From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 2 05:53:54 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:53:54 +0100 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <17d80c610907231643v8c4a201ub16fe05d6f057f8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: > no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record some > deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the new wave, right? And anyway that was only metal by the most Sabbathy of definitions, I think I hear Venom from Mike's headphones... Yours, Jon ObCD: Bevis Frond - _Any Gas Faster_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Aug 2 06:34:48 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:34:48 +0100 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <17d80c610907220916v5db07ef2s573f87d5d31b52f1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610907231643v8c4a201ub16fe05d6f057f8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, well, now I've tried every trick in the book to sell "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev, I can now announce that it is a titanic flop, having broken all Real Festival Music sales records in reverse by a total sale of 12 copies (worldwide) to date...Quite a significant number when one considers the esoteric science of numerology. I think the blame must lie squarely on the head of Mike Coleman who's luke warm and non-committal comments on this masterpiece have obviously perverted the minds of the sinning members of this list. However Trev and Kev, undaunted by this typical Coleman Calumny, so typical of the Hamburger Half-wit, will press on with our growing number of live engagements where we will reach the hearts and minds not of 12 of the True Blessed Ones, but of the hundreds and the thousands, thus achieving our rightful status among the all time Greats (Elvis, Walker Brothers, Jerry Lee Lewis etc). Now as a final gesture, as a demonstration of my own massive magnanimity, I will hereby expunge the dire and heinous sin of those who have not yet purchased, thus guaranteeing their place in heaven as opposed to hell and damnation, by offering one final chance... Buy it here and avoid the Eternal Flames of Hell (money back guarantee) http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html See Trev and Kev MySpace for track samples and live engagements www.myspace.com/trevandkev Judge Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:53 AM To: Subject: Re: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: > >> no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record some >> deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) > > That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's > is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the new > wave, right? And anyway that was only metal by the most Sabbathy of > definitions, I think I hear Venom from Mike's headphones... Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Bevis Frond - _Any Gas Faster_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 2 06:57:12 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:57:12 -0500 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: Message-ID: shuttup and look at the CARET documents by "Isaac" there I repaid you ever heard of a little thing like "do you yahoo" I'm banned there for life (for not having a green logbook or something) and don't you think that list would be more profitable? I'll repay you further for the damages, and you know it I'm not a reviewer, you have to write them and just sign my name today was snaggletooth day, motorhead after motorhead that just keeps comin' back and can't be exorcised the mexicans have not kicked in the door and shot me so far, but I really could use that mexicali space metal now please learn some spanish por favor and ring up Nik real quick if you'll excuse me, I've some alien drawings to peruse. if I can just get the damned things to show up : ( On 8/2/09, trev wrote: > > Yes, well, now I've tried every trick in the book to sell "Live at the > Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev, > I can now announce that it is a titanic flop, having broken all Real > Festival Music sales records in reverse by a total sale of 12 copies > (worldwide) to date...Quite a significant number when one considers the > esoteric science of numerology. > I think the blame must lie squarely on the head of Mike Coleman who's luke > warm and non-committal comments on this masterpiece > have obviously perverted the minds of the sinning members of this list. > However Trev and Kev, undaunted by this typical Coleman Calumny, so typical > of the Hamburger Half-wit, will press on with our growing number of live > engagements where we will reach the hearts and minds not of 12 of the True > Blessed Ones, but of the hundreds and the thousands, thus achieving our > rightful status among the all time Greats (Elvis, Walker Brothers, Jerry Lee > Lewis etc). > > Now as a final gesture, as a demonstration of my own massive magnanimity, I > will hereby expunge the dire and heinous sin of those who have not yet > purchased, thus guaranteeing their place in heaven as opposed to hell and > damnation, by offering one final chance... > > Buy it here and avoid the Eternal Flames of Hell (money back guarantee) > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > See Trev and Kev MySpace for track samples and live engagements > www.myspace.com/trevandkev > > Judge Trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:53 AM > To: > Subject: Re: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: > > > >> no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record some > >> deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) > > > > That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's > > is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the new > > wave, right? And anyway that was only metal by the most Sabbathy of > > definitions, I think I hear Venom from Mike's headphones... Yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Bevis Frond - _Any Gas Faster_ > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > ======================================================================= > > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > > -Robert Anton Wilson > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 2 07:41:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:41:42 -0500 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908020357r516b349er6ed8cb1210c06fea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AND....(I'm omitting putting OFF because Trev going into one of his astronomically numerous suicide threats says it already, and I have no wish to shatter his Hawkwind songwriter self vision) you think YOU got problems?? I have become so rebellious with every inhalation that I'm attracting the opposite sex this wasn't accounted for I'm a frickin cross between ET and Uncle fester the dollar store diva wants to slam dunk her boyfriend in the deep-end and rub herself all over me to make things worse, she is arousing to me, and she's 31 I'm thinking something like "does your boyfriend have a gun?" (then if I get a no) "Ok, we can cruise around in your car and spend your paycheck" On 8/2/09, mike coleman wrote: > > shuttup and look at the CARET documents by "Isaac" > there > I repaid you > ever heard of a little thing like "do you yahoo" > I'm banned there for life (for not having a green logbook or something) and > don't you think that list would be more profitable? > I'll repay you further for the damages, and you know it > I'm not a reviewer, you have to write them and just sign my name > today was snaggletooth day, motorhead after motorhead that just keeps > comin' back and can't be exorcised > the mexicans have not kicked in the door and shot me so far, but I really > could use that mexicali space metal > now please learn some spanish por favor and ring up Nik real quick > if you'll excuse me, I've some alien drawings to peruse. if I can just get > the damned things to show up : ( > > > On 8/2/09, trev wrote: >> >> Yes, well, now I've tried every trick in the book to sell "Live at the >> Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev, >> I can now announce that it is a titanic flop, having broken all Real >> Festival Music sales records in reverse by a total sale of 12 copies >> (worldwide) to date...Quite a significant number when one considers the >> esoteric science of numerology. >> I think the blame must lie squarely on the head of Mike Coleman who's luke >> warm and non-committal comments on this masterpiece >> have obviously perverted the minds of the sinning members of this list. >> However Trev and Kev, undaunted by this typical Coleman Calumny, so >> typical of the Hamburger Half-wit, will press on with our growing number of >> live engagements where we will reach the hearts and minds not of 12 of the >> True Blessed Ones, but of the hundreds and the thousands, thus achieving our >> rightful status among the all time Greats (Elvis, Walker Brothers, Jerry Lee >> Lewis etc). >> >> Now as a final gesture, as a demonstration of my own massive magnanimity, >> I will hereby expunge the dire and heinous sin of those who have not yet >> purchased, thus guaranteeing their place in heaven as opposed to hell and >> damnation, by offering one final chance... >> >> Buy it here and avoid the Eternal Flames of Hell (money back guarantee) >> http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html >> See Trev and Kev MySpace for track samples and live engagements >> www.myspace.com/trevandkev >> >> Judge Trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:53 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself >> >> > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: >> > >> >> no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record some >> >> deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) >> > >> > That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's >> > is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the new >> > wave, right? And anyway that was only metal by the most Sabbathy of >> > definitions, I think I hear Venom from Mike's headphones... Yours, >> > Jon >> > >> > ObCD: Bevis Frond - _Any Gas Faster_ >> > -- >> > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> >> > ======================================================================= >> > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly >> opposite" >> > -Robert Anton Wilson >> > >> > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Aug 2 08:33:58 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:33:58 +0100 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <17d80c610907220916v5db07ef2s573f87d5d31b52f1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610907231643v8c4a201ub16fe05d6f057f8e@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908020357r516b349er6ed8cb1210c06fea@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908020441h29a3bdd9p31696dde08a23b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Look see, he's at it again Trev >> On 8/2/09, trev wrote: >>> >>> Yes, well, now I've tried every trick in the book to sell "Live at the >>> Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev, >>> I can now announce that it is a titanic flop, having broken all Real >>> Festival Music sales records in reverse by a total sale of 12 copies >>> (worldwide) to date...Quite a significant number when one considers the >>> esoteric science of numerology. >>> I think the blame must lie squarely on the head of Mike Coleman who's luke >>> warm and non-committal comments on this masterpiece >>> have obviously perverted the minds of the sinning members of this list. >>> However Trev and Kev, undaunted by this typical Coleman Calumny, so >>> typical of the Hamburger Half-wit, will press on with our growing number of >>> live engagements where we will reach the hearts and minds not of 12 of the >>> True Blessed Ones, but of the hundreds and the thousands, thus achieving our >>> rightful status among the all time Greats (Elvis, Walker Brothers, Jerry Lee >>> Lewis etc). >>> >>> Now as a final gesture, as a demonstration of my own massive magnanimity, >>> I will hereby expunge the dire and heinous sin of those who have not yet >>> purchased, thus guaranteeing their place in heaven as opposed to hell and >>> damnation, by offering one final chance... >>> >>> Buy it here and avoid the Eternal Flames of Hell (money back guarantee) >>> http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html >>> See Trev and Kev MySpace for track samples and live engagements http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev >>> Judge Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:41 PM To: Subject: Re: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself > AND....(I'm omitting putting OFF because Trev going into one of his > astronomically numerous suicide threats says it already, and I have no wish > to shatter his Hawkwind songwriter self vision) > you think YOU got problems?? > I have become so rebellious with every inhalation that I'm attracting the > opposite sex > this wasn't accounted for > I'm a frickin cross between ET and Uncle fester > the dollar store diva wants to slam dunk her boyfriend in the deep-end and > rub herself all over me > to make things worse, she is arousing to me, and she's 31 > I'm thinking something like > "does your boyfriend have a gun?" > (then if I get a no) > "Ok, we can cruise around in your car and spend your paycheck" > >> >>> >>> >> >> > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Aug 2 11:57:30 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:57:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawklords Message-ID: Hello I just saw on the dimeadozen torrent site a copy of the recent surprise Hawklords show from the Sonic rock Solstice in Wales. It appears that the hawklords-barney bubbles thing will happen on Sunday Nov 29th in London at the 229 Venue. The Barney Bubbles Memorial Concert will be held at the 229 venue in London's Great Portland Street on 29th November. Confirmed so far - Hawklords featuring the New Bubblettes, Brian James Gang, Inner City Unit Big Band, Imperial Pompadours, and the Pentameters Players performing "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice" by Robert Calvert." I am still puzzled by them called this group the Hawklords as there is not a single member of the hawklords in the line up and they don't even play any songs from the Hawklords 25 years on, Over the Top 12" or PXR5, which I would say are the only legit things to really call hawklords material. It is like Klaus Meine (singer in the Scorpions) going out on tour as the Michael Schenker Group and only playing old Scorpions songs..... I don't get it... Why?? This was the setlist and the band: Sonic Rock Festival - Penmaenau Farm, Builth Wells 2009-6-21 Set List 01 Introduction by Kozmik Ken 02 Born To Go 03 Spirit Of The Age 04 Quark, Strangeness & Charm 05 Children Of The Sun 06 Orgone Accumulator 07 Right Stuff 08 final message from Nik Band Line-up Jerry Richards - guitar Nik Turner - vocals, saxophone, flute Ron Tree - vocals, percussion Alan Davey - bass, vocals Marek - drums (Litmus) Alf Hardy - audio generators, synth (Earth Lab) Josh Dreamspirit - theremin Still I am going to give the show a listen soon.. scott From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 2 12:21:07 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:21:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D3964104@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: I think the answer to that is they are living off a name. I always refer the them as "The So-Called Hawklords".? No right to the name whatsoever and it really p**ses me off that they persist in using it. It was a very good set at the Sonic Rock Solstice, but there's a part of me that wants to throw old tomato's centre stage because they are NOT the HAWKLORDS. I managed to supress that although the supressed part broke out during Turners lengthy and boring Jazz spot. I thought it was never going to end and that the Pre-Med set would be cut short. Thankfully it did end, and Pre-Med played a blinder! Steve. -----Original Message----- From: SHLL (Scott Heller) To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:57 Subject: HW: Hawklords I am still puzzled by them called this group the Hawklords as there is not a single member of the hawklords in the line up and they don't even play any songs from the Hawklords 25 years on, Over the Top 12" or PXR5, which I would say are the only legit things to really call hawklords material. It is like Klaus Meine (singer in the Scorpions) going out on tour as the Michael Schenker Group and only playing old Scorpions songs..... I don't get it... Why?? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Aug 2 12:28:23 2009 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (David Bottomley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:28:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <8CBE1A45F8DEB03-7F4-547D@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: And, presumably, a name that Dave Brock never bothered to trademark. Dave -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sent: 02 August 2009 17:21 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords I think the answer to that is they are living off a name. I always refer the them as "The So-Called Hawklords".? No right to the name whatsoever and it really p**ses me off that they persist in using it. It was a very good set at the Sonic Rock Solstice, but there's a part of me that wants to throw old tomato's centre stage because they are NOT the HAWKLORDS. I managed to supress that although the supressed part broke out during Turners lengthy and boring Jazz spot. I thought it was never going to end and that the Pre-Med set would be cut short. Thankfully it did end, and Pre-Med played a blinder! Steve. -----Original Message----- From: SHLL (Scott Heller) To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:57 Subject: HW: Hawklords I am still puzzled by them called this group the Hawklords as there is not a single member of the hawklords in the line up and they don't even play any songs from the Hawklords 25 years on, Over the Top 12" or PXR5, which I would say are the only legit things to really call hawklords material. It is like Klaus Meine (singer in the Scorpions) going out on tour as the Michael Schenker Group and only playing old Scorpions songs..... I don't get it... Why?? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Aug 2 15:23:49 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:23:49 -0500 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Aug 2009, at 04:53 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: >> no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record >> some >> deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) > > That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's > is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the > new wave, right? Besides, Los Natas are (were?) from Argentina, not Mexico, right? Very different! Different hemispheres, for a start. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 2 16:16:57 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Subject: Off: Free & Music & Chris Anderson In-Reply-To: <830A4BFA-AC73-41BF-9C06-3152E09A8DCD@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Wired has an excerpt from the new Chris Anderson book (FREE: The Future of a > Radical Price) which is fun reading, particularly the bits about piracy and > marketing and money-making in the Chinese and Brazilian music biz. > > What, *that* Chris Anderson? The one who did the Scylding production and so forth? :-) As for the article, well, yes: the only quibble I might have is that even pirate CDs do have a physical component which is rarely as good as the original. I do get that mostly people aren't buying the artwork but I think the author kind of ignores the fact that whereas for Gucci bags etc. the original is still more desirable this isn't the case with music except for a few. There's something there that wants separating out I think. But as to the economics, I don't see why it shouldn't be right... Interesting to watch, though I guess you'll see it first? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Aug 2 17:05:40 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:05:40 -0500 Subject: Off: Free & Music & Chris Anderson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Aug 2009, at 15:16 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > What, *that* Chris Anderson? The one who did the Scylding > production and so forth? :-) ;) No, not that one. Or, at least, not unless my sister had a sex change operation and got rather older whilst leading a secret life as trendy economics/marketing guru. All of which seems unlikely. ;) These Chris Andersons are legion .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 3 05:57:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:57:55 -0500 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/2/09, trev wrote: > Look see, he's at it again (triple-and-a-half eyeroll) I do you the greatest justice you've ever received by showing that your life _can't_ be a failure, since the race is so low it doesn't even register as a gnat crossing the creator's vision and this is the thanks I get? Nevermind if I perpetuate a hoax the topic is spot-on and spot-true Now if you'd please get off my back and busy yourself explaining just how _METAL_ your cosmic puffin project is I think you'll find a rapid upswing in sales.......weather or not you lie is up to you I suggest you refer yourself to the following Motorhead track before braving another poke at me: oh wait, before I go, it seems Taiyo Yuden CDRS are actually a bit hard to locate, and people are simply too polite to order and ask for a blank, if only you'd make the process more comforatble for them further, it seems I am the only one who wishes you to live since people fear that Nik is permanently engaged, and it's nothing personal really, it's just that your not immediate family and they like the idea of their LP's going up in value till next time...... "I'm gonna raise your roof.......ring your bell and that's the truth" The order is for murder, And we've been there before, The men in black are coming back, To serve the killing floor, No pity, No surrender, We take no prisoners, We spare no brave defender, No mercy, No quarter here, The Killers, Will show you flame and sword, We are The Killers, Enough to make your backbone shake, The Killers, Enough to make your stupid faces quiver, And The Killers long to take your life, The sun beats down like thunder, We ride to meet the foe, The clash of the steal and leather, The only song we know, No pardon, No quarter, We own to no compassion, We glory in the slaughter, No mercy, We fetch your death, The Killers, We are the ones foretold, We are The Killers, We do not yearn for gold, We are The Killers, We know the wrath of battle, We are Killers, And The Killers will destroy your life, The devil rides to glory, We hasten by his side, A legendary story, Told by fireside, No mercy, Let all hope fade, We glory the slaughter, Our badge the Ace of Spades, No mercy, We bring the sword, The Killers, We murder you in battle, We are Killers, We ride you down like cattle, We are Killers, We fight our way to legend, We are Killers, And The Killers love to see you die, Killers, We kill you til you die, We are The Killers, We hold our banners high, We are The Killers, We hang you out to die, We are The Killers, And all we bring death to life From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 4 11:19:07 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:19:07 +0100 Subject: Spacerock article In-Reply-To: <5B59CF68-138D-4D3A-8441-8F236B404690@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I am a native speaker of Spanglish! :) Were you born in East, West or Middle Spanglia, then? ITWSBT. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 4 11:52:13 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:52:13 -0500 Subject: Spacerock article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 04 Aug 2009, at 10:19 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Were you born in East, West or Middle Spanglia, then? ITWSBT. Yours, Spanglia Central! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Aug 4 12:06:05 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:06:05 +0100 Subject: Spacerock article In-Reply-To: A Message-ID: I thought they'd stopped making Spanglias: I used to like the "Olde English" ones Chris Warburton ObCD:Skerik's Syncopated Taint Septet -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 04 August 2009 16:52 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Spacerock article On 04 Aug 2009, at 10:19 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Were you born in East, West or Middle Spanglia, then? ITWSBT. Yours, Spanglia Central! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). 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UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation Worldwide Limited is registered in England and Wales, No.4226716. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 4 13:05:59 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:05:59 +0100 Subject: Spacerock article In-Reply-To: <3331617658.6562870@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Steve wrote: > Am I the only one on the list who saw Kyuss live? It was kind of an > accident - a friend and I went to see L7, and Kyuss opened for them. > They were touring their new "Blues for the Red Sun" album, and had some > of those little carboard promotional cards for it. I almost tossed mine > out cause I had never heard of Kyuss (and didn't even get the dweeby D&D > reference, amazingly enough). :) You may be the only one *left*; I heard Tim Fulcher tell of seeing them in the Garaga in Highbury once. He claimed the floor shook. But your report has me wondering, what on earth was L7's connection to that particular crowd? Kathryn, my ex, was (is) a big L7 fan, and once when she saw them a band of unknowns called Wool were supporting. Now pretty much everyone in Kyus had been in a band with someone from Wool at some point in their history and several have gone on to do so again (Wool's vocalist was Pete Stahl of Goatsnake and Orquestra del Desierto). All the same bunch of people who fuelled early QotSA, the Desert Sessions and Brant Bjork's various solo projects. How did L7 fall in with them? I wonder if the story's fit to be told... > Tried to buy their albums right after, but this was years before the Web > and couldn't find anything in my glorious home town of Buffalo. > Finally found Blues for the Red Sun at (are ready for this?) in a Radio > Shack on the NC outer banks that had about 50 CDs for sale in a bin, one > of which was an album that I had sought unsuccessfully in some of the > largest record stores in the world... ;-) The first time I saw a Kyuss album I bought it--that Viking drug lord music pusher had done his work well--and the guy at the counter looked at me, looked at me again and said, "Is this for you?" Something of a proud moment for me :-) > And then of course not long after that I found Welcome to Sky Valley, > which might possibly be my favorite album ever... I was trying to think how I'd answer if someone asked me what the best album I owned was, and that one definitely came to mind. But so do about forty others... Yours, Jon ObCD: Tom Waits - _Nighthawks at the Diner_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 4 15:36:07 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:36:07 -0500 Subject: Spacerock article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 04 Aug 2009, at 12:05, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> And then of course not long after that I found Welcome to Sky >> Valley, which might possibly be my favorite album ever... > > I was trying to think how I'd answer if someone asked me what the > best album I owned was, and that one definitely came to mind. But > so do about forty others... True! Though Sky Valley is a mighty achievement (as, indeed, is Red Sun). I sometimes think that perhaps the _real_ reason that Josh Homme doesn't think there should be a Kyuss reunion is that then everyone would realize how much better Kyuss was than QotSA is! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 5 08:08:07 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:08:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200907290940.n6T9efWW016904@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, M Holmes wrote: > I'd love to hear how we caused global warming on Mars and Titan... > > *Some* of it may be linked to human activity. What we don't know is > whether that amounts to even most of it. Not, of course, that that removes the urgency of doing something about it... A five-degree rise in temperature could make things very uncomfortable for us whether we caused it or not. But this, and Mike C.'s suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high, but our environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are globe-leading. (Okay, maybe not the US.) And the birth rate is below replacements levels both sides of the Atlantic, isn't it? The populations are rising, where they are, because of immigration. (I could be wrong about this, but I'm sure I've seen figures from heavens know what source for Western europe at least.) No, the real problem is going to be the rest of the world trying to have our standard of living. That's going to cause real problems long before Mother Gaia decides it's time for a sweat bath. "So place your trust in science, for it has come so far...": I think the only way out that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap and renewable energy out to the developing economies. And that, unlike halting non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to achieve in the short term. All this aside, did the BGG fans here see that the close-down got a very suspicious column by George Monbiot in _The Guardian_ a few days ago? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/03/green-activism-police-licence or http://tinyurl.com/lxszes Yours, Jon ObCD: Company Flow - _Funcrusher Plus_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Aug 5 09:11:11 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:11:11 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro with Stewkey and Otto from NAZZ + 2 other bands 8/14 Message-ID: August 14th: Mike Burro with Stewkey & Otto of NAZZ, plus 2 other acts: Great Organic Food, BYOB, Rare and Hard to Find Vinyl & CDs and more!!! http://www.prlog.org/10276498.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 5 10:03:27 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:03:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200907290940.n6T9efWW016904@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: ...And don't we all want that clean cheap and renewable energy? The Big Green gathering was the premier UK festival promoting that cause. I've been in touch with several BGG directors recently, and George Monibots article seems to me to be the most accurate and concise one yet. The Real Festival Music crack photography division assailed the police lines last Wednesday, easily blasting aside the puny opposition with our new V weapon...the press pass. Very soon you will all see our own opinion expressed without the need for words in our forthcoming Real Festival Music photographic review..."Territory"... This subject is also covered by many of the lyrics in the new Trev and Kev comedy album "Live at the Cosmic Puffin"...for those capable of reading between the lines . "There's many a true word spoken in jest" Judge Trev Discover the UK Green Festival scene REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers AND THE BEAST WAS CAST ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF BURNING FIRE AND THE REST OF THEM WERE SLAIN BY THE ONE UPON THE WHITE HORSE AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS THE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:08 PM To: Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. I think the only way out > that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap and > renewable energy out to the developing economies. And that, unlike halting > non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to > achieve in the short term. > > All this aside, did the BGG fans here see that the close-down got > a very suspicious column by George Monbiot in _The Guardian_ a few days > ago? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/03/green-activism-police-licence > or > > http://tinyurl.com/lxszes > > Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Company Flow - _Funcrusher Plus_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 5 10:43:42 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:43:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 5 10:50:23 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:50:23 +0100 Subject: Anyone record Edinburgh? In-Reply-To: Dave Hall's message of Mon, 18 May 2009 22:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 5 11:17:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:17:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908051443.n75Ehg7O012072@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: If uncle scam is just going to hoard the recovered alien technology all to itself (free energy amidst that), I say life is made hell by human beings anyway and let the cultures who breed like rabbits overpopulate themselves into infinity and wrigle and writhe working harder and harder and harder to survive in hell no need to keep up I for one will travel elsewhere by nature of the beast life stinks (from a USA perspective, fair enough?), because everything is fake, controlled, human greed, etc etc On 8/5/09, M Holmes wrote: > > Jonathan Jarrett writes: > > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > I'd love to hear how we caused global warming on Mars and Titan... > > > > > > *Some* of it may be linked to human activity. What we don't know is > > > whether that amounts to even most of it. > > > > Not, of course, that that removes the urgency of doing something > > about it... A five-degree rise in temperature could make things very > > uncomfortable for us whether we caused it or not. > > I've always thought that it isn't a good idea to shit in your backyard. > It's going to sooner or later bite you somehow. There's always a silver > lining though: maybe it'll delay the next ice age for a while - those > babies really *are* hard to stop. > > > But this, and Mike C.'s > > suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our > > consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high > > Huh? What makes any particular level of consumption "high"? Comparison > with others? Compared to our ancestors of a few hundred years ago, the > consumption of 99% of the world is extremely high. > > I'm skeptical of arguments that we all have to wear hairshirts, give up > economic growth, or otherwise live in the dark. We have intelligence, so > let's fix things so that we can have all we want, *and* clean up our > mess behind us. > > > but our > > environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are > > globe-leading. > > In fact China produces more pollution and the US. In terms of pollution > caused per Dollar of wealth created, the US is way lower than most of > the world, and *that's* the index we should be looking at if we agree > not to wear hairshirts. It's the fucked up countries who are dirt poor > and yet still have a godawful amount of pollution, that really need > their butts kicked into gear. > > > No, the real problem is going to be the rest of the world trying > > to have our standard of living. That's going to cause real problems long > > before Mother Gaia decides it's time for a sweat bath. "So place your > > trust in science, for it has come so far...": I think the only way out > > that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap > and > > renewable energy out to the developing economies. > > Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but > fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the > greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green > beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious > search for solutions to the problems facing us. > > > And that, unlike halting > > non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to > > achieve in the short term. > > Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a > sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em > out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth > and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 5 11:44:56 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:44:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908050817h33ffae9x71aa26518d84b490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and, global "whining" aside, whats so wonderful about people that even one more should be allowed birth much less all the cement replacing green things and wildlife? go into space? wow everybody rushing back and forth but going exactly where?? to do what?? (again from a usa perspective) one need look no further than the michael jackson coverage or say the "octuplet lady" getting a reality TV show to see why the public does not deserve to continue the PUBLIC is to BLAME for eating what it has ben fed (and making more of their stupid selves) On 8/5/09, mike coleman wrote: > > If uncle scam is just going to hoard the recovered alien technology all to > itself (free energy amidst that), I say life is made hell by human beings > anyway and let the cultures who breed like rabbits overpopulate themselves > into infinity and wrigle and writhe working harder and harder and harder to > survive in hell > no need to keep up > I for one will travel elsewhere by nature of the beast > life stinks (from a USA perspective, fair enough?), because everything is > fake, controlled, human greed, etc etc > > > > > On 8/5/09, M Holmes wrote: >> >> Jonathan Jarrett writes: >> >> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, M Holmes wrote: >> > >> > > I'd love to hear how we caused global warming on Mars and Titan... >> > > >> > > *Some* of it may be linked to human activity. What we don't know is >> > > whether that amounts to even most of it. >> > >> > Not, of course, that that removes the urgency of doing something >> > about it... A five-degree rise in temperature could make things very >> > uncomfortable for us whether we caused it or not. >> >> I've always thought that it isn't a good idea to shit in your backyard. >> It's going to sooner or later bite you somehow. There's always a silver >> lining though: maybe it'll delay the next ice age for a while - those >> babies really *are* hard to stop. >> >> > But this, and Mike C.'s >> > suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our >> > consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high >> >> Huh? What makes any particular level of consumption "high"? Comparison >> with others? Compared to our ancestors of a few hundred years ago, the >> consumption of 99% of the world is extremely high. >> >> I'm skeptical of arguments that we all have to wear hairshirts, give up >> economic growth, or otherwise live in the dark. We have intelligence, so >> let's fix things so that we can have all we want, *and* clean up our >> mess behind us. >> >> > but our >> > environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are >> > globe-leading. >> >> In fact China produces more pollution and the US. In terms of pollution >> caused per Dollar of wealth created, the US is way lower than most of >> the world, and *that's* the index we should be looking at if we agree >> not to wear hairshirts. It's the fucked up countries who are dirt poor >> and yet still have a godawful amount of pollution, that really need >> their butts kicked into gear. >> >> > No, the real problem is going to be the rest of the world trying >> > to have our standard of living. That's going to cause real problems long >> > before Mother Gaia decides it's time for a sweat bath. "So place your >> > trust in science, for it has come so far...": I think the only way out >> > that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap >> and >> > renewable energy out to the developing economies. >> >> Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but >> fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the >> greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green >> beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious >> search for solutions to the problems facing us. >> >> > And that, unlike halting >> > non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to >> > achieve in the short term. >> >> Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a >> sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em >> out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth >> and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind. >> >> FoFP >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 5 11:54:58 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:54:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Online backups (was: Re: HW: Alien Autopsy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> I have to say that I would never want to trust my backup to an >> outside agency. > That's a fair comment, although, truth be told, you already do. For example, > you trust Seagate, Western Digital, Maxtor, and the likes not to produce > buggy firmware that will brick your drive suddenly. (Seagate Barracuda > problems, anybody?:) You are trusting them to be truthful about failure > rates and failure modes. You also are trusting the outside agency that wrote > your backup software to produce something that actually backs up everything > needed to restore properly (permissions, ACLs, xattrs, flags, resource forks, > etc.). You're also trusting them to document it properly so you can > understand its shortcomings and implement it properly. > > To be fair, these are quite rare events, but then so are large enterprise > storage vendors going bankrupt without any lead time whatsoever; network > outages in agencies with SLAs specifying five nines of availability; and so > on. I have to concede those points, but I do so only reluctantly you understand ;-) > I'm involved with the MetaArchive initiative, which is an offshoot of the > LOCKSS (Lots of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe) project. When they recently > announced they were moving the Properties Server into the Amazon Cloud I had > the exact same reaction as you did: do we have a non-cloud instance to use as > a backup?!? Our migration into using cloud computing is measured, > deliberate, and gradual. I would expect anyone using an online backup > solution to be wary, too, and to exercise due diligence. But, I think we > should be realistic about the risks, and, to be honest, I think the risk of > making a hash of implementing a home-brew backup solution is as great as---or > greater than---using an online one. (Hands up those that use "RAID" as a > backup solution. [You do know it isn't, don't you?] Hands up those who do > that have actually simulated a drive failure and replacement...) Ah, it was LOCKSS that first woke me up to this, in fact, though by then I'd already seen it happen to a couple of sites that I assumed would come back, and never did. My institution uses RAID as a primary backup and takes the whole setup to tape every weekend. This is going to have to change soon as we are currently pushing the limits of what can in fact be taken to a single tape drive in the course of a weekend... The other problem with online backup, of course, is that you can't so easily guarantee it's not being read by others. The police can make you turn over your hard drives but it's a lot easier not to let you know they're looking at you if they can get at your backup agency under, for example, the UK's RIP Act. And that's just the ones with legal ways to do it. > Hey, don't knock it. Reciprocal agreements are one way to go: you back up my > data and I'll back up yours. (Of course, make sure to use a backup client > that supports encryption to ensure privacy.) Ha! If you knew my landlord you'd see why that's funny, but trust me, encryption is *on*. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 5 12:01:22 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:01:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Online backups (was: Re: HW: Alien Autopsy) In-Reply-To: <4A720BC2.8000405@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Jerry G wrote: > You had an Altair? I had to type all mine in on an IBM 029. I'd love to go with > LTO-4 if the prices weren't so high. I wish their average life expectancy was a > little higher as well. It'd be nice if there was an affordable holographic storage > that would hold a few petabytes, have unlimited writes, and lasted a few centuries. By a strange coincidence, someone else pointed me at this: it's a long way off what you're asking for, except in the last specification, but the problem is being worked on: http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=8473 Yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _What Did for the Dinosaurs_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 5 20:41:23 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:41:23 -0500 Subject: OFF but more off\: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. Message-ID: I am not intending to offend anybody, simply pushing a radical opinion past the brink I don't much like the human race, but I do like the people on this forum (where I don't have too actually see anything humanly offensive), so there is a reason for life to exist Now please do something about the USA besides destroy it........change it change it change it On 8/5/09, mike coleman wrote: > > and, global "whining" aside, whats so wonderful about people that even one > more should be allowed birth much less all the cement replacing green things > and wildlife? > go into space? wow > everybody rushing back and forth but going exactly where?? to do what?? > (again from a usa perspective) one need look no further than the michael > jackson coverage or say the "octuplet lady" getting a reality TV show to see > why the public does not deserve to continue > the PUBLIC is to BLAME for eating what it has ben fed (and making more of > their stupid selves) > > > > On 8/5/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> If uncle scam is just going to hoard the recovered alien technology all to >> itself (free energy amidst that), I say life is made hell by human beings >> anyway and let the cultures who breed like rabbits overpopulate themselves >> into infinity and wrigle and writhe working harder and harder and harder to >> survive in hell >> no need to keep up >> I for one will travel elsewhere by nature of the beast >> life stinks (from a USA perspective, fair enough?), because everything is >> fake, controlled, human greed, etc etc >> >> >> >> >> On 8/5/09, M Holmes wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan Jarrett writes: >>> >>> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, M Holmes wrote: >>> > >>> > > I'd love to hear how we caused global warming on Mars and Titan... >>> > > >>> > > *Some* of it may be linked to human activity. What we don't know is >>> > > whether that amounts to even most of it. >>> > >>> > Not, of course, that that removes the urgency of doing something >>> > about it... A five-degree rise in temperature could make things very >>> > uncomfortable for us whether we caused it or not. >>> >>> I've always thought that it isn't a good idea to shit in your backyard. >>> It's going to sooner or later bite you somehow. There's always a silver >>> lining though: maybe it'll delay the next ice age for a while - those >>> babies really *are* hard to stop. >>> >>> > But this, and Mike C.'s >>> > suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our >>> > consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high >>> >>> Huh? What makes any particular level of consumption "high"? Comparison >>> with others? Compared to our ancestors of a few hundred years ago, the >>> consumption of 99% of the world is extremely high. >>> >>> I'm skeptical of arguments that we all have to wear hairshirts, give up >>> economic growth, or otherwise live in the dark. We have intelligence, so >>> let's fix things so that we can have all we want, *and* clean up our >>> mess behind us. >>> >>> > but our >>> > environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are >>> > globe-leading. >>> >>> In fact China produces more pollution and the US. In terms of pollution >>> caused per Dollar of wealth created, the US is way lower than most of >>> the world, and *that's* the index we should be looking at if we agree >>> not to wear hairshirts. It's the fucked up countries who are dirt poor >>> and yet still have a godawful amount of pollution, that really need >>> their butts kicked into gear. >>> >>> > No, the real problem is going to be the rest of the world trying >>> > to have our standard of living. That's going to cause real problems >>> long >>> > before Mother Gaia decides it's time for a sweat bath. "So place your >>> > trust in science, for it has come so far...": I think the only way out >>> > that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap >>> and >>> > renewable energy out to the developing economies. >>> >>> Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but >>> fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the >>> greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green >>> beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious >>> search for solutions to the problems facing us. >>> >>> > And that, unlike halting >>> > non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope >>> to >>> > achieve in the short term. >>> >>> Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a >>> sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em >>> out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth >>> and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind. >>> >>> FoFP >>> >>> -- >>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >>> >> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 5 21:13:44 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:13:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tech....FoFP, Chris, etc Message-ID: move over Michael Jackson think this'll get you up the slopes Mike? http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/new-jetpack go New Zealand? From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Thu Aug 6 04:35:28 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 04:35:28 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com AUGUST 6 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: AURAL INNOVATIONS SPACE ROCK RADIO I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #222). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #222) Instant Drone Factory ? ?Put Down The Guns? (from Ho Avuto Paura Del Mare) The Future Kings Of England ? ?See Saw? (from The Viewing Point) The Higher Craft ? ?Time Has Come? (Live Rehearsal) (from Legends of Time EP) Osiris the Rebirth ? ?Colgate Valentine? (from forthcoming new album) Paradise 9 ? ?Points Of View? (from Nothing For Tomorrow) Nucleon ? ?Green Acid? (from Strange Daze Festival ?97) Quarkspace ? ?Faerienot Space? (from Strange Daze Festival ?97) The Def-A-Kators ? ?Spahn Ranch Hand? (from Texas Redneck With A Big Cock) Alan Davey ? ?Eclectic Devils? (from Eclectic Devils) Baby Woodrose ? ?Secret Of The Twisted Flower? (from Baby Woodrose) Syzygy ? ?Dreams? (from Realms of Eternity) THTX ? ?Mu-Tron? (from The Flickering Sky) The Movements ? ?Ministers Of Space? (from For Sardines Space Is No Problem) Gargamel ? ?Descending? (from Descending) G?sta Berlings Saga ? ?Fem Trappor? (from Detta Har H?nt) Ponamero Sundown ? ?Made Of Stone? (from Stonerized) Villebr?d ? ?Feberdr?m? (from Ultrarapid) Ozric Tentacles ? ?YumYum Tree? (from The Yum Yum Tree) http://Aural-Innovations.com From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 6 09:20:01 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 05:20:01 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <000801ca138e$440e6bc0$0202a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: At least it is obviously not Hawkwind. It seems a bit cheap using the name. What's wrong with "Space Ritual?" I'm no fan of Nik's sax playing or singing anyway. Jonathan On 02/08/2009, David Bottomley wrote: > And, presumably, a name that Dave Brock never bothered to trademark. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of stevepxr5 at AOL.COM > Sent: 02 August 2009 17:21 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords > > > I think the answer to that is they are living off a name. > I always refer the them as "The So-Called Hawklords".? No right to the name > whatsoever and it really p**ses me off that they persist in using it. It was > a very good set at the Sonic Rock Solstice, but there's a part of me that > wants to throw old tomato's centre stage because they are NOT the HAWKLORDS. > I managed to supress that although the supressed part broke out during > Turners lengthy and boring Jazz spot. I thought it was never going to end > and that the Pre-Med set would be cut short. Thankfully it did end, and > Pre-Med played a blinder! > > Steve. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SHLL (Scott Heller) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:57 > Subject: HW: Hawklords > > > > > > > > > I am still puzzled by them called this group the Hawklords as there is not a > > single member of the hawklords in the line up and they don't even play any > songs > from the Hawklords 25 years on, Over the Top 12" or PXR5, which I would say > are > the only legit things to really call hawklords material. It is like Klaus > Meine > (singer in the Scorpions) going out on tour as the Michael Schenker Group > and > only playing old Scorpions songs..... I don't get it... Why?? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. > Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > From steve.bishop at DB.COM Thu Aug 6 09:27:17 2009 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:27:17 +0100 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: <39dabad60908060620y3f3f9df3l79a270c7e9730c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: All There has been much debate over the years about whether a Hawkestra recording would ever surface but I kinda get the feeling this will never (officially) happen - however, whilst perusing the Internet I came across a reference to someone bidding on a 10 cd bootleg recording of said concert - anyone know any background pls ? Does anything exist ? Cheers Sid --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for additional EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Aug 6 09:28:26 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:28:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <39dabad60908060620y3f3f9df3l79a270c7e9730c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Because, going round in circles again on this discussion (sorry!), Space Ritual is a defined band with a defined line-up that's not the line-up of the Hawklords project... Ian ________________________________ From: Jonathan Smith To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:20:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords At least it is obviously not Hawkwind. It seems a bit cheap using the name. What's wrong with "Space Ritual?" I'm no fan of Nik's sax playing or singing anyway. Jonathan On 02/08/2009, David Bottomley wrote: > And, presumably, a name that Dave Brock never bothered to trademark. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of stevepxr5 at AOL.COM > Sent: 02 August 2009 17:21 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords > > > I think the answer to that is they are living off a name. > I always refer the them as "The So-Called Hawklords".? No right to the name > whatsoever and it really p**ses me off that they persist in using it. It was > a very good set at the Sonic Rock Solstice, but there's a part of me that > wants to throw old tomato's centre stage because they are NOT the HAWKLORDS. > I managed to supress that although the supressed part broke out during > Turners lengthy and boring Jazz spot. I thought it was never going to end > and that the Pre-Med set would be cut short. Thankfully it did end, and > Pre-Med played a blinder! > > Steve. