From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 1 05:57:37 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:57:37 +0100 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: trev's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:01:32 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 1 06:21:18 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:21:18 +0100 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 1 08:26:56 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:26:56 +0100 Subject: Origin of "Where Are They Now"? Definitive answer needed! In-Reply-To: <200903061135.n26BZNHW028345@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 11:35:23AM +0000, M Holmes typed out: > Visionary Head writes: > > Somehow I'd missed this page on Adrians site - > > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hawkwind/disc_weird105.html > > > and, quite coincidentally, I'd just been playing "Where Are They Now" > > > Is there ANY evidence to back up the statement it was recorded at > > Burringto= n, Village Hall =96 December 1977? > > > I question this as it also states that Harvey is on vocals, when its > > obviou= sly Dave > > > As there has been some (deliberate?) confusion regarding the source of > > some= > > of the Weird recordings (i.e. diff gig dates/venues), perhaps this could b= > > e another Rockfield '79 session?=20 > > It sounds more like a studio track. > > > I just wonder about that as it was released cut, I mean a 2 minute > > track? E= specially as Time Of, Valium 10 have all appeared > > chopped/edited at differe= nt times! > > > I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this and perhaps > > providing = a definitive answer! > > Yep, I'd be interested too for Codex purposes. Anyone in touch with Adrian? I see him very occasionally at the Standard. In fact there was a Frond gig there a while ago I've not got round to reviewing, I must do that. > Whatever, I wish they'd lengthen the track. It's one of their best. It's a lovely and poignant vignette but I think it would have to be part of something larger to be a final recording. Otherwise it's just a segment of `P.X.R.5' with revised (and better) vocals... I often complain about them recycling content but this is a case where I rather wish they would, it desrves a home. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 1 10:20:21 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:20:21 -0400 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), In-Reply-To: <200903290819.n2T8JEwu017118@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hi friends I have a favor to ask of you, on the forum. I'm having trouble finding all the content in the Steve Wilson article. I thought there was more to it, than what I read, and while talking to a friend, I found out I missed some of it. A friend who uses dial up service was going to edit the text together and send it to me. That didn't work out, he got thrown out of the site. Does anyone have a few minutes to help? With much appreciation, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John Rennie Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:19 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), I've never met anyone with perfect pitch, in the sense that I could play a random note and they could tell me what note it was. Chords are different, because not all major chords sound the same, and I have friends who can tell what key music is in. It's something to do with the spacing between the notes in the scale I think. I must admit I can't tell what a chord is just by hearing it, and I can't tell what key music is in. I can tell major from minor chords and I can mostly recognise intervals, though not always. I guess I'd be unwise to try for a career in music :-) It's doesn't stop me enojing it though! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary Sent: 27 March 2009 17:50 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends, I get very frustrated when I listen to music with someone and they can tell the chords automatically. I have a relatively good sense of pitch, and a little grounding in theory, I can pick an A note out of the air on key. Do you think perfect pitch is innate, or can be learned. I have 2 blind friends, and 1 is totally convinced that if I don't have it, I never will. Another, says it can be learned. Of course, I'm inclined to believe the latter. If I'm told that I can't do something, my Irish blood comes through and I'll do whatever I can to prove otherwise. I'd be very interested in what all you fine musicians, and other listeners like me, have to say. Many thanks, Mary From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 1 10:20:21 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:20:21 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <200904010957.n319vbYG026779@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Believe it or not, I never heard that before. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:58 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! trev writes: > >> ALL CAPITALISTS ARE IDIOTS > >> ALL COMMUNISTS ARE IDIOTS Who was it who said "In capitalism, one man exploits another. In communism, it's the other way around"? FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 1 10:46:26 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:46:26 -0700 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), In-Reply-To: Message-ID: _______ I know I found it on Popmatters, if that helps, Mary. ________________________________ From: mary To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:20:21 AM Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends I have a favor to ask of you, on the forum. I'm having trouble finding all the content in the Steve Wilson article. I thought there was more to it, than what I read, and while talking to a friend, I found out I missed some of it.? A friend who uses dial up service was going to edit the text together and send it to me. That didn't work out, he got thrown out of the site.? Does anyone have a few minutes to help? With much appreciation, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John Rennie Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:19 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), I've never met anyone with perfect pitch, in the sense that I could play a random note and they could tell me what note it was. Chords are different, because not all major chords sound the same, and I have friends who can tell what key music is in. It's something to do with the spacing between the notes in the scale I think. I must admit I can't tell what a chord is just by hearing it, and I can't tell what key music is in. I can tell major from minor chords and I can mostly recognise intervals, though not always. I guess I'd be unwise to try for a career in music :-) It's doesn't stop me enojing it though! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary Sent: 27 March 2009 17:50 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends, I get very frustrated when I listen to music with someone and they can tell the chords automatically.? I have a relatively good sense of pitch, and a little grounding in theory, I can pick an A note out of the air on key.? Do you think perfect pitch is innate, or can be learned. I have 2 blind friends, and 1 is totally convinced that if I don't have it, I never will.? Another, says it can be learned.? Of course, I'm inclined to believe the latter.? If I'm told that I can't do something, my Irish blood comes through and I'll do whatever I can to prove otherwise. I'd be very interested in what all you fine musicians, and other listeners like me, have to say. Many thanks, Mary From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 11:35:10 2009 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (Swartz, John A.) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:10 -0400 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Message-ID: Yeah, I want to take lessons from these guys! :-) Actually, I have both of Joe's rock bass instruction videos - was watching one last night in fact - maybe I'll bring it to Sculler's Jazz Club next week and see I can get Joe to autograph it (He's playing there with "Jeff Pitchell and the Classic Original All-Stars", including Joe, Simon Kirke of Bad Company, and Tommy Shannon from Double Trouble). John > -----Original Message----- > From: gary shindler [mailto:bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), > > ____________________ > You and Joe are both music teachers, Al? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Albert Bouchard > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:14:09 PM > Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), > > Hi Mary: > Anyone can figure out relative pitch by using do re me fa so la ti do. The > two pitches outside of those scale tones have distinctive vibes: flatted > second like many Metallica songs ie. Enter Sandman, which also has the > other tone outside the regular scale - the ever popular flatted fifth, the > devil's tone, the tritone, ie. the intro to the song Black Sabbath. > Everything else is variations on the major and minor scales. Certain chord > progressions are distinctive - the most common of all is simply 1 5 (do so) > 1 6 4 5 Heart and Soul - 1 7 6 7 Reaper and you can learn to recognize > these as well. Now you know everything you need to know about music theory. > Al > On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:45 AM, mary wrote: > > > Hi JR, > > From all that I've heard from my last posting, I'm inclined to think that > > relative pitch can be learned, with ear training and all that, and I > guess > > one can get to a point of having nearly perfect pitch, however, my friend > > with perfect pitch is amazing.? There's a story in her family that at the > > age of 2 she played "Happy Birthday" for her aunt.? Since I listen to so > > much music I want to understand it better, and we're? probably on the > same > > level with our musical abilities.? Me, in a band, ha!? That's not going > to > > happen.? Thanks for your response.? I have been away from the computer > for a > > bit since the posting, so if I'm lax in responding to anyone, it's not > for > > lack of interest, I still have to go all the way back to Friday.? Time > for > > the Way Back Machine, is the professor their? > > > > Mary > > > > Mary about > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John Rennie > > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:19 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), > > > > > > I've never met anyone with perfect pitch, in the sense that I could > > play a random note and they could tell me what note it was. Chords > > are different, because not all major chords sound the same, and I > > have friends who can tell what key music is in. It's something to do > > with the spacing between the notes in the scale I think. > > > > I must admit I can't tell what a chord is just by hearing it, and I > > can't tell what key music is in. I can tell major from minor chords > > and I can mostly recognise intervals, though not always. I guess I'd > > be unwise to try for a career in music :-) It's doesn't stop me > > enojing it though! > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > > Behalf Of mary > > Sent: 27 March 2009 17:50 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), > > > > Hi friends, > > > > I get very frustrated when I listen to music with someone and they can > > tell the chords automatically.? I have a relatively good sense of > > pitch, and a little grounding in theory, I can pick an A note out of > > the air on key.? Do you think perfect pitch is innate, or can be > > learned. I have 2 blind friends, and 1 is totally convinced that if I > > don't have it, I never will.? Another, says it can be learned.? Of > > course, I'm inclined to believe the latter.? If I'm told that I can't > > do something, my Irish blood comes through and I'll do whatever I can > > to prove otherwise. I'd be very interested in what all you fine > > musicians, and other listeners like me, have to say. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Mary > > > > > > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 1 11:52:13 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:52:13 -0700 Subject: Fw: [Up-Tight] Family of Crawdaddy's Paul Williams needs help Message-ID: A question to Albert Bouchard: One of the responses on the Paul Nelson website says you wrote for Crawdaddy. Were they thinking of Meltzer or Pearlman or did you write for Crawdaddy? Gary ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Telstar To: Up-tight at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:37:28 PM Subject: [Up-Tight] Family of Crawdaddy's Paul Williams needs help "Paul Williams, the legendary creator of Crawdaddy! Magazine, fell off his bicycle in 1995 and suffered a traumatic brain injury, which has led to early onset Alzheimer's. His family's having difficulties with his care, and so a few of Paul's friend have set up a website both as a tribute to his life and work and in order to make an appeal for help. Apart from being a true Founding Father of 'rock writing', and Philip K. Dick's literary executor, Paul should be of special interest to Boing Boing readers for his place at the crossroads where the science fiction fanzines of the '50's gave rise to an empowered and self-aware music-fan subculture -- and helped create what we now know as 'the '60's'. For anyone with a curiosity about the formation of world- changing subcultures through grassroots media, Paul was there when blogging was a twinkle in a mimeograph eye." http://www.boingboi ng.net/2009/ 03/31/family- of-crawdaddys. html Al __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent ActivityVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 1 13:11:18 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:11:18 -0400 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), In-Reply-To: <475099.53517.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Gary, all the stuff between the pages gets in my way. If anyone saves an edited copy please pass it along. After posting, I realized I interrupted my own thread, sorry, wasn't even half awake. Thanks for your response. Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of gary shindler Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), _______ I know I found it on Popmatters, if that helps, Mary. ________________________________ From: mary To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:20:21 AM Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends I have a favor to ask of you, on the forum. I'm having trouble finding all the content in the Steve Wilson article. I thought there was more to it, than what I read, and while talking to a friend, I found out I missed some of it.? A friend who uses dial up service was going to edit the text together and send it to me. That didn't work out, he got thrown out of the site.? Does anyone have a few minutes to help? With much appreciation, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John Rennie Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:19 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), I've never met anyone with perfect pitch, in the sense that I could play a random note and they could tell me what note it was. Chords are different, because not all major chords sound the same, and I have friends who can tell what key music is in. It's something to do with the spacing between the notes in the scale I think. I must admit I can't tell what a chord is just by hearing it, and I can't tell what key music is in. I can tell major from minor chords and I can mostly recognise intervals, though not always. I guess I'd be unwise to try for a career in music :-) It's doesn't stop me enojing it though! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary Sent: 27 March 2009 17:50 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends, I get very frustrated when I listen to music with someone and they can tell the chords automatically.? I have a relatively good sense of pitch, and a little grounding in theory, I can pick an A note out of the air on key.? Do you think perfect pitch is innate, or can be learned. I have 2 blind friends, and 1 is totally convinced that if I don't have it, I never will.? Another, says it can be learned.? Of course, I'm inclined to believe the latter.? If I'm told that I can't do something, my Irish blood comes through and I'll do whatever I can to prove otherwise. I'd be very interested in what all you fine musicians, and other listeners like me, have to say. Many thanks, Mary From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 13:30:21 2009 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (John Rennie) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:30:21 +0100 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Message-ID: Hi Mary, I've mailed the full text of the interview to you. I've sent it as plain text so hopefully your screen reader will be able to read it easily. It's a long interview! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary Sent: 01 April 2009 15:20 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends I have a favor to ask of you, on the forum. I'm having trouble finding all the content in the Steve Wilson article. I thought there was more to it, than what I read, and while talking to a friend, I found out I missed some of it. A friend who uses dial up service was going to edit the text together and send it to me. That didn't work out, he got thrown out of the site. Does anyone have a few minutes to help? With much appreciation, Mary From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 1 13:41:30 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:41:30 -0400 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), In-Reply-To: <200904011730.n31HUWF6017804@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hey, JR, Many thanks, I really enjoy reading interviews with musicians, especially those who are my favorites. Your friend, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of John Rennie Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:30 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi Mary, I've mailed the full text of the interview to you. I've sent it as plain text so hopefully your screen reader will be able to read it easily. It's a long interview! JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mary Sent: 01 April 2009 15:20 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), Hi friends I have a favor to ask of you, on the forum. I'm having trouble finding all the content in the Steve Wilson article. I thought there was more to it, than what I read, and while talking to a friend, I found out I missed some of it. A friend who uses dial up service was going to edit the text together and send it to me. That didn't work out, he got thrown out of the site. Does anyone have a few minutes to help? With much appreciation, Mary From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 1 12:20:56 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:20:56 -0500 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <67b1t4hgke0okamulc2tegnd8pgv1214vp@4ax.com> Message-ID: On 30 Mar 2009, at 06:33, Steve Pond wrote: > I think the subscription model exists because it's easier to > administer, imagine how many people there are on the planet listening > to media. Pay per listen/view is not practically possible on a large > scale yet. (The yet is the scary bit, when they have that amount of > personal control we're doomed) Oh, we're doomed anyway -- I just need to figure out how listen to as much music as possible before the axe falls .... ;) Subscription is surely easier to administer, and might work for the vast majority of casual listeners -- those who just let the hits float by on mainstream radio. Though for the rest of us ... well, I'd blow up my television except that I do like to watch the BBC news channel and every once in a while there's a good documentary somewhere. Films and series ... well, my schedule isn't organized enough to catch them on TV, so I usually just wait for the DVDs to become available. The picture quality is better anyway! So the problem with my TV subscription is that only a very small amount of what I actually want is available through it. Maybe other cable/satellite services have better stuff, but I'd have to changed around from subscription to subscription -- and they're probably not that different. Maybe to buy a package with one extra channel I wanted, I'd have to likewise accept a whole bunch of other channels I don't care about. And even the channel I wanted probably shows drivel most of the time, along with a few shows I would like. And, then, in any case if I move or the subscription provider goes bust or gets bought, or decides to reorganize its offerings, then all "my stuff" gets lost or changed or heaven knows what. So my fear with music subscription is, basically, that it will suck. I fear there will be various subscription services, with different stuff, and none will have everything I want. They'll go bust or I'll have to re-subscribe to something else for some reason, and "my music collection" will get blown away or be changed under my feet. Maybe someday this problem can be solved by a more pervasive and reliable internet and better systems (of storage, delivery, payment, etc.) ... but I think that day is still some ways off. Too far off for the music industry to sit on its collective arse waiting for it -- and definitely too far off for me to get enthused about a subscription service anytime soon. For the foreseeable future, I think music has to be sold as units, and if those units are not encoded on some kind of physical delivery media (be the medium vinyl or CDs or whatever) then it needs to be sold as files. I think that's the only way that one can reliably deliver the product to the customer so that the customer can use that product whenever they want. Still, I did like one of the general ideas I read in that James Love article that FOFP recommended. It suggested that everyone would have to pay a fee for massive P2P style music access, but that there could be an element of user choice in to whom you paid that fee. So, maybe you have to pay a fixed monthly fee for "access to everything" -- but perhaps you could directly decide to pay your favorite artists, or you could pay a particular collection agency that distributed the money to artists in some particular way: to retired blues musicians, or African jazz musicians, or to those musicians whose music was most downloaded, or to those musicians whose music was least downloaded :) or whatever. I kind of like this kind of model. It gives me access to piles of music and allows people to be compensated, but leaves some user choice in how that compensation was made. So, perhaps I might download 100 songs in a month -- probably I'm not that interested in most of them, and never listen again, but perhaps there's one band that I really liked. Well, I could send them my monthly fee. Perhaps next month another band might get the fee instead. Or I could divide the fee percentage-wise between all the artists in my iTunes library (or all the artists, depending on how often I played their song). Or perhaps I downloaded a bunch of songs, but really liked the 20% of songs all of which were from a bunch of bands in some new genre I'd just discovered. Well, I could pay the fee through an agency that supported that genre. That would be kinda cool. On the artist side -- well, still have to make songs that people liked, and probably associate myself with some collection agencies that would pay be for genre-based stuff, etc. I guess these agencies would end up being a bit like record labels, but they'd at least be coming to the user cap-in-hand ("please send us your fee this month"). That might force them to be a little nicer -- at least to the consumer! Doubtless there are some problems with the implementation there, but I like the concept, anyway. > I think eventually we will have a tiered pay per listen/subscription > model though, just like satellite TV now, you can choose to pay per > film, or if you watch a lot of films subscribe to everything. Though I never get pay-per-view films, since they're usually less convenient and lower quality than a DVD. And, if I like the film and expect to watch it a few more times in the course of my life, then the DVD works out cheaper, too. (Owning the film as a downloaded file or files would, as far as I'm concerned, be just as good as owning the DVD. Better maybe -- you could sell me the basic film cheap -- thereby, perhaps, making me more likely to give it a try -- and then sell me the commentaries and extras and stuff additionally, if I turned out to be a fanboy.) > There would still be nothing to stop bands selling "artifacts" direct > to fans, Though there could be, depending on how their contracts with the subscription services were framed! > but I think the days of raid fandom are over for anyone under > the age of 25. They have too much media squirted at them & have no > need to obsess like maybe we did... :o) ;) I dunno. People probably thought that we were being overwhelmed with media when television first went mainstream, too. And for another thing, did most people ever really have a need to obsess -- or is that just the people that we, who inhabit this obsessive list, knew? Surely most people just cruised along through life, letting those hits float by on the radio. They heard "Silver Machine" a few times in '72, and "Reaper" a few times in '76, and have never obsessed about anything. But, equally, for those who still have that obsessive streak, I just think the things of which one can become a fan are now much more diverse. People under 25 do still become rabid fans of, say, video game franchises -- ya know, ya gotta get the latest version of "Semi-Nude Vampiresses Defend the Post-Apocalyptic World from Giant Killer Alien Monsters"! (OK, not a great title, but a sure-fire hit game concept! :)). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 1 14:24:03 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:24:03 -0500 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <200904011021.n31ALIF6029539@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Here are a couple of interesting articles on the topic by one Mark F. Schultz (Southern Illinois University School of Law). One is "Live Performance, Copyright, and the Future of the Music Business": http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1337914 Which examines the notion that studio recordings should now be thought of as essentially advertising for live concerts and might as well essentially be given away for free; generally, Schultz finds that this is probably not a good idea (and that, basically, though this model might work well for some kinds of artists, if the music industry as a whole had to rely solely on concert revenue for income, then diversity and choice might well decrease even from what we have now). The other is "Fear and Norms and Rock & Roll: What Jambands Can Teach Us about Persuading People to Obey Copyright Law": http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=864624 It steps away from thinking directly about the technical aspects of business models and copyright schemes and examines the US-based "jam band" community through the lens of various sociological and psychological studies to try to understand how people's perceptions of situations and norms influence their behaviour with reference to file-sharing, respect for copyright, etc.. This approach actually provides an interesting counterpoint to the zillions of articles that examine "how will we sell music in the future?" by looking at "how do people relate -- or not -- to artists and music and how does that influence their behaviour and willingness to share or pay for different things" -- from which one might then draw practical conclusions about how to construct possible business models. It would make interesting reading for execs or artists who are wrestling with this issue. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From albert at CELLSUM.COM Wed Apr 1 23:20:38 2009 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Up-Tight] Family of Crawdaddy's Paul Williams needs help In-Reply-To: <970697.65055.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, Pearlman got me a few writing assignments from Paul. They were enthusiastic pieces but probably pretty poorly written. It was kind of him to publish me. It made my mom very proud. Sorry to hear about Paul's condition. Al On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:52 AM, gary shindler wrote: > A question to Albert Bouchard: One of the responses on the Paul > Nelson website says you wrote for Crawdaddy. Were they thinking of > Meltzer or Pearlman or did you write for Crawdaddy? > Gary > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Telstar > To: Up-tight at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:37:28 PM > Subject: [Up-Tight] Family of Crawdaddy's Paul Williams needs help > > > "Paul Williams, the legendary creator of Crawdaddy! Magazine, fell off > his bicycle in 1995 and suffered a traumatic brain injury, which has > led to early onset Alzheimer's. His family's having difficulties with > his care, and so a few of Paul's friend have set up a website both as > a tribute to his life and work and in order to make an appeal for > help. > Apart from being a true Founding Father of 'rock writing', and Philip > K. Dick's literary executor, Paul should be of special interest to > Boing Boing readers for his place at the crossroads where the science > fiction fanzines of the '50's gave rise to an empowered and self-aware > music-fan subculture -- and helped create what we now know as 'the > '60's'. For anyone with a curiosity about the formation of world- > changing subcultures through grassroots media, Paul was there when > blogging was a twinkle in a mimeograph eye." > > http://www.boingboi ng.net/2009/ 03/31/family- of-crawdaddys. html > > Al > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent ActivityVisit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > __,_._,___ > > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 1 23:45:30 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:45:30 -0500 Subject: Perfect Pitch, (better edited, (my apologies), In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01 Apr 2009, at 10:35 , Swartz, John A. wrote: > Yeah, I want to take lessons from these guys! :-) I'll sign up for drum lessons from Al1 :) Or would, were I appropriately local and if I had a drum kit. :) I suspect I've gone too far down my own idiosyncratic bass path to benefit from Joe's bass pointers -- I'm already ruined! BTW, is Joe still into the brewing thing? I could at least get a few ales off him. :D Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 2 06:53:21 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:53:21 +0100 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:20:56 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Apr 2 11:45:49 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:45:49 EDT Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2009 6:54:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: have done the Codex, nor read obsessively enough about credit bubbles to Message-ID: On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:22 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Yup, that's how I think it will go, with ISP's being charged something > like a Dollar per week per user to put funds into the pot. No doubt > there will somewhere be someone who never reads a book, listens to a > track, watches a movie or plays a game online and will whine that they > shouldn't have to pay, but they'll be ignored. For the rest of us, in > principle we'll be able to see any movie/track/game/book ever created > and I do think that will be an amazing thing. I'm not sure that I like the idea of levying taxes on the use of the Internet in order to pay for music. You might think that most people who use the Internet download music, but that's probably just a reflection of the people you know who use the Internet. The greatest resistance to broadband adoption in the US is not access but cost. A lot of people simply don't see the value in broadband and yet use the Internet daily via dial-up to access email. These people would be greatly disadvantaged by being forced into paying for your music downloads, not least because for many of them financial constraints are what caused them to evaluate their Internet access needs and settle on dial-up. You actually risk pushing poorer people off the Internet if you put such a tax in place. That might work for affluent champions of libertarianism but I would suggest that it isn't beneficial to our countries' positions in the global markets. If you tax use of the Internet for music, I can guarantee that you will follow that within a year with taxing the Internet for films, taxing the Internet for broadcast television, taxing the Internet for book publishing, taxing the Internet for radio. Before you know it, even the narcissistic blog authors are being paid for your ability to read or copy their blog. It's not a good solution. A slightly better solution would be to create a subscription model and allow people to purchase such a subscription. It makes it easier for somebody to be dishonest (have access to copyright material without subscribing) but like any other license fee it can be enforced and the naughty can be punished. I think that kind of service is more or less here already. But even that stinks if it fails to compensate artists based on how often their music is accessed. I would rather give money to musicians that I like rather than divvy it up among all musicians regardless of how much I enjoy their music or how talented they are. If you are a Hawkwind or BOC fan and pay for a subscription service that fails to account for per-download consumption, a larger portion of your money is going to bands you despise rather than bands you enjoy. Is that a good solution? At the moment, most of the pieces of a workable solution are there, but the continued existence of the old record companies is causing a distraction. As usual, the indies are getting the job done first and its quite likely that what is left of the "major labels" will come knocking at the door of the indie-fueled new media moguls to sell their catalogues in the future. Happily, they are going to be the big losers in this media publishing realignment, although while the power grab is being fought, its going to continue to be rough for consumers (and especially) artists. In other words, I think it will sort itself out ("market forces will prevail" to quote a certain haggard robot) without the need for new laws and new taxes that impede the growth of the Internet among the societally disadvantaged. But building an Internet industry body that removes peering to networks that undermine copyright would be a good step forward in dealing with sites that enable mass copyright infringement such as Pirate Bay. Gordon From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Apr 2 15:56:38 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:56:38 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Give it to me and Kosh, of course. Seriously, Bill, Good luck. Love ya, Mary P.S. Invest in rare Hawkwind vinyl -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In a message dated 4/2/2009 6:54:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: have done the Codex, nor read obsessively enough about credit bubbles to Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/apr/02/pirate-bay-music-piracy From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 2 17:09:14 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:09:14 -0700 Subject: Eugene Hutz Message-ID: Is it just me or does he look like Dave Brock? Certainly a party vibe present in Gogol Bordello's music. And Brock used to wear striped pants. Gary From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 2 17:19:27 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading fascism! In-Reply-To: <49D523EE.5000600@kalyr.com> Message-ID: On 2 Apr 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tim Hall wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/apr/02/pirate-bay-music-piracy When I first read about The Pirate Bay's IPREDator service[*] on The Register my first thought was "why would anyone pay 5 euros a month to subscribe to this?" I mean, it doesn't appear to offer anything new; just an attempt to piggyback on The Pirate Bay brand name. There are plenty of existing VPN anonymity subscription services. Secondly, it appears to turn the P2P approach entirely on its head by forcing all traffic through the VPN instead of... peer to peer. That's kind of dumb for a P2P application, or at the very least, not very scalable. (Unless they've done something clever in the way of being able to distribute the VPN on a massive scale, avoiding all the problems of trust a la rogue Tor nodes, etc.) Even assuming they did get it to scale, what is to stop the RIAA/MPAA/etc. simply having their Internet watchers subscribe themselves to continue monitoring inside? (The success of P2P systems hinges on the easy ability to locate peers with which to swap data, after all.) That's assuming, of course, ISPs don't just block access to the IPREDator VPN gateways... Cheers, Paul. [*] Is it just me, or does this appear to be a rather unfortunately- named service? It's easy to read it as iPredator: the online service for Internet stalkers, predators, child molesters, et al... :-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Apr 3 05:48:02 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:48:02 +0200 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading fascism! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400, Paul Mather wrote > Secondly, it appears to turn the P2P approach entirely on its head > by forcing all traffic through the VPN instead of... peer to peer. > That's kind of dumb for a P2P application, or at the very least, > not very scalable. You could, rather than just setting up a tcp connection for p2p exchange, build a VPN first, then set up the tcp connection through the VPN. Or the VPN could be used for client-server traffic only, then you'd only need one VPN. Not sure why you would do either, though. > [*] Is it just me, or does this appear to be a rather unfortunately- > named service? It's easy to read it as iPredator: the online > service for Internet stalkers, predators, child molesters, et al... > :-) No, you're right. This ain't the smartest of choices. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 07:19:47 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100 Subject: Cooledit pro Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Apr 3 07:26:23 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:26:23 +0100 Subject: Cooledit pro In-Reply-To: <200904031119.n33BJl0q002436@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? I like Goldwave, fast efficient.. easy to use.. www.goldwave.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 07:34:17 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:34:17 +0100 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: Stewartbas@AOL.COM's message of Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:45:49 EDT Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 3 07:35:46 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 04:35:46 -0700 Subject: Cooledit pro Message-ID: GoldWave. Once you get used to the differences between it and CoolEdit you might even find you like GildWave better. Steve -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes Date: Friday, Apr 3, 2009 7:22 am Subject: Cooledit pro To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET If anyone just happens to have an old cooledit disc lying around, I'd be interested in buying it. I got pretty used to using a (cracked) copy in the old days. It's been superseded now of course and old software is available online, but I'm very leery of downloading old software from the web because it'd obviously be easy to load such stuff with trojans. Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? Something as easy to learn as cooledit was would be nice. Ta. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 07:52:15 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:52:15 +0100 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:21:23 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Apr 3 08:20:14 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:20:14 -0500 Subject: Cooledit pro In-Reply-To: <200904031119.n33BJl0q002436@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Audacity. Free and Simple to use. From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Apr 3 08:20:10 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:20:10 +0200 Subject: Cooledit pro In-Reply-To: <200904031119.n33BJl0q002436@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? > Something as easy to learn as cooledit was would be nice. Audacity. It's open source (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/), so you'll have to download it. You can also buy their CD. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 3 09:20:03 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:20:03 -0700 Subject: Cooledit pro Message-ID: Ooooooooooo.... I may have to check that out myself. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rich W Date: Friday, Apr 3, 2009 8:22 am Subject: Re: Cooledit pro To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Audacity. Free and Simple to use. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 3 10:24:17 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:24:17 +0100 Subject: Cooledit pro and RFM sells out In-Reply-To: <200904031119.n33BJl0q002436@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Me too, yea Goldwave, yea yea...you can get a version free too I think, can't you? Real Festival Music Cd's are edited and compiled with Goldwave. Why don't you all buy loads of them to see what Goldwave sounds like? (cough!...guilt...cheapskate con man...etc) Seriously tho' we're redesigning the website and have almost finished the first two pages. Have a look tell us what you think of it so far. Comments would be most welcome. http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/ We've also "sold out" lol. If you want to investigate the new ads, we make a few pence. We can censor the ad's, in case any grossly unethical stuff turns up, so if you see any of that, say so and I'll destroy it with the Battalions of Judgement. Go on, go on, go on, aaaw go on then. Judge (sell-out) Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Pond" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:26 PM To: Subject: Re: Cooledit pro > On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100, you sent through the ether: > >>Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? > > > I like Goldwave, fast efficient.. easy to use.. www.goldwave.com > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 10:47:20 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:47:20 +0100 Subject: Coooledit success at last Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 3 15:34:50 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:34:50 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <200904031134.n33BYHU7003677@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Such cheery news, no surprises though. I don't think our votes mean much to the wider world run by a few corrupt individuals, and corporations. The mass discontent is so real I can feel it, and I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Hopefully, within my lifetime, there'll be another upswing in the economy, but I doubt it. I really hope I'm wrong. Bill, start buying those gold bars. For years I've been hearing about there being a lot more money on paper than what can be accounted for in reality. What a mess. I know, nothing new here. I want to be aware of what's happening, but when it involves things I can't change I filter it out, and a lot of the news is too disturbing. I'm not an ostrage, ignorance isn't usually bliss, it's stupid. I always learn a lot from reading your postings. Many thanks. Mary Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:34 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! Stewartbas at AOL.COM writes: > Mike ain't lying. I recall a conversation I had with him, in some danky gin > mill, deep in the bowels of NYC, probably a decade ago, and he did predict the > current financial crisis. What should I do with the remainder of the not > so vast Stewart fortune, Mike? And don't say put it in the mattress, I'm > sleeping on the floor :( . Gold, though if deflation gets severe, it'll be necessary to bail from that too. Cash should do OK. Corporate bond funds should outperform equities on average during the bear market, though individual corporations will be hit by bankruptcies through not being able to roll over debt, or through chain defaults. > Predictions? Manufacturing and retail are going to be hit hard this year. The housing bust will continue in 2009 and 2010. It *might* finish in 2011 or 2012. The US will be hit by trouble on Alt-A and Option-ARM mortgages over the next couple of years. Meanwhile the banks are now gonna get hit by bad car loans and bad credit card loans, and the asset-backs and CDO's they built on those the way they did on mortgages. The problem there was that the credit card companies kept the proportion of bad loans down by growing the business faster than the loans grew bad. In a debt-deflation, they won't be able to do that, and so the ratio of bad loans is gonna rocket. As with mortgage-back CDO's, there's effectively a trigger point in that ratio where the CDO's themselves become functionally worthless. Lather, rinse and repeat for the credit crunch... > Sorry to read they smashed up the Bank of Scotland yesterday, > but hey, a little revolution is a good thing----No? The best thing to do would have been to let 'em all go under. It'd hurt more, but we'd get through the mess quicker. The pols are bailing out the bankers the way Japan did in 1989 when their bubble burst. They're still not through their mess. Basically it's been decided that instead of a 5 year depression, we'll have a 20 year recession. It'd have been nice to at least have a vote on that. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 3 16:05:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:05:07 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <200904031152.n33BqFol005327@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FOFP wrote, " the company you subscribe to may not give access to all that you want." Either that, or you get too much useless information. If I could order 10 stations through cable TV that really interest me, for a reasonable price, rather than a hundred for an outrageous price I might consider it. When value is placed on information that's dangerous, at best. Information is power. Learning is empowerment. It concerns me that musicians I love to listen to seem to be losing out, whether it be through the record companies, or consumers copying their material, which even I do. That doesn't make it ethically right. This thread has been very informative. The whole system of distributing music over the net should have been thought out thoroughly, a long time ago. Humans tend to be lazy, and if we can find an easy way to get what we want many of us will do it. If there were a line of folks jumping off a bridge, maybe I'd ask them if they wanted a bit of help over the edge. You can't stop lemmings. Your postings, and this thread, in general has been very informative. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:52 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! Gordon Hundley writes: > On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:22 PM, M Holmes wrote: > I'm not sure that I like the idea of levying taxes on the use of the > Internet in order to pay for music. Not just music, but TV, movies, games, and eventually books. > You might think that most people > who use the Internet download music, but that's probably just a > reflection of the people you know who use the Internet. The greatest > resistance to broadband adoption in the US is not access but cost. A > lot of people simply don't see the value in broadband and yet use the > Internet daily via dial-up to access email. These people would be > greatly disadvantaged by being forced into paying for your music > downloads, not least because for many of them financial constraints > are what caused them to evaluate their Internet access needs and > settle on dial-up. You actually risk pushing poorer people off the > Internet if you put such a tax in place. Possibly. On the other hand my police friends visit a hearty sample of the homes of poorer families every week. Seems they always have giant TVs and games consoles for the kids. Tech stuff clearly isn't where the poverty lies. It also indicates they watch a lot of TV and so would likely be interested in that aspect of things. > That might work for affluent > champions of libertarianism ????? I'm advocating communism here. > but I would suggest that it isn't beneficial to our countries' > positions in the global markets. Hard to say. It depends on what model is used to disburse funds. To the extent our fortunes depend on prosecuting customers, we're not gonna do well in the long run anyway. > If you tax use of the Internet for music, I can guarantee that you > will follow that within a year with taxing the Internet for films, > taxing the Internet for broadcast television, taxing the Internet for > book publishing, taxing the Internet for radio. That's the whole point: a Dollar a week for all of it. > Before you know it, > even the narcissistic blog authors are being paid for your ability to > read or copy their blog. Perhaps. > It's not a good solution. A slightly better solution would be to > create a subscription model and allow people to purchase such a > subscription. Perhaps, but such a model eats more in admin costs. The subscription models we have so far are very balkanised - the company you subscribe to may not give access to all that you want. That could be fixed though. > It makes it easier for somebody to be dishonest (have > access to copyright material without subscribing) but like any other > license fee it can be enforced and the naughty can be punished. The problem is that to have a deterrent effect, the punishments have to be unpalatable. There are just too many people transgressing. > I think that kind of service is more or less here already. As are users being bankrupted in hard cases prosecutions. That's what we need to get away from. > But even that stinks if it fails to compensate artists based on how > often their music is accessed. Did you read the articles I referenced? Both based their systems around monitoring and ampling of downloads. Cheers FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Apr 4 12:44:09 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:44:09 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & Stewkey of NAZZ: recap & songlist for 4/3/09 Message-ID: Hi Friends, Many thanks to all who helped me celebrate my birthday. It was a very good show, with good sound, and a very long list of songs. We played three sets. I also tried my first shot of Goldshlager, and rather liked it...Cheers! Mike songlist: Who do you love? You shook Me London Rocker Matchbox Not fade away Worried man blues (I'm not your ) Steppin Stone Spinning Wheel blues Hey Joe Sloop John B The Last Time Lazy Poker blues The Red Rooster Waiting for the Man> Ejection Railroad Bill Smokestack Lightning Wildwood blues King Bee Hard Travellin Hang on Sloopy Summertime blues ( excerpt ) Hurry On Sundown lineup: Mike Burro: guitars & vocals Stewkey : vocals and harp _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Apr 4 15:44:41 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:44:41 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & Stewkey of NAZZ: recap & songlist for 4/3/09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: encore/request was: I got my mojo workin From: sloterdijk at msn.com To: boc-l at listserv.ispnetinc.net; cratylus7 at msn.com; dparis23 at aol.com; greg.elwell at gmail.com; hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk; jregen7243 at yahoo.com; darma60 at yahoo.com; soulventrus at yahoo.com; maw at uppingham.co.uk; nexus at panix.com; sloterdijk at msn.com; ss7713 at comcast.net; spacerockers at yahoogroups.com; toddrundgren-groknrollutopia at yahoogroups.com Subject: Mike Burro & Stewkey of NAZZ: recap & songlist for 4/3/09 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:44:09 +0000 Hi Friends, Many thanks to all who helped me celebrate my birthday. It was a very good show, with good sound, and a very long list of songs. We played three sets. I also tried my first shot of Goldshlager, and rather liked it...Cheers! Mike songlist: Who do you love? You shook Me London Rocker Matchbox Not fade away Worried man blues (I'm not your ) Steppin Stone Spinning Wheel blues Hey Joe Sloop John B The Last Time Lazy Poker blues The Red Rooster Waiting for the Man> Ejection Railroad Bill Smokestack Lightning Wildwood blues King Bee Hard Travellin Hang on Sloopy Summertime blues ( excerpt ) Hurry On Sundown lineup: Mike Burro: guitars & vocals Stewkey : vocals and harp Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 07:38:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:38:27 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion Message-ID: Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this forum concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind of genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many of you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least where CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my ability to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, I sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ I said "where's the CDS?" he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in England this guy was so good he said vinyl is back in a BIG way Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors are buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality argument still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is out of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find out......trust me on this one so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL hahahaha muhahaha ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out uselss faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Apr 5 15:15:50 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:15:50 +0000 Subject: Off - Trippy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is cool....... http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf Just let it load and then watch - 'welcome to chaos!' Cheers, Mick From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 16:28:59 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:28:59 -0500 Subject: (OFF)Re: Mike Burro & Stewkey of NAZZ: recap & songlist for 4/3/09 Message-ID: My friend Pierre who coined the somewhat valid (for us) term "Hawkwind, the only band that matters", was with me yesterday, and in an incident rare a sharks teeth, he bought one of about 3 other things that matter to him.....a deluxe 3LP set of the Nazz records..... so is Robert Antoni still worthy of his title and proud of it!! :)!! On 4/4/09, Burro Mike wrote: > > encore/request was: > > > > I got my mojo workin > > > > > > From: sloterdijk at msn.com > To: boc-l at listserv.ispnetinc.net; cratylus7 at msn.com; dparis23 at aol.com; > greg.elwell at gmail.com; hawkwind at yahoogroups.com; headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk; > jregen7243 at yahoo.com; darma60 at yahoo.com; soulventrus at yahoo.com; > maw at uppingham.co.uk; nexus at panix.com; sloterdijk at msn.com; > ss7713 at comcast.net; spacerockers at yahoogroups.com; > toddrundgren-groknrollutopia at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Mike Burro & Stewkey of NAZZ: recap & songlist for 4/3/09 > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:44:09 +0000 > > > > Hi Friends, > Many thanks to all who helped me celebrate my birthday. > It was a very good show, with good sound, and a very long list of songs. We > played three sets. I also tried my first shot of Goldshlager, and rather > liked it...Cheers! Mike > > songlist: > > Who do you love? > You shook Me > London Rocker > Matchbox > Not fade away > Worried man blues > (I'm not your ) Steppin Stone > Spinning Wheel blues > Hey Joe > Sloop John B > The Last Time > Lazy Poker blues > The Red Rooster > Waiting for the Man> Ejection > Railroad Bill > Smokestack Lightning > Wildwood blues > King Bee > Hard Travellin > Hang on Sloopy > Summertime blues ( excerpt ) > Hurry On Sundown > > lineup: > Mike Burro: guitars & vocals > Stewkey : vocals and harp > > > > > Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet > Explorer 8. Download FREE now! > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 17:09:44 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:09:44 +0100 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "he said vinyl is back in a BIG way" Well' you'll all be wanting History Re-written by Atomgod then... Featuring me on rhythm guitar/lead vocals Algy Ward (damned, tank) on bass Steve Clark (fastway) drums Bill Leisegang (nina hagen band) lead guitar I've got a few, unplayed, new. Offers? Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM To: Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" > after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this > forum > concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind > of > genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many of > you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... > I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... > I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least > where > CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my > ability > to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, I > sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... > While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" > and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ > I said "where's the CDS?" > he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home > we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in > England this guy was so good > he said vinyl is back in a BIG way > Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be > competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors are > buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently > handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality argument > still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win > watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is > out > of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find > out......trust me on this one > so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the > future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL > hahahaha muhahaha > ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out uselss > faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 17:15:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:15:55 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: played it last night. Thanks I need a good re-awakwning from this pretty things CD- that's up next then...You better keep the mintest one for me or I'll get you moderated for posing as a musician and whining On 4/5/09, trev wrote: > > "he said vinyl is back in a BIG way" > > Well' you'll all be wanting History Re-written by Atomgod then... > Featuring me on rhythm guitar/lead vocals > Algy Ward (damned, tank) on bass > Steve Clark (fastway) drums > Bill Leisegang (nina hagen band) lead guitar > > I've got a few, unplayed, new. > > Offers? > > Trev > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM > To: > Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > > Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" >> after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this >> forum >> concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind >> of >> genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many of >> you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... >> I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... >> I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least >> where >> CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my >> ability >> to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, I >> sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... >> While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" >> and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ >> I said "where's the CDS?" >> he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home >> we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in >> England this guy was so good >> he said vinyl is back in a BIG way >> Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be >> competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors are >> buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently >> handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality argument >> still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win >> watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is >> out >> of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find >> out......trust me on this one >> so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the >> future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL >> hahahaha muhahaha >> ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out uselss >> faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 18:02:57 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:02:57 +0100 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: they're all mint the best track is China (death will come from) -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:15 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > played it last night. Thanks I need a good re-awakwning from this pretty > things CD- that's up next then...You better keep the mintest one for me or > I'll get you moderated for posing as a musician and whining > > On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >> >> "he said vinyl is back in a BIG way" >> >> Well' you'll all be wanting History Re-written by Atomgod then... >> Featuring me on rhythm guitar/lead vocals >> Algy Ward (damned, tank) on bass >> Steve Clark (fastway) drums >> Bill Leisegang (nina hagen band) lead guitar >> >> I've got a few, unplayed, new. >> >> Offers? >> >> Trev >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM >> To: >> Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion >> >> Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" >>> after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this >>> forum >>> concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind >>> of >>> genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many >>> of >>> you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... >>> I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... >>> I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least >>> where >>> CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my >>> ability >>> to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, >>> I >>> sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... >>> While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" >>> and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ >>> I said "where's the CDS?" >>> he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home >>> we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in >>> England this guy was so good >>> he said vinyl is back in a BIG way >>> Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be >>> competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors >>> are >>> buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently >>> handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality >>> argument >>> still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win >>> watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is >>> out >>> of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find >>> out......trust me on this one >>> so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the >>> future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL >>> hahahaha muhahaha >>> ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out >>> uselss >>> faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them >>> >>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 18:12:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:12:37 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and I love that that (track) is my least favorite, so that means it's all good I've wanted that LP from you for lo and 20 score now c'mon, sell me mine through the dingy back door out for a chimney of smokes til then Mike and Bun Bun the Stinkin' Space Poo, and Occasionally The Space Herpy On 4/5/09, trev wrote: > > they're all mint > > the best track is China (death will come from) > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:15 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > > > played it last night. Thanks I need a good re-awakwning from this pretty >> things CD- that's up next then...You better keep the mintest one for me or >> I'll get you moderated for posing as a musician and whining >> >> On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> "he said vinyl is back in a BIG way" >>> >>> Well' you'll all be wanting History Re-written by Atomgod then... >>> Featuring me on rhythm guitar/lead vocals >>> Algy Ward (damned, tank) on bass >>> Steve Clark (fastway) drums >>> Bill Leisegang (nina hagen band) lead guitar >>> >>> I've got a few, unplayed, new. >>> >>> Offers? >>> >>> Trev >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mike coleman" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion >>> >>> Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" >>> >>>> after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this >>>> forum >>>> concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind >>>> of >>>> genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many >>>> of >>>> you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... >>>> I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... >>>> I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least >>>> where >>>> CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my >>>> ability >>>> to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, >>>> I >>>> sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... >>>> While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" >>>> and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ >>>> I said "where's the CDS?" >>>> he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home >>>> we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in >>>> England this guy was so good >>>> he said vinyl is back in a BIG way >>>> Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be >>>> competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors >>>> are >>>> buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently >>>> handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality >>>> argument >>>> still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win >>>> watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is >>>> out >>>> of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find >>>> out......trust me on this one >>>> so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the >>>> future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL >>>> hahahaha muhahaha >>>> ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out >>>> uselss >>>> faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them >>>> >>>> >>>> >> From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Apr 5 18:37:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:37:07 -0400 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry to hear about the CDs at your favorite store. bummer. I hope some of the kids are starting to notice how nice a mint vinyl copy sounds, or is it going to be bought primarily by us older young people. (Don't call me old either, M.C. since I qualify for the young people's support group I am going to check out, this week, maybe tomorrow). I'll try programming up a hypnotic dream for motivation, if I manage to get any sleep after today. Love, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of trev Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:10 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion "he said vinyl is back in a BIG way" Well' you'll all be wanting History Re-written by Atomgod then... Featuring me on rhythm guitar/lead vocals Algy Ward (damned, tank) on bass Steve Clark (fastway) drums Bill Leisegang (nina hagen band) lead guitar I've got a few, unplayed, new. Offers? Trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:38 PM To: Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > Again, as Steve Pond said to me YEARS AGO, "Life Is Grand" > after all the confusing and largely incomprehensible threading on this > forum > concerning the future of music, where it becomes apparent that some kind > of > genius runs rapant here, and my maker denied me that kind that so many of > you forum brothers (and the occasional sister) posses...... > I literally walked straight into the twilight zone yesterday...... > I went to my old secret shop....likely the very best in Texas at least > where > CDS were concerned, and when drug use and personal greed overtook my > ability > to properly supply some very demanding Hawkwind collectors their goods, I > sent a few select customers to him.....you know who ya are..... > While there I thought something seemed, well "wrong" > and he asked me if I noticed anything different........ > I said "where's the CDS?" > he said...they are all gone... sold them and payed off my home > we are talking about a merchant who had Hawkwind CDS before the shops in > England this guy was so good > he said vinyl is back in a BIG way > Now I realise online retailers like Amazon likely made it too hard to be > competitive, but apparently people who want to remain music collectors are > buying vinyl in truckloads, and the new heavier pressings can apparently > handle scratches much better and I was hearing the sound quality argument > still exists and supposedly vinyl can still win > watch out for an act called ZONE 6......awesome, not sure if the band is > out > of Germany but the label is, apologies I"ve forgotten it, but will find > out......trust me on this one > so, in summary, and realizing this is not the future of music, but the > future of music OWNERSHIP, IS VINYL > hahahaha muhahaha > ps-my CDRS that wre made in 2002 and further back, are rotting out uselss > faster and by the day now,.......CDRS are shit, at least many of them > From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 21:31:17 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:31:17 -0400 Subject: Off - Trippy In-Reply-To: <506614.83086.qm@web86207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeow!!! Best thing in months... On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mick Crook wrote: > This is cool....... > > > http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf > > Just let it load and then watch - 'welcome to chaos!' > > Cheers, > > Mick > > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 5 23:33:22 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:33:22 +0800 Subject: Cooledit pro and RFM sells out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks good except that the free Mp3 tab button to Free Sceensavers. Oh well! Jonathan 2009/4/3 trev > Me too, yea Goldwave, yea yea...you can get a version free too I think, > can't you? > > Real Festival Music Cd's are edited and compiled with Goldwave. > > Why don't you all buy loads of them to see what Goldwave sounds like? > (cough!...guilt...cheapskate con man...etc) > > Seriously tho' we're redesigning the website and have almost finished the > first two pages. > Have a look tell us what you think of it so far. Comments would be most > welcome. > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/ > > We've also "sold out" lol. If you want to investigate the new ads, we make > a few pence. > > We can censor the ad's, in case any grossly unethical stuff turns up, so if > you see any of that, say so and I'll destroy it with the Battalions of > Judgement. > > Go on, go on, go on, aaaw go on then. > > Judge (sell-out) Trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Steve Pond" > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Cooledit pro > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100, you sent through the ether: >> >> Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? >>> >> >> >> I like Goldwave, fast efficient.. easy to use.. www.goldwave.com >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 06:21:39 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:21:39 +0100 Subject: Cooledit pro and RFM sells out In-Reply-To: <200904031119.n33BJl0q002436@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> <39dabad60904052033g66159c35rda9208939e33365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes there are bits like that still under construction (the webmaster is a crusty) did you click on any ads? i make 8p per click but don't do too many or they will suss 4 or 5 will do ??????? trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Smith" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:33 AM To: Subject: Re: Cooledit pro and RFM sells out > It looks good except that the free Mp3 tab button to Free Sceensavers. Oh > well! > > Jonathan > > 2009/4/3 trev > >> Me too, yea Goldwave, yea yea...you can get a version free too I think, >> can't you? >> >> Real Festival Music Cd's are edited and compiled with Goldwave. >> >> Why don't you all buy loads of them to see what Goldwave sounds like? >> (cough!...guilt...cheapskate con man...etc) >> >> Seriously tho' we're redesigning the website and have almost finished the >> first two pages. >> Have a look tell us what you think of it so far. Comments would be most >> welcome. >> http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/ >> >> We've also "sold out" lol. If you want to investigate the new ads, we >> make >> a few pence. >> >> We can censor the ad's, in case any grossly unethical stuff turns up, so >> if >> you see any of that, say so and I'll destroy it with the Battalions of >> Judgement. >> >> Go on, go on, go on, aaaw go on then. >> >> Judge (sell-out) Trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Steve Pond" >> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:26 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Cooledit pro >> >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:19:47 +0100, you sent through the ether: >>> >>> Otherwise, what would folks suggest for editing MP3 and Wav files? >>>> >>> >>> >>> I like Goldwave, fast efficient.. easy to use.. www.goldwave.com >>> >>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 08:32:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:32:42 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/5/09, mary wrote: > > Sorry to hear about the CDs at your favorite store. bummer. I hope some > of > the kids are starting to notice how nice a mint vinyl copy sounds, No Mary, you got it wrong...I too buy my CDS online, because I refuse to own a tonka toy with a motor, and the ease of shopping online...we went there to buy vinyl, and we did.....I now own a silver and a gold edition of the simply vinyl In Search Of Space, which means I am invincible,,,,,,as for kids, thinking about them makes me angry, unless they were adopted, as it reminds me of parental selfishness and the overstrain of earth resources, not to mention the global warming ghastly effect here in dallas, but they are smart, and many will buy vinyl......I am currently negotiating with the Chinese and Indian governments to get clearance for the Pope to go high into the Himalayan no-man's land peaks on a pilgrimage to speak with the aliens at their base there about sexual abstinence and the refrain from condom use as penance and for his behavior lately and a nice dose of humble pie From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 08:50:07 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:50:07 -0500 Subject: Off - Trippy In-Reply-To: <506614.83086.qm@web86207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I tried my best, but on this old computer it seemed like I waited an hour and it was seemingly getting stuck at about 70 percent On 4/5/09, Mick Crook wrote: > > This is cool....... > > > http://zoomquilt2.madmindworx.com/zoomquilt2.swf > > Just let it load and then watch - 'welcome to chaos!' > > Cheers, > > Mick > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 09:03:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:03:31 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/5/09, trev wrote: > > they're all mint No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 6 11:41:33 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:41:33 -0400 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904060532n5bc991a9qed69fb27a8283f08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I didn't get anything wrong, and am glad you got so much cool vinyl. I think it's a shame that the CD stores are closing too. Even if I didn't buy many albums, or discs, I always liked to talk music with the people who worked their, and shop around. That's rare, I loath shopping. In time you'll get that primo turn table, I wouldn't settle for less either, so enjoy the looks of the albums, and the sounds from the discs. You just don't get my style. Love, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:33 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion On 4/5/09, mary wrote: > > Sorry to hear about the CDs at your favorite store. bummer. I hope some > of > the kids are starting to notice how nice a mint vinyl copy sounds, No Mary, you got it wrong...I too buy my CDS online, because I refuse to own a tonka toy with a motor, and the ease of shopping online...we went there to buy vinyl, and we did.....I now own a silver and a gold edition of the simply vinyl In Search Of Space, which means I am invincible,,,,,,as for kids, thinking about them makes me angry, unless they were adopted, as it reminds me of parental selfishness and the overstrain of earth resources, not to mention the global warming ghastly effect here in dallas, but they are smart, and many will buy vinyl......I am currently negotiating with the Chinese and Indian governments to get clearance for the Pope to go high into the Himalayan no-man's land peaks on a pilgrimage to speak with the aliens at their base there about sexual abstinence and the refrain from condom use as penance and for his behavior lately and a nice dose of humble pie From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 11:53:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:53:37 -0500 Subject: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am ahead of you (Darla Daytime) I hit Pierre up to help me get a table and it was a yes I don't know that (CD-music) shops are closing, just that this one has specialized also, blast you, I discovered the DVD player he gave me works fine so long as I do not shuffle the tracks which is very frustrsating since the sound is better but my alien overseers often know much better than the artist or compilationateer as to what order the songs should be heard, after having heard the original order so many times I am hearing the next track before it begins....nevermind that synchronicity the past couple days has played the exact track I wanted to hear first so I'll be playing both formats very soon and always LP gazing you have style?? On 4/6/09, mary wrote: > > I didn't get anything wrong, and am glad you got so much cool vinyl. I > think it's a shame that the CD stores are closing too. Even if I didn't > buy > many albums, or discs, I always liked to talk music with the people who > worked their, and shop around. That's rare, I loath shopping. > In time you'll get that primo turn table, I wouldn't settle for less > either, > so enjoy the looks of the albums, and the sounds from the discs. > You just don't get my style. > > Love, > > Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:33 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > > On 4/5/09, mary wrote: > > > > Sorry to hear about the CDs at your favorite store. bummer. I hope some > > of > > the kids are starting to notice how nice a mint vinyl copy sounds, > > > No Mary, you got it wrong...I too buy my CDS online, because I refuse to > own > a tonka toy with a motor, and the ease of shopping online...we went there > to > buy vinyl, and we did.....I now own a silver and a gold edition of the > simply vinyl In Search Of Space, which means I am invincible,,,,,,as for > kids, thinking about them makes me angry, unless they were adopted, as it > reminds me of parental selfishness and the overstrain of earth resources, > not to mention the global warming ghastly effect here in dallas, but they > are smart, and many will buy vinyl......I am currently negotiating with the > Chinese and Indian governments to get clearance for the Pope to go high > into > the Himalayan no-man's land peaks on a pilgrimage to speak with the aliens > at their base there about sexual abstinence and the refrain from condom use > as penance and for his behavior lately and a nice dose of humble pie > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 11:55:55 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:55:55 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: never even been handled individually (most of them), except in a pile just looked at them...ok they're not mint. where they have been stacked, some of the cover printing has been rubbed off on three edges, apart from that, mint, unopened. no dog-ears. anything else?...tex have they been in close proximity to persons of the underclass, and therefore might be tainted with sin...yes! do i need to buy proper lp mailing jackets?...yes where can i get them cheap? dunno! what do you mean by a paper vein? you're getting nothing unless i sell some i've got ten...willing to sell 6 LET THE BIDDING COMMENCE! (he says with ill-deserved optimism) ...and unless i manage to get the inner city hawks vid done, i might not give you anything anyway, just out of frustration...ha ha ha ha ha ha ...and even if i did want to send you one, i probably couldn't ...because i have grave doubts whether you would be able to work out the address of where you live he he he he he he he WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal then was to play death metal and the like. honest judge trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >> >> they're all mint > > > > > No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector > > > I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I > need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper > veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 12:07:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:07:38 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sending you a box I think I've almost made up my mind that I want your best auto done in blue but now I have to go through the 1 LP lessened WOW LP stacks and make the difficult decision on which to allow you to defile I want the best one with your lyric book and promo sheet left alone Play more metal, it's good for the heart and bloodflow ps-my Atomgod LP was stone mint in every way.....break out the cheesecloth and get buffing pss-how can I buy anything if I can't skim off the top of the ICH NTSC vid???? On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > > never even been handled individually (most of them), except in a pile > > just looked at them...ok they're not mint. > where they have been stacked, some of the cover printing has been rubbed > off on three edges, apart from that, mint, unopened. no dog-ears. > anything else?...tex > > have they been in close proximity to persons of the underclass, and > therefore might be tainted with sin...yes! > > do i need to buy proper lp mailing jackets?...yes > where can i get them cheap? dunno! > > what do you mean by a paper vein? > > you're getting nothing unless i sell some > > i've got ten...willing to sell 6 > > LET THE BIDDING COMMENCE! (he says with ill-deserved optimism) > > ...and unless i manage to get the inner city hawks vid done, i might not > give you anything anyway, just out of frustration...ha ha ha ha ha ha > > ...and even if i did want to send you one, i probably couldn't ...because i > have grave doubts whether you would be able to work out the address of where > you live he he he he he he he > > WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once and > didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal > then was to play death metal and the like. > > honest judge trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > > On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> they're all mint >>> >> >> >> >> >> No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector >> >> >> I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I >> need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper >> veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 12:18:50 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:18:50 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060907s2c5a0651y17150b559b6f07f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: there will be no ich ntsc unless sales enquiries justify the extra hassle, which they won't it'll probably never see the light of day anyway, even tho' i've already bought the dvdr's and cases, and designed the cover and ad's great eh?????????? what lyric book? -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:07 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > I'm sending you a box I think > I've almost made up my mind that I want your best auto done in blue but > now > I have to go through the 1 LP lessened WOW LP stacks and make the > difficult > decision on which to allow you to defile > I want the best one with your lyric book and promo sheet left alone > Play more metal, it's good for the heart and bloodflow > ps-my Atomgod LP was stone mint in every way.....break out the cheesecloth > and get buffing > pss-how can I buy anything if I can't skim off the top of the ICH NTSC > vid???? > > On 4/6/09, trev wrote: >> >> never even been handled individually (most of them), except in a pile >> >> just looked at them...ok they're not mint. >> where they have been stacked, some of the cover printing has been rubbed >> off on three edges, apart from that, mint, unopened. no dog-ears. >> anything else?...tex >> >> have they been in close proximity to persons of the underclass, and >> therefore might be tainted with sin...yes! >> >> do i need to buy proper lp mailing jackets?...yes >> where can i get them cheap? dunno! >> >> what do you mean by a paper vein? >> >> you're getting nothing unless i sell some >> >> i've got ten...willing to sell 6 >> >> LET THE BIDDING COMMENCE! (he says with ill-deserved optimism) >> >> ...and unless i manage to get the inner city hawks vid done, i might not >> give you anything anyway, just out of frustration...ha ha ha ha ha ha >> >> ...and even if i did want to send you one, i probably couldn't ...because >> i >> have grave doubts whether you would be able to work out the address of >> where >> you live he he he he he he he >> >> WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once >> and >> didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal >> then was to play death metal and the like. >> >> honest judge trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual >> confusion >> >> On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> they're all mint >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector >>> >>> >>> I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I >>> need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper >>> veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best >>> >>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 12:33:22 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:33:22 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > there will be no ich ntsc unless sales enquiries justify the extra hassle, > which they won't > it'll probably never see the light of day anyway, even tho' i've already > bought the dvdr's and cases, and designed the cover and ad's > great eh?????????? > > what lyric book? Remember, when I finallly get that guitar (god made me spell it wrong in a previous post as way of keeping me honest), that when the Mike Coleman's Delta-Wave Experience hits the stage, and I open up with some Eric Johnson heavily distorted and bent tune, I will be using the sacred gray plectrum of all things future........ not to mention Ed Leedskalnin's (universe secret) numbers on my sneakers...... that's why my WOIW LP has not just any lyric book in it, it has YOURS paper veins on LP jackets are flaws that look like when you used to tie up your neck real tight in order to shoot dope in it they look just like your veins From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 14:43:43 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:43:43 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060907s2c5a0651y17150b559b6f07f7@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060933s251bd948pf24af2fe10dd1f24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ew...! -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:33 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > >> there will be no ich ntsc unless sales enquiries justify the extra >> hassle, >> which they won't >> it'll probably never see the light of day anyway, even tho' i've already >> bought the dvdr's and cases, and designed the cover and ad's >> great eh?????????? >> >> what lyric book? > > > Remember, when I finallly get that guitar (god made me spell it wrong in a > previous post as way of keeping me honest), that when the Mike Coleman's > Delta-Wave Experience hits the stage, and I open up with some Eric Johnson > heavily distorted and bent tune, I will be using the sacred gray plectrum > of > all things future........ > not to mention Ed Leedskalnin's (universe secret) numbers on my > sneakers...... > that's why my WOIW LP has not just any lyric book in it, it has YOURS > paper veins on LP jackets are flaws that look like when you used to tie up > your neck real tight in order to shoot dope in it > they look just like your veins > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 14:54:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:54:55 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sorry, but folks after the pic he sent the drummer had me thinking about that what the hell was on your drummers neck?? did he get kitlash or what?? I just put in the Atomgod cd but i must go do my daily food scrounge will you PLEASE break up that LP set some time this year and peel me off a copy?? how many years have you been doing that quantiy thing to me?>? also, apologies Mary, re the style comment but you'll have to lose the 200 pounds of hair into a home-made pillow if you want me to ever take you out to eat.....that'll be costly and no more calling me a vinyl poseur....is that proper yourapeein spellin? On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > > ew...! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:33 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > On 4/6/09, trev wrote: >> >> there will be no ich ntsc unless sales enquiries justify the extra hassle, >>> which they won't >>> it'll probably never see the light of day anyway, even tho' i've already >>> bought the dvdr's and cases, and designed the cover and ad's >>> great eh?????????? >>> >>> what lyric book? >>> >> >> >> Remember, when I finallly get that guitar (god made me spell it wrong in a >> previous post as way of keeping me honest), that when the Mike Coleman's >> Delta-Wave Experience hits the stage, and I open up with some Eric Johnson >> heavily distorted and bent tune, I will be using the sacred gray plectrum >> of >> all things future........ >> not to mention Ed Leedskalnin's (universe secret) numbers on my >> sneakers...... >> that's why my WOIW LP has not just any lyric book in it, it has YOURS >> paper veins on LP jackets are flaws that look like when you used to tie up >> your neck real tight in order to shoot dope in it >> they look just like your veins >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 16:32:41 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:32:41 +0100 Subject: Judge Trev on Cosmic Puffin bill In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060907s2c5a0651y17150b559b6f07f7@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060933s251bd948pf24af2fe10dd1f24@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904061154o83b81ean1c9b13679912bb22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Judge Trev, the legendary Inner City Unit guitarist, has now been added to the bill of the Cosmic Puffin festival, Essex, this week-end. http://www.cosmicpuffin.co.uk He will be playing with his acoustic duo Trev and Kev, opening Sunday's events. Trev and Kev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/trevandkev Judge Trev MySpace http://www.myspace.com/judgetrev Inner City Unit Myspace http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit Judge Trev: http://www.judgetrev.com AND THE BEAST WAS CAST ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF BURNING FIRE AND THE REST OF THEM WERE SLAIN BY THE ONE UPON THE WHITE HORSE AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 6 22:16:46 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:16:46 -0400 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:55 AM, trev wrote: > WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out > once and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to > get a rec deal then was to play death metal and the like. I thought the metal band was Atomkraft, not Atomgod??? Cheers, Paul. :-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 6 22:59:22 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:59:22 -0400 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: <1LkgcL-24dJSa0@fwd01.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: You know at one time I would have said that I couldn't accept a recording below a certain sound quality. After all, I'm in it for the music, so I have to be able to hear it... And yet. What I've found in managing to download torrents of some older show is that when the performance is good enough, that theory goes out the window. For example, a recording of the Stonehenge free festival 1981 that I managed to pull down a torrent of. The recording is bloody awful, tinny and distorted, but the performance was really inspired - I was transfixed listening to it, and my brain just started auto-correcting for the deficiencies of the recording... So, does anyone have an opinion on the notion of us converging on a torrent server (with an appropriately ethical trading policy that follows the band's guidelines) and starting to share some of these older shows? Steve On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Hi Steve > > Sound quality or the gig itself ?? > > > Bernhard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:37 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: best fan recorded shows > > So I tried asking about torrents, to a resounding silence... ?I figured > since Hawkwind have explicitly ok'ed electronic distribution of the old > "tape tree" live recordings, it would have made torrent less of a dirty word > by now... > > So, let me try asking more generally: ?What are the best fan recorded shows > to look out for? ?I know some of you out there know this stuff... > > Steve > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Tue Apr 7 01:41:25 2009 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:41:25 +0100 Subject: best fan recorded shows Message-ID: hi steve, i'm all up for that. i tried using dimeadozen but its so complicated ( to me anyway ) would love to see lots more shows upped for everyone to enjoy, i have 100's to share, jp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Swann" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:59 AM Subject: Re: best fan recorded shows You know at one time I would have said that I couldn't accept a recording below a certain sound quality. After all, I'm in it for the music, so I have to be able to hear it... And yet. What I've found in managing to download torrents of some older show is that when the performance is good enough, that theory goes out the window. For example, a recording of the Stonehenge free festival 1981 that I managed to pull down a torrent of. The recording is bloody awful, tinny and distorted, but the performance was really inspired - I was transfixed listening to it, and my brain just started auto-correcting for the deficiencies of the recording... So, does anyone have an opinion on the notion of us converging on a torrent server (with an appropriately ethical trading policy that follows the band's guidelines) and starting to share some of these older shows? Steve On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Hi Steve > > Sound quality or the gig itself ?? > > > Bernhard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:37 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: best fan recorded shows > > So I tried asking about torrents, to a resounding silence... I figured > since Hawkwind have explicitly ok'ed electronic distribution of the old > "tape tree" live recordings, it would have made torrent less of a dirty > word > by now... > > So, let me try asking more generally: What are the best fan recorded shows > to look out for? I know some of you out there know this stuff... > > Steve > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 02:15:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:15:58 -0500 Subject: Judge Trev on Cosmic Puffin bill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > > Judge Trev, the legendary Inner City Unit guitarist, has now been added to > the bill of the Cosmic Puffin festival, Essex, this week-end. Can Lori sew?? can she sew _real fast_?? has she not left you yet?? do you have any friends???, if so I recommend you get your garb underway now, but at least make SURE you have a Witchiepoo, as this will propel you to an Atomgods CD release link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._Puffinstuff From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 7 08:36:15 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:36:15 +0100 Subject: HW, OFF: Spaceseed cd with Bridget Wishart and Harvey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 03:04:44PM -0400, Lost Johnny typed out: > Spaceseed has a brand new cd "Twilight" just out with Bridget Wishart and > Harvey Bainbridge on it. That's excellent news, given how much slightly over-the-top fun the previous Spaceseed and Bainbridge collaboration was. I'm slightly less joyful about Bridget's involvement--her reemergence onto the music scene seems to have been more of the `Black Elk Speaks' standard than the _California Brainstorm_ `Reefer Madness' standard alas--but there's no doubt that she and Harvey are currently second and third most productive Hawks and ex-Hawks is there? First place of course to Mr Davey who has not only had an album out every year (from different bands!) since 2006 but looks steady to have two more out this year! Blimey. And while I'm not so keen on Bridget's forays into electronica the idea of her singing Arabic on an EP with Alan's backing actually works quite well I think... Also, Davey-House collaboration can surely only be good, right? (Did *anyone* ever hear the Jellymasters album Simon supposedly did with Adrian Shaw?) (Gleaned almost all of this from Alan's webpages at aladavey.co.uk, in case it's news to the readers.) It's almost enough to create optimism about spacerock, isn't it? Roll on new Litmus album too! Yours, Jon ObCD: Farflung - _A Wound in Eternity_ (I wish they were working at Alan's rate...) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Apr 7 08:55:26 2009 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Mr H) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:55:26 -0400 Subject: HW, OFF: Spaceseed cd with Bridget Wishart and Harvey Message-ID: It's rather good, although I share your reservations re. Wishart. I've also just taken delivery of a box of shrink-wrapped copies direct from America, so if anyone in the UK wants one for ?8.99 including postage, drop me an email off list and I'll sort you out with one. Regards, SAH From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 7 09:18:47 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:18:47 -0500 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07 Apr 2009, at 00:41 , john-paul wrote: > i tried using dimeadozen but its so complicated ( to me anyway ) Yeah, I found dimeadozen quite "user surly". I'd download a show and keep it available for torrenting from my machine, but then no one would stream it from me, and so my ratio would suck, and then I couldn't download anything else! I tried uploading a show or two as well, but some things had tracks that had been released on some obscure compilation that I'd never heard of (which usually takes some doing!) and so the torrent would get yanked, or I would successfully upload a clean show, but then my ratio again would barely break 1.0. So I've kind of given up on dimeadozen. Hell, they managed to make bittorrenting _harder_ for me than ordering a CD, which is not easily done! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 7 09:20:25 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:20:25 -0500 Subject: HW, OFF: Spaceseed cd with Bridget Wishart and Harvey In-Reply-To: <20090407123615.GB11791@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 07 Apr 2009, at 07:36 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > her reemergence onto the music > scene seems to have been more of the `Black Elk Speaks' standard than > the _California Brainstorm_ `Reefer Madness' standard alas Well, that's may be in part because the songwriters for "Reefer Madness" are not currently available to her! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 10:01:36 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:01:36 -0700 Subject: best fan recorded shows Message-ID: I'm not advocating Dime necessarily. Although the required ratio is now only 0.25 btw. :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Tuesday, Apr 7, 2009 9:21 am Subject: Re: best fan recorded shows To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 07 Apr 2009, at 00:41 , john-paul wrote: i tried using dimeadozen but its so complicated ( to me anyway ) Yeah, I found dimeadozen quite "user surly". I'd download a show and keep it available for torrenting from my machine, but then no one would stream it from me, and so my ratio would suck, and then I couldn't download anything else! I tried uploading a show or two as well, but some things had tracks that had been released on some obscure compilation that I'd never heard of (which usually takes some doing!) and so the torrent would get yanked, or I would successfully upload a clean show, but then my ratio again would barely break 1.0. So I've kind of given up on dimeadozen. Hell, they managed to make bittorrenting _harder_ for me than ordering a CD, which is not easily done! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 7 10:22:46 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:22:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" Message-ID: Somehow this escaped my notice until now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kwhNo9sf4&feature=related There are a few other video versions of this performance, with variously dodgy hand-held phone-camera work :) or the ever annoying I- stuck-this-audio-on-YouTube-with-naught-but-a-static-logo-as- a-"video" thing. The performance is not not as menacing as the BOC original, IMO, but it's a solid effort -- and it's nice to see Metallica doing another shout-out for BOC. Cheers, Carl, who once he figures out the proper piano lines for Astronomy will record a pompously overblown goth-metal cover version :) ps - while looking at that, I also found a cover by the Finnish band Tarot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h68ykMB_k-Q&feature=related -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 7 10:35:40 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:35:40 -0500 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: <3321943295.55845733@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 07 Apr 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Swann wrote: > I'm not advocating Dime necessarily. Although the required ratio > is now only 0.25 btw. :) Hmm, if my account still exists, I should check whether my ratio is currently higher or lower than that! :) I have successfully bittorrented Hawkwind shows that moved over or were otherwise posted to Pirate Bay, and generally try to stream them for as long as possible with my admittedly limited disk space Checking my current ratio, it's about 1.81, which ain't too embarrassing for a casual torrenter of live shows from (let's face it) a slightly obscure band! I just always had bad luck with Dime torrents for some reason! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Apr 7 10:55:34 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:55:34 +0200 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:35:40 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > On 07 Apr 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Swann wrote: > > I'm not advocating Dime necessarily. Although the required ratio > > is now only 0.25 btw. :) > > Hmm, if my account still exists, I should check whether my ratio is > currently higher or lower than that! :) I think they've got a grim account eaper in action. I had to make a new account (under the old username), when my torrent computer was idle for some time due to a hard disk crash. Now I'm struggling to get my ratio from 0.24 to 0.25 ;-( You might want to check out Zomb Torrents (www.the-zomb.com). No grim reaper there, and your starting ratio has to be 0.10, which is far easier to achieve than 0.25. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 11:32:03 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:32:03 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Never heard of Atomkraft...so how many copies shall i put you down for?...cough! lol trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Mather" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:16 AM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:55 AM, trev wrote: > >> WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once >> and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec >> deal then was to play death metal and the like. > > > I thought the metal band was Atomkraft, not Atomgod??? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > :-) > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 12:28:14 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:28:14 -0700 Subject: best fan recorded shows Message-ID: I recently torrented a gigantic collection of Tragically Hip bootlegs and so far over the course of 2 or 3 weeks it has been shared out at a ratio of something like 30 to 1. If only that was sourced through Dime I'd never need to worry about my ratio again. :) As it is I ended up having to bump my Dime ratio by downloading and sharing a Yes live boot that I really don't care that much about, but which is apparently much in demand.... It is kind of a nuisance that sharing Hawkwind wouldn't accomplish that, but if enough of us showed up, maybe then it would.... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Tuesday, Apr 7, 2009 10:38 am Subject: Re: best fan recorded shows To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 07 Apr 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Swann wrote: I'm not advocating Dime necessarily. Although the required ratio is now only 0.25 btw. :) Hmm, if my account still exists, I should check whether my ratio is currently higher or lower than that! :) I have successfully bittorrented Hawkwind shows that moved over or were otherwise posted to Pirate Bay, and generally try to stream them for as long as possible with my admittedly limited disk space Checking my current ratio, it's about 1.81, which ain't too embarrassing for a casual torrenter of live shows from (let's face it) a slightly obscure band! I just always had bad luck with Dime torrents for some reason! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Apr 7 12:32:13 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:32:13 -0400 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: <3321952092.56029693@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: Since we're on the topic, Besides "Live in the West", what are the best fan recorded Blue Oyster Cult shows? On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:28:14 -0700, Steve Swann wrote: > I recently torrented a gigantic collection of Tragically Hip bootlegs and > so far over the course of 2 or 3 weeks it has been shared out at a ratio of > something like 30 to 1. If only that was sourced through Dime I'd never > need to worry about my ratio again. :) As it is I ended up having to bump > my Dime ratio by downloading and sharing a Yes live boot that I really > don't care that much about, but which is apparently much in demand.... It > is kind of a nuisance that sharing Hawkwind wouldn't accomplish that, but > if enough of us showed up, maybe then it would.... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Date: Tuesday, Apr 7, 2009 10:38 am > Subject: Re: best fan recorded shows > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 07 Apr 2009, at 09:01 , Steve Swann wrote: > I'm not advocating Dime necessarily. Although the required ratio > is now only 0.25 btw. :) > > > Hmm, if my account still exists, I should check whether my ratio is > currently higher or lower than that! :) > > I have successfully bittorrented Hawkwind shows that moved over or > were otherwise posted to Pirate Bay, and generally try to stream them > for as long as possible with my admittedly limited disk space > Checking my current ratio, it's about 1.81, which ain't too > embarrassing for a casual torrenter of live shows from (let's face > it) a slightly obscure band! > > I just always had bad luck with Dime torrents for some reason! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 13:20:13 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:20:13 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you saying these babys are SEALED?? you brits didn't do a lot of that though and I don't see how there could be rubbing unless you mean the shrink is rubbed Mine better have the merch flyer also, Trev, this is definitley a worthy LP that fans of yours should take a razor balde and cut a slit on their arm as a reminder of self-loathing and to remember to buy one, but I don't think this is much of an auction item can't you just price them and make a small spot where your carpet still looks new or a place without dust on a shelf?? If they are factory sealedI want one *NOW* On 4/6/09, trev wrote: > > never even been handled individually (most of them), except in a pile > > just looked at them...ok they're not mint. > where they have been stacked, some of the cover printing has been rubbed > off on three edges, apart from that, mint, unopened. no dog-ears. > anything else?...tex > > have they been in close proximity to persons of the underclass, and > therefore might be tainted with sin...yes! > > do i need to buy proper lp mailing jackets?...yes > where can i get them cheap? dunno! > > what do you mean by a paper vein? > > you're getting nothing unless i sell some > > i've got ten...willing to sell 6 > > LET THE BIDDING COMMENCE! (he says with ill-deserved optimism) > > ...and unless i manage to get the inner city hawks vid done, i might not > give you anything anyway, just out of frustration...ha ha ha ha ha ha > > ...and even if i did want to send you one, i probably couldn't ...because i > have grave doubts whether you would be able to work out the address of where > you live he he he he he he he > > WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once and > didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal > then was to play death metal and the like. > > honest judge trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > > On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> they're all mint >>> >> >> >> >> >> No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector >> >> >> I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I >> need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper >> veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 15:38:05 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:38:05 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904071020s4a32516epbd2a5848f5b7315d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: no not sealed algy ward from the damned is on it... just shut up now no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok happy now trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:20 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > Are you saying these babys are SEALED?? you brits didn't do a lot of that > though and I don't see how there could be rubbing unless you mean the > shrink > is rubbed > Mine better have the merch flyer > also, Trev, this is definitley a worthy LP that fans of yours should take > a > razor balde and cut a slit on their arm as a reminder of self-loathing and > to remember to buy one, but I don't think this is much of an auction item > can't you just price them and make a small spot where your carpet still > looks new or a place without dust on a shelf?? > If they are factory sealedI want one *NOW* > > On 4/6/09, trev wrote: >> >> never even been handled individually (most of them), except in a pile >> >> just looked at them...ok they're not mint. >> where they have been stacked, some of the cover printing has been rubbed >> off on three edges, apart from that, mint, unopened. no dog-ears. >> anything else?...tex >> >> have they been in close proximity to persons of the underclass, and >> therefore might be tainted with sin...yes! >> >> do i need to buy proper lp mailing jackets?...yes >> where can i get them cheap? dunno! >> >> what do you mean by a paper vein? >> >> you're getting nothing unless i sell some >> >> i've got ten...willing to sell 6 >> >> LET THE BIDDING COMMENCE! (he says with ill-deserved optimism) >> >> ...and unless i manage to get the inner city hawks vid done, i might not >> give you anything anyway, just out of frustration...ha ha ha ha ha ha >> >> ...and even if i did want to send you one, i probably couldn't ...because >> i >> have grave doubts whether you would be able to work out the address of >> where >> you live he he he he he he he >> >> WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once >> and >> didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal >> then was to play death metal and the like. >> >> honest judge trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: if you download music, your pirating pre-teen sexual >> confusion >> >> On 4/5/09, trev wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> they're all mint >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No Trev, you don't understand because you are not a collector >>> >>> >>> I know the vinyl is all mint, but the jackets are a much bigger deal...I >>> need you to inspect all the covers and weed out corner dings, and paper >>> veins, just any imoperfections and give me the best >>> >>> > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 7 15:43:25 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:25 EDT Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion Message-ID: In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok correct From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 16:13:13 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:13:13 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But aren't you measuring this in boffin??? I may be zero at times but you'll have sold one nevertheless email me private if your tightened fist unclenches and I'll figure a means On 4/7/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, > judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok > > > > correct > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 6 22:56:20 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:56:20 +0000 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: __________ Trev sold out! (not at gigs, but with deathmetal!) ________________________________ From: Paul Mather To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009 4:16:46 Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:55 AM, trev wrote: > WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec deal then was to play death metal and the like. I thought the metal band was Atomkraft, not Atomgod??? Cheers, Paul. :-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 16:38:07 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:38:07 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: but, algy ward algy ward!!! at least tex coleman will get nothing ever again...that's some solace t -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:43 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > > In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, > judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok > > > > correct > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 16:39:27 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:39:27 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904071313j10f151faw7bd1db0291e83a17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: no everything out in the open -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > But aren't you measuring this in boffin??? > I may be zero at times but you'll have sold one nevertheless > email me private if your tightened fist unclenches and I'll figure a means > > > On 4/7/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, >> judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >> >> no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok >> >> >> >> correct >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 16:44:50 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:44:50 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <952507.33229.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes i sold out, just to see what it was like now, despite them all gagging for my good looks and wanting me at the cosmic puffin fest ...i can't play there because i can't get there because fatso kev ellis would rather take his stupid rave boxes than me... ...thus cancelling the gig. but i will prevail i'm making another acoustic album...and he's not on it ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha i'll have to use some of the god and man tracks (no one bought that either) and record new stuff. trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:56 AM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > __________ > Trev sold out! (not at gigs, but with deathmetal!) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Mather > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009 4:16:46 > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:55 AM, trev wrote: > >> WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once >> and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec >> deal then was to play death metal and the like. > > > I thought the metal band was Atomkraft, not Atomgod??? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > :-) > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > > > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 08:50:49 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:50:49 +0100 Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904071313j10f151faw7bd1db0291e83a17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes yes, now I realize... the product value rockets I can see you all through glazed eyes, tex Coleman at the front, perched on withered branches, waiting, taking the odd exploratory peck, the desert sun glinting horribly through his ragged feathers as his hooked beak slavers over my wonderful entrails...sob...scream...despair... trevy wevy -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > But aren't you measuring this in boffin??? > I may be zero at times but you'll have sold one nevertheless > email me private if your tightened fist unclenches and I'll figure a means > > > On 4/7/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, >> judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >> >> no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok >> >> >> >> correct >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 08:59:22 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:59:22 -0500 Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hold on, I'll go ahead and send the post I wrote a few minutes ago and saved.....I have been in bed since you socked me in the face happy?? On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > > yes yes, now I realize... > > the product value rockets > > I can see you all through glazed eyes, tex Coleman at the front, perched on > withered branches, waiting, taking the odd exploratory peck, > the desert sun glinting horribly through his ragged feathers as his hooked > beak slavers over my wonderful entrails...sob...scream...despair... > > trevy wevy > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > But aren't you measuring this in boffin??? >> I may be zero at times but you'll have sold one nevertheless >> email me private if your tightened fist unclenches and I'll figure a means >> >> >> On 4/7/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, >>> judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >>> >>> no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok >>> >>> >>> >>> correct >>> >>> >> From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 09:00:34 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:00:34 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: \ On 4/7/09, trev wrote: > > but, algy ward algy ward!!! > > at least tex coleman will get nothing ever again...that's some solace Ok...I've slept and slept and slept now,and nothing is any clearer...... My entire diet yesterday consisted of pancakes so that I might get a tiny bit ahead financially to possibly buy a record from you (or somewhere else, like another Hawkwind album) that nobody cares about except me, (and) I could likely find 27 copies in the next few minutes, and you punch me in the face??? which of my representations are you hateful about now.........It did occur to me the record might be worth something in the metal cirlces which I know nothing about anymore From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 11:33:41 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:33:41 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating a plant pot In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904080600i1c516c7cidb85728d541dc8e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: until i'm dead, the record is worth something as a plant pot...you put it in boiling water and fold up the sides. hey presto, a plant pot complete with drainage hole LET THE AUCTION COMMENCE! 6 fine hand-made plant pots @ $1 each with algy ward's name on wholesale enquiries welcome trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:00 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > \ > On 4/7/09, trev wrote: >> >> but, algy ward algy ward!!! >> >> at least tex coleman will get nothing ever again...that's some solace > > > Ok...I've slept and slept and slept now,and nothing is any clearer...... > My entire diet yesterday consisted of pancakes so that I might get a tiny > bit ahead financially to possibly buy a record from you (or somewhere > else, > like another Hawkwind album) that nobody cares about except me, (and) I > could likely find 27 copies in the next few minutes, and you punch me in > the > face??? > which of my representations are you hateful about now.........It did occur > to me the record might be worth something in the metal cirlces which I > know > nothing about anymore > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Apr 8 11:34:43 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:34:43 +0000 Subject: still looking for one more band to do 3 act bill: Hamilton NJ 5/8 Message-ID: Greetings friends, I am still looking for one additional band to do a 3 act bill with me in Hamilton , New Jersey on Friday, May 8th ( Muthas Day Weekend show). Below you'll see some technical information about the venue ( Hamilton Lanes ). You must be 18+ to enter and 21 to drink. There will be $7.00 cover charge at the door, and each band will receive 3 dollars of every 7 they bring in. THIS MEANS THAT PEOPLE AT THE DOOR ARE ASKED WHICH BAND THEY CAME TO SEE, AND WILL RESPOND BY MENTIONING YOUR NAME. A TALLY WILL BE KEPT FOR EACH BAND. THE TOTAL FOR ALL BANDS WILL NOT BE DIVIDED AMONG ALL THE PERFORMERS. YOU WILL RECEIVE 3 DOLLARS FOR EVERY PERSON THAT COMES SPECIFICALLY TO SEE YOUR BAND, SO THE MORE PEOPLE YOU BRING, THE MORE YOU MAKE. This IS NOT MY POLICY, BUT IS THE POLICY OF THE BOOKING AGENCY ( Capital City concerts ) and the Venue. Here is the relevant information: If you are interested in one of these slots, please email at BOTH this myspace page http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 ( Sloterdijk ) and also at: Sloterdijk at msn.com Please respond ASAP and also only if you will really be able to do the gig Cheers! Mike Burro Hamilton Lanes Lounge 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ (609) 585-2400 http://myspace.com/Hamiltonlanes 40 min sets/15 min changeovers 10pm-close Mike Burro and Friends $7 cover/Bands get $3 a head 18+ Show Bands must bring all equipment. This includes drums, amps, guitars etc.. We have full concert PA and Soundman Please Load in at 9:00pm. Please load in through front door outside in the parking lot. Bands can park anywhere. Capital City Concerts http://www.capitalcityconcerts.com Booking: *Finnigans, East Windsor, NJ ^Trocadero Balcony Theatre, Philly, PA *Maritas Cantina, New Brunswick, NJ ^JB's Showcase, Morrisville,PA *Hamilton Lanes, Hamilton, NJ *Denotes house booking agent _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 11:36:02 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:36:02 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904080600i1c516c7cidb85728d541dc8e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." all of them trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:00 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > \ > On 4/7/09, trev wrote: >> >> but, algy ward algy ward!!! >> >> at least tex coleman will get nothing ever again...that's some solace > > > Ok...I've slept and slept and slept now,and nothing is any clearer...... > My entire diet yesterday consisted of pancakes so that I might get a tiny > bit ahead financially to possibly buy a record from you (or somewhere > else, > like another Hawkwind album) that nobody cares about except me, (and) I > could likely find 27 copies in the next few minutes, and you punch me in > the > face??? > which of my representations are you hateful about now.........It did occur > to me the record might be worth something in the metal cirlces which I > know > nothing about anymore > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 12:39:14 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:39:14 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > > "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." > > all of them > > trev I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely suck, and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly home.... so I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and the easist answer From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 8 13:07:53 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:07:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" In-Reply-To: <4F27C2ED-68D3-45D9-B616-25FD8BD882A2@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 07 Apr 2009, at 09:22 , Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Carl, who once he figures out the proper piano lines for Astronomy > will record a pompously overblown goth-metal cover version :) Actually, I've found this bizarre idea so enticing that I've started sketching out an arrangement in GarageBand. :) It's heavily built on the Imaginos arrangement (easier to metalify, IMO, Metallica's cover not withstanding), but with bits of the Secret Treaties version tucked here and there. I forge ahead despite having to kind of fudge the piano lines as best I can -- and having to program them all with the mouse, not having an actual keyboard on hand! Have to see how it turns out (assuming I bludgeon it into some kind of listenable state :) .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 14:58:06 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:58:06 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating Cosmic Puffin Festival In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <952507.33229.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, it's on again. I will be playing at Cosmic Puffin because I've got a lift now weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:44 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > yes i sold out, just to see what it was like > > now, despite them all gagging for my good looks and wanting me at the > cosmic puffin fest > ...i can't play there because i can't get there because fatso kev ellis > would rather take his stupid rave boxes than me... > ...thus cancelling the gig. > but i will prevail > > i'm making another acoustic album...and he's not on it ha ha ha ha ha ha > ha ha > > i'll have to use some of the god and man tracks (no one bought that > either) and record new stuff. > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:56 AM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > >> __________ >> Trev sold out! (not at gigs, but with deathmetal!) >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Paul Mather >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009 4:16:46 >> Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual >> confusion >> >> On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:55 AM, trev wrote: >> >>> WARNING: the music is death metal, not space rock. i tried it out once >>> and didn't like it...(it's too hard to play). the only way to get a rec >>> deal then was to play death metal and the like. >> >> >> I thought the metal band was Atomkraft, not Atomgod??? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> >> :-) >> >> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> >> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> >> >> >> >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:02:45 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:02:45 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904080600i1c516c7cidb85728d541dc8e9@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904080939u4e1d61d0qd1a3d53dbee2e08e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called "The Lysergic Parables" -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: >> >> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >> >> all of them >> >> trev > > > I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting > annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no > further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put > something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely > suck, > and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly > home.... > so > I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and > the > easist answer > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:13:52 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:13:52 -0500 Subject: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom make a violent spectacle of yourself..... On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called > "The Lysergic Parables" > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >>> >>> all of them >>> >>> trev >>> >> >> >> I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting >> annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no >> further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put >> something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely >> suck, >> and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly >> home.... >> so >> I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and >> the >> easist answer >> >> From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:35:16 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:35:16 -0700 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) Message-ID: Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to each other instead of using the list? Thanks much guys. Steve -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom make a violent spectacle of yourself..... On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called "The Lysergic Parables" > -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > >> >> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >> >> all of them >> >> trev >> > > > I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting > annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no > further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put > something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely > suck, > and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly > home.... > so > I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and > the > easist answer > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:42:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:42:27 -0500 Subject: a serious HW vinyl question for my forum seniors Message-ID: Could one of you kind souls tell me if the second USA Doremi LP pressing is really a later pressing or if it is simply a changed continuation of the first with the silver foil removed also, has anybody by chance got any copies of the USA 1st LP and Warrior with really nice condition covers but maybe worn records they would part with in trade or sale"?? thank you Mike the bandwidth hog it'll lbe better when Trev's dead From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:46:48 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:46:48 -0500 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <3322049716.57306769@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes, of course....may I squeeze in that Larry Wallis in reality will not speak to me, I think to do with Fee, I layed it on too thick serious apologies annoyance Steve my pillls should be kicking in soon and the mania toned down embarrassed, but I know your not jabbing me peace On 4/8/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could > you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to > each other instead of using the list? > > Thanks much guys. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just > like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks like > Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and I think > Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects > Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom > make a violent spectacle of yourself..... > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > > > Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called > "The Lysergic Parables" > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > > > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > > > >> > >> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." > >> > >> all of them > >> > >> trev > >> > > > > > > I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting > > annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no > > further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put > > something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely > > suck, > > and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly > > home.... > > so > > I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and > > the > > easist answer > > > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 8 15:50:19 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:50:19 -0400 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7 Apr 2009, at 11:32 AM, trev wrote: > Never heard of Atomkraft...so how many copies shall i put you down > for?...cough! One... assuming you're going to throw in a free turntable, too, so I can play it! Cheers, Paul. PS: Does it feature real Cookie Monster vocals????? e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 16:12:10 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:12:10 +0100 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <3322049716.57306769@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: no..it's all hawkwind related -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:35 PM To: Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) > Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could > you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to > each other instead of using the list? > > Thanks much guys. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just > like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks > like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and > I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects > Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom > make a violent spectacle of yourself..... > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > >> Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called > "The Lysergic Parables" > >> > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > >> On 4/8/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >>> >>> all of them >>> >>> trev >>> >> >> >> I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting >> annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no >> further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put >> something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely >> suck, >> and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly >> home.... >> so >> I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and >> the >> easist answer >> >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 16:13:52 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:13:52 +0100 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904050438p374c37a2v5a83d64ba6fefbd1@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904051415t21ce5e42r983f23b0d90d07f8@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904060603rc8e5c36w22fac0dfbf45be3a@mail.gmail.com> <78EEC4D4-A05D-410D-9164-8BA353302778@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: ok, send the money first -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Mather" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:50 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion > On 7 Apr 2009, at 11:32 AM, trev wrote: > >> Never heard of Atomkraft...so how many copies shall i put you down >> for?...cough! > > One... assuming you're going to throw in a free turntable, too, so I can > play it! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Does it feature real Cookie Monster vocals????? > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 17:06:45 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:06:45 -0700 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) Message-ID: Trev, I know that you live suspended in a giant vat of liquified Hawkwind musical ectoplasm, and that your every word coerces the very aether into the Platonic Hawkwind forms. Forgive me. :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: trev Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET no..it's all hawkwind related -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:35 PM To: Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) > Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to each other instead of using the list? > Thanks much guys. > Steve > -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom make a violent spectacle of yourself..... On 4/8/09, trev wrote: >> Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called "The Lysergic Parables" >> -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM To: Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion >> On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > >> >> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >> >> all of them >> >> trev >> > > > I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting > annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no > further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put > something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely > suck, > and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly > home.... > so > I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and > the > easist answer > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 18:16:13 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:16:13 +0100 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <3322055204.57640346@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: oops, i just found out that you started this list ..sorry, i thought erm...something else anyway, it's a full moon here lol you see, mike forces me to say everything i say...he just writes me what i have to say, word for word and i have to...every post i've ever made...don't want to...but must...must i've tried to kill him, but he keeps his front door locked at night. help me someone trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) > Trev, I know that you live suspended in a giant vat of liquified Hawkwind > musical ectoplasm, and that your every word coerces the very aether into > the Platonic Hawkwind forms. Forgive me. :) > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: trev > Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 4:15 pm > Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to > be killed) > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > no..it's all hawkwind related > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Steve Swann" > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:35 PM > To: > Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be > killed) > >> Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could > you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to > each other instead of using the list? > >> Thanks much guys. > >> Steve > >> -----Original Message----- > From: mike coleman > Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just > like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks > like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and > I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects > Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom > make a violent spectacle of yourself..... > On 4/8/09, trev wrote: > >>> Well I am going to make another album soon, in Italy. It will be called > "The Lysergic Parables" > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:39 PM > To: > Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual > confusion > >>> On 4/8/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> "which of my representations are you hateful about now........." >>> >>> all of them >>> >>> trev >>> >> >> >> I was thinking, this music thing taxing my wallet is getting >> annoying.......While I realise there is a possibility that you will be no >> further trouble, there is a small chance that you might actually put >> something else out, and then I'd buy it out of habit, it would surely >> suck, >> and then more precious space would be taken up in my humble but godly >> home.... >> so >> I'm going to kill you......it'sthe obvious path of least resistance and >> the >> easist answer >> >> > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 8 18:56:10 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:56:10 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading fascism! In-Reply-To: <20090403094727.M40059@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: On 3 Apr 2009, at 5:48 AM, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400, Paul Mather wrote > >> Secondly, it appears to turn the P2P approach entirely on its head >> by forcing all traffic through the VPN instead of... peer to peer. >> That's kind of dumb for a P2P application, or at the very least, >> not very scalable. > > You could, rather than just setting up a tcp connection for p2p > exchange, > build a VPN first, then set up the tcp connection through the VPN. Actually, what you're suggesting above is to have peers make encrypted connections to each other (which isn't quite the same as routing traffic through a VPN). Lots of BitTorrent clients already support this. > Or the VPN could be used for client-server traffic only, then you'd > only need > one VPN. Lots of trackers support encrypted connections, too (including The Pirate Bay); again, not quite the same as a VPN. > Not sure why you would do either, though. They are quite handy for defeating BitTorrent traffic shaping, which is why those BitTorrent extensions arose in the first place. Unfortunately, for popular/notorious sites, you can still block access to the tracker based upon its well-known address, and can still do traffic shaping by snooping data from unencrypted tracker connections and then blocking (even encrypted) client connections. But, like I said before, I don't know what they think a VPN will buy them. Sure, it will hide *all* traffic tunnelled through it (as well as defeating the advantages of P2P). However, to circumvent this, all you need to do is subscribe to the VPN and then you're "inside" and able to monitor again. Also, because of fewer, clearly-defined endpoints for the VPN, it makes it easier to traffic shape everything passing through it. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 8 19:05:42 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:05:42 -0400 Subject: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Apr 2009, at 4:13 PM, trev wrote: > ok, send the money first Do you accept Kazakhstan Tenge or Venezuelan Bolivar in lieu of pounds sterling? Keep calm and carry on! Cheers, Paul. "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET Wed Apr 8 19:48:37 2009 From: busterpepper at MIDWAYNET.NET (Lost Johnny) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:48:37 -0400 Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:50:49 +0100, trev wrote: >yes yes, now I realize... > >the product value rockets > >I can see you all through glazed eyes, tex Coleman at the front, perched on >withered branches, waiting, taking the odd exploratory peck, >the desert sun glinting horribly through his ragged feathers as his hooked >beak slavers over my wonderful entrails...sob...scream...despair... > >trevy wevy > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "mike coleman" >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM >To: >Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your pirating pre-teen sexual >confusion > > But aren't you measuring this in boffin??? >> I may be zero at times but you'll have sold one nevertheless >> email me private if your tightened fist unclenches and I'll figure a means >> >> >> On 4/7/09, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 07/04/2009 20:39:01 GMT Standard Time, >>> judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >>> >>> no one wants any ok ok ok ok ok >>> >>> >>> >>> correct >>> >>> >>> >>>Trev put me down with Mike for that Atomgod vinyl too . You know that >>>during Mike's Deltawave days, I always thought he was running the >>> "Atomgods fan club of America".........Larry From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Apr 8 20:27:00 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:27:00 EDT Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/2009 8:51:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:56:10 -0400, Paul Mather wrote > On 3 Apr 2009, at 5:48 AM, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400, Paul Mather wrote > > > >> Secondly, it appears to turn the P2P approach entirely on its head > >> by forcing all traffic through the VPN instead of... peer to peer. > >> That's kind of dumb for a P2P application, or at the very least, > >> not very scalable. > > > > You could, rather than just setting up a tcp connection for p2p > > exchange, > > build a VPN first, then set up the tcp connection through the VPN. > > Actually, what you're suggesting above is to have peers make > encrypted connections to each other (which isn't quite the same as > routing traffic through a VPN). Lots of BitTorrent clients already > support this. No, that's not what I mean. I'm talking about using IPSec, and sending AH, or ESP traffic rather than TCP or UDP. > > Or the VPN could be used for client-server traffic only, then you'd > > only need > > one VPN. > > Lots of trackers support encrypted connections, too (including The > Pirate Bay); again, not quite the same as a VPN. Again, that's not what I mean. > > Not sure why you would do either, though. > > They are quite handy for defeating BitTorrent traffic shaping, which > is why those BitTorrent extensions arose in the first place. Using port 80 on your client probably would also do (unless your ISP doesn't allow you to run webservers at home). > Unfortunately, for popular/notorious sites, you can still block > access to the tracker based upon its well-known address, and can > still do traffic shaping by snooping data from unencrypted tracker > connections and then blocking (even encrypted) client connections. Then the next step will be distributed infrastructure, like DNS servers and trackers. But that's too close to the botnet model to feel comfortable, I must admit. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Apr 9 04:04:13 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:04:13 +0200 Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:27:00 EDT, Stewartbas wrote > In a message dated 4/8/2009 8:51:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > This is the sign we've been waiting for!!!!-----Coleman is our LEADER! > Trev is the prophet Not sure where this will lead us to, though..... From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 9 07:16:43 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:16:43 -0500 Subject: You're all waiting 'til I'm dead In-Reply-To: <20090409080325.M60285@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: On 4/9/09, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:27:00 EDT, Stewartbas wrote > > In a message dated 4/8/2009 8:51:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > > > > > This is the sign we've been waiting for!!!!-----Coleman is our LEADER! > > Trev is the prophet > > Not sure where this will lead us to, though..... Alright, BOCL'rs in on this first......it means that SOME of us, who have the desire and certain appealing aspects, will get the chance to become pets......some of us will find love and warmth beyond our wildest imagination while others, sadly,will make bad pets and become neglected.......the rest who are very smart and very resilient will roam free in a world ultimately governed by creatures, rather than humans.......there will be good and bad just like now, it will just be radically different... From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 9 07:41:43 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 04:41:43 -0700 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) Message-ID: Yeah, a lot of people are startled, even more so upon meeting my fat middle aged self. :) "I expected you to look like Dave Wyndorf", "I expected you to look like Sandy Perlman" (actual quotes). ;-) Peace, Steve -----Original Message----- From: trev Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 6:19 pm Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET oops, i just found out that you started this list ..sorry, i thought erm...something else anyway, it's a full moon here lol you see, mike forces me to say everything i say...he just writes me what i have to say, word for word and i have to...every post i've ever made...don't want to...but must...must i've tried to kill him, but he keeps his front door locked at night. help me someone trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) > Trev, I know that you live suspended in a giant vat of liquified Hawkwind musical ectoplasm, and that your every word coerces the very aether into the Platonic Hawkwind forms. Forgive me. :) > Steve > -----Original Message----- From: trev Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > no..it's all hawkwind related > -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:35 PM To: Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) >> Trev and Mike, you're both fine and upstanding sentient beings, but could you consider sending the more chatty off topic personal messages direct to each other instead of using the list? >> Thanks much guys. >> Steve >> -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Wednesday, Apr 8, 2009 3:16 pm Subject: Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Ok cool, I'll expedite your death then, as this will toughen you up just like your laughable attempt at killing me last 12th did for me. Looks like Larry Wallis seems agreeable to carry this out quite reasonably, and I think Fee is bowling over wanting in on the gruesome aspects Hopefully you're going to the Puffin fest via Witchiepoo broom make a violent spectacle of yourself..... On 4/8/09, trev From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 07:51:19 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:51:19 +0100 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Apr 9 08:33:04 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:33:04 +0200 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: <200904091151.n39BpJ1q009659@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:51:19 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Good gig that. I was there. As I recall, we shook Dave's car afterwards > until he got out to sign our labcoats. Just out of curiosity, how did the labcoat thing come about? Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 9 08:55:58 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:55:58 -0400 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading fascism! In-Reply-To: <20090409073311.M26762@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: On 9 Apr 2009, at 4:01 AM, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:56:10 -0400, Paul Mather wrote >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 5:48 AM, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400, Paul Mather wrote >>> >>>> Secondly, it appears to turn the P2P approach entirely on its head >>>> by forcing all traffic through the VPN instead of... peer to peer. >>>> That's kind of dumb for a P2P application, or at the very least, >>>> not very scalable. >>> >>> You could, rather than just setting up a tcp connection for p2p >>> exchange, >>> build a VPN first, then set up the tcp connection through the VPN. >> >> Actually, what you're suggesting above is to have peers make >> encrypted connections to each other (which isn't quite the same as >> routing traffic through a VPN). Lots of BitTorrent clients already >> support this. > > No, that's not what I mean. I'm talking about using IPSec, and > sending AH, or > ESP traffic rather than TCP or UDP. Oh, okay, but again, why? And what would an ad hoc point-to-point IPSec link buy you above just a simple encrypted connection, other than more headaches? Aside from the bandwidth loss due to encapsulation, lots of folks are behind NAT and (assuming support was deployed) you'd lose yet more bandwidth due to NAT-T encapsulation. (Assuming you could overcome the "firewalled" status that afflicts lots of BitTorrent users to get the whole idea to fly reliably.) > Using port 80 on your client probably would also do (unless your ISP > doesn't > allow you to run webservers at home). I believe ISPs gave up using port numbers for throttling BitTorrent traffic ages ago. Don't they all use deep packet inspection these days? >> Unfortunately, for popular/notorious sites, you can still block >> access to the tracker based upon its well-known address, and can >> still do traffic shaping by snooping data from unencrypted tracker >> connections and then blocking (even encrypted) client connections. > > Then the next step will be distributed infrastructure, like DNS > servers and > trackers. But that's too close to the botnet model to feel > comfortable, I must > admit. You mean use something like Tor? (It still has identifiable endpoint nodes.) I still maintain that the larger problem is that BitTorrent's success is also an achilles heel: faster aggregate bandwidth requires being able to locate peers. And, being able to locate peers means being identifiable in some way. One of the good thing to come out of the BitTorrent arms race is that it does drive technology to make a lot of these long-standing deployment issues (NAT traversal, ubiquitous encryption, etc.) easier. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Apr 9 09:15:26 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:15:26 +0200 Subject: If you pirate music, you're downloading fascism! In-Reply-To: <667FA6FD-D077-47F0-AB81-80B286DAD67B@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:55:58 -0400, Paul Mather wrote > Oh, okay, but again, why? And what would an ad hoc point-to-point > IPSec link buy you above just a simple encrypted connection, other > than more headaches? Aside from the bandwidth loss due to > encapsulation, lots of folks are behind NAT and (assuming support > was deployed) you'd lose yet more bandwidth due to NAT-T > encapsulation. > (Assuming you could overcome the "firewalled" status that afflicts > lots of BitTorrent users to get the whole idea to fly reliably.) I wouldn't know why you'd want this, but it does scale (and that was my original point). > > Using port 80 on your client probably would also do (unless your ISP > > doesn't > > allow you to run webservers at home). > > I believe ISPs gave up using port numbers for throttling BitTorrent > traffic ages ago. Don't they all use deep packet inspection these days? No, I think they rate limit anything but tcp/80, tcp/443, tcp/25, tcp/8080, udp/67, and udp/53. Far easier, and it doesn't cost you extra. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 09:34:01 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:34:01 +0100 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:33:04 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Apr 9 10:24:38 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:24:38 -0400 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: <200904091334.n39DY1FQ021169@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I remember having a lab coat, and wearing it to Donnington the year Hawkwind played. pretty much singled myself & my buddy out for the drug squad. Who went through our pockets etc, and asking me really carefully to open a folded piece of paper, only to reveal the telephone number of the hotel our dad was staying at for the day whilst we went to festival... we were about 15 hahahahahaha The policemans comment on why we were searched, "well did didn't look like the rest, you got lab coats on, everyone else has demin " The painted lab coat came in very useful, once the bottles of piss and shit started being thrown from the back, we managed to stay dry & clean !!!!! We didn't go back :-) -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:34 Subject: Re: best fan recorded shows Arjan Hulsebos writes: > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:51:19 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > > Good gig that. I was there. As I recall, we shook Dave's car afterwards > > until he got out to sign our labcoats. > Just out of curiosity, how did the labcoat thing come about? Something to do with Dave wearing them on stage I think. Some fans just started wearing them too. Then the fashion for decorating them took off. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 9 10:34:27 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:34:27 -0500 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <3322107703.58166775@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 09 Apr 2009, at 06:41 , Steve Swann wrote: > "I expected you to look like Sandy Perlman" Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure what Sandy Pearlman looks like anyway! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 9 10:44:17 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:44:17 -0700 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) Message-ID: I believe it was Al who described him as really tall and weedy with receding curly hair... :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Thursday, Apr 9, 2009 10:37 am Subject: Re: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 09 Apr 2009, at 06:41 , Steve Swann wrote: "I expected you to look like Sandy Perlman" Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure what Sandy Pearlman looks like anyway! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Apr 9 10:50:24 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:50:24 -0400 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <3322118657.58585284@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe it was Al who described him as really tall and weedy with receding curly hair... :) Almost everyone's really tall standing next to Albert! tj From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 12:19:47 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:19:47 +0100 Subject: best fan recorded shows In-Reply-To: iainferguson@AOL.COM's message of Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From albert at CELLSUM.COM Thu Apr 9 13:13:06 2009 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:13:06 -0400 Subject: Trev and Mike (was Re: if you download atomgod, your going to be killed) In-Reply-To: <42267B59-5B00-49EB-AA3A-EAA325C3DDE5@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I have a current jpeg but the listserv rejected it? a shame. BUT the mystery continues. On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 09 Apr 2009, at 06:41 , Steve Swann wrote: >> "I expected you to look like Sandy Perlman" > > > Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure what Sandy > Pearlman looks like anyway! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Apr 9 14:17:31 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:17:31 -0400 Subject: Sandy Pearlman (was Trev and Mike) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://flickr.com/photos/kdiakow/19797651/ Sandy with guest and cowbell. Every time I've seen recent pictures of him, his wardrobe is very similar to what's displayed above. He lvoes his hats. Whenever I think of "Memphis Sam" (as Meltzer referred to him in Aesthetics of rock) I think of him wearing a black cowboy hat. On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:13:06 -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > I have a current jpeg but the listserv rejected it? a shame. BUT the > mystery continues. > > On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> On 09 Apr 2009, at 06:41 , Steve Swann wrote: >>> "I expected you to look like Sandy Perlman" >> >> >> Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure what Sandy >> Pearlman looks like anyway! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Apr 10 08:43:34 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:43:34 -0500 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? Message-ID: Well, I've not seen anyone post anything yet about last night...but it seems that it's off to a good start: http://www.youtube.com/user/nicky0872 has 3 uploads from last night: Damnation Alley, Magnu, and Mirror of Illusion (the latter two are mixed up with each other, mind.) Mirror of Illusion is *brilliant*. Arin (looking forward to the only gigs she'll be at this year: Porchester!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 10 10:28:19 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:28:19 -0400 Subject: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) Message-ID: This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 >From their website: http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank up your speakers and enjoy! Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher Lyrics by Paul Barnett Eric Bloom - Vocals Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals Brad Derrick - Drums Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) Length: 03:33 min ****** So, that's the official description of it. I have two thoughts on the subject: 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. When I think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that comment the right way) :-) but I can't say I would have thought of Eric Bloom. No offense intended to Eric either, but he always struck me as someone who wears his cool like most people wear their shoes - anytime they leave the house. I really enjoyed hearing him fronting a such a goofy mock-epic production. 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. As a matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and I've been listening to it incessantly. It sounds almost like Eric fronting Manowar. God help me - it actually occurred to me that I like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ;-) Give it a listen. ;-) Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 10 17:28:24 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:28:24 -0500 Subject: JT ICU Crazy Message-ID: a mysterious person, emailed me a couple days ago, typing font all in black, and decribing himself as dressed in a black suit and dark sunglasses, asked me to post this link and claim I found it or something the link as sent was this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT3TxIFM0Fc I could tell by the desription of his hair tied back that it was obviously Trev, acting as a MIB From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Apr 11 01:05:54 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:05:54 -0400 Subject: JT ICU Crazy In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904101428n39d732d4o26a978d8f6d72bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike, You posted a link from someone like that? I thought it was great. Trev, crazy, of course not? It's only the rest of the world. I Thanks Trev, I really enjoyed that. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:28 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: JT ICU Crazy a mysterious person, emailed me a couple days ago, typing font all in black, and decribing himself as dressed in a black suit and dark sunglasses, asked me to post this link and claim I found it or something the link as sent was this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT3TxIFM0Fc I could tell by the desription of his hair tied back that it was obviously Trev, acting as a MIB From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Apr 11 07:23:52 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:23:52 -0400 Subject: New Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 11, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: AURAL INNOVATIONS SPACE ROCK RADIO (#215) I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #215). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #215) Level Pi ? ?Theta Null? (from Electronic Sheep) Korai ?r?m ? ?Chinese? (from Korai ?r?m 2009) Siddhartha ? ?Black? (from Trip to Innerself) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Space Fountain? (from Good Planets Are Hard To Find) Mooch ? ?Freeze Freak? (from 1968a) Stephen Palmer ? ?The Innkeeper?s Tale? (from Shroomshire) Gunslingers ? ?Lighter Slinger Festival? (from No More Invention) Aluk Todolo ? ?Burial Ground? (from Descension) The Higher Craft ? ?Lazy Daisy? (from Magic Box) River Cow Orchestra ? ?Undercover Pursuit? (from Rawhide) Spaceseed ? ?The Insane Scientist? (from Architects of Twilight) Verde ? ?Kukas? (from K?rmes) Carlton Melton ? ?F*cking Funkyshit? (from Live in Point Areana, CA) Ray Reagan and the RayGuns ? ?Dopamine? (from Godspunk Volume Seven) Chelsea From Essex ? ?Deal Ear? (from Godspunk Volume Seven) OHead ? ?Seamless Time? (from Decade in Space) The Setting Son ? ?Out of Tune? (from Spring of Hate) Crystal Caravan ? ?Dead Inside? (from Crystal Caravan) Johnfish Sparkle ? ?Feelin? Down? (from Johnfish Sparkle) Mac of BIOnight - "Abbastanza Tanto" (from A Safe Haven) Cosmic Debris ? ?Danse of the Sines? (from 3.7K) http://Aural-Innovations.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Apr 11 18:03:51 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:03:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Blue Oyster Cult book hugely revamped - 303 pages, 174 pictures! Message-ID: Found the following great news in my in-box today from Martin Popoff: >Yes, my very best band biog, Blue Oyster Cult: >Secrets Revealed! has received a monster steroid injection! > >Seriously, I?ve always considered this the most >interesting of the eight or so band biographies >I?ve done, but I?ve always lamented that the >original was too slight, and of course, lacking >in photos. So I?ve overhauled the thing and this >new, improved second edition is now ready for shipping. > >Here?s what you get: > >- early edition was 207 pages; the new >one 303 pages, AND at larger 6? x 9? format. > >- now includes 174 memorabilia shots and >band photos, many previously unseen and from the archive of Rich Galbraith > >- extensive new interview footage with >all of the original band plus later lineup dudes > >- updated to include recent band happenings and side-projects > >- new kick-ass cover art by Rory Fiorito > >- extensively re-edited and re-written > > > >Blue Oyster Cult ? 40 years in the biz six gold >and platinum U.S. albums classic trax like >(Don?t Fear) The Reaper, Godzilla, Burnin? For >You, Astronomy and E.T.I. Indeed, Donald ?Buck >Dharma? Roeser, Eric Bloom, Allen Lanier, Albert >Bouchard and Joe Bouchard comprised one of the >great stadium acts of the ?70s and ?80s. BOC >were heavy metal enough to duke it out with >Kiss, Rush, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent and Black >Sabbath, yet smart, funny, ironic and jaded >enough to please the tough New York critics, of >which more than a couple mingled within their ranks. > > > >Blue Oyster Cult: Secrets Revealed! is not a >biography as such, but a biography of the band?s >albums, a canon of work I consider one of the >finest in rock, and truly superlative on the >lyrical front. Indeed, in radio, print and TV >interviews, I?ve consistently called the band?s >lyrics the best in the business, tied with those >of Captain Beefheart and Pye Dubois (Max >Webster, Kim Mitchell). And what?s more, it?s >been well-documented that I consider this the >most action-packed, intellectual and highly >interesting of the band biographies I?ve penned. >The guys are just really cool, creative and have killer stories. > > > >The book examines the complicated early days of >the band, graphically demonstrating the show biz >sweat that goes into making an act an act. The >majority of the book however is centred around >the peerless intellectual quality of the songs, >a quality made entertaining by the band?s >psychotropic and ghoulish humor, and by its >interest in all manner of conspiracy theories, >cults, monsters, vampires, UFO tales, foul play, >arcane spiritualism, alchemy, love lost and love >buried, science fiction and science friction. > > > >Along the way, I talked (in some cases numerous >times) with Buck, Eric, Albert and Joe, along >with new drummer Bobby Rondinelli, legendary >producer of the band Murray Krugman and BOC >expert Bolle Gregmar. For insight into the >band?s fantastic lyrical world, I went right to >the source, the penners of BOC classics. Some of >the best insights into creativity I?ve ever >heard - through 1400 interviews an? counting - >came from Sandy Pearlman (also the band?s >manager during the golden years), Richard >Meltzer, Helen Wheels, David Roter and John >Shirley, along with cover artists Greg Scott and >Ioannis. Helen Wheels and David Roter are since >deceased - these chats with them are among their last interviews. > > > >Books will be signed by me to you, so make clear >if it?s a gift to someone else or whatever! > > > >Price including shipping (higher postage this >time, due to the thickness of the book): > >US orders: $35.00 US funds > >Int?l orders (surface mail): $38.00 US funds > >Int?l orders (air mail): $42.00 US funds > >Canadian orders: $36.00 Cdn. funds > > > >PayPal happily accepted! > >Ask me if you?d like a PayPal invoice, or just >do yer usual and direct funds to >martinp at inforamp.net > > > >Or mail payment (personal check in US funds, >cash, or INTERNATIONAL money order), to: > >Martin Popoff > >P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. > >Toronto, Ontario, Canada > >M4K 2Z2 > > > >Email me at martinp at inforamp.net with any >further questions, and see >www.martinpopoff.com >for descriptions, cover art and ordering info >for my other available 22 or so books. Nice >savings on shipping can be had if you take a few >things, and as you know, I?m always good for >swingin? a deal for two books or more. Just >email me for a quote. The first five Ye Olde Metals are still available! > > > >Thanks! > >Martin > > >See >www.martinpopoff.com >for info on my 27 books, including: > >Gettin' Tighter: Deep Purple '68 - '76 > >All Access: The Art & History Of The Backstage Pass > >Ye Olde Metal: 1978 (ltd. to 1000 - FIFTH in series!) > > > >Martin Popoff, PO Box 65208, > >358 Danforth Ave., Toronto, ON M4K 2Z2 > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Apr 13 18:16:26 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:16:26 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & Friends, Anton Roolaart & Astronaut Jones: May 8th Hamilton, NJ Message-ID: Hamilton Lanes Lounge & the good people at Capital City Concerts, present: Friday, May 8th 2009: An evening with Mike Burro & Friends appearing will be: Astronaut Jones ( 10 PM ) http://www.myspace.com/astronautjonesmusic Anton Roolaart ( 11 PM ) http://www.myspace.com/antonroolaart Mike Burro & friends ( 12 AM ) http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 Hamilton Lanes 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ (609) 585-2400 http://myspace.com/Hamiltonlanes $7.00 charge at the door 18+ to enter 21+ to drink Capital City Concerts http://www.capitalcityconcerts.com Booking: *Finnigans, East Windsor, NJ ^Trocadero Balcony Theatre, Philly, PA *Maritas Cantina, New Brunswick, NJ ^JB's Showcase, Morrisville,PA *Hamilton Lanes, Hamilton, NJ *Denotes house booking agent Be part of our Revolution!! _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 13 19:11:44 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:11:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) Message-ID: I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of the list, right?? So, again: This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 >From their website: http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank up your speakers and enjoy! Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher Lyrics by Paul Barnett Eric Bloom - Vocals Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals Brad Derrick - Drums Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) Length: 03:33 min ****** So, that's the official description of it. ?I have two thoughts on the subject: 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. ?When I think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that comment the right way) :-) but I can't say I would have thought of Eric Bloom. ?No offense intended to Eric either, but he always struck me as someone who wears his cool like most people wear their shoes - anytime they leave the house. ?I really enjoyed hearing him fronting a such a goofy mock-epic production. 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. ?As a matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and I've been listening to it incessantly. ?It sounds almost like Eric fronting Manowar. ?God help me - it actually occurred to me that I like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ?;-) Give it a listen. ?;-) Steve From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 14 05:22:22 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:22:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610903130334q71c4e718nb10e01a13d548889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:34:46AM -0600, mike coleman typed out: > Jon Jarret writes: > > P. S. Harvey is on the other hand in my opinion the best *synth* player > > Hawkwind ever had and I would respectfully ask a rejoining Simon, were > > such ever to occur, to stick to violin so that there would be space for > > Harvey too... > > -- > > Now in a "perfect world", for me, if Simon were to plug back into whatever > he was using on Warrior, I would say do anything, I mean ANYTHING to keep > Harvey from messing anything up........ Aw, I know what you mean, but Harvey's big melodic washes of noise and his particular brand of squiggly sounds work for me better than Simon's rather orchestral leanings; they're good, but they bring Hawkwind too close to being a dinosaur prog band, which I think was a failing _Warrior_ suffered from maybe a bit too much. > and before I continue, I rather see you as a personal friend Jon, and none > of this stuff is very serious to me, and while I almost could have been a > musician, I do not have an "ear" for much besides guitar, although Simon > King gave me an "ear" for his drumming, (and) I never found any fault with > Harvey's bass-playing I don't know whether I have an ear for this stuff particularly, but I have some idea of what I think works and why. I find Harvey's bass-playing rather awkward, it doesn't flow like Alan's or Lemmy's, or even Ron's when Ron was/is on form. That said, as I think I did say, the bass-parts Harvey came up with are really fun. > I find it strange that Simon House would (for me) trump Dik Mik and Del, > though my connections higher up refer me to the fact Del was overseeing a > bunch of the instruments.......... This is one of those problems with time, innit: Hawkwind Del was a marvel to apprehend and all kinds of complexities and textures lurked within his machinery, but occasional-Space-Ritual-visitor Del with the axe, well, is not adding as much. If you gave me a choice between 1973 Del and 1974 Simon, then Del is the more interesting for the head, at least this head, but 2000s Simon easily trumps 2000s Del as someone with a whole musical picture of what's going on and how to add to it. > One thing I am sure of, is that Judge Trev certainly chose the wrong > instrument...that guy should NEVER have picked up a guitar......talk about > painful.......and you should see how fast people make excuses to leave every > time his "noise" is on my stereo.....I won't even mention when he opens his > mouth to "sing"??? Better than that Kev bloke he hangs around with, though... Believe me I've seen it (now), yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 06:23:20 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:23:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902140430h7f72ccbfs4ee17b2706b423b3@mail.gmail.com> <49971C40.8020208@darkstar.uk.net> <17d80c610902141139n53b4e0b9q1da76b77cfb5814f@mail.gmail.com> <20090313101036.GJ4096@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <17d80c610903130334q71c4e718nb10e01a13d548889@mail.gmail.com> <20090414092222.GH8602@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Well John, didn't you know that sarcasm is so passe these days. Now, skepticism is what the inn-crowd is into...I don't know why... can't really see any point in any of it...don't know why anyone bothers to write on this list anyway for what good it does...mankind is doomed, so why prolong the agony...? Yes, I must say that the Trev and Kev gig at Cosmic Puffin was a carbon copy of our last ill-fated engagement at the Horse and groom, as far as Kev was concerned. Again the fat fool crammed as much dope into his grotesque gob as possible before the gig. It kicked in about half-way through the set. He didn't collapse this time tho', because there was a chair handy. He just spent the time, sweating, eyes glazed with his finger stuck on a single undulating synth note...for twenty minutes!!! I mean...is there any point in it all...why bother to breath...? jt "> One thing I am sure of, is that Judge Trev certainly chose the wrong > instrument...that guy should NEVER have picked up a guitar......talk about > painful.......and you should see how fast people make excuses to leave > every > time his "noise" is on my stereo.....I won't even mention when he opens > his > mouth to "sing"??? Better than that Kev bloke he hangs around with, though... Believe me I've seen it (now), yours, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:22 AM To: Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:34:46AM -0600, mike coleman typed out: >> Jon Jarret writes: >> > P. S. Harvey is on the other hand in my opinion the best *synth* player >> > Hawkwind ever had and I would respectfully ask a rejoining Simon, were >> > such ever to occur, to stick to violin so that there would be space for >> > Harvey too... >> > -- >> >> Now in a "perfect world", for me, if Simon were to plug back into >> whatever >> he was using on Warrior, I would say do anything, I mean ANYTHING to keep >> Harvey from messing anything up........ > > Aw, I know what you mean, but Harvey's big melodic washes of > noise and his particular brand of squiggly sounds work for me better > than Simon's rather orchestral leanings; they're good, but they bring > Hawkwind too close to being a dinosaur prog band, which I think was a > failing _Warrior_ suffered from maybe a bit too much. > >> and before I continue, I rather see you as a personal friend Jon, and >> none >> of this stuff is very serious to me, and while I almost could have been a >> musician, I do not have an "ear" for much besides guitar, although Simon >> King gave me an "ear" for his drumming, (and) I never found any fault >> with >> Harvey's bass-playing > > I don't know whether I have an ear for this stuff particularly, > but I have some idea of what I think works and why. I find Harvey's > bass-playing rather awkward, it doesn't flow like Alan's or Lemmy's, or > even Ron's when Ron was/is on form. That said, as I think I did say, > the bass-parts Harvey came up with are really fun. > >> I find it strange that Simon House would (for me) trump Dik Mik and Del, >> though my connections higher up refer me to the fact Del was overseeing a >> bunch of the instruments.......... > > This is one of those problems with time, innit: Hawkwind Del was > a marvel to apprehend and all kinds of complexities and textures lurked > within his machinery, but occasional-Space-Ritual-visitor Del with the > axe, well, is not adding as much. If you gave me a choice between 1973 > Del and 1974 Simon, then Del is the more interesting for the head, at > least this head, but 2000s Simon easily trumps 2000s Del as someone with > a whole musical picture of what's going on and how to add to it. > >> One thing I am sure of, is that Judge Trev certainly chose the wrong >> instrument...that guy should NEVER have picked up a guitar......talk >> about >> painful.......and you should see how fast people make excuses to leave >> every >> time his "noise" is on my stereo.....I won't even mention when he opens >> his >> mouth to "sing"??? > > Better than that Kev bloke he hangs around with, though... > Believe me I've seen it (now), yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 14 06:50:51 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:50:51 +0100 Subject: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) In-Reply-To: A<919e368d0904131611n61eacba8ie1c7546615c99ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, we do still have a BOC side, and ..."What a hoot" - thanks for the heads-up Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: 14 April 2009 00:12 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of the list, right?? So, again: This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 >From their website: http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank up your speakers and enjoy! Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher Lyrics by Paul Barnett Eric Bloom - Vocals Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals Brad Derrick - Drums Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) Length: 03:33 min ****** So, that's the official description of it. I have two thoughts on the subject: 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. When I think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that comment the right way) :-) but I can't say I would have thought of Eric Bloom. No offense intended to Eric either, but he always struck me as someone who wears his cool like most people wear their shoes - anytime they leave the house. I really enjoyed hearing him fronting a such a goofy mock-epic production. 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. As a matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and I've been listening to it incessantly. It sounds almost like Eric fronting Manowar. God help me - it actually occurred to me that I like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ;-) Give it a listen. ;-) Steve This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. 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UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Apr 14 07:28:04 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:28:04 -0400 Subject: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904131611n61eacba8ie1c7546615c99ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yah, I was a fan when there WAS a B?C. Now with Allen riding the pines, I just don't have much interest in 2?C. If you've seen them recently, you may want to change your tune. Having said that, this song is pretty good. EB's voice suits the song perfectly and there's some really good guitar playing going on. I think I'd rather see EB and his buds jamming than one of the formulaic B?C phoned-in performances we get nowadays with the rhythm section-of-the-month... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of the list, right?? So, again: This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 >From their website: http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank up your speakers and enjoy! Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher Lyrics by Paul Barnett Eric Bloom - Vocals Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals Brad Derrick - Drums Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) Length: 03:33 min ****** So, that's the official description of it. ?I have two thoughts on the subject: 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. ?When I think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that comment the right way) :-) but I can't say I would have thought of Eric Bloom. ?No offense intended to Eric either, but he always struck me as someone who wears his cool like most people wear their shoes - anytime they leave the house. ?I really enjoyed hearing him fronting a such a goofy mock-epic production. 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. ?As a matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and I've been listening to it incessantly. ?It sounds almost like Eric fronting Manowar. ?God help me - it actually occurred to me that I like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ?;-) Give it a listen. ?;-) Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 07:54:19 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:54:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) Message-ID: You know that thought has occurred to me as well. If Eric and the boys threw together another 6 or 7 songs of this quality and amount of fun, I would absolutely turn out to see them. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Theodore O Jackson Date: Tuesday, Apr 14, 2009 7:30 am Subject: Re: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Yah, I was a fan when there WAS a B?C. Now with Allen riding the pines, I just don't have much interest in 2?C. If you've seen them recently, you may want to change your tune. Having said that, this song is pretty good. EB's voice suits the song perfectly and there's some really good guitar playing going on. I think I'd rather see EB and his buds jamming than one of the formulaic B?C phoned-in performances we get nowadays with the rhythm section-of-the-month... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of the list, right?? So, again: This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 >From their website: http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank up your speakers and enjoy! Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher Lyrics by Paul Barnett Eric Bloom - Vocals Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals Brad Derrick - Drums Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) Length: 03:33 min ****** So, that's the official description of it. ?I have two thoughts on the subject: 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. ?When I think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that comment the right From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Apr 14 08:25:04 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:25:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) In-Reply-To: <3322540449.63144228@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be interesting if they introduced Kiss my axe into their sets. It is a fun song! THe could could do all of their Kiss songs -- Kiss my axe, Before the Kiss a Redacap and a Demon's Kiss (though the last one is a bit too repetititve to my ears). Has anyone heard how Buck is playing since his accident in December? Just had a thought: BOC could do a 7 disc best of package: one chosen by each of the original members w/self-penned liner notes, like the "Python's Best" DVD set they were peddling a few years ago. J. On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:54:19 -0700, Steve Swann wrote: > You know that thought has occurred to me as well. If Eric and the boys > threw together another 6 or 7 songs of this quality and amount of fun, I > would absolutely turn out to see them. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Theodore O Jackson > Date: Tuesday, Apr 14, 2009 7:30 am > Subject: Re: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Yah, I was a fan when there WAS a B?C. Now with Allen > riding the pines, I just don't have much interest in > 2?C. If you've seen them recently, you may want to > change your tune. Having said that, this song is pretty > good. EB's voice suits the song perfectly and there's > some really good guitar playing going on. > > I think I'd rather see EB and his buds jamming than one of > the formulaic B?C phoned-in performances we get nowadays with > the rhythm section-of-the-month... > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:12 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) > > I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the > list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of > the list, right?? > > So, again: > > This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. > http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers-Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 > > From their website: > http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ > > What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of > Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom > (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie > Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue > ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed > into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track > dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! > > The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is > available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the > oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank > up your speakers and enjoy! > > Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! > Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher > Lyrics by Paul Barnett > Eric Bloom - Vocals > Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals > Brad Derrick - Drums > > Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) > Length: 03:33 min > > ****** > > So, that's the official description of it. ?I have two thoughts on the > subject: > > 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of > a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no > overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. ?When I > think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that > comment the right From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 14 09:43:08 2009 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (Swartz, John A.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:43:08 -0400 Subject: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) Message-ID: Steve: I downloaded the MP3 last night - don't know that I'll listen to it quite as often as you apparently are, but it's a cool track for what it is - if I heard it on *Heaven Forbid* I'd probably have a WTF? Reaction, but it rocks and has some humor to it at the same time - which is why I might think of Al as doing something like this as opposed to Eric. I can't imagine Al paying homage to a dwarf though - maybe a wizard... John > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Swann [mailto:swann1066 at GMAIL.COM] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) > > I'm re-sending this, because I can't believe that the BOC side of the > list has *nothing* to say... I mean, we do still have a BOC side of > the list, right?? > > So, again: > > This is a legal MP3 download, courtesy of the folks at Warhammer Online. > http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/audio/The_Hamtouchers- > Kiss_My_Axe.mp3 > > From their website: > http://www.warhammeronline.com/music/ > > What happens when you combine hard-rock with the madness and fury of > Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning? We found out when Eric Bloom > (well-known gamer and Level 40 Sorc on Ironfist server!) and Richie > Castellano - WAR fanatics and members of the legendary rock band Blue > ?yster Cult - dropped in to tour Mythic headquarters and then headed > into the recording studio with the Mythic crew to lay down a track > dedicated to the Dwarf Slayer! > > The resulting song - "Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)!" - is > available for the first time here, to celebrate the launch of the > oath-sworn Dwarf Slayer! So slather your Mohawks with pig fat, crank > up your speakers and enjoy! > > Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer)! > Music by Eric Bloom, Richie Castellano, Brad Derrick and Josh Drescher > Lyrics by Paul Barnett > Eric Bloom - Vocals > Richie Castellano - Guitars, vocals > Brad Derrick - Drums > > Download Song: MP3 (7MB) / WAV (36MB) > Length: 03:33 min > > ****** > > So, that's the official description of it. ?I have two thoughts on the > subject: > > 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of > a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no > overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. ?When I > think of people like that, I might think of Al (hoping Al takes that > comment the right way) :-) but I can't say I would have thought of > Eric Bloom. ?No offense intended to Eric either, but he always struck > me as someone who wears his cool like most people wear their shoes - > anytime they leave the house. ?I really enjoyed hearing him fronting a > such a goofy mock-epic production. > > 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. ?As a > matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh > my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and > I've been listening to it incessantly. ?It sounds almost like Eric > fronting Manowar. ?God help me - it actually occurred to me that I > like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list > for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal > Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ?;-) > > Give it a listen. ?;-) > > Steve From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 14 11:48:50 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:48:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 08:10:30AM -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > On 13 Mar 2009, at 05:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >But I guess quite a lot of us hear music in our heads we'll > >never be able to make; he certainly comes closer to realising it > >than I ever will. > > Well, you could buy a dodgy old bass or get some software synths and > DAW software and mess around for a couple of years and then you'd > probably be quite close to making as much music that you heard in > your head as ol? Harvey can/has. After all, the magic of technology > make that a lot cheaper and easier than it used to be! :) Yes, I *could*, but my to-do list and academic procrastination powers are so great that we both know that only mid-life crisis and the eventual failing of my hair will bring this on. Also, my reflexes are slow and clumsy. So I'll continue to support the efforts of professional like Litmus and Farflung to make that music for me :-) > If he's responsible for the synth solo in the _Palace Springs_ > "Golden Void", then I'm going to agree. IMO, the Brock/Davey/ > Chadwick/House/Bainbridge lineup was the finest "post-Classical" > Hawkwind lineup there has been. Much though I like Huw and Tim Blake > (and even Ron Tree had his moments), that's the one for me. :) Even > if the albums _do_ have programmed drums .... Well, I've seen Richard use a drum sequencer *live* during `Space is their Palestine' and I was fine with that. I think the 2001 line-up, when they were doing that indeed, Brock-Davey-Chadwick- Bainbridge-House-sometimes Huggett-sometimes Brown (eerily similar really) was as good as it's been and making a better attempt at incorporating the techno urges than, say, `Acid House of Dreams'... On the other hand you and I have been arguing "Palace Springs!" - "California Brainstorm!" since I found out about the albums, right? so I'm not really expecting to convince you just like that :-) Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 13:15:38 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:15:38 +0100 Subject: Atomgod Vinyl last chance... In-Reply-To: <17d80c610902140430h7f72ccbfs4ee17b2706b423b3@mail.gmail.com> <49971C40.8020208@darkstar.uk.net> <17d80c610902141139n53b4e0b9q1da76b77cfb5814f@mail.gmail.com> <20090313101036.GJ4096@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20090414154850.GJ8602@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Roll up Roll Up, Atomgod vinyl featuring algy ward...damned/tank steve clark...fastway judge trev bill leisegang...nina hagen only 3 left now i think, ?15 each almost mintish covers...unplayed tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:48 PM To: Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 08:10:30AM -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: >> On 13 Mar 2009, at 05:10 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >But I guess quite a lot of us hear music in our heads we'll >> >never be able to make; he certainly comes closer to realising it >> >than I ever will. >> >> Well, you could buy a dodgy old bass or get some software synths and >> DAW software and mess around for a couple of years and then you'd >> probably be quite close to making as much music that you heard in >> your head as ol? Harvey can/has. After all, the magic of technology >> make that a lot cheaper and easier than it used to be! :) > > Yes, I *could*, but my to-do list and academic procrastination > powers are so great that we both know that only mid-life crisis and the > eventual failing of my hair will bring this on. Also, my reflexes are > slow and clumsy. So I'll continue to support the efforts of professional > like Litmus and Farflung to make that music for me :-) > >> If he's responsible for the synth solo in the _Palace Springs_ >> "Golden Void", then I'm going to agree. IMO, the Brock/Davey/ >> Chadwick/House/Bainbridge lineup was the finest "post-Classical" >> Hawkwind lineup there has been. Much though I like Huw and Tim Blake >> (and even Ron Tree had his moments), that's the one for me. :) Even >> if the albums _do_ have programmed drums .... > > Well, I've seen Richard use a drum sequencer *live* during > `Space is their Palestine' and I was fine with that. I think the 2001 > line-up, when they were doing that indeed, Brock-Davey-Chadwick- > Bainbridge-House-sometimes Huggett-sometimes Brown (eerily similar > really) was as good as it's been and making a better attempt at > incorporating the techno urges than, say, `Acid House of Dreams'... On > the other hand you and I have been arguing "Palace Springs!" - > "California Brainstorm!" since I found out about the albums, right? so > I'm not really expecting to convince you just like that :-) Yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 14 12:57:37 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:57:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <20090414154850.GJ8602@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 14 Apr 2009, at 10:48, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 08:10:30AM -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson > typed out: >> Well, you could buy a dodgy old bass or get some software synths and >> DAW software and mess around for a couple of years and then you'd >> probably be quite close to making as much music that you heard in >> your head as ol? Harvey can/has. After all, the magic of technology >> make that a lot cheaper and easier than it used to be! :) > > Yes, I *could*, but my to-do list and academic procrastination > powers are so great that we both know that only mid-life crisis and > the > eventual failing of my hair will bring this on. Well, whatever it takes .... ;) > Also, my reflexes are > slow and clumsy. This has failed to stop a lot of people .... :) > Well, I've seen Richard use a drum sequencer *live* during > `Space is their Palestine' and I was fine with that. I think the 2001 > line-up, when they were doing that indeed, Brock-Davey-Chadwick- > Bainbridge-House-sometimes Huggett-sometimes Brown (eerily similar > really) was as good as it's been and making a better attempt at > incorporating the techno urges than, say, `Acid House of Dreams'... On > the other hand you and I have been arguing "Palace Springs!" - > "California Brainstorm!" since I found out about the albums, right? so > I'm not really expecting to convince you just like that :-) There are a few tracks I could have thrown off of _Palace Springs_ and replaced with the "Out of the Shadows" from _California Brainstorm_. :) But, in general, if I were the producer, I would have made HW banish their techno urges to solo albums. :) They were diluting the brand! I would have wielded Rick-Rubin-like power! :) "Of these 10 songs, these two are OK, but they need more blanga. Record them thus, and write 8 more good new songs. I'll be back in a week or so to see how you're getting on .... Oh, for fuck's sake, Dave, you call that an amplifier? Damn, I'll have someone bring something over .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Apr 14 16:00:27 2009 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:00:27 +0100 Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos Message-ID: Hey, latest bunch of photos are now on www.tangledwoof.com Cheers Alan From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 20:51:42 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:51:42 +0200 Subject: NIK/HW: I found the old interview... Message-ID: ---which Scott Heller and myself conducted in Hamburg with Nik over a couple of J's and was printed in Aural Innovations in 1998. Problem is that its the old printed issues of AI and not the origininal .doc document I transcribed from a cassette. I would love for Jerry Kranitz to put up the interview on the Aural Innovations site and I suppose there is alot of software that can scan/convert the article to text- would be nice to see up as its a magical article piece with old Nik! For folks in Scandinavia/Norsespeakfolk: The next issue of Norwegian counterculture paper Gateavisa has reviews of "Knights Of Space" by Hawkwind, "3rd Millenium Powerdrive" by Jet Jaguar, and "Plutonium Blonde" by Legendary Pink Dots. Abit late, these reveiws were written by yours truly and submitted in November but seeing how those lazy folks are, they will be in the spring 09 issue. In Norwegian. :-) Christian NP: The Tear Garden "The Last Man To Fly" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 21:49:20 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:49:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question Message-ID: I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and ready for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping spree (credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a split CD with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by MoA: Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? Christian NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" ObBand: Dead Moon PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with Twink & Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one who does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF stuff like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 23:02:15 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:02:15 +0200 Subject: The Pirate Gay Message-ID: I think the Sun Rise pirate of PXR 5 is affeminete and GAY. As opposed to the Rock Fever WotEoT which has a masculine sheen of GAY. Apropos Pirate Gay, I downloaded "Fresh Blood" by Steve Swindells on ThePirateBayDotOrg and thought "holy shit! this ultra kool macho rock n roll dude with all the business cred and acess to women in the world of r'n'r singing is GAY!" couldnt beleive for a second that Swindells is GAY but damn, he is a flamer apperantly out of the closet and all that. I am a fan of ""Fresh Blood" and Need The Vinyl.... how does his 1974 effort compare? And who are the musicians on "Fresh Blood"? Facts pluheez. I also saw Dumpys Rusty Nuts (who are anti-poofters) was up as a torrent. Too bad I already have their entire discog including vinyl rips from russian mp3 sites - some of which I copied for The Coal Meister ("when is HE coming out of the closet? After Trev does?) Christian _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 23:37:28 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:37:28 -0500 Subject: Fwd: The Pirate Gay In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904142031u597f4cbfo48de6a36217b2b1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: on list reply by request..... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike coleman Date: Apr 14, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: Re: The Pirate Gay To: Amphetamine Embalmer funny, you just made me feel better about buying that LP again, as I had sworn it off forever, but a promo turned up so cheap I had to do it for simon and huw answers forthcoming, it's been a hectic day in my terms have you heard ENO's "here come the warm jets" which features Simon King?? WORTHY!!!! I don't do sex, it seems too awkward, messy, and risky ps-Meads Of Asphodel with "cookie monster" vocals I have not been able to stomach On 4/14/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > I think the Sun Rise pirate of PXR 5 is affeminete and GAY. As opposed to > the Rock Fever WotEoT which has a masculine sheen of GAY. > > Apropos Pirate Gay, I downloaded "Fresh Blood" by Steve Swindells on > ThePirateBayDotOrg and thought "holy shit! this ultra kool macho rock n roll > dude with all the business cred and acess to women in the world of r'n'r > singing is GAY!" couldnt beleive for a second that Swindells is GAY but > damn, he is a flamer apperantly out of the closet and all that. I am a fan > of ""Fresh Blood" and Need The Vinyl.... how does his 1974 effort compare? > And who are the musicians on "Fresh Blood"? Facts pluheez. > > I also saw Dumpys Rusty Nuts (who are anti-poofters) was up as a torrent. > Too bad I already have their entire discog including vinyl rips from russian > mp3 sites - some of which I copied for The Coal Meister ("when is HE coming > out of the closet? After Trev does?) > > Christian > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 23:52:10 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:52:10 +0200 Subject: The Pirate Gay In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904142037g25501cfbkc0dc4a9e470c963a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike, Thanks for forwarding from my "Spamphetamine666" acct. which has worn out its welcome with folks like our dearest moderator Ben (and me, going insane, controlling The Great Beast (who Speaks the mathematics of The Universe)). Sex is messy but you gotta do it like 20 times before its disgusting (I used to be nymphomaniac). Drugs you can do forever but not sex. Haven't heard the Eno thingy. Christian NP: Skrewdriver "The Best Of Skrewdriver vol. 1" > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:37:28 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Fwd: The Pirate Gay > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > on list reply by request..... