From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 1 07:03:34 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:03:34 +0100 Subject: BOC: Guilfest Message-ID: are to headline the second stage on Sat 15th July at this years Guilfest - just outside Guildford in Surry (UK). It does not appear on BOC.com yet. Anyone any idea if they are doing any other UK shows? .......Charles the Grinning Boy. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 1 13:35:18 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:35:18 +0100 Subject: Guilfest Message-ID: No idea - but wouldn't it be good if they were to do the Eastern Haze festie the week after!!!!! Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Grant" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: BOC: Guilfest > are to headline the second stage on Sat 15th July at this years Guilfest - > just outside Guildford in Surry (UK). It does not appear on BOC.com yet. > Anyone any idea if they are doing any other UK shows? > > .......Charles the Grinning Boy. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 2 11:05:02 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:05:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Assassins of Silence + Hibachi Dealers: 6 May, Oxford UK Message-ID: Assassins of Silence & The Hibachi Dealers 06 May 2006 Doors 8.00 ?3 The Corner Room above The Pub Oxford, The Plain, 1 Iffley Road, Oxford, OX4 1EA Is this the first time that BOC-L members in two different bands have gigged together? Epoch making! Or, at the very least, an epocheclipse :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Tue May 2 16:47:07 2006 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:47:07 +0100 Subject: Guilfest In-Reply-To: <000a01c66d45$9d6f35c0$6401a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: I'm not sure all these dates are confirmed yet: Sat 15 Guildford, Guilfest Sun 16 Deal, Astor Theatre Mon 17 Bilston, The Robin Tue 18 Glasgow, The Renfrew Ferry Thu 20 Nottingham Fri 21 Newcastle, Carling Academy Sat 22 Manchester, University Sun 23 London Jas. > No idea - but wouldn't it be good if they were to do the Eastern Haze festie > the week after!!!!! > > Cheers, > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Grant" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:03 PM > Subject: BOC: Guilfest > > > > are to headline the second stage on Sat 15th July at this years Guilfest - > > just outside Guildford in Surry (UK). It does not appear on BOC.com yet. > > Anyone any idea if they are doing any other UK shows? > > > > .......Charles the Grinning Boy. > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 > > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri May 5 05:24:09 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:24:09 +0100 Subject: OFF:"Fear of Evil" by Princess Dragon Mom Message-ID: Has this one come up on anybody else's radar: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4791EDE4AAF7F20C78 53E56CBA161E606D063F58F196E495AD1A901499F0C72B15BE695C8AEFF6AB679AFF962A 1500FDBC0EA56ECAD1B&sql=10:idjn7i53g71r Transmaniacon Mc 14:59 Dominance and Submission 14:59 Harvester of Eyes 15:00 If He Thinks We're the Devil 14:59 And does anybody know where I can get it from (preferably in the UK)? Cheers ChrisW ObiPodTune: Evangeline by Mary Gauthier This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact OAG Worldwide Limited on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Limited and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments do not contain any viruses or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. 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This link specifically: http://www.timestereo.com/catalog.php?nice_day=CDR John Majka > Has this one come up on anybody else's radar: > > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4791EDE4AAF7F20C78 > 53E56CBA161E606D063F58F196E495AD1A901499F0C72B15BE695C8AEFF6AB679AFF962A > 1500FDBC0EA56ECAD1B&sql=10:idjn7i53g71r > > Transmaniacon Mc 14:59 > Dominance and Submission 14:59 > Harvester of Eyes 15:00 > If He Thinks We're the Devil 14:59 > > And does anybody know where I can get it from (preferably in the UK)? > > Cheers > ChrisW > ObiPodTune: Evangeline by Mary Gauthier > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any > attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They > may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other > than the intended recipient. 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Has anyone seen these guys live?? tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri May 5 13:29:31 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:29:31 -0400 Subject: Admin Message-ID: Ben, Ever since I changed my email address, I never get copies of posts that I send out, though I used to with my old address. Can you help?? thanks tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat May 6 09:18:26 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:18:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Assassins of Silence + Hibachi Dealers: Tonght! (Oxford UK) Message-ID: Assassins of Silence & The Hibachi Dealers 06 May 2006 Doors 8.00 ?3 The Corner Room above The Pub Oxford, The Plain, 1 Iffley Road, Oxford, OX4 1EA This venue is a new space -- and it'll be rocking :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 7 03:19:23 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 03:19:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Lo Finest Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MAY 7, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #150), and Lo Finest (show #5). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #150) The Other Window ? ?Beyond Science Fiction? (from The Other Window) Charles van de Kree ? ?The Red Green Glow of the Radar Scope? (from Phoenix Rising) Krom Lek ? ?Evolution? (from From Long Meg To Glastonbury Tor) Taipuva Luotisuora ? ?Koillispasaati? (from I) Black Moth Super Rainbow ? ?Flowers Grow Here? (from Lost, Picking Flowers in the Woods) Tungsten74 ? ?Fire Alarm? (from Binaurally Yours) Nukli ? ?Book of Changes? (from Return of the Festival Band) The Psychedelic Avengers ? ?A Little Gravitron Tells It?s Tale? (from The Psychedelic Avengers and the Decterian Blood Empire) John McBain ? ?Farewell Iron Age? (from The In-Flight Feature) Orbit Service ? ?Bruises? (from Songs of Eta Carinae) Glider ? ?Dreams Only Go So Far? (from One Day At A Time) Dark Syde ? ?UFOs R Time Machines? (from Mental Anguish Open Loops Vol. 5) Lo Finest show #5 (Compilation of Compilations) Lo Finest is a program dedicated to the appreciation of homemade recordings that were made and distributed on cassette tapes during the 1980s and 90s, hosted by veteran home recording artist Charles Rice Goff III. >From "Mirage" (Cause & Effect, 1986) Master/Slave Relationship - "Each Grain Of Sand" Controlled Bleeding - "A Shelled Earth" Psyclones - "Another Bridge" Zanoisect - "Fourbowding" Due Process - "Fragments Of Life" >From "Northern California Is A Noisy Place Indeed, Volume II" (Sound Of Pig, 1989) Katharsis - "Slow Down" Disism - "Sammy Hits The Bottle" 50 Hay 50 - "They Feed Themselves" Eric Muhs, Robert Hinrix, Johnny Calgagno, Charlie Rowan - "Untitled" >From "Project 23" (FDR, 1996) XV Parowek: "Now's The Time To Find Out If The Gorillas Can Fly" Mind Skelp: "Cher Of, Relating To, Or Functioning In Excretion" Wagstaff: "The Lion Of That Mouth" Crudsocket: "Sterio Jack" >From "Take Five Volume One" (Ecto, 1990?) 17 Collaborations On A Five Minute Soundpiece Skeletal Remains Minoy Keona Umberto http://Aural-Innovations.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon May 8 05:32:38 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:32:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Assassins of Silence + Hibachi Dealers: 6 May, Oxford UK In-Reply-To: <4457751E.90108@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Well, this was pretty good fun really :) I had a good time playing with the support of the Assassin's excellent stage backdrops and lights (and through Dave's bass amp :) The venue's stage was a bit cramped, but, eh, one soldiers on .... As for the Dealer's set, my feeling standing in the midst was the we more or less held together, with total trainwrecks occuring only at the end of one song, the middle of another (somehow, we stagger back together to finish it off) ... and I totally obviously flubbed the first note of a bass intro to another track (which I will cheaply blame on poor visibility -- I'm going to adopt Dave's idea of glowing stickers for the bass ;) More interesting to most BOC-L members, though, would have been the Assassin's set, which I thought (quite objectively) was excellent throughout and had several real standout moments. You'd never know they playing (what I think was) the first gig with a new drummer, as they ripped through everything with aplomb. I didn't jot up notes on the setlist or anything (that would have meant putting down my beer!) but it was pretty broad-ranging, taking it most eras of HW from oldest to newest. I was pleased to hear "Right to Decide", and thought the navigation of "Golden Void" (out of "Assault and Battery") was fantastic, with excellent instrumental work that really made you forget that you were standing in a pub venue -- you could have been long long ago in a galaxy far far away. "Moonglum" did a great job of reminding me how catchy that song is, despite the (honestly objectively inane!) lyrics. I'm not usually much one for bellowing along with the chorus at gigs in footbal chant stylee ;) but I couldn't help but piping up for lines like "Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana". I mean: that's just great :) There was a nice "Magnu", too, in which the guitarist worked in a little tease of "Hassan I Sabha", and I remember another brief tease of one song in another (possibly a bit of "Paranoia" in something else?) but can't remember. Anyway, it was good stuff! I don't think any UK Hawkwind fans would be disappointed by the Assassins: songs you love played by people who, obviously enough, love them. They've a bunch of Oxford-area gigs coming up through the summer, at least one further north, and then also the Nantymoel fest in Wales, so you've some hope of catching them! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 10 16:28:39 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:28:39 +0100 Subject: Guilfest Message-ID: I've secured my tickets for Guilfest and the Astoria (London). Is anyone else going? .......CtGB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Gool" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Guilfest > I'm not sure all these dates are confirmed yet: > > Sat 15 Guildford, Guilfest > Sun 16 Deal, Astor Theatre > Mon 17 Bilston, The Robin > Tue 18 Glasgow, The Renfrew Ferry > Thu 20 Nottingham > Fri 21 Newcastle, Carling Academy > Sat 22 Manchester, University > Sun 23 London > > Jas. > > >> No idea - but wouldn't it be good if they were to do the Eastern Haze >> festie >> the week after!!!!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Neil >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charlie Grant" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:03 PM >> Subject: BOC: Guilfest >> >> >> > are to headline the second stage on Sat 15th July at this years >> > Guilfest - >> > just outside Guildford in Surry (UK). It does not appear on BOC.com >> > yet. >> > Anyone any idea if they are doing any other UK shows? >> > >> > .......Charles the Grinning Boy. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: >> > 28/04/2006 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 >> >> From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu May 11 05:28:58 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:28:58 +0100 Subject: OFF:"Fear of Evil" by Princess Dragon Mom Message-ID: John Majka wrote: >Princess Dragon Mom is something you can find at http://www.timestereo.com >although it's now only available on CDR. This link specifically: >http://www.timestereo.com/catalog.php?nice_day=CDR Thanks John. This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). 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From spacehawklord at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 11 16:05:38 2006 From: spacehawklord at HOTMAIL.COM (hawk lord) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <445F1036.5060002@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, I'm pleased to post the following: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's the direct link to the on demand webcast: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 minutes of pure spacerock mayhem... Enjoy it! Greetz, Dutchwind _________________________________________________________________ Speel online games via MSN Messenger http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu May 11 16:50:15 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:50:15 EDT Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: In a message dated 05/11/2006 21:07:18 GMT Standard Time, spacehawklord at HOTMAIL.COM writes: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's the direct link to the on demand webcast: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 minutes of pure spacerock mayhem... Indeed it is!!! My thanks to all concerned for making this available. Steve. From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 12 04:55:06 2006 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:55:06 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: Fantastis stuff, thank you. Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? Eddie. From: hawk lord Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, >I'm pleased to post the following: > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's >the >direct link to the on demand webcast: > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 >minutes of >pure spacerock mayhem... > >Enjoy it! > >Greetz, >Dutchwind > >_________________________________________________________________ >Speel online games via MSN Messenger >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri May 12 05:12:22 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:12:22 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Record it using something like CD Wave or Soundforge and then burn it. eddie jobson wrote: Fantastis stuff, thank you. Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? Eddie. From: hawk lord Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, >I'm pleased to post the following: > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's >the >direct link to the on demand webcast: > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 >minutes of >pure spacerock mayhem... > >Enjoy it! > >Greetz, >Dutchwind > >_________________________________________________________________ >Speel online games via MSN Messenger >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri May 12 05:26:15 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:26:15 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years john-paul From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 12 05:34:59 2006 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:34:59 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <000a01c675a6$1e6934b0$af686b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Thank you I shall try it >From: john-paul >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:26:15 +0100 > >just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card >to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn >your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio >file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years >john-paul From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri May 12 05:36:05 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:36:05 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <20060512091222.97393.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/05/2006 10:12, Colin Allen wrote: > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? It would be cool if HW could make a deal to see full CD-quality downloads offered on livedownloads.com. A disc worth of FLAC'd audio is usually USD 10 or so -- well worth it for this recording! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri May 12 05:40:34 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:40:34 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they play? I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now BOC is something else, which is mostly why I am here....) Thanks Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of eddie jobson Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Fantastis stuff, thank you. Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? Eddie. From: hawk lord Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, >I'm pleased to post the following: > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's >the >direct link to the on demand webcast: > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 >minutes of >pure spacerock mayhem... > >Enjoy it! > >Greetz, >Dutchwind > >_________________________________________________________________ >Speel online games via MSN Messenger >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 05:48:34 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:48:34 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: john-paul's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 10:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: john-paul writes: > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your > audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record > on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and > you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and b> urn it. best > live hawkwind for years Hey john-paul: are you the guy I used to trade tapes with back in the early 90's? FoFP From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri May 12 07:05:58 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:05:58 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: hello mike, sure am my friend. hammy odeon they were the daze. how are you ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:48 AM > john-paul writes: > > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your > > audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record > > on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and > > you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and b> urn it. best > > live hawkwind for years > > Hey john-paul: are you the guy I used to trade tapes with back in the > early 90's? > > FoFP > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri May 12 07:09:12 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: track are ejection sword of the east greenback massacre 7 by 7 out here we are angela android love in space lord of light paradox spirit of the age psi power hassan i sahba best john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they play? > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now BOC is > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > Thanks > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of eddie jobson > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > demand > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? > > Eddie. > > > From: hawk lord > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > >the > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 > >minutes of > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > >Enjoy it! > > > >Greetz, > >Dutchwind > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 12 08:24:04 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:24:04 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <003601c675b4$805b7bc0$af686b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned good version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba cuts off halfway! >From: john-paul >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > >track are > >ejection >sword of the east >greenback massacre >7 by 7 >out here we are >angela android >love in space >lord of light >paradox >spirit of the age >psi power >hassan i sahba > >best john-paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they >play? > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now BOC >is > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >On > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > > demand > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good >quality? > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn >Festivals, > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand -here's > > >the > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's >74 > > >minutes of > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > >Greetz, > > >Dutchwind > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From jt_ at COX.NET Fri May 12 08:41:10 2006 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:41:10 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <000e01c675a8$1e3bf840$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: I'm another BOC fanatic checking in to say, this is great stuff. I shamefully am completely bereft of Hawkwind exposure. I think I have a new band to fall in love with. Tony wrote: > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they play? > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now BOC is > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > Thanks > Tony From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri May 12 09:58:37 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:58:37 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: yeah sorry having a bit of a braibox pollution moment there. doh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand > errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned good > version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba cuts off > halfway! > > > >From: john-paul > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > > > >track are > > > >ejection > >sword of the east > >greenback massacre > >7 by 7 > >out here we are > >angela android > >love in space > >lord of light > >paradox > >spirit of the age > >psi power > >hassan i sahba > > > >best john-paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > > > > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they > >play? > > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now BOC > >is > > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > > > Thanks > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >On > > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > > > demand > > > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good > >quality? > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn > >Festivals, > > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand -here's > > > >the > > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's > >74 > > > >minutes of > > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > > > >Greetz, > > > >Dutchwind > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 12 10:12:07 2006 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:12:07 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Enter the Windows Live Mail beta sweepstakes http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri May 12 12:07:00 2006 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:07:00 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006 08:55:06 +0000, eddie jobson wrote > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good quality? Have a look at http://stream-down.cocsoft.com Gr, Arjan H From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 12:17:45 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:17:45 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: hawk lord's message of Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 Message-ID: hawk lord writes: > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > I'm pleased to post the following: > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > the > direct link to the on demand webcast: > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 Is this supposed to start playing video or something? FoFP From bart at HAWKBOY.NL Fri May 12 12:22:39 2006 From: bart at HAWKBOY.