From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 1 03:20:33 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:20:33 +0100 Subject: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) In-Reply-To: <045d01c6fd4a$4eae4990$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Thanks Jill for this nice review! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:12 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) It seems odd not preparing to go to a Hawkwind gig tonight 8-( Wasn't sure until the last minute whether I'd get to Morcambe or not (spending a whole day on the phone trying every guest house in the town before getting a room cancellation) but got on a train that wandered along the coastline until it couldn't go any further and stopped just on the edge of the sea. Weather was foul. Westerly gale, grey skies, grey sand, grey sea, waves crashing on the beach. The kite surfers loved it - black wetsuited figures in the far distance hopping across the wavetops swept along by their kites - but most other folk were in hiding. Small clusters of punks were drinking in bus shelters - occasionally one would stagger out shouting abuse but realising how awful the weather was would stagger back in again. The only other activity was a car rally involving some beat-up cars accelerating at insane speeds along the promenade then skidding a figure of eight round a couple of cones with the accompanying smell of burning tyre-rubber and overheated engines. Anyhow - I passed that lot on the way to the Dome which resembles an oversized Mongolian yurt but is surprisingly spacious inside and when the lightshow was chasing circles round the roof it was awesome! I enjoyed it. A good size audience considering the weather and from where I was (towards the back) the sound quality was absolutely perfect. It's possible the band reduced the level a bit because of the acoustics but it meant there was no fuzzy white-noise - you could listen to the layering of sound and hear the different themes come and go. Dave's guitar was really clear while bass and keyboards and drums created a wonderful background and had a very fast beat right from the start. Sometimes Hawkwind gigs begin slowly and build up later but this time it was instant energy and Orgone Acumulator was intensely fast. There were far more breaks between the songs this show but it seemed to work perhaps because there were far fewer drifting fillers. Introductory themes got into gear immediately and even tracks in a different key or a different rhythm that sat awkwardly in the past seemed to come across more powerfully because of the short break between them. It really seemed to keep the mood of the audience high. Paradox is gorgeous and the swirling circles of colour from the lightshow draw you into the music - brilliant stuff. Robot builds steadily to a climax that is all the more intense because the whole track gets slower and more deliberate as it approaches the end - it's an extraordinary effect that really worked - watching a freak-out dancer during this I found myself desperately hoping the track would finish 'cos I feared he would explode if it didn't! I enjoyed the Midsummer Night's Dream bit (I'm informed that the title is "Marine Snow" and that the introductory track to Psychedelic Warlords is "Dogstar"). I'm not sure why that particular passage was chosen but the background of music and lights sweeps you up into it. It reminded me of the Al Stewart song that starts "It seems to me that we have stood upon this stage before" - actually I think that song involves Infinity as well! Infinity the track was wonderful but, I have to agree with Arin, it's a song that should be filled with longing and intense sadness and somehow seemed a bit too upbeat for that. But maybe that was just me. Images was also nicely done - the middle bit had a stunning combination of sound and colour and intensity to produce the feeling of loss and menace (I hate to think of the amount of rehearsing it must take to create exactly the right effects!). Anyhow - enough rambling. Leeds was a fantastic venue 'cos it had tables you could sit at and two bars so you didn't have to queue for hours. Sadly however the acoustics were stuffed with high pitched fuzzy whitenoise which was quite unpleasant at first but I found that after a couple of beers it didn't matter quite so much. Met up with Arin and Rich - great to see you again and have a safe journey back. Also Nick Lee and Marie and Neil and Kris (who caught me taking notes during the show!) and everyone else and a special thanks to Nick's friend who navigated his way across Leeds and drove us safely home afterwards! Really enjoyed the trip and missing it now. jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Nov 1 12:00:19 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:00:19 -0500 Subject: Um, wow! Message-ID: Metallica covered Astronomy? Last.fm recommendation radio has served its purpose for sure! That's a really nice version too! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Saviour of the night came slowly on the silent river, and the lord of life came following, his sins to be forgiven, while the world sat back and laughed away the hours, till the dawning of the daybreak." Dreaming of 4000 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 11:11:59 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:11:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg Message-ID: ...aside from being sound man on some recent Hawkwind releases (on Canterbury Fayre and Yule Ritual) - -is also a current member of The Legendary Pink Dots. Check out "All The Kings Men" and "Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves", two recent ones. Feathers at Dawn, Christian NP: Judas Priest - "Diamonds And Rust" --------------------------------- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 13:17:39 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:17:39 +0000 Subject: off: Dave Wyndorf and astma meds Message-ID: appearantly the mister took an overdose of astma medicine recently. i know of alot of other things that guy could kill himself on!!! toasted on smack it does dave no good. the reissue of Spine of God has some tasty remastered art. ah, nostalgia. Before monster magnet went overboard with bad social commentary. I wonder if dave wyndorf likes Korean food. I lived in NJ not to far away from his town when I went to Kubert 1992-1995. Astma runs in my family but i havent shown signs of it yet.... smokin wheezer buttler, Christian "the real slim shady, the next best thing but not quite..." - Eminem Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 13:37:50 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:37:50 +0000 Subject: Um, wow! In-Reply-To: <20061101120019.5j5e79cwsg04cwg4@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: ...and its on "Garage Inc." - and keep James Hetfield away from my black Sex Gang mohawk! if i say "James Jewel Osterberg" three times really fast it usually helps. Christian NP: Cathedral "Earth Messiah" David Kuznick wrote: Metallica covered Astronomy? Last.fm recommendation radio has served its purpose for sure! That's a really nice version too! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Saviour of the night came slowly on the silent river, and the lord of life came following, his sins to be forgiven, while the world sat back and laughed away the hours, till the dawning of the daybreak." Dreaming of 4000 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 14:11:38 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:11:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: when 'lucky' met 'brandy' and an ice cold 'chiller' Message-ID: I got lucky with new friends since I picked up Pentagram "First Daze Here", an awesome collection of vintage US occultish doom rock from Pennsylvania. The later stuff isn't so good though. Most of their best stuff was in the 70's, really really sweet stuff. Bobby Liebling must be my all time hero next to Dave Brock.... eeerie and spooky. If you like really psychic 'hippie' doomrock like Roky Erickson, Witchcraft, early Sabs etc. check them out!! Abit like Stooges (Metallic 2X0) and Rainbow too (ca. "Man On The Silver Mountain") Christian ObCD: Dictators "Manifest Destiny" Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 15:24:14 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:24:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Morecambe to Leeds (a correction) Message-ID: Glad you liked it! One important correction though: The intro to Orgone Accumulator is called Dogstar - not the intro to Psych Warlords. oops - it all gets a little hazy after even a short while 8-) jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) > Thanks Jill for this nice review! > > Bernhard > > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 1 16:34:21 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:34:21 +0100 Subject: Morecambe to Leeds (a correction) In-Reply-To: <00a901c6fdf3$b2ec2ae0$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Thank you Jill for this info Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Morecambe to Leeds (a correction) Glad you liked it! One important correction though: The intro to Orgone Accumulator is called Dogstar - not the intro to Psych Warlords. oops - it all gets a little hazy after even a short while 8-) jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) > Thanks Jill for this nice review! > > Bernhard > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 16:29:03 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:29:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Arthur Brown on Smith & Jones Message-ID: on an episode from ca. 95-96 of s&j there is a skit at an airport where a cab driver holds a sign up in the arrival terminal with "Arthur Brown" in big letters. a reference like the hawkwind one (two) on The Young Ones? Neil in Chelsea, Other Voices: west ham chelsea juventus Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 15:39:03 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:39:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Morecambe to Leeds (a correction) In-Reply-To: <00a901c6fdf3$b2ec2ae0$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: wasnt dogstar keanu reeves band. top post 1b file transfer protocol no web master just ME262 Jill Strobridge wrote: Glad you liked it! One important correction though: The intro to Orgone Accumulator is called Dogstar - not the intro to Psych Warlords. oops - it all gets a little hazy after even a short while 8-) jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) > Thanks Jill for this nice review! > > Bernhard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 1 19:14:52 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:14:52 -0800 Subject: HW: Tour thoughts from afar... In-Reply-To: <045d01c6fd4a$4eae4990$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Hey Folks... Thanks to all who have done reviewing here of the first shows of the tour. Sadly, I am going to miss the entire thing, including the first Xmas show that will be done without me. So, I am quite encouraged by the continuation of the band to 'dredge' up more and more half-forgotten tracks from the past. "Infinity" and "Images" were certainly worthy of that treatment, and nice too is the return of older classics like MH and Orgone. Makes me especially sad not to hear them live, though I imagine I'll be seeing/hearing them on DVD in fairly short order, given that the passport event is just for this purpose. After the rousing success of last year's vote-for-one-of-four-but-get-all-four-anyway (!) classic-track-resurrection, I must say that I couldn't have asked for such continual revamping of the setlist (well, apart from the obligatory AoA/Palestine bit, which must have been formally put into law by parliament or some such) over the past three-four years! Now maybe I can even start to hope for such peculiarities as "Nuclear Drive" or "Sweet Mistress of Pain." The one odd thing is that the band had just gone and done this new version of USoM, which I have yet to hear since I just haven't crossed paths with the Kids to Space book (but intend to at some point), and it's not even in the set! Perhaps it just didn't transfer to stage or something? As has already been noted, it is something of a puzzle why exactly the long-held tradition of formulating the show as one continual ambient-linked entity has gradually gone by the wayside over the years, in favor of this 'here's a song, here's another' format. But I think that's a small price to pay for the wonderful variety and quality of new and various versions of favorites from (nearly) the whole history of the band. Perhaps it just got to be too much of a bother to 'program,' and since some of the tours have been just six-seven dates, maybe not worth the effort to rehearse. On the bright side, perhaps it's one reason that Carl (?) thinks that the use of rigid MIDI-linked sequencing and the like isn't as entrenched as it was in the late 90s? Certainly, the guitar-playing in recent tours has been a whole order of magnitude more prominent than a decade ago, hopefully because of our constant nagging here. :) One other thing that has made recent tours a real joy for me has also been the multi-media aspect, with various dancers, the great theme-oriented lightshows from the Chaos folks, and even the silly lab coats. In the "old" '89-'95 US tours I "participated" in, we never got anything like that, given the venues and travel limitations. However, unless the reviewers to date have been terribly remiss in making mention of them, it appears there are no dancers this tour. Though perhaps at London/DVD events? I especially liked the pair that were being employed in '04-'05 up to the Lorelei event, as they were always doing new things creatively each and every night. But even the fairy girl and her companion were fun, although less seasoned in the 'fine arts.' Anyway, I hope you all continue to enjoy all the upcoming shows, and please continue with the show reviews, at least as far as anything new or different that happens along the road. Anecdotal remarks about surfers and the like are allowed, of course, as to say otherwise (in my case) would be hypocritical, if any of you are familiar with my writing. And any case, it helps me to take myself mentally out of central Ohio for the next week, which is important because it is impossible to notice anything here other than the election next week and/or the OSU football (the non-round kind) game on Saturday. I checked out the Lastwind page at myspace.com, and thought Paul (Hayles)'s tracks were half-decent and worth a listen. A bit too much 'urban' influence mixed amongst the spacey-electronic stuff, and they were obviously homemade sorts of things with drum machine, as opposed to the live band that appeared at the first show(s). Nice to know what he's up to at least. Hey, does anybody have some sort of updated list/chart of what all the ex-HWders are doing these days? The Starfarer guy(s) or Age (is he still in business on the web?) or anybody? Now I wonder what Keith Hale (sp?) is doing these days? Of course, he was the one (IIRC...plz correct me if I'm wrong) who ran off with Ginger Baker c. 1981 and toured as GB's Hawkwind, so I'm guessing he's persona non-grata in the HW universe these days (& rightly so). (On that note...anybody know who sang & played guitar for that bogus band? There's an interesting trivia question. Bernhard's probably got tapes....maybe he could tell us.) :) (nur ein Witz.) I've been listening to a lot of tunes on the web...finally! I didn't think I'd like being physically attached, by wires/headphones, to a computer terminal, but it's nice to surf/email and listen to cool music at once. And if the connection is good, and the site is up-to-speed (sometimes, and esp. with certain bands, myspace.com can be very spotty...lots of pauses and stops), it's really quite a wonder. Anyway, I have had fun listening to all the recent A-I.com shows Jerry and Kozmik Ken have put up, and found a couple really good ones there. This Puerto Rican band (Astrid Kr?ll, or something) is quite cool, and the very first song of Ken's new show blew me away. I forget their name, but they were English and haven't put out a CD (IIRC), so we'll have to be patient for that anyway. As far as the whole Rock n Roll Hall of Fame discussion that went on... Really folks, you have to be serious for a moment. First, the institution is purely American, so no British "cult" band that has virtually ZERO name recognition on this side of the pond, would ever ever get any serious consideration. Beyond that, let's look at all the perfectly-eligible legendary bands that are STILL NOT in the RnRHoF. Um, we can start with Deep F*cking Purple, go on to BOC and Motorhead and Judas Priest and... So now, the list of this year's final nominees are out, with Van Halen being the most prominent name. The other ones I can't remember at the moment. Last year, the five bands inducted were (for the first time) actually quite reasonable. I think it was Black Sabbath, Blondie, Sex Pistols, and two more that were not-at-all offensive (like the Bee Gees for instance). But really, the institution is such a joke, equal to, if not more offensive than, say, the United States government and the corporate media. BTW, here's my estimates... Name recognition in the US (all adults over the age of 18): Deep Purple: 50.0% BOC: 25.0% Hawkwind: 0.2% Enough said? Ciao z?me...Grakkl ObCD: Rodrigo y Gabriela: S/T (2006) - Hmmm...former heavy metal guitar duo now doing semi-traditional flamenco ac. guitar songs, with the occasional Led Zeppelin and Metallica cover...sounds gimmicky? Yeah, but you need to hear them...quite amazing. AnotherObCD: Dr. Didg (older discs on RykoDisc): either one - also a potential gimmicky thing, with didg-samples/loops used as rhythm tracks for pseudo-trancey world music/danceable rock. But it's damn good stuff too. Nice guitar work. P.S. Nice to see the inevitable return of ChrMum to the list. Must be time for El Ni?o to come back too. P.P.S. Where the hell did Doug Pearson go? This side of the Atlantic has been far too quiet in recent months. I know, I'm partly responsible for that (though I'm not responsible for being on the wrong side of the Atlantic), but I just haven't been seeing too many shows here in Cowtown/Buckeyeland. Ozrics and Comets on Fire, but they were months ago. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 1 20:06:47 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:06:47 -0800 Subject: HW: Tour thoughts from afar In-Reply-To: <045d01c6fd4a$4eae4990$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Another addendum... Oh, I wanted to say that putting "Infinity" into the show reminded me of the very brief moment (1995 tour?) when "Micro Man" appeared in the set in Canada, with Brock singing. As the song is from the same era and rather similar in nature, I can imagine how well it ("Infinity") might be working on this tour. I only have a subpar audience recording of one of the two (?) shows MM was performed that year, which doesn't do it justice, but it was really quite magical with Brock's voice. That's another gem I'd love to see return to the set. And... >I think it was Black Sabbath, Blondie, Sex Pistols, and two more that were not-at-all offensive (like the Bee Gees for instance). Um...what I mean here is that the Bee Gees *were* totally offensive, but these other two weren't. (And I just looked them up...Lynyrd Skynyrd and Miles Davis. So I was right...a pretty good 'five' for the first time ever.) Grakkl P.S. I think the Stooges are another one of this year's HoF bands. And I just saw somewhere that they are doing the reunion thing (why not? Everybody else has.) with Iggy and the Ashetons participating, plus Mike Watt (Minutemen, fIREHOSE) on "Broom." Of course, Watt is, in addition to being a cool guy and a great musician (I loved fIREHOSE and was happy to see them in action here in Col's many moons ago), a big fan of BOC, as they played Red & Black all the time and maybe some other ones. He's also a friend of Al B. natch. --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Nov 2 00:11:00 2006 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:11:00 -0700 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg In-Reply-To: <20061101161159.13004.qmail@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Those are two I haven't heard yet. I've got quite a collection of their stuff, tho. I definitely don't have all of it by any means, so am really interested in more. They seem to be kinda hard to locate here in Boise, Idaho :( I'd be doing some downloading, but only have dial-up at this point :( How are those recent ones? Pam Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > ...aside from being sound man on some recent Hawkwind releases (on Canterbury Fayre and Yule Ritual) - -is also a current member of The Legendary Pink Dots. Check out "All The Kings Men" and "Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves", two recent ones. > > Feathers at Dawn, > Christian > > NP: Judas Priest - "Diamonds And Rust" > > > --------------------------------- > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal > > > From d.c.chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 03:59:18 2006 From: d.c.chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:59:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Morecambe to Leeds (a correction) In-Reply-To: <00a901c6fdf3$b2ec2ae0$6601a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Saw the gig at Wolverhampton. Not the best I've seen them, that was Last year december at Dudley JB's that night they were really really tight a 10/10. Wolverhampton was 8/10. Orgone made the night for me, esp with the break 1/2 way for Dreaming. The other really standout tracks were Infinity, that was fantastic, Motorhead, what can you say :-)) and paradox although Dave's guitar work was a little ragged on the first solo, but he got the sound together for the second solo, I agree with Jill that Images really was superb, it's not my favorite song by a mile but Richards singing really went well and the mid section as Jill pointed out must have been rehearsed to death as it was really chilling. One thing though is I find myself really tiring of Assassins/Tibet, it just seems like I've watched them play that combo at every gig I've been to since '88. The bar was like 50 deep, no chance of getting a few pints in bah Derrick... On 1 Nov 2006, at 824pm, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Glad you liked it! One important correction though: > > The intro to Orgone Accumulator is called Dogstar - not the intro > to Psych Warlords. > > oops - > it all gets a little hazy after even a short while 8-) > jill > ============================================== > Jill Strobridge > ============================================== > ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: Morecambe to Leeds (a bit of a ramble) > > >> Thanks Jill for this nice review! >> >> Bernhard >> >> From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 07:25:10 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:25:10 -0500 Subject: off: Dave Wyndorf and astma meds Message-ID: >>> superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK 11/1/2006 1:17 PM >>> appearantly the mister took an overdose of astma medicine recently. i know of alot of other things that guy could kill himself on!!! toasted on smack it does dave no good. Whatever he OD'd on, it must have been heavy. Not a word from Monster Magnet camp since, esp. strange in that they were supposedly deep into working on the next disc... the reissue of Spine of God has some tasty remastered art. ah, nostalgia. Before monster magnet went overboard with bad social commentary. Now the bad social commentary doesn't bother me at all. It's presented, IMHO, as pretty tongue in cheek, and sort of a reverse Rush Limbaugh kind of way. Clearly, it's just Dave venting and generally mocking the contemporary social scene. Nothing wrong with that. How's the SoG reissue, sound-wise? Haven't got it yet, but looking forward to it.... I wonder if dave wyndorf likes Korean food. I lived in NJ not to far away from his town when I went to Kubert 1992-1995. Astma runs in my family but i havent shown signs of it yet.... Well, you still seem to have plenty of wind! How ya been, bro? Glad to have you posting here again... theo From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Nov 2 09:35:24 2006 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:35:24 -0500 Subject: off: Dave Wyndorf and astma meds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 07:25:10AM -0500, Ted Jackson wrote: > > Now the bad social commentary doesn't bother me > at all. It's presented, IMHO, as pretty tongue in > cheek, and sort of a reverse Rush Limbaugh kind > of way. Clearly, it's just Dave venting and generally > mocking the contemporary social scene. Nothing > wrong with that. How's the SoG reissue, sound-wise? > Haven't got it yet, but looking forward to it.... It's the best release of Spine of God on any format. I've previously had both the Glitterhouse LP and the original CD release, and this new CD kicks both of them into next week. Fan-fucking-tastic. Steve From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 08:57:31 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:57:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg In-Reply-To: <45497DE4.7040106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: you can order the complete LPD back catalog at Coldmeat.se - very reliable people very cool .................... christian Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: Those are two I haven't heard yet. I've got quite a collection of their stuff, tho. I definitely don't have all of it by any means, so am really interested in more. They seem to be kinda hard to locate here in Boise, Idaho :( I'd be doing some downloading, but only have dial-up at this point :( How are those recent ones? Pam Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > ...aside from being sound man on some recent Hawkwind releases (on Canterbury Fayre and Yule Ritual) - -is also a current member of The Legendary Pink Dots. Check out "All The Kings Men" and "Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves", two recent ones. > > Feathers at Dawn, > Christian > > NP: Judas Priest - "Diamonds And Rust" > > > --------------------------------- > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 08:48:06 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:48:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg In-Reply-To: <45497DE4.7040106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: All The Kings Men (2002) has some really good techno type stuff and Your Children (2006) is more guitar bass drums type stuff. but avoid "The Whispering Wall" (2004) - its not so good. Raymond Steeg is generally credited with "sound wizardry" Christian Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: Those are two I haven't heard yet. I've got quite a collection of their stuff, tho. I definitely don't have all of it by any means, so am really interested in more. They seem to be kinda hard to locate here in Boise, Idaho :( I'd be doing some downloading, but only have dial-up at this point :( How are those recent ones? Pam Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > ...aside from being sound man on some recent Hawkwind releases (on Canterbury Fayre and Yule Ritual) - -is also a current member of The Legendary Pink Dots. Check out "All The Kings Men" and "Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves", two recent ones. > > Feathers at Dawn, > Christian > > NP: Judas Priest - "Diamonds And Rust" > > > --------------------------------- > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal > > > --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 2 16:24:38 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:24:38 -0800 Subject: HW: Tour thoughts from afar...RnRHoF In-Reply-To: <20061102001452.61754.qmail@web33215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: (I) Keith Henderson wrote: >Beyond that, let's look at all the perfectly-eligible legendary bands that are STILL NOT in the RnRHoF. Um, we can start with Deep F*cking Purple, go on to BOC and Motorhead and Judas Priest and... Oh, and of course, the RnRHoF will never be even remotely legit until the worthiest of all rock bands is inducted. I mean Spinal Tap, of course. Grakkl --------------------------------- Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 14:10:02 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:10:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: TSOL anyone? Message-ID: Hello BOC-L, I am looking for these albums/CDs by US band True Sounds Of Liberty (aka TSOL) "Strangelove" "Hit And Run" "Change Today?" "Revenge" Can anyone help. I have a trade list of stuff I can burn or trade with. Vinyl is fine if they are hard to find on CD. Tried mp3 com but the tracks are either missing or too slow to download and I want the originals. thanks Christian np: Joykiller Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 17:39:52 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour thoughts from afar...RnRHoF Message-ID: What about them, they are more Sex Pistols? The Clash? The Exploited? What about them, they are more "rock'n'roll" than any HM band.... Jimmy Hendricks ----- Original Message ---- From: Keith Henderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 2 November, 2006 10:24:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour thoughts from afar...RnRHoF (I) Keith Henderson wrote: >Beyond that, let's look at all the perfectly-eligible legendary bands that are STILL NOT in the RnRHoF. Um, we can start with Deep F*cking Purple, go on to BOC and Motorhead and Judas Priest and... Oh, and of course, the RnRHoF will never be even remotely legit until the worthiest of all rock bands is inducted. I mean Spinal Tap, of course. Grakkl --------------------------------- Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 21:36:26 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 02:36:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: TSOL anyone? Message-ID: Chr. NP: Nevermind, I found a supplier and everything I need :)) Chr. NP: TSOL - Disappear ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 2 November, 2006 8:10:02 PM Subject: OFF: TSOL anyone? Hello BOC-L, I am looking for these albums/CDs by US band True Sounds Of Liberty (aka TSOL) "Strangelove" "Hit And Run" "Change Today?" "Revenge" Can anyone help. I have a trade list of stuff I can burn or trade with. Vinyl is fine if they are hard to find on CD. Tried mp3 com but the tracks are either missing or too slow to download and I want the originals. thanks Christian np: Joykiller Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Nov 2 23:52:57 2006 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:52:57 -0700 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg In-Reply-To: <20061102134806.60515.qmail@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the recommendations. I appreciate it. I've just been way too broke to get any new tunes lately, not like I need any....:) I've a huge music collection that I can only listen to half of right now, being that my cd changer in my car detests cd-r's. Always need more music, tho..:) Pam Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > All The Kings Men (2002) has some really good techno type stuff and Your Children (2006) is more guitar bass drums type stuff. > > but avoid "The Whispering Wall" (2004) - its not so good. > > Raymond Steeg is generally credited with "sound wizardry" > > Christian > > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: Those are two I haven't heard yet. I've got quite a collection of their > stuff, tho. I definitely don't have all of it by any means, so am really > interested in more. They seem to be kinda hard to locate here in Boise, > Idaho :( I'd be doing some downloading, but only have dial-up at this > point :( How are those recent ones? > Pam > > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 3 09:02:34 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:02:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! In-Reply-To: <20061101120019.5j5e79cwsg04cwg4@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 12:00:19PM -0500, David Kuznick typed out: > Metallica covered Astronomy? Last.fm recommendation radio has served its > purpose for sure! > > That's a really nice version too! That album's the only Metallica I've listened to an enjoyed, and demonstrates an alarmingly good taste in music on their parts. Shame none of their songs interest me as much. I especially also recommend their version of `So What' by, I think, The Misfits. This resulted in Bouchard Dunaway Smith, the one time I saw them, announcing `Astronomy' as `a song that Metallica just covered', and I'm still not sure whether that was a good thing or not. It was a good gig though :-) Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 02:16:43 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:16:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Good Morning Viet Nam!!!! Message-ID: You are the Crown of Creation Jefferson Airplane - "Crown Of Creation" You are the Crown of Creation You are the Crown of Creation and you've got no place to go. Soon you'll attain the stability you strive for in the only way that it's granted in a place among the fossils of our time. In loyalty to their kind they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind we cannot tolerate their obstruction. Life is Change How it differs from the rocks I've seen their ways too often for my liking New worlds to gain My life is to survive and be alive for you. ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 03:18:37 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:18:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Raymond Steeg Message-ID: Not so much techno as electronica with off time beats much like Nils Petter Molvaers live performances.... "The Brightest Star" and "Sabres At Dawn" are about 10 minutes each.... "lie there on the table, we can rebuild you... now be a man..." (then off to space :) -All The Kings Men The elk-hound ----- Original Message ---- From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 5:52:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: Raymond Steeg Thanks for the recommendations. I appreciate it. I've just been way too broke to get any new tunes lately, not like I need any....:) I've a huge music collection that I can only listen to half of right now, being that my cd changer in my car detests cd-r's. Always need more music, tho..:) Pam Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > All The Kings Men (2002) has some really good techno type stuff and Your Children (2006) is more guitar bass drums type stuff. > > but avoid "The Whispering Wall" (2004) - its not so good. > > Raymond Steeg is generally credited with "sound wizardry" > > Christian > > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: Those are two I haven't heard yet. I've got quite a collection of their > stuff, tho. I definitely don't have all of it by any means, so am really > interested in more. They seem to be kinda hard to locate here in Boise, > Idaho :( I'd be doing some downloading, but only have dial-up at this > point :( How are those recent ones? > Pam > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 09:19:23 2006 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:19:23 EST Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: "So What" was the Anti Nowhere League, the Misfits were responsible for "Die,Die My Darling" and "Last Caress/Green Hell". Also - caught the Derby gig on the 31st -outstanding with a great choice of set, as son as we drop "Out Here We Are" it'll be even better. Who talked Dave into including Motorhead ? Great idea, Alan enjoyed himself ; it was almost as good as Brainstorm with Dumpy as a set closer. Hope the set list choice continues to be as good for the Astoria. Hutch From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 09:36:48 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:36:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: "I am an animal, why am I so ugly why Anti Nowhere League are great... "I am an animal, why am I so ugly why am I so lonely, I am a sexual pervert... I am your next door neighbor!!!" ANL ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Hutchby To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 3:19:23 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! "So What" was the Anti Nowhere League, the Misfits were responsible for "Die,Die My Darling" and "Last Caress/Green Hell". Also - caught the Derby gig on the 31st -outstanding with a great choice of set, as son as we drop "Out Here We Are" it'll be even better. Who talked Dave into including Motorhead ? Great idea, Alan enjoyed himself ; it was almost as good as Brainstorm with Dumpy as a set closer. Hope the set list choice continues to be as good for the Astoria. Hutch Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 3 11:04:17 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:04:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dr Didg (was: Tour thoughts from afar...) In-Reply-To: <20061102001452.61754.qmail@web33215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:14:52PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > AnotherObCD: Dr. Didg (older discs on RykoDisc): either one - also a > potential gimmicky thing, with didg-samples/loops used as rhythm > tracks for pseudo-trancey world music/danceable rock. But it's damn > good stuff too. Nice guitar work. I saw them once, a long time ago (nearly ten years), and can agree that actually they were pretty good. Far tighter than you'd expect a didgeridoo-based band to be. An offshoot of Magic Mushroom Band I believe? > P.S. Nice to see the inevitable return of ChrMum to the list. Must > be time for El Ni?o to come back too. I think my position here has to be "I love to talk, if there's anything to talk about"... > P.P.S. Where the hell did Doug Pearson go? This side of the > Atlantic has been far too quiet in recent months. I know, I'm > partly responsible for that (though I'm not responsible for being on > the wrong side of the Atlantic), but I just haven't been seeing too > many shows here in Cowtown/Buckeyeland. Ozrics and Comets on Fire, > but they were months ago. If anyone *does* know where Doug Pearson is, I'd appreciate hearing from him, actually. These days are good days for gigs in London and nearby; Litmus on Sunday, Motorhead and Clutch in Cambridge on 16th, and, I have just discovered, Acid Mothers Temple and the Melting Paraiso UFO on the 19th in London. It is, as I once saw on a banner at an Ozrics gig, "all good mate". Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Nov 4 03:02:09 2006 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 08:02:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Morecambe 28 October 2006 photos Message-ID: Hi folks I took pictures at this gig. They and previous pics are at http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm or go direct to http://www.tangledwoof.co.uk and follow the link. Cheers -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 03/11/2006 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Nov 4 10:51:22 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:51:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 Message-ID: Hi Yesterday (03.11.2006) Hawkwind played Haarlem, Patronaat (Netherlands) No doubt that I had to be there. Drove with Chris, Andreas and his wive to Haarlem. Arrived at 17:00h and had plenty of time for a small sightseeing in this wonderfull town. Doors opened at 20:00h. We entered the venue and went straight to the merchendise stall. One new t-shirt and some other familiar stuff was available. Hawkwind started at 21:35 and played 95 minutes Here is the track listing (same as in UK) intro / right stuff / psychedelic warlords / dogstar / orgone accumulator / only dreaming / orgone accumulator / paradox / robot / out here we are / greenback massacre / marine snow / lord of light / images / infinity / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / spirit of the age / motorhead RIGHT STUFF A good version. Not very special. Interesting middle-part PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS Played like in 2004 DOGSTAR Instrumental intro to OA ORGONE ACCUMULATER Very fast and powerfull version. Dave sung it in a new style. Very good! OG had in the middle part an instrumental version of "only dreaming" PARADOX Perfect performed. With 2 guitar solos ROBOT One of the highlights of the evening. Dave started singing without guitar. In the 2nd part the song became very heavy with a great guitarsolo and later some superb guitar riffs. Unfortunately Dave did not use his violine-bow on his guitar like he did during the UK tour. Richard performed the 2nd part on lead vocals. EXCELLENT !! OUT HERE WE ARE The well known instrumantal. Nothing new here. I hope they will drop this song very soon GREENBACK MASSACRE I do not like this song, Therefore no comment here. Performed in the typical Bedouin way MARINE SNOW Poem performed by Dave. Nice instrumental in background. Good song to cool down LORD OF LIGHT One of my all time favorites. Performed like in 2005. Very good !! IMAGES Wow! What a powerfull song. Richard is singing. A perfect replacement for Brainstorm. It really worked well. Very heavy guitar INFINITY This was the absolute highlight of the evening!! Wonderfull vocals by Dave and a wonderfull guitar. Superb electronic effects in the background. A perfect performed song. Thank you Hawkwind !! HASSAN / SPACE IS THEIR / HASSAN Started and ended with the familiar riffs. Nothing special here. But "space is their" was very long and very interesting. Lots of stereo effects. I wish Hawkwind would drop "Hassan" and play only "space is their" End of main set SPIRIT OF THE AGE What can I say? Perfect as ever !!! MOTORHEAD Very heavy, very fast. Alan on vocals. A good song to finish a gig A great gig was over. Superb light show and great dancers in exceptional colourful costumes. The band on top form. Very relaxed and in friendly mood. Time to drive home.... cheers Bernhard From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Sat Nov 4 21:04:18 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 21:04:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: Cliff Burton original metallica bassist was a huge fan of boc, you can even see him wearing a boc t shirt in some tablature book of metallica songs, i think it was for master of puppets. adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! "I am an animal, why am I so ugly why Anti Nowhere League are great... "I am an animal, why am I so ugly why am I so lonely, I am a sexual pervert... I am your next door neighbor!!!" ANL ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Hutchby To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 3:19:23 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! "So What" was the Anti Nowhere League, the Misfits were responsible for "Die,Die My Darling" and "Last Caress/Green Hell". Also - caught the Derby gig on the 31st -outstanding with a great choice of set, as son as we drop "Out Here We Are" it'll be even better. Who talked Dave into including Motorhead ? Great idea, Alan enjoyed himself ; it was almost as good as Brainstorm with Dumpy as a set closer. Hope the set list choice continues to be as good for the Astoria. Hutch Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 5 07:55:30 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock Radio Show + New Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com NOVEMBER 5, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOW + MAIL ORDER GOODIES I've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #163). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this week is the new CD from Seid, an excellent Prog-Psych-Space band from Norway; the new album from Peruvian heavy psych monsters La Ira de Dios (CD & 2-LP editions); the latest from Vibravoid, which is a collection of demos and live tracks (LP only); the latest in the Alien Planetscapes reissue series, this time a radio appearance from 1983; and Weird Biscuit Teatime, a quartet that features Daevid Allen, Don Falcone, and members of Melting Euphoria and University of Errors. I've also restocked Spaceseed's "The Empire of Night" CD, and the Atomic Workers LP, which features Gary Ramon of Sundial. For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #163) Seid - "Flight Towards The Sun" (from Creatures of the Underworld) La Ira de Dios - "Nave F?nix" (from Archaeopterix) Sonar - "Deltroid" (from Sonar EP 2006) Weird Biscuit Teatime - "" (from DJDDAY) Akahum - "Eat Alien" (from Akahum) Dream Robot - "Convergence" (from forthcoming album, Air Boy) Vibravoid - "Playing with Beuys (Demo)" (from Triptamine) Black Sun Ensemble - "The Shining One" (from Bolt of Apollo) Paul Didge - "Funk" (from The Albino Aborigine) Soulitude - "Ballad of the Black" (from Myspace.com site) The Strange Flowers - "Masters of War" (from Baby Scream vs. The Strange Flowers) Johnson Noise - "Space Gift" (from A Kaleidoscope of Sounds compilation) http://Aural-Innovations.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 4 13:29:44 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:29:44 +0000 Subject: HW: DrDidg Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:14:52PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > AnotherObCD: Dr. Didg (older discs on RykoDisc): either one - also a > potential gimmicky thing, with didg-samples/loops used as rhythm > tracks for pseudo-trancey world music/danceable rock. But it's damn > good stuff too. Nice guitar work. I saw them once, a long time ago (nearly ten years), and can agree that actually they were pretty good. Far tighter than you'd expect a didgeridoo-based band to be. An offshoot of Magic Mushroom Band I believe? I bought a 4 disc box set of 3rd Eye bands at 49,- NOK - some good stuff including MMB.... Astralasia etc. > P.S. Nice to see the inevitable return of ChrMum to the list. Must > be time for El Ni?o to come back too. I think my position here has to be "I love to talk, if there's anything to talk about"... What about bootlegging Dave Brocks brain and selling it on CD.... > P.P.S. Where the hell did Doug Pearson go? This side of the > Atlantic has been far too quiet in recent months. I know, I'm > partly responsible for that (though I'm not responsible for being on > the wrong side of the Atlantic), but I just haven't been seeing too > many shows here in Cowtown/Buckeyeland. Ozrics and Comets on Fire, > but they were months ago. If anyone *does* know where Doug Pearson is, I'd appreciate hearing from him, actually. I need Doug to burn me a new set of CDs of the CAPTAIN JESUS & THE SUNRAY DREAM LPs, they are really good stuff..... Christian NP: Hawkwind - "Take Me To Your Leader" Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 4 14:25:24 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:25:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: Is there a Dumpys Rusty Nuts discography anywhere. Plus I need to get Dumpy vinyl or on CD.... I wish I was Dumpy!! Thaiboy666 ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Hutchby To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 3 November, 2006 3:19:23 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! "So What" was the Anti Nowhere League, the Misfits were responsible for "Die,Die My Darling" and "Last Caress/Green Hell". Also - caught the Derby gig on the 31st -outstanding with a great choice of set, as son as we drop "Out Here We Are" it'll be even better. Who talked Dave into including Motorhead ? Great idea, Alan enjoyed himself ; it was almost as good as Brainstorm with Dumpy as a set closer. Hope the set list choice continues to be as good for the Astoria. Hutch ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail ? Tired of Vi at gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Sun Nov 5 15:08:17 2006 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:08:17 EST Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: If you want Dumpy stuff, contact him direct through the Rusty Nuts website. All the old stuff is available on CD including the newer SpaceNutz set that he does. Hutch From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 06:20:26 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:20:26 GMT Subject: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > HASSAN / SPACE IS THEIR / HASSAN > > Started and ended with the familiar riffs. Nothing special here. > > But "space is their" was very long and very interesting. > > Lots of stereo effects. > > I wish Hawkwind would drop "Hassan" and play only "space is their" I'd really like to see them try "Palestine" in the middle of Sword of the East. I suspect it would work very well. FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 15:30:01 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:30:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: i also need the Friday Rock Show Sessions CD by Hawkwi ahhh, thanks... i also need the Friday Rock Show Sessions CD by Hawkwind which is their best live disc of the 80's at least the versions of Magnu and Assault & Battery, plus it has Lemmy and Dumpy on two tracks... i presume it is rustynuts.com ???? :-) Cumbersome Christian at Camebridge If you want Dumpy stuff, contact him direct through the Rusty Nuts website. All the old stuff is available on CD including the newer SpaceNutz set that he does. Hutch ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 16:06:57 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:06:57 +0000 Subject: Rollercoaster Holiday Message-ID: So what is this double Michael Moorcock CD? Just ordered two copies!! Christian NP: Arthur Brown "Kingdom Come" Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 16:34:38 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:34:38 +0000 Subject: rollercoaster holiday Message-ID: I bought 'New World's Fair' when it came review from Amazon.com: I bought 'New World's Fair' when it came out on LP many years ago and tracked it down when it finally emerged on CD. I have always loved Moorcock's style of writing, whether with the Deep Fix, Hawkwind or the other groups that he has worked with. What 'Rollercoaster Holiday' is, is a chance to see how Moorcock and the Deep Fix put together 'New World's Fair', with a selection of early version, rough mixes and even some solo versions with just Moorcock and an acoustic guitar. High points for me were the alternate versions of Song For Marlene (surely the greatest song ever written about Shanghai Lil) and You're A Hero. Like the title says, if you're a fan then this is a must have, and if you're not, you might want to take a journey into themind of the man who gave us Elric, Jerry Cornelius and all those other amazing characters. --- Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 07:37:52 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:37:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Xenon Codex has to be my favorite Hawkwind album, and it was the second album by the band I got when it came out right after buying my first Hawkwind CD in 1988 (Chronicle of The Black Sword) SHARP033 ... Stuff like Neon Skyline and Sword of The East are just awesome still... Guy Bidmead is in fact producing Uli Roth of The Scorpions these days... a fan, Christian NP: Carpathian Forest - We Are Going To Hell For This Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 07:55:19 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:55:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 Message-ID: Christian NP: G'n'R - "Swe yes as long as you don't BOOTLEG it ;) Christian NP: G'n'R - "Sweet Child of Mine" ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2006 12:20:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 bernhard.pospiech writes: > HASSAN / SPACE IS THEIR / HASSAN > > Started and ended with the familiar riffs. Nothing special here. > > But "space is their" was very long and very interesting. > > Lots of stereo effects. > > I wish Hawkwind would drop "Hassan" and play only "space is their" I'd really like to see them try "Palestine" in the middle of Sword of the East. I suspect it would work very well. FoFP Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon Nov 6 11:18:39 2006 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:18:39 +0000 Subject: Rollercoaster Holiday In-Reply-To: <20061105210657.89663.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Double CD? Mines a single? Where have you seen this offered? Is it a reissue with bonus tracks? Steve On 11/5/06, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > > So what is this double Michael Moorcock CD? Just ordered two copies!! > > Christian > > NP: Arthur Brown "Kingdom Come" > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Nov 6 13:07:43 2006 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:07:43 -0500 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Curiously, Chronicle of the Black Sword was also my first taste of Hawkwind. Although the opening track struck me as a bit more metal than the band really is, I couldn't stop listening to that record and I had to explore further... And now hundreds of CDs, albums, singles, posters, programs, shirts, and concerts later, I'm still just as interested! I think that Xenon Codex is one of the most underrated albums in their vast catalog. After listening to it for the first time I remember being in awe, thinking, how can Hawkwind of all bands go on making great albums when they are supposedly well past their "expiration date." I thought it a remarkably solid album, especially for a band who had been at it as long as they had at the time. Hawkwind always manage to somehow coax some additional energy from the fuel rods for another journey.... John Majka Xenon Codex has to be my favorite Hawkwind album, and it was the second album by the band I got when it came out right after buying my first Hawkwind CD in 1988 (Chronicle of The Black Sword) SHARP033 ... Stuff like Neon Skyline and Sword of The East are just awesome still... Guy Bidmead is in fact producing Uli Roth of The Scorpions these days... a fan, Christian NP: Carpathian Forest - We Are Going To Hell For This Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Nov 6 14:54:02 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:54:02 -0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! In-Reply-To: <000701c7007e$b6e92340$0100a8c0@savje> Message-ID: The man had taste! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Adam Savje Sent: 05 November 2006 02:04 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Cliff Burton original metallica bassist was a huge fan of boc, you can even see him wearing a boc t shirt in some tablature book of metallica songs, i think it was for master of puppets. adam From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 15:02:15 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:02:15 EST Subject: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 Message-ID: Yes it would. Good call. Steve. In a message dated 11/06/2006 11:21:17 GMT Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: I'd really like to see them try "Palestine" in the middle of Sword of the East. I suspect it would work very well. