barney-bubbles-memorial-concert-dvd-review-t128.html > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 18 18:53:31 2011 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:53:31 -0500 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <298ba.1ee05fa2.3adc626a@aol.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/11, Martin Hutchby wrote: > Didn't need it after Wilfrieds WOTEOT pic disc photos................... Oh dear, I've usually pictured the jukebox 45's for that, and even then it likely wouldn't fih"work" But certainly never the thought of it for hours and hours :) Hate to have it stuck From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 19 12:23:51 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:23:51 -0400 Subject: looking for reviewers Message-ID: All right, I said I'd offer a copy of my amazing DVD of psychedelic visuals and music 'Luminations by Stephen Lindsey of General Chaos Visuals and Jamie Todd of URM' to anyone who'd be willing to review it for the list. i think its definitely the kind of thing that people here would like (Its Hawkwind inspired !!) Mr Holmes or Mr Henderson are either of you interested ?? I'll let you two have first say .... Cheers, Steve Lindsey From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 19 14:37:41 2011 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:37:41 -0400 Subject: Off::What do do, where to go In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Next month I will be attending a trade show in Munich and as I have never been to Germany, let alone Europe in general, I was wondering what are the things that I should/shouldn't do with my "copious" spare time (I doubt I will have much if any down time, but you never know). Also, are there any vegan-friendly restaurants, people have tried? "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:00:00 -0400 > From: LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: BOC-L Digest - 14 Apr 2011 to 15 Apr 2011 (#2011-86) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > There are 2 messages totalling 127 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Is this a late April Fool's????? (2) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:59:06 -0400 > From: Paul Mather > Subject: Is this a late April Fool's????? > > Someone posted this link on another music list to which I'm subscribed: > > http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/april/14William_Shatner_Recruits_Ritchie_Blackmore,_Zakk_Wylde,_Michael_Schenker,_Davies_and_Frampton_For_New_Album.shtml > > > Steve Hillage? Manuel G?ttsching? Edgar Froese? > > A cover of Hawkwind's Silver Machine with Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine Appice on drums!?!?!?!??? > > "Titled Searching for Major Tom (it was formerly Seeking Major Tom), the album is due out later this year on Cleopatra Records. > > [[...]] > > Searching for Major Tom tracklist: > 1. "Space Trucking" (Deep Purple) ? Ian Paice on drums and Johnny Winter on guitar > 2. "She Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby) ? Bootsy Collins on bass and Patrick Moraz (Yes) on keyboards > 3. "In a Little While" (U2) ? Manuel Gottsching on guitar > 4. "Empty Glass" (The Tea Party) ? Michael Schenker on guitar > 5. "Lost in the Stars" (Frank Sinatra) ? Ernie Watts on saxophone > 6. "Twilight Zone" (Golden Earring) ? Warren Haynes on guitar > 7. "Space Cowboy" (Steve Miller Band) ? Brad Paisley on guitar and vocals > 8. "Rocket Man" (Elton John) ? Steve Hillage on guitar > 9. "Space Oddity" (David Bowie) ? Ritchie Blackmore on guitar and Alan Parsons on keyboards > 10. "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum) ? Peter Frampton on guitar > 11. "Bohemian Rhapsody" (Queen) ? John Wetton on bass and vocals > 12. "Silver Machine" (Hawkwind) ? Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine Appice on drums > 13. "Major Tom" (Peter Shilling) ? Nick Valensi on guitar, Zakk Wylde on guitar and Mike Inez on bass > 14. "Learning to Fly" (Pink Floyd) ? Edgar Froese on guitar and keyboards > 15. "Mr. Spaceman" (The Byrds) ? Dave Davies on guitar > 16. "Iron Man" (Black Sabbath) ? Zakk Wylde on guitar and vocals > 17. "Planet Earth" (Duran Duran) ? Steve Howe on guitar > 18. "Walking on the Moon" (The Police) ? Toots (of Toots and the Maytals) on vocals > 19. "Mrs. Major Tom" ? female vocalist to be announced" > > > Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke? That line-up is pretty stellar! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Now it's official: Warren Haynes has collaborated with everyone in the known universe! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:19:44 +0100 > From: lucidsound > Subject: Re: Is this a late April Fool's????? > > Having just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hae6PlPYA anything is > possible. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:59 PM > Subject: Is this a late April Fool's????? > > > > Someone posted this link on another music list to which I'm subscribed: > > > > http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/april/14William_Shatner_Recruits_Ritchie_Blackmore,_Zakk_Wylde,_Michael_Schenker,_Davies_and_Frampton_For_New_Album.shtml > > > > > > Steve Hillage? Manuel G?ttsching? Edgar Froese? > > > > A cover of Hawkwind's Silver Machine with Wayne Kramer on guitar and > > Carmine Appice on drums!?!?!?!??? > > > > "Titled Searching for Major Tom (it was formerly Seeking Major Tom), the > > album is due out later this year on Cleopatra Records. > > > > [[...]] > > > > Searching for Major Tom tracklist: > > 1. "Space Trucking" (Deep Purple) ? Ian Paice on drums and Johnny Winter > > on guitar > > 2. "She Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby) ? Bootsy Collins on bass > > and Patrick Moraz (Yes) on keyboards > > 3. "In a Little While" (U2) ? Manuel Gottsching on guitar > > 4. "Empty Glass" (The Tea Party) ? Michael Schenker on guitar > > 5. "Lost in the Stars" (Frank Sinatra) ? Ernie Watts on saxophone > > 6. "Twilight Zone" (Golden Earring) ? Warren Haynes on guitar > > 7. "Space Cowboy" (Steve Miller Band) ? Brad Paisley on guitar and vocals > > 8. "Rocket Man" (Elton John) ? Steve Hillage on guitar > > 9. "Space Oddity" (David Bowie) ? Ritchie Blackmore on guitar and Alan > > Parsons on keyboards > > 10. "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum) ? Peter Frampton on guitar > > 11. "Bohemian Rhapsody" (Queen) ? John Wetton on bass and vocals > > 12. "Silver Machine" (Hawkwind) ? Wayne Kramer on guitar and Carmine > > Appice on drums > > 13. "Major Tom" (Peter Shilling) ? Nick Valensi on guitar, Zakk Wylde on > > guitar and Mike Inez on bass > > 14. "Learning to Fly" (Pink Floyd) ? Edgar Froese on guitar and keyboards > > 15. "Mr. Spaceman" (The Byrds) ? Dave Davies on guitar > > 16. "Iron Man" (Black Sabbath) ? Zakk Wylde on guitar and vocals > > 17. "Planet Earth" (Duran Duran) ? Steve Howe on guitar > > 18. "Walking on the Moon" (The Police) ? Toots (of Toots and the Maytals) > > on vocals > > 19. "Mrs. Major Tom" ? female vocalist to be announced" > > > > > > Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke? That line-up is pretty > > stellar! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > PS: Now it's official: Warren Haynes has collaborated with everyone in the > > known universe! > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 14 Apr 2011 to 15 Apr 2011 (#2011-86) > *********************************************************** From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Tue Apr 19 15:49:12 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Jamun) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:49:12 -0400 Subject: Off::What do do, where to go Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:37:41 -0400, Rus Hall wrote: >Next month I will be attending a trade show in Munich and as I have never been to Germany, let alone Europe in general, I was wondering what are the things that I should/shouldn't do with my "copious" spare time (I doubt I will have much if any down time, but you never know). > >Also, are there any vegan-friendly restaurants, people have tried? > Guess what? I live in Munich, in the city centre. Hence the mun in Jamun. I know the place like the back of my hand and have lived here over ten years. Obviously it depends on how long you are in Munich for? Where is your hotel/trade show? The weather is getting very nice now. It was 24 degrees today, about 75F. In a month or so it could be 30 degrees or 80F. Then again it could rain:( There is alot of things to do and see in the city. In the evenings I would recommend various beer gardens (weather dependent) The most famous and must see is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englischer_Garten Then you must check out the http://www.hofbraeuhaus.de/ The you must see the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsplatz,_Munich http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/tourist_office/sehenswuerdigkeiten/Schloesser/129350/Residenz.html And the town hall, just head to marienplatz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Town_Hall_%28Munich%29 So much to see. If you have a Sunday to spare. Then these things are mind benders. If you have never been to Europe your going to be impressed. You can get coach trips. http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/tourist_office/sehenswuerdigkeiten/Muenchner_Umland/129338/Schloss_Neuschwanstein.