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:22:39 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <200605121617.k4CGHjPq002290@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, May 12, 2006 6:17 pm, M Holmes wrote: >> >> http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > Is this supposed to start playing video or something? Nope, it is audio only and it user an embedded realplayer. Bart From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 12:35:04 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:35:04 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: hawk lord's message of Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 Message-ID: hawk lord writes: > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > I'm pleased to post the following: > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > the > direct link to the on demand webcast: > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 OK, I get a page that indicates Hawkwind played at Roadburn. If I click on it I get another page which says lots of bands played at Roadburn. If I click on Hawkwind there, it goes back to the first page at the link above. I'm guessing that I'm supposed to get sound or video but that I don't have some important piece of software installed. Can anyone clue me in to what that software might be? FoFP From bart at HAWKBOY.NL Fri May 12 12:25:25 2006 From: bart at HAWKBOY.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:25 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <200605121617.k4CGHjPq002290@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, May 12, 2006 6:17 pm, M Holmes wrote: > hawk lord writes: > >> On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn >> Festivals, >> I'm pleased to post the following: >> >> Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand >> -here's >> the >> direct link to the on demand webcast: >> >> http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 For more on demand stuff from roadburn check this http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/archief/index.jsp?showme=concerts Bart From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 12:57:13 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:13 +0100 Subject: Roadburn thingie Message-ID: OK, got it. Forgot I'd been reinstalling the 'puter from scratch and hadn't done RealPlayer yet. As you were. FoFP P.S: It be startin' wid De Right Stuff mon and not wid de Ejection. From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri May 12 16:25:55 2006 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:25:55 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It seems to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song I just feel it is being played to death. With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in my opinion, go amiss. Anyone else agree? Steve On 5/12/06, pete howe wrote: > > errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned good > version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba cuts off > halfway! > > > >From: john-paul > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > > > >track are > > > >ejection > >sword of the east > >greenback massacre > >7 by 7 > >out here we are > >angela android > >love in space > >lord of light > >paradox > >spirit of the age > >psi power > >hassan i sahba > > > >best john-paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > > > > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they > >play? > > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now > BOC > >is > > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > > > Thanks > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >On > > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > on > > > demand > > > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good > >quality? > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn > >Festivals, > > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand -here's > > > >the > > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast > -it's > >74 > > > >minutes of > > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > > > >Greetz, > > > >Dutchwind > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri May 12 16:40:41 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:40:41 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Steve Agree with you. Since 1986 (and 1976-1978) this song was played on almost every tour I really do not like this song. But the middle part (Space is Their) is getting better and better every year Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Freight Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:26 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It seems to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song I just feel it is being played to death. With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in my opinion, go amiss. Anyone else agree? Steve On 5/12/06, pete howe wrote: > > errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned > good version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba > cuts off halfway! > > > >From: john-paul > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > >on demand > >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > > > >track are > > > >ejection > >sword of the east > >greenback massacre > >7 by 7 > >out here we are > >angela android > >love in space > >lord of light > >paradox > >spirit of the age > >psi power > >hassan i sahba > > > >best john-paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > >on demand > > > > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks > > > they > >play? > > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. > > > (Now > BOC > >is > > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) Thanks Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto: > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >On > > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is > > > available > on > > > demand > > > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good > >quality? > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > > > on > >demand > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn > >Festivals, > > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > >demand -here's > > > >the > > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266 > > > >607 > > > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast > -it's > >74 > > > >minutes of > > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > > > >Greetz, > > > >Dutchwind > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri May 12 16:45:10 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:45:10 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, as for me, never get to hear it live, but I do enjoy hearing all the different versions on the different Hawk cds; would have to be one of my overall favorite tracks. But, on the other hand, on the varied cds, the song sounds quite different from one to another, while I suppose the current band probably plays it pretty much the same way,no? tim 8>)... On 5/12/06, Steve Freight wrote: > > Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It > seems > to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song > I > just feel it is being played to death. > > With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in > my opinion, go amiss. > > Anyone else agree? > > Steve > > > On 5/12/06, pete howe wrote: > > > > errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned > good > > version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba cuts off > > halfway! > > > > > > >From: john-paul > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > on > > >demand > > >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > > > > > >track are > > > > > >ejection > > >sword of the east > > >greenback massacre > > >7 by 7 > > >out here we are > > >angela android > > >love in space > > >lord of light > > >paradox > > >spirit of the age > > >psi power > > >hassan i sahba > > > > > >best john-paul > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Tony" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > on > > >demand > > > > > > > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks > they > > >play? > > > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now > > BOC > > >is > > > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) > > > > Thanks > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto: > > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > >On > > > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is > available > > on > > > > demand > > > > > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good > > >quality? > > > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List < > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > on > > >demand > > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn > > >Festivals, > > > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > > >demand -here's > > > > >the > > > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > > > > > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast > > -it's > > >74 > > > > >minutes of > > > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > > > > > >Greetz, > > > > >Dutchwind > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger > > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri May 12 16:55:12 2006 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:55:12 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <1FeeQs-05zE1Y0@fwd28.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: While I sometimes get bored hearing it on a live CD or something, it always seems to hit the spot when yer actually there... it always gets the full-on lightshow, and is a bit of a crowd-pleaser which lifts the atmosphere most times. It's like the "hit single" almost, except it wasn't! Gotta say I'd prefer this to Silver Machine. There's always something I've kinda liked about HW not playing their biggest/only "hit" at most gigs! cheers, Dave At 22:40 12/05/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Steve > >Agree with you. >Since 1986 (and 1976-1978) this song was played on almost every tour > >I really do not like this song. But the middle part (Space is Their) is >getting better and better every year > > >Bernhard > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On >Behalf Of Steve Freight >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:26 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand > >Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It seems >to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song I >just feel it is being played to death. > >With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in >my opinion, go amiss. > >Anyone else agree? > >Steve > > >On 5/12/06, pete howe wrote: > > > > errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned > > good version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba > > cuts off halfway! > > > > > > >From: john-paul > > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > > >on demand > > >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 > > > > > >track are > > > > > >ejection > > >sword of the east > > >greenback massacre > > >7 by 7 > > >out here we are > > >angela android > > >love in space > > >lord of light > > >paradox > > >spirit of the age > > >psi power > > >hassan i sahba > > > > > >best john-paul > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Tony" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM > > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > > >on demand > > > > > > > > > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks > > > > they > > >play? > > > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. > > > > (Now > > BOC > > >is > > > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) Thanks Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto: > > BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > >On > > > > Behalf Of eddie jobson > > > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is > > > > available > > on > > > > demand > > > > > > > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. > > > > > > > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good > > >quality? > > > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: hawk lord > > > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > > > > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available > > > > on > > >demand > > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 > > > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn > > >Festivals, > > > > >I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > > > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on > > >demand -here's > > > > >the > > > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > > > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266 > > > > >607 > > > > > > > > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast > > -it's > > >74 > > > > >minutes of > > > > >pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > > > > > > >Enjoy it! > > > > > > > > > >Greetz, > > > > >Dutchwind > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger > > > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > > Messenger > > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 12 17:35:32 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:35:32 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes..despite being one of THE "great" songs..and even more so relevant now..(and Alan Daveys like for Eastern influences)..i think it has been a bit over cooked lately..They have SO many other fantastic songs.. i think it needs a rest... agreed! >From: Steve Freight >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:25:55 +0100 > >Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It seems >to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song I >just feel it is being played to death. > >With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in >my opinion, go amiss. > >Anyone else agree? > >Steve > > >On 5/12/06, pete howe wrote: >> >>errmm..the first tack is "the right stuff" not ejection!!And a damned good >>version too with extra parts added!Superb..shame hassan i sahba cuts off >>halfway! >> >> >> >From: john-paul >> >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >> >demand >> >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:09:12 +0100 >> > >> >track are >> > >> >ejection >> >sword of the east >> >greenback massacre >> >7 by 7 >> >out here we are >> >angela android >> >love in space >> >lord of light >> >paradox >> >spirit of the age >> >psi power >> >hassan i sahba >> > >> >best john-paul >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Tony" >> >To: >> >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:40 AM >> >Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >> >demand >> > >> > >> > > This is excellent quality. Can anyone give a list of the tracks they >> >play? >> > > I don't recognise them all, not being a diehard Hawkwind fan. (Now >>BOC >> >is >> > > something else, which is mostly why I am here....) >> > > Thanks >> > > Tony >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto: >>BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> >On >> > > Behalf Of eddie jobson >> > > Sent: 12 May 2006 09:55 >> > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > > Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available >>on >> > > demand >> > > >> > > Fantastis stuff, thank you. >> > > >> > > Is there a way someone can burn this onto disk as it's such good >> >quality? >> > > >> > > Eddie. >> > > >> > > >> > > From: hawk lord >> > > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> >> > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > > Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >> >demand >> > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:38 +0000 >> > > >On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn >> >Festivals, >> > > >I'm pleased to post the following: >> > > > >> > > >Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >> >demand -here's >> > > >the >> > > >direct link to the on demand webcast: >> > > > >> > > >http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 >> > > > >> > > >Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast >>-it's >> >74 >> > > >minutes of >> > > >pure spacerock mayhem... >> > > > >> > > >Enjoy it! >> > > > >> > > >Greetz, >> > > >Dutchwind >> > > > >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >> > > >Speel online games via MSN Messenger >> > > >http://www1.imagine-msn.com/Messenger/Default2.aspx >> > > >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger >>7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Fri May 12 22:14:34 2006 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:14:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th Message-ID: Decloaking to post set list: Fort Worth - May 6th Texas Motor Speedway American Cancer Society Fundraiser Canned Intro music The Red & the Black This Ain't the Summer of Love Burnin' for you E. T. I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) w/ instrumental Shooting Shark ME 262 Buck's Boogie Then Came the Last Days of May w/ instrumental Godzilla w/ bass and drum solos Buck solo while drums repaired (Don't Fear) The Reaper Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll Hot Rails To Hell Phillip From tim at KALYR.COM Sat May 13 05:49:28 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:49:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th In-Reply-To: <013201c67632$fac3b4d0$640fa8c0@rd2> Message-ID: Phillip A Jaeger wrote: > Godzilla w/ bass and drum solos > > Buck solo while drums repaired Must have been one hell of a drum solo! Interesting list of oldies (Hot Rails to Hell, Me262) that I've haven't heard them play on the last four shows I've seen them play in England. If anyone connected to the band is reading this, I *demand* they play Astronomy on the July 22 show in Manchester. From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Sat May 13 16:49:09 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:49:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th Message-ID: they played astronomy last month in plymouth ma songs they played (i cant remember order) joan crawford 7 screaming diz busters astronomy bucks boogie godzilla dont fear the reaper i love the night burning for you extra terrestrial intelligence black blade harvester of eyes golden age of leather me262??? maybe 1 or 2 more.....anyone? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:49 AM Subject: Re: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th > Phillip A Jaeger wrote: > >> Godzilla w/ bass and drum solos >> >> Buck solo while drums repaired > > Must have been one hell of a drum solo! > > Interesting list of oldies (Hot Rails to Hell, Me262) that I've haven't > heard them play on the last four shows I've seen them play in England. > > If anyone connected to the band is reading this, I *demand* they play > Astronomy on the July 22 show in Manchester. > > From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sat May 13 23:00:41 2006 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:00:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th Message-ID: I'm a little sad they're not playing anything from the last two albums. Oh well. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Adam Savje >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:49:09 > >they played astronomy last month in plymouth ma > >songs they played (i cant remember order) > > >joan crawford >7 screaming diz busters >astronomy >bucks boogie >godzilla >dont fear the reaper >i love the night >burning for you >extra terrestrial intelligence >black blade >harvester of eyes >golden age of leather > >me262??? >maybe 1 or 2 more.....anyone? > >adam > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Hall" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:49 AM >Subject: Re: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th > > >> Phillip A Jaeger wrote: >> >>> Godzilla w/ bass and drum solos >>> >>> Buck solo while drums repaired >> >> Must have been one hell of a drum solo! >> >> Interesting list of oldies (Hot Rails to Hell, >Me262) that I've haven't >> heard them play on the last four shows I've seen >them play in England. >> >> If anyone connected to the band is reading this, >I *demand* they play >> Astronomy on the July 22 show in Manchester. >> >> From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sun May 14 03:06:23 2006 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 08:06:23 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <000a01c675a6$1e6934b0$af686b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: >set your audio card to "what you hear" Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you set this. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of john-paul Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years john-paul From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Sun May 14 03:54:44 2006 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:54:44 +0200 Subject: AW: Live File Message-ID: Hi from Germany, Thanx very much for all who worked out this file. A nice document of late HAWKWIND. Yesterday I compared it to another live record which was cireceling through the scene in 1983, I guess it is recorded from the crowd in 1982 at the Rainbow Theatre in London with Mike Moorcock (the show which starts with Calvert and Nik appearing and performing Master of the Universe). I thought: My god - what have this been a mindblowing set. Today the set is more friendly, more harmonic, more full of joy to play the stuff. If you ask me what I find better I would vote for the 1982 tracks. Curious: I guess most of the guys on the stage in 1982 might be in that age that I am now..... Greetings Christian Appelt ONDAMED Support Europe Silscheder Str. 29 58135 Hagen +49 (0) 172 23 99 474 christian-appelt at infomedic.de -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Hawkfan Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 09:06 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: >set your audio card to "what you hear" Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you set this. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of john-paul Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years john-paul From tim at KALYR.COM Sun May 14 04:26:55 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:26:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: set list - Fort Worth - May 6th In-Reply-To: <200605140300.k4E30ff9011720@mmm1503.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM wrote: > I'm a little sad they're not playing anything from the last two albums. Oh well. Pity, since See You In Black and Harvest Moon stand up well alongside the earlier stuff. Can't think of a similar standout from COTHM, though. Last British show I saw had two songs from Mirrors and one from Club Ninja, but nothing from Heaven Forbid :( From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun May 14 04:21:35 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:21:35 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: hi jr, set your sound card settings to what you hear in your sound card mixer settings. as long as the meters in goldwave move you have it right jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you > set this. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of john-paul > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > john-paul > From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Sun May 14 04:49:51 2006 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:49:51 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <000c01c6772f$6a0e2d00$b26b6b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Aha! Got it! Thanks, JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of john-paul Sent: 14 May 2006 09:22 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: hi jr, set your sound card settings to what you hear in your sound card mixer settings. as long as the meters in goldwave move you have it right jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you > set this. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of john-paul > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > john-paul > From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun May 14 09:01:01 2006 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:01:01 -0400 Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT Message-ID: Toad's Place, New Haven CT The Red and the Black Harvester of Eyes Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Trans-Maniacon MC ME-262 Golden Age of Leather Last Days of May Godzilla (Don?t Fear the) Reaper *Cities on Flame *7 Screaming Diz-Busters *Hot Rails to Hell Memorial Hall, Plymouth MA Joan Crawford Cities on Flame Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Buck?s Boogie Harvester of Eyes Golden Age of Leather Astronomy Godzilla (Don?t Fear the) Reaper *Black Blade *7 Screaming Diz-Busters Did anyone there pick up that Buck sang alternate lyrics at the end of I Love the Night? _________________________________________________________________ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx From albert at CELLSUM.COM Sun May 14 09:11:47 2006 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:11:47 -0400 Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was a verse cut out of the original recording. I wonder if it was that. BTW maybe they'll put it back in the reissue. I should ask Don. Al On May 14, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Rus Hall wrote: > > I Love the Night > Buck?s Boogie > Harvester of Eyes > Golden Age of Leather > Astronomy > Godzilla > (Don?t Fear the) Reaper > *Black Blade > *7 Screaming Diz-Busters > > > Did anyone there pick up that Buck sang alternate lyrics at the end > of I Love the Night? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure > of a lifetime > http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx > From othermark at THEKELLYCLAN.ME.UK Sun May 14 12:01:38 2006 From: othermark at THEKELLYCLAN.ME.UK (Mark Kelly) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link (the page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? Take care Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you > set this. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of john-paul > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > john-paul > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/06 > > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun May 14 12:50:15 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:50:15 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: when you click on the link after a while, depending on your connection speed, you should hear the webcast. then you need some kind of audio recorder on your pc such as soundforge or something. the webcast is a real audio stream so maybe you have to have real audio installed on your pc, i'm not sure, sorry. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:01 PM > I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link (the > page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? > > Take care > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hawkfan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > > > > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you > > set this. > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > > Behalf Of john-paul > > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: > > > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card > > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn > > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio > > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > > john-paul > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/06 > > > > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sun May 14 13:56:16 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:56:16 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <004401c6776f$af3996e0$0ad59e51@bgm> Message-ID: yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold wave. cant record it, though..grr! pete >From: Mark Kelly >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 > >I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link (the >page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? > >Take care > >Mark >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hawkfan" >To: >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > > > > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where >you > > set this. > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >On > > Behalf Of john-paul > > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: > > > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio >card > > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on >goldwave,turn > > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big >audio > > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > > john-paul > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/06 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Sun May 14 15:09:00 2006 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (Rainer Wangler) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:09:00 GMT Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: <51091A289F4BEC4FAB25C9BBC712A208021B66A6@mapibe02.exchange.xchg> Message-ID: The gig was played at the Rainbow theatre london 18.12.1981 Rainer "Appelt, Christian" schrieb: > Hi from Germany, > > Thanx very much for all who worked out this file. A nice document of late HAWKWIND. Yesterday I compared it to another live record which was cireceling through the scene in 1983, I guess it is recorded from the crowd in 1982 at the Rainbow Theatre in London with Mike Moorcock (the show which starts with Calvert and Nik appearing and performing Master of the Universe). I thought: My god - what have this been a mindblowing set. Today the set is more friendly, more harmonic, more full of joy to play the stuff. > > If you ask me what I find better I would vote for the 1982 tracks. Curious: I guess most of the guys on the stage in 1982 might be in that age that I am now..... > > Greetings > > > Christian Appelt > ONDAMED Support Europe > Silscheder Str. 29 > 58135 Hagen > +49 (0) 172 23 99 474 > mailto:christian-appelt at infomedic.de > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Hawkfan > Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 09:06 > An: mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Betreff: > > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you set this. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of john-paul > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > To: mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big audio file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years john-paul > From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Sun May 14 15:28:16 2006 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:28:16 EDT Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 14/05/2006 18:57:32 GMT Standard Time, sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM writes: i dont have gold wave. cant record it, though..grr! Just put goldwave in your search engine, that's all I did, found the site & downloaded the programe, its shareware, but you use it for a limited time. Ian From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Sun May 14 15:58:15 2006 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:58:15 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: Live File Message-ID: Yes you're right. I looked into my notebook. I will try to mix it up over the summerholiday weeks. One problem that I can't solve is the break in Golden Void where the first tape side ended.... Brilliant stuff. Christian Appelt ONDAMED Support Europe Silscheder Str. 29 58135 Hagen +49 (0) 172 23 99 474 christian-appelt at infomedic.de -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Rainer Wangler Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 21:09 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: AW: Live File The gig was played at the Rainbow theatre london 18.12.1981 Rainer "Appelt, Christian" schrieb: > Hi from Germany, > > Thanx very much for all who worked out this file. A nice document of late HAWKWIND. Yesterday I compared it to another live record which was cireceling through the scene in 1983, I guess it is recorded from the crowd in 1982 at the Rainbow Theatre in London with Mike Moorcock (the show which starts with Calvert and Nik appearing and performing Master of the Universe). I thought: My god - what have this been a mindblowing set. Today the set is more friendly, more harmonic, more full of joy to play the stuff. > > If you ask me what I find better I would vote for the 1982 tracks. Curious: I guess most of the guys on the stage in 1982 might be in that age that I am now..... > > Greetings > > > Christian Appelt > ONDAMED Support Europe > Silscheder Str. 29 > 58135 Hagen > +49 (0) 172 23 99 474 > mailto:christian-appelt at infomedic.de > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Hawkfan > Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 09:06 > An: mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Betreff: > > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see where you set this. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of john-paul > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > To: mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your audio > card to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on > goldwave,turn your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you > have a big audio file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live > hawkwind for years john-paul > From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Sun May 14 22:19:54 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:19:54 -0400 Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT Message-ID: yes i noticed the alternate lyrics. anyone have source? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rus Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT Toad's Place, New Haven CT The Red and the Black Harvester of Eyes Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Trans-Maniacon MC ME-262 Golden Age of Leather Last Days of May Godzilla (Don?t Fear the) Reaper *Cities on Flame *7 Screaming Diz-Busters *Hot Rails to Hell Memorial Hall, Plymouth MA Joan Crawford Cities on Flame Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Buck?s Boogie Harvester of Eyes Golden Age of Leather Astronomy Godzilla (Don?t Fear the) Reaper *Black Blade *7 Screaming Diz-Busters Did anyone there pick up that Buck sang alternate lyrics at the end of I Love the Night? _________________________________________________________________ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 15 05:43:03 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:43:03 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: Steve Freight's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 21:25:55 +0100 Message-ID: Steve Freight writes: > Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored with Hassan I Sahba. It seems > to be the only ever present track these days and whilst it is a good song I > just feel it is being played to death. > > With such a wealth of other material a rest for a year or so would not, in > my opinion, go amiss. > > Anyone else agree? Yep. It's taken a while but I've got to that point too. It just doesn't sound fresh or interesting any more. What I'd like to see them try is moving the "Space Is Their Palestine" insert to the middle of "Sword of the East" where I think it'd work really well. I'd also like to see "To Love a Machine" and "Digital Nation" back in the live set plus some more reworking of that Earth Calling/Seeing It As You Really Are combination. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 15 05:47:23 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:47:23 +0100 Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: Rainer Wangler's message of Sun, 14 May 2006 19:09:00 GMT Message-ID: Rainer Wangler writes: > The gig was played at the Rainbow theatre london 18.12.1981 > Rainer Hey Rainer! Long time no hear. Good to see you on the list! Mike From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 15 05:52:06 2006 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:52:06 +0000 Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: <200605150947.k4F9lNFg006739@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: And I think the guy Calvert refers to as WH Biggles was me? >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: AW: Live File >Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:47:23 +0100 > >Rainer Wangler writes: > > > The gig was played at the Rainbow theatre london 18.12.1981 > > Rainer > >Hey Rainer! Long time no hear. Good to see you on the list! > >Mike From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Mon May 15 05:52:21 2006 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (IainFerguson at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 05:52:21 EDT Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: Ohh, i'd like to see them play LSD with the Space is their Palestine in the middle...or Quark Starangness & Charm ( which when played back in 1990 ish, was awesome, and "space is their palestine would perhaps fit into that). then again, I'd love to see them play Space is Deep, Kerb Crawler , flying Dr or Mirror of illusion live... iain From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Mon May 15 05:58:16 2006 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:58:16 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <3e2.28ffe30.3199a955@aol.com> Message-ID: Mirror of illusion as recorded for the first album would be great - a real classic imo that I don't think was ever played live in this version. I used to have many tapes and never found a 70's version of this. Correct me if I'm wrong (and let me have a copy!!!) Steve On 5/15/06, IainFerguson at aol.com wrote: > > Ohh, > > i'd like to see them play LSD with the Space is their Palestine in the > middle...or Quark Starangness & Charm ( which when played back in > 1990 ish, was > awesome, and "space is their palestine would perhaps fit into that). > > then again, I'd love to see them play Space is Deep, Kerb Crawler > , flying > Dr or Mirror of illusion live... > > iain > From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Mon May 15 06:10:58 2006 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:10:58 +0200 Subject: AW: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: Yes, you are all right for me. The set list needs a refresh. So I am not motivated to go to one of theier shows if it is farer away. Reworking the classic tracks would be superb. I welcomed 7 by 7 and Paradox and Sword of the East on the Tilburg record. And again: My best Live set beneath Space Ritual, Alien 4 Tour and Atomhenge is those set from 1981.12.18 from London Rainbow. Full of jokes, poetry, menacing lyrics and a wonderful tension in the music. Christian Appelt -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Steve Freight Gesendet: Montag, 15. Mai 2006 11:58 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Mirror of illusion as recorded for the first album would be great - a real classic imo that I don't think was ever played live in this version. I used to have many tapes and never found a 70's version of this. Correct me if I'm wrong (and let me have a copy!!!) Steve On 5/15/06, IainFerguson at aol.com wrote: > > Ohh, > > i'd like to see them play LSD with the