From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jun 2 11:22:58 2008
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:22:58 +0000
Subject: gig reminder: OEBs in Trenton,
NJ this Wednesday night ( with Stewkey of NAZZ )
Message-ID: <MON.2.JUN.2008.152258.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
June 4th: Trenton New Jersey ( w/Stewkey of NAZZ )
06/04/2008 07:30 PM - Championship Bar & Grill
931 Chambers Street
Trenton, New Jersey 08611
US
Cost:$3.00
Description:Rare show in the capital city of New Jersey.
This
is going to a great one!! Beer specials include $1.50 PBR/cans $1
Rolling Rock Pints, $2 Miller Lite Bottles DURING ALL SHOWS!!!
Venue Phone number is: (609) 394-7437 or visit: www.myspace.com/championshipbar
Lineup at this time: Mike Burro & Stewkey
http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1
also SKOOKAPALOOZA Festival 6/27-6/29
June 28th: Skookapalooza Music Festival: Schuylkill County Pennsylvania
see: http://www.myspace.com/skookapalooza
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From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Jun 2 14:24:24 2008
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:24:24 -0400
Subject: OFF: Bo Diddley: RIP.
Message-ID: <MON.2.JUN.2008.142424.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
If you haven't seen the word yet, Bo Diddley passed away over the weekend.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3753553.stm
J.
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Jun 3 13:56:23 2008
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:56:23 +0000
Subject: classic rock legend 'Stewkey' to appear in Chambersburg section
of Trenton this Wednesday night
Message-ID: <TUE.3.JUN.2008.175623.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:55:40 +0000
Wednesday night will bring the classic rock vocalist 'Stewkey' of the legendary band NAZZ.Nazz was formed in 1967 by Stewkey and guitarist Todd Rundgren, along with Carson Van Olsten ( bass) andTom Mooney ( drums ). For a time the band garnered a significant amount of media attention and airplay. With the release of the first LP for Columbia, Screen Gems, they scored with two minor hits 'Hello it's Me' and the psychedelic 'nugget', 'Open my Eyes'. For all intents and purposes NAZZ, by 1969 had disintegrated. After three LPs, opening for The Doors in Philadelphia, flying to England for recording sessions, and performing at major rock and pop festivals throughout the U.S., Rundgren's departure, struck the final blow.Fast forward to the year 2000, and NAZZ became the proverbial phoenix rising from the ashes.Stewkey had the idea of bringing NAZZ back, and doing it where it had all begun so long before, on the mean streets of Philadelphia. He formed a new lineup of crack Philly players, began writing new material, and of course revving up the classic stuff. Nazz featuring Stewkey is back and very viable, logging shows at prestigious venues like BB King's in New York City, and The Sellersville Theater,in Pennsylvania. They have also found friendship and camaraderie in the likes of fellow classic rockers Vince Martell of Vanilla Fudge, Corky Laing ( Mountain ), and many others.Stewkey's appearance Wednesday night will bring him to the city's Chambersburg section for a rare Capital concert. He will be singing along with Mike Burro of The One Eyed Bishops, and the two will be performing a mix of blues, roots and rock. This is one not to miss..See the information below for venue and location information.6/04/2008 07:30 PM - Championship Bar & Grill 931 Chambers Street Trenton, New Jersey 08611 US Cost:$3.00 Description:Rare show in the capital city of New Jersey. This is going to a great one!! Beer specials include $1.50 PBR/cans $1 Rolling Rock Pints, $2 Miller Lite Bottles DURING ALL SHOWS!!! Venue Phone number is: (609) 394-7437 or visit: www.myspace.com/championshipbar Lineup at this time: Mike Burro & Stewkey http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1
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From dave at ASSASSINSOFSILENCE.COM Thu Jun 5 13:24:51 2008
From: dave at ASSASSINSOFSILENCE.COM (David Adams)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:24:51 +0100
Subject: On Sunday Space rock this week
Message-ID: <THU.5.JUN.2008.182451.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
A real barn storming rocker of a show this week with music from:
Hoaxwind, Osiris the Rebirth, Chroma Key, Flying Saucer Attack, Gong, Orange Goblin, Magma and so much more.
So be sure to tune in on Sunday from 8pm UK time on www.banburymusicradio.com
From visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM Thu Jun 5 20:28:56 2008
From: visionaryhead at DORAMAIL.COM (Visionary Head)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:28:56 +0800
Subject: War of the Worlds (revisited) - music by HW?
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.082856.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've been told that on a P2P network there's something called War of the Worlds (revisited) which claims to have music by HW
I thought it was a stage play and that HW WERE going to do the music but both got cancelled, well, at least the non-music aspect did
Anyone have any info? Is there music (soundtrack?) by HW "out there"?
VH
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 5 21:21:11 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:21:11 -0500
Subject: War of the Worlds (revisited) - music by HW?
In-Reply-To: <20080606002857.1FF1D7BD68@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <THU.5.JUN.2008.202111.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
well, we've heard of scrapped soundtracks more than once now, so I just
think of (much of their) their music in respect to stuff like this:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/meaningoflifebigpicture
On 6/5/08, Visionary Head <visionaryhead at doramail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been told that on a P2P network there's something called War of the
> Worlds (revisited) which claims to have music by HW
>
> I thought it was a stage play and that HW WERE going to do the music but
> both got cancelled, well, at least the non-music aspect did
>
> Anyone have any info? Is there music (soundtrack?) by HW "out there"?
>
> VH
>
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From jonathan at ATT.NET Fri Jun 6 15:08:39 2008
From: jonathan at ATT.NET (Jonathan Clark)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:08:39 -0400
Subject: On Sunday Space rock this week
In-Reply-To: <BOC-L%200806060500062197.03DA@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.150839.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
David Adams <dave at ASSASSINSOFSILENCE.COM> wrote:
> So be sure to tune in on Sunday from 8pm UK time on
> www.banburymusicradio.com
Maybe it's just me, but I haven't succeeded in listening to the show
since you moved studios. Neither iTunes nor Real can connect to the
service (on http://67.159.28.236:9000). Not even the 'Listen Live'
link on the station's home page just times out. Can anyone offer any
advice? I am in the US so perhaps there's some block in place somewhere?
Jonathan
From youless at COX.NET Mon Jun 9 00:24:28 2008
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:24:28 -0400
Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.002428.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Taking Jon's questions in reverse order...
I just A/B listened to the version on the Welcome To The Future comp, which
the Codex accounts as 1L, along with that found on 'Silver Machine' (Hallmark
compilation) which is claimed to be 1aL.
They may well be different mixes. The WTTF version has a much hotter audio
signal so I was hearing more detail as a result, but I am sure both of these are
from the same performance, because of the melodies played on the wibbly
keyboard parts that sound rather flute-like. However the 1aL version fades
out on Brock's vocals where the one on WTTF continues on (and on)
eventually getting to some Bob Calvert ranting. In that sense, the oft-
compiled version 1aL is definitely cut by comparison with WTTF's 1L.
(I wonder if the hotter signal on 1L indicates it's a desk recording, with the
dingier-sounding 1aL being an audience recording? That would certainly be
consistent with apparently different mixes...)
Re: Cake Out or Hash Cake '77 as it is often called... Although WTTF's sleeve
notes claim this is from Stonehenge 77, I have an audience recording of that
performance and it's not included. As with 'Slap It On Der Table' and
Watchfield, I think it has become erroneously associated with a particular free
festival because it first saw light of day on the old "Hawkwind Live at
Stonehenge and Watchfield" vinyl bootleg album.
Both sound like rehearsal room / recording studio jams to me. FWIW.
Steve
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:24:12 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett
<jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK> wrote:
> Dear All,
> a little while ago I picked up a 2CD comp called this,
>because it united a load of Weird Tapes and extra material I'd never
>managed to pick up. I see that the Codex knows of it, but for others
>I'll just say that it has the Watchfield Festival triplet, most of the
>set from _Atomhenge 76_ (lacking only `Uncle Sam's on Mars' and `Time
>for Sale', which is just as well I suppose because otherwise I'd have a
>redundant CD), and on disc 2 the Stonehenge 1977 and Sonic Assassins
>sets. Several of these things I'd never heard before, and so I wondered
>if people could answer what may be some pretty basic questions.
>
> Firstly, what on earth is `Slap It On The Table'? It's not a
>live track at all, is it? How did it get lumped with the Watchfield
>stuff?
>
> Secondly, is `Cake Out' genuinely part of the Stonehenge set? It
>doesn't sound like the same mix to me but it's hard to be sure, and of
>course it might not be the same mix and still be from the same original
>tape.
>
> Thirdly, how on earth did the original, as I assume this is,
>recording of the Sonic Assassins `Angels of Life', codex # 1L, get
>turned into the one we know from infinite comps, codex ' 1aL? The codex
>says the latter is a cut, but it's more than that surely, the guitar and
>keyboard balance is quite different in the `Angels' section, and some of
>the vocals are too; is this is just editing? Wow. And who bothered, and
>why?
>
> I suppose the answers to these may not be known, but equally
>maybe they are and I just always missed them before because of not
>having heard the right bits... Grateful for any answers, yours,
>
Jon
>
>
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From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Jun 9 05:05:31 2008
From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller))
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:05:31 +0200
Subject: BOC: Sweden Rock 2008
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.110531.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hej
Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
(new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
www.swedenrock.com
Great festival.. highly recommended.
scott
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 9 08:19:30 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:19:30 -0500
Subject: BOC: Sweden Rock 2008
In-Reply-To: <A8ACA77F579D3649888842D129E253E405059271@EXDKBA021.corp.novocorp.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.071930.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Triumph......was only noteworthy to me for the first RnR machine
album,,,,,which was being advertised on television showing all the flames
and such...so an impressionable little 13 year old on dope just couldn't
resisit....
the blew me OUT OF MY CHAIR (onto the floor) hahaha......never forget the
bombs being strobed from underneath as they mushroomed up......
let's.see,,,that show was with the Godz opening....1978......
On 6/9/08, SHLL (Scott Heller) <shll at hagedorn.dk> wrote:
>
> Hej
>
> Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
> Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
> Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
> (new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
> Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
> Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
> They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
> bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
> was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
>
> www.swedenrock.com
>
> Great festival.. highly recommended.
>
> scott
>
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jun 9 09:52:57 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:52:57 -0700
Subject: BOC: Sweden Rock 2008
In-Reply-To: <A8ACA77F579D3649888842D129E253E405059271@EXDKBA021.corp.novocorp.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.065257.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Did they sing the Queen songs, what were they, etc.? More info. BOC's playing here in KC later this month.
"SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at HAGEDORN.DK> wrote:
Hej
Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
(new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
www.swedenrock.com
Great festival.. highly recommended.
scott
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Jun 9 12:45:06 2008
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:45:06 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <667996.10337.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.124506.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=162213
The link above points to a really nice (and knowledgeable, likely due to
the BOCFAQ) appraisal of the reissued Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
the disc, was this disc remastered in any way? That would be the only
reason i'd buy it --- nothing like blasing Seige n' Magna of Illusion on a
summer's drive.
J.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:52:57 -0700, gary shindler <bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
> Did they sing the Queen songs, what were they, etc.? More info. BOC's
> playing here in KC later this month.
>
>
> "SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at HAGEDORN.DK> wrote:
> Hej
>
> Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
> Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
> Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
> (new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
> Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
> Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
> They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
> bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
> was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
>
> www.swedenrock.com
>
> Great festival.. highly recommended.
>
> scott
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jun 9 13:04:05 2008
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:04:05 +0000
Subject: OEBs turn up on 'Chinese Rare Video' website
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.170405.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I thought this was rather suprising..The OEB video for 'Waiting for the Man' seems ot have ended up on Chinemaking.com check it out at: http://v.chinesemaking.com/oebs/
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From andreas.stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jun 9 13:22:00 2008
From: andreas.stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (andreas.stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:22:00 GMT
Subject: BOC: Sweden Rock 2008
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.172200.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at HAGEDORN.DK> schrieb:
> Hej
>
> Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
> Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
> Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
> (new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
> Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
> Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
> They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
> bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
> was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
>
> www.swedenrock.com
>
> Great festival.. highly recommended.
>
> scott
>
Hi Scott!
I saw B?C last Friday in Zoetermeer. Fantastic 2 hour show. They didn?t
do
Before the kiss, the Red & the Black and Harvest moon. But they played
the
other songs you mentioned. + the Vigil (!), Flaming Telepaths, Golden
Age
of Leather, Shooting shark and See you in black. They also did snippets
of
Another one bites the dust (with vocals) + Bohemian Rhapsody (just
instrumental), cos Danny Miranda will
be
playing with Paul Rodgers and Queen soon. Brilliant gig, lots of fun!
Andreas
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jun 9 15:45:01 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:45:01 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <f3d26d8ff84395e325f4e6798c18f434@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.124501.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Didn't know this had been reissued. Any comments, Albert?
js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=162213
The link above points to a really nice (and knowledgeable, likely due to
the BOCFAQ) appraisal of the reissued Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
the disc, was this disc remastered in any way? That would be the only
reason i'd buy it --- nothing like blasing Seige n' Magna of Illusion on a
summer's drive.
J.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:52:57 -0700, gary shindler
wrote:
> Did they sing the Queen songs, what were they, etc.? More info. BOC's
> playing here in KC later this month.
>
>
> "SHLL (Scott Heller)" wrote:
> Hej
>
> Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
> Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
> Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
> (new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
> Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade, Cities on
> Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in order.
> They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during the
> bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs later
> was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
>
> www.swedenrock.com
>
> Great festival.. highly recommended.
>
> scott
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jun 9 17:44:28 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:44:28 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <f3d26d8ff84395e325f4e6798c18f434@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.164428.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 09 Jun 2008, at 11:45 , js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote:
> Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
> the disc, was this disc remastered in any way?
I think I remember this being discussed on this list some while back,
and my memory is that the answer is "no" (which is a shame -- some
remastering wouldn't hurt, I think).
Cheers,
Carl
--
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http://www.carlaz.com/
From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Mon Jun 9 19:40:00 2008
From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (starrywisdom)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:40:00 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <99CE1DA8-6CD6-4730-B5F2-D96095E6BF7E@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.194000.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I wish Rhino handmade would do the deluxe treatment.
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 09 Jun 2008, at 11:45 , js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote:
>> Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
>> the disc, was this disc remastered in any way?
>
>
> I think I remember this being discussed on this list some while back,
> and my memory is that the answer is "no" (which is a shame -- some
> remastering wouldn't hurt, I think).
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 9 20:35:00 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:35:00 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <484DBF50.7090607@emulsionalchemy.org>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.193500.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
while on a google of starrywisdom seeing what I could take away from the
unfathomable, namely the unthinkable idea that I could possibly abbreviate
FoFP to FoB??, I looked up and followed the inner voice to this.....
http://www.americanroyalarts.com/shopping_cart.php?product=7784&view&searchstring&cat=2
hope I'm not spamming, it just looked connected to the thread, artistically
On 6/9/08, starrywisdom <starrywisdom at emulsionalchemy.org> wrote:
>
> I wish Rhino handmade would do the deluxe treatment.
>
>
>
>
> Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>
>> On 09 Jun 2008, at 11:45 , js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote:
>>
>>> Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
>>> the disc, was this disc remastered in any way?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think I remember this being discussed on this list some while back, and
>> my memory is that the answer is "no" (which is a shame -- some remastering
>> wouldn't hurt, I think).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Edlund Anderson
>> http://www.carlaz.com/
>>
>>
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 10 08:03:48 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:03:48 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.050348.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
If I recall correctly, Al's take from years ago is that remastering wouldn't do much good because Sandy wore out the *original* tapes with his massive amounts of remixing. So there's nothing better to go back to.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
Date: Monday, Jun 9, 2008 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
On 09 Jun 2008, at 11:45 , js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote:
>> Imaginos. For anyone who has bought
>> the disc, was this disc remastered in any way?
>
>
>I think I remember this being discussed on this list some while back,
>and my memory is that the answer is "no" (which is a shame -- some
>remastering wouldn't hurt, I think).
>
>Cheers,
>Carl
>
>--
>Carl Edlund Anderson
>http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From albert at CELLSUM.COM Tue Jun 10 08:39:31 2008
From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (albert bouchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:39:31 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <494614.70168.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.083931.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
While I'm glad that it is available for people to buy, I am
disappointed that #1 I wasn't involved and #2 they didn't do anything
to it, no bonus tracks, no remastering, no publicity, nothing.
:-(
On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:45 PM, gary shindler wrote:
> Didn't know this had been reissued. Any comments, Albert?
>
> js3619 at ACMENET.NET wrote: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=162213
>
> The link above points to a really nice (and knowledgeable, likely
> due to
> the BOCFAQ) appraisal of the reissued Imaginos. For anyone who has
> bought
> the disc, was this disc remastered in any way? That would be the only
> reason i'd buy it --- nothing like blasing Seige n' Magna of
> Illusion on a
> summer's drive.
>
> J.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:52:57 -0700, gary shindler
> wrote:
>> Did they sing the Queen songs, what were they, etc.? More info. BOC's
>> playing here in KC later this month.
>>
>>
>> "SHLL (Scott Heller)" wrote:
>> Hej
>>
>> Saw BOC for the first time in 10 years on Saturday at the Sweden Rock
>> Festival. That was great. A really nice set list: A Kiss before the
>> Redcap, Agents of Fortune, ME262, Harvester of Eyes, Last days of may
>> (new guitarist-keyboard player did the first solo), Bucks Boogie,
>> Godzilla, Reaper, Burning for you, Harvest moon, Black Blade,
>> Cities on
>> Flame,and they opened with the Red and the Black. That was not in
>> order.
>> They also did a small strange 2 song medley of queen things during
>> the
>> bass solo of godzilla. Fun show. Crowd was into it as well. 2hrs
>> later
>> was a reunited Triumph! I had not seen them in 27 years!
>>
>> www.swedenrock.com
>>
>> Great festival.. highly recommended.
>>
>> scott
>
>
>
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jun 10 09:30:23 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:30:23 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <F6E9AE67-30DF-474E-8B1E-7B8CC9664CD5@cellsum.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.083023.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 10 Jun 2008, at 07:39 , albert bouchard wrote:
> While I'm glad that it is available for people to buy, I am
> disappointed that #1 I wasn't involved and #2 they didn't do
> anything to it, no bonus tracks, no remastering, no publicity,
> nothing.
> :-(
As as listener, I'm especially upset about #2 (mmm, yeah, where's
Rhino Handmade when you need them!?), but #1 is a bummer too!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 10 10:09:05 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:09:05 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <8F8140ED-65AD-471A-8237-77DC989DE89F@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.070905.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be real hard to see that flying. Of course enough people writing in kept "Jericho" on television. It may not be impossible.
Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 07:39 , albert bouchard wrote:
> While I'm glad that it is available for people to buy, I am
> disappointed that #1 I wasn't involved and #2 they didn't do
> anything to it, no bonus tracks, no remastering, no publicity,
> nothing.
> :-(
As as listener, I'm especially upset about #2 (mmm, yeah, where's
Rhino Handmade when you need them!?), but #1 is a bummer too!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jun 10 10:47:38 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:47:38 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <438756.86760.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.094738.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 10 Jun 2008, at 09:09 , gary shindler wrote:
> Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were
> contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to
> Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on
> Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be
> real hard to see that flying.
Hmm, good point. I knew Rhino had a lot of Warners stuff, but I
hadn't made the connection to that stable of labels.
Still, even if Sandy mixed the original tapes half to death, I can't
help but think some judicious re-EQing of the stereo master would
help somewhat. And we know the bonus material is out there ... :)
IMO, the "Imaginos mythos" material stands behind most of the most
compelling work from the Wide World o' BOC, and it's a crime against
culture that the _Imaginos_ album itself languishes in semi-birthed
obscurity.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 10 12:13:18 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:13:18 -0500
Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%200806090024285360.005A@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.111318.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
thanks for doing that Steve, I just played the second disc, where curiously
my hex on the last track is gone....Jon did you cause this??? so anyway, my
take is this: FWIW .....there is sneaky things in them hills.....the Angels
Of Life is so freekin' awesome that if this version in it's exactness (as
found here) isn't to be had elsewhere then the virtual wallets must come
out.......
On 6/8/08, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Taking Jon's questions in reverse order...
>
> I just A/B listened to the version on the Welcome To The Future comp, which
> the Codex accounts as 1L, along with that found on 'Silver Machine'
> (Hallmark
> compilation) which is claimed to be 1aL.
>
> They may well be different mixes. The WTTF version has a much hotter audio
> signal so I was hearing more detail as a result, but I am sure both of
> these are
> from the same performance, because of the melodies played on the wibbly
> keyboard parts that sound rather flute-like. However the 1aL version fades
> out on Brock's vocals where the one on WTTF continues on (and on)
> eventually getting to some Bob Calvert ranting. In that sense, the oft-
> compiled version 1aL is definitely cut by comparison with WTTF's 1L.
>
> (I wonder if the hotter signal on 1L indicates it's a desk recording, with
> the
> dingier-sounding 1aL being an audience recording? That would certainly be
> consistent with apparently different mixes...)
>
> Re: Cake Out or Hash Cake '77 as it is often called... Although WTTF's
> sleeve
> notes claim this is from Stonehenge 77, I have an audience recording of
> that
> performance and it's not included. As with 'Slap It On Der Table' and
> Watchfield, I think it has become erroneously associated with a particular
> free
> festival because it first saw light of day on the old "Hawkwind Live at
> Stonehenge and Watchfield" vinyl bootleg album.
>
> Both sound like rehearsal room / recording studio jams to me. FWIW.
>
> Steve
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:24:12 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett
> <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> > a little while ago I picked up a 2CD comp called this,
> >because it united a load of Weird Tapes and extra material I'd never
> >managed to pick up. I see that the Codex knows of it, but for others
> >I'll just say that it has the Watchfield Festival triplet, most of the
> >set from _Atomhenge 76_ (lacking only `Uncle Sam's on Mars' and `Time
> >for Sale', which is just as well I suppose because otherwise I'd have a
> >redundant CD), and on disc 2 the Stonehenge 1977 and Sonic Assassins
> >sets. Several of these things I'd never heard before, and so I wondered
> >if people could answer what may be some pretty basic questions.
> >
> > Firstly, what on earth is `Slap It On The Table'? It's not a
> >live track at all, is it? How did it get lumped with the Watchfield
> >stuff?
> >
> > Secondly, is `Cake Out' genuinely part of the Stonehenge set? It
> >doesn't sound like the same mix to me but it's hard to be sure, and of
> >course it might not be the same mix and still be from the same original
> >tape.
> >
> > Thirdly, how on earth did the original, as I assume this is,
> >recording of the Sonic Assassins `Angels of Life', codex # 1L, get
> >turned into the one we know from infinite comps, codex ' 1aL? The codex
> >says the latter is a cut, but it's more than that surely, the guitar and
> >keyboard balance is quite different in the `Angels' section, and some of
> >the vocals are too; is this is just editing? Wow. And who bothered, and
> >why?
> >
> > I suppose the answers to these may not be known, but equally
> >maybe they are and I just always missed them before because of not
> >having heard the right bits... Grateful for any answers, yours,
> >
> Jon
> >
> >
> >ObCD: Love - _Comes in Colours_
> >--
> >"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 10 12:59:52 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:59:52 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <C90CDB21-F6CE-451A-A5A7-18D7A27CA9F0@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.095952.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I doubt Dharma, Bloom, etc. are interested in revisiting the CD and Albert's doing his own thing econo-style. I don't think BOC even have a recording contract at the moment. I doubt there'll be a "Revolution by Night" reissue (which probably sold more) so it would really be a fringe release to bring out "Imaginos." Post "Fire of Unknown Origin" I don't see much demand in the catalogue. Maybe an "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch. I know there's fans like us who would devour it but are there enough of us to matter?
I think Pearlman's moved on from BOC.
Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 09:09 , gary shindler wrote:
> Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were
> contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to
> Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on
> Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be
> real hard to see that flying.
Hmm, good point. I knew Rhino had a lot of Warners stuff, but I
hadn't made the connection to that stable of labels.
Still, even if Sandy mixed the original tapes half to death, I can't
help but think some judicious re-EQing of the stereo master would
help somewhat. And we know the bonus material is out there ... :)
IMO, the "Imaginos mythos" material stands behind most of the most
compelling work from the Wide World o' BOC, and it's a crime against
culture that the _Imaginos_ album itself languishes in semi-birthed
obscurity.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 10 13:30:57 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:30:57 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.103057.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yeah, my god, a "full" Imaginos re-release. Gil Blanco County!
Argh, the untapped possibilities are enough to make your head explode.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
Date: Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
On 10 Jun 2008, at 09:09 , gary shindler wrote:
>> Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were
>> contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to
>> Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on
>> Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be
>> real hard to see that flying.
>
>
>
>Hmm, good point. I knew Rhino had a lot of Warners stuff, but I
>hadn't made the connection to that stable of labels.
>
>Still, even if Sandy mixed the original tapes half to death, I can't
>help but think some judicious re-EQing of the stereo master would
>help somewhat. And we know the bonus material is out there ... :)
>
>IMO, the "Imaginos mythos" material stands behind most of the most
>compelling work from the Wide World o' BOC, and it's a crime against
>culture that the _Imaginos_ album itself languishes in semi-birthed
>obscurity.
>
>Cheers,
>Carl
>
>--
>Carl Edlund Anderson
>http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jun 10 14:38:02 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:38:02 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <600805.83349.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.133802.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:59 , gary shindler wrote:
> Maybe an "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch.
Actually, I think this _was_ reissued this years or last in the UK
(though without re-mastering or extra tracks or anything).
I agree that Imaginos is probably too much of a "cult classic" to
create a powerful business case for its restoration and elevation --
though I shall hold out that hope on the grounds that it is just such
cult classics that sometimes do eventually get special treatment. :)
Right, I have to go away and listen to it all again now ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Tue Jun 10 16:42:01 2008
From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:42:01 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <4EFA8523-19CA-4D03-9614-97A06FB90BBB@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.164201.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Am I correct in remembering that when the first 4 BOC albums were
reissued and remastered and bonus tracked that Albert, you had mentioned
the funds for that came out of band members pockets? If so, I would
think that the lament for Imaginos is the same for near all of the BOC
albums; which leads to the question: Is it worth it from a financial
perspective?
Of course if another publishing house was able to secure the rights to
it and put their own funds into re-mastering, etc. then that would
probably be everyones wet dream! Of course that would probably also
remove the artists from the equation...
--Eric
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:59 , gary shindler wrote:
>> Maybe an "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch.
>
>
> Actually, I think this _was_ reissued this years or last in the UK
> (though without re-mastering or extra tracks or anything).
>
> I agree that Imaginos is probably too much of a "cult classic" to
> create a powerful business case for its restoration and elevation --
> though I shall hold out that hope on the grounds that it is just such
> cult classics that sometimes do eventually get special treatment. :)
>
> Right, I have to go away and listen to it all again now ....
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From asg at MVDBASE.COM Tue Jun 10 17:32:44 2008
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:32:44 +0200
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.233244.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hello all,
Well it looks like I've been off the list for quite some time. I'd more or
less noticed it but hadn't had time to take care of it until last night. I'm
guessing there were bounces involved :-(
Anyway, I'm back!
So... what did I miss? Any news of a new studio album from the Oyster folks?
(one can always hope, right?)
Alex.
--
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From tim at KALYR.COM Tue Jun 10 17:59:05 2008
From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:59:05 +0100
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <200806102332.47002.asg@mvdbase.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.225905.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Alex S. Garcia wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well it looks like I've been off the list for quite some time. I'd more or
> less noticed it but hadn't had time to take care of it until last night. I'm
> guessing there were bounces involved :-(
>
> Anyway, I'm back!
>
> So... what did I miss? Any news of a new studio album from the Oyster folks?
> (one can always hope, right?)
>
>
We've got a UK tour underway. Not sure what part of the world you're
from, if you're British the tour has already started - I'm seeing them
at Manchester on Sunday, unfortunately can't make any other dates.
And Imaginos has been reissued on CD.
That's about it.
-- Tim
http://www.kalyr.com/weblog
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 10 20:00:23 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:00:23 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <484EE719.1090608@efalkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.170023.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Earlier I mentioned that BOC's catalogue through "Imaginos" was on Columbia/CBS/Sony. I forgot that "Club Ninja" was rereleased on Koch.
The artists have to pay for remastered/reissued CDs? That's whack. In that case it should be a RhinoHandmade like issue where the artists don't have to eat the unsold copies.
E F <des at EFALKMEDIA.COM> wrote: Am I correct in remembering that when the first 4 BOC albums were
reissued and remastered and bonus tracked that Albert, you had mentioned
the funds for that came out of band members pockets? If so, I would
think that the lament for Imaginos is the same for near all of the BOC
albums; which leads to the question: Is it worth it from a financial
perspective?
Of course if another publishing house was able to secure the rights to
it and put their own funds into re-mastering, etc. then that would
probably be everyones wet dream! Of course that would probably also
remove the artists from the equation...
--Eric
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:59 , gary shindler wrote:
>> Maybe an "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch.
>
>
> Actually, I think this _was_ reissued this years or last in the UK
> (though without re-mastering or extra tracks or anything).
>
> I agree that Imaginos is probably too much of a "cult classic" to
> create a powerful business case for its restoration and elevation --
> though I shall hold out that hope on the grounds that it is just such
> cult classics that sometimes do eventually get special treatment. :)
>
> Right, I have to go away and listen to it all again now ....
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
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From albert at CELLSUM.COM Tue Jun 10 20:13:23 2008
From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:13:23 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <484EE719.1090608@efalkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.201323.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks to some managerial arm-twisting that situation has been
rectified. We have Sony in somewhat of a bind because about the only
thing that's selling is back catalog. It just gets more valuable all
the time. Too bad artistry has fallen by the wayside though.
Al
On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:42 PM, E F wrote:
> Am I correct in remembering that when the first 4 BOC albums were
> reissued and remastered and bonus tracked that Albert, you had
> mentioned the funds for that came out of band members pockets? If
> so, I would think that the lament for Imaginos is the same for near
> all of the BOC albums; which leads to the question: Is it worth it
> from a financial perspective?
> Of course if another publishing house was able to secure the rights
> to it and put their own funds into re-mastering, etc. then that
> would probably be everyones wet dream! Of course that would
> probably also remove the artists from the equation...
>
> --Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>> On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:59 , gary shindler wrote:
>>> Maybe an "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I think this _was_ reissued this years or last in the UK
>> (though without re-mastering or extra tracks or anything).
>>
>> I agree that Imaginos is probably too much of a "cult classic" to
>> create a powerful business case for its restoration and elevation
>> -- though I shall hold out that hope on the grounds that it is just
>> such cult classics that sometimes do eventually get special
>> treatment. :)
>>
>> Right, I have to go away and listen to it all again now ....
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Edlund Anderson
>> http://www.carlaz.com/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>> Release Date: 6/10/2008 7:22 AM
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From albert at CELLSUM.COM Tue Jun 10 20:16:09 2008
From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <600805.83349.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.201609.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Moved on from BOC maybe? but Imaginos? No way. I have some inside info
but its too early to talk about it.
On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:59 PM, gary shindler wrote:
> I doubt Dharma, Bloom, etc. are interested in revisiting the CD and
> Albert's doing his own thing econo-style. I don't think BOC even
> have a recording contract at the moment. I doubt there'll be a
> "Revolution by Night" reissue (which probably sold more) so it would
> really be a fringe release to bring out "Imaginos." Post "Fire of
> Unknown Origin" I don't see much demand in the catalogue. Maybe an
> "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch. I know there's fans
> like us who would devour it but are there enough of us to matter?
> I think Pearlman's moved on from BOC.
>
> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM> wrote:
> On 10 Jun 2008, at 09:09 , gary shindler wrote:
>> Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were
>> contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to
>> Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on
>> Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be
>> real hard to see that flying.
>
>
>
> Hmm, good point. I knew Rhino had a lot of Warners stuff, but I
> hadn't made the connection to that stable of labels.
>
> Still, even if Sandy mixed the original tapes half to death, I can't
> help but think some judicious re-EQing of the stereo master would
> help somewhat. And we know the bonus material is out there ... :)
>
> IMO, the "Imaginos mythos" material stands behind most of the most
> compelling work from the Wide World o' BOC, and it's a crime against
> culture that the _Imaginos_ album itself languishes in semi-birthed
> obscurity.
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
>
>
>
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 10 20:44:53 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:44:53 -0700
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.174453.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Allllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!
Argh!
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Bouchard <albert at CELLSUM.COM>
Date: Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Moved on from BOC maybe? but Imaginos? No way. I have some inside info
>but its too early to talk about it.
>
>On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:59 PM, gary shindler wrote:
>
>> I doubt Dharma, Bloom, etc. are interested in revisiting the CD and
>> Albert's doing his own thing econo-style. I don't think BOC even
>> have a recording contract at the moment. I doubt there'll be a
>> "Revolution by Night" reissue (which probably sold more) so it would
>> really be a fringe release to bring out "Imaginos." Post "Fire of
>> Unknown Origin" I don't see much demand in the catalogue. Maybe an
>> "ETI Live" reissue, but that might be a stretch. I know there's fans
>> like us who would devour it but are there enough of us to matter?
>> I think Pearlman's moved on from BOC.
>>
>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM> wrote:
>> On 10 Jun 2008, at 09:09 , gary shindler wrote:
>>> Stalk Forrest Group was on Rhino Handmade because they were
>>> contracted to Elektra. Up through "Imaginos" BOC was contracted to
>>> Columbia/CBS/Sony. Just about everything you see on Rhino was on
>>> Warner Brothers, Elektra, Atlantic, Atco, Reprise, etc. It would be
>>> real hard to see that flying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmm, good point. I knew Rhino had a lot of Warners stuff, but I
>> hadn't made the connection to that stable of labels.
>>
>> Still, even if Sandy mixed the original tapes half to death, I can't
>> help but think some judicious re-EQing of the stereo master would
>> help somewhat. And we know the bonus material is out there ... :)
>>
>> IMO, the "Imaginos mythos" material stands behind most of the most
>> compelling work from the Wide World o' BOC, and it's a crime against
>> culture that the _Imaginos_ album itself languishes in semi-birthed
>> obscurity.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Edlund Anderson
>> http://www.carlaz.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jun 10 21:24:29 2008
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:24:29 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
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I see that Allllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!! and raise it an Excellent!
J.
At 08:44 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote:
>Allllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!
>
>Argh!
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Albert Bouchard <albert at CELLSUM.COM>
>Date: Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 8:18 pm
>Subject: Re: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
>To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
><BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>
>Moved on from BOC maybe
but Imaginos? No way. I have some inside info
> >but its too early to talk about it.
> >
> >On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:59 PM, gary shindler wrote:
> >
> >> I doubt Dharma, Bloom, etc. are interested in revisiting the CD and
> >> Albert's doing his own thing econo-style. I don't think BOC even
> >> have a recording contract at the moment. I doubt there'll be a
>
>
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From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed Jun 11 01:46:36 2008
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:46:36 +0200
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <484EF929.4050303@kalyr.com>
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> We've got a UK tour underway. Not sure what part of the world you're
> from, if you're British the tour has already started - I'm seeing them
> at Manchester on Sunday, unfortunately can't make any other dates.
I'm not too far away, since I'm in France. I'd love to (finally) see them
live, but I doubt my schedule would allow me the trip, sniff.
> And Imaginos has been reissued on CD.
Yay! My favorite BOC album (yes yes, I know, it's not *really* a BOC album...
so bite me, heheh).
I only have it on tape, I'll have to grab a copy of the CD... too bad it
doesn't have any bonus tracks, ah well.
Alex.
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 08:26:29 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:26:29 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <3295975491.14447791@smtp.gmail.com>
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On 10 Jun 2008, at 19:44 , Steve Swann wrote:
> Allllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!
I can but echo the esteemed Mr. Swann's exclamation: !
Well, I guess I probably shouldn't hold my breath whilst waiting to
find out what's doing, though .... ;)
Cheers,
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From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Jun 11 08:37:17 2008
From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:37:17 +0200
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <524DA928-CAB8-4A86-A975-3EE3C18E81C7@cellsum.com>
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote
> Moved on from BOC maybe
but Imaginos? No way. I have some inside
> info but its too early to talk about it.
Ooooooh. You're keeping us in suspense here, Al. Any hints as to what we
should be thinking of, or is it even too early to mention that?
Gr,
Arjan H
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 08:37:46 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:37:46 -0500
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <200806110746.38804.asg@mvdbase.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.073746.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11 Jun 2008, at 00:46 , Alex S. Garcia wrote:
> I only have it on tape, I'll have to grab a copy of the CD...
Oh, yes! Even the plain ol' CD is an improvement over tape :)
Cheers,
Carl
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 08:58:28 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:58:28 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <72DE8C85-1B3C-476D-9272-BA51965929FE@cellsum.com>
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On 10 Jun 2008, at 19:13 , Albert Bouchard wrote:
> Thanks to some managerial arm-twisting that situation has been
> rectified. We have Sony in somewhat of a bind because about the
> only thing that's selling is back catalog. It just gets more
> valuable all the time. Too bad artistry has fallen by the wayside
> though.
Except when wrestling the puppets for control of the dressing room,
does the current BOC incarnation -- or any of several previous
incarnations -- _have_ anything but back catalog to sell? Even their
efforts at making new albums are now receding out of reach of my
memory about when they happened at what they were ....
At least tBS went out with _Denial of Death_ which was a considerable
bang. Mmmm, now that I think of it, has anyone on-list mentioned
that Al's ?nderbelly (or I assume its them) have a cover of
Mot?rhead's "Back at the Funny Farm" on a little MH tribute album?
(Same album has a Gunslinger track as I recall: former members of
list-namesake bands together on disc in support of the Lemmster! ;)
Cheers,
Carl
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 11 09:13:33 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:13:33 -0500
Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%200806090024285360.005A@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.081333.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
(Angels Of Life) whatever the difference may be from the weird tape to the
CD version, which is much longer, the WTTF version would appear to be a lift
from the Weird CD 101, both clocking at 5:14.....(not counting their musical
beginnings on Magu, the previous track
now about that earthed to the ground 2CD.......
On 6/8/08, Steve Youles <youless at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Taking Jon's questions in reverse order...
>
> I just A/B listened to the version on the Welcome To The Future comp, which
> the Codex accounts as 1L, along with that found on 'Silver Machine'
> (Hallmark
> compilation) which is claimed to be 1aL.
>
> They may well be different mixes. The WTTF version has a much hotter audio
> signal so I was hearing more detail as a result, but I am sure both of
> these are
> from the same performance, because of the melodies played on the wibbly
> keyboard parts that sound rather flute-like. However the 1aL version fades
> out on Brock's vocals where the one on WTTF continues on (and on)
> eventually getting to some Bob Calvert ranting. In that sense, the oft-
> compiled version 1aL is definitely cut by comparison with WTTF's 1L.
>
> (I wonder if the hotter signal on 1L indicates it's a desk recording, with
> the
> dingier-sounding 1aL being an audience recording? That would certainly be
> consistent with apparently different mixes...)
>
> Re: Cake Out or Hash Cake '77 as it is often called... Although WTTF's
> sleeve
> notes claim this is from Stonehenge 77, I have an audience recording of
> that
> performance and it's not included. As with 'Slap It On Der Table' and
> Watchfield, I think it has become erroneously associated with a particular
> free
> festival because it first saw light of day on the old "Hawkwind Live at
> Stonehenge and Watchfield" vinyl bootleg album.
>
> Both sound like rehearsal room / recording studio jams to me. FWIW.
>
> Steve
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:24:12 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett
> <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> > a little while ago I picked up a 2CD comp called this,
> >because it united a load of Weird Tapes and extra material I'd never
> >managed to pick up. I see that the Codex knows of it, but for others
> >I'll just say that it has the Watchfield Festival triplet, most of the
> >set from _Atomhenge 76_ (lacking only `Uncle Sam's on Mars' and `Time
> >for Sale', which is just as well I suppose because otherwise I'd have a
> >redundant CD), and on disc 2 the Stonehenge 1977 and Sonic Assassins
> >sets. Several of these things I'd never heard before, and so I wondered
> >if people could answer what may be some pretty basic questions.
> >
> > Firstly, what on earth is `Slap It On The Table'? It's not a
> >live track at all, is it? How did it get lumped with the Watchfield
> >stuff?
> >
> > Secondly, is `Cake Out' genuinely part of the Stonehenge set? It
> >doesn't sound like the same mix to me but it's hard to be sure, and of
> >course it might not be the same mix and still be from the same original
> >tape.
> >
> > Thirdly, how on earth did the original, as I assume this is,
> >recording of the Sonic Assassins `Angels of Life', codex # 1L, get
> >turned into the one we know from infinite comps, codex ' 1aL? The codex
> >says the latter is a cut, but it's more than that surely, the guitar and
> >keyboard balance is quite different in the `Angels' section, and some of
> >the vocals are too; is this is just editing? Wow. And who bothered, and
> >why?
> >
> > I suppose the answers to these may not be known, but equally
> >maybe they are and I just always missed them before because of not
> >having heard the right bits... Grateful for any answers, yours,
> >
> Jon
> >
> >
> >ObCD: Love - _Comes in Colours_
> >--
> >"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
> > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
> > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 09:54:50 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:54:50 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <20080611123515.M33581@wolfpack.nl>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.085450.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11 Jun 2008, at 07:37 , Arjan Hulsebos wrote:
> Ooooooh. You're keeping us in suspense here, Al. Any hints as to
> what we
> should be thinking of, or is it even too early to mention that?
Completely without having had my morning coffee yet, I'm going to
guess at some kind of video/film treatment. After all, he did the
music thing, and wasn't there at least some vague thought of a comic
book thing in the past? (Or did I halucinate that?) But IMO its a
good climate for trying to shop an Imaginos screenplay .... Which
doesn't mean it would get bought, necessarily, or green-lighted if it
were bought, but hey ....
Cheers,
Carl
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http://www.carlaz.com/
From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 11 10:28:54 2008
From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:28:54 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <2EE29E37-7914-431E-8D6B-42A620BFCEDB@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.102854.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Well I thought that the last live and two previous Studio albums from 2OC
were quite good actually.
I don't look at those last three as back catalog. 2OC is alive and well in
mind mind, though I don't recall a new song on the last tour...
Mike M
On 6/11/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Except when wrestling the puppets for control of the dressing room, does
> the current BOC incarnation -- or any of several previous incarnations --
> _have_ anything but back catalog to sell? Even their efforts at making new
> albums are now receding out of reach of my memory about when they happened
> at what they were ....
>
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 11:34:37 2008
From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:34:37 +0100
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <200806110746.38804.asg@mvdbase.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.163437.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > We've got a UK tour underway. Not sure what part of the world you're
> > from, if you're British the tour has already started - I'm seeing them
> > at Manchester on Sunday, unfortunately can't make any other dates.
>
> I'm not too far away, since I'm in France. I'd love to (finally) see them
> live, but I doubt my schedule would allow me the trip, sniff.
>
> Alex.
The French "leg" of the BOC European tour is in September. Check out
the dates.
http://www.blueoystercult.com/Road-main.html
Jas.
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 12:21:50 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:21:50 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <b65d0adc0806110728g4dafdec6k4a39625a3f357d8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.112150.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11 Jun 2008, at 09:28 , Mike Montfort wrote:
> Well I thought that the last live and two previous Studio albums
> from 2OC
> were quite good actually. I don't look at those last three as back
> catalog.
Well, completely leaving aside the issue of how good any of them
were, it has been some 7 years since the last studio album, no? Even
latter Metallica is scarcely so slow ... ;)
And though I'm not one of those people who doesn't count live albums
as "real" even _Long Day's Night_ was in 2002 (and contains no
previously unrecorded songs, though at least it included one track
from _CotHM_).
How long does it take until something becomes back catalog? :) Or
are only a band's "original lineup" albums qualified for the back
catalog? (Though calculating that then becomes complicated for bands
whose lineups changed with relative frequency, like say the Allman
Brothers or Jethro Tull ... or Hawkwind! :)
Cheers,
Carl
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From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 11 12:40:32 2008
From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:40:32 -0400
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <CB5822BB-89B9-4B5A-9CB4-3B091596B6CE@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.124032.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I believe the term refers to whether they go through the first few
pressings... so I'm gonna figure that those are probably not back catalog
yet lol
How long did BOC go the last time? So considering they are touring almost
constantly here in the US, and Alan's health issues Id say 7 yrs was not
that big of a deal. Besides the model of today's small band is live live
live.. maybe do a studio, but they don't make any money now a days with
CD's. 2OC cold make a good living the rest of their careers and never make
another studio. I would find that personally very disappointing however.
Having seen them 10 times in the last 12 years at our very intimate Northern
Lights here in the Albany NY area, I feelthat they and their studio albums
are still fresh indeed.
Mike M
On 6/11/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Well, completely leaving aside the issue of how good any of them were, it
> has been some 7 years since the last studio album, no? Even latter
> Metallica is scarcely so slow ... ;)
>
> And though I'm not one of those people who doesn't count live albums as
> "real" even _Long Day's Night_ was in 2002 (and contains no previously
> unrecorded songs, though at least it included one track from _CotHM_).
>
> How long does it take until something becomes back catalog? :) Or are only
> a band's "original lineup" albums qualified for the back catalog? (Though
> calculating that then becomes complicated for bands whose lineups changed
> with relative frequency, like say the Allman Brothers or Jethro Tull ... or
> Hawkwind! :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:41:59 +0000
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 11 12:58:44 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:58:44 -0500
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <b65d0adc0806110940r5e420365t4346c3cb9b8cceeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.JUN.2008.115844.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11 Jun 2008, at 11:40 , Mike Montfort wrote:
> I believe the term refers to whether they go through the first few
> pressings... so I'm gonna figure that those are probably not back
> catalog
> yet lol
;)
>
> How long did BOC go the last time? So considering they are touring
> almost
> constantly here in the US, and Alan's health issues Id say 7 yrs
> was not
> that big of a deal. Besides the model of today's small band is live
> live
> live.. maybe do a studio, but they don't make any money now a days
> with
> CD's. 2OC cold make a good living the rest of their careers and
> never make
> another studio. I would find that personally very disappointing
> however.
I agree that Buck remains a great guitar player, and that many acts
-- both big and small -- are increasingly finding that they make more
money on tour than they make with recordings. (Hey, I'm an old
Grateful Dead fan, so it makes sense to me! ;)
But, on the other hand, without even meaning to, I usually find
myself starting to lose interest when an artist doesn't either have
new stuff or promise a show that's bound to surprise me (good or
bad). It's been probably 2002 or 2003 since I last saw BOC, so I
might go and see them again if they came my way (not that this is
likely!), though thereafter it might be a good while before I went
out to see them again. There are, after all, lots of good bands and
some of them might have more material I haven't heard loads of time
already, or be likely to present old stuff in a way that jerks my
attention back into the present -- and I'd be more likely to see one
of those.
Naturally, if whatever incarnation BOC came out with a raging new
album, I wouldn't care who was in the band -- a raging new album is a
raging new album, after all. But I'm not holding my breath on Buck
and Eric's account. :/
Cheers,
Carl
--
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From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed Jun 11 13:19:12 2008
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:19:12 +0200
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <484FFE9D.31969.1A87A0@imaginos.pavilion.co.uk>
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> The French "leg" of the BOC European tour is in September. Check out
> the dates.