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:29:22 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:29:22 +0000 Subject: Rollercoaster Holiday Message-ID: Christian np: Dumpys "Hawkwind!" mp3 ----- Origi Alibris.com Christian np: Dumpys "Hawkwind!" mp3 ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Freight To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2006 5:18:39 PM Subject: Re: Rollercoaster Holiday Double CD? Mines a single? Where have you seen this offered? Is it a reissue with bonus tracks? Steve On 11/5/06, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > > So what is this double Michael Moorcock CD? Just ordered two copies!! > > Christian > > NP: Arthur Brown "Kingdom Come" > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 13:37:30 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:37:30 +0000 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Yes! Excactly 100% METAL. Back when Hawkwind were some of the roughest chaos rockers I became a fan when they also were so contemporary too. Like Guns N Roses or TSOL Hawkwind were HEAVY in the 80's:) I was in awe because I had never heard heavy metal like that with synthesizers and such lush mythology built around it. Made me a fan forever. I think Ron Tree was one of the strangest and coolest things to happen to Hawkwind. I miss Ron! Stuff like Alchemy and Reptoid Vision... ah, it was glorious... Christian np: Tiamat ----- Original Message ---- From: John Majka To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2006 7:07:43 PM Subject: Re: Xenon Codex Curiously, Chronicle of the Black Sword was also my first taste of Hawkwind. Although the opening track struck me as a bit more metal than the band really is, I couldn't stop listening to that record and I had to explore further... And now hundreds of CDs, albums, singles, posters, programs, shirts, and concerts later, I'm still just as interested! I think that Xenon Codex is one of the most underrated albums in their vast catalog. After listening to it for the first time I remember being in awe, thinking, how can Hawkwind of all bands go on making great albums when they are supposedly well past their "expiration date." I thought it a remarkably solid album, especially for a band who had been at it as long as they had at the time. Hawkwind always manage to somehow coax some additional energy from the fuel rods for another journey.... John Majka Xenon Codex has to be my favorite Hawkwind album, and it was the second album by the band I got when it came out right after buying my first Hawkwind CD in 1988 (Chronicle of The Black Sword) SHARP033 ... Stuff like Neon Skyline and Sword of The East are just awesome still... Guy Bidmead is in fact producing Uli Roth of The Scorpions these days... a fan, Christian NP: Carpathian Forest - We Are Going To Hell For This Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 05:22:17 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:22:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Polo shirts merchandise Message-ID: Help please - Memory fade! Can anyone tell me how much the polo shirts on sale during the recent tour cost? I bought one but have absolutely no recollection of how much I paid! thanks jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 7 06:16:06 2006 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:16:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Polo shirts merchandise Message-ID: ?15 Nick > ----Original Message---- > From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK > Date: Nov 7, 2006 10:22:17 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subj: HW: Polo shirts merchandise > > Help please - Memory fade! Can anyone tell me how much the polo shirts on > sale during the recent tour cost? I bought one but have absolutely no > recollection of how much I paid! > > thanks > jill > ============================================== > Jill Strobridge > ============================================== From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 07:45:52 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:45:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Polo shirts merchandise Message-ID: Ah - from the man himself. Thank you! cheers jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: HW: Polo shirts merchandise ?15 Nick > ----Original Message---- > From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK > Date: Nov 7, 2006 10:22:17 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subj: HW: Polo shirts merchandise > > Help please - Memory fade! Can anyone tell me how much the polo shirts on > sale during the recent tour cost? I bought one but have absolutely no > recollection of how much I paid! > > thanks > jill > ============================================== > Jill Strobridge > ============================================== From Gerald.Whitworth at GLONAVGPS.COM Tue Nov 7 08:51:35 2006 From: Gerald.Whitworth at GLONAVGPS.COM (Gerald Whitworth) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:51:35 -0000 Subject: Polo shirts merchandise In-Reply-To: A<001b01c70256$9a04fe50$6401a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: I bought a doremi one at the Northampton show for ?15 Gerry -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: 07 November 2006 10:22 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Polo shirts merchandise Help please - Memory fade! Can anyone tell me how much the polo shirts on sale during the recent tour cost? I bought one but have absolutely no recollection of how much I paid! thanks jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Nov 7 09:52:51 2006 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 06:52:51 -0800 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <20061106183730.38263.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I liked early TSOL when they were in "Suburbia" but after that they tried to be some biker/metal band and it just seemed like second rate Crue or GNR. Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: Yes! Excactly 100% METAL. Back when Hawkwind were some of the roughest chaos rockers I became a fan when they also were so contemporary too. Like Guns N Roses or TSOL Hawkwind were HEAVY in the 80's:) I was in awe because I had never heard heavy metal like that with synthesizers and such lush mythology built around it. Made me a fan forever. I think Ron Tree was one of the strangest and coolest things to happen to Hawkwind. I miss Ron! Stuff like Alchemy and Reptoid Vision... ah, it was glorious... Christian np: Tiamat ----- Original Message ---- From: John Majka To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2006 7:07:43 PM Subject: Re: Xenon Codex Curiously, Chronicle of the Black Sword was also my first taste of Hawkwind. Although the opening track struck me as a bit more metal than the band really is, I couldn't stop listening to that record and I had to explore further... And now hundreds of CDs, albums, singles, posters, programs, shirts, and concerts later, I'm still just as interested! I think that Xenon Codex is one of the most underrated albums in their vast catalog. After listening to it for the first time I remember being in awe, thinking, how can Hawkwind of all bands go on making great albums when they are supposedly well past their "expiration date." I thought it a remarkably solid album, especially for a band who had been at it as long as they had at the time. Hawkwind always manage to somehow coax some additional energy from the fuel rods for another journey.... John Majka Xenon Codex has to be my favorite Hawkwind album, and it was the second album by the band I got when it came out right after buying my first Hawkwind CD in 1988 (Chronicle of The Black Sword) SHARP033 ... Stuff like Neon Skyline and Sword of The East are just awesome still... Guy Bidmead is in fact producing Uli Roth of The Scorpions these days... a fan, Christian NP: Carpathian Forest - We Are Going To Hell For This Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Tue Nov 7 11:01:10 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:01:10 +0800 Subject: Rollercoaster Holiday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a few other rare tracks by Michael Moorcock doing the rounds, would be great if Voiceprint could get them all released together as an official release: Michael Moorcock & The Deep Fix badly recorded tape from a Sci-Fi gig in USA 83 (taken from such). CONCERTS & REHEARSALS 1. Dodgem Dude 2. Starcruiser 3. Brothel In Rossenstrasse 4. Running Through The Backbrain 5. Coded Languages 6. Good Girl Bad Girl 7. At The Time Centre 8. John Dee's Song (1st rehearsal take for Gloriana) 9. The Entropy Tango (Entropy Tango) 10. Harlequin's Birthplace 1st rehearsal take from Gloriana) 11. Quire's Song (1st rehearsal take from Gloriana) 12. Ingleborough (1st rehearsal take from Gloriana) 13. Gloriana (1st rehearsal take from Gloriana) 14. Montfalcon (1st rehearsal take from Gloriana) 15. Lost In The Megaflow (Entropy Tango) 16. Lastly It's The Bellyflops (66 demo) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 10:30:27 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:30:27 +0000 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: I have everything by the punk Grisham/Morgon/Delauge/Greggors (same dude!) TSOL and am looking forward to the Joe Wood led band, "Change Today?" and "Strange Love" for instance, ordered from a very cool guy at Surf City in California... tell Robb Christian sent you if you order any stuff there!!! I first heard "Dance With Me" in 1992 when I was living in NJ and thought "wow! this is what the USA sound like when they are punks" - i thought the closest thing to punk in USA at the time was G'n'R, FNM, Mudhoney, Soundgarden, Nirvana.... I was only familiar with Sex Pistols/Clash/Damned etc. - the "classic" UK punk.. Though I was a HUGE Dead Kennedys fan, sister band of TSOL (same producer Thom Wilson)... and THE HAWKS. And every American "kid" liked RUSH or GRATEFUL DEAD in the 90's ;) Christian NP: Metal Anarchy Radio Special ----- Original Message ---- From: gary shindler To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 7 November, 2006 3:52:51 PM Subject: Re: Xenon Codex I liked early TSOL when they were in "Suburbia" but after that they tried to be some biker/metal band and it just seemed like second rate Crue or GNR. Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: Yes! Excactly 100% METAL. Back when Hawkwind were some of the roughest chaos rockers I became a fan when they also were so contemporary too. Like Guns N Roses or TSOL Hawkwind were HEAVY in the 80's:) I was in awe because I had never heard heavy metal like that with synthesizers and such lush mythology built around it. Made me a fan forever. I think Ron Tree was one of the strangest and coolest things to happen to Hawkwind. I miss Ron! Stuff like Alchemy and Reptoid Vision... ah, it was glorious... Christian np: Tiamat ----- Original Message ---- From: John Majka To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2006 7:07:43 PM Subject: Re: Xenon Codex Curiously, Chronicle of the Black Sword was also my first taste of Hawkwind. Although the opening track struck me as a bit more metal than the band really is, I couldn't stop listening to that record and I had to explore further... And now hundreds of CDs, albums, singles, posters, programs, shirts, and concerts later, I'm still just as interested! I think that Xenon Codex is one of the most underrated albums in their vast catalog. After listening to it for the first time I remember being in awe, thinking, how can Hawkwind of all bands go on making great albums when they are supposedly well past their "expiration date." I thought it a remarkably solid album, especially for a band who had been at it as long as they had at the time. Hawkwind always manage to somehow coax some additional energy from the fuel rods for another journey.... John Majka Xenon Codex has to be my favorite Hawkwind album, and it was the second album by the band I got when it came out right after buying my first Hawkwind CD in 1988 (Chronicle of The Black Sword) SHARP033 ... Stuff like Neon Skyline and Sword of The East are just awesome still... Guy Bidmead is in fact producing Uli Roth of The Scorpions these days... a fan, Christian NP: Carpathian Forest - We Are Going To Hell For This Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 11:58:33 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:58:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Progmania on EBAY Message-ID: Bob Calvert's corpse & gravestone is attacked by vicious RABID PROGGER$ on EBAY!! Start bidding!!! Also looking for MAGMA AND PETER HAMMILL the oldestuf and a smokers strange Prograssy drreeeam i'm okay! NOT paranoid *gulp* HOW VEWY ENGLISCHE OF YOU NP: Jefferson Airplane "White Rabbit" MP3 ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 15:09:03 2006 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:09:03 EST Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: _www.dumpysrustynuts.net_ (http://www.dumpysrustynuts.net) funnily enough From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 7 16:20:21 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:20:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <20061106183730.38263.qmail@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 06:37:30PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > Yes! Excactly 100% METAL. Back when Hawkwind were some of the roughest > chaos rockers I became a fan when they also were so contemporary too. > Like Guns N Roses or TSOL Hawkwind were HEAVY in the 80's:) I was in > awe because I had never heard heavy metal like that with synthesizers > and such lush mythology built around it. Made me a fan forever. I > think Ron Tree was one of the strangest and coolest things to happen > to Hawkwind. I miss Ron! Stuff like Alchemy and Reptoid Vision... ah, > it was glorious... Ron's era was glorious while it was new and then it all went to hell rather. I miss the Ron that had an entire Brixton Academy craning to hear the poem he was reciting, propped up on one elbow at the very front of the stage in 1996; but I don't miss the Ron that did the dull Calvert impressions and the long anti-heroin rants by 2000. There's some sign of the old Ron on Mother of All Band's _Insect Brain_, but I can't imagine him ever having both the inspiration (wherever he was getting it) and the stage to deliver it that _Love in Space_ era Hawkwind gave him again. Pity it contained the seeds of its own undoing... I don't know how you get round that but at least he can look back and know he was briefly absolutely as much he could be. Yours, Jon ObCassette: Hawkwind - _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 15:32:37 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:32:37 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Um, wow! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: Mar yes been there seen that :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Hutchby To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 7 November, 2006 9:09:03 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Um, wow! _www.dumpysrustynuts.net_ (http://www.dumpysrustynuts.net) funnily enough Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 7 17:56:33 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:56:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Litmus gigs In-Reply-To: <20061014193937.82406.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 08:39:37PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > Litmus are pleased to announce the following gigs in November: > > November 5th: Jamm, Brixton http://www.brixtonjamm.org > This will be a full length set; support TBA. I went to this. So I thought I'd post a review. I got there twenty minutes after doors and was the only punter inside for another half-hour, or so it seemed. The venue is bisected, and the bar staff seemed to want to work only other half of the bar until more than their two mates on the other side had turned up. Even at peak the crowd wasn't huge--forty people, who started going well before the close of play due presumably to tubes. With firework night and the Gong Family Unconvention on at the same time it was perhaps not the best night to choose but those of us there got our money's worth all right. Support was in fact Huw Lloyd Langton, playing an acoustic set. There are very few people who can play an acoustic set and do anything more than leave me politely blase, but Huw is one, and he was back on form, which was good to see as the last couple of times Ive seen him he's not seemed at all well. This time, although complaining goodnaturedly almost throughout--the stool wasn't in the right place, his hands were tired, it was cold, and so on--he played the sort of set I've seen him do before where you can't see how the notes come off the instrument with the movements he makes and he takes some space between folk and Spanish guitar and weaves intricacy with it. Set-list, which involved a reasonable number of moments where I was sure that that noise should really need two guitars, was as follows: Wars Are The Hobby There Wind of Change Rocky Paths Hurry on Sundown A very short set, admittedly, though it seemed longer because of his stopping a couple of times to carp and start again, but for the last number he challenged Litmus to come on stage and play along--"it's an idea I've just had" and Martin joined in rapidly on bass, sitting in the half-light at the back of the stage like a proper accompanist, Marek and Simon following on drums and guitar soon after, and well, I can't say as I've seen a better `Hurry on Sundown' ever to be honest. It'll never be my favourite song but that was a good one. Litmus, despite Huw's grand plan, didn't play straight on as he left the stage, but also left it themselves and returned fully-manned shortly afterwards, starting with a shorter electronic intro than usual and rapidly letting loose with `Infinity Drive'. I had been uncharitably assuming that they'd be out of practice, but actually this was completely unfair; throughout the set, although they lost their combined way in jams a couple of times, recovery was instant, and the actual songs were in several cases better worked-out than I've ever seen them. The band *were* a bit ragged, but even in that state putting on a better show than I'd reluctantly come to be used to in recent months (those few recent months when they've been gigging, anyway). No: the recording seems to have done them good. Now they know it all much better than they did and are better able to mess around with it. Consequently, `Infinity Drive' had a free break in it which went quite well, including a fun bit where guitar and keys (clearly audible for once!) started going round in six while everyone else was moving in eights. Anyway. That done with, there followed a short and brutal `Tempest', and that was more realised than I've ever seen them do: finally I think I understand how this song is supposed to work. It made up for the lack of `Destroy the Mothership', which they didn't do and which I missed. Then they did a new song, at least new to me, though Martin explained that it's on the album so presumably not that new to them. It was called `Lost Stations', and I have to confess that the words `prog symphony attack!' and `power ballad' did feature in my notes here. It could be an old-style DarXtar song, let us say. I liked it anyway, but I question its credibility outside American stadiums :-) All such qualms driven swiftly away by what followed, a monster extended version of `Under the Sign'. Is there any other kind? But longer and freer breaks than usual. Guitar and bass kept calming down and Marek got very agitated trying to liven them up, but they went some interesting places meanwhile, and the ending was as huge and triumphant as ever. Angie, Space Ritual's dancer, had arrived with Commander Jim Hawkman in tow, and her dancing to this was a thing to behold. It's nice to know that she's happy to dance for free too :-) The next one I am sure that I have been told the title of, but I can't remember it. A slow piece with fragile moments in it, quite unlike the Litmus so far recorded except perhaps `You Are Here', but if this was the second time I've seen it, which I think it is, I do really like it. This and the `power ballad' help to show that Litmus are going so far beyond being a blanga clone band with this upcoming album. (They didn't do `Far Beyond' either dammit. I suppose something has to give.) However, I was feeling slightly upset about the stomach at this point, nothing to do with the performance I stress, and by the time I returned from the bathrooms they were playing `Dreams of Space'. This turned into something of a monster version, but less by planning than accident. Marek was doing his trying-to-shake-the-stringsmen-out-of- soft-pedal-jamming bit again during the break, and managed to lose his glasses. Had you been listening with your eyes shut, however, it might have sounded only as if the band dropped down to just bass and guitar and incidental noise repeating a mantric riff without percussion for a few minutes; it might even have sounded deliberate, they carried it off perfectly well. Marek didn't succeed in his quest and finished the song at half-strength, but it was still pretty damn good, and all returned to normal soon after. Actually I say normal, but it wasn't. Martin said, as close as I can remember, "People often tell us they know who we nicked all our riffs from, and they're probably right. But they don't think about the people who those people stole *their* riffs from" and then they started something that I knew I recognised, but it still took me several seconds to realise with delight that it was `Astronomy Domine', and what a version. If Syd's estate had included his songs he couldn't have bequeathed this one to worthier successors, it was amazing, full of force and strangeness, and when Martin later told me that they'd done it at Eastern Haze for the first time and had people with their mouths hanging open I could believe him. It was like their version of `Dynamite' only more so, a completely unexpected injection of power into a song you thought you'd heard the ultimate version of already. The main set was probably scheduled to finish there, because Huw was supposed to be joining them on stage, but he'd apparently gone to get chips and wasn't back yet, so they pulled another one out of the bag, `Earthbound', which sounds new and different even though it's actually old and different. They ought to revive this one more (and `Evil' dammit) and do something with it that gets it out there. Andy said to me afterwards that he'd like to put all the stuff they've left behind onto an EP by itself just to get it out there, and while I doubt they'd make any money on it, I'd still love a copy, and this song is one of the reasons why. Huw was finally found, and they set up for what it became clear was going to be `Motorway City'. That was good, and was followed with `Moonglum'. That actually fell to bits several times but Andy's steady going over of the big chord sequence on the keys gave them all something to come back to and it's always good to see it, though in truth this must be about the shakiest version that I ever did see. Last track of the set was `Needle Gun', after a tuning-up duel by Simon and Huw which didn't quite mean that it went well. I had fun, don't get me wrong, and I didn't mind the Hawkwind numbers replacing the Litmus ones we might otherwise have had, but I'm sure they didn't have to be this ragged, even if Huw was back on form and playing like 2001 again. He wasn't necessarily doing it along with everyone else, and unlike their own material they haven't spent months in Wales perfecting these songs I guess. Anyway, they all left the stage after that except for Marek, who instead joined in the percussion calling for an encore, but was better armed than the rest of us for it, and had drifted into some abstracted dance breaks pattern (which it's nice to see someone doing on a real kit) by the time the band stopped pretending and came back on. Encore was `Right Stuff', and it was great, but there are no bad versions of this song (except Monster Magnet's, maybe). Excellent way to end an excellent gig. I want that album dammit. February seems a way away still. I hope for more chances to see the stuff performed live before then, yours, Jon ObCD: Ramones - _Hey! Ho! Let's Go! Anthology_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Nov 7 19:00:46 2006 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:00:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus gigs Message-ID: I'm pleased to hear that Huw is doing better, and I constantly entertain the hope that he will rejoin HW or at least guest more regularly, as the Hawks are somewhat lacking in a lead instrument much of the time, and I always thought Huw's playing was brilliant. John Majka > Support was in fact Huw Lloyd Langton, playing an acoustic set. > There are very few people who can play an acoustic set and do anything > more than leave me politely blase, but Huw is one, and he was back on > form, which was good to see as the last couple of times Ive seen him > he's not seemed at all well. This time, although complaining > goodnaturedly almost throughout--the stool wasn't in the right place, > his hands were tired, it was cold, and so on--he played the sort of set > I've seen him do before where you can't see how the notes come off the > instrument with the movements he makes and he takes some space between > folk and Spanish guitar and weaves intricacy with it. .uk From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 18:19:29 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:19:29 EST Subject: London Astoria... Message-ID: Hello all. Any ideas on what hotel to book for the Astoria show on the 20th Dec? Steve. From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Nov 9 12:45:22 2006 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:45:22 -0500 Subject: HW Magna event... Message-ID: Oh how I wish I could make it to the DVD filming at the Magna, but it's hard to schedule days off at work so relatively late in the year on relatively short notice, not to mention the plane tickets from the USA to the UK. Nevertheless, I hope everyone has a great time... and if I can actually arrange everything, I'll be there as well. John Majka From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Fri Nov 10 14:50:35 2006 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:50:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Passport Message-ID: I see there's a DVD coming out of last year's Solstice gig, but it's only available to Passport holders. I've never mailed in an application, due to lack of round tuit. Guess I should do so now. Only one detail: I need to send a self-addressed envelope. How big is a self-addressed envelope? Can't make this year's, I'm afraid... -- Roy G. Ovrebo From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 10 15:05:59 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:05:59 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Passport Message-ID: I sent an A5 envelope but it only really needs to be half of that size - about 16cm by 11 cm should do it. Of course, this should also allow you to get to the Rotherham gig........................... Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy G. Ovrebo" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: HW: Hawkwind Passport > I see there's a DVD coming out of last year's Solstice gig, but it's > only available to Passport holders. I've never mailed in an application, > due to lack of round tuit. Guess I should do so now. > > Only one detail: I need to send a self-addressed envelope. How big is > a self-addressed envelope? > > Can't make this year's, I'm afraid... > -- > Roy G. Ovrebo > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 09/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 09/11/2006 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 08:04:07 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:04:07 GMT Subject: A real live air guitar! Message-ID: I want one! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6143118.stm FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 13 11:06:54 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:06:54 +0000 Subject: HW: new Hawkwind site on myspace Message-ID: ...or at least its *my* new Hawkw http://www.myspace.com/mumfordsen ...or at least its *my* new Hawkwind site on *my* space... should link up with other Hawkwind networkers and old friends, hopefully... :-) excelsior! Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Nov 13 13:36:13 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:36:13 -0000 Subject: A real live air guitar! Message-ID: And me................. BTW, going to the Rotherham gig? Looks good, Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: A real live air guitar! > I want one! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6143118.stm > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 14 06:44:46 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:44:46 GMT Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: Neil Toyne's message of Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:36:13 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Toyne writes: > And me................. > > BTW, going to the Rotherham gig? Looks good, Yup, I'll e there, with nephews... Cheers Mike From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 14 15:52:47 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:52:47 -0000 Subject: A real live air guitar! Message-ID: Excellent - complete with Deli beast (or not yet)? Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: A real live air guitar! > Neil Toyne writes: > > > And me................. > > > > BTW, going to the Rotherham gig? Looks good, > > Yup, I'll e there, with nephews... > > Cheers > > Mike > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.4/532 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Nov 14 19:08:26 2006 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:08:26 -0600 Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: <002401c7082e$d71fece0$6401a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: I don't get it. How can a sensor in the elbow of a shirt determine which notes the fretting hand is playing? And do they make a left handed version? John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 15 08:42:26 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:42:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee Message-ID: Dear All, just received this news from one long-absent subscriber of another one... Yours, Jon ----- Forwarded message from Andy Gilham ----- From: Andy Gilham Subject: Jon Browne Wondered what had happened to him - anyway he's doing a sponsored bike ride up the Mekong for diabetes. Thought you guys might be interested (and pass it on to boc-l). http://www.justgiving.com/jonathanbrowne -- Andy ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 10:20:10 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:20:10 GMT Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: Neil Toyne's message of Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:52:47 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Toyne writes: > > Yup, I'll e there, with nephews... > Excellent - complete with Deli beast (or not yet)? You've lost me there I'm afraid. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 10:21:17 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:21:17 GMT Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: John McIntyre's message of Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:08:26 -0600 Message-ID: John McIntyre writes: > I don't get it. How can a sensor in the elbow of a shirt determine > which notes the fretting hand is playing? Maybe it plays from the heart? > And do they make a left handed version? You have to wear the shirt inside-out. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 10:41:20 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:41:20 GMT Subject: Real Live Air Guitar Message-ID: Here's the Scooby: http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps29y,,.html I tell ya: we're in the twentyfirstfuckingcentury! FoFP From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 10:55:10 2006 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:55:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee In-Reply-To: <20061115134226.GC26815@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Which reminds me, I was in Renne Le Chateau at a big-nosed punkrock drummer's birthday party in July, and a guy commented on my Hawkwind tattoo... turned out to be Mr. Browne. After a few minutes of talking we worked out who each other was, having been in regular contact through this list years ago. Had a fine Hawkwind conversation, and glad to report he's doing well, though I don't recall any talk of Mekong cycling! Actually, since he owns a comic shop, it's not MEKON cycling is it? Like cycling wearing a big green head? Sorry, just had to... At 13:42 15/11/2006 +0000, you wrote: > Dear All, > just received this news from one long-absent >subscriber of another one... Yours, > Jon > >----- Forwarded message from Andy Gilham ----- >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Jon Browne > >Wondered what had happened to him - anyway he's doing a sponsored bike ride >up the Mekong for diabetes. Thought you guys might be interested (and pass >it on to boc-l). > >http://www.justgiving.com/jonathanbrowne > >-- Andy > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >-- >"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 12:02:21 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:02:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:55:10 +0000 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > Which reminds me, I was in Renne Le Chateau Isn't that where The Holy Grail is buried? FoFP From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 13:12:07 2006 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:12:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee In-Reply-To: <200611151702.kAFH2L0b003727@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, it *was*. Damn, said too much there ;-) At 17:02 15/11/2006 +0000, you wrote: >gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > > > Which reminds me, I was in Renne Le Chateau > >Isn't that where The Holy Grail is buried? > >FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 10:55:45 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:55:45 +0000 Subject: Real Live Air Guitar Message-ID: just wait till the twentysecond then we just eh *play with ourselves* - there will be no bands and no air (and NO guitars!!) Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 15 November, 2006 4:41:20 PM Subject: Real Live Air Guitar Here's the Scooby: http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps29y,,.html I tell ya: we're in the twentyfirstfuckingcentury! FoFP Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 11:10:10 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:10:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee Message-ID: Just hope he gets none of that uh brown sugar cube on his way to Mekon JOn sent me a bunch of A1 comics years ago, he is a saint :) Like saint jon said... I wear a bucket on me head! in praise, christian ----- Original Message ---- From: "gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 15 November, 2006 4:55:10 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Jon Browne cycles from Saigon to Angkor for charidee Which reminds me, I was in Renne Le Chateau at a big-nosed punkrock drummer's birthday party in July, and a guy commented on my Hawkwind tattoo... turned out to be Mr. Browne. After a few minutes of talking we worked out who each other was, having been in regular contact through this list years ago. Had a fine Hawkwind conversation, and glad to report he's doing well, though I don't recall any talk of Mekong cycling! Actually, since he owns a comic shop, it's not MEKON cycling is it? Like cycling wearing a big green head? Sorry, just had to... At 13:42 15/11/2006 +0000, you wrote: > Dear All, > just received this news from one long-absent >subscriber of another one... Yours, > Jon > >----- Forwarded message from Andy Gilham ----- >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Jon Browne > >Wondered what had happened to him - anyway he's doing a sponsored bike ride >up the Mekong for diabetes. Thought you guys might be interested (and pass >it on to boc-l). > >http://www.justgiving.com/jonathanbrowne > >-- Andy > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >-- >"When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Nov 15 15:39:04 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:39:04 -0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: To: spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, spacerock at yahoogroups.com, hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, njdrmr at yahoo.com, AFTERDARK_ST37 at YAHOO.COM, Harry.Attrill at emap.com, jawdiok at comcast.net, bardofely at ntlworld.com, darkrisin at verizon.net, ir004728 at mindspring.com, sloterdijk at email.msn.com, CallHomeNow at aol.com, capcloud at hawklord.com, CONRAIDER2 at aol.com, dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk, magiccatradio at yahoo.co.uk, greg.elwell at gmail.com, superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk, byron4d at msn.com, hawkwind at nifty.com, geraldwhitworth at hotmail.com, headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk, paulhirsh at onetel.net.uk, kevsmithsplace at btopenworld.com, BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, lupeo at comcast.net, margaret at tait1959.fsnet.co.uk, nancymca at capital.net, mgandalfm at aol.com, MOOGYKING at aol.com, mramberg at ncb.com, nexus at panix.com, LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, rancity at comcast.net, mikereedinusa at yahoo.com, rbose at talk21.com, f.renier at kennisnet.org, Richard2001uk at hotmail.com, Spiralgalaxy1988 at aol.com, stellamarz at msn.com, ss7713 at msn.com, ss7713 at comcast.net, stuart.tipples at ntlworld.com, js3619 at acmenet.net, voorhees at ntlworld.com, warrendavis180 at msn.com, bbarnett at jhsph.edu, scott at wfmu.org Bcc: Subject: New SLOTERDIJK cut: 'Time Delay' on Soundclick Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:38:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 20:39:04.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[16F7BCE0:01C708F6] Greetings friends, it's been awhile since we offered any new Sloterdijk material, but here it is: 'Time Delay' : A new spacerock cut at http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk Also we will soon be offering a full length live CD from 2005 recorded in Philadelphia. For now please check out the newstudio cut....Cheers! Mike Burro ( Sloterdijk ) From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Nov 15 16:27:23 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:27:23 -0000 Subject: A real live air guitar! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: A real live air guitar! > Neil Toyne writes: > > > > Yup, I'll e there, with nephews... > > > Excellent - complete with Deli beast (or not yet)? > > You've lost me there I'm afraid. > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Nov 15 16:39:36 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:39:36 -0000 Subject: A real live air guitar! Message-ID: That'd be a no then - I meant have you got yourself a Delica yet? (one of these http://www.mdocuk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11339 ) Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: A real live air guitar! > Neil Toyne writes: > > > > Yup, I'll e there, with nephews... > > > Excellent - complete with Deli beast (or not yet)? > > You've lost me there I'm afraid. > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 17:06:33 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:06:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Holmfirth and beyond Message-ID: Just in case anyone is interested: I've been doing some web browsing (National Rail Enquiries and Traveline mostly) and was surprised at just how accessible Holmfirth seems to be - much more so than I imagined! A regular and plentiful bus service from Huddersfield or you can get almost all the way by train (at least as far as the appropriately named Brockholes and a 15 minute bus ride after that). There's even public transport on Sundays! In fact Yorkshire appears to have one of the most well organised transport system in the country and so far I'm thoroughly impressed (though admittedly not having travelled on it yet this could all change!). But definitely worth making a trip into the country I think! cheers jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Nov 15 19:48:46 2006 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:48:46 -0600 Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: <200611151521.kAFFLH4c026013@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >John McIntyre writes: > > > >>I don't get it. How can a sensor in the elbow of a shirt determine >>which notes the fretting hand is playing? >> >> > >Maybe it plays from the heart? > > > >>And do they make a left handed version? >> >> > >You have to wear the shirt inside-out. > >FoFP > > Actually, a different story popped up on a different list I'm subscribed to, and that story said the shirt will work for left or right handed players. No details on how. Still don't know how elbow sensors equate to finger movements. But I am reminded of H.P. Lovecraft's story "The Shunned House." (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 06:06:22 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:06:22 GMT Subject: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: Neil Toyne's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:39:36 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Toyne writes: > That'd be a no then - I meant have you got yourself a Delica yet? (one of > these http://www.mdocuk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11339 ) Hmmm. It'd certainly be handy for getting to Holmfirth, but no, I'm still on two-wheeled transport. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 06:07:05 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:07:05 GMT Subject: HW: Holmfirth and beyond In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:06:33 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Just in case anyone is interested: I've been doing some web browsing > (National Rail Enquiries and Traveline mostly) and was surprised at just how > accessible Holmfirth seems to be - much more so than I imagined! A regular > and plentiful bus service from Huddersfield or you can get almost all the > way by train (at least as far as the appropriately named Brockholes and a 15 > minute bus ride after that). There's even public transport on Sundays! > In fact Yorkshire appears to have one of the most well organised transport > system in the country and so far I'm thoroughly impressed (though admittedly > not having travelled on it yet this could all change!). Hmmm. Any way to get from Sheffield and back? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 09:42:39 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:42:39 GMT Subject: 2nd Amendment Guitar Message-ID: Ted Nugent's guitar is also a gun: http://tinyurl.com/ykku8p Now that's what I call Rocking For Rights! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 09:45:09 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:45:09 GMT Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Message-ID: Online petitions now available at Downing Street: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ I'm hoping to have one in there shortly for relegalisation of concealed handgun carry in Britain. Feel free to add your name... FoFP From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 10:23:23 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:23:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Message-ID: you are mad, move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. Europe should remain with a strict gun law in all countries... ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 16 November, 2006 3:45:09 PM Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Online petitions now available at Downing Street: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ I'm hoping to have one in there shortly for relegalisation of concealed handgun carry in Britain. Feel free to add your name... FoFP Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 11:10:34 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:10:34 GMT Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: Amphetamine Embalmer's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:23:23 +0000 Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > you are mad Ever heard the phrase "Pot. Kettle. Black"? > move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. Someone else is already shooting their criminals. > Europe should remain with a strict gun law in all countries... Hellooo! Ever hear of "Switzerland"? FoFP From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Thu Nov 16 11:42:31 2006 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:42:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: <200611161610.kAGGAYCh019286@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. > Someone > else is already shooting their criminals. Ouch. I really hope that was meant to be said 'tongue-in-cheek'. R. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 11:59:22 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:59:22 GMT Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: Richard Crossley's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Crossley writes: > > Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. > > Someone else is already shooting their criminals. > Ouch. I really hope that was meant to be said 'tongue-in-cheek'. Sadly, some things are too serious to be joked about. FoFP From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 12:00:28 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:00:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Message-ID: >>> rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM 11/16/2006 11:42 AM >>> > Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. > Someone > else is already shooting their criminals. Ouch. I really hope that was meant to be said 'tongue-in-cheek'. Hey, good luck with that Wild West mentality. As you can see, it's worked out quite well here in the US... tj From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Thu Nov 16 12:04:01 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:04:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The "right to bear arms" is a Pandora's box. In the US, the box was opened a long time ago, now there's no way to shut it. I hope you Brits don't make the same mistake. Guido Ted Jackson wrote: >>>> rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM 11/16/2006 11:42 AM >>> >>>> >> Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. >> Someone >> else is already shooting their criminals. >> > > Ouch. I really hope that was meant to be said 'tongue-in-cheek'. > > > Hey, good luck with that Wild West > mentality. As you can see, it's worked > out quite well here in the US... > > tj > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 12:17:06 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:17:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: <004d01c7099e$3f633ee0$be29bca0$@com> Message-ID: Sometimes you just have to hope that there was humour. Richard Crossley wrote: > Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. > Someone > else is already shooting their criminals. Ouch. I really hope that was meant to be said 'tongue-in-cheek'. R. From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Nov 16 13:08:38 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:08:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: <20061116152323.3939.qmail@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > you are mad, move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. > Europe should remain with a strict gun law in all countries... Somebody has set up us the gun control thread! All our inbox are belong to it! From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Nov 16 13:10:27 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: <200611161445.kAGEj9j8002490@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Online petitions now available at Downing Street: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ Lets get Blair to replace John Reid with Dave Brock as Home Secretary. (Have to make him a life peer first; Lord Brock of Stonehenge has a nice ring about it) From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 16 12:59:50 2006 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:59:50 -0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! re inner city unit Message-ID: i'm petitioning for the legalisation of concealed heavy artillery ( 150mm and above)... ...and by the way, inner city unit are back if you didn't know already INNER CITY UNIT, The number one chart-topping Gods of Psychedelia, Punk, Spacerock, Doowop, and Country and Western, rise again!!! Catch them at the wonderful and super Kitch Vikram's Occasions Palace, Herschel St. Slough. Bucks Saturday November 18th 2006 Part of the Fennerfest, "An enforced celebration ... serving the nation-destroying purpose of international atheistic socialism" ICU are: THE MIGHTY THUNDER RIDER, NIK TURNER - JUDGE TREV - COMMANDER JIM HAWKMAN - NAZAR ALI KHAN - MEURIG - THE MEKON, and OLA plus guests Tickets ?5 available in advance here http://www.wegottickets.com/event/13244 Map http://www.vikramsoccasionspalace.com/Map2.gif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Petition the PM! you are mad, move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. Europe should remain with a strict gun law in all countries... ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 16 November, 2006 3:45:09 PM Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Online petitions now available at Downing Street: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ I'm hoping to have one in there shortly for relegalisation of concealed handgun carry in Britain. Feel free to add your name... FoFP Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Nov 16 13:24:33 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:24:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! re inner city unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: trev wrote: > INNER CITY UNIT, The number one chart-topping Gods of Psychedelia, > Punk, Spacerock, Doowop, and Country and Western, rise again!!! > > Catch them at the wonderful and super Kitch > > Vikram's Occasions Palace, > Herschel St. > Slough. > Bucks What's that place like inside? It's just round the corner from where my parents live, so I've walked past it a number of times. 'Super Kitsch' seems to sum it up quite well. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 13:56:51 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:56:51 GMT Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: Tim Hall's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Tim Hall writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > Online petitions now available at Downing Street: > > > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ > > Lets get Blair to replace John Reid with Dave Brock as Home Secretary. > (Have to make him a life peer first; Lord Brock of Stonehenge has a nice > ring about it) I think you need half a million to become a Life Peer. FoFP From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 15:44:10 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:44:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Holmfirth and beyond Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: Holmfirth and beyond > > Hmmm. Any way to get from Sheffield and back? > > FoFP > No problem. For trains between Sheffield and Brockholes (or Huddersfield) go here: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ or here: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ and put in the relevant placenames and dates. For buses between Holmfirth and Brockholes (or even Holmfirth and Huddersfield) find times by going here and clicking on the Journey Planner tag http://www.yorkshiretravel.net/ or here (if it works): http://www.yorkshiretravel.net/JourneyPlanner.jsp?vm_Reset_str=true then putting in the relevant placenames. Irritatingly it only allows you to select up to 1st December but buses on Sunday 26th November or Monday 27th November should still be relevant in December (surely?). You can get a full timetable by clicking on the appropriate tag. There seems to be plenty of choice! cheers jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== > Jill Strobridge writes: > >> Just in case anyone is interested: I've been doing some web browsing >> (National Rail Enquiries and Traveline mostly) and was surprised at just >> how >> accessible Holmfirth seems to be - much more so than I imagined! A >> regular >> and plentiful bus service from Huddersfield or you can get almost all the >> way by train (at least as far as the appropriately named Brockholes and a >> 15 >> minute bus ride after that). There's even public transport on Sundays! >> In fact Yorkshire appears to have one of the most well organised >> transport >> system in the country and so far I'm thoroughly impressed (though >> admittedly >> not having travelled on it yet this could all change!). > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 11:40:35 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:40:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes ----- Original Message ---- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 16 November, 2006 5:10:34 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Petition the PM! Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > you are mad Ever heard the phrase "Pot. Kettle. Black"? I have been called that... :-) my bowl is now known by the name "Black Pot Kettle"... legalize cannabis instead of guns and you woulnd't worry about violence and guns and junkies.... > move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. Someone else is already shooting their criminals. define criminal.. they are people too, i am in jail but i'm not a criminal. There should be no prisons and no guns in Utopia... > Europe should remain with a strict gun law in all countries... Hellooo! Ever hear of "Switzerland"? Helloooo down there in England... swiss dave eats swiss cheese, Norway is not Switzerland... we eat Jarlsberg and brown goat's cheese with honey and jam up here in Norge. Norway had an empire as big as the English too so lets preserve european high culture and interests and set an example for USA, who should rather shoot politicians or themselves, not just criminals.. Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From rhamel4129 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 16:22:04 2006 From: rhamel4129 at AOL.COM (rhamel4129 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:22:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? Curious what else might be out there... Thanks, Rich ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Thu Nov 16 17:51:04 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:51:04 -0500 Subject: Six Degrees of Imaginos Message-ID: where can you get albert's demos? thanks adam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos > I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been > listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) demos, > and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces with Brain > Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the Imaginos songs might be > out there? The Albert demos seem to have most of the music complete > without effects, most of the backups complete, but Albert's lead vocals > seem to be more of the reference variety (trying out different cadences, > etc) than a final product. Somewhere in between the demos and final > release, Joey Cerisano was brought in to redo the vocals. Are there > versions of these recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on > the final product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? > Are there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? > > Curious what else might be out there... > > Thanks, > > Rich > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 16:40:49 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:40:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Message-ID: hehe I'm playing "Astronomy" from Imaginos on radio next Saturday (just maybe, it slipped into the playlist yesterday).. its the best version IMO. Would like to hear those Bouchard demos.... Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: "rhamel4129 at AOL.COM" To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Thursday, 16 November, 2006 10:22:04 PM Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? Curious what else might be out there... Thanks, Rich ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Nov 16 18:34:03 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:34:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <20061116214049.22058.qmail@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > hehe I'm playing "Astronomy" from Imaginos on radio next Saturday > (just maybe, it slipped into the playlist yesterday).. its the best > version IMO. I always think the 'Some Enchanted Evening' live version is the definitive one. The Imaginos one is interestingly different, though. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 18:34:26 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:34:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Message-ID: ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Hall To: BO ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 November, 2006 12:34:03 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > hehe I'm playing "Astronomy" from Imaginos on radio next Saturday > (just maybe, it slipped into the playlist yesterday).. its the best > version IMO. I always think the 'Some Enchanted Evening' live version is the definitive one. The Imaginos one is interestingly different, though. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 18:37:09 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:37:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Message-ID: The original version is in storage with most of music, but I just have a deep rooted love for Imaginos... And I like disco :-) ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 17 November, 2006 12:34:03 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > hehe I'm playing "Astronomy" from Imaginos on radio next Saturday > (just maybe, it slipped into the playlist yesterday).. its the best > version IMO. I always think the 'Some Enchanted Evening' live version is the definitive one. The Imaginos one is interestingly different, though. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 20:36:19 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:36:19 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio in Oslo! Message-ID: Here is what I did this summer/fall.. played some radio shows. Have every show on CDR so just ask (trade 1:1 world wide - shows hosted by me in Norwegian so you'll hear me talkin kinda funny ;-)) RADIORAKEL FM 99.3, BROADCAST IN THE GREATER OSLO AREA PROGRAM "UH?RT", GUEST HOSTED BY CHRISTIAN MUMFORD SHOW 1: FRIENDS AND RELATIONS "RAVE ON IN THE 80's AND 90's" SPECIAL 04/05/06 "Trip To G9" by Spiral Realms (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers"/originally from"Trip To G9") "Venusian Skyline" by Melting Euphoria (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers") "The Master" by Helios Creed (from "Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers"/originally from "Cosmic Assault") "The Right Stuff" by Pressurehed (from "F&R: CT"/"Sudden Vertigo") "Aimless Flight" by Underground Zer? (from Best of Friends & Relations"/???) "Dodgem Dudes" by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") "Starcruiser"by Michael Moorcok's Deep Fix (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/originally from "New World's Fair") "The Widow Song" by Robert Calvert (from "Best of Friends & Relations"/???) "Outside The Law" by Lloyd Langton Group (from "Best of Friends & Relations", originally from "Outside The Law") "Sunray" by Hawkwind w/Arthur Brown (from "Take Me To Your Leader") SHOW 2: MAGICK DARK WAVE AND OLD NEW AGE HAWKSTUFF SPECIAL 10/06/06 "Saruman" by Summoning (from "Lost Tales") "Film Of The Book" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "The Legendary Pink Box") "The Golden Dawn" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") "Demonism" by The Legendary Pink Dots (from "Asylum") "Down On Her Knees" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") "Live And Let Live" by Hawkwind (from "Weird Tapes vol. 8: 1966-1972") "The Greenfly And The Rose" by Robert Calvert (from "Freq Revisited") "Test Tube Conceived" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") "Fanfare For The Perfect Race" by Robert Calvert (from "Test Tube Conceived") "The Only Ones" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") "Drug Cabinet Key" by Hawklords (from "25 Years On") SHOW 3: DARK 90's SPACEWAVE, PSY-DOOM AND THUNDERJUDGE SPECIAL 02/09/06 "Time Slip" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") "Shockneck" by Pressurehed (from "Sudden Vertigo") "Bones Of Elvis (live)" by Inner City Unit (from CD reissue of "Passout") "Penny Dreadful (Full Shilling Mix)" by Skyclad (from "History Lessens") "Brainstorm" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Cybernetic Love" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Fallout" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Nuclear Waste" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Watching The Grass Grow" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Master Of The Universe" by Inner City Unit (from "Passout") "Revelations" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The Score!") "Slow Down Motorhead" by Judge Trev's Inner City Unit (from "Now You Know The Score!") "Earth Messiah" by Cathedral (from "Caravan Beyond Redemption") SHOW 4: HAWKWIND LIVE METAL ANARCHY: THE SPACE ROCK RIFF ON WELFARE 21/10/06 "Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Ejection" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Shot Down In The Night" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Master Of The Universe" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Psychedelic Warlords" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Arrival In Utopia" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Social Alliance" by Hawkwind (from "Choose Your Masques 2: Live 1982") "Four Minute Warning" by Chaos UK (from "Chaos UK: The Singles") "Show You No Mercy" by Cro-Mags (from "Age Of Quarrel") "Song Of The Swords" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Dragons And Fables" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Sea King" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Rocky Paths" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "Needle Gun" by Hawkwind (from "Live Chronicles") "225" by New Model Army (from "The Collection" compilation) ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 17 06:48:08 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:48:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: A real live air guitar! In-Reply-To: <455A5A7A.1010508@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 06:08:26PM -0600, John McIntyre typed out: > I don't get it. How can a sensor in the elbow of a shirt determine > which notes the fretting hand is playing? I'm not a neurologist, but I could hazard a guess. Depending on how, er, well-covered one is, if you hold up your forearm before you, and flex each finger in turn while looking at your arm, you'll see that you can observe the tendons and muscles flexing, maybe even all the way down to your elbow. I'd guess that a suitably-arranged pressure sensor could thus feed back to the amp details of which muscles were working when. Though how it can tell whether you'd have fretted an invisible guitar properly or exactly where those fingers were to be placed... smoke and mirrors I reckon :-) Yours, Jon (whose ears are still buzzing from Motorhead last night--review to follow) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 06:56:54 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:56:54 GMT Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: Amphetamine Embalmer's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:40:35 +0000 Message-ID: Amphetamine Embalmer writes: > > move to USA if you want a handgun and shoot people. > Criminals, not people. Besides, I want to shoot *our* criminals. > Someone else is already shooting their criminals. > define criminal.. People who harm others without consent. > they are people too There we disagree. I see them as predators upon people. > i am in jail but i'm not a > criminal. Victimless crime? > There should be no prisons and no guns in Utopia... This ain't Utopia,. Anyway, it's not the place for a gun debate. Folks are free to back my petition or not, and that's how it should be. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 07:01:30 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:01:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Success!!! Message-ID: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Subject: Your petition to the Prime Minister has been approved > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:48:04 +0000 > To: M.Holmes at ed.ac.uk > > Your petition has been approved by the Number 10 web team, and > is now available on the Number 10 website at the following > address: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Legal-Handguns/ > > Your petition reads: > > We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to take the war > to criminals by permitting law-abiding citizens to carry > concealed handguns. > > In 33 States in the US, the relegalisation of handguns has > caused crime rates to fall substantially. In the UK, it should > be criminals rather than citizens who walk in fear. I call upon > the Prime Minister to relegalise ownership and carrying of > handguns, after passing a training qualification, by any adult > with no history of violence or mental instability. > > Thanks for submitting your petition. > > -- the ePetitions team > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 07:55:48 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:55:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <200611171201.kAHC1Uij013830@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: One might argue that anyone wishing to carry a concealed handgun has excluded themselves from being permitted to do so by reason of mental instability. M Holmes wrote: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Subject: Your petition to the Prime Minister has been approved > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:48:04 +0000 > To: M.Holmes at ed.ac.uk > > Your petition has been approved by the Number 10 web team, and > is now available on the Number 10 website at the following > address: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Legal-Handguns/ > > Your petition reads: > > We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to take the war > to criminals by permitting law-abiding citizens to carry > concealed handguns. > > In 33 States in the US, the relegalisation of handguns has > caused crime rates to fall substantially. In the UK, it should > be criminals rather than citizens who walk in fear. I call upon > the Prime Minister to relegalise ownership and carrying of > handguns, after passing a training qualification, by any adult > with no history of violence or mental instability. > > Thanks for submitting your petition. > > -- the ePetitions team > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 08:01:08 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:01:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:55:48 +0000 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > One might argue that anyone wishing to carry a concealed handgun has > excluded themselves from being permitted to do so by reason of mental > instability. You're just worried by that "First we shoot all the lawyers..." quip. FoFP From Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 08:05:39 2006 From: Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM (Martin Hutchby) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:05:39 EST Subject: OFF: Success!!! Message-ID: An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related deaths i n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age speaks for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with their own weapon (that includes cops). Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want to trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and in accordance with prevailing legislation ????? And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in the public domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people qualified to impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to shoot or not. I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is even a serious consideration. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 08:28:27 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:28:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <233.42da65fd.328f0da3@aol.com> Message-ID: It is not a serious consideration; the chances of his petition being taken seriously in the UK are precisely 0. Martin Hutchby wrote: An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related deaths i n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age speaks for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with their own weapon (that includes cops). Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want to trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and in accordance with prevailing legislation ????? And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in the public domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people qualified to impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to shoot or not. I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is even a serious consideration. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 08:34:48 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:34:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <200611171301.kAHD18Cr025739@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: No, I just find the idea of allowing the public to carry guns utterly absurd. Given the incidents of road rage, supermarket rage, parking rage, bus queue rage etc, the idea that a large percentage of people are calm and considered enough to be trusted carrying a gun is absolutely ludicrous. Given your criteria for being allowed to carry a gun, that would enable all non-violent criminals to carry guns, as well as they typical boozed up lager lout. I am sure that you would not want to live with the consequences of that;). Colin M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > One might argue that anyone wishing to carry a concealed handgun has > excluded themselves from being permitted to do so by reason of mental > instability. You're just worried by that "First we shoot all the lawyers..." quip. FoFP From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Nov 17 09:07:00 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:07:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Success!!! Message-ID: >>> Thaiboysexpress at AOL.COM 11/17/2006 8:05 AM >>> An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related deaths i n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age speaks for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with their own weapon (that includes cops). Yet Canada has a large guns-to-population ratio, and very little gun crime. There are more factors in play in the equation. If you had a hypothetical population where everyone was well-eduacated and well-off money-wise, I dare say you could arm the whole nation [Switzerland?] and have very little gun violence. But clearly, the US is not such a place. There are actually more guns than people in the US! And it hasn't worked so far... theo A gun owner who thinks there are too many of them in the wrong hands... From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri Nov 17 09:34:37 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:34:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <20061117133449.61550.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You're absolutely right Colin, and that doesn't even take into account the number of people here that leave their guns (why would you even need more than 1 anyway) laying around where their little children can find them - and then they're loaded. It seems to happen a lot here. People forget (or don't know) that "the right to bear arms" was given at a time when the U.S. didn't have a standing army, and needed a militia made up of the general population to protect the country from Indians, the British, and the French, etc. tim 8>)... On 11/17/06, Colin Allen wrote: > > No, I just find the idea of allowing the public to carry guns utterly > absurd. Given the incidents of road rage, supermarket rage, parking rage, > bus queue rage etc, the idea that a large percentage of people are calm and > considered enough to be trusted carrying a gun is absolutely ludicrous. > > Given your criteria for being allowed to carry a gun, that would enable > all non-violent criminals to carry guns, as well as they typical boozed up > lager lout. I am sure that you would not want to live with the consequences > of that;). > > Colin > > M Holmes wrote: > Colin Allen writes: > > > One might argue that anyone wishing to carry a concealed handgun has > > excluded themselves from being permitted to do so by reason of mental > > instability. > > You're just worried by that "First we shoot all the lawyers..." quip. > > FoFP > -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 17 09:36:14 2006 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:36:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! Message-ID: i agree about handguns, but i feel strongly that an exception should be made not just for heavy artillery, but for anything above and including the good old 88mm. just imagine, our budding wyat earp pulls his six-gun (probably pissed) while 1000 yards away...JA WOHL. ...the steely blue eyes of uberstrumbahnfuhrer schmidt cross the hairs on the superb krupps-made piece and FEUER!...the high velocity 88mm solid shot round takes the buntline special out of the pratts hand. woooo lordy, who stole ma piece? see what i mean, no injury and good promo for the 3rd reich...cough by the way whos coming to our gig slough tomorrow AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Hutchby" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Success!!! > An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to > carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related > deaths i > n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age speaks > for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with > their > own weapon (that includes cops). > Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want > to > trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and > in > accordance with prevailing legislation ????? > And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be > appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in > the public > domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people > qualified to > impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to > shoot > or not. > I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is > even a serious consideration. > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 09:57:25 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:57:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sod that! Why not just carry a Queen Elizabeth class dreadnought around;). That would scare the buggers. trev wrote: i agree about handguns, but i feel strongly that an exception should be made not just for heavy artillery, but for anything above and including the good old 88mm. just imagine, our budding wyat earp pulls his six-gun (probably pissed) while 1000 yards away...JA WOHL. ...the steely blue eyes of uberstrumbahnfuhrer schmidt cross the hairs on the superb krupps-made piece and FEUER!...the high velocity 88mm solid shot round takes the buntline special out of the pratts hand. woooo lordy, who stole ma piece? see what i mean, no injury and good promo for the 3rd reich...cough by the way whos coming to our gig slough tomorrow AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Hutchby" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Success!!! > An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to > carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related > deaths i > n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age speaks > for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with > their > own weapon (that includes cops). > Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want > to > trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and > in > accordance with prevailing legislation ????? > And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be > appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in > the public > domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people > qualified to > impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to > shoot > or not. > I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is > even a serious consideration. > From bart at HAWKBOY.NL Fri Nov 17 11:04:30 2006 From: bart at HAWKBOY.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:04:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <20061117145725.63679.qmail@web86802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Needlegun anyone? --BArt On Fri, November 17, 2006 3:57 pm, Colin Allen wrote: > Sod that! Why not just carry a Queen Elizabeth class dreadnought around;). > That would scare the buggers. > > trev wrote: i agree about handguns, but i feel > strongly that an exception should be made > not just for heavy artillery, but for anything above and including the > good > old 88mm. just imagine, our budding wyat earp pulls his six-gun (probably > pissed) while 1000 yards away...JA WOHL. ...the steely blue eyes of > uberstrumbahnfuhrer schmidt cross the hairs on the superb krupps-made > piece > and FEUER!...the high velocity 88mm solid shot round takes the buntline > special out of the pratts hand. > woooo lordy, who stole ma piece? > see what i mean, no injury and good promo for the 3rd reich...cough > > by the way whos coming to our gig slough tomorrow > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS > TO > MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS > EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN > RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > http://www.judgetrev.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Hutchby" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Success!!! > > >> An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to >> carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun >> related >> deaths i >> n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age >> speaks >> for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot >> with >> their >> own weapon (that includes cops). >> Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want >> to >> trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and >> in >> accordance with prevailing legislation ????? >> And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be >> appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in >> the public >> domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people >> qualified to >> impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to >> shoot >> or not. >> I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is >> even a serious consideration. >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 17 11:52:31 2006 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:52:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! Message-ID: now you're talking preferably the warspite, nicely re-equipped... wyat comes up to you in the street (probably pissed). "hey, longhair - are you a boy - or a girl"? suddenly he is vaporised by a full broadside (approx 8 tons of high explosive) delivered from a distance of 24,000 yards of course you will have to arrange with scotty to be beamed up just before the detonation who's coming to slough then? AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com REAL MUSIC CLUB is supported by the Brighton and Hove Arts Commission tel: 0044 (0)1273 387645 REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Success!!! > Sod that! Why not just carry a Queen Elizabeth class dreadnought around;). > That would scare the buggers. > > trev wrote: i agree about handguns, but i feel > strongly that an exception should be made > not just for heavy artillery, but for anything above and including the > good > old 88mm. just imagine, our budding wyat earp pulls his six-gun (probably > pissed) while 1000 yards away...JA WOHL. ...the steely blue eyes of > uberstrumbahnfuhrer schmidt cross the hairs on the superb krupps-made > piece > and FEUER!...the high velocity 88mm solid shot round takes the buntline > special out of the pratts hand. > woooo lordy, who stole ma piece? > see what i mean, no injury and good promo for the 3rd reich...cough > > by the way whos coming to our gig slough tomorrow > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS > TO > MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS > EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN > RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > http://www.judgetrev.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Hutchby" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Success!!! > > >> An absolutely outrageous idea that ordinary people should be allowed to >> carry guns of any description. Look at the comparison between gun related >> deaths i >> n the UK and the US, popuation difference aside the per capita %age >> speaks >> for itself. Also look at the statistics of how many of them are shot with >> their >> own weapon (that includes cops). >> Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want >> to >> trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and >> in >> accordance with prevailing legislation ????? >> And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be >> appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in >> the public >> domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people >> qualified to >> impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to >> shoot >> or not. >> I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is >> even a serious consideration. >> > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Nov 17 14:44:04 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:44:04 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK & Scattered Planets quicktime video clips from 2004 Message-ID: While perousing the net, I found this link to some very cool still and moving images of Sloterdijk & Scattered Planets. Thanks to our friends Brainstatic!!!! Mike Burro http://www.brainstatik.com/ccc111304.html From tim at KALYR.COM Fri Nov 17 19:40:03 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:40:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <1151.213.53.189.27.1163779470.squirrel@webmail.pcextreme.nl> Message-ID: Bart Brugmans wrote: > Needlegun anyone? What about a Black Blade, forged a million billion years ago? From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Fri Nov 17 20:00:15 2006 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:00:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <20061117133449.61550.