From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 1 16:41:15 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:41:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? Message-ID: Browsing in WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!) cycling magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller has an article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned it for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right Stuff' phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess is possible if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. I've not read the book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret HW/Calvert Fan at SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' out loud in public to no one in particular! On the subject Rochdale library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy called 'Brainstorm', although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so it's not so obscure. Mundo _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.? See the possibilities. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jan 1 22:28:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg <*>: http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg <*>: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote: > > Browsing in WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!) > cycling magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller > has an article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned > it for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and > custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right Stuff' > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess is possible > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. I've not read the > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret HW/Calvert Fan at > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' out loud in public to no > one in particular! > On the subject Rochdale library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy > called 'Brainstorm', although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so > it's not so obscure. > > Mundo > _________________________________________________________________ > Imagine a life without walls. See the possibilities. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 2 05:29:41 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:29:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901011928j4c329694id369551d02b2ce4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly though, or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and the right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did train in it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? Mundo !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg> > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing in WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has an article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > it for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess is possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. I've not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' out loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so obscure.> >> > Mundo> > _________________________________________________________________> > Imagine a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 2 10:20:53 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:20:53 -0600 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: why those are the _sonic boom killers_ On 1/2/09, Edmund Clout wrote: > > Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly though, > or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine > > http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm > > It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. > > Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and the > right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did train in > it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: > http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm > > The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. > > Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? > > Mundo > !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! > > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> > Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > > <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: > http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg> > > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing in > WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling > magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has an > article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > it > for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > > custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right > Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess is > possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. I've > not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret > HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' out > loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale > library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', > although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so > obscure.> >> > Mundo> > > _________________________________________________________________> > Imagine > a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 2 13:11:17 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:11:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901011928j4c329694id369551d02b2ce4@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610901020720h73c0ea8cnab59f3fd43bfca74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference? > why those are the _sonic boom killers_ > > On 1/2/09, Edmund Clout wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly >> though, >> or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine >> >> http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm >> >> It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. >> >> Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and >> the >> right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did train >> in >> it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: >> http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm >> >> The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. >> >> Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? >> >> Mundo >> !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! >> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> >> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > >> <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: >> http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> >> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg> >> > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing in >> WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling >> magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has >> an >> article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > >> it >> for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > >> custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right >> Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess >> is >> possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. >> I've >> not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret >> HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' >> out >> loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale >> library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', >> although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so >> obscure.> >> > Mundo> > >> _________________________________________________________________> > >> Imagine >> a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 2 13:18:32 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:18:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901011928j4c329694id369551d02b2ce4@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610901020720h73c0ea8cnab59f3fd43bfca74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: the tf starfighter was nothing compared to the english electric lightning p1b, which had similar speed but was far more manoeverable and could fly in all weathers. over 100 german pilots were killed in starfighters during non-combat flights i'm thinking of putting on a judge fest this year why doesn't coleman just shuttup completely? trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference? > why those are the _sonic boom killers_ > > On 1/2/09, Edmund Clout wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly >> though, >> or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine >> >> http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm >> >> It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. >> >> Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and >> the >> right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did train >> in >> it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: >> http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm >> >> The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. >> >> Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? >> >> Mundo >> !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! >> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> >> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > >> <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: >> http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> >> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg> >> > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing in >> WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling >> magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has >> an >> article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > >> it >> for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > >> custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right >> Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess >> is >> possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. >> I've >> not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret >> HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' >> out >> loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale >> library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', >> although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so >> obscure.> >> > Mundo> > >> _________________________________________________________________> > >> Imagine >> a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Jan 2 13:39:37 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:39:37 +0100 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND Message-ID: Who is going ?? http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/hawkwind-announce-40th-anniversary-e xtravaganza/ cheers Bernhard From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Jan 2 17:15:17 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:15:17 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JANUARY 3, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've just uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #9). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NOTE: I got the greatest toy for Christmas! I can now digitalize my vinyl and cassettes! Which means starting with next weeks edition of Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio I'll be including some fun obscure stuff from my LP and Tape collection. Stay tuned! Space Does Not Care (show #9) Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. DOUBLE LENGTH SHOW THIS WEEK!!! ALIEN SEX FIEND - "Here Cum Germs" (from Here Cum Germs - Anagram) HELIOS CREED - "Late Bloomer" / "Lactating Purple" (from Bursting Through the Van Allen Belt - Cleopatra) ST 37 - "Translunar Injection/New Arrival" (from Strange Daze '97 - Strange Trips) A.M.P. - "Shifttime" (from AstralMoonbeamProjections - Kranky) AMON TOBIN & Friends - "Yasawas/Night Life/Fear/Escape/Deep Impact/Spanner in the Worx/Allergic/Completely Real" (from Solid State Live - Ninja Tune) DIESELBOY - "Let It Roll" (from Drum&Bass Selections USA - Suburban Base) ADD N TO X - "Grey Body, Green Gun" (from On the Wires of Our Nerves - Mute) YO LA TENGO - "Nutricia" (from Genius & Love = Yo La Tengo - Matador) EARLY YEARS - "The Simple Solution" (from ST'd - Beggars) CENSUS OF HALLUCINATIONS - "Sunlight Through Autumn Leaves" (from The 8th Dwarf - Stone Premonitions) BOREDOMS - "Track #6" (from Vision Creation New Sun - Birdman) TROUBLE EVERYDAY - "When the Sun Hits" (from V/A Never Lose That Feeling - AC/30) FARFLUNG - "Breach of I" (from Myth of Solid Ground) ARCADE FIRE - "Wake Up" (from Funeral - Merge) AMON DUUL II - "Nasi Goreng" (from Utopia - Gammarock) ECHOBOY - "Telstar Recovery" (from Volume II - Mute) FLOWCHART - "Nationwide Sleep Disorder" (from Tenjira - Little Darla) ANUBIAN LIGHTS - "Shine" (from Phantascope - Rythmbank) BANCO DE GAIA - "Drippy" (from Big Men Cry - Mammoth) CHURCH OF HED - "The Lone Freak" (from ST'd - Eternity's Jest) ARTHUR LOVES PLASTIC - "Illusion" (from Savage Bliss - Machine Heart Music) FLAMING FIRE - "High Bell" (from When the High Bell Rings - Silly Bird) JULIAN COPE - "I Have Always Been Here Before" (from V/A Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye: A Tribute to Roky Erikson - Warners) CHRIS THOMAS - "Postures " (from Where the Pyramid...) 13TH FLOOR ELEVATORS - "The Rose & the Thorn" (from Bull of the Woods - Snapper) BEATLES - "Tomorrow Never Knows" (from Revolver) http://Aural-Innovations.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Jan 3 06:42:21 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:42:21 +0000 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <1LIovB-0Mq9s80@fwd11.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: The venue looks very posh!! (If I'm looking at the right one) http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/a637/ I'm definitely going to this one. Are you able to make it Bernhard? Mick --- On Fri, 2/1/09, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > From: bernhard.pospiech > Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:39 PM > Who is going ?? > > http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/hawkwind-announce-40th-anniversary-e > xtravaganza/ > > > cheers > Bernhard From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 3 06:50:46 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 06:50:46 -0500 Subject: New reviews at Aural Innovations Message-ID: Long time Aural Innovations staffer Scott Heller submitted a load of reviews that are now posted on our site. You'll find..... Live concert reviews Releases from Elektrohasch Records Releases from Atomhenge Releases from Transubstans Records Releases from Prog Rock Records Releases from World in Sound Records Releases from Kult of Nihlow Releases from Sulatron Records And a bunch of general reviews You can go directly to the January 2009 Reviews Update page at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/2009/january/jan2009.htm From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jan 3 07:03:51 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:03:51 +0100 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <339103.32505.qm@web86207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be there Mick !!! Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mick Crook Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND The venue looks very posh!! (If I'm looking at the right one) http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/a637/ I'm definitely going to this one. Are you able to make it Bernhard? Mick --- On Fri, 2/1/09, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > From: bernhard.pospiech > Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:39 PM Who is going ?? > > http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/hawkwind-announce-40th-anniver > sary-e > xtravaganza/ > > > cheers > Bernhard From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Jan 3 07:13:21 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:13:21 -0500 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND Message-ID: If anyone has a spare Christmas 2002 CD EP, I could use one. John Majka From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Sun Jan 4 09:51:39 2009 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:51:39 +0800 Subject: BOC: couple of streaming King Biscuit concerts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Just found these 2 shows today: http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/20049753-790.html http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/20049755-790.html First one is from 1976 and has superb versions of Morning Final and This Ain't The Summer Of Love. Second one is from 1986 with Club Ninja material. You have to register to listen to the music, but its simple and just requires your email address. Theres also an Aldo Nova show on the same site and, infact, tons of other stuff too, but no HW. Cheers, Ian. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 4 17:08:38 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:08:38 -0600 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <1LIovB-0Mq9s80@fwd11.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, bernhard.pospiech wrote: :Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND : :Who is going ?? : :http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/hawkwind-announce-40th-anniversary-e :xtravaganza/ : I hope to go. Don't yet know if we can make it, but we optimistically bought tickets this morning. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 5 07:36:20 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:36:20 GMT Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:39:37 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Jan 5 08:38:19 2009 From: Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:38:19 +0000 Subject: Forty Years of Hawkwind Message-ID: Sounds good to me - just booked a couple of tickets and now wishing the winter away (not that I wasn't already)... roll on the summer of 2009! weehoooooooooooo. Maxine From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jan 5 09:48:44 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:48:44 -0800 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND Message-ID: This is going to be a bloody expensive year for me if I go to both Space Ritual 2009 and the 40 Year event. :) Anyway, I just bought tix to the 40 Year extravaganza. I assume one of you lot will take care of the pre-gig pub arrangements. :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes Date: Monday, Jan 5, 2009 7:38 am Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET bernhard.pospiech writes: > Who is going ?? I'll be there... -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From joe.e at TELIA.COM Mon Jan 5 09:59:56 2009 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:59:56 +0100 Subject: Griffin Metal Shield In-Reply-To: <002001c96d9c$ab829f80$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: If someone of you have a Griffin Undisclosed Files, and want to upgrade it to a Metal Shield, there's one without CD on the U.S. eBay: I've decided not to bid, because the airmail s/h costs would probably kill me. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200294607096 As this entity seems to miss the black plate on back informing of "LIMITED EDITION OF 500" I think it could be the #501, and therefore was intended to be deleted. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 5 11:02:03 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:02:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: couple of streaming King Biscuit concerts In-Reply-To: <200901041452.n04EptnX000325@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: On 04 Jan 2009, at 09:51 , Ian Jeffcock wrote: > http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/ > 20049753-790.html > http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/ > 20049755-790.html > First one is from 1976 and has superb versions of Morning Final and > This Ain't The Summer Of Love. > Second one is from 1986 with Club Ninja material. > You have to register to listen to the music, but its simple and > just requires your email address. Coolness -- I hadn't seen those last time I was sniffing around Wolfgang's Vault. Looks like they're not available for download, alas -- I hate streaming audio/video -- and WV hasn't got lossless downloads yet anyway .... Still, nice to see 'em there! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Jan 5 11:03:18 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:03:18 +0000 Subject: Moorcock CD Message-ID: >From Voiceprint newsletter received today - no link as yet. *Michael Moorcock Previously Unreleased Archive Album* *Hawkwind* collaborator *Michael Moorcock* releases an amazing archive album in the New Year. The album will be released under the Michael Moorcock and Deep Fix banner. The album is entitled *The Entropy Tango and Gloriano Demo Sessions* This CD presents demo recordings of vocal and instrumental pieces based on two of Moorcock's well-known novels: *THE ENTROPY TANGO** *and *GLORIANA.* The material on this CD was originally planned for release on the United Artists label, or BBC presentation, but stopped when Moorcock put the Deep Fix on hold and has remained in the vaults until now. The CD liner notes include a recent interview of *Michael Moorcock* by *Spirits Burning's Don Falcone*. Fans of Moorcock will be interested to read a new take on his musical career. -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 5 11:12:23 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:12:23 -0800 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <200901051236.n05CaKmU003120@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > bernhard.pospiech writes: > > > Who is going ?? > > I'll be there... Me too, with any luck. Like others, I have already purchased a ticket, not knowing if I will eventually be able to swing the overseas trip. (Sadly, I am flying over the ocean in the wrong direction next week.) But now that I've missed the final Xmas Astoria show (tragic, given that I'm not that far away really), and because I will likely miss the spring minitours too, I just *have* to be there in August. Grakkl (Bornich, Rheinland-Pfalz) P.S. Was there an post-Astoria gathering this year? And if not, will there be a plan to put something together for this event? Hope so. P.P.S. Hawkestra (30th yr. anniv.) was in 2000. It seems a year early then, doesn't it? Was this 1969 gig truly a Hawkwind gig, or was it still Group X, or maybe the transitional Hawkwind Zoo. ? What was the lineup? Brock, Turner, Slattery, Harrison, Ollis, DikMik? From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jan 5 15:05:18 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:05:18 -0500 Subject: couple of streaming King Biscuit concerts In-Reply-To: <200901041452.n04EptnX000325@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: cool, thanks for the links. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Jeffcock Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:52 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: couple of streaming King Biscuit concerts Hi, Just found these 2 shows today: http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/20049753-790. html http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/blue-oyster-cult-concert/20049755-790. html First one is from 1976 and has superb versions of Morning Final and This Ain't The Summer Of Love. Second one is from 1986 with Club Ninja material. You have to register to listen to the music, but its simple and just requires your email address. Theres also an Aldo Nova show on the same site and, infact, tons of other stuff too, but no HW. Cheers, Ian. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Jan 6 05:53:16 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:53:16 +0100 Subject: Hawklords! Message-ID: Hello I see the details have now been announced and it is not Space Ritual but a Hawklords event with the original staging from Space Ritual Tour. See below.. I guess it will be music from the Hawklords era as well, which Nik was not part of but Adrian Shaw, Martin Griffin and Harvey all were during this era of the band. Interesting.. I might consider going now... It's official! Hawklords are confirmed to headline an all-day 'implosion' at London's Roundhouse on Sunday, March 8th. Following the success of the now-legendary 'Hernia Bay' Robert Calvert memorial concert, ex-Hawkwind/lords Nik Turner, Jerry Richards, Terry Ollis, Martin Griffin, Alan Davey, Adrian Shaw, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree and Steve Swindells will be performing with special guests, including Bridget Wishart and Huw Lloyd-Langton (more to be confirmed) and four dancers choreographed by Angel Flame. It promises to be a spectacular event, and will also be a special tribute to the late Barney Bubbles, who had such massive creative imput with Hawkwind/lords (an excellent book about BB called 'Reasons To Be Cheerful' by Paul Gorman is now available in Paul Smith shops worldwide). The stage set will be based on his original designs for The Space Ritual, which were never actually used, so this will be a first. Think Pythagorus and the music of the spheres.Doors open at 3pm. 