From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jul 1 07:45:29 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:45:29 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JULY 1, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #179), and The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #21). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #179) Mooch - "Damien's Drums" (from Dr Silbury's Liquid Brainstem Band) Mooch - "Silver Violet Flame" (from Dr Silbury's Liquid Brainstem Band) The Ob-Test - "Pooch" (from forthcoming Space Cheese Troopers) Amp - "Get There" (from All Of Yesterday Tomorrow) Litmus - "Far Beyond" (from Planetfall) The Space Pirates - "Kaptain Kaputnik's Holiday" (from Avast Beyond) Lucifer Was - "The Divine Tree" (from The Divine Tree) ST 37 - "I Let it Slip Away" (from And Then What) Bedtime Story - "Pearl - Chapter II" (from Bedtime Story) Marble Sheep - "Mana" (from Message From Oarfish) S/T - "Departure (It's Over)" (from The Difficult Second Album) Lord Brain - "Rings-Floating" (from Enlightenment from Space) Word of Life - "Way to Go" (from Dust) The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #21) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Psychedelia, Space Rock, Progressive Rock and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) Dave Corwin - The Root Layne - Smear Karnataka - One Breath Away Hemisphere - The Last Event Herboreah - Schizoid Indiscipline Part 2 Jade Warrior - Have You Ever Hilda - Overly Fancy Story The Hitchers - Perfect World Lee Limerick - Mirror Of You Malarkey - Jigsaw Man The Mark Austin Band - Northside Story Tim Mungenast - Confidence Man Mystery Juice - Cursed With Good Fortune Nothing 2 Declare - Renvier http://Aural-Innovations.com From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sun Jul 1 10:34:43 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:34:43 -0400 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <4685DAAF.8090800@vacano.org> Message-ID: Hey Debora, I think I should go to the acid camp too, since the kids seem to have all of it. We'll share the gold meddle. Kaduflyer From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Jul 1 18:43:36 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:43:36 +0100 Subject: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions Message-ID: As you can guess from my recent posts, I'm currently sorting out a pile of Hawkwind recording on the computer. ;) Some of my CDs are in the US, some in the UK, in whilst traveling back and forth in recent years, I've occasionally ripped a track or two here and there -- and now I can't always remember what they came from! I'm trying to identify a (plausible) album release for a version of "Watching the Grass Grow". The Codex says there are only two HW releases of this, so unless I've got an ICU version here (!?), it must be one of those. The one I have starts with someone announcing "I'd like to present to you the night, and the... and the future." Or something like that. Then Nik does his "We are the survivors" etc. thing and the song starts. I think this is the 20 June 1984 Stonehenge recording ... but if so, where was that released? Is it _Undisclosed Files_? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From youless at COX.NET Sun Jul 1 19:17:32 2007 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:17:32 -0400 Subject: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions Message-ID: No it's the other version, first heard on the live album "This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic", but you're right about it being from Stonehenge on 20th June 1984. If you have the Solstice At Stonehenge DVD reissue, it's on there, recorded during the night-time set... --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:43:36 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >I'm trying to identify a (plausible) album release for a version of >"Watching the Grass Grow". The Codex says there are only two HW >releases of this, so unless I've got an ICU version here (!?), it >must be one of those. The one I have starts with someone announcing >"I'd like to present to you the night, and the... and the future." >Or something like that. Then Nik does his "We are the survivors" >etc. thing and the song starts. I think this is the 20 June 1984 >Stonehenge recording ... but if so, where was that released? Is it >_Undisclosed Files_? > >Cheers, >Carl From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Jul 1 19:19:44 2007 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:19:44 EDT Subject: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions Message-ID: Sounds like the version from the original issue of Do Not Panic This Is Hawkwind (Live From Stonehenge) This was originally a double vinyl, a full length 12 inch of early eishties live Hawkwind, and a second vinyl 12 inch of shorter duration that included Watching The Grass Grow, which I believe is the version you seek. I think that the date is correct for the shorter record. Yours, Eli In a message dated 7/1/07 6:44:20 PM, cea at CARLAZ.COM writes: > I'm trying to identify a (plausible) album release for a version of? > "Watching the Grass Grow".? The Codex says there are only two HW? > releases of this, so unless I've got an ICU version here (!?), it? > must be one of those.? The one I have starts with someone announcing? > "I'd like to present to you the night, and the... and the future."?? > Or something like that.? Then Nik does his "We are the survivors"? > etc. thing and the song starts.? I think this is the 20 June 1984? > Stonehenge recording ... but if so, where was that released?? Is it? > _Undisclosed Files_? > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 04:09:35 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:09:35 +0100 Subject: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Jul 2007, at 00:17, Steve Youles wrote: > No it's the other version, first heard on the live album "This Is > Hawkwind, Do > Not Panic", but you're right about it being from Stonehenge on 20th > June > 1984. If you have the Solstice At Stonehenge DVD reissue, it's on > there, > recorded during the night-time set... On 02 Jul 2007, at 00:19, EliPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > Sounds like the version from the original issue of Do Not Panic > This Is > Hawkwind (Live From Stonehenge) This was originally a double vinyl, > a full length > 12 inch of early eishties live Hawkwind, and a second vinyl 12 inch > of shorter > duration that included Watching The Grass Grow, which I believe is > the version > you seek. I think that the date is correct for the shorter record. Yup, it would make sense that it's from _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_, since I definitely have a CD of that (albeit in the US right now), and probably would have scooped a few tracks off it. I just didn't remember the spoken intro that came before Nik's "We are the survivors ...", which made me wonder if it was a different source or something .... But I guess not! Thanks guys, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 04:13:55 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:13:55 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? Message-ID: OK, one more ..... :) I've got a mystery Brainstorm track, that stops at 4.28 as it starts to slide into the reggae thing that Hawkwind have put in there at various points in the last decade or so. It sounds like a 90s version, with Ron on vox and I think Jerry playing guitar on there as well. Oh, and it starts with some odd-sounding "horn call" thing before it launches into the riff. Any guesses? I thought maybe "In Your Area" or "Hawkwind 1997", since I've got some other tracks with me from those, but the online references suggest "Brainstorm" on those was combined with another song to make a much longer track than the one I have (though track listings have been known to lie ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Mon Jul 2 04:37:19 2007 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 04:37:19 EDT Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? Message-ID: Could be the Out & Intake version, I seem to remember an odd little version of Brainstorm on that........ Hutch From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 04:59:46 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:59:46 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 09:37, Martin Hutchby wrote: > Could be the Out & Intake version, I seem to remember an odd little version > of Brainstorm on that........ Well, then I would have to be wrong about Ron and Jerry -- but that wouldn't send me into shock ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 2 05:14:29 2007 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:14:29 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <4688BE82.3050706@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hi Carl No, you were right in the first place, it sounds like the "In Your Area" version you've got there. There isn't a version of Brainstorm on "Out & Intake" (although Confrontation was born out of the mid-section of Brainstorm). HTH Dave > Could be the Out & Intake version, I seem to remember an odd little > version > of Brainstorm on that........ Well, then I would have to be wrong about Ron and Jerry -- but that wouldn't send me into shock ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 06:41:07 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:41:07 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <003901c7bc89$66e14810$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 10:14, Dave Bottomley wrote: > No, you were right in the first place, it sounds like the "In Your Area" > version you've got there. I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for example, ) suggest the "Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: "Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. ... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and "Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? I haven't got the "In Your Area" disc in the UK with me -- can anyone confirm/deny the details of the "Brainstorm" track on it? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 2 06:57:47 2007 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:57:47 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <4688D643.6030107@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hey Carl Have just dug the CD out & you're correct - Brainstorm & HIYA are combined into a single 11-minute track. However, it *does* begin with the 'horn' (as you put it), quickly followed by a brief "Hawkwind in your area, Hawkwind on your land" chant, then into the song. I don't know of any other version that starts like this & I don't recall it appearing on a compilation (in truncated or any form). Brainstorm itself lasts until around the 4:00 mark, then there's around 20 seconds of transition, before the reggaeness begins. So, I still think this is the correct version, I just don't have an expanation as to why you've only got the first 4.5 mins. Simplest explanation would be that you faded it before the reggae bit, I guess. Dave -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 02 July 2007 11:41 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? On 02/07/2007 10:14, Dave Bottomley wrote: > No, you were right in the first place, it sounds like the "In Your > Area" version you've got there. I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for example, ) suggest the "Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: "Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. ... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and "Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? I haven't got the "In Your Area" disc in the UK with me -- can anyone confirm/deny the details of the "Brainstorm" track on it? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 07:04:11 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:04:11 +0000 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <005101c7bc97$d5a1e8f0$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: "In your area" is actually part studio.. and IMO contains probably their best song since Electric Tepee.-A great studio recorded track called "hippy".Well worth getting for that track alone. The albums track-listings are all wrong,too,though..btw.lol pete >From: Dave Bottomley >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:57:47 +0100 > >Hey Carl > >Have just dug the CD out & you're correct - Brainstorm & HIYA are combined >into a single 11-minute track. However, it *does* begin with the 'horn' (as >you put it), quickly followed by a brief "Hawkwind in your area, Hawkwind >on >your land" chant, then into the song. I don't know of any other version >that >starts like this & I don't recall it appearing on a compilation (in >truncated or any form). Brainstorm itself lasts until around the 4:00 mark, >then there's around 20 seconds of transition, before the reggaeness begins. > >So, I still think this is the correct version, I just don't have an >expanation as to why you've only got the first 4.5 mins. Simplest >explanation would be that you faded it before the reggae bit, I guess. > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On >Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson >Sent: 02 July 2007 11:41 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? > > >On 02/07/2007 10:14, Dave Bottomley wrote: > > No, you were right in the first place, it sounds like the "In Your > > Area" version you've got there. > >I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for >example, ) suggest the >"Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: >"Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. > >... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But >perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and >"Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? > >I haven't got the "In Your Area" disc in the UK with me -- can anyone >confirm/deny the details of the "Brainstorm" track on it? > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >mailto:cea at carlaz.com >http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 07:19:22 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:19:22 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <005101c7bc97$d5a1e8f0$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 11:57, Dave Bottomley wrote: > Have just dug the CD out & you're correct - Brainstorm & HIYA are combined > into a single 11-minute track. However, it *does* begin with the 'horn' (as > you put it) [....] Brainstorm itself lasts until around the 4:00 mark, > then there's around 20 seconds of transition, before the reggaeness begins. > So, I still think this is the correct version, I just don't have an > expanation as to why you've only got the first 4.5 mins. Simplest > explanation would be that you faded it before the reggae bit, I guess. Heh, I think you must be right! I must have _really_ not liked the "Hawkwind in Your Area" section of the track! ;) Well, this is probably another archaeological Hawkwind track ID mystery solved, then! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 08:23:16 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:23:16 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Forum Message-ID: Greetings, friends, I don't know if this was posted before I joined, in case it wasn't here you have it. Kf Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: new Hawkwind forum > > http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/ > > This new forum is run by the band. > Anyone interested in the forum format should go check it out. > > They have compartmentalized forum spaces for things like > the Hawkfest, Tour discussions, general chat and others. > You also get to ask questions directly to the band who have stated > they will be responding regularly & directly in the forum. Cool beans. > I encourage everyone to go there and check it out and/or sign up. > > http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/ > > We hope the very best for this new site. > > As usual any breaking news appearing on Mission Control and now > in the new forum will be transmitted here as well. > > There was a poll/survey posted here a few years back > when we were considering moving to that same type of format > but the majority of members who responded to the poll > wanted us to stay this way. An e-mail discussion list that is. > > So here we stay. Grumpy, hairy, tie-died shirts and all. > > Sincerely, > Bob From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 08:24:55 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:24:55 -0400 Subject: (OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <4685CD2B.50102@vacano.org> Message-ID: Hi Deborah He doesn't need it. Kaduflyer From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jul 2 10:18:02 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:18:02 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? Message-ID: I wonder who is doing the Wikipedia entries. Anyone we know? jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? > On 02/07/2007 10:14, Dave Bottomley wrote: >> No, you were right in the first place, it sounds like the "In Your Area" >> version you've got there. > > I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for > example, ) suggest the > "Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: > "Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. > > ... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But > perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and > "Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? > > I haven't got the "In Your Area" disc in the UK with me -- can anyone > confirm/deny the details of the "Brainstorm" track on it? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 10:19:50 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:19:50 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts In-Reply-To: <475982.65796.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: *Ron Tree is a god, like Judge Trev and Dave Brock* *I am so tired of life, let's see, 2 Heineken's and 2 Captain Jesus CDR's......if only there was some way to make that work* *in response to the "In Your Area" CD.......you know the US and UK versions have differing back covers* *my UK one is a promo and yours isn't * *HAhahahahahahaha* *GUESS I'M TOO EVIL TO DIE TODAY* *LOVE YOU CHRISTIAN* *MC* On 6/30/07, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > Alien 4 and Distant Horizons maa > aaaaaaan!!!!!! > > c. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen Swann > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Saturday, 30 June, 2007 3:10:10 PM > Subject: Re: Alan Davey and thoughts > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:21:37PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > mike coleman writes: > > > > > *I will say for myself, however, if he is doing his own thing for a > bit, a > > > telephone call to Ron would please the shit out of me > > > > No. No. NO! > > > > If we're to have ex-bassists back, then it's Adrian Shaw to the Big Red > > Courtesy Phone... > > > > Sorry, but apart from a pretty good Calvert impression on Steppenwolf, > > Ron pretty much held things back... > > I kinda liked Ron. Don't know what he contributed as an > instrumentalist or songwriter, but I liked his renditions of > Calvert's stuff. > > Hey, what ever happened to that Lemmy guy? He was pretty good. ;-) > > Steve > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try > it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 10:56:03 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:56:03 -0500 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D Message-ID: *forgive me forum, but this mail to Alan was rejected by spaminatronics, and if I go digging to find a mail on him, I'll get very sick along the way, what with seeing things I'm maybe better off not knowing about (I knew this was going to be a problem, Trev wouldn't hear it)* ** *Dear Alan Assassin* *thank GOD my friend didn't sell off my Chaos Delight CD.....* *somebody gave me a turntable but I am having trouble even imagining ever owning a stereo again* *also, THANK GOD I still have the "Castle Masters" collection CD that you autographed for me when you stayed at Brian Perera's about 1990* *I was so nervous talking to you on the phone....my mind was blown* *I'm trying not to crack up* *"love"* *Mike Coleman* From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 11:15:36 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:15:36 +0100 Subject: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <003f01c7bcb3$cd6ab9c0$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 15:18, Jill Strobridge wrote: > I wonder who is doing the Wikipedia entries. Anyone we know? I wondered that myself -- there's a fair bit of info there. Between Wikipedia, Starfarer.net, and the Codex I managed to track down most of my mystery stuff without asking on BOC-L :) I recently trawled through the digitization process on all my Grateful Dead stuff too (I'm going down the list, and G comes before H ;) and the Wikipedia Grateful Dead discography stuff is pretty handy as well -- but there a a bazillion, jillion fanatical Deadheads with too much time on their hands, and a rather smaller number of Hawkfans (I am assuming). Somebody out there has been doing the good work, though -- there are even multiple notes on the Weird Tapes stuff where recording dates are contested! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 11:17:02 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:17:02 +0100 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707020719l254a42a1pfc4b7c23752136aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 15:19, mike coleman wrote: > *in response to the "In Your Area" CD.......you know the US and UK > versions > have differing back covers* > *my UK one is a promo and yours isn't * I'm a post-modern collector: I don't care about the packaging as long as I have the music data :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Jul 2 11:29:36 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:29:36 -0400 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707020756q5f47ee3dkfb0eb5ebc116199a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Quoting mike coleman : > *forgive me forum, but this mail to Alan was rejected by spaminatronics, and > if I go digging to find a mail on him, I'll get very sick along the way, Try using his myspace page to send him a message directly. Worked for me. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 11:33:28 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:33:28 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts In-Reply-To: <468916EE.5060107@carlaz.com> Message-ID: <<<<< wrote >>>>>>>>I'm a post-modern collector: I don't care about the packaging as long as <<<<<<<< *I have sadly had to leave my MYO forum, because I know too much and truth is unaccepetable.....now I've nowhere to go, anyway, hope you enjoy the insanity.......* ** ----- Original Message ----- *From:* SHORT SHARP SHOCK *To:* judge48 at hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:23 AM *Subject:* periodicals for the toilet *Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)* Posted by *Dave Lers* on Friday, 20-Apr-2007 You and (what the heck is a) cheap & chippy chopper prompted me to post Light Tubes . [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *OT - Re: the name... was Greetings and a quic* Posted by *cheap & chippy chopper* on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 the person who should have answered your question is 'short sharp shock.' :-) He (and my fondness for the lil' Gizeh GTP) inspired my handle. "Ohhhh, To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dark dock In a pestilential prison with a lifelong lock And awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock >From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block!" It's a bit of a "patter trio" in The Mikado, a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. Too bad you can't hear me singing along. ~;-O [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: OT - Re: the name... was Greetings and a * Posted by *mike c-aka SSS*on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 and indeed I love you too! SSS is taken from music! what else! (of course that could be a matter of perspective) the song is called "Dogrot" hahaha I would love to hear you sing and I will investigate the operetta [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: OT - Re: short, sharp, shock WAY WAY OFF* Posted by *Pooh-Bah, Ko-Ko and Pish* on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 it's all connected I've passed your email here to Judge Trev Thoms, as he's being a typical british rock-star ass IMHO at moment anyway in our case the name has to do with Margeret Thatcher and politics, I am about 99% certain one of his other tunes "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" is actually on a website listed as one of her ten favorite songs, or something Trev said that song blasted her and her party (whatever) into the black-hole to which they remain to this day [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: OT - Re: short, sharp, shock WAY WAY OFF* Posted by *cheap & chippy chopper* on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 ... Tush. [that was my contribution to this conversation. Politicians = killers, thieves & liars. Hardly matters which color rinse they use.] [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: OT - Re: short, sharp, shock WAY WAY OFF* Posted by *mike "CCC" fan (OFF)* on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 you people are going to send me back on meds so are you referring to horse teeth, a good kick in the butt, or simply a positive exclamation in agreement with corruption, etc?? you're pretty clever CCC I can't say how thrilled I am to find out that your title not only was inspired by my love of SSS (it's my hotmail name) BUT, like Dave L Captain, I hadn't a clue what your name meant I LOVE it SO MUCH that is has to do with beheading PS-if you are getting "overhang" on your Topomatic at the 100mm setting, you might be careful rubbing that in *the place of disintegration is HERE* [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: OT - Re: short, sharp, shock WAY WAY OFF* Posted by *God and Man* on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007 I can't resist... After just playing "Dogrot", Trev sings "Chopping Block" RIGHT BEFORE here are HIS words about the mighty "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" Judge: "blue rinse haggard robot cast the evil thatcher and her whole political party into the black hole where they have rermained ever since it is a track of immense power and should not be trifled with" "i recorded it standing upon the mixing desk, crushing the very material essences which would create the reality - god told me what to do - easy" AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR [ reply | link |parent ][image: admin] *Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)* From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Jul 2 12:13:30 2007 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:13:30 -0600 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds groovy!!:o) Deborah vzenv14m wrote: > Hey Debora, > I think I should go to the acid camp too, since the kids seem to have all of > it. We'll share the gold meddle. > > Kaduflyer > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 12:19:09 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:19:09 +0100 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D In-Reply-To: <20070702112936.mo5us8gw4soscsks@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 02/07/2007 16:29, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting mike coleman : >> *forgive me forum, but this mail to Alan was rejected by spaminatronics, and >> if I go digging to find a mail on him, I'll get very sick along the way, > > Try using his myspace page to send him a message directly. Worked for me. Yup, he's very responsive there (much more so than I am on my myspace page! ;) He even promised to write back with an answer to a technical question once he had found the info -- and, a couple of weeks later, he did! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ http://www.myspace.com/carlsefni From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 12:32:41 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:32:41 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <4689242A.5040806@vacano.org> Message-ID: *sounds moldy to me, but sis will be sis......I guess somebody's got to insure continued human ownership of the nearer cosmic "material"* *you see, LSD is a case of TOMFOOLERY, you're SUPPOSED to have a bad trip, and you are supposed to hear ICU along with it, but evil money had it's way once again, and dosages were lowered to such an extent that people * *were not noticing the demon's they were allowing in..........* On 7/2/07, Deborah Vacano wrote: > > Sounds groovy!!:o) > Deborah > > vzenv14m wrote: > > Hey Debora, > > I think I should go to the acid camp too, since the kids seem to have > all of > > it. We'll share the gold meddle. > > > > Kaduflyer > > > > > From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Jul 2 12:44:52 2007 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:44:52 -0600 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707020932l7da4dce3m31a20c1ab0f3ac8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Na... really I'm to old for that trip now.. I did my dosage in my younger dayz.. and listened to ALOT of Hawkwind!! I really believe it was alot cleaner then~ I was just talking about this last night with my daughter and her boyfriend.. They have got to watch out for those evil nasties~ They seem to be having a time with the young ones today~ Really scary!! mike coleman wrote: > *sounds moldy to me, but sis will be sis......I guess somebody's got to > insure continued human ownership of the nearer cosmic "material"* > *you see, LSD is a case of TOMFOOLERY, you're SUPPOSED to have a bad > trip, > and you are supposed to hear ICU along with it, but evil money had > it's way > once again, and dosages were lowered to such an extent that people * > *were not noticing the demon's they were allowing in..........* > > On 7/2/07, Deborah Vacano wrote: >> >> Sounds groovy!!:o) >> Deborah >> >> vzenv14m wrote: >> > Hey Debora, >> > I think I should go to the acid camp too, since the kids seem to have >> all of >> > it. We'll share the gold meddle. >> > >> > Kaduflyer >> > >> > >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 14:14:02 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:14:02 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <46892B84.90506@vacano.org> Message-ID: someone who matters to me spoke: On 7/2/07, Deborah Vacano wrote: > > Na... really I'm to old for that trip now.. > > I did my dosage in my younger dayz.. > and listened to ALOT of Hawkwind!! > I really believe it was alot cleaner then~ > > I was just talking about this last night with my daughter and her > boyfriend.. > They have got to watch out for those evil nasties~ > They seem to be having a time with the young ones today~ > Really scary!! > *Totally agreed......a half hit snorted of blue microdot was as good as it got for me........at times I didn't know if I was standing up or sitting down, and the tree outside could have had sex appeal (you KNOW it's good and clean when it's like that)* *I had a constant supply of LSD almost my entire adult life.....(Nik, if you're reading, forgive me, I just couldn't have handled it around you)* *just WHY I needed it constantly on-hand, I can't tell, but I had my reasons.......* *I've just had a visit from my friend Sam, who thanked me for not killing him in the store the other night, and I thanked him for not killing me........he has probably every movie known to mankind.....after I sat and took his abuse, I got invited over there weds to watch "Wild In The Streets", and if lucky, more old evil LSD flicks...* *I've just got a package from Norway but I only have those damned 2 beers......* *psyche moleman* From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 15:35:28 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:35:28 -0400 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts In-Reply-To: <468916EE.5060107@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Even though I can't see it, I like to have the packaging, if possible, but the music is the most important, I think we all agree on that point. Best wishes, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 15:36:11 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: New Hawkwind Forum Message-ID: *please tolerate this one more * *I am glad I couldn't figure out how to join it/work it, because it occured to me that I wasn't invited* *mc* From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 16:10:50 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:10:50 -0400 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707021114u78c23dfbt91132cb897246649@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I think we all felt we needed a supply, what I want to know, is where did it all go? Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 16:14:35 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:14:35 -0400 Subject: New Hawkwind Forum In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707021236l18159a24m68ae3b5e08dbcdbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Who gives a shit, it's not Bob's forum, and you're as welcomed as anyone else, and I expect you to join, it will be worth it. I did go to the Y, but I kind of regret it, I had a wicked headache before I left, and now it's much worse, call if you like, just stay mellow. Love ya, Mary From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 2 16:39:22 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:39:22 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *I want cheese, and I want heavy tabs...NOW!!!!!! (in place of the missing food, not complaining, this reality, and I'll pay my price)* *ask your husband Mare, he'll know even more than me.* *what I just love is that they've NEVER been caught* *WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE * off to bond with Roky, yep, that's him!!!!! On 7/2/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hi Mike, > I think we all felt we needed a supply, what I want to know, is where did > it > all go? > > Kaduflyer > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 16:42:24 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:42:24 -0400 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D In-Reply-To: <4689257D.6060903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Would someone please send me the most direct link possible in Myspace to get in touch with Alan? I get lost in there, being blind, some sites, like the Hawkwind site, are so multilayered I can't find what I want. Any help would be appreciated. Your friend, Kaduflyer From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 16:45:09 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:45:09 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Jun 2007, at 21:15, Steve Freight wrote: > There is a brand new 5.1 mix as well as the standard stereo mix. Well, that answers my question about whether there's a 5.1 mix. (Or had that already been answered ...?) Anyway, anyone heard this beast yet? I gather that the "Time We Left" is still _not_ the longer version as heard on SR2, but all is hearsay. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Jul 2 17:05:44 2007 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:05:44 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <0F545822-888E-434F-89AD-939E3538C5AB@carlaz.com> Message-ID: >Anyway, anyone heard this beast yet? I gather that the "Time We >Left" is still _not_ the longer version as heard on SR2, but all is >hearsay. On the ultra-deluxe, for aliens only version, the hearsay has also a 5.1 mix. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 17:22:08 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:22:08 +0100 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02 Jul 2007, at 21:42, vzenv14m wrote: > Would someone please send me the most direct link possible in > Myspace to get > in touch with Alan? I get lost in there, being blind, some sites, > like the > Hawkwind site, are so multilayered I can't find what I want. Any > help would > be appreciated. Well, Alan's main myspace page is Clicking the link on that page to mail a message to Alan, the (very long) URL that loads in my browser's address bar is That may be no good as a direct link, though. And you may also need to be a Myspace member to send Alan a message -- and possibly also a "friend" of Alan, as well. I don't remember exactly how it all works! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ http://www.myspace.com/carlsefni From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 18:16:24 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:16:24 -0400 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707021339t68831a42h270f60de1d7c1fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You've lost me, if you can talk quietly, so as not to make my head explode, (that would make a mess, Kosh might enjoy eating the brain), give me a call, I'd enjoy talking to you. Mare From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 18:18:18 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:18:18 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <0F545822-888E-434F-89AD-939E3538C5AB@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I wish I had a 5.1 system, as well as the recording, but all that will have to wait. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 18:31:41 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:31:41 -0400 Subject: public broadcasting of private mail to Alan D In-Reply-To: <839BFD3E-EA96-4B56-B524-96B2397B2934@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hey Carl, I didn't realize it was you till I saw your full name listed here, I'd be interesting in writing off list. I'm sure you remember Chris and Me, he sends his best wishes. I knew you were on this list, glad to be back in touch. Your friend, Mary Bruce From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Jul 2 18:38:30 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:38:30 +0100 Subject: Contacting Alan Davey Message-ID: I always get lost in Myspace - stumbling across all sorts of oddities and wierd goings-on before coming across what I was originally in search of. Strange place. You can browse quite a lot just as a visitor but to interact and send a message to Alan through his Myspace Blog, then you have to Login with a password. So if you haven't already done so the first thing you need to do is Register a password with Myspace which means completing an on-line form I'm afraid. But this only needs to be done once and then you can go to Alan's Blog page and use the Send A Message link which opens a message box for you to type in. I must admit though that the whole process seems to be absurdly complicated and hopefully someone can suggest an easier route! jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== > Would someone please send me the most direct link possible in Myspace to > get > in touch with Alan? I get lost in there, being blind, some sites, like > the > Hawkwind site, are so multilayered I can't find what I want. Any help > would > be appreciated. > > Your friend, > > Kaduflyer > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 2 19:54:07 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 00:54:07 +0100 Subject: Contacting Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <009f01c7bcf9$b70b05e0$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: On 02 Jul 2007, at 23:38, Jill Strobridge wrote: > I must admit though that the whole process seems to be absurdly > complicated and hopefully someone can suggest an easier route! Possibly the most sensible thing would be for one of us already plumbed into Myspace to send Mary's email address to Alan with a note asking him to drop her a line? I'd volunteer (and could include a message from Mary to be forwarded) if that sounds sensible. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 19:59:56 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:59:56 -0400 Subject: Contacting Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <009f01c7bcf9$b70b05e0$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Hi Jill, My brother signed me into myspace a while ago, so that's 1 step I don't have to deal with. I'll deal with it tomorrow when I don't feel like I'm coming down off a coke or speed binge, I don't do those things. The migraine makes me feel like I'm on the negative side of all that. I must be crazy, I went to the Y today, since I can't go again till Friday, and I guess I over did it. I do want to try to contact Alan, and hopefully I'll be able to jump through the hoops myspace gives me to deal with. Thanks for your help. Your friend, Mary From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 2 20:09:29 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:09:29 -0400 Subject: Contacting Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <7FC7F941-1FBD-4AF4-8301-65BC3A1871D2@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hi Carl, If it's not a problem to contact Alan for me, that would be great, I've been given helpful suggestions from Rick and Jill. I don't have anything real important to say, I'd like to hear from him, he dubbed me with the name of "Madam Quantum," so if you can let him know I say hello under that name he'll probably get a laugh out of that. His absence was felt at the last shows and I think Greenback Massacre is a great song, very powerful. I'm glad we're back in contact, and thanks for your help. Your friends always, Mary, Chris, and Kosh, the spoiled cat From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 3 03:40:17 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:40:17 +0100 Subject: Contacting Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, hopefully you can find your way through the myspace stuff to Alan's pages. I know I have difficulty navigating the myspace site sometimes and I can see it all! Just in case, Mary, I sent a message Alan's way with your email and stuff. So, one way or another, hopefully you'll be able to catch up with him. It's what the internet is for! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 3 05:56:56 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:56:56 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > *I want cheese It's not possible. We must prevent terrorists perpetrating a Giant Cheese Attack on the Scottish Parliament. Why is it we get the terrorists from the Usama Bin Laden School for Special Needs? FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 3 06:40:49 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:40:49 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <200707030956.l639uuvQ009477@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 7/3/07, M Holmes wrote: > > mike coleman writes: > > > *I want cheese > > It's not possible. We must prevent terrorists perpetrating a Giant > Cheese Attack on the Scottish Parliament. > > Why is it we get the terrorists from the Usama Bin Laden School for > Special Needs? > > FoFP > *as usual, the educational difference glares in my face, and the best I > could really do was to focus in on how Giant Cheese Attack is capitalized, > and wondering what this could reveal to me about your character......* * Regarding the terrorists, I am suspecting they are in search of Giant Cheese as well, very likely not knowing what it is they really seek......I suggest you get into the Giant Cheese biz straightaways, and at once, putting yourself firmly out in front and in control.......first I was hearing the Beatles "all we need is cheese! alltogether now, all we need is cheese, cheese, cheese is all we need", but then my mind morphed into hearing the most disgusting version of a Phil Collins song that some band named Disturbed covered saying "Not enough Cheese to go round", or somesuch,,,,,,,,and at this point I am just realising what Amphetamine Embalmer has accomplished.......* From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 3 08:25:44 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:25:44 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <200707030956.l639uuvQ009477@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 3 Jul 2007, at 10:56 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Why is it we get the terrorists from the Usama Bin Laden School for > Special Needs? When I t'were lad, we had real terrorists who knew how to make proper bombs that went off (1996 London Docklands bomb, anyone?)! Young folks nowadays... Personally, I prefer those bumbling, inept terrorists of recent, rather than the more efficient, deadly ones of yore. The hysterical press coverage I could do without, though. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 3 09:23:23 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:23:23 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:25:44 +0100 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Personally, I prefer those bumbling, inept terrorists of recent, > rather than the more efficient, deadly ones of yore. There's that... > The hysterical press coverage I could do without, though. :-) Unbelievable. I think that to be described as a terrorist in the press, these halal halfwits should be required to produce at least one detonation. These could be the first terrorists in history whose victims had to ask for a second opinion. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 3 09:24:19 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:24:19 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > > It's not possible. We must prevent terrorists perpetrating a Giant > > Cheese Attack on the Scottish Parliament. > > *as usual, the educational difference glares in my face, and the best I > > could really do was to focus in on how Giant Cheese Attack is capitalized, > > and wondering what this could reveal to me about your character......* Not much I suspect. I was simply imagining the headlines in The Sun... FoFP From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 3 10:44:28 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:44:28 -0400 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <200707030956.l639uuvQ009477@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Watch out for the rats. Kaduflyer From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Jul 3 11:07:09 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:07:09 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing Message-ID: From: M Holmes > > The hysterical press coverage I could do without, though. :-) > > Unbelievable. I think that to be described as a terrorist in the press, > these halal halfwits should be required to produce at least one > detonation. There's a reader comment at Talking Points Memo comparing the CNN and BBC coverage of this. The BBC is very much the less hysterical of the two. I almost cheered when one of the British officials emphasized to the CNN shills that it was far too early to say what if any organizational ties these would-be bombers might have. >These could be the first terrorists in history whose > victims had to ask for a second opinion. I love this. May I borrow it? From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Jul 3 12:13:01 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:13:01 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Buck Message-ID: So my dad got me the Buck Dharma Archive CD's and Reaper t-shirt for my birthday. It seems like there was some kind of screw up on their end and the order was delayed, but everything worked out fine in the end. The package came yesterday. The shirt was wrapped in tissue paper and had written on it: "Happy Birthday, David. Sorry for the delay. Mrs. Buck" :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 3 13:04:56 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:04:56 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: Jean Lansford's message of Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: Jean Lansford writes: > From: M Holmes > >These could be the first terrorists in history whose > > victims had to ask for a second opinion. > > I love this. May I borrow it? Sure, be my guest. Attribution to "A Friend of Fernando Poo"... FoFP From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Jul 3 16:28:44 2007 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:28:44 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know what 5.1. is!! I just got this as I wanted to see the Urban G. video. Anyway I just put the bonus 'you shouldn't do that' on and man it's just blown me away and I don't say that lightly!!! I've never heard this version before - loads of guitar effects all the way through, and very different from the Roadhawks version. If you like Dave's 70s guitar sound (who doesn't!!)its worth buying just for this track!! I think this track has materialised from the 'dream album' which came up in a thread a while ago! Cheers, Mick --- vzenv14m wrote: > I wish I had a 5.1 system, as well as the recording, > but all that will have > to wait. > > Kaduflyer > ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 3 23:55:32 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:55:32 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <345730.82823.qm@web86209.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/3/07, Michael Crook wrote: > > I don't know what 5.1. is!! I just got this as I > wanted to see the Urban G. video. > > Anyway I just put the bonus 'you shouldn't do that' on > and man it's just blown me away and I don't say that > lightly!!! I've never heard this version before - > loads of guitar effects all the way through, and very > different from the Roadhawks version. If you like > Dave's 70s guitar sound (who doesn't!!)its worth > buying just for this track!! > > I think this track has materialised from the 'dream > album' which came up in a thread a while ago! *As I sit here in filth with nowhere to turn, just received a call from a depressed friend whom was in seminary, but didn't make it.....I realised......I'll save him........as for you.......that guitar sound can be used to ensure humanity's future,,,,,,do me a favor......take it and FLY* *when the time is right someday, I'll get to hear it too........ane make sure people get allerted to Hawkwind releases....* *peace* *mc* From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jul 4 09:24:47 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:24:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fear of a Blank Planet In-Reply-To: <17d80c610706061517m27ca22e6keefa45d9107f6652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 05:17:24PM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > >*I totally agree.....I seem to remember reading reviews about Stupid Dream > >five years ago (almost)?? being too commercial, etc...in fact I _THINK_ it > >was Jon Jarrett (which is a tribute of sorts to you , Jon, if correct, > >that I remember) but for me, I think Stupid Dream is my favorite* I probably did say that when it came out, and it's certainly what I thought then--I'd got the self-titled by arch British popsters Blur at the same time and was disheartened, in a way, to find it about five times more psychedelic than the gloomy lumbering prog of _Stupid Dream_ and five times more interesting tune-wise than the various soundalike SW mopey popsongs. By now I've slightly changed my tune, though. (The Blur album is still great, though, and don't let anyone tell you different.) This is mainly because I think _Lightbulb Sun_ is even more commercial, but also considerably better; it's as if SW decided that he would remake _Stupid Dream_ but this time with the concentration to get the best out of it. So you have `Piano Lessons' converted into `How Is Your Life', the other singles all drowned in the breakdown of `Last Chance to Leave Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled' or `Where We Would Be' and the godawful `Stop Swimming' buried under `Russia on Ice'. The title track's the only one I don't particularly go for. I think they did the same thing again with _Deadwing_, FWIW, to me _Deadwing_ is very much _In Absentia_ again with slightly better material. It's as if the big changes of direction take more time for the band to get used to these days, which is probably fair enough when it is in fact a band these days and not just SW sitting in his parents' basement cackling over 35-minute Floydian soundscapes. > * I tend to be very forgiving of artists, especially of Steven's caliber, > because he is so great it is just mindblowing, and if he never did another > thing I'd never forget* The last PT gig I went was years ago now, and they did two sets, the first of which reminded me of exactly that feeling, and the second of which was a kind of _Stupid Dream_ singles hour, for a lot of which the band weren't joining in, and made me want to go home early. > *Good god am I glad I still have all my original PT CD's.......it looks to > me like he's not only razor-clever with the music but with the marketing as > well.......it looks downright DANGEROUS to collect them.....you'd need to > buy each album in about 6 different versions right???* In the wise words of Gary Oldman's character in _Leon_, "That's why I stopped!" > *I have only played the new one about 3 times and indeed it may still impact > me, not concerned though....I'll pick up anything by those geniuses so long > as I can afford* I will have to get this one eventually but as with TMTYF I'm not rushing it. Come to that there's a new Clutch out I haven't got yet--who am I fussed about, these days? Can it really be only Litmus? I may need some new bands. > *Is the Radioactive Toy promo CD single one of the collecters bombs??? I > had 2, but at least "F*ckhead" Eric Johnson (who _is_ lucky I have not > removed his limbs, I'm still debating) left me one* I believe that one is one to hang on to, yes :-) > *did the mystery of the name Porcupine Tree ever get "solved"???* Dunno about `solved', but it was one of the names from a spoof psychedelic sixties pastiche band that only existed in fictional form until SW began making the music for it. Why he picked that one and what it was supposed to mean, if anything, I bet even he doesn't remember... Yours, Jon (alive, but still moving too fast to disembark from his timewarp in safety) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Jul 4 10:02:26 2007 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:02:26 -0600 Subject: a happy Fourth! Message-ID: To any and all who celebrate: A happy Fourth of July to all! Rock on! Pam From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 4 10:11:11 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:11:11 -0500 Subject: (off) Fear Of Mike Coleman's Black Planet Message-ID: Mornin' Jon enjoyed reading the porc post SO GLAD you told me "Deadwing" is likened to "In Absentia" that was the CD I had to put back in the store the other night which almost led to me going to jail, etc regarding SD, sure enough my memory was still there......you liked "Lightbulb" better... on this one lets agree to friendly disagree, same as all those years ago....I myself LOVE both records but do prefer SD by a good lead I don't particularily love "IA", so Deadwing can wait until I sell something or pimp out the neighbors prettiest, etc I've sent you a private mail last nite, please look for it if you can if you haven't seen it and to tie my thread tilte in, I tried to buy "Fear Of A Black Planet", but didn't see it, and need to ask if this is a Public Enemy album tilte, or simply a song title I realize this may already have been stated, but I missed it if so good 4th to all the moleman ps-Black people are just fine with me got me some allies (sp?) From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 4 10:36:31 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:36:31 -0400 Subject: a happy Fourth! In-Reply-To: <468BA872.5060408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Don't forget to play Hendrix's National anthem, good and loud. Happy 4th to you too. Kaduflyer From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 4 11:56:03 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:56:03 +0000 Subject: FW: Email From Tim Blake Message-ID: For anyone who didn't get this and is a Tim Blake fan, quite a good version of Tide of the Century on You Tube. Eddie. >From: Tim Blake >Reply-To: moonweed at free.fr >To: eddiejobson at hotmail.com >Subject: Email From Tim Blake >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:19:59 +0100 (BST) > > > >The Tide of The Century Video from Amsterdam >is Now up on You Tube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5PRfpzhrBw > >As Well as on My MySpace www.myspace.com/timblakecrystalmachine > >And on the News page of the Website > >http://moonweed.free.fr/news/concerts.html > >"Be Seeing You" > >Click below to unsubscribe from this mailing list. >http://www.band-site.co.uk/mailingListRemove.cfm?UnsubscribeUUID=8C7378CD-E363-5AC0-B2E1FEA70F324197 > _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 4 12:07:24 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:07:24 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <345730.82823.qm@web86209.