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Too right Colin. The stats that are cited in the "petition" are baked anyway. Or I should say half baked. Thought there is a correlation statistically, there is no causal correlation at all. Just a bunch of bunkum. Too many people get shot by handguns every min in the US. Don't repeat our stupidity. Mike Colin Allen wrote: > No, I just find the idea of allowing the public to carry guns utterly absurd. Given the incidents of road rage, supermarket rage, parking rage, bus queue rage etc, the idea that a large percentage of people are calm and considered enough to be trusted carrying a gun is absolutely ludicrous. > > Given your criteria for being allowed to carry a gun, that would enable all non-violent criminals to carry guns, as well as they typical boozed up lager lout. I am sure that you would not want to live with the consequences of that;). > > Colin From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 18 06:03:31 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:03:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: 2nd Amendment Guitar In-Reply-To: <200611161442.kAGEgdDA001992@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 02:42:39PM +0000, M Holmes typed out: > Ted Nugent's guitar is also a gun: > > http://tinyurl.com/ykku8p > > Now that's what I call Rocking For Rights! That's what I call `really ludicrous insurance problems' myself :-) "Yes, I'm going to take a hunting rifle on stage." Is it loaded Mr Nugent? "I'm not saying." And so on... Yours, Jon ObCD: Pressurehed - _Explaining the Unexplained_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 18 06:49:54 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:49:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Petition the PM! In-Reply-To: <20061116164035.12396.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 04:40:35PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > define criminal.. they are people too, i am in jail but i'm not a criminal. There should be no > prisons and no guns in Utopia... I have it on the authority of Messrs Brock and, ahem, `Steele', that Utopia will be pretty boring. At least there could be target shooting :-) > Helloooo down there in England... swiss dave eats swiss cheese, Norway is not Switzerland... we eat > Jarlsberg and brown goat's cheese with honey and jam up here in Norge. Norway had an empire as big > as the English too so lets preserve european high culture and interests and set an example for USA, > who should rather shoot politicians or themselves, not just criminals.. Norway's empire was pretty big, if rather intermittent. What, Iceland, the Northern and Western Isles, Norway, sometimes Denmark, a bit of Sweden, yes? The Faroes too. It depends whether you count the Archbishopric of Trondheim, which contained a lot of territories belonging to other states and didn't necessarily answer to the will of the King of Norway. And of course, sometimes the King of Norway was imposed by the King of Denmark. It's all rather confusing for a few centuries there. I'm not sure all this adds up to quite the territorial extent of the British Empire but that was seven hundred years later and achieved after the invention of the steam-powered airship of course. Oh hang on, wrong reality :-) Yours, Jon (campaigning for historical accuracy in off-the-cuff internet rantings since 1996 or so) ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 19 10:20:12 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:20:12 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock & Alchemical Radio shows + New Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com NOVEMBER 19, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS AND MAIL ORDER GOODIES I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #164), and BIG NEWS the return of Alchemical Radio! See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock the past couple weeks: Terrplane ? Into the Unknown CD (German stoner-psych-space) Lamp of the Universe - Mystic Rays of Astrological Light CD (New album!) Black Sun Ensemble - Bolt of Apollo CD (New album from this long lived psych band) Restocks on both Taipuva Luotisuora CDs, Weird Biscuit Teatime and Mahamudra. Hear a track from the just released second Mahamudra CD on this week?s show. I?ll have it in stock soon. PLEASE bear with me on the new Oresund Space Collective and Dark Sun CDs. I?m glad so many of you are hot to get these but I can?t control the postal service. They?re on the way and I expect to have them any day now. THANKS for your patience. For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #164) Mahamudra ? ?Colina Dos Elementos? (from Alcintara) Nick Riff ? ?Freak Element? (from Magick Museum) Hypnos 69 ? ?Ominous (But Fooled Before)? (from The Eclectic Measure) Vert:x ? ?Space Junk? (from Space Junk CD single) Paul Didge ? ?XIUQI? (from The Albino Aborigine) Terraplane - "Mantra" (from Into the Unknown) Nukli ? ?Spiral Dance? (from Return of the Festival Band) Polytoxicomane Philharmonie ? ?Opinion? (from A Kaleidoscope of Sounds compilation) Unimother 27 ? ?Native State? (from Unimother 27) Lamp of the Universe ? ?Anandamaya? (from From The Mystic Rays of Astrological Light) Vopat ? ?Stanfa? (from Silhouette) Warpsmasher ? ?Arizona Is Devil?s Land? (from Transformation Chamber) Taipuva Luotisuora ? ?Out of the Chrysalis? (from II) Gi?bia ? ?Beyond the Stars? (from Beyond the Stars) The Best of Alchemical Radio Volume 1 Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Progressive Rock, Psychedelia and much much more. Minimum Vital ? ?The Invitation? Parallel Or 90 Degrees ? ?Encapsulated? Giorgos Christianakis ? ?The Azure? Vulgar Unicorn ? ?It Didn?t Used To Be This Way? Last James ? ?Kintergarten Part One? XII Alphonso ? ?Breathing Scarcely? Russel Hibbs ? ?Envirolament? Mostly Autumn ? ?The Last Climb? Nodens Ictus ? ?Chickens In The Mist? Punishment Of Luxury ? ?Revelations? M. Nominised ? ?Le Reveur? http://Aural-Innovations.com From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun Nov 19 16:27:44 2006 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:27:44 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock & Alchemical Radio shows + New Mail Order Goodies In-Reply-To: <200611191520.kAJFKJtR026284@www.aural-innovations.com> Message-ID: Jerry Kranitz wrote: > http://Aural-Innovations.com > > NOVEMBER 19, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS AND MAIL ORDER GOODIES > > I Hey Jerry, thanks for the Nasoni CD. There's some excellent music on there. I have to save up some money now to get a few CD's from those bands. :) Jerry From albert at CELLSUM.COM Sun Nov 19 22:32:34 2006 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:32:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <8C8D7DC65C6BC3F-BD8-22CE@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joey C did final vocals on del rio's song, gil blanco county and magna of illusion as well as siege. Steve Schenck has the tapes. I don't know if they will ever be released but I know they are all excellent. I also have another excellent instrumental version of imaginos that no one has heard, There might be better final vocals from me but I was not singing so well at that time. I'm sure I could do them a lot better now. :-( Al On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:22 PM, rhamel4129 at AOL.COM wrote: > I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been > listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) > demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces > with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the > Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have > most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups > complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference > variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. > Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was > brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these > recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final > product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are > there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? > > Curious what else might be out there... > > Thanks, > > Rich > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 20 04:32:28 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:32:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Review Haarlem, 03.11.2006 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06 Nov 2006, at 20:02, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > Yes it would. Good call. > > In a message dated 11/06/2006 11:21:17 GMT Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: >> I'd really like to see them try "Palestine" in the middle of >> Sword of >> the East. I suspect it would work very well. Better than in Hassan I Sabha, actually, I think! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 20 06:52:50 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:52:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <25C41BCF-B357-4050-858B-98BA36B4560A@cellsum.com> Message-ID: On 20/11/2006 03:32, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Joey C did final vocals on del rio's song, gil blanco county and magna > of illusion as well as siege. Steve Schenck has the tapes. I don't know > if they will ever be released but I know they are all excellent. I also > have another excellent instrumental version of imaginos that no one has > heard, There might be better final vocals from me but I was not singing > so well at that time. I'm sure I could do them a lot better now. :-( Eh, it's time for the Imaginos Risen Revenant Remix project :) Ever since I first encountered it, I've never been able to get this image out of my head: "Out beyond the Europe's rim and further by far, beyond the sphere of light, into a place where darkness is omnipotent and never from hungry. In Mayaland in the Yucatan he will discover an unheard-of temple or pyramid. At the core of the pyramid, with only one way in and no way out, is a chamber of jade, curiously sculpted with impossible angles, itself surrounding something hardly there, a new germ, made from 'pieces of the perfect black.'In the chamber of jade is a mirror carved of blackest obsidian, black volcanic glass, tempered with blood: 'the sugar of sacrifice.' Obviously a magic mirror, it is nothing less than the Magna of Illusion ...." That's just so awesomely cool :) It's got all the weird occultic mythological madness that fantasically oriented heavy metal could want, but without the overused wizards'n'demons'n'dungeons'n'dragons theme. Can we have some wild picture of the Chamber of Jade on album cover? :) Can we film the video in Chichen Itza or something? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 07:01:11 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:01:11 GMT Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: Tim Hall's message of Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:40:03 +0000 Message-ID: Tim Hall writes: > Bart Brugmans wrote: > > > Needlegun anyone? > > What about a Black Blade, forged a million billion years ago? It'd be OK in Scotland so long as it was less than 3 inches in length. It's getting so ridiculous that they'll be banning sporks next. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 07:02:21 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:02:21 GMT Subject: OFF: 2nd Amendment Guitar In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:03:31 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 02:42:39PM +0000, M Holmes typed out: > > Ted Nugent's guitar is also a gun: > > http://tinyurl.com/ykku8p > > Now that's what I call Rocking For Rights! > That's what I call `really ludicrous insurance problems' > myself :-) "Yes, I'm going to take a hunting rifle on stage." Is it > loaded Mr Nugent? "I'm not saying." And so on... Gives new meaning to the phrase "Never shour 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre" ;-) FoFP From jt_ at COX.NET Mon Nov 20 12:06:53 2006 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:06:53 -0600 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos Message-ID: I've always thought that if Rhino released Stalk Forrest material, they should release Imaginos "the way it was meant to be." Too expensive to secure the rights? Sigh. ---- Albert Bouchard wrote: ============= Joey C did final vocals on del rio's song, gil blanco county and magna of illusion as well as siege. Steve Schenck has the tapes. I don't know if they will ever be released but I know they are all excellent. I also have another excellent instrumental version of imaginos that no one has heard, There might be better final vocals from me but I was not singing so well at that time. I'm sure I could do them a lot better now. :-( Al On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:22 PM, rhamel4129 at AOL.COM wrote: > I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been > listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) > demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces > with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the > Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have > most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups > complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference > variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. > Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was > brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these > recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final > product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are > there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? > > Curious what else might be out there... > > Thanks, > > Rich > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Nov 20 12:47:57 2006 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:47:57 -0800 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <25C41BCF-B357-4050-858B-98BA36B4560A@cellsum.com> Message-ID: Al, What's up with the Brain Surgeons taking a hiatus? I wanted to see the show in Kansas City but my work situation was iffy. Gary Albert Bouchard wrote: Joey C did final vocals on del rio's song, gil blanco county and magna of illusion as well as siege. Steve Schenck has the tapes. I don't know if they will ever be released but I know they are all excellent. I also have another excellent instrumental version of imaginos that no one has heard, There might be better final vocals from me but I was not singing so well at that time. I'm sure I could do them a lot better now. :-( Al On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:22 PM, rhamel4129 at AOL.COM wrote: > I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been > listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) > demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces > with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the > Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have > most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups > complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference > variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. > Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was > brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these > recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final > product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are > there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? > > Curious what else might be out there... > > Thanks, > > Rich > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms From tim at KALYR.COM Mon Nov 20 13:18:54 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:18:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Success!!! In-Reply-To: <200611201201.kAKC1Beu026208@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >>What about a Black Blade, forged a million billion years ago? > > It'd be OK in Scotland so long as it was less than 3 inches in length. That would rather cramp Elric's style.... From albert at CELLSUM.COM Mon Nov 20 13:23:57 2006 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:23:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <20061120174757.58874.qmail@web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brain Surgeons are still on hiatus with no plans for the future right now. I have some other projects I'm working on (including another Regal Tones reunion for summer 07) but the Brain Surgeons are taking a rest. Maybe if we win a Grammy we'll reactivate. Al On Nov 20, 2006, at 12:47 PM, gary shindler wrote: > Al, > What's up with the Brain Surgeons taking a hiatus? I wanted to > see the show in Kansas City but my work situation was iffy. > Gary > > Albert Bouchard wrote: > Joey C did final vocals on del rio's song, gil blanco county and > magna of illusion as well as siege. Steve Schenck has the tapes. I > don't know if they will ever be released but I know they are all > excellent. I also have another excellent instrumental version of > imaginos that no one has heard, There might be better final vocals > from me but I was not singing so well at that time. I'm sure I could > do them a lot better now. :-( > Al > > On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:22 PM, rhamel4129 at AOL.COM wrote: > >> I've been on a bit of an Imaginos kick lately. Currently I've been >> listening to the released Imaginos, Albert's 1982 (or was it '84) >> demos, and the stuff that Albert has put out in bits and pieces >> with Brain Surgeons. My question: What other versions of the >> Imaginos songs might be out there? The Albert demos seem to have >> most of the music complete without effects, most of the backups >> complete, but Albert's lead vocals seem to be more of the reference >> variety (trying out different cadences, etc) than a final product. >> Somewhere in between the demos and final release, Joey Cerisano was >> brought in to redo the vocals. Are there versions of these >> recordings (only "...Frankenstein" having been used on the final >> product) out there? Did he redo all of the other lead vocals? Are >> there versions out there with more refined Albert vocals? >> >> Curious what else might be out there... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rich >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> __ >> Check out the new AOL. 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For more info about past Hawkfests go to http://www.hawkwind.com/gigs/NwHf/tx.htm To apply for Hawkfest tickets by cheque, please send a cheque for ?60 made out to "Hawkfest Ltd" to : Hawkfest PO Box 28 Honiton Devon EX14 1PB Please include your Name: Address: Hawkwind Passport Number: Email: Contact telephone number: Also let us know if you will be bringing any children 12 or under and if so, how many? More details of Hawkfest will follow soon and we will be setting up a Hawkfest website, so you can keep up with the news as it happens. Dogs will be allowed on the campsite, but not in the hotel buildings or marquee. There will be a limited amount of electric hook-ups available...please ask us for more details when you book, but this will be on a first come first served basis and there will be a small charge payable to the site owner. We will have a credit card facility up and running in the next few weeks, meanwhile if you would like to pre order your tickets, please send an email with all of the details listed above to admin at hawkwind.com Tickets will be limited to 1000, so if you don't want to miss out, it is advisable to order your tickets as soon as possible. That's that for now...more news soon. The Hawkfest team From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 20 18:13:09 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:13:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: Six Degrees of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <939319A3-688F-49C3-A8B4-199D449469DF@cellsum.com> Message-ID: On 20 Nov 2006, at 18:23, albert bouchard wrote: > Brain Surgeons are still on hiatus with no plans for the future > right now. I have some other projects I'm working on (including > another Regal Tones reunion for summer 07) but the Brain Surgeons > are taking a rest. Maybe if we win a Grammy we'll reactivate. Well, hmmm. Still -- failing a Grammy win, at least _Denial of Death_ was a *storming* recording to go out on. Definitely a bang, and nothing like a whimper! Looking forward to hearing about any ongoing recording projects (as the chances of me making a Regal Tones reunion are, well, limited! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 21 18:58:10 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:58:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: guns debate In-Reply-To: <233.42da65fd.328f0da3@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:05:39AM -0500, Martin Hutchby typed out: > Just think of the amount of idiots that get a driving licence - you want to > trust them to make split second decisions to use a firearm correctly and in > accordance with prevailing legislation ????? > And out of interest, what sort of "training qualification" would be > appropriate......I don't think there are many judgemental simulators in the public > domain which would allow for scenario training; let alone people qualified to > impart the rationale behind the whole judgemental process of whether to shoot > or not. Speaking as someone who was handling firearms, albeit under proper supervision, at age 15, and got reasonably good at target shooting with what had once been been a standard issue military weapon, I have an opinion or two on this, though they aren't the same as Mike's. All the same, there is training possible for this sort of thing. The first and foremost thing is to inculcate the awareness of what the effect of the weapon actually is. I started on target rifles whose tiny bullets were, my teacher told us, more likely to give you lead poisoning than a serious injury, as long of course as they were kept away from the face, when all bets were off. But just for effect setting up a pineapple or something like that and putting a bullet through it will make your impression for you. For anyone who's safe to be handling firearms that ought to be an object lesson; these things are, as Skynyrd observed, made for killing. The other thing, which Mike and every red-blooded gun-carrying American would object to as it seriously weakens the self-defence arguments, is that the best way to avoid accidents is to keep ammunition and weapon separately, as is law in Britain for those who do have firearms licenses of the sort that *don't* permit you to carry concealed weapons. A friend of mine who mails out wacky news items has stopped carrying the ones where people shoot themselves by accident because they were keeping a loaded gun under their pillow or similar--there are just too many cases. A British gun license is only issued when the locked cabinet that you're going to keep the weapon in, and the other separate one that you're going to keep the ammo in, have been inspected officially. No application to Mike's desired concealed carry, of course, and not much cop for home defence; but beyond this, simple military habits about clearing your weapon before carrying and after use, and checking even when you know perfectly well it's clear, could go a long way. After all, they do in the US make you take a reasonably minimal amount of training when you take charge of what is currently the UK's most popular killing weapon, the car; I can't help but wonder why similar regulations don't apply to guns. Just the habit of properly clearing a weapon, and perhaps some bloody target practice, and you have to wonder whether the US's gun problem would look so serious. I wonder just how much of that problem is that the US doesn't take guns that seriously. > I know this isn't the forum for this debate but I cannot believe this is > even a serious consideration. I don't, I have to admit, see what the change in circumstances is that's so massive as to require a rethink of the UK's current regulations. That ssumes of course that one considers them basically well-intentioned, which is where Mike and I might differ. But I consider myself an experienced firearms user, and I wouldn't like to say that the populace would be safer if I carried a concealed pistol. The thought of people, even people with the best of intentions, without that experience doing so makes me decidedly uncomfortable. Yours, Jon ObLP: Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band - _Lick My Decals Off Baby_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 05:27:58 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:27:58 GMT Subject: OFF: guns debate In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: I don't really want to get into a debate here but one leetle comment. Jonathan Jarrett writes: > After all, they do in the US make you take a reasonably minimal > amount of training when you take charge of what is currently the UK's > most popular killing weapon, the car; I can't help but wonder why similar > regulations don't apply to guns. Just the habit of properly clearing a > weapon, and perhaps some bloody target practice, and you have to wonder > whether the US's gun problem would look so serious. There's very little serious problem with *legal* guns in the US. They're almost always used for self-defence or suicide, with a few badly-trained idiots on the side shooting themselves or letting kids get ahold of them. I'm in favour of so much training that US activists call me a "gun banner". Illegal guns on the other hand are quite a problem in the US, and a growing problem here... FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Nov 22 05:43:36 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:43:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: guns debate In-Reply-To: <20061121235810.GN16605@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 21/11/2006 23:58, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > For anyone who's safe to be handling firearms that > ought to be an object lesson; these things are, as Skynyrd observed, > made for killing. I believe that the intent of the Skynyrd lyric was to observe that handguns were made for killing people, being relatively useless for anything potentially more useful like hunting (for which rifles and shotguns serve very admirably). If you want to put dinner on the table, a snub-nosed .38 is a ridiculous tool, but it's it's very practical for shooting someone in an alley (where deer are seldom found). (That's really the only reason I chimed in: so I could comment of the interpretation of the lyrics. The rest of my wibbling below is just so much gravy :) > I wonder just how > much of that problem is that the US doesn't take guns that seriously. There is probably an strong element of truth in this. I