>
> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Road-main.html
Wow! They're actually gonna play in France! That is awesome. I hope I can make
it to one of those venues... *starts making plans* Thanks for the heads up,
Jason.
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From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:31:53 +0100
Subject: Hawkwind at no 21 in the charts
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Not the national charts but why?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/rocksingles.shtml
Anything happening using this track?
Steve
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From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jun 12 11:47:36 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:47:36 -0700
Subject: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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Might be of interest to Hawkwind fans. There's also a link to request who you'd like to see sessions of issued.
Gary
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From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:26:08 -0700
Subject: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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I apologize for sending without link. Try this.
Telstar <aclark23 at sympatico.ca> wrote: "Thousands of hours of material are to be made available, including unheard
sessions from EMI artists such as Pink Floyd, Kylie and the Beach Boys."
http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2284928,00.html
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Subject: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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Anyone know how many sessions (or recorded concerts)
Hawkwind have done for the BBC??? - I can only think
of about 4.
1972 BBC in Concert
1986 Reading Fest
1988
Mark Radcliffe (1995?)
Cheers,
Mick
--- gary shindler <bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
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> a link to request who you'd like to see sessions of
> issued.
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jun 12 17:28:32 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:28:32 +0100
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
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On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:36:10PM -0500, Mike Montfort typed out:
> Citizens of the UK!!!
> 8 days of BOC are coming this way in June!
>
> 8 - Southampton, ENGLAND - The Brook
> 9 - Wolverhampton, ENGLAND - Robin 2
> 10 - Ipswich, ENGLAND - Regent Theatre
> 11 - London, ENGLAND - The Forum
> 12 - Manchester, ENGLAND - Academy
> 13 - Newcastle, ENGLAND - Academy
> 14 - Glasgow, SCOTLAND - The Ferry
> 15 - Holmfirth, ENGLAND - Picturedrome
Which means that last night was London, and accordingly I was
there. I hadn't had time to get a ticket, but somehow I suspected they
wouldn't sell out. As it was, when I turned up at the Forum I found
Andy, Litmus's ex-keyboardist, outside looking to get rid of a spare
ticket (apparently his karma is ridiculously good for this), so I also
avoided booking fee. However, waiting for him, Jim Hawkman and a small
but motley crew who are apparently doing the whole tour (! I thought
only HW fans did that :-) ) meant that I also `avoided' the support
band, who were called I think The Oil Brown Band, and who seemed from
their goods to be a moody young three-piece; what mood it was, however,
I couldn't tell you. My mood, it may be worth mentioning, was not so
great and I was desperately tired, so I was very keen to have B?C lift
my spirits but not necessarily equipped with the energy to help them.
B?C took their time about coming on, anyway, but did so to the
banging synth stuff that always seems so out of keeping with what they
actually sound like, but certainly works as a tension-builder. They got
someone to do the obligatory OYFoOYK intro--Eric said he was their new
cowbell player--and got going. I'll give the setlist first and then my
impressions.
This Ain't the Summer of Love
OD'd on Life Itself
Burnin' For You
ME 262
Joan Crawford
Harvest Moon
Cities on Flame (with Rock'n'Roll)
Perfect Water
Buck's Boogie
Black Blade
Astronomy
Godzilla [incorporating bits of `Another One Bites the Dust', `Bohemian
Rhapsody' and the bass and drum solos]
(Don't Fear) The Reaper
*
See You in Black
Dominance & Submission
It looks like a long set, and Eric had indeed promised to
stretch things out, but actually a lot of it was kind of perfunctory:
`ME 262', in particular, I had never thought could be played that
short, and a lot of breaks were only eight bars, as if they were trying
to add pace by brevity. At first pace was something of a problem; the
whole band seemed to take time to warm up except Richie Castellano,
who was absolutely brilliant from minute one, but couldn't make it
happen by himself. In particular Buck, from whom I expect more really,
was not in great voice till `Perfect Water', and his guitar was very
lazy, wandering around the time rather than playing with it, until
`Buck's Boogie'.
It was only with `Buck's Boogie' that the band really seemed to
gel and get good; my impression of the set, which may be subjective,
was that the five numbers that song led off took as long to do as the
eight that had preceded it. But `Black Blade' was awesome, at least
partly because the effects made Eric's voice much stronger; though
`Astronomy' was not the best ever, it was very good, and the `Godzilla'
was excellent, even with the Queen interludes, soloes and general faff.
`Reaper' could not be argued with, and the encore was *fierce*: whereas
I didn't know `ME 262' went that short, I had no idea `See You in Black'
could be done that *fast*, especially by the same band that had done the
rather lacklustre first few numbers. So by the end it was excellent, but
it didn't really start out on form.
Eric's voice is suffering somewhat. He was noticeably avoiding
high notes till he was well warmed up, and even later on, when he did
give it some, he cracked a lot on quiet bits that went high. That said,
he sings with immense style even when he's not really on top, and he was
talking to the audience and messing with security with good humour: for
example, he introduced `Godzilla' with "Straight out of Stonehenge!
Little men descend from the ceiling--oh wait, wrong movie!" and led off
`Reaper' with mock cowbell; he's not afraid to join in with the jokes,
it was good to see. Also, he was up on the drum riser during `Cities on
Flame' banging on a cymbal with a spare pair of sticks, which unlike
quite a lot of his routine this night, I hadn't seen before. So even if
he can't sing quite as he used to, I am still very much in favour of
Eric as a performer; he was a lot of why the audience, and therefore the
band, were having a good time.
Buck! Hardly took a lead till the `Boogie' and then was
brilliant just as we expect. He seemed to be having equipment problems,
as did Eric indeed; several of their vocals began without live mics as
if the soundman had forgotten they needed to be on now, which really
shouldn't happen. The Swiss-cheese Steinberger seemed less afflicted
than the other headless with which he began the set, but whatever was
wrong with that one was fixed by `Reaper'. He used to do `Reaper' with a
capo, but no sign of it last night; is the blue guitar tuned
differently? Anyway, once he was going he was all you could expect,
clever, musical and very hard to follow; I just wish he'd started
sooner.
Richie Castellano is one bloody excellent musician. Not only did
the leads that he took, notably in `OD'd' and `Harvest Moon', excel
pretty much any guitarist not in the upper top leagues (such as for
example Buck :-) ), his piano parts in `Joan Crawford' added frills to
Allen's original ones, the honky-tonk line he added to `ME 262' really
livened it up and generally, I was really quite impressed. Am I right in
thinking that he joined originally on bass? Bloody polymath :-) Also,
his singing helped a lot; in particular, given the amount of messing
round he was doing during `Godzilla' with falsetto descant parts (!), I
think he has to be blamed that for the first time in years, they were
doing it with the original `Woo-ooh-ooh' backing in the chorus. I
enjoyed that :-)
Danny, I only really started noticing in `Astronomy', but he was
visible rather than audible beforehand, wandering round the stage and
playing face-to-face with people a lot (Buck spent a lot of the early
part of the gig turned away from everyone, and Danny kept hunting him
out). During the break in `Black Blade' he and Eric were almost dancing
round each other in what looked for all the world like some mock-
aggressive pastiche of the twist competition in _Pulp Fiction_ with
guitars. His eventual bass solo was excellent too, he could have carried
a song by himself at that standard no trouble. All the same, I do worry
that he doesn't really punch his weight in the energy when the full band
is playing. It's as if the slightly spongy heaviness he likes his bass
to have is soaked up by the guitars. Oh well.
The drummer, Jules Rondino? if I have the name right, is a
problem. He seems to have a metal background, and is probably fine
playing speedy but essentially unvarying rhythms; he is also very fond
of his double kick-pedal. Play musically and subtly, however, he didn't
really, and his fills were unimaginative and obviously placed. It
wouldn't shame a pub band, but for a band like B?C that's had one
incredible drummer and a range of really good ones, it's not enough; the
early songs didn't really stand up to a kick-hihat-snare 4:4 bom-bom-tap
bom-bom-tap bom-bom-tap approach. He also warmed up, and in `Cities on
Flame' particularly he seemed OK, but really, he's not the standard of
drummer they need. A proper rock drummer doesn't *speed up by mistake
during the breaks*, at least not one whose gigs are costing twenty-two
quid to get into. That was a shame, and didn't help with the
danceability of the set (though I did go kind of mad during `Buck's
Boogie', because it does what it claims).
So yes. A tired-seeming B?C started a set looking as if they
needed both rest and practice, and finished it being the fire-spitting
engine of rock'n'roll destruction we know and love, making the
transition between the two with some goodwill, a great deal of
showmanship from Eric and an eventual agreement to play enough in time
from Buck, which rather helped Jules I suspect. Not the worst set of
theirs I've seen, I could have used it being better, but by the end I
was having a lot of fun. Good to have finally seen them again. (All the
same I do hope Allen gets better or comes back or both soon.)
Yours all,
Jon
ObCD: The Bonzo Dog Band - _Gorilla_
--
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(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
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From youless at COX.NET Thu Jun 12 21:09:50 2008
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:09:50 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
Message-ID: <THU.12.JUN.2008.210950.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Lots more - they're listed at:
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hwrelease/hwbbc.html
Cheers
Steve
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:55:11 +0100, Michael Crook
<m.j.crook at TALK21.COM> wrote:
>Anyone know how many sessions (or recorded concerts)
>Hawkwind have done for the BBC??? - I can only think
>of about 4.
>
>1972 BBC in Concert
>1986 Reading Fest
>1988
>Mark Radcliffe (1995?)
>
>
>Cheers,
>Mick
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 06:16:38 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:16:38 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:22:18 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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From tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Jun 13 09:04:25 2008
From: tjackson at SYR.EDU (Theodore O Jackson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:04:25 -0400
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
In-Reply-To: A<20080612212832.GF6960@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.090425.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett
B?C took their time about coming on, anyway, but did so to the
banging synth stuff that always seems so out of keeping with what they
actually sound like, but certainly works as a tension-builder. They got
someone to do the obligatory OYFoOYK intro--Eric said he was their new
cowbell player--and got going. I'll give the setlist first and then my
impressions.
This Ain't the Summer of Love
OD'd on Life Itself
Burnin' For You
ME 262
Joan Crawford
Harvest Moon
Cities on Flame (with Rock'n'Roll)
Perfect Water
Buck's Boogie
Black Blade
Astronomy
Godzilla [incorporating bits of `Another One Bites the Dust', `Bohemian
Rhapsody' and the bass and drum solos]
(Don't Fear) The Reaper
*
See You in Black
Dominance & Submission
Pretty decent setlist. You got TAtSoL, Harvest Moon,
Astronomy and SYiB, which I haven't seen in the set for a while.
If they'd played Flaming Telepaths, you'd really have been
spoiled...
Thanks for a great review!
tj
From steve.bishop at DB.COM Fri Jun 13 09:15:15 2008
From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:15:15 +0100
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <44223619888B784FA7A621427B24888B28601A@SUEXCL-03.ad.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.141515.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
please ? Not trying to cause a division, just curious !
Bish
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From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:02:59 -0400
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
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As I recall it had something to do with Imaginos when he was a Silver
Machine and came under Sonic Attack by the Veterans of the Psychic Wars.
--Eric
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:15:15 -0400, Steve Bishop <steve.bishop at DB.COM>
wrote:
> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
> please ? Not trying to cause a division, just curious !
>
> Bish
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 10:51:51 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:51:51 +0100
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
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From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2008
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:25:23 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [HW] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
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Cheers Mike and Steve -
Didn't realise there were THAT many!!
Cheers,
Mick
--- M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
> Steve Youles writes:
>
> > Lots more - they're listed at:
> >
> >
>
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hwrelease/hwbbc.html
>
> Hmmmm, how definite is the 2/8/72 Silver
> Machine/Brainstorm one? That's
> the Brian Matthews disc (and I suspect where the
> footage for the TotP
> Silver Machine came from).
>
> Jill and I did some detective work around what else
> was on the Brian
> Matthews transcription disc and came up with 7/7/72
> at Dunstable.
> However, 2/8 may be close enough and obviously the
> BBC tended to be at
> Maida Vale.
>
> I seem to recall it hinged on when Mary Hopkin was
> in the charts and
> when Wings had been arrested for dope posession in
> Holland, but 2/8
> would fit too as we thought the broadcast date was
> some time in
> September.
>
> Jill: am I misremembering?
>
> FoFP
>
>
>
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 13 11:32:08 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:32:08 -0500
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <OF7DDD7145.087E5B83-ON80257467.0048ABDE-80257467.0048CEE1@db.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.103208.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 13 Jun 2008, at 08:15 , Steve Bishop wrote:
> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind
> group
> please ?
It didn't evolve; it was thusly created in the dim and distant mists
of time, back when the Internet was cool.
I blame Steve Swann. :)
Cheers,
Carl
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 13 14:04:15 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:15 -0500
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <002E06E2-9FEB-4FEB-B05E-61D08DA4BEF4@carlaz.com>
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steve swann, yes that sometimes elusive mastermind that realised HW
(communication) on it's own get's picked up on the Echelon system and (the
band has) always been held back with US endeavors, so the Cult of The Angry
Black Death in connection to it was a little too obvious in cyberspace, so
we parasited BOC as a diversion.........
they don't seem to mind........and I suppose there's more to it when
Imaginos unfolds some day/////
say, I can even call FoFP, FOO too can't I?? or at least FoO??? no?
On 6/13/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jun 2008, at 08:15 , Steve Bishop wrote:
>
>> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
>> please ?
>>
>
> It didn't evolve; it was thusly created in the dim and distant mists of
> time, back when the Internet was cool.
>
> I blame Steve Swann. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Jun 13 15:08:06 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:08:06 -0700
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806131104p44867119waef995a611d99997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.120806.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
No dumb questions, right? I don't know how long I've been on the list and I don't know what FoFp stands for? Friends of ...?
Gary
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
From: mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: OFF - just interested to know ..........
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:04 PM
steve swann, yes that sometimes elusive mastermind that realised HW
(communication) on it's own get's picked up on the Echelon system and
(the
band has) always been held back with US endeavors, so the Cult of The Angry
Black Death in connection to it was a little too obvious in cyberspace, so
we parasited BOC as a diversion.........
they don't seem to mind........and I suppose there's more to it when
Imaginos unfolds some day/////
say, I can even call FoFP, FOO too can't I?? or at least FoO??? no?
On 6/13/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jun 2008, at 08:15 , Steve Bishop wrote:
>
>> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind
group
>> please ?
>>
>
> It didn't evolve; it was thusly created in the dim and distant mists
of
> time, back when the Internet was cool.
>
> I blame Steve Swann. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 13 16:02:59 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:02:59 -0500
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <707977.90266.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.150259.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Friend Of Fernando Poo, not a dumb question!!
On 6/13/08, gary shindler <bewlay68 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No dumb questions, right? I don't know how long I've been on the list and I
> don't know what FoFp stands for? Friends of ...?
> Gary
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> From: mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: OFF - just interested to know ..........
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:04 PM
>
> steve swann, yes that sometimes elusive mastermind that realised HW
> (communication) on it's own get's picked up on the Echelon system and
> (the
> band has) always been held back with US endeavors, so the Cult of The
> Angry
> Black Death in connection to it was a little too obvious in cyberspace, so
> we parasited BOC as a diversion.........
> they don't seem to mind........and I suppose there's more to it when
> Imaginos unfolds some day/////
>
> say, I can even call FoFP, FOO too can't I?? or at least FoO??? no?
>
> On 6/13/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Jun 2008, at 08:15 , Steve Bishop wrote:
> >
> >> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind
> group
> >> please ?
> >>
> >
> > It didn't evolve; it was thusly created in the dim and distant mists
> of
> > time, back when the Internet was cool.
> >
> > I blame Steve Swann. :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Carl
> >
> > --
> > Carl Edlund Anderson
> > http://www.carlaz.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
From kruch7 at COX.NET Fri Jun 13 16:37:18 2008
From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:37:18 -0400
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.163718.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
it's always been this way as far as I know
Ken
Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics
Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you
Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour
WWBYD What would Brigham Young do ?
Blog http://www.aeonity.com/arioch
http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html
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how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
please ? Not trying to cause a division, just curious !
Bish
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From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 13 16:55:42 2008
From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:55:42 -0400
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <200806131451.m5DEppXN005399@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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I don't think it evolved I think it was born that way
Mike
http://corwyn.blogspot.com
the blog
http://www.mikemontfort.com
the pics
http://www.myspace.com/mikemontfort
the myspace
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m220/MikeMontfort/
the photobucket
http://www.flickr.com/photos/corwyn/
the flickr site
M Holmes wrote:
> Steve Bishop writes:
>
>
>> how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
>> please ? Not trying to cause a division, just curious !
>>
>
> What do you mean "BOC/Hawkwind group"?????
>
> This is a Hawkwind/BOC group!
>
> FoFP
>
>
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Jun 13 21:20:18 2008
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:20:18 -0400
Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Tapergerm Shows
Message-ID: <FRI.13.JUN.2008.212018.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
JUNE 14, 2008: NEW RADIO SHOW
I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show
#202), and Tapegerm Radio (show #10). See the playlists below. Aural
Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and
RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at:
http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #202)
Earthling Society - "Drowned World" (from Beauty And The Beast)
Gunslinger - "Gunslinger" (from Gunslinger)
Pre-Med - "Cerebral Escape" (from The Truth About Us)
Ohead - "Desert Path" (from Gaia's Garden)
Wind of Change - "Universal Light Live" (from forthcoming single)
Jet Jaguar - "Cruise Mode" (from 3rd Millennium Power Drive)
Xoo - "She Ghost In The Machine" (from Poison In The Name Of Beauty)
Unimother 27 - "Looking For The Superior Octave" (from Grin)
Akahum - "Hempi" (from Electwistery)
GOOD - "Global Warming" (from Fanatic)
Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - "Hawkwind" (from Get Out On The Road)
John Asta & Joseph Benzola - "Nells Bells" (unreleased)
Joseph Benzola - "Radiohead Deconstruction" (unreleased)
Spirits Burning - "The Hawk" (from Alien Injection)
Spirits Burning & Bridget Wishart - "Earth Born" (from Earth Born)
Tim Mungenast - "Barrage a Trois" (from Steam-Powered Mars Lander)
Elfferich Four - "Shower" (from Eccentricity)
Blow Back - "Sleeping Widow" (from Morning Wood)
Atilia - "Atila" (from Reviure)
The Oblivion Kings - "Hyperdrive" (from yet to be release album)
Tapegerm Radio (show #10)
Tapegerm was started in May 2000 by a few folks who were making mixes of
loops taken from old cassette tape albums, homemade tracks, and loops of our
own for a new project being run at http://homemademusic.com. Basically we're
a bunch of artists who have fun combining sounds in different ways and
hearing how other artists combine those sounds in other ways. Visit our web
site at http://www.tapegerm.com
Arthur Loves Plastic - Thats How They Get Ya
DJ Get Yo Fat On - That Girl Needs A Q - Tip
SoLaRiS - Black Sun Solar
Shell - Systematic Fluke
Omnitechnomatrix - Head Like a Machine
Citizen Six - Years Later
Blind Mime - Ignition
Heuristics Inc. - He looks Like Poison
Shaud - Oxygen Level At Low
Anti - Gravity Workshop - Venustraphobia - Aristasik Konniptionz MX
Cystem - American Rage (Blue Collar Mix)
Homogenized Terrestrials - Squeezing The Devil Into The Stem Of A Flower
Buzzsaw & The Shavings - Prince Max Surrenders the Chancellor's Desk
M.Nomized - Funky Fly
Mystery Hearsay - Space_Gloss
Goxnadly - Kilimanjaro Ghosts
Mellow Jeremy - Finding Synthetic
Q-Cut - The Witch Doctor
C.Goff III - Quantrill
Systems Theory - Dreaming Of Dreaming Of You
International Garbageman - Yolculuk
Dereck Higgins - Emblem
Pablos Pub - Essence Of Morning
Ken Clinger - Jupiter
Mikadams - duane's life story (and then some)
Mental Anguish - Perfect Poison Mystery Drop Yard
David Fuglewicz - Caverns Of Mars
Datawhore - Alien Barbie
Don Campau - Bootstrap Theory
Hebephrenic - Paradox
Jesi Langsdale - Once: Enough
Cumulus - Swirly Up (short version)
The Ghosts Lounge - Like Thomas Jefferson Loves HipHop I Love You Baby
Mecan - 1212120
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jun 14 07:32:58 2008
From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:32:58 +0100
Subject: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
Message-ID: <SAT.14.JUN.2008.123258.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yes - I take your point - Maida Vale may be a more likely candidate. And
having searched through my bookcase I even appear to have kept my notes
<yes, it worries me as well!> On a piece of paper dated Friday 20th
November 1998 I have scrawled the following:
Bee Gees
1971 Aug 7 - Bee Gees reform and release ballad "How Can You Mend a Broken
Heart"
1972 Feb - Appear on ITV "The Golden Shot"
Feb - "My World" success in US (and UK from 29 Jan 1972 was in the
charts for 9 weeks)
July/Aug - "Run To Me" reaches UK #9 (in charts from 22 July for 10
weeks)
Sept - March 1973 Chart successes in US
1973 June 24 - performance at London Palladium
--------------------------------------
Hawkwind
1972 Feb - Greasy Truckers Party
<July 23 - gig at London Rainbow>
July/Aug - Silver Machine rising in the charts (in charts from 1st
July for 15 weeks)
Dec - Doremi reaches #14
Space Ritual tour
--------------------------------------------
Mary Wells
1972 July 8 - "My Guy" reissue starts a 10 week chart run reaching #14
------------------------------------------
Mary Kelly - no reference found
--------------------------------------
The Pretty Things
1971 Nov - Group reformed after a split in June
1972 - ???
1973 - toured US
------------------------------
Wings
1972 Feb - Band tours colleges
1972 June - "Mary Had a Little Lamb" reaches #9
July 9 - formal debut at Chateauvillon, France
(late) July ?22 - Arrested in Sweden during tour and again (Sept) in
Scotland
1973 Jan - "Hi Hi Hi" banned by BBC
========================================
I assume all the above feature on the record and, if so, a re-reading
suggests that Dunstable 7th July 1972 is actually much too early.
Apparently the Brian Matthews recording has frozen a snapshot of these
artists at a moment of particular significance in their careers and that
moment appears to be right at the end of July when all of them* would have
been (just for that short time) headlines in the music world. And if you
check Starfarers excellent gig list you will discover Hawkwind played at the
Rainbow in London on 23rd July - a Beeb executive may well have seen them
there and decided to get them recorded. So recording a show at Maida Vale
on 2nd August would make excellent sense. In fact the gig list suggests
Hawkwind came back from Hastings to do the show and then returned to
Hastings the following night. Hectic!
*though I've no idea what The Pretty Things were doing at that date!
jill
==============================================
Jill Strobridge <jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk>
==============================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
> Steve Youles writes:
>
>> Lots more - they're listed at:
>>
>> http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hwrelease/hwbbc.html
>
> Hmmmm, how definite is the 2/8/72 Silver Machine/Brainstorm one? That's
> the Brian Matthews disc (and I suspect where the footage for the TotP
> Silver Machine came from).
>
> Jill and I did some detective work around what else was on the Brian
> Matthews transcription disc and came up with 7/7/72 at Dunstable.
> However, 2/8 may be close enough and obviously the BBC tended to be at
> Maida Vale.
>
> I seem to recall it hinged on when Mary Hopkin was in the charts and
> when Wings had been arrested for dope posession in Holland, but 2/8
> would fit too as we thought the broadcast date was some time in
> September.
>
> Jill: am I misremembering?
>
> FoFP
>
>
>
>
> --
> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>
>
>
From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Mon Jun 16 04:17:35 2008
From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:35 +0200
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806131302m7b060386v187fc9055c8220a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.101735.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:02:59 -0500, mike coleman wrote
> Friend Of Fernando Poo, not a dumb question!!