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/07/2007 21:28, Michael Crook wrote: > I don't know what 5.1. is!! The short answer is: multichannel audio, with 5 main audio channels (usually left front, left back, center, right front, and right back) and 1 low-frequency channel. (Stereo is 2-channel audio, left and right). Done well, 5.1 can sound very cool -- like you're in the middle of the band (or, for a film, in the middle of a scene, surrounded by the action) though it's not always done well. And, obviously, one needs an appropriate 5.1 system to play it back properly! These are very common in consumer-level home theatre systems these days, though. I haven't got one primarily because the flat I live in is so small that it's not physically possible to put the rear speakers, well, _behind_ anything. ;) Hopefully, I'll move to a larger place in the foreseeable future and be able to revel in the glories of all my DVDs that have 5.1 mixes ... and listen to Space Ritual in 5.1 :) Though, that said, I'd really be interested to hear from anyone who's heard the 5.1 SR mix, to know if it's any good! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Jul 4 12:31:45 2007 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:31:45 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <468BC5BC.6090902@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Carl! I was expecting 'you shouldn't do that' to be a remixed version of the one appearing on 'Roadhawks' (in fact that also appears on this album) but this new version from a different night is superb with loads more 'chopping' guitar effects and a longer 'seeing it as you really are' ending with an additional solo! The vaults obviously aren't exhausted!! Mick --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03/07/2007 21:28, Michael Crook wrote: > > I don't know what 5.1. is!! > > The short answer is: multichannel audio, with 5 main > audio channels > (usually left front, left back, center, right front, > and right back) and > 1 low-frequency channel. (Stereo is 2-channel > audio, left and right). > > Done well, 5.1 can sound very cool -- like you're in > the middle of the > band (or, for a film, in the middle of a scene, > surrounded by the > action) though it's not always done well. > > And, obviously, one needs an appropriate 5.1 system > to play it back > properly! These are very common in consumer-level > home theatre systems > these days, though. I haven't got one primarily > because the flat I live > in is so small that it's not physically possible to > put the rear > speakers, well, _behind_ anything. ;) Hopefully, > I'll move to a larger > place in the foreseeable future and be able to revel > in the glories of > all my DVDs that have 5.1 mixes ... and listen to > Space Ritual in 5.1 :) > > Though, that said, I'd really be interested to hear > from anyone who's > heard the 5.1 SR mix, to know if it's any good! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 4 12:37:48 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:37:48 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <468BC5BC.6090902@carlaz.com> Message-ID: How much does the sound system cost? Kaduflyer From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Wed Jul 4 18:26:46 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:26:46 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc Message-ID: I completely agree with your evaluations of Lightbulb Sun and Deadwing. I think both of those albums are refinements of (respectively) Stupid Dream and In Absentia. Lightbulb Sun is without doubt my favorite, and the current one (Fear of a Blank Planet) is perhaps second. I have felt that the more "metal" period of PT (In Absentia to the present) isn't my particular cup of tea, although they seem to have actually become more prog and less metal on the most recent one, and I think they have now struck a happy balance. On a tangent, I had a delightful time at Nearfest, and when I get around to it I will post my photos and impressions. For some reason the web server doesn't seem to be working right and only SOME of my pics are visible (and those from Hawkfest 2002... five years after the fact I'm finally getting them up). Most other attendees have similar impressions to my own regarding the Nearfest experience. I was at the signing a few hours beforehand, and there were perhaps only a dozen or so people who turned out, but it was delightful to see Richard, Jason, and Mr. Dibbs interacting with the fans. As for Hawkwind's performance, the band was certainly suffering from an abominable mix and from the recent lineup change. I can appreciate that HW will "keep on keeping on" as Richard said at one point during the show, and it is nice to see different permutations of the band which are all still somehow Hawkwind, but overall the show was probably on the weaker side of things. I think Jill has commented before about the Solar Fire Lightshow being lackluster and I'd have to agree. In fact, I'd say it was rather tedious with its endlessly repeated and fairly uninventive imagery. All the slides were of drugs (marijuana plants and mushrooms), or planets, or big-eyed aliens... now just repeat the trio ad nauseam. Jim is a nice fellow and all, but I'd like to see more going on with the lightshow, and it seems rather stuck in a dreary rut. Mr. Dibbs actually has a good voice for the spoken bits and his singing was no worse than Alan's, but his bass playing is definitely at the pedestrian end of things.... Perhaps with time he will grow into his role more. Jason is very competent musically, but I'm not sure jhis lounge azz leanings are all that appropriate to the HW sound. I'd like to hear him play more modally with less of a lounge phrasing. Brock, on the other hand, was a powerhouse onstage when his guitar could be heard. It sounded as if he was perhaps using some sort of amp modelling equipment and the clean/distorted levels were not set equivalently, as his clean sound on Infinity was loud and clear, but when he kicked on the distortion, the volume dropped massively. His voice at this show struck me as exceedingly tuneful, melodious and rich--not something I'm necesssarily accustomed to saying about Hawkwind vocals! He really pulled things together and kept the gig from floundering, even though many of the transitions were incredibly clumsy (largely due to volume level fluctuations between instruments). There were sequenced bits or pre-recorded files that were triggered, and the volumes were not set appropriately to mesh seamlessly with the rest of the instruments, so there were huge sound drop outs throughout the gig. Overall though, this was a band coming through successfully despite circumstances conspiring against them, and that's what Hawkwind does best. They persevere through all these circumstances and still wind up somehow giving a good performance overall. I did wonder what many of the snobby progsters thought of the show, which was of course largely built around 2-chord and 3-chord droning songs. Hawkwind was a purgative for all the "my band is more complex than your band" and funny time signature leanings of many of the other bands and their fans. John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > This is mainly because I think _Lightbulb Sun_ is even more > commercial, but also considerably better; it's as if SW decided that he > would remake _Stupid Dream_ but this time with the concentration to get > the best out of it. So you have `Piano Lessons' converted into `How Is > Your Life', the other singles all drowned in the breakdown of `Last > Chance to Leave Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled' or `Where We > Would Be' and the godawful `Stop Swimming' buried under `Russia on Ice'. > The title track's the only one I don't particularly go for. > > I think they did the same thing again with _Deadwing_, FWIW, to > me _Deadwing_ is very much _In Absentia_ again with slightly better > material. It's as if the big changes of direction take more time for the > band to get used to these days, which is probably fair enough when it is > in fact a band these days and not just SW sitting in his parents' > basement cackling over 35-minute Floydian soundscapes. > >> * I tend to be very forgiving of artists, especially of Steven's >> caliber, >> because he is so great it is just mindblowing, and if he never did >> another >> thing I'd never forget* > > The last PT gig I went was years ago now, and they did two sets, > the first of which reminded me of exactly that feeling, and the second > of which was a kind of _Stupid Dream_ singles hour, for a lot of which > the band weren't joining in, and made me want to go home early. > >> *Good god am I glad I still have all my original PT CD's.......it looks >> to >> me like he's not only razor-clever with the music but with the marketing >> as >> well.......it looks downright DANGEROUS to collect them.....you'd need to >> buy each album in about 6 different versions right???* > > In the wise words of Gary Oldman's character in _Leon_, "That's > why I stopped!" > >> *I have only played the new one about 3 times and indeed it may still >> impact >> me, not concerned though....I'll pick up anything by those geniuses so >> long >> as I can afford* > > I will have to get this one eventually but as with TMTYF I'm not > rushing it. Come to that there's a new Clutch out I haven't got yet--who > am I fussed about, these days? Can it really be only Litmus? I may need > some new bands. > >> *Is the Radioactive Toy promo CD single one of the collecters bombs??? I >> had 2, but at least "F*ckhead" Eric Johnson (who _is_ lucky I have not >> removed his limbs, I'm still debating) left me one* > > I believe that one is one to hang on to, yes :-) > >> *did the mystery of the name Porcupine Tree ever get "solved"???* > > Dunno about `solved', but it was one of the names from a spoof > psychedelic sixties pastiche band that only existed in fictional form > until SW began making the music for it. Why he picked that one and what > it was supposed to mean, if anything, I bet even he doesn't remember... > Yours, > Jon (alive, but still moving too fast to disembark from his > timewarp in safety) > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 4 21:24:10 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:24:10 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc In-Reply-To: <000a01c7be8a$68589ab0$6401a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: Hi John, I believe I remember you from the old days when we did the Kadu Flyer, yes? Thank you, for confirming my opinion of a lot of the NEAR Fest. crowd, (I'm more progressive than you, because my taste is more rhythmically complex). I tried to engage many people in conversation, but by being only a Hawkfan I just wasn't cool enough. I probably got a different perspective on the sound, especially Dave's guitar, since I got a "handicapped," I hate that word, seat, and was hearing everything from the stage, rather than the PA. I really enjoyed all 3 shows. I think the British and American perspectives on light shows is very different. When we toured with the band in 1990, we had a couple of Deadheads doing the light show, and the band were not happy at all with it. Thanks for the review, I was too into the show to do any analyzing at the time. I wish I had a tape to review it now. I do agree about the clanky keyboard sound, it just doesn't work for me, but the Winds of Change are always flowing through Hawkwind, and if Jason reads these postings maybe he'll start experimenting with other sounds. Best wishes, Kaduflyer From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jul 5 02:06:41 2007 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:06:41 -0600 Subject: a happy Fourth! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Played it, then cued up Soloaris' "Martian Chronicles", followed by Legendary Pink Dots " From Here you can see the world go by" . Long, frustrating work day, too. I drive cab , and work mostly out of our airport, but picked up a flag later, spoke no English, and couldn't remember where he lived , Was , I suppose, a little high, and when I FINALLY got him home, his roomie said he'd just moved. He did pay me the meter in cash (a moderately healthy chunk of change) , and a halfway decent tip. And apologized for his behavior. That helped. What didn't help the day was that it was something like 101 degrees here today, and sitting in the concrete canyon at the airport was brutal. Hope it was more fun for you!! Rock on, Pam vzenv14m wrote: > Don't forget to play Hendrix's National anthem, good and loud. Happy 4th to > you too. > > Kaduflyer > > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Jul 5 03:53:57 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:53:57 -0400 Subject: a happy Fourth! In-Reply-To: <468C8A71.5020803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: actually I had a migraine all day, bummer. Kaduflyer From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Jul 5 09:11:16 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:11:16 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting vzenv14m : > Hi John, I believe I remember you from the old days when we did the Kadu > Flyer, yes? > Thank you, for confirming my opinion of a lot of the NEAR Fest. crowd, (I'm > more progressive than you, because my taste is more rhythmically complex). People, there are jerks at every kind of gathering, especially one for a somewhat niche event. Jerks at gaming conventions, science fiction conventions, comic-book conventions, bridge tournaments, jazz festivals, etc. Just ignore them. Most of the people I meet at NEARFest are very nice. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Jul 5 09:21:34 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:21:34 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc Message-ID: > Hi John, I believe I remember you from the old days when we did the Kadu > Flyer, yes? Yes, we would chat from time to time because you were one of the few connections to HW news in the USA at that time. It's amazing how the internet has made information so much more available. John From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Jul 5 15:51:22 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:51:22 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc In-Reply-To: <20070705091116.jfcwssgcw8cg8w0o@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Hi David, That's good to know, I wish we had met. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Jul 5 15:51:36 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: HW Nearfest etc In-Reply-To: <000f01c7bf07$68f3e880$6401a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: Hey John, It's nice to know you're still out there, and I'm glad you got to see Hawkwind. All the best, Mary From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 6 07:39:59 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:39:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roky Erickson in today's Guardian In-Reply-To: <46692E8D.4040804@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0100, Iain Ferguson typed out: > I cant wait to see him, any others going.... I did go, and it was pretty fun. He didn't come over like a sixty-year-old with a past more troubled than almost any rock musician ever, though, he came over like a happy healthy forty-five year-old with a slight lyrical obsession about the Devil and zombies. The band was very relaxed. It seemed to be the same people and sound as on the _Casting the Runes_ bootleg which Andy Gilham made me get years and years ago, and a lot of the same material, but not quite as edgy. They knew they could handle it, why sweat the extra to get it to 11, seemed to be the operating basis. Roky took some guitar leads, very metrical and played facing the drummer with feet firmly planted, but mainly it was down to the other guitarist who seemed to have fun cutting loose. A very good band, I just felt they could have pushed it a bit more if they'd wanted. Undeniably worth every penny though, and I hadn't realised he'd never been to the UK before, so I'm glad I was there to see it. I dunno, what a history: psychedelic pioneer, acid casualty, burnout, then diagnoses altered by the intervention of ST37, befriended by Mike Coleman :-) fitted with dentures by Henry Rollins and flown to the UK by Jarvis Cocker on a government subsidy... Funny old world innit, yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jul 6 08:15:06 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:15:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roky Erickson in today's Guardian In-Reply-To: <20070706113958.GB20904@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I agree with your comments here, they could have pushed it somewhat more, and Roky was being counted in for solo's - guess he's still coming out of the huge cloud he's been in for years. I was very special to hear dog with 2 heads, and your gonna miss me, Deffo has a beast / devil hang up :-) We were 10 seats from the front, and the sound was a little strange, what was it like where you were, I remember being 10 rows back for hawkwind there a few years ago, and the sound was odd then.. I'm wondering if its better to be further back ? Anyone ther who were near / further back than the mixing desk , what was it like ? iain Jonathan Jarrett wrote on 06/07/2007, 12:39: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0100, Iain Ferguson typed out: > > I cant wait to see him, any others going.... > > I did go, and it was pretty fun. He didn't come over like a > sixty-year-old with a past more troubled than almost any rock musician > ever, though, he came over like a happy healthy forty-five year-old with > a slight lyrical obsession about the Devil and zombies. The band was > very relaxed. It seemed to be the same people and sound as on the > _Casting the Runes_ bootleg which Andy Gilham made me get years and > years ago, and a lot of the same material, but not quite as edgy. They > knew they could handle it, why sweat the extra to get it to 11, seemed > to be the operating basis. Roky took some guitar leads, very metrical > and played facing the drummer with feet firmly planted, but mainly it > was down to the other guitarist who seemed to have fun cutting loose. A > very good band, I just felt they could have pushed it a bit more if > they'd wanted. Undeniably worth every penny though, and I hadn't > realised he'd never been to the UK before, so I'm glad I was there to > see it. I dunno, what a history: psychedelic pioneer, acid casualty, > burnout, then diagnoses altered by the intervention of ST37, befriended > by Mike Coleman :-) fitted with dentures by Henry Rollins and flown to > the UK by Jarvis Cocker on a government subsidy... Funny old world > innit, yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Jul 6 08:43:58 2007 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:43:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roky Erickson in today's Guardian In-Reply-To: <468E324A.3010200@aol.com> Message-ID: Really enjoyed it, but the venue was all wrong. Roky should be in a dark club! He was kinda swamped by the size of it, and the sound wasn't too great. Plus, sitting down.. bah! I don't think anything will top the Brooklyn show for me... a dream come true! But absolutely great to have Roky back. At 13:15 06/07/2007 +0100, you wrote: >I agree with your comments here, > >they could have pushed it somewhat more, and Roky was being counted in >for solo's - guess he's still coming out of the huge cloud he's been in >for years. > >I was very special to hear dog with 2 heads, and your gonna miss me, > >Deffo has a beast / devil hang up :-) > >We were 10 seats from the front, and the sound was a little strange, >what was it like where you were, I remember being 10 rows back for >hawkwind there a few years ago, and the sound was odd then.. > >I'm wondering if its better to be further back ? Anyone ther who were >near / further back than the mixing desk , what was it like ? > >iain > >Jonathan Jarrett wrote on 06/07/2007, 12:39: > > > On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0100, Iain Ferguson typed out: > > > I cant wait to see him, any others going.... > > > > I did go, and it was pretty fun. He didn't come over like a > > sixty-year-old with a past more troubled than almost any rock musician > > ever, though, he came over like a happy healthy forty-five year-old with > > a slight lyrical obsession about the Devil and zombies. The band was > > very relaxed. It seemed to be the same people and sound as on the > > _Casting the Runes_ bootleg which Andy Gilham made me get years and > > years ago, and a lot of the same material, but not quite as edgy. They > > knew they could handle it, why sweat the extra to get it to 11, seemed > > to be the operating basis. Roky took some guitar leads, very metrical > > and played facing the drummer with feet firmly planted, but mainly it > > was down to the other guitarist who seemed to have fun cutting loose. A > > very good band, I just felt they could have pushed it a bit more if > > they'd wanted. Undeniably worth every penny though, and I hadn't > > realised he'd never been to the UK before, so I'm glad I was there to > > see it. I dunno, what a history: psychedelic pioneer, acid casualty, > > burnout, then diagnoses altered by the intervention of ST37, befriended > > by Mike Coleman :-) fitted with dentures by Henry Rollins and flown to > > the UK by Jarvis Cocker on a government subsidy... Funny old world > > innit, yours, > > Jon > > > > -- > > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 6 10:16:55 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:16:55 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine Message-ID: Jon tied me in the Roky reveiw..... I have been staring at Roky's picture on "Gremlins Have Pictures".....haunting now......I've been talking to him and I get this feeling he hears "something" I'm telling him been saying "thank you god, thank you god"........ and Jon + rest, when I put SD up as a fave next to LBS, please consider I have both standard "Lightbulb", AND German 2CD version...I recognize the brilliance on this recording, but it just doesn't keep my mood altogether, up and flowing, as much as SD hope soembody lit fireworks for me, I had a good enough day finally breaking ground with Samuel Eugene..........I'll be threading about GENTLE GIANT soon, as I know somebody's got a rarity they might share in trade, etc mike From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Jul 6 10:26:43 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:26:43 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707060716v672efb77v3b101e769ec233d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Quoting mike coleman : > hope soembody lit fireworks for me, I had a good enough day finally breaking > ground with Samuel Eugene..........I'll be threading about GENTLE GIANT > soon, as I know somebody's got a rarity they might share in trade, etc Speaking of GG, I was really expecting a blockbuster announcement at NEARFest. Did people catch that Chad had Gary Green and Malcolm Mortimer pull the winner of the seat upgrade? I thought FOR SURE, they were going to be announced as a headliner for next year after that... I can't imagine why the tease otherwise. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 6 10:37:20 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:37:20 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 04/07/2007 17:37, vzenv14m wrote: > How much does the sound system cost? Since I haven't got space to use one, I'm not really sure! But my sense is that the cheaper ones run ... 150, 200 quid? That includes all the bits, I think: DVD player, amp, and speaker (though not the screen/TV). I'm sure one can get something better for a bit more -- that's less than what I spent on my audio set-up of CD-player/amp/speakers a few years back. And I'm sure one can go on to spend silly money if one has it to throw away ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 6 11:37:46 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:37:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roky Erikson in Todays Guardian In-Reply-To: <17d80c610706080629r2bb8af5bk3672706f87fd1a38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 08:29:30AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > *the only record I ever bought (and I think ever heard) by them is (I think) > "the psychedelic sounds of"??? does that sound right?? and it had "fire > engine"???? anyway, recommendations welcome* There are only four albums, and of those the so-called _Live_ is to avoid, as it's bad out-takes and rehearsals and not really live at all. I have the first one, that you mention, which I like, and the third, _Bull of the Woods_, which is a bit vaguer--less Roky and more of the guitarist, who sings on about half the album becaue Roky was already institutionalised before it was finished. It's not at all bad, (bad-)dreamy psych, but it's not the wildness of the first album. I don't have the second one, _Easter Everywhere_, but it's on the list to get because of the famous track, `Slip Inside This House', and I think therefore that that one and the one you had are the ones to have, _Bull of the Woods_ if you like them a lot. I once saw on ancient Usenet someone post a very convincing essay showing that Tommy Hall filked `Slip Inside this House' out of Coleridge's `Kubla Khan'. Try singing the other to the one, see what I mean... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 6 11:55:16 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:55:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics History (Was Re: test) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610706080948y5ae95596k5b7862d390b61f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:48:21AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > *oh, I just reread, you did say Pungent was first but released > second.....could be...what's with that Demi_Monde LP??? I am sorta tickled > that the IRS catalog isn't boldly recorded in history......kinda draws me > back....* If I remember rightly, and I'm going on my recollection of the _Great Rock Discography_ here which is renowned for its errors, the deal is that _Pungent Effulgent_ was first, and came out before anything else bar the tapes on Demi Monde. But as with many bands, the Ozrics decided Demi Monde sucked, and left them, and their manager formed their own label Dovetail. And they eventually got _Pungent Effulgent_ back from Demi Monde and re-released it, but by then they already had _Erpland_ out on Dovetail so _Pungent Effulgent_ was their second release *on Dovetail*. That seems to make sense of all the confusion... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Jul 6 16:08:51 2007 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:08:51 +0100 Subject: Hawkfest 2007 photos Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've stuck a couple of new galleries of pics up on www.tangledwoof.com Enjoy Alan From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 6 19:08:30 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:08:30 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:14:03PM +0100, trev typed out: > The celebrated music reviewer Jonathan Jarret narrowly missed death in the > early hours of yesterday morning when his home was destroyed by a massive > explosion. He survived by a fluke..."I had the radio on and they started to > play a track by a band called *Inner City Unit*. I was so frightened by > the music that I just had to get out to get some fresh air. Imagine my > surprise when my house suddenly exploded". ... On reading this it suddenly occurred to me that I gave you my address. I should maybe have thought about that before writing... Yours, Jon ObCD: Motorhead - _Another Perfect Day_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 7 01:45:04 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:45:04 -0500 Subject: Will Jon Keep Any Or All Limbs?? Message-ID: >>>... On reading this it suddenly occurred to me that I gave you >>>my address. I should maybe have thought about that before writing... >>>Yours, >>> Jon *Since I have a TURKEYNECK (you know, an Acid ICU one) and I found my first copy of IMP OMP ADOURZ, SEALED for 4 USA meaningless wastes of dead trees ( feel qualified saying the forthcoming since I have dealt with the British many years now, have been amongst you, having sexually desired some of the women, etc///////* *I DISSAGREE with my religeous friend who is more Irish and still holds on past land-lust as an excuse not to realize elite (IMHO)* *while I cannot guarantee that one of them might not "fix your ass in a song", ala Steven Tyler theorum (puke), British boys and men to me seem to be more highly evolved (plus it doesn't look like ICU bombers are much if any ahead of current terrorists)...that your chances for survival are looking up.....* *Trev is the fiercest in writing known to lists (or one of, when he REALLY attacks), but notice how he speaks of God in messages albeit maybe intuitive??? the point..British USUALLY behave better.....you and Trev can probably strike a bargain and if not I'll higher the stakes (kidding)* *only ONE aspect would frighten me, and you're not alone, I called Nik my "joyful child" in a last mail after a real nervous "happening", and not sure if he'll ever let me off that one......* *at any rate, and I belt forth what I hope is acceptable to make known* *NIK KNOWS* *lets pray for one -another....* *"love Dick (Dog)" (ask Trev or actually please don't), (although CLEVER was written prior to his reversing my title)* From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 7 03:30:40 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:30:40 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: <468E53A0.9070502@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Chris was telling me that the way to go is (I think he said it's 7.1). He said it's more realistic, and the 5.1 is too '70's. I wouldn't know and can't afford either. He said once he gets to working again he'll set me up with a sweet sound system, and upgrade my computer. I'm only running with 256 RAM. Peace, Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 7 03:32:13 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:32:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozrics History (Was Re: test) In-Reply-To: <20070706155516.GF20904@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I think my favorite is Strangitude. Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 7 03:56:51 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 02:56:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozrics History (Was Re: test) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07, *PENNY, IS AWAKE TOO....* > > I think my favorite is Strangitude. > > Kaduflyer > *fOR MYSELF, THERE IS JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THAT PACKAGE FROM BRIAN PERERA, ALLOWING ME surely ONE OF very FEW "ERPLAND" CD's yet in Damnmerica, much less in Tejas (could be wrong, I know)......the art and music were a gift from beyond...while if made to pick, that would probably be my keeper, that band needs a huge CD changer and an all day marathon IMHO.......* *anybody got "Muck Kicker" LP?, or "Kick MucK"??, sorry I am old and in cave days I'd be dead)....I still had one or 2 of those boot LP's when I was removed from home, and the buyers were apparently spreading the rumour I was dead.....I can find them, they had the nerve to want me to help them sort out the stuff much later when it turned out RPM records knew them..........maybe a little terror tactic someday just for fun...and I can get out of jail a bit faster due to having the right connections and diagnosis........THEN COMES THE SISTERS>>>hahahahah they won't like the way I'll do it if given the chance (safe and friendly, just emotionally KILLING!!!!) weeeeee.......so I guess I need someone to put the missing side of "Text Of Festival" on a CDR, the "Muck Kicker" LP, and.....did both OZRIC tracks ever surface on either TAT CD??? seems like "to do with circles" never made the disc, but I'm old and feeble, but wasn't something held off???...take you time* *mc* From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jul 7 04:38:58 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:38:58 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Collector's Edition CD & DV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07 Jul 2007, at 08:30, vzenv14m wrote: > Chris was telling me that the way to go is (I think he said it's > 7.1). He > said it's more realistic, and the 5.1 is too '70's. Should be all right for _Space Ritual_ then ... ;) But I suppose that means we can look forward EMI releasing Space Ritual in 7.1 another half-dozen years down the road ;) Meanwhile, I'm still impressed that the telly has stereo :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Jul 7 11:27:09 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:27:09 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in Print Message-ID: Hi all! Just to let people know that I've got a couple of Hawkwind related things in print this month (great to see 'Hawkwind' mentioned on the front cover of two newstand magazines!): Firstly there's a major retrospective in the August issue of 'Record Collector' magazine including commentary from Dave Brock, Douglas Smith and Rob Ayling - 8 pages with lots of cover scans and photos. Secondly, 'Bass Guitar Magazine' have a recent interview I've conducted with former Hawkwind bassist Alan Davey (note that this one was written before Alan left the band), talking about Hawkwind, rickenbackers and Alan's solo work. Ian --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 6 22:31:09 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:31:09 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 > On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:14:03PM +0100, trev typed out: >> The celebrated music reviewer Jonathan Jarret narrowly missed death in >> the >> early hours of yesterday morning when his home was destroyed by a massive >> explosion. He survived by a fluke..."I had the radio on and they started >> to >> play a track by a band called *Inner City Unit*. I was so frightened by >> the music that I just had to get out to get some fresh air. Imagine my >> surprise when my house suddenly exploded". > > ... On reading this it suddenly occurred to me that I gave you > my address. I should maybe have thought about that before writing... > Yours, > Jon > > > ObCD: Motorhead - _Another Perfect Day_ > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jul 7 15:28:37 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:28:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett's sig proclaims: > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" You can always eat 'em! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 7 20:10:43 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:10:43 -0400 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would be hard. I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, though. Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 7 20:30:02 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:30:02 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07, vzenv14m wrote: > You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would be > hard. > I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, > though. Pardon my erogatamine altered thinking, not to mention the radiactive ingredients that went into methamphetamine, along with engine starter fluid, not even going into the teenage freeon experiments, didn't he just mean that if Jon ends up a "loping stump", at least he could survive as such, or do I need "special" education love and small-grouped attention to keep me from dreaming about "Punk-Star" friends with factory new records, like, i.e., WOW!!!!!!!! weeeeeeeeee and those cupola'd craft I've been known to doodle Short Sharp Sclock and the Cheap Chippy Chopper "spirit" From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 7 21:28:23 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707071730y6537da2dmcf4b1cb3148263ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *OOOPS Similar but wrong thread,,,,blame the Klonopins I got fronted at a nice reasoable rate considering I'd have been at home (almost) at the LIMELIGHT club in the drug-monster cage during the Allig reign....* *well, it's complete BS, but that's my smokescreen...I was replying to Carl, and ignoring or not ignoring shall not keep you from the emarald in the blue,,,,,,,,,* On 7/7/07, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 7/7/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > > You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would be > > hard. > > I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, > > though. > > > Pardon my erogatamine altered thinking, not to mention the radiactive > ingredients that went into methamphetamine, along with engine starter fluid, > not even going into the teenage freeon experiments, didn't he just mean that > if Jon ends up a "loping stump", at least he could survive as such, or do I > need "special" education love and small-grouped attention to keep me from > dreaming about "Punk-Star" friends with factory new records, like, i.e., > WOW!!!!!!!! > weeeeeeeeee > and those cupola'd craft I've been known to doodle > Short Sharp Sclock and the Cheap Chippy Chopper "spirit" > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 7 23:10:24 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:10:24 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707071828m6ea0d5d0h856c8dad8c03fbb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *But of course if we are dealing with a real eartly-like reality in which Elephnts (the beasts) are a frequenst site, patience, great patience coud just possibly see a pasing wanderer of great import offer the great set of poison dart/copsticks ever used by our kind.......(I'lll climb in bed now) nite* On 7/7/07, mike coleman wrote: > > *OOOPS Similar but wrong thread,,,,blame the Klonopins I got fronted at a > nice reasoable rate considering I'd have been at home (almost) at the > LIMELIGHT club in the drug-monster cage during the Allig reign.... * > *well, it's complete BS, but that's my smokescreen...I was replying to > Carl, and ignoring or not ignoring shall not keep you from the emarald in > the blue,,,,,,,,,* > > > On 7/7/07, mike coleman wrote: > > > > > > On 7/7/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > > > > You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would be > > > hard. > > > I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, > > > > > > though. > > > > > > Pardon my erogatamine altered thinking, not to mention the radiactive > > ingredients that went into methamphetamine, along with engine starter fluid, > > not even going into the teenage freeon experiments, didn't he just mean that > > if Jon ends up a "loping stump", at least he could survive as such, or do I > > need "special" education love and small-grouped attention to keep me from > > dreaming about "Punk-Star" friends with factory new records, like, i.e., > > WOW!!!!!!!! > > weeeeeeeeee > > and those cupola'd craft I've been known to doodle > > Short Sharp Sclock and the Cheap Chippy Chopper "spirit" > > > > > > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Jul 8 04:07:04 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:07:04 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08 Jul 2007, at 01:10, vzenv14m wrote: > You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would > be hard. > I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, > though. And trying to attach a mouse to an elephant could cause a kernel panic! (Sorry: very geeky bad joke! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jul 8 09:57:29 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:57:29 +0100 Subject: HW YULE RITUAL...Money Tree In-Reply-To: <17d80c610706120955v1866797cn6f8daf579b7c4cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:55:48AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > *it appears I do NOT, in fact, have MONEY TREE, as my copy simply lists the > song..........so can you just tell me if all we have is a printing mis-press > or if the later pressings have music I do not......* > *also, WHERE IS Money Tree to be found??? well??? (foot tapping) hmmm??? I think I may be able to answer this one too, if I understand the question. `Money Tree' was some Ron-type words fitted to what we otherwise know as `Spacebrock'; I saw it once on the 2001 spring tour and it was, I thought, pretty excellent, but still the same song underneath. When _Yule Ritual_ was recorded the words were still to be added, and what the band *performed* was `Spacebrock', which you presumably have on there or else you have a *real* special item. But, I guess because it was already being performed under its new name by the time that _Yule Ritual_ was actually released, it's there billed as `Money Tree' and Ron's got a writing credit for it even though he doesn't *sing* on the track. And I was there, he didn't, it's not just that Dave has mixed him out vengefully. As far as I know there is no official recording from the 2001 Spring tour, but that means very little, because I wouldn't know if there were; if there be, though, it hasn't been released. And very soon after that, of course, Ron became persona non grata. So as far as I know `Money Tree' proper exists only on bootlegs. Yours, Jon ObCD: Wool - _Box Set_ (`Now that Superman is dead, who will kick ass?') -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 11:23:53 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:23:53 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 Message-ID: THE WAY IT IS First: Hi John, I'm glad that you avoided Nazer's bomb. As I have said before, your reviews are accurate and demonstrate your considerable cognisance of the subject. However, where you fall down is on your emotional receptivity. We of the Inner City Unit don't stand up well to intellectual scrutiny, in fact we don't like it. When you come to see us, you should be prepared to abandon all mind functions and enter into the wonderful world of ZEN NO-MIND (either temporarily by drink and drugs or, more permanently, by a lifetime of asceticism). Come down the front or if not, at least tap your foot. All good gig experiences are a two-way affair between band and Blessed Ones. You left the gig just after half-way through, yes, we endured til the bouncers started considering to use violence to stop us as usual. The most important part of any gig is the last half hour. I was rather perturbed by some aspects of the reviews you have made in the past, for example, you criticised the Mother of All Bands album "Insect Brain" because it didn't sound anything like Hawkwind. With that kind of attitude there would never have been a Hawkwind or Motorhead, or ICU, or even Beatles etc. When you see us, be prepared to have your preconceptions shattered by the glorious onslaught of RAW TRUTH in which resides the Golden Key to the BROTHERHOOD OF MAN (not the band...cough!). Everyone, please don't attend any of our gigs if you are afraid of OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES. second: I have decided that Inner City Unit WILL NEVER REHEARSE AGAIN. OUR ONE AND ONLY 2 HOUR REHEARSAL SO FAR WAS THE DAY BEFORE THAT FATEFUL GIG IN WALTHAMSTOW - AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! third: And while we are on the subject of the Brotherhood, and considering matters of human equality. I think that all of you who are on ?25,000+ should visit www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk and buy as many of my CD's as possible - not because you want them, but to alleviate the terrible inequality between rich and poor in the world today - it's the worst it's ever been in the known history of man. fourth: Mike Coleman is not getting his hands on my unopened copy of Atomgods WOW vinyl, hovever much he whines and rants about it, or tells me how to open it by "rolling it out" and "blowing into the sleeve"! fifth: John, I fancy your girlfriend. SO BE IT! JUDGE TREV AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: OFF: Re: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 > Jon Jarrett's sig proclaims: >> "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > > You can always eat 'em! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Jul 8 11:35:45 2007 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:45 EDT Subject: HW YULE RITUAL...Money Tree Message-ID: The original booklet with this release was replaced by a new one. The first listed Money Tree as track 3 and had a pic of Huw who wasn't on the album. The second listed Spacebrock and had different graphics and photos. Steve. > *it appears I do NOT, in fact, have MONEY TREE, as my copy simply lists the > song..........so can you just tell me if all we have is a printing mis-press > or if the later pressings have music I do not......* > *also, WHERE IS Money Tree to be found??? well??? (foot tapping) hmmm??? From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 12:47:05 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:47:05 -0500 Subject: Fwd: List Poll regarding Trev T and his too-bluesy riffs on MOAB Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike coleman Date: Jul 8, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: List Polll To: trev Dear Excellent Forum as many of you will know, Dave Brock OVERLOADED me with blessings, along with Ali, and others but the beeping "heart beacon" sent me to him (you know, the sweet well-behaved British boy rocker Trevorie, with his "clingie" mommie) since he is my "homey" on many levels BUT, he has now insulted info he should have paid me for, and he's afraid to open his already ruined (CC, a USA phenominon) very unvaluable USA prsssing of WOW (laughing histerically) the LP probably originated on Briaridge st in Dallas (where HW and related Spacerock really took it's foot as THE BEST) since I had several unopened USA copies of WOW,,,,,,,,, If I singlehandedly DESTROY ICU FOREVER, you guys will just cheer and allow me to stay and keep my friends here, right? Jon, I'm glad you will live, just go to a show and buy Trev drinks while you have the chance because it looks like ALL his stuff is soon going WAY UP in value since I seem to be the one who is smart enough to know he's been an overlooked, "poopied on" "martyr" now he will go meet his 70 plus virgins he's not (going to be) with us much longer ps-He's afraid of Bob Lennon because he FEARS money HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHKILL!!!! KILL!!!! KILL!!!! Mike Coleman and Ian Fraser K....."The Killers......" From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 13:28:52 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:28:52 -0500 Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked Message-ID: Trevorie Tulane "pretended" "Coolness" >>>fifth: >>>John, I fancy your girlfriend *My parents tried to make "the little drummer boy" out of me at age 4.....* *that is where the relationship between me and Ian (he doesn't need your fiver's anymore)...began* *I wish I had a pic of WHAT I did to that kit........* *so anyway, I've had enough trouble with skin-bashers, aside of my best god-given " brother"-drummer, who was murdered in a drive-by in '91.....* *so could this mean I might fancy Jon????* *or is he just another crusty long-hair????* From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 14:02:18 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:02:18 +0100 Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked Message-ID: crusty semi-long hair but clean and he actually went to school once ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked > Trevorie Tulane "pretended" "Coolness" >>>>fifth: >>>>John, I fancy your girlfriend > *My parents tried to make "the little drummer boy" out of me at age > 4.....* > *that is where the relationship between me and Ian (he doesn't need your > fiver's anymore)...began* > *I wish I had a pic of WHAT I did to that kit........* > *so anyway, I've had enough trouble with skin-bashers, aside of my best > god-given " brother"-drummer, who was murdered in a drive-by in '91.....* > *so could this mean I might fancy Jon????* > *or is he just another crusty long-hair????* > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 14:05:54 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:05:54 +0100 Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked Message-ID: anyway...john's girlfriend is also a drummer and i want her for my next project. i tried "judge trev's icu" once and it didn't work, so the next one will be "judge trev's nik turner" with cardboard cut-out that should do it ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked > Trevorie Tulane "pretended" "Coolness" >>>>fifth: >>>>John, I fancy your girlfriend > *My parents tried to make "the little drummer boy" out of me at age > 4.....* > *that is where the relationship between me and Ian (he doesn't need your > fiver's anymore)...began* > *I wish I had a pic of WHAT I did to that kit........* > *so anyway, I've had enough trouble with skin-bashers, aside of my best > god-given " brother"-drummer, who was murdered in a drive-by in '91.....* > *so could this mean I might fancy Jon????* > *or is he just another crusty long-hair????* > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jul 8 14:18:33 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:18:33 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Alchemical Radio and Drool Trough Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JULY 8, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #22), and Drool Trough Radio. See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #22) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Psychedelia, Space Rock, Progressive Rock and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) Nick Toone - Nova Polly Moller - From the album "Diogenes" Resin - Fog Driving The Sweeney - Billy The Human Bomb Yaya Diallo - Nangape Typewriter - Damned For Sure Random Touch - The Deepness Of Things Romislokus - Cool Steve Wilson - Your God Isn't Listening Resin - Only Here Random Touch - Metallic Atoms In A Cloud Of Gas Neosoreskin - Everyone Likes Our Songs Simon Felton - Wait And See Polly Moller - John Mockingbird The Thicket - Canopy Charles Goff III - Content Drool Trough Radio (show #64 - MT6 Records Label Special) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. This edition of Drool Trough Radio is an all MT6 Records label special. MT6 is based in Baltimore, Maryland and run by Alex Strama, who has cranked out an impressive number of releases in the past few years, nearly all of which are Baltimore area bands. Tune in for a wide assortment of songs, experimental, punk, electronic, and just generally off the beaten path music, as well as lots of chat with Alex telling us about all things MT6. You can visit the MT6 Records web site at www.mt6records.com Human Host - "Mold Lungs" Social Junk - "Stoner Car" The Agrarians - "The Lusty Summer" Abiku - "Dance O Rama" Needlegun - "Circless" Newagehillbilly - "Control Factor" Bad Liquor Pond - "AutoPilot" Fuzz Unlimited - "Camera Shy" Myo - "Some Things I've Lost, Some Things I've Gained" Blakk Sweat - "The Crys of Nitocrys" Pokawa Khan - "Walk the Streets" Heirs of Rockefeller - "Scene From Stress" The Dirt - "Deathwish Baby" Heroin UK - "Big Nose" Bo Lee Da - "Skitzo" A) Torture Mechanism - "Necropolis" Forest Dwellers - "Cat + Dog, Cats + Walruses" Tadpole Angel - "Rat Soup" The New Flesh - "Bass" Hex Screw - "Pynx Waltz" Mother Orchid - "Cimmerian Darkness" The Wire Orchestra - "Document 5" Pat Grant and The Blown Fuses - "Struggle" USSA Pleasuredome - "Keys to Iraq" Retarded Garfield - "Tim is on My Side" Dr. Tuborg - "Spirals" http://Aural-Innovations.com From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 14:59:51 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:59:51 -0500 Subject: So ""Off"" Your Mother Would Be Shocked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/8/07, trev wrote:(regarding our reviewer, Jon J) > > crusty semi-long hair but clean and he actually went to school once *well, the first description ruins it, probably much to Jon's relief, the second is appealing, but yet again the third is disgusting, as the heart God gave me makes sure I avoid all mankind's mental distortions* *NP: TROUBLE RUSSIAN CDR DEMO-BOOT, Track 8* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 17:00:25 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:00:25 -0500 Subject: Judge T Kollekter Kornur Message-ID: Before truly accepting possible murder, thus eliminating my own self-mastery over the crossover, there was only me and Trev Thoms.... together, by some strange fluke, secrets of creation unfolded unto us regardless of Time/Space and Brighton vs Dallas.... we've gone through some shit, b4 my public habit of vomiting on your computer tables...... that said, I, unlike any of you, have 2 MOTHER OF ALL RON TREE"S EGO discs,..... the first contains what Trev (the leader) deemed "The Sacred Gray Plectrum"....... this pick was used to record PUNKADELIC in it's ENTIRETY, and before that "MAXIMUM EFFECT" el completioso he used it for most of "MOAB", but wanted to make sure the future DELTA-WAVE could use it's power to shred through the fabric of reality and human mentality the second, WHITE LABEL "MOAB", is a huge secret mystery that I may never fully realize however I will try hard I'll see if I can get permission to share if that day arrives meanwhile, a street lady, whom my heart was drawn to offer unending service too, escaped my approach do to me own shyness and lack of desire to aid any human, escaped me on several occasions, until Nik Turner inadvertently gave me the guts without his knowing her name given to me is "Mrs Taylor", and I pray she's being helped by cosmic loving hands right this moment I told her how god took away the feeling in my 2 most important guitar playing fingers, at which point she held up her 2 crushed elderly hands that had been hit by a car, and told me to never refrain from forcing the body to pull out what nature (God) put there........ thank you Nik as it turns out it appears I may be a candidate to play bass (if I can)( in the worlds most desperate, horrific, aqua-net lyric-ed, joke of a marketing attempt the world may yet never see mc From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 8 22:49:10 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:49:10 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations Message-ID: *I thought this forum had some type of spam control????* *what I'd like to know is how does Jerry Kranitz spam us so regularly?????* *hahahahahaha (Relax Jerry, cuttin' up friendly, and that ISN'T Dickdog bullshit)* *knock off the long faces or I'll begin to think I'm in a horse barn forum* *peace(out?)* *Short Sharp Strong Voltage Shock On Private Part Coalman* From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Jul 9 05:34:03 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:03 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alriiiiiight! That's the best feedback I've had all month! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:49:10 -0500 From: mike coleman Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations *I thought this forum had some type of spam control????* *what I'd like to know is how does Jerry Kranitz spam us so regularly?????* *hahahahahaha (Relax Jerry, cuttin' up friendly, and that ISN'T Dickdog bullshit)* *knock off the long faces or I'll begin to think I'm in a horse barn forum* *peace(out?)* *Short Sharp Strong Voltage Shock On Private Part Coalman* From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 9 06:25:08 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:25:08 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > You'd always have a record of what happened, but accessing it would be hard. > I think a computer is a better memory storage system than an elephant, > though. Elephants are better suited for certain computing tusks. FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jul 8 23:13:42 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:13:42 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707081949i1e8ef791p9d178f386a43a083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: thats like saying i have never played or even listened to my copy of Sonic Attack to a stupid japanese man. c. mike coleman wrote: *I thought this forum had some type of spam control????