suspect the number of accidents -- and number of "stupid things done that, alas, can't really be classed as accidents" -- among "people who take guns seriously" is far lower. Mind you, whether in the US or UK or anywhere else, I suspect the number of road accidents amongst people who take cars seriously is also lower! > But I consider > myself an experienced firearms user, and I wouldn't like to say that the > populace would be safer if I carried a concealed pistol. The thought of > people, even people with the best of intentions, without that experience > doing so makes me decidedly uncomfortable. I don't think I would have any objection to the existance of good training and licensing programs to enable one to carry a concealed firearm ("good" being an important concept, which I shall not even bother to attempt defining further at this time :) though I can't say I would feel any _desire_ to carry a concealed firearm in the part of the UK where I live at present. But if I lived some part of the world with a much higher risk of violent crime, I would probably have a different desire. A concealed firearm, after all, isn't meant to keep the populace safe _per se_ -- it's meant to keep _me_ safe by virtue giving me the power to gravely endanger specific segments of the populace as I deem necessary ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET Wed Nov 22 23:35:01 2006 From: wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:35:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC @ The College of Staten Island, Staten Island NY, November 18 2006 Message-ID: BOC @ The College of Staten Island, Staten Island NY, November 18 2006 Only four members of the band were on stage but that didn't stop them making a lot of noise or having a good time. After the first song Eric announced that Allen was ill, but that didn?t stop new members Jules Radino on drums and local boy Richie Castellano on bass really showing themselves to fit well with the Eric and Buck and the band's music. Castellano in particular was astounding; playing a 5-string bass he's equally impressive with a pick or fingers. He plays chords, he plays funky pops and slaps, he beats on the body of the guitar, he fingertaps, he plays harmonics (!) and he also sings. Radino drives it all along with a kit of sensible size that he makes sound far bigger than it actually is. Richie's father opened the proceedings and Eric gave a number of shout-outs for Castellano's House of Music during the show. Part-way through the set Eric introduced a friend of Richie's named Andy Ascolese to do keyboard duties; Eric said this guy had never played with them before so it would be interesting to see how it went but he handled his part very well and was even given a guitar during a couple of songs, so they were able to do a 4-man guitar jam during the encore. Buck played a long melodic mostly-solo piece (Jules and Richie dropped in for a short while towards the end) just before the band launched into Reaper; this was my first BOC concert so I don't know if this is something he usually does. It's not anything I?ve heard on any of the official live releases. Setlist: The Red and the Black OD'd On Life Itself Burnin' For You (Buck vocal) This Ain't the Summer of Love Shooting Shark (Buck vocal; Eric keys - he took off his glasses while he was setting up the music sheets!) Harvester of Eyes Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (Eric played his "Cities on Flame" guitar [ http://www.ericbloom.net/images/Guitars/cities_lg.jpg ]) Black Blade (Andy keys) Then Came the Last Days of May (Buck vocal; Andy guitar) Godzilla (with bass and drum solos) [long Buck solo] (Don't Fear) The Reaper (Buck vocal) Encore: Hot Rails to Hell (Richie vocal; Andy keys and guitar) From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 23 05:21:52 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:21:52 -0000 Subject: BOC @ The College of Staten Island, Staten Island NY, November 18 2006 In-Reply-To: <753843214.20061122233501@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: There's a live CD in circulation of a radio show BOC did in 2003 (Anaheim Feb 03, I think). Anyway, the mid song announcer refers to Buck's pre-Reaper doodling as "Buck's Boogie" whereas it is normally referred to as "Reaper Intro". I have seen BOC a bunch of times over the last four or five years (nothing before that till 1985!) and that "doodling" has evolved into a thing of beauty. And the excitement it causes as most of the fans know what's coming next. Another positive not about the new BOC is that I now look forward to the drum and bass solos during 'Zilla. I can honestly say I have never felt that way before... Get well soon Allen Lanier. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Warrick Bell Sent: 23 November 2006 04:35 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: BOC @ The College of Staten Island, Staten Island NY, November 18 2006 BOC @ The College of Staten Island, Staten Island NY, November 18 2006 Only four members of the band were on stage but that didn't stop them making a lot of noise or having a good time. After the first song Eric announced that Allen was ill, but that didn?t stop new members Jules Radino on drums and local boy Richie Castellano on bass really showing themselves to fit well with the Eric and Buck and the band's music. Castellano in particular was astounding; playing a 5-string bass he's equally impressive with a pick or fingers. He plays chords, he plays funky pops and slaps, he beats on the body of the guitar, he fingertaps, he plays harmonics (!) and he also sings. Radino drives it all along with a kit of sensible size that he makes sound far bigger than it actually is. Richie's father opened the proceedings and Eric gave a number of shout-outs for Castellano's House of Music during the show. Part-way through the set Eric introduced a friend of Richie's named Andy Ascolese to do keyboard duties; Eric said this guy had never played with them before so it would be interesting to see how it went but he handled his part very well and was even given a guitar during a couple of songs, so they were able to do a 4-man guitar jam during the encore. Buck played a long melodic mostly-solo piece (Jules and Richie dropped in for a short while towards the end) just before the band launched into Reaper; this was my first BOC concert so I don't know if this is something he usually does. It's not anything I?ve heard on any of the official live releases. Setlist: The Red and the Black OD'd On Life Itself Burnin' For You (Buck vocal) This Ain't the Summer of Love Shooting Shark (Buck vocal; Eric keys - he took off his glasses while he was setting up the music sheets!) Harvester of Eyes Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (Eric played his "Cities on Flame" guitar [ http://www.ericbloom.net/images/Guitars/cities_lg.jpg ]) Black Blade (Andy keys) Then Came the Last Days of May (Buck vocal; Andy guitar) Godzilla (with bass and drum solos) [long Buck solo] (Don't Fear) The Reaper (Buck vocal) Encore: Hot Rails to Hell (Richie vocal; Andy keys and guitar) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 24 12:43:14 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:43:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: guns debate In-Reply-To: <456429D8.3020403@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:43:36AM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > On 21/11/2006 23:58, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >But I consider > >myself an experienced firearms user, and I wouldn't like to say that the > >populace would be safer if I carried a concealed pistol. The thought of > >people, even people with the best of intentions, without that experience > >doing so makes me decidedly uncomfortable. > > I don't think I would have any objection to the existance of good > training and licensing programs to enable one to carry a concealed > firearm ("good" being an important concept, which I shall not even > bother to attempt defining further at this time :) though I can't say I > would feel any _desire_ to carry a concealed firearm in the part of the > UK where I live at present. But if I lived some part of the world with > a much higher risk of violent crime, I would probably have a different > desire. A concealed firearm, after all, isn't meant to keep the > populace safe _per se_ -- it's meant to keep _me_ safe by virtue giving > me the power to gravely endanger specific segments of the populace as I > deem necessary ;) I see what you mean, but as long as we're talking about concealed weapons in the UK, the first hurdle any such programme would have to clear is that of *not* decreasing the safety of the general population, however much safer the individual user might feel. And maybe I'm just conscious how many bad judgements I make while cycling every day, but I don't think *I'd* make the world any safer despite my training if I had a loaded firearm on me, let alone what someone with less would be capable of getting wrong. So I doubt we shall see much change on this front, especially with the fluffy safety-consciousness of the current British government. Yours, Jon ObCD: Kingdom Come - _Kingdom Come_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Nov 24 15:29:41 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:29:41 -0500 Subject: New Dark Sun and Oresund Space Collective FINALLY in stock! Message-ID: Hello all, Sorry for the purely marketing email but I've had a load of people waiting on the new Oresund Space Collective and Dark Sun CDs. And I've FINALLY got them!! So head on over to the store at: http://www.aural-innovations.com/store or drop me an email if you have questions. Here's what just arrived: Dark Sun - Astral Visions II (2006) (2-CDR) Wow, this is very different from the freeform jams that characterized Astral Visions I. Volume II consists of soundboard and audience recordings from 2000 - 2005. We've got live versions of songs from their amazing debut album, Feed Your Mind, unreleased tracks, and killer covers of Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, Chrome and Magic Mushroom Band songs. This is a limited edition print run of 150 copies. This... is... SPACE ROCK!!! Oresund Space Collective - It's All About Delay (2006) (2-CD) OSC are a Danish-Swedish all improvizational, all instrumental space rocking MACHINE! Their latest is a 2-CD set. As great as the debut was, the new album features a band that is clearly tighter and more in tune with each other, as many of these improvised tunes have a definite composed feel, and there are tracks that ROCK much harder than anything heard on the first album. Total Space Rock, but with a Progressive feel, this will easily make my best of 2006 list. The tracks range in length from 5 - 25 minutes, so you know these guys are really stretching out. And the 2-CDs come housed in a DVD styled package with beautiful artwork by Ed Unitsky. Don't miss this one! Oresund Space Collective - s/t (2006) (CD) BACK IN STOCK!! Oresund Space Collective are a somewhat fluid collective of Danish and Swedish musicians from such bands as Mantric Muse, Gas Giant, Bland Bladen, Carpet Knights and Sgt Sunshine. All improvised and all instrumental, these guys are the ultimate cosmic jam band. The CD is a limited edition of 500 handnumbered copies. Spaaaaaace!!! Magnolia - s/t (2006) (CD) Heavy 70's inspired progressive blues rock from Sweden. Guitar/bass/drums driven with some keyboards, Magnolia take their cue from Cream, Novmber, West Bruce & Lang, but also inject a psychedelic vibe into many of the songs (their name comes from the Blue Cheer song, "Magnolia Caboze Babyfinger".) The songs aren't long but the band still manage to include absolutely killer jams segments. Hot stuff! Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock Mail Order, E-Zine & Radio Aural-Innovations.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 25 06:52:05 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:52:05 -0500 Subject: Looking for Neil Whitehead Message-ID: Sorry to bother the list, but I got a mail return from the address I'd been communicating with Neil at and was hoping either he is here or someone can put me in touch with him. THANKS Jerry From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 26 07:15:55 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:15:55 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Alchemical Radio and Electronic Cottage Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com NOVEMBER 26, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from The Best of Alchemical Radio (Volume 2), and The Electronic Cottage (show #23). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Best of Alchemical Radio Volume 2 Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Progressive Rock, Psychedelia and much much more. Mike Forse - All We Create The Lucky Bishops - Space 1949 Don Campau - I Know A Guy Transatlantic - Mystery Train The Bevis Frond - The Frond Cheer / Leave A Light On Tom Rapp - Space The Gathering - Red Is A Slow Colour Kraut Experience - Space March Ernie Rissman - Carpet Of Gold Blood Red Flower - Stand Inside Your Mind Das Zeichen - Bah-Bouh-Re Nexus - Magic City Paradox - Cyclamen The Electronic Cottage (show #23) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Dan Pound - "Spectrum" (from Solar Nexus) Verde - "Lighthouse Triode" (from Legenda) Didymos - "Agonylog" (from Grief Distance) Frozen Plastic - "A Combinating Form Receiver" (from The Headphone Macroscope) Surface 10 - "Days Of Lovely Statistics" (from Surface Tensions) Taba Goog Music - "Psychedelic Alien" (from Born Loser) Tom Furgas & Eric Wallack - "Fontana Groove" (from re:Visions) Hashtronaut - "Bottle Universe" (excerpt) (from Bottle Universe) Dark Energy - "Caldero del Diablo" (from Interstellar Pianos) Dwight Ashley - "Withdraw of the Many" (from Ataxia) Alien Tape - "Planet Rise Over" (from Alien Tape) http://Aural-Innovations.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 25 22:44:04 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:44:04 +0000 Subject: HW: trade??? Message-ID: Hawkwind - s/t (CD; Reportoire label, (1970)) (USED) Hawkwind Have: Hawkwind - s/t (CD; Reportoire label, (1970)) (USED) Hawkwind - Utopia 1984 (Mausoleum LP EX) Hawkwind - Area S1 (12" MAXI EX) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 5 (CD; Eternity's Jest 1999) (NEW) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 7 (CD; Eternity's Jest 2001) (SEALED NEW) Quarkspace & Matt Howarth - Node In Peril (tasty CD digipak with comic book by legend Matt Howarth! Eternity's Jest 1994) (SEALED NEW) Church Of Hed (CD; Quarkspace solo project; Eternity's Jest 2002) (SEALED NEW) Dream Theatre - Metropolis II: Scenes Of A Memory (USED) Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear (EMI remaster, new CD) Jefferson Airplane - Crown Of Creation (remaster + bonus tracks) (CD SEALED NEW) Looking for: Alan Davey - Captured Rotation on CD or LP Nik Turner - Xitintoday CD (NIKT) Hawkwind - 1997 (fan club CD) Hawkwind - Distant Horizons (CD or LP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD digipak) Need to rebuild my old stuff!... Christian ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Nov 25 23:04:45 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:04:45 +0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: trade??? Message-ID: btw :) PS Also lookin The Quarkspace is from 2004 not 1994! btw :) PS Also looking for "Hitlers Marches" on vinyl.... !!! Christian (THE WHO) ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Cc: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 26 November, 2006 4:44:04 AM Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: trade??? Have: Hawkwind - s/t (CD; Reportoire label, (1970)) (USED) Hawkwind - Utopia 1984 (Mausoleum LP EX) Hawkwind - Area S1 (12" MAXI EX) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 5 (CD; Eternity's Jest 1999) (NEW) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 7 (CD; Eternity's Jest 2001) (SEALED NEW) Quarkspace & Matt Howarth - Node In Peril (tasty CD digipak with comic book by legend Matt Howarth! Eternity's Jest 1994) (SEALED NEW) Church Of Hed (CD; Quarkspace solo project; Eternity's Jest 2002) (SEALED NEW) Dream Theatre - Metropolis II: Scenes Of A Memory (USED) Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear (EMI remaster, new CD) Jefferson Airplane - Crown Of Creation (remaster + bonus tracks) (CD SEALED NEW) Looking for: Alan Davey - Captured Rotation on CD or LP Nik Turner - Xitintoday CD (NIKT) Hawkwind - 1997 (fan club CD) Hawkwind - Distant Horizons (CD or LP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD digipak) Need to rebuild my old stuff!... Christian Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? 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Eternity's Jest 1994) (SEALED NEW) Church Of Hed (CD; Quarkspace solo project; Eternity's Jest 2002) (SEALED NEW) Dream Theatre - Metropolis II: Scenes Of A Memory (USED) Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear (EMI remaster, new CD) Jefferson Airplane - Crown Of Creation (remaster + bonus tracks) (CD SEALED NEW) Looking for: Alan Davey - Captured Rotation on CD or LP Nik Turner - Xitintoday CD (NIKT) Hawkwind - 1997 (fan club CD) Hawkwind - Distant Horizons (CD or LP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD digipak) Need to rebuild my old stuff!... Christian ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Nov 26 15:17:29 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:17:29 +0000 Subject: trade??? Message-ID: *POF* Chris Well I just assumed... CD is fine :-) Preferred in fact! *POF* Christian "apocalypse wizard technology" ----- Original Message ---- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sunday, 26 November, 2006 8:50:25 PM Subject: Re: trade??? Captured Rotation and Disant Horizons doesn't excist on LP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:44 AM Subject: HW: trade??? Hawkwind - s/t (CD; Reportoire label, (1970)) (USED) Hawkwind Have: Hawkwind - s/t (CD; Reportoire label, (1970)) (USED) Hawkwind - Utopia 1984 (Mausoleum LP EX) Hawkwind - Area S1 (12" MAXI EX) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 5 (CD; Eternity's Jest 1999) (NEW) Quarkspace - Spacefolds 7 (CD; Eternity's Jest 2001) (SEALED NEW) Quarkspace & Matt Howarth - Node In Peril (tasty CD digipak with comic book by legend Matt Howarth! Eternity's Jest 1994) (SEALED NEW) Church Of Hed (CD; Quarkspace solo project; Eternity's Jest 2002) (SEALED NEW) Dream Theatre - Metropolis II: Scenes Of A Memory (USED) Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear (EMI remaster, new CD) Jefferson Airplane - Crown Of Creation (remaster + bonus tracks) (CD SEALED NEW) Looking for: Alan Davey - Captured Rotation on CD or LP Nik Turner - Xitintoday CD (NIKT) Hawkwind - 1997 (fan club CD) Hawkwind - Distant Horizons (CD or LP) Hawkwind - Love In Space (2CD digipak) Need to rebuild my old stuff!... Christian ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Nov 27 11:05:37 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:05:37 +0100 Subject: Infinity Message-ID: Hi there Here is a selection of great pics from outer space http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/ Hope you like it Bernhard From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Nov 27 11:37:44 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:44 -0700 Subject: Infinity In-Reply-To: <1GoizD-25tPLk0@fwd29.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Oh wow... those are beautiful... Thank you so much for sharing those my friend!!!!! Love IT!!!! Deborah www.myspace.com/myst11 bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Hi there > > Here is a selection of great pics from outer space > > > > http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/ > > > > > > Hope you like it > > > > Bernhard > > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Nov 27 13:17:59 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:17:59 -0000 Subject: Infinity Message-ID: A beautiful site - well discovered. Thank you! jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Infinity > Hi there > > Here is a selection of great pics from outer space > > > > http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/ > > > > > > Hope you like it > > > > Bernhard > > > From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Nov 27 17:12:53 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:12:53 -0500 Subject: Calvert and Turner re-releases coming Message-ID: http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0068.htm http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0067.htm -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Nov 27 18:23:46 2006 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Ulf Hamr) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:23:46 -0800 Subject: Calvert and Turner re-releases coming Message-ID: Hi David, What country is this place in? I missed the cd release of Sphynx the last time. One of Nik's best works, in my opinion. Cheers Stephe > http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0068.htm > http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0067.htm > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. > I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, > I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, > all the light you see, all the air you breathe." > Light and Space - THRESHOLD From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 27 17:49:31 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:49:31 +0000 Subject: The Australian Hawklords (FWD: Re: Re: DO NOT PANIC) Message-ID: Does anyone know if this is the same AUSTRALIAN HAWKLORDS? Drummer SHAM? Ca. 1990? Ring a bell? Know someone who knows... C.B. low... Christian Goldfinger a.k.a. Dr. Know & The Man With The Golden Dawn ----- Original Message ---- From: Amphetamine Embalmer To: ********************************** Sent: Monday, 27 November, 2006 11:37:51 PM Subject: Re: Re: DO NOT PANIC HAWKLORDS was an offshoot of HAWKWIND 1977-78, but there was an Australian Hawkwind covers band ca. early 90s/late 80s yeah, they did Hawkwind numbers like "Neon Skyline" etc. They were called The Australian Hawklords :-) WUMPSCUT and PRESSUREHED are two incredible industrial/darkwave bands... I am a big fan of the latter and soon to be of the former... I usually just stick to CANNABIS (my 1st inhalation of HASH was excactly 20 years ago... been smokin' since 1986)... Norwegian words for hash: TJALL, BEIS, B?NNE, REV, GALL, GALLAR, HASJ... etc. All drugs belong to ANARCHY and PASSING TEST POINTS IS CRUCIAL to be an INITIATE.... The only good immigrant is one who GETS EMPLOYED AND PAYS HIS TAX, or one who can cook you a meal for some money, and say "thank you sir/madam"... I mostly enjoy INDIAN FOOD , SPANISH FOOD, and COUS COUS and SHISHKEBAB... but I am a MANLY MEAT EATER but enjoy VEGAN food cause GIRLS LIKE VEGETABLES... and men who EAT THEM :) STAY WILD! Christian "GET A LIFE, old Christian!! Get away from that COMPUTER!!" ----- Original Message ---- From: ******************************************************* To: superskrull666 at yahoo.co.uk Sent: Monday, 27 November, 2006 8:34:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: DO NOT PANIC CHRISTIAN, NOW YOU'RE FREAKING ME OUT, HAWKLORDS? DID THEY RELEASE AN ALBUM? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT...LET ME TRY TO REMEMBER 1990? I KNOW THE DRUMMER "SHAM" ALSO FROM "NOTHING SACRED", DEPRESSION" AND "HOBBS ANGEL OF DEATH" IS THIS THE SAME? IF SO, YOU ARE TRULY INSANE FOR KNOWING ABOUT A BAND THAT ONLY ME AND ABOUT 2 OTHER PEOPLE ON THE PLANET WOULD REMEMBER! MAYBE IT'S SOMEONE ELSE...LET ME KNOW. THE BANDS YOU MENTIONED Wumpscut and Pressurehed I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF...I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON ANY MORE. MY MUSIC EDUCATING STOPPED WITH THE C.D. AND IT'S ALL TOO HARD TO GET STUFF HERE...ALTHOUGH THE INTERNET IS SO GOOD FOR BUYING STUFF...DON'T FORGET WE ARE AT THE ARSE END OF THE WORLD. WE USED TO HAVE TO ORDER SLAYER RECORDS AND THEY WOULD TAKE MONTHS TO ARRIVE! MMMMM. CODEINE I DON'T HAVE A FISH OR A CAT... I HAVE CHICKENS. OUR COUNTRY IS ALSO FULL OF IMMIGRANTS - THANK FUCK, OR I WOULD STILL BE EATING BOILED POTATOES AND PEAS. Stop the Forest Service from killing more wolves, bears, cougars, and other animals in the wild: http://go.care2.com/99055 http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps nonprofits. Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Nov 27 21:09:53 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:09:53 +0000 Subject: HW: old and depressed pirate chaos eye closes for tonight Message-ID: I had saved my ticket to Hawkwind Oslo 1991 for ten years... when I wasn't allowed to keep it anymore, on command I burned it, and laughed at the crackly radio voices in my head... bastards lyin to me... bein lied to... ten years after.... and I also tore up the hawkwind/screaming lord sutch tee shirt I bought at the show... didn't hear no grown man cryin like that, no man cryin at all... depressed.... Christian Legend INRIT Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 06:32:25 2006 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:32:25 -0000 Subject: HW:Lost Johnny by the deviants Message-ID: Get a 25 second blast at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Your-Knees-Earthlings-Mick-Farren/dp/B00005O6NZ/ sr=8-11/qid=1164713392/ref=sr_1_11/203-7094082-5489522?ie=UTF8&s=music and at least 15 of those seconds are too many. mike Talking Water ? 16th Nov 2006 at BRE, Watford This one day conference on water efficiency and human consumption will examine the use of water and what can be done to create less wasteful habits. Low Carbon Technology Briefings ? Various dates, Nov 2006 to March 2007 at BRE, Watford A series of briefings on the benefits of low carbon technologies, designed to give a general overview of the technologies supported by the Low Carbon Buildings Programme. 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BRE Trust, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales, and registered as a charity (No 1092193). Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Nov 28 10:42:48 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:42:48 -0500 Subject: Calvert and Turner re-releases coming In-Reply-To: <23690028.1164669826492.JavaMail.root@web25> Message-ID: Quoting Ulf Hamr : > Hi David, What country is this place in? I missed the cd release of Sphynx > the last time. One of Nik's best works, in my opinion. Judging by the fact that the prices are quoted in pounds, I'd say the UK is a god bet. ;-) In fact: http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0005.htm -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 28 11:33:32 2006 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:33:32 -0000 Subject: inner city unit myspace Message-ID: yup - it's up - we're back http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Nov 28 18:41:32 2006 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:41:32 -0600 Subject: Calvert and Turner re-releases coming In-Reply-To: <20061128104248.vot4c04cckgos48k@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Yep It's UK. I have one of the 'Eclecetic Discs' High Tide reissues and was very happy with that. I contacted them directly to check whether the bonus track on 'Xitintoday' was the bonus flute piece Cleopatra had on their 1990s re-recording of the album, and they confirmed it's a totally different piece. I also asked them whether 'Lucky L**f and the Longships' would have the original version of 'Making of Midgard' and not the alternate mix on the BGO CD, and they're also saying yes. Very friendly people :-) Replied promptly too... Richard David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Ulf Hamr : > > >> Hi David, What country is this place in? I missed the cd release of Sphynx >> the last time. One of Nik's best works, in my opinion. >> > > Judging by the fact that the prices are quoted in pounds, I'd say the UK is a > god bet. ;-) In fact: > > http://www.eclecticdiscs.com/index_files/page0005.htm > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. > I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, > I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, > all the light you see, all the air you breathe." > Light and Space - THRESHOLD > > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 29 16:44:51 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:44:51 -0800 Subject: OFF: ColourHaze tour (EU) In-Reply-To: <20061126034408.38639.qmail@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just a note that the very cool, stoner rock/heavy psychedelic band Colour Haze from Munich are touring around starting tomorrow, including a couple dates in the UK. I would very much recommend them for any fan of the heavier side of things...they sound quite a bit like Los Natas if you've heard them. Plus, they're very nice guys. In semi-related news, the Belgian band Hypnos 69 is no more, despite their newest CD just coming out on ColourHaze's Elektrohasch label. Bummer...they were a cool band as well. Ciao...Grakkl Colour Haze December - Europe Tour: Thu. 30.11. ? CH, Z?rich, Dynamo Werk 21 Fr. 1.12. ? CH ? 