And its answer naturally leads to the next question: who or what is Fernando Poo?
Gr,
Arjan H
--------------------------------
Rock in the 70ies:
substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration
From denis at PTI-INC.DE Mon Jun 16 04:32:31 2008
From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:32:31 +0200
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <20080616081454.M19858@wolfpack.nl>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.103231.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi,
> And its answer naturally leads to the next question: who or what is
> Fernando Poo?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Po_%28island%29>
Especially the following:
"Fernando Poo (without the accent) is the site of a fictional coup
d'?tat and nuclear crisis in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The
Illuminatus! Trilogy, where it is an integral part of the first book
(The Eye in the Pyramid). The second book (The Golden Apple) reveals
that Fernando Poo is one of the last surviving remants of the sunken
continent of Atlantis. WIlson also uses the motif in his book The Sex
Magicians"
(c)IAO
D+fnoRd
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 06:16:07 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:16:07 +0100
Subject: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:32:58 +0100
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From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:17:04 +0100
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
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From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:18:04 +0100
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
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From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 16 08:07:17 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:07:17 -0700
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.050717.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Btw, that "banging synthesizer music" :) is Vangelis' closing title music from Blade Runner.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Theodore O Jackson <tjackson at SYR.EDU>
Date: Friday, Jun 13, 2008 9:07 am
Subject: Re: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett
> B?C took their time about coming on, anyway, but did so to the
>banging synth stuff that always seems so out of keeping with what they
>actually sound like, but certainly works as a tension-builder. They got
>someone to do the obligatory OYFoOYK intro--Eric said he was their new
>cowbell player--and got going. I'll give the setlist first and then my
>impressions.
>
>This Ain't the Summer of Love
>OD'd on Life Itself
>Burnin' For You
>ME 262
>Joan Crawford
>Harvest Moon
>Cities on Flame (with Rock'n'Roll)
>Perfect Water
>Buck's Boogie
>Black Blade
>Astronomy
>Godzilla [incorporating bits of `Another One Bites the Dust', `Bohemian
> Rhapsody' and the bass and drum solos]
>(Don't Fear) The Reaper
>*
>See You in Black
>Dominance & Submission
>
>
>Pretty decent setlist. You got TAtSoL, Harvest Moon,
>Astronomy and SYiB, which I haven't seen in the set for a while.
>If they'd played Flaming Telepaths, you'd really have been
>spoiled...
>
>
>Thanks for a great review!
>
>
>tj
>
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jun 16 10:32:48 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:32:48 -0700
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <9DADD208-E6E8-4073-9DF9-60776630F279@pti-inc.de>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.073248.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I thought Mike was putting me on. Color me wrong.
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Denis Regenbrecht <denis at PTI-INC.DE> wrote:
From: Denis Regenbrecht <denis at PTI-INC.DE>
Subject: Re: OFF - just interested to know ..........
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:32 AM
Hi,
> And its answer naturally leads to the next question: who or what is
> Fernando Poo?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Po_%28island%29>
Especially the following:
"Fernando Poo (without the accent) is the site of a fictional coup
d'?tat and nuclear crisis in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The
Illuminatus! Trilogy, where it is an integral part of the first book
(The Eye in the Pyramid). The second book (The Golden Apple) reveals
that Fernando Poo is one of the last surviving remants of the sunken
continent of Atlantis. WIlson also uses the motif in his book The Sex
Magicians"
(c)IAO
D+fnoRd
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 11:58:56 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:58:56 +0100
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: gary shindler's message of Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:32:48 -0700
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 16 12:22:31 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:22:31 -0500
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........and straying far,
for the knowledge (HW)
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.112231.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I tend to wonder if Gary knew it was going to get to this.....
and FWIW, did Jill let you in on the "cosmic enclosure", I would have
expected that.....further, I ve just learned the true UK DOREME vinyl
pressings are in fact UK pressings (apparently on heavy vinyl as well)(in
even smaller quantity), before being contracted out to Germany where more
heavy vinyl was produced until it went back to UK?????
and further whike it's true the mysterious yellow labeled UK Mt. Grill is on
heavier vinyl, I have the chaos to muddy the waters if it's really the first
press
when I receive full blooming sound for the Brian Matthews tracks on
HOPEFULLY, a CDR of the entire transcription LP, I will apply for clearance
to explain further chaos regarding these sessions......
On 6/16/08, M Holmes <fofp at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> gary shindler writes:
>
> > I thought Mike was putting me on. Color me wrong.
>
> Nope, the Illuminati were going to use a crisis at Fernando Poo to
> Immanetise the Eschaton. It had to do with non-existent Soviet advisors
> and a plot uncovered by an agent of B.U.G.G.E.R.
>
> In our world though, a coup against the current Nguema regime (which
> overthrew a previous coup orchestrated by his uncle, was planned by
> mercenaries backed by Margaret Thatcher's son Mark. The mercenaries
> planned to restore an ex-President in exile and reap oil riches.
> Many have commented on the similarity of the plot to that of the
> Frederick Forsythe novel "The Dogs of War".
>
> They were however caught by the Zimbabwe miltary at Harare airport, a
> staging post for the coup, after plans had been leaked to unknown
> African security agents. Most of the mercenaries were jailed in
> Zimbabwe, a place not known for making prisoners comfortable. Mann has
> since been transferred to Bioko (new name for "Fernando Poo"). It is
> unlikely he's comfortable there, not least since the President is
> rumoured to enjoy executing prisoners in exotic ways and then eating
> their testicles. Nguema is also suing Mann for ten million Dollars in a
> British High Court for "emotional discomfort" engendered by the coup
> attempt. The Law Lords have yet to rule on the legality of such a lawsuit.
>
> Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
>
> FoFP
>
>
>
> --
> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>
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From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 16 17:55:18 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.145518.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Back in 89 or 90 I wanted to start a mailing list devoted to Hawkwind and another to BOC. I didn't have the resources to start both (this was before the massive explosion in home computing turned the running of mailing lists into something the average person could do on his Linux box) so I started one list about both.
Actually the list was a bit broader at one point, the subject was called Imaginitive Rock, and encompassed any rock music with "s/f, fantasy or occult overtones". That proved a bit unwieldy though, so I pared it back to BOC & Hawkwind, with occasional excursions into other related territories. And it's been that way ever since. :)
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bishop <steve.bishop at DB.COM>
Date: Friday, Jun 13, 2008 9:19 am
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
how did this discussion list evolve into a combined BOC / Hawkwind group
>please ? Not trying to cause a division, just curious !
>
>Bish
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jun 16 18:52:35 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:52:35 -0500
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
In-Reply-To: <3296483715.28847260@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.175235.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 16 Jun 2008, at 16:55 , Steve Swann wrote:
> Actually the list was a bit broader at one point, the subject was
> called Imaginitive Rock, and encompassed any rock music with "s/f,
> fantasy or occult overtones".
Didn't you actually make a separate "imaginative rock" list at one
point? I'm sure I remember being subscribed to "irock" in the late
'90s ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 16 20:58:00 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Up-Tight] The BBC throws open its music vaults to EMI
In-Reply-To: <200806161016.m5GAG7Bc029699@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.195800.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> FoFP((<*>) I'm sold, let's declare the Brian Matthews disc for 2/8/72.
I've traced my fingers in the cluster and come back with the 14th for Silver
Machine, but in an instant I remembered I was always nothing and Brainstorm
slipped away.....very possibly into an entirely different timing co-ordinate
please let me know if my remote view was inaccurate in any way....
thanks
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 17 08:04:13 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:04:13 -0700
Subject: OFF - just interested to know ..........
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.050413.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yeah, the irock list was my attempt to spin off a broader based discussion list about the topics I cited there...I have occasionally thought about starting a web based discussion forum for that stuff...
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
Date: Monday, Jun 16, 2008 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: OFF - just interested to know ..........
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
On 16 Jun 2008, at 16:55 , Steve Swann wrote:
> Actually the list was a bit broader at one point, the subject was
> called Imaginitive Rock, and encompassed any rock music with "s/f,
> fantasy or occult overtones".
>
>Didn't you actually make a separate "imaginative rock" list at one
>point? I'm sure I remember being subscribed to "irock" in the late
>'90s ....
>
>Cheers,
>Carl
>
>--
>Carl Edlund Anderson
>http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From jt_ at COX.NET Tue Jun 17 09:49:58 2008
From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson (rose.edu student))
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:49:58 -0500
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <953441AE-6C2D-4231-BCA6-033EE4F86477@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.084958.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 11 Jun 2008, at 00:46 , Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>> I only have it on tape, I'll have to grab a copy of the CD...
>
>
> Oh, yes! Even the plain ol' CD is an improvement over tape :)
Hey! It'll almost be as if it was remastered for you, Alex!
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue Jun 17 13:23:48 2008
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:23:48 -0400
Subject: BOC: What Pearlman's been up to...
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.132348.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://www.midnightpoutine.ca/music/2008/06/sandy_pearlman/
An interesting report/review of Sandy Pearlman's gig as lecturer at McGill
U.
Jason.
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 17 15:19:00 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:19:00 -0700
Subject: BOC: What Pearlman's been up to...
In-Reply-To: <9060e1f76940603b7eaec2d414288bf4@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.121900.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The Manowar clip sounds funny. Can't watch it right now.
--- On Tue, 6/17/08, js3619 at ACMENET.NET <js3619 at ACMENET.NET> wrote:
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET <js3619 at ACMENET.NET>
Subject: BOC: What Pearlman's been up to...
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 12:23 PM
http://www.midnightpoutine.ca/music/2008/06/sandy_pearlman/
An interesting report/review of Sandy Pearlman's gig as lecturer at McGill
U.
Jason.
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Jun 17 15:50:25 2008
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:50:25 +0100
Subject: (HW) Rare Demos and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <200806161016.m5GAG7Bc029699@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.205025.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've just been browsing Age's Hawkeye site (still a
great site and source of info) and I read about a
potential 1975 Dave Brock solo album which didn't
materialise (in this universe at least)- but it does
mention that.....
" 'Wipe Out In The Streets', an accoustic version of
'The Demented Man' and a few instrumental pieces did
make it onto tape as rough demos"
Has anyone heard any of these?
I also read somewhere (not on the Hawkeye Site) that
"Shot Down in the Night" was due to be a Hawklords
single. I wonder if there is demo version of this in
the vaults featuring the Hawklords line up with
Calvert on vocals?
Cheers,
Mick
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 17 15:58:38 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:58:38 -0500
Subject: (HW) Rare Demos and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <49563.10563.qm@web86205.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.145838.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
addressing just the first part, wasn't that on a tape floating around of
75's demos that may have been part of something called "the hawkwind
flightlog".....???
damn, I don't have that stuff anymore, there was a particular synth piece
that made me think of the 76 era that I just loved.....
On 6/17/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com> wrote:
>
> I've just been browsing Age's Hawkeye site (still a
> great site and source of info) and I read about a
> potential 1975 Dave Brock solo album which didn't
> materialise (in this universe at least)- but it does
> mention that.....
>
> " 'Wipe Out In The Streets', an accoustic version of
> 'The Demented Man' and a few instrumental pieces did
> make it onto tape as rough demos"
>
>
> Has anyone heard any of these?
>
>
> I also read somewhere (not on the Hawkeye Site) that
> "Shot Down in the Night" was due to be a Hawklords
> single. I wonder if there is demo version of this in
> the vaults featuring the Hawklords line up with
> Calvert on vocals?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail.
> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
>
From asg at MVDBASE.COM Tue Jun 17 17:29:54 2008
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:29:54 +0200
Subject: BOC: News from the BOC world
In-Reply-To: <4857C106.9010300@cox.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.232954.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> > Oh, yes! Even the plain ol' CD is an improvement over tape :)
>
> Hey! It'll almost be as if it was remastered for you, Alex!
Indeed!
In other news, I bought my ticket earlier today for the concert in Istres
(France) on Sept. 14... yay! Was about time I got to see them (yes, it will
be my first time for BOC)
Alex.
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 17 19:01:55 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:01:55 -0500
Subject: (HW) Rare Demos and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806171258h44c9ce99qa77d15a81195c2e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.180155.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
and just a little further, as I remember a bit more...the answer is yes,
some of Dave's 75 demo material somehow got leaked
I recall the wipeout in the streets and a version of the demented man.......
On 6/17/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> addressing just the first part, wasn't that on a tape floating around of
> 75's demos that may have been part of something called "the hawkwind
> flightlog".....???
> damn, I don't have that stuff anymore, there was a particular synth piece
> that made me think of the 76 era that I just loved.....
> On 6/17/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've just been browsing Age's Hawkeye site (still a
>> great site and source of info) and I read about a
>> potential 1975 Dave Brock solo album which didn't
>> materialise (in this universe at least)- but it does
>> mention that.....
>>
>> " 'Wipe Out In The Streets', an accoustic version of
>> 'The Demented Man' and a few instrumental pieces did
>> make it onto tape as rough demos"
>>
>>
>> Has anyone heard any of these?
>>
>>
>> I also read somewhere (not on the Hawkeye Site) that
>> "Shot Down in the Night" was due to be a Hawklords
>> single. I wonder if there is demo version of this in
>> the vaults featuring the Hawklords line up with
>> Calvert on vocals?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________________
>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail.
>> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
>>
>
>
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jun 18 09:35:26 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:35:26 +0100
Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%200806090024285360.005A@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.143526.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 12:24:28AM -0400, Steve Youles typed out:
> I just A/B listened to the version on the Welcome To The Future comp, which
> the Codex accounts as 1L, along with that found on 'Silver Machine' (Hallmark
> compilation) which is claimed to be 1aL.
<snip>
> (I wonder if the hotter signal on 1L indicates it's a desk recording, with the
> dingier-sounding 1aL being an audience recording? That would certainly be
> consistent with apparently different mixes...)
They do sound quite different, though I agree that for what's
there the same things are happening in the same order, so I think this
is the most likely answer; maybe somebody in the band was doing a Larry
Boyd and recording on a `blaster' for their own archive...
> Re: Cake Out or Hash Cake '77 as it is often called... Although WTTF's sleeve
> notes claim this is from Stonehenge 77, I have an audience recording of that
> performance and it's not included. As with 'Slap It On Der Table' and
> Watchfield, I think it has become erroneously associated with a particular free
> festival because it first saw light of day on the old "Hawkwind Live at
> Stonehenge and Watchfield" vinyl bootleg album.
>
> Both sound like rehearsal room / recording studio jams to me. FWIW.
Glad it's not just me that thought that. Thanks for doing the
check-ups, Steve! Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Talking Heads - _More Songs About Buildings and Food_
--
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(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Jun 18 10:14:21 2008
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:14:21 +0100
Subject: (HW) Rare Demos and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806171601k58bc088bt38fa3b44a656bd42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.151421.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks Mike - What was 'Wipeout...' like??
Did it re-surface under another name???
Cheers,
Mick
--- mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> and just a little further, as I remember a bit
> more...the answer is yes,
> some of Dave's 75 demo material somehow got leaked
> I recall the wipeout in the streets and a version of
> the demented man.......
>
>
> On 6/17/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > addressing just the first part, wasn't that on a
> tape floating around of
> > 75's demos that may have been part of something
> called "the hawkwind
> > flightlog".....???
> > damn, I don't have that stuff anymore, there was a
> particular synth piece
> > that made me think of the 76 era that I just
> loved.....
> > On 6/17/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've just been browsing Age's Hawkeye site
> (still a
> >> great site and source of info) and I read about a
> >> potential 1975 Dave Brock solo album which didn't
> >> materialise (in this universe at least)- but it
> does
> >> mention that.....
> >>
> >> " 'Wipe Out In The Streets', an accoustic version
> of
> >> 'The Demented Man' and a few instrumental pieces
> did
> >> make it onto tape as rough demos"
> >>
> >>
> >> Has anyone heard any of these?
> >>
> >>
> >> I also read somewhere (not on the Hawkeye Site)
> that
> >> "Shot Down in the Night" was due to be a
> Hawklords
> >> single. I wonder if there is demo version of this
> in
> >> the vaults featuring the Hawklords line up with
> >> Calvert on vocals?
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Mick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
__________________________________________________________
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> http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
> >>
> >
> >
>
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 18 10:42:29 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:42:29 -0500
Subject: (HW) Rare Demos and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <992626.11039.qm@web86210.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.094229.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi....
funny you ask that, since I was trying my hardest to remember.......now,
obviously I see Brock as larger than life, but I must be honest...I was not
overly imprressed by some of that demo stuff, "wipe out" being one....I seem
to recall it was a bit "draggy", for want of another term, but then again
one must realise that opinions are just that, and taste is very subjective,
esepecially with HW stuff.....also, the foggy quality didn't help, but with
all that said, aside from the fact that it looks like those demos were not
intended to reach the public, it's frickin' Brock doing all the instruments
from 1975....so more truth to be told.....highly desireable in my
opinion.......
I do NOT believe it resurfaced under another name....however I am not
up-to-date on my Hawkwind stuff and only get to know what the powers that be
decide......
hopefully some good soul on here will contact you and hook you up
now, the other material I mentioned which I cannot remember if it was
connected with those 75 demos or seperate, also had some gems therein......
cheers
On 6/18/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike - What was 'Wipeout...' like??
>
> Did it re-surface under another name???
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mick
>
>
>
> --- mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > and just a little further, as I remember a bit
> > more...the answer is yes,
> > some of Dave's 75 demo material somehow got leaked
> > I recall the wipeout in the streets and a version of
> > the demented man.......
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > addressing just the first part, wasn't that on a
> > tape floating around of
> > > 75's demos that may have been part of something
> > called "the hawkwind
> > > flightlog".....???
> > > damn, I don't have that stuff anymore, there was a
> > particular synth piece
> > > that made me think of the 76 era that I just
> > loved.....
> > > On 6/17/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've just been browsing Age's Hawkeye site
> > (still a
> > >> great site and source of info) and I read about a
> > >> potential 1975 Dave Brock solo album which didn't
> > >> materialise (in this universe at least)- but it
> > does
> > >> mention that.....
> > >>
> > >> " 'Wipe Out In The Streets', an accoustic version
> > of
> > >> 'The Demented Man' and a few instrumental pieces
> > did
> > >> make it onto tape as rough demos"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Has anyone heard any of these?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I also read somewhere (not on the Hawkeye Site)
> > that
> > >> "Shot Down in the Night" was due to be a
> > Hawklords
> > >> single. I wonder if there is demo version of this
> > in
> > >> the vaults featuring the Hawklords line up with
> > >> Calvert on vocals?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Mick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> __________________________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 18 11:18:36 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:18:36 -0500
Subject: a hawkwind question for you
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.101836.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I am currently fed up with ebay.....retarded sellers, too expensive ship
costs, etc
so, drumroll with awkward moment.....
of the CD material that's come out since 2002, what is priority if such a
thing could be said??
I got the "earthed" 2cd and it's awesome, in case anybody didn't know that,
with previously unreleased material....
also, if anyone has noticed any sneaky goings on with the compilation
department, please tell me.....further, regarding the latest regurgitation
of "bring me the head", did a turd get polished????
I was listening to a bit of the version on the Brilliant label the other
day, and I _thought_ it sounded like polishing was already taking place
then.....but you certainly need to be dedicated to endure the quality....
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Jun 18 13:02:02 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (Gary Shindler)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:02:02 GMT
Subject: guardian.co.uk Books: Strange fiction
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.170202.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Gary spotted this on the guardian.co.uk Books site and thought you should see it.
-------
Note from Gary:
JG Ballard interview
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To see this story with its related links on the guardian.co.uk Books site, go to http://books.guardian.co.uk
Strange fiction
'I embraced surrealism - like a lover - and psychoanalysis, which closely abutted surrealism. Together, they represented what I wanted to do'. JG Ballard talks to James Campbell
James Campbell
Saturday June 14 2008
The Guardian
Visitors to JG Ballard's semi-detached domain in Shepperton, beyond the far reaches of suburban west London, experience a sense of stepping through the looking glass. As a writer, Ballard is the ultimate urbanist, the master blender of technology and desire. In his front room, seated at a large oak table that supports a typewriter, he rhapsodises "the motorway, this road with no light that says STOP, the view through the windshield, the cross-patterns of chromium and glass that beckon you towards a better world . . ."
As a housekeeper, however, Ballard, who lives alone, resides in the era before the term "mod con" was invented. A 20-year-old Ford Granada of indistinct hue slumps on the narrow driveway, jammed up against the front entrance. Indoors, the curtains, neither open nor closed, are held in limbo by a giant dehydrated plant that has collapsed on to the table, blocking all but the most determined approach. Lost amid the mini-jungle of its dried-up fronds is a dust-covered Collins Dictionary. Ballard's electrical fixtures would interest the curator of the Design Museum. On a cold day, the rooms are warmed by small heaters positioned in the middle of the floor. The sleek stylist of western consumerism never got round to installing central heating.
"I came to live in Shepperton in 1960. I thought: the future isn't in the metropolitan areas of London. I want to go out to the new suburbs, near the film studios. This was the England I wanted to write about, because this was the new world that was emerging. No one in a novel by Virginia Woolf ever filled up the petrol tank of their car." The proximity of Shepperton film studios was important. "They were why I picked this place. The entertainment medium of film is particularly tuned to the present imaginations of people at large. A lot of fiction is intensely nostalgic."
Ballard claims that he has "always treated England as a strange fiction". The real world, in which he was formed, was Shanghai, where he was born in 1930 and brought up as a typical privileged expatriate boy in the city's International Settlement, without learning Chinese or tasting a morsel of native cuisine. "I didn't have a Chinese meal until I returned to England." In 1943, his world flipped upside down when he was incarcerated with his parents in the Lunghua detention camp. In his collection of memoirs, Miracles of Life, published earlier this year, Ballard writes that he was "largely happy" in Lunghua, finding there "a relaxed and easygoing world" that he had not known in everyday life. He claims that he thrived during his two and a half years in detention, "even when food rations fell to near zero, skin infections covered my legs, malnutrition had prolapsed my rectum, and many of the adults had lost heart".
James Graham Ballard is a large man with mischief in his eye and the social manner of a retired civil servant. At 77, he is portly, with grey hair curling on to his shirt collar. He has a full-on way with a good chablis - "More! More!" - but is considerate enough to inquire of his guest: "Do you have a motor car out there? We don't want you to be killed." Propped on the mantelpiece is a large, colourful painting by the Belgian surrealist Paul Delvaux. It shows a formally attired woman regarding her naked self in a mirror. In fact, both this picture and its equally striking companion in the adjoining room are specially commissioned copies, painted from black-and-white photographs. The originals were destroyed in the Blitz. "They represent everything I'm about, and I don't care who knows it." The discrepancy does nothing to dim his pleasure in the works. "In a sense, fakes are the only authenticity remaining to us."
Until the early 1980s, there were two JG Ballards: one wrote science fiction, including The Drowned World, his first novel, published in 1962, and the short stories contained in The Terminal Beach (1964). The other produced intense, tightly focused narratives of apocalyptic realism, such as High-Rise, which examines "a well-to-do proletariat" jammed into a block of luxury flats in what has since become Canary Wharf. The novel traces the residents' descent into a moral cannibalism reminiscent of Lord of the Flies. His most outrageously imaginative book, Crash, belongs in this group. It positions the bisexual "James Ballard" (a fictional character) in counterpoint with the psychopathic Vaughan, who plans an orgasmic collision with Elizabeth Taylor's limousine as it emerges from Shepperton film studios, but dies in the attempt. In Concrete Island, another tour de force of the urban highway, the architect Maitland overturns his Jaguar and is stranded for weeks on an embankment be
side the Westway in Shepherd's Bush. These novels, written in quick succession between 1973 and 1975 and considered by many to be Ballard's best, are all set in present time and are futurological only in prophetic terms.