* *what I'd like to know is how does Jerry Kranitz spam us so regularly?????* *hahahahahaha (Relax Jerry, cuttin' up friendly, and that ISN'T Dickdog bullshit)* *knock off the long faces or I'll begin to think I'm in a horse barn forum* *peace(out?)* *Short Sharp Strong Voltage Shock On Private Part Coalman* --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 9 16:10:01 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:10:01 -0400 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: <200707091025.l69AP8qJ024196@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ak! Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 9 16:27:56 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:27:56 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) Message-ID: Penny Robinson appeared: <<<<<>>>>> **Broomhilda Black-0-Widow,,,,,,Trev is poised and expecting you....do not let your window of opportunity close.... note: He responds to and understands "Blind Chick"....tell him your the blind chick looking for psychedelic punk like you've never heard......HE MIGHT BEHAVE..... as for myself, I've had a roundabout insultish invite to go stay in Brighton for a bit, and I'm taking a sack of Robert Ritchie rarities you better hope we never emerge dickdog 7th day airsign aquaman here is a link to a musical , erm, here: judge48 at hotmail.com From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 9 17:11:53 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:11:53 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707081949i1e8ef791p9d178f386a43a083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Weird Dreams Hi Mike, and Jerry, this isn't related with the topic but I thought you may find it amusing. It didn't start funny, I had the proverbial killer Migraine, so I took some medicine, I went back to sleep after a long sleep already. I had 2 really strange dreams, in the first I was doomed to repeat my last 3 years of high school in a world where the following was appropriate, "they're going to change me or make me conform. "Luckily, never succeeded. they never got me near makeup, designer clothes, (when my mom got me some alligator shirts, well, you can imagine how I had them positioned), or cut my hair. It was also a really bad time since I had nobody to take me to shows in the early '70's, and I envy everyone who was there. Seriously, envy is the wrong word, just share some memories. I've got a few real nice memories stashed, that others would wish they'd experienced. The second dream was really funny, but frustrating, Dave Brock was talking to me with an American Accent, but kept denying it was him, the more I'd insist, he'd use certain mannerisms I remember, I finally realized the game, and came to around enough to know I was dreaming, and laughed, then drifted back. Luckily, the headache isn't as bad, but I don't like to sleep that much. Mike, I know you're a dreamer, too. Yesterday out of about 30 CDs, I randomly picked out a disc my friend wanted to hear, on the first try. People had gone through them, and rearranged them, so there was no order, at all to them. She freaked, but knows that kind of thing happens to me all the time, the thing was I eluded to the fact it would. Sometimes it's a little scary. Love to all, from your strange friend, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 9 17:23:19 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:23:19 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *Yes Yes I forwarned Trev your a little good-witchie at times, but what about 'im??? 'IM???? it's almost 10:30 pm in the empire according to coleman calc......* On 7/9/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Weird Dreams > Hi Mike, and Jerry, this isn't related with the topic but I thought you > may > find it amusing. It didn't start funny, I had the proverbial killer > Migraine, so I took some medicine, I went back to sleep after a long > sleep > already. I had 2 really strange dreams, in the first I was doomed to > repeat > my last 3 years of high school in a world where the following was > appropriate, "they're going to change me or make me > conform. "Luckily, > never succeeded. they never got me near makeup, designer clothes, (when my > mom got me some alligator shirts, well, you can imagine how I had them > positioned), or cut my hair. It was also a really bad time since I had > nobody to take me to shows in the early '70's, and I envy everyone who was > there. Seriously, envy is the wrong word, just share some memories. I've > got a few real nice memories stashed, that others would wish they'd > experienced. > The second dream was really funny, but frustrating, Dave Brock was talking > to me with an American Accent, but kept denying it was him, the more I'd > insist, he'd use certain mannerisms I remember, I finally realized the > game, > and came to around enough to know I was dreaming, and laughed, > then drifted > back. Luckily, the headache isn't as bad, but I don't like to sleep that > much. Mike, I know you're a dreamer, too. > Yesterday out of about 30 CDs, I randomly picked out a disc my friend > wanted > to hear, on the first try. People had gone through them, and rearranged > them, so there was no order, at all to them. She freaked, but knows that > kind of thing happens to me all the time, the thing was I eluded to the > fact it would. Sometimes it's a little scary. > > Love to all, from your strange friend, > > Kaduflyer > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 9 17:27:01 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:27:01 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) Message-ID: no, it was my intention to ensure that mike keeps out of the uk, let alone brighton. a little misunderstanding trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) > Penny Robinson appeared: > <<<<<>>>>> > **Broomhilda Black-0-Widow,,,,,,Trev is poised and expecting you....do not > let your window of opportunity close.... > note: He responds to and understands "Blind Chick"....tell him your the > blind chick looking for psychedelic punk like you've never heard......HE > MIGHT BEHAVE..... > as for myself, I've had a roundabout insultish invite to go stay in > Brighton > for a bit, and I'm taking a sack of Robert Ritchie rarities > you better hope we never emerge > dickdog 7th day airsign aquaman > here is a link to a musical , erm, here: judge48 at hotmail.com > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 9 18:18:49 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:18:49 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/9/07, trev wrote: > > no, it was my intention to ensure that mike keeps out of the uk, let alone > brighton. > a little misunderstanding > > trev *It's too hot for me to even think about a human-mailing, however, EMSP, and TPM, will easily infiltrate your "home" (GOL)......* *just spoke to blind chick and although shy, she'll be along* From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Jul 10 07:15:18 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:15:18 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:11:53PM -0400, vzenv14m wrote: > Yesterday out of about 30 CDs, I randomly picked out a disc my friend wanted > to hear, on the first try. People had gone through them, and rearranged > them, so there was no order, at all to them. She freaked, but knows that > kind of thing happens to me all the time, the thing was I eluded to the > fact it would. Sometimes it's a little scary. My best one was many years ago a friend (someone I had been friends with for years, so he knew I was much more of a music nut than he was), came to me with this: Him: "So, Steve, I've been hearing these three songs on the radio lately that I really like, and I think they might be by the same band." Me: "The album you want is _Fly Me Courageous_, by Drivin' and Cryin'." Him: "Are you sure?" Me: "Yep." He bought it on faith, and I was right. ;-) (Truth is, it wasn't really that hard. I knew my friend's taste in music, and FMC was getting a lot of airplay at the time. It didn't take *that* much of a leap to realize that he'd been hearing Build A Fire, Fly Me Courageous, and The Innocent, and would have liked all of them. Only the fact that I leapt to that conclusion by the time he was done saying "...these three songs" was at all weird.) ;-) Steve From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 10 08:49:21 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:49:21 -0400 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707091518s3abf184csf2be786d7137b9ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: shy, me? I don't think so. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 10 08:57:30 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:57:30 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <20070709031342.40714.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't catch your analogy, sorry, but I think you have prompted me to play Sonic Attack , and you know Mike, he's always pushing the boundaries. Thanks for the idea. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 10 08:59:09 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:59:09 -0400 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707091327p3075d2c9x3975ac8570853e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, you spaceshot, You broke your own rule, if you don't know what I mean, call. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 10 09:00:33 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:00:33 -0400 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707091327p3075d2c9x3975ac8570853e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think John has become famous by getting his name on postings. Congratulations, man, you've got your 15 minutes of fame. Fly on, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 10 13:15:08 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:15:08 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS (Mary Bruce content)(and OFF at that) Message-ID: On 7/10/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hey Mike, you spaceshot, > You broke your own rule, if you don't know what I mean, call Before I go into anything, allow me to state that I *do* wish Jon fame and friends uncountable, as I would like that myself.... next, you're right, I flubbed, but so long as you don't put "danger" in front of mine, we should be OK....besides, "Blind Chick" has a sort of catchiness to it, maybe that'll stick.....hmmmm I kept falling asleep at the dollar movie last night, so I marched across a dangerous intersection (where you could have helped, since you're vision is better), and bought (erp) USA made beer bit of a hangover at moment but I'm talkable if you think I am worth any time I'm here, and I'm there, I'm MC "$u898*&^", and I'm everywhere From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Jul 11 04:46:23 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:46:23 +0200 Subject: HW: Birkenshaw Festival 1972 DVD Message-ID: Hej Just saw that this is due to be released. I know a short bit of audio exists and supposedly the whole HW set but it appears that they are not on the DVD except for an interview with Nik Turner. Sad... Bikershaw Festival - Various. DVD, GBP15.50. Rare archive film from numerous sources brings together the story of one of the great North West Festivals of the 70's. In 1972, 40,000 people turned up to one of only two multi day festivals with camping in North West England. Collected here from multiple sources are over one and a half hours of music, archive footage and stills from the festival. Featured tracks: Donovan - Only The Blues, Incredible String Band - Weather The Storm, Country Joe - Sweet Lorraine, Grateful Dead - Black Throat In Wind, New Riders Of The Purple Sage - Watcha Gonna Do, Captain Beefheart - Click Clack, Family - Part Of The Load, Kinks - You Really Got Me, Captain Beyond - I Can't Feel Nothing Past One. Also features interviews with Jerry Garcia, Nik Turner from Hawkwind, Brian Eastwood (guitar builder) & Mick middles. Due In: 30/07/2007 scott From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Jul 11 04:50:00 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:50:00 +0200 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: Hej I was just thinking about all of the long lost live material by Hawkwind... I remember discussing this with Dave Brock in Bergen, Norway and he said that he had a whole bookshelf full of cassettes, reels and of live shows from all eras but that what he could remember was that these shows were not good. Someone was playing poorly, sound was not good enough or something else and he thought that none of these would ever be released. They would rot and die and no one would ever hear them. He did say that he let Keith Kverton take some away to listen to and that is how they discovered the Calvert stuff... maybe there is hope...... I doubt it though... Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? scott From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 11 05:06:59 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:06:59 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/07/2007 09:50, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I was just thinking about all of the long lost live material by > Hawkwind... I remember discussing this with Dave Brock in Bergen, Norway > and he said that he had a whole bookshelf full of cassettes, reels and > of live shows from all eras but that what he could remember was that > these shows were not good. Someone was playing poorly, sound was not > good enough or something else and he thought that none of these would > ever be released. Well ...that didn't keep some of the stuff on the Weird Tapes from being released! Or the rather dodgy sound quality "Live '79 Complete" (or whatever it was called) from being released .... > Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive > this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? Brock/Hawkwind need his/their own equivalent of the Grateful Dead vault's Dick Latvala etc! And probably a deal with Rhino Records! ;) Though at the moment that latter is the least likely of all these possibilities, I think .... I'm sure there's a lot of stuff in Brock's attic that could be cleaned up and dressed up with powerful audio processing technology. I suspect there isn't the money to do that sort of thing right away, but the place to start would surely be the digitization/preservation of loads of tapes (assuming that sitting in a farmhouse shelf in Devon isn't doing wonders for their longevity!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 11 05:18:44 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:18:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Birkenshaw Festival 1972 DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/11/07, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > > Hej > > Just saw that this is due to be released. I know a short bit of audio > exists and supposedly the whole HW set but it appears that they are not > on the DVD except for an interview with Nik Turner. Sad... > Hi Scott......I have a different take on this......because I can "claim" myself "mental" on paper, I see it as a coded message..... an inteview with Nik from that golden time would make the whole thing a must have for me....... I wonder if a band could get away with playing nude yet, I'm desperate and in need of LOADS of MONEY the Glastonbury video I used to have had neither HW or Gong on it, but I still treasured it.........(maybe had a short Gong sound snippet) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 11 06:30:23 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:30:23 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:50:00 +0200 Message-ID: Scott Heller writes: [Dave's attic...] > Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive > this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff leaving the premises. FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 11 06:38:01 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:38:01 -0500 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <200707111030.l6BAUN7B011611@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 7/11/07, M Holmes wrote: > > Scott Heller writes: > > [Dave's attic...] > > > Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive > > this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? > > I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable > fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff > leaving the premises. either you've been down the pub, and this should read "not against", or there is some clever cheese in this that I'll have to work on. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 11 07:01:58 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:01:58 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <200707111030.l6BAUN7B011611@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 11/07/2007 11:30, M Holmes wrote: > Scott Heller writes: >> Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive >> this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? > > I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable > fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff > leaving the premises. But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri Gargarin style releases, but without record label involvement (and more importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone take the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Wed Jul 11 07:17:02 2007 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:17:02 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up recordings on their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. the recordings could then be released through the hawkwind website for whatever price would be suitable. maybe even only to passport holders and then the question of quality is somewhat negated by the fact that they would only be going to hardcore fans. everyone would be a winner. i would certainly give up time to catalogue such items as long as there was a chance of hearing them. john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > On 11/07/2007 11:30, M Holmes wrote: >> Scott Heller writes: >>> Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive >>> this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? >> >> I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable >> fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff >> leaving the premises. > > But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog > and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would > perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's > worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri > Gargarin style releases, but without record label involvement (and more > importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone take > the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Jul 11 07:24:41 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:24:41 -0700 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <000901c7c3ad$019acff0$d70c6b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: The permission of all the artistes involved would be required though and it's likely that there are a few stumbling blocks along the way there! john-paul wrote: surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up recordings on their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. the recordings could then be released through the hawkwind website for whatever price would be suitable. maybe even only to passport holders and then the question of quality is somewhat negated by the fact that they would only be going to hardcore fans. everyone would be a winner. i would certainly give up time to catalogue such items as long as there was a chance of hearing them. john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > On 11/07/2007 11:30, M Holmes wrote: >> Scott Heller writes: >>> Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive >>> this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? >> >> I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable >> fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff >> leaving the premises. > > But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog > and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would > perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's > worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri > Gargarin style releases, but without record label involvement (and more > importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone take > the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Wed Jul 11 07:40:06 2007 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:40:06 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: any of the more recent stuff would be ok, as long as mr davey gives it the ok" which i think he would. there's a few years worth there already jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > The permission of all the artistes involved would be required though and > it's likely that there are a few stumbling blocks along the way there! > > john-paul wrote: surely there are people on > this list capable of "cleaning" up recordings on > their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. the > recordings could then be released through the hawkwind website for > whatever > price would be suitable. maybe even only to passport holders and then the > question of quality is somewhat negated by the fact that they would only > be > going to hardcore fans. everyone would be a winner. i would certainly give > up time to catalogue such items as long as there was a chance of hearing > them. > john-paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >> On 11/07/2007 11:30, M Holmes wrote: >>> Scott Heller writes: >>>> Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive >>>> this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? >>> >>> I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable >>> fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff >>> leaving the premises. >> >> But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog >> and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would >> perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's >> worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri >> Gargarin style releases, but without record label involvement (and more >> importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone take >> the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea at carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 11 07:40:17 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:40:17 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > either you've been down the pub, and this should read "not against", or > there is some clever cheese in this that I'll have to work on. You could use your mouse... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 11 07:43:31 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:43:31 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable > > fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff > > leaving the premises. > But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog > and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would > perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's > worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri > Gargarin style releases Aye. I think that's the rub. > but without record label involvement (and more > importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone > take the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! Yes, I suspect this won't get done without some dedicated fan who is trusted by Dave being willing to do it just for the love of it. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 11 07:53:56 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:53:56 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: john-paul's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:17:02 +0100 Message-ID: john-paul writes: > surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up > recordings on their computers, with the software that is available > nowadays. the recordings could then be released through the hawkwind > website for whatever price would be suitable. maybe even only to > passport holders and then the question of quality is somewhat negated > by the fact that they would only be going to hardcore fans. everyone > would be a winner. i would certainly give up time to catalogue such > items as long as there was a chance of hearing them. Absolutely. It would be great if Dave would do this as a kind of Seti at home project where those willing and trusted were given a bunch of recordings to catalogue or clean up on computer. If it worked then clearly there'd be a gain for us in more hawkwind tolisten to and potential cash for the band as the better recordings were cleaned up and, say, marketed on the web. My guess is that the sticking points are the trust issues and the historical reluctance to put downloads on the web on a for sale basis. Possibly the trust issues could be resolved by limiting it to a small circle of willing fans, and tracking who got what work to do so that any leakages could later be traced. As for later distribution on a Pay-Per-Click basis to make the band some money, the skills to set that up are certainly available amongst us too. The project could be done with a fairly high level of security just by tracking who got what. I'd certainly volunteer to help organise that and to do some cataloguing and cleaning. Organising such projects is what I do in my day job and the rest I've done as a hobby anyway. So out of curiosity: how much resource do we have? How many folks could and would contribute to what parts of such a project? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 11 07:59:49 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:59:49 +0100 Subject: Boldly Go dudes! Message-ID: Really, you could be the first folks to see some of these galaxies, and you can help with astronomical research: www.galaxyzoo.org FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 11 08:10:04 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:04 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <000901c7c3ad$019acff0$d70c6b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: On 11/07/2007 12:17, john-paul wrote: > surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up recordings > on their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. Well .... I don't think it's _quite_ as easy as just that. Sure, any of us can load up a WAV file and tweak the EQ a bit -- but cleaning up and/or remixing archival audio *well* still requires (I think) pro-grade gear and (not to be forgotten) a good and well-trained ear. Though, obviously, the cost of the technology keeps coming down and the capabilities keep going up so the possibilities improve with each passing minute. (Ears, however, remain at a premium! ;) Of course, a rubbish quality source is still a rubbish quality source. There's only so much that can be done to fix up, say, grimy 2-track audio that sounds like it was recorded in a toilet. You might be able to make it sound like it was recorded in a slightly posher toilet :) but that's about it. Still, the likelihood is that Dave's got a few gems squirreled away that could well be polished off. IMO, selling digital downloads of any forthcoming archival material direct from the band's web site or through an outfit like livedownloads.com or whatever is the way forward. No CD production and shipping costs! :) More percentage for the band, cheaper music for the fans :) Cheers, Carl ps - I've heard some very good fan-made rescues of archival Grateful Dead live recordings, though when I say "fan" here, I mean fans who happen to be pro audio engineers with a studio full of snazzy gear over which hunched for *aeons* of their spare time, manually ironing out each click and pop in the source tapes. Sounded pretty good in the end, but clearly a _lot_ of work. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Jul 11 08:29:09 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:29:09 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <4694C89C.4010806@carlaz.com> Message-ID: don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those involved. Iain Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 11/07/2007, 13:10: > On 11/07/2007 12:17, john-paul wrote: > > surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up > recordings > > on their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. > > Well .... I don't think it's _quite_ as easy as just that. Sure, any of > us can load up a WAV file and tweak the EQ a bit -- but cleaning up > and/or remixing archival audio *well* still requires (I think) pro-grade > gear and (not to be forgotten) a good and well-trained ear. Though, > obviously, the cost of the technology keeps coming down and the > capabilities keep going up so the possibilities improve with each > passing minute. (Ears, however, remain at a premium! ;) > > Of course, a rubbish quality source is still a rubbish quality source. > There's only so much that can be done to fix up, say, grimy 2-track > audio that sounds like it was recorded in a toilet. You might be able > to make it sound like it was recorded in a slightly posher toilet :) but > that's about it. > > Still, the likelihood is that Dave's got a few gems squirreled away that > could well be polished off. IMO, selling digital downloads of any > forthcoming archival material direct from the band's web site or through > an outfit like livedownloads.com or whatever is the way forward. No CD > production and shipping costs! :) More percentage for the band, cheaper > music for the fans :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > ps - I've heard some very good fan-made rescues of archival Grateful > Dead live recordings, though when I say "fan" here, I mean fans who > happen to be pro audio engineers with a studio full of snazzy gear over > which hunched for *aeons* of their spare time, manually ironing out each > click and pop in the source tapes. Sounded pretty good in the end, but > clearly a _lot_ of work. > From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed Jul 11 08:31:30 2007 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:31:30 +0200 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <4694C89C.4010806@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's place! 2007-07-11 kl. 14.10 skrev Carl Edlund Anderson: On 11/07/2007 12:17, john-paul wrote: > surely there are people on this list capable of "cleaning" up > recordings on their computers, with the software that is available > nowadays. Well .... I don't think it's _quite_ as easy as just that. Sure, any of us can load up a WAV file and tweak the EQ a bit -- but cleaning up and/or remixing archival audio *well* still requires (I think) pro-grade gear and (not to be forgotten) a good and well-trained ear. Though, obviously, the cost of the technology keeps coming down and the capabilities keep going up so the possibilities improve with each passing minute. (Ears, however, remain at a premium! ;) Of course, a rubbish quality source is still a rubbish quality source. There's only so much that can be done to fix up, say, grimy 2-track audio that sounds like it was recorded in a toilet. You might be able to make it sound like it was recorded in a slightly posher toilet :) but that's about it. Still, the likelihood is that Dave's got a few gems squirreled away that could well be polished off. IMO, selling digital downloads of any forthcoming archival material direct from the band's web site or through an outfit like livedownloads.com or whatever is the way forward. No CD production and shipping costs! :) More percentage for the band, cheaper music for the fans :) Cheers, Carl ps - I've heard some very good fan-made rescues of archival Grateful Dead live recordings, though when I say "fan" here, I mean fans who happen to be pro audio engineers with a studio full of snazzy gear over which hunched for *aeons* of their spare time, manually ironing out each click and pop in the source tapes. Sounded pretty good in the end, but clearly a _lot_ of work. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ _______ To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects for the future.- Neil Peart From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Jul 11 08:38:31 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:38:31 -0700 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <001901c7c3b0$3af147e0$d70c6b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s material aren't we? Ian john-paul wrote: any of the more recent stuff would be ok, as long as mr davey gives it the ok" which i think he would. there's a few years worth there already jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > The permission of all the artistes involved would be required though and > it's likely that there are a few stumbling blocks along the way there! > > john-paul wrote: surely there are people on > this list capable of "cleaning" up recordings on > their computers, with the software that is available nowadays. the > recordings could then be released through the hawkwind website for > whatever > price would be suitable. maybe even only to passport holders and then the > question of quality is somewhat negated by the fact that they would only > be > going to hardcore fans. everyone would be a winner. i would certainly give > up time to catalogue such items as long as there was a chance of hearing > them. > john-paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >> On 11/07/2007 11:30, M Holmes wrote: >>> Scott Heller writes: >>>> Any thoughts?? Any chance Dave would let someone transfer and archive >>>> this stuff before it is truely lost for ever?? >>> >>> I've spoken to him about this in the past. He's not agin a knowledgeable >>> fan doing some cataloguing work. However he wasn't keen on the stuff >>> leaving the premises. >> >> But I think you'd need to get someone in there to do some basic catalog >> and digitization in a relatively short space of time. Then Dave would >> perhaps allow the copies off-site for further work. One presumes he's >> worried about someone doing a runner and putting out loads of Yuri >> Gargarin style releases, but without record label involvement (and more >> importantly, funding) it would just be too expensive to have someone take >> the time to sit in Dave's farm sorting through everything! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea at carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 11 10:19:00 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:19:00 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <132584.26735.qm@web26914.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: > Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s material aren't we? Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile stuff from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those > involved. Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival releases. That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the song-writers! ;) On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's > place! Yup! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 11 10:27:39 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:27:39 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <4694C89C.4010806@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 11 Jul 2007, at 1:10 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Still, the likelihood is that Dave's got a few gems squirreled away > that > could well be polished off. IMO, selling digital downloads of any > forthcoming archival material direct from the band's web site or > through > an outfit like livedownloads.com or whatever is the way forward. > No CD > production and shipping costs! :) More percentage for the band, > cheaper > music for the fans :) I wouldn't hold my breath expecting this to materialise. Wasn't a live shows downloads service announced as "forthcoming" (or similar) around the time the band decided officially to put the kibosh on fan trading of same? Given past history, I just don't see anything like this happening, but it would be nice to be proved wrong. :-) Cheers, Paul. > ps - I've heard some very good fan-made rescues of archival Grateful > Dead live recordings, though when I say "fan" here, I mean fans who > happen to be pro audio engineers with a studio full of snazzy gear > over > which hunched for *aeons* of their spare time, manually ironing out > each > click and pop in the source tapes. Sounded pretty good in the end, > but > clearly a _lot_ of work. Not to mention the various matrix versions of live shows that get put out by tapers and traders. Didn't the Allman Brothers Band actually officially release some of the Capt. Skipper remasters on their own archive label? e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 11 10:36:18 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:36:18 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/07/2007 15:27, Paul Mather wrote: > I wouldn't hold my breath expecting this to materialise. Wasn't a live > shows downloads service announced as "forthcoming" (or similar) around > the time the band decided officially to put the kibosh on fan trading of > same? I remember the kibosh on trading (bad idea, IMO) but have forgotten any live downloads service (probably because I would have had difficulty believing in it ;) > Given past history, I just don't see anything like this happening, but > it would be nice to be proved wrong. :-) Hard to disagree with either sentiment ;) > Didn't the Allman Brothers Band actually officially release some of the > Capt. Skipper remasters on their own archive label? Did they? I know they've been releasing archive stuff, but haven't read about the work done on the sources. It wouldn't surprise me in the least, though! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Jul 11 12:03:08 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:03:08 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 03:27:39PM +0100, Paul Mather wrote: > > I wouldn't hold my breath expecting this to materialise. Wasn't a > live shows downloads service announced as "forthcoming" (or similar) If Dave or Kris is reading this, I have my credit card ready. ;-) Steve From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Wed Jul 11 12:30:17 2007 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:30:17 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: well i have a recording of every gig the hawks played last year and after tweaking them with various pieces of software all of them are as good if not better than some official releases. if mr brock and co don't want to make any money thats their problem but its seems very stupid to me. i would rather buy an official release and give the band something back for the years of enjoyment they have given me. but if they can't be bothered, well i need my regular hawk fix so a trading i will go jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really >> people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived >> by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s >> material aren't we? > > Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile stuff > from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that > Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from > the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that > expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that > period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! > > On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: > > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those > > involved. > > Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems > would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. > > I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival releases. > That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone > could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts > ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the > band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the > song-writers! ;) > > On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to > > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's > > place! > > Yup! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 11 21:49:51 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:49:51 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <200707111153.l6BBrucP028751@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I like your ideas about making more Hawkwind available, but I doubt Dave would trust any but a select few with his life's work. Understandable. We fans are left waiting, hoping for whatever releases we can get. From what Chris has told me, Pro-tools, is a popular software program for enhancing the quality on bootleg tapes. I can see where there'd be issues there, in people's perceptual image of the Hawkwind sound. The band are the harshest critics, especially on themselves. While touring with them, you could tell when a show really worked. Just a few thoughts. Pleasant dreams, Kaduflyer P.S. I don't think I'll be sleeping much, the outside of my a.c. unit is frozen with several inches of water. I shut it off this morning before I went out, because it didn't and still doesn't sound right. I hope the thing isn't dying. I'd have thought the water would have dissolved by now. I'm glad I didn't leave it on, if something were to happen, the cat's life would be in danger. Send some cool thoughts this way? From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 11 21:49:56 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:49:56 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <994079.63424.qm@web26911.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A few? Actually I try to remain hopeful. Kaduflyer From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jul 12 00:31:43 2007 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:31:43 -0600 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd love to hear some of this material. Kadu: I wish you luck with that-Here in Boise, it's been running around the 100 degree mark-and my taxi swears at me if I run the air conditioning:( Also, my swamp cooler's swamp part isn't working, so am just running the fan. I feel for ya! Cool showers rule!!! Pam vzenv14m wrote: > I like your ideas about making more Hawkwind available, but I doubt Dave > would trust any but a select few with his life's work. Understandable. We > fans are left waiting, hoping for whatever releases we can get. From what > Chris has told me, Pro-tools, is a popular software program for enhancing > the quality on bootleg tapes. I can see where there'd be issues there, in > people's perceptual image of the Hawkwind sound. The band are the harshest > critics, especially on themselves. While touring with them, you could tell > when a show really worked. Just a few thoughts. > > Pleasant dreams, > > Kaduflyer > > P.S. I don't think I'll be sleeping much, the outside of my a.c. unit is > frozen with several inches of water. I shut it off this morning before I > went out, because it didn't and still doesn't sound right. I hope the thing > isn't dying. I'd have thought the water would have dissolved by now. I'm > glad I didn't leave it on, if something were to happen, the cat's life would > be in danger. Send some cool thoughts this way? > > > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 04:09:59 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:09:59 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I discussed this with Dave back in 2003, his main objections were: 1. The amount of work involved in putting material together. 2. That people would just make copies of the downloads and distribute them. My responses were/are: 1. Work is how people get money! 2. That also applies to CDs; this is no different. However, the real stumbling block would be getting everyone involved to agree. There might also be a problem about who actually owns the rights to some live recordings. Some recording contracts cover not just released material but also assign the rights to any recordings made during the period of the contract to the record label! Paul Mather wrote: On 11 Jul 2007, at 1:10 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Still, the likelihood is that Dave's got a few gems squirreled away > that > could well be polished off. IMO, selling digital downloads of any > forthcoming archival material direct from the band's web site or > through > an outfit like livedownloads.com or whatever is the way forward. > No CD > production and shipping costs! :) More percentage for the band, > cheaper > music for the fans :) I wouldn't hold my breath expecting this to materialise. Wasn't a live shows downloads service announced as "forthcoming" (or similar) around the time the band decided officially to put the kibosh on fan trading of same? Given past history, I just don't see anything like this happening, but it would be nice to be proved wrong. :-) Cheers, Paul. > ps - I've heard some very good fan-made rescues of archival Grateful > Dead live recordings, though when I say "fan" here, I mean fans who > happen to be pro audio engineers with a studio full of snazzy gear > over > which hunched for *aeons* of their spare time, manually ironing out > each > click and pop in the source tapes. Sounded pretty good in the end, > but > clearly a _lot_ of work. Not to mention the various matrix versions of live shows that get put out by tapers and traders. Didn't the Allman Brothers Band actually officially release some of the Capt. Skipper remasters on their own archive label? e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 04:11:24 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:11:24 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <004701c7c3d8$c47e43f0$a2206b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: Well said! john-paul wrote: well i have a recording of every gig the hawks played last year and after tweaking them with various pieces of software all of them are as good if not better than some official releases. if mr brock and co don't want to make any money thats their problem but its seems very stupid to me. i would rather buy an official release and give the band something back for the years of enjoyment they have given me. but if they can't be bothered, well i need my regular hawk fix so a trading i will go jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really >> people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived >> by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s >> material aren't we? > > Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile stuff > from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that > Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from > the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that > expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that > period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! > > On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: > > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those > > involved. > > Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems > would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. > > I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival releases. > That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone > could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts > ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the > band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the > song-writers! ;) > > On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to > > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's > > place! > > Yup! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Jul 12 07:27:46 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:27:46 +0200 Subject: HW:Live archive material Message-ID: Hej It is nice to see that a greater discussion has begun. As has been mentioned and I should have mentioned before, the major thing standing in the way of all of this is probably permissions and royalties and all that shit... Perhaps, the best is to just forget that any of this exists.. And let it be...sadly enough... The only other way out is to just make it all freely available. Back to bed... Scott From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 12 08:58:49 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:58:49 +0100 Subject: HW:Live archive material In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:27:46 +0200 Message-ID: Scott Heller writes: > It is nice to see that a greater discussion has begun. As has been > mentioned and I should have mentioned before, the major thing standing > in the way of all of this is probably permissions and royalties and all > that shit... Given the bad blood between certain ex-members and members, I can see that the royalties issue is a bit of a killer. What does the law say? if some cash is made and a reasnably appropriate amount put aside and banked for a future claim once the sulk is over, would that cover things? Or does everyone have to give signed permission before any move is made? FoFP From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 09:17:16 2007 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:17:16 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: to be quite honest i'm a bit fed up with all the same old excuses. if mr brock wanted it enough he would find a way. lets face it in todays england people get away with a lot more serious stuff than releasing some songs without full permission. my conclusion is mr brock is just a big spoiled child and if everyone is not playing to his rules then he is taking his ball home. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: live material > Well said! > > john-paul wrote: well i have a recording of > every gig the hawks played last year and after > tweaking them with various pieces of software all of them are as good if > not > better than some official releases. if mr brock and co don't want to make > any money thats their problem but its seems very stupid to me. i would > rather buy an official release and give the band something back for the > years of enjoyment they have given me. but if they can't be bothered, well > i > need my regular hawk fix so a trading i will go > jp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >> On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: >>> Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really >>> people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived >>> by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s >>> material aren't we? >> >> Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile >> stuff >> from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that >> Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from >> the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that >> expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that >> period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: >> > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those >> > involved. >> >> Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems >> would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. >> >> I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival >> releases. >> That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone >> could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts >> ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the >> band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the >> song-writers! ;) >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to >> > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's >> > place! >> >> Yup! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea at carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 09:29:01 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:29:01 +0100 Subject: HW:Live archive material In-Reply-To: <200707121258.l6CCwn4v027725@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Normally, you would need the written agreement of everyone as to how the income is to be divided up. That was what sank the EMI deal a few years ago. M Holmes wrote: Scott Heller writes: > It is nice to see that a greater discussion has begun. As has been > mentioned and I should have mentioned before, the major thing standing > in the way of all of this is probably permissions and royalties and all > that shit... Given the bad blood between certain ex-members and members, I can see that the royalties issue is a bit of a killer. What does the law say? if some cash is made and a reasnably appropriate amount put aside and banked for a future claim once the sulk is over, would that cover things? Or does everyone have to give signed permission before any move is made? FoFP From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 09:32:54 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:32:54 -0700 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <002001c7c486$f86d6890$05196b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number of reasons why he might not want to: Permissions Work involved Financial risk Quality of material etc, etc None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! To help conclude the debate though, I do understand that the converting/preserving as a project is more or less done and from anecdotal stuff I've picked up over the years (and I'm not saying this is gospel) the amount of material isn't as extensive or as era-spanning as people in this thread might think. Ian john-paul wrote: to be quite honest i'm a bit fed up with all the same old excuses. if mr brock wanted it enough he would find a way. lets face it in todays england people get away with a lot more serious stuff than releasing some songs without full permission. my conclusion is mr brock is just a big spoiled child and if everyone is not playing to his rules then he is taking his ball home. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: live material > Well said! > > john-paul wrote: well i have a recording of > every gig the hawks played last year and after > tweaking them with various pieces of software all of them are as good if > not > better than some official releases. if mr brock and co don't want to make > any money thats their problem but its seems very stupid to me. i would > rather buy an official release and give the band something back for the > years of enjoyment they have given me. but if they can't be bothered, well > i > need my regular hawk fix so a trading i will go > jp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >> On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: >>> Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really >>> people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived >>> by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s >>> material aren't we? >> >> Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile >> stuff >> from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that >> Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from >> the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that >> expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that >> period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: >> > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those >> > involved. >> >> Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems >> would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. >> >> I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival >> releases. >> That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone >> could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts >> ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the >> band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the >> song-writers! ;) >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to >> > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's >> > place! >> >> Yup! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea at carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Jul 12 09:44:11 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:44:11 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <402037.22213.qm@web26908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agreed, But its all the usual bollocks we as fans have to listen to... There is material, both audio & video, that we should get to see & hear, but because everyone who has flown in the mothership wants their ? for any release, and because of past personal disagreements - we won't get to see it... Its just such a shame that All parties cannot just agree to an equal share of any Dividends that might come out of any sale. It cant be that much !!!!!! But I'm sure its way more complicated that just that, Music & video from a business angle has always been a nightmare, and I don't suppose it will get any easier.. I just wish like all of us, that we could just get to see & hear whats in the vaults... iain Ian Abrahams wrote on 12/07/2007, 14:32: > That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should > release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number > of reasons why he might not want to: > Permissions > Work involved > Financial risk > Quality of material > etc, etc > None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 12 09:46:08 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:46:08 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:32:54 -0700 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > To help conclude the debate though, I do understand that the > converting/preserving as a project is more or less done "Digital Curation" is the term used by those in the biz. FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 12 10:04:02 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:04:02 -0500 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <200707121346.l6CDk8vV004585@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi hear that?? neither do I!! that silence could mean god-only-knows-what is brewing in the HW camp, but I bet something will be if it isn't yet.... now that Dave is married, who knows, it might effect the heart and be good for us, etc (realizing this is a strange notion, concept) bad news though, I've just done a remote viewing of the vault and it's loaded......I mean LOADED........70's stuff that can kill,,,,,,the REAL problem is that it's TOO good, and comparing that stuff with current HW material is too diffferent, thus it stays unreleased and the color video footage I've just seen, you don't even want to know...... hehehee m From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jul 12 13:50:28 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:50:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Free concert 'under the stars' with Vince Martell of Vanilla Fudge 6/14 Message-ID: Hi Friends, On Saturday, July 14th ( this coming sat ), there will be a free concert 'Under the Stars' featuring Vince Martell of Vanilla Fudge fame!! The show begins at 8PM and takes place at Oldman's Family Campground in Monroeville New Jersey..See Vinny's website for complete details at: http://www.Vincemartell.com Remember the Vanilla Fudge version of 'Keep Me Hangin on'? Well, refresh your memory at http://www.myspace.com/Vanillafudgenow My friend Stewkey, lead singer of the legendary Nazz may also be in attendance, so anything could happen. This is going to be a concert not to miss, and maybe one of the area's 'best kept secret shows'. If you love the Rock-n-Roll of the 60's and 70's and like to see it played by original artists, then come on out and join us!!! Please visit Stewkey & Nazz's sites at: http://www.myspace.com/Nazz featuringstewkey and http://www.Stewkey.com ( with links to new and vintage Nazz videos on youtube ) Peace, Mike Burro http://www.oneeyedbishops.com ( Now featuring a FREE UPLOAD of The One Eyed Bishops & Stewkey at the 2nd annual 'Highway to Healthcare' charity cycle run ) http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jul 12 19:04:45 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:04:45 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: You mean everyone who has ever played in the band receives an equal share of any and all revenues generated from the release of live material? Such equality would certainly mean that no one person would ever make a fortune out of it since there would be such a large number of people involved. It might not be an impossible task to draw up such a list. I seem to remember (way back when I used to receive BOC mailings on a mainframe computer) a gig list going back to the 70s listing not only the tracks but also the band members on stage for each show! It's true that some people have only ever played once or twice with the band and never composed any of the music so there's a strong argument for a considerable element of inequality involved in such a share out. But taking the view that everyone who has ever played in the band, whether once or a thousand times, has helped to create the Hawkwind sound and maintain the name, and thinking of the benefits of spreading large amounts of Hawkwind live all around the world........... Only dreaming! jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material Agreed, But its all the usual bollocks we as fans have to listen to... There is material, both audio & video, that we should get to see & hear, but because everyone who has flown in the mothership wants their ? for any release, and because of past personal disagreements - we won't get to see it... Its just such a shame that All parties cannot just agree to an equal share of any Dividends that might come out of any sale. It cant be that much !!!!!! But I'm sure its way more complicated that just that, Music & video from a business angle has always been a nightmare, and I don't suppose it will get any easier.. I just wish like all of us, that we could just get to see & hear whats in the vaults... iain Ian Abrahams wrote on 12/07/2007, 14:32: > That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should > release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number > of reasons why he might not want to: > Permissions > Work involved > Financial risk > Quality of material > etc, etc > None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! From management at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Jul 12 19:20:53 2007 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:20:53 +0100 Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: It is what we are working on at the moment...........or has no one noticed how many times this has been announced recently? Please do not criticise what you don't understand.......there is a lot of hard work going on here.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material > Agreed, > > But its all the usual bollocks we as fans have to listen to... > > There is material, both audio & video, that we should get to see & hear, > but because everyone who has flown in the mothership wants their ? for > any release, and because of past personal disagreements - we won't get > to see it... > > Its just such a shame that All parties cannot just agree to an equal > share of any Dividends that might come out of any sale. It cant be that > much !!!!!! > > But I'm sure its way more complicated that just that, Music & video from > a business angle has always been a nightmare, and I don't suppose it > will get any easier.. > > I just wish like all of us, that we could just get to see & hear whats > in the vaults... > > iain > > Ian Abrahams wrote on 12/07/2007, 14:32: > > > That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should > > release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number > > of reasons why he might not want to: > > Permissions > > Work involved > > Financial risk > > Quality of material > > etc, etc > > None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 12 20:33:58 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:33:58 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <402037.22213.qm@web26908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12 Jul 2007, at 14:32, Ian Abrahams wrote: > To help conclude the debate though, I do understand that the > converting/preserving as a project is more or less done Ah! Well, that would be good news. Even if we don't hear it anytime soon, at least it will have been conserved for the time being. (As the post from "Hawkwind", be that Kris or Dave or whoever, pointed out, simply digitizing loads of old tapes is a lot of work. Then trying to clean it up is even _more_ work. The way these things go, the margins on revenue-to-effort are pretty low ....) > and from anecdotal stuff I've picked up over the years (and I'm not > saying this is gospel) the amount of material isn't as extensive or > as era-spanning as people in this thread might think. Probably not :) But as _Von Ryan's Express_ so cogently observed, "if even one escapes, it is a victory". (Or words to that effect .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Fri Jul 13 04:23:01 2007 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:23:01 EDT Subject: HW: live material Message-ID: Didn't he get shot, running for the train, at the end of Von Ryans Express......? Martin From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 13 04:37:51 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:37:51 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13/07/2007 09:23, Martin Hutchby wrote: > Didn't he get shot, running for the train, at the end of Von Ryans > Express......? Yeah, but the _other_ guys got away! Which, as a (highly doubtful) metaphor for the release of archival Hawkwind material, I will choose to interpret hopefully :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Jul 13 05:04:49 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:04:49 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <002001c7c486$f86d6890$05196b58@johnpaul> Message-ID: If Dave chooses not to release the material, that is up to him really. To be honest, there is not as much there as most people seem to think. john-paul wrote: to be quite honest i'm a bit fed up with all the same old excuses. if mr brock wanted it enough he would find a way. lets face it in todays england people get away with a lot more serious stuff than releasing some songs without full permission. my conclusion is mr brock is just a big spoiled child and if everyone is not playing to his rules then he is taking his ball home. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: live material > Well said! > > john-paul wrote: well i have a recording of > every gig the hawks played last year and after > tweaking them with various pieces of software all of them are as good if > not > better than some official releases. if mr brock and co don't want to make > any money thats their problem but its seems very stupid to me. i would > rather buy an official release and give the band something back for the > years of enjoyment they have given me. but if they can't be bothered, well > i > need my regular hawk fix so a trading i will go > jp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >> On 11/07/2007 13:38, Ian Abrahams wrote: >>> Not as certain about that as you are - but more to the point, really >>> people aren't talking about current/recent stuff, which if it's archived >>> by the band must be soundboard stuff. We're really talking about 70s >>> material aren't we? >> >> Probably most people are -- but IMO there's probably some worthwhile >> stuff >> from most periods in the band's history. I'm disappoint that that >> Roadburn 2006 gig never came out, and I wouldn't mind hearing more from >> the Electric Teepee-era 3-piece. I think it would be tough to top that >> expanded release of Live Chronicles that came out from Griffin for that >> period, but you never know what's in the vault until you listen! >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:29, Iain Ferguson wrote: >> > don't forget chaps, that there woyld be royalties to all those >> > involved. >> >> Well, that's supposed be what _normally_ happens -- admittedly, it seems >> would be something of a new and rare event in Hawkwind's history. >> >> I don't think anyone would make a _lot_ of money out of archival >> releases. >> That '74 vintage 1999 Party release was about as good as anything anyone >> could hope to turn up, and I don't think it exactly burned up the charts >> ;) But official archival releases would offer an expanded view of the >> band's history and maybe bring in some beer money (at least for the >> song-writers! ;) >> >> On 11/07/2007 13:31, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> > I think the critical issue is to get the sound from tape to >> > what-ever-format (preferably 24/96)! Which has to be done at Dave's >> > place! >> >> Yup! >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea at carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Jul 13 05:06:48 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:06:48 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <00e101c7c4d9$0a583a10$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: No, revenues would go to the songwriters and the performers on the indivudual recordings. Jill Strobridge wrote: You mean everyone who has ever played in the band receives an equal share of any and all revenues generated from the release of live material? Such equality would certainly mean that no one person would ever make a fortune out of it since there would be such a large number of people involved. It might not be an impossible task to draw up such a list. I seem to remember (way back when I used to receive BOC mailings on a mainframe computer) a gig list going back to the 70s listing not only the tracks but also the band members on stage for each show! It's true that some people have only ever played once or twice with the band and never composed any of the music so there's a strong argument for a considerable element of inequality involved in such a share out. But taking the view that everyone who has ever played in the band, whether once or a thousand times, has helped to create the Hawkwind sound and maintain the name, and thinking of the benefits of spreading large amounts of Hawkwind live all around the world........... Only dreaming! jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: HW: live material Agreed, But its all the usual bollocks we as fans have to listen to... There is material, both audio & video, that we should get to see & hear, but because everyone who has flown in the mothership wants their ? for any release, and because of past personal disagreements - we won't get to see it... Its just such a shame that All parties cannot just agree to an equal share of any Dividends that might come out of any sale. It cant be that much !!!!!! But I'm sure its way more complicated that just that, Music & video from a business angle has always been a nightmare, and I don't suppose it will get any easier.. I just wish like all of us, that we could just get to see & hear whats in the vaults... iain Ian Abrahams wrote on 12/07/2007, 14:32: > That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should > release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number > of reasons why he might not want to: > Permissions > Work involved > Financial risk > Quality of material > etc, etc > None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 13 05:28:03 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:28:03 +0000 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <725789.88829.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To be honest as much as I love it when live shows are released like Chicago '74 a couple of years back, I have simply hundreds of official and non-official audio recordings of the band. What I would love to see released is some earlier video footage, but goign on the recent BBC documentary there obviously isn't a lot around from the 70's. I would love to see the Hawklords stuff that was shown on the Top Ten programmes a few years back, if the band could get that released that would make my day. >From: Colin Allen >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: live material >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:06:48 +0100 > >No, revenues would go to the songwriters and the performers on the >indivudual recordings. > >Jill Strobridge wrote: > You mean everyone who has ever played in the band receives an equal >share of >any and all revenues generated from the release of live material? Such >equality would certainly mean that no one person would ever make a fortune >out of it since there would be such a large number of people involved. It >might not be an impossible task to draw up such a list. I seem to >remember (way back when I used to receive BOC mailings on a mainframe >computer) a gig list going back to the 70s listing not only the tracks but >also the band members on stage for each show! It's true that some people >have only ever played once or twice with the band and never composed any of >the music so there's a strong argument for a considerable element of >inequality involved in such a share out. But taking the view that everyone >who has ever played in the band, whether once or a thousand times, has >helped to create the Hawkwind sound and maintain the name, and thinking of >the benefits of spreading large amounts of Hawkwind live all around the >world........... > >Only dreaming! >jill > >============================================== >Jill Strobridge >============================================== >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Iain Ferguson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:44 PM >Subject: Re: HW: live material > > >Agreed, > >But its all the usual bollocks we as fans have to listen to... > >There is material, both audio & video, that we should get to see & hear, >but because everyone who has flown in the mothership wants their ? for >any release, and because of past personal disagreements - we won't get >to see it... > >Its just such a shame that All parties cannot just agree to an equal >share of any Dividends that might come out of any sale. It cant be that >much !!!!!! > >But I'm sure its way more complicated that just that, Music & video from >a business angle has always been a nightmare, and I don't suppose it >will get any easier.. > >I just wish like all of us, that we could just get to see & hear whats >in the vaults... > >iain > >Ian Abrahams wrote on 12/07/2007, 14:32: > > > That's a bit strong really! There is no reason at all why Dave should > > release anything at all if he doesn't want to and there are any number > > of reasons why he might not want to: > > Permissions > > Work involved > > Financial risk > > Quality of material > > etc, etc > > None of that equates to being a 'spoiled child'! _________________________________________________________________ Watch all 9 Live Earth concerts live on MSN. http://liveearth.uk.msn.com From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Jul 13 06:22:27 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:22:27 +0200 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <007701c7c4db$4bc93d30$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:20:53 +0100, Hawkwind wrote > It is what we are working on at the moment...........or has no one > noticed how many times this has been announced recently? Announce it too often, and people won't believe it anymore.... > Please do not criticise what you don't understand.......there is a > lot of hard work going on here.... I think they were more cries of frustration rather than criticism. Gr, Arjan H From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 13 05:36:00 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:36:00 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <20070713070127.M84048@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: On 13/07/2007 11:22, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:20:53 +0100, Hawkwind wrote >> Please do not criticise what you don't understand.......there is a >> lot of hard work going on here.... > > I think they were more cries of frustration rather than criticism. One way or another, you can at least be sure that there's plenty of *interest*! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 13 06:46:34 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:46:34 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:33:58 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Ah! Well, that would be good news. Even if we don't hear it anytime > soon, at least it will have been conserved for the time being. (As > the post from "Hawkwind", be that Kris or Dave or whoever, pointed > out, simply digitizing loads of old tapes is a lot of work. Then > trying to clean it up is even _more_ work. The way these things go, > the margins on revenue-to-effort are pretty low ....) Unless someone gets very lucky, the reward for effort involved in any artistic endeavour if pretty damn low. If you want to get rich, you become a bond dealer working on a commission basis. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 13 06:48:25 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:48:25 +0100 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:04:49 +0100 Message-ID: > john-paul wrote: > to be quite honest i'm a bit fed up with all the same old excuses. if > mr brock wanted it enough he would find a way. lets face it in todays > england people get away with a lot more serious stuff than releasing > some songs without full permission. my conclusion is mr brock is just > a big spoiled child and if everyone is not playing to his rules then > he is taking his ball home. Come on JP, that's a bit strong. Do you reckon Dave really wants to spend more quality time in Court? FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Jul 13 07:15:51 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:15:51 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <007701c7c4db$4bc93d30$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 12:20:53AM +0100, Hawkwind wrote: > It is what we are working on at the moment...........or has no one noticed > how many times this has been announced recently? > > Please do not criticise what you don't understand.......there is a lot of > hard work going on here.... Any video in the works? We keep hearing that one person has a video from Space Ritual, and another person has the audio --it all seems pretty confusing-- but if you could re-assemble that, I can't imagine a bigger Holy Grail to the majority of Hawkwind fans... Steve From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Jul 13 13:17:33 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:17:33 -0700 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <20070710111518.GA1904@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Their singer, Kevn Kinney has some good albums. Acoustic stuff. Stephen Swann wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:11:53PM -0400, vzenv14m wrote: > Yesterday out of about 30 CDs, I randomly picked out a disc my friend wanted > to hear, on the first try. People had gone through them, and rearranged > them, so there was no order, at all to them. She freaked, but knows that > kind of thing happens to me all the time, the thing was I eluded to the > fact it would. Sometimes it's a little scary. My best one was many years ago a friend (someone I had been friends with for years, so he knew I was much more of a music nut than he was), came to me with this: Him: "So, Steve, I've been hearing these three songs on the radio lately that I really like, and I think they might be by the same band." Me: "The album you want is _Fly Me Courageous_, by Drivin' and Cryin'." Him: "Are you sure?" Me: "Yep." He bought it on faith, and I was right. ;-) (Truth is, it wasn't really that hard. I knew my friend's taste in music, and FMC was getting a lot of airplay at the time. It didn't take *that* much of a leap to realize that he'd been hearing Build A Fire, Fly Me Courageous, and The Innocent, and would have liked all of them. Only the fact that I leapt to that conclusion by the time he was done saying "...these three songs" was at all weird.) ;-) Steve --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 13 13:54:53 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:54:53 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <668644.37169.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>On 7/13/07, gary shindler wrote: > > >>Their singer, Kevn Kinney has some good albums. Acoustic stuff. > > > I am guilty of having had that "Drivin' n' Cryin'"CD...I liked that "Fly > Me Courageous" song......and before I comment, there is a WHOLE lot in music > and lyrics that I miss, don't get, lack the understanding/intelligence, > etc.....but that band topped it for me I couldn't make ANY sense out of their name or their direction, and just how does one get "flown courageous"?? realising there may be a decent answer coming, anyway, that was the first and only strong case of a CD that I just "didn't care about", "let go of", and it did...it went....no clue where..... steamin' piehole mc From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 13 15:29:49 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:29:49 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <668644.37169.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary Mike Coleman just mentioned that album about 10 minutes ago to me in a phone conversation. I like how synchronicity can throw you a curve, once in a while, I guess it keeps us in touch with call it what you like, the collective unconscious, parapsychology, or whatever. It does make things interesting. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 13 15:42:43 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:42:43 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <00e101c7c4d9$0a583a10$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Hi Jill, I hope you're doing well. Never loose your ability to dream, and maybe one day, some of the dreams you have really will hatch into reality, and everyone will be happy. Your friend, Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 13 15:46:48 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:46:48 -0400 Subject: HW: live material In-Reply-To: <007701c7c4db$4bc93d30$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: As fans we don't see things from your perspective, Dave and everyone else got us hooked on the sound, and we want more. Seriously, though, I understand there are many layers to work through, especially in a band like Hawkwind where membership is transient, so help us feed our brains when you can? Especially from last tour, yes? Your friend, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 13 15:50:22 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/13/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hi Gary > Mike Coleman just mentioned that album about 10 minutes ago to me in a > phone > conversation. I like how synchronicity can throw you a curve, once in a > while, I guess it keeps us in touch with call it what you like, the > collective unconscious, parapsychology, or whatever. It does make things > interesting. > *Mary, this one isn't covered by THE POLICE, it was simply because I had just posted about it, wondered if you knew it.....so you ditched me for the forum, don't blame you....I meant to ask you about "Fritz The Cat"* *a friend mentioned it, I know I've seen it,,,,but movies don't stay * *ok, going to corner and shutting up* *bye* *ps-in case anybody on here doesn't know, Rik Rx posted to AD subscribers that Alan has more Hawkind rare stuff available than anyone else, etc* *he was pondering why, though I suspect he knows (because Alan can, he's earned it, showing his colors, etc, and the answer to all HW mysteries can be further answered and mystified by opening the shield cover on Warrior)* From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Jul 13 17:29:38 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:29:38 -0700 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707131250n26000e56r364b11191d14195e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So this will put Allen lower in Brock's ranking than Dave Anderson? I've still not found out just exactly why Allen left HW. Gary mike coleman wrote: On 7/13/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hi Gary > Mike Coleman just mentioned that album about 10 minutes ago to me in a > phone > conversation. I like how synchronicity can throw you a curve, once in a > while, I guess it keeps us in touch with call it what you like, the > collective unconscious, parapsychology, or whatever. It does make things > interesting. > *Mary, this one isn't covered by THE POLICE, it was simply because I had just posted about it, wondered if you knew it.....so you ditched me for the forum, don't blame you....I meant to ask you about "Fritz The Cat"* *a friend mentioned it, I know I've seen it,,,,but movies don't stay * *ok, going to corner and shutting up* *bye* *ps-in case anybody on here doesn't know, Rik Rx posted to AD subscribers that Alan has more Hawkind rare stuff available than anyone else, etc* *he was pondering why, though I suspect he knows (because Alan can, he's earned it, showing his colors, etc, and the answer to all HW mysteries can be further answered and mystified by opening the shield cover on Warrior)* --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 13 17:59:57 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:59:57 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <268332.52124.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wasn't aware that Daevid had access to or been a part of any dodgy untoward HW releases!! haha but as far as Alan goes, good one!!! didn't consider that!!~!! On 7/13/07, gary shindler wrote: > > So this will put Allen lower in Brock's ranking than Dave Anderson? I've > still not found out just exactly why Allen left HW. > Gary > > mike coleman wrote: > On 7/13/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > > > Hi Gary > > Mike Coleman just mentioned that album about 10 minutes ago to me in a > > phone > > conversation. I like how synchronicity can throw you a curve, once in a > > while, I guess it keeps us in touch with call it what you like, the > > collective unconscious, parapsychology, or whatever. It does make things > > interesting. > > > > *Mary, this one isn't covered by THE POLICE, it was simply because I had > just posted about it, wondered if you knew it.....so you ditched me for > the > forum, don't blame you....I meant to ask you about "Fritz The Cat"* > *a friend mentioned it, I know I've seen it,,,,but movies don't stay * > *ok, going to corner and shutting up* > *bye* > *ps-in case anybody on here doesn't know, Rik Rx posted to AD subscribers > that Alan has more Hawkind rare stuff available than anyone else, etc* > *he was pondering why, though I suspect he knows (because Alan can, he's > earned it, showing his colors, etc, and the answer to all HW mysteries can > be further answered and mystified by opening the shield cover on Warrior)* > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 13 18:25:35 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:25:35 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <268332.52124.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: With respect to Alan vs. Dave Anderson, I think it's all in how the material's used, or in Mr. Anderson's case, abused. Whoever is continuing to rerereleases Uri, and a few other poorly bits should be ashamed of themselves for releasing something of such poor quality. If the show were released now, and had been cleaned up, a lot, I may have a different opinion, the show (from what I've heard), sounded like a really great show, and Calvert's material is brilliant. As a fan turned member I think Alan would have enough respect to release something of quality, or not at all, with all the legal wheeling and dealing. I believe, and this is opinion only, Alan probably wanted to work on more of his own material. This is all conjecture, on my part. I don't know what the vibes were between him and the rest of the band. As I've said before, I wish him all the best, and I really mean that, I've always liked Alan. Dave is Hawkwind personified. Nik may say he's the spirit of Hawkwind, and nobody can deny Nik has had a major place in the Hawkwind family, but Dave has put all his energy into the band, so I believe he has the right to determine what happens to Hawkwind music. Just a few thoughts, I know I'm not saying anything original here. Peace, Kaduflyer From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jul 14 07:50:10 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:50:10 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Jul 2007, at 23:25, vzenv14m wrote: > As a fan turned member I think Alan would have enough respect to > release > something of quality, or not at all, with all the legal wheeling and > dealing. I believe, and this is opinion only, Alan probably wanted > to work on more of his own material. This is all conjecture, on my > part. I don't know what the vibes were between him and the rest of > the band. As I've said before, I wish him all the best, and I > really mean that, I've always liked Alan. My conjectures would align with those conjectures! > Dave is Hawkwind personified. Nik may say he's the spirit of > Hawkwind, and nobody can deny Nik has had a major place in the > Hawkwind family, but Dave has put all his energy into the band, so > I believe he has the right to determine what happens to Hawkwind > music. Dave is certainly the captain of the ship. Lemmy is Mot?rhead, Iommi is Sabbath, Dave Brock is Hawkwind, etc., etc. My experience with Nik is very limited, though from where I stood he seemed like a good guy and a gentleman ... though even knowing what little I know about his personality and Dave's, I can see why there could occasionally be some ... issues :) there! Ach! Musicians and artists! Excepting that they're the only way to get music and art, nobody would ever trouble to work around all the personalities and egos and traumas and associated impedimenta! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Jul 14 10:14:11 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:14:11 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <854990B7-C999-41AD-BFFB-11154C0537AF@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:50:10PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >Dave is Hawkwind personified. Nik may say he's the spirit of > >Hawkwind, and nobody can deny Nik has had a major place in the > >Hawkwind family, but Dave has put all his energy into the band, so > >I believe he has the right to determine what happens to Hawkwind > >music. > > Dave is certainly the captain of the ship. Lemmy is Mot?rhead, Iommi > is Sabbath, Dave Brock is Hawkwind, etc., etc. My experience with Heh. Years and years ago (certainly before I knew enough to put any of this in context) I remember a list member proposing that Calvert was the mind, Nik the spirit, and Dave Brock the body of Hawkwind. ;-) I'm sure the two suriviving members of that triumvirate would just love to hear that one... Steve From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sat Jul 14 12:45:54 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:45:54 -0700 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <20070714141411.GA20696@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Makes you wonder how things would be if Calvert were still alive. Whose side would he be on? Why watch the soaps when you can just follow the drama of Hawkwind? Stephen Swann wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 12:50:10PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >Dave is Hawkwind personified. Nik may say he's the spirit of > >Hawkwind, and nobody can deny Nik has had a major place in the > >Hawkwind family, but Dave has put all his energy into the band, so > >I believe he has the right to determine what happens to Hawkwind > >music. > > Dave is certainly the captain of the ship. Lemmy is Mot?rhead, Iommi > is Sabbath, Dave Brock is Hawkwind, etc., etc. My experience with Heh. Years and years ago (certainly before I knew enough to put any of this in context) I remember a list member proposing that Calvert was the mind, Nik the spirit, and Dave Brock the body of Hawkwind. ;-) I'm sure the two suriviving members of that triumvirate would just love to hear that one... Steve --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 14 13:32:43 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:32:43 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <20070714141411.GA20696@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That's an interesting way to sum up Hawkwind, I wonder what Nik and Dave would think as well. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 14 13:37:34 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:37:34 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <921804.40036.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My friend, Ian, who worked for Hawkwind, and Jim Lascko, always used to say there's a movie in the history of Hawkwind. Sad to say, Ian isn't with us on this plane anymore. Stay cool, Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 14 15:15:25 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:15:25 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Aural Innovations In-Reply-To: <921804.40036.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can't believe what a space-shot I am, concerning my last posting. There are plains and planes, 'oopse, how embarrassing. Kaduflyer From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jul 15 17:30:15 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:30:15 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Electronic Cottage Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JULY 15, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #180), and The Electronic Cottage (show #26). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #180) Alpha Omega - "The Eye" (from The Psychedelometer) Guild Navigators - "Glimmer" (from Demos) Guild Navigators - "Dancing Skeletons into the Spacecraft" (from Cryogenic V.2.1) Guild Navigators - "Nurse Onboard" (from forthcoming Guild Navigators/Jet Jaguar split EP) Vocabularinist - "Acidic Spittle" (from Monkey Brains Controlling Robot Arms) The Fast Camels - "50 Things on Your Mind" (from The Magic Optician) Causa Sui - "Lotus" (from Free Ride) Sgt. Sunshine - "Monte Azul" (from Black Hole) The Beginning - "Soul Revolution" (from This Is The Beginning) Josiah - "Silas Brainchild" (from No Time) Amp - "Fine Day" (from All Of Yesterday Tomorrow) The Ob-Test - "8Pil" (from forthcoming Space Cheese Troopers) Lek - "Gotam" (from Giant World Knowledge Bliss Control) Grundwasser - "Waterline" (from Live Edition) Olekranon - "Halo Effect" (from Tins and Shadows) The Electronic Cottage (show #26) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Hal McGee & Dave Fuglewicz - live in Gainesville, Florida 06-07-07 (from web site download) Turkey Makes Me Sleepy - "Dawn of the Dmitri" (from The Big Part of the Wishbone) SourceCodeX - "Hell Dream Vimana" (from Primordial Lands Arise) Spookboy - "Adi Plane" (from Eclectica) William C. Harrington - "Organon the Instrument" (from Nuclear Manace) Primitive People - "Flight of the Burning" (from Ritual of Fire) Xylotone - "An Infrequent Reminder" (from 005/006) Velvet Speed - "Desertrun" (from Beneath the Region of Dead Stars) Ascanio Borga - "Dreamscape" (from Liquid Symmetries) LoganVostok - "Phobos Strain and the Elixir" (from Circuit Bent Analogue) Kyron - "Transdimensional Vehicle" (from Dark Goddess) XCross - "Kadath in the Cold Waste" (from Kadath - The Dream Quest) Mystic Tech - "Eerie Enlightenment" (from Trancendentalist) Ethereal - "11-D" (from Beyond Neptune) Area C - "Circle Attractor Part I" (from Haunt) http://Aural-Innovations.com From steve.bishop at DB.COM Mon Jul 16 05:48:37 2007 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:48:37 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Saturday In-Reply-To: <854990B7-C999-41AD-BFFB-11154C0537AF@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Any reports on how the private gig went please ? Sadly couldn't get there as moving house ................... --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Please refer to http://www.db.com/en/content/eu_disclosures.htm for additional EU corporate and regulatory disclosures. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Jul 15 21:46:58 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:46:58 +0100 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos Message-ID: um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list years ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos (which are very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime (thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should take me to the Judge on this.... regards The Bittorent Pirate hardy har har PS: the Sting and Nuclear Waste VP CD was on there - the most bizarre record I have ever heard, finally, completely utter waste of stings...... uh, strings,,,,,,,, --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 16 08:44:06 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:44:06 -0500 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <535914.47625.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: *the heart says take Steve and fly......maybe just don't admit to making me a copy...huh huh........you're welcome to share my first answer which I thought went to the list* *if you could send him a vectron blackhawk (is that right?) it might help, but it's a little after the fact now.....all mine were taken away in the great punishment which continues on to this second, however "God" has given me you, it occurs..............* *"magic's watchin' me babe........just like that"* On 7/15/07, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list years > ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos (which are > very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime (thepiratebay.org), > well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should take me to the Judge on > this.... > > regards > The Bittorent Pirate hardy har har > > PS: the Sting and Nuclear Waste VP CD was on there - the most bizarre > record I have ever heard, finally, completely utter waste of stings...... > uh, strings,,,,,,,, > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 16 08:50:48 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:50:48 +0000 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <535914.47625.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: if in doubt...bootleg bootleg bootleg judge bootleg >um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list years >ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos (which are >very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime >(thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should take me >to the Judge on this.... > >regards >The Bittorent Pirate hardy har har > >PS: the Sting and Nuclear Waste VP CD was on there - the most bizarre >record I have ever heard, finally, completely utter waste of stings...... >uh, strings,,,,,,,, > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 16 09:04:47 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:04:47 -0500 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *Trev do you now see what a lyrical retard I really am??? BTW, you're just getting more crap to make you ill but it's love and that's the point* *as for Christian...thanks brother for having me look up lyrics to "Nothing Up My Sleeve".........* ** *the gluteal cleft of BOC-L!!!!* On 7/16/07, Trev (Judge) wrote: > > if in doubt...bootleg bootleg bootleg > > judge bootleg > > >um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list years > >ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos (which are > >very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime > >(thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should take > me > >to the Judge on this.... > > > >regards > >The Bittorent Pirate hardy har har > > > >PS: the Sting and Nuclear Waste VP CD was on there - the most bizarre > >record I have ever heard, finally, completely utter waste of stings...... > > >uh, strings,,,,,,,, > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Jul 16 13:30:14 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:30:14 +0000 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos Message-ID: That sounds like something from the eve of destruction after the other eve of destruction (and a zillion more holocausts to behold - in midgard!) - "time to do it in the road"........ EACH DAWN I DIE (Infa Riot) - Rudi Portrudi etc. I'll make more sense off the STONERS IN TROUBLE ...... when I get out of it........with human bone neclaces, Black Sabbath "Children of The Sea" and a close shaven Nik from the Texas chainsaw massacre...... CAPTAIN CHRIZZ kiddrummmmferdth ----- Original Message ---- From: mike coleman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 16 July, 2007 3:04:47 PM Subject: Re: Steve Pond solo demos *Trev do you now see what a lyrical retard I really am??? BTW, you're just getting more crap to make you ill but it's love and that's the point* *as for Christian...thanks brother for having me look up lyrics to "Nothing Up My Sleeve".........* ** *the gluteal cleft of BOC-L!!!!* On 7/16/07, Trev (Judge) wrote: > > if in doubt...bootleg bootleg bootleg > > judge bootleg > > >um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list years > >ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos (which are > >very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime > >(thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should take > me > >to the Judge on this.... > > > >regards > >The Bittorent Pirate hardy har har > > > >PS: the Sting and Nuclear Waste VP CD was on there - the most bizarre > >record I have ever heard, finally, completely utter waste of stings...... > > >uh, strings,,,,,,,, > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 00:44:10 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:44:10 -0400 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <535914.47625.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd hope he'd be flattered that you'd want to hear and review his music. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 00:44:42 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:44:42 -0400 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love it, your solution is great. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 00:47:09 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:47:09 -0400 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I say that based on the hope that if people get bootlegs of other musicians they should try to do something positive for the creators of the muusic, which Christian has done in this case. Do you have the same philosophy about your music? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just curios. Your friend, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 00:55:15 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:55:15 -0500 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Penny the blind in space who can stare straight into pulsing quasars: On 7/16/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > >>I love it, your solution is great. > Marybobbanneil, only nuttin serious but you posted after yourself so > who/what solution.......???? Judge, Embalmer, Me, All, what???? do tell!!!! m From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 01:13:05 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:13:05 -0400 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707162155q308ae864g65bcccd512099aec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ha Maybe my brain's a little fuzzy from lack of sleep, but you lost me with this bit here.? Marybobbanneil, only nuttin serious but you posted after yourself so > who/what solution.......???? From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 08:26:25 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:26:25 +0000 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: if that mess is to me, yes >I say that based on the hope that if people get bootlegs of other musicians >they should try to do something positive for the creators of the muusic, >which Christian has done in this case. Do you have the same philosophy >about your music? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just curios. > >Your friend, > >Kaduflyer From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 17 08:36:22 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:36:22 +0100 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any music I've made isn't not for sale, so you can't really "bootleg" it _per se_, but I encourage anyone who wants to take it away :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 17 09:13:55 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:13:55 +0100 Subject: Party in Devon Message-ID: Any reports from anyone? Tried to organise the trip but the plane to Exeter just cost too much. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 17 13:42:13 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:42:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:16:52AM +0100, Paul Mather typed out: > If proficiency is your yardstick, surely the title goes to Ginger > Baker, then? I don't know about the obsession with robots having sex > part, though. I suppose Baker is the better drummer, and he certainly has more character--I recently got hold of the Masters of Reality album with him on and am already in love with the song about tea forever--but that character, unlike Richard's, doesn't seem to be one that anyone can stomach for long in their band. Can I get away with arguing that managing to remain part of a band qualifies as being a proficient musician? :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Cramps - _Off the Bone_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 14:36:45 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:36:45 -0400 Subject: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Trev, I'm glad you're into people sharing and turning others on to your music. Good luck with everything you do in the future, and I'm looking forward to hearing your disc, sad to say, I don't have any ICU available to me right now, I imagine , you don't have much as far as a lot of cash, so let me know what to send you in return. Music is kind of like stories, and the stuff that doesn't get handed down, over time gets lost, sometimes forever, how sad. I hope you enjoy the rest of your summer and enjoy whatever festivals you go to. We have festivals here, too, a lot of them are based around the Grateful Dead, but they're often quite expensive, or kind of far away for me, with my situation. They had a Summer of love fest, but it was about 3 hours from here, and I didn't know anyone that was going, and the tickets were too expensive. Free festivals, no. None that I know of anyway. Keep on Rockin, it's only Rock And Roll, but I need it, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 15:10:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:10:13 -0500 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) Message-ID: On 7/17/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > <<>> (oh yeah, hi Trev from D. Dog) > "you don't have much as far as a lot of cash" Merry-Maid, I know Judge well, and have helped him with personal finances etc.......it didn't look to me like he was lacking that badly, although we all need things to ever elevate our surrounding conditions.......and we MUST MUST MUST (strategically) GET, UP-TO-DATE!!!!! curious where you got that info, ......... also, ICU fans don't need or even really care to use MONEY, anyway, that's been a known aspect of the group for a while now.........they have people in positions to treat the brown acid victims I'm a skinhead, and I was going to use the saved cut cash on beer, but......that Space Ritual's callin' me, even though I need a second disc of all different cuts and extensions, hmmmmmmmm........I'll be happy if I can find a $.o75 USA copy of Eric Johnson's "Seven Worlds" CD, to replace the one Eric Johnson stole.........I've just seen a copy of the first press of Electromagnets and it's green covered......1000 of those....how to scam sam I'm close to Austin and I still fantasize I will get to advise him yet........(realizing I'd be lucky if a single person related to me on this artist round these parts, etc) Irwin Allen From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 15:57:42 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:57:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD, and BE-YAWNED Message-ID: *I was just thinking* *I've been so into Hawkwind it helped destroy me, so I don't feel bad or nasty saying* *Dave: please bring back 70's guitar sound as much as possible where you feel the mood, if you would PLEASE* *Richard: please prcactise the "power whomp/whack" of Simon King* *I want to hear old Hawkwind style sounds at this time* *no critisism, looking to the heroes, asking to receive* *mike coleman* From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 17:34:25 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:34:25 -0400 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707171210i17f8efdfp359aef7494ae8e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Irwin, I was just offering, that's all, I have no idea what the Judge's financial situation is, but I wantedhim to know I wasn't writing asking for things expecting them to be free that's all. My air conditioner seems to be working better, I called a repair store, and they said to put antifreeze in it. I'll have to get help with that, it's doing all right for now. I'll only use it when necessary, which is most of the time. My sister is dropping by at some point, call if you like. Mary From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 17:43:15 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:43:15 -0400 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707171210i17f8efdfp359aef7494ae8e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just figured since ICU aren't exactly burning up the world it would be nice for him to make a little profit from his music, like I said a minute ago, I don't want him to think I expect it for free, especially since I asked for it, there you have it. Chris told me to unplug the a.c. instead of just leaving it off, and today I woke up with a fothermucker of a migraine because I don't have a good cross vent, even though it's not really hot outside, a lot of the time. Maybe I need a tent, but there's nowhere to set it up, besides, Kosh would ruin it, and you know what I think of those flying critters. I do feel a bit better, now. Lots of love, Mary and Kosh From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 17:44:21 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:44:21 -0500 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *you see if you offer any other than the prices, he is almost as good at "mind-assertion" as me, and his focus will be on how much exaclty you have and he'll want most* *it's the new English way, quiet desperation is on hold* On 7/17/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hey Irwin, > I was just offering, that's all, I have no idea what the Judge's financial > situation is, but I wantedhim to know I wasn't writing asking for things > expecting them to be free that's all. My air conditioner seems to be > working better, I called a repair store, and they said to put antifreeze > in > it. I'll have to get help with that, it's doing all right for now. I'll > only use it when necessary, which is most of the time. > > My sister is dropping by at some point, call if you like. > > Mary > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 17:58:32 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:58:32 -0500 Subject: (OFF even on this dead thread) Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) Message-ID: **preface--yes I am being a Coalman and not formatting response right, you know I revert back pretty quick: Marry Popp-Y-In's, as in the Y......you wouldn't believe, but I swear if you act like worse than an axe murderer, shriek and howl killing death wales while axing it into many many many schards and then go out front and throw the broken pieces violenltly and vey frightening, into neighboring yard-spaces and somewhat directly at bypassesrs (this you must use clever skill), you'll get things you want and didn't realize JMH2cents Killer at least before I push one daisy On 7/17/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hey Irwin, > I was just offering, that's all, I have no idea what the Judge's financial > situation is, but I wantedhim to know I wasn't writing asking for things > expecting them to be free that's all. My air conditioner seems to be > working better, I called a repair store, and they said to put antifreeze > in > it. I'll have to get help with that, it's doing all right for now. I'll > only use it when necessary, which is most of the time. > > My sister is dropping by at some point, call if you like. > > Mary > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 18:10:02 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:10:02 -0500 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *you know that you have struck my heart despite more Hawkwind stories than my mind can take in at a damaged level that I'm told (with grins) I'll never return from.....I am brave enough to show CREATOR with action how this handiwork?? can endure not being motivated by fear of comfort, friends , a God I feel wants to hear my sap, and maybe even loss of possesions and home (if applicable in sit), nvermind disgusting food intake* *I will simply remove your head cleanly and quickly, but only because you've been so good* *it's the ONLY, REAL, answer of truth and deep in your soul, you know my words ring ACCURATE* *m "D" c* On 7/17/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > I just figured since ICU aren't exactly burning up the world it would be > nice for him to make a little profit from his music, like I said a minute > ago, I don't want him to think I expect it for free, especially since I > asked for it, there you have it. Chris told me to unplug the a.c. instead > of > just leaving it off, and today I woke up with a fothermucker of a migraine > because I don't have a good cross vent, even though it's not really hot > outside, a lot of the time. Maybe I need a tent, but there's nowhere to > set > it up, besides, Kosh would ruin it, and you know what I think of those > flying critters. I do feel a bit better, now. > > Lots of love, > > Mary and Kosh > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 19:10:43 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:10:43 -0400 Subject: (OFF even on this dead thread) Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707171458x214fa48br848568c398f9f28e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: should I try? From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 19:14:09 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:14:09 -0400 Subject: Judge Trev's Riches Bountiful (was Steve Pond and the curios Dormei in an old? addy) In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707171510y602290ecjd17b8a9c359cab8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd just grow another 1Hi Mike, From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Jul 17 19:51:16 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:51:16 -0400 Subject: private messages Message-ID: May I gently request that certain members of the list keep their messages person-to-person unless it concerns the list as a whole? I've been wading through endless back-and-forth messages of little or no worth to the community at large. Thanks, John From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 20:02:20 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:02:20 -0400 Subject: private messages In-Reply-To: <000c01c7c8cd$5dcfaa50$6401a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: Sorry, sometimes I don't check to see if a message has come in as a private 1 or not, and I'm sure I'm 1 of the primary offenders, I'll be more careful in the future. I understand, this is a Hawkwind forum, so I'll keep it cool. Mary From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Jul 17 21:28:30 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:28:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707171257v1addef39xf4d49e9ab6157f48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 02:57:42PM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > *Dave: please bring back 70's guitar sound as much as possible where you > feel the mood, if you would PLEASE* It's odd that out of like 25 unread messages I would randomly open one and see that immediately. Steve "...or is it?" From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 17 22:57:06 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:57:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD In-Reply-To: <20070718012830.GA5008@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve I'd love to get ahold of a copy of this Space Ritual with the Dvd. That's synchronicity for you. I'm no stranger to such things. Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 17 23:35:43 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:35:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD (My Banter Standard ) Message-ID: On 7/17/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > Hi Steve > I'd love to get ahold of a copy of this Space Ritual with the Dvd. > That's synchronicity for you. I'm no stranger to such things. I ordered mine today.....is that synchronicity??....no clue what I will do to pay/get it, but faith,,,,faith,,,,,,,(AND THE wALMART CHEAPEST dvd player someone wrongly expected me to appreciate (with a 30 dollar debt) is jumping tracks, etc Trev will make it work pleasant moons and stars to all, hope it's not humid outside USA Irwin From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Jul 18 05:53:14 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:53:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD In-Reply-To: <20070718012830.GA5008@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:28:30 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote > On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 02:57:42PM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > > *Dave: please bring back 70's guitar sound as much as possible where you > > feel the mood, if you would PLEASE* > > It's odd that out of like 25 unread messages I would > randomly open one and see that immediately. You only find it odd because it was the first message you read. The question of course is, would you have found it just as odd if it were the exact nth message... People cannot deal with randomness, hence the popularity of religion, astrology, scientology, etc. And to top off that 70's sound, would an in-your-face obnoxious bass sound be a little too much to ask for? Gr, Arjan H From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 09:13:41 2007 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:41 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual Collectors Ed. A Few (Late) observations Message-ID: Having been let down badly by CDWow, I finally got my copy last night. A few thoughts after first listen / watch 1 Nice to see Stacia in full flow on the Urban Guerrilla promo. 2 From a quick read of the booklet appears that Dave has been excised (written by Nik?) 3 Is it me or has the live vocal line on Space is Deep finally been removed or moved further back in the mix so you can hardly hear it? 4 Have some of the tracks different vocal lines (such as the reinstated longer versions) have overdubs been lost? They seem slightly different to me. 4 Nice to be able to hear the whole gig without gaps on the DVD - note to self - must get a surround sound system to listen on! Lets hope that we get Collectors Editions of the other EMI albums (hall of the mountain grill with the 2nd disc containing the full concert at Edmonton anyone). Steve From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jul 18 09:10:22 2007 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:10:22 +0800 Subject: private messages Message-ID: I thought it was all HW content LOL By the way - I noticed that the Aussie WotEoT was far superior to any other artwork I can find. Hello to Mike C. Long time no hear. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: private messages > May I gently request that certain members of the list keep their messages > person-to-person unless it concerns the list as a whole? I've been wading > through endless back-and-forth messages of little or no worth to the > community at large. > > Thanks, > > John > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Wed Jul 18 09:33:30 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:33:30 -0400 Subject: private messages In-Reply-To: <000701c7c93c$ffafcac0$0201010a@ga8s661fxmprz> Message-ID: That makes me feel better, but will continue to keep to relevant topics. Stay cool, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 12:43:51 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:43:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD In-Reply-To: <20070718094336.M40527@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: On 7/18/07, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:28:30 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 02:57:42PM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > > > *Dave: please bring back 70's guitar sound as much as possible where > you > > > feel the mood, if you would PLEASE* > > > >THEN YOU QUESTION:: It's odd that out of like 25 unread messages I would > > randomly open one and see that immediately. > > >>THEN YOUR MENTAL TRAP SAID SOMETHING STUPID>>The question > of course is, would you have found it just as odd if it were the exact nth > >>message... > Yes, he would have...I said what I said from a place of most likely higher authority than it is possible for you to achieve in possibly more than one earth-life, if that was a a real possibility.....do you value not having heart attacks or suddenly collapsing into death???? well., watch the mouth that types....... Satan, God, and Man, which is actually humor, is simply one of my self-referrals.........what I said was VERY DIRECT....... watch it buckeroo From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Jul 18 12:56:36 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:56:36 +0000 Subject: NAZZ ( featuring Stewkey ) 2 perform one off concert in Massachusetts:August 17 Message-ID: When: Friday Aug 17, 2007 at 9:00 PM Where:: Point Breeze on Webster Lake 114 Point Breeze Webster, MA 01570 United States The legendary NAZZ featuring 'Stewkey', make their historic return to New England, August 17th for a special one off concert appearance at Point Breeze on Webster lake, Webster Mass. The long awaited return of NAZZ to the New England area is almost over!! Led by vocalist/frontman Stewkey, NAZZ will make a special one off appearance at Point Breeze resort on Webster Lake, August 17th. This is going to be a show 'not to miss', so mark your calendar now and make plans to be there. The band will perform a powerhouse of classic Nazz and heavy new tunes. Check out: http://www.pointbreezeonwebsterlake.com ( or call 509-943-0404 ) http://www.myspace.com/nazzfeaturingstewkey Be there for the return of NAZZROCK!!! _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 12:57:14 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: private messages In-Reply-To: <000701c7c93c$ffafcac0$0201010a@ga8s661fxmprz> Message-ID: See that Arjentos. or whatever name isn't from these parts, we got a few death cards up our sleeve, Penny is good-hearted despite her migraines and blindness, myself, like a dangerous bomb.....go to your knees and give thanks I am only a list participant where you are concerned.....I click, I can kill, no humor.....so basically STFU, or I willl remove your ability ps-Bill and Bev....GOD BLESS YOU for the personal email content, and Bev, THANKS FOR CHIMING IN mc dELTA-wAVE AND THE LOVE IN THE RESERVOIR remains...... great day for all, except whoever is made to stand in the corner *"master of disaster", Irwin* On 7/18/07, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > > I thought it was all HW content LOL > > By the way - I noticed that the Aussie WotEoT was far superior to any > other > artwork I can find. > > Hello to Mike C. Long time no hear. > > Cheers > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Majka" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:51 AM > Subject: private messages > > > > May I gently request that certain members of the list keep their > messages > > person-to-person unless it concerns the list as a whole? I've been > wading > > through endless back-and-forth messages of little or no worth to the > > community at large. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 13:12:07 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:12:07 -0500 Subject: private messages In-Reply-To: <000701c7c93c$ffafcac0$0201010a@ga8s661fxmprz> Message-ID: one of a couple of my CLOSEST NY friends stated: On 7/18/07, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > > I thought it was all HW content LOL > > By the way - I noticed that the Aussie WotEoT was far superior to any > other > artwork I can find. Dear Bil, Bev, The Kitties you both love, etc...please explain in detail.....being in maximum security prison makes it hard to learn about Hawkwind my Aussie Warriors were vinyl. and I LOVED them for the differing lettering on the back cover.....my OCD fucked that up tho, as the Aussie ink is awful and to color in means rubbed away DANGER PLEASE TEACH ME!!!!! love Michael Death C From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 15:19:15 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:19:15 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Unapproved, Edited, edition of Doug Pearson contact Message-ID: *He's VERY busy between his blessing of many friends, closeness to those friends that require engagements only the closest are burdened with and get to create memories with, as his music playing is active as anyone could dream about* *Jon, his email hasn't changed* *ps-THE DAY TIME ENDED trumps Allen's WHEN TIME RAN OUT* *luckily, a (BOC-L) list "Hawklady" got me to the cover of the book, "Time Enough For Love"* *ahh, c'mon, ......"mental" "group hug"........no hep here, or ANY other doctor understanble condition and are all non-comunicable except my journaling on the BOC-L* *Mike, Sumner's lost younger brother, the real one in charge.....it's a UFO ATOM BRAIN thang, you can understand, this isn't the rear cover of a Monster Magnet CD* *Irwin* *ps-Jon I forgot to mail him with speed, but trust the spririt, with all your luminous stomach centered power (or wherever your body has it stored, I'm* *Lost in Space but now I found earth with imperfect people who are all that is needed to make dreams come true...if you feed me I have God's consent to thank YOU, as it is still God and I can see you, as it should be* ** From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 17:02:14 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:02:14 -0500 Subject: draw out the real hawkwind knowers Message-ID: *could somebody please trade me something for a Rock-Fever, WOTEOT DIGI-PACK version, you might be surprised what you may get* *or is no-one besides lurking-minded "abovers", at a level of skill and knowledge when it comes my favorite items since i don't require artistes to "suffer" for me promoting their recorded art unless it's Hawkwind, and especially since they'll come to Texas one day before Mary outsurvives the cockroaches and the reason is guarded, sorry........as many boundaries as I cross.......* *SHOW ME THIS LIST DOESN'T NEED 1000* ***THE ALREADY DECEASED UNLIVING FORCED TO WANDER (and wonder, envy, fascinate) AMONG YOU*, michael C From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 17:34:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:34:13 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind "Oscillations" Message-ID: *Had to have this CD due to title, much to many heres possible delight, I traded a VENOM CD back in to get it (only lack of Conrad, sorry)* *anyway, I'd be pissed off, as it's a comp of "Codename" it appears to me, and it had ANNOYING time-gaps between tracks,,,,,* *my question, what gig is the "corn exchange"?? not TEXT OF FESTYVILLE??? I am old for my years due to explosive and radioactive intake* *please love me through this???* *of course, my own demon's took care of me and I am reunited with the photo from the Irael SS 45, or close enough* *ps-blame Klonopin for my attack mode today, if that helps, and it should* *tell Embalmer I need a private email or I may get shaky....* *Voyage To The Bottom of What We See, mc* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 18 20:17:10 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:17:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual + DVD (off +apology necessary) Message-ID: Whuuuuuuuups.......Steve questioned randomness I've been guzzling mass quantities of the most disgustingly weak Klonopin .o5's to deal with the air-conditioner people who are overdue with the payment I so carefully charited up, and if that happens........nevermind forgive lack of understanding and my pride only manifested over my own words and a 1970's request obnoxious bass sound has to be in the mix, of course many stars, heart shaped moons and pink fairies to all your respective etherials On 7/18/07, mike coleman wrote: > > > On 7/18/07, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > > > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:28:30 -0400, Stephen Swann wrote > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 02:57:42PM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > > > > *Dave: please bring back 70's guitar sound as much as possible > > where you > > > > feel the mood, if you would PLEASE* > > > > > >THEN YOU QUESTION:: It's odd that out of like 25 unread messages I > > would > > > randomly open one and see that immediately. > > > > >>THEN YOUR MENTAL TRAP SAID SOMETHING STUPID>>The question > > of course is, would you have found it just as odd if it were the exact > > nth > > >>message... > > > Yes, he would have...I said what I said from a place of most likely higher > authority than it is possible for you to achieve in possibly more than one > earth-life, if that was a a real possibility.....do you value not having > heart attacks or suddenly collapsing into death???? well., watch the > mouth that types....... > Satan, God, and Man, which is actually humor, is simply one of my > self-referrals.........what I said was VERY DIRECT....... > watch it buckeroo > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Thu Jul 19 00:29:46 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:29:46 -0400 Subject: NAZZ ( featuring Stewkey ) 2 perform one off concert in Massachusetts:August 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mike Thanks for the info, I'm going to do my best to get there, there's no public trans. but I hope I can hijack a friend or 2 into bring me to the show. Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 19 03:10:03 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:10:03 -0500 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio Message-ID: *My browser just obnoxiously took me to an ICU myspace or something like that where I saw Len Del-Rio mentioning he bought the "new" Punkadelic reissue CD with bonus tracks* *anyone care to explain the word LAME (repeat chorus) when it comes to my feelings of info here (at times)???* *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the pertinent out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* *Trev....you gonna go up against Len, or will I have to send you this like you stole my UK Atomgod History CD since record labels don't believe what they are going to cry about* *IF* *you squirm away from this* *Devil Without A Cause, Irwin* From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jul 19 11:27:58 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:27:58 +0100 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts In-Reply-To: <17d80c610706250719k6d66884dwb2f727c6318c861e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 09:19:19AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > *I will say for myself, however, if he is doing his own thing for a bit, a > telephone call to Ron would please the shit out of me, so long as Ron and > Alan can work that out, if Ron is still living, can still play, and would > leave the Suckers to their...whatever it is they do since I've not been sent > any........* Ron seems to turn up often enough in tales of people I meet at gigs that I think I'm safe in saying that at least as of a few months ago he was still living, was well and clean of chemical monkeys, and playing bass. And he can play decent bass, not only have I seen him doing it and will testify, but he's on record doing it on _In Your Area_ and _Hawkwind 1997_ for them as have that latter. On _Distant Horizons_ not so obviously but let that pass. The thing is, I worry that it's like comedians who undergo therapy and stop being funny: I've got two recordings of him since he started trying to clean up his act, and I've seen him twice in that time, and well, he hasn't been terribly inspiring. There are Rontastic bits on _Insect Brain_ but they're all vocal; the bass is kinda dull. It frustrates me because I know he can do better. I seriously doubt that he can ever expect to step back into Hawkwind though; from what little I have gathered that relationship did not so much fail as spring apart like a frayed hawser thrashing through all hopes of reconciliation left right and the now-legendary centre. But given what I say above, I don't how much it would help even if that weren't so. If we're looking at ex-Hawks who could possibly step in, and still would, there really isn't anyone better than Mr Dibs anyway, or so it seems to me, and at least he wants to be up there doing it and probably doesn't mind if the money is slow turning up... Yours, Jon (who does wonder what Alan is up to since HW has hardly stopped his being solo active lately) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 19 12:33:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:33:13 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey and thoughts and things you can't know Message-ID: *<<<>> (in a message dated soon enough to non-digesters)* *""Ron "basically" has no chance of going back to Hawkwind"" (Mike c's own words, not Jon's) * *Mike c , quoting John Kilmister, a pattern, it would seem: "I don't believe a word" (of course, never needed to)* *suggestion: send him to me, I'll drug him back out and being in Texas will effect his mind because he thinks he's seen USA, knows the world, and Trev won't really share Lori with me no matter WHAT BS they give me....* *Ron will have to enjoy himself SOMEWHAT solo, as I'm not a rocker yet, and I am old like Nik and Trev, health's bad enough* *but I'll drink and musically direct him better than it ever was.........* *Jon wondered what happened to ALAN-ali: I know, or at least was made to think so, don't hate me, I really truly cannot tell...there are reasons, and they are simply private* *cheers and I wonder just WHAT Judge meant regarding a drummer for his next "Project"...emphasis on "Project".....Jon I am thinking "out loud" on-forum, and do not expect you to answer or reply here* *carry on my alliance * *michael c (not mick c)* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 20 04:00:07 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:00:07 -0500 Subject: ICU- Punkadelic Message-ID: *Oh I get It now,.,.....* *I'm technically due small royalties for "Raj Neesh" appearing on the new CD * *maybe Human Beings as well, but I should pay out for that injustice* *Kronos the Energy Accumulator* *link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronos_%28film%29* From chrisow at SHAW.CA Fri Jul 20 15:13:24 2007 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (CHRIS OWEN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 19 Jul 2007 to 20 Jul 2007 (#2007-181) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone is interested the Motorhead Overkill rock score is up for sale on EBAY... Cheersss :) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Jul 20 18:05:54 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:05:54 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707190010q37948623nd004b6d3d8cab618@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:10:03AM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the pertinent > out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Mike - but you *do* realize that I haven't been the moderator of this list for more than a decade...? ;-) - your former Humble Moderator ;) Steve From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Fri Jul 20 23:07:22 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:07:22 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <20070720220554.GA2207@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Stephen Swann wrote: >On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:10:03AM -0500, mike coleman wrote: >> *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the pertinent >> out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* > >Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Mike - but you *do* >realize that I haven't been the moderator of this list for >more than a decade...? ;-) But it's still all your fault. Whatever it was. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. - Cyril Connolly From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Fri Jul 20 23:13:17 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:13:17 -0600 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: F*ck, it's been that long? You're making me feel old Steve. Jean's right, definitely your fault. :-) Guido Jean Lansford wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Stephen Swann wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:10:03AM -0500, mike coleman wrote: >> >>> *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the pertinent >>> out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* >>> >> Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Mike - but you *do* >> realize that I haven't been the moderator of this list for >> more than a decade...? ;-) >> > > But it's still all your fault. > > Whatever it was. > From albert at CELLSUM.COM Fri Jul 20 23:27:35 2007 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:27:35 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <46A179CD.9040300@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: How Hawkwind and BOC got linked that's what. BTW on more bizarre links. I've been making this fused glass stuff, experiments as it were. And I'm trying to get rid of it on ebay. Take a look if you want. They're called drummer man pendants or something like that. I've worn them myself but I like making them more so now I have to make space for more of them Hiere's one link. 190133524049. Al On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Guido Vacano wrote: > F*ck, it's been that long? You're making me feel old Steve. Jean's > right, definitely your fault. :-) > > Guido > > Jean Lansford wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Stephen Swann wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:10:03AM -0500, mike coleman wrote: >>> >>>> *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the >>>> pertinent >>>> out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* >>>> >>> Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Mike - but you *do* >>> realize that I haven't been the moderator of this list for >>> more than a decade...? ;-) >>> >> >> But it's still all your fault. >> >> Whatever it was. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 20 23:49:22 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:49:22 -0500 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <38DC8BA7-1196-47DF-B92C-282951F418D0@cellsum.com> Message-ID: Hey I was just trying to "smokescreen" my own ignorance at being assigned random #25......upon afterthought the number's perfect...........carry on, I'm the LAST person to REALLY bitch, and hey, I WAS right about Punkadelic forthcoming on disc, eh??? great weekend to all, hopefully humidity free (this is a terrifying word to me, you could probably tell) I hope that Arjan has forgiven to some extent YIPES!!! "love" mike On 7/20/07, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > How Hawkwind and BOC got linked that's what. > > BTW on more bizarre links. I've been making this fused glass stuff, > experiments as it were. And I'm trying to get rid of it on ebay. Take > a look if you want. They're called drummer man pendants or something > like that. I've worn them myself but I like making them more so now I > have to make space for more of them > > Hiere's one link. 190133524049. > > Al > > On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Guido Vacano wrote: > > > F*ck, it's been that long? You're making me feel old Steve. Jean's > > right, definitely your fault. :-) > > > > Guido > > > > Jean Lansford wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Stephen Swann wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:10:03AM -0500, mike coleman wrote: > >>> > >>>> *can't the "rhythm of BOC-L" humor fun continue AFTER we get the > >>>> pertinent > >>>> out-of-way (don't answer, Steve's the boss)* > >>>> > >>> Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Mike - but you *do* > >>> realize that I haven't been the moderator of this list for > >>> more than a decade...? ;-) > >>> > >> > >> But it's still all your fault. > >> > >> Whatever it was. > >> > > > From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Sat Jul 21 03:46:47 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:46:47 +0200 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707202049p51395f25jf5d2bd1c56e7b590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:49:22 -0500, mike coleman wrote > I hope that Arjan has forgiven to some extent Yeah, no worries, mate. > On 7/20/07, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > > > How Hawkwind and BOC got linked that's what. Well, you didn't need Steve for that, did you? > > On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Guido Vacano wrote: > > > > > F*ck, it's been that long? You're making me feel old Steve. Jean's > > > right, definitely your fault. :-) Even longer. This list is, or is close to twenty years old. Time flies, when you're having fun ;-) Gr, Arjan H From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 21 04:09:33 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:09:33 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707202049p51395f25jf5d2bd1c56e7b590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey no need to defend yourself here, we all know your actually a mutant genius. Sleep well. Pleasant dreams, Kaduflyer From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Sat Jul 21 08:54:17 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:54:17 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <38DC8BA7-1196-47DF-B92C-282951F418D0@cellsum.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Albert Bouchard wrote: >How Hawkwind and BOC got linked that's what. Dear, you've been round here long enough to know that EVERYTHING is Steve Swann's fault. Including the attack on Jon Jarrett. Somehow. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. - Cyril Connolly From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jul 21 11:55:07 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:55:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: Nice article by Ian Abrahams in Record Collector (August issue but available now). Charts the band's recording history through various labels along with descriptions of the rarer albums, illustrations of record covers, band photographs and some informative comments from Doug Smith and also from Dave Brock himself. Well worth the read - I found some things I didn't know anything about. I didn't realise Love In Space was so scarce and I'd forgotten about the Mazda CD! I don't suppose anyone........... jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 21 13:29:51 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:29:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <004401c7cbaf$83485720$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: *Dear Jill, sadly, I doubt my eyes will ever see that RC.....hard to find in Dallas, and the one shop that may get it is too dangerous for me to go to......although I did order that damned SR 5.1........still, can't afford that, much less the magazine.........Love In Space...do you refer to the regular 2CD?? sadly I don't have the art (did it ever see a jewel-case release*?)...*I used to have about 3 copies, one of which had a printing "glitch" that looked like a black meteor flying through space and I was so insane I had to keep it......look at your copies folks...see if you have one...it's at the top on the front (or don't, maybe not interesting).......would you consider sharing a little more for me, and people like blind chicks???? PLEASE tell me what the Mazda CD is!!!!, and as I go, I also used to have a cassette "test-pressing" of the Love In Space album...it NEVER EVER ends!!!! also, sadly my LIS promo singles, and reg one, are gone gone gone gone* *BTW, I said Hello to you almost as soon as I came back for this extended extended extended extended "Hello fave people, I'm (figuratively) dying, I know I desereve it, LONG HELLO" (and am guessing you were intuitive enough to know better than to engage with "losers" like me, haha)* *further, I NEVER had a problem with our cherished reviewer, I just have to step in stride............and one personal opinion....despite what captain Brock says or does regarding his employees, I think that differs from fans doing it ( I mean do what you want, I'd like to think myself an anarchist), but be prepared for my attack and maybe other smarter ones to make it "hot" for you.......anybody that ever played in HW for even a couple minutes got a little of that strange green luminosity rubbed off on them.......except Trev already had some* **"Master Of Disaster", Irwin On 7/21/07, Jill Strobridge wrote: > > Nice article by Ian Abrahams in Record Collector (August issue but > available > now). Charts the band's recording history through various labels along > with descriptions of the rarer albums, illustrations of record covers, > band > photographs and some informative comments from Doug Smith and also from > Dave > Brock himself. Well worth the read - I found some things I didn't know > anything about. I didn't realise Love In Space was so scarce and I'd > forgotten about the Mazda CD! I don't suppose anyone........... > > jill > ============================================== > Jill Strobridge > ============================================== > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jul 21 17:35:20 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:35:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: Hi Mike. Record Collector Magazine has only just been issued (and the article is a long one) so I can't type it out. But I can send you a copy if that would be any good. Both the Love in Space 2CD and the double vinyl seem to be scarce and there is no jewel case version that I am aware of. A Mazda car advert ran for a while on UK TV with Silver Machine as the soundtrack. Apparently people who test drove the car got a CD handout but what it looked like or how many there are/were I've no idea! Sorry if I missed your earlier greeting. I don't get nearly as much time as I would like to read the mailing lists so large amounts tend to get deleted without being looked at whenever I catch up in a hurry and I can sometimes miss stuff. best wishes jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > *Dear Jill, sadly, I doubt my eyes will ever see that RC.....hard to find > in > Dallas, and the one shop that may get it is too dangerous for me to go > to......although I did order that damned SR 5.1........still, can't afford > that, much less the magazine.........Love In Space...do you refer to the > regular 2CD?? sadly I don't have the art (did it ever see a jewel-case > release*?)...*I used to have about 3 copies, one of which had a printing > "glitch" that looked like a black meteor flying through space and I was so > insane I had to keep it......look at your copies folks...see if you have > one...it's at the top on the front (or don't, maybe not > interesting).......would you consider sharing a little more for me, and > people like blind chicks???? PLEASE tell me what the Mazda CD is!!!!, > and > as I go, I also used to have a cassette "test-pressing" of the Love In > Space > album...it NEVER EVER ends!!!! also, sadly my LIS promo singles, and > reg > one, are gone gone gone gone* > *BTW, I said Hello to you almost as soon as I came back for this extended > extended extended extended "Hello fave people, I'm (figuratively) dying, I > know I desereve it, LONG HELLO" (and am guessing you were intuitive enough > to know better than to engage with "losers" like me, haha)* > *further, I NEVER had a problem with our cherished reviewer, I just have > to > step in stride............and one personal opinion....despite what captain > Brock says or does regarding his employees, I think that differs from fans > doing it ( I mean do what you want, I'd like to think myself an > anarchist), > but be prepared for my attack and maybe other smarter ones to make it > "hot" > for you.......anybody that ever played in HW for even a couple minutes got > a > little of that strange green luminosity rubbed off on them.......except > Trev > already had some* > **"Master Of Disaster", Irwin > > On 7/21/07, Jill Strobridge wrote: >> >> Nice article by Ian Abrahams in Record Collector (August issue but >> available >> now). Charts the band's recording history through various labels along >> with descriptions of the rarer albums, illustrations of record covers, >> band >> photographs and some informative comments from Doug Smith and also from >> Dave >> Brock himself. Well worth the read - I found some things I didn't know >> anything about. I didn't realise Love In Space was so scarce and I'd >> forgotten about the Mazda CD! I don't suppose anyone........... >> >> jill >> ============================================== >> Jill Strobridge >> ============================================== >> > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 22 06:42:56 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:42:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: in the last one, Jill S offered an RC magazine: dear Jill the fact that you would offer such a thing is just as good as if it arrived today and is in my hand I am trying my best to want as little as possible these days...........although there is this new cig machine I want at $30, and I have these extra bootlegs and a few rarities left in a box.....hmmmmmmm..........maybe a trade with someone........ you already answered my main questions.....right after I sent that mail I remembered you guys telling me about SM being used in a car commercial figures there's a CD to that...gawd......to think we'll all be dead and that plastic will outsurvive us.....I'm just so glad my "sortof" OCD caused me to turn a "scourge of the earth" CD single into a jewel version (tastefully done and luvly, of course), otherwise I wouldn't have that at all..... how many of you have the vinyl "Masters Of The Universe" LIBERTY reissue with red coloured (is that correct British sp?) writing on the back cover??? if you don't then you're missing one (or ten thousand) what I was really hoping for, is if you'd just speak up with interesting things as you recall them, have time, etc......with attention to those unknown things you mentioned, for people like me, still keen, maybe just not as up-to-date I have this thought.....I don't like digipaks because they are hard to store and use, and can be dropped etc........I prefer jewel case versions, but the booklets are not designed for collectors, especially if you ever want to let friends look at and read the booklets I say if they cannot be made more durable, less susceptible to bends creases and the dread fingerprint grease, all CD's now must include 2 booklets...!!!!!! I once got an original "Astounding" CD that came with 2 CD's.....it came in handy a friend got a "hawkfairies" CD with like a trillion booklets, so many, he sent me about ten or 15!!!!! weird I'll "bow out" with a Coleman obscure factoid, although imperfect due to aging and memory loss and material loss the USA reissue of "In Search Of Space" (single cover issue), not only is probably too rare to bother with much nowadays, as well as having been pressed with different labels, people like me, or maybe just me, noticed that on one of the pressings the needle comes to the end of the record side as normal (forget which side, too lazy to look at a CD at moment to recall), and another pressing is looped, so the music never stops until you've had enough...... and with that, I remember you Jill, of course, and Mike.........about 2000, I would guess Irwin From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Jul 22 11:42:22 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:42:22 -0400 Subject: A New Fight Twixt Professional Filmographer Trevie vs Len Del Rio In-Reply-To: <3404a3dqlv51fc14supj380nrm8p8pt302@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 08:54:17AM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > >How Hawkwind and BOC got linked that's what. > > Dear, you've been round here long enough to know that EVERYTHING > is Steve Swann's fault. > > Including the attack on Jon Jarrett. > > Somehow. Causality is my bi0tch. Steve From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Jul 23 04:54:42 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:54:42 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock and Drool Trough Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com JULY 23, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #181), and Drool Trough Radio (show #65). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #181) TUNE IN TO HEAR HOW YOU CAN WIN A FREE MARBLE SHEEP CD Secret Saucer - "Lift Off" (from Second Sighting) The Future Kings of England - "Mustard Men" (from The Fate of Old Mother Orvis) Census of Hallucinations - "My Room / Make Your Choice" (from Waylaid on the Pathway to Oblivion) Lopsided Space Kart - "Naked Lunch" (from forthcoming album) A.G. Carinae - "Delerium" (from Paranormalized) Marble Sheep - "From the Centre" (from Message From Oarfish) Marble Sheep - "Who Should Be Trusted?" (from Raise the Dead: 2006 March Europe) Marble Sheep - "Last Race" (from The Gate of Heavenly Body) Marble Sheep - "Fla Fla Heaven" (from For Demolition of a Spiritual Framework) Alpha Omega - "Escape" (from The Psychedelometer) Book of Shadows - "The Dreamer and the Dreamed" (from The Inner World) Fit & Limo - "Around the Fount" (from Astralis) The Smell of Incense - "Golden Knot" (from Of Ullages and Dottles) Quarkspace - "Bridget in Space with a Ham Sandwich" (from Spacefolds 8) Amplified Heat - "She Drank That Wine" (from How Do You Like The Sound Of That) Epstein Superflu - "The War Inside Darktown" (from demo 2007) Drool Trough Radio (show #65) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Vocabularinist - "It's a Dull Ride" (from Monkey Brains Controlling Robot Arms) Room 34 - "Heavy Water (Deuterium Oxide)" (from Highway 34 Revisited) Microblind Harvestmen - "Hellblazer" (from Songs & Instrumentals From Death Bottom Slide) Bitrate - "Simul-Stomp" (from Satiated With Simulacra) Saint Joan - "Satellites" (from The Wrecker's Lantern) The Shimmys - "He's So Wigged Out" (from Drive You Wild!) Johnny Casino and The Secrets - "Only a Fool" (from New Clothes Old Shoes) Avagami - "Newager" (from Metagami) Spookboy - "Seven Steps, 7 Stages" (from Eclectica) Port of Saints - "Birth" (from 2nd demo) Josh Small - "Knife In My Belly" (from Tall) Sonic Avenues - "Off the Ground (ready to get back at you)" (from Sonic Avenues EP) Little Tragedies - "Absorbed In My Thoughts" (from Chinese Songs) Drifting in Silence - "Chameleon" (from fallto) Duo Dynamic - "Disarray East" (From Unrest For Peace) Dead Against The Rest - "Enough's Enough" (from Electric Funfair) VxPxC - "Up On Bonnie B." (from Porchmass) The Velocet - "Alone in Cologne" (from A Quick and Dirty Guide) The Anthem Sound - "Your Lullaby" (from The Anthem Sound) The JDJ Band - "Girl From Boston" (from Firesky) http://Aural-Innovations.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 23 06:18:59 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:18:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <001001c7cbdf$0a230040$6701a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: On 21/07/2007 22:35, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Both the Love in Space 2CD and the > double vinyl seem to be scarce and there is no jewel case version that I > am aware of. Huh, the digipack was certainly readily available back when it came out! Having entered my post-modern music collector phase, I think I disassembled the the digipack with scissors and and slapped the bit with the track list into a CD binder sleeve. It's all in the States just now, though, so I'm not sure. Still, definitely not in the original packaging anymore .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 23 12:07:45 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:07:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <46A48093.4060105@carlaz.com> Message-ID: ^^^On 7/23/07, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: ^^^Huh, the digipack was certainly readily available back when it came out! ^^^Having entered my post-modern music collector phase, I think I ^^^disassembled the the digipack with scissors and and slapped the bit with ^^^the track list into a CD binder sleeve. It's all in the States just ^^^now, though, so I'm not sure. Still, definitely not in the original ^^^packaging anymore .... Hey Carl. once again thanks for making me feel better.....my insanity is to such extent that I have avoided playing that 2cd set because the packaging was lost and I already knew it was rare from back in 2002, etc....my Hawkwind collection was me, it represented my greatest life achievement.......... speaking of my insanity, I have only just really realised the truth of it, and I am OK with it, but people in my life don't understand my (gag) "heart"....I am loud, manic, extremely insulting, dominating (I just found out), etc......nobody realises how forgiving and non-judgemental I actually am, and I am not on popularity lists for "most desired company" at the moment (also because people tend to hate you when you value your freedom more than the "money chase")...at any rate could somebody tell the Assassin Moxter that he could probably kick my ass and it's safe to walk on the green??? I just get defensive when prodded or questioned.....I just liked posting something that might only make sense to one person if any, went a bit off into the fringe..... Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found before the future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection and (it turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well they were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the hands still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably can,.....they had the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) (through local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, and why there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are STILL trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, and I always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, and I figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in fact NOT, but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like blaring noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows blocking their ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) mc I From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 23 12:31:35 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:31:35 -0500 Subject: Del's Boots Message-ID: *and to think, Del's boots surely went straight to the garbage* *somebody asked me how I ended up with a pair of his boots, and I honestly cannot recall, but I did* *I would love to have put them on eBay, if I had to lose them, just to "see" * *mc* From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 24 06:26:25 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:26:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found before the > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection and (it > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well they > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the hands > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably can,.....they had > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) (through > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, and why > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are STILL > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, and I > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, and I > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in fact NOT, > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like blaring > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows blocking their > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) I seem to recall that I have a copy of Grill without the print on the back, just the David Hardy picture. I can't remember the details of why though. FoFP From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Jul 24 09:54:39 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:54:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: > I seem to recall that I have a copy of Grill without the print on the > back, just the David Hardy picture. I can't remember the details of why > though. > FoFP I have one of those as well as the usual one with the print on the back. John Majka From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 24 10:45:42 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:45:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > > I seem to recall that I have a copy of Grill without the print on the > > back, just the David Hardy picture. I can't remember the details of why > > though. > > FoFP > > I have one of those as well as the usual one with the print on the back. Anyone know who has the David Hardy original? Are there other full-size prints of it? I'm quite a fan of his stuff. In my living room hangs the original oil of the bottom piccie at http://www.hardyart.demon.co.uk/pages-gallery/p-urans1.html FoFP From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jul 24 11:43:42 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: >From what I recall all the notes and the photo of the Mountain Grill were printed on the inner sleeve so as not to obscure the magnificent Dave Hardy picture. " ... and in the grove, by gate and hill, midst merry throng and market clatter - stood the Hall of the Mountain Grill where table strain'd 'neath loaded platter." (from the Legend of Beenzon Toste) Actually I think I had a bacon roll there. jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector >> I seem to recall that I have a copy of Grill without the print on the >> back, just the David Hardy picture. I can't remember the details of why >> though. >> FoFP > > I have one of those as well as the usual one with the print on the back. > > John Majka > > > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jul 24 12:07:36 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:07:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: Do I? You know my record collection better than I do . <15 minutes later> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed inner cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. I've also got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but again the label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label version I am missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. It says it was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. This number isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a Liberty release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the United Artists one starts UA. That's my research done for the day 8-) jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector tell the Assassin > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found before > the > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection and > (it > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well they > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the hands > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably can,.....they had > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) (through > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, and > why > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are STILL > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, and I > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, and I > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in fact > NOT, > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like blaring > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows blocking > their > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) > mc > I > > > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jul 24 17:32:04 2007 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:04 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Jul 24 12:46:15 2007 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:46:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: Yes Jill, There exists a real yellow label,there was one on ebay a few years ago greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > Do I? You know my record collection better than I do check>. > <15 minutes later> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed > inner cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. > I've also got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but > again the label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label > version I am missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. > It says it was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. > This number isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a > Liberty release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the > United Artists one starts UA. > > That's my research done for the day 8-) > jill > ============================================== > Jill Strobridge > ============================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike coleman" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > tell the Assassin > >> Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about >> you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found before >> the >> future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection and >> (it >> turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well >> they >> were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the hands >> still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably can,.....they >> had >> the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) (through >> local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, and >> why >> there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are >> STILL >> trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) >> anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, and >> I >> always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track >> 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, and I >> figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in fact >> NOT, >> but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like >> blaring >> noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows blocking >> their >> ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) >> mc >> I >> >> >> > > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Jul 24 12:47:47 2007 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:47:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector Message-ID: There exist a reissue with the running order of the songs printed on the back greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > There ARE some UK copies with yellow labels. I have two standard UA cream > labels and one yellow UA label - the same shade of yellow as the USA > promo. I'll check the matrix numbers and find out if they are different > pressings. > > Another difference is that two of the outer sleeves are laminated, that is > they have a gloss finish, whilst the remaining one is a matt finish. All > three have the Grill and photo inner sleeve. > > I don't recall any writing on the David Hardy painting, except for Hardy's > own signature. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill Strobridge > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > >> Do I? You know my record collection better than I do check>. >> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed inner >> cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. I've >> also >> got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but again >> the >> label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label version I >> am >> missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. It says it >> was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. This number >> isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a Liberty >> release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the United >> Artists one starts UA. >> >> That's my research done for the day 8-) >> jill >> ============================================== >> Jill Strobridge jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk> >> ============================================== >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mike coleman" insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector >> tell the Assassin >> >> > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about >> > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found >> > before >> > the >> > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection >> > and >> > (it >> > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well >> > they >> > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the hands >> > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably can,.....they >> > had >> > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) >> > (through >> > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, >> > and >> > why >> > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are >> > STILL >> > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) >> > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, >> > and I >> > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track >> > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, and >> > I >> > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in fact >> > NOT, >> > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like >> > blaring >> > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows blocking >> > their >> > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) >> > mc >> > I >> > >> > >> > > > > http://www.Tpad.com - "The New Way to Make and Receive Cheap/Free Calls" > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 24 16:53:58 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:53:58 +0100 Subject: HW: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:09:35AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Yup, it would make sense that it's from _This is Hawkwind, Do Not > Panic_, since I definitely have a CD of that (albeit in the US right > now), and probably would have scooped a few tracks off it. I just > didn't remember the spoken intro that came before Nik's "We are the > survivors ...", which made me wonder if it was a different source or > something .... But I guess not! If I remember my trivia correctly the spoken intro is by Roy Harper, and it's the same Stonehenge as `Stonehenge Decoded' but not the same night and therefore not the same line-up becaue on the `Watching the Grass Grow' night Huw was ill? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Mind you my famous `in this order' file insists that Jenny Chapman should have been singing with the Hawks at that point and I can't hear her, mind you this might not be the best pair of numbers to register a backing singer... Isn't it marvellous what too little sleep and too much caffeine will do to a brain, yours, Jon ObEP: Known - `Grey Skies' EP (if you ever get the chance to see this band do it without a second thought. If Hendrix had grown up in a London slum listening to hip-hop, and his historical self as well...) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 24 17:27:41 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:27:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <4688D643.6030107@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 11:41:07AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for > example, ) suggest the > "Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: > "Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. > > ... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But > perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and > "Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? > > I haven't got the "In Your Area" disc in the UK with me -- can anyone > confirm/deny the details of the "Brainstorm" track on it? The problem here is that the track splits on the disc and those listed on the sleeve aren't the same. The sleeve tells you: 1. Brainstorm 2. Hawkwind in Your Area 3. Alchemy 4. Love in Space 5. Rat Race 6. Aerospaceage Inferno 7. First Landing on Medusa 8. I Am the Reptoid 9. The Nazca 10. Hippy 11. Prairie 12. Your Fantasy 13. Luxotica 14. Diana Park but the disc lists only 12 tracks precisely because as far as it's concerned track 2 is `Alchemy' and track 4 is the outtro of `Love in Space' and then `Aerospaceage Inferno'. But on the unbroken track 1 the synth part of `In Your Area' starts at 04:24. So I guess that what you've got is a rip of this track which tastefully quits just as Rizz opens his trap :-) Should be easy enough to identify though, if it ends with a bit of a calming movement involving a certain amount of Ron bass noodling (as lamented by me in earlier post) and then just as it quits is going all `Camera That Could Lie'... You can't say `hope that helps' sincerely these days but I do, yours, Jon ObCD: Queens of the Stone Age - _Songs for the Deaf_ (anyone got an opinion on the new one yet or are we *all* too old or too cool to care?) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 24 18:35:11 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:35:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <000f01c7ce12$5d43dc10$0202a8c0@filip> Message-ID: Sorry folks, but Jill, excuse incorrect recall, could've sworn you had got the yellow one now for the Chaos of Coleman: all that is gaga (kidding, kidding) the Uraguay copy has a different back cover (NO, I didn't own it......but know who does) BTW, HermanZGerman sent me piccies of the yellow label in case they need to be seen although I'd prefer the Greek test-pressing of Warrior that went to Muenster when I was starving and the rear cover is in 2-tone "Gray-scale" mc On 7/24/07, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > There exist a reissue with the running order of the songs printed on the > back > > greetings filip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > > There ARE some UK copies with yellow labels. I have two standard UA > cream > > labels and one yellow UA label - the same shade of yellow as the USA > > promo. I'll check the matrix numbers and find out if they are different > > pressings. > > > > Another difference is that two of the outer sleeves are laminated, that > is > > they have a gloss finish, whilst the remaining one is a matt > finish. All > > three have the Grill and photo inner sleeve. > > > > I don't recall any writing on the David Hardy painting, except for > Hardy's > > own signature. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jill Strobridge > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > >> Do I? You know my record collection better than I do check>. > >> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed inner > >> cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. I've > >> also > >> got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but again > >> the > >> label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label version > I > >> am > >> missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. It says it > >> was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. This number > >> isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a Liberty > >> release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the United > >> Artists one starts UA. > >> > >> That's my research done for the day 8-) > >> jill > >> ============================================== > >> Jill Strobridge jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk> > >> ============================================== > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "mike coleman" insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > >> tell the Assassin > >> > >> > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about > >> > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found > >> > before > >> > the > >> > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection > >> > and > >> > (it > >> > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well > >> > they > >> > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the > hands > >> > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably > can,.....they > >> > had > >> > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) > >> > (through > >> > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, > >> > and > >> > why > >> > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are > >> > STILL > >> > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) > >> > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, > >> > and I > >> > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track > >> > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, > and > >> > I > >> > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in > fact > >> > NOT, > >> > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like > >> > blaring > >> > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows > blocking > >> > their > >> > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) > >> > mc > >> > I > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > http://www.Tpad.com - "The New Way to Make and Receive Cheap/Free Calls" > > > > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 24 19:11:26 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <000f01c7ce12$5d43dc10$0202a8c0@filip> Message-ID: you've got Liberty reisuue-check you've got fame reissue with red "grill" on label-check you've got fame reissue without "red grill"? check? need a glass of water to take your valium?? (I had it, mint as mint could be, of course) some Hawkwind LP's saw lamination, some didn't.....Live 79 is another example off the top of my old memory fade the USA 8-track is titled "In The Hall Of The Mountain Grill" (some anyway) lucky for the kollekters, I believe the Mt Grill Liberty re-issue only came with yellow labels, as oppposed to others I can relate if requested, on Liberty UK re's Germany, friends remain, I have some annoying bus. to tend, I'll be sending you a connection, request overtime(*at work) if possible.....(he's got a Jap red vinyl 1st LP with differ OBI than any other Japs and I think the biggest maybe maybe you can talk him out of it after all these years peace dickdog (Trev changed it, he'll pay, in play) On 7/24/07, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > There exist a reissue with the running order of the songs printed on the > back > > greetings filip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > > There ARE some UK copies with yellow labels. I have two standard UA > cream > > labels and one yellow UA label - the same shade of yellow as the USA > > promo. I'll check the matrix numbers and find out if they are different > > pressings. > > > > Another difference is that two of the outer sleeves are laminated, that > is > > they have a gloss finish, whilst the remaining one is a matt > finish. All > > three have the Grill and photo inner sleeve. > > > > I don't recall any writing on the David Hardy painting, except for > Hardy's > > own signature. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jill Strobridge > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > >> Do I? You know my record collection better than I do check>. > >> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed inner > >> cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. I've > >> also > >> got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but again > >> the > >> label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label version > I > >> am > >> missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. It says it > >> was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. This number > >> isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a Liberty > >> release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the United > >> Artists one starts UA. > >> > >> That's my research done for the day 8-) > >> jill > >> ============================================== > >> Jill Strobridge jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk> > >> ============================================== > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "mike coleman" insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > >> tell the Assassin > >> > >> > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something about > >> > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found > >> > before > >> > the > >> > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my collection > >> > and > >> > (it > >> > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was deceased........well > >> > they > >> > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the > hands > >> > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably > can,.....they > >> > had > >> > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) > >> > (through > >> > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which covers, > >> > and > >> > why > >> > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they are > >> > STILL > >> > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) > >> > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow label, > >> > and I > >> > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track > >> > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, > and > >> > I > >> > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in > fact > >> > NOT, > >> > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like > >> > blaring > >> > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows > blocking > >> > their > >> > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) > >> > mc > >> > I > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > http://www.Tpad.com - "The New Way to Make and Receive Cheap/Free Calls" > > > > > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jul 24 19:10:42 2007 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK ( Dave Hall) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:10:42 +0200 Subject: Silver machine Message-ID: Been listening to Hawkwind since 1972 and have never heard the original (Calvert vocal) Silver Machine. Where can I find this? Dave From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 24 19:55:08 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:55:08 -0500 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: <25487404.38901185318642007.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> Message-ID: *As of 2002 there were 3 diff CD bootlegs, the original 3lp vinyl, and a VERY rare Italian 3LP boot......that looks cool as hell.........* *BUT! I have a clean version with no vinyl pops that FoFP is about to have and I am not speaking for him but I ask aloud if maybe he'd share it??* *I can't do much at the moment* *mc* On 7/24/07, < Dave Hall> wrote: > > Been listening to Hawkwind since 1972 and have never heard the original > (Calvert vocal) Silver Machine. Where can I find this? > > Dave > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 24 20:29:56 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:29:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707241611i50acd4acjdf40c914b9bd081a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *and to show my good "gag" heart as there could be sick kolleckters over the Uruguay Mt Grill, the back cover simply has the photos from the inner...still sickening yes, but maybe a slight sooth knowing there's nothing never seen before* On 7/24/07, mike coleman wrote: > > you've got Liberty reisuue-check > you've got fame reissue with red "grill" on label-check > you've got fame reissue without "red grill"? check? need a glass of water > to take your valium?? (I had it, mint as mint could be, of course) > some Hawkwind LP's saw lamination, some didn't.....Live 79 is another > example off the top of my old memory fade > the USA 8-track is titled "In The Hall Of The Mountain Grill" (some > anyway) > lucky for the kollekters, I believe the Mt Grill Liberty re-issue only > came with yellow labels, as oppposed to others I can relate if requested, on > Liberty UK re's > Germany, friends remain, I have some annoying bus. to tend, I'll be > sending you a connection, request overtime(*at work) if possible.....(he's > got a Jap red vinyl 1st LP with differ OBI than any other Japs and I think > the biggest maybe > maybe you can talk him out of it after all these years > peace > dickdog (Trev changed it, he'll pay, in play) > > > On 7/24/07, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > > > There exist a reissue with the running order of the songs printed on the > > back > > > > greetings filip > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > > > > > There ARE some UK copies with yellow labels. I have two standard UA > > cream > > > labels and one yellow UA label - the same shade of yellow as the USA > > > promo. I'll check the matrix numbers and find out if they are > > different > > > pressings. > > > > > > Another difference is that two of the outer sleeves are laminated, > > that is > > > they have a gloss finish, whilst the remaining one is a matt > > finish. All > > > three have the Grill and photo inner sleeve. > > > > > > I don't recall any writing on the David Hardy painting, except for > > Hardy's > > > own signature. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jill Strobridge > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > > > > >> Do I? You know my record collection better than I do check>. > > >> ok - I have a UA release of the album with printed inner > > >> cover but I'd say the label was more a cream colour than yellow. I've > > > > >> also > > >> got a Liberty release of the album with side 2 on both sides but > > again > > >> the > > >> label is, I would say, cream coloured. Is there a yellow label > > version I > > >> am > > >> missing out on? The promo 45 definitely has a yellow label. It says > > it > > >> was taken from "Hall of the Mountain Grill" UA-LA328-G. This number > > >> isn't on either of my albums so I suspect the 'L' indicates a Liberty > > >> release since my double sided Liberty album starts LB while the > > United > > >> Artists one starts UA. > > >> > > >> That's my research done for the day 8-) > > >> jill > > >> ============================================== > > >> Jill Strobridge jill.strobridge at blueyonder.co.uk> > > >> ============================================== > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "mike coleman" insect.brain at GMAIL.COM> > > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > > >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:07 PM > > >> Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind in August Record Collector > > >> tell the Assassin > > >> > > >> > Jill, if you didn't delete this one, I still remember something > > about > > >> > you,,,,,you got a record pressing I always wanted but never found > > >> > before > > >> > the > > >> > future of mankind got put into question when they sold my > > collection > > >> > and > > >> > (it > > >> > turns out) were telling perspective buyers I was > > deceased........well > > >> > they > > >> > were right they just didn't realise the flesh still walks and the > > hands > > >> > still fit on the neck if I catch them.....and I probably > > can,.....they > > >> > had > > >> > the nerve to try to make contact with me to get help (I'm sure) > > >> > (through > > >> > local record shop), making sense of which LP's went to which > > covers, > > >> > and > > >> > why > > >> > there were lots of LP's with no covers, etc.......I bet you they > > are > > >> > STILL > > >> > trying to piece my records back proper...hahaa (what's left) > > >> > anyway Jill, you have that UK Mt. Grill vinyl with the yellow > > label, > > >> > and I > > >> > always wanted that to "mate" with the USA promo 4track > > >> > 45........(politically incorrect, I know, but yellow begat yellow, > > and > > >> > I > > >> > figured that other 45's which are supposed to be USA ones, are in > > fact > > >> > NOT, > > >> > but promo sets used over here back when Hawkwind just sounded like > > >> > blaring > > >> > noise and audiences were spending most of their time at shows > > blocking > > >> > their > > >> > ears before walking out 1/3 way through the sets) > > >> > mc > > >> > I > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.Tpad.com - "The New Way to Make and > > Receive Cheap/Free Calls" > > > > > > > > > > From youless at COX.NET Wed Jul 25 00:59:49 2007 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:59:49 -0400 Subject: Silver machine Message-ID: On the recently released "Glastonbury Fayre 2CD+1DVD" boxed set. Frustratingly, this came out in miniscule numbers (I think I saw the figure of 5,000) and despite having only been issued at the end of May is now out of stock at many online retailers. 4 import copies left at amazon.co.uk, though, if you can justify forking out over forty quid for it... Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:10:42 +0200, < Dave Hall> wrote: >Been listening to Hawkwind since 1972 and have never heard the original (Calvert vocal) Silver Machine. Where can I find this? > >Dave From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 25 03:41:12 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:41:12 +0100 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The original live recording with Calvert vox cropped up on some bootleg CDs too, didn't it? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 25 04:41:11 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:41:11 +0000 Subject: Silver machine Message-ID: I have it on the Glastonbury Fayre triple LP if you need it copied to disc? Eddie. From: mike coleman Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Silver machine Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:55:08 -0500 >*As of 2002 there were 3 diff CD bootlegs, the original 3lp vinyl, and a >VERY rare Italian 3LP boot......that looks cool as hell.........* >*BUT! I have a clean version with no vinyl pops that FoFP is about to have >and I am not speaking for him but I ask aloud if maybe he'd share it??* >*I can't do much at the moment* >*mc* > > >On 7/24/07, < Dave Hall> wrote: >> >>Been listening to Hawkwind since 1972 and have never heard the original >>(Calvert vocal) Silver Machine. Where can I find this? >> >>Dave >> _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 25 04:54:33 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:54:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Mystery "Brainstorm" (around 4:28 long)? In-Reply-To: <20070724212740.GC28481@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 24/07/2007 22:27, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 11:41:07AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: >> I thought it might be, though the online discographies I've checked (for >> example, ) suggest the >> "Brainstorm" on _In Your Area_ forms part of a single track: >> "Brainstorm" (Turner) / "Hawkwind in Your Area" (Brock/Rizz) 11:08. >> ... though my mystery "Brainstorm" is by itself and only 4:28. But >> perhaps the track listing on Wikipedia for "In Your Area" is wrong, and >> "Brainstorm" is a separate track on the CD from "Hawkwind in Your Area"? > > The problem here is that the track splits on the disc and those > listed on the sleeve aren't the same. The sleeve tells you: > 1. Brainstorm > 2. Hawkwind in Your Area > [...] > but the disc lists only 12 tracks precisely because as far as it's > concerned track 2 is `Alchemy' and track 4 is the outtro of `Love in > Space' and then `Aerospaceage Inferno'. But on the unbroken track 1 the > synth part of `In Your Area' starts at 04:24. So I guess that what > you've got is a rip of this track which tastefully quits just as Rizz > opens his trap :-) Yeah, I think I'm satisfied that what I did was make a home-made (re?)separation of "Brainstorm" from "Hawkwind in Your Area" specifically to dodge Captain Rizz's ... contributions :) > ObCD: Queens of the Stone Age - _Songs for the Deaf_ (anyone got an > opinion on the new one yet or are we *all* too old or too cool to care?) I have to confess never really warmed to QotSA beyond its/their inaugural appearance on that split CD with Kyuss (the "Gamma Ray" period), with an honourable mention to "Feel Good Hit of the Summer" ;) While doubtless jaded by a subconscious irritation that "they're not Kyuss", I've always felt that Homme was drawing himself further and further into a kind of unnecessarily self-conscious post-grunge, torn between psych-o-boogie and Radioheadish uebercleverness (there's another band I never really warmed too, despite everyone trumpeting them as geniuses; moody depressing buggers sez I! :) Er, so, no, I haven't got it ... But then I haven't got the other QotSA albums either! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 25 05:02:56 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:02:56 +0100 Subject: HW: "Watching the Grass Grow" versions In-Reply-To: <20070724205358.GA28481@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 24/07/2007 21:53, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:09:35AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: >> Yup, it would make sense that it's from _This is Hawkwind, Do Not >> Panic_, since I definitely have a CD of that (albeit in the US right >> now), and probably would have scooped a few tracks off it. I just >> didn't remember the spoken intro that came before Nik's "We are the >> survivors ...", which made me wonder if it was a different source or >> something .... But I guess not! > > If I remember my trivia correctly the spoken intro is by Roy > Harper, and it's the same Stonehenge as `Stonehenge Decoded' but not the > same night and therefore not the same line-up becaue on the `Watching > the Grass Grow' night Huw was ill? I have since come to have it vaguely in mind (probably from one of Bernhard's posts in the archives) that "Watching the Grass Grow" is from 20 June 1984 and is +Huw, while "Stonehenge Decoded" is 21 June 1984 and is -Huw. But either way, the recording of "Watching the Grass Grow" I have must just be the usual one from _This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic_. I have a dim memory of copying something from my CD of it when I was in the States a time or two ago, and this must be what it was :) (Anyway, according to the mighty HW Codex, the only versions of WtGG are from _This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic_ and _Undisclosed Files_ -- both of which I have somewhere, though if I'd only copied one, it would have been the TIHDNP version.) And, yes, I believe Roy Harper is in there on the intro. Hats off to 'im! ;) > Mind you my famous `in this order' file insists that Jenny > Chapman should have been singing with the Hawks at that point and I > can't hear her, mind you this might not be the best pair of numbers to > register a backing singer... That, I couldn't say! Can't hear her, though (or anyone else who sounds like they might own a name like "Jenny"). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jul 25 05:47:04 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:47:04 +0100 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707030340w3ade1219o77229c496c25d3b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 05:40:49AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > * Regarding the terrorists, I am suspecting they are in search of Giant > Cheese as well, very likely not knowing what it is they really seek......I > suggest you get into the Giant Cheese biz straightaways, and at once, > putting yourself firmly out in front and in control.......first I was > hearing the Beatles "all we need is cheese! alltogether now, all we need is > cheese, cheese, cheese is all we need", but then my mind morphed into > hearing the most disgusting version of a Phil Collins song that some band > named Disturbed covered saying "Not enough Cheese to go round", or > somesuch,,,,,,,,and at this point I am just realising what Amphetamine > Embalmer has accomplished.......* It's called `Land of Confusion'. I'm sorry I know that. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Jul 25 06:14:36 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:14:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Collectors Edition Message-ID: Hej Just got the collectors Edition in my hands today... A very nice triple fold out digipack like thing with a large booklet and the track times. IT states that the digital surround sound was made from the original stereo tapes. I will listen and report back on Friday about the sound as I have a very high end Klipsch 5.1 stereo system... Mind blowing sound.. So I will let you know if any minds get blown... As far as the times.. It seems that Brainstorm which was 9:20 on the original EMI remaster CD is now 13:46. Time we left this world Today, which was edited on the original is still edited here. Why not included the full version?? The bonus tracks are: Orgone Accumulator 8:50 Time we left this world today 13:22 You shouldn't do That 6:42 IT states that these are all alternative nights performances. You shouldn't do that is almost the same time as the version on the EMI remaster (6.55) that comes after Welcome to the Future. ON the new edition, the version of You shouldn't do that, that follows Welcome is 10:38m long and marked as previously unreleased as is the version of Welcome to the Future.. I am most interested to see how this sounds on a high end DVD system in 5.1... Reporting back.... Scott ObCD. Deadburger- c? ancora vita su marte From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 25 06:29:11 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:29:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Collectors Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 25/07/2007 11:14, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > IT states that the digital surround sound was made from the original stereo tapes. Interesting .... I wonder how that works. > I will listen and report back on Friday about the sound as I have a very high end Klipsch 5.1 stereo system... Mind blowing sound.. So I will let you know if any minds get blown... Oh, yes, definitely interested in knowing how the 5.1 turned out! :) > As far as the times.. It seems that Brainstorm which was 9:20 on the original EMI remaster CD is now 13:46. > Time we left this world Today, which was edited on the original is still edited here. Why not included the full version?? Why indeed .... I've taken to assuming that there has to be _some_ inexplicable oddity or another with any Hawkwind release! > The bonus tracks are: > Orgone Accumulator 8:50 > Time we left this world today 13:22 > You shouldn't do That 6:42 > IT states that these are all alternative nights performances. You shouldn't do that is almost the same time as the version on the EMI remaster (6.55) that comes after Welcome to the Future. ON the new edition, the version of You shouldn't do that, that follows Welcome is 10:38m long and marked as previously unreleased as is the version of Welcome to the Future.. Not sure I follow all that .... The new version of YSDT is is 10:38m? Or the new WttF is 10:38m? Or ....? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Wed Jul 25 07:00:09 2007 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:00:09 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze Message-ID: Dear all, I only managed to see a tiny bit of Spaceritual, due to a sleeping daughter and a wee soaking, so if amyone else was there please tell me more. I did see Brainstorm, which was plodding and pedestrian, and children of the sun, with such a horrible mix and flute so noisy I worried for my ears, and this helped drive me away. I did hear Masters (from my tent), which was better. There is a nice video which gives a flavour of the music at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mpXccTHBN0 I also had to miss Litmus, which really irked me, I blame my daughter. If there is any video of it, please could a snippet be put onto youtube? Did see omnia opera, nukli and other bands, but managed to miss most of the stuff i really wanted to se. 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Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 25 07:05:52 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:05:52 +0100 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: Dave's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:10:42 +0200 Message-ID: Dave writes: > Been listening to Hawkwind since 1972 and have never heard the > original (Calvert vocal) Silver Machine. Where can I find this? It's on the Glastonbury Fayre triple LP, plus the Assassins of Allah boot LP and the Dawn of Hawkwind boot CD (not to be confused with the official Dawn of Hawkwind CD). FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 25 07:07:09 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:09 +0100 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: Steve Youles's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: Steve Youles writes: > On the recently released "Glastonbury Fayre 2CD+1DVD" boxed set. Is the DVD of the original Glasters movie or the recently released one? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 25 07:08:29 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:08:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Collectors Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:14 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > IT states that the digital surround sound was made from the > original stereo tapes. So does this mean they have created a fake 5.1 surround sound mix from the already-mixed stereo masters instead of making a proper 5.1 surround sound mix from scratch using the original multi-track master tapes? It sounds like the former from what you've written. :-( (Mind you, it would take a lot of creative input to achieve the latter.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 25 07:10:27 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:10:27 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Wright, Mike's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:00:09 +0100 Message-ID: Wright, Mike writes: > Dear all, > > I only managed to see a tiny bit of Spaceritual, due to a sleeping > daughter and a wee soaking, so if amyone else was there please tell me > more. How was the weather? FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jul 25 07:15:37 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:15:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Collectors Edition In-Reply-To: <4600D016-957A-40D7-A261-30A60A691CCE@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 25/07/2007 12:08, Paul Mather wrote: > On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:14 AM, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: >> IT states that the digital surround sound was made from the original >> stereo tapes. > > So does this mean they have created a fake 5.1 surround sound mix from > the already-mixed stereo masters instead of making a proper 5.1 surround > sound mix from scratch using the original multi-track master tapes? > It sounds like the former from what you've written. :-( That was what I'm guessing. That would start to make the 5.1 mix feature of the new release sound less exciting (though the 24bit version of the stereo would still be nice, as would the full version of "Brainstorm"). > (Mind you, it would take a lot of creative input to achieve the latter.) Yeah ... but fun to do! :) (Well, if I had a lot of time on my hands. I would bet there is a _lot_ of cross-mic bleed on the original multi-track tapes!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Wed Jul 25 07:47:30 2007 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:47:30 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: A<200707251110.l6PBAR15014475@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It rained all day Friday, until I tried to pitch my tent at 5, when the sun came out. The site was drying up nicely until Saturday, around litmus time, then it rained for about an hour. The site was pretty muddy, and the toilet lorry got stuck in the mud, so that made for an unpleasant Sunday morning. This photo shows the level of mud http://www.flickr.com/photos/78743109 at N00/879541728/ And this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8FN92MGRH8 Gives you the level of squelchiness. Overall, bearable, but not if you have to carry to big 3.75 year old around. mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 25 July 2007 12:10 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Nik: Eastern Haze Wright, Mike writes: > Dear all, > > I only managed to see a tiny bit of Spaceritual, due to a sleeping > daughter and a wee soaking, so if amyone else was there please tell me > more. How was the weather? 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Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 25 08:15:46 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:15:46 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze Message-ID: That's not mud. This is mud: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/glasto2007.html ha! trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wright, Mike" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Nik: Eastern Haze It rained all day Friday, until I tried to pitch my tent at 5, when the sun came out. The site was drying up nicely until Saturday, around litmus time, then it rained for about an hour. The site was pretty muddy, and the toilet lorry got stuck in the mud, so that made for an unpleasant Sunday morning. This photo shows the level of mud http://www.flickr.com/photos/78743109 at N00/879541728/ And this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8FN92MGRH8 Gives you the level of squelchiness. Overall, bearable, but not if you have to carry to big 3.75 year old around. mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 25 July 2007 12:10 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Nik: Eastern Haze Wright, Mike writes: > Dear all, > > I only managed to see a tiny bit of Spaceritual, due to a sleeping > daughter and a wee soaking, so if amyone else was there please tell me > more. How was the weather? FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. Building Research Establishment Ltd, Registered under number 3319324 in England and Wales. BRE Certification Limited, Registered under number 3548352 in England and Wales. Building Research Establishment and BRE Certification are subsidiaries of the BRE Trust. BRE Trust, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales, and registered as a charity (No 1092193). Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 25 09:23:20 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:23:20 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Wright, Mike's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:47:30 +0100 Message-ID: Wright, Mike writes: > It rained all day Friday, until I tried to pitch my tent at 5, when the > sun came out. The site was drying up nicely until Saturday, around > litmus time, then it rained for about an hour. The site was pretty > muddy, and the toilet lorry got stuck in the mud, so that made for an > unpleasant Sunday morning. > > This photo shows the level of mud > http://www.flickr.com/photos/78743109 at N00/879541728/ > And this video > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8FN92MGRH8 > Gives you the level of squelchiness. I'm with The Judge. If your wellies don't go in 8 inches and it isn't a major effort with every step to get them out again, it's just a bit of dirt... FoFP From youless at COX.NET Wed Jul 25 09:30:06 2007 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:30:06 -0400 Subject: Silver machine Message-ID: I believe it's a poor quality transfer (from VHS or some other more elderly format) of the original 1971 footage. And that there is going to be a properly remastered DVD issue of the same thing in September. It won't have the audio album though, so no Hawkwind. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:09 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Steve Youles writes: > >> On the recently released "Glastonbury Fayre 2CD+1DVD" boxed set. > >Is the DVD of the original Glasters movie or the recently released one? > >FoFP From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Wed Jul 25 09:45:07 2007 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:07 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: A<200707251323.l6PDNKV3012471@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I agree that the mud was not particularly huge, but as to the major effort it took to extricate my foot on every step, then look here http://www.truprint.co.uk/slideshow/AlbumID=168926150/PictureID=35110617 77/a=16932369_16932369/t_=16932369 mw -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 25 July 2007 14:23 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Nik: Eastern Haze Wright, Mike writes: > It rained all day Friday, until I tried to pitch my tent at 5, when > the sun came out. The site was drying up nicely until Saturday, > around litmus time, then it rained for about an hour. The site was > pretty muddy, and the toilet lorry got stuck in the mud, so that made > for an unpleasant Sunday morning. > > This photo shows the level of mud > http://www.flickr.com/photos/78743109 at N00/879541728/ > And this video > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8FN92MGRH8 > Gives you the level of squelchiness. I'm with The Judge. If your wellies don't go in 8 inches and it isn't a major effort with every step to get them out again, it's just a bit of dirt... FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. 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Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 25 10:18:57 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:18:57 -0500 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *I'm just curious if this "new" release of Glasto is an "official" one, which means all the tracks are minus vinyl noise as compared with the former boot issues??? and just for chat sake, one of those was titled "the electric score", I believe was a Japanese one, in a slim case.....which I still have...the other 2 came with repos of the paper goods, the second of which I have minus the toys, and, and I notice the first issue was snaked from me, and sold (minus the toys),,,,,,,they all sucked........BUT, that Italian LP boot has a cool cover with a cut-out revealing the art from the inner sleeve.......I suggest suicide if you don't have it..........* On 7/25/07, Steve Youles wrote: > > I believe it's a poor quality transfer (from VHS or some other more > elderly > format) of the original 1971 footage. And that there is going to be a > properly > remastered DVD issue of the same thing in September. It won't have the > audio album though, so no Hawkwind. > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:09 +0100, M Holmes > wrote: > > >Steve Youles writes: > > > >> On the recently released "Glastonbury Fayre 2CD+1DVD" boxed set. > > > >Is the DVD of the original Glasters movie or the recently released one? > > > >FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 25 11:41:36 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:41:36 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Wright, Mike's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: Wright, Mike writes: > I agree that the mud was not particularly huge, but as to the major > effort it took to extricate my foot on every step, then look here > > http://www.truprint.co.uk/slideshow/AlbumID=168926150/PictureID=35110617 > 77/a=16932369_16932369/t_=16932369 Snap! I've still got one off those from Glasters. Worse: it was under a well-callused heel. FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 25 12:32:39 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:32:39 -0500 Subject: WAY(OFF) excecpt you missed one unreal thing In-Reply-To: <20070725094703.GE28481@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 7/25/07, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > regarding US band "Disturbed": > > """ It's called `Land of Confusion'. I'm sorry I know that."" don't be,,,,,it's simply knowledge......my "best" friend Mark, likes the Disturbed version, so in turn, I decided that to me, that was an example of that band gone "commersh", and I gave him their breakout CD, whatever it's called........funny, I can listen to albums like "Black Metal" and experience joy and sense of well-being, while bands like Disturbed (whom I did find unique in my past life), I find, well, disturbing......no sense of loss *yours, SATAN* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 25 12:51:29 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:51:29 -0500 Subject: Silver machine In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707250718j793ec092j11529d0cb234af47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: somebody please answer the below, because I have great respect for MHFoFP, and I already have something to be embarrasssed about (a little), and if the clean version of GF SS isn't even special then I need a new blessing from one of the higher powers for him.... thanks Poindexter On 7/25/07, mike coleman wrote: > > *I'm just curious if this "new" release of Glasto is an "official" one, > which means all the tracks are minus vinyl noise as compared with the former > boot issues??? and just for chat sake, one of those was titled "the > electric score", I believe was a Japanese one, in a slim case.....which I > still have...the other 2 came with repos of the paper goods, the second of > which I have minus the toys, and, and I notice the first issue was snaked > from me, and sold (minus the toys),,,,,,,they all sucked........BUT, that > Italian LP boot has a cool cover with a cut-out revealing the art from the > inner sleeve.......I suggest suicide if you don't have it.......... * > > On 7/25/07, Steve Youles wrote: > > > > I believe it's a poor quality transfer (from VHS or some other more > > elderly > > format) of the original 1971 footage. And that there is going to be a > > properly > > remastered DVD issue of the same thing in September. It won't have the > > audio album though, so no Hawkwind. > > > > Steve > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:09 +0100, M Holmes < fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> > > wrote: > > > > >Steve Youles writes: > > > > > >> On the recently released "Glastonbury Fayre 2CD+1DVD" boxed set. > > > > > >Is the DVD of the original Glasters movie or the recently released one? > > > > > > > >FoFP > > > > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Jul 25 13:15:59 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:15:59 +0000 Subject: NAZZ NEWS: NAZZ to perform special 'one off' concert in Massachusetts: August 17 Message-ID: NAZZ News: http://www.prleap.com/pr/86899/ _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!? http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 25 13:33:09 2007 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:33:09 EDT Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze / Litmus... Message-ID: Don't blame your daughter. Litmus didn't play at the fest due to vehicle problems. A shame cos I was looking forward to seeing them and had told a few others about them. I bought their Planetfall CD there though, and it got "festivalised" by getting mud on the slipcase despite it being in my rucksack and in a plastic wrapper. In a message dated 07/25/2007 12:00:46 GMT Standard Time, wrightm at BRE.CO.UK writes: I also had to miss Litmus, which really irked me, I blame my daughter. If there is any video of it, please could a snippet be put onto youtube? From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Jul 25 13:48:52 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:48:52 +0100 Subject: Nik: Eastern Haze / Litmus... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sadly, Litmus were unable to play at Eastern Haze due to bizarre, indeed almost farcical, automotive problems. However, we will be there next year! Apologies to everyone who was hoping to see Litmus. Colin StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: Don't blame your daughter. Litmus didn't play at the fest due to vehicle problems. A shame cos I was looking forward to seeing them and had told a few others about them. I bought their Planetfall CD there though, and it got "festivalised" by getting mud on the slipcase despite it being in my rucksack and in a plastic wrapper. In a message dated 07/25/2007 12:00:46 GMT Standard Time, wrightm at BRE.CO.UK writes: I also had to miss Litmus, which really irked me, I blame my daughter. If there is any video of it, please could a snippet be put onto youtube? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jul 25 16:30:24 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:30:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fear Of Mike Coleman's Black Planet In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707040711i1865b90cx61036b16faa43230@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 09:11:11AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > Mornin' Jon > enjoyed reading the porc post Flattered as ever, thankyou... > regarding SD, sure enough my memory was still there......you liked > "Lightbulb" better... > on this one lets agree to friendly disagree, same as all those years > ago....I myself LOVE both records but do prefer SD by a good lead I think what I am listening to in PT isn't necessarily what other people re. For example, at about the same time this mail I'm answering hit the list, so did another from David K. saying he thought that _Fear of a Blank Planet_ was a slight but welcome step away from metal back towards their proggier side. This cheers me as a prospect but it'd cheer me a lot more to hear someone says "this is a *weird* album man, like the old psychedelic stuff", because that's what first got me into them. So I am possibly giving LS and _Deadwing_ the edge over their immediate preceders simply because they have less noodle and more tunesmithery where others would see instead pop lightweightness triumphing over more developed music. How such a person could defend `Stop Swimming' I don't understand but as you say, I guess we'll have to agree to differ :-) > I've sent you a private mail last nite, please look for it if you can if you > haven't seen it Got it, but as behind with that as the rest of my mail, reply shall reach you never fear. Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Space Ritual_ (how often does that happen, eh?) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Jul 26 10:19:55 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:19:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fear Of Mike Coleman's Black Planet In-Reply-To: <20070725203023.GH28481@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Quoting Jonathan Jarrett : > I think what I am listening to in PT isn't necessarily what > other people re. For example, at about the same time this mail I'm > answering hit the list, so did another from David K. saying he thought > that _Fear of a Blank Planet_ was a slight but welcome step away from > metal back towards their proggier side. Though there are parts that are very heavy as well (like the first track). > This cheers me as a prospect > but it'd cheer me a lot more to hear someone says "this is a *weird* > album man, like the old psychedelic stuff", because that's what first > got me into them. Well, anyone who said that would be lying. :-) So I am possibly giving LS and _Deadwing_ the edge > over their immediate preceders simply because they have less noodle and > more tunesmithery where others would see instead pop lightweightness > triumphing over more developed music. How such a person could defend > `Stop Swimming' I don't understand but as you say, I guess we'll have to > agree to differ :-) I love Stop Swimming. :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 26 13:34:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:34:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fear Of Mike Coleman's Black Planet In-Reply-To: <20070726101955.2i8eykg8ok000ogs@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: *OK, I had to go play Stop Swimming.......my comment may sound weird like so much of mine, but here it is....* *in the RYO/MYO tobacco forums, MANY folks love to speak about and share tobacco blends,,,,,,there is just one huge problem...it can't be done at all really, other than the majority agreeing on whom are the best sellers and suppliers of the best of the best....the specific tastes are subjective.........while I can see Jon's possible not going for that particular "brew" of dismal/slow/depressive, to me that song reached out and spoke to me in a way like pure LSD fits into the brain synapses (or wherever it fits) like a perfect key* *if it were a single (and if it is remind me, so I can see if I have it), I'd pay full album price for just that track, short as it is, and I would be pissed off, of course, but nevertheless, SS is a million on it's own........not sure about 10 million though, which is what would really be a million now, right?