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: mike coleman > Date: Apr 14, 2009 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: The Pirate Gay > To: Amphetamine Embalmer > > funny, you just made me feel better about buying that LP again, as I had > sworn it off forever, but a promo turned up so cheap I had to do it for > simon and huw > answers forthcoming, it's been a hectic day in my terms > have you heard ENO's "here come the warm jets" which features Simon King?? > WORTHY!!!! > I don't do sex, it seems too awkward, messy, and risky > ps-Meads Of Asphodel with "cookie monster" vocals I have not been able to > stomach > > On 4/14/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > I think the Sun Rise pirate of PXR 5 is affeminete and GAY. As opposed to > > the Rock Fever WotEoT which has a masculine sheen of GAY. > > > > Apropos Pirate Gay, I downloaded "Fresh Blood" by Steve Swindells on > > ThePirateBayDotOrg and thought "holy shit! this ultra kool macho rock n roll > > dude with all the business cred and acess to women in the world of r'n'r > > singing is GAY!" couldnt beleive for a second that Swindells is GAY but > > damn, he is a flamer apperantly out of the closet and all that. I am a fan > > of ""Fresh Blood" and Need The Vinyl.... how does his 1974 effort compare? > > And who are the musicians on "Fresh Blood"? Facts pluheez. > > > > I also saw Dumpys Rusty Nuts (who are anti-poofters) was up as a torrent. > > Too bad I already have their entire discog including vinyl rips from russian > > mp3 sites - some of which I copied for The Coal Meister ("when is HE coming > > out of the closet? After Trev does?) > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 01:27:09 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:27:09 -0500 Subject: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc Message-ID: On 4/14/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Mike, Thanks for forwarding from my "Spamphetamine666" acct. which has worn > out its welcome with folks like our dearest moderator Ben (and me, going > insane, controlling The Great Beast (who Speaks the mathematics of The > Universe)). Sex is messy but you gotta do it like 20 times before its > disgusting (I used to be nymphomaniac). Drugs you can do forever but not > sex. Haven't heard the Eno thing Is Ben still alive? I hope I didn't say I hadn't had, (cough) my experimentation, I've simply concluded for the time being Thank you Alan for the pics How fortunate we are that all the clan troops still march Thanks to the musicians of notoriety that share with us here, as musicians are simply interesting NP: absolutely nothing and thank god ps-letting in the past, I can't find ANYTHING wrong with Hawkwind music worth mentioning From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 01:41:24 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:41:24 +0200 Subject: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904142227h1d06ada7g6327e75177bf5da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll battle Trev with my punkrocker-enchantment-casting ability from the audience if he ever comes to Norway to play... Or is it only girls who get to cast backwards enchantments at the punkbands??? Don't let any Lowlife Joes like the coal meister take over this list.... NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:27:09 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 4/14/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Mike, Thanks for forwarding from my "Spamphetamine666" acct. which has worn > > out its welcome with folks like our dearest moderator Ben (and me, going > > insane, controlling The Great Beast (who Speaks the mathematics of The > > Universe)). Sex is messy but you gotta do it like 20 times before its > > disgusting (I used to be nymphomaniac). Drugs you can do forever but not > > sex. Haven't heard the Eno thing > > > Is Ben still alive? I hope > I didn't say I hadn't had, (cough) my experimentation, I've simply concluded > for the time being > Thank you Alan for the pics > How fortunate we are that all the clan troops still march > Thanks to the musicians of notoriety that share with us here, as musicians > are simply interesting > NP: absolutely nothing and thank god > ps-letting in the past, I can't find ANYTHING wrong with Hawkwind music > worth mentioning _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 15 04:26:21 2009 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:26:21 +0000 Subject: HW:(slightly off) Special Litmus Gig Message-ID: Litmus will be playing a free gig at the Standard Music Venue in Walthamstow (http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk) on Friday May 8th to celebrate the completion of their third album, Aurora.? The band will be playing two sets so come along and see the sinful cabbalistic light show. From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Wed Apr 15 04:27:40 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:27:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: A<8CA56A3E-D066-470F-A90B-A0EE16FC6427@carlaz.com> Message-ID: >> Also, my reflexes are slow and clumsy. > > This has failed to stop a lot of people .... :) Me, for instance... > "Palace Springs!" - "California Brainstorm!" since I found out about the albums, right? "Palace Springs" - by a narrow margin > They were diluting the brand! Fair point, well made :-{)> > I would have wielded Rick-Rubin-like power! Eeek! Carl on a power-trip! (Cue Wyndorf gags....?) > Oh, for fuck's sake, Dave, you call that an amplifier? Damn, I'll have someone bring something over .... ;) Hear, hear! Too ****ing right - somebody buy the man a Stilleto Deuce or sump'n! 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Neither UB Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 05:14:33 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:14:33 +0200 Subject: HW:(slightly off) Special Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <274258.78057.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds awesome. I'm a million miles away so I can't come. I thought "Planetfall" was damned great stuff, lots of Hawkwind-style "done better than Hawkwind" kinda thing. Especially the opener "Destroy The Mothership" - up there with ICU "Space Invaders". Christian NP: Anti-Nowhere League "The Best of The Anti-Nowhere League" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:26:21 +0000 > From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK > Subject: HW:(slightly off) Special Litmus Gig > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Litmus will be playing a free gig at the Standard Music Venue in Walthamstow (http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk) on Friday May 8th to celebrate the completion of their third album, Aurora. The band will be playing two sets so come along and see the sinful cabbalistic light show. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 07:30:36 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:30:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CB86@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: > >> Also, my reflexes are slow and clumsy. > > > > This has failed to stop a lot of people .... :) > > Me, for instance... I always thought Lemmy looked slow and clumsy onstage, but with a certain stride. > > "Palace Springs!" - "California Brainstorm!" since I found out about > the albums, right? > > "Palace Springs" - by a narrow margin Nah, the CB on Cyclops is more collectible than the Iloki though I had the GWR PS in 1990 I am now stuck with the horrible looking Castle reissue. As a whole PS is more of a treat to new fans like I had been for a couple of years then. But CB is for the veterans...... > > > They were diluting the brand! > > Fair point, well made :-{)> Coke vs. Pepsi- > > I would have wielded Rick-Rubin-like power! > > Eeek! Carl on a power-trip! (Cue Wyndorf gags....?) Now waitaminute I discovered MM long before Carl ever studied Norse! I even had SoG in 1991. > > Oh, for fuck's sake, Dave, you call that an amplifier? Damn, I'll have > someone bring something over .... ;) > > Hear, hear! Too ****ing right - somebody buy the man a Stilleto Deuce or > sump'n! Though I can't play any instruments and ... don't care anymore, but i wish ... Dave Wyndorf wasn't so fat when I saw MM last summer in Oslo! He looked like me... just like me... there with a cigarette playing "Zodiac Lung" on guitar. "Sucking on my daddy's cigar!" Christian ObShite: Soup Dragons "Lovegod" > ChrisW > ObCDs: Studio Zund by Magma > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). > > While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither UB Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. > > UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. > > Thank you. > > UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 09:22:37 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:22:37 +0100 Subject: Anyone record Edinburgh? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ben at TMK.COM Wed Apr 15 09:23:22 2009 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:23:22 -0400 Subject: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904142227h1d06ada7g6327e75177bf5da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Is Ben still alive? I hope I'm still here. :-) And I even noticed that Christian signed up with a new account. I'm waiting to see if he flakes out again before I need to wheel out the Mighty Foot of the Moderator (for stepping on flaming list members, of course). Carry on with your business... Ben From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Apr 15 10:15:17 2009 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's gotta be Damascus Steel! Really great album, and you get a cover of Sword Of The East on there too! Really like all the stuff they've done though. Dave At 03:49 15/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: >I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I >have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and ready >for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping spree >(credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a split CD >with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by MoA: > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) >Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) >Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) >Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) >Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) > >Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? > >Christian > >NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" >ObBand: Dead Moon > >PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with Twink & >Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one who >does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF stuff >like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! > >_________________________________________________________________ >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 10:24:39 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:24:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20090415151355.01e34b80@pop3.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: Cool, a Hawkwind cover. One of my favorites, when it gets all mysterious and you hear the horses.... a centrepiece on Xenon Codex (which I think is one of the best 80s LPs with Huw) I'll have to find out the year of releases on these. Christian NP: Siouxie & The Banshees - "Twice Upon A Time: The Singles" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0100 > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > It's gotta be Damascus Steel! Really great album, and you get a cover of > Sword Of The East on there too! Really like all the stuff they've done > though. > > Dave > > > > > > > > At 03:49 15/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: > >I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I > >have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and ready > >for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping spree > >(credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a split CD > >with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by MoA: > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) > >Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) > >Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) > >Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) > > > >Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? > > > >Christian > > > >NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" > >ObBand: Dead Moon > > > >PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with Twink & > >Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one who > >does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF stuff > >like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Apr 15 11:47:26 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:47:26 +0200 Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos In-Reply-To: <49E4EB5B.6000404@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Excellent pics Alan. As ever !!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:00 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos Hey, latest bunch of photos are now on www.tangledwoof.com Cheers Alan From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 11:56:42 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:56:42 +0200 Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos In-Reply-To: <1Lu7JM-0nQg4W0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Wow, i agree with Bernhard. Nice to see Dave Brock standing up front on the stage and playing guitar/singing instead of hiding behind the keyboards behind an amp/monitor or something. He looks like in good health/spirits. Thats what I wanted to see on the 18th in Oslo. SOB: Christian > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:47:26 +0200 > From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE > Subject: Re: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Excellent pics Alan. As ever !!! > > > Bernhard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Alan Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:00 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos > > Hey, > > latest bunch of photos are now on www.tangledwoof.com > > Cheers > Alan _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 12:48:34 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:48:34 +0200 Subject: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc - Mod mod moderattier In-Reply-To: <20090415132322.GA54387@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: Panache or Pinochet, which side are we on, BOC-L'ers? Us old school Euro-Hawk 1990s listers returning or the dark New ages of Moderated Listserv........ Well, Ben you aint so Grim, and I don't want to know what your Brother looks like. It's clobberin time and you Aint So Big. reply=? "Flame off"! Christian NP: T.S.O.L. - "Beneath The Shadows" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:23:22 -0400 > From: ben at TMK.COM > Subject: Re: The Pirate (edit), Alan Taylor, etc > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Is Ben still alive? I hope > > I'm still here. :-) > > And I even noticed that Christian signed up with a new account. I'm waiting to > see if he flakes out again before I need to wheel out the Mighty Foot of the > Moderator (for stepping on flaming list members, of course). > > Carry on with your business... > > Ben _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 15 13:01:47 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:01:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Apr 2009, at 06:30, Christian Mumford wrote: > As a whole PS is more of a treat to new fans like I had been for a > couple of years then. Palace Springs was one of first two HW CDs I ever owned (the shop had 2; I bought both; the other was the One Way _In Search of Space_ CD) back when I knew virtually nothing about the band. Yeah, I _ought_ to have liked ISoS better, but actually it was Palace Springs that blew me away, especially the sprawling Assault & Battery > Golden Void (however it was titled on that release). That still blows me away. There's a great blend of modern sound and vintage blangafication on that album. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 13:45:52 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:45:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <57D01A81-0797-44F6-859B-928E72279CC5@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I was into some "indie" type stuff like Ned's Atomic Dustbin with all the gaudy computer artwork and such and thought even down to the computer-graphix cover art it was geared at some "rave" type youth fandom. The whole synth sound on that album is real "modern" and as you say the opener kicks ass. I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. I thought Hawkwind were totally where it was "at". I even thought the figure on the front was Robert Calvert and I didn't know he was dead 2 years earlier! I started reading the booklets to find who was doing what and no Bob.... Christian > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:01:47 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 06:30, Christian Mumford wrote: > > As a whole PS is more of a treat to new fans like I had been for a > > couple of years then. > > > Palace Springs was one of first two HW CDs I ever owned (the shop had > 2; I bought both; the other was the One Way _In Search of Space_ CD) > back when I knew virtually nothing about the band. Yeah, I _ought_ > to have liked ISoS better, but actually it was Palace Springs that > blew me away, especially the sprawling Assault & Battery > Golden > Void (however it was titled on that release). That still blows me > away. There's a great blend of modern sound and vintage > blangafication on that album. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 15 15:06:00 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:06:00 +0000 Subject: HW Spring Mini Tour In-Reply-To: <200904151322.n3FDMb3B010480@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi All, Anyone know what the guitar was that Dave was using during WGWTW at Bolton last week? It was all black and looked similar to a Fender Jaguar (I think!) Never seen him use one like that before - also it was the first time I've seen him play harmonica on stage!!!!! (Mirror of Illusion) 'You'd Better Believe It' was amazing! Mick --- On Wed, 15/4/09, M Holmes wrote: > From: M Holmes > Subject: Anyone record Edinburgh? > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 2:22 PM > Someone must have bumped into me and switched off my > recorder, so I only > got half the gig. > > Stormer of a gig though, I'd love to have a full > recording. If anyone > hears of anyone, please point them my way... > > FoFP > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, > registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 15 17:15:48 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder and heavier. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Apr 16 08:37:00 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:37:00 +0000 Subject: nice cover of Beatles tune 'Tomorrow Never Knows', by NAZZ Message-ID: Just passing on a link to NAZZ's site. They ( Stewkey & Otto ) have done a nice cover version of the Beatles tune 'Tomorrow Never Knows', which appeared on Revolver. Otto has also created an accompanying psychedelic video tribute to John Lennon. 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It was one of the first HW ones I had and I thought it was real spooky and strange, real "doom and gloom, eerie like. Stuff like "Children Of The Sun" is like ... were these guys burned or what?? Of course when acid happened to me in 1992 I always played that and "Electric Tepee" when with my pals tripping. I think Hawkwind were the ultimate drug music. Of course I also had the shitty One Way issues which I traded off to Hawkjoe in 1996 when I found the EMI remasters in a store and bought all of them: IMMEDIATELY! Christian NP: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. > > > I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I > never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" > scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- > I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the > arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder > and heavier. :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 16 10:25:26 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:25:26 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days > Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a > compulsion.. I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. > And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. Glad to hear it! Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 10:25:27 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:25:27 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: I still have a soft spot for those old One Way releases. By that time I had begun to despair of ever seeing those early 70s Hawkwind releases on CD - so actually getting my paws on that first Space Ritual CD set was a freaking religious experience for me... (Heck, it still is.) :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Mumford Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 10:08 am Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET I liked XISOS alot. It was one of the first HW ones I had and I thought it was real spooky and strange, real "doom and gloom, eerie like. Stuff like "Children Of The Sun" is like ... were these guys burned or what?? Of course when acid happened to me in 1992 I always played that and "Electric Tepee" when with my pals tripping. I think Hawkwind were the ultimate drug music. Of course I also had the shitty One Way issues which I traded off to Hawkjoe in 1996 when I found the EMI remasters in a store and bought all of them: IMMEDIATELY! Christian NP: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. > > > I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I > never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" > scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- > I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the > arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder > and heavier. :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 11:09:55 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:09:55 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <3322722326.3154461@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I still have a soft spot for those old One Way releases. By that time I had begun to despair of ever seeing those early 70s Hawkwind releases on CD - so actually getting my paws on that first Space Ritual CD set was a freaking religious experience for me... > > (Heck, it still is.) :) > > Steve I didn't get SR until ca. 1993 and it DIDN't strike me as an essential release (Sacrelige!) - I thought i had heard all the songs on it on all the other releases, I have a soft spot for One Way HotMG though.... and the "Stasis" comp! (if we are talking olden days CD releases of early HW). Christian > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Mumford > Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 10:08 am > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I liked XISOS alot. It was one of the first HW ones I had and I thought it was real spooky and strange, real "doom and gloom, eerie like. Stuff like "Children Of The Sun" is like ... were these guys burned or what?? Of course when acid happened to me in 1992 I always played that and "Electric Tepee" when with my pals tripping. I think Hawkwind were the ultimate drug music. Of course I also had the shitty One Way issues which I traded off to Hawkjoe in 1996 when I found the EMI remasters in a store and bought all of them: IMMEDIATELY! > > Christian > > NP: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 > > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > > > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > > > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. > > > > > > I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I > > never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" > > scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- > > I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the > > arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder > > and heavier. :) > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 11:36:36 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:36:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well I ordered Damascus Steel and a couple of others. Looks like it will be GREAT :-) Love the armors and swords. Reminds me of the look of 80s Celtic Frost! Christian NP: Legendary Pink Dots "Hallway Of The Gods" ObCD: The Chameleons "Tripping Dogs" > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:24:39 +0200 > From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Cool, a Hawkwind cover. One of my favorites, when it gets all mysterious and you hear the horses.... a centrepiece on Xenon Codex (which I think is one of the best 80s LPs with Huw) > > I'll have to find out the year of releases on these. > > Christian > > NP: Siouxie & The Banshees - "Twice Upon A Time: The Singles" > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0100 > > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > It's gotta be Damascus Steel! Really great album, and you get a cover of > > Sword Of The East on there too! Really like all the stuff they've done > > though. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:49 15/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: > > >I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I > > >have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and ready > > >for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping spree > > >(credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a split CD > > >with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by MoA: > > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) > > >Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) > > > > > >Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? > > > > > >Christian > > > > > >NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" > > >ObBand: Dead Moon > > > > > >PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with Twink & > > >Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one who > > >does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF stuff > > >like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > > >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 16 11:47:17 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <3322722326.3154461@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 16 Apr 2009, at 09:25, Steve Swann wrote: > I still have a soft spot for those old One Way releases. By that > time I had begun to despair of ever seeing those early 70s Hawkwind > releases on CD - so actually getting my paws on that first Space > Ritual CD set was a freaking religious experience for me... I first had a cassette copy of the SR LPs from someone on the list, which I hastily replaced with the One Way CDs when they came out. I didn't really "get" SR from the cassette, but the CD really opened my ears! I did eventually find with the LPs and got 'em for the cool sleeve, though I doubt I ever played the LPs, not having a record- player by that point! Admittedly, I long ago replaced my One Ways with the EMI re-masters, which I certainly liked better at the time -- and since I don't have the One Ways anymore, I can't fall into the temptation to re-compare as Steve has ;) but every time I listen to the EMIs, I think "Well, that sounds pretty cool", so I expect I'd still be happy with them. :) The opening of "Born to Go" still gives me shivers, and the opening of the "YSDT" encore (whether on the EMI re-master or Stasis or some other comp) still makes me want to jump up and wave my fist in the air. And the SR version of "MotU" is still a howling, unstoppable juggernaut (for all that I was listening to some 80s Huw versions recently and being reminded that they're not bad either). And, turning to Doremi (which I think I first had as a One Way CD), the bass solo on "Time We Left" remains one of mankind's greatest achievements in any field! :) I'm sure Alan Davey would probably agree. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 12:13:30 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:13:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:47:17 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > And the SR version of "MotU" is still a howling, unstoppable > juggernaut (for all that I was listening to some 80s Huw versions > recently and being reminded that they're not bad either). I have real "soft spot" for the Huw live MotU found on the Acid Daze series and various cheez comps.... but then I am a NWOBHM weenie with HW like Steve once proclaimed himself. Christian NP: Psychic TV "Hex Sex: The Singles" ObCD: Turbonegro "Retox" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 16 12:27:25 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:27:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Apr 2009, at 11:13, Christian Mumford wrote: > I have real "soft spot" for the Huw live MotU found on the Acid > Daze series and various cheez comps.... I believe there are also Huw live MOTUs on more or less proper albums like Live '79, Live Chronicles, and Friday Rock Show Sessions .... alas, though I think I have the Acid Daze CDs (I used to have the LPs), I think they are in the States. Can't remember what other versions there are .... Where does the most current version of the mighty HW Codex reside these days? > but then I am a NWOBHM weenie with HW like Steve once proclaimed > himself. ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 12:45:18 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:45:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <5BD5A58E-C900-4606-8E20-5D3156F99EBC@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > I believe there are also Huw live MOTUs on more or less proper albums > like Live '79, Live Chronicles, and Friday Rock Show Sessions .... The Friday Rock Show Sessions CD is probably one of my most played of HW live CDs. Assault & battery, Magnu, Utopia and Masters are awesome on that! Plus Lemmy and Dumpy for the encore.... Live 79 I just ordered the remaster. Its too short! The "Complete 79" is a totally different show. I really like the version of PXR5 on that. Live Chronicles too.... I had the Griffin one wth the Elric novel.... and the Tour prog which I based my "Hawkwind Electric Library" on the art with the eye in the Chaos symbol. Of course its been reprinted for the remaster. Christian _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Apr 16 12:56:38 2009 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:56:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan plays on Mill Hill sessions, Damascus Steel, and In The Name Of God CD's, as well as the Life Is Shit EP. All great! I'm sure you'll enjoy the ones you've purchased! cheers, Dave At 17:36 16/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: >Well I ordered Damascus Steel and a couple of others. Looks like it will >be GREAT :-) Love the armors and swords. Reminds me of the look of 80s >Celtic Frost! > >Christian >NP: Legendary Pink Dots "Hallway Of The Gods" >ObCD: The Chameleons "Tripping Dogs" > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:24:39 +0200 > > From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Cool, a Hawkwind cover. One of my favorites, when it gets all > mysterious and you hear the horses.... a centrepiece on Xenon Codex > (which I think is one of the best 80s LPs with Huw) > > > > I'll have to find out the year of releases on these. > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Siouxie & The Banshees - "Twice Upon A Time: The Singles" > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0100 > > > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > > > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > It's gotta be Damascus Steel! Really great album, and you get a > cover of > > > Sword Of The East on there too! Really like all the stuff they've done > > > though. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:49 15/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: > > > >I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I > > > >have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and > ready > > > >for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping > spree > > > >(credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a > split CD > > > >with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by > MoA: > > > > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) > > > >Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) > > > > > > > >Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? > > > > > > > >Christian > > > > > > > >NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" > > > >ObBand: Dead Moon > > > > > > > >PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with > Twink & > > > >Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one > who > > > >does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF > stuff > > > >like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get > it now! > > > >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 13:05:40 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:05:40 +0200 Subject: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20090416175414.01dba740@pop3.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: > Alan plays on Mill Hill sessions, Damascus Steel, and In The Name Of God > CD's, as well as the Life Is Shit EP. All great! > > I'm sure you'll enjoy the ones you've purchased! > > cheers, Dave Meads Of Asphodel - In the Name of God Welcome to Planet Genocide Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel I got all 4 of these.... And a couple of SPIRITS BURNING CDs. I think I will just lean back, light up, WAIT for a week.... and then... enjoy! Thanks for the pointer.... Christian NP: The Legendary Pink Dots "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By" > > > At 17:36 16/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: > >Well I ordered Damascus Steel and a couple of others. Looks like it will > >be GREAT :-) Love the armors and swords. Reminds me of the look of 80s > >Celtic Frost! > > > >Christian > >NP: Legendary Pink Dots "Hallway Of The Gods" > >ObCD: The Chameleons "Tripping Dogs" > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:24:39 +0200 > > > From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > Cool, a Hawkwind cover. One of my favorites, when it gets all > > mysterious and you hear the horses.... a centrepiece on Xenon Codex > > (which I think is one of the best 80s LPs with Huw) > > > > > > I'll have to find out the year of releases on these. > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > NP: Siouxie & The Banshees - "Twice Upon A Time: The Singles" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0100 > > > > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > > > > Subject: Re: HW: Meads Of Asphodel question > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > > > It's gotta be Damascus Steel! Really great album, and you get a > > cover of > > > > Sword Of The East on there too! Really like all the stuff they've done > > > > though. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:49 15/04/2009 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >I want to get a good introduction to this band featuring Alan Davey. I > > > > >have heard their version of "Utopia" on the Godreah HW tribute and > > ready > > > > >for a "testing the waters" purchase on this months internet shopping > > spree > > > > >(credit card+internet=true love). I think its odd that they did a > > split CD > > > > >with Norwegian Mayhem, though. This is what I found on Amazon USA by > > MoA: > > > > > > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Excommunication of Christ (CD) > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Exhuming The Grave Of Yeshua (CD) > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - The Mill Hill Sessions (CD) > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel - Damascus Steel (CD) > > > > >Meads Of Asphodel/Mayhem - Freezing Moon, Carnage / Jihad (CD) > > > > > > > > > >Any pointers? Is Davey on all of these? > > > > > > > > > >Christian > > > > > > > > > >NP: Motorhead "Another Perfect Day" > > > > >ObBand: Dead Moon > > > > > > > > > >PS: has anyone heard the "Out of The Blues Into the Pink" CD with > > Twink & > > > > >Mouse? Its ok Blues stuff, but the artist Peter Prakownik is the one > > who > > > > >does the current Hawkwind art/logo. Also the cover on various 90s PF > > stuff > > > > >like "Pleasure Island". Real smooth artist! > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get > > it now! > > > > >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 15:12:18 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:12:18 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: You know, I have all the songs on other releases too and yet to me Hawkwind songs almost always find their ultimate expression through live performance. Unlike most rock bands (including many that I really like) where their live performances are just sloppier renditions of their studio work, Hawkwind's music really does come alive in concert. So to me, the best concert recordings from each era will always be the "most essential" HW albums... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Mumford Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 11:12 am Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > I still have a soft spot for those old One Way releases. By that time I had begun to despair of ever seeing those early 70s Hawkwind releases on CD - so actually getting my paws on that first Space Ritual CD set was a freaking religious experience for me... > > (Heck, it still is.) :) > > Steve I didn't get SR until ca. 1993 and it DIDN't strike me as an essential release (Sacrelige!) - I thought i had heard all the songs on it on all the other releases, I have a soft spot for One Way HotMG though.... and the "Stasis" comp! (if we are talking olden days CD releases of early HW). Christian > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Mumford > Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 10:08 am > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I liked XISOS alot. It was one of the first HW ones I had and I thought it was real spooky and strange, real "doom and gloom, eerie like. Stuff like "Children Of The Sun" is like ... were these guys burned or what?? Of course when acid happened to me in 1992 I always played that and "Electric Tepee" when with my pals tripping. I think Hawkwind were the ultimate drug music. Of course I also had the shitty One Way issues which I traded off to Hawkjoe in 1996 when I found the EMI remasters in a store and bought all of them: IMMEDIATELY! > > Christian > > NP: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 > > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > > > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > > > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. > > > > > > I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I > > never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" > > scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- > > I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the > > arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder > > and heavier. :) > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 15:33:02 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:33:02 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <3322739536.3934957@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > You know, I have all the songs on other releases too and yet to me Hawkwind songs almost always find their ultimate expression through live performance. > > Unlike most rock bands (including many that I really like) where their live performances are just sloppier renditions of their studio work, Hawkwind's music really does come alive in concert. So to me, the best concert recordings from each era will always be the "most essential" HW albums... > > Steve I find this to be the example of Here & Now's totally amazing "All Of The Show" LP from 1979 (thanks to the Cole-Man I got this from eBay for 30 bucks THANKYOU MIKE... :-). No songs on it are on any studio recordings, becaue the live show is "the original" recording. Or anything by the group YaHoWa 13 like their "Penetration: An Aquarian Symphony" or "Sonic Portation" LPs which are like "What if... Hawkwind were totally unknown American freaks in the 60s who put out a zillion private live LP pressings and vanished from existence under ground)"... In fact I enjoy bands that ONLY put out live LPs (like H&N & YaHoWa 13)...... and with Hawkwind its always the high watermark eras who put out decent studio stuff AND do an accompanying tour and follow up with live LPs. Its always 1. studio LP/2. tour for that LP/3. live LP from tour (usually a double) in that order. Works for me and totally logical........ Christian ObCD: Zolar X "Timeless" (check out this group if you like Ziggy-era Bowie meets Charisma era Hawkwind) !! > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Mumford > Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 11:12 am > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > I still have a soft spot for those old One Way releases. By that time I had begun to despair of ever seeing those early 70s Hawkwind releases on CD - so actually getting my paws on that first Space Ritual CD set was a freaking religious experience for me... > > > > (Heck, it still is.) :) > > > > Steve > > > I didn't get SR until ca. 1993 and it DIDN't strike me as an essential release (Sacrelige!) - I thought i had heard all the songs on it on all the other releases, I have a soft spot for One Way HotMG though.... and the "Stasis" comp! (if we are talking olden days CD releases of early HW). > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christian Mumford > > Date: Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 10:08 am > > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > I liked XISOS alot. It was one of the first HW ones I had and I thought it was real spooky and strange, real "doom and gloom, eerie like. Stuff like "Children Of The Sun" is like ... were these guys burned or what?? Of course when acid happened to me in 1992 I always played that and "Electric Tepee" when with my pals tripping. I think Hawkwind were the ultimate drug music. Of course I also had the shitty One Way issues which I traded off to Hawkjoe in 1996 when I found the EMI remasters in a store and bought all of them: IMMEDIATELY! > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:48 -0500 > > > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > On 15 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > I think I had XISOS, which I thought was much more "old hippy > > > > gloom" though it didn't bother me as I tasted the likes of Tull and > > > > Marillion before the whole "indie" thing ca. 1990. > > > > > > > > > I was already a raging Tull fan when I got into Hawkwind, though I > > > never really got into Marillion and the rest of the classic "prog" > > > scene. Yeah, there is an "old hippy gloom" vibe to XISOS, though -- > > > I always thought most of what's on it was later improved through the > > > arrival of Lemmy (and Simon King) making everything faster and louder > > > and heavier. :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Carl > > > > > > -- > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 15:33:31 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4F2796E@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> <20090316100415.GP4096@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20090416142526.GE29221@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get my mail and address? yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM To: Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a >> compulsion.. > > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. > >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. > > Glad to hear it! Yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 15:55:56 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:55:56 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Judge Trev, I really enjoyed the Atomgods "Wow!" LP (recommended by Der Coal Meister). I liked it better than "History ReWritten" though... whos the Japanese dude?? Anyway Thanks for being a Famous Artist we all can enjoy the presence of :-) cheers Christian (who asks The Judge if he can put out "Wow" on CDR from the RFM site, cause I'd buy it) > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 > From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get my > mail and address? > > yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes > > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM > To: > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days > >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a > >> compulsion.. > > > > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. > > > >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. > > > > Glad to hear it! Yours, > > Jon > > > > -- > > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 17:39:51 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:39:51 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their own. Hawk While You May DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) cheers, Christian ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 20:22:53 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:22:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: HELP! Deep Freeze Mice in The UK Message-ID: Hoping ANY fans of the Hawks in the UK know this band (doubt) Well, I am looking for: The Deep Freeze Mice - Teenage Head in My Refrigerator (CD) The Deep Freeze Mice - The Gates of Lunch (CD) The Deep Freeze Mice - My Geraniums are Bulletproof (CD) The Deep Freeze Mice - Saw a Ranch House Burning Last Night (CD) They sound like LPD/Soft Boys/Television Personalities combined with terrible prog as played by geek punks! Quintessentially very english 80s underground, they have some reissued CD stuff out on Cordelia Records which I got from CDBaby.com:- The Deep Freeze Mice - Live In Switzerland 1985 (w/bonus live set from UK, 1982) The Deep Freeze Mice - Hang on Constance Let Me Hear the News (w/bonus tracks) The Deep Freeze Mice - War, Famine, Death, Pestilence and Miss Timberlake (w/bonus tracks) But I need the 4 ones on top to complete the discog. Thanks for any help regarding The Deep Freeze Mice UK'ers... (no one has ever heard of them and are described as total shite but I think they are where its "@"!) The singer Alan Jenkins has some CD stuff out with his group The Creams (I have ""ie" which is a Animal rights concept LP about a "murder mystery" which is original enough) and The Thurston Lava Tube, but they are further down the road as its surf rock and more a different type genre than the vomit inducing prog-pop of TDFM. Christian NP: Mot?rhead "Another Perfect Day" _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Apr 16 15:42:19 2009 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:42:19 EDT Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2009 3:13:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, swann1066 at GMAIL.COM writes: Message-ID: > In a message dated 4/16/2009 3:13:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > swann1066 at GMAIL.COM writes: > > Hawkwind performance. > Now you're getting it dude...ya gotta be there. On any given night, you > might see the best concert of your life!!! I saw the 1st and 2nd USA shows > (Philly and NYC), 1973...yea, that's right, I'm an old prick, but I've seen > better HW shows, but I ain't tellin ya which one's they were...GO TO THE > SHOW or YOU BLOW! I was going to the Oslo 18th april show with Hawkwind and Oresund Space Collective but the Hawks cancelled cause they wanted too much money. I blame Swann. Goddamn if I hadnt been a 19 year old ruffian in 1991 at the Oslo show I would have missed the experience of my life (glad I went) :-) Christian M NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > Bill S > > I blame Swann > > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 22:43:57 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:43:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > >\Christian M > NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" The other LP is and was from my experience, quite rare, and in fact I never got my hands on one, I only saw a test-press offered which was too expensive at the time I'd be interested about it myself, regarding the music, and what was it called "messages"?? The players on Fresh Blood are Steve, Huw, Simon and Nic Potter.....Huw is on a few of Nic's albums......btw.... ps-well I guess the BOCL hasn't caused me to go blind myself...; ).... From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 22:51:16 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:51:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904161943m76cad78r96239fe5bfed7974@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:43:57 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey interview > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > >\Christian M > > NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > > > The other LP is and was from my experience, quite rare, and in fact I never > got my hands on one, I only saw a test-press offered which was too expensive > at the time > I'd be interested about it myself, regarding the music, and what was it > called "messages"?? > The players on Fresh Blood are Steve, Huw, Simon and Nic Potter.....Huw is > on a few of Nic's albums......btw.... > ps-well I guess the BOCL hasn't caused me to go blind myself...; ).... Its a group shot on the cover and was released in 1974 (as seen in the Godwin book). Would love to hear Del's "Migration Of The Snails" LP. I got the 1st Widowmaker on cassette with Huw from someone (Big Mike) here on BOCl last summer. Need to send him some money if he ever gets in touch... Christian NP: Skrewdriver "The Best Of Skrewdriver Volume 1) ObCD: Bland Bladen "I Grevens Tid" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 23:04:58 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:04:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > Its a group shot on the cover and was released in 1974 (as seen in the > Godwin book). I seemed to have missed that, and my remaining book is sealed in a Warrior.... > Would love to hear Del's "Migration Of The Snails" LP. you can get a double CD of that from Don Xaliman, do a search, and it comes in neat plastic case which I am sadly missing.... 1st Widowmaker good stuff IMHO From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 23:28:52 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:28:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey interview In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904162004k3a76b90cjbb4fd664302d2b25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Would love to hear Del's "Migration Of The Snails" LP. > > > you can get a double CD of that from Don Xaliman, do a search, and it comes > in neat plastic case which I am sadly missing.... I found a site where they sell both the MEC discs for 24 bucks anywhere in the world. My Paypal agent has been contacted and will wake up ready to blast away the money for me into cyberspace. > 1st Widowmaker good stuff IMHO I can't play cassettes anymore, but what little I heard before my last cassette player broke didn't strike me as anything overly interesting (unlike "Fresh Blood" which I thought was tops). the guy also sent me 2 Mazlyn Jones tapes, one with Nik on it. Ok stuff. Christian _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 00:55:17 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wait a minute I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, somebody will die, I must now force myself Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to be) a farily decent UFO radio-night it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and that is OK your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good I wish I was as old as Bill.... On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their > own. > > Hawk While You May > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > 1980-83 compilation) > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > cheers, > Christian > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 01:14:44 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:14:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904162155l2397eec4y60e87ebac0fc91ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO Movenpick / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or just Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into a magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink Dots" blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wait a minute > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > somebody will die, I must now force myself > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and > that is OK > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their > > own. > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > > 1980-83 compilation) > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > cheers, > > Christian > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 01:22:24 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:22:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm on track 3 I take the Steve Wilson approach to lyrics, so I think this is some of the problem Dude, I have become heralded as a messenger of the future where I live, and if I ever play that 1st track again, which there is a better chance of my commiting suicide, the windows MUST stay shut as I could get physically harmed playing music like that here...... On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO Movenpick > / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or just > Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple > Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into a > magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink Dots" > blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. > > Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wait a minute > > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > > somebody will die, I must now force myself > > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to > > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and > > that is OK > > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I > made > > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he > hated > > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in > mind > > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their > Beatnik > > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock > angle > > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in > Denmark. > > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. > I > > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band > and > > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in > 1980. > > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can > send > > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has > chosen me, > > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of > their > > > own. > > > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > > > 1980-83 compilation) > > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 > compilation) > > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > > > cheers, > > > Christian > > > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 01:29:14 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:29:14 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ANYWAY, Mike, if you want the second disc with "Saucers" and "Andromeda" let me know. I am mailing out 1 set to someone in USA today. The dots are of the same or a similar Exotic flavor as Hawkwind and on most the flavor is not for the flavor of the weak or does things like lessen history of music and will last forEVER :-) "nyak nyak nyak" Christian (an old frail druid who samples the sugar in the morning) > > If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO Movenpick / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or just Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into a magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink Dots" blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. > > Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wait a minute > > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > > somebody will die, I must now force myself > > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to > > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and > > that is OK > > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made > > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated > > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind > > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik > > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle > > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. > > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I > > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and > > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. > > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send > > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, > > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their > > > own. > > > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > > > 1980-83 compilation) > > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > > > cheers, > > > Christian > > > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 01:41:25 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:41:25 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904162222h6473d322qf109a9914b162da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: try track 5 and 10 :-) OUTER SPACE BABY ! > I'm on track 3 > I take the Steve Wilson approach to lyrics, so I think this is some of the > problem > Dude, I have become heralded as a messenger of the future where I live, and > if I ever play that 1st track again, which there is a better chance of my > commiting suicide, the windows MUST stay shut as I could get physically > harmed playing music like that here...... > > > On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO Movenpick > > / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or just > > Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple > > Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into a > > magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink Dots" > > blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. > > > > Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > wait a minute > > > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > > > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > > > somebody will die, I must now force myself > > > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to > > > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > > > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and > > > that is OK > > > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > > > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I > > made > > > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he > > hated > > > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in > > mind > > > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their > > Beatnik > > > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock > > angle > > > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in > > Denmark. > > > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. > > I > > > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band > > and > > > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in > > 1980. > > > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > > > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can > > send > > > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has > > chosen me, > > > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of > > their > > > > own. > > > > > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > > > > 1980-83 compilation) > > > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 > > compilation) > > > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > > > > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 02:53:32 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:53:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Melodic Energy Commission CDs (Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904162004k3a76b90cjbb4fd664302d2b25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > Would love to hear Del's "Migration Of The Snails" LP. > > > you can get a double CD of that from Don Xaliman, do a search, and it comes > in neat plastic case which I am sadly missing.... > 1st Widowmaker good stuff IMHO I got both the MEC CDs and one has the 2 first ones (a double CD set) the other is a new recent one... man, i am getting my Paypal connection Arild (who is a real cool cat) to go on a Hawkwind shopping spree for me this month as well. Order both sets and you get free shipping anywhere in the world. Nice! 24 dollars for both. Mere pennies. Now to wait for those Meads of Aphodel discs to clear. I am knocking myself out here at The Ritz Hotel (nothin going on)! Christian NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 02:57:53 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:57:53 +0200 Subject: HW: Melodic Energy Commission CDs (Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: here: http://melodicenergy.com/sales2.html > > you can get a double CD of that from Don Xaliman, do a search, and it comes > > in neat plastic case which I am sadly missing.... > > 1st Widowmaker good stuff IMHO > > I got both the MEC CDs and one has the 2 first ones (a double CD set) the other is a new recent one... man, i am getting my Paypal connection Arild (who is a real cool cat) to go on a Hawkwind shopping spree for me this month as well. Order both sets and you get free shipping anywhere in the world. Nice! 24 dollars for both. Mere pennies. Now to wait for those Meads of Aphodel discs to clear. I am knocking myself out here at The Ritz Hotel (nothin going on)! > > Christian > NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 17 04:17:46 2009 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Pam & Cliff) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:17:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian, You are making me drool. I'm now going to have to set a playlist with these on it. Is it possible to have too much LPD? I've only 55 albums of theirs :):) This does include a few of the EP's. I believe I need more :) Pam Christian Mumford wrote: > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their own. > > Hawk While You May > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > cheers, > Christian > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 > > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 04:37:23 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:37:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <49E83B2A.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Pam.... Damned if I ain't been Pammed! I have only 42 CDs with the Dotz..... now I'll stop being Spammed by my own posts on this subject......... (and we've traded some good Hawkwind and LPD stuff too....>:) Still driving a Cab around in Boise with Hawkwind pumping on the stereo? Christian NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" ObCD: The Damned "Anything" (which has now been remastered and I really need, being my fave after "The Black Album" and "Strawberries") > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:17:46 -0600 > From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Christian, > You are making me drool. I'm now going to have to set a playlist with > these on it. > Is it possible to have too much LPD? I've only 55 albums of theirs :):) > This does include a few of the EP's. > I believe I need more :) > Pam > > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I made Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he hated it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in mind for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their Beatnik thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock angle (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in Denmark. He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. I cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band and they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in 1980. Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can send some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has chosen me, Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of their own. > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 compilation) > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > cheers, > > Christian > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 06:29:05 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:29:05 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4F2796E@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> <20090316100415.GP4096@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20090416142526.GE29221@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: If I put it out on Real festival Music, I might be abducted and killed by Doug Smith ...unless we can get to him first trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Mumford" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:55 PM To: Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! > Hey Judge Trev, I really enjoyed the Atomgods "Wow!" LP (recommended by > Der Coal Meister). I liked it better than "History ReWritten" though... > whos the Japanese dude?? > > Anyway Thanks for being a Famous Artist we all can enjoy the presence of > :-) > > cheers > Christian (who asks The Judge if he can put out "Wow" on CDR from the RFM > site, cause I'd buy it) > >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 >> From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get my >> mail and address? >> >> yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes >> >> >> trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show >> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: >> >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days >> >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a >> >> compulsion.. >> > >> > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. >> > >> >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. >> > >> > Glad to hear it! Yours, >> > Jon >> > >> > -- >> > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" >> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 06:41:12 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:41:12 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: trev wrote: > If I put it out on Real festival Music, I might be abducted and killed by > Doug Smith > ...unless we can get to him first > trev well Trev, you own the songs don't you (but not the actual record/recordings?)? Lots of songs from "Wow!" were on "Now You Know The Score!" and "MOAB!", both which I liked alot. Can't you pirate and exploit it like "Maximum Effect" or "Naked"? The publishers/Police will never catch me if I reprinted my stuff from Norwegian "MAD Magazine" from 1996 in Aural Innovations like I did with the "One Day At A Record Store" strip from "PYTON" comic (had a print run of 30 000 and paid 300 dollars for story and art and I got Jerry to photocopy it in a fanzine). Does anyone except Doug Smith care about contract? Is he crazy for power over totally (ahem) underground bands getting rights to their stuff back? What I want to know is how Cherry Red procured the rights to ALL HW stuff from all those different labels. Must be hell on earth for DS. Christian NP: Skrewdriver "The Best Of Skrewdriver Volume One" > > Hey Judge Trev, I really enjoyed the Atomgods "Wow!" LP (recommended by > > Der Coal Meister). I liked it better than "History ReWritten" though... > > whos the Japanese dude?? > > > > Anyway Thanks for being a Famous Artist we all can enjoy the presence of > > :-) > > > > cheers > > Christian (who asks The Judge if he can put out "Wow" on CDR from the RFM > > site, cause I'd buy it) > > > >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 > >> From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM > >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > >> hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get my > >> mail and address? > >> > >> yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes > >> > >> > >> trev > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM > >> To: > >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >> >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days > >> >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a > >> >> compulsion.. > >> > > >> > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. > >> > > >> >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. > >> > > >> > Glad to hear it! Yours, > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > -- > >> > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > >> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > >> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 07:07:09 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:07:09 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! In-Reply-To: <126A561607A76D4B90A6B67641C593E922B4F2796E@exdkmbx005.corp.novocorp.net> <20090316100415.GP4096@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20090416142526.GE29221@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: trouble is, lots of rights get sold on to big companies over time..and if the think they can make some money...by any means...they do....so... you have to kill them first! well that's the way ive always done it anyway trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Mumford" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:41 AM To: Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! > trev wrote: >> If I put it out on Real festival Music, I might be abducted and killed by >> Doug Smith >> ...unless we can get to him first >> trev > > > well Trev, you own the songs don't you (but not the actual > record/recordings?)? Lots of songs from "Wow!" were on "Now You Know The > Score!" and "MOAB!", both which I liked alot. Can't you pirate and exploit > it like "Maximum Effect" or "Naked"? The publishers/Police will never > catch me if I reprinted my stuff from Norwegian "MAD Magazine" from 1996 > in Aural Innovations like I did with the "One Day At A Record Store" strip > from "PYTON" comic (had a print run of 30 000 and paid 300 dollars for > story and art and I got Jerry to photocopy it in a fanzine). Does anyone > except Doug Smith care about contract? Is he crazy for power over totally > (ahem) underground bands getting rights to their stuff back? > > What I want to know is how Cherry Red procured the rights to ALL HW stuff > from all those different labels. Must be hell on earth for DS. > > Christian > > NP: Skrewdriver "The Best Of Skrewdriver Volume One" > > >> > Hey Judge Trev, I really enjoyed the Atomgods "Wow!" LP (recommended by >> > Der Coal Meister). I liked it better than "History ReWritten" though... >> > whos the Japanese dude?? >> > >> > Anyway Thanks for being a Famous Artist we all can enjoy the presence >> > of >> > :-) >> > >> > cheers >> > Christian (who asks The Judge if he can put out "Wow" on CDR from the >> > RFM >> > site, cause I'd buy it) >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 >> >> From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM >> >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> >> >> hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get >> >> my >> >> mail and address? >> >> >> >> yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes >> >> >> >> >> >> trev >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM >> >> To: >> >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: >> >> >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days >> >> >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a >> >> >> compulsion.. >> >> > >> >> > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. >> >> > >> >> >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. >> >> > >> >> > Glad to hear it! Yours, >> >> > Jon >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of >> >> > elephants?" >> >> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) >> >> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 08:30:48 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:30:48 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well buy a big knife or something and... GO KILLING in The U.K.! KILL! KILL! KILL! > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:07:09 +0100 > From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > trouble is, lots of rights get sold on to big companies over time..and if > the think they can make some money...by any means...they do....so... > you have to kill them first! > > well that's the way ive always done it anyway > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Christian Mumford" > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:41 AM > To: > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show/All Over the WOw! > > > trev wrote: > >> If I put it out on Real festival Music, I might be abducted and killed by > >> Doug Smith > >> ...unless we can get to him first > >> trev > > > > > > well Trev, you own the songs don't you (but not the actual > > record/recordings?)? Lots of songs from "Wow!" were on "Now You Know The > > Score!" and "MOAB!", both which I liked alot. Can't you pirate and exploit > > it like "Maximum Effect" or "Naked"? The publishers/Police will never > > catch me if I reprinted my stuff from Norwegian "MAD Magazine" from 1996 > > in Aural Innovations like I did with the "One Day At A Record Store" strip > > from "PYTON" comic (had a print run of 30 000 and paid 300 dollars for > > story and art and I got Jerry to photocopy it in a fanzine). Does anyone > > except Doug Smith care about contract? Is he crazy for power over totally > > (ahem) underground bands getting rights to their stuff back? > > > > What I want to know is how Cherry Red procured the rights to ALL HW stuff > > from all those different labels. Must be hell on earth for DS. > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Skrewdriver "The Best Of Skrewdriver Volume One" > > > > > >> > Hey Judge Trev, I really enjoyed the Atomgods "Wow!" LP (recommended by > >> > Der Coal Meister). I liked it better than "History ReWritten" though... > >> > whos the Japanese dude?? > >> > > >> > Anyway Thanks for being a Famous Artist we all can enjoy the presence > >> > of > >> > :-) > >> > > >> > cheers > >> > Christian (who asks The Judge if he can put out "Wow" on CDR from the > >> > RFM > >> > site, cause I'd buy it) > >> > > >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:31 +0100 > >> >> From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM > >> >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > >> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> >> > >> >> hi john, send us the vinyl sleeves or mike will kill you. did you get > >> >> my > >> >> mail and address? > >> >> > >> >> yes dead fred is great and should play...yes yes yes > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> trev > >> >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> >> From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:25 PM > >> >> To: > >> >> Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10:18AM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:04:15 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >> >> >> >Dead Fred won't play live for anyone these days > >> >> >> Dead Fred will play live for anyone you can't stop him, it's a > >> >> >> compulsion.. > >> >> > > >> >> > I stand corrected! Well, slouch, but close. > >> >> > > >> >> >> And as Krankschaft we will be doing gigs this year. > >> >> > > >> >> > Glad to hear it! Yours, > >> >> > Jon > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of > >> >> > elephants?" > >> >> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > >> >> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > >> >> > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 08:50:12 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:50:12 -0500 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904161943m76cad78r96239fe5bfed7974@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I freely confess that I just followed Christian's example and downloaded the Swindell's "Fresh Blood" vinyl rip torrent from Pirate Bay, never having found any other way of hearing the album! (Has it _ever_ been released on CD? Shoot, were I Steve, I think I'd just bootleg myself!). Of course, the most interesting part in some ways is comparing the "Shot Down in the Night" (always one of my fave Hawksongs) with the 'Live '79 version; Swindells himself describes it as "waaay harder, more dramatic and simply better" :) and I can see why, though at the moment I'd say there are points in the song where I'd agree with that, and other points a wouldn't. Cool track, though, and I am re- convinced I should do a cover some time :)). And overall the album is pretty rocking. I do feel like I hear a kind of latter-day Who vibe going on, so I can see how Swindells got the gig writing some tracks for Daltrey (though Daltrey was a fool not to cover SDitN because it totally rocks :)). Who's Nic Potter (bass)? Not Alan Davey's erstwhile cousin Nigel Potter, surely? (Perhaps a bit young at the time, and there's surely more than a few people named "N. Potter" in England :)). Good album, and it's nice to have heard it at last, if only as a vinyl rip on MP3! There's no reason someone shouldn't release it as a digital download, at least. Might make Steve a few quid, after all! :) Cheers, Carl On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:43 , mike coleman wrote: > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: >> >>> \Christian M >> NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > > > The other LP is and was from my experience, quite rare, and in fact > I never > got my hands on one, I only saw a test-press offered which was too > expensive > at the time > I'd be interested about it myself, regarding the music, and what > was it > called "messages"?? > The players on Fresh Blood are Steve, Huw, Simon and Nic > Potter.....Huw is > on a few of Nic's albums......btw.... > ps-well I guess the BOCL hasn't caused me to go blind myself...; ).... > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 08:57:18 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:57:18 +0200 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <66318998-2F95-49F3-8D18-FE997193CBB1@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Nic Potter (I *think*) was in Van Der Graaf Generator on their late 70s era. I thought he played violin........ NP: T.S.O.L. - "Beneath The Shadows" > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:50:12 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I freely confess that I just followed Christian's example and > downloaded the Swindell's "Fresh Blood" vinyl rip torrent from Pirate > Bay, never having found any other way of hearing the album! (Has it > _ever_ been released on CD? Shoot, were I Steve, I think I'd just > bootleg myself!). > > Of course, the most interesting part in some ways is comparing the > "Shot Down in the Night" (always one of my fave Hawksongs) with the > 'Live '79 version; Swindells himself describes it as "waaay harder, > more dramatic and simply better" :) and I can see why, though at the > moment I'd say there are points in the song where I'd agree with > that, and other points a wouldn't. Cool track, though, and I am re- > convinced I should do a cover some time :)). And overall the album > is pretty rocking. I do feel like I hear a kind of latter-day Who > vibe going on, so I can see how Swindells got the gig writing some > tracks for Daltrey (though Daltrey was a fool not to cover SDitN > because it totally rocks :)). > > Who's Nic Potter (bass)? Not Alan Davey's erstwhile cousin Nigel > Potter, surely? (Perhaps a bit young at the time, and there's surely > more than a few people named "N. Potter" in England :)). > > Good album, and it's nice to have heard it at last, if only as a > vinyl rip on MP3! There's no reason someone shouldn't release it as > a digital download, at least. Might make Steve a few quid, after > all! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > > On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:43 , mike coleman wrote: > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> > >>> \Christian M > >> NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > > > > > > The other LP is and was from my experience, quite rare, and in fact > > I never > > got my hands on one, I only saw a test-press offered which was too > > expensive > > at the time > > I'd be interested about it myself, regarding the music, and what > > was it > > called "messages"?? > > The players on Fresh Blood are Steve, Huw, Simon and Nic > > Potter.....Huw is > > on a few of Nic's albums......btw.... > > ps-well I guess the BOCL hasn't caused me to go blind myself...; ).... > > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 17 09:01:17 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:01:17 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <001501c9a827$ce8df310$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: > As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. He > does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone else > I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his leads > in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, > but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. I'd > love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical > journey.... I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry doesn't. I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 09:02:49 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:02:49 -0500 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 07:57 , Christian Mumford wrote: > Nic Potter (I *think*) was in Van Der Graaf Generator on their late > 70s era. I thought he played violin........ Ah, then I have revealed my ignorance! (Easily done .... :)) Yes, Wikipedia assures me that Nic Potter was in Van der Graaf Generator, though it also confirms him as a bass player: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nic_Potter Apparently he played on Swindells's 1974 album _Messages_ as well, though, bizarrely, the Wikipedia entry on him _doesn't_ list his involvement with _Fresh Blood_ (though the Wikipedia page for _Fresh Blood_ does ....). Cheers, Carl ObMP3: Tarot, "Wings of Darkness", _Spell of Iron_, 1986. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 09:07:20 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:07:20 +0200 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <66318998-2F95-49F3-8D18-FE997193CBB1@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl trembled like an old woman and typed while casting an enchantment: > I freely confess that I just followed Christian's example and > downloaded the Swindell's "Fresh Blood" vinyl rip torrent from Pirate > Bay, never having found any other way of hearing the album! (Has it > _ever_ been released on CD? Shoot, were I Steve, I think I'd just > bootleg myself!). > Of course, the most interesting part in some ways is comparing the > "Shot Down in the Night" (always one of my fave Hawksongs) with the > 'Live '79 version; Swindells himself describes it as "waaay harder, > more dramatic and simply better" :) and I can see why, though at the > moment I'd say there are points in the song where I'd agree with > that, and other points a wouldn't. Cool track, though, and I am re- > convinced I should do a cover some time :)). And overall the album > is pretty rocking. I do feel like I hear a kind of latter-day Who > vibe going on, so I can see how Swindells got the gig writing some > tracks for Daltrey (though Daltrey was a fool not to cover SDitN > because it totally rocks :)). > > Who's Nic Potter (bass)? Not Alan Davey's erstwhile cousin Nigel > Potter, surely? (Perhaps a bit young at the time, and there's surely > more than a few people named "N. Potter" in England :)). > > Good album, and it's nice to have heard it at last, if only as a > vinyl rip on MP3! There's no reason someone shouldn't release it as > a digital download, at least. Might make Steve a few quid, after > all! :) I think Swindells has an aura and sheen of cosmopolitan cool in his lyrics, knowing the business and the 'high society' and the underworld alike. Like "Low Life Joe" or the one with the lyric about "an endless trail of Beer and cigarettes"...... and he even innuendo-like brags about being gay in some songs. Damn, I could be that cool! But I ain't gay.... YET! Christian NP: T.S.O.L. - "Beneath the Shadows" > Cheers, > Carl > > > On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:43 , mike coleman wrote: > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> > >>> \Christian M > >> NP: Steve Swindells "Fresh Blood" > > > > > > The other LP is and was from my experience, quite rare, and in fact > > I never > > got my hands on one, I only saw a test-press offered which was too > > expensive > > at the time > > I'd be interested about it myself, regarding the music, and what > > was it > > called "messages"?? > > The players on Fresh Blood are Steve, Huw, Simon and Nic > > Potter.....Huw is > > on a few of Nic's albums......btw.... > > ps-well I guess the BOCL hasn't caused me to go blind myself...; ).... > > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 09:23:22 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:23:22 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <20090417130117.GA32212@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I always thought Huw's leads crawled all over the place and had an ear for him like with Brian May's work with Queen, though not being a musician I don't know if the two are similar in any way, they just do all the awesome leads. Christian NP: Combat 84 "Orders Of The Day" ObCD: Queen + Paul Rodgers "The Cosmos Rocks" > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:01:17 +0100 > From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: > > As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. He > > does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone else > > I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his leads > > in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, > > but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. I'd > > love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical > > journey.... > > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > doesn't. > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, > > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 09:35:31 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:35:31 -0700 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Message-ID: That's interesting. I had just been meaning to ask if anyone could identify what components go into that unique guitar sound that Huw had on 80s Hawkwind live records. Some combination of nonstandard tuning, sound processing, guitar fx? Anyone? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett Date: Friday, Apr 17, 2009 9:02 am Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. He does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone else I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his leads in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. I'd love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical journey.... I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry doesn't. I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 10:29:07 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:29:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial Message-ID: Well, I used to have a cassette of this Sun Dial CD from Randy Abeck of BOC-L way back when in the 90s (this guy I traded massive amounts of spacerock CDs, tapes, VHS tapes, and software with in the mail) ...with Van Der Graaf Generator "Time Vaults" on the b-side - but having virtually everything by Sun Dial I have NEVER seen "Live Drug" sold anywhere, shops, net, NADA. The live version of "Exploding In Your Mind" is Gary Ramon's finest hour. Can someone HELP? This is what I beleive is "everything" by Sun Dial (or at least what I have left and bought recently), and I can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: Sun Dial (as The Modern Art) - All Aboard The Mind Train Sun Dial - Return Journey Sun Dial - Other Way Out Sun Dial - Other Way Out/Other Way In (remaster w/bonus disc (2CD)) Sun Dial - Overspill EP (12" Orange vinyl maxi) Sun Dial - Overspill EP (CD) Sun Dial - Bad Drug CD EP Sun Dial - Reflecter Sun Dial - Fazer CDEP Sun Dial - Libertine Sun Dial - Acid Yantra Sun Dial - Live Drug (CS) Sun Dial - Zen For Sale (2003 LP + bonus 7") Sun Dial - Shards of God - Best Of (CD) Maybe someone (Carl?) can help...? I also need the video of "Fireball" which I saw on MTV 120 Minutes in 1991 which prompted me to buy the "Overspill" single back in a daze of cannabis. HELP! Christian NP: Danzig - "II - Lucifuge" ObCD: Pressurehed - "Explaining The Unexplained" _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 10:29:54 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:29:54 +0100 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <20090318224713.W41MR.238221.root@web08-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> <001501c9a827$ce8df310$6501a8c0@MAJKA> <20090417130117.GA32212@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: never mind the music...where's the vinyl mailers then??? you don't mind being killed by coleman? yes, hugh shone during that era ...a bit like me now...cough! trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:01 PM To: Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: >> As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. >> He >> does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone >> else >> I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his >> leads >> in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, >> but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. >> I'd >> love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical >> journey.... > > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > doesn't. > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, > > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Apr 17 10:35:50 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:35:50 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Message-ID: Whereas most guitar players exclusively use the pentatonic minor (blues) scale when soloing, Huw seems to use all the modes of the major scale, especially the mixolydian, which adds a lot more flavor, as there is more of an exotic feel as "outer" notes are included that don't strictly belong in the key of the song. It's a much more advanced and jazzy approach to things. John Majka > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: >> As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. >> He >> does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone >> else >> I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his >> leads >> in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, >> but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. >> I'd >> love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical >> journey.... > > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > doesn't. > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, > > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 10:44:22 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:44:22 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <003a01c9bf69$ce579f50$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: :-) Mixolydian is rather Jazzy yes- LIKE YES. I think the Burrito Eaton Slaughter Dick is rather Nazzy... with a bit of Stew Lloyd Frampton thrown in. Mixmixmixmixmixup!! up!! UPUP-UP! and AWAYYYYYYY!!!!! > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:35:50 -0400 > From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Whereas most guitar players exclusively use the pentatonic minor (blues) > scale when soloing, Huw seems to use all the modes of the major scale, > especially the mixolydian, which adds a lot more flavor, as there is more of > an exotic feel as "outer" notes are included that don't strictly belong in > the key of the song. It's a much more advanced and jazzy approach to > things. > John Majka > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: > >> As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. > >> He > >> does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone > >> else > >> I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his > >> leads > >> in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, > >> but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. > >> I'd > >> love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical > >> journey.... > > > > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid > > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest > > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for > > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed > > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, > > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. > > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > > doesn't. > > > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, > > > > Jon > > > > -- > > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 10:51:23 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:51:23 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mixolydian is rather Jazzy yes- LIKE YES. Isn't that the shit that bald guys put on their head to try and grow more hair? tj From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 10:58:28 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:58:28 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA2@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: No. Thats Zyprelaphonthrillobyxa with special Micro-tri-state area extradite A1-mix! > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:51:23 -0400 > From: tjackson at SYR.EDU > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Mixolydian is rather Jazzy yes- LIKE YES. > > > Isn't that the shit that bald guys put on their head to try > and grow more hair? > > tj _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 11:33:57 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:33:57 -0700 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Message-ID: Well, that's cool to know. I always thought there was something just fundamentally *different* about the sound of Huw's solos compared to other rock guitarists. I wonder if the same is true of Buck? I know BOC was noted for having jazz trained musicians, and I get some of the same vibe from his soloing... Is Al reading this thread? Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Majka Date: Friday, Apr 17, 2009 10:38 am Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Whereas most guitar players exclusively use the pentatonic minor (blues) scale when soloing, Huw seems to use all the modes of the major scale, especially the mixolydian, which adds a lot more flavor, as there is more of an exotic feel as "outer" notes are included that don't strictly belong in the key of the song. It's a much more advanced and jazzy approach to things. John Majka > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: > As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. > He > does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone > else > I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his > leads > in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, > but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. > I'd > love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical > journey.... > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry doesn't. > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, > Jon > -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 17 11:40:00 2009 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Pam & Cliff) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:40:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh yeah, I'll probably drive cab till they bury me in one:) I've got my iPod now, and an 80gb holds a ton of tunage:) It's great fun!!! Gotta have my daily Dotz , HW & Rush, tho; Along with about 10 or 12 others:) Pam Christian Mumford wrote: > Pam.... > Damned if I ain't been Pammed! I have only 42 CDs with the Dotz..... now I'll stop being Spammed by my own posts on this subject......... > (and we've traded some good Hawkwind and LPD stuff too....>:) Still driving a Cab around in Boise with Hawkwind pumping on the stereo? > > Christian > > NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" > ObCD: The Damned "Anything" (which has now been remastered and I really need, being my fave after "The Black Album" and "Strawberries") > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 11:42:29 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:42:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 09:29, Christian Mumford wrote: > The live version of "Exploding In Your Mind" is Gary Ramon's finest > hour. Can someone HELP? This is what I beleive is "everything" by > Sun Dial (or at least what I have left and bought recently), and I > can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: > [...] > Maybe someone (Carl?) can help...? The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think it's also in the States. My own Sun Dial collection is sadly incomplete, I fear -- which is a crime, since Sun Dial was/is (I'm never sure which ... I think it depends on how Gary Ramon is feeling at the moment!) a stupendous band. I have to figure out how to get Zen Garden and Shards of God .... > I also need the video of "Fireball" which I saw on MTV 120 Minutes > in 1991 which prompted me to buy the "Overspill" single back in a > daze of cannabis. Sun Dial produced a video!? Damn. I've never seen that! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 11:57:02 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:57:02 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <49E8A2D0.2080905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Awesome Pam. Glad to hear you are still working... I thought you had some things about being laid off. I am NOT doing much other than there will be a comic with some of my toons in it published this summer- I haven't been "in print" in any major way since 2000, but '09 looks like a comeback year. Good to hear you are back in business as a cabbie. Damn, my new iPod (a replacement for my 10GB Samsung) is only 8GB but has all of Dead Moon's releases, most of UFO and a bunch of Dead Kennedys bootlegs (about 10) and various Porcupine Tree releases, plus some vinyl rips of Curved Air and som HW shows.... EVERYTHING from The Pirate Bay Org. It contains Nothing from iTunes (except for that the dreaded AutoPlaylist-GeneraTor or whatever making a mess of my music files and the Big MTV-iTunes Box having to empty->refill the WHOLE thing instead of pasting it all in myself custom-like) Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their early stuff, the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 and Moving Pictures. Definetly a cool group....... Christian > Oh yeah, I'll probably drive cab till they bury me in one:) I've got my > iPod now, and an 80gb holds a ton of tunage:) It's great fun!!! > Gotta have my daily Dotz , HW & Rush, tho; Along with about 10 or 12 > others:) > Pam > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > Pam.... > > Damned if I ain't been Pammed! I have only 42 CDs with the Dotz..... now I'll stop being Spammed by my own posts on this subject......... > > (and we've traded some good Hawkwind and LPD stuff too....>:) Still driving a Cab around in Boise with Hawkwind pumping on the stereo? > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" > > ObCD: The Damned "Anything" (which has now been remastered and I really need, being my fave after "The Black Album" and "Strawberries") > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 11:50:09 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:50:09 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <20090417130117.GA32212@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Despite years of pretending to be a musician, my technical knowledge of music is virtually nonexistent :) so I will bow to those with a deeper knowledge of Huw's forays across jazz modes! Still, there is definitely something about Huw that makes him sound like Huw, traversing across the face of the song like some crazed sonic rock climber on a string. In the last weeks, I'm been going back and trying to revisit the bits of "Huwwind" that I have, and even though it _still_ sounds to me like a remarkably distinctive and creative bunch of covers with Huw on board, rather than what is burned in my mind as classic Hawkwind, I have to say that I do appreciate his work with the band! I mean, I can scarecely imagine "Shot Down in the Night" being played without Huw, and my favorite version of "Psy Power" is that rocked up Huw-fueled one (always wanted to cover that, too). And, you're right -- Jerry, for all his evident merits, didn't really seem to bring such a distinctive voice to the proceedings. Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually > paid > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the > rest > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, > for > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on > speed > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these > days, > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the > music. > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > doesn't. > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:18:47 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:18:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm willing to admit that I have a brain tumor in this muscical area, like most women do with Hawkwind and also the general public that has heard them and doesn't get it, but my comment after making it through many tracks, likely the same amount as last time is this 1) that ain't Syd, that's Ed 2) If Syd were alive and I could get a contact for him, I would encourage him that this is a clear cut case of winning a lawsuit over the use of the word "pink", not to mention impostering, whatever else It also ain't Nik on the sax...... On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Awesome Pam. > Glad to hear you are still working... I thought you had some things about > being laid off. I am NOT doing much other than there will be a comic with > some of my toons in it published this summer- I haven't been "in print" in > any major way since 2000, but '09 looks like a comeback year. Good to hear > you > are back in business as a cabbie. Damn, my new iPod (a replacement for my > 10GB Samsung) is only 8GB but has all of Dead > Moon's releases, most of UFO and a bunch of Dead Kennedys bootlegs > (about 10) and various Porcupine Tree releases, plus some vinyl rips of > Curved Air and som HW shows.... EVERYTHING from The > Pirate Bay Org. It contains Nothing from iTunes (except for that the > dreaded AutoPlaylist-GeneraTor or whatever making a mess of my music files > and the Big MTV-iTunes Box having to empty->refill the WHOLE thing instead > of pasting it all in myself custom-like) > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never > 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their early stuff, > the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 and Moving Pictures. > Definetly a cool group....... > > Christian > > > > Oh yeah, I'll probably drive cab till they bury me in one:) I've got my > > iPod now, and an 80gb holds a ton of tunage:) It's great fun!!! > > Gotta have my daily Dotz , HW & Rush, tho; Along with about 10 or 12 > > others:) > > Pam > > > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Pam.... > > > Damned if I ain't been Pammed! I have only 42 CDs with the Dotz..... > now I'll stop being Spammed by my own posts on this subject......... > > > (and we've traded some good Hawkwind and LPD stuff too....>:) Still > driving a Cab around in Boise with Hawkwind pumping on the stereo? > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" > > > ObCD: The Damned "Anything" (which has now been remastered and I really > need, being my fave after "The Black Album" and "Strawberries") > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:21:13 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:21:13 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On 17 Apr 2009, at 09:29, Christian Mumford wrote: > > The live version of "Exploding In Your Mind" is Gary Ramon's finest > > hour. Can someone HELP? This is what I beleive is "everything" by > > Sun Dial (or at least what I have left and bought recently), and I > > can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: > > [...] > > Maybe someone (Carl?) can help...? > > > The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think > it's also in the States. The cassette is dubbed from the CD. If you ever return Stateside I need a CDR badly........!!! > My own Sun Dial collection is sadly incomplete, I fear -- which is a > crime, since Sun Dial was/is (I'm never sure which ... I think it > depends on how Gary Ramon is feeling at the moment!) a stupendous > band. I have to figure out how to get Zen Garden and Shards of God .... Their early years (read: Other Way Out) were definetily the creative peak before he went too experimental with electronics or moved too far away from the guitar-psych format. Though Zen For Sale is more like the rockier stuff (very heavy psych, not techno doldrums of Libertine or whatever he was noodling on about there during that, though the follow up Acid Yantra was a welcome return to the early SD sound...) > > > I also need the video of "Fireball" which I saw on MTV 120 Minutes > > in 1991 which prompted me to buy the "Overspill" single back in a > > daze of cannabis. > > Sun Dial produced a video!? Damn. I've never seen that! Yeah, a cool B&W video. And I also saw a video on 120 Minutes (the annoying face of Paul King haunts me still every now and then here at the Barracks) for Ship Of Fools "L=sD'2" around the same time of that and Ozrics "Sploosh!" was used in a BMW commercial. 