Science fiction was a "chance discovery. It touched a spark, but I never wrote the kind of SF that was typical of the time." The novelist M John Harrison, who was part of the editorial team of New Worlds, the magazine that published many of Ballard's most controversial stories in the 60s, points out that he was "never well received by generic SF readers and activists. His work is too clearly poetic, satirical, metaphorical - all of which discourages suspension of disbelief and the immersive experience of the exotic on which SF pivots." Dinah Birch, professor of English at Liverpool University, who has written widely on science fiction, says that Ballard was nevertheless "one of the most significant figures in the 60s New Wave. His bleak dystopias were very powerful and influenced both readers and writers. It's true, though, that he did not go in for the clichés of the genre at that time - rayguns and tentacled aliens and so on." To Harrison, he is "a science-fiction no
velist in the way that Orwell and Huxley are".
With the publication of Empire of the Sun in 1984, a third literary persona emerged: Jim Ballard, writing in a detailed, naturalistic manner, without recourse to crystallising trees or exhausted water supplies or visions of mutilated genitalia on the Heathrow approach road. In this autobiographical novel, his longest to date, Ballard renounced the urge to fantasise: the story of young Jim having a high old time in the Lunghua camp while death stalked the perimeter was outlandish enough. Ballard had held back for 40 years before tackling his own exotic history, and he has told the tale again, in yet plainer fashion, in Miracles of Life, which is subtitled "Shanghai to Shepperton".
"I've often asked myself why I waited so long. People who've been involved in war do wait. Robert Graves let 10 years go by before writing Goodbye to All That, which seemed quite a long time. In the course of adjusting to the strangeness of English life, I'd made this vast effort of fatalistically switching off my memories of wartime China. I never spoke about it to anyone, including my wife or children or any of my friends." He was aware, however, of "an unconscious ferment going on, the knocking on the floorboards, the past under my feet saying: we haven't gone away". When he did at last confront the subject - "I thought, I've got to get all this down, before I forget" - he realised that the diet of war and detention, the killings he witnessed and the ruthless Japanese guards who excited his adolescent admiration "mapped out the blueprint for most of my fiction". The writer Iain Sinclair, who "first read Ballard in the New Worlds days", regards "the Chinese aspect" as the k
ey: "the colonial gentleman more English than the English, growing up in a parodic stockbroker belt, with deep memories of a country he had never known. And then the camp: the ultimate English public school."
Sinclair has no difficulty in linking the style of a novel such as Crash with that of Empire of the Sun. "With Ballard, as with any writer who sustains a long and productive career, there is a single vitalising imagination. The coordinates are fixed. Psychopathology chooses to reveal itself in different ways. There is no 'invention' in this trajectory, just recognition, another strategy, another beginning." As M John Harrison sees it, Empire of the Sun "handles the images of his early life as the elements of autobiographical fiction; books like Crash or a short story such as 'You: Coma: Marilyn Monroe' manipulate the same sorts of images and experiences into a personal poetics or mythology". Empire of the Sun has been Ballard's only large commercial success, "outselling all my previous books put together". The novel was turned into a film by Steven Spielberg in 1987, with Christian Bale in the role of Jim.
Liberated from the detention camp in 1945, Ballard returned with his parents to England, where he became a boarder at the Leys School, Cambridge. "Out of one institution, into another." Between 1949 and 1951, he studied medicine at King's College, Cambridge. Whereas Lunghua inspires happy memories, the recollection of university makes him "shudder". Cambridge in the early 50s "was so introverted, all the little rules and rituals. All that Gothic architecture - some of it is real, that's the frightening thing. If it was all fake, one could kind of accept it." He has never been back. "Things have changed now. But I remember thinking: there must be more to England than this! There's something wrong. I never met a working-class person unless they were putting a plate in front of me, laden with food."
He regards the time spent dissecting cadavers as "among the most important of my life". As a child in Shanghai, he had observed a lot of death and dereliction. "Now, only a few years later, I was conducting my own autopsy on all those dead Chinese I had seen lying by the roadside as I set off for school." In spite of "superb tuition", he gave up his medical studies. "Once you become a junior doctor, there's a great pressure of work, and I'd never have found the time to write." For five years, he worked full time on the scientific journal Chemistry & Industry. When he started writing short stories in the mid-1950s, by which time he had married Mary Matthews, he felt that realism was not capacious enough to contain his "overlit" imagination. "I needed something more charged. I embraced surrealism - like a lover - and psychoanalysis, which closely abutted surrealism. Together, they represented what I wanted to do."
The SF label has stuck to him - "It has some pretty powerful adhesive" - which irritates his subversive side. "Even today I see High-Rise and The Atrocity Exhibition referred to as science fiction. It's partly shorthand, but it's also a way of defusing the threat. By calling a novel like Crash science fiction, you isolate the book and you don't think about what it is. You can forget about it." His literary lineage runs closer to extreme satirical fabulists such as William Burroughs and Jonathan Swift than to Arthur C Clarke. Ballard encountered Burroughs, whom he greatly admires as a writer, on a number of occasions. "A very strange chap." Sinclair feels that "the two men, respectful and appreciative, never quite understood each other when they met. Both were set so deep in their visions. Other figures are aliens or rivals."
In Miracles of Life, Ballard describes how he and Mary came to Shepperton via the then bedsit land of Notting Hill. Three children were born in quick succession: James in 1956, Fay the following year, and Beatrice in 1959; both daughters are married with children, while James is, Ballard says, a "confirmed bachelor". Mary, who came from "a world of prosperous farmers, lavish dances and several very dashing suitors", encouraged him when he sought to make a career of writing, and his recollections of domestic life suggest an appealing chaos. The family was struck by tragedy during a holiday in Spain in 1964, when Mary developed pneumonia and died suddenly. In the memoirs, Ballard describes his mostly cheerful struggle to raise three young children singlehandedly (he has a longstanding partner, Claire, who lives in west London). "Alcohol was a close friend and confidant in the early days; I usually had a strong Scotch and soda when I had driven the children to school and sat dow
n to write after nine. In those days I finished drinking at about the time today that I start. A friendly microclimate unfurled itself from the bottle of Johnnie Walker and encouraged my imagination to emerge from its burrow." At the end of the book, Ballard reveals that he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2006, but even this subject he approaches with resolute good spirits. Iain Sinclair regards Miracles of Life as "warmer, more generous than anything we have seen before. At last, the writer is able to be kind to his wounded former selves."
Ballard's grief at his wife's early death appears too deep for elaboration in writing. "I felt that nature had committed a dreadful crime against Mary and her children. Why? There was no answer to the question, which obsessed me for decades." Their children are the "miracles of life" of the title, and it is hard not to think that the house to which the widower returned after burying Mary in the Protestant cemetery in Alicante in 1964 has been preserved in a state close to that in which she left it.
One loyal colleague in those days was Kingsley Amis, whom he liked immensely "before he became a professional curmudgeon". Martin he met "when he was 14 - like many of us, at heart, unchanged by the decades". The younger Amis became an admirer early on, saying that Ballard's novels "could not be written, could not even be guessed at, by anyone else". He keeps himself remote from the present-day book world; the few enthusiasms mentioned in print - Martin Amis, Will Self, Sinclair - are notably among the nation's most enthusiastic Ballardians. More than once in conversation he recoils at casual use of the term "literary" - "Oh, oh, oh: I hear a sinister word" - and claims not to have attended a publishing party for more than 40 years.
"With all due respect to Kingsley Amis and others, I didn't feel that the angry young men were responding to what was really important about society. The same goes for John Osborne's plays. The laying down of the M1 was much more important than anything Jimmy Porter's father-in-law thought about this or that. The motorway system had a much bigger influence on freedom and possibility." For Ballard, 1956 is not the year of Look Back in Anger, as for many of his generation, but of "the wonderful exhibition This Is Tomorrow at the Whitechapel Gallery, which marked the birth of pop art". The show contained Richard Hamilton's painting Just What Is It That Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing?, as well as an installation by Peter and Alison Smithson based on what a person would need to survive after a nuclear war. "I thought: here is a fiction for the present day. I wasn't interested in the far future, spaceships and all that. Forget it. I was interested in the evolving wo
rld, the world of hidden persuaders, of the communications landscape developing, of mass tourism, of the vast conformist suburbs dominated by television - that was a form of science fiction, and it was already here."
The Whitechapel exhibition marked the changing of the avant-garde, the moment at which Hamilton and other pop artists overthrew Henry Moore, Barbara Hepworth and Graham Sutherland. Ballard refers to the latter group, a touch severely perhaps, as "artists in favour with the Arts Council and the British Council" - one of several swipes he takes in the direction of subsidising art by "the taxes of people on modest incomes".
Ballard's conversation, like his writing, is regularly punctuated with inventories of the liberating spirit of technology. But with scarcely a twitch to indicate a change of direction, he explains that his most recent novel, Kingdom Come (2006), "posed the question: could consumerism turn into fascism? The underlying psychologies aren't all that far removed from one another. If you go into a huge shopping mall and you're looking down the parade, it's the same theatrical aspect: these disciplined ranks of merchandise, all glittering like fascist uniforms. When you enter a mall, you are taking part in a ceremony of affirmation, which you endorse just by your presence." Consumerism "has to a large extent replaced art and culture in this country. The principal entertainment industry nowadays is soccer which, with its marching supporters' groups, is not that far removed from fascism."
These diagnoses of the contemporary condition roll off the tongue with an easy delivery - half schoolmasterly lesson, half the retort of his impish pupil. Ballard surprised some of his counterculture admirers in the 80s by expressing respect for Margaret Thatcher, and supporting her attempts to "Americanise" British life. As long ago as 1965, in his novel The Drought, he was describing a planet choked by chronic water shortages; yet in his more recent annotated updating of The Atrocity Exhibition, he takes a hearty swipe at "eco puritans", promotes pornography as "a powerful catalyst for social change" and expresses gratitude for the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, to which he attributes his survival.
Seated before his reconstituted Delvaux, Ballard is at home with his paradoxes. "Just because you're right, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be viewed with great suspicion." The gifts of modern life, the "mod cons" that have brought a kind of freedom to the inhabitants of the western world, "are gifts that come in poisonous wrapping paper. One has to handle them very carefully. But that's true of most of the valuable things in life."
Ballard on Ballard
What happens if you regard the whole of reality as a vast video game? I suspect you find yourself in an overheated realm rather close to The Atrocity Exhibition . . . Like its most notorious chapter, "Why I Want to Fuck Ronald Reagan", it all seemed more than a little far-fetched, but now, in 2008, we call it everyday reality. At the time, 1976, Reagan seemed a vital key to what was going wrong, both with America and the worldwide media landscape. He had become governor of California, but I was convinced he would make it to the presidency. Today only bad actors can lead a nation, as Reagan and Blair showed. Poor Gordon Brown needs six months at Rada and a tryout at the Old Vic.
"Reagan's personality. The profound anality of the presidential contender may be expected to dominate the United States in the coming years. By contrast the late JF Kennedy remained the prototype of the oral object, usually conceived in pre-pubertal terms. In further studies sadistic psychopaths were given the task of devising sex fantasies involving Reagan. Results confirm the probability of presidential figures being perceived primarily in genital terms; the face of LB Johnson is clearly genital in significant appearance - the nasal prepuce, scrotal jaw etc. Faces were seen as either circumcised (JFK, Khrushchev) or uncircumcised (LBJ, Adenauer). In assembly kit tests Reagan's face was uniformly perceived as a penile erection. Patients were encouraged to devise the optimum sex-death of Ronald Reagan.
Copyright Guardian News and Media Limited
From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Jun 18 13:42:08 2008
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (js3619 at ACMENET.NET)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:42:08 -0400
Subject: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.134208.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi.
Curiosity piqued? Then read on!
I was reading Popoff's biography on the band and in the early days, whilst
Rush was on tour with BOC, they apparently replaced the 'godjira roar' tape
with that of Mr. Ed neighing. Also, they thought the members of BOC were
pretty cool to hang out with, and special mention was given to Buck being
cool/good guitarist.
(Methinks the quote was from Alex L., but I don't have the book as it was a
birthday present to someone else.)
Listening to Get Yer Ya Yas Out --- such a mellow, weak album when compared
to OYF!
Jason.
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 18 16:13:02 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:13:02 -0500
Subject: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla
In-Reply-To: <daf111e5eec502294cd6d766db96f445@pop.acmenet.net>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.151302.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
oh god I just can't shut up.....
Rush, the band i saw every single show every single tour until they started
singing "we're not the priests, of the temples of syrinx", got the haircuts,
and worst of all...Geddy's hand puppetry on "spirit of radio" was it???
all these Canadian trios,,,,,,,and 2 with Rush in the title?? but anyway, I
used to get so pissed off that they couldn't have their pyrotechnics in
Dallas due to the fire ordinances
but my reasons for this mail: when I was in Boston likely over 20 years
ago, shopping for Hawkwind and Motorhead, I came across a bootleg tape of
Rush using the name of "the electric ladies"....what in hell was that
about???
also, I thought Alex sounded more like Steven Wilson than Steven Wilson on
"Fear Of Blank Planet"
lastly, they look so freeking "clean", at least Neil and Alex it frightens
me............
but I go now to read about them as my interest got sparked.......
On 6/18/08, js3619 at acmenet.net <js3619 at acmenet.net> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Curiosity piqued? Then read on!
>
> I was reading Popoff's biography on the band and in the early days, whilst
> Rush was on tour with BOC, they apparently replaced the 'godjira roar' tape
> with that of Mr. Ed neighing. Also, they thought the members of BOC were
> pretty cool to hang out with, and special mention was given to Buck being
> cool/good guitarist.
>
> (Methinks the quote was from Alex L., but I don't have the book as it was a
> birthday present to someone else.)
>
> Listening to Get Yer Ya Yas Out --- such a mellow, weak album when compared
> to OYF!
>
> Jason.
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jun 18 17:05:25 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:05:25 -0500
Subject: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806181313ga5bda71ifcf219a734699152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.160525.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 18 Jun 2008, at 15:13 , mike coleman wrote:
> all these Canadian trios,,,,,,,
I always kinda liked The Tea Party, though ... :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 18 18:24:41 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:24:41 -0500
Subject: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla
In-Reply-To: <CF2EA754-B7B0-43E6-B8D4-E91FA1FDED12@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.172441.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
and I always liked all those bands, to this day, in case I am misunderstood,
they just excited me more earlier
Rush is phenomenal talent......Triumph obviously went on to commercial
success, Frank was pretty cool,,,,,,all top,,,,except for one little tiny
problem.......Hawkwind......
I just love to remember my old friend mike sitting in my room shaking his
head going "it's not fair.....it's just not fair"...as the likes of
everything we knew was pulverized........
you've got me with the Tea Party...hopefully I'll figure it out....
On 6/18/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
> On 18 Jun 2008, at 15:13 , mike coleman wrote:
>
>> all these Canadian trios,,,,,,,
>>
>
>
> I always kinda liked The Tea Party, though ... :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 18 23:01:47 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:01:47 -0500
Subject: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806181524o1e3fa0d1odf14b49601307f36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.220147.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"quick, somebody help...this man isn't dying"
gotta add.....BOC doing Godzilla was about as fun and stimulating as
anything ever was......
On 6/18/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> and I always liked all those bands, to this day, in case I am
> misunderstood, they just excited me more earlier
> Rush is phenomenal talent......Triumph obviously went on to commercial
> success, Frank was pretty cool,,,,,,all top,,,,except for one little tiny
> problem.......Hawkwind......
> I just love to remember my old friend mike sitting in my room shaking his
> head going "it's not fair.....it's just not fair"...as the likes of
> everything we knew was pulverized........
> you've got me with the Tea Party...hopefully I'll figure it out....
>
>
> On 6/18/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2008, at 15:13 , mike coleman wrote:
>>
>>> all these Canadian trios,,,,,,,
>>>
>>
>>
>> I always kinda liked The Tea Party, though ... :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Edlund Anderson
>> http://www.carlaz.com/
>>
>
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jun 19 08:30:51 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:30:51 -0500
Subject: OFF: The Tea Party,
a Canadian trio (was Re: BOC: Anedote about Rush v. Godzilla)
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806181524o1e3fa0d1odf14b49601307f36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.073051.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 18 Jun 2008, at 17:24 , mike coleman wrote:
> you've got me with the Tea Party...hopefully I'll figure it out....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tea_Party
Now defunct, I believe, their records sounded to me like the Doors
jamming with Led Zeppelin somewhere in a North African souq. Good
fun :) though, alas, I never saw them live.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From steve.bishop at DB.COM Thu Jun 19 10:26:31 2008
From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:26:31 +0100
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806182001w71848105je0f9fe3897c43b58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.152631.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I'm starting to get a bit frustrated ..................?!
Dear Customer,
We wanted to give you an update on the status of your order #
We now have the delivery date(s) for the order you placed on 22 April 2008,
14:55 BST
(Order# 026-9843149-2337903). We have listed the item(s) below with
the expected delivery date(s):
Hawkwind (Artist) "Hawkwind - Knights Of Space" [DVD]
Estimated arrival date: 01/07/08 - 02/07/08
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From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 10:36:46 2008
From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:36:46 +0100
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
In-Reply-To: <OFED02303C.D14CB79B-ON8025746D.004F3E76-8025746D.004F5563@db.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.153646.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Still not as long a delay as Take Me To Your Leader when first announced.
Steve
On 6/19/08, Steve Bishop <steve.bishop at db.com> wrote:
>
> I'm starting to get a bit frustrated ..................?!
>
>
> Dear Customer,
>
> We wanted to give you an update on the status of your order #
>
> We now have the delivery date(s) for the order you placed on 22 April 2008,
> 14:55 BST
> (Order# 026-9843149-2337903). We have listed the item(s) below with
> the expected delivery date(s):
>
> Hawkwind (Artist) "Hawkwind - Knights Of Space" [DVD]
> Estimated arrival date: 01/07/08 - 02/07/08
>
> ---
>
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From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 11:38:43 2008
From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:38:43 EDT
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.113843.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I Can live with the wait; as long as it's not as bland as TMTYL when it does
arrive. In fact having been at the gig I know it won't be. And, added bonus,
we haven't got that clown Matthew Wright on this...................... so
maybe there is hope
Martin
From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 11:45:13 2008
From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:45:13 -0400
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
In-Reply-To: <OFED02303C.D14CB79B-ON8025746D.004F3E76-8025746D.004F5563@db.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.114513.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Aaah, the old time machine trick...
tim 8>)...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Steve Bishop <steve.bishop at db.com> wrote:
> I'm starting to get a bit frustrated ..................?!
>
>
> Dear Customer,
>
> We wanted to give you an update on the status of your order #
>
> We now have the delivery date(s) for the order you placed on 22 April 2008,
> 14:55 BST
> (Order# 026-9843149-2337903). We have listed the item(s) below with
> the expected delivery date(s):
>
> Hawkwind (Artist) "Hawkwind - Knights Of Space" [DVD]
> Estimated arrival date: 01/07/08 - 02/07/08
>
> ---
>
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 12:00:02 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:00:02 -0500
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
In-Reply-To: <d63946010806190736r1c4fd6c5l33b6089bfb62a7cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.110002.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
<<<<< ((<*>) ) On 6/19/08, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Still not as long a delay as Take Me To Your Leader when first announced.
but what about the copies I saw on ebay???I was thinkin' I need to get this,
somehow..(and Martin just confirmed)
From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 13:32:37 2008
From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:32:37 EDT
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.133237.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The copEbay listings are from people (like us) who don't have it yet.
They take the money but have nothing to send you for it.
Avoid.
Steve.
In a message dated 19/06/2008 17:01:00 GMT Standard Time,
insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes:
but what about the copies I saw on ebay???I was thinkin' I need to get this,
somehow..(and Martin just confirmed)
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 13:41:39 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:41:39 -0500
Subject: HW KOS
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.124139.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Travis Meeks helped me unlock the KOS rocketship.....
I never realised that it would be small and come to you....
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.boingboing.net/_dea_programs_forensicsci_microgram_mg1005_mg1005_fig13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/12/meth-dealers-use-mod.html&h=169&w=253&sz=86&tbnid=YtYWCX5ybhAJ::&tbnh=74&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmethamphetamine%2Btrunk%2Brocket%2Bphoto&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1
so I wonder if I can scoop him up and get the purple one out........
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Jun 19 14:55:06 2008
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:55:06 +0100
Subject: a hawkwind question for you
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806180818h3c84d995ya2cb345eb8a528f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.195506.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I would say that the following recent releases are
essential -
"Space Ritual" collectors edition - if only for the
alternative version of "You shouldn't Do That" and the
videos of "Silver Machine" and "Urban Guerilla"
"Greasy Truckers" - which has the full HW set and is
interesting for the embryonic version of "Brainstorm"
"Spaced Out in London" from Walthamstow 2002 also has
some interesting moments.
I don't know what TMTYL is but it ain't HW.
Cheers,
Mick
--- mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I am currently fed up with ebay.....retarded
> sellers, too expensive ship
> costs, etc
> so, drumroll with awkward moment.....
> of the CD material that's come out since 2002, what
> is priority if such a
> thing could be said??
> I got the "earthed" 2cd and it's awesome, in case
> anybody didn't know that,
> with previously unreleased material....
> also, if anyone has noticed any sneaky goings on
> with the compilation
> department, please tell me.....further, regarding
> the latest regurgitation
> of "bring me the head", did a turd get polished????
> I was listening to a bit of the version on the
> Brilliant label the other
> day, and I _thought_ it sounded like polishing was
> already taking place
> then.....but you certainly need to be dedicated to
> endure the quality....
>
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 15:28:52 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:28:52 -0500
Subject: a hawkwind question for you
In-Reply-To: <883530.76751.qm@web86207.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.142852.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Excellent!!! I had forgotten about the Greasy Truckers.......must get....
the SR collectors edition is superb, got that, and spaced out in london is
what I will chase.....that is the info I needed
thanks carl for the tea party link
thanks everyone....have a great eve, etc.....
now, about wilfried cutting me off.....hmmm
On 6/19/08, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at talk21.com> wrote:
>
> I would say that the following recent releases are
> essential -
>
> "Space Ritual" collectors edition - if only for the
> alternative version of "You shouldn't Do That" and the
> videos of "Silver Machine" and "Urban Guerilla"
>
> "Greasy Truckers" - which has the full HW set and is
> interesting for the embryonic version of "Brainstorm"
>
> "Spaced Out in London" from Walthamstow 2002 also has
> some interesting moments.
>
> I don't know what TMTYL is but it ain't HW.
>
> Cheers,
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
> --- mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > I am currently fed up with ebay.....retarded
> > sellers, too expensive ship
> > costs, etc
> > so, drumroll with awkward moment.....
> > of the CD material that's come out since 2002, what
> > is priority if such a
> > thing could be said??
> > I got the "earthed" 2cd and it's awesome, in case
> > anybody didn't know that,
> > with previously unreleased material....
> > also, if anyone has noticed any sneaky goings on
> > with the compilation
> > department, please tell me.....further, regarding
> > the latest regurgitation
> > of "bring me the head", did a turd get polished????
> > I was listening to a bit of the version on the
> > Brilliant label the other
> > day, and I _thought_ it sounded like polishing was
> > already taking place
> > then.....but you certainly need to be dedicated to
> > endure the quality....
> >
>
>
>
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>
From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Jun 19 17:21:40 2008
From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:21:40 +0100
Subject: Cannot sign up to the BOC Fans Forum
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.222140.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi all,
Don't know whether anyone on bocfans.com reads this list - I'm trying to
register; I've got the registration email and clicked on the link to
validate it (as is standard on all web forums nowadays). But when I
try to log on, it says it's never heard of me!
I'm trying to sign up using the same email address (the kalyr.com
domain). I saw the line about no free emails like Hotmail, but
kalyr.com isn't one of those - it's my primary email, and I own the domain!
