From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 02:53:20 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:53:20 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: Are you talking about John and Fred from MIlwaukee ? They both go back to your Deltawave mail order days . Fred is still around . Fred was just selling some of his Hawkwind stuff on ebay a while back . Lots of things like Brian Tawns Hawkfan issues and Nik Turner and Hawkwind tour programs ,decals , and lyric and books . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 03:20:19 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 03:20:19 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: First time I ever was on here was this week . I was going down the links on the starfarer's website and saw this site . I must have missed it on the starfarer links page every time when I looked before . I do check the Yahoo Hawkind site every now and then but haven't posted on there for a while . And on the www.hawkwind.com forum , its censored too much and even long time fans are always getting booted off . And on the bands website and even the Yahoo group info on things like cd releases is not really that good except for Ian . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 03:24:53 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:24:53 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: indeed I was he is my only chance of ever hearing my mother's voice again please put me in touch ASAP and as for yourself if you didn't drive a van, teach flight simulation, and visit with us in our home then I will have to keep at it On 2/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Are you talking about John and Fred from MIlwaukee ? They both go back to > your Deltawave mail order days . Fred is still around . Fred was just > selling some of his Hawkwind stuff on ebay a while back . Lots of things > like Brian Tawns Hawkfan issues and Nik Turner and Hawkwind tour programs > ,decals , and lyric and books . > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 03:38:51 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 03:38:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Direct (San Diego 89 Xenomorph) Message-ID: You never know Mary . I just thought that because Dave Brock had an agreement with Voiceprint ,that it would be okay to send for them and that because Dave was involved ,they would be some kind of soundboard recordings at least. But I should have known better because although we did get the good Weird tape cds ,we also got the horrible Glastonbury 90 ,Complete 79 ,etc. too . But from now on I'll wait for some info first from others. I would hope that Palace Springs ,Space Bandits ,Business Trip ,etc.,all have bonus tracks on them too. But one thing that worries me about that is when "Electric Tepee" came out on cd on Atomhenge ,on the bands Hawkwind forum , someone complained about the lack of bonus tracks . And Vicky Powell from Atomehenge ,answered him and said that because Electric Tepee was recorded on computer instead of tape by the band, is was normal to overwrite the demos and tracks not used ,so there weren't any. So if they did that on Electric Tepee, maybe they did it on all the other computer era recordings too. I hope not,but? From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 03:56:34 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 03:56:34 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: Oh thats for sure Mary . Mike is the worlds greatest Hawkwind collector and fan. There was a long,long time in the USA ,where the only place to get any Hawkwind info and records at all was from yourself and Chris with the Kaduflyer, Brian Perrera with his Rock Cave , Mike Coleman with his Deltawave ,and Jim Collins with his Hawk tales . Without all of you , Hawkwind fans would have become completely extinct in the USA at that time . Mike could sure find some really rare stuff back then . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 04:10:13 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 04:10:13 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian Message-ID: On the Atomhenge releases ,do you have any idea how long they will be in print? Should they be purchased pretty fast or will they be around for a while ? I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a person on the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of print . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 2 04:18:57 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 04:18:57 -0500 Subject: Mike Coleman Message-ID: I'll have to hunt on ebay to see if I can find his e-mail address again or telephone again. I forgot to write it down before I deleted my account . I dropped my ebay account recently in protest when I hit my lifetime spending limit . I have never been to your mothers house ,but have talked to her on the phone prior to and during your Delta Wave days . From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 2 04:22:55 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:22:55 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian Message-ID: I've no idea to be honest, I'd have thought they'd be kept in print going forward since the investment in buying the catalogue was significant. I don't think the comps are out of print, I believe supply problems occured over the Xmas period because of the distributor (Pinnacle) going out of business but Cherry Red have now cut a deal with Plastichead (as I understand it) as their new key distributor and supplies should be flowing again - there was a delay in having consignment stock owned by the labels released by the Pinnacle administrator but again I belive this is all resolved. Ian ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 9:10:13 AM Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian On the Atomhenge releases ,do you have any idea how long they will be in print? Should they be purchased pretty fast or will they be around for a while ? I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like Pinnacle are having big problems too .? The reason I ask ,I saw a person on the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of print . From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Feb 2 04:24:10 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 03:24:10 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe Atomhenge said there was only a temporary distribution problem with the comps as they were transferred to the new distributor after being returned to Cherry Red by the Bankruptcy folk dealing with the collapse of Pinnacle. Cherry Red seem to keep stuff in print so I wouldn't worry too much. Although I'm grabbing them as soon as they come out ;-) Rich Lost Johnny wrote: > On the Atomhenge releases ,do you have any idea how long they will be in > print? Should they be purchased pretty fast or will they be around for a > while ? I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like > Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a person on > the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of > print . > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 2 06:58:09 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:58:09 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2009, at 04:10 , Lost Johnny wrote: > I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like > Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a > person on > the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already > out of > print . Which just goes to show that digital distribution is the way forward. :) Plus, that would mean that people in places that don't actually have postal addresses but do have high-speed internet (hint, hint) could buy the stuff. ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 2 07:02:43 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:02:43 -0500 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 31 Jan 2009, at 06:02 , Lost Johnny wrote: > There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called "My Outer > Space" . They are 3 full cd's of Space music and include one track > from Alan > Davey that kind of sounds like something from the Warrior album . > He plays > bass and it has a violin big time through it like when Simon House was > playing years ago . And female vocals too . Its really pretty good . > Bridgette Wishart has vocals on 2 tracks ,which are sound effect > filled kind > of spacey poems . And also they are FREE. Plus, there's a Dark Sun track on Vol. 2. Dark Sun are/were amazing, even if they effectively underwent collapse in the period after their first album. (Though I did hear from Santuu in the last year, and he e-mumbled something about a new song for some tribute album, so they're not _quite_ dead, if not necessarily getting better and feeling happy .... ;)) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 09:01:47 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:01:47 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: <25FAF105-EE71-45CC-9B3E-8E592B3E9E28@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Ah but what do you actually get for your money? where's the disc, the artwork etc. And if you don't like it you can sell on - can't do that with digital downloads. Downloads to me are a record label con job (I would only buy or download if you can't physically buy a hard copy). Each to their own though. Steve On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 02 Feb 2009, at 04:10 , Lost Johnny wrote: > >> I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like >> Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a person >> on >> the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of >> print . >> > > > Which just goes to show that digital distribution is the way forward. :) > Plus, that would mean that people in places that don't actually have postal > addresses but do have high-speed internet (hint, hint) could buy the stuff. > ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 2 09:35:21 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:35:21 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Freight wrote: > Ah but what do you actually get for your money? The music -- which I wouldn't get otherwise! > where's the disc, the artwork etc. Usually questions I have had to ask anyway when the CD I ordered "disappears" in what passes for the local "postal system" .... ;) No, understand this point of view -- hey, when I was a teen, I thought CDs were clearly the invention of Satan -- but I also can't get my head around it anymore. If I go to a concert, there's no artwork -- just the music (and, OK, a bit of a light show, but I didn't go to the gig for that!). And if it weren't for the inescapable fact that in the past it was _necessary_ to sell recorded music as a physical object, there wouldn't have ever been any packaging in any case. Sure, it's nice that people have, over the last few decades, found interesting and creative things to do with that until-now necessary packaging ... but for me, it's not nearly as important as the music. I can merrily do without it. Right now, for me, ordering CDs is basically impossible -- but downloading is easy-peasy. And its a simple fact that there are vast audiences on this planet that are out of reach of shops or postal delivery but increasingly have ever faster access to the internet. If one wants to tap those audiences (and we can hardly start from the supposition that musicians -- especially working musicians -- _don't_ want larger audiences for their creations), vinyl LPs and even CDs in a box are just not gonna cut it. > And if you don't like it you can sell on - can't do that with digital > downloads. This is, of course, more or less true -- though a sensible system would let you stream something at low bitrates and then buy higher bitrates if you liked it. Admittedly, in my specific case, I there's no practical way for me to sell things on anyway, so it wouldn't matter. :) But, in an ideal system, the costs of production and delivery would likewise drop, so the music _should_ cost less (which is not to say that record companies are not going to be dumb enough try to screw us for _more_ money when there is less product!). > Downloads to me are a record label con job (I would only buy or > download if > you can't physically buy a hard copy). For me, the con is that low-bit rate digital copies still usually cost about as much as the CD. I _should_ be able to buy CD-quality FLACs for _less_ than the CD (there being, after all, no physical product to produce or truck about the planet). You can sometimes do this, but it's still quite uncommon. I refuse to buy MP3s or AACs that are of lower bit rates than the CD would have but cost effectively the same, track for track, as the CD. > Each to their own though. True enough! Still, since my local shops don't have a wide selection, I _can't_ effectively order physical CDs with reasonable expectations of arrival (and even if I could, delivery would be unattractively expensive), I don't have much hope _except_ for the growth of CD-quality digital downloads ... or, alternatively, ever more online piracy! I leave it to the record industry, in its wisdom, to choose which of those will become most easily available to me .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 11:09:47 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:09:47 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good question and don't scare me like that just because I took my business to the USSR for a Space Ritual CD while everyone else was looking to the right doesn't mean I'll not get these!!! with Wilfried's money of course..... On 2/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > On the Atomhenge releases ,do you have any idea how long they will be in > print? Should they be purchased pretty fast or will they be around for a > while ? I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like > Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a person on > the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of > print . > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 12:27:00 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:27:00 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902020809s47728204tc68ad342e0afbe48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I mean East Europe I'm almost doing the Carl thing with the standard releases and sticking to quality workmanship meantime in the absence of vinyl : 0) On 2/2/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Good question and don't scare me like that > just because I took my business to the USSR for a Space Ritual CD while > everyone else was looking to the right doesn't mean I'll not get these!!! > with Wilfried's money of course..... > > > On 2/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> On the Atomhenge releases ,do you have any idea how long they will be in >> print? Should they be purchased pretty fast or will they be around for a >> while ? I know a lot of record labels like EMI and distributors like >> Pinnacle are having big problems too . The reason I ask ,I saw a person >> on >> the bands forum say that the first two 3 cd comp sets are already out of >> print . >> > > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 12:41:48 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:41:48 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian Message-ID: Carl sez: >If I go to a concert, there's no artwork -- just >the music (and, OK, a bit of a light show, but I >didn't go to the gig for that!). You know, there's a band called Hawkwind you should check out! Their live gigs can really change your mind about what a light show is worth... ;-) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Monday, Feb 2, 2009 9:37 am Subject: Re: Hawkwind question for Ian To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 02 Feb 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Freight wrote: Ah but what do you actually get for your money? The music -- which I wouldn't get otherwise! > where's the disc, the artwork etc. Usually questions I have had to ask anyway when the CD I ordered "disappears" in what passes for the local "postal system" .... ;) No, understand this point of view -- hey, when I was a teen, I thought CDs were clearly the invention of Satan -- but I also can't get my head around it anymore. If I go to a concert, there's no artwork -- just the music (and, OK, a bit of a light show, but I didn't go to the gig for that!). And if it weren't for the inescapable fact that in the past it was _necessary_ to sell recorded music as a physical object, there wouldn't have ever been any packaging in any case. Sure, it's nice that people have, over the last few decades, found interesting and creative things to do with that until-now necessary packaging ... but for me, it's not nearly as important as the music. I can merrily do without it. Right now, for me, ordering CDs is basically impossible -- but downloading is easy-peasy. And its a simple fact that there are vast audiences on this planet that are out of reach of shops or postal delivery but increasingly have ever faster access to the internet. If one wants to tap those audiences (and we can hardly start from the supposition that musicians -- especially working musicians -- _don't_ want larger audiences for their creations), vinyl LPs and even CDs in a box are just not gonna cut it. > And if you don't like it you can sell on - can't do that with digital downloads. This is, of course, more or less true -- though a sensible system would let you stream something at low bitrates and then buy higher bitrates if you liked it. Admittedly, in my specific case, I there's no practical way for me to sell things on anyway, so it wouldn't matter. :) But, in an ideal system, the costs of production and delivery would likewise drop, so the music _should_ cost less (which is not to say that record companies are not going to be dumb enough try to screw us for _more_ money when there is less product!). > Downloads to me are a record label con job (I would only buy or download if you can't physically buy a hard copy). For me, the con is that low-bit rate digital copies still usually cost about as much as the CD. I _should_ b From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 2 21:10:33 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:10:33 -0600 Subject: Mike Coleman appearing as the nothing man Message-ID: On 2/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > I'll have to hunt on ebay to see if I can find his e-mail address again or > telephone again. I forgot to write it down before I deleted my account . I > dropped my ebay account recently in protest when I hit my lifetime spending > limit . I have never been to your mothers house ,but have talked to her on > the phone prior to and during your Delta Wave days . > Fred became a quite close friend. I would love to speak to him again If you were in touch with me prior to my attempt at morphing the rock cave then you and I have history and you are certainly welcome to email me anytime off-forum I spoke to so many fans (and had several as guests) looking back what a treat we have to talk about Trev now From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 3 09:31:21 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:31:21 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey in Star Trek Message-ID: Anyone else thought that's Alan when they've watched the episode Way to Eden? And he is playing a hippie character! Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From jonathan at ATT.NET Tue Feb 3 12:33:03 2009 From: jonathan at ATT.NET (Jonathan Clark) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called "My Outer Space" . Anyone have a real URL for this site? I'm not clever enough to find it... Thanks! Jonathan From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 12:59:42 2009 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:59:42 +0000 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (and Dark Sun) Message-ID: http://www.myouterspace.net/ JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Clark Sent: 03 February 2009 17:33 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) >> There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called "My Outer Space" . Anyone have a real URL for this site? I'm not clever enough to find it... Thanks! Jonathan From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Feb 3 13:35:36 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:35:36 -0800 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (and Dark Sun) Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. Enjoying Bridget's song and always have a place in my heart for a Rick player. Gary ________________________________ From: John Rennie To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:59:42 AM Subject: Re: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (and Dark Sun) http://www.myouterspace.net/ JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Clark Sent: 03 February 2009 17:33 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) >> There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called? "My Outer Space" . Anyone have a real URL for this site? I'm not clever enough to find it... Thanks! Jonathan From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Feb 3 14:00:21 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:00:21 -0800 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (and Dark Sun) Message-ID: Bridget songs real good. Hawkwind's loss. The song with Alan sounded a little too much like Europe's "Final Countdown." Not enough Rick in the mix too! NP: Linton Kwesi Johnson: Independant Intavenshan - The Island Anthology? ________________________________ From: John Rennie To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:59:42 AM Subject: Re: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (and Dark Sun) http://www.myouterspace.net/ JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Clark Sent: 03 February 2009 17:33 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) >> There are 3 free cd downloads available from a site called? "My Outer Space" . Anyone have a real URL for this site? I'm not clever enough to find it... Thanks! Jonathan From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Tue Feb 3 17:29:11 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:29:11 -0500 Subject: Bridgette Wishart and Alan Davey (& Dark Sun) Message-ID: Thanks Carl . Yes I did download the Dark Sun track . I also have always liked Dark Sun too . From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Feb 3 18:39:54 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:39:54 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com FEBRUARY 4, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #11). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NEWS: Issue #3 of Psych Trail Mix is ready to ship out! Psych Trail Mix is a printed zine published by psychedelic enthusiast Brent Marley, and the mag just keeps getting better and better. Issue #3 is 50 pages and features the following: *What Goes On *60's Psych and Beyond CD Reviews *Show Reviews *DVD & Book Reviews *Rant: Snooty SUV Driving Suburbanite Slobs *Interview with Jack Grisham of TSOL *Interview with Rick Brown of The Misunderstood *Helios Creed: Legendary Space Rock Guitar God At Work *Interview With Ian Bruce-Dougls of The Ultimate Spinach *Butthole Surfers Experience Feature *And Much More! The mag is $3 for all orders within the USA and $5 for International orders. Brent points out this fee is only to cover the cost to produce the zine and shipping. He's still not profiting off of it. Brent accepts Paypal and his ID is johnsmoke104 at hotmail.com. For all other methods of payment email him at psychtrailmix at yahoo.com. The Psych Trail Mix web site is at: http://www.myspace.com/psychtrailmix Space Does Not Care (show #11) Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. CENSUS OF HALLUCINATIONS - "The Moon" (from ST'd - Stone Premonitions) CENSUS OF HALLUCINATIONS - "Have Him Stripped and Washed and Sent to My Tent" (from 3rd Eye) CENSUS OF HALLUCINATIONS - "Opening the Trapdoor to Outer Space" (from 6th Sense) MAJOR STARS - "Collapsing" (from Syntoptikon - Important) MANILLA ROAD - "Hammer of the Witches" (from The Deluge - Black Widow) FARFLUNG - "Endless Drifting Wreck" (from A Wound in Eternity - Meteor City) AMON DUUL - "Die Losung" (from Die Losung - Plastic Head) FIRST NATION - "Monkey" (from ST'd - Paw Tracks) SQUAREPUSHER - "Venus #17 " (from Venus #17 EP - Warp) ALIEN SEX FIEND - "Ain't Got Time to Bleed" (from Bat Cave Masters - Cleopatra) THIRD EYE FOUNDATION - "What Is It With You" (from Little Lost Soul - Merge) SPECTRUM - "Confederate Dead" (from Indian Giver w/Capt. Memphis - Birdman) ST 37 - "The Grain Kings" (from Down on Us - Emperor Jones) THE FUGS - "Frenzy" (from Second Album - Fantasy) FLY ASHTRAY - "Spirit of the Age" (from V/A Assassins of Silence/One-Hundred-Watt Violence - Ceres) MICHAEL KAROLI and SOFORTKONTAKT - "Live @ Barbican Center" (from V/A Ascension Days - Drag City) MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO - "Euthanasia" (from Satyrikon - Play It Again) ORBITAL - "Tension" (from The Alltogether - FFRR) ROLLERBALL - "Mike's Hind" (from Real Hair - Road Cone) ROCKIN' TEENAGE COMBO - "Hwen" (from Mr. Birdy's Friday - Endless) SKY CRIES MARY - "Chickaboom Cocktail" (from Seeds EP - Collective Fruit) SPACE MONKEYS - "Serenity" (from V/A Mind Expansion Vol. 1 - Mind Expansion) OCASEK - "Cinematic" (from Cinematic '96-'97 - Digitalis/Orchard) PIGFACE vs. TRANQUILITY BASS - "Warzone" (from V/A Chemical Warfare - Invisible) FREQ NASTY & BLIM - "The Desert Music" (from V/A Reich Remixed - Nonesuch) CUJO - "Paris Streatham" (from Adventures in Foam - NinjaTune) THE SHAMEN - "Re-Evolution" (from Boss Drum - Epic) http://Aural-Innovations.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 14:48:08 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:48:08 GMT Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Lost Johnny's message of Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:32:34 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Feb 6 09:49:35 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:49:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: I don't know who that guy was or where he was from, but I guess it's all a matter of opinion. Personally I like all the releases you mentioned, although I would say IITBOTFTBD is probably my favorite of the three for a very late night. I also quite like many of the cuts from 'The Business Trip'. I always thought that album was good showcase for the 'Power trio version of Hawkwind'. Peace, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 6 14:13:41 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:13:41 EST Subject: Alan Davey in Star Trek Message-ID: i'VE JUST HAD A LOOK AT THAT. yEAH, IT'S HIM. sTEVE. In a message dated 03/02/2009 14:32:54 GMT Standard Time, stevefreight at GMAIL.COM writes: Anyone else thought that's Alan when they've watched the episode Way to Eden? And he is playing a hippie character! From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 18:42:05 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:42:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: No ,his name was Chris and he was from Waukegan,Illinois ,USA ,right outside Chicago . He was a really die hard fan too . He was one of Mike Colemans best customers when he ran his Delta wave ,had all kinds of rare stuff,and also used to go to all the Nik Turner and Hawkwind shows . He just absolutely hated the kind of , electronic music of the ElectricTepee , IITBOTF era, and one day just sold all his stuff and really didn't follow the band anymore . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 18:50:18 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:50:18 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where me Warrior test-press came from!!!! and the best Church of Hawkwind before this one I had to buy a truckload so Wilfried would end up with an Irish one......he's simply in denial and I want it back but with a better cover If only I could tell the story of Chris coming to my house on forum,,,,,,, then I was in touch with him later again (through Vintage Vinyl where that Warrior originated from) then back out of touch......I wonder how his snake is doing....... On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > No ,his name was Chris and he was from Waukegan,Illinois ,USA ,right > outside > Chicago . He was a really die hard fan too . He was one of Mike Colemans > best customers when he ran his Delta wave ,had all kinds of rare stuff,and > also used to go to all the Nik Turner and Hawkwind shows . He just > absolutely hated the kind of , electronic music of the ElectricTepee , > IITBOTF era, and one day just sold all his stuff and really didn't follow > the band anymore . > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 18:53:48 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:53:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Mike , I personally don't like most of Tepee or the electronic stuff ,but for instance ,I like the Bridget era Space Bandits stuff which some fans don't . So theres always a few each of us don't care for . In the early days of Deep Purple ,a lot fans were turned off temporarily by one album they did right before the famous Machine Head album ,which was with a Orchestra and was classical music and was like listening to Beethoven or Bach . I remember hating that one too at the time . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 18:55:03 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:55:03 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902061550r69942763n8c695bb64569f674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now by chance you know how to reacch Larry Urick...(possible misspell on the last name) that guy was also a close associate and drug abuse caused me to fall away on him Chris took to Porcupine Tree On 2/6/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Where me Warrior test-press came from!!!! and the best Church of Hawkwind > before this one > I had to buy a truckload so Wilfried would end up with an Irish > one......he's simply in denial and I want it back but with a better cover > If only I could tell the story of Chris coming to my house on forum,,,,,,, > then I was in touch with him later again (through Vintage Vinyl where that > Warrior originated from) then back out of touch......I wonder how his snake > is doing....... > > > > On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> No ,his name was Chris and he was from Waukegan,Illinois ,USA ,right >> outside >> Chicago . He was a really die hard fan too . He was one of Mike Colemans >> best customers when he ran his Delta wave ,had all kinds of rare stuff,and >> also used to go to all the Nik Turner and Hawkwind shows . He just >> absolutely hated the kind of , electronic music of the ElectricTepee , >> IITBOTF era, and one day just sold all his stuff and really didn't follow >> the band anymore . >> > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 19:04:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:04:08 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike , I personally don't like most of Tepee or the electronic stuff ,but > for instance ,I like the Bridget era Space Bandits stuff which some fans > don't . So theres always a few each of us don't care for . In the early > days of Deep Purple ,a lot fans were turned off temporarily by one album > they did right before the famous Machine Head album ,which was with a > Orchestra and was classical music and was like listening to Beethoven or > Bach . I remember hating that one too at the time . > One of the things I always admired about the fans.....the differental preferences are endless.....I'm guilty of liking the UA material strongest, but I am very open with all else as I still enjoy the whole "chaos" ten shades better than anyone else (other artists) I do wish they would all go to group therapy on film like Metallica did, and in the end thank Dave for their careers despite his money matters or whatever the problem ends up being I personally HATED the Bridget stuff, and me and my friend Pierre had a party when she was out, but I imagine she is an extremely cool lady, and fun to hang out, but I sure enjoy the music she was on better now that the deathly fear of her being a continual member is long gone!!! to each their own!!! From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 19:06:47 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:06:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Mike ,Its been a few years since I talked to him ,but he did still have his snake . And he was still working for the phone company as a lineman .I don't think he would get rid of that snake but you never know. He loved collecting Hawkwind at one time too ,and then overnight kind of just stopped . If you told me then that he would stop collecting Hawkwind ,I wouldn't have believed it .If I remember right ,you got quite a few of his rare things when he got rid of them. I did get a few though ,as did Jim Collins and Brian Perrera and maybe even Fred and John too. I do remember him flying to your house in Texas and also flying out to Brian's house before he had Cleopatra records going . He sure made Steve from Vintage Vinyl happy with all his purchases too . Vintage Vinyl could really get some good stuff too ,but was always kind of high priced though. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 19:13:48 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:13:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just apologize so much here when I think of Chris, I think of Larry i'm sure when and if you reveal yourself to me it will be an "of course" moment I haven't forgotten anyone, they still occupy a brain-cell somewhere.... On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,Its been a few years since I talked to him ,but he did still have > his snake . And he was still working for the phone company as a lineman .I > don't think he would get rid of that snake but you never know. He loved > collecting Hawkwind at one time too ,and then overnight kind of just > stopped > . If you told me then that he would stop collecting Hawkwind ,I wouldn't > have believed it .If I remember right ,you got quite a few of his rare > things when he got rid of them. I did get a few though ,as did Jim Collins > and Brian Perrera and maybe even Fred and John too. I do remember him > flying > to your house in Texas and also flying out to Brian's house before he had > Cleopatra records going . He sure made Steve from Vintage Vinyl happy with > all his purchases too . Vintage Vinyl could really get some good stuff too > ,but was always kind of high priced though. > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 19:14:51 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:14:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Finally Mike ! I knew if you heard Jim and Chris and Brian and Fred you would remember eventually . I kind of lost touch with you and others over the years as with Chris too .And Brian with his Cleopatra was really too busy too. Jim C. and Fred are also on Ebay, Jim C.with his Ozwind store. Both have been selling a lot of there collection over the last year or so . And I believe Larry Boyd and his friend Doug passed away too . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 19:25:38 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:25:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Mike ,don't feel bad Mike . Work ,sickness ,losses ,addictions , bad luck ,etc.,make us all lose track of things sometimes . I do say that when you ran Delta wave and the two Brian's ran the "Rock Cave" and the Hawkfan newsletter ,and Dietrich and Trevor ran the Hawkzines, information was much better on releases coming out,especially on rare and related things . I didn't miss anything .Now when some Hawk or Nik turner or Harvey item ,etc., comes out,its never on the bands or the Yahoo forums. I miss that......Larry From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 19:27:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:27:55 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry??? Haven't spoke with Brain again but would like too.....I always imagined him a high-roller now driving a pink cadillac in Marina Del Rey.... Jim is still a blood brother but I caught him being too lazy to come to the computer, so alas I am now closer with Carol than ever before...Jim is almost family Larry Boyd was my very first Hawkwind contact outside of Dallas and Mary and I reflect on him often.....he almost drove to my house and I now regret not encouraging him to do so more aggresively You were equal to them and you helped me with a bunch of stuff incidentally how many Agents Of Chaos LP's must I buy with Wilfried' money??? On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Finally Mike ! I knew if you heard Jim and Chris and Brian and Fred you > would remember eventually . I kind of lost touch with you and others over > the years as with Chris too .And Brian with his Cleopatra was really too > busy too. Jim C. and Fred are also on Ebay, Jim C.with his Ozwind store. > Both have been selling a lot of there collection over the last year or so > . And I believe Larry Boyd and his friend Doug passed away too . > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 19:42:20 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:42:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: I used to trade tapes for years with Larry Boyd . He was a really nice guy. He would get a tape and send it to everybody for nothing even though he didn't really have the finances to do so . Today to get a tape from some Hawkfans you need gold bars. I still remember his postcards . I used to get Hawk and Nik tapes from him and used to send him tapes of albums I had bought . He always wanted Bevis Frond ,Outskirts of Infinity , Alices Orb,etc. He loved Bevis Frond . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 19:44:14 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:44:14 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't frikin' belive it's YOU was it Urich?? I still have all my now yellowing cards I now work as a paid consultant to the Hawkwind Hitler, so fear not, I can (force) him to tell me everything and pass it along (kidding wilfried kidding) to be completely honest, I couldn't be happier with anyone else reappearing than you Chris and I had some differences in the way we approached unallowed things how's your mom??? I hope alive and well, poor lady took so many of my calls I had and still have one glaring obsessive compulsive disorder, that being LP covers (what I can do to reapir them would make jaws drop, but I am my own worst enemy) I recall I never got a couple back to you but also never billed for some stuff what a goof huh??? anyway, let me know what is required to be in good standing with you, and I'll do it Delta-Wave is an energy and a concept I also sorta got depressed and stepped aaide when Lasko was taking names at shows.... On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,don't feel bad Mike . Work ,sickness ,losses ,addictions , bad luck > ,etc.,make us all lose track of things sometimes . I do say that when you > ran Delta wave and the two Brian's ran the "Rock Cave" and the Hawkfan > newsletter ,and Dietrich and Trevor ran the Hawkzines, information was > much > better on releases coming out,especially on rare and related things . I > didn't miss anything .Now when some Hawk or Nik turner or Harvey item > ,etc., > comes out,its never on the bands or the Yahoo forums. I miss > that......Larry > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 19:59:04 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:59:04 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess what I think YOU may have turned me on to Bevis Frond, amnd then I in turn turned him onto them They became his favorite band, (er,Artiste), surpassing even Hawkwind Larry was on this forum before my leaving, and he was quite challenging here!!!! I don't ever ask anybody for anything and then one member of this forum so generously fixed me up with some stuff that I am as yet too stupid to decode everything HW stands up to time though, and it'll be just as good later I was just playing "outskirts" last night great stuff and Iam still offering MEGARARE first pressing CD mispresses of "Incident At Pilatus" with silent gaps bewteen tracks must be worth a fortune now huh...and that reminds me...Andy G Andy G oh sh%T, I'm sorry I', sorry I forgot Ben could you PLEASE get Andy's email addy functioning on this forum PLEASE??? Larry if you ever wabt to talk again I will be glad to call you you also have my email that is your call, no pun intended On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > I used to trade tapes for years with Larry Boyd . He was a really nice > guy. He would get a tape and send it to everybody for nothing even though > he > didn't really have the finances to do so . Today to get a tape from some > Hawkfans you need gold bars. I still remember his postcards . I used to get > Hawk and Nik tapes from him and used to send him tapes of albums I had > bought . He always wanted Bevis Frond ,Outskirts of Infinity , Alices > Orb,etc. He loved Bevis Frond . > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 6 20:08:56 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (busterpepper@midwaynet.net) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:08:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Mike its me . It is URICK . My moms okay ,shes still going strong at like 73 now . But I hear your mom passed away as did Chris Bruce ,Larry Boyd and Larry's friend Doug. Your mom was a big part of your life so you must have been heartbroken for a long time. Many days I talked to her as you did to mine. Chris began to have a problem with those "unallowed substances " you mentioned ,and its almost always catches up with you . I see you got booted from the yahoo group . Well don't feel bad ,I got booted from there too once and from the Bands forum too a couple times already . When you dropped out of your Delta wave and kind of were hard to find , I did have a order with you pending . What do I owe you ,do you remember or have your little cards still? I do remember you always sent items before you got the money . And I think I remember you did get some people that would use that against you . But man could you get the rare stuff though! ------- Original Message ------- >From : mike coleman[mailto:insect.brain at gmail.com] Sent : 2/6/2009 6:44:14 PM To : BOC-L at listserv.ispnetinc.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: HW: Reissues I can't frikin' belive it's YOU was it Urich?? I still have all my now yellowing cards I now work as a paid consultant to the Hawkwind Hitler, so fear not, I can (force) him to tell me everything and pass it along (kidding wilfried kidding) to be completely honest, I couldn't be happier with anyone else reappearing than you Chris and I had some differences in the way we approached unallowed things how's your mom??? I hope alive and well, poor lady took so many of my calls I had and still have one glaring obsessive compulsive disorder, that being LP covers (what I can do to reapir them would make jaws drop, but I am my own worst enemy) I recall I never got a couple back to you but also never billed for some stuff what a goof huh??? anyway, let me know what is required to be in good standing with you, and I'll do it Delta-Wave is an energy and a concept I also sorta got depressed and stepped aaide when Lasko was taking names at shows.... On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,don't feel bad Mike . Work ,sickness ,losses ,addictions , bad luck > ,etc.,make us all lose track of things sometimes . I do say that when you > ran Delta wave and the two Brian's ran the "Rock Cave" and the Hawkfan > newsletter ,and Dietrich and Trevor ran the Hawkzines, information was > much > better on releases coming out,especially on rare and related things . I > didn't miss anything .Now when some Hawk or Nik turner or Harvey item > ,etc., > comes out,its never on the bands or the Yahoo forums. I miss > that......Larry > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 20:31:17 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:31:17 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW: Reissues Message-ID: You don't owe me a thing I gave you the stuff but I technically owe you 2 or 3 records I just deleted a whole mail that I thought was headed just to you our reunion is my birthday (tomorrow) gift from above On 2/6/09, busterpepper at midwaynet.net wrote: > > Mike its me . It is URICK . My moms okay ,shes > still going strong at like 73 now . But I hear your > mom passed away as did Chris Bruce ,Larry Boyd and > Larry's friend Doug. Your mom was a big part of your > life so you must have been heartbroken for a long > time. Many days I talked to her as you did to mine. > Chris began to have a problem with those "unallowed > substances " you mentioned ,and its almost always > catches up with you . I see you got booted from the > yahoo group . Well don't feel bad ,I got booted from > there too once and from the Bands forum too a couple > times already . When you dropped out of your Delta > wave and kind of were hard to find , I did have a > order with you pending . What do I owe you ,do you > remember or have your little cards still? I do > remember you always sent items before you got the > money . And I think I remember you did get some > people that would use that against you . But man > could you get the rare stuff though! > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : mike coleman[mailto:insect.brain at gmail.com] > Sent : 2/6/2009 6:44:14 PM > To : BOC-L at listserv.ispnetinc.net > Cc : > Subject : RE: Re: HW: Reissues > > I can't frikin' belive it's YOU > was it Urich?? > I still have all my now yellowing cards > I now work as a paid consultant to the Hawkwind > Hitler, so fear not, I can > (force) him to tell me everything and pass it along > (kidding wilfried kidding) > to be completely honest, I couldn't be happier with > anyone else reappearing > than you > Chris and I had some differences in the way we > approached unallowed things > how's your mom??? I hope alive and well, poor lady > took so many of my calls > I had and still have one glaring obsessive compulsive > disorder, that being > LP covers (what I can do to reapir them would make > jaws drop, but I am my > own worst enemy) > I recall I never got a couple back to you but also > never billed for some > stuff > what a goof huh??? > anyway, let me know what is required to be in good > standing with you, and > I'll do it > Delta-Wave is an energy and a concept > I also sorta got depressed and stepped aaide when > Lasko was taking names at > shows.... > > > > On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny > wrote: > > > > Mike ,don't feel bad Mike . Work ,sickness ,losses > ,addictions , bad luck > > ,etc.,make us all lose track of things sometimes . > I do say that when you > > ran Delta wave and the two Brian's ran the "Rock > Cave" and the Hawkfan > > newsletter ,and Dietrich and Trevor ran the > Hawkzines, information was > > much > > better on releases coming out,especially on rare > and related things . I > > didn't miss anything .Now when some Hawk or Nik > turner or Harvey item > > ,etc., > > comes out,its never on the bands or the Yahoo > forums. I miss > > that......Larry > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 6 21:33:40 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:33:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Vintage Vinyl is good if you have somebody else's money to meet his demand I cut him off, just extra baggage to a HW blood-hound like me Chris, as it turns out, had his HW collecting tied in with his mental therapy might never have been quite as much a fan as we thought glad my evil influence didn't cost him his phone-career his bad habits came and went while my own were steadfast I wish I still had my best copy of Electric Tepee vinyl that you so graciously supplied me I'll' be emailing you direct soon, will relax from the excitement for the moment don't worry about the other forums, this was the first, and has people that never even cared to be part of an online human-collection It is also monitored from on high through secret routes that I am privy too ahhh, life is grand as Steve Pond once declared and I was jealous at the time he said that On 2/6/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,Its been a few years since I talked to him ,but he did still have > his snake . And he was still working for the phone company as a lineman .I > don't think he would get rid of that snake but you never know. He loved > collecting Hawkwind at one time too ,and then overnight kind of just > stopped > . If you told me then that he would stop collecting Hawkwind ,I wouldn't > have believed it .If I remember right ,you got quite a few of his rare > things when he got rid of them. I did get a few though ,as did Jim Collins > and Brian Perrera and maybe even Fred and John too. I do remember him > flying > to your house in Texas and also flying out to Brian's house before he had > Cleopatra records going . He sure made Steve from Vintage Vinyl happy with > all his purchases too . Vintage Vinyl could really get some good stuff too > ,but was always kind of high priced though. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 06:30:56 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:30:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902061833x428979c2ia503cb72f1868778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:33:40 -0600, you sent through the ether: >ahhh, life is grand as Steve Pond once declared and I was jealous at the >time he said that "was" grand... WAS!!! Credit crunched to the hilt here, leaves plenty of time to make the Krankschaft album though ... Two tracks to go. It's very (very) diverse! -S. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sat Feb 7 06:49:47 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:49:47 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Hello, I was wondering what people think, if Hawkwind will ever make another really great record? Do you think Dave has it in him and the right peolple surrounding him? While, I can enjoy the stuff on the last studio record, it is far from being in their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make another really good one. It certainly does not help when the band probably only gets together for these small tours and lives all over england and one in France. I would love them to as I really like dave's voice and he is a great guitar player. Just curious...and it seems I was not the only one disappointed with Knights of Space. Terrible sound mix. Scott From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Feb 7 10:42:55 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:42:55 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4916E24@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On the hawkwind forums there's a post saying that 'in a recent interview' HW said the DVD had been issued with the cameras sound recording instead of the proper one they were sent, which could be after the fact excuse making, but does sound typically Hawkwind-esque. I presume that means the CD has the camera sound too as they sounded the same to me. http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/knights-of-space-t646-150.html Mundo> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:49:47 +0100> From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK> Subject: Hawkwind next CD> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > Hello,> > I was wondering what people think, if Hawkwind will ever make another really great record? Do you think Dave has it in him and the right peolple surrounding him? While, I can enjoy the stuff on the last studio record, it is far from being in their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make another really good one. It certainly does not help when the band probably only gets together for these small tours and lives all over england and one in France. I would love them to as I really like dave's voice and he is a great guitar player.> > Just curious...and it seems I was not the only one disappointed with Knights of Space. Terrible sound mix.> > Scott _________________________________________________________________ Twice the fun?Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 12:20:38 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:20:38 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4916E24@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Sadly, I very much doubt if they will ever produce another great album.? It is hard to see where the songs for a great album would come from. --- On Sat, 7/2/09, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: From: SHLL (Scott Heller) Subject: Hawkwind next CD To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Saturday, 7 February, 2009, 11:49 AM Hello, I was wondering what people think, if Hawkwind will ever make another really great record? Do you think Dave has it in him and the right peolple surrounding him? While, I can enjoy the stuff on the last studio record, it is far from being in their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make another really good one. It certainly does not help when the band probably only gets together for these small tours and lives all over england and one in France. I would love them to as I really like dave's voice and he is a great guitar player. Just curious...and it seems I was not the only one disappointed with Knights of Space. Terrible sound mix. Scott From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 7 12:31:47 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:31:47 EST Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: I hope you are wrong Colin, however... I certainly don't want to be reminded of The Jam when I listen to Hawkwind. I've just listened to Distant Horizons again. It can't get worse than that. Steve. In a message dated 07/02/2009 17:21:44 GMT Standard Time, colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK writes: Sadly, I very much doubt if they will ever produce another great album. It is hard to see where the songs for a great album would come from. From david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Feb 7 20:24:42 2009 From: david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Hall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:24:42 +0000 Subject: Return to List Message-ID: Hi To all and sundry! I'm back on the list after spell away (laziness and a change of e-mail address). First up - any of the Scottish membership going to the Edinburgh gig? Hawks were blistering in Glasgow in December. Probably the best they've been in over 10 years - possibly since the Alien tour. Dave Hall From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sun Feb 8 02:31:12 2009 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:31:12 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: I think most bands start with a finite (in some cases very small!) pool of ideas for songwriting. Usually after three or four albums they've exhausted this pool. The good bands manage to reinvent themselves and find something new for a few more albums, and the really good bands manage it a third time. Often you find the new ideas come from personnel changes or maybe someone already in the band getting a chance to push their ideas forward. Most of us, I'm sure, can immediately think of a dozen examples of this. If you look at Hawkwind, their original ideas took them through to Doremi Fasol Latido (every time I listen to the first three albums I'm astonished by how good they are!). Then they wandered a bit before the Bob Calvert/Dave Brock partnership produced the Charisma albums (every time I listen to the Charisma albums I'm astonished by how good they are!!). But since Levitation it's hard to point to any new inspiration. Dave Brock seems to have become very interested in electronic music (e.g. Church of Hawkwind) but that didn't produce any real innovation. So as things stand it's hard to see how they'd ever rescale the heights. Where are the ideas to come from? Maybe this sounds a bit negative, but I don't mean it to be. All bands suffer from the same problem, and Hawkwind have produced more great albums than most. They still remain the band I define myself by, and I still like all of their albums (even though some don't get played that often). JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of SHLL (Scott Heller) Sent: 07 February 2009 11:50 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind next CD Hello, I was wondering what people think, if Hawkwind will ever make another really great record? Do you think Dave has it in him and the right peolple surrounding him? While, I can enjoy the stuff on the last studio record, it is far from being in their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make another really good one. It certainly does not help when the band probably only gets together for these small tours and lives all over england and one in France. I would love them to as I really like dave's voice and he is a great guitar player. Just curious...and it seems I was not the only one disappointed with Knights of Space. Terrible sound mix. Scott From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sun Feb 8 02:45:51 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: John ,bands also right better music when there are multiple writers who have a say in the song selection . In Hawkwind for a long time now ,everyone is afraid to speak up and disagree when something is bad like the Distant Horizons or Knights of Space mix and get sacked . At the time of Doremi,Hall of mt grill ,Space Ritual ,Warrior, the band had multi members writing ,who were all equal in stature ,and one band member could not get his way on his own or sack anybody . And they had a major record label UA to provide money for sessions and travel and tours and everything was in writing under contract . For a few years now its kinds of Dave's way or the highway . The situation with Knights of Space is a perfect example . I mean after listening to the final mix ,someone had to speak up and say something about how bad it was mixed but no one did. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sun Feb 8 03:00:37 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 03:00:37 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 cd Message-ID: In the USA in the recent days ,the horrible audience tapes sourced Reading 92 and Minneapolis 89 cds from the Hawkwind Voiceprint direct on line page are now showing up new online in stores like Tower ,cd universe , Amazon like $30 . I don't think too many people were ordering them from Hawkwind Direct . I did and boy was I sorry when I got them . Why the band authorized these for release I don't understand ,when Dave HAS to have a lot of wonderful soundboards to choose from . Beware any fan who orders these and listens to them will be upset with the sound quality . Especially any new fans . From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Feb 8 13:06:53 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:06:53 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Well, if below is true why did no one in the band bother to care enough to actually listen to it before it was released. I for sure would never let anyone release something that I had not personally listened to and watched myself. It is just a waste of money for a lot of fans who spent their cash on this. Pity... Scott On the hawkwind forums there's a post saying that 'in a recent interview' HW said the DVD had been issued with the cameras sound recording instead of the proper one they were sent, which could be after the fact excuse making, but does sound typically Hawkwind-esque. I presume that means the CD has the camera sound too as they sounded the same to me. http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/knights-of-space-t646-150.html Mundo> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:49:47 +0100> From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK> Mundo> Subject: Hawkwind next CD> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > Mundo> Hello,> > I was wondering what people think, if Hawkwind will Mundo> ever make another really great record? Do you think Dave has it Mundo> in him and the right peolple surrounding him? While, I can enjoy Mundo> the stuff on the last studio record, it is far from being in Mundo> their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make Mundo> another really good one. It certainly does not help when the band Mundo> probably only gets together for these small tours and lives all Mundo> over england and one in France. I would love them to as I really Mundo> like dave's voice and he is a great guitar player.> > Just Mundo> curious...and it seems I was not the only one disappointed with Mundo> Knights of Space. Terrible sound mix.> > Scott _________________________________________________________________ Twice the fun-Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 13:20:50 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:20:50 EST Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Yet another cock up. I spoke to Mr Dibs at Hawkfest. He was telling me about how good the sound was on this. This was at the time when it was delayed, then delayed again, then there was a further delay. Then what do we get... All that time and they f*** it up! It sounds good, but it could be so much better. Steve. In a message dated 08/02/2009 18:08:25 GMT Standard Time, shll at HAGEDORN.DK writes: Well, if below is true why did no one in the band bother to care enough to actually listen to it before it was released. I for sure would never let anyone release something that I had not personally listened to and watched myself. It is just a waste of money for a lot of fans who spent their cash on this. Pity... Scott On the hawkwind forums there's a post saying that 'in a recent interview' HW said the DVD had been issued with the cameras sound recording instead of the proper one they were sent, which could be after the fact excuse making, but does sound typically Hawkwind-esque. I presume that means the CD has the camera sound too as they sounded the same to me. From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Feb 8 14:46:03 2009 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:46:03 -0000 Subject: Knights in Space Message-ID: Thank you - this explanation is a huge relief, though tinged with regret. I'd been planning to play it to the (several) latent Hawkwind fans I know to convince them how good Hawkwind are just now - but when I listened to it the sound was so disappointing I simply filed it straight into the collection and haven't bothered to take it out again even for myself, let alone other people. I'm still encouraging people to get tickets for the gigs but it would have been nice to have a CD I could use as evidence. Ah well jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind next CD > > > Yet another cock up. > I spoke to Mr Dibs at Hawkfest. He was telling me about how good the > sound > was on this. This was at the time when it was delayed, then delayed again, > then there was a further delay. > Then what do we get... > All that time and they f*** it up! > It sounds good, but it could be so much better. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 08/02/2009 18:08:25 GMT Standard Time, shll at HAGEDORN.DK > writes: > > Well, if below is true why did no one in the band bother to care enough > to > actually listen to it before it was released. I for sure would never let > anyone release something that I had not personally listened to and > watched myself. > It is just a waste of money for a lot of fans who spent their cash on > this. > > Pity... > > Scott > > > > On the hawkwind forums there's a post saying that 'in a recent interview' > HW > said the DVD had been issued with the cameras sound recording instead of > the > proper one they were sent, which could be after the fact excuse making, > but > does sound typically Hawkwind-esque. I presume that means the CD has the > camera sound too as they sounded the same to me. > > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 15:00:53 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:00:53 EST Subject: Knights in Space Message-ID: I know what you mean Jill. When I eventually received this, I had finished work early. Imagine my delight etc... I poured a beer, put the DVD in, sat down, had a drink, whacked the volume up, pressed play, loved the way the Hawkwind logo turned into a Doctor Who style tunnel, thought to myself where is this hi-definition picture, had another slurp, picked up the remote control to get a better sound, tried all the different varieties of sound offered on my DVD surround sound conbo, Sharon arrives home and shouts "YOU'VE GOT IT THEN", yeah, I say. A tad disappointing. but still good to see. Too many close ups od Dibsy though. Coincidentally that's the only time it seemed to be Hi-Definition. Only 'avin a larf. Cheers, Steve. In a message dated 08/02/2009 19:47:10 GMT Standard Time, jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: Thank you - this explanation is a huge relief, though tinged with regret. I'd been planning to play it to the (several) latent Hawkwind fans I know to convince them how good Hawkwind are just now - but when I listened to it the sound was so disappointing I simply filed it straight into the collection and haven't bothered to take it out again even for myself, From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 08:02:56 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:02:56 GMT Subject: Return to List In-Reply-To: Dave Hall's message of Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:24:42 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 08:04:08 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:04:08 GMT Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: John Rennie's message of Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:31:12 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 9 11:29:07 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:29:07 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: John , your right about the first three albums being great, especially Doremi. And the Charisma albums were great too .I always loved all of them . But during the Charisma era , there was a major label providing all the money for recording,tours and promotion . And everybody was under their contract . There was NO one man ruling over every one else . Money ,tours ,songwriting ,publishing was set by written contract with management and the record label ,not just Dave Brock .And one more BIG ,BIG thing That doesn't exist today . Robert Calvert . Robert pretty much wrote or co-wrote every song during the Charisma years . And one thing is for sure ,Robert Calvert was not afraid to stand up and demand his fair share of anything from anybody . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 9 11:53:46 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:53:46 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Scott ,not only Knights of Space ,but now Reading 92 and Minneapolis 89 are all in official release too . They are even online everywhere for around $30 .Imagine a new fan , or someone has been off for a year or so from buying Hawkwind ,who goes online at Amazon,Walmart ,Tower ,etc . He or she orders the new ,official ,band released cd's ,Knights of Space , Reading 92 , Minneapolis 89 ,Glastonbury 90 , Complete 79 ,Live 1990 and Choose Your Masques 1982 , thinking man I found heaven . Boy ,would they be mad when they received them and found out the crummy sound quality . I for one ,never buy any official Hawkwind release anymore until I hear from impartial other buyers. And thats sad for fans to have to do that. Starfarer on his website should start a codex for bad official releases like he has for all the bad Yuri Gargarian and Text of Festival remakes . I think the band official ,crummy ,sound quality releases now outnumber those . Your right about ST37 , I don't ever remember any that sounded like Knights of Space or the others . I even have some of your homemade ST37 cassettes from quite a while back and they sound way better too. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 9 16:55:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:55:08 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry I am serious here send a couple cds to Dave directly and politely ask for something else if nothing else your voice will be heard directly I was not bothered by someof the CD's you mentioned but I understand this I remember when Voiceprint started and I thought they were the shittiest label on earth as I also did Ozit It looked to me like these folks were buying the cheapest stuff they could get their hands on and this may now be the case I realise it doesn't help a fan who is unhappy but my suspicion is that these were cheap to get and release also, Dave is old now and may not have fully realised about the quality, etc I personally like to think that he released them to specifically piss a couple people off, but I don't expect everyone to be amused like me were this to be the case!!! I never understaood complaints about Distant Horizons (me now rambling, nothing to do with your posts) I think just "Wheels" makes it a certified masterpiece worthy of silver and gold awards as well as a 180 gm vinyl press and "Phetamine Street" geez what a treasure chest...... If Hawkwind never did another thing, I'd still be taking them to my coffin in an attempt to bring them into the next world Steve if you're reading, I do not recognize the film clip set to "Chronoglide Skyway", but it was lurvly and so serene,and last: If Hawkwind only ever put out just one song, "Chronoglide Skyway", in their entire career, I'd still say they were the best band ever,,,,I think!!! ?? On 2/9/09, Lost Johnny wr > > Scott ,not only Knights of Space ,but now Reading 92 and Minneapolis 89 > are all in official release too . They are even online everywhere for > around $30 .Imagine a new fan , or someone has been off for a year or so > from buying Hawkwind ,who goes online at Amazon,Walmart ,Tower ,etc . He or > she orders the new ,official ,band released cd's ,Knights of Space , > Reading 92 , Minneapolis 89 ,Glastonbury 90 , Complete 79 ,Live 1990 and > Choose Your Masques 1982 , thinking man I found heaven . Boy ,would they be > mad when they received them and found out the crummy sound quality . I for > one ,never buy any official Hawkwind release anymore until I hear from > impartial other buyers. And thats sad for fans to have to do that. > Starfarer > on his website should start a codex for bad official releases like he has > for all the bad Yuri Gargarian and Text of Festival remakes . I think the > band official ,crummy ,sound quality releases now outnumber those . Your > right about ST37 , I don't ever remember any that sounded like Knights of > Space or the others . I even have some of your homemade ST37 cassettes from > quite a while back and they sound way better too. > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Feb 9 19:46:06 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:46:06 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com FEBRUARY 10, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #211). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #211) Sky Picnic ? ?Sequence IV? (from Synesthesia) Jet Jaguar ? ?Spider Rose? (from Live/Deathrace) Mahamudra ? ?The Hand That Turns The Wheel? (from Forever Set The Controls To The Heart Of The Sun) Dreamspirit ? ?Indidelic Wavophonic? (from forthcoming Sonic World Order) Dark Sun ? ?Song the Seamans Bane? (from Song the Seamans Bane 7?) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Substantia Nigra? (from Inside Your Head) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Good Planets Are Hard To Find? (from forthcoming Good Planets Are Hard To Find) Arthur Loves Plastic ? ?Mr. Shy? (from King Shag) Mac of BIOnight - "Abbastanza Tanto" (from Time and Time Again) Jack In The Box ? ?That Sound? (from Do You Believe In Beetles?) Jack In The Box ? ?Hold On? (from Do You Believe In Beetles?) Skinbat Scramble ? ?Ufouk? (from Remains) Telestrion ? ?Melting Away? (from Telestrion) F/i ? ?From Poppy With Love? (from From Poppy With Love 7?) Johnson Noise ? ?Virtual Reality? (from Undine) Aurora ? ?(Night Flight to) PECAN? (from Live) The Barbarellatones ? ?River of Love Revisited? (from The Devil?s Dildo) The Gruesomes ? ?The Witch? (from Tyrants of Teen Trash) The Gruesomes ? ?Buzz Off? (from Gruesomania) Fuad & the Feztones ? ?The Boogaloser? (from Beeramid) http://Aural-Innovations.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 10 16:54:30 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:54:30 -0000 Subject: can anyone edit vids In-Reply-To: <17d80c610812031156l1385b1e5r8c8a4512b1f24111@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610812040540x3bd10655u1ed0a46cd5ca57a1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610812040718t38db0e7at7c16e2f204beaf45@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610812070949u4f2afe09xab679f66f11ff235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hallo all, the chap who was going to synch the mastered inner city hawks soundtrack to the vid now says he can't do it...2 months later...cough!...swoon! it starts off in synch but by the end of the vid it is a couple of seconds out is there any wonderful person here who can edit vids and is willing to undertake this task they are realplayer files, both sound and visuals help trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:36 PM To: Subject: Re: (ON)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Inner City Hawks > anyway, the PAL thing only applies to videos, not dvd's > doesn't it? > > you're trying to mislead me so i enter the gates of hell > > t > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "trev" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:04 PM > To: > Subject: Re: (ON)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Inner City Hawks > >> well you seem to have had the time to learn the english language...sort >> of >> >> anyway for folks who can play PAL dvd's (will make efforts to get some in >> nstc or whatever it is if i see any interest) >> >> Inner City Hawks live at the Standard, London (a few years ago) >> >> This was their one and only gig (no rehearsal of course) >> >> It is a collectors "Must Buy" >> >> The promoter of the Standard rang me up and said "Hallo Trev, I've got a >> spot for next Thursday can you do it?" >> I said, "Sure" (thinking hard) >> "I've got this band with Ron Tree from Hawkwind" (remembering that we had >> played at the Hamburg Hawkfest a year or so previously) >> "What's the name of the band" >> I never expected this >> "Erm, well, haha, blub blub ooh" (pregnant pause) >> "INNER CITY HAWKS," I blurted out >> >> Commander Jim Hawkman, and Angelflame turned up on the night too. I've >> forgotten the drummers name. >> >> The gig was very good >> >> It's got Blanga >> >> It was video'd by someone. >> >> It will be ready in a couple of days. >> >> It will be ?10 free postage. >> >> I'm trying to get it out in time for Xmas >> >> Stop talking about other people and start talking about me...ME ME ME >> d'ya hear! >> >> >> Judge Trev >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:49 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >> >>> Trev my endeavors transforming a common high-school dropout into mangod >>> allow me little time to afford any attention on how to play PAL >>> DVDS..... >>> and you know how I hate computers making any noise...... >>> >>> >>> On 12/7/08, trev wrote: >>>> >>>> to tex coleman >>>> >>>> so i offer you all the magnificent inner city hawks collectors video >>>> you offer me your sister >>>> and i hear nothing...nothing >>>> no one likes me waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa >>>> >>>> trev >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "trev" >>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:53 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "mike coleman" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:18 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>> >>>>> Come to the states >>>>>> travel to Upland Caluifornia with me >>>>>> do my sister >>>>>> shes says she's lean and trim now >>>>>> I'm to old for young bands, the acid isn't potent like it was....in >>>>>> fact >>>>>> is >>>>>> it acid anymore?? >>>>>> how can anybody have anything to offer musically anymore when >>>>>> everyone is >>>>>> a >>>>>> sheep?? (other than whipped cream and destruction) (or shaving cream >>>>>> if >>>>>> it >>>>>> doesn't glob off) >>>>>> the problem is not the Trilateral shepherds, it's the grazing masses >>>>>> who >>>>>> chose the pasture even when they are shown a cut in the barbed-wire >>>>>> fence, >>>>>> and refuse to allow themselves to see that they are mowing the lawns >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> elite >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/4/08, trev wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> no referee's >>>>>>> all he has to do is assume that everything is mine, and we'll get >>>>>>> along >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> now about the inner city hawks...i notice that no one has commented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> their first and last gig? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it'll show all the youth bands just what we gods can do without even >>>>>>> rehearsing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a collectors "must" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> maybe you've all got it anyway >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i'm 58 now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> trev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "mike coleman" >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:40 PM >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space >>>>>>> Rangers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OMG!!! here is a way to for you to enjoy it!!!!, well actually a way >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> to enjoy someone else enjoying it!!!, and NOBODYeven has to eat it >>>>>>>> did I mention the 3CD bootleg ICU set "attack of the mad saxman"?? >>>>>>>> did I ask if there was a legetimate release called "acid punks"??, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>> I saw that title when I was too depressed to do music yet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/3/08, Mary Sullivan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can I be the referee, between you 2, just keep that nasty whipped >>>>>>>>> cream >>>>>>>>> among those who like the stuff, ak! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>>>>>>> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:57 PM >>>>>>>>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>>>>>>> Subject: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I mean whipped creamed, and you'll have to ask Steve about the >>>>>>>>> disc,,,,,it's >>>>>>>>> HIS!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/3/08, mike coleman wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > yes 'youre welcome to the name, but I want my brighton punk >>>>>>>>> > chicks >>>>>>>>> whipped >>>>>>>>> > and creamed, and lots of destruction taking place >>>>>>>>> > I will not only live but thrive vicariously through this.... >>>>>>>>> > oh, you want my cd..... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On 12/3/08, trev wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> give it to me >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >> From: "mike coleman" >>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:20 PM >>>>>>>>> >> To: >>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/08, Amphetamine Embalmer >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> i have a 120 minute VHS of icu at Dingwalls 86, awesome >>>>>>>>> >>>> quality >>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>>>>> bob >>>>>>>>> >>>> calvert too! >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> is that the one where Calvert is standing there puffing away >>>>>>>>> >>> on >>>>>>>>> >>> his >>>>>>>>> >>> pipe?? >>>>>>>>> >>> do you have the *STEREO *label successor to the Queen >>>>>>>>> >>> Elizabeth >>>>>>>>> >>> show, >>>>>>>>> >>> where >>>>>>>>> >>> Calvert is telling the audience he hopes they haven't just >>> >>>>>>>>> interrupted >>>>>>>>> >>> their >>>>>>>>> >>> converstation?? >>>>>>>>> >>> well I do, shit, Steve, what am I sending next???? >>>>>>>>> >>> bring on the *JUDGEMATICS!!!! *ya think?? >>>>>>>>> >>> ** >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 10 17:47:07 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:47:07 -0600 Subject: can anyone edit vids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christmas, out of view.... birthday: toast now this??? Eli??? (I know you still live, I checked on you today, yes I had a happy hanukkah as I hope you did) On 2/10/09, trev wrote: > > hallo all, the chap who was going to synch the mastered inner city hawks > soundtrack to the vid now says he can't do it...2 months > later...cough!...swoon! > it starts off in synch but by the end of the vid it is a couple of seconds > out > > is there any wonderful person here who can edit vids and is willing to > undertake this task > > they are realplayer files, both sound and visuals > > help > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "trev" > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:36 PM > To: > Subject: Re: (ON)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Inner City Hawks > > anyway, the PAL thing only applies to videos, not dvd's >> doesn't it? >> >> you're trying to mislead me so i enter the gates of hell >> >> t >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "trev" >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:04 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: (ON)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Inner City Hawks >> >> well you seem to have had the time to learn the english language...sort of >>> >>> anyway for folks who can play PAL dvd's (will make efforts to get some in >>> nstc or whatever it is if i see any interest) >>> >>> Inner City Hawks live at the Standard, London (a few years ago) >>> >>> This was their one and only gig (no rehearsal of course) >>> >>> It is a collectors "Must Buy" >>> >>> The promoter of the Standard rang me up and said "Hallo Trev, I've got a >>> spot for next Thursday can you do it?" >>> I said, "Sure" (thinking hard) >>> "I've got this band with Ron Tree from Hawkwind" (remembering that we had >>> played at the Hamburg Hawkfest a year or so previously) >>> "What's the name of the band" >>> I never expected this >>> "Erm, well, haha, blub blub ooh" (pregnant pause) >>> "INNER CITY HAWKS," I blurted out >>> >>> Commander Jim Hawkman, and Angelflame turned up on the night too. I've >>> forgotten the drummers name. >>> >>> The gig was very good >>> >>> It's got Blanga >>> >>> It was video'd by someone. >>> >>> It will be ready in a couple of days. >>> >>> It will be ?10 free postage. >>> >>> I'm trying to get it out in time for Xmas >>> >>> Stop talking about other people and start talking about me...ME ME ME >>> d'ya hear! >>> >>> >>> Judge Trev >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mike coleman" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:49 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>> >>> Trev my endeavors transforming a common high-school dropout into mangod >>>> allow me little time to afford any attention on how to play PAL >>>> DVDS..... >>>> and you know how I hate computers making any noise...... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/7/08, trev wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> to tex coleman >>>>> >>>>> so i offer you all the magnificent inner city hawks collectors video >>>>> you offer me your sister >>>>> and i hear nothing...nothing >>>>> no one likes me waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa >>>>> >>>>> trev >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "trev" >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:53 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>>> From: "mike coleman" >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:18 PM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>>> >>>>>> Come to the states >>>>>> >>>>>>> travel to Upland Caluifornia with me >>>>>>> do my sister >>>>>>> shes says she's lean and trim now >>>>>>> I'm to old for young bands, the acid isn't potent like it was....in >>>>>>> fact >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> it acid anymore?? >>>>>>> how can anybody have anything to offer musically anymore when >>>>>>> everyone is >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> sheep?? (other than whipped cream and destruction) (or shaving cream >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't glob off) >>>>>>> the problem is not the Trilateral shepherds, it's the grazing masses >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> chose the pasture even when they are shown a cut in the barbed-wire >>>>>>> fence, >>>>>>> and refuse to allow themselves to see that they are mowing the lawns >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> elite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/4/08, trev wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> no referee's >>>>>>>> all he has to do is assume that everything is mine, and we'll get >>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now about the inner city hawks...i notice that no one has commented. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their first and last gig? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it'll show all the youth bands just what we gods can do without even >>>>>>>> rehearsing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a collectors "must" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> maybe you've all got it anyway >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i'm 58 now >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> trev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "mike coleman" >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:40 PM >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space >>>>>>>> Rangers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OMG!!! here is a way to for you to enjoy it!!!!, well actually a way >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> to enjoy someone else enjoying it!!!, and NOBODYeven has to eat it >>>>>>>>> did I mention the 3CD bootleg ICU set "attack of the mad saxman"?? >>>>>>>>> did I ask if there was a legetimate release called "acid punks"??, >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>> I saw that title when I was too depressed to do music yet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/3/08, Mary Sullivan wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can I be the referee, between you 2, just keep that nasty whipped >>>>>>>>>> cream >>>>>>>>>> among those who like the stuff, ak! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:57 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>>>>>>>> Subject: (OFF)Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I mean whipped creamed, and you'll have to ask Steve about the >>>>>>>>>> disc,,,,,it's >>>>>>>>>> HIS!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/08, mike coleman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > yes 'youre welcome to the name, but I want my brighton punk > >>>>>>>>>> chicks >>>>>>>>>> whipped >>>>>>>>>> > and creamed, and lots of destruction taking place >>>>>>>>>> > I will not only live but thrive vicariously through this.... >>>>>>>>>> > oh, you want my cd..... >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On 12/3/08, trev wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> give it to me >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >> From: "mike coleman" >>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:20 PM >>>>>>>>>> >> To: >>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Hawkwind - Return Of The Legendary Space Rangers >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/08, Amphetamine Embalmer >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> i have a 120 minute VHS of icu at Dingwalls 86, awesome >>>> >>>>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>>>>>> bob >>>>>>>>>> >>>> calvert too! >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> is that the one where Calvert is standing there puffing away >>>>>>>>>> >>> on >>>>>>>>>> >>> his >>>>>>>>>> >>> pipe?? >>>>>>>>>> >>> do you have the *STEREO *label successor to the Queen >>> >>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>>>>>> >>> show, >>>>>>>>>> >>> where >>>>>>>>>> >>> Calvert is telling the audience he hopes they haven't just >>> >>>>>>>>>> interrupted >>>>>>>>>> >>> their >>>>>>>>>> >>> converstation?? >>>>>>>>>> >>> well I do, shit, Steve, what am I sending next???? >>>>>>>>>> >>> bring on the *JUDGEMATICS!!!! *ya think?? >>>>>>>>>> >>> ** >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 11 12:04:15 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:04:15 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Mike , Thats really not a bad idea . I wonder if I would get an answer from Kris or Dave , if I sent Knights of Space back to them saying it must be pressed wrong or something because the sound is really bad . I really won't ever listen to it anyway . I really don't get mad ,more like just disappointed ,because I know that Dave MUST have tons of really perfect sounding unreleased live shows that we could have instead . Even Mary does ,so Dave has too. But then maybe Dave just doesn't have any . Maybe he just didn't do the smart thing and save them . I know once on some website ,I saw a guy say , "How could Hawkwind not have even one video of themselves from the 1970's or especially the Space Ritual UA era light show ?" And that is true ,how could that be ? I have always wondered that too . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 11 12:24:17 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:24:17 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: moin Larry + all, I just stepped out from behind my speaker feeling the air pump at me with Jimi singing "anything is possible" my HONEST private opinion as I haven't asked anybody in the know about these issues: Hawkwind is but for madmen only and Dave was flexing his "because I can muscle" now, before I make my next statement please realise that you and I go back to aliens and UFO's before that piss-off stupid x-files series started I played just the first CD of the complete Live 79 last night and I was blown away the second disc is about to go in we are a diverse group with many different opinions my next opinion: you likely might not hear from kris and dave but look and listen very closely to the next release he does trippy cool things and I know this firsthand not once, not twice, but more and lost count also, put any of those cds since 2002 ina pile that you don't want and I'll start a savings to buy them from you..... don't know what kind of stereo you have, imagine a good one, but I live in an apartment and dual wiring the things makes it alll this place can take have you doubled your wire or use monster cable etc>?? just another of my tarradiidlic ideas!!!! On 2/11/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike , Thats really not a bad idea . I wonder if I would get an answer > from Kris or Dave , if I sent Knights of Space back to them saying it must > be pressed wrong or something because the sound is really bad . I really > won't ever listen to it anyway . I really don't get mad ,more like just > disappointed ,because I know that Dave MUST have tons of really perfect > sounding unreleased live shows that we could have instead . Even Mary does > ,so Dave has too. But then maybe Dave just doesn't have any . Maybe he just > didn't do the smart thing and save them . I know once on some website ,I > saw > a guy say , "How could Hawkwind not have even one video of themselves from > the 1970's or especially the Space Ritual UA era light show ?" And that is > true ,how could that be ? I have always wondered that too . > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Feb 11 12:37:56 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:37:56 +0000 Subject: Debbie Giles band February 21 ( Surrey UK ) ( featuring Phil Smith on guitar ) Message-ID: The Debbie Giles band will pay a show on February 21 ( UK ) complete details at: http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/entertainment/music/s/2044804_debbies_ready_to_rock_scratchers _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Feb 12 18:16:20 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (busterpepper@midwaynet.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:16:20 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Mike ,speaking of the x-files ,do you watch Fringe ,Supernatural , Reaper , Eleventh Hour? ------- Original Message ------- >From : mike coleman[mailto:insect.brain at gmail.com] Sent : 2/11/2009 11:24:17 AM To : BOC-L at listserv.ispnetinc.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: Hawkwind next CD moin Larry + all, I just stepped out from behind my speaker feeling the air pump at me with Jimi singing "anything is possible" my HONEST private opinion as I haven't asked anybody in the know about these issues: Hawkwind is but for madmen only and Dave was flexing his "because I can muscle" now, before I make my next statement please realise that you and I go back to aliens and UFO's before that piss-off stupid x-files series started I played just the first CD of the complete Live 79 last night and I was blown away the second disc is about to go in we are a diverse group with many different opinions my next opinion: you likely might not hear from kris and dave but look and listen very closely to the next release he does trippy cool things and I know this firsthand not once, not twice, but more and lost count also, put any of those cds since 2002 ina pile that you don't want and I'll start a savings to buy them from you..... don't know what kind of stereo you have, imagine a good one, but I live in an apartment and dual wiring the things makes it alll this place can take have you doubled your wire or use monster cable etc>?? just another of my tarradiidlic ideas!!!! On 2/11/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike , Thats really not a bad idea . I wonder if I would get an answer > from Kris or Dave , if I sent Knights of Space back to them saying it must > be pressed wrong or something because the sound is really bad . I really > won't ever listen to it anyway . I really don't get mad ,more like just > disappointed ,because I know that Dave MUST have tons of really perfect > sounding unreleased live shows that we could have instead . Even Mary does > ,so Dave has too. But then maybe Dave just doesn't have any . Maybe he just > didn't do the smart thing and save them . I know once on some website ,I > saw > a guy say , "How could Hawkwind not have even one video of themselves from > the 1970's or especially the Space Ritual UA era light show ?" And that is > true ,how could that be ? I have always wondered that too . > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 12 10:34:18 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:34:18 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: <200902080731.n187VP7g083484@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: On 08 Feb 2009, at 02:31, John Rennie wrote: > But since Levitation it's hard to point to any new > inspiration. Dave Brock seems to have become very interested in > electronic music (e.g. Church of Hawkwind) but that didn't produce any > real innovation. Well, though I know there are those who differ, I think the Chronicle of the Black Sword stuff (including the live stage show) was a solid effort, and one that came about through the combination of a lot of diverse talent. I have a vague recollection that it started as a Nik- Moorcock idea, and although Nik ended up not being involved, besides Moorcock and of course Brock, there were significant contributions from particularly Huw and also Alan. Indeed, I think Alan brought a relatively fair amount to the table throughout the rest of his tenure in HW, though I think it's also true that HW has produced the most when there were more song-writers or partners in song-writing, giving the band enough material to regularly produce a relatively strong album's worth of material every year or so. However, IMO, it has been a fair old while since the band has had a sufficiently stable _and_ well-populated lineup to generate enough good material for that sort of thing. (Yeah, we are looking back almost 30 years for that, after which it has been occasional bright spots, IMO.) And, yes, plenty of bands dribble out after their first handful of albums -- though, equally, some musicians go on producing solid material for years (albeit with occasional mis-steps, but who doesn't have those). I think it's often "operational chaos" -- when bands are losing direction at a personal/professional level -- that brings about periods of little activity or questionable product. If the writers then get their heads together (or lives in order), they often start making quite solid stuff again (whether or not enough people then pay attention to get critics murmuring "comeback!" ;)). Can Hawkwind get their sh!t togetgher? History would suggest: err, no .... ;) But I suppose they (or Dave, it being his ship) _could_ if they really had the "political will". I'm not exactly holding my breath, though. (I was just about holding my breath after hearing that Roadburn gig from a few years back, since that sounded pretty strong, like a band that had just about decided to do something. But enough faffing about followed that I went on to exhale .... ;)) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 12 10:36:38 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:36:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06 Feb 2009, at 19:42, Lost Johnny wrote: > Larry Boyd Believe it or not, Larry was actually a subscriber to this list for a time (in the late '90s, I think). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 12 10:37:59 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:37:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: <3316423306.45516071@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2009, at 12:41, Steve Swann wrote: > Carl sez: >> If I go to a concert, there's no artwork -- just >> the music (and, OK, a bit of a light show, but I >> didn't go to the gig for that!). > > You know, there's a band called Hawkwind you should check out! > Their live gigs can really change your mind about what a light show > is worth... ;-) Well, if they ever tour South America, I'll check 'em out .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 10:01:49 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:01:49 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW: Reissues Message-ID: On 2/12/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 06 Feb 2009, at 19:42, Lost Johnny wrote: > >> Larry Boyd >> Believe it or not, Larry was actually a subscriber to this list for a time >> (in the late '90s, I think). > > Yup, 'bout time to put the eyeroll back in action I recall he was controversial if not fairly well read on various musical artists From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 10:23:16 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:23:16 -0600 Subject: (OFF, very OFF)Re: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: On 2/12/09, busterpepper at midwaynet.net wrote: > > Mike ,speaking of the x-files ,do you watch Fringe > ,Supernatural , Reaper , Eleventh Hour? Morning and afternoon depending........ I was really pissed that I just woke up and dropped the glass coffee caraffe to it's death until I realised it's friday the 13th....at least this time I avoided a huge shard in my foot and the bloody one-legged hopping..... The short answer is no.......the first couple years I was on the street I would just watch occasional TV with my girlfriend...... then, when I moved here, one seriously posing christian with a very dark spot in his soul gave me a set of rabbit ears that appeared to be of highest quality but 3 years later of absolutely zero television I discovered that it had no guts I had tried another very cheap pair, and I thought I got no reception back by the creek here Now I have televsion but after about ten minutes of it on I was ready to fight somebody and tear things apart my life seems to now be an experiment in just how many aspects of humanity I can recject while still being "alive"?? I'm getting really good at it and it's also fun I watch an occasional movie and listen to the radio overnight when they have somebody worth half-a-dime on the UFO subject, but I basically know everything there is to know and to not know so it's frustrating I was priding myself that I would not even spend 20 dollars to upgrade my television to the digital format and I now see it DID get postponed.....I tell you this rejection sh^t works!!! If I had cable I would be watching the UFO hunter show and all others, and also VH1 looking for Lemmy..... Yes I will watch, but suggestions would help, and it's then luck if I get the proper channel I just watched a movie "Pineapple Express" that was supposed to be a funny "stoner" movie, and I just simply do not get it.....why is such a movie made??? Couldn't that money be better used reducing the human population by a few or something?? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 10:35:23 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:35:23 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree about COTBS, and I exist in a time warp so I just cracked the shrink wrap off a reissue of Tepee, the one where they turned the border black, and it sounded brilliant....awesome My complaint with Tepee and IITBOTFTBD was simply 2 green colored LP's in a row.......but maybe there is/was a reason??? I'm pretty forgiving with Hawkwind stuff........pretty much all enjoyable to me On 2/12/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 08 Feb 2009, at 02:31, John Rennie wrote: > >> But since Levitation it's hard to point to any new >> inspiration. Dave Brock seems to have become very interested in >> electronic music (e.g. Church of Hawkwind) but that didn't produce any >> real innovation. >> > > Well, though I know there are those who differ, I think the Chronicle of > the Black Sword stuff (including the live stage show) was a solid effort, > and one that came about through the combination of a lot of diverse talent. > I have a vague recollection that it started as a Nik-Moorcock idea, and > although Nik ended up not being involved, besides Moorcock and of course > Brock, there were significant contributions from particularly Huw and also > Alan. Indeed, I think Alan brought a relatively fair amount to the table > throughout the rest of his tenure in HW, though I think it's also true that > HW has produced the most when there were more song-writers or partners in > song-writing, giving the band enough material to regularly produce a > relatively strong album's worth of material every year or so. However, IMO, > it has been a fair old while since the band has had a sufficiently stable > _and_ well-populated lineup to generate enough good material for that sort > of thing. (Yeah, we are looking back almost 30 years for that, after which > it has been occasional bright spots, IMO.) > > And, yes, plenty of bands dribble out after their first handful of albums > -- though, equally, some musicians go on producing solid material for years > (albeit with occasional mis-steps, but who doesn't have those). I think > it's often "operational chaos" -- when bands are losing direction at a > personal/professional level -- that brings about periods of little activity > or questionable product. If the writers then get their heads together (or > lives in order), they often start making quite solid stuff again (whether or > not enough people then pay attention to get critics murmuring "comeback!" > ;)). > > Can Hawkwind get their sh!t togetgher? History would suggest: err, no .... > ;) But I suppose they (or Dave, it being his ship) _could_ if they really > had the "political will". I'm not exactly holding my breath, though. > > (I was just about holding my breath after hearing that Roadburn gig from a > few years back, since that sounded pretty strong, like a band that had just > about decided to do something. But enough faffing about followed that I > went on to exhale .... ;)) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 10:45:45 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:45:45 -0600 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre Message-ID: Would some kind soul please inform me if this has ever been issued from MASTER TAPES now?? I saw the label Akarma has issued it so I was wondering if they got it right or anybody else??? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 13:02:18 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:02:18 -0600 Subject: samatha fox Message-ID: the foillow up to pimpadelic god I love this insanity This is the first play of "watching you watching me" why do I have this again?? also, I am not suggesting that any of your children or mother's be taken away I simply want the higher-ups insult to stop and you don't need roads, spacecraft, artwork, or toilet paper if you're an elk From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 13:11:07 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:11:07 +0000 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902130745n4bdeb71dg779e6522bb2f3588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike, All copies I have seen have been bootlegs - even those with all the inners and miniature repros. I knew the guy who did the first one and he did this from a vinyl copy he was sold by a friend of mine. He once told me that a later release had been remastered from one of his CD's and he had done a good job of tidy up. As for the HW tracks this is on the Greasy Truckers reissue last year which were from the master tapes. Steve On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, mike coleman wrote: > Would some kind soul please inform me if this has ever been issued from > MASTER TAPES now?? > I saw the label Akarma has issued it so I was wondering if they got it > right > or anybody else??? > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 13 13:27:09 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:27:09 -0600 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the reply Steve I have a japanese copy that seems to be the best, so I will play this one while looking at the Italian pirate version on my wall as soon as I get a display for it cheer up everyone, it's the weekend and be so glad you are not mike Coleman....this fact should have you leaping for joy into next week however, thanks to Hawkwind, I am surely the messianic figure of this hood, MEXICAN SPACE ROCK NEEDED please contact me if you can help..... ps-I bought that buccaneer copy when it first came out, but it was stolen from me while I was aimless.....the next issue says it's remastered, but it's still vinyl.......then the japanese Electric Score copy, still vinyl I had 2 strict mint copies, shame I didn't put it out also, hard core collectors take note one of my copies lacked the color yellow on just one of the labels, or something like that, but there IS a difference I am also now recalling that Larry U helped me get almost all of my now missing Jap Hawkwind CD's......didn't you Larry On 2/13/09, Steve Freight wrote: > > Mike, > > All copies I have seen have been bootlegs - even those with all the inners > and miniature repros. > > I knew the guy who did the first one and he did this from a vinyl copy he > was sold by a friend of mine. He once told me that a later release had been > remastered from one of his CD's and he had done a good job of tidy up. > > As for the HW tracks this is on the Greasy Truckers reissue last year which > were from the master tapes. > > Steve > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, mike coleman >wrote: > > > Would some kind soul please inform me if this has ever been issued from > > MASTER TAPES now?? > > I saw the label Akarma has issued it so I was wondering if they got it > > right > > or anybody else??? > > > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 14 01:31:14 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:31:14 -0500 Subject: (OFF, very OFF)Re: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: Mike ,check the internet too . You can watch a lot of TV shows on the computer on the website of the networks or local television stations . UFO hunter TV series is probably on the web too . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 14 01:39:40 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:39:40 -0500 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre Message-ID: Mike ,That was back in the days of sending for a catalog through the mail from a store who actually had it in inventory before you ordered it called Sound City 2000 and then ordering from that by mail. Brian Perrera in his pre-cleopatra days with the Hawkwind rock cave mail order used to carry a lot of Japan cds too. Now its hard to order Japanese stuff from the web ,because most stores just have lists and no inventory , and order it only when you do . With most Japan things ,thats too late because they sell out so fast. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 14 01:44:06 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:44:06 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian Message-ID: Carl ,its not Hawkwind or Hawklords or Spaceritual ,or Nik Turner,etc.,but I did see a few days ago that Motorhead has announced dates for a tour of South America . You'll get to see Lemmy at least ! From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 14 01:51:00 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:51:00 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: Mike ,did you see the Alan Davey interview from Metalville ? Its pretty bad . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 14 02:54:27 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:54:27 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: The interview is at www.metalliville.com From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Feb 14 03:01:50 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:01:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Spacerocking in Record Collector Message-ID: Loads of great spacerock collectables pictured and commented on in the current issue of Record Collector, and Hawkwind collectables and reissue programme article. On sale at your local newsagent now, or order online: http://www. recordcollectormag. com/issues/issues-list Updates on Spacerock Reviews: Serpentina Satelite (quick overview, music press review coming) Sendelica www. spacerockreviews. blogspot. com Still available, and nothing to do with spacerock at all, my interview with Tori Amos for the current issue of Rock N Reel: http://www. rock-n-reel. co. uk/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Feb 14 06:03:29 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:03:29 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Feb 2009, at 01:44 , Lost Johnny wrote: > Carl ,its not Hawkwind or Hawklords or Spaceritual ,or Nik > Turner,etc.,but > I did see a few days ago that Motorhead has announced dates for a > tour of > South America . You'll get to see Lemmy at least ! Woo hoo! Well, I guess they have been known to fly down to Brazil from time to time, after all. I'll have to see if they've included a stop-over in Bogot?. We are getting Maiden and the Mob Rules Sabbath lineup, so Motorhead is not an impossibility! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 14 07:30:32 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:30:32 -0600 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: don't know if I read that one or from somewhere else, but it was sickening, and I couldn't escape the notion that he had looked the other way when something similar happened to somebody else, but then when it happened to him...... also not forgetting that if Brock didn't put him in on the strength of a cassette in the mail, we'd likely not be reading such a thing I recall 1988/89, and Huw saying that only certain members werer getting paid, and that was the last straw for him (at that time apparently), so HELLO!!!! ,money and Hawkwind don't always make the best of bedfellows I'm just a fan looking for escape from myself, don't want to hear that crap really, feel sorry for anybody who's been taken or ejected of course, but there is nothing new here, and all careers are basically owed to Dave On 2/14/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,did you see the Alan Davey interview from Metalville ? Its pretty bad > . > From ibeus at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Feb 14 09:16:12 2009 From: ibeus at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ib Eus) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:16:12 +0000 Subject: Any interest in these? HW/BOC Message-ID: Just wondering if anybody is interested in some items I have lying around looking for a good home. Please email me off-list to discuss further. ibeus at yahoo.co.uk CD Space Rock From London (Genschman GENSCH 1002 CD) 45 Kings Of Speed/Kings Of Speed (plug side mono/stereo promo) (quantity 2) 45 Silver Machine (Italian with pic sleeve) 45 Lord Of Light/ Born To Go (German pic sleeve) 45 Urban Guerilla/Brainbow Pollution (UK) 45 Hurry On Sundown/Motorhead (Flicknife) 45 Night Of The Hawks/Green Finned Demon (UK pic sleeve) 45 Psychedelic Warlords/ It's So Easy (UK) 45 Urban Guerilla/Urban Guerilla (US mono/stereo promo) LP Quark (Canadian) LP Xenon Codex (fold out) LP Undisclosed FIles 12 Night Of The hawks (pic sleeve) LP Stonehenge Festival (yugoslavian boot) LP Assassins Of Allah 3LP? Acid Daze (box, no booklet) and a passport BOC 45 Fallen Angel/Lips In The Hills (UK demo) 45 Shooting Shark/Shooting? Shark (US demo) 45 I Love The Night/Nosferatu (UK demo) 45 You're Not The One I Was Looking For (US demo) 45 Goin' Through The Motions (mono/stereo demo) 45 This Ain't The Summer Of Love (mono/stereo demo) 45 Burnin' For You/Vengeance (US) 45 Career Of Evil/Dominance & Submission (US promo) 45 Cities On Flame/ Before The Kiss (US) 12 Roadhouse Blues (long/short)/Veteran (promo) Thanks for looking From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 14 14:17:02 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:17:02 -0600 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902140430h7f72ccbfs4ee17b2706b423b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: bit more: I felt ill the moment I saw Alan selling a record autographed to his mom, like a year ago now?? Larry I consider you important and of course I would want my attention directed to such a thing had Mary not beat you I don't like to think about that stuff, but I have stated before that Alan is a bad-ass, and he can do anything he wants solo and make a career of it...... On 2/14/09, mike coleman wrote: > > don't know if I read that one or from somewhere else, but it was sickening, > and I couldn't escape the notion that he had looked the other way when > something similar happened to somebody else, but then when it happened to > him...... > also not forgetting that if Brock didn't put him in on the strength of a > cassette in the mail, we'd likely not be reading such a thing > I recall 1988/89, and Huw saying that only certain members werer getting > paid, and that was the last straw for him (at that time apparently), so > HELLO!!!! ,money and Hawkwind don't always make the best of bedfellows > I'm just a fan looking for escape from myself, don't want to hear that crap > really, feel sorry for anybody who's been taken or ejected of course, but > there is nothing new here, and all careers are basically owed to Dave > > > On 2/14/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> Mike ,did you see the Alan Davey interview from Metalville ? Its pretty >> bad . >> > > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Sat Feb 14 14:32:16 2009 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:32:16 +0000 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902140430h7f72ccbfs4ee17b2706b423b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wasn't Harvey Hawkwind's bass-player when Alan joined.... on bass! Seems like a whole lotta shafting going on mike coleman wrote: > don't know if I read that one or from somewhere else, but it was sickening, > and I couldn't escape the notion that he had looked the other way when > something similar happened to somebody else, but then when it happened to > him...... > also not forgetting that if Brock didn't put him in on the strength of a > cassette in the mail, we'd likely not be reading such a thing > I recall 1988/89, and Huw saying that only certain members werer getting > paid, and that was the last straw for him (at that time apparently), so > HELLO!!!! ,money and Hawkwind don't always make the best of bedfellows > I'm just a fan looking for escape from myself, don't want to hear that crap > really, feel sorry for anybody who's been taken or ejected of course, but > there is nothing new here, and all careers are basically owed to Dave > > > On 2/14/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > >> Mike ,did you see the Alan Davey interview from Metalville ? Its pretty bad >> . >> >> > > -- Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... Hunter S Thompson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 14 14:39:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:39:39 -0600 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <49971C40.8020208@darkstar.uk.net> Message-ID: Yes he was simply too tall!!!! I'm kidding I'm kidding If he fingered free-fall that alone makes him awesome bass player maybe he should pick it back up and throw it into his act before we all get stretched into a black hole!!! On 2/14/09, Horse wrote: > > Wasn't Harvey Hawkwind's bass-player when Alan joined.... > on bass! > Seems like a whole lotta shafting going on > > mike coleman wrote: > >> don't know if I read that one or from somewhere else, but it was >> sickening, >> and I couldn't escape the notion that he had looked the other way when >> something similar happened to somebody else, but then when it happened to >> him...... >> also not forgetting that if Brock didn't put him in on the strength of a >> cassette in the mail, we'd likely not be reading such a thing >> I recall 1988/89, and Huw saying that only certain members werer getting >> paid, and that was the last straw for him (at that time apparently), so >> HELLO!!!! ,money and Hawkwind don't always make the best of bedfellows >> I'm just a fan looking for escape from myself, don't want to hear that >> crap >> really, feel sorry for anybody who's been taken or ejected of course, but >> there is nothing new here, and all careers are basically owed to Dave >> >> >> On 2/14/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> >>> Mike ,did you see the Alan Davey interview from Metalville ? Its pretty >>> bad >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > > Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, > chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally > worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... Hunter S Thompson > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 14 16:23:14 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:23:14 EST Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: I have just read this part of your pos Car.Not read the rest yeat as I have some rice in a pan that needs attention very soon. All I can say regarding your quote below is "thank f**k for that". The Black Sword tour was incredible. Steve. In a message dated 13/02/2009 00:15:52 GMT Standard Time, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: Well, though I know there are those who differ, I think the Chronicle of the Black Sword stuff (including the live stage show) was a solid effort, and one that came about through the combination of a lot of diverse talent. I have a vague recollection that it started as a Nik- Moorcock idea, and although Nik ended up not being involved, From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Feb 15 18:45:20 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:45:20 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902141117n325dd7e5kc09f616834f05d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 14 Feb 2009, at 14:17 , mike coleman wrote: > Alan is a bad-ass, and he can do anything he wants solo and make a > career of > it...... Bedouin shoulda signed to Rise Above back back in the late 90s! Oh well .... I think Alan is great, and he was an asset to HW as a player and a writer that will always be missed. However, admittedly, I think to make a stronger _career_, he needs a better manager than whatever he's got at the moment :/ Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Feb 15 19:00:10 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:00:10 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Feb 2009, at 02:54 , Lost Johnny wrote: > The interview is at www.metalliville.com "HW is suppose to be a jam band isn`t it!!!???" Mmm, yep, Alan's right about that. Someone who feels idealistic and bulletproof should remind the band .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Feb 15 17:58:40 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:58:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin QS&C w/book box set (1999) question Message-ID: Can someone tell me more about the book this Griffin version comes with? C. From steve.bishop at DB.COM Mon Feb 16 03:17:03 2009 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:17:03 +0000 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://metaltoinfinity.00freehost.com/InterviewGUNSLINGER.html --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for additional EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 16 05:11:35 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:11:35 -0600 Subject: HW: Griffin QS&C w/book box set (1999) questio In-Reply-To: <382884.65702.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A reprinting of Queens of Deliria, if not the first book mines long gone On 2/15/09, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > Can someone tell me more about the book this Griffin version comes with? > C. > > > > > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Feb 16 05:45:50 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:45:50 +0100 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: Hej Interesting interview.... It seems the Davey does not think very highly as DIBs as a bass player.. to me, DIBS was, even in Spacehead, very much sounding like Davey himself..... He did is contribution to Hawkwind but seems to have moved on. In the interview in the record collector magazine it says something about them releasing a sequel to X in search of Space.. I guess before August.. Interesting. scott -----Original Message----- From: Steve Bishop [mailto:steve.bishop at DB.COM] Sent: 16. februar 2009 09:17 Subject: Re: Off: Alan Davey interview http://metaltoinfinity.00freehost.com/InterviewGUNSLINGER.html --- From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 16 05:21:24 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:21:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin QS&C w/book box set (1999) questio In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902160211j7a774eafm476c77a8995bef5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like I won't need that then as I have the paperbacks and the reprints of both! Thanks. C ________________________________ From: mike coleman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 16 February, 2009 11:11:35 Subject: Re: HW: Griffin QS&C w/book box set (1999) questio A reprinting of Queens of Deliria, if not the first book mines long gone On 2/15/09, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > Can someone tell me more about the book this Griffin version comes with? > C. > > > > > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 16 08:26:54 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:26:54 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind question for Ian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've seen the Heaven & Hell lineup twice now (last time was with Motorhead and Judas Priest), and both times it was among the best shows I've seen. Steve On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 14 Feb 2009, at 01:44 , Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> Carl ,its not Hawkwind or Hawklords or Spaceritual ,or Nik Turner,etc.,but >> I did see a few days ago that Motorhead has announced dates for a tour of >> South America . You'll get to see Lemmy at least ! > > > Woo hoo! Well, I guess they have been known to fly down to Brazil from time > to time, after all. I'll have to see if they've included a stop-over in > Bogot?. We are getting Maiden and the Mob Rules Sabbath lineup, so > Motorhead is not an impossibility! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Feb 16 14:32:01 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:32:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Roadburn '09 & Farflung/White Hills tour In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4EC8880@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Hi Folks... So, who was lucky enough to get tickets to this year's Roadburn festival in Tilburg NL? Lots of great bands like always, including Amon Duul 2, Orange Goblin, Bari Watts, but especially Farflung and White Hills. For those that missed out on this long-sold-out show, note that Farflung and White Hills will continue touring together over much of central Europe (though not in Britain), White Hills continuing on alone after the first phase by doing even more shows in southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy). Farflung's new stuff is just too good for words. If you are too impatient to wait for new HW stuff, go see Farflung and absolutely pick up a copy of A Wound in Eternity. On Meteor City label in Arizona. allthatisheavy.com Note that there are two versions, one ltd ed. digipack CD with two bonus tracks. Also a double vinyl I think. That's all...Grakkl From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Feb 16 14:35:01 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:35:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Roadburn '09 & Farflung/White Hills tour In-Reply-To: <742897.30687.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I said... > For those that > missed out on this long-sold-out show, note that Farflung > and White Hills will continue touring together over much of > central Europe (though not in Britain), White Hills > continuing on alone after the first phase by doing even more > shows in southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy). Tour date list is at: www.myspace.com/farflung or better (complete with WH dates alone) www.myspace.com/whitehills Grakkl From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 16 14:35:16 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:35:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roadburn '09 & Farflung/White Hills tour Message-ID: I was talking (electronically of course) to Tommy Grenas about this and he was most regretful that the budget didn't quite stretch to crossing the channel and playing in the UK... ________________________________ From: Keith Henderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:32:01 PM Subject: OFF: Roadburn '09 & Farflung/White Hills tour Hi Folks... So, who was lucky enough to get tickets to this year's Roadburn festival in Tilburg NL? Lots of great bands like always, including Amon Duul 2, Orange Goblin, Bari Watts, but especially Farflung and White Hills. For those that missed out on this long-sold-out show, note that Farflung and White Hills will continue touring together over much of central Europe (though not in Britain), White Hills continuing on alone after the first phase by doing even more shows in southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy). Farflung's new stuff is just too good for words. If you are too impatient to wait for new HW stuff, go see Farflung and absolutely pick up a copy of A Wound in Eternity. On Meteor City label in Arizona. allthatisheavy.com Note that there are two versions, one ltd ed. digipack CD with two bonus tracks. Also a double vinyl I think. That's all...Grakkl From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Feb 16 16:34:39 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:34:39 EST Subject: Hawkwind next CD Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2009 6:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, shll at HAGEDORN.DK writes: Oh yes, never forget......Brian's mother in the Rock Cave I get to claim being the very first mail-order customer I knew I got a good one when he tried to buy back the (jap) clearlight symphony cd, and thank god I didn't, it's still the best I've got but he made off with my NEU 45, I bet it went to Tommy BASTARDS!!!! actually I couldn't think of a better receptacle in all the world...... speaking of, if Ian didn't put NEU and The Cosmic Couriers in the mag, maybe next time then, despite the lawsuits plug plug On 2/14/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,That was back in the days of sending for a catalog through the mail > from a store who actually had it in inventory before you ordered it called > Sound City 2000 and then ordering from that by mail. Brian Perrera in his > pre-cleopatra days with the Hawkwind rock cave mail order used to carry a > lot of Japan cds too. Now its hard to order Japanese stuff from the web > ,because most stores just have lists and no inventory , and order it only > when you do . With most Japan things ,thats too late because they sell out > so fast. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 16 16:50:07 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:50:07 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind next CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I dunno bout you guys, but I was in Boulder in 95,,,,,,, the proof's in the puddin', and I've got the proof Xenomorph alone was worth my Hawkbucks.... On 2/16/09, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/7/2009 6:50:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > shll at HAGEDORN.DK writes: > > really > great record? Do you think Dave has it in him and the right peolple > surrounding him? While, I can enjoy the stuff on the last studio record, > it is far > from being in their top 20 records. I just wonder if they will ever make > another > really good one. It certainly does not help when the band probably only > gets > together for these small tours and lives all over england and one in > France. > I would love them to as I really like dave's voice and he is a great > guitar > player.< > Anything can happen, at anytime..a bit of inspiration, a bit of luck--and > BINGO! As they say, 'ya gotta be in it, to win it' and the Hawks are > definitely > IN IT! > > Bill > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > bemailfooterNO62) > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 16 11:00:37 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:00:37 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4EC8880@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On 16 Feb 2009, at 05:45, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Interesting interview.... It seems the Davey does not think very > highly as DIBs as a bass player.. to me, DIBS was, even in > Spacehead, very much sounding like Davey himself..... I guess being booted and directly replaced by someone who sounds like you is not taken as the sincerest form of flattery. ;) Of course, Alan consciously and explicitly takes Lemmy as his bass-playing model -- but Lemmy wasn't replaced directly by Alan! > In the interview in the record collector magazine it says something > about them releasing a sequel to X in search of Space.. I guess > before August.. Interesting. Huh, haven't seen the Record Collector interview -- _who_ is supposed to be release an _X In Search of Space_ sequel? The Hawklords? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Feb 16 19:03:30 2009 From: david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:03:30 +0000 Subject: Return to List In-Reply-To: <200902091302.n19D2usV005213@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Will be there. Andrew W going? Dave ---- M Holmes wrote: > Dave Hall writes: > > > Hi To all and sundry! I'm back on the list after spell away (laziness > > and a change of e-mail address). First up - any of the Scottish > > membership going to the Edinburgh gig? > > Indeed. Drinks in the Filmhouse Bar beforehand.... > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 17 03:54:50 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:54:50 +0000 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <6A87EA2A-186E-4457-B5C9-C959318ECC1E@carlaz.com> Message-ID: No Hawkwind are supposed to be working on a sequel. Steve On 2/16/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 16 Feb 2009, at 05:45, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > >> Interesting interview.... It seems the Davey does not think very highly as >> DIBs as a bass player.. to me, DIBS was, even in Spacehead, very much >> sounding like Davey himself..... >> > > > I guess being booted and directly replaced by someone who sounds like you > is not taken as the sincerest form of flattery. ;) Of course, Alan > consciously and explicitly takes Lemmy as his bass-playing model -- but > Lemmy wasn't replaced directly by Alan! > > > In the interview in the record collector magazine it says something about >> them releasing a sequel to X in search of Space.. I guess before August.. >> Interesting. >> > > > Huh, haven't seen the Record Collector interview -- _who_ is supposed to be > release an _X In Search of Space_ sequel? The Hawklords? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Feb 17 08:42:51 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:42:51 +0000 Subject: Download the entire OEB CD 'School of Rock-n-Roll' for just 5 pounds!!! Message-ID: Just released in The UK by Blueriff records, The One Eyed Bishops' 'School of Rock-n-Roll'is now available for immediate download at: http://store.payloadz.com/str-asp-i.231148-n.THE_ONE_EYED_BISHOPS_At_the_school_of_rock_n_roll_Music_Miscellaneous-end-detail.html The 2003 recorded One Eyed Bishops studio CD, 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', has just been released on Blueriff records UK, and is available exclusively through their website at: http://www.myspace.com/blueriffrecords or www.blueriff.webs.com/ The CD was recorded and engineered by Terry Clemson of The TT's ( formerly of The Downliners Sect ), and includes performances and spoken word material by Don Craine & Keith Grant ( Downliners Sect ), Mick Farren (Deviants ), Phil Smith ( Headsmith, Debbie Giles band ), skiffle legend Chas Mcdevitt, Bill Kingston ( Wild Angels ) Terry Clemson and more.More information on the Blueriff records website , and Mike Burro' s upcoming shows in the press article below:http://www.prlog.org/10178771.html booking email: sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 17 12:50:23 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:23 -0600 Subject: HW come to the fair?? Message-ID: Hi everybody My friend (name withheld) brought my attention to this, this morning, and in case anybody wanted to turn from man to astroman and missed the chance last time, the ferris wheel lowers itself for someone to take a very expensive thrill ride the rest of us can enjoy watching Last I knew, this item is dissallowed on eBay, so interesting http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260363433640&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123 From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Tue Feb 17 18:19:23 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:19:23 -0500 Subject: HW come to the fair?? Message-ID: Mike,do you know why that is ? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 17 21:58:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:58:38 -0600 Subject: HW come to the fair?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi you mean the BBC copyright thing??? No I do not actually, if this is what you refer to do tell!!! On 2/17/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike,do you know why that is ? > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Feb 18 03:08:23 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:08:23 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Hello All, I have been tossing some mails back and forth with a few about the Portchester Hall gigs in August and I now, really curious what ex-hawkwind members could actually show up and play. I wonder if they have announced this without actually signing anyone on board. If we make a list of the ex-members, besides Huw Lloyd Langton (who I am not really sure can play electric space rock anymore as he was a disaster the last two times I saw him), who else is there: These people will not play with Dave and Co (at least I don't think): Nik, dave anderson, simon house, alan davey, lemmy, jerry richards, ron tree, terry ollis, Thomas Crimble, michael moorcock (probably too ill), adrian shaw, Mick Slattery, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Bridget Wishart, Danny Thompson.. Maybe: Crum, dik mik, del dettmar, Stacia, martin Griffiths, alan powell, Paul Rudolph (haven't heard of him in years...), Ginger Baker, Andy Anderson, Arthur Brown, Steve Hale, John Harrison I probably have missed a few but it seems to me that Dave only has a few pretty obscure Hawkwind members to choose from... What do people think or predict?? scott ObCD- Oresund Space Collective- Good Planets are hard to Find (Transubstans Records) Our 5th CD! From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 18 03:42:23 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:42:23 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4F2796E@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: I suspect that Arthur Brown should be on the "no" list;). Many of the December Astoria gigs were also advertised as "specials" with "special guests". --- On Wed, 18/2/09, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: From: SHLL (Scott Heller) Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:08 AM Hello All, I have been tossing some mails back and forth with a few about the Portchester Hall gigs in August and I now, really curious what ex-hawkwind members could actually show up and play. I wonder if they have announced this without actually signing anyone on board. If we make a list of the ex-members, besides Huw Lloyd Langton (who I am not really sure can play electric space rock anymore as he was a disaster the last two times I saw him), who else is there: These people will not play with Dave and Co (at least I don't think): Nik, dave anderson, simon house, alan davey, lemmy, jerry richards, ron tree, terry ollis, Thomas Crimble, michael moorcock (probably too ill), adrian shaw, Mick Slattery, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Bridget Wishart, Danny Thompson.. Maybe: Crum, dik mik, del dettmar, Stacia, martin Griffiths, alan powell, Paul Rudolph (haven't heard of him in years...), Ginger Baker, Andy Anderson, Arthur Brown, Steve Hale, John Harrison I probably have missed a few but it seems to me that Dave only has a few pretty obscure Hawkwind members to choose from... What do people think or predict?? scott ObCD- Oresund Space Collective- Good Planets are hard to Find (Transubstans Records) Our 5th CD! From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 18 07:18:56 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:18:56 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <891291.78121.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe Dave can get Sam Fox in? ;) Or will she only gig if Lemmy's on board? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 18 07:20:04 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:20:04 -0500 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Feb 2009, at 03:54, Steve Freight wrote: > No Hawkwind are supposed to be working on a sequel. Hmmm, HW are to turn out a sequel to _X In Search of Space_ by August!? August of which century? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 18 09:46:12 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:46:12 +0000 Subject: Off: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <61D7F093-FE0B-452B-B890-5670B1B1382B@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Warps in the space time continuum will enable this to be achieved. The band recently recorded Hurry On Sundown for the first album in August 2008 in this manner. Steve On 2/18/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 17 Feb 2009, at 03:54, Steve Freight wrote: > >> No Hawkwind are supposed to be working on a sequel. >> > > > Hmmm, HW are to turn out a sequel to _X In Search of Space_ by August!? > August of which century? ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Wed Feb 18 11:31:12 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:31:12 -0500 Subject: Time Travel Message-ID: Hello everyone. I kinda feel like I've been traveling through time today. I went into the archives and looked up old posts I made. I was surprised to see stuff as old as 1995. The years have flown by much too quickly. It's funny, the things posted then, questions and such. There was no Google or Myspace so information was not so easy to find without asking each other. Anyway, here's shout out to all the old timers who are still around. I recognize a few names. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Feb 18 11:51:22 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:51:22 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & friends, Saturday, February 28th, Hamilton, NJ Message-ID: Mike Burro & friends Saturday, February 28th call venue for times including Jay Adcock, Greg Elwell & Jeff Berry The classic lineup returns!! Hamilton Lanes 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ 08619 ( 609 ) 585-2400 Just released in The UK by Blueriff records, The One Eyed Bishops' 'School of Rock-n-Roll' is now available for immediate download at: http://store.payloadz.com/str-asp-i.231148-n.THE_ONE_EYED_BISHOPS_At_the_school_of_rock_n_roll_Music_Miscellaneous-end-detail.html The 2003 recorded One Eyed Bishops studio CD, 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', has just been released on Blueriff records UK, and is available exclusively through their website at: www.blueriff.webs.com/ The CD was recorded and engineered by Terry Clemson of The TT's ( formerly of The Downliners Sect ), and includes performances and spoken word material by Don Craine & Keith Grant ( Downliners Sect ),Mick Farren (Deviants ), Phil Smith ( Headsmith, Debbie Giles band ), skiffle legend Chas Mcdevitt, Bill Kingston ( Wild Angels ) Terry Clemson and more. More information on the Blueriff records website , and Mike Burro' s upcoming shows in the press article below: http://www.prlog.org/10178771.html booking email: sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Feb 18 12:07:00 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:07:00 -0500 Subject: Time Travel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Time Traveler, I don't know if you read any of my husband, Chris Bruce's postings, but we were on the BOC forum back then. He used the name The Electrician. At the time being blind and computer illiterate, I didn't post. Now, I'm still a blind computer idiot, but I can get by most of the time. Today's crisis is I put a CD into a drive on the computer and it's stuck there. Any ideas? Chris is not in this world any more, and I have learned a bit more than I knew about computers, life, the universe, and everything, but there's always so much more. Nice to read your postings. Peace, Mary P.S. You travel through time, I have a bit of telepathy. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Duane Hoyt Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:31 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Time Travel Hello everyone. I kinda feel like I've been traveling through time today. I went into the archives and looked up old posts I made. I was surprised to see stuff as old as 1995. The years have flown by much too quickly. It's funny, the things posted then, questions and such. There was no Google or Myspace so information was not so easy to find without asking each other. Anyway, here's shout out to all the old timers who are still around. I recognize a few names. From visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM Wed Feb 18 12:15:34 2009 From: visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM (Visionary Head) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:15:34 +0800 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: I think you might mean Keith Hale and Martin Griffin - in which case I bet they're on the no list too... Infact, I bet you could add Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Stacia, Alan Powell, Paul Rudolph, Ginger Baker, John Harrison to that no list Which leaves Crum and Andy Anderson - nice lineup! VH > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:08:23 +0100 > From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" > Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show > > Hello All, > > I have been tossing some mails back and forth with a few about the Portches= > ter Hall gigs in August and I now, really curious what ex-hawkwind members = > could actually show up and play. I wonder if they have announced this witho= > ut actually signing anyone on board. If we make a list of the ex-members, b= > esides Huw Lloyd Langton (who I am not really sure can play electric space = > rock anymore as he was a disaster the last two times I saw him), who else i= > s there: > > These people will not play with Dave and Co (at least I don't think): > > Nik, dave anderson, simon house, alan davey, lemmy, jerry richards, ron tre= > e, terry ollis, Thomas Crimble, michael moorcock (probably too ill), adrian= > shaw, Mick Slattery, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Bridget Wishart, = > Danny Thompson.. > > Maybe: > > Crum, dik mik, del dettmar, Stacia, martin Griffiths, alan powell, Paul Rud= > olph (haven't heard of him in years...), Ginger Baker, Andy Anderson, Arthu= > r Brown, Steve Hale, John Harrison > > I probably have missed a few but it seems to me that Dave only has a few pr= > etty obscure Hawkwind members to choose from... > > What do people think or predict?? > > scott > > ObCD- Oresund Space Collective- Good Planets are hard to Find (Transubstans= > Records) Our 5th CD! -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.doramail.com Powered by Outblaze From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 18 13:14:45 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:14:45 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <20090218171534.71D99CBBD1@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The thing is, I bet Brock solo would equal the rest of them together in some weird kinda way wouldn't it be cool if they all dropped any grudges and made a tribute to Barney and Dave the future hangs heavy now..... surely great things are to emerge from both camps, regardless of spiritual problems .... if Crum is on the no list,,,, On 2/18/09, Visionary Head wrote: > > I think you might mean Keith Hale and Martin Griffin - in which case I bet > they're on the no list too... > > Infact, I bet you could add Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Stacia, Alan Powell, Paul > Rudolph, Ginger Baker, John Harrison to that no list > > Which leaves Crum and Andy Anderson - nice lineup! > > VH > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:08:23 +0100 > > From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" > > Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have been tossing some mails back and forth with a few about the > Portches= > > ter Hall gigs in August and I now, really curious what ex-hawkwind > members = > > could actually show up and play. I wonder if they have announced this > witho= > > ut actually signing anyone on board. If we make a list of the ex-members, > b= > > esides Huw Lloyd Langton (who I am not really sure can play electric > space = > > rock anymore as he was a disaster the last two times I saw him), who else > i= > > s there: > > > > These people will not play with Dave and Co (at least I don't think): > > > > Nik, dave anderson, simon house, alan davey, lemmy, jerry richards, ron > tre= > > e, terry ollis, Thomas Crimble, michael moorcock (probably too ill), > adrian= > > shaw, Mick Slattery, Steve Swindells, Harvey Bainbridge, Bridget > Wishart, = > > Danny Thompson.. > > > > Maybe: > > > > Crum, dik mik, del dettmar, Stacia, martin Griffiths, alan powell, Paul > Rud= > > olph (haven't heard of him in years...), Ginger Baker, Andy Anderson, > Arthu= > > r Brown, Steve Hale, John Harrison > > > > I probably have missed a few but it seems to me that Dave only has a few > pr= > > etty obscure Hawkwind members to choose from... > > > > What do people think or predict?? > > > > scott > > > > ObCD- Oresund Space Collective- Good Planets are hard to Find > (Transubstans= > > Records) Our 5th CD! > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.doramail.com > > Powered by Outblaze > From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Wed Feb 18 15:59:06 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (The Baron) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:59:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Time Travel Message-ID: Hello Mary, It's easy to extract a CD from a drive that won't open. Take a paper clip or straight pin and push it into the little hole on the door of the CD-ROM drive. This will open the latch and the door will pop open. The PC does not have to be on for this to work either. I remember Chris Bruce. Happy to meet you. I'm sending good vibes your way telepathically. Duane From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Feb 18 17:52:06 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:52:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Time Travel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Baron wrote: > Hello Mary, > > It's easy to extract a CD from a drive that won't open. > Take a paper clip or straight pin and push it into the little hole on the > door of the CD-ROM drive. This will open the latch and the door will pop > open. The PC does not have to be on for this to work either. > > Just a quick follow-up Mary. On my Cd/DVD players, the hole is on the left side just below the tray. I don't have a ruler handy, so I'll guess an inch from the left side From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Feb 18 18:07:58 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:07:58 -0500 Subject: Time Travel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Duane, The vibes are helping, but the paper clip didn't. I've been at it for hours now, and know when to quit. The WMP tries to rip the disc as soon as it comes on, so I asked my brother to drop by to fix it. If you happen to find yourself in Boston on this space time continuum, get in touch. Stranger things have happened. Peace, Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of The Baron Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Re: Time Travel Hello Mary, It's easy to extract a CD from a drive that won't open. Take a paper clip or straight pin and push it into the little hole on the door of the CD-ROM drive. This will open the latch and the door will pop open. The PC does not have to be on for this to work either. I remember Chris Bruce. Happy to meet you. I'm sending good vibes your way telepathically. Duane From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Wed Feb 18 18:57:54 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (The Baron) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:57:54 -0500 Subject: HW come to the fair?? Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:23 -0600, mike coleman wrote: >Hi everybody >My friend (name withheld) brought my attention to this, this morning, and in >case anybody wanted to turn from man to astroman and missed the chance last >time, the ferris wheel lowers itself for someone to take a very expensive >thrill ride >the rest of us can enjoy watching >Last I knew, this item is dissallowed on eBay, so interesting >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=260363433640&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123 Why was it disallowed? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 18 19:20:22 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:20:22 -0600 Subject: HW come to the fair?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ebay stopped allowing BBC transacription discs to be sold, I am assuming because they still owned the rights to the music. I was around to see them on there before that situation and I am hoping this one gets through after all, they released the CD, and botched it a bit, IMHO awaiting Larry to comment, or anyone On 2/18/09, The Baron wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:23 -0600, mike coleman > wrote: > > >Hi everybody > >My friend (name withheld) brought my attention to this, this morning, and > in > >case anybody wanted to turn from man to astroman and missed the chance > last > >time, the ferris wheel lowers itself for someone to take a very expensive > >thrill ride > >the rest of us can enjoy watching > >Last I knew, this item is dissallowed on eBay, so interesting > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=260363433640&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123 > > Why was it disallowed? > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Feb 19 02:23:18 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:23:18 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: With the way members get fired and with plenty of time before the show takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one or more of the following -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that list too . Maybe Dave will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on backing vocals . One day in the future they may be the only ones left. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Feb 19 02:36:16 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:36:16 -0500 Subject: HW come to the fair?? Message-ID: Mike ,I think its because the BBC is starting to reissue a few of the old BBC recordings on cd and vinyl . For instance , Motorhead just had a recent issue 2 cd set and 2 different LP vinyl called "BBC Live & In-session . It contained 4 different BBC Radio 1 shows from 1978,1979 ,1981,1986 ...... And with Hawkwind ,you know that BBC transcription disc has been on bootleg cds already in the past . Maybe their trying to keep it out of the wrong hands. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Thu Feb 19 02:52:20 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:52:20 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Feb 19 05:07:17 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:07:17 +0100 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Maybe Jimmy got the one copy that had the proper sound mix? I have a very high end stereo and it sounds like crap. Almost no guitar, the camera focuses on people playing and you don't hear their instrument.. Poor mix, sadly, which makes, what might have been a pretty cool concert, not worth spending the time or money on. Very disappointing.. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny [mailto:busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET] Sent: 19. februar 2009 08:52 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Feb 19 06:55:50 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:55:50 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: It is indeed remarkable how poor the mix of Knights of Space really is. A friend unfamiliar with Hawkwind was over while I was listening to it for the first time, and his comment about it summarizes the problem. He asked me, "Does this band have a guitar player?" For much of the album the guitar is subliminal or nonexistent at best. It's only from watching the video that I know Tim Blake was playing a theremin, because it's also not audible. It's irritating to see the DVD footage of dramatic closeups of Tim or others playing their instruments while not hearing one bit of what they're playing. This is definitely a release that would benefit dramatically from being properly mixed. John Majka >Maybe Jimmy got the one copy that had the proper sound mix? I have a very >high end stereo and it sounds like crap. Almost no guitar, the camera >focuses on people playing and you don't hear their instrument.. Poor mix, >sadly, which makes, what might have been a pretty cool concert, not worth >spending the time or money on. Very disappointing.. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny [mailto:busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET] Sent: 19. februar 2009 08:52 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 19 09:08:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:08:37 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I must admit that sounds a bit tempting, although I am not sure why it would have to be accoustic. On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > With the way members get fired and with plenty of time before the show > takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one or more of the following > -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that list too . Maybe Dave > will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on backing vocals . One > day > in the future they may be the only ones left. > From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Thu Feb 19 09:53:35 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (The Baron) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:53:35 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Who mixed it? On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:55:50 -0500, John Majka wrote: >It is indeed remarkable how poor the mix of Knights of Space really is. A >friend unfamiliar with Hawkwind was over while I was listening to it for the >first time, and his comment about it summarizes the problem. He asked me, >"Does this band have a guitar player?" For much of the album the guitar is >subliminal or nonexistent at best. It's only from watching the video that I >know Tim Blake was playing a theremin, because it's also not audible. It's >irritating to see the DVD footage of dramatic closeups of Tim or others >playing their instruments while not hearing one bit of what they're playing. >This is definitely a release that would benefit dramatically from being >properly mixed. >John Majka > > >>Maybe Jimmy got the one copy that had the proper sound mix? I have a very >>high end stereo and it sounds like crap. Almost no guitar, the camera >>focuses on people playing and you don't hear their instrument.. Poor mix, >>sadly, which makes, what might have been a pretty cool concert, not worth >>spending the time or money on. Very disappointing.. > >Scott > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lost Johnny [mailto:busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET] >Sent: 19. februar 2009 08:52 >Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > >Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem >is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible >sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for >the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is >the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he >says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says >"the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and >outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very >poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I >have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 19 10:12:35 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:12:35 -0800 Subject: Going to Space Ritual 2009? Message-ID: So, I've made the (almost last minute) decision to attend SR 2009... Anyone else going? Meeting up beforehand? Any recommendations on good places to stay in Camden (near the Roundhouse)? Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 19 14:44:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:44:38 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (in regard to who mixed it) good question and isn't the CD version another show and if so does it suffer the bird flu as well?? If I were upset over any of this stuff I would likely get uppity with the label for putting it out, as a start the Atomhenge material fell from heaven so there is light to go with darkness On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:55:50 -0500, John Majka wrote: >It is indeed remarkable how poor the mix of Knights of Space really is. A >friend unfamiliar with Hawkwind was over while I was listening to it for the >first time, and his comment about it summarizes the problem. He asked me, >"Does this band have a guitar player?" For much of the album the guitar is >subliminal or nonexistent at best. It's only from watching the video that I >know Tim Blake was playing a theremin, because it's also not audible. It's >irritating to see the DVD footage of dramatic closeups of Tim or others >playing their instruments while not hearing one bit of what they're playing. >This is definitely a release that would benefit dramatically from being >properly mixed. >John Majka > > >>Maybe Jimmy got the one copy that had the proper sound mix? I have a very >>high end stereo and it sounds like crap. Almost no guitar, the camera >>focuses on people playing and you don't hear their instrument.. Poor mix, >>sadly, which makes, what might have been a pretty cool concert, not worth >>spending the time or money on. Very disappointing.. > >Scott > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lost Johnny [mailto:busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET] >Sent: 19. februar 2009 08:52 >Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > >Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem >is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible >sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for >the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is >the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he >says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says >"the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and >outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very >poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I >have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 19 14:50:28 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:50:28 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > With the way members get fired and with plenty of time before the show > takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one or more of the following > -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that list too . Maybe Dave > will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on backing vocals . One > day > in the future they may be the only ones left. > in which case I wonder if they would be a) chosen be) lonely c) free douhh, sorry, spraying air freshener now and I'll go off computer From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Feb 19 15:37:16 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:37:16 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902191150l25087a22i8c528e06c927a94d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ha Ha that was very good Mike...it made me laugh! Have you heard the acoustic version on the Atomhenge 25 Yrs yet? Mick --- On Thu, 19/2/09, mike coleman wrote: > From: mike coleman > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:50 PM > On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny > wrote: > > > > With the way members get fired and with plenty of > time before the show > > takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one > or more of the following > > -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that > list too . Maybe Dave > > will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on > backing vocals . One > > day > > in the future they may be the only ones left. > > > > in which case I wonder if they would be a) chosen be) > lonely c) free > douhh, sorry, spraying air freshener now and I'll go > off computer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 19 15:43:52 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:43:52 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Lost Johnny, (can you find the valium...), I hope you're well. I enjoy KOS, but if you want to buy me a more expensive system I'd even enjoy it more. Then I'd need the house to play it in, and on and on it goes. I'll always have a special fondness for Space Ritual, I've been impressed with the diversity and extreme changes HW can go through from 1 year to another. I have some albums that I prefer to others, but it keeps things interesting, that's for sure. Now How 'bout that high end stereo?What do you have for a system? I used to have 7 copies of SR, some gatefold, some, imports, you know how it goes, I used to tell people I had a copy for each day of the week. When my friend who turned me on to Hawkwind passed away, I ended up with his copy of SR. A so-called friend of his took his wonderful collection with all sorts of obscure stuff and sold it for bulk value at a record store, as a (ak) favor to my friend's mother. We told the owner how we knew who had owned the copy of SR that was there, and when he heard the story he gave me the album. I remember years ago, trying to turn on all my friends to SR and they'd say it's too muddy. The quality of the recent packaging is a must have for any collector of fine music, and it just keeps getting better with time, I guess like people say a fine wine will do. Happy listening, Mary P.S. I want to thank Hawkwind and friends for making live shows available to me. I still haven't got a lot of the lyrics to the new songs, but they are strong heavy, intense little numbers, a real trip. Like a trip, the messages Hawkwind are telling us about what we're doing to our world are real and can be very frightening. Like in the case of Pandora, we still have hope. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Lost Johnny Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:52 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 19 15:53:56 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:53:56 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4916E82@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Hey Scott, My stereo is quite good considering it's from different sources. Chris would have had us set up with an ultimate system, but our neighbors would have hated us. I think by playing my music loud I've freed up the other neighbors in the building, because I've noticed the TVs are louder in the other units than they used to be, and the sound proofing is actually quite good here. The only people who will get exposed to the music I play are those outside that can hear it through windows. All 3 of the other tenants have hearing problems due to age. It's a quiet little space, it can get lonesome, but it's mine, and Kosh's, for now. Depending on government housing I never know what will be in store, but do any of us really? Take care, I look back fondly on our hanging out as neighbors years ago. Always, your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of SHLL (Scott Heller) Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:07 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Maybe Jimmy got the one copy that had the proper sound mix? I have a very high end stereo and it sounds like crap. Almost no guitar, the camera focuses on people playing and you don't hear their instrument.. Poor mix, sadly, which makes, what might have been a pretty cool concert, not worth spending the time or money on. Very disappointing.. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny [mailto:busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET] Sent: 19. februar 2009 08:52 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out what the problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I thought it was the terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On Amazon.com there is a review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He says that "Knights of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time ." And that since it came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the Space Ritual album of 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 pales in comparison and is boring and outdated." He says the problem is ,"the fans who are complaining ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get a high priced stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are there live." From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 19 16:14:03 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:14:03 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902191150l25087a22i8c528e06c927a94d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll help with lights. Mary Hawkwind forever -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > With the way members get fired and with plenty of time before the show > takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one or more of the following > -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that list too . Maybe Dave > will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on backing vocals . One > day > in the future they may be the only ones left. > in which case I wonder if they would be a) chosen be) lonely c) free douhh, sorry, spraying air freshener now and I'll go off computer From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Feb 19 16:32:04 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:32:04 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not cool to deride people for expressing their opinon. Mick --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > From: Lost Johnny > Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:52 AM > Cold outside, long workday ,need a laugh? Finally found out > what the > problem is with Knights of Space. Like most others I > thought it was the > terrible sound quality, but I guess I was wrong. On > Amazon.com there is a > review for the Knights of Space cd by a Jimmy Gilas. He > says that "Knights > of Space is the greatest Hawkwind album of all-time > ." And that since it > came out he says ," he will no longer listen to the > Space Ritual album of > 1973." He says "the Space Ritual album of 1973 > pales in comparison and is > boring and outdated." He says the problem is > ,"the fans who are complaining > ,have very poor and cheap stereos to play it on. If you get > a high priced > stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like > you are there live." From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 19 17:12:04 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:12:04 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <693814.58369.qm@web86209.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just yesterday and every single thing from thaT PERIOD TOOK MY SPIRIT SAILING OUT THE WINDOWS On 2/19/09, Mick Crook wrote: > > Ha Ha that was very good Mike...it made me laugh! > Have you heard the acoustic version on the Atomhenge 25 Yrs yet? > > Mick > > > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > From: mike coleman > > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:50 PM > > On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny > > wrote: > > > > > > With the way members get fired and with plenty of > > time before the show > > > takes place ,don't be surprised if you can add one > > or more of the following > > > -Richard Chadwick ,Mr. Dibbs or Tim Blake to that > > list too . Maybe Dave > > > will have to play a solo acoustic show with Kris on > > backing vocals . One > > > day > > > in the future they may be the only ones left. > > > > > > > in which case I wonder if they would be a) chosen be) > > lonely c) free > > douhh, sorry, spraying air freshener now and I'll go > > off computer > > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 19 17:58:42 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:58:42 -0500 Subject: Time Travel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Duane, How stupid of me. I tried the paper clip thing, as you know, and a bunch of other things, like restarting the machine. Figuring there may be a visual message indicating why the player didn't work I waited for my brother. He tilted the tower on edge and banged it a few times, firmly, but not too hard. The CD popped right out within seconds. It would have been a real bitch if I'd paid to have it looked at and while in the transport which I'd have to pay for the thing worked. I tried a lot of things, I even used some of my favorite curse words, but no luck. Situation resolved. Thanks to you, and Jerry for ideas. Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of The Baron Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Re: Time Travel Hello Mary, It's easy to extract a CD from a drive that won't open. Take a paper clip or straight pin and push it into the little hole on the door of the CD-ROM drive. This will open the latch and the door will pop open. The PC does not have to be on for this to work either. I remember Chris Bruce. Happy to meet you. I'm sending good vibes your way telepathically. Duane From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 19 19:36:59 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:36:59 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Feb 2009, at 02:52, Lost Johnny wrote: > He says ... "... If you get a high priced > stereo like I have ,the Knights of Space cd will sound like you are > there live." Gee, did it sound that bad live? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 10:02:17 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:02:17 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Mike ,I don't think I have ever seen a one person show with the one man using anything but an acoustic guitar . Actually I remember an argument on the bands forum a while back ,where someone had said that he would to see not a Hawkwind tour ,but solo Dave Brock acoustic shows instead. Most fans told him they wouldn't go see that though. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 10:11:59 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:11:59 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Mary , I 'm just one of those people that have that poor mans stereo . My Knights of Space has been filed away for storage . One day if I hit the lottery and can afford that million dollar stereo that Jimmy G . must have ,I'll get it back out . But I really don't think Knights of Space would sound good on that either . I just had to laugh when I saw that review. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 10:17:20 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:17:20 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/20/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,I don't think I have ever seen a one person show with the one man > using anything but an acoustic guitar . Actually I remember an argument on > the bands forum a while back ,where someone had said that he would to see > not a Hawkwind tour ,but solo Dave Brock acoustic shows instead. Most fans > told him they wouldn't go see that though. > I am not bothered about shows that I will never be able to afford again. Only records. The Hawkwind people can do anything they want I will just roll with it, as I always have and do....after all, what has been birthed here is likely on par with the advent of nuclear technology and how blessed we all are to be in on it......there are still so many people here stateside, who would love it like us, but were not so blessed in this lifetime From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 10:34:38 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:34:38 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Mick ,if you go and read the review you'll see why he said what he did. Half of his review is insulting Nik Turner .What insulting Nik Turner has to do with the Knights of Space cd review I don't understand. But the point is ,that biased reviews like that are what ends up driving fans away . I wonder how many fans who maybe haven't bought something in a while , lost touch a little bit,etc.,went out and bought officially released cds like Knights of Space and Reading 1992 after seeing a good review on amazon . What do you think they do after they get those in the mail ? Its goodbye Hawkwind again ! And we those see bad sounding cds released over and over officially through the band. If everyone complained to the band about it , they wouldn't issue them . I mean we all complain about Dave Anderson doing the 100 or so Yuri Gargarian reissues every year and driving away fans . If you review Knights of Space , and like it for whatever reason ,okay . But don't in any way talk about it having great sound quality ,because others like myself will buy it . Be honest ,especially when you rate sound quality . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 10:43:07 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:43:07 -0500 Subject: Of:Mike -cd is on the way! Message-ID: Mike ,the cd was mailed this morning so it should be there in a couple days. Its also got a couple other new things in it ,released recently , that you may not yet have . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 10:43:33 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:43:33 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/20/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > Mary , I 'm just one of those people that have that poor mans stereo . My > Knights of Space has been filed away for storage . One day if I hit the > lottery and can afford that million dollar stereo that Jimmy G . must have > ,I'll get it back out . But I really don't think Knights of Space would > sound good on that either . I just had to laugh when I saw that review. While Mary might have gotten inflective personal stereo noia for a second, she did in fact make a terrific case-in-point setting: a dingy hotel room somewhere in california 1989 me meeting minds with the head of LSD operations for the first time him telling me the Space Ritual recording was, well, muddy that being only one example I only wish I had the cleverness to tell him I had a problem with the USA 'stackable pressing' format. I hope to be rid of that problem once again, very soon.....in fact why am I here when I should be on that??? Anybody diissng the original SR in favor of this KOS is an intersting character, to put it mild, but maybe in some section of the multiverse he has a point that I feel sure I will never get From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 11:12:48 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:12:48 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Mike,its because of the Dave Brock verses Nik Turner thing . There are some fans that ALWAYS think that the one they follow cannot do anything wrong. Jimmy G. used half of his review of Knights of Space to personally insult Nik Turner . On the Hawkwind band forum there is a fan by the name of Jimmy G , and all he does is post personal insults of all the members but Dave Brock. Its probably the same person. But see the result of the Nik is always horrible,Dave is always great thinking or vice versa . Say a new or lost in the past fan goes on Amazon ,decides to buy a Hawkwind cd .He reads Jimmy G.'s excellent review of Knights of Space .So instead of buying the badly reviewed "boring "Space Ritual " where he would be a new or rejoined fan ,he buys Knights of Space instead ,all because of Jimmys review . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 20 11:24:55 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:24:55 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: It also is a possibility that maybe Dave is losing his hearing a bit also . If he did mix Knights of Space , Reading 92 ,Glastonbury 90 ,etc in the home studio ,maybe he really does think that they sound good . After all ,he is 60+ years old. His age plus the fact he is a musician maybe is affecting his hearing. And after all ,who would actually tell him if they didn't like the mixing job if he did in fact do it? Mr Dibbs? Tim Blake? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 11:26:29 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:26:29 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: all I will say is Nik did get let out of the egg, and I am certainly thankful to infinity upon whatever higher-power whom bothers itself with tiny human affairs, that he was Nik is god among men On 2/20/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike,its because of the Dave Brock verses Nik Turner thing . There are > some fans that ALWAYS think that the one they follow cannot do anything > wrong. Jimmy G. used half of his review of Knights of Space to personally > insult Nik Turner . On the Hawkwind band forum there is a fan by the name > of Jimmy G , and all he does is post personal insults of all the members > but > Dave Brock. Its probably the same person. But see the result of the Nik is > always horrible,Dave is always great thinking or vice versa . Say a new or > lost in the past fan goes on Amazon ,decides to buy a Hawkwind cd .He reads > Jimmy G.'s excellent review of Knights of Space .So instead of buying the > badly reviewed "boring "Space Ritual " where he would be a new or rejoined > fan ,he buys Knights of Space instead ,all because of Jimmys review . > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 13:36:19 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:36:19 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902200826j6dae76f3n8e80142bdf2c95b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and Nik is even older than Dave and is not free from the quality issue aspect himself, if blame is being put upon the musicians themselves and is not in my case god I hate to think how freely the gas may now pass (this is friendly between me and nik and I share it) gods fighting amongst themselves is nothing new indeed, let us disengage On 2/20/09, mike coleman wrote: > > all I will say is Nik did get let out of the egg, and I am certainly > thankful to infinity upon whatever higher-power whom bothers itself with > tiny human affairs, that he was > Nik is god among men > > > On 2/20/09, Lost Johnny wrote: >> >> Mike,its because of the Dave Brock verses Nik Turner thing . There are >> some fans that ALWAYS think that the one they follow cannot do anything >> wrong. Jimmy G. used half of his review of Knights of Space to personally >> insult Nik Turner . On the Hawkwind band forum there is a fan by the name >> of Jimmy G , and all he does is post personal insults of all the members >> but >> Dave Brock. Its probably the same person. But see the result of the Nik is >> always horrible,Dave is always great thinking or vice versa . Say a new or >> lost in the past fan goes on Amazon ,decides to buy a Hawkwind cd .He >> reads >> Jimmy G.'s excellent review of Knights of Space .So instead of buying the >> badly reviewed "boring "Space Ritual " where he would be a new or rejoined >> fan ,he buys Knights of Space instead ,all because of Jimmys review . >> > > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Feb 20 17:28:32 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:28:32 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: The Reading 1992 and Minneapolis 1989 shows are treasures among bootlegs, for those who have tapes close to the source. What surprises me is that no one in charge of these releases made any effort to use the actual masters or at least a low-generation bootleg. It's well known who has the soundboard masters for all the shows of the 1989 and 1990 USA tours, yet apparently no phone calls were made to acquire these tapes and use them. I can say definitively that my own tape copies from many years back sound much, much better than the ones released by Voiceprint. Nevertheless, I applaud the release of these "official bootlegs," though, and hope to witness the release of many more, though hopefully in a more cleaned up version, akin to what the Grateful Dead have been doing for ages with their Dick's Picks series. If I didn't have better quality tapes than those that Voiceprint released, I would consider these CDs pure gold! John Majka It also is a possibility that maybe Dave is losing his hearing a bit also . If he did mix Knights of Space , Reading 92 ,Glastonbury 90 ,etc in the home studio ,maybe he really does think that they sound good . After all ,he is 60+ years old. His age plus the fact he is a musician maybe is affecting his hearing. And after all ,who would actually tell him if they didn't like the mixing job if he did in fact do it? Mr Dibbs? Tim Blake? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 17:37:28 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:37:28 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/20/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > . And after all ,who would actually tell him if they didn't like > the mixing job if he did in fact do it? Mr Dibbs? Tim Blake? > Did you know that Tim Blake _started_ Hawkwind??? it's true!!! I also have reason to believe he won't be having his foundation shaken whoda thunkit howzat howzat oh i know you were a ship of fools (this staement in no relation to anything here) From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri Feb 20 18:31:42 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:31:42 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: hello all, well i have read all the reviews of kos and am at a loss to understand them, i must have a different mix to everyone else cos mine is ok. i watch the dvd on a 50" plasma and the quality is good but not all of the time, i think some zooming has been done in the mix which can make things grainy. as for the sound, i have a ?100 5.1 set up from argos and it sounds great. i find i can hear all the different instruments clearly and when the volume is cranked up the sound is perfectly acceptable. i would say that it has been mixed in a diffeent way to all other hawkwind stuff ( imho) there are lots of uses of fade ins and fade outs, instruments being brought in and out of the mix depending on what the "mixer" is wanting the sound to be. but i can hear the theremin and dave's guitar ( which he is'nt playing all the time )i know i am going out on a limb here but i don't have any problem with it at all. this is never the sound from the video camera's as i have filmed many a gig and can never get this sort of sound. given the choice of playing kos or magna ( which i was at ) kos always wins, maybe its just a personal thing. having said that slough 93 and solstice 2005 are better than either of them, john-paul ( windw izard ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Mary , I 'm just one of those people that have that poor mans stereo . My Knights of Space has been filed away for storage . One day if I hit the lottery and can afford that million dollar stereo that Jimmy G . must have ,I'll get it back out . But I really don't think Knights of Space would sound good on that either . I just had to laugh when I saw that review. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 21 11:35:48 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:35:48 -0600 Subject: HW come to the fair?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm setting the current value of this item in mint, as of today, conservatively at $2000.00 USA, until further notice when I may increase that On 2/19/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,I think its because the BBC is starting to reissue a few of the old > BBC recordings on cd and vinyl . For instance , Motorhead just had a recent > issue 2 cd set and 2 different LP vinyl called "BBC Live & In-session . > It > contained 4 different BBC Radio 1 shows from 1978,1979 ,1981,1986 ...... > And > with Hawkwind ,you know that BBC transcription disc has been on bootleg > cds already in the past . Maybe their trying to keep it out of the wrong > hands. > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 21 15:10:42 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:10:42 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: John ,except there is one important difference. When the Grateful dead do it ,its noted that it is a bootleg quality and sold that way . When Voiceprint and Hawkwind do it ,they try to pass it off as a official release and charge official prices too. I notice in your thread you didn't buy them . Why is that if you think its such a great idea? Its because you don't want to pay $30 for a crummy band released audience tape on cd isn't it? I have the tapes of the shows too ,and also bought the cds BECAUSE they were official Dave Brock sanctioned Voice print releases. So I thought ,why would Hawkwind release officially something worse than the crummy tapes a lot of us have ,it must be at least a soundboard or so ,BUT ITS WORSE than the crummy tapes. When Dave B does this ,what makes him different from Dave Anderson releasing all his stuff? I know I for one ,I am getting tired of such crummy quality sounding releases . Its sad . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 21 15:17:25 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:17:25 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Your kidding right? When is the last time you were at the ear doctor ? From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 21 15:20:57 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:20:57 EST Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Could you quote what you are replying to please. Thanks, Steve. In a message dated 21/02/2009 20:17:44 GMT Standard Time, busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET writes: Your kidding right? When is the last time you were at the ear doctor ? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 21 15:39:06 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:39:06 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ""On 2/21/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: Could you quote what you are replying to please. Thanks, Steve."" Wow he is succinct (did I use the word correct here?) in email. I remember how soft spoken he is/was this is a great human being so he deserves the love approach here From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 21 15:45:55 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:45:55 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind on cd universe. Message-ID: This is a perfect example of how Hawkwind loses fans and sales because of bootleg official releases. If you go to all the online stores for example ,CD universe and bring up Hawkwind ,guess what you see on the first page? Only 3 cds ,Reading 1992 ,Minnepolis 1989,and a new remastered reissue of Text of festival . Wonder how many fans will order or have already ordered these three thinking they are wonderful,official releases ? Especially Reading and Minneapolis . Guess what happens when they get them after spending their hard earned money . Oh and by the way ,you say what about the atomhenge remasters, they are on later pages and they are already on sale at $19.99 ,down from $24.99 a week or so ago. I could see why. Say a fan like me sees the Reading and Minneapolis in official release. And already may have copies of the remasters on Griffin or Virgin or vinyl ,so instead of the atomhenge for now he buys the Reading and Minneapolis instead.Thinks he happy ? Think he says ,I'll buy more? And nowhere on the bands website or even the Yahoo group is there anything warning people about these till people actually start buying them. Voiceprint has got these in official release everywhere,including e-bay,Tower,Walmart ,cduniverse,etc. Probably couldn't sell them at all from Hawkwind direct ,because only diehard fans sent to that like myself and words gets around .So unleash them on the general public . I think that the two Dave's are pretty close now in the race for who released the most crummy sounding audience tapes as official releases. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 21 15:50:08 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:50:08 -0500 Subject: Going to Space Ritual 2009? Message-ID: If I lived in the UK I would be there .But USA person. From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Feb 21 15:52:28 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:52:28 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: There are probably too many Johns on here, so it's getting confusing who is writing what. I did buy these releases, ordering them well in advance of the issue date. Like you, I was hoping the Voiceprint versions would be closer to the source, but no such luck. Still, I'm thankful that these things are getting released at all. I wasn't really aware that they are being sold as anything other than "official bootlegs," so I haven't been very worked up about the sound quality. "Knights of Space," on the other hand, as an official live album, definitely suffers from an abysmal mix, and so it's easy to go on harping about the lack of quality. John Majka >John ,except there is one important difference. When the Grateful dead do it ,its noted that it is a bootleg quality and sold that way . When Voiceprint and Hawkwind do it ,they try to pass it off as a official release and charge official prices too. I notice in your thread you didn't buy them . Why is that if you think its such a great idea? Its because you don't want to pay $30 for a crummy band released audience tape on cd isn't it? I have the tapes of the shows too ,and also bought the cds BECAUSE they were official Dave Brock sanctioned Voice print releases. So I thought ,why would Hawkwind release officially something worse than the crummy tapes a lot of us have ,it must be at least a soundboard or so ,BUT ITS WORSE than the crummy tapes. When Dave B does this ,what makes him different from Dave Anderson releasing all his stuff? I know I for one ,I am getting tired of such crummy quality sounding releases . Its sad . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 21 15:56:28 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:56:28 -0600 Subject: Going to Space Ritual 2009? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sorry me again but I have felt quite compelled to applaud Steve for going Enjoy some for me too I aspire to learning how to pack a suitcase before my heart-attack gets here doesn't really matter that I won't be setting foot out the door On 2/21/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > If I lived in the UK I would be there .But USA person. > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Feb 21 17:33:48 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:33:48 EST Subject: OFF: PRODIGY Message-ID: Anyone here seen Prodigy? Just got tix for the NYC show..opinions requested, Thanks. Bill **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sat Feb 21 23:59:07 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:59:07 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: John , Hawkwind Direct was selling these and fans must have stopped buying them. They really are for sale everywhere along with the videos from Hawkwind Direct too .Go on any website and they are there now. They are all over ebay ,and the one selling them on e-bay is Voiceprint . Now they are appearing in Tower,cd universe ,Target,Walmart, Fyes, Borders ,etc and because they are so new ,are replacing the Atomhenge reissues in the Highlighted cds on the Hawkwind sections. So more fans are buying them who don't know really know what they are instead of the reissued Atomhenges. Die hard fans like me buy them and aren't happy but still around ,but casual or new fans are probably very upset and not going to buy anything after buying these. So for a small short term gain of money ,Hawkwind loses far more in the long run. Its kind of the Dave A. ,Yuri Gargarian thing ,all over again ,only with Dave B. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Sun Feb 22 00:15:21 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:15:21 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 03:31:44 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:31:44 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is happening to this band? john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Feb 22 04:34:59 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:34:59 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <20AD5E90C7BD44BABA61DC1970B42693@johnpaul> Message-ID: I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and have found it this morning. I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. Steve On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality > is > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > with > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Sun Feb 22 09:58:06 2009 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:58:06 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doesn't seem that much wrong with my KOS either - cd or DVD. What's the problem with the problem with the mix that people are complaining about - is it on the cd version or the DVD version? Haven't listened to the 'Official Bootlegs' yet so can't comment. Horse Steve Freight wrote: > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > > >> i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is >> absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone >> would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we >> really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is >> happening to this band? john-paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < >> busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM >> Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com >> >> >> I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality >> is >> ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix >> was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword >> tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or >> me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix >> with >> a Theremin and one of us isn't . >> >> > > > > -- Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... Hunter S Thompson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Feb 22 10:08:17 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:08:17 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry have you got a spare of this to send for comparison??? On 2/21/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > with > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Feb 22 10:39:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:39:08 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <20AD5E90C7BD44BABA61DC1970B42693@johnpaul> Message-ID: hi John-Paul, I am wondering, are you guys all in the UK, and if so the DVD-s have to be in PAL versus our NTSC right?? or is it "region free", etc, because I seem to remember that years ago my vids had to be the correct format wondering if this is where the problem might lie??? the USA version?? but I am also thinking of Scott, who is not here, so mmm On 2/22/09, john-paul wrote: > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > with > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > From elipxr5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 22 11:35:10 2009 From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM (elipxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:35:10 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on KOS. To my ears there is really nothing at all wrong with the way that soundtrack sounds taken as an isolated piece of music. The sound is clear, and the mix is decent, on its own merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not allow you to hear the instruments that your eyes are seeing in the video, and this can be quite disconcerting. Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing at the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, it makes you think the mix is off. Same for Dave's guitar at points, you see him playing it physically, but you don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, but I would argue that if you listen with your eyes closed that you would not be able to categorize this as bad audio. So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken on its own...but I would support the concept that the mix does not play well against the video because of the way that the instruments are highlighted in this mix. Eli -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and have found it this morning. I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. Steve On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality > is > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > with > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Feb 22 11:45:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:45:39 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <8CB6322A9FCF46C-141C-364D@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good old Eli so sorry about the accidental feline-freakout phone call.....but that was stewart's fault BTW, I had no idea the band apparently actually had the flu for the KOS show??? and I saw a review that was blaming this for the poor sound?? curiouser and curioser...won't even go into the fact that I think it was by a "Lost Johnny" but not this Lost Johnny regarding HW material through the years, are we REALLY SURE, who the names are behind who has put out what??? nevermind off for mittag soon On 2/22/09, elipxr5 at aol.com wrote: > > I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on KOS. To my ears > there is really nothing at all wrong with the way that soundtrack sounds > taken as an isolated piece of music. The sound is clear, and the mix is > decent, on its own merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and > some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not allow you to hear > the instruments that your eyes are seeing in the video, and this can be > quite disconcerting. Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing > at the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, it makes you > think the mix is off. Same for Dave's guitar at points, you see him playing > it physically, but you don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I > have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, but I would > argue that if you listen with your eyes closed that you would not be able to > categorize this as bad audio. So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken > on its own...but I! > would support the concept that the mix does not play well against the video > because of the way that the instruments are highlighted in this mix. Eli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Freight > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > > > > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul > wrote: > > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe > someone > > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > > happening to this band? john-paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality > > is > > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the > mix > > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him > or > > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > > with > > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > > > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > > > > > From heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 11:41:21 2009 From: heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK (tajemtoe) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:41:21 -0800 Subject: BOC Source 2LP Message-ID: I'm parting with a lot of stuff and have this radio-show LP if anybody would care to make an offer. broadcast date feb 5-7, 1982 Excellent condition vinyl radio show album with cue sheet. Dr Music Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ETI) Hot Rails To Hell Cities On Flame With Rock'n'Roll Joan Crawford Burnin' For You Seven Screaming Diz Busters Veteran Of The Psychedelic Wars Stairway To The Stars Godzilla Born To Be Wild (Don't Fear) The Reaper Roadhouse Blues show time 93:46 contact the bint at heresybint at yahoo.co.uk if you are interested. thanks, julia From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Feb 22 12:27:23 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:27:23 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <8CB6322A9FCF46C-141C-364D@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I think the mix is ok and acceptable but could be better - I wouldn't class it as awful. The main problem I have with it is the weak vocals. Out of interest try listening to the version of Aerospaceage Inferno on Hawkwind's Myspace page for conparison with the KOS version. ...... What da ya reckon?? Mick --- On Sun, 22/2/09, elipxr5 at AOL.COM wrote: > From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 4:35 PM > I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on > KOS. To my ears there is really nothing at all wrong with > the way that soundtrack sounds taken as an isolated piece of > music. The sound is clear, and the mix is decent, on its own > merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and > some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not > allow you to hear the instruments that your eyes are seeing > in the video, and this can be quite disconcerting. > Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing at > the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, > it makes you think the mix is off. Same for Dave's > guitar at points, you see him playing it physically, but you > don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I > have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, > but I would argue that if you listen with your eyes closed > that you would not be able to categorize this as bad audio. > So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken on its > own...but I! > would support the concept that the mix does not play well > against the video because of the way that the instruments > are highlighted in this mix. Eli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Freight > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > > > > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid > my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with > john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this > again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul > wrote: > > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out > there. mine is > > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i > can't believe someone > > would say the things they are saying if they had the > disc that i have. we > > really do need some clarity from somone on this > subject. what the hell is > > happening to this band? john-paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost > Johnny" < > > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of > Space sound quality > > is > > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . > Because I thought the mix > > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like > on the Black Sword > > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any > Theremin . So either him or > > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is > hearing a good mix > > with > > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > > > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle > of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 22 12:55:18 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:55:18 EST Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: They CD and DVD are both the same. I've just listened to some of the DVD again. When I eventually received it I was so glad to have it in my mitts, I grabbed a beer and whacked it on. I was disappointed for 2 reasons: 1 - it is certainly not high definition, 2 - the sound is only a 2 channel mix whereas I wanted LCPM, DTS and 5.1 mixes, so that was a serious let down for me. It's not as bad as some are making out though, and I think these anti KOS comments have stemmed since Kris revealed a mistake in the interview at Hard Rock Hell. Regarding Dave's guitar... I wanted that cranking up at the GIGS during this period of Hawk history, never mind the DVD. He was much too low in the mix so it's probably an accurate reflection of the night. This has been sorted now though, as he was loud and clear during the December '08 tour. Steve. In a message dated 22/02/2009 14:59:21 GMT Standard Time, horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET writes: Doesn't seem that much wrong with my KOS either - cd or DVD. What's the problem with the problem with the mix that people are complaining about - is it on the cd version or the DVD version? From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 16:08:02 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:08:02 -0000 Subject: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD Message-ID: ok everyone, after all the slagging off about the kos recording i decided to watch it again and study the sound/video mix/sync. i have got to say that it is a very professional recording. the sound is full with each seperate instrument being audible in the mix. the sound is synched brilliantly with the video, zooms on tim playing the theremin while it can be clearly heard, his synth guitar is clear while we see close ups of is dextorous playing. daves guitar can be heard clearly chugging away although low in the mix. stuarts tinkling ivory's are clear and precise which showed what a great musician he was. if i have a copy of this that others don't have then lucky me because it is great, and to this end i would like to invite anyone who wants to come and see, to my house to prove what a good recording it is. i live in east yorkshire, england and any true hawkfan will be welcome. if anyone is interested, say so and we will work something out, john-paul From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 22 16:37:49 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:37:49 EST Subject: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD Message-ID: Agreed on all of that. Dave's guitar was terribly low in the mix. This is not a fault of the DVD. So where does the faaut li? We go to see Hawkwind. We want BLANGA and to be able to hear the guitar. What's the point of being in the audience if you can't hear what you can clearly see Dave is playing? I don't want to imagine it, I want it to tear into my ears! If the people on the mixing desk are reading this, turn it up for feks sake. I know you've already done this so keep it so... but turn it up a bit more. Let that guitar rip. Steve. In a message dated 22/02/2009 21:08:39 GMT Standard Time, hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK writes: ok everyone, after all the slagging off about the kos recording i decided to watch it again and study the sound/video mix/sync. i have got to say that it is a very professional recording. the sound is full with each seperate instrument being audible in the mix. the sound is synched brilliantly with the video, zooms on tim playing the theremin while it can be clearly heard, his synth guitar is clear while we see close ups of is dextorous playing. daves guitar can be heard clearly chugging away although low in the mix. stuarts tinkling ivory's are clear and precise which showed what a great musician he was. if i have a copy of this that others don't have then lucky me because it is great, and to this end i would like to invite anyone who wants to come and see, to my house to prove what a good recording it is. i live in east yorkshire, england and any true hawkfan will be welcome. if anyone is interested, say so and we will work something out, john-paul From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 17:37:14 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:37:14 -0000 Subject: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD Message-ID: having said that, there are a couple of bits which are pure blanga, ie, when the guitar comes in on robot and the lead on alien i am, wow! go brock, even with the flu, kudos! , john-paul. ps just watched it again on my pc with headphones ( while wife was watching "cum dancing" ) and i have to say it is probably the closest thing to seeing hawkwind live i have seen ( and i have a few films of them ) ( my site http://windwizard.110mb.com/ ) i think that the masters/time we left section was edited by someone who was at the space ritual gigs in the 70's, i can imagine thats what it looked like live with the aid of a few illegal substances, john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD > > Agreed on all of that. > Dave's guitar was terribly low in the mix. > This is not a fault of the DVD. > So where does the faaut li? > We go to see Hawkwind. We want BLANGA and to be able to hear the guitar. > What's the point of being in the audience if you can't hear what you can > clearly see Dave is playing? I don't want to imagine it, I want it to > tear into > my ears! > If the people on the mixing desk are reading this, turn it up for feks > sake. > I know you've already done this so keep it so... but turn it up a bit > more. > > Let that guitar rip. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 22/02/2009 21:08:39 GMT Standard Time, > hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK writes: > > ok everyone, after all the slagging off about the kos recording i decided > to > watch it again and study the sound/video mix/sync. i have got to say that > it > is a very professional recording. the sound is full with each seperate > instrument being audible in the mix. the sound is synched brilliantly with > the > video, zooms on tim playing the theremin while it can be clearly heard, > his > synth guitar is clear while we see close ups of is dextorous playing. > daves > guitar can be heard clearly chugging away although low in the mix. stuarts > tinkling ivory's are clear and precise which showed what a great musician > he was. > if i have a copy of this that others don't have then lucky me because it > is > great, and to this end i would like to invite anyone who wants to come and > see, > to my house to prove what a good recording it is. i live in east > yorkshire, > england and any true hawkfan will be welcome. if anyone is interested, > say so > and we will work something out, john-paul > > > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Feb 22 19:30:34 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:30:34 EST Subject: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2009 5:37:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK writes: Message-ID: my approach since longer than memory serves, has always been "no 2 hawkwind items are identical until careful scrutiny proves them so" I also thought Dave was saying, in Social Alliance "you think they're the same but they're all different", and maybe we have a case of social alliance here I actually think it not beyond the realm of possibility that John-Paul, does indeed, possess a "golden egg" get your trades figured out?? BTW, achieving a doppelganger with Charisma original press vinyl was no small feat From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Feb 22 21:31:10 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:31:10 -0600 Subject: KNIGHTS OF SPACE DVD/CD In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902221830s758a55baked0b713072c4d503@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: make that "astounding" original press oooop On 2/22/09, mike coleman wrote: > > my approach since longer than memory serves, has always been "no 2 hawkwind > items are identical until careful scrutiny proves them so" > I also thought Dave was saying, in Social Alliance "you think they're the > same but they're all different", and maybe we have a case of social alliance > here > I actually think it not beyond the realm of possibility that John-Paul, > does indeed, possess a "golden egg" > get your trades figured out?? > BTW, achieving a doppelganger with Charisma original press vinyl was no > small feat > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Feb 23 05:16:00 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:16:00 +0100 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Hello I agree with what Eli says here. This is probably the main problem but in both cases, Dave's guitar is usually the lowest instrument in the mix and this should not be and many of Tim's solos and thermin playing is poorly audible. It just does not sound that good so why bother when you can watch the winter solstice 2005, which is much better...I am told... It all really comes down to quality control and no one actually watched the final thing before it was released it would seem. This lack of correlation between what you see and what you hear is strange and should just not happen.. Why should the guitar or thermin be neglected? People would really complain more if you could see them singing and not here it but for me the guitar is as important as the vocal. scott -----Original Message----- From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM [mailto:elipxr5 at AOL.COM] Sent: 22. februar 2009 17:35 Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on KOS. To my ears there is really nothing at all wrong with the way that soundtrack sounds taken as an isolated piece of music. The sound is clear, and the mix is decent, on its own merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not allow you to hear the instruments that your eyes are seeing in the video, and this can be quite disconcerting. Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing at the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, it makes you think the mix is off. Same for Dave's guitar at points, you see him playing it physically, but you don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, but I would argue that if you listen with your eyes closed that you would not be able to categorize this as bad audio. So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken on its own...but I! would support the concept that the mix does not play well against the video because of the way that the instruments are highlighted in this mix. Eli -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and have found it this morning. I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. Steve On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe > someone would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that > i have. we really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. > what the hell is happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound > quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I > thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like > on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any > Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because > one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 06:33:35 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:33:35 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: but i am sorry scott, that is just not the case on the copy i have. when we see a close up of musician/instrument that instrument can be clearly heard. on a couple of occasions tims synth/guitar can't be heard but after you see him fiddle with some buttons you can hear him fine, thats his fault not the mix. his theremin is perfectly mixed and compliments the music wonderfully. daves guitar also gets louder after he has played around with his magic box? i am convinced there are different mixes of this out there and if this is right then the question is, why? john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix Hello I agree with what Eli says here. This is probably the main problem but in both cases, Dave's guitar is usually the lowest instrument in the mix and this should not be and many of Tim's solos and thermin playing is poorly audible. It just does not sound that good so why bother when you can watch the winter solstice 2005, which is much better...I am told... It all really comes down to quality control and no one actually watched the final thing before it was released it would seem. This lack of correlation between what you see and what you hear is strange and should just not happen.. Why should the guitar or thermin be neglected? People would really complain more if you could see them singing and not here it but for me the guitar is as important as the vocal. scott -----Original Message----- From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM [mailto:elipxr5 at AOL.COM] Sent: 22. februar 2009 17:35 Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on KOS. To my ears there is really nothing at all wrong with the way that soundtrack sounds taken as an isolated piece of music. The sound is clear, and the mix is decent, on its own merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not allow you to hear the instruments that your eyes are seeing in the video, and this can be quite disconcerting. Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing at the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, it makes you think the mix is off. Same for Dave's guitar at points, you see him playing it physically, but you don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, but I would argue that if you listen with your eyes closed that you would not be able to categorize this as bad audio. So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken on its own...but I! would support the concept that the mix does not play well against the video because of the way that the instruments are highlighted in this mix. Eli -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and have found it this morning. I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. Steve On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe > someone would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that > i have. we really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. > what the hell is happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound > quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I > thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like > on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any > Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because > one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 07:47:00 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:47:00 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <7B478133400C4247A9C8E80FE5560A6D@johnpaul> Message-ID: Have to agree with John-Paul. Watched the DVD last night and I have no problems at all with the mix or quality. Steve On 2/23/09, john-paul wrote: > > but i am sorry scott, that is just not the case on the copy i have. when we > see a close up of musician/instrument that instrument can be clearly heard. > on a couple of occasions tims synth/guitar can't be heard but after you see > him fiddle with some buttons you can hear him fine, thats his fault not the > mix. his theremin is perfectly mixed and compliments the music wonderfully. > daves guitar also gets louder after he has played around with his magic box? > i am convinced there are different mixes of this out there and if this is > right then the question is, why? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" > > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > > Hello > > I agree with what Eli says here. This is probably the main problem but in > both cases, Dave's guitar is usually the lowest instrument in the mix and > this should not be and many of Tim's solos and thermin playing is poorly > audible. It just does not sound that good so why bother when you can watch > the winter solstice 2005, which is much better...I am told... > > It all really comes down to quality control and no one actually watched the > final thing before it was released it would seem. This lack of correlation > between what you see and what you hear is strange and should just not > happen.. Why should the guitar or thermin be neglected? People would really > complain more if you could see them singing and not here it but for me the > guitar is as important as the vocal. > > scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM [mailto:elipxr5 at AOL.COM] > Sent: 22. februar 2009 17:35 > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on KOS. To my ears > there is really nothing at all wrong with the way that soundtrack sounds > taken as an isolated piece of music. The sound is clear, and the mix is > decent, on its own merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and > some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not allow you to hear > the instruments that your eyes are seeing in the video, and this can be > quite disconcerting. Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing > at the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, it makes you > think the mix is off. Same for Dave's guitar at points, you see him playing > it physically, but you don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I > have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, but I would > argue that if you listen with your eyes closed that you would not be able to > categorize this as bad audio. So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken > on its own...but I! > would support the concept that the mix does not play well against the > video because of the way that the instruments are highlighted in this mix. > Eli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Freight > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > > > > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul > wrote: > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is >> absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe >> someone would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that >> i have. we really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. >> what the hell is happening to this band? john-paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < >> busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM >> Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com >> >> >> I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound >> quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I >> thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like >> on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any >> Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because >> one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . >> >> > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 07:53:43 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:53:43 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind custom Westone Paduak Thunder bass guitar on E-bay Message-ID: This is up for grabs on E-bay. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160317604390 Heres the blurb and you know that Guy's work has been well documented before so as it says a piece of history. Thought you might be interested to view even if you don't want to bid. Steve OK - MEGA rarity here! A real part of Hawkwind history. This REALLY is a one-off. It is the result of combining a Westone Paduak body, with all the rest of the parts from a Westone Thunder-1 bass. On the Westone forums, this one-off guitar is known as the Thunduak-1 (Thunder+Paduak). Obviously custom painted, in acrylic, with Hawkwind's DoReMi album cover. This was built, customised, and painted by Guy Thomas, who did the custom paint job on Dave Brock's recently sold Paduak-1 guitar, back in 1984. That instrument was sold here on Ebay for a very hefty 4 figures, and if you've read this far, you will know that it was painted with the "Warrior on the Edge of Time" LP cover. Seen on many websites, also on the back of the Album "It is the business of the Future to be Dangerous" (where Thomas gets a credit.) There is a very long story to this instrument offered here, and the association with Hawkwind, so here goes, with it's complete history, and the Brock/Hawkwind association: 1982 ? Thomas saw Brock playing a Paduak-1 at Donington. (Harvey was playing a Thunder-II bass, and Huw had a Concord-II) 1983 ? Thomas bought the same Paduak-1 1984 ? Thomas painted a really cheap Jazz bass with the warrior cover, both sides. (back & front of the LP cover) That bass long since gone! 1984 - Earth Ritual Spring Tour. Thomas got backstage at Slough, met the band, showed Dave a picture of the Warrior Jazz bass - Brock liked it 1984 - Summer ? Thomas painted his Paduak, just on the front, with the warrior cover 1984 - Winter tour - took the Paduak to Crawley - Brock loved it 1984 - Winter tour - Dunstable gig, Brock gave Thomas his own Paduak to paint the same way! Far better than the paint job on Thomas's! It was returned to Brock, one week later at the Reading gig, where Brock used it for the very first time on Orgone Acumulator, when a string snapped on his main Ibanez axe! Just after the previous track, he gave his main guitar to his roadie to restring, legged it back to the dressing room, to pick up the Paduak, returned to the stage and was fumbling with the switches to work out the loudest setting and it was horribly out of tune too! Aha - fond memories! 1988 ? Thomas's Paduak (this body) got damaged, whist removing the neck, the outer corner of the neck pocket snapped when one of the neck screw heads sheared off, and brute force resulted in the damage, which was neatly rounded off. Alas losing that screw, meant that the guitar neck was never quite as firm as before. 2006 ? Fast forward 16 years. After the guitar sat in bits all that time, Thomas acquired the parts of a Thunder-1 bass specifically for this project. A bass has a substantially larger neck pocket, and it was suitably adapted to take the wider neck. The original damage has no impact at all on the fixing of the bass neck, which is now absolutely rock solid. Because of the conversion from guitar to bass, the old pickup holes had to be filled, and new ones routed, so that meant sacrificing the original finish. It was decided, that rather than try to re-invent it as another Warrior Paduak, that the Doremi LP cover would be used instead. This was done, this time in hand brushed acrylic with several top coats of acrylic aerosol. (Back in '84 Brocks version was finished in Humbrol enamels, with top coats of spray varnish!) Here's a few links to Thomas' Westone/Hawkwind association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Super_lenton/Guy_Thomas http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html So, to summarise, the bass comprises of the following bits: Paduak: Body, Strap buttons, Neck plate. Thunder: Neck, Machine Head Tuners, Pickups, Bridge Custom made "Thunduak-1" truss rod cover. (I have an original Thunder-1 truss rod cover somewhere) It is fitted with brass knobs ? typical of the Westone guitars of the early 80's This guitar is newly fitted with medium gauge Dadi Nickel strings, and is nicely set up, with good action and spot-on intonation. As well as being a great piece to just hang on your wall, is actually great to play. Great output from the "Puncher-1" pickup (as fitted to Thunder and Concord basses). OK ? this is not pristine ? there's plenty of minor knocks to the body and neck, but nothing to detract from this genuine piece of Hawkwind history, or from the instrument's playability. -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 23 08:03:44 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:03:44 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <003301c993aa$90476050$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On 20 Feb 2009, at 17:28 , John Majka wrote: > The Reading 1992 and Minneapolis 1989 shows are treasures among > bootlegs, for those who have tapes close to the source. What > surprises me is that no one in charge of these releases made any > effort to use the actual masters or at least a low-generation bootleg. Hmm, since my understanding is that HW allow trading/sharing of shows these days (unless they've since reverse that policy while I wasn't looking), anyone with tapes close to the source wanna digitize them and put the FLACs up as a torrent? (Or does that violate the trading policy because it would conflict with the cruddy sounding official releases, immoral though it would seem to have released those when better quality sources exist?) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 08:24:06 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:24:06 -0800 Subject: Going to Space Ritual 2009? Message-ID: Yeah, it kinda sucks that my intention of seeing both SR 2009 and the Hawkwind 40 Year event is gonna cost me 2 overseas airfares and probably 4 nights of London hotel prices... But why the hell am I working so hard for a living, if it isn't to fund my Hawkwind fix...? :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Going to Space Ritual 2009? To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET If I lived in the UK I would be there .But USA person. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 02:21:36 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:21:36 +0000 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, I used to have a double CD of the Reading 19. May 92 show from Soundboard, it had totally great sound, and did i the art on a 2CDR version in circulation (there were 2: "Secret Tepee" and mine & Randy Abeck's "Supersonic Spaceage Peacehead" with my terrible monkey art) - AND so why would Hawkwind release an audience recording when a SB recording is already in existence among a zillion traders?? The Reading 92 show is my fave of the power trio era, 91-94. So I downloaded a poor audience version from The Pirate Bay and have ordered the Official one (are they in DVD cases btw?) - are they two different ones again? The Pirate Bay one says there are several audience versions BUT SO, i DESPERATELY need that Soundboard recording and I know SOME PEOPLE INCL. Bernard has a copy of Randy & my "Negasonic Spaceage Peacehead" - could someone with this make me a set with or without artwork? C. ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sunday, 22 February, 2009 6:15:21 Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 09:21:45 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:21:45 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind custom Westone Paduak Thunder bass guitar on E-bay Message-ID: *Sorry but in case anyone was interested E-bay pulled the original listing - now relisted at* http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160317714743 -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 09:26:45 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:26:45 -0800 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: Some things that can affect DVD sound: - The PCM stereo mix often sounds completely different than the Dolby Digital 5.1 mix - If you're listening to the DD5.1 automatically downmixed to stereo by your receiver, some of those do a really piss poor job of it (and if you're accidentally listening to the DD 5.1 mix on a stereo system *without* using the stereo downmixing mode, then it's definitely going to sound like crap!) :) - Even if you're listening to the DD 5.1 mix on surround system... if it hasn't been properly calibrated, it can still sound crappy. I haven't heard KOS but I could imagine any of these things affecting people's perceptions of how good or bad the mix sounds... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 12:16 am Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality is ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix with a Theremin and one of us isn't . From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Feb 23 09:53:55 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:53:55 -0600 Subject: Going to Space Ritual 2009? In-Reply-To: <3318222245.47775536@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: hear, hear. Of course, I'm only making it for HW, not Space Ritual, but I'm still all over folks managing to make it overseas! Arin On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Steve Swann wrote: :Subject: Re: Going to Space Ritual 2009? : :Yeah, it kinda sucks that my intention of seeing both SR 2009 and the Hawkwind 40 Year event is gonna cost me 2 overseas airfares and probably 4 nights of London hotel prices... But why the hell am I working so hard for a living, if it isn't to fund my Hawkwind fix...? :) : :Steve : :-----Original Message----- :From: Lost Johnny :Date: Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 3:51 pm :Subject: Re: Going to Space Ritual 2009? :To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET : :If I lived in the UK I would be there .But USA person. : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Feb 23 11:34:35 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:34:35 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mine's been fine all along. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Freight Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:35 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and have found it this morning. I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. Steve On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul wrote: > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe someone > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > happening to this band? john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality > is > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the mix > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him or > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > with > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 11:41:01 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:41:01 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: On 2/23/09, mary wrote: > > Mine's been fine all along. > Mary How do you know?? Owen's eyes?? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 11:42:06 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:42:06 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh just the sound,,,sorry On 2/23/09, mary wrote: > > Mine's been fine all along. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Freight > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:35 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul > wrote: > > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out there. mine is > > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i can't believe > someone > > would say the things they are saying if they had the disc that i have. we > > really do need some clarity from somone on this subject. what the hell is > > happening to this band? john-paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of Space sound quality > > is > > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . Because I thought the > mix > > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like on the Black Sword > > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any Theremin . So either him > or > > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is hearing a good mix > > with > > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > > > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Feb 23 11:44:38 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: <85462.59575.qm@web86204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If it was a case of a bug that affected the throat that could explain the vocal problem, and they couldn't have canceled the show or recording, could they? I remember in '91 when HW played Cleveland and Dave's voice was hurting from a bug, or our pollution, so it was really obvious his range was limited. I guess they can change the scheduling of a show due to an act of God, whether this would constitute that is a bit beyond me to say. I will do the listening comparison with Myspace. I wish Roadburn had been a professional release, or the latest Astoria show. I've been asking for this live release for a while, as many of you may remember from my postings, so I'm really glad to have and enjoy it. Love in space, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mick Crook Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com I think the mix is ok and acceptable but could be better - I wouldn't class it as awful. The main problem I have with it is the weak vocals. Out of interest try listening to the version of Aerospaceage Inferno on Hawkwind's Myspace page for conparison with the KOS version. ...... What da ya reckon?? Mick --- On Sun, 22/2/09, elipxr5 at AOL.COM wrote: > From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 4:35 PM > I think there are two sides to the audio quality issue on > KOS. To my ears there is really nothing at all wrong with > the way that soundtrack sounds taken as an isolated piece of > music. The sound is clear, and the mix is decent, on its own > merits. I think that what is freaking out Lost Johnny and > some others has to do with the fact that this mix does not > allow you to hear the instruments that your eyes are seeing > in the video, and this can be quite disconcerting. > Certainly, its very strange when you see Tim gesturing at > the theremin, and don't hear the sounds being produced, > it makes you think the mix is off. Same for Dave's > guitar at points, you see him playing it physically, but you > don't get to hear the sound produced on the track. I > have no idea why these elements were downplayed in the mix, > but I would argue that if you listen with your eyes closed > that you would not be able to categorize this as bad audio. > So to sum up...I think the audio is fine taken on its > own...but I! > would support the concept that the mix does not play well > against the video because of the way that the instruments > are highlighted in this mix. Eli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Freight > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:34 am > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > > > > I've been reading these with interest as I had mislaid > my copy of this and > have found it this morning. > > I've just been listening and have to agree with > john-paul, my copy is > absolutely fine and I'm enjoying it now. > > Pleased that this thread has led me to listen to this > again. > > Steve > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:31 AM, john-paul > wrote: > > > i think there must be two different mixes of kos out > there. mine is > > absolutely fine and a friend says his is great too. i > can't believe someone > > would say the things they are saying if they had the > disc that i have. we > > really do need some clarity from somone on this > subject. what the hell is > > happening to this band? john-paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost > Johnny" < > > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Knights of Space review on amazon.com > > > > > > I was talking about John-Paul saying his Knights of > Space sound quality > > is > > ok and that he could hear Tim Blake's Theremin . > Because I thought the mix > > was awful and that Tim Blake was doing a mime act like > on the Black Sword > > tour or something ,because I couldn't hear any > Theremin . So either him or > > me may need an ear doctor visit because one of us is > hearing a good mix > > with > > a Theremin and one of us isn't . > > > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle > of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 14:17:12 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Its for money . Look at all the crummy sounding things Hawkwnd have put out recently on Voiceprint. Sometimes money comes before the fans . And as long as die hard fans like me accept that,it will continue and the band will lose more casual and new fans like they have been . I've stopped buying anything new until I see many reviews from unbiased fans .And if everyone did that we wouldn't get anymore crummy ones like Knights of Space or Reading or MInneapolis or Glastonbury or Live 1990 .......Dave Brock has been doing music for forty years, he has to know these are crummy sound quality recordings,but evidently doesn't really care. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 14:22:26 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:22:26 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: MIstake ? She said it was recorded on the camera sound,not through the mixing unit and that Tim Blake's theremin wasn't plugged in at all . And that it would be recalled ,but it never was. So a minor mistake you say ? It terrible and should have never been released . From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 14:31:41 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:31:41 +0000 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: I haven't heard most of the releases mentioned here, but I'm surprised to see the Live 1990 CD lumped in with these other recordings, seemed to me to be a fantastic release... Ian ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:17:12 PM Subject: Re: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Its for money . Look at all the crummy sounding things Hawkwnd have put out recently on Voiceprint. Sometimes money comes before the fans . And as long as die hard fans like me accept that,it will continue and the band will lose more casual and new fans like they have been . I've stopped buying anything new until I see many reviews from unbiased fans .And if everyone did that we wouldn't get anymore crummy ones like Knights of Space or Reading or MInneapolis or Glastonbury or Live 1990 .......Dave Brock has been doing music for forty years, he has to know these are crummy sound quality recordings,but evidently doesn't really care. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 14:40:16 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:40:16 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of Dave Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 14:58:44 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:44 EST Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com Message-ID: I didn't use the word minor. That is a major mistake. However, my copy sounds good despite only being a 2 channel mix. As for Tim's theramin... I can hear it. Maybe there really are 2 different versions circulating, which is going to drive the collectors mad trying to get the crap one. Steve. PS... note that I quoted what I was replying to. If you want to reply privately that's fine, (StevePXR5 at aol.com) but replies to the list should have a portion of the original post included so we know who and what you are replying to. In a message dated 23/02/2009 19:22:38 GMT Standard Time, busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET writes: MIstake ? She said it was recorded on the camera sound,not through the mixing unit and that Tim Blake's theremin wasn't plugged in at all . And that it would be recalled ,but it never was. So a minor mistake you say ? It terrible and should have never been released . From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:00:01 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:00:01 EST Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: In a message dated 23/02/2009 19:40:57 GMT Standard Time, busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET writes: Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Could this be the bogus Nik Turner? Steve. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 15:02:06 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:02:06 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space Message-ID: Everyone should go to komodorock.com There is an AUDIO interview of Kris Tait,Dave Brock ,Tim Blake , Mr.Dibbs and the new guy. It will answer all your questions about the Knights of Space quality , and its from Dave Brock and Kris Taits own mouths ! During the interview Kris Tait says " Knights of Space needs to be withdrawn and recalled . It was recorded on the camera,not the mixing board ,and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't even plugged in the whole show. We been trying to get a hold of the recording company to do a withdraw or something ,but they won't ring me back." .And Dave Brock says the vocals have problems because we all had the flu .So because its an audio interview it can't be someone making it up ,so I guess the ear doctor needs to be called for anyone who hears normal sound and especially Tim Blake's Theremin. I heard a crummy camera sound recording and did not hear Tim Blake's Theremin so I am canceling my ear doctor appointment. But a few of you need one right away . And you can see why this interview was not noted on the forums by some who knew about it , because it greatly disproves their point. I mean you can have different opinoins on the songs or content, but when you rate sound quality in a review don't be biased and say its something its not .Go to www.komodorock.com/hard-rock-hell/hard-rock-hell-cover From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 15:05:42 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:05:42 -0500 Subject: www.komodorock.com Richadrd Leaving? Message-ID: In the audio interview of Dave Brock,Kris Tait ,Mr.Dibbs ,Tim Blake and the new guy ,Dave Brock says "Richard Chadwick is leaving to join another band." Does anyone know anything about this? From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 15:08:54 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:08:54 -0500 Subject: Douglass Smith now managing the Hawklords? Message-ID: ON the website they say Douglass Smith is now managing the Hawklords . Everything he gets involved with always turns to gold ,Hawkwind should have never fired him . Hawkwind,Motorhead,Girlschool ,Chumbuwamba From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 15:15:58 2009 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:15:58 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Man, Slow down, chill and relax. You need a vacation. That popular UK space beat combo Hawkwind do some good ones. http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/tix2b.htm -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Lost Johnny Sent: 23 February 2009 19:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of Dave Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:17:21 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:17:21 EST Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space Message-ID: Listen Buster (pun intended), I am sick of being told I need an "ear Doctor" If you were referring to me being biased because I like KOS, you are wrong. I stated I was disappointed, but it is nowhere near as bad as some of the crap that has been released. I wrote about the "Hawkwind Direct" releases, and that I have better recordings than those released officially. Is that biased? Makes me wonder if you actually own Knights Of Space, as you are spouting a lot of top class BS and insulting people who appreciate a decent DVD release, as opposed to some of the crappy ones in which you can't tell what the hell is going on on that stage. Rant over, but not out... Steve In a message dated 23/02/2009 20:02:45 GMT Standard Time, busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET writes: I heard a crummy camera sound recording and did not hear Tim Blake's Theremin so I am canceling my ear doctor appointment. But a few of you need one right away . From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Feb 23 15:24:29 2009 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (David Bottomley) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:24:29 -0000 Subject: www.komodorock.com Richadrd Leaving? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you listen closely, Dave says that Richard is *watching* another band. Hence his absence from the interview. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Lost Johnny > Sent: 23 February 2009 20:06 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: www.komodorock.com Richadrd Leaving? > > > In the audio interview of Dave Brock,Kris Tait ,Mr.Dibbs ,Tim > Blake and > the new guy ,Dave Brock says "Richard Chadwick is leaving to > join another > band." Does anyone know anything about this? From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:26:59 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:26:59 EST Subject: www.komodorock.com Richadrd Leaving? Message-ID: That guy's going into my SPAM folder. He can't even spell Dibs. Steve. In a message dated 23/02/2009 20:24:46 GMT Standard Time, daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM writes: If you listen closely, Dave says that Richard is *watching* another band. Hence his absence from the interview. Dave From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:39:53 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:39:53 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <9034330611383435727@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I think know what the root of this is. Larry, I myself consider the people here a part of Hawkwind In a way, if the officail bootlegs fail to draw the teen buying public, then it just keeps us that much more intimate there is always a silver lining On 2/23/09, mark wrote: > > Hey Man, > > Slow down, chill and relax. You need a vacation. > That popular UK space beat combo Hawkwind do some good ones. > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/tix2b.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Lost Johnny > Sent: 23 February 2009 19:40 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with > your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go > to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of > Dave > Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I > quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded > on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged > in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so > our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's > website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go > and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no > fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can > see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 15:47:38 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:47:38 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The sound on KoS is definitely not from camera mics; I have filmed many concerts using pro equipment over the last few years and that is either the desk mix or a very poor multitrack mix. A camera mic recording would be far, far worse! --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: From: Lost Johnny Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 7:40 PM Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of Dave Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:47:50 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:47:50 EST Subject: Hearing Aid Test... Message-ID: Passed. Just listened to the track from "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams". The left, the right and the middle all function. I had to play it loud though to drown out the tinnitus. Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 15:52:54 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:52:54 EST Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Ufficail? A true Hawklord. Steve. In a message dated 23/02/2009 20:40:46 GMT Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: I think know what the root of this is. Larry, I myself consider the people here a part of Hawkwind In a way, if the officail bootlegs fail to draw the teen buying public, then it just keeps us that much more intimate there is always a silver lining From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Feb 23 15:57:11 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:57:11 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for posting the link to this interview - it was very interesting. Apparently Dave has an albino horse called Elric..... Mick --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > From: Lost Johnny > Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 8:02 PM > Everyone should go to komodorock.com There is an AUDIO > interview of > Kris Tait,Dave Brock ,Tim Blake , Mr.Dibbs and the new guy. > It will answer > all your questions about the Knights of Space quality , and > its from Dave > Brock and Kris Taits own mouths ! During the interview Kris > Tait says " > Knights of Space needs to be withdrawn and recalled . It > was recorded on the > camera,not the mixing board ,and Tim Blake's Theremin > wasn't even plugged in > the whole show. We been trying to get a hold of the > recording company to do > a withdraw or something ,but they won't ring me > back." .And Dave Brock says > the vocals have problems because we all had the flu .So > because its an audio > interview it can't be someone making it up ,so I guess > the ear doctor needs > to be called for anyone who hears normal sound and > especially Tim Blake's > Theremin. I heard a crummy camera sound recording and did > not hear Tim > Blake's Theremin so I am canceling my ear doctor > appointment. But a few of > you need one right away . And you can see why this > interview was not noted > on the forums by some who knew about it , because it > greatly disproves their > point. I mean you can have different opinoins on the songs > or content, but > when you rate sound quality in a review don't be biased > and say its > something its not .Go to > www.komodorock.com/hard-rock-hell/hard-rock-hell-cover From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 16:00:34 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:00:34 EST Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space Message-ID: I misheard that. Thought it was Eric. I really do need an ear doctor. ho ho ho he he he Eric the half a .... horse? Nah. In a message dated 23/02/2009 20:58:00 GMT Standard Time, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: Thanks for posting the link to this interview - it was very interesting. Apparently Dave has an albino horse called Elric..... Mick From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 16:05:24 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:05:24 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902231239i1cb6cbddo811cb5b97f2f1cf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think "disgruntled" is the word here and I am not insulting my old aquaintance I believe it's mostly a personal issue and I feared seeing this stituation come Larry forums are actually not the easiest thing in the world, and when you come here, it's a jungle of people with "dr.technical" on their medication bottles it is obvious that KOS wasn't all it could be but the majority of comments here shows that this and the others are not taking pleasure awat from any of us and I urge you to calm and join us rather than getting yourself tangled in the wolfpack they don't know you and it takes people often a LOT of time to adjust to (pardon the proper term) "newbies" I know you go way back and I know they don't know what you are really like but using the forum to really get at Dave and Kris won't fly, and you certainly won't gain very many associates now, how about some eye-candy for a stress relief a Venezualian Mt. Grill, yet another back cover variation http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290298186406&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 also, isn't it maybe time Hawkwind was moving on label-wise, going by their own history, and maybe this is what we are witnessing, just a thought On 2/23/09, mike coleman wrote: > > I think know what the root of this is. > Larry, I myself consider the people here a part of Hawkwind > In a way, if the officail bootlegs fail to draw the teen buying public, > then it just keeps us that much more intimate > there is always a silver lining > > > On 2/23/09, mark wrote: >> >> Hey Man, >> >> Slow down, chill and relax. You need a vacation. >> That popular UK space beat combo Hawkwind do some good ones. >> http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/tix2b.htm >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> Behalf Of Lost Johnny >> Sent: 23 February 2009 19:40 >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix >> >> Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with >> your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . >> Go >> to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of >> Dave >> Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and >> I >> quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded >> on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't >> plugged >> in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so >> our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's >> website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go >> and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does >> no >> fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can >> see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. >> > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 16:14:19 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:14:19 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: < wrote: Ufficail? A true Hawklord. Steve.>> official..I'm actually a fairly decent speller, but alas lazy cleaning the drool, tobacco, cat-hair, and grit out of a keyboard that is touchy and was a hand-me-down grudge at me?? from the past when I wasn't serious??? From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 23 16:35:51 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:35:51 EST Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: As am I. I meant to type Officail. Steve. In a message dated 23/02/2009 21:14:54 GMT Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: Ufficail? A true Hawklord. Steve.>> official..I'm actually a fairly decent speller, but alas lazy cleaning the drool, tobacco, cat-hair, and grit out of a keyboard that is touchy and was a hand-me-down grudge at me?? from the past when I wasn't serious??? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 16:42:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:42:39 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/23/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > As am I. > I meant to type Officail. > Steve. I notice my typos increase, due to rushing and the keypad I am open to what needs correcting about myself, and all I recall is that I made a smart-ass comment once towards one of the steve's and i honestly do not recall anything more but I apologize as I did then for whatever it was maybe too many posts straining acceptable limits, etc. From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 16:52:24 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:52:24 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: well i can SEE and HEAR tims theremin so that is a crock of s***. i don't do biased reviews and if you knew me you would know that i am telling the truth. as i said in an earlier post come to my house and watch it, you would obviously be in for a great surprise. i feel sorry for the people who have'nt got the recording i have cos they are mising out on something good. john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of Dave Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 17:04:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:04:39 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <391449888B9F4D3797B13D6EA63FD9F3@johnpaul> Message-ID: and I never have not believed you DUDE, you've got a Dell!!! clones have no flaws to idenitify (responding to John-Paul just below) On 2/23/09, john-paul wrote: > > well i can SEE and HEAR tims theremin so that is a crock of s***. i don't > do biased reviews and if you knew me you would know that i am telling the > truth. as i said in an earlier post come to my house and watch it, you would > obviously be in for a great surprise. i feel sorry for the people who > have'nt got the recording i have cos they are mising out on something good. > john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" < > busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET> > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > > Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with > your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go > to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of > Dave > Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I > quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded > on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged > in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so > our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's > website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go > and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no > fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can > see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Feb 23 17:05:07 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:07 -0800 Subject: General state of discord on the list Message-ID: Please, people, the bickering is getting old. I can't afford Knights in Space, any of the Atomhenge CDs, either of the big shows this year, etc. It's good to get a fan's view on the?releases but the arguments' have been endless. It's not about who's right or wrong. My American two cents. Gary From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Feb 23 17:17:40 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:17:40 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: I think the HW interview is just a sort of after-the-fact apology for the release, which is clearly a multitrack recording, although one that's poorly mixed. I don't mind the vocals, so if HW had the flu, it didn't seem to affect the performance any. The theremin is indeed audible in dribs and drabs here and there, proving that it was in fact plugged in. It's just the miserable mix of instrumentation that detracts from what could have been a stellar release. We all know that Dave has been mixing himself lower and lower over time, but KOS is the apex of that approach, where his guitar almost ceases to exist for much of the show, even though it is quite audible and lovely for Robot, for example. Now if we could just get that Roadburn show released.... John Majka > well i can SEE and HEAR tims theremin so that is a crock of s***. i don't > do biased reviews and if you knew me you would know that i am telling the > truth. as i said in an earlier post come to my house and watch it, you > would obviously be in for a great surprise. i feel sorry for the people > who have'nt got the recording i have cos they are mising out on something > good. john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lost Johnny" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > > Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with > your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . > Go > to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of > Dave > Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and > I > quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded > on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't > plugged > in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so > our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's > website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go > and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does > no > fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can > see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 17:46:51 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:46:51 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <005c01c99604$8af13930$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: The problem with Dave's guitar in the live mix is not to do with "Dave mixing himself lower"; he has no control over where he sits in the mix and is dependent on the sound engineer to set the FoH levels.? Any level problems could easily have been dealt with in the DVD mix, assuming that Dave did not do that mix. Describing the interview as some sort of apology seems somewhat "kind"; what happened was that they presented a totally inaccurate and easily disprovable explanation of why the audio track is so bad.? Why not just tell the truth for once? I do wonder who it was who got the mix so badly wrong and why nobody picked up on it.? Usually, the band are presented with a listening (CD) or watching (DVD) copy of the recording, or attend a screening to check that everything is ok; did that not happen? It is all very odd, but very typical of Hawkwind:(. --- On Mon, 23/2/09, John Majka wrote: From: John Majka Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 10:17 PM I think the HW interview is just a sort of after-the-fact apology for the release, which is clearly a multitrack recording, although one that's poorly mixed. I don't mind the vocals, so if HW had the flu, it didn't seem to affect the performance any. The theremin is indeed audible in dribs and drabs here and there, proving that it was in fact plugged in. It's just the miserable mix of instrumentation that detracts from what could have been a stellar release. We all know that Dave has been mixing himself lower and lower over time, but KOS is the apex of that approach, where his guitar almost ceases to exist for much of the show, even though it is quite audible and lovely for Robot, for example. Now if we could just get that Roadburn show released.... John Majka > well i can SEE and HEAR tims theremin so that is a crock of s***. i don't do biased reviews and if you knew me you would know that i am telling the truth. as i said in an earlier post come to my house and watch it, you would obviously be in for a great surprise. i feel sorry for the people who have'nt got the recording i have cos they are mising out on something good. john-paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lost Johnny" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > > Scott ,you and me don't need the ear doctor . John-Paul,Eli and Steve with > your biased reviews you need to make a appointment as soon as possible . Go > to the website www.komodorock.com and listen to a Hawkwind interview of Dave > Brock ,Kris Tait ,Mr Dibbs ,the new guy and Tim Blake. Kris Tait says and I > quote," The Knights of Space needs to be recalled . The sound was recorded > on the camera ,not the mixing board and Tim Blake's Theremin wasn't plugged > in at all for the whole show. " And Dave Brock says "we all had the flu so > our voices were really bad ". And why wasn't this announced on the band's > website or Yahoo group or here so we all don't end up buying it? Scott ,Go > and listen to the interview ,you'll be amazed and shocked . And why does no > fan post info about that interview when they see it so the rest of us can > see it and not buy junky sounding things like Knights of Space. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 19:37:49 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:37:49 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Ian ,one of them may not be live 1990 ,I may be wrong on that specific one ,I may have to go and dig it out ,but its quite a few on Voiceprint that are horrible. Don't take my word or anyone elses order a few from Voiceprint and see for yourself. Start with Glastonbury 1990 .The point I was making was why is this out anyway in official release by the band. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 19:42:17 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:42:17 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: If you ordered the official Voiceprint one you will be sorry. The pirate bay copy is probably better . If you still can ,I would cancel that Reading 1992 order or you'll be sorry. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 19:54:53 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:54:53 -0500 Subject: General state of discord on the list Message-ID: Gary thats the problem . I'm no millionaire either and put out good money for these. I expect at least a quality sound recording in the year 2009 and if the band knew it wasn't and there was problems ,ANNOUNCE it on your band forum . Or somebody who heard that interview from this forum ,post a link. But no one does ,Why? If I had heard that interview ,I would have never bought the Knights of Space on cd or DVD and saved $70 . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 20:03:12 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:03:12 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space Message-ID: I'm not talking about if you like the release song wise ,etc.,or not ,I am talking about the SOUND QUALITY of the release . Even Kris Tait and Dave Brock acknowledge there is a problem with that. Are they wrong too ? And if you don't think I have these releases ,do you want to buy mine? I'll sell you Reading 1992 ,Minneapolis ,89 ,Knights of Space on DVD and CD ,Glastonbury 90 . Which ones you want ? But before I sell them to you or anyone ,I would warn you about the sound quality . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 20:10:03 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:10:03 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please make sure everything aside of Glastonbury 90 is reserved for me if you have a few extras I'll save the money 'Live 90" is the latter one, right?? and if so I need that On 2/23/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > I'm not talking about if you like the release song wise ,etc.,or not ,I > am talking about the SOUND QUALITY of the release . Even Kris Tait and Dave > Brock acknowledge there is a problem with that. Are they wrong too ? And if > you don't think I have these releases ,do you want to buy mine? I'll sell > you Reading 1992 ,Minneapolis ,89 ,Knights of Space on DVD and CD > ,Glastonbury 90 . Which ones you want ? But before I sell them to you or > anyone ,I would warn you about the sound quality . > From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 20:13:13 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:13:13 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Colin ,I myself don't know what it is ,I am going by what Kris Tait and Dave said in the interview. Probably best to go and listen to the audio interview and you may understand more than I could tell you. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 20:33:46 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:33:46 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: No its not Nik Turner. That kind of thinking is what is the problem. Say anything against the band or Nik Turner or Alan Davey ,even if the one of them makes a mistake and its Nik Turner must be causing trouble. Or maybe its Alan Davey doing it undercover. Or its Dave Brocks undercover. It could never be a disappointed fan of them all could it ? Or maybe its the band just messed up and issued a crummy sound quality recording again. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 20:53:48 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:53:48 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Ian ,some of the Voiceprint are horrible sound quality. And as bad as some of the Hawkwind ones are ,you should hear some of the Bob Calvert ones. In your book or Carols book ,their is a couple pages on the Voiceprint deal by Dave and comments from I think ,and I'm not sure with out looking it up, Douglass Smith on the bad quality sound on some of them. If you want an example ,buy Glastonbury 90 . Thats one that I'm sure of without going and listening to them . You'll be amazed how bad it is. And its like $30 us dollars too. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Mon Feb 23 21:08:59 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:08:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space Message-ID: Mike ,I haven't forgot about you. That cd package arrived in Dallas today at 9:49 am Monday so you should get it maybe tomorrow. Do you have Glastonbury 90 and Knights of Space on cd or DVD? Matter of fact,what of the later cds from the last few years do you have? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Feb 23 21:30:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:30:08 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind audio interview on komodorock.com about Knights of Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Folks, I will remove further comments from the list Larry I have been stabbing away at rare vinyl and putting regular cd releases on hold knowing I'd catch up basically missing stuff from june 12th 2002 onward If glastonbury 1990 is with the dog barking , I've got 2 versions thank you so much On 2/23/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Mike ,I haven't forgot about you. That cd package arrived in Dallas today > at 9:49 am Monday so you should get it maybe tomorrow. Do you have > Glastonbury 90 and Knights of Space on cd or DVD? Matter of fact,what of > the > later cds from the last few years do you have? > From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 03:06:21 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:06:21 +0000 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Must be Carol's book. ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:53:48 AM Subject: Re: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Ian ,some of the Voiceprint are horrible sound quality. And as bad as some of the Hawkwind ones are ,you should hear some of the Bob Calvert ones. In your book or Carols book ,their is a couple pages on the Voiceprint deal by Dave and comments from I think ,and I'm not sure with out looking it up, Douglass Smith on the bad quality sound on some of them. If you want an example ,buy Glastonbury 90 . Thats one that I'm sure of without going and listening to them . You'll be amazed how bad it is. And its like $30 us dollars too. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 09:44:35 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:44:35 -0800 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: So my copy of KOS arrived, and instead of settling the debate one way or the other, it just raised more questions. For one thing, what audio format is it recorded in? My receiver seemed to want to play it in DTS mode, but I don't see any indication in the packaging or the (practically non-existent) menus that the DVD has a DTS audio track. Even curiouser... the DD indicator light is *also* lit. I think I may have to throw this in my computer to actually get any answers about the nature of the audio track(s).... As for how it sounds... It sounds like a professionally recorded DVD that was mixed by someone who thinks that Hawkwind is mostly about synths. I could hear Dave's guitar but it mostly sounded soft/muted. Occasionally the theremin came blazing through but sometimes it was totally inaudible even when I could clearly see TB playing it. Now, I'm admittedly totally biased. My instructions to the audio engineer would have been: MAKE BROCKS GUITAR STOMP ALL OVER EVERYTHING LIKE A 900 FOOT STEEL ROBOT The person who mixed KOS clearly doesn't share my bias. But that doesn't mean that it sucks - it's just mixed to a different taste. And for what it's worth, I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I thought that Paradox sounded awesome. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Monday, Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET No its not Nik Turner. That kind of thinking is what is the problem. Say anything against the band or Nik Turner or Alan Davey ,even if the one of them makes a mistake and its Nik Turner must be causing trouble. Or maybe its Alan Davey doing it undercover. Or its Dave Brocks undercover. It could never be a disappointed fan of them all could it ? Or maybe its the band just messed up and issued a crummy sound quality recording again. From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Feb 24 10:33:52 2009 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (David Bottomley) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:33:52 -0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <3318313474.50870454@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth, I completely agree with you, Steve. The sound quality is perfectly fine, but where's the blanga? As a case in point, the intro of the main riff to Flying Doctor should soar off into the stratosphere propelled by Brock's guitar, but instead it just bumbles along. No! What I find curious is that I don't see any production or engineering credits on the insert. I wonder if that's an error of omission or a diffusion of responsibility? Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: 24 February 2009 14:45 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > > > So my copy of KOS arrived, and instead of settling the debate > one way or the other, it just raised more questions. > > For one thing, what audio format is it recorded in? My > receiver seemed to want to play it in DTS mode, but I don't > see any indication in the packaging or the (practically > non-existent) menus that the DVD has a DTS audio track. Even > curiouser... the DD indicator light is *also* lit. I think I > may have to throw this in my computer to actually get any > answers about the nature of the audio track(s).... > > As for how it sounds... It sounds like a professionally > recorded DVD that was mixed by someone who thinks that > Hawkwind is mostly about synths. I could hear Dave's guitar > but it mostly sounded soft/muted. Occasionally the theremin > came blazing through but sometimes it was totally inaudible > even when I could clearly see TB playing it. > > Now, I'm admittedly totally biased. My instructions to the > audio engineer would have been: MAKE BROCKS GUITAR STOMP ALL > OVER EVERYTHING LIKE A 900 FOOT STEEL ROBOT > > The person who mixed KOS clearly doesn't share my bias. But > that doesn't mean that it sucks - it's just mixed to a > different taste. And for what it's worth, I haven't heard > the whole thing yet, but I thought that Paradox sounded awesome. > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lost Johnny > Date: Monday, Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm > Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > No its not Nik Turner. That kind of thinking is what is the > problem. Say > anything against the band or Nik Turner or Alan Davey ,even > if the one of > them makes a mistake and its Nik Turner must be causing > trouble. Or maybe > its Alan Davey doing it undercover. Or its Dave Brocks > undercover. It could > never be a disappointed fan of them all could it ? Or maybe > its the band > just messed up and issued a crummy sound quality recording again. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Feb 24 11:17:53 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:17:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mike Burro gig reminder for 2/28 + GHETTONSONGBIRD to join bill 3/13 Message-ID: Check out GHETTOSONGBIRD http://www.myspace.com/ghettosongbirdjukebox Ghettosongbird to join the bill on 3/13 ( maybe 1 more TBA ) Body: venue links on our myspace ( friends section ) page: http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 Addional acts have already been added for 2/28 by the booking agency but they will be hand picked by me for the March 13th show CHECK OUT GHETTOSONGBIRD at: http://www.myspace.com/ghettosongbirdjukebox Mike Burro & friends Saturday, February 28th (see venue link on myspace site for additional act ) Friday, March 13th ( with GHETTOSONBIRD, maybe 1 more TBA ) Hamilton Lanes 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ 08619 ( 609 ) 585-2400 Just released in The UK by Blueriff records, The One Eyed Bishops' 'School of Rock-n-Roll' is now available for immediate download at: http://store.payloadz.com/str-asp-i.231148-n.THE_ONE_EYED_BISHOPS_At_the_school_of_rock_n_roll_Music_Miscellaneous-end-detail.html The 2003 recorded One Eyed Bishops studio CD, 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', has just been released on Blueriff records UK, and is available exclusively through their website at: www.blueriff.webs.com/ The CD was recorded and engineered by Terry Clemson of The TT's ( formerly of The Downliners Sect ), and includes performances and spoken word material by Don Craine & Keith Grant ( Downliners Sect ),Mick Farren (Deviants ), Phil Smith ( Headsmith, Debbie Giles band ), skiffle legend Chas Mcdevitt, Bill Kingston ( Wild Angels ) Terry Clemson and more. More information on the Blueriff records website , and Mike Burro' s upcoming shows in the press article below: http://www.prlog.org/10178771.html booking email: sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Feb 24 11:23:17 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:23:17 +0100 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <3318313474.50870454@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve >... It sounds like a professionally recorded DVD that was mixed by someone who thinks that Hawkwind is mostly about synths. >... it's just mixed to a different taste. Absolutely agree with you. Mixed in a way most of us do not want to hear because Daves guitar is to low in the mix It is indeed a superb recording from an average gig. I wish they would have taken the Wolverhampton show from 12.12.2007 which was far better and contained FABLE OF A FAILED RACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All in all I am happy with this release. Not the best one but worth to buy. Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 24 14:47:13 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:47:13 GMT Subject: Return to List In-Reply-To: Dave Hall's message of Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:03:30 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Feb 24 17:12:15 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:12:15 -0500 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: <876979.8344.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, I'll put my 2 cents in with yours. I can relate to being on a tight (understatement) budget. Whether you love hate or haven't made up your mind about KOS it's your decision to make, and whether others like it or not can be interesting but it's not going to influence my choice. Arguing about it isn't going to change any of our opinions. Maybe this will be 1 of the last comments on this particular thread? With respect to all concerned, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of gary shindler Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: General state of discord on the list Please, people, the bickering is getting old. I can't afford Knights in Space, any of the Atomhenge CDs, either of the big shows this year, etc. It's good to get a fan's view on the?releases but the arguments' have been endless. It's not about who's right or wrong. My American two cents. Gary From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Feb 24 17:22:17 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:22:17 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too can spell fairly well considering many of the words I use I've never seen written down since Braille is bulky and slow. On 1 occasion I was trying to write mayonnaise in an email to explain to people making a dinner that I can't eat the stuff. I wrote an approximation of the word and Spellchecker did it's thing, but words do slip by with that too. Solder was the last 1 that threw me for a bit of a loop. Sure, I like my spelling and grammar to be correct, but this IS a forum, and I think the insults on spelling grammar and all are unnecessary and irrelevant. Just my opinion. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix As am I. I meant to type Officail. Steve. In a message dated 23/02/2009 21:14:54 GMT Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: Ufficail? A true Hawklord. Steve.>> official..I'm actually a fairly decent speller, but alas lazy cleaning the drool, tobacco, cat-hair, and grit out of a keyboard that is touchy and was a hand-me-down grudge at me?? from the past when I wasn't serious??? From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 24 17:40:04 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:40:04 EST Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Ah the lovely spellchecker. It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard with me and seeing that on the screen. The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, Roxie and Kiwi. It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and the others have. Steve. In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: I wrote an approximation of the word and Spellchecker did it's thing From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 18:04:56 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:04:56 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare occasions there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if you naturally spell poorly best to use it I stand, "improved" you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am late On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > Ah the lovely spellchecker. > It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. > Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard > with me and seeing that on the screen. > The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, Roxie > and Kiwi. > > It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and the > others have. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, > maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: > > I wrote an approximation of the word and > Spellchecker did it's thing > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 18:40:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:40:58 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: and credit where credit due, special and I mean SPACIAL (no typo) credit and thanks x a zillion to unlost johnny for getting Tommy in my home a little sooner than later also, I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to continue..... On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare > occasions > there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same > you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if > you naturally spell poorly best to use it > I stand, "improved" > you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am > late > > > On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Ah the lovely spellchecker. >> It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. >> Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard >> with me and seeing that on the screen. >> The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, Roxie >> and Kiwi. >> >> It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and the >> others have. >> >> Steve. >> >> In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, >> maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: >> >> I wrote an approximation of the word and >> Spellchecker did it's thing >> >> >> >> > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 24 07:11:57 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:11:57 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <005c01c99604$8af13930$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On 23 Feb 2009, at 17:17, John Majka wrote: > Now if we could just get that Roadburn show released.... Amen! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 19:23:48 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:23:48 -0800 Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Yes, my boss should definitely have me work less hours so I can devote more time to my true calling, which is listening to (and analyzing and writing about) music. I'm not sure why he can't see this, it seems obvious to *me*... Steve -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 6:43 pm Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET and credit where credit due, special and I mean SPACIAL (no typo) credit and thanks x a zillion to unlost johnny for getting Tommy in my home a little sooner than later also, I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to continue..... On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare occasions there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if you naturally spell poorly best to use it I stand, "improved" you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am late > On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > Ah the lovely spellchecker. > It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. > Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard > with me and seeing that on the screen. > The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, Roxie > and Kiwi. > > It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and the > others have. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, > maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: > > I wrote an approximation of the word and > Spellchecker did it's thing > > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 24 07:18:29 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:18:29 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD In-Reply-To: <893301.26942.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 22 Feb 2009, at 02:21, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > AND so why would Hawkwind release an audience recording when a SB > recording is already in existence among a zillion traders?? Maybe they felt that there weren't already enough people arguing about the dodgy sound on some recent releases, and decided to put this out there just to provoke us .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 19:32:45 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:32:45 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <3318348227.52140290@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dilemma- attempt to clean the keypad, or spellchecker city for me is a dishwasher really safe??? but then....nevermind maybe we can flood your boss's inbox...... it's not fair, Mary has a special one On 2/24/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > Yes, my boss should definitely have me work less hours so I can devote more > time to my true calling, which is listening to (and analyzing and writing > about) music. I'm not sure why he can't see this, it seems obvious to > *me*... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 6:43 pm > Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > and credit where credit due, special and I mean SPACIAL (no typo) credit > and thanks x a zillion to unlost johnny for getting Tommy in my home a > little sooner than later > also, I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to > continue..... > > > > On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare > occasions > there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same > you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if > you naturally spell poorly best to use it > I stand, "improved" > you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am > late > > > > On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Ah the lovely spellchecker. > > It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. > > Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard > > with me and seeing that on the screen. > > The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, > Roxie > > and Kiwi. > > > > It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and > the > > others have. > > > > Steve. > > > > In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, > > maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: > > > > I wrote an approximation of the word and > > Spellchecker did it's thing > > > > > > > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Feb 24 20:33:19 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:33:19 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902241632u36429a04u393bc7be275b76b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike Coleman wrote, "I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to continue" Mike, you're enjoying all the chaos. Now this question of different pressings, with different qualities of Kos?. Are Dave and the band out to try to drive me crazy with all these variations on albums? That's all right, since I seem to have lost my mind already I can kick back and watch the rest of the world lose theirs. later, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix Dilemma- attempt to clean the keypad, or spellchecker city for me is a dishwasher really safe??? but then....nevermind maybe we can flood your boss's inbox...... it's not fair, Mary has a special one On 2/24/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > Yes, my boss should definitely have me work less hours so I can devote more > time to my true calling, which is listening to (and analyzing and writing > about) music. I'm not sure why he can't see this, it seems obvious to > *me*... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 6:43 pm > Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > and credit where credit due, special and I mean SPACIAL (no typo) credit > and thanks x a zillion to unlost johnny for getting Tommy in my home a > little sooner than later > also, I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to > continue..... > > > > On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare > occasions > there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same > you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if > you naturally spell poorly best to use it > I stand, "improved" > you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am > late > > > > On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Ah the lovely spellchecker. > > It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. > > Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a keyboard > > with me and seeing that on the screen. > > The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, > Roxie > > and Kiwi. > > > > It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and > the > > others have. > > > > Steve. > > > > In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, > > maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: > > > > I wrote an approximation of the word and > > Spellchecker did it's thing > > > > > > > > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Feb 24 20:35:10 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:35:10 EST Subject: General state of discord on the list Message-ID: I think YOU and that other prick Coleman are malcontents, along with Trev and your stupid Kat Kosh and Bun Bun too..as you can see they've changed me script once agin....and don't get me started on that Eli fellow.... luv bill BTW Acid Mothers are on the road again...I'll call ya...promise **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 20:50:06 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:50:06 -0600 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was trying to think of a way to tell him HE AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN' YET that was "the love approach" well Larry, he pegged me BTW, I had to break Mary's heart a bit concerning Bun-Bun the space poo's destination if my being aware of death millisecond-to-millisecond helps me cheat the world's way and slip out before he does I'm to old for animal-cloning....or am I?? not to mention what they do with upstarts....remember Ben?? On 2/24/09, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > > I think YOU and that other prick Coleman are malcontents, along with Trev > and your stupid Kat Kosh and Bun Bun too..as you can see they've changed me > script once agin....and don't get me started on that Eli fellow.... > luv > bill > BTW Acid Mothers are on the road again...I'll call ya...promise > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 20:56:44 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:56:44 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well, after all, referring back to my social alliance theme, didn't the Captain who still lives say "can your mind take it do you really care"? On 2/24/09, mary wrote: > > Mike Coleman wrote, "I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's > KOS to continue" Mike, you're enjoying all the chaos. Now this question > of > different pressings, with different qualities of Kos?. Are Dave and the > band out to try to drive me crazy with all these variations on albums? > That's all right, since I seem to have lost my mind already I can kick back > and watch the rest of the world lose theirs. > > later, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:33 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix > > > Dilemma- attempt to clean the keypad, or spellchecker city for me > is a dishwasher really safe??? > but then....nevermind > maybe we can flood your boss's inbox...... > it's not fair, Mary has a special one > > On 2/24/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > > > Yes, my boss should definitely have me work less hours so I can devote > more > > time to my true calling, which is listening to (and analyzing and writing > > about) music. I'm not sure why he can't see this, it seems obvious to > > *me*... > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike coleman > > Date: Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 6:43 pm > > Subject: (OFF) Knights of Space audio mix > > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: > > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > and credit where credit due, special and I mean SPACIAL (no typo) credit > > and thanks x a zillion to unlost johnny for getting Tommy in my home a > > little sooner than later > > also, I hope nobody minds but I want the saga os Steve S's KOS to > > continue..... > > > > > > > > On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > > > I personally find spellchecker retarded in the extreme except on rare > > occasions > > there was no problem here, steve and I see things the same > > you get an exception on this of course mary, and everyone really, but if > > you naturally spell poorly best to use it > > I stand, "improved" > > you can add me to the pro "wound in eternity" list as of NOW, sorry I am > > late > > > > > > > On 2/24/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah the lovely spellchecker. > > > It wants to change Ozzy to Oozy. > > > Marvellous! The cat is confused enough without him sitting at a > keyboard > > > with me and seeing that on the screen. > > > The other one is called Lemmy. No problems there... same with Monty, > > Roxie > > > and Kiwi. > > > > > > It's just Ozzy that's a bit upset as he hasn't started to ooze yet and > > the > > > others have. > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > In a message dated 24/02/2009 22:22:56 GMT Standard Time, > > > maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET writes: > > > > > > I wrote an approximation of the word and > > > Spellchecker did it's thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Feb 24 22:11:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:11:27 -0600 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902241750o3416dd78m1eb94c6ace3c27b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: last burp from me what could appear as flame fanning is not at all, however Bill's comment directed at the other sex was confusory I am so thankful I have thwarted Mary's attempt at helping me with a possible lyme disease diagnosis no bullhead clap here honey "peace shall come to everyone, I did not jump dimensions and space to waste this middle finger" If anyone can fix gary up with a rip or a burn I think my payapl account has a few pence left in it On 2/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > I was trying to think of a way to tell him HE AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN' YET > that was "the love approach" > well Larry, he pegged me > BTW, I had to break Mary's heart a bit concerning Bun-Bun the space poo's > destination if my being aware of death millisecond-to-millisecond helps me > cheat the world's way and slip out before he does > I'm to old for animal-cloning....or am I?? > not to mention what they do with upstarts....remember Ben?? > > On 2/24/09, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: >> >> I think YOU and that other prick Coleman are malcontents, along with Trev >> and your stupid Kat Kosh and Bun Bun too..as you can see they've changed >> me >> script once agin....and don't get me started on that Eli fellow.... >> luv >> bill >> BTW Acid Mothers are on the road again...I'll call ya...promise >> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 >> easy >> steps! >> ( >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID >> %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) >> > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Feb 25 02:00:45 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:00:45 EST Subject: General state of discord on the list Message-ID: I luv my Mare Mare...Had a terrible dream...won't eat meat again...it's complicated. sorry list, new meds..oy! bs **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Feb 25 06:41:51 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:41:51 -0500 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Bill, Sounds like a strange dream, whatever it was. I know how new medication can be, my shrink put me on Abilify, (or something like that), and the stuff had me talking like a babbling idiot. You'd ask me about a show, for example, and I'd be dreaming about something so my response was more from dreamland than reality. I think Poor Mike thought I was on some nasty bad hard stuff, well I suppose I was. Some of those psych med.s are too weird. Loony pills were the only solution to my depression my shrink had. I'd rather feel really bad than be polluted like that. Concerning me and my stupid Kosh, you have it all backward, it's stupid me, and Kosh. And a Malcontent, who me, (lol) I'm so lucky to have so many great friends through this list. Some have given me live shows so I can tune in to the continuing Hawkwind experience. I'd really love to get some live SR shows. I'll be wandering over to Nik's site to pick up on whatever shows are easily available. I'll be really happy when I can do the file sharing thing. Till then I'll rely on others on my end to help me acquire what I can on-line from this end, and I appreciate all the shows I've heard whether it be first hand or indirectly via recorded media. Many heartfelt thanks to the band for lifting the ban, and to my friends for sharing so many cool shows with me. I had a drink, or something, poised in my hand while listening to Astoria, and was still that way without having indulged nearly half way through the disc. Who needs hypnosis, binaural beats, or whatever psychoacoustical stuff that's out there when we have Hawkwind and all the great offshoots, related bands, and other live legends in the spacerock realm. Concerning my talk of being poor, it's all relative. Is anyone else from the list going to be at the Nektar show in NY in May? No, England may not be in my foreseeable future, but I can still find me a bit of fun now and again. Along with experiencing music by my favorite bands I love meeting and reuniting with other fans too. Bill, you crazy fothermucker, give me a call when you can. All the best to you and all the other pricks from NY. Nobody's ever called me that before. Since it takes 1 to know 1 I'm in good company. I hope you Bev, and your entire family, (cats included), are as well and happy as possible. Take care, and I hope you weather the incoming econostorm. Love ya, Mary and Kosh P.S. Kosh suggests you watch what you eat before bedtime to avoid bad dreams. p.p.s. Once again, to those on the list, sorry I do carry on about my cat. I guess I really do need to expand my social sphere, too much time alone with the little guy. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:01 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: General state of discord on the list I luv my Mare Mare...Had a terrible dream...won't eat meat again...it's complicated. sorry list, new meds..oy! bs **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 07:26:14 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:26:14 GMT Subject: Time Travel In-Reply-To: mary's message of Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 07:35:32 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:35:32 GMT Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Lost Johnny's message of Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 25 08:23:45 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:23:45 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <3318313474.50870454@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 24 Feb 2009, at 09:44 , Steve Swann wrote: > Now, I'm admittedly totally biased. My instructions to the audio > engineer would have been: MAKE BROCKS GUITAR STOMP ALL OVER > EVERYTHING LIKE A 900 FOOT STEEL ROBOT Amen! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 25 08:33:10 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:33:10 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <200902251235.n1PCZWao027889@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 25 Feb 2009, at 12:35 , M Holmes wrote: > His comment that he knows better than Dave what the fans want > to hear perhaps have some pertinence to us, but in the end Dave is the > boss and we all know we have to do shit the boss tells us even when > we're certain we're in the right. Well, Hawkwind is Brock's ship, no doubt about it -- but I don't _have_ to like _KoS_ if I don't want to .... :) I don't even _have_ to like Space Ritual (though, as it happens, I do). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 25 09:12:48 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:12:48 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <200902251235.n1PCZWao027889@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 25 Feb 2009, at 7:35 AM, M Holmes wrote: > I'm sure Alan feels he has his professional grievances. I'm sorry to > see that he doesn't view it as below his dignity to air them in a > magazine. His comment that he knows better than Dave what the fans > want > to hear perhaps have some pertinence to us, but in the end Dave is the > boss and we all know we have to do shit the boss tells us even when > we're certain we're in the right. The rest of the comment just looks > like spite, particularly, as someone else pointed out, the > circumstances > in which Alan came to the band. > > Right now he sounds worryingly like Turner did many years ago: someone > who's out of the band in fact, but mentally just can't seem to get to > grips with that. Maybe I am in an minority, but I actually found Alan's interview to be rather informative and refreshing. I certainly learned a lot! I didn't see it so much as you say above, but more along the lines of "now I'm out, I feel free to tell my side of the story instead of having to toe the party line." As with all he said/she said arguments, the real truth lies somewhere between, but I, for one, am at least glad to have both sides stated of various puzzling episodes of Hawkwind history, such as why Alan left the band on various occasions. (It's nice to hear that at least it wasn't all about money, which is the usual tune we hear sung.) Maybe it is more "dignified" not to tell your side of the story, but it is probably hard to keep quiet when you believe that outright lies are being told about you. Is it better for these things to leak out through murky third-party channels? I can appreciate that Alan might not want to let stand unchallenged statements like the taping/trading ban was all down to him, or that he had blown off Hawkfest and "gone fishing" instead. Leaving that unchallenged, if it is true, can damage your professional reputation. One thing that reassured me about the interview is that I discovered I am not the only one appalled by the modern method of Hawkwind recording. I was absolutely horrified when I read in one of the Hawkwind book bios that everything is methodically sequenced, even the drums---the drums, for God's sake! It just ain't right, I tells ya! :-) I agree with you that the stench of sour grapes hangs heavy over that interview. But, I, for one, am glad that Alan told his side of things. How true it is, I will probably never know. But, it does add to the general body of evidence that states that Hawkwind is very dysfunctional. I don't know if trying to whitewash that fact away will help matters any. Perhaps being aware of how screwed up and badly organised the band is will make us appreciate all the more what time we have with them together with Brock at the helm putting out new material, for surely a ship as leaky as this can't sail on too much longer... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 09:30:30 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:30:30 GMT Subject: Knights of Space review on amazon.com In-Reply-To: StevePXR5@AOL.COM's message of Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:20:57 EST Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 09:35:33 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:35:33 -0500 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Ian ,Carol indeed in her book has a few pages devoted to the Voiceprint situation with members and Douglass Smith complaining about Dave B . signing for the releases himself only and comments from people on the bad sound quality of the releases . I'm looking at it right now .She also has a few pages on Hawkwind being called into the office and fired from the RCA label,their last major. RCA tells them it is because of all the bad sounding audience tapes out there being sold as legitimate recordings alongside the RCA releases . In other words the Yuri Gargarian ,Text of Festival, Space Ritual 2 and the Acid Daze and all their various reincarnations . Its still happening today . Only now to Atomhenge with Reading ,Minneapolis ,and still all the various versions of Text of ,Acid Daze,Space Ritual2 ,etc. Matter of fact ,another remastered new version of Text Of Festival is now on all the websites. Go to cduniverse.com .for example .Guess the first two featured cd titles on page 1. Quark reissue,25 years on? NO ! Its Reading 1992 and a Brand new remastered Text of Festival . The Atomhenge releases are not highlighted at all and are actually on sale already. A lot of fans who may already have some of the the Griffin or EBS issues of the Atomhenges in the USA are buying the Reading ,Minneapolis and Knights of Space instead because they are something they don't have at all. And because they are in legitimate big box stores ,they assume they are official great sound quality releases .After spending almost $100 for those 3 in this economy ,when they get those 3 in the post , think their happy? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 09:48:07 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:48:07 -0600 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/25/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > (polite trim) Matter of > fact ,another remastered new version of Text Of Festival is now on all the > websites. Go to cduniverse.com .for example (nip-tuck) Larry Pierre and I are drooling for the TOF purple vinyl (ok well he is) (and) I might have bought the CD again already but I think it still lacks the meltdown side The complete Wembley 73 show is in the mail and I wanna LIVE!!!! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 09:50:58 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:50:58 GMT Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Lost Johnny's message of Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 09:58:54 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:58:54 GMT Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: David Bottomley's message of Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:33:52 -0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:00:31 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:00:31 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Mike ,Hawkwind is more than one man. I thought Doremi ,Spaceritual Warrior had Lemmy,Nik Turner Simon on it for example. The problem is people want everything one sided. When someone says ,Knights of Space is great ,like heaven on earth ,if you question that your always wrong and shut up. But when some one says the Charity show Herme Bay was crap,where are you then talking about don't say anything bad ever ? And as far as if Dave is watching this list,I hope he is. I would like to ask him when my Knights of Space will be recalled like he says in the interview? And maybe my Reading 1992 and Minneapolis 1989 also ? And that its an bosses order ,do it even if its wrong, well ,thats why people from unions. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:08:23 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:08:23 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: A superb recording and professionally recorded? Keep being in denial . Even Dave B. and Kris acknowledge the problems and wanted a recall . From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Feb 25 10:09:51 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 07:09:51 -0800 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Doesn't the Hawkwind website have an email address for management? Expecting him to read all these posts is a bit much. Take it up with them, you've obviously made your point here on the list. ________________________________ And as far as if Dave is watching this list,I hope he is. I would like to ask him when my Knights of Space will be recalled like he says in the interview? And maybe my Reading 1992 and Minneapolis 1989 also ? And that its an bosses order ,do it even if its wrong, well ,thats why people from unions. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:14:10 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:14:10 -0500 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Well ,not only do you disagree with a lot of fans everywhere ,but also Dave Brock and Kris Tait themselves ! Listen in the interview to their own words about wanting a recall because of bad sound quality . Or is Dave Brock and Kris Tait wrong too. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 10:16:49 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:16:49 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/25/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > Mike ,Hawkwind is more than one man. Dear Larry I think some of us (NOT all of us NOT all of us) see Dave as Hawkwind, or at least HW T.M. I myself would love nothing more than to see Nik guest in it again, despite all odds. I think most of us continue to enjoy whatever we get at this stage, and are like a big dysfucntional happy family IMHO this forum is the best one, and has carried me through thick and thin and back again, but I think all anyone would ask of you is to not insult them. I also would suggest that you send mail directly to Dave, and Kris, concerning the more unpleasant aspects of life, and just take it on faith that it will be read, as I do whenever I feel like saying something to god (Clapton was overrated) I think they can be reached at contact at hawkwind.com From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Feb 25 10:01:40 2009 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:01:40 -0500 Subject: The Mothership Connection In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902250648i316f46b0j9f59d2947d7d5244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, it is funk rather than blanga, but the 1976 DVD of Parliament Funkadelic shares a lot of characteristics with an all out Hawkwind concert experience. Psychedelic guitars, weird synth noises, squawking sax, strange costumes, extended jams. Parliament Funkadelic even has a space ship landing on stage. John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 10:30:39 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:30:39 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/25/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Well ,not only do you disagree with a lot of fans everywhere ,but also Dave > Brock and Kris Tait themselves ! Listen in the interview to their own words > about wanting a recall because of bad sound quality . Or is Dave Brock and > Kris Tait wrong too. > Larry they are also asking us to quote the things that are being replied to above, and I am likely the biggest offender in this area, and so please note this is actually quite important for me (and you) to do otherwise they will get pissed off it's already a hell of a mess of stuff flooding people and many are not omnipresent here, and it makes quite a job for those people I don't have KOS, I could care less about it, but now that all this has been upheaved, who's to say that by the time I buy it that it hasn't been repaired?? god knows how slow I am..... From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:33:14 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:33:14 -0500 Subject: General state of discord on the list Message-ID: Well ,Mary , your right that is the problem . If a release is not up to par as far as sound quality goes ,then be totally honest and let others know. Most of us ,especially in the economy in the USA ,are mindful of the money we have to spend and can't buy everything . Thats why most fans need honest reviews so we buy only the best. And thats why at least now if someone reads any of these posts and ,and sees the remarks on the Knights of Space ,Reading or Minneapolis, or goes to the audio interview link they now won't waste like $130 on something thats basically audience tape quality . They will spend the hard earned $130 instead on reissued Quark,PXR5 ,25 years,etc.,which all have wonderful sound quality and are much cheaper too. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:38:49 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:38:49 -0500 Subject: Hoaxwind downloads Message-ID: There are 4 free downloads by a UK cover band called Hoaxwind available at www.Reverbnation.com They are Assault and Battery,Angels of Death , Urban Guerrilla and Quark.. The sound quality is very good and the songs are pretty good too . From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:41:11 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:41:11 -0500 Subject: Hawklords Herme Bay Message-ID: The website www.reverbnation.com has downloads and videos from Herme Bay .One track ,Born To Go can be downloaded ,the others tracks and videos can be heard or viewed at the site. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 10:44:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:44:42 -0600 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/25/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > Thats why most fans need > honest reviews so we buy only the best. The only review I have ever read, because I consider opinions like orifices, was the other day just to confirm what I already knew.....that Wembley 73 is not an exact Yuri replica.....the review was NOT honest, but I know the guy that reviewed it and though he worded himself in a cloudy manner, I got what he was saying I never believe a thing anybody says really, and I don't care either Also, note what I am spending my money on and full well knowing what I am spending my money on Chaos as usual NEXT! From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Feb 25 10:49:51 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:49:51 -0500 Subject: Interview link with Knights of Space recall comments posted on bands website Message-ID: The audio interview link with the comments by Kris Tait and Dave Brock about the sound problems with Knights of Space has been posed on the bands Hawkwind.com website in the forum Albums . It is a posting called Knights of Space. So watch and see if the band answers it and doesn't censor it,the whole situation maybe will become a little clearer. So far only 2 replies ,none by the band . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 10:59:04 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:59:04 -0600 Subject: Calling Ben Cohen please Message-ID: I am getting "orders" from above, that Larry is repeating himself too much and moderation is requested at this time he is under the name "Lost Johnny" per Keith Kniveton Larry I tried From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 25 11:02:27 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:02:27 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Feb 2009, at 10:02 AM, Lost Johnny wrote: > Mike ,I don't think I have ever seen a one person show with the one > man > using anything but an acoustic guitar . I remember one year at the Blacksburg Annual Summer Festival, Steppin' Out, seeing a one-person show called "That One Guy with the Magic Pipe" (http://www.that1guy.com) who played... a weird steel pipe. (It wasn't just any old steel pipe. It was rigged all over with sensors and such that were hooked up to sequencers and synthesisers, which he played all in real time. He also had a couple of drum pedals and such.) He got an amazing array of sounds and rhythms out of that pipe. Also, perhaps tangentially Hawkwind-related, there's always Ed Alleyne- Johnson with his violin. He plays through various delays and effects boxes to make himself sound like a whole quartet! (E.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvv0lzjQQ8s) I'd pay to hear that! I've also seen a few other one-person performances that haven't been an acoustic guitar, e.g., one bloke who was playing a Chapman Stick. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Feb 25 11:10:34 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:10:34 -0500 Subject: The Mothership Connection In-Reply-To: <49A55D54.3040801@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: The CD of Funkadelic live from Meadowbrook is awfully good, too --- eddie hazel's guitar playing is in top shape. The only thing it's missing is Tiki Fulwood keeping the groove. Thanks for the heads up on the DVD! On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:01:40 -0500, John McIntyre wrote: > Well, it is funk rather than blanga, but the 1976 DVD of Parliament > Funkadelic shares a lot of characteristics with an all out Hawkwind > concert experience. Psychedelic guitars, weird synth noises, squawking > sax, strange costumes, extended jams. Parliament Funkadelic even has a > space ship landing on stage. > > John McIntyre > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 11:19:39 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:19:39 -0800 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: There's a difference between recording and mixing. Maybe you should try reading the discussion rather than just rushing to reiterate your one-note opinion for the umpteenth time. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Wednesday, Feb 25, 2009 10:10 am Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET A superb recording and professionally recorded? Keep being in denial . Even Dave B. and Kris acknowledge the problems and wanted a recall . From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 12:02:05 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:02:05 -0800 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Billy Bragg. AFAIK he *always* performs solo with a solid body electric guitar. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather Date: Wednesday, Feb 25, 2009 11:04 am Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 20 Feb 2009, at 10:02 AM, Lost Johnny wrote: > Mike ,I don't think I have ever seen a one person show with the one man using anything but an acoustic guitar . I remember one year at the Blacksburg Annual Summer Festival, Steppin' Out, seeing a one-person show called "That One Guy with the Magic Pipe" (http://www.that1guy.com) who played... a weird steel pipe. (It wasn't just any old steel pipe. It was rigged all over with sensors and such that were hooked up to sequencers and synthesisers, which he played all in real time. He also had a couple of drum pedals and such.) He got an amazing array of sounds and rhythms out of that pipe. Also, perhaps tangentially Hawkwind-related, there's always Ed Alleyne- Johnson with his violin. He plays through various delays and effects boxes to make himself sound like a whole quartet! (E.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvv0lzjQQ8s) I'd pay to hear that! I've also seen a few other one-person performances that haven't been an acoustic guitar, e.g., one bloke who was playing a Chapman Stick. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 12:04:53 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:04:53 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <75FE9E16-51DA-4BAF-838E-9DF23FF4007A@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Paul, ? That is a nicely nuanced commentary.? Just to?clarify one point, it was not Alan who instigated the taping/trading ban.? I was asked to make the announcement about the ban by Kris, who was very angry about the taping. ? The ban came about because, on the 2002 tour, there had been a couple of instances where people were found recording shows.? In one case, someone who was caught one night was caught again the following night, despite promising not to do it again. ? Colin ? --- On Wed, 25/2/09, Paul Mather wrote: From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 2:12 PM On 25 Feb 2009, at 7:35 AM, M Holmes wrote: > I'm sure Alan feels he has his professional grievances. I'm sorry to > see that he doesn't view it as below his dignity to air them in a > magazine. His comment that he knows better than Dave what the fans want > to hear perhaps have some pertinence to us, but in the end Dave is the > boss and we all know we have to do shit the boss tells us even when > we're certain we're in the right. The rest of the comment just looks > like spite, particularly, as someone else pointed out, the circumstances > in which Alan came to the band. > > Right now he sounds worryingly like Turner did many years ago: someone > who's out of the band in fact, but mentally just can't seem to get to > grips with that. Maybe I am in an minority, but I actually found Alan's interview to be rather informative and refreshing. I certainly learned a lot! I didn't see it so much as you say above, but more along the lines of "now I'm out, I feel free to tell my side of the story instead of having to toe the party line." As with all he said/she said arguments, the real truth lies somewhere between, but I, for one, am at least glad to have both sides stated of various puzzling episodes of Hawkwind history, such as why Alan left the band on various occasions. (It's nice to hear that at least it wasn't all about money, which is the usual tune we hear sung.) Maybe it is more "dignified" not to tell your side of the story, but it is probably hard to keep quiet when you believe that outright lies are being told about you. Is it better for these things to leak out through murky third-party channels? I can appreciate that Alan might not want to let stand unchallenged statements like the taping/trading ban was all down to him, or that he had blown off Hawkfest and "gone fishing" instead. Leaving that unchallenged, if it is true, can damage your professional reputation. One thing that reassured me about the interview is that I discovered I am not the only one appalled by the modern method of Hawkwind recording. I was absolutely horrified when I read in one of the Hawkwind book bios that everything is methodically sequenced, even the drums---the drums, for God's sake! It just ain't right, I tells ya! :-) I agree with you that the stench of sour grapes hangs heavy over that interview. But, I, for one, am glad that Alan told his side of things. How true it is, I will probably never know. But, it does add to the general body of evidence that states that Hawkwind is very dysfunctional. I don't know if trying to whitewash that fact away will help matters any. Perhaps being aware of how screwed up and badly organised the band is will make us appreciate all the more what time we have with them together with Brock at the helm putting out new material, for surely a ship as leaky as this can't sail on too much longer... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 13:08:32 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:08:32 GMT Subject: Interview link with Knights of Space recall comments posted on bands website In-Reply-To: Lost Johnny's message of Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 25 13:09:52 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:09:52 GMT Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 14:39:08 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:39:08 +0000 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: Err, thanks for all of that, I was just pointing out it was Carol's book rather than mine :) Re the RCA thing (rather than fired I think contracted not renewed, which is a bit different)... I'd have to check but I think most of the albums you've noted came after the RCA deal had ended, but it's certainly true that recollections of most members of the day seem to be that a glut of stuff released away from the principal contract was at least partly responsible for the deal not being renewed... I assume this is therefore early flicknife, Weird Tapes etc... but you'd have to also assume that generally RCA didn't want to renew as the volumes of stuff outside the contract was, at the time, real cottage industry turnover surely and I can't see in hindsight it could have been the sole reason for non-renewal. Ian ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:35:33 PM Subject: Re: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Ian ,Carol indeed in her book has a few pages devoted to the Voiceprint situation with members and Douglass Smith complaining about Dave B . signing for the releases himself only and comments from people on the bad sound quality of the releases . I'm looking at it right now .She also has a few pages on Hawkwind being called into the office and fired from the RCA label,their last major. RCA tells them it is because of all the bad sounding audience tapes out there being sold as legitimate recordings alongside the RCA releases . In other words the Yuri Gargarian ,Text of Festival, Space Ritual 2 and the Acid Daze and all their various reincarnations . Its still happening today . Only now to Atomhenge with Reading ,Minneapolis ,and still all the various versions of Text of ,Acid Daze,Space Ritual2 ,etc. Matter of fact ,another remastered new version of Text Of Festival is now on all the websites. Go to cduniverse.com .for example .Guess the first two featured cd titles on page 1. Quark reissue,25 years on? NO ! Its Reading 1992 and a Brand new remastered Text of Festival . The Atomhenge releases are not highlighted at all and are actually on sale already. A lot of fans who may already have some of the the Griffin or EBS issues of the Atomhenges in the USA are buying the Reading ,Minneapolis and Knights of Space instead because they are something they don't have at all. And because they are in legitimate big box stores ,they assume they are official great sound quality releases .After spending almost $100 for those 3 in this economy ,when they get those 3 in the post , think their happy? From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 14:45:22 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:45:22 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: Not sure if they read BOC-L, though they definitely still read the yahoo list but you're right, knowing that there's a possibility of them reading ought to require people to show a little restrain and respect. It's their hard work and dedication that means there's still a Hawkwind to discuss here and I think that gets overlooked at times. That doesn't preclude discussion of the various merits or de-merits (is that a word?) of specific releases but ought to temper some of the stronger commentary really. On the other hand, there is a good argument (I've tried to explain this here or on yahoo a few times without much success) that artists are best off not getting involved in their own fandom because that way can only really lie disappointment because the nature of fans is that they bitch and moan (sometimes seriously, sometimes in jest) about the thing they most love - but if your involvement with fandom is not from that perspective it's easy to misinterpret what goes on. Ian ________________________________ From: M Holmes fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Is this kind of pessimism actually achieving anything except depressing us and potentially upsetting Kris and Dave if they're reading it? . From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 15:08:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:08:31 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <964240.80017.qm@web26904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/25/09, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > Not sure if they read BOC-L, though they definitely still read the yahoo > list but you're right, knowing that there's a possibility of them reading > ought to require people to show a little restrain and respect. Keith is on here something else for us to consider, along with that very notion that we are so lucky there is any Hawkwind, is that one day there will only be ONE camp (er, ya know), and I sure don't want to look like a (insert very nasty word, maybe something like Arthur Brown from SOIL) So here's hoping the band(s) can suck in their personal blah, and that we are not in danger of ever (never) getting a response from Kris, or have our official bootlegs now jeopardised From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 25 15:32:10 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:32:10 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <270450.49395.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 25 Feb 2009, at 12:04 PM, Colin Allen wrote: > Paul, > > That is a nicely nuanced commentary. Just to clarify one point, it > was not Alan who instigated the taping/trading ban. I was asked to > make the announcement about the ban by Kris, who was very angry > about the taping. I might have been unclear in my original message regarding the taping/ trading ban. I don't know whether Alan was behind it, just that he had been *portrayed* as the instigator. That is why I found his denial in that interview interesting. It sort of came out of the blue, so to speak. Not to muddy the waters, but here is a message you sent to Neo-Quark, re: Bedouin, on 14th September 2002, about two or so months before Hawkwind announced their ban: ===== Hi all, I think that all of us here are interested in the survival and success of Hawkind and the related bands. It has come to my notice that Alan Davey is very unhappy with the recording and trading of Bedouin concerts. I would like to think that we would respect his views and cease audience recording and trading of Bedouin gigs. I am not trying to be heavy but I feel that we should respect the views of someone like Alan. Colin ===== How this unhappiness came to your notice you don't say, but obviously it means there is some pre-existing publicity for the notion that Alan is anti-taping/trading. That's why I was surprised to read in that interview that, according to him, the Hawkwind ban didn't stem from him. > The ban came about because, on the 2002 tour, there had been a > couple of instances where people were found recording shows. In one > case, someone who was caught one night was caught again the > following night, despite promising not to do it again. I remember at the time you passing on the ban message (and being the unfortunate messenger who subsequently got shot at), and clearly saying it was official and from Dave and Kris. I do also have a recollection that, although we never seemed to get a straight answer as to why the ban was in effect, that a large part of the blame came subsequently to rest on Alan's (alleged) anti-taping/trading views. Certainly, this is how the authorised history came to be written, if this news announcement (reproduced from the Hawkwind Museum) is anything to go by: ===== 22.12.07 - More photos and a very special Christmas message In case you missed it on the main index page (picture details at the bottom) - Hawkwind are happy to let you know, (and we are sure that some of you will already have noticed :-), that since the departure of Alan Davey, we have been able to dispense with the computer, which was really Alan's domain and only used on his numbers????. and we will also be able to lift the ban on trading! Since AD?s trading embargo has been lifted, we are going to endeavour to release live cds or downloads of each new show, not each gig, but hopefully every major set-list change. Aiming for one show from each major set of dates, so that all of you who are unable to attend the actual shows will not miss out. The first of these releases will be of the Dec 2007 Astoria show which we will make available as soon as possible. We have to be realistic and accept that many venues will not allow taping; we cannot overrule the individual venues. Also trading does not mean bootlegging???but we are sure that you are all aware of the lines not to be crossed, just spread the word and keep the faith?.. [[...]] ===== Describing the Hawkwind ban as "AD?s trading embargo" appears to lay the blame for it firmly at Alan's door. That is completely at odds with what Alan says in that recent interview. It's not my wish to rehash the unfortunate episode of the taping/ trading ban, because that was a very unpleasant affair at the time. I am glad, as Hawkwind fans, it is behind us. I was just pointing out that the news coming out of the "Hawkwind family," be it from the "official" Hawkwind (i.e., Brock) or ex-members (i.e., Turner, Davey, etc.) is extremely contradictory and confusing. (Do I win the prize for Understatement of the Year, 2009?) I don't know about you, but as for me, I take it all with a massive lorry load of salt. Just when you think you've got something straight, along comes another Hawkwind source that completely undermines it, basically leaving you disbelieving it all in the end, and not knowing what to believe. It wasn't my intention to take sides or be "nuanced." I just found Alan's interview interesting because it contradicted a lot of the prevailing orthodoxy (including what I thought was his own). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 15:42:07 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:42:07 +0000 Subject: Text of Festival Message-ID: Just looking on HMV and see that Text is to be reissued as a 2 LP set on 2nd March. The CD is still missing one track (I assume the LP will have the original track listing) - wonder if they will issue the CD as a 2CD set in it's entirity just to get us to buy it again? Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 15:54:31 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:54:31 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <419D98A7-FA39-4A67-9EA4-56D809304251@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Hi Paul, "Nuanced" was supposed to be a positive comment as your post was one of the most thoughtful that I have read on this subject. The September 2002 request concerning Alan and Bedouin taping came about as a result of a specific incident.? Looking back on it after some six and a half years and with a much deeper knowledge of the people involved, I have my own view of the sequence of events, and the role of people in them, that led up to my request made on Alan's behalf. I do agree with you about the level of contradiction and confusion; I have learned to take much of what is said with a pinch of salt.? I am sure that I played my own part in sowing some of that confusion during the time that I worked with HW; the owner of a record label with whom I once negotiated, who is now a friend, described me during my time with them as being an example of Sir Edward Wotton's definition of an ambassador: "Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum reipublicae causa".? If I did help to sow part of that confusion, I apologise for it. Colin --- On Wed, 25/2/09, Paul Mather wrote: From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 8:32 PM On 25 Feb 2009, at 12:04 PM, Colin Allen wrote: > Paul, > > That is a nicely nuanced commentary. Just to clarify one point, it was not Alan who instigated the taping/trading ban. I was asked to make the announcement about the ban by Kris, who was very angry about the taping. I might have been unclear in my original message regarding the taping/trading ban. I don't know whether Alan was behind it, just that he had been *portrayed* as the instigator. That is why I found his denial in that interview interesting. It sort of came out of the blue, so to speak. Not to muddy the waters, but here is a message you sent to Neo-Quark, re: Bedouin, on 14th September 2002, about two or so months before Hawkwind announced their ban: ===== Hi all, I think that all of us here are interested in the survival and success of Hawkind and the related bands. It has come to my notice that Alan Davey is very unhappy with the recording and trading of Bedouin concerts. I would like to think that we would respect his views and cease audience recording and trading of Bedouin gigs. I am not trying to be heavy but I feel that we should respect the views of someone like Alan. Colin ===== How this unhappiness came to your notice you don't say, but obviously it means there is some pre-existing publicity for the notion that Alan is anti-taping/trading. That's why I was surprised to read in that interview that, according to him, the Hawkwind ban didn't stem from him. > The ban came about because, on the 2002 tour, there had been a couple of instances where people were found recording shows. In one case, someone who was caught one night was caught again the following night, despite promising not to do it again. I remember at the time you passing on the ban message (and being the unfortunate messenger who subsequently got shot at), and clearly saying it was official and from Dave and Kris. I do also have a recollection that, although we never seemed to get a straight answer as to why the ban was in effect, that a large part of the blame came subsequently to rest on Alan's (alleged) anti-taping/trading views. Certainly, this is how the authorised history came to be written, if this news announcement (reproduced from the Hawkwind Museum) is anything to go by: ===== 22.12.07 - More photos and a very special Christmas message In case you missed it on the main index page (picture details at the bottom) - Hawkwind are happy to let you know, (and we are sure that some of you will already have noticed :-), that since the departure of Alan Davey, we have been able to dispense with the computer, which was really Alan's domain and only used on his numbers????. and we will also be able to lift the ban on trading! Since AD?s trading embargo has been lifted, we are going to endeavour to release live cds or downloads of each new show, not each gig, but hopefully every major set-list change. Aiming for one show from each major set of dates, so that all of you who are unable to attend the actual shows will not miss out. The first of these releases will be of the Dec 2007 Astoria show which we will make available as soon as possible. We have to be realistic and accept that many venues will not allow taping; we cannot overrule the individual venues. Also trading does not mean bootlegging???but we are sure that you are all aware of the lines not to be crossed, just spread the word and keep the faith?.. [[...]] ===== Describing the Hawkwind ban as "AD?s trading embargo" appears to lay the blame for it firmly at Alan's door. That is completely at odds with what Alan says in that recent interview. It's not my wish to rehash the unfortunate episode of the taping/trading ban, because that was a very unpleasant affair at the time. I am glad, as Hawkwind fans, it is behind us. I was just pointing out that the news coming out of the "Hawkwind family," be it from the "official" Hawkwind (i.e., Brock) or ex-members (i.e., Turner, Davey, etc.) is extremely contradictory and confusing. (Do I win the prize for Understatement of the Year, 2009?) I don't know about you, but as for me, I take it all with a massive lorry load of salt. Just when you think you've got something straight, along comes another Hawkwind source that completely undermines it, basically leaving you disbelieving it all in the end, and not knowing what to believe. It wasn't my intention to take sides or be "nuanced." I just found Alan's interview interesting because it contradicted a lot of the prevailing orthodoxy (including what I thought was his own). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Feb 25 16:42:47 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:42:47 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <964240.80017.qm@web26904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ian, I find your posting to be right on, well thought out. Having worked with Hawkwind I know what you mean. Some days I'd think Dave gets tired of people's expectations of their image of Dave Brock. It must get trying at times, and be a real joy at others. My hand would probably get tired from signing so many people's collections. I tend to think of the vibes within the hawkwind scene to be that of a very large and dysfunctional family as opposed to encampments, but that's a perspective taken from later than your history with the band, as a fan, or otherwise. About us having the privilege of Hawkwind being such a long term part of our lives, you're absolutely right. Although we might like a copy of a show we were at, it's a matter of collecting for us, and making a living to the musicians. We should respect the wishes of band members (past and present), concerning their music and their personal lives. I can understand sharing anecdotes, or criticizing a performance, but to disrespect the band is not right. I hope they do see our postings, since there is a lot of strong feedback in the forums to keep the lines of communication clear between the band and fans. Best wishes, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:45 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show Not sure if they read BOC-L, though they definitely still read the yahoo list but you're right, knowing that there's a possibility of them reading ought to require people to show a little restrain and respect. It's their hard work and dedication that means there's still a Hawkwind to discuss here and I think that gets overlooked at times. That doesn't preclude discussion of the various merits or de-merits (is that a word?) of specific releases but ought to temper some of the stronger commentary really. On the other hand, there is a good argument (I've tried to explain this here or on yahoo a few times without much success) that artists are best off not getting involved in their own fandom because that way can only really lie disappointment because the nature of fans is that they bitch and moan (sometimes seriously, sometimes in jest) about the thing they most love - but if your involvement with fandom is not from that perspective it's easy to misinterpret what goes on. Ian ________________________________ From: M Holmes fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Is this kind of pessimism actually achieving anything except depressing us and potentially upsetting Kris and Dave if they're reading it? . From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 25 13:43:39 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:43:39 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <75FE9E16-51DA-4BAF-838E-9DF23FF4007A@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 25 Feb 2009, at 09:12, Paul Mather wrote: > Maybe I am in an minority, but I actually found Alan's interview to > be rather informative and refreshing. I certainly learned a lot! If you are in the minority, then at least you are not alone in it. :) > Maybe it is more "dignified" not to tell your side of the story, but Speaking only for myself, as a fan, I have an interest in knowing what's going on with the band -- and I strongly suspect that hearing only the view from within the current band (itself not always dignified ;) is not going to provide the full story for me. Historically, there has been a lot of bitterness evidenced both from without _and_ from _within_ the Hawkwind camp, and though we're always going to have to read between the lines if trying to divine "what's really going on" (or "what really went on"), at least hearing from all sides affords us a better chance at that opportunity. > One thing that reassured me about the interview is that I > discovered I am not the only one appalled by the modern method of > Hawkwind recording. I was absolutely horrified when I read in one > of the Hawkwind book bios that everything is methodically > sequenced, even the drums---the drums, for God's sake! It just > ain't right, I tells ya! :-) This is a truly horrific thing to have learned (or, perhaps, to have had confirmed). Richard is a very fine drummer live, IMO, so why on earth is he not playing real drums in the studio? I realize that this question may entail a very long answer ;) but: "What drugs are they on?" ;) > But, it does add to the general body of evidence that states that > Hawkwind is very dysfunctional. As if more were needed! ;) > I don't know if trying to whitewash that fact away will help > matters any. Perhaps being aware of how screwed up and badly > organised the band is will make us appreciate all the more what > time we have with them together with Brock at the helm putting out > new material, for surely a ship as leaky as this can't sail on too > much longer... I have the feeling it will sail on for exactly as long as Dave wants it to sail, regardless of anything else. If everyone but Dave quit, and he still wanted to keep Hawkwind going, I have no doubt he could still recruit new members from somewhere. Which actually doesn't bother me too much -- I've always had the feeling that Hawkwind should be a _concept_ that is given shape by whichever avatars happen to be present. I feel more worried about the state of the _concept_, than its membership, though, given that it's sunk to programmed drums on the albums. :/ I have to agree with Alan that that's just not right! (Assuming, of course, that this isn't a vicious bit of slander .... :)) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Feb 25 20:18:01 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:18:01 -0600 Subject: General state of discord on the list In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902250744k2d627996we7d6a45201752d44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ahum...top post intended clarifications for my spirit if nothing else I meant: I never read reviews to tell me if I am not going to buy something.... and regarding those reviews, I do not mean people here, like say, scott also, of course I have read reviews, just never in correlation with a pre-buy, however as soon as I read Mike Reed's review of the Wembley cd, I was tripping over my fingers buying it of course the CD insert alone will insure I'm satisfied also, I have indeed bought a few official releases on CD since I returned I am also, willing to get Dave his standard cut if anybody is willing to fix Gary up with a CDR or something and it's KOS or something another thing: I cringe and cringe and cringe that a band I believe has come under extraterrestrial observation having internal problems akin to our own behavior with like a family member or something, catching the fans up in it If you were in Dallas...it's frying here....I wish I could evacuate now, some of you might love it, today if you were shirtless it was still too hot......ughhh It better be a cyclic thing, otherwise ...... On 2/25/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 2/25/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > >> Thats why most fans need >> honest reviews so we buy only the best. > > > The only review I have ever read, because I consider opinions like > orifices, was the other day just to confirm what I already knew.....that > Wembley 73 is not an exact Yuri replica.....the review was NOT honest, but I > know the guy that reviewed it and though he worded himself in a cloudy > manner, I got what he was saying > I never believe a thing anybody says really, and I don't care either > Also, note what I am spending my money on and full well knowing what I am > spending my money on > Chaos as usual > NEXT! > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 09:51:18 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:51:18 +0000 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <3318313474.50870454@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: The KOS version of Paradox is really symphonic with a piano thing in the beginning....... drool drool. I liked it too. C- ________________________________ From: Steve Swann To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 15:44:35 Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix So my copy of KOS arrived, and instead of settling the debate one way or the other, it just raised more questions. For one thing, what audio format is it recorded in? My receiver seemed to want to play it in DTS mode, but I don't see any indication in the packaging or the (practically non-existent) menus that the DVD has a DTS audio track. Even curiouser... the DD indicator light is *also* lit. I think I may have to throw this in my computer to actually get any answers about the nature of the audio track(s).... As for how it sounds... It sounds like a professionally recorded DVD that was mixed by someone who thinks that Hawkwind is mostly about synths. I could hear Dave's guitar but it mostly sounded soft/muted. Occasionally the theremin came blazing through but sometimes it was totally inaudible even when I could clearly see TB playing it. Now, I'm admittedly totally biased. My instructions to the audio engineer would have been: MAKE BROCKS GUITAR STOMP ALL OVER EVERYTHING LIKE A 900 FOOT STEEL ROBOT The person who mixed KOS clearly doesn't share my bias. But that doesn't mean that it sucks - it's just mixed to a different taste. And for what it's worth, I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I thought that Paradox sounded awesome. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Monday, Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET No its not Nik Turner. That kind of thinking is what is the problem. Say anything against the band or Nik Turner or Alan Davey ,even if the one of them makes a mistake and its Nik Turner must be causing trouble. Or maybe its Alan Davey doing it undercover. Or its Dave Brocks undercover. It could never be a disappointed fan of them all could it ? Or maybe its the band just messed up and issued a crummy sound quality recording again. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 07:30:19 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:30:19 +0000 Subject: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD Message-ID: well, its too late to cancel. Plus i buy everything thats of well, its too late to cancel. Plus i buy everything thats officially released so,,,,,, its "needed" either way. I used to have the soundboard and am in need of that as it was an excellent show. PS: to add to the madness, I actually loved Knights Of Space. I also think its a raw mix but not as bad as some here say (like Lost Johnny!)- Christian ________________________________ From: Lost Johnny To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 1:42:17 Subject: Re: Reading 92 SBD vs Official AUD If you ordered the official Voiceprint one you will be sorry. The pirate bay copy is probably better . If you still can ,I would cancel that Reading 1992 order or you'll be sorry. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 07:31:29 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:31:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: PRODIGY Message-ID: if judging by a recent live DVD i saw they are totally over the if judging by a recent live DVD i saw they are totally over the top - like punk used to be before my concert going years. ________________________________ From: "Stewartbas at AOL.COM" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Saturday, 21 February, 2009 23:33:48 Subject: OFF: PRODIGY Anyone here seen Prodigy? Just got tix for the NYC show..opinions requested, Thanks. Bill **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Feb 25 13:26:18 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:26:18 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <200902251809.n1PI9qcg005962@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: He's really great. I have the "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" CD from way back, and its beautiful. The connection to New Model Army -> Hawkwind is there tangency like. Ghostly and dreamy violin/synth music- like Simon House "Yassassim" is really nice too. "Omedlor Rides Again" etc. C ________________________________ From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009 19:09:52 Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show Paul Mather writes: > Also, perhaps tangentially Hawkwind-related, there's always Ed Alleyne- > Johnson with his violin. Sometimes I fantasise about him joining Hawkwind... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 25 22:33:48 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:33:48 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <295592.14334.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 25 Feb 2009, at 3:54 PM, Colin Allen wrote: > "Nuanced" was supposed to be a positive comment as your post was one > of the most thoughtful that I have read on this subject. My apologies, Colin; I misinterpreted that. It just goes to show how easy it is to get the wrong end of the stick with this e-mail gubbins. Thanks for the illumination on that and other things. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 26 06:10:25 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:10:25 GMT Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Amphetamine Embalmer's message of Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Feb 26 07:31:00 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:31:00 -0600 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <200902251458.n1PEwsws016858@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: No Mike I thought the level of cowbell was just fine. I thought they should have overdubbed in somed hurdy gurdy, but maybe I've been listening to too much Rennaisance Fair music. ;-) Rich M Holmes wrote: > David Bottomley writes: > > >> For what it's worth, I completely agree with you, Steve. The sound quality >> is perfectly fine >> > > Doesn't it need more cowbell? > > FoFP > > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Feb 26 08:56:19 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:56:19 -0600 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <115991.25685.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, he's a great violinist. Of course there is a stronger New Model Army connection to Hawkwind, since their drummer Rob Heaton played on the Night of the Hawks session. Sadly Rob passed away a few years back as a result of pancreatic cancer. If you ever get the chance listen to 'Green and Grey' from the Thunder and consolation album. I believe Rob wrote the music and played every instrument on that track, and it is simply stunning. 'Thunder and Consolation' is also the album where Ed Alleyne Johnson played considerably throughout. A couple of Eds other solo LPs are not so great, there was one he did with his wife that...well best leave it there. Rich Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > He's really great. I have the "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" CD from way back, and its beautiful. The connection to New Model Army -> Hawkwind is there tangency like. Ghostly and dreamy violin/synth music- like Simon House "Yassassim" is really nice too. "Omedlor Rides Again" etc. > > C > > > > > ________________________________ > From: M Holmes > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009 19:09:52 > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show > > Paul Mather writes: > > >> Also, perhaps tangentially Hawkwind-related, there's always Ed Alleyne- >> Johnson with his violin. >> > > Sometimes I fantasise about him joining Hawkwind... > > FoFP > > > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 26 09:50:33 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:50:33 -0800 Subject: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: Well, I finished watchin KOS last night. I tried another player with a more sophisticated user interface which informed me that the audio track is DD 2.0 (and there is no linear PCM track, which is slightly unusual). Dunno why my receiver keeps trying to play it as DTS. As for the content, I really liked the performance (it's great to have Tim Blake playing with them) and it seemed like it would have been a great show to have been at. I especially liked the renditions of Paradox and Alien I Am. As for the sound - I think the guitar was way too low in the mix. I think the bass sounded to soft (sort of "thumpy" sounding if you know what I mean). The electtic piano and the other synths were mixed way too high and stepping all over the guitar and bass, which is basically the opposite of the way I would prefer to have it. Despite the problems, I'm still glad I own it. It's probably not ever going to be one of my favorite HW live recordings, just because of the problems with the relative balance of the various instruments in the mix. Afterwards I listened to Space Ritual just to see what I would think of the direct comparison, and I found that pummelling, all-out sonic assault is still my favorite style of Hawkwind sound. :) No real surprise there... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Amphetamine Embalmer Date: Wednesday, Feb 25, 2009 9:14 pm Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET The KOS version of Paradox is really symphonic with a piano thing in the beginning....... drool drool. I liked it too. C- ________________________________ From: Steve Swann To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 15:44:35 Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix So my copy of KOS arrived, and instead of settling the debate one way or the other, it just raised more questions. For one thing, what audio format is it recorded in? My receiver seemed to want to play it in DTS mode, but I don't see any indication in the packaging or the (practically non-existent) menus that the DVD has a DTS audio track. Even curiouser... the DD indicator light is *also* lit. I think I may have to throw this in my computer to actually get any answers about the nature of the audio track(s).... As for how it sounds... It sounds like a professionally recorded DVD that was mixed by someone who thinks that Hawkwind is mostly about synths. I could hear Dave's guitar but it mostly sounded soft/muted. Occasionally the theremin came blazing through but sometimes it was totally inaudible even when I could clearly see TB playing it. Now, I'm admittedly totally biased. My instructions to the audio engineer would have been: MAKE BROCKS GUITAR STOMP ALL OVER EVERYTHING LIKE A 900 FOOT STEEL ROBOT The person who mixed KOS clearly doesn't share my bias. But that doesn't mean that it sucks - it's just mixed to a different taste. And for what it's worth, I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I thought that Paradox sounded awesome. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lost Johnny Date: Monday, Feb 23, 2009 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET No its not Nik Turner. That kind of thinking is what is the problem. Say anything against the band or Nik Turner or Alan Davey ,even if the one of them makes a mistake and its Nik Turner must be causing trouble. Or maybe its Alan Davey doing it undercover. Or its Dave Brocks undercover. It could never be a disappointed fan of them all could it ? Or maybe its the band just messed up and issued a crummy sound quality recording again. From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Feb 26 11:09:40 2009 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:40 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <41A3FFC4-987F-47FD-8631-2122FF7E1BD8@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > I have the feeling it will sail on for exactly as long as Dave wants > it to sail, regardless of anything else. If everyone but Dave quit, > and he still wanted to keep Hawkwind going, I have no doubt he could > still recruit new members from somewhere. Me, me, me. (Hand in the air.) (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 26 14:58:05 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:58:05 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <49A6BEC4.5030504@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: Good Luck, John, you never know what can happen in life. When we first met Richard in '89 while we were hanging out at The Palace Richard told us about sneaking into a Hawkwind show and getting throne out, and now look where he is. Keep that hand raised high, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John McIntyre Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > I have the feeling it will sail on for exactly as long as Dave wants > it to sail, regardless of anything else. If everyone but Dave quit, > and he still wanted to keep Hawkwind going, I have no doubt he could > still recruit new members from somewhere. Me, me, me. (Hand in the air.) (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 26 15:08:35 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:08:35 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show Message-ID: On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > ( abrasive rip) Richard told us about > sneaking into a Hawkwind show and getting throne out, and now look where he > is. > Keep that hand raised high, > Mary Mary a throne is a place where Dave Brock sits, your spellchecker failed to put a dubbya From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 26 16:08:27 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:08:27 -0500 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902261208n41f5796eq58fe57e0465a2fcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thathit, spellchecker's fired. Do I get a grade on content, too? Thanks Mike, that passed by my editing, too, sorry friends. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > ( abrasive rip) Richard told us about > sneaking into a Hawkwind show and getting throne out, and now look where he > is. > Keep that hand raised high, > Mary Mary a throne is a place where Dave Brock sits, your spellchecker failed to put a dubbya From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 26 16:08:27 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:08:27 -0500 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902261208n41f5796eq58fe57e0465a2fcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Abrasive RIP?" Ha? Mike, You lost me there. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > ( abrasive rip) Richard told us about > sneaking into a Hawkwind show and getting throne out, and now look where he > is. > Keep that hand raised high, > Mary Mary a throne is a place where Dave Brock sits, your spellchecker failed to put a dubbya From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 26 16:18:31 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:18:31 -0500 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902261208n41f5796eq58fe57e0465a2fcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I get it, that was a grammar check, my fault, not the computer. Spellchecker's back on but I won't use the grammar check, it's too much of a bother, and usually I don't make mistakes with homonyms. As I told you in real time, sometimes my brain and hands aren't on the same wavelength. I'll be so glad when I can do emails by voice. Writing 'em down does give me a chance to be more organized with my thoughts. Writing is something I can do, but it's a chore. I'm through. Later, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > ( abrasive rip) Richard told us about > sneaking into a Hawkwind show and getting throne out, and now look where he > is. > Keep that hand raised high, > Mary Mary a throne is a place where Dave Brock sits, your spellchecker failed to put a dubbya From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Feb 26 16:59:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:59:31 -0600 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > "Abrasive RIP?" Ha? Mike, You lost me there. That's my way of expressing a general disgust of the content of a post I am responding to without flaming NO!!! it's just me being me and renaming the snip one more time you get a break on everything, even the top-posting you lucky grrrll....... where's Jarrett?? where's Montfort??? can anybody i mean can ANYBODY help get the Inner City Hawks video synchonized properly?? I want it..... From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Feb 26 13:01:23 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:01:23 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <49A69F83.2020803@comcast.net> Message-ID: C I meant also to be referring to the Rob Heaton connection. C Yep, he's a great violinist. Of course there is a stronger New Model Army connection to Hawkwind, since their drummer Rob Heaton played on the Night of the Hawks session. Sadly Rob passed away a few years back as a result of pancreatic cancer. If you ever get the chance listen to 'Green and Grey' from the Thunder and consolation album. I believe Rob wrote the music and played every instrument on that track, and it is simply stunning. 'Thunder and Consolation' is also the album where Ed Alleyne Johnson played considerably throughout. A couple of Eds other solo LPs are not so great, there was one he did with his wife that...well best leave it there. Rich Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > He's really great. I have the "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" CD from way back, and its beautiful. The connection to New Model Army -> Hawkwind is there tangency like. Ghostly and dreamy violin/synth music- like Simon House "Yassassim" is really nice too. "Omedlor Rides Again" etc. > > C > > > > > ________________________________ > From: M Holmes > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009 19:09:52 > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show > > Paul Mather writes: > > >> Also, perhaps tangentially Hawkwind-related, there's always Ed Alleyne- Johnson with his violin. > > Sometimes I fantasise about him joining Hawkwind... > > FoFP > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Feb 26 18:49:22 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:49:22 -0500 Subject: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902261359w176eae2eo17db7467a7e43c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike, good luck getting the ICU material you're looking for. Thanks for the allowances today I'm running on half a brain I think. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (OFF)Re: HW 40th Anniversay Show On 2/26/09, mary wrote: > > "Abrasive RIP?" Ha? Mike, You lost me there. That's my way of expressing a general disgust of the content of a post I am responding to without flaming NO!!! it's just me being me and renaming the snip one more time you get a break on everything, even the top-posting you lucky grrrll....... where's Jarrett?? where's Montfort??? can anybody i mean can ANYBODY help get the Inner City Hawks video synchonized properly?? I want it..... From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Feb 26 20:09:46 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:09:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mike Burro, The Amboys & Teardrop Conception 9/28 Message-ID: Mike Burro & friends ( also The Amboys & Teardrop Conception ) Saturday, February 28th 9PM Hamilton Lanes 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ 08619 ( 609 ) 585-2400 www.myspace.com/hamiltonlanes Just released in The UK by Blueriff records, The One Eyed Bishops' 'School of Rock-n-Roll' is now available for immediate download at: http://store.payloadz.com/str-asp-i.231148-n.THE_ONE_EYED_BISHOPS_At_the_school_of_rock_n_roll_Music_Miscellaneous-end-detail.html The 2003 recorded One Eyed Bishops studio CD, 'The School of Rock-n-Roll', has just been released on Blueriff records UK, and is available exclusively through their website at: www.blueriff.webs.com/ The CD was recorded and engineered by Terry Clemson of The TT's ( formerly of The Downliners Sect ), and includes performances and spoken word material by Don Craine & Keith Grant ( Downliners Sect ),Mick Farren (Deviants ), Phil Smith ( Headsmith, Debbie Giles band ), skiffle legend Chas Mcdevitt, Bill Kingston ( Wild Angels ) Terry Clemson and more. More information on the Blueriff records website , and Mike Burro' s upcoming shows in the press article below: http://www.prlog.org/10178771.html booking email: sloterdijk at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 27 11:33:57 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:33:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 07:14:51PM -0500, Lost Johnny typed out: > Finally Mike ! I knew if you heard Jim and Chris and Brian and Fred you > would remember eventually . I kind of lost touch with you and others over > the years as with Chris too .And Brian with his Cleopatra was really too > busy too. Jim C. and Fred are also on Ebay, Jim C.with his Ozwind store. > Both have been selling a lot of there collection over the last year or so > . And I believe Larry Boyd and his friend Doug passed away too . Please tell me that's Doug Walker whom I knew about and not Doug Pearson... Yours, Jon (back in the timewarp, where indeed it seems safest) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 11:43:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:43:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: <20090227163357.GJ31870@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 2/27/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > Please tell me that's Doug Walker whom I knew about and not Doug > Pearson... Yours, > Jon (back in the timewarp, where indeed it seems > safest) Pearson's fine, he turns up on the Yahoo list I hear too good for us apparently not insulting him From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 15:41:53 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:41:53 -0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: <20090227163357.GJ31870@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <17d80c610902270843s365f8375rf70144b07231c47d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lost Johnny is now a Blessed One REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lost Johnny" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:43 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Reissues > On 2/27/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >> Please tell me that's Doug Walker whom I knew about and not Doug >> Pearson... Yours, >> Jon (back in the timewarp, where indeed it seems >> safest) > > > Pearson's fine, he turns up on the Yahoo list I hear > too good for us apparently > not insulting him > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 15:55:56 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:55:56 -0600 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/27/09, trev wrote: > > Lost Johnny is now a Blessed One which one of us are you talking about??? 'I like a laugh, I like a joke, it's not my fault if my sense of humor's cloaked"..... I wonder if they know what I get done all the while...... From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 27 17:49:15 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:49:15 EST Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: In a message dated 27/02/2009 16:35:16 GMT Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: Please tell me that's Doug Walker Does Mike (FOFP) have a Doug? Steve. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 19:26:49 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:26:49 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/27/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 27/02/2009 16:35:16 GMT Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: Please tell me that's Doug Walker Does Mike (FOFP) have a Doug? Steve. "Friend Of Fernando Pooch" walking a Doug??? Trev I didn't borrow Lawrence's handle as a trap, I simply took over his mind harmlessly and painlessly for a moment to answer Jon, as I was sick of my own name but I'm glad it was you who revealed it I felt so strange L-ingMAO walking to the store, no one smiles where I come from I don't hear you laughing........ From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 27 20:02:37 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:02:37 EST Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: In a message dated 28/02/2009 00:27:45 GMT Standard Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: "Friend Of Fernando Pooch" walking a Doug??? Scottish people (people from Scotland) pronounce dog "dug". You take dogs for walks. Dog walker to a Scot would be "dug walker" Sorry. Not the same when you have to explain it. Steve. Did you hear the one about the 2 parrots sat on a perch? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 21:31:36 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:31:36 -0600 Subject: HW: Reissues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/27/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > Sorry. > Not the same when you have to explain it. > Steve. > > Did you hear the one about the 2 parrots sat on a perch? I knew you were over my head but I was making an effort........ It is funny still...... I travel forth wobbly again about the parrots aware I might become entrapped at something..... From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 27 22:26:31 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:26:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues Message-ID: Jonathan ,It is indeed Doug Walker that passed away,NOT Doug Pearson. Sorry to worry you about that. From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 27 22:42:36 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:42:36 -0500 Subject: lost johnny Message-ID: Trev, have plans on any new music in the future ? From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Fri Feb 27 23:02:16 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:02:16 -0500 Subject: Interview link with Knights of Space recall comments posted on bands website Message-ID: Whats OCD ? From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 23:32:06 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:32:06 -0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: <20090227163357.GJ31870@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <17d80c610902270843s365f8375rf70144b07231c47d@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610902271255g37f6ad2at19d04e8cac2bcf87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm talkin about bustappepper -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:55 PM To: Subject: Re: lost johnny > On 2/27/09, trev wrote: >> >> Lost Johnny is now a Blessed One > > > which one of us are you talking about??? > 'I like a laugh, I like a joke, it's not my fault if my sense of humor's > cloaked"..... > > I wonder if they know what I get done all the while...... > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 23:35:00 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:35:00 -0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: desires, yes, but plans must wait until opportunities arise, and with the current state of crap musicians gaining big public profiles because they were in this or that band, not much hope...a bit like the current world crisis... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hja ha -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lost Johnny" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:42 AM To: Subject: Re: lost johnny > Trev, have plans on any new music in the future ? > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 23:54:48 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:54:48 -0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: my solution to the current world crisis can be summed up in an edict which was painted in big letters on the living room wall of t rex's steve tooks flat when i was living with him WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD...THERE WILL BE NO REMISSION ..and i hope that obama knows this or were all doomed -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:35 AM To: Subject: Re: lost johnny > desires, yes, but plans must wait until opportunities arise, and with the > current state of crap musicians gaining big public profiles because they > were in this or that band, not much hope...a bit like the current world > crisis... > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hja ha > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lost Johnny" > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:42 AM > To: > Subject: Re: lost johnny > >> Trev, have plans on any new music in the future ? >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Feb 28 00:06:40 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:06:40 -0600 Subject: Interview link with Knights of Space recall comments posted on bands website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/27/09, Lost Johnny wrote: > > Whats OCD ? > Hey Larry it's what I have with album covers like I was telling you....when it got to correcting single dots with syringes and such I'd put myself up against anyone though, just need someone else to tell me when the ribbons mine.... Obsessive Compulsive Disorder watch out for Mike and I mean that. He's good people. Also good highly dangerous people From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Feb 28 05:27:46 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:27:46 +0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:54:48 -0000, you sent through the ether: >WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD...THERE WILL BE NO REMISSION Speaking of which.. did you notice they passed a "law" this week making it illegal for -anyone- to photograph a Policeman. Even if said public servant is beating a small child to death for the fun of it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/philipjohnston/4632459/Why-cant-we-take-pictures-of-policemen.html -S. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Feb 28 05:50:16 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:50:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Reading 92 cd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:00:37AM -0500, Lost Johnny typed out: > In the USA in the recent days ,the horrible audience tapes sourced Reading > 92 and Minneapolis 89 cds from the Hawkwind Voiceprint direct on line page > are now showing up new online in stores like Tower ,cd universe , Amazon > like $30 . I don't think too many people were ordering them from Hawkwind > Direct . I did and boy was I sorry when I got them . Why the band authorized > these for release I don't understand ,when Dave HAS to have a lot of > wonderful soundboards to choose from . Beware any fan who orders these and > listens to them will be upset with the sound quality . Especially any new > fans . I don't want to get involved in the wider debate here, not least because, you know, I have a fair bit of mail to catch up on here. But, I did want to say, that Reading '92 boot that circulates, I've heard that one and it's really good. Pity of pities if Dave managed to mess that up. Do we have to blame Dave direct though? My suggestion would be that Voiceprint got whatever tapes they could, mastered them and said to Dave, "would you like some money for old rope?" and Dave was just too ready to say 'yes'. Yours, Jon ObCD: Fu Manchu - _King of the Road_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Feb 28 06:10:06 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Reading 92 cd In-Reply-To: <20090228105016.GA13296@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: This is pure speculation but: Didn't relations with Voiceprint breakdown a bit after Magna videoing failure thingy and HW having to get own crew in? In which case is it possible that permission had been given with intention of doing good releases from best tapes rematered or whatever while relations were good; but after Voiceprint and HW fell out, Voiceprint have used permissions already granted to just bang out what is apparently a lesser bootleg-quality version with whatever they had to hand? Mundo > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:50:16 +0000 > From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK > Subject: Re: HW: Reading 92 cd > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:00:37AM -0500, Lost Johnny typed out: > > In the USA in the recent days ,the horrible audience tapes sourced Reading > > 92 and Minneapolis 89 cds from the Hawkwind Voiceprint direct on line page > > are now showing up new online in stores like Tower ,cd universe , Amazon > > like $30 . I don't think too many people were ordering them from Hawkwind > > Direct . I did and boy was I sorry when I got them . Why the band authorized > > these for release I don't understand ,when Dave HAS to have a lot of > > wonderful soundboards to choose from . Beware any fan who orders these and > > listens to them will be upset with the sound quality . Especially any new > > fans . > > I don't want to get involved in the wider debate here, not least > because, you know, I have a fair bit of mail to catch up on here. But, I > did want to say, that Reading '92 boot that circulates, I've heard that > one and it's really good. Pity of pities if Dave managed to mess that > up. Do we have to blame Dave direct though? My suggestion would be that > Voiceprint got whatever tapes they could, mastered them and said to > Dave, "would you like some money for old rope?" and Dave was just too > ready to say 'yes'. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Fu Manchu - _King of the Road_ > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new and improved services from Windows Live. Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Feb 28 08:45:10 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:45:10 -0500 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wish you had the privilege of knowing Dug Walker, a great guy, and outstanding musician. He had an outstanding rare tape collection too. I spent many nights crashed in his studio in the basement. Peace, your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of trev Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: lost johnny Lost Johnny is now a Blessed One REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lost Johnny" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:43 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Reissues > On 2/27/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >> Please tell me that's Doug Walker whom I knew about and not Doug >> Pearson... Yours, >> Jon (back in the timewarp, where indeed it seems >> safest) > > > Pearson's fine, he turns up on the Yahoo list I hear > too good for us apparently > not insulting him > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Feb 28 08:45:10 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:45:10 -0500 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It sounds like your cops are taking lessons from ours. I thought they don't carry guns over there, or is this a law here in the states? Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Pond Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:28 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: lost johnny On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:54:48 -0000, you sent through the ether: >WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD...THERE WILL BE NO REMISSION Speaking of which.. did you notice they passed a "law" this week making it illegal for -anyone- to photograph a Policeman. Even if said public servant is beating a small child to death for the fun of it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/philipjohnston/4632459/Why-can t-we-take-pictures-of-policemen.html -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Feb 28 08:51:56 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:51:56 +0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:45:10 -0500, you sent through the ether: > I thought they don't carry guns over there Generic day to day policemen still don't carry guns, but I see more & more armed response units around. Carrying a tripod has marked you out as a terrorist in London for quite a while though. The ban has made me want to specialize in police photography. -S. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Feb 28 09:23:38 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:23:38 -0500 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Steve. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Pond Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: lost johnny On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:45:10 -0500, you sent through the ether: > I thought they don't carry guns over there Generic day to day policemen still don't carry guns, but I see more & more armed response units around. Carrying a tripod has marked you out as a terrorist in London for quite a while though. The ban has made me want to specialize in police photography. -S. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Feb 28 10:27:31 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:27:31 -0500 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 28 Feb 2009, at 5:27 AM, Steve Pond wrote: > Speaking of which.. did you notice they passed a "law" this week > making it illegal for -anyone- to photograph a Policeman. I have a cousin who is a police sergeant. Does this new law mean that when I take family snaps in the future I'll have to ask him to step outside the frame so as not to put me in legal jeopardy? I always knew "the law is an ass," but do they have to make it so obvious with laws like this? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Feb 28 10:32:55 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:32:55 +0000 Subject: lost johnny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:27:31 -0500, you sent through the ether: > Does this new law mean that >when I take family snaps in the future I'll have to ask him to step >outside the frame so as not to put me in legal jeopardy? I feel sorry for the Japanese tourist who just wants a photo of a typical London bobby... that has to be worth six weeks in an offshore detention centre and a dash of water boarding no? -S. From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Sat Feb 28 15:21:50 2009 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:21:50 EST Subject: Gun-slung-it Message-ID: Had the none too pleasant spectacle of watching Alan Daveys Gunslinger play to about 20 people in a less than salubrious pub in the midlands last night. We did wonder if he looks out from the stage and quietly thinks "Ooops". From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 28 17:20:37 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:20:37 EST Subject: Gun-slung-it Message-ID: Did you enjoy it though? 20 people or 2000 doesn't matter, was it a good gig? I'm seeing them at the Rigger on 27th March. I've seen some great gigs in pubs. Nowt wrong with that, though I see your point. Steve. In a message dated 28/02/2009 20:23:04 GMT Standard Time, Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM writes: Had the none too pleasant spectacle of watching Alan Daveys Gunslinger play to about 20 people in a less than salubrious pub in the midlands last night. We did wonder if he looks out from the stage and quietly thinks "Ooops". From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 28 17:30:39 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:30:39 EST Subject: Gun-slung-it Message-ID: An addendum to my last post. If it was me, the musician who joined a big name band, which turned out great for a good number of years, but turned sour after a number of others. I stuck with it, but it came to a point where I thought f*** this, I'll do what I want to do, even if it means playing in front of 20 people. I hope those 20 people crawled out thinking "shit, they were good" If that was the case, job done. Steve. In a message dated 28/02/2009 20:23:04 GMT Standard Time, Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM writes: Had the none too pleasant spectacle of watching Alan Daveys Gunslinger play to about 20 people in a less than salubrious pub in the midlands last night. We did wonder if he looks out from the stage and quietly thinks "Ooops". From iainferguson at AOL.COM Sat Feb 28 21:05:13 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 02:05:13 +0000 Subject: Gun-slung-it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wholehearted agree, I play in a pub & club band, we pedal 60's garage punk and r&b, we don't do it for the money, we do it cos we can all play bloody well and we just love playing live, and to keep this music alive, We restrict ourselves to about 24 / 30 gigs a year, playing round the south west. We played Bristol last night to about 50 people and tonight in Frome to about the same. We all played in serious bands at one time or another, and for whatever reasons we jacked it in, and now its brilliant cos you are playing exactly what you want, the pressure is off. However, if you were in a band you seriously want to do business, its a real nasty bottom of the stomach feeling when you realise that you are playing to a handful of people, especially when you have to look at the costs of transport, keeping the gear in working order, and if if your salary, it really hurts. been there a wore the t-shirt in the last ressession, I don't envy those boys at all at this time, Its hard.... Iain On 28 Feb 2009, at 22:30, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > An addendum to my last post. > If it was me, the musician who joined a big name band, which turned > out > great for a good number of years, but turned sour after a number of > others. > I stuck with it, but it came to a point where I thought f*** this, > I'll do > what I want to do, even if it means playing in front of 20 people. > I hope those 20 people crawled out thinking "shit, they were good" > If that was the case, job done. > > Steve. > > > In a message dated 28/02/2009 20:23:04 GMT Standard Time, > Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM writes: > > Had the none too pleasant spectacle of watching Alan Daveys > Gunslinger play > > to about 20 people in a less than salubrious pub in the midlands > last night. > We did wonder if he looks out from the stage and quietly thinks > "Ooops".