1991 was an awesome flash of psychedelia on the "telly".... where the "Crusties" were so smelly. And the Mondays were Happy and the Roses Always Stoney----> Christian NP: Witchcraft "s/t" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:33:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:33:38 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <60CAAE0A-A0C0-471C-948B-3DF82D43B889@carlaz.com> Message-ID: And Huw can even write down what he's just played!!!! imagine that!~!! On 4/17/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Despite years of pretending to be a musician, my technical knowledge of > music is virtually nonexistent :) so I will bow to those with a deeper > knowledge of Huw's forays across jazz modes! Still, there is definitely > something about Huw that makes him sound like Huw, traversing across the > face of the song like some crazed sonic rock climber on a string. In the > last weeks, I'm been going back and trying to revisit the bits of "Huwwind" > that I have, and even though it _still_ sounds to me like a remarkably > distinctive and creative bunch of covers with Huw on board, rather than what > is burned in my mind as classic Hawkwind, I have to say that I do appreciate > his work with the band! I mean, I can scarecely imagine "Shot Down in the > Night" being played without Huw, and my favorite version of "Psy Power" is > that rocked up Huw-fueled one (always wanted to cover that, too). > > And, you're right -- Jerry, for all his evident merits, didn't really seem > to bring such a distinctive voice to the proceedings. > > Cheers, > Carl > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >> I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble >> register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ >> `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid >> some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest >> of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting >> across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds >> really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for >> me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This >> is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really >> replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed >> and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much >> like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of >> his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, >> but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. >> And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry >> doesn't. >> >> I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe >> someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. >> > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:34:05 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:34:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904170918h5bd8f85as1d8418b4e4c9f70a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How I was Introduced, Mike: Legendary Pink Dots, So What! Oslo, Norway, April 22, 1998 by Christian Mumford >From Aural Innovations #3 (July 1998) Well, this was quite an experience. In fact such an excellent one it's a little hard to comprehend where my mind(s) split during this incredible performance. Not having heard this band before, I went on a gut feeling that I had to be there come Hell or high water. And I am glad I did, as this was in fact the best live show I've experienced to date. To backtrack a bit, I arrived at the half empty venue, progressively drowning in a hellish cacophony the deeper down the stairs I wandered. I feared The Legendary Pink Dots had already started, but I was soon assured "uh.. no, its the... er... other one" at the entrance as I paid, asking if they already had started playing. I bought a beer, and wandered closer, trying to catch a glimpse of this curious opening band - but the stage was empty apart from the instruments. A druggy mideastern techno-groove was wandering off on its own, seemingly on automatic, yet layered with random knob twiddly synths, amidst the hollering distorted voice of something akin to a televangelist on LSD. A spastically dancing young man in a red feather boa suddenly dashed from behind the synths, happily threatening the audience with a curiously shaped chrome flashlight, and went on to explain how it was aquired the previous night in Copenhagen, and how in fact it was designed for maximum relaxation, "with a triple X" we were led to beleive. He then proceeded to play a fairly "experimental" guitar solo with this object, as he assured us we were slowly becoming fully relaxed with the aid of the combined objects' ecstatic efforts. The fellow proceeded to make the rounds with all the instruments with his suspect device, grimacing, dancing, hollering, setting off loops and backing tracks at a frantic pace, distorting the whole place with obscure electronic gadgets (including one of those primitive antennae-like synths which produce mindsplitting squeaks), repeatedly assuring us that we needed his therapeutic records for the princely sum of just one hundred herrings each, availible at the venue. Musically some parts were actually quite good, particularly the less chaotic, more rhythmic parts which got into trancey, oriental Ozric Tentacles territory, and some thundering drum solos. He topped that bit off with an extremely bizarre flutist-parody, miming with a stick of some kind, with a strange googly-eyed grimace, which had everone cracking up, and then he closed off his set miming and dancing to a very happy song, disturbingly assuring us "I am sane because I am happy". And indeed the audience had become quite sane by that time. All that was missing were a group of giggling little pixies, though the side-splitting one-man effort deserves a gold star award in my book. It was time to synchronize with a beer. About 15 minutes later, The Legendary Pink Dots entered the stage, and the young man had relieved himself of the fluffy feather boa and revealed himself as the bands' drummer/bassist. It kicked off into space immediately, courtesy of a sleazy post-apocalyptic ragtag, pale and barefooted Syd Barrett-meets-Andrew Eldritch frontman with a snotty English voice, an eccentric sax/wind player in the best Nik Turner/Bloomdido Bad DeGrasse school of dress, plus a startlingly normal looking guitarist and an equally anonymous looking synth player. It's from this point on that words become rather limiting as descriptive. I suppose Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come and Radio Gnome-era Gong, even mid-late 70's new wave-era Hawkwind, are good points of musical reference, with cosmic lyrics to match yet sometimes within the framework of the mundane - sinister and psychedelic in every sense of the word and all run through an array of at least a dozen F/X pedals and devices lined up on the stage. Jazz, rock, techno, whatever you want it to be - all at once, yet nothing like any of it. Smoke billowed out at all the right junctions, lights flashing and twisting, creating a multicolored tapestry of swirling stars and planets when required, and sucked into this magical world they spun around the front of the stage, it became clear that these guys were delivering more than plain old music - it was pure experience and pure energy from the creative Source. The shaded frontman (AKA Edward Ka-Spel, as further investigation has led me to believe) went into several great monologues, theatrical without pretensions, going with the music rather than against it, as the band grooved on, weaving aural patterns dissolving in and out of space, and commanding complete utter attention in mesmerizing intimacy with the audience. At some point the extended jams timelessly reached a single climax as Mr. Ka-Spel assaulted the keyboard violently (thankfully without a knife), then he jerkily scrambled to maniacally twiddle every knob on the Korg simultaneously with the already frantic synth guy, as if they in unison had to find that perfect streeeetchy squeak before the universe imploded - or perhaps the reverse was their mission - just tweak the bugger outwards bit by bit 'till it cracks. In a flash of utter chaos everything came crashing in like a mountain of Skinny Puppy CD's being played simultaeneously at ground zero (or perhaps it was like being pounded to orange marmelade by a herd of mammoths being chased into the Wall of China by a 5000 ton runaway freight train brimming with nitroglyserin, memory gets hazy and words fail me). The Legendary Pink Dots left the stage as a few stray blips and feedback echoes desperately tried to find their way into space and our ears by themselves, and my head was rapidly melting Jell-O. But of course the band returned for an encore of more fantastic playing and hypnotic jams, which seemed to last as long as the first set. I've no idea how long they played altogether. Maybe 2-3 hours, time was effectively eliminated in the space they created. When they were through, I left in a hypnotic daze - I only had 2 beers, but I felt like they'd been spiked with 2 hits of acid and then I'd been violently trepanned for the impeding cosmic rapture - my brain had dissolved and reassembled itself with a fresh whistle by this crew of head merchants, and I walked home feeling very electric, only regretting not having enough herrings in my pocket to pick up some of their CD's. But rest assured, by this time I have. I would not want a tape of this show for all the world - why reduce something as sublime and complete as this into mere audio on disposable plastic junk? Might as well be audience to whistling primates catching a free cold on the way to work. Postscript: having now sampled The Legendary Pink Dots' music, a massive catalogue of releases of varying style and quality, spanning nearly twenty years, I thoroughly recommend "Hallway Of The Gods" (1995) and "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By" (1997), the former with one of the most memorable highlights from the show, the stokingly awesome "The Saucers Are Coming". Be prepared. > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:18:47 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I'm willing to admit that I have a brain tumor in this muscical area, like > most women do with Hawkwind and also the general public that has heard them > and doesn't get it, but my comment after making it through many tracks, > likely the same amount as last time is this > 1) that ain't Syd, that's Ed > 2) If Syd were alive and I could get a contact for him, I would encourage > him that this is a clear cut case of winning a lawsuit over the use of the > word "pink", not to mention impostering, whatever else > It also ain't Nik on the sax...... > > > On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Awesome Pam. > > Glad to hear you are still working... I thought you had some things about > > being laid off. I am NOT doing much other than there will be a comic with > > some of my toons in it published this summer- I haven't been "in print" in > > any major way since 2000, but '09 looks like a comeback year. Good to hear > > you > > are back in business as a cabbie. Damn, my new iPod (a replacement for my > > 10GB Samsung) is only 8GB but has all of Dead > > Moon's releases, most of UFO and a bunch of Dead Kennedys bootlegs > > (about 10) and various Porcupine Tree releases, plus some vinyl rips of > > Curved Air and som HW shows.... EVERYTHING from The > > Pirate Bay Org. It contains Nothing from iTunes (except for that the > > dreaded AutoPlaylist-GeneraTor or whatever making a mess of my music files > > and the Big MTV-iTunes Box having to empty->refill the WHOLE thing instead > > of pasting it all in myself custom-like) > > > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never > > 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their early stuff, > > the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 and Moving Pictures. > > Definetly a cool group....... > > > > Christian > > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'll probably drive cab till they bury me in one:) I've got my > > > iPod now, and an 80gb holds a ton of tunage:) It's great fun!!! > > > Gotta have my daily Dotz , HW & Rush, tho; Along with about 10 or 12 > > > others:) > > > Pam > > > > > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Pam.... > > > > Damned if I ain't been Pammed! I have only 42 CDs with the Dotz..... > > now I'll stop being Spammed by my own posts on this subject......... > > > > (and we've traded some good Hawkwind and LPD stuff too....>:) Still > > driving a Cab around in Boise with Hawkwind pumping on the stereo? > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > NP: Raga Rockers "Raga's Beste" > > > > ObCD: The Damned "Anything" (which has now been remastered and I really > > need, being my fave after "The Black Album" and "Strawberries") > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 12:38:46 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:38:46 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <60CAAE0A-A0C0-471C-948B-3DF82D43B889@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Funny you guys are so into this modal thing without anyone mentioning Buck Dharma, who's an early proponent of modal playing, although I think he kind of discovered it by accident. I'm pretty sure Buck's self-taught. No idea about Huw... tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:50 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Despite years of pretending to be a musician, my technical knowledge of music is virtually nonexistent :) so I will bow to those with a deeper knowledge of Huw's forays across jazz modes! Still, there is definitely something about Huw that makes him sound like Huw, traversing across the face of the song like some crazed sonic rock climber on a string. In the last weeks, I'm been going back and trying to revisit the bits of "Huwwind" that I have, and even though it _still_ sounds to me like a remarkably distinctive and creative bunch of covers with Huw on board, rather than what is burned in my mind as classic Hawkwind, I have to say that I do appreciate his work with the band! I mean, I can scarecely imagine "Shot Down in the Night" being played without Huw, and my favorite version of "Psy Power" is that rocked up Huw-fueled one (always wanted to cover that, too). And, you're right -- Jerry, for all his evident merits, didn't really seem to bring such a distinctive voice to the proceedings. Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble > register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ > `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually > paid > some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the > rest > of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting > across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds > really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, > for > me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This > is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really > replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on > speed > and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much > like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of > his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these > days, > but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the > music. > And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry > doesn't. > > I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe > someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 12:40:49 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:40:49 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <3322812836.5208530@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if the same is true of Buck? I know BOC was noted for having jazz trained musicians, and I get some of the same vibe from his soloing... Is Al reading this thread? I know that Joe is a schooled musician, and pretty sure Al is too. Allen Lanier, most likely, as most keyboardists are. But Buck and Eric, I'm pretty sure, are self-taught... tj From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 12:42:04 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:42:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never 'caught onto' way back when. Well, you did hear the 'singer,' right? Case closed... tj From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:55:52 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA5@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On 4/17/09, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never > 'caught onto' way back when. > > Well, you did hear the 'singer,' right? > Case closed... I you refer to Eddy, I mean Geddy, my ejected-down-the-floor-chute, ex-friend, once described it as "vice grip firmly on left testicle" From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 12:59:11 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:59:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA5@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: I enjoy the vocals of Geddy Lee... totally "prog" and the SF / S&S lyrics. Strikes a chord... The Great UniChord of Der Ubermensch. Back then I couldn't stomach Iron Maiden at all though but Rush were "closer to home". Now I still say The Beast D'Anno is much cooler than Dickinson (who I couldn't stand on "Run To the Hills")......... NP: The Damned "Strawberries (Deluxe Edition)" > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:42:04 -0400 > From: tjackson at SYR.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never 'caught onto' way back when. > > > Well, you did hear the 'singer,' right? > Case closed... > > > tj _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 13:05:36 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:05:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904170955x2a2ddacale424b491c1211d44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dunno about that. I figured it was a visitor from space... tj -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots On 4/17/09, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never > 'caught onto' way back when. > > Well, you did hear the 'singer,' right? > Case closed... I you refer to Eddy, I mean Geddy, my ejected-down-the-floor-chute, ex-friend, once described it as "vice grip firmly on left testicle" From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 13:16:52 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:16:52 +0200 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904170955x2a2ddacale424b491c1211d44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can refer to my imaginary friend --- WELL refer to him as "Mister" Ed. "a horse is a horse of course of course" - like my stamp collection when I was a kid, i had a Russian race horse stamp and a Hong Kong sea horse stamp.... "a horse is a horse of course of course"... "mister Ed"... Edward The Great=Eddy The Monster... D'oh! Christian > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:55:52 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 4/17/09, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > > > > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never > > 'caught onto' way back when. > > > > Well, you did hear the 'singer,' right? > > Case closed... > > > I you refer to Eddy, I mean Geddy, my ejected-down-the-floor-chute, > ex-friend, once described it as "vice grip firmly on left testicle" _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:20:54 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:20:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:57, Christian Mumford wrote: > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and > never 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their > early stuff, the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 > and Moving Pictures. Definetly a cool group....... My experience is similar. I have a "greatest hits" compilation, and I definitely appreciate the band's talents -- they have some great tracks -- but somehow I just never got the fire for them. (And that's despite Geddy Lee's status as an occasional Rick bass wielder! Though he's a Fender flag-carrier nowadays, which is much less interesting.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:21:17 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:21:17 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904170933r391c772ck8444eea99d11ac99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And I can't even play what I've just played! :) Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:33, mike coleman wrote: > And Huw can even write down what he's just played!!!! imagine that! > ~!! > > > > On 4/17/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> Despite years of pretending to be a musician, my technical >> knowledge of >> music is virtually nonexistent :) so I will bow to those with a >> deeper >> knowledge of Huw's forays across jazz modes! Still, there is >> definitely >> something about Huw that makes him sound like Huw, traversing >> across the >> face of the song like some crazed sonic rock climber on a string. >> In the >> last weeks, I'm been going back and trying to revisit the bits of >> "Huwwind" >> that I have, and even though it _still_ sounds to me like a >> remarkably >> distinctive and creative bunch of covers with Huw on board, rather >> than what >> is burned in my mind as classic Hawkwind, I have to say that I do >> appreciate >> his work with the band! I mean, I can scarecely imagine "Shot >> Down in the >> Night" being played without Huw, and my favorite version of "Psy >> Power" is >> that rocked up Huw-fueled one (always wanted to cover that, too). >> >> And, you're right -- Jerry, for all his evident merits, didn't >> really seem >> to bring such a distinctive voice to the proceedings. >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> >>> I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble >>> register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ >>> `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she >>> actually paid >>> some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as >>> the rest >>> of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting >>> across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but >>> sounds >>> really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this >>> is, for >>> me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. >>> This >>> is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really >>> replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on >>> speed >>> and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else >>> (much >>> like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly >>> because of >>> his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance >>> these days, >>> but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the >>> music. >>> And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry >>> doesn't. >>> >>> I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but >>> maybe >>> someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. >>> >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:26:37 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:26:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:59, Christian Mumford wrote: > Back then I couldn't stomach Iron Maiden at all though but Rush > were "closer to home". Now I still say The Beast D'Anno is much > cooler than Dickinson (who I couldn't stand on "Run To the > Hills")......... I never liked Maiden "back in the day"; I was too cool for all that Spandex! :) However, Dickinson's _The Chemical Wedding_ solo album totally blew me away when someone finally forced me down in order to play it to me. It still took me several years after that to kind of warm up to Maiden, but now I kinda dig them -- though, bizarrely, I tend to like their recent material more than the "classic" stuff from the 80s (maybe the Spandex is still bugging me! ;). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:28:39 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:28:39 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA3@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Though I kind of _expect_ Buck to be technically accomplished and throwing jazzy stuff in there. It's more surprising in Hawkwind. :) Meanwhile, I would _guess_ that Huw is self-taught. (And IMO he's like a totally different guitarist when he returns in the 80s, in comparison to his contributions on the first album). Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:38, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > Funny you guys are so into this modal thing > without anyone mentioning Buck Dharma, who's > an early proponent of modal playing, although > I think he kind of discovered it by accident. > I'm pretty sure Buck's self-taught. No idea > about Huw... -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:39:46 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:39:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Christian Mumford wrote: >> The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think >> it's also in the States. > > The cassette is dubbed from the CD. If you ever return Stateside I > need a CDR badly........!!! Ah, right! OK, I'll keep that in mind. I will _eventually_ get my CDs sent to me, or carried over, and that _might_ happen sometime in the next year -- but the time lines are hazy. > Their early years (read: Other Way Out) were definetily the > creative peak before he went too experimental with electronics or > moved too far away from the guitar-psych format. Though Zen For > Sale is more like the rockier stuff (very heavy psych, not techno > doldrums of Libertine or whatever he was noodling on about there > during that, though the follow up Acid Yantra was a welcome return > to the early SD sound...) I felt like the Libertine-era stuff was kind of a half-arsed effort to drift into the Brit-pop scene, though confused by some kind of weird techno obsession of the sort which weighed down Hawkwind in the 90s ... And in another slightly different universe, that might have worked for Sun Dial, at least in the short term, though I'm sort of glad it didn't! I think I heard some Zen for Sale stuff via MySpace or something, and it did seem like one of those much-heralded-and- seldom-received "returns to form", as with Acid Yantra (which I do have, though it's probably also stashed in the States). > Yeah, a cool B&W video. And I also saw a video on 120 Minutes (the > annoying face of Paul King haunts me still every now and then here > at the Barracks) for Ship Of Fools "L=sD'2" around the same time > of that and Ozrics "Sploosh!" was used in a BMW commercial. 1991 > was an awesome flash of psychedelia on the "telly".... where the > "Crusties" were so smelly. And the Mondays were Happy and the Roses > Always Stoney----> I'm actually one of those weird people who kinda likes bits of the second/final Stone Roses album. "Love Spreads" has a cool riff, with a kind of "psychedelic Zep" thing going on .... Actually, I always felt that Libertine-era Sun Dial wanted to do a Stone Roses kind of thing, though luckily (for us) they had too much cred ... or something! ;) Cheers, Carl > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 13:49:30 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:49:30 +0200 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I read somewhere that Huw was indeed self-taught. Christian > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:28:39 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Though I kind of _expect_ Buck to be technically accomplished and > throwing jazzy stuff in there. It's more surprising in Hawkwind. :) > > Meanwhile, I would _guess_ that Huw is self-taught. (And IMO he's > like a totally different guitarist when he returns in the 80s, in > comparison to his contributions on the first album). > > Cheers, > Carl > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:38, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > > Funny you guys are so into this modal thing > > without anyone mentioning Buck Dharma, who's > > an early proponent of modal playing, although > > I think he kind of discovered it by accident. > > I'm pretty sure Buck's self-taught. No idea > > about Huw... > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 13:51:21 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:51:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <171D3F55-EA7F-487B-811D-8CAC120FCB7E@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:59, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Back then I couldn't stomach Iron Maiden at all though but Rush > > were "closer to home". Now I still say The Beast D'Anno is much > > cooler than Dickinson (who I couldn't stand on "Run To the > > Hills")......... > > > I never liked Maiden "back in the day"; I was too cool for all that > Spandex! :) I NEVER liked Maiden back in the "day" though i liked the LP art. Now i listen to "Murders In The Rue Morgue" once in awhile and think "that Di'Anno dude was one Twisted MF". Though "Number Of The Beast" with Dickinson's debut is a strong effort either way, more "constructed" mythos than Di'Annos demented punk snarl could bring forth. > However, Dickinson's _The Chemical Wedding_ solo album totally blew > me away when someone finally forced me down in order to play it to > me. It still took me several years after that to kind of warm up to > Maiden, but now I kinda dig them -- though, bizarrely, I tend to like > their recent material more than the "classic" stuff from the 80s > (maybe the Spandex is still bugging me! ;). the recent Iron Maiden stuff strikes me as the "elder statesmen" plundering the prog market years of Dickinson & co. Christian _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 13:55:43 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:55:43 -0700 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) Message-ID: When I was a science fiction and mythology obsessed 12 year old, I thought there was nothing better in the whole damn world. My Rush fandom hasn't aged so well though... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Friday, Apr 17, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:57, Christian Mumford wrote: Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their early stuff, the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 and Moving Pictures. Definetly a cool group....... My experience is similar. I have a "greatest hits" compilation, and I definitely appreciate the band's talents -- they have some great tracks -- but somehow I just never got the fire for them. (And that's despite Geddy Lee's status as an occasional Rick bass wielder! Though he's a Fender flag-carrier nowadays, which is much less interesting.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 13:45:56 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:45:56 -0500 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:07, Christian Mumford wrote: > I think Swindells has an aura and sheen of cosmopolitan cool in his > lyrics, knowing the business and the 'high society' and the > underworld alike. Like "Low Life Joe" or the one with the lyric > about "an endless trail of Beer and cigarettes"...... and he even > innuendo-like brags about being gay in some songs. Damn, I could be > that cool! But I ain't gay.... YET! The gay community may well draw a collective sigh of relief at that .... ;) Strangely enough, when I think of the subject matter on "Fresh Blood", the idea of Lemmy as a should-have-been co-conspirator springs to mind! Now imagine _that_ band: Huw, Lemmy, and Simon King, along with Steve Swindells. I mean, it might well have killed Huw dead right there in 1980 ;) but just imagine the Lemmy/King rhythm section powering through "Shot Down in the Night", with Huw slashing away over it! It'd be like a strange Mot?rwind that never was -- with Swindells's strangely music hall organ vamps stabbing over it! Far out .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 14:05:42 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:05:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <3322821343.5438219@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > When I was a science fiction and mythology obsessed 12 year old, I thought > there was nothing better in the whole damn world. My Rush fandom hasn't > aged so well though... > Steve I think this is an example of what could have happened if Hawkwind became, or remained, a U.S. household name just got too big Will always like them, but as a Rush-obsessed 13 year old in the late 70's, the transitioning was just too much I agree (remarkably?) with Christian regarding his Iron Maiden sentiments but give me Megadeth "Killing Is My Business" (which it is, ask Trev) and down the hatch with the spandies all together... From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 14:02:40 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:02:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 12:51, Christian Mumford wrote: > the recent Iron Maiden stuff strikes me as the "elder statesmen" > plundering the prog market years of Dickinson & co. But I think they do a pretty good job of it as proggy metallic elder statesmen ... :) I don't think they'd be very convincing trying to pass themselves off as punky proto-NWOBHM Peter Pans :) but they are what the are, and they good at that, I think! (One of the things that irks me about 2?C is that they don't seem to actually have a reason for being, whatever it might be. And Hawkwind's reason for being seems to rest largely on whether Dave Brock says it has a reason, whatever that reason might be, not that he'll tell anyone ....) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 14:19:53 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:19:53 +0200 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <2504ACEC-565B-4B36-A8C5-B8EA2CBC7231@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:07, Christian Mumford wrote: > > I think Swindells has an aura and sheen of cosmopolitan cool in his > > lyrics, knowing the business and the 'high society' and the > > underworld alike. Like "Low Life Joe" or the one with the lyric > > about "an endless trail of Beer and cigarettes"...... and he even > > innuendo-like brags about being gay in some songs. Damn, I could be > > that cool! But I ain't gay.... YET! > > > The gay community may well draw a collective sigh of relief at > that .... ;) Well, there is always a certain Turbonegro who would reject my feelings as I age here in the projects of Norway (if I ever would have been friends with them).... I enoy their over the top flirtations with all that shit but could never imagine "taking the step beyond girls". I'd rather just grow into an old man and masturbate forever with all the fantasies of an imaginative loner than commiting gay sex. I have gay friends from art school and one dude just died from AIDS (or at least the MySpace was taken down a year after he told me in an email that he had develooped AIDS). Mike 'n' Adam, Brooklyn NYC. I even had those two work with me on a book (doing pencil art on a chapter and some shit). Adam made it drawing super heroes for DC and Marvel, his boyhood dream. Wish I was that good at pencils I could do muscles and architecture.... > Strangely enough, when I think of the subject matter on "Fresh > Blood", the idea of Lemmy as a should-have-been co-conspirator > springs to mind! Now imagine _that_ band: Huw, Lemmy, and Simon > King, along with Steve Swindells. I mean, it might well have killed > Huw dead right there in 1980 ;) but just imagine the Lemmy/King > rhythm section powering through "Shot Down in the Night", with Huw > slashing away over it! It'd be like a strange Mot?rwind that never > was -- with Swindells's strangely music hall organ vamps stabbing > over it! Far out .... Thats totally Bizarre. I think you need to see a shrink or some shit, or lay off the psychedelics. Well actually, i'll chime in with a title - if it's a concept LP about Lemmy it could be called "Tanz Der Lemmy" and be about his totally over-the-top feelings as a guy flirting with Nazism so he could live forever. Christian > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 14:42:54 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:42:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh carl, I want you to know that I have no idea what Iron Maiden are beyond say "Piece Of Mind", other than I saw them on that giganta tour with the smoking brain, because to me, the plastic I was being handed with that LP went deeper than the vinyl itself I just meant I'll take Paul's vocals over the the latter ones Given my way, I would have given those guys the 'Another Perfect day' Robbo-innersleeve-3-chord-instruction too many notes in a classical? fashion going on in that band for me, so out of any IM conversation I must go peace On 4/17/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 12:51, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> the recent Iron Maiden stuff strikes me as the "elder statesmen" >> plundering the prog market years of Dickinson & co. >> > > > But I think they do a pretty good job of it as proggy metallic elder > statesmen ... :) I don't think they'd be very convincing trying to pass > themselves off as punky proto-NWOBHM Peter Pans :) but they are what the > are, and they good at that, I think! > > (One of the things that irks me about 2?C is that they don't seem to > actually have a reason for being, whatever it might be. And Hawkwind's > reason for being seems to rest largely on whether Dave Brock says it has a > reason, whatever that reason might be, not that he'll tell anyone ....) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 14:57:37 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:57:37 -0500 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Christian Mumford wrote: > if it's a concept LP about Lemmy it could be called "Tanz Der > Lemmy" and be about his totally over-the-top feelings as a guy > flirting with Nazism so he could live forever. Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 15:30:31 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:30:31 +0200 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: <63682CF9-A06F-491E-91E2-E325E633DAE9@carlaz.com> Message-ID: It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! Christian NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:00:30 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:00:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) Message-ID: Dickinson is a real freakin' renaissance man - singer, fencer, pilot, history and literary buff... He's what I imagine myself like when I daydream about doing something with my life ;-) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Mumford Date: Friday, Apr 17, 2009 1:53 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:59, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Back then I couldn't stomach Iron Maiden at all though but Rush > > were "closer to home". Now I still say The Beast D'Anno is much > > cooler than Dickinson (who I couldn't stand on "Run To the > > Hills")......... > > > I never liked Maiden "back in the day"; I was too cool for all that > Spandex! :) I NEVER liked Maiden back in the "day" though i liked the LP art. Now i listen to "Murders In The Rue Morgue" once in awhile and think "that Di'Anno dude was one Twisted MF". Though "Number Of The Beast" with Dickinson's debut is a strong effort either way, more "constructed" mythos than Di'Annos demented punk snarl could bring forth. > However, Dickinson's _The Chemical Wedding_ solo album totally blew > me away when someone finally forced me down in order to play it to > me. It still took me several years after that to kind of warm up to > Maiden, but now I kinda dig them -- though, bizarrely, I tend to like > their recent material more than the "classic" stuff from the 80s > (maybe the Spandex is still bugging me! ;). the recent Iron Maiden stuff strikes me as the "elder statesmen" plundering the prog market years of Dickinson & co. Christian _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Apr 17 16:00:48 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:00:48 -0700 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Permanent Waves" is another essential one. I have a black and white 4001 Ricky. ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:20:54 PM Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:57, Christian Mumford wrote: > Rush is a band I heard much from friends who listened to them and never 'caught onto' way back when. I just a few years ago got their early stuff, the remasters real cheap. My faves are the 1st, 2112 and Moving Pictures. Definetly a cool group....... My experience is similar. I have a "greatest hits" compilation, and I definitely appreciate the band's talents -- they have some great tracks -- but somehow I just never got the fire for them. (And that's despite Geddy Lee's status as an occasional Rick bass wielder!? Though he's a Fender flag-carrier nowadays, which is much less interesting.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:09:55 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:09:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <357010.91243.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/09, gary shindler wrote: > > "Permanent Waves" is another essential one. I have a black and white 4001 > Ricky. My copy was still warm when I got it, and that wonderful new rush album smell I have a PHYSICAL NEED to hear Natural Science again, you just reminded me, how to handle this quickly as you see, there are always bigger fish, and I will soon be dead From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:11:26 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:11:26 -0700 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) Message-ID: Now's as good a time as any to get into them. In the past decade, they've done some of best work of their career, including what I think is the single greatest song of their career (Paschendale). Steve -----Original Message----- From: mike coleman Date: Friday, Apr 17, 2009 2:45 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET oh carl, I want you to know that I have no idea what Iron Maiden are beyond say "Piece Of Mind", other than I saw them on that giganta tour with the smoking brain, because to me, the plastic I was being handed with that LP went deeper than the vinyl itself I just meant I'll take Paul's vocals over the the latter ones Given my way, I would have given those guys the 'Another Perfect day' Robbo-innersleeve-3-chord-instruction too many notes in a classical? fashion going on in that band for me, so out of any IM conversation I must go peace On 4/17/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 12:51, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> the recent Iron Maiden stuff strikes me as the "elder statesmen" >> plundering the prog market years of Dickinson & co. >> > > > But I think they do a pretty good job of it as proggy metallic elder > statesmen ... :) I don't think they'd be very convincing trying to pass > themselves off as punky proto-NWOBHM Peter Pans :) but they are what the > are, and they good at that, I think! > > (One of the things that irks me about 2?C is that they don't seem to > actually have a reason for being, whatever it might be. And Hawkwind's > reason for being seems to rest largely on whether Dave Brock says it has a > reason, whatever that reason might be, not that he'll tell anyone ....) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 17 16:18:06 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the name was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases that are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. I like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're posting so much, lately. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! Christian NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:18:39 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:18:39 +0200 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904171309l45fb5c39k242fe1b2aa3ffb2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One that is NOT essential is "Vapour Trails" which I listened to for 1 minute and just put it away. Sounded like Indie Rock done by old men who used to be cool! Anyone want this CD? > > "Permanent Waves" is another essential one. I have a black and white 4001 > > Ricky. > > > My copy was still warm when I got it, and that wonderful new rush album > smell > I have a PHYSICAL NEED to hear Natural Science again, you just reminded me, > how to handle this quickly as you see, there are always bigger fish, and I > will soon be dead _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From elipxr5 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:22:52 2009 From: elipxr5 at AOL.COM (elipxr5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:22:52 -0400 Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos In-Reply-To: <49E4EB5B.6000404@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Alan. I know its a 3 day delayed response but....WOW...great photos from Edinburgh. You have no idea what it means to a fan stuck on the wrong side of the ocean to get to see show coverage like this. Nice job. Thanks, yours, Eli ? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 4:00 pm Subject: HW - Hawkwind Edinburgh photos Hey,? ? latest bunch of photos are now on www.tangledwoof.com? ? Cheers? Alan? From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:27:51 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:27:51 +0200 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" but then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter LP was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. Christian > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the name > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases that > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. I > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're posting > so much, lately. > > Peace, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > interview) > > > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! > > > > Christian > > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > > > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& > mkt=en-us _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 16:32:11 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:32:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904171105g2b61ebafua3d3f88392676654@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 13:05, mike coleman wrote: > but give me Megadeth "Killing Is My Business" (which it is, ask > Trev) and > down the hatch with the spandies all together... Now, there, I never really got the hand of Megadeth either, for all that I liked Metallica well-enough back in the day. (And, actually, I thought "Death Magnetic" was a good effort, for all that it was clearly a product of them thinking "Huh, since Rick Rubin says we oughta sound like ourselves, I guess we should probably try to remember how to do that ...." ;)) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 17 16:50:17 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:50:17 -0400 Subject: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings to all Responding to Christian ,, Well, I liked them both, and I really enjoyed your posting. If you're into comics you'll need Randy California's Potato Land, the first side is all right, with a dance music version of the Potato land theme, the second side is a lot of fun, and it has a comic book in it. Randy's father, Ed is on it too. That poor man, to lose his son, and grandson to drowning. Sure, I got it your posting was creative bs. I never got a taste for beer, cig.s, coffee, or any other stim.s, but I like everything else. Sorry about the way my emails are coming through, I don't have a place for the subject field, since my outlook is buggy, I guess it's there since I'm replying. Anyone have any ideas why Outlook is being so strange. Hippy trails, Mary P.S. Getting myself psyched for The Dead show Sunday. I know, many on this list don't care for them, (to put it mildly), many Deadheads don't get Hawkwind either. I love them both, I have to stay after I heard Space Ritual I fell in love with Hawkwind. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:28 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" but then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter LP was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. Christian > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the name > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases that > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. I > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're posting > so much, lately. > > Peace, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > interview) > > > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! > > > > Christian > > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > > > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& > mkt=en-us _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:51:38 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:51:38 +0200 Subject: Carl "Eddie" Edlund / "Tanz Der Lemmy" II: "Zero Hour" Message-ID: something I posted in alt.magick when I was 12 (1984) Like magick, all easter I ate Lamb Roast. oooh, me mum made it and this bloke named Richard cooked a mean one as well. The interconnectedness of all enchantment casting amongst spotty little punkrockers proves the mathematical nature/language of the universe is stored in the lodges like O.T.O., within the minds of the higher Adepts. The Final frontier is here, our bordering and closest Other Dimensions: dream, heaven, Fantasia..... So put on your "monster boots" and march on ESP'ers... Trollfolk, pixies and unicorns: all we can exploit like Terraforming in other dimensions (like the world of fairie) and build more Burger Kings in the garden of Eden/Narnia.... Regards Lemmy, jr. (12) _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:53:56 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:53:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <67499498-7E28-4DF7-B38A-945C7C18C197@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I only care for the 1st 2 albums by both bands (not that I know much beyond them), and only now own just the 1st by both... for me it was about Kirk, not the chugga chugga sound, but the very thing Trev fears the most, actually working for your money and playing at 19 hunderd miles a second (not classical but blistering) My "Kill 'Em All" neatly tucks the "Blitzkrieg" and "Am I Evil" tracks on, which are mandatory to me as well, and in fact it may be neighbor punishing time as I am tobacco detoxing and no NATURAL SCIENCE I saw both bands on the tours for their second albums that was fun On 4/17/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 13:05, mike coleman wrote: > >> but give me Megadeth "Killing Is My Business" (which it is, ask Trev) and >> down the hatch with the spandies all together... >> > > > Now, there, I never really got the hand of Megadeth either, for all that I > liked Metallica well-enough back in the day. (And, actually, I thought > "Death Magnetic" was a good effort, for all that it was clearly a product of > them thinking "Huh, since Rick Rubin says we oughta sound like ourselves, I > guess we should probably try to remember how to do that ...." ;)) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From albert at CELLSUM.COM Fri Apr 17 16:56:57 2009 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:56:57 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA4@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Buck took accordion lessons for years as a kid. He would also sit in with his father's band. His father, who was also named Donald, was a semi-professional musician who played the sax. You can hear sax lines in his playing quite often. He quite consciously developed his modal style in the early Soft White Underbelly days. On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > I wonder if the same is true of Buck? I know BOC was noted for > having jazz trained musicians, and I get some of the same vibe from > his soloing... Is Al reading this thread? > > > I know that Joe is a schooled musician, and pretty sure Al > is too. Allen Lanier, most likely, as most keyboardists > are. But Buck and Eric, I'm pretty sure, are self-taught... > > tj > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 16:59:52 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:59:52 +0200 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Greetings to all > > Responding to Christian > ,, > Well, I liked them both, and I really enjoyed your posting. If you're into > comics you'll need Randy California's Potato Land, the first side is all > right, with a dance music version of the Potato land theme, the second side > is a lot of fun, and it has a comic book in it. Randy's father, Ed is on it > too. That poor man, to lose his son, and grandson to drowning. Randy Abeck made a cassette of Potatoland for me which i listened to a few times in the 90s/around 2000. I remember it was a disco thing that didn't grab me at the time. But I am sure I need the original LP/CD with book! > Sure, I got it your posting was creative bs. I never got a taste for beer, > cig.s, coffee, or any other stim.s, but I like everything else. Well, yeah but you gotta have that TOO :-) > Sorry about the way my emails are coming through, I don't have a place for > the subject field, since my outlook is buggy, I guess it's there since I'm > replying. Anyone have any ideas why Outlook is being so strange. > > Hippy trails, > > Mary > > P.S. Getting myself psyched for The Dead show Sunday. I know, many on this > list don't care for them, (to put it mildly), many Deadheads don't get > Hawkwind either. I love them both, I have to stay after I heard Space > Ritual I fell in love with Hawkwind. The Grateful Dead have reformed??? What about Jerry Garcia RIP 1995??? I had a friend in NJ , Nate who played AoxomoxoA in the car. I really like "Mountains Of The Moon"! Nate had seen the Dead like 200 times and done acid every time. He was the guy I first did acid with spring 1992. He was totally my best pal my first year at art school. > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:28 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > interview) > > > Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and > being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" but > then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter LP > was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I > once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post > below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote > Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about > Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. > > Christian > > > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 > > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey interview) > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the name > > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases that > > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. I > > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for > > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're posting > > so much, lately. > > > > Peace, > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > > interview) > > > > > > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The > > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult > > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song > > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' > > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his > > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" > > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > > > > > > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Carl > > > > > > -- > > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& > > mkt=en-us > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 17:01:52 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:01:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <3322828829.12818@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:00 , Steve Swann wrote: > Dickinson is a real freakin' renaissance man - singer, fencer, > pilot, history and literary buff... He's what I imagine myself > like when I daydream about doing something with my life ;-) Though perhaps leaving out the Spandex phase ... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 17:05:36 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:05:36 -0500 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:56 , Albert Bouchard wrote: > Buck [...] quite consciously developed his modal style in the early > Soft White Underbelly days. I'm thinking this would be a Coltrane-influence kinda thing? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 17 17:08:40 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:08:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: " If you ever return Stateside I > need a CDR badly........!!!"Do you want me to look for a copy for you. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Christian Mumford wrote: >> The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think >> it's also in the States. > > The cassette is dubbed from the CD. If you ever return Stateside I > need a CDR badly........!!! Ah, right! OK, I'll keep that in mind. I will _eventually_ get my CDs sent to me, or carried over, and that _might_ happen sometime in the next year -- but the time lines are hazy. > Their early years (read: Other Way Out) were definetily the > creative peak before he went too experimental with electronics or > moved too far away from the guitar-psych format. Though Zen For > Sale is more like the rockier stuff (very heavy psych, not techno > doldrums of Libertine or whatever he was noodling on about there > during that, though the follow up Acid Yantra was a welcome return > to the early SD sound...) I felt like the Libertine-era stuff was kind of a half-arsed effort to drift into the Brit-pop scene, though confused by some kind of weird techno obsession of the sort which weighed down Hawkwind in the 90s ... And in another slightly different universe, that might have worked for Sun Dial, at least in the short term, though I'm sort of glad it didn't! I think I heard some Zen for Sale stuff via MySpace or something, and it did seem like one of those much-heralded-and- seldom-received "returns to form", as with Acid Yantra (which I do have, though it's probably also stashed in the States). > Yeah, a cool B&W video. And I also saw a video on 120 Minutes (the > annoying face of Paul King haunts me still every now and then here > at the Barracks) for Ship Of Fools "L=sD'2" around the same time > of that and Ozrics "Sploosh!" was used in a BMW commercial. 1991 > was an awesome flash of psychedelia on the "telly".... where the > "Crusties" were so smelly. And the Mondays were Happy and the Roses > Always Stoney----> I'm actually one of those weird people who kinda likes bits of the second/final Stone Roses album. "Love Spreads" has a cool riff, with a kind of "psychedelic Zep" thing going on .... Actually, I always felt that Libertine-era Sun Dial wanted to do a Stone Roses kind of thing, though luckily (for us) they had too much cred ... or something! ;) Cheers, Carl > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 17:09:45 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:09:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <357010.91243.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just as an excuse to participate in the Ricky shout-out: I gotta 1976 Cherry-glo (or possibly Fire-glo) 4001. :) Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:00 , gary shindler wrote: > I have a black and white 4001 Ricky. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 17 17:13:19 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:13:19 -0400 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Concerning Huw, " he's like a totally different guitarist when he returns in the 80s, in comparison to his contributions on the first album." I know what you mean. Very different. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:29 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Though I kind of _expect_ Buck to be technically accomplished and throwing jazzy stuff in there. It's more surprising in Hawkwind. :) Meanwhile, I would _guess_ that Huw is self-taught. (And IMO he's like a totally different guitarist when he returns in the 80s, in comparison to his contributions on the first album). Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:38, Theodore O Jackson wrote: > Funny you guys are so into this modal thing > without anyone mentioning Buck Dharma, who's > an early proponent of modal playing, although > I think he kind of discovered it by accident. > I'm pretty sure Buck's self-taught. No idea > about Huw... -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 17:20:54 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:20:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:59 , Christian Mumford wrote: > The Grateful Dead have reformed??? What about Jerry Garcia RIP 1995??? Well, they haven't so much "reformed" as "kinda gotten together, now and then" together with other musicians to tour under various monikers in the decade or so since Jerry's death. Since 2003), they've been known as simply as "The Dead": http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/The_Dead_(band). I believe they're currently on tour in the US: http://www.dead.net/dead09. The current lineup is: Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Jeff Chimenti (of Bob Weir's Ratdog: keyboards, vocals), Warren Haynes (of Gov't Mule, the Allman Brothers, etc.: guitar, vocals). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 18:18:34 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:18:34 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: can you see ok now? Then look for one :-) Will pay 20 dollars for THAT :-). > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:08:40 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > " If you ever return Stateside I > > need a CDR badly........!!!"Do you want me to look for a copy for you. > > Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:40 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial > > > On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think > >> it's also in the States. > > > > The cassette is dubbed from the CD. If you ever return Stateside I > > need a CDR badly........!!! > > > Ah, right! OK, I'll keep that in mind. I will _eventually_ get my > CDs sent to me, or carried over, and that _might_ happen sometime in > the next year -- but the time lines are hazy. > > > > Their early years (read: Other Way Out) were definetily the > > creative peak before he went too experimental with electronics or > > moved too far away from the guitar-psych format. Though Zen For > > Sale is more like the rockier stuff (very heavy psych, not techno > > doldrums of Libertine or whatever he was noodling on about there > > during that, though the follow up Acid Yantra was a welcome return > > to the early SD sound...) > > > I felt like the Libertine-era stuff was kind of a half-arsed effort > to drift into the Brit-pop scene, though confused by some kind of > weird techno obsession of the sort which weighed down Hawkwind in the > 90s ... And in another slightly different universe, that might have > worked for Sun Dial, at least in the short term, though I'm sort of > glad it didn't! I think I heard some Zen for Sale stuff via MySpace > or something, and it did seem like one of those much-heralded-and- > seldom-received "returns to form", as with Acid Yantra (which I do > have, though it's probably also stashed in the States). > > > > Yeah, a cool B&W video. And I also saw a video on 120 Minutes (the > > annoying face of Paul King haunts me still every now and then here > > at the Barracks) for Ship Of Fools "L=sD'2" around the same time > > of that and Ozrics "Sploosh!" was used in a BMW commercial. 1991 > > was an awesome flash of psychedelia on the "telly".... where the > > "Crusties" were so smelly. And the Mondays were Happy and the Roses > > Always Stoney----> > > > I'm actually one of those weird people who kinda likes bits of the > second/final Stone Roses album. "Love Spreads" has a cool riff, with > a kind of "psychedelic Zep" thing going on .... > > Actually, I always felt that Libertine-era Sun Dial wanted to do a > Stone Roses kind of thing, though luckily (for us) they had too much > cred ... or something! ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Fri Apr 17 18:21:07 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:21:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > Well, I used to have a cassette of this Sun Dial CD from Randy Abeck of BOC-L way back when in the 90s (this guy I traded massive amounts of spacerock CDs, tapes, VHS tapes, and software with in the mail) ...with Van Der Graaf Generator "Time Vaults" on the b-side - but having virtually everything by Sun Dial I have NEVER seen "Live Drug" sold anywhere, shops, net, NADA. The live version of "Exploding In Your Mind" is Gary Ramon's finest hour. Can someone HELP? This is what I beleive is "everything" by Sun Dial (or at least what I have left and bought recently), and I can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: > I do have the CD around somewhere because I have the Flac files on my computer. I noticed a few places have them as one word (sundial) instead of 2 words when I was looking for them in the past. From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 18:25:33 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:25:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: <49E900D3.6020802@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: > Christian Mumford wrote: > > Well, I used to have a cassette of this Sun Dial CD from Randy Abeck of BOC-L way back when in the 90s (this guy I traded massive amounts of spacerock CDs, tapes, VHS tapes, and software with in the mail) ...with Van Der Graaf Generator "Time Vaults" on the b-side - but having virtually everything by Sun Dial I have NEVER seen "Live Drug" sold anywhere, shops, net, NADA. The live version of "Exploding In Your Mind" is Gary Ramon's finest hour. Can someone HELP? This is what I beleive is "everything" by Sun Dial (or at least what I have left and bought recently), and I can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: > > > I do have the CD around somewhere because I have the Flac files on my > computer. > I noticed a few places have them as one word (sundial) instead of 2 > words when I was > looking for them in the past. well if you do find them i'd be grateful for a CDR in a trade or whatever. NP: Combat 84 - "Orders Of The Day" _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 17 01:39:09 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:39:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904162222h6473d322qf109a9914b162da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ___________________ try track 5 and 10 :-) OUTER SPACE BABY ! ________________________________ From: mike coleman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 7:22:24 Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots I'm on track 3 I take the Steve Wilson approach to lyrics, so I think this is some of the problem Dude, I have become heralded as a messenger of the future where I live, and if I ever play that 1st track again, which there is a better chance of my commiting suicide, the windows MUST stay shut as I could get physically harmed playing music like that here...... On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO Movenpick > / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or just > Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple > Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into a > magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink Dots" > blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. > > Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wait a minute > > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > > somebody will die, I must now force myself > > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears to > > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, and > > that is OK > > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> I > made > > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and he > hated > > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons in > mind > > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their > Beatnik > > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock > angle > > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in > Denmark. > > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early years. > I > > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground band > and > > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed in > 1980. > > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo 1998 > > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I can > send > > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has > chosen me, > > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of > their > > > own. > > > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", > > > 1980-83 compilation) > > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 > compilation) > > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > > > cheers, > > > Christian > > > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 18:31:54 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:31:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904131611n61eacba8ie1c7546615c99ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 13 Apr 2009, at 18:11 , Steve Swann wrote: > I have two thoughts on the subject: > 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of > a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no > overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. Hell, yeah! > [...] I really enjoyed hearing him [Eric B.] fronting a > such a goofy mock-epic production. Well ... "Black Blade" kinda comes close -- though maybe that's only in hindsight. :) > 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. As a > matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh > my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and > I've been listening to it incessantly. It sounds almost like Eric > fronting Manowar. God help me - it actually occurred to me that I > like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list > for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal > Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ;-) There is no prize for writing lyrics that are more fun than John Shirley's .... :) Well, this is very silly, but then so was the whole Live Chronicles video, and I always got a kick out of it, too. Better than _all_ of Heaven Forbid? Well .... no, I'm not sure about that. :) OK, sure, HF seems a little too much like an effort at BOC by the numbers, with John Shirley not managing to take the place of Pearlman's (and Meltzer's) "inspired weirdness" in the lyrics department, and something of a drizzle in the musical inspiration department .... But, hey, Harvest Moon is actually a pretty good song (for al that it looooong predates HF, and for all that I would have liked to hear it sounding more sinister :)). Possibly, however, "Kiss My Axe" is better _entertainment_ than much of _Heaven Forbid_. :) It is, at any rate, new music from out the side of the BOC camp, or 2OC camp, or whatever it is, these days -- which is something after all these years of effective studio silence! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 17 09:22:30 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:22:30 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <20090417130117.GA32212@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I always thought Huws leads crawled all over the place and had an ear for him like with Brian May's work with Queen, though not being a musician I don't know if the two are similar in any way, they just do all the awesome leads. Christian NP: Combat 84 "Orders Of The Day" ObCD: Queen + Paul Rodgers "The Cosmos Rocks" ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 15:01:17 Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:15:26PM -0400, John Majka typed out: > As a guitar player myself, I've always been hugely impressed with Huw. He > does indeed have a unique signature style quite unlike that of anyone else > I've ever heard. I am always completely mesmerized listening to his leads > in Hawkwind and on his solo albums. Others may speak of Simon's skills, > but for me, Huw is definitely Hawkwind's most musically gifted member. I'd > love for him to join up with the rest of the hawks for another musical > journey.... I once made an ex of mine who didn't care much for the treble register listen to one of Huw's breaks, possibly the _Live '79_ `Brainstorm' or maybe even live with Litmus once, and she actually paid some attention and then said, "he's not even in the same key as the rest of them". And I listened and thought, he's not, is he? He's cutting across them in a minor key in some way that fits perfectly but sounds really affecting. And since I noticed that I've found that this is, for me, Huw's big trick, he's really good at playing across the band. This is why Jerry Richards, despite being very good too, never really replaced Huw as lead for me, because he just sounds like Brock on speed and without as chunky an amp set-up. Huw sounds like no-one else (much like Dave himself), but I'm not sure that it's particularly because of his technical skill, which does vary somewhat in performance these days, but because of his ear for the best route across the rest of the music. And of course, doing that makes him stand out in a way that Jerry doesn't. I don't know if that actually has much musical basis, but maybe someone who can speak to such things will tell me if I'm wrong. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 17 10:57:10 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:57:10 +0000 Subject: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CA2@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: No. Thats Zyprelaphonthrillobyxa with special Micro-tri-state area extradite A1-mix ________________________________ From: Theodore O Jackson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 16:51:23 Subject: Re: HW 40th Anniversary Show - Huw Mixolydian is rather Jazzy yes- LIKE YES. Isn't that the shit that bald guys put on their head to try and grow more hair? tj From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 18:34:06 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:34:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: <49E900D3.6020802@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 17:21 , Jerry G wrote: > Christian Mumford wrote: >> I can't find the cassette of "Live Drug" either: > > I do have the CD around somewhere because I have the Flac files on > my computer. Performing similar investigations, I find I do have Acid Yantra to hand, but not Live Drug. Live Drug must indeed be in the States. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 17 17:15:01 2009 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: can you see ok now? Then look for one :-) Will pay 20 dollars for THAT :-). ________________________________ From: mary To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 23:08:40 Subject: Re: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial " If you ever return Stateside I > need a CDR badly........!!!"Do you want me to look for a copy for you. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: "Live Drug" by Sun Dial On 17 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Christian Mumford wrote: >> The cassette of _Live Drug_? I think I have a CD, though I think >> it's also in the States. > > The cassette is dubbed from the CD. If you ever return Stateside I > need a CDR badly........!!! Ah, right! OK, I'll keep that in mind. I will _eventually_ get my CDs sent to me, or carried over, and that _might_ happen sometime in the next year -- but the time lines are hazy. > Their early years (read: Other Way Out) were definetily the > creative peak before he went too experimental with electronics or > moved too far away from the guitar-psych format. Though Zen For > Sale is more like the rockier stuff (very heavy psych, not techno > doldrums of Libertine or whatever he was noodling on about there > during that, though the follow up Acid Yantra was a welcome return > to the early SD sound...) I felt like the Libertine-era stuff was kind of a half-arsed effort to drift into the Brit-pop scene, though confused by some kind of weird techno obsession of the sort which weighed down Hawkwind in the 90s ... And in another slightly different universe, that might have worked for Sun Dial, at least in the short term, though I'm sort of glad it didn't! I think I heard some Zen for Sale stuff via MySpace or something, and it did seem like one of those much-heralded-and- seldom-received "returns to form", as with Acid Yantra (which I do have, though it's probably also stashed in the States). > Yeah, a cool B&W video. And I also saw a video on 120 Minutes (the > annoying face of Paul King haunts me still every now and then here > at the Barracks) for Ship Of Fools "L=sD'2" around the same time > of that and Ozrics "Sploosh!" was used in a BMW commercial. 1991 > was an awesome flash of psychedelia on the "telly".... where the > "Crusties" were so smelly. And the Mondays were Happy and the Roses > Always Stoney----> I'm actually one of those weird people who kinda likes bits of the second/final Stone Roses album. "Love Spreads" has a cool riff, with a kind of "psychedelic Zep" thing going on .... Actually, I always felt that Libertine-era Sun Dial wanted to do a Stone Roses kind of thing, though luckily (for us) they had too much cred ... or something! ;) Cheers, Carl > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 18:38:33 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Apr 2009, at 07:43 , Arin Komins wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/user/nicky0872 > has 3 uploads from last night: Damnation Alley, Magnu, and Mirror > of Illusion (the latter two are mixed up with each other, mind.) > Mirror of Illusion is *brilliant*. Mmmmm, no, I can't really get behind it .... No, IMO the "Mask of Morning" remake version on ET takes this one! :) Though admittedly the less than brilliant sound of the mobile phone vid may be influencing me. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 19:04:24 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:04:24 +0200 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On 10 Apr 2009, at 07:43 , Arin Komins wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/nicky0872 > > has 3 uploads from last night: Damnation Alley, Magnu, and Mirror > > of Illusion (the latter two are mixed up with each other, mind.) > > Mirror of Illusion is *brilliant*. > > > Mmmmm, no, I can't really get behind it .... No, IMO the "Mask of > Morning" remake version on ET takes this one! :) Though admittedly > the less than brilliant sound of the mobile phone vid may be > influencing me. The ET version of Mirror is far superior to the 1st LP one as well. PS Huw: I read in the booklet of the CD of a HLLG CD that Huw is self taught (Like an arrow... i beleive). PPS: HUW2:I also think Huws style really changed between 1st LP and Live 79/Levitation-> following 80s stuff. On with the YouTube (Tonight is when HAWKWIND should have played OSLO and I had a ticket... SOB! :-(( Christian > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 19:07:16 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:07:16 +0200 Subject: old drunk homo vomiting Message-ID: well i am crying Carl! Lemmy peter Pan _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 17 19:14:39 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:14:39 -0500 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2009, at 18:04 , Christian Mumford wrote: > The ET version of Mirror is far superior to the 1st LP one as well. Oh, yes! Agreed 100%. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 18 00:04:24 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:04:24 -0700 Subject: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <6B58333F-CF82-44E0-839B-ED5FE3E81433@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Mine's the same year. Had to look it up online to find out its year. ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:09:45 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Rush (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) Just as an excuse to participate in the Ricky shout-out: I gotta 1976 Cherry-glo (or possibly Fire-glo) 4001. :) Cheers, Carl On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:00 , gary shindler wrote: > I have a black and white 4001 Ricky. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 18 00:33:16 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:33:16 -0700 Subject: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) In-Reply-To: <008B3BB9-ED47-439E-B1F2-D9B610623582@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Yeah, the song rocks. Good for Eric. ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:31:54 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Kiss My Axe (While I Drink My Beer) On 13 Apr 2009, at 18:11 , Steve Swann wrote: > I have two thoughts on the subject: > 1. If I was a rock-n-roller, I would do shit like this at the drop of > a hat - but that's because I have a broad sense of fun, and no > overblown notions of maintaining a dignified public persona. Hell, yeah! > [...] I really enjoyed hearing him [Eric B.] fronting a > such a goofy mock-epic production. Well ... "Black Blade" kinda comes close -- though maybe that's only in hindsight. :) > 2. This is way better sounding than it has any right to be. As a > matter of fact, after the first couple of listens and the initial "Oh > my god, that's silly" reaction, it really started to grow on me, and > I've been listening to it incessantly. It sounds almost like Eric > fronting Manowar. God help me - it actually occurred to me that I > like this better than Heaven Forbid (can I get booted off my own list > for saying that?), and I think it's because the Manowar-meets-Spinal > Tap lyrics are more fun than John Shirley's... ;-) There is no prize for writing lyrics that are more fun than John Shirley's .... :) Well, this is very silly, but then so was the whole Live Chronicles video, and I always got a kick out of it, too. Better than _all_ of Heaven Forbid? Well .... no, I'm not sure about that. :) OK, sure, HF seems a little too much like an effort at BOC by the numbers, with John Shirley not managing to take the place of Pearlman's (and Meltzer's) "inspired weirdness" in the lyrics department, and something of a drizzle in the musical inspiration department .... But, hey, Harvest Moon is actually a pretty good song (for al that it looooong predates HF, and for all that I would have liked to hear it sounding more sinister :)). Possibly, however, "Kiss My Axe" is better _entertainment_ than much of _Heaven Forbid_. :) It is, at any rate, new music from out the side of the BOC camp, or 2OC camp, or whatever it is, these days -- which is something after all these years of effective studio silence! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 18 03:15:48 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:15:48 -0500 Subject: : OFF OFF she goes: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: I will try track ten, if I have never made it that far, but if that fails, and if my ears are correct, I am going to use my alternate original PXR5 cd to *KILL *Lisa brutally, with more radioactive dagger wounds than have ever been inflicted On 4/17/09, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > ___________________ > try track 5 and 10 :-) OUTER SPACE BABY ! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mike coleman > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 7:22:24 > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > I'm on track 3 > I take the Steve Wilson approach to lyrics, so I think this is some of the > problem > Dude, I have become heralded as a messenger of the future where I live, and > if I ever play that 1st track again, which there is a better chance of my > commiting suicide, the windows MUST stay shut as I could get physically > harmed playing music like that here...... > > > On 4/17/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > If we can ween the Coal-man from vanilla to chocolate with a UFO > Movenpick > > / Haagen Daaz amphetamine connection with The Thing and The Torch (or > just > > Angel Dust I Gotta Have It) with a bit of Venom or Poison in the Apple > > Sherbert--- he after doing the magic powders will lay down and fall into > a > > magical sleep for a 100 years and be woken up with "The Legendary Pink > Dots" > > blaring on his iPod and marry Judge Trev in the year 2109. > > > > Christian (forteller eventyr=)) > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:55:17 -0500 > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > wait a minute > > > I'm glad I did not delete this, since I am mentioned again > > > while it is true that if I listen to even one song much less the disc, > > > somebody will die, I must now force myself > > > Now would be a great time for killing, if only it wasn't (what appears > to > > > be) a farily decent UFO radio-night > > > it is obvious that you and I have radical musical taste differences, > and > > > that is OK > > > your latest threads have me feeling old, and that is good > > > I wish I was as old as Bill.... > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > List, The Fantastic 4 and The Superskrull aside: Here is a story---> > I > > made > > > > Mike Coleman a copy of disc 1 last year so he could try out LPD and > he > > hated > > > > it and described it as "terrible noise". Well I had Gong-comparisons > in > > mind > > > > for the CoalMeister, their early stuff when they were doing their > > Beatnik > > > > thing... THEN i made a second disc with more LPD, with a Spacerock > > angle > > > > (like "Saucers" and "Andromeda") and sent the 2CDR set to Scott in > > Denmark. > > > > He seems to be enjoying it.... getting Bowie vibes off the early > years. > > I > > > > cannot say/sing/scream enough praise about this unique Underground > band > > and > > > > they are so productive - even more CDs out than Hawkwind yet formed > in > > 1980. > > > > Just witness my review at the Aural Innovations site of their Oslo > 1998 > > > > show. Amazing. Here is the tracklist as I made about 3 2CDR sets I > can > > send > > > > some out for people who want an introduction. The Tooth fairy has > > chosen me, > > > > Yes! I really think these two discs showcase the > > > > Hawkwind/psychedelia/spacerock side ro their stuff... its like if Syd > > > > Barrett was an 80s New Wave dude and formed Hawkwind in a universe of > > their > > > > own. > > > > > > > > Hawk While You May > > > > > > > > DISC 1 (Disapproved by The Coal Man): > > > > > > > > 1. You'n'Me/Waiting For The Call (from "Stained Glass Soma > Fountains", > > > > 1980-83 compilation) > > > > 2. April's Song (from "Stained Glass Soma Fountains", 1980-83 > > compilation) > > > > 3. Clockwise (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 4. Citadel (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 5. Damien (from "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By", 1997) > > > > 6. Frosty (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 7. (Still) Defeated (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 8. Voices (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 9. Hauptbanhof (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation 1980-83) > > > > 10. Film Of The Book (from "Legendary Pink Box", compilation > 1980-83) > > > > 11. Echo Police (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 12. Demonism (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 13. The Golden Dawn (from "Asylum", 1985) > > > > 14. As If (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 15. Splash (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 16. Premonition 2 (from "Under Triple Moons", compilation 1980-88) > > > > 17. Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (from "Faces In the Fire", 1984) > > > > > > > > DISC 2: (One For The Fish Doctor) > > > > > > > > 1. The Saucers Are Coming (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > > 2. Sterre (from "Hallway Of The Gods", 1995) > > > > 3. The Warden (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > > 4. The Brightest Star (from "All The King's Men", 2002) > > > > 5. Love Puppets (from "Curse", 1983) > > > > 6. Doll's House (from "Curse", 1983) > > > > 7. O(r)ifice (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > > 8. Phallus Dei (from "Ancient Daze", compilation 1980-82) > > > > 9. Andromeda Suite '98 (from "Pre-Millenial Single", 1998) > > > > 10. Aarzakhlahh Olgevezh (from "Live At The Metro", 1998) > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > ObCD: Anthrax "Among The Living" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > > > > Spaces. It's easy! > > > > > > > > > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > > > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Apr 18 03:19:04 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:19:04 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Does Not Care Show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 18, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: SPACE DOES NOT CARE (#14) I've uploaded a new show from Space Does Not Care (show #14). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Space Does Not Care (show #14) Chuck did a radio show dubbed "Space Does Not Care" from 1999-2003 at KUCR out of Riverside, CA, which streamed on-line for most of that time. After moving up to San Luis Obispo county, Chuck met with politics and apathy from the local college and public stations, but recently got a nudge from a friend to ask Jerry Kranitz if there was space for another show on Aural Innovations' on-line radio site: Hence the return of "Space Does Not Care", the format of which I'll safely place under the umbrella of Psych/Space/Kraut/Electro/Indie/Folk/Noise-rock. HAWKWIND - "Hurry On Sundown"/"Warrior On the Edge of Time" (from Yule Ritual - Voiceprint/Hawk) HAWKWIND - "I Am The Reptoid" (from In Your Area - Griffin) MAGMA - "Maahnt" (from Attahk - Snapper) VAS DEFERENS ORGANIZATION - "Futura Perspective" (from Zyzzybaloubah - Aether) DEFENDER - "Please and Thank You" (from Hemispheres split - Some Odd Pilot) METERMAN - "Midi Hum" (from Hemispheres split - Midium) TUXEDOMOON - "Pinheads On the Move"/"Next To Nothing" (from Pinheads On the Move - A Train) HERE & NOW - "This Time"/"What You See Is What You Are" (from Give & Take - Voiceprint) NITZINGER - "God Bless the Pervert/Earth Eater" (from One Foot In History - John in the Box - Akarma) BLOODROCK - "Wicked Truth" (from ST'd - Repertoire) ST 37 - "Heather Catherine Tallchief" (from Spaceage - Black Widow) ST 37 - "Translunar Injection" (from Secret Society - Lost/Timothy's Brain) ST 37 - "Crab Nebula" (from Gypsy's Curse 7" - Prospective) ST 37 - "Planet Earth Mental Hospital" (from Glare - Electric Jug) ST 37 - "Poppy Fields"/"Surfin' With the Shah" (from Derobe split - RRR) ST 37 - "No Magic Bullets" (from I Love to Talk... - Emperor Jones) AMERICAN ANALOG SET - "Where Have All the Good Boys Gone" (from From Our Livingroom To Yours - Emperor Jones) ANDREW KENNEY - "Angel Sigh" (from V/A Never Lose That Feeling - AC30) SPIRITUALIZED - "Run" (from Lazer Guided Melodies - Dedicated) SONIC BOOM - "Angel" (from Spectrum - Silvertone) SPACEMEN 3 - "Amen" (from Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs To - Orbit) BOREDOMS - "Super Shine" (from Super AR - Birdman) http://Aural-Innovations.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Apr 18 04:24:08 2009 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:24:08 +0000 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know what you mean Carl - but I believe the intention was to be more faithful to the original version. Hearing DB play harmonica live on stage is something I thought I'd never see. I just wish he'd played it at the front of the stage instead of disappearing to the back to play it between verses. Mick --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 11:38 PM > On 10 Apr 2009, at 07:43 , Arin Komins wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/nicky0872 > > has 3 uploads from last night: Damnation Alley, Magnu, > and Mirror of Illusion (the latter two are mixed up with > each other, mind.) > > Mirror of Illusion is *brilliant*. > > > Mmmmm, no, I can't really get behind it .... No, IMO > the "Mask of Morning" remake version on ET takes > this one! :) Though admittedly the less than brilliant sound > of the mobile phone vid may be influencing me. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 18 09:30:36 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:30:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Maiden (again!) (was Re: OFF: A Legendary Pinktroduction to The Legendary Pink Dots) In-Reply-To: <81891BDD-728F-499E-9984-A4F66B44C54A@carlaz.com> Message-ID: LOL! For everyone's sake, yes! 'Specially since in terms of body shape, I have more in common with Jack Black. ;-) Steve On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:00 , Steve Swann wrote: >> >> Dickinson is a real freakin' renaissance man - singer, fencer, pilot, >> history and literary buff... ?He's what I imagine myself like when I >> daydream about doing something with my life ?;-) > > > Though perhaps leaving out the Spandex phase ... :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 18 12:38:15 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:38:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" In-Reply-To: <4F27C2ED-68D3-45D9-B616-25FD8BD882A2@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Man, I hate to go head to head with Carl... ;-) but even though Metallica often seems to me like the world's greatest cover band, I wouldn't walk across the street to hear that version of Veteran of the Psychic Wars. The twangy acoustic guitars just don't do it for me. :-P (Tarot's version stomped all over it, even given the vocalist's difficulty with English pronunciation.) ;-) Steve On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Somehow this escaped my notice until now: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kwhNo9sf4&feature=related > > There are a few other video versions of this performance, with variously > dodgy hand-held phone-camera work :) or the ever annoying > I-stuck-this-audio-on-YouTube-with-naught-but-a-static-logo-as-a-"video" > thing. > > The performance is not not as menacing as the BOC original, IMO, but it's a > solid effort -- and it's nice to see Metallica doing another shout-out for > BOC. > > Cheers, > Carl, who once he figures out the proper piano lines for Astronomy will > record a pompously overblown goth-metal cover version :) > > ps - while looking at that, I also found a cover by the Finnish band Tarot: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h68ykMB_k-Q&feature=related > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 08:49:58 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:49:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Supernatural Message-ID: Are any of you guys fans of the show Supernatural? I just got hooked on it recently, and am working my way through the DVDs of season 1 (I think they're currently in season 4). First of all, the music programmers for the show are obviously classic rock buffs, and the soundtrack is packed with Joe Walsh, Paul Rogers, Rush, Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult. BOC has prominently featured in two episodes: one in which I'm afraid they made somewhat obvious, but nonetheless pretty cool use of Reaper (starting from the bit guitar break in the middle, no less). If I told you the episode was entitled "Reaper", you'd probably get what I mean about it being a little over-obvious... ;-) Another episode from Season 1, "Hell House" has a very prominent Blue Oyster Cult theme to it (including using the back cover of the Fire of Unknown Origin LP as a plot point), and is a lot of fun for a fan. Steve From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Apr 19 09:43:10 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:43:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Supernatural In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904190549o5be9caa7rad022e37cfa0e73f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Steve Swann wrote: :Subject: BOC: Supernatural : :Are any of you guys fans of the show Supernatural? Yep! Been watching since season 1. :I just got hooked on it recently, and am working my way through the :DVDs of season 1 (I think they're currently in season 4). First of :all, the music programmers for the show are obviously classic rock :buffs, and the soundtrack is packed with Joe Walsh, Paul Rogers, Rush, :Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult. : :BOC has prominently featured in two episodes: one in which I'm afraid :they made somewhat obvious, but nonetheless pretty cool use of Reaper :(starting from the bit guitar break in the middle, no less). If I :told you the episode was entitled "Reaper", you'd probably get what I :mean about it being a little over-obvious... ;-) Another episode :from Season 1, "Hell House" has a very prominent Blue Oyster Cult :theme to it (including using the back cover of the Fire of Unknown :Origin LP as a plot point), and is a lot of fun for a fan. Hell House was a fab episode. Even if I guessed the plot based around the logo I kept seeing :-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 10:37:56 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:37:56 +0100 Subject: Atomhenge next releases. Message-ID: Can't recall seeing this on the list so here goes. Got this in an email on Friday. *HAWKLORDS:* *?Live 1978?* * * *1. **Automoton* *2. **25 Years* *3. **High Rise* *4. **Death Trap* *5. **The Age of the Micro Man ? * *Previously unreleased* *6. **Spirit of the Age * *7. **Urban Guerrilla - Previously unreleased* *8. **Sonic Attack* *9. **PSI Power - Previously unreleased.* ***Brainstorm - Previously unreleased* *HAWKWIND:* *?The Chronicle of the Black Sword?* * * *1. **Song of the Swords* *2. **Shade Gate* *3. **The Sea King* *4. **The Pulsing Cavern* *5. **Elric the Enchanter* *6. **Needle Gun* *7. **Zarozinia* *8. **The Demise* *9. **Sleep of a Thousand Tears* *10. **Chaos Army* *11. **Horn of Destiny* * * *BONUS TRACKS:* *12. **Arioch* *13. **Night of the Hawks* *14. **Green Finned Demon* *15. **Dream Dancers* *16. **Dragons and Fables* *HAWKWIND: ?Love in Space?* * * *CD ONE:* * * *1. **Abducted / 2. Death Trap / 3. Wastelands / 4. Are You Losing Your Mind? / 5. Photo Encounter / 6. Blue Skin / 7. Sputnik Stan 8. Robot / 9. Alien (I Am)* * * *CD TWO:* * * *1. **Xenomorph / 2. Vega / 3. Love in Space / 4. Kapal / 5. Elfin / 6. Silver Machine / 7. Welcome to the Future / 8. Assasins / Space (Is Their Palestine)* * * *Bonus tracks:* * * *9. Love in Space (Studio version)* *10. Lord of Light (Live)* ***11. This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack* -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 12:20:40 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:20:40 +0200 Subject: Atomhenge next releases. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Will be nice to finally se a CotBS CD with unmutiated cover art (Flicknife & Dojo editions)........ NP: Dead Moon "Strange Pray Tell" > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:37:56 +0100 > From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Atomhenge next releases. > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Can't recall seeing this on the list so here goes. > > Got this in an email on Friday. > > > *HAWKLORDS:* > > *?Live 1978?* > > * * > > *1. **Automoton* > > *2. **25 Years* > > *3. **High Rise* > > *4. **Death Trap* > > *5. **The Age of the Micro Man ? * > > *Previously unreleased* > > *6. **Spirit of the Age * > > *7. **Urban Guerrilla - Previously unreleased* > > *8. **Sonic Attack* > > *9. **PSI Power - Previously unreleased.* > > ***Brainstorm - Previously unreleased* > > *HAWKWIND:* > > *?The Chronicle of the Black Sword?* > > * * > > *1. **Song of the Swords* > > *2. **Shade Gate* > > *3. **The Sea King* > > *4. **The Pulsing Cavern* > > *5. **Elric the Enchanter* > > *6. **Needle Gun* > > *7. **Zarozinia* > > *8. **The Demise* > > *9. **Sleep of a Thousand Tears* > > *10. **Chaos Army* > > *11. **Horn of Destiny* > > * * > > *BONUS TRACKS:* > > *12. **Arioch* > > *13. **Night of the Hawks* > > *14. **Green Finned Demon* > > *15. **Dream Dancers* > > *16. **Dragons and Fables* > > *HAWKWIND: ?Love in Space?