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugspitze http://www.wikivoyage.org/de/Chiemsee Well I have traveled alot, and decided to live & work in Munich, because its one of the most wonderful cities in the whole world. If you are up for it, dependent on times dates etc, you could hire a biycycle and I will show you the city center in an afternoon. BTW, Germany is a pretty meat eating country. But there is one of the greatest vegan restaurants here. http://www.prinzmyshkin.com/en From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 19 16:26:33 2011 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:26:33 +0100 Subject: OFF Motorhead Magazine / CD / Picks / Badge Message-ID: Hi all, I picked up a few extra copies today just in case anyone else would like one. In the UK total cost inc P&P would be ?5 as they are wider than the "letterbox" max the post office allow on size. I'm sorry but I got a price to the States and this is rather expensive ?15 (due to weight) equivalent to $25 at exchange rate. If anyone is interested in one of the spares can they contact me off line and I'll pass on my paypal details or address if you wish to send cash (I'm visiting the States later in the year so would accept cash in $ if easier than sending ?15 via paypal). Thanks Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET Wed Apr 20 01:02:12 2011 From: pamwheaton at CABLEONE.NET (pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:02:12 -0600 Subject: looking for reviewers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/19/2011 10:23 AM, Stephen Lindsey wrote: I'll do that for you, I love eye candy!! Pam > > > All right, > > I said I'd offer a copy of my amazing DVD of psychedelic visuals and music 'Luminations by Stephen Lindsey of General Chaos Visuals and Jamie Todd of URM' to anyone who'd be willing to review it for the list. i think its definitely the kind of thing that people here would like (Its Hawkwind inspired !!) > > Mr Holmes or Mr Henderson are either of you interested ?? I'll let you two have first say .... > > Cheers, > Steve Lindsey > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3583 - Release Date: 04/19/11 > From fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 20 05:06:37 2011 From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:06:37 +0100 Subject: looking for reviewers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/04/2011 17:23, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > > All right, > > I said I'd offer a copy of my amazing DVD of psychedelic visuals and music 'Luminations by Stephen Lindsey of General Chaos Visuals and Jamie Todd of URM' to anyone who'd be willing to review it for the list. i think its definitely the kind of thing that people here would like (Its Hawkwind inspired !!) > > Mr Holmes or Mr Henderson are either of you interested ?? I'll let you two have first say .... Sure. I'd love to see it. Cheers Mike -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 20 08:29:05 2011 From: steve.lindsey at HOTMAIL.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:29:05 -0400 Subject: looking for reviewers In-Reply-To: <4DAEA21D.4070404@staffmail.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: OK, Pam & Mike, shoot me your emails to steve.lindsey at hotmail.com and I'll get you a copy ! Steve > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:06:37 +0100 > From: fofp at STAFFMAIL.ED.AC.UK > Subject: Re: looking for reviewers > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 19/04/2011 17:23, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > > > > > All right, > > > > I said I'd offer a copy of my amazing DVD of psychedelic visuals and music 'Luminations by Stephen Lindsey of General Chaos Visuals and Jamie Todd of URM' to anyone who'd be willing to review it for the list. i think its definitely the kind of thing that people here would like (Its Hawkwind inspired !!) > > > > Mr Holmes or Mr Henderson are either of you interested ?? I'll let you two have first say .... > > Sure. I'd love to see it. > > Cheers > > Mike > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 08:33:41 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:33:41 +0100 Subject: (HW) BOTE (my review) In-Reply-To: <5464EE44-9B06-49CB-921A-C9A47F9BCAEA@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 01 Apr 2011, at 04:23 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that >> they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. >> If, by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new >> _Doremi_ next year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because >> only a fraction of their `fanbase' would ever hear it. > > Although I would bet that at least that fraction would be less ambivalent about an album that had Doremi's vibe. Oh, certainly! But that's not the noise they make any more. And in fact, who does make a noise like that? Seriously, I'd like to know. F/i, I suppose, in their own eighties way. The closest I've ever seen was a doom band called Warhorse, who had all the requisite wokka-wokka noises on guitar *and* a bassist with mutton-chop sideburns playing a Rickenbacker, but they broke up before recording the (second) album that would have had that stuff on, which was a crying shame. Kyuss's _Sky Valley_ is a fairly honest homage as well as a fantastic album, and OK there is *a* Kyuss touring but since it is without Josh Homme or indeed Scott Reeder, I fear it cannot be the same and the frankly unrecognisable version of `Gardenia' here: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=148693 does not inspire me with confidence. Wikipedia says there will be a new album this year and you know, I'll buy it if there is, but it won't be _Sky Valley_. Can one define the Doremi vibe, just in terms of technique? I mean obviously one has to actually have some songs