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Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 29 16:53:49 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:53:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper Message-ID: Dear all, the weekend before Motorhead recently played Cambridge, the local free weekly carried an article about the gig with a brief interview with the man himself in it. I put it aside to transcribe for the list, but unfortunately in a rather hazy patch yesterday I recycled the thing. It was only short, but I do remember being struck by the interviewer asking him whether he got fed up of being recognised, and Lemmy replying along the lines of, "No, I like being famous. Some people can't handle being famous but I've been famous a long time now, I can deal with it. I can't really remember what it's like not to be. I mean, I know intellectually that there was a time when I wasn't in Motorhead, but I can't remember what it felt like." Few people combine down-to-earth straightforwardness and ego like Lemmy :-) I did have a dig around the paper's website for the article, but it turns that the article didn't run in the main paper, only the free one, and that the free one isn't put online. However, while searching, I did find this article on the man, partly, which just shows terrible errors of taste... http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/11/17/e2127bfc-3f67-4547-b98f-170ade42235b.lpf Yours, Jon ObCassette: Pink Floyd - _Piper at the Gates of Dawn_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 29 17:35:41 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:35:41 -0800 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper In-Reply-To: <20061129215348.GB2548@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Jon notes... http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/11/17/e2127bfc-3f67-4547-b98f-170ade42235b.lpf Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." Seriously. 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? Grakkl --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 15:32:50 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:32:50 +0000 Subject: inner city unit myspace Message-ID: I thought the "Now You Know The Score!" 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Christian (Who hasn't Trev sent that radio show where I played tracks from the aforementioned CD versions like I promised, but soon! ) NP: Hawkwind - Levitation ----- Original Message ---- From: trev To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Tuesday, 28 November, 2006 5:33:32 PM Subject: inner city unit myspace yup - it's up - we're back http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 29 18:03:23 2006 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:03:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper In-Reply-To: <37024.23718.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You cannot be Serious! I enjoy listening to All Mod Cons, have it on vinyl and CD, good version of "David Watts" done originally by The Kinks? and Setting Sons aint bad either, certainly not rubbish, have a listen cheers Roger Keith Henderson wrote: > Jon notes... > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/11/17/e2127bfc-3f67-4547-b98f-170ade42235b.lpf > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > Seriously. > > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? > > Grakkl > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > From tim at KALYR.COM Wed Nov 29 18:19:07 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:19:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper In-Reply-To: <37024.23718.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? Today's mainstream music scene would be rather better if Lemmy had a rather greater influence, and the much overrated Paul Weller had rather less. Just about every overhyped new band sounds like a dodgy Jam tribute band. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 18:14:35 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:14:35 EST Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper Message-ID: Rather :-) Steve. In a message dated 11/29/2006 23:09:35 GMT Standard Time, tim at KALYR.COM writes: Today's mainstream music scene would be rather better if Lemmy had a rather greater influence, and the much overrated Paul Weller had rather less. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu Nov 30 05:29:09 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:29:09 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Hmmm... Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. The best of The Jam stands up well against anything else of its era, and as for the current crop of guitar bands, more of them sound like XTC wannabes or bad Joy Division copyists than sound like Jam tribute acts. There are plenty of Lemmy afficionados out there too. If you're going to kvetch about dreck, just consider the vile trash that's being squeezed out of Cowell's & Walsh's toothpaste tubes - they make the old SAW stable look like great artists! Cheers ChrisW (stumbling off back into the swamp, mumbling...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:03:23 +0000 From: Roger Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper You cannot be Serious! I enjoy listening to All Mod Cons, have it on vinyl and CD, good version of "David Watts" done originally by The Kinks? and Setting Sons aint bad either, certainly not rubbish, have a listen cheers Roger Keith Henderson wrote: > Jon notes... > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/11/17/e2127bfc-3f67-4547-b98f-170ade42235b.lpf > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > Seriously. > > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? > > Grakkl > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:19:07 +0000 From: Tim Hall Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper Keith Henderson wrote: > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? Today's mainstream music scene would be rather better if Lemmy had a rather greater influence, and the much overrated Paul Weller had rather less. Just about every overhyped new band sounds like a dodgy Jam tribute band. ------------------------------ This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). 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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Nov 30 05:28:47 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:28:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper In-Reply-To: <456E156B.4030202@kalyr.com> Message-ID: Well, I won't bother forwarding that to a friend I have who's a huge Paul Weller nut! ;) But he also likes the Levellers, so it's all right really, I suppose :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Nov 30 06:12:00 2006 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Ulf Hamr) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:12:00 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Agreed, The Jam, were probably one of the best bands to come out of that era, to call them rubbish, is almost as daft as saying the Beatles sucked. Cheers Stephe > Hmmm... > Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. The best of The Jam stands up well against anything else of its era, and as for the current crop of guitar bands, more of them sound like XTC wannabes or bad Joy Division copyists than sound like Jam tribute acts. There are plenty of Lemmy afficionados out there too. If you're going to kvetch about dreck, just consider the vile trash that's being squeezed out of Cowell's & Walsh's toothpaste tubes - they make the old SAW stable look like great artists! > > Cheers > ChrisW > (stumbling off back into the swamp, mumbling...) > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:03:23 +0000 > From: Roger > Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper > > You cannot be Serious! > I enjoy listening to All Mod Cons, have it on vinyl and CD, good version > of "David Watts" done originally by The Kinks? > and Setting Sons aint bad either, certainly not rubbish, have a listen > > cheers > Roger > > Keith Henderson wrote: > > Jon notes... > > > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/11/17/e2127bfc-3f67-4547-b98f-170ade42235b.lpf > > > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > > > Seriously. > > > > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? > > > > Grakkl > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:19:07 +0000 > From: Tim Hall > Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy in Cambridge newspaper > > Keith Henderson wrote: > > > 80's new wave rubbish, I gather? > > Today's mainstream music scene would be rather better if Lemmy had a > rather greater influence, and the much overrated Paul Weller had rather > less. > > Just about every overhyped new band sounds like a dodgy Jam tribute band. > > ------------------------------ > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact OAG Worldwide Limited on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). > While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Limited and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments do not contain any viruses or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Neither OAG Worldwide Limited nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. > OAG Worldwide Limited may monitor or record outgoing and incoming e-mail to secure effective system operation and for other lawful purposes. By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. > Thank you. > OAG Worldwide Limited is a company registered in England and Wales (registered number 4226716), with its registered office at Church Street, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, LU5 4HB, United Kingdom. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Nov 30 06:19:43 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:19:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <30166574.1164885120333.JavaMail.root@web24> Message-ID: The bizarre thing in that online comparison was that Lemmy seems to have lost points for being revealed as not a sensitive New Age guy in the lyrics to "Jailbait", but then appeared to gain points for sleeping with thousands of women. Go figure! Cheers, Carl, who has a kind of intellectual respect for the Jam's achievements, though their musical appeal never really crossed the Atlantic to him. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu Nov 30 09:12:19 2006 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:12:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Just listen to "Going Underground" by The Jam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy > The bizarre thing in that online comparison was that Lemmy seems to have > lost points for being revealed as not a sensitive New Age guy in the > lyrics to "Jailbait", but then appeared to gain points for sleeping with > thousands of women. Go figure! > > Cheers, > Carl, who has a kind of intellectual respect for the Jam's achievements, > though their musical appeal never really crossed the Atlantic to him. > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Nov 30 10:11:55 2006 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:11:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0317A1@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:29:09AM -0000, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > Hmmm... > > Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out > of hand is just crass. The best of The Jam stands up > well against anything else of its era, and as for the > current crop of guitar bands, more of them sound like > XTC wannabes or bad Joy Division copyists than sound > like Jam tribute acts. I agree that dismissing The Jam's work out of hand is just ridiculous, but I think the original poster was right - a lot of bands these days do sound like they've got their nose up Paul Weller's ass. As for Joy Division, the only JD influenced track I've heard in years was Moby's Extreme Ways. Steve From tim at KALYR.COM Thu Nov 30 13:29:53 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:29:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061130151155.GA21784@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: >>Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out >>of hand is just crass. The best of The Jam stands up >>well against anything else of its era, and as for the >>current crop of guitar bands, more of them sound like >>XTC wannabes or bad Joy Division copyists than sound >>like Jam tribute acts. XTC are another one of those critic-friendly bands that I've never really 'got'. But as a fan of old-school prog rock and metal, I've never liked cared for most of the 80s new-wave scene, much of which sounds rather musically shallow to my ears. (I'm on this list as a BOC fan rather than an HW fan) > I agree that dismissing The Jam's work out of hand is > just ridiculous, but I think the original poster was > right - a lot of bands these days do sound like they've > got their nose up Paul Weller's ass. I never intended to dismiss The Jam out of hand; I do think consider Paul Weller overrated, especially his rather dull recent solo stuff, which seems to be treated with a reverence it doesn't really deserve. IMO, The Jam were were more of a 'lyrics' band than a 'music' band; tune out Weller's lyrics and a lot of their hits start sounding very, very samey. OTOH, you *could* say the same about Lemmy ;) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Nov 30 13:29:04 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:29:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <456F2321.4020705@kalyr.com> Message-ID: Quoting Tim Hall : > Stephen Swann wrote: > > >>Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out > >>of hand is just crass. The best of The Jam stands up > >>well against anything else of its era, and as for the > >>current crop of guitar bands, more of them sound like > >>XTC wannabes or bad Joy Division copyists than sound > >>like Jam tribute acts. > > XTC are another one of those critic-friendly bands that I've never > really 'got'. But as a fan of old-school prog rock and metal, I've never > liked cared for most of the 80s new-wave scene, much of which sounds > rather musically shallow to my ears. (I'm on this list as a BOC fan > rather than an HW fan) You definitely have to "pick your battles" with XTC. Chips from the Chocolate Fireball released under the fake group name of the Dukes of Stratosphere is a really good psych-rock album. Prog fans might like Apple Venus Volume 1; some really nice string-laden pop on it; there are other prog-friendly ones as well. But some of their stuff definitely suffers from over-silliness IMO. There is a decent amount of good 80's new-wave stuff that was definitely prog-influenced, but there was a lot of utter crap as well. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Nov 30 13:43:40 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061130132904.ppmo080owg00gsw0@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Quoting David Kuznick : > Chips from the Chocolate > Fireball released under the fake group name of the Dukes of Stratosphere is a > really good psych-rock album. I meant to say psych-pop, ala early Pink Floyd. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Nov 30 14:27:22 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:27:22 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest 2007 convergence...can't wait!!! Message-ID: Hi all, Mike Burro here of Sloterdijk & The One Eyed Bishops..Just wanted to drop a note to the list to say how much I'm looking forward to this Hawkfest. 2006 was a tough year for me, wot with my divorce and all, so I'm looking to fly to the Hawkfest solo this time round, and hope to catch up with many of you there...Cheers!!! Mike http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.oneeyedbishops.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Nov 30 15:41:19 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:41:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061130134340.km0j40o444oscsco@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 30 Nov 2006, at 18:43, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting David Kuznick : >> Chips from the Chocolate >> Fireball released under the fake group name of the Dukes of >> Stratosphere is a >> really good psych-rock album. > > I meant to say psych-pop, ala early Pink Floyd. Yeah, the Dukes album is the XTC-related thing I kinda like. The other stuff I heard didn't much do it for me ..... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 30 19:39:26 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:39:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD0317A1@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: Chris (and others essentially) wrote... >Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. I'm not sure I was the one who was supposedly "dismissing" Weller like so, but I should note that I don't believe I can really "dismiss" somebody who I know absolutely nothing about. I was being serious...I have *never* heard of Paul Weller before. (Paul Westerberg, sure, but not this guy.) Apparently, he's about as famous in the US as cricket commentator (and Turkish historian) E.W. Swanton. If what I've read in Wikipedia is accurate. His other band, The Style Council, is a vaguely familiar name, but I'm certain I've never heard any of their music either. The Jam is 100% obscure to me. Most semi-popular bands I have at least come to recognize by name simply by spending half my life in record/CD stores over the years. (That will change in 5 years, when such stores cease to exist...but for now...) But anyway, from his look alone in the photo accompanying the article, it appeared to me he was some sort of new-waver guy. The Jam, though, seems to have started out in 1977 or thereabouts, which means that he predates New Wave by a few years, so I can't guess exactly what they sounded like. "Mod revivalist" or whatever they're called doesn't mean much to me, because I didn't even know there was any revival of "mod" culture, which itself was pretty much a British thing to start with. (I remember watching Quadrophenia in college and thinking this is all made up...there were never actual subcultures like this, were there?) Anyway, I get the impression even that Jam stuff might be fairly awful, if it were a throwback to early/mid 60s. Music starts to get interesting for me about 1967, *not* 1966 (OK, Tomorrow Never Knows, *maybe*), but *certainly* not 1965. There's a very sharp line, maybe June 21, 1967 or something. Until Pink Floyd, or Procol Harum's 1st, or Days of Future Passed, I'm simply not interested when it comes to popular forms of music. Period. > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." So, again, who the f*ck is he? Really?! :) I mean, nobody has really talked substantively about his music, either with these two old bands or solo work. I hate to clutter up the list with such terrible off-topic nonsense, but I'm really quite amazed that somebody so (apparently) famous and "influential" could still be a complete unknown to me. I have, after all, spent quite a lot of time in England myself over the past five years. And I know who E.W. Swanton was. :) Grakkl P.S. Just so it's clear, "80s new wave rubbish" is unnecessarily redundant, as there is no other kind of new wave. Somebody mentioned Joy Division as a point of reference for this discussion...about five years ago (?), I actually bought a compilation CD of this band (cheapie used, thankfully), based on some recommendations I had seen someplace (not here, I don't think...but who knows?). Anyway, I found it to be appallingly awful miserable dreck. The only worse ("rock") bands I have ever heard than Joy Division are Duran Duran and this German band from the same era called "Spliff," oddly enough. A compilation "Spliff" CD is, almost certainly, the very worst "rock" album I own on CD... well, FM's "Tonight" might also come close, although I might have lost that one (hopefully) somewhere along the line. I don't think I've ever managed to listen to any of these all the way through. God, 80s music was awful, wasn't it? I mean, the percussion sound of 80s engineering alone was bad enough to ruin one's day (even infiltrating the halls of one Rockfield Studios in Monmouth, Wales, much to the chagrin of this HW fan), let alone all the nasty keyboards and sappy vocals. Ugh. I'm not a Nirvana fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Thank God for Kurt Cobain!! Post-1989, we've never heard that sort of awful production ever again. For that alone, he's a saint. P.P.S. So, is The Jam/Paul Weller "80s" dreck, or not? 1977 is not the worst year to have been "born"...so it could go either way. I'm a fan of the Police and Talking Heads, after all. P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Nov 30 20:16:34 2006 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Ulf Hamr) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:16:34 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Hi Keith, Since I've met you and know you're an intelligent man. I think The Jam were one of the best bands ever. I know they are unknown in the USA. Here are some video links so you can get a taste. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqiMfPe6U7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD9rKUwwPUU&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEOIeYjhaY0&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGQC05_nSE&mode=related&search= I never liked Style council myself. Just not the same as the Jam. I'm not too familiar with Pauls solo work either. I won't dismiss it though, because the guy is talented. How can a look determine talent? I absolutely love Joy Division, but maybe its just a matter of taste. I don't like Prog, Procal harum etc... Doesn't mean its crap right? I won't say its dreck, just because its not for me. Folks like them, so they can't be complete crap right? Living in the UK has made my choice in music different than Americans. Just like most Americans aren't HW fans. Never cared much for Duran duran though. Oh well if you don't like the Jam, then thats fine too. Take care my friend, Stephe > > >Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. > > I'm not sure I was the one who was supposedly "dismissing" Weller like so, but I should note that I don't believe I can really "dismiss" somebody who I know absolutely nothing about. I was being serious...I have *never* heard of Paul Weller before. (Paul Westerberg, sure, but not this guy.) Apparently, he's about as famous in the US as cricket commentator (and Turkish historian) E.W. Swanton. If what I've read in Wikipedia is accurate. > > His other band, The Style Council, is a vaguely familiar name, but I'm certain I've never heard any of their music either. The Jam is 100% obscure to me. Most semi-popular bands I have at least come to recognize by name simply by spending half my life in record/CD stores over the years. (That will change in 5 years, when such stores cease to exist...but for now...) > > But anyway, from his look alone in the photo accompanying the article, it appeared to me he was some sort of new-waver guy. The Jam, though, seems to have started out in 1977 or thereabouts, which means that he predates New Wave by a few years, so I can't guess exactly what they sounded like. "Mod revivalist" or whatever they're called doesn't mean much to me, because I didn't even know there was any revival of "mod" culture, which itself was pretty much a British thing to start with. (I remember watching Quadrophenia in college and thinking this is all made up...there were never actual subcultures like this, were there?) Anyway, I get the impression even that Jam stuff might be fairly awful, if it were a throwback to early/mid 60s. Music starts to get interesting for me about 1967, *not* 1966 (OK, Tomorrow Never Knows, *maybe*), but *certainly* not 1965. There's a very sharp line, maybe June 21, 1967 or something. Until Pink Floyd, or Procol Harum's 1st, or Days of > Future Passed, I'm simply not interested when it comes to popular forms of music. Period. > > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > So, again, who the f*ck is he? Really?! :) > > I mean, nobody has really talked substantively about his music, either with these two old bands or solo work. I hate to clutter up the list with such terrible off-topic nonsense, but I'm really quite amazed that somebody so (apparently) famous and "influential" could still be a complete unknown to me. I have, after all, spent quite a lot of time in England myself over the past five years. And I know who E.W. Swanton was. :) > > Grakkl > > P.S. Just so it's clear, "80s new wave rubbish" is unnecessarily redundant, as there is no other kind of new wave. Somebody mentioned Joy Division as a point of reference for this discussion...about five years ago (?), I actually bought a compilation CD of this band (cheapie used, thankfully), based on some recommendations I had seen someplace (not here, I don't think...but who knows?). Anyway, I found it to be appallingly awful miserable dreck. The only worse ("rock") bands I have ever heard than Joy Division are Duran Duran and this German band from the same era called "Spliff," oddly enough. A compilation "Spliff" CD is, almost certainly, the very worst "rock" album I own on CD... well, FM's "Tonight" might also come close, although I might have lost that one (hopefully) somewhere along the line. I don't think I've ever managed to listen to any of these all the way through. God, 80s music was awful, wasn't it? I mean, the percussion sound of 80s engineering > alone was bad enough to ruin one's day (even infiltrating the halls of one Rockfield Studios in Monmouth, Wales, much to the chagrin of this HW fan), let alone all the nasty keyboards and sappy vocals. Ugh. I'm not a Nirvana fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Thank God for Kurt Cobain!! Post-1989, we've never heard that sort of awful production ever again. For that alone, he's a saint. > > P.P.S. So, is The Jam/Paul Weller "80s" dreck, or not? 1977 is not the worst year to have been "born"...so it could go either way. I'm a fan of the Police and Talking Heads, after all. > > P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.