* > > * * > > *CD ONE:* > > * * > > *1. **Abducted / 2. Death Trap / 3. Wastelands / 4. Are You Losing Your > Mind? / 5. Photo Encounter / 6. Blue Skin / 7. Sputnik Stan 8. Robot / 9. > Alien (I Am)* > > * * > > *CD TWO:* > > * * > > *1. **Xenomorph / 2. Vega / 3. Love in Space / 4. Kapal / > 5. Elfin / 6. Silver Machine / 7. Welcome to the Future / 8. Assasins / > Space (Is Their Palestine)* > > * * > > *Bonus tracks:* > > * * > > *9. Love in Space (Studio version)* > *10. Lord of Light (Live)* > ***11. This is Hawkwind Sonic Attack* > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 19 12:31:14 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:31:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904180938x778f2a86yfc8cef27cbac609b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 18 Apr 2009, at 11:38 , Steve Swann wrote: > Man, I hate to go head to head with Carl... ;-) but even though > Metallica often seems to me like the world's greatest cover band, I > wouldn't walk across the street to hear that version of Veteran of the > Psychic Wars. The twangy acoustic guitars just don't do it for me. > :-P (Tarot's version stomped all over it, even given the vocalist's > difficulty with English pronunciation.) ;-) I thought it was a solid _effort_, but not such a good _result_. :) And you are certainly right that the Tarot version _is_ much better! :) In fact, I've started to think of Tarot as a great lost NWOBHM band (albeit from Finland) that I had never heard of until recently, and so effectively a great undiscovered treasure. :) And, clearly, their hearts are in the right place (singing BOC covers!). :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sun Apr 19 14:24:48 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:24:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Their "Astronomy" was better. I think on "Veteran" they should have let the bassist take a smoke break, he's playing one note through the length I listened. And I know he likes to play that fretboard, he sounds bored. ________________________________ From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:31:14 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Metallica's "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" On 18 Apr 2009, at 11:38 , Steve Swann wrote: > Man, I hate to go head to head with Carl... ;-) but even though > Metallica often seems to me like the world's greatest cover band, I > wouldn't walk across the street to hear that version of Veteran of the > Psychic Wars. The twangy acoustic guitars just don't do it for me. > :-P (Tarot's version stomped all over it, even given the vocalist's > difficulty with English pronunciation.) ;-) I thought it was a solid _effort_, but not such a good _result_. :) And you are certainly right that the Tarot version _is_ much better! :) In fact, I've started to think of Tarot as a great lost NWOBHM band (albeit from Finland) that I had never heard of until recently, and so effectively a great undiscovered treasure. :) And, clearly, their hearts are in the right place (singing BOC covers!). :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 14:26:31 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:26:31 +0200 Subject: OFF: must be the work of The Elk Hound Message-ID: This one is for all the "surprise party!" funsters (HM) out there (I sure was NOT taken by the balls) http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue4/monmag01.html Monster Magnet - "Powertrip" (A&M Records 1998, 31454 0908 2) >From Aural Innovations #4 (October 1998) Six albums into their career, three so far on A&M, and the possible numerological arrangement conspicuously fits perfectly with the commercially viable post-modern, hedonistic freakrock of the future that this New Jersey band delivers, interestingly bringing underground acid rock onto corporate airwaves in the 90's without selling out creatively, yet still hopefully making the band lots of bucks. For those who instinctively equate a successful 90's hardrock band (in broad terms) with the standard alterna-grunge fair or gender-bender industrial shock, know ye that Monster Magnet are in a league of their own, operating beyond the unconscious media symptoms of zeitgeist, having evolved into something unique, and, arguably, outshining their moderately successful and arguably similar 'stoner metal' or 'space sludge' peers such as Fu Manchu, Sleep, or Cathedral, and arguably packing more originality than all of them combined (possibly excluding the disbanded Kyuss). And now, self-made psychedelic rock deities Dave Wyndorf, Ed Mundel, Joe Calandra and John Kleiman descend upon us once again, this time via the luridly packaged "Powertrip". Despite their move away from the deep-space-miasma of their previous album, "Dopes To Infinity" (1995), or the extended freakouts of the early material, leaning more towards their Detroit-infused power rock side, they still strongly retain the psychedelic edge and the 70's and occasional 60's hook-sensibilities. The CD opens with the heavy "Crop Circle", a driven, spacey slab of cosmic self descriptive, while the equally awesome title/single track, and "Temple of Your Dreams", both are instant classics in similar mold with a fair bit of advice too! The first single "Space Lord" is more of a conventional metal tune with a spacy break and more SF like lyrics, but not all that representative of the albums' overall style. The eerie "Baby G?tterdammerung" becomes another example of Wyndorf decoding himself with Marvel comic-book cosmology. One can also hear an uncanny resemblance to Hawkwind's "Time We Left" guitar riff on "Bummer", and though their heavy influence (Monster Magnet have recorded "Brainstorm" more than once) is more subdued on this album than last, it is still very strong in places. "19 Witches" takes on an odd Morricone-like western-movie flavor without seeming out of place, with a very spacey break, and followed by yet another future classic, "3rd Eye Landslide" - where else but in the world of Monster Magnet can a phrase like that be sung with complete authority! "See You In Hell" is a sinister suburban tale set to a groovy Farfisa organ driven 60's pop tune. And we get the old bad-trip standard "Tractor" updated too, not sounding too different from the 1990 version. From here on the lumbering "Atomic Clock" and the spacey horror atmospherics of "Goliath And The Vampires" carry us onward, but the disappointingly trite "Your Lies Become You" suddenly brings this otherwise perfect hour way too far 'down', with its earthy twang, lazy bossanova-like shuffle and clich?d lyrics. Still, it doesn't detract much from the overall charm or staying power, gaining visual bonus points for the hidden chaos symbol and gratuitously Satanic marketing tactics. A few space-fans might not be as attracted to this album as their previous offerings, though if you are into The Stooges and/or Hawkwind and psychedelic and/or good music in general, it's an essential purchase. Also recommended is the "Space Lord" single which has a great version of "Kick Out The Jams" and the epic, driven, "Big God". Reviewed by Christian Mumford _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 15:06:38 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:06:38 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............. Message-ID: http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 16:42:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and Space Bandits all those years ago??? From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 16:48:18 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:48:18 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191342t2f752037rf8034be61598c533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. Netherlands pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and Space > Bandits all those years ago??? _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 16:57:27 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:27 -0500 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived always bored me to tears There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what country those were Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking for them, as I had decided that is what they were so my alternate comment would be something like: Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or Lps, and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is scarce and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. Netherlands > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > Space > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:08:13 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:08:13 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191357l48f389d9s129035220a37fcfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: im confused by the coleman-speak. I am konfoozed. > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:27 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising > anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived > always bored me to tears > There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what country > those were > Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking for > them, as I had decided that is what they were > so my alternate comment would be something like: > Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or Lps, > and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is scarce > and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. Netherlands > > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the > > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > > Space > > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:14:08 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:14:08 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............ from coleman-speak to norsk In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191357l48f389d9s129035220a37fcfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Coleman, this is my letter regarding MEC and MHFSG....... VERSTANDUNG????? Jeppjeppjepp, sikkert p? mandan. PS: Jeg lurer p? om de Melodic ENergy Commision sakene er CDR eller silver CD. Sikkert CDR men.... blir kult bare kuuult! Vel, en ting til: jeg har lett etter "Coronal Mass Injection" av Mooseheart Faith p? CD men finner bare en dobbel LP p? eBay. Skulle gjerne hatt noe mer enn den CDR'en med cover du lagde til meg for noen ?r siden. I tillegg er mine originale MHF saker s? vannskadet booklet/ripete CD - det er helt grusomt. Jeg l?nte deg alle i sin tid rundt 1999, fikk de tilbake ok, og "Golden Light" var i en bag som ble stj?let i Paris da jeg mellomlandet til New York p? julebes?k 2001. N? har jeg kun "crap" kolleksjon med f?kka CD plater og CDR replacent kopier fra deg og finner INGENTING p? September Gurls labelet osv. Husker jeg bestilte "Cosmic Dialogues" og "Magic Square Of The Sun" direkte fra SG's webside i tyskland rundt 1996 og "Global Brain" fra Wild Mind (som var verdens kuleste mail order i Oslo der jeg fikk Bevis Frond og h?rte om Dead Moon rundt 1990) i 1995... OG til sist Henrik Hallgren i sverige som drev Peace Of Mind Records skaffet jeg "Golden Light". Det er helt grasalt som grenser til psykopater som meg ? bli ENDA mer psykotisk (istedenfor psychedelisk) - det er bare ikke riktig. Sj?nner ikke hva jeg tenkte da jeg s?lte vann og klarte ? ripe/bli frastj?let noe s? hellig som Mooseheart F. CD plater. S? HVIS du finner > first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising > anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived > always bored me to tears > There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what country > those were > Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking for > them, as I had decided that is what they were > so my alternate comment would be something like: > Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or Lps, > and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is scarce > and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. Netherlands > > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the > > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > > Space > > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:17:59 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:17:59 -0500 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh you're looking at Cds...in that case the USA pressings may have it as well But if you get the LP's, you'll be able to actually decipher the message!!! :0) On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > im confused by the coleman-speak. I am konfoozed. > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:27 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising > > anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived > > always bored me to tears > > There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what > country > > those were > > Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking > for > > them, as I had decided that is what they were > > so my alternate comment would be something like: > > Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or > Lps, > > and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is > scarce > > and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. > Netherlands > > > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > > > > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > > > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop > the > > > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > > > Space > > > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:21:35 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:21:35 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191417j50bb05b1x4db6e16103e6214a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: the tiny little label saying drugs are bad! mauauahahahaha! > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:17:59 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Oh you're looking at Cds...in that case the USA pressings may have it as > well > But if you get the LP's, you'll be able to actually decipher the message!!! > :0) > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > im confused by the coleman-speak. I am konfoozed. > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:27 -0500 > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising > > > anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived > > > always bored me to tears > > > There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what > > country > > > those were > > > Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking > > for > > > them, as I had decided that is what they were > > > so my alternate comment would be something like: > > > Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or > > Lps, > > > and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is > > scarce > > > and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? > > > > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. > > Netherlands > > > > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > > > > > > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > > > > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop > > the > > > > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > > > > Space > > > > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:39:17 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:39:17 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: if i recall correctly from when I used to own the UK "Space Bandits" on GWR it was on there too. > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:21:35 +0200 > From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > the tiny little label saying drugs are bad! mauauahahahaha! > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:17:59 -0500 > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Oh you're looking at Cds...in that case the USA pressings may have it as > > well > > But if you get the LP's, you'll be able to actually decipher the message!!! > > :0) > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > im confused by the coleman-speak. I am konfoozed. > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:27 -0500 > > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > > > first of all, my bad, as it isn't surprising > > > > anything to do with the human race and what they did or where they lived > > > > always bored me to tears > > > > There was always a question mark, I seem to recall, about just what > > > country > > > > those were > > > > Wilfried has them marked Netherlands and that is the way I went looking > > > for > > > > them, as I had decided that is what they were > > > > so my alternate comment would be something like: > > > > Hash pipes, not exactly going to fit in very well with any of my CDs or > > > Lps, > > > > and what are those for?? underpriveledged countrys where marijuana is > > > scarce > > > > and soda-pop isn't available in 12 oz cans or something??? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just checked my USA "Space Bandits" and its on that as well. > > > Netherlands > > > > > pressings: YOU MUST BE JOKING (or SMOKING) > > > > > > > > > > ObCD: Dead Moon "Unknown Passage" > > > > > ObCD2: The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band "Global Brain" > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:27 -0500 > > > > > > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > > > > > > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. > > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop > > > the > > > > > > madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and > > > > > Space > > > > > > Bandits all those years ago??? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:47:50 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:47:50 -0500 Subject: HW: have fun with............ from coleman-speak to norsk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Coleman, this is my letter regarding MEC and MHFSG....... 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OF WHICH you finds From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 19 17:54:09 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:54:09 +0200 Subject: HW: have fun with............ from coleman-speak to norsk In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191447l2404f5dbme49569297e6796c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Straight A's mike, you understand, and you could one day be a true Norseman! > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:47:50 -0500 > From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............ from coleman-speak to norsk > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > > Coleman, this is my letter regarding MEC and MHFSG....... VERSTANDUNG????? > > > here's the 1st translation, I wouldn't chance ordering from these folks!! : > o) > Jeppjeppjepp , certainly p?? Monday. PS: I deceive p?? about they Melody > Energy Commision affairs am CDR or silver CD. Certainly CDR but. becomes > kult only kuuult! Well , a gear at : I've easily after Coronal A lot of > Injection " at Mooseheart Faith p?? CD but finds only a double LP p?? eBay. > Should like had any more than it CDR'en along with am hiding you was making > at my for a few ??r afterwards. In additional am mine genuine MHF cases s?? > vannskadet booklet / scores CD it is the absolutely atrocious. I l??nte you > all at one time around 1999, getting they back fair enough , and " sterile > The lighter " stayed in an bag as became stj??let in Paris as I mellomlandet > at New York p?? julebes??k 2001. N?? have I barely crap " assortment along > with f??kka CD disk's and CDR replacent copies at you and finds NOTHING p?? > September Gurls labelet etc. Bear in mind I booked Cosmic Dialogues " and " > the magic Square Shame In spite of the fact that Sun " straight from SG's > webside in Germany around 1996 and " globally Brain " at Wild Less ( as > stayed world's ball am not sending sequence in Oslo there I getting Advice > Nose and h??rte about Dead Moon around 1990) in 1995. AND at last Execute > Hallgren in Sweden as drev Peace Shame Less Juxtaposition generated I " > sterile The lighter ". It is the absolutely graceful as adjoins psykopater > as my ?? become CONTINUEOUS additional psykotisk ( instead of psychedelisk ) > that is a mere no matter correct. Sj??nner no matter what I thought as I > s??lte lake and mastered ?? scores / become frastj??let any s?? from > inclination as Mooseheart F. CD disk's. S?? OF WHICH you finds _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 19 18:21:35 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:21:35 -0500 Subject: HW: cracking good start to the tour, then? In-Reply-To: <174064.93630.qm@web86210.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 18 Apr 2009, at 03:24 , Mick Crook wrote: > I know what you mean Carl - but I believe the intention was to be > more faithful to the original version. Hearing DB play harmonica > live on stage is something I thought I'd never see. I just wish > he'd played it at the front of the stage instead of disappearing to > the back to play it between verses. I have the feeling I saw HW do "Hurry on Sundown" with Brock on harmonica once ... but I may be hallucinating that! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 08:55:45 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:55:45 +0200 Subject: judge trev is a fuckin piece of shit cocksucker Message-ID: fuck him I HATE TREV fuck BOC-L fuck blind hippie women with dead druggy hubbies fuck Carl Edlund Anderson fuck Hawkwind fuck trading bootlegs fuck ben the kike AND LAST OF FUCK YOU! & last of all "I'm not like YOU" _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From ben at TMK.COM Mon Apr 20 09:15:58 2009 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:15:58 -0400 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Note - this is being sent to the list as a whole because I do *NOT* want any discussion of it. I was aware that Christian signed onto the list under a new email address. I was inclined, based on history, to immediately place him on review so as to prevent him from going off the rails in a public manner. My better nature (vs. better judgement) won out, though, and I decided to provide a kinder, gentler moderation environment. However, he has just gone round the bend and, as such, has been placed back onto moderation. Christian - I am sending the following publicly because, as I said, there will *NOT* be any discussion of this. If, at any time in the future, you subscribe under yet another email address, I *WILL* be placing that subscription immediately on moderation. I have lost count of the number of times that you've gone off the rails and I will no longer tolerate such, by you, on this list. My list... my rules. If you don't like them, go piss up a rope and start your own list where you can go off your meds (or whatever it is that causes you to freak out) for your own audience. BOC-L is *NOT* that place. Ben, wearing the steel-toed boot of list owner From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 10:24:33 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:24:33 +0200 Subject: Hw: AbRaCaDaBra Message-ID: god bless Dave Brock apologies to trev, carl, ben & mary BOC: the blooze (I blame Swann) PS: the only medicine i get are high blood pressure ones. i spit out the zyploxwi pilz. regards The One And Only CHRRRRIIISTIAN THE COMIC BOOK FANTASY YOU WILL NEVER FORGET _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Apr 20 10:52:07 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:52:07 -0700 Subject: judge trev is a fuckin piece of shit cocksucker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there a moderator working on this list because I am offended that this e-mail went through. Whatever Christian is going through I hope he feels better. ? ________________________________ From: Christian Mumford To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:55:45 AM Subject: judge trev is a fuckin piece of shit cocksucker fuck him I HATE TREV fuck BOC-L fuck blind hippie women with dead druggy hubbies fuck Carl Edlund Anderson fuck Hawkwind fuck trading bootlegs fuck ben the kike AND LAST OF FUCK YOU! & last of all "I'm not like YOU" _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 20 10:42:50 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:42:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <919e368d0903210733k6b4fb5fbr7431d68a25f81b28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from > interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself as > much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar *all > goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of guitar > players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and have people > obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play scales at jet > speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, and that in > some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people like Malcolm > Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar playing is one of > the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder if he has any idea. I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, Jon [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... (Brilliant live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Apr 20 10:54:21 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:54:21 -0700 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090420131558.GA20326@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails between the members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to wade through some of the exchanges. Gary ________________________________ From: Ben Cohen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:15:58 AM Subject: Re: Christian... Note - this is being sent to the list as a whole because I do *NOT* want any discussion of it. I was aware that Christian signed onto the list under a new email address. I was inclined, based on history, to immediately place him on review so as to prevent him from going off the rails in a public manner. My better nature (vs. better judgement) won out, though, and I decided to provide a kinder, gentler moderation environment. However, he has just gone round the bend and, as such, has been placed back onto moderation. Christian - I am sending the following publicly because, as I said, there will *NOT* be any discussion of this. If, at any time in the future, you subscribe under yet another email address, I *WILL* be placing that subscription immediately on moderation. I have lost count of the number of times that you've gone off the rails and I will no longer tolerate such, by you, on this list. My list... my rules. If you don't like them, go piss up a rope and start your own list where you can go off your meds (or whatever it is that causes you to freak out) for your own audience. BOC-L is *NOT* that place. Ben, wearing the steel-toed boot of list owner From ben at TMK.COM Mon Apr 20 11:08:41 2009 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:08:41 -0400 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <555011.45404.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails between the > members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to wade through some > of the exchanges. Gary, Please don't take offense at this, but... The door's that way, mate. Or, if you really want to continue this, I can show you just how much "moderation" I'm willing to do. The list is, for the most part, self-moderating. I step in, when and as needed, to place members on "review", which means that I have to approve any postings by them. I do not, normally, provide active moderation of the list. Christian was, previously, on review. He created a new email address and subscribed with it - see my note about this (to which you responded here). As I said - this stops *NOW*. No further discussion. If you're offended by what's happened, then you've got a couple of choices: 1) Act like an adult, realize that things went awry and it's all better now. [In other words, grow a pair and sit down and shut up because it's been handled.] 2) Decide that you don't want to hang around somewhere where it's possible for unmoderated content to leak through and terminate your subscription. 3) Keep whining about this, thereby encouraging me to either place you on review or just boot you myself. Those are the choices. Choose wisely. Ben, putting on the *other* steel-toed boot of list ownership From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Mon Apr 20 11:26:49 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:26:49 +0200 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090420150841.GA21373@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: Although I agree with Gary wishing that personal messages were sent directly instead of to the list, I'd rather not see this list become fully moderated, whereby each and every message sent to the list will be read and approved by the Moderator. I've been on those lists, and it's not a lot of fun. It'll take a couple of hours, if not days, for your message to hit the list. I'd rather suffer through a couple of dozen messages that shouldn't be on the list (for whatever reason) than to see this list go that way. Besides, Ben's got better things to do. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 11:39:57 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:39:57 -0700 Subject: HW: Knights of Space audio mix Message-ID: You know, I have wondered for years what kind of f/x processing the Hawks use for their sound, because I've never heard another band whose guitars sounded like Dave's or Huw's... Colorsound, eh? I'll have to ask Mr. Google what he knows about that... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself as much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar *all goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of guitar players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and have people obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play scales at jet speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, and that in some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people like Malcolm Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar playing is one of the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder if he has any idea. I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, Jon [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... (Brilliant live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Mon Apr 20 11:40:29 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:40:29 +0200 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090420150841.GA21373@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:08:41 -0400, Ben Cohen wrote > > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails between the > > members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to wade through some > > of the exchanges. > > Gary, > > Please don't take offense at this, but... > > The door's that way, mate. Or, if you really want to continue this, > I can show you just how much "moderation" I'm willing to do. Although I agree with Gary wishing that personal messages were sent directly instead of to the list, I'd rather not see this list become fully actively moderated, whereby each and every message sent to the list will be read and approved by the moderator. I've been on those lists, and it's not a lot of fun. It'll take a couple of hours, if not days, for your message to hit the list. I'd rather suffer through a couple of dozen messages that shouldn't be on the list (for whatever reason) than to see this list go that way. Besides, Ben's got better things to do. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 12:21:43 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:21:43 -0700 Subject: HW: colorsound Message-ID: So basically what I culd find on Colorsound is that they make a boatload of f/x pedals. Any notion what Dave was using? If it's varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always wondered most what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid wall of sound like in Hassan I Sabha... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself as much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar *all goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of guitar players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and have people obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play scales at jet speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, and that in some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people like Malcolm Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar playing is one of the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder if he has any idea. I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, Jon [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... (Brilliant live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 12:24:01 2009 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (SickthingsUK) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:01 +0100 Subject: Hawks mention on BBC News Site Message-ID: 'High Rise' mentioned in an article on JG Ballad's passing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8008277.stm From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 20 12:50:44 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:50:44 -0500 Subject: HW: colorsound In-Reply-To: <3323074900.2615269@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is some discussion of this on Starfarer's site, for example: http://www.starfarer.net/storyofwah.html http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html The Coloursound wah pedal is, actually, a reasonably famous bit of cult gear, as it was quite a cool-sounding wah pedal. One sees them pass by on e-Bay from time to time -- or used to, at least. I remember bidding in an auction for one some years back, when I still lived in the UK, but the price quickly started to get stupid! (Much though I like cool old guitar toys, I think one needs to keep in mind that a lot of those famous sounds were made by players using whatever they happened to get access to -- and so there's only so much point in stressing over the gear! :) And, clearly, Brock is like the antithesis of a guitar gear geek, so he probably had his Coloursound wah because he went out to buy a wah pedal and found that particular one at a price he liked!). Cheers, Carl On 20 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Steve Swann wrote: > So basically what I culd find on Colorsound is that they make a > boatload of f/x pedals. Any notion what Dave was using? If it's > varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always wondered > most what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid wall of > sound like in Hassan I Sabha... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett > Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am > Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > > > >> I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from > interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of > himself as > much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar *all > goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of guitar > players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and have > people > obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play scales at jet > speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, and that in > some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people like Malcolm > Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar playing is > one of > the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder if he has any > idea. > > I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A > with Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in > which > someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment > and he > named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for > more > guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, "but I > like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know why we're > so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing with > sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff > because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but > there > is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and I > don't > think he gets that :-( Yours, > Jon > > [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band > Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded > to me > like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by > sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a > Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... > (Brilliant > live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) > > P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you > pointed > anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 13:14:01 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:14:01 +0100 Subject: judge trev is a fuckin piece of shit cocksucker In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:55:45 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 13:21:03 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:21:03 +0100 Subject: [gary shindler: Re: Christian...] Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 13:34:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:34:38 -0500 Subject: [gary shindler: Re: Christian...] In-Reply-To: <200904201721.n3KHL3TL009324@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: take a look in the mirror before you set out to work trust me On 4/20/09, M Holmes wrote: > > > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails > > between the members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to > > wade through some of the exchanges. > > Seconded. > > OFF topic is one thing. Sundry stream-of-conciousness nonsense messages > batted between the same three members of the list needs to be kept to > reasonable levels or taken to private mail. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 14:20:25 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:20:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ICU supported Spirit on their Potato Land tour of the UK The girls didn't notice Randy because they were all looking at ME ME ME ME... trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Mumford" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:59 PM To: Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead >> Greetings to all >> >> Responding to Christian >> ,, >> Well, I liked them both, and I really enjoyed your posting. If you're >> into >> comics you'll need Randy California's Potato Land, the first side is all >> right, with a dance music version of the Potato land theme, the second >> side >> is a lot of fun, and it has a comic book in it. Randy's father, Ed is on >> it >> too. That poor man, to lose his son, and grandson to drowning. > > Randy Abeck made a cassette of Potatoland for me which i listened to a few > times in the 90s/around 2000. I remember it was a disco thing that didn't > grab me at the time. But I am sure I need the original LP/CD with book! > > >> Sure, I got it your posting was creative bs. I never got a taste for >> beer, >> cig.s, coffee, or any other stim.s, but I like everything else. > > Well, yeah but you gotta have that TOO :-) > >> Sorry about the way my emails are coming through, I don't have a place >> for >> the subject field, since my outlook is buggy, I guess it's there since >> I'm >> replying. Anyone have any ideas why Outlook is being so strange. >> >> Hippy trails, >> >> Mary >> >> P.S. Getting myself psyched for The Dead show Sunday. I know, many on >> this >> list don't care for them, (to put it mildly), many Deadheads don't get >> Hawkwind either. I love them both, I have to stay after I heard Space >> Ritual I fell in love with Hawkwind. > > > The Grateful Dead have reformed??? What about Jerry Garcia RIP 1995??? I > had a friend in NJ , Nate who played AoxomoxoA in the car. I really like > "Mountains Of The Moon"! Nate had seen the Dead like 200 times and done > acid every time. He was the guy I first did acid with spring 1992. He was > totally my best pal my first year at art school. > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:28 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> interview) >> >> >> Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and >> being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" >> but >> then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter >> LP >> was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I >> once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post >> below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote >> Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about >> Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. >> >> Christian >> >> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 >> > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> > interview) >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > >> > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the >> > name >> > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases >> > that >> > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. >> > I >> > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for >> > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're >> > posting >> > so much, lately. >> > >> > Peace, >> > >> > Mary >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford >> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> > interview) >> > >> > >> > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The >> > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult >> > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song >> > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' >> > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his >> > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" >> > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! >> > >> > >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" >> > >> > >> > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final >> > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a >> > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest >> > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will >> > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Carl Edlund Anderson >> > > http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live >> > Spaces. It's easy! >> > >> http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& >> > mkt=en-us >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 20 14:41:10 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:41:10 -0400 Subject: HW: have fun with............. In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904191342t2f752037rf8034be61598c533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Concerning "Stop the madness..", Sorry, can't put in a subject field on this end, still. Don't know if it shows up on yours. from what I was told by the band since we were working with them at the time was that "Stop the madness..." was a thing the record companies had to comply with. We laughed when we got our pressing from the band and Chris read me that. We'd heard them much earlier since we were sent copies (with filler) before the release of each album. I'd always figured that message was on all the pressings. I realize, many who are on the list aren't Dead fans, I really have to tell you all that last night was an absolutely amazing show. One of the best Dead shows I've ever experienced. The space was very techno, they didn't do any of their worn out songs, like Minglewood, and the old standards were very fresh, and well arranged. The show was very up tempo, and the audience was in sync. with the band. It was really very crazy-fun, a friend who can see was leading 2 of us blind folks through "Shakedown Street,) the um, supermarket. It gets very crowded, we managed it all right and found what we needed for the show. I'd have like to have done a bit more shopping, but that's all right. Just want to let you all know, I had a good dose of therapy this weekend, and thanks to the generosity of friends from the forum, I'll be doing my trip to PA in less than a couple of weeks. Thanks for your indulgence. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: have fun with............. On 4/19/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > http://www.hash-pipes.co.uk/ Isn't it mind-numbing how Roadrunner somehow knew to put the "stop the madness" messages on the Netherlands pressings of Palace Springs and Space Bandits all those years ago??? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 15:00:05 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:00:05 -0500 Subject: Mike Holmes appearing as GOD Message-ID: 1) My words were actually more self-inclusive than anything, and I did not realise they came out too blunt 2) I am already ahead of this, as I know darned well about my posts being too numerous 3) I have found myself "drawn in" by the use of my name on the board 4) If anybody is cramming me out of home with posts, I will mail them priavtely 5) I declined from sharing my opinions with Christian 6) Mike Holmes can reduce me to LESS than the Spinal Tap green speck with the tiniest gesture of just the first joint on his pointer finger 7) If he carries out such an act, I like to think I will get over personal anger, and our friendship which goes beyond forum, will continue, you see he remained a friend when I went to England without lookibng in the mirror 8) My ex-friend Eric lost his job at an old-folks home for showing up in Motley Crue make-up that some girls put on him while he was drunken-asleep, and not looking in the mirror 9) this list, to Mike's credit, has "FoFP" mode, which is just cool as hell with me Love Peace I know what I need to do!@!!! On 4/20/09, mike coleman wrote: > > take a look in the mirror before you set out to work > trust me > > > On 4/20/09, M Holmes wrote: >> >> > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails >> > between the members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to >> > wade through some of the exchanges. >> >> Seconded. >> >> OFF topic is one thing. Sundry stream-of-conciousness nonsense messages >> batted between the same three members of the list needs to be kept to >> reasonable levels or taken to private mail. >> >> FoFP >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> > > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Apr 20 18:04:17 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:04:17 -0400 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090420152649.M44192@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > Although I agree with Gary wishing that personal messages were sent directly > instead of to the list, I'd rather not see this list become fully moderated, > whereby each and every message sent to the list will be read and approved by > the Moderator. I've been on those lists, and it's not a lot of fun. It'll take > a couple of hours, if not days, for your message to hit the list. > > I'd rather suffer through a couple of dozen messages that shouldn't be on the > list (for whatever reason) than to see this list go that way. > > Besides, Ben's got better things to do. > I use a killfile to delete the messages. Christian was in there under a different address. Until that last message, I didn't see any reason to add the new one. From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 18:15:09 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:15:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Hw: AbRaCaDaBra Message-ID: Zyprexa? I've taken that. I think it's good if you want to have low brain activity, sleeep, gain lots of weight. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Christian Mumford < royalistradio at hotmail.com> wrote: > god bless Dave Brock > > apologies to trev, carl, ben & mary > > BOC: the blooze (I blame Swann) > > PS: the only medicine i get are high blood pressure ones. i spit out the > zyploxwi pilz. > > regards > The One And Only > CHRRRRIIISTIAN THE COMIC BOOK FANTASY YOU WILL NEVER FORGET > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 20 19:00:48 2009 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:00:48 EDT Subject: Christian... Message-ID: I had it set so all emails from him went to the spam folder. Once I found out he had a new email address that was sent to spam as well. Credit to the moderator... but we really do not want to see replies to posts such as those... so please do not quote the text, the subject line or anything from this guy. Instead, look at Christian the Lion. Goodnight folks. Stay safe and stay well. Steve. In a message dated 20/04/2009 23:05:10 GMT Standard Time, jguizar at STNY.RR.COM writes: I use a killfile to delete the messages. Christian was in there under a different address. Until that last message, I didn't see any reason to add the new one. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 20 20:43:10 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:43:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Trev, That must have been a lot of fun. When they did that tour here in Boston, Ed was dressed up like a giant potato outside the club for a few hours. Unfortunately, I didn't know about it back then. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of trev Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:20 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead ICU supported Spirit on their Potato Land tour of the UK The girls didn't notice Randy because they were all looking at ME ME ME ME... trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Mumford" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:59 PM To: Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead >> Greetings to all >> >> Responding to Christian >> ,, >> Well, I liked them both, and I really enjoyed your posting. If you're >> into >> comics you'll need Randy California's Potato Land, the first side is all >> right, with a dance music version of the Potato land theme, the second >> side >> is a lot of fun, and it has a comic book in it. Randy's father, Ed is on >> it >> too. That poor man, to lose his son, and grandson to drowning. > > Randy Abeck made a cassette of Potatoland for me which i listened to a few > times in the 90s/around 2000. I remember it was a disco thing that didn't > grab me at the time. But I am sure I need the original LP/CD with book! > > >> Sure, I got it your posting was creative bs. I never got a taste for >> beer, >> cig.s, coffee, or any other stim.s, but I like everything else. > > Well, yeah but you gotta have that TOO :-) > >> Sorry about the way my emails are coming through, I don't have a place >> for >> the subject field, since my outlook is buggy, I guess it's there since >> I'm >> replying. Anyone have any ideas why Outlook is being so strange. >> >> Hippy trails, >> >> Mary >> >> P.S. Getting myself psyched for The Dead show Sunday. I know, many on >> this >> list don't care for them, (to put it mildly), many Deadheads don't get >> Hawkwind either. I love them both, I have to stay after I heard Space >> Ritual I fell in love with Hawkwind. > > > The Grateful Dead have reformed??? What about Jerry Garcia RIP 1995??? I > had a friend in NJ , Nate who played AoxomoxoA in the car. I really like > "Mountains Of The Moon"! Nate had seen the Dead like 200 times and done > acid every time. He was the guy I first did acid with spring 1992. He was > totally my best pal my first year at art school. > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:28 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> interview) >> >> >> Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and >> being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" >> but >> then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter >> LP >> was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I >> once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post >> below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote >> Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about >> Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. >> >> Christian >> >> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 >> > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> > interview) >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > >> > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the >> > name >> > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases >> > that >> > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. >> > I >> > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for >> > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're >> > posting >> > so much, lately. >> > >> > Peace, >> > >> > Mary >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford >> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey >> > interview) >> > >> > >> > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The >> > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult >> > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song >> > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' >> > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his >> > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" >> > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! >> > >> > >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" >> > >> > >> > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final >> > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a >> > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest >> > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will >> > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Carl Edlund Anderson >> > > http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live >> > Spaces. It's easy! >> > >> http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& >> > mkt=en-us >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 20 20:53:15 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:53:15 -0400 Subject: Hw: AbRaCaDaBra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know that you owe me any apologies. I've been away for a few days, so I don't know what's been happening here, however I don't know that you've flamed me, or insulted me in any way. Just calm down, say what you want, and don't overload people, that's only what I try to do. Stay cool, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Owen O'Neill Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:15 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Re: Hw: AbRaCaDaBra Zyprexa? I've taken that. I think it's good if you want to have low brain activity, sleeep, gain lots of weight. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Christian Mumford < royalistradio at hotmail.com> wrote: > god bless Dave Brock > > apologies to trev, carl, ben & mary > > BOC: the blooze (I blame Swann) > > PS: the only medicine i get are high blood pressure ones. i spit out the > zyploxwi pilz. > > regards > The One And Only > CHRRRRIIISTIAN THE COMIC BOOK FANTASY YOU WILL NEVER FORGET > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 20 21:03:20 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:03:20 -0400 Subject: [gary shindler: Re: Christian...] In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904201034w40bd28dfg625ebc900443f9bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Concerning forum ediquet, this sounds reasonable to me, sorry for some of my long rants, (flashbacks). Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: [gary shindler: Re: Christian...] take a look in the mirror before you set out to work trust me On 4/20/09, M Holmes wrote: > > > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails > > between the members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to > > wade through some of the exchanges. > > Seconded. > > OFF topic is one thing. Sundry stream-of-conciousness nonsense messages > batted between the same three members of the list needs to be kept to > reasonable levels or taken to private mail. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 20 21:13:26 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:13:26 -0400 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090420150841.GA21373@bmc.tmk.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, You're doing us a great favor keeping this forum happening, thanks. Concerning our rampant poster, I think the whole thing comes down to forum etiquette, I do hope he gets the hang of it. He is a nice person, with some intelligent questions, and postings. I hope this is the end of this discussion. Still working on getting the Outlook fixed to display subject field, any ideas? Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ben Cohen Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:09 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Christian... > I wish members on the list would keep the more personal e-mails between the > members and not posting to the list. I don't have time to wade through some > of the exchanges. Gary, Please don't take offense at this, but... The door's that way, mate. Or, if you really want to continue this, I can show you just how much "moderation" I'm willing to do. The list is, for the most part, self-moderating. I step in, when and as needed, to place members on "review", which means that I have to approve any postings by them. I do not, normally, provide active moderation of the list. Christian was, previously, on review. He created a new email address and subscribed with it - see my note about this (to which you responded here). As I said - this stops *NOW*. No further discussion. If you're offended by what's happened, then you've got a couple of choices: 1) Act like an adult, realize that things went awry and it's all better now. [In other words, grow a pair and sit down and shut up because it's been handled.] 2) Decide that you don't want to hang around somewhere where it's possible for unmoderated content to leak through and terminate your subscription. 3) Keep whining about this, thereby encouraging me to either place you on review or just boot you myself. Those are the choices. Choose wisely. Ben, putting on the *other* steel-toed boot of list ownership From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 21 05:54:02 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:54:02 +0100 Subject: HW: colorsound In-Reply-To: A<1A6AE7F5-0C1B-4C97-BE65-920ECE97526D@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Recently, some of the Colo(u)rsound peals have been revived, with (as far as possible) original spec components, but they are priced more as "boutique" pedals and in a limited production run, rather than as the more affordable items that they were originally. You may find that some of the modern multifunctional modelling pedals have emulations, but don't quote me on that :-) Equally, there are probably pedals out there that have very similar circuitry & sound if you do a bit of research... Cheers Chris Warburton NP:David Toop - Screen Ceremonies -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 20 April 2009 17:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: colorsound There is some discussion of this on Starfarer's site, for example: http://www.starfarer.net/storyofwah.html http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html The Coloursound wah pedal is, actually, a reasonably famous bit of cult gear, as it was quite a cool-sounding wah pedal. One sees them pass by on e-Bay from time to time -- or used to, at least. I remember bidding in an auction for one some years back, when I still lived in the UK, but the price quickly started to get stupid! (Much though I like cool old guitar toys, I think one needs to keep in mind that a lot of those famous sounds were made by players using whatever they happened to get access to -- and so there's only so much point in stressing over the gear! :) And, clearly, Brock is like the antithesis of a guitar gear geek, so he probably had his Coloursound wah because he went out to buy a wah pedal and found that particular one at a price he liked!). Cheers, Carl On 20 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Steve Swann wrote: > So basically what I culd find on Colorsound is that they make a > boatload of f/x pedals. Any notion what Dave was using? If it's > varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always wondered most > what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid wall of sound > like in Hassan I Sabha... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett > Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am > Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > > > >> I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from > interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself > as much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar > *all goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of > guitar players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and > have people obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play > scales at jet speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, > and that in some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people > like Malcolm Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar > playing is one of the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder > if he has any idea. > > I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with > Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which > someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and > he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for > more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, > "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know > why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing > with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff > because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but > there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and > I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, > Jon > > [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band > Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to > me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by > sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a > Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... > (Brilliant > live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) > > P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you > pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, > Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). 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Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 21 06:27:35 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:27:35 +0100 Subject: HW: colorsound In-Reply-To: A<7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBA8@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: In fact, try here: http://www.macaris.co.uk/product_range.asp?typeID=27&catID=5 Cheers Chris Warburton -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 20 April 2009 17:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: colorsound There is some discussion of this on Starfarer's site, for example: http://www.starfarer.net/storyofwah.html http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html The Coloursound wah pedal is, actually, a reasonably famous bit of cult gear, as it was quite a cool-sounding wah pedal. One sees them pass by on e-Bay from time to time -- or used to, at least. I remember bidding in an auction for one some years back, when I still lived in the UK, but the price quickly started to get stupid! (Much though I like cool old guitar toys, I think one needs to keep in mind that a lot of those famous sounds were made by players using whatever they happened to get access to -- and so there's only so much point in stressing over the gear! :) And, clearly, Brock is like the antithesis of a guitar gear geek, so he probably had his Coloursound wah because he went out to buy a wah pedal and found that particular one at a price he liked!). Cheers, Carl On 20 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Steve Swann wrote: > So basically what I culd find on Colorsound is that they make a > boatload of f/x pedals. Any notion what Dave was using? If it's > varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always wondered most > what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid wall of sound > like in Hassan I Sabha... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett > Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am > Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: > > > >> I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from > interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself > as much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar > *all goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of > guitar players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and > have people obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play > scales at jet speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, > and that in some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people > like Malcolm Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar > playing is one of the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder > if he has any idea. > > I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with > Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which > someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and > he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for > more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, > "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know > why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing > with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff > because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but > there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and > I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, > Jon > > [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band > Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to > me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by > sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a > Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... > (Brilliant > live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) > > P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you > pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, > Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). 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Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 07:20:35 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:20:35 +0100 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: Jerry G's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:04:17 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 07:38:54 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:38:54 +0800 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <200904211120.n3LBKZKB015523@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sounds like bare-faced racism to me... 2009/4/21 M Holmes > I quickly discovered how this works when I called > Hamas, the mascot murderers of the lefties in the union, "Halal > Halfwits". I was expelled from the list after an anonymous accusation > of "racist" despite the illogic of claiming this when no race on the > Halal diet/ritual can actually be identified and notwithstanding the > fact that I made it extremely clear from context that I meant the insult > only to include Hamas. My argument was essentially that calling them > "terrorists" gives them an elan of fear which they seek, and seeing them > in comedy terms would help undermine their power. > From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Apr 21 08:06:45 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:06:45 +0200 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904210438x67e07769q21e76a472b244786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:38:54 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote > Sounds like bare-faced racism to me... Well, no racism without a race, so what's this race called, then? The Halaians, perhaps? ;-) Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 08:42:00 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:42:00 +0800 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <20090421120551.M40933@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: I assume you meant the Palestinians? Perhaps wrongly. Do you talk about 'Kosher Halfwits' too?However, I guess this is not the place for this type of political discussion. JS 2009/4/21 Arjan Hulsebos > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:38:54 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote > > Sounds like bare-faced racism to me... > > Well, no racism without a race, so what's this race called, then? The > Halaians, perhaps? ;-) > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > -------------------------------- > Rock in the 70ies: > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Apr 21 09:02:39 2009 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:02:39 +0200 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904210542j73cbd1a9of6517d9bef398876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:42:00 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote > I assume you meant the Palestinians? Perhaps wrongly. Do you talk about > 'Kosher Halfwits' too?However, I guess this is not the place for > this type of political discussion. The Palestinians are Semites, and so are the Jews. It always amuses me when Semites are called "anti-Semites". People cry racism, fascism, nazism, whatever-ism far too easy, and mostly when it's plainly wrong. Mike's statement might be insulting to those who eat Halal, but it has nothing to do with race. On the other hand, Mike likes to call followers of some leftish ideas and/or misconceptions "fascists", whereas, obviously, they're not. The bottom line: just don't use big words unless you fully understand what they mean. And your average -ism is a big word. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Apr 21 09:08:10 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:08:10 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Apr 24 2009 9:00P Area 81 rock club - Bristol Bristol, Southwest May 2 2009 9:00P Red Lion - Northfleet Gravesend, London and South East May 21 2009 9:00P The SAL Rock n Ale Pub - Nottingham Nottingham, Midlands May 22 2009 9:00P The Black Market - Worksop Worksop, Midlands May 23 2009 9:00P The Riverside Bar - Selby Selby - North Yorkshire, Northeast May 29 2009 9:00P Yam Yamz - Ilfracombe Ilfracombe, Southwest May 30 2009 9:00P The Mitre - Crediton Credition, Southwest Jun 5 2009 9:00P The Bell - Swindon Swindon Jun 6 2009 9:00P The Tower Tavern - London London, W1, London and South East Jul 10 2009 9:00P The George - Bradford on Avon Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, Southwest Headsmith is doing a tour..Check out their dates. For more complete info, sound files and more, see: http://www.myspace.com/headsmithband _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile2_042009 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 09:17:26 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:17:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: what's racism? In-Reply-To: Jonathan Smith's message of Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:38:54 +0800 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 09:19:15 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:19:15 +0100 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: Jonathan Smith's message of Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:42:00 +0800 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 09:25:20 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:25:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: what's racism? In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:02:39 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 21 09:27:24 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:27:24 -0400 Subject: Christian... In-Reply-To: <200904211120.n3LBKZKB015523@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike, you have a brilliant way of keeping things in perspective. My dad was in the steel workers union, he did arbitration between the other machinists, and management. A real high stress job. Everyone in my history class was against unions accept me. The anti-Semitism has to stop. I agree, this is a very well run forum, and we all have respect for each other's beliefs. I'm glad to be a part of this group. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Christian... Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > Although I agree with Gary wishing that personal messages were sent directly > instead of to the list, I'd rather not see this list become fully moderated, Me neither. My point to Mike and the others wasn't a request for censorship but simply pointing out that while a little of something can be amusing, a lot of it can be annoying. I'm happy to trust them to know when they've torn the breeks out of it, even if, like us all at times, it needs the occasional prod from a friend. Whatever it is that happens with Christian when he gets out-and-out offensive, I'm happy enough for Ben to take care of. Ben's judgement has always looked pretty solid to me. I've meant to say for a while that I think this list is astonishingly well-managed and that its denizens are an example to all in their politeness to each other even while in disagreement. I recently became an activist in my union and joined their activists list. That the lefties in the union wouldn't like my political views, I took as read. Notwithstanding, I'm astonished that people whose profession is analysing dispassionately arguments they do not hold, could be so vindictive, illogical, and just plain unable to address the argument rather than make ad hominem attacks. I discovered that prior to my arrival, Jews and their supporter had not only been bullied from the list, but indeed a few had been driven from the union itself. I quickly discovered how this works when I called Hamas, the mascot murderers of the lefties in the union, "Halal Halfwits". I was expelled from the list after an anonymous accusation of "racist" despite the illogic of claiming this when no race on the Halal diet/ritual can actually be identified and notwithstanding the fact that I made it extremely clear from context that I meant the insult only to include Hamas. My argument was essentially that calling them "terrorists" gives them an elan of fear which they seek, and seeing them in comedy terms would help undermine their power. That this could happen at all is surprising. That it could happen with anonymous accusation, denial of any defence, summary judgement, no limitation of sentence, and denial of appeal, is frankly astounding in a modern trade union. If an employer tried doing this to a member, the union would take action. The contrast with the mature way this list debated issues of music piracy and potential solutions, a debate I'm aware concerns the very livelihood of some people participating, was just about as extreme as it'd be possible to get. You guys should congratulate yourselves on that. You really are an example (at least to a bunch of academics who should quite obviously know better) of how things can and should be done. Short form : Yay You! FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 09:39:57 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:39:57 +0100 Subject: Back on Topic: "R" for "Roadhawks" Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 09:52:11 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:52:11 +0800 Subject: OFF: what's racism? In-Reply-To: <200904211325.n3LDPKm0026229@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: So what are the English? "Fish 'n' Chip Halfwits"? :) Americans "Hamburger Halfwits"? Rather than '-isms,' we classify people by their eating habits? People who eat Halal food are a *very* large group. Yes, it is ironic that the Israelis constantly cry 'anti-semite,' when they mean anyone who criticizes Zionism, whilst they murder fellow semites. There are Russians, Ethiopians and others who are not at all semitic living in Isreal. 2009/4/21 M Holmes > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:42:00 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote > > > I assume you meant the Palestinians? Perhaps wrongly. Do you talk about > > > 'Kosher Halfwits' too?However, I guess this is not the place for > > > this type of political discussion. > > > > The Palestinians are Semites, and so are the Jews. It always amuses me > when > > Semites are called "anti-Semites". > > Indeed. I'd bet for those living in Israel and not recently immigrated, > it'd be impossible to even genetically distinguish between Jews and > Arabs. > > > People cry racism, fascism, nazism, whatever-ism far too easy, and mostly > when > > it's plainly wrong. > > Indeed, but being wrong isn't usually a problem when they can be > politically correct. > > > Mike's statement might be insulting to those who eat Halal, > > It shouldn't be if they can read English. If someone called our Scottish > terrorists (one who couldn't even set fire to his own shoes, and one who > managed only to set fire to himself) "Haggis Halfwits", I wouldn't take > offence just because I eat haggis. > > > but it has nothing to do with race. On the other hand, Mike likes to > > call followers of some leftish ideas and/or misconceptions "fascists", > > whereas, obviously, they're not. > > I dunno. I suspect many of the local socialists in our union have gone a > long way down the route to being national socialists. They certainly > hate those of the same religion which the nazis did. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Apr 21 09:55:29 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:55:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: what's racism? In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904210652jfe59c91uc852f7f7ebd47cf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Could we please kill this conversation? It completely unrelated to the topics at hand, and is, quite honestly, offensive. Thanks, Arin -------------------------------------------- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 tel: (773)834-4087 fax: (773)702-0559 -------------------------------------------- : -----Original Message----- : From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC- : L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith : Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:52 AM : To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET : Subject: Re: OFF: what's racism? : : So what are the English? "Fish 'n' Chip Halfwits"? :) Americans : "Hamburger : Halfwits"? : : Rather than '-isms,' we classify people by their eating habits? People : who : eat Halal food are a *very* large group. : : Yes, it is ironic that the Israelis constantly cry 'anti-semite,' when : they : mean anyone who criticizes Zionism, whilst they murder fellow semites. : There : are Russians, Ethiopians and others who are not at all semitic living : in : Isreal. : 2009/4/21 M Holmes : : > Arjan Hulsebos writes: : > : > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:42:00 +0800, Jonathan Smith wrote : > > > I assume you meant the Palestinians? Perhaps wrongly. Do you talk : about : > > > 'Kosher Halfwits' too?However, I guess this is not the place for : > > > this type of political discussion. : > > : > > The Palestinians are Semites, and so are the Jews. It always amuses : me : > when : > > Semites are called "anti-Semites". : > : > Indeed. I'd bet for those living in Israel and not recently : immigrated, : > it'd be impossible to even genetically distinguish between Jews and : > Arabs. : > : > > People cry racism, fascism, nazism, whatever-ism far too easy, and : mostly : > when : > > it's plainly wrong. : > : > Indeed, but being wrong isn't usually a problem when they can be : > politically correct. : > : > > Mike's statement might be insulting to those who eat Halal, : > : > It shouldn't be if they can read English. If someone called our : Scottish : > terrorists (one who couldn't even set fire to his own shoes, and one : who : > managed only to set fire to himself) "Haggis Halfwits", I wouldn't : take : > offence just because I eat haggis. : > : > > but it has nothing to do with race. On the other hand, Mike likes : to : > > call followers of some leftish ideas and/or misconceptions : "fascists", : > > whereas, obviously, they're not. : > : > I dunno. I suspect many of the local socialists in our union have : gone a : > long way down the route to being national socialists. They certainly : > hate those of the same religion which the nazis did. : > : > FoFP : > : > -- : > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in : > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. : > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 10:25:58 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:25:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: what's racism? In-Reply-To: Jonathan Smith's message of Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:52:11 +0800 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 21 11:55:11 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:55:11 +0100 Subject: Back on Topic: "R" for "Roadhawks" In-Reply-To: A<200904211339.n3LDdvkK028177@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Waaaay cooool Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 21 April 2009 14:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Back on Topic: "R" for "Roadhawks" "Well, we can make some modifications..." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html?_r=2&8dpc -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). 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In-Reply-To: <200904211425.n3LEPwHo002590@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Racism is one of the manifestations of a lack of awareness OR A tool to destroy your enemy with Judge Trev website: http://www.judgetrev.com AND THE BEAST WAS CAST ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF BURNING FIRE AND THE REST OF THEM WERE SLAIN BY THE ONE UPON THE WHITE HORSE AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR only two more "atomgod" lp's left now (vgc unplayed) featuring algy ward from the damned...algy ward...algy ward... the album is a treatise on "death" ?15 each plus postage (shipping) he he Trev ps. my dad liberated belsen (H. Thoms, Royal Horse Artillery, 11th Armoured division) -------------------------------------------------- From: "M Holmes" Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:25 PM To: Subject: Re: OFF: what's racism? > Jonathan Smith writes: > >> So what are the English? "Fish 'n' Chip Halfwits"? :) > > I think it has to alliterate to work. Remember the aim is to undermine > through humour... > >> Americans "Hamburger Halfwits"? > > That's good! Mind if I use it if the occasion should arise? > >> Rather than '-isms,' we classify people by their eating habits? People >> who >> eat Halal food are a *very* large group. > > So? > >> Yes, it is ironic that the Israelis constantly cry 'anti-semite,' when >> they >> mean anyone who criticizes Zionism, whilst they murder fellow semites. > > The left jump up and down about that, but so far no flag-rending or > knicker-twisting about the Halal Halfwits (and by this I mean Hamas, > should anyone not be keeping up) themselves murdering and torturing > Palestinians: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4457699.stm > > Hamas are accused of killing 18 Palestinians (two in custody) and > torturing and maiming 74 others by kneecapping, or breaking arms and > legs. > > http://www.abc26.com/pages/abc26news_completestorylist_landing/?Report-Hamas-killed-maimed-dozens-of-opp=1&blockID=270394&feedID=24 > > Near as I can tell, the lefties are prepared to overlook killing a few > Palestinians so long as Hamas, in Monty Python terms, really really > hate the Jews. > > And of course the real reason I'm banned is that I had the temerity to > point out this hypocrisy. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 21 13:15:16 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:15:16 -0500 Subject: HW: colorsound In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBA9@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: But no revived Coloursound wah? I have it in mind that there was a Coloursound wah revival, but perhaps it's been discontinued. Well, for those kinds of prices, I could get one of those snazzy Teese Wizard wahs or something. Not at all associated with Hawkwind, but very fine wah pedals. :) As it stands, however, since my old Thomas Organ Crybaby is kind of sick and weak these days, I simply use a stock Dunlop Jimi Hendrix wah. (If it was good enough for Zakk Wylde in his pre-signature model days, then it's good enough for me .... ;)) Cheers, Carl On 21 Apr 2009, at 05:27, Chris Warburton wrote: > In fact, try here: > http://www.macaris.co.uk/product_range.asp?typeID=27&catID=5 > Cheers > Chris Warburton > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC- > L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 20 April 2009 17:51 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: colorsound > > There is some discussion of this on Starfarer's site, for example: > http://www.starfarer.net/storyofwah.html > http://www.starfarer.net/gtrstuff.html > > The Coloursound wah pedal is, actually, a reasonably famous bit of > cult > gear, as it was quite a cool-sounding wah pedal. One sees them > pass by > on e-Bay from time to time -- or used to, at least. I remember bidding > in an auction for one some years back, when I still lived in the > UK, but > the price quickly started to get stupid! > > (Much though I like cool old guitar toys, I think one needs to keep in > mind that a lot of those famous sounds were made by players using > whatever they happened to get access to -- and so there's only so much > point in stressing over the gear! :) And, clearly, Brock is like the > antithesis of a guitar gear geek, so he probably had his > Coloursound wah > because he went out to buy a wah pedal and found that particular > one at > a price he liked!). > > Cheers, > Carl > > > On 20 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Steve Swann wrote: > >> So basically what I culd find on Colorsound is that they make a >> boatload of f/x pedals. Any notion what Dave was using? If it's >> varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always wondered most >> what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid wall of sound >> like in Hassan I Sabha... >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Jarrett >> Date: Monday, Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am >> Subject: Re: HW: Knights of Space audio mix >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:33:12AM -0400, Steve Swann typed out: >> >> >> >>> I still think it's funny that Dave (based on what I've heard from >> interviews and comments of his) apparently doesn't think of himself >> as much of a guitar player, while l could listen to him play guitar >> *all goddamn day* (and I have), and prefer him over any number of >> guitar players who win Guitar Player Magazine readers awards, and >> have people obsessively trying to copy their wanky "watch me play >> scales at jet speed" style... I know it's not quite the same thing, >> and that in some ways it makes more sense to compare him to people >> like Malcolm Young, but you guys know what I mean. Dave's guitar >> playing is one of the great musical treasures of the world, I wonder >> if he has any idea. >> >> I must have said this before, but there was some online Q&A with > >> Dave, possibly even one of the IRC chats they used to do, in which >> someone asked him what his favourite instrument was at the moment and >> he named a sequencer. This caused someone else on the chat to beg for >> more guitar and he made appropriate noises but said something like, >> "but I like sequencers..." So I think you're right, he doesn't know >> why we're so keen on his guitar. But there's loads of people messing >> with sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* >> stuff > >> because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but >> there is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] >> and > >> I don't think he gets that :-( Yours, >> Jon >> >> [1] With the exception of the guitarist of the erstwhile doom band >> Warhorse, who was playing rather different stuff but still sounded to >> me like he had managed to replicate Dave's old Coloursound pedal by >> sorcery. Their bassist was a big guy with mutton-chop sideburns and a >> Rickenbacker, too. I figure they knew what they were doing... >> (Brilliant >> live band, I was very upset when I heard they'd stopped.) >> >> P.S. I've been having some trouble with the list today so if you >> pointed anything at me I probably missed it, sorry. >> -- >> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" >> (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, >> Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk >> > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any > attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > They > may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone > other > than the intended recipient. 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By > replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. > > Thank you. > > UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited > which > is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate > House, > 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The > OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 21 13:31:26 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:31:26 -0500 Subject: HW: colorsound In-Reply-To: <3323074900.2615269@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 2009, at 11:21, Steve Swann wrote: > If it's varied over the years, which I presume it has, I always > wondered most what he was using in the late 90's to get that solid > wall of sound like in Hassan I Sabha... Which Hassan I Sabha are you thinking of? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 21 13:46:07 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:46:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Knights of Space audio mix In-Reply-To: <20090420144250.GM32212@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 2009, at 09:42, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > But there's loads of people messing with > sequenceers out there, and many of them are doing *similar* stuff > because now anyone can set this sort of thing up on a laptop, but > there > is *no-one* playing guitar who makes it sound like Brock,[1] and I > don't > think he gets that :-( Yup. :/ Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 18:29:38 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:29:38 +0200 Subject: calling Hawkjoe Message-ID: Hello Johan Edlundh........ please send me the 3 CDRs we had discussed :-) I can send blanks if you need. namely: 1997 Italian book CD Hawxtar ALL OF WHICH I USED TO have the originals. contact me off list at royalistradio at hotmail.com regards, Martyr of the Month Award winner Christian who can never be like other people anymore (and who wonders if Ben got the joke :-) ObCD: Sugar "Copper Blue" ObActor: Ben Kingsley as Ghandi ObMovie: Shindler's List _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 22 08:06:45 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:06:45 +0100 Subject: OFF, BRAIN: If you pirate music, you're downloading Message-ID: communism! Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <498768.71375.qm at web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:46:30AM -0700, gary shindler typed out: > I personally stopped downloading and burning years ago. A member > recently offered me a burn and I turned it down. If I wanted it that > bad I'd buy it and hopefully the artist would be compensated for my > purchase. I resisted digital music for a while because of feelings like this. Nowadays I regard MP3s as free promos; some day I'll get round to buying genuine copies of the things I've got `unofficially', if I'm listening to them. The problem is of course that that doesn't do the artist much good, because the system is broke. > I even try not to buy used copies, the artist doesn't get any pay for > that. All those promo copies filling up record stores that DJs would > hock for "other things" that comes out of the artist's advance. Albert > wants to be paid for his work, that's not a crime. Maybe I don't have the way it works correct here, but the artist is paid by the label releasing the album, right, according to how many copies distributors pick up for sale to actual retailers. So the artist with a conventional record deal is separated from the actual buyer by three stages, except for sales at gigs where usually, if they have a deal, they have to be a distributor and retailer as well, buying stock to sell themselves. Have I got the model wrong? So take Albert as an example. Because of my being short of money at the wrong time, I didn't get a copy of The Brain Surgeons' _Denial of Death_ before Cellsum sold out of it. If I now buy one from Amazon Marketplace or wherever, Albert doesn't get anything extra for that, right? He's already been paid for that copy whether it reaches a listener or not, because a distributor picked it up to sell to whatever retailer I might pick. The only interest he has sales-wise in whether I buy a copy or not is in whether the distributors subsequently remember him as someone whose records shift. Assuming that someone involved knows that Al Bouchard is linked to The Brain Surgeons NYC, that might just help, but they won't get that information from the retailers except in as much as they order more of Albert's next record. All I can do to help Albert make money from here is badger my favoured supplier to stock his next record if he makes one, I don't see any way he profits from my now buying _Denial of Death_. I still will, because I want it, but he doesn't get anything from it, so from his point of view it's only propriety that means I shouldn't just rip my housemate's copy, right? That's what I call a broken rewards system, and anyone who embraces a different business model can only surely be seeing sense, because almost anything has to be better than that. But perhaps I have details wrong somewhere. Set me straight, people? On another tBS note, I saw on a market stall in Cambridge the other day a copy of what seems to be a Ross the Boss solo album--Manowar is mentioned but I think only as part of its press puff--which has two of the _Denial of Death_ tracks on it. Has anyone heard it? Yours, Jon ObCD: Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso UFO - _Have You Seen The Other Side of the Sky_ (bought at their gig, money direct to band) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 22 08:15:50 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <7qiks4pqssf4f8ejldvioc8aka11akvpd0@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:35:40PM +0000, Steve Pond typed out: > It's all moot anyway, I think we're in a transitional phase, the > obvious end game is an annual "media fee" which will give you access > to all music on the servers controlled by whoever is charging the > fee.. 10 mergers down the line and that will be one server and one > fee. (Ditto movies) the concept of "owning" music is outdated. > > Smaller bands will survive by playing live and offering value added > content on their own website's, forums with active band members and > daily/regular blogs from the band themselves, discount live tickets, > merchandise etc.. think of it as philanthropy.. Like Hawkwind? ?5 per > annum straight to the band for access to the good stuff on the website > is a) cheaper than an annual CD release, and b) gives the band 500% > more than they got 10 years ago if you bought their annual CD release. I don't think, the way the web is, it can be that monolithic. Unless we start heading towards China-like blocks of IP ranges, if someone doesn't like the corporate offer they can set up an alternative. So there was MP3.com and bands sold CDs through that if you liked the MP3s, though because electronic payment was in its infancy they made it very difficult except if you had a credit card (I don't and have been refused for one so doubt I will have--but now I use Paypal). Then (and now) there's people doing that through MySpace. But at the same time there's nothing to stop you just selling CDs through your website. As search engines more and more become a substitute for actually knowing where websites are such sites should never be more than a websearch away. They can do all the things you also mention, but if they can do any of that they can also sell their music and still make 500% more on it than they would make on doing it through a record company. > My comment was prompted more by my own experiences which are that > record companies release my music "officially" and I never get paid. I > call it theft. > > The Calvert Carlisle MP3's we've been giving away for 10 years on my > website are being released by Voiceprint soon, have Fred or I been > consulted? asked to supply sleeve notes? offered a free copy? entered > into any sort of agreement? Nope. Once again we come to Voiceprint as the lowest common denominator of cheap record label practice really, don't we. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Apr 22 08:47:12 2009 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:47:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <20090422121550.GC6813@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:50 +0100, you sent through the ether: >> The Calvert Carlisle MP3's we've been giving away for 10 years on my >> website are being released by Voiceprint soon, have Fred or I been >> consulted? asked to supply sleeve notes? offered a free copy? entered >> into any sort of agreement? Nope. > > Once again we come to Voiceprint as the lowest common >denominator of cheap record label practice really, don't we. Unless you go directly to the source: http://www.doremi.co.uk/krankschaft/carlisle.html -S. From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 23:36:11 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:36:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh, it must have been like "The Spirit of The Age".... or more like The Spirit of The Trev...... (cough). Christian NP: Sugar "Copper Blue" > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:20:25 +0100 > From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > ICU supported Spirit on their Potato Land tour of the UK > The girls didn't notice Randy because they were all looking at ME ME ME > ME... > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Christian Mumford" > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:59 PM > To: > Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead > > >> Greetings to all > >> > >> Responding to Christian > >> ,, > >> Well, I liked them both, and I really enjoyed your posting. If you're > >> into > >> comics you'll need Randy California's Potato Land, the first side is all > >> right, with a dance music version of the Potato land theme, the second > >> side > >> is a lot of fun, and it has a comic book in it. Randy's father, Ed is on > >> it > >> too. That poor man, to lose his son, and grandson to drowning. > > > > Randy Abeck made a cassette of Potatoland for me which i listened to a few > > times in the 90s/around 2000. I remember it was a disco thing that didn't > > grab me at the time. But I am sure I need the original LP/CD with book! > > > > > >> Sure, I got it your posting was creative bs. I never got a taste for > >> beer, > >> cig.s, coffee, or any other stim.s, but I like everything else. > > > > Well, yeah but you gotta have that TOO :-) > > > >> Sorry about the way my emails are coming through, I don't have a place > >> for > >> the subject field, since my outlook is buggy, I guess it's there since > >> I'm > >> replying. Anyone have any ideas why Outlook is being so strange. > >> > >> Hippy trails, > >> > >> Mary > >> > >> P.S. Getting myself psyched for The Dead show Sunday. I know, many on > >> this > >> list don't care for them, (to put it mildly), many Deadheads don't get > >> Hawkwind either. I love them both, I have to stay after I heard Space > >> Ritual I fell in love with Hawkwind. > > > > > > The Grateful Dead have reformed??? What about Jerry Garcia RIP 1995??? I > > had a friend in NJ , Nate who played AoxomoxoA in the car. I really like > > "Mountains Of The Moon"! Nate had seen the Dead like 200 times and done > > acid every time. He was the guy I first did acid with spring 1992. He was > > totally my best pal my first year at art school. > > > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:28 PM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > >> interview) > >> > >> > >> Hey Mary! I signed on a different email. Moderation was not working and > >> being called "The Amphetamine Embalmer" was just ridiculous as was "666" > >> but > >> then again I used to be totally mad a few years ago. The Kaptain Kopter > >> LP > >> was recommended to me because of the comics connection/sleeve art when I > >> once mentioned Spirit. Haven't heard it but its on my wantlist. The post > >> below was just totally "an endless trail of cigs, beer and BS" to quote > >> Swindells trying to counter Carls rather carried away fantasising about > >> Lemmy and stuff but ok, it was a creative idea. better than mine. > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:06 -0400 > >> > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > >> > interview) > >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > > >> > Captain Copter... That's a Randy California album. I didn't know the > >> > name > >> > was used otherwise. The album has Mitchell and Redding under aliases > >> > that > >> > are rather cute. Some of it is really smoking' and some is all right. > >> > I > >> > like your ideas. I was busy in the social scene when the genes for > >> > creativity were being passed out. I hope you're well, glad you're > >> > posting > >> > so much, lately. > >> > > >> > Peace, > >> > > >> > Mary > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford > >> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:31 PM > >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > Subject: Re: Swindells's "Fresh Blood" (was Re: HW: Alan Davey > >> > interview) > >> > > >> > > >> > It could be a movie called "Turbo-Lemmy: Nazz-Cobra IV 'Return of The > >> > Anaconda-Conan'" and be about Jim Morrison as an Immortal Serpent Cult > >> > of India Warrior and have "The End" as the featured centrepiece song > >> > with an interlude about being "best friends" with MC5 doing "Shakin' > >> > Street" about the entwined fates of him and his girlfriend and all his > >> > druggie friends going to "The Kaptain Kopter and The Twirly Bird" > >> > school accompanied by .... well I could go on forever! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Christian > >> > > >> > NP: Anthrax - "Among The Living" > >> > > >> > > >> > > Lemmy _will_ live forever! Just as he is about to fall in his final > >> > > battle, he will be whisked away by biker chicks in rubber-wear to a > >> > > magical isle, where he will heal his wounds (or at least ingest > >> > > elephant stunning quantities of speed and Jack), and whence he will > >> > > one day return to save us all, in our hour of need .... > >> > > > >> > > Cheers, > >> > > Carl > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Carl Edlund Anderson > >> > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > >> > Spaces. It's easy! > >> > > >> http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& > >> > mkt=en-us > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx check out the rest of the Windows Live?. More than mail?Windows Live? goes way beyond your inbox. More than messages _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 22 12:02:57 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:02:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:36:11 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 22 12:34:44 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:34:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: <200904221602.n3MG2v9Y015500@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Mike, I was talking to Mike late into the night, your time, so rest assured, he wasn't really in your dreams, unless he was multitasking and had me fooled. Thanks for the laugh. You have the first part right, with Mike and the HW collectibles. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead Christian Mumford writes: > Oh, it must have been like "The Spirit of The Age".... or more like > The Spirit of The Trev...... (cough). I must have been reading this list too much lately. Last night Mike Coleman invaded my dreams looking for rare Hawkwind items and demanding we go drink beer. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 13:18:22 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:18:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/22/09, mary wrote: > > (trim) so rest assured, he > wasn't really in your dreams, unless he was multitasking and had me > fooled.(edit) No it's likely true. He was in mine the night before. I already knew yesterday morning all was OK as a reult of this. The dream adventuring operates outside the normal timespace and there could have been some cross-over anyway. If I was whining about the Doremi sleeves I apologize and I hope I do not have to kill stewart From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 12:16:05 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:16:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: <200904221602.n3MG2v9Y015500@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:02:57 +0100 > From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK > Subject: Re: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > Oh, it must have been like "The Spirit of The Age".... or more like > > The Spirit of The Trev...... (cough). > > I must have been reading this list too much lately. Last night Mike > Coleman invaded my dreams looking for rare Hawkwind items and demanding > we go drink beer. Beer is totally where its at (hic). Like Hawkwind, you can never get enough. Christian NP: Dead Moon "Strange Pray Tell" _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 23 02:50:02 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:50:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spirit -> The Dead In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904221018h679ed3aet9837d04fbe364ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oops, reflex of habit below, my computer has taken upon itself to use the word "kill" should have read "I hope I do not have to Bill Stewart". If he ever gets on my bad side I am sure having him do Heart "Sing Child Sing" through the phone will suffice back to my corner, didn't mean to invite myself back on On 4/22/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 4/22/09, mary wrote: >> >> (trim) so rest assured, he >> wasn't really in your dreams, unless he was multitasking and had me >> fooled.(edit) > > > No it's likely true. He was in mine the night before. I already knew > yesterday morning all was OK as a reult of this. The dream adventuring > operates outside the normal timespace and there could have been some > cross-over anyway. > If I was whining about the Doremi sleeves I apologize and I hope I do not > have to kill stewart > > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Apr 23 08:52:38 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:52:38 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro & Friends w/ Anton Roolaart and Astronaut Jones: 5/8 Hamilton, NJ Message-ID: Hamilton Lanes Lounge & the good people at Capital City Concerts, present: Friday, May 8th 2009: An evening with Mike Burro & Friends appearing will be: Astronaut Jones ( 10 PM ) http://www.myspace.com/astronautjonesmusic Anton Roolaart ( 11 PM ) http://www.myspace.com/antonroolaart Mike Burro & friends ( 12 AM ) http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 Hamilton Lanes 1200 Kuser Rd Hamilton, NJ (609) 585-2400 http://myspace.com/Hamiltonlanes $7.00 charge at the door 18+ to enter 21+ to drink Capital City Concerts http://www.capitalcityconcerts.com Booking: *Finnigans, East Windsor, NJ ^Trocadero Balcony Theatre, Philly, PA *Maritas Cantina, New Brunswick, NJ ^JB's Showcase, Morrisville,PA *Hamilton Lanes, Hamilton, NJ *Denotes house booking agent Be part of our Revolution!! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Apr 23 10:09:09 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:09:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: moorcock stuff Message-ID: Hey folks, This month's Heliotrope magazine is full of various folks appreciation of Moorcock (including Neil Gaiman and Bryan Talbot.) It's available for free online here: http://www.heliotropemag.com/Issue05/ Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 23 11:51:01 2009 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:51:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: If you pirate music, you're downloading communism! In-Reply-To: <49CA6E11.9080607@darkstar.uk.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 05:46:57PM +0000, Horse typed out: > So what do you guys think of spotify? > Lots of 'free' music available. I haven't tried it but it's making some poor friends of mine very happy. From my point of view the first question is how are they funded, and I see that it's advertising-based; I wonder how long that can survive. Second question is have they got the rights to broadcast, and it seems that they have, as witness their puff to prospective `partners': "Promoting your music on Spotify is free. Your own artist area allows you to build a direct relationship with fans, old and new, across the world. Develop revenue streams through the sale of downloads, merchandising, concert tickets and more, as well as earning a share of the revenues we create through our advertising and premium businesses. Powerful, granular, in-depth reporting is available to participating labels and artists." At which rate the third question is the great Gmail one, do I really want my listening preferences sold as commercial data? Their privacy policy is even ropier than Google's: http://www.spotify.com/en/legal/privacy-policy/ Ah well. I have plenty to listen to old-style for the minute. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From ibeus at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 23 17:20:32 2009 From: ibeus at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ib) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:20:32 +0100 Subject: BOC - a strange request, perhaps Message-ID: Does anybody here have the Buck Dharma Archives set of 4 CDs? Of course you do. Could one kind soul help me out just a little please? My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. I've identified the offending section as starting at 2:15 and perhaps lasting to the 3:00 mark (I'm getting read errors up to 2:55) so here's the big help question: just so I can listen again can somebody make me a 320kbps mp3 of just that section of the track please? Say 45seconds from 2:15 onward?? Pretty please? I'm sure the purists won't call a 45second sample stealing or theft....but then again, knowing the way some of you feel about this sort of thing. Thanks, Ib From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Apr 23 17:31:04 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:31:04 -0400 Subject: moorcock stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Arin, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:09 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: moorcock stuff Hey folks, This month's Heliotrope magazine is full of various folks appreciation of Moorcock (including Neil Gaiman and Bryan Talbot.) It's available for free online here: http://www.heliotropemag.com/Issue05/ Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-6090 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Apr 23 18:01:18 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:01:18 -0400 Subject: BOC - a strange request, perhaps In-Reply-To: <49F0DBA0.2020607@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Greetings IB What is Exact Audio and how does it work? No, I don't have a copy, but I bet somebody will take care of you from this list. I think of copying discs much like copying cassettes back in the old days. (That makes me feel old). Neither the cassette nor cdr is as reliable as the real deal, but they are sure convenient. Usually I put them right onto the computer. I'll have to get someone to install another drive to put all my music onto. Good luck. Peace, Mary From asg at MECREANT.ORG Thu Apr 23 18:35:16 2009 From: asg at MECREANT.ORG (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:35:16 -0500 Subject: BOC - a strange request, perhaps In-Reply-To: <49F0DBA0.2020607@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: > I'm sure the purists won't call a 45second sample stealing or > theft....but then again, knowing the way some of you feel about this > sort of thing. You ARE entitled to have a backup copy, you know. So long as you own the original, having a copy is 100% legit. Alex. From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 23 22:36:01 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:36:01 +0200 Subject: BOC - a strange request, perhaps In-Reply-To: <49F0DBA0.2020607@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Ib, I have found out how to "fix" scratched CDs. If you jus use the "copy" fuction in Nero or Roxio or SonicRecordNow! type programs (not ripping as files onto your machine like Media Player, i.e. not storing anything) and copy the entire disc. A small scratch usually does ok with a copy program. I had an ArcMet CD which I couldn't listen to for years because it was badly scuffed and now I have a copy from Nero, without any problem. Hope this helps. Christian NP: Sugar - "Copper Blue" > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:20:32 +0100 > From: ibeus at YAHOO.CO.UK > Subject: BOC - a strange request, perhaps > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Does anybody here have the Buck Dharma Archives set of 4 CDs? Of course > you do. Could one kind soul help me out just a little please? > > My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD > player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and > will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an > attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a > CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no > avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. > > I've identified the offending section as starting at 2:15 and perhaps > lasting to the 3:00 mark (I'm getting read errors up to 2:55) so here's > the big help question: just so I can listen again can somebody make me a > 320kbps mp3 of just that section of the track please? Say 45seconds from > 2:15 onward?? > > Pretty please? > > I'm sure the purists won't call a 45second sample stealing or > theft....but then again, knowing the way some of you feel about this > sort of thing. > > Thanks, > > Ib _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 08:51:11 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:51:11 +0200 Subject: ADMIN: arrest and put me on moderation Ben :-) Message-ID: I am so bad. Regards Christian Eric Bjaanaes Mumford, Oslo Norway NP: The Doors "Other Voices & Full Circle" From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 09:09:27 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:09:27 +0200 Subject: HW: the bands played on / Love Monster CDR Message-ID: BOC-l a satanic request......... ANYONE. Can someone make me a CDR of Monster Magnet "Love Monster" CD? regards Christian For the archivists: CHRISTIAN MUMFORD'S CONCERT LIST 1989-2008 Lenny Kravitz (US)/Stress (UK), 1989, Alaska, Oslo, Hawkwind (UK)/Diamond Dogs (N), 01/10/1991, Alaska, Oslo Pearl Jam (US), 1992, Alaska, Oslo Ym: Stammen (N)/Cranes (UK), 02/1992, RadioNova festival, Brenneriet, Oslo Kingmaker (UK), 1992, Elm Street, Oslo K?re & The Cavemen/Anal Babes/Kung Fu Girls/O-Men/Fuck Up's/D.O.P.E./Trombones, 1992, Anti-Wimp Rock Festival (all N), Slurpen, Oslo Boo Radleys (UK), 1992, Headache, Oslo Nirvana (US)/Teenage Fanclub (SCOT)/Violent Femmes (US), 1992, Kalv?ya festival, Sandvika Captain America (SCOT)/, 1992, Headache, Oslo Smashing Pumpkins (US), 1993, Rockefeller, Oslo Seigmen (N)/God Machine )UK), 1993, Rockefeller, Oslo Faith No More (US)/Clawfinger (UK), Kalv?ya festival, Sandvika, 1993 Buffalo Tom (US), 1993, Cosmopolite, Oslo M?torhead (UK) w/Sebastian Bach of Skid Row (US) guesting, 1994, Stone Pony, NJ Marilyn Manson/Daisy Cutter/Mental Hippie Blood (all US), 1994 , NJ Hawkwind (UK)/Finally Balanced (US)/Braindance (US), 1995, Limelight, NY The Bevis Frond (UK), 1995, So What!, Oslo Ramones (US)/Raga Rockers (N)/Millencollin (S)/Conception (N), 1995, Kalv?ya festival, Sandvika Mot?rhead/Cathedral (both UK), 1995, Centrum Scene, Oslo Melvins (US), 1995, Rockefeller, Oslo Mr. Bungle (US), 1995, Rockefeller, Oslo Jokke & Valentinerne (N), 1995, Centrum Scene, Oslo Iggy Pop (US), 1996, Norwegian Wood Festival, Frognerbadet, Oslo Anekdoten (S)/Arena (US)/Landberk (S)/Dead Dino Storage (N), 1996, Oslo Progressive Rock Festival, Cosmopolite, Oslo Arthur Lee's Love w/ Baby Lemonade (US), 1996, Cruise Cafe, Oslo Kula Shaker (UK), 1996, Chateu Neuf, Oslo Laibach (SLOV)/Origami (N), 1996, John Dee, Oslo Mot?rhead (UK)/Stierkampf (N) 1997, Rockefeller, Oslo The Bevis Frond (UK), 1997, Exodus, Oslo Ethnobabes/Nutrition Facts/American Suitcase (all N), 1997, Forrestenfesten, Gr?nerl?kka Lufthavn, Oslo Queens Of The Stone Age/Earthlings? (both US), 1997, So What!, Oslo Vo?vod (CAN)/local blackmetal band (N), 1997, John Dee, Oslo Nik Turner (WAL) w/The Moor (S) & Knut Gerwers (GER), 1998, The Molotow, Hamburg Fu Manchu (US)/Spiritual Beggars (S), 1998, So What!, Oslo Mot?rhead (UK), 1998, Rockefeller, Oslo Black Sabbath (UK), 1998, Oslo Spektrum, Oslo Faith No More (US), 1998, Rockefeller, Oslo Legendary Pink Dots/Twilight Circus (UK/HOL/US), 1998, So What!, Oslo The Olivia Tremor Control/Neutral Milk Hotel (both US), 1998, So What!, Oslo Cathedral/Orange Goblin (both UK), 1999, John Dee, Oslo Madcap Laughs (N), 1999, Blue Monk, Oslo The Blackbirds (N), 1999, Elm Street, Oslo Nils Petter Molv?r (N), 9/2/2004 Asker Kulturhus Hawkwind (UK)/WE (N)/Enslaved (N), 4/5/05, Teatergarasjen, Bergensfest, Bergen Mot?rhead (UK), 6/10/2005, Spektrum, Oslo System Of A Down (US)/Stonegard (N)/G?te (N) - 07/06 - Norwegian Wood Festival, Oslo Satyricon (N)/Paperboys (N)/Raga Rockers (N)/Seigmen (N) - Slottsfjell Festival, 07/2006 Magma (FR)/Panzerpappa (N) - Sentrum Scene, Oslo 28/09/07 Monster Magnet (US)/Bloodlines (N) - Sentrum Scene, Oslo 28/06/08 From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 09:14:01 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:14:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Death Magnetic" Message-ID: I am rather enjoying the new Metallica CD. Any "old fans from back in the day" have opinions on this? "a return to glory"? I think its better than "St. Anger". "The slave becomes........THE MASTER" muahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Christian ObCD: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 09:19:32 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:19:32 +0200 Subject: ADMIN: stealing people's mail Message-ID: This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs from Amazon US A: parcels to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 months! I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, but wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. Anyone else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! Today I got a Russian "Doors" CD in the mail. In under a week all the way to Norway. Abra Cadabra (gone Postal) From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 09:26:16 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:26:16 +0200 Subject: NIK: BEN! WAKE UP! HW! BRAIN! HELP! Message-ID: BEN! I AM POSTING TO BOC-L! I HAVE GONE INSANE! Mike Coleman is the nicest man to trade with. Judge Trev is a punkrocker and a model citizen. Mary Bruce is a Hawkfrend. I am a little angel in Heaven :-) ANACONDACONAN (battling serpent cults of India take note, Jimbo is back! -) From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 09:38:25 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:38:25 +0200 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! Message-ID: RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS > 04/05/06 > > "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers") > "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > > > SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND > 10/06/06 > > "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > Box") > "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > Conceived") > "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > > SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE > 02/09/06 > > "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > Score!") > "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > The Score!") > "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > > > SHOW 4: > HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > 21/10/06 > > "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > > > SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: > 18/11/06 > "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > 2002") > "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > 2002") > "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > 23/12/06 > CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: > > Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 10:05:29 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:05:29 +0200 Subject: OFF: the Lost Message-ID: my brother in California, Alex has a band and a new CD out: check out http://myspace.com/thelostmusic they play friendly rock like inspired by Nirvana and one step beyond the blooz ala' The White Strips. Christian NP: My President is God, My Rawhide From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 11:16:41 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:16:41 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many years to pick up California Brainstorm?" It has a great version of Brainstorm, no doubt what inspired them to name the whole album that, also a terrific Golden Void (Void's End, whatever) Night of the Hawk, Out of the Shadows, hell, this already has a number of contenders for my favorite 80s/90s versions of various hawktunes, and I'm only halfway through it... Instant new top 10 Hawkwind live album! Steve From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 23 23:42:16 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:42:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail Message-ID: This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs from Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 months! I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, but wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. Anyone else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! Christian NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 03:27:29 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:27:29 +0200 Subject: OFF: Death Magnetic Message-ID: I am rather enjoying the new Metallica CD. Any "old fans from back in the day" have opinins on this? "a return to glory"? I think its better than "St. Anger". Christian ObCD: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 24 11:30:38 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:30:38 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904240816v3bae4c64h22b6c97f9b690dcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > years to pick up California Brainstorm?" Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or something??? Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until now?!?!?! I'm gobsmacked... Cheers, Paul. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 11:47:52 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:52 -0400 Subject: BEN! WAKE UP! HW! BRAIN! HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian, You'll be all right. How can anyone expect to stay sane in such a crazy-ass world. You've got friends. Thanks for the kind words, and I really appreciate the fact you referred to me as "Mary Bruce," the only reason my given sir name is in my address is my family set up the computer since I don't know much about the technical side of things and they put everything under my family name. In my soul and heart, I am Mary Bruce. I'll send some positive energy your way. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:26 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: NIK: BEN! WAKE UP! HW! BRAIN! HELP! BEN! I AM POSTING TO BOC-L! I HAVE GONE INSANE! Mike Coleman is the nicest man to trade with. Judge Trev is a punkrocker and a model citizen. Mary Bruce is a Hawkfrend. I am a little angel in Heaven :-) ANACONDACONAN (battling serpent cults of India take note, Jimbo is back! -) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 11:47:52 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:52 -0400 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit heavy on the H W, no complaints here. Thanks. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS > 04/05/06 > > "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers") > "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > > > SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND > 10/06/06 > > "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > Box") > "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > Conceived") > "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > > SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE > 02/09/06 > > "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > Score!") > "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > The Score!") > "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > > > SHOW 4: > HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > 21/10/06 > > "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > > > SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: > 18/11/06 > "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > 2002") > "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > 2002") > "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > 23/12/06 > CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: > > Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) From anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 11:49:25 2009 From: anacondaconan at GMAIL.COM (abra cadabra) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:49:25 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:30:38 -0400 > From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > > > So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > > years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > > I'm gobsmacked... > > Cheers, > > Paul. Its gotta be the Cyclops one for the extra track and better art - the Iloki one just will not look good either. Christian From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 11:57:58 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:58 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When we used to get fanzines from Germany, they were always opened. "Who are the Brain police." I'm glad you got refunds. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:20 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: ADMIN: stealing people's mail This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs from Amazon US A: parcels to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 months! I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, but wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. Anyone else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! Today I got a Russian "Doors" CD in the mail. In under a week all the way to Norway. Abra Cadabra (gone Postal) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 11:57:58 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:58 -0400 Subject: the Lost In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I checked out your brother's music after getting through the layers of Myspace, and it sounded like a real lot of fun. Will give a much closer listening, later. I love it out in Cal. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:05 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: the Lost my brother in California, Alex has a band and a new CD out: check out http://myspace.com/thelostmusic they play friendly rock like inspired by Nirvana and one step beyond the blooz ala' The White Strips. Christian NP: My President is God, My Rawhide From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 12:08:05 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:08:05 -0400 Subject: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904240816v3bae4c64h22b6c97f9b690dcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The show was really fine too. I wish Angels Of Death hadn't been the opener when levels are still being adjusted, I'd have loved it if that were on the album. I believe my CD player ate my copy, really. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:17 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: California Brainstorm So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many years to pick up California Brainstorm?" It has a great version of Brainstorm, no doubt what inspired them to name the whole album that, also a terrific Golden Void (Void's End, whatever) Night of the Hawk, Out of the Shadows, hell, this already has a number of contenders for my favorite 80s/90s versions of various hawktunes, and I'm only halfway through it... Instant new top 10 Hawkwind live album! Steve From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 12:18:13 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:18:13 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The most important thing is that Steve has a copy now. Chris helped with that one, too. I believe his name is on there. Both the Oakland and Frisco shows were really fine, musically, and a lot of fun, too. The Eye Beam was a trip. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:30:38 -0400 > From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > > > So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > > years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > > I'm gobsmacked... > > Cheers, > > Paul. Its gotta be the Cyclops one for the extra track and better art - the Iloki one just will not look good either. Christian From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Apr 24 13:43:14 2009 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: Cherry Red Mail Order Problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone had any problems with Cherry Red Mail Order?. We ordered the last set of Atomhenge CDs, and have been trying to get in touch with them to find out the status of the order, but they do not respond to emails. Richard mary wrote: > The show was really fine too. I wish Angels Of Death hadn't been the opener > when levels are still being adjusted, I'd have loved it if that were on the > album. I believe my CD player ate my copy, really. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:17 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: California Brainstorm > > > So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > It has a great version of Brainstorm, no doubt what inspired them to > name the whole album that, also a terrific Golden Void (Void's End, > whatever) Night of the Hawk, Out of the Shadows, hell, this already > has a number of contenders for my favorite 80s/90s versions of various > hawktunes, and I'm only halfway through it... > > Instant new top 10 Hawkwind live album! > > Steve > > From heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 14:05:00 2009 From: heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK (tajemtoe) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:05:00 -0700 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s Message-ID: Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings Of Speed promo 45s is the rarer or harder to come by? Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels but the wording is slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten me? HerB From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 12:28:40 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:28:40 +0200 Subject: the Lost: correct group Lost In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well, Mary, it was the wrong site and band with the same name! THIS is the correct site http://www.myspace.com/thelostsite i also have a myspace: http://myspace/mumfordsen now enjoy. > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:58 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: the Lost > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I checked out your brother's music after getting through the layers of > Myspace, and it sounded like a real lot of fun. Will give a much closer > listening, later. I love it out in Cal. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:05 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: OFF: the Lost > > > my brother in California, Alex has a band and a new CD out: check out > http://myspace.com/thelostmusic > they play friendly rock like inspired by Nirvana and one step beyond the > blooz ala' The White Strips. > Christian > NP: My President is God, My Rawhide _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 12:43:32 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:43:32 +0200 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those guys over in Quarkspace are really into Airplane. The telepathic child was Jim Morrison! my theory. Dune etc. (Frank Herbert). Chritian > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:52 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of > Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's > about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's > obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by > readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit > heavy on the H > W, no complaints here. Thanks. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk > Norsespeak! > > > RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA > PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD > > SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS > > 04/05/06 > > > > "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > > "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers") > > "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > > "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > > "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > > Relations"/???) > > "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > > "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > > "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/???) > > "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > > "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > > > > > > SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND > > 10/06/06 > > > > "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > > "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > > Box") > > "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > > "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > > "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > > "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > > "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > > "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > > "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > > Conceived") > > "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > > > > > SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE > > 02/09/06 > > > > "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > > "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > > "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > > "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > > "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > > Score!") > > "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > > The Score!") > > "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > > > > > > SHOW 4: > > HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > > 21/10/06 > > > > "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > > "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > > "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > > > > > > SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: > > 18/11/06 > > "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > > "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > > "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > > 2002") > > "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > > 2002") > > "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > > "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > > "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > > "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > > "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > > > 23/12/06 > > > CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: > > > > Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > > Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > > Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > > Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > > Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > > Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > > Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > > Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > > Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > > Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > > Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 14:38:02 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:38:02 +0800 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They go into the inbtweenness places, keeping my lost orders company..... 2009/4/24 Christian Mumford > This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs from > Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 months! > I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, but > wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or > something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed > postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. Anyone > else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! > > Christian > NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Apr 24 14:32:45 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:32:45 -0500 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That sci-fi story would be The Chrysalids, by John Wyndham. Arin (who just acquired the new radio version of the Chrysalids on cd.) On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, mary wrote: :Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk : :very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of :Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's :about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's :obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by :readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit :heavy on the H :W, no complaints here. Thanks. : :Mary : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra :Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk :Norsespeak! : : :RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA :PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD : :SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS :> 04/05/06 :> :> "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") :> "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers") :> "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") :> "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") :> "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & :> Relations"/???) :> "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") :> "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") :> "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/???) :> "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") :> "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") :> :> :> SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND :> 10/06/06 :> :> "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") :> "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink :> Box") :> "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") :> "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") :> "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") :> "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") :> "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") :> "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") :> "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube :> Conceived") :> "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") :> "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") :> :> :> SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE :> 02/09/06 :> :> "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") :> "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") :> "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") :> "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") :> "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The :> Score!") :> "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know :> The Score!") :> "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") :> :> :> SHOW 4: :> HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE :> 21/10/06 :> :> "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") :> "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") :> "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) :> :> :> SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: :> 18/11/06 :> "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") :> "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") :> "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour :> 2002") :> "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour :> 2002") :> "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") :> "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") :> "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) :> "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) :> "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") :> "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") :> :> 23/12/06 :> :CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: :> :> Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) :> Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) :> Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) :> Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) :> Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) :> Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) :> Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) :> Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) :> Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) :> Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) :> Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 15:59:30 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:59:30 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <5BC52353-5BE5-413E-9989-B7E1AA2A27A0@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Really didn't until now... weird, huh? Can't exactly explain why either - I was vaguely under the impression that it was more of a half-assed bootleggy production, like a 90's version of Yuri Gagarin or something. It was seeing some very positive comments about it recently that caused me to pick it up. So what's this that I should have the Cyclops version, not the Loki version? Grrr... this copy was bloody expensive, too - did I just screw up? What's the extra track? And to Mary - yes, Chris is thanked in the liner notes for his work recording of the show. Steve On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. ?Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > > I'm gobsmacked... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 16:14:21 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:14:21 -0500 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <807772.1305.qm@web24707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: > Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings Of Speed promo 45s is the > rarer or harder to come by? > Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels but the wording is > slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten me? > > HerB This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are 3 of these, but something has recently come to light: that there is a version that says "plug side", as well as promotional on both sides At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I remembered it was Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I believe, and then I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, don't know what he paid, yet...... I am willing to bet money this version was pressed specifically for the British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, you've got a jem From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 16:15:05 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:15:05 -0400 Subject: the Lost: correct group Lost In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like 'em. They remind of the things I like about bands like Fugazi, Refused, the Hellacopters... Steve On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Christian Mumford wrote: > well, Mary, it was the wrong site and band with the same name! THIS is the correct site http://www.myspace.com/thelostsite > > i also have a myspace: http://myspace/mumfordsen > > now enjoy. > > > > >> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:58 -0400 >> From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET >> Subject: Re: the Lost >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> I checked out your brother's music after getting through the layers of >> Myspace, and it sounded like a real lot of fun. ?Will give a much closer >> listening, later. ?I love it out in Cal. >> >> Mary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:05 AM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: OFF: the Lost >> >> >> my brother in California, Alex has a band and a new CD out: check out >> http://myspace.com/thelostmusic >> they play friendly rock like inspired by Nirvana and one step beyond the >> blooz ala' The White Strips. >> Christian >> NP: My President is God, My Rawhide > > _________________________________________________________________ > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 16:33:15 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:33:15 -0500 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904241314w2cea366fode978870129e7cd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I mean "gem" gem" oh dear, I've recently given bill stewart a terrorist organisation Hawklords LP, and I have a terrorist organistaion Roadhawks :-) (those naughty import stickers, you see) On 4/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: > >> Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings Of Speed promo 45s is >> the rarer or harder to come by? >> Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels but the wording is >> slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten me? >> >> HerB > > > This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are 3 of these, but > something has recently come to light: > that there is a version that says "plug side", as well as promotional on > both sides > At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I remembered it > was Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England > the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I believe, and > then I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, don't know > what he paid, yet...... > I am willing to bet money this version was pressed specifically for the > British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, you've got a jem > > > From heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 16:36:06 2009 From: heresybint at YAHOO.CO.UK (tajemtoe) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:36:06 -0700 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904241314w2cea366fode978870129e7cd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike, are you referring to the pair Tony has just sold on eBay? The ?285 and ?112 mono/stereo Atco promos? I know for a fact both of those came from the US many moons ago. Tony had his own copy and then was asked to sell another for somebody we both know but who shall remain nameless. I have one of those also, with PLUG SIDE on both the mono and stereo sides. In fact all of the copies I've physically seen of the promo have been of that description: I've yet to see the 'other' version for real, the one without PLUG SIDE or PROMOTIONAL on the labels. So, if I've seen one several times and one never which is the rarer? Does that make sense? As for made for the British market, nah, I don't buy that. We didn't have mono/stereos over here. And surely KOS would have been on UA in the UK. Anyway, thanks for the input, let's see if somebody else can join the fray. HerB --- On Fri, 24/4/09, mike coleman wrote: > From: mike coleman > Subject: Re: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 8:14 PM > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: > > > Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings > Of Speed promo 45s is the > > rarer or harder to come by? > > Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels > but the wording is > > slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten > me? > > > > HerB > > > This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are > 3 of these, but > something has recently come to light: > that there is a version that says "plug side", as > well as promotional on > both sides > At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I > remembered it was > Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England > the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I > believe, and then > I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, > don't know what > he paid, yet...... > I am willing to bet money this version was pressed > specifically for the > British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, > you've got a jem From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 14:54:42 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:54:42 +0200 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904241138t4c0231bfp7e84684e2fdb325a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ....your stuff inbetween the my lost Gongzilla "Suffer" CD, the Hawkwind "Astoria 2005" DVD, the Wayne Kramer & The Pink Fairies "Cocaine Blues" CD and ....... all the other ones that vanished (I got the last one replaced, the 2 first ones refunded by the merchants .........) + about 4 more i seem to have lost in the post. Christian > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:38:02 +0800 > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > They go into the inbtweenness places, keeping my lost orders company..... > > 2009/4/24 Christian Mumford > > > This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs from > > Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 months! > > I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, but > > wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or > > something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed > > postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. Anyone > > else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! > > > > Christian > > NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 15:02:03 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:02:03 +0200 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wind-Ham, West Ham...... damn, Ben ended my career as Abra Cadabra real fast! Frostbite: still choking on the Venom! a "horror" Van to a "Joe" chill..... twitching with telepathy the last resort ....... arin, i would have to find out but i forgot how to read books and can't stand listening tospoken stuff (last books I read were Jack Kerouac "The Dharma Bums" and Kurt Vonnegut "Slapstick" in 1999....... read most Moorcock in paperback form since 1986 (about 60) but gave up in 1997........... Christian > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:32:45 -0500 > From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU > Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > That sci-fi story would be The Chrysalids, by John Wyndham. > > Arin > (who just acquired the new radio version of the Chrysalids on cd.) > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, mary wrote: > > :Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk > : > :very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of > :Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's > :about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's > :obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by > :readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit > :heavy on the H > :W, no complaints here. Thanks. > : > :Mary > : > :-----Original Message----- > :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra > :Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM > :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > :Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk > :Norsespeak! > : > : > :RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA > :PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD > : > :SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS > :> 04/05/06 > :> > :> "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > :> Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > :> "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > :> Travellers") > :> "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > :> Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > :> "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > :> "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > :> Relations"/???) > :> "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > :> "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > :> "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > :> Relations"/???) > :> "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > :> Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > :> "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > :> > :> > :> SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND > :> 10/06/06 > :> > :> "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > :> "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > :> Box") > :> "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > :> "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > :> "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > :> "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > :> "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > :> "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > :> "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > :> Conceived") > :> "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > :> "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > :> > :> > :> SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE > :> 02/09/06 > :> > :> "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > :> "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > :> "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > :> "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > :> "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > :> "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > :> Score!") > :> "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > :> The Score!") > :> "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > :> > :> > :> SHOW 4: > :> HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > :> 21/10/06 > :> > :> "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > :> "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > :> "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > :> 1982") > :> "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > :> 1982") > :> "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > :> 1982") > :> "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > :> "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > :> "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > :> "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > :> "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > :> "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > :> "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > :> "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > :> "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > :> "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > :> > :> > :> SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: > :> 18/11/06 > :> "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > :> "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > :> "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > :> 2002") > :> "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > :> 2002") > :> "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > :> "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > :> "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > :> "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > :> "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > :> "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > :> "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > :> "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > :> "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > :> > :> 23/12/06 > :> > :CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: > :> > :> Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > :> Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > :> Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > :> Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > :> Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > :> Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > :> Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > :> Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > :> Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > :> Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > :> Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) > : > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 16:13:24 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:13:24 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904241259i57af48fl5f50e96609c2489d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Really didn't until now... weird, huh? Can't exactly explain why > either - I was vaguely under the impression that it was more of a > half-assed bootleggy production, like a 90's version of Yuri Gagarin > or something. It was seeing some very positive comments about it > recently that caused me to pick it up. its a one-shot release for the label(s) so it could seem boot-y. > So what's this that I should have the Cyclops version, not the Loki > version? Grrr... this copy was bloody expensive, too - did I just > screw up? What's the extra track? "Images". Does yor Iloki version have a cut out in the spine or a drill through it?? My mint CB on Cyclops originally came in a cool box with the Godwin book........ > And to Mary - yes, Chris is thanked in the liner notes for his work > recording of the show. > > Steve The Iloki one is put out by a radio station? Its a distant sister release to "Palace Springs"........ on a weird label. I almost like it better than PS. NP: The Doors "Other Voices & Full Circle" _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 16:30:51 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:30:51 +0200 Subject: the Lost: correct group Lost In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904241315j78ff2a8bw6e2d713174852505@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes their CD is a great debut. order their CD or get from iTunes if you like em..........! They are hard working and self financed / released. I had a version of The Lost record a bunch of Calvert stuff intended for the Knut Gerwers Calvert covers project. Have the tape somewhere, pretty cool versins of Death Trap and Flying Doctor i recall. This is about 1997 when Alex was 15. They started out REALLY as a Nirvana copist band but found their sound more diverse. Now they are putting out 1000 copies of their debut on CD! Alex was in the Army in Iraq and started up the band again after serving .... moved to California and even had a band put together by Tommy Lee (Motley Crue) and auditioned for American Idol....... Christian > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:15:05 -0400 > From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: the Lost: correct group Lost > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I like 'em. They remind of the things I like about bands like Fugazi, > Refused, the Hellacopters... > > Steve > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Christian Mumford > wrote: > > well, Mary, it was the wrong site and band with the same name! THIS is the correct site http://www.myspace.com/thelostsite > > > > i also have a myspace: http://myspace/mumfordsen > > > > now enjoy. > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:58 -0400 > >> From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > >> Subject: Re: the Lost > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > >> I checked out your brother's music after getting through the layers of > >> Myspace, and it sounded like a real lot of fun. Will give a much closer > >> listening, later. I love it out in Cal. > >> > >> Mary > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:05 AM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: OFF: the Lost > >> > >> > >> my brother in California, Alex has a band and a new CD out: check out > >> http://myspace.com/thelostmusic > >> they play friendly rock like inspired by Nirvana and one step beyond the > >> blooz ala' The White Strips. > >> Christian > >> NP: My President is God, My Rawhide > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 17:31:18 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:31:18 -0500 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <256146.8371.qm@web24707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: First of all yes, it must be that guy I am well aware of the UK DEMO version which I owned myself I realise it is a longshot, but you in fact seem to support my theory....you are in the UK right???? Did you understand that I was telling you there are 3 versions WITHOUT such markings, and these all show up here in the USA as opposed to the Plug one?? If you can ever help me get hold of one, would ya?? ps-I saw one of these non-plug versions being sodl from England there in an differnet Atco sleeve than usual, almost bought it, had "Atlantic Company" on it On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: > > Mike, are you referring to the pair Tony has just sold on eBay? The ?285 > and ?112 mono/stereo Atco promos? I know for a fact both of those came from > the US many moons ago. Tony had his own copy and then was asked to sell > another for somebody we both know but who shall remain nameless. > > I have one of those also, with PLUG SIDE on both the mono and stereo sides. > In fact all of the copies I've physically seen of the promo have been of > that description: I've yet to see the 'other' version for real, the one > without PLUG SIDE or PROMOTIONAL on the labels. > > So, if I've seen one several times and one never which is the rarer? Does > that make sense? > > As for made for the British market, nah, I don't buy that. We didn't have > mono/stereos over here. And surely KOS would have been on UA in the UK. > > Anyway, thanks for the input, let's see if somebody else can join the fray. > > HerB > > > > > --- On Fri, 24/4/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > From: mike coleman > > Subject: Re: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 8:14 PM > > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: > > > > > Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings > > Of Speed promo 45s is the > > > rarer or harder to come by? > > > Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels > > but the wording is > > > slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten > > me? > > > > > > HerB > > > > > > This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are > > 3 of these, but > > something has recently come to light: > > that there is a version that says "plug side", as > > well as promotional on > > both sides > > At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I > > remembered it was > > Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England > > the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I > > believe, and then > > I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, > > don't know what > > he paid, yet...... > > I am willing to bet money this version was pressed > > specifically for the > > British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, > > you've got a jem > > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 18:00:55 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:00:55 -0400 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it was quite short from what I remember. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 2:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! That sci-fi story would be The Chrysalids, by John Wyndham. Arin (who just acquired the new radio version of the Chrysalids on cd.) On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, mary wrote: :Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk : :very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of :Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's :about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's :obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by :readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit :heavy on the H :W, no complaints here. Thanks. : :Mary : :-----Original Message----- :From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List :[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra :Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk :Norsespeak! : : :RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA :PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD : :SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS :> 04/05/06 :> :> "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") :> "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers") :> "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic :> Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") :> "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") :> "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & :> Relations"/???) :> "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") :> "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") :> "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations"/???) :> "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & :> Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") :> "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") :> :> :> SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND :> 10/06/06 :> :> "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") :> "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink :> Box") :> "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") :> "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") :> "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") :> "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") :> "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") :> "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") :> "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube :> Conceived") :> "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") :> "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") :> :> :> SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE :> 02/09/06 :> :> "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") :> "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") :> "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") :> "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") :> "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") :> "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The :> Score!") :> "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know :> The Score!") :> "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") :> :> :> SHOW 4: :> HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE :> 21/10/06 :> :> "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live :> 1982") :> "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") :> "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") :> "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") :> "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") :> "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) :> :> :> SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: :> 18/11/06 :> "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") :> "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") :> "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour :> 2002") :> "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour :> 2002") :> "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") :> "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") :> "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") :> "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) :> "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) :> "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") :> "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") :> :> 23/12/06 :> :CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: :> :> Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) :> Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) :> Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) :> Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) :> Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) :> Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) :> Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) :> Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) :> Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) :> Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) :> Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 18:00:55 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:00:55 -0400 Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian, Sure, I've read all the original Dune books. It gets really deep when you read the books by Herbert's son that go into the background of the families. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:44 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! Those guys over in Quarkspace are really into Airplane. The telepathic child was Jim Morrison! my theory. Dune etc. (Frank Herbert). Chritian > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:52 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk Norsespeak! > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > very impressive. Did you know that the lyrics to the Airplanes Crown Of > Creation came from an older sci-fi story. I keep forgetting the name. It's > about a telepathic child. Of course, with Blows Against The Empire, it's > obvious Paul is into Sci-Fi. He nearly won the Hugo award, given out by > readers, for that masterpiece. Nice selection on the radio shows, a bit > heavy on the H > W, no complaints here. Thanks. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of abra cadabra > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:38 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: my Radio shows in 2006 - availible on CDR: listen to me talk > Norsespeak! > > > RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA > PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD > > SHOW 1: RAVE ON IN THE FRIENDS & RELATIONS > > 04/05/06 > > > > "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > > "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers") > > "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > > Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > > "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > > "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > > Relations"/???) > > "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > > "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > > "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations"/???) > > "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > > Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > > "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > > > > > > SHOW 2: LEGENDS OF THE UNDERGROUND > > 10/06/06 > > > > "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > > "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > > Box") > > "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > > "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > > "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > > "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > > "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > > "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > > "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > > Conceived") > > "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > > > > > SHOW 3: SPACE IS THE PLACE > > 02/09/06 > > > > "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > > "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > > "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > > "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > > "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > > "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > > Score!") > > "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > > The Score!") > > "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > > > > > > SHOW 4: > > HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > > 21/10/06 > > > > "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > > 1982") > > "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > > "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > > "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > > "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > > "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > > > > > > SHOW 5:NOT AVAILIBLE ON CD-R: > > 18/11/06 > > "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > > "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > > "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > > 2002") > > "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > > 2002") > > "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > > "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > > "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > > "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > > "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > > "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > > > 23/12/06 > > > CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: > > > > Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > > Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > > Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > > Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > > Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > > Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > > Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > > Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > > Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > > Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > > Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 18:08:06 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:08:06 -0500 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904241431n98b9996o480d855b51bc154c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: final statement: how many non-plugsides would you like and am I to be rich overnight??? On 4/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > First of all yes, it must be that guy > I am well aware of the UK DEMO version which I owned myself > I realise it is a longshot, but you in fact seem to support my > theory....you are in the UK right???? > Did you understand that I was telling you there are 3 versions WITHOUT > such markings, and these all show up here in the USA as opposed to the Plug > one?? > If you can ever help me get hold of one, would ya?? > > ps-I saw one of these non-plug versions being sodl from England there in an > differnet Atco sleeve than usual, almost bought it, had "Atlantic Company" > on it > > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: >> >> Mike, are you referring to the pair Tony has just sold on eBay? The ?285 >> and ?112 mono/stereo Atco promos? I know for a fact both of those came from >> the US many moons ago. Tony had his own copy and then was asked to sell >> another for somebody we both know but who shall remain nameless. >> >> I have one of those also, with PLUG SIDE on both the mono and stereo >> sides. In fact all of the copies I've physically seen of the promo have been >> of that description: I've yet to see the 'other' version for real, the one >> without PLUG SIDE or PROMOTIONAL on the labels. >> >> So, if I've seen one several times and one never which is the rarer? Does >> that make sense? >> >> As for made for the British market, nah, I don't buy that. We didn't have >> mono/stereos over here. And surely KOS would have been on UA in the UK. >> >> Anyway, thanks for the input, let's see if somebody else can join the >> fray. >> >> HerB >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 24/4/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> > From: mike coleman >> > Subject: Re: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 8:14 PM >> > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: >> > >> > > Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings >> > Of Speed promo 45s is the >> > > rarer or harder to come by? >> > > Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels >> > but the wording is >> > > slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten >> > me? >> > > >> > > HerB >> > >> > >> > This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are >> > 3 of these, but >> > something has recently come to light: >> > that there is a version that says "plug side", as >> > well as promotional on >> > both sides >> > At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I >> > remembered it was >> > Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England >> > the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I >> > believe, and then >> > I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, >> > don't know what >> > he paid, yet...... >> > I am willing to bet money this version was pressed >> > specifically for the >> > British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, >> > you've got a jem >> >> >> >> > From jonathan at ATT.NET Fri Apr 24 18:10:30 2009 From: jonathan at ATT.NET (Jonathan Clark) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:10:30 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ib writes: > My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD > player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and > will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an > attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a > CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no > avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. If EAC won't read it then no other copy program will either. I can suggest two options. One is just to try another PC with a different CD drive (preferably a DVD or SACD drive) and see if that can read it. Alternatively, invest in a CD cleaner/polisher kit, probably cost you GBP5-10. This is the one I use: http://www.amazon.co.uk/CLINIC-Cleaning-Restore-CD-RW-CD-ROM/dp/B0024GPRQA It should have a little spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and a device to hold a CD and whirl some polishing disks over it. You spray a little bit of the alcohol onto the live side of the CD, polish it for 10 seconds, wait for it to dry, and it should read just fine. Turns out almost all nicks and scratches on a CD/DVD are in the layer of lacquer which is on the surface of the disk, and do not penetrate down to the actual pressing itself. The nick disrupts the laser beam enough that it can't get a good reflection off the pressing. The alcohol dissolves a little bit of the lacquer and allows the polishing disks to smooth out the surface again. Once it's nice and flat (well, flatter), the laser can get a good signal off the pressing layer. Very occasionally you might have to polish a CD twice. Mary asked what EAC was. EAC (it stands for Exact Audio Copy) is a really useful piece of freeware which lets you read CDs without errors. It uses a variety of techniques. For example, it actually pays attention to any error codes which the CD drive might send back when it hits a bad area, then it will try to re-read that track a few times, if it still gets errors then it will read the area in "raw data" mode "many" times (I think it's up to 64 times) and try and piece the real data together from what it gets back. It also knows a lot about individual drives and can compensate for some of the known weaknesses in some of these. All in all, it's a must if you're doing any serious ripping. You can get it from http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ Jonathan From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Apr 24 18:51:15 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:51:15 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <49F238D6.5060903@att.net> Message-ID: Is it true that Windex can be used to clean a disc? I won't even try to do that myself, with all the cat hair in the air, among other things, I don't know a sure fire way to insure that I don't make the disc worse, so I'm keeping the ones that won't play in a pile, and hope to get some help cleaning them. M.C. has given me suggestions, but I'm not confident to try cleaning discs on my own, yet. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jonathan Clark Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:11 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs Ib writes: > My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD > player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and > will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an > attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a > CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no > avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. If EAC won't read it then no other copy program will either. I can suggest two options. One is just to try another PC with a different CD drive (preferably a DVD or SACD drive) and see if that can read it. Alternatively, invest in a CD cleaner/polisher kit, probably cost you GBP5-10. This is the one I use: http://www.amazon.co.uk/CLINIC-Cleaning-Restore-CD-RW-CD-ROM/dp/B0024GPRQA It should have a little spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and a device to hold a CD and whirl some polishing disks over it. You spray a little bit of the alcohol onto the live side of the CD, polish it for 10 seconds, wait for it to dry, and it should read just fine. Turns out almost all nicks and scratches on a CD/DVD are in the layer of lacquer which is on the surface of the disk, and do not penetrate down to the actual pressing itself. The nick disrupts the laser beam enough that it can't get a good reflection off the pressing. The alcohol dissolves a little bit of the lacquer and allows the polishing disks to smooth out the surface again. Once it's nice and flat (well, flatter), the laser can get a good signal off the pressing layer. Very occasionally you might have to polish a CD twice. Mary asked what EAC was. EAC (it stands for Exact Audio Copy) is a really useful piece of freeware which lets you read CDs without errors. It uses a variety of techniques. For example, it actually pays attention to any error codes which the CD drive might send back when it hits a bad area, then it will try to re-read that track a few times, if it still gets errors then it will read the area in "raw data" mode "many" times (I think it's up to 64 times) and try and piece the real data together from what it gets back. It also knows a lot about individual drives and can compensate for some of the known weaknesses in some of these. All in all, it's a must if you're doing any serious ripping. You can get it from http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ Jonathan From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 20:04:13 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:04:13 -0500 Subject: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904241508h4594dc4asbd5df817b6f98746@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I lied. The reason I jumped in on this is that I thought it ws my "q", and since I did, I cannot be guilty of giving out any completely WRONG info. My memory is foggy now, there may only be 2 versions and I suspect a third. But there is DEFINITELY 2, which now confirms 4, if you follow me. My suspicions are that the 2 Plug copies are the same as the nons, except for the promotional label and plug label Anyway, thank you for causing a discovery The non-plug copies are worth 10 dollars There is a reason the plug copies went for the money they did exhale- On 4/24/09, mike coleman wrote: > > final statement: > how many non-plugsides would you like and am I to be rich overnight??? > > > On 4/24/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> First of all yes, it must be that guy >> I am well aware of the UK DEMO version which I owned myself >> I realise it is a longshot, but you in fact seem to support my >> theory....you are in the UK right???? >> Did you understand that I was telling you there are 3 versions WITHOUT >> such markings, and these all show up here in the USA as opposed to the Plug >> one?? >> If you can ever help me get hold of one, would ya?? >> >> ps-I saw one of these non-plug versions being sodl from England there in >> an differnet Atco sleeve than usual, almost bought it, had "Atlantic >> Company" on it >> >> On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: >>> >>> Mike, are you referring to the pair Tony has just sold on eBay? The ?285 >>> and ?112 mono/stereo Atco promos? I know for a fact both of those came from >>> the US many moons ago. Tony had his own copy and then was asked to sell >>> another for somebody we both know but who shall remain nameless. >>> >>> I have one of those also, with PLUG SIDE on both the mono and stereo >>> sides. In fact all of the copies I've physically seen of the promo have been >>> of that description: I've yet to see the 'other' version for real, the one >>> without PLUG SIDE or PROMOTIONAL on the labels. >>> >>> So, if I've seen one several times and one never which is the rarer? Does >>> that make sense? >>> >>> As for made for the British market, nah, I don't buy that. We didn't have >>> mono/stereos over here. And surely KOS would have been on UA in the UK. >>> >>> Anyway, thanks for the input, let's see if somebody else can join the >>> fray. >>> >>> HerB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 24/4/09, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>> > From: mike coleman >>> > Subject: Re: HW's USA Kings Of Speed promo 45s >>> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> > Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 8:14 PM >>> > On 4/24/09, tajemtoe wrote: >>> > >>> > > Just wond'ring aloud here....which of the 2 Kings >>> > Of Speed promo 45s is the >>> > > rarer or harder to come by? >>> > > Both are mono/stereo with white and blue Atco labels >>> > but the wording is >>> > > slightly different on each. Can a collector enlighten >>> > me? >>> > > >>> > > HerB >>> > >>> > >>> > This is a hard question to answer, and I believe there are >>> > 3 of these, but >>> > something has recently come to light: >>> > that there is a version that says "plug side", as >>> > well as promotional on >>> > both sides >>> > At first I thought I had this item in the past, and then I >>> > remembered it was >>> > Ande Tucker who had this, likely brought from England >>> > the first one of these that appeared sold for 285 pounds I >>> > believe, and then >>> > I did my magic trick and made another appear for my friend, >>> > don't know what >>> > he paid, yet...... >>> > I am willing to bet money this version was pressed >>> > specifically for the >>> > British market, so if one of yours is as I describe, >>> > you've got a jem >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 20:59:25 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:59:25 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> So what's this that I should have the Cyclops version, not the Loki >> version? ?Grrr... this copy was bloody expensive, too - did I just >> screw up? ?What's the extra track? > > "Images". Does yor Iloki version have a cut out in the spine or a drill through it?? My mint CB on Cyclops originally came in a cool box with the Godwin book........ Yeah, it does have a slice through the spine. I never even noticed until you mentioned it. I'm la little cheesed, considering what I paid for this, but I'm in it for the music, so enh, whatever... >> And to Mary - yes, Chris is thanked in the liner notes for his work >> recording of the show. Oh and a belated note to Mary: about two lines below that, you're cited as the contact for the Kadu Flyer. :) > The Iloki one is put out by a radio station? Yeah, it credits "Phil Dirt" and KFJC. >Its a distant sister release to "Palace Springs"........ on a weird label. I almost like it better than PS. Me too. Even though I really like some of the versions on Palace Springs, the songs seem kind of disconnected from each other; and to me, it never felt enough like a live concert to me, so as a result I include songs from it in mixes, but I almost never put on the album to listen to all the way through. Whereas this is about my 6th time through CB since I got it a couple days ago... Steve ObCD: California Brainstorm, and I'm listening right now to the Out of the Shadows/Eons/Night of the Hawks sequence - GOD DAMN I love listening to Dave play that guitar... From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 21:08:36 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:08:36 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <49F238D6.5060903@att.net> Message-ID: If the problem is a scratch, then rubbing the scratched section with a little bit of toothpaste in a circular motion will often smooth it out enough to make it readable again. (Toothpaste because it's an extremely mild abrasive.) Steve On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Clark wrote: > Ib writes: > >> My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD >> player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and >> will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an >> attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a >> CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no >> avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. > > If EAC won't read it then no other copy program will either. > > I can suggest two options. One is just to try another PC with a different CD > drive (preferably a DVD or SACD drive) and see if that can read it. > Alternatively, invest in a CD cleaner/polisher kit, probably cost you > GBP5-10. > This is the one I use: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/CLINIC-Cleaning-Restore-CD-RW-CD-ROM/dp/B0024GPRQA > It should have a little spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and a device to > hold a CD and whirl some polishing disks over it. You spray a little bit of > the alcohol onto the live side of the CD, polish it for 10 seconds, wait for > it to dry, and it should read just fine. > > Turns out almost all nicks and scratches on a CD/DVD are in the layer of > lacquer > which is on the surface of the disk, and do not penetrate down to the actual > pressing itself. The nick disrupts the laser beam enough that it can't get a > good > reflection off the pressing. The alcohol dissolves a little bit of the > lacquer and > allows the polishing disks to smooth out the surface again. Once it's nice > and flat > (well, flatter), the laser can get a good signal off the pressing layer. > Very > occasionally you might have to polish a CD twice. > > Mary asked what EAC was. EAC (it stands for Exact Audio Copy) is a really > useful > piece of freeware which lets you read CDs without errors. It uses a variety > of > techniques. For example, it actually pays attention to any error codes which > the > CD drive might send back when it hits a bad area, then it will try to > re-read that > track a few times, if it still gets errors then it will read the area in > "raw data" > mode "many" times (I think it's up to 64 times) and try and piece the real > data > together from what it gets back. It also knows a lot about individual drives > and > can compensate for some of the known weaknesses in some of these. > > All in all, it's a must if you're doing any serious ripping. You can get it > from > http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ > > Jonathan > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 23:52:05 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:52:05 -0500 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904241808q11f90348md5bce1406d341a86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/24/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > If the problem is a scratch, then rubbing the scratched section with a > little bit of toothpaste in a circular motion will often smooth it out > enough to make it readable again. (Toothpaste because it's an > extremely mild abrasive.) > > Absolutely true. I saved a Dave Brock CD doing this with a q-tip, only to > be lost in my home when I owed it to somebody Not looking forward to doing that again My simple, CDS-made-easy, advice 1) never touch CD playsides, always put them back in case 2 Clean them with a bit of hot breath in tiny gentle circular motion and they will stay AS NEW 3) send me money for this From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Apr 25 06:13:17 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:13:17 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904242052q44b629c0rfd7500c193c90d5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:52 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs On 4/24/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > If the problem is a scratch, then rubbing the scratched section with a > little bit of toothpaste in a circular motion will often smooth it out > enough to make it readable again. (Toothpaste because it's an > extremely mild abrasive.) > > Absolutely true. I saved a Dave Brock CD doing this with a q-tip, only to > be lost in my home when I owed it to somebody Not looking forward to doing that again My simple, CDS-made-easy, advice 1) never touch CD playsides, always put them back in case 2 Clean them with a bit of hot breath in tiny gentle circular motion and they will stay AS NEW 3) send me money for this From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Apr 25 06:13:17 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:13:17 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904241808q11f90348md5bce1406d341a86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've heard that, about tooth paste, but won't try it myself. Thanks. for the advice, Steve. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs If the problem is a scratch, then rubbing the scratched section with a little bit of toothpaste in a circular motion will often smooth it out enough to make it readable again. (Toothpaste because it's an extremely mild abrasive.) Steve On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Clark wrote: > Ib writes: > >> My Disc 1 has got a tiny, tiny mark on it that never used to throw my CD >> player but now I'm finding that the track "EPCI" is skipping/jumping and >> will no longer play properly. I've tried using Exact Audio Copy in an >> attempt to get a copy of the track onto the PC so I can burn myself a >> CDR so I can at least play the track in its entirety again but to no >> avail, EAC won't read the data at that point. > > If EAC won't read it then no other copy program will either. > > I can suggest two options. One is just to try another PC with a different CD > drive (preferably a DVD or SACD drive) and see if that can read it. > Alternatively, invest in a CD cleaner/polisher kit, probably cost you > GBP5-10. > This is the one I use: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/CLINIC-Cleaning-Restore-CD-RW-CD-ROM/dp/B0024GPRQA > It should have a little spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and a device to > hold a CD and whirl some polishing disks over it. You spray a little bit of > the alcohol onto the live side of the CD, polish it for 10 seconds, wait for > it to dry, and it should read just fine. > > Turns out almost all nicks and scratches on a CD/DVD are in the layer of > lacquer > which is on the surface of the disk, and do not penetrate down to the actual > pressing itself. The nick disrupts the laser beam enough that it can't get a > good > reflection off the pressing. The alcohol dissolves a little bit of the > lacquer and > allows the polishing disks to smooth out the surface again. Once it's nice > and flat > (well, flatter), the laser can get a good signal off the pressing layer. > Very > occasionally you might have to polish a CD twice. > > Mary asked what EAC was. EAC (it stands for Exact Audio Copy) is a really > useful > piece of freeware which lets you read CDs without errors. It uses a variety > of > techniques. For example, it actually pays attention to any error codes which > the > CD drive might send back when it hits a bad area, then it will try to > re-read that > track a few times, if it still gets errors then it will read the area in > "raw data" > mode "many" times (I think it's up to 64 times) and try and piece the real > data > together from what it gets back. It also knows a lot about individual drives > and > can compensate for some of the known weaknesses in some of these. > > All in all, it's a must if you're doing any serious ripping. You can get it > from > http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ > > Jonathan > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 25 08:16:43 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:16:43 +0100 Subject: OFF - Charlie - 70's band Message-ID: Well of topic sorry, but have just started a yahoo group on this band as they have a new album being issued after many years. Called Kitchens of Distinction it's of HW associates Voiceprint. Founder Terry Thomas has had success since the band split as producer of Bad Company and Styx amongst others. Biggest hit in the US was It's Inevitable. Homepage here if anyone is interested. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/itsinevitable I know that when I was producing the Porcupine Tree fanzine there were a few fans there (so if anyone can post there please do) so hope there are a few interested parties here as well. Thanks, Steve -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From jonathan at ATT.NET Sat Apr 25 14:34:09 2009 From: jonathan at ATT.NET (Jonathan Clark) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:34:09 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary asks: > Is it true that Windex can be used to clean a disc? Hmmm. Windex is a mixture of water, ammonia, isopropyl alcohol and detergent. I imagine it would clean any gunk off a disk without damage. I'm not sure if there's enough alcohol in there to affect the lacquer layer. I doubt it but can't say for sure. Plain ordinary dish detergent should work on its own, in fact you should be able to soak a CD in soapy water to get any dirt off the surface, without any chance of damage (disclaimer: I never tried this). The concerns with all this sort of thing are: a) scratching the surface; b) dissolving some of the lacquer and then rubbing so hard that you smear it over the surface; and c) dissolving the lacquer layer and then leaving bits of lint embedded in the surface when it rehardens. So don't rub hard and use a soft lint-free cloth (so no paper towels, which leave lint and are surprisingly scratchy). Steve suggested using toothpaste, which he correctly notes is a mild abrasive. I never tried this either but it is plausible. I've restored dozens of disks to playable condition using the solvent-based solution I described before. Jonathan From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Apr 25 14:53:33 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:53:33 -0500 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <49F357A1.604@att.net> Message-ID: Differentiation between 2 issues is key here CLEANING a disc, which for sighted people is a cake-walk and requires nothing more than what god gave you, *EVER,* except for the softest cloth of your choice, and REPAIRING a disc, which I think Mary confuses at times, also because she does not see I myself have never understood mishandling CD's, it seems retarded to me unless you use them in your car alot or something, or have planty of replacement money Normal suggested cleaning methods still create lines on the surface and it is my belief that any obstuctions on the play side can eventaully add up to error Normal cleaning lines shouldn't be that big a deal but who wants them if they need not be.... The toothpaste thing I had never heard, it was a thought of my own and I usd it in "worst case scenario" It can damage other things like the label side so it is tricky NP: MM King's Of Speed...OMG!!! this version kills!!! On 4/25/09, Jonathan Clark wrote: > > Mary asks: > >> Is it true that Windex can be used to clean a disc? >> > > Hmmm. Windex is a mixture of water, ammonia, isopropyl alcohol and > detergent. > I imagine it would clean any gunk off a disk without damage. I'm not sure > if > there's enough alcohol in there to affect the lacquer layer. I doubt it but > can't say for sure. Plain ordinary dish detergent should work on its own, > in > fact you should be able to soak a CD in soapy water to get any dirt off the > surface, without any chance of damage (disclaimer: I never tried this). > > The concerns with all this sort of thing are: a) scratching the surface; b) > dissolving some of the lacquer and then rubbing so hard that you smear it > over > the surface; and c) dissolving the lacquer layer and then leaving bits of > lint > embedded in the surface when it rehardens. So don't rub hard and use a soft > lint-free cloth (so no paper towels, which leave lint and are surprisingly > scratchy). > > Steve suggested using toothpaste, which he correctly notes is a mild > abrasive. > I never tried this either but it is plausible. I've restored dozens of > disks to > playable condition using the solvent-based solution I described before. > > Jonathan > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 25 15:37:24 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:37:24 +0200 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904251153ma999251sf0f918c2eeda7487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > NP: MM King's Of Speed...OMG!!! this version kills!!! > I seem to need the Cherry Red version of "New World's Fair" just for that! Its on my "want list"....... Christian _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From asg at MECREANT.ORG Sat Apr 25 18:20:23 2009 From: asg at MECREANT.ORG (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:20:23 -0500 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, You need to clean the money too? ;-) Alex. From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 06:12:19 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:12:19 +0800 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If only we could get there and have a look around!!!! 2009/4/25 Christian Mumford > ....your stuff inbetween the my lost Gongzilla "Suffer" CD, the Hawkwind > "Astoria 2005" DVD, the Wayne Kramer & The Pink Fairies "Cocaine Blues" CD > and ....... all the other ones that vanished (I got the last one replaced, > the 2 first ones refunded by the merchants .........) + about 4 more i seem > to have lost in the post. > > Christian > > > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:38:02 +0800 > > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > They go into the inbtweenness places, keeping my lost orders company..... > > > > 2009/4/24 Christian Mumford > > > > > This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs > from > > > Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 > months! > > > I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, > but > > > wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or > > > something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed > > > postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. > Anyone > > > else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! > > > > > > Christian > > > NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Apr 26 06:17:14 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:17:14 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <17673.80.125.172.161.1240698023.squirrel@mail.mecreant.org> Message-ID: Of course, the money needs to be cleaned, it seems everyone launders money. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, You need to clean the money too? ;-) Alex. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 08:05:31 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:05:31 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh thanks Mary, you just added BOC-L to the NSA watchlist. ;-) Steve On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:17 AM, mary wrote: > Of course, the money needs to be cleaned, it seems everyone launders money. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > > >> I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ?ha, ha, ha, > > You need to clean the money too? ;-) > > > > Alex. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 09:21:56 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:21:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904241138t4c0231bfp7e84684e2fdb325a@mail.gmail.com> <39dabad60904260312x570198d1wac2c392bf0253512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i've just had a dvd "lost in the post" it's because no one cares about anything anymore because everyone knows that the human race is finished, whether they know it consciously or subliminally. amazon, the royal mail, your neighbours, none of them do their work properly...why should they...what's the point? i personally can't wait 'til the real killing starts...something concrete to hold on to...yes ...that's it..eh? oo you lookin' at then??? eh? eh? eh\? eh?.......... judge despair -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Smith" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:12 AM To: Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail > If only we could get there and have a look around!!!! > > 2009/4/25 Christian Mumford > >> ....your stuff inbetween the my lost Gongzilla "Suffer" CD, the Hawkwind >> "Astoria 2005" DVD, the Wayne Kramer & The Pink Fairies "Cocaine Blues" >> CD >> and ....... all the other ones that vanished (I got the last one >> replaced, >> the 2 first ones refunded by the merchants .........) + about 4 more i >> seem >> to have lost in the post. >> >> Christian >> >> > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:38:02 +0800 >> > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM >> > Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > >> > They go into the inbtweenness places, keeping my lost orders >> > company..... >> > >> > 2009/4/24 Christian Mumford >> > >> > > This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs >> from >> > > Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 >> months! >> > > I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, >> but >> > > wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia >> > > or >> > > something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) >> > > understaffed >> > > postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. >> Anyone >> > > else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! >> > > >> > > Christian >> > > NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. >> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ >> > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 06:51:12 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:51:12 +0200 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904260312x570198d1wac2c392bf0253512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: that would have been great.... Universe X, where all the lost parcels go! > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:12:19 +0800 > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > If only we could get there and have a look around!!!! > > 2009/4/25 Christian Mumford > > > ....your stuff inbetween the my lost Gongzilla "Suffer" CD, the Hawkwind > > "Astoria 2005" DVD, the Wayne Kramer & The Pink Fairies "Cocaine Blues" CD > > and ....... all the other ones that vanished (I got the last one replaced, > > the 2 first ones refunded by the merchants .........) + about 4 more i seem > > to have lost in the post. > > > > Christian > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:38:02 +0800 > > > From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: Re: OFF: stealing people's mail > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > > They go into the inbtweenness places, keeping my lost orders company..... > > > > > > 2009/4/24 Christian Mumford > > > > > > > This has suddenly started happening to me when ordering CDs and DVDs > > from > > > > Amazon: packages to me vanishing into thin air. About 6-7 items in 2 > > months! > > > > I've gotten all of them refunded or replaced by the various sellers, > > but > > > > wonder WHY?? And WHERE does it happen=you'd think Norway was Russia or > > > > something. Or its the recession happening to an either a) understaffed > > > > postal system or b) somewhere along the route packages are stolen. > > Anyone > > > > else have this problem....... makes me ANGRY! > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > NP: Pierre Moerlen's Gong "Full Circle: Live 1988" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 26 11:58:58 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <5BC52353-5BE5-413E-9989-B7E1AA2A27A0@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > I'm gobsmacked... This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Sun Apr 26 12:55:53 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:55:53 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <4E16B0FD-40B6-4213-88BB-4A8E033F5A29@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > > something??? > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > > now?!?!?! > > I'm gobsmacked... > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. :-) Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Apr 26 20:19:26 2009 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:19:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: subtle reference in tonight's Simpsons episode Message-ID: Here's why it's subtle: Otto the busdriver is in a model shop and buy a lot of glue. The proprietor is curious why he would need so much giue, since he never buys a model kit. So Otto covers by asking for several vehicles, including everyone's favorite - the ME 262. He does not call it the prince of turbojet, sadly. Also, I accidentally deleted an email Martin Popoff's bulk mail list sent out about the updated BOC book -- does anyone know what it was sayin'? Jason. From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 13:33:11 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:33:11 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <20090426165439.M55923@dehulst.nl> Message-ID: "Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain, and all the children are insane...... the snake is long, seven miles.........." THE END! Looks like Steve needs to be blamed, yes........ > > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > > > something??? > > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > > > now?!?!?! > > > I'm gobsmacked... > > > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > > :-) > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > -------------------------------- > Rock in the 70ies: > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 06:40:48 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:40:48 +0100 Subject: Chrysalids Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 07:02:07 2009 From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:02:07 +0800 Subject: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904271040.n3RAemKB014393@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The John Wyndham story? 2009/4/27 M Holmes > > Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it > was > > quite short from what I remember. > > > Mary > > It's a great story. I'm amazed it's never been turned into a movie. > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 07:52:03 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:52:03 -0700 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Arjan Hulsebos Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > I'm gobsmacked... This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. :-) Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 27 08:26:37 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:37 -0400 Subject: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904271040.n3RAemKB014393@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I agree, it is a fin story, and would be great as a movie. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:41 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Chrysalids > Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it was > quite short from what I remember. > Mary It's a great story. I'm amazed it's never been turned into a movie. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Apr 27 08:26:37 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:37 -0400 Subject: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <39dabad60904270402s211c1201r200eebab4fe12b63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Jonathan Smith Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Chrysalids The John Wyndham story? 