--
Tim
http://www.kalyr.com/weblog
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jun 19 23:52:53 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (creature struggling on earth)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:52:53 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <THU.19.JUN.2008.225253.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
ok, I put in TMTYL tonight, since i too, was not particularily uplifted by
it
for me, for years, Hawkwind music has been a swish of medicine, and this
still provides it for me, however, my own critical eye would proclaim thus:
1) the letter to robert is a bit too silly.......while Arthur Brown is
awesome, IMHO he is not doing for us here what he once did on Calvert's
record
2) amusingly to me, Brock seems to contradict Richard regarding android
sex......
3) most important to me....since I am not a musician pardon my attempt to
describe here, ....the entire recording to me seems a bit "digitally
bright", almost muffled.....
I think I might like to see Hawkwind enter a different studio.....
4) we want Dave Brock to not hold back and kill us..............he's still
got it......
5) less percussiveness, more Simon King pounding........(although my friend
Mary Bruce would disagree here, she is put into trance by the drum click
tracks or whatever they are...)
now, playing TMTYF.....on random.....first up is Lemmy on Silver
Machine.....how cool is that????
do I still get to keep on struggling trying to incorporate into humanity or
is this where I am beheaded???
mc
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jun 20 05:59:45 2008
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:59:45 +0100
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806192052t1906c6cav52fe37b10a211006@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.105945.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Tis your opinion and no one can take it away from you.
I like rather a lot of it, but like yourself find some too Digital -
maybe because this was recorded on a MAC using Logic I believe, which
the band had to learn how to use, and have commented on the whole process.
working in the analog world you add Dirt and warmth throughout the
recording, mastering and pressing proccesses, giving you a warmer
sound, recording in the digital world you have to add that dirt back in
or it sounds clinical, harshly bright etc, maybe what you hear in parts
is where not enough dirt was added back in.
Then again , I could be talking old trousers cos i'm a drummer and
therefore not a musician :-)
Cheers Loike
Iain
creature struggling on earth wrote:
> ok, I put in TMTYL tonight, since i too, was not particularily uplifted by
> it
> for me, for years, Hawkwind music has been a swish of medicine, and this
> still provides it for me, however, my own critical eye would proclaim thus:
> 1) the letter to robert is a bit too silly.......while Arthur Brown is
> awesome, IMHO he is not doing for us here what he once did on Calvert's
> record
> 2) amusingly to me, Brock seems to contradict Richard regarding android
> sex......
> 3) most important to me....since I am not a musician pardon my attempt to
> describe here, ....the entire recording to me seems a bit "digitally
> bright", almost muffled.....
> I think I might like to see Hawkwind enter a different studio.....
> 4) we want Dave Brock to not hold back and kill us..............he's still
> got it......
> 5) less percussiveness, more Simon King pounding........(although my friend
> Mary Bruce would disagree here, she is put into trance by the drum click
> tracks or whatever they are...)
> now, playing TMTYF.....on random.....first up is Lemmy on Silver
> Machine.....how cool is that????
> do I still get to keep on struggling trying to incorporate into humanity or
> is this where I am beheaded???
> mc
>
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 06:35:57 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: Knights of Space put back again ?
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 20 10:20:24 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:20:24 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <485B7F91.70406@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.092024.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 20 Jun 2008, at 04:59 , iain ferguson wrote:
> I like rather a lot of it, but like yourself find some too Digital
> - maybe because this was recorded on a MAC using Logic I believe,
> which
> the band had to learn how to use, and have commented on the whole
> process.
> working in the analog world you add Dirt and warmth throughout the
> recording, mastering and pressing proccesses, giving you a warmer
> sound, recording in the digital world you have to add that dirt
> back in or it sounds clinical, harshly bright etc, maybe what you
> hear in parts is where not enough dirt was added back in.
I am a musician (though not a drummer ;) -- albeit a very amateur one
-- and most of my home recording is on a Mac using GarageBand, which
is basically Logic's little brother. And I think that the digital
vs. analogue issue to which you refer is not the "problem" in the
production on Hawkwind's recent recordings.
Honestly, the whole analog vs. digital recording (or playback) debate
is a bit silly these days; with the right equipment and (perhaps more
importantly) skills one can make extremely good recordings on either
analogue or digital equipment. Much of the perceived "analogue is
better" argument, I think, goes back to the early days of digital
recording when people simply weren't used to it. They are different
beasts, and if you spent all your life engineering analogue
recordings, you could easily run into some difficulties if you
expected digital to act like analogue (the famous example are a
suppose the differences between what happens when you overload the
signal on an analogue medium like magnetic tape, which tends to
produce a sort of natural compression effect, and what happens when
you overload signal to a digital medium, which tends to produce an
awful noise :). But since digital recording was introduced in the
late 70s, the cumulative benefits of more experience and better
equipment have lead to progressively better digital recordings.
(And, actually, one of the criticisms in early digital recordings was
that _more_ "dirt" in the form of ambient background noise, etc. was
being picked up than was typically with analog recordings.)
So I don't think the perceived problem in Hawkwind's case is
necessarily that of digital vs. analogue, even though surely Brock &
Co. probably have more years of experience in the analogue realm than
the digital. I think it's more that recording with a system like
Logic makes it incredibly easy to apply fantastic amounts of tweaking
and processing to everything, to add new layers than then tweak and
process them into the middle of next week as well. This is an
awesome temptation for the musician! And I think this is what
results in the kind of "muffled" sound Mike refers to -- it's
something I've noticed more an more of over the last decade or so of
Hawkwind records, particularly in the most recent studio outputs. I
think they (or Dave anyway) are just overcooking everything,
producing everything to death with piles of tweaking and effects.
When you've been working on a track for a few months and have become
way to familiar with every part in it, you adjust a few extra things
here and there and slip some new bit in -- and suddenly it sounds
great to you again .... But to the casual listener who never heard it
before, and may never hear it until they buy the disc, rip the song
to some relatively low bit rate MP3 and crank it through their iPod
earbuds ... it just sounds glossily muffled.
'Course, this is _all_ subjective. If one thinks that TMTYL is the
greatest thing ever, then "right on"! :) But IMO Hawkwind have been
progressively overcooking their recordings. If I were ruling the
world, I'd inflict a producer on them who would get them back to
basics -- or rather take away their control over the sound. :)
It's certainly possibly to use a zillion ingredients in the
production of an awesomely subtle curry that balances fire and
flavour on that scintillating knife edge of perfection. And it's
also possible to end up with a mess of confused ingredients -- in
which case, you may be better off just chucking a steak on the grill
(or, if one prefers, the vegetarian equivalent of such simplicity)
and having done with it. :)
But, ya know, mileage varies!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jun 20 10:39:23 2008
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:39:23 +0100
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <D3B8087C-AA21-460A-843B-1BACA4676982@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.153923.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Carl,
You may well be right and certainly I work in both Analog & digital
worlds with music, infact more digital these days.
the contstant tweaking & additions would easily give you a overcooked
(muddled) mix. I just wondered as the guys did have to spend a long time
recording it, ( didnt they have to start all over again ??) , that maybe
some of the first recording was left in there which would certainly take
you back 8 years and then digital coldness was still a real thing.
just looking at the SCHWA software synth to see if it has any lovely old
moog style swoops - Looks good (www.stillwellaudio.com) not a plug
Iain
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2008, at 04:59 , iain ferguson wrote:
>> I like rather a lot of it, but like yourself find some too Digital -
>> maybe because this was recorded on a MAC using Logic I believe, which
>> the band had to learn how to use, and have commented on the whole
>> process.
>> working in the analog world you add Dirt and warmth throughout the
>> recording, mastering and pressing proccesses, giving you a warmer
>> sound, recording in the digital world you have to add that dirt back
>> in or it sounds clinical, harshly bright etc, maybe what you hear in
>> parts is where not enough dirt was added back in.
>
>
> I am a musician (though not a drummer ;) -- albeit a very amateur one
> -- and most of my home recording is on a Mac using GarageBand, which
> is basically Logic's little brother. And I think that the digital vs.
> analogue issue to which you refer is not the "problem" in the
> production on Hawkwind's recent recordings.
>
> Honestly, the whole analog vs. digital recording (or playback) debate
> is a bit silly these days; with the right equipment and (perhaps more
> importantly) skills one can make extremely good recordings on either
> analogue or digital equipment. Much of the perceived "analogue is
> better" argument, I think, goes back to the early days of digital
> recording when people simply weren't used to it. They are different
> beasts, and if you spent all your life engineering analogue
> recordings, you could easily run into some difficulties if you
> expected digital to act like analogue (the famous example are a
> suppose the differences between what happens when you overload the
> signal on an analogue medium like magnetic tape, which tends to
> produce a sort of natural compression effect, and what happens when
> you overload signal to a digital medium, which tends to produce an
> awful noise :). But since digital recording was introduced in the
> late 70s, the cumulative benefits of more experience and better
> equipment have lead to progressively better digital recordings. (And,
> actually, one of the criticisms in early digital recordings was that
> _more_ "dirt" in the form of ambient background noise, etc. was being
> picked up than was typically with analog recordings.)
>
> So I don't think the perceived problem in Hawkwind's case is
> necessarily that of digital vs. analogue, even though surely Brock &
> Co. probably have more years of experience in the analogue realm than
> the digital. I think it's more that recording with a system like
> Logic makes it incredibly easy to apply fantastic amounts of tweaking
> and processing to everything, to add new layers than then tweak and
> process them into the middle of next week as well. This is an awesome
> temptation for the musician! And I think this is what results in the
> kind of "muffled" sound Mike refers to -- it's something I've noticed
> more an more of over the last decade or so of Hawkwind records,
> particularly in the most recent studio outputs. I think they (or Dave
> anyway) are just overcooking everything, producing everything to death
> with piles of tweaking and effects. When you've been working on a
> track for a few months and have become way to familiar with every part
> in it, you adjust a few extra things here and there and slip some new
> bit in -- and suddenly it sounds great to you again .... But to the
> casual listener who never heard it before, and may never hear it until
> they buy the disc, rip the song to some relatively low bit rate MP3
> and crank it through their iPod earbuds ... it just sounds glossily
> muffled.
>
> 'Course, this is _all_ subjective. If one thinks that TMTYL is the
> greatest thing ever, then "right on"! :) But IMO Hawkwind have been
> progressively overcooking their recordings. If I were ruling the
> world, I'd inflict a producer on them who would get them back to
> basics -- or rather take away their control over the sound. :)
>
> It's certainly possibly to use a zillion ingredients in the production
> of an awesomely subtle curry that balances fire and flavour on that
> scintillating knife edge of perfection. And it's also possible to end
> up with a mess of confused ingredients -- in which case, you may be
> better off just chucking a steak on the grill (or, if one prefers, the
> vegetarian equivalent of such simplicity) and having done with it. :)
>
> But, ya know, mileage varies!
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri Jun 20 10:40:28 2008
From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:40:28 -0400
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.104028.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I would agree with the opinion that Hawkwind recording at home has caused
them to lose some amount of perspective. I would like for them to enter a
real studio, Rockfield or wherever, with a producer, because that would tend
to introduce some real outside opinions as to whether the material is
sounding as it should.
John Majka
> On 20 Jun 2008, at 04:59 , iain ferguson wrote:
>> I like rather a lot of it, but like yourself find some too Digital -
>> maybe because this was recorded on a MAC using Logic I believe, which
>> the band had to learn how to use, and have commented on the whole
>> process.
>> working in the analog world you add Dirt and warmth throughout the
>> recording, mastering and pressing proccesses, giving you a warmer
>> sound, recording in the digital world you have to add that dirt back in
>> or it sounds clinical, harshly bright etc, maybe what you hear in parts
>> is where not enough dirt was added back in.
>
>
> I am a musician (though not a drummer ;) -- albeit a very amateur one --
> and most of my home recording is on a Mac using GarageBand, which is
> basically Logic's little brother. And I think that the digital vs.
> analogue issue to which you refer is not the "problem" in the production
> on Hawkwind's recent recordings.
>
> Honestly, the whole analog vs. digital recording (or playback) debate is
> a bit silly these days; with the right equipment and (perhaps more
> importantly) skills one can make extremely good recordings on either
> analogue or digital equipment. Much of the perceived "analogue is
> better" argument, I think, goes back to the early days of digital
> recording when people simply weren't used to it. They are different
> beasts, and if you spent all your life engineering analogue recordings,
> you could easily run into some difficulties if you expected digital to
> act like analogue (the famous example are a suppose the differences
> between what happens when you overload the signal on an analogue medium
> like magnetic tape, which tends to produce a sort of natural compression
> effect, and what happens when you overload signal to a digital medium,
> which tends to produce an awful noise :). But since digital recording
> was introduced in the late 70s, the cumulative benefits of more
> experience and better equipment have lead to progressively better digital
> recordings. (And, actually, one of the criticisms in early digital
> recordings was that _more_ "dirt" in the form of ambient background
> noise, etc. was being picked up than was typically with analog
> recordings.)
>
> So I don't think the perceived problem in Hawkwind's case is necessarily
> that of digital vs. analogue, even though surely Brock & Co. probably
> have more years of experience in the analogue realm than the digital. I
> think it's more that recording with a system like Logic makes it
> incredibly easy to apply fantastic amounts of tweaking and processing to
> everything, to add new layers than then tweak and process them into the
> middle of next week as well. This is an awesome temptation for the
> musician! And I think this is what results in the kind of "muffled"
> sound Mike refers to -- it's something I've noticed more an more of over
> the last decade or so of Hawkwind records, particularly in the most
> recent studio outputs. I think they (or Dave anyway) are just
> overcooking everything, producing everything to death with piles of
> tweaking and effects. When you've been working on a track for a few
> months and have become way to familiar with every part in it, you adjust
> a few extra things here and there and slip some new bit in -- and
> suddenly it sounds great to you again .... But to the casual listener who
> never heard it before, and may never hear it until they buy the disc, rip
> the song to some relatively low bit rate MP3 and crank it through their
> iPod earbuds ... it just sounds glossily muffled.
>
> 'Course, this is _all_ subjective. If one thinks that TMTYL is the
> greatest thing ever, then "right on"! :) But IMO Hawkwind have been
> progressively overcooking their recordings. If I were ruling the world,
> I'd inflict a producer on them who would get them back to basics -- or
> rather take away their control over the sound. :)
>
> It's certainly possibly to use a zillion ingredients in the production of
> an awesomely subtle curry that balances fire and flavour on that
> scintillating knife edge of perfection. And it's also possible to end up
> with a mess of confused ingredients -- in which case, you may be better
> off just chucking a steak on the grill (or, if one prefers, the
> vegetarian equivalent of such simplicity) and having done with it. :)
>
> But, ya know, mileage varies!
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 10:44:32 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:44:32 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <D3B8087C-AA21-460A-843B-1BACA4676982@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.094432.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
wowie!!!!!!
so while you guys get the technical part all patched up how's about this:
return to original mission statement: band is a black nightmare out to make
people's head's and sphincters explode....
slap governments in face and reduce to little schoolgirls....
my comment about Silver Machine popping up meant this to me: Lemmy is on
good terms with band......?
hopefully everyone has taken time to email the producers of Lemmy's movie
about the importance of Dave and whoever to be in it......
On 6/20/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2008, at 04:59 , iain ferguson wrote:
>
>> I like rather a lot of it, but like yourself find some too Digital - maybe
>> because this was recorded on a MAC using Logic I believe, which
>> the band had to learn how to use, and have commented on the whole process.
>> working in the analog world you add Dirt and warmth throughout the
>> recording, mastering and pressing proccesses, giving you a warmer sound,
>> recording in the digital world you have to add that dirt back in or it
>> sounds clinical, harshly bright etc, maybe what you hear in parts is where
>> not enough dirt was added back in.
>>
>
>
> I am a musician (though not a drummer ;) -- albeit a very amateur one --
> and most of my home recording is on a Mac using GarageBand, which is
> basically Logic's little brother. And I think that the digital vs. analogue
> issue to which you refer is not the "problem" in the production on
> Hawkwind's recent recordings.
>
> Honestly, the whole analog vs. digital recording (or playback) debate is a
> bit silly these days; with the right equipment and (perhaps more
> importantly) skills one can make extremely good recordings on either
> analogue or digital equipment. Much of the perceived "analogue is better"
> argument, I think, goes back to the early days of digital recording when
> people simply weren't used to it. They are different beasts, and if you
> spent all your life engineering analogue recordings, you could easily run
> into some difficulties if you expected digital to act like analogue (the
> famous example are a suppose the differences between what happens when you
> overload the signal on an analogue medium like magnetic tape, which tends to
> produce a sort of natural compression effect, and what happens when you
> overload signal to a digital medium, which tends to produce an awful noise
> :). But since digital recording was introduced in the late 70s, the
> cumulative benefits of more experience and better equipment have lead to
> progressively better digital recordings. (And, actually, one of the
> criticisms in early digital recordings was that _more_ "dirt" in the form of
> ambient background noise, etc. was being picked up than was typically with
> analog recordings.)
>
> So I don't think the perceived problem in Hawkwind's case is necessarily
> that of digital vs. analogue, even though surely Brock & Co. probably have
> more years of experience in the analogue realm than the digital. I think
> it's more that recording with a system like Logic makes it incredibly easy
> to apply fantastic amounts of tweaking and processing to everything, to add
> new layers than then tweak and process them into the middle of next week as
> well. This is an awesome temptation for the musician! And I think this is
> what results in the kind of "muffled" sound Mike refers to -- it's something
> I've noticed more an more of over the last decade or so of Hawkwind records,
> particularly in the most recent studio outputs. I think they (or Dave
> anyway) are just overcooking everything, producing everything to death with
> piles of tweaking and effects. When you've been working on a track for a
> few months and have become way to familiar with every part in it, you adjust
> a few extra things here and there and slip some new bit in -- and suddenly
> it sounds great to you again .... But to the casual listener who never heard
> it before, and may never hear it until they buy the disc, rip the song to
> some relatively low bit rate MP3 and crank it through their iPod earbuds ...
> it just sounds glossily muffled.
>
> 'Course, this is _all_ subjective. If one thinks that TMTYL is the
> greatest thing ever, then "right on"! :) But IMO Hawkwind have been
> progressively overcooking their recordings. If I were ruling the world, I'd
> inflict a producer on them who would get them back to basics -- or rather
> take away their control over the sound. :)
>
> It's certainly possibly to use a zillion ingredients in the production of
> an awesomely subtle curry that balances fire and flavour on that
> scintillating knife edge of perfection. And it's also possible to end up
> with a mess of confused ingredients -- in which case, you may be better off
> just chucking a steak on the grill (or, if one prefers, the vegetarian
> equivalent of such simplicity) and having done with it. :)
>
> But, ya know, mileage varies!
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 20 11:43:02 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:43:02 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806200744v1961e441o9a6d4372173f14ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.104302.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 20 Jun 2008, at 09:44 , mike coleman wrote:
> so while you guys get the technical part all patched up how's about
> this:
> return to original mission statement: band is a black nightmare
> out to make
> people's head's and sphincters explode....
> slap governments in face and reduce to little schoolgirls....
Well, that would probably help, too :)
> my comment about Silver Machine popping up meant this to me: Lemmy
> is on
> good terms with band......?
My sense is that Lemmy is on reasonable terms with Brock and retains
fond memories of Hawkwind -- he usually says as much in interviews,
always trotting out the observations that he really loved being in
Hawkwind and was devastated when they fired him but that, in
retrospect, they certainly did his career a favour. ;) However, I
think the Hawkestra experience probably cured him of any remaining
interest in doing anything with the Hawkcrowd! ;) What a train-
wreck ....
Now there is a point to be made that Motorhead's records soldier on
in good array. Their sound has evolved (believe it or not! ;) but
there is very little in the mix to distract you from the fact that
they are a very loud 3-piece rock'n'roll band. And, as I believe the
Lemmster has pointed out, so are (or should be) Hawkwind, just with
some extra Dr. Who noises tacked on top of it all. Listening to
recent HW studio output, however, one could be forgiven for missing
this basic functional similarity.
On the other hand, live output from recent years can be still pretty
ripping; go back and listen to those 2006 Roadburn recordings for
example (most of my ripped copies from the stream, I seem to have
lost, though I still have a few tracks). Check out that recording of
"The Right Stuff", f'r instance -- _that's_ the vibe we oughta be
expecting in a modern Hawkwind studio effort. Now that the trading
ban has been lifted, there's lots of recent HW audience recordings
floating around that show this. The actual recording quality by be a
bit dodgy, but the power of the band is (IMO) much more evident on
these than in the studio recordings from the last 10 years, at least.
Cheers,
Carl
ps - and after all that bitching about people copying the Roadburn
stream, did they ever release a CD version? Nope! I'd totally buy it
if they did: great set!
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 20 11:55:25 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:55:25 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <485BC11B.2020403@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.105525.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 20 Jun 2008, at 09:39 , iain ferguson wrote:
> You may well be right and certainly I work in both Analog & digital
> worlds with music, infact more digital these days.
Well, I guess everything is really an analogue digital hybrid these
days. After all, when I record my guitar or voice, it's still going
through an analog transfer before it becomes digital. And then,
whatever I do it the data once it's digital, it eventually gets
turned back into an analogue signal so my speakers can thwack at the
air and send me something I can hear. :)
Now that I think of it ... apart from some extremely amateur
recordings made to cassette when I was a kid -- and of course some
Das Ludicroix things recorded on ol' Larry's boombox -- virtually
every recording I've ever been on or made has been principally
digital. Even when my first ever band went into Chris Bruce's studio
back in the early '90s, we recorded on 24-track ADAT. (I still have
a demo CD from that, and if there are any problems with the
recording, they were neither digital coldness nor overproduction --
they were that we weren't very good! :)
> just looking at the SCHWA software synth to see if it has any
> lovely old moog style swoops - Looks good (www.stillwellaudio.com)
> not a plug
Mmmm, and they produce AU versions of most of the Schwa stuff that I
could drop into GarageBand. :) I haven't really worked out a way to
make good Hawkwindy swoosh-whoop noises in Garageband yet. I keep
hoping I can convince Scott Heller to do some stuff on his proper
synths :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
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http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 12:36:35 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:36:35 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <27DF253C-8E59-4C60-B68A-A6BD135DD2ED@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.113635.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> slap governments in face and reduce to little schoolgirls....
>> Carl: Well, that would probably help, too :)
>>
>> you guys are great......please forgive my loudness, it's because people in
>> Dallas are blinded to the deeper meaning in life and as a result II have
>> nothing but you good people.....
>>
>> I wish to tweak my comment here: IMHO at this point it isn't even so much
>> poking the political systems as the actual people themselves
>>
>> I am calling for evolution and now, and it's really the public's fault
>>
>> for instance, you guys know I am a firm believer that we are visited by
>> aliens in droves...me being one actually.....
>>
>> I was reading a UK report last night saying that UFO's are plasma that
>> affects the human mind to think they are seeing craft and being abducted and
>> such
>>
>> the most brilliant minds go the the most rediculous lengths to get rid of
>> the truth that we don't seem to be evolved enough yet to handle open
>> contact......
>>
>> if there is any actual alien interaction with governments it obviouly
>> isn't as ancient and evolved as my own roots so lets get on with the
>> dangerous business of th future, and hopefully for Hawkwind, business is
>> good!!!!!