'Space this watch' for more details, including support acts, as they emerge.Tickets are now available from....... http://www. roundhouse. org. uk/whats-on/productions/the-space-ritual-2009-2925 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawklords Merry christmas! scott From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 6 09:46:19 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:46:19 -0500 Subject: Hawklords! In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B15EAD68@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On 06 Jan 2009, at 05:53 , SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I guess it will be music from the Hawklords era as well, which Nik > was not part of but Adrian Shaw, Martin Griffin and Harvey all were > during this era of the band. Interesting.. I might consider going > now... And Steve Swindells! Who I always thought seemed pretty cool and relaxed towards the whole flailing ball of wire that is the HW legacy. :) "Shot Down in the Night" is one of my favourite songs from the Hawkfamily repertoire that seems to get forgotten or sidelined. If I were in the band, I'd trot that out on tour all the time. :) Great riff, great melody, and space in the middle for as much of a jam as you could ask for. I'll have to record a cover some day .... Cheers -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jan 6 10:06:21 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:06:21 -0500 Subject: Hawklords! In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B15EAD68@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Hi Scott, Thanks for the details and I hope you do go to the show. I'll be reading to get reviews. I wish you the best for this year, for me it can't get any worse. Have fun, and if you speak with Nik or Harvey please pass along my greetings. Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of SHLL (Scott Heller) Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:53 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawklords! Hello I see the details have now been announced and it is not Space Ritual but a Hawklords event with the original staging from Space Ritual Tour. See below.. I guess it will be music from the Hawklords era as well, which Nik was not part of but Adrian Shaw, Martin Griffin and Harvey all were during this era of the band. Interesting.. I might consider going now... It's official! Hawklords are confirmed to headline an all-day 'implosion' at London's Roundhouse on Sunday, March 8th. Following the success of the now-legendary 'Hernia Bay' Robert Calvert memorial concert, ex-Hawkwind/lords Nik Turner, Jerry Richards, Terry Ollis, Martin Griffin, Alan Davey, Adrian Shaw, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree and Steve Swindells will be performing with special guests, including Bridget Wishart and Huw Lloyd-Langton (more to be confirmed) and four dancers choreographed by Angel Flame. It promises to be a spectacular event, and will also be a special tribute to the late Barney Bubbles, who had such massive creative imput with Hawkwind/lords (an excellent book about BB called 'Reasons To Be Cheerful' by Paul Gorman is now available in Paul Smith shops worldwide). The stage set will be based on his original designs for The Space Ritual, which were never actually used, so this will be a first. Think Pythagorus and the music of the spheres.Doors open at 3pm. 'Space this watch' for more details, including support acts, as they emerge.Tickets are now available from....... http://www. roundhouse. org. uk/whats-on/productions/the-space-ritual-2009-2925 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawklords Merry christmas! scott From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jan 6 15:23:03 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:23:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ron Asheton of the Stooges passed away :( Message-ID: For the semi-obit on the BBC's site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7814150.stm Jason. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 7 08:54:42 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:54:42 +0000 Subject: OT - Charlie (70's AOR Band) - OGWT and JP Sessions wanted Message-ID: Sorry for this but I am looking to find sessions by Charlie, a 70's UK AOR band. If anyone avidly collected (Taped) the John Peel Sessions from the radio, I'm hoping they may have these. Also looking for the Old Grey Whistle Test session as well. Also looking for any live performances that may have been recorded in the States as part of tours with Yes, who they supported, and I also believe they did college circuits which seemed to spawn a number of tapes by other bands, so here's hoping. If anyone can help I'd be grateful and obviously pay for any media needed. Again apologies for the OT post (there doesn't seem to be a Charlie forum) but I have been looking for a while and hope someone can help. Many thanks. Regards, Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Jan 8 05:55:10 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:55:10 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JANUARY 8, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #209). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #209) Earthling Society - "Tempel ov Flaming Youth" (from forthcoming Sci-Fi Hi-Fi) Helices Fold - "Tangerine Sea" (from Partially Aware) Omnia Opera - "Omnia Opera" (from Celebrate for Change) GR & Full Blown Expansion - "The Intercessor" (from GR & Full Blown Expansion) Gunslingers - "San Pedro Hallucination" (from No More Invention) My Sleeping Karma - "A-Steya" (from Satya) The Kings of Frog Island - "Welcome To The Void" (from 2) Quarkspace - "Fake Leaping Violinists" (from Spacefolds 9) Michael Moorcock & The Deep Fix - "Every Gun Plays Its Own Tune" / "Pierrot in the Roof Garden" (from The Entropy Tango & Gloriana Demo Sessions) Fun Mystery Song Krel - "Space Trip" / "Saturation" / "Pity Really" (from Lost in Space) Telestrion - "Lost in the Sky" (from Telestrion) Jet Jaguar - "Master of the Universe" (from Live/Deathrace) High Watt Electrocutions - "Sonic Maelstrom (9:30 pm)" (from Night Songs) Antrilon - "Captured.. Voices from Beyond" (from Mind Erase) Erek Gita - "Tablantarde" (from Pimalia sampler: Smatterings Volume One) Kyron - "Das Ortsgebiet" (from City Made of Teeth) Mandragora - "Talking to God (part iv)" (from Temple Ball: Live '94) http://Aural-Innovations.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jan 8 13:40:00 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:40:00 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: seeking April 3rd or 4th gig in Philadelphia or New Jersey Greetings friends,I am just beginning to book shows for Spring of 2009. I want to start the season on Friday April 3rd or Saturday April 4th ( preferably the 3rd ).This will be a birthday bash for me, so I am hoping to get more people out than usual to help me celebrate. Ideally I would like to play in Philadelphia or Central/South Jersey, as this is where most of my friends live. I would not be adverse to doing a double or multiple bill with another band if there is anyone out there who is looking for an additional act on this/these nightsCheers! Mike Burro ( One Eyed Bishops and SLOTERDIJK ) http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jan 8 13:43:13 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:43:13 +0000 Subject: OT: seeking April 3rd or 4th gig in Philadelphia and or South/Central New Jersey Message-ID: seeking April 3rd or 4th gig in Philadelphia or New Jersey Greetings friends,I am just beginning to book shows for Spring of 2009. I want to start the season on Friday April 3rd or Saturday April 4th ( preferably the 3rd ).This will be a birthday bash for me, so I am hoping to get more people out than usual to help me celebrate. Ideally I would like to play in Philadelphia or Cenral/South Jersey, as these are where most of my friends live. I would not be adverse to doing a double or multiple bill with another band if there is anyone out there who is looking for an additional act on this/these nightsCheers! Mike Burro ( One Eyed Bishops and SLOTERDIJK ) http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Sat Jan 10 19:43:15 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:43:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check this cartoon out! http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=292215db1fd432e8d2db6fb9a8902bda 1.Warning: 72 MB. It probably won't play right if your computer was made before 2003, or has an old movie player (the best all-around player on any computer is often "VLC"). What happens then is it freezes alot or won't play at all. Unfortunately when I compress it I can't tell what machines it works on most universally. The compression software kind of sucks (iMovie HD). 2. This isn't finished so it won't always make sense or look good here and there. Particularly, the space scene and the dogfight at the end. I beg of you to KEEP A LID ON IT- that is, don't transmit the file (my name isn't even on it and I'd like people to see it the first time only when it's complete. In your case, you are a highly specialized audience). 3.Judge Trev: Yes, I know I'd need permission from you and various other people, perhaps even a record company to use clips from Space Invaders before sending it to any film festivals. It would be some time before that happened and I have plans to change all the other music especially, and sadly the Bonzo Dog Band track On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, trev wrote: > the tf starfighter was nothing compared to the english electric lightning > p1b, which had similar speed but was far more manoeverable and could fly in > all weathers. over 100 german pilots were killed in starfighters during > non-combat flights > > i'm thinking of putting on a judge fest this year > > why doesn't coleman just shuttup completely? > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference? > > why those are the _sonic boom killers_ >> >> On 1/2/09, Edmund Clout wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly >>> though, >>> or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine >>> >>> http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm >>> >>> It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. >>> >>> Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and >>> the >>> right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did train >>> in >>> it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: >>> http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm >>> >>> The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. >>> >>> Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? >>> >>> Mundo >>> !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! >>> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> >>> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > >>> <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: >>> http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> >>> >>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg >>> > >>> > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing in >>> WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling >>> magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has >>> an >>> article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > >>> it >>> for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > >>> custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right >>> Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I guess >>> is >>> possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. >>> I've >>> not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret >>> HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' >>> out >>> loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale >>> library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', >>> although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so >>> obscure.> >> > Mundo> > >>> _________________________________________________________________> > >>> Imagine >>> a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ >>> >> >> -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Sat Jan 10 19:54:41 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:54:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert reference?/////// Hold on, that's not the right link Message-ID: Here's the right one: http://www.mediafire.com/?mdennznzz2o "click here to download"-- watch out for the ads! -Owen On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Owen O'Neill wrote: > Check this cartoon out! > > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=292215db1fd432e8d2db6fb9a8902bda > > > 1.Warning: 72 MB. It probably won't play right if your computer was made > before 2003, or has an old movie player (the best all-around player on any > computer is often "VLC"). What happens then is it freezes alot or won't play > at all. Unfortunately when I compress it I can't tell what machines it works > on most universally. The compression software kind of sucks (iMovie HD). > > 2. This isn't finished so it won't always make sense or look good here and > there. Particularly, the space scene and the dogfight at the end. I beg of > you to KEEP A LID ON IT- that is, don't transmit the file (my name isn't > even on it and I'd like people to see it the first time only when it's > complete. In your case, you are a highly specialized audience). > > 3.Judge Trev: Yes, I know I'd need permission from you and various other > people, perhaps even a record company to use clips from Space Invaders > before sending it to any film festivals. It would be some time before that > happened and I have plans to change all the other music especially, and > sadly the Bonzo Dog Band track > > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, trev wrote: > >> the tf starfighter was nothing compared to the english electric lightning >> p1b, which had similar speed but was far more manoeverable and could fly in >> all weathers. over 100 german pilots were killed in starfighters during >> non-combat flights >> >> i'm thinking of putting on a judge fest this year >> >> why doesn't coleman just shuttup completely? >> >> trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference? >> >> why those are the _sonic boom killers_ >>> >>> On 1/2/09, Edmund Clout wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, nice photos of Tomcats. Not sure how that follows directly >>>> though, >>>> or is it just tangental? Here's a link for the model magazine >>>> >>>> http://www.sampublications.com/sampubs.htm >>>> >>>> It's volume 15 issue 1, the current issue at the moment. >>>> >>>> Aha, just looked on the second page of google stuff re.'starfighter and >>>> the >>>> right stuff', and it's all over the film and all the astronauts did >>>> train in >>>> it so it's not really a HW reference, except in my head! see this page: >>>> http://www.vmaxmarketing.com/starfighters_foundation.htm >>>> >>>> The first paragraph in the 'about Starfighters' section. >>>> >>>> Any rumblings about a Hawkfest this year? >>>> >>>> Mundo >>>> !!!Hooray for spring tour!!! >>>> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:28:31 -0600> From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> >>>> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> >>>> > >>>> <*>: http://www.brentkeener.com/Stuff/boom.jpg> <*>: >>>> http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/F/sound_barrier7sm.jpg> <*>:> >>>> >>>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/images/050808_soundbarrier.jpg >>>> > >>>> > On 1/1/09, Edmund Clout wrote:> >> > Browsing >>>> in >>>> WHSmith yesterday looking at (not reading for free, honest!)> > cycling >>>> magazines, I noticed the current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller> > has >>>> an >>>> article on the TF-104 Starfighter titled 'The Right Stuff'. I scanned> > >>>> it >>>> for Calvert/HW references, but it was all about obsure variations and> > >>>> custom decal sheets. Did wonder if the assoiciation of the 'The Right >>>> Stuff'> > phrase with the Starfighter comes from Tom Wolfe, which I >>>> guess is >>>> possible> > if the Mercury astronauts trqained in them or some thing. >>>> I've >>>> not read the> > book or watched the film. If not then there's a secret >>>> HW/Calvert Fan at> > SAM! And it did make me exclaim 'That's Hawkwind' >>>> out >>>> loud in public to no> > one in particular!> > On the subject Rochdale >>>> library has a Bryan Talbot graphic novel thingy> > called 'Brainstorm', >>>> although I think he knew exactly what he was doing so> > it's not so >>>> obscure.> >> > Mundo> > >>>> _________________________________________________________________> > >>>> Imagine >>>> a life without walls. See the possibilities.> > >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Live Search presents Big Snap II - win John Lewis vouchers >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ >>>> >>> >>> > > > -- > .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 11 14:00:22 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:00:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Oslo 18. April Message-ID: Well, I'll be there this april 18th. Rockefeller is a nice large venue with a balcony for throwing beer glasses at the stage (kidding! when Motorhead played there in 97 I saw about 50 glasses being thrown and Lemmy complained to the crowd). Well, last time HW were in Norway was in 2005 in Bergen and I was there too, and I hooked up with the Tarkus magazine crew (Jon Christian). And I was at Alaska 1991 in Oslo, attending my first HW show. Of course my 2nd HW show was the grand experience of Limelight NYC 1995. I expect the Rockefeller show to be Awesome like the Limelight as its a great and spacious venue! Anyone in Oslo at the time to hook up with? Christian (who took his name "The Embalmer" from the flick "Withnail & I" but is otherwise "Mostly Harmless") :-) From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Jan 12 08:52:03 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:52:03 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Greek EP Message-ID: Not seen this one before http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/THE-HAWKWIND-EP-ONLY-GREEK-PROMO-DIGIPACK-CD_W0QQitemZ270298744910QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_CDs?hash=item270298744910&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1297%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Porcupine Tree had something similar which was originally a cover mount of a magazine. Is this one of those? Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jan 12 10:03:04 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Greek EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/12/09, Steve Freight wrote: > > Not seen this one before > > Porcupine Tree had something similar which was originally a cover mount of > a > magazine. Is this one of those? yes. this item goes baclk to at least 2002. I had one sealed up with the magazine, sh$t...... not hard to get, shows on ebay often (cd by itself anyway) also, BTW, as you may have guessed, nothing yet on the decoding process....... From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Jan 12 10:27:20 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:27:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901120703x13babb69s8608b1355d1d7e38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is undergoing reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which makes sense, as it was the only thing being updated). For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, you will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you already know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue Oyster Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it get out in the first place? Jason. CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Mon Jan 12 10:54:54 2009 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:54:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting listening. I'd buy it if it was released. 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is > undergoing > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which makes > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). > > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, you > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you already > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue Oyster > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. > > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it get > out in the first place? > > Jason. > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. > From denis at PTI-INC.DE Mon Jan 12 14:20:58 2009 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:20:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mekan=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EFk_Desktrukt=EFw_Kommand=F6h?= - Mishea rd Lyrics Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just need to share this hilarious youtube-flic: misheard Magma- lyrics with a slightly philosophical touch.... :-) (c)IAO D+R From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 13 08:14:26 2009 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (Swartz, John A.) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:14:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos Message-ID: This is somewhat disturbing news as it sounds like someone got the original mixes from Albert Bouchard and uploaded them - presumably without his knowledge or permission. John > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Allen [mailto:mysterioso at GMAIL.COM] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > > I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting listening. > I'd buy it if it was released. > > 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton > > > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is > > undergoing > > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which makes > > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). > > > > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, you > > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you already > > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's > > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue Oyster > > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. > > > > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it get > > out in the first place? > > > > Jason. > > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. > > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jan 13 09:07:47 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:07:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Speaking of websites, who hosts the BOC FAQ now, as http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ (and all other AOL hometown pages) were shut down? J. On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:14:26 -0500, "Swartz, John A." wrote: > This is somewhat disturbing news as it sounds like someone got the original > mixes from Albert Bouchard and uploaded them - presumably without his > knowledge or permission. > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Allen [mailto:mysterioso at GMAIL.COM] >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:55 AM >> Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos >> >> I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting > listening. >> I'd buy it if it was released. >> >> 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton >> >> > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is >> > undergoing >> > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which > makes >> > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). >> > >> > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, > you >> > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you > already >> > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's >> > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue > Oyster >> > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. >> > >> > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it > get >> > out in the first place? >> > >> > Jason. >> > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. >> > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Jan 13 12:36:13 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:36:13 +0100 Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed Message-ID: http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/latest%20news.htm From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 13 13:13:09 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:13:09 -0600 Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed In-Reply-To: <1LMnAn-1yFc5A0@fwd10.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, bernhard.pospiech wrote: :Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed : :http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/latest%20news.htm Is it all day for both days? Anyone know? The announcement isn't very detailed :-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Jan 13 13:21:11 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:21:11 +0000 Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Top Question Arin, Cos its a normal working day in he UK, i'd have it down as a late start.. But no details as yet. Iain Bernhard - has your Yule present arrived yet ? On 13 Jan 2009, at 18:13, Arin Komins wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > > :Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed > : > :http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/latest%20news.htm > > Is it all day for both days? Anyone know? The announcement isn't > very > detailed :-) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Jan 13 13:32:17 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:32:17 +0100 Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed In-Reply-To: <98F022D5-4F65-435B-A1D7-F8684C1FEA6C@aol.com> Message-ID: Not yet Iain. I expect it tomorrow or Thursday See you all on 29.08.2009 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Iain Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:21 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed Top Question Arin, Cos its a normal working day in he UK, i'd have it down as a late start.. But no details as yet. Iain Bernhard - has your Yule present arrived yet ? On 13 Jan 2009, at 18:13, Arin Komins wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > > :Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed > : > :http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/latest%20news.htm > > Is it all day for both days? Anyone know? The announcement isn't > very detailed :-) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 13 14:59:13 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:59:13 +0000 Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed In-Reply-To: <1LMo33-1LjwQ40@fwd00.