2009/4/27 M Holmes > > Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it > was > > quite short from what I remember. > > > Mary > > It's a great story. I'm amazed it's never been turned into a movie. > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 27 08:58:55 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:58:55 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323663523.10097895@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! :) Cheers, Carl On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: > Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are > calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, > increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation > and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arjan Hulsebos > Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: >> On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >>> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >>> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" >> >> Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or >> something??? >> Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until >> now?!?!?! >> I'm gobsmacked... > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > > :-) > > Gr, > > Arjan H > > -------------------------------- > Rock in the 70ies: > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 09:24:58 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:24:58 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At least the blame for all the world's ills have moved from Alan Davey's shoulder to Steve's now! Steve On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are > others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! > > :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > > On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: > >> Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are calling >> doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, increasing >> incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation and unwinnable wars. >> Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arjan Hulsebos >> Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm >> Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm >> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: >> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote >> On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: >> >>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >>> >>>> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >>>> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" >>>> >>> >>> Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or >>> something??? >>> Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until >>> now?!?!?! >>> I'm gobsmacked... >>> >> >> This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? >> >> The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. >> >> :-) >> >> Gr, >> >> Arjan H >> >> -------------------------------- >> Rock in the 70ies: >> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration >> >> > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 27 09:48:14 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:48:14 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We used to blame Doug Smith sometimes, too, I think. Though the more I learn, the more I think that might have been unfair of us. (Hawkwind are more capable of screwing up on their own than I had originally realized, for example .... ;)) Cheers, Carl On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24 , Steve Freight wrote: > At least the blame for all the world's ills have moved from Alan > Davey's > shoulder to Steve's now! > > Steve > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson > wrote: > >> But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are >> others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! >> >> :) >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> >> On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: >> >>> Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are >>> calling >>> doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, increasing >>> incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation and >>> unwinnable wars. >>> Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arjan Hulsebos >>> Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm >>> Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm >>> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: >>> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> >>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote >>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so >>>>> many >>>>> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" >>>>> >>>> >>>> Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or >>>> something??? >>>> Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until >>>> now?!?!?! >>>> I'm gobsmacked... >>>> >>> >>> This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? >>> >>> The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Gr, >>> >>> Arjan H >>> >>> -------------------------------- >>> Rock in the 70ies: >>> substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier >>> obliteration >>> >>> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 10:40:26 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:40:26 -0700 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: Actually I had never realized how many of the shows I've seen being torrented are actually ripped CDs from somewhere in that grey area between indie release and outright bootleg... I'm trying to decide how to approach this issue - like download them to sample them and buy the best ones on disc? (First though, I need to fill out my collection of legit releases with all these Atomhenge discs.) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Monday, Apr 27, 2009 9:01 am Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! :) Cheers, Carl On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > Steve > -----Original Message----- From: Arjan Hulsebos Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > I'm gobsmacked... > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > :-) > Gr, > Arjan H > -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 27 10:55:46 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:55:46 +0000 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323673625.10441931@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: There'll be a legit Atomhenge California Brainstorm along at some point in the reissue programme as I understand it... ________________________________ From: Steve Swann To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:40:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Actually I had never realized how many of the shows I've seen being torrented are actually ripped CDs from somewhere in that grey area between indie release and outright bootleg...? I'm trying to decide how to approach this issue - like download them to sample them and buy the best ones on disc? (First though, I need to fill out my collection of legit releases with all these Atomhenge discs.) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Monday, Apr 27, 2009 9:01 am Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply-? ? BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET But! No! Wait! Horror!? What if it's not just one?? What if there are? others?!? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! :) Cheers, Carl On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are? calling doom.? It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse,? increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation? and unwinnable wars.? Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > Steve > -----Original Message----- From: Arjan Hulsebos Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply-? ? BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote ? On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > Aw, c'mon Steve.? Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > something??? > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > now?!?!?! > I'm gobsmacked... >? This is, indeed, shocking.? What is the world coming to? > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > :-) > Gr, > Arjan H > -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: ? ? substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 13:22:30 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (Out Of The Umbras) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:22:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/26/09, trev wrote: Trev would you kindly conduct yourself accordingly, and remove the word OFF from all future posts to the BOC-L??? Let's face it, if anybody from the actual Hawkwind family so much as translates fart to font, it's mandatory reading, and it is offensive to have OFF on your posts *:>)* Speaking of, since HW made (IMO only, of course) the HIDEOUS mistake of telling us the origin of the name, somebody should get a recording of Nik's toot and maike the most limited edition collctible single of them all I suppose he could clear his throat as well Well, the radio said as soon as th president says "no need to be worried" regarding swine flu, then worry.... thanks Swann ps-what about the 70's HW??? (Atomhenge) Quark and PXR5 forced my face to smile while at my job bitchslapping the human race with my nuclear toy WOW pss=Carl I have never cared much for "Shot Down In The Night", but I like it now, with the one on Atomhenge Live 79 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 27 13:36:09 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323673625.10441931@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:40, Steve Swann wrote: > Actually I had never realized how many of the shows I've seen being > torrented are actually ripped CDs from somewhere in that grey area > between indie release and outright bootleg... I'm trying to decide > how to approach this issue - like download them to sample them and > buy the best ones on disc? > (First though, I need to fill out my collection of legit releases > with all these Atomhenge discs.) And I think this only helps prove my point: that HW or Atomhenge or whoever should be nicely remastering piles of archival live recordings and selling them (at least the more decent ones) as FLAC downloads a la LivePhish.com, etc. This sort of thing makes money for the bands that do it, if only because the overhead is ridiculously low. I suppose it would be a pain to work out how to divvy up the resulting cash, but then only because the principals involved are all so difficult to deal with ... ;) Anyway, perhaps someone could bash them all on the head and get agreement that receiving some money is better than receiving no money, however much the some money might be. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 19:05:27 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:05:27 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904260505q1eff3317q6001adefce48cef9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder about "Rain-X"? There's a kind of professional buffing-resurfacing machine too which I assume lots of used record stores have--- In Boston I know Looney Toons has got one, but a question of whether someone there knows how to work it and they're not busy (corner of Mass Ave and Boylston, across from the Hynes Convention Center stop). I'm going to see again if I can fix your fancy headphones with speaker wire and the end of the cord from an old computer mike. Bonus: Already tore some of the tissue-thin leather and I dropped the cover of the mute button somewhere so that must be replaced with broken glass or a strontium-90 button. Bonus question: why would a microphone have a stereo plug on it and a 3-wire cord? Do some microphone types have 3 leads? On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > Oh thanks Mary, you just added BOC-L to the NSA watchlist. ;-) > > Steve > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:17 AM, mary > wrote: > > Of course, the money needs to be cleaned, it seems everyone launders > money. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > > > > > >> I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, > > > > You need to clean the money too? ;-) > > > > > > > > Alex. > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 19:19:12 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:19:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: stealing people's mail In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904271022n18350385m9c4b41b06a0dfb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/27/09, Out Of The Umbras wrote: > > > pss=Carl I have never cared much for "Shot Down In The Night", but I like > it now, with the one on Atomhenge Live 79 > This guys a moron : O), that's just an edit..... From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 28 06:04:04 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:04:04 +0100 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: A Message-ID: Pro microphones are often either TRS (tip,ring,sleeve) jacks as an alternative to XLR/Cannon plugs. Both conductors use insulated wires, and the shield/braiding is earthed separatley. This is for improved noise suppression etc. Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Owen O'Neill Sent: 28 April 2009 00:05 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs I wonder about "Rain-X"? There's a kind of professional buffing-resurfacing machine too which I assume lots of used record stores have--- In Boston I know Looney Toons has got one, but a question of whether someone there knows how to work it and they're not busy (corner of Mass Ave and Boylston, across from the Hynes Convention Center stop). I'm going to see again if I can fix your fancy headphones with speaker wire and the end of the cord from an old computer mike. Bonus: Already tore some of the tissue-thin leather and I dropped the cover of the mute button somewhere so that must be replaced with broken glass or a strontium-90 button. Bonus question: why would a microphone have a stereo plug on it and a 3-wire cord? Do some microphone types have 3 leads? On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > Oh thanks Mary, you just added BOC-L to the NSA watchlist. ;-) > > Steve > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:17 AM, mary > wrote: > > Of course, the money needs to be cleaned, it seems everyone launders > money. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > > > > > >> I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, > > > > You need to clean the money too? ;-) > > > > > > > > Alex. > > > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. 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Name: not available URL: From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Tue Apr 28 06:21:08 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:21:08 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: A<200904281015.n3SAF3Pr026377@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Heh-heh... Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 28 April 2009 11:15 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I suppose it would be a pain to work out how to divvy up the resulting > cash, but then only because the principals involved are all so > difficult to deal with ... ;) Anyway, perhaps someone could bash them > all on the head and get agreement that receiving some money is better > than receiving no money, however much the some money might be. :) There's an old tale about that. A leprechaun offers a man a wish for anything he wants. The caveat is that his worst enemy, a neighbour, will get twice whatever he gets. 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Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 06:33:00 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:33:00 -0400 Subject: removing nicks/scratches from CDs In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBC9@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: Yeah that's what the 1/8" plug/cable in this one was, the kind that came with all macintoshes in the 90's, grey 4cm circle thing, NP: El Capitan, Edison Military Band NP: Judas Priest, Electric Eye, playing through Mary's headphones that now have speaker wire wrapped with tape every 15cm instead of that hair-thin enamel coated intertwined stuff in 8mm of insulation. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Chris Warburton < Chris.Warburton at ubmaviation.com> wrote: > Pro microphones are often either TRS (tip,ring,sleeve) jacks as an > alternative to XLR/Cannon plugs. Both conductors use insulated wires, and > the shield/braiding is earthed separatley. This is for improved noise > suppression etc. > > > Chris Warburton > Senior Database Administrator > Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Owen O'Neill > Sent: 28 April 2009 00:05 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > > I wonder about "Rain-X"? There's a kind of professional buffing-resurfacing > machine too which I assume lots of used record stores have--- In Boston I > know Looney Toons has got one, but a question of whether someone there knows > how to work it and they're not busy (corner of Mass Ave and Boylston, across > from the Hynes Convention Center stop). I'm going to see again if I can fix > your fancy headphones with speaker wire and the end of the cord from an old > computer mike. Bonus: Already tore some of the tissue-thin leather and I > dropped the cover of the mute button somewhere so that must be replaced with > broken glass or a strontium-90 button. > > Bonus question: why would a microphone have a stereo plug on it and a > 3-wire cord? Do some microphone types have 3 leads? > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > > > Oh thanks Mary, you just added BOC-L to the NSA watchlist. ;-) > > > > Steve > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:17 AM, mary > > wrote: > > > Of course, the money needs to be cleaned, it seems everyone launders > > money. > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: removing nicks/scratches from CDs > > > > > > > > >> I'll send you my CDs to clean along with some money. ha, ha, ha, > > > > > > You need to clean the money too? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex. > > > > > > > > > -- > .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments > may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be > disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the > intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this > email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or > contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender > and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any > attachment(s). > > While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound > e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that > attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not > accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. > Neither UB Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses > and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any > attachments. > > UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure > effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to > this email you give your consent to such monitoring. > > Thank you. > > UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is > registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 > Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG > Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK > -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 07:03:18 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:03:18 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <200904281015.n3SAF3Pr026377@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mike, thanks for the "Old tale." After all these years, I wouldn't want to begin with trying to figure out how income from that album should have been distributed. I hope everyone got their fair share. As previously stated, when responding to emails, my latest messages are on top, and I don't know how to have the computer read threads all the way through, and skip the emails between postings on a thread, so if I missed anything here, I'm not trying to drop in as a spaceshot, with only part of the information. It was great being there for that show. It was 1 of those nights where everything felt right. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:15 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I suppose it would be a pain to work out how to divvy up the > resulting cash, but then only because the principals involved are all > so difficult to deal with ... ;) Anyway, perhaps someone could bash > them all on the head and get agreement that receiving some money is > better than receiving no money, however much the some money might be. :) There's an old tale about that. A leprechaun offers a man a wish for anything he wants. The caveat is that his worst enemy, a neighbour, will get twice whatever he gets. He first thinks of money, but can't stand the thought that his neighbour would have twice as much. Then he thinks of a house, but the same problem arises. He worries dfor days and days about it, and can't sleep because he thinks he'll have to pass on the deal. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 28 08:57:18 2009 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:57:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: New Spacerock Reviews Message-ID: Just a couple of new reviews, but should be having a marathon reviewing session over the next couple of weeks - aiming for at least one new review per day! Yesterday's and today's: Our Brother The Native (not exactly spacerock but I loved it) Space Mirrors www.spacerockreviews.blogspot.com Cheers, Ian From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 09:09:52 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:09:52 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: always the case with HW - collect em all ! On CD for starters.......... Steve Swann is now an Iloki-cut-out CD Zombie....... of course he NEEDS the Cyclops. > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:58:55 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are > others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! > > :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: > > Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are > > calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, > > increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation > > and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arjan Hulsebos > > Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm > > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > > On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > >> On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > >>> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > >>> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > >> > >> Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > >> something??? > >> Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > >> now?!?!?! > >> I'm gobsmacked... > > > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > > > > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > > > > :-) > > > > Gr, > > > > Arjan H > > > > -------------------------------- > > Rock in the 70ies: > > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 09:20:33 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:20:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids [edit] Plot summary A few thousand years in the future post-apocalypse rural Labrador has become a warmer and more hospitable place than it is at present. The inhabitants of Labrador have vague historical recollections of "The Old People", a technologically advanced civilization which existed long ago and which they believe was destroyed when God sent "Tribulation" to the world to punish their forebears' sins. The society that has survived in Labrador is loosely reminiscent of the American frontier of about the 18th century. The inhabitants practice a form of fundamentalist Christianity with post-apocalyptic prohibitions. They believe that in order to follow God's word and prevent another Tribulation, they need to preserve absolute normality among the surviving humans, plants and animals. Genetic invariance has been elevated to the highest religious principle, and humans with even minor mutations are considered "Blasphemies" and the handiwork of the Devil. Individuals not conforming to a strict physical norm are either killed or sterilized and banished to the Fringes, a forbidden area still rife with animal and plant mutations. Arguments occur over the keeping of a tailless cat or the possession of oversize horses. These are deemed by the government to be legitimate breeds either pre-existing or achieved through conventional breeding. The government's position is considered both cynical and heretical by the orthodox frontier community. The inland rural settlement of Waknuk is a frontier farming community, populated with hardy and pious individuals intent on reclaiming land from the Fringes. Ten-year-old David Strorm, the son of Waknuk's zealous religious patriarch, has inexplicably vivid dreams of brightly lit cities and horseless carts that are at odds with his pre-industrial experience. Despite David's rigorous religious training, he befriends Sophie, a girl carefully concealing the fact that she has six toes on each foot. With the nonchalance of childhood David keeps her secret. The subsequent discovery of Sophie's mutation and her family's attempted flight causes David to wonder at the brutal persecution of human "Blasphemies" and the ritual culling of animal and plant "Deviations". David and a few others of his generation harbor their own invisible mutation: they have strong telepathic abilities. David begins to question why all who are different must be banished or killed. As they mature, David and his fellow telepaths realize that their unusual mutation would be considered a "blasphemy" and they carefully conceal their abilities. That their mutation cannot be directly detected allows their unusual abilities to remain undiscovered for a time. Eventually the group is exposed and David, his half-cousin Rosalind and younger sister Petra flee to the Fringes. Through the unusually strong telepathic abilities of Petra they make contact with a more advanced society in distant "Sealand". David, Rosalind and Petra elude their would-be captors and are rescued by the Sealand mission to discover the source of Petra's telepathic transmissions. Though the nature of "Tribulation" is not explicitly stated, it is implied that it was a nuclear holocaust, both by the mutations, and by the stories of sailors who report blackened, glassy wastes to the south-west where the remains of faintly glowing cities can be seen. Sailors venturing too close to these ruins experience symptoms consistent with radiation sickness. A woman from Sealand, a character with evident knowledge of the Old People's technology, mentions "the power of gods in the hands of children". > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:37 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: Chrysalids > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I agree, it is a fin story, and would be great as a movie. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:41 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Chrysalids > > > > Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it was > > quite short from what I remember. > > > Mary > > It's a great story. I'm amazed it's never been turned into a movie. > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 11:04:20 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:04:20 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <780411.71614.qm@web26908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes but it will be with the Iloki cover art with the bridge (if the pic in the box set is right) Christian NP: Sundial "Live Drug" > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:55:46 +0000 > From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > There'll be a legit Atomhenge California Brainstorm along at some point in the reissue programme as I understand it... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Swann > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:40:26 PM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > > Actually I had never realized how many of the shows I've seen being torrented are actually ripped CDs from somewhere in that grey area between indie release and outright bootleg... I'm trying to decide how to approach this issue - like download them to sample them and buy the best ones on disc? > > (First though, I need to fill out my collection of legit releases with all these Atomhenge discs.) > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Date: Monday, Apr 27, 2009 9:01 am > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are > others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! > > :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: > Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are > calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, > increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation > and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arjan Hulsebos > Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > >> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > >> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > > > > Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > > something??? > > Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > > now?!?!?! > > I'm gobsmacked... > > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > > > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > > > :-) > > > Gr, > > > Arjan H > > > -------------------------------- > Rock in the 70ies: > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 11:24:08 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:24:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 11:27:54 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:27:54 -0700 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already got 1 mortgage on my house... Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the replacement cost is similarly staggering.... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Mumford Date: Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 11:05 am Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET always the case with HW - collect em all ! On CD for starters.......... Steve Swann is now an Iloki-cut-out CD Zombie....... of course he NEEDS the Cyclops. > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:58:55 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > But! No! Wait! Horror! What if it's not just one? What if there are > others?! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! > > :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:52 , Steve Swann wrote: > > Sheesh, I skip buying one indy release and all the pundits are > > calling doom. It's not like there's worldwide economic collapse, > > increasing incidents of incurable disease, nuclear proliferation > > and unwinnable wars. Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten. > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arjan Hulsebos > > Date: Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 1:03 pm > > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > > On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:30 , Paul Mather wrote: > >> On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Steve Swann wrote: > >>> So, the question of the day is: "Why the fuck did Steve wait so many > >>> years to pick up California Brainstorm?" > >> > >> Aw, c'mon Steve. Is this some kind of late April Fool's joke or > >> something??? > >> Wait, you mean you REALLY didn't have _California Brainstorm_ until > >> now?!?!?! > >> I'm gobsmacked... > > > > This is, indeed, shocking. What is the world coming to? > > > > The End, obviously. As usual, we blame Swann. > > > > :-) > > > > Gr, > > > > Arjan H > > > > -------------------------------- > > Rock in the 70ies: > > substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration > > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Apr 28 11:53:25 2009 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:53:25 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 28, 2009: NEW RADIO SHOW: AURAL INNOVATIONS SPACE ROCK RADIO (#216) I've uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #216). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in both streaming and download editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #216) Enormous ? ?Everybody Out? (from Attentionsbahn) Lamp Of The Universe ? ?Universe Within? (from Acid Mantra) Datura ? ?Euphoria? (from Visions For The Celestial) Warning ? ?Electric Eyes? (from Electric Eyes) Phil Jones ? ?I Will Float? (from Kaleidoscopic Journey of Shiva) Ballo delle Castagne ? ?Il Pianto di Cristo su Gerusalemme? (from Ballo delle Castagne) Circle ? ?Kekkone? (from Taantumus) Verde ? ?Menos (Menosen Tekninen Vesi)? (from K?rmes) Vopat ? ?Random Lights? (from Call to Them) Webcore ? ?The Feather Mask? (from Webcore) Thunderdogs ? ?L$D Conspiracy? (from Just After Sunrise) GOOD ? ?Supersprings? (from Transient) Bonnie Kane & Federico Ughi ? ?Thoughts of our Fathers? (from Common Denominator) The Rick Ray Band ? ?Fan the Flames? (from Violence Marred By Peace) United Bible Studies ? ?The Lowlands of Holland? (from The Jonah) Howl in the Typewriter ? ?Planet Head? (from Godspunk Volume Seven) Richard ? ?My Life As A Supermodel? (from Godspunk Volume Seven) The Spacious Mind ? ?The Prophet Am I? (from The Mind Of A Brother) http://Aural-Innovations.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 12:45:48 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:20:33 +0200 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 28 12:40:03 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:40:03 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323762874.11522826@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: > No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already > got 1 mortgage on my house... What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I have one somewhere ..... > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the > replacement cost is similarly staggering.... And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Apr 28 13:44:11 2009 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:44:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904281645.n3SGjmOu017943@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:45 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Christian Mumford writes: > >> Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For > my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of > Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) > rather > than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. Cheers, Paul. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 14:19:49 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:19:49 -0700 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm Message-ID: Yeah, I missed the Griffin release back in the day. Frankly, I was still rather fuddled by the sheer size of the Hawkwind catalog at the time and (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums that gets talked up a lot... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 12:52 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already got 1 mortgage on my house... What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I have one somewhere ..... > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the replacement cost is similarly staggering.... And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 28 14:38:00 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:38:00 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323773190.11806832@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: > (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the > albums that gets talked up a lot... I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the Sonic Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very different but very promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA albums, which I wasn't so into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really pick up until CotBS, the vibe of which really harked back to Levitation in many ways, more so than continuing the RCA style, I thought. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 18:53:06 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:53:06 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <91087DFA-2010-4811-A3F2-EA09803613E0@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, it's not that I "don't like" the RCA albums, it's that I'm not too familiar with them and don't have an opinion on them at all. They don't seem to have had very wide CD distribution...? (Or they went in and out of print while I wasn't looking). Steve On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: >> >> (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums >> that gets talked up a lot... > > > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the Sonic > Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very different but very > promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA albums, which I wasn't so > into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really pick up until CotBS, the vibe of > which really harked back to Levitation in many ways, more so than continuing > the RCA style, I thought. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Apr 28 19:49:58 2009 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:49:58 -0700 Subject: Fw: [ProgPositivity] New radio show (April) Message-ID: Magazine has an article about Brock and crew. Thought I'd pass it on. Gary ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Thierry To: ProgPositivity at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:01:52 PM Subject: [ProgPositivity] New radio show (April) Hi, here is the play list: TA? PHONG / Windows (1976) GROBSCHNITT / Ballerman (1974) GONG / You (1974) CATHEDRAL / The Bridge (2007) P. MORAZ / Change of Space (2009) PPRY / Raising the Skeletons of Fire by Hand (2009) DELUGE GRANDER / The Form of the Good (2009) ULYSSES / The Gift of Tears (2009) SPLEEN ARCANA / The Field Where She Died (2009) THE TEA CLUB / General Winter's Secret Museum (2009) VILLEBRAD / Alla ?r H?r Utom (2006) Enjoy! Thierry http://progapart. podbean.com/ Order our new issue now Marillion, Hawkwind, Ta? Phong, Nektar and more: http://aciddragon. eu/ __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos Talk about your favorite bands, concerts and CD's! Free CD giveaway each month! No put-downs! No flame wars! 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Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:24 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient We were for some reason debating the Gini coefficient here recently (a measure of income distribution/inequality). Turns out the UK has been seeing this fall sionce 2000, though it remains high compared to similar countries: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7681361.stm -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:28:58 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:28:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really enjoyed it, especially having an interest in telepathy. I really think I'll read it again. Christian, you might enjoy it, from what I remember, it's not all that long, but powerful, and fun. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:21 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids [edit] Plot summary A few thousand years in the future post-apocalypse rural Labrador has become a warmer and more hospitable place than it is at present. The inhabitants of Labrador have vague historical recollections of "The Old People", a technologically advanced civilization which existed long ago and which they believe was destroyed when God sent "Tribulation" to the world to punish their forebears' sins. The society that has survived in Labrador is loosely reminiscent of the American frontier of about the 18th century. The inhabitants practice a form of fundamentalist Christianity with post-apocalyptic prohibitions. They believe that in order to follow God's word and prevent another Tribulation, they need to preserve absolute normality among the surviving humans, plants and animals. Genetic invariance has been elevated to the highest religious principle, and humans with even minor mutations are considered "Blasphemies" and the handiwork of the Devil. Individuals not conforming to a strict physical norm are either killed or sterilized and banished to the Fringes, a forbidden area still rife with animal and plant mutations. Arguments occur over the keeping of a tailless cat or the possession of oversize horses. These are deemed by the government to be legitimate breeds either pre-existing or achieved through conventional breeding. The government's position is considered both cynical and heretical by the orthodox frontier community. The inland rural settlement of Waknuk is a frontier farming community, populated with hardy and pious individuals intent on reclaiming land from the Fringes. Ten-year-old David Strorm, the son of Waknuk's zealous religious patriarch, has inexplicably vivid dreams of brightly lit cities and horseless carts that are at odds with his pre-industrial experience. Despite David's rigorous religious training, he befriends Sophie, a girl carefully concealing the fact that she has six toes on each foot. With the nonchalance of childhood David keeps her secret. The subsequent discovery of Sophie's mutation and her family's attempted flight causes David to wonder at the brutal persecution of human "Blasphemies" and the ritual culling of animal and plant "Deviations". David and a few others of his generation harbor their own invisible mutation: they have strong telepathic abilities. David begins to question why all who are different must be banished or killed. As they mature, David and his fellow telepaths realize that their unusual mutation would be considered a "blasphemy" and they carefully conceal their abilities. That their mutation cannot be directly detected allows their unusual abilities to remain undiscovered for a time. Eventually the group is exposed and David, his half-cousin Rosalind and younger sister Petra flee to the Fringes. Through the unusually strong telepathic abilities of Petra they make contact with a more advanced society in distant "Sealand". David, Rosalind and Petra elude their would-be captors and are rescued by the Sealand mission to discover the source of Petra's telepathic transmissions. Though the nature of "Tribulation" is not explicitly stated, it is implied that it was a nuclear holocaust, both by the mutations, and by the stories of sailors who report blackened, glassy wastes to the south-west where the remains of faintly glowing cities can be seen. Sailors venturing too close to these ruins experience symptoms consistent with radiation sickness. A woman from Sealand, a character with evident knowledge of the Old People's technology, mentions "the power of gods in the hands of children". > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:37 -0400 > From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET > Subject: Re: Chrysalids > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > I agree, it is a fin story, and would be great as a movie. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:41 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Chrysalids > > > > Thanks, Arin, I can never remember that. Maybe I'll read it again, it was > > quite short from what I remember. > > > Mary > > It's a great story. I'm amazed it's never been turned into a movie. > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:39:02 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:39:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904281645.n3SGjmOu017943@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Greetings FOFP, Thanks for the other recommendation for a story involving telepathy. I hope it's available through Bookshare. The reason why I loved Bab. 5 so much was the ongoing battle between Besta and the renegade telepaths, also, all the characters are gray, instead of the oh, so perfect characters in Star Trek, (ahem), (especially the original). I respect your opinions, so I'm off to look for the book, after I finish reading the rest of my mail. A bit under the weather with the heat and migraine. I guess I need a story. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Christian Mumford writes: > Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). Another great telepath story is "The Lost Perception" By Daniel Galouye. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:39:02 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:39:02 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <48CBE5C8-29EE-4DEB-ACF6-CC1497B1E262@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl, I think a lot of Alien 4 is brilliant. Steve, I hope your copy reappears, maybe Ron beamed it up? Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: > No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already > got 1 mortgage on my house... What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I have one somewhere ..... > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the > replacement cost is similarly staggering.... And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:49:08 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:49:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul, It sounds like the test was fairly progressive. In high school, I read all the required reading, but read a lot more sci-fi and fantasy. Stranger In A Strange Land was 1 of the first. When I applied for a scholarship they asked me what books I'd read recently, so I put the most far out ones on my list. I got the scholarship. Thanks to Chris's suggestion, a few years ago, I read The Chrysalids. He told me I'd love it. Peace, Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:44 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:45 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Christian Mumford writes: > >> Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For > my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of > Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) > rather > than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. Cheers, Paul. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:49:08 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:49:08 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323773190.11806832@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I prefer the other RCA releases. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Yeah, I missed the Griffin release back in the day. Frankly, I was still rather fuddled by the sheer size of the Hawkwind catalog at the time and (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums that gets talked up a lot... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Date: Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 12:52 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already got 1 mortgage on my house... What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I have one somewhere ..... > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the replacement cost is similarly staggering.... And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 20:59:13 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:59:13 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904281553l42172926o401f8e4229677dc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It took forever for Griffin to put them out, and Sonnic Attack and Church Of Hawkwind are 2 of my all time favorites, although, as I've mentioned, it took a while to get used to the resequencing on Church, but it works for me, I'm glad I still have the album though. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Hmmm, it's not that I "don't like" the RCA albums, it's that I'm not too familiar with them and don't have an opinion on them at all. They don't seem to have had very wide CD distribution...? (Or they went in and out of print while I wasn't looking). Steve On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: >> >> (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums >> that gets talked up a lot... > > > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the Sonic > Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very different but very > promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA albums, which I wasn't so > into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really pick up until CotBS, the vibe of > which really harked back to Levitation in many ways, more so than continuing > the RCA style, I thought. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 21:09:19 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:09:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904281645.n3SGjmOu017943@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FOFP, Bummer, "The Lost Perception," isn't available through my on-line service, maybe I can get it on tape. There aren't even any books by Besta through this service, sometimes the library has books that aren't available through Bookshare, and vise versa. My library didn't have Macroscope, however, Bookshare did. Thanks for the suggestion. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Christian Mumford writes: > Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). Another great telepath story is "The Lost Perception" By Daniel Galouye. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 21:44:02 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient In-Reply-To: <200904281524.n3SFO8Lu010411@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Believe it or not, I can only get 9 of Wyndham's books. Are there any others you particularly like. I love stories. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:24 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient We were for some reason debating the Gini coefficient here recently (a measure of income distribution/inequality). Turns out the UK has been seeing this fall sionce 2000, though it remains high compared to similar countries: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7681361.stm -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Apr 28 21:44:02 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient In-Reply-To: <200904281524.n3SFO8Lu010411@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sorry Mike, Attached message to the wrong thread. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:24 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient We were for some reason debating the Gini coefficient here recently (a measure of income distribution/inequality). Turns out the UK has been seeing this fall sionce 2000, though it remains high compared to similar countries: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7681361.stm -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Wed Apr 29 03:05:11 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:05:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient In-Reply-To: <200904281524.n3SFO8Lu010411@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:24:08 +0100, M Holmes wrote > We were for some reason debating the Gini coefficient here recently > (a measure of income distribution/inequality). > > Turns out the UK has been seeing this fall sionce 2000, though it > remains high compared to similar countries: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7681361.stm Gosh, you'd almost think Labour is implementing socialism... Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 03:36:41 2009 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:36:41 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I actually hope Atomhenge change the sequence back to the original album for Chruch of. Steve On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:59 AM, mary wrote: > It took forever for Griffin to put them out, and Sonnic Attack and Church > Of > Hawkwind are 2 of my all time favorites, although, as I've mentioned, it > took a while to get used to the resequencing on Church, but it works for > me, > I'm glad I still have the album though. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:53 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > > > Hmmm, it's not that I "don't like" the RCA albums, it's that I'm not > too familiar with them and don't have an opinion on them at all. They > don't seem to have had very wide CD distribution...? (Or they went in > and out of print while I wasn't looking). > > Steve > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson > wrote: > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: > >> > >> (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the > albums > >> that gets talked up a lot... > > > > > > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the Sonic > > Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very different but > very > > promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA albums, which I wasn't > so > > into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really pick up until CotBS, the vibe > of > > which really harked back to Levitation in many ways, more so than > continuing > > the RCA style, I thought. > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > -- View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Wed Apr 29 03:59:43 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:59:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: A<200904281645.n3SGjmOu017943@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: As an early starter with SF, I read most of Wyndham during my early adolescence, but The Chrysalids was the one that most struck a chord, and the only one that I re-visited on several occasions. Haven't read it again in about the last 30 years or so, the I did hear part of the BBC dramatisation recently. Chris Warburton -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 28 April 2009 17:46 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Christian Mumford writes: > Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). Another great telepath story is "The Lost Perception" By Daniel Galouye. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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They >> don't seem to have had very wide CD distribution...? (Or they went in >> and out of print while I wasn't looking). >> >> Steve >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson >> wrote: >> > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: >> >> >> >> (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the >> albums >> >> that gets talked up a lot... >> > >> > >> > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! >> > :) >> > >> > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the >> > Sonic >> > Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very different but >> very >> > promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA albums, which I >> > wasn't >> so >> > into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really pick up until CotBS, the >> > vibe >> of >> > which really harked back to Levitation in many ways, more so than >> continuing >> > the RCA style, I thought. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Carl >> > >> > -- >> > Carl Edlund Anderson >> > http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > >> > > > > -- > View Steve's Photos of Hawkwind Porcupine Tree and Isle of Wight > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Name: not available URL: From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Wed Apr 29 06:52:25 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:52:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: A<200904291024.n3TAOrGT010971@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The ISFDB list: John Beynon , John Beynon Harris , John B. Harris , Lucas Parkes , Wyndham Parkes As other names that he used... Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 29 April 2009 11:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Paul Mather writes: > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. > > For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the > > stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The > > Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two > > Cities and similar). > The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my > G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember > the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. Perhaps the Scottish system was more benighted :-( Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. My English teacher counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up to) that I just ignored her. I remember also studying Wyndham's short stories as John Beynon (and didn't he have one other nom de guerre?). I recall one of a future Earth where ants had built warwalkers. This got me interested in short stories whereupon I read a lot of fairly crappy horror shorts, but also discovered the joys of those written by A.E.Van Vogt and Arthur C.Clarke. I can still recall my admiration of the subversive endings of "The Last Command" and "Reunion". If any of you aren't SF fans, they can cure you. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Wed Apr 29 07:36:17 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:36:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: A<200904291034.n3TAYI6E012188@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for that Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 29 April 2009 11:34 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Chris Warburton writes: > As an early starter with SF, I read most of Wyndham during my early > adolescence, but The Chrysalids was the one that most struck a chord, > and the only one that I re-visited on several occasions. Haven't read > it again in about the last 30 years or so, the I did hear part of the > BBC dramatisation recently. 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Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 07:47:10 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:47:10 +0100 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <200904291042.n3TAgxmF012870@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: My favourite bootlegger, Chis Cambridge found an old ICU recording (desk mix cassette) of a gig that ICU played in 1981. We were furious at being requested to play Hawkwind songs by a drunken Biker compere...so we didn't, apart from one. It's got plenty of attitude and does feature Masters of the Universe with Nik playing stylophone and comb-and-paper der ders on it. recording quality is maybe 5 out of ten, but the attitude and delivery is magnificent. It will be on sale soon on Real Festival Music ?7.99 + p&p It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. chinggg...thank you trev -------------------------------------------------- From: "M Holmes" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:42 AM To: Subject: [mary: Re: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient] > Mary Sez: > >> Believe it or not, I can only get 9 of Wyndham's books. Are there any >> others you particularly like. I love stories. > > I'd go for the short stories written as Beynon. > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 07:58:02 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:58:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBCE@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: I just reread it, last night. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chris Warburton Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:00 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids As an early starter with SF, I read most of Wyndham during my early adolescence, but The Chrysalids was the one that most struck a chord, and the only one that I re-visited on several occasions. Haven't read it again in about the last 30 years or so, the I did hear part of the BBC dramatisation recently. Chris Warburton -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 28 April 2009 17:46 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Christian Mumford writes: > Seems like a powerful story. Here is the Wikipedia plot summary: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two Cities and similar). Another great telepath story is "The Lost Perception" By Daniel Galouye. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither UB Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 08:08:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:08:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904291024.n3TAOrGT010971@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mike, Your teacher probably didn't like you because you are highly intelligent, and she thought she knew it all. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:25 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Paul Mather writes: > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. > > For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the > > stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The > > Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two > > Cities and similar). > The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my > G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember > the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. Perhaps the Scottish system was more benighted :-( Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. My English teacher counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up to) that I just ignored her. I remember also studying Wyndham's short stories as John Beynon (and didn't he have one other nom de guerre?). I recall one of a future Earth where ants had built warwalkers. This got me interested in short stories whereupon I read a lot of fairly crappy horror shorts, but also discovered the joys of those written by A.E.Van Vogt and Arthur C.Clarke. I can still recall my admiration of the subversive endings of "The Last Command" and "Reunion". If any of you aren't SF fans, they can cure you. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 08:08:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:08:07 -0400 Subject: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: <200904291028.n3TASNeR011634@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mike, I don't like cop shows, so haven't watched it. What's so good about it? Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:28 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Mary Sez: > Thanks for the other recommendation for a story involving telepathy. > The reason why I loved Bab. 5 so much was the ongoing battle between > Besta and the renegade telepaths, also, all the characters are gray, > instead of the oh, so perfect characters in Star Trek Yes, I was a big Bab5 fan for the very same reason. It's also why I think "The Shield" is a wonderfully written cop show. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 08:08:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:08:07 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <200904291040.n3TAeI8E012665@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Fofp writes, Let's not forget that there was an official CND release (albeit on cassette) of the live performance at Glastonbury 1981. I don't have that one. Mary ----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:40 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the > Sonic Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very > different but very promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA > albums, Let's not forget that there was an official CND release (albeit on cassette) of the live performance at Glastonbury 1981. That's another excellent live release. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 08:08:07 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:08:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBD2@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: thanks Chris, and FoFP. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chris Warburton Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:52 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids The ISFDB list: John Beynon , John Beynon Harris , John B. Harris , Lucas Parkes , Wyndham Parkes As other names that he used... Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 29 April 2009 11:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids Paul Mather writes: > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. > > For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the > > stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The > > Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two > > Cities and similar). > The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my > G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember > the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. Perhaps the Scottish system was more benighted :-( Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. My English teacher counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up to) that I just ignored her. I remember also studying Wyndham's short stories as John Beynon (and didn't he have one other nom de guerre?). I recall one of a future Earth where ants had built warwalkers. This got me interested in short stories whereupon I read a lot of fairly crappy horror shorts, but also discovered the joys of those written by A.E.Van Vogt and Arthur C.Clarke. I can still recall my admiration of the subversive endings of "The Last Command" and "Reunion". If any of you aren't SF fans, they can cure you. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither UB Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation is a division of United Business Media Group Limited which is registered in England, No.1693134. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 09:28:38 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:28:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Shield Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Apr 29 09:56:59 2009 From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:56:59 -0400 Subject: The Shield In-Reply-To: <200904291328.n3TDSc2M029114@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I don't like cop shows, so haven't watched it. What's so good about it? Basically that the good guys aren't always good, and the bad guys aren't always bad. Huh? I've watched every episode, and EVERY bad guy was a 100% asshole. As were the cops too, except for Claudette... The central character, Vic, and his team kill a cop during the first episode, basically because they're crooked and he's been sent to spy on them (these aren't really spoilers). That said though, Vic and his pals do manage to achieve some good as they use police work to enrich themselves. The question is raised as to whether, though rough methods and undercover work, they can achieve more good than those cops who won't stray from the straight and narrow. The storytelling is easily clever enough to have viewers rooting for Vic and his boys. The good cops, and politicians, are shown to have their own flaws (laziness, ambition, etc). Meanwhile some of the truly bad guys are shown to act with honour once in a while. We must have watched different shows. The only positive thing you can say about the villains on that show is that some of them subscribed to a sort of 'honor code,' but you wouldn't want any of them babysitting your kids! This shades-of-gray approach permits some fantastic storytelling and for once, the cop-with-family-troubles cliche is stood on its head as those become an integrated part of the plot. Week by week the story builds. Each episode seems to have Vic juggling too many balls in the air and his, and the team's comeuppance seems inevitable. Yet the storytelling takes twists and turns so that this doesn't always happen in expected ways, and the tension is ratcheted up and up again. It's violent and no two ways about it. In fact for the first half-dozen episodes, Lucy and I weren't sure we'd be able to watch it. After that, the storytelling itself gripped us. It really is a tribute to the skills of the best in the business over in the US. We're about to get the last ever episode of seven series here and I'm still agog to discover how it all ends (I MEAN this: no spoilers on that...) I think you'll like the way things turn out. I would have liked a little more on Dutch and Claudette, and Julian gets pretty short shrift, but in a big ensemble cast it's hard to cover everyone's exit... From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 09:58:52 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:58:52 -0400 Subject: The Shield In-Reply-To: <200904291328.n3TDSc2M029114@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sounds interesting. I like shows with gray characters, it makes them more human. Only 1 problem, no telepaths? (ha, ha). Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:29 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OFF: The Shield > I don't like cop shows, so haven't watched it. What's so good about it? Basically that the good guys aren't always good, and the bad guys aren't always bad. The central character, Vic, and his team kill a cop during the first episode, basically because they're crooked and he's been sent to spy on them (these aren't really spoilers). That said though, Vic and his pals do manage to achieve some good as they use police work to enrich themselves. The question is raised as to whether, though rough methods and undercover work, they can achieve more good than those cops who won't stray from the straight and narrow. The storytelling is easily clever enough to have viewers rooting for Vic and his boys. The good cops, and politicians, are shown to have their own flaws (laziness, ambition, etc). Meanwhile some of the truly bad guys are shown to act with honour once in a while. This shades-of-gray approach permits some fantastic storytelling and for once, the cop-with-family-troubles cliche is stood on its head as those become an integrated part of the plot. Week by week the story builds. Each episode seems to have Vic juggling too many balls in the air and his, and the team's comeuppance seems inevitable. Yet the storytelling takes twists and turns so that this doesn't always happen in expected ways, and the tension is ratcheted up and up again. It's violent and no two ways about it. In fact for the first half-dozen episodes, Lucy and I weren't sure we'd be able to watch it. After that, the storytelling itself gripped us. It really is a tribute to the skills of the best in the business over in the US. We're about to get the last ever episode of seven series here and I'm still agog to discover how it all ends (I MEAN this: no spoilers on that...) FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 10:50:10 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:50:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:28 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Mary Sez: > >> Thanks for the other recommendation for a story involving telepathy. >> The reason why I loved Bab. ?5 so much was the ongoing battle between >> Besta and the renegade telepaths, also, all the characters are gray, >> instead of the oh, so perfect characters in Star Trek > > Yes, I was a big Bab5 fan for the very same reason. It's also why I > think "The Shield" is a wonderfully written cop show. Have you by any chance watched the 2000s remake of Battlestar Galactica? I'm astonished that it managed to get made, it breaks all the usual tropes of American TV s/f. It has honest-to-god gray moral issues, genuinely conflicted characters (as opposed to the usual Hollywood "conflicts" derived from the Big Book of Hollywood Cliches), it tackles politics, religion, sexuality, it doesn't shy away from the awful ways that people behave under the effects of fear and paranoia... it's freaking amazing. Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 11:12:45 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:12:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <200904291024.n3TAOrGT010971@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:24 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any > books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. ?My English teacher > counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards > of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up > to) that I just ignored her. I had one of those bastards in high school. He gave me a D (barely passing grade) on a major term paper because it was about Lord of the Rings. This despite the fact that I had literally two large grocery sacks full of books of Tolkien literary criticism, published by places like Harvard and the U of Chicago (not to mention the more populist criticism like W.H. Auden and Paul Kocher), which I cited liberally to support my thesis. The man was a barbarian who just didn't accept that fantasy could be considered literature (I think the only book he ever actually liked was In Cold Blood). I think it didn't help that the only style of literary criticism that this guy knew at all was some half-assed Freudian analysis that he picked up in community college. He tried to prevent me from taking the AP English exam because he swore I would embarrass the school (and him). I got a 5. God, I hadn't thought of this in 20-some years... who knew I'd still be irritated about it?! ;-) Steve From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 11:37:29 2009 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:37:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Message-ID: Actually its frAcking amazing. It has rewritten the book on SciFi. US or otherwise ------Original Message------ From: Steve Swann Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET ReplyTo: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Sent: Apr 29, 2009 10:50 AM On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:28 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Mary Sez: > >> Thanks for the other recommendation for a story involving telepathy. >> The reason why I loved Bab. ?5 so much was the ongoing battle between >> Besta and the renegade telepaths, also, all the characters are gray, >> instead of the oh, so perfect characters in Star Trek > > Yes, I was a big Bab5 fan for the very same reason. It's also why I > think "The Shield" is a wonderfully written cop show. Have you by any chance watched the 2000s remake of Battlestar Galactica? I'm astonished that it managed to get made, it breaks all the usual tropes of American TV s/f. It has honest-to-god gray moral issues, genuinely conflicted characters (as opposed to the usual Hollywood "conflicts" derived from the Big Book of Hollywood Cliches), it tackles politics, religion, sexuality, it doesn't shy away from the awful ways that people behave under the effects of fear and paranoia... it's freaking amazing. Steve Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 14:24:33 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:24:33 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <3323773190.11806832@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: I thought there was only the EBS version of Masques...... did griffin really put out a version?? > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:19:49 -0700 > From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Yeah, I missed the Griffin release back in the day. Frankly, I was still rather fuddled by the sheer size of the Hawkwind catalog at the time and (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums that gets talked up a lot... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Date: Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 12:52 pm > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: > No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already > got 1 mortgage on my house... > > What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I > remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I > have one somewhere ..... > > > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the > replacement cost is similarly staggering.... > > > And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at > least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 15:10:01 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:10:01 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <91087DFA-2010-4811-A3F2-EA09803613E0@carlaz.com> Message-ID: The RCA stuff quickly followed in the heels of "Levitation" and I consider the entire Huw era from 1979 (Levitation) up to 1988 (Xenon Codex) one big "era", which includes "Choose Your Masques" the NWOBHM era if you like... Black Sword doesen't strike me as similar to "Levitation" due to the sword & sorcery concept, i find "Xenon Codex" to be its logical "bastard brother" of sorts.... The Calvert era I definiteley enjoy as the more "intellectual" (totally different hue :) and I consider the Sonic Assassins as much linked to the Quark/PXR5/Hawklords era. After all, Calvert's ahem charisma was a huge part of the sound, and then the group nearly broke up after his departure........ and Levitation harkened more back to the days of "Warrior" IMO, though a slickened beast it was..... Christian > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:38:00 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: > > (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the > > albums that gets talked up a lot... > > > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the > Sonic Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very > different but very promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA > albums, which I wasn't so into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really > pick up until CotBS, the vibe of which really harked back to > Levitation in many ways, more so than continuing the RCA style, I > thought. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 07:02:16 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:02:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBD2@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: and there is always a certain suspect "Kilgore Trout" but a wholly different author........... NP: Hawkwind Hammersmith Odeon 22/04/88 BBC 1 (a totally awesome recording!) > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:52:25 +0100 > From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM > Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > The ISFDB list: John Beynon , John Beynon Harris , John B. Harris , > Lucas Parkes , Wyndham Parkes > As other names that he used... > > > Chris Warburton > Senior Database Administrator > Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 29 April 2009 11:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids > > Paul Mather writes: > > > > It is and having read it was one of the delights of my childhood. > > > For my English Higher (an exam taken at age 17) I studied the > > > stories of Verne, Wells and Wyndham (having been inspired by The > > > Chrysalids) rather than the novels on the curriculum (Tale of Two > > > Cities and similar). > > > The Chrysalids was one of the novels on the syllabus when I took my > > G.C.E. in English Literature. (That's dating me.:) I don't remember > > the other ones, but I remember that one. I really enjoyed the book. > > Perhaps the Scottish system was more benighted :-( > > Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any > books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. My English teacher > counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards > of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up > to) that I just ignored her. > > I remember also studying Wyndham's short stories as John Beynon (and > didn't he have one other nom de guerre?). I recall one of a future Earth > where ants had built warwalkers. This got me interested in short stories > whereupon I read a lot of fairly crappy horror shorts, but also > discovered the joys of those written by A.E.Van Vogt and Arthur > C.Clarke. I can still recall my admiration of the subversive endings of > "The Last Command" and "Reunion". > > If any of you aren't SF fans, they can cure you. > > FoFP > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. 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Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 07:22:56 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:22:56 +0200 Subject: HW: Hammersmith Odeon 22/04/88 BBC 1 Message-ID: notable for: one of the final (i beleive) performances of "Rocky Paths" (one of my faves and I find the Sonic Attack LP grossly underrated)....... a super cheesy / gory recital from Harvey about the band members as mad surgeons......! an awesome "Shot Down In The Night"...... (been listening to this and the Camden Music Machine 77 which is also a fave of the Calvert era, real spooky and uh new-wavey Dotz like stuff.) PS: and I also got my QSAC remaster..... been waiting for that and PXR5 remaster.......... lately. Christian _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 09:43:51 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:51 +0200 Subject: BOC: the gross/sick Cope article..... Message-ID: HARDROCKSAMPLER by Julian Cope The Book of Seth Blue ?yster Cult - Secret Treaties Blue ?yster Cult Secret Treaties Released 1974 on Columbia/Columbia-Legacy Reviewed by The Seth Man, 24th June 2003ce ?I think the Blue ?yster Cult is funny.? -Ralf H?tter (in conversation with Lester Bangs; ?Kraftwerkfeature?, CREEM, September 1975) It?s crazy that one of the most unlikely candidates for comprehending rib-tickling rock?n?roll (and a member of Kraftwerk, no less) would state the above in all deadpanned seriousness because underneath that dense fog of mystique that is Blue ?yster Cult lurked not only ass kicking rock?n?roll but thigh-slapping hoots galore as well. Something Blue ?yster Cult?s third album, ?Secret Treaties? excelled at in its highly-arranged and tightly-choreographed descendant of monster Detroit noise twisted with progressive detailing on its soft white underbelly as a smothering amount of cryptic lyrics to make even the most obsessive Pynchon acolyte more paranoid, fall over with laughter AND get their rocks off all at once. How? I dunno, but I think it has a lot to do with... 1. Secret Cult Lyrics I was in shock when I finally cast a double-taked first gander at the lyrics for ?Secret Treaties? that were finally made public in the booklet of the recently remastered/reissued/bonus-tracked CD. Assuming that the mailing address listed on the original LP that had solicited my curious mind countless times to ?send away for secret Cult lyrics? had long been abandoned, I remained ignorant of about oh, 80% of the lyrics. For years I was blissfully content in filling in the many yawning gaps of unknown verses that sometimes stretched the length of entire songs with the closest phonetic approximations that came to mind... But that?s all changed now. And like I said, I?m in shock. Now I don?t know if the lyrics are ENTIRELY meaningless -- certainly no more or less than ?A-whop-bop-a-loom-op-a-lop-bam-boom,? ?Wooly Bully? or ?There?s a laydeez who?s shore/all that glitterzizz guld? -- but they ARE truly ambiguous, surreal and face it: funny as hell (Hang on, Blue ?yster Cult?s music DOES figure heavily here and I do love them -- at least up to ?Agents Of Fortune? -- so don?t get the idea I?m just ragging on them outright.) So funny in fact, I dropped to the floor while reciting them out loud to my dog and a) my dog ran straight outta the room, b) I took down a bookshelf as I hit the floor sputtering, choking and flailing like an invalid and c) only regained composure some time much later. I forget how long my eyes smarted with tears as I repeatedly shrieked, ?These lyrics are FUCKING GENIUS!!! YOU HEAR ME???!!! JEAN-YUSSSSS!!!? out my window into the side of my next door neighbour?s house (who weren?t even home at the time, the fuckers.) But the most hilarious fact about the lyrics is that Blue ?yster Cult HAD HELP. No, not NEED HELP, you got it right the first time. And if that don?t take all, it was the fair hands of Patti Smith, ?Crawdaddy? scribe Richard Meltzer and B?C producer Sandy ?Give The Clash Enough Mott? Pearlman what took part in collaborating with the ?yster boys on ?em. In fact, there?s not a single song absent from one of the above-mentioned outsider?s input, and I suspect not only because Patti and Cult keyboardist/guitarist Alan Lanier were romantically linked at the time, but it also secretly afforded all parties involved the freedom to take even bigger chances than normal, figgering if it all blew up in everybody?s faces and it all waxed foolish for some reason there?d always be somebody else to finger for its failure. Failure? As if...For B?C truly were ?Doyens of Punk Mysterioso.? 2. ?Doyens of Punk Mysterioso? What does it mean? I don?t know, but B?C are exactly that -- ?Doyens of Punk Mysterioso.? I?ve been obsessed with the term ever since 1976, when it first surfaced under a heading in ?The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock? for a Long Island-based group who flourished in the latter half of the sixties (who shall remain nameless not only to avoid tainting the theory which follows but also because they sucked a Danubean River of shit) and it impressed me greatly. ?Punk? was still an entirely unknown term to me at the time. It was one I knew only from old black and white films -- ones where men always wore fedoras and suits, the women all looked like Virginia Mayo or Hillary Brook and wore weird hats and the cars looked like ancient science fiction cartoons that ran on pink bubble gas or something. And in these films, only tough guys would use the word ?punk,? and always as a promise/threat or at least a condescending insult but it always had the same effect: it pissed off said ?punk? into either throwing a punch and then promptly getting their ass kicked, or walking away with a slowburn to next week, too hurt to even mutter darkly under their retreating breath. (I?m taking a big jump forward now to link this up properly, but) I soon established in my teenage mind that ?punk? was a term with an implication of people being tough and ultimately more cocky and confident than my young self at the time (Which was basically the rest of the world.) But best of all, it also seemed to have a no-nonsense, wise ass attitude to it as well...in fact, THE wise ass quality from hell I?d always admired through the comebacks of Bugs Bunny, The Marx Brothers and therefore Alice Cooper. Not caring one bit what anybody thought about what you said, because you were ALREADY getting the last laugh. And as for the ?mysterioso? bit, it seemed to balance it all out with a supernaturally-inspired angle. Truthfully, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANT (AND STILL DON?T) but it?s evocative and has been ringing in my ears for decades now: just as hard as when I first heard The Doors, Steppenwolf, The Stranglers, The Dictators and every successive minor key, organ-based one-shot, premature jack-off garage band. But when I finally saw photos of them, it all clicked as I noticed they all seemed to share some key imagery... For a start, darkness and especially night is THE prime motif on many of their sleeves (natch, what with it being the Mother of all mysteries, along with death.) Secondly, these dudes lurking around on these LP jackets at that time of night weren?t exactly evil, but seemed to hold at least a grim knowledge behind their collective stern countenances of what lay ahead. And through their sleeves and song titles they carried themselves (and my candy-assed suburban teenage self along with them) through endless vistas of city streets and into an alternative nighttime world where untold borderline teenage/adult kicks I was still unaware of lurked in the shadows. These streets were always chilly, damp and deserted, and against this backdrop these bands would pose looking as cool and badass as possible -- decked out with long or longish hair (with at least one member with facial hair), leather jackets and aviator shades...but still not mean enough to be a ?real? gang of sociopaths by any stretch. For a brief period and in the most unlikely of places between glam and punk, ?Doyens of Punk Mysterioso? flourished as a stock action pose with every shade of greatness cutting in on the action: From The Litter, Crow Music, Kiss, Nite City, The Streetwalkers to Sire-era Flamin? Groovies these dopes wandered onto the set of a late night street scene looking to ?shake some action? or at best to be continually caught in the act looking like they were. And almost always, at least one member barely cut it in the mean, moody and magnificent stakes -- looking more like the doofus who in any dangerous encounter would be the one to wind up in face down in a pool of his own blood; or at very least, the one who got eternally hit up for a light THEN a free cigarette. But they all looked ready for immediate action in an almost willfully hollow macho way: be it loose women, fights, a late night cruise to the end of the night or at worse, another gang located at the dark end of the street (caught posing with a photographer shooting the sleeve for their next album.) For all its totally spurious macho ?Rock?n?Roll Animal?-isms, the above imagery impressed me by its strangeness much as it made my teenage wisenheimer rear its head and laugh outwardly at its overtly hyperbolised tough guy/danger-stranger stance. But it also made me curiously whisper to myself, ?Are these guys for real, or what?? And this is where Blue ?yster Cult comes in, because a truer link between The Doors and The Patti Smith Group outside of ?Gloria? never existed. 3. Eric Bloom?s Dog Collar Is Punk As Fuck Modeled on Iggy?s 1970-era model (I Wanna Be Your) dog collar was the thinner, studded one that B?C guitarist/vocalist Eric Bloom strapped around his thrapple during the period of the first three albums. Just look at that shot of him in the booklet of ?Secret Treaties?: wearing aviator shades and that dog collar while pouting, bearded and dressed totally in black (long-sleeved t-shirt with a rhinestone pattern and leather pants) except for his metallic stack heels as he stood posed in front of one Marshall stack too many wielding his black SG ?stun guitar? menacingly. I?m deaf just LOOKING at that shot and I GOTTA be that when I grow up or die trying because we are talking ROCK capital ?R? 40,000 meters tall AND in spades, diamonds, kings AND queens. And I can think of no other example of ?Doyen of Punk Mysterioso? anywhere else at the time of B?C?s ascent during the early-to-mid seventies that personifies this stance so purely. 4. Five Screaming Diz-Brains And Eight Screaming Diz-Busters After their first two truly weird but kinda patchy albums -- the ones with the black, white and a hint of red op art sleeves -- they convened to create one even weirder and not patchy in the least. Which was not gonna be a walk in the park by any means, seeing as their songs -- brutally hard and not held back one iota by their glossy production -- were already fucking out there. And the titles...Oh, man are you ready? You never will, so here goes: ?She?s As Beautiful As A Foot,? ?I?m On The Lamb But I Ain?t No Sheep,? ?Workshop Of The Telescopes,? Mistress Of The Salmon Salt? -- and possibly the one that will kill you if you even try figgering it out -- ?7 Screaming Diz-Busters.? Talk about taking the cake and shoving it down its own trap before you get to beg for a corner piece: These boys ain?t right. In fact, B?C were visionary geniuses who donned the dumb-ass cloak of ?Heavy Metal? AND had to pretend to be dumber than they were. Luckily, they succeeded: for they were five screaming Diz-Brains who dropped a perfect load of eight screaming diz-busters into a sacred text that everybody else knew as a record called ?Secret Treaties.? Its only failure was that it didn?t stop the rising tide of Heavy Metal then and there. It shoulda: cause it showed how it could be done the right way, and is as perfect as an album got in 1974...or ever. The front line of guitarists numbered at least two at all times in the form of Eric Bloom and Buck ?Donald Roeser? Dharma. On occasion, it would swell to three with when keyboardist Alan Lanier would switch over to guitar. And for encores, it would be the entire band: Eric, ?Donald?, Alan, Joe (already on Fender bass) and his brother, drummer Albert Bouchard while a B?C roadie would take to the drum set behind this Long Island Guitar Army... Enough with the preliminaries, we?re going in. 5. ?Hitler?s on the phone from Berlin / Says, ?I?m gonna make you a star!?? ?Secret Treaties? is without a doubt B?C?s finest moment: Comprised of eight screaming diz-busters loosely comprising an epic of something so secret...they never tell you. So secret...even THEY didn?t know. And that?s truly the beautiful thing about B?C, so loosen up and fergit all that intellectual?n?conceptual stuff behind it and just plunge right it, because all these unrevealed and non-non-sequitur lyrics they cook up pretending to be all heady sci-fi metaphysical stuff to outweigh their combined IQ are a nighttime soundtrack for driving around in circles stoned in a big black car through the urban dead of night. And when B?C refrain the lines ?And the joke?s on you? over and over on side two?s ?Flaming Telepaths? they coulda been just as easily directing that to any members of their listening audience fruitlessly searching for some (ANY) clues as to the meaning behind their cryptic, damaged lyrics. Good luck: you?d be far more successful translating the Stele of Hammurabi and setting it to a reggae version of ?Louie Louie? (if only Bob Marley hadn?t done it first with ?No Woman, No Cry,? that is.) The first of eight screamin? diz-busters, ?Career Of Evil? starts up with creaky murk-o-rama organ to the fore, much in the same way Dave Greenfield would do on The Stranglers? ?Rattus Norvegicus IV? in three years. Bloom intones Patti Smith?s lyrical CV for the aforementioned career of evil, and they?re completely over qualified for the position. The list of blackmail and dirty deeds done bum dirt cheap pile upwards, so they wisely chose it as the A-side for their next single, of course. These guys never gave up, I swear. ?I plot your rubric scarab? is the first sung lyric on the album, and they get even more baffling as the tracks pass by like thunder clouds in fast motion. This crossfades into the lobotomy-recovering and ominous seascape of ?Subhuman? where ??yster boys are swimming now/Hear them chatter on the tide? as Bloom throws in those extra Dylanesque nasal passage intonations just for kicks right before the furtive and frantically paced two guitar/one organ chorus riff they continually rise and fall into. Becalmed twin guitars swim upstream over Lanier?s backing organ swirls and misty e-piano tinklings until it fades into the opening tick-tock cowbell (later reprised to fantastic effect on their monster hit single, ?(Don?t Fear) The Reaper?) that lights the fuse of ?Dominance And Submission.? This song is a screaming classic from its beginning to its grand finale rock?n?roll ending. It?s tightly wound and frantically hammered out with all speed, and who knows what the fuck the lyrics mean. Especially, that creepy intonation that comes outta nowhere alla time whispering with a glint in it?s eye, uttering ?radios appear.? Upon last entry, it?s a prelude for the title getting repeated about 40 times as an insanely rising entreaty of: ?Sub-MISSION!? against the matter-of-factly group chorus of ?Dominance? like a chained call-and-response see-saw ride down in the dungeon on the rack, with ?Roeser?/Dharma finishing it all up with a truly perfect and wrecked guitar solo topped off by Bouchard?s multi-smacked pang cymbals. It all hits the wall in woozled echo wobbles drunkenly off into the middle of the true cities in flame with rock?n?roll that is ?ME 262.? The by-product of too many late nights hunkered down in their parents? basement with their pals huffing glue, watching re-runs of old WWII movies while staging interplanetary war on distant planets via sub-plots copped from old Marvel comics until passing out under a mountain of empty beer cans AND waking up the following afternoon only to do it all over again. Perfect. I?m laughing at the second verse, ?Hitler?s on the phone from Berlin / Says: ?I?m gonna make you a star!?? so I don?t care anymore. Neither do B?C, especially as that turbo-propelled Nazi craft screams above and swoops behind them as they rock out into overdrive. Rock?n?roll rendered with thickly buzz-saw guitars and skeletal piano filigrees until all cuts out to the march of goose-stepping feet, bombs going off, air raid sirens and general last ditch 1945 pandemonium. Over and over they return to the main riot riff not altogether dissimilar to Hawkwind?s ?Kings Of Speed? of the following year until a voice calmly announces from behind the security of the studio glass: ?Bombers at twelve o?clock high.? But it?s too late -- Bloom and ?Roeser?/Dharma?s guitars swoop up and down to return fire at the last remains of the Luftwaffe squadron not blown out of the sky while standing in the middle of the road just as single-handedly and heroically stupid and blood?n?guts as General George ?C. Scott? Patton did with his pearl-handled revolver in the film at that German fighter trying to flat-hat his ass. They rejoin the pummeling Bouchard rhythm section to rock out amid further air raid sirens with a resounding blast. 6. ?I?m after rebellion / I?ll settle for lies? Side two of ?Secret Treaties? is all cross-faded, flowing together swiftly and gracefully and veering altogether into a hard rock that becomes more progressive-tinged with each track. The ever-descending ?Cagey Cretins? kicks in, and never lets up. ?Whatcha got there, honey?? asks Bloom as Albert Bouchard kicks up a tight and ever-rousing rhythm section together with Brother Joe. He further inquires, ?Is it a worm?? Hahahahahahaha...Buck ?Donald Roeser? Dharma?s guitar solo is rendered without a single misstep or a wasted effort, and is one of his best all-time solos. The middle section is a yo-yo ride down further and further into creepy weather, down the toilet and straight into the sewer at the speed of steaming log. They shoot up through the sewer grate to return to the main fray, ending it all on a shiny dime they found back there down in the sewer. ?Harvester Of Eyes? is the ballad of the album, and would be extremely sleazy if it were not for the totally sick-o lyrics. The vocals are rendered like Alice Cooper offa ?Killer? and another ?Roeser?/Dharma solo cuts in and everything to ribbons. Bloom soon is gibbering out the lyrics all at once so that you REALLY can?t tell what the hell he?s on, or on about. But soon, a small child?s musical box starts tinkling innocently, signaling from here on in, you?re on your own because the remainder of side two is hogged up by two massive epics in the shape of ?Flaming Telepaths? and ?Astronomy.? Both are incredible in their impenetrability, scope and heavily-arranged though dazzlingly performed delivery. ?Flaming Telepaths? starts with one-fingered Stooge piano, boggy Moog and searing guitar all delivered somewhat like Granicus throwing in snatches of ?The Ballad of Dwight Fry? in the middle of their own epic ?Paradise? albeit with far more piano and a sprawling Moog centerpiece. The song ends stretched to an ever-accelerating ?Donald Roeser?/Dharma soloing guitar canvas as over and over the intonation of ?And the joke?s on you.../ And the joke?s on you.../ And the joke?s on you...? goes on for far too long until It cuts out and into a distant hi-hat and piano beginning the epic tension-reliever of all Mothers, ?Astronomy.? The lyrics are excerpted from a sprawling poem written by producer Sandy Pearlman in the mid-sixties entitled ?Imaginos? and it is a towering epic to be reckoned with. I rarely don?t cry or feel my heart swell whenever I hear it. Against turgid organ and a multi-layered thickness you?d be hard pressed to find outside of progressive rock, fewer still rendered with the force of the five ?yster boys giving it their all. Especially against a rallying chorus whose only words are: ?Hey!? ?Hey!? ?Hey!? ?Astronomy? carries along with such a massive expanse of feeling, it tricks you into thinking it?s really the entire second side of ?Secret Treaties? due to all the complex, thought-through arrangements. It is truly massive, beautiful and wordlessly sad, despite its monolithic lyrics...They end this dreamtime epic and with it the album, and with that -- the sound of distant, howling winds. And that?s ?Secret Treaties? in a nut-sack. It?s been a long time coming, but only because its true vision was clouded by too many of their post-?Agents Of Fortune? albums which just got more and more produced as they tilted themselves off that tight-ass tightrope they once precariously balanced themselves so perfectly on. And it?s been an even longer time since my high school pal Bob Mischka first tried to convince me of the greatness of ?Secret Treaties? and he was dead right when he proclaimed it in his usually effusive terms of ?Giant!? (So Bob, if you?re out there: ?I?m bashed? and this review is dedicated to you, numbskull.) Thanks also to Gregg Gehrlein who not only saw B?C on the ?Secret Treaties? tour, but convinced me I needed this record and subsequently suffered endless evil intonations of ?Too much revolution, then,? ?It will be time? and ?Radios appear? from my yap down the phone as a result. 7. ?Mommy! Mommy!? (Postscript) Although dissimilar in tempo and execution from the airtight and expansive sound of ?Secret Treaties?, a clutch of outtakes from the sessions could?ve/shoulda/weren?t at all released as an excellent extended play single and are tacked onto the end of the recent CD re-issue. First up is ?Boorman The Chauffer? (sic), misspelled as perfectly as its careening qualities. Who?s behind the wheel of the black limozeen we?re doing doughnuts in the parking lot of the 7-11 with? Oh, Boorman the Chauffer, and he?s not stopping for anything as B?C head back to Lawn Guylan on the Belt Parkway to the sanctuary of Cult HQ located at an undisclosed locale somewhere in Nassau County. Albert Bouchard really chops it up and down and all around with rapidly executed snare fills, interfacing with the ?Roeser?/Dharma + Bloom 2-way guitar with blasting cap ignition. Bloom?s razzing intro ?This song is about ya muthah!? for the the killer ?Mommy? starts up with prominent organ and those ever-tight arrangements. It?s truly killer, seeing Bloom dispassionately voicing displeasure with his mother, his wife AND his daughter in the following way: ?I?d like to see ?em dead/I hope they buy the farm/I?m going to plan it now/I?m gonna use a bomb!? But with the mindless chorus of ?Mommy! Mommy!?, how could it miss, I ask ya... ?Mes Dames Sarat? is an Alan Lanier composition, starting up with rapidly scratching, jock-itch guitars and crazy, tilt-o-whirl organ rollercoastering throughout this full-throttle nighttime encounter oozing overall threatening overtones. A true ?Doyens of Punk Mysterioso? moment, then. The vocals are super-drawled out as Albert Bouchard flies economically all over the kit. There?s also the A-side version of ?Career Of Evil? (mixed differently with ultra-treated vocals that lands it even more squarely in ?Love It To Death? territory) as well as the single that followed ?Secret Treaties.? It?s (get this) a tightly nailed down cover of ?Born To Be Wild.? No way. B. ??Cult were elders sworn to an unspoken fealty, so respect them or be subject to dire consequences. But you must decide how to take them: on your feet, knees or both. Or better yet: your head. _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 12:01:26 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:01:26 +0100 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 12:10:19 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:10:19 +0100 Subject: The Shield Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 12:11:42 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 12:21:42 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:21:42 -0400 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig In-Reply-To: <200904291601.n3TG1Qfi020370@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Looks like if we book now, we'll get 'em a lot cheaper. If we all pile > into a largish hotel, it'll have a late bar and we can take it over. > Alternatively we can see what price a room for a room party. Jill has > already done some research on this. > > Email me if interested so that I can guage numbers and we can > investigate further. > > Anyone from the band want to comment? Are you guys likely to do > anything? I'd be up for either taking over the hotel bar afterward, or a room party. I'm solvent, can contribute to the latter... I intend to be there for both the Fri and Sat events. I'd say big party after the Saturday night gig, I don't want to get pasted on Friday night and be hung over for Saturday's event. ;-) If we could party with the band, so much the better... :) Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 12:24:47 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:24:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:12:45 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 12:26:25 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:26:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: Mike Montfort's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:37:29 +0000 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 12:29:13 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:29:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: <200904291611.n3TGBg0k021184@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Steve Swann writes: [ re: "Battlestar Galactica" ] > I agree. Any fan of Bab5 would want to watch it. > Yup. That used to be my favorite TV s/f show before the BG remake. Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 13:46:57 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:46:57 -0500 Subject: THE JURY OF ICU Message-ID: On 4/29/09, trev wrote: > > (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play > furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. > Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he > gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. > chinggg...thank you > trev Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I am now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous at this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember that he, in fact, ever did I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with you edited out.... From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 13:48:53 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:48:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Live Chronicles audio showdown Message-ID: So, my new headphones arrived a while ago, and I decided to figure out once and for all which of the 4 Live Chronicles releases is really the one to have. So here's the equipment used to do the audio comparison: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-7506-Pro-MDR-7506-Headphones/dp/B0002H02ZY http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/320/ Neither the Amazon nor the Sterophile link is intended as an endorsement (ok, especially of Stereofool). ;-) The contenders: #1 Original single CD release, "The Collector's Series" GWR Records Castle Communications CCSCD 321 1992(?) So, this is the oldie, the one I'm most familiar with from having listened to it since it came out in what, '92? Probably because it's the version that I'm used to, I have a liking for it that far exceeds its actual quality as a recording. It's weak on the bottom end and screechy at the top. I have to assume this one was mixed to CD direct from the LP balanced master tapes, there's no other rational explanation for those glass-shattering, ear piercing synthesizer washes. And yet I like it. I'm weird. #2 Original 2-disc version with restored songs Griffin Music GCDHA-0136-2 This came out not too long after the Castle original. At the time that it came out, I thought that by comparison to the Castle original it sounded "muddy". I have to fess up that I never really gave this one a fair chance. Looking back, Griffin did a pretty good job of properly balancing the mix, making it less screamingly bright. It stands somewhere in between the original Castle release (#1) and the Remastered Castle release (#3) in terms of how beefy it sounds. #3 Remastered single disc version, with "Bonus Collection" disc Castle Communications CCS CD 829 1998(?) So, this time Castle took their original 1-disc version of LC, and remastered it, seriously re-balancing the sound and beefing up the bass end to give it lot more presence and impact. It has none of the screechy glare of the original, and the bass has the kind of room shaking quality that it probably had in the original concerts. I didn't like this much when it came out, I thought it had buried the other instruments under bass and drums, but in fact on listening to it again that's an unfair assessment of it. Of course by raising the volume and impact of those instruments you hear slightly less of the others (like Huw's guitar), but they are by no means buried, the mix is actually pretty damn good, and what it's really done is lifted the sonic compression from the original Castle release. I like this one a lot. #4 Remastered 2-disc version Atomhenge ATOMCD 2007 2008 So, sonically, this is very similar to the Castle remaster. I go back and forth as to which one I think is clearer or has more sense of presence. When I play this at top volume on my big speakers I detect a slight unpleasant burr in the sound, but I am not 100% convinced that this a failing in this recording vs a problem with either my speakers or amp. But really, if you want the full LC performance, there's no choice anyway. Bottom line: this is in a two-way tie for best sounding release, and it's the only one that's got the full restored performance, so this is the one to own. Steve P.S. Now someone will go and do some serious audio analysis, and find out that one or the other release is saturated to the point of clipping like gets done to everything else these days, and I'll have to eat my words about what's good... ;-) From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 13:57:30 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:57:30 -0400 Subject: THE JURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM, mike coleman wrote: > On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >> >> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >> chinggg...thank you >> trev > > Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I am > now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some > change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous at > this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember > that he, in fact, ?ever did > I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with you > edited out.... Oh thank god - I thought it was the Furry of ICU, performed in their Bunny suits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MkVIe9xGc ;-) Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 14:15:17 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:15:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cope on SWU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Christian Mumford wrote: > http://headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/790 At some point I have to try re-reading that while listening to the first three albums. That essay is as elusive as Pearlman's lyrics. ;-) Steve From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 15:08:36 2009 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:08:36 +0100 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig Message-ID: Unfortunately my research didn't come to much. I was looking at this page http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/a637/ but (1) the offers weren't as cheap as I thought they were - though still good for a London hotel. More importantly (2) cheap offers were only limited to a very few rooms - after that the prices went up. That said the Umi hotel still looks a good option price wise and seems to have an associated club next door - the 1356 bar - but I'm a tad uncertain as to quality (both of hotel and bar). Otherwise LateRooms.com http://www.laterooms.com/en/p1301/pv1440420/Hotels.aspx?k=W2%204PR&d=20090828&n=2&rt=1,0#ernhzt offers a wide choice but the accommodation on offer varies hugely from basic to exotic and you have to research each one And Nota Bene Bene (NBB). The Notting Hill Carnival is taking place 30/31 August 2009 so any and all accommodation will be booked out for that! Not in Edinburgh this weekend so I post this for discussion purposes. jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig > Looks like if we book now, we'll get 'em a lot cheaper. If we all pile > into a largish hotel, it'll have a late bar and we can take it over. > Alternatively we can see what price a room for a room party. Jill has > already done some research on this. > > Email me if interested so that I can guage numbers and we can > investigate further. > > Anyone from the band want to comment? Are you guys likely to do > anything? > > FoFP > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 14:42:49 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:42:49 +0200 Subject: BOC: Cope on SWU In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291115k5dad0cees8e404bdf9b6eed5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: funny, Steve- i less than read less than a fifth of that article and immediately headed to the toilet to vomit. I thought punk music / culture had made me a sick man (I was originally searching for the lyrics to The Soft Boys "Rock 'n' Roll Toilet" when that page showed up in Google) but this dissection is QUITE sickening. I think its in poor taste but REALLY cool (being ahem, a 'punk' in my past). I only saw the "Soft White Underbelly" in the header so i quickly posted the header though ut should read "BOC: Cope on ST" - oh well. Here is the Soft Boys lyric in case you are curious what I was REALLY looking / googling for: ROCK 'N' ROLL TOILET by THE SOFT BOYS I got locked with a couple of jerks in a rock and roll toilet. Here came Jah to perform his works in a rock and roll toilet. I got wedged with a couple of clones in a rock and roll toilet, With hair cut smooth as polished stones in a rock and roll toilet. Rock and roll toilet's my alibi, my lullaby, my [sacrifice?], Rock and roll toilet's my pair of boots, my only [chutes?], my only roots, yeah; I got wedged with a couple of dudes in a rock and roll toilet. I'd rather just sit and imagine my food in a rock and roll toilet. Look at the beautiful patterns that form on the wall, Stick out your finger to trace them, just look at them all. Look at the beautiful patterns that form on the wall, Stick out your finger to trace them, just look at them all. Look at them all, yeah, look at them all. There's no truth in a telephone booth or a rock and roll toilet. There's no way in a, no decay in a rock and roll toilet. Rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll toilet. Rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll toilet. Rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll toilet. Rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll, rock and roll toilet. [...] With heads smooth as [...] Rock and roll toilet's my carving knife, my real life, my real wife, yeah; [...] I'd rather die than get an honest job, I'm gonna rock and roll 'till the toilet clogs. > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:15:17 -0400 > From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: BOC: Cope on SWU > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Christian Mumford > wrote: > > http://headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/790 > > At some point I have to try re-reading that while listening to the > first three albums. That essay is as elusive as Pearlman's lyrics. > ;-) > > Steve _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 29 15:14:48 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:14:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Chronicles audio showdown In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291048r4046194eud49b29386c002253@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is there any version of LC currently in print besides this one anyway? :) BTW, how does the running order in the Atomhenge release differ from the Griffin release? Cheers, Carl On 29 Apr 2009, at 12:48, Steve Swann wrote: > #4 Remastered 2-disc version > Atomhenge > ATOMCD 2007 > 2008 > > So, sonically, this is very similar to the Castle remaster. I go back > and forth as to which one I think is clearer or has more sense of > presence. When I play this at top volume on my big speakers I detect > a slight unpleasant burr in the sound, but I am not 100% convinced > that this a failing in this recording vs a problem with either my > speakers or amp. But really, if you want the full LC performance, > there's no choice anyway. Bottom line: this is in a two-way tie for > best sounding release, and it's the only one that's got the full > restored performance, so this is the one to own. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 29 15:32:53 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:32:53 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 28 Apr 2009, at 14:10, Christian Mumford wrote: > The RCA stuff quickly followed in the heels of "Levitation" and I > consider the entire Huw era from 1979 (Levitation) up to 1988 > (Xenon Codex) one big "era", which includes "Choose Your Masques" > the NWOBHM era if you like... Black Sword doesen't strike me as > similar to "Levitation" due to the sword & sorcery concept, i find > "Xenon Codex" to be its logical "bastard brother" of sorts.... I can see viewing the 79-88 "Huw era" as a piece, though nonetheless, the RCA albums always seemed to stand to one side, to me. And, thematically, I don't think there's much connection between the Black Sword stuff and either Levitation or Xenon Codex (or much of anything else, barring WotEoT!); it's more in the style of music music that I feel the Live '79/Levitation stuff is closer to Black Sword or Xenon Codex than to the RCA material. Dunno -- it's just a feeling! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 15:45:03 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:45:03 -0400 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig In-Reply-To: <4138B0F83C824F47A7FDBF713F3083D1@jillspc> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Unfortunately my research didn't come to much. ? I was looking at this page > http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/a637/ > but (1) the offers weren't as cheap as I thought they were - though still > good for a London hotel. > More importantly (2) cheap offers were only limited to a very few rooms - > after that the prices went up. > That said the Umi hotel still looks a good option price wise and seems to > have an associated club next door - the 1356 bar - but I'm a tad uncertain > as to quality (both of hotel and bar). > > Otherwise LateRooms.com > http://www.laterooms.com/en/p1301/pv1440420/Hotels.aspx?k=W2%204PR&d=20090828&n=2&rt=1,0#ernhzt > offers a wide choice but the accommodation on offer varies hugely from basic > to exotic and you have to research each one > > And Nota Bene Bene (NBB). ?The Notting Hill Carnival is taking place 30/31 > August 2009 so any and all accommodation will be booked out for that! > > Not in Edinburgh this weekend so I post this for discussion ?purposes. > jill Travelodge is 2.5 miles away, and gets great ratings on Trip Advisor. I can't figure out whether that's because it's so cheap (L19/night?) or whether it's actually a nice place. :) http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186338-d1061544-r26024175-Travelodge_London_Southwark-London_England.html http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=porchester+hall+london&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,7940602293732326456&ei=yqv4SfXOKIXkyAWj57m2DA&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1 Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 15:49:37 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:49:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Live Chronicles audio showdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Is there any version of LC currently in print besides this one anyway? :) > > BTW, how does the running order in the Atomhenge release differ from the > Griffin release? They mis-titled different songs...? ;-) Not sure, I'll check later. Steve From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Apr 29 15:52:48 2009 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:52:48 -0500 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291245t2ecd4d75ia5eade78eb2673dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just stayed at the Travelodge at Euston last month, and I can certainly say it's pretty bare bones...(no phone in room or way of contacting the front desk, single pillow, single towel, that kind of thing.) Plus, when we were looking last, rates for those dates were in the 99 pound range. (Note: it's been awhile since we looked.) I will note (from prior experience :-) ), that if you are interested in doing group bookings that you cannot really rely on internet information (with some few exceptions.) In the end, you end up having to call/email the meeting reservation or group booking folks and negotiating directly. Best bet might be to identify which hotels/chains you wish to pursue, then contacting them directly. Arin (feeling terribly guilty for not volunteering to organize, yet.) -------------------------------------------- Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 tel: (773)834-4087 fax: (773)702-0559 -------------------------------------------- : -----Original Message----- : From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC- : L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann : Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:45 PM : To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET : Subject: Re: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig : : On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jill Strobridge : wrote: : > Unfortunately my research didn't come to much. ? I was looking at : this page : > : http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/ : a637/ : > but (1) the offers weren't as cheap as I thought they were - though : still : > good for a London hotel. : > More importantly (2) cheap offers were only limited to a very few : rooms - : > after that the prices went up. : > That said the Umi hotel still looks a good option price wise and : seems to : > have an associated club next door - the 1356 bar - but I'm a tad : uncertain : > as to quality (both of hotel and bar). : > : > Otherwise LateRooms.com : > : http://www.laterooms.com/en/p1301/pv1440420/Hotels.aspx?k=W2%204PR&d=20 : 090828&n=2&rt=1,0#ernhzt : > offers a wide choice but the accommodation on offer varies hugely : from basic : > to exotic and you have to research each one : > : > And Nota Bene Bene (NBB). ?The Notting Hill Carnival is taking place : 30/31 : > August 2009 so any and all accommodation will be booked out for that! : > : > Not in Edinburgh this weekend so I post this for discussion : ?purposes. : > jill : : Travelodge is 2.5 miles away, and gets great ratings on Trip Advisor. : I can't figure out whether that's because it's so cheap (L19/night?) : or whether it's actually a nice place. :) : : http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186338-d1061544-r26024175- : Travelodge_London_Southwark-London_England.html : : http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF- : 8&q=porchester+hall+london&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,79406022937323264 : 56&ei=yqv4SfXOKIXkyAWj57m2DA&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1 : : Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 15:56:21 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:56:21 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <2983D3F7-19CD-499B-B7F0-E132F0570979@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Wow, I'd be using the RCA albums as the standard to compare the latter albums to myself maybe it was the LSD hmm I think I've got both the original LC's stashed her at colemanville towers, maybe even sealed I'd throw Xenon and Chronicle in my now famous saying "20 feet into the neighbors yard" before anyone could so much as LOOK at my RCA albums but then again I hate to do this because to me it's "all good" same with "live chronicles" (into the parking lot) On 4/29/09, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 14:10, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> The RCA stuff quickly followed in the heels of "Levitation" and I consider >> the entire Huw era from 1979 (Levitation) up to 1988 (Xenon Codex) one big >> "era", which includes "Choose Your Masques" the NWOBHM era if you like... >> Black Sword doesen't strike me as similar to "Levitation" due to the sword & >> sorcery concept, i find "Xenon Codex" to be its logical "bastard brother" of >> sorts.... >> > > > I can see viewing the 79-88 "Huw era" as a piece, though nonetheless, the > RCA albums always seemed to stand to one side, to me. And, thematically, I > don't think there's much connection between the Black Sword stuff and either > Levitation or Xenon Codex (or much of anything else, barring WotEoT!); it's > more in the style of music music that I feel the Live '79/Levitation stuff > is closer to Black Sword or Xenon Codex than to the RCA material. Dunno -- > it's just a feeling! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:02:13 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:02:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Chronicles audio showdown In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291249p4b75dec4id79f566b582787@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/29/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson > wrote: > > They mis-titled different songs...? ;-) > > Not sure, I'll check later. I think they are identical, Griiffin just had the full titles written out I could stand corrected From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 29 16:15:39 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:15:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904290812j3c8575b6qc1c3b3cdc0432392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:12, Steve Swann wrote: > The man was a barbarian who just didn't accept > that fantasy could be considered literature I guess he didn't much like Homer or Shakespeare, then! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:32:06 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:32:06 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291256q329d1a72v309ce43bf7944557@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:56 PM, mike coleman wrote: > Wow, I'd be using the RCA albums as the standard to compare the latter > albums to myself > maybe it was the LSD > hmm > I think I've got both the original LC's stashed her at colemanville towers, > maybe even sealed > I'd throw Xenon and Chronicle in my now famous saying "20 feet into the > neighbors yard" before anyone could so much as LOOK at my RCA albums > but then again I hate to do this because to me it's "all good" > same with "live chronicles" (into the parking lot) Don't you diz the Chronicles, Coal Man! Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:39:28 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:39:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 29 Apr 2009, at 10:12, Steve Swann wrote: >> >> The man was a barbarian who just didn't accept >> that fantasy could be considered literature > > I guess he didn't much like Homer or Shakespeare, then! :) Not much, no. What he did seem to like was combing his hair up over the top of his bald dome, and using his rudimentary knowledge of psychoanalytic technique to get teen aged girls to "open up" to him. Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:44:34 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291332h6600e1beoa6245e51696bd50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Don't you diz the Chronicles, Coal Man! > > Steve > Ok, notice it was done at the end, as an afterthought and please remember that I would never really dis anything HW, I mean this is stuff that Heroin addiction takes a back seat to, and tobacco is almost "history" please edit that and forgive, I wish to add something anyway All Huw's tracks are ABSOLUTELY my personal favorites on there I was simply showing the diversity of interest in the HW material, which I am sure you and Carl know as well as I do amazing further exaples: I really cannot stand one song: "wastelands of sleep" anyway, at least I am directing to you and carl and leaving Trev to hang himself (do NOT actually DO THIS, Trev) PS-maybe it is my severe ADD, and my love of the RCA "experimental" approach, can do without silver machine again there however From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:47:50 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:47:50 -0400 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig In-Reply-To: <0DA2892F6ED46743AEFB703E03030E650106D8CB575C@EVS03.ad.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Arin Komins wrote: > > I will note (from prior experience :-) ), that if you are interested in doing group bookings that you cannot really rely on internet information (with some few exceptions.) ?In the end, you end up having to call/email the meeting reservation or group booking folks and negotiating directly. > > Best bet might be to identify which hotels/chains you wish to pursue, then contacting them directly. > > Arin > (feeling terribly guilty for not volunteering to organize, yet.) "Yet"? And, just *how* guilty do you need to feel in order for us to appoint you official HW40 coordinator? LOL :-D Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:49:20 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:49:20 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291344l48dd8668s970bd49104365223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 1 more, sorry I meant "sword of the east" hate it wastelands is better but still murky you see, just like that band Legendary Pink Dots, that HAS to be music for "closet lambchoppers", if not redeemed by lyrics I WANT to like them but have never found the means I'll take the Bugaloos LP over LPD ANY DAY The Bunaloo On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > Don't you diz the Chronicles, Coal Man! >> >> Steve >> > Ok, notice it was done at the end, as an afterthought > and please remember that I would never really dis anything HW, I mean this > is stuff that Heroin addiction takes a back seat to, and tobacco is almost > "history" > please edit that and forgive, I wish to add something anyway > All Huw's tracks are ABSOLUTELY my personal favorites on there > I was simply showing the diversity of interest in the HW material, which I > am sure you and Carl know as well as I do > amazing > further exaples: I really cannot stand one song: "wastelands of sleep" > anyway, at least I am directing to you and carl and leaving Trev to hang > himself > (do NOT actually DO THIS, Trev) > PS-maybe it is my severe ADD, and my love of the RCA "experimental" > approach, can do without silver machine again there however > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 16:55:33 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:55:33 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291344l48dd8668s970bd49104365223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: oh god, I'm so sorry but I must add I may be a moron I may be ugly but I was NEVER a smack user.......(I have watched it kill friends) it was a comment only On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > Don't you diz the Chronicles, Coal Man! >> >> Steve >> > Ok, notice it was done at the end, as an afterthought > and please remember that I would never really dis anything HW, I mean this > is stuff that Heroin addiction takes a back seat to, and tobacco is almost > "history" > please edit that and forgive, I wish to add something anyway > All Huw's tracks are ABSOLUTELY my personal favorites on there > I was simply showing the diversity of interest in the HW material, which I > am sure you and Carl know as well as I do > amazing > further exaples: I really cannot stand one song: "wastelands of sleep" > anyway, at least I am directing to you and carl and leaving Trev to hang > himself > (do NOT actually DO THIS, Trev) > PS-maybe it is my severe ADD, and my love of the RCA "experimental" > approach, can do without silver machine again there however > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 17:11:25 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: <200904291626.n3TGQPKe022083@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I've heard good things about Battle Star... but don't do cable. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:26 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Mike Montfort writes: [Battlestar Galaxative...] > Actually its frAcking amazing. It has rewritten the book on SciFi. > US or otherwise Indeed. What I really want to see now is JMS strapped to electrodes and forced to write Babylon Four in that particular style... FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 17:11:25 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] In-Reply-To: <200904291611.n3TGBg0k021184@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll try to find it on freeaoltv.com. Thanks for the info. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Re: [mary: Re: OFF: Chrysalids] Steve Swann writes: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:28 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > Mary Sez: > > > >> Thanks for the other recommendation for a story involving telepathy. > >> The reason why I loved Bab. ?5 so much was the ongoing battle between > >> Besta and the renegade telepaths, also, all the characters are gray, > >> instead of the oh, so perfect characters in Star Trek > > > > Yes, I was a big Bab5 fan for the very same reason. It's also why I > > think "The Shield" is a wonderfully written cop show. > > Have you by any chance watched the 2000s remake of Battlestar > Galactica? Does the Pope shit in the woods? Peeve: Series 4 still hasn't been on Earth TV. > I'm astonished that it managed to get made, it breaks all > the usual tropes of American TV s/f. It has honest-to-god gray moral > issues, genuinely conflicted characters (as opposed to the usual > Hollywood "conflicts" derived from the Big Book of Hollywood Cliches), > it tackles politics, religion, sexuality, it doesn't shy away from the > awful ways that people behave under the effects of fear and > paranoia... it's freaking amazing. I agree. Any fan of Bab5 would want to watch it. FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 17:11:25 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hawkwind does break down into categories based on membership on their own, with each era having a defining sound. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:10 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm The RCA stuff quickly followed in the heels of "Levitation" and I consider the entire Huw era from 1979 (Levitation) up to 1988 (Xenon Codex) one big "era", which includes "Choose Your Masques" the NWOBHM era if you like... Black Sword doesen't strike me as similar to "Levitation" due to the sword & sorcery concept, i find "Xenon Codex" to be its logical "bastard brother" of sorts.... The Calvert era I definiteley enjoy as the more "intellectual" (totally different hue :) and I consider the Sonic Assassins as much linked to the Quark/PXR5/Hawklords era. After all, Calvert's ahem charisma was a huge part of the sound, and then the group nearly broke up after his departure........ and Levitation harkened more back to the days of "Warrior" IMO, though a slickened beast it was..... Christian > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:38:00 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:19, Steve Swann wrote: > > (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the > > albums that gets talked up a lot... > > > I have to say that I never really warmed to the RCA albums that much! :) > > Before them came the "Calvert era" in the late 70s that, after the > Sonic Assassins "wilderness period", was superseded by the very > different but very promising _Levitation_ ... but then on to the RCA > albums, which I wasn't so into -- and then, IMO, things didn't really > pick up until CotBS, the vibe of which really harked back to > Levitation in many ways, more so than continuing the RCA style, I > thought. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 17:11:25 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes Griffin did, and it took a long time for the contracts to get worked out. Dave kept those close to the belt for a long time. The last show I was at I ran into 1 of the Godwins, they're good people. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Christian Mumford Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm I thought there was only the EBS version of Masques...... did griffin really put out a version?? > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:19:49 -0700 > From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Yeah, I missed the Griffin release back in the day. Frankly, I was still rather fuddled by the sheer size of the Hawkwind catalog at the time and (rightly or wrongly) Choose Your Masques has never been one of the albums that gets talked up a lot... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Date: Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 12:52 pm > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:27, Steve Swann wrote: > No what I *need* is a CD of Choose Your Masques, but I've already > got 1 mortgage on my house... > > What? Didn't you get that when Griffin re-released it? (Ah, am I > remembering aright? Did Griffin re-release that?) I feel sure I > have one somewhere ..... > > > Also my CD of Alien 4 seems to have gone walkabout, and the > replacement cost is similarly staggering.... > > > And, though this may be blasphemy, I think I may like Alien 4 or at > least bits of it rather more than Choose Your Masques. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx& mkt=en-us From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 17:21:30 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:21:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Chrysalids In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904290812j3c8575b6qc1c3b3cdc0432392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you have good reason to be irritated at that teacher. I really think some educators get intimidated when the student knows more than they do. Heaven forbid, you're thinking for yourself, in high school. What is this world coming to. Mary -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:13 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Chrysalids On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:24 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > Then again, the rules did say something to the effect that studying any > books of "literary value" or somesuch was permitted. ?My English teacher > counselled against it, but she disliked me so much anyway (report cards > of "No respect for authority" etc that I've since tried hard to live up > to) that I just ignored her. I had one of those bastards in high school. He gave me a D (barely passing grade) on a major term paper because it was about Lord of the Rings. This despite the fact that I had literally two large grocery sacks full of books of Tolkien literary criticism, published by places like Harvard and the U of Chicago (not to mention the more populist criticism like W.H. Auden and Paul Kocher), which I cited liberally to support my thesis. The man was a barbarian who just didn't accept that fantasy could be considered literature (I think the only book he ever actually liked was In Cold Blood). I think it didn't help that the only style of literary criticism that this guy knew at all was some half-assed Freudian analysis that he picked up in community college. He tried to prevent me from taking the AP English exam because he swore I would embarrass the school (and him). I got a 5. God, I hadn't thought of this in 20-some years... who knew I'd still be irritated about it?! ;-) Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 17:37:40 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:37:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Lost Chronicles, still lost? Message-ID: So I just hit up what appears to be the latest Hawkwind Codex at Starfarer's site, thinking that it's been years since I'd checked... maybe there'd *finally* be an "L" version of Lost Chronicles. No such luck apparently. Probably my second-favorite Hawkwind instrumental, after Wind of Change, and no live version...? :-( Any good fan recorded ones? Bernhard? Mike? Steve From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 18:10:41 2009 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:10:41 +0100 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig Travelodge? Message-ID: That's exactly what's needed! Travelodge are basic but there's nothing hugely wrong with them - although I concede that the walls tend to be thin enough that you hear your next door neighbour snoring and the bathrooms can be a bit whiffy. Perhaps not Southwark though because it's the other side of the river and public transport is a bit limited. I had a quick browse for the nights of Aug 28-30 and couldn't find anything at ?19 a night however they do seem to have a sale on here: http://www.travelodge.co.uk/saver_rooms/ and some of the hotels listed are much closer to the Porchester Hall than Southwark. It could be a good site to go hunting - well found. Jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Swann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Unfortunately my research didn't come to much. I was looking at this page > http://www.londontown.com/LondonInformation/Attraction/Porchester_Hall/a637/ > but (1) the offers weren't as cheap as I thought they were - though still > good for a London hotel. > More importantly (2) cheap offers were only limited to a very few rooms - > after that the prices went up. > That said the Umi hotel still looks a good option price wise and seems to > have an associated club next door - the 1356 bar - but I'm a tad uncertain > as to quality (both of hotel and bar). > > Otherwise LateRooms.com > http://www.laterooms.com/en/p1301/pv1440420/Hotels.aspx?k=W2%204PR&d=20090828&n=2&rt=1,0#ernhzt > offers a wide choice but the accommodation on offer varies hugely from > basic > to exotic and you have to research each one > > And Nota Bene Bene (NBB). The Notting Hill Carnival is taking place 30/31 > August 2009 so any and all accommodation will be booked out for that! > > Not in Edinburgh this weekend so I post this for discussion purposes. > jill Travelodge is 2.5 miles away, and gets great ratings on Trip Advisor. I can't figure out whether that's because it's so cheap (L19/night?) or whether it's actually a nice place. :) http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186338-d1061544-r26024175-Travelodge_London_Southwark-London_England.html http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=porchester+hall+london&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,7940602293732326456&ei=yqv4SfXOKIXkyAWj57m2DA&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1 Steve From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 15:52:11 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:52:11 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <2983D3F7-19CD-499B-B7F0-E132F0570979@carlaz.com> Message-ID: well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are both SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon Codex more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre. c > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:32:53 -0500 > From: cea at CARLAZ.COM > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > On 28 Apr 2009, at 14:10, Christian Mumford wrote: > > The RCA stuff quickly followed in the heels of "Levitation" and I > > consider the entire Huw era from 1979 (Levitation) up to 1988 > > (Xenon Codex) one big "era", which includes "Choose Your Masques" > > the NWOBHM era if you like... Black Sword doesen't strike me as > > similar to "Levitation" due to the sword & sorcery concept, i find > > "Xenon Codex" to be its logical "bastard brother" of sorts.... > > > I can see viewing the 79-88 "Huw era" as a piece, though nonetheless, > the RCA albums always seemed to stand to one side, to me. And, > thematically, I don't think there's much connection between the Black > Sword stuff and either Levitation or Xenon Codex (or much of anything > else, barring WotEoT!); it's more in the style of music music that I > feel the Live '79/Levitation stuff is closer to Black Sword or Xenon > Codex than to the RCA material. Dunno -- it's just a feeling! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 20:04:04 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:04:04 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/29/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > > well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than > "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are both > SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon Codex > more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre That's because it is a Brock solo album "featuring" the others.......my favorite album cover of them all going on your previous use of the word doom, I would use it myself thusly: PURE LSD transcribed into music losing potency into the 80's and 90's by the obvious signs of the times and the nature of the beast itself I'm not hearing any Black Sabbath From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 20:11:44 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:11:44 -0500 Subject: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm Message-ID: when I just now try to think of how "doom" fits to my thinking, I can see something like brainstorm "battling doom" and winning, 37 years on and still taking prisoners On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 4/29/09, Christian Mumford wrote: >> >> well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than >> "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are both >> SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon Codex >> more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre > > > > That's because it is a Brock solo album "featuring" the others.......my > favorite album cover of them all > going on your previous use of the word doom, I would use it myself thusly: > PURE LSD transcribed into music > losing potency into the 80's and 90's by the obvious signs of the times and > the nature of the beast itself > I'm not hearing any Black Sabbath > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 20:33:10 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:33:10 -0500 Subject: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291711s136b4236wb880939a119dd54a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and if I look at songs like "mirror of illusion", "children of the sun", or say even "adjust me", I can see what you mean but I would use the term "acid haze" to me, the lyrics never pulled away the illuminating radiiant magic happening wherin the band is doing the most highly succesful job I've heard to yet of sending the acid right through the instruments, onto recording media and slamming into .....me ears...mind... having an uplifting effect if you trip HARD things get like that hehehe On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > when I just now try to think of how "doom" fits to my thinking, I can see > something like brainstorm "battling doom" > and winning, 37 years on and still taking prisoners > > > On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> >> On 4/29/09, Christian Mumford wrote: >>> >>> well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than >>> "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are both >>> SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon Codex >>> more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre >> >> >> >> That's because it is a Brock solo album "featuring" the others.......my >> favorite album cover of them all >> going on your previous use of the word doom, I would use it myself thusly: >> PURE LSD transcribed into music >> losing potency into the 80's and 90's by the obvious signs of the times >> and the nature of the beast itself >> I'm not hearing any Black Sabbath >> >> >> >> > > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Apr 29 21:02:32 2009 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:02:32 -0400 Subject: The Shield In-Reply-To: <0F1A30D891A94945ACE56D9815D54E821AE10CB5@suex07-mbx-09.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Speaking of The Shield. Season 1 thru 5 are available on DVD for $26.49 each here http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewcategory.htm?categoryId=492039&start=121&sortby=&count=#listtop From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Apr 29 23:24:08 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:24:08 -0400 Subject: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291733u61f1fba9mf48de45a2a097f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: a minute, you've been talking to yourself for 3 postings. (ha, ha). All worthwhile stuff. Mary P.S. My phones are dead, if you want to call feel free, I can talk on the landline. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm and if I look at songs like "mirror of illusion", "children of the sun", or say even "adjust me", I can see what you mean but I would use the term "acid haze" to me, the lyrics never pulled away the illuminating radiiant magic happening wherin the band is doing the most highly succesful job I've heard to yet of sending the acid right through the instruments, onto recording media and slamming into .....me ears...mind... having an uplifting effect if you trip HARD things get like that hehehe On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > when I just now try to think of how "doom" fits to my thinking, I can see > something like brainstorm "battling doom" > and winning, 37 years on and still taking prisoners > > > On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: >> >> >> On 4/29/09, Christian Mumford wrote: >>> >>> well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than >>> "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are both >>> SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon Codex >>> more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre >> >> >> >> That's because it is a Brock solo album "featuring" the others.......my >> favorite album cover of them all >> going on your previous use of the word doom, I would use it myself thusly: >> PURE LSD transcribed into music >> losing potency into the 80's and 90's by the obvious signs of the times >> and the nature of the beast itself >> I'm not hearing any Black Sabbath >> >> >> >> > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 02:17:59 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:17:59 -0500 Subject: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes I feel stupid as always, further contemplation reveals to me there indeed is acid gloomimess on the 1st 2 records, but it always lifeted my spirit regardless of content I was about to blame my emegency preparedness to freeze and shatter the bio-terror latest distraction with a concentrated stream of Hawkwind music but it seems all I had to do was think of that and it's already losing power in reality please forgive me I do not mean to overbear On 4/29/09, mary wrote: > > a minute, you've been talking to yourself for 3 postings. (ha, ha). All > worthwhile stuff. > > Mary > P.S. My phones are dead, if you want to call feel free, I can talk on the > landline. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:33 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW:(off for a minute) California Brainstorm > > > and if I look at songs like "mirror of illusion", "children of the sun", or > say even "adjust me", I can see what you mean but I would use the term > "acid > haze" > to me, the lyrics never pulled away the illuminating radiiant magic > happening wherin the band is doing the most highly succesful job I've heard > to yet of sending the acid right through the instruments, onto recording > media and slamming into .....me ears...mind... > having an uplifting effect > if you trip HARD things get like that > hehehe > > On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > > > > when I just now try to think of how "doom" fits to my thinking, I can see > > something like brainstorm "battling doom" > > and winning, 37 years on and still taking prisoners > > > > > > On 4/29/09, mike coleman wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 4/29/09, Christian Mumford wrote: > >>> > >>> well I think CYM/SA fit "more in" with Levitation & Xenon Codex than > >>> "Church" which sounds different from the 'regular' albums. CYM/SA are > both > >>> SF dystopian and futuristic doom laden things that fit in with Xenon > Codex > >>> more so than "CotBS" which is a wholly separate genre > >> > >> > >> > >> That's because it is a Brock solo album "featuring" the others.......my > >> favorite album cover of them all > >> going on your previous use of the word doom, I would use it myself > thusly: > >> PURE LSD transcribed into music > >> losing potency into the 80's and 90's by the obvious signs of the times > >> and the nature of the beast itself > >> I'm not hearing any Black Sabbath > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 06:41:45 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:41:45 +0100 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 06:45:02 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:45:02 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 06:45:42 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:45:42 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 06:48:28 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:48:28 +0100 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig Travelodge? In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Apr 30 06:59:08 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:59:08 +0200 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904291437h4a3a636ao35bc30032993bcbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Opps ! I did not care for this thread Where can I help ?? Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:38 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Lost Chronicles, still lost? So I just hit up what appears to be the latest Hawkwind Codex at Starfarer's site, thinking that it's been years since I'd checked... maybe there'd *finally* be an "L" version of Lost Chronicles. No such luck apparently. Probably my second-favorite Hawkwind instrumental, after Wind of Change, and no live version...? :-( Any good fan recorded ones? Bernhard? Mike? Steve From arjanh at DEHULST.NL Thu Apr 30 07:04:10 2009 From: arjanh at DEHULST.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:04:10 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <200904301045.n3UAjg2Y013187@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:45:42 +0100, M Holmes wrote > mike coleman writes: > > > I meant "sword of the east" > > hate it > > WHAT??? > > STONE the UNBELIEVER!!! Halal stones, please, Mike. Gr, Arjan H -------------------------------- Rock in the 70ies: substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 07:06:17 2009 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:06:17 +0100 Subject: BOC: the gross/sick Cope article..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I fully love this. It beats my review of same reissue into the dirt. 2009/4/29 Christian Mumford > HARDROCKSAMPLER > by Julian Cope > The Book of Seth > Blue ?yster Cult - Secret Treaties > > Blue ?yster Cult > Secret Treaties > Released 1974 on Columbia/Columbia-Legacy > Reviewed by The Seth Man, 24th June 2003ce > ?I think the Blue ?yster Cult is funny.? > -Ralf H?tter (in conversation with Lester Bangs; ?Kraftwerkfeature?, CREEM, > September 1975) > > > It?s crazy that one of the most unlikely candidates for comprehending > rib-tickling rock?n?roll on your feet, knees or both. > From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Thu Apr 30 07:16:11 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:16:11 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: A<200904301045.n3UAjg2Y013187@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll set my pet rock on 'im ! Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 30 April 2009 11:46 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm mike coleman writes: > I meant "sword of the east" > hate it WHAT??? STONE the UNBELIEVER!!! FoFP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither UBM Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation Worldwide Limited is registered in England and Wales, No.4226716. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 07:17:14 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:17:14 -0400 Subject: Choosing hotel for 40th anniversary gig Travelodge? In-Reply-To: <200904301048.n3UAmSHA013385@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:48 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Jill Strobridge writes: > >> That's exactly what's needed! ? Travelodge are basic but there's nothing >> hugely wrong with them > > HELLOOO??? Bar CLOSES at *ELEVEN* > > That's not like an amp that goes up to Eleven. LOL! That's right, Mike: Eyes On The Prize!! Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 07:22:56 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:22:56 -0400 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? In-Reply-To: <1LzTxV-2FHow40@fwd03.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:59 AM, bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Opps ! > > I did not care for this thread > > Where can I help ?? Well, there doesn't seem to be one single "official" (or even demi-official) release of a live version of Lost Chronicles. I figured if there were any good fan recorded ones, you'd be one of the people most likely to know of it. Do you? Thanks, Steve From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 07:31:07 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:07 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291349r6f72be70kee02361cbf76f53c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman wrote: > 1 more, sorry > I meant "sword of the east" > hate it > wastelands is better but still murky Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. Steve From Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM Thu Apr 30 07:44:15 2009 From: Chris.Warburton at UBMAVIATION.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:44:15 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: A<919e368d0904300431t1fcafc9bm9534757809f29226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The production on Xenon Codex has dated very badly. I think it was the esteemed Mr. Jarrett who very succinctly made the point about the horribly compressed drum sound that everybody used at that time. Mind you, I'm a bit of a purist: I don't think I've ever heard anything better recorded than the old Blue Notes done at Rudy van Gelder's place. Granted, it's probably impractical tor record HW albums direct to two-track with just a Blumlein pair suspended over the band! ;-{)> Chris Warburton -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Swann Sent: 30 April 2009 12:31 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman wrote: > 1 more, sorry > I meant "sword of the east" > hate it > wastelands is better but still murky Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. Steve This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact UBM Aviation on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, UBM Aviation and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither UBM Aviation nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. UBM Aviation may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. UBM Aviation Worldwide Limited is registered in England and Wales, No.4226716. Registered office: Ludgate House, 245 Blackfriars Road, London, SE1 9UY, UK and place of business at The OAG Building, Church Street, Dunstable, Beds LU5 4HB, UK From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 30 07:50:01 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:50:01 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <919e368d0904300431t1fcafc9bm9534757809f29226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2009, at 06:31, Steve Swann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman > wrote: >> 1 more, sorry >> I meant "sword of the east" >> hate it >> wastelands is better but still murky > > Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about > some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert > scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the > music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. Much of the production on XC seems a little on the "kitchen sink" side -- too much of everything, and it just gets a bit blurry, at least on my old CD. But I heard Bedouin do SotE several times, and it utterly rocked in that slightly more stripped-down, bass-riff-to- the-heart kind of setting. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 30 08:26:01 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:26:01 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0214CBDA@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2009, at 06:44, Chris Warburton wrote: > The production on Xenon Codex has dated very badly. I think it was > the > esteemed Mr. Jarrett who very succinctly made the point about the > horribly compressed drum sound that everybody used at that time. Many strange things happened in the '80s .... :) Well, I've no objection to a tad of gated reverb on the snare, but, no, I'm not sure the drum processing on XC did Danny Thompson Jr. any favours -- and there was lot of other processing slapped all over everything else that IMO kind of sapped some of the life and power away. > Mind you, I'm a bit of a purist: I don't think I've ever heard > anything > better recorded than the old Blue Notes done at Rudy van Gelder's > place. > Granted, it's probably impractical tor record HW albums direct to > two-track with just a Blumlein pair suspended over the band! ;-{)> I dunno! That technique might not turn out so much worse than some of the other approaches to studio recording they've used. :) I guess there were more than two mics in use for Space Ritual :) but they could do (and have done) worse than that. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Apr 30 08:46:42 2009 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iainferguson at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:46:42 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm - xenon codex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: was in stealth mode on this, but will add... Hopefully with the masters available to Cherry Red,?the frankly piss poor drum sound can be fixed, unless?the studio & someone made a daft decision?to?record the drums gated drums on to the 2" tape, rather than dry. Now no one would be that stupid would they...... but?as stated before it was the 80's? It would mean we'd get a remixed & remastered version of the album, but then I think those early 80's albums, Choose your masques onwards could do with the drums being remixed and remastered, the sound is just too dated.... Will be very interested to hear what has been done with chronicles of the black sword. ? iain -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:26 pm Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm On 30 Apr 2009, at 06:44, Chris Warburton wrote:? > The production on Xenon Codex has dated very badly. I think it was > the? > esteemed Mr. Jarrett who very succinctly made the point about the? > horribly compressed drum sound that everybody used at that time.? ? Many strange things happened in the '80s .... :)? ? Well, I've no objection to a tad of gated reverb on the snare, but, no, I'm not sure the drum processing on XC did Danny Thompson Jr. any favours -- and there was lot of other processing slapped all over everything else that IMO kind of sapped some of the life and power away.? ? > Mind you, I'm a bit of a purist: I don't think I've ever heard > anything? > better recorded than the old Blue Notes done at Rudy van Gelder's > place.? > Granted, it's probably impractical tor record HW albums direct to? > two-track with just a Blumlein pair suspended over the band! ;-{)>? ? I dunno! That technique might not turn out so much worse than some of the other approaches to studio recording they've used. :) I guess there were more than two mics in use for Space Ritual :) but they could do (and have done) worse than that. :)? ? Cheers,? Carl? ? --? Carl Edlund Anderson? http://www.carlaz.com/? From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Apr 30 08:51:54 2009 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:51:54 +0000 Subject: press article about upcoming concert w/ Mike Burro, Anton Roolaart & Astronaut Jones Message-ID: Greetings friends, On behalf of all the players, we hope to see some of you on May 8th..Here is a press article that was released yesterday about the show...peace, Mike http://www.prlog.org/10226785.html ps: the article mentions some of the previous players too! _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile2_042009 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 30 09:22:38 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:22:38 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm - xenon codex In-Reply-To: <8CB97A8D912C590-101C-591@WEBMAIL-DG07.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2009, at 07:46, iainferguson at AOL.COM wrote: > Hopefully with the masters available to Cherry Red,?the frankly > piss poor drum sound can be fixed I think one would need the multi-track tapes rather than the mixed album masters, but I do see what you mean. > It would mean we'd get a remixed & remastered version of the album, > but then I think those early 80's albums, Choose your masques > onwards could do with the drums being remixed and remastered, the > sound is just too dated.... Well, they are products of their time! :) I think it would be cool to produce a double-disc version, with the original and a modern remix. That might be considered obsessive (though since when has that been a _bad_ thing in terms of Hawkwind fandom? ;)), but I can think of similarly composed releases that have been done for other bands and albums ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 09:33:42 2009 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:33:42 +0100 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Steve Swann's message of Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 09:57:16 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:57:16 +0100 Subject: THE JURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, if he's edited out. you won't be able to hear his show-stopping comb-and-paper solo in Masters of Universe. it might be better if you were edited out haw haw haw haw haw haw Me -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU > On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >> >> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >> chinggg...thank you >> trev > > > Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I > am > now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some > change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous at > this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember > that he, in fact, ever did > I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with > you > edited out.... > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 09:58:48 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:58:48 +0100 Subject: THE JURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> <919e368d0904291057h56fac159o6d8829641a07a3d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh right, maybe the WHOLE WORLD should be edited out then sniff... t -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Swann" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:57 PM To: Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM, mike coleman > wrote: >> On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >>> >>> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >>> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that >>> he >>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>> chinggg...thank you >>> trev >> >> Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I >> am >> now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some >> change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous >> at >> this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember >> that he, in fact, ever did >> I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with >> you >> edited out.... > > Oh thank god - I thought it was the Furry of ICU, performed in their > Bunny suits: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MkVIe9xGc > > ;-) > > Steve > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Apr 30 10:04:25 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:04:25 -0400 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? Message-ID: There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely bootlegged "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. There are also a few live performances of it from about 1987, though I'd have to dredge out my old tapes to see which dates exactly. John Majka > Well, there doesn't seem to be one single "official" (or even > demi-official) release of a live version of Lost Chronicles. I > figured if there were any good fan recorded ones, you'd be one of the > people most likely to know of it. Do you? > Thanks, > Steve > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 30 10:16:42 2009 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:16:42 -0500 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? In-Reply-To: <004301c9c99c$9516cb70$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2009, at 09:04, John Majka wrote: > There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely > bootlegged "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. Huh, everyone except me, perhaps! ;) Sounds like a interesting listen, though. How different is the outtake material? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 10:30:01 2009 From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:30:01 -0700 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? Message-ID: "That everyone seems to have..." Hey, you're talking to someone who didn't get California Brainstorm until a couple weeks ago. I think this is the first I've even heard of the XC Outtakes. :) (So, is the stereo mixed Space Rock from London CD still a kollektible rarity or does everyone have that now, too?) Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Majka Date: Thursday, Apr 30, 2009 10:07 am Subject: Re: Lost Chronicles, still lost? To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely bootlegged "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. There are also a few live performances of it from about 1987, though I'd have to dredge out my old tapes to see which dates exactly. John Majka > Well, there doesn't seem to be one single "official" (or even demi-official) release of a live version of Lost Chronicles. I figured if there were any good fan recorded ones, you'd be one of the people most likely to know of it. Do you? Thanks, Steve From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Apr 30 11:03:52 2009 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:03:52 -0400 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? Message-ID: speaking of these xenon codex and choose your masques outtakes, does anyone have a copy that doesn't have the first 1/2 second or so of each song cut off? my copies originate from someone who obviously had really poor computer audio copying equipment, and consequently the very beginning of each tune is snipped. anyone? John Majka > On 30 Apr 2009, at 09:04, John Majka wrote: >> There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely >> bootlegged "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. > > > Huh, everyone except me, perhaps! ;) Sounds like a interesting listen, > though. How different is the outtake material? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Apr 30 11:35:44 2009 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:35:44 +0200 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? In-Reply-To: <004301c9c99c$9516cb70$6501a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: Hi folks I think John is talking about the HAWKWIND XENON CODEX DEMOS We have here: heads - mutation zone - pulse - lost chronicles - high tech city - good evening - neon skyline - arioch - black sword jam There are at least 3 CDs "available" which contain DEMO versions of well known songs They are from 1982 / 1985 and 1988 Their names are: - HAWKWIND XENON CODEX DEMOS - HAWKWIND FAHRENHEIT 451 (Rockfield demos & rehersals) - HAWKWIND GET ON DOWN An official release of LOST CHRONICLE you can find on: - Chaos DVD (Preston 03.12.86) There are many good quality versions of this song on unofficial live recordigs Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of John Majka Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:04 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Lost Chronicles, still lost? There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely bootlegged "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. There are also a few live performances of it from about 1987, though I'd have to dredge out my old tapes to see which dates exactly. John Majka > Well, there doesn't seem to be one single "official" (or even > demi-official) release of a live version of Lost Chronicles. I > figured if there were any good fan recorded ones, you'd be one of the > people most likely to know of it. Do you? > Thanks, > Steve > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 15:01:38 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:01:38 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <200904301333.n3UDXgjk029217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: morning Steve....I was still up when they began pelting me with rocks and garbage I do not hate anything Hawkwind, and in fact you may be correct about the production. The stereo I am now using actually sounds better than any previous , and I will pull it out and play it untill my brain grasps the concept of it being good Next, Star Cannibal is a song that I like, after it weirded me out too, but now Mike has me questioning those lyrics and I wonder if it MIGHT be from some story or what in the heck is it really referring to??? SoTE, to me just sounded musically "dreary", and "boring" yes it sounds mysterious, but I notice anything with Hawkwind that starts sounding too smooth or nice I tend to like less I will work on this problem On 4/30/09, M Holmes wrote: > > Steve Swann writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman > wrote: > > > 1 more, sorry > > > I meant "sword of the east" > > > hate it > > > wastelands is better but still murky > > > > Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about > > some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert > > scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the > > music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. > > GATHER UP THE FALLEN!!!!! > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Apr 30 16:00:33 2009 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (mary) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:00:33 -0400 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904301201s28262a64jfedfe70c526c803@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Concerning SOTE, The song works for me, both lyrically, and production wise. An opened mind is where it all starts, you're on the path. Lyrics are usually there for a reason. That's not to say a song can't be really enjoyed without knowing them. Something I could never get is the descriptions of videos, they don't seem to relate much to the music, based on what MTV vid.s people have described to me. I leave for my road trip in about 8 hours. My food is packed, for the ride, I have the ipod loaded, all I have to do is remember to pack all that. I guess if I leave the pack by the fridge, and my shoes at the computer where the ipod is attached, I won't forget anything. Yes, I do have the tickets, that was at the top of the list. I'll be back Tuesday. Oh, right, I nearly forgot to pack the Hawkwind shades, I had to remember where they were. Happy weekend, Mary. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm morning Steve....I was still up when they began pelting me with rocks and garbage I do not hate anything Hawkwind, and in fact you may be correct about the production. The stereo I am now using actually sounds better than any previous , and I will pull it out and play it untill my brain grasps the concept of it being good Next, Star Cannibal is a song that I like, after it weirded me out too, but now Mike has me questioning those lyrics and I wonder if it MIGHT be from some story or what in the heck is it really referring to??? SoTE, to me just sounded musically "dreary", and "boring" yes it sounds mysterious, but I notice anything with Hawkwind that starts sounding too smooth or nice I tend to like less I will work on this problem On 4/30/09, M Holmes wrote: > > Steve Swann writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman > wrote: > > > 1 more, sorry > > > I meant "sword of the east" > > > hate it > > > wastelands is better but still murky > > > > Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about > > some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert > > scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the > > music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. > > GATHER UP THE FALLEN!!!!! > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 16:10:44 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:10:44 +0100 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've had it reviewed (independently) it seems it's better than I thought. it's got a "parental advisory" label on it "Do you want some proper Hawkwind stuff?" asks the very excited promoter/MC - the enthusiastic crowd naturally yells in the affirmative and what do they get? A fucking rockin' blasting punkoid set with good quality sound and a magnificent vibe that'll press the ejection button on your armchair like James Bond's Aston Martin... this ain't Hawkwind, this is real high octane stuff - even Nik (so often a little long winded) gets carried along with the 'short fast and furious' mindset. Sids Song - for the late Mr Vicious (from Maximum Effect) has never sounded better - this is prime time Inner City Unit at their very very very best, just after the M.E. album had come out, and they never sounded better. No matter how much you loved the studio stuff they were always really a live band and it doesn't get liver than this - fantastic guitar from the god-like Judge Trev (predating melodic thrash metal by years), drums like you never heard before from Dino - Steve Took missed out big time when Nik grabbed these two off him! Dead Fred completes the line up, so it's a minimum crew giving - literally - Maximum Effect! A cursory nod to Rolf Harris (!) from Nik's comb n paper plus stylophone (on the obligatory Masters Of The Universe) in no way diminishes the all out rocking that went on this night... Dino on Space Invaders out-drums Philthy Animal Taylor and the all-biker audience is simply stunned into submission. No bullshit, this stands as an all time great live album, along with Kick Out The Jams, Live at Leeds, No Sleep 'til..... the tuinol 'n sulphate crowd of the time can't have know what hit 'em but YOU CAN! Buy this fantasic record and TURN IT UP!!!!!!!! Even yer grandma will wet her knickers and slide off her seat.... in a word - essential. In three words "The Dogs Bollox" - if you don't rush out and get this you must be criminally insane. Tim Rundall editor Uncle Harry's City Kids -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU > On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >> >> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >> chinggg...thank you >> trev > > > Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I > am > now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some > change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous at > this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember > that he, in fact, ever did > I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with > you > edited out.... > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 16:58:31 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:58:31 -0500 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no wait!!! before I even read this..... the results are in as you know, they left me godless, friendless and penniless to die I did not break alien forces stepped in and an agreement was reached, after more suffering than any man before me, and I started knowing things that have never been known and unlocking many mysteries, one of which is the language of the reality we live in... it arrived unblemished.....that means the Mayan calender simply resets in 2012 and that you are the holy anointed chosen one Since the UK is part of the ongoing attempt to force the United States out of it's greedy extraterrestrial and multi-dimensional secrets among other things, I will give the UK a second chance not to be absorbed into the United States since this country was in fact handed over to me and it will be forced to become as I will it to be regardless of anything else I will however, unfortunately have to kill the person who supplied the mailers since I warned your country about these previously CHANGE IS IMMINENT On 4/30/09, trev wrote: > > I've had it reviewed (independently) > it seems it's better than I thought. > it's got a "parental advisory" label on it > > "Do you want some proper Hawkwind stuff?" asks the very excited promoter/MC > - the enthusiastic crowd naturally yells in the affirmative and what do they > get? A fucking rockin' blasting punkoid set with good quality sound and a > magnificent vibe that'll press the ejection button on your armchair like > James Bond's Aston Martin... this ain't Hawkwind, this is real high octane > stuff - even Nik (so often a little long winded) gets carried along with the > 'short fast and furious' mindset. Sids Song - for the late Mr Vicious > (from Maximum Effect) has never sounded better - this is prime time Inner > City Unit at their very very very best, just after the M.E. album had come > out, and they never sounded better. No matter how much you loved the studio > stuff they were always really a live band and it doesn't get liver than this > - fantastic guitar from the god-like Judge Trev (predating melodic thrash > metal by years), drums like you never heard before from Dino - Steve Took > missed out big time when Nik grabbed these two off him! Dead Fred completes > the line up, so it's a minimum crew giving - literally - Maximum Effect! A > cursory nod to Rolf Harris (!) from Nik's comb n paper plus stylophone (on > the obligatory Masters Of The Universe) in no way diminishes the all out > rocking that went on this night... Dino on Space Invaders out-drums Philthy > Animal Taylor and the all-biker audience is simply stunned into submission. > No bullshit, this stands as an all time great live album, along with Kick > Out The Jams, Live at Leeds, No Sleep 'til..... the tuinol 'n sulphate crowd > of the time can't have know what hit 'em but YOU CAN! Buy this fantasic > record and TURN IT UP!!!!!!!! Even yer grandma will wet her knickers and > slide off her seat.... in a word - essential. In three words "The Dogs > Bollox" - if you don't rush out and get this you must be criminally insane. > > Tim Rundall editor Uncle Harry's City Kids > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM > To: > Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU > > On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >>> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>> chinggg...thank you >>> trev >>> >> >> >> Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I >> am >> now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some >> change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous at >> this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember >> that he, in fact, ever did >> I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with >> you >> edited out.... >> >> From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:06:00 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:06:00 -0500 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I read the lyrics (Mary), and while they are great that will not help the cause of a dreary boring song as I stated before, I will play it in a while where it will sound better than ever but you must understand I want to know what DOES NOT work for you in the Hawkwind music and I want to know who the BAD people are in the Hawkwind scene as this makes MUCH BETTER READING and keeps you honest or at least undiluted and non-polluted (grin) On 4/30/09, mary wrote: > > Concerning SOTE, The song works for me, both lyrically, and production > wise. > An opened mind is where it all starts, you're on the path. Lyrics are > usually there for a reason. That's not to say a song can't be really > enjoyed > without knowing them. Something I could never get is the descriptions of > videos, they don't seem to relate much to the music, based on what MTV > vid.s > people have described to me. > I leave for my road trip in about 8 hours. My food is packed, for the > ride, I have the ipod loaded, all I have to do is remember to pack all > that. I guess if I leave the pack by the fridge, and my shoes at the > computer where the ipod is attached, I won't forget anything. Yes, I do > have the tickets, that was at the top of the list. > I'll be back Tuesday. Oh, right, I nearly forgot to pack the Hawkwind > shades, I had to remember where they were. > > Happy weekend, > > Mary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mike coleman > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:02 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: California Brainstorm > > > morning Steve....I was still up when they began pelting me with rocks and > garbage > I do not hate anything Hawkwind, and in fact you may be correct about the > production. The stereo I am now using actually sounds better than any > previous , and I will pull it out and play it untill my brain grasps the > concept of it being good > Next, Star Cannibal is a song that I like, after it weirded me out too, but > now Mike has me questioning those lyrics and I wonder if it MIGHT be from > some story or what in the heck is it really referring to??? > SoTE, to me just sounded musically "dreary", and "boring" > yes it sounds mysterious, but I notice anything with Hawkwind that starts > sounding too smooth or nice I tend to like less > I will work on this problem > > > On 4/30/09, M Holmes wrote: > > > > Steve Swann writes: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman > > wrote: > > > > 1 more, sorry > > > > I meant "sword of the east" > > > > hate it > > > > wastelands is better but still murky > > > > > > Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about > > > some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert > > > scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the > > > music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. > > > > GATHER UP THE FALLEN!!!!! > > > > > > > > -- > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:30:41 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:30:41 -0500 Subject: HW sword of the east Message-ID: drums: pum-cha, pum-cha, pum-cha vocals: blah blah blah blah synths: nice effects in it, boring main tempo though horses: bad memory for me, horses ruined my life for not liking them as my parents if I want a horse, I'll let Dave's guitar do it on Magnu 75, or ever 3 or 4 erections in a night, right?? conclusion: haul it off before I maul it to death of course...it's Hawkwind, so it's better than ezra.....or hendrix From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:33:38 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:33:38 +0100 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> <17d80c610904301358n2615268eu41257a3fba46bebb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon Jarrett supplied the mailers. I have his address -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike coleman" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 PM To: Subject: Re: THE FURY OF ICU > no wait!!! > before I even read this..... > the results are in > as you know, they left me godless, friendless and penniless to die > I did not break > alien forces stepped in and an agreement was reached, after more suffering > than any man before me, and I started knowing things that have never been > known and unlocking many mysteries, one of which is the language of the > reality we live in... it arrived unblemished.....that means the Mayan > calender simply resets in 2012 and that you are the holy anointed chosen > one > Since the UK is part of the ongoing attempt to force the United States out > of it's greedy extraterrestrial and multi-dimensional secrets among other > things, I will give the UK a second chance not to be absorbed into the > United States since this country was in fact handed over to me and it will > be forced to become as I will it to be regardless of anything else > I will however, unfortunately have to kill the person who supplied the > mailers since I warned your country about these previously > CHANGE IS IMMINENT > > > On 4/30/09, trev wrote: >> >> I've had it reviewed (independently) >> it seems it's better than I thought. >> it's got a "parental advisory" label on it >> >> "Do you want some proper Hawkwind stuff?" asks the very excited >> promoter/MC >> - the enthusiastic crowd naturally yells in the affirmative and what do >> they >> get? A fucking rockin' blasting punkoid set with good quality sound and a >> magnificent vibe that'll press the ejection button on your armchair like >> James Bond's Aston Martin... this ain't Hawkwind, this is real high >> octane >> stuff - even Nik (so often a little long winded) gets carried along with >> the >> 'short fast and furious' mindset. Sids Song - for the late Mr Vicious >> (from Maximum Effect) has never sounded better - this is prime time Inner >> City Unit at their very very very best, just after the M.E. album had >> come >> out, and they never sounded better. No matter how much you loved the >> studio >> stuff they were always really a live band and it doesn't get liver than >> this >> - fantastic guitar from the god-like Judge Trev (predating melodic thrash >> metal by years), drums like you never heard before from Dino - Steve Took >> missed out big time when Nik grabbed these two off him! Dead Fred >> completes >> the line up, so it's a minimum crew giving - literally - Maximum Effect! >> A >> cursory nod to Rolf Harris (!) from Nik's comb n paper plus stylophone >> (on >> the obligatory Masters Of The Universe) in no way diminishes the all out >> rocking that went on this night... Dino on Space Invaders out-drums >> Philthy >> Animal Taylor and the all-biker audience is simply stunned into >> submission. >> No bullshit, this stands as an all time great live album, along with Kick >> Out The Jams, Live at Leeds, No Sleep 'til..... the tuinol 'n sulphate >> crowd >> of the time can't have know what hit 'em but YOU CAN! Buy this fantasic >> record and TURN IT UP!!!!!!!! Even yer grandma will wet her knickers and >> slide off her seat.... in a word - essential. In three words "The Dogs >> Bollox" - if you don't rush out and get this you must be criminally >> insane. >> >> Tim Rundall editor Uncle Harry's City Kids >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mike coleman" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU >> >> On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >>>> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >>>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that >>>> he >>>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>>> chinggg...thank you >>>> trev >>>> >>> >>> >>> Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I >>> am >>> now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some >>> change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous >>> at >>> this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer >>> remember >>> that he, in fact, ever did >>> I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with >>> you >>> edited out.... >>> >>> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:48:37 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok he's banned to real-time posting until further notice I'll email Steve about this now On 4/30/09, trev wrote: > > Jon Jarrett supplied the mailers. > > I have his address > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 PM > To: > Subject: Re: THE FURY OF ICU > > no wait!!! >> before I even read this..... >> the results are in >> as you know, they left me godless, friendless and penniless to die >> I did not break >> alien forces stepped in and an agreement was reached, after more suffering >> than any man before me, and I started knowing things that have never been >> known and unlocking many mysteries, one of which is the language of the >> reality we live in... it arrived unblemished.....that means the Mayan >> calender simply resets in 2012 and that you are the holy anointed chosen >> one >> Since the UK is part of the ongoing attempt to force the United States out >> of it's greedy extraterrestrial and multi-dimensional secrets among other >> things, I will give the UK a second chance not to be absorbed into the >> United States since this country was in fact handed over to me and it will >> be forced to become as I will it to be regardless of anything else >> I will however, unfortunately have to kill the person who supplied the >> mailers since I warned your country about these previously >> CHANGE IS IMMINENT >> >> >> On 4/30/09, trev wrote: >> >>> >>> I've had it reviewed (independently) >>> it seems it's better than I thought. >>> it's got a "parental advisory" label on it >>> >>> "Do you want some proper Hawkwind stuff?" asks the very excited >>> promoter/MC >>> - the enthusiastic crowd naturally yells in the affirmative and what do >>> they >>> get? A fucking rockin' blasting punkoid set with good quality sound and a >>> magnificent vibe that'll press the ejection button on your armchair like >>> James Bond's Aston Martin... this ain't Hawkwind, this is real high >>> octane >>> stuff - even Nik (so often a little long winded) gets carried along with >>> the >>> 'short fast and furious' mindset. Sids Song - for the late Mr Vicious >>> (from Maximum Effect) has never sounded better - this is prime time Inner >>> City Unit at their very very very best, just after the M.E. album had >>> come >>> out, and they never sounded better. No matter how much you loved the >>> studio >>> stuff they were always really a live band and it doesn't get liver than >>> this >>> - fantastic guitar from the god-like Judge Trev (predating melodic thrash >>> metal by years), drums like you never heard before from Dino - Steve Took >>> missed out big time when Nik grabbed these two off him! Dead Fred >>> completes >>> the line up, so it's a minimum crew giving - literally - Maximum Effect! >>> A >>> cursory nod to Rolf Harris (!) from Nik's comb n paper plus stylophone >>> (on >>> the obligatory Masters Of The Universe) in no way diminishes the all out >>> rocking that went on this night... Dino on Space Invaders out-drums >>> Philthy >>> Animal Taylor and the all-biker audience is simply stunned into >>> submission. >>> No bullshit, this stands as an all time great live album, along with Kick >>> Out The Jams, Live at Leeds, No Sleep 'til..... the tuinol 'n sulphate >>> crowd >>> of the time can't have know what hit 'em but YOU CAN! Buy this fantasic >>> record and TURN IT UP!!!!!!!! Even yer grandma will wet her knickers and >>> slide off her seat.... in a word - essential. In three words "The Dogs >>> Bollox" - if you don't rush out and get this you must be criminally >>> insane. >>> >>> Tim Rundall editor Uncle Harry's City Kids >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mike coleman" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU >>> >>> On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >>>>> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >>>>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that >>>>> he >>>>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>>>> chinggg...thank you >>>>> trev >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I >>>> am >>>> now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some >>>> change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous >>>> at >>>> this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer >>>> remember >>>> that he, in fact, ever did >>>> I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with >>>> you >>>> edited out.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >> From owen.01 at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:51:45 2009 From: owen.01 at GMAIL.COM (Owen O'Neill) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ah, nothing like bad sound quality for a good listen. Can you get a Paypal account or something? Trystero's defunct and I will only touch postage stamps on occasions like I need to send a letter to myself from Phil Collins c/o EMI Holdings stamped RECONDITE and "check enclosed" to abbreviate whichever the latest court proceedings re my meth labs' unnavoidable 3,000,000 cubic meter phosgene cloud "uh-oh!" events require proof of where I live, "armpit of Boston". On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:47 AM, trev wrote: > My favourite bootlegger, Chis Cambridge found an old ICU recording (desk > mix cassette) of a gig that ICU played in 1981. > We were furious at being requested to play Hawkwind songs by a drunken > Biker compere...so we didn't, apart from one. > It's got plenty of attitude and does feature Masters of the Universe with > Nik playing stylophone and comb-and-paper der ders on it. > recording quality is maybe 5 out of ten, but the attitude and delivery is > magnificent. > It will be on sale soon on Real Festival Music ?7.99 + p&p > It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play furiously on it and we were > actually furious at the time. > Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he > gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. > chinggg...thank you > > trev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "M Holmes" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:42 AM > To: > Subject: [mary: Re: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient] > > Mary Sez: >> >> Believe it or not, I can only get 9 of Wyndham's books. Are there any >>> others you particularly like. I love stories. >>> >> >> I'd go for the short stories written as Beynon. >> >> FoFP >> >> -- >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> >> -- .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, From royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 13:16:40 2009 From: royalistradio at HOTMAIL.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:16:40 +0200 Subject: HW: California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <200904301333.n3UDXgjk029217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: the desert scene with the horses is what i love about that song..... just when you think you are "stoned" enough.......! At least when I used to listen to that i'd always make sure i had my smoke........ > Steve Swann writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mike coleman wrote: > > > 1 more, sorry > > > I meant "sword of the east" > > > hate it > > > wastelands is better but still murky > > > > Do you hate the song, or the production? I have mixed feelings about > > some of the production on Xenon, but SotE has that wicked cool desert > > scene in the middle, that builds up to the horses going mad and the > > music blazing back in... everybody I've played it for loves that bit. > > GATHER UP THE FALLEN!!!!! > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _________________________________________________________________ Drag n? drop?Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live? Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 21:48:50 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 02:48:50 +0100 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <200904291042.n3TAgxmF012870@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------- From: "Owen O'Neill" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:51 PM To: Subject: Re: THE FURY OF ICU > ah, nothing like bad sound quality for a good listen. > Can you get a Paypal account or something? Trystero's defunct and I will > only touch postage stamps on occasions like I need to send a letter to > myself from Phil Collins c/o EMI Holdings stamped RECONDITE and "check > enclosed" to abbreviate whichever the latest court proceedings re my meth > labs' unnavoidable 3,000,000 cubic meter phosgene cloud "uh-oh!" events > require proof of where I live, "armpit of Boston". > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:47 AM, trev wrote: > >> My favourite bootlegger, Chis Cambridge found an old ICU recording (desk >> mix cassette) of a gig that ICU played in 1981. >> We were furious at being requested to play Hawkwind songs by a drunken >> Biker compere...so we didn't, apart from one. >> It's got plenty of attitude and does feature Masters of the Universe with >> Nik playing stylophone and comb-and-paper der ders on it. >> recording quality is maybe 5 out of ten, but the attitude and delivery is >> magnificent. >> It will be on sale soon on Real Festival Music ?7.99 + p&p >> It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play furiously on it and we were >> actually furious at the time. >> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >> chinggg...thank you >> >> trev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "M Holmes" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:42 AM >> To: >> Subject: [mary: Re: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient] >> >> Mary Sez: >>> >>> Believe it or not, I can only get 9 of Wyndham's books. Are there any >>>> others you particularly like. I love stories. >>>> >>> >>> I'd go for the short stories written as Beynon. >>> >>> FoFP >>> >>> -- >>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >>> >>> > > > -- > .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 21:56:08 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:56:08 -0500 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That means he has paypal but since he cannot work the computer, just paypal me instead insect.brain at gmail.com On 4/30/09, trev wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Owen O'Neill" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: THE FURY OF ICU > > ah, nothing like bad sound quality for a good listen. >> Can you get a Paypal account or something? Trystero's defunct and I will >> only touch postage stamps on occasions like I need to send a letter to >> myself from Phil Collins c/o EMI Holdings stamped RECONDITE and "check >> enclosed" to abbreviate whichever the latest court proceedings re my meth >> labs' unnavoidable 3,000,000 cubic meter phosgene cloud "uh-oh!" events >> require proof of where I live, "armpit of Boston". >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:47 AM, trev wrote: >> >> My favourite bootlegger, Chis Cambridge found an old ICU recording (desk >>> mix cassette) of a gig that ICU played in 1981. >>> We were furious at being requested to play Hawkwind songs by a drunken >>> Biker compere...so we didn't, apart from one. >>> It's got plenty of attitude and does feature Masters of the Universe with >>> Nik playing stylophone and comb-and-paper der ders on it. >>> recording quality is maybe 5 out of ten, but the attitude and delivery is >>> magnificent. >>> It will be on sale soon on Real Festival Music ?7.99 + p&p >>> It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play furiously on it and we were >>> actually furious at the time. >>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that he >>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>> chinggg...thank you >>> >>> trev >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "M Holmes" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:42 AM >>> To: >>> Subject: [mary: Re: Surprise move in UK Gini coefficient] >>> >>> Mary Sez: >>> >>>> >>>> Believe it or not, I can only get 9 of Wyndham's books. Are there any >>>> >>>>> others you particularly like. I love stories. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I'd go for the short stories written as Beynon. >>>> >>>> FoFP >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> .:.;:'?;???:;:,:;';,,';':;.:,:;:;',,':;.';:?;;';-,,`?, >> >> From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 21:57:09 2009 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 02:57:09 +0100 Subject: THE FURY OF ICU In-Reply-To: <17d80c610904291046k4b311ff2o5d115e8d3f0773ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes well, the sound is better than i thought i thought that space ritual naked was shit sound too, but no one else did this is because i am the perfect one...the son of god...yes that must be it...yes that's it when it's ready it will be available on real festival music cd shop there are naughty words on it that begin with f... coleman is already blackmailing me offline to get his hands on it REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival CD's, Festival Photo Reviews, Festival Listings, Video Downloads, News, Healers -------------------------------------------------- From: "trev" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:10 PM To: Subject: Re: THE FURY OF ICU > I've had it reviewed (independently) > it seems it's better than I thought. > it's got a "parental advisory" label on it review of the fury of icu > > "Do you want some proper Hawkwind stuff?" asks the very excited > promoter/MC - the enthusiastic crowd naturally yells in the affirmative > and what do they get? A fucking rockin' blasting punkoid set with good > quality sound and a magnificent vibe that'll press the ejection button on > your armchair like James Bond's Aston Martin... this ain't Hawkwind, this > is real high octane stuff - even Nik (so often a little long winded) gets > carried along with the 'short fast and furious' mindset. Sids Song - for > the late Mr Vicious (from Maximum Effect) has never sounded better - this > is prime time Inner City Unit at their very very very best, just after the > M.E. album had come out, and they never sounded better. No matter how > much you loved the studio stuff they were always really a live band and it > doesn't get liver than this - fantastic guitar from the god-like Judge > Trev (predating melodic thrash metal by years), drums like you never heard > before from Dino - Steve Took missed out big time when Nik grabbed these > two off him! Dead Fred completes the line up, so it's a minimum crew > giving - literally - Maximum Effect! A cursory nod to Rolf Harris (!) > from Nik's comb n paper plus stylophone (on the obligatory Masters Of The > Universe) in no way diminishes the all out rocking that went on this > night... Dino on Space Invaders out-drums Philthy Animal Taylor and the > all-biker audience is simply stunned into submission. No bullshit, this > stands as an all time great live album, along with Kick Out The Jams, Live > at Leeds, No Sleep 'til..... the tuinol 'n sulphate crowd of the time > can't have know what hit 'em but YOU CAN! Buy this fantasic record and > TURN IT UP!!!!!!!! Even yer grandma will wet her knickers and slide off > her seat.... in a word - essential. In three words "The Dogs Bollox" - if > you don't rush out and get this you must be criminally insane. > > Tim Rundall editor Uncle Harry's City Kids > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike coleman" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM > To: > Subject: Re: THE JURY OF ICU > >> On 4/29/09, trev wrote: >>> >>> (text disintegration) It's called the Fury of ICU, because we play >>> furiously on it and we were actually furious at the time. >>> Shall I number them? Then Hamburger Half-Whit Coleman will insist that >>> he >>> gets no.1 for nothing as usual...so I won't. >>> chinggg...thank you >>> trev >> >> >> Oh great it's not limited because I have never been too poor to eat as I >> am >> now, so TG I can wait until just whenever I happen to have some >> change.....further, having Nik playing alongside you seems disingenuous >> at >> this stage, after all I am sure the majority of us can no longer remember >> that he, in fact, ever did >> I think I will require 2 versions, one with Nik edited out, and one with >> you >> edited out.... >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 22:10:45 2009 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:10:45 -0500 Subject: Lost Chronicles, still lost? SRFLondon Message-ID: Steve and anyone Space Rock From London surely has to be a great collectible to this day, as those are bootleg CD's. Just yesterday I put in the official version to hear Born To Go, and while I heard unique things going on with Nik's sax, the annoying swishing made me eject it and reach for *Space London, *the second issue of the same thing Something I did not comment on at the time, but when Gary Shindler posted a link to Satarn records for a BOC release, I noticed thay had Space London for like $11.99 or cheap anyway I cannot recommend this enough, if you like the early HW like me further, if you know where to get Space Rock From London, mine were stolen and I need a replacement I think I heard that Space London was a tad better, does anybody know if one is better than the other??? On 4/30/09, Steve Swann wrote: > > "That everyone seems to have..." Hey, you're talking to someone who didn't > get California Brainstorm until a couple weeks ago. I think this is the > first I've even heard of the XC Outtakes. :) > > (So, is the stereo mixed Space Rock from London CD still a kollektible > rarity or does everyone have that now, too?) > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Majka > Date: Thursday, Apr 30, 2009 10:07 am > Subject: Re: Lost Chronicles, still lost? > To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > There's a nice alternate studio take of this song on the widely bootlegged > "Xenon Codex Outtakes" disc that everyone seems to have. There are also a > few live performances of it from about 1987, though I'd have to dredge out > my old tapes to see which dates exactly. > John Majka > > > Well, there doesn't seem to be one single "official" (or even > demi-official) release of a live version of Lost Chronicles. I > figured if there were any good fan recorded ones, you'd be one of the > people most likely to know of it. Do you? > Thanks, > Steve > >