>>
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 13:23:49 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:23:49 -0500
Subject: TMTYL (now off)
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.122349.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>
> ps - and after all that bitching about people copying the Roadburn stream,
> did they ever release a CD version? Nope! I'd totally buy it if they did:
> great set!
and of course, I am also a TOTAL IDIOT!!!! I ask for nothing these days and
since my name isn't Michelle, that's excatly what I get
it is a miracle this computer hasn't crashed yet but I think you guys are
going to get lucky soon
if there is anything good to be purchased please always point it out, I
don't download anything nor know how even if this old Dell with windows 98
would do it
bye
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 20 13:50:35 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:50:35 -0500
Subject: OFF: TMTYL (now off)
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806201023u1c3f8cepfbca677e8e02fc17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.125035.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 20 Jun 2008, at 12:23 , mike coleman wrote:
> I don't download anything nor know how even if this old Dell with
> windows 98
> would do it
Probably "yes", though might quickly fill up your hard-drive.
Virtually all the new music I've acquired in the last 8 months or so
has been downloaded -- mostly freely available live recordings (of
which there are _vast_ quantities). The CD shops where I am are
pretty much limited to a fairly mainstream selection, and not a very
wide mainstream at that. Mail ordering CDs and DVDs to my local
address is .... fraught with peril (ordering books seems safer,
though.) On the other hand, I have plenty of broadband internet on
tap! I can successfully buy downloads from places like
livedownloads.com but ... except the limited releases available
purchase at through such outfits, it's bizarre that I could download
pirated copies of many releases with almost infinite more ease than I
could buy them! Labels or musicians or both are seriously missing
out by not vending CD-quality (or better) digital downloads more
widely. (Yeah, I'm sure the average punter is happy with a 128kbps
single of the moment, but there remains a sizable market of people
who want good quality digital audio, and the overhead costs required
to reach that market are quite minimal by modern standards.)
Oh, well! I can beat this ragged old horse carcass to death
forever ..... ;)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Jun 20 14:24:08 2008
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:24:08 +0100
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806192052t1906c6cav52fe37b10a211006@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.192408.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
It would be interesting to hear the original version
of the album - wasn't it all re-recorded for some
reason?
Anyway I don't have a problem with the production - I
just don't like the songs on it. I've tried listening
to it many times and it does nothing at all for me.
And I HATE that plinkity-plonk jazz organ in the
background!
I'm afraid TMTYL has joined my other 'hardly ever
played' CDs (like Zones) :)
Mick
--- creature struggling on earth
<insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> ok, I put in TMTYL tonight, since i too, was not
> particularily uplifted by
> it
> for me, for years, Hawkwind music has been a swish
> of medicine, and this
> still provides it for me, however, my own critical
> eye would proclaim thus:
> 1) the letter to robert is a bit too
> silly.......while Arthur Brown is
> awesome, IMHO he is not doing for us here what he
> once did on Calvert's
> record
> 2) amusingly to me, Brock seems to contradict
> Richard regarding android
> sex......
> 3) most important to me....since I am not a musician
> pardon my attempt to
> describe here, ....the entire recording to me seems
> a bit "digitally
> bright", almost muffled.....
> I think I might like to see Hawkwind enter a
> different studio.....
> 4) we want Dave Brock to not hold back and kill
> us..............he's still
> got it......
> 5) less percussiveness, more Simon King
> pounding........(although my friend
> Mary Bruce would disagree here, she is put into
> trance by the drum click
> tracks or whatever they are...)
> now, playing TMTYF.....on random.....first up is
> Lemmy on Silver
> Machine.....how cool is that????
> do I still get to keep on struggling trying to
> incorporate into humanity or
> is this where I am beheaded???
> mc
>
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From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 15:53:37 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:53:37 -0700
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.125337.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Carl says:
>there is very little in the mix to distract you from the fact that
>they are a very loud 3-piece rock'n'roll band. And, as I believe the
>Lemmster has pointed out, so are (or should be) Hawkwind, just with
>some extra Dr. Who noises tacked on top of it all. Listening to
>recent HW studio output, however, one could be forgiven for missing
>this basic functional similarity.
I remember seeing them as a 3 piece on the Palace Springs tour and how surprised I was at the time to hear what they sounded like without the "icing", whether it be lead guitar, synth*, axe (literally), honking sax, or what have you... Bottom line - pretty damn good! Some songs were affected more than others of course. Levitation really sounded stripped down, Hassan I Sabha was hardly affected at all. :)
Steve
* they weren't entirely without synths - they either played or sequenced Golden Void for example...
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 16:53:02 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:53:02 -0500
Subject: OFF: TMTYL (now off)(open chat)
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.155302.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Was asking Mary about you today Carl.....we had talked about you before but
you came up again....nothing but nice things to say about you and Scott.....
I freak out on you guys being able to just hop around country to country and
do all the things you do
Of course I knew Larry and hadn't realised you had played with him
now that I finally took care of Jon, I can listen to the CD he sent me
that is wild about not being able to receive mail.....
regarding the downloads and music stuff...looks like one more evolutionary
barrier to be smashed
On 6/20/08, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at carlaz.com> wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2008, at 12:23 , mike coleman wrote:
>
>> I don't download anything nor know how even if this old Dell with windows
>> 98
>> would do it
>>
>
>
> Probably "yes", though might quickly fill up your hard-drive. Virtually
> all the new music I've acquired in the last 8 months or so has been
> downloaded -- mostly freely available live recordings (of which there are
> _vast_ quantities). The CD shops where I am are pretty much limited to a
> fairly mainstream selection, and not a very wide mainstream at that. Mail
> ordering CDs and DVDs to my local address is .... fraught with peril
> (ordering books seems safer, though.) On the other hand, I have plenty of
> broadband internet on tap! I can successfully buy downloads from places
> like livedownloads.com but ... except the limited releases available
> purchase at through such outfits, it's bizarre that I could download pirated
> copies of many releases with almost infinite more ease than I could buy
> them! Labels or musicians or both are seriously missing out by not vending
> CD-quality (or better) digital downloads more widely. (Yeah, I'm sure the
> average punter is happy with a 128kbps single of the moment, but there
> remains a sizable market of people who want good quality digital audio, and
> the overhead costs required to reach that market are quite minimal by modern
> standards.)
>
> Oh, well! I can beat this ragged old horse carcass to death forever .....
> ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 17:07:33 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:07:33 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <3296822016.39131545@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.160733.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
the palace springs tour a 3-piece?? where really?? I was actually at the
palace springs show, but it had Harvey, Richard, Dave, Alan.....4........are
you maybe referring to the next tour??
axe (literally) hahaha.
regarding Mick's comments...yeah it sounded like the band were telling us
they were gearing up to rock out a bit more
I love the unique song on Zones myself "Dangerous Vision"....and they gave
us a sweet LP jacket though didn't they!!
oh yeah Running Through the Back Brain too
On 6/20/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Carl says:
> >there is very little in the mix to distract you from the fact that
> >they are a very loud 3-piece rock'n'roll band. And, as I believe the
> >Lemmster has pointed out, so are (or should be) Hawkwind, just with
> >some extra Dr. Who noises tacked on top of it all. Listening to
> >recent HW studio output, however, one could be forgiven for missing
> >this basic functional similarity.
>
> I remember seeing them as a 3 piece on the Palace Springs tour and how
> surprised I was at the time to hear what they sounded like without the
> "icing", whether it be lead guitar, synth*, axe (literally), honking sax, or
> what have you... Bottom line - pretty damn good! Some songs were affected
> more than others of course. Levitation really sounded stripped down, Hassan
> I Sabha was hardly affected at all. :)
>
> Steve
>
> * they weren't entirely without synths - they either played or sequenced
> Golden Void for example...
>
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 18:17:08 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:17:08 -0700
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.151708.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I might be wrong to call it the Palace Springs tour. As I recall they were displaying the cover of it but the album wasn't actually out yet. I saw them at the Hideaway club in Ontario.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM>
Date: Friday, Jun 20, 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
the palace springs tour a 3-piece?? where really?? I was actually at the palace springs show, but it had Harvey, Richard, Dave, Alan.....4........are you maybe referring to the next tour??
>axe (literally) hahaha.
>regarding Mick's comments...yeah it sounded like the band were telling us they were gearing up to rock out a bit more
>I love the unique song on Zones myself "Dangerous Vision"....and they gave us a sweet LP jacket though didn't they!!
>oh yeah Running Through the Back Brain too
>
>
>On 6/20/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Carl says:
> >there is very little in the mix to distract you from the fact that
> >they are a very loud 3-piece rock'n'roll band. And, as I believe the
> >Lemmster has pointed out, so are (or should be) Hawkwind, just with
> >some extra Dr. Who noises tacked on top of it all. Listening to
> >recent HW studio output, however, one could be forgiven for missing
> >this basic functional similarity.
>
>> I remember seeing them as a 3 piece on the Palace Springs tour and how
> surprised I was at the time to hear what they sounded like without the
> "icing", whether it be lead guitar, synth*, axe (literally), honking sax, or
> what have you... Bottom line - pretty damn good! Some songs were affected
> more than others of course. Levitation really sounded stripped down, Hassan
> I Sabha was hardly affected at all. :)
>
>> Steve
>
>> * they weren't entirely without synths - they either played or sequenced
> Golden Void for example...
>
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 20 18:32:36 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:32:36 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806201407v13f451dct4b3cd3411884b7ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.173236.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 20 Jun 2008, at 16:07 , mike coleman wrote:
> the palace springs tour a 3-piece?? where really?? I was actually
> at the
> palace springs show, but it had Harvey, Richard, Dave, Alan.....4
And sometimes Simon, as well, to make it 5.
But I understand why Steve calls it a 3-piece -- and it very shortly
became one in the Electric Teepee period. Honestly, that little blob
of years between Palace Springs and Electric Teepee -- 89ish to 93ish
-- is one of my favorite Hawkwind periods. The return
IMO, Hawkwind _should_ be a 4-person 3-piece :) with guitar/bass/
drums ... and some actual human hands to helm the whooshy noises. (I
think of Nik's sax in the Space Ritual era as ... basically another
whooshy noise. ;) And much though I love Huw ... I never really felt
Hawkwind needed any guitarist other than Dave. Nothing says
"HAWKWIND!" to me like chugging Brockian power chords and wailing wah
solos. (Closely following by Lemmyish or Daveyish gut-rending bass
work ....). OK, Nik's sax and Simon's violin sometimes bring
additional texture and colours to the space that _could_ be occupied
by Dave's wah solos ... but I can get by with Dave. :)
So, I was really delighted with the basic return of the early-90s "3
piece" around 2003-2004 (rounded out with Jason Stuart on keys, etc.
There are some great live performances from the years thereafter. But
then I was not too impressed with TMTYL, which I thought should have
been at least as good as Electric Teepee, but I don't think it was.
Too much time screwing around with the mix and too many guest cooks
without enough good songs sounding sufficiently butt-kicking.
Well, if I ever get to hear Knights of Space, then perhaps I'll find
out how things are with Mr. Dibs handling the bass duties -- I'm not
sure I've downloaded any audience recordings with him on, yet.
Perhaps he'll manage to get them writing some new stuff ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 20 19:27:55 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:27:55 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <3296830626.39410956@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.JUN.2008.182755.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
((<*>))On 6/20/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I might be wrong to call it the Palace Springs tour. As I recall they were
> displaying the cover of it but the album wasn't actually out yet. I saw
> them at the Hideaway club in Ontario ((<*>))
cool....I remember looking across the falls going "shit, I wanna go over
there".....the pic of me taken there came in handy recently, to freak my
girlfried out who lives there.....
anyway, come to think of it, you're bloody right here, as to me, that was
the "xenon codex" tour.....complete with promo photo showing Huw and Danny
(I think) pasted on the club, at least in San Diego.....mighty confusing
that was
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jun 21 04:50:36 2008
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:50:36 -0400
Subject: Jerry Kranitz interviewed in new issue of QRD
Message-ID: <SAT.21.JUN.2008.045036.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The new issue of QRD (#38) is online now. The theme of this issue is record
store/mail order owners and I'm interviewed obout the (now closed) Aural
Innovations mail order store. Check it out at:
http://www.silbermedia.com/qrd/
QRD is published by Brian John Mitchell, who also runs the Silber Records
label. Check out the label site at: http://www.silbermedia.com/
It's been a busy week and I'm heading out of town in a few hours, but new
Aural Innovations radio shows will be online next weekend.
Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com)
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio & E-zine
Aural-Innovations.com
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sun Jun 22 08:25:55 2008
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:25:55 -0700
Subject: HW: PC run amok...
In-Reply-To: <D3B8087C-AA21-460A-843B-1BACA4676982@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.22.JUN.2008.052555.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Folks...
http://us.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06/21/britain.jargonbusters.ap/index.html
?
Hm...."Thought shower, here I go, Thought shower, flying low..."
?
Doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?
Happy Solstice...Grakkl
From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Jun 22 10:20:32 2008
From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:20:32 +0100
Subject: HW: PC run amok...
In-Reply-To: <781296.1854.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.22.JUN.2008.152032.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
We've had this for ages at my work and I refuse to use thought shower so now
call Hawkwind meetings instead! - some get the connection right off so there
are more of us than we thoguht and some highly unlikely people too.
Try it at your office and find those Hawkfans!
Steve
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Keith Henderson <khenders64 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi Folks...
>
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06/21/britain.jargonbusters.ap/index.html
>
> Hm...."Thought shower, here I go, Thought shower, flying low..."
>
> Doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?
>
> Happy Solstice...Grakkl
>
>
>
>
--
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/venthawktree
From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Sun Jun 22 10:47:41 2008
From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:47:41 +0200
Subject: HW: PC run amok...
In-Reply-To: <781296.1854.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.22.JUN.2008.164741.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:25:55 -0700, Keith Henderson wrote
> Hi Folks...
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06/21/britain.jargonbusters.ap/index.html
> ?
"Thought showers are for douche bags".... nah, too obvious.
> Hm...."Thought shower, here I go, Thought shower, flying low..."
> ?
> Doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?
Nope, but that's what you'll get when politicians and their minions touch a
thing: instant crap.
Gr,
Arjan H
--------------------------------
Rock in the 70ies:
substance inhalation, hotel devastation, and amplifier obliteration
From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jun 22 11:18:20 2008
From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:20 +0000
Subject: BOC: PTV3 "Stairway To The Stars" BOC reference
Message-ID: <SUN.22.JUN.2008.151820.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
CHECK THIS OUT ALL ON BOC AND NIK HEADERS: just to keep everyone on their toes in the world of BOC, on the recent?Psychic TV / PTV3 CD "Hell is invisible...... Heaven is H/ere", PSYCHIC TV have made a comeback with Genesis P. Orridge undergone a sex change after 12 years of silence, with an AWESOME ROCK LP, the above mentioned. Check out the Blue ?yster Cult reference to "Stairway To The Stars" monologue at the beginning of the first song. Its an awesome album actually, I got it from The Pirate Bay DOT Org but now have the real thing. If you like Psychic TVs rock pastiches of the past ("Godstar", "Je'ta Ime" and "Eve Of Destruction" for instance)?and Genesis P. Orridge 's collaborations with Hawkwind's Nik Turner, check out this definete return to the spotlight for Psychic TV as a band and as a recording act. Real trippy!
Regards
Acid?Cranium?666, Christian
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jun 22 22:39:27 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:39:27 -0500
Subject: (OFF, TS) BOC: PTV3 "Stairway To The Stars" BOC reference
Message-ID: <SUN.22.JUN.2008.213927.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> "Acid Cranium 666, Christian"
so you've caused me to recon with the sickest man (from?) Britain, something
I'd avoided,,,,,thanks?
speaking of craniums and thought showers it doesn't look like we'll be
getting our skulls modified to accomodate larger brains and that sleek
tapered look in the back anytime soon does it??
wonder how Nik's doing
From smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jun 22 23:23:04 2008
From: smithjm77x7 at GMAIL.COM (Jonathan Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:23:04 +0800
Subject: BOC: PTV3 "Stairway To The Stars" BOC reference
In-Reply-To: <226865.4545.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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Agreed the new PTV/PT3 rock album is brilliant. Can you explain the
reference to BOC? The voice talking about Frankenstein implants is also on
on PTV's house album ULTRAHOUSE (PTV is PTV whatever the 'genre'!) Nice
boobs Genesis has these days!
Genesis seemed somehow not well used when collaborating with Nik Turner-- he
didn't quite fit. He stuff goes much deeper than Nik Turner would ever
understand.
Look out for the new Throbbing Gristle album too-- not exactly easy
listening.
2008/6/22 Amphetamine Embalmer <superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk>:
> CHECK THIS OUT ALL ON BOC AND NIK HEADERS: just to keep everyone on their
> toes in the world of BOC, on the recent Psychic TV / PTV3 CD "Hell is
> invisible...... Heaven is H/ere", PSYCHIC TV have made a comeback with
> Genesis P. Orridge undergone a sex change after 12 years of silence, with an
> AWESOME ROCK LP, the above mentioned. Check out the Blue ?yster Cult
> reference to "Stairway To The Stars" monologue at the beginning of the first
> song. Its an awesome album actually, I got it from The Pirate Bay DOT Org
> but now have the real thing. If you like Psychic TVs rock pastiches of the
> past ("Godstar", "Je'ta Ime" and "Eve Of Destruction" for instance) and
> Genesis P. Orridge 's collaborations with Hawkwind's Nik Turner, check out
> this definete return to the spotlight for Psychic TV as a band and as a
> recording act. Real trippy!
> Regards
> Acid Cranium 666, Christian
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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>
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 06:49:40 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:49:40 +0100
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
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From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 23 07:49:11 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:49:11 -0700
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.044911.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
No no no no no... Steve wasn't being metaphorical or ironic when he refered to them as a 3 piece - there were actually 3 musicians on stage. :) Dave, Alan and #drummer who I was unfamiliar with at the time but who I have since been told was R Chadwick.
The most likely cause of the confusion is in me referring to it as the Palace Springs tour - because that was the album cover that they were displaying, even though I was told that it wasn't actually out yet. And this show definitely fell during that odd few years you mention - I recall it being about '91...
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
Date: Friday, Jun 20, 2008 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
On 20 Jun 2008, at 16:07 , mike coleman wrote:
the palace springs tour a 3-piece?? where really?? I was actually
at the
palace springs show, but it had Harvey, Richard, Dave, Alan.....4
And sometimes Simon, as well, to make it 5.
But I understand why Steve calls it a 3-piece -- and it very shortly
became one in the Electric Teepee period. Honestly, that little blob
of years between Palace Springs and Electric Teepee -- 89ish to 93ish
-- is one of my favorite Hawkwind periods. The return
IMO, Hawkwind _should_ be a 4-person 3-piece :) with guitar/bass/
drums ... and some actual human hands to helm the whooshy noises. (I
think of Nik's sax in the Space Ritual era as ... basically another
whooshy noise. ;) And much though I love Huw ... I never really felt
Hawkwind needed any guitarist other than Dave. Nothing says
"HAWKWIND!" to me like chugging Brockian power chords and wailing wah
solos. (Closely following by Lemmyish or Daveyish gut-rending bass
work ....). OK, Nik's sax and Simon's violin sometimes bring
additional texture and colours to the space that _could_ be occupied
by Dave's wah solos ... but I can get by with Dave. :)
So, I was really delighted with the basic return of the early-90s "3
piece" around 2003-2004 (rounded out with Jason Stuart on keys, etc.
There are some great live performances from the years thereafter. But
then I was not too impressed with TMTYL, which I thought should have
been at least as good as Electric Teepee, but I don't think it was.
Too much time screwing around with the mix and too many guest cooks
without enough good songs sounding sufficiently butt-kicking.
Well, if I ever get to hear Knights of Space, then perhaps I'll find
out how things are with Mr. Dibs handling the bass duties -- I'm not
sure I've downloaded any audience recordings with him on, yet.
Perhaps he'll manage to get them writing some new stuff ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Mon Jun 23 08:47:07 2008
From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:47:07 +0200
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <3297052152.45445939@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.144707.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:49:11 -0700, Steve Swann wrote
> No no no no no... Steve wasn't being metaphorical or ironic when he
> refered to them as a 3 piece - there were actually 3 musicians on
> stage. :) Dave, Alan and #drummer who I was unfamiliar with at the
> time but who I have since been told was R Chadwick.
>
> The most likely cause of the confusion is in me referring to it as
> the Palace Springs tour - because that was the album cover that they
> were displaying, even though I was told that it wasn't actually out
> yet. And this show definitely fell during that odd few years you
> mention - I recall it being about '91...
They were definitely a three piece band when Electric Tepee was just out. Saw
them in Liverpool in '92, IIRC. I think I still have the ticket, will check
tonight.
Gr,
Arjan H
From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 08:57:20 2008
From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:57:20 +0000
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <20080623124310.M17720@wolfpack.nl>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.125720.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
They were a three-piece from the end of August 1991, when Bridget played her last gig with them at Exeter, until Ron Tree joined on the US tour of 1995.
?
Ian
--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Arjan Hulsebos <arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL> wrote:
From: Arjan Hulsebos <arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL>
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:47 PM
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:49:11 -0700, Steve Swann wrote
> No no no no no... Steve wasn't being metaphorical or ironic when he
> refered to them as a 3 piece - there were actually 3 musicians on
> stage. :) Dave, Alan and #drummer who I was unfamiliar with at the
> time but who I have since been told was R Chadwick.
>
> The most likely cause of the confusion is in me referring to it as
> the Palace Springs tour - because that was the album cover that they
> were displaying, even though I was told that it wasn't actually out
> yet. And this show definitely fell during that odd few years you
> mention - I recall it being about '91...
They were definitely a three piece band when Electric Tepee was just out. Saw
them in Liverpool in '92, IIRC. I think I still have the ticket, will check
tonight.
Gr,
Arjan H
From youless at COX.NET Mon Jun 23 09:42:44 2008
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:42:44 -0400
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.094244.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:57:20 +0000, Ian Abrahams
<ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote:
>They were a three-piece from the end of August 1991, when Bridget played
her last gig with them at Exeter, until Ron Tree joined on the US tour of 1995.
>
>Ian
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
...all true, but for the North American tour they did in May 1991, the band
consisted of the core Brock / Davey / Chadwick trio. In fact Mr. Swann first
mentioned having seen them at the Hideaway Club in Ontario, and I have the
following listing for that gig:
Date: 17/5/1991 Musicians: Dave Brock
Town: St. Catherines Alan Davey
Venue: Hideaway Richard Chadwick
Set: Intro; Needle Gun; Treadmill; Time We Left; Heads; Time We Left;
Starflight; Ejection; Master Of The Universe; Blue Shift; Brainstorm;
Snake Dance; Night Of The Hawks; Levitation; Instrumental; Right Stuff;
Golden Void; Hassan-i-Sahba
They played that venue again in 1995 with the same trio + Ron Tree. But
going back to 1991, the line-up was pretty fluid with a European tour in March
& April of the Bemand / Bainbridge / Wishart / Davey / Chadwick band, then
the aforementioned trio doing the USA & Canada in May 1991, followed by
Brock / Davey / Chadwick / Wishart playing a few dates around the UK in July
& August. After which they reverted to the core trio for additional tours of
Europe (Sep-Oct) and the UK (Dec). What a schedule!
Steve
From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 09:46:54 2008
From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:46:54 +0000
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%200806230942444357.02A5@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.134654.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yes, quite right Steve, I was just taking Bridget's departure as the starting point for them 'officially' being a three-piece though you're right, they were a 3-piece earlier in 91 for the American tour.
--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Steve Youles <youless at COX.NET> wrote:
From: Steve Youles <youless at COX.NET>
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:42 PM
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:57:20 +0000, Ian Abrahams
<ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote:
>They were a three-piece from the end of August 1991, when Bridget played
her last gig with them at Exeter, until Ron Tree joined on the US tour of 1995.