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Seetickets website has fridays show starting at 4pm. Would it be a bit selfish to go to both, given demand seems to be larger than supply!? I've got tickets with mate for Saturday, tempted to do both but know he can't do both. Pros for going Saturday: Will have sorted any snags, things they'd not thought of etc. Cons for Saturday: More likely to have sold out of juicy merchandise (Still not got Spacemelt and want the New Doremi T-shirt with back print and the Space Ritual one too. Didn't have enough cash at Manchester) Also just checked it out and Notting Hill Carnival is 23rd & 24th August this year, not the bank holiday weekend. Again this has pros and cons (considerably less hassle vs. don't get to go to carnival too) Mundo> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:32:17 +0100> From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE> Subject: Re: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > Not yet Iain.> I expect it tomorrow or Thursday> > > See you all on 29.08.2009 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > > Cheers> Bernhard > > -----Original Message-----> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On> Behalf Of Iain Ferguson> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:21 PM> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> Subject: Re: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed> > Top Question Arin,> > Cos its a normal working day in he UK, i'd have it down as a late start..> But no details as yet.> > Iain> > Bernhard - has your Yule present arrived yet ?> > > On 13 Jan 2009, at 18:13, Arin Komins wrote:> > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, bernhard.pospiech wrote:> >> > :Subject: 2nd Porchester Hall show confirmed> > :> > :http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/latest%20news.htm> >> > Is it all day for both days? Anyone know? The announcement isn't > > very detailed :-)> >> > Arin> > --> > ------------------------------------------------------------------> > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu> > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture> > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087> > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Are you a PC?? Upload your PC story and show the world http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465942/direct/01/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jan 13 15:37:22 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:37:22 -0500 Subject: What American radio should be Message-ID: This is fun stuff, and you may be familiar with Astral Al. Enjoy. Mary ?? Hey faithful listeners ??????????? All four chapters of the show are now online! ??????????? 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From jt_ at COX.NET Tue Jan 13 15:41:08 2009 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:41:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They've been circulating for awhile .. I heard them about 5 years ago. They sound like they were dubbed from a cassette and have a lot of distortion, if they're the same ones I heard. They just made me wish that Albert could magically get his own version of the album out as it should have been without the contributions of Bloom and Dharma. ---- "Swartz wrote: > This is somewhat disturbing news as it sounds like someone got the original mixes from Albert Bouchard and uploaded them - presumably without his knowledge or permission. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Allen [mailto:mysterioso at GMAIL.COM] > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:55 AM > > Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > > > > I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting listening. > > I'd buy it if it was released. > > > > 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton > > > > > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is > > > undergoing > > > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which makes > > > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). > > > > > > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, you > > > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you already > > > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's > > > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue Oyster > > > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. > > > > > > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it get > > > out in the first place? > > > > > > Jason. > > > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. > > > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 13 17:00:05 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:05 EST Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... Message-ID: Like your music LOUD? The Government say You Shouldn't Do That. They're planning to make it a law that it will all be mamby pambied so no-one will leave a gig with their ears ringing. There's a link to a petition below. Please "sign" it. There's an opinion that petitions are a waste of time. They are only a waste of time if you don't sign them. There is a deadline of 23rd January so GO... _http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/_ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/) Steve From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 17:05:48 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:05:48 +0000 Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:05 EST, you sent through the ether: >The Government say You Shouldn't Do That. >They're planning to make it a law that it will all be mamby pambied And people thought Thatcher was bad, she was NOTHING compared to this bunch of Orwellian control freaks. -S. -Personal quality of life currently 45% of what it was 10 years ago. From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Tue Jan 13 17:21:45 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:21:45 -0500 Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Steve Pond wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:05 EST, you sent through the ether: > > >The Government say You Shouldn't Do That. > >They're planning to make it a law that it will all be mamby pambied > > > And people thought Thatcher was bad, she was NOTHING compared to this > bunch of Orwellian control freaks. > > -S. > -Personal quality of life currently 45% of what it was 10 years ago. > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 13 17:52:58 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:52:58 EST Subject: OT Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... Message-ID: In a message dated 13/01/2009 22:06:25 GMT Standard Time, Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK writes: Personal quality of life currently 45% of what it was 10 years ago. It's shite isn't it. The state this country is in, and the wasted time spent on endless meetings about things that aren't going to help. They are in a position of power. They can't do much, so they try to enforce things like this, and whether one can eat a hot or cold sandwich at ones desk. If a buiscuit is dipped in a hot drink, is it considered to be hot food. You can have a cup of soup but you can't dip your bread in it. What is the ambient temperature that takes it from cold to hot? All this unemployment and this is what is decided after hours of meetings by management and those in power. It stinks! Sorry for the rant. Steve. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 14:25:17 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:25:17 +0000 Subject: Kings Of Speed bonus track on the Deep Fix Esoteric reissue Message-ID: I see Esoteric have reissued "New World's Fair" with a bonus track. Is this the same KoS thats on the Dojo "Warrior on The Edge of Time" CD or the instrumental found on "Mighty HW Classics" etc.? Otherwise its not worth it for semi completists as I already own the Griffin box+book AND the Dojo reissue of this CD. Plus a zillion of the other versions. Hoping its an exclusive version though, as its a Moorcock lyric about Jerry Cornelius & co. doing their mischief as usual......... would be cool to hear Moorcock sing it... Christian From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jan 13 18:31:08 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:31:08 EST Subject: OT Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: Message-ID: On 13 Jan 2009, at 5:52 PM, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > Sorry for the rant. I'm sorry but the management committee hasn't reported back yet on how many words expressing sentiments of dissatisfaction and/or disapproval it takes to determine whether a communication is merely a moan or actually a rant. Until then, you are obliged not to label your discourse inappropriately. See that you refrain from doing so in the future. You could get in big trouble. Sincerely, The Powers That Be. ;-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 13 20:42:28 2009 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:42:28 EST Subject: Kings Of Speed bonus track on the Deep Fix Esoteric reissue Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/2009 6:29:12 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Is this the same KoS thats on the Dojo "Warrior on The Edge of Time" CD or the instrumental found on "Mighty HW Classics" etc. It's neither. It's the original(?) Deep Fix version with Mr. M singing. Same lyrics as Hawkwind's version, but different chords and melody. Joe **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jan 14 00:18:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:18:07 -0500 Subject: OT Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the Zappa quote. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:41 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OT Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... On 13 Jan 2009, at 5:52 PM, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > Sorry for the rant. I'm sorry but the management committee hasn't reported back yet on how many words expressing sentiments of dissatisfaction and/or disapproval it takes to determine whether a communication is merely a moan or actually a rant. Until then, you are obliged not to label your discourse inappropriately. See that you refrain from doing so in the future. You could get in big trouble. Sincerely, The Powers That Be. ;-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 14 05:15:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:15:31 -0600 Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/13/09, Steve Pond wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:05 EST, you sent through the ether: > >The Government say You Shouldn't Do That. > >They're planning to make it a law that it will all be mamby pambied > And people thought Thatcher was bad, she was NOTHING compared to this > bunch of Orwellian control freaks. > > -S. > -Personal quality of life currently 45% of what it was 10 years ago. > I don't know what it's like over there, but going from my own experience over here, I say they go after the maligned "home theater syndrome" you know, these people who are too fearful or old for drug experimentation, so as soon as they arrive home from work it's not only willful hypnotism at it's best (I liken the addiction to allowing Michael Jackson and Brittney Spears into your private residence nightly to swing a gold watch in your face and implant their agendas), and as if this doesn't firmly make you a farm animal it's usually damned LOUD....excess subwoofers, 20 channel 360 sound, etc it's your home, if I want to get blown away, I'll pay to go to a movie!!! the only things worse are space-rock addiction (worse than the opiates), you know, when the addict has to buy ANYTHING with a synth swish on it, and the "end of the road" most deadly one, lucklily rarer, "middle aged video game addiction" some of us once had a friend named Mark Owen......we'd like him back....it's been YEARS!!! From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Jan 14 06:19:02 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:19:02 -0500 Subject: Atomhenge Series - Anyone had delivery of ASAM, Hawklords etc yet ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi anyone had delivery yet ? mine ordered, and waiting, the folks who signed up to collect the lot will get delivery 1st, so wondering if you've got them yet ? Iain ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 14 10:34:02 2009 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (Swartz, John A.) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:34:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos Message-ID: Yeah, AOL without warning dropped their web-hosting, and so my site is gone. I still have a copy of the FAQ on my computer, although I have not updated it in about 7 years. If anyone wants to host it on their webpage, and/or take over updating it, let me know. John > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Scruton [mailto:js3619 at ACMENET.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > > Speaking of websites, who hosts the BOC FAQ now, as > http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ (and all other AOL hometown pages) were > shut down? > > J. > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:14:26 -0500, "Swartz, John A." > wrote: > > This is somewhat disturbing news as it sounds like someone got the > original > > mixes from Albert Bouchard and uploaded them - presumably without his > > knowledge or permission. > > > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Allen [mailto:mysterioso at GMAIL.COM] > >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > >> > >> I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting > > listening. > >> I'd buy it if it was released. > >> > >> 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton > >> > >> > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is > >> > undergoing > >> > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which > > makes > >> > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). > >> > > >> > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, > > you > >> > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you > > already > >> > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's > >> > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue > > Oyster > >> > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. > >> > > >> > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it > > get > >> > out in the first place? > >> > > >> > Jason. > >> > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. > >> > From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jan 14 10:51:52 2009 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (David Bottomley) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:51:52 -0000 Subject: Atomhenge Series - Anyone had delivery of ASAM, Hawklords etc yet ? In-Reply-To: <8CB445109A0841F-628-2191@WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Iain asked: > anyone had delivery yet ? > mine ordered, and waiting, the folks who signed up to collect > the lot will get delivery 1st, so wondering if you've got them yet ? Hi Iain Yep, they arrived Monday morning (ordered shortly after release was announced). They all sound fantastic, though I've not carried out any direct comparisons with older versions. I seem to recall that the Griffin release of Live Chronicles wasn't brilliant in the sound quality dept. & my *impression* is that the Atomhenge version sounds much better. And the packaging is great. Musically, the highlights for me would be the demos on 25 Years On. I'm not normally a fan of having demos grafted onto albums, but these are well worth hearing, IMHO. So, on the whole, I'd say that Atomhenge/Esoteric have done a terrific job so far. Ok, they're not perfect - for example, Live Chronicles is advertised as the complete show, but it's still missing the first part of Brainstorm & the encore (although I can understand the view that inclusion of the latter would have spoiled the flow, I'd still have like to have seen it included). But I don't want to loose wight of the fact that they're so much better than they could've been. Now that the March releases have been announced, I simply can't wait for the expanded, 2CD version of "Quark". Wonder if the Rudolph demos will be included? Dave From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Jan 14 11:58:27 2009 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:58:27 +0000 Subject: BOC: website changes and Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have more space than I have things to do with it following the implosion of the Flat Dereth Society. Let's talk. -- -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net -------------- Original message from "Swartz, John A." : -------------- Yeah, AOL without warning dropped their web-hosting, and so my site is gone. I still have a copy of the FAQ on my computer, although I have not updated it in about 7 years. If anyone wants to host it on their webpage, and/or take over > updating it, let me know. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Scruton [mailto:js3619 at ACMENET.NET] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:08 AM > > Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > > > > Speaking of websites, who hosts the BOC FAQ now, as > > http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ (and all other AOL hometown pages) were > > shut down? > > > > J. > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:14:26 -0500, "Swartz, John A." > > wrote: > > > This is somewhat disturbing news as it sounds like someone got the > > original > > > mixes from Albert Bouchard and uploaded them - presumably without his > > > knowledge or permission. > > > > > > John > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Chris Allen [mailto:mysterioso at GMAIL.COM] > > >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:55 AM > > >> Subject: Re: BOC: website changes and Imaginos > > >> > > >> I downloaded it myself a few months ago. It makes interesting > > > listening. > > >> I'd buy it if it was released. > > >> > > >> 2009/1/12 Jason Scruton > > >> > > >> > After a long spell of inactivity, it seems blueoystercult.com is > > >> > undergoing > > >> > reconfiguration -- only the tour date page is accessible now (which > > > makes > > >> > sense, as it was the only thing being updated). > > >> > > > >> > For what it's worth, if you search of imaginos on bit torrent sites, > > > you > > >> > will find an early mix of the album featuring all the songs you > > > already > > >> > know with their original vocals, mostly different guitar solos, Al's > > >> > vocals, the Magna of Illusion's 1st verse a cappella style, Blue > > > Oyster > > >> > Cult (Reprise), Gil Blanco County and Girl that Love Made Blind. > > >> > > > >> > The real mystery (besides where is Allen Lanier) is this: how did it > > > get > > >> > out in the first place? > > >> > > > >> > Jason. > > >> > CD: "Breaking Point" - Psychic Circle (aka Nick Saloman) compilation. > > >> > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 20:52:14 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:52:14 +0000 Subject: Kings Of Speed bonus track on the Deep Fix Esoteric reissue Message-ID: its a must have then! Thanks for info. Damn, another ten pounds for Cherry Red. :) In a message dated 1/13/2009 6:29:12 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Is this the same KoS thats on the Dojo "Warrior on The Edge of Time" CD or the instrumental found on "Mighty HW Classics" etc. It's neither. It's the original(?) Deep Fix version with Mr. M singing. Same lyrics as Hawkwind's version, but different chords and melody. Joe **************New year....new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 14:34:33 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:34:33 GMT Subject: Wanted: Saturday 40th anniversary ticket Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 14 14:50:29 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:50:29 -0600 Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you know I was thinking, short of my catch-all answer for everything being violence and terror in the streets and total mayhem protest, what about bands simply rating their output, and this could play in favor both directions.... also, last I checked people were free to leave, bar some supposed Hawkwind gigs or Throbbing Gristle ones of years past... I guess refunds wouldn't work...hmm On 1/13/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > Like your music LOUD? > The Government say You Shouldn't Do That. > They're planning to make it a law that it will all be mamby pambied so > no-one will leave a gig with their ears ringing. > There's a link to a petition below. > Please "sign" it. There's an opinion that petitions are a waste of time. > They are only a waste of time if you don't sign them. > > There is a deadline of 23rd January so GO... > > _http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/_ > (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/) > > Steve > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 14 14:56:00 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:56:00 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Re: Wanted: Saturday 40th anniversary ticket Message-ID: notice how he cleverly coins a term to obscure the fact he wishes to go free.....maybe he thought that would slip by HW fans On 1/14/09, M Holmes wrote: > > I should have got off my lazy butt and it looks like the Saturday > tickets have sold out already. So if anyone turns out to have a pal that > can't go or whatever, do consider delling Yours Truly the ticket. I hate > to miss a good party. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jan 15 10:28:53 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:28:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 06:18:32PM -0000, trev typed out: > the tf starfighter was nothing compared to the english electric lightning > p1b, which had similar speed but was far more manoeverable and could fly in > all weathers. over 100 german pilots were killed in starfighters during > non-combat flights The Lightning was rather faster, in fact. When I was at school we went on a visit to RAF Coningsby, and one of the fitters told us that the older pilots had never forgiven the RAF for taking away their Mach 2.5 phallic symbols. Odd thing about the Starfighter is that although both Germany and Canada lost horrifying numbers of them, Spain never lost one in a crash and they flew them for a long time, and Italy, which has only just retired their rebuilt F-104S interceptors, also has a fairly good accident record with them. Seems like there was something pretty powerful in procedures that could go wrong. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 15 17:43:37 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:43:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert reference? In-Reply-To: <20090115152853.GC22556@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: F-86 Super sabre was much more dangerous to pilots. Wackypedia has a good article on the starfighter. Seems to be as much down to inexperienced German pilots as the difficult plane. Most (only?) sensible thing Jeremy Clarkson ever did was put a Lightning in his garden. Mundo > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:28:53 +0000> From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK> Subject: Re: HW: Calvert reference?> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 06:18:32PM -0000, trev typed out:> > the tf starfighter was nothing compared to the english electric lightning > > p1b, which had similar speed but was far more manoeverable and could fly in > > all weathers. over 100 german pilots were killed in starfighters during > > non-combat flights> > The Lightning was rather faster, in fact. When I was at school > we went on a visit to RAF Coningsby, and one of the fitters told us that > the older pilots had never forgiven the RAF for taking away their Mach > 2.5 phallic symbols.> > Odd thing about the Starfighter is that although both Germany > and Canada lost horrifying numbers of them, Spain never lost one in a > crash and they flew them for a long time, and Italy, which has only > just retired their rebuilt F-104S interceptors, also has a fairly good > accident record with them. Seems like there was something pretty > powerful in procedures that could go wrong. Yours,> Jon> > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Jan 15 19:32:53 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:32:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Krankschaft Album update & another freebie In-Reply-To: <20090115152853.GC22556@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Fred & I are still working hard on the Krankschaft album, what started out as a straight transcription of the Herne Bay show is turning into something else entirely, consequently certain songs no longer fit so as usual we're giving them away on the website. Pop over to www.krankschaft.com for the version of Quark Strangeness & charm that won't be on the album! Don't forget to sign up for the mailing list, because as soon as the album is finished we'll be setting up some special live shows. Steve & Fred. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 16 04:10:20 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:10:20 +0000 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <1LIovB-0Mq9s80@fwd11.