too but if you had some songs and wanted to record them like _Doremi_, what would you need? (Apart from terrible microphones, a studio full of rattle and echo and a truckload of drugs, I mean.) Seems to me that the key ingredients are: it's heavy but not distorted, which is not to say no effects obviously but just that a lot of the vocals and treble lines are clean and sound `true', so tune down but sing up (otherwise Farflung would already be providing this album with each release); it's slow, it lurches, even the twelve-string bits are not exactly jigs, so write doom; it's lyrically mantric but artfully arranged (for example, did you ever hear a non-folk band do the trick in `Time We Left...' where the call goes round in four but the answer goes round in three till it meets up again? they didn't even try this live, it would do my head in counting it for sure), so grab a performance poet with old-fashioned ideas for the lyrics; it sounds *distant* in a way that compliments the theme of the lyrics (I don't know how to do this bit), and; it's *continuous*, so that the whole recording (or its two halves) unfold as a whole, whether the tracks are actually run into each other or just linked by electronic interludes. So write with a mind on flow and sequence. (Again, note Kyuss's suites on _Sky Valley_.) None of these are logistically impossible to achieve, or even that expensive surely; it just takes a certain amount of guts and perversity to compose that way, I guess. And, of course, you have to be a good enough musician and composer to do it at all! > Whether it is "really Hawkwind" or not doesn't concern me so much as > whether it's really any good. I agree. On that score I would say that the BotE studio disc is `all right' but probably not `good', and that the live disc is `good' to `very good'. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 16:44:58 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:44:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Steve Pond wrote: > Basically places like MySpace, and now Facebook allow people who would > never have got to grips with FTP, Newsgroups, Gopher, writing their > own HTML, text only mailing lists etc to upload photos & video to the > web, without any technical knowledge whatsoever.. and that sadly is > what drives their momentum, 500 million cat pictures. Not just cat pictures, but well yes. I cannot see mention of the Internet being for cat pictures without plugging this splendid piece of work by an acquaintance of mine which tries to graph this phenomenon. Behold, the Venn Diagram of the Internet: http://gnimmel.livejournal.com/90977.html They now sell this via CafePress for anyone who might be interested: http://www.cafepress.co.uk/gnimmel Yours, Jon ObCD: Magic Muscle - _Gulp!_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 17:17:31 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:17:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011, SUBSCRIBE SATAN!!! wrote: > Of course I like Jamun's enthusiasm for vinyl, and that's a common bond > for us- So anyway, I am not trying to "salt" a "wound" (I swear), but it > appears from hearing my friend tell me about record shops here in Texas > and my local dealer, etc, that "kids" are getting tired of downloads and > many are hungry for a solid piece of plastic like an LP, and vinyl is > selling like crazy here again. My local dealer Randy, who had and > probably still is one of the best shops in Texas, has basically gone > "all vinyl" and runs his show solo now on just vinyl. He does offer some > CDs, but very few. Anyway, I was just wondering how big Farflung is now, > because I recall they managed to get a limited vinyl pressed of that > last one. I think there are two crucial factors here, which are numbers and knowing your market, and these factors may be dissipating now. If I understand things right, the `economy' of vinyl kicks in because getting a commercial press of CDs made is quite expensive below numbers in the mid-to-high hundreds. Of course, in really high numbers the unit costs gets so low that it's negligible once averaged, but the starting cost is quite a large lump. For vinyl, for some reason, this is less the case, and thus you find more people willing to press small runs of vinyl. So if you only expect to shift three hundred or so, say, vinyl might make sense, if you know that your fans will buy it. Obviously if none of your fans have turntables and all listen to stuff on MP3 you are not that band, and if you don't know what they like you may be unwise to gamble. But some bands manage this: ST37 seem to release on vinyl as often as on CD, Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree does limited releases of his side-projects on vinyl and as Mike says, Farflung too. There are probably non-space/kraut- rock bands to whom all this also applies but what would I know about them? The reason I think this may be dissipating is that I have got the idea, I'm not sure from where so maybe it's wrong, that the CD costs have been coming down lately so the disadvantage of small CD runs may be getting less. In that case Mike's Texan speciality outlets may have to change their ways in a while. But I kind of hope not, because I like the idea that if you can only afford a small run you can at least make it an artefact to be proud of. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _2032_ (which is relievingly good but man, doesn't Steve Hillage look like Bill Gates now?) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 18:33:57 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:33:57 +0100 Subject: Help needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Apr 2011, Jamun, www.spacerocktrading.com wrote: > Who is this band? > > It was recorded from 21st June 1978 through midnight to the 22nd June 1978. > Hence it was recorded exactly through the summer solstice of 1978. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPPdmZrsWw > Its not ""Eye to the power of Three". No such band IMO. > > Its also not "Here & Now" as Keith from "Here & Now" has confirmed. > > It is suggested that its a band called Thandoy. > Steve Higgins. (KarmaKanix) Guitar, vocal. > Mike Howlett. (Gong) Bass and switch-doctoring > Steve Cassidy. (Here and Now): Drums, percussion > > The bass guitarist definitely sounds like Mike Howlett from Gong. Also he > was there at the festival as he played at the time with Nik Turner's Sphynx > who performed. It's not much help, because, you know, I wasn't there, but I have seen Mike Howlett play with a band called *House of* Thandoy, who also had Basil Brooks on synths and I would say there's some keyboards there that sound as if they could be him. I agree that the bass is Howlett-like. It must be said that the band I've seen (two years ago now) go a *lot* faster than this, but it's evidently not exactly the same outfit as the the seventies one. Have you tried the Planet Gong forums? I'd have thought somebody there would know if it *is* Thandoy and they may even know what it is if it isn't, if you follow: http://www.planetgong.co.uk/outland/forum/index.php Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jason_gregory at TALK21.COM Thu Apr 21 18:51:39 2011 From: jason_gregory at TALK21.COM (Jamun) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:51:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Krankschaft April Update Message-ID: The irony of todays music business is that it is very easy to make music (home studios) and to market it (myspace, facebook etc). BUT. It is nearly impossible to sell it for real cash. IMO, real cash is in the thousands not hundreds etc. IMO, alot of bands get caught in this trap. They make music, stick it on a web site and offer payment using paypal etc. Then a trickle of orders arrive and the band makes basically nothing. This is especially true in marginal markets such as Space Rock etc. But, there is another market out there and thats the 40-50 year old, with money who is reinventing his/her youth. These are jaded people who dont download music and prefer the sleeve and the feel of vinyl. There is a ton of vinyl shops opening in Munich. I was in my supermarket the other day and a dude (he was 50) walked in with a re-press of Dead Kennedys "Fresh Fruit". I told him it was one of my favorite albums and asked him where he got it from. He said the new vinyl only shop down the road. If I want I can download any band for free off the pirate bay etc, but having a hard drive full of music doesn't cut it for me. From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 22 04:18:51 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:18:51 +0100 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 07 Apr 2011, at 19:15 , Jonathan Smith wrote: >> I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! > ;) The last band I was in did a sort of sludgy rock cover of "Oops! I > Did It Again" as our "irony piece" (using Richard Thompson's acoustic > cover version as a starting point), so I fear I accidentally burned her > into my memory! Pedantry however compels me to point out that your memory has not preserved her name's spelling :-) Obviously I speak on behalf of Asterix's homeland here, not out of any interest in the singer. Yours, Jon ObCD: Pyramids of Snafu - _Alternative Present_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 22 15:37:14 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:37:14 -0500 Subject: krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 Apr 2011, at 03:18 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 07 Apr 2011, at 19:15 , Jonathan Smith wrote: >>> I'd forgotten who Brittany Spears was! >> ;) The last band I was in did a sort of sludgy rock cover of "Oops! I Did It Again" as our "irony piece" (using Richard Thompson's acoustic cover version as a starting point), so I fear I accidentally burned her into my memory! > > Pedantry however compels me to point out that your memory has not preserved her name's spelling :-) Obviously I speak on behalf of Asterix's homeland here, not out of any interest in the singer. Well, oral tradition and the nonphonemic nature of English orthography has betrayed me here, then! On the other hand, the idea of a Neo-Gaulish pop starlet has a certain appeal. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 22 15:41:01 2011 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:41:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Krankschaft April Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Selling anything in sufficient numbers requires serious marketing clout, and very label-less bands will have that. I think, to a great extent, things remain the same: you need to play good shows and have good demos to attract support from the people with the kind of clout who can take you to the next level. However, the next level is not necessarily any more about moving recordings, since that is increasingly difficult to do. I'm thinking (perhaps hoping) it's about selling tix to live performances ... but we'll see if it doesn't turn out to be vending Pepsi instead. On the vinyl front, it will be interesting to see if the resurgence in vinyl outlasts that 50-something generation .... Cheers, Carl On 21 Apr 2011, at 17:51 , Jamun wrote: > The irony of todays music business is that it is very easy to make music > (home studios) and to market it (myspace, facebook etc). BUT. It is nearly > impossible to sell it for real cash. IMO, real cash is in the thousands not > hundreds etc. IMO, alot of bands get caught in this trap. They make music, > stick it on a web site and offer payment using paypal etc. Then a trickle of > orders arrive and the band makes basically nothing. This is especially true > in marginal markets such as Space Rock etc. But, there is another market out > there and thats the 40-50 year old, with money who is reinventing his/her > youth. These are jaded people who dont download music and prefer the sleeve > and the feel of vinyl. There is a ton of vinyl shops opening in Munich. I > was in my supermarket the other day and a dude (he was 50) walked in with a > re-press of Dead Kennedys "Fresh Fruit". I told him it was one of my > favorite albums and asked him where he got it from. He said the new vinyl > only shop down the road. If I want I can download any band for free off the > pirate bay etc, but having a hard drive full of music doesn't cut it for me. > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Apr 23 11:28:55 2011 From: jjarrett at CORIOLIS.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:28:55 +0100 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I know what you man about Google. Gmail is good. I don't write anything that > would interest them or anyone else. All well and good for you, but unless you know that everyone who ever mails you there feels the same way, there's still an issue. Their mail is getting keyworded and indexed too, and Google has no privacy agreement with them. Any one Gmail user is the bait for a whole *load* more advert-profiling data. Yours, Jonathan ObCD: New Order - _Substance_ (lately picked up for a fiver and I'm glad it was no more) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 24 03:58:35 2011 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 03:58:35 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com April 24, 2011: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #262). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #262) Osiris the Rebirth - "Transdimension Flight" (from forthcoming new album Lost) Hills - "Rise Again" (from Master Sleeps) Hills - "Messias" (from Hills) Vibravoid - "Seefeel" (from Minddrugs) Bubbledubble - "Dub Slider" (from Twilight Phenomena) Lunar Dunes - "Ayaz" (from Galaxsea) Astro Al - "The Last Thing You See" (from Random Assorted Strangeness) Peter Frohmader - "Brunnenwelt Nr. 99" (from Highpriest) Nekropolis - untitled (excerpt) (from unreleased jam March 2, 2011) Trigon - "Spacechick Strikes Back" (from 2011) Dreamspirit with Artery - "Civilisation" boom boom dance mix Dreamspirit with Artery - "Nothing Behind Those Eyes-Subway" (the esoteric groove mix) Carlton Melton - "Full Moon Revisited" (from Country Ways) Qumran Orphics - "Live at the Blank Club" (excerpt) (from Carlton Melton / Qumran Orphics split LP) Strange - "Ruler Of The Universe" (from Translucent World) http://Aural-Innovations.com From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 24 09:27:12 2011 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:27:12 +0800 Subject: Using an iPad - was krankshaft format solution found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I take your point. I don't think anyone is 100% happy with Google's policy of hoarding data, but all unencrypted email is rather public. I don't know the the techicalities of it but I belive that all emails end up being copied numerous times onto servers around the world. "Do no evil" is an empthy phrase. I am not too worried about advertising-- I simply ignore it, but obviously others don't! Ironically Google's Schmidt expressed concern about Facebook and suggested that in future people may have to change online identities to protect themselves (I am paraphrasing him). On 23 April 2011 23:28, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Jonathan Smith