>
>Ian
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
...all true, but for the North American tour they did in May 1991, the band
consisted of the core Brock / Davey / Chadwick trio. In fact Mr. Swann first
mentioned having seen them at the Hideaway Club in Ontario, and I have the
following listing for that gig:
Date: 17/5/1991 Musicians: Dave Brock
Town: St. Catherines Alan Davey
Venue: Hideaway Richard Chadwick
Set: Intro; Needle Gun; Treadmill; Time We Left; Heads; Time We Left;
Starflight; Ejection; Master Of The Universe; Blue Shift; Brainstorm;
Snake Dance; Night Of The Hawks; Levitation; Instrumental; Right Stuff;
Golden Void; Hassan-i-Sahba
They played that venue again in 1995 with the same trio + Ron Tree. But
going back to 1991, the line-up was pretty fluid with a European tour in March
& April of the Bemand / Bainbridge / Wishart / Davey / Chadwick band, then
the aforementioned trio doing the USA & Canada in May 1991, followed by
Brock / Davey / Chadwick / Wishart playing a few dates around the UK in July
& August. After which they reverted to the core trio for additional tours
of
Europe (Sep-Oct) and the UK (Dec). What a schedule!
Steve
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 23 10:00:51 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:00:51 -0700
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.070051.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yeah that would have been the show! And for what it's worth, the encore of Hassan I Sahba was one of the rockingest things I have ever heard. The audience was still singing the refrain as they started spilling out into the parking lot, slightly freaking out the cops on hand (though I'm sure not nearly so much as it would freak them out *these* days to hear a bunch of wild youths chanting in Arabic). :)
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Youles <youless at COX.NET>
Date: Monday, Jun 23, 2008 9:45 am
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:57:20 +0000, Ian Abrahams
<ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote:
>They were a three-piece from the end of August 1991, when Bridget played
her last gig with them at Exeter, until Ron Tree joined on the US tour of 1995.
>
>Ian
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
..all true, but for the North American tour they did in May 1991, the band
consisted of the core Brock / Davey / Chadwick trio. In fact Mr. Swann first
mentioned having seen them at the Hideaway Club in Ontario, and I have the
following listing for that gig:
Date: 17/5/1991 Musicians: Dave Brock
Town: St. Catherines Alan Davey
Venue: Hideaway Richard Chadwick
Set: Intro; Needle Gun; Treadmill; Time We Left; Heads; Time We Left;
Starflight; Ejection; Master Of The Universe; Blue Shift; Brainstorm;
Snake Dance; Night Of The Hawks; Levitation; Instrumental; Right Stuff;
Golden Void; Hassan-i-Sahba
They played that venue again in 1995 with the same trio + Ron Tree. But
going back to 1991, the line-up was pretty fluid with a European tour in March
& April of the Bemand / Bainbridge / Wishart / Davey / Chadwick band, then
the aforementioned trio doing the USA & Canada in May 1991, followed by
Brock / Davey / Chadwick / Wishart playing a few dates around the UK in July
& August. After which they reverted to the core trio for additional tours of
Europe (Sep-Oct) and the UK (Dec). What a schedule!
Steve
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 23 10:04:05 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:04:05 -0700
Subject: TMTYL
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.070405.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
You were in Niagara Falls in '91?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM>
Date: Friday, Jun 20, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: TMTYL
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
((<*>))On 6/20/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I might be wrong to call it the Palace Springs tour. As I recall they were
displaying the cover of it but the album wasn't actually out yet. I saw
them at the Hideaway club in Ontario ((<*>))
cool....I remember looking across the falls going "shit, I wanna go over there".....the pic of me taken there came in handy recently, to freak my girlfried out who lives there.....
anyway, come to think of it, you're bloody right here, as to me, that was the "xenon codex" tour.....complete with promo photo showing Huw and Danny
(I think) pasted on the club, at least in San Diego.....mighty confusing that was
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 23 10:14:29 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:14:29 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <3297060245.45831129@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.091429.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
no I apologize about that, too much info.....I was in Niagara in 95.....
I got confused about the tours for a second
On 6/23/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You were in Niagara Falls in '91?
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike coleman <insect.brain at GMAIL.COM>
> Date: Friday, Jun 20, 2008 7:30 pm
> Subject: Re: TMTYL
> To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To:
> BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
>
> ((<*>))On 6/20/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I might be wrong to call it the Palace Springs tour. As I recall they
> were
> displaying the cover of it but the album wasn't actually out yet. I saw
> them at the Hideaway club in Ontario ((<*>))
>
>
> cool....I remember looking across the falls going "shit, I wanna go over
> there".....the pic of me taken there came in handy recently, to freak my
> girlfried out who lives there.....
> anyway, come to think of it, you're bloody right here, as to me, that was
> the "xenon codex" tour.....complete with promo photo showing Huw and Danny
> (I think) pasted on the club, at least in San Diego.....mighty confusing
> that was
>
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jun 23 10:27:55 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:27:55 -0500
Subject: TMTYL
In-Reply-To: <3297060245.45831129@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.092755.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"On 6/23/08, Steve Swann <swann1066 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You were in Niagara Falls in '91"
no I got confused about the tours, that was 95, and I apologize, too much
info....didn't want to correct it with all my thought storms out there
so anyway, the way I remember your tour would be the "kings of speed, lords
of light" unauthorized cd, pretty sure.....and I do recall they were kicking
along strongly then
From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jun 23 11:33:25 2008
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:33:25 +0000
Subject: Hawkwind site on squidoo.com
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.153325.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I found this little site today, created by a woman in Conneticutt..Interesting link on there to the OEB Hawkfest 2002 commemorative mug too! http://www.squidoo.com/hawkwind
_________________________________________________________________
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From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jun 23 11:56:56 2008
From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:56:56 +0200
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
In-Reply-To: <200806231049.m5NAne9w015094@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.175656.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Mike
The YSDT version from ROADHAWKS is identical with the one from SR
REMASTERED.
It is indeed a recording from Brixton 30.12.1972
Cheers
Bernhard
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Behalf Of M Holmes
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Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
I was listening to the CD of Greasy Truckers. The last track
"Brainstorm(Jam)" has in the middle of it what I'm certain is "Seeing It As
You really Are" from the "Shouldn't Do That/Silver Machine Segue"
(SIaYRA is just before the break to Silver Machine) on Roadhawks.
Now, Roadhawks has been claimed to be the lost encore from Space Ritual
(because they couldn't get it all onto 4 sides of LP), but now it turns up
on Greasy Truckers instead.
So all you track experts out there, what gives?
FoFP
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with registration number SC005336.
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 12:37:16 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:37:16 +0100
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
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From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jun 23 13:14:24 2008
From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:14:24 +0200
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
In-Reply-To: <200806231637.m5NGbGcJ024010@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.191424.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Mike
On 13.02.1972 the SIaYRA segue was a partof BRAINSTORM
On 30.12.1972 the SIaYRA segue was a part of YSDT
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of M Holmes
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:37 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
bernhard.pospiech writes:
> Hi Mike
>
> The YSDT version from ROADHAWKS is identical with the one from SR
> REMASTERED.
> It is indeed a recording from Brixton 30.12.1972
Does it have the SIaYRA segue? If so, why is it also on the Greasy Truckers
CD?
- A Puzzled FoFP
>
>
> Cheers
> Bernhard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
>
> I was listening to the CD of Greasy Truckers. The last track
> "Brainstorm(Jam)" has in the middle of it what I'm certain is "Seeing
> It As You really Are" from the "Shouldn't Do That/Silver Machine Segue"
> (SIaYRA is just before the break to Silver Machine) on Roadhawks.
>
> Now, Roadhawks has been claimed to be the lost encore from Space
> Ritual (because they couldn't get it all onto 4 sides of LP), but now
> it turns up on Greasy Truckers instead.
>
> So all you track experts out there, what gives?
>
> FoFP
>
>
> --
> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>
--
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland,
with registration number SC005336.
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 13:32:03 2008
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:32:03 +0100
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
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From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jun 23 13:59:21 2008
From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:59:21 +0000
Subject: The OEBs are seeking bookings from August-December 2008
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Hello, we are looking for dates in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Delaware.
Hello, This is Mike Burro of the boogie/blues band 'The One Eyed Bishops and the Hawkwind related spacerock project Sloterdijk. We are seeking acoustic or electric date(s ) for for July through December 2008. As an added feature we will feature 'Stewkey' lead singer of the legendary Philly psych-pop band 'Nazz'( Hello it's Me, Open my Eyes ), as a special guest vocalist. There are some pics of the band, live videos and more on this myspace site http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 or some old info and links( including press ) at http://www.freewebs/oebs
The One Eyed Bishops play blues/boogie/skiffle and rock-n-roll. We are loosely related to the British 'spacerock' band Hawkwind, which we have worked with and supported, in Europe, The UK and The US. Guests on our 2003 CD release 'The School of Rock-n-Roll ( recorded in Redhill Surrey UK) included Chas Mcdevitt ( UK skiffle legend ), The Downliners Sect, Bill Kingston of The Wild Angels etc. We have worked alongside Cuba Gooding senior, Nik Turner ( Hawkwind ),Paul Hirsh ( Status Quo), Al Bouchard's ( Blue Oyster Cult ) Brain Surgeons, NAZZ, The Downliners Sect, Vince Martell ( Vanilla Fudge ) and many others. We are looking for Friday or Saturday night gigs. * ( weeknight gigs available in the immediate Philadelphia south Jersey area only ). Please rsvp as soon as possible if interested. also see: http://www.myspace.com/nazzfeaturingstewkeyPhilly Burbs link about Stewkey's recent appearance in Trenton http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php?p=30558&cat=151
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From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Jun 23 14:29:45 2008
From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:29:45 +0200
Subject: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
In-Reply-To: <200806231732.m5NHW327027442@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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Hi Mike
Just listened to both.
They are different versions
Bernhard
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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Space Ritual Encore Mystery - Bernhard?
bernhard.pospiech writes:
> Hi Mike
>
> On 13.02.1972 the SIaYRA segue was a partof BRAINSTORM On 30.12.1972
> the SIaYRA segue was a part of YSDT
Listen to Greasy Truckers and then to Roadhawks. I think it's the same
recording of SiAYRA.
FoFP
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jun 23 14:40:41 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:40:41 +0100
Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806100913l3f1b78fq9818e449056195e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.194041.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:13:18AM -0500, mike coleman typed out:
> thanks for doing that Steve, I just played the second disc, where curiously
> my hex on the last track is gone....Jon did you cause this??? so anyway, my
> take is this: FWIW .....there is sneaky things in them hills.....the Angels
> Of Life is so freekin' awesome that if this version in it's exactness (as
> found here) isn't to be had elsewhere then the virtual wallets must come
> out.......
I didn't do it! I don't have that kind of power, in fact any
kind at the moment really. But I agree with you about that `Angels of
Death'; it is the principal reason I don't mind owning a CD that
includes `British Tribal Music'... Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Ramones - _Hey! Ho! Let's Go! Anthology_
--
"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
From asg at MVDBASE.COM Mon Jun 23 16:31:29 2008
From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:31:29 +0200
Subject: OFF: Feedback needed
Message-ID: <MON.23.JUN.2008.223129.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks,
The past couple of months I've been working with some musician friends on a
concept album of sorts. Mitch writes the music, Serge (of Skeem) sings and I
write the lyrics. We've done 6 tracks so far (with a 7th on the way), though
only one is currently available online on our MySpace page, right here:
http://www.myspace.com/msaproject31
I would be very interested in getting some feedback.
Thanks in advance.
Alex.
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jun 24 08:42:11 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:42:11 -0500
Subject: (HW) Fwd: Greetings
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.074211.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Mike,
Since I don't have the address of the BOC group on hand, would you please
let them know I'm back. Many thanks.
Love,
Mare
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jun 24 08:55:21 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:55:21 +0100
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <b65d0adc0806110728g4dafdec6k4a39625a3f357d8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.135521.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28:54AM -0400, Mike Montfort typed out:
> Well I thought that the last live and two previous Studio albums from 2OC
> were quite good actually.
They were still 3?C then, too, just barely, though I couldn't
say that Allen really made a difference to CotHM. I never play that one,
but _Heaven Forbid_ still gets the odd spin despite the awful Shirley
lyrics.
> I don't look at those last three as back catalog. 2OC is alive and well in
> mind mind, though I don't recall a new song on the last tour...
Or since CotHM came out, in fact, am I right? Which was,
allmusic.com tells me but I'm not sure if I believe it, seven years ago
already. I don't think we can really call B?C a productive unit at this
time, much though I'd like to. Yours,
Jon
--
"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jun 24 13:10:57 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:10:57 +0100
Subject: BOC: contemporary review of Imaginos CD re-release.
In-Reply-To: <CB5822BB-89B9-4B5A-9CB4-3B091596B6CE@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.181057.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:21:50AM -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out:
> Well, completely leaving aside the issue of how good any of them
> were, it has been some 7 years since the last studio album, no? Even
> latter Metallica is scarcely so slow ... ;)
Oh, someone already did the numbers, I'm sorry...
<snip>
> How long does it take until something becomes back catalog? :) Or
> are only a band's "original lineup" albums qualified for the back
> catalog? (Though calculating that then becomes complicated for bands
> whose lineups changed with relative frequency, like say the Allman
> Brothers or Jethro Tull ... or Hawkwind! :)
Would it be harsh to suggest that something's back catalogue,
either when it's not the most recent album, or when its songs are
dropped from the setlist, whichever happens sooner? Because they did two
songs from _Heaven Forbid_ in London but none from CotHM. Have they done
anything from it this tour? Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Meatpuppets - _Live in Montana_
--
"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:13:20 +0000
Subject: SKOOKAPALOOZA FESTIVAL POSTPONED OEBs pull out
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.181320.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
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From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Wed Jun 25 08:02:34 2008
From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:02:34 +0100
Subject: HW: More stuff offered
Message-ID: <WED.25.JUN.2008.130234.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I am continuing getting rid of stuff, are there any takers for:
These tour progs, not in excellent condition.
sonic attack tour prog
CYM tour prog
1988 tour prog (signed by harvey and danny thompson)
masters/79 tour prog
levitation tour prog
lyric book (signed by harvey, dave B and Dave anderson)
Motorhead book (by Alan Burridge)
and the following CDs
The 25 years on boxed set, with books ' Futher extracts from the
Hawkwind Log ' and Ledge of Darkness. Both are in Good condition. Outer
box has damage
Ambient anarchists
Area S4 EP
canterbury fayre
cosmic travellers
EBS sampler
epoch eclipse 30 yr anthology
eternal sky (anubian lights)
family tree
future reconstructions
gimme shelter
jackal and 9 (anubian lights)
rocking vickers
live at glastonbury 1990
lord of light
love in space remixes
magick (Tim B)
new anatomy (ICU)
quark single
space bandits
strange trips and pipe dreams
test tube conceived (Bob C)
the business trip
the new world fair (deep fix)
the spirit of the age CD singles 1 + 2
tide of the century (Tim B)
white zone
yassassim (Simon H)
drop me a line if you are interested, cheap prices otherwise they'll go
to a charity shop, which would be a waste (although it could change
someone's life)
Big Mike
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From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 25 14:39:45 2008
From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:39:45 EDT
Subject: Warrior Digi-Pak?...
Message-ID: <WED.25.JUN.2008.143945.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
This is new to me...
_http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQite
mZ260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQitemZ
260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Steve.
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jun 25 17:05:32 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:05:32 -0500
Subject: Warrior Digi-Pak?...
In-Reply-To: <d49.30a6162f.3593eaf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <WED.25.JUN.2008.160532.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
yes, I mentioned it months ago when only one copy was in our midst
now, what to do about breaking free of alien control?
On 6/25/08, StevePXR5 at aol.com <StevePXR5 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> This is new to me...
> _
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQite
> mZ260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
> (
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQitemZ
> 260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
>
>
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jun 26 18:34:50 2008
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:34:50 +0100
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
In-Reply-To: <3296448436.27680148@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.26.JUN.2008.233450.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:07:17AM -0700, Steve Swann typed out:
> Btw, that "banging synthesizer music" :) is Vangelis' closing title
> music from Blade Runner.
I thought it probably was, and I knew that's what they usually
play; but I've only ever seen the Director's Cut of _Blade Runner_,
which doesn't have the Vangelis soundtrack; so if they'd changed it, I
wouldn't know. Decided to be safe rather than sorry :-) Yours,
Jon
Ob2LP: Bevis Frond - _Son of Walter_
--
"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?"
(Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206)
Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jun 26 19:00:56 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:00:56 -0500
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
In-Reply-To: <20080626223450.GE7649@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.26.JUN.2008.180056.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 26 Jun 2008, at 17:34 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:07:17AM -0700, Steve Swann typed out:
>> Btw, that "banging synthesizer music" :) is Vangelis' closing title
>> music from Blade Runner.
>
> I thought it probably was, and I knew that's what they usually
> play; but I've only ever seen the Director's Cut of _Blade Runner_,
> which doesn't have the Vangelis soundtrack; so if they'd changed it, I
> wouldn't know. Decided to be safe rather than sorry :-)
You are charged to fare forth and bring back a copy of Vangelis's
_Blade Runner_ soundtrack. It's quite good. :)
(OK the third disc of the 3-disc version is a bit .. strange, but the
1st disc from that set, which is the entire 1994 release is quite
solid. There are various bootleg versions, too .... the complexities
of which defeat me ;)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From swann1066 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 27 07:58:19 2008
From: swann1066 at GMAIL.COM (Steve Swann)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:58:19 -0700
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
Message-ID: <FRI.27.JUN.2008.045819.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The long and the short of it is that a proper studio-released version of the soundtrack, with all the good instrumental bits (uninterrupted by dialog and various sound fx from the film) has never been released. All the soundtrack albums are some kind of compromise.
And btw, all official released versions of the film feature the Vangelis soundtrack. And the Director's Cut has a very dramatic abrupt ending, with the elevator doors slamming in your face, which then cuts immediately to the closing credits featuring said banging synthesizer music that started this chat. :)
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at CARLAZ.COM>
Date: Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
To: Reply- BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
On 26 Jun 2008, at 17:34 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:07:17AM -0700, Steve Swann typed out:
> Btw, that "banging synthesizer music" :) is Vangelis' closing title
> music from Blade Runner.
> I thought it probably was, and I knew that's what they usually
play; but I've only ever seen the Director's Cut of _Blade Runner_,
which doesn't have the Vangelis soundtrack; so if they'd changed it, I
wouldn't know. Decided to be safe rather than sorry :-)
You are charged to fare forth and bring back a copy of Vangelis's
_Blade Runner_ soundtrack. It's quite good. :)
(OK the third disc of the 3-disc version is a bit .. strange, but the
1st disc from that set, which is the entire 1994 release is quite
solid. There are various bootleg versions, too .... the complexities
of which defeat me ;)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jun 27 09:18:36 2008
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:18:36 -0500
Subject: BOC - UK Tour Dates Announced!
In-Reply-To: <3297398298.7971638@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.JUN.2008.081836.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 27 Jun 2008, at 06:58 , Steve Swann wrote:
> And btw, all official released versions of the film feature the
> Vangelis soundtrack. And the Director's Cut has a very dramatic
> abrupt ending, with the elevator doors slamming in your face, which
> then cuts immediately to the closing credits featuring said banging
> synthesizer music that started this chat. :)
Yes, I was wondering about that -- I haven't seen the film in a while
(and last year's "Final Cut" version not at all! Shame on me ...),
but I am sure I would have noticed had the score gone missing!
I think I have a dodgy MP3 version of one of the more comprehensive
bootlegs, as well as the official 1CD 1994 and 25th anniversary three-
fer releases, and while I don't entirely understand why there hasn't
just been an official "bootleg superseding release" (since the music
presumably already exists and you know you'd make money as all the
Vangelis and/or Blade Runner fans rushed out to buy it _again_).
Nevertheless, I think the coolest stuff is on the 1994.release=disc.
1.of.the.25th-anniv.release. And so Jon should go out and find
that :) for the BOC angle if naught else :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 27 12:51:47 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:51:47 -0500
Subject: Warrior Digi-Pak?...
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806251405j14d52b9et1f4d5a5fe048c76e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.JUN.2008.115147.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
well, in keeping with representing the future, how about a "japanized"
version??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160255420146&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
On 6/25/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes, I mentioned it months ago when only one copy was in our midst
> now, what to do about breaking free of alien control?
>
>
> On 6/25/08, StevePXR5 at aol.com <StevePXR5 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is new to me...
>> _
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQite
>>
>> mZ260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
>> (
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQitemZ
>> 260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 27 13:30:43 2008
From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:30:43 +0100
Subject: Warrior Digi-Pak?...
In-Reply-To: <17d80c610806270951i4db0d4b5s86d4d4863869e6a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.JUN.2008.183043.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Will it never end?????
And why Smashing Pumpkins!
Steve
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:51 PM, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com>
wrote:
> well, in keeping with representing the future, how about a "japanized"
> version??
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160255420146&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>
>
> On 6/25/08, mike coleman <insect.brain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > yes, I mentioned it months ago when only one copy was in our midst
> > now, what to do about breaking free of alien control?
> >
> >
> > On 6/25/08, StevePXR5 at aol.com <StevePXR5 at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is new to me...
> >> _
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQite
> >>
> >>
> mZ260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
> >> (
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hawkwind-Warrior-On-The-Edge-Of-Time-Bonus-Digi_W0QQitemZ
> >>
> 260252585096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
> >>
> >> Steve.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jun 27 13:42:10 2008
From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:10 -0500
Subject: Warrior Digi-Pak?...
In-Reply-To: <d63946010806271030q38bed523jadc6e0edcac0825b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.JUN.2008.124210.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 6/27/08, Steve Freight <stevefreight at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Will it never end?????
>
> And why Smashing Pumpkins!
> Steve
Hi, I wanted to apologize, that this one may not be a digipak, but didn't
want to send another post
back when I still was alive, I used to like getting this type of thing, and
while I'm on it, did anyone else get the Hawkwind BBC "japanized" version,
and if so, did you notice the ink on the cd was a diff shade than the normal
ones???
anyway, I wondered what that cover art was, thanks, and I suspect he got
that on there by accident, I have seen this happen quite a bit now, but I
feel certain he is offering a Warrior disc!
ps- I have never got ANY of the Rock Fever boots, does the Warrior have any
different mixing or any reason I need it??
From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jun 28 05:42:26 2008
From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (Mary Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:42:26 -0400
Subject: I'm back
Message-ID: <SAT.28.JUN.2008.054226.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Greetings friends,
My hard drive crashed among other things. My computer blew its circuits
because I didn't have enough memory. If I'd waited 3 more days for Chris to
return the info would have been backed up, I've lost everything, including
all my addresses. If anyone can I'd really like to get messages sent to me
personally off-list, since I saved all my letters. If not, I'll get them
back in time when Chris gets around to getting them off the old drive. He
has a computer of his own to build for his work so he'll be putting most of
his energy into that, and once he starts with that machine he needs me to
remind him to get up and move his body a bit. We're doing well, and it's
nice to be back. I'm really looking forward to Dave's Spacerock Sundays
again.
Ass Besta would say (Babylon 5), be seing you.
Fly high, and free,
Kaduflyer
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jun 30 16:48:18 2008
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:48:18 -0700
Subject: Blade Runner soundtrack article
Message-ID: <MON.30.JUN.2008.134818.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"Massive Attack's triumphant rendering of Vangelis' Blade Runner soundtrack
with the Heritage Orchestra helps the movie legend live on."
http://tinyurl. com/4n888p
Al
From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Mon Jun 30 17:14:12 2008
From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:14:12 -0400
Subject: BOC: Imaginos/Salvadore Dali Connection?
Message-ID: <MON.30.JUN.2008.171412.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Was readin this article:
<http://www.nypost.com/seven/06302008/entertainment/theater/lights__camera__dali_117908.htm>
and this caught my eye:
"The Disney project got farther. For eight months, Dali collaborated with
animator John Hench on a six-minute short set to a Mexican ballad titled
"Destino," which Dali saw as the story of a mortal girl in love with the
god of time."
I wonder if Love makes her Blind?
--EF
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"Until Further Notice I am Unique!"