* *hope EVERYONE is happy as can be had* *"love"* *mike c* On 7/26/07, David Kuznick wrote: > > Quoting Jonathan Jarrett : > > > I think what I am listening to in PT isn't necessarily what > > other people re. For example, at about the same time this mail I'm > > answering hit the list, so did another from David K. saying he thought > > that _Fear of a Blank Planet_ was a slight but welcome step away from > > metal back towards their proggier side. > > Though there are parts that are very heavy as well (like the first track). > > > This cheers me as a prospect > > but it'd cheer me a lot more to hear someone says "this is a *weird* > > album man, like the old psychedelic stuff", because that's what first > > got me into them. > > Well, anyone who said that would be lying. :-) > > So I am possibly giving LS and _Deadwing_ the edge > > over their immediate preceders simply because they have less noodle and > > more tunesmithery where others would see instead pop lightweightness > > triumphing over more developed music. How such a person could defend > > `Stop Swimming' I don't understand but as you say, I guess we'll have to > > agree to differ :-) > > I love Stop Swimming. :-) > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light > from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, > I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." > Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG > From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Thu Jul 26 21:01:20 2007 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:01:20 -0400 Subject: Imaginos demos? Message-ID: Hello All, I'm wondering if anyone has or know's of a source for Albert's Imaginos demos? I'd love to hear them. I don't know how Albert feels about these being spread so if it's uncool I will abandon the search. I want to respect Albert's wishes. ((I did buy three copies of the album when it came out and would buy it again when/if it is rereleased (hopefully with extras etc, but that another story)) You can email me off list at starrywisdom at emulsionalchemy.org Thanks, Adam From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jul 26 23:41:49 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:41:49 -0700 Subject: Imaginos demos? In-Reply-To: <000f01c7cfe9$a6aaf5e0$2f01a8c0@M> Message-ID: A reissue of "Imaginos?" Wow, that will be the day. Unless Albert put something out on Cellsum. Not that I'd be opposed... Adam Savje wrote: Hello All, I'm wondering if anyone has or know's of a source for Albert's Imaginos demos? I'd love to hear them. I don't know how Albert feels about these being spread so if it's uncool I will abandon the search. I want to respect Albert's wishes. ((I did buy three copies of the album when it came out and would buy it again when/if it is rereleased (hopefully with extras etc, but that another story)) You can email me off list at starrywisdom at emulsionalchemy.org Thanks, Adam --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 27 02:40:29 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:40:29 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Revisited Message-ID: Hello Ok.. I made a side by side comparison of a few tracks from the previous EMI remaster and the new one done by different people at and at Abbey Road studios. Both were done from the 1/4 stereo mix down tape from what I understand. Anyway, the new one wins for sure.. If you listen to 7 by 7 the clarity of the sound is improved, the bass is less muddy. Brocks guitar is really clear... Quite impressive sound. I listened to the new full length version of Brainstorm.. Totally spaced out... What an amazing wall of sound king, kilmister and brock produced... Nik and all the electronics are really buried deep in the sound so you almost don't notice them unless you really listen... Dave plays such a killer dirty, spacey wah guitar.. Mindblowing stuff. The extra version of You shouldn't do That is really cool but the mix you can tell is different from the rest of the record. They did a great job of leaving the ending after welcome to the future and you hear the band come back on for YOU shoudn't do That. Talk about a football match and at the end wish eveyone a merry christmas.. Pretty impressive.. I had never seen the full Silver Machine and Urban Guerilla videos. The sound and visuals are great.. I should say that when you play the DVD audio you do get visuals on the TV but they are pretty lame and on brainstorm for instance it is the same 1 min sequence repeated over and over and over.. Sound is amazing but the 5.1 you hardly notice. Sometimes you hear a dramatic shift in the sound but not much was done. Over and out... This is your captain speaking , and your captain says go spend more money on Hawkwind.... Scott From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 27 03:28:37 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:28:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>On 7/27/07, SHLL (Scott Heller) >>>>wrote: \ >>at the end wish eveyone a merry christmas.. that's just so wrong!! almost as bad as telling the origin of the Hawkwind name...... I gave Trev a LOT of shit for throwing a Christmas party last year....... *KIDDING FOLKS, REALLY!!!! it's a special day regardless of one's belief(s) * ** *Angra Mainyu* From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 27 10:40:03 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:40:03 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707060716v672efb77v3b101e769ec233d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:16:55AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > and Jon + rest, when I put SD up as a fave next to LBS, please consider I > have both standard "Lightbulb", AND German 2CD version...I recognize the > brilliance on this recording, but it just doesn't keep my mood altogether, > up and flowing, as much as SD I didn't get the 2CD version because by then I had learnt that its `exclusive' tracks would come out on something else soon enough. And, after a while _Recordings_ happened along, and because I hadn't bought that 2CD version of an album I already had, there were actually some tracks on it I didn't already own. I don't mind some duplication of material, by and large, though in the case of HW _Spacebrock_ rather pushed the limit. But PT's Snapper years did seem expressly designed to create things that a Kollector would have to buy without generating any new actual music, and because SW has done exactly the same with the first IEM album I'm inclined to blame him not them. That and the series of soundalike insipid singles those albums generated were really what disenchanted me with the band. Since then I've been rather more relaxed about buying their stuff, but I still have more PT discs on my shelves than items by any other band except HW, even though they have a fraction of the number of releases. Hmph, yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 27 11:21:20 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:21:20 +0100 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 04:23:53PM +0100, trev typed out: > Hi John, I'm glad that you avoided Nazer's bomb. As I have said before, > your reviews are accurate and demonstrate your considerable cognisance of > the subject. However, where you fall down is on your emotional receptivity. > We of the Inner City Unit don't stand up well to intellectual scrutiny, in > fact we don't like it. When you come to see us, you should be prepared to > abandon all mind functions and enter into the wonderful world of ZEN > NO-MIND (either temporarily by drink and drugs or, more permanently, by a > lifetime of asceticism). Come down the front or if not, at least tap your > foot. All good gig experiences are a two-way affair between band and > Blessed Ones. I've not been entirely sure how to reply to this and keep it from getting too personal, so all I can say to this is that, though you may not have seen it, I do come to the front and dance, or something like that, when the band is one that has me wanting to. Plenty of people on this list have seen it and had to dodge... There might have been a lot of reasons that didn't happen this time: I was trying to keep an eye on a heavy bag, I was tired, whatever, but I gave it some to Litmus, but couldn't get moving to the ICU performance. Now I would put that down to the fact that the rhythm section were out of step and making it hard to get down, you can say I wasn't listening right, but I don't think either of us will convince the other. > You left the gig just after half-way through, yes, we endured til the > bouncers started considering to use violence to stop us as usual. The most > important part of any gig is the last half hour. I've certainly been to gigs where it started awfully and then miraculously came right. I've also been to gigs where it was the other way, for twenty minutes it was the New One True Way and then they seemed to run out of ideas. I don't think I'd say `any gig' to what you say, then, but I've certainly seen what you mean. > I was rather perturbed by some aspects of the reviews you have made in the > past, for example, you criticised the Mother of All Bands album "Insect > Brain" because it didn't sound anything like Hawkwind. With that kind of > attitude there would never have been a Hawkwind or Motorhead, or ICU, or > even Beatles etc. That may be how you recall it, but it's not what I said. http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0503A&L=BOC-L&P=R622 That review starts: "I have to say that this album was something of a surprise to me. Knowing bassist Ron Tree's punk background and the way he worked with that in Hawkwind, and owning quite a lot of guitarist Judge Trev's work with Inner City Unit and The Atomgods, I was expecting high-speed punk. Wasn't this, after all, a band which Terry Ollis had refused to join because they played too fast? Instead, they seem to have borrowed Senser's drummer and that too leads one to think high speed intricacy. "Well, this is not what it is, so you may as well shed that idea straight away. This is actually mostly an album of jamming and tone poems." I also said that Ron was singing better than he had with Hawkwind, that `Meat Eater' had a progression of ideas that reminded me of `Assassins of Allah' and that I wondered if Ron had been trying for something similar, and I mentioned that there was a Hawkwind *cover* on it (which you have to admit does encourage the comparison). But I didn't say what you say I said, and nor would I for exactly the reasons you give. In fact you can find me tearing Krel's _Ad Astra_ into bits precisely because of how Hawkwind-clonish it was, though even there I think I made it clear I was enjoying the album's update of the eighties HW sound: http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0101C&L=BOC-L&P=R4781 So I think you're propagating propaganda, O Judge. > second: > I have decided that Inner City Unit WILL NEVER REHEARSE AGAIN. OUR ONE AND > ONLY 2 HOUR REHEARSAL SO FAR WAS THE DAY BEFORE THAT FATEFUL GIG IN > WALTHAMSTOW - AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! So, how did *you* think it went? :-) > third: > And while we are on the subject of the Brotherhood, and considering matters > of human equality. I think that all of you who are on ?25,000+ should > visit www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk and buy as many of my CD's as possible - > not because you want them, but to alleviate the terrible inequality between > rich and poor in the world today - it's the worst it's ever been in the > known history of man. Can you re-release the second Atomgods album on CD-R? That'd be cool. > fourth: > Mike Coleman is not getting his hands on my unopened copy of Atomgods WOW > vinyl, hovever much he whines and rants about it, or tells me how to open > it by "rolling it out" and "blowing into the sleeve"! It's a good album is that. > fifth: > John, I fancy your girlfriend. You're a man of taste. And she's a better bass-player than Nazer too, clearly a match made in heaven, or at least Brighton. Alas, she's moved... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 27 11:50:33 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:50:33 -0500 Subject: JON JARRET NARROWLY ESCAPES TERRORIST BOMB BLAST was NIK/OFF: Litmus & Inner City Unit, The Standard, Walthamstow, 11/05/07 In-Reply-To: <20070727152120.GA28122@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: **Jon in this mail you just mentioned the "second" Atomgods CD not being on disc.......don't you mean "WOW, the first??? and speaking of, I just did a deal last night on a cassette because I wanted a CDR made from that instead of vinyl?? can you help me?? if so I may be willing to freeze Trev (as I threatened him last night) into a godawfully stupid and dumb pose, for all eternity............the only other thing with "Atom" in it that I know of is "ATOMGOD" "hISTORY rE-WRITTEN", of which there are at least 2 CD issues, my UK one had the original flyer, as did the vinyl, and Trev jumped up and down and threw a child's tantrum until I agreed to give him mine...he had to wait five years for it though...hehehehe,,,, he seems to think he can "make it" and "save the blessed ones", without me, OId Scratch, have you ever heard anything so rediculous and funny>????? anyway Jon, or any other qualified elite music person on here, could you start talking Necropolis please, as I think it's another Judge is afraid I'll laugh at if I hear it..... at any rate, somebody PLEASE work me a deal for a WOW CDR made from my cassette, and your vinyl artwork...you'll be paid in one fashion or another great fashion..... as for Nik and Trev, they're good people, just give them a hug and don't tap into their money supply no-matter how big or small it may seem all can be turned into good or I will destroy everything to do with humans and their flatulatory disgustingness mc On 7/27/07, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 04:23:53PM +0100, trev typed out: > > Hi John, I'm glad that you avoided Nazer's bomb. As I have said > before, > > your reviews are accurate and demonstrate your considerable cognisance > of > > the subject. However, where you fall down is on your emotional > receptivity. > > We of the Inner City Unit don't stand up well to intellectual scrutiny, > i > > fact we don't like it. When you come to see us, you should be prepared > to > > abandon all mind functions and enter into the wonderful world of ZEN > > NO-MIND (either temporarily by drink and drugs or, more permanently, > by a > > lifetime of asceticism). Come down the front or if not, at least tap > your > > foot. All good gig experiences are a two-way affair between band and > > Blessed Ones. > > I've not been entirely sure how to reply to this and keep it > from getting too personal, so all I can say to this is that, though you > may not have seen it, I do come to the front and dance, or something > like that, when the band is one that has me wanting to. Plenty of people > on this list have seen it and had to dodge... There might have been a > lot of reasons that didn't happen this time: I was trying to keep an > eye on a heavy bag, I was tired, whatever, but I gave it some to Litmus, > but couldn't get moving to the ICU performance. Now I would put that > down to the fact that the rhythm section were out of step and making it > hard to get down, you can say I wasn't listening right, but I don't > think either of us will convince the other. > > > You left the gig just after half-way through, yes, we endured til the > > bouncers started considering to use violence to stop us as usual. The > most > > important part of any gig is the last half hour. > > I've certainly been to gigs where it started awfully and then > miraculously came right. I've also been to gigs where it was the other > way, for twenty minutes it was the New One True Way and then they seemed > to run out of ideas. I don't think I'd say `any gig' to what you say, > then, but I've certainly seen what you mean. > > > I was rather perturbed by some aspects of the reviews you have made in > the > > past, for example, you criticised the Mother of All Bands album "Insect > > Brain" because it didn't sound anything like Hawkwind. With that kind of > > attitude there would never have been a Hawkwind or Motorhead, or ICU, or > > even Beatles etc. > > > > That may be how you recall it, but it's not what I said. > > http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0503A&L=BOC-L&P=R622 > > That review starts: > > "I have to say that this album was something of a surprise to > me. Knowing bassist Ron Tree's punk background and the way he worked > with that in Hawkwind, and owning quite a lot of guitarist Judge > Trev's work with Inner City Unit and The Atomgods, I was expecting > high-speed punk. Wasn't this, after all, a band which Terry Ollis had > refused to join because they played too fast? Instead, they seem to have > borrowed Senser's drummer and that too leads one to think high speed > intricacy. > > "Well, this is not what it is, so you may as well shed that idea > straight away. This is actually mostly an album of jamming and tone > poems." > > I also said that Ron was singing better than he had with > Hawkwind, that `Meat Eater' had a progression of ideas that reminded me > of `Assassins of Allah' and that I wondered if Ron had been trying for > something similar, and I mentioned that there was a Hawkwind *cover* on > it (which you have to admit does encourage the comparison). But I didn't > say what you say I said, and nor would I for exactly the reasons you > give. In fact you can find me tearing Krel's _Ad Astra_ into bits > precisely because of how Hawkwind-clonish it was, though even there I > think I made it clear I was enjoying the album's update of the eighties > HW sound: > > http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0101C&L=BOC-L&P=R4781 > > So I think you're propagating propaganda, O Judge. > > > second: > > I have decided that Inner City Unit WILL NEVER REHEARSE AGAIN. OUR ONE > AND > > ONLY 2 HOUR REHEARSAL SO FAR WAS THE DAY BEFORE THAT FATEFUL GIG IN > > WALTHAMSTOW - AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! > > So, how did *you* think it went? :-) > > > third: > > And while we are on the subject of the Brotherhood, and considering > matters > > of human equality. I think that all of you who are on ?25,000+ should > > visit www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk and buy as many of my CD's as possible > - > > not because you want them, but to alleviate the terrible inequality > between > > rich and poor in the world today - it's the worst it's ever been in the > > known history of man. > > Can you re-release the second Atomgods album on CD-R? That'd be > cool. > > > fourth: > > Mike Coleman is not getting his hands on my unopened copy of Atomgods > WOW > > vinyl, hovever much he whines and rants about it, or tells me how to > open > > it by "rolling it out" and "blowing into the sleeve"! > > It's a good album is that. > > > fifth: > > John, I fancy your girlfriend. > > You're a man of taste. And she's a better bass-player than Nazer > too, clearly a match made in heaven, or at least Brighton. Alas, she's > moved... Yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 27 15:33:41 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707270850y938f6c2o7e1d170a454fa441@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Check this out as an example of manipulation of statistics. Kaduflyer http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Fri Jul 27 15:43:09 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:43:09 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: God forbid, we wouldn't want them actually stating the number of marijuana users and non-users, and the number in each group that developed schizophrenia! No, give us more of this "40% increase" crap! :-P Guido vzenv14m wrote: > Check this out as an example of manipulation of statistics. > > Kaduflyer > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 27 15:55:31 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:55:31 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AA4ACD.5000109@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Hi Guido, Give me more solid info, before spewing more of the same old rhetoric. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Fri Jul 27 16:06:53 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine In-Reply-To: <20070727144003.GG23873@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I was fortunate enough to catch PT's first U.S. appearance, when they played NY in around '95, or '96. Unfortunately, it was 1 of those shows that ended around 10 o'clock so all the dancing fools could do their thing. It was nice to be able to hang out with Steve, and other members before the show, unfortunately, they blew an amp, and it took some time getting another 1 set up, it was for the Sky Moves Sideways tour, that happens to be my favorite album. I would have loved to have heard 9 Cats. Stay safe, Kaduflyer From deborah at VACANO.ORG Fri Jul 27 16:27:30 2007 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:27:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AA4ACD.5000109@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Man that is total crap.. Manipulation indeed.. pass me the bong!!lol.. just kidding~ It's like that story on the news the other day stating woman that eat a 4th of a grapefruit a couple of times a week have 40% more of a chance of getting breast cancer.. I wonder who was funding that crap!! Deborah www.myspace.com/myst11 Guido Vacano wrote: > God forbid, we wouldn't want them actually stating the number of > marijuana users and non-users, and the number in each group that > developed schizophrenia! No, give us more of this "40% increase" crap! > :-P > > Guido > > vzenv14m wrote: >> Check this out as an example of manipulation of statistics. >> >> Kaduflyer >> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ >> > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 27 17:05:09 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:05:09 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Jul 2007, at 8:33 PM, vzenv14m wrote: > Check this out as an example of manipulation of statistics. > > Kaduflyer > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ Hey, that article was pretty tame compared to the one I read earlier today. At least the one you cited didn't include the word "skunk" or the phrase "modern super strength varieties" anywhere in it (which seem de rigeur in such reportage right now). (They didn't round up the numbers, either.) Still, you've got to admire the moxie of a headline writer choosing to use the word "hike" in this case. Obviously he or she figures the usual gross innumeracy of the general population is a safer bet than the chance of developing schizophrenia this finding represents. It wouldn't be quite as exciting a headline if they wrote something like "Boffins discover those smoking doobies increase their long-term risk of developing psychosis from half a percent to a whopping almost three-quarters of a percent!!!!! (Further funding required to see if the all-important one percent threshold may be crossed.)" "Evil reefer madness is a mind-eating troll." ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Jul 27 19:23:21 2007 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:23:21 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That would be Don Hills NYC 27 June 1996, which contained the only once performed medley "Moonloop/My Amp Is On Fire"!! http://www.voyage-pt.de/weeds/19960627.html Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of vzenv14m Sent: 27 July 2007 21:07 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine Hi Jon, I was fortunate enough to catch PT's first U.S. appearance, when they played NY in around '95, or '96. Unfortunately, it was 1 of those shows that ended around 10 o'clock so all the dancing fools could do their thing. It was nice to be able to hang out with Steve, and other members before the show, unfortunately, they blew an amp, and it took some time getting another 1 set up, it was for the Sky Moves Sideways tour, that happens to be my favorite album. I would have loved to have heard 9 Cats. Stay safe, Kaduflyer No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08 From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Sat Jul 28 06:59:52 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:59:52 -0400 Subject: (OFF) Fear Of Shank Hall Planet, also Porcupine In-Reply-To: <000901c7d0a5$1f832c60$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: Thanks, it's too bad the show was so short. Kaduflyer From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Jul 28 09:17:29 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:17:29 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <04D94720-18F2-4E16-A75C-727D2F6E44E1@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:05:09PM +0100, Paul Mather wrote: > On 27 Jul 2007, at 8:33 PM, vzenv14m wrote: > > >Check this out as an example of manipulation of statistics. > > > >Kaduflyer > > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > > Hey, that article was pretty tame compared to the one I read earlier > today. At least the one you cited didn't include the word "skunk" or > the phrase "modern super strength varieties" anywhere in it (which > seem de rigeur in such reportage right now). (They didn't round up > the numbers, either.) > > Still, you've got to admire the moxie of a headline writer choosing > to use the word "hike" in this case. Obviously he or she figures the > usual gross innumeracy of the general population is a safer bet than > the chance of developing schizophrenia this finding represents. > > It wouldn't be quite as exciting a headline if they wrote something > like "Boffins discover those smoking doobies increase their long-term > risk of developing psychosis from half a percent to a whopping almost > three-quarters of a percent!!!!! (Further funding required to see if > the all-important one percent threshold may be crossed.)" I noted that the researcher interviewed actually did note that correlation does not imply causality, but the significance of that was apparently lost on the reporter. I'd love to a comprehensive study of the harmful effects of alcohol, and then compare the two in terms of overall societal damage done. Steve From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Jul 29 09:06:20 2007 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:06:20 +0200 Subject: unsubscribe BOC-L Message-ID: Hello, Can you unsibscribe me from BOC-L? Greetings Filip From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 29 09:18:40 2007 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:18:40 +0100 Subject: unsubscribe BOC-L In-Reply-To: <000801c7d1e1$420180b0$0202a8c0@filip> Message-ID: Hi Filip You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF BOC-L" command to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET. Steve On 7/29/07, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > Hello, > > Can you unsibscribe me from BOC-L? > > Greetings Filip > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Jul 29 10:12:24 2007 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:12:24 +0200 Subject: unsubscribe BOC-L Message-ID: Thanks Steve greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Freight" To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe BOC-L > Hi Filip > > You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF BOC-L" command > to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET. > > Steve > > > On 7/29/07, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Can you unsibscribe me from BOC-L? >> >> Greetings Filip >> > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 06:33:54 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:33:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:43:09 -0600 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > God forbid, we wouldn't want them actually stating the number of > marijuana users and non-users, and the number in each group that > developed schizophrenia! No, give us more of this "40% increase" crap! :-P I was talking to a mental health professional in the pub last night. Seems even folks in the biz think this one's laughable. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 06:35:52 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:35:52 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:05:09 +0100 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Hey, that article was pretty tame compared to the one I read earlier > today. At least the one you cited didn't include the word "skunk" or > the phrase "modern super strength varieties" I'm holding out for "instant Insanity Skunk", but I'm only going to smoke it at weekends. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 06:37:18 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:37:18 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:17:29 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > I'd love to a comprehensive study of the harmful effects of > alcohol I'm doing extensive research in this area. I expect to report after about another 50,000 beers... FoFP From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 08:09:08 2007 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:09:08 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ Just as a note of explanation for non-UK listers - the *only* reason that this article, and indeed this subject, is back in the press over here is because the UK government is reviewing the decriminalised status of cannabis, etc.. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Jul 30 08:14:31 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:14:31 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707301037.l6UAbILE011157@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 11:37:18AM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > > I'd love to a comprehensive study of the harmful effects of > > alcohol > > I'm doing extensive research in this area. I expect to report after > about another 50,000 beers... You know, when you clip that statement out of context it sounds sanctimonious instead of snarky, like it was intended. ;-) Bring Back Prohibition! Steve :) From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Jul 30 08:25:50 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:25:50 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <7e287e6d0707300509k6f7ac73apc8a02fa6ed3c211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can i just say that i stopped smoking aprox 10 years ago when the higher strength variants came out. Long gone are the likes of sqidgy black and Red seal, which were always my favourites... Now it seems that any block format is unsmokable due to its being mixed with tyres and other undesirables. Shame, but there you go, and because of that I've discovered a whole world of Ale ( beer) , and have been like Mike in deep experimentation mode for about 10 years now... Beer belly has come on well since then as well... Guess I'll just have to keep trying more Ale, as it seems to satisfy my needs. Iain Chris Allen wrote on 30/07/2007, 13:09: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > > Just as a note of explanation for non-UK listers - the *only* reason > that this article, and indeed this subject, is back in the press over > here is because the UK government is reviewing the decriminalised > status of cannabis, etc.. > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 30 09:10:39 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:10:39 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46ADD8CE.7050602@aol.com> Message-ID: You can't get the black stuff over here, the government is too involved in the heroin trade and hash isn't economical enough to import from Afghanistan, and all the other countries that produce that wonderful treat. I've never liked the smell, taste, or affects of alcohol. I simply can't afford to buy anything recreational, any donations accepted, (just sort of kidding), the price is too high if caught. Fly on, Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 30 09:12:10 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:12:10 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46ADD8CE.7050602@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ian, You can say anything you like, (ha, ha). Your friend, Kaduflyer From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Mon Jul 30 10:42:18 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:42:18 +0200 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <7e287e6d0707300509k6f7ac73apc8a02fa6ed3c211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:09:08 +0100, Chris Allen wrote > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > > Just as a note of explanation for non-UK listers - the *only* reason > that this article, and indeed this subject, is back in the press over > here is because the UK government is reviewing the decriminalised > status of cannabis, etc.. And it never ceases to amaze me that such shoddy articles are treated as gospels, even when umpteen articles have also appeared in which it is shown that the first article is rubbish. Gr, Arjan H From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 09:57:54 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:57:54 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *this is sort of like passing gas, but I couldn't sleep and I have to take out frustrations, so ........* *a Paul Stanley quote: "First I drink, then I smoke...."......* *me personally.......card carrying drunk (alcoholics need AA), but I CANNOT STAND drink without a couple hits after......therefore, my alcohol bill remains low.......* *also, have to hear Hawkwind or Motorhead while drinking...CANNOT STAND television/movie watching when drinking.......must have tunes......* *yes, I remember the 70's, the varieties, picking the cockroaches out of the African Black...god I'm glad I was a bad kid......* On 7/30/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > You can't get the black stuff over here, the government is too involved in > the heroin trade and hash isn't economical enough to import from > Afghanistan, and all the other countries that produce that wonderful > treat. > I've never liked the smell, taste, or affects of alcohol. I simply can't > afford to buy anything recreational, any donations accepted, (just sort of > kidding), the price is too high if caught. > > Fly on, > > Kaduflyer > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 10:13:25 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:13:25 -0500 Subject: reefer badness-sadness-gladness Message-ID: *I'm not smart enough to discuss the mechanism of political garbage machinery, so I just feel like sharing* *I have no television* *haven't had it in years* *the only news of the world I get is the occasional glance at the Google headlines on this computer* *I see things like "minibus explodes, kills 6", and I just can't focus on it * *I sometimes wonder if I'm in danger or will be and not know it* *I'm just not a member of the human race any more, keyword "race"...and to what?* ** From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 30 10:36:55 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:36:55 +0100 Subject: reefer badness-sadness-gladness In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707300713g54b50018uc6f635f6f365301e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30/07/2007 15:13, mike coleman wrote: > *I sometimes wonder if I'm in danger or will be and not know it* I think I've heard that called "life" .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 10:38:15 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:38:15 -0500 Subject: ICU/JT/NT content Message-ID: *well, see how god works* *mike makes friend in Norway* *Punkadelic comes out on cd* *friend is psychic, gets me a copy* *now that I have Punkadelic but yet don't have Punkadelic, I'm pissed off that I don't have Prseident's Tapes, or theTurkeyneck album that featured Colin F, didn't it???* *unless I missed a CD press of Presidents, could somebody with pull get right on that????* *Did Steve ever get located???* *whatever happens, I MUST HAVE MY ESPANA/THE WRECKER included as bonus tracks on something, or I'm taking out the world, I've just about had all the entertainment I can stomach, and I've discovered that I'm alone after all...figures* *anyhee, I tried to tell Trev how great those 2 tracks are, but he got jealous* *a kinda cool thing about JT.....he doesn't LISTEN to music* *pretty amazing* *peace* *mc* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 10:47:18 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:47:18 -0500 Subject: reefer badness-sadness-gladness In-Reply-To: <46ADF787.6010703@carlaz.com> Message-ID: *L-lost* *I-in* *F-fucking* *E-eternity* On 7/30/07, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 30/07/2007 15:13, mike coleman wrote: > > *I sometimes wonder if I'm in danger or will be and not know it* > > I think I've heard that called "life" .... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 10:57:55 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:57:55 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Chris Allen's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:09:08 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Allen writes: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > Just as a note of explanation for non-UK listers - the *only* reason > that this article, and indeed this subject, is back in the press over > here is because the UK government is reviewing the decriminalised > status of cannabis, etc.. Just as a note of correction, cannabis has not been decriminalised in the UK. It was recently moved from the Class B schedule to Class C, the lowest grade attracting the lowest penalties. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 11:05:49 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:05:49 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 11:37:18AM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > > > I'd love to a comprehensive study of the harmful effects of > > > alcohol > > > > I'm doing extensive research in this area. I expect to report after > > about another 50,000 beers... > > You know, when you clip that statement out of context it > sounds sanctimonious instead of snarky, like it was > intended. ;-) Lucy has a great story about yanks and drink. She was at a medical conference when a yank doctor started to present a paper on the links between heavy drinking and cancer. As usual she started by laying out the protocols of her research. In the definitions she noted that they'd classed as a "Heavy drinker" anyone who'd had the equivalent of 4 pints of beer or more in the last month. The audience collapsed in laughter to such a extent that the woman had to stop lecturing. Most drinkers in Scotland would have four or more pints of beer or equivalent with dinner. I think many yanks think that Prohibition is still happening. FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Jul 30 11:47:05 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: reefer badness-sadness-gladness In-Reply-To: <46ADF787.6010703@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 03:36:55PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 30/07/2007 15:13, mike coleman wrote: > >*I sometimes wonder if I'm in danger or will be and not know it* > > I think I've heard that called "life" .... ;) "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." (I've heard that attributed to John Lennon, no idea if that's correct.) Steve From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 11:54:28 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:54:28 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707301457.l6UEvtVs013689@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 7/30/07, M Holmes Message-ID: >I've discovered a whole world of Ale Works for me, and it's cheaper ;-) JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Iain Ferguson Sent: 30 July 2007 13:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Reefer Madness? Can i just say that i stopped smoking aprox 10 years ago when the higher strength variants came out. Long gone are the likes of sqidgy black and Red seal, which were always my favourites... Now it seems that any block format is unsmokable due to its being mixed with tyres and other undesirables. Shame, but there you go, and because of that I've discovered a whole world of Ale ( beer) , and have been like Mike in deep experimentation mode for about 10 years now... Beer belly has come on well since then as well... Guess I'll just have to keep trying more Ale, as it seems to satisfy my needs. Iain Chris Allen wrote on 30/07/2007, 13:09: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/ > > Just as a note of explanation for non-UK listers - the *only* reason > that this article, and indeed this subject, is back in the press over > here is because the UK government is reviewing the decriminalised > status of cannabis, etc.. > From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Jul 30 12:35:47 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:35:47 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707301505.l6UF5nmS016148@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 04:05:49PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > Lucy has a great story about yanks and drink. She was at a medical > conference when a yank doctor started to present a paper on the links > between heavy drinking and cancer. As usual she started by laying out > the protocols of her research. In the definitions she noted that they'd > classed as a "Heavy drinker" anyone who'd had the equivalent of 4 pints > of beer or more in the last month. The audience collapsed in laughter to > such a extent that the woman had to stop lecturing. Most drinkers in > Scotland would have four or more pints of beer or equivalent with dinner. > > I think many yanks think that Prohibition is still happening. Yeah a lot of Brits I've known don't view having a couple of pints with lunch as "drinking" at all. "Drinking" seems to start somewhere around the 3-4 pint mark, which they often stopped for on the way home work. I used to go out to the pub every couple of weeks with some friends, one of whom was from London. *He* used to view 3 or 4 pints as warmup for an evening of drinking... ;-) Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 13:06:39 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:06:39 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > *Mike, the USA has gone TOTALLY insane* > *there is no longer ANY place for me here* > *people are almost demanding that I leave for Britain* > *is there any love there Well, the lefties here hate the US and all it stands for. Still, if you declare your undying hatred for George Bush and the neoconservatives the very second you hit dirt here, you'll be welcomed as a repentant sinner. You will have to learn to drink more of course if you're to be assimilated into British culture. Personal trainers are fairly easy to find. > or is the same virus spreading???* There's two sorts of cannabis in the UK. There's middle-class cannabis which is partaken of by the middle-classes and cabinet ministers and theeir offspring. It's largely taken after dinner parties by older folks and at home 9or in a club) after the pub, or at gigs and festival by the younger folks. By and large these people listen to music and consume more pizza than is good for them. This sort of cannabis does not attract a jail sentence. The other sort is imbibed by the working and unworking classes. It is primarily taken before the pub, and indeed often before breakfasta and before and after every meal. It is consumed in run down parks and on waste ground in housing estates. By and large these people steal other people's stuff and have a hearty old time stabbing each other to death. This sort of cannabis does attract a jail sentence. > *your "package of love" IS IN THE POST AND ON IT'S WAY!!!! * Excellent. Thanks dood! > *I have what may be a retardo question.....how easy or common is it for me > to copy a movie "you're gonna miss me" into a format playable on PAL???? > jeez we have this crap with DVDs too???* Fairly easy in something like Nero or Moviemaker. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 30 13:12:12 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:12:12 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:35:47 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Yeah a lot of Brits I've known don't view having a couple of > pints with lunch as "drinking" at all. For office workers that's frowned upon these days. Back when I started my career though, we'd regularly have 3 or 4 pints and a couple of sandwiches in the pub while watching the lunchtime news. Nobody would bat an eyelid. > "Drinking" seems to > start somewhere around the 3-4 pint mark, which they often > stopped for on the way home work. I used to go out to the > pub every couple of weeks with some friends, one of whom was > from London. *He* used to view 3 or 4 pints as warmup for > an evening of drinking... ;-) That's pretty normal really. Friday I had 3 in the pub while I read a few bits'n'pieces to finish off the week, had my dinner, and headed out to have 6 more. I was up bright'n'early for an airshow the next morning. It's all just a matter of not drinking to excess... FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 14:10:25 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:10:25 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707301706.l6UH6dbs028563@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: *the reason everyone stays firmly subscribed to the "beer or cannabis-list", and would be absolutely curtains to unsubscribe, let loose with:* On 7/30/07, M Holmes wrote: ^^^Well, the lefties here hate the US and all it stands for. Still, if you ^^^declare your undying hatred for George Bush and the neoconservatives the ^^^very second you hit dirt here, you'll be welcomed as a repentant sinner. *I would think the fact that I'll be living in Brighton at Judge Trev's would kinda say it all........* ^^^You will have to learn to drink more of course if you're to be ^^^assimilated into British culture. Personal trainers are fairly easy to ^^^find. *now that _IS_ good humour.....now you're making me wish the BBC _HAD_ released my interview in the Beehive regarding the very CDR I just sent you.......I guess you were lucky that night......I was planning on YOU being my drinking partner, despite the commute, etc.....I'll get tired of being in Trev's trashed residence and need to get out.....* ^^^Excellent. Thanks dood! *that one was simply "interest", now we have to discuss business when our schedules alot us any free time-* *this "save the earth" crap has turned full time, and I'm not happy* *BTW, the CDR does have the intro AND the outro, and I can't recall if the "official" BBC included both, but to me it didn 't matter anyway, what with the way the music got sabotaged or WHATEVER the hell happened.......which leads to "Coleman Chaos" "hour":* *out of the fans here, did anyone bother to buy the Japanese CD of the BBC, and if so, were you smart enough to realise that it in fact WAS NOT just an exact UK copy with a shitty OBI-strip added, but in fact something at least a little different, as the paint job on the disc itself was another shade ...........did anybody play it??? I never did.........* ** Jim Neighbors From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Jul 30 14:25:07 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:25:07 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707301706.l6UH6dbs028563@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Well, the lefties here hate the US and all it stands for. Still, if you > declare your undying hatred for George Bush and the neoconservatives the > very second you hit dirt here, you'll be welcomed as a repentant sinner. > What about us folks who have consistently hated that dirty stupid vicious SOB since the beginning of his campaign in 2000? We have nothing to repent, and what's wrong with being a sinner anyway? :-) Although, I do sometimes wish I hadn't voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 . . . :-( Guido From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 30 15:39:39 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:39 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AE2D03.9010608@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: It's not my fault, I was born here, and don't have the money to get out. I don't feel like I have to repent anything, because the government doesn't and never has represented me. I'll continue to wave my freak flag high, Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Mon Jul 30 15:43:38 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:43:38 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707301110w59231d7dgf4ac9c3b9855b705@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I told you I'd send these lyrics. Love, Mary Lyrics from Roger Neville-Neil: THE WAR I SURVIVED?? Death comes like a glacier from the peaks of all wars? Reason and logic, the generals cry "MORE!"? Bodies in gullies, contortionist poses? Fogged by the scent of mustard gas and roses? ? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? ? As buildings belched bombs to the haloed moon? Entrust its landscape to the barren gloom? A bulletproof bible can protect your heart? Who'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart? ? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? ? Mischief rides high upon the martyrs back? Providing credence for unprovoked attacks? Yet in their use let the shadows have spawn? Armies from circles, sparks from the dawn? ? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? Take me back to the war I survived? Gather them all into slaughterhouse five? ? And so it goes, no one is left alive? Take me back to the war I survived? They were people like you and I? Take me back to the war I survived? ? ----------- From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Jul 30 16:09:13 2007 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:09:13 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AE2D03.9010608@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Yep, I still remember that lovely winter morning.. about 7:00 a.m. being awoken by NPR news.. and the news reporter sadly saying~ "Oh no, Maybe I shouldn't have voted for Nader..." and we both looked at each other and said"awwwwwww shit... NOOOOO!'''' remember that? ughhhhhh....:o( Guido N. Vacano wrote: > M Holmes wrote: > >> Well, the lefties here hate the US and all it stands for. Still, if you >> declare your undying hatred for George Bush and the neoconservatives the >> very second you hit dirt here, you'll be welcomed as a repentant sinner. >> >> > What about us folks who have consistently hated that dirty stupid > vicious SOB since the beginning of his campaign in 2000? We have nothing > to repent, and what's wrong with being a sinner anyway? :-) > > Although, I do sometimes wish I hadn't voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 . . > . :-( > > Guido > > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 20:01:40 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:01:40 -0500 Subject: FoFP, BBC, Space Ritual pressing IQ test Message-ID: *and little did the BBC know, the BBC 72 LP was just common Wisconsin cheese, compared to what the _other_ Michael present that night had stashed.....(they needed to have that camera in YOUR pug)* *I've had 3.....* *my god I pretty much could always outdrink anyone, but that night the combo of being in the assembledge of so many immortal minds and with the most awful newly aquired haircut, I just "went at it"* *I was soooooooooo drunk and then all of a sudden I'm on camera being interviewed about the LP, and I think when the conversation (if there was one) got further on, and I revealed actually owning 2 copies, I Iost them......* *speaking of Wisconsin, a Hawkfriend from there whom I miss greatly, once got offered a mint one for $70.00, and didn't realize the bubu (sp?)(Wilf is this your fault??) he made.....* *of course I blew in like a hurricane, but alas, twas too late* *now, to hopefully make this a little fun, an Agent Of XChaos (the x just appeared and I'm leaving it) recently bragged to me about getting a test-press of Space Ritual with the sides out-of-order.......* *this leads me to believe he got something from my country that I always wanted but never got, and started to think never got released to public hands, however it does occur to me it could POSSIBLY be Greek, or I could be just wrong, but at any rate, shall we let him in on why the sides are out of order??* *and BTW melord, since I know you read posts, I got sent into a mad panic when I found one of your demo CD's in my Kid Rock jewel case......* *that sent me madly winging and digging for your demo jewel case, and WHEW, thank GOD I found Bob in there..........thank god I have your demo cd.......I know it means something HEAVY, but I haven't figured it out yet.......that mixup was not done by me.....musta been old Johnson......weird.....* *MC "Guilty"* *ps-Christian, are you alright???* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 30 21:04:00 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:04:00 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: right on sista soldja, right on......to the lyrics........and to your proclamation I had already got you off the hook since you're anything but "common breeding stock" my gmail had me missing a few, sneaky...... mc On 7/30/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > It's not my fault, I was born here, and don't have the money to get > out. I > don't feel like I have to repent anything, because the government doesn't > and never has represented me. > > I'll continue to wave my freak flag high, > > Kaduflyer > From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Jul 31 06:36:27 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36:27 +0200 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AE2D03.9010608@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:25:07 -0600, Guido N. Vacano wrote > M Holmes wrote: > > Well, the lefties here hate the US and all it stands for. Still, if you > > declare your undying hatred for George Bush and the neoconservatives the > > very second you hit dirt here, you'll be welcomed as a repentant sinner. > > > What about us folks who have consistently hated that dirty stupid > vicious SOB since the beginning of his campaign in 2000? We have nothing > to repent, and what's wrong with being a sinner anyway? :-) > > Although, I do sometimes wish I hadn't voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 > . . . :-( Well, there you go... One of the "funniest" things that happened shortly thereafter was that the US sent a bunch of observers to an African country to oversee the elections there. I bet quite a lot of voters must have thought "look closely, you lot, this is how you do it". Gr, Arjan H ObCD: Spirit - The Family That Plays Together. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 06:30:15 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:30:15 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Guido N. Vacano's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:25:07 -0600 Message-ID: Guido N. Vacano writes: > What about us folks who have consistently hated that dirty stupid > vicious SOB since the beginning of his campaign in 2000? We have nothing > to repent, and what's wrong with being a sinner anyway? :-) > Although, I do sometimes wish I hadn't voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 . . You weren't living in Florida were you? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 06:32:01 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:32:01 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:39 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > It's not my fault, I was born here, and don't have the money to get out. That's the trouble with yanks these days. None of the "can do" spirit. Look at all those Mexicans among you who swam the Rio. If it can be swum in one direction... > I > don't feel like I have to repent anything, because the government doesn't > and never has represented me. What? Not even when the CIA were distributing free acid? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 06:37:57 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36:27 +0200 Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos writes: > One of the "funniest" things that happened shortly thereafter was that > the US sent a bunch of observers to an African country to oversee the > elections there. I bet quite a lot of voters must have thought "look > closely, you lot, this is how you do it". I dunno. I think the US coes out with a lot of credit in fact. In many countries and at many points in history a hung election has been cause for civil war, coup d'etat, riots etc. The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until they got back with the result. That is exactly how it's all supposed to work and y'all should give yourselves a national pat on the back instead of beating yourselves up over it. FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 07:27:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:27:13 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311032.l6VAW1C2021442@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 7/31/07, M Holmes wrote: > > vzenv14m writes: > > > It's not my fault, I was born here, and don't have the money to get out. > > > That's the trouble with yanks these days. None of the "can do" spirit. > Look at all those Mexicans among you who swam the Rio. If it can be swum > in one direction... > *lmao....