From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 1 04:13:37 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:13:37 +0100 Subject: Levitation CD Message-ID: All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some seemed to have done. Are others in the same position before I chase this up? Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 1 04:39:34 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 04:39:34 -0400 Subject: Levitation CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Steve. I contacted Vicky about this yesterday. ?Atomhenge club members will have their copies soon. ?Some were posted yesterday, the rest will go out today. Vicky's delivery was late - she only received them on Tuesday. ?Cherry Red got theirs on Friday, which is why those that ordered from the website got theirs before club members. I'll be waiting to catch it before it hits the floor? Cheers, Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 9:13 Subject: Levitation CD All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some seemed to have done. Are others in the same position before I chase this up? Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Oct 1 09:08:06 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:08:06 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 1, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: AURAL INNOVATIONS SPACE ROCK RADIO I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #224). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #225) Terminal Lovers - "Sacred and the Man" (from As Eyes Burn Clean) Secret Saucer - "Mind Mechanics" (from Tri-Angle Waves) Mother Of All Bands - "Meat Eater" (from Insect Brain) Fell - "Floor Song" (from Incoherent Lullabies) Charles Rice Goff III - "The Ballad Of The Drunken Drummer" (from Diminutive Dispatches) ANT-BEE SET Ant-Bee - "Re-Birth" (from Electronic Church Muzik) Ant-Bee - "Living" (from Electronic Church Muzik) Ant-Bee - "My Cat" (from Pure Electric Honey) Ant-Bee - "By-And-By I Touch The Sky" (from Lunar Muzik) Mambo Mantis - "The Nearness Of Other Worlds" (from Connecting Branches) Friends of Mescalito - "Raised For The Slaughter" (from Nagual Music For Tonal People) Siena Root - "The Road To Agartha: Jog" (from Different Realities) Litter & Leech - "Free" (from Augmented Reality) Little Fyodor - "That Was A Mistake" (from Peace is Boring) VAS DEFERENS ORGANIZATIONS SET Vas Deferens Organization - "Futura Perspective" (from Zyzzybaloubah) Shits and Giggles - "Spellcaster" (from Trick or Treat) Muz - excerpt (from Muz) Sound - "The Screaming Zenith" (from Screaming Zenith) Ash Ra Tempel - Live 1976 (tune in for details) http://Aural-Innovations.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 1 11:59:44 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:59:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Website Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: Dave Hall's message of Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:40:45 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 1 14:02:39 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:02:39 +0100 Subject: Levitations Discs 2 & 3 Message-ID: Surprised this is a triple when discs 2 and 3 totals 78 mins. Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 1 20:56:26 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:56:26 +0800 Subject: Levitation CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm waiting :( I understand they didn't go out as one batch. Jonathan 2009/10/1 Steve Freight > All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. > > I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? > > I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some seemed to > have done. Are others in the same position before I chase this up? > > Steve > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > > Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here > > http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de > Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 > to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything > else Charlie) > Terry Thomas Podcast > http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml > From colum26 at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Oct 1 21:32:10 2009 From: colum26 at NTLWORLD.COM (C. McWilliams) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 02:32:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation 3CD set Message-ID: Whats the sound quality like on the live cd's? thanks colm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Levitation 3CD set > Hi Steve, > > Its rather lovely...... > > 3 CD's, with a few postcards a 30 odd page booklet that has the 1980 > program in it and a 7 page essay from our very own Brian Tawn ( not read > yet as listening to album whilst working),? > > Each CD is in its own printed cardboard sleeve, and the whole lot is in a > hard cardboard case, the type that reel to reel tapes used to be packed in > (for those old enough to remember them).. > > iain > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:39 > Subject: Re: HW: Levitation 3CD set > > > > > > > > > > > Not received mine yet. > > What's the packaging like?? Plastic box or digi? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iainferguson at AOL.COM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:20 > Subject: HW: Levitation 3CD set > > > > > Ohhh this arrived today.... > > dived straight into the Live at lewisham odeon 1980.. > > My God,? Huw's playing is phenomenal....Don't think I have heard a better > recording of Huw EVER !!!!!!!!!! > > Really takes me back to those days when Huw was always in his dennis the > menace > red & black top, skinny jeans & big daps ( trainers).. > ? > Brilliant..... > Hi Steve, > > > > > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 2 13:57:42 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:57:42 +0100 Subject: JUDGE TREV JOINS PINK FAIRIES SHOCK...Nik Turner furious In-Reply-To: <39dabad60910011756m4a5b37c1r6fc612b063ba9659@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes folks, the legendary young, talented and debonair axe man from Inner City Unit is really in demand these days. He will be joining Mick Farren and some of the Pink Fairies on stage at Micks first UK gig in many years at the Real Music Club, Brighton Sat 3rd Oct. Farren flew in from New York on Wednesday with plans to move back to the UK http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html Open 8 til late ?6/?5 Get there early or you won't get in Discover the Green Music Festivals REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Smith" Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:56 AM To: Subject: Re: Levitation CD > I'm waiting :( I understand they didn't go out as one batch. > Jonathan > > 2009/10/1 Steve Freight > >> All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. >> >> I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? >> >> I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some seemed to >> have done. Are others in the same position before I chase this up? >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >> >> Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here >> >> http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de >> Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 >> to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything >> else Charlie) >> Terry Thomas Podcast >> http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Oct 2 15:24:46 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:24:46 -0400 Subject: JUDGE TREV JOINS PINK FAIRIES SHOCK...Nik Turner furious In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds great, and the energy is going a positive direction. I hope everyone hasa happy healthy high, and of course green time. Crank it up, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of trev Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:58 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: JUDGE TREV JOINS PINK FAIRIES SHOCK...Nik Turner furious Yes folks, the legendary young, talented and debonair axe man from Inner City Unit is really in demand these days. He will be joining Mick Farren and some of the Pink Fairies on stage at Micks first UK gig in many years at the Real Music Club, Brighton Sat 3rd Oct. Farren flew in from New York on Wednesday with plans to move back to the UK http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html Open 8 til late ?6/?5 Get there early or you won't get in Discover the Green Music Festivals REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Smith" Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:56 AM To: Subject: Re: Levitation CD > I'm waiting :( I understand they didn't go out as one batch. Jonathan > > 2009/10/1 Steve Freight > >> All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. >> >> I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? >> >> I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some >> seemed to have done. Are others in the same position before I chase >> this up? >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >> >> Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here >> >> http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=060438833 >> 4629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de >> Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 >> to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything >> else Charlie) >> Terry Thomas Podcast >> http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml >> > From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 2 18:24:34 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:24:34 -0400 Subject: Huw... Message-ID: Bad news I'm afraid. This is copied from Hawkwinds blog... Sadly we need to tell you all that Huw is very ill at the moment due to his kidneys failing. This is as a result of a recent bout of food poisoning, the doctors are working to find out more and in the meantime he has been put on dialysis at The Dorset County Hospital. ? ?Please send all your thoughts, prayers and good vibes to Huw and Marion to get them through this. ? ?If you would like to send a card, please send it to :- ? ?Huw Lloyd Langton ?Prince of Wales Ward ?Dorset County Hospital ?Williams Avenue ?Dorchester ?Dorset DT1 2JY ? ?We will update you of any news as soon as we hear it. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 3 12:22:46 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:22:46 -0700 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <278978.81065.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telok_Blangah and I quote: "Blanga is a cooking pot made of clay used by the southern Indians." Who's willing to volunteer to enter in a *real* definition and etymology (onomatopeoia-based, right?) of Blanga from our standpoint? Carl, I nominate you. :) BTW, what's the ratio of people who rhyme blanga with "bang" vs. "blonde." Count me in the latter category, but as long as it carries that "2/4 feel within a 4/4 beat," what difference does it make what the vowel sound is? Grakkl (State College PA) P.S. I just discovered some free MP3s at mp3.com (yes, it still exists) by a guy named Mike Wingate (www.myspace.com/acidguitarking), who turns out to be from NE Philadelphia (where I once lived in the 80s). Cool acid guitar stuff...calls himself AcidGuitarKing solo, but also fronts other groups including the Black T-shirt Gang. Just noticed that Jerry K. at Aural Innovations wrote about him back in 2003, so I am somewhat embarrassed to say that I hadn't heard of him before. Anybody else familiar with his stuff? Is he still going these days...I'm in the area again for awhile and could potentially see him play live at some point. ObCD: F/i - Blanga From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 12:52:49 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:52:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <800531.79231.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah I pronounce the first A as in Ankh ("Ahhh") and the last one short ("Uh"). I'd defer to Carl though, as he's the one who introduced me to it. I think he even gave an explanation of where he got it from, but I've long since lost that info. :) Btw, intro'ed the word Blanga to the Yahoo Hawkwind group, and Paul Eaton-Jones (the one person who seems likely to beat even me and Carl in the informal "making up metaphors for Hawkwind's awesome heaviness" competition) seems to have adopted it... ;-) Eaton-Jones on how heavy Angels of Death was: "A herd of buffalo stampeding down an oak staircase." I felt outdone on that one! ;-) Steve On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Keith Henderson wrote: > From Wikipedia: > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telok_Blangah > > and I quote: > "Blanga is a cooking pot made of clay used by the southern Indians." > > Who's willing to volunteer to enter in a *real* definition and etymology (onomatopeoia-based, right?) of Blanga from our standpoint? ?Carl, I nominate you. :) > > BTW, what's the ratio of people who rhyme blanga with "bang" vs. "blonde." ?Count me in the latter category, but as long as it carries that "2/4 feel within a 4/4 beat," what difference does it make what the vowel sound is? > > Grakkl (State College PA) > > P.S. ?I just discovered some free MP3s at mp3.com (yes, it still exists) by a guy named Mike Wingate (www.myspace.com/acidguitarking), who turns out to be from NE Philadelphia (where I once lived in the 80s). ?Cool acid guitar stuff...calls himself AcidGuitarKing solo, but also fronts other groups including the Black T-shirt Gang. ?Just noticed that Jerry K. at Aural Innovations wrote about him back in 2003, so I am somewhat embarrassed to say that I hadn't heard of him before. ?Anybody else familiar with his stuff? ?Is he still going these days...I'm in the area again for awhile and could potentially see him play live at some point. > > ObCD: F/i - Blanga > > > > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 13:00:16 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:00:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <800531.79231.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Keith Henderson wrote: > > ObCD: F/i - Blanga Btw, thanks for that obCD, I'd somehow never heard of these guys before...! I just Napstered them and am now listening to Uber-Wizards of the 88th Meridian. Awesome! (It also seems to me that one of my current favorite bands The Assemble Head in Sunburst Sound owes a lot to these guys... possibly more to these guys than even to Hawkwind). Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 14:03:49 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:03:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <919e368d0910031000l5dd22bcbw3a2d7f9bd3730777@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh this is so weird. I was considering an apology to Steve for my making fun of the word (over the years) and not taking to it (over the years). I also did not know Steve at all and that he coined it. I have also come upon that cooking pot definition myself!!! but now, if F/I has borrowed your term Steve, you've hit paydirt for sure. I was always fond of the "out of space and time" LP, whch I think may have recently hit CD, not positive. try that one!!! ps-I always heard it with an "ahh" On 10/3/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Keith Henderson > wrote: > > > > ObCD: F/i - Blanga > > Btw, thanks for that obCD, I'd somehow never heard of these guys > before...! I just Napstered them and am now listening to Uber-Wizards > of the 88th Meridian. Awesome! > > (It also seems to me that one of my current favorite bands The > Assemble Head in Sunburst Sound owes a lot to these guys... possibly > more to these guys than even to Hawkwind). > > Steve > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 14:30:30 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:30:30 -0500 Subject: Huw... In-Reply-To: <8CC11C64106C675-11B8-12B31@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I cried and I may cry more. please send enough collective energy to pull him through. not ready for Huw to pass, music or not. On 10/2/09, stevepxr5 at aol.com wrote: > > Bad news I'm afraid. > > This is copied from Hawkwinds blog... > > > > Sadly we need to tell you all that Huw is very ill at the moment due to his > kidneys failing. This is as a result of a recent bout of food poisoning, the > doctors are working to find out more and in the meantime he has been put on > dialysis at The Dorset County Hospital. > ? > ?Please send all your thoughts, prayers and good vibes to Huw and Marion to > get them through this. > ? > ?If you would like to send a card, please send it to :- > ? > ?Huw Lloyd Langton > ?Prince of Wales Ward > ?Dorset County Hospital > ?Williams Avenue > ?Dorchester > ?Dorset DT1 2JY > ? > ?We will update you of any news as soon as we hear it. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Oct 3 14:41:16 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:41:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910031103q26a7b30bla3fa3b06817459f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:03:49 -0500, you sent through the ether: > I also did not know Steve >at all and that he coined it. The term "Blanga" was invented by J Eric Smith in his comprehensive reviews of all the HW releases up until about 1994... http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ -S. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 14:48:21 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:48:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <6j6fc5p4odu2kqgi7g6e00dmc1d8ag48nn@4ax.com> Message-ID: Oh well thanks then, as I wasn't going to ask Nik's infuriator (is it really _THAT_ lucrative?), to remove my reviews of Revolution and Rebllion (I think that's it) from his site anyway...(if he hasn't already) on a personal note, steve (P), I couldn' watch the robot movie as my computer couldn't cope......the same problems as always your simply too adavanced for me On 10/3/09, Steve Pond wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:03:49 -0500, you sent through the ether: > > > I also did not know Steve > >at all and that he coined it. > > > The term "Blanga" was invented by J Eric Smith in his comprehensive > reviews of all the HW releases up until about 1994... > > http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ > > > -S. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 14:54:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:54:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910031148t69e4606an7facb2c2a5844424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: sorry another. I do see now that Carl is to blame, rather than Steve. as well as the original perpetrater. Can I mention there is a guy in the UK that has around 40 UK versions of the Warrior LP?? due to varying copyrights, matrixes, sleeve differences. with Hawkwind it's "how insane would you like to collect?" On 10/3/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Oh well thanks then, as I wasn't going to ask Nik's infuriator (is it > really _THAT_ lucrative?), to remove my reviews of Revolution and Rebllion > (I think that's it) from his site anyway...(if he hasn't already) > on a personal note, steve (P), I couldn' watch the robot movie as my > computer couldn't cope......the same problems as always > your simply too adavanced for me > > > On 10/3/09, Steve Pond wrote: >> >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:03:49 -0500, you sent through the ether: >> >> > I also did not know Steve >> >at all and that he coined it. >> >> >> The term "Blanga" was invented by J Eric Smith in his comprehensive >> reviews of all the HW releases up until about 1994... >> >> http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ >> >> >> -S. >> > > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Oct 3 15:00:38 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:00:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910031148t69e4606an7facb2c2a5844424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:48:21 -0500, you sent through the ether: >steve (P), I couldn' watch the robot movie as my >computer couldn't cope...... It's only a flash movie.. Just how slow is your computer? it pays on my slowest one (900Mhz laptop) and my phone! From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 15:10:29 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:10:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/3/09, Steve Pond wrote: > > > It's only a flash movie.. Just how slow is your computer? it pays on > my slowest one (900Mhz laptop) and my phone! > it's a Dell "Dimension v350" with windows 98 SE, and I have had nobody locally to help me at all, and when I try to get people online to help it turns maddening. using IE 7? not sure yes, I'm an idiot in this respect From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 3 18:04:02 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:04:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ...(F/I correction, sorry) Message-ID: correction to my F/I reference.....I meant the 'Paradise Out Here" album..... On 10/3/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 10/3/09, Steve Pond wrote: >> >> >> It's only a flash movie.. Just how slow is your computer? it pays on >> my slowest one (900Mhz laptop) and my phone! >> > it's a Dell "Dimension v350" with windows 98 SE, and I have had nobody > locally to help me at all, and when I try to get people online to help it > turns maddening. > using IE 7? not sure > yes, I'm an idiot in this respect > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Oct 3 18:23:31 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:23:31 -0400 Subject: Huw... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910031130h6ff5336bpd1f2c761e8c67503@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I hope Huw's health improves soon. I deeply sympathize. From what everyone has said of Huw he's a really kind soul. I wish him all the best. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:31 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Huw... I cried and I may cry more. please send enough collective energy to pull him through. not ready for Huw to pass, music or not. On 10/2/09, stevepxr5 at aol.com wrote: > > Bad news I'm afraid. > > This is copied from Hawkwinds blog... > > > > Sadly we need to tell you all that Huw is very ill at the moment due > to his kidneys failing. This is as a result of a recent bout of food > poisoning, the doctors are working to find out more and in the > meantime he has been put on dialysis at The Dorset County Hospital. ? > ?Please send all your thoughts, prayers and good vibes to Huw and Marion to > get them through this. > ? > ?If you would like to send a card, please send it to :- > ? > ?Huw Lloyd Langton > ?Prince of Wales Ward > ?Dorset County Hospital > ?Williams Avenue > ?Dorchester > ?Dorset DT1 2JY > ? > ?We will update you of any news as soon as we hear it. > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 5 04:34:18 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:34:18 +0100 Subject: Levitation - Amazon Message-ID: Guy at work ordered this a while back on Amazon at ?19.99. Imagine his surprise (and mine) when he received his 3 CD copy and invoiced at ?13.98. Must be their price promise I suppose but it is surprising they can get so cheap. Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Oct 5 04:57:51 2009 From: Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:57:51 +0100 Subject: Off: I beg to differ Message-ID: Hi, Steve Pond might have said something akin to: >The term "Blanga" was invented by J Eric Smith in his comprehensive >reviews of all the HW releases up until about 1994...http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ Sorry but referring to this site http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ for a definition only opens up a whole new can of worms - like, for one, what are 'squonks' when they are not: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Squonks&ei=nrPJSsPZHMK04QbDzNDHAQ&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title and I refer you to a quick Google search "Your search - define seigbeat - did not match any documents. " It's like trying to read Frank Herbert's Dune! cheers Maxine From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 5 08:12:06 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:12:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <6j6fc5p4odu2kqgi7g6e00dmc1d8ag48nn@4ax.com> Message-ID: On 03 Oct 2009, at 13:41, Steve Pond wrote: > The term "Blanga" was invented by J Eric Smith in his comprehensive > reviews of all the HW releases up until about 1994... Yup, that's right! (At least, I'm sure that's where myself and most other list members first saw it!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 5 08:15:52 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:15:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <919e368d0910030952u632eddf7g2639a928a84b86e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03 Oct 2009, at 11:52, Steve Swann wrote: > Yeah I pronounce the first A as in Ankh ("Ahhh") and the last one > short ("Uh"). My pronunciation matches Steve's, but then I also feel like the precise vowel quality should be allowed a full range of dialect variation -- much like the sweep of the wah pedal. :) So here, a rhyme with "bang" does no more than cock the foot at a different angle on the rocker pedal than does a rhyme with "ankh". :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 5 09:23:17 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:23:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... Message-ID: Blanga rhymed with bang sounds like how they might do it down south, served with grits. :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Monday, Oct 5, 2009 8:18 am Subject: Re: OFF: I beg to differ... To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 03 Oct 2009, at 11:52, Steve Swann wrote: Yeah I pronounce the first A as in Ankh ("Ahhh") and the last one short ("Uh"). My pronunciation matches Steve's, but then I also feel like the precise vowel quality should be allowed a full range of dialect variation -- much like the sweep of the wah pedal. :) So here, a rhyme with "bang" does no more than cock the foot at a different angle on the rocker pedal than does a rhyme with "ankh". :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jt_ at COX.NET Mon Oct 5 17:13:35 2009 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:13:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: in Kansas City, MO In-Reply-To: <3337579396.3341004@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: What a show! Things off to a rocky start. There was some drunk guy in the audience who kept yelling "Where's Allen?" and "Play Sun Jester', you jerks!" Finally the guy climbed up on stage, and Eric went all Pete Townsend on him and whaled him with a guitar. A riot broke out, and ... ... Just kidding! It was a good show. Other than the fact that the sound sucked. I got in the second row, which was amazing compared to the other times I've seen them. So apparently the deal is, these casinos hire the bands, but limit the time they can play, hoping that we'll go dump some money into the slots afterwards. So you're going to get a set that is an hour long, or an hour and a half, and that's it. The crowd can sit and clap and yell 'encore' all they want ... too bad. Lights go up and the sound gear starts getting dismantled. So, BOC got an hour and a half. As has been recently reported, they played a Buck-heavy set list. I was beyond thrilled to hear stuff I've never seen them play live. Shooting Shark, The Vigil, Before the Kiss, Last Days of May, even Stone Of Love. All they would have had to do is play I Love The Night and my life would have been complete, go ahead and bury me, but, nope. 11 songs. If I remember the order correctly: The Red and the Black Before the Kiss Burning For You Last Days of May Shooting Shark The Vigil (good lord, is that 5 Donald songs in a row?) Cities On Flame Stone of Love ME 262 Godzilla Some random buck-boogie kind of thing, too short to be called a song Don't Fear the Reaper 3 Eric songs, 8 Buck? Good lord, Eric's throat must be screwed. Still, Eric did all the patter, stories and jokes, and acted like he was having a great time. At one point getting up with the drums and banging on the cymbals, bouncing drumsticks off the floor, .. I'm surprised they didn't have a cowbell for him to whack. He really is a part of the live chemistry. Eric sat behind the keyboards a lot, giving Richie Castallano lots of guitar time. I don't remember which song Richie got to solo on, but he was good. The bass player Rudy Sarzo is a hoot. He's the only one who looks like a rock n roller with hair down to his whatever. The rest of the guys look like software engineers nowadays. They played clips of "Crazy Train," "Bang Your Head," and "The Still of the Night" during Godzilla to give props to Rudy's other bands he's done time with. Buck looked BORED. Is he always expressionless? The rest of the guys move around the stage, look at each other to play in sync, while Buck is emotionless. I've never sat close enough before to really see the expressions and the interaction, but I can see why someone else on the list said it looked like Buck was in a bad mood. He certainly wasn't making an effort to emote having an infectious good time. The sound was horrible, particularly to begin with. I don't think it was (entirely) the band's fault. Richie kept gesturing frantically to the guys at the mixers, who I assume were casino guys, to boost the guitars. The bass and drums were miked very well. Cymbals were great, so it wasn't just that they didn't have the treble frequencies up. But the vocals were too low. You couldn't even hear the keyboards. As the night went on, they brought the vocals up to where you could hear them, and maybe I got deaf to the bass frequencies enough so that the guitars sounded ok, but it never sounded great. The crowd sung along to "Burning for You" which was cool. More so than their other 'big two' songs. I didn't mind the solos during Godzilla. Give the new guys their time. People enjoyed it. Well, until Eric said "ok, here's the time where Buck comes back in, but his guitar isn't working" and sound guys were scampering over the stage checking his wireless transmitter, cables, etc. The other guys vamped a groove for a few minutes until Buck was brought back online. Anyway. Songs I never thought I'd see done, like Vigil and Shooting Shark. I had a great time despite the sound. Hung out and almost snuck in with the VIP crowd who were talking to Eric (why not Buck?) in the hallway before I finally got told by an employee to go away. I'm glad I made the trip. (14 hour round trip, because I'm missing their gigs in Oklahoma.) Oh, and a message to the guy who yells out "REAPER! DON'T FEAR THE REAPER!" between every song? Shut up. They'll get to it, ass-hat. -- Jeff From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Mon Oct 5 18:16:44 2009 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:16:44 -0600 Subject: in Kansas City, MO In-Reply-To: <4ACA617F.3090201@cox.net> Message-ID: > Things off to a rocky start. There was some drunk guy in the audience who > kept yelling "Where's Allen?" and "Play Sun Jester', you > jerks!" Finally the guy climbed up on stage, and Eric went all > Pete Townsend on him and whaled him with a guitar. A riot > broke out, and ... John Swartz was there? :) Great review, Jeff. I've enjoyed BOC live from 1975 to 2000 whatever. Yeah, it's not the original guys and we will probably never see that again, but how cool it is that Eric and Buck keep it going. As long as they are not embarrassing themselves, I say "more power to them". Who knows how much longer they can keep it going. I hope I'm still rocking when I'm their age. Yeah, Buck is rarely animated and I'm sure not every gig is a shining moment. He is still one of the best out there. > Oh, and a message to the guy who yells out "REAPER! DON'T FEAR THE > REAPER!" between every song? Shut up. They'll get to it, ass-hat. There is always one at every gig. At least he wasn't yelling "Freebird"! Brad, in Utah Oh yeah, sorry about busting your balls, John, but I know as a fellow bass player and super cool dude, you can take it From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 6 09:04:52 2009 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:04:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: in Kansas City, MO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No problem - I thought it was funny! John > >> Things off to a rocky start. There was some drunk guy in the audience who >> kept yelling "Where's Allen?" and "Play Sun Jester', you >> jerks!" Finally the guy climbed up on stage, and Eric went all >> Pete Townsend on him and whaled him with a guitar. A riot >> broke out, and ... > > John Swartz was there? :) > > Great review, Jeff. > > I've enjoyed BOC live from 1975 to 2000 whatever. Yeah, it's not the > original guys and we will probably never see that again, but how cool it is > that Eric and Buck keep it going. As long as they are not embarrassing > themselves, I say "more power to them". Who knows how much longer they can > keep it going. I hope I'm still rocking when I'm their age. > > Yeah, Buck is rarely animated and I'm sure not every gig is a