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 07:39:37PM +0100, bernhard.pospiech typed out: > Who is going ?? > > http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/hawkwind-announce-40th-anniversary-e > xtravaganza/ Well, not I, if as Mike reports it's already sold out. Bloody hell. I'm not used to gigs I want to go to selling out. The Rise Above all-dayer and Roadburn, now this. Who let the world onto the Internet, dammit? I remember when it was just us... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From alfred.koessl at AON.AT Fri Jan 16 06:13:37 2009 From: alfred.koessl at AON.AT (alfred.koessl@aon.at) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:13:37 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: Test From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 16 07:33:57 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:33:57 -0500 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <20090116091020.GE22556@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2009, at 04:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Who let the world onto the Internet, > dammit? I remember when it was just us... It all went to hell after they let AOL out of their garden .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jan 16 08:22:34 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:22:34 -0500 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <46BAF57E-D240-4FCC-91D0-F5B1C7E1A1A8@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Ohhh I don't think thats quite right... They've gainfully employed me for 15 years, and it was crap before that :-) with all that text driven nonsense :-) Don't miss the elitist b*ll*cks of it all back then running at V22, V23 mode and MHS mail.... I blame CompuServe hahahaha, after all they were ones that employed me... Iain -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:33 pm Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND On 16 Jan 2009, at 04:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote:? > Who let the world onto the Internet,? > dammit? I remember when it was just us...? ? It all went to hell after they let AOL out of their garden .... ;)? ? Cheers,? Carl? ? --? Carl Edlund Anderson? http://www.carlaz.com/? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 08:48:03 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:48:03 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/16/09, alfred.koessl at aon.at wrote: > > Test > Hi Alfred, from Dallas, my sincere apologies that there is no Uruguay Hall Of The Mountain Grill on eBay...... I made sure of that........ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 09:17:26 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:17:26 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901160548y208ab800ue8c5bf05ec991456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: that was my way of showing I know about you....... ...and that your posts were coming through...... I came before you with the serious collecting, there used to be just 2 of us.......the good old days..... Nice Israel Urban Guerilla BTW I couldn't even compete......... cheers mike On 1/16/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 1/16/09, alfred.koessl at aon.at wrote: >> >> Test >> > > Hi Alfred, from Dallas, my sincere apologies that there is no Uruguay Hall > Of The Mountain Grill on eBay...... > I made sure of that........ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jan 16 09:47:14 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:47:14 -0500 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <8CB45F4A09BB17B-9F4-FB@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I did the flier as a volunteer for almost 10 years, but it got too big to do without a computer, and if you received it you may remember all we asked for was stamps, if possible. Now, Chris worked his tail off, but the band treated us really well. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of iainferguson at AOL.COM Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:23 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND Ohhh I don't think thats quite right... They've gainfully employed me for 15 years, and it was crap before that :-) with all that text driven nonsense :-) Don't miss the elitist b*ll*cks of it all back then running at V22, V23 mode and MHS mail.... I blame CompuServe hahahaha, after all they were ones that employed me... Iain -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:33 pm Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND On 16 Jan 2009, at 04:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote:? > Who let the world onto the Internet,? > dammit? I remember when it was just us...? ? It all went to hell after they let AOL out of their garden .... ;)? ? Cheers,? Carl? ? --? Carl Edlund Anderson? http://www.carlaz.com/? From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 14:49:51 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:49:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: flying saucer Message-ID: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090113/METRO08/901130364/1408/LOCAL It is actually very hard to find an acrylic or polycarbonate dome of such large dimensions -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 16 14:52:01 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:52:01 -0500 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <8CB45F4A09BB17B-9F4-FB@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2009, at 08:22 , iainferguson at AOL.COM wrote: > I blame CompuServe Another good option. ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 15:47:14 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:47:14 -0600 Subject: 40 years of HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh come now, witness Brian Tawn....face it, whatever Bob Lennon isn't, he even took the saucers..... dangerous indeed On 1/16/09, Mary Sullivan wrote: > > I did the flier as a volunteer for almost 10 years, but it got too big to > do > without a computer, and if you received it you may remember all we asked > for > was stamps, if possible. Now, Chris worked his tail off, but the band > treated us really well. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of iainferguson at AOL.COM > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:23 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND > > > Ohhh I don't think thats quite right... > > They've gainfully employed me for 15 years, and it was crap before that :-) > > with all that text driven nonsense :-) > > Don't miss the elitist b*ll*cks of it all back then running at V22, V23 > mode > and MHS mail.... > > I blame CompuServe hahahaha, after all they were ones that employed me... > > Iain > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:33 pm > Subject: Re: 40 years of HAWKWIND > > > On 16 Jan 2009, at 04:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote:? > > Who let the world onto the Internet,? > > dammit? I remember when it was just us...? > ? > It all went to hell after they let AOL out of their garden .... ;)? > ? > Cheers,? > Carl? > ? > --? > Carl Edlund Anderson? > http://www.carlaz.com/? > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 16:52:16 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:52:16 -0600 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901160617j553c6463pe06c438b7c918eed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: please forgive another day's psyche moleman board clutter, but I do not wish to be misunderstood: I was tipping my hat (here), not really bitter or mean at all...... I was simply damned proud that I found a Uruguay Mt. Grill for a friend..... for ( a possible) few interested people- it comes in a "plastic bag sleeve" WTF?? anyway, I quickly found that statistically Hawkhoggers thrive when they hunt in packs I will not direct anything further towards you unless you become a participant great tweakends to you all...... mike c ...and welcome On 1/16/09, mike coleman wrote: > > that was my way of showing I know about you....... > ...and that your posts were coming through...... > I came before you with the serious collecting, there used to be just 2 of > us.......the good old days..... > Nice Israel Urban Guerilla BTW > I couldn't even compete......... > cheers > mike > > > On 1/16/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> >> On 1/16/09, alfred.koessl at aon.at wrote: >>> >>> Test >>> >> >> Hi Alfred, from Dallas, my sincere apologies that there is no Uruguay Hall >> Of The Mountain Grill on eBay...... >> I made sure of that........ >> > > From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 18:43:04 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:43:04 -0500 Subject: What American radio should be In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please send links to any other sci-fi radio programs you find. Archive.org has hundreds of classic shows. Below are their collections from "Dimension X" and "X Minus One" (X Minus One part B doesn't seem to work right now): http://www.archive.org/details/Dimension-X http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1_A http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1B http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1C One of my favorite stories is "Destination Moon". Here are links for the "CBS Radio Mystery Theater" http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk1 http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk2 http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk3 Lots more under the keywords "OTR" or "Old Time Radio" and I haven't looked for newer or amateur stuff yet on there. Apparently you get new radio drama on XM, too. I haven't heard those new Doctor Who episodes yet. I prefer listening to that professional American sound from back in the day. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Mary Sullivan < maryann.sullivan1 at verizon.net> wrote: > This is fun stuff, and you may be familiar with Astral Al. Enjoy. > > Mary > > > > Hey faithful listeners > > All four chapters of the show are now online! > > Chapter 1 is at the bottom of the page and four is on top with > 2 > & 3 in between (wow just like counting!) > > The DNA Players have created their first audio drama! It's a podcast that > you can either listen to online or download to your mp3 player! > > It's a four part drama entitled Baron Mephisto the Mystic Vampire: the Dark > Hand of the Zombie. It's a gothic supernatural melodrama in the style of > the > Shadow radio plays! > > The soundtrack is by Dr. Hercules, Rebecca Pavia (director of > the great horror cable show Shilling Shockers), Spaceseed, Walter Sickert & > the > Army of Broken Toys, and Astro Al (what a surprise huh?) > > Click here to check it out! > > http://www.gcast.com/u/dnaplayers/main > > Thanks and stay ghoul! > > Paul Angelosanto > > www.heifer.org > > www.astroal.com > > www.myspace.com/astroal > > www.youtube.com/astroal > > www.soundclick.com/astroal > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Jan 16 18:47:40 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:47:40 +0000 Subject: What American radio should be In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:43:04 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Apparently you get new radio drama >on XM, too. Sirius-XM have a "Radio Classics" channel, I just flipped it on and "The Time Machine" is playing.. excellent! Warlocks ahoy! -Steve www.krankschaft.com -Please use our forum, we feel ignored. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 17 00:00:32 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:00:32 -0500 Subject: What American radio should be In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Owen, Check out the following email. I think you'll enjoy the show. Mary Mary Thanks! Most kind of you. Sorry you had trouble. Its just the way gcast works. Its not the greatest site but it was free and easy to use from an upload stand point. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Sullivan [mailto:maryann.sullivan1 at verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:37 PM To: ange Subject: RE: all 4 chapters of Baron Mephisto the Mystic Vampire are online! Hi Paul, I posted your latest email on both the yahoo and block quote Boc Hawkwind forums. I hope you get some feedback. Now I want to look around your site. If you don't hear from me send out a search party. Love, Mary -----Original Message----- From: ange [mailto:astroal at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:56 AM To: astroal at comcast.net Subject: all 4 chapters of Baron Mephisto the Mystic Vampire are online! Hey faithful listeners All four chapters of the show are now online! Chapter 1 is at the bottom of the page and four is on top with 2 & 3 in between (wow just like counting!) The DNA Players have created their first audio drama! It?s a podcast that you can either listen to online or download to your mp3 player! It?s a four part drama entitled Baron Mephisto the Mystic Vampire: the Dark Hand of the Zombie. It?s a gothic supernatural melodrama in the style of the Shadow radio plays! The soundtrack is by Dr. Hercules, Rebecca Pavia (director of the great horror cable show Shilling Shockers), Spaceseed, Walter Sickert & the Army of Broken Toys, and Astro Al (what a surprise huh?) Click here to check it out! http://www.gcast.com/u/dnaplayers/main Thanks and stay ghoul! Paul Angelosanto www.heifer.org www.astroal.com www.myspace.com/astroal www.youtube.com/astroal www.soundclick.com/astroal block quote end -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Owen O'Neill Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:43 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: What American radio should be Please send links to any other sci-fi radio programs you find. Archive.org has hundreds of classic shows. Below are their collections from "Dimension X" and "X Minus One" (X Minus One part B doesn't seem to work right now): http://www.archive.org/details/Dimension-X http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1_A http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1B http://www.archive.org/details/XMinus1C One of my favorite stories is "Destination Moon". Here are links for the "CBS Radio Mystery Theater" http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk1 http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk2 http://www.archive.org/details/CbsRadioMysteryTheaterDisk3 Lots more under the keywords "OTR" or "Old Time Radio" and I haven't looked for newer or amateur stuff yet on there. Apparently you get new radio drama on XM, too. I haven't heard those new Doctor Who episodes yet. I prefer listening to that professional American sound from back in the day. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Mary Sullivan < maryann.sullivan1 at verizon.net> wrote: > This is fun stuff, and you may be familiar with Astral Al. Enjoy. > > Mary > > > > Hey faithful listeners > > All four chapters of the show are now online! > > Chapter 1 is at the bottom of the page and four is on top with > 2 > & 3 in between (wow just like counting!) > > The DNA Players have created their first audio drama! It's a podcast that > you can either listen to online or download to your mp3 player! > > It's a four part drama entitled Baron Mephisto the Mystic Vampire: the Dark > Hand of the Zombie. It's a gothic supernatural melodrama in the style of > the > Shadow radio plays! > > The soundtrack is by Dr. Hercules, Rebecca Pavia (director of > the great horror cable show Shilling Shockers), Spaceseed, Walter Sickert & > the > Army of Broken Toys, and Astro Al (what a surprise huh?) > > Click here to check it out! > > http://www.gcast.com/u/dnaplayers/main > > Thanks and stay ghoul! > > Paul Angelosanto > > www.heifer.org > > www.astroal.com > > www.myspace.com/astroal > > www.youtube.com/astroal > > www.soundclick.com/astroal > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 17 02:18:04 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:18:04 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JANUARY 17, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #10). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Space Does Not Care (show #10) Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. BRUCE HAACK - "Word Game/Supernova" (from Electric Lucifer - Omni) ECHOBOY - "Death Drums" (from Electrik Soul Symphonie - First Time) FLOORIAN - "Overruled" (from What the Buzzing - Bomp!) DAGONS - "Dell of Ferns" (from Pearls for Teeth - Dead Sea Captain) F/i - "Standing in the Garden" (from The Past Darkly/The Future Lightly - Lexicon Devil) FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - "The Drowners" (from ST'd - Vhf) FIVE WAY MIRROR - "Four Is Green" (from Transcendence - Burnt Hair) JACKIE-O-MOTHERF*CKER - "Black Squirrels" (from Wow!/The Magick Fire Music - All Tomorrow's Parties) CABARET VOLTAIRE - "Yashar " (from V/A Tonal Evidence - Mute) RATTUS and the SCIENTIFIC METHOD ORCHESTRA - "10 Light Years" (from Solar Chronicles) SH-MAN-TRA - "Sunburst on the Cayman Trench" (from Formula Orange - Sprock) http://Aural-Innovations.com From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 18 04:28:56 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:28:56 +0000 Subject: Spacerock Reviews Message-ID: Hi Folks, www.spacerockreviews.blogspot.com updated with: Hawkwind - Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Earthless - Live At Roadburn Jimmie Davey - The Man With The Money Deborah Knights & Joie Hinton - InVerse Gravity Vehicle (short Q&A with Joie as well) The Upsidedown - Human Condition Look out for spacerock article in next month's Record Collector!!! Ian From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 20 10:26:36 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <3312441640.40169218@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: > I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed > the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great > performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to > the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for > attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about > going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she > said the show I missed was even better. > > And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. > Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a ropey live outfit. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 10:31:40 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:31:40 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <20090120152636.GB32257@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: What????? The likes of Jerry Richards are *really* not to be classified in the 'shambles' terms... or, to be honest, neither are people like Dave Anderson who to me is a very together guy. I think Nik's perference for playing a bit unrehearsed and ad-hoc sort of goes towards people thinking this but I've seen Space Ritual a lot and I think they are a highly enjoyable, well together band who are getting better and better. So, umm, didn't really agree with this Jon :) --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: From: Jonathan Jarrett Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 3:26 PM On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: > I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed > the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great > performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to > the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for > attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about > going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she > said the show I missed was even better. > > And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. > Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a ropey live outfit. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 10:46:50 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:46:50 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <20090120152636.GB32257@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty close to minimum wage! You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid before the band do. So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I completely understand why they don't. ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! -S. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jan 20 12:05:01 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:05:01 -0800 Subject: Fw: [Up-Tight] Blue =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D6yster?= Cult - Tyranny and Muta tion Message-ID: ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Telstar To: Up-tight at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:11:31 AM Subject: [Up-Tight] Blue ?yster Cult - Tyranny and Mutation AllMusic's Album of the Day: "Here was the crossroads: the middle of rock's Bermuda triangle where B?C marked the black cross of the intersection between New York's other reigning kings of mystery theater and absurd excess: the Velvet Underground and Kiss -- two years before their first album -- and the " 'it's all F#$&%* so who gives a rat's ass" attitude that embodied the City's punk chic half-a-decade later." http://www.allmusic .com/cg/amg. dll?p=amg& sql=10:jzfyxq95l dte Al __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls MARKETPLACE ________________________________ From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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The likes of Jerry Richards are *really* not to be classified in > the 'shambles' terms... or, to be honest, neither are people like Dave > Anderson who to me is a very together guy. I think Nik's perference for > playing a bit unrehearsed and ad-hoc sort of goes towards people thinking > this but I've seen Space Ritual a lot and I think they are a highly > enjoyable, well together band who are getting better and better. So, umm, > didn't really agree with this Jon :) > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > From: Jonathan Jarrett > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 3:26 PM > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: > > I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed > > the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great > > performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to > > the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for > > attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about > > going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she > > said the show I missed was even better. > > > > And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. > > Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? > > I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very > different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone > else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are > bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so > on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the > bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls > professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, > many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, > together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE > MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't > there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort > (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional > musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who > both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself > has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality > frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members > were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA > they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. > > Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this > problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say > that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine > example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a > ropey live outfit. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 14:20:33 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:20:33 -0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <3312441640.40169218@smtp.gmail.com> <20090120152636.GB32257@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the moment. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about >> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >> said the show I missed was even better. >> >> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? > > I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very > different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone > else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are > bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so > on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the > bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls > professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, > many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, > together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE > MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't > there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort > (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional > musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who > both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself > has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality > frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members > were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA > they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. > > Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this > problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say > that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine > example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a > ropey live outfit. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 14:29:51 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:29:51 -0600 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LAST i HEARD IT WAS THE BEST BAND ON THE FLOOR BUT YOU GOT ME KICKED OFF THAT FORUM AND i MAY HAVE READ OUT OF CONTEXT NEXT TIME USE FIRE AND A STRETCHER WHILE STILL PERFORMING OR SOMETHING On 1/20/09, trev wrote: > > Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the > moment. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >> >>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >>> said the show I missed was even better. >>> >>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? >>> >> >> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very >> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone >> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are >> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so >> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the >> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls >> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, >> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, >> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE >> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't >> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort >> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional >> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who >> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself >> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality >> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members >> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA >> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. >> >> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this >> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say >> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine >> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a >> ropey live outfit. Yours, >> Jon >> >> >> -- >> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" >> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> >> From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 14:40:20 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:40:20 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve, I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to keep a gigging band going.? For the level of fees being discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything as good as it can be.? When people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to achieve. When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and that all of their "fees"? were taken up in travel costs to and from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what hope is there for anyone? Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing musicians. Colin --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: From: Steve Pond Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty close to minimum wage! You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid before the band do. So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I completely understand why they don't. ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! -S. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 14:42:02 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:42:02 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all falls apart when they get on stage. --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: From: trev Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the moment. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about >> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >> said the show I missed was even better. >> >> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? > > I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very > different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone > else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are > bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so > on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the > bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls > professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, > many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, > together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE > MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't > there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort > (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional > musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who > both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself > has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality > frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members > were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA > they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. > > Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this > problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say > that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine > example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a > ropey live outfit. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jan 20 17:16:19 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:16:19 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <34698.63807.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I remember when Nik was getting ready for the first SR tour, and we talked to him while he was in the middle of a session, so he did work with these fine musicians from the states in advance for at least 1 tour. Kaduflyer -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all falls apart when they get on stage. --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: From: trev Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the moment. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice about >> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >> said the show I missed was even better. >> >> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? > > I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very > different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone > else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are > bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so > on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the > bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls > professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, > many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, > together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE > MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't > there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort > (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional > musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who > both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik himself > has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a quality > frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members > were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA > they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're seeing. > > Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this > problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say > that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a fine > example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a > ropey live outfit. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jan 20 17:26:22 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:26:22 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <363684.79278.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can imagine the expense of keeping Hawkwind on the road. The sad part was there was a lot of the country the didn't reach live, and that's a shame. It's just so big, and touring by bus and truck costs a lot. Kaduflyer -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual Steve, I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to achieve. When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what hope is there for anyone? Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing musicians. Colin --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: From: Steve Pond Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty close to minimum wage! You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid before the band do. So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I completely understand why they don't. ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! -S. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jan 20 19:56:20 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:56:20 -0800 Subject: HW Space Ritual Message-ID: I thought Hawkwind had a visa issue coming to the states. I know they played that one festival on the east but... ________________________________ From: mary To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:26:22 PM Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual You can imagine the expense of keeping Hawkwind on the road.? The sad part was there was a lot of the country the didn't reach live, and that's a shame.? It's just so big, and touring by bus and truck costs a lot. Kaduflyer -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual Steve, I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to keep a gigging band going.? For the level of fees being discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything as good as it can be.? When people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to achieve. When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and that all of their "fees"? were taken up in travel costs to and from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what hope is there for anyone? Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing musicians. Colin --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: From: Steve Pond Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily.? So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty close to minimum wage! You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid before the band do. So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I completely understand why they don't. ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! -S. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 20:08:24 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:08:24 -0600 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <582342.55467.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: it's all madness, twisted madness......delicious, lovely, chaotic madness......(I think HW is bad news for the USA myself, as it SHOULD BE) I've just had a japanese Hawklords LP return to me after 7 years and a german one return several months ago what are the odds of that??? I must seek relief from bumped LP corner sickness....... On 1/20/09, gary shindler wrote: > > I thought Hawkwind had a visa issue coming to the states. I know they > played that one festival on the east but... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mary > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:26:22 PM > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > You can imagine the expense of keeping Hawkwind on the road. The sad part > was there was a lot of the country the didn't reach live, and that's a > shame. It's just so big, and touring by bus and truck costs a lot. > > Kaduflyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:40 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > > Steve, > > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to > keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is > virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost > have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything > as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be > very difficult to achieve. > > When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in > the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and > that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from > rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what > hope is there for anyone? > > Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I > sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing > musicians. > > Colin > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: > From: Steve Pond > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: > > >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives > > There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to > go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the > country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal > room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. > > So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's > half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 > divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so > over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd > generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty > close to minimum wage! > > You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove > a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. > > That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. > > And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow > people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid > before the band do. > > So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I > completely understand why they don't. > > ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be > hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! > > -S. > > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 22:54:44 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:54:44 -0600 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901201708u191cab29i73584c654e993e8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: not meaning fans should be deprived of a show I just mean we DON'T WANT those "casual listeners" ruining the chaos I figure it's amazing the touring going on over there considering the band's age, and I had the good fortune to make a few whirl-arounds when the getting was there and I personally am resigned to them not appearing here again, etc On 1/20/09, mike coleman wrote: > > it's all madness, twisted madness......delicious, lovely, chaotic > madness......(I think HW is bad news for the USA myself, as it SHOULD BE) > I've just had a japanese Hawklords LP return to me after 7 years and a > german one return several months ago > what are the odds of that??? > I must seek relief from bumped LP corner sickness....... > > > On 1/20/09, gary shindler wrote: >> >> I thought Hawkwind had a visa issue coming to the states. I know they >> played that one festival on the east but... >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: mary >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:26:22 PM >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> >> You can imagine the expense of keeping Hawkwind on the road. The sad part >> was there was a lot of the country the didn't reach live, and that's a >> shame. It's just so big, and touring by bus and truck costs a lot. >> >> Kaduflyer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:40 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to >> keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is >> virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost >> have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything >> as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be >> very difficult to achieve. >> >> When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band >> in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, >> and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from >> rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what >> hope is there for anyone? >> >> Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I >> sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing >> musicians. >> >> Colin >> >> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: >> From: Steve Pond >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM >> >> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: >> >> >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives >> >> There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to >> go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the >> country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal >> room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. >> >> So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's >> half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 >> divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so >> over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd >> generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty >> close to minimum wage! >> >> You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove >> a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. >> >> That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. >> >> And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow >> people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid >> before the band do. >> >> So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I >> completely understand why they don't. >> >> ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be >> hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! >> >> -S. >> >> >> >> >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 11:47:25 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:47:25 -0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <34698.63807.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea, but that was Kev's fault...he's the one who collapsed... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:42 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all > falls apart when they get on stage. > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: > From: trev > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM > > Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the > moment. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice > about >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >>> said the show I missed was even better. >>> >>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? >> >> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very >> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone >> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are >> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so >> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the >> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls >> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, >> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, >> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE >> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't >> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort >> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional >> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who >> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik > himself >> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a > quality >> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members >> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA >> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're > seeing. >> >> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this >> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say >> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a > fine >> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a >> ropey live outfit. Yours, >> Jon >> >> >> -- >> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of > elephants?" >> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 12:26:53 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:26:53 -0000 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: <363684.79278.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, lots of us are in the sh#t because of the greed and incompetence of our upper-class bankers etc and it means that the entertainment industry gets hit hard because ordinary people are more concerned with boring things like warmth, shelter and food. Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more space) but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home would be a practical proposition over here. Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc would have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. Just make sure that you're not too far from where the band live, charge a modest fee (could be a donation if you think your friends are generous enough), and there you go. The expenses involved would be a small fraction of what it takes to put a full band on at a gig. You can get in touch with any musician via their Myspace these days Well go on! Otherwise Space Rock might become extinct ooer Trev (Judge) Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > Steve, > > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to > keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is > virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost > have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make > everything as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, > this can be very difficult to achieve. > > When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band > in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that > band, and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and > from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then > what hope is there for anyone? > > Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I > sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing > musicians. > > Colin > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: > From: Steve Pond > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >>They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives > > There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to > go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the > country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal > room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. > > So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's > half the money.. how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 > divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so > over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd > generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty > close to minimum wage! > > You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove > a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc. > > That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. > > And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow > people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid > before the band do. > > So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I > completely understand why they don't. > > ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be > hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! > > -S. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 12:36:09 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:36:09 -0600 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just put me in the band, I'm the biggest beer belly in the world......they'll come from miles away..... I'll just stand up front manhandling it like a it's a pair of boobs this could be the birth of beer-belly envy I knew there was a reason I still have it On 1/21/09, trev wrote: > > Yea, but that was Kev's fault...he's the one who collapsed... > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Colin Allen" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:42 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all falls >> apart when they get on stage. >> >> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: >> From: trev >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM >> >> Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the >> moment. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >>> >>>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >>>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >>>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >>>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >>>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice >>>> >>> about >> >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >>>> said the show I missed was even better. >>>> >>>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >>>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? >>>> >>> >>> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very >>> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone >>> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are >>> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so >>> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the >>> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls >>> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, >>> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, >>> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE >>> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't >>> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort >>> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional >>> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who >>> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik >>> >> himself >> >>> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a >>> >> quality >> >>> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members >>> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA >>> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're >>> >> seeing. >> >>> >>> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this >>> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say >>> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a >>> >> fine >> >>> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a >>> ropey live outfit. Yours, >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of >>> >> elephants?" >> >>> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >>> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >>> >>> >> From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 12:41:43 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:41:43 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is the poor old boy ok? --- On Wed, 21/1/09, trev wrote: From: trev Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 4:47 PM Yea, but that was Kev's fault...he's the one who collapsed... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:42 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all > falls apart when they get on stage. > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: > From: trev > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM > > Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the > moment. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice > about >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >>> said the show I missed was even better. >>> >>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? >> >> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very >> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone >> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are >> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so >> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the >> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls >> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, >> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, >> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE >> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't >> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort >> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional >> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who >> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik > himself >> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a > quality >> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members >> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA >> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're > seeing. >> >> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this >> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say >> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a > fine >> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a >> ropey live outfit. Yours, >> Jon >> >> >> -- >> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of > elephants?" >> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 13:09:47 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:09:47 -0800 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party Message-ID: I saw Boiled in Lead play a living room party once, it was one of the most memorable concert experiences I ever had. Of course it eas low amolification and all the attendees were died in the wool fans, so it was practically a sing-along... :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: trev Date: Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 12:31 pm Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Yes, lots of us are in the sh#t because of the greed and incompetence of our upper-class bankers etc and it means that the entertainment industry gets hit hard because ordinary people are more concerned with boring things like warmth, shelter and food. Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more space) but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home would be a practical proposition over here. Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc would have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. Just make sure that you're not too far from where the band live, charge a modest fee (could be a donation if you think your friends are generous enough), and there you go. The expenses involved would be a small fraction of what it takes to put a full band on at a gig. You can get in touch with any musician via their Myspace these days Well go on! Otherwise Space Rock might become extinct ooer Trev (Judge) Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > Steve, > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to achieve. > When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what hope is there for anyone? > Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audien From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jan 21 13:31:35 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:31:35 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901210936q7e18aae9g29974f67348740e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good idea, are you going to front? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual Just put me in the band, I'm the biggest beer belly in the world......they'll come from miles away..... I'll just stand up front manhandling it like a it's a pair of boobs this could be the birth of beer-belly envy I knew there was a reason I still have it On 1/21/09, trev wrote: > > Yea, but that was Kev's fault...he's the one who collapsed... > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Colin Allen" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:42 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all falls >> apart when they get on stage. >> >> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: >> From: trev >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM >> >> Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the >> moment. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: >>> >>>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed >>>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great >>>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to >>>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for >>>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice >>>> >>> about >> >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she >>>> said the show I missed was even better. >>>> >>>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. >>>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? >>>> >>> >>> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very >>> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone >>> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who are >>> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and so >>> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the >>> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls >>> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, >>> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying public, >>> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and THE >>> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't >>> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less effort >>> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional >>> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who >>> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik >>> >> himself >> >>> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a >>> >> quality >> >>> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members >>> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA >>> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're >>> >> seeing. >> >>> >>> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this >>> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say >>> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a >>> >> fine >> >>> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a >>> ropey live outfit. Yours, >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of >>> >> elephants?" >> >>> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >>> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >>> >>> >> From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 13:43:03 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:43:03 -0600 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes, because Kev can no longer stay standing and he's met his stomach match...it's very devious really because in a very short time Trev will be collapsing too and since I can actually play some guiter the sky is the limit.......Nik will come jam with me no problem you know ,I can't claim this idea as unique, as some dancer treid this with Hawkwind on a radio interview and Dave quickly told the guy he'd have to pull his belly up to chest height but it's RnR babe.... On 1/21/09, mary wrote: > > Good idea, are you going to front? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:36 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > > Just put me in the band, I'm the biggest beer belly in the > world......they'll come from miles away..... > I'll just stand up front manhandling it like a it's a pair of boobs > this could be the birth of beer-belly envy > I knew there was a reason I still have it > > On 1/21/09, trev wrote: > > > > Yea, but that was Kev's fault...he's the one who collapsed... > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Colin Allen" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:42 PM > > To: > > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > > > They may be the best band on the road; it is just a shame that it all > falls > >> apart when they get on stage. > >> > >> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, trev wrote: > >> From: trev > >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:20 PM > >> > >> Yea, I recon Trev and Kev are the best band on the road in the UK at the > >> moment. > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:26 PM > >> To: > >> Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:40:42AM -0800, Steve Swann typed out: > >>> > >>>> I have to wonder what happened when I saw Nikwind (when he was backed > >>>> the Pressurehead guys) in NY years ago. The band gave a great > >>>> performance and Nik was downright gentlemanly. He freaking bowed to > >>>> the audience at the end, and in a very formal voice thanked us all for > >>>> attending! It was a great show I wouldn't have thought twice > >>>> > >>> about > >> > >>> going back to see them again. And my wife saw Nikwind twice and she > >>>> said the show I missed was even better. > >>>> > >>>> And yet I always hear these stories about him being a loose cannon. > >>>> Did I just get lucky seeing that show?? > >>>> > >>> > >>> I think the explanation here is that Nik in the USA is a very > >>> different thing from Nik in the UK. To tour the USA Nik needs someone > >>> else to do the bulk of the work, and he tends to tour with bands who > are > >>> bands in and of themselves, Pressurehed/Farflung, 5:15, Spaceseed and > so > >>> on. They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives, the > >>> bookings are made and the dates known well in advance and so it unrolls > >>> professionally. And then in the UK he seems to gather a bunch of mates, > >>> many of whom should no longer be allowed on a stage for a paying > public, > >>> together at the last minute, there is no rehearsal and either he and > THE > >>> MIGHTY JUDGE TREV save the day or they can't (if, e. g. Trev isn't > >>> there). But people always come. So he can get away with much less > effort > >>> (and works with some people for whom organisation and professional > >>> musiciansip is less of a concern than it is for Grenas and del Rio who > >>> both make their living at it) and so he doesn't try harder. Nik > >>> > >> himself > >> > >>> has always been when I've seen him a gentleman, friendly, and a > >>> > >> quality > >> > >>> frontman, often even playing well, especially when All Stars members > >>> were involved. But his bands in the UK are shambles and in the USA > >>> they're well-drilled units and that's the difference you're > >>> > >> seeing. > >> > >>> > >>> Somehow Space Ritual have never managed to climb above this > >>> problem despite being a band in and of themselves. Which is not to say > >>> that the new album isn't very good, because it is, but it's also a > >>> > >> fine > >> > >>> example of the miracle of what a good studio and producer can do for a > >>> ropey live outfit. Yours, > >>> Jon > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of > >>> > >> elephants?" > >> > >>> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > >>> Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > >>> > >>> > >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 19:23:46 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (name hidden) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:23:46 -0600 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/21/09, trev wrote: > Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs <<<<< *hack > chop snip buzzsaw home-made bomb blast>>>* last time I talked to your boss and just before the nutty mental breakdown, I was telling him about my freind sam, now 57 years young, who's got more drums and percussive devices crammed into his mom's house than anything Neil Peart likely has...... he knows how to play (I think), and he'll certainly tell you he's smarter than einstein, but he has no patience with people and is like mary bruce about cigarette smoke, but most of all, he has no time for life because he's collecting movies, or should I say, replicating them........this last part is no joke...... but anyway, your boss was open to a jam and man would it be golden to show up over there with not one but 2 or 3 of you, and make sure that person is never the same again...... From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 19:33:20 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (name hidden) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:33:20 -0600 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901211623h43def11ag80b7d9d96db79a73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: we'd very first have to go in and dismantle 90 percent of the drums and destroy them and throw them out windows and such to create space He doesn't understand rock and roll..... the xylophones definitely have to go so there is space in the living room.... On 1/21/09, name hidden wrote: > > > On 1/21/09, trev wrote: > >> Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs <<<<< *hack >> chop snip buzzsaw home-made bomb blast>>>* > > > last time I talked to your boss and just before the nutty mental breakdown, > I was telling him about my freind sam, now 57 years young, who's got more > drums and percussive devices crammed into his mom's house than anything Neil > Peart likely has...... > he knows how to play (I think), and he'll certainly tell you he's smarter > than einstein, but he has no patience with people and is like mary bruce > about cigarette smoke, but most of all, he has no time for life because > he's collecting movies, or should I say, replicating them........this last > part is no joke...... > but anyway, your boss was open to a jam and man would it be golden to show > up over there with not one but 2 or 3 of you, and make sure that person is > never the same again...... > > > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 12:39:24 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:39:24 +0000 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party Message-ID: This sounds like a perfect idea for my 40th birthday in 4 years (by which time there will be encores from shitty groups at the Mental Asylum (dreadfully boring area, I have seen pop-cover bands play on the beach grill parties here since 2003). PS: I have moved out of the 1B special detainment section to a big house with a roomate. All my shit is out of storage. Over and out! Christian ________________________________ From: trev To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009 18:26:53 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party Yes, lots of us are in the sh#t because of the greed and incompetence of our upper-class bankers etc and it means that the entertainment industry gets hit hard because ordinary people are more concerned with boring things like warmth, shelter and food. Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more space) but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home would be a practical proposition over here. Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc would have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. Just make sure that you're not too far from where the band live, charge a modest fee (could be a donation if you think your friends are generous enough), and there you go. The expenses involved would be a small fraction of what it takes to put a full band on at a gig. You can get in touch with any musician via their Myspace these days Well go on! Otherwise Space Rock might become extinct ooer Trev (Judge) Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > Steve, > > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed to keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to achieve. > > When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what hope is there for anyone? > > Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing musicians. > > Colin > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: > From: Steve Pond > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >> They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives > > There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to > go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the > country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal > room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. > > So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's > half the money... how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 > divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so > over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd > generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty > close to minimum wage! > > You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove > a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc.. > > That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. > > And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow > people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid > before the band do. > > So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I > completely understand why they don't. > > ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be > hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! > > -S. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 22:36:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:36:37 -0600 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: <627181.23890.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes come because the truth is I'll be the one scared shitless, at least at first it's just trev has all that, could we call it hair?? what exactly is it now??? (just kidding trev) On 1/21/09, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > This sounds like a perfect idea for my 40th birthday in 4 years (by which > time there will be encores from shitty groups at the Mental Asylum > (dreadfully boring area, I have seen pop-cover bands play on the beach > grill parties here since 2003). PS: I have moved out of the 1B special > detainment section to a big house with a roomate. All my shit is out of > storage. Over and out! > > Christian > > > > > ________________________________ > From: trev > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009 18:26:53 > Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party > > Yes, lots of us are in the sh#t because of the greed and incompetence of > our upper-class bankers etc and it means that the entertainment industry > gets hit hard because ordinary people are more concerned with boring things > like warmth, shelter and food. > > Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs > > In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more space) > but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home would > be a practical proposition over here. > > Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill > Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things > I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc would > have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. > > Just make sure that you're not too far from where the band live, charge a > modest fee (could be a donation if you think your friends are generous > enough), and there you go. > > The expenses involved would be a small fraction of what it takes to put a > full band on at a gig. > > You can get in touch with any musician via their Myspace these days > > Well go on! > > Otherwise Space Rock might become extinct > > ooer > > Trev (Judge) > > > > Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev > > tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, > News, Healers > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Colin Allen" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > > Steve, > > > > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is needed > to keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being discussed, it is > virtually impossible to make money out of playing live; rehearsals almost > have to be done out of goodwill and a professional desire to make everything > as good as it can be. When people live all over the country, this can be > very difficult to achieve. > > > > When former members of what is still the biggest-grossing spacerock band > in the UK have stated that they could not make a living being in that band, > and that all of their "fees" were taken up in travel costs to and from > rehearsals or were not sufficient for them to get off benefits, then what > hope is there for anyone? > > > > Sloppiness is never excusable when a paying audience is involved but I > sometimes feel that audiences need to take account of the realities facing > musicians. > > > > Colin > > > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Steve Pond wrote: > > From: Steve Pond > > Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:46 PM > > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: > > > >> They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives > > > > There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to > > go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the > > country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal > > room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. > > > > So assuming 200 people go to a SR gig that is ?10 on the door that's > > half the money... how many people in SR? 6 so we're left with 1000 > > divided by 6 which is ?166.. then lets say they had 2 rehearsals, so > > over 3 days each member earned ?55 per day. probably less that they'd > > generate staying home and doing whatever they do normally, and pretty > > close to minimum wage! > > > > You could say they can rehearse at Nik's, but you still have to remove > > a minimum of ?500 expenses, train tickets, fuel etc.. > > > > That leaves 1500 divided by 6 divided by 3 = ?83 per day each. > > > > And my calculations don't take into account the roadies the lightshow > > people, dancers travel expenses etc.. and I guarantee they get paid > > before the band do. > > > > So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I > > completely understand why they don't. > > > > ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be > > hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! > > > > -S. > > > > > > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jan 22 13:58:21 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:58:21 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 Message-ID: Mike Burro & friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 Saturday February 28, 2009 - 9:00 PM Venue: Hamilton Lanes Address: 1200 Kuser Rd City: Hamilton, New Jersey State: New Jersey Country: US Zip Code: Cost: $7.00 Greetings, I would like to invite you to come to Hamilton New Jersey on Saturday February 28th for an evening of music.I am inviting various friends to take part, sing a number or two, and just enjoy..Cheers! Mike BurroPS: This is not an OEB gig, but will cover some of that material, as well as a few Sloterdijk numbers, classic tunes by T.Rex, Status Quo, and of course Hawkwind and more.We will tip our hats to the psychedelic warlords of spacerock and wish them a ?Happy 40th Anniversary?! Below are the urls for the venue and the booking agency. http:www. myspace. com/hamiltonlanes or http://www. capitalcityconcertweb. com direct all inquires to Kevin Swinder at capital City Concerts _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Jan 23 08:54:43 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:54:43 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 (w/ URL corrections ) Message-ID: friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 Saturday February 28, 2009 - 9:00 PM Venue: Hamilton Lanes Address: 1200 Kuser Rd City: Hamilton, New Jersey State: New Jersey Country: US Zip Code: Cost: $7.00 Greetings, I would like to invite you to come to Hamilton New Jersey on Saturday February 28th for an evening of music.I am inviting various friends to take part, sing a number or two, and just enjoy..Cheers! Mike BurroPS: This is not an OEB gig, but will cover some of that material, as well as a few Sloterdijk numbers, classic tunes by T.Rex, Status Quo, and of course Hawkwind and more.We will tip our hats to the psychedelic warlords of spacerock and wish them a ?Happy 40th Anniversary?! Below are the urls for the venue and the booking agency.http:www.myspace.com/hamiltonlanes or http://www.capitalcityconertwb.com direct all inquires to Kevin Swinder at capital City Concerts _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Jan 23 11:45:08 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:45:08 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 (w/ new URL corrections ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NEW URL CORRECTIONS BELOW: Mike Burro & friends show: Saturday, February 28th, 2009 Saturday February 28, 2009 - 9:00 PM Venue: Hamilton Lanes Address: 1200 Kuser Rd City: Hamilton, New Jersey State: New Jersey Country: US Zip Code: Cost: $7.00 Greetings, I would like to invite you to come to Hamilton New Jersey on Saturday February 28th for an evening of music.I am inviting various friends to take part, sing a number or two, and just enjoy.. Cheers! Mike Burro PS: This is not an OEB gig, but will cover some of that material, as well as a few Sloterdijk numbers, classic tunes by T.Rex, Status Quo, and of course Hawkwind and more. We will tip our hats to the psychedelic warlords of spacerock and wish them a 'Happy 40th Anniversary'! Below are the urls for the venue and the booking agency. http://www.myspace.com/hamiltonlanes http://www.capitalcityconcerts.com direct all inquires to Kevin Swinder at capital City Concerts Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. See how it works. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jan 24 16:50:53 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:50:53 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JANUARY 25, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #210). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #210) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Aqueduct of Sylvius? (from Inside Your Head) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Orbital Elevator? (from forthcoming Good Planets Are Hard To Find) Arthur Loves Plastic ? ?Call Me? (from King Shag) Soma ? ?Ghandarva? (from Epsilon) First Band From Outer Space ? ?Demons & Haze? (from The Guitar Is Mightier Than The Gun) -ING ? ?Proportionality Constant Alpha? (yet to be released) Mahamudra ? ?Trapeze Wonderer? (from Forever Set The Controls To The Heart Of The Sun) Aurora ? ?Space Whales? (from Live) Stars & Butter ? excerpt (from First Steps) Drone Forest ? excerpt (from Stereo Frond) Magic Mushroom Band ? ?Living In A Dream? (from Politics of Ecstasy) Helices Fold ? ?Malgi Chase? (from Partially Aware) Glowsun ? Barbarella? (from The Sundering) Mogul ? ?Sick & Tired? (from Build Me A Hunchback) Solenoid ? ?Short But Swell? (from Solenoid) Galaxy ? ?Day Without The Sun? (from Day Without The Sun) http://Aural-Innovations.com From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jan 25 08:56:54 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:56:54 +0000 Subject: More Spacerock reviews Message-ID: www.spacerockreviews.blogspot.com updated with: Hawklords - 25 Years On The Temple Paul Roland - Nevermore Ian From drgoon at MAC.COM Sun Jan 25 15:58:39 2009 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:58:39 -0500 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good call. I saw Harvey play a gig in Cyndee Lee Rule & Optiques Jeff's living room over here in the USA. It was very cool. I'd love to see many more such intimate shows, but somebody inconveniently placed a large ocean between the countries which makes it less practical. People still living in the UK have less of an excuse. It really doesn't take a huge area to put on a couple of performers (such as Trev & Kev) and if its your house, you get to relax on your favorite sofa or recliner while they entertain you. Admittedly you may not be a stellar space rock violin player or master vegan cupcake baker like Cyndee, but if the audience hasn't been over here they won't have been spoilt with those unreasonable expectations. :) Gordon (still psyched about the Gong & Steve Hillage Band announcements for NEARfest '09) On Jan 21, 2009, at 12:26 PM, trev wrote: > Yes, lots of us are in the sh#t because of the greed and > incompetence of our upper-class bankers etc and it means that the > entertainment industry gets hit hard because ordinary people are > more concerned with boring things like warmth, shelter and food. > > Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs > > In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more > space) but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party > at home would be a practical proposition over here. > > Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill > Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things > I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards > etc would have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. > > Just make sure that you're not too far from where the band live, > charge a modest fee (could be a donation if you think your friends > are generous enough), and there you go. > > The expenses involved would be a small fraction of what it takes to > put a full band on at a gig. > > You can get in touch with any musician via their Myspace these days > > Well go on! > > Otherwise Space Rock might become extinct > > ooer > > Trev (Judge) > > > > Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev > > tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video > Downloads, News, Healers From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jan 26 11:55:50 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:55:50 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <203983.24148.qm@web26903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:31:40PM +0000, Ian Abrahams typed out: > What????? The likes of Jerry Richards are *really* not to be > classified in the 'shambles' terms... or, to be honest, neither are > people like Dave Anderson who to me is a very together guy. I think > Nik's perference for playing a bit unrehearsed and ad-hoc sort of goes > towards people thinking this but I've seen Space Ritual a lot and I > think they are a highly enjoyable, well together band who are getting > better and better. So, umm, didn't really agree with this Jon :) I think I've spoken too harshly here. It strikes me that I haven't seen Space Ritual for a while now, after three dull gigs in a row, so they might have improved quite a lot. There seems to be a London gig coming up, I ought to repair this. Anyway, no, Jerry and Dave Anderson both know what they're doing and Jerry especially is a sterling performer, but when I last saw Space Ritual it was a case like Bernard Shaw's response to the lone person booing after a premiere of some play of his: "I agree Sir, but what are you and I against so many?" Two excellent performers alone can't make the Crimble-Ollis one-speed-fits-all rhythm section more exciting by themselves. But, time I saw them again I suppose... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jan 26 12:56:57 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:56:57 +0000 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party: coming to The UK Message-ID: Mike Burro here of Sloterdijk & The One Eyed Bishops. I admit a new sloterdijk cd is going to be seriously delayed, however I have just begun planning my first trip to The UK since the summer of 2004. I am going to be working with Phil Smith again of Headsmith, and formerly a member of Rod Goodway's Ethereal Counterbalance as well as many other notable bands. If such a concert as the one mentioned in this post is of interest to any of you, let me know. Although I've just begun planning this, I am thinking about mid March as an arrival time. That will give us plenty of time to look round for gigs etc. Also if any of you might like to team up for a double or multiple bill,( at a proper venue etc ) drop us a line at any of these address, website etc. Headsmith is also available now, so check them out at: http://myspace.com/headsmithbandor visit my site at: http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 Phil can be reached directly at: Headsmithuk at yahoo.co.ukI can be reached at: sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jan 26 13:01:32 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:01:32 +0000 Subject: coming to The UK..Correction arrival time would be mid APRIL not MARCH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: sloterdijk at msn.comTo: boc-l at listserv.ispnetinc.net; beyondawizard at yahoogroups.com; headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk; magiccatradio at yahoo.co.uk; mw2 at oakham.rutland.sch.uk; paulhirsh at talktalk.net; paulhirsh at onetel.net.uk; ss7713 at comcast.net; toddrundgren-groknrollutopia at yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: Book a Space combo for your private party: coming to The UKDate: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:56:57 +0000 Mike Burro here of Sloterdijk & The One Eyed Bishops. I admit a new sloterdijk cd is going to be seriously delayed, however I have just begun planning my first trip to The UK since the summer of 2004. I am going to be working with Phil Smith again of Headsmith, and formerly a member of Rod Goodway's Ethereal Counterbalance as well as many other notable bands. If such a concert as the one mentioned in this post is of interest to any of you, let me know. Although I've just begun planning this, I am thinking about mid March as an arrival time. That will give us plenty of time to look round for gigs etc. Also if any of you might like to team up for a double or multiple bill,( at a proper venue etc ) drop us a line at any of these address, website etc. Headsmith is also available now, so check them out at: http://myspace.com/headsmithbandor visit my site at: http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 Phil can be reached directly at: Headsmithuk at yahoo.co.ukI can be reached at: sloterdijk at msn.com Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jan 26 15:29:29 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:29:29 +0000 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:46:50PM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:26:36 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >They're all rehearsed and in practice before he arrives > There's Not enough money for Gigs -and- rehearsals.. something has to > go! rehearsals are expensive when the band lives in all corners of the > country, so you have to add up transport, accommodation & rehearsal > room fees.. that takes care of a grand easily. Well, this is why most people in bands do it with people local to them, don't they? I mean, I'm not immune to the economics or to the fact that, since you can't make any real money as a freak-out musician you have to give in when life drags you to other places... but the Nik way here is not the easy way is it? > So as much as I agree Nik & his bands need to rehearse more, I > completely understand why they don't. So do I; but the trouble is that I'm less interested in going and seeing a shoddy band of ex-Hawks than I am in seeing a good tight band I've never heard of. That said, as I said in last mail, I ought to give the current Space Ritual a fresh go at not being shoddy before I shoot my mouth off much more. > ...and when Krankschaft start advertising for a drummer it will be > hard explaining that we're doing it for the love of it! Loads of drummers emigrate, don't they, why is that? Where do you guys rehearse? I know a bandless drummer in London at the moment... Yours, Jon ObCD: Man's bit of _Greasy Truckers Party_, which is *amazing* -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 26 16:21:26 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:21:26 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <363684.79278.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 20 Jan 2009, at 14:40 , Colin Allen wrote: > I suspect that many people do not realise just how much money is > needed to keep a gigging band going. For the level of fees being > discussed, it is virtually impossible to make money out of playing > live; rehearsals almost have to be done out of goodwill and a > professional desire to make everything as good as it can be. When > people live all over the country, this can be very difficult to > achieve. I would add that my sense has been that being a gigging band is considerably more difficult in the UK than in the US. I've heard this attributed to all sorts of things, from the raw higher overhead of life, transport, kit, etc. in the UK to cultural attitudes (Yooessers being more prepared to go to gigs and/or willing to travel farther to them, at which point transportation costs come in again ...). I have no idea how true this really is, despite having gigged in both the US and UK. My life as a musician was always sufficiently amateur that a clear idea of how things were for people who made a living at it! ;) However, I do remember that when I was last living in the US in a serious way, in the '90s, that while bumming around with Das Ludicroix and Co. I often ran into people who played in "regional bands" that, frankly, I had seldom heard of, but apparently were able to make a decent living at it -- certainly as much or as more as I made then as a (admittedly relatively junior) sys admin! These were not the dreaded cover bands that seem to swamp much of the English scene (of the "Cheatwood Mac", "Queen minus All Four Members of Queen" or "Lower Hardbottle Pink Floyd" vein), but just random pop- rock-country-all-mixed-up bands playing originals sprinkled with covers. I do know a lot of the well-known national acts in the US "jamband scene" of the last couple of decades are essentially "regional bands" that escaped their regions. I suspect that it's harder everywhere for working musicians (as opposed to "musicians who work" at a day job, like I did ;)) in the current economic climate -- but perhaps it's also true that it's still yet harder in the UK than in the US. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jan 28 08:24:21 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:24:21 +0000 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 05:26:53PM -0000, trev typed out: > Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs > > In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more space) > but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home would > be a practical proposition over here. Actually some of the Disarray stuff that the late and lamented Larry Boyd sent me was recorded at such gigs. This means that there's two numbers where they get shut down by the police. One of them is especially good because the police gave them five minutes to play one more song so the band did two in the time. But yes! It seems to work, at times. > Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill > Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things > I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc would > have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. Am I right in thinking that it does have to be a duo, however, because more than two musicians means you're into licensing issues? In the UK, I mean. There's a lot of pubs round here with *awful* duos whose entire business is founded on the fact that lots of places can't put on real bands. That said, any of the bunches you mention here could perform as a duo no problem. In fact the only one I haven't heard of doing so in the past is Alan (Harvey's played with Dibs as extra musician but can fill a stage solo, Jerry had Paradogs and Trev and Kev are of course legends in their own lifetime already). I just wish the pubs round here had as many decent musicians and/or freaks to draw on. Yours, Jon n/p Luke Abbot - `On Tuesday' -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 29 13:34:39 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:34:39 -0000 Subject: Book a Space combo for your private party In-Reply-To: <363684.79278.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20090128132421.GD31901@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: no licenses needed at private parties ...and what's your email addy john. the list one is bouncing trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:24 PM To: Subject: Re: Book a Space combo for your private party > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 05:26:53PM -0000, trev typed out: >> Here is an idea which is catching on in the USA...House gigs >> >> In the states they are putting on full bands (Bigger houses and more >> space) >> but to put a small relatively low-volume combo on at a party at home >> would >> be a practical proposition over here. > > Actually some of the Disarray stuff that the late and lamented > Larry Boyd sent me was recorded at such gigs. This means that there's > two numbers where they get shut down by the police. One of them is > especially good because the police gave them five minutes to play one > more song so the band did two in the time. But yes! It seems to work, at > times. > >> Nik and Harvey are one duo who might fill the bill >> Trev and Kev of course who are tailor-made for such things >> I'm sure that musicians like Ron Tree, Alan Davey, Jerry Richards etc >> would >> have little trouble knocking a duo together if they wanted. > > Am I right in thinking that it does have to be a duo, however, > because more than two musicians means you're into licensing issues? In > the UK, I mean. There's a lot of pubs round here with *awful* duos whose > entire business is founded on the fact that lots of places can't put on > real bands. That said, any of the bunches you mention here could perform > as a duo no problem. In fact the only one I haven't heard of doing so in > the past is Alan (Harvey's played with Dibs as extra musician but can > fill a stage solo, Jerry had Paradogs and Trev and Kev are of course > legends in their own lifetime already). I just wish the pubs round here > had as many decent musicians and/or freaks to draw on. Yours, > Jon > > n/p Luke Abbot - `On Tuesday' > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Jan 29 17:05:57 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:05:57 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual Message-ID: Bernard , are you biased in your hate of Nik Turner ! You mean you slag off Nik Turner ,Alan Davey,and all of the other ex-members at Herme Bay based on a bootleg audience tape ? And thats why you aren't going to Hawklords 2009 ? YOU WEREN'T even there ? Thats CRAZY ! And also because Nik is the only original member who will put the money in his pocket ? Why the insult on the money against NIk ? All the people there did a very charitable and great thing !The money from Herme Bay went to a sick Jill Calvert . How much Hawkwind give at the show for Jill? Oh thats right ,they weren't there . Ever hear of Dik Mik and Terry Ollis ? Who but Dave is original in Hawkwind ? Will you not go to Hawkfest because of that ,only one original member Dave ? That would be like me saying that " I'm no longer going to see Hawkwind live ,not because I saw them live before and didn't like it , but basing my opinion on the really crappy sounding Knights of Space cd ." And its even worse because Knights of Space was a legitimate release ,not a dodgy audience tape . Sometimes I think some Hawkfans in the UK are really not thinking right . You have the chance to see both Dave Brock and Nik Turner all the time and you don't go to one or the other . I wish you would send Hawkwind and SpaceRitual to the the USA ,because all US fans including me would go to see both and feel very lucky to do so . When Hawkwind and Nik toured the USA in the 90's ,the same loyal fans were at both . After all ,every show from Nik and Dave could be the last one ever and should not be treated with the attitude that I'll see them next time. There both pushing 70 years old and Dave can't even stand the whole shows anymore. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Jan 29 17:06:37 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:06:37 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: Are you out there Mike? From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Jan 29 17:26:39 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:26:39 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind 40th and Hawklords 2009 Message-ID: If I lived in the UK ,I'd be at both. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jan 29 17:27:19 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:27:19 -0800 Subject: HW Space Ritual Message-ID: I agree, it's a little annoying reading the slagging. In the US midwest the chance for shows are pretty slim. Couldn't see Peter Hammill live because a friend died the week before. Like he'll be back... Gary ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:05:57 PM Subject: Re: HW Space Ritual Bernard , are you biased in your hate of Nik Turner ! You mean you slag off? Nik Turner ,Alan Davey,and all of the other ex-members at Herme Bay based on a? bootleg audience tape ? And thats why you aren't going to Hawklords 2009 ? YOU WEREN'T even there ? Thats CRAZY ! And also because Nik is the only original member who will put the money in his pocket ? Why the insult on the money against NIk ? All the people there did a very charitable and great thing !The money from Herme Bay went to a sick Jill Calvert . How much Hawkwind give at the show for Jill? Oh thats right ,they weren't there . Ever hear of Dik Mik and Terry Ollis ? Who but Dave is original in Hawkwind ? Will you not go to Hawkfest because of that ,only one original member Dave ? That would be like me saying that " I'm no longer going to see Hawkwind live ,not because I saw them live before and didn't like it , but basing my opinion on the really crappy sounding Knights of Space cd ." And its even worse because Knights of Space was a legitimate? release ,not a dodgy audience tape . Sometimes I think some Hawkfans in the UK are really not thinking right . You have the chance to see both Dave Brock and Nik Turner all the time and you don't go to one or the other . I wish you would send Hawkwind and SpaceRitual to the the USA ,because all US fans including me would go to see both and feel very lucky to do so . When Hawkwind and Nik toured the USA in the 90's ,the same loyal fans were at both . After all ,every show from Nik and Dave could be the last one ever and should not be treated with the attitude that I'll see them next time. There both pushing 70 years old and Dave can't even stand the whole shows anymore. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Jan 29 17:40:16 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:40:16 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: Scott ,the Hawkwind cds so far from Hawkwind direct are bad sounding audience tapings. If you send for them you'll be very disappointed like me . I don't know why Hawkwind and Voiceprint don't use the available soundboard tapes for what they issue, especially as they are issued through the band. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 29 17:50:56 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:50:56 EST Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/2009 22:41:03 GMT Standard Time, busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET writes: Scott ,the Hawkwind cds so far from Hawkwind direct are bad sounding audience tapings. If you send for them you'll be very disappointed like me . I don't know why Hawkwind and Voiceprint don't use the available soundboard tapes for what they issue, especially as they are issued through the band. Agreed. Why use a dodgy second or even third genertion recording when fans already have a better quality recording than what Voiceptint churn out. Unbelievable! Is Hawkwind Direct really from Hawkwind Direct or is it just a name Voiceprint are using to get some dosh. There was a fallout wasn't there.. Magna? Steve From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Jan 29 18:06:38 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:06:38 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 40th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm pretty impressed with See Tickets, we got our tickets to both the Friday/Saturday gigs posted to us very quickly, most times with buying tickets in the UK from the USA the only option is to pick up at the gig. Bloomin Great. Rich From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Jan 29 18:21:07 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:21:07 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We just got our copies of 25 Years/Astounding Sounds/Electric Tepee in the mail yesterday. I'm liking 'The Only Ones (Acoustic Demo)' a great deal, and '25 Years (Take One)' is good, and 'Assassination' ...Great Stuff. A great disc. I always did like 'Electric Tepee' as an album, great sound on the new remaster, maybe except for 'Going to Hawaii' which didn't sound right, bit distorted, maybe I need to listen to listen to my original disc and compare the two. Sound is fine on Astounding as well, though I still don't like this album (but lets not reopen that thread ;-) So what do people think of the proposed tracklisting for Quark? and PXR5 Interesting to see a Hawkwind version of 'We Like to Be Frightened', though I'm not enamoured of the version on 'Hype' Rich HAWKWIND: ?QUARK, STRANGENESS & CHARM? CD One: 1. Spirit of the Age / 2. Damnation Alley / 3. Fable of a Failed Race / 4. Quark, Strangeness & Charm / 5. Hassan I Sabbah / 6. The Forge of Vulcan / 7. Days of the Underground / 8. The Iron Dream Bonus Tracks: 9. Damnation Alley (live studio version) 10. A minor Jam Session / 11. Spirit of the Age (demo ? excerpt) 12. Hash Cake Cut CD Two: The Rockfield Session Tapes: 1. Damnation Alley (first studio version) / 2. Spirit of the Age (full extended version) / 3. Days of the Underground (first version) / 4. Quark Strangeness & Charm ? Uncle Sam?s on Mars / 5. Fable of a Failed Race (extended version) / 6. Damnation Alley (alternate harmony vocal version) Live Recordings 1977: 7. Spirit of the Age / 8. Robot / 9. High Rise HAWKWIND: ?PXR 5? ? Expanded edition 1. Death Trap 2. Jack of Shadows 3. Uncle Sam?s on Mars 4. Infinity 5. Life Form 6. Robot 7. High Rise 8. PXR 5 Bonus tracks (* = previously unreleased): 9. Jack of Shadows (live studio version) * 10. We Like to Be Frightened * 11. High Rise (live studio version) * 12. Robot (first version) * 13. Jack of Shadows (Alternate vocal version) * 14. High Rise (alternate vocal mix) 15. PXR5 (alternate intro mix) 16. Quark, Strangeness & Charm (live 1978) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jan 29 20:12:10 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:10 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the farthest flung so is it safe to say yes??? On 1/29/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Are you out there Mike? > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jan 30 05:02:25 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:02:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: <498239E3.5020004@comcast.net> Message-ID: These are the 2 LP's i'm looking forward to most. Bought PXR5 as an aging punk in 1979 with my hair starting to grow? ( i was all of 13) and had just seen the band live for the first time... Next up was QSC & Hawklords... after that I then went for the Lemmy years.... So this Charisma period remasters are taking me back to why I love the music so much.. Electric Teepee sounds brilliant doesn't it... So much more depth than original release.. I cried when I heard the accoustic & stripped down Hawklords stuff.... it made me really sad. Can't wait for Sonic attack but more importantly IITBOTFTBD Ohhhh i love that un... ( ducks to avoid bricks) iain ? So what do people think of the proposed tracklisting for Quark? and PXR5? ? Interesting to see a Hawkwind version of 'We Like to Be Frightened', though I'm not enamoured of the version on 'Hype'? ? Rich? ? HAWKWIND:? ?QUARK, STRANGENESS & CHARM?? CD One:? 