wrote: > >> I know what you man about Google. Gmail is good. I don't write anything >> that >> would interest them or anyone else. >> > > All well and good for you, but unless you know that everyone who > ever mails you there feels the same way, there's still an issue. Their mail > is getting keyworded and indexed too, and Google has no privacy agreement > with them. Any one Gmail user is the bait for a whole *load* more > advert-profiling data. Yours, > Jonathan > > ObCD: New Order - _Substance_ (lately picked up for a fiver and I'm glad it > was no more) > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 25 15:01:38 2011 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:01:38 -0400 Subject: "Kuss Lives" Message-ID: Beg to differ about Kyuss Lives. No one was more skeptical than me about Kyuss touring without Josh, but all the videos I have seen of them on youtube sound FANTASTIC. If they come to this country I am soooooooo going to see them. And, I think the reason that song you linked sounds pretty shitty for a rendition of Gardenia is because it's *not* Gardenia.... I mean, tell me that there's anything to complain about this version of Gardenia, recorded on the current tour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3zqXy85r4M And I can't stop listening to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3gTQpa-O14 Steve On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Jarrett < jjarrett at coriolis.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 01 Apr 2011, at 04:23 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >>> That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that >>> they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. If, >>> by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new _Doremi_ next >>> year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because only a fraction of >>> their `fanbase' would ever hear it. >>> >> >> Although I would bet that at least that fraction would be less ambivalent >> about an album that had Doremi's vibe. >> > > Oh, certainly! But that's not the noise they make any more. And in > fact, who does make a noise like that? Seriously, I'd like to know. F/i, I > suppose, in their own eighties way. The closest I've ever seen was a doom > band called Warhorse, who had all the requisite wokka-wokka noises on guitar > *and* a bassist with mutton-chop sideburns playing a Rickenbacker, but they > broke up before recording the (second) album that would have had that stuff > on, which was a crying shame. Kyuss's _Sky Valley_ is a fairly honest homage > as well as a fantastic album, and OK there is *a* Kyuss touring but since it > is without Josh Homme or indeed Scott Reeder, I fear it cannot be the same > and the frankly unrecognisable version of `Gardenia' here: > > http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=148693 > does not inspire me with confidence. Wikipedia says there will be a new > album this year and you know, I'll buy it if there is, but it won't be _Sky > Valley_. > > Can one define the Doremi vibe, just in terms of technique? I mean > obviously one has to actually have some songs too but if you had some songs > and wanted to record them like _Doremi_, what would you need? (Apart from > terrible microphones, a studio full of rattle and echo and a truckload of > drugs, I mean.) Seems to me that the key ingredients are: > > it's heavy but not distorted, which is not to say no effects obviously but > just that a lot of the vocals and treble lines are clean and sound `true', > so tune down but sing up (otherwise Farflung would already be providing this > album with each release); > > it's slow, it lurches, even the twelve-string bits are not exactly jigs, so > write doom; > > it's lyrically mantric but artfully arranged (for example, did you ever > hear a non-folk band do the trick in `Time We Left...' where the call goes > round in four but the answer goes round in three till it meets up again? > they didn't even try this live, it would do my head in counting it for > sure), so grab a performance poet with old-fashioned ideas for the lyrics; > > it sounds *distant* in a way that compliments the theme of the lyrics (I > don't know how to do this bit), and; > > it's *continuous*, so that the whole recording (or its two halves) unfold > as a whole, whether the tracks are actually run into each other or just > linked by electronic interludes. So write with a mind on flow and sequence. > (Again, note Kyuss's suites on _Sky Valley_.) > > None of these are logistically impossible to achieve, or even that > expensive surely; it just takes a certain amount of guts and perversity to > compose that way, I guess. And, of course, you have to be a good enough > musician and composer to do it at all! > > > Whether it is "really Hawkwind" or not doesn't concern me so much as >> whether it's really any good. >> > > I agree. On that score I would say that the BotE studio disc is `all > right' but probably not `good', and that the live disc is `good' to `very > good'. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 25 15:04:34 2011 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:04:34 -0400 Subject: "Kuss Lives" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One last point regarding missing members, although I also have the greatest admiration for Scott Reeder, Nick Oliveri is no slouch and was in fact an original member. Steve On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > Beg to differ about Kyuss Lives. No one was more skeptical than me about > Kyuss touring without Josh, but all the videos I have seen of them on > youtube sound FANTASTIC. If they come to this country I am soooooooo going > to see them. > > And, I think the reason that song you linked sounds pretty shitty for a > rendition of Gardenia is because it's *not* Gardenia.... I mean, tell me > that there's anything to complain about this version of Gardenia, recorded > on the current tour: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3zqXy85r4M > > And I can't stop listening to this one: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3gTQpa-O14 > > Steve > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Jarrett < > jjarrett at coriolis.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> On 01 Apr 2011, at 04:23 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >>> >>>> That's not so much that it's bad, though, as much as it's that >>>> they've been going for forty years and most people tuned out after ten. If, >>>> by some chance that I agree is unlikely, they produced a new _Doremi_ next >>>> year, they still wouldn't be remembered for it because only a fraction of >>>> their `fanbase' would ever hear it. >>>> >>> >>> Although I would bet that at least that fraction would be less ambivalent >>> about an album that had Doremi's vibe. >>> >> >> Oh, certainly! But that's not the noise they make any more. And in >> fact, who does make a noise like that? Seriously, I'd like to know. F/i, I >> suppose, in their own eighties way. The closest I've ever seen was a doom >> band called Warhorse, who had all the requisite wokka-wokka noises on guitar >> *and* a bassist with mutton-chop sideburns playing a Rickenbacker, but they >> broke up before recording the (second) album that would have had that stuff >> on, which was a crying shame. Kyuss's _Sky Valley_ is a fairly honest homage >> as well as a fantastic album, and OK there is *a* Kyuss touring but since it >> is without Josh Homme or indeed Scott Reeder, I fear it cannot be the same >> and the frankly unrecognisable version of `Gardenia' here: >> >> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=148693 >> does not inspire me with confidence. Wikipedia says there will be a new >> album this year and you know, I'll buy it if there is, but it won't be _Sky >> Valley_. >> >> Can one define the Doremi vibe, just in terms of technique? I mean >> obviously one has to actually have some songs too but if you had some songs >> and wanted to record them like _Doremi_, what would you need? (Apart from >> terrible microphones, a studio full of rattle and echo and a truckload of >> drugs, I mean.) Seems to me that the key ingredients are: >> >> it's heavy but not distorted, which is not to say no effects obviously but >> just that a lot of the vocals and treble lines are clean and sound `true', >> so tune down but sing up (otherwise Farflung would already be providing this >> album with each release); >> >> it's slow, it lurches, even the twelve-string bits are not exactly jigs, >> so write doom; >> >> it's lyrically mantric but artfully arranged (for example, did you ever >> hear a non-folk band do the trick in `Time We Left...' where the call goes >> round in four but the answer goes round in three till it meets up again? >> they didn't even try this live, it would do my head in counting it for >> sure), so grab a performance poet with old-fashioned ideas for the lyrics; >> >> it sounds *distant* in a way that compliments the theme of the lyrics (I >> don't know how to do this bit), and; >> >> it's *continuous*, so that the whole recording (or its two halves) unfold >> as a whole, whether the tracks are actually run into each other or just >> linked by electronic interludes. So write with a mind on flow and sequence. >> (Again, note Kyuss's suites on _Sky Valley_.) >> >> None of these are logistically impossible to achieve, or even that >> expensive surely; it just takes a certain amount of guts and perversity to >> compose that way, I guess. And, of course, you have to be a good enough >> musician and composer to do it at all! >> >> >> Whether it is "really Hawkwind" or not doesn't concern me so much as >>> whether it's really any good. >>> >> >> I agree. On that score I would say that the BotE studio disc is >> `all right' but probably not `good', and that the live disc is `good' to >> `very good'. Yours, >> Jon >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Jarrett, Oxford jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> ======================================================================= >> "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly >> opposite" >> -Robert Anton Wilson >> > >