shining > moment. He is still one of the best out there. > >> Oh, and a message to the guy who yells out "REAPER! DON'T FEAR THE >> REAPER!" between every song? Shut up. They'll get to it, ass-hat. > > There is always one at every gig. At least he wasn't yelling "Freebird"! > > Brad, in Utah > > Oh yeah, sorry about busting your balls, John, but I know as a fellow bass > player and super cool dude, you can take it From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 6 17:21:48 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:21:48 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren and the Deviants - Real Music Cub, Brighton In-Reply-To: <72FF5DCCA30B43738EA435FF9DC8FEF0@feeleyq0nl12xq> Message-ID: The gig was, of course, a sell-out. Mick Farren was in superb form, his aura shone, his libido suffused the enraptured Real Music Clubbers who vociferously displayed their appreciation of the legendary rock and literary master. On stage with Mick were original Deviants, Duncan Sanderson, and Russel Hunter, with Inner City Unit's social revolutionary axeman Judge Trev, street busker slide guitarist Slim Tim Slide, and Paradise 9's Greg Mckella. There is a strong possibility that Farren might relaunch a major Deviants campaign next spring, based in the UK and featuring some of the new line-up. Whatever the future brings, it seems clear that the messages of human awareness, self determination and social freedom that are the Deviants traditional stock-in-trade will make more than just ripples in our 21st Century "Big brother" reality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deviants_(band)#History Discover the Green Music Festivals REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "mary" Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:24 PM To: Subject: Re: JUDGE TREV JOINS PINK FAIRIES SHOCK...Nik Turner furious > Sounds great, and the energy is going a positive direction. I hope everyone > hasa happy healthy high, and of course green time. > > Crank it up, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of trev > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:58 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: JUDGE TREV JOINS PINK FAIRIES SHOCK...Nik Turner furious > > > Yes folks, the legendary young, talented and debonair axe man from Inner > City Unit is really in demand these days. He will be joining Mick Farren and > some of the Pink Fairies on stage at Micks first UK gig in many years at the > Real Music Club, Brighton Sat 3rd Oct. Farren flew in from New York on > Wednesday with plans to move back to the UK > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html > > Open 8 til late > > ?6/?5 > > Get there early or you won't get in > > Discover the Green Music Festivals > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, > News, Healers > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Smith" > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:56 AM > To: > Subject: Re: Levitation CD > >> I'm waiting :( I understand they didn't go out as one batch. Jonathan >> >> 2009/10/1 Steve Freight >> >>> All seems to have gone quiet on discussions around this. >>> >>> I still have not received my copy - are others still waiting? >>> >>> I also did not receive a mail stating it had been sent like some >>> seemed to have done. Are others in the same position before I chase >>> this up? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -- >>> View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree >>> >>> Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here >>> >>> http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=060438833 >>> 4629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de >>> Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here >>> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 >>> to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and > anything >>> else Charlie) >>> Terry Thomas Podcast >>> http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml >>> >> > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Oct 7 08:29:12 2009 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Mike Godwin) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:29:12 +0100 Subject: Deviants Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:21:48 +0100 From: trev Subject: Mick Farren and the Deviants - Real Music Cub, Brighton The gig was, of course, a sell-out. Mick Farren was in superb form, his = aura shone, his libido suffused the enraptured Real Music Clubbers who = vociferously displayed their appreciation of the legendary rock and = literary master. On stage with Mick were original Deviants, Duncan Sanderson, and Russel = Hunter, with Inner City Unit's social revolutionary axeman Judge Trev, = street busker slide guitarist Slim Tim Slide, and Paradise 9's Greg = Mckella. There is a strong possibility that Farren might relaunch a major = Deviants campaign next spring, based in the UK and featuring some of = the new line-up.=20 Whatever the future brings, it seems clear that the messages of human = awareness, self determination and social freedom that are the Deviants = traditional stock-in-trade will make more than just ripples in our 21st = Century "Big brother" reality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deviants_(band)#History=20 Discover the Green Music Festivals REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk =20 Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video = Downloads, News, Healers * Just found a flier for a gig with Bonzo Dog Doodah band headlining over The Nice and Junior's Eyes, and on the back it advertises two LPs: Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Social Deviants! What year would that have been, with Viv Stanshall bigger than Keith Emerson? - Mike Godwin From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 9 08:01:54 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:01:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Them Crooked Vultures Message-ID: Anybody heard of these guys? It's a pretty crazy assemblage of talent: Guitar: Josh Homme Bass: John Paul Jones Drums: Dave Grohl (there's another guitarist I don't recognize who's on tour with them) They're playing the Roseland Ballroom in NYC next Thurs as part of their first US tour (they did one of the UK in August I think). No albums yet. Almost no promotion either, just a couple really bad fan-shot video clips on some European video sites. http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/3493/them-crooked-vultures-dead-end-live Steve From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Oct 9 08:53:38 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:53:38 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: Sonic World Festival Special Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 9, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: AURAL INNOVATIONS SPACE ROCK RADIO I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #226). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NOTE: Aural Innovations writers contributed a batch of new reviews and summer festival coverage. Check it all out at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/2009/october/oct2009.htm Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio: SONIC WORLD FESTIVAL 2009 SPECIAL (show #226) YES..... I know the Sonic World Festival was cancelled this year!! The 2008 festival was enough of a success that a second festival was planned for September 4-5, in Derbyshire, UK. But ticket sales were far too low for the diehard labor-of-love organizers to forge ahead and risk taking a financial bath. After trading some emails with festival organizer Jane Morrison, we agreed that the scheduled bands are all great and deserve exposure. Hence, the festival-that-almost-was show you are about to hear. Enjoy!! Visit the Sonic World Festival web site at http://www.myspace.com/sonicworldfestivals Harvey Bainbridge - "Under New York" (unreleased) Tantric Temple - "Prasara Triflow Mix" Andrew Prince - "Born To Fly" (from forthcoming Band of Rain) The Non-Existent - "Space Roc" (unreleased) Livin in a Valvestate - Lock n Load (from Smile Now, Cry Later EP) Modulator ESP - "Summer_Solstice 6-21-09" Loscoe State Opera - "Hidden Beauty/La Ride" (from Dawn Bird) Whimwise - "Looking And Learning" (yet to be released) Paradise 9 - "Crystalized Moments" (from Nothing For Tomorrow) Sendelica - "The Funky Soul of the Tripping Apes" (unreleased) Tantric Temple - "Water Of Life" Loscoe State Opera - "The Recruiting Sergeant" (from All Begins Again) Andrew Prince - "Waiting For Sunrise" (from forthcoming Band of Rain) Livin in a Valvestate - Smile Now, Cry Later (from Smile Now, Cry Later EP) Hashtronaut - - "Church of Lambda - Lambda Ritual" (from The Lambda Variant) http://Aural-Innovations.com From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Fri Oct 9 12:22:08 2009 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:22:08 +0100 Subject: Them Crooked Vultures Message-ID: Dave Grohl and Josh Homme apparently get on well, so it's not surprising to see them collaborating again. I don't know how John Paul Jones got involved. I'd go and see them if I could, but in the UK the dates sold out in minutes! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: 09 October 2009 13:02 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Them Crooked Vultures Anybody heard of these guys? It's a pretty crazy assemblage of talent: Guitar: Josh Homme Bass: John Paul Jones Drums: Dave Grohl (there's another guitarist I don't recognize who's on tour with them) They're playing the Roseland Ballroom in NYC next Thurs as part of their first US tour (they did one of the UK in August I think). No albums yet. Almost no promotion either, just a couple really bad fan-shot video clips on some European video sites. http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/3493/them-crooked-vultures-dead-end-live Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 9 14:28:58 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:28:58 -0700 Subject: Them Crooked Vultures Message-ID: Yeah, I really regret missing the Songs for the Deaf tour. Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Rennie Date: Friday, Oct 9, 2009 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Them Crooked Vultures To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Dave Grohl and Josh Homme apparently get on well, so it's not surprising to see them collaborating again. I don't know how John Paul Jones got involved. I'd go and see them if I could, but in the UK the dates sold out in minutes! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: 09 October 2009 13:02 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Them Crooked Vultures Anybody heard of these guys? It's a pretty crazy assemblage of talent: Guitar: Josh Homme Bass: John Paul Jones Drums: Dave Grohl (there's another guitarist I don't recognize who's on tour with them) They're playing the Roseland Ballroom in NYC next Thurs as part of their first US tour (they did one of the UK in August I think). No albums yet. Almost no promotion either, just a couple really bad fan-shot video clips on some European video sites. http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/3493/them-crooked-vultures-dead-end-live Steve From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 10 00:07:07 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:07:07 +0100 Subject: Inner City Unit's Judge Trev on Utube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Judge Trev, social revolutionary and Deviant, shunned and solitary folk singer, has his latest composition (from Live at the Cosmic Puffin, available here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html#cosmic-puffin ), on video, for your enjoyment. It's political you know... "The Lost Battle Between Democracy And Capitalism" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3y-UOykx4 Judge Trev Myspace http://www.myspace.com/judgetrev Trev and Kev Myspace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev Discover the Green Music Festivals REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 10 23:13:24 2009 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:13:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mohegan Sun Setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Red and the Black Before the Kiss, A Redcap Burning for You Cities on Flame Shooting Shark The Vigil ME-262 Stone of Love!!! Black Blade Last Days of May Godzilla Reaper Buck is sporting a beard and looks more like Joe Bouchard now. "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 12 13:07:03 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:07:03 +0100 Subject: Inner City Unit's Judge Trev on Utube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:07 AM To: Subject: Inner City Unit's Judge Trev on Utube > Judge Trev, social revolutionary and Deviant, shunned and solitary folk > singer, has his latest composition (from Live at the Cosmic Puffin, > available here > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html#cosmic-puffin ), on video, > for your enjoyment. It's political you know... > > "The Lost Battle Between Democracy And Capitalism" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3y-UOykx4 > > > > Judge Trev Myspace > > http://www.myspace.com/judgetrev > > > > Trev and Kev Myspace > > http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev > > > > Discover the Green Music Festivals > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 12 14:07:03 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:07:03 +0100 Subject: Inner City Unit's Judge Trev on Utube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And he's also a Johnny Cash tribute band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVPRfUV5cE See Trev and Kev Live at the Fawcett Sat 17th Oct Fawcett Road, Southsea, Portsmouth UK -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:07 AM To: Subject: Inner City Unit's Judge Trev on Utube > Judge Trev, social revolutionary and Deviant, shunned and solitary folk singer, has his latest composition (from Live at the Cosmic Puffin, available here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html#cosmic-puffin ), on video, for your enjoyment. It's political you know... > > "The Lost Battle Between Democracy And Capitalism" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3y-UOykx4 > > > > Judge Trev Myspace > > http://www.myspace.com/judgetrev > > > > Trev and Kev Myspace > > http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev > > > > Discover the Green Music Festivals > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers > From jt_ at COX.NET Tue Oct 13 02:28:07 2009 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:28:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mohegan Sun Setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same set list as in Kansas City, slightly reordered .. but with the addition of Black Blade. I am so jealous! Rus Hall wrote: > The Red and the Black > > Before the Kiss, A Redcap > > Burning for You > > Cities on Flame > > Shooting Shark > > The Vigil > > ME-262 > > Stone of Love!!! > > Black Blade > > Last Days of May > > Godzilla > > Reaper > > > > Buck is sporting a beard and looks more like Joe Bouchard now. > > > "Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them, you are a mile away, and they have no shoes." -- Jack Handey "The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." -- Paula Poundstone"If I can make just one person laugh, I am already doing better than Tony Danza." -- Emo PhillipsMagister Mundi sum! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Oct 14 04:35:11 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:35:11 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 14, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: SPACE DOES NOT CARE I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #20). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Space Does Not Care (show #20) Chuck did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. After moving up to San Luis Obispo county, Chuck met with politics and apathy from the local college and public stations, but recently got a nudge from a friend to ask Jerry Kranitz if there was space for another show on Aural Innovations' on-line radio site: Hence the return of "Space Does Not Care", the format of which I'll safely place under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. MUSLIM GAUZE - "Bilechik Mule" (from Husein Mahmood Jeeb Tehar Gass - SoleilMoon) EAT STATIC - "Dyonesiac" (from Epsylon - Planet Dog) LIGHTNING BOLT - "2 Morro Morro Land" (from Hypermagic Mountain - Load) GUILD NAVIGATORS - "Zone Unkown" (from Phase II: Zone - unreleased) DR. KNOW - "Crucified" (from The Mystic Years - Mystic) THE ACCUSED - "Buried Alive" (from The Return of Martha Splatterhead - Unrest) CHUCK SPEAKS STRANGE CARGO - "Hulaville" (from Hinterland - WB) NIK TURNER - "God Rock" (from Sphynx - Cleopatra) TRISTEZA - "Casio" (from Mixed Signals - Tiger Style) CLUSTER - "Caramel" (from Zuckerzeit - Lilith) ANUBIAN LIGHTS w/LYDIA LUNCH - "Potango Tango" (from Champagne, Cocaine & Nicotine Stains - Crippled Dick Hotwax) KORAI OROM - "Through" (from Sound & Vision 2000 - Kora) CHUCK SPEAKS ENORMOUS - "I Just Sim Sala Bim" (from Multiminchia - Sonamiuzik) FLAMING FIRE - "Dark Night" (from When the High Bell Rings - Silly Bird) JOSHUA - "Look Floating" (from V/A Bread, Beard & Bear's Prayers - Bastet) TREE SINE - "Jump To the Moon" (from V/A Flourescent Tunnelvision - Submergence) INCREDIBLE EXPANDING MINDFUCK - "Deafman" (from ST'd - Nettwerk) BLACK MOTH SUPER RAINBOW - "Iron Lemonade/Smile the Day After Today" (from Eating Us - Graveface) BABLICON - "An Orange Pumpkin Glowing Moon Ensemble" (from The Orange Tapered Moon - Misra) CHUCK SPEAKS DAVID LYNCH - "The Pink Room" (from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me Soundtrack - WB) DAVID LYNCH - "Blue Frank" (from Twin Peaks: Season 2 and More - Absurda) STARS OF THE LID - "Requiem For Dying Mothers Pt. 2" (from The Tired Sounds of... - Kranky) SEEFEEL - "Plainsong" (from Pure, Impure - Too Pure) FAUST - "Liebeswehen 2" (from You Know Faust - Klangbad) LA DUSSELDORF - "Time" (from ST'd - Water) CHUCK SPEAKS THIRD EAR BAND - "Sun Ra Raga" (from Hymn To the Sphynx - Mooncrest) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Oct 14 16:44:28 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:44:28 EDT Subject: Good News..Huw is Home Message-ID: According to Kris Brock, at Hawkwind.com, Huw is home, his kidneys are stable and hoping for a full recovery. Marion thanks all for the positive vibes and prayers. Whew....... Bill S ny From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Oct 14 18:35:23 2009 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:35:23 +0100 Subject: Good News..Huw is Home Message-ID: That's a relief! Welcome home Huw and good wishes for a speedy recovery. jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Good News..Huw is Home > > > According to Kris Brock, at Hawkwind.com, Huw is home, his kidneys are > stable and hoping for a full recovery. > Marion thanks all for the positive vibes and prayers. Whew....... > > Bill S > ny > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 14 19:49:12 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:49:12 -0500 Subject: Good News..Huw is Home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ThankYou Bill I am certain there were seven claps of thunder as 'city of the future' finished playing a few days ago...(with kids outside leaping to and fro with the sound of Huw going on) "Bird Of Fantasy" has to fly on.... On 10/14/09, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > > > According to Kris Brock, at Hawkwind.com, Huw is home, his kidneys are > stable and hoping for a full recovery. > Marion thanks all for the positive vibes and prayers. Whew....... > > Bill S > ny > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 15 17:59:51 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:59:51 +0100 Subject: Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910141649i12bb28degd87947a5c51c465@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Will be performing their first live gig at The Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert 29 Feb - 229 Club, Great Portland Street, London ?20/?25 Also on the bill: Hawklords Inner City Unit Quintessence Brian James Gang Lol Coxhill Jeff Dexter on-line tickets and update info http://www.nikturner.com If you miss this gig - you must be mad. Originally planned for the Roundhouse and cancelled twice, this event has finally found a new home. Who are the Imperial Pompadours, Barneys brainchild...and what is their album "Ersatz" all about? "Barney was, as far as media direction of the youth of this country, probably the most important artist of our generation." Douglas Smith, Visionary artist Barney Bubbles was the graphic designer and creator of such classic sleeves as Hawkwind's "X In Search of Space," "Doremi Fasol Latido" and "Space Ritual" as well as innumerable Stiff Records covers. But his vision also extended to light shows, choreography and this record, "Ersatz." Collaborating with friend Nik Turner, Robert Calvert, Inner City Unit and whoever else was in the studio at the time, they produced a record under extreme economic conditions. Barney even designed the sleeve in affordable black and white, and kept the band (and himself, as was his wont) completely anonymous in the credits. Saving on the expense of studio time, they would record first-take versions of songs from a favourite mix tape of his after one play apiece. They would listen then record, listen then record twelve times in one quick session. And the songs on Barney's tape? "The Crusher" by The Novas, Little Black Egg" by The Nightcrawlers, "Brand New Cadillac", "Black Denim Trousers And Motorcycle Boots" by The Cheers. But what wound up on the album were a string of versions rendered by a band that had little or no previous knowledge of these songs! "The Crusher" is slowed down as to render the vocals practically belching or vomiting, not sung, over spartan backing of pot'n'pan percussion, drill noises and dinky organ. "See You Soon Baboon" is all frantic LSD-rockabilly, heavy on the vocal reverbing. In fact, the reverb's in the red on half the tracks here and if it's not the vocals, it's the damn guitar or some bicycle spokes being played with a knitting needle. From the "Pebbles" archive comes a classic freakout on The Fee-Fi-Fo-Plus Four's "I Want To Come Back (From the World of LSD)" with its barked out chorus of "A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D!" over variable delay speeding. The whole thing reeks of low budget experimentalism at all times, especially when an egg timer is used as percussion on one track. "Light Show" is pure anarchy: an almost "Baba O'Reilly" type anthem synthesizer intro, but ("POW! POW!") in breaks a buzzsaw Keith Levene riff -- sans backing -- then Nik Turner gives it some Hawkwind-styled intonation over a spare and tortured mini psycho-punk bombardment until it all degenerates into a woman shrieking over and over: "LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW!" On the back cover legend "Play it LOUD you turkeynecks" the word "LOUD" takes up half the space of the jacket but you run a real risk if you make good on this suggestion and live adjacent to intolerable neighbours. Because one song can suddenly rocket into the stratosphere all noised-up after a real quiet passage. Side two is "Insolence Across The Nation" and is a surefire rent-breaker at any volume: An album side's length of collaged sound effects, samples of Wagner and brief instrumentals backing a multi-perspective narration of the life of Adolf Hitler. It's psychedelic/punk cabaret action, for sure and one of the narrators is most definitely Robert Calvert, slipping into "Captain Lockheed" meets "Steppenwolf" psychotic, Teutonic ranting and frothing at the mouth. The whole deal is just so twisted and unpolished, this album and the year it came out - 1982 -- are completely incongruous. An utterly twisted album of variety and creativity. http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/40# The Imperial Pompadours are Inner City Unit -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:49 AM To: Subject: Re: Good News..Huw is Home > ThankYou Bill > I am certain there were seven claps of thunder as 'city of the future' > finished playing a few days ago...(with kids outside leaping to and fro with > the sound of Huw going on) > "Bird Of Fantasy" has to fly on.... > > > On 10/14/09, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> According to Kris Brock, at Hawkwind.com, Huw is home, his kidneys are >> stable and hoping for a full recovery. >> Marion thanks all for the positive vibes and prayers. Whew....... >> >> Bill S >> ny >> > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Oct 17 06:57:51 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:57:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Brutal Legend Promo In-Reply-To: <8CC0E5DFAD59B3B-4980-3699@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For all you gamers out there: http://kotaku.com/5383735/a-few-words-from-some-sentimental-and-semicoherent-legends- Lemmy promoting is part in 'Brutal Legend' as the Killmaster ;-) Rich W From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 17 10:11:36 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Them Crooked Vultures Message-ID: So, I don't know how many people caught wind of this beforehand. I just got lucky; someone on the Hawkwind list mentioned it a couple weeks ago, and I managed to catch them at the Roseland Ballroom in NYC Thurs night. Them Crooked Vultures: Josh Homme guitar John Paul Jones bass Dave Grohl drums (Alain Johannes touring guitarist) http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/10/16/them-crooked-vultures-blast-through-jams-at-new-york-debut/ The review is basically spot on (barring one howler of a misconception that the reviewer has, which I'm sure people who have been following the career of Josh Homme will pick up). ;-) It was an absolutely *monster* rock and roll show. If you get a chance to see them, I highly, highly recommend it. Steve From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 17 13:42:54 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:42:54 EDT Subject: OFF: Them Crooked Vultures Message-ID: Check out youtube for vids of the Roseland show. bill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 19 11:55:44 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:55:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Website Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <20090930194045.50NQF.401163.root@web05-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Dave Hall wrote: > So all in all, Alan yes you helped keep the band alive but on the > negative side for some periods you relegated them to being almost a > tribute act. Creativity was stifled and the band did not grow. Proof of > the pudding time for Dave Brock, is the next album going to be any good? I think that's a bit much given how many albums Alan's produced solo and collaboratively outside Hawkwind since he left. Whether he's telling the truth about leaving because Dave wouldn't have the band record any of his songs or not, that he has the songs can't be denied, whereas, well, _Spacebrock_. Although the songs on TMTYL are a lot better than that, with the exception of `Greenback Massacre', which might tend to support your point otherwise. > I have been to gigs on every tour from the late 70s (Hawkwind were the > first band I saw), festivals, Stonehenge, Hawkestra, Hawkcon, Donnington > and I have to say the band have been so great recently I can't wait to > the next one. I'm long overdue a sight of them, but I should at least make the Cambridge gig this tour. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Oct 19 13:49:11 2009 From: david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Hall) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:49:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Website Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi I didn't say Alan didn't have output. The point I was making was that he isn't exactly original - a bit Lemmy-lite. That's why Dave hired him. To begin with it was okay, later it went a bit odd - from "inspired by Lemmy" to a "Lemmy impersonation" completed with tilted mike stand. Ho hum, on the plus point he is a UFO and Space 1999 fan, and there aren't that many of us around. Nice version of the UFO theme, and yes I know Tubilah Dog did it first, complete with the opening credits on back projection when they supported Hawkwind in 1988 (89?)! B Dave ---- Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Dave Hall wrote: > > > So all in all, Alan yes you helped keep the band alive but on the > > negative side for some periods you relegated them to being almost a > > tribute act. Creativity was stifled and the band did not grow. Proof of > > the pudding time for Dave Brock, is the next album going to be any good? > > I think that's a bit much given how many albums Alan's produced > solo and collaboratively outside Hawkwind since he left. Whether he's > telling the truth about leaving because Dave wouldn't have the band record > any of his songs or not, that he has the songs can't be denied, whereas, > well, _Spacebrock_. Although the songs on TMTYL are a lot better than > that, with the exception of `Greenback Massacre', which might tend to > support your point otherwise. > > > I have been to gigs on every tour from the late 70s (Hawkwind were the > > first band I saw), festivals, Stonehenge, Hawkestra, Hawkcon, Donnington > > and I have to say the band have been so great recently I can't wait to > > the next one. > > I'm long overdue a sight of them, but I should at least make the > Cambridge gig this tour. Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Oct 19 14:25:14 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:25:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Website Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <20091019184911.VM45Z.844954.root@web05-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Message-ID: I love the episode where the guy is on LSD in a barn or something what a great show that UFO for the record, I've thought all points made in these coversations were valid on all sides, with the exception that the Distant Horizons album is a winner to me.....if that was in this somewhere God I need to see some UFO reruns Even the opening network sounds were great BTW, the Live 82 Vinyl is a KILLER Jacket and sound quality On 10/19/09, Dave Hall wrote: > > Hi > > I didn't say Alan didn't have output. The point I was making was that he > isn't exactly original - a bit Lemmy-lite. That's why Dave hired him. To > begin with it was okay, later it went a bit odd - from "inspired by Lemmy" > to a "Lemmy impersonation" completed with tilted mike stand. Ho hum, on the > plus point he is a UFO and Space 1999 fan, and there aren't that many of us > around. Nice version of the UFO theme, and yes I know Tubilah Dog did it > first, complete with the opening credits on back projection when they > supported Hawkwind in 1988 (89?)! B > > Dave > ---- Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Dave Hall wrote: > > > > > So all in all, Alan yes you helped keep the band alive but on the > > > negative side for some periods you relegated them to being almost a > > > tribute act. Creativity was stifled and the band did not grow. Proof of > > > the pudding time for Dave Brock, is the next album going to be any > good? > > > > I think that's a bit much given how many albums Alan's produced > > solo and collaboratively outside Hawkwind since he left. Whether he's > > telling the truth about leaving because Dave wouldn't have the band > record > > any of his songs or not, that he has the songs can't be denied, whereas, > > well, _Spacebrock_. Although the songs on TMTYL are a lot better than > > that, with the exception of `Greenback Massacre', which might tend to > > support your point otherwise. > > > > > I have been to gigs on every tour from the late 70s (Hawkwind were the > > > first band I saw), festivals, Stonehenge, Hawkestra, Hawkcon, > Donnington > > > and I have to say the band have been so great recently I can't wait to > > > the next one. > > > > I'm long overdue a sight of them, but I should at least make the > > Cambridge gig this tour. Yours, > > Jon > > > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > ======================================================================= > > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > > -Robert Anton Wilson > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 19 14:22:50 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:22:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Website Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Oct 2009, at 10:55, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Dave Hall wrote: >> So all in all, Alan yes you helped keep the band alive but on the >> negative side for some periods you relegated them to being almost >> a tribute act. Creativity was stifled and the band did not grow. >> Proof of the pudding time for Dave Brock, is the next album going >> to be any good? > > I think that's a bit much given how many albums Alan's produced > solo and collaboratively outside Hawkwind since he left. Whether > he's telling the truth about leaving because Dave wouldn't have the > band record any of his songs or not, that he has the songs can't be > denied, whereas, well, _Spacebrock_. Although the songs on TMTYL > are a lot better than that, with the exception of `Greenback > Massacre', which might tend to support your point otherwise. I do, admittedly, wonder if by the time that the (massively drawn out) period of recording TMTYL rolled around that Alan was thinking that his days might be numbered (jump or push) and starting to wonder how many songs he wanted to contribute .... That said, I am also not always sure Alan produces enough good songs fast enough on his own to necessarily deliver the goods all the time. I am willing to believe that _Captured Rotation_ was largely songs that were not accepted for inclusion on HW albums, but even that album follows the HW pattern of a handful of cool songs separated by what is (to be brutally honest) kind of random filler. (Though the good stuff was about as good as anything I might expect from anyone!). I maintain the vague feeling that Alan needs, if not a writing partner, additional collaborators to cough stuff up. (I am also not sure that a focused producer wouldn't hurt.) Alan's DIY approach turns out quite good results for what it is, but I can help but think that another hand or two in some capacity would provide a useful catalyst .... Ah, well, random pre-lunch thoughts! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Oct 21 14:50:26 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:50:26 +0000 Subject: Barney Bubbles Concert Tickets Message-ID: Also now available from SeeTickets (search under Barney Bubbles): www.seetickets.co.uk Ian From kruch7 at COX.NET Wed Oct 21 16:34:12 2009 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (kruch7 at COX.NET) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:34:12 -0400 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln Message-ID: Well after catching the commercial on TV the other night where were they used Lines from "fire of unknown origin" with a pop sound I have decided I will never by a Lincoln Ken Gygax is to Gaming What Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you WWBYD What would Brigham Young do From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 21 16:44:07 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:44:07 -0500 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: <22397759.2927.1256157252704.JavaMail.kruch7@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: I will never buy a car, rather I will attack them while moving before getting (in to attack) to the driver if necessary.... On 10/21/09, kruch7 at cox.net wrote: > > Well after catching the commercial on TV the other night where were they > used Lines from "fire of unknown origin" with a pop sound I have decided I > will never by a Lincoln > Ken > > > Gygax is to Gaming What Kirby was to comics > > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you > > WWBYD What would Brigham Young do > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 21 17:06:10 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:06:10 -0700 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: <22397759.2927.1256157252704.JavaMail.kruch7@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Like I could afford a Lincoln anyway. ________________________________ From: "kruch7 at COX.NET" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 3:34:12 PM Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln Well after catching the commercial on TV the other night where were they used Lines from "fire of unknown origin" with a pop sound I have decided I will never by a Lincoln Ken Gygax is to Gaming What Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you WWBYD What would Brigham Young do From denis at PTI-INC.DE Wed Oct 21 17:16:16 2009 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:16:16 +0200 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: <143237.59478.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On 21.10.2009, at 23:06, gary shindler wrote: > Like I could afford a Lincoln anyway. When I spent 8 months in the US some 7 years ago I desperately needed a car; I bought the cheapest piece of junk I could find. It was a '86 Lincoln Town Car for just 200$ (bullet holes in the back free of charge...), which, surprisingly broke (irreparably) down just 3 days before my flight back. So, not every Lincoln costs _that_ much ;-> greetz & SCNR D+R From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 21 17:26:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:26:42 -0500 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: <5F1C248A-8C70-4648-B2D9-E66B8A7B266B@pti-inc.de> Message-ID: I would think these days as long as you throw in a cell-phone many folks (around here) might not even notice or care if it didin't run.... sorry sorry bad day kinda On 10/21/09, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > Hi, > > On 21.10.2009, at 23:06, gary shindler wrote: > > Like I could afford a Lincoln anyway. >> > > When I spent 8 months in the US some 7 years ago I desperately needed a > car; I bought the cheapest piece of junk I could find. It was a '86 Lincoln > Town Car for just 200$ (bullet holes in the back free of charge...), which, > surprisingly broke (irreparably) down just 3 days before my flight back. So, > not every Lincoln costs _that_ much ;-> > > greetz & SCNR > > D+R > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 21 18:09:17 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:09:17 +0100 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 22 07:54:23 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:54:23 +0100 Subject: Motorhead in Kansas City review In-Reply-To: <278978.81065.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, gary shindler wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/yemtdrm Hey hey what happened to Mikkey Dee? Was he ill or something? Oh no don't be silly: a quick glance at the obvious website reveals: "The U.S. tour dates looked a little different this time around, as drummer Mikkey Dee took a couple of weeks off to film season one of K?ndisdjungeln, Sweden's version of I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here! where ten celebrities live together in the Malaysian jungle for 16 days. Velvet Revolver drummer, Matt Sorum, formerly of Guns N' Roses and The Cult, got the call from Lemmy and filled in during Mikkey's absence." Welcome to the D-list, Mikkey... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 22 09:58:48 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:58:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <800531.79231.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Keith Henderson wrote: > BTW, what's the ratio of people who rhyme blanga with "bang" vs. "blonde." Count me in the latter category, but as long as it carries that "2/4 feel within a 4/4 beat," what difference does it make what the vowel sound is? For the record, count me as `bang' not 'bong' on this score. It's turning out to basically differ across the Atlantic, at this rate, isn't it? Or did I miss some counter-examples? Yours, Jon ("let's do the timewarp, again") -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 22 10:26:46 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:26:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/22/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Keith Henderson wrote: > > BTW, what's the ratio of people who rhyme blanga with "bang" vs. "blonde." >> Count me in the latter category, but as long as it carries that "2/4 feel >> within a 4/4 beat," what difference does it make what the vowel sound is? >> > > For the record, count me as `bang' not 'bong' on this score. It's > turning out to basically differ across the Atlantic, at this rate, isn't it? > Or did I miss some counter-examples? Yours, > Jon ("let's do the timewarp, > again") well he did fail to chose the "Green Fireball" as the path of least resisitance...... we love you anyway.... From steve.bishop at DB.COM Thu Oct 22 11:41:45 2009 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:41:45 +0100 Subject: for you Kollektors ............? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HAWKWIND-JAPAN-1ST-7-SILVER-MACHINE-VERYRARE-W-L-PROMO_W0QQitemZ180420224078QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item2a01e2244e --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for additional EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 22 11:53:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:53:55 -0500 Subject: for you Kollektors ............? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On this note, it was previously thought that the red vinyl edition of this was the rarest Jap SM, but a gatefold version has turned up and is one of the rarest Hawkwind items ever I've got pictires of it if anybody wants to see it just mail me off-list m On 10/22/09, Steve Bishop wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HAWKWIND-JAPAN-1ST-7-SILVER-MACHINE-VERYRARE-W-L-PROMO_W0QQitemZ180420224078QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item2a01e2244e > > --- > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you > are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is > strictly > forbidden. > > Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for > additional > EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 22 18:54:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:54:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: I beg to differ... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910220726l19018cd0w47496a54ced186d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and, using carl's wah pedal, mines 9/10 but not quite all the way to long or bong....which is amazing considering these big clonkers....that is if bang is petal down also, I'm thinking allergy season could figure into this here stateside, as well locations and other factors I'm gone peace On 10/22/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > > On 10/22/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Keith Henderson wrote: >> >> BTW, what's the ratio of people who rhyme blanga with "bang" vs. "blonde." >>> Count me in the latter category, but as long as it carries that "2/4 feel >>> within a 4/4 beat," what difference does it make what the vowel sound is? >>> >> >> For the record, count me as `bang' not 'bong' on this score. It's >> turning out to basically differ across the Atlantic, at this rate, isn't it? >> Or did I miss some counter-examples? Yours, >> Jon ("let's do the >> timewarp, again") > > > well he did fail to chose the "Green Fireball" as the path of least > resisitance...... > we love you anyway.... > > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Oct 23 03:33:30 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:33:30 -0400 Subject: I will never buy a Lincoln In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910211426p27456ab9g8e37cd4e33e1390e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You're probably right. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: I will never buy a Lincoln I would think these days as long as you throw in a cell-phone many folks (around here) might not even notice or care if it didin't run.... sorry sorry bad day kinda On 10/21/09, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > Hi, > > On 21.10.2009, at 23:06, gary shindler wrote: > > Like I could afford a Lincoln anyway. >> > > When I spent 8 months in the US some 7 years ago I desperately needed > a car; I bought the cheapest piece of junk I could find. It was a '86 > Lincoln Town Car for just 200$ (bullet holes in the back free of > charge...), which, surprisingly broke (irreparably) down just 3 days > before my flight back. So, not every Lincoln costs _that_ much ;-> > > greetz & SCNR > > D+R > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 24 13:05:06 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:05:06 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren and the Deviants - Real Music Cub, Brighton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, trev wrote: > On stage with Mick were original Deviants, Duncan Sanderson, and Russel Hunter, with Inner City Unit's social revolutionary axeman Judge Trev, street busker slide guitarist Slim Tim Slide, and Paradise 9's Greg Mckella. I really wish I'd been able to make this. I tried to send the drummer ex on my behalf but she was inconsiderately in the USA. Sorry about that. > There is a strong possibility that Farren might relaunch a major Deviants campaign next spring, based in the UK and featuring some of the new line-up. Do keep us posted about that! In the absence of Larry Wallis's back being fixed (if that's still what's keeping the Fairies from reuniting) a Deviants tour would be a very nice next best... Yours, Jon ObCD: Spirit Caravan - _Jug Fulla Sun_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 25 08:10:03 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:10:03 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Magic Cat Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 25, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #227), and Magic Cat Radio (Mychoonz Special). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #227) Gdeva - "We Are Controlling Transmission" (from Alisa Coral presents 21st Century Space Adventure) Steve Kavanagh's Zen Dad - "Arrival in Eden" (from Alisa Coral presents 21st Century Space Adventure) Mother Of All Bands - "Insect Brain" (from Insect Brain) Alien Planetscapes - "Kirk's Groove pt. 3" (from Ultra Magnus) Dreamspirit - "Free to Go Into" / "Angel Waves" (from The Manson Spirit Problem) Dr. Brown Set (By REQUEST) Dr. Brown - "Minds Eye" (from Another Realm) Dr. Brown - "Great Britain" (from Live In The Minds Eye) Dr. Brown - "Magic Cat" (from In The World of Dreams) Dr. Brown - "Inside" (from Inside) Terminal Lovers - "Ion Gate" (from As Eyes Burn Clean) Kosmos - "Vieraat" (part 2) (from Vieraan Taivaan Alla) Dog Neutral - "Clear Day" (from In Gear Vol. 1) Siena Root - "The Road To Agartha: Bairagi" (from Different Realities) Herd Of The Ether Space - "At The Space Bar" (from Topical Anesthesia) Plumerai - "Electrical Mess" (from Electrical Mess) Jack Daddy Loops AKA Loopty - "Resurrection" (from Dancing With Jesus) Litmus - "Stars" (from Aurora) Kraftwerk - Live 1971 (tune in for details) Magic Cat Radio (Mychoonz Special) Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Buddbledubble, Dr Brown, Trev and Kev, and Magic Cat. This show features bands from the extensive Mychoonz catalog. Mychoonz is the one stop internet shop for all your spacerock needs. Visit their web site at http://www.mychoonz.co.uk Dream Machine - Castle Of A 1000 Universes (From the CD "A Castle Of 1000 universes) Bubbledubble - Melodicant (From the CD "Live At The Cosmic Puffin") Paradise 9 - Nothing For Tomorrow (From the CD "Nothing Till Tomorrow") ICU - Remember (Walking In The Sand) (From the CD "Maximum Effect") ZubZub - The Powers That Beep (From the CD "The Powers That Beep") Ohead - Dub Bubble (From The CD "Oheadz") Peyote Lee - Waveform (From the CD "22 Years") Electric Dub Guru - Life Rebirth (From the CD "Fight The System") Oresund Space Collective - Black Tomato Pt 1 (from the CD "Black Tomato") Shom - Hazey Dub (from the CD "Live @ The Cosmic Puffin, 2009") Space Pirates - The Wanderer (From The CD "Avast And Beyond") SpaceSeed - Titan (From the CD "Architects Of Twilight") Nukli - Rainbow Warriors (From The Cd "Mushroom Bungalow Musick") http://Aural-Innovations.com From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Oct 25 13:20:40 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:20:40 +0000 Subject: Krankshaft and Spirits Burning Message-ID: Hi All, Couple of new Hawkwind-related reviews here: www.spacerockreviews.blogspot.com I've written up Steve and Fred's Krankshaft album, and the new Spirits Burning & Bridget Wishart CD - both of which are well worth checking out! Ian From jt_ at COX.NET Sun Oct 25 20:46:36 2009 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:46:36 -0500 Subject: in Kansas City, MO In-Reply-To: <99A04647568D4000BC4A60B16A54AE76@BradDahlPC> Message-ID: > I've enjoyed BOC live from 1975 to 2000 whatever. Yeah, it's not the > original guys and we will probably never see that again, but how cool it > is that Eric and Buck keep it going. As long as they are not > embarrassing themselves, I say "more power to them". Who knows how much > longer they can keep it going. I hope I'm still rocking when I'm their > age. Damn straight. I'll see them any chance I get, since I am actually surprised they've pushed it this long. Eric must need the $ to run the World Of Warcraft