* > > I > > don't feel like I have to repent anything, because the government > doesn't > > and never has represented me. > > What? Not even when the CIA were distributing free acid? > > FoFP > *ROTFLMAO* *and I wanted to be Azazel so very very badly* *you're getting a paper set of horns after we figure what you're getting next.....you are so bad * From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Jul 31 08:22:42 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:22:42 +0200 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311037.l6VAbv7A024144@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > One of the "funniest" things that happened shortly thereafter was that > > the US sent a bunch of observers to an African country to oversee the > > elections there. I bet quite a lot of voters must have thought "look > > closely, you lot, this is how you do it". > > I dunno. I think the US coes out with a lot of credit in fact. In > many countries and at many points in history a hung election has > been cause for civil war, coup d'etat, riots etc. True enough, sadly. > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort > it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until > they got back with the result. When there are court battles over the result of the elections, *something* *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. > That is exactly how it's all supposed to work and y'all should give > yourselves a national pat on the back instead of beating yourselves > up over it. No, not at all. No court should determine the outcome of an election, that's the prerogative of the voters. There should be protocols on who is allowed to vote, who is allowed to be voted, how a voter should vote, and how to count the votes. You may have court battles over that _before_ the elections. Once that has been sorted out, you only have to follow the protocols. Gr, Arjan H From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 08:11:36 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:11:36 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos writes: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort > > it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until > > they got back with the result. > When there are court battles over the result of the elections, *something* > *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. I totally disagree. The election was extremely close. At one point if Al Gore had made another 600 votes he'd have shut down the counting and called off his appeal and it would have been over (the Bush team let their right of appeal run out on the clock as part of their tactics). The three levels of Court (state, federal, supreme) had serious issues of great substance to settle. At the most trivial were the rules of what constituted a legitimate vote. The Florida rules applied there, but were in some senses ambiguous, thus the hanging and pregnant chads debate. Then there were arguments about timing for the sundry appeals, verification, signing off the results etc. Essentially there were so many votes to count by hand that there was no way to get the hob done before the votes were legally due to be certified. That meant sampling and both camps had an interest in doing the sampling such that it would uphold their vote/skew things their way (choose one). Then the Florida state courts put Katharine Harris (sp?) in a bind. She had to legally certify the vote by a specific date or she would be breaking the law. The Gore tem couldn't let her do that because they were still behind in the vote. They got the State Court to back them and so Katharine Harris was ordered by a State court to break Federal Law. That had to go to the Federal courts. Something the Bush team wanted strategically anyway because they knew that the State courts were Democrat appointments and were famous for leftist activism. Added to that was a side argument about military votes whch had been excluded due to a fault in the military postmarking scheme. The Bush team tactically wanted them in "How can we exclude legal votes by soldiers serving abroad?" because they were more likely Republican votes and the Gore team wanted them out for the same reason. This did harm Gore public relations of course, and in fact the 600 or so votes thus acccepted did keep Bush in the lead at a point where Gore was within a couple of dozen votes of getting a lead and closing dowwn the process. Both the state and federal courts got their say-so on those. The federal court fights reslulted in decisions going both ways, though with a decisive edge to the bush team. Eventually it went to the Supreme court as a result of the timetable argument. Florida was getting close to being unable to fulfill its constitutional requirement to send electors to the Electoral College. That would have created a whole other mess. In the end though, the election was settled according to the rules laid down by law, with a bit of legal argument about what those laws actually meant. This is precisely how a constitutional republic is supposed to work. > No, not at all. No court should determine the outcome of an election No court did. The courts ruled on what were legally valid votes, which votes could be legally appeald and recounted and what the timings available for such action were. They ruled on those based on laws which were already on the books. Those rules, once interpreted by the courts, were applied to the votes and a valid recount taken. > that's > the prerogative of the voters. There should be protocols on who is allowed to > vote, who is allowed to be voted, how a voter should vote, and how to count > the votes. You may have court battles over that _before_ the elections. Once > that has been sorted out, you only have to follow the protocols. In a perfect world yes. In our imperfect one, there was some ambiguity in some of the rules, and some of the state rules turned out to contradict federal ones in minor, but in this elction, crucial ways. That mean court rulings were needed. FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Jul 31 08:19:19 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:19:19 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731121034.M34054@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 02:22:42PM +0200, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort > > it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until > > they got back with the result. > > When there are court battles over the result of the elections, *something* > *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. It's all that Chad guy's fault. Steve From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Jul 31 09:39:47 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:39:47 +0200 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311211.l6VCBaYe010680@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:11:36 +0100, M Holmes wrote > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort > > > it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until > > > they got back with the result. > > > When there are court battles over the result of the elections, *something* > > *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. > > I totally disagree. The election was extremely close. At one point > if Al Gore had made another 600 votes he'd have shut down the > counting and called off his appeal and it would have been over (the > Bush team let their right of appeal run out on the clock as part of > their tactics). > > The three levels of Court (state, federal, supreme) had serious > issues of great substance to settle. At the most trivial were the > rules of what constituted a legitimate vote. The Florida rules > applied there, but were in some senses ambiguous, thus the hanging > and pregnant chads debate. > > Then there were arguments about timing for the sundry appeals, > verification, signing off the results etc. Essentially there were so > many votes to count by hand that there was no way to get the hob > done before the votes were legally due to be certified. That meant > sampling and both camps had an interest in doing the sampling such > that it would uphold their vote/skew things their way (choose one). Well, up until a few years ago, all elections in the Netherlands were counted by hand. All results were in (barring recounts) within a few hours. recounts were usually in during the night. > Then the Florida state courts put Katharine Harris (sp?) in a bind. She > had to legally certify the vote by a specific date or she would be > breaking the law. The Gore tem couldn't let her do that because they > were still behind in the vote. They got the State Court to back them > and so Katharine Harris was ordered by a State court to break > Federal Law. That had to go to the Federal courts. Something the > Bush team wanted strategically anyway because they knew that the > State courts were Democrat appointments and were famous for leftist activism. > > Added to that was a side argument about military votes whch had been > excluded due to a fault in the military postmarking scheme. The Bush > team tactically wanted them in "How can we exclude legal votes by > soldiers serving abroad?" because they were more likely Republican votes > and the Gore team wanted them out for the same reason. This did harm > Gore public relations of course, and in fact the 600 or so votes thus > acccepted did keep Bush in the lead at a point where Gore was within > a couple of dozen votes of getting a lead and closing dowwn the process. > > Both the state and federal courts got their say-so on those. > > The federal court fights reslulted in decisions going both ways, though > with a decisive edge to the bush team. Eventually it went to the > Supreme court as a result of the timetable argument. Florida was > getting close to being unable to fulfill its constitutional requirement > to send electors to the Electoral College. That would have created a > whole other mess. > > In the end though, the election was settled according to the rules laid > down by law, with a bit of legal argument about what those laws actually > meant. This is precisely how a constitutional republic is supposed > to work. > > > No, not at all. No court should determine the outcome of an election > > No court did. The courts ruled on what were legally valid votes, > which votes could be legally appeald and recounted and what the timings > available for such action were. They ruled on those based on laws which > were already on the books. Those rules, once interpreted by the > courts, were applied to the votes and a valid recount taken. You've shown that the courts did decide the outcome of the elections after the votes were in. > > that's > > the prerogative of the voters. There should be protocols on who is allowed to > > vote, who is allowed to be voted, how a voter should vote, and how to count > > the votes. You may have court battles over that _before_ the elections. Once > > that has been sorted out, you only have to follow the protocols. > > In a perfect world yes. In our imperfect one, there was some > ambiguity in some of the rules, and some of the state rules turned > out to contradict federal ones in minor, but in this elction, > crucial ways. That mean court rulings were needed. The ambiguities should've been ironed out before the elections were held, including the timetable issues. If you have to go to court afterwards, it makes you look silly, especially if you have to ask the judge "Is this a legitimate vote?". Gr, Arjan H From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 08:51:58 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:51:58 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311211.l6VCBaYe010680@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: *goooood gawd ARJAN,,,,,,,how did you get so many words out of him* *while my ADD prevents me from understanding even the remotest bit about politics, the maker lets me see other things......like.......the dewds typos....Michael you've got a flask don't you???* On 7/31/07, M Holmes wrote: > > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote > > > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort > > > it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR > until > > > they got back with the result. > > > When there are court battles over the result of the elections, > *something* > > *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. > > I totally disagree. The election was extremely close. At one point if Al > Gore had made another 600 votes he'd have shut down the counting and > called off his appeal and it would have been over (the Bush team let > their right of appeal run out on the clock as part of their tactics). > > The three levels of Court (state, federal, supreme) had serious issues > of great substance to settle. At the most trivial were the rules of what > constituted a legitimate vote. The Florida rules applied there, but were > in some senses ambiguous, thus the hanging and pregnant chads debate. > > Then there were arguments about timing for the sundry appeals, > verification, > signing off the results etc. Essentially there were so many votes to > count by hand that there was no way to get the hob done before the votes > were legally due to be certified. That meant sampling and both camps had > an interest in doing the sampling such that it would uphold their > vote/skew things their way (choose one). > > Then the Florida state courts put Katharine Harris (sp?) in a bind. She > had to legally certify the vote by a specific date or she would be > breaking the law. The Gore tem couldn't let her do that because they > were still behind in the vote. They got the State Court to back them and > so Katharine Harris was ordered by a State court to break Federal Law. > That had to go to the Federal courts. Something the Bush team wanted > strategically anyway because they knew that the State courts were > Democrat appointments and were famous for leftist activism. > > Added to that was a side argument about military votes whch had been > excluded due to a fault in the military postmarking scheme. The Bush > team tactically wanted them in "How can we exclude legal votes by > soldiers serving abroad?" because they were more likely Republican votes > and the Gore team wanted them out for the same reason. This did harm > Gore public relations of course, and in fact the 600 or so votes thus > acccepted did keep Bush in the lead at a point where Gore was within a > couple of dozen votes of getting a lead and closing dowwn the process. > > Both the state and federal courts got their say-so on those. > > The federal court fights reslulted in decisions going both ways, though > with a decisive edge to the bush team. Eventually it went to the > Supreme court as a result of the timetable argument. Florida was > getting close to being unable to fulfill its constitutional requirement > to send electors to the Electoral College. That would have created a > whole other mess. > > In the end though, the election was settled according to the rules laid > down by law, with a bit of legal argument about what those laws actually > meant. This is precisely how a constitutional republic is supposed to > work. > > > No, not at all. No court should determine the outcome of an election > > No court did. The courts ruled on what were legally valid votes, which > votes could be legally appeald and recounted and what the timings > available for such action were. They ruled on those based on laws which > were already on the books. Those rules, once interpreted by the courts, > were applied to the votes and a valid recount taken. > > > that's > > the prerogative of the voters. There should be protocols on who is > allowed to > > vote, who is allowed to be voted, how a voter should vote, and how to > count > > the votes. You may have court battles over that _before_ the elections. > Once > > that has been sorted out, you only have to follow the protocols. > > In a perfect world yes. In our imperfect one, there was some ambiguity > in some of the rules, and some of the state rules turned out to > contradict federal ones in minor, but in this elction, crucial ways. > That mean court rulings were needed. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 09:20:17 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:20:17 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:39:47 +0200 Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos writes: > Well, up until a few years ago, all elections in the Netherlands were > counted by hand. All results were in (barring recounts) within a few > hours. recounts were usually in during the night. While there are more bicycles in the Netherlands than in the US there are fewer people. Besides, 99% of everyone is too stoned to vote, so how much counting can there be? > You've shown that the courts did decide the outcome of the elections > after the votes were in. Maybe I'm not up to beng unambiguous enough, but what I've been saying is that the courts decided which were legal votes and the legal votes decided the result. > > In a perfect world yes. In our imperfect one, there was some > > ambiguity in some of the rules, and some of the state rules turned > > out to contradict federal ones in minor, but in this elction, > > crucial ways. That mean court rulings were needed. > The ambiguities should've been ironed out before the elections were > held, including the timetable issues. If you have to go to court > afterwards, it makes you look silly, especially if you have to ask the > judge "Is this a legitimate vote?". I don't disagree on the principle. I simply recognise the reality that English can be ambiguous. In pretty much every law of any account, there are gonna be ambiguities if someone in just the right odd set of circumstances tries to look fr them. In this case some guys wrote a law when folks only put X's on paper and didn't have the foresight to take into account machine votes with hanging chads and crumblies being kept alive so long into their dotage that they could vote for Pat Buchanan by mistake. Here's a prediction though: some of those hunnerd years old laws aren't going to be up for email voting and digital signatures. Sooner or later y'all will be shoulder-deep in lawyers again. That's just how life works. Goven that the alternative is to be shoulder-deep in mud hiding from bullets, it's not really such a bad thing. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 31 09:39:49 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:39:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: JON JARRET BECOMES FAMOUS WITH ENDLESS FRIENDS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:00:33AM -0400, vzenv14m typed out: > I think John has become famous by getting his name on postings. > Congratulations, man, you've got your 15 minutes of fame. Actually, John was my father's name not mine, but he had his 15 minutes already. I'll try and pass these on to someone who needs them more :-) In fact, any Londoners reading, I saw this lot on Sunday and they were immense fun, I recommend that if you see their name on a pub's gig posters, you go in and see: http://www.myspace.com/girlsgirlsgirlsuk There's a minute or two for a start, yours, Jon P. S. And if you were into your all-girl noisy indie too, you might even want to go and see the band I was actually there to see, Punch Judy, if only because Trev fancies their drummer: http://www.punchjudy.co.uk and that's enough plugging from me. -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 09:40:24 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731102930.M22922@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: I've felt the need for outside observers with our election, but someone would either buy them off, and if that didn't work, they'd be vaporized. Paranoid, who me? Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 09:50:20 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:50:20 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311032.l6VAW1C2021442@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I wasn't old enough for the free acid, besides, with the dosing of people unwittingly in the subways I'm sure there were a lot of acid casualties, it was chemical rape, now, If they'd give me some now, 1000 micrograms will do, in my own set and setting, of course, I'd be happy. I can't leave the country now, even if I want to, till my man's free. Living on $700 per month, I don't think that will happen, even though I keep trying to tell a blind friend of mine we're rich compared to a lot of 3rd world people enslaved by our government to grow more poppies. Why do they grow so much, when they can make all the synthetic opiates they want? I've had the synthetics for these fothermucking migraines, but never pure opium, I've heard if you're into that kind of thing, there's nothing like it, I wouldn't know. If I were a grower, I'd stick to hydroponics food, for the body, and brain. Peace, Kaduflyer From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Jul 31 10:47:39 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:47:39 +0200 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311320.l6VDKHbr004539@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:20:17 +0100, M Holmes wrote OK, last round, I promise (and I'm not a politician). > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > > Well, up until a few years ago, all elections in the Netherlands were > > counted by hand. All results were in (barring recounts) within a few > > hours. recounts were usually in during the night. > > While there are more bicycles in the Netherlands than in the US > there are fewer people. Besides, 99% of everyone is too stoned to > vote, so how much counting can there be? Have you ever been _out_ of the coffeeshops? ;-) > > You've shown that the courts did decide the outcome of the elections > > after the votes were in. > > Maybe I'm not up to beng unambiguous enough, but what I've been > saying is that the courts decided which were legal votes and the > legal votes decided the result. One of the rulings was that there were no more recounts. That's pretty much deciding the outcome of an election by a court rule in my book. > > > In a perfect world yes. In our imperfect one, there was some > > > ambiguity in some of the rules, and some of the state rules turned > > > out to contradict federal ones in minor, but in this elction, > > > crucial ways. That mean court rulings were needed. > > > The ambiguities should've been ironed out before the elections were > > held, including the timetable issues. If you have to go to court > > afterwards, it makes you look silly, especially if you have to ask the > > judge "Is this a legitimate vote?". > > I don't disagree on the principle. I simply recognise the reality > that English can be ambiguous. In pretty much every law of any > account, there are gonna be ambiguities if someone in just the right > odd set of circumstances tries to look fr them. In this case some > guys wrote a law when folks only put X's on paper and didn't have > the foresight to take into account machine votes with hanging chads > and crumblies being kept alive so long into their dotage that they > could vote for Pat Buchanan by mistake. So it should not be legal to vote with these machines if there's no provisioning in the law. How hard can it be? > Here's a prediction though: some of those hunnerd years old laws aren't > going to be up for email voting and digital signatures. Sooner or later > y'all will be shoulder-deep in lawyers again. That's just how life > works. No, you just amend the laws to include these things. How hard can it be? If the law tells you you can vote with systems X, Y, and Z, then only systems X,Y, and Z should be used in any election. If you start voting with system B (for broken, of course), you're more than knee-deep in that brown bad-smelling stuff that has a habit of hitting the fan. > Goven that the alternative is to be shoulder-deep in mud hiding from > bullets, it's not really such a bad thing. Gunlaws can fix that, you know (did I just type that?) ;-) Gr, Arjan H From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Jul 31 09:52:42 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:52:42 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311030.l6VAUF2b020881@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Nope. :-) M Holmes wrote: > Guido N. Vacano writes: > > >> What about us folks who have consistently hated that dirty stupid >> vicious SOB since the beginning of his campaign in 2000? We have nothing >> to repent, and what's wrong with being a sinner anyway? :-) >> > > >> Although, I do sometimes wish I hadn't voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 . . >> > > You weren't living in Florida were you? > > FoFP > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 09:53:16 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:53:16 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731121034.M34054@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: I find it ironic we have a president who wasn't voted in by the popular vote. The electoral college is a miscarriage of justice. Kaduflyer From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Jul 31 09:55:34 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:55:34 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311037.l6VAbv7A024144@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It's a pity we tend to be complacent about our politics. Funny how you get a government that doesn't give a damn about you, if you don't give a damn about it. Guido M Holmes wrote: > Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > >> One of the "funniest" things that happened shortly thereafter was that >> the US sent a bunch of observers to an African country to oversee the >> elections there. I bet quite a lot of voters must have thought "look >> closely, you lot, this is how you do it". >> > > I dunno. I think the US coes out with a lot of credit in fact. In many > countries and at many points in history a hung election has been cause > for civil war, coup d'etat, riots etc. > > The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort it > out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until > they got back with the result. > > That is exactly how it's all supposed to work and y'all should give > yourselves a national pat on the back instead of beating yourselves up > over it. > > FoFP > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 09:57:08 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:57:08 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311211.l6VCBaYe010680@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: someone I believe it was Malcolm X), put our government into an interesting perspective, would you like to be eaten by the lion or the wolf?? I don't trust anyone with that much power. Kaduflyer From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Jul 31 09:57:10 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:57:10 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731121919.GA24558@plutonia.com> Message-ID: No, it is, of course, as always, Steve Swann's fault. :-) Guido Stephen Swann wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 02:22:42PM +0200, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:57 +0100, M Holmes wrote >> >>> The US put two armies of lawyers into three separate courts to sort >>> it out and pretty much everyone else switched back to CSI or NASCAR until >>> they got back with the result. >>> >> When there are court battles over the result of the elections, *something* >> *somewhere* is pretty fubarred. >> > > It's all that Chad guy's fault. > > Steve > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 10:09:22 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:09:22 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AF3EAA.6010202@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: It looks like I've created a monster with the start of this thread. On the topic of complacency, does anyone know what the message during Circle Square, Triangle Wave, at the end of Psi power is, I get something about "the cure for complacency, what happened?" I know there's more, but If I keep trying to figure out I won't have my long hair anymore. Messages, Messages,... Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 10:10:49 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:10:49 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AF3FB6.6050902@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: thanks for reminding me, Guido, I forgot, everything's Steve Swan's fault, and as the Firesign Theater say, everything you know is wrong. Kaduflyer From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:13:33 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:13:33 +0100 Subject: New Order - old ways Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6923972.stm From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Jul 31 10:14:38 2007 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:14:38 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? Message-ID: >>> maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET 7/31/2007 9:40 AM >>> I've felt the need for outside observers with our election, but someone would either buy them off, and if that didn't work, they'd be vaporized. Paranoid, who me? Former Prez Jimmy Carter, who in retirement is part of a group that monitors elections in other countries, said that his group would not have ratifed the 2000 US Presidential election. Natch, he could have had an axe to grind... tj From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:22:40 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:22:40 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:47:39 +0200 Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos writes: > > Maybe I'm not up to beng unambiguous enough, but what I've been > > saying is that the courts decided which were legal votes and the > > legal votes decided the result. > One of the rulings was that there were no more recounts. That was because the time prescribed by law permitted for recounts ha already run out. > That's pretty much > deciding the outcome of an election by a court rule in my book. Nope, the countable legal votes decided the winner. I don't have a dog in this hunt. I preferred Bush to Gore on the night but in pretty much any way I can think of, the Bush administration has been a disaster for the US (with the biggest disaster as yet merely a squall). I'd almsot rather Buchanan had been elected. What is excellent news though was that everyone concerned attempted to abide by the legal process to get the issues settled. Both sides had great honour in that regard. > > I don't disagree on the principle. I simply recognise the reality > > that English can be ambiguous. In pretty much every law of any > > account, there are gonna be ambiguities if someone in just the right > > odd set of circumstances tries to look fr them. In this case some > > guys wrote a law when folks only put X's on paper and didn't have > > the foresight to take into account machine votes with hanging chads > > and crumblies being kept alive so long into their dotage that they > > could vote for Pat Buchanan by mistake. > So it should not be legal to vote with these machines if there's no > provisioning in the law. How hard can it be? Didn't some voters have to make 32 separate votes? If it were left to hand counts, we'd probably still be waiting on the results. Besides, it's a perfectly normal thing for the actual nuanced interpretation of laws to be decided as necessary in a courtroom. The legal system is far more set up for that than any ind of once-and-for-all scheme. > > Here's a prediction though: some of those hunnerd years old laws aren't > > going to be up for email voting and digital signatures. Sooner or later > > y'all will be shoulder-deep in lawyers again. That's just how life > > works. > No, you just amend the laws to include these things. OK, tell me how we'll vote in 3000 years and we'll get the laws set now. Will AI's be permitted to vote? How about smart chimps? How about sim avatars of dead people? What? You don't know? Neither did those guys. That's why the laws have to be interpreted for the new age of voting machines. > > Goven that the alternative is to be shoulder-deep in mud hiding from > > bullets, it's not really such a bad thing. > Gunlaws can fix that, you know (did I just type that?) Thing is, they've hot Dick Cheney and he's shown he can shoot lawyers... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:23:17 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:23:17 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > I find it ironic we have a president who wasn't voted in by the popular > vote. The electoral college is a miscarriage of justice. Those are the rules. Please see Arjan for details... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:24:53 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:24:53 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:55:34 -0600 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > It's a pity we tend to be complacent about our politics. Funny how you > get a government that doesn't give a damn about you, if you don't give a > damn about it. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. I don't think he meant anyone to be vigilant about who won NASCAR. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:27:18 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:27:18 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > someone I believe it was Malcolm X), put our government into an interesting > perspective, would you like to be eaten by the lion or the wolf?? I don't > trust anyone with that much power. Neither did the Founders of the US, who had a very great distust of authority. That's why there are sundry Constitutional limits on the powers of politicians and judges and, because you always need a backup plan, that's why US citizens have the right to bear arms. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 10:29:08 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:29:08 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:51:58 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > *goooood gawd ARJAN,,,,,,,how did you get so many words out of him* I'm on a helpdesk shift in the summer vac. It's as near dead as my brain. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 31 11:02:52 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:02:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Birkenshaw Festival 1972 DVD In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707110218x25aac52fk9009c452840ac55a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 04:18:44AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: > I wonder if a band could get away with playing nude yet, I'm desperate and > in need of LOADS of MONEY The Dwarves have been playing with one guitarist nude but for a mask for a long time now, and quite frankly when I saw them they were not half as good as they insisted on telling us they were, plus which, nude guy is ugly. At the far opposite end of the spectrum of course there's Rockbitch, but that's a bit more political... and also currently inactive. And probably not what you had in mind, yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 31 11:28:39 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:28:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Birkenshaw Festival 1972 DVD In-Reply-To: <20070731150252.GH28122@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 31/07/2007 16:02, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 04:18:44AM -0500, mike coleman typed out: >> I wonder if a band could get away with playing nude yet, I'm desperate and >> in need of LOADS of MONEY > > The Dwarves have been playing with one guitarist nude but for a > mask for a long time now, and quite frankly when I saw them they were > not half as good as they insisted on telling us they were, plus which, > nude guy is ugly. Jon Fishman, the drummer from (currently defunct) Phish, used to play naked occasionally. Not, ah, really a deciding reason to go to the gigs ;) but neither one to stay away since in any case he was usually hidden behind the drums :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 11:29:42 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I work with an international peace force, (I know, it sounds like an oxymoron), but a woman in the group wont the Nobel Peace Prize along with Carter. It's a great group of people trying to spread awareness of global injustice and teach strategies of nonviolent intervention in conflict, pessimists, no, we're just trying to make it more difficult for the war machine through acts like spreading awareness, sit ins, strikes, , and wage a campaign of peace instead We're also studying examples of nonviolence in the past century that have lead by example. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 11:30:56 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:30:56 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311423.l6VENHo6024768@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The rules need to be changed, I'm aware of them. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 11:32:19 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:32:19 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311427.l6VERID8026028@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: What happened to the system of checks and balances, I think it's overdrawn somewhere. Kaduflyer From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jul 31 11:33:56 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:33:56 +0100 Subject: NIK: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <535914.47625.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 02:46:58AM +0100, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list > years ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos > (which are very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime > (thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should > take me to the Judge on this.... The same demos as he has up for free download at: http://www.doremi.co.uk/mp3/ ? I'm not sure you *can* acquire those illegally. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 11:45:54 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:45:54 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Former Prez Jimmy Carter, who in retirement > is part of a group that monitors elections in > other countries, said that his group would not > have ratifed the 2000 US Presidential election. > Natch, he could have had an axe to grind... There were some serious problems, but not in Florida. The Bush team identified four states where it could have appealed based on evidence of extensive voting fraud. However the playbook (*) for recounted elections says that the tactics for the guy who's ahead are to minimise any recounting going on (hence no appeals from the Bush team) and to try to stay ahead while running out the clock. FoFP * Yes, there really is one. IIRC written by two lawyers who ran an even longer recount campaign in the courts over a Senatorial election. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 11:53:28 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:28 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:29:42 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > I work with an international peace force, (I know, it sounds like an > oxymoron), but a woman in the group wont the Nobel Peace Prize along with > Carter. It's a great group of people trying to spread awareness of global > injustice and teach strategies of nonviolent intervention in conflict, I was at a "world peace seminar" at Glasters (it was dry in there). One of the participants had been a close assistant of the Dalai Lama. The "facilitator" had an aim of trying to get us to see that we don't all understand the same thing by the term "world peace". He opined that we had to understand what we wanted before we could work out how to get there. There was a bit of a pause when I offered a more interesting question: "How are you going to keep it if you get it?" and my suggested answer of arm everyone and have them carry the guns. I'd say tha facilitator dude understood what I was getting at and one other guy's mind just balked when he began to grasp the point. The Dalai Lama woman agreed that there might be bad people who might want to destroy world peace but that there wouldn't be if only babies got enough hugs. At this point my brain rebelled: the cliches, they walk amongst us. On the plus side, beteen her and me, we pretty much had the possible range of views well covered. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 31 11:59:21 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:59:21 +0100 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: vzenv14m's message of Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: vzenv14m writes: > What happened to the system of checks and balances, The best political belly-laugh I've had in years came from there. Cheney ran up a flag as to how since he was the Veep, he wasn't subject to the C&B rules pertaining to Congress, and yet, as he was the casting vote in the Senate, he wasn't subject to the C&B laws for the administration either. Thus, somewhat conveniently, he could do as he damn well pleased (the "restoration of "administative powers" has been a strong theme in the Bush agenda and a lifelong quest of Dick Cheney). Taking Cheney at his word, one enterprising pol in Congress then punted a draft law that would remove all monies from either the Congressional or Administrative budgets from Cheney's office. Cue sound of screeching brakes and the hissing of a trial balloon coming back to Earth... FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Jul 31 12:30:22 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:30:22 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <46AF3F56.40807@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 07:55:34AM -0600, Guido Vacano wrote: > It's a pity we tend to be complacent about our politics. Funny how you > get a government that doesn't give a damn about you, if you don't give a > damn about it. I don't think it's that people don't give a damn about it... (1) many people very much give a damn about things, and apparently the majority don't agree with me about most things ;-) (2) people who have the most to lose are also the most easily gulled (3) a lot of rest feel helpless in the face of so much ignorance and deception, and despair of making a positive impact Steve From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Jul 31 12:36:35 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36:35 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311422.l6VEMett024624@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 03:22:40PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > OK, tell me how we'll vote in 3000 years and we'll get the laws set now. > Will AI's be permitted to vote? How about smart chimps? How about > sim avatars of dead people? What? You don't know? Neither did those > guys. That's why the laws have to be interpreted for the new age of > voting machines. You know, I'd all but forgotten about the CEO(?) of Diebold voting machines, who stated his commitment to "helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." That probably wasn't really as egregious as it sounded, but SHEESH. Steve From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Jul 31 12:44:44 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:44:44 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731163635.GB26932@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > You know, I'd all but forgotten about the CEO(?) of Diebold > voting machines, who stated his commitment to "helping Ohio > deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." > > That probably wasn't really as egregious as it sounded, but > SHEESH. > It wasn't? Not sure I agree Steve. I'm well past being astonished at the crap the neocons and their supporters will pull to inflict their weird view of the world on the rest of us. Guido From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 12:58:15 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:58:15 -0500 Subject: Jon Jarrett Message-ID: *Jon * *I was sitting here thinking and remembering my mother talking about cold spots and places of death or something* *the BOC list would have a serious loss and a cold spot if you were not on it* *right on down to your timewarp* *mc* *ps-in case anybody wondered how a politcal retard handles voting* *I don't* *I don't vote* *in the words of the Dodgem Dude or Moorcock's voice:* *"i don't care!! I DON'T CARE!!!!"* From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Jul 31 13:28:10 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:28:10 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <20070731163635.GB26932@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Quoting Stephen Swann : > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 03:22:40PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > OK, tell me how we'll vote in 3000 years and we'll get the laws set now. > > Will AI's be permitted to vote? How about smart chimps? How about > > sim avatars of dead people? What? You don't know? Neither did those > > guys. That's why the laws have to be interpreted for the new age of > > voting machines. > > You know, I'd all but forgotten about the CEO(?) of Diebold > voting machines, who stated his commitment to "helping Ohio > deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." > > That probably wasn't really as egregious as it sounded, but > SHEESH. Um, it probably was exactly as egregious as that: http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Diebold_CEO_resigns_after_reports_of_1212.html Do a search on Diebold and fraud. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Saturn comes back around to show you everything Lets you choose what you will not see and then Drags you down like a stone or lifts you up again Spits you out like a child, light and innocent." The Grudge - TOOL From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 15:01:49 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Birkenshaw Festival 1972 DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sorry me again, but I can't STAND IT when I've said wrong I *see* your point, you were telling us the whole vid exists, but isn't used **is it getting time for the smell of mustard gas and roses???? what I wonder: *is there any human mind(s) actually behind this madness, or is it really by chance, happenstance(sp?)* *are there people laughing all the way to the bank or is HW just really a victim of ignorant thinking, etc* *I _personally_ suspect the former* *surely at this late hour the world knows people want Hawkwind* *and BTW: god bless Blue Oyster Cult for being so cool regarding all the HW madness on a list they are on* On 7/11/07, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > > Hej > > Just saw that this is due to be released. I know a short bit of audio > exists and supposedly the whole HW set but it appears that they are not > on the DVD except for an interview with Nik Turner. Sad... > > > > Bikershaw Festival - Various. DVD, GBP15.50. > Rare archive film from numerous sources brings together the story of one > of the great North West Festivals of the 70's. In 1972, 40,000 people > turned up to one of only two multi day festivals with camping in North > West England. Collected here from multiple sources are over one and a > half hours of music, archive footage and stills from the festival. > Featured tracks: Donovan - Only The Blues, Incredible String Band - > Weather The Storm, Country Joe - Sweet Lorraine, Grateful Dead - Black > Throat In Wind, New Riders Of The Purple Sage - Watcha Gonna Do, Captain > Beefheart - Click Clack, Family - Part Of The Load, Kinks - You Really > Got Me, Captain Beyond - I Can't Feel Nothing Past One. Also features > interviews with Jerry Garcia, Nik Turner from Hawkwind, Brian Eastwood > (guitar builder) & Mick middles. Due In: 30/07/2007 > > scott > From mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK Tue Jul 31 15:18:44 2007 From: mark.von-bargen at O2.CO.UK (mark) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:18:44 +0100 Subject: NIK: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <20070731153356.GA12762@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: 31 July 2007 16:34 - jon wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 02:46:58AM +0100, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list > years ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos > (which are very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime > (thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should > take me to the Judge on this.... The same demos as he has up for free download at: http://www.doremi.co.uk/mp3/ ? I'm not sure you *can* acquire those illegally. Yours, Jon For the myspace users out - hello Mike Coleman - there are steve pond and maximum effect pages out there. http://www.myspace.com/stevepond http://www.myspace.com/themaximumeffect Mark No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 30/07/2007 17:02 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jul 31 15:34:54 2007 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:54 EDT Subject: Reefer Madness? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2007 12:46:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM writes: I'm well past being astonished at the crap the neocons and their supporters will pull to inflict their weird view of the world on the rest of us. Just thought I'd ask; who are these neocons and what exactly is their world view and who are their supporters? Are Bush and Cheney neocons, how bout Hillary and Obama? When did this movement start? Are they old "classical liberals' (Jonh Stuart Mill or Tony Blair) turning 'right' or old conservatives(Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon) turning 'left', or just a bunch of thieves, like every other politician. Anarchy is the way to go--ask Rizz..the way to go..the way to go...all very confusing. BTW Kennedy stole an election in spite of Diebold and I hear George Soras is trying to buy Halliburton, are they/were neocons? off to see Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush Bill ny ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Jul 31 15:42:48 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:42:48 -0600 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Start here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ And I don't think I implied anywhere that other politicians WEREN'T criminals. Good luck making anarchy work. As for Frank Marino, is he still as great a guitarist now that he's an old fart? :-) Guido Stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 7/31/2007 12:46:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM writes: > > I'm well past being astonished at the > crap the neocons and their supporters will pull to inflict their weird > view of the world on the rest of us. > > > > Just thought I'd ask; who are these neocons and what exactly is their world > view and who are their supporters? Are Bush and Cheney neocons, how bout > Hillary and Obama? When did this movement start? Are they old "classical > liberals' (Jonh Stuart Mill or Tony Blair) turning 'right' or old > conservatives(Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon) turning 'left', or just a bunch of thieves, like > every other politician. Anarchy is the way to go--ask Rizz..the way to go..the > way to go...all very confusing. > BTW Kennedy stole an election in spite of Diebold and I hear George Soras is > trying to buy Halliburton, are they/were neocons? > > off to see Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush > Bill ny > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 16:32:26 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:32:26 -0500 Subject: NIK: Steve Pond solo demos In-Reply-To: <-7374181946129987517@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: getting too weak and sick to even participate with list at moment-hullo maRK,,,,,,,,,YOU PEOPLE ARE EVERYTHING I HAVE AT MOMENT,,,IN REAL LIFE THERE IS NO-ONE LEFT I'LL COME OUT STRONGER.......I THINK.... LUV DOGROT ANIMAL BUT OF COURSE i AM KEEN, AND REALISE THE VAST DEPTH OF WEALTH I HAVE WITH YOU HERE SOMEBODY LET SCOTT HELLER KNOW i MISREAD HIS POST ABOUT A VID.....I AGREE...GIVE US OUR DAILY WIND...ALL OF IT On 7/31/07, mark wrote: > > 31 July 2007 16:34 - jon wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 02:46:58AM +0100, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > > um, I am wondering what old Steve Pond who used to be on this list > > years ago thinks of me illegally procuring a disc of his home demos > > (which are very cool baroque beatles ish psych pop) by way of crime > > (thepiratebay.org), well Mike C do you need a CDR? Maybe you should > > take me to the Judge on this.... > > The same demos as he has up for free download at: > http://www.doremi.co.uk/mp3/ > ? > > I'm not sure you *can* acquire those illegally. Yours, > Jon > > > For the myspace users out - hello Mike Coleman - there are steve pond and > maximum effect pages out there. > http://www.myspace.com/stevepond > > http://www.myspace.com/themaximumeffect > > Mark > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 30/07/2007 > 17:02 > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jul 31 16:39:28 2007 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:39:28 EDT Subject: Reefer Madness? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:44:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM writes: Message-ID: *as long as Frank doesn't break into the tears (but then that would indicate a true return)* his wife got him to sign my disc(s) some years ago with whatever that largely forgettable CD is........hope it's really back to Plastic Manland, buddy......If hawkwind came to Texas, I'd get to see a show.......I always liked the Power of RnR,,,,, On 7/31/07, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/31/2007 12:46:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM writes: > > I'm well past being astonished at the > crap the neocons and their supporters will pull to inflict their weird > view of the world on the rest of us. > > > > Just thought I'd ask; who are these neocons and what exactly is their > world > view and who are their supporters? Are Bush and Cheney neocons, how bout > Hillary and Obama? When did this movement start? Are they > old "classical > liberals' (Jonh Stuart Mill or Tony Blair) turning 'right' or old > conservatives(Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon) turning 'left', or just > a bunch of thieves, like > every other politician. Anarchy is the way to go--ask Rizz..the way to > go..the > way to go...all very confusing. > BTW Kennedy stole an election in spite of Diebold and I hear George > Soras is > trying to buy Halliburton, are they/were neocons? > > off to see Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush > Bill ny > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 18:58:42 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:58:42 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <200707311553.l6VFrSNU022377@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Greetings, friend, You're right, it's important to cover all views, and be realistic. It's so much easier to raise money for the war machine than peace. The glamorization of war and all that propaganda is frightening. So's the idea of women being baby maker for the next generation of war. I often wonder if there's a way we stupid humans can work our way out of this disaster, and do we deserve another chance to go off and kill another world. My little brain isn't meant to resolve all these issues, we decided not to have children, for a few reasons, and I have no regrets. I believe things are coming to a head, and either we'll find ways of working together, or we're on the brink of disaster. I certainly hope not the latter. Well, I have to feed the cat, a total innocent, in the big picture Stay happy, healthy, centered, and free, Kaduflyer From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 19:10:41 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:10:41 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *well I got the chicken in the oven so I guess I'll be ok.......anyway, I am convinced I am among brilliant minds here* *some may have gathered that tobacco madness is my hobby these days, and the politics of "sin taxation" here in the Hates is so so so so so so so so so so twisted and evil and undefined and in need of killing* *can I just get a few of you in on this ?* *mc* From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 19:26:14 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:26:14 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ** @@@@On 7/31/07, vzenv14m wro @@@@Well, I have to feed the cat, a total innocent, in the big pictu Mary, why oh why do you keep this up....you know "cat" is a trigger word to me it is a killing machine and nothing more, just like we are......... If damned cats and video games didn't remove human company from my life this post may not exist I have this feeling that if I were with Bill Stuart right now, we would be having an absolute blast, Frank Marino would be running off the stage for his dear life........must visit with Bill again before I die I'm for the Anarchy let's tear shit up...it's what we're here for face it hate it HATE IT From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 20:06:43 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:06:43 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707311626w1bb07156tcbe42208299fe45b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: in fact you have imprisoned the poor thing from living the life God intended for it and have selfishly brainwashed it into silly compliance......just like humans will show affection for human captors oft times..... Dogs on the other hand can work with man on the hunt.........it's nature, .......it's time for the cat people to just admit to laziness (I'm one! got none!) and realize comparing a Cat to a Dog _in reality_ is like telling people your unicycle is better than the neighbors car...... you think that's enough BS to stir her???? she has to be punished for making me go through (nevermind) on my own yesterday On 7/31/07, mike coleman wrote: > > ** > @@@@On 7/31/07, vzenv14m wro > @@@@Well, I have to feed the cat, a total innocent, in the big pictu > > Mary, why oh why do you keep this up....you know "cat" is a trigger word > to me > it is a killing machine and nothing more, just like we are......... > If damned cats and video games didn't remove human company from my life > this post may not exist > I have this feeling that if I were with Bill Stuart right now, we would be > having an absolute blast, Frank Marino would be running off the stage for > his dear life........must visit with Bill again before I die > I'm for the Anarchy > let's tear shit up...it's what we're here for > face it > hate it > HATE IT > > From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 21:43:12 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:43:12 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707311626w1bb07156tcbe42208299fe45b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike Coleman writes, let's tear shit up...it's what we're here for." Kosh agrees with you on that count. He won't cop to it, but he's a love machine too. Kaduflyer From maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET Tue Jul 31 21:46:01 2007 From: maryann.sullivan1 at VERIZON.NET (vzenv14m) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:46:01 -0400 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: <17d80c610707311706t64708f7an87d61c9bf82d0cbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If I could come back as 1 of my cats in the next life I'd have it made. They're just so irresistible. My boy helps keep me from going totally crazy. Love, Mary and Kosh P.S. Kosh is embarrassed, and asked me to take this off-line. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Tue Jul 31 23:59:44 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:59:44 -0500 Subject: Reefer Madness? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: alright. I'm the embarrased.......we need a cat lover...please?? me-allowed moths to overrun my bedroom.....they were breeding like rabbits as apparently the amphetamines I used to do were good enough to cross over to them had to vacuum them up I get so depressed the way the list gets quiet at night despite the countries. embarrassed all my posts just embarrassed embarrassed m On 7/31/07, vzenv14m wrote: > > If I could come back as 1 of my cats in the next life I'd have it made. > They're just so irresistible. My boy helps keep me from going totally > crazy. > > Love, > > Mary and Kosh > > P.S. Kosh is embarrassed, and asked me to take this off-line. >