From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Apr 1 04:13:36 2007 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:13:36 +0100 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... Message-ID: > > From: Arin Komins > Date: 2007/04/01 Sun AM 12:07:43 BST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Paul Mather wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > : > :On 31 Mar 2007, at 4:34 PM, Si Halley wrote: > : > :> Subject: HW: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > :> > :> > :> > ...might like to know that it's now active on the www.uknova.com > :> > BitTorrent site (a great source for British TV programmes, BTW). > :> > :> Unfortunatly it won`t let you sign up :( > : > :Sorry about that. It seems they are a victim of their own success: I > :discovered from the forums that they have suspended signups until they can sort > :out their server load problems. (Doctor Who tonight won't help matters.:) > : > > For those of you who snatched it from the bittorent server already....feel > like uploading it to one of the free http file hosts for us? (mediafire, > megaupload, freefilehost.co.uk, gigasize, etc?) > Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Apr 1 11:17:29 2007 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:17:29 -0500 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: <20070401081336.MMIP29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... : :Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? depends on the individual site. They will all have AUPs somewhere up that can be checked :-) Nevertheless, just like bit torrent and the other p2p clients, many folks use them for such material.... Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sun Apr 1 18:56:27 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... Message-ID: Have any more bit torrents appeared? Or did someone tape it who can dub a copy? John Majka > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > : > :Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? > > depends on the individual site. They will all have AUPs somewhere up that > can be checked :-) > > Nevertheless, just like bit torrent and the other p2p clients, many folks > use them for such material.... > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Apr 2 06:35:29 2007 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:35:29 +0100 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... Message-ID: I have the file. It's 600MB so the upload options from a free account are limited. I'm on a business trip until later in the week, if no-one has posted the file by the time I get back, I will. > > Have any more bit torrents appeared? Or did someone tape it who can dub a > copy? > John Majka > > > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: > > > > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > > : > > :Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? > > > > depends on the individual site. They will all have AUPs somewhere up that > > can be checked :-) > > > > Nevertheless, just like bit torrent and the other p2p clients, many folks > > use them for such material.... > > > > Arin > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- - > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- - > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 2 06:46:44 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:46:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu (was: Spine Of God remaster) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 05:23:18PM -0400, Ted Jackson typed out: > Haven't heard the new one, but if it's anything like the one CD I have > [can't remember the name, but it's got a car on the cover] it's > decent stoner metal. Lyrics weren't anything to get excited > over, musicianship is competent. If you like Monster Magnet > Light, then it'll do just fine for ya... Theo, I gotta tell you: your description of the cover art doesn't really narrow it down much :-) I think there are, er, 9 Fu Manchu albums? and the ones that don't have cars on the cover have a van, a dune buggy, dirt bikes or *two* cars on. The only one I'm sure you *don't* have is the one with the skateboarder :-) And that's the best one IMO (_The Action is Go!_) so you should change that! Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 07:13:22 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the > Pops footage many many times. Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual era? > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short > programme afterwards. Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place of the recording. Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. > Nicely done! Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 07:15:31 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:15:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: IainFerguson@AOL.COM's message of Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:52:07 EDT Message-ID: IainFerguson at AOL.COM writes: > I think it was a shame that Nik's comments were allowed too much space, i'd > have liked more of huw, simon, lemmy, plus having del, dik, alan powell & > simon king actually speak. I thought it a shame that Tim didn't appear. It'd have been nice to see some mention of the Hawklords too. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 07:33:30 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:33:30 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind: They're still feeling mean In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:24:27 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > did anyone record this documentary in some way? > I'd love to see it, but there's no BBC4in Germany. Yup, I got it on hard disk. I'm transferring the first copy (for Arin) to DVD as we speak. Email me if you want one. I'm very busy the next couple of weeks but I can produce a stack and keep an address list for mailing them out when I get time... FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 2 07:36:22 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:36:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 01:51:56PM -0400, Mark Darkstar typed out: > I was just wondering if anybody besides myself was going to the Litmus, Omnia > Opera, Lloyd Langton Gig in Hitchin on the 31st of this month. I was there, and did see, and all that. Huw was looking fitter and happier than I can remember seeing him since 1997 or thereabouts, but was I thought a bit slapdash in his playing; lost of noise and fury but a mite more precision would probably have made for better music. He was mainly entertaining for his banter with the audience, and I've seen him better than this, but the way he looked and acted makes it look likely that I will again too, so that's cool. His setlist was: Cardboard City Tears of a Clown (this one really doesn't work if you aren't going to bother with the oompah-oompah rhythm, or indeed any rhythm at all) Wind of Change Rocky Paths Hurry on Sundown (with Marek and Martin from Litmus on unprepared drums and bass) I had the fear about Omnia Opera, because their website said they'd reformed without the original keyboardist and with an extra guitarist. Since the original keyboardist shared the vocals and wrote a good chunk of the material that seemed like an ill omen to me, and I confess that after listening again to their self-titled and hearing on headphones the way the keyboard patterns were woven into everything I could imagine no way a second guitar could take that place. I'm happy to say, though, that I was wrong about almost everything I've said in that paragraph. Firstly, they had a keyboardist, though not I think the original guy. Secondly, they had two women singing backing to make up for the missing vocals; they appeared to be mother and daughter, and danced when not singing, and I was happy with that. They also had a kind of miniature Arthur Brown type guy, not exactly dancing, but wandering around portentuously in costumes with props, a Dickensian vicar, a tumbler, and so on. He wasn't really contributing much but neither did he hinder. And lastly, the keyboardist was mainly doing swoosh and atmospherics, but the songs are perfectly strong without the keyboard parts (though they'd have been better with). So they took the stage, and hit the first riff I ever heard of theirs, and were off! and suddenly it was clear that it was going to be All Right. The bass-player is solid as anything, the vocals were good (though he avoided the high notes he made on the CDs), the guitarist not quite focussed but that worked for him in the breaks and he was close enough with the riffs. The drummer probably could have used more than one way to fill 4:4, but beyond that I've no complaints; I've seen bands come back from the dead in this genre in much much poorer state than this and playing far less complicated material. Their setlist was: Annihilation Floating Settee ? [this was more basic than the others and had a lot of stuff about telepathy and flying in it that made me wonder if it might be a cover of some early Gong I don't know] Space Bastard Their songs are not short, as you can probably tell... So that was good. Litmus were, I think, as good as I've ever seen them. Not to say perfect; Andy's keys were inaudible for the first number, making the break he's supposed to rule rather uninteresting, and there was at least one band fumble of the ball I spotted and maybe more, but the attack and pace were maintained even in the improvised bits where the throttle was eased for a few moments. Less messing about and more focus than I've seen them give for a while, and it paid off. Marek was on especially fine drumming form. Anton's electronics on the other hand rather less constant than usual, I thought, but both he and Andy were occasionally drowned out by the central trio's fury--Simon's guitar could *possibly* have used being quieter. I'm not sure he'd agree :-) Setlist was: Intro Infinity Drive Dreams of Space Sonic Light (Theta Wave) Inductor Astronomy Domine [this gets better every time, it was mindmelting] Under the Sign [they got so much out of this I thought the second ending actually spoiled it slightly, we were already sated by then] ? [I haven't yet caught this one's name, a slow almost-pastoral piece dominated by a two-chord organ line--a well-timed interlude of calm, shortly obliterated by...] Destroy the Mothership! The Tempest [At this point Huw was coaxed on stage to join them] Motorway City Moonglum Needle Gun [this one works better for Litmus than the other two] * The Right Stuff [brutal version, excellent] Club 85's a good venue too, both spacy and spacious, and though there seemed to be difficulties with gear setting up the sound was fine once Andy's keys were located. The crowd was quite thick, and I recognised hardly any of them; where have all these space-rockers been hiding? Perhaps proximity to London explains it. Anyway. It was bloody good fun and I hope for a next instalment of both bands again soon; they make a good combination. Yours all, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 07:38:52 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:38:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: eddie jobson's message of Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:34:09 +0000 Message-ID: eddie jobson writes: > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban Guerilla > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely that isn't > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine wasa > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't from 76 or 77. > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing from the > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? Nope, didn't see anything from that. FoFP From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 07:46:14 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 04:46:14 -0700 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021138.l32BcqCf012738@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The Urban Guerilla segment was from a promotional film that was made to support the release of the single, apparently. Ian M Holmes wrote: eddie jobson writes: > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban Guerilla > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely that isn't > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine wasa > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't from 76 or 77. > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing from the > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? Nope, didn't see anything from that. FoFP --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:02:10 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:02:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <50724.70996.qm@web26903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know the maker of the program, seems like he's a bit of a fan, based on the program, and his article in the paper. we could send him a few questions based on the footage to get more information on it, and confirm the dates etc and if there was more footage ??? going to re-watch it tonight, was rather smashed when I saw it the other night , hense the lush e-mail at 2am :-) Iain Ian Abrahams wrote on 02/04/2007, 12:46: > The Urban Guerilla segment was from a promotional film that was made > to support the release of the single, apparently. > > Ian > > M Holmes wrote: > eddie jobson writes: > > > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban > Guerilla > > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely > that isn't > > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine > wasa > > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? > > Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't > from 76 or 77. > > > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing > from the > > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? > > Nope, didn't see anything from that. > > FoFP > > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:17:08 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:17:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021113.l32BDMiS008897@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW songs on utube, I cant blame them. And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he could think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour of that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats all. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 > >Paul Mather writes: > > > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very > > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the > > Pops footage many many times. > >Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual era? > > > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. > > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, > > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they > > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short > > programme afterwards. > >Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >of the recording. > >Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. > > > Nicely done! > >Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 08:17:33 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:17:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <4610F0C2.7030602@aol.com> Message-ID: I know he was intending a book on the band at one point but it fell through at contract stage when the publishers discovered SAF and Omnibus both further advanced with contracts and writing, so yeah he is a fan of the band. Ian Iain Ferguson wrote: Does anyone know the maker of the program, seems like he's a bit of a fan, based on the program, and his article in the paper. we could send him a few questions based on the footage to get more information on it, and confirm the dates etc and if there was more footage ??? going to re-watch it tonight, was rather smashed when I saw it the other night , hense the lush e-mail at 2am :-) Iain Ian Abrahams wrote on 02/04/2007, 12:46: > The Urban Guerilla segment was from a promotional film that was made > to support the release of the single, apparently. > > Ian > > M Holmes wrote: > eddie jobson writes: > > > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban > Guerilla > > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely > that isn't > > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine > wasa > > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? > > Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't > from 76 or 77. > > > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing > from the > > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? > > Nope, didn't see anything from that. > > FoFP > > > --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 2 08:27:01 2007 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:27:01 -0500 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: <20070402103529.XXCS219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hey folks, I've uploaded the documentary for those who need the quick fix and for whom bittorrent isn't an option... It's been split into 2 parts, and they are a self-extracting rar file. Windows instructions: Just put the two files in the same directory, doubleclick the *.exe file, and you should be good. Unixy types should be able to use rar off the command line, and Mac types can use UnRarX, Rar Expander, or Rar for Mac. Part 1 (350 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FT1KHWYV Part 2 (250 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MTT5UHEP Password is "infinity". Keep in mind that megaupload has a bandwidth limit on it (per IP address). If you can download from a different IP do that for the second file. If not, just wait about 4 hours and try again, and it should now let you grab the second file. I'm also hoping to get a mirror for that second file up, but that may take me a bit. Thanks to Paul for the original file, and to Mike who is nabbing this for me on dvd. Thanks! Arin On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... : :I have the file. It's 600MB so the upload options from a free account are :limited. I'm on a business trip until later in the week, if no-one has posted :the file by the time I get back, I will. : : : :> :> Have any more bit torrents appeared? Or did someone tape it who can dub :a :> copy? :> John Majka :> :> :> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: :> > :> > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... :> > : :> > :Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? :> > :> > depends on the individual site. They will all have AUPs somewhere up :that :> > can be checked :-) :> > :> > Nevertheless, just like bit torrent and the other p2p clients, many folks :> > use them for such material.... :> > :> > Arin :> > -- :> > :----------------------------------------------------------------- :- :> > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu :> > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture :> > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 :> > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 :> > :----------------------------------------------------------------- :- :> : :----------------------------------------- :Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email :Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From steve.bishop at DB.COM Mon Apr 2 08:33:41 2007 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:33:41 +0100 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was some footage of the Hawkestra event on the programme too - what's the status of this please ? Seem to recall that Steve Swindells had the video recording or am I way off-beam on that ? Guess that's also all buried under the Nik / Dave fallout ............... ? Bish --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:43:20 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:43:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021115.l32BFVUo009327@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: They seemed the focus on the bands 'golden era' with about 3/4's of the programme being about the 70's and the rest about the other 27 years. Just to have had something on tv was nice though. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:15:31 +0100 > >IainFerguson at AOL.COM writes: > > > I think it was a shame that Nik's comments were allowed too much space, >i'd > > have liked more of huw, simon, lemmy, plus having del, dik, alan powell > & > > simon king actually speak. > >I thought it a shame that Tim didn't appear. It'd have been nice to see >some mention of the Hawklords too. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://msnuk.match.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:48:57 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:48:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021138.l32BcqCf012738@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Possibly he was signing Urban Guerilla and I don't think that was performed live very often in that period. I'll have to study the clip again, have definitely seen it before though. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:38:52 +0100 > >eddie jobson writes: > > > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban >Guerilla > > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely that >isn't > > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine >wasa > > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? > >Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't >from 76 or 77. > > > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing from >the > > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? > >Nope, didn't see anything from that. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.co.uk/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 2 08:49:23 2007 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:49:23 -0500 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... : :Hey folks, : :I've uploaded the documentary for those who need the quick fix and for :whom bittorrent isn't an option... : :It's been split into 2 parts, and they are a self-extracting rar file. : :Windows instructions: Just put the two files in the same directory, :doubleclick the *.exe file, and you should be good. : :Unixy types should be able to use rar off the command line, and Mac types :can use UnRarX, Rar Expander, or Rar for Mac. : :Part 1 (350 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FT1KHWYV :Part 2 (250 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MTT5UHEP : :Password is "infinity". : :Keep in mind that megaupload has a bandwidth limit on it (per IP address). :If you can download from a different IP do that for the second file. If :not, just wait about 4 hours and try again, and it should now let you grab :the second file. : :I'm also hoping to get a mirror for that second file up, but that may take :me a bit. Oh, and I forgot to mention that it's really an avi file :-) Part 2 is now mirrored here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/uevptt Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:51:06 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:51:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <50724.70996.qm@web26903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That told me then, must admit I thought it sounded like the recorded version and not live and like any two HW songs they are never the same. I guess on the back of the success of Silver Machine they got a bit of promotion for the follow up single, not that it did them any good in the end though really. >From: Ian Abrahams >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 04:46:14 -0700 > >The Urban Guerilla segment was from a promotional film that was made to >support the release of the single, apparently. > > Ian > >M Holmes wrote: > eddie jobson writes: > > > The footage they showed a couple of times of Calvert singing Urban >Guerilla > > in the hat on stage I have seen a couple of times before, surely that >isn't > > a different gig than the Dunstable '72 where the TOTP Silver Machine >wasa > > taken from as Urban Guerilla was 73 surely? > >Calvert wasn't at Dunstable 72. I wondered if that hat footage wasn't >from 76 or 77. > > > Spotted a small clip from the Isle of Wight Festival but nothing from >the > > Hawklords that Top Ten showed? > >Nope, didn't see anything from that. > >FoFP > > > >--------------------------------- >Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and >always stay connected to friends. _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://msnuk.match.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:58:28 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:58:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interesting comments! Can see where you are coming from though. In my opinion I never rated Nik very much but he was gone by the time I got into the band in 1977. I can see that he was a useful piece of the puzzle 70-75 but after that I think Dave and Co progressed and moved on but Turner never did. Strangely enough Lemmy still seems to have some respect for Nik. >From: pete howe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:17:08 +0000 > >i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his >croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW >songs on utube, I cant blame them. >And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to >Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan >every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he >could think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying >intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out >to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for >video.The only saviour of that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners >not a musician, hes not even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a >presence,yes..but thats all. > > > >>From: M Holmes >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >> >>Paul Mather writes: >> >> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >> > Pops footage many many times. >> >>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>era? >> >> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >> > programme afterwards. >> >>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>of the recording. >> >>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >> >> > Nicely done! >> >>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >> >>FoFP > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. >http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 08:59:51 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:59:51 +0000 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think Nik kept hold of it didn't he? >From: Steve Bishop >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:33:41 +0100 > >There was some footage of the Hawkestra event on the programme too - what's >the status of this please ? Seem to recall that Steve Swindells had the >video >recording or am I way off-beam on that ? Guess that's also all buried under >the Nik / Dave fallout ............... ? > >Bish >--- > >This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you >are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) >please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any >unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this >e-mail is strictly forbidden. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 2 09:22:22 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:22:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin (correction!) In-Reply-To: <20070402113622.GA586@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 12:36:22PM +0100, jjarrett typed out: > Huw was looking fitter and happier than I can remember seeing > him since 1997 or thereabouts, but was I thought a bit slapdash in his > playing; lost of noise and fury but a mite more precision would probably > have made for better music. He was mainly entertaining for his banter > with the audience, and I've seen him better than this, but the way he > looked and acted makes it look likely that I will again too, so that's > cool. His setlist was: > > Cardboard City > Tears of a Clown (this one really doesn't work if you aren't going to > bother with the oompah-oompah rhythm, or indeed any rhythm at all) That should be `Death of a Clown', as in the Kinks song. There must be too much blood in my caffeine-stream. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Apr 2 09:24:50 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:24:50 +0100 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Think Nik have the video, and sound was held by a 3rd party ???? Mind you it seems so long ago now..... wasn't there issues with sound being not great for the musicnaunts onstage, and del & Dik we'rent even plugged in ( or summit like that). Lemmy blasted the event as being badly played, and impossible to hear anything.. don't suppose we'll see the footage in the climate before & since the event..... silly buggers Steve Bishop wrote on 02/04/2007, 13:33: > There was some footage of the Hawkestra event on the programme too - > what's > the status of this please ? Seem to recall that Steve Swindells had > the video > recording or am I way off-beam on that ? Guess that's also all buried > under > the Nik / Dave fallout ............... ? > > Bish > --- > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If > you > are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) > please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any > unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this > e-mail is strictly forbidden. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 09:31:05 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:31:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: <20070402113622.GA586@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Assuming my usual role as filler-in of setlist gaps, the "slow almost-pastoral piece dominated by a two-chord organ line" was Planetfall, the title track of the new album. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 01:51:56PM -0400, Mark Darkstar typed out: > I was just wondering if anybody besides myself was going to the Litmus, Omnia > Opera, Lloyd Langton Gig in Hitchin on the 31st of this month. I was there, and did see, and all that. Huw was looking fitter and happier than I can remember seeing him since 1997 or thereabouts, but was I thought a bit slapdash in his playing; lost of noise and fury but a mite more precision would probably have made for better music. He was mainly entertaining for his banter with the audience, and I've seen him better than this, but the way he looked and acted makes it look likely that I will again too, so that's cool. His setlist was: Cardboard City Tears of a Clown (this one really doesn't work if you aren't going to bother with the oompah-oompah rhythm, or indeed any rhythm at all) Wind of Change Rocky Paths Hurry on Sundown (with Marek and Martin from Litmus on unprepared drums and bass) I had the fear about Omnia Opera, because their website said they'd reformed without the original keyboardist and with an extra guitarist. Since the original keyboardist shared the vocals and wrote a good chunk of the material that seemed like an ill omen to me, and I confess that after listening again to their self-titled and hearing on headphones the way the keyboard patterns were woven into everything I could imagine no way a second guitar could take that place. I'm happy to say, though, that I was wrong about almost everything I've said in that paragraph. Firstly, they had a keyboardist, though not I think the original guy. Secondly, they had two women singing backing to make up for the missing vocals; they appeared to be mother and daughter, and danced when not singing, and I was happy with that. They also had a kind of miniature Arthur Brown type guy, not exactly dancing, but wandering around portentuously in costumes with props, a Dickensian vicar, a tumbler, and so on. He wasn't really contributing much but neither did he hinder. And lastly, the keyboardist was mainly doing swoosh and atmospherics, but the songs are perfectly strong without the keyboard parts (though they'd have been better with). So they took the stage, and hit the first riff I ever heard of theirs, and were off! and suddenly it was clear that it was going to be All Right. The bass-player is solid as anything, the vocals were good (though he avoided the high notes he made on the CDs), the guitarist not quite focussed but that worked for him in the breaks and he was close enough with the riffs. The drummer probably could have used more than one way to fill 4:4, but beyond that I've no complaints; I've seen bands come back from the dead in this genre in much much poorer state than this and playing far less complicated material. Their setlist was: Annihilation Floating Settee ? [this was more basic than the others and had a lot of stuff about telepathy and flying in it that made me wonder if it might be a cover of some early Gong I don't know] Space Bastard Their songs are not short, as you can probably tell... So that was good. Litmus were, I think, as good as I've ever seen them. Not to say perfect; Andy's keys were inaudible for the first number, making the break he's supposed to rule rather uninteresting, and there was at least one band fumble of the ball I spotted and maybe more, but the attack and pace were maintained even in the improvised bits where the throttle was eased for a few moments. Less messing about and more focus than I've seen them give for a while, and it paid off. Marek was on especially fine drumming form. Anton's electronics on the other hand rather less constant than usual, I thought, but both he and Andy were occasionally drowned out by the central trio's fury--Simon's guitar could *possibly* have used being quieter. I'm not sure he'd agree :-) Setlist was: Intro Infinity Drive Dreams of Space Sonic Light (Theta Wave) Inductor Astronomy Domine [this gets better every time, it was mindmelting] Under the Sign [they got so much out of this I thought the second ending actually spoiled it slightly, we were already sated by then] ? [I haven't yet caught this one's name, a slow almost-pastoral piece dominated by a two-chord organ line--a well-timed interlude of calm, shortly obliterated by...] Destroy the Mothership! The Tempest [At this point Huw was coaxed on stage to join them] Motorway City Moonglum Needle Gun [this one works better for Litmus than the other two] * The Right Stuff [brutal version, excellent] Club 85's a good venue too, both spacy and spacious, and though there seemed to be difficulties with gear setting up the sound was fine once Andy's keys were located. The crowd was quite thick, and I recognised hardly any of them; where have all these space-rockers been hiding? Perhaps proximity to London explains it. Anyway. It was bloody good fun and I hope for a next instalment of both bands again soon; they make a good combination. Yours all, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 09:55:14 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:55:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: eddie jobson's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:58:28 +0000 Message-ID: eddie jobson writes: > Interesting comments! Can see where you are coming from though. In my > opinion I never rated Nik very much but he was gone by the time I got into > the band in 1977. Ditto. His sax was an intrinsic part of the anarchic sound in the Space Ritual period and Warrior wouldn't sound the same without him. However Quark and PXR5 would have been ruined by his sax. It's possible to imagine he'd have helped punk up the Hawklords though. When he did come back in 1982, I thought the tour was fantastic, what with the SF stage set and the screens and everything. He really made the song Social Alliance come over live. At Stonehenge in 1983 though on one set he played a different song to the others after some sort of argument on stage and came to a tussle with Huw. This was after he'd fucked up some songs overspeaking them with his "Uncle Sam's on heroin" and "Get off my Mummy" drivel. By 1984 he'd still make some songs better ("Born To Go" sticks out in my mind) but with his vestal virgins stage nonsense and all the rest of it, he was very much a liability to Hawkwind looking like a serious band rather than a kind of Spinal Tap comedy act. His next sacking was written all over it. In my view, the problem was that Hawkwind wanted to play music, and outside of jazz, Turner just isn't very musical. He can put on a pretty good rock circus show but his musical limits mean that it pretty much defaults to punk unless he can get a gig with a more accomplished band. That his Ex-Hawkwind ended up doing punk/ska versions of Hawwkind songs testifies to just how much dominance over a sound Turner can exert. Where I'd say Turner has real talent is in the business of getting shit organised and done. He has great energy and can seemingly persuade not only the hind legs off a donkey, but have them drive 300 miles on their own Dollar to tap dance in the interlude between bands. With the crap over Hawkestra, the gig sabotage with the name, and the legal shit though, it's easy to see how he tore the arse out of it as far as the patience of the band goes. It'd do everyone a great favour if Nik would finally let Hawkwind go and do whatever it is that he wants to do. > Strangely enough Lemmy still seems to have some respect for Nik. Having respect for someone is orthogonal to agreeing with what they do. FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 08:42:11 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:42:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Just let it rain down on poor old Nik eh?? :-) Well Turner is described just like that in the early 80s period which I was well chronicled a little bit as such in the book by Ian Abrahams..... And Alan Davey immediately moved right in to a right-hand position of Power at Brocks hand when he joined the band, i think that was EVIL too...... ...poor Nik! Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: pete howe To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:17:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW songs on utube, I cant blame them. And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he could think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour of that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats all. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 > >Paul Mather writes: > > > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very > > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the > > Pops footage many many times. > >Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual era? > > > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. > > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, > > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they > > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short > > programme afterwards. > >Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >of the recording. > >Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. > > > Nicely done! > >Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 09:12:11 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:12:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: probably cause they are both 50s rock n rollers....... c. ----- Original Message ---- From: eddie jobson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:58:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Interesting comments! Can see where you are coming from though. In my opinion I never rated Nik very much but he was gone by the time I got into the band in 1977. I can see that he was a useful piece of the puzzle 70-75 but after that I think Dave and Co progressed and moved on but Turner never did. Strangely enough Lemmy still seems to have some respect for Nik. >From: pete howe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:17:08 +0000 > >i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his >croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW >songs on utube, I cant blame them. >And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to >Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan >every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he >could think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying >intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out >to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for >video.The only saviour of that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners >not a musician, hes not even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a >presence,yes..but thats all. > > > >>From: M Holmes >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >> >>Paul Mather writes: >> >> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >> > Pops footage many many times. >> >>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>era? >> >> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >> > programme afterwards. >> >>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>of the recording. >> >>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >> >> > Nicely done! >> >>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >> >>FoFP > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. >http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 11:02:09 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:02:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Yes why bother with all these old farts (Space Ritual and Hawkwind), resting on their ageing laurels and no longer able to do the business any more. I agree entirely. Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i don't think anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are on their feet and bopping from the first song to the last. http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit Best Wishes, Judge Trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers REAL MUSIC CLUB is supported by the Brighton and Hove Arts Commission ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > Just let it rain down on poor old Nik eh?? :-) > > Well Turner is described just like that in the early 80s period which I > was well chronicled a little bit as such in the book by Ian Abrahams..... > > And Alan Davey immediately moved right in to a right-hand position of > Power at Brocks hand when he joined the band, i think that was EVIL > too...... > > ...poor Nik! > > Christian > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: pete howe > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:17:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his > croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW > songs on utube, I cant blame them. > And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to > Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan > every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he > could > think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying > intelligence.THAT > WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after > the > Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour > of > that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not > even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats > all. > > > >>From: M Holmes >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >> >>Paul Mather writes: >> >> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >> > Pops footage many many times. >> >>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>era? >> >> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >> > programme afterwards. >> >>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>of the recording. >> >>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >> >> > Nicely done! >> >>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >> >>FoFP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out > more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > From musicstreetjournal at MUSICSTREETJOURNAL.COM Mon Apr 2 11:13:32 2007 From: musicstreetjournal at MUSICSTREETJOURNAL.COM (Music Street Journal - Gary Hill) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:13:32 -0500 Subject: Several Things of Interest... Message-ID: Hi - this is Gary Hill from Music Street Journal and I wanted to let you guys know about a few things you should find interesting. First off, the new issue of MSJ (www.musicstreetjournal.com) includes a new interview with Jerry Richards (formerly of Hawkwind, currently in Earth Lab). It also includes a review of BOC show from late last month. Also, don't forget my book The Strange Sound of Cthulhu - Music Inspired by the Writings of H. P. Lovecraft includes quite a bit on Blue Oyster Cult. You can check it out at www.lulu.com/strangesound. Thanks for your time Gary Gary Hill Music Street Journal www.musicstreetjournal.com From webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO Mon Apr 2 11:25:26 2007 From: webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO (George Chaplin) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:25:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i don't think anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are on their feet and bopping from the first song to the last." Nik and ICU will be playing at Thornborough Music Festival in July (www.thornborough.org) in addition ex-Hawkwind Ron Tree has agreed to reform his band The Sewer Suckers for the festival, a number of their original tracks I believe have been claimed eroniously by Hawkwind. Expect other Hawks connections to come to the Thornborough Music festival. Thornborough Henges were Britain's largest Neolithic ritual site and are more than 12 times the size of Stonehenge, The wider ritual landscape is being quarried and Nik is firmly behind the campaign to stop Tarmac's destruction - www.timewatch.org George From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 11:42:29 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:42:29 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! Message-ID: Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. Anyone else going? Of course this wasn't without hassle. Everyone had to submit photos this year to support Eavis's perverse pogrom on ticket touts. Thus all Eavis really had to do was run a lottery which allocated tickets to one in three of those who registered their photographs. But no, this was too simple for the people who have previously had a substantial fraction of the nation waste multiple man-hours redialling critically overtaxed phone lines. So we had to get up early on a Sunday morning to travel to work to take advantage of fast comms and press Reload a thousand times each to get tickets. No doubt some pressed ten thousand times before giving up. A national RSI epidemic is now predicted... I do hope I meet the man. Perhaps he can be persuaded that ticket touts are simple people arbitraging a price mismatch in favour of those who want tickets and that if he really wants them out of the loop then the most sensible thing is for he himself to auction tickets on the web so that they are sold at the market-clearing price. As an added bonus, those hundreds of thouands of man-hours would be available for more productive use, and the charities favoured by the festival would probably have a multiple of the current money made available to them. In short: Glastonbury Fayre needs Laissez Faire. FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Apr 2 11:49:47 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:49:47 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704021542.l32FgTwx000240@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well done Mike, I just couldn't be bothered.... I only know one other person who got a ticket, and they got theirs 10mins for they all ran out.... he was to say the least rather excited and relived that his now impending RSI was not for nothing.... Iain M Holmes wrote on 02/04/2007, 16:42: > Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. > Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. Anyone else > going? > > Of course this wasn't without hassle. Everyone had to submit photos this > year to support Eavis's perverse pogrom on ticket touts. Thus all Eavis > really had to do was run a lottery which allocated tickets to one in > three of those who registered their photographs. > > But no, this was too simple for the people who have previously had a > substantial fraction of the nation waste multiple man-hours redialling > critically overtaxed phone lines. So we had to get up early on a Sunday > morning to travel to work to take advantage of fast comms and press > Reload a thousand times each to get tickets. No doubt some pressed ten > thousand times before giving up. A national RSI epidemic is now > predicted... > > I do hope I meet the man. Perhaps he can be persuaded that ticket touts > are simple people arbitraging a price mismatch in favour of those who > want tickets and that if he really wants them out of the loop then the > most sensible thing is for he himself to auction tickets on the web so > that they are sold at the market-clearing price. As an added bonus, > those hundreds of thouands of man-hours would be available for more > productive use, and the charities favoured by the festival would > probably have a multiple of the current money made available to them. > > In short: Glastonbury Fayre needs Laissez Faire. > From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 12:57:16 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:57:16 -0700 Subject: Documentary - AI Message-ID: What is this mystical AI I hear you ask .... "Audience Appreciation Index" - a measure of how well liked a programme was amongst the people who watched it. Hawkwind - Do Not Panic, AI figure was 82 which is a very respectable figure indeed (note, this is not a % figure, though it's compiled from an audience cross section marking out of ten and then grossed up - don't ask me what the difference is though). Have to say, I don't know how documentaries are supposed to score, and minority interest programmes (don't shot the messanger!) tend to score highly because of the concentrated audience. But generally 82 is a very good score as I understand it. Doctor Who on Saturday got 88 though! Ian --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. From drgoon at MAC.COM Mon Apr 2 12:49:53 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:49:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 2, 2007, at 8:17 AM, pete howe wrote: > i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner > and his croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful > versions of HW songs on utube, I cant blame them. > And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due > to Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music > mates groan every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every > hawkwind song lyric he could think of, with his limited spontaneous > wit and stupefying intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey > quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i > was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour of that video/ > gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not even > funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats > all. Wow. Get off the fence and let us know how you really feel. Clearly you're entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine, but its a bit excessive to try and claim that "Turners not a musician" (sic). I think that Nik brought a great deal to Hawkwind, and even wrote some great songs with them. Its too bad that the idiotic war between members past and present has to spill over into the fans. Gordon. From steve.bishop at DB.COM Mon Apr 2 13:12:02 2007 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:12:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <904E6448-4014-43FC-832B-D370E770AEA7@mac.com> Message-ID: He DID bring a great deal to Hawkwind, but it was a loooong time ago ! (ie in the 70's). Just watch the Night of the Hawks video again from 84 and see the cringeworthy Turner-incited 'dance' competition at the end - complete dross and very embarassing. I was in the audience for that and we hung our heads in shame ............... add in his sax jamming and then compare it to the tight excellence of todays Hawkwind line-up and I, for one, am mighty pleased he is no longer in the Hawkwind entourage ........ We all have our opinions and I don't think anyone can say that he wasn't a major part of the bands early days - but he became increasingly irrelevant over the years ............. Guess there'll be a few who shoot me down now for that !! Bish Gordon Hundley Sent by: To BOC/Hawkwind BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Discussion List cc Subject Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary 02/04/2007 17:49 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List On Apr 2, 2007, at 8:17 AM, pete howe wrote: > i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner > and his croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful > versions of HW songs on utube, I cant blame them. > And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due > to Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music > mates groan every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every > hawkwind song lyric he could think of, with his limited spontaneous > wit and stupefying intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey > quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i > was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour of that video/ > gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not even > funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats > all. Wow. Get off the fence and let us know how you really feel. Clearly you're entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine, but its a bit excessive to try and claim that "Turners not a musician" (sic). I think that Nik brought a great deal to Hawkwind, and even wrote some great songs with them. Its too bad that the idiotic war between members past and present has to spill over into the fans. Gordon. --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 13:30:16 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:30:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > I think that Nik brought a great deal to Hawkwind, and even wrote > some great songs with them. Its too bad that the idiotic war between > members past and present has to spill over into the fans. I take it as read that we can have differing opinions without it affecting the friendly respect we have for each other. When someone claims that someone else isn't a real fan and should be kicked off the list or disinvited to the pub, *that* would count as the acrimony spilling over into the fans. I remain convinced however that we're all grownup enough to see that such a thing never comes to pass. FoFP From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 13:26:06 2007 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:26:06 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704021542.l32FgTwx000240@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I've met Michael Eavis a few times (I grew up in Wookey Hole 6 miles from Glastonbury; he went to the same school as me though considerably earlier) and I've always found him a decent chap. Before Glastonbury was so big (and before regs were so strict!) he went out of his way to help local bands perform in his barn. Back in the early 80s I've seen him wander up and down the queue to catch touts. I don't feel as strongly about ticket touts as he does, but I applaud his stance. Yes touts only have a market because demand so strongly outstrips supply, but if he adopted the usual capitalist view and doubled ticket prices he would then be criticised for cashing in. Seems like a no win situation to me. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 02 April 2007 16:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: A Miracle! Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. Anyone else going? Of course this wasn't without hassle. Everyone had to submit photos this year to support Eavis's perverse pogrom on ticket touts. Thus all Eavis really had to do was run a lottery which allocated tickets to one in three of those who registered their photographs. But no, this was too simple for the people who have previously had a substantial fraction of the nation waste multiple man-hours redialling critically overtaxed phone lines. So we had to get up early on a Sunday morning to travel to work to take advantage of fast comms and press Reload a thousand times each to get tickets. No doubt some pressed ten thousand times before giving up. A national RSI epidemic is now predicted... I do hope I meet the man. Perhaps he can be persuaded that ticket touts are simple people arbitraging a price mismatch in favour of those who want tickets and that if he really wants them out of the loop then the most sensible thing is for he himself to auction tickets on the web so that they are sold at the market-clearing price. As an added bonus, those hundreds of thouands of man-hours would be available for more productive use, and the charities favoured by the festival would probably have a multiple of the current money made available to them. In short: Glastonbury Fayre needs Laissez Faire. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 2 14:16:32 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:16:32 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Hawkfan's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:26:06 +0100 Message-ID: Hawkfan writes: > I've met Michael Eavis a few times (I grew up in Wookey Hole 6 miles from > Glastonbury; he went to the same school as me though considerably earlier) > and I've always found him a decent chap. Before Glastonbury was so big (and > before regs were so strict!) he went out of his way to help local bands > perform in his barn. Back in the early 80s I've seen him wander up and down > the queue to catch touts. I don't feel as strongly about ticket touts as he > does, but I applaud his stance. > Yes touts only have a market because demand so strongly outstrips supply, > but if he adopted the usual capitalist view and doubled ticket prices he > would then be criticised for cashing in. Seems like a no win situation to > me. Eavis has always come across well on the TV interviews which I've seen. I have no idea as to his motivations for his campaign against touts. As far as being criticised for cashing in were he to charge market-clearing rates for tickets, I'd say this is where an Ebay style auction can help. In such an auction, people bid only what they're willing to pay, and thus they collectively, not Eavis, set the price. Since all failed bidders will have bid a lower price than that at which tickets are available (whether they're sold at differential prices as bid, or at the price of the last successful bid) there's no room for touts to arbitrage. Then all Eavis needs to make clear is that the excess cash raised will go to the charities, and everyone is happy. Or at least more people are happy than pertains in the current situation. FoFP From drgoon at MAC.COM Mon Apr 2 15:11:01 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:11:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Apr 2, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Steve Bishop wrote: > He DID bring a great deal to Hawkwind, but it was a loooong time > ago ! (ie in > the 70's). Just watch the Night of the Hawks video again from 84 > and see the > cringeworthy Turner-incited 'dance' competition at the end - > complete dross > and very embarassing. I was in the audience for that and we hung > our heads in > shame ............... add in his sax jamming and then compare it to > the tight > excellence of todays Hawkwind line-up and I, for one, am mighty > pleased he is > no longer in the Hawkwind entourage ........ I'm in the US these days, so no danger of me watching my PAL VHS tape of Night of the Hawks in a hurry. However, if memory serves me, Turner wasn't the only one sponsoring somewhat silly stuff back in the mid to late 80s. Some of the sword waving, fire breathing antics weren't exactly high art. I honestly don't have a problem with any of that though - I never really expected Hawkwind to be sober, serious and well presented. However, I'll agree that there was certainly a disconnect between Turner and Brock at that point that made the music pretty poor, and thats what I did care about. On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:02 AM, trev wrote: > Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i > don't think anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are > on their feet and bopping from the first song to the last. Maybe not instead - I'm looking forward to NEARfest. But I'd love to see ICU again. Any chance you good folks could schedule a gig in or around the Philadelphia area? How about August 16th... 30 years on from Elvis' death. ;) Gordon. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 15:17:20 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:17:20 -0700 Subject: Documentary Ratings Message-ID: Apologies again if you're getting this twice. Overnight Ratings for the first showing of the documentary seem to have averaged out at 200,000 viewers with a peak in the last 15 minutes at 250,000 I'm reliably told! Ian --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 16:28:54 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:28:54 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704021816.l32IGWPu025910@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: That would work unless the touts outbid the fans in the auction and then put the tickets up for sale at even more inflated prices. To argue that a losing bidder has lost because the auction passed their spending limit is not always true, as extensive research into E-Bay has shown. Your proposal would not remove the touts. M Holmes wrote: Hawkfan writes: > I've met Michael Eavis a few times (I grew up in Wookey Hole 6 miles from > Glastonbury; he went to the same school as me though considerably earlier) > and I've always found him a decent chap. Before Glastonbury was so big (and > before regs were so strict!) he went out of his way to help local bands > perform in his barn. Back in the early 80s I've seen him wander up and down > the queue to catch touts. I don't feel as strongly about ticket touts as he > does, but I applaud his stance. > Yes touts only have a market because demand so strongly outstrips supply, > but if he adopted the usual capitalist view and doubled ticket prices he > would then be criticised for cashing in. Seems like a no win situation to > me. Eavis has always come across well on the TV interviews which I've seen. I have no idea as to his motivations for his campaign against touts. As far as being criticised for cashing in were he to charge market-clearing rates for tickets, I'd say this is where an Ebay style auction can help. In such an auction, people bid only what they're willing to pay, and thus they collectively, not Eavis, set the price. Since all failed bidders will have bid a lower price than that at which tickets are available (whether they're sold at differential prices as bid, or at the price of the last successful bid) there's no room for touts to arbitrage. Then all Eavis needs to make clear is that the excess cash raised will go to the charities, and everyone is happy. Or at least more people are happy than pertains in the current situation. FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 16:33:43 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:33:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought that you and I had agreed that they were dangerous deviants and that we would not be going anywhere near the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the innocent. trev wrote: Yes why bother with all these old farts (Space Ritual and Hawkwind), resting on their ageing laurels and no longer able to do the business any more. I agree entirely. Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i don't think anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are on their feet and bopping from the first song to the last. http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit Best Wishes, Judge Trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers REAL MUSIC CLUB is supported by the Brighton and Hove Arts Commission ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > Just let it rain down on poor old Nik eh?? :-) > > Well Turner is described just like that in the early 80s period which I > was well chronicled a little bit as such in the book by Ian Abrahams..... > > And Alan Davey immediately moved right in to a right-hand position of > Power at Brocks hand when he joined the band, i think that was EVIL > too...... > > ...poor Nik! > > Christian > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: pete howe > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:17:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his > croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW > songs on utube, I cant blame them. > And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to > Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan > every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he > could > think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying > intelligence.THAT > WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after > the > Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour > of > that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not > even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats > all. > > > >>From: M Holmes >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >> >>Paul Mather writes: >> >> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >> > Pops footage many many times. >> >>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>era? >> >> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >> > programme afterwards. >> >>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>of the recording. >> >>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan and >>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >> >> > Nicely done! >> >>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >> >>FoFP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out > more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 2 18:31:24 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:31:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Well yes Colin, we had agreed that they were dangerous deviants and that we would not be going anywhere near the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the innocent. However, I believe that it's time to make a stand against these sub-human degenerates, so I WILL be going to the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus ATTEMPT to corrupt the minds of the innocent. I myself will use my own body to barricade the entrance to this den of iniquity, disregarding any hurt or wound, in order to prevent the misguided from entering the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the innocent. judge whitehouse AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >I thought that you and I had agreed that they were dangerous deviants and >that we would not be going anywhere near the Standard in Walthamstow (1 >Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus >corrupt the minds of the innocent. > > trev wrote: Yes why bother with all these old farts > (Space Ritual and Hawkwind), resting > on their ageing laurels and no longer able to do the business any more. I > agree entirely. > Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i don't > think > anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are on their feet and > bopping from the first song to the last. > > http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit > > Best Wishes, > > Judge Trev > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS > TO > MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS > EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN > RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > http://www.judgetrev.com > > tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, > Chat, Healers > REAL MUSIC CLUB is supported by the Brighton and Hove Arts Commission > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > >> Just let it rain down on poor old Nik eh?? :-) >> >> Well Turner is described just like that in the early 80s period which I >> was well chronicled a little bit as such in the book by Ian Abrahams..... >> >> And Alan Davey immediately moved right in to a right-hand position of >> Power at Brocks hand when he joined the band, i think that was EVIL >> too...... >> >> ...poor Nik! >> >> Christian >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: pete howe >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:17:08 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >> >> i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his >> croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW >> songs on utube, I cant blame them. >> And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to >> Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan >> every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he >> could >> think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying >> intelligence.THAT >> WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after >> the >> Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour >> of >> that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not >> even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats >> all. >> >> >> >>>From: M Holmes >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >>> >>>Paul Mather writes: >>> >>> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >>> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >>> > Pops footage many many times. >>> >>>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>>era? >>> >>> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >>> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >>> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >>> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >>> > programme afterwards. >>> >>>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>>of the recording. >>> >>>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan >>>and >>>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >>> >>> > Nicely done! >>> >>>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >>> >>>FoFP >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. >> http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out >> more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. >> http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk >> > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 2 17:18:08 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:18:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes >When someone claims that someone else isn't a real fan and should be kicked off the list or disinvited to the pub, *that* would count as the acrimony spilling over into the fans. I remain convinced however that we're all grownup enough to see that such a thing never comes to pass. Well I've been kicked off BOC-L at least 3 times, but then again I am not a real "grownup" anymore, just like... uh, Nik.... ;-) Though I get to go a pub once in awhile, and *look* like a grownup at the measly youthful age of 35....... can't take anywhere!!! Christian ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Apr 2 19:34:23 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:34:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 12:17:08PM +0000, pete howe wrote: > i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his > croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW > songs on utube, I cant blame them. > And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to > Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan > every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he > could think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying > intelligence.THAT WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out > to Dave, after the Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for > video.The only saviour of that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners > not a musician, hes not even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a > presence,yes..but thats all. You know, I see this Turner that you describe showing up on videos and such, but when my wife and I saw him some years ago touring in the States, he was downright gentlemanly - gracious, even. At the end, he bowed and thanked the audience for attending and all! It was the second time my wife had seen him, and she loved both shows that she's seen. Adn the guys backing him (on that tour at least) were anything but pub comedians... Steve From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Apr 2 19:49:07 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:49:07 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind: They're still feeling mean In-Reply-To: <200704021133.l32BXUPH012084@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'd like a copy of the DVD. I can send you some money for the postage. Gary M Holmes wrote: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > did anyone record this documentary in some way? > I'd love to see it, but there's no BBC4in Germany. Yup, I got it on hard disk. I'm transferring the first copy (for Arin) to DVD as we speak. Email me if you want one. I'm very busy the next couple of weeks but I can produce a stack and keep an address list for mailing them out when I get time... FoFP --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Mon Apr 2 22:05:43 2007 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:05:43 EDT Subject: Harvey Message-ID: I just found this, Harvey with a metal band. http://www.myspace.com/httpwwwmyspacecomegoprime ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 02:14:05 2007 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:14:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021113.l32BDMiS008897@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I thoroughly enjoyed the doc up to the end when Nik went on about the split with Dave. Nik was a fundamental part of the early sound but did not add much to the early 80s shows HW are always evolving Nik seems largely irrelevant to the future. Then again look at all the old bands reforming classic lineups and touring successfully. One can but dream. Just a thought how about a doc featuring HW with the current lineup. Now I am dreaming. Brian From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Apr 3 02:49:46 2007 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:49:46 -0700 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704021542.l32FgTwx000240@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mike wrote... >Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. >Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. It's the following weekend, you know. Or do you mean you just can't swing two weekends in a row away from work? Too bad. >Anyone else going? Well, I've never been (so no), but I doubt seriously if I would ever buy tickets to go to a festival when I read this: No announcement about the line up will be made by the Festival before tickets go on sale. The Festival will announce the lineup of all the main stages at the beginning of June. That's kind of horseshit, isn't it? Is there something about Glasters that is just so totally awesome that even if the music is all crap, it's still the time of one's life? Is it more a Burning Man kinda thing then? (Not that I've ever been to that either.) I don't know, I would always choose what festivals to go to based on the music lineup offered. The nature of the site, surrounding "scene," and organization might well put me off going (if something was really disturbing, or "Hea-vyyyy" in the manner of the Young Ones' Neil), but it (I mean, the opposite) would never be the basis *for* going (if the music were only so-so). Just my 0.02...still going to Hawkfest no matter. :) We'll miss your technicolour dreamcoat, fofp. Grakkl P.S. What happened with NearFest? Anybody get/not get tix? P.P.S. RSI = CTS? --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 03:15:52 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:15:52 -0700 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <139844.54129.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith, I think he meant that having attending Hawkfest it's down straight down to Glastonbury! :-) And, yes, Glasters is *the* event where the line-up is secondary to just being there! Ian Keith Henderson wrote: Mike wrote... >Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. >Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. It's the following weekend, you know. Or do you mean you just can't swing two weekends in a row away from work? Too bad. >Anyone else going? Well, I've never been (so no), but I doubt seriously if I would ever buy tickets to go to a festival when I read this: No announcement about the line up will be made by the Festival before tickets go on sale. The Festival will announce the lineup of all the main stages at the beginning of June. That's kind of horseshit, isn't it? Is there something about Glasters that is just so totally awesome that even if the music is all crap, it's still the time of one's life? Is it more a Burning Man kinda thing then? (Not that I've ever been to that either.) I don't know, I would always choose what festivals to go to based on the music lineup offered. The nature of the site, surrounding "scene," and organization might well put me off going (if something was really disturbing, or "Hea-vyyyy" in the manner of the Young Ones' Neil), but it (I mean, the opposite) would never be the basis *for* going (if the music were only so-so). Just my 0.02...still going to Hawkfest no matter. :) We'll miss your technicolour dreamcoat, fofp. Grakkl P.S. What happened with NearFest? Anybody get/not get tix? P.P.S. RSI = CTS? --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From drgoon at MAC.COM Tue Apr 3 03:54:51 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:54:51 -0400 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <139844.54129.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.S. What happened with NearFest? Anybody get/not get tix? I got up at 5AM and drove a couple of hours up to the box office and waited for tickets to go on sale. Mission accomplished. Tickets sold slightly slower this year because the theatre had a new online ticketing system that couldn't cope with the rush. Hopefully it will all go as planned, as I haven't seen Hawkwind since moving to the US shortly after Hawkestra. Inspired me to rejoin the list, so *wave* to folks I know, and "pleased to meet you" to those I don't. :) > P.P.S. RSI = CTS? No, CTS = RSI. :) RSI is the group of conditions of which CTS is a member, I believe. Gordon. From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 05:17:32 2007 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:17:32 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! Message-ID: Well done - yes it seems that the technologically savvy definitely had an advantage this year. Apparently the website didn't time you out so several people just stayed online, phoned all their friends and were able to act as a focus for anyone else who wanted to buy tickets. Also having logged on once you were able to get back on again several times - I assume because the site remembered your details. So all you really needed was sufficient super-speed technology to make the connection in the first place. It would appear that this is the new counter-culture 8-) Have fun! jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: A Miracle! > Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury tickets. > Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. Anyone else > going? > > Of course this wasn't without hassle. Everyone had to submit photos this > year to support Eavis's perverse pogrom on ticket touts. Thus all Eavis > really had to do was run a lottery which allocated tickets to one in > three of those who registered their photographs. > > But no, this was too simple for the people who have previously had a > substantial fraction of the nation waste multiple man-hours redialling > critically overtaxed phone lines. So we had to get up early on a Sunday > morning to travel to work to take advantage of fast comms and press > Reload a thousand times each to get tickets. No doubt some pressed ten > thousand times before giving up. A national RSI epidemic is now > predicted... > > I do hope I meet the man. Perhaps he can be persuaded that ticket touts > are simple people arbitraging a price mismatch in favour of those who > want tickets and that if he really wants them out of the loop then the > most sensible thing is for he himself to auction tickets on the web so > that they are sold at the market-clearing price. As an added bonus, > those hundreds of thouands of man-hours would be available for more > productive use, and the charities favoured by the festival would > probably have a multiple of the current money made available to them. > > In short: Glastonbury Fayre needs Laissez Faire. > > FoFP > > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 05:25:02 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:25:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are a brave man, sir. trev wrote: Well yes Colin, we had agreed that they were dangerous deviants and that we would not be going anywhere near the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the innocent. However, I believe that it's time to make a stand against these sub-human degenerates, so I WILL be going to the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus ATTEMPT to corrupt the minds of the innocent. I myself will use my own body to barricade the entrance to this den of iniquity, disregarding any hurt or wound, in order to prevent the misguided from entering the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the innocent. judge whitehouse AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >I thought that you and I had agreed that they were dangerous deviants and >that we would not be going anywhere near the Standard in Walthamstow (1 >Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus >corrupt the minds of the innocent. > > trev wrote: Yes why bother with all these old farts > (Space Ritual and Hawkwind), resting > on their ageing laurels and no longer able to do the business any more. I > agree entirely. > Why not instead go see Niks new project - Inner City Unit, who i don't > think > anyone could call "very sad" when the Blessed Ones are on their feet and > bopping from the first song to the last. > > http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit > > Best Wishes, > > Judge Trev > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS > TO > MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS > EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN > RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > http://www.judgetrev.com > > tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, > Chat, Healers > REAL MUSIC CLUB is supported by the Brighton and Hove Arts Commission > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > >> Just let it rain down on poor old Nik eh?? :-) >> >> Well Turner is described just like that in the early 80s period which I >> was well chronicled a little bit as such in the book by Ian Abrahams..... >> >> And Alan Davey immediately moved right in to a right-hand position of >> Power at Brocks hand when he joined the band, i think that was EVIL >> too...... >> >> ...poor Nik! >> >> Christian >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: pete howe >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Sent: Monday, 2 April, 2007 2:17:08 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >> >> i dont blame Brock and co for pulling out.. having watched Turner and his >> croney old gang of pub comedians churn out the most awful versions of HW >> songs on utube, I cant blame them. >> And dont forget, the really bad ole years of 83-84 were mainly due to >> Turners comedy performances which made me and my space music mates groan >> every time he jumped on stage to ridicule every hawkwind song lyric he >> could >> think of, with his limited spontaneous wit and stupefying >> intelligence.THAT >> WAS NOT hawkwind!As Alan Davey quite rightly pointed out to Dave, after >> the >> Ipswich gig, which i was at , and was recorded for video.The only saviour >> of >> that video/gig was Dave doing psi-power.Turners not a musician, hes not >> even funny, and now hes just very sad. He has a presence,yes..but thats >> all. >> >> >> >>>From: M Holmes >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >>>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:13:22 +0100 >>> >>>Paul Mather writes: >>> >>> > It was a nice documentary on BBC 4. Obviously, footage must be very >>> > thin on the ground, because they appeared to recycle the Top of the >>> > Pops footage many many times. >>> >>>Was that other stuff from the same Dunstable gig or is it Space Ritual >>>era? >>> >>> > But, the documentary itself was positive (despite Brock and co. >>> > having pulled out) and didn't leave a bad aftertaste in the mouth, >>> > unlike, say, the Carol Clerk book did for me. What's more, they >>> > showed the Top of the Pops Silver Machine single as a separate short >>> > programme afterwards. >>> >>>Confirming that we were correct about Dunstable being the time and place >>>of the recording. >>> >>>Yes, if the Independent article is at all accurate, perhaps Dave, Alan >>>and >>>Kris misjudged the intentions of the makers of the documentary, and >>>if so, it's a great pity. I guess there's been enough "Are these old >>>hippies still at it?" stuff in the press to warrant some suspicion, and >>>certainly Clerk's book aired a gigatonne of dirty linen, but as it >>>turned out, the heats of these guys were in the right place. >>> >>> > Nicely done! >>> >>>Indeed. I enjoyed it a lot. >>> >>>FoFP >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. >> http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out >> more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. >> http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk >> > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 05:50:28 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:50:28 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:28:54 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > That would work unless the touts outbid the fans in the auction and > then put the tickets up for sale at even more inflated prices. To > argue that a losing bidder has lost because the auction passed their > spending limit is not always true, as extensive res> earch into E-Bay > has shown. Your proposal would not remove the touts. It's a fairly stupid person who doesn't bid what an item is worth to them. What's the evidence that people get their bids too low? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 05:53:40 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:53:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Amphetamine Embalmer's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > From: M Holmes >>When someone >> claims that someone else isn't a real fan and should be kicked off the >> list or disinvited to the pub, *that* would count as the acrimony >> spilling over into the fans. >> I remain convinced however that we're all grownup enough to see that >> such a thing never comes to pass. > Well I've been kicked off BOC-L at least 3 times IIRC, this was more for apparent racism rather than anything to do with an argument about Hawkwind. OHM made the rules clear on that: anyone breaks 'em, they get the boot. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 05:56:14 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:56:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > You know, I see this Turner that you describe showing up on > videos and such, but when my wife and I saw him some years > ago touring in the States, he was downright gentlemanly - > gracious, even. At the end, he bowed and thanked the > audience for attending and all! It was the second time my > wife had seen him, and she loved both shows that she's seen. > Adn the guys backing him (on that tour at least) were > anything but pub comedians... That he can be a polite and courteous guy is undoubted. That when he gets into Hawkwind, he sooner or later seems to want to tweak Dave's nose and then really drive him mad is also very apparent. He's always been the agent of his own misfortune in that regard. Quite what drives it all, I have no idea. FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 06:22:59 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:22:59 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704030950.l339oSlQ011470@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: 1. People often bid to a level that they feel comfortable with rather than what they are willing to pay. 2. Technical failures, overload and slow connections lead to people not being able to bid, especially towards the end of on-line auctions. Both of those leave the door open for touts. M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > That would work unless the touts outbid the fans in the auction and > then put the tickets up for sale at even more inflated prices. To > argue that a losing bidder has lost because the auction passed their > spending limit is not always true, as extensive res> earch into E-Bay > has shown. Your proposal would not remove the touts. It's a fairly stupid person who doesn't bid what an item is worth to them. What's the evidence that people get their bids too low? FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 3 06:27:16 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:27:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704030956.l339uE7U012372@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: To turn that argument around and address it from another perspective, one might posit that it might not be Nik who is the problem but Dave. The argument might be that Dave has an antipathy towards Nik that Nik's presence serves to bring to the fore. There are at least two sides to every story. M Holmes wrote: Stephen Swann writes: > You know, I see this Turner that you describe showing up on > videos and such, but when my wife and I saw him some years > ago touring in the States, he was downright gentlemanly - > gracious, even. At the end, he bowed and thanked the > audience for attending and all! It was the second time my > wife had seen him, and she loved both shows that she's seen. > Adn the guys backing him (on that tour at least) were > anything but pub comedians... That he can be a polite and courteous guy is undoubted. That when he gets into Hawkwind, he sooner or later seems to want to tweak Dave's nose and then really drive him mad is also very apparent. He's always been the agent of his own misfortune in that regard. Quite what drives it all, I have no idea. FoFP From Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 06:50:27 2007 From: Maxine.Wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:50:27 +0100 Subject: Off: A miracle Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Well, I've never been (so no), but I doubt seriously if I would ever buy tickets to go to a festival when I read this: >"No announcement about the line up will be made by the Festival before tickets go on sale. The Festival will announce the >lineup of all the main stages at the beginning of June." I hear Shirley Bassey is playing... >That's kind of horseshit, isn't it? Is there something about Glasters that is just so totally awesome that even if the music is >all crap, it's still the time of one's life? Which is why some of us have chosen to support....."GlastonBudget"....... "The original and best tribute festival. It is also the cheapest.Free Camping inc. Caravans & Mobile Homes, Free Parking, No Booking Fees, Nasty food= Banned! Rip Off Beer Prices = Banned! check out more at http://www.glastonbudget.co.uk/www/index_new.pl/home best regards Maxine From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 3 08:01:14 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:01:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704030956.l339uE7U012372@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 03/04/2007 10:56, M Holmes wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: >> You know, I see this Turner that you describe showing up on >> videos and such, but when my wife and I saw him some years >> ago touring in the States, he was downright gentlemanly - >> gracious, even. Yeah, that matches my occasional experience of Nik In Person. Though he can clearly be a bit of a nutter, too. There's no separation in the persona -- it just appears that way to us! ;) > That he can be a polite and courteous guy is undoubted. That when he > gets into Hawkwind, he sooner or later seems to want to tweak Dave's > nose and then really drive him mad is also very apparent. He's always > been the agent of his own misfortune in that regard. Quite what drives > it all, I have no idea. Ah, all these artistic temperaments! I have the feeling that one needn't necessarily pull too hard in order to yank the Captain's chain -- and Nik has all the qualities he needs to be a consummate chain-yanker! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 3 08:01:57 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:01:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <138915.87922.qm@web23210.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/04/2007 11:27, Colin Allen wrote: > To turn that argument around and address it from another perspective, one might posit that it might not be Nik who is the problem but Dave. The argument might be that Dave has an antipathy towards Nik that Nik's presence serves to bring to the fore. Yes, I think one might very well posit that ..... -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 3 08:03:23 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:03:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704021355.l32DtE1J006557@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 02/04/2007 14:55, M Holmes wrote: > By 1984 he[Nik]'d still make some songs better ("Born > To Go" sticks out in my mind) but with his vestal virgins stage nonsense > and all the rest of it, he was very much a liability to Hawkwind looking > like a serious band rather than a kind of Spinal Tap comedy act. Though even after sacking him .... Well, I've seen the Live Chronicles stage set on video! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 3 08:06:02 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:06:02 +0100 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: <46110422.9050407@aol.com> Message-ID: On 02/04/2007 14:24, Iain Ferguson wrote: > Lemmy blasted the event [Hawkestra] as being badly played, > and impossible to hear anything.. And he's certainly right about the first. As for the second, well, the audience sound was ... variable; I dread to think what the sound on stage was like! Thing whole event looked like chaos on a stick, as one might have expected .... But I did have an absolute ball being there :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Apr 3 09:28:17 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:28:17 -0400 Subject: A Miracle!/Nearfest ticketing Message-ID: > On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Keith Henderson wrote: > >> P.S. What happened with NearFest? Anybody get/not get tix? > > I got up at 5AM and drove a couple of hours up to the box office and > waited for tickets to go on sale. Mission accomplished. Tickets sold > slightly slower this year because the theatre had a new online ticketing > system that couldn't cope with the rush. Hopefully it will all go as > planned, as I haven't seen Hawkwind since moving to the US shortly after > Hawkestra. Inspired me to rejoin the list, so *wave* to folks I know, and > "pleased to meet you" to those I don't. :) Living in Indiana, I couldn't drive there, so I had to settle for getting my ticket online, which was a hellish ordeal. The online ticketing system was perplexing (i.e. being forced to buy a "10,000 full" whatever that is--I hope it's a ticket!), and it was obviously swamped with people. It was least an hour after tickets went on sale that I was finally able (after thousands of refreshes and button presses) to make my purchase, which wound up being in the balcony *sigh*. Being an early bird definitely did not pay off in this case. And then of course let's not forget that HW haven't even confirmed the show.... John Majka From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 12:04:30 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:04:30 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:49:46 -0700 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Mike wrote... > >Amazingly, for the fist time since 2001 we got Glastonbury > >tickets. > >Looks like we'll be out of Hawkfest and into Glasters. > It's the following weekend, you know. Or do you mean you just can't > swing two weekends in a row away from work? I mean I'll be out of one sunny field and straight into another. > >Anyone else going? > Well, I've never been (so no), but I doubt seriously if I would ever > buy tickets to go to a festival when I read this: > No announcement about the line up will be made by the Festival > before tickets go on sale. The Festival will announce the lineup of > all the main stages at the beginning of June. > That's kind of horseshit, isn't it? Is there something about > Glasters that is just so totally awesome that even if the music is > all crap, it's still the time of one's life? I don't concern myself with who's playing. There's a lot more going on than bands and I daresay that if I should want to see a band, there'll be something I like on somewhere. Usually I just wander around the fields looking for weird shit, and if I see a band I like the sound of, I stop for a while. If not, I keep wandering. > Is it more a Burning > Man kinda thing then? (Not that I've ever been to that e> ither.) I > don't know Me neither, but I think that's the idea. There's comedy, theatre, circus, crafts, politics. You can learn to do trapeze in a weekend or how to make flinthead arrows, or maybe blow glass. There's an amazing range of stuff to see and do. > I would always choose what festivals to go to based on > the music lineup offered. The nature of the site, surrounding > "scene," and organization might well put me off going (if something > was really disturbing, or "Hea-vyyyy" in the m> anner of the Young > Ones' Neil), but it (I mean, the opposite) would never be the basis > *for* going (if the music were only so-so). I dunno. Stonehenge was pretty "heavy", but I had loads of fun there too. > Just my 0.02...still going to Hawkfest no matter. :) We'll miss > your technicolour dreamcoat, fofp. I'll be there... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 12:10:31 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:10:31 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:22:59 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > 1. People often bid to a level that they feel comfortable with rather > than what they are willing to pay. That makes scant sense to me. In what way is someone willing to pay more if that's not the amount they feel comfortable in paying? Ebay is designed to keep your bid as much below your stated maximum (what the item is actually worth to you) as is required to keep you ahead in the bidding. It makes no sense given this to bid less than an item is worth to you. > 2. Technical failures, overload and slow connections lead to people > not being able to bid, especially towards the end of on-line > auctions. Well OK, but that's a tech issue which can be resolved by investing in the correct equipment. In fact, Eavis only needs to offer one ticket for sale and then take the X highest bids. Exactly this system works for allocating licences to take cars into Singapore. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 12:13:15 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:13:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:27:16 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > To turn that argument around and address it from another perspective, > one might posit that it might not be Nik who is the problem but Dave. > The argument might be that Dave has an antipathy towards Nik that > Nik's presence serves to bring to the fore. Could be, but in effect this makes no difference. Dave being there is a given, and thus if Nik is there and it causes grief enough to impact the music, it means Nik has to go again. Them's just the facts. I don't see that it's going to be cured in this timeline. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 3 12:18:17 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:18:17 +0100 Subject: Off: A miracle In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Which is why some of us have chosen to > support....."GlastonBudget"....... "The original and best tribute > festival. It is also the cheapest.Free Camping inc. Caravans & Mobile > Homes, Free Parking, No Booking Fees, Nasty food= Banned! Rip Off Beer > Prices = Banned! check out more at > http://www.glastonbudget.co.uk/www/index_new.pl/home Eastern Haze was also very much like Glasters when it started out. I see Litmus and Space Ritual are playing this year. http://www.easternhaze.com/mainstage.php Burg Herzberg is also tres bohemian: http://www.last.fm/event/68321 I've had good times at Wickerman too: http://www.thewickermanfestival.co.uk/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Apr 3 12:20:25 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:20:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704031613.l33GDF56021112@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Here here, tiz a shame but tis Fact. M Holmes wrote on 03/04/2007, 17:13: > Them's just the facts. I don't see > that it's going to be cured in this timeline. From drgoon at MAC.COM Tue Apr 3 14:00:59 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:00:59 -0400 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704031610.l33GAVKx020575@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:10 PM, M Holmes wrote: > In fact, Eavis only needs to offer one ticket for sale and then > take the > X highest bids. I don't see that its necessarily more fair to allocate tickets to the N highest bidders than to allocate them to the N luckiest from a lottery or the N most persistent about hitting refresh. There are people willing to pay the costs Eavis requires to profit from his festival but who would never get tickets again under a bidding war. I doubt you'd be happy to be in such a position, though maybe your tolerance for being the fiscal underdog is higher than your tolerance for pressing 'refresh'. :) More significantly however, I have to wonder what would be left of crafts, theatre, or other arts once the festival is full of punters willing to spend huge sums to go and see certain vogue bands in a field. I seriously doubt as high a proportion of the big spenders would be interested in the less publicised attractions of the current festivals. I honestly don't know. I do feel that the 'ambience' would certainly change. However, I wish you luck in your endeavour to convince Eavis to fully embrace his inner capitalist. Gordon. From drgoon at MAC.COM Tue Apr 3 14:07:49 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:07:49 -0400 Subject: A Miracle!/Nearfest ticketing In-Reply-To: <003001c775f3$f0f29180$0202a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, John Majka wrote: > It was least an hour after tickets went on sale that I was finally > able (after thousands of refreshes and button presses) to make my > purchase, which wound up being in the balcony *sigh*. On the plus side, there's only 1000 seats - and not a bad one in the entire house. I suspect it'll be a little odd to see Hawkwind in an all seated theatre, but it will at least sound pretty damned good. Over a couple of pints with one of the organisers, I asked about the visa situation. Apparently everything is in order, and there should be no problems. He had spoken to Brock that morning, and the band is looking forward to it. Gordon. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Apr 3 17:31:34 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:31:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: note about 'Mexicali Blues' where SLOTERDIJK plays on the 12th of April Message-ID: Just a note to let people know that Mexicali Blues is a 'taper friendly' venue!! http://www.mexicalibluescafe.com http://www.myspace.com/sloterdijk1 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 4 06:16:24 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:16:24 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:10 PM, M Holmes wrote: > > In fact, Eavis only needs to offer one ticket for sale and then > > take the > > X highest bids. > I don't see that its necessarily more fair to allocate tickets to the > N highest bidders than to allocate them to the N luckiest from a > lottery or the N most persistent about hitting refresh. Different folks have different ideas about what's fair. The problem with the refresh concept though is that we all get poorer because so many man-hours are wasted instead of going into productive use. It's the equivalent of having people dig holes that others fill in. > There are > people willing to pay the costs Eavis requires to profit from his > festival but who would never get tickets again under a bidding war. Those folks could volunteer to work for the festival and get tickets for nothing. The advantage of bidding is that people pay what the festival is worth to them and thus the tickets go to those who value it most (in the economic sense of being willing to sacrifice something else of value for it). That maximises economic efficiency. The trouble with a lottery is that some folks who value it less will get tickets in preference to some folks who value it more. > I > doubt you'd be happy to be in such a position, though maybe your > tolerance for being the fiscal underdog is higher than your tolerance > for pressing 'refresh'. :) I'm in that position as regards a trip to the international space station inasmuch as I find it difficult to bid the necessary 14 million. I can live with it. Of course if I could get there for a weekend by manning the gate for one third of the time, I'd be there on Friday... > More significantly however, I have to wonder what would be left of > crafts, theatre, or other arts once the festival is full of punters > willing to spend huge sums to go and see certain vogue bands in a > field. Actually, my observations are that the punters with the most money *are* the people buying quite expensive things from the craft stalls. By and large the people going to see vogue bands will spend their time at the man stages eating burgers and drinking cider, with only the occasional foray into the "cultural" areas. Since 1985 Glasters has been split in that way between "Babylon" and the rest. > I seriously doubt as high a proportion of the big spenders > would be interested in the less publicised attractions of the current > festivals. I think you're close to 180 degrees out in that assessment. Sure the real crusties spend a lot of time in the greenfields, but it's the well-off weekenders who make the economics of it work. Also since the more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or thereabouts?) they tend to be the folks with the interest in green politics and alternative power too. > I honestly don't know. I do feel that the 'ambience' would > certainly change. I guess I have enough experience to be cynical. To a large degree the occupants of Babylon correlate with the folks who came over the fence and effectively stole from the Glasters charities (the came over at the green side and headed straight to Babylon to camp). The ambience changed a great deal for the better once they were shut out by the fence. At least if you consider not having loads of tents stolen and not having drug dealers run around in ski masks holding basball bats an improvement. Or even if you reckon not queueing 30 minutes for every toilet stop, bite to eat, or get a drink is a good thing. Sorry. I grew up in a working class scheme, but simple experience teaches me that the well-off middle classes have on average a much better idea of how to conduct themselves in public, and when you're toe-to-toe in a field, those social skills really matter a great deal. > However, I wish you luck in your endeavour to > convince Eavis to fully embrace his inner capitalist. I always liked a challenge ;-) FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Apr 4 06:51:13 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 06:51:13 -0400 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704031610.l33GAVKx020575@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 05:10:31PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Colin Allen writes: > > > 1. People often bid to a level that they feel comfortable with rather > > than what they are willing to pay. > > That makes scant sense to me. In what way is someone willing to pay more > if that's not the amount they feel comfortable in paying? > > Ebay is designed to keep your bid as much below your stated maximum > (what the item is actually worth to you) as is required to keep you > ahead in the bidding. It makes no sense given this to bid less than an > item is worth to you. Definitely, yes. The only way to stay sane as an Ebay bidder is to figure out how much the item is worth to you (best determined through the following mental exercise: What is the amount where I would slap myself on the forehead and say CHRIST, I WOULD HAVE PAID THAT MUCH!"). ;-) You bid that much, then *forget about it*. Let the auto-bidder do the work for you, and wait for the email telling you whether you won. All the rest of it: active bidding, last minute sniping, etc, might net you a few cheaper wins, but will also give you an ulcer. Steve From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 4 07:09:56 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:09:56 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704041016.l34AGOsg007814@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 4 Apr 2007, at 11:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Gordon Hundley writes: > >> On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:10 PM, M Holmes wrote: > >>> In fact, Eavis only needs to offer one ticket for sale and then >>> take the >>> X highest bids. > >> I don't see that its necessarily more fair to allocate tickets to the >> N highest bidders than to allocate them to the N luckiest from a >> lottery or the N most persistent about hitting refresh. > > Different folks have different ideas about what's fair. The problem > with > the refresh concept though is that we all get poorer because so many > man-hours are wasted instead of going into productive use. It's the > equivalent of having people dig holes that others fill in. That's not strictly true. It just biases the unit of currency towards time rather than pounds sterling and thus favours a different subset of ticket buyers. So, some will get "richer" by such a scheme and some will get "poorer." Those with little money but lots of free time to hang around hitting refresh will quibble with you that such time is not productive when it lets them net the ticket they crave. Of course, those with little time but lots of money can always tip the playing field back in their favour by paying someone to hang around and hit refresh as a proxy. After all, isn't this what the ticket touts do? :-) >> There are >> people willing to pay the costs Eavis requires to profit from his >> festival but who would never get tickets again under a bidding war. > > Those folks could volunteer to work for the festival and get > tickets for > nothing. The advantage of bidding is that people pay what the festival > is worth to them and thus the tickets go to those who value it most > (in > the economic sense of being willing to sacrifice something else of > value > for it). That maximises economic efficiency. The trouble with a > lottery > is that some folks who value it less will get tickets in preference to > some folks who value it more. It depends whether you consider "value" to be an absolute or a relative quantity. If the value of a ticket to me is such that I am willing to spend 150% of my assets to obtain it, but billionaire Joe Trustfund considers a ticket worth only 1% of his assets, Joe Trustfund is still going to beat me in a bidding auction (where absolute values win). Under your definition, the ticket is worth more to Mr. Trustfund, who "values" it more than me, even though he was prepared to sacrifice less to obtain it. We'll have to agree to disagree on "worth" and "value," then. >> I >> doubt you'd be happy to be in such a position, though maybe your >> tolerance for being the fiscal underdog is higher than your tolerance >> for pressing 'refresh'. :) > > I'm in that position as regards a trip to the international space > station inasmuch as I find it difficult to bid the necessary 14 > million. > I can live with it. Of course if I could get there for a weekend by > manning the gate for one third of the time, I'd be there on Friday... Of course then you'd get people crying foul that you were allowed to jump the queue by not paying your way. With massively oversubscribed pay-to-play ventures, there'll usually be some spoiler that comes along saying, "I'll man the gate for one third of the time *and* pay one million quid to boot, so get out of my queue spot and be on your way, Holmes..." :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 4 10:45:15 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:45:15 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Wed, 4 Apr 2007 06:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 05:10:31PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > Colin Allen writes: > > > > > 1. People often bid to a level that they feel comfortable with rather > > > than what they are willing to pay. > > > > That makes scant sense to me. In what way is someone willing to pay more > > if that's not the amount they feel comfortable in paying? > > > > Ebay is designed to keep your bid as much below your stated maximum > > (what the item is actually worth to you) as is required to keep you > > ahead in the bidding. It makes no sense given this to bid less than an > > item is worth to you. > > Definitely, yes. The only way to stay sane as an Ebay > bidder is to figure out how much the item is worth to you > (best determined through the following mental exercise: What > is the amount where I would slap myself on the forehead and > say CHRIST, I WOULD HAVE PAID THAT MUCH!"). ;-) You bid > that much, then *forget about it*. Let the auto-bidder do > the work for you, and wait for the email telling you whether > you won. Phew! Thank Eris for that. The Little Voices were starting to shout "HA!! We Told You YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS!!" FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 4 11:01:08 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:01:08 +0100 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:09:56 +0100 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On 4 Apr 2007, at 11:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > Gordon Hundley writes: > >> On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:10 PM, M Holmes wrote: > >>> In fact, Eavis only needs to offer one ticket for sale and then > >>> take the > >>> X highest bids. > >> I don't see that its necessarily more fair to allocate tickets to the > >> N highest bidders than to allocate them to the N luckiest from a > >> lottery or the N most persistent about hitting refresh. > > Different folks have different ideas about what's fair. The problem > > with the refresh concept though is that we all get poorer because so > > many man-hours are wasted instead of going into productive use. > > It's the equivalent of having people dig holes that others fill in. > That's not strictly true. It just biases the unit of currency towards > time rather than pounds sterling and thus favours a different subset > of ticket buyers. So, some will get "richer" by such a scheme and > some will get "poorer." Those with little money but lots of free time > to hang around hitting refresh will quibble with you that such time is > not productive when it lets them net the ticket they crave. The fault in that reasoning lies with the folks who hit refresh for hours and do not get tickets. Their man-hours have been wasted when they could have earned more Jollies Points working, or generated Jollies directly by watching reruns of Buffy or just having a wank. The two situations would only be equivalenced were Eavis to get to keep the money from all losing bidders too. Cut it how you like: Eavis's Hippy Dippiness is making the country poorer. > Of course, those with little time but lots of money can always tip the > playing field back in their favour by paying someone to hang around > and hit refresh as a proxy. After all, isn't this what the ticket > touts do? :-) Ooooh. You do score a point with that one, but of course this is merely conceding that the current system sets up the same perverse incentives as selling the tickets below market value, only with the added loss of wealth due to wasted man-hours. > >> There are people willing to pay the costs Eavis requires to profit > >> from his festival but who would never get tickets again under a > >> bidding war. > > Those folks could volunteer to work for the festival and get tickets > > for nothing. The advantage of bidding is that people pay what the > > festival is worth to them and thus the tickets go to those who value > > it most (in the economic sense of being willing to sacrifice > > something else of value for it). That maximises economic > > efficiency. The trouble with a lottery is that some folks who value > > it less will get tickets in preference to some folks who value it > > more. > It depends whether you consider "value" to be an absolute or a > relative quantity. No. That's my very point. It doesn't require this. What we know from human psychology is that different people value different things in different ways. If it weren't so then free trade (where each person thinks they come out of the trade better) could never happen. In that we know that people value things diffeerently, and we're not telepathic, wwe need some way to establish how differeent people might value particular things. The easiest, and so far only reliable way to do this is to have the person offer something equal to the value of the object they desire. this is accomplished in certain sorts of auctions where, if successful, they will in fact be required to sacrifice precisely what they claim the object is worth. If you can think of a better way to discover the actual value someone ascribes to something, then I'd like to act as your agent... > If the value of a ticket to me is such that I am > willing to spend 150% of my assets to obtain it, but billionaire Joe > Trustfund considers a ticket worth only 1% of his assets, Joe > Trustfund is still going to beat me in a bidding auction (where > absolute values win). That's because he *still* values it more than you do. He's willing to sacrifice more Jollies Points to get it. The fact that he has more of them to spare is neither here nor there. This is why beer is sold at a price rather than at a fixed percentage of someone's total assets. If two people were bidding for you're employment. One had assets of ten Pounds and one had assets of 100 billion Pounds. Would you choose to work for the one bidding ten Pounds rather than the one bidding a million because you thought the ten Pounds was worth more in some sort of relative terms? Should bands be any different? > Under your definition, the ticket is worth more > to Mr. Trustfund, who "values" it more than me, even though he was > prepared to sacrifice less to obtain it. No. He's prepared to sacrifice more. > We'll have to agree to disagree on "worth" and "value," then. As I said, if you have a better way to discover the worth of something... > >> I doubt you'd be happy to be in such a position, though maybe your > >> tolerance for being the fiscal underdog is higher than your > >> tolerance for pressing 'refresh'. :) > > I'm in that position as regards a trip to the international space > > station inasmuch as I find it difficult to bid the necessary 14 > > million. I can live with it. Of course if I could get there for a > > weekend by manning the gate for one third of the time, I'd be there > > on Friday... > Of course then you'd get people crying foul that you were allowed to > jump the queue by not paying your way. Perhaps. > With massively oversubscribed > pay-to-play ventures, there'll usually be some spoiler that comes > along saying, "I'll man the gate for one third of the time *and* pay > one million quid to boot, so get out of my queue spot and be on your > way, Holmes..." :-) Heh. I wonder if that happens for stewarding at Glastonbuury? FoFP From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Apr 4 11:27:33 2007 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:27:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Wow. Get off the fence and let us know how you really feel. Clearly >you're entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine, but its a bit >excessive to try and claim that "Turners not a musician" (sic). > >I think that Nik brought a great deal to Hawkwind, and even wrote >some great songs with them. Its too bad that the idiotic war between >members past and present has to spill over into the fans. > >Gordon. I'll second this. Turner wrote some of my favorite (and classic) Hawkwind songs, and the sound of the early years without the sax would be just ... wrong. JB From webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO Wed Apr 4 11:53:39 2007 From: webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO (George Chaplin) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:53:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704041527.l34FRXS18682@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: "I'll second this. Turner wrote some of my favorite (and classic) Hawkwind songs, and the sound of the early years without the sax would be just ... wrong." Well, after about 32 years as a Hawkfan, I heard Nik play for the first time last year and I realised that Hawkwind are never going to be Hawkwind without him. Yes, Nik is on of the original Warriors on the edge of Time, and I an one also, he can blow his horn for me anytime and I'm totally made up that he's now a personal friend of mine and is playing at my festival this year. Nik has asked for an orgone accumulator, we are going to do a whole lot better than that, we are going to have an orgone frenzy! And a phycadelic one too. It won't cost megabucks either. If there are any other Warriors out there, please get in touch, you are needed. George From steve.bishop at DB.COM Wed Apr 4 12:00:22 2007 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:00:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 'Hawkwind are never going to be Hawkwind without him' - correct, in the post 70's era they are far better without him .............. George Chaplin To Sent by: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET BOC/Hawkwind cc Discussion List Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary 04/04/2007 16:53 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List "I'll second this. Turner wrote some of my favorite (and classic) Hawkwind songs, and the sound of the early years without the sax would be just ... wrong." Well, after about 32 years as a Hawkfan, I heard Nik play for the first time last year and I realised that Hawkwind are never going to be Hawkwind without him. Yes, Nik is on of the original Warriors on the edge of Time, and I an one also, he can blow his horn for me anytime and I'm totally made up that he's now a personal friend of mine and is playing at my festival this year. Nik has asked for an orgone accumulator, we are going to do a whole lot better than that, we are going to have an orgone frenzy! And a phycadelic one too. It won't cost megabucks either. If there are any other Warriors out there, please get in touch, you are needed. George --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 4 15:08:32 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes imo, he miraculously found out how to play flute and sax properly on the warrior album, i admit..was that REALLY him??Or maybe Simon Houses wonderful musical skills transposed him? His spell during the 80s with Hawkwind, and, for example, the Hawkestra, just proves how he set out to deliberately sabotage the band or turn them into a circus joke. I believe he played with a circus, didnt he?I saw the pic in Ian Abrahams book. He may be courteous and gentlemanly, he DOES come across as a nice bloke in documentaries... but a circus is where he belongs.. As someone else said, Hawkwind have moved on, and are a very tight space rock outfit.Nik hasnt moved on.And watching him mumble garbled ridicule through a 33 bpm version of Silver machine on utube recently confirms that,and how painfully embarrassing that must have been for the audience,as he pitifully tried to emulate Bob Calverts inspired spontaneous genius and intellect. You only have to witness Jez Huggets playing to admire how a sax should be played, not sound like a fart or a cough, which,funnily enough, is what Nick does best, i believe :) >From: teve Bishop >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:00:22 +0100 > >'Hawkwind are never going to be Hawkwind without him' - correct, in the >post >70's era they are far better without him .............. > > > > > > > George Chaplin > EUROPE.INFO> >To > Sent by: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > BOC/Hawkwind >cc > Discussion List > Subject > PNETINC.NET> Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > > 04/04/2007 16:53 > > > Please respond to > BOC/Hawkwind > Discussion List > PNETINC.NET> > > > > > > >"I'll second this. Turner wrote some of my favorite (and classic) Hawkwind >songs, and the sound of the early years without the sax would be just ... >wrong." > >Well, after about 32 years as a Hawkfan, I heard Nik play for the first >time >last year and I realised that Hawkwind are never going to be Hawkwind >without him. Yes, Nik is on of the original Warriors on the edge of Time, >and I an one also, he can blow his horn for me anytime and I'm totally made >up that he's now a personal friend of mine and is playing at my festival >this year. > >Nik has asked for an orgone accumulator, we are going to do a whole lot >better than that, we are going to have an orgone frenzy! And a phycadelic >one too. It won't cost megabucks either. > >If there are any other Warriors out there, please get in touch, you are >needed. > >George > > > >--- > >This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you >are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) >please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any >unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this >e-mail is strictly forbidden. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From i.barnett at VIRGIN.NET Wed Apr 4 15:15:53 2007 From: i.barnett at VIRGIN.NET (Ian Barnett) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:15:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Hello all. As my DVD recorder has thrown a hissy fit, could anyone who could help with what I couldn't record mail meofflist. thanks. Ian From webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO Wed Apr 4 15:26:50 2007 From: webmaster at ANCIENTEUROPE.INFO (George Chaplin) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:26:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would all start on about him in exactly the same way! A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not one I'm interested in, randomness feeds the universe. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 4 15:47:02 2007 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:47:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If Dave left the Hawks, that would be the end of the Hawks..... >From: George Chaplin >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:26:50 +0100 > >You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would all start on about him >in exactly the same way! > >A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not one I'm interested in, >randomness feeds the universe. _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 4 15:37:47 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:37:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: yes imo, he miraculously found out how to play flute and sax properly on the warrior album, i admit..was that REALLY him??Or maybe Simon Houses wonderful musical skills transposed him? His spell during the 80s with Hawkwind, and, for example, the Hawkestra, just proves how he set out to deliberately sabotage the band or turn them into a circus joke. I believe he played with a circus, didnt he?I saw the pic in Ian Abrahams book. He was in a Circus just like Robin and Deadman in the D.C. Comics (but not a Trapeze artist surely??) - and Nik could pass for a C.L.O.W.N. But then again surely (temple) The Circus Left Town and Then There Was Hawkwind, a Motley Crew of Madmen, an opportunity shirley..... He may be courteous and gentlemanly, he DOES come across as a nice bloke in documentaries... but a circus is where he belongs.. Well I met Nik for an interview (Scott Heller and I) in 1998 and contrary to what you may beleive he is a well spoken and is like a High Priest of High Egyptian Magick... of sorts, very convincing and well spoken, lots of convincing Authority and Power..... in his mannerisms and ways..... Above my measly self at the time..... but mention Brock and co...... like I did and he will tell you right out like a Child would...... Christian ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 4 15:47:25 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:47:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: George Chaplin To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 4 April, 2007 9:26:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would all start on about him in exactly the same way! A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not one I'm interested in, randomness feeds the universe. ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 4 15:48:44 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:48:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Yes and Dave Brock is a wandering 8-pointed Chaos Eye symbol, while Nik Tee lays down The Law with Trev Tee..... ----- Original Message ---- From: George Chaplin To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 4 April, 2007 9:26:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would all start on about him in exactly the same way! A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not one I'm interested in, randomness feeds the universe. ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 4 16:39:02 2007 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:39:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave IS Hawkwind - !! --- George Chaplin wrote: > You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would > all start on about him > in exactly the same way! > > A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not > one I'm interested in, > randomness feeds the universe. > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 4 16:39:29 2007 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:39:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave IS Hawkwind - !! --- George Chaplin wrote: > You know, I reckon is Dave left the Hawks, you would > all start on about him > in exactly the same way! > > A Tight space rock band. Now there's a concept! Not > one I'm interested in, > randomness feeds the universe. > ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Apr 4 20:17:32 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:17:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:08:32PM +0000, pete howe wrote: > yes imo, he miraculously found out how to play flute and sax properly on > the warrior album, i admit..was that REALLY him?? I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". Steve From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 5 04:55:56 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:55:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704031613.l33GDF56021112@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It is extremely unlikely, to say the least, that it will be "cured". However, my point was that one needs to take a balanced view and not just see it from one perspective. M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > To turn that argument around and address it from another perspective, > one might posit that it might not be Nik who is the problem but Dave. > The argument might be that Dave has an antipathy towards Nik that > Nik's presence serves to bring to the fore. Could be, but in effect this makes no difference. Dave being there is a given, and thus if Nik is there and it causes grief enough to impact the music, it means Nik has to go again. Them's just the facts. I don't see that it's going to be cured in this timeline. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 5 05:10:26 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:10:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <20070405001732.GA5733@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On 05/04/2007 01:17, Stephen Swann wrote: > I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't > have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". Yup, it's the "asthmatic waterfowl" vibe that belongs on Space Ritual. Branford Marsalis wouldn't have worked there! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 5 07:55:23 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:55:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: pete howe's message of Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Message-ID: pete howe writes: > yes imo, he miraculously found out how to play flute and sax properly on the > warrior album, i admit..was that REALLY him??Or maybe Simon Houses wonderful > musical skills transposed him? His spell during the 80s with Hawkwind, and, > for example, the Hawkestra, just proves how he set out to deliberately > sabotage the band or turn them into a circus joke. Heh. Here's an old one: We've seen him playing in the sun At festivals of beer and fun He didn't care what time it was He'd just keep playing for the cause Is he out or is he in? Is his playing just a din? Turning up and burning out While subverting from within His course determined by All Stars His momma's Uncle Sam's on Mars His spiky suit appeared to glow As lighted saxophone he'd blow Is he out or is he in? Is his playing just a din? Turning up and burning out While subverting from within His band's name changes with the tide He often joins in for the ride In costumes that are all home-made With psychedelic coloured shades His ad-libbing conciously With continual frequency Would often others irritate And in the end would seal his fate Is he out or is he in? Is his playing just a din? Turning up and burning out While subverting from within From drgoon at MAC.COM Thu Apr 5 11:09:07 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:09:07 -0400 Subject: A Miracle! In-Reply-To: <200704041016.l34AGOsg007814@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > Also since the > more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or > thereabouts?) Heh, that seems unlikely, but if you have a reference for that I'd be interested to see it, since income distribution is often described by a pareto curve. Gordon. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 5 12:26:52 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:26:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > > Also since the > > more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or > > thereabouts?) > Heh, that seems unlikely Huh? I'd have thought that it seems pretty obvious. Because of a squaring effect though, that 60% correlation means that IQ would predict only just over a third of income variation. > but if you have a reference for that I'd be > interested to see it, since income distribution is often described by > a pareto curve. I think I last saw a reference in one of Prof Kanazawa's evolutionary psychology papers, but the correlation is so well known in IQ research as to be unremarkable. I'm sure there'll be copious references in anything to do with Herrnstein and Murray's work on The Bell Curve too. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/methodologyInstitute/pdf/SKanazawa/I2006.pdf More detailed info in the APA review of the state of IQ research after the Bell Curve controversy: http://www.michna.com/intelligence.htm Short form: IQ (at age 8, and even to an extent at age 2) has quite a lot to do with how many years in education you'll spend, what you'll do when you grow up, and how much you'll earn. Having well-off parents helps a bit too, but not as much as being smart. On the other hand, it's a long way from determinism too. FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 5 13:07:38 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:07:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income Message-ID: So what IQ do you need to be a Hawkwind member? And what is the average IQ of a Hawkwind member? And not to mention the fans........... :-) Christian Gordon Hundley writes: > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > > Also since the > > more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or > > thereabouts?) > Heh, that seems unlikely Huh? I'd have thought that it seems pretty obvious. Because of a squaring effect though, that 60% correlation means that IQ would predict only just over a third of income variation. > but if you have a reference for that I'd be > interested to see it, since income distribution is often described by > a pareto curve. I think I last saw a reference in one of Prof Kanazawa's evolutionary psychology papers, but the correlation is so well known in IQ research as to be unremarkable. I'm sure there'll be copious references in anything to do with Herrnstein and Murray's work on The Bell Curve too. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/methodologyInstitute/pdf/SKanazawa/I2006.pdf More detailed info in the APA review of the state of IQ research after the Bell Curve controversy: http://www.michna.com/intelligence.htm Short form: IQ (at age 8, and even to an extent at age 2) has quite a lot to do with how many years in education you'll spend, what you'll do when you grow up, and how much you'll earn. Having well-off parents helps a bit too, but not as much as being smart. On the other hand, it's a long way from determinism too. FoFP ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Apr 5 16:33:57 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:33:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <4614BD02.8020606@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:10:26 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > On 05/04/2007 01:17, Stephen Swann wrote: > > I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't > > have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". > > Yup, it's the "asthmatic waterfowl" vibe that belongs on Space > Ritual. Branford Marsalis wouldn't have worked there! John Coltrane might've, though. Arjan H From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Apr 5 16:37:24 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:37:24 +0200 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income In-Reply-To: <332607.448.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:07:38 +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote > So what IQ do you need to be a Hawkwind member? And what is the > average IQ of a Hawkwind member? And not to mention the > fans........... :-) Well, there are always those who are ten sigma off.... In other words, there are exceptions to the rule. Arjan H From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 5 17:39:27 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:39:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income In-Reply-To: <200704051626.l35GQqZU007644@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 5 Apr 2007, at 5:26 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Gordon Hundley writes: > >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: >> >>> Also since the >>> more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or >>> thereabouts?) > >> Heh, that seems unlikely > > Huh? I'd have thought that it seems pretty obvious. Because of a > squaring effect though, that 60% correlation means that IQ would > predict > only just over a third of income variation. Unfortunately, because income/wealth is pareto-distributed, most of the variance is actually contributed by a relatively few observations in the extreme tail. I know from my own experience of modelling file sizes (another heavy-tailed distribution) that applying classical statistical measures and methods yields poor results. Your mileage may vary. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Thu Apr 5 21:27:48 2007 From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:27:48 -0400 Subject: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, thank you for this! Interesting to watch and not terribly disappointing. Good quality video too. At the risk of sounding piggish, by any chance do you have the "Silver Machine" too? Arin Komins wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've uploaded the documentary for those who need the quick fix and for > whom bittorrent isn't an option... > > It's been split into 2 parts, and they are a self-extracting rar file. > > Windows instructions: Just put the two files in the same directory, > doubleclick the *.exe file, and you should be good. > > Unixy types should be able to use rar off the command line, and Mac types > can use UnRarX, Rar Expander, or Rar for Mac. > > Part 1 (350 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FT1KHWYV > Part 2 (250 meg): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MTT5UHEP > > Password is "infinity". > > Keep in mind that megaupload has a bandwidth limit on it (per IP address). > If you can download from a different IP do that for the second file. If > not, just wait about 4 hours and try again, and it should now let you grab > the second file. > > I'm also hoping to get a mirror for that second file up, but that may take > me a bit. > > Thanks to Paul for the original file, and to Mike who is nabbing this for > me on dvd. > > Thanks! > > Arin > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > : > :I have the file. It's 600MB so the upload options from a free account are > :limited. I'm on a business trip until later in the week, if no-one has posted > :the file by the time I get back, I will. > : > : > : > :> > :> Have any more bit torrents appeared? Or did someone tape it who can dub > :a > :> copy? > :> John Majka > :> > :> > :> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM wrote: > :> > > :> > :Subject: Re: Those interested in watching the BBC 4 documentary... > :> > : > :> > :Are those sites OK with uploading TV content? > :> > > :> > depends on the individual site. They will all have AUPs somewhere up > :that > :> > can be checked :-) > :> > > :> > Nevertheless, just like bit torrent and the other p2p clients, many folks > :> > use them for such material.... > :> > > :> > Arin > :> > -- > :> > > :----------------------------------------------------------------- > :- > :> > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > :> > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > :> > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > :> > 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > :> > > :----------------------------------------------------------------- > :- > :> > : > :----------------------------------------- > :Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > :Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > : > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 6 03:47:15 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:47:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <20070405203243.M66875@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: On 05 Apr 2007, at 21:33, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:10:26 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote >> On 05/04/2007 01:17, Stephen Swann wrote: >>> I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't >>> have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". >> >> Yup, it's the "asthmatic waterfowl" vibe that belongs on Space >> Ritual. Branford Marsalis wouldn't have worked there! > > John Coltrane might've, though. I decided carefully to not use Coltrane as an example of what wouldn't work in this case :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 5 16:13:29 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:13:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income Message-ID: Say...... Dave Brock - 162 IQ Ron Tree - 119 IQ Nik Turner - 105 IQ Alan Davey - 141 IQ etc, Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 5 April, 2007 7:07:38 PM Subject: Re: OFF: IQ and adult income So what IQ do you need to be a Hawkwind member? And what is the average IQ of a Hawkwind member? And not to mention the fans........... :-) Christian Gordon Hundley writes: > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > > Also since the > > more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or > > thereabouts?) > Heh, that seems unlikely Huh? I'd have thought that it seems pretty obvious. Because of a squaring effect though, that 60% correlation means that IQ would predict only just over a third of income variation. > but if you have a reference for that I'd be > interested to see it, since income distribution is often described by > a pareto curve. I think I last saw a reference in one of Prof Kanazawa's evolutionary psychology papers, but the correlation is so well known in IQ research as to be unremarkable. I'm sure there'll be copious references in anything to do with Herrnstein and Murray's work on The Bell Curve too. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/methodologyInstitute/pdf/SKanazawa/I2006.pdf More detailed info in the APA review of the state of IQ research after the Bell Curve controversy: http://www.michna.com/intelligence.htm Short form: IQ (at age 8, and even to an extent at age 2) has quite a lot to do with how many years in education you'll spend, what you'll do when you grow up, and how much you'll earn. Having well-off parents helps a bit too, but not as much as being smart. On the other hand, it's a long way from determinism too. FoFP ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 6 09:37:36 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:37:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: joe bouchard interview online In-Reply-To: <20070319105955.l3x0kb5w08sk44gg@webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 10:59:55AM -0400, Jason M. Scruton typed out: > http://www.ktyd.com/pages/early.html > > there's a link to the windows media file of a radio interview w/ him. > it starts with the SNL skit, up to the "more cowell" line. It's > interesting and entertaining. In case anyone else like me doesn't have the up-to-date Media Player that their Javascript assumes you do, it turns out that it's just pointing to a standard MP3, at: http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/30374/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30374/1037/richmedia/Joe_Bouchard_of_Blue_Oyster_Cult.mp3 Pretty cool interview too. I hadn't realised that the stress on Allen's surname was on the secnd syllable before. Also ironic that Joe says Allen taught Patti Smith to sing, given that of all the vocalists in the band... ;-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Powertrip_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 6 11:24:08 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:24:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Ian Barnett's message of Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:15:53 +0100 Message-ID: Ian Barnett writes: > Hello all. As my DVD recorder has thrown a hissy fit, could anyone who could > help with what I couldn't record mail meofflist. thanks. Ian I have a pile of DVD's waiting to go out to people (you know who you are). I can add another to the list if you send me your address... FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 6 12:58:30 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:58:30 +0100 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <4603DEE1.1030502@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 02:06:25PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > I still have something of a soft spot _Captured Rotation_ (particularly > "The Call", "Ancient Light", "Pre-Med"), though I liked Alan's vocals on > the live Bedouin versions better than Ron Tree's vocals on the studio > albums -- and, indeed, the live Bedouin versions were pretty awesome. > > But I won't start another argument with Mr. Jarrett about whether there > can be archaeopteryx movement in clouds or not ;) :) We never argued about whether there *could* be or not! I merely maintained that since man has never seen an Archaeopteryx move, no-one knows what it would have looked like so it's a metaphor that conveys nothing. Except that you can get the word `Archaeopteryx' to scan, which is fair enough :-) It is possible that I had been drinking at that time yer honner. Yours, Jon ObCassette: U2 - _Under a Blood Red Sky_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 8 18:25:22 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:25:22 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock and Electronic Cottage Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 8, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #173), and The Electronic Cottage (show #25). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #173) The Other Window - "Asteroid" (from Transition) Seven That Spells & Kawabata Makoto - "live in SC GALERIJA, Zagreb, 16.02.2007" (unreleased) Alan Davey - "Delusions of Ganja" (from Human on the Outside) Quarkspace - "Flight of the Architect" (from forthcoming Spacefolds 8) Roy G. Biv's Infernal Racket! - "Afro Alien Babies" (from Myspace site) Enormous - "Command Performance" (from upcoming album Multiminchia) Roger Powell - "Peaceful Uprising" (from Fossil Poets) Nekropolis - excerpt (from yet to be released Molokko Plus) The Aurapool - "Seeker" (from Live at Everglades Awareness Concert) Cosmic Nomads - "Another World" (from Vultress) Starcruisers - "Space Pirates" (from Marooned) Abramis Brama - "Kall som sten" (from Live!) The Electronic Cottage (show #25) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. Alpha Wave Movement - "Distant Nebula" (from The Regions Between) Graffiti 61 - "A3" (from Alienation) Paramutual Operator - "Voltage Saturday" (from Lucid Dreaming) The Analog Synthesizer Ensemble - "Space Docking" (from Stoned Space Jams) Hans Fjellestad - "Love Dart" (from Snails R Sexy) Dr. Tuborg - "Sprirals" (from The Puppetry of the Gods and Human Lightening) Scotty Griffith - "Bent Julep" (from Curare) Alien Tech - "Thereminoid" (from Theremin Fantasies) Alien Planetscapes - Track 3: April 1988 (from Transmitting From Brooklyn & Boston) Dark Energy - "Cotopaxi" (from Interstellar Pianos) Amongst Myselves - "Southern Lights" (from Auburn Silhouette) Psychic Space Invasion - "Tenalist" (from Pendulum) http://Aural-Innovations.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Apr 8 23:43:26 2007 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:43:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <20070402233423.GA23508@plutonia.com> Message-ID: I finally saw the documentary tonight and really liked it. At the end of it the announcer says something like: And now for and unscheduled surprise; Hawkwind Silver Machine. What was this? Did anyone see it? Is it fantastic? Is this file uploaded somewhere as well. Soory if this has been asked a bunch already. In the documentary Ron Tree has really aged! Take care, Chris R. www.chrisr.net From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 9 17:48:45 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:48:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: IQ and adult income In-Reply-To: <200704051626.l35GQqZU007644@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Given the Pareto-like distribution of income (poor old Pareto!), it is apparent that any attempt to map income against IQ is based on what is, in statistical terms, probably an almost insignificant number of samples. This rather throws into doubt any attempt to proclaim a strong correlation between IQ and income. Also, one needs to be very careful when discussing this topic as there are significant cultural and national variations that can have severe affects on the outcomes. In other words, the correlation, such as it is, is very different in different cultures and countries. M Holmes wrote: Gordon Hundley writes: > On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:16 AM, M Holmes wrote: > > > Also since the > > more bright someone is, the better they're paid (60% correlation or > > thereabouts?) > Heh, that seems unlikely Huh? I'd have thought that it seems pretty obvious. Because of a squaring effect though, that 60% correlation means that IQ would predict only just over a third of income variation. > but if you have a reference for that I'd be > interested to see it, since income distribution is often described by > a pareto curve. I think I last saw a reference in one of Prof Kanazawa's evolutionary psychology papers, but the correlation is so well known in IQ research as to be unremarkable. I'm sure there'll be copious references in anything to do with Herrnstein and Murray's work on The Bell Curve too. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/methodologyInstitute/pdf/SKanazawa/I2006.pdf More detailed info in the APA review of the state of IQ research after the Bell Curve controversy: http://www.michna.com/intelligence.htm Short form: IQ (at age 8, and even to an extent at age 2) has quite a lot to do with how many years in education you'll spend, what you'll do when you grow up, and how much you'll earn. Having well-off parents helps a bit too, but not as much as being smart. On the other hand, it's a long way from determinism too. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 10 05:39:05 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:39:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Chris Raymond's message of Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: Chris Raymond writes: > I finally saw the documentary tonight and really liked it. At the end of it > the announcer says something like: And now for and unscheduled surprise; > Hawkwind Silver Machine. > > What was this? ToTP Silver Machine. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 10 08:15:31 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 09/04/2007 04:43, Chris Raymond wrote: > In the documentary Ron Tree has really aged! He didn't look _that_ young and fresh the last time I saw him up close in the 90s. I suspect some of his ... recreational pursuits may be a factor ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 10 08:20:36 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:20:36 +0100 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <20070406165830.GH3943@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 06/04/2007 17:58, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> But I won't start another argument with Mr. Jarrett about whether there >> can be archaeopteryx movement in clouds or not ;) :) > > We never argued about whether there *could* be or not! I merely > maintained that since man has never seen an Archaeopteryx move, no-one > knows what it would have looked like And I will heroically (but yet, pointlessly :) maintain that since no one has seen an Archaeopteryx move, we couldn't necessarily be sure that a given movement (perhaps especially in clouds) was not an Archaeopteryx movement, so I'll give Alan (and Ron) the benefit of the doubt. (Perhaps unwarrantedly trusting of me .... ;) > so it's a metaphor that conveys > nothing. Ah! Perhaps that itself is the message! The cloud of unknowing ..... > Except that you can get the word `Archaeopteryx' to scan, which > is fair enough :-) No mean feat! > It is possible that I had been drinking at that time yer honner. And may the goods bless you for it! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 10 09:42:07 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:42:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <461B7FE3.3000303@carlaz.com> Message-ID: He looked a lot better last Wednesday:). Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 09/04/2007 04:43, Chris Raymond wrote: > In the documentary Ron Tree has really aged! He didn't look _that_ young and fresh the last time I saw him up close in the 90s. I suspect some of his ... recreational pursuits may be a factor ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Apr 10 10:32:48 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:48 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK gig reminder: Mexicali Blues, Teaneck, NJ this Thursday; April 12th Message-ID: All the details available at: ( taper friendly venue ) http://www.freemusicianlist.com/BandDetails.asp?PBandName=SLOTERDIJK or http://www.mexicalibluescafe.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Apr 11 10:17:29 2007 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:17:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: new BOC anniversary shirt Message-ID: For those inclined to buy BOCshirts, check out blueoystercult.com. A new limited run garment to celebrate the 35th year of the group's existence. I don't like the design -- it just doesn't say "35 years of being BOC" style-wise. it reminds me of a softball team. I wish that their news page would be updated more frequently... perhaps a note to fans that Allen L. may not be at shows and an address to send well wishings, etc.? J. From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Apr 11 10:27:26 2007 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:27:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: new BOC anniversary shirt Message-ID: >>> js3619 at ACMENET.NET 4/11/2007 10:17 AM >>> I wish that their news page would be updated more frequently... perhaps a note to fans that Allen L. may not be at shows and an address to send well wishings, etc.? Good point! There are a few shows coming up that I could drive to, but I'm not interested in just seeing Buck and Eric. Unless I'm sure Allen's on board, I'll probably stay home. BTW, Jason, are you going to the Northern Lights gig? theo From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Wed Apr 11 10:53:34 2007 From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:53:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: new BOC anniversary shirt In-Reply-To: <20070411101729.xrtt056dkwco8k80@webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Shame they don't offer them in "grown up" sizes, at least a large (I need X-Large), but small and medium seem a bit limiting. --EF On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:17:29 -0400, Jason M. Scruton wrote: > For those inclined to buy BOCshirts, check out blueoystercult.com. > > A new limited run garment to celebrate the 35th year of the group's > existence. > I don't like the design -- it just doesn't say "35 years of being BOC" > style-wise. it reminds me of a softball team. > > > I wish that their news page would be updated more frequently... perhaps > a note to fans that Allen L. may not be at shows and an address to send > well wishings, etc.? > > J. -- "Until Further Notice I am Unique!" From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 10 15:48:26 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:48:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: well.... the 'totem pole' pic in Ian Abraham's book shows mr. Tree grinning and he actually has rotten/missing front teeth (and a cool sid vicious tattoo on his hand too!!) - who said the life of Hawkwind punkrockers was kind on the physique!!! christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Colin Allen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 10 April, 2007 3:42:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary He looked a lot better last Wednesday:). Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 09/04/2007 04:43, Chris Raymond wrote: > In the documentary Ron Tree has really aged! He didn't look _that_ young and fresh the last time I saw him up close in the 90s. I suspect some of his ... recreational pursuits may be a factor ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Apr 11 11:11:33 2007 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:11:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: new BOC anniversary shirt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Ted Jackson : > BTW, Jason, are you going to the Northern Lights gig? As the magic 8 ball once said, "all signs point to yes." I thik the last show of theirs I caught was in Utica when the guitarist from moe. joined them on stage. When was that, 2002? J. NP: Bevis Frond, London Stone From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Apr 11 11:33:41 2007 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:33:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: new BOC anniversary shirt Message-ID: >>> js3619 at ACMENET.NET 4/11/2007 11:11 AM >>> Quoting Ted Jackson : > BTW, Jason, are you going to the Northern Lights gig? As the magic 8 ball once said, "all signs point to yes." I thik the last show of theirs I caught was in Utica when the guitarist from moe. joined them on stage. When was that, 2002? I remember that show! It was a while ago, that's for sure. I remember Al was def. up on his B?C. He could fill in for Buck in an emergency... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 11 16:25:24 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:25:24 +0100 Subject: HW: support act for tour? In-Reply-To: <453CCF1D.506@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 03:18:05PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > >On 23/10/2006 14:34, Wright, Mike wrote: > >>Does anyone know who the support will be for the tour, or will it > >>change. At northampton it says > >>Confirmed Support from. . . . LASTWINDmusic > >> is the working name of > >>Paul Hayles, composer, arranger and producer of music. > > Mmm, yeah, further to all that: http://www.myspace.com/lastwind Having finally remembered to give that site the once-over, I have to say I'm not as sorry as I could be that I missed that gig now :-/ I'm glad he's having fun and so on, but `inconsequential' is about the best I can manage as an opinion. But the site in general does make it sound as if he's having fun, which is good. Yours, Jon ObWebcast: Hawkwind @ Roadburn 2006 -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 11 18:55:24 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:55:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Oresund Space Collective In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:13:18AM +0200, SHLL (Scott Heller) typed out: > I don't mean to waste space with promoting my band but we just got a > review and the reviewer really thinks we sound a lot like Hawkwind, > apparently... If those of you who have the CD could comment (privately > is ok), I would be curious.. I don't have the CD, but it seemed to me from the review that the reviewer lacked comparison points. He asks how one can review spacerock without making a Hawkwind comparison at one point, and that is kind of his weakness. Apart from one reference to the California Guitar Trio, his checkpoints are Hendrix (once), Pink Floyd (once or twice), the Grateful Dead (once or twice) and the Doors (a lot--does this mean those track involved actual organ lines perhaps?), and Hawkwind (the rest). I don't know how you'd avoid a Hawkwind comparison at that rate. I would have said a more pointed comparison, at least on the basis of the material that was up for download on the OSC site last year because I haven't caught up with the new stuff yet, sorry, would be the laid-back bits of Ozric Tentacles. Not the US space-jazz stuff so much, because the improvised nature tends to mean that there is a steady rhythm and a slow progression, rather than the abrupt transitions of Alien Planetscapes or the planned patterning of Quarkspace. Otherwise I think I'd resort to descriptions like `chilled-out Dead with more synths' before I got to Hawkwind, because the similarities are really only clear with the jams on the early nineties HW stuff to me. The earlier seventies HW stuff has the same spirit but more aggression and a different sound, and the later stuff is almost all much more song-based. Obviously all reviewers, me included, should listen to much more spacerock :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Ramones - _Pleasant Dreams_ (that'll help!) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 11 18:57:01 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:57:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: new remasters In-Reply-To: <1723275111.20070327080927@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:09:27AM -0400, Warrick Bell typed out: > Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:19:53 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > I am less sure about `Please Hold', mainly because Eric misses > > several of the high notes, and the whole song sounds strained as a > > result in places, but it keeps popping up in my head. > > To me it sounded like it was Alan singing it, which is maybe why there > are missed notes. I seem to recall Al mentioning that one of the > bonus tracks was going to be another Alan vocal. In that case, I take it back and say that's some of the finest singing Allen ever put to record :-) It's probably not necessary to add that I hope he's doing OK, but I do so anyway because electrons are cheap and karma may be expensive... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 11 19:18:26 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:18:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: I thought the first ?SC CD from 2005 sounds like Tangerine Dream (Phaedra) and Ozric Tentacles and a little bit Hawkwind jamming (late 80's/early 90's with Harvey)...... very nice, my regular cigs (aarrgh, me nowadays a former shell of my old TCH induced lifestyle) don't let me experience it full. So who doesen't smoke joints down in Denmark, I wouldnt know, (Nor would Nik Turner hhuhuhuh :) had it not been for the liner notes....... I found out! Hehehe, lead the way to new improvisation station green,,,,,,, Stay Happy! Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 12 April, 2007 12:55:24 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Oresund Space Collective On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:13:18AM +0200, SHLL (Scott Heller) typed out: > I don't mean to waste space with promoting my band but we just got a > review and the reviewer really thinks we sound a lot like Hawkwind, > apparently... If those of you who have the CD could comment (privately > is ok), I would be curious.. I don't have the CD, but it seemed to me from the review that the reviewer lacked comparison points. He asks how one can review spacerock without making a Hawkwind comparison at one point, and that is kind of his weakness. Apart from one reference to the California Guitar Trio, his checkpoints are Hendrix (once), Pink Floyd (once or twice), the Grateful Dead (once or twice) and the Doors (a lot--does this mean those track involved actual organ lines perhaps?), and Hawkwind (the rest). I don't know how you'd avoid a Hawkwind comparison at that rate. I would have said a more pointed comparison, at least on the basis of the material that was up for download on the OSC site last year because I haven't caught up with the new stuff yet, sorry, would be the laid-back bits of Ozric Tentacles. Not the US space-jazz stuff so much, because the improvised nature tends to mean that there is a steady rhythm and a slow progression, rather than the abrupt transitions of Alien Planetscapes or the planned patterning of Quarkspace. Otherwise I think I'd resort to descriptions like `chilled-out Dead with more synths' before I got to Hawkwind, because the similarities are really only clear with the jams on the early nineties HW stuff to me. The earlier seventies HW stuff has the same spirit but more aggression and a different sound, and the later stuff is almost all much more song-based. Obviously all reviewers, me included, should listen to much more spacerock :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Ramones - _Pleasant Dreams_ (that'll help!) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 11 23:35:02 2007 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:35:02 -0700 Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut In-Reply-To: <692180.68455.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We'll miss you! "Kurt Vonnegut, whose dark comic talent and urgent moral vision in novels like ?Slaughterhouse-Five,? ?Cat?s Cradle? and ?God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater? caught the temper of his times and the imagination of a generation, died Wednesday night in Manhattan. He was 84 and had homes in Manhattan and in Sagaponack on Long Island." -------------------------------------------------------------- I just saw him speak here at Ohio State not long ago (six months?). We need more voices like this in the world today. There can never be enough cynicism, until the idiocy of our global society is deconstructed forever. Religious and political institutions all. Crazy-ass utopian anarchistic be me. :) Sorry for the off-topic content, but I'll be back for something on-topic shortly. Nothing about "touts" or whatever you call scalpers over there in Blighty, but something "interesting." :) Grakkl --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 11 23:51:27 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:51:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut Message-ID: Too bad, I am sure he had a humourous way of perceiving his final voyage too..... I am a huge Vonnegut fan and am saddened by such a loss. my first novel of his was "Breakfast Of Champions" and I was soon into just about everything he had written - a genious of a satirist on society and a unique and outrageous humour and writing style. I even travelled to Dresden to see the ruins described in "Slaughter House Five" - and of course Grateful Dead's publishing company was named after "Cat's Cradle"'s "Ice Nine".... Kurt Vonnegut R.I.P. Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Keith Henderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 12 April, 2007 5:35:02 AM Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut We'll miss you! "Kurt Vonnegut, whose dark comic talent and urgent moral vision in novels like ?Slaughterhouse-Five,? ?Cat?s Cradle? and ?God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater? caught the temper of his times and the imagination of a generation, died Wednesday night in Manhattan. He was 84 and had homes in Manhattan and in Sagaponack on Long Island." -------------------------------------------------------------- I just saw him speak here at Ohio State not long ago (six months?). We need more voices like this in the world today. There can never be enough cynicism, until the idiocy of our global society is deconstructed forever. Religious and political institutions all. Crazy-ass utopian anarchistic be me. :) Sorry for the off-topic content, but I'll be back for something on-topic shortly. Nothing about "touts" or whatever you call scalpers over there in Blighty, but something "interesting." :) Grakkl --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 12 05:05:41 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:05:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Oresund Space Collective In-Reply-To: <20070411225524.GA13058@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 11/04/2007 23:55, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:13:18AM +0200, SHLL (Scott Heller) typed out: >> I don't mean to waste space with promoting my band but we just got a >> review and the reviewer really thinks we sound a lot like Hawkwind, >> apparently... If those of you who have the CD could comment (privately >> is ok), I would be curious.. > > I don't have the CD, but it seemed to me from the review that > the reviewer lacked comparison points. He asks how one can review > spacerock without making a Hawkwind comparison at one point, and that is > kind of his weakness. Apart from one reference to the California Guitar > Trio, his checkpoints are Hendrix (once), Pink Floyd (once or twice), > the Grateful Dead (once or twice) and the Doors (a lot--does this mean > those track involved actual organ lines perhaps?), and Hawkwind (the > rest). I don't know how you'd avoid a Hawkwind comparison at that rate. > I would have said a more pointed comparison, at least on the > basis of the material that was up for download on the OSC site last year > because I haven't caught up with the new stuff yet, sorry, would be the > laid-back bits of Ozric Tentacles. I do have the CD, and while it's fair to make reference to Hawkwind in almost any kind of spacerock review, I don't think there are necessarily as many points of similarity as the reviewer hears. And I would actually agree that the Ozrics are a far closer comparison -- quite often, when I hear the intro to an OSC track pop up during random play on my iPod, I think "Hmmm, I don't remember this Ozrics track from its intro", except of course that's because it turns out to be OSC :) And it sounds less like the Ozrics after a minute or two, because OSC is actually flying by the seat of their pants and doesn't do the Gongy-proggy-reggaehead jumps and turns and slips to half-time dub and back that the Ozrics (at their best) tend to do. The Tangerine Dream comparison may be apt, from what I've heard at least -- I've not got a lot of TG, but what I have has some similarity. > Not the US space-jazz stuff so much, > because the improvised nature tends to mean that there is a steady > rhythm and a slow progression, rather than the abrupt transitions of > Alien Planetscapes or the planned patterning of Quarkspace. Otherwise I > think I'd resort to descriptions like `chilled-out Dead with more > synths' before I got to Hawkwind, because the similarities are really > only clear with the jams on the early nineties HW stuff to me. Nah, I am a raging Deadhead (OK, not that raging, because I've seen the raging ones and they're very scary, but still, I've got a lot of Dead :) and I don't seen _that_ much similarity barring the obvious "it's improv over a set of chord changes or sometimes no chord changes" -- but we could make the same observation about Coltrane, and I'm not sure the OSC immediate sounds that much like Coltrane _per se_. The OSC have a much denser, and effected (and synth-heavy) sound than the Dead ever had, and don't have anything like the amount of country-blues in them (unsurprisingly :) to recall the Dead. To make a comparison with bands in the modern US jam band scene ..... I'd say Particle are a more reasonable shot, though OSC are less electronic-oriented than Particle. (Particle have their own tenuous affiliations with the Grateful Dead family, but only tenuous, really ....) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Thu Apr 12 05:20:07 2007 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:20:07 +0100 Subject: HW: support act for tour? In-Reply-To: A<20070411202524.GJ3943@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Actually, he was better live, with more excitement and groove (of course it was louder, which always helps, as long as it is not Motorhead) Mike w -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 03:18:05PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > >On 23/10/2006 14:34, Wright, Mike wrote: > >>Does anyone know who the support will be for the tour, or will it > >>change. At northampton it says Confirmed Support from. . . . > >>LASTWINDmusic is the working name > >>of Paul Hayles, composer, arranger and producer of music. > > Mmm, yeah, further to all that: http://www.myspace.com/lastwind Having finally remembered to give that site the once-over, I have to say I'm not as sorry as I could be that I missed that gig now :-/ I'm glad he's having fun and so on, but `inconsequential' is about the best I can manage as an opinion. But the site in general does make it sound as if he's having fun, which is good. Yours, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFFSITE2007 Full scale MMC and sustainable buildings, four day show and three day conference See www.offsite2007.com and book your tickets now -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. 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Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 12 06:58:23 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:58:23 +0100 Subject: HW: "Human on the Outside" arrived Message-ID: Ah ha! My CD of Alan Davey's _Human on the Outside_ has just arrived! So if any of you are waiting, probably yours will get there soon too :) No sound card in my work computer, so it will be at least tonight before I can give it a spin. Some collaborators on the recordings that I don't immediately recognize, so I'm going to have to hit their web sites too and check 'em out! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 12 09:28:48 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:28:48 +0000 Subject: HW: "Human on the Outside" arrived Message-ID: .....well I have to place carl under arrest here in BOC-L zone for peeking before listening :-) Its like a drug club! arrested for crack! "a partial male black and a spanish speaker" NP: Cypress Hill ----- Original Message ---- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 12 April, 2007 12:58:23 PM Subject: HW: "Human on the Outside" arrived Ah ha! My CD of Alan Davey's _Human on the Outside_ has just arrived! So if any of you are waiting, probably yours will get there soon too :) No sound card in my work computer, so it will be at least tonight before I can give it a spin. Some collaborators on the recordings that I don't immediately recognize, so I'm going to have to hit their web sites too and check 'em out! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From management at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Apr 12 15:53:03 2007 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:53:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfest 2007 info Message-ID: Hello Folks! By popular request, we are staging another Hawkfest this year. It will be run along the same principles of past Hawkfests i.e. family friendly with lots of things to keep the kids occupied while the parents relax and listen to music of all genres.....We hope to provide something for everyone. As well as the music, we have a children's area with rides, workshops (a jazz workshop run by Ken Colyer's Legacy New Orleans Jazz band, hopefully forming a band of children to play on the stage with the Ken Colyer legacy band later in the day, a drum workshop, a rock music workshop, circus skills workshop etc etc), interesting stalls, fairies and plenty of food and drink outlets..(We will be keeping bar prices down to normal bar prices and will offer a wide range of real ales, beers, lagers, organic wines, organic juices, fizzy drinks and cocktails) The festival has a campsite with full facilities, showers, toilets and a limited amount of electric hook-ups (please request electric when booking). Dogs are welcome, but they must be well behaved and bring responsible owners :-). They will be allowed on the campsite, but not in the Big Top or in hotel buildings. There will be a general store on site, selling practical items and camping necessities.. Music will begin at around 12pm everyday (except Friday where it will begin around 2pm) and run through to midnight on the main stage and later on the inside stages. On Sunday afternoon, there will be a very special wedding followed by a masqued ball in the evening........we ask any of you who would like to help us celebrate, to get into the spirit and bring clothes to dress up in! Hawkwind will play on Saturday night, but the Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind will play on Sunday night, so expect a few surprises and guest appearances for that one :-) The musical line up is coming together nicely, a good selection from space rock, to rock, to dance, to punk, to jazz, jive and blues!.....we think we have most areas covered.. Tickets are being printed at the moment and will be sent out soon... Hawkfest 2007 tickets available from www.hawkfest.com More news will be posted here when it is available. TTFN The Hawkfest Team From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 13 04:51:59 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:51:59 +0100 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <169322.440.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 02:26:06PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > Those are also my 3 favorite tracks off Captured Rotation! Rousing stuff..... > > Must be that Ron Tree got the vocals on the best songs...... Those are the only three with vocals, of course, save `Thunderbird's rather strange echoey noises. Perhaps Alan asked Ron to put words to the three best pieces... > Speaking of Tree, I've been listening to the Bajina disc alot recently > and its really good, didn't like it much first time I heard it but now > I've actually discovered there were actual *songs* on it, not just a > bunch of industrial noises (though that stuff has its charm too...) I have to give that another listen. Mike Coleman's review of it had me quite excited (yes, that was a long time ago) and when I finally got it it wasn't quite what I'd expected. The industrial noises and the songs could have used being integrated a bit more, but for a scratch band it's a prety good set. Mainly I wish that Ron hadn't gone on about how `mad' they all were so much, as his playing doesn't live up to the spirit of chaos he seemed to be trying to invoke... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 13 05:13:33 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:13:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut In-Reply-To: <94199.99446.qm@web33214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A giant of our times was Kurt -- even though quite a lot of his times were before mine. His books blew my mind when I was a teenager (like they probably did for a lot of people here) and I just ripped through them one after another. He won't be forgotten! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Apr 13 05:51:11 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:51:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut In-Reply-To: <461F49BD.7040909@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:13:33 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > A giant of our times was Kurt -- even though quite a lot of his > times were before mine. That's for sure. > He won't be forgotten! I'm not too sure about that. Collective memory is a bizarre thing. He may already be forgotten in ten years time. Which would be a shame, of course. Gr, Arjan H From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 13 07:09:52 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: new remasters In-Reply-To: <4607F84B.8040604@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 05:43:55PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Hey, I mean, I like ETL all right -- it was one of the first BOC albums > I actually owned -- but I'm not sure it deserves remastering as much as > does OYF. I would agree with that, but on the other hand, I think it needs it much more. OYF is a bit `live'-sounding, yes, but ETL suffers badly from 80s production values IMO, brash metal and concrete sounds if you know what I mean, and as I guess the original sets didn't sound so overclocked, I'd hope a remaster of that album might reveal hidden quality, whereas on OYF we can hear the quality already :-) Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From management at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Apr 13 15:21:38 2007 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:21:38 +0100 Subject: HW; Hawkfest Auction Message-ID: Hello Folks! We are thinking about setting up an auction for Hawkfest..... Pictures of lots of rare and collectable items would be uploaded to our new Hawkfest website, where bids would be accepted, then the final auction would be at Hawkfest itself... Marie from Chaos Illumination (who has a huge knowledge of eBay auctions), has agreed to be our auctioneer on the day :-) The auction would be open to anyone to buy or sell............. We thought that this would be a good opportunity for collectors and owners of rare Hawkwind related stuff, to come together. At the moment, this is just an idea.......feedback welcome to let us know if it is worth going ahead.. Let us know your thoughts Best wishes The Hawkfest team From management at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Apr 13 15:25:51 2007 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:25:51 +0100 Subject: Fw: HW: Hawkfest Auction Message-ID: > Hello Folks! > > We are thinking about setting up an auction for Hawkfest..... > Pictures of lots of rare and collectable items would be uploaded to our > new Hawkfest website, where bids would be accepted, then the final auction > would be at Hawkfest itself... > Marie from Chaos Illumination (who has a huge knowledge of eBay auctions), > has agreed to be our auctioneer on the day :-) > The auction would be open to anyone to buy or sell............. > We thought that this would be a good opportunity for collectors and owners > of rare Hawkwind related stuff, to come together. > At the moment, this is just an idea.......feedback welcome to let us know > if it is worth going ahead.. > > Let us know your thoughts > > Best wishes > > The Hawkfest team > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 13 17:29:24 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:29:24 +0000 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 02:26:06PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > Those are also my 3 favorite tracks off Captured Rotation! Rousing stuff..... > > Must be that Ron Tree got the vocals on the best songs...... >>>>> Those are the only three with vocals, of course, save `Thunderbird's rather strange echoey noises. Perhaps Alan asked Ron to put words to the three best pieces... Thats what I meant :) > Speaking of Tree, I've been listening to the Bajina disc alot recently > and its really good, didn't like it much first time I heard it but now > I've actually discovered there were actual *songs* on it, not just a > bunch of industrial noises (though that stuff has its charm too...) >>>> I have to give that another listen. Mike Coleman's review of it had me quite excited (yes, that was a long time ago) and when I finally got it it wasn't quite what I'd expected. The industrial noises and the songs could have used being integrated a bit more, but for a scratch band it's a prety good set. Mainly I wish that Ron hadn't gone on about how `mad' they all were so much, as his playing doesn't live up to the spirit of chaos he seemed to be trying to invoke... Yours, Jon Yes, Mike Coleman was the one who gave it a rave review...... took me years to find Judge Trev's mailorder source though. christian NP: First Band From Outer Space - "We're Only In It For The Spacerock" ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 13 17:40:52 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:40:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Oresund Space Collective Message-ID: Carl wrote: >>>>Nah, I am a raging Deadhead (OK, not that raging, because I've seen the raging ones and they're very scary, but still, I've got a lot of Dead :) and I don't seen _that_ much similarity barring the obvious "it's improv over a set of chord changes or sometimes no chord changes" -- but we could make the same observation about Coltrane, and I'm not sure the OSC immediate sounds that much like Coltrane _per se_. The OSC have a much denser, and effected (and synth-heavy) sound than the Dead ever had, and don't have anything like the amount of country-blues in them (unsurprisingly :) to recall the Dead. thats what I thought too - way too much synth progressions/sequencing but as far as the jamming goes, more like GD than HW if you ask me, not the heavy "bang bang slam" guitar of HW but more of the "twinklyness" of GD guitars :-) Christian ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Apr 14 11:54:23 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:54:23 +0100 Subject: HW; Hawkfest Auction In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:21:38 +0100 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > Hello Folks! > We are thinking about setting up an auction for Hawkfest..... > Pictures of lots of rare and collectable items would be uploaded to > our new Hawkfest website, where bids would be accepted, then the final > auction would be at Hawkfest itself... Marie from Chaos Illumination > (who has a huge knowledge of eBay auctions), has agreed to be our > auctioneer on the day :-) The auction would be open to anyone to buy > or sell............. We thought that this would be a good opportunity > for collectors and owners of rare Hawkwind related stuff, to come > together. At the moment, this is just an idea.......feedback welcome > to let us know if it is worth going ahead.. > Let us know your thoughts Heh. I'll bring my chequebook.... From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 14 13:23:30 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:23:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: RIP, Kurt Vonnegut In-Reply-To: <20070413093855.M92822@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: We read "Slaughterhouse 5" in my last American Lit class in 2005. Don't think that Vonnegut will be forgotten too soon. Arjan Hulsebos wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:13:33 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote > A giant of our times was Kurt -- even though quite a lot of his > times were before mine. That's for sure. > He won't be forgotten! I'm not too sure about that. Collective memory is a bizarre thing. He may already be forgotten in ten years time. Which would be a shame, of course. Gr, Arjan H --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 15 01:29:35 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:29:35 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Alchemical Radio show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 15, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOW I've just uploaded a new show from The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #13). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #13) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Psychedelia, Space Rock, Progressive Rock and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) Saul Zonana - All Together Now The Bitter Little Cider Apples - BLCA Adrian - Down In The Desert Basement 3 - Half Life The Lucky Bishops - Life In Hell The Ozric Tentacles - Erpland Clear Blue Sky - Picture Puzzl Steven J - Finger On The Trigger Neosoreskin - Nobody Likes Our New Songs The Lucky Bishops - You Come Alive Colin Cross - 2020 Paul Rose - Persona Basement 3 - Face To Face Tidal Flood - The Mahaya Puzzle Mostly Autumn - We Come And We Go Mountain Mirrors - Voice With Vine Sweetland http://Aural-Innovations.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Apr 14 19:17:49 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:17:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tory Z Starbuck Message-ID: well this has been a Hawkwindesqe experience for quite some time and I thought I'd share it on this list, the CDR release "Androidal Tissue" by Tory Z Starbuck is quite excellent and I am getting "Seahorse & The Seraphim" from CDBaby (plus my first Brain Surgeons CDs! Yayyy! and some MC5, Bad Brains and Suicide stuff too - NYC is the place!) - well, check out Tory Z Starbuck either on CDBaby and sample some of his stuff at Soundclick.com - he describes his stuff as derivative of Legendary Pink Dots all the time but I don't hear it so much, a little bit maybe but more droney like Hawkwind, he draws also influences from ENo/Bowie and Pink Floyd he says maybe not so much Floyd I hear though. Kinda nice stuff! Recommended....... Christian NP: Tory Z Starbuck "Androidal Tissue" ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Apr 15 22:01:05 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:01:05 -0400 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <20070413085157.GD13058@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:51:59AM +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > I have to give that another listen. Mike Coleman's review of it > had me quite excited (yes, that was a long time ago) and when I finally > got it it wasn't quite what I'd expected. The industrial noises and the > songs could have used being integrated a bit more, but for a scratch > band it's a prety good set. Mainly I wish that Ron hadn't gone on about > how `mad' they all were so much, as his playing doesn't live up to the > spirit of chaos he seemed to be trying to invoke... Yours, Weirdly, one of the fondest memories I have of live music: Hawkwind playing the NYC Limelight years ago, and during an instrumental sequence, Ron Tree, covered in green paint, clearly stoned out of his mind, wandering out onto the stage and wrapping his arms around the mic stand while red lights washed over him. It was somehow surreally perfect... Steve From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Apr 16 06:18:49 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:18:49 +0000 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! Message-ID: I was also at that show (NYC 95) - I remembering wondering 'who the hell is the new singer???' "Ron Bastard"!!! hehe, it was an awesome show, and I still have the posters I bought there on my wall. I remember the Devo videos they were showing by the entrance, and have fond memories of that show in general....... Christian Weirdly, one of the fondest memories I have of live music: Hawkwind playing the NYC Limelight years ago, and during an instrumental sequence, Ron Tree, covered in green paint, clearly stoned out of his mind, wandering out onto the stage and wrapping his arms around the mic stand while red lights washed over him. It was somehow surreally perfect... Steve ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 16 08:58:13 2007 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:58:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim's liberty In-Reply-To: <000401c76c98$17d803d0$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: The burden of proof is on the Innocent not the guilty in Napoleonic law. He had to prove he was Innocent not them prove he was guilty. So it probably is a compromise over the jail term. He was under the influence regardless of his guilt in the medical and property damages in the accident. However I'll take my Anglo-Saxon innocent till proven guilty any day lol. Mike http://corwyn.blogspot.com the blog http://www.mikemontfort.com the pics http://www.myspace.com/mikemontfort the myspace http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m220/MikeMontfort/ the photobucket http://www.flickr.com/photos/corwyn/ the flickr site Dave Bottomley wrote: > Hi folks > > Don't know if I'm a bit behind the times with this, but I've just discovered > that Tim Blake has a MySpace page: > > http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile > 00321165> &friendid=100321165 > > For those interested in his ongoing hassles with the authorities, I quote > the following from his blog: > > "It looks as if Tim's Legal Difficulties have been resolved in a compromise > that does not include imprisonement. However, he is to be consigned to > 'House Arrest" for a period of 4 months and a half, starting in april. As a > result, all touring and festival plans seem to be compromised, and > travelling outside of France is totally out of the question untill > September. WE WOULD BE MORE THAN INTERESTED IN RECEIVING WORK ENQUIRIES FROM > SEPTEMBER ONWARDS." > > This is news to me & clearly a much better outcome than many were fearing. > So I guess we should be grateful for that. But I fail to understand what > this "compromise" achieves. And it still implies some degree of guilt on > Tim's part which, as far as I understand the details of the case at least, > is highly questionnable (and that's putting it mildly). > > Of course, it also totally scuppers his chances of appearing at Hawkfest. > > Still, I thought many of you would like to know (if you don't already). > > Cheers > > Dave > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 16 10:18:11 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:18:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim's liberty In-Reply-To: Mike Montfort's message of Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:58:13 -0400 Message-ID: Mike Montfort writes: > However I'll take my Anglo-Saxon innocent till proven guilty any day lol. That's unless of course what you're accused of is being a terrorist. I saw an original of the Magna Carta recently. The notes at the display said that only 4 of the original 40 freedoms guaranteed by the document still exist, and Labour is trying to abolish two of those. FoFP From albert at CELLSUM.COM Mon Apr 16 10:45:00 2007 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:45:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: joe bouchard interview online In-Reply-To: <20070319105955.l3x0kb5w08sk44gg@webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: That is what they shot at the Capital Center in Largo MD to show on the video cube in the center of the hall. It was the first one I had ever seen but now it's pretty standard for arena and places where they have sports events. I think it's a lot better than the 76 video from the same place although the lack of crowd noise is kinda weird. The promoters gave a us a betamax tape of the show after we got paid. Al On Mar 19, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Jason M. Scruton wrote: > http://www.ktyd.com/pages/early.html > > there's a link to the windows media file of a radio interview w/ > him. it starts with the SNL skit, up to the "more cowell" line. > It's interesting and entertaining. > > Also, on the new SEE, my favorite things are the 5 guitar solo, > it's more dramatic an arrangement than the ME262 version. Also, the > riffs that took "ooooh eyes'" place are pretty cool. > > Where did the DVD footage come from? was it in Sony's vaults? or > one of the band/producers? > > Last Q: Has anyone heard any news about how Allen Lanier is faring, > since he's missed a few gigs of late? > > J. > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Apr 16 10:53:33 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:53:33 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK setlist from 'Mexicali Blues' 4/12/07 Message-ID: space intro> Free the Gnome The Thunderbirds Automaton Circle of Eternity Orgone Accululator lineup: Mike Burro: guitar/synth/vocals/programming Jeff Berry: bass/vocals From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Apr 16 12:56:38 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:56:38 -0600 Subject: Tragedy Message-ID: Hello-- Apparently, there were a large number of shootings at Virginia Tech today, with at least 22 people dead. I hope you're OK Paul. Guido From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 16 14:44:23 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:44:23 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <4623AAC6.2010305@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: On 16 Apr 2007, at 5:56 PM, Guido N. Vacano wrote: > Hello-- > > Apparently, there were a large number of shootings at Virginia Tech > today, with at least 22 people dead. I hope you're OK Paul. Thanks for asking. I'm actually in Blighty right now, watching the coverage unfold on BBC News 24. It's just all so bizarre and so horrible. I just can't reconcile it with the cow town I know that's Blacksburg. First day of classes were cancelled because of the Morva killings; my lab building closed for the weekend because of a bomb threat; and now this. :-( Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Apr 16 16:43:18 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:43:18 -0600 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <724CDBAE-3A09-4E46-93EC-13B4A4CEB66E@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Hi Paul-- I'm glad you're not at work today. It is bizarre and horrible, and I cannot understand why people do these things. Of course, we're very aware of the Columbine High School massacre here, but even that starts to pale in comparison to this. Thanks for your email. Guido Paul Mather wrote: > On 16 Apr 2007, at 5:56 PM, Guido N. Vacano wrote: > >> Hello-- >> >> Apparently, there were a large number of shootings at Virginia Tech >> today, with at least 22 people dead. I hope you're OK Paul. > > Thanks for asking. I'm actually in Blighty right now, watching the > coverage unfold on BBC News 24. It's just all so bizarre and so > horrible. I just can't reconcile it with the cow town I know that's > Blacksburg. > > First day of classes were cancelled because of the Morva killings; my > lab building closed for the weekend because of a bomb threat; and now > this. :-( > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Apr 16 17:11:41 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0600 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <4623DFE6.1010605@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Sorry, that last one should have gone to just Paul (if I actually knew how to operate my mail client :-) ). Guido From drgoon at MAC.COM Mon Apr 16 18:28:21 2007 From: drgoon at MAC.COM (Gordon Hundley) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:28:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim's liberty In-Reply-To: <200704161418.l3GEIBwu010012@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2007, at 10:18 AM, M Holmes wrote: > I saw an original of the Magna Carta recently. The notes at the > display > said that only 4 of the original 40 freedoms guaranteed by the > document > still exist, and Labour is trying to abolish two of those. If memory serves, those freedoms were never conferred by the Magna Carta on common people, simply on clergy and nobility. But I follow your point. Gordon. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 17 05:47:00 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:47:00 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: Guido N. Vacano's message of Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:56:38 -0600 Message-ID: Guido N. Vacano writes: > Apparently, there were a large number of shootings at Virginia Tech > today, with at least 22 people dead. I hope you're OK Paul. Curious: Is Virginia a "Shall Issue" state? Are personal firearms banned on campus? Virginia seems like the sort of place I'd expect someone to shoot back long before we got to that number of victims. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 17 07:43:34 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:34 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <200704170947.l3H9l0fR019478@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 17/04/2007 10:47, M Holmes wrote: > Virginia seems like the sort of place I'd expect someone to > shoot back long before we got to that number of victims. Maybe some parts of Virginia, but not the VT campus itself, I think. I think a large section of its student body are not from the "gunrack in the pickup" demographic -- and I'm not sure even those that might be "carry" into their classrooms! VT is only about 3 or 4 hours from either the DC Beltway or the Research Triangle area in NC. I've got a cousin studying chemistry (err, I think it's chemistry! something like that ....) at Virginia Tech. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Apr 17 07:48:06 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:48:06 -0400 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <200704170947.l3H9l0fR019478@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, M Holmes wrote: >Guido N. Vacano writes: > >> Apparently, there were a large number of shootings at Virginia Tech >> today, with at least 22 people dead. I hope you're OK Paul. > >Curious: Is Virginia a "Shall Issue" state? Are personal firearms banned on >campus? Don't know about VT specifically, but government building of all types ban personal firearms in concealed carry states. The VT grads I know have not questioned why no one was carrying on campus. >Virginia seems like the sort of place I'd expect someone to >shoot back long before we got to that number of victims. That's more a Texas/Wild West attitude. Appalachia isn't as handgun-crazy. Just don't try to take their hunting guns from them. It's telling that most of the students dismissed the initial gunfire as construction noises or a video presentation in another classroom. No one reacted until the screaming started, and by then it was pretty much over. Some interesting reports coming out of the morass of media coverage. Some of the doors in the engineering building were apparently chained shut from the inside. The only non-panicky reaction I've heard of so far was in the first room the guy shot up. The shooter left for reasons unknown, and someone had the presence of mind to barricade the door. The other room, the students just started jumping out the windows. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. - Cyril Connolly From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 17 08:11:14 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:11:14 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17/04/2007 12:48, Jean Lansford wrote: > That's more a Texas/Wild West attitude. Appalachia isn't as > handgun-crazy. Just don't try to take their hunting guns from > them. Yeah, while there's a lunatic fringe scattered around the US who think they are in the Wild West, most people in favour of gun-ownership don't -- even the people who are in the "gunrack in the pickup" demographic don't think they're in the Wild West. I think the UK's gun regulations are a bit extreme, but the US's are a bit too liberal. The whole issue over there (in the US) has become way too politicized, to the point where no one who might want to propose sensible legislation can. If there's something good to come out of this tragedy, hopefully it's that moves debate on the gun issue in the US back into slightly more productive areas. Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got the new Alan Davey yet? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 17 09:09:21 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:09:21 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On 17/04/2007 10:47, M Holmes wrote: > > Virginia seems like the sort of place I'd expect someone to > > shoot back long before we got to that number of victims. > Maybe some parts of Virginia, but not the VT campus itself, I think. I > think a large section of its student body are not from the "gunrack in > the pickup" demographic -- and I'm not sure even those that might be > "carry" into their classrooms! I checked on the web. The students are victims of the federal law which makes illegal any gun-carry in educational institutions. It's hardly surprising that the nutters pick on these places when the legislation guarantees them Safety At Work. Compare and contrast with that mall where the would be spree-killer was shot at (and possibly shot) by an out-of-state cop exercising his concealed-carry rights. The folks who penned and voted for that law have blood on their hands too. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 17 09:13:22 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:13:22 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:11:14 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I think the UK's gun regulations are a bit extreme A *bit* extreme??? They're positively barking. The same politicians who'll happily vote for it will of course accept that an armed cop, rather than harsh language, is what protection they deserve if they should come face-to-face with a criminal. > but the US's are a bit too liberal. Maybe. I'd like to see a more stringent training requirement, but I accept that people like Kleck and Mustard can demonstrate that this would make little difference. > The whole issue over there (in > the US) has become way too politicized, to the point where no one who > might want to propose sensible legislation can. If there's something > good to come out of this tragedy, hopefully it's that moves debate on > the gun issue in the US back into slightly more productive areas. Heh. I'll believe it when I see it. FoFP From novadrive at COX.NET Tue Apr 17 10:22:49 2007 From: novadrive at COX.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:22:49 -0700 Subject: Was Tragedy, now it's not In-Reply-To: <4624B962.8040204@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Yes, and wow! Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ... > > Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got > the new Alan Davey yet? :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 17 10:36:12 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:36:12 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. Ian Kevin Sommers wrote: Yes, and wow! Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ... > > Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got > the new Alan Davey yet? :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 17 10:56:47 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:56:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: <656621.81979.qm@web26903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 17/04/2007 15:36, Ian Abrahams wrote: > I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. Yup, this one does nudge itself into distinctly new territories and sounds. I mean, it still sounds like Alan Davey! But while I would have been happy (and unsurprised) to hear more in the vein of Bedouin and Captured Rotation, I was pleasantly pleased (if one can use an expression like that) to hear it going places I hadn't expected :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Apr 17 11:00:17 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:00:17 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <200704171309.l3HD9LZq027659@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 17 Apr 2007, at 2:09 PM, M Holmes wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > >> On 17/04/2007 10:47, M Holmes wrote: >>> Virginia seems like the sort of place I'd expect someone to >>> shoot back long before we got to that number of victims. > >> Maybe some parts of Virginia, but not the VT campus itself, I >> think. I >> think a large section of its student body are not from the >> "gunrack in >> the pickup" demographic -- and I'm not sure even those that might be >> "carry" into their classrooms! > > I checked on the web. The students are victims of the federal law > which > makes illegal any gun-carry in educational institutions. It's hardly > surprising that the nutters pick on these places when the legislation > guarantees them Safety At Work. I didn't want to post on this subject because, being a Virginia Tech student and Blacksburg resident for so long, it cuts a little too close to home. Given Mike's relatively recent e-petition advocating allowing law-abiding civilians to carry firearms, and his expressed desire to be able to shoot it out with "the bad guys," I predicted exactly this kind of response from him. And to each his own, however ill-informed and poorly thought out I (and others) might think it to be. But, being someone who knows Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, and the student body, and who doesn't have to "check on the web" to find out about the place, I can state that, statistically speaking, Mike's utopian fantasy of having classrooms with concealed-carry gun toters seeded about the place, like coiled springs ready to counter any rampaging nutters, is just that: a fantasy. There just aren't enough students with concealed-carry permits---let alone ones who want to bring their guns to class---to make it a viable deterrent, because the possibility of an armed student being in class to shoot back is so low. Get that: it's a VANISHINGLY SMALL probability. With or without such a prohibition, a nutter could still expect "Safety At Work." A possible way to improve the odds is to follow the odious suggestion that came in the wake of the Columbine shootings of mandating that teachers be armed. (All the teachers I know found the suggestion odious, anyway.) It's far from clear to me that "nutters" would be dissuaded from "picking on these places" (as you allege) whether or not there were firearms in class. After all, there are armed police on the campus at all times; there's even a Corps of Cadets at VT. And aren't these nutters, after all? Is someone who is prepared to take his or her own life going to be that much more put off by the thought that some passers by might do it for them, instead? Bonus points to Mike for divining the intent of the gunman in the spectacular absence of proven facts. But why not play the blame game when it's free, eh, Mike? I've read a lot of rumour, speculation, and ill-informed "facts" since yesterday about the town and institution I know and love, and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of hearing news anchors and reporters who can't even get the university's name right tell me how things are having just turned up on the scene looking for an angle to "sex up." Some of it is laughable. The rest of it is just sad. No further postings about this from me. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 17 11:56:47 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:56:47 +0100 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:00:17 +0100 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > But, being someone who knows Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, and the > student body, and who doesn't have to "check on the web" to find out > about the place, I can state that, statistically speaking, Mike's > utopian fantasy of having classrooms with concealed-carry gun toters > seeded about the place, like coiled springs ready to counter any > rampaging nutters, is just that: a fantasy. There just aren't enough > students with concealed-carry permits---let alone ones who want to > bring their guns to class---to make it a viable deterrent, because > the possibility of an armed student being in class to shoot back is > so low. Get that: it's a VANISHINGLY SMALL probability. Hmmm. If it were me, would I prefer a vanishingly small probability of having the rampage stopped or a zero one? That ain't rocket science. There's the mall example too (and I know I have a couple of examples somewhere of US schools where (1) a janitor and (2) a student went to their cars, collected their weapons, and stopped the would-be rampager. Of course at the mall, there were guaranteed adults there and you're almost certainly correct in that more of them would be willing to take on the responsibility of concealed-carry than would students. > With or > without such a prohibition, a nutter could still expect "Safety At > Work." A possible way to improve the odds is to follow the odious > suggestion that came in the wake of the Columbine shootings of > mandating that teachers be armed. (All the teachers I know found the > suggestion odious, anyway.) I can't see what's odious about the idea of teachers protecting the lives of students, but as you say, minds differ. > It's far from clear to me that "nutters" > would be dissuaded from "picking on these places" (as you allege) > whether or not there were firearms in class. I note that they tend to attack schools and post offices rather than army bases and police stations. I suspect that if they were honest, they'd admit that this is because they're rational enough either not to want to be shot, or at least not before they've done what the intended to do. > After all, there are > armed police on the campus at all times; there's even a Corps of > Cadets at VT. And aren't these nutters, after all? Nutters can be pretty shrewd at times. > Is someone who > is prepared to take his or her own life going to be that much more > put off by the thought that some passers by might do it for them, > instead? yes, if they want to go out taking 30 people out with them rather than just be shot. > Bonus points to Mike for divining the intent of the gunman in the > spectacular absence of proven facts. But why not play the blame game > when it's free, eh, Mike? I haven't said I know what the intent was. All I can divine is what anyone can: that he wanted to hurt and kill people. Why he wanted that may well never be known. To be honest I don't care either. My concern is with the victims and that they should be better protected from these criminals. > I've read a lot of rumour, speculation, and ill-informed "facts" > since yesterday about the town and institution I know and love, and > I'm sick of it. That I can understand. My home town has twice been in the attention of the meedja in unpleasant circumstances and not much light emerged from it. FoFP From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Apr 17 12:21:38 2007 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:21:38 -0400 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <4624B962.8040204@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got the new Alan Davey yet? :) Just got my copy in the mail today. Got an email from Sarah last week saying they were getting them from the presser late. J From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue Apr 17 12:21:25 2007 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:21:25 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <200704171556.l3HFulbk029273@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Could we send this topic over to alt.guns.utopianfantasy.wildwildwest, and discuss things relevant to BOC and/or Hawkwind? My apologies for mentioning the shootings in the first place. My intention was not to provide a soapbox, I simply wanted to know if Paul was OK. Thanks, Guido From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Apr 17 12:34:32 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:34:32 -0500 Subject: Tragedy Message-ID: > M Holmes wrote: > > I checked on the web. The students are victims of the federal law which > makes illegal any gun-carry in educational institutions. It's hardly > surprising that the nutters pick on these places when the legislation > guarantees them Safety At Work. Far more likely that there was some specific grudge against someone on campus or perhaps the university as a whole. The gunman's first target in the room we have the most information about was the professor. Whether because he thought the professor more likely to fight back or for some personal reason, we may never know. The same things are now being said of Cho that were said of the Columbine kids in the first few hours: a loner who no one knows much about despite being a senior. Almost all of the school shootings in the US have been by students. Of the ones I can recall that weren't, one was a teacher's ex-boyfriend/stalker who started shooting randomly when he couldn't find his intended target, the Nickel Mines shooting was, as far as we know, a grudge shooting, and one was a pedophile who took several high schools girls hostage. > Compare and contrast with that mall where the would be spree-killer was > shot at (and possibly shot) by an out-of-state cop exercising his > concealed-carry rights. The folks who penned and voted for that law have > blood on their hands too. The odds that a person with sufficient training to react sensibly would be on a campus like VT are vanishingly small. A military veteran is more likely than a cop or former cop, but veteran's college benefits aren't as good as they once were, and they're tending to community colleges more than universities these days. (My classmates during my recent time in a community college included an ex-Marine and two bounty hunters looking to switch to safer work. I pity anyone who tries to cause trouble around them.) We've now heard of two classrooms that tried to bar the doors with varying degrees of success; that's better than I expected, frankly. I doubt this will have much effect on gun laws. More money will be poured into enforcing the existing laws, maybe, but there won't be an expansion of concealed carry laws unless there's another charismatic Rambo wannabe (like the chick in Killeen) who can convince lawmakers that he would have saved them all if he'd only had a gun. It'll be a harder sell on the East Coast, though. I was surprised to learn that the shooter was a resident alien. They're not allowed to buy guns here in NC unless something has changed in the past few years, but at least one of the VT guns appears to have been legally purchased. From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 17 12:49:39 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:49:39 +0000 Subject: Tragedy In-Reply-To: <20070417163432.TDWW884.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: give a nation guns..theres plenty of idiots that are going to use them. Just a shame George W. Bush jnr wasnt on campus. Over here,Gordon Browns facing a vote of no confidence, and an OAP has been sent to jail for ASBO, if youd like to discuss..lol On topic please Peace >From: Jean Lansford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Tragedy >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:34:32 -0500 > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > I checked on the web. The students are victims of the federal law which > > makes illegal any gun-carry in educational institutions. It's hardly > > surprising that the nutters pick on these places when the legislation > > guarantees them Safety At Work. > >Far more likely that there was some specific grudge against someone on >campus or perhaps the university as a whole. The gunman's first target in >the room we have the most information about was the professor. Whether >because he thought the professor more likely to fight back or for some >personal reason, we may never know. The same things are now being said of >Cho that were said of the Columbine kids in the first few hours: a loner >who no one knows much about despite being a senior. > >Almost all of the school shootings in the US have been by students. Of the >ones I can recall that weren't, one was a teacher's ex-boyfriend/stalker >who started shooting randomly when he couldn't find his intended target, >the Nickel Mines shooting was, as far as we know, a grudge shooting, and >one was a pedophile who took several high schools girls hostage. > > > Compare and contrast with that mall where the would be spree-killer was > > shot at (and possibly shot) by an out-of-state cop exercising his > > concealed-carry rights. The folks who penned and voted for that law have > > blood on their hands too. > >The odds that a person with sufficient training to react sensibly would be >on a campus like VT are vanishingly small. A military veteran is more >likely than a cop or former cop, but veteran's college benefits aren't as >good as they once were, and they're tending to community colleges more than >universities these days. (My classmates during my recent time in a >community college included an ex-Marine and two bounty hunters looking to >switch to safer work. I pity anyone who tries to cause trouble around >them.) We've now heard of two classrooms that tried to bar the doors with >varying degrees of success; that's better than I expected, frankly. > >I doubt this will have much effect on gun laws. More money will be poured >into enforcing the existing laws, maybe, but there won't be an expansion of >concealed carry laws unless there's another charismatic Rambo wannabe (like >the chick in Killeen) who can convince lawmakers that he would have saved >them all if he'd only had a gun. It'll be a harder sell on the East Coast, >though. I was surprised to learn that the shooter was a resident alien. >They're not allowed to buy guns here in NC unless something has changed in >the past few years, but at least one of the VT guns appears to have been >legally purchased. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 17 14:20:13 2007 From: joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM (Jon Jon) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:20:13 +0000 Subject: Tragedy OFF Message-ID: The thoughts of the late, great bill hicks, in december 1991:"Been to england? no one has handguns in england.... now, in england last year they had just fourteen deaths from handguns. fourteen. Now! United states, i think you know how we feel about handguns. Whoo! I'm getting a warm, tingly feeling just saying the word to be honest with you. I swear to you, I'm hard. 23,000 deaths from handguns.Now.......Let's go through those numbers again cos they're a little baffling at first glance.England, where no one has hand guns: fourteen deaths. United states - and i think you know how we feel about guns; whoo! I'm getting a stiffy - 23,000 deaths from handguns.But there's no connection...... and you'd have to be a fool and a communist to make one. There's no connection between someone having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone....."Taken from 'love all the people', letters, lyrics and routines Jonathan > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:56:47 +0100> From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> Subject: Re: Tragedy> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > Paul Mather writes:> > > But, being someone who knows Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, and the > > student body, and who doesn't have to "check on the web" to find out > > about the place, I can state that, statistically speaking, Mike's > > utopian fantasy of having classrooms with concealed-carry gun toters > > seeded about the place, like coiled springs ready to counter any > > rampaging nutters, is just that: a fantasy. There just aren't enough > > students with concealed-carry permits---let alone ones who want to > > bring their guns to class---to make it a viable deterrent, because > > the possibility of an armed student being in class to shoot back is > > so low. Get that: it's a VANISHINGLY SMALL probability. > > Hmmm. If it were me, would I prefer a vanishingly small probability of> having the rampage stopped or a zero one? That ain't rocket science.> > There's the mall example too (and I know I have a couple of examples> somewhere of US schools where (1) a janitor and (2) a student went to> their cars, collected their weapons, and stopped the would-be rampager.> Of course at the mall, there were guaranteed adults there and you're> almost certainly correct in that more of them would be willing to take> on the responsibility of concealed-carry than would students.> > > With or > > without such a prohibition, a nutter could still expect "Safety At > > Work." A possible way to improve the odds is to follow the odious > > suggestion that came in the wake of the Columbine shootings of > > mandating that teachers be armed. (All the teachers I know found the > > suggestion odious, anyway.)> > I can't see what's odious about the idea of teachers protecting the> lives of students, but as you say, minds differ.> > > It's far from clear to me that "nutters" > > would be dissuaded from "picking on these places" (as you allege) > > whether or not there were firearms in class.> > I note that they tend to attack schools and post offices rather than> army bases and police stations. I suspect that if they were honest,> they'd admit that this is because they're rational enough either not to> want to be shot, or at least not before they've done what the intended> to do.> > > After all, there are > > armed police on the campus at all times; there's even a Corps of > > Cadets at VT. And aren't these nutters, after all? > > Nutters can be pretty shrewd at times.> > > Is someone who > > is prepared to take his or her own life going to be that much more > > put off by the thought that some passers by might do it for them, > > instead?> > yes, if they want to go out taking 30 people out with them rather than just> be shot.> > > Bonus points to Mike for divining the intent of the gunman in the > > spectacular absence of proven facts. But why not play the blame game > > when it's free, eh, Mike?> > I haven't said I know what the intent was. All I can divine is what> anyone can: that he wanted to hurt and kill people. Why he wanted that> may well never be known. To be honest I don't care either. My concern is> with the victims and that they should be better protected from these> criminals. > > > I've read a lot of rumour, speculation, and ill-informed "facts" > > since yesterday about the town and institution I know and love, and > > I'm sick of it. > > That I can understand. My home town has twice been in the attention of> the meedja in unpleasant circumstances and not much light emerged from it.> > FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted From kruch7 at COX.NET Tue Apr 17 14:33:07 2007 From: kruch7 at COX.NET (Joseph Elric Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:33:07 -0400 Subject: Fw: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre Message-ID: Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour WWBYD What would Brigham Young do ? Blog http://www.aeonity.com/arioch http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: AdmrlLocke at aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre If only this Israeli had had a gun on him, he and all the students the murderer killed after killing the Israeli might still be alive today. Virginia state college policy, however, forbids the carrying of arms on college campuses. "Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre by Gil Ronen (April 17th, 2007 c.e.) (IsraelNN.com) As Israel observed Holocaust Day, thousands of miles away, A Rumanian-born Holocaust survivor gave his life in another senseless murder - and apparently in an act of heroism. Among the 32 people killed by a lone gunman at Virginia Tech Monday (April 16th, 2007 c.e.) is 77-year-old engineering professor, Liviu Librescu, a citizen of Israel. According to eyewitness accounts, Librescu ran to the door of his classroom and blocked it with his body ? preventing the gunman from entering but getting shot to death himself as a result. Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old student who had been in Librescu's class in room 204, told a reporter that at 9:05 a.m. the heard screams and a loud banging sound from the next-door classroom. When the students realized it was gunfire, he said, some hid behind tables, and others leapt from the classroom's windows. Calhoun himself was among the last to jump. "Before I jumped from the window, I turned around and looked at the professor, who stayed behind, maybe to block the door. He had been killed." Librescu is survived by his wife of 42 years, Marlena, who was with him in Virginia, and sons Aryeh and Joe who are in Israel. They intend to bury him in Israel. Asael Arad, an Israeli student who visited the widow after the tragedy, told Army Radio Tuesday that Marlena had been receiving e- mails from students who credited Prof. Librescu with saving their lives. "I lost my best friend," the widow told a reporter for NRG at her home near the Blacksburg campus. "He was a great person, who loved teaching more than anything." Marlena said someone had initially informed her that her husband was injured in the shooting. "I looked for him in the hospitals all day but I didn't find him," she said. The Librescus are Rumanian Jews who came on aliyah (immigrated to Israel) in 1978 ? after then-Prime Minister Begin interceded on their behalf with the Rumanian government, according to Marlena. The couple went on a sabbatical to the United States since 1986 and has been living there ever since. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122137 Liviu Librescu Professor Office 318 Norris Hall Blacksburg, VA 24061 540/231-5916 llibresc at vt.edu http://www.esm.vt.edu/~llibresc Interests: Foundation and applications of the modern theory of shells incorporating non-classical effects and composed of advanced composite materials; Foundation of the theory and applications of sandwich type structures; Aeroelastic stability of flight vehicle structures;. Nonlinear aeroelasticity of structures in supersonic and hypersonic flow fields; Aeroelastic and structural tailoring; Dynamic response and instability of elastic and viscoelastic laminated composite structures subjected to deterministic and random loading systems; Mechanical and thermal postbuckling of flat and curved shear-deformable elastic panels; Static, dynamic and aeroelastic feedback control of adaptive structures; Unsteady aerodynamics and magnetoaerodynamics of supersonic flows with applications; Optimization problems of aeroelastic structural systems; Theory of composite thin-walled beams and its application in aeronautical and mechanical constructions; Response and behavior of structures to underwater and in-air explosions; Multifunctional and Functionally Graded material structures. Education: Ph.D., Institute of Fluid Mechanics, Academy of Science of Romania, 1969 M. A. Sc., Polytechnic Institute, Faculty of Aeronautical Engineering, Bucharest, 1953 B.S., Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania, Aeronautical Engineer, 1952 Honors and Awards: 2007 Invited Key Note Lecture at the 17th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 4-7, 2007, Taipei, Taiwan, Joule Heating and its Implications on Crack Detection/Arrest in Electrically Conductive Circular Cylindrical Shells.( Z. Qin, L. Librescu and D. Hasanyan) 2006 Awarded a diploma by the 17th International Conference on Adaptive Structures and Technology for the paper Robust Aeroelastic Control of Composite Aircraft Wings in Incompressible Flow by Yoon, G. C., Na, S. S., Librescu, L., and Baek, S. C., Taiwan, ICAST 2006, October 13-17. 2005 Appointed Chair of the International Organizing Committee of the 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, 2005, Vienna, Austria 2005 Invited Plenary Lecture at the 6th International Congress of Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, 2005, Vienna, Austria "Thin-Walled Beams Used in Turbomachinery and Space Applications Made-Up of Functionally Graded Materials and Operating in a High Temperature Environment: Vibration and Instability" by L. Librescu, S-Y Oh and O. Song 2005 Selected as a member of the Board of Experts of the Italian Ministry of Education, University and Scientific Research 2005 Awarded a diploma by the International Congress on Thermal Stresses, Vienna, Austria, May-June, 2005, ``In recognition for the achievements in the field of Thermal Stresses, for organizing the Fifth International Congress of Thermal Stresses, and for the contributions to the Journal of Thermal Stresses, as an author and as a member of the Editorial Board.'' 2005 Awarded a diploma by the ASME, 20th Biennal Conference on Mechanical Vibration and Noise, Long Beach, CA, September 24-28, 2005 expressing the deep appreciation for the valuable services in advancing the engineering profession.'' 2005 Frank J. Maher Award for Excellence in Engineering Education 2004 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Third European Conference on Structural Control July 12-15. 2004, Vienna, Austria Advances in the Linear/nonlinear Control of Aeroelastic Structural Systems by L. Librescu and P. Marzocca 2003 Member of the Executive Committee of the International Congress of Thermal Stresses, (1999-2003) and re-appointed for (2003- 2007) 2003 General Chair of the 5th International Congress of Thermal Stresses and Related Topics, June 8-11, 2003, Blacksburg, VA 2000 Recipient of the title of Doctor Honoris Causa of the Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania 2000 Elected member of the Academy of Sciences of the Shipbuilding of Ukraine 1999 Recipient of The 1999 Dean's Award for Excellence in Research, College of Engineering VPI&SU 1999 Elected Foreign Fellow of the Academy of Engineering of Armenia 1998 Invited Plenary Lecture at the Session dedicated to the great Italian Scientist Professor Placido Cicala, Torino, June 25, 1998, Italia Aeroelastic Tailoring of Advanced Aircraft Wings Carrying External Stores, with Dr. F. H. Gern 1988 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Second International Conference on Composite Science and Technology, June 9-11, 1998 Durban, South Africa Recent Developments in the Modelling and Behavior of Advanced Sandwich Constructions 1972 Laureate of the prize Traian Vuia of the Romanian Academy of Science Professional Service: Listing in Who's Who Who's Who in America Who's Who in Engineering Who's Who in the World Who's Who in Science and Engineering Member of the Editorial Board of 2007 - Journal of Sound and Vibration 2004 - International Journal of Advanced Materials and Structures 2003 - Journal Mathematical Methods and Physic-Mechanical Fields 1999 - Journal Thin-Walled Structures 1998 - Journal of Thermal Stresses 1997 - International Journal of Non-Linear Mechanics 1975 - Solid Mechanics Archives Guest Editor for the Special Issues of the Journals 2006 - Journal of Mathematical Engineering (issues devoted to Thermomechanical Problems) 2004 - International of Mechanics of Advanced Materials and Structures, Vol. 11, Nos. 4-5, Part I & II 2001 - Composite Structures, Vol. 52, 1, 2001 2001 - Thin-Walled Structures, Special Issue - New Advances in the Modelling and Application of Smart Thin-Walled Structures, Vol. 39, 1, 2001 2000 - Composites Engineering, Part B, Vol. 32, 3, 2000 Chair of the International Organizing Committee of 2005 - 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05, May 26- 29, Vienna, Austria Co-Chair of the International Organizing Committee of 2007 - 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses June 4-7, Taipei, Taiwan 2005 - Mechanical Engineering and Mechanics, October 26-28, Nanjing, China Member of the International Advisory Board of 2007 - Second International Symposium on Design Modelling and Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DEMEASS II, October 14-17, Bad Herrenalb, Germany 2007 - Organizing Committee of the 70th Birthday of Jozef Ignaczak Symposium at the 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, Juen 4-7, Taipei, Taiwan 2006 - 2nd International Congress on Computational Mechanics and simulation (ICCM-06), December 8-10, Indian Institute of Technology, Guwahati,-781039, India 2006 - 1st International Symposium on Design Modelling and Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DeMEASS I, June 10-12, Bardonecchia (Turin), Italy 2004 - 1st International Congress on Computational Mechanics and Simulation, IIT Kanpur, December 9-12, India 2004 - 2nd International Conference on Structural Engineering, Mechanics and Computation, July 5-7, Cape Town, South Africa 2003 - 2nd International Conference on Applied Mechanics and Materials (ICAMM 2003), January 21-23, Durban, South Africa 1998 - 2nd Interntional Conference on Composite Science and Technology, June 9-11, Durban, South Africa 1996 - 1st International Conference, Composite Science Technology, June 18-20, Durham, South Africa Member of the International Organizing Committee of 2005 - 6th International Congress of Thermal Stresses, May 26-29, Wien, Austria 2001 - 4th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 8-11, Osaka, Japan 1999 - 3rd International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 13-17, Cracow, Poland 1982 thru 1985 - Israel National Conference on Aviation and Astronautics Recent Publications: G. Polli, L. Librescu and F. Mastroddi, Aeroelastic Response of Composite Aircraft Swept Wings Impacted by a Laser Beam, AIAA, Vol. 33, No, 2, pp. 382-391, 2006 Na, S. S., Librescu, L., Rim, S. N. and Yoon, G. C., Vibration and Dynamic Response Control of Non-Unifom Composite Rotating Blades, International Journal of Rotating Machinery, 2006, ID 13807, pp. 1- 9, 2006 Librescu, L., Oh, S-Y. and Hohe, J., Dynamic Response of Anisotropic Sandwich Flat Panels to Underwater and In-Air Explosions, International Journal of Solids and Structures, Vol. 43, No. 13, pp. 3794-3816, June, 2006 Hause, T. and Librescu, L., Flexural Free Vibration of Sandwich Flat Panels with Laminated Anisotropic Face Sheets, Journal of Sound and Vibration, Vol. 297, Nos. 3-5, pp. 823-841, 2006 Librescu, L. and Song, O., Composite Thin-Walled Beams: Theory and Application, Springer, 615, 2005 Full listing Courses taught: ESM 3154, Solid Mechanics, Spring 2007. ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2007. ESM 5994, Research and Thesis, Spring 2007. ESM 7994, Research and Dissertation, Spring 2007. ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2006. ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2005. ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2005. ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2005. ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2004. ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2004. ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2003. http://www.esm.vt.edu/php/person.php?id=10023 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Poker games Air hockey game Online games Games Game design college Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.0/763 - Release Date: 4/16/2007 5:53 PM From ben at TMK.COM Tue Apr 17 16:00:24 2007 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:00:24 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Time to retire this thread... [Was Re: OFF: Re: Tragedy] In-Reply-To: <4624F405.6080409@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:21:25AM -0600, Guido N. Vacano wrote: > Could we send this topic over to alt.guns.utopianfantasy.wildwildwest, > and discuss things relevant to BOC and/or Hawkwind? My apologies for > mentioning the shootings in the first place. My intention was not to > provide a soapbox, I simply wanted to know if Paul was OK. I'm with Guido here. To the extent that there's any need to discuss whether individuals associated with the list (or known to people associated with the list) are ok, that's fine. However, let's leave the politics of guns and gun control for other fora? Thanks, Ben From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 17 17:24:39 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:24:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: <467509.68039.qm@web23211.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:31:05PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > Assuming my usual role as filler-in of setlist gaps, the "slow almost-pastoral piece > dominated by a two-chord organ line" was Planetfall, the title track of the new album. Aha, thankyou. I've been trying to figure this out now, how many new tracks I've seen since the last album came out. I make it: Destroy the Mothership! The Tempest Planetfall Under the Sign Helios Psychic Projection Far Beyond and a rather worrying prog dirge with Marek singing that as far as I know they only did once then dropped like a stone, and wisely so Two of those songs have to be nearly ten minutes each (`Under the Sign' and `Far Beyond') and I can't see any except `Mothership' and `Helios' being much less than five, and Martin told me there's one track so far unplayed which is longer even than `Stone Oscillator'. It's going to be a full CD... When's it coming out, Colin? when's it coming out? Yours, Jon ObCD: Comets on Fire - _Blue Cathedral_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From novadrive at COX.NET Tue Apr 17 18:35:24 2007 From: novadrive at COX.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:35:24 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: <4624E02F.7040903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Funk meets Lounge meets Skinny Puppy meets Zappa meets some things you'd "expect"... And these are just my first impressions, gotta give it a "proper" listen. And the cover's not half-bad either (cough, cough). Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17/04/2007 15:36, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, >> particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his >> work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. > > Yup, this one does nudge itself into distinctly new territories and > sounds. I mean, it still sounds like Alan Davey! But while I > would have been happy (and unsurprised) to hear more in the vein of > Bedouin and Captured Rotation, I was pleasantly pleased (if one can > use an expression like that) to hear it going places I hadn't > expected :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Apr 17 18:42:48 2007 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:42:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: I just got my copy in the mail yesterday. I listened to it twice and I am quite impressed. The mix of awesome and groovy bass lines mixed with great synth sounds makes it a winner for me. And, the cover is great!!! L.A. Dan -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Kevin Sommers Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey CD Funk meets Lounge meets Skinny Puppy meets Zappa meets some things you'd "expect"... And these are just my first impressions, gotta give it a "proper" listen. And the cover's not half-bad either (cough, cough). Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17/04/2007 15:36, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, >> particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his >> work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. > > Yup, this one does nudge itself into distinctly new territories and > sounds. I mean, it still sounds like Alan Davey! But while I > would have been happy (and unsurprised) to hear more in the vein of > Bedouin and Captured Rotation, I was pleasantly pleased (if one can > use an expression like that) to hear it going places I hadn't > expected :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 18 04:06:54 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:06:54 +0100 Subject: NIK: ICU at the Standard, May 11th (was HW: Do Not Panic documentary) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:31:24PM +0100, trev typed out: > I myself will use my own body to barricade the entrance to this den of > iniquity, disregarding any hurt or wound, in order to prevent the misguided > from entering the Standard in Walthamstow (1 Blackhorse Lane E17 6DS) on > May 11th to see Inner City Unit and Litmus corrupt the minds of the > innocent. > > judge whitehouse Well, I was going to come along before (not having that much innocence to risk, by now), but this I have to see :-) I seem to be a bit behind with my e-mail again. That's not going to change very soon because I'm going to the Roadburn Festival this weekend. There was Acid King last weekend, Clutch the weekend before that and Litmus the week before that... And then this not long after I get back. I didn't need this much hearing anyway, right? Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 18 04:24:11 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:24:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: <20070417212439.GG3350@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Under the sign is well over 10 minutes and, yes, there is a long,long track on the new album:). In total, the CD runs to about 76 minutes. The album is out on April 30th and is already available for pre-order online with HMV, Amazon etc. Colin Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:31:05PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > Assuming my usual role as filler-in of setlist gaps, the "slow almost-pastoral piece > dominated by a two-chord organ line" was Planetfall, the title track of the new album. Aha, thankyou. I've been trying to figure this out now, how many new tracks I've seen since the last album came out. I make it: Destroy the Mothership! The Tempest Planetfall Under the Sign Helios Psychic Projection Far Beyond and a rather worrying prog dirge with Marek singing that as far as I know they only did once then dropped like a stone, and wisely so Two of those songs have to be nearly ten minutes each (`Under the Sign' and `Far Beyond') and I can't see any except `Mothership' and `Helios' being much less than five, and Martin told me there's one track so far unplayed which is longer even than `Stone Oscillator'. It's going to be a full CD... When's it coming out, Colin? when's it coming out? Yours, Jon ObCD: Comets on Fire - _Blue Cathedral_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 18 04:30:28 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:30:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: <20070417212439.GG3350@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: You have heard Lost Stations too; it is the "power ballad";). Amazingly, the band are now working on even more new material. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:31:05PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > Assuming my usual role as filler-in of setlist gaps, the "slow almost-pastoral piece > dominated by a two-chord organ line" was Planetfall, the title track of the new album. Aha, thankyou. I've been trying to figure this out now, how many new tracks I've seen since the last album came out. I make it: Destroy the Mothership! The Tempest Planetfall Under the Sign Helios Psychic Projection Far Beyond and a rather worrying prog dirge with Marek singing that as far as I know they only did once then dropped like a stone, and wisely so Two of those songs have to be nearly ten minutes each (`Under the Sign' and `Far Beyond') and I can't see any except `Mothership' and `Helios' being much less than five, and Martin told me there's one track so far unplayed which is longer even than `Stone Oscillator'. It's going to be a full CD... When's it coming out, Colin? when's it coming out? Yours, Jon ObCD: Comets on Fire - _Blue Cathedral_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 18 04:55:54 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:55:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Litmus in Hitchin In-Reply-To: <736828.22205.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 18/04/2007 09:24, Colin Allen wrote: > The album is out on April 30th and is already available for pre-order online with HMV, Amazon etc. Excellent -- my pre-order is in! And along with the _Spectres_ remaster (which Jon will be glad to know I'm getting at last ;) that makes just enough to knock off Amazon's delivery charges :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 18 05:10:36 2007 From: murray.ewing at BTINTERNET.COM (Murray Ewing (BT)) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:10:36 +0100 Subject: Imaginos house Message-ID: I don't know if anyone here reads John Coulthart's blog (he did design the cover to Chronicle of the Black Sword, after all), but his latest entry is about a website dedicated to a house that will seem strangely familiar to BOC fans out there: http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1753 Murray http://www.mjewing.co.uk/ http://www.violetapple.org.uk/ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Apr 18 08:56:42 2007 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:56:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: John Sinclair's Guitar Army In-Reply-To: <13A4233C-8A31-4D17-9D87-CC1F5544D133@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Given the MC5ness on Some Enchanted evening, Check out www.thebookbeat.com to order this jams-kicking tome and CD. Guitar Army: Rock & Revolution With the MC5 and the White Panther Party Author/Artist: John Sinclair Publisher: Process ?Guitar Army was our manual for revolt. It?s a rainbow-colored Howl, still resonating today with the singular value of idealism.??Michael Simmons John Sinclair, manager of the notorious Detroit band MC5 and leader of the leftist revolutionary vanguard White Panther Party, is the still-charging embodiment of a dazzlingly optimistic time in which change felt necessary and possible. Sinclair was the martyr of the original war on drugs, sentenced to ten years in prison for possession of two marijuana joints. Guitar Army is the iconographic book that proclaimed ?Rock and Roll is a Weapon of Cultural Revolution? for young, revved-up readers in 1972. Its author was released from prison just three days after 15,000 people came to see John Lennon, Yoko Ono, Archie Shepp, Allen Ginsberg, and other musicians and leaders demand his freedom. The updated Guitar Army includes two dozen previously unpublished period photographs, recent writings from John Sinclair, and an introduction from Michael Simmons that leads the reader through the revolutionary times to Sinclair?s life today. A bonus CD contains rare music recordings of MC5 band members, the revolutionary rock group UP!, Black Panther Bobby Seale on the White Panthers, and original White Panther Party rallies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Sinclair will be signing books on May 3rd and we will be able to fill orders for autographed books if placed before the end of April, 2007 $22.95 From albert at CELLSUM.COM Wed Apr 18 09:02:34 2007 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:02:34 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <002c01c7811e$d81cda40$6701a8c0@Arioch> Message-ID: Can we just cut the gun lobby crap? This whole thing makes me sick. As a pedagogue I can think of plenty of teachers it would be a very bad idea to arm. The whole thing is just sad and there a million better ways to be a hero than blasting it out with the bad guys. On Apr 17, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Joseph Elric Smith wrote: > Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you > > Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour > > WWBYD What would Brigham Young do ? > Blog http://www.aeonity.com/arioch > http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AdmrlLocke at aol.com > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in > Va. Tech Massacre > > > If only this Israeli had had a gun on him, he and all the students > the murderer killed after killing the Israeli might still be alive > today. Virginia state college policy, however, forbids the carrying > of arms on college campuses. > > "Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre > > by Gil Ronen > (April 17th, 2007 c.e.) > > (IsraelNN.com) As Israel observed Holocaust Day, thousands of miles > away, A Rumanian-born Holocaust survivor gave his life in another > senseless murder - and apparently in an act of heroism. > > Among the 32 people killed by a lone gunman at Virginia Tech Monday > (April 16th, 2007 c.e.) > is 77-year-old engineering professor, Liviu Librescu, a citizen of > Israel. According to eyewitness accounts, Librescu ran to the door > of his classroom and blocked it with his body ? preventing the > gunman from entering but getting shot to death himself as a result. > > Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old student who had been in Librescu's class > in room 204, told a reporter that at 9:05 a.m. the heard screams and > a loud banging sound from the next-door classroom. When the students > realized it was gunfire, he said, some hid behind tables, and others > leapt from the classroom's windows. Calhoun himself was among the > last to jump. "Before I jumped from the window, I turned around and > looked at the professor, who stayed behind, maybe to block the door. > He had been killed." > > Librescu is survived by his wife of 42 years, Marlena, who was with > him in Virginia, and sons Aryeh and Joe who are in Israel. They > intend to bury him in Israel. > > Asael Arad, an Israeli student who visited the widow after the > tragedy, told Army Radio Tuesday that Marlena had been receiving e- > mails from students who credited Prof. Librescu with saving their > lives. "I lost my best friend," the widow told a reporter for NRG at > her home near the Blacksburg campus. "He was a great person, who > loved teaching more than anything." Marlena said someone had > initially informed her that her husband was injured in the > shooting. "I looked for him in the hospitals all day but I didn't > find him," she said. > > The Librescus are Rumanian Jews who came on aliyah (immigrated to > Israel) in 1978 ? after then-Prime Minister Begin interceded on > their behalf with the Rumanian government, according to Marlena. The > couple went on a sabbatical to the United States since 1986 and has > been living there ever since. > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122137 > > Liviu Librescu > Professor > Office > 318 Norris Hall > Blacksburg, VA 24061 > 540/231-5916 > llibresc at vt.edu > > http://www.esm.vt.edu/~llibresc > > Interests: > Foundation and applications of the modern theory of shells > incorporating non-classical effects and composed of advanced > composite materials; Foundation of the theory and applications of > sandwich type structures; Aeroelastic stability of flight vehicle > structures;. Nonlinear aeroelasticity of structures in supersonic > and hypersonic flow fields; Aeroelastic and structural tailoring; > Dynamic response and instability of elastic and viscoelastic > laminated composite structures subjected to deterministic and random > loading systems; Mechanical and thermal postbuckling of flat and > curved shear-deformable elastic panels; Static, dynamic and > aeroelastic feedback control of adaptive structures; Unsteady > aerodynamics and magnetoaerodynamics of supersonic flows with > applications; Optimization problems of aeroelastic structural > systems; Theory of composite thin-walled beams and its application > in aeronautical and mechanical constructions; Response and behavior > of structures to underwater and in-air explosions; Multifunctional > and Functionally Graded material structures. > Education: > Ph.D., Institute of Fluid Mechanics, Academy of Science of Romania, > 1969 > M. A. Sc., Polytechnic Institute, Faculty of Aeronautical > Engineering, Bucharest, 1953 > B.S., Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania, Aeronautical > Engineer, 1952 > > Honors and Awards: > 2007 Invited Key Note Lecture at the 17th International Congress on > Thermal Stresses, June 4-7, 2007, Taipei, Taiwan, Joule Heating > and its Implications on Crack Detection/Arrest in Electrically > Conductive Circular Cylindrical Shells.( Z. Qin, L. Librescu and > D. Hasanyan) > 2006 Awarded a diploma by the 17th International Conference on > Adaptive Structures and Technology for the paper Robust > Aeroelastic Control of Composite Aircraft Wings in Incompressible > Flow by Yoon, G. C., Na, S. S., Librescu, L., and Baek, S. C., > Taiwan, ICAST 2006, October 13-17. > 2005 Appointed Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > the 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, > 2005, Vienna, Austria > 2005 Invited Plenary Lecture at the 6th International Congress of > Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, 2005, Vienna, Austria "Thin-Walled > Beams Used in Turbomachinery and Space Applications Made-Up of > Functionally Graded Materials and Operating in a High Temperature > Environment: Vibration and Instability" by L. Librescu, S-Y Oh and > O. Song > 2005 Selected as a member of the Board of Experts of the Italian > Ministry of Education, University and Scientific Research > 2005 Awarded a diploma by the International Congress on Thermal > Stresses, Vienna, Austria, May-June, 2005, ``In recognition for the > achievements in the field of Thermal Stresses, for organizing the > Fifth International Congress of Thermal Stresses, and for the > contributions to the Journal of Thermal Stresses, as an author and > as a member of the Editorial Board.'' > 2005 Awarded a diploma by the ASME, 20th Biennal Conference on > Mechanical Vibration and Noise, Long Beach, CA, September 24-28, > 2005 expressing the deep appreciation for the valuable services in > advancing the engineering profession.'' > 2005 Frank J. Maher Award for Excellence in Engineering Education > 2004 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Third European Conference on > Structural Control July 12-15. 2004, Vienna, Austria Advances in > the Linear/nonlinear Control of Aeroelastic Structural Systems by > L. Librescu and P. Marzocca > 2003 Member of the Executive Committee of the International > Congress of Thermal Stresses, (1999-2003) and re-appointed for (2003- > 2007) > 2003 General Chair of the 5th International Congress of Thermal > Stresses and Related Topics, June 8-11, 2003, Blacksburg, VA > 2000 Recipient of the title of Doctor Honoris Causa of the > Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania > 2000 Elected member of the Academy of Sciences of the Shipbuilding > of Ukraine > 1999 Recipient of The 1999 Dean's Award for Excellence in > Research, College of Engineering VPI&SU > 1999 Elected Foreign Fellow of the Academy of Engineering of > Armenia > 1998 Invited Plenary Lecture at the Session dedicated to the great > Italian Scientist Professor Placido Cicala, Torino, June 25, 1998, > Italia Aeroelastic Tailoring of Advanced Aircraft Wings Carrying > External Stores, with Dr. F. H. Gern > 1988 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Second International > Conference on Composite Science and Technology, June 9-11, 1998 > Durban, South Africa Recent Developments in the Modelling and > Behavior of Advanced Sandwich Constructions > 1972 Laureate of the prize Traian Vuia of the Romanian > Academy of Science > > Professional Service: > > Listing in Who's Who > Who's Who in America > Who's Who in Engineering > Who's Who in the World > Who's Who in Science and Engineering > Member of the Editorial Board of > 2007 - Journal of Sound and Vibration > 2004 - International Journal of Advanced Materials and Structures > 2003 - Journal Mathematical Methods and Physic-Mechanical Fields > 1999 - Journal Thin-Walled Structures > 1998 - Journal of Thermal Stresses > 1997 - International Journal of Non-Linear Mechanics > 1975 - Solid Mechanics Archives > Guest Editor for the Special Issues of the Journals > 2006 - Journal of Mathematical Engineering (issues devoted to > Thermomechanical Problems) > 2004 - International of Mechanics of Advanced Materials and > Structures, Vol. 11, Nos. 4-5, Part I & II > 2001 - Composite Structures, Vol. 52, 1, 2001 > 2001 - Thin-Walled Structures, Special Issue - New Advances in the > Modelling and Application of Smart Thin-Walled Structures, Vol. 39, > 1, 2001 > 2000 - Composites Engineering, Part B, Vol. 32, 3, 2000 > Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > 2005 - 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05, May 26- > 29, Vienna, Austria > Co-Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > 2007 - 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses June 4-7, > Taipei, Taiwan > 2005 - Mechanical Engineering and Mechanics, October 26-28, Nanjing, > China > Member of the International Advisory Board of > 2007 - Second International Symposium on Design Modelling and > Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DEMEASS II, > October 14-17, Bad Herrenalb, Germany > 2007 - Organizing Committee of the 70th Birthday of Jozef Ignaczak > Symposium at the 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, > Juen 4-7, Taipei, Taiwan > 2006 - 2nd International Congress on Computational Mechanics and > simulation (ICCM-06), December 8-10, Indian Institute of Technology, > Guwahati,-781039, India > 2006 - 1st International Symposium on Design Modelling and > Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DeMEASS I, > June 10-12, Bardonecchia (Turin), Italy > 2004 - 1st International Congress on Computational Mechanics and > Simulation, IIT Kanpur, December 9-12, India > 2004 - 2nd International Conference on Structural Engineering, > Mechanics and Computation, July 5-7, Cape Town, South Africa > 2003 - 2nd International Conference on Applied Mechanics and > Materials (ICAMM 2003), January 21-23, Durban, South Africa > 1998 - 2nd Interntional Conference on Composite Science and > Technology, June 9-11, Durban, South Africa > 1996 - 1st International Conference, Composite Science Technology, > June 18-20, Durham, South Africa > Member of the International Organizing Committee of > 2005 - 6th International Congress of Thermal Stresses, May 26-29, > Wien, Austria > 2001 - 4th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 8-11, > Osaka, Japan > 1999 - 3rd International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 13-17, > Cracow, Poland > 1982 thru 1985 - Israel National Conference on Aviation and > Astronautics > Recent Publications: > > G. Polli, L. Librescu and F. Mastroddi, Aeroelastic Response of > Composite Aircraft Swept Wings Impacted by a Laser Beam, AIAA, Vol. > 33, No, 2, pp. 382-391, 2006 > Na, S. S., Librescu, L., Rim, S. N. and Yoon, G. C., Vibration and > Dynamic Response Control of Non-Unifom Composite Rotating Blades, > International Journal of Rotating Machinery, 2006, ID 13807, pp. 1- > 9, 2006 > Librescu, L., Oh, S-Y. and Hohe, J., Dynamic Response of Anisotropic > Sandwich Flat Panels to Underwater and In-Air Explosions, > International Journal of Solids and Structures, Vol. 43, No. 13, pp. > 3794-3816, June, 2006 > Hause, T. and Librescu, L., Flexural Free Vibration of Sandwich Flat > Panels with Laminated Anisotropic Face Sheets, Journal of Sound and > Vibration, Vol. 297, Nos. 3-5, pp. 823-841, 2006 > Librescu, L. and Song, O., Composite Thin-Walled Beams: Theory and > Application, Springer, 615, 2005 > Full listing > Courses taught: > ESM 3154, Solid Mechanics, Spring 2007. > ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2007. > ESM 5994, Research and Thesis, Spring 2007. > ESM 7994, Research and Dissertation, Spring 2007. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2006. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2005. > ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2005. > ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2005. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2004. > ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2004. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2003. > > > http://www.esm.vt.edu/php/person.php?id=10023 > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __._,_.___ > > > SPONSORED LINKS Poker games Air hockey game Online games > Games Game design college > > > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > to Fully Featured > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > __,_._,___ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.0/763 - Release Date: > 4/16/2007 5:53 PM > From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Apr 18 11:43:31 2007 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:43:31 -0500 Subject: Va. Tech Professor Message-ID: > From: albert bouchard > > Can we just cut the gun lobby crap? This whole thing makes me sick. > As a pedagogue I can think of plenty of teachers it would be a very > bad idea to arm. The whole thing is just sad and there a million > better ways to be a hero than blasting it out with the bad guys. In this part of Gun Country, it's called Rambo Fever. We see it after every shooting. Librescu was a hero, no doubt about it. I wanted to mention another of the slain professors, something that won't make it into the mainstream media but that will be of interest to some here. One of the first killed in Norris Hall was (Christopher) Jamie Bishop. Jamie's father is SF writer Michael Bishop, author of Ancient of Days, one of Bloomsbury's 100 Must-Read Science Fiction Novels. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Apr 18 13:28:35 2007 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:28:35 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre Message-ID: I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the people who think everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb idea that would be. "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, like the Virginia Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 people. >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: albert bouchard >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:02:34 > >Can we just cut the gun lobby crap? This whole >thing makes me sick. >As a pedagogue I can think of plenty of teachers it >would be a very >bad idea to arm. The whole thing is just sad and >there a million >better ways to be a hero than blasting it out with >the bad guys. > >On Apr 17, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Joseph Elric Smith >wrote: > >> Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics >> Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil >than you >> >> Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour >> >> WWBYD What would Brigham Young do ? >> Blog http://www.aeonity.com/arioch >> http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: AdmrlLocke at aol.com >> To: undisclosed-recipients: >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:21 PM >> Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli >Professor Saved Others in >> Va. Tech Massacre >> >> >> If only this Israeli had had a gun on him, he and >all the students >> the murderer killed after killing the Israeli >might still be alive >> today. Virginia state college policy, however, >forbids the carrying >> of arms on college campuses. >> >> "Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech >Massacre >> >> by Gil Ronen >> (April 17th, 2007 c.e.) >> >> (IsraelNN.com) As Israel observed Holocaust Day, >thousands of miles >> away, A Rumanian-born Holocaust survivor gave his >life in another >> senseless murder - and apparently in an act of >heroism. >> >> Among the 32 people killed by a lone gunman at >Virginia Tech Monday >> (April 16th, 2007 c.e.) >> is 77-year-old engineering professor, Liviu >Librescu, a citizen of >> Israel. According to eyewitness accounts, >Librescu ran to the door >> of his classroom and blocked it with his body ? >preventing the >> gunman from entering but getting shot to death >himself as a result. >> >> Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old student who had been >in Librescu's class >> in room 204, told a reporter that at 9:05 a.m. >the heard screams and >> a loud banging sound from the next-door >classroom. When the students >> realized it was gunfire, he said, some hid behind >tables, and others >> leapt from the classroom's windows. Calhoun >himself was among the >> last to jump. "Before I jumped from the window, I >turned around and >> looked at the professor, who stayed behind, maybe >to block the door. >> He had been killed." >> >> Librescu is survived by his wife of 42 years, >Marlena, who was with >> him in Virginia, and sons Aryeh and Joe who are >in Israel. They >> intend to bury him in Israel. >> >> Asael Arad, an Israeli student who visited the >widow after the >> tragedy, told Army Radio Tuesday that Marlena had >been receiving e- >> mails from students who credited Prof. Librescu >with saving their >> lives. "I lost my best friend," the widow told a >reporter for NRG at >> her home near the Blacksburg campus. "He was a >great person, who >> loved teaching more than anything." Marlena said >someone had >> initially informed her that her husband was >injured in the >> shooting. "I looked for him in the hospitals all >day but I didn't >> find him," she said. >> >> The Librescus are Rumanian Jews who came on >aliyah (immigrated to >> Israel) in 1978 ? after then-Prime Minister >Begin interceded on >> their behalf with the Rumanian government, >according to Marlena. The >> couple went on a sabbatical to the United States >since 1986 and has >> been living there ever since. >> >> >http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/12 >2137 >> >> Liviu Librescu >> Professor >> Office >> 318 Norris Hall >> Blacksburg, VA 24061 >> 540/231-5916 >> llibresc at vt.edu >> >> http://www.esm.vt.edu/~llibresc >> >> Interests: >> Foundation and applications of the modern theory >of shells >> incorporating non-classical effects and composed >of advanced >> composite materials; Foundation of the theory and >applications of >> sandwich type structures; Aeroelastic stability >of flight vehicle >> structures;. Nonlinear aeroelasticity of >structures in supersonic >> and hypersonic flow fields; Aeroelastic and >structural tailoring; >> Dynamic response and instability of elastic and >viscoelastic >> laminated composite structures subjected to >deterministic and random >> loading systems; Mechanical and thermal >postbuckling of flat and >> curved shear-deformable elastic panels; Static, >dynamic and >> aeroelastic feedback control of adaptive >structures; Unsteady >> aerodynamics and magnetoaerodynamics of >supersonic flows with >> applications; Optimization problems of >aeroelastic structural >> systems; Theory of composite thin-walled beams >and its application >> in aeronautical and mechanical constructions; >Response and behavior >> of structures to underwater and in-air >explosions; Multifunctional >> and Functionally Graded material structures. >> Education: >> Ph.D., Institute of Fluid Mechanics, Academy of >Science of Romania, >> 1969 >> M. A. Sc., Polytechnic Institute, Faculty of >Aeronautical >> Engineering, Bucharest, 1953 >> B.S., Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, >Romania, Aeronautical >> Engineer, 1952 >> >> Honors and Awards: >> 2007 Invited Key Note Lecture at the 17th >International Congress on >> Thermal Stresses, June 4-7, 2007, Taipei, Taiwan, >Joule Heating >> and its Implications on Crack Detection/Arrest in >Electrically >> Conductive Circular Cylindrical Shells.( Z. Qin, >L. Librescu and >> D. Hasanyan) >> 2006 Awarded a diploma by the 17th International >Conference on >> Adaptive Structures and Technology for the paper >Robust >> Aeroelastic Control of Composite Aircraft Wings >in Incompressible >> Flow by Yoon, G. C., Na, S. S., Librescu, L., and >Baek, S. C., >> Taiwan, ICAST 2006, October 13-17. >> 2005 Appointed Chair of the International >Organizing Committee of >> the 6th International Congress on Thermal >Stresses '05 May 26-29, >> 2005, Vienna, Austria >> 2005 Invited Plenary Lecture at the 6th >International Congress of >> Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, 2005, Vienna, >Austria "Thin-Walled >> Beams Used in Turbomachinery and Space >Applications Made-Up of >> Functionally Graded Materials and Operating in a >High Temperature >> Environment: Vibration and Instability" by L. >Librescu, S-Y Oh and >> O. Song >> 2005 Selected as a member of the Board of >Experts of the Italian >> Ministry of Education, University and Scientific >Research >> 2005 Awarded a diploma by the International >Congress on Thermal >> Stresses, Vienna, Austria, May-June, 2005, ``In >recognition for the >> achievements in the field of Thermal Stresses, >for organizing the >> Fifth International Congress of Thermal Stresses, >and for the >> contributions to the Journal of Thermal Stresses, >as an author and >> as a member of the Editorial Board.'' >> 2005 Awarded a diploma by the ASME, 20th Biennal >Conference on >> Mechanical Vibration and Noise, Long Beach, CA, >September 24-28, >> 2005 expressing the deep appreciation for the >valuable services in >> advancing the engineering profession.'' >> 2005 Frank J. Maher Award for Excellence in >Engineering Education >> 2004 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Third >European Conference on >> Structural Control July 12-15. 2004, Vienna, >Austria Advances in >> the Linear/nonlinear Control of Aeroelastic >Structural Systems by >> L. Librescu and P. Marzocca >> 2003 Member of the Executive Committee of the >International >> Congress of Thermal Stresses, (1999-2003) and >re-appointed for (2003- >> 2007) >> 2003 General Chair of the 5th International >Congress of Thermal >> Stresses and Related Topics, June 8-11, 2003, >Blacksburg, VA >> 2000 Recipient of the title of Doctor Honoris >Causa of the >> Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania >> 2000 Elected member of the Academy of Sciences >of the Shipbuilding >> of Ukraine >> 1999 Recipient of The 1999 Dean's Award for >Excellence in >> Research, College of Engineering VPI&SU >> 1999 Elected Foreign Fellow of the Academy of >Engineering of >> Armenia >> 1998 Invited Plenary Lecture at the Session >dedicated to the great >> Italian Scientist Professor Placido Cicala, >Torino, June 25, 1998, >> Italia Aeroelastic Tailoring of Advanced Aircraft >Wings Carrying >> External Stores, with Dr. F. H. Gern >> 1988 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Second >International >> Conference on Composite Science and Technology, >June 9-11, 1998 >> Durban, South Africa Recent Developments in the >Modelling and >> Behavior of Advanced Sandwich Constructions >> 1972 Laureate of the prize Traian Vuia of the >Romanian >> Academy of Science >> >> Professional Service: >> >> Listing in Who's Who >> Who's Who in America >> Who's Who in Engineering >> Who's Who in the World >> Who's Who in Science and Engineering >> Member of the Editorial Board of >> 2007 - Journal of Sound and Vibration >> 2004 - International Journal of Advanced >Materials and Structures >> 2003 - Journal Mathematical Methods and >Physic-Mechanical Fields >> 1999 - Journal Thin-Walled Structures >> 1998 - Journal of Thermal Stresses >> 1997 - International Journal of Non-Linear >Mechanics >> 1975 - Solid Mechanics Archives >> Guest Editor for the Special Issues of the >Journals >> 2006 - Journal of Mathematical Engineering >(issues devoted to >> Thermomechanical Problems) >> 2004 - International of Mechanics of Advanced >Materials and >> Structures, Vol. 11, Nos. 4-5, Part I & II >> 2001 - Composite Structures, Vol. 52, 1, 2001 >> 2001 - Thin-Walled Structures, Special Issue - >New Advances in the >> Modelling and Application of Smart Thin-Walled >Structures, Vol. 39, >> 1, 2001 >> 2000 - Composites Engineering, Part B, Vol. 32, >3, 2000 >> Chair of the International Organizing Committee >of >> 2005 - 6th International Congress on Thermal >Stresses '05, May 26- >> 29, Vienna, Austria >> Co-Chair of the International Organizing >Committee of >> 2007 - 7th International Congress on Thermal >Stresses June 4-7, >> Taipei, Taiwan >> 2005 - Mechanical Engineering and Mechanics, >October 26-28, Nanjing, >> China >> Member of the International Advisory Board of >> 2007 - Second International Symposium on Design >Modelling and >> Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart >Systems, DEMEASS II, >> October 14-17, Bad Herrenalb, Germany >> 2007 - Organizing Committee of the 70th Birthday >of Jozef Ignaczak >> Symposium at the 7th International Congress on >Thermal Stresses, >> Juen 4-7, Taipei, Taiwan >> 2006 - 2nd International Congress on >Computational Mechanics and >> simulation (ICCM-06), December 8-10, Indian >Institute of Technology, >> Guwahati,-781039, India >> 2006 - 1st International Symposium on Design >Modelling and >> Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart >Systems, DeMEASS I, >> June 10-12, Bardonecchia (Turin), Italy >> 2004 - 1st International Congress on >Computational Mechanics and >> Simulation, IIT Kanpur, December 9-12, India >> 2004 - 2nd International Conference on Structural >Engineering, >> Mechanics and Computation, July 5-7, Cape Town, >South Africa >> 2003 - 2nd International Conference on Applied >Mechanics and >> Materials (ICAMM 2003), January 21-23, Durban, >South Africa >> 1998 - 2nd Interntional Conference on Composite >Science and >> Technology, June 9-11, Durban, South Africa >> 1996 - 1st International Conference, Composite >Science Technology, >> June 18-20, Durham, South Africa >> Member of the International Organizing Committee >of >> 2005 - 6th International Congress of Thermal >Stresses, May 26-29, >> Wien, Austria >> 2001 - 4th International Congress on Thermal >Stresses, June 8-11, >> Osaka, Japan >> 1999 - 3rd International Congress on Thermal >Stresses, June 13-17, >> Cracow, Poland >> 1982 thru 1985 - Israel National Conference on >Aviation and >> Astronautics >> Recent Publications: >> >> G. Polli, L. Librescu and F. Mastroddi, >Aeroelastic Response of >> Composite Aircraft Swept Wings Impacted by a >Laser Beam, AIAA, Vol. >> 33, No, 2, pp. 382-391, 2006 >> Na, S. S., Librescu, L., Rim, S. N. and Yoon, G. >C., Vibration and >> Dynamic Response Control of Non-Unifom Composite >Rotating Blades, >> International Journal of Rotating Machinery, >2006, ID 13807, pp. 1- >> 9, 2006 >> Librescu, L., Oh, S-Y. and Hohe, J., Dynamic >Response of Anisotropic >> Sandwich Flat Panels to Underwater and In-Air >Explosions, >> International Journal of Solids and Structures, >Vol. 43, No. 13, pp. >> 3794-3816, June, 2006 >> Hause, T. and Librescu, L., Flexural Free >Vibration of Sandwich Flat >> Panels with Laminated Anisotropic Face Sheets, >Journal of Sound and >> Vibration, Vol. 297, Nos. 3-5, pp. 823-841, 2006 >> Librescu, L. and Song, O., Composite Thin-Walled >Beams: Theory and >> Application, Springer, 615, 2005 >> Full listing >> Courses taught: >> ESM 3154, Solid Mechanics, Spring 2007. >> ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2007. >> ESM 5994, Research and Thesis, Spring 2007. >> ESM 7994, Research and Dissertation, Spring 2007. >> ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2006. >> ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2005. >> ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2005. >> ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2005. >> ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2004. >> ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2004. >> ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2003. >> >> >> http://www.esm.vt.edu/php/person.php?id=10023 >> >> >> ************************************** >> See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __._,_.___ >> >> >> SPONSORED LINKS Poker games Air hockey game >Online games >> Games Game design college >> >> >> Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to >Daily Digest | Switch >> to Fully Featured >> Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | >Unsubscribe >> >> >> __,_._,___ >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------- >------------------- >> ---------- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.0/763 - >Release Date: >> 4/16/2007 5:53 PM >> From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Apr 18 14:19:44 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:19:44 +0200 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <20070418172835.94268.qmail@mmm1123.verio-web.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:28:35 -0400, nick wrote > I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the people who think > everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb idea that would be. Just a look at the Animal Kingdom is enough for that. Animals that can kill one another with a single bite/sting/whack are usually very careful _not_ to kill each other when battling over turf/MOTOS/etc. The story then goes that mankind's aggression level is still as it was when we had nothing more than our bare hands to do battle with. > "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, like the Virginia > Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 people. As I once read: "hindsight is an exact science". On the other hand, although this is a very tragic case, the number of people killed by arms pales into insignificance when compared to the number of people killed by our modern-day traffic.... Gr, Arjan H From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 18 14:08:38 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:08:38 +0000 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers Message-ID: Like.......The Brain Surgeon's Hawkwind covers are awesome (Needle Gun and Assassins Of Allah) - I remember Malpractise was discussed on this list ca. 1997-8 - I am mainly a Hawkwind fan though, I enjoy the BOC side too...... cause I like the 'Cult too...... BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! Christian (Punk Lodger 2000 A.D.) "the chosen few - you know who you are - support the New Age!"....... with a stolen Hawkwind corp. spacecraft..... just like total f*ckn hardcore!!!!!!!!! total anarchy!!!!!!! "all the punks in the audience spit on my stolen Hawkwind spacecraft! in a hail of spittle!!!!" Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Wed Apr 18 14:54:57 2007 From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:54:57 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <20070418180943.M34030@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: It's a good thing drugs are illegal and nobody does them anymore. Seriously, the only solution to these 'problems' are education, diversity and social awareness. Human nature will always cause things to go awry. So, can we now return to wondering about what is going on with BOC, Allen's health, Albert's side projects and seeing who can beat up who from the many characters cast in Hawkwind? My 2 cents. --EF On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:19:44 -0400, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:28:35 -0400, nick wrote >> I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the people who think >> everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb idea that would be. > > Just a look at the Animal Kingdom is enough for that. Animals that can > kill > one another with a single bite/sting/whack are usually very careful > _not_ to > kill each other when battling over turf/MOTOS/etc. The story then goes > that > mankind's aggression level is still as it was when we had nothing more > than > our bare hands to do battle with. > >> "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, like the Virginia >> Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 people. > > As I once read: "hindsight is an exact science". > > On the other hand, although this is a very tragic case, the number of > people > killed by arms pales into insignificance when compared to the number of > people > killed by our modern-day traffic.... > > Gr, > > Arjan H -- "Until Further Notice I am Unique!" From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Apr 18 15:20:32 2007 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:20:32 -0400 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers In-Reply-To: <62527.54927.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I might be remembering wrong, but i think there is an picture of Dave Brock wearing a BOC t-shirt Take care, Chris R. www.chrisr.net -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers Like.......The Brain Surgeon's Hawkwind covers are awesome (Needle Gun and Assassins Of Allah) - I remember Malpractise was discussed on this list ca. 1997-8 - I am mainly a Hawkwind fan though, I enjoy the BOC side too...... cause I like the 'Cult too...... BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! Christian (Punk Lodger 2000 A.D.) "the chosen few - you know who you are - support the New Age!"....... with a stolen Hawkwind corp. spacecraft..... just like total f*ckn hardcore!!!!!!!!! total anarchy!!!!!!! "all the punks in the audience spit on my stolen Hawkwind spacecraft! in a hail of spittle!!!!" Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 18 15:36:33 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:36:33 +0000 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers Message-ID: Yes, I do remember that discussion here on BOC-L years ago....... Hawkwind/Nik have of course done Veterans and Sun Jester as poems (on 1999 Party and HawXtar) but thats merely the Moorcock connection. They should cover Black Blade since they did Chronicle........ with the song etc. cause BOCs electronics on those songs is so cool...... Christian NP: Rush - Tom Sawyer MP3 (what did I miss by never really liking these guys?? a couple of good 'uns!) NnotP: Yes - Roundabout MP3 (never really been much of a Yes-man either.......) ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Raymond To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 9:20:32 PM Subject: Re: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers I might be remembering wrong, but i think there is an picture of Dave Brock wearing a BOC t-shirt Take care, Chris R. www.chrisr.net -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Amphetamine Embalmer Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers Like.......The Brain Surgeon's Hawkwind covers are awesome (Needle Gun and Assassins Of Allah) - I remember Malpractise was discussed on this list ca. 1997-8 - I am mainly a Hawkwind fan though, I enjoy the BOC side too...... cause I like the 'Cult too...... BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! Christian (Punk Lodger 2000 A.D.) "the chosen few - you know who you are - support the New Age!"....... with a stolen Hawkwind corp. spacecraft..... just like total f*ckn hardcore!!!!!!!!! total anarchy!!!!!!! "all the punks in the audience spit on my stolen Hawkwind spacecraft! in a hail of spittle!!!!" Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 18 18:34:56 2007 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:34:56 -0700 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <33ED13CA-D76A-4678-80F3-2C77B74DC0A3@cellsum.com> Message-ID: Good call, Al. Leave it at that. Gary albert bouchard wrote: Can we just cut the gun lobby crap? This whole thing makes me sick. As a pedagogue I can think of plenty of teachers it would be a very bad idea to arm. The whole thing is just sad and there a million better ways to be a hero than blasting it out with the bad guys. On Apr 17, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Joseph Elric Smith wrote: > Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics > Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you > > Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour > > WWBYD What would Brigham Young do ? > Blog http://www.aeonity.com/arioch > http://www.geocities.com/J_Elric_Smith/Index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AdmrlLocke at aol.com > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in > Va. Tech Massacre > > > If only this Israeli had had a gun on him, he and all the students > the murderer killed after killing the Israeli might still be alive > today. Virginia state college policy, however, forbids the carrying > of arms on college campuses. > > "Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre > > by Gil Ronen > (April 17th, 2007 c.e.) > > (IsraelNN.com) As Israel observed Holocaust Day, thousands of miles > away, A Rumanian-born Holocaust survivor gave his life in another > senseless murder - and apparently in an act of heroism. > > Among the 32 people killed by a lone gunman at Virginia Tech Monday > (April 16th, 2007 c.e.) > is 77-year-old engineering professor, Liviu Librescu, a citizen of > Israel. According to eyewitness accounts, Librescu ran to the door > of his classroom and blocked it with his body ? preventing the > gunman from entering but getting shot to death himself as a result. > > Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old student who had been in Librescu's class > in room 204, told a reporter that at 9:05 a.m. the heard screams and > a loud banging sound from the next-door classroom. When the students > realized it was gunfire, he said, some hid behind tables, and others > leapt from the classroom's windows. Calhoun himself was among the > last to jump. "Before I jumped from the window, I turned around and > looked at the professor, who stayed behind, maybe to block the door. > He had been killed." > > Librescu is survived by his wife of 42 years, Marlena, who was with > him in Virginia, and sons Aryeh and Joe who are in Israel. They > intend to bury him in Israel. > > Asael Arad, an Israeli student who visited the widow after the > tragedy, told Army Radio Tuesday that Marlena had been receiving e- > mails from students who credited Prof. Librescu with saving their > lives. "I lost my best friend," the widow told a reporter for NRG at > her home near the Blacksburg campus. "He was a great person, who > loved teaching more than anything." Marlena said someone had > initially informed her that her husband was injured in the > shooting. "I looked for him in the hospitals all day but I didn't > find him," she said. > > The Librescus are Rumanian Jews who came on aliyah (immigrated to > Israel) in 1978 ? after then-Prime Minister Begin interceded on > their behalf with the Rumanian government, according to Marlena. The > couple went on a sabbatical to the United States since 1986 and has > been living there ever since. > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122137 > > Liviu Librescu > Professor > Office > 318 Norris Hall > Blacksburg, VA 24061 > 540/231-5916 > llibresc at vt.edu > > http://www.esm.vt.edu/~llibresc > > Interests: > Foundation and applications of the modern theory of shells > incorporating non-classical effects and composed of advanced > composite materials; Foundation of the theory and applications of > sandwich type structures; Aeroelastic stability of flight vehicle > structures;. Nonlinear aeroelasticity of structures in supersonic > and hypersonic flow fields; Aeroelastic and structural tailoring; > Dynamic response and instability of elastic and viscoelastic > laminated composite structures subjected to deterministic and random > loading systems; Mechanical and thermal postbuckling of flat and > curved shear-deformable elastic panels; Static, dynamic and > aeroelastic feedback control of adaptive structures; Unsteady > aerodynamics and magnetoaerodynamics of supersonic flows with > applications; Optimization problems of aeroelastic structural > systems; Theory of composite thin-walled beams and its application > in aeronautical and mechanical constructions; Response and behavior > of structures to underwater and in-air explosions; Multifunctional > and Functionally Graded material structures. > Education: > Ph.D., Institute of Fluid Mechanics, Academy of Science of Romania, > 1969 > M. A. Sc., Polytechnic Institute, Faculty of Aeronautical > Engineering, Bucharest, 1953 > B.S., Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania, Aeronautical > Engineer, 1952 > > Honors and Awards: > 2007 Invited Key Note Lecture at the 17th International Congress on > Thermal Stresses, June 4-7, 2007, Taipei, Taiwan, Joule Heating > and its Implications on Crack Detection/Arrest in Electrically > Conductive Circular Cylindrical Shells.( Z. Qin, L. Librescu and > D. Hasanyan) > 2006 Awarded a diploma by the 17th International Conference on > Adaptive Structures and Technology for the paper Robust > Aeroelastic Control of Composite Aircraft Wings in Incompressible > Flow by Yoon, G. C., Na, S. S., Librescu, L., and Baek, S. C., > Taiwan, ICAST 2006, October 13-17. > 2005 Appointed Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > the 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, > 2005, Vienna, Austria > 2005 Invited Plenary Lecture at the 6th International Congress of > Thermal Stresses '05 May 26-29, 2005, Vienna, Austria "Thin-Walled > Beams Used in Turbomachinery and Space Applications Made-Up of > Functionally Graded Materials and Operating in a High Temperature > Environment: Vibration and Instability" by L. Librescu, S-Y Oh and > O. Song > 2005 Selected as a member of the Board of Experts of the Italian > Ministry of Education, University and Scientific Research > 2005 Awarded a diploma by the International Congress on Thermal > Stresses, Vienna, Austria, May-June, 2005, ``In recognition for the > achievements in the field of Thermal Stresses, for organizing the > Fifth International Congress of Thermal Stresses, and for the > contributions to the Journal of Thermal Stresses, as an author and > as a member of the Editorial Board.'' > 2005 Awarded a diploma by the ASME, 20th Biennal Conference on > Mechanical Vibration and Noise, Long Beach, CA, September 24-28, > 2005 expressing the deep appreciation for the valuable services in > advancing the engineering profession.'' > 2005 Frank J. Maher Award for Excellence in Engineering Education > 2004 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Third European Conference on > Structural Control July 12-15. 2004, Vienna, Austria Advances in > the Linear/nonlinear Control of Aeroelastic Structural Systems by > L. Librescu and P. Marzocca > 2003 Member of the Executive Committee of the International > Congress of Thermal Stresses, (1999-2003) and re-appointed for (2003- > 2007) > 2003 General Chair of the 5th International Congress of Thermal > Stresses and Related Topics, June 8-11, 2003, Blacksburg, VA > 2000 Recipient of the title of Doctor Honoris Causa of the > Polytechnic Institute of Bucharest, Romania > 2000 Elected member of the Academy of Sciences of the Shipbuilding > of Ukraine > 1999 Recipient of The 1999 Dean's Award for Excellence in > Research, College of Engineering VPI&SU > 1999 Elected Foreign Fellow of the Academy of Engineering of > Armenia > 1998 Invited Plenary Lecture at the Session dedicated to the great > Italian Scientist Professor Placido Cicala, Torino, June 25, 1998, > Italia Aeroelastic Tailoring of Advanced Aircraft Wings Carrying > External Stores, with Dr. F. H. Gern > 1988 Plenary Key Note Lecture to the Second International > Conference on Composite Science and Technology, June 9-11, 1998 > Durban, South Africa Recent Developments in the Modelling and > Behavior of Advanced Sandwich Constructions > 1972 Laureate of the prize Traian Vuia of the Romanian > Academy of Science > > Professional Service: > > Listing in Who's Who > Who's Who in America > Who's Who in Engineering > Who's Who in the World > Who's Who in Science and Engineering > Member of the Editorial Board of > 2007 - Journal of Sound and Vibration > 2004 - International Journal of Advanced Materials and Structures > 2003 - Journal Mathematical Methods and Physic-Mechanical Fields > 1999 - Journal Thin-Walled Structures > 1998 - Journal of Thermal Stresses > 1997 - International Journal of Non-Linear Mechanics > 1975 - Solid Mechanics Archives > Guest Editor for the Special Issues of the Journals > 2006 - Journal of Mathematical Engineering (issues devoted to > Thermomechanical Problems) > 2004 - International of Mechanics of Advanced Materials and > Structures, Vol. 11, Nos. 4-5, Part I & II > 2001 - Composite Structures, Vol. 52, 1, 2001 > 2001 - Thin-Walled Structures, Special Issue - New Advances in the > Modelling and Application of Smart Thin-Walled Structures, Vol. 39, > 1, 2001 > 2000 - Composites Engineering, Part B, Vol. 32, 3, 2000 > Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > 2005 - 6th International Congress on Thermal Stresses '05, May 26- > 29, Vienna, Austria > Co-Chair of the International Organizing Committee of > 2007 - 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses June 4-7, > Taipei, Taiwan > 2005 - Mechanical Engineering and Mechanics, October 26-28, Nanjing, > China > Member of the International Advisory Board of > 2007 - Second International Symposium on Design Modelling and > Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DEMEASS II, > October 14-17, Bad Herrenalb, Germany > 2007 - Organizing Committee of the 70th Birthday of Jozef Ignaczak > Symposium at the 7th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, > Juen 4-7, Taipei, Taiwan > 2006 - 2nd International Congress on Computational Mechanics and > simulation (ICCM-06), December 8-10, Indian Institute of Technology, > Guwahati,-781039, India > 2006 - 1st International Symposium on Design Modelling and > Experiments of Adaptive Structures and Smart Systems, DeMEASS I, > June 10-12, Bardonecchia (Turin), Italy > 2004 - 1st International Congress on Computational Mechanics and > Simulation, IIT Kanpur, December 9-12, India > 2004 - 2nd International Conference on Structural Engineering, > Mechanics and Computation, July 5-7, Cape Town, South Africa > 2003 - 2nd International Conference on Applied Mechanics and > Materials (ICAMM 2003), January 21-23, Durban, South Africa > 1998 - 2nd Interntional Conference on Composite Science and > Technology, June 9-11, Durban, South Africa > 1996 - 1st International Conference, Composite Science Technology, > June 18-20, Durham, South Africa > Member of the International Organizing Committee of > 2005 - 6th International Congress of Thermal Stresses, May 26-29, > Wien, Austria > 2001 - 4th International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 8-11, > Osaka, Japan > 1999 - 3rd International Congress on Thermal Stresses, June 13-17, > Cracow, Poland > 1982 thru 1985 - Israel National Conference on Aviation and > Astronautics > Recent Publications: > > G. Polli, L. Librescu and F. Mastroddi, Aeroelastic Response of > Composite Aircraft Swept Wings Impacted by a Laser Beam, AIAA, Vol. > 33, No, 2, pp. 382-391, 2006 > Na, S. S., Librescu, L., Rim, S. N. and Yoon, G. C., Vibration and > Dynamic Response Control of Non-Unifom Composite Rotating Blades, > International Journal of Rotating Machinery, 2006, ID 13807, pp. 1- > 9, 2006 > Librescu, L., Oh, S-Y. and Hohe, J., Dynamic Response of Anisotropic > Sandwich Flat Panels to Underwater and In-Air Explosions, > International Journal of Solids and Structures, Vol. 43, No. 13, pp. > 3794-3816, June, 2006 > Hause, T. and Librescu, L., Flexural Free Vibration of Sandwich Flat > Panels with Laminated Anisotropic Face Sheets, Journal of Sound and > Vibration, Vol. 297, Nos. 3-5, pp. 823-841, 2006 > Librescu, L. and Song, O., Composite Thin-Walled Beams: Theory and > Application, Springer, 615, 2005 > Full listing > Courses taught: > ESM 3154, Solid Mechanics, Spring 2007. > ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2007. > ESM 5994, Research and Thesis, Spring 2007. > ESM 7994, Research and Dissertation, Spring 2007. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2006. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2005. > ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2005. > ESM 5074, Mech Lam Comp Str, Spring 2005. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2004. > ESM 2304, Dynamics, Spring 2004. > ESM 6044, Theory of Plates and Shells, Fall 2003. > > > http://www.esm.vt.edu/php/person.php?id=10023 > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __._,_.___ > > > SPONSORED LINKS Poker games Air hockey game Online games > Games Game design college > > > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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I've loved Alan's previous stuff, particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. Ian Kevin Sommers wrote: Yes, and wow! Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ... > > Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got > the new Alan Davey yet? :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 19 02:14:28 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:14:28 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: <788514.64567.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I am giving Alan a bit of hand on the PR front - and the reason for doing it (as discussed with Alan upfront) is to gain some additional experience in that area. On the other hand, I'm a member of BOC-L and free to join in a discussion on an on-topic subject with my personal viewpoint, and my *personal* viewpoint is that this is one terrific album. Ian gary shindler wrote: Aren't you playing PR for Alan, Mr. Abrahams? As if you would say anything derogatory about the new stuff... Ian Abrahams wrote: I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. Ian Kevin Sommers wrote: Yes, and wow! Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ... > > Right, that's me done with this off-topic issue! Anyone else got > the new Alan Davey yet? :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From henrik.hallgren at GLOCALNET.NET Thu Apr 19 04:39:10 2007 From: henrik.hallgren at GLOCALNET.NET (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:39:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan Davey styff. Message-ID: Hi there! I got the Alan Davey CD last week and I fully agree with Mr Abrahams. My personal opinion is that there are no weak spots on the CD and the mix between rock/space etc. is perfect. Enjoy the spring Hawkswede From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 19 06:03:35 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:03:35 +0100 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: nick@THECOMPLETESHEET.COM's message of Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:28:35 -0400 Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the people who think > everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb idea that would be. > "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, like the Virginia > Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 people. Hey Ref! If I'm to keep quiet then the other side should keep quiet too... Short answer: those of us who think law-abiding adults have a duty to arm themselves to protect themselves and others and stop crime do believe that those with a medical history of bats in the belfry should be refused legal firearms. See the NY Times article analysing the 102 US rampage kilers since the war. All had either mental history or a history of making public and violent threats. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 19 06:05:04 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:05:04 +0100 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers In-Reply-To: Chris Raymond's message of Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:20:32 -0400 Message-ID: Chris Raymond writes: > I might be remembering wrong, but i think there is an picture of Dave Brock > wearing a BOC t-shirt Yep. I've seen that one somewhere. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 19 06:09:29 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:09:29 +0100 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers In-Reply-To: <62527.54927.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 18/04/2007 19:08, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! Didn't he used to sometimes be seen wearing a BOC T-shirt? :) I've actually thought about what BOC songs could translate over into Hawkwind-stylee from time to time (because I think to much about this kind of thing! ;). One contender would be "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", done in a kind of "Dreaming City" meets "Love in Space" slow-rock style. But I've always thought that "Take Me Away" would work as well (albeit in a Huw-lineup way, fitting stylistically on something like _Levitation_ or _Live '79_. Slightly more risky: thinking of the Imaginos version of "Astronomy", one could try rearranging the song with a kind of "Lord of Light" vibe, or perhaps with an acoustic intro as in "Down through the Night". Dunno if it would work, but it would be fun to try! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 19 06:12:16 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:12:16 +0100 Subject: tBS/BOC: Albert's side projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18/04/2007 19:54, E F wrote: > Albert's side projects Yeah, I really want to know what's up here :) I know tBS are sort of "on indefinite hiatus", but Albert's first big post-BOC project was (most holy!) Imaginos, and then it was tBS (culminating in the stupendous _Denial of Death_ album), and so my attention is _definitely_ engaged to find out what else may start bubbling up here. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Apr 19 07:29:42 2007 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre Message-ID: >>> arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL 4/18/2007 2:19 PM >>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:28:35 -0400, nick wrote > I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the people who think > everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb idea that would be. Just a look at the Animal Kingdom is enough for that. Animals that can kill one another with a single bite/sting/whack are usually very careful _not_ to kill each other when battling over turf/MOTOS/etc. The story then goes that mankind's aggression level is still as it was when we had nothing more than our bare hands to do battle with. Right, carnivores never attack other carnivores. Only exception being domesticated dogs trained to hunt predators. But in the wild they avoid other hunters... > "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, like the Virginia > Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 people. As I once read: "hindsight is an exact science". On the other hand, although this is a very tragic case, the number of people killed by arms pales into insignificance when compared to the number of people killed by our modern-day traffic.... In the US, the leading cause of death for young African-American males is murder! theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 19 07:43:17 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:43:17 +0100 Subject: OFF (mostly) : slain Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > In the US, the leading cause of death for young African-American males > is murder! True, but that has more to do with fights over the legal premium on drugs under Prohibition II than it has to do with anything else. Sadly, I've noted that the numbers of such incidents involving drugs, black gangs and shooting/knifing murders seem to be steadily growing in the UK. I see scant hope though that anyone will change anything before we catch up with the US in that particular slow-motion tragedy. To bring it back to at least slightly on-topic: Rap Music seems to be the favourite scapegoat for activists and politicians to avoid considering whether our prohibitions on drugs and guns might be the real reason for such incidents. FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 19 10:50:15 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:50:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Sommers To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 12:35:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey CD Funk meets Lounge meets Skinny Puppy meets Zappa meets some things you'd "expect"... And these are just my first impressions, gotta give it a "proper" listen. And the cover's not half-bad either (cough, cough). Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17/04/2007 15:36, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, >> particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his >> work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. > > Yup, this one does nudge itself into distinctly new territories and > sounds. I mean, it still sounds like Alan Davey! But while I > would have been happy (and unsurprised) to hear more in the vein of > Bedouin and Captured Rotation, I was pleasantly pleased (if one can > use an expression like that) to hear it going places I hadn't > expected :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 19 10:52:52 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:52:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: I just popped it on, got it in the mail just now YES, and a Bedouin CD I didn't have....... I think Alan sounds more and more like Lemmy (voice and playing) than ever before on the new 'un....... nothing at all like Chaos Delight for instance.... Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Sommers To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 12:35:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey CD Funk meets Lounge meets Skinny Puppy meets Zappa meets some things you'd "expect"... And these are just my first impressions, gotta give it a "proper" listen. And the cover's not half-bad either (cough, cough). Kevin M Sommers novadrive at cox.net kms at kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17/04/2007 15:36, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> I'll echo Kevin's comments here. I've loved Alan's previous stuff, >> particularly Captured Rotation, but this is a step up again in his >> work - really terrific and highly individualistic material. > > Yup, this one does nudge itself into distinctly new territories and > sounds. I mean, it still sounds like Alan Davey! But while I > would have been happy (and unsurprised) to hear more in the vein of > Bedouin and Captured Rotation, I was pleasantly pleased (if one can > use an expression like that) to hear it going places I hadn't > expected :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 19 11:45:15 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:45:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: <888243.41439.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 19/04/2007 15:52, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I think Alan sounds more and more like Lemmy (voice and playing) than ever before on the new 'un....... nothing at all like Chaos Delight for instance.... I think years of _trying_ to sing like Lemmy have .... paid off for Alan in spades! ;) Your mileage on whether this is a Good Thing may vary ..... On the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a Lemmy solo album that sounded like this musically. (Left to his own devices, I would expect Lemmy to, well, sound a lot like The Head Cat! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 19 12:29:56 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:29:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: On 19/04/2007 15:52, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I think Alan sounds more and more like Lemmy (voice and playing) than ever before on the new 'un....... nothing at all like Chaos Delight for instance.... I think years of _trying_ to sing like Lemmy have .... paid off for Alan in spades! ;) Your mileage on whether this is a Good Thing may vary ..... On the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a Lemmy solo album that sounded like this musically. (Left to his own devices, I would expect Lemmy to, well, sound a lot like The Head Cat! ;) I thought the new CD sounded very Motorhead-ish, more so than "Captured Rotation", abit like "Electric Tepee" maybe meets Lemmy solo...... maybe :) at first listen anyway...... Of course Chaos Delight was more of a SF instrumental home-produced synth-gadget rock thingy, abit like Helios Creed ca. "Planet X"..... but....... like the Pre-Med album sounded closer to Daveys solo stuff too ca. "Captured Rotation". I enjoyed the "spiderman" guitar solos on "Man Eggs From Mars" alot..... Christian NP: Sisters Of Mercy - "In Darkness...." (bootleg) ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Apr 19 16:05:25 2007 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:05:25 +0200 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers In-Reply-To: <200704191005.l3JA54KW023627@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 12:05 2007-04-19, you wrote: >Chris Raymond writes: > > > I might be remembering wrong, but i think there is an picture of Dave Brock > > wearing a BOC t-shirt > >Yep. I've seen that one somewhere. > >FoFP Pick your Yuri Gagarin vinyl incarnation, entitled "Welcome to the Future" on the Mausoleum label, and check its back side. .joe ================================================= Johan Edlundh/H?bo FF Usektionen/Lagledare P89 mailto: joe at bktv.nu P89: http://move.to/p89 H?bo FF: http://www.haboff.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 19 15:03:26 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:03:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: I forgot to mention - the other disc I got was "As Above So Below" - wow! That is an awesome rocking disc with shades of Lemmy / Motorhead written all over it (particularly track 2 makes me wanna get all romantic with classic melodic Motorhead stuff only with trippy lyrics) Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 19 April, 2007 6:29:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey CD On 19/04/2007 15:52, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I think Alan sounds more and more like Lemmy (voice and playing) than ever before on the new 'un....... nothing at all like Chaos Delight for instance.... I think years of _trying_ to sing like Lemmy have .... paid off for Alan in spades! ;) Your mileage on whether this is a Good Thing may vary ..... On the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a Lemmy solo album that sounded like this musically. (Left to his own devices, I would expect Lemmy to, well, sound a lot like The Head Cat! ;) I thought the new CD sounded very Motorhead-ish, more so than "Captured Rotation", abit like "Electric Tepee" maybe meets Lemmy solo...... maybe :) at first listen anyway...... Of course Chaos Delight was more of a SF instrumental home-produced synth-gadget rock thingy, abit like Helios Creed ca. "Planet X"..... but....... like the Pre-Med album sounded closer to Daveys solo stuff too ca. "Captured Rotation". I enjoyed the "spiderman" guitar solos on "Man Eggs From Mars" alot..... Christian NP: Sisters Of Mercy - "In Darkness...." (bootleg) ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Apr 19 19:17:45 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:17:45 -0400 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers In-Reply-To: <46273FD9.8060402@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:09:29AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 18/04/2007 19:08, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > >BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should > >get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! > > Didn't he used to sometimes be seen wearing a BOC T-shirt? :) You know, ever since Al told me that Buck was a surf music fan, I've wanted to hear BOC cover "Lay of the Surfers". Steve From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 20 04:38:17 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:38:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD In-Reply-To: <20070419190326.43273.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 19/04/2007 20:03, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I forgot to mention - the other disc I got was "As Above So Below" - wow! That is an awesome rocking disc with shades of Lemmy / Motorhead written all over it (particularly track 2 makes me wanna get all romantic with classic melodic Motorhead stuff only with trippy lyrics) Yeah, I hear more the Motorheadish vibe on that than the new one! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 20 04:54:51 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:54:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: Another Perfect Da(ve)y........ On Parole....... must be my two fave MH albums!!!!! np; Turbonegro - "Ass Cobra" ----- Original Message ---- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 20 April, 2007 10:38:17 AM Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey CD On 19/04/2007 20:03, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > I forgot to mention - the other disc I got was "As Above So Below" - wow! That is an awesome rocking disc with shades of Lemmy / Motorhead written all over it (particularly track 2 makes me wanna get all romantic with classic melodic Motorhead stuff only with trippy lyrics) Yeah, I hear more the Motorheadish vibe on that than the new one! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Fri Apr 20 10:51:11 2007 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:51:11 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre Message-ID: I do stand corrected about this latest nutcase. He had some psychological problems I wasn't aware of when I made my original post. But by the same token, he was deemed to be not a threat to anyone else. And you'd never get away with denying the Second Amendment rights of anyone who's been clinically deemed not dangerous. Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit. The unscientific basis for my position is the fact that you just never see stories with the headline "armed man stops crime". I remember an episode of "All in the Family" where Archie got to do an opinion piece on the evening news. His solution to airline hijackings was to "arm all the passengers". It was supposed to be a joke, obviously, but there are still people who think that way. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: M Holmes >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:03:35 > >nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > >> I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the >people who think >> everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb >idea that would be. > >> "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, >like the Virginia >> Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 >people. > >Hey Ref! If I'm to keep quiet then the other side >should keep quiet >too... > >Short answer: those of us who think law-abiding >adults have a duty >to arm themselves to protect themselves and others >and stop crime do >believe that those with a medical history of bats >in the belfry should >be refused legal firearms. > >See the NY Times article analysing the 102 US >rampage kilers since the >war. All had either mental history or a history of >making public and >violent threats. > >FoFP From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 20 11:14:12 2007 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:14:12 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <20070420145111.96490.qmail@mmm1123.verio-web.com> Message-ID: *Second Amendment:* A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. How does that translate to handguns for private use; it seems that the right to guns ties in with the citizen militia, not the nutcase who has to have 6 dozen assorted pistols, rifles,rocket launchers, etc tim On 4/20/07, nick at thecompletesheet.com wrote: > > I do stand corrected about this latest nutcase. He had some psychological > problems I wasn't aware of when I made my original post. > > But by the same token, he was deemed to be not a threat to anyone else. > > And you'd never get away with denying the Second Amendment rights of > anyone who's been clinically deemed not dangerous. Lawsuit, lawsuit, > lawsuit. > > The unscientific basis for my position is the fact that you just never see > stories with the headline "armed man stops crime". > > I remember an episode of "All in the Family" where Archie got to do an > opinion piece on the evening news. His solution to airline hijackings was > to "arm all the passengers". > > It was supposed to be a joke, obviously, but there are still people who > think that way. > > > --Nick > > > > > >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- > >From: M Holmes > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:03:35 > > > >nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > > > >> I almost wish they'd arm everyone, just so the > >people who think > >> everybody SHOULD be armed could see what a dumb > >idea that would be. > > > >> "No, we'd only arm law-abiding citizens". Yeah, > >like the Virginia > >> Tech gunman was. . . before he killed 32 > >people. > > > >Hey Ref! If I'm to keep quiet then the other side > >should keep quiet > >too... > > > >Short answer: those of us who think law-abiding > >adults have a duty > >to arm themselves to protect themselves and others > >and stop crime do > >believe that those with a medical history of bats > >in the belfry should > >be refused legal firearms. > > > >See the NY Times article analysing the 102 US > >rampage kilers since the > >war. All had either mental history or a history of > >making public and > >violent threats. > > > >FoFP > -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 20 12:06:13 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:06:13 +0100 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: nick@THECOMPLETESHEET.COM's message of Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: > I do stand corrected about this latest nutcase. He had some > psychological problems I wasn't aware of when I made my original post. > But by the same token, he was deemed to be not a threat to anyone > else. > And you'd never get away with denying the Second Amendment rights of > anyone who's been clinically deemed not dangerous. Lawsuit, lawsuit, > lawsuit. This is what yanks call me a "gun banner": I reckon that someone's doc should get to say "no" to the application form. > The unscientific basis for my position is the fact that you just never > see stories with the headline "armed man stops crime". I get those half a dozen a day on Libernet. The meedja don't print 'em though. When that out-of-state cop stopped the would-be rampage killer in the mall by ventilating him, the papers in the Yookay sinmply omitted that detail in favour of "the cops" stopping him. > I remember an episode of "All in the Family" where Archie got to do an > opinion piece on the evening news. His solution to airline hijackings > was to "arm all the passengers". I'm in favour of that. It worked in Israel. I think The Rules state quite firmly that a Glock trumps a boxcutter. > It was supposed to be a joke, obviously, but there are still people > who think that way. Yo dood! (*) FoFP * and no, people do not get sucked out of the bulletholes. See Mythbusters for details, or if you prefer, the plane out of Hawaii that became an impromptu convertible and still landed with all but nine of the passengers. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 20 12:08:19 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:08:19 +0100 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: tim elliott's message of Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: tim elliott writes: > *Second Amendment:* A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the > security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, > shall not be infringed. > How does that translate to handguns for private use; it seems that the > right to guns ties in with the citizen militia, not the nutcase who has to > have 6 dozen assorted pistols, rifles,rocket launchers, etc Jeese, two minutes on the web and you could have read the Washington DC Supreme decision that says otherwise. Two and a half minutes and you could have read works by the Framers that make it plenty clear they meant personal firearms and they just weren't as good as Lynn Truss at punctuation. FoFP From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri Apr 20 12:49:16 2007 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:49:16 -0400 Subject: [GGCoolPeopleTalk] Slain Israeli Professor Saved Others in Va. Tech Massacre In-Reply-To: <200704201608.l3KG8JnX022492@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: That's just nit-picking Mike; I still doubt the Framers were thinking of 9MMs * Uzis...(and of course, the Supreme Courts NEVER wrong about anything... tim 8>)... On 4/20/07, M Holmes wrote: > > tim elliott writes: > > > *Second Amendment:* A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the > > security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, > > shall not be infringed. > > How does that translate to handguns for private use; it seems that the > > right to guns ties in with the citizen militia, not the nutcase who has > to > > have 6 dozen assorted pistols, rifles,rocket launchers, etc > > Jeese, two minutes on the web and you could have read the Washington DC > Supreme decision that says otherwise. Two and a half minutes and you > could have read works by the Framers that make it plenty clear they > meant personal firearms and they just weren't as good as Lynn Truss at > punctuation. > > FoFP > -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 20 15:15:43 2007 From: joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM (Jon Jon) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:15:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: Just listening to the new alan davey cd - very good.Can anyone out there help me out with something that is bugging me?Track 5 - marine snow - thought that i had heard it beforethen i realised, it was played over and over at the recent dvd filming up at rotheramcan anyone out there ratify my addled memory?Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Apr 20 15:23:42 2007 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:23:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey CD Message-ID: Jon Jon wrote: > > Just listening to the new alan davey cd - very good.Can anyone out there help me out with something that is bugging me?Track 5 - marine snow - thought that i had heard it beforethen i realised, it was played over and over at the recent dvd filming up at rotheramcan anyone out there ratify my addled memory?Jonathan It accompanied Dave's narration from "A Midsummer Night's Dream" on the last tour. Keef From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Apr 20 18:12:16 2007 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:12:16 -0700 Subject: HW: HWCA set and comp CDRs to offer In-Reply-To: <20070416020105.GA19849@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Hey Folks... I'm still going through my "stuff" and trying to liquidate as much of it as I can before I head across the pond again in June. I seem to have a spare set of the four CDRs that I compiled (with some help from fellow boc-lers) as a continuation of the original four Hawkwind Covers All tapes of various Hawkwind cover versions. I'm not sure what/who this set was originally for, but I'll offer them to whomever didn't already get a set during the original tree offer or otherwise. First come, first serve. BTW, graphics for self-service booklet/tray card-printing still available here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files/ I also have a self-made 2CDR chronological compilation of Hawkwind songs from the whole history of the band, well from 1970-to-2001 at least. It's kind of like the 25 Years On 4-CD set, only half as long, and my particular choices. These I made for someone (here?) that was a BOC-fan or something, and wanted to know about the other half, maybe. I forget exactly. But anyway, I made these originals ("masters") and then burned a second set from these originals, because then I could do a "burn at once" that would take out all the 2-second gaps between the tracks, and that greatly improved the "A&B/tGV" transition, needless to say (there was still a gap, though it was only about 1/10 of a second instead). So these ones have that gap, which is annoying just in that one spot, but what can one do? Also, there is a third disc that I made on a lark, called "Equal Time," that is IMHO the absolute WORST of Hawkwind (you know, crap like Phone Home Elliot, or what have you), although I'm sure some folx here would claim to like some of these tracks. :) I guess I did this to warn a "newbie" about how easily it is to go out and naively buy crappy HW discs without knowing it ahead of time. So, as I don't really need these three discs anymore either, I'll offer them to another boc-ler who is similarly curious though largely unaware of Hawkwind's sonic history. As this will obviously not be the same person as the above (those interested in the HWCA series), I will be expecting two separate claims/trade offers. As always, I don't wish for monetary compensation, as that would violate the obvious (hopefully, as it is, I won't hear from any "bootlegging police"), so I would only hope to get a CDR or two of something interesting musically-speaking that I don't already have. I suppose this could be a "worldwide" offer, not limited geographically or anything, though you would get the items sans jewel boxes for sure if outside the US/Canada. Well, that's all I had for now. I just wanted to put something related to HW here, as some folk here have ignored our humble moderator's friendly advice and continued to beat the dead horse of gun control politics. (Ironically, I'll go ahead and take the bait and violate it myself, and wonder if it wouldn't help out the situation in Iraq if the US imposed a law there that every man, woman, and child were armed 24/7...if it was going to keep crazy people and criminals from indiscriminately killing unarmed innocent bystanders so effectively here/elsewhere.) ObCD seconded: Comets on Fire - Blue Cathedral ObLiveAct: Green Milk from the Planet Orange Grakkl --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Apr 20 18:49:46 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:49:46 -0400 Subject: HW: HWCA set and comp CDRs to offer Message-ID: Keith, I'll take the "covers" discs if they are unclaimed. -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Henderson" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: 4/20/07 6:12 PM Subject: HW: HWCA set and comp CDRs to offer Hey Folks... I'm still going through my "stuff" and trying to liquidate as much of it as I can before I head across the pond again in June. I seem to have a spare set of the four CDRs that I compiled (with some help from fellow boc-lers) as a continuation of the original four Hawkwind Covers All tapes of various Hawkwind cover versions. I'm not sure what/who this set was originally for, but I'll offer them to whomever didn't already get a set during the original tree offer or otherwise. First come, first serve. BTW, graphics for self-service booklet/tray card-printing still available here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files/ I also have a self-made 2CDR chronological compilation of Hawkwind songs from the whole history of the band, well from 1970-to-2001 at least. It's kind of like the 25 Years On 4-CD set, only half as long, and my particular choices. These I made for someone (here?) that was a BOC-fan or something, and wanted to know about the other half, maybe. I forget exactly. But anyway, I made these originals ("masters") and then burned a second set from these originals, because then I could do a "burn at once" that would take out all the 2-second gaps between the tracks, and that greatly improved the "A&B/tGV" transition, needless to say (there was still a gap, though it was only about 1/10 of a second instead). So these ones have that gap, which is annoying just in that one spot, but what can one do? Also, there is a third disc that I made on a lark, called "Equal Time," that is IMHO the absolute WORST of Hawkwind (you know, crap like Phone Home Elliot, or what have you), although I'm sure some folx here would claim to like some of these tracks. :) I guess I did this to warn a "newbie" about how easily it is to go out and naively buy crappy HW discs without knowing it ahead of time. So, as I don't really need these three discs anymore either, I'll offer them to another boc-ler who is similarly curious though largely unaware of Hawkwind's sonic history. As this will obviously not be the same person as the above (those interested in the HWCA series), I will be expecting two separate claims/trade offers. As always, I don't wish for monetary compensation, as that would violate the obvious (hopefully, as it is, I won't hear from any "bootlegging police"), so I would only hope to get a CDR or two of something interesting musically-speaking that I don't already have. I suppose this could be a "worldwide" offer, not limited geographically or anything, though you would get the items sans jewel boxes for sure if outside the US/Canada. Well, that's all I had for now. I just wanted to put something related to HW here, as some folk here have ignored our humble moderator's friendly advice and continued to beat the dead horse of gun control politics. (Ironically, I'll go ahead and take the bait and violate it myself, and wonder if it wouldn't help out the situation in Iraq if the US imposed a law there that every man, woman, and child were armed 24/7...if it was going to keep crazy people and criminals from indiscriminately killing unarmed innocent bystanders so effectively here/elsewhere.) ObCD seconded: Comets on Fire - Blue Cathedral ObLiveAct: Green Milk from the Planet Orange Grakkl --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 22 07:27:44 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:27:44 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com APRIL 22, 2007: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #174), The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #14), and Drool Trough Radio (show #61). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #174) The Spacious Mind ? ?Rider of the Woodlands? (from Gentle Path Highway) Book Of Shadows ? ?Clouds In My Eyes? (from and then we all woke up) Rubble ? track 6 (from Rubble Demo) Baby Robots ? ?Flopper Gets? (from Catslovedrugsshoes) Earthmonkey ? ?Fun House? (from Be That Charge) The Other Window ? ?Time Thieves? (from Transition) Sally Tomato ? ?Adopted by Aliens? (from Conentration) Dream Robot ? ?Attack On Planet 9? (from Air Boy: Defender of the Earth) Random Touch ? ?Incompleteness Becomes Us? (from Alchemy) Joxfield Projex - "No More Treasures" (from The Pond Intermezzo) Plants ? ?Roots? (from Photosynthesis) Nonloc ? ?Sentry At Eleusis? (from Between Hemispheres) Dharma Son Collective ? ?The Great Improvisation in the Sky? (from Hallucination Nation) The Best of Alchemical Radio (show #14) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Psychedelia, Space Rock, Progressive Rock and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) Star Nation ? Coo Sticks Nick Bensen ? No Resistance Crowhead ? The Soul Is In The Dark Side Charles Goff III, Brett Hart & Hal McGee ? Piano-Bar Hyphen Danielle Brusaschetto & Sandblasting - Schiavo Hilda ? My Machine Colorstar ? Karma Tours Mostly Autumn ? The Night Sky Tim Mungenast ? Invaders From Below Mystery Juice ? Open My Mouth And Don Nothing Crowhead ? Fire Eye (Kill You) Drool Trough Radio (show #61) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Shay Tal ? ?Deadly Nightshade? (from Tambourina) Radiopuhelimet ? ?Viisi T?hte?? (from Viisi T?hte?) Valse Triste ? ?Siivutettu Etu? (from Madon Luku) Sally Tomato ? ?Nutty Buddies? (from Conentration) Cowbrain & Saw ? ?America? (from Uncertain Hand) Cheap Wine ? ?I Got Gasoline? (from Moving) Blotto ? ?I Want To Be A Lifeguard? (from Hello! My Name Is Blotto. What's Yours?) Dimi Dero Inc ? ?Little Birds? (from Sisyphus, Window Cleaning) The Early Hours ? ?Baby? (from Lights, Guitars, Action!) Bill & the AntiDepressants ? ?Mandless Dribble? (from Project X) e jugend - ?What We Call Entertainment? (from Last Exit Wedding) Gino Foti ? ?Manushyas? (from Bhavachakra) The Touchers ? ?Brain? (from The Underwater Fascist) Court ? ?Limbo? (from Frost of Watermelon) The Dust Dive ? ?The Star Wars? (from Tens of Thousands) Scotty Griffith ? ?The Haruspex? (from Curare) Bob Crane ? ?Black Cord? (from The Mighty Hurricane Machine) Grayson Wray Project ? ?Inside My Own World? (from Imaginary Episodes) The Art of All ? ?Burn the Bridge? (From Morgan) Divergent Future ? ?Oblivion? (From Rift) http://Aural-Innovations.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 22 06:45:30 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:45:30 +0000 Subject: HW: finally since 88 Message-ID: YES! I finally got ahold of the FLICKNIFE version of "Chronicle of The Black Sword" CD (my original copy was stolen in 2001 with a bunch of other CDs at the Paris airport) - and it arrived in the post yesterday...... takes me back to 1988 to my first Hawkwind purchase, at age "sweet" 16 (I was young one!) as fresh new Hawkwind fan in 1988, my first year of High School. Of course by 1996 when I joined BOC-L I had about 80 HW CDs........ It set me back about 100 USD on Amazon.com but was well worth it!!! Christian ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sun Apr 22 22:34:20 2007 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:34:20 -0700 Subject: HW: YouTube video In-Reply-To: <200704202249.l3KMnkiP054601@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqKnebYlz2E Hi Folks... For the first time really, I've gone to YouTube to look at videos "unsolicited." I watched them from time to time, via link-embeds from various sites/blogs. But I just did a simple search on Hawkwind, just to see what came up. This one did, near the top. And I'm already confused as hell. Maybe my brain isn't working right, but it says "Cubby Bear - Chicago 1994" and I don't think that can be right. They didn't tour the US in 1994, did they? 1989, 1990, 1991, 1995, "1997" (StrangeWind). And that's Ron singing *and* playing bass (a Gibson), right? And there's somebody else on guitar over in the distant shadows. Perhaps Keef? Ron was on the 1995 tour, but didn't play bass then, only sang...Alan was still in the band. And in 1997, he was stuck in Canada with Dave. I dunno...it seems to me that this is from England, sometime when Alan was off doing Beduoin fulltime, and Keef was playing backup guitar...when would that have been, 1999-2000? How could either *I* or *this person*, be so completely wrong? :) One of us clearly is. Grakkl P.S. I should be outside, enjoying the weather. P.P.S. I know they played the Cubby Bear in 1990, 'cause I was there. But that was with Bridgett and Harvey, of course...long before Ron. And they may have played there in '95 again (?), but Ron would only have been singing, right? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From hawkfanatic at YAHOO.COM Sun Apr 22 23:17:50 2007 From: hawkfanatic at YAHOO.COM (Martin Richards) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:17:50 -0500 Subject: YouTube video In-Reply-To: <991378.81412.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think you'll find this was 1997 August 24th according to a weblinkhttp://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/cubby.html. I have a couple of copies of the VHS stuck somewhere I bought at the Hawkestra. Jerry on guitar if I remember right. I thought it was 1998 or 1999 the stuck in Canada happened -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:34 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqKnebYlz2E Hi Folks... For the first time really, I've gone to YouTube to look at videos "unsolicited." I watched them from time to time, via link-embeds from various sites/blogs. But I just did a simple search on Hawkwind, just to see what came up. This one did, near the top. And I'm already confused as hell. Maybe my brain isn't working right, but it says "Cubby Bear - Chicago 1994" and I don't think that can be right. They didn't tour the US in 1994, did they? 1989, 1990, 1991, 1995, "1997" (StrangeWind). And that's Ron singing *and* playing bass (a Gibson), right? And there's somebody else on guitar over in the distant shadows. Perhaps Keef? Ron was on the 1995 tour, but didn't play bass then, only sang...Alan was still in the band. And in 1997, he was stuck in Canada with Dave. I dunno...it seems to me that this is from England, sometime when Alan was off doing Beduoin fulltime, and Keef was playing backup guitar...when would that have been, 1999-2000? How could either *I* or *this person*, be so completely wrong? :) One of us clearly is. Grakkl P.S. I should be outside, enjoying the weather. P.P.S. I know they played the Cubby Bear in 1990, 'cause I was there. But that was with Bridgett and Harvey, of course...long before Ron. And they may have played there in '95 again (?), but Ron would only have been singing, right? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Apr 23 00:15:36 2007 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:15:36 -0400 Subject: YouTube video Message-ID: The year of the video you're talking about is 1997. Jerry Richards is playing guitar. Ron and Dave were stopped in Canada in 1998. John Majka > They didn't tour the US in 1994, did they? 1989, 1990, 1991, 1995, > "1997" (StrangeWind). And that's Ron singing *and* playing bass (a > Gibson), right? And there's somebody else on guitar over in the distant > shadows. Perhaps Keef? > > Ron was on the 1995 tour, but didn't play bass then, only sang...Alan was > still in the band. And in 1997, he was stuck in Canada with Dave. > > I dunno...it seems to me that this is from England, sometime when Alan > was off doing Beduoin fulltime, and Keef was playing backup guitar...when > would that have been, 1999-2000? > > How could either *I* or *this person*, be so completely wrong? :) One > of us clearly is. > > Grakkl > > P.S. I should be outside, enjoying the weather. > > P.P.S. I know they played the Cubby Bear in 1990, 'cause I was there. > But that was with Bridgett and Harvey, of course...long before Ron. And > they may have played there in '95 again (?), but Ron would only have been > singing, right? > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 22 11:08:47 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:08:47 +0000 Subject: HW/tBS: Hawkwind covers Message-ID: Like the lyric from Marshall Plan "I ain't playing no surf music!" Christian NP: CRASS - "Christ- the bootleg" *nudge nudge wink wink* PS: you can't surf to it On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:09:29AM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 18/04/2007 19:08, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > >BOC members supporting the Hawks!!! Thats amazing......maybe one should > >get Dave Brock to do a BOC cover!! > > Didn't he used to sometimes be seen wearing a BOC T-shirt? :) You know, ever since Al told me that Buck was a surf music fan, I've wanted to hear BOC cover "Lay of the Surfers". Steve Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 22 11:17:26 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:17:26 +0000 Subject: HW: finally since 88 Message-ID: ......cause it has "Arioch" on its worth the hundred bucks a pop! AWESOME & KEWL back to being a Teenage Werewolf ! Christian Mournblade it iz ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 12:45:30 PM Subject: HW: finally since 88 YES! I finally got ahold of the FLICKNIFE version of "Chronicle of The Black Sword" CD (my original copy was stolen in 2001 with a bunch of other CDs at the Paris airport) - and it arrived in the post yesterday...... takes me back to 1988 to my first Hawkwind purchase, at age "sweet" 16 (I was young one!) as fresh new Hawkwind fan in 1988, my first year of High School. Of course by 1996 when I joined BOC-L I had about 80 HW CDs........ It set me back about 100 USD on Amazon.com but was well worth it!!! Christian ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 22 23:18:07 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:18:07 +0100 Subject: HW: YouTube video In-Reply-To: <991378.81412.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: if ron is talking about his bodypaint colors changing its from cubby bear 97. used to have a boodleg cdr of this (and i did the cover art) - see the slides at myspace.com/mumfordsen christian Keith Henderson wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqKnebYlz2E Hi Folks... For the first time really, I've gone to YouTube to look at videos "unsolicited." I watched them from time to time, via link-embeds from various sites/blogs. But I just did a simple search on Hawkwind, just to see what came up. This one did, near the top. And I'm already confused as hell. Maybe my brain isn't working right, but it says "Cubby Bear - Chicago 1994" and I don't think that can be right. They didn't tour the US in 1994, did they? 1989, 1990, 1991, 1995, "1997" (StrangeWind). And that's Ron singing *and* playing bass (a Gibson), right? And there's somebody else on guitar over in the distant shadows. Perhaps Keef? Ron was on the 1995 tour, but didn't play bass then, only sang...Alan was still in the band. And in 1997, he was stuck in Canada with Dave. I dunno...it seems to me that this is from England, sometime when Alan was off doing Beduoin fulltime, and Keef was playing backup guitar...when would that have been, 1999-2000? How could either *I* or *this person*, be so completely wrong? :) One of us clearly is. Grakkl P.S. I should be outside, enjoying the weather. P.P.S. I know they played the Cubby Bear in 1990, 'cause I was there. But that was with Bridgett and Harvey, of course...long before Ron. And they may have played there in '95 again (?), but Ron would only have been singing, right? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 23 11:36:56 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:36:56 +0100 Subject: NIK (was HW: Do Not Panic documentary) In-Reply-To: <20070402233423.GA23508@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 07:34:23PM -0400, Stephen Swann typed out: > You know, I see this Turner that you describe showing up on > videos and such, but when my wife and I saw him some years > ago touring in the States, he was downright gentlemanly - > gracious, even. At the end, he bowed and thanked the > audience for attending and all! It was the second time my > wife had seen him, and she loved both shows that she's seen. > Adn the guys backing him (on that tour at least) were > anything but pub comedians... I think that, although obviously I've not been and seen and am going only from recordings, that Nik in the USA is a very different deal to Nik in the UK. Mainly it's that the band he tows around is different. Be it Pressurehed, Farflung, Five Fifteen, Anubian Lights or Spaceseed, they're almost always a coherent band in their own right, because he can't, save one or two people with very portable or already- transatlantic instruments, afford to truck over any of the old HW crew. So the show you get is far better-rehearsed and worked out already. But I also think the crowds must be different. Various people have made the point that what with the rarity that HW tours the USA, Nik's been more or less the figurehead of UK spacerock over there. Easy enough for him; he only has to put a sax and a flute in the baggage and hook up with a band, but the fact that he does this is obviously good for the US audience who wants to see the full act. In the UK however, a lot of people--as we've seen--are aware that Nik can deliver an outrageously bad show, with under- or unrehearsed backing band pulled together at the last moment, ex-HW members recruited for their connection to the band rather than their actual ability (Space Ritual's rhythm section please look away) and so on. So the people who come out are the people who either don't mind seeing an average party band doing HW standards, or else who are righteously convinced that Nik has `the spirit of Hawkwind' and so on. And neither of these groups will slag Nik off for being sub-par, so he can get away with it, but in the USA he has to perform for the audience that's expecting it. (The fact that I assume those tours have to pay for themselves whereas he can do UK gigs on goodwill and hopes may also be something to do with it...) I will say that I have never seen Nik be anything less than a gentleman from the stage, or off it when I've briefly met him, he seemed a lovely guy even when he and everyone else knew the performance was terrible (Inner Cuty Pompadours being the prime example). The only exception might be the second Hawkestra, where he did seem a little bit prima donna bandleader, but then he was only just in command of a huge juggernaut of musicians, and he had Ade Shaw and Jerry Richards as more amenable lieutenants. But that doesn't mean that he performs well. If I had a Hawkwind album for every time I've seen Nik come in an odd number of bars out of time (even I could understand more, but he's often one or three bars out, which is just weird) or forget his words (*his* words, that he's been doing for twenty-five to thirty years) I'd have a Komplete Kollection and then some to trade... Now Dave may be a grumpy control freak who no longer cares about much but his farm and his royalties (*may* be :-) ) but I can't remember when I saw him miss a cue or fluff a part. But for a UK audience `Nik Turner' is kind of a label for "we didn't really bother working on this gig because we're all friends here anyway right?" and that only works for some people. So it seems to me, anyway, yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 23 12:39:58 2007 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:39:58 +0200 Subject: HW: finally since 88 In-Reply-To: <875912.97524.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote [unscrambled]: > YES! I finally got ahold of the FLICKNIFE version of "Chronicle of The Black Sword" CD (my original copy was stolen in 2001 with a bunch of other CDs at the Paris airport) - and it arrived in the post yesterday...... takes me back to 1988 to my first Hawkwind purchase, at age "sweet" 16 (I was young one!) as fresh new Hawkwind fan in 1988, my first year of High School. Of course by 1996 when I joined BOC-L I had about 80 HW CDs........ > > It set me back about 100 USD on Amazon.com but was well worth it!!! > ......cause it has "Arioch" on its worth the hundred bucks a pop! Ok, what's the difference between these versions? Wikipedia says the Griffin version shouldn't have "Arioch" on it - Amazon and my version of reality suggest something else. Mine's from Griffin, Made in Canada, GCDHA-0142-2, same track listing as the one offered for $94 (yikes!) at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/2wo2lr I think I bought mine at CompactHuset in Haugesund, Norway sometime around 1998. Damn, that shop was great. -- Roy From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 23 13:23:08 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:08 +0100 Subject: HW: finally since 88 In-Reply-To: <20070423163958.GA10202@inferno> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 2007, at 17:39, Roy G. Ovrebo wrote: > Ok, what's the difference between these versions? Wikipedia says the > Griffin version shouldn't have "Arioch" on it - Amazon and my > version of > reality suggest something else. Mine's from Griffin, Made in Canada, > GCDHA-0142-2, same track listing as the one offered for $94 > (yikes!) at > Amazon My version of reality agrees with yours. I have both the Flicknife and Griffin versions back in the US, and copied the Girffin version to a hard drive last time I was near my CDs. The bonus tracks from it are the studio version of "Arioch", "The War I Survived", and "Voice inside Your Head" (both of the latter recorded live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London, 22 April 1988, I believe). Just out of curiosity .... the Flicknife CD has live versions of "Assault And Battery" and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears", no? Are these (basically) the same live versions that appear on the Griffin 2CD version of _Live Chronicles_? (It may say in the liner notes, but my CD is on the other side of the ocean just now :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 23 13:57:59 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:59 +0100 Subject: NIK (was HW: Do Not Panic documentary) In-Reply-To: <20070423153656.GC5448@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 2007, at 16:36, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I think that, although obviously I've not been and seen and am > going only from recordings, that Nik in the USA is a very different > deal > to Nik in the UK. Mainly it's that the band he tows around is > different. > Be it Pressurehed, Farflung, Five Fifteen, Anubian Lights or > Spaceseed, > they're almost always a coherent band in their own right [...] > So the show you get is far better-rehearsed and worked out already. > [...] In the UK however, a > lot of people--as we've seen--are aware that Nik can deliver an > outrageously bad show, with under- or unrehearsed backing band pulled > together at the last moment, ex-HW members recruited for their > connection to the band rather than their actual ability (Space > Ritual's > rhythm section please look away) and so on. Because the US backing bands are made up of fans who are sufficiently organized dudes that they've got their own bands going on anyway. In the UK, Nik's backing band tends to be a .... loose conglomeration of people who probably wouldn't be doing anything at all if Nik didn't browbeat them into showing up! > I will say that I have never seen Nik be anything less than a > gentleman from the stage, or off it when I've briefly met him, he > seemed > a lovely guy even when he and everyone else knew the performance was > terrible (Inner Cuty Pompadours being the prime example). No argument from me. He was very cool, if slightly mad, the few times I've met him personally. 'Course, I've never tried to _work_ with him! (We talked about him putting some sax on some of my Scylding tracks but Chris Bruce was too strung out for us to pull that off and Nik might not have showed up anyway, and Larry Boyd absolutely refused to discuss letting Nik on stage with Das Ludicroix at Strange Daze '99 because he said, probably rightly, Nik would just want to play "(Washing) Silver Machine" for half an hour ;). But I do also remember some of the dudes in darXtar expressing a certain amount of exasperation with what we might generously describe as Nik's "work ethic" ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Apr 23 14:25:09 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:25:09 -0400 Subject: NIK (was HW: Do Not Panic documentary) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > No argument from me. He was very cool, if slightly mad, the few > times I've met him personally. 'Course, I've never tried to _work_ > with him! (We talked about him putting some sax on some of my > Scylding tracks but Chris Bruce was too strung out for us to pull > that off Heh, I never knew that. What a surprise that would have been for the synthfish here! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 23 15:07:19 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:07:19 +0100 Subject: NIK (was HW: Do Not Panic documentary) In-Reply-To: <20070423142509.mccgggos0gks8w44@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 2007, at 19:25, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : >> No argument from me. He was very cool, if slightly mad, the few >> times I've met him personally. 'Course, I've never tried to _work_ >> with him! (We talked about him putting some sax on some of my >> Scylding tracks but Chris Bruce was too strung out for us to pull >> that off > > Heh, I never knew that. What a surprise that would have been for > the synthfish here! Heh, yeah, it woulda been, no? :) Yeah, Chris Bruce introduced us briefly at the Boston show on the second Nikwind tour ('95?) and Nik was very cool and chatted to me about stuff even though I was basically just there as a fan who wanted to meet him :) Chris said I was recording some stuff at Chris's studio, and Nik was totally amenable (at least in that moment!) to coming over and doing something (and, yeah, it totally would have been on the "Ossian's Ride" track you also played on, David -- that was my big Hawkwind-pastiche extravaganza piece! :) .... But, of course, you know that it just wasn't going to work out to get all the pieces in place before Nikwind rolled out of town. Would have been OK if Nik _had_ played Silver Machine for half an hour, actually, since the main riff in "Ossian's Way" was basically the Silver Machine chords with the rhythm from Monster Magnet's "Dinosaur Vacuum" (another band not adverse to lifting from the masters :) Then we wouldn't have had to claim the recordings had "only one less original member of Hawkwind than the current Hawkwind lineup" ;) and it probably wouldn't have been as shambolic as some of Nik's more recent UK gigs! :) Good guy, though, Nik. In another slightly more organized world, we mighta pulled it off! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 23 17:19:34 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:19:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <20070405001732.GA5733@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 08:17:32PM -0400, Stephen Swann typed out: > I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't > have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". I think _Space Ritual_ is one of the few places where you can really hear what nik contributed to that sound, back then. On the Castle _Best of_, and presumably elsewhere (it must be from SRII originally I guess?) there's a variant mix of `Space is Deep', which has Nik much more obvious in the recording, and the parts he's playing are a constant and musical, if rather unschooled, contribution, which gels marvellously with Del's offhand wanderings and is really a fully- functional *part*. I don't know if on other things, like _1999 Party_, he was just wandering round too far from the mike, or if Dave mixed him out, and if the latter whether his playing had got worse and merited it, but that recording alone shows that Nik did actually *do* something for early HW. The trouble is that that doesn't excuse the eighties. But then very little will... Yours, Jon ObCD: Led Zeppelin - _Presence_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Apr 23 20:29:46 2007 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:29:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And in the blue corner...anyone know anything more about this??? HAWKWIND: SPACE RITUAL (2CD Remastered+Bonus DVD -) Well, this is what you've all been waiting for - the remastering of the classic Hawkwind 70's back-catalogue, and it starts early in June 2007 with 'Space Ritual' and it's packed with Bonus Material Please pre-order your copy now... Track List - CD 1: 01. Earth Calling (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Born To Go (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Down Through The Night (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. The Awakening (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Lord Of Light (2007 Digital Remaster) 06. The Black Corridor (2007 Digital Remaster) 07. Space Is Deep (2007 Digital Remaster) 08. Electronic No.1 (2007 Digital Remaster) 09. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster) 10. Upside Down (2007 Digital Remaster) 11. 10 Seconds Of Forever (2007 Digital Remaster) 12. Brainstorm (Complete Version) CD 2 01. Seven By Seven (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Sonic Attack (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. Master Of The Universe (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Welcome To The Future (Complete Version) 06. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version) 07. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 08. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 09. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version - Alternative Version) DVD 3 01. Earth Calling (DTS 96/24) 02. Born To Go (DTS 96/24) 03. Down Through The Night (DTS 96/24) 04. The Awakening (DTS 96/24) 05. Lord Of Light (DTS 96/24) 06. The Black Corridor (DTS 96/24) 07. Space Is Deep (DTS 96/24) 08. Electronic No.1 (DTS 96/24) 09. Orgone Accumulator (DTS 96/24) 10. Upside Down (DTS 96/24) 11. Seconds Of Forever (DTS 96/24) 12. Brainstorm (DTS 96/24) 13. Seven By Seven (DTS 96/24) 14. Sonic Attack (DTS 96/24) 15. Time We Left This World Today (DTS 96/24) 16. Master Of The Universe (DTS 96/24) 17. Welcome To The Future (DTS 96/24) 18. You Shouldn't Do That (DTS 96/24) 19. Earth Calling (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 20. Born To Go (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 21. Down Through The Night (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 22. The Awakening (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 23. Lord Of Light (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 24. The Black Corridor (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 25. Space Is Deep (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 26. Electronic No 1 (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 27. Orgone Accumulator (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 28. Upside Down (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 29. 10 Seconds Of Forever (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 30. Brainstorm (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 31. Seven By Seven (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 32. Sonic Attack (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 33. Time We Left This World Today (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 34. Master Of The Universe (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 35. Welcome To The Future (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 36. You Shouldn't Do That (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 24 04:15:16 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:15:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462D4F7A.9090600@comcast.net> Message-ID: It is the first release in a remastered series from EMI. In addition to the CDs, it also has a DVd that contains the recordings at "better" bit rates etc. This is not a DVD video. Rich W wrote: And in the blue corner...anyone know anything more about this??? HAWKWIND: SPACE RITUAL (2CD Remastered+Bonus DVD -) Well, this is what you've all been waiting for - the remastering of the classic Hawkwind 70's back-catalogue, and it starts early in June 2007 with 'Space Ritual' and it's packed with Bonus Material Please pre-order your copy now... Track List - CD 1: 01. Earth Calling (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Born To Go (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Down Through The Night (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. The Awakening (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Lord Of Light (2007 Digital Remaster) 06. The Black Corridor (2007 Digital Remaster) 07. Space Is Deep (2007 Digital Remaster) 08. Electronic No.1 (2007 Digital Remaster) 09. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster) 10. Upside Down (2007 Digital Remaster) 11. 10 Seconds Of Forever (2007 Digital Remaster) 12. Brainstorm (Complete Version) CD 2 01. Seven By Seven (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Sonic Attack (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. Master Of The Universe (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Welcome To The Future (Complete Version) 06. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version) 07. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 08. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 09. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version - Alternative Version) DVD 3 01. Earth Calling (DTS 96/24) 02. Born To Go (DTS 96/24) 03. Down Through The Night (DTS 96/24) 04. The Awakening (DTS 96/24) 05. Lord Of Light (DTS 96/24) 06. The Black Corridor (DTS 96/24) 07. Space Is Deep (DTS 96/24) 08. Electronic No.1 (DTS 96/24) 09. Orgone Accumulator (DTS 96/24) 10. Upside Down (DTS 96/24) 11. Seconds Of Forever (DTS 96/24) 12. Brainstorm (DTS 96/24) 13. Seven By Seven (DTS 96/24) 14. Sonic Attack (DTS 96/24) 15. Time We Left This World Today (DTS 96/24) 16. Master Of The Universe (DTS 96/24) 17. Welcome To The Future (DTS 96/24) 18. You Shouldn't Do That (DTS 96/24) 19. Earth Calling (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 20. Born To Go (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 21. Down Through The Night (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 22. The Awakening (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 23. Lord Of Light (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 24. The Black Corridor (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 25. Space Is Deep (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 26. Electronic No 1 (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 27. Orgone Accumulator (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 28. Upside Down (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 29. 10 Seconds Of Forever (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 30. Brainstorm (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 31. Seven By Seven (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 32. Sonic Attack (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 33. Time We Left This World Today (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 34. Master Of The Universe (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 35. Welcome To The Future (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 36. You Shouldn't Do That (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 24 04:19:10 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:19:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462D4F7A.9090600@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 24/04/2007 01:29, Rich W wrote: > And in the blue corner...anyone know anything more about this??? > > HAWKWIND: SPACE RITUAL (2CD Remastered+Bonus DVD -) > Well, this is what you've all been waiting for - the remastering of the > classic Hawkwind 70's back-catalogue, and it starts early in June 2007 > with 'Space Ritual' and it's packed with Bonus Material Please > pre-order your copy now... > [...] Where did *that* spring from!? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 24 04:22:29 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:22:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <813025.99494.qm@web23212.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 24/04/2007 09:15, Colin Allen wrote: > It is the first release in a remastered series from EMI. In addition to the CDs, it also has a DVd that contains the recordings at "better" bit rates etc. This is not a DVD video. Well that's actually kind of cool. I remember it was only the early 90s when people spoke confidently that _Space Ritual_ would never get released on CD in any form ... and now it's coming on DTS and 24-bit stereo!? Anyone know if the DTS is a 5.1 mix? :) I've no way of actually playing that at present, but then I didn't have a CD player when I bought my first CDs, either :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Tue Apr 24 04:24:32 2007 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:24:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462D4F7A.9090600@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:29:46 -0500, Rich W wrote > And in the blue corner...anyone know anything more about this??? > > HAWKWIND: SPACE RITUAL (2CD Remastered+Bonus DVD -) > > Well, this is what you've all been waiting for - the remastering of > the classic Hawkwind 70's back-catalogue, and it starts early in > June 2007 with 'Space Ritual' and it's packed with Bonus Material > Please pre-order your copy now... I wouldn't mind a remastering of the 80's and/or 90's catalogue, to be honest, if only for the availability. Who's releasing this? Gr, Arjan H From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue Apr 24 05:45:30 2007 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:45:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog Message-ID: They probably will use the same remasterring they did last time in 1996. And that so called better 5.1 ? Really fantastic if you like looking to a guitarplayer who plays on the rightcorner of the screen and hear him somewhere behind you left upstares.Or the singer who sings in front of you but jump from behind you from the rear speakers.What will they come up next?? Vinyll-CD-DAT-Laserdisc-MP3-HDCD-Minidisc-DVD-5.1...........back to vinyll perhaps? And all that remastering?? What wrong with the original?I have all the "Space Ritual",One-Way,remastered Emi,not remastered and the best ones are still my big gatefold vinyll ones ! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog > It is the first release in a remastered series from EMI. In addition to > the CDs, it also has a DVd that contains the recordings at "better" bit > rates etc. This is not a DVD video. > > Rich W wrote: And in the blue corner...anyone > know anything more about this??? > > > HAWKWIND: SPACE RITUAL (2CD Remastered+Bonus DVD -) > > Well, this is what you've all been waiting for - the remastering of the > classic Hawkwind 70's back-catalogue, and it starts early in June 2007 > with 'Space Ritual' and it's packed with Bonus Material Please pre-order > your copy now... > > Track List - CD 1: > 01. Earth Calling (2007 Digital Remaster) > 02. Born To Go (2007 Digital Remaster) > 03. Down Through The Night (2007 Digital Remaster) > 04. The Awakening (2007 Digital Remaster) > 05. Lord Of Light (2007 Digital Remaster) > 06. The Black Corridor (2007 Digital Remaster) > 07. Space Is Deep (2007 Digital Remaster) > 08. Electronic No.1 (2007 Digital Remaster) > 09. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster) > 10. Upside Down (2007 Digital Remaster) > 11. 10 Seconds Of Forever (2007 Digital Remaster) > 12. Brainstorm (Complete Version) > CD 2 > 01. Seven By Seven (2007 Digital Remaster) > 02. Sonic Attack (2007 Digital Remaster) > 03. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster) > 04. Master Of The Universe (2007 Digital Remaster) > 05. Welcome To The Future (Complete Version) > 06. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version) > 07. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) > 08. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative > Version) > 09. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version - Alternative Version) > DVD 3 > 01. Earth Calling (DTS 96/24) > 02. Born To Go (DTS 96/24) > 03. Down Through The Night (DTS 96/24) > 04. The Awakening (DTS 96/24) > 05. Lord Of Light (DTS 96/24) > 06. The Black Corridor (DTS 96/24) > 07. Space Is Deep (DTS 96/24) > 08. Electronic No.1 (DTS 96/24) > 09. Orgone Accumulator (DTS 96/24) > 10. Upside Down (DTS 96/24) > 11. Seconds Of Forever (DTS 96/24) > 12. Brainstorm (DTS 96/24) > 13. Seven By Seven (DTS 96/24) > 14. Sonic Attack (DTS 96/24) > 15. Time We Left This World Today (DTS 96/24) > 16. Master Of The Universe (DTS 96/24) > 17. Welcome To The Future (DTS 96/24) > 18. You Shouldn't Do That (DTS 96/24) > 19. Earth Calling (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) > 20. Born To Go (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) > 21. Down Through The Night (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) > 22. The Awakening (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) > 23. Lord Of Light (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) > 24. The Black Corridor (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 25. Space Is Deep (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 26. Electronic No 1 (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 27. Orgone Accumulator (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 28. Upside Down (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 29. 10 Seconds Of Forever (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 30. Brainstorm (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 31. Seven By Seven (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 32. Sonic Attack (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 33. Time We Left This World Today (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 34. Master Of The Universe (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 35. Welcome To The Future (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > 36. You Shouldn't Do That (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 24 06:16:52 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:16:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <001f01c78655$4c4e71e0$0202a8c0@filip> Message-ID: On 24/04/2007 10:45, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > They probably will use the same remasterring they did last time in 1996. > And that so called better 5.1 ? > Really fantastic if you like looking to a guitarplayer who plays on the > rightcorner of the screen and hear him somewhere behind you left > upstares.Or the singer who sings in front of you but jump from behind > you from the rear speakers.What will they come up next?? Well, the results of 5.1 are _really_ very much in the hands of the guy doing the mixing. It's his choice, after all, whether to put the singer in front of you or behind you ;) Probably many engineers don't have much experience mixing for 5.1 yet, so there have probably been some very odd results up to now. But I did hear a little of the 5.1 mix from the recent _Grateful Dead_ movie DVDs (I don't have 5.1, so this was on someone else's system) and it seemed to be to have been _very_ well done: not at all jarring or unnatural, but very _surrounding_. But then again, the guys working audio for the GD family tend to be insanely good, and it's easy to imagine other engineers with less experience going, perhaps, a bit nuts with the toys .... I guess Space Ritual for 5.1 could go either way! Though since there's no video providing a visual reference, being surrounded by swirling walls of Hawkwind might be less jarring in any case. How many tracks was the source originally recorded on? Anyone know? 16 tracks? 8? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Apr 24 08:09:26 2007 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:09:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462DD914.2050309@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I note for 'Brainstorm' and 'Welcome to the future' it says 'Complete' versions?! Whatever that means. Rich From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 24 08:40:02 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:40:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462DF376.6050300@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think on the original versions of brainstorm and also time we left they chopped a bit off due to lack of space..so to speak. IMO, its just EMI squeezing a few more bucks out of us mugs who would buy a cd of Brocky going to the loo, if it sound fx on it. These cds have ALREADY been remastered once, and i imagine ALL that will be released AGAIN will be everying up to Hall o t m g. ID MUCH RATHER SEE RERELEASES(& REMASTERED?) of the cds POST Hall o t m g. .. NOW they WOULD be worth buying! >From: Rich W >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:09:26 -0500 > >I note for 'Brainstorm' and 'Welcome to the future' it says 'Complete' >versions?! Whatever that means. > >Rich _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Apr 24 08:46:04 2007 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:46:04 +0200 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hej The earlier remaster on EMI in the great digipack with the mini booklet, it still had the edited version of Brainstorm and Time we left this World today, which were truncated on the original. Does it look like they have not put in the complete version of Brainstorm but not the Time we left, so we can buy this just one more time in the future??? The alt. version does not say that is is complete? I will of course have to get it as I have a great sound system these days and could really appreciate the DVD audio disc... scott Track List - CD 1: 01. Earth Calling (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Born To Go (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Down Through The Night (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. The Awakening (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Lord Of Light (2007 Digital Remaster) 06. The Black Corridor (2007 Digital Remaster) 07. Space Is Deep (2007 Digital Remaster) 08. Electronic No.1 (2007 Digital Remaster) 09. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster) 10. Upside Down (2007 Digital Remaster) 11. 10 Seconds Of Forever (2007 Digital Remaster) 12. Brainstorm (Complete Version) CD 2 01. Seven By Seven (2007 Digital Remaster) 02. Sonic Attack (2007 Digital Remaster) 03. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster) 04. Master Of The Universe (2007 Digital Remaster) 05. Welcome To The Future (Complete Version) 06. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version) 07. Orgone Accumulator (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 08. Time We Left This World Today (2007 Digital Remaster - Alternative Version) 09. You Shouldn't Do That (2007 Version - Alternative Version) DVD 3 01. Earth Calling (DTS 96/24) 02. Born To Go (DTS 96/24) 03. Down Through The Night (DTS 96/24) 04. The Awakening (DTS 96/24) 05. Lord Of Light (DTS 96/24) 06. The Black Corridor (DTS 96/24) 07. Space Is Deep (DTS 96/24) 08. Electronic No.1 (DTS 96/24) 09. Orgone Accumulator (DTS 96/24) 10. Upside Down (DTS 96/24) 11. Seconds Of Forever (DTS 96/24) 12. Brainstorm (DTS 96/24) 13. Seven By Seven (DTS 96/24) 14. Sonic Attack (DTS 96/24) 15. Time We Left This World Today (DTS 96/24) 16. Master Of The Universe (DTS 96/24) 17. Welcome To The Future (DTS 96/24) 18. You Shouldn't Do That (DTS 96/24) 19. Earth Calling (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 20. Born To Go (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 21. Down Through The Night (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 22. The Awakening (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 23. Lord Of Light (24 bit/48kHz Stereo) 24. The Black Corridor (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 25. Space Is Deep (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 26. Electronic No 1 (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 27. Orgone Accumulator (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 28. Upside Down (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 29. 10 Seconds Of Forever (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 30. Brainstorm (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 31. Seven By Seven (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 32. Sonic Attack (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 33. Time We Left This World Today (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 34. Master Of The Universe (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 35. Welcome To The Future (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) 36. You Shouldn't Do That (24 bit/48 kHz Stereo) From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Apr 24 09:02:30 2007 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:02:30 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone know if we'd have to buy a new kind of CD player ? Or can a standard CD player handle that higher bit rate ? also, not sure about this remaster, as didn't the band / engineer who did the last remaster say they had squeezed everything they could out of the master they were using.. I don't think it was the original multi-track masters, as I'm sure they would have remixed it at the same time.. I think it was from a 1/2 inch master. could be wrong... but thought i'd read it somewhere.. cheers Iain From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 24 10:59:50 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:59:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Re-Remastering the Back Catalog In-Reply-To: <462DF376.6050300@comcast.net> Message-ID: On the original version of Space Ritual, they were edited. SR2 has rough mixes of the full versions from the Brixton gig. Rich W wrote: I note for 'Brainstorm' and 'Welcome to the future' it says 'Complete' versions?! Whatever that means. Rich From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 24 11:00:28 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:00:28 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <462DFFE6.1030709@aol.com> Message-ID: On 24/04/2007 14:02, Iain Ferguson wrote: > Anyone know if we'd have to buy a new kind of CD player ? Or can a > standard CD player handle that higher bit rate ? Nope, standard CD players won't play DVD Audio; they only play Red Book CDs (16-bit stereo PCM at 44100 Hz). You'd need a different dedicated player, though I'm pretty sure I can rip this stuff to iTunes (or some other player) on my computer and play it like that. I've already got a bunch of higher-than-CD-bitrate audio in there from DVD sources. > also, not sure about this remaster, as didn't the band / engineer who > did the last remaster say they had squeezed everything they could out of > the master they were using.. Probably. If you've got a sufficiently high-end system (and good enough ears) then the higher bit rate will make a difference. > I don't think it was the original multi-track masters, as I'm sure they > would have remixed it at the same time.. I think it was from a 1/2 > inch master. could be wrong... but thought i'd read it somewhere.. Well, I'm not sure one could make an effective 5.1 mix from a stereo master. Maybe the DTS stuff is simply stereo as well? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Apr 24 11:01:28 2007 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:28 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <462DFFE6.1030709@aol.com> Message-ID: A standard CD player cannot deal with it. Iain Ferguson wrote: Anyone know if we'd have to buy a new kind of CD player ? Or can a standard CD player handle that higher bit rate ? also, not sure about this remaster, as didn't the band / engineer who did the last remaster say they had squeezed everything they could out of the master they were using.. I don't think it was the original multi-track masters, as I'm sure they would have remixed it at the same time.. I think it was from a 1/2 inch master. could be wrong... but thought i'd read it somewhere.. cheers Iain From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 24 11:23:17 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:23:17 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24/04/2007 13:46, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Does it look like > they have not put in the complete version of Brainstorm but not the Time > we left, so we can buy this just one more time in the future??? The alt. > version does not say that is is complete? Yeah, that would be tedious. We really ought to have _Space Ritual_ "as it should be without the limitations of vinyl": _no_ shortened tracks (why would we _not_ want to hear the full version of "Time We Left"!?), flowing continuously, and of course at stupendous quality :) Perhaps this is all just an artifact of EMI getting the back-catalogue ready for digital distribution, selling MP3s cheap, CD quality for more, and saving the highest price range for DTS and 24-bit files? Moving those files on line is still perhaps a little ways off for the mass market -- and people much older than me are still wrestling with the disappearance of vinyl! Meanwhile, EMI will putting out physical discs like these with a whole bunch of audio formats ... because they can, and we'll buy 'em ;) :} Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 24 12:25:03 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:25:03 +0100 Subject: Do Not Panic TV show DVD's Message-ID: Those 8 folks who put their names down for these: they're now in the post. In the end my DVD unit could only produce PAL DVD and so those in the US may need to find a proggie to convert them to NTSC (I hear some drives and players can be switched between PAL and NTSC with an engineering hack). No doubt some folks here more au fait with the tech than I can provide the details. Enjoy! FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 25 11:55:54 2007 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:55:54 +0100 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <461B8114.5020202@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:20:36PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > On 06/04/2007 17:58, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > We never argued about whether there *could* be or not! I merely > >maintained that since man has never seen an Archaeopteryx move, no-one > >knows what it would have looked like > > And I will heroically (but yet, pointlessly :) maintain that since no > one has seen an Archaeopteryx move, we couldn't necessarily be sure that > a given movement (perhaps especially in clouds) was not an Archaeopteryx > movement, so I'll give Alan (and Ron) the benefit of the doubt. But what we know of Archaeopteryces (I confess that I may only be writing this post so as to use that plural) implies that they couldn't really fly, only glide. So an Archaeoopteryx being at cloiud height is pretty much impossible. Therefore, whatever the singer is seeing can only be moving *like* an Archaeopteryx, not actually be one. > >so it's a metaphor that conveys > >nothing. > Ah! Perhaps that itself is the message! The cloud of unknowing ..... If the message were that a thing is like something that could be absolutely anything, I have to ask whether that's a message worth an elaborate metaphor :-) I mean, this is like deconstructing Eliot. You say, "that's only there because it sounds sort of cool" and the critics go, "no, no, every word is significant, man!" Only this is not T. S. Eliot, but Ron Tree. Now I ask you, given Ron's penchant for buzzwords, which of these interpretations is more likely? > >It is possible that I had been drinking at that time yer honner. > > And may the goods bless you for it! :) Now I'm just being stubborn, of course :-) Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Apr 25 13:47:12 2007 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:47:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 08:17:32PM -0400, Stephen Swann typed out: > > I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't > > have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". > > I think _Space Ritual_ is one of the few places where you can > really hear what nik contributed to that sound, back then. On the > Castle _Best of_, and presumably elsewhere (it must be from SRII > originally I guess?) there's a variant mix of `Space is Deep', which has > Nik much more obvious in the recording, and the parts he's playing are a > constant and musical, if rather unschooled, contribution, which gels > marvellously with Del's offhand wanderings and is really a fully- > functional *part*. I don't know if on other things, like _1999 Party_, > he was just wandering round too far from the mike, or if Dave mixed him > out, and if the latter whether his playing had got worse and merited it, > but that recording alone shows that Nik did actually *do* something for > early HW. The trouble is that that doesn't excuse the eighties. But then > very little will... Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Led Zeppelin - _Presence_ > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 25 14:06:31 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:06:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <017e01c78761$c233ca60$453d7ad5@andy> Message-ID: "space rock from london" on the genschman label, used to have this. the mix on that version of silver machine is just awesome!!!!!! christian Cyberkrel wrote: One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 08:17:32PM -0400, Stephen Swann typed out: > > I love Nik's mad squawking/honking sax in Space Ritual. Wouln't > > have traded it for 20 dozen people who "play properly". > > I think _Space Ritual_ is one of the few places where you can > really hear what nik contributed to that sound, back then. On the > Castle _Best of_, and presumably elsewhere (it must be from SRII > originally I guess?) there's a variant mix of `Space is Deep', which has > Nik much more obvious in the recording, and the parts he's playing are a > constant and musical, if rather unschooled, contribution, which gels > marvellously with Del's offhand wanderings and is really a fully- > functional *part*. I don't know if on other things, like _1999 Party_, > he was just wandering round too far from the mike, or if Dave mixed him > out, and if the latter whether his playing had got worse and merited it, > but that recording alone shows that Nik did actually *do* something for > early HW. The trouble is that that doesn't excuse the eighties. But then > very little will... Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Led Zeppelin - _Presence_ > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Apr 25 15:05:35 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:05:35 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <462E20E5.7040004@carlaz.com> Message-ID: well Space Ritual is total unlistenable grungy cr*p like all 70s Hawkwind, we don't more stupid 70s stuff remastered - time to say Hawkwind moved on to the 80s and 90s with Ron Tree etc. just like i did....... hairies stuck in the 70s is like a disease.... liken 50 year old men w pony tails is just gay. christian cr*p ritual Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/04/2007 13:46, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > Does it look like > they have not put in the complete version of Brainstorm but not the Time > we left, so we can buy this just one more time in the future??? The alt. > version does not say that is is complete? Yeah, that would be tedious. We really ought to have _Space Ritual_ "as it should be without the limitations of vinyl": _no_ shortened tracks (why would we _not_ want to hear the full version of "Time We Left"!?), flowing continuously, and of course at stupendous quality :) Perhaps this is all just an artifact of EMI getting the back-catalogue ready for digital distribution, selling MP3s cheap, CD quality for more, and saving the highest price range for DTS and 24-bit files? Moving those files on line is still perhaps a little ways off for the mass market -- and people much older than me are still wrestling with the disappearance of vinyl! Meanwhile, EMI will putting out physical discs like these with a whole bunch of audio formats ... because they can, and we'll buy 'em ;) :} Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 26 04:57:15 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:57:15 +0100 Subject: HW: News from the Hawkwind camp! In-Reply-To: <20070425155554.GD21535@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 25/04/2007 16:55, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:20:36PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: >> And I will heroically (but yet, pointlessly :) maintain that since no >> one has seen an Archaeopteryx move, we couldn't necessarily be sure that >> a given movement (perhaps especially in clouds) was not an Archaeopteryx >> movement, so I'll give Alan (and Ron) the benefit of the doubt. > > But what we know of Archaeopteryces (I confess that I may only > be writing this post so as to use that plural) implies that they > couldn't really fly, only glide. So an Archaeoopteryx being at cloiud > height is pretty much impossible. Therefore, whatever the singer is > seeing can only be moving *like* an Archaeopteryx, not actually be one. Ah! But it could have been spontaneously called into existence (possibly by the transubstantiation of a nuclear missile) some miles above the surface of the planet. In such a case, the Archaeopteryx (and any possible companion Archaeopteryces) could easily find itself (or, indeed, themselves) falling through clouds, trying to come to work out how much help gliding was going to be. Perhaps this is how it became extinct .... > If the message were that a thing is like something that could be > absolutely anything, I have to ask whether that's a message worth an > elaborate metaphor :-) Are we asking this of _Hawkwind_? :) > I mean, this is like deconstructing Eliot. You say, "that's only > there because it sounds sort of cool" and the critics go, "no, no, every > word is significant, man!" Only this is not T. S. Eliot, but Ron Tree. > Now I ask you, given Ron's penchant for buzzwords, which of these > interpretations is more likely? What higher calling could there possibly be than putting things there because they sound sort of cool? :) If it wasn't there because it sounded sort of cool, please have it taken away and replacd with something cooler! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 26 05:01:22 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:01:22 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <862046.41061.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 25/04/2007 20:05, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > well Space Ritual is total unlistenable grungy cr*p like all 70s Hawkwind, More crap for me, please! :) I was just listening to "Shouldn't Do That" from the previous remaster this morning, and the intro is still my all-time favorite use of wah pedal :) If I were stuck in the '70s, I'd be like 3 an' a half feet tall and not terribly hairy :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 26 05:03:24 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:03:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <017e01c78761$c233ca60$453d7ad5@andy> Message-ID: On 25/04/2007 18:47, Cyberkrel wrote: > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! Was this the _Space Rock from London_ bootleg, sometime in the early/mid '90s? I have it in mind that there was another BBC bootleggy CD, too -- possibly from a transcription disc for which a copy of which Mike Holmes paid such an awe-inspiring sum, back in the day? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 26 06:01:03 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:01:03 +0000 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <46306A62.10604@carlaz.com> Message-ID: grungy crap??lol..Hawkwind have gone through many "phases"(especially during the 70s) and 3 of my fav albums are all from that period and all very different- -warrior o.t.e.o.t. -quark,strangeness and charm -space ritual The other album i rate very highly is their 1991 Electric Tepee. I guess these are all pretty obvious choices for most hawkwind fans fav albums somewhere in their top 5 or 6, if they appreciate ALL the different "phases" theyve gone through. >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:01:22 +0100 > >On 25/04/2007 20:05, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: >>well Space Ritual is total unlistenable grungy cr*p like all 70s Hawkwind, > >More crap for me, please! :) > >I was just listening to "Shouldn't Do That" from the previous remaster this >morning, and the intro is still my all-time favorite use of wah pedal :) > >If I were stuck in the '70s, I'd be like 3 an' a half feet tall and not >terribly hairy :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >mailto:cea at carlaz.com >http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 26 06:13:31 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:13:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Cyberkrel's message of Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:47:12 +0100 Message-ID: Cyberkrel writes: > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! I'm pretty sure I know who put out the bootleg. The official BBC Windsong version was mono wasn't it? Were there also some differences in cuts/edits of the songs? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 26 06:16:35 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:16:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Was this the _Space Rock from London_ bootleg, sometime in the early/mid > '90s? Yep. > I have it in mind that there was another BBC bootleggy CD, too -- > possibly from a transcription disc for which a copy of which Mike Holmes > paid such an awe-inspiring sum, back in the day? Yes, it's from one of the BBC Transcription Discs, though definitely not my copy, which was in Trev Hughes' posession at the time SRfL was released. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 26 06:25:02 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:25:02 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26/04/2007 11:01, pete howe wrote: > grungy crap??lol..Hawkwind have gone through many "phases"(especially > during the 70s) and 3 of my fav albums are all from that period and all > very different- > -warrior o.t.e.o.t. > -quark,strangeness and charm > -space ritual > The other album i rate very highly is their 1991 Electric Tepee. > I guess these are all pretty obvious choices for most hawkwind fans fav > albums somewhere in their top 5 or 6, if they appreciate ALL the > different "phases" theyve gone through. We've gone through this before -- Christian just has a thing about 70s Hawkwind being grungy crap! :) For my part, yeah, I would rate Space Ritual, Doremi, and HotMG among my essentials; there just aren't tracks I skip on there, not even the weirdy noises and spoken bits. (Strangely, I've never warmed to Warrior as much, and I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's because the strongest stuff is "Assault>Void" and I've always like the "Palace Springs" version better? After that, "Magnu" gets my top nod on there, and that really _is_ a track I don't listen to often enough ....) I think one of main criticism that can be levelled at many later albums is that the "density" of the songs diminishes in favour of numerous vaguely electronicky instrumental linking bits. For example, the _songs_ on ET are fantastic, IMO, but the various instrumental bits don't do much for me (with the possible exception of "Snake Dance", which is kinda cool). I know mileage varies and some fans dig this stuff -- but I just think there are better vendors of floaty electronica than Hawkwind, while there are few better vendors of roaring space-rock thunder (whether that's "Master of the Universe" in 1972 or "LSD" in 1992). I do appreciate all the periods -- CoTBS in the mid-80s had a fairly high density of _songs_ -- and there's good songs from all the periods. But I most appreciate _any_ period when the band is really on form and turning out killer songs. And I do think there's been an increasing tendency for the band's songwriters to get caught up in weirdy sequencing and stuff (perhaps because advances in technology have made it increasingly easy to do?), which is probably great fun, but not necessarily where their strengths as creative artists principally lie .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 26 07:16:19 2007 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:16:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <200704261013.l3QADVKA003279@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: the windsong version doesnt say, but it sounds stereo to me..and is also noteworthy for being the only recording with Stacias voice on it. But there may well be cuts , as Jeff Griffin writes that the 1/4" reels only lasted 30 minutes..lol, and also there was no chance for "remixing". >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:13:31 +0100 > >Cyberkrel writes: > > > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved >to > > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. >There > > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was >even > > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! > >I'm pretty sure I know who put out the bootleg. The official BBC >Windsong version was mono wasn't it? Were there also some differences in >cuts/edits of the songs? > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 26 07:45:44 2007 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:45:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Apr 2007, at 12:16 PM, pete howe wrote: > the windsong version doesnt say, but it sounds stereo to me Listen to it again carefully. If you have an amp that has a "mono" button on it that you can press to toggle between normal and mono, all the better. It definitely sounds mono. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Apr 26 08:16:21 2007 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:16:21 -0500 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <46307DFE.3020600@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition [snip] :I think one of main criticism that can be levelled at many later albums is that :the "density" of the songs diminishes in favour of numerous vaguely :electronicky instrumental linking bits. For example, the _songs_ on ET are :fantastic, IMO, but the various instrumental bits don't do much for me (with :the possible exception of "Snake Dance", which is kinda cool). I know mileage :varies and some fans dig this stuff -- but I just think there are better :vendors of floaty electronica than Hawkwind, while there are few better vendors :of roaring space-rock thunder (whether that's "Master of the Universe" in 1972 :or "LSD" in 1992). [snip] So, ooc, who would you pick as better vendors of floaty electronica? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #428, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Apr 26 11:57:55 2007 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:57:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Yeh - that's the one - it's stereo where the official one is mono even tho the radio broadcast was stereo. Guess that one's tied up in all sorts of red tape as regards a reissue. Shame EMI didn't have it! Oh yeh - if anyone's interested, I've bitten the bullet and am selling what's left of all my original cassette collection, so the psych ones are listed on the Dead Earnest website for anyone who may still be in luddite mode. Toodles, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > On 25/04/2007 18:47, Cyberkrel wrote: > > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to > > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There > > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even > > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! > > Was this the _Space Rock from London_ bootleg, sometime in the early/mid > '90s? I have it in mind that there was another BBC bootleggy CD, too -- > possibly from a transcription disc for which a copy of which Mike Holmes > paid such an awe-inspiring sum, back in the day? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Apr 26 12:01:10 2007 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:01:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Now that I'm not sure of - I've got both but I've not played either for about ten years!! I would have thought there have to be differences. The one I listen to is from a stereo cassette that a long-time Canadian friend sent me about 25 years ago introduced by a guy with a very plummy Radio voice before Mr Dunkley fires up the machine! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > Cyberkrel writes: > > > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to > > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There > > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even > > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! > > I'm pretty sure I know who put out the bootleg. The official BBC > Windsong version was mono wasn't it? Were there also some differences in > cuts/edits of the songs? > > FoFP From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Apr 26 12:03:49 2007 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:03:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: It is - I had it on very good authority that it was but never tested the theory. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > On 26 Apr 2007, at 12:16 PM, pete howe wrote: > > > the windsong version doesnt say, but it sounds stereo to me > > Listen to it again carefully. If you have an amp that has a "mono" > button on it that you can press to toggle between normal and mono, > all the better. It definitely sounds mono. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 26 12:01:24 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:01:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Cyberkrel's message of Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:57:55 +0100 Message-ID: Cyberkrel writes: > Oh yeh - if anyone's interested, I've bitten the bullet and am selling > what's left of all my original cassette collection, so the psych ones are > listed on the Dead Earnest website for anyone who may still be in luddite > mode. What's the link? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 26 12:03:42 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:03:42 +0100 Subject: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] Message-ID: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993 > > The timings on the accompanying BBC sheet are precisely the same as > > those of Space Rock From London, so it looks like the CD was a copy of > > the transcription disk. > > These are listings according to my CD Player, > since both of the CDs have screwed-up listings. > > Windsong BBC SRfL > ___ ___ > Countdown 1 \ 12:15 1___> 1:08 > Born to Go ___/ 2___> 10:28 > The Black Corridor 2 \ 9:35 3 \ 8:58 > Seven by Seven ___/ ___/ > Brainstorm 3___> 10:38 4___> 7:49 > Master of the Universe 4___> 9:52 5___> 9:15 > Paranoia 5___> 9:23 6___> 9:21 > Silver Machine \ 7 \ 6:50 > Welcome to the Future 6 > 7:48 ___/ > Credits (BBC Only) __/ > > totals 59:39 53:55 > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and powerful, > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any part > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to nothing > or lopped right off. In several places, SRfL is missing lyrics that are > evident on BBC. Also, SRfL is missing a sizable chunk of "Brainstorm": > On BBC, the entire 10:38 is really "Brainstorm". On SRfL, after you subtract > the 1:23 at the beginning of the screwed-up track division that is really > "7x7", you're left with about six minutes of "Brainstorm" that cuts in > during the chanting part in the middle. > > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Apr 26 13:28:54 2007 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:28:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: very important!!! SLOTERDIJK gig for 4/28 CANCELLED!!! Message-ID: Due to last minute unforseen circumstances, we regret that we have to cancel our show at Cafe Arabica, in Morristown, this saturday, April 28th..I am sending this note out within moments of gretting the low down.. We are trying to reshedule the gig..Anyone who wants to help make this happen, write a note to: sue at cafearabicanj.com asking to honor our request. Sorry all, SLOTERDIJK From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 26 11:50:47 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:50:47 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i'm with ya on "Electric Tepee", pete - it was de riguer on our LSD trips in art school for us to play "LSD" from that on peak hour...... that and Syd Barrett "Opel" and Skinny Puppy's "Download", Donovan, Sun Dial "Overspill EP" and even Sebadoh like "Vampire" etc...... of course the peaking lasted awhile..... :-) c. "hocus pocus" pete howe wrote: grungy crap??lol..Hawkwind have gone through many "phases"(especially during the 70s) and 3 of my fav albums are all from that period and all very different- -warrior o.t.e.o.t. -quark,strangeness and charm -space ritual The other album i rate very highly is their 1991 Electric Tepee. I guess these are all pretty obvious choices for most hawkwind fans fav albums somewhere in their top 5 or 6, if they appreciate ALL the different "phases" theyve gone through. >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:01:22 +0100 > >On 25/04/2007 20:05, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: >>well Space Ritual is total unlistenable grungy cr*p like all 70s Hawkwind, > >More crap for me, please! :) > >I was just listening to "Shouldn't Do That" from the previous remaster this >morning, and the intro is still my all-time favorite use of wah pedal :) > >If I were stuck in the '70s, I'd be like 3 an' a half feet tall and not >terribly hairy :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >mailto:cea at carlaz.com >http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Apr 26 19:31:09 2007 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:31:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: Oh yeh - www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/privatesales.htm There ya go!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > Cyberkrel writes: > > > > Oh yeh - if anyone's interested, I've bitten the bullet and am selling > > what's left of all my original cassette collection, so the psych ones are > > listed on the Dead Earnest website for anyone who may still be in luddite > > mode. > > What's the link? > > FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Apr 26 20:00:06 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: <017e01c78761$c233ca60$453d7ad5@andy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 06:47:12PM +0100, Cyberkrel wrote: > One bizarre thing from the "Space Ritual" period that remains unresolved to > this day is the official release of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert CD in > stereo - I bet there are some of you who have this off the recent radio > re-broadcasts (I'm not one of them - I'm never in at night to hear the > radio!!) but it's odd that this is another anomaly yet to be sorted. There > was a bootleg CD if I remember rightly that was in stereo only that was even > more bizarre having the most odd mix known to man! > Andy G. You mean "Space Rock from London"? I've occasionally thought of Ebay-ing my copy, since --bizarrely enough-- I prefer the mono "BBC Radio 1" mix... Steve From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Apr 26 20:02:42 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:02:42 -0400 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <862046.41061.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:05:35PM +0100, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > well Space Ritual is total unlistenable grungy cr*p like Christian - don't make me come over there. Steve From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Apr 26 20:08:34 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:08:34 -0400 Subject: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] In-Reply-To: <200704261603.l3QG3gQT003320@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993 > > > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and powerful, > > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any part > > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to nothing > > or lopped right off. Yeah that would probably be why I like the Windsong disc better - it has more oomph. Steve From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 27 06:38:35 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:38:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic documentary In-Reply-To: Cyberkrel's message of Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: Cyberkrel writes: > Oh yeh - www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/privatesales.htm OK, I'll have Visions by Ship of Fools and Tonbridge by Nodens Ictus if nobody beat me to it? Is that 13 quid? Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 27 06:40:07 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:40:07 +0100 Subject: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > > > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993 > > > > > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and powerful, > > > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any part > > > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to nothing > > > or lopped right off. > Yeah that would probably be why I like the Windsong disc better - it > has more oomph. The SRfL bootleg always reminds me of the Kinetic Playground one. The sound treatment seems very similar in that it cleans it up but also does a blanga extraction. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 27 07:21:53 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:21:53 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26/04/2007 13:16, Arin Komins wrote: > So, ooc, who would you pick as better vendors of floaty electronica? A difficult question, partially because a little floaty electronica goes a long way with me ;) My wife has a bunch of New Agey CDs some of which have quite pleasant synthesizer scapes. Some of them -- even apparently completely "generic" ones of the sort you find in any New Ageish bookshop -- have "floaty ambiance" that's as good as anything I've heard anywhere :) But the other part is that I don't think Hawkwind are really trying to do "floaty" electronica, but the not-so-floaty electronica that I think they are trying to do is not the kind of thing I think they're good at. I think current Hawkwind, consciously or unconsciously, tend to emulate ambient techno and acid house type stuff that they hear and like from established artists in those fields (artists who were themselves probably partially inspired by older incarnations of Hawkwind!). I _think) Hawkwind are trying to do stuff along the lines of The Orb, Future Sound of London, Aphex Twin, Astralasia, even The KLF, The Chemical Brothers, or the Prodigy. Obiviously, not as hardcore as the more hardcore of those artists (The Prodigy get pretty hardcore at times), and I could be off-course since I'm not a huge fan of these styles, but I'm aware of them and those artists are successful at what they do. Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes that is the sort of thing that I think fits in well with Hawkwind's classic space-opera vibe. IMO, the first Anubian Lights gets even closer to this sort of thing, sometimes, than contemporary Hawkwind. But, actually, I think Hawkwind were spot on with their electronic and instrumental experimentation in the early 70s. If only because if the limitations on technology at the time, their electronic-oriented music consisted of artificially generated, technological sounds that nevertheless felt very organic -- like a spaceship grown from living cells, or a tree that shoots electric fire. This is something I have always felt was lacking in many contemporary electronic artists -- perhaps by their design, but it doesn't pull me in since I respond more to human error than computerized precision :) Moreover, Hawkwind's weird experimentations were (in the past) always few and short, adding spice to an album without dominating it. And they often formed the background to the spoken word segements or blended quickly into chugging rock instrumentals. Perhaps HotMG best exemplifies this. It's instrumental pieces are either ambient rock like Brock's "Wind of Change" or odd little places like House's "Goat Willow" and the title track. That's it: the rest of the album is pretty solid Hawkwind spacerock songs. Likewise, Doremi -- there's the synthy zippery of Detmar's "One Change", and then the rest is songs (albeit songs with often fairly lengthy, churning instrumental passages). Even on Space Ritual, "Electronic No. 1" takes up a relatively small percentage of album time, and the rest of the electronic proto-primal-ambient texturing takes place under Calvert's spoken word bits; no druming (and certainly no sequencing) under the spoken word bits, just textures. Now look at _ET_, with essentially only 5 songs: LSD, Secret Agent, Mask of Morning, Sadness Runs Deep, and Right to Decide. I like _all_ the songs there very much -- they're great stuff, exactly the sort of thing at which Hawkwind *rules*. But the other *9* tracks on ET are _basically_ instrumental filler, without _very_ much that stands out as music for the ages, IMO. This is an album of a very different kind of structure than HotMG or Doremi, and not one that I think shows off what HW do best. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Apr 26 22:01:20 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:01:20 +0100 Subject: My Hawkwind and BOC related Oslo area radio shows on CDR! Message-ID: I can trade CDRs of these 1 hour shows so just send me 3 blank CDR or 1 recorded CDR of something I want and we can trade! Christian RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD SHOW 1: FRIENDS AND RELATIONS "RAVE ON IN THE 80's AND 90's" SPECIAL 04/05/06 "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers") "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & Relations"/???) "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/???) "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") SHOW 2: MAGICK DARK WAVE AND OLD NEW AGE HAWKSTUFF SPECIAL 10/06/06 "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink Box") "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") SHOW 3: DARK 90's SPACEWAVE, PSY-DOOM AND THUNDERJUDGE SPECIAL 02/09/06 "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The Score!") "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The Score!") "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") SHOW 4: HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE 21/10/06 "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) SHOW 5: WHO TO HAMMILL; BROWN TO MARILLION TO NAZARETH.... 18/11/06 (Sorry NOT AVAILIBLE ON CDR - LOST TRANSMISSION!!!) "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour 2002") "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour 2002") "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") SHOW 6: 23/12/06 SYNTH AND ROCK A GENRE NEVER SEPARATE AND SOFT ROCK SYNTHS: Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 27 08:05:40 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:05:40 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:21:53 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like > Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno > sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old > Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of > cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes I tend to like the more melodic of this stuff - so I like Ricochet and Logos while I find Phaedra really requires being in the mood. Tangerine Dream seemed to go bad after 1989 and I'm not sure if much of their output after that ever reached the standards of Ricochet and Force Majeure. Much of Schulze I do like, though again I find some of it too atmospheric. Software and mergener/Weisser do seem more consistent in their output - some very floaty stuff in there. What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? FoFP From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Apr 27 10:38:56 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:56 -0400 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <200704271205.l3RC5e85024985@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M Holmes : > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK Fri Apr 27 10:56:41 2007 From: Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:56:41 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition Message-ID: >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > >Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :) www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk www.lycopodeia.co.uk Marc. -----Original Message----- From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU] Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition Quoting M Holmes : > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Apr 27 11:02:36 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:02:36 -0400 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <64EA4AC86606ED4D87C8806DDA8A4A6A022DFDC7@194-101-188-9.ipreverse010302.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Also, a good yahoo mailing list to check out for all things electronic music, is beyond_em. Quoting Phillipps Marc : > >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of > >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their > >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > > > >Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. > > I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well > > I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :) > > www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk > > www.lycopodeia.co.uk > > > Marc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU] > Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > > Quoting M Holmes : > > > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of > > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their > > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > > Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light > from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, > I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." > Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield > & Haringey Health Communities. > -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Apr 28 13:23:11 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:23:11 -0400 Subject: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] In-Reply-To: <200704271040.l3RAe7mJ007438@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 11:40:07AM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > > > > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993 > > > > > > > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and powerful, > > > > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any part > > > > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to nothing > > > > or lopped right off. > > > Yeah that would probably be why I like the Windsong disc better - it > > has more oomph. > > The SRfL bootleg always reminds me of the Kinetic Playground one. The > sound treatment seems very similar in that it cleans it up but also does > a blanga extraction. That's weird - a cassette tape you made me ages ago (my recollection may be foggy, as I haven't even had my tapedeck set up for about 5 years now), had a track from Kinetic Playground and I thought I remember loving that track and wishing I had the whole gig. I don't recall it as being absent the blanga factor, though you're obviously in a much better position to comment on this subject than I am... :) Steve From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Apr 28 13:33:47 2007 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:33:47 -0400 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <200704271205.l3RC5e85024985@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 01:05:40PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > > Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like > > Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno > > sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old > > Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of > > cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes > > I tend to like the more melodic of this stuff - so I like Ricochet and > Logos while I find Phaedra really requires being in the mood. Tangerine > Dream seemed to go bad after 1989 and I'm not sure if much of their > output after that ever reached the standards of Ricochet and Force > Majeure. Much of Schulze I do like, though again I find some of it too > atmospheric. Software and mergener/Weisser do seem more consistent in > their output - some very floaty stuff in there. My favorite synth music is the mid 70's spacey stuff like Jean Michelle Jarre's _Oxygene_, _Equinoxe_, Vangelis' _Albedo 0.39_, _Spiral_, Edgar Froese' _Stuntman_, et al. It's considerably less ambient than the typical modern "New Age" music, which doesn't do much for me. I don't even know if there's anyone doing that kind of music these days... Steve From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sat Apr 28 13:44:06 2007 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:44:06 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Apr 2007 to 28 Apr 2007 (#2007-99) Message-ID: Hej Carl, You have to bare in mind that when a band has created so much classic spacerock as Hawkwind have, I think it gets increasingly difficult to come up with something which is both original and classic year after year. Everyone has a finite amount of creativity that they can add. Myself I would be pleased to have written and recorded even one album that was both original and classic, it is actually quite hard. Skal! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOC-L automatic digest system" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Apr 2007 to 28 Apr 2007 (#2007-99) > There are 8 messages totalling 442 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. HW: Do Not Panic documentary > 2. Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] > 3. hw: New Space Ritual edition (5) > 4. My Hawkwind and BOC related Oslo area radio shows on CDR! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:38:35 +0100 > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: HW: Do Not Panic documentary > > Cyberkrel writes: > >> Oh yeh - www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/privatesales.htm > > OK, I'll have Visions by Ship of Fools and Tonbridge by Nodens Ictus if > nobody beat me to it? > > Is that 13 quid? > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:40:07 +0100 > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: Repost: [Ken Alexander: Windsong/SRfL differences.] > > Stephen Swann writes: > >> > > From kalex at edu.umich.eecs Mon Apr 26 12:10:20 1993 >> > > >> > > The main differences are in sound: Windsong is mono and rough and >> > > powerful, >> > > while SRfL sounds clearer but seems heavily remixed. On SRfL, any >> > > part >> > > that was even the slightest bit unclear on BBC was either remixed to >> > > nothing >> > > or lopped right off. > >> Yeah that would probably be why I like the Windsong disc better - it >> has more oomph. > > The SRfL bootleg always reminds me of the Kinetic Playground one. The > sound treatment seems very similar in that it cleans it up but also does > a blanga extraction. > > FoFP > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:21:53 +0100 > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > On 26/04/2007 13:16, Arin Komins wrote: >> So, ooc, who would you pick as better vendors of floaty electronica? > > A difficult question, partially because a little floaty electronica goes > a long way with me ;) My wife has a bunch of New Agey CDs some of which > have quite pleasant synthesizer scapes. Some of them -- even apparently > completely "generic" ones of the sort you find in any New Ageish > bookshop -- have "floaty ambiance" that's as good as anything I've heard > anywhere :) > > But the other part is that I don't think Hawkwind are really trying to > do "floaty" electronica, but the not-so-floaty electronica that I think > they are trying to do is not the kind of thing I think they're good at. > I think current Hawkwind, consciously or unconsciously, tend to > emulate ambient techno and acid house type stuff that they hear and like > from established artists in those fields (artists who were themselves > probably partially inspired by older incarnations of Hawkwind!). I > _think) Hawkwind are trying to do stuff along the lines of The Orb, > Future Sound of London, Aphex Twin, Astralasia, even The KLF, The > Chemical Brothers, or the Prodigy. Obiviously, not as hardcore as the > more hardcore of those artists (The Prodigy get pretty hardcore at > times), and I could be off-course since I'm not a huge fan of these > styles, but I'm aware of them and those artists are successful at what > they do. > > Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like > Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno > sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old > Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of > cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes that is the sort of thing > that I think fits in well with Hawkwind's classic space-opera vibe. > IMO, the first Anubian Lights gets even closer to this sort of thing, > sometimes, than contemporary Hawkwind. > > But, actually, I think Hawkwind were spot on with their electronic and > instrumental experimentation in the early 70s. If only because if the > limitations on technology at the time, their electronic-oriented music > consisted of artificially generated, technological sounds that > nevertheless felt very organic -- like a spaceship grown from living > cells, or a tree that shoots electric fire. This is something I have > always felt was lacking in many contemporary electronic artists -- > perhaps by their design, but it doesn't pull me in since I respond more > to human error than computerized precision :) Moreover, Hawkwind's > weird experimentations were (in the past) always few and short, adding > spice to an album without dominating it. And they often formed the > background to the spoken word segements or blended quickly into chugging > rock instrumentals. > > Perhaps HotMG best exemplifies this. It's instrumental pieces are > either ambient rock like Brock's "Wind of Change" or odd little places > like House's "Goat Willow" and the title track. That's it: the rest of > the album is pretty solid Hawkwind spacerock songs. Likewise, Doremi -- > there's the synthy zippery of Detmar's "One Change", and then the rest > is songs (albeit songs with often fairly lengthy, churning instrumental > passages). Even on Space Ritual, "Electronic No. 1" takes up a > relatively small percentage of album time, and the rest of the > electronic proto-primal-ambient texturing takes place under Calvert's > spoken word bits; no druming (and certainly no sequencing) under the > spoken word bits, just textures. > > Now look at _ET_, with essentially only 5 songs: LSD, Secret Agent, Mask > of Morning, Sadness Runs Deep, and Right to Decide. I like _all_ the > songs there very much -- they're great stuff, exactly the sort of thing > at which Hawkwind *rules*. But the other *9* tracks on ET are > _basically_ instrumental filler, without _very_ much that stands out as > music for the ages, IMO. This is an album of a very different kind of > structure than HotMG or Doremi, and not one that I think shows off what > HW do best. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:01:20 +0100 > From: Amphetamine Embalmer > Subject: My Hawkwind and BOC related Oslo area radio shows on CDR! > > I can trade CDRs of these 1 hour shows so just send me 3 blank CDR or 1 > recorded CDR of something I want and we can trade! > > Christian > > > > RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA > PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD > > SHOW 1: > FRIENDS AND RELATIONS "RAVE ON IN THE 80's AND 90's" SPECIAL > 04/05/06 > > "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Trip To G9") > "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers") > "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic > Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") > "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") > "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") > "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & > Relations"/???) > "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & > Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") > "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") > > > SHOW 2: > MAGICK DARK WAVE AND OLD NEW AGE HAWKSTUFF SPECIAL > 10/06/06 > > "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") > "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink > Box") > "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") > "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") > "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") > "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") > "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube > Conceived") > "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") > > > SHOW 3: > DARK 90's SPACEWAVE, PSY-DOOM AND THUNDERJUDGE SPECIAL > 02/09/06 > > "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") > "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") > "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") > "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") > "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The > Score!") > "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know > The Score!") > "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") > > > SHOW 4: > HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE > 21/10/06 > > "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live > 1982") > "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") > "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") > "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") > "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") > "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) > > > SHOW 5: > WHO TO HAMMILL; BROWN TO MARILLION TO NAZARETH.... > 18/11/06 (Sorry NOT AVAILIBLE ON CDR - LOST TRANSMISSION!!!) > "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Crown of Creation" by Jefferson Airplane (from "Crown of Creation") > "Hard Rain" (live) by Arthur Brown (from "The Legboot Album; On Tour > 2002") > "All The Bells" (live) by Arthur Brown (from The "Legboot Album: On Tour > 2002") > "Childhood's End" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "White Feather" (live) by Fish (from "Return To Childhood") > "(No More) The Sub-Mariner" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Faint-Heart And The Sermon" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "The Comet, The Course, The Tail" by Peter Hammill (from "In Camera") > "Can't Explain" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "I'm A Boy" by The Who (from "Then And Now" compilation) > "My White Bicycle" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > "Morning Dew" by Nazareth (from "Animals") > > > SHOW 6: > 23/12/06 > SYNTH AND ROCK A GENRE NEVER SEPARATE AND SOFT ROCK SYNTHS: > > Black Sabbath - Rusty Angels (Forbidden) > Blue ?yster Cult - Astronomy (Imaginos) > Blue ?yster Cult - The Great Sun Jester (Mirrors) > Interceptor 7 - Alan Davey (Chaos Delight) > Helios Creed - First Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - Next Encounter (Planet X) > Helios Creed - The Ascent (Planet X) > Pre-Med - Man Eggs From Mars (Its Medication Time) > Fish - Fugazi (Return To Childhood (live) > Legendary Pink Dots - Blasto (Faces In The Fire) > Legendary Pink Dots - Love In A Plain Brown Envelope (Faces In The Fire) > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up > for your freeaccount today. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:05:40 +0100 > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > >> Personally, I tend to like more the older "proto-ambient" stuff like >> Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze's solo work, or even Brian Eno >> sometimes (though I'm not as into his stuff as some!). Some of the old >> Krautrock stuff verges on this .... Here, I get a strong feel of >> cinematic drama in the music and soudscapes > > I tend to like the more melodic of this stuff - so I like Ricochet and > Logos while I find Phaedra really requires being in the mood. Tangerine > Dream seemed to go bad after 1989 and I'm not sure if much of their > output after that ever reached the standards of Ricochet and Force > Majeure. Much of Schulze I do like, though again I find some of it too > atmospheric. Software and mergener/Weisser do seem more consistent in > their output - some very floaty stuff in there. > > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > > FoFP > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:56 -0400 > From: David Kuznick > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > Quoting M Holmes : > >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > > Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light > from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, > I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." > Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:56:41 +0100 > From: Phillipps Marc > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > >>> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >>> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >>> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? >> >>Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. > > I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well > > I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :) > > www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk > > www.lycopodeia.co.uk > > > Marc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU] > Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > > Quoting M Holmes : > >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? > > Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light > from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, > I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." > Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and > legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If > you > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information > within > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet > Enfield > & Haringey Health Communities. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:02:36 -0400 > From: David Kuznick > Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition > > Also, a good yahoo mailing list to check out for all things electronic > music, is > beyond_em. > > Quoting Phillipps Marc : > >> >> What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >> >> arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >> >> Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? >> > >> >Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. >> >> I'd throw Eat Static, Prometheus & Younger Brother in there as well >> >> I'd also be mad not to plug my own stuff :) >> >> www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk >> >> www.lycopodeia.co.uk >> >> >> Marc. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Kuznick [mailto:dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU] >> Sent: 27 April 2007 15:39 >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: hw: New Space Ritual edition >> >> >> Quoting M Holmes : >> >> > What I'd really like to hear more of is electronica with the kind of >> > arabesque trance sound that Hawkwind managed in Space is Their >> > Palestine. Anyone know of such stuff? >> >> Shpongle and Hallucinogen? Some of the Ozric's stiff of course. >> >> -- >> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >> "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light >> from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, >> I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." >> Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG >> >> >> This communication may contain information that is confidential and >> legally >> privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If >> you >> are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of >> distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information >> within >> is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >> communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and >> destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any >> liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This >> communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet >> Enfield >> & Haringey Health Communities. >> > > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light > from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, > I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." > Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 27 Apr 2007 to 28 Apr 2007 (#2007-99) > *********************************************************** > From management at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Apr 28 14:50:30 2007 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:50:30 +0100 Subject: Fw: HW:Hawkfest line-up Message-ID: Hi Folks The first lot of bands are now confirmed for Hawkfest......Go and check them out, most of them have MySpace pages where you can hear their music! Here is the list, in no particular order :-) There will be more band confirmations to follow..... Bands confirmed Hawkwind P.A.I.N AOS3 Omnia Opera Tarantism Relentless Kid Ego Bob Kerr's Whoopee Band Ken Colyer's Legacy New Orleans Jazz Band Bruise Rhythm of Blues Skyclad Spacehead Tribe of Cro Grooveweird Mr Pink Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind Gin Goblins Coyote Wrecks (Paddy Stratton) Ruby Red Lips Dooberries Modal Logic Stressbitch Danse of the Dead Hypnotists Nanobots Vasquez Guitar Fever The Lock Up The Rubbish Dumpy's Spacenutz Giant Root Attack Illusion Overtone (Rock school) Sleepy Head (Rock school) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Apr 27 19:59:02 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:59:02 +0100 Subject: Do Not Panic documentary Message-ID: What a great program, at least I enjoyed it alot, especially the bits with Huw and Lemmy and Moorcock. Cool seeing Calvert in the very beginning and they got the important infamous stories from the 70s down (Huws acid trip, Lemmys camera theft/sacking and Calvert chasing after the car !) Thanks Mike! Christian --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 29 08:10:09 2007 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:10:09 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: May 2007 Issue Online NOW!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com THE MAY 2007 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS IS ONLINE NOW!!! NOTE from Jerry: I would like to thank Scott Heller for his hard work as editor on this issue, a task he graciously took on to keep the zine portion of Aural Innovations going while I focus my attention on another project. Scott has been with Aural Innovations since the beginning, and along with Keith Henderson was instrumental in helping to make it the outstanding and long lived publication that it is. The May 2007 issue (#36) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, Progressive Rock and more. See the index of this issue's contents below. The May 2007 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Alan Davey interview Richard Pinhas/Heldon retrospective Tangle Edge interview Roadburn Festival 2007 coverage Live recordings and shows Releases from Transubstans Records Releases from Unicorn Digital Releases from Leafhound Releases from Fuzzorama Records Releases from Bad Afro Records Releases from MALS Records And loads of other reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue36/issue36.html http://Aural-Innovations.com From ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 29 12:02:26 2007 From: ianabrahams1 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:02:26 -0700 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Interview Message-ID: I've interviewed Alan on his current solo projects for Aural Innovations: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue36/alandaveyinterview.htm Ian --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 29 13:52:33 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:52:33 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <20070428173347.GB17823@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On 28 Apr 2007, at 18:33, Stephen Swann wrote: > My favorite synth music is the mid 70's spacey stuff like > Jean Michelle Jarre's _Oxygene_, _Equinoxe_, Vangelis' > _Albedo 0.39_, _Spiral_, Edgar Froese' _Stuntman_, et al. Good points -- I should have mentioned Jarre and Vangelis, as they have some great stuff. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Apr 29 13:57:10 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:57:10 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Apr 2007 to 28 Apr 2007 (#2007-99) In-Reply-To: <001701c789bc$d1a24c80$6600a8c0@PC1> Message-ID: On 28 Apr 2007, at 18:44, Chris Owen wrote: > You have to bare in mind that when a band has created so much > classic spacerock as Hawkwind have, I think it gets increasingly > difficult to come up with something which is both original and > classic year after year. Everyone has a finite amount of creativity > that they can add. > Myself I would be pleased to have written and recorded even one > album that was both original and classic, it is actually quite hard. I won't deny it! :) But, hey, I'm a fan and this is a discussion list for fans, and we if only talk about how wonderful Hawkwind (or BOC) are, then we'll get quite bored, quite quickly! :) To borrow Richard Thompson's lament about the fans on the Richard Thompson discussion list: "They're worse than real critics: they're amateur critics!" ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 29 14:13:40 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:13:40 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <49A476E7-BB34-47B6-B367-3B2785D8D93E@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Ambient and bits of bits of amgience: Ed Alleyne Johnson - Purple Violin Concerto Simon House - Yassassim Legendary Pink Dots - Asylum Krafwerk - Radio Activity Chrstian Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 28 Apr 2007, at 18:33, Stephen Swann wrote: > My favorite synth music is the mid 70's spacey stuff like > Jean Michelle Jarre's _Oxygene_, _Equinoxe_, Vangelis' > _Albedo 0.39_, _Spiral_, Edgar Froese' _Stuntman_, et al. Good points -- I should have mentioned Jarre and Vangelis, as they have some great stuff. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Apr 29 15:57:25 2007 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:57:25 +0100 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <9792.27070.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: not to forget: Summoning - Lost Tales Bionaut - Au Naturel Tim Blake - Crystal Machine Celestial Eye - The Visitor Coil - The Unreleased "The Hellraiser" Themes The Orb - Orblivion Christian Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: Ambient and bits of bits of amgience: Ed Alleyne Johnson - Purple Violin Concerto Simon House - Yassassim Legendary Pink Dots - Asylum Krafwerk - Radio Activity Chrstian Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 28 Apr 2007, at 18:33, Stephen Swann wrote: > My favorite synth music is the mid 70's spacey stuff like > Jean Michelle Jarre's _Oxygene_, _Equinoxe_, Vangelis' > _Albedo 0.39_, _Spiral_, Edgar Froese' _Stuntman_, et al. Good points -- I should have mentioned Jarre and Vangelis, as they have some great stuff. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 29 22:36:23 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:36:23 -0500 Subject: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum Message-ID: but suspect free speech may be restrained (not accusing, it seems to take too long for me anyway) SUBJECT: MY COMING IS NOT SANE NOR SAFE to deliver this letter to Robert: Bob, I had NO CLUE you would be pissed about the ICU group. Had I known I NEVER would have started it....I only got freaked that you were mad. Kevin: were I to x-ray the soul today I am taking on faith I would see the exact fire of god in the eyes consider Brock singing from The Nazca: "I LOVE YOU" (I mean Ron, but i want an out-take with Dave doing these 3 words, as I swear it was his voice when it was conjuring up a storm at the exact delivery...EXACT) this goes to you and Kevin, and the zillion others......I NEVER meant to take ANYTHING from ANYONE, especially the flower of life, Helen Elizabeth Coleman.........my destruction was a hearty combo of ADD+DPD+touchof OCD+SPEED+GREED......for 5 years the world has been pointing me at my grave......also, can you imagine what it's like being ex-communicated from the "Creatures" , having to live in exile (if you call this living) "I am the living death, and I have overcome the world" (the stolen lyrics below represent something heavy, but good, and are a call of "Hurry Up Hurry Up" to HIM UPON THE HORSE, who will not only understand their application, but will know where to go) "YOU DOUBT YOUR STRENGTH OR COURAGE DON'T COME TO JOIN WITH ME FOR DEATH SURELY WAITS YOU WITH SHARP AND POINTY TEETH NO ANIMAL SO VICIOUS NO OTHER'S FOUGHT AND WON SO ON TO FIELDS OF BATTLE WE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES HUMAN BONES BLANKET THE DIRT OF THE HEATHENS LAIR THAT WE MUST PASS THIS DEN OF DEATH THE ONLY PATH FROM HERE BUT I WALK IN THE LIGHT THE TIME TO DIE HAS COME NO ONE SHALL TAKE MY LIFE I'M OF THE CHOSEN ONES BLACK SHADOWS FILL THE SKY AS THE CREATURE'S EYES GROW NEAR RAISE THE SHIELD OF THE HOLY PILGRIM HIGH INTO THE AIR HEAVENS POWERS FILL MY ARMS ONWARD NOW TO FIGHT I'M SENT OH THE BEAST IS COMING TO PUT YOU TO THE TEST LOOKOUT! NOW THIS LAND IS MINE TO PILLAGE RAPE, AND STEAL, AND TAKE AT WILL NEVER LET YOU CROSS THIS PATH I REIGN FOR NOW I STAY TO KILL YOU DOUBT YOUR STRENGTH OR COURAGE DON'T COME TO JOIN WITH ME FOR DEATH SURELY WANTS YOU WITH SHARP AND POINTY TEETH NO ANIMAL SO VICIOUS NO OTHERS FOUGHT AND WON SO ON TO FIELDS OF BATTLE WE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Apr 29 23:28:13 2007 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:28:13 EDT Subject: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2007 10:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: <......I NEVER meant to take ANYTHING from ANYONE, especially the flower of life, Helen Elizabeth Coleman.........my destruction was a hearty combo of ADD+DPD+touchof OCD+SPEED+GREED......for 5 years the world has been pointing me at my grave......also, can you imagine what it's like being ex-communicated from the "Creatures" , having to live in exile (if you call this living)> Mike? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Sun Apr 29 23:53:41 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:53:41 -0500 Subject: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes? (I certainly don't expect anyone to address me as "your imperial holiness"....the Delta-Wave:- satan, god, and man, with 3 hearts...TRUTH, LOVE, PEACE) has crawled up here shaking ......if this is my physical death, it's on Trev,,,,,It's an insult for me to call him Judge, but all else must, regardless of what awful name you put following his title "I LOVE YOU" ALL OF YOU On 4/29/07, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/29/2007 10:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: > > <......I NEVER meant to take ANYTHING from > ANYONE, especially the flower of life, Helen Elizabeth Coleman.........my > destruction was a hearty combo of ADD+DPD+touchof > OCD+SPEED+GREED......for 5 > years the world has been pointing me at my grave......also, can you > imagine > what it's like being ex-communicated from the "Creatures" , having to > live > in exile (if you call this living)> > > Mike? > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 30 06:02:20 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:02:20 +0100 Subject: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > yes? (I certainly don't expect anyone to address me as "your imperial > holiness"....the Delta-Wave:- satan, god, and man, with 3 hearts...TRUTH, > LOVE, PEACE) has crawled up here shaking ......if this is my physical death, > it's on Trev,,,,,It's an insult for me to call him Judge, but all else must, > regardless of what awful name you put following his title > "I LOVE YOU" ALL OF YOU Welcome back Mike! It's great to hear from ya! FoFP From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 06:43:13 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:43:13 -0500 Subject: I sent this to Mike Holme's forum Message-ID: Mike, I *really* *did* find god,,,(nothing to do with books or doctrines) (I am currently puzzling over where to place Dave Brock, and have settled on "creature" for now....the 1st one...they are ALL CREATURES..) interestingly enough, out of the EXTREME possible danger of my showing myself, I think I fear(ed) you most do to your very high intelligence (feared your words, I might actaully get killed by someone, but oh well I guess, I had to come back and AT LEAST apologize) I guess now we will have to see what the GREAT UNKNOWN does that I may SOMEHOW be of service...... Mike I cannot thank you enough, ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, forever (how's Jill??) I did not listen to ANY MUSIC in ALL THESE YEARS (except in friends cars, grocery stores, etc) until just a few months ago.... they wanted to give me shock therapy I didn't take it I looked at just a few posts here in the archives.....A DVD Space-Ritual?? do you have ANY CLUE how bizarre and painful it is for me to see, JUST THAT??? I am currently supplementing my dietary intake with charity food provided by the Jewish people.... I found life just in time to be BEYOND POOR .....(which is JUST FINE.....) ....I had NO HOPE......NONE...(every single day was just to get to go to bed, and then often unrelenting bad dreams affording no release from hell) .until......god-friday (which I didn't know at the time, and had to look up what good-friday was)........ULTRA-NERVOUS breakdown and I only broke to call someone to call me back and assure me I'd be OK, that didn't happen......God came......the heart rate couldv'e dropped a few men......good thing I had prior experience with such ....now I can't sleep out of joy On 4/30/07, M Holmes wrote: > > mike coleman writes: > > > yes? (I certainly don't expect anyone to address me as "your imperial > > holiness"....the Delta-Wave:- satan, god, and man, with 3 > hearts...TRUTH, > > LOVE, PEACE) has crawled up here shaking ......if this is my physical > death, > > it's on Trev,,,,,It's an insult for me to call him Judge, but all else > must, > > regardless of what awful name you put following his title > > "I LOVE YOU" ALL OF YOU > > Welcome back Mike! It's great to hear from ya! > > FoFP > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 30 07:05:54 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:05:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Interview In-Reply-To: <349031.2290.qm@web26907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 29/04/2007 17:02, Ian Abrahams wrote: > I've interviewed Alan on his current solo projects for Aural Innovations: > http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue36/alandaveyinterview.htm Huh, I'd somehow spaced till now on Alan's (and Huw's!) contributions to the Meads of Asphodel (me not being a _huge_ black/death metal fan). I'll have to give it another listen :) Fun to hear about Alan's ideas to revive Gunslinger, swapping WAVs back and forth. I think that's a good technique also for us less-than-professional would-be rock stars; we can kick out the jams without leaving the house (or, more accurately, leaving our day jobs! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 07:59:25 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:59:25 +0100 Subject: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum Message-ID: Lo!.. from the long walk - he returns Yes it is he, Mike, the Avatar who died and came back to tell the world of the other world and when he speaks IT IS His Imperial Holiness, the Delta Wave Satan himself Hosanna Hosanna trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:53 AM Subject: Re: I sent this to Bob Lennon's forum > yes? (I certainly don't expect anyone to address me as "your imperial > holiness"....the Delta-Wave:- satan, god, and man, with 3 hearts...TRUTH, > LOVE, PEACE) has crawled up here shaking ......if this is my physical > death, > it's on Trev,,,,,It's an insult for me to call him Judge, but all else > must, > regardless of what awful name you put following his title > "I LOVE YOU" ALL OF YOU > > > > On 4/29/07, Stewartbas at aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 4/29/2007 10:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> insect.brain at GMAIL.COM writes: >> >> <......I NEVER meant to take ANYTHING from >> ANYONE, especially the flower of life, Helen Elizabeth >> Coleman.........my >> destruction was a hearty combo of ADD+DPD+touchof >> OCD+SPEED+GREED......for 5 >> years the world has been pointing me at my grave......also, can you >> imagine >> what it's like being ex-communicated from the "Creatures" , having to >> live >> in exile (if you call this living)> >> >> Mike? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> > From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 09:36:06 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:36:06 -0500 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part Message-ID: yeah, the satan part is the funest part, and actually the most necessary fucker almost killed me (nervermind destroying my family and sending the parents home from school too early), now I will squeeze his juice and eat the United States political system from "within" (the kitchen, that is) he and I do go WAY WAY back "He is NOT an Australian, he IS an A-L-I-E-N" Trev you are lovely as ever but you have defied me in your space-time co-ordinate nameloc ps-I MANIPULATED REALITY and PUNKADELIC IS COMMING ON CD via CHERRY RED there! I struck back! THE STUNT IS A ( profound) PARADOX doable thanks to the creatures and their prophecy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 30 09:41:19 2007 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:41:19 +0100 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part In-Reply-To: mike coleman's message of Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: mike coleman writes: > yeah, the satan part is the funest part, and actually the most necessary > fucker almost killed me (nervermind destroying my family and sending the > parents home from school too early), now I will squeeze his juice and eat > the United States political system from "within" > (the kitchen, that is) > he and I do go WAY WAY back > "He is NOT an Australian, he IS an A-L-I-E-N" > Trev you are lovely as ever but you have defied me in your space-time > co-ordinate > nameloc > ps-I MANIPULATED REALITY and PUNKADELIC IS COMMING ON CD via CHERRY RED > there! I struck back! > THE STUNT IS A ( profound) PARADOX > doable thanks to the creatures and their prophecy God help us if Mike and Christian ever get into an argument ;-) FoFP From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 09:48:23 2007 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:48:23 +0000 Subject: Greeting from thailand Message-ID: Hope you are all well!!! SEeyou at the fest!!! Jool's pup is still a Hawkwind place.....Soi 4 Sukumvit, Bangkok. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 30 09:58:25 2007 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:58:25 +0100 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part In-Reply-To: <200704301341.l3UDfJhM015911@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 30/04/2007 14:41, M Holmes wrote: > God help us if Mike and Christian ever get into an argument ;-) We'll need a separate sub-list! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Apr 30 10:08:17 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:08:17 -0400 Subject: hw: New Space Ritual edition In-Reply-To: <20070428173347.GB17823@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Quoting Stephen Swann : > > My favorite synth music is the mid 70's spacey stuff like > Jean Michelle Jarre's _Oxygene_, _Equinoxe_, Vangelis' > _Albedo 0.39_, _Spiral_, Edgar Froese' _Stuntman_, et al. All excellent choices. > It's considerably less ambient than the typical modern "New > Age" music, which doesn't do much for me. I don't even know > if there's anyone doing that kind of music these days... Tons, actually. Air Sculpture, Radio Massacre International, Free System Projekt, Paul Nagle, Mark Shreeve, Redshift, Andy Pickford, Arc, Arcane, Binar, Under the Dome, Waveshape, Kubusschnitt, etc. I could go on and on... You too need to join the beyond_em Yahoo group... -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 11:24:46 2007 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:24:46 +0100 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part Message-ID: The new Inner City Unit are booked to play Lost Vagueness at Glastonbury Festival ... ..and Punkadelic is not being released by cherry red. hur hur ...so there... trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part > mike coleman writes: > >> yeah, the satan part is the funest part, and actually the most necessary >> fucker almost killed me (nervermind destroying my family and sending the >> parents home from school too early), now I will squeeze his juice and eat >> the United States political system from "within" >> (the kitchen, that is) >> he and I do go WAY WAY back >> "He is NOT an Australian, he IS an A-L-I-E-N" >> Trev you are lovely as ever but you have defied me in your space-time >> co-ordinate >> nameloc >> ps-I MANIPULATED REALITY and PUNKADELIC IS COMMING ON CD via CHERRY RED >> there! I struck back! >> THE STUNT IS A ( profound) PARADOX >> doable thanks to the creatures and their prophecy > > God help us if Mike and Christian ever get into an argument ;-) > > FoFP > From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Apr 30 11:45:06 2007 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:45:06 -0400 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part In-Reply-To: <200704301341.l3UDfJhM015911@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M Holmes : > God help us if Mike and Christian ever get into an argument ;-) "Is it TECO or is it line noise?" -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From insect.brain at GMAIL.COM Mon Apr 30 13:05:01 2007 From: insect.brain at GMAIL.COM (mike coleman) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:05:01 -0500 Subject: (off?) The Satan Part (on) the Shit From Hell Part In-Reply-To: <200704301341.l3UDfJhM015911@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 4/30/07, M Holmes wrote: > > > God help us if Mike and Christian ever get into an argument ;- > The ones Satan truly holds are highly intelligent........ he'll see that Satan was put before God and (fades to black) re: Punkadelic......yes I've made a terrible error in having miscommunicated "via cherry red" for "cherry red" knowing the vast majority of consumers who "label shop" in this modern era in order to help them make a decision, there is no excusing that.......so if we cross our fingers, maybe it will show up on the stand-alone "Anagram" label and as for someone asking "Teco or Line Noise".....they have frightened mike coleman, the HUMAN..... I think it's line noise caused both by cosmic rays and bird shit and as I depart there is a 2007 "updated" REVOLUTION and REBELLION currently only on offer to card-carrying SATANISTS