command center in his basement. > Yeah, Buck is rarely animated and I'm sure not every gig is a shining > moment. He is still one of the best out there. Yeah -- considering the negative review or two that had been posted, I had been prepared for disappointment, and, instead, I enjoyed it more than any other time I remember. Despite the sound problems. Wish the keyboard had been audible. Something I forgot to mention ... their bassist, Rudy Sarzo, is good. He pulled off the Randy Jackson slap bass line of Shooting Shark with aplomb. Anyone remember when Albert posted that the song should have been saved for Donald's Windham Hill record? Heheh. As a live song, it rocks. The drummer, whatsisname, is funny to watch. He looks like he's in pain when he drums, particularly during the solo. Grimaces like he's passing a kidney stone. It's fun. It was fun watching the front row fans doing hair-metal air guitar to the muscular 'The Vigil' riffs. -- Jeff From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 27 16:58:25 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:58:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: Questions for techies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Folks... I know there are some knowledgeable techies here on BOC-L, such that I even hesitate to pose such a question, lest I unwittingly unleash a torrent of ever-more-sophisticated ramblings and arguments that leave us luddites in the dust, but nevertheless, here goes... I am going to start ripping my collection to data, since I better start now, or else I'll die of old age before I finish. I am not particularly picky about retaining the maximum sound quality of the original, so I thought I would just allow iTunes (is there a problem with that?) to rip them into the current state-of-the-art for iPods and such, which I gather is still MPEG-4 (file suffix .m4a). I have 8 GB in that format already (current iPod contents), so a small headstart. I know there are some FLACheads here, but since I don't know JAC about FLAC, I figure that's not for me. Presumably, the file sizes are proportionally larger? And the compatibility with devices like MP3 players and such more problematic for a somewhat techphobic (by 21st c. standards) person? Anyway, my real question is about the storage device I should buy. I am looking at a Seagate FreeAgent PRO desk model with 640 GB capacity, as they are on sale for only $70 with free shipping to boot. Is this a good one? I have never even purchased a computer before, so this would really be the first notable hardware acquisition of my life. Everything else I have used was either a work computer, somebody else's, or a hand-me-down. So my first question, which might seem rather funny, but... Does it have to be plugged in? The information sheet (PDF) doesn't expect someone to be this incredibly stupid, and I was planning to order online (where I can't ask the salesperson or just look at the demo model), so there's no answer to this question anywhere. But it says it has a power source (quite logical I suppose), and I just wonder if the power actually comes direct via a conventional plug/outlet, or perhaps can feed through the computer itself and into the harddrive via the cable/USB. I mean, my iPod does this, and it is effectively an external drive, so why not this one too? (such is my thinking) Perhaps it needs a lot more power though. (?) But anyway, I ask because I want to have something I can carry to Europe (eg) and still use without any trouble. (On that note, what is the Windows/Mac compatibility of externals, assuming it will be used with Windows XP first?) So if it does have a plug, is it at least designed to be compatible with 220/50 power? My iPod and digital camera battery chargers are, so perhaps this too. (?) Plug adapting is no big deal, but I would rather not screw with power converters with something so important. Also, can anyone recommend some good techniques, and or good software with which to catalog, update, and maintain my newly-forming digital music collection? I don't really like iTunes, and it seems limited as to what sorts of attributes it allows. Ideally, I would like to have a super-comprehensive program that not only shows me my filing structure etc., but also has a lot of user-entered (or partially Gracenote-linked, perhaps album art even) attribute information, such that when all is said and done, I could "log in," do a Boolean search for whatever I would like to hear that day, and it would instantly play me a random mix of songs that match the criteria that I entered. Country of origin, language, instr vs. vocal, with/without guitar/synth/flute/sax/etc, several layers of genre/subgenre classification, year, heavy/soft, light/melancholy, composer, etc. etc. ad infinitim. And of course, I get to add/subtract my own database elements and arrange/prioritize them as I like. Somebody certainly has created such a program, yes? And more importantly, could it possibly be free? (I kinda doubt it, but who knows.) That's all for now...it will take some time to even get going, so perhaps some of this can wait, but the external harddrive I get should be ultimately appropriate. To have the option of just using CF cards or memory sticks, ie., no moving parts, no power source, would be great, but they seem to be limited to 16-32 GB at present, and quite expensive per GB compared to the external drives. And my collection is huge (ca 4,000 CDs). Seagate makes 'portable' 500GB-1.5TB external drives which look nice, but are more expensive ($120 and up), and presumably also have moving parts, so perhaps not any 'safer' as far as resistance to damage. Is that true? Then the only advantage is really more compact size? No big deal for me, I only need one, and the one I am considering only weighs 1 kg. Thanks for any help...Grakkl (State College, PA) P.S. Oh, one more...does somebody now make 'stereo systems' with a kind of docking thing (or USB2.0 port) for something like this, to use directly without a computer in between? Again, like the ubiquitous iPod docking station/stereos? Or are super-modern high tech stereo systems themselves now coming often with USB or similar inputs/outputs as a matter of course these days? (I should go and look myself one of these days, not having shopped for stereo components in well over a decade.) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Oct 27 22:49:11 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:49:11 -0600 Subject: (ICU) Imperial Pompadours RFM release Message-ID: I've just checked my other email, and Trev's slipped in a spam announcing that he's made the Imperial Pompadours available on his own label..... cool From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 28 13:21:05 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:21:05 GMT Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 28 14:07:41 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:07:41 -0500 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] In-Reply-To: <200910281721.n9SHL5qi021900@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 28 Oct 2009, at 17:21, M Holmes wrote: > [Keith wrote:] >> I am not >> particularly picky about retaining the maximum sound quality of the >> original, so I thought I would just allow iTunes (is there a problem >> with that?) to rip them into the current state-of-the-art for iPods >> and such, which I gather is still MPEG-4 (file suffix .m4a). > > I thought MP3 was sound and MP4 some sort of video? MPEG-4 is a specification for both audio and video. The AAC scheme is part of both the MPEG-2 (also audio and video) and MPEG-4 specifications. Technically, MP3s belong to the MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 specification. > For MP3, I tend to record at 256 or 192 rather than 128 because I do > find the sound loss at 128 annoying, but everyone has a different > tradeoff between memory space taken and sound quality. I tend to make both Apple AAC files (for the iPod) and MP3 files (for discs that play in the car stereo) at minimum 192 (typically, I use variable bit rate or VBR files). But the bit rate at which you are happy will depend on many things, like your ears, your speakers/ headphones, ambient noise, etc. >> Anyway, my real question is about the storage device I should buy. I >> am looking at a Seagate FreeAgent PRO desk model with 640 GB >> capacity, >> as they are on sale for only $70 with free shipping to boot. > > I have a 500Gb Freeagent drive, but I have to say it's been > temperamental. It's powered from the USB (separate USB power lead if > needed) and sometimes the laptop won't recognise it. My suspicion is > that occasionally it's wanting more power than the laptop can supply. > I'd give some thought as to whether to get a mains-powered unit, but > again there's portability tradeoffs. I originally used 500 GB and 750 GB Western Digital drives, but when my collection outgrew those I moved it to a LaCie 1TB drive, with abother LaCie 1TB drive as backup. Of course, my iTunes library has all my music (or all the music I've so far ripped) saved in Apple Lossless format, so my drive-space requirements are quite a bit larger than they would be if I were storing only lossy AACs or MP3s. >> Does it have to be plugged in? > > Nope, but see above. Indeed, larger drive sizes (not surprisingly) tend to require more power -- often more power than can be practically supplied from the computer itself via USB, Firewire, etc. All my external drives of 500 GB or more have external power supplies. >> I mean, my iPod does this, and it is effectively an external drive, >> so why not this one too? (such is my thinking) Perhaps it needs a lot >> more power though. (?) But anyway, I ask because I want to have >> something I can carry to Europe (eg) and still use without any >> trouble. (On that note, what is the Windows/Mac compatibility of >> externals, assuming it will be used with Windows XP first?) So if it >> does have a plug, is it at least designed to be compatible with >> 220/50 >> power? > > Usually they'll have a transformer which will convert to 12 or 5 > volts. > Most such transformers will work abroad at different mains voltages, > though if it doesn't come with the mains plug adapter kit (I always > check that because it's an extra cost to get it otherwise) then you'll > need to buy one. Mains plug adapter kits tend to work fine with most external hard drives I've seen. Virtually all external hard-drives really on their "brick" power supplies to feed them the right kind of electricity, and in most cases you can send virtually any electricity into the "brick", and the brick sends the right electricity to the drive. :) I bought one of my WD drives in the UK, the other in the US -- I used the US one in the UK with a simple travel adapter, and now I use the UK one in Colombia (which has US-style electricity) with another travel adapter. No problem. Virtually all external drives come pre-formatted for Windows. They can, of course, be read by Macs (Macs being clever like that), though I have encountered read-write problems with Windows formatted drives (especially with large file sizes), so I tend to just blitz any new drives when I first plug them in, reformatting them for Macs. If you are just storing MP3s/AACs, the file sizes may be small, so you might not run into any problems when plugging a Windows-formatted drive into a Mac. However, I would investigate the issue in greater depth if you really wanted cross-platform compatability. (I don't -- I just use my drives with my Macs -- so it hasn't mattered to me.) > Also, non-moving memory is also > dropping in price, though very large chunks of it are still quite > expensive compared to hard disk drives. My experience is also that "non-moving" memory tends to be slower, still, in comparison to hard drives. This may be an issue when slinging audio files around (though, again, if one is using small- sized files like MP3s/AACs, this may not be an issue in practice). >> Then the only advantage is >> really more compact size? No big deal for me, I only need one > > Are you sure? What if you lose it? What if it gets stolen? What if it > just plain breaks? Do you want to copy all those CD's all over again? > Either get two, and keep copies of the work in separate places, or put > together some routine of backing things up over the web to a filestore > somewhere. Then if your portable drive breaks, you just need to > spend a > day copying from your last backup, rather than months copying all the > CD's again. Absolutely! The price of big ol' hard drives has become sufficiently low that it is _well_ worth the price of a second drive to allow a complete back-up of all that data. Ripping CDs is slow and tedious, and I have no desire to do it all over again! People are more or less paranoid about their backup procedures. For myself, I just keep everything as Apple Lossless in iTunes, and then copy the whole iTunes library from one 1TB drive to the other every week or so in order to capture any recent additions/changes. I tend to keep the second 1TB drive unplugged and tucked away safely when it's not being backed-up to. Sure, this is not a rigorously perfect solution, but it is simple and has worked well enough for my purposes so far. At the very least, my music collection is safer than it was when I just had a pile of LPs and cassettes. :) > The unit itself needs to have a bit more electronics than just being > storage to make that possible. Essentially it needs to be an MP3 plaer > in and of itself. There are however speakers which connect to and take > power from a USB socket, but they'll need to connect to a computer > or an > MP3 player with USB sound output. My desktop computer has a USB audio interface attached to it anyway (that's how I run the guitar into GarageBand :)) and so I just run stereo audio back out through it, and thence it can go to the audio- ins on a regular audio amplifier or just about anything else. Alternatively, I stream over the house's wireless network to an old laptop from which a cable runs from the audio out to the home theatre thingy. I have _not_ got an audiophile set up :) but it works well enough for parties. :) Or I can just plug in my headphones and I'm good. :) There are any number of clever solutions for playing digital music from computers and iPods and suchlike through various speaker and stereo arrangements. You'll just have to look around for a solution that fits your needs (and budget!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Oct 28 23:06:37 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I originally used 500 GB and 750 GB Western Digital drives, but when > my collection outgrew those I moved it to a LaCie 1TB drive, with > abother LaCie 1TB drive as backup. Of course, my iTunes library has > all my music (or all the music I've so far ripped) saved in Apple > Lossless format, so my drive-space requirements are quite a bit larger > than they would be if I were storing only lossy AACs or MP3s. I almost bought one of the 1TB Western Digital MyBook's a while back when they were around $110. My procedure is kind of convoluted. I rip my CD's to my hard drive as soon as I get them, then convert to FLAC. I keep a copy on another computer and when I get about 3.5 GB, I create an image with ImgBurn then use dvdisaster in RS02 mode to add error correction to the image before burning it to DVD (smaller size if I burn CD). I use the FLAC files for my source when I want to convert to another format like MP3. I probably have at least 4 copies of all my albums (2 on different computers and 2 on DVD/CD). I routinely check my DVD's and CD's at least once a year - not all at once. I think I have about 500 DVD's/CD's right now. I check about 5-10 a day. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 29 12:36:43 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:36:43 -0700 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] Message-ID: I used to think that LAME at around 190 VBR using the old "-r3mix" settings was good enough that I couldn't tell the difference... turned out I just hadn't been listening on a good enough system. I think I'm going to have to re-rip to FLAC (this will be my THIRD time through, dammit). :-P But since Keith explicitly stated that he didn't care, I would recommend going with whatever's most convenient for him. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 28 Oct 2009, at 17:21, M Holmes wrote: [Keith wrote:] > I am not > particularly picky about retaining the maximum sound quality of the > original, so I thought I would just allow iTunes (is there a problem > with that?) to rip them into the current state-of-the-art for iPods > and such, which I gather is still MPEG-4 (file suffix .m4a). > I thought MP3 was sound and MP4 some sort of video? MPEG-4 is a specification for both audio and video. The AAC scheme is part of both the MPEG-2 (also audio and video) and MPEG-4 specifications. Technically, MP3s belong to the MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 specification. > For MP3, I tend to record at 256 or 192 rather than 128 because I do find the sound loss at 128 annoying, but everyone has a different tradeoff between memory space taken and sound quality. I tend to make both Apple AAC files (for the iPod) and MP3 files (for discs that play in the car stereo) at minimum 192 (typically, I use variable bit rate or VBR files). But the bit rate at which you are happy will depend on many things, like your ears, your speakers/ headphones, ambient noise, etc. >> Anyway, my real question is about the storage device I should buy. I > am looking at a Seagate FreeAgent PRO desk model with 640 GB > capacity, > as they are on sale for only $70 with free shipping to boot. > I have a 500Gb Freeagent drive, but I have to say it's been temperamental. It's powered from the USB (separate USB power lead if needed) and sometimes the laptop won't recognise it. My suspicion is that occasionally it's wanting more power than the laptop can supply. I'd give some thought as to whether to get a mains-powered unit, but again there's portability tradeoffs. I originally used 500 GB and 750 GB Western Digital drives, but when my collection outgrew those I moved it to a LaCie 1TB drive, with abother LaCie 1TB drive as backup. Of course, my iTunes library has all my music (or all the music I've so far ripped) saved in Apple Lossless format, so my drive-space requirements are quite a bit larger than they would be if I were storing only lossy AACs or MP3s. >> Does it have to be plugged in? > Nope, but see above. Indeed, larger drive sizes (not surprisingly) tend to require more power -- often more power than can be practically supplied from the computer itself via USB, Firewire, etc. All my external drives of 500 GB or more h From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Oct 29 12:50:45 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:50:45 -0700 Subject: Off Questions for techies Message-ID: Boy, when Maxine's inner geek finally gets off the leash, she really goes to town :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Maxine Wesley Date: Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 6:05 am Subject: Re: Off Questions for techies To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > I thought MP3 was sound and MP4 some sort of video? mpeg-4 part 14 is a container so it can 'house' all manner of data. It's streaming format (from Apple/QT) Could be useful to encode it to a streaming format as in the future you could put your own laptop online as a server and therefore access the music from anywhere.... e.g. streamed to your phone You can encode streams at multiple bit rates ...players will detect the 'best' rate to use (so if you have a slow connection it sends a 'lesser' stream - which will, due to it's encoding be of inferior quality :-( (but played locally will play to it's best advantage) I have a friend who insists on the aiff format - but at 10Mb/minute you might want a bigger drive? I would consider looking to FLAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC) - sounds good and you can play on the ipod connected to your new speakers: :-) *> http://www.conranshop.co.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?pidR5282&cid=TechnoGifts&language=en-GB I was in London and for some bizarre reason ended up in the Conran shop. These speakers were being used in the shop - which was a large warehouse style - I was impressed with the quality and o/p. The ipod (or any other device) sits in the docking station on the top. Good luck Maxine p.s. make sure you back up whatever drive you decide to buy but don't buy two of the same product coz if one fails the chances are the other one will for the same reasons. My god I am displaying an awfully large amount of logic for a girlie! From jt_ at COX.NET Thu Oct 29 13:04:11 2009 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Virtually all external drives come pre-formatted for Windows. They can, > of course, be read by Macs (Macs being clever like that), though I have > encountered read-write problems with Windows formatted drives > (especially with large file sizes), so I tend to just blitz any new > drives when I first plug them in, reformatting them for Macs. If the drive is formatted for NTFS, you run into the problem that the Mac can't read it natively, requiring you to find some open source drivers to read the drive. Or at least I did, and my effort failed, so I just reformatted it as FAT anyway, so I could lug it between my Macs and PCs. > > If you are just storing MP3s/AACs, the file sizes may be small, so you > might not run into any problems when plugging a Windows-formatted drive > into a Mac. However, I would investigate the issue in greater depth if > you really wanted cross-platform compatability. (I don't -- I just use > my drives with my Macs -- so it hasn't mattered to me.) I don't have a problem with it ... my FAT formatted drive serves my Mac's 100 gig iTunes library. But I convert my FLAC files to AAC to play in the iPod and then just to play those instead, so I am not using files that are huge than 20 or 30 megabytes for something the length of an album side like Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick." -- J eff From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Oct 29 15:50:41 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:50:41 +0000 Subject: Off Questions for techies In-Reply-To: <3339665444.2781724@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:50:45 -0700, you sent through the ether: >My god I am displaying an awfully large amount of logic for a girlie! Good god, I need to lie down & cool off.. One of my female friends knows all about Pre CBS Fender guitars and hearing her discuss the merits of acrylic lacquer vs polyurethane coatings has the same effect... -S. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 29 16:57:52 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:57:52 -0000 Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD Message-ID: "ERSATZ" THE IMPERIAL POMPADOURS Barney's own musical masterpiece Now available from Real Festival Music: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html ?7.99 + shipping - all major credit cards accepted Original Barney Bubbles artwork cover, burned on archival quality media. Go to the Barney Bubbles Memorial all-dayer Concert, 29th November, 229 Club Great Portland Street, London More info and tickets http://www.nikturner.com/ and http://www.hawklords.com Originally planned as a "Sunday Implosion" at the London Roundhouse, the concert will now take place at the 229 Club Great Portland Street, London with the same line-up: Hawklords featuring the New Bubblettes, Brian James Gang, Inner City Unit, Imperial Pompadours, Quintessence, Jerry Fitzgerald/Lol Coxhill's Fre-Ex, Trikimiki's '3-D Space-Warp', D.J. Jeff Dexter, and the Pentameters Players performing "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice" by Robert Calvert Plus psychedelic light shows and visual exhibits Visionary artist Barney Bubbles was the graphic designer and creator of such classic sleeves as Hawkwind's "X In Search of Space," "Doremi Fasol Latido" and "Space Ritual" as well as innumerable Stiff Records covers. But his vision also extended to light shows, choreography and this record, "Ersatz." Collaborating with friend Nik Turner, Robert Calvert, Inner City Unit and whoever else was in the studio at the time, they produced a record under extreme economic conditions. Barney even designed the sleeve in affordable black and white, and kept the band (and himself, as was his wont) completely anonymous in the credits. Saving on the expense of studio time, they would record first-take versions of songs from a favourite mix tape of his after one play apiece. They would listen then record, listen then record twelve times in one quick session. And the songs on Barney's tape? "The Crusher" by The Novas, Little Black Egg" by The Nightcrawlers, "Brand New Cadillac", "Black Denim Trousers And Motorcycle Boots" by The Cheers. But what wound up on the album were a string of versions rendered by a band that had little or no previous knowledge of these songs! "The Crusher" is slowed down as to render the vocals practically belching or vomiting, not sung, over spartan backing of pot'n'pan percussion, drill noises and dinky organ. "See You Soon Baboon" is all frantic LSD-rockabilly, heavy on the vocal reverbing. In fact, the reverb's in the red on half the tracks here and if it's not the vocals, it's the damn guitar or some bicycle spokes being played with a knitting needle. From the "Pebbles" archive comes a classic freakout on The Fee-Fi-Fo-Plus Four's "I Want To Come Back (From the World of LSD)" with its barked out chorus of "A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D!" over variable delay speeding. The whole thing reeks of low budget experimentalism at all times, especially when an egg timer is used as percussion on one track. "Light Show" is pure anarchy: an almost "Baba O'Reilly" type anthem synthesizer intro, but ("POW! POW!") in breaks a buzzsaw Keith Levene riff -- sans backing -- then Nik Turner gives it some Hawkwind-styled intonation over a spare and tortured mini psycho-punk bombardment until it all degenerates into a woman shrieking over and over: "LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW!" On the back cover legend "Play it LOUD you turkeynecks" the word "LOUD" takes up half the space of the jacket but you run a real risk if you make good on this suggestion and live adjacent to intolerable neighbours. Because one song can suddenly rocket into the stratosphere all noised-up after a real quiet passage. Side two is "Insolence Across The Nation" and is a surefire rent-breaker at any volume: An album side's length of collaged sound effects, samples of Wagner and brief instrumentals backing a multi-perspective narration of the life of Adolf Hitler. It's psychedelic/punk cabaret action, for sure and one of the narrators is most definitely Robert Calvert, slipping into "Captain Lockheed" meets "Steppenwolf" psychotic, Teutonic ranting and frothing at the mouth. The whole deal is just so twisted and unpolished, this album and the year it came out - 1982 -- are completely incongruous. An utterly twisted album of variety and creativity. http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/40# "Barney was, as far as media direction of the youth of this country, probably the most important artist of our generation." Douglas Smith REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers to be removed from Real Festival Music updates, reply office at realfestivalmusic.co.uk with "unsubscribe" in the subject line to receive Real Festival Music updates in you inbox, not junk mail, add office at realfestivalmusic.co.uk to your address book From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 30 07:17:08 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:17:08 GMT Subject: Off Questions for techies In-Reply-To: Steve Pond's message of Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:50:41 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 30 08:29:32 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] In-Reply-To: <4AE9CB0B.2040602@cox.net> Message-ID: On 29 Oct 2009, at 12:04 , Jeff Thompson wrote: >> If you are just storing MP3s/AACs, the file sizes may be small, so >> you might not run into any problems when plugging a Windows- >> formatted drive into a Mac. However, I would investigate the issue >> in greater depth if you really wanted cross-platform >> compatability. (I don't -- I just use my drives with my Macs -- so >> it hasn't mattered to me.) > > I don't have a problem with it ... my FAT formatted drive serves my > Mac's 100 gig iTunes library. But I convert my FLAC files to AAC > to play in the iPod and then just to play those instead, so I am > not using files that are huge than 20 or 30 megabytes for > something the length of an album side like Jethro Tull's "Thick > as a Brick." Well, I have had FAT-formatted drives choke and crash when transferring big ol' files on and off -- like a FLAC or Apple Lossless version of a side of "Thick as a Brick". Online investigation revealed there could be some problems with large file sizes and FAT drives in cross-platform context -- I didn't really look into it deeply, as I just reformatted the drives to NTFS and restored the material from backup! But there are, clearly, situations where that might be problematic .... Anyway, that's just been my experience! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 30 08:52:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:52:27 -0600 Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well, as the techies thread will ferrit out, it's no wonder my new (gifted) (but new) cheap-ass turn-table is a spiritual matter, and quite the rebellious one (my fave part), completre with intermission if desired. Riding this new wave of vinyl resurgence which may have been brought about by simple greed and people's want to 'pose' more stuff, is no other than my local record dealer who was likely the best source of CD's here in Texas....and now there's not a CD in sight there and he's pullin' $1000.00 + per day....solo.... So anyway, what I love about this, is that you must have finally been into your mum's basement or located whatever shady character from the past to get your LP back, and now that you've commited it to archival digital format, if you've not returned it to it's sleeve and it's going into paper, PLEASE return it very carefully and contact me off-list about the details.... I will require all future RFM releases pressed in wax, and come to think of it you'll get rich pulling this off so just hand over the LP you have my address but if you need it again don't hesitate asking On 10/29/09, trev wrote: > > "ERSATZ" THE IMPERIAL POMPADOURS > > Barney's own musical masterpiece > > Now available from Real Festival Music: > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > ?7.99 + shipping - all major credit cards accepted > Original Barney Bubbles artwork cover, burned on archival quality media. > > > > Go to the Barney Bubbles Memorial all-dayer Concert, 29th November, 229 > Club Great Portland Street, London > More info and tickets http://www.nikturner.com/ and > http://www.hawklords.com > > Originally planned as a "Sunday Implosion" at the London Roundhouse, the > concert will now take place at the 229 Club Great Portland Street, London > with the same line-up: > > Hawklords featuring the New Bubblettes, Brian James Gang, Inner City Unit, > Imperial Pompadours, Quintessence, Jerry Fitzgerald/Lol Coxhill's Fre-Ex, > Trikimiki's '3-D Space-Warp', D.J. Jeff Dexter, and the Pentameters Players > performing "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice" by Robert Calvert > > Plus psychedelic light shows and visual exhibits > > Visionary artist Barney Bubbles was the graphic designer and creator of > such classic sleeves as Hawkwind's "X In Search of Space," "Doremi Fasol > Latido" and "Space Ritual" as well as innumerable Stiff Records covers. But > his vision also extended to light shows, choreography and this record, > "Ersatz." Collaborating with friend Nik Turner, Robert Calvert, Inner City > Unit and whoever else was in the studio at the time, they produced a record > under extreme economic conditions. Barney even designed the sleeve in > affordable black and white, and kept the band (and himself, as was his wont) > completely anonymous in the credits. Saving on the expense of studio time, > they would record first-take versions of songs from a favourite mix tape of > his after one play apiece. They would listen then record, listen then record > twelve times in one quick session. > > And the songs on Barney's tape? "The Crusher" by The Novas, Little Black > Egg" by The Nightcrawlers, "Brand New Cadillac", "Black Denim Trousers And > Motorcycle Boots" by The Cheers. But what wound up on the album were a > string of versions rendered by a band that had little or no previous > knowledge of these songs! "The Crusher" is slowed down as to render the > vocals practically belching or vomiting, not sung, over spartan backing of > pot'n'pan percussion, drill noises and dinky organ. "See You Soon Baboon" is > all frantic LSD-rockabilly, heavy on the vocal reverbing. In fact, the > reverb's in the red on half the tracks here and if it's not the vocals, it's > the damn guitar or some bicycle spokes being played with a knitting needle. > From the "Pebbles" archive comes a classic freakout on The Fee-Fi-Fo-Plus > Four's "I Want To Come Back (From the World of LSD)" with its barked out > chorus of "A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D!" over variable delay speeding. The > whole thing reeks of low budget experimentalism at all times, especially > when an egg timer is used as percussion on one track. "Light Show" is pure > anarchy: an almost "Baba O'Reilly" type anthem synthesizer intro, but ("POW! > POW!") in breaks a buzzsaw Keith Levene riff -- sans backing -- then Nik > Turner gives it some Hawkwind-styled intonation over a spare and tortured > mini psycho-punk bombardment until it all degenerates into a woman shrieking > over and over: "LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW!" > > On the back cover legend "Play it LOUD you turkeynecks" the word "LOUD" > takes up half the space of the jacket but you run a real risk if you make > good on this suggestion and live adjacent to intolerable neighbours. Because > one song can suddenly rocket into the stratosphere all noised-up after a > real quiet passage. Side two is "Insolence Across The Nation" and is a > surefire rent-breaker at any volume: An album side's length of collaged > sound effects, samples of Wagner and brief instrumentals backing a > multi-perspective narration of the life of Adolf Hitler. It's > psychedelic/punk cabaret action, for sure and one of the narrators is most > definitely Robert Calvert, slipping into "Captain Lockheed" meets > "Steppenwolf" psychotic, Teutonic ranting and frothing at the mouth. The > whole deal is just so twisted and unpolished, this album and the year it > came out - 1982 -- are completely incongruous. An utterly twisted album of > variety and creativity. > > http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/40# > > > "Barney was, as far as media direction of the youth of this country, > probably the most important artist of our generation." Douglas Smith > > > > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, > News, Healers > to be removed from Real Festival Music updates, reply > office at realfestivalmusic.co.uk with "unsubscribe" in the subject line > > to receive Real Festival Music updates in you inbox, not junk mail, add > office at realfestivalmusic.co.uk to your address book > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Oct 30 09:21:20 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:21:20 -0400 Subject: [Keith Henderson: OFF: Questions for techies] In-Reply-To: <3FBFE884-D3B0-4241-A7F9-506606EC8227@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 29 Oct 2009, at 12:04 , Jeff Thompson wrote: >>> If you are just storing MP3s/AACs, the file sizes may be small, so >>> you might not run into any problems when plugging a Windows- >>> formatted drive into a Mac. However, I would investigate the >>> issue in greater depth if you really wanted cross-platform >>> compatability. (I don't -- I just use my drives with my Macs -- >>> so it hasn't mattered to me.) >> >> I don't have a problem with it ... my FAT formatted drive serves my >> Mac's 100 gig iTunes library. But I convert my FLAC files to AAC >> to play in the iPod and then just to play those instead, so I am >> not using files that are huge than 20 or 30 megabytes for >> something the length of an album side like Jethro Tull's "Thick >> as a Brick." > > > Well, I have had FAT-formatted drives choke and crash when > transferring big ol' files on and off -- like a FLAC or Apple > Lossless version of a side of "Thick as a Brick". Online > investigation revealed there could be some problems with large file > sizes and FAT drives in cross-platform context -- I didn't really > look into it deeply, as I just reformatted the drives to NTFS and > restored the material from backup! But there are, clearly, > situations where that might be problematic .... Anyway, that's just > been my experience! :) FAT-formatted filesystems do have size limitations: the maximum file size is 4 GB, which means it is not a good medium for mastering ISO files for burning to DVD (which would be larger than 4 GB if you filled the DVD space). FAT is also less robust to crashes than alternative file systems, and so is more susceptible to corruption should you suffer, say, a power failure when writing data. The FAT design also leads it to be prone to problems of fragmentation, which can slow down I/O and negatively affect performance on large disks. NTFS---the standard file system under Windows---is problematic because Microsoft keep secret its innards, typically only licensing read-only drivers for other platforms. But, that's not to say you can't get read-write support for other systems, often in the form of the wonderful, reverse-engineered NTFS-3G driver (http:// www.ntfs-3g.org/). (Mac users might also like to know that Snow Leopard contains NTFS write support, though it is disabled by default, possibly because it is not considered production-ready.) So, formatting an external drive as NTFS is a good option nowadays, and, in doing so, you overcome the 4 GB file size limitation, as well as the performance and reliability issues that accompany FAT. Cheers, Paul. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 30 10:14:19 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:14:19 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Mary Sullivan-Bruce computer crash + request Message-ID: I've just been asked to mention that Mary is once again knocked off-line and she's wanted this known and more importantly she needs the following non-specific message sent to the Hawkwind Yahoo forum: "Hello, my computer is down again, I got the files, Thank You" and since I do not "Yahoo", and I am unsure if I have any friends left on the net, I am making this non-specific request if anyone would be kind enough to transfer this message onto that forum thank you mike From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 30 11:20:43 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:20:43 -0000 Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD In-Reply-To: <17d80c610910300552k9b2733ajde695a6200a951ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: dear hamburger...you're getting NOTHING...NOTHING d'ya hear? ha ha ha ha It's my birthday today... there was an ersatz vinyl on ebay recently...$95 trevy wevy -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:52 PM To: Subject: Re: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD > well, as the techies thread will ferrit out, it's no wonder my new (gifted) > (but new) cheap-ass turn-table is a spiritual matter, and quite the > rebellious one (my fave part), completre with intermission if desired. > Riding this new wave of vinyl resurgence which may have been brought about > by simple greed and people's want to 'pose' more stuff, is no other than my > local record dealer who was likely the best source of CD's here in > Texas....and now there's not a CD in sight there and he's pullin' $1000.00 + > per day....solo.... > So anyway, what I love about this, is that you must have finally been into > your mum's basement or located whatever shady character from the past to get > your LP back, and now that you've commited it to archival digital format, if > you've not returned it to it's sleeve and it's going into paper, PLEASE > return it very carefully and contact me off-list about the details.... > I will require all future RFM releases pressed in wax, and come to think of > it you'll get rich pulling this off so just hand over the LP > you have my address but if you need it again don't hesitate asking > > > > On 10/29/09, trev wrote: >> >> "ERSATZ" THE IMPERIAL POMPADOURS >> >> Barney's own musical masterpiece >> >> Now available from Real Festival Music: >> http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html >> ?7.99 + shipping - all major credit cards accepted >> Original Barney Bubbles artwork cover, burned on archival quality media. >> >> >> >> Go to the Barney Bubbles Memorial all-dayer Concert, 29th November, 229 >> Club Great Portland Street, London >> More info and tickets http://www.nikturner.com/ and >> http://www.hawklords.com >> >> Originally planned as a "Sunday Implosion" at the London Roundhouse, the >> concert will now take place at the 229 Club Great Portland Street, London >> with the same line-up: >> >> Hawklords featuring the New Bubblettes, Brian James Gang, Inner City Unit, >> Imperial Pompadours, Quintessence, Jerry Fitzgerald/Lol Coxhill's Fre-Ex, >> Trikimiki's '3-D Space-Warp', D.J. Jeff Dexter, and the Pentameters Players >> performing "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice" by Robert Calvert >> >> Plus psychedelic light shows and visual exhibits >> >> Visionary artist Barney Bubbles was the graphic designer and creator of >> such classic sleeves as Hawkwind's "X In Search of Space," "Doremi Fasol >> Latido" and "Space Ritual" as well as innumerable Stiff Records covers. But >> his vision also extended to light shows, choreography and this record, >> "Ersatz." Collaborating with friend Nik Turner, Robert Calvert, Inner City >> Unit and whoever else was in the studio at the time, they produced a record >> under extreme economic conditions. Barney even designed the sleeve in >> affordable black and white, and kept the band (and himself, as was his wont) >> completely anonymous in the credits. Saving on the expense of studio time, >> they would record first-take versions of songs from a favourite mix tape of >> his after one play apiece. They would listen then record, listen then record >> twelve times in one quick session. >> >> And the songs on Barney's tape? "The Crusher" by The Novas, Little Black >> Egg" by The Nightcrawlers, "Brand New Cadillac", "Black Denim Trousers And >> Motorcycle Boots" by The Cheers. But what wound up on the album were a >> string of versions rendered by a band that had little or no previous >> knowledge of these songs! "The Crusher" is slowed down as to render the >> vocals practically belching or vomiting, not sung, over spartan backing of >> pot'n'pan percussion, drill noises and dinky organ. "See You Soon Baboon" is >> all frantic LSD-rockabilly, heavy on the vocal reverbing. In fact, the >> reverb's in the red on half the tracks here and if it's not the vocals, it's >> the damn guitar or some bicycle spokes being played with a knitting needle. >> From the "Pebbles" archive comes a classic freakout on The Fee-Fi-Fo-Plus >> Four's "I Want To Come Back (From the World of LSD)" with its barked out >> chorus of "A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D! A-C-I-D!" over variable delay speeding. The >> whole thing reeks of low budget experimentalism at all times, especially >> when an egg timer is used as percussion on one track. "Light Show" is pure >> anarchy: an almost "Baba O'Reilly" type anthem synthesizer intro, but ("POW! >> POW!") in breaks a buzzsaw Keith Levene riff -- sans backing -- then Nik >> Turner gives it some Hawkwind-styled intonation over a spare and tortured >> mini psycho-punk bombardment until it all degenerates into a woman shrieking >> over and over: "LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW! LIGHT SHOW!" >> >> On the back cover legend "Play it LOUD you turkeynecks" the word "LOUD" >> takes up half the space of the jacket but you run a real risk if you make >> good on this suggestion and live adjacent to intolerable neighbours. Because >> one song can suddenly rocket into the stratosphere all noised-up after a >> real quiet passage. Side two is "Insolence Across The Nation" and is a >> surefire rent-breaker at any volume: An album side's length of collaged >> sound effects, samples of Wagner and brief instrumentals backing a >> multi-perspective narration of the life of Adolf Hitler. It's >> psychedelic/punk cabaret action, for sure and one of the narrators is most >> definitely Robert Calvert, slipping into "Captain Lockheed" meets >> "Steppenwolf" psychotic, Teutonic ranting and frothing at the mouth. The >> whole deal is just so twisted and unpolished, this album and the year it >> came out - 1982 -- are completely incongruous. An utterly twisted album of >> variety and creativity. >> >> http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/40# >> >> >> "Barney was, as far as media direction of the youth of this country, >> probably the most important artist of our generation." Douglas Smith >> >> >> >> REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk >> Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, >> News, Healers >> > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 30 12:03:51 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:03:51 GMT Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD In-Reply-To: trev's message of Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 30 12:18:42 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:18:42 -0500 Subject: Off Questions for techies In-Reply-To: <4AEEAE35.B4F3.009C.0@port.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 02 Nov 2009, at 05:02, Maxine Wesley wrote: > I have a friend who insists on the aiff format - but at 10Mb/minute > you > might want a bigger drive? Yeah, both FLAC and WAV are very similar to uncompressed CD audio as best as I understand it -- mostly the same data in a slightly different wrapper. Why AIFF should be preferred to FLAC mystifies me: there's no loss of information in FLAC format (it being, obviously enough, a lossless format). > I would consider looking to FLAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC) - > sounds good and you can play on the ipod You can play FLAC on the iPod? I guess so, though my understanding has been that one needs to install 3rd-party replacement firmware like Rockbox or something similar in order to play FLAC on the iPod. I haven't tried this for various reasons, not least that my iPod is quite old and small by contemporary standards, and FLACs (or Apple Lossless files) would fill it up quite quickly! :) I believe it is easier to convince iTunes (in either Mac or Windows) to play FLACs (on OS X, for example, you can install the Fluke package), but I tend just to turn FLACs into AIFFs and those into Apple Lossless. It doesn't take long, and it's all lossless -- so I can turn my Apple Lossless files back into AIFFs or FLAC whenever I might feel so inclined. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 30 13:19:41 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:19:41 -0600 Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/30/09, trev wrote: > > dear hamburger...you're getting NOTHING...NOTHING d'ya hear? ha ha ha ha > It's my birthday today... > there was an ersatz vinyl on ebay recently...$95 *Insulting isn't it?? but I guess it's a good thing as this is likely the source copy.* *here's hoping YOU get something then!!!* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 30 13:35:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:35:39 -0600 Subject: Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert and Imperial Pompadours CD In-Reply-To: <200910301603.n9UG3p14001958@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 10/30/09, M Holmes wrote: > > trev writes: > > > there was an ersatz vinyl on ebay recently...$95 > > Wow! Imagine what a real one would cost. > > FoFP The fun part for us is a _ a little less_ I think. That was nice of you trying to keep his spirits up. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Oct 31 09:51:27 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:51:27 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com OCTOBER 31, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded anew show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #228). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #228) Will Greenwood ? ?War To End All Wars? (from The Endlessness Of It All) Carlton Melton ? ?Digging In (F.F. Shite)? (from Pass it on ) Astrid Pr?ll ? ?Proll II? (from Astrid Pr?ll) Shay Tal ? ?A World Beneath Us? (from Bring In All The Horses) High Watt Electrocutions ? ?Tut Will Have His Revenge? (from Desert Opuses) The Global Broad Band ? ?Waddya Want? (from The Global Broad Band) ALIEN PLANETSCAPES SET (Doug Walker Oct. 28th Birthday Tribute) Alien Planetscapes ? ?Radiation King? (from Life on Earth) Alien Planetscapes ? ?Amon D??l II? (from Celestial Dance Hits) Alien Planetscapes ? ?A Sailor?s Tale? (from Schizoid Dimension: A Tribute to King Crimson) Alien Planetscapes ? ?Flare Up!? (from Ultra Magnus) MASTERMIND SET Mastermind ? ?Child Of Technology? (from Volume One) Mastermind ? ?Brainstorm? (from Volume Two) Mastermind ? ?The Queen Of Sheba? (from Angels Of The Apocalypse) Mastermind ? ?I?m So Glad? (from Broken) Mooch ? ?Symbols 1-3? (from Eight Symbols For Floating With) Olekranon ? ?Identi? (from Identi) Tangerine Dream live 1975 (tune in for details) http://Aural-Innovations.com