1. Spirit of the Age / 2. Damnation Alley / 3. Fable of a Failed Race / 4. Quark, Strangeness & Charm /? 5. Hassan I Sabbah / 6. The Forge of Vulcan / 7. Days of the Underground / 8. The Iron Dream? Bonus Tracks:? 9. Damnation Alley (live studio version) 10. A minor Jam Session / 11. Spirit of the Age (demo ? excerpt)? 12. Hash Cake Cut? ? CD Two:? The Rockfield Session Tapes:? 1. Damnation Alley ( first studio version) / 2. Spirit of the Age (full extended version) / 3. Days of the Underground (first version) / 4. Quark Strangeness & Charm ? Uncle Sam?s on Mars / 5. Fable of a Failed Race (extended version) / 6. Damnation Alley (alternate harmony vocal version)? Live Recordings 1977: 7. Spirit of the Age /? 8. Robot / 9. High Rise? ? HAWKWIND:? ?PXR 5? ? Expanded edition? ? 1. Death Trap? 2. Jack of Shadows? 3. Uncle Sam?s on Mars? 4. Infinity? 5. Life Form? 6. Robot? 7. High Rise? 8. PXR 5? ? Bonus tracks (* = previously unreleased):? ? 9. Jack of Shadows (live studio version) *? 10. We Like to Be Frightened *? 11. High Rise (live studio version) *? 12. Robot (first version) *? 13. Jack of Shadows (Alternate vocal version) *? 14. High Rise (alternate vocal mix)? 15. PXR5 (alternate intro mix)? 16. Quark, Strangeness & Charm (live 1978)? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM Fri Jan 30 11:15:35 2009 From: visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM (Visionary Head) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:15:35 +0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 29 Jan 2009 to 30 Jan 2009 (#2009-26) Message-ID: Better than sliced bread? Just makes me curious as to what else is still in the archives?! > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:21:07 -0600 > From: Rich W > Subject: HW: Reissues > > So what do people think of the proposed tracklisting for Quark? and PXR5 > > Rich > > > HAWKWIND: > ?QUARK, STRANGENESS & CHARM? > CD One: > 1. Spirit of the Age / 2. Damnation Alley / 3. Fable of a Failed Race / > 4. Quark, Strangeness & Charm / > 5. Hassan I Sabbah / 6. The Forge of Vulcan / 7. Days of the Underground > / 8. The Iron Dream > Bonus Tracks: > 9. Damnation Alley (live studio version) 10. A minor Jam Session / 11. > Spirit of the Age (demo ? excerpt) > 12. Hash Cake Cut > > CD Two: > The Rockfield Session Tapes: > 1. Damnation Alley (first studio version) / 2. Spirit of the Age (full > extended version) / 3. Days of the Underground (first version) / 4. > Quark Strangeness & Charm ? Uncle Sam?s on Mars / 5. Fable of a Failed > Race (extended version) / 6. Damnation Alley (alternate harmony vocal > version) > Live Recordings 1977: 7. Spirit of the Age / > 8. Robot / 9. High Rise > > > HAWKWIND: > ?PXR 5? ? Expanded edition > > 1. Death Trap > 2. Jack of Shadows > 3. Uncle Sam?s on Mars > 4. Infinity > 5. Life Form > 6. Robot > 7. High Rise > 8. PXR 5 > > Bonus tracks (* = previously unreleased): > > 9. Jack of Shadows (live studio version) * > 10. We Like to Be Frightened * > 11. High Rise (live studio version) * > 12. Robot (first version) * > 13. Jack of Shadows (Alternate vocal version) * > 14. High Rise (alternate vocal mix) > 15. PXR5 (alternate intro mix) > 16. Quark, Strangeness & Charm (live 1978) > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.doramail.com Powered by Outblaze From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Jan 30 12:29:22 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:29:22 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whoever was responsible for releasing them really should be ashamed of themselves; it presents the band in a bad light and is an insult to the fans. --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Lost Johnny wrote: From: Lost Johnny Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 10:40 PM Scott ,the Hawkwind cds so far from Hawkwind direct are bad sounding audience tapings. If you send for them you'll be very disappointed like me . I don't know why Hawkwind and Voiceprint don't use the available soundboard tapes for what they issue, especially as they are issued through the band. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 30 12:34:32 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:34:32 -0000 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: <17d80c610901291712u86eb08evbed169aed6095513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:12 AM To: Subject: Re: Mike Coleman > the farthest flung > so is it safe to say yes??? > > > On 1/29/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> Are you out there Mike? >> > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 30 13:53:34 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:53:34 EST Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: In a message dated 30/01/2009 17:30:16 GMT Standard Time, colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Whoever was responsible for releasing them really should be ashamed of themselves; it presents the band in a bad light and is an insult to the fans. I have to agree. Understandably, I was expecting the official releases to sound better than recordings I already have. The don't. They are inferior. Steve. From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jan 30 15:15:39 2009 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:15:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: <498239E3.5020004@comcast.net> Message-ID: they sound like they will be fantastic. tremendous that these recordings are surfacing, especially such things that we never knew existed. Rich W wrote: > > > So what do people think of the proposed tracklisting for Quark? and PXR5 > > Rich > > > HAWKWIND: > ?QUARK, STRANGENESS & CHARM? > CD One: > 1. Spirit of the Age / 2. Damnation Alley / 3. Fable of a Failed Race > / 4. Quark, Strangeness & Charm / > 5. Hassan I Sabbah / 6. The Forge of Vulcan / 7. Days of the > Underground / 8. The Iron Dream > Bonus Tracks: > 9. Damnation Alley (live studio version) 10. A minor Jam Session / 11. > Spirit of the Age (demo ? excerpt) > 12. Hash Cake Cut > > CD Two: > The Rockfield Session Tapes: > 1. Damnation Alley (first studio version) / 2. Spirit of the Age (full > extended version) / 3. Days of the Underground (first version) / 4. > Quark Strangeness & Charm ? Uncle Sam?s on Mars / 5. Fable of a Failed > Race (extended version) / 6. Damnation Alley (alternate harmony vocal > version) > Live Recordings 1977: 7. Spirit of the Age / > 8. Robot / 9. High Rise > > > HAWKWIND: > ?PXR 5? ? Expanded edition > > 1. Death Trap > 2. Jack of Shadows > 3. Uncle Sam?s on Mars > 4. Infinity > 5. Life Form > 6. Robot > 7. High Rise > 8. PXR 5 > > Bonus tracks (* = previously unreleased): > > 9. Jack of Shadows (live studio version) * > 10. We Like to Be Frightened * > 11. High Rise (live studio version) * > 12. Robot (first version) * > 13. Jack of Shadows (Alternate vocal version) * > 14. High Rise (alternate vocal mix) > 15. PXR5 (alternate intro mix) > 16. Quark, Strangeness & Charm (live 1978) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29/01/2009 07:13 > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 01:03:43 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:03:43 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm really sorry to hear that. I got a copy from a friend of min. '89, and the quality was very good, a bit of hiss that wasn't on our copy, but it was real close to the source, if my hearing serves me right. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:54 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In a message dated 30/01/2009 17:30:16 GMT Standard Time, colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Whoever was responsible for releasing them really should be ashamed of themselves; it presents the band in a bad light and is an insult to the fans. I have to agree. Understandably, I was expecting the official releases to sound better than recordings I already have. The don't. They are inferior. Steve. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 04:33:46 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:33:46 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: In Ian's and Carol's books there are statements that the cds issued through Voiceprint are licensed by Dave Brock . Why he would want these crummy sound quality cd's sold to the fans is beyond me . Especially when he must have tons of excellent soundboard recordings of all kinds of shows he could have given them instead . But Hawkwind fans keep accepting this and never really complain to the band . Look at the Knights of Space . If after some of the really bad sounding cd's on Voiceprint ,all the fans complained about the sound quality of licensed bands releases , Knights of Space would have really been mixed with real care . Instead look what we got . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 04:42:46 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:42:46 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: Mary , keep and listen to your tape copy . I'm absolutely sure its much better . If you send over $60 and get those 2 bad sounding recordings ,it will make you very unhappy like it did me . Save the $30 and buy maybe the Quark and PXR5 reissues with all the extra bonus tracks. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 04:51:26 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:51:26 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, I will, cool screen name. Kaduflyer -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Lost Johnny Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:43 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Mary , keep and listen to your tape copy . I'm absolutely sure its much better . If you send over $60 and get those 2 bad sounding recordings ,it will make you very unhappy like it did me . Save the $30 and buy maybe the Quark and PXR5 reissues with all the extra bonus tracks. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 04:51:52 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:51:52 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: Dave Brock and Voiceprint . But Voiceprint is really hard to send stuff back to . And if you complain to Dave too much via the band run forum you risk getting deleted . Best thing to do is don't buy any release until you read some reviews from someone . And make sure that that someone is not overrating it . Sometimes fans do that ,like the guy who reviewed the "Knights of Space" cd on Amazon and said it was better than the Original cd "Space Ritual " from 1973. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:00:25 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:00:25 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: Mike ,its been a few years since I talked to you .Are you still that really addicted ,Hawkwind collector with the 20 or so copies of Church of Hawkwind on vinyl ? I still have a picture somewhere you sent me , with all your Church of Hawkwind vinyls laid out on the floor . From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 05:01:27 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:01:27 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We did try to make Dave copies of the shows each night, but didn't always have the equipment, time, or whatever. If the band had contacted me I might have been able to get folks to help me with the mammoth undertaking I have to do concerning all my music in the spring, but we were hard to get ahold of for a while. I wish I could get permission to release the masters. I don't want them to collect dust if I send them to the band, so first I still need to find out the exact model of the machine they were made on, then test the tapes. A garage isn't the best storage space, but when it's that or nothing, well, there you have it. I hope one day after I've found the tapes I can work out something with our Captain, so that a proper recording that Chris made will hopefully be professionally released. I really don't care about the money, the music is what it's all about. A bit of music from the band in exchange would be appreciated, of course, but with the potential quality for really good releases is out there, and it should be utilized, especially with a band on the cutting edge like Hawkwind. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Lost Johnny Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:34 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In Ian's and Carol's books there are statements that the cds issued through Voiceprint are licensed by Dave Brock . Why he would want these crummy sound quality cd's sold to the fans is beyond me . Especially when he must have tons of excellent soundboard recordings of all kinds of shows he could have given them instead . But Hawkwind fans keep accepting this and never really complain to the band . Look at the Knights of Space . If after some of the really bad sounding cd's on Voiceprint ,all the fans complained about the sound quality of licensed bands releases , Knights of Space would have really been mixed with real care . Instead look what we got . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:03:22 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:03:22 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: Trev ,maybe Mike is off downloading Quark Strangeness Charm and Spirit of the Age from the Krankshaft website . If he hasn't yet ,he should. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:21:34 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:21:34 -0500 Subject: HW Space Ritual Message-ID: Bernard is biased . Anyone knows you have to be there to really experience something live . Or at least hear a really good sounding band issued cd .Look at the Satricon DVD, that was great . And every Hawkfan should have a cd copy of "Spaceritual - Live at the Venusian Electric Ballroom . Its a recent band released soundboard live recording and its still available on UK ebay from the band for like $14 . It has the best sound quality you can imagine and has a really wonderful "Master of the Universe" on it that sounds like the Space ritual 1972 version . And it also has the best ever live version of "Silver Machine" ,done just like the studio version only live , with all the swooshes and sound effects . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:32:34 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:32:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Ian ,bricks ! I actually had a friend who when Electric Teppee ,Business Trip and ITBOTFTBD came out ,he sold his whole collection and actually quit following the band because he hated those albums so much . He was a die hard collector too like Mike Coleman. He had ever release possible . Much of it went to Mike Coleman and Brian Perrera . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:49:47 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:49:47 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind 7 inch vinyl covers Message-ID: There was a December release limited to 500 copies of a 7 inch vinyl set of Hawkwind covers on Tresmat records of Ireland . They have the Space Ritual album type cover in different colors for each of the three picture sleeves . The songs covers are Brainstorm - Acid mothers temple/ Be Yourself -by White Hills on the first 45 . The second has Lord of Light -by Bardo Pond /Masters of the Universe - by Kinski . The third 45 has Urban Guerrilla -by Mudhoney / Born to Go -by Mugstar . They sold out pretty much right away everywhere except there were still some available at one UK ebay store a couple days ago. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 05:53:37 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:53:37 -0500 Subject: Harvey and Nik live cds Message-ID: Harvey Bainbrigde on his myspace page has a new live cd for mailorder with Nik Turner for $16 From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 06:02:27 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:02:27 -0500 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey Message-ID: There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called "My Outer Space" . They are 3 full cd's of Space music and include one track from Alan Davey that kind of sounds like something from the Warrior album . He plays bass and it has a violin big time through it like when Simon House was playing years ago . And female vocals too . Its really pretty good . Bridgette Wishart has vocals on 2 tracks ,which are sound effect filled kind of spacey poems . And also they are FREE. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Jan 31 06:46:49 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:46:49 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: Mary ,even if the band doesn't contact you about them ,consider using them for just your own personal use . You can be the only one in the entire world listening to something really special . It may bring back memories of some very happy times . Sometimes that helps a lot when you lose someone so very special. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jan 31 07:21:38 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:21:38 +0000 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey Message-ID: That'd be *Bridget* though... :) ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:02:27 AM Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called "My Outer Space" . They are 3 full cd's of Space music and include one track from Alan Davey that kind of sounds like something from the Warrior album . He plays bass and it has a violin big time through it like when Simon House was playing years ago . And female vocals too . Its really pretty good . Bridgette Wishart has vocals on 2 tracks ,which are sound effect filled kind of spacey poems . And also they are FREE. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 03:41:15 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:41:15 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Farthest flung for sure, Mike was scattered all over the multiverse, and he has found all the pieces to himself, at least most of them, (ha, ha) and he's actively reassembled said pieces. He shows that through his knowledge concerning the value of Hawkwind releases. He really knows his stuff, and is a very direct honest soul who's advice from music to insight on dealing with my life issues has been especially invaluable over the past few months. I can't begin to tell you the kind heart behind M.C. He is unique as is his cat. Greetings to you Trev. You're an inspiration to me for all the energy you've put into your music. I'd say you're a very successful person who deserves a lot more recognition. I hope you get all the good times you deserve and then some. Stay well, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of trev Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mike Coleman -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:12 AM To: Subject: Re: Mike Coleman > the farthest flung > so is it safe to say yes??? > > > On 1/29/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> Are you out there Mike? >> > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 05:12:00 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:12:00 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's a real shame about your financial loss, and the loss in expected quality as well. I didn't buy them, and don't plan on buying releases from U.S. tours from that era, unless, of course there are bonus tracks. Maybe the band should do a disc of all the bonus tracks through the years. How many copies of each album can 1 buy to get all the extra goodies? Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:54 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In a message dated 30/01/2009 17:30:16 GMT Standard Time, colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Whoever was responsible for releasing them really should be ashamed of themselves; it presents the band in a bad light and is an insult to the fans. I have to agree. Understandably, I was expecting the official releases to sound better than recordings I already have. The don't. They are inferior. Steve. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jan 31 09:13:25 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:13:25 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should I go count how many church of hawkwind's I've bought since 2007 was it??? that is a problem child but I got a goodun, and the vinyl isn't stored in it and I am not finished... I remember that picture!!! anybody got an Atco Warrior SLEEVE in mint or near mint with a disposable vinyl?? I've got my 3 versions again and need a sleeve enjoying this mystery will read the other mails for more clues??? On 1/31/09, mary wrote: > > Farthest flung for sure, Mike was scattered all over the multiverse, and he > has found all the pieces to himself, at least most of them, (ha, ha) and > he's actively reassembled said pieces. He shows that through his knowledge > concerning the value of Hawkwind releases. He really knows his stuff, and > is > a very direct honest soul who's advice from music to insight on dealing > with my life issues has been especially invaluable over the past few > months. > I can't begin to tell you the kind heart behind M.C. He is unique as is > his > cat. > > Greetings to you Trev. You're an inspiration to me for all the energy > you've put into your music. I'd say you're a very successful person who > deserves a lot more recognition. I hope you get all the good times you > deserve and then some. > > Stay well, > > Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of trev > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:35 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Mike Coleman > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:12 AM > To: > Subject: Re: Mike Coleman > > > the farthest flung > > so is it safe to say yes??? > > > > > > On 1/29/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > >> > >> Are you out there Mike? > >> > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jan 31 11:15:30 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:15:30 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Johnny, you're absolutely right. Have you been lurking here, or did you just drop in. I don't remember reading your postings before. Stay high, (as Nik always writes), Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Lost Johnny Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:47 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Mary ,even if the band doesn't contact you about them ,consider using them for just your own personal use . You can be the only one in the entire world listening to something really special . It may bring back memories of some very happy times . Sometimes that helps a lot when you lose someone so very special. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jan 31 13:21:41 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:21:41 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wouldn't you love it Mary if he is named Ian?? I've got a guess but I don't want to be wrong among the folding record collections that I hoovered, I'm recalling there was one named John, who also cleverly got days off in the name of religion. I knew it was good for something, I equate it to thumbsucking Mike C, who cannot stand calcium added into orange juice, and whom has a simple start to avert possible human annihilation in the next few years... "procreation, that's not the same as #1 and #2"" On 1/31/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,its been a few years since I talked to you .Are you still that > really addicted ,Hawkwind collector with the 20 or so copies of Church of > Hawkwind on vinyl ? I still have a picture somewhere you sent me , with all > your Church of Hawkwind vinyls laid out on the floor . > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jan 31 20:30:12 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:30:12 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you live where the cheese is plentiful and likened me to Iggy Pop , then I had your (old) phone number pulled out a couple months ago but chickened out......that means you were sacred and you also are the solitary entrusted holder of the flame otherwise take no offense surviving death is taxing on a (I'll leave that blank) no offense to John either way, he was a friend too On 1/31/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,its been a few years since I talked to you .Are you still that > really addicted ,Hawkwind collector with the 20 or so copies of Church of > Hawkwind on vinyl ? I still have a picture somewhere you sent me , with all > your Church of Hawkwind vinyls laid out on the floor . >