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SHLL (Scott Heller) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:57 > Subject: HW: Hawklords > > > > > > > > > I am still puzzled by them called this group the Hawklords as there is not a > > single member of the hawklords in the line up and they don't even play any > songs > from the Hawklords 25 years on, Over the Top 12" or PXR5, which I would say > are > the only legit things to really call hawklords material. It is like Klaus > Meine > (singer in the Scorpions) going out on tour as the Michael Schenker Group > and > only playing old Scorpions songs..... I don't get it... Why?? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. > Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 6 11:21:48 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:21:48 +0100 Subject: TERRITORY... UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council In-Reply-To: <200907290940.n6T9efWW016904@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: "TERRITORY" http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/big-green-gathering-09.html -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:03 PM To: Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > ...And don't we all want that clean cheap and renewable energy? The Big Green gathering was the premier UK festival promoting that cause. > > > > The Real Festival Music crack photography division assailed the police lines last Wednesday, easily blasting aside the puny opposition with our new V weapon...the press pass. > > Very soon you will all see our own opinion expressed without the need for words in our forthcoming Real Festival Music photographic review..."Territory"... > > This subject is also covered by many of the lyrics in the new Trev and Kev comedy album "Live at the Cosmic Puffin"...for those capable of reading between the lines > . > "There's many a true word spoken in jest" Buy Trev and Kev's "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > > > Judge Trev > > > Discover the UK Green Festival scene > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers > > AND THE BEAST WAS CAST ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF BURNING FIRE AND THE REST OF THEM WERE SLAIN BY THE ONE UPON THE WHITE HORSE AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS THE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:08 PM > To: > Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > > I think the only way out >> that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap and >> renewable energy out to the developing economies. And that, unlike halting >> non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to >> achieve in the short term. >> >> All this aside, did the BGG fans here see that the close-down got >> a very suspicious column by George Monbiot in _The Guardian_ a few days >> ago? >> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/03/green-activism-police-licence >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/lxszes >> >> Yours, >> Jon >> >> ObCD: Company Flow - _Funcrusher Plus_ >> -- >> Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> ======================================================================= >> "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" >> -Robert Anton Wilson >> > From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Aug 6 11:26:32 2009 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Pam & Cliff) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:26:32 -0600 Subject: Hawkestra Message-ID: Hey, I have a 5 disc recording of this; the Hawkwind, Tim Blake/Simon House, and think the other disc is Alan Davey. I have to look and see:) Pam From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Aug 6 17:39:01 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:39:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Online backups (was: Re: HW: Alien Autopsy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought I came across something about IBM doing some research in that area a while back. How's that Bevis Frond album sound? I really need to grab some more of their CD's. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Jerry G wrote: > >> You had an Altair? I had to type all mine in on an IBM 029. I'd love >> to go with >> LTO-4 if the prices weren't so high. I wish their average life >> expectancy was a >> little higher as well. It'd be nice if there was an affordable >> holographic storage >> that would hold a few petabytes, have unlimited writes, and lasted a >> few centuries. > > By a strange coincidence, someone else pointed me at this: it's a > long way off what you're asking for, except in the last specification, > but the problem is being worked on: > > http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=8473 > > Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _What Did for the Dinosaurs_ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 6 18:32:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:32:42 -0500 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aha!! so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu to pay for 4 and upwards copies of Alien Autopsy since each one seems to be colored (coloured) differently I seem to recall a certain associate of mine had a 10 CDR jobber On 8/6/09, Steve Bishop wrote: > > All > > There has been much debate over the years about whether a Hawkestra > recording > would ever surface but I kinda get the feeling this will never (officially) > happen - however, whilst perusing the Internet I came across a reference to > someone bidding on a 10 cd bootleg recording of said concert - anyone know > any > background pls ? Does anything exist ? > > Cheers > > Sid > > --- > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you > are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is > strictly > forbidden. > > Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for > additional > EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 6 18:59:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Incomprehensible Agendas) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:59:08 -0500 Subject: TERRITORY... UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wow when I saw your photo review it really hit home emotionally and brought tears to my eyes seeing this beautiful landscape getting protection from the scruffy palm-readers with undiagnosed mental-illnesses scurrying all over it and just think, now your photos can be sold maybe there is hope yet, since acoustic guitars are very hard to kill with, but they do make funny hats when you bash people with them On 8/6/09, trev wrote: > > "TERRITORY" > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/big-green-gathering-09.html > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "trev" > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:03 PM > To: > Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from > police and local council. > > > ...And don't we all want that clean cheap and renewable energy? The Big > Green gathering was the premier UK festival promoting that cause. > > > > > > > > The Real Festival Music crack photography division assailed the police > lines last Wednesday, easily blasting aside the puny opposition with our new > V weapon...the press pass. > > > > Very soon you will all see our own opinion expressed without the need for > words in our forthcoming Real Festival Music photographic > review..."Territory"... > > > > This subject is also covered by many of the lyrics in the new Trev and > Kev comedy album "Live at the Cosmic Puffin"...for those capable of reading > between the lines > > . > > "There's many a true word spoken in jest" > > > Buy Trev and Kev's "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" here > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > > > > > > Judge Trev > > > > > > Discover the UK Green Festival scene > > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > > Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, News, Healers > > > > AND THE BEAST WAS CAST ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF BURNING FIRE AND THE REST OF > THEM WERE SLAIN BY THE ONE UPON THE WHITE HORSE AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME > OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS THE JUDGES AND > IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:08 PM > > To: > > Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from > police and local council. > > > > I think the only way out > >> that's likely is a breakthrough on the energy crisis that allows cheap > and > >> renewable energy out to the developing economies. And that, unlike > halting > >> non-anthropogenic climate change, is something we can reasonably hope to > >> achieve in the short term. > >> > >> All this aside, did the BGG fans here see that the close-down got > >> a very suspicious column by George Monbiot in _The Guardian_ a few days > >> ago? > >> > > > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/03/green-activism-police-licence > >> or > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/lxszes > >> > >> Yours, > >> Jon > >> > >> ObCD: Company Flow - _Funcrusher Plus_ > >> -- > >> Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > >> ======================================================================= > >> "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > >> -Robert Anton Wilson > >> > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 6 19:28:40 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:28:40 -0500 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908061532v8115deajb13cf7d2b0a44c41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: > so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu Are they still going, then? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 6 21:14:19 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Incomprehensible Agendas) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:14:19 -0500 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: <1DE88795-080F-44FD-9971-AB7414FCFDCC@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 8/6/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: > >> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu >> > > Are they still going, then? :) is this a trick?? a trap?? is this where my walls become neglected no more and the endless staring resumes as I go shamefully punished for my endless stream-of-conciouness garbage?? braving an answer- I myself have one or 2 versions of CDRS of this, of unknown CDR quantity but certainly not containing even as much as Pam's as I don't believe I ever got the Alan Davey set which I wanted since it was good enough that Nik received my still sealed airline earplugs to get through it (pelt me with garbage) I do not believe I have ever actually listened to any of it but a minute or 2 and if the things still play I am game to share provided the safe means beyond that I am not beyond begging the odd german for a 10 CDR affair on someone's behalf as for the AA LP I have no idea since I got mad that they are color (colour) swirls and I get none From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 7 01:48:02 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:48:02 -0500 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908061814q1c630d5g81a4d895d6d4d855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh,,,I don't know....didn't bother to look On 8/6/09, Incomprehensible Agendas wrote: > > > On 8/6/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: >> >>> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu >>> >> >> Are they still going, then? :) > > > is this a trick?? a trap?? is this where my walls become neglected no > more and the endless staring resumes as I go shamefully punished for my > endless stream-of-conciouness garbage?? > braving an answer- I myself have one or 2 versions of CDRS of this, of > unknown CDR quantity but certainly not containing even as much as Pam's as I > don't believe I ever got the Alan Davey set which I wanted since it was good > enough that Nik received my still sealed airline earplugs to get through it > (pelt me with garbage) I do not believe I have ever actually listened to > any of it but a minute or 2 and if the things still play I am game to share > provided the safe means > beyond that I am not beyond begging the odd german for a 10 CDR affair on > someone's behalf > as for the AA LP I have no idea since I got mad that they are > color (colour) swirls and I get none > > > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Aug 10 01:46:37 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:46:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Porchester halls Message-ID: Hello Any one have an idea what will happen on these days, how they plan to fill up the day from 3 until 11 in the evening? I guess Tim Blake will get a solo set, Huw, maybe even Dave will play an acoustic set. Dibs, could have a set with his band Spacehead but they have not done anything in years now. Also, Tribe of cro would play since one of their members is in the line up.. Then we get Hawkwind from 8-11 or something like that. Tribe of Cro Tim Blake solo Spacehead Huw solo acoustic- maybe Dave joins as well Hawkwind with guests.. Possible guests: Huw Lloyd Langton Mathew Wright (not really a very worth while guest, same level as Samantha Fox, I would say...) ??????? What if Nik and all is guys just crashed the party and showed up unannounced??? We will soon find out..... scott ______________ Scott Heller This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 02:00:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:00:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Porchester halls In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D3964149@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On 8/10/09, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > > What if Nik and all is guys just crashed the party and showed up > unannounced??? > We will soon find out..... "The fight of the hawks?" no wait, the name is trademarked and those guys would all be on one side From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 10 04:25:32 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:25:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908051443.n75Ehg7O012072@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, M Holmes wrote: > Jonathan Jarrett writes: >> But this, and Mike C.'s >> suggested population culls, are all targeting the wrong places. Our >> consumption in the US and Europe is pretty appallingly high > Huh? What makes any particular level of consumption "high"? Comparison > with others? Compared to our ancestors of a few hundred years ago, the > consumption of 99% of the world is extremely high. Well, sustainability, fundamentally, wouldn't you say? Of course as you go on to suggest we can up the rate of replacement, and sociologically that's a lot more likely to work than getting everyone to wear hairshirts. And it's more pleasant to aspire to as well. But if we can't replace what we use or substitute it... >> but our >> environmental practices, while nowhere near what we might like, are >> globe-leading. > In fact China produces more pollution and the US. In terms of pollution > caused per Dollar of wealth created, the US is way lower than most of > the world, and *that's* the index we should be looking at if we agree > not to wear hairshirts. It's the fucked up countries who are dirt poor > and yet still have a godawful amount of pollution, that really need > their butts kicked into gear. I think that's what I meant that line to mean, in fact I think it actually does. We're agreeing and you're still arguing with me dammit :-) > Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but > fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the > greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green > beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious > search for solutions to the problems facing us. I think parts of the movement always were like this, and people have been pointing this out since the 1960s but now that green is more mainstream the basic contradictions are beginning to be addressed, as with any ideology that attracts a following. Again, however, as to the necessity of solutions like nuclear power, I agree with you, though my money's on solar-catalysed fuel cells. As a historian what tends to irk me is that many of the landscapes and zones of natural beauty that conservationists want so much to preserve are themselves the results of centuries of human use. But that's a far smaller issue. > Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a > sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em > out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth > and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind. Ironically, there's no profit in preventing global catastrophe, so funding is hard to assemble... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Mon Aug 10 06:33:52 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:33:52 +0200 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:25:32 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, M Holmes wrote: > > > Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but > > fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the > > greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green > > beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious > > search for solutions to the problems facing us. > > I think parts of the movement always were like this, and people > have been pointing this out since the 1960s but now that green is > more mainstream the basic contradictions are beginning to be > addressed, as with any ideology that attracts a following. Again, > however, as to the necessity of solutions like nuclear power, I > agree with you, though my money's on solar-catalysed fuel cells. Nuclear power isn't green. Stepping over the issue of nuclear waste for a moment, nuclear power adds energy to the earth's system, thereby increasing its temperature. Solar (and derivatives, such as wind and tidal) power is the only source that is energy-neutral over short periods of time (say, weeks). Biofuels might also fall into that catagory, but that depends on how it's processed, and what the waste products are. Just a few words on nuclear waste, fission also produces tons of nuclear waste. Not directly, but through the bombardment of metals (mainly iron) with high-energy neutrons. > As a historian what tends to irk me is that many of the landscapes > and zones of natural beauty that conservationists want so much to > preserve are themselves the results of centuries of human use. But > that's a far smaller issue. Yes, that is ironic. It also makes you wonder if 200 years from now people would be fighting to preserve the current-day skyline... > > Hey, why non halt that too? If it's too hot, we normally put up a > > sunshade. Let's test-deploy solar sails, then scale 'em up and put 'em > > out by L1 in the tens of thousands. Build a sunshade for Mother Earth > > and stop her getting sunburn. *There's* an idea to rally behind. > > Ironically, there's no profit in preventing global catastrophe, so > funding is hard to assemble... Yours, Yup, we'd rather make a buck than not go to hell... Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 07:24:47 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:24:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:25:32 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 07:30:20 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:30:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:33:52 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 10 07:47:45 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:47:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Aug 2009, at 03:25 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > As a historian what tends to irk me is that many of the landscapes > and zones of natural beauty that conservationists want so much to > preserve are themselves the results of centuries of human use. But > that's a far smaller issue. Practically every inch of Britain, for example. :) But, as you suggest, what the hey ... :) Romantics will be romantics! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Mon Aug 10 07:54:41 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:54:41 +0200 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908101130.n7ABUKOJ000049@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:30:20 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: Well, what you just said is basically what was said thirty, fourty years ago about CO2 and global warming. If you can play it safe, why not? Then again, global warming isn't the end of the world, it'll be the end of our easy life. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Aug 10 08:41:47 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:41:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908101130.n7ABUKOJ000049@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:30 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Mebbe in a millenium or sixty we'll need to watch the thermal budget > of > how we create energy, but not right now. The problem is increased > solar > heat, not the heat we're actually producing. Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with their so-called scientific consensus! If Mike disagrees with them then I'm backing Mike because he always has the Straight Dope and that's the truth!!* Besides, he states things so forcefully, like his facts are like axioms and so not to be quibbled with, that it's hard to disagree with a chap like that. ;-) Gotta love 'im! Cheers, Paul. [*] May not be the truth in all localities. Void where prohibited. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 10 08:47:42 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:47:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fresh from their conquest of Belgium, Litmus return to London on Saturday September 12th with a show at the Bull and Gate in Kentish Town. There will be projections, strobes, smoke, lasers and a rather long set covering all three albums and some material that is not on any of them! All this for a mere ?6.00 and everything starts at 8pm. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 10:38:12 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:38:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <458F8491-AEE9-43BA-ABE0-55C803474BF8@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: why can't we just take the path of least resistance and utilize the earths magnetics (or whatevr we can bum) we could simply admit we've _NEVER_ been the most intelligent species inhabiting the earth, and then just bring a bunch of flashlights to the ocean depths and signal signal signal On 8/10/09, Paul Mather wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:30 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > Mebbe in a millenium or sixty we'll need to watch the thermal budget of >> how we create energy, but not right now. The problem is increased solar >> heat, not the heat we're actually producing. >> > > Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with their > so-called scientific consensus! If Mike disagrees with them then I'm > backing Mike because he always has the Straight Dope and that's the truth!!* > Besides, he states things so forcefully, like his facts are like axioms and > so not to be quibbled with, that it's hard to disagree with a chap like > that. ;-) > > Gotta love 'im! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > [*] May not be the truth in all localities. Void where prohibited. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 11:03:25 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:03:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: <949292.70105.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are Trev and Kev playing too? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:47 PM To: Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 > Fresh from their conquest of Belgium, Litmus return to London on Saturday > September 12th with a show at the Bull and Gate in Kentish Town. > > There will be projections, strobes, smoke, lasers and a rather long set > covering all three albums and some material that is not on any of them! > > All this for a mere ?6.00 and everything starts at 8pm. > From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Mon Aug 10 11:08:14 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:08:14 +0200 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908100738l2e0e0565nd2925629a847bcec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:38:12 -0500, mike coleman wrote > why can't we just take the path of least resistance and utilize the earths > magnetics (or whatevr we can bum) Well, you need a _varying_ magnetic field for that, and the temporal variation in the earth's magnetic field is zero for all practical purposes. As for burning stuff, that's what got us into this crap in the first place.... > we could simply admit we've _NEVER_ been the most intelligent species > inhabiting the earth, and then just bring a bunch of flashlights to the > ocean depths and signal signal signal Yeah, and make that "signal signal signal sig_nal sig_nal sig_nal signal signal signal". Coming back on Mike H's statement that increased solar heat is the problem: it isn't. It's being unable to loose enough heat (from any source). And when a system gets knocked out of equilibrium, the best way of getting back to equilibrium is to remove the source of the disturbance, not to fiddle around with the system itself. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 10 11:35:27 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (colinjallen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:35:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 Message-ID: Not this time! On 10 Aug 2009, at 16:03, trev wrote: Are Trev and Kev playing too? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Allen" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:47 PM To: Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 Fresh from their conquest of Belgium, Litmus return to London on Saturday September 12th with a show at the Bull and Gate in Kentish Town. There will be projections, strobes, smoke, lasers and a rather long set covering all three albums and some material that is not on any of them! All this for a mere ?6.00 and everything starts at 8pm. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 12:29:21 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:29:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:54:41 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 12:30:48 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:30:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:41:47 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 12:34:04 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:34:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 12:44:33 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:44:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:08:14 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Aug 10 12:56:43 2009 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:56:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Nuclear drive, er, reactor Message-ID: If it weren't for the problem of waste management (and the fact that nuclear reactors are sometimes run by drunk Russians (and drunk Americans: remember 3 Mile Island :-)) then nuclear power would be a good solution to global warming. The heat generated isn't the big problem, the problem is CO2 keeping in solar radiation. The heat generated by us humans is insignificant compared to the heat from the Sun and from the Earth itself. However see http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.0627v1. Generating all our energy from nuclear will not be as easy as you might think. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 10 August 2009 12:30 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. Arjan Hulsebos writes: > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:25:32 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Such as solar power satellites or nuclear power (fusion preferably, but > > > fission will hold the dam in the meantime). The problem is that the > > > greens themselves are part of the political resistance to this. Green > > > beliefs have become in large part a religious cult rather than a serious > > > search for solutions to the problems facing us. > > > > I think parts of the movement always were like this, and people > > have been pointing this out since the 1960s but now that green is > > more mainstream the basic contradictions are beginning to be > > addressed, as with any ideology that attracts a following. Again, > > however, as to the necessity of solutions like nuclear power, I > > agree with you, though my money's on solar-catalysed fuel cells. > Nuclear power isn't green. Well, it doesn't produce lots of CO2, and that's supposedly at the root of the emergency. > Stepping over the issue of nuclear waste for a > moment, nuclear power adds energy to the earth's system, thereby increasing > its temperature. Pish posh. There's *zero* evidence that the thermal load of our energy use is at all significant in this. > Solar (and derivatives, such as wind and tidal) power is the > only source that is energy-neutral over short periods of time (say, weeks). Mebbe in a millenium or sixty we'll need to watch the thermal budget of how we create energy, but not right now. The problem is increased solar heat, not the heat we're actually producing. > Biofuels might also fall into that catagory, but that depends on how it's > processed, and what the waste products are. > > Just a few words on nuclear waste, fission also produces tons of nuclear > waste. Not directly, but through the bombardment of metals (mainly iron) with > high-energy neutrons. Tons? That's such a trivial amount that wwe could encase it in glass and leave it lying around until we figure out a use for it; how to deal with it; or just loft it into space and lose it forever. My bet is that at some point we'll have a use for it all and it'll be a pain to dig up all the stuff we buried. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 13:09:15 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:09:15 +0100 Subject: Earth's heat budget Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 10 13:32:42 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:32:42 +0000 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <200908101709.n7AH9F5o003227@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Less of a BOC-L thread, more of a Kim Stanley Robinson novel! :) ________________________________ From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:09:15 PM Subject: Earth's heat budget I looked it up for y'all. Now wikipedia isn't exactly academic references. OTOH this page isn't a kick in the arse from the last figures I did read. If anyone has anything significantly different though, let's have a gander... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_energy_budget So lessee: Solar radiation (incoming) 99.978% Geothermal (coming up from underneath): 0.013% Fossil fuels (us burning shit): 0.007% Nukes will add a little to that, but nothing significant. So: Geothermal energy is producing twice the heat we produce and the Sun is giving Earth something over ten thousand times as much heat as we're producing. As I said: we have a long way to go before we're a player in that game. For the record, the IPCC (the scientists who worry about global warming by running computer models about what things might be like in the future) have *never* *ever* claimed that the heat produced by humans is a problem. They have claimed that human production of waste gases is significantly or even largely responsible for increasing the proportion of those gases in the atmosphere and that this causes global warming by trapping more heat from the Sun. Some scientists outside of the IPCC agree that global warming is happening, but disagree that human industry is a big part of the reason. Patrick Moore of Sky At Night fame has noted that temperatures on Mars, Titan and a couple of Jupiter's moons have also risen.? He notes that this is not caused by humans and that he believes there will be much surprise when one of the solar cycles turns in the 2030's and things cool down here, meaning that reality fails to match up to the computer models of the IPCC. Relevance to this argument: the original contention was that nuclear power will increase global warming as a direct result of the heat produced. Since it'd take us quite a while to ramp up nuclear energy to anywhere like the energy produced by fossil fuels, and since that in itself is an insignificant part of the heat budget of the Earth, I submit that we should find nuclear power Not Guilty and dismiss the client. I now await the summing up on the part of the prosecution. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 13:47:40 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:40 -0700 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself Message-ID: Los Natas! Love that stuff. Ever hear a band called Flametal? :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Sunday, Aug 2, 2009 3:27 pm Subject: Re: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 02 Aug 2009, at 04:53 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, mike coleman wrote: > no you're not, your going into the studio with Nicholas to record > some > deadly mexicali space metal (I mean you ARE for ME right?) > That sounds like a worthwhile exercise to me, I mean Los Natas's is bloody impossible to get hold of these days, it's time for the new wave, right? Besides, Los Natas are (were?) from Argentina, not Mexico, right? Very different! Different hemispheres, for a start. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 10 14:09:03 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:09:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Nuclear drive, er, reactor In-Reply-To: John Rennie's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:56:43 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 14:50:38 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:50:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: <131585.97213.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's because they know that my Napoleonic column with smash through their faltering inexperienced lines...No one can follow Trev and Kev!...You wait 'til that Justin Hawkins get a whiff of us at Moonfest. And my Iggyesque figure will nick all their birds...cough! ...Yes I'm sure that must be it... Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "colinjallen" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 > Not this time! > > On 10 Aug 2009, at 16:03, trev wrote: > > Are Trev and Kev playing too? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Colin Allen" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:47 PM > To: > Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 > > Fresh from their conquest of Belgium, Litmus return to London on Saturday > September 12th with a show at the Bull and Gate in Kentish Town. > > There will be projections, strobes, smoke, lasers and a rather long set > covering all three albums and some material that is not on any of them! > > All this for a mere ?6.00 and everything starts at 8pm. > > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 10 15:14:32 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Something like that.....except that your Napoleonic column will be picked apart by their skirmishers and then blown away by the main line appearing from their reverse-slope position. --- On Mon, 10/8/09, trev wrote: From: trev Subject: Re: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 7:50 PM That's because they know that my Napoleonic column with smash through their faltering inexperienced lines...No one can follow Trev and Kev!...You wait 'til that Justin Hawkins get a whiff of us at Moonfest. And my Iggyesque figure will nick all their birds...cough! ...Yes I'm sure that must be it... Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "colinjallen" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 > Not this time! > > On 10 Aug 2009, at 16:03, trev wrote: > > Are Trev and Kev playing too? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Colin Allen" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:47 PM > To: > Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 > > Fresh from their conquest of Belgium, Litmus return to London on Saturday September 12th with a show at the Bull and Gate in Kentish Town. > > There will be projections, strobes, smoke, lasers and a rather long set covering all three albums and some material that is not on any of them! > > All this for a mere ?6.00 and everything starts at 8pm. > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Aug 10 15:16:53 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908101630.n7AGUmra029809@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:30 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:30 AM, M Holmes wrote: >> >>> Mebbe in a millenium or sixty we'll need to watch the thermal budget >>> of >>> how we create energy, but not right now. The problem is increased >>> solar >>> heat, not the heat we're actually producing. >> >> Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with >> their so-called scientific consensus! > > Paul: > > There ain't no consensus that it's the *heat* we produce that's the > problem. There is a *contention* that more solar heat is trapped by > the > *gases* we produce. Again, not if you ask the IPCC. Besides, the sentence, "The problem is increased solar heat, not the heat we're actually producing" heavily implies that climate change is attributable to solar variation and there is consensus in the IPCC against that. Of course, what you write in response to my reply appears to state yet another viewpoint, so it's difficult to know exactly what's being said, so I'll just go off on one and let that be that. :-) > > Let's all try to read what's written before going off on one? Let's try and write more precisely in the future, then. ;-) Cheers, Paul. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 10 15:35:01 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:35:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908050844v2a5ac87wd7a3dc00671ea0cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, mike coleman wrote: > and, global "whining" aside, whats so wonderful about people that even one > more should be allowed birth much less all the cement replacing green things > and wildlife? > go into space? wow > everybody rushing back and forth but going exactly where?? to do what?? I have some sympathy with this point of view on my bad days, but nobody is going to give us dictatorial powers to control the planet's birth rate; humans are going to carry one thinking they're special and trying to achieve immortality by reproduction, and the successful solution for the planet is going to have to be one that runs with that, not one that mourns how awful we all are. Yours, Jon ObCD: _Pick'n'Mix_ Delerium Records sampler -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 10 15:42:39 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:42:39 -0500 Subject: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <3332756860.2373833@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10 Aug 2009, at 12:47, Steve wrote: > Ever hear a band called Flametal? :) Yes! Though I only have one MP3 by them, downloaded from somewhere a couple of years back! Good though! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Mon Aug 10 15:59:15 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:59:15 +0200 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <200908101709.n7AH9F5o003227@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:09:15 +0100, M Holmes wrote > I looked it up for y'all. Now wikipedia isn't exactly academic > references. OTOH this page isn't a kick in the arse from the last > figures I did read. If anyone has anything significantly different > though, let's have a gander... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_energy_budget > > So lessee: > > Solar radiation (incoming) 99.978% > > Geothermal (coming up from underneath): 0.013% > > Fossil fuels (us burning shit): 0.007% > > Nukes will add a little to that, but nothing significant. > > So: Geothermal energy is producing twice the heat we produce and the > Sun is giving Earth something over ten thousand times as much heat > as we're producing. As I said: we have a long way to go before we're > a player in that game. > > For the record, the IPCC (the scientists who worry about global warming > by running computer models about what things might be like in the > future) have *never* *ever* claimed that the heat produced by humans > is a problem. > > They have claimed that human production of waste gases is significantly > or even largely responsible for increasing the proportion of those gases > in the atmosphere and that this causes global warming by trapping > more heat from the Sun. > > Some scientists outside of the IPCC agree that global warming is > happening, but disagree that human industry is a big part of the > reason. Patrick Moore of Sky At Night fame has noted that > temperatures on Mars, Titan and a couple of Jupiter's moons have > also risen. He notes that this is not caused by humans and that he > believes there will be much surprise when one of the solar cycles > turns in the 2030's and things cool down here, meaning that reality > fails to match up to the computer models of the IPCC. > > Relevance to this argument: the original contention was that nuclear > power will increase global warming as a direct result of the heat > produced. Since it'd take us quite a while to ramp up nuclear energy > to anywhere like the energy produced by fossil fuels, and since that > in itself is an insignificant part of the heat budget of the Earth, > I submit that we should find nuclear power Not Guilty and dismiss > the client. > > I now await the summing up on the part of the prosecution. First of all, the problem with all this is that the system's non-linear and very likely chaotic. That means two things: 1) trying to figure out what will happen in the very near future is usually not difficult (the weather tomorrow will be very much like the weather today), but on longer timescales it's not possible anymore. 2) small differences in starting conditions lead to big differences quickly. So adding .0001% energy to the system may just make a big difference very fast. Furthermore, why add to the problem if you don't have to? There's also a political angle to this. Nuclear power means big installations, huge investments, hence big power companies. You might prefer generating your own energy with windmills, solar panels, whatever you fancy. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 17:54:34 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:54:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/10/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, mike coleman wrote: > > and, global "whining" aside, whats so wonderful about people that even one >> more should be allowed birth much less all the cement replacing green >> things >> and wildlife? >> go into space? wow >> everybody rushing back and forth but going exactly where?? to do what?? >> > > I have some sympathy with this point of view on my bad days, but > nobody is going to give us dictatorial powers to control the planet's birth > rate; humans are going to carry one thinking they're special and trying to > achieve immortality by reproduction, and the successful solution for the > planet is going to have to be one that runs with that, not one that mourns > how awful we all are. Yours, > Jon So it's rather like the extraterrestrial presence problem ...we just rely on governments to get rid of it then?? (in this case the unwanted quantity representing the frightening part) and further, how can a a succesful solution "run with that"?? I'm simply saying that even "awful" has it's place, just maybe not spread all over the galaxy -just yet-. at least until everyone on this forum can explain why the green finned demon is so secretive regarding us, has come from the oceans in response to nukes, and is possibly even controlling us..... From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 19:12:21 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:12:21 -0500 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <20090810192955.M71421@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: On 8/10/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > Furthermore, why add to the problem if you don't have to? > > There's also a political angle to this. Nuclear power means big > installations, > huge investments, hence big power companies. You might prefer generating > your > own energy with windmills, solar panels, whatever you fancy. But nukes are just so fun because it drives the UMO occupants insane nukes=flashlights I wonder if they've been up the korean's cavity yet From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 19:15:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:15:37 -0500 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908101612l1649974elb4a5570c176693f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: of course I realize the peaceful use of the technology might not reaise any eyebrows oh wait, do they have any?? I myself do not wish to settle I want what they got the grass is always greener, so they say wait, is seaweed grass?? On 8/10/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 8/10/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >> >> Furthermore, why add to the problem if you don't have to? >> >> There's also a political angle to this. Nuclear power means big >> installations, >> huge investments, hence big power companies. You might prefer generating >> your >> own energy with windmills, solar panels, whatever you fancy. > > > But nukes are just so fun because it drives the UMO occupants insane > nukes=flashlights > I wonder if they've been up the korean's cavity yet > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 10 19:28:34 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:28:34 -0500 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908101615y77807a07i6453b470e1ca36e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I say today was interesting let's all celebrate by checking the batteries in our smoke detectors shall we?? to nukes!!! On 8/10/09, mike coleman wrote: > > of course I realize the peaceful use of the technology might not reaise any > eyebrows > oh wait, do they have any?? > I myself do not wish to settle > I want what they got > the grass is always greener, so they say > wait, is seaweed grass?? > > > On 8/10/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> >> On 8/10/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >>> >>> Furthermore, why add to the problem if you don't have to? >>> >>> There's also a political angle to this. Nuclear power means big >>> installations, >>> huge investments, hence big power companies. You might prefer generating >>> your >>> own energy with windmills, solar panels, whatever you fancy. >> >> >> But nukes are just so fun because it drives the UMO occupants insane >> nukes=flashlights >> I wonder if they've been up the korean's cavity yet >> >> >> > > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Aug 11 05:10:36 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:10:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind Message-ID: Hej Who all played in this very short lived band??? scott From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 06:18:37 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:18:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 06:33:18 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:18 +0100 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:59:15 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Aug 11 06:59:23 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:59:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus - Aurora now available! Message-ID: The new Litmus album, Aurora, is now in-stock at the Litmus on-line shop: http://www.litmusmusic.co.uk and click on "Purchase Litmus Items". From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Tue Aug 11 08:18:22 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:22 +0200 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <200908111033.n7BAXIlc010750@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:18 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > First of all, the problem with all this is that the system's non-linear and > > very likely chaotic. That means two things: 1) trying to figure out what will > > happen in the very near future is usually not difficult (the weather tomorrow > > will be very much like the weather today), but on longer timescales it's not > > possible anymore. > > Realising this should make you about as skeptical concerning predictions > for the next 100 years based on IPCC computer models as I am. Oh, yeah. Just to give an example: theory goes that due to the melting of the Arctic ice, the water in the Arctic will become less salty, and therefore lighter. This may stop the Gulf Stream, leading to a much colder Europe. So far, maybe not so good, but then what? The heat from the tropics will still be dissipated, and probably in the same amount. Only question is, how? More hurricanes/cyclones/typhoons? Something else? Noone knows. > > 2) small differences in starting conditions lead to big > > differences quickly. > > Which is where the Limits to Growth Report blew up. Turns out we didn't > have the mass starvation it predicted. > > So adding .0001% energy to the system may just make a big > > difference very fast. > > I'm not going to do without stereos, air travel or skiing based on > *may*. The Greens will have to bring proof or leave me alone. I do > predict that this will largely be the view of most other people on > the issue, except where being "green" accords with their common > sense anyway. Problem is, Mike, when "may" has become "has", there's no way back anymore. Kinda like smoking and lung cancer. > > Furthermore, why add to the problem if you don't have to? > > Some waste product is an inevitable part of living. If you don't believe > that, try quitting producing your own carbon dioxide and get back to > us on how long that lasted. I already agree that we should reduce pollution > as far as possible, but I don't agree with the cargo-cult thinking of > the deep Greens that we should eliminate it entirely. Again, if you can, why not? > When I buy a house, I'll almost certainly install ground loop heat > exchange and solar panels. I'll still want nuclear power for > industry though. I'm neither against large installations, or even industry > running at a profit. In fact I think profits are laudable and, > absent corruption, measure when someone is doing something > worthwhile. Personally, I'd rather have 100 windmills than one nuclear power plant. When a techie screws up in a nuclear plant, it's offline for weeks, hence no power. When a techie screws up with a windmill, it's also offline for weeks, but still 99% is still available. > The big problems I see with getting some of this sorted are that many > green movements are now run by cultish loonies who want to see economic > growth halted or even reversed, trapping those countries in poverty and > in producing a godawful amount of pollution for a trivial amount of > wealth. Those folks are part of the problem, not a solution. Then > there's the watermelons (green on the outside but the same old reds > in the middle - a channel Four presenter) trying to use it all to > run our lives for us, and attack the US besides. Then there's the > folks who are against new food technology. There are too many folks > with an agenda other than getting this fixed who make a lot of noise > and hijack the discussion. The people who are part of a circus who > travel by jet to whine that we all should quit travelling by jet are > not the least amongst these. Industry isn't interested in fixing it, either. It's not even on their unhidden agenda. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 11 09:02:58 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:02:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908111018.n7BAIbGP008613@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:30 PM, M Holmes wrote: >> >>> Paul Mather writes: >>> >>>> On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:30 AM, M Holmes wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mebbe in a millenium or sixty we'll need to watch the thermal >>>>> budget >>>>> of >>>>> how we create energy, but not right now. The problem is increased >>>>> solar >>>>> heat, not the heat we're actually producing. >>>> >>>> Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with >>>> their so-called scientific consensus! >>> >>> Paul: >>> >>> There ain't no consensus that it's the *heat* we produce that's the >>> problem. There is a *contention* that more solar heat is trapped by >>> the >>> *gases* we produce. >> >> Again, not if you ask the IPCC. > > OK, how about if you come up with a statement from the IPCC that the > heat produced by human industry is a significant factor? Why would I want to do that? >> Besides, the sentence, "The problem >> is increased solar heat, not the heat we're actually producing" >> heavily implies that climate change is attributable to solar >> variation > > It was clear from the context of the discussion that it > was the heat load from nuclear power that was under discussion. No it wasn't. Clear enough for you? > The range of viewpoints here seem to be: > > A) There is no global warming. > B) There's global warming mostly caused by solar cycles or other > astronomical phenomena. > C) There's global warming mostly caused by heat from human industry. > D) There's global warming mostly caused by solar insolation trapped by > gases in the atmosphere mostly generated by geological pehnomena. > E) There's global warming caused by solar insolation trapped by gases > mostly caused by human industry. > It looks almost certain that (B) is a factor > because there are few other ways to explain global warming on other > planets and moons except astronomical phenomenon. This will be almost > certainly one of the solar cycles and therefore Earth is unlikely to > be > immune. It is pretty much acknowledged that (B+geological phenomena) was a major contributor to pre-industrial climate change. However, it is also a consensus that anthropogenic forcing outweighs it when it comes to the last 60 or so years. There have been many papers pointing out the bad data handling in the prominent articles in favour of solar variation. But, old citations die hard. As far as global warming on other planets is concerned, do you think their climates operate similar to ours and so what is causing their global warming must be what is causing ours? > Given that volcanoes do spew out the kinds of gases that are > relevant to the problem, the geophysics of the Earth has to be at > least > partly responsible. The question is whether it's a significant part. > Then there's human industry. It's likely that we produce enough > greenhouse gases to contribute to the problem. What remains to be > determined is how much compared to astronomical and geological > phenomena. We need science to answer that rather than computer models. Are you claiming that computer modelling isn't scientific? The Virginia Bioinformatics Institute and various other research groups here on campus make heavy use of large-scale computer simulation and modelling (large-scale network simulations; epidemiological analyses; etc.) and they would argue very, VERY vociferously that what they are doing is science. > My skepticism as to the usefulness of models stems from the Club of > Rome > Report: The Limits to Growth. This model drove a lot of apocalyptic > warnings drummed into us when we were at school. You know, modelling and simulation has come on a bit since you were a lad. Besides, since when do you damn an entire field just because of one rotten apple? That sounds either like cherry-picking your data or, um..., being unscientific. > Then there's my own hobby, macroeconomic finance. I've watched the > modellers assert for over a decade that this and that model proves > that > this or the other financial derivative is completely safe and hedged > and > that moreover, their spread increased the stability of the whole > financial system. This was utterly contrary to my understanding of > things and as anticipated, things went to hell in a handbasket as > these > contracts turned out to have worth only as toilet paper. But isn't this exactly how science works? You formulate a hypothesis and come up with a theory that you think explains it. If, down the road, the actual data disprove your theory then you either have to junk it or modify it, but it doesn't mean the underlying method is bad. It's a process that doesn't hold any given theory sacrosanct. That's what the creationists and intelligent design folks can't seem to grasp. It seems to me that what you're describing above is simply people advocating a theory that hasn't been rigourously enough tested, but that is a fault of human nature, not, ultimately, of modelling or science. > So now we have the IPCC making apocalyptic predictions for 100 years > out > based on computer models. Moreover, when NASA takes atmospheric and > sea > temperature measurements to match up against these predictions, they > don't seem to predict very much accurately even for what's happening > now. You'll pardon me for skepticism. I'm going to go with the actual > science as real things are measured. But that, too, doesn't appear very helpful. The NASA measurements tell you what is happening now, and, if you look back at the record, what has happened in the past. But those data on their own don't tell you anything about the future. (Prediction is a necessary component of the scientific method.) So, given you believe climate change is happening, how do you propose to theorise about the future state of the climate? Watch and wait? > That said, I've recycled my shit for as long as there's been > recycling. > I make do and mend where possible, and even enjoy it. I've cycled to > school, university and work for my entire life so far. I don't think > it's a good idea for folks to shit on their own doorstep. It's the > sort > of behaviour that comes back to bite you. So I do think the human race > should set about cleaning up its shit. I think we should do it because > it's a sound idea rather than because we should worry about > apocalyptic > predictions of computer geeks. This is rather frightening but, on that, both you and I agree both in theory and practice 100%. I had better stop before we find ourselves agreeing more. >;-) Cheers, Paul. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 09:28:27 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:28:27 +0100 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:22 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 10:02:29 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:02:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Tue Aug 11 10:27:18 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:27:18 +0200 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <200908111328.n7BDSRc1029602@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:28:27 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > Some waste product is an inevitable part of living. If you don't believe > > > that, try quitting producing your own carbon dioxide and get back to > > > us on how long that lasted. I already agree that we should reduce pollution > > > as far as possible, but I don't agree with the cargo-cult thinking of > > > the deep Greens that we should eliminate it entirely. > > > Again, if you can, why not? > > We can't. No, you won't. > > Personally, I'd rather have 100 windmills than one nuclear power > > plant. > > Personally, I'll be the last to stop you buidling them. There's no > reason why you can't get windmills and I can't get nukes. Windmills don't pollute. > A useful feature, as is the fact that nuclear fission will still give > you power on a still day. The most sound plan is to have a variety of > sources. Fission won't be here for quite some time, all sorts of solar power are here today. > > Industry isn't interested in fixing it, either. It's not even on their > > unhidden agenda. > > One of my chums is a lawyer involved in drawing contracts for pollution > lets. She tells me that industry are the most keen to get it all > tied down so that: > > A) There's a level playing field across industry within Britian and > indeed across the EU and the world (as far as can be achieved). > In the marcoeconomics press, I've seen similar stories from the US. > > B) They can factors the costs of pollution lets into their strategic > planning. > > Industry is onboard and already have bought bits of Scottish forest and > whatnot in order to be ready for lets trading. Her take is that it's > the politicians who are going slow on this because it's going to be hard > to sell to their constituents that they'll have to pay more for > stuff in order to reduce pollution. Industry is interested in making money. If they can make a profit by reducing pollution, they'll go for that. If they can make more money by dumping, that's what they'll do. Industry will only react (they won't act) to financial incentives. It's just the nature of the beast. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 11 11:30:52 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:30:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <299310.92168.qm@web26902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Because, going round in circles again on this discussion (sorry!), Space > Ritual is a defined band with a defined line-up that's not the line-up > of the Hawklords project... Oh come on. Space Ritual's not only had more line-ups than Hawklords ever did, it's had more *names* (.net...) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 11 11:34:09 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:34:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Online backups (was: Re: HW: Alien Autopsy) In-Reply-To: <4A7B4D75.3070909@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Jerry G wrote: > I thought I came across something about IBM doing some research in that area > a while back. How's that Bevis Frond album sound? I really need to grab some > more of their CD's. > > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _What Did for the Dinosaurs_ It's pretty good, this one, loads of excellent tracks and some rampant silliness, though somewhat inaccessibly bracketed by a two-part piece at beginning and end that veers closer to melancholic self-pity prog than most of the Frond's work. Still, good one to get if you can get hold of it, but it was a Woronzow one so that could be problematic. The early stuff has been reissued on, er, Rubric? in the States however, so if you don't have _New River Head_ that is absolutely the place to start. Then _Triptych_. Or so I reckon anyway. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Aug 11 11:37:11 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:37:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Everytime I've seen Space Ritual lately they've had the same line-up, and it doesn't include Harvey Bainbridge, Alan Davey, Adrian Shaw or Steve Swindells, so it's a different project/band to the Hawklords project. Ian ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:30:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Because, going round in circles again on this discussion (sorry!), Space Ritual is a defined band with a defined line-up that's not the line-up of the Hawklords project... ??? Oh come on. Space Ritual's not only had more line-ups than Hawklords ever did, it's had more *names* (.net...) Yours, ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Jon --? ? ? Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge? ? jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ? ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man.? With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Aug 11 11:38:53 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:38:53 -0500 Subject: HW auctions Message-ID: Just in, Hawkwind is auctioning the rights to film and distribute the 40th anniversary DVD, and there is also a charity autographed guitar I blame Wilfried http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300336614926&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290338659551&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT *Von:* mike coleman [mailto:insect.brain at gmail.com] *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 11. August 2009 10:50 *An:* Wilfried Schuesler *Betreff:* thank you thank you so much this way I can deal with him but not fuck up shit what's with these robot sellers no time for ebay trouble now thank you to bed I go (again) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 11:48:39 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:48:39 +0100 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:27:18 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Aug 11 11:54:51 2009 From: david.hall6800 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:54:51 +0100 Subject: Anyone record Edinburgh? In-Reply-To: <200908051450.n75EoNUp012722@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike I'll try and get a copy from him and give it a listen. Will advise - what have you got on yours? Regards Dave ---- M Holmes wrote: > Dave Hall writes: > > > Mike My pal has more than half the gig recorded then the power went! A > > jinx, a hex - who knows! did you take a note of the set list. I'll > > get you a copy of the gig if we have more than you! > > Dave, > > Any news on this? I'm keen to try to merge his recording with mine and > get the whole gig. Free copies to all parties of course. > > Let me know... > > Cheers > > Mike > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Tue Aug 11 12:09:07 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:09:07 +0200 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <200908111548.n7BFmd6r020109@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:48:39 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:28:27 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > > > Some waste product is an inevitable part of living. If you don't believe > > > > > that, try quitting producing your own carbon dioxide and get back to > > > > > us on how long that lasted. I already agree that we should reduce pollution > > > > > as far as possible, but I don't agree with the cargo-cult thinking of > > > > > the deep Greens that we should eliminate it entirely. > > > > > > > Again, if you can, why not? > > > > > > We can't. > > > > No, you won't. > > NO. We *cannot*. You consistantly fail to read "if you can". That's why I said: you won't. > > > A useful feature, as is the fact that nuclear fission will still give > > > you power on a still day. The most sound plan is to have a variety of > > > sources. > > > Fission won't be here for quite some time, all sorts of solar power are here > > today. > > You mean fusion, and sadly I agree. I'm optimistic we'll get there > though and in the meantime some appropriate use of solar would be a good > idea. Sorry, you're right. But if you use windmills to pump up water, you can produce electricity on a still day. > We can't though power the globe at it's current level (never mind > when the rest of the world gets as rich as we are) with solar > without effectively covering every desert with panels. Doing that > would create a hell of a lot of pollution both in producing the > panels and in getting them to the deserts. Then there's the ongoing > maintenance. Yup. But mining uranium ain't eco-friendly either... And as energy consumption goes, we need to cut back on that, too. > > Industry is interested in making money. If they can make a profit by reducing > > pollution, they'll go for that. > > Exactly so, and the idea of settng up global trading in pollution > lets is to enable them to profit by reducing pollution. Economics is > about getting the incentives set up properly. I'm the sceptic here: so far, global trading in CO2 is only an excuse for the West to keep on pumping out the stuff. The same will happen with pollution. It ain't gonna fly. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 11 12:14:40 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:14:40 +0000 Subject: rare copy of Sloterdijk Integration CD on Ebay.de ( and 8/14 gig reminder ) Message-ID: check it out: http://cgi.ebay.de/Sloterdijk-Integration-Hawkwind-CD_W0QQitemZ370242462689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZB%C3%BCcher_Unterhaltung_Music_CDs?hash=item56342ba3e1 Cheers! Mike August 14th: Mike Burro with Stewkey of NAZZ, plus 2 other acts: Great Organic Food, BYOB, Rare and Hard to Find Vinyl & CDs and more!!! http://www.prlog.org/10276498.html http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 11 12:24:51 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:24:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908111402.n7BE2TTI003389@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:02 AM, M Holmes wrote: >>>>> There ain't no consensus that it's the *heat* we produce that's >>>>> the >>>>> problem. There is a *contention* that more solar heat is trapped >>>>> by >>>>> the >>>>> *gases* we produce. >>>> >>>> Again, not if you ask the IPCC. >>> >>> OK, how about if you come up with a statement from the IPCC that the >>> heat produced by human industry is a significant factor? >> >> Why would I want to do that? > > This is how argument works. You make a claim. You get asked to back it > up. That's all fine and well if I made the claim you claim I made. But, as I didn't, it's reasonable for me to ask why I should go to a lot of effort to come up with a statement from the IPCC on something I never claimed they advocated. :-) > Did you read the prior context? I.E the part about the heat produced > by > nuclear power? I did, but, like I said, the context was not clear to me. It was obviously clear to you, the author, but that problem happens a lot (to me, too), when authors know exactly what it is they mean but fail to convey that sufficiently in the words they set down. :-) (Of course, part of the problem may have been attributable to me not paying sufficiently close attention.;) >> It is pretty much acknowledged that (B+geological phenomena) was a >> major contributor to pre-industrial climate change. However, it is >> also a consensus that anthropogenic forcing outweighs it when it >> comes >> to the last 60 or so years. > > I see a consensus that global warming exists. I see only an argument > about > how much humans contribute to it. Well, that's a tricky semantic argument. If a non-human source contributes greatly to warming, but humans kick-started it into play, can we say that is a human contribution to warming or a natural one? An example of this might be methane deposits that could be released en masse into the atmosphere given a sufficient rise (4-5 degrees?) in global temperatures. Such an increase in methane could further greatly exacerbate warming, driving up global temperatures extensively. If humans tip the equilibrium such that the methane release is triggered, do you say the final warming is contributed by humans or is natural? Other than the semantics above, it was my understanding that the IPCC did have a consensus that global warming existed and that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations attributable to human activity is responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since about the 1950s (and that solar radiation and vulcanism are responsible for much of the warming prior to that). Note at http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig6-6.htm the relatively small contribution attributed to warming by the IPCC of solar (on the far right of the chart) compared to greenhouse gases (on the far left). >> Are you claiming that computer modelling isn't scientific? > > Nope. I'm claiming that they're only as good as the model and that > there > will be differences between the model and what happens in reality. The > longer period of time you try to predict using the model, the more > those > predictions will be at variance with reality. > > I'm also warning that we've had apocalyptic predictions from models > before. The risk from making these warnings based on models is that > once > there's a public perception that the models don't work (as happened > with > the Club of Rome and more recently with the financial "quants"), your > entire thesis is going to go down the plughole with it. obFlippancy: In that case, the models work, it's just they don't predict reality. Garbage In, Garbage Out. ;-) > Suppose global warming is caused by humans and a couple of years down > the line these models are shown to predict nonsense (we've already got > discrepancies between what they predict for ocean and atmospheric > temperatures and what NASA have measured). The public may, in > exasperation, wash its hands of the whole idea and it will be > impossible > to carry them politically to attack the real problem. I agree with this entirely. Science reporting is generally woefully poor (Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" column aside:) and there is a tendency for several reasons to sensationalise results and present them out of correct context or lacking disclaimers. This will tend to erode the public's faith in the science, making it, as you say, impossible to muster the political will to attack the problem. Then, to compound this, excessive doomsaying by reporters and other publicity organs and vested interests will also foster a general feeling of helplessness amongst the general public, causing many to consider the problem unsolvable and so not worth doing anything about. That will also crush any chance of mobilising the political will to do anything. >>> So now we have the IPCC making apocalyptic predictions for 100 years >>> out >>> based on computer models. Moreover, when NASA takes atmospheric and >>> sea >>> temperature measurements to match up against these predictions, they >>> don't seem to predict very much accurately even for what's happening >>> now. You'll pardon me for skepticism. I'm going to go with the >>> actual >>> science as real things are measured. >> >> But that, too, doesn't appear very helpful. The NASA measurements >> tell you what is happening now, and, if you look back at the record, >> what has happened in the past. But those data on their own don't >> tell >> you anything about the future. (Prediction is a necessary component >> of the scientific method.) So, given you believe climate change is >> happening, how do you propose to theorise about the future state of >> the climate? Watch and wait? > > Make more measurements of the three contributors. Try and come up with > better theories and models. Test them against the measurements, and > for > Eris's sake, shut the fuck up with the apocalypse stuff. Sooner or > later > people are going to get sick of it and then it will be politically > impossible to get anything done. > > Meanwhile, let's try some geo-engineering experminets to see hwat will > work to alleviate warming (whatever the source, if it works it works) > and try a bit harder to get trading in pollution lets up and running > so > that it's in the interest of everyone's bottom line to cut pollution > either where they are, or somewhere where it's even worse. I agree with that. Every little bit helps. And, remember, individual action can accomplish a lot. But then you know that. Cheers, Paul. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 13:33:47 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:33:47 +0100 Subject: Anyone record Edinburgh? In-Reply-To: Dave Hall's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:54:51 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 13:37:18 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:18 +0100 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:09:07 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 11 13:51:44 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:51:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Aug 11 17:10:48 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Online backups (was: Re: HW: Alien Autopsy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _What Did for the Dinosaurs_ > > It's pretty good, this one, loads of excellent tracks and some > rampant silliness, though somewhat inaccessibly bracketed by a > two-part piece at beginning and end that veers closer to melancholic > self-pity prog than most of the Frond's work. Still, good one to get > if you can get hold of it, but it was a Woronzow one so that could be > problematic. The early stuff has been reissued on, er, Rubric? in the > States however, so if you don't have _New River Head_ that is > absolutely the place to start. Then _Triptych_. Or so I reckon anyway. > Yours, > Jon I have New River Head and the Auntie Winnie album. Seems there's one or two more, but I'll have to dig around to see for sure. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Aug 11 18:09:23 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:09:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond was I forgot already Message-ID: On 8/11/09, Jerry G wrote: > > > > I have New River Head and the Auntie Winnie album. Seems there's one or > two more, > but I'll have to dig around to see for sure. > Have they ever put Bevis and Twink 'Magic Eye" on CD yet? I want that From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Aug 11 20:12:24 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:12:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908111402.n7BE2TTI003389@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: a lot of this is way over my head, I only want to relate, that the weather in New England has been very strange over the past few years, our winters are warmer, and summers rainier and cooler. It's weird, I don't like it, it feels all wrong. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > >>> There ain't no consensus that it's the *heat* we produce that's the > >>> problem. There is a *contention* that more solar heat is trapped by > >>> the > >>> *gases* we produce. > >> > >> Again, not if you ask the IPCC. > > > > OK, how about if you come up with a statement from the IPCC that the > > heat produced by human industry is a significant factor? > > Why would I want to do that? This is how argument works. You make a claim. You get asked to back it up. > >> Besides, the sentence, "The problem > >> is increased solar heat, not the heat we're actually producing" > >> heavily implies that climate change is attributable to solar > >> variation > > > > It was clear from the context of the discussion that it > > was the heat load from nuclear power that was under discussion. > > No it wasn't. > > Clear enough for you? Did you read the prior context? I.E the part about the heat produced by nuclear power? > > The range of viewpoints here seem to be: > > > > A) There is no global warming. > > B) There's global warming mostly caused by solar cycles or other > > astronomical phenomena. > > C) There's global warming mostly caused by heat from human industry. > > D) There's global warming mostly caused by solar insolation trapped by > > gases in the atmosphere mostly generated by geological pehnomena. > > E) There's global warming caused by solar insolation trapped by gases > > mostly caused by human industry. > > It looks almost certain that (B) is a factor > > because there are few other ways to explain global warming on other > > planets and moons except astronomical phenomenon. This will be almost > > certainly one of the solar cycles and therefore Earth is unlikely to > > be > > immune. > It is pretty much acknowledged that (B+geological phenomena) was a > major contributor to pre-industrial climate change. However, it is > also a consensus that anthropogenic forcing outweighs it when it comes > to the last 60 or so years. I see a consensus that global warming exists. I see only an argument about how much humans contribute to it. What I also see is that the data isn't yet in. We need some space probes to better analyse how the Sun works. We need space probes to investigate the extent of warming elsewwhere in the solar system. We need space probes and other measures to analyse the extent of geological versus human contribution. It's a real shame that a probe to do that just failed to reach orbit. > There have been many papers pointing out > the bad data handling in the prominent articles in favour of solar > variation. But, old citations die hard. True, just as there have been papers analysing the more spurious claims by te other side. What is a fact though is that the Sun is a variable star and that we do not totally understand how its various cycles work and how they might affect all this. The only way to change that is to do the science. Computer models may have a contribution to make, but they're no substitute for measurement. > As far as global warming on other planets is concerned, do you think > their climates operate similar to ours For some, there are some similarities, but the differences will undoubtedly be much greater. It seems unlikely to me that both Titan and Mars would suddenly get warmer without something external to both being the cause. That cause is just about certain to be something to do with the Sun. > and so what is causing their > global warming must be what is causing ours? I'd only go as far as to say that if the Sun is causing warming at both, it is likely to be causing some warming here. There's no substitute though for getting kit out there to actually do some measurements. > > Given that volcanoes do spew out the kinds of gases that are > > relevant to the problem, the geophysics of the Earth has to be at > > least > > partly responsible. The question is whether it's a significant part. > > Then there's human industry. It's likely that we produce enough > > greenhouse gases to contribute to the problem. What remains to be > > determined is how much compared to astronomical and geological > > phenomena. We need science to answer that rather than computer models. > Are you claiming that computer modelling isn't scientific? Nope. I'm claiming that they're only as good as the model and that there will be differences between the model and what happens in reality. The longer period of time you try to predict using the model, the more those predictions will be at variance with reality. I'm also warning that we've had apocalyptic predictions from models before. The risk from making these warnings based on models is that once there's a public perception that the models don't work (as happened with the Club of Rome and more recently with the financial "quants"), your entire thesis is going to go down the plughole with it. Suppose global warming is caused by humans and a couple of years down the line these models are shown to predict nonsense (we've already got discrepancies between what they predict for ocean and atmospheric temperatures and what NASA have measured). The public may, in exasperation, wash its hands of the whole idea and it will be impossible to carry them politically to attack the real problem. > The > Virginia Bioinformatics Institute and various other research groups > here on campus make heavy use of large-scale computer simulation and > modelling (large-scale network simulations; epidemiological analyses; > etc.) and they would argue very, VERY vociferously that what they are > doing is science. Ask them to tell us how many avian-flu cases there will be 100 years from now. If they're honest, they'll tell you it can't be done. > > My skepticism as to the usefulness of models stems from the Club of > > Rome > > Report: The Limits to Growth. This model drove a lot of apocalyptic > > warnings drummed into us when we were at school. > You know, modelling and simulation has come on a bit since you were a > lad. Yeah. There are folks in this very street working on 'em. > Besides, since when do you damn an entire field just because of > one rotten apple? That sounds either like cherry-picking your data > or, um..., being unscientific. I'm not trying to damn the whole field. I am trying to encourage skepticism. Run the models, but test them against reality early and often. Go with reality where the measurements vary with the model. be very doubtful of predictions 100 years out. We can do that with orbital mechanics (in very simple systems) and with simple radiation decay. For the weather though, I think we need to be rather more bashful in our claims. > > Then there's my own hobby, macroeconomic finance. I've watched the > > modellers assert for over a decade that this and that model proves > > that > > this or the other financial derivative is completely safe and hedged > > and > > that moreover, their spread increased the stability of the whole > > financial system. This was utterly contrary to my understanding of > > things and as anticipated, things went to hell in a handbasket as > > these > > contracts turned out to have worth only as toilet paper. > > But isn't this exactly how science works? You formulate a hypothesis > and come up with a theory that you think explains it. If, down the > road, the actual data disprove your theory then you either have to > junk it or modify it, but it doesn't mean the underlying method is > bad. It's a process that doesn't hold any given theory sacrosanct. > That's what the creationists and intelligent design folks can't seem > to grasp. Indeed. > It seems to me that what you're describing above is simply people > advocating a theory that hasn't been rigourously enough tested, but > that is a fault of human nature, not, ultimately, of modelling or > science. It's not the science of what they're up to I have a beef with. It's the politics of their never-ending "global warming" roadshow. You and I have bothbeen around the science community long enough to know that certain fads take off. They then gather a scientific fan base and garner grants. AIDS has been like that for a couple of decades and cancer research for longer. Global warming is a more recent one. They play a great deal of politics to get governmeent grants and making apocalyptic predictions for 100 years out is a part of that. The more honest of them though, on the quiet, would say just what I am: you can't predict the weather 100 years from now using a computer model. The rest isn't science, it's hucksterism for cash. > > So now we have the IPCC making apocalyptic predictions for 100 years > > out > > based on computer models. Moreover, when NASA takes atmospheric and > > sea > > temperature measurements to match up against these predictions, they > > don't seem to predict very much accurately even for what's happening > > now. You'll pardon me for skepticism. I'm going to go with the actual > > science as real things are measured. > > But that, too, doesn't appear very helpful. The NASA measurements > tell you what is happening now, and, if you look back at the record, > what has happened in the past. But those data on their own don't tell > you anything about the future. (Prediction is a necessary component > of the scientific method.) So, given you believe climate change is > happening, how do you propose to theorise about the future state of > the climate? Watch and wait? Make more measurements of the three contributors. Try and come up with better theories and models. Test them against the measurements, and for Eris's sake, shut the fuck up with the apocalypse stuff. Sooner or later people are going to get sick of it and then it will be politically impossible to get anything done. Meanwhile, let's try some geo-engineering experminets to see hwat will work to alleviate warming (whatever the source, if it works it works) and try a bit harder to get trading in pollution lets up and running so that it's in the interest of everyone's bottom line to cut pollution either where they are, or somewhere where it's even worse. > > That said, I've recycled my shit for as long as there's been > > recycling. > > I make do and mend where possible, and even enjoy it. I've cycled to > > school, university and work for my entire life so far. I don't think > > it's a good idea for folks to shit on their own doorstep. It's the > > sort > > of behaviour that comes back to bite you. So I do think the human race > > should set about cleaning up its shit. I think we should do it because > > it's a sound idea rather than because we should worry about > > apocalyptic > > predictions of computer geeks. > > This is rather frightening but, on that, both you and I agree both in > theory and practice 100%. I had better stop before we find ourselves > agreeing more. >;-) Modulo my expressive brand of cynicism, I don't think we're all that far apart on all this either. One of these fine days, thee and me will no doubt agree violently over several pints... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Aug 11 20:22:27 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:22:27 -0400 Subject: Earth's heat budget In-Reply-To: <20090811141722.M89275@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: It's a real shame that more wasn't done 30 years ago with solar power. A friend went to school and got an engineering degree and found there was no market for his skills with solar energy. He worked for a nuc. plant for a while, and was a whistle blower in getting the Shoreham plant in Long Island closed. Of course, after that, he couldn't get a job in the energy field since he was black listed. People laugh at me, because I don't like even using a microwave. While on tour, in '90, those of us on the crew bus made some brownies, Dave came on the bus, and as soon as he realized something was being microwaved he was off the bus faster than you could say "Hawkwind." The brownies were very tasty, and we were a few miles from the Canadian border, and 1 of the guys from the crew realized he still had a brownie, and nobody else wanted it. Well, it was a real tough job, but somebody had to consume that little treat, and it was real nice. I'd rather have the windmills though. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Arjan Hulsebos Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:27 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Earth's heat budget On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:28:27 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > Some waste product is an inevitable part of living. If you don't believe > > > that, try quitting producing your own carbon dioxide and get back to > > > us on how long that lasted. I already agree that we should reduce pollution > > > as far as possible, but I don't agree with the cargo-cult thinking of > > > the deep Greens that we should eliminate it entirely. > > > Again, if you can, why not? > > We can't. No, you won't. > > Personally, I'd rather have 100 windmills than one nuclear power > > plant. > > Personally, I'll be the last to stop you buidling them. There's no > reason why you can't get windmills and I can't get nukes. Windmills don't pollute. > A useful feature, as is the fact that nuclear fission will still give > you power on a still day. The most sound plan is to have a variety of > sources. Fission won't be here for quite some time, all sorts of solar power are here today. > > Industry isn't interested in fixing it, either. It's not even on their > > unhidden agenda. > > One of my chums is a lawyer involved in drawing contracts for pollution > lets. She tells me that industry are the most keen to get it all > tied down so that: > > A) There's a level playing field across industry within Britian and > indeed across the EU and the world (as far as can be achieved). > In the marcoeconomics press, I've seen similar stories from the US. > > B) They can factors the costs of pollution lets into their strategic > planning. > > Industry is onboard and already have bought bits of Scottish forest and > whatnot in order to be ready for lets trading. Her take is that it's > the politicians who are going slow on this because it's going to be hard > to sell to their constituents that they'll have to pay more for > stuff in order to reduce pollution. Industry is interested in making money. If they can make a profit by reducing pollution, they'll go for that. If they can make more money by dumping, that's what they'll do. Industry will only react (they won't act) to financial incentives. It's just the nature of the beast. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 06:03:55 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:55 +0300 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <958901.33678.qm@web26902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You nust mean the Space Ritual which produced the album, featuring Dave Anderson. It is true that Nik recorded as "Nik Turner's Space Ritual" (also sometimes billed as "Hawkwind") with a very different line up. The real Hawlwords didn't feature Nik or Alan but +did+ include Bob Calvert and Dave Brock :) Jonathan On 11/08/2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Everytime I've seen Space Ritual lately they've had the same line-up, and it > doesn't include Harvey Bainbridge, Alan Davey, Adrian Shaw or Steve > Swindells, so it's a different project/band to the Hawklords project. > > Ian > > > ________________________________ > From: Jonathan Jarrett > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:30:52 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > >> Because, going round in circles again on this discussion (sorry!), Space >> Ritual is a defined band with a defined line-up that's not the line-up of >> the Hawklords project... > > ??? Oh come on. Space Ritual's not only had more line-ups than Hawklords > ever did, it's had more *names* (.net...) Yours, > ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Jon > > --? ? ? Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge? ? jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ? ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man.? With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" > ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Robert Anton Wilson > > From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Aug 12 06:19:08 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:19:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords In-Reply-To: <39dabad60908120303x490b37a8h1380e5ed20a4d750@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, not being pedantic, but I did know that (I checked it in a really good biography - still available!!) and did think it was pretty clear that I was talking about the current band known as 'Space Ritual' and contrasting with the current band going under the 'Hawklords' by-line as a response as to why the 'current' Space Ritual and the 'current' Hawklords are different bands. Ian ________________________________ From: Jonathan Smith To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:03:55 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords You nust mean the Space Ritual which produced the album, featuring Dave Anderson. It is true that Nik recorded as "Nik Turner's Space Ritual" (also sometimes billed as "Hawkwind") with a very different line up. The real Hawlwords didn't feature Nik or Alan but +did+ include Bob Calvert and Dave Brock :) Jonathan On 11/08/2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Everytime I've seen Space Ritual lately they've had the same line-up, and it > doesn't include Harvey Bainbridge, Alan Davey, Adrian Shaw or Steve > Swindells, so it's a different project/band to the Hawklords project. > > Ian > > > ________________________________ > From: Jonathan Jarrett > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:30:52 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > >> Because, going round in circles again on this discussion (sorry!), Space >> Ritual is a defined band with a defined line-up that's not the line-up of >> the Hawklords project... > > ??? Oh come on. Space Ritual's not only had more line-ups than Hawklords > ever did, it's had more *names* (.net...) Yours, > ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? Jon > > --? ? ? Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge? ? jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ? ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man.? With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" > ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Robert Anton Wilson > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 12 09:14:05 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:14:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: if you don't buy it..i'm gonna kill meself In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908020441h29a3bdd9p31696dde08a23b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, mike coleman wrote: > you think YOU got problems?? > I have become so rebellious with every inhalation that I'm attracting the > opposite sex > this wasn't accounted for Having had the chance, in my underspent life, to be unattractive and attractive to the opposite sex by turns, I think I'm pretty certain that being attractive is the lesser of the two evils... Yours, Jon ObCD: Blue ??yster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 16:55:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:55:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/11/09, mary wrote: > > a lot of this is way over my head, Yes and that is unfortunate, true, but understandable. and forgivable, and even tolerable considering we are dealing with a varied group....we've got some fairly educated men along with a couple non-human intelligences exerting influence (who have even been known to take human form at Hawkwind gigs), some of which would lead you to your nemesis, and others who would help you while still more are indifferent.....I love messing with the aliens by reminding them I know about them.....(of course, it's uncertain just how much data they have so far about my own nature but probably not much beyond using Hawkwind like they do) I think if you just stay out of their way, or use humor, since I doubt trying to confuse them is in your league, you'll be OK so long as you follow the one golden rule of the thread...NEVER actually speak about the Big Green gathering....that's it.....and remember the weather is also over your head From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 12 18:41:12 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:41:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: <1DE88795-080F-44FD-9971-AB7414FCFDCC@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: >> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu > > Are they still going, then? :) Just for reference, it seems so: http://www.fu-manchu.com/funews.html New album called _Signs of Infinite Power_ due before year end, indeed. Also, more relevantly, NEW CLUTCH! http://www.pro-rock.com/ It has the most impossibly complex digipak cover ever made (probably). I only found out its existence from housemate Clare's copy tonight so haven't yet heard it but the fact that one track title is `50,000 Unstoppable Watts' and another `Sleestak Lightning' encourages me. So, now you all know too, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 19:01:32 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:01:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908111402.n7BE2TTI003389@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> <17d80c610908121355x265a7b79l2c496f79cd1d59dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: for gods sake...make him shuttup...shuttup...shuttup -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:55 PM To: Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > On 8/11/09, mary wrote: >> >> a lot of this is way over my head, > > > Yes and that is unfortunate, true, but understandable. and forgivable, and > even tolerable considering we are dealing with a varied group....we've got > some fairly educated men along with a couple non-human intelligences > exerting influence (who have even been known to take human form at > Hawkwind > gigs), some of which would lead you to your nemesis, and others who would > help you while still more are indifferent.....I love messing with the > aliens > by reminding them I know about them.....(of course, it's uncertain just > how > much data they have so far about my own nature but probably not much > beyond > using Hawkwind like they do) > I think if you just stay out of their way, or use humor, since I doubt > trying to confuse them is in your league, you'll be OK so long as you > follow > the one golden rule of the thread...NEVER actually speak about the Big > Green > gathering....that's it.....and remember the weather is also over your head > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 19:11:59 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:11:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh still bitter are we?? need help and can't do it yourself OK, I'll kill you again and again until you learn to wear your death Why do you treat me this way when all my plans for your conquest were rock solid (unsure if this is a pun) Carl even tried to loan his foresight On 8/12/09, trev wrote: > > for gods sake...make him shuttup...shuttup...shuttup > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:55 PM > To: > Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from > police and local council. > > On 8/11/09, mary wrote: >> >>> >>> a lot of this is way over my head, >>> >> >> >> Yes and that is unfortunate, true, but understandable. and forgivable, and >> even tolerable considering we are dealing with a varied group....we've got >> some fairly educated men along with a couple non-human intelligences >> exerting influence (who have even been known to take human form at >> Hawkwind >> gigs), some of which would lead you to your nemesis, and others who would >> help you while still more are indifferent.....I love messing with the >> aliens >> by reminding them I know about them.....(of course, it's uncertain just >> how >> much data they have so far about my own nature but probably not much >> beyond >> using Hawkwind like they do) >> I think if you just stay out of their way, or use humor, since I doubt >> trying to confuse them is in your league, you'll be OK so long as you >> follow >> the one golden rule of the thread...NEVER actually speak about the Big >> Green >> gathering....that's it.....and remember the weather is also over your head >> >> From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 19:22:24 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:22:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908121611m29313d6bo6289787f9dca9b4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: woah I just that of a NASTY way to pit you directly against FoFP, but I think I'll just shittup instead until you must beg for it like the wonderful alien parasite in brain damage sooner or later you'll have to put me on the back of your neck again On 8/12/09, mike coleman wrote: > > oh still bitter are we?? > need help and can't do it yourself > OK, I'll kill you again > and again until you learn to wear your death > Why do you treat me this way when all my plans for your conquest were rock > solid (unsure if this is a pun) > Carl even tried to loan his foresight > > > > > On 8/12/09, trev wrote: >> >> for gods sake...make him shuttup...shuttup...shuttup >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:55 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from >> police and local council. >> >> On 8/11/09, mary wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> a lot of this is way over my head, >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yes and that is unfortunate, true, but understandable. and forgivable, >>> and >>> even tolerable considering we are dealing with a varied group....we've >>> got >>> some fairly educated men along with a couple non-human intelligences >>> exerting influence (who have even been known to take human form at >>> Hawkwind >>> gigs), some of which would lead you to your nemesis, and others who would >>> help you while still more are indifferent.....I love messing with the >>> aliens >>> by reminding them I know about them.....(of course, it's uncertain just >>> how >>> much data they have so far about my own nature but probably not much >>> beyond >>> using Hawkwind like they do) >>> I think if you just stay out of their way, or use humor, since I doubt >>> trying to confuse them is in your league, you'll be OK so long as you >>> follow >>> the one golden rule of the thread...NEVER actually speak about the Big >>> Green >>> gathering....that's it.....and remember the weather is also over your >>> head >>> >>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 12 19:36:14 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:36:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hehehe see Trev, I don't even have to know about that which I speak that's right, there's that band I may have never heard What's with you and all these women Jon anyway, I have to pusish Trev by leaving him naked in the pool so ya'll (I can say that) got my addy if you care to discuss why ocean faring aliens would borrow the cheshire cat from the fighters of the day (amongst other things) in an obviously only half-hearted camoflauge attempt bye On 8/12/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: >> >>> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu >>> >> >> Are they still going, then? :) >> > > Just for reference, it seems so: > http://www.fu-manchu.com/funews.html > > New album called _Signs of Infinite Power_ due before year end, indeed. > > Also, more relevantly, NEW CLUTCH! > > http://www.pro-rock.com/ > > It has the most impossibly complex digipak cover ever made (probably). I > only found out its existence from housemate Clare's copy tonight so haven't > yet heard it but the fact that one track title is `50,000 Unstoppable Watts' > and another `Sleestak Lightning' encourages me. So, now you all know too, > yours, > Jon > > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Aug 13 08:44:23 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:44:23 +0000 Subject: final reminder: Mike Burro ( Sloterdijk ) & Stewkey ( of NAZZ ) tomorrow 8/14 Message-ID: Rare copy of Sloterdijk's 'Integration CD' located in Worms Germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/Sloterdijk-Integration-Hawkwind-CD_W0QQitemZ370242462689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZB%C3%BCcher_Unterhaltung_Music_CDs?hash=item56342ba3e1 Cheers! Mike August 14th: Mike Burro with Stewkey of NAZZ, plus 2 other acts: Great Organic Food, BYOB, Rare and Hard to Find Vinyl & CDs and more!!! http://www.prlog.org/10276498.html http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 13 01:14:47 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:14:47 EDT Subject: Earth's heat budget--Thorium Message-ID: For all you cowboys in Hawkland...she's a real hot tip..see her body pressed back on the whirling whip... THPW..OTCBR...( BUY NOW...she's your baby dude)...hahahahahaha...bet the farm bill From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Aug 13 11:03:07 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:03:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12 Aug 2009, at 17:41, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: >>> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu >> Are they still going, then? :) > > Just for reference, it seems so: > http://www.fu-manchu.com/funews.html > New album called _Signs of Infinite Power_ due before year end, > indeed. Good title, at least. :) I admit that I was one of those left thinking "hmmm" on California Crossing, and haven't really followed the band since. Still, I guess they've cranked out a steady stream of albums since then, so it may be worth giving them a listen should they cross my transom. (Doubtless their MySpace site or something will stream some of the new and recent tracks, if I look around .....) > Also, more relevantly, NEW CLUTCH! > http://www.pro-rock.com/ > [...] the fact that one track title is `50,000 Unstoppable Watts' > and another `Sleestak Lightning' encourages me. "50,000 Unstoppable Watts" _is_ a good title. I'll have to see if I find a way to give that a listen, too! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Thu Aug 13 11:12:45 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (The Baron) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:12:45 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Message-ID: Anyone on the boards going to be at the Cleveland Ohio BOC show? It's the rescheduled show from last Dec.'s cancellation. I won tickets on a local radio station. See you there. From kruch7 at COX.NET Thu Aug 13 11:15:58 2009 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (kruch7 at COX.NET) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:15:58 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Message-ID: congrats and let us know how it goes ken Gygax is to Gaming What Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil then you WWBYD What would Brigham Young do On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM , The Baron wrote: > Anyone on the boards going to be at the Cleveland Ohio BOC show? It's > the > rescheduled show from last Dec.'s cancellation. I won tickets on a > local radio station. See you there. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 06:51:49 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:51:49 +0100 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side Message-ID: Hi all, Just got this reply from Vicky which clears up this issue. No bonus material can ever be added to Warners US repertoire (and sadly this was WarnersUS)?even if you licence it direct from the artist. Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 14 10:40:55 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:40:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908101124.n7ABOl9P029622@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, M Holmes wrote: > Jonathan Jarrett writes: >> Well, sustainability, fundamentally, wouldn't you say? > It's a big universe. Could be a while before we use all the energy and > materials in it. If we can't reach anything off-earth economically it doesn't matter how of it there is, does it? > Ah, but you might be agreeing with me for the wrong reasons ;-) Or, at a pinch, in the wrong order ;-) >> and people >> have been pointing this out since the 1960s but now that green is more >> mainstream the basic contradictions are beginning to be addressed, as with >> any ideology that attracts a following. Again, however, as to the >> necessity of solutions like nuclear power, I agree with you, though my >> money's on solar-catalysed fuel cells. > > Could be, though we'd have to cover an awful lot of deserts with them to > make a dent in the problem. No, no, you're thinking at a very different level to me. You're thinking super-huge infrastructure projects, but I'm thinking `have a fuel-cell bin to power your house' sort of affair. Massively-distributed *local* generation, such as we're already beginning to get with houses whose solar gear generates a surplus. The grid becomes something you only need for industry because most energy is being generated at or close to point of use. And there are two teams in London alone working on this (typically, without cooperating) so I'm hopeful an answer will be forthcoming before long. Of course it's not a final answer, and the biggest problem is how much water it takes out of circulation if it's done on any scale. But it's an excellent temporiser. > The economics of this aren't significantly different to those which > built sewers. It's an infrastructural public health project. The first > sewers were privately built IIRC. If it doesn't get done as a gummint > project, mebbe some Blofeld character can build 'em and say he'll turn > 'em around if we all don't keep paying the fees. For a libertarian, Mike, you sure are keen on the gummint to solve our problems. > It's not even as if solar sails wouldn't be useful anyways. It's time we > got in some practice using 'em. Solar surfboards will not, I'd hazard, be far behind in this conversation. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Aug 14 11:18:16 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:18:16 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should I interpret this as hinting at _some_ sort of CD release for _Fresh Blood_? Cheers, Carl On 14 Aug 2009, at 05:51, Steve Freight wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got this reply from Vicky which clears up this issue. > > No bonus material can ever be added to Warners US repertoire (and > sadly this > was WarnersUS)?even if you licence it direct from the artist. > > Steve > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > > Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here > http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/? > pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&sit > e_variant=de > Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join > here > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 > to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and > anything > else Charlie) > Terry Thomas Podcast > http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Aug 14 11:42:52 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:42:52 +0000 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side In-Reply-To: <85517F62-E654-42BF-837A-262DCF12E0B2@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Nope, you should interpret it that Fresh Blood has been reissued on CD by Atomhenge just recently! And really good it is! ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:18:16 PM Subject: Re: Steve Swindell's missing B side Should I interpret this as hinting at _some_ sort of CD release for _Fresh Blood_? Cheers, Carl On 14 Aug 2009, at 05:51, Steve Freight wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got this reply from Vicky which clears up this issue. > > No bonus material can ever be added to Warners US repertoire (and sadly this > was WarnersUS)?even if you licence it direct from the artist. > > Steve > --View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > > Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here > http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de > Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 > to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything > else Charlie) > Terry Thomas Podcast > http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Aug 14 12:06:44 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:06:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) : :On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :> On 06 Aug 2009, at 17:32, mike coleman wrote: :>> so _THIS_ is the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu :> :> Are they still going, then? :) : : Just for reference, it seems so: :http://www.fu-manchu.com/funews.html : Sadly, I didn't first think of the band when this popped up, but rather the series of Sax Rohmer books. Plus, when Mike mentioned the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu, I immediately assumed that there were dacoits and kidnapped scientists involved. I don't know whether to be disappointed when it turns out that we were talking about the band. (Well, it could have been possible. The other conversation running at the time was over global warming and arguments over science :-) ) Arin (delayed in reading list due to worldcon last week.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 14 12:09:15 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:09:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:40:55 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Aug 14 12:13:38 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:13:38 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side In-Reply-To: <861344.25538.qm@web26904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:42, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Nope, you should interpret it that Fresh Blood has been reissued on > CD by Atomhenge just recently! And really good it is! All right! That's excellent news. :) Yes, it would definitely be worth replacing the dodgy vinyl-rip MP3s that I downloaded from somewhere. I think Andy Gilham may be coming back down my way at the end of the year; so I can probably order a copy to him just beforehand and get him to bring it along. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 12:26:34 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:26:34 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the BBC Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm Dave: " [talks about his sequencers and such] But I gave up all this, and I went back to playing - guitar!" YES YES YES YES YES A Thousand Times YES! Play that guitar Dave - your guitar sound is the soul of Hawkwind. Steve On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Sonic attack wrote: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (24) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- > created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > > Visit Your Group > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > __,_._,___ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 12:31:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:31:42 -0500 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side In-Reply-To: <208360E6-E8BC-4608-A398-B99D310DA13F@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I interpreted it as a very personal problem and that steve was going to have some serious frustration in his life tell Arin I love her On 8/14/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:42, Ian Abrahams wrote: > >> Nope, you should interpret it that Fresh Blood has been reissued on CD by >> Atomhenge just recently! And really good it is! >> > > > All right! That's excellent news. :) > > Yes, it would definitely be worth replacing the dodgy vinyl-rip MP3s that I > downloaded from somewhere. I think Andy Gilham may be coming back down my > way at the end of the year; so I can probably order a copy to him just > beforehand and get him to bring it along. :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Aug 14 12:43:58 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:43:58 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind on the BBC In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908140926h6068be64q8f9e3248f9b4f81f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AMEN! Well, Steve knows my feelings on this are entirely congruent with his. :) Cheers, Carl On 14 Aug 2009, at 11:26, Steve Swann wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm > > Dave: " [talks about his sequencers and such] But I gave up all this, > and I went back to playing - guitar!" > > YES > YES > YES > YES > YES > A Thousand Times YES! > > Play that guitar Dave - your guitar sound is the soul of Hawkwind. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Aug 14 13:58:13 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:58:13 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the BBC In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908140926h6068be64q8f9e3248f9b4f81f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That was a lot of fun, thanks for the link. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind on the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm Dave: " [talks about his sequencers and such] But I gave up all this, and I went back to playing - guitar!" YES YES YES YES YES A Thousand Times YES! Play that guitar Dave - your guitar sound is the soul of Hawkwind. Steve On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Sonic attack wrote: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (24) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- > created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > > Visit Your Group > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > __,_._,___ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 14 17:59:28 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908101130.n7ABUKOJ000049@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, M Holmes wrote: > Arjan Hulsebos writes: >> Nuclear power isn't geen. > Well, it doesn't produce lots of CO2, and that's supposedly at the root > of the emergency. I have to admit that as a medievalist the emphasis on `carbon' is slightly more aggravating even than it is to me as a thinking human being. There is *bugger-all* evidence that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere affect the Earth's temparature. What there is is a shaky correlation between carbon levels in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution or so and a rise in temparature. But correlation is not causation, and the temparature in the Northern Hemisphere at least was higher in the twelfth century than it is now (when Greenland was green, or at least greener) without carbon levels being as high (as we know from lake and ice cores), whereas carbon levels have been a lot higher in the past when temparatures have been *lower*. Bottom line: if it's making a difference it's not distinguishable from outside phenomena. And we don't understand the outside phenomena well enough to model them so there's no decent way to tell. And if I were in my proper sceptic mode I'd start pointing out how many weather stations are in areas that have seen substantial urban development since the 1950s or on airports that have naturally seen a big increase in traffic the last twenty years and ask just how good you think the evidence for temparature increase really *is*. But I don't need to because there's a perfectly good crisis going on anyway, from which the whole carbon schtick is doing a really good job of distracting people. 'It's not us: it's carbon dioxide. If we plant enough trees on someone else's country we can balance it all out and keep the good life', or such seems to be the anaesthetic idea. So why the emphasis? Because it's an *easy scapegoat*. You can buy a carbon offset for your transatlantic flight and feel as if you're not doing any damage. But the flight is spouting a bunch of other things into the atmosphere that are much nastier for things under it and in it than CO2, and when the flight is using up more fossil fuel that we can't replace and generally doing its small bit to take us to peak oil and beyond before we've done anything to meet what happens to civilisation then. "Carbon" is not the villain here, it's unthinking soundbite junkies who want to pay their way out of lifestyle change. I realise you good people are probably mostly or fully aware of this but that means I can rant and someone may hear it with sympathy rather than tagging me as an irrational climate change denier. I'm an environmentalist *anthropogenic* climate change sceptic dammit. Rant over, yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Superjudge_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 14 18:51:45 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:51:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <458F8491-AEE9-43BA-ABE0-55C803474BF8@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with their > so-called scientific consensus! If Mike disagrees with them then I'm backing > Mike because he always has the Straight Dope and that's the truth!!* > Besides, he states things so forcefully, like his facts are like axioms and > so not to be quibbled with, that it's hard to disagree with a chap like that. The trouble with the IPCC's uncountable consensus is that (a) it includes Al Gore's particular brand of excession and (b) there is a countable but growing consensus *against* their consensus too. At which point, the cynic like me starts looking at who funds the relevant people, on either side, and wondering about agendas. > [*] May not be the truth in all localities. Void where prohibited. Not just that truth, it seems. But such is the way of knowledge based on incomplete evidence. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 14 19:02:28 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:02:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus - Special London Show 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: <475819.39491.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Colin Allen wrote: > Something like that.....except that your Napoleonic column will be > picked apart by their skirmishers and then blown away by the main line > appearing from their reverse-slope position. This being the first time in Litmus's history that the front-line did more damage than the backline :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Aug 14 19:19:31 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:19:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <2A0F1DE2-747F-4508-BCEA-0EBFB23FC4D4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > Are you claiming that computer modelling isn't scientific? The Virginia > Bioinformatics Institute and various other research groups here on campus > make heavy use of large-scale computer simulation and modelling (large-scale > network simulations; epidemiological analyses; etc.) and they would argue > very, VERY vociferously that what they are doing is science. It is possible for computer modelling to be unscientific: just witness the kind of modelling used to plot grand financial strategies by large international banks for the last few years, based on continuous growth axioms and so on. It's also possible for modelling to be scientific, but wrong. Which if either we are seeing with the climate stuff, I don't know, though I find this article sympathetic largely because it seems to me that we're trying to model a chaotic system by leaving out all the awkward bits: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/15/if-you-cant-explain-it-you-cant-model-it/ I also think that data quality is a *serious* issue here. And, finally, as well documented by now and now I'll shut up, I think this is a far less serious problem than our energetic reliance on non-renewables at the same time as a substantial increase in energy use in developing countries looks inevitable. Surely that's the real immediate problem, and solving it will likely address anything we are doing to the climate too! I just don't get why global warming is somehow more emotive, but I do see it being used as a sail to pull more necessary measures along. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 19:39:43 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:39:43 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the BBC In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908140926h6068be64q8f9e3248f9b4f81f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And there's also a snippet of them performing Golden Void "live in the studio" as they say: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8196099.stm Steve On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm > > Dave: " [talks about his sequencers and such] But I gave up all this, > and I went back to playing - guitar!" > > YES > YES > YES > YES > YES > A Thousand Times YES! > > Play that guitar Dave - your guitar sound is the soul of Hawkwind. > > Steve > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Sonic > attack wrote: >> >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8194287.stm >> >> __._,_.___ >> Messages in this topic (24) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls >> Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- >> created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format >> to Traditional >> Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe >> Recent Activity >> >> Visit Your Group >> Give Back >> >> Yahoo! for Good >> >> Get inspired >> >> by a good cause. >> >> Y! Toolbar >> >> Get it Free! >> >> easy 1-click access >> >> to your groups. >> >> Yahoo! Groups >> >> Start a group >> >> in 3 easy steps. >> >> Connect with others. >> >> . >> __,_._,___ > From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 19:47:22 2009 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:47:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. Message-ID: I'd personally appreciate it if we would stick to music here There is lots of exciting things going on musically rather than having my in box full of pseudo science. And no I won't be replying to the forthcoming flame so don't bother. Mike in the US (where we actually realize global warming is taking place) Sent from my Verizon Storm From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 14 19:58:03 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:58:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <1840565047-1250293635-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189290783-@bxe1036.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 8/14/09, Mike Montfort wrote: > > > Mike in the US (where we actually realize global warming is taking place) placed in echo chamber and delivered through Lemmy's best amp (whatever he's named it) where's that movie? can I come in and level this entire thread when it's flickered out? anyway, have a good weekend, for me, all I can do is get a headche from the constant fans blowing on me (removing hand from Trev's eyes and running off) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 14 22:17:36 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:17:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Aug 2009, at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > >> Well, sod the IPCC and its uncountable legions of scientists with >> their so-called scientific consensus! If Mike disagrees with them >> then I'm backing Mike because he always has the Straight Dope and >> that's the truth!!* Besides, he states things so forcefully, like >> his facts are like axioms and so not to be quibbled with, that it's >> hard to disagree with a chap like that. > > The trouble with the IPCC's uncountable consensus is that (a) it > includes Al Gore's particular brand of excession and (b) there is a > countable but growing consensus *against* their consensus too. Sure, it's countable, but it's a small minority compared to the consensus for climate change. Nobody said everybody has to agree with everyone else. That's how science works. You stick with the best theory until something better comes along, even if the theory doesn't explain everything. > At which point, the cynic like me starts looking at who funds the > relevant people, on either side, and wondering about agendas. Yes, like the literally millions of dollars ExxonMobil alone has funnelled into climate change denial "research" and various astroturf front groups. They and their ilk are far outspending the scientists in the propaganda war. > >> [*] May not be the truth in all localities. Void where prohibited. > > Not just that truth, it seems. But such is the way of knowledge > based on incomplete evidence. But evidence is always incomplete. So far as I understand it, physicists can't account for the lack of observable matter that should be in the universe and so theorise about "dark matter" (which, AFAIK, nobody has ever observed) to make their equations balance nicely. But, despite such lack of evidence, we don't damn all physicists as charlatans and write off physics as a load of bunkum, do we? Medicine doesn't have any rigourous scientific laws about disease, but that doesn't stop us from going to the doctor, does it? Look at any scientific discipline and you will find flaws. It is the nature of science: it is evolving and ongoing. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 14 23:18:17 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:18:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Aug 2009, at 5:59 PM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I have to admit that as a medievalist the emphasis on `carbon' is > slightly more aggravating even than it is to me as a thinking human > being. There is *bugger-all* evidence that carbon dioxide levels in > the atmosphere affect the Earth's temparature. At which point I have to say this: stick to being a medievalist, Jon. Either that, or read up just a little on the chemistry of atmospheric science. (Or, perhaps you meant to say, "There is bugger-all evidence I'm prepared to accept." That's quite a big difference.) > the temparature in the Northern Hemisphere at least was higher in > the twelfth century than it is now (when Greenland was green, or at > least greener) without carbon levels being as high Like I said, you should read a bit more. There are numerous, easy- accessible sources that debunk these arguments. How about what the American Geophysical Union think about your medievalist concerns: http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0319.html . (And, the AGU had such a lack of consensus they decided to publish a formal position on the human impacts on climate: http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml ; just like many other learned societies and leading science journals.) > Bottom line: if it's making a difference it's not distinguishable > from outside phenomena. And we don't understand the outside > phenomena well enough to model them so there's no decent way to > tell. And if I were in my proper sceptic mode I'd start pointing out > how many weather stations are in areas that have seen substantial > urban development since the 1950s or on airports that have naturally > seen a big increase in traffic the last twenty years and ask just > how good you think the evidence for temparature increase really *is*. You do know that weather stations aren't the only way to measure temperatures, don't you? (I was funded for a while by the NASA/ Langley Atmospheric Sciences Data Center and one of the things that stuck with me was the variety of kit ["instruments"] they use and the difficulties this poses for long-term archival storage [metadata design; file formats; etc.].) > But I don't need to because there's a perfectly good crisis going on > anyway, from which the whole carbon schtick is doing a really good > job of distracting people. 'It's not us: it's carbon dioxide. If we > plant enough trees on someone else's country we can balance it all > out and keep the good life', or such seems to be the anaesthetic idea. > > So why the emphasis? Because it's an *easy scapegoat*. You can buy > a carbon offset for your transatlantic flight and feel as if you're > not doing any damage. But the flight is spouting a bunch of other > things into the atmosphere that are much nastier for things under it > and in it than CO2, and when the flight is using up more fossil fuel > that we can't replace and generally doing its small bit to take us > to peak oil and beyond before we've done anything to meet what > happens to civilisation then. "Carbon" is not the villain here, it's > unthinking soundbite junkies who want to pay their way out of > lifestyle change. I realise you good people are probably mostly or > fully aware of this but that means I can rant and someone may hear > it with sympathy rather than tagging me as an irrational climate > change denier. I'm an environmentalist *anthropogenic* > climate change sceptic dammit. I suppose skeptic sounds nicer and more fearless and romantic than denier. I agree with you about the pollution; peak oil; over-reliance on fossil fuels (especially oil) with no urgent transition plan in sight to an alternative energy policy; conscience salving via offsetting; and a lack of use of renewables. But, I think you're plain batshit crazy on the earlier stuff. (I calls 'em like I sees 'em.) :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 14 23:29:48 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:29:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Aug 2009, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I don't know [[how accurate is computer modelling]], though I find > this article sympathetic largely because it seems to me that we're > trying to model a chaotic system by leaving out all the awkward bits: > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/15/if-you-cant-explain-it-you-cant-model-it/ Oh, Jeez, Anthony Watts. (Is THAT who you're reading?) I would argue against him, but I wouldn't want BOC-L to be taken offline by a DMCA take-down notice. :-) (Mr. Watts obviously doesn't like people disagreeing with him: http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-crock-anthony-watts-scrubs-youtube-video) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Aug 15 03:14:29 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:14:29 +0000 Subject: HW: More Spacerock Blogging Message-ID: Hello All, Not labelled this an 'OFF' post since there's some Hawkwind content but apologies if anyone feels it is off-topic, but some recent updates to Spacerock Reviews that I hope some will find interesting or enjoyable: Interview with Martin Litmus re the new Litmus album 'Aurora' (and damned good the album is!) Reviews: Keith Hill - Oceanfire 2009EP Stovepony Records Exeter - Grey Noise, White Lies The Movements - For Sardines Space Is No Problem Paradise9 - Nothing For Tomorrow EP Hawkwind - Chronicle of the Black Sword Cheers, Ian From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Aug 15 03:15:57 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:15:57 +0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: More Spacerock Blogging In-Reply-To: <141133.93069.qm@web26905.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: www.spacerockreviews.blog And a link would come in handy, wouldn't it! www.spacerockreviews.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Ian Abrahams To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; boc-l at listserv.ispnetinc.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:14:29 AM Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: More Spacerock Blogging ? Hello All, Not labelled this an 'OFF' post since there's some Hawkwind content but apologies if anyone feels it is off-topic, but some recent updates to Spacerock Reviews that I hope some will find interesting or enjoyable: Interview with Martin Litmus re the new Litmus album 'Aurora' (and damned good the album is!) Reviews: Keith Hill - Oceanfire 2009EP Stovepony Records Exeter - Grey Noise, White Lies The Movements - For Sardines Space Is No Problem Paradise9 - Nothing For Tomorrow EP Hawkwind - Chronicle of the Black Sword Cheers, Ian __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * ?1 New MembersVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 15 08:58:24 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:58:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <200908111018.n7BAIbGP008613@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> <2A0F1DE2-747F-4508-BCEA-0EBFB23FC4D4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: You boffins should be formulating a policy to be inserted into the social mind rather than engaging in endless non-productive arguments (If you need a bit more time to do it, just say). When you've done it, tell me so that I can declaim the Truth the Way and the Light of official Hawk global warming policy to the BLESSED ONES. Because you've really got me confused and there needs to be coherent policy now. Here's the very emotive link that inspired this discussion, in case you've forgotten. http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/big-green-gathering-09.html ...And here's where to buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" so you can discover, by listening to the lyrics, how Trev and Kev are trying to make the earth a better place to live in. http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html ?7.99 + post. All major credit cards accepted. Burned on archival quality stock. Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Mather" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:29 AM To: Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > On 14 Aug 2009, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >> I don't know [[how accurate is computer modelling]], though I find >> this article sympathetic largely because it seems to me that we're >> trying to model a chaotic system by leaving out all the awkward bits: >> >> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/15/if-you-cant-explain-it-you-cant-model-it/ > > Oh, Jeez, Anthony Watts. (Is THAT who you're reading?) I would argue > against him, but I wouldn't want BOC-L to be taken offline by a DMCA > take-down notice. :-) > > (Mr. Watts obviously doesn't like people disagreeing with him: http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-crock-anthony-watts-scrubs-youtube-video) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Sat Aug 15 10:33:46 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:33:46 +0200 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > Rant over, yours, Well, you do have a point. Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or two, and the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like telling the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, you'll see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving you're most tempted to accept. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 15 11:44:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:44:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <20090815142700.M27498@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? yeah right before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so Occam's razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones with the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that if you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO HIT YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic related and easy If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you will find that there is only one true problem and all these others will solve themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger concern and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and problems that may likely make your sphincters explode I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments would allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL element to this problem. PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep your crowns anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition good luck to you no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money is too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will promote the next one best I can behold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 notice how it borrows from it's own future??? On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > > Rant over, yours, > > Well, you do have a point. > > Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or two, > and > the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like > telling > the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. > > On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, > you'll > see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving you're > most > tempted to accept. > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > -------------------------------- > Rock in the 70ies: > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 15 11:51:28 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:51:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908150844n13ad997ftceb08f7ed6fc4257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the nerve > to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? > yeah right > before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so Occam's > razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones with > the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that if > you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO HIT > YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin > I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic related > and easy > If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you will > find that there is only one true problem and all these others will solve > themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger concern > and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and > problems that may likely make your sphincters explode > I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice none > of you have realised that reality is more than your governments would allow > you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL element to this > problem. > PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. > You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep your > crowns > anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within > yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition > good luck to you > no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money is too > prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will promote > the next one best I can > behold: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 > notice how it borrows from it's own future??? > > On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >> >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote >> > Rant over, yours, >> >> Well, you do have a point. >> >> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or two, >> and >> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like >> telling >> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. >> >> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, >> you'll >> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving you're >> most >> tempted to accept. >> >> Gr, >> >> Arjan H >> >> -------------------------------- >> Rock in the 70ies: >> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >> > > From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Aug 15 12:04:44 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:04:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Adrian Shaw & Rod Goodway Message-ID: Just received from Ade,?a copy of Adrian Shaw & Rod Goodway's new album, 'Oxygen Thieves', released on Germany's September Gurls Records, which will be of interest to list members I think! Says the label's website (www.septembergurlsrecords.com): "New album by Adrian Shaw & Rod Goodway, which came about by two old friends getting together and making some music just to see what 'develops'. Adrian wrote and recorded all the music and Rod wrote and sang all the lyrics. Recorded at Ade's home studio between May 2008 and February 2009. "Oxygen Thieves" features fabulous progressive, psychedelic recordings, the emphasis alternately shifting from acid/space rock to blues, folk and beyond. A sitar-saturated magic carpet ride in Saddar Bazaar vein will open your mind; rootsy psych-blues echoing Capt. Beefheart will transfer you to the right place. M esmerizing heavy psych rock takes you through the looking glass into a surreal dreamzone. You will navigate through mellow folk, guitar magic in best Bevis Frond art, "Tomorrow never knows" Beatle-esque playfulness, fuzz loaden, melodic progressive psychedelia recalling the Smell of Incense/High Tide/Caravan. All richly and elaborately instrumented by Ade, while Rustic Rod's vocals remain singular yet versatile. " ? There's also a Myspace page: ? www.myspace.com/rodgoodwayadrianshaw ? Cheers, Ian From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 15 15:32:36 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:32:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908150851x60c999b0ib2322cb121c19d4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill and that sexual contact shit woah..... off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > > oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... > > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the >> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? >> yeah right >> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so Occam's >> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones with >> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that if >> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO HIT >> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin >> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic related >> and easy >> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you will >> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will solve >> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger concern >> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and >> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode >> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice >> none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments would >> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL element to >> this problem. >> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. >> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep >> your crowns >> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within >> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition >> good luck to you >> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money is >> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will >> promote the next one best I can >> behold: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 >> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? >> >> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote >>> > Rant over, yours, >>> >>> Well, you do have a point. >>> >>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or two, >>> and >>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like >>> telling >>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. >>> >>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, >>> you'll >>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving you're >>> most >>> tempted to accept. >>> >>> Gr, >>> >>> Arjan H >>> >>> -------------------------------- >>> Rock in the 70ies: >>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >>> >> >> > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 15 15:44:50 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:44:50 +0000 Subject: setlist: Mike Burro & Stewkey: Pitman, NJ 8/14/09 Message-ID: I think it would be fair to say " a great gig was had by all" last night at 'The Bus Stop Cafe', in Pitman. Excellent support from The Missing Keys ( great swampy, upright bass driven hoodu from Wolfman Fran). Also a nice set from Joe Szymzczak and his cohorts. Great ecological themes in his music. As for Stewkey and I, we had a blast going 'organic' and eating some damn good food, like grilled potobello wraps and unlimited glasses of Iced Black tea. A special thanks to 'Zero the Hero' for coming prepared with a cooler filled with goodies, a great camera and the ever present 'Status Quo' t-shirt.. Cheers to you mate! setlist: Smokestack Lightning I got my Mojo workin Spinning Wheel blues The Red Rooster Worried man blues Space is Deep> Hurry On Sundown Who Do you Love?> Not fade Away Waiting for the Man> Ejection ( I'm not your ) Steppin Stone ( you gotta ) Help Me Wildwood Blues lineup: Mike Burro: guitars/vocals/tamborine Stewkey : vocals/harp 'Big Daddy Joe' : guest harp http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 http://www.myspace.com/nazzfeaturingstewkey _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 15 19:40:45 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:40:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <326D3520-B581-4F47-B684-1C6B61755E31@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, allow me one more on this. I realise I've started annoying people but it's because of that I'd like to try and make an attempt at being more reasonable than `bat-shit crazy'. The good opinion of the list matters to me and so does being able to admit I'm wrong. Anyone who's not interested in further climate change stuff from me by all means hit delete now, and perhaps anyone who wants to take it up with me further will do so off-list. Okay? On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > (Or, perhaps you meant to say, "There is bugger-all evidence I'm prepared to > accept." That's quite a big difference.) No, I'm not that far gone, though I do appear to have been very angry about something or other lately, this wasn't the only rant I've written though the others are thankfully not public. Thankyou for attempting to administer the argumentative slap in the face to the hysteric. I have the problem that I don't want to become an atmospheric chemist or read at that level; I'm reliant on reports of consensus from informed people. I'm also prepared to be swayed by them so I'm taking you very seriously here and am ready to accept I've drunk too much of the wrong Kool-Aid or whatever. Let me try and find a more reasonable place to stand than I managed last time. > Like I said, you should read a bit more. There are numerous, easy-accessible > sources that debunk these arguments. How about what the American Geophysical > Union think about your medievalist concerns: > http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0319.html. (And, the AGU had such a lack > of consensus they decided to publish a formal position on the human impacts > on climate: > http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml; > just like many other learned societies and leading science journals.) Let's have a look at the AGU stuff then. I can handle a *bit* of science, so as well as the position statement, which is, well, a position statement whose foundations are essentially the reputation of the authors, I also had a look at the paper they link to from it, originally published in _Eos_: http://www.agu.org/eos_elec/99148e.html Now, Paul, you have to admit that if I wanted to have that kind of argument I could quote-mine that paper for something in support of almost everything I said in the previous post: the uncertainty over whether CO2 vs. atmospheric heat is correlation or causation because of historical precedents that don't, well, correlate with causation; the question of what order CO2 rises and heat rises have occurred in and which may therefore be leading which; the complications of modelling when a great many processes appear to affect what they want to model; and that CO2 is only one of a whole bunch of pollutants with which we should be concerned and the one that nature appears most able to soak up in ways we don't entirely understand. Though their conclusions are in line with the position statement there, the caveats and conditions are so prevalent that it's hard for a reader to see how they get to that position without having read everything they cite. I could source a far more rabid uncertainty critique than what I wrote, just from that paper. The problem is of course that that paper is now ten years old, and the position statement *it* links to has now gone, presumably replaced by the 2008 one. So perhaps I and the little reading I've done are ten years behind. Is the degree of certainty we've achieved over what's going on in that time enough to lead from that paper to the current position statement? I just find it very difficult to understand how all those caveats and conditions and complications and problems with local data can be got round to the point where we can actually talk about a consensus here that isn't partially a faith position--which is why the word sceptic is the one that springs to mind. But certainly as you say it's no problem finding backup for that position in a far more consistent form than for the claims of the sceptics. As to that little reading, by the way, I do agree with you that Anthony Watts is a problem source and that he finds what he wants to find. Also, he writes so damn much that repeats itself that I long ago gave up reading it. But the paper I linked to, though I saw it on his blog, was by someone else, Steven Goddard, though a look at some of *his* other posts suggests I may have over-rated his ability to talk sense. It's only about computer modeling anyway, not about the actual data we currently have. The historic perspective, however, I have from a paper I saw last year at the International Medieval Congress by Sebastian Payne, who is the Chief Scientist at English Heritage. I grant you that this doesn't make him a atmospheric scientist, but neither is he a denier; indeed he argues that we have to deal very urgently with the effects of climate change, he just doesn't think the current climate situation is very unusual in long-historical terms. If you want to evaluate his position a presentation from a paper of it is online here: http://www.britarch.ac.uk/sites/www.britarch.ac.uk/files/node-files/EH_Payne.pdf with abstract here: http://www.britarch.ac.uk/conservation/climate/ifa2008 The abstract of the paper I saw is here: http://imc.leeds.ac.uk/imcapp/SessionDetails.jsp?SessionId=2576&year=2008 Regrettably I can't see that he's actually gone into print with this anywhere, though it isn't really his job. Anyway, even that much poking round the web finds a whole load of stuff that makes me want to swallow a lot of what I was saying. Not all of it, but a lot. (In particular the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia have a lot of useful stuff online that's easy for someone at my level to swallow: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ ). > I suppose skeptic sounds nicer and more fearless and romantic than denier. I > agree with you about the pollution; peak oil; over-reliance on fossil fuels > (especially oil) with no urgent transition plan in sight to an alternative > energy policy; conscience salving via offsetting; and a lack of use of > renewables. But, I think you're plain batshit crazy on the earlier stuff. > (I calls 'em like I sees 'em.) :-) I clearly went too far with that. (Sorry.) What I mainly wanted to argue was that "carbon" (rather than CO2, even, though that too is suspect) has been fetishised into the sole cause of climate change, which is one thing if it gets people to pay attention because it's easier to swallow than a message of austerity. It's another thing, however, when plans like `carbon tariffs' for industry and so forth get ahead of stopping them, for example, pouring metal salts into rivers or generating *other* greenhouse gases that trees *don't* breathe, and when carbon offsetting threatens to actually comfort people out of making necessary and urgent changes to their resource usage. Somewhere in there I got all tangled up in how much crap there is surrounding all sides' presentation of anything resembling science in this debate. I may well not be properly equipped for telling crap from verifiable fact in this field. I will hold to the environmental historians knowing what they're doing with the historic data for the moment though. Yours, Jon ObCD: Mother of All Bands - _Insect Brain_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Aug 15 20:37:52 2009 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:37:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Periodic Table of Metal Message-ID: BOC and Motorhead are on this table, put together by Jacksonville.com. I like how they've included live footage of each band. BOC's is DFtR. Should've picked a more "metal" song though, like Tattoo Vampire or Lips in the Hills. Brian http://jacksonville.com/specials/metalchart > Heavy metal bands come in many varieties. Some are lightning fast, some are slow and plodding and, sure as iron is heavier than helium, some bands are heavier than others. > This is our best attempt at categorizing metal bands. By splitting them up, we hope to give some kind of order to the genre. > Each different color below represents a type of band, including Hair bands, Modern Metal Bands and the Founding Fathers of metal. Click the colored bars to learn more about the bands in that category. We've also got quizzes with each category to test your metal skills. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 15 21:27:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Pascoe Brock) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:27:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Easy Jon, if you've annoyed anyone you've had help I think FoFP has pointed out before that the list can self-govern and my own opinion is not to get too carried away with the context of a single thread (or distraught) as for 'Bat Shit Crazy", I felt compelled to top that (without of course, in _reality_, actually being such) I think Mike made a single profound point with his comment about warming being more noticeable in the USA as for you, running around with drummer chicks and having female housemates, you might just not be ugly, and this combined with your education could be distracting from "knowing everything" whatever global warming is or isn't, my life (if anyone else but me could see it as such), has been on hold like nothing in the past 6 years, although it's always on hold months out of the year. Could this thread please now mutate into how to make central air conditioners turn into super-coolers, or could I fill in somebody's collection with some Bainbridge CD's in trade for large sun-shades? I'm considering suicide since I am stuck in Texas and don't think I can take one more year of this Beyond that, I want to carry "spontaneous rainforests" in my pocket I've given you something larger NOT to be a skeptic about skeptic=still keeping entirely pathetic thoughts in context the disclosure clock is coming down upon you, skeptic was simply a way to keep some people from pooping themselves and thw world's political system out of anarchy, but clinging is no longer allowed after 60 or a hundred such years time to find out clearly what you're not before doing anything under the presumption that you are the sun went down thank god On 8/15/09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > Dear All, > allow me one more on this. I realise I've started annoying > people but it's because of that I'd like to try and make an attempt at being > more reasonable than `bat-shit crazy'. The good opinion of the list matters > to me and so does being able to admit I'm wrong. Anyone who's not interested > in further climate change stuff from me by all means hit delete now, and > perhaps anyone who wants to take it up with me further will do so off-list. > Okay? > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Paul Mather wrote: > >> (Or, perhaps you meant to say, "There is bugger-all evidence I'm prepared >> to accept." That's quite a big difference.) >> > > No, I'm not that far gone, though I do appear to have been very > angry about something or other lately, this wasn't the only rant I've > written though the others are thankfully not public. Thankyou for attempting > to administer the argumentative slap in the face to the hysteric. I have the > problem that I don't want to become an atmospheric chemist or read at that > level; I'm reliant on reports of consensus from informed people. I'm also > prepared to be swayed by them so I'm taking you very seriously here and am > ready to accept I've drunk too much of the wrong Kool-Aid or whatever. Let > me try and find a more reasonable place to stand than I managed last time. > > Like I said, you should read a bit more. There are numerous, >> easy-accessible sources that debunk these arguments. How about what the >> American Geophysical Union think about your medievalist concerns: >> http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0319.html. (And, the AGU had such a >> lack of consensus they decided to publish a formal position on the human >> impacts on climate: >> http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml; >> just like many other learned societies and leading science journals.) >> > > Let's have a look at the AGU stuff then. I can handle a *bit* of > science, so as well as the position statement, which is, well, a position > statement whose foundations are essentially the reputation of the authors, I > also had a look at the paper they link to from it, originally published in > _Eos_: > > http://www.agu.org/eos_elec/99148e.html > > Now, Paul, you have to admit that if I wanted to have that kind of argument > I could quote-mine that paper for something in support of almost everything > I said in the previous post: the uncertainty over whether CO2 vs. > atmospheric heat is correlation or causation because of historical > precedents that don't, well, correlate with causation; the question of what > order CO2 rises and heat rises have occurred in and which may therefore be > leading which; the complications of modelling when a great many processes > appear to affect what they want to model; and that CO2 is only one of a > whole bunch of pollutants with which we should be concerned and the one that > nature appears most able to soak up in ways we don't entirely understand. > Though their conclusions are in line with the position statement there, the > caveats and conditions are so prevalent that it's hard for a reader to see > how they get to that position without having > read everything they cite. I could source a far more rabid uncertainty > critique than what I wrote, just from that paper. > > The problem is of course that that paper is now ten years old, and > the position statement *it* links to has now gone, presumably replaced by > the 2008 one. So perhaps I and the little reading I've done are ten years > behind. Is the degree of certainty we've achieved over what's going on in > that time enough to lead from that paper to the current position statement? > I just find it very difficult to understand how all those caveats and > conditions and complications and problems with local data can be got round > to the point where we can actually talk about a consensus here that isn't > partially a faith position--which is why the word sceptic is the one that > springs to mind. But certainly as you say it's no problem finding backup for > that position in a far more consistent form than for the claims of the > sceptics. > > As to that little reading, by the way, I do agree with you that > Anthony Watts is a problem source and that he finds what he wants to find. > Also, he writes so damn much that repeats itself that I long ago gave up > reading it. But the paper I linked to, though I saw it on his blog, was by > someone else, Steven Goddard, though a look at some of *his* other posts > suggests I may have over-rated his ability to talk sense. It's only about > computer modeling anyway, not about the actual data we currently have. > > The historic perspective, however, I have from a paper I saw last > year at the International Medieval Congress by Sebastian Payne, who is the > Chief Scientist at English Heritage. I grant you that this doesn't make him > a atmospheric scientist, but neither is he a denier; indeed he argues that > we have to deal very urgently with the effects of climate change, he just > doesn't think the current climate situation is very unusual in > long-historical terms. If you want to evaluate his position a presentation > from a paper of it is online here: > > http://www.britarch.ac.uk/sites/www.britarch.ac.uk/files/node-files/EH_Payne.pdf > with abstract here: > http://www.britarch.ac.uk/conservation/climate/ifa2008 > The abstract of the paper I saw is here: > http://imc.leeds.ac.uk/imcapp/SessionDetails.jsp?SessionId=2576&year=2008 > Regrettably I can't see that he's actually gone into print with this > anywhere, though it isn't really his job. > > Anyway, even that much poking round the web finds a whole load of > stuff that makes me want to swallow a lot of what I was saying. Not all of > it, but a lot. (In particular the Climatic Research Unit at the University > of East Anglia have a lot of useful stuff online that's easy for someone at > my level to swallow: > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ > ). > > I suppose skeptic sounds nicer and more fearless and romantic than denier. >> I agree with you about the pollution; peak oil; over-reliance on fossil >> fuels (especially oil) with no urgent transition plan in sight to an >> alternative energy policy; conscience salving via offsetting; and a lack of >> use of renewables. But, I think you're plain batshit crazy on the earlier >> stuff. (I calls 'em like I sees 'em.) :-) >> > > I clearly went too far with that. (Sorry.) What I mainly wanted to > argue was that "carbon" (rather than CO2, even, though that too is suspect) > has been fetishised into the sole cause of climate change, which is one > thing if it gets people to pay attention because it's easier to swallow than > a message of austerity. It's another thing, however, when plans like `carbon > tariffs' for industry and so forth get ahead of stopping them, for example, > pouring metal salts into rivers or generating *other* greenhouse gases that > trees *don't* breathe, and when carbon offsetting threatens to actually > comfort people out of making necessary and urgent changes to their resource > usage. Somewhere in there I got all tangled up in how much crap there is > surrounding all sides' presentation of anything resembling science in this > debate. I may well not be properly equipped for telling crap from verifiable > fact in this field. > > I will hold to the environmental historians knowing what they're > doing with the historic data for the moment though. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Mother of All Bands - _Insect Brain_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ======================================================================= > "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > -Robert Anton Wilson > From converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM Sun Aug 16 07:04:51 2009 From: converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM (Samantha Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:04:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908151827r1e13244audff83d7e431a9180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ... Where I live in Ireland it has been hot and humid with only one day this summer when It hasn't rained. ??? We keep towels just inside the front door... and we have no word for 'crisp'. : ) Sam.. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 09:55:04 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:55:04 +0100 Subject: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from Mike Coleman and Trev and Kev new album In-Reply-To: <200908101130.n7ABUKOJ000049@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> <20090815142700.M27498@dehulst.nl> <17d80c610908150844n13ad997ftceb08f7ed6fc4257@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908150851x60c999b0ib2322cb121c19d4c@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908151232v755dfeaer96dca6add3991c54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Hamburger, Well, now you've succeeded in destroying my career yet again, here's some news that might make you even more jubilant. The last serious attempt I made to put a "proper" band on the road ...ICU Judgement Division, ended when I couldn't get any gigs for it. The bass player and drummer were Niall and Nimbus and the band was phenomenal. Niall, as you know, joined Hawkwind and now Nimbus has joined Here and Now, leaving me alone and in despair...Happy? http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=169190104&blogId=498752599 Judge Trev ps Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html ?7.99 + postage All major credit cards accepted Burned on archival quality media. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:32 PM To: Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. > sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* > nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human > I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the > impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill > and that sexual contact shit > woah..... > off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing > maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher > > > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... >> >> On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the >>> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? >>> yeah right >>> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so Occam's >>> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones with >>> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that if >>> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO HIT >>> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin >>> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic related >>> and easy >>> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you will >>> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will solve >>> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger concern >>> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and >>> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode >>> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice >>> none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments would >>> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL element to >>> this problem. >>> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. >>> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep >>> your crowns >>> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within >>> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition >>> good luck to you >>> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money is >>> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will >>> promote the next one best I can >>> behold: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 >>> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? >>> >>> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote >>>> > Rant over, yours, >>>> >>>> Well, you do have a point. >>>> >>>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or two, >>>> and >>>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like >>>> telling >>>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, >>>> you'll >>>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving you're >>>> most >>>> tempted to accept. >>>> >>>> Gr, >>>> >>>> Arjan H >>>> >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> Rock in the 70ies: >>>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >>>> >>> >>> >> > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Sun Aug 16 10:06:09 2009 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Mike Godwin) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:06:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Periodic Table of Metal Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:37:52 -0400 From: blackblade Subject: BOC: Periodic Table of Metal BOC and Motorhead are on this table, put together by Jacksonville.com. I like how they've included live footage of each band. BOC's is DFtR. Should've picked a more "metal" song though, like Tattoo Vampire or Lips in the Hills. Brian http://jacksonville.com/specials/metalchart * Thanks, Brian! Nice to see the old band at full strength. Judging from the lasers, it looks like the Spectres tour. Do you know where and when the gig was? - Mike Godwin From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 16 14:10:50 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:10:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond availability (was: Online backups) In-Reply-To: <4A81DE58.8090800@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Jerry G wrote: > I have New River Head and the Auntie Winnie album. Seems there's one or > two more, > but I'll have to dig around to see for sure. I've got Rubric reissues of _New River Head_, _London Stone_ and _Bevis Through the Looking Glass_, and I believe that the first three, _Miasma_, _Inner Marshland_ and _Triptych_ have also come out that way. I suspect that anything that didn't come out on Reckless in the States originally won't be available for this project though, so it may be complete with just those. On the other hand, didn't the Reckless deal also cover _Sprawl_, _Any Gas Faster_ and _It Just Is_? The last of those is one of my favourites, and I've still not got the first of them so I hope Rubric are doing those too. The old Woronzow stuff commands a fierce price on Amazon and elsewhere these days... Yours, Jon n/p Tia Carrera @ Roadburn webcast -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 14:43:18 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:43:18 -0500 Subject: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from Mike Coleman and Trev and Kev new album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd ddn't read the part where Kev got the Litmus gig as a solo spot, and if your career is BOC-L based you must get NO sleep. I also don't recall slagging it but I may have and I apologize if I did because I had no reason I can recall....I am about to play it again actually In truth, I'll only be happy once I've destroyed the world as it used to be known but I am very arrogant ans confident I will eventually "get 'er done" since I know what I am here for If you are going to start a new thread as a vehicle for the cosmic puffin link couldn't you portray me as the friend I am instead of villain, since you seem to think people don't just hit delete each and every time a post comes in with my name on?? I am still amongst your biggest fans On 8/16/09, trev wrote: > > Dear Hamburger, > > Well, now you've succeeded in destroying my career yet again, here's some > news that might make you even more jubilant. > The last serious attempt I made to put a "proper" band on the road ...ICU > Judgement Division, ended when I couldn't get any gigs for it. The bass > player and drummer were Niall and Nimbus and the band was phenomenal. > Niall, as you know, joined Hawkwind and now Nimbus has joined Here and Now, > leaving me alone and in despair...Happy? > > > > http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=169190104&blogId=498752599 > > > Judge Trev > > ps > > Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev > here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > ?7.99 + postage > All major credit cards accepted > Burned on archival quality media. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:32 PM > To: > Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from > police and local council. > > > sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* > > nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human > > I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the > > impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill > > and that sexual contact shit > > woah..... > > off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing > > maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher > > > > > > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > >> > >> oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... > >> > >> On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > >>> > >>> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the > >>> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? > >>> yeah right > >>> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so > Occam's > >>> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones > with > >>> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that > if > >>> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO > HIT > >>> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin > >>> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic > related > >>> and easy > >>> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you > will > >>> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will > solve > >>> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger > concern > >>> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and > >>> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode > >>> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice > >>> none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments > would > >>> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL element > to > >>> this problem. > >>> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. > >>> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep > >>> your crowns > >>> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within > >>> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition > >>> good luck to you > >>> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money is > >>> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will > >>> promote the next one best I can > >>> behold: > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 > >>> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? > >>> > >>> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > >>>> > Rant over, yours, > >>>> > >>>> Well, you do have a point. > >>>> > >>>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or > two, > >>>> and > >>>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like > >>>> telling > >>>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. > >>>> > >>>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some stage, > >>>> you'll > >>>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving > you're > >>>> most > >>>> tempted to accept. > >>>> > >>>> Gr, > >>>> > >>>> Arjan H > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------- > >>>> Rock in the 70ies: > >>>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 15:03:02 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:03:02 -0500 Subject: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from Mike Coleman and Trev and Kev new album In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908161143o7e4cd7bal3d4da5ff7984d23a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and did I not support the pro-global warming side, which was a point of the big green gathering? I put aside my important work (early this AM) of trying to find ever more ways I can teach you guys to INSIST that Uncle Sham at least SHOW YOU his favorite toys in his favorite toyboxes, to read a Daevid Allen interview about one of his managers- Giorgio wots-is-name, and why can't you just do as Daevid did?? He simply decided to come to the states to conquer solo, then duo, then trio, then Gong when there was enough intererest. If you got somehing to say, they can't take it away, and I have always believed you are quite strong in this area. You have worried me a bit lately but I say if the horse bucks you off, engage it in a fight without fear of being trampled (like I do with moving cars when I am on foot), and then get back on it Another secret is that our VERY THOUGHTS can manifest much more powerfully than the gov controllers would let out ObCD Crium Delirium Live Concerts 72-75 On 8/16/09, mike coleman wrote: > > I'd ddn't read the part where Kev got the Litmus gig as a solo spot, and if > your career is BOC-L based you must get NO sleep. > I also don't recall slagging it but I may have and I apologize if I did > because I had no reason I can recall....I am about to play it again actually > In truth, I'll only be happy once I've destroyed the world as it used to be > known but I am very arrogant ans confident I will eventually "get 'er done" > since I know what I am here for > If you are going to start a new thread as a vehicle for the cosmic puffin > link couldn't you portray me as the friend I am instead of villain, since > you seem to think people don't just hit delete each and every time a post > comes in with my name on?? > I am still amongst your biggest fans > > > On 8/16/09, trev wrote: >> >> Dear Hamburger, >> >> Well, now you've succeeded in destroying my career yet again, here's some >> news that might make you even more jubilant. >> The last serious attempt I made to put a "proper" band on the road ...ICU >> Judgement Division, ended when I couldn't get any gigs for it. The bass >> player and drummer were Niall and Nimbus and the band was phenomenal. >> Niall, as you know, joined Hawkwind and now Nimbus has joined Here and >> Now, leaving me alone and in despair...Happy? >> >> >> >> http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=169190104&blogId=498752599 >> >> >> Judge Trev >> >> ps >> >> Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev >> here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html >> ?7.99 + postage >> All major credit cards accepted >> Burned on archival quality media. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:32 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from >> police and local council. >> >> > sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* >> > nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human >> > I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the >> > impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill >> > and that sexual contact shit >> > woah..... >> > off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing >> > maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher >> > >> > >> > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> >> >> oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the >> >>> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? >> >>> yeah right >> >>> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so >> Occam's >> >>> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones >> with >> >>> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that >> if >> >>> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO >> HIT >> >>> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin >> >>> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic >> related >> >>> and easy >> >>> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you >> will >> >>> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will >> solve >> >>> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger >> concern >> >>> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and >> >>> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode >> >>> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice >> >>> none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments >> would >> >>> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL >> element to >> >>> this problem. >> >>> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. >> >>> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep >> >>> your crowns >> >>> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within >> >>> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition >> >>> good luck to you >> >>> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money >> is >> >>> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will >> >>> promote the next one best I can >> >>> behold: >> >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 >> >>> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? >> >>> >> >>> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote >> >>>> > Rant over, yours, >> >>>> >> >>>> Well, you do have a point. >> >>>> >> >>>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or >> two, >> >>>> and >> >>>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like >> >>>> telling >> >>>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. >> >>>> >> >>>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some >> stage, >> >>>> you'll >> >>>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving >> you're >> >>>> most >> >>>> tempted to accept. >> >>>> >> >>>> Gr, >> >>>> >> >>>> Arjan H >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------- >> >>>> Rock in the 70ies: >> >>>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Aug 16 16:02:16 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:02:16 +0000 Subject: slideshow from Pitman show ( Mike Burro & Stewkey ) Message-ID: Not 100% sure if this will be viewable to non members, but give it a try...Mike Burro http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToddRundgren-GroknRollUtopia/photos/album/1505204106/pic/list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 16:32:10 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:32:10 +0100 Subject: Trev and Kev at Moonfest In-Reply-To: <200908101130.n7ABUKOJ000049@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> <20090815142700.M27498@dehulst.nl> <17d80c610908150844n13ad997ftceb08f7ed6fc4257@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908150851x60c999b0ib2322cb121c19d4c@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908151232v755dfeaer96dca6add3991c54@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908161143o7e4cd7bal3d4da5ff7984d23a@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610908161203n4ac0fb93n2ce24a843821b3d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Trev and Kev are appearing at Moonfest in two weeks. They are topping the bill (first band on) and are compering the whole show which is headlined by Justin Hawkins (the Darkness) with his new band, Hotlegs. This fest is run by the Eastern Haze lot and is going to be BIG. http://www.moonfest.co.uk/ You might notice that Trev and Kev are billed as Kev and Trev, and the link goes to Bubbledubble MySpace, which is Kevs drum-machine band. This is because Kev put the info up and has an inferiority complex because he is grossly overwieght and plays an instrument which is only one step up from a comb and paper... Judge Trev Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html ?7.99 + postage All major credit cards accepted Burned on archival quality media. >> >> On 8/16/09, trev wrote: >>> >>> Dear Hamburger, >>> >>> Well, now you've succeeded in destroying my career yet again, here's some >>> news that might make you even more jubilant. >>> The last serious attempt I made to put a "proper" band on the road ...ICU >>> Judgement Division, ended when I couldn't get any gigs for it. The bass >>> player and drummer were Niall and Nimbus and the band was phenomenal. >>> Niall, as you know, joined Hawkwind and now Nimbus has joined Here and >>> Now, leaving me alone and in despair...Happy? >>> >>> >>> >>> http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=169190104&blogId=498752599 >>> >>> >>> Judge Trev >>> >>> ps >>> >>> Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev >>> here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html >>> ?7.99 + postage >>> All major credit cards accepted >>> Burned on archival quality media. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> From: "mike coleman" >>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:32 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from >>> police and local council. >>> >>> > sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* >>> > nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human >>> > I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the >>> > impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill >>> > and that sexual contact shit >>> > woah..... >>> > off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing >>> > maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher >>> > >>> > >>> > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >>> >> >>> >> oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... >>> >> >>> >> On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have the >>> >>> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? >>> >>> yeah right >>> >>> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so >>> Occam's >>> >>> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell phones >>> with >>> >>> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such that >>> if >>> >>> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP TO >>> HIT >>> >>> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic Puffin >>> >>> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic >>> related >>> >>> and easy >>> >>> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you >>> will >>> >>> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will >>> solve >>> >>> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger >>> concern >>> >>> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges and >>> >>> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode >>> >>> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I notice >>> >>> none of you have realised that reality is more than your governments >>> would >>> >>> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL >>> element to >>> >>> this problem. >>> >>> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. >>> >>> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to keep >>> >>> your crowns >>> >>> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within >>> >>> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition >>> >>> good luck to you >>> >>> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because money >>> is >>> >>> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I will >>> >>> promote the next one best I can >>> >>> behold: >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 >>> >>> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote >>> >>>> > Rant over, yours, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Well, you do have a point. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade or >>> two, >>> >>>> and >>> >>>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda like >>> >>>> telling >>> >>>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some >>> stage, >>> >>>> you'll >>> >>>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving >>> you're >>> >>>> most >>> >>>> tempted to accept. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Gr, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Arjan H >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -------------------------------- >>> >>>> Rock in the 70ies: >>> >>>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 20:09:30 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:09:30 -0500 Subject: Trev and Kev at Moonfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, and quite seriously....that's pretty damned cool and pretty damned telling that the band members you assembled went to Hawkwind and Here and Now That's more bragging rights than watching the grass grow On 8/16/09, trev wrote: > > Trev and Kev are appearing at Moonfest in two weeks. They are topping the > bill (first band on) and are compering the whole show which is headlined by > Justin Hawkins (the Darkness) with his new band, Hotlegs. > > This fest is run by the Eastern Haze lot and is going to be BIG. > > http://www.moonfest.co.uk/ > > You might notice that Trev and Kev are billed as Kev and Trev, and the link > goes to Bubbledubble MySpace, which is Kevs drum-machine band. > This is because Kev put the info up and has an inferiority complex because > he is grossly overwieght and plays an instrument which is only one step up > from a comb and paper... > > Judge Trev > > Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev > here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > ?7.99 + postage > All major credit cards accepted > Burned on archival quality media. > > >> > >> On 8/16/09, trev wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Hamburger, > >>> > >>> Well, now you've succeeded in destroying my career yet again, here's > some > >>> news that might make you even more jubilant. > >>> The last serious attempt I made to put a "proper" band on the road > ...ICU > >>> Judgement Division, ended when I couldn't get any gigs for it. The bass > >>> player and drummer were Niall and Nimbus and the band was phenomenal. > >>> Niall, as you know, joined Hawkwind and now Nimbus has joined Here and > >>> Now, leaving me alone and in despair...Happy? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=169190104&blogId=498752599 > >>> > >>> > >>> Judge Trev > >>> > >>> ps > >>> > >>> Buy "Live at the Cosmic Puffin" by Trev and Kev > >>> here http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/music.html > >>> ?7.99 + postage > >>> All major credit cards accepted > >>> Burned on archival quality media. > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> From: "mike coleman" > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:32 PM > >>> To: > >>> Subject: Re: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat > from > >>> police and local council. > >>> > >>> > sincere apology *BOFFIN Paul* > >>> > nothing kicks my ADD in like all things human > >>> > I'm picking them up as I go, best I can, words and letters and the > >>> > impossibly backward act of speaking have always been so uphill > >>> > and that sexual contact shit > >>> > woah..... > >>> > off to bed where all I can do is lie there with fans blazing > >>> > maybe nature is most pissed here, the humidity is the clencher > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> oh yeah "We are Motorhead...We are Motorhead"..... > >>> >> > >>> >> On 8/15/09, mike coleman wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Ok Trev. I see you HAD to put the cosmic puffin link and you have > the > >>> >>> nerve to call people like Paul a (excuse me) boffin?? > >>> >>> yeah right > >>> >>> before I go further, Trev global warming, in my point of view, so > >>> Occam's > >>> >>> razorly connected to stupid people driving around on the cell > phones > >>> with > >>> >>> the brains of chickens (if that) whose intelligence level is such > that > >>> if > >>> >>> you try to walk across the street they will be annoyed and SPEED UP > TO > >>> HIT > >>> >>> YOU, is the VERY REASON I was too sick to help you with Cosmic > Puffin > >>> >>> I'm gonna do this a a "nice way", and in a way that's BOC-L topic > >>> related > >>> >>> and easy > >>> >>> If you people will allow me to take you where I am leading you, you > >>> will > >>> >>> find that there is only one true problem and all these others will > >>> solve > >>> >>> themselves. I am asking you to lay all your problems on my bigger > >>> concern > >>> >>> and trade them all in for yet other problems, or rather challenges > and > >>> >>> problems that may likely make your sphincters explode > >>> >>> I am saying that the problem lies within yourselves. Further, I > notice > >>> >>> none of you have realised that reality is more than your > governments > >>> would > >>> >>> allow you to know, in more ways still, and there is a SPIRITUAL > >>> element to > >>> >>> this problem. > >>> >>> PEOPLE HAVE FAILED to evolve and NATURE IS ANGRY. > >>> >>> You simply must stop bending your minds backwards and forwards to > keep > >>> >>> your crowns > >>> >>> anyway, I am giving you a key to ALL EARTHS PROBLEMS hidden within > >>> >>> yesterdays (Hawkwind) eBay acquisition > >>> >>> good luck to you > >>> >>> no doubt some, probably Trev included will be clueless because > money > >>> is > >>> >>> too prominently on the forebrain, but PLEASE spare the noia and I > will > >>> >>> promote the next one best I can > >>> >>> behold: > >>> >>> > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180396926913&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 > >>> >>> notice how it borrows from it's own future??? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On 8/15/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:59:28 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote > >>> >>>> > Rant over, yours, > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Well, you do have a point. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Problem is, these measurements have only been taken for a decade > or > >>> two, > >>> >>>> and > >>> >>>> the rest of the data is from very specific locations. It's kinda > like > >>> >>>> telling > >>> >>>> the weather in the tropics from measurents in the Arctic. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On the other hand, pump enough CO2 into the system, and at some > >>> stage, > >>> >>>> you'll > >>> >>>> see big changes fast. Where we are now depends on who's handwaving > >>> you're > >>> >>>> most > >>> >>>> tempted to accept. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Gr, > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Arjan H > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> -------------------------------- > >>> >>>> Rock in the 70ies: > >>> >>>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier > obliteration > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 16 20:43:50 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK's premier green awareness festival under threat from police and local council. In-Reply-To: <459016.49393.qm@web24001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/16/09, Samantha Fitzpatrick wrote: > > ... Where I live in Ireland it has been hot and humid with only one day > this summer when It hasn't rained. > We keep towels just inside the front door... and we have no word for > 'crisp'. : ) Sam.. That surely must be so frustrating considering one is NOT ENOUGH, but I wonder how you ever get that first one to begin with? From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 17 03:55:22 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:22 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind? An easy act to follow... Metro article Message-ID: Imagine my surprise reading the Metro this morning when on page 16 there is a quarter page article on you know who. Focus is on the Holidays and Kris is referred to as Mr Tait, but and publicity is good. Tag line - get in your silver machine and join them: Hawkwind is going into the holiday business. I'll scan tonight and upload - unless someone else beats me to it. Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Aug 17 17:19:35 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:19:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond availability (was: Online backups) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Jerry G wrote: > >> I have New River Head and the Auntie Winnie album. Seems there's >> one or two more, >> but I'll have to dig around to see for sure. > > I've got Rubric reissues of _New River Head_, _London Stone_ and > _Bevis Through the Looking Glass_, and I believe that the first three, > _Miasma_, _Inner Marshland_ and _Triptych_ have also come out that > way. I suspect that anything that didn't come out on Reckless in the > States originally won't be available for this project though, so it > may be complete with just those. On the other hand, didn't the > Reckless deal also cover _Sprawl_, _Any Gas Faster_ and _It Just Is_? > The last of those is one of my favourites, and I've still not got the > first of them so I hope Rubric are doing those too. The old Woronzow > stuff commands a fierce price on Amazon and elsewhere these days... > Yours, > Jon A Gathering of Fronds was Reckless. I think the other 2 I have are Superseeder and Son of Walter (I really have to track them down now). I found a few on cduniverse for $10-$11. I'd like to grab the collaboration he did with Twink (Magic Eye) too. Thanks, Jerry From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Aug 17 18:47:25 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:47:25 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com AUGUST 18 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: SPACE DOES NOT CARE I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #19). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Space Does Not Care (show #19) Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. BLACK MOTH SUPER RAINBOW - "Forever Heavy/Rollerdisco/Neon Syrup For the Cemetary Sisters/Caterpillar House" (from Dandelion Gum - Graveface) CHUCK SPEAKS ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Overture/Nuclear Sun" (from Other Music - Kairos) ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Creature" (from Creature of the Velvet Void - Black Widow) ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Brainticket" (from Odysseum Galacti - ArcMet) CHUCK SPEAKS FAUST - "Hurricane" (from You Know Faust - Klangbad) FAUST - "Take Care/Spiel/Dr. Hansl" (from Ravvivando - Klangbad) VAS DEFERENS ORGANIZATION - "Tao City Hovercraft" (from Sweat Your Cheeses... - Charnel) GONG - "Elephant la Tete/Mother's Gone/Elephant la Cuisse" (from Shapeshifter - Light Year) WINDY & CARL - "Lighthouse" (from Drawing of Sound - Blue Flea) FUXA - "Strange News From the Angels" (from Fuxa 2000 - Rocket Girl) CHUCK SPEAKS HELIOS CREED - "Master Blaster/Go Blind/Big Clown" (from Boxing the Clown - Amphetamine Reptile) SUN ZOOM SPARK - "March of the Chrome Police" (from You've Been Duplicated: Burning Chrome to Disc in the Cyberage - Aktivator) DRUNKEN GUNMEN - "Zombie Warfare" (from You've Been Duplicated...) ORGONE - "Jonestown" (from You've Been Duplicated) CHROME - "ST 37" (from Alien Soundtracks - Noiseville) CHUCK SPEAKS ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE & the MELTING PARAISO U.F.O. - "Space Bambino" (from Wild Gals a Go Go - Riot Season/Swordfish) FAUST - "C Pluus" (from You Know Faust) BLACK HEART PROCESSION w/SOLBAKKEN - "Your Cave" (from In the Fishtank 11 - Touch & Go/Konkurrent) PROJECT SKYWARD - "Distant Blue" (from Strange Synchronicities - Nebula) GONG - "Goddess Invocation/OM Riff" (from Shapeshifter) KNIGHTS of the OCCASIONAL TABLE - "Trunky Wants a Bun" (from Les Elephants du Paradis - Middle Earth/Jungle) CHUCK SPEAKS ANUBIAN LIGHTS - "Babu's Kitchen" (from Outflight EP - Crippled Dick Hotwax) SPACE RITUAL - "Walking Backwards" (from Otherworld - Esoteric) http://Aural-Innovations.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 18 08:57:22 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:57:22 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK Integration CD: on German Ebay Message-ID: yet another copy of 'Integration; has surfaced in Germany. This disc has been out of print for nine years. This is the original release on Lollipop Shope Records, Berlin. check it out at: http://cgi.ebay.de/SLOTERDIJK:-Integration----RAR-!!!--HAWKWIND_W0QQitemZ260463769905QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090817?IMSfp=TL090817181002r26512 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 18 10:02:29 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:02:29 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care show In-Reply-To: <067C4DCBACA644D8AA3463A81B684A56@kranman> Message-ID: Wot? Nothing from the new Litmus? Or is it not properly out yet? Cheers, Carl On 17 Aug 2009, at 17:47 , Jerry Kranitz wrote: > http://Aural-Innovations.com > > AUGUST 18 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: SPACE DOES NOT CARE > > I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #19). See the > playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both > streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio > shows page > at: > http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html > > Space Does Not Care (show #19) > > Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from > 1999-2003 > at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of > that time. > The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is > secured by > Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/ > Noise-rock. > > BLACK MOTH SUPER RAINBOW - "Forever Heavy/Rollerdisco/Neon Syrup For > the > Cemetary Sisters/Caterpillar House" (from Dandelion Gum - Graveface) > CHUCK SPEAKS > ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Overture/Nuclear Sun" (from Other Music - > Kairos) > ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Creature" (from Creature of the Velvet > Void - > Black Widow) > ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Brainticket" (from Odysseum Galacti - > ArcMet) > CHUCK SPEAKS > FAUST - "Hurricane" (from You Know Faust - Klangbad) > FAUST - "Take Care/Spiel/Dr. Hansl" (from Ravvivando - Klangbad) > VAS DEFERENS ORGANIZATION - "Tao City Hovercraft" (from Sweat Your > Cheeses... - Charnel) > GONG - "Elephant la Tete/Mother's Gone/Elephant la Cuisse" (from > Shapeshifter - Light Year) > WINDY & CARL - "Lighthouse" (from Drawing of Sound - Blue Flea) > FUXA - "Strange News From the Angels" (from Fuxa 2000 - Rocket Girl) > CHUCK SPEAKS > HELIOS CREED - "Master Blaster/Go Blind/Big Clown" (from Boxing the > Clown - > Amphetamine Reptile) > SUN ZOOM SPARK - "March of the Chrome Police" (from You've Been > Duplicated: > Burning Chrome to Disc in the Cyberage - Aktivator) > DRUNKEN GUNMEN - "Zombie Warfare" (from You've Been Duplicated...) > ORGONE - "Jonestown" (from You've Been Duplicated) > CHROME - "ST 37" (from Alien Soundtracks - Noiseville) > CHUCK SPEAKS > ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE & the MELTING PARAISO U.F.O. - "Space > Bambino" (from > Wild Gals a Go Go - Riot Season/Swordfish) > FAUST - "C Pluus" (from You Know Faust) > BLACK HEART PROCESSION w/SOLBAKKEN - "Your Cave" (from In the > Fishtank 11 - > Touch & Go/Konkurrent) > PROJECT SKYWARD - "Distant Blue" (from Strange Synchronicities - > Nebula) > GONG - "Goddess Invocation/OM Riff" (from Shapeshifter) > KNIGHTS of the OCCASIONAL TABLE - "Trunky Wants a Bun" (from Les > Elephants > du Paradis - Middle Earth/Jungle) > CHUCK SPEAKS > ANUBIAN LIGHTS - "Babu's Kitchen" (from Outflight EP - Crippled Dick > Hotwax) > SPACE RITUAL - "Walking Backwards" (from Otherworld - Esoteric) > > http://Aural-Innovations.com > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 18 10:05:15 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:05:15 +0100 Subject: Hotels for london? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 18 13:49:09 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:09 -0400 Subject: Hotels for london? In-Reply-To: <200908181405.n7IE5Fb4003898@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I was booked at the Hyde PArk, but due to finances not being what I would like them to be, I have changed it to the Garden Court Hotel. It's on Kensington Gardens Squars, Notting Hill W2 4BG. ?48.00 for the Saturday. -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:05 Subject: Hotels for london? Having been swamped at work for too long, I've left this kinda late. here is everyone else staying? FoFP - he University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in cotland, with registration number SC005336. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Aug 18 14:19:35 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:19:35 -0500 Subject: HW: pubs for porchester In-Reply-To: <8CBEE43528084D6-A54-3CE8@webmail-dh17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: So on this theme, were folks planning on getting together before/afterwards somewhere (which for us seems to be semitraditionally at a pub.) Anyone know any good pubs in the Porchester area? Arin On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, stevepxr5 at AOL.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: Hotels for london? : :I was booked at the Hyde PArk, but due to finances not being what I would like them to be, I have changed it to the Garden Court Hotel. It's on Kensington Gardens Squars, Notting Hill W2 4BG. : :?48.00 for the Saturday. : : :-----Original Message----- :From: M Holmes :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:05 :Subject: Hotels for london? : : : : :Having been swamped at work for too long, I've left this kinda late. :here is everyone else staying? :FoFP : :- :he University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in :cotland, with registration number SC005336. : : :________________________________________________________________________ :AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 18 19:34:36 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:34:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Arin Komins wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > : Just for reference, it seems so: > :http://www.fu-manchu.com/funews.html > Sadly, I didn't first think of the band when this popped up, but rather > the series of Sax Rohmer books. > > Plus, when Mike mentioned the fiendish plot of Fu Manchu, I immediately > assumed that there were dacoits and kidnapped scientists involved. > > I don't know whether to be disappointed when it turns out that we were > talking about the band. I have to confess, I know what you mean. It's one of the few disappointments of the band that aside from using it, they don't really *do* anything with the name. I'd hope at least for bootlace moustaches and silk robes on stage :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Inner City Unit - _The Maximum Effect_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 18 19:43:24 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:43:24 +0100 Subject: Steve Swindell's missing B side In-Reply-To: <208360E6-E8BC-4608-A398-B99D310DA13F@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:42, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> Nope, you should interpret it that Fresh Blood has been reissued on CD by >> Atomhenge just recently! And really good it is! This *is* good news. I passed on the chance of a vinyl copy at the Cosmic Puffin Festival (doubtless because of being knocked out by the brilliance of Trev & Kev), even though I've never seen one otherwise, because it was so warped and scratched there was really no chance of it being listenable. So someone producing a listenable version sounds good to me! Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 18 20:08:44 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:08:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond was I forgot already In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908111509j588c2090h527e6aecfb799872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, mike coleman wrote: > Have they ever put Bevis and Twink 'Magic Eye" on CD yet? > I want that Not as far as I know. I spoke to Nick about this album once, when it was most of the Frond I owned, and he gave me to understand that although Twink was fabulous to play music with, the amount of grief that ensued over the money almost made him wish he'd never bothered. So I can imagine there'd be problems agreeing on any kind of reissue... Yours, Jon ObLP: Bevis Frond - _Son of Walter_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 19 00:56:06 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:56:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond was I forgot already In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/18/09, *Guanomind* wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, mike coleman wrote: > >> Have they ever put Bevis and Twink 'Magic Eye" on CD yet? >> I want that >> Not as far as I know. I spoke to Nick about this album once, when >> it was most of the Frond I owned, and he gave me to understand that although >> Twink was fabulous to play music with, the amount of grief that ensued over >> the money almost made him wish he'd never bothered. So I can imagine there'd >> be problems agreeing on any kind of reissue... Yours, >> >> >> Oh cool jon, that's even better.......(nudge, non-freaky wink. lol) I'll >> get another platter when I'm ready >> >> >> > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Aug 19 05:05:38 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:05:38 -0400 Subject: New Litmus [Was: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care show] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Wot? Nothing from the new Litmus? Or is it not properly out yet?<< I'm pretty sure it's out, I've just not received a copy yet. Jerry Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:02:29 -0500 From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: Re: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care show Wot? Nothing from the new Litmus? Or is it not properly out yet? Cheers, Carl On 17 Aug 2009, at 17:47 , Jerry Kranitz wrote: > http://Aural-Innovations.com > > AUGUST 18 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: SPACE DOES NOT CARE > > I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #19). See the > playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both > streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio > shows page > at: > http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html > > Space Does Not Care (show #19) > > Chuck Rosenberg did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from > 1999-2003 > at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that > time. > The format of the new online version of Space Does Not Care is secured > by Chuck under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/ > Noise-rock. > > BLACK MOTH SUPER RAINBOW - "Forever Heavy/Rollerdisco/Neon Syrup For > the Cemetary Sisters/Caterpillar House" (from Dandelion Gum - > Graveface) CHUCK SPEAKS ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Overture/Nuclear > Sun" (from Other Music - > Kairos) > ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Creature" (from Creature of the Velvet Void > - Black Widow) ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR - "Brainticket" (from Odysseum > Galacti - > ArcMet) > CHUCK SPEAKS > FAUST - "Hurricane" (from You Know Faust - Klangbad) FAUST - "Take > Care/Spiel/Dr. Hansl" (from Ravvivando - Klangbad) VAS DEFERENS > ORGANIZATION - "Tao City Hovercraft" (from Sweat Your Cheeses... - > Charnel) GONG - "Elephant la Tete/Mother's Gone/Elephant la Cuisse" > (from Shapeshifter - Light Year) WINDY & CARL - "Lighthouse" (from > Drawing of Sound - Blue Flea) FUXA - "Strange News From the Angels" > (from Fuxa 2000 - Rocket Girl) CHUCK SPEAKS HELIOS CREED - "Master > Blaster/Go Blind/Big Clown" (from Boxing the Clown - Amphetamine > Reptile) SUN ZOOM SPARK - "March of the Chrome Police" (from You've > Been > Duplicated: > Burning Chrome to Disc in the Cyberage - Aktivator) DRUNKEN GUNMEN - > "Zombie Warfare" (from You've Been Duplicated...) ORGONE - "Jonestown" > (from You've Been Duplicated) CHROME - "ST 37" (from Alien Soundtracks > - Noiseville) CHUCK SPEAKS ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE & the MELTING PARAISO > U.F.O. - "Space Bambino" (from Wild Gals a Go Go - Riot > Season/Swordfish) FAUST - "C Pluus" (from You Know Faust) BLACK HEART > PROCESSION w/SOLBAKKEN - "Your Cave" (from In the Fishtank 11 - Touch > & Go/Konkurrent) PROJECT SKYWARD - "Distant Blue" (from Strange > Synchronicities - > Nebula) > GONG - "Goddess Invocation/OM Riff" (from Shapeshifter) KNIGHTS of the > OCCASIONAL TABLE - "Trunky Wants a Bun" (from Les Elephants du Paradis > - Middle Earth/Jungle) CHUCK SPEAKS ANUBIAN LIGHTS - "Babu's Kitchen" > (from Outflight EP - Crippled Dick > Hotwax) > SPACE RITUAL - "Walking Backwards" (from Otherworld - Esoteric) > > http://Aural-Innovations.com > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Aural-Innovations.com -----Original Message----- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 19 06:04:27 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:04:27 +0100 Subject: Hotels for london? In-Reply-To: stevepxr5@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 19 06:06:04 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:06:04 +0100 Subject: Who's at London? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 19 12:16:11 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:16:11 -0700 Subject: Who's at London? Message-ID: I may have to arrange one of those rent-a-phone deals.... Will update you once I do some research (unless any veterans of intercontinental travel have any recommendations). Steve -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes Date: Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 6:08 am Subject: Who's at London? To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET I was thinking mebbe we should collect mobile phone numbers so we can organise meets over the weekend... Mine is: 0778 070 1391 FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Aug 19 16:25:36 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:25:36 +0000 Subject: HW BBC Radio 3 Hawkwind on the 'Proms' In-Reply-To: <200908191006.n7JA64hs014620@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m68x7 ? Start listening just before 13 minutes!!! ? Enjoy!! ? Mick From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 19 17:00:37 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:00:37 +0100 Subject: HW BBC Radio 3 Hawkwind on the 'Proms' In-Reply-To: <899605.22022.qm@web86210.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A companion piece to the Buddah tapes eh? Thanks for that! On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Mick Crook wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m68x7 > > Start listening just before 13 minutes!!! > > Enjoy!! > > Mick > > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 19 17:56:36 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:56:36 -0400 Subject: HW BBC Radio 3 Hawkwind on the 'Proms' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It sounds like Hayseed Dixie... ..............At the Royal Albert Hall??? Get the Hawks a booking. Hawkwind at the Royal Albert Hall... I can see it now............... ....and why not! Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:00 Subject: Re: HW BBC Radio 3 Hawkwind on the 'Proms' A companion piece to the Buddah tapes eh? Thanks for that! On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Mick Crook wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m68x7 > > Start listening just before 13 minutes!!! > > Enjoy!! > > Mick > > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Aug 20 06:23:17 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:23:17 +0200 Subject: HW Portchester Message-ID: Hello Everyone I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... Here is who I predict will play: Spacehead Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) Tribe of Cro Huw lloyd langton solo Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... see some of you.. remember your small gift! scott From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 20 07:28:41 2009 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:28:41 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey guys, is this valid??tim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET LISTSERV Server (15.5) < LISTSERV at listserv.ispnetinc.net> Date: Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:00 AM Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list To: heathcliff13 at gmail.com Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:00:00 Your subscription to the BOC-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to remain subscribed to BOC-L, please issue the following command to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET at your earliest convenience: CONFIRM BOC-L You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. The simplest way to do this is to click on the following link: http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?LCMD=CONFIRM+BOC-L&L=BOC-L -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 20 07:41:47 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:41:47 -0400 Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list In-Reply-To: <8809f5fb0908200428gc20e9c6xf80c5176200814bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It looks valid. Certainly there's nothing dangerous about sending that command to the list server, and that is the correct email address for the list server. Which leaves open the question why it believes that you need to be renewed. As far as I know, the list has no renewal policy, unless it's set for people who haven't posted in X amount of time... Remember the command should be in the body of the message on a line by itself, the listserv will ignore Subject lines and other cruft... Steve On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:28 AM, tim elliott wrote: > Hey guys, is this valid??tim > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET LISTSERV Server (15.5) < > LISTSERV at listserv.ispnetinc.net> > Date: Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:00 AM > Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list > To: heathcliff13 at gmail.com > > > Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:00:00 > > Your subscription to ?the BOC-L list is ?due for renewal. If ?you wish to > remain ?subscribed ?to ?BOC-L, ?please issue ?the ?following ?command ?to > LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET at your earliest convenience: > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? CONFIRM BOC-L > > You will ?be automatically ?removed from the ?list if you ?do not ?send a > CONFIRM command within the ?next 14 days. The simplest way ?to do this is > to click on the following link: > > ?http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?LCMD=CONFIRM+BOC-L&L=BOC-L > > > > -- > tim ?8>)... > http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 20 08:00:53 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:00:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Portchester roll call Message-ID: I'll be at both shows. I'll probably be wearing my Tim Fulcher-designed "Nethawks" t-shirt. I'm in the process of getting a London cell phone. Can we get a roll call of who else is attending? So far I know of: Friday: Steve Mike Saturday: Steve Mike Scott Keith And I know Jill is going to one or both nights, and I *think* Bernhard mentioned going...? Who else? Steve On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:23 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Hello Everyone > > I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... > > Here is who I predict will play: > > Spacehead > Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) > Tribe of Cro > Huw lloyd langton solo > Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) > Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, > Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison > http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind > > Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. > > I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... > > see some of you.. remember your small gift! > > scott > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 20 08:35:20 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:35:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Portchester roll call In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908200500i62b11fadob753e70d2e828840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rich and I will be at both nights. Thanks, Arin On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Steve Swann wrote: :Subject: HW: Portchester roll call : :I'll be at both shows. I'll probably be wearing my Tim :Fulcher-designed "Nethawks" t-shirt. I'm in the process of getting a :London cell phone. : :Can we get a roll call of who else is attending? : :So far I know of: : :Friday: :Steve :Mike : :Saturday: :Steve :Mike :Scott :Keith : :And I know Jill is going to one or both nights, and I *think* Bernhard :mentioned going...? : :Who else? : :Steve : : :On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:23 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: :> Hello Everyone :> :> I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... :> :> Here is who I predict will play: :> :> Spacehead :> Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) :> Tribe of Cro :> Huw lloyd langton solo :> Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) :> Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, :> Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison :> http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind :> :> Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. :> :> I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... :> :> see some of you.. remember your small gift! :> :> scott :> : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Aug 20 08:35:41 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:35:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Portchester roll call In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908200500i62b11fadob753e70d2e828840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arin Rich Will be at both Nights :-) Steve Swann wrote: > I'll be at both shows. I'll probably be wearing my Tim > Fulcher-designed "Nethawks" t-shirt. I'm in the process of getting a > London cell phone. > > Can we get a roll call of who else is attending? > > So far I know of: > > Friday: > Steve > Mike > > Saturday: > Steve > Mike > Scott > Keith > > And I know Jill is going to one or both nights, and I *think* Bernhard > mentioned going...? > > Who else? > > Steve > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:23 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > >> Hello Everyone >> >> I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... >> >> Here is who I predict will play: >> >> Spacehead >> Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) >> Tribe of Cro >> Huw lloyd langton solo >> Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) >> Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, >> Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison >> http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind >> >> Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. >> >> I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... >> >> see some of you.. remember your small gift! >> >> scott >> >> > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 20 09:22:02 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:22:02 +0100 Subject: Patrick Moore and Hawkwind Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 20 09:25:18 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:25:18 +0100 Subject: HW Portchester In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:23:17 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Aug 20 09:38:40 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:38:40 -0400 Subject: happy Birthday Message-ID: Best wishes to our captain for a happy birthday, and a belated happy birthday to Kris too. Love, Mary From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Aug 20 10:19:32 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:32 -0400 Subject: Patrick Moore and Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <200908201322.n7KDM27U005469@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:22 AM, M Holmes wrote: > He had them do the Kids to Space music, and yet: > > http://thequietus.com/articles/01994-space-rock-the-final-frontier-sir-patrick-m > oore-on-interplanetary-pop Loved Sir Patrick's input, especially gems like this: Sir Patrick says: "To my ear, all these songs are universally awful." Cheers, Paul. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Aug 20 11:50:58 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:50:58 +0000 Subject: old mp3 from The One Eyed Bishops 2005 or 2006? ( Buzz's Tavern, Mt. Holly, NJ ) Message-ID: I'm not sure who uploaded this tune or how it sounds..It may have been put up by our guitarist Greg Elwell. In any case, it was the last gig of the lineup which included Jay Adcock on drums. Buzz's tavern, in Mt. Holly, New Jersey. The photo however is from a much earlier gig with The Brain Surgeons in 2003. If you look closely you can see their banner hanging in the distance. The tune is 'The Last Time', by The Rolling Stones ( played the OEB way ) Cheers! Mike http://www.purevolume.com/theoneeyedbishops http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 20 12:33:57 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:33:57 +0100 Subject: Be Seeing You? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Aug 20 13:43:37 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:43:37 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908201633.n7KGXvTM025108@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2009, at 12:33 PM, M Holmes wrote: > They've taken the single best ever television series. They've > surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. They've crossed it with > James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > > There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ Be Seeing You? Not bloody likely! Mike, that is awful. Why? WHY? Cheers, Paul. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Aug 20 13:51:17 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:51:17 +0000 Subject: HW Portchester In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D414E7CD@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Tarantism mention on their website that they are playing both dates. Mick ? ? --- On Thu, 20/8/09, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: From: SHLL (Scott Heller) Subject: HW Portchester To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 11:23 AM Hello Everyone I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... Here is who I predict will play: Spacehead Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) Tribe of Cro Huw lloyd langton solo Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... see some of you.. remember your small gift! scott From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Aug 20 14:04:20 2009 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:04:20 +0100 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908201633.n7KGXvTM025108@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > They've taken the single best ever television series. They've > surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. They've crossed it with > James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > > There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > I have such low expectations of US re-imaginings of cult British TV series that I needn't have bothered watching any of it to realise that it would, to use the American term, suck. It's the same thing as Hollywood's pointless remakes of classic films - why do they bother when the end result is always going to be compared unfavourably to the original. -- Tim http://www.kalyr.com/weblog From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Aug 20 14:18:07 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:18:07 +0000 Subject: old mp3 from The One Eyed Bishops 2005 or 2006? ( Buzz's Tavern, Mt. Holly, NJ ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: just got an email from Greg.. He says this was probably from the summer of 2006. An outside show at Buzz's and NOT the infamous final gig there.. From: sloterdijk at msn.com To: ir004728 at mindspring.com; boc-l at listserv.ispnetinc.net; cratylus7 at msn.com; greg.elwell at gmail.com; hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; bcrich78 at comcast.net; njdrmr at yahoo.com; buzzstavern at verizon.net; nexus at panix.com; spacerockers at yhoogroups.com CC: sloterdijk at msn.com Subject: old mp3 from The One Eyed Bishops 2005 or 2006? ( Buzz's Tavern, Mt. Holly, NJ ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:50:58 +0000 I'm not sure who uploaded this tune or how it sounds..It may have been put up by our guitarist Greg Elwell. In any case, it was the last gig of the lineup which included Jay Adcock on drums. Buzz's tavern, in Mt. Holly, New Jersey. The photo however is from a much earlier gig with The Brain Surgeons in 2003. If you look closely you can see their banner hanging in the distance. The tune is 'The Last Time', by The Rolling Stones ( played the OEB way ) Cheers! Mike http://www.purevolume.com/theoneeyedbishops http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Aug 20 14:28:54 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:28:54 +0000 Subject: HW Captain on Chris Evans Show In-Reply-To: <238249.62856.qm@web86203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00m41vs ? Starts at 22 mins....... ? Cheers, Mick From converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM Thu Aug 20 14:36:38 2009 From: converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM (Samantha Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:36:38 +0000 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908201633.n7KGXvTM025108@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >There Is No Escape, from bad television: Indeed...! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 20 14:41:31 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:41:31 +0100 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 20 16:49:35 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:49:35 -0400 Subject: HW Portchester In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D414E7CD@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: It would be worth the price of admission, twice that even, for a solo acoustic set from Dave. Birthday happenings are traditionally suprises, so we will only find out on the day what we will get. I would hate to find that as I sat eating a pub lunch, Dave was doing an acoustic set, or I missed a warm up from Hawkwind themselves. So I'll wait for text messages to let me know how my team fared that day and will be there as soon as I can... which I anticipate to be 14:31. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: SHLL (Scott Heller) To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:23 Subject: HW Portchester Hello Everyone I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at 14 and show starts at 15, correct? I guess we will try to have a huge lunch at 12 and then head over there. Still no line ups announced? I wonder if on the 29th if they will reverse the order of the bands and start with Hawkwind since all their gear will be set up from the night before, rather than tear it all down and have to set it all up again.... Here is who I predict will play: Spacehead Tim Blake solo (very boring new age stuff, so go get something to eat) Tribe of Cro Huw lloyd langton solo Dave Brock solo acoustic (short set) Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind (which may include Mr Dibs, El barto, Mr Fleese, Mr Cogan, Billy "007" Fleming, Mr F, Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton, Richard Chadwick,Marty Krel, Dumpy, Mr Pattison http://www.myspace.com/techniciansofspaceshiphawkwind Finally Hawkwind playing a set pretty close to what they played earlier this year with perhaps Huw joining but maybe not. Dave hinted in the BBC interview it was about celebrating Hawkwind and the future and not the past... We will find out the set this this weekend after the Beautful days festival. I predict we won't see simon, harvey, any of the space ritual people (unless they crash the party). Would be great if nik bought his own ticket and showed up and entertained us...... see some of you.. remember your small gift! scott ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 20 17:12:04 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: HW Portchester In-Reply-To: <200908201325.n7KDPItg005670@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Don't Panic! -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:25 Subject: Re: HW Portchester Scott Heller writes: > Hello Everyone > I will be going to the original sat. 29th show and I know Keith > Henderson is also going (He arrives at my place tonight). Doors open at > 14 and show starts at 15, correct? What??? Are Hawkwind playing at 15.00 on the Friday too??? Some of us can't be ion London by then. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Aug 20 17:35:59 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:35:59 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908201633.n7KGXvTM025108@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > They've taken the single best ever television series. They've > surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. They've crossed it with > James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > > There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > > FoFP > I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes 'Weeds'. Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV again. From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 20 17:40:04 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:40:04 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <942941.79772.qm@web24006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is... -----Original Message----- From: Samantha Fitzpatrick To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:36 Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? >There Is No Escape, from bad television: Indeed...! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM Thu Aug 20 17:51:21 2009 From: converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM (Samantha Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:51:21 +0000 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <8CBEFF5E9ED59AA-D60-AF3B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: .... Yeah.. okay there is ..? I never really watch the damn thing to be honest... play music virtually 24/7... : ) --- On Thu, 20/8/09, stevepxr5 at AOL.COM wrote: From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 9:40 PM There is... -----Original Message----- From: Samantha Fitzpatrick To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:36 Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? >There Is No Escape, from bad television: Indeed...! ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 20 18:20:58 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:20:58 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <4A8DC1BF.6000506@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: HBO seems to be almost the last refuge of good American television (there is such a thing, honest), disregarding such obvious flukes as the Sci Fi channel somehow contriving to put the new Battlestar Galactica on the air. They must have woke up on the right side of the bed for once, or maybe it was their audience receiving a massive karmic refund for decades of stuff like Warbirds: http://www.moviepro.net/download/preview/warbirds-video-preview--203321.html I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... Steve On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Jerry G wrote: > M Holmes wrote: >> >> They've taken the single best ever television series. ?They've >> surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. ?They've crossed it with >> James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. >> >> There Is No Escape, from bad television: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ >> >> FoFP >> > > ?I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes 'Weeds'. > Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV again. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 03:27:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:27:38 -0500 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <8CBEFF5E9ED59AA-D60-AF3B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/09, stevepxr5 at aol.com wrote: > > There is... Having just been gifted a nice new big one, and the thrill of refusing to chase a goverment coupon to get a digital converter so I can watch it waning, I'm thinking erasable coloured markers might be the next logical step...... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 21 08:03:28 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:03:28 +0100 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: Jerry G's message of Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 21 08:23:44 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:23:44 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908210027s72395ea3y64252198407f6489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Aug 21, 2009, at 3:27 AM, mike coleman wrote: > Having just been gifted a nice new big one, and the thrill of > refusing to > chase a goverment coupon to get a digital converter so I can watch it > waning, I'm thinking erasable coloured markers might be the next > logical > step...... You've missed the boat my old friend. The deadline for applying for a coupon was 31st July. So, unless your powers of forgery are good, it looks like you've missed out on the $40 bung. I have to say, I consider the implementation of DTV in the USA not as good as FreeView in the UK, which I much prefer. I suppose it's just a not so subtle way of driving punters towards cable TV or DirectTV. Still, I did gain an extra PBS channel in the switch-over, so I can't complain... Cheers, Paul. PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in case. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 10:10:11 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:10:11 -0500 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <543323DD-C41C-4E3C-97D9-78DA67B405FD@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: (Paul wrote) PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV > receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in > case. > I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit there I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... From ben at TMK.COM Fri Aug 21 11:25:44 2009 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:25:44 -0400 Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908200441p2ba2940eu8371462e83b26f14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > It looks valid. Certainly there's nothing dangerous about sending > that command to the list server, and that is the correct email address > for the list server. Which leaves open the question why it believes > that you need to be renewed. As far as I know, the list has no > renewal policy, unless it's set for people who haven't posted in X > amount of time... It's valid and the listserv does the renewal confirmation thing once a year for every subscriber. Even I get that mail on my "anniversary", so don't let it bother you. Ben From asg at MVDBASE.COM Fri Aug 21 11:51:27 2009 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:51:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list In-Reply-To: <20090821152544.GA21693@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: On Friday 21 August 2009, Ben Cohen wrote: > It's valid and the listserv does the renewal confirmation thing once a year > for every subscriber. Even I get that mail on my "anniversary", so don't > let it bother you. Weird. I don't remember ever getting that in all the years I've been on BOC-L :-o Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://www.alexsgarcia.com/ Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 12:26:46 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:26:46 -0700 Subject: OFF: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list Message-ID: I don't remember getting it either, but I've been told that memory is the second thing to go.... Steve -----Original Message----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 11:54 am Subject: Re: OFF: Renewal of your subscription to the BOC-L list To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On Friday 21 August 2009, Ben Cohen wrote: It's valid and the listserv does the renewal confirmation thing once a year for every subscriber. Even I get that mail on my "anniversary", so don't let it bother you. Weird. I don't remember ever getting that in all the years I've been on BOC-L :-o Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://www.alexsgarcia.com/ Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 12:57:13 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:57:13 -0500 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content Message-ID: I just had to share this it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe something is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the machine" (whatever that is) memory loss is good too ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike coleman Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: dearest soon departed if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick then get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning copy of "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my door From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Aug 21 14:19:01 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:19:01 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908210710l2326cde7u9409f3e348980840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've never used my new TV, when my brother drops by, he may, but anything I want should be on youtube. If there is any half decent science fiction on local TV I'd like to get names of shows? I do like to stay up to date with that, but refuse to pay for cable. I have better things to spend my money on. Peace, Mary P.S. In Bab. 5 they adopted the sollute and the phrase "Be seeing you," among the psi cops. I wish I could watch the original series of The Prisoner the series with someone, so I could get the finer details described. I understand it's quite a mind bender. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? (Paul wrote) PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV > receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in > case. > I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit there I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 14:38:59 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:38:59 -0700 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content Message-ID: Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) Steve they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking consolation in numbers -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET I just had to share this it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe something is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the machine" (whatever that is) memory loss is good too ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike coleman Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: dearest soon departed if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick then get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning copy of "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my door From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Aug 21 15:03:58 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:03:58 -0500 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary, I can recommend Eureka as half decent sf. Good classic utopian mad science stuff. (Not, mind, necessarily *accurate* science, but definitely mad science :-) ) Arin On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, mary wrote: :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : :I've never used my new TV, when my brother drops by, he may, but anything I :want should be on youtube. If there is any half decent science fiction on :local TV I'd like to get names of shows? I do like to stay up to date with :that, but refuse to pay for cable. I have better things to spend my money :on. : :Peace, : :Mary :P.S. In Bab. 5 they adopted the sollute and the phrase "Be seeing you," :among the psi cops. I wish I could watch the original series of The :Prisoner the series with someone, so I could get the finer details :described. I understand it's quite a mind bender. : : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman :Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10 AM :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : : :(Paul wrote) : :PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV :> receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in :> case. :> :I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does :have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade :to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit :there :I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly :wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this :other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't :Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked :But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet :If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts :piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 15:35:33 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:35:33 -0700 Subject: Be Seeing You? Message-ID: Eureka feels like it's still waiting to happen. The first episode gave me amazingly great expectations of the show, which a couple seasons in I'm basically still waiting to be fulfilled.... :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Mary, I can recommend Eureka as half decent sf. Good classic utopian mad science stuff. (Not, mind, necessarily *accurate* science, but definitely mad science :-) ) Arin On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, mary wrote: :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : :I've never used my new TV, when my brother drops by, he may, but anything I :want should be on youtube. If there is any half decent science fiction on :local TV I'd like to get names of shows? I do like to stay up to date with :that, but refuse to pay for cable. I have better things to spend my money :on. : :Peace, : :Mary :P.S. In Bab. 5 they adopted the sollute and the phrase "Be seeing you," :among the psi cops. I wish I could watch the original series of The :Prisoner the series with someone, so I could get the finer details :described. I understand it's quite a mind bender. : : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman :Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10 AM :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : : :(Paul wrote) : :PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV :> receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in :> case. :> :I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does :have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade :to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit :there :I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly :wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this :other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't :Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked :But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet :If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts :piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Fri Aug 21 15:41:45 2009 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:41:45 +0100 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908211203.n7LC3Slv027578@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Jerry G writes: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > > > > FoFP > > > I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > > 'Weeds'. Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about > > getting TV again. > > I was a big fan of Weeds. The other hasn't made it here yet. > > FoFP Yes it has. True Blood is currently being shown on FX. It's half way through the series now, but worth checking out if and when they repeat it. Jas. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Aug 21 16:30:37 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:30:37 -0500 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <3333713731.7853071@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I miss the plot arc of season 1, actually...as I like shows that build towards a conclusion.....but it's still mostly the best example of mad science on tv that I've seen in awhile. (They could stand to ditch the silly love interest, and make it even more classic 50's utopian sf, but in this day and age that'd be unlikely :-) ) Arin On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Steve wrote: :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : :Eureka feels like it's still waiting to happen. The first episode gave me amazingly great expectations of the show, which a couple seasons in I'm basically still waiting to be fulfilled.... :) : :Steve : :-----Original Message----- :From: Arin Komins :Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 3:06 pm :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? :To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET : :Mary, : :I can recommend Eureka as half decent sf. Good classic utopian mad :science stuff. : :(Not, mind, necessarily *accurate* science, but definitely mad science :-) ) : :Arin : :On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, mary wrote: : ::Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? :: ::I've never used my new TV, when my brother drops by, he may, but anything I ::want should be on youtube. If there is any half decent science fiction on ::local TV I'd like to get names of shows? I do like to stay up to date with ::that, but refuse to pay for cable. I have better things to spend my money ::on. :: ::Peace, :: ::Mary ::P.S. In Bab. 5 they adopted the sollute and the phrase "Be seeing you," ::among the psi cops. I wish I could watch the original series of The ::Prisoner the series with someone, so I could get the finer details ::described. I understand it's quite a mind bender. :: :: ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List ::[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman ::Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10 AM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET ::Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? :: :: ::(Paul wrote) :: ::PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV ::> receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in ::> case. ::> ::I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does ::have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade ::to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit ::there ::I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly ::wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this ::other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't ::Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked ::But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet ::If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts ::piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... :: : : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Fri Aug 21 17:38:33 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:38:33 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <200908211203.n7LC3Slv027578@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > I was a big fan of Weeds. The other hasn't made it here yet. > > If you want to watch a great series though, try "The Shield" or > "Dexter". That's a level of writing that's been very rarely seen in > television. > Thanks Mike, I remember a discussion on the list a while back about 'The Shield', but haven't had a chance to try and track it down yet. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 21 20:12:30 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:12:30 -0500 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <3333710338.7628625@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Done (period) On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: > > Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his > keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) > > Steve > they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking > consolation in numbers > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm > Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I just had to share this > it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime > this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I > equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe something > is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the > machine" (whatever that is) > memory loss is good too > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: mike coleman > Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM > Subject: dearest soon departed > > if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never living > to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and groping for a > fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you don't, only to learn > that your sack of DVDs was a wick > then > get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning copy > of > "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man > with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my > door > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 03:51:16 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:51:16 -0500 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908211712o32c7b66cy1f16be63e72f59ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am embarrased about this thread. 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. 2) I was tired. There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Done (period) > > > > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: >> >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) >> >> Steve >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking >> consolation in numbers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mike coleman >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> I just had to share this >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe something >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the >> machine" (whatever that is) >> memory loss is good too >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: mike coleman >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM >> Subject: dearest soon departed >> >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick >> then >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning copy >> of >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my >> door >> > > From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 05:53:40 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:53:40 +0100 Subject: Porchester Hall Saturday 29 August Ticket Message-ID: Hi All, My friend and fellow Hawkwind Fan is unable to come to the Porchester Hall gig on 29th, so I have a spare ticket. Short notice but he does have a real reason. I only want the price I paid for it, which I can't remember exactly, but was about ?30 (?25 face value, postage fee, See Tickets gratutitous profit charge etc.) Anyone who'd like it send me a private email e_clout (at) hotmail.com and the first that's convenient for me can have it. I can send it first class on Monday, or meet on the day, I'll be pitching up between 2pm, doors open and 3pm when music starts, at the latest. Mundo _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 11:40:15 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:40:15 -0400 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908220051n10e90f85h4ddae71e38eda563@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What's "Psychic Killer"? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman wrote: > I am embarrased about this thread. > 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. > 2) I was tired. > There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. > sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. > > > > On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > > Done (period) > > > > > > > > > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: > >> > >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his > >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) > >> > >> Steve > >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if > seeking > >> consolation in numbers > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mike coleman > >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm > >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content > >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List < > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: > >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > >> I just had to share this > >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime > >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I > >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe > something > >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the > >> machine" (whatever that is) > >> memory loss is good too > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: mike coleman > >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM > >> Subject: dearest soon departed > >> > >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never > >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and > >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you > >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick > >> then > >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning > copy > >> of > >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man > >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my > >> door > >> > > > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 22 12:11:24 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:11:24 -0400 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a facility that allows you to set the controls so that posts from an email address can get dumped into your spam folder. I have found this to be very useful. I've not missed out on anything interesting (I've seen that from the replies) and I've missed out on a hell of a lot of crap (I've seen that from the replies) Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Owen O'Neill To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:40 Subject: Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content What's "Psychic Killer"? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman wrote: > I am embarrased about this thread. 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. 2) I was tired. There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: > > Done (period) > > > > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: >> >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) >> >> Steve >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking >> consolation in numbers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mike coleman >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion=2 0List < BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> I just had to share this >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe something >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the >> machine" (whatever that is) >> memory loss is good too >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: mike coleman >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM >> Subject: dearest soon departed >> >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick >> then >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning copy >> of >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my >> door >> > > -- :.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! 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From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Aug 22 14:03:35 2009 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:03:35 +0100 Subject: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August Message-ID: Looks like there is going to be a Hawkwalk on Saturday morning - not an official event but the guy doing it seems very organised and he has written an extensive set of historical notes to be found here: http://www.starfarer.net/hawkwalk.pdf jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 14:38:24 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:38:24 -0400 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <17d80c610908220051n10e90f85h4ddae71e38eda563@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman wrote: > I am embarrased about this thread. > 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. DWI? ;-) > 2) I was tired. I was just razzin' ya about the periods. Coleman English is a strange dialect, but sometimes I almost feel that I understand it. ;-) > There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. > sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. On a distantly related note, I am very tempted to put the Hawkwind Codex into Wikipedia... Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 14:53:50 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:53:50 -0500 Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <8CBF15A54BA957B-DD4-10FEA@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: resisting temptations- I'm not satisfied with that using gmail, last I checked spam folder was as good as it got. (restraint restraint) psychic killer from the 3/4 I saw is a quite clssic piece of (I think) 1975 cheese. Now I need to see the ending. Thanks Steve S, and yes I figured that out, and if you were refering to anything intoxicated no. I was just wanting to make clear I was not being insulting to anyone about the settings, in reality. Please direct future complaints to me off forum On 8/22/09, stevepxr5 at aol.com wrote: > > There is a facility that allows you to set the controls so that posts from > an email address can get dumped into your spam folder. > > I have found this to be very useful. > > I've not missed out on anything interesting (I've seen that from the > replies) and I've missed out on a hell of a lot of crap (I've seen that from > the replies) > > > > Steve. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owen O'Neill > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:40 > Subject: Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content > > > > > What's "Psychic Killer"? > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman >wrote: > > I am embarrased about this thread. > 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. > 2) I was tired. > There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. > sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. > > > > On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > > Done (period) > > > > > > > > > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: > >> > >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his > >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) > >> > >> Steve > >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if > seeking > >> consolation in numbers > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mike coleman > >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm > >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content > >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion=2 > 0List < > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: > >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > >> I just had to share this > >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime > >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which I > >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe > something > >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the > >> machine" (whatever that is) > >> memory loss is good too > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: mike coleman > >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM > >> Subject: dearest soon departed > >> > >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never > >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and > >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you > >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick > >> then > >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning > copy > >> of > >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow man > >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to my > >> door > >> > > > > > > > -- > :.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. > Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 15:51:09 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:51:09 -0400 Subject: Hotels for london? In-Reply-To: <200908181405.n7IE5Fb4003898@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: UMI hotel: http://tinyurl.com/n3uglm Getting in Thursday morning early, will probably sleep a lot in an attempt to get over jet lag by 15:00 Fri. (Arriving in London will have the effect of lengthening my day by what, 6 hours? I'll be landing at roughly the same time in the morning that I took off.) Leaving Sunday afternoon. Steve On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Having been swamped at work for too long, I've left this kinda late. > Where is everyone else staying? > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 22 17:08:24 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:08:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I admit that I was one of those left thinking "hmmm" on California Crossing, > and haven't really followed the band since. Still, I guess they've cranked > out a steady stream of albums since then, so it may be worth giving them a > listen should they cross my transom. (Doubtless their MySpace site or > something will stream some of the new and recent tracks, if I look around > .....) I also didn't much rate _California Crossing_, it sounds poppy, and they cut their hair at the same time, it was all a bit much. That said, when I saw a double LP of live stuff from that tour I still bought it because, you know, double live LPs. It's not at all bad, and matches the gig I saw: brisk, business-like and generally on tbe ball but not quite the sprawling feast of fuzz that _Action is Go!_ might have led one to hope. The one before _California Crossing_, _King of the Road_ is an acceptable compromise between where they were and where they were going. Fu Manchu are an odd one, really; there's a definite sweet spot, as I find their early stuff too rough and stupid to really enjoy, but their current (or recent, anyway--the stuff they say on the website about the new one looks promising) sound is too radio-friendly for me. With most other bands I like to start with the first album and slowly work my way forwards; that doesn't work with Fu Manchu. Anyone else got any bands like that? > "50,000 Unstoppable Watts" _is_ a good title. I'll have to see if I find a > way to give that a listen, too! It and `Abraham Lincoln' are streamable from their website at http://www.pro-rock.com and I have to say that the latter impresses me more, but as to what the full thing sounds like, I still do not know. Yet. Come pay-day, though... Yours, Jon ObCD: Reverend Bizarre - _Harbinger of Metal_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 17:45:56 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:45:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: stoner bands of yore back to get us (was: Hawkestra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recommend checking out Ridge "Countrydelic and Fuzzed". One of my favorite up and coming stoner bands from the late 90's, destroyed by an unfortunate review on Stonerrock.com calling them a Fu Manchu clone. IMO calling them a clone was an unfair assessment of their worth - but on the other hand, if you like the early Fu Manchu sound, there's something to be said for the notion that you might like Ridge's (only) album. You can check out a song sample here. For what it's worth, this song is less heavy and propulsive than my favorites on the album, but it's representative of their overall sound. http://www.allthatisheavy.com/info.asp?item_num=ATH-740 Steve On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> I admit that I was one of those left thinking "hmmm" on California >> Crossing, and haven't really followed the band since. ?Still, I guess >> they've cranked out a steady stream of albums since then, so it may be worth >> giving them a listen should they cross my transom. ?(Doubtless their MySpace >> site or something will stream some of the new and recent tracks, if I look >> around .....) > > ? ? ? ?I also didn't much rate _California Crossing_, it sounds poppy, and > they cut their hair at the same time, it was all a bit much. That said, when > I saw a double LP of live stuff from that tour I still bought it because, > you know, double live LPs. It's not at all bad, and matches the gig I saw: > brisk, business-like and generally on tbe ball but not quite the sprawling > feast of fuzz that _Action is Go!_ might have led one to hope. The one > before _California Crossing_, _King of the Road_ is an acceptable compromise > between where they were and where they were going. > > ? ? ? ?Fu Manchu are an odd one, really; there's a definite sweet spot, as I > find their early stuff too rough and stupid to really enjoy, but their > current (or recent, anyway--the stuff they say on the website about the new > one looks promising) sound is too radio-friendly for me. With most other > bands I like to start with the first album and slowly work my way forwards; > that doesn't work with Fu Manchu. Anyone else got any bands like that? > >> "50,000 Unstoppable Watts" _is_ a good title. ?I'll have to see if I find >> a way to give that a listen, too! > > ? ? ? ?It and `Abraham Lincoln' are streamable from their website at > http://www.pro-rock.com and I have to say that the latter impresses me more, > but as to what the full thing sounds like, I still do not know. Yet. Come > pay-day, though... Yours, > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Jon > > ObCD: Reverend Bizarre - _Harbinger of Metal_ > -- > ? ? ?Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge ? ?jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ? ======================================================================= > ?"With Capitalism, man exploits man. ?With Socialism, it is exactly > opposite" > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Robert Anton Wilson > From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 22 23:30:27 2009 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:30:27 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Paging John Schwartz . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If John Schwartz is out there, would you please email me at Buzzardo7777 at Hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Aug 23 03:23:32 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:23:32 +0200 Subject: Saturday 29th August In-Reply-To: <8B71C16548B34F57892786AA11F8C21D@jillspc> Message-ID: Hi folks I'll come over for the Saturday show with a couple of friends Any chance to meet some of you ? Let me know where and when Cheers Bernhard From crimsonmirrors at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 23 03:39:58 2009 From: crimsonmirrors at GMAIL.COM (Sybaelle) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:39:58 -0500 Subject: Subject:* Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content Message-ID: >> Not to be confused with Psycho Killer (Q'est-ce que c'est?). Movie from >> 1975: A former mental patient uses astral projection to destroy the people >> he believes have wronged him. >> >> That sounds really familiar to me. I may have actually seen it. But not >> Invasion of the Saucermen. Or UFO Target Earth. >> >> *-------Original Message-------* >> >> *From:* Owen O'Neill >> *Date:* 08/22/09 10:43:32 >> *To:* BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> *Subject:* Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> >> What's "Psychic Killer"? >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman > >wrote: >> >> > I am embarrased about this thread. >> > 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. >> > 2) I was tired. >> > There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. >> > sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: >> > > >> > > Done (period) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his >> > >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) >> > >> >> > >> Steve >> > >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if >> > seeking >> > >> consolation in numbers >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: mike coleman >> > >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm >> > >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> > >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List < >> > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: >> > >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > >> >> > >> I just had to share this >> > >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime >> > >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which >> I >> > >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe >> > something >> > >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the >> > >> machine" (whatever that is) >> > >> memory loss is good too >> > >> >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > >> From: mike coleman >> > >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM >> > >> Subject: dearest soon departed >> > >> >> > >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never >> > >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and >> > >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you >> > >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick >> > >> then >> > >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning >> > copy >> > >> of >> > >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow >> man >> > >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to >> my >> > >> door >> > >> >> > > >> >> From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 23 06:38:20 2009 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:38:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Saturday 29th August In-Reply-To: <1Mf7O5-0H3a640@fwd05.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: I'll be there on Saturday only, coming in by train, Will see you at the venue, anyone feel free to text or phone me on 07903 207480 Alan www.tangledwoof.com bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Hi folks > > I'll come over for the Saturday show with a couple of friends > > Any chance to meet some of you ? > > Let me know where and when > > > > Cheers > Bernhard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 > > From bill.barwick at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sun Aug 23 07:20:24 2009 From: bill.barwick at DSL.PIPEX.COM (Bill Barwick) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:20:24 -0400 Subject: Hw: 3 tickets available for Porchester Saturday 29th Message-ID: Mates and I are no longer able to make Saturday's event so I've got 3 tickets going at cost price ?25 each + ?4.95 special delivery via Royal Mail. PM me if interested. Best, Bill From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Aug 23 10:19:05 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:19:05 -0400 Subject: Subject:* Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content In-Reply-To: <001401ca23c4$ebfb7d50$c3f277f0$@com> Message-ID: those sound like fun movies. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Sybaelle Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:40 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Subject:* Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> Not to be confused with Psycho Killer (Q'est-ce que c'est?). Movie from >> 1975: A former mental patient uses astral projection to destroy the people >> he believes have wronged him. >> >> That sounds really familiar to me. I may have actually seen it. But not >> Invasion of the Saucermen. Or UFO Target Earth. >> >> *-------Original Message-------* >> >> *From:* Owen O'Neill >> *Date:* 08/22/09 10:43:32 >> *To:* BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> *Subject:* Re: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> >> What's "Psychic Killer"? >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, mike coleman > >wrote: >> >> > I am embarrased about this thread. >> > 1) I only used the subscription comment as a vehicle. >> > 2) I was tired. >> > There is apparently a Hawkwind comprehensive singles book in the works. >> > sorry another post to delete but I needed to make this comment. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/21/09, mike coleman wrote: >> > > >> > > Done (period) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 8/21/09, Steve wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Coal Man's re-subscription should require him to demonstrate that his >> > >> keyboard's period key can generate something other than ellipses. ;-) >> > >> >> > >> Steve >> > >> they are clustered a few million here, a few million there, as if >> > seeking >> > >> consolation in numbers >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: mike coleman >> > >> Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 1:00 pm >> > >> Subject: (OFF) absolutely OFF content >> > >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List < >> > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: >> > >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > >> >> > >> I just had to share this >> > >> it's almost noon for god sake...way past my bedtime >> > >> this was almost as bad as getting a BOC-L subscription reminder, which >> I >> > >> equate to something like an "unlucky rash", but then again maybe >> > something >> > >> is "chosing us" to be elevated on some level, a sort-of "ghost in the >> > >> machine" (whatever that is) >> > >> memory loss is good too >> > >> >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > >> From: mike coleman >> > >> Date: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM >> > >> Subject: dearest soon departed >> > >> >> > >> if you would prefer not to take an extremely dangerous risk of never >> > >> living to find out why you had to crawl across the floor ghasping and >> > >> groping for a fire extinguisher you'll surely wish you had if you >> > >> don't, only to learn that your sack of DVDs was a wick >> > >> then >> > >> get your flabby ass over here BY SUNDOWN with a properly fucntioning >> > copy >> > >> of >> > >> "psychic killer" and a note saying "I will never confuse any fellow >> man >> > >> with a refuse recepticle ever again" wriiten 100 times and tape it to >> my >> > >> door >> > >> >> > > >> >> From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Aug 23 10:29:08 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:29:08 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <4A8F13D9.600@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: thanks Mike. I usually don't like cop shows., I will check it out. I use the free aol.com site, a lot less commercials. They don't have everything, but they seem to have more than hulu. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jerry G Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:39 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? M Holmes wrote: > I was a big fan of Weeds. The other hasn't made it here yet. > > If you want to watch a great series though, try "The Shield" or > "Dexter". That's a level of writing that's been very rarely seen in > television. > Thanks Mike, I remember a discussion on the list a while back about 'The Shield', but haven't had a chance to try and track it down yet. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Aug 23 10:29:08 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:29:08 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <4A8F0689.23461.123FB1@imaginos.pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: Is Weeds a show that was only available over there? Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jason Gool Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? > Jerry G writes: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > > > > FoFP > > > I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > > 'Weeds'. Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about > > getting TV again. > > I was a big fan of Weeds. The other hasn't made it here yet. > > FoFP Yes it has. True Blood is currently being shown on FX. It's half way through the series now, but worth checking out if and when they repeat it. Jas. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Aug 23 10:29:09 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:29:09 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <3333713731.7853071@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arin, for culturally enriching my summer. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:36 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? Eureka feels like it's still waiting to happen. The first episode gave me amazingly great expectations of the show, which a couple seasons in I'm basically still waiting to be fulfilled.... :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins Date: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Mary, I can recommend Eureka as half decent sf. Good classic utopian mad science stuff. (Not, mind, necessarily *accurate* science, but definitely mad science :-) ) Arin On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, mary wrote: :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : :I've never used my new TV, when my brother drops by, he may, but anything I :want should be on youtube. If there is any half decent science fiction on :local TV I'd like to get names of shows? I do like to stay up to date with :that, but refuse to pay for cable. I have better things to spend my money :on. : :Peace, : :Mary :P.S. In Bab. 5 they adopted the sollute and the phrase "Be seeing you," :among the psi cops. I wish I could watch the original series of The :Prisoner the series with someone, so I could get the finer details :described. I understand it's quite a mind bender. : : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman :Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10 AM :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? : : :(Paul wrote) : :PS: If your gifted TV truly is new, chances are it already has a DTV :> receiver built in to it. Still, keep the coloured markers handy, just in :> case. :> :I was hoping that wasn't going to get pointed out : ).....it in fact does :have _some use_ but not much and of course it is a wonderful scenic upgrade :to the other tiny gifted one..I came up in the world just having it sit :there :I confess I broke down and turned it on yesterday to watch the incredibly :wriitten and acted UFO: TARGET earth, which lead me to be enjoying this :other fun one 'Psychic Killer" that I'm straight in the middle of and "Don't :Go Near The Park" has my curiosity peaked :But I can still make an etch-a-sketch yet :If the quanitiy of UFO related material that I am missing out on starts :piling up on my spirit I was thinking pawn shops.... : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #409, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 23 17:10:23 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:10:23 +0100 Subject: (off) Dave Brock on Doctor Who Message-ID: OK not really - but remember I posted last year seeing Alan Davey in Star Trek as a hippy? Well this could be Dave in Doctor Who episode Terminus. http://shillpages.com/dw/story/d5/st--6g44.jpg Actually it's Peter Benson who plays Bernie Scripps in Heartbeat! Think Dave has worn the better of the 2. Who will we spot next? Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree Listen to Samples of Charlie's album here http://www.musicline.de/player_flash/?pid=0604388334629&tid=0604388334629-0-0&type=product&musicloadurl=&site_variant=de Then join the new Charlie Yahoo discussion group available to join here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable/?yguid=215509111 to discuss the New Charlie CD Kitchens of Distinction OUT NOW(and anything else Charlie) Terry Thomas Podcast http://www.voiceprintwebradio.com/podcasts/terrythomas_interview01.xml From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Aug 24 05:15:52 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:15:52 -0400 Subject: HW : Hawkwind @ Beautiful days. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just back from Beautiful days festival, Hawkwind played on Friday night, well I say played, they actually levitated the whole field about 8 miles high and transported it to some other dimension. With trees on fires (from the laser lights) and what can only be described as a total emersion light show, the band kicked it from the off. I really can't remember all the tunes, I was that absorbed in the light show.? I remember a fantastic version of Its So Easy, which has been on heavy rotation on my internal juke box ever since ( with The levellers fiddle player guesting). Angels of Death, Fahrenheit 451,Warriors, Assassins, Silver machine,Sentinel, Right to decide (I think, i was rather absorbed), Magnu, Assault & Battery & Golden Void... I do hope someone recorded this show, there were a lot of Hawkwind tee-shirts, so there's a good chance. ( i forgot mine). ? Outdoors hawkwind... Oh yes ! see ya on Saturday IF ? ?? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Aug 24 11:25:13 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:25:13 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <733325.80144.qm@web24005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: me too, that's why I was wondering. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Samantha Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:51 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? .... Yeah.. okay there is ..? I never really watch the damn thing to be honest... play music virtually 24/7... : ) --- On Thu, 20/8/09, stevepxr5 at AOL.COM wrote: From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 9:40 PM There is... -----Original Message----- From: Samantha Fitzpatrick To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:36 Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? >There Is No Escape, from bad television: Indeed...! ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 24 13:40:33 2009 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:40:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August In-Reply-To: <8B71C16548B34F57892786AA11F8C21D@jillspc> Message-ID: Jill wrote... > Looks like there is going to be a > Hawkwalk on Saturday morning - not an official event but the > guy doing it seems very organised and he has written an > extensive set of historical notes to be found here: > http://www.starfarer.net/hawkwalk.pdf Thanks for posting that link. I've now got a colour copy in front of me, and it looks very cool, though I haven't spent the time to go through the actual text and story. Great 'then and now' photos at least. Anyway, more to the point, I have gathered that indeed some folks are going to meet at 11 AM on Saturday morning outside the Notting Hill Gate tube station (where the guided walk starts), and walk along the route to get to Porchester Hall. But I have yet to find the official announcement that Jill alludes to, and I fould referenced at the Yahoo list as being something that was up on the Starfarer Forum page. Well, I can't find the Forum page, so that is part of the problem. But I gather that the author and walking tour designer, Jim Skinner (aka JimSki) will be there to guide the tour himself. So count me in...hope to see some of you there. I don't know what boc-l folk were intending re: the usual preshow pub meet-up, but I figure it won't be such an issue this time, since the doors open at 14:00. I mean, I like having a beer as much as the next guy, but starting around Noon seems like I should be thinking about a 12 step programme instead of space rock history. But in case the walking tour ends up earlier than I would have thought, such that there is just way too much time to stand around and wait for doors to open (where I imagine wonderful ales will be available via these Hawkfest caterers...right?!), well maybe I'll head to the pub after all, even if just to have a place to sit. Somebody at Yahoo HW suggested this Cock and Bottle place just a little ways west of Porchester on Westbourne Grove. Is that where folks here are going to go? So...I haven't been writing much here lately, sorry to lurk, but I have been wandering aimlessly (der ziellose Weltbummler bin ich immer noch) though the wilds of Scania (Sk?ne/Schonen) for the last two months to the tune of 900 km with a 22-25 kg load (dh, mein Scheckenhaus), and internet access there is tough to come by. I lost a couple stone in the last months, so I look rather much thinner than normal, but I shaved off the greybeard so I should still be recognisable to most. I am staying in London for a few more days after the Saturday gig, as I wanted to take the opportunity to catch Nektar again. They are playing at the Borderline on the 2nd, for only 12 quid. And I will go check out the Oliver-Dawson version of Saxon that is playing at Camden Town Bridgefest on Sunday night, just because. Rodrigo y Gabriela are playing in London same night as Nektar, but it is sold out anyway, so I didn't have to make that hard choice. And as it turns out, dumb luck has befallen me, because during the otherwise tedious layover between my flight to the US (JFK New York) on the 16th of Sept. and my overnight bus ride to central Pennsylvania, I will have the opportunity to walk a mere 12 blocks north of the Port Authority in Manhattan to see Rodrigo y Gabriela on stage there at Terminal 5. Awesome. For those that are unfamiliar with this amazing acoustic guitar duo from Mexico City (transplanted to Dublin these days), you just have to hear to believe. Check em out on rodgab.com or their MySpace page. They were formerly in a heavy metal band, so that influence is underlying their otherwise 'all-acoustic' music. (They often cover Metallica songs in concert and even on album...also Stairway to Heaven, but not in any traditional way.) But really, just the fact that their playing is so intense and innovative is enough to knock your socks off. So hope to see lots of you at Porchester Hall. (JonJ...are you going to be there Sat?) Grakkl ObCD: dredg - Catch Without Arms (melodic, and even poppy at times, but still powerful energetic progressive music...new one is not bad either) P.S. To whoever went to Beautiful Days...are they still doing Mirror of Illusion and/or Infinity? Would love to hear both on Sat. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 24 16:28:23 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:28:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond availability (was: Online backups) In-Reply-To: <4A89C967.7090404@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Jerry G wrote: > A Gathering of Fronds was Reckless. I think the other 2 I have are > Superseeder > and Son of Walter (I really have to track them down now). I found a few on > cduniverse > for $10-$11. I'd like to grab the collaboration he did with Twink (Magic Eye) > too. I don't have _A Gathering of Fronds_ but the other three are great. I have them all on vinyl so what tends to happen is that the second side of _Son of Walter_ and the first of _Superseeder_ get played over and over until I can finally make myself move on. And `House of Mountains' is sublime. Or ridiculous. Quite possibly both in fact. Yours, Jon ObCD: Kingdom Come - _Galactic Zoo Dossier_ (also sublime and ridiculous) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Tue Aug 25 00:40:08 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:40:08 -0400 Subject: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908201520i3b8c3d5bmc965a28fb8260307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: SciFi picked up Mystery Science Theater 3000 after it was canceled by Comedy Central. Then they canceled it too. -My only favorite TV show. Fuck them. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > HBO seems to be almost the last refuge of good American television > (there is such a thing, honest), disregarding such obvious flukes as > the Sci Fi channel somehow contriving to put the new Battlestar > Galactica on the air. They must have woke up on the right side of the > bed for once, or maybe it was their audience receiving a massive > karmic refund for decades of stuff like Warbirds: > > http://www.moviepro.net/download/preview/warbirds-video-preview--203321.html > > I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song > of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... > > Steve > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Jerry G wrote: > > M Holmes wrote: > >> > >> They've taken the single best ever television series. They've > >> surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. They've crossed it with > >> James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > >> > >> There Is No Escape, from bad television: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > >> > >> FoFP > >> > > > > I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > 'Weeds'. > > Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV > again. > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 25 05:29:03 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:29:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Adrian Shaw & Rod Goodway In-Reply-To: <194627.34199.qm@web26901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Just received from Ade,?a copy of Adrian Shaw & Rod Goodway's new album, > 'Oxygen Thieves', released on Germany's September Gurls Records, which > will be of interest to list members I think! That is of interest, indeed, but most immediately because it means Rod Goodway's still alive! I don't suppose you know whether this means he finally got his liver transplant, do you? But I shall have to check out the CD either way. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Cambridge jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ======================================================================= "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Aug 25 09:31:12 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:31:12 -0700 Subject: MST3K In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episode http://www.mst3kinfo.com/ Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episodes and there are two different troupes from the gang: Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. My wife thinks I'm a loser because I chatted on Facebook with Kevin Murphy, Tom Servo's voice. ________________________________ From: Owen O'Neill To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:40:08 PM Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? SciFi picked up Mystery Science Theater 3000 after it was canceled by Comedy Central. Then they canceled it too. -My only favorite TV show. Fuck them. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > HBO seems to be almost the last refuge of good American television > (there is such a thing, honest), disregarding such obvious flukes as > the Sci Fi channel somehow contriving to put the new Battlestar > Galactica on the air.? They must have woke up on the right side of the > bed for once, or maybe it was their audience receiving a massive > karmic refund for decades of stuff like Warbirds: > > http://www.moviepro.net/download/preview/warbirds-video-preview--203321.html > > I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song > of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... > > Steve > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Jerry G wrote: > > M Holmes wrote: > >> > >> They've taken the single best ever television series.? They've > >> surgically removed the humour and quirkiness.? They've crossed it with > >> James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > >> > >> There Is No Escape, from bad television: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > >> > >> FoFP > >> > > > >? I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > 'Weeds'. > > Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV > again. > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 25 13:48:04 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:48:04 -0500 Subject: HW : Hawkwind @ Beautiful days. In-Reply-To: <8CBF2B29CE32644-11AC-17CC2@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 24 Aug 2009, at 04:15, iainferguson at AOL.COM wrote: > I remember a fantastic version of Its So Easy, which has been on > heavy rotation on my internal juke box ever since ( with The > levellers fiddle player guesting). An actual recording of that would be well-worth hearing! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 25 13:48:43 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:48:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond availability (was: Online backups) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24 Aug 2009, at 15:28, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > And `House of Mountains' is sublime. Or ridiculous. Quite possibly > both in fact. "Both" has my vote. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Tue Aug 25 20:30:20 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:30:20 -0400 Subject: MST3K In-Reply-To: <443618.23726.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -The day MST3K the Movie opened, Mike Nelson actually came to the theater with Tom Servo and Crow, and I heard they were in the subway station for a while afterwards-- but he was only there for the first showing and I went to the second. That was pretty cool of him anyway, and when I got there they still had the free posters that he was giving out. Rifftrax is great. great how with this they can now go at it with any new high budget crap movie they want to. I have to look this up I don't know yet what Cinematic Titanic is... There was and probably still is a torrent of *every single episode *including the early ones from KTMA . I know someone who spent most of last summer downloading it but never in the mood to burn any of them for me or somehow thinking he's lording this over me. I'm actually kind of shocked and unliking of how you can just like that have every single episode since 1990 or whenever on your HD like it's just someother file. Back in the day the first time it got canceled there was a secret underground tape trading network, it meant something, that showed it really really meant something . On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, gary shindler wrote: > Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episode > http://www.mst3kinfo.com/ > > Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episodes and there are two different > troupes from the gang: Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. My wife thinks I'm a > loser because I chatted on Facebook with Kevin Murphy, Tom Servo's voice. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Owen O'Neill > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:40:08 PM > Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? > > SciFi picked up Mystery Science Theater 3000 after it was canceled by > Comedy > Central. Then they canceled it too. -My only favorite TV show. Fuck them. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > > > HBO seems to be almost the last refuge of good American television > > (there is such a thing, honest), disregarding such obvious flukes as > > the Sci Fi channel somehow contriving to put the new Battlestar > > Galactica on the air. They must have woke up on the right side of the > > bed for once, or maybe it was their audience receiving a massive > > karmic refund for decades of stuff like Warbirds: > > > > > http://www.moviepro.net/download/preview/warbirds-video-preview--203321.html > > > > I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song > > of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... > > > > Steve > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Jerry G wrote: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > >> > > >> They've taken the single best ever television series. They've > > >> surgically removed the humour and quirkiness. They've crossed it with > > >> James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > > >> > > >> There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > >> > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > > >> > > >> FoFP > > >> > > > > > > I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > > 'Weeds'. > > > Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV > > again. > > > > > > > > > -- > .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > > > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 26 00:35:53 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:35:53 -0700 Subject: Heaven & Hell Message-ID: Just got back from seeing them in New York. They still put on an awesome show, in case anyone was wondering whether it would be worth catching them the next time they swing by. :) Steve From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 26 09:50:44 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:50:44 -0700 Subject: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <3334091753.11608377@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: They never come to the midwest. Priest does, but no... Enjoyed the live DVD and curious to hear their new album. ________________________________ From: Steve To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:35:53 PM Subject: Heaven & Hell Just got back from seeing them in New York.? They still put on an awesome show, in case anyone was wondering whether it would be worth catching them the next time they swing by.? :) Steve From e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 26 10:07:49 2009 From: e_clout at HOTMAIL.COM (Edmund Clout) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:07:49 +0100 Subject: Saturday Porchester ticket Message-ID: Hi, I've still got a spare ticket for Saturday at Porchester Hall. Afraid my shifts mean I can't post it so I'll happily exchange it for the face value ?25 on the day. I'll be in the Ladbroke Grove area in the morning and at the venue between 2 and 3pm. If you're interested then email me at e_clout (at) hotmail.com. Mundo _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years?enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 26 11:13:47 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:13:47 -0700 Subject: MST3K In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cinematic Titanic is Joel, Josh, Trace, Frank and Mary Jo (Pearl Forrester) riffing on movies live and on DVD. http://www.cinematictitanic.com/ I chatted with Trace last night on facebook (nice guy). I'd like to do RiffTrax but our computer sucks and I don't know if it would work. I first saw MST3K when the ABC affiliate in OKC showed the hour version with Mike portraying Jack Perkins. Was pissed when a tornado watch interrupted the show and I had to hide in a closet. Gary ________________________________ From: Owen O'Neill To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:30:20 PM Subject: Re: MST3K -The day MST3K the Movie opened, Mike Nelson actually came to the theater with Tom Servo and Crow, and I heard they were in the subway station for a while afterwards-- but he was only there for the first showing and I went to the second. That was pretty cool of him anyway, and when I got there they still had the free posters that he was giving out. Rifftrax is great. great how with this they can now go at it with any new high budget crap movie they want to. I have to look this up I don't know yet what Cinematic Titanic is... There was and probably? still is a torrent of *every single episode *including the early ones from KTMA . I know someone who spent most of last summer downloading it but never in the mood to burn any of them for me or somehow thinking he's lording this over me. I'm actually kind of shocked and unliking of how you can just like that have every single episode since 1990 or whenever on your HD like it's just someother file. Back in the day the first time it got canceled there was a secret underground tape trading network, it meant something, that showed it really really meant something . On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, gary shindler wrote: > Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episode > http://www.mst3kinfo.com/ > > Lots of DVDs have been issued of the episodes and there are two different > troupes from the gang: Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. My wife thinks I'm a > loser because I chatted on Facebook with Kevin Murphy, Tom Servo's voice. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Owen O'Neill > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:40:08 PM > Subject: Re: Be Seeing You? > > SciFi picked up Mystery Science Theater 3000 after it was canceled by > Comedy > Central. Then they canceled it too. -My only favorite TV show. Fuck them. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > > > HBO seems to be almost the last refuge of good American television > > (there is such a thing, honest), disregarding such obvious flukes as > > the Sci Fi channel somehow contriving to put the new Battlestar > > Galactica on the air.? They must have woke up on the right side of the > > bed for once, or maybe it was their audience receiving a massive > > karmic refund for decades of stuff like Warbirds: > > > > > http://www.moviepro.net/download/preview/warbirds-video-preview--203321.html > > > > I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song > > of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... > > > > Steve > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Jerry G wrote: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > >> > > >> They've taken the single best ever television series.? They've > > >> surgically removed the humour and quirkiness.? They've crossed it with > > >> James Bond, Lost and Twin Peaks, and they've explicated it to death. > > >> > > >> There Is No Escape, from bad television: > > >> > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ > > >> > > >> FoFP > > >> > > > > > >? I just got done renting the HBO series 'True Blood' and ShowTimes > > 'Weeds'. > > > Maybe it's just me, but they almost have me thinking about getting TV > > again. > > > > > > > > > -- > .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > > > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 26 12:09:35 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:09:35 -0400 Subject: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <633179.63207.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They removed some of the H&H/Mob Rules material to make room for doing tunes from the new album. Have to say, the newer material sounds a little drab to me, it's a bit meandering and doesn't have the driving, monster riffage that the classic Dio Sabbath (not even to mention Ozzy Sabbath) material had. But happily for me they chose to keep keep Falling Off The Edge of the World, which is my personal favorite. (Although they did drop Sign of the Southern Cross - fortunately for me that was *after* I'd seen them perform it twice previously). And of course, they've turned their eponymous song into a 15 minute epic with crowd participation, special f/x and the whole shebang. It was slightly cheezy and perhaps even a bit pandering, but it's all done in such a good spirit of fun that I couldn't help but love it. ;-) If you're on old Dio Sabbath fan, I would recommend even traveling to see the show if you have to. When I was waffling about whether I wanted to go see it on a tuesday night, it occurred to me that even though they seem to be getting along FAR FAR better than other incarnations of Black Sabbath have (or even previous Dio-Sabbath incarnations, for that matter) ;-) they're probably not going keep doing this forever... Steve On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:50 AM, gary shindler wrote: > They never come to the midwest. Priest does, but no... Enjoyed the live DVD and curious to hear their new album. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:35:53 PM > Subject: Heaven & Hell > > Just got back from seeing them in New York.? They still put on an awesome show, in case anyone was wondering whether it would be worth catching them the next time they swing by.? :) > > Steve > > > > > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 26 12:22:52 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:22:52 -0700 Subject: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908260909u2d437c2asc7a86bf6a2e16d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No "Sign of the Southern Cross?" Blasphemy. I thought the Heaven and Hell vamping was old when Dio did it on "Live Evil." ?Yeah I think Iommi just had surgery on one of his hands and he's in litigation hell with Sharon Osbourne. I like the way Dio mixes up Sabbath, Rainbow and his stuff (I've only heard their live album with Tracy G). Gary ________________________________ From: Steve Swann To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: Heaven & Hell They removed some of the H&H/Mob Rules material to make room for doing tunes from the new album.? Have to say, the newer material sounds a little drab to me, it's a bit meandering and doesn't have the driving, monster riffage that the classic Dio Sabbath (not even to mention Ozzy Sabbath) material had.? But happily for me they chose to keep keep Falling Off The Edge of the World, which is my personal favorite. (Although they did drop Sign of the Southern Cross - fortunately for me that was *after* I'd seen them perform it twice previously).? And of course, they've turned their eponymous song into a 15 minute epic with crowd participation, special f/x and the whole shebang.? It was slightly cheezy and perhaps even a bit pandering, but it's all done in such a good spirit of fun that I couldn't help but love it.? ;-) If you're on old Dio Sabbath fan, I would recommend even traveling to see the show if you have to.? When I was waffling about whether I wanted to go see it on a tuesday night, it occurred to me that even though they seem to be getting along FAR FAR better than other incarnations of Black Sabbath have (or even previous Dio-Sabbath incarnations, for that matter) ;-) they're probably not going keep doing this forever... Steve On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:50 AM, gary shindler wrote: > They never come to the midwest. Priest does, but no... Enjoyed the live DVD and curious to hear their new album. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:35:53 PM > Subject: Heaven & Hell > > Just got back from seeing them in New York.? They still put on an awesome show, in case anyone was wondering whether it would be worth catching them the next time they swing by.? :) > > Steve > > > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 26 13:21:27 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:21:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908260909u2d437c2asc7a86bf6a2e16d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Steve Swann wrote: > They removed some of the H&H/Mob Rules material to make room for doing > tunes from the new album. Have to say, the newer material sounds a > little drab to me, it's a bit meandering and doesn't have the driving, > monster riffage that the classic Dio Sabbath (not even to mention Ozzy > Sabbath) material had. But happily for me they chose to keep keep > Falling Off The Edge of the World, which is my personal favorite. > (Although they did drop Sign of the Southern Cross - fortunately for > me that was *after* I'd seen them perform it twice previously). Saw 'em in Bogota, Colombia on this year's tour (along with former BOC-L member Andy Gilham, who was here at the time), and they were excellent -- even though I was sorry to not have "Sign of the Southern Cross" (which I _haven't_ seen live before, though the version on the DVD is cool). I am forced to agree that the new H&H album does not reach the heights of the two early '80s albums (but are we surprised?), though for my part I think it compares well enough with Dehumanizer. The songs tend towards a heavy doom grind, which is all very well, but there's little that's snappy to break up that pace a bit. Still, there are some of the new tracks that stick in my rotation, particularly the "single" "Bible Black" and, perhaps even more so, "Follow the Tears" (mighty doom riff!). It's a solid album, and worth definitely worth hearing -- though I have the sneaking suspicion that some of the better riffs that Iommi had been saving up over the years had already been deployed on his _Fused_ album (with Glenn Hughes), which is considerably more varied in execution. In an alternate universe, it would have been cool to see what the H&H lineup could have done with riffs like those Iommi kicks out on "Dopamine", "What You're Living For", "The Spell", or the sprawling "I Go Insane". Needless to say, I think that anyone who likes Iommi's particular style of kicking out the jams could do worse than get a copy of _Fused_. I'm not really a fan of Glenn Hughes, but the album is basically good enough that Glenn's singing doesn't bother me. :) Drums are pounded by session veteran Kenny Aronoff who, suffice it to say, knows how to do the job quite well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 26 14:02:15 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:02:15 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <67DB2F93-5A1D-41CF-84DB-1C5A23559C40@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I have the "Iommi With Glenn Hughes: The 1996 DEP Sessions" and like it. Have to check out "Fused" when I can. ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21:27 PM Subject: OFF: Re: Heaven & Hell On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Steve Swann wrote: > They removed some of the H&H/Mob Rules material to make room for doing > tunes from the new album.? Have to say, the newer material sounds a > little drab to me, it's a bit meandering and doesn't have the driving, > monster riffage that the classic Dio Sabbath (not even to mention Ozzy > Sabbath) material had.? But happily for me they chose to keep keep > Falling Off The Edge of the World, which is my personal favorite. > (Although they did drop Sign of the Southern Cross - fortunately for > me that was *after* I'd seen them perform it twice previously). Saw 'em in Bogota, Colombia on this year's tour (along with former BOC-L member Andy Gilham, who was here at the time), and they were excellent -- even though I was sorry to not have "Sign of the Southern Cross" (which I _haven't_ seen live before, though the version on the DVD is cool).? I am forced to agree that the new H&H album does not reach the heights of the two early '80s albums (but are we surprised?), though for my part I think it compares well enough with Dehumanizer.? The songs tend towards a heavy doom grind, which is all very well, but there's little that's snappy to break up that pace a bit.? Still, there are some of the new tracks that stick in my rotation, particularly the "single" "Bible Black" and, perhaps even more so, "Follow the Tears" (mighty doom riff!).? It's a solid album, and worth definitely worth hearing -- though I have the sneaking suspicion that some of the better riffs that Iommi had been saving up over the years had already been deployed on his _Fused_ album (with Glenn Hughes), which is considerably more varied in execution.? In an alternate universe, it would have been cool to see what the H&H lineup could have done with riffs like those Iommi kicks out on "Dopamine", "What You're Living For", "The Spell", or the sprawling "I Go Insane". Needless to say, I think that anyone who likes Iommi's particular style of kicking out the jams could do worse than get a copy of _Fused_. I'm not really a fan of Glenn Hughes, but the album is basically good enough that Glenn's singing doesn't bother me. :)? Drums are pounded by session veteran Kenny Aronoff who, suffice it to say, knows how to do the job quite well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 26 15:27:07 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Heaven & Hell In-Reply-To: <564533.83421.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 26 Aug 2009, at 13:02, gary shindler wrote: > I have the "Iommi With Glenn Hughes: The 1996 DEP Sessions" and > like it. Have to check out "Fused" when I can. I would recommend it. IMO, _Fused_ is better that the Dep Sessions. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 26 22:42:48 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:42:48 -0400 Subject: Who's at London? In-Reply-To: <200908191006.n7JA64hs014620@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll apparently have a phone with this number... I make no promises, as I haven't tried this before: 07771 287898 I'm in London Thursday. Anyone around? Steve On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:06 AM, M Holmes wrote: > I was thinking mebbe we should collect mobile phone numbers so we can > organise meets over the weekend... > > Mine is: 0778 070 1391 > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 27 14:02:38 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:02:38 +0100 Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August] Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Aug 27 14:20:49 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:20:49 +0200 Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August] In-Reply-To: <200908271802.n7RI2cp6004721@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Great idea Mike Me and my friends will try to be as long awake as possible because this evening is a SPECIAL one and we do not have (need) a hotel. We will gothen to the airport and fly back to Germany Returning home we will get the sleep we need See you all there !!!!!!!!!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August] > I don't know what boc-l folk were intending re: the usual preshow pub > meet-up, but I figure it won't be such an issue this time, since the > doors open at 14:00. I mean, I like having a beer as much as the next > guy, but starting around Noon seems like I sh> ould be thinking about > a 12 step programme instead of space rock history. But in case the > walking tour ends up earlier than I would have thought, such that > there is just way too much time to stand around and wait for doors to > open (where I imagine wonder> ful ales will be available via these > Hawkfest caterers...right?!), well maybe I'll head to the pub after > all, even if just to have a place to sit. Somebody at Yahoo HW > suggested this Cock and Bottle place just a little ways west of > Porchester on Westbour> ne Grove. Is that where folks here are going > to go? Let's run with that. Also after the gig, let's meet up outside the gig (unless there's a fan part inside of course) and head for the Cock & Bottle at least initially. As the Carnival is on, there'll be places to drink late and the C & B will hopefully be one of them. If it's full, we'll meet outside and figure something else out. Each try and get people's mobile numbers at the gig so that we can organise as we need to. A phone tree can work pretty well... Be Seeing You! FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From stevepxr5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 27 14:18:38 2009 From: stevepxr5 at AOL.COM (stevepxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August In-Reply-To: <200908271802.n7RI2cp6004721@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I was about to suggest the very same thing about an after gig meet at the C&B. The venue has to be cleared by 11:30 each night, so meeting outside should be very easy. I'll?check the Good Beer Guide to see what other decent pubs there are in the area and dot them on the map. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:02 Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August] Let's run with that.? Also after the gig, let's meet up outside the gig (unless there's a fan part inside of course) and head for the Cock & Bottle at least initially.? As the Carnival is on, there'll be places to drink late and the C & B will hopefully be one of them.? If it's full, we'll meet outside and figure something else out.? Each try and get people's mobile numbers at the gig so that we can organise as we need to. A phone tree can work pretty well... Be Seeing You! FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 27 18:40:46 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Who's at London? In-Reply-To: <5EEA4A52-26CA-4ABF-A3A9-A158F3132058@imrryr.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Planning to, yes! I even read the Hawkwalk guide during the flight over... Steve On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Paul Eaton-Jones wrote: > > > I'm there for Sat. My cell no. is 07743342768. You doing the Hawkwalk? > > Paul. > On 27 Aug 2009, at 03:42, Steve Swann wrote: > > > > I'll apparently have a phone with this number... I make no promises, > as I haven't tried this before: > 07771 287898 > > I'm in London Thursday. Anyone around? > > Steve > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:06 AM, M Holmes wrote: >> I was thinking mebbe we should collect mobile phone numbers so we can >> organise meets over the weekend... >> >> Mine is: 0778 070 1391 >> >> FoFP >> >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- > created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > > ?3 > New Members > ?1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > __,_._,___ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Aug 27 19:07:44 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:07:44 -0400 Subject: [Keith Henderson: Re: HW: Hawkwalk on Saturday 29th August] In-Reply-To: <200908271802.n7RI2cp6004721@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: So are people meeting up before the gig on *Friday*? If so, when/where? I will be at the Hawkwalk before Saturday's gig. Btw, due to a failure of logistics I am currently phoneless. I may correct that tomorrow morning if possible... Steve On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, M Holmes wrote: >> I don't know what boc-l folk were intending re: the usual preshow pub >> meet-up, but I figure it won't be such an issue this time, since the >> doors open at 14:00. ?I mean, I like having a beer as much as the next >> guy, but starting around Noon seems like I sh> ould be thinking about >> a 12 step programme instead of space rock history. ?But in case the >> walking tour ends up earlier than I would have thought, such that >> there is just way too much time to stand around and wait for doors to >> open (where I imagine wonder> ful ales will be available via these >> Hawkfest caterers...right?!), well maybe I'll head to the pub after >> all, even if just to have a place to sit. ?Somebody at Yahoo HW >> suggested this Cock and Bottle place just a little ways west of >> Porchester on Westbour> ne Grove. ?Is that where folks here are going >> to go? > > Let's run with that. ?Also after the gig, let's meet up outside the gig > (unless there's a fan part inside of course) and head for the Cock & > Bottle at least initially. ?As the Carnival is on, there'll be places to > drink late and the C & B will hopefully be one of them. ?If it's full, > we'll meet outside and figure something else out. ?Each try and get > people's mobile numbers at the gig so that we can organise as we need > to. A phone tree can work pretty well... > > Be Seeing You! > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Aug 28 01:42:07 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:42:07 -0400 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Who's at London? In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908271540g8f6ec2ai4038ecdbc276ab1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh and I mentioned it in a separate email, but I don't have the cell phone I mentioned earlier. May hit the Vodaphone store this morning and fix that... Steve On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Steve Swann wrote: > Planning to, yes! ?I even read the Hawkwalk guide during the flight over... > > Steve > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Paul > Eaton-Jones wrote: >> >> >> I'm there for Sat. My cell no. is 07743342768. You doing the Hawkwalk? >> >> Paul. >> On 27 Aug 2009, at 03:42, Steve Swann wrote: >> >> >> >> I'll apparently have a phone with this number... I make no promises, >> as I haven't tried this before: >> 07771 287898 >> >> I'm in London Thursday. Anyone around? >> >> Steve >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:06 AM, M Holmes wrote: >>> I was thinking mebbe we should collect mobile phone numbers so we can >>> organise meets over the weekend... >>> >>> Mine is: 0778 070 1391 >>> >>> FoFP >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >>> >> >> __._,_.___ >> Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls >> Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- >> created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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You doing the Hawkwalk? > > Paul. > On 27 Aug 2009, at 03:42, Steve Swann wrote: > > > > I'll apparently have a phone with this number... I make no promises, > as I haven't tried this before: > 07771 287898 > > I'm in London Thursday. Anyone around? > > Steve > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:06 AM, M Holmes wrote: >> I was thinking mebbe we should collect mobile phone numbers so we can >> organise meets over the weekend... >> >> Mine is: 0778 070 1391 >> >> FoFP >> >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- > created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Atomhenge seem unwilling (unable?) to answer Has there been any official mention why the releases are incomplete? They obviously have the master tapes, so I'm just curious VH -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Aug 29 09:42:20 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:42:20 +0000 Subject: Happy 40th anniversary HAWKWIND 8/29/1969-present Message-ID: Greetings friends, I can't tell you all how much I wish I could be in Notting Hill today to see Hawkwind perform their 40th anniversay gig. No other band or performer has given me so much pleasure, food for thought and well, downright psychedelic bliss. I feel blessed to have appeared on their 'Hawkfest 2002' CD, as well as the great tribute disc 'Daze of the Underground'. Once when I was about 17, I wandered off atop a lone hillside on our family farm, dropped acid and listened to Hawkwind live at Stonehenge. As the trees became dark purple giants treading through the darkness, Hawkwind provided the soundtrack and I knew then there was no other band quite like them. I have more fond memories associated with Hawkwind than I do with many people. Dave Brock says the band and the audience are "like a tribe", and if that's so I am grateful to be a member..All the best of luck tonight lads, and thanks for 'the first 40 years'..Peace, Mike Burro PS: here is a nice article which appeared in England's 'Gaurdian' newspaper yesterday which encapulates the band's career and leads up to tonights show; mind you, the bloke in the picture is not the Captain, but rather Tim Blake who pilots his own ship when notserving with Hawkwind; 'The Crystal Machine'. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/27/hawkwind-dave-brock _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Aug 30 06:14:23 2009 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:14:23 +0200 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig Message-ID: Hello All, It was great to meet up with some of the folks from the list, Bernhard, Arin, chris, keith, andreas, etc... What a day it was. Some grreat stuff and some crap stuff. Oh yeah, they gave everyone a nice clotho bag with a special CD only for this event with Jason on it and some of the material is exclusive to this CD. Also a nice card with full authographs. A raffle ticket that as remake of a fake ticket stub from the first gig. I did nto win anything in the raffle but tey gave away some Motorhead crew shirts, LSD25 compilation cds and original huw lloyd lanngton artwork. I really hope that this is the last time that Hawkwind will parade poor old Huw Lloyd Langton out to embarsse him. The poor guy is just a sad pathetic shell of what he used to be. Day started off with Hawkwind with a different name, elves of silsbury hill? And that was pretty cool with dave plaing harmonica and mirror of illusion, green finned demon and some Tim blake tracks, etc.. They played like 45 minjs. Sounds was pretty crap in this hall though and the sound man was only ok. He did not really watch the members so some you never heard if he did not get them into the mix to start with. Next up was TOSH with spacehead guys belting out born to go and the sound was dreadful. Then huw joined them for masters of the universe and ejection and he was noodling away his own world and you could not heard him hardly at all until the end of the gig. Short and not good set. Tartantism were excellent and real surprise. A bit like a folky Culture Shock. The Hawkwind question and answer time was great fun. Richard was inssane with the talking badger. And a bit disruptive as well. Anyway, the Roadburn DVD will be out in time for the winter tour they said. A new LP will come out next year. They are considering working with a company to provide instant live CDs of their shows. We will see. Bob Keer and his Woople bnd was just fucking weird and bizzare fun. Bob was dave's neighbor in ladbrocke groove in the 60s and was the one who provided a rehearsal place for an early version of Hawkwind. He would play trumpet during Lighthouse at the real Hawkwind gig. 20;15 Huw starts thing soff with Tim blake and plays and old blues song with Dave on harmonica. Then a strange rocky path. Huw basically can't sing at all anymore and then he gets confused and lost if he does and the song goes all wobbly until he finds himself. He is just way way past his time and it is pretty pathetic they parade him out like this. I know all the old people still love him and I used to but he is just sad now. Dave was suppose to come back out and do Hurry on Sundown with Huw but I guess he was just to embarssed as Huw was just out of it. Tim blake stayed on and played harmonica. Huw wanted to leave but was forced to play a few more. Sad.... The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last encore), I have trouble with this keyboard so sorry for all the mistakes.. Great 1hr 45 min HW set. Good lights but not as good as Chaos Illumination used to do. Dancers were very cool. Hawkwind can still deliver a blinding spaced out set..... Great... It is just sad that no one from the 70s except Tim Blake is involved with the band anymore. Let's hope one day they can all come together in the spirit of the music and put all the bullshit baggae aside and just have a good time and play some psychedelic music in the spirit of 1970..... I had a great time. scott ______________ Scott Heller This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Sun Aug 30 06:55:40 2009 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:55:40 EDT Subject: 40th anniversary Gig Message-ID: Yep, quite a good synopsis that.......Hawkwind have obviously decided to run a yts scheme for soundmen - but why did we have to get the guy on his first day yesterday ? Guitars lost at the top end of the mix (Niall just not there) - thought a soundcheck with someone standing at the back of the hall might have been an idea................... Good set but I'm afraid the rest of the day just didn't live up to the hype....hey-ho. Lets hope they keep Richard out of the medicine cabinet before the next gig. From converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM Sun Aug 30 08:59:36 2009 From: converging_spirals at YAHOO.COM (Samantha Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:59:36 +0000 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D39641D2@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: ...I remember someone who knew Huw telling me that he had hearing problems... Sam --- On Sun, 30/8/09, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: From: SHLL (Scott Heller) Subject: 40th anniversary Gig To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: Sunday, 30 August, 2009, 10:14 AM Hello All, It was great to meet up with some of the folks from the list, Bernhard, Arin, chris, keith, andreas, etc... What a day it was. Some grreat stuff and some crap stuff. Oh yeah, they gave everyone a nice clotho bag with a special CD only for this event with Jason on it and some of the material is exclusive to this CD. Also a nice card with full authographs. A raffle ticket that as remake of a fake ticket stub from the first gig. I did nto win anything in the raffle but tey gave away some Motorhead crew shirts, LSD25 compilation cds and original huw lloyd lanngton artwork. I really hope that this is the last time that Hawkwind will parade poor old Huw Lloyd Langton out to embarsse him. The poor guy is just a sad pathetic shell of what he used to be. Day started off with Hawkwind with a different name, elves of silsbury hill? And that was pretty cool with dave plaing harmonica and mirror of illusion, green finned demon and some Tim blake tracks, etc.. They played like 45 minjs. Sounds was pretty crap in this hall though and the sound man was only ok. He did not really watch the members so some you never heard if he did not get them into the mix to start with. Next up was TOSH with spacehead guys belting out born to go and the sound was dreadful. Then huw joined them for masters of the universe and ejection and he was noodling away his own world and you could not heard him hardly at all until the end of the gig. Short and not good set. Tartantism were excellent and real surprise. A bit like a folky Culture Shock. The Hawkwind question and answer time was great fun. Richard was inssane with the talking badger. And a bit disruptive as well.? Anyway, the Roadburn DVD will be out in time for the winter tour they said. A new LP will come out next year. They are considering working with a company to provide instant live CDs of their shows. We will see. Bob Keer and his Woople bnd was just fucking weird and bizzare fun. Bob was dave's neighbor in ladbrocke groove in the 60s and was the one who provided a rehearsal place for an early version of Hawkwind. He would play trumpet during Lighthouse at the real Hawkwind gig. 20;15 Huw starts thing soff with Tim blake and plays and old blues song with Dave on harmonica. Then a strange rocky path. Huw basically can't sing at all anymore and then he gets confused and lost if he does and the song goes all wobbly until he finds himself. He is just way way past his time and it is pretty pathetic they parade him out like this. I know all the old people still love him and I used to but he is just sad now. Dave was suppose to come back out and do Hurry on Sundown with Huw but I guess he was just to embarssed as Huw was just out of it. Tim blake stayed on and played harmonica. Huw wanted to leave but was forced to play a few more. Sad.... The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last encore), I have trouble with this keyboard so sorry for all the mistakes.. Great 1hr 45 min HW set. Good lights but not as good as Chaos Illumination used to do. Dancers were very cool. Hawkwind can still deliver a blinding spaced out set..... Great... It is just sad that no one from the 70s except Tim Blake is involved with the band anymore. Let's hope one day they can all come together in the spirit of the music and put all the bullshit baggae aside and just have a good time and play some psychedelic music in the spirit of 1970..... I had a great time. scott ______________ Scott Heller This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 30 10:12:30 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:12:30 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] Porchester Saturday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was there for near 100% of both days, and I had a great time. The hall was a bit echo-ish (too square and too many hard surfaces, which muddied the sound a bit, but the performance was blazing. Let me introduce the Hawk Yahoo list to the term BLANGA, which is a BOC-L tradition, for describing the sound of the Hawks ripping the fucking roof off the place with a blazing, guitar-driven rock and roll show. The shows - both days - had BLANGA and then some. I loved it, it was worth the trip from the States and every penny. Plane boarding now, more on this later. Steve On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > > > Who cares... > > it was a bloody great day... > Bob Keer was brilliant, laughed my ass off. > Tarrantism was a first for me, and thought they were great . > The Wind themselves played a wind set and that was awesome, and just what > was needed, not some cocked up multi guest bollocks... > music from toby marks all day was good, light s fantastic, and a nice array > in t-shirts, and a lovely bag with goodies.. > It was a little party, not a bloody great big brixton fuck up type of > thing.. > Smiled all day, and came home feeling brilliant - top gig from the chaps... > Herbert da sherbert > On 30 Aug 2009, at 13:17, drfegg at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/30/2009 12:54:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, > paultashby at btinternet.com writes: > > Very quickly, RC, Dibs and TB guested with HLL at different times, with > DB?playing harmonica?on HLL's opening song. No ex Hawks in attendance, > unless you count Rizz who guested on Spirit & Hassan.?Toby Marks, Bob Kerr > and Matthew Wright added guest appearances during the HW?set. VG atmos > overall, but could have delivered so much more. > > > > I still think it is a shame that none of the 50 odd ex-members turned up. > Despite what some people think Hawkwind is bigger than Mr Brock. He is a > very, very important cog in a larger machine, IMO. > No Harvey, Alan, Del, Dik Mik, Terry Ollis, Martin Griffin, Ade Shaw, Simon > House, Steve Swindells or dare I say it Nik? Even tracking down the elusive > John Harrison would have been nice! > Sad. I think it would have been?good if a semi-original line up of Group X > played... Sorry I am living in a dreamworld.... > Does anyone know if they were asked? > > = > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (8) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- > created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > > ?5 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > __,_._,___ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Aug 30 13:45:20 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:45:20 +0200 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D39641D2@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the great review Scott. It was good to meet you and many familiar faces The Hawks are still rocking !!!!!!!!!!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of SHLL (Scott Heller) Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:14 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: 40th anniversary Gig Hello All, It was great to meet up with some of the folks from the list, Bernhard, Arin, chris, keith, andreas, etc... What a day it was. Some grreat stuff and some crap stuff. Oh yeah, they gave everyone a nice clotho bag with a special CD only for this event with Jason on it and some of the material is exclusive to this CD. Also a nice card with full authographs. A raffle ticket that as remake of a fake ticket stub from the first gig. I did nto win anything in the raffle but tey gave away some Motorhead crew shirts, LSD25 compilation cds and original huw lloyd lanngton artwork. I really hope that this is the last time that Hawkwind will parade poor old Huw Lloyd Langton out to embarsse him. The poor guy is just a sad pathetic shell of what he used to be. Day started off with Hawkwind with a different name, elves of silsbury hill? And that was pretty cool with dave plaing harmonica and mirror of illusion, green finned demon and some Tim blake tracks, etc.. They played like 45 minjs. Sounds was pretty crap in this hall though and the sound man was only ok. He did not really watch the members so some you never heard if he did not get them into the mix to start with. Next up was TOSH with spacehead guys belting out born to go and the sound was dreadful. Then huw joined them for masters of the universe and ejection and he was noodling away his own world and you could not heard him hardly at all until the end of the gig. Short and not good set. Tartantism were excellent and real surprise. A bit like a folky Culture Shock. The Hawkwind question and answer time was great fun. Richard was inssane with the talking badger. And a bit disruptive as well. Anyway, the Roadburn DVD will be out in time for the winter tour they said. A new LP will come out next year. They are considering working with a company to provide instant live CDs of their shows. We will see. Bob Keer and his Woople bnd was just fucking weird and bizzare fun. Bob was dave's neighbor in ladbrocke groove in the 60s and was the one who provided a rehearsal place for an early version of Hawkwind. He would play trumpet during Lighthouse at the real Hawkwind gig. 20;15 Huw starts thing soff with Tim blake and plays and old blues song with Dave on harmonica. Then a strange rocky path. Huw basically can't sing at all anymore and then he gets confused and lost if he does and the song goes all wobbly until he finds himself. He is just way way past his time and it is pretty pathetic they parade him out like this. I know all the old people still love him and I used to but he is just sad now. Dave was suppose to come back out and do Hurry on Sundown with Huw but I guess he was just to embarssed as Huw was just out of it. Tim blake stayed on and played harmonica. Huw wanted to leave but was forced to play a few more. Sad.... The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last encore), I have trouble with this keyboard so sorry for all the mistakes.. Great 1hr 45 min HW set. Good lights but not as good as Chaos Illumination used to do. Dancers were very cool. Hawkwind can still deliver a blinding spaced out set..... Great... It is just sad that no one from the 70s except Tim Blake is involved with the band anymore. Let's hope one day they can all come together in the spirit of the music and put all the bullshit baggae aside and just have a good time and play some psychedelic music in the spirit of 1970..... I had a great time. scott ______________ Scott Heller This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 30 20:37:06 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:37:06 +0800 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <1MhoQc-1LCwYE0@fwd03.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Thanks for that review. Great for those of us who were nowhere near the UK! Huw has been quite ill for some time, poor bloke... Jonathan 2009/8/31 bernhard.pospiech > Thanks for the great review Scott. > > It was good to meet you and many familiar faces > > The Hawks are still rocking !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of SHLL (Scott Heller) > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: 40th anniversary Gig > > Hello All, > > It was great to meet up with some of the folks from the list, Bernhard, > Arin, chris, keith, andreas, etc... What a day it was. Some grreat stuff > and > some crap stuff. Oh yeah, they gave everyone a nice clotho bag with a > special CD only for this event with Jason on it and some of the material is > exclusive to this CD. Also a nice card with full authographs. A raffle > ticket that as remake of a fake ticket stub from the first gig. I did nto > win anything in the raffle but tey gave away some Motorhead crew shirts, > LSD25 compilation cds and original huw lloyd lanngton artwork. > > I really hope that this is the last time that Hawkwind will parade poor old > Huw Lloyd Langton out to embarsse him. The poor guy is just a sad pathetic > shell of what he used to be. > > Day started off with Hawkwind with a different name, elves of silsbury > hill? > And that was pretty cool with dave plaing harmonica and mirror of illusion, > green finned demon and some Tim blake tracks, etc.. They played like 45 > minjs. Sounds was pretty crap in this hall though and the sound man was > only > ok. He did not really watch the members so some you never heard if he did > not get them into the mix to start with. > > Next up was TOSH with spacehead guys belting out born to go and the sound > was dreadful. Then huw joined them for masters of the universe and ejection > and he was noodling away his own world and you could not heard him hardly > at > all until the end of the gig. Short and not good set. > > Tartantism were excellent and real surprise. A bit like a folky Culture > Shock. > > The Hawkwind question and answer time was great fun. Richard was inssane > with the talking badger. And a bit disruptive as well. Anyway, the > Roadburn > DVD will be out in time for the winter tour they said. A new LP will come > out next year. They are considering working with a company to provide > instant live CDs of their shows. We will see. > > Bob Keer and his Woople bnd was just fucking weird and bizzare fun. Bob was > dave's neighbor in ladbrocke groove in the 60s and was the one who provided > a rehearsal place for an early version of Hawkwind. He would play trumpet > during Lighthouse at the real Hawkwind gig. > > 20;15 Huw starts thing soff with Tim blake and plays and old blues song > with > Dave on harmonica. Then a strange rocky path. Huw basically can't sing at > all anymore and then he gets confused and lost if he does and the song goes > all wobbly until he finds himself. He is just way way past his time and it > is pretty pathetic they parade him out like this. I know all the old people > still love him and I used to but he is just sad now. Dave was suppose to > come back out and do Hurry on Sundown with Huw but I guess he was just to > embarssed as Huw was just out of it. Tim blake stayed on and played > harmonica. Huw wanted to leave but was forced to play a few more. Sad.... > > The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some > songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were > mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver > machine > and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. > Sadly > the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the > lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear > him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last > encore), > > I have trouble with this keyboard so sorry for all the mistakes.. Great 1hr > 45 min HW set. Good lights but not as good as Chaos Illumination used to > do. > Dancers were very cool. > > Hawkwind can still deliver a blinding spaced out set..... Great... > > It is just sad that no one from the 70s except Tim Blake is involved with > the band anymore. Let's hope one day they can all come together in the > spirit of the music and put all the bullshit baggae aside and just have a > good time and play some psychedelic music in the spirit of 1970..... > > I had a great time. > > scott > > ______________ > > Scott Heller > > > This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) > stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by > law. > You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying > or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is > strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If > you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender > and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sun Aug 30 23:43:07 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:43:07 -0400 Subject: Porchester, Hawkfans galore Message-ID: Well, I'm too jet lagged to do a gig writeup, but I just wanted to say how great it was to meet up with so many BOC-Lers that I've been chatting with for so many years (plus a number of our "lurkers" who de-lurked long enough to introduce themselves to me). :-) It was great meeting you all! One of my favorite things about this event was what a great fan gathering it was. Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 31 07:47:18 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:47:18 +0100 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Who's at London? In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 31 07:50:03 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:50:03 -0400 Subject: [Hawkwind] Porchester Saturday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those who missed Friday's show - Hawkwind was introduced before the 9pm main event by Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden, who dedicated the show to the memory of Robert Calvert. Steve On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Paul Eaton-Jones wrote: > > > Though there were no ex-Hawks I did see Dave Gimour. He was stood next to me > for some time before my buddy pointed him out as he was leaving just before > the encore started. > > Paul. > > On 30 Aug 2009, at 13:17, drfegg at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/30/2009 12:54:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, > paultashby at btinternet.com writes: > > Very quickly, RC, Dibs and TB guested with HLL at different times, with > DB?playing harmonica?on HLL's opening song. No ex Hawks in attendance, > unless you count Rizz who guested on Spirit & Hassan.?Toby Marks, Bob Kerr > and Matthew Wright added guest appearances during the HW?set. VG atmos > overall, but could have delivered so much more. > > > > I still think it is a shame that none of the 50 odd ex-members turned up. > Despite what some people think Hawkwind is bigger than Mr Brock. He is a > very, very important cog in a larger machine, IMO. > No Harvey, Alan, Del, Dik Mik, Terry Ollis, Martin Griffin, Ade Shaw, Simon > House, Steve Swindells or dare I say it Nik? Even tracking down the elusive > John Harrison would have been nice! > Sad. I think it would have been?good if a semi-original line up of Group X > played... Sorry I am living in a dreamworld.... > Does anyone know if they were asked? > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (17) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! 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I agree that the opening sequence was brilliant, and that smoothly segued set of Warrior Poem / A&B / Golden Void / Where Are They Now? is probably my favorite thing the current live set, and vying to be one of my favorite things they've *ever* done... I've never seen Rizz before, and I had a moment of near-Lovecraftian horror when I realized they were about to have someone do Rap to Spirit of the Age, but it was absolutely stonking - brought the house down! And let me add that the dancers were great. The costumes and the choreography were well thought out and added to the show. I don't always think that's so with the various sideshow attractions that Hawkwind brings onstage with them :-) but this time it really worked. Steve On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Paul Eaton-Jones wrote: > > > What a great day Saturday was. Well organised and well paced. > > I missed the acoustic set at the start as I was at The Cock & Bottle waiting > for everyone to turn up for the Hawkwalk. Five of us did and wandered around > some the trail. On our way to the Porchester Steve and I bumped into Dave > and Kris. Perhaps he was re-tracing his old footsteps? > TOSH were loud and heavy. Tarantism were ok and probably more suited to an > open-air festival in the folk tent. The beat poet may have fitted into the > old Hawk event as a performance artist but was poor. If you're going to have > that sort of act our very own Paul Stevens would have been much better. > Bob Kerr's Whoopee Band were brilliant. The only minus point were the few in > the audience who insisted on talking very loudly over their set and couldn't > be bothered to give them a chance. > Huw was Huw. Flashes of former brilliance but not quite there. He has an > enormous well of love and affection within the Hawk community and received > warm and genuine applause when he went off. > The Q&A session was amusing if not in any way illuminating. Dave almost took > the edge of the proceedings when in answer to the question 'will there be a > 50th?' replied, 'I might be dead' Richard and badger were very funny. > ??Hawkwind. After what I considered to be a soulless gig at York at the end > of May they came back and blew me and the crowd away with a set of barely > controlled sound and fury, energy and commitment. Apart from the addition of > a couple of old favourites it was the same set but transformed beyond > belief. The two opening numbers, Assault & Battery/The Golden Void which I > consider poor opening tracks and which I've never heard good renditions of, > were truly stunning. Loud, heavy, hard ?and everything you'd want from an > opening. [And how I wanted them to sound]. > They never looked back. > Highlights from a virtual flawless set? > Angels Of Death. A herd of buffalo stampeding down an oak staircase sums it > up. > SOTA. THE highlight. Rizz was magnificent. His vocal contributions were spot > on and his jigging around the stage fitted right in. He has to be a major > fan of the band and music to perform as he did. Young Toby on lead guitar > was very good, Matthew Wright came on for backing vocals and everybody on > stage were having a ball. > Lord Of Light. Superb. Great extended jamming in the middle; ditto You'd > Better Believe ?It and Hassan I Sahba. > Apart from the first Hawkwind concert I went to which is special this was > probably the best one I've seen. A 10/10? Almost, though I'd be very hard > pressed to say where they dropped a mark or even half a mark. > > So there're a just a few random thoughts and impressions. I will write up a > full review for Brian but if anyone else is remotely interested I can make > it available somehow. > Paul. > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (7) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > Hawkwind e-group! 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Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 31 09:28:03 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:28:03 -0400 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <200908311312.n7VDC78P029131@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: LOL! I have this vision now of all us showing up at a gig wearing some kind of plastic headband-with-ear-cup contraptions. Maybe we could get them imprinted with a BOC-L logo. ;-) Steve On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:12 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Martin Hutchby writes: > >> Yep, quite a good synopsis ?that.......Hawkwind have obviously decided to >> run a yts scheme for soundmen - ?but why did we have to get the guy on his >> first day yesterday ?? > > To be fair, all the wood panelling in the hall created a great deal of > mush in the sound as the walls acted like soundboards. ?Using my hands > to screen my ears from the echo (thanks to whoever gave me that tip) > made for a crisper sound, but it's had to go through a gig with your > hands cupping your ears. ?It's a nice hall to play, but the sound there > is never going to be easy. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Aug 31 10:03:11 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:03:11 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind at Porchester Hall Message-ID: Hello folks Back again in Germany I will try to do my best to describe in my poor English at least the Saturday part of this weekend-event Me and my good old friend Rainer arrived early Saturday morning in Heathrow. Catched the next tube to Oxford Street and I managed to buy LIVE 78 / OUT OF THE SHADOWS and PXR5 at HMV. The 1st part of the UK visit was a success for me. Then we moved by tube to the Porchester Hall. We arrived here at about 11. Noone infront of the Hall and no chance to go inside. We decided to wait and about 15 minutes later the 1st fans arrived. The doors opened about 12:15. We were given some surprizes and of course bought t-shirts. Then upstairs into the Hall Over the next couple of hours the Hall was filled with (for me) many familiar faces. They were: At least 2 different Steves, Scott Heller, Jill Strobridge, Mike Holmes, Martin Wray, Alfred, Justin Redgrave, Paul Eaton Jones, Graham Glover, Arind + Rich, Adreas + Gaby, Christos, Nicky, Nick Lee, Paul Taylor Of course there were many more. Sorry if I have forgotten some of them. I will not describe all the performances during this evening because there are folks who can do it better or did it better. Hawkwind played in fact 2 shows. A 45 minute gig and then later in the evening a 115 minute gig As most of the fans have stated here it was a great event with awesome performances by our favorite band !!! Here is the track list for the main sets from Fri/Sat 28.08.2009, LONDON, PORCHESTER HALL, 110 mins. (late show) intro / warriors / assault and battery / golden void / where are they now / lighthouse / space is deep poem / angels of death / wraith / green machine / spirit of the age / silver machine / sentinel / poem / magnu / brainbox pollution / you'd better believe it / right to decide / hassan i sahba / jam / hassan i sahba / fahrenheit 451 29.08.2009, LONDON, PORCHESTER HALL, 115 mins. (late show) intro / warriors / assault and battery / golden void / where are they now / lighthouse / space is deep poem / angels of death / wraith / green machine / spirit of the age / silver machine / sentinel / lord of light / poem / magnu / brainbox pollution / you'd better believe it / right to decide / hassan i sahba / jam / hassan i sahba / fahrenheit 451 Sharp-eyed fans will notice that LORD OF LIGHT was played only on Saturday The Hawks played a storming and very heavy show. They really had fun. The complete show was a highlight and not only special songs. I have absolutely no idea why there are a couple of writers here who complained !!! What did they expect ??? All 50 ex-members together on one stage ????? Why do they have problems with the set / song selection ?? Yes, they played here most of the songs they also played during the sets early this year. But this is not a problem because all these songs are excellent. And some "very special" ones were performed during the early-set. I have the feeling that some folks still have not recoginzed how lucky they are to have the opportunity to see our favorite band at least once a month over a year in their own country. Perhaps they are full up and ever expect the impossible. Other fans have to travel by plane long distances to see them. And they enjoy every minute of each show. I still feel the pain in my arse after trying to sleep on the hard floor of the Heathrow airport ;-) Thank you Hawkwind for a great event with a great performance. I am sure that most of the fans feel like me. Do not listen to the few ones who wants to destroy you and your wonderfull music. HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Aug 31 11:08:52 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:08:52 +0200 Subject: Hawklords Live 78 Message-ID: Hi there One of you did here about 5 or 6 weeks ago an excellent comparison of the HL-LIVE / HL-LIVE-78 CD's Could you please do it again. Unfortunately I can not find it anymore in my mailbox Thanks in advance !! Bernhard From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 31 11:25:36 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:25:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles 229 Club Gig Message-ID: PRESS RELEASE THE HAWKLORDS HEADLINE AN ALL-DAY BARNEY BUBBLES MEMORIAL BENEFIT CONCERT ? ? ? The 229 Club, 229 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PN Sunday 29th November, 2009 from 2 ? 10pm On 14th November 1983, the art and music worlds lost one of their most important and innovative figures with the death of the legendary graphic designer Barney Bubbles. His work as Hawkwind?s cover artist and stage-set creator established him as key figure in the Ladbroke Grove/Notting Hill counter-culture scene, whilst his subsequent work with Stiff Records (including his designs for Elvis Costello?s album covers and his fractured Kandinsky-esque cover painting for The Damned?s Music For Pleasure LP) established his relevance to the punk/new-wave generation. He directed the seminal video for The Specials? ?Ghost Town? single, worked as art director at Friends magazine and was an early champion of Pennie Smith, who was to become one of rock?s most lauded photographers. ??...one of the most important graphic artists of his time.? Will Birch, ?No Sleep ?Till Canvey Island ? The British Pub Rock Scene?. Barney Bubbles? long-time friend and admirer, former Hawkwind saxophonist Nik Turner, has been instrumental in organising this memorial concert celebrating the life and achievements of this most singular of multi-media artists, with a view to setting up a foundation/annual award for innovative album cover design, and a memorial plaque for him... Headliners THE HAWKLORDS, featuring Adrian Shaw, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Jerry Richards, Martin Griffin, Nik Turner, Ron Tree, Steve Swindells and Terry Ollis will perform Hawkwind?s 1973 stage extravaganza, Space Ritual, up-dated to 2009, supported by? The New Bubblettes dancers and lighting designs inspired by Liquid Len & The Lensmen. The day?s extensive line-up also features key 70s Notting Hill band QUINTESSENCE, The Damned founder-member Brian James, fronting his own BRIAN JAMES GANG, Nik Turner?s INNER CITY UNIT and the band created by Barney Bubbles,THE IMPERIAL POMPADOURS. Pentameters Players will perform their acclaimed staging of ROBERT CALVERT?s play, ?The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam?s Dice?. Also appearing during this memorial concert: JERRY FITZGERALD/LOL COXHILL?S ?FRE-EX, TRIKIMIKI?S ?3-D SPACE-WARP?, and D.J. JEFF DEXTER ?Barney was, as far as media direction of the youth of this country, probably the most important artist of our generation.? Douglas Smith, interviewed by Jonathon Green, ?Days In the Life: Voices From The English Underground?. www.hawklords.com The 229 ticket hotline 0207 323 7229 * ?20.00 advance, ?25.00 door From lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 31 11:32:14 2009 From: lindyhopper999 at YAHOO.COM (The Baron) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:32:14 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Message-ID: Took me awhile to get to reply.... I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times and they were always top form, tight and professional. This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be on the same page. Weird song selections too. Golden Age Of Leather? Shooting Shark? No Astronomy. Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings that had nothing to do with the song. Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the radio play stuff. His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. Kid's got good taste. From tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Aug 31 11:39:24 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:39:24 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yah, sad to say this is par for the course nowadays. Since they became 2?C I've quit going to their shows, including a free concert right in my hometown last year! Better to remember them as they were, I'm afraid... tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of The Baron Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Took me awhile to get to reply.... I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times and they were always top form, tight and professional. This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be on the same page. Weird song selections too. Golden Age Of Leather? Shooting Shark? No Astronomy. Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings that had nothing to do with the song. Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the radio play stuff. His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. Kid's got good taste. From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Mon Aug 31 11:45:31 2009 From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:45:31 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sadly, this has been my experience the last few times I saw them, and this is spaced over at least 6 years. I no longer make it a point to seem tham frequently, and instead more for the sake of nostalgia. Last time I saw them was 2 years ago at a revamped theater in Englewood, NJ. Much like you described, and the sound was terrible. The newest guy (keyboard/Guitars), sorry but I can't be bothered to look up his name right now, was doing all the work and seemed to be the only one with any enthusiasm. Foghat came on next, and though they were as boring as usual, they had great sound. Saw Alice Cooper there last fall and his sound was also great, so it can't be the venue and then it must be the Oyster Boys. Terrible shame. --Eric On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:32:14 -0400, The Baron wrote: > Took me awhile to get to reply.... > > I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times > and > they were always top form, tight and professional. > This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". > This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were > tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be > on > the same page. > Weird song selections too. > Golden Age Of Leather? > Shooting Shark? > No Astronomy. > Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. > Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings > that had nothing to do with the song. > Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. > On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the > radio play stuff. > His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. > Kid's got good taste. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 31 11:54:26 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:54:26 -0700 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure "Burning for You" is a radio hit and I doubt they'd ever drop it or "Reaper." Hardcore people would probably be in your camp but a band like BOC is probably obligated to play hits for those casual audience members who may not know more than what the radio plays. I'd love to hear "Golden Age of Leather" it's one of my favorite songs from "Spectres" though I think it would be hard to do the Beach Boysesque vocals live. ________________________________ From: The Baron To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:32:14 AM Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Took me awhile to get to reply.... I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times and they were always top form, tight and professional. This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be on the same page. Weird song selections too. Golden Age Of Leather? Shooting Shark? No Astronomy. Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings that had nothing to do with the song. Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the radio play stuff. His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. Kid's got good taste. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 31 11:55:58 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:55:58 -0700 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E8224E93600@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: I regret not seeing the Brain Surgeons on their last tour and I guess that won't happen with Albert, Ross and Deb now. ________________________________ From: Theodore O Jackson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:39:24 AM Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Yah, sad to say this is par for the course nowadays. Since they became 2?C I've quit going to their shows, including a free concert right in my hometown last year! Better to remember them as they were, I'm afraid... tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of The Baron Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:32 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Took me awhile to get to reply.... I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times and they were always top form, tight and professional. This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be on the same page. Weird song selections too. Golden Age Of Leather? Shooting Shark? No Astronomy. Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings that had nothing to do with the song. Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the radio play stuff. His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. Kid's got good taste. From tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Aug 31 11:59:00 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The last straw has to be the practice of giving big solo spots on bass and drums during Godzilla to two hired rhythm players. This in the midst of a set that usually lasts all of an hour, effectively turning it into a half-hour show. Way to take care of your loyal fans, dudes! tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of E F Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Sadly, this has been my experience the last few times I saw them, and this is spaced over at least 6 years. I no longer make it a point to seem tham frequently, and instead more for the sake of nostalgia. Last time I saw them was 2 years ago at a revamped theater in Englewood, NJ. Much like you described, and the sound was terrible. The newest guy (keyboard/Guitars), sorry but I can't be bothered to look up his name right now, was doing all the work and seemed to be the only one with any enthusiasm. Foghat came on next, and though they were as boring as usual, they had great sound. Saw Alice Cooper there last fall and his sound was also great, so it can't be the venue and then it must be the Oyster Boys. Terrible shame. --Eric On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:32:14 -0400, The Baron wrote: > Took me awhile to get to reply.... > > I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times > and > they were always top form, tight and professional. > This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". > This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were > tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be > on > the same page. > Weird song selections too. > Golden Age Of Leather? > Shooting Shark? > No Astronomy. > Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. > Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings > that had nothing to do with the song. > Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. > On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the > radio play stuff. > His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. > Kid's got good taste. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 31 12:05:48 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:05:48 -0700 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E8224E93601@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: I think they've done solos during that song since the days of the Bouchard Bros. I remember a friend complaining in the 90s because he expected them to have a a laser show when they probably ditched that in the 80s (I know they didn't have one on the "Revolution by Night" tour I saw). ________________________________ From: Theodore O Jackson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:59:00 AM Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show The last straw has to be the practice of giving big solo spots on bass and drums during Godzilla to two hired rhythm players.? This in the midst of a set that usually lasts all of an hour, effectively turning it into a half-hour show.? Way to take care of your loyal fans, dudes! tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of E F Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show Sadly, this has been my experience the last few times I saw them, and this? is spaced over at least 6 years.? I no longer make it a point to seem tham? frequently, and instead more for the sake of nostalgia. Last time I saw them was 2 years ago at a revamped theater in Englewood,? NJ.? Much like you described, and the sound was terrible.? The newest guy? (keyboard/Guitars), sorry but I can't be bothered to look up his name? right now, was doing all the work and seemed to be the only one with any? enthusiasm. Foghat came on next, and though they were as boring as usual, they had? great sound. Saw Alice Cooper there last fall and his sound was also great, so it can't? be the venue and then it must be the Oyster Boys. Terrible shame. ? --Eric On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:32:14 -0400, The Baron ? wrote: > Took me awhile to get to reply.... > > I was horribly disappointed in the show. I've seen them many many times? > and > they were always top form, tight and professional. > This time the band seemed to be "going through the motions". > This was a rescheduled show from a canceled Dec. gig, so maybe they were > tired or didn't want to be there. Either way. The band didn't seem to be? > on > the same page. > Weird song selections too. > Golden Age Of Leather? > Shooting Shark? > No Astronomy. > Please, please, please stop with the Burning For You. > Godzilla turned into a huge sing along and then some weird solo noodlings > that had nothing to do with the song. > Sad to see they're a shell of what they used to be. > On a positive note, I took my son, who's 26. He's only familiar with the > radio play stuff. > His favorite song this night was Last Days Of May. > Kid's got good taste. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 12:10:11 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:10:11 -0500 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess 2?C must still be making some money out of playing the county fairs with the puppet shows, since I can't think of why else they are doing it. The last time I saw any incarnation of the band (in London probably at least 5 years ago!), Alan was still aboard to make it 3?C, but other than Buck (and, actually, Alan) still being able to crank out some cool guitar, it was pretty clear that there was nothing really going on. Honestly, Eric's recent "Hamtouchers" Warhammer song was more fun than most of "Curse of the Hidden Mirror" -- and what's the likelihood of 2?C being able to crank out an album better than _Harvest Moon_ (which at least had a pretty decent title track, for all that it was a retread of something Buck wrote in the 80s) or _CotHM_? Slight, is my lamentable prediction -- in which case, what's the point? Though I can understand a band that doesn't produce a lot of new material but delivers ripping, amazing live performances .... it's not like 2?C seem to be doing that anyway. :/ Maybe they figure that they are now so low on the radar that they can just run the name into the ground with no harm done? I dunno .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 12:11:02 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:11:02 -0500 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <436330.8070.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The final incarnation of tBS was pretty amazing. They may be gone, but they went with a bang! Cheers, Carl On 31 Aug 2009, at 10:55, gary shindler wrote: > I regret not seeing the Brain Surgeons on their last tour and I > guess that won't happen with Albert, Ross and Deb now. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 12:20:40 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:20:40 -0500 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D39641D2@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: On 30 Aug 2009, at 05:14, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Anyway, the Roadburn DVD will be out in time for the winter tour > they said. Is that the Roadburn performance from some years back with the Brock/ Davey/Chadwick/keys-guy-whose-name-I've-forgotten lineup (which everyone on-list raved about at the time) or is it a more recent Roadburn set? > They are considering working with a company to provide instant live > CDs of their shows. We will see. Not holding my breath -- still, it's a step in the right direction that they're even talking about it. ('Course, they'll have to be kicking out good shows to sell more than just souveniers to those who happened to be there on the night ....) > The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming > in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the > only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, > capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named > Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of > Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on > Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at > all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last > encore) [...] > Hawkwind can still deliver a blinding spaced out set..... Great... Good to know! I've not really heard much from the band since Alan's departure, and honestly I've not had a _lot_ of expectations ... but Hawkwind has proved everyone wrong before -- sometimes for better, sometimes for worse -- and I'd be happy to be proved wrong in the former way! > It is just sad that no one from the 70s except Tim Blake is > involved with the band anymore. Let's hope one day they can all > come together in the spirit of the music and put all the bullshit > baggae aside and just have a good time and play some psychedelic > music in the spirit of 1970..... Again, not holding my breath! It often seems like there are people who were involved with the band in the '70s who simply have not got their mierda sufficiently together to be in any kind of regular band anymore, and then there are others who have at least some of the mierda together, but won't go near Dave on account of bad vibes of on someone or another's part, or are just otherwise satisfied to do their own thing in their own way. After all, with the (first) departure of Nik in the mid-70s, HW were already basically devoid of all original members but Dave, no? HW is and does what Dave says it is and does, so I guess we've just gotta go with that! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Aug 31 12:36:13 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <512067.77092.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think they've done solos during that song since the days of the Bouchard Bros. They sure did, and I didn't like it then either! But at least it could be justified. Now, not so much... I remember a friend complaining in the 90s because he expected them to have a a laser show when they probably ditched that in the 80s (I know they didn't have one on the "Revolution by Night" tour I saw). Hmm...I wonder what the timeline is for the laser shows. I think it probably only lasted a couple of tours, but the old mind is pretty foggy on that. I know for sure that they had them for the tour behind Spectres, and probably through Mirrors, but I can't say for sure when it ended... tj From tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Aug 31 12:41:56 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:41:56 -0400 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <92CED022-3A0B-486A-B31F-0BDEE8B8647C@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I guess 2?C must still be making some money out of playing the county fairs with the puppet shows, since I can't think of why else they are doing it. Yah, if not for the 'Taste of Peoria' type shows and Indian casinos, I guess 2?C would be out of business... The last time I saw any incarnation of the band (in London probably at least 5 years ago!), Alan was still aboard to make it 3?C, but other than Buck (and, actually, Alan) still being able to crank out some cool guitar, it was pretty clear that there was nothing really going on. Honestly, Eric's recent "Hamtouchers" Warhammer song was more fun than most of "Curse of the Hidden Mirror" -- and what's the likelihood of 2?C being able to crank out an album better than _Harvest Moon_ (which at least had a pretty decent title track, Heaven Forbid? But yeah, Harvest Moon is a truly great song. I guess they probably quit doing it live a while back, which is too bad as it was one of their best songs live... for all that it was a retread of something Buck wrote in the 80s) or _CotHM_? Slight, is my lamentable prediction -- in which case, what's the point? Though I can understand a band that doesn't produce a lot of new material but delivers ripping, amazing live performances .... it's not like 2?C seem to be doing that anyway. :/ Maybe they figure that they are now so low on the radar that they can just run the name into the ground with no harm done? I dunno .... Yah, sounds about right. Besides they're at a good age to retire. Do a couple more years of municipal festivals and call it a day. Well, you can always spin Secret Treaties any time ya want... tj From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Aug 31 13:02:29 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:02:29 -0500 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922D39641D2@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> Message-ID: > The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last encore), > ;-) Scott the some guy named Daniel was actually Electronica/Ambient legend 'Toby Marks' aka 'Banco De Gaia' who was also Djing most of the weekend. He has a new album coming out in a few days with a cover of 'Spirit of the Age' amongst other things. Rich. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Aug 31 13:25:50 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:25:50 -0700 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <4A9C0225.6060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: Isn't "Spirit of the Age" probably at a dozen different versions already? Geez. It's not like there are three songs they've done. ________________________________ From: Rich W To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:02:29 PM Subject: Re: 40th anniversary Gig > The real Hawkwind show was a blinder with some pretty cool jamming in some songs. Tim blake was amazing. Great set of tracks and the only guest were mathew wright for silver mahcine backing vocals, capt rizz on silver machine and hassan I sahba and some guy named Daniel? Who played on one track. Sadly the new guy from Tribe of Cro, his guitar was way too low and e played the lead guitar on Lord of light and It's s Easy bt you could not hardly hear him at all. His space effects were great. Magnu, Farenheith 451 )last encore), >? ;-) Scott the some guy named Daniel was actually Electronica/Ambient legend 'Toby Marks' aka? 'Banco De Gaia' who was also Djing most of the weekend. He has a new album coming out in a few days with a cover of 'Spirit of the Age' amongst other things. Rich. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 14:22:49 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:22:49 -0500 Subject: Boc: BOC Cleveland Ohio Show In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E8224E93603@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On 31 Aug 2009, at 11:41, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > _Harvest Moon_ (which at least had a pretty decent title > track, > > Heaven Forbid? Oops, that's right! :} Though I guess that just goes to show how forgettable the rest of the album was! > But yeah, Harvest Moon is a truly great song. > I guess they probably quit doing it live a while back, which > is too bad as it was one of their best songs live... It's a decent song -- solid Buck stuff. I never really liked the suddenly manic guitar break in the middle -- not that I've anything against manic guitar breaks, I just thought such a thing didn't really work there -- but it's a good song. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 31 14:49:20 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:49:20 +0000 Subject: Litmus - 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: <518135.85665.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Litmus are playing a "special" at the Bull & Gate in Kentish Town on Saturday September 12th.? This will be one of those occasions when the band get to play a really long set with no support acts. If you like your spacerock loud and heavy, then come along and hand over a measly ?6.00. Doors open at 8pm. The new album "Aurora" is now available in shops and from the band's online shop?. http://www.myspace.com/litmusspacerock? http://www.bullandgate.co.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 15:15:16 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:15:16 -0500 Subject: Litmus - 12.09.09 In-Reply-To: <842997.38942.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And let me add that I have now heard _Aurora_, and I have been well impressed! I mean, I like Litmus and have the earlier albums, but somehow this new one is particularly capturing my attention. I recall "Miles Away" (if I remember right) is a notably excellent track and, most prominently, "Kings of Infinite Space" is just about worth the price of admission on its own, with an amazing chilled-but- majestic vibe that might be most easily compared to HW's "Down through the Night" or "Space Is Deep". Yet though the Hawkwind influence is unmistakable through Litmus's works, they definitely have their own vibe. bIf people were just out to copy Hawkwind, they wouldn't sound like Litmus -- and that's a Good Thing. Litmus are space rock, and they are loud and heavy, and they have clearly listened to more than a little Hawkwind/Mot?rhead/Sabbath/Gong/ Whatever, but they are also ever more confidently and successfully themselves. :) I would heartily recommend both album and gig! :) Cheers, Carl On 31 Aug 2009, at 13:49, Colin Allen wrote: > The new album "Aurora" is now available in shops and from the > band's online shop . -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Aug 31 16:06:04 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:06:04 +0000 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig Message-ID: Hello, ? Had a hell of good time on Saturday!! A couple of people have mentioned they couldn't hear Niall's guitar. I was stood in front of the 'Barney' speakers?and could hear him very well - it sounded excellent! Maybe he wasn't feeding through the main speakers? I really hope this gets released on DVD in the not too distant future. ? Dave playing a Les Paul?-Yeeeessss!!! ? It was good to meet everyone again, as well as few?people I haven't met before - great to meet Steve Swann, the list's founder! ? Cheers, ? Mick ? From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 16:23:11 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:23:11 -0500 Subject: 40th anniversary Gig In-Reply-To: <327212.20326.qm@web86207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 31 Aug 2009, at 15:06, Mick Crook wrote: > Dave playing a Les Paul -Yeeeessss!!! I believe Dave started using a Gibson Les Paul Custom round about 2004. (I think he started using a Line6 Pod about the same time -- blasphemy for guitar purists, of course, but Dave is not exactly one of those. :)) Back in the early '70s he regularly used a Dick Knight custom guitar that was pretty much a Gibson Les Paul Custom copy. But, yes, even with amp simulation: fat humbuckers are the way forward! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 31 16:48:52 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:48:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Be Seeing You? In-Reply-To: <919e368d0908201520i3b8c3d5bmc965a28fb8260307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 20 Aug 2009, at 17:20, Steve Swann wrote: > I'm *contemplating* shelling out for HBO, depending on how their "Song > of Ice and Fire" looks as it gets closer to airtime... Well, that's the first I'd heard about a plan to make a video version of G.R.R. Martin's series! I tend to be skeptical of such things, but given that I thought HBO's _Rome_ was excellent (if, unfortunately, way to expensive for the amount of money it made in return), I guess it could be done well! I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for that! The magic of the Internet tells me that they're supposed to start shooting the pilot in a few months -- any news of a possible air date? (Next year, I guess ....) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 31 22:57:19 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:57:19 -0400 Subject: First vid of Porchester opening song sequence Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/user/4GC This vid was clearly shot in low light mode, because the band looks more brightly lit and the background video projections far more washed out than it looked in person. I wish the contributor had left the Warrior poem at the beginning of this. But it captures the sound fairly well for something obviously shot from a handheld. Watch it quick, the band may make the contributor take it down since they've got a pro video in the works. Steve