Space is their Palestine in the > middle...or Quark Starangness & Charm ( which when played back in 1990 > ish, was awesome, and "space is their palestine would perhaps fit into > that). > > then again, I'd love to see them play Space is Deep, Kerb Crawler , > flying Dr or Mirror of illusion live... > > iain > From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Mon May 15 09:45:00 2006 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (Rainer Wangler) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:45:00 GMT Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: <200605150947.k4F9lNFg006739@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike, greetings from Essen, When you have childs , you have problems with space "M Holmes" schrieb: > Rainer Wangler writes: > > > The gig was played at the Rainbow theatre london 18.12.1981 > > Rainer > > Hey Rainer! Long time no hear. Good to see you on the list! > > Mike > From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon May 15 11:26:03 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:26:03 -0600 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in jack, and achieve the same result. Guido pete howe wrote: > yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic > real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold > wave. > cant record it, though..grr! > pete > > >> From: Mark Kelly >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 >> >> I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link >> (the >> page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? >> >> Take care >> >> Mark >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hawkfan" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM >> >> >> > >set your audio card to "what you hear" >> > >> > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see >> where you >> > set this. >> > >> > JR >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> > Behalf Of john-paul >> > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > Subject: >> > >> > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your >> audio card >> > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on >> goldwave,turn >> > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big >> audio >> > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years >> > john-paul >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: >> 12/05/06 >> > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 15 13:08:02 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:08:02 +0100 Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: Rainer Wangler's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 13:45:00 GMT Message-ID: Rainer Wangler writes: > Hi Mike, > greetings from Essen, > When you have childs , you have problems with space Heh. I think I did my very first Hawkwind tape trade with you back in 1978? Where did all the time go? FoFP From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon May 15 13:19:35 2006 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:19:35 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <44689D8B.10903@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: The problem with this is that the quality is reduced, because the sound has to go out through the D-A convertors then back in through the D-A convertors. The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it hits the sound card. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Guido Vacano Sent: 15 May 2006 16:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in jack, and achieve the same result. Guido pete howe wrote: > yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic > real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold > wave. > cant record it, though..grr! > pete > > >> From: Mark Kelly >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 >> >> I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link >> (the >> page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? >> >> Take care >> >> Mark >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hawkfan" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM >> >> >> > >set your audio card to "what you hear" >> > >> > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see >> where you >> > set this. >> > >> > JR >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> > Behalf Of john-paul >> > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> > Subject: >> > >> > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your >> audio card >> > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on >> goldwave,turn >> > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big >> audio >> > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years >> > john-paul >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: >> 12/05/06 >> > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon May 15 14:44:29 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:44:29 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:19 PM > The problem with this is that the quality is reduced, because the sound has > to go out through the D-A convertors then back in through the D-A > convertors. > > The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs > drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it hits the > sound card. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > Sent: 15 May 2006 16:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", > or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from > your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line > out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your > computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording > program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, > and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I > think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in > jack, and achieve the same result. > > Guido > > pete howe wrote: > > yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic > > real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold > > wave. > > cant record it, though..grr! > > pete > > > > > >> From: Mark Kelly > >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 > >> > >> I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link > >> (the > >> page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? > >> > >> Take care > >> > >> Mark > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Hawkfan" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > >> > >> > >> > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > >> > > >> > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see > >> where you > >> > set this. > >> > > >> > JR > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >> On > >> > Behalf Of john-paul > >> > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > Subject: > >> > > >> > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your > >> audio card > >> > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on > >> goldwave,turn > >> > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big > >> audio > >> > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > >> > john-paul > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: > >> 12/05/06 > >> > > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon May 15 14:52:01 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:52:01 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: a programme such as goldwave ( which is free to download as a demo at download.com )will record ,without any loss of quality, any sound that is put through any soundcard. nowadays when there are a lot of webcasts of variuos stuff it is an invaluable piece of kit. i've tried lots of these type of programmes and for ease of use and results goldwave is the best,imho. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:19 PM > The problem with this is that the quality is reduced, because the sound has > to go out through the D-A convertors then back in through the D-A > convertors. > > The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs > drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it hits the > sound card. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > Sent: 15 May 2006 16:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", > or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from > your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line > out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your > computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording > program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, > and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I > think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in > jack, and achieve the same result. > > Guido > > pete howe wrote: > > yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic > > real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold > > wave. > > cant record it, though..grr! > > pete > > > > > >> From: Mark Kelly > >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 > >> > >> I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link > >> (the > >> page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? > >> > >> Take care > >> > >> Mark > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Hawkfan" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > >> > >> > >> > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > >> > > >> > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see > >> where you > >> > set this. > >> > > >> > JR > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > >> On > >> > Behalf Of john-paul > >> > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> > Subject: > >> > > >> > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your > >> audio card > >> > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on > >> goldwave,turn > >> > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big > >> audio > >> > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > >> > john-paul > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: > >> 12/05/06 > >> > > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Mon May 15 15:16:00 2006 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (Rainer Wangler) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:16:00 GMT Subject: AW: Live File In-Reply-To: <200605151708.k4FH82TS022706@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The question is :how old are you or we Rainer "M Holmes" schrieb: > Rainer Wangler writes: > > > Hi Mike, > > greetings from Essen, > > When you have childs , you have problems with space > > Heh. I think I did my very first Hawkwind tape trade with you back in > 1978? Where did all the time go? > > FoFP > From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 15 16:06:33 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:06:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME Message-ID: BOC get a mention in this weeks New Musical Express. In a review of a Sunshine Underground gig (".....The Sunshine Underground are suddenly transformed into the whooshing electro-rock monster that they always had in them to become") I quote - "The cowbell is a curious instrument. Once the sole preserve of either denim clad '70s hairballs (check out Free's 'All Right Now' and Blue Oyster Cult's mighty 'DFtR')" I didn't know there was a cowbell in All Right Now - but who cares when the NME calls BOC mighty :-))))) There were also various other cowbell mentions including having four being played at once. .......CtGB. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon May 15 16:24:31 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:24:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME In-Reply-To: <005101c6785b$119d8210$0202a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: Wil Wheaton had a cute cowbell reference in a recent blog posting of his, about playing the Guitar Hero videogame with his stepson: http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2006/05/keep_on_jammin__1.html -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue May 16 00:26:07 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:26:07 -0600 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <004701c67843$bcd6e620$8080a8c0@rattus2> Message-ID: Umm yeah . . . it sounds like a big, prolonged, noxious horse fart. Not. :-) Guido (who's weird -- no PC running Windoze with Creative sound card and demo shareware) Hawkfan wrote: > The problem with this is that the quality is reduced, because the sound has > to go out through the D-A convertors then back in through the D-A > convertors. > > The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs > drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it hits the > sound card. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > Sent: 15 May 2006 16:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: > > Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", > or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from > your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line > out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your > computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording > program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, > and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I > think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in > jack, and achieve the same result. > > Guido > > From joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 16 01:28:45 2006 From: joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM (Jon Jon) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 05:28:45 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: I had the same problem - i kept flicking between the 2 pages with no sound. Go and download realplayer free edition and hey presto! You will get to hear Brocky announcing 'good evening!' - followed by 74 minutes of Hawkwind in really rather good form Jon > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:35:04 +0100> From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> Subject: Re: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET> > hawk lord writes:> > > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > > I'm pleased to post the following:> > > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > > the> > direct link to the on demand webcast:> > > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607> > OK, I get a page that indicates Hawkwind played at Roadburn. If I click> on it I get another page which says lots of bands played at Roadburn. If> I click on Hawkwind there, it goes back to the first page at the link> above.> > I'm guessing that I'm supposed to get sound or video but that I don't> have some important piece of software installed. Can anyone clue me in> to what that software might be? > > FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 16 06:17:56 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:17:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: on TV Message-ID: The series "Supernatural" this week had an episode with much featuring of BOC. The theme was your basic Scooby-Doo Haunted House. The house had a bunch of occult symbols painted on the walls. One that the brothers couldn't reference was the BOC symbol, though Dean was sure he'd seen it before. Sure enough by the end of the episode he'd traced it to the back of a BOC album. The denoument had them walking away from a burning house with "Don't Fear The Reaper" playing. FoFP From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue May 16 11:10:53 2006 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: on TV Message-ID: Somebody told me recently that "Supernatural" has used BOC music a few times. Must be a fan on the writing staff. . . or maybe a creator/producer. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: M Holmes >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:17:56 > >The series "Supernatural" this week had an episode >with much featuring >of BOC. The theme was your basic Scooby-Doo >Haunted House. The house >had a bunch of occult symbols painted on the walls. > One that the >brothers couldn't reference was the BOC symbol, >though Dean was sure >he'd seen it before. Sure enough by the end of the >episode he'd traced >it to the back of a BOC album. The denoument had >them walking away from >a burning house with "Don't Fear The Reaper" >playing. > >FoFP From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue May 16 11:25:57 2006 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:25:57 +0200 Subject: Live File In-Reply-To: <004701c67843$bcd6e620$8080a8c0@rattus2> Message-ID: On 15.05.2006, at 19:19, Hawkfan wrote: > The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative > Labs > drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it > hits the > sound card. Apple guys can use the (IMO very good) Audio Hijack program for that kind of recording, btw. (c)IAO D'cool new 13" MacBooks announced today, yippee'+R From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Tue May 16 12:02:41 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:02:41 -0600 Subject: Live File In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, but some of us have an aversion to spending money (even minor money) on software, and would rather find an open source alternative. :-) Audacity will apparently work for recording streaming audio on some Windows and Linux machines (so Windows and Linux users might want to give it a try before buying a shareware program), but it won't do it under OS X. Bummer. BTW, the concert stream is excellent. Guido (who wants a MacBook Pro :-) ) Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > On 15.05.2006, at 19:19, Hawkfan wrote: > >> The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs >> drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it >> hits the >> sound card. > > Apple guys can use the (IMO very good) Audio Hijack program for that > kind of recording, btw. > > (c)IAO > > D'cool new 13" MacBooks announced today, yippee'+R From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue May 16 14:09:17 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:09:17 -0700 Subject: HW: Voiceprint releases etc. In-Reply-To: <445F1036.5060002@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Hey Folks... I just stopped by Voiceprint's website to see if they had any information up about the "Take me to your Future" CD-EP/DVD release (assuming they're handling it again). Didn't find anything out about that, but up on the upcoming CDs list, they've got a whole series of live Robert Calvert CDs coming out that might be of interest to some. Plus, finally, the 8th Weird Tape is (apparently) now out on CD! Cool. Wonder why that took so long?! Um...has anybody ever heard this guy "Von Lmo" before? I bought a CD of his last week out of the cheapie used bin, just cause it had the name 'Cosmic...' something as a title. And the description inside was peculiar in a Hawkwind Log kind of way. And then I listen to it, and the music sounds exactly like something Nik would do. With a guy on Tenor Sax even, playing very much in the Nik-freakout style. The singer (Von Lmo, with the Lmo pronounced like Elmo I gather) has a much different voice than Nik, kinda deep & bluesy, but otherwise this stuff sounds like something between ICU and Nik's band with Helios and Pressurehed guys. Not bad at all. A hell of a lot better than Space Ritual, that's for sure. :) Oh, and thanks to whomever it was that posted about Jonathan Kane a few weeks back. What I heard in the store was actually not the "February" album, but rather a brand new 2-track CD-EP out on the Radium sub-label of "Table of the Elements." It was the long second track (the title track, which of course I can't remember right now) that I thought was really cool. I'll have to pick up both CDs sometime soon. Apparently he's from the band Swans (the drummer?). I've seen that name (Swans) from time to time, but not really sure what they're like...avant-garde sort of stuff? There's a whole bunch of bands whose names I'm familiar with (like Merzbow, Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, etc. etc.) and I figure they're all the same kind of quirky avant-noise post-rocky stuff that may or may not be any damn good...who can tell? Oh, yeah, Muslimgauze too. And some more stuff on that Table of the Elements label too, likely. I should really get a computer at home with some kind of decent soundcard where I could check out samples of all this kind of stuff, so I know whether I might want to buy any of it. Plus, I hear something about Hawkwind shows being online now. :) That's all...Grakkl P.S. The Japanese ex-avant-noise current-groove-psych band Boredoms are playing here in Columbus in late June. Presumably they're doing some kind of US tour around then. Those interested might check their local listings. (Also, Circle are doing four shows in late July in the UK...go to www.circlefinland.com for more info. London, Brighton, Bristol, Birmingham or something it was.) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From chip at PCC.COM Tue May 16 14:40:36 2006 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:36 -0400 Subject: Live File In-Reply-To: <4469F7A1.9020502@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: ...for Linux users looking to record streaming audio, I recommend 'streamripper' (easily googled). There is a Windows version as well. This makes the task of tuning into a Webstation and breaking up the stream into individual files really, really easy. If you're sampling a known stream, you can also easily use mplayer to do your work. For example, you can take a realaudio stream and easily convert it to mp3 that way. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Tue May 16 15:22:46 2006 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:22:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint releases etc. In-Reply-To: <20060516180917.29130.qmail@web33213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's also calvert stuff worth looking at on his own page on Voiceprint's website. -- Quoting Keith Henderson : > Hey Folks... > > I just stopped by Voiceprint's website to see if they had any information > up about the "Take me to your Future" CD-EP/DVD release (assuming they're > handling it again). Didn't find anything out about that, but up on the > upcoming CDs list, they've got a whole series of live Robert Calvert CDs > coming out that might be of interest to some. > > Plus, finally, the 8th Weird Tape is (apparently) now out on CD! Cool. > Wonder why that took so long?! > > Um...has anybody ever heard this guy "Von Lmo" before? I bought a CD of > his last week out of the cheapie used bin, just cause it had the name > 'Cosmic...' something as a title. And the description inside was peculiar in > a Hawkwind Log kind of way. And then I listen to it, and the music sounds > exactly like something Nik would do. With a guy on Tenor Sax even, playing > very much in the Nik-freakout style. The singer (Von Lmo, with the Lmo > pronounced like Elmo I gather) has a much different voice than Nik, kinda > deep & bluesy, but otherwise this stuff sounds like something between ICU and > Nik's band with Helios and Pressurehed guys. Not bad at all. A hell of a > lot better than Space Ritual, that's for sure. :) > > Oh, and thanks to whomever it was that posted about Jonathan Kane a few > weeks back. What I heard in the store was actually not the "February" album, > but rather a brand new 2-track CD-EP out on the Radium sub-label of "Table of > the Elements." It was the long second track (the title track, which of > course I can't remember right now) that I thought was really cool. I'll have > to pick up both CDs sometime soon. Apparently he's from the band Swans (the > drummer?). I've seen that name (Swans) from time to time, but not really > sure what they're like...avant-garde sort of stuff? There's a whole bunch of > bands whose names I'm familiar with (like Merzbow, Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, > etc. etc.) and I figure they're all the same kind of quirky avant-noise > post-rocky stuff that may or may not be any damn good...who can tell? Oh, > yeah, Muslimgauze too. And some more stuff on that Table of the Elements > label too, likely. I should really get a computer at home with some kind of > decent soundcard where I could check out samples of all this kind of stuff, > so I know whether I might want to buy any of it. Plus, I hear something > about Hawkwind shows being online now. :) > > That's all...Grakkl > > P.S. The Japanese ex-avant-noise current-groove-psych band Boredoms are > playing here in Columbus in late June. Presumably they're doing some kind of > US tour around then. Those interested might check their local listings. > (Also, Circle are doing four shows in late July in the UK...go to > www.circlefinland.com for more info. London, Brighton, Bristol, Birmingham > or something it was.) > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue May 16 15:34:35 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:34:35 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I recorded it using Nero Wave Editor that came with the InCd package when I got a DVD writer. I burnt it to Cd and listened to it in the car on the way to work this morning. And then, guess what, I heard the sound of an email arriving (oooops!!!) - guess who had left his email open and the sounds turned on. Guess who'll have to re-record it now? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "john-paul" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:52 PM > a programme such as goldwave ( which is free to download as a demo at > download.com )will record ,without any loss of quality, any sound that is > put through any soundcard. nowadays when there are a lot of webcasts of > variuos stuff it is an invaluable piece of kit. i've tried lots of these > type of programmes and for ease of use and results goldwave is the > best,imho. > jp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hawkfan" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:19 PM > > > > The problem with this is that the quality is reduced, because the sound > has > > to go out through the D-A convertors then back in through the D-A > > convertors. > > > > The trick john-paul mentioned is (I think) a trick of the Creative Labs > > drivers and allows you to directly record the digital sound as it hits the > > sound card. > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > > Behalf Of Guido Vacano > > Sent: 15 May 2006 16:26 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: > > > > Just FYI--you can hook the line out jack on your computer to "aux in", > > or line in, on your stereo (giving you the benefit of good sound from > > your quality system as you play the stream :-) ), then hook your line > > out, or "rec" jacks on your stereo to your line in jack on your > > computer. Play the show, and record the line in input with a recording > > program (I use Audacity, which is free, and is ported to Windows, OS X, > > and Linux/Unix). Audacity is also handy for recording LPs. Actually, I > > think you can just connect your line out jack directly to your line in > > jack, and achieve the same result. > > > > Guido > > > > pete howe wrote: > > > yes...i think you need real player or something like that??...basic > > > real player is free to download, mine plays fine and i dont have gold > > > wave. > > > cant record it, though..grr! > > > pete > > > > > > > > >> From: Mark Kelly > > >> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:01:38 +0100 > > >> > > >> I don't have Goldwave - and nothing happens when I click on the link > > >> (the > > >> page loads, but nothing else happens). Any advice? > > >> > > >> Take care > > >> > > >> Mark > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Hawkfan" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> > >set your audio card to "what you hear" > > >> > > > >> > Is that a setting in Goldwave? I have v5.13 here but I can't see > > >> where you > > >> > set this. > > >> > > > >> > JR > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > >> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > >> On > > >> > Behalf Of john-paul > > >> > Sent: 12 May 2006 10:26 > > >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > >> > Subject: > > >> > > > >> > just done it eddie. i use a programme called goldwave. set your > > >> audio card > > >> > to "what you hear". press play on the webcast and record on > > >> goldwave,turn > > >> > your speakers off and come back in an hour or so and you have a big > > >> audio > > >> > file. split it into tracks and burn it. best live hawkwind for years > > >> > john-paul > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: > > >> 12/05/06 > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > > > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 17 05:46:41 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:46:41 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Neil Toyne's message of Tue, 16 May 2006 20:34:35 +0100 Message-ID: Neil Toyne writes: > I recorded it using Nero Wave Editor that came with the InCd package when I > got a DVD writer. I burnt it to Cd Ah. Now I just bought Nero. Haven't read the manuals yet though. Any chance of a quick "How To" on getting the webcast on to a CD? Ta. Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 17 12:59:06 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:59:06 +0100 Subject: Roadburn CD covers? Message-ID: Have any of our talented amateurs here created CD covers for the Roadburn webcast? FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed May 17 13:23:19 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:19 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops/Sloterdijk return for Mike's 20th anniversary season!!! Message-ID: In celebration of Mike's 20th year as a professional musician, The One Eyed Bishops are pleased to announce the following LIVE AUDITION performance at The Courthouse Tavern ( formerly Buzz's Sports Bar ) in Mt. Holly, New Jersey, Thursday May 25th!! Please see venue info at: http://www.mounthollycourthousetavern.com/ 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of Mike playing live with his own bands, beginning with The Observation in 1986. The first paid performance took place in March of 1986. This next appearance will be the 2nd in the 20th anniversary season, the first being the SLOTERDIJK radio concert in Amsterdam this past March. Please come join us on the 25th..It's an open mic event, so feel free to bring an instrument!! We're using this night as an opportunity to audition live for a full length paid slot at the venue later this summer..We need your support, so come on out to historic Mt. Holly and have a few pints!! Punters welcome mates!!! Also don't forget about the 2nd annual 'Highway To Healthcare', biker run/festival for Deborah Heart & Lung Center, July 16th..The One Eyed Bishops will be doing a full length set, and there may well be some special guestsl!!! see: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Also keep in mind, THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO ALL!!! OK, hope to see some of you along the way!!!! Peace, The OEBs http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk PS: To book SLOTERDIJK or The One Eyed Bishops, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 17 13:55:52 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:55:52 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hi Mike, Best to start by navigating to the webcast first and stopping the streaming (i.e. press the stop button). Start the Nero StartSmart and click on "Nero Wave Editor", then click on the yellow/red/white roundel record button in the left of the bottom section of the wave editor window. This opens a "Sample Format Settings" window from which you can choose the sample rate and bit depth of the recording. Click OK when done. The recording console then opens. Clicking on the record button on here starts the recording of whatever is going through the sound card. DO NOT click on OK or cancel - just leave this window open. Now click on play on the webcast and sit back for 74 minutes. When the webcast has finished, click on OK in the recording console window, this then closes and the file is displayed in the main wave editor window. You can edit from here or you can simply save it (via the usual file/save as routine) in whatever format you like as a single file - I opted for this latter option. Hope this helps - and sorry if I've over-egged the detail, I've been teaching ICT to some, erm, reluctant kids today........... Oh, and by the way, turn off all other sources of noise that could spoil the recording such as the sounds that notify the arrival of email, or the opening of other programmes or whatever BEFORE you start - experience says that you will receive an email seventy one minutes into the recording............... Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:46 AM > Neil Toyne writes: > > > I recorded it using Nero Wave Editor that came with the InCd package when I > > got a DVD writer. I burnt it to Cd > > Ah. Now I just bought Nero. Haven't read the manuals yet though. Any > chance of a quick "How To" on getting the webcast on to a CD? > > Ta. > > Mike > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 16/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 16/05/2006 From novadrive at COX.NET Wed May 17 14:18:41 2006 From: novadrive at COX.NET (novadrive) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:18:41 -0700 Subject: Roadburn CD covers? In-Reply-To: <200605171659.k4HGx6Nw024604@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes, which I'll post on my website later today... Kevin M Sommers http://www.kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Roadburn CD covers? Have any of our talented amateurs here created CD covers for the Roadburn webcast? FoFP From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Wed May 17 16:30:08 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:08 -0400 Subject: BOC:??? Message-ID: What the heck is this supposed to mean??? tim 8>)... *"Bleed Like Me" - Garbage* an Associated Press review Forget the revivalists. The disjointed members of Garbage created and lived in the obscurity of an era that bands like The Killers and Bloc Party cheerfully recreate. Now, after a four-year, drama-filled absence that included one breakup, Garbage returns with the often repetitious but fully charged "Bleed Like Me." *The troupe of former Blue Oyster Cult members* -- save glamazon frontwoman Shirley Manson -- has been infused with the edginess of a Ginsu knife, lavishly exposing old wounds and new ones with potent guitars riffs and brawny drums. "You should see my scars," former self-mutilator Manson whispers on the album's paramount title track. -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From novadrive at COX.NET Wed May 17 18:14:09 2006 From: novadrive at COX.NET (novadrive) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:14:09 -0700 Subject: Roadburn CD covers? In-Reply-To: <200605171659.k4HGx6Nw024604@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I've put covers here: http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind/Roadburn-front.jpg and http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind/Roadburn-back.jpg, linked from http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind.htm Kevin M Sommers http://www.kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:59 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Roadburn CD covers? Have any of our talented amateurs here created CD covers for the Roadburn webcast? FoFP From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed May 17 19:02:02 2006 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 01:02:02 +0200 Subject: BOC:??? In-Reply-To: <8809f5fb0605171330l7c593f11nfb3d474f9f08e561@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > *The troupe of former Blue Oyster Cult members* -- save glamazon frontwoman > Shirley Manson -- Perhaps the writer was on crack? LOL. Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From jt_ at COX.NET Wed May 17 20:31:03 2006 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:31:03 -0500 Subject: BOC:??? In-Reply-To: <200605180102.03496.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: >> *The troupe of former Blue Oyster Cult members* -- save glamazon frontwoman >> Shirley Manson -- > > Perhaps the writer was on crack? LOL. > Hah! That's insane! On the other hand, I thought about writing a review of "Bleed Like Me" comparing at least one of the songs to BOC's more infernal-sounding songs. From jt_ at COX.NET Thu May 18 07:20:38 2006 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 06:20:38 -0500 Subject: BOC:??? In-Reply-To: <446BC047.6080609@cox.net> Message-ID: Jeff Thompson wrote: > Alex S. Garcia wrote: >>> *The troupe of former Blue Oyster Cult members* -- save glamazon >>> frontwoman >>> Shirley Manson -- >> >> Perhaps the writer was on crack? LOL. >> > > > Hah! That's insane! > > On the other hand, I thought about writing a review of "Bleed Like Me" > comparing at least one of the songs to BOC's more infernal-sounding > songs. > Come to think of it, I remember reading a review of Bleed Like Me in Rolling Stone or somewhere else that made a jokey reference to the bandmembers having spent some time with BOC. Apparently that AP writer thought it was true. -- Jeff From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu May 18 09:49:47 2006 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:49:47 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand Message-ID: Dear List, I finally managed to install Real player on my stubborn, obstinate PC who suffers badly from instutional policies and restrictive firewalls etc. I am now listening to the Roadburn recording for the first time, Spirit of the Age has just started and is picking up momentum.... I've just shur nu etss for a sedinf ehuklr I drifted off (I just shut my eyes for a second &and drifted off) - I'm at the festival!! In reality I'm tied to my chair at work but this has made me day, headphones on woohooo. Excellent recording! Maxine From dave at ASSASSINSOFSILENCE.COM Thu May 18 13:39:53 2006 From: dave at ASSASSINSOFSILENCE.COM (Dave Adams) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:39:53 +0100 Subject: Space Rock in the shire this Saturday Message-ID: At the Grand Junction High St Buckingham This Saturday 20th May. Assassins of Silence + Dayshift + the Alice Syndrome. Space Rock DJ Kozmik Ken and lights by Photon Weaver. Entry only ?2 8pm til midnight. Raffle to win a guitar and amp too See you hee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu May 18 15:44:10 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:44:10 +0000 Subject: Mike Burro looking for a gig(s) in England ( 2nd half of August ) Message-ID: Hi all, I've been invited to England during the 2nd half of August. it will be a very short trip, probably about 5 days total ( meanaing only 3-4 days in England itself ). Manyof you know I've been trying to work this out for some time and it always falls through. Since I'm working again here in the states, I'll be taking off 2-3 days so I would likely leave the U.S. on a Thursday and Return the following Monday. Friday, Sat & Sunday would be the days for a show..Please drop a line to Sloterdijk at msn.com if you know of a venue, festival or event where i might be able to get on the bill...Peace, Mike Burro http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu May 18 19:00:28 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:00:28 +0100 Subject: OT Psytrax 2 Message-ID: I know this thread is 3 months old but if anyone wants a copy still, then it's now available on the Dead Earnest sales pages as I finally got down to a much needed revamp, and I'm still not convinced it's 100% right, but go to: www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/sales.htm if you fancy a copy - after all, it's only ?1.50 plus postage. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: tim elliott To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: album slagging Apropos of nothing, Andy G, when's the new Psytrax going to be available?? tim 8>)... On 3/29/06, Cyberkrel wrote: > > heyyyyyyy - what you said was just fine - no criticism intended - just > pointing out that there's a whole world of great music out there beyond > the > Hawkwind universe - as I'm sure you'll find out in due course. > Stay chilled and don't overdo the wine - or the Blair meister may just > decide to ban it if he thinks it's unhealthy!! > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Deborah Vacano > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:59 AM > Subject: Re: album slagging > > > > Well fine... > > Listen to these bands and close your eyes with a nice glass of wine.. > > and enjoy yourself then.. > > > > I was just trying to help mellow some people out and suggest that maybe > > they should give those albums they were slagging another turn.. > > they were slaggin' on some of the best ones.. OUCH.. > > > > Thank you Mike .. Rock On space Brother!! > > > > > > Now, I need to get out my pen and paper and jot some of these names > down.. > > there are so many good space rock bands these days .. > > > > Peace, > > Deborah > > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > > > > > > > Jerry G wrote: > > > Cyberkrel wrote: > > >> EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely > > >> can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to > > >> choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you > > >> can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that > > >> could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space > > >> Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to > > >> name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than > > >> Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it > > >> follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these > > >> in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue > > >> from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerne > > > > > > I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, > > > Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air > > > play here). > > > > - From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Fri May 19 15:10:22 2006 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:10:22 -0500 Subject: A few discography questions Message-ID: Are "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures" and "Atomhenge" really from Hammersmith Odeon, October 5 1976? I had the impression they were actually from Bristol Colston Hall... my memory may be inaccurate though. Also... can someone repost the ACTUAL track order for the Weird Tapes 7 CD (Dave Brock Demos)? John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri May 19 15:56:01 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:56:01 +0200 Subject: A few discography questions In-Reply-To: <000601c67b77$e120b6a0$0202a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: Hi John Both releases are identical and NOT from London 05.10.1976 You are right. They are from Bristol Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of John Majka Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:10 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: A few discography questions Are "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures" and "Atomhenge" really from Hammersmith Odeon, October 5 1976? I had the impression they were actually from Bristol Colston Hall... my memory may be inaccurate though. Also... can someone repost the ACTUAL track order for the Weird Tapes 7 CD (Dave Brock Demos)? John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri May 19 17:08:15 2006 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Mike Godwin) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:08:15 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 15 May 2006 to 16 May 2006 (#2006-109) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting BOC-L automatic digest system : > Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:06:33 +0100 > From: Charlie Grant > Subject: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME > > BOC get a mention in this weeks New Musical Express. > In a review of a Sunshine Underground gig (".....The Sunshine Underground > are suddenly transformed into the whooshing electro-rock monster that they > always had in them to become") > I quote - "The cowbell is a curious instrument. Once the sole preserve of > either denim clad > '70s hairballs (check out Free's 'All Right Now' and Blue Oyster Cult's > mighty 'DFtR')" > I didn't know there was a cowbell in All Right Now - but who cares when the > NME > calls BOC mighty :-))))) * Charlie, I hate to butt in but the signs are that your ears are not unclothlike. Simon Kirke goes: DOP KIK DOPPA KIK DA DOP KIK DOPPA KIK all the way through the intro, and as far as I know each of those KIKs is a cowbell. But for mega-cowbell, Corky Laing on Mississippi Queen is the big one! Is he still playing with Mountain? I'll find out on Wednesday! - Mike Godwin n.p. Travlin in the Dark, can't see a thing, travlin in the DARK [la la, la-la la LA, li la la-la LA la-la LA LAH!] - Mountain From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri May 19 18:50:31 2006 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:50:31 EDT Subject: A few discography questions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/19/2006 3:11:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmajk at INDY.RR.COM writes: Also... can someone repost the ACTUAL track order for the Weird Tapes 7 CD (Dave Brock Demos)? Track listing as given (_http://www.hawkwind.com/alb/sr_w07.htm_ (http://www.hawkwind.com/alb/sr_w07.htm) ): 1. Streets of Fear 2. First Landing on Medusa 3. Touchdown 4. Winter of Discontent 5. Choose Your Masques 6. Looking in the Future 7. Space Travellers 8. Circles 9. Speed of Light (Transdimentional Man) 10. Bombed Out Track listing I figgered out: 1. Choose Your Masques 2.Looking in the Future (3:39) 3.Looking in the Future, again (four seconds longer, 3:43) 4. Space Travellers 5.This is 'Disintegration.' 6.Circles 7.Speed of Light (Transdimensional Man) 8.(sounds like instrumental of 'Looking in the Future' @ 4:01) 9.Streets of Fear 10. First Landing on Medusa 11.Winter of Discontent 'Bombed Out' and 'Touchdown' are the 'mystery' tracks; early titles? Joe From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Fri May 19 19:23:03 2006 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 00:23:03 +0100 Subject: A few discography questions Message-ID: Track listing from Voiceprint site http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/web/Release/HAWKVP14CD/ 1. Choose Your Masks 2. Looking In The Future 3. Looking In The Future ( Take 2 ) 4. Space Travellers 5. Disintegration 6. Circles 7. Speed Of Light 8. Bombed Out 9. Streets Of Fear 10. First Landing On Medusa / Touchdown 11. Winter Of Discontent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: A few discography questions > In a message dated 5/19/2006 3:11:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmajk at INDY.RR.COM writes: > > Also... can someone repost the ACTUAL track order for the Weird Tapes 7 > CD > (Dave Brock Demos)? > Track listing as given (_http://www.hawkwind.com/alb/sr_w07.htm_ > (http://www.hawkwind.com/alb/sr_w07.htm) ): > > > 1. Streets of Fear > 2. First Landing on Medusa > 3. Touchdown > 4. Winter of Discontent > 5. Choose Your Masques > 6. Looking in the Future > 7. Space Travellers > 8. Circles > 9. Speed of Light (Transdimentional Man) > 10. Bombed Out > > Track listing I figgered out: > > 1. Choose Your Masques > 2.Looking in the Future (3:39) > 3.Looking in the Future, again (four seconds longer, 3:43) > 4. Space Travellers > 5.This is 'Disintegration.' > 6.Circles > 7.Speed of Light (Transdimensional Man) > 8.(sounds like instrumental of 'Looking in the Future' @ 4:01) > 9.Streets of Fear > 10. First Landing on Medusa > 11.Winter of Discontent > > 'Bombed Out' and 'Touchdown' are the 'mystery' tracks; early titles? > > Joe > > __________ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat May 20 07:37:19 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:37:19 +0100 Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT In-Reply-To: <005b01c677c6$100c7680$0100a8c0@savje> Message-ID: The full three verse version of "I Love The Night" is available on the Buck Dharma Archives and is a must-have for any serious BOC fans. It also contains demos of "DFTR", "Godzilla" plus early versions of ETI (which is called "Heavy Traffic"). CD 4 is Buck's side band from the late 80s called The Red and The Black. Lots of original Buck Dharma material there too along with a decent version of "Perfect Water". Tony PS Oh yes, the Archives are available at www.buckdharma.com PPS I am not on commission! PPPS The Archives are not cheap but they're worth every penny. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Adam Savje Sent: 15 May 2006 03:20 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT yes i noticed the alternate lyrics. anyone have source? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rus Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT Toad's Place, New Haven CT The Red and the Black Harvester of Eyes Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Trans-Maniacon MC ME-262 Golden Age of Leather Last Days of May Godzilla (Don't Fear the) Reaper *Cities on Flame *7 Screaming Diz-Busters *Hot Rails to Hell Memorial Hall, Plymouth MA Joan Crawford Cities on Flame Burning for You E.T.I. I Love the Night Buck's Boogie Harvester of Eyes Golden Age of Leather Astronomy Godzilla (Don't Fear the) Reaper *Black Blade *7 Screaming Diz-Busters Did anyone there pick up that Buck sang alternate lyrics at the end of I Love the Night? _________________________________________________________________ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat May 20 07:42:09 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:42:09 +0100 Subject: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT In-Reply-To: <40592B27-0B0B-48BC-9035-A9B60A83284D@cellsum.com> Message-ID: I Love The Night (full length three verses) is on Buck's Archive series, Albert. A fully remixed version for Spectres would be cool too though. Similarly, the UK prog band Porcupine Tree just re-released a 5.1 mix of their 1998 album "Stupid Dream" which contains the original 14 minute version of the magnificent "Even Less" as well as the original. You can never have enough I Love The Nights. Albert, according to the BOCFAQ there was enough material recorded for Spectres to make it into a double album. Wasn't "In The Presence of Another World" originally demo'd for Spectres? Why was so much left out and never released? CBS must have been missing a trick.... Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Albert Bouchard Sent: 14 May 2006 14:12 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC Setlists for Plymouth Ma and New Haven CT There was a verse cut out of the original recording. I wonder if it was that. BTW maybe they'll put it back in the reissue. I should ask Don. Al On May 14, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Rus Hall wrote: > > I Love the Night > Buck's Boogie > Harvester of Eyes > Golden Age of Leather > Astronomy > Godzilla > (Don't Fear the) Reaper > *Black Blade > *7 Screaming Diz-Busters > > > Did anyone there pick up that Buck sang alternate lyrics at the end > of I Love the Night? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure > of a lifetime > http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 21 06:53:16 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:53:16 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New SPACE ROCK, Drool Trough and Avant-Garde shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MAY 21, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #151), Drool Trough Radio (show #47, and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #43). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock the past couple weeks: The new Mooch CD on Andy G's Dead Earnest label, and a fantastic follow up to their In Search of the Acid Metal Grille album. The new album by Danish psych rockers On Trial (CD & LP). And while I was ordering from the Bad Afro label I picked up a bunch of Baby Woodrose vinyl & CD's. KILLER 60's influenced fuzz-garage-psych rock! I've got the latest from the Psychedelic Avengers (2-CD soundtrack to your own imaginary sci-fi movie). I've got the LP version of Marble Sheep's The Gate Of A Heavenly Body. Volume 4 of Dario Antonetti's Vegetable Man Project CD, featuring bands from around the work doing their very unique interpretations of Syd Barrett's "Vegetable Man". I've got some vinyl from Nasoni Records, including the LP version of the killer new Strange Flowers album, plus restocks of Siena Root, Polytoxicomane Philharmonie and Octopus Syng, and a bunch of others from the earlier stockings (lots of Nasoni CD restocks on the way). Plus I've restocked Mandra Gora Lightshow Society's "More Tales From Lucille's Cosmic Trip" LP, and their split 7" with Cherry Overdrive. Finally... on the way from Sweden at this very moment... NEW Spacious Mind and related CD's. Stay tuned. For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #151) Tivol ? ?Tivoloid part 1? (from Interstellar Overbike) Mooch ? ?Emerald? (from Gaiaspace) Krom Lek - "Corruptaplod" (from From Long Meg To Glastonbury Tor) Incandescent Sky ? ?Ataranxiety? (from Paths and Angles) Baby Woodrose ? ?Honeydripper? (from Money For Soul) On Trial ? ?Going South? (from Forever) First Band From Outer Space ? ?Utan att veta? (from Impressionable Sounds of the Subsonic) Nukli - "The Dance of a Thousand Spliffs" (from Return of the Festival Band) Space Junk ? ?Space Junk? (from Space Junk) Skyron Orchestra ? ?My World Salvation? (from Situations) Vopat ? ?Calling Stops? (from Silhouette) Headquarters ? ?Tunnel Vision? (from Psychedelica Vol. 1: The Third Wave of Psychedelia) Mike Black ? ?Go/No-Go = 7m43s? (from Go/No-Go) Drool Trough Radio (show #47) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. The Barbarellatones ? ?Tranni Troglodite? (from Coldsore) Babylonian Tiles ? ?Each Dying Breath? (from Teknicolour Aftermath) Litter & Leech ? ?Looking for Paul? (from Litter & Leech) Rik Wright ? ?Hummingbirds Don?t Sing? (from Even Odds) Bronx Cheerleader ? ?The Assault? (from Tough Guy Cliches) Human Host ? ?Escape From The Organ Chamber? (Exploding Demon) JDJ Band ? ?Rising From My Grave? (from Cruel Way) The Destroyed ? ?Coming Home? (from Russian Roulette) Demented Are Go ? ?Hotrod Vampires? (from Hellbilly Storm) Baby Sweetcorn ? ?Anhelar? (from Ghosts and Sunsets) Like A Fox ? ?Heavy Soothing? (from Like A Fox) The Mackrosoft ? ?The Art of Rollin?? (from Antonio?s Giraffe) The High Pink Clouds ? ?Adolescent Machine? (from The High Pink Clouds) Abiku ? ?Ironside? (from Location) Robert Lawson ? ?The Red Beard and the Broom? (from Faster and Faster Until We Turn Into Light) Sonic Music ? ?Please Do Not Lock the Door to Your Heart? (from The Prisoner) Joshua Brookoff ? ?Political Song? (from E.S.P. for Dummies) Rebecca Hart ? ?Planets? (from Crash & Strum) Bitrate ? ?Benevolent Ben? (from Subaltern Affidavit) Ghost of the Russian Empire ? ?NOV 2070? (from With Fiercest Demolition) Swagger Jack - "Bad Politics" (from The feral blood of Swagger Jack) Rennick ? ?Curse of Time? (from To The Skies) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #43) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Tri-Cornered Tent Show ? ?Dark Heritage/Heart of Midnight? (from The Foolkiller) Big City Orchestrre ? ?Hypnodrone? (from Fresh Prezzies) Emily Hay and Marcos Fernandes ? ?Inside the Box? (from We Are) Monotract ? ?F*cking Randolph? (from Live in Japan) Blue Collar ? ?61? (from Lovely Hazel) Industrious Noise ? ?Trio? (from Industrious Noise) Na ? ?Song of Roma? (from Naisnice) Ellen Burr ? ?Senbazuru? (from Duos) The Choir Boys ? ?Impromptu Lateral Drop? (from With Strings) Ginger Leigh ? ?A Song For Two Marionettes? (from Sparrow Wings) Zelienople ? ?Seroquel? (from Ink) MWVM ? ?Wasted Year? (from MWVM) http://Aural-Innovations.com From CWarburton at OAG.COM Sun May 21 07:30:52 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:30:52 +0100 Subject: OFF:Cowbell Message-ID: Corky was still behind the traps the last time I saw Mountain - and on fine form - he didn't THROW drumsticks into the crowd, he bounced them off his top tomtoms. One went so high that it bounced off a roof girder and came back forwards, hitting a poor unsuspecting girl on the back of the head... she was a little surprised (and sore) to say the least! Cheers ChrisW NP: Down On the Ground - Wayne Kramer -----Original Message----- But for mega-cowbell, Corky Laing on Mississippi Queen is the big one! Is he still playing with Mountain? I'll find out on Wednesday! - Mike Godwin This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 22 12:35:56 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:35:56 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 20:05 +0000, hawk lord wrote: > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > I'm pleased to post the following: > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > the > direct link to the on demand webcast: > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 > minutes of > pure spacerock mayhem... I figured I'd better get around to listening to this because, in the past, I find they usually disappear by the time I eventually make a visit. :-) Also, with that in mind, I thought I'd best save a copy of the webcast to disk in case it does eventually disappear. For those who might also want to do that (instead of fiddling with re-recording the output of their sound card, which might be noisy), here is what I did: I had a look at the Web page source to determine the URL of the stream. I ended up with this: "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind" That discovered, it was a simple matter to use mplayer to save the stream to disk: mplayer 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm This gave me (after 74 minutes of streaming) a copy of the RealMedia webcast in the file Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm. If you want to burn the RealMedia file to CD, you can also use mplayer to convert it to WAV to make that easier: mplayer Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm -ao pcm:file=Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.wav This uses the pcm disk audio output to create a WAV file in the file specified after "file=". You could then use audacity, CDWAV, or some other WAV audio editor to split this up into separate tracks for burning. Alternatively, you could author a CUE sheet and use something like cdrdao to burn the single large WAV file as separate audio tracks to CD. (To that end, if anyone has gone to the bother of splitting this up into separate tracks, would you let me know the mm:ss:ff lengths of your tracks, or otherwise where you placed the split points. That would make it much easier for me to author a CUE file to split up the webcast into separate tracks. [I can use shntool to do the actual splitting.]) Mplayer is available as open source for Unix systems. I believe there is also a port to MS-Windows. You might also be able to use VLC to play/record the stream, as it understands the RTSP protocol. > Enjoy it! I am! Many thanks to the band for allowing this to be streamed! Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 22 17:53:33 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:53:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME Message-ID: Following on from this (now last) week's NAME, BOC also got a mention in the same weeks Erring! - and again under the more cowbell banner. In an article entitled '25 classic rock anthems you must own' the 17th on the list, in no particular order was as follows (and I quote): MORE COWBELL! (Don't Fear) The Reaper / Blue Oyster Cult. Death and romance in one easy package - what better song for HIM to cover on their 'Greatest Love Songs, Vole 666' debut? Although BOC's Buck Dharma disputes it, the song is generally thought to be about suicide. Find it: 'Agents of Fortune', 1976. 2 BOC mentions in the British music press in one week! Long live the cowbell :-)) The list of rock anthems also included such stuff as GM'S, Motley Cure, Bon Jove, Rainbow, Deep Purple and Alice (not forgetting the Final countdown by Europe) Charles the Grinning Boy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Godwin" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 15 May 2006 to 16 May 2006 (#2006-109) > Quoting BOC-L automatic digest system : >> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:06:33 +0100 >> From: Charlie Grant >> Subject: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME >> >> BOC get a mention in this weeks New Musical Express. >> In a review of a Sunshine Underground gig (".....The Sunshine Underground >> are suddenly transformed into the whooshing electro-rock monster that >> they >> always had in them to become") >> I quote - "The cowbell is a curious instrument. Once the sole preserve of >> either denim clad >> '70s hairballs (check out Free's 'All Right Now' and Blue Oyster Cult's >> mighty 'DFtR')" >> I didn't know there was a cowbell in All Right Now - but who cares when >> the >> NME >> calls BOC mighty :-))))) > > * Charlie, I hate to butt in but the signs are that your ears are not > unclothlike. Simon Kirke goes: > DOP KIK DOPPA KIK DA DOP KIK DOPPA KIK > all the way through the intro, and as far as I know each of those KIKs is > a cowbell. > > But for mega-cowbell, Corky Laing on Mississippi Queen is the big one! Is > he still playing with Mountain? I'll find out on Wednesday! > > - Mike Godwin > > n.p. Travlin in the Dark, can't see a thing, travlin in the DARK [la la, > la-la la LA, li la la-la LA la-la LA LAH!] - Mountain From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Mon May 22 18:03:40 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:03:40 +0100 Subject: More cowbell - this weeks NME Message-ID: Ahh - I must have some sort of auto spelling correction thing. Last message should reference NME (not NAME) and Kerrang! not Erring. .......CtGB. From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Tue May 23 02:32:14 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:32:14 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: times for tracks on roadburn as follows... right stuff - 8.31 sword of the east - 6.19 greenback massacre - 4.27 7 by 7 - 5.21 out here we are - 6.19 angela andriod - 7.03 love in space - 4.52 lord of light - 4.57 paradox - 7.03 spirit of the age - 6.53 psi power - 6.58 hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 john-paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 20:05 +0000, hawk lord wrote: > > > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn Festivals, > > I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand -here's > > the > > direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's 74 > > minutes of > > pure spacerock mayhem... > > I figured I'd better get around to listening to this because, in the > past, I find they usually disappear by the time I eventually make a > visit. :-) Also, with that in mind, I thought I'd best save a copy of > the webcast to disk in case it does eventually disappear. > > For those who might also want to do that (instead of fiddling with > re-recording the output of their sound card, which might be noisy), here > is what I did: > > I had a look at the Web page source to determine the URL of the stream. > I ended up with this: > > "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind" > > That discovered, it was a simple matter to use mplayer to save the > stream to disk: > > mplayer 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm > > This gave me (after 74 minutes of streaming) a copy of the RealMedia > webcast in the file Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm. > > If you want to burn the RealMedia file to CD, you can also use mplayer > to convert it to WAV to make that easier: > > mplayer Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm -ao pcm:file=Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.wav > > This uses the pcm disk audio output to create a WAV file in the file > specified after "file=". > > You could then use audacity, CDWAV, or some other WAV audio editor to > split this up into separate tracks for burning. Alternatively, you > could author a CUE sheet and use something like cdrdao to burn the > single large WAV file as separate audio tracks to CD. > > (To that end, if anyone has gone to the bother of splitting this up into > separate tracks, would you let me know the mm:ss:ff lengths of your > tracks, or otherwise where you placed the split points. That would make > it much easier for me to author a CUE file to split up the webcast into > separate tracks. [I can use shntool to do the actual splitting.]) > > Mplayer is available as open source for Unix systems. I believe there > is also a port to MS-Windows. You might also be able to use VLC to > play/record the stream, as it understands the RTSP protocol. > > > Enjoy it! > > I am! Many thanks to the band for allowing this to be streamed! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 23 03:53:07 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:53:07 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148315756.875.22.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 22 May 2006, at 17:35, Paul Mather wrote: > Mplayer is available as open source for Unix systems. I believe there > is also a port to MS-Windows. You might also be able to use VLC to > play/record the stream, as it understands the RTSP protocol. Mplayer exists for OS X, but my hasty attempts to find an install something only coughed up GUI-oriented versions which were very pretty, but they didn't seem to give me the level of control that the command-line version would, and I couldn't get them to dump me the stream. Doubtless one could compile the source as was does for Linux, but I don't have all the Dev tools installed (and, I think, probably don't have room on my drive for all those!) VLC offered much better control through its GUI, but I think the problem was that it (or my installation) doesn't have a codec to handle .rm files, so I didn't quite make it there, either. If anyone has a better idea about how to catch the straight .rm file, or how to capture it from OS X, do let me know :) I heard a 10 or 15 minutes of the stream whilst furtling about, and it sounds really very good, but there's no way I'll ever have a chance to sit down at home and listen to all 74 minutes at a go! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 23 05:58:37 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:58:37 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148315756.875.22.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 22/05/2006 17:35, Paul Mather wrote: > That discovered, it was a simple matter to use mplayer to save the > stream to disk: > mplayer 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm Embarassingly, I think I ended up closer on my Windows machine using mplayer! :P But not quite there .... I ran that mplayer command: ----- C:\Program Files\mplayer>mplayer 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm ----- But it didn't seem happy with the spaces in that URL: ----- Playing 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind. File not found: 'streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind' Failed to open 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind Playing -. Reading from stdin... ----- ... which wasn't very much use ;) Are those spaces really there in the URL? But then I tried just taking them out, but that didn't work either. Any thoughts? The darned streaming page still streams merrily enough! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 23 06:11:40 2006 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:11:40 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <000e01c67e32$a15ab9e0$506b6b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Incorporating the Asassins of Allah old topic. Meant to reply to this a while back? When I think of it I would be happy for the band to drop this song but each time I hear it live (like Angels of Death) I enjoy it. A couple of friends of mine came to the Astoria at Xmas and both said Hasan I Sahba, as it was in it's original form, was the song they enjoyed the most and one of them hadn't properly seen the band for 25 years! Personally would love to hear Kings of Speed in the set. Eddie. >From: john-paul >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:32:14 +0100 > >times for tracks on roadburn as follows... > >right stuff - 8.31 >sword of the east - 6.19 >greenback massacre - 4.27 >7 by 7 - 5.21 >out here we are - 6.19 >angela andriod - 7.03 >love in space - 4.52 >lord of light - 4.57 >paradox - 7.03 >spirit of the age - 6.53 >psi power - 6.58 >hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 > >john-paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Mather" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:35 PM >Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > > > > On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 20:05 +0000, hawk lord wrote: > > > > > On behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers, the organisor of the Roadburn >Festivals, > > > I'm pleased to post the following: > > > > > > Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on >demand -here's > > > the > > > direct link to the on demand webcast: > > > > > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/player/audio.jsp?audionumber=28266607 > > > > > > Dave Brock has remixed the recordings especially for the webcast -it's >74 > > > minutes of > > > pure spacerock mayhem... > > > > I figured I'd better get around to listening to this because, in the > > past, I find they usually disappear by the time I eventually make a > > visit. :-) Also, with that in mind, I thought I'd best save a copy of > > the webcast to disk in case it does eventually disappear. > > > > For those who might also want to do that (instead of fiddling with > > re-recording the output of their sound card, which might be noisy), here > > is what I did: > > > > I had a look at the Web page source to determine the URL of the stream. > > I ended up with this: > > > > "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - >Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind" > > > > That discovered, it was a simple matter to use mplayer to save the > > stream to disk: > > > > mplayer >'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - >Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile >Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm > > > > This gave me (after 74 minutes of streaming) a copy of the RealMedia > > webcast in the file Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm. > > > > If you want to burn the RealMedia file to CD, you can also use mplayer > > to convert it to WAV to make that easier: > > > > mplayer Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm -ao >pcm:file=Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.wav > > > > This uses the pcm disk audio output to create a WAV file in the file > > specified after "file=". > > > > You could then use audacity, CDWAV, or some other WAV audio editor to > > split this up into separate tracks for burning. Alternatively, you > > could author a CUE sheet and use something like cdrdao to burn the > > single large WAV file as separate audio tracks to CD. > > > > (To that end, if anyone has gone to the bother of splitting this up into > > separate tracks, would you let me know the mm:ss:ff lengths of your > > tracks, or otherwise where you placed the split points. That would make > > it much easier for me to author a CUE file to split up the webcast into > > separate tracks. [I can use shntool to do the actual splitting.]) > > > > Mplayer is available as open source for Unix systems. I believe there > > is also a port to MS-Windows. You might also be able to use VLC to > > play/record the stream, as it understands the RTSP protocol. > > > > > Enjoy it! > > > > I am! Many thanks to the band for allowing this to be streamed! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > From gg at SIO4.COM Tue May 23 06:19:59 2006 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:19:59 +0200 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <4472DCCD.3030903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Embarassingly, I think I ended up closer on my Windows machine using > mplayer! :P But not quite there .... I ran that mplayer command: > ----- > C:\Program Files\mplayer>mplayer > 'rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind - > Roadburn 2006&author=Hawkwind' -dumpstream -dumpfile > Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm on my windows machine is working removing ' and changing the spaces with %20 Here's my command: mplayer rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind%20-%20Roadburn%202006&author=Hawkwind -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 23 06:38:17 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:38:17 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <4472E1CF.6030106@sio4.com> Message-ID: On 23/05/2006 11:19, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > on my windows machine is working removing ' and changing the spaces with > %20 > Here's my command: > mplayer > rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind%20-%20Roadburn%202006&author=Hawkwind > -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm Ah ha! That seems to have started working! Many thanks :) Now I just have to sit tight while I wait for it to spin through, then I can try the clever plan to turn it into a WAV .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 23 07:22:02 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:22:02 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <4472E619.3030804@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 11:38 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 23/05/2006 11:19, Pierluigi Fumi wrote: > > on my windows machine is working removing ' and changing the spaces with > > %20 > > Here's my command: > > mplayer > > rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm?title=Hawkwind%20-%20Roadburn%202006&author=Hawkwind > > -dumpstream -dumpfile Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm > > Ah ha! That seems to have started working! Many thanks :) > > Now I just have to sit tight while I wait for it to spin through, then I > can try the clever plan to turn it into a WAV .... Unfortunately, there seemed to be some line-breaking of the commands I sent in the original e-mail, but URL-escaping the spaces (replacing them with %20) is one way around the problem. I actually found that you can get rid of everything after the "surestream.rm" part and it will still work. In other words, use just "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm" as the stream URL. I also found that by changing the number between the "vpro/" and "/surestream.rm" parts in the URL you can capture other streams from the festival. For example, use 28245063 as the id to listen to the rather tasty Bevis Frond set (featuring Bari Watts in the lineup). I'll post the other stream ids (for Orange Goblin, Gorilla, etc.) when I finish making a list of them. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 23 10:36:46 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:46 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148383322.923.15.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 23/05/2006 12:22, Paul Mather wrote: > I actually found that you can get rid of everything after the > "surestream.rm" part and it will still work. In other words, use just > "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm" as the stream > URL. Yup, that seems to be working, too. (My first go got interrupted, so I had to restart anyway ....) How big does the HW Roadburn .rm work out to be? My instance of mplayer doesn't seem to be counting out percentages to let me know how it's doing, but the "Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm" in its directory is dutifully getting larger. I'm capturing _something_ .... :) (Some googling also suggested to me that the command-line version of mplayer is buried deep within with the bundled .app (as I might have guessed, really, if I hadn't been rushed), so I might have a go at that back home, too.) > I also found that by changing the number between the "vpro/" and > "/surestream.rm" parts in the URL you can capture other streams from the > festival. For example, use 28245063 as the id to listen to the rather > tasty Bevis Frond set (featuring Bari Watts in the lineup). I'll post > the other stream ids (for Orange Goblin, Gorilla, etc.) when I finish > making a list of them. Groovy! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue May 23 11:36:36 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:36:36 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 May 2006 to 23 May 2006 (#2006-116) Message-ID: I used Wiretap to capture the stream. If you don't want to incur any costs (*G*) the free version will only record cleanly in one format (.wav IIRC) - it will do most other audio formats, but it puts a voiceover on the track at intervals until it's paid for. It's v.cheap anyway, and works well. Cheers ChrisW NP: Windom Street by Joe Lovano ------------------------------ From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Mplayer exists for OS X, but my hasty attempts to find an install >something only coughed up GUI-oriented versions which were very >pretty, but they didn't seem to give me the level of control that the >command-line version would, and I couldn't get them to dump me the >stream. Doubtless one could compile the source as was does for >Linux, but I don't have all the Dev tools installed (and, I think, >probably don't have room on my drive for all those!) > >VLC offered much better control through its GUI, but I think the >problem was that it (or my installation) doesn't have a codec to >handle .rm files, so I didn't quite make it there, either. > >If anyone has a better idea about how to catch the straight .rm file, >or how to capture it from OS X, do let me know :) I heard a 10 or 15 >minutes of the stream whilst furtling about, and it sounds really >very good, but there's no way I'll ever have a chance to sit down at >home and listen to all 74 minutes at a go! > This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. 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By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. OAG Worldwide Limited is a company registered in England and Wales (registered number 4226716), with its registered office at Church Street, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, LU5 4HB, United Kingdom. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 23 12:36:51 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:36:51 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44731DFE.8090706@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 15:36 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 23/05/2006 12:22, Paul Mather wrote: > > I actually found that you can get rid of everything after the > > "surestream.rm" part and it will still work. In other words, use just > > "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/28266607/surestream.rm" as the stream > > URL. > > Yup, that seems to be working, too. (My first go got interrupted, so I > had to restart anyway ....) > > How big does the HW Roadburn .rm work out to be? My instance of mplayer > doesn't seem to be counting out percentages to let me know how it's > doing, but the "Hawkwind_Roadburn_2006.rm" in its directory is dutifully > getting larger. I'm capturing _something_ .... :) Mine ended up at roughly 52 MB. > (Some googling also suggested to me that the command-line version of > mplayer is buried deep within with the bundled .app (as I might have > guessed, really, if I hadn't been rushed), so I might have a go at that > back home, too.) The version I built from the FreeBSD ports results in two binaries: mplayer and gmplayer. Mplayer is the command line version and gmplayer is the GUI. I use mplayer 99% of the time. I think the problem you'll have on OS X is the availability of a RealMedia codec that works with mplayer. Hopefully, the free RealPlayer library will be supported. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue May 23 15:44:16 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:44:16 +0000 Subject: OEB gig reminder: Buzz's ( Courthouse ) Tavern, Mt. Holly, NJ, Thursday 5/25 Message-ID: In celebration of Mike's 20th year as a professional musician, The One Eyed Bishops are pleased to announce the following LIVE AUDITION performance at The Courthouse Tavern ( formerly Buzz's Sports Bar ) in Mt. Holly, New Jersey, Thursday May 25th!! Please see venue info at: http://www.mounthollycourthousetavern.com/ 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of Mike playing live with his own bands, beginning with The Observation in 1986. The first paid performance took place in March of 1986. This next appearance will be the 2nd in the 20th anniversary season, the first being the SLOTERDIJK radio concert in Amsterdam this past March. Please come join us on the 25th..It's an open mic event, so feel free to bring an instrument!! We're using this night as an opportunity to audition live for a full length paid slot at the venue later this summer..We need your support, so come on out to historic Mt. Holly and have a few pints!! Punters welcome mates!!! Also don't forget about the 2nd annual 'Highway To Healthcare', biker run/festival for Deborah Heart & Lung Center, July 16th..The One Eyed Bishops will be doing a full length set, and there may well be some special guestsl!!! see: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Also keep in mind, THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO ALL!!! OK, hope to see some of you along the way!!!! Peace, The OEBs http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk PS: To book SLOTERDIJK or The One Eyed Bishops, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com In celebration of Mike's 20th year as a professional musician, The One Eyed Bishops are pleased to announce the following LIVE AUDITION performance at The Courthouse Tavern ( formerly Buzz's Sports Bar ) in Mt. Holly, New Jersey, Thursday May 25th!! Please see venue info at: http://www.mounthollycourthousetavern.com/ 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of Mike playing live with his own bands, beginning with The Observation in 1986. The first paid performance took place in March of 1986. This next appearance will be the 2nd in the 20th anniversary season, the first being the SLOTERDIJK radio concert in Amsterdam this past March. Please come join us on the 25th..It's an open mic event, so feel free to bring an instrument!! We're using this night as an opportunity to audition live for a full length paid slot at the venue later this summer..We need your support, so come on out to historic Mt. Holly and have a few pints!! Punters welcome mates!!! Also don't forget about the 2nd annual 'Highway To Healthcare', biker run/festival for Deborah Heart & Lung Center, July 16th..The One Eyed Bishops will be doing a full length set, and there may well be some special guestsl!!! see: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Also keep in mind, THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO ALL!!! OK, hope to see some of you along the way!!!! Peace, The OEBs http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk PS: To book SLOTERDIJK or The One Eyed Bishops, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com In celebration of Mike's 20th year as a professional musician, The One Eyed Bishops are pleased to announce the following LIVE AUDITION performance at The Courthouse Tavern ( formerly Buzz's Sports Bar ) in Mt. Holly, New Jersey, Thursday May 25th!! Please see venue info at: http://www.mounthollycourthousetavern.com/ 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of Mike playing live with his own bands, beginning with The Observation in 1986. The first paid performance took place in March of 1986. This next appearance will be the 2nd in the 20th anniversary season, the first being the SLOTERDIJK radio concert in Amsterdam this past March. Please come join us on the 25th..It's an open mic event, so feel free to bring an instrument!! We're using this night as an opportunity to audition live for a full length paid slot at the venue later this summer..We need your support, so come on out to historic Mt. Holly and have a few pints!! Punters welcome mates!!! Also don't forget about the 2nd annual 'Highway To Healthcare', biker run/festival for Deborah Heart & Lung Center, July 16th..The One Eyed Bishops will be doing a full length set, and there may well be some special guestsl!!! see: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Also keep in mind, THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO ALL!!! OK, hope to see some of you along the way!!!! Peace, The OEBs http://www.freewebs.com/oebs http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk PS: To book SLOTERDIJK or The One Eyed Bishops, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 23 17:50:54 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:50:54 +0100 Subject: Roadburn 2006 Webcast streams Message-ID: Here, as promised, is the list of available Roadburn 2006 Webcast streams for your listening pleasure: Band: Stream ID ===== ========= Hawkwind: 28266607 Bevis Frond: 28245063 Brant Bjork: 28157078 Gorilla: 28144649 Orange Goblin: 28144640 Witchcraft: 28144656 Solace: 28076809 Leafhound: 28076634 Ufomammut: 28070787 The Heads: 28070781 Orange Sunshine: 28070776 Colour Haze: 28070771 Toner Low: 28070819 Spaceship Landing: 28070813 End of Level Boss: 28070798 Astrosoniq: 28070793 Abramis Brama: 28070716 To listen to a given stream, point your streaming audio client at the URL "rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/vpro/STREAM_ID/surestream.rm", replacing "STREAM_ID" with the appropriate eight digit stream id number from the list above. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the list; I cribbed it from the Roadburn 2006 Webcast Web page HTML source. It seems to be accurate on listening so far. (I'm listening to Colour Haze right now.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 23 18:00:04 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:00:04 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <000e01c67e32$a15ab9e0$506b6b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... > > right stuff - 8.31 > sword of the east - 6.19 > greenback massacre - 4.27 > 7 by 7 - 5.21 > out here we are - 6.19 > angela andriod - 7.03 > love in space - 4.52 > lord of light - 4.57 > paradox - 7.03 > spirit of the age - 6.53 > psi power - 6.58 > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 > > john-paul Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their (Palestine)" off into a separate track... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Wed May 24 02:47:49 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" i didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" as a song in its own right jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: > > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... > > > > right stuff - 8.31 > > sword of the east - 6.19 > > greenback massacre - 4.27 > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 > > out here we are - 6.19 > > angela andriod - 7.03 > > love in space - 4.52 > > lord of light - 4.57 > > paradox - 7.03 > > spirit of the age - 6.53 > > psi power - 6.58 > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 > > > > john-paul > > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 24 03:37:32 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:37:32 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <000a01c67efd$faac4f60$99656b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly ;-) >From: john-paul >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 > >hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" i >didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >as >a song in its own right >jp >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Mather" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > > > > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: > > > > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... > > > > > > right stuff - 8.31 > > > sword of the east - 6.19 > > > greenback massacre - 4.27 > > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 > > > out here we are - 6.19 > > > angela andriod - 7.03 > > > love in space - 4.52 > > > lord of light - 4.57 > > > paradox - 7.03 > > > spirit of the age - 6.53 > > > psi power - 6.58 > > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 > > > > > > john-paul > > > > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their > > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 24 06:12:14 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:12:14 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 07:37 +0000, pete howe wrote: > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible way > to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this excellent > performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the hawks are > RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd shortly.They state > quite clearly on their website about free downloading/bootlegging/unofficial > recording etc, and all you guys generally agreed on the ethics of this some > months back..,as the band DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money > .., and theres certainly no "download free here" button, because it wasnt > intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some respect,and > wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly ;-) Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence. Instead of presuming people just want to rip off the band, did you ever stop to think that people might just want to have this Webcast in a format that is a bit easier to listen to in a non-linear fashion, like being able arbitrarily to seek backwards and forwards, or pause for more than just a short while? Is being able to jump to the start of "Lord of Light" to hear it again in all its glory ripping off the band?? Get a grip! Oh, and thanks also for the presumption that those who download this stream won't also buy the official release when it comes out. Kudos for the extra hint at the end that people will flog it on eBay, too. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" I guess it's out of fashion... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From management at HAWKWIND.COM Wed May 24 06:46:07 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:46:07 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies start appearing on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly > ;-) > > > >>From: john-paul >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >> >>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>i >>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>as >>a song in its own right >>jp >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Mather" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >> > >> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >> > > >> > > right stuff - 8.31 >> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >> > > out here we are - 6.19 >> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >> > > love in space - 4.52 >> > > lord of light - 4.57 >> > > paradox - 7.03 >> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >> > > psi power - 6.58 >> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >> > > >> > > john-paul >> > >> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Paul. >> > -- >> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> > >> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >> > production >> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 06:17:45 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:17:45 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148402212.923.24.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 23/05/2006 17:36, Paul Mather wrote: >> How big does the HW Roadburn .rm work out to be? > > Mine ended up at roughly 52 MB. That's about the size of the .rm file I've got here, then, OK. Still, my attempt to turn it into a WAV via pcm disk audio output as you suggested seemed to "run away" when I left it running on the Windows machine at the end of the day, and I had a 64 *GB* file (and growing!) when I checked this morning! I may have to try that again. Surely the WAV file shouldn't get bigger than CD size .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 24 07:01:13 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:01:13 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148465534.927.11.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: paul, this wasnt aimed at you at all...i agree with everything you say..but i did note people say they were already designing cd covers for it!..im just a little concerned,that once again, the guys will lose out on revenue they desperately need, especially as the official release is imminent..I think they give enough back to the fans as it is... regards >From: Paul Mather >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:12:14 +0100 > >On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 07:37 +0000, pete howe wrote: > > > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible >way > > to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this >excellent > > performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the hawks are > > RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd shortly.They state > > quite clearly on their website about free >downloading/bootlegging/unofficial > > recording etc, and all you guys generally agreed on the ethics of this >some > > months back..,as the band DOES, at the end of the day, have to make >money > > .., and theres certainly no "download free here" button, because it >wasnt > > intended to be... > > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off >halfway > > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some >respect,and > > wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly >;-) > >Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence. Instead of presuming people >just want to rip off the band, did you ever stop to think that people >might just want to have this Webcast in a format that is a bit easier to >listen to in a non-linear fashion, like being able arbitrarily to seek >backwards and forwards, or pause for more than just a short while? Is >being able to jump to the start of "Lord of Light" to hear it again in >all its glory ripping off the band?? Get a grip! > >Oh, and thanks also for the presumption that those who download this >stream won't also buy the official release when it comes out. Kudos for >the extra hint at the end that people will flog it on eBay, too. > >Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" I guess it's out >of fashion... > >Cheers, > >Paul. >-- >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 24 07:21:22 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:21:22 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <008c01c67f1f$d7202680$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: thanks guys..my point, entirely.. >From: Hawkwind >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:46:07 +0100 > >The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a >download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of >thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies >start appearing on ebay. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > > >>Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible >>way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this >>excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the >>hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd >>shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free >>downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys >>generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band >>DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly >>no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... >>I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway >>through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some >>respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... >>I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly >>;-) >> >> >> >>>From: john-paul >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >>> >>>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>>i >>>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>>as >>>a song in its own right >>>jp >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Paul Mather" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>> >>> >>> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >>> > >>> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >>> > > >>> > > right stuff - 8.31 >>> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >>> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >>> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >>> > > out here we are - 6.19 >>> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >>> > > love in space - 4.52 >>> > > lord of light - 4.57 >>> > > paradox - 7.03 >>> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >>> > > psi power - 6.58 >>> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >>> > > >>> > > john-paul >>> > >>> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >>> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Paul. >>> > -- >>> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >>> > >>> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > >>>production >>> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >>> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger >>7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> >> _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 07:21:28 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:21:28 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 08:37, pete howe wrote: > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off > halfway through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... Well, I absolutely encourage a CD-quality release of this concert (hopefully full length since I understand the stream cuts off). And I would happily buy a CD or -- better still for myself and the band -- a FLAC download. But I see nothing wrong with trying to listen to the *free* non-CD quality version in the way which best suits *me*. I mean, honestly: I thoroughly understand the sentiments of concern for the band. And seriously: My felicitations to all ye who find it easy and convenient to listen to the 74 minute stream. That's great. I'm gladdened that people have that opportunity But it doesn't really work out for me, and I don't see why I shouldn't be able to listen to something that is, after all, freely available in the manner of *my* choice. Sure, it's intended to stream; but is there a license or something somewhere saying "You may only listen to this music if you're willing to grind it through your internet connection for an hour or so at a go?" If there is, then fine, very well; I'll cease and desist. But such conditions would do little to encourage me to a) listen to the free version b) buy the full quality release. Surely both those things are, to greater or lesser extents, in the band's interest? I like Hawkwind. I have bought a lot of Hawkwind recordings. The band in its various incarnations and many of its musicians have been a powerful musical inspiration to me for many years. Hawkwind says they'll release this concert at CD quality and (you'll have to forgive me for not believing *everything* the band says about its release plans without reservation ;) I hope I have the opporuntity to buy it in a sensible manner. Until then, I just hope to be able to listen to the free version (which I am grateful to the band for providing) in some way, at all. > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly ;-) There are lots of bands that permit audience taping but also sell their own high-quality live releases via download (not to mention their studio recordings on CD and download). I don't recall seeing, for example, lots of illegal Gov't Mule CDs on eBay. Isn't it pretty much established that if you make things available to people legitmately reasonably then they'll go for it? Why would anyone buy an illegal copy if they could get the real thing easier (and better)? Where are my 2 CDs worth of totally legitmate "Hawkwind @ Roadburn 2006" FLAC downloads from hawktracks.com for USD 15? Point me to it; I'll buy it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 07:23:38 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:23:38 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Besides, I freely admit I've been captured by the technical puzzle of trying to figure *how* I'm going to listen to the damn thing! I can't give up *now* ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 07:27:55 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:27:55 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <008c01c67f1f$d7202680$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: The Music on the Roadburn/3voor12 site IS only a stream, not a download. However, streams can be captured and recorded very easily by fans. Given that this stream is only of part of the gig, it seems likely that virtually everybody who has downloaded it will buy the official release when it is released. Meanwhile, the existence of this stream has created interest, has made the band's sound available to people who may not have experienced them before and has probably helped to sell more CDs. Why not see this as a form of marketing rather than a threat? In fact, how is it a threat or a negative factor? By the way, how is this different from the live performances that have appeared on the BBC over the years? Those were not downloadable (especially as downloads did not exist at the time) but could still be recorded off air by fans. Colin Hawkwind wrote: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies start appearing on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly > ;-) > > > >>From: john-paul >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >> >>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>i >>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>as >>a song in its own right >>jp >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Mather" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >> > >> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >> > > >> > > right stuff - 8.31 >> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >> > > out here we are - 6.19 >> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >> > > love in space - 4.52 >> > > lord of light - 4.57 >> > > paradox - 7.03 >> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >> > > psi power - 6.58 >> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >> > > >> > > john-paul >> > >> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Paul. >> > -- >> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> > >> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >> > production >> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 24 07:34:08 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:34:08 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <447441B8.1010605@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Well, the hawkwind management team have commented in agreement now..and quite rightly, ..it looks like they wont be doing it again.. :-/ >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:21:28 +0100 > >On 24/05/2006 08:37, pete howe wrote: >>Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible >>way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this >>excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the >>hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd >>shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free >>downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys >>generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band >>DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly >>no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... >>I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway >>through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some >>respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > >Well, I absolutely encourage a CD-quality release of this concert >(hopefully full length since I understand the stream cuts off). And I >would happily buy a CD or -- better still for myself and the band -- a FLAC >download. But I see nothing wrong with trying to listen to the *free* >non-CD quality version in the way which best suits *me*. > >I mean, honestly: I thoroughly understand the sentiments of concern for the >band. And seriously: My felicitations to all ye who find it easy and >convenient to listen to the 74 minute stream. That's great. I'm gladdened >that people have that opportunity > >But it doesn't really work out for me, and I don't see why I shouldn't be >able to listen to something that is, after all, freely available in the >manner of *my* choice. Sure, it's intended to stream; but is there a >license or something somewhere saying "You may only listen to this music if >you're willing to grind it through your internet connection for an hour or >so at a go?" If there is, then fine, very well; I'll cease and desist. >But such conditions would do little to encourage me to a) listen to the >free version b) buy the full quality release. Surely both those things >are, to greater or lesser extents, in the band's interest? > >I like Hawkwind. I have bought a lot of Hawkwind recordings. The band in >its various incarnations and many of its musicians have been a powerful >musical inspiration to me for many years. Hawkwind says they'll release >this concert at CD quality and (you'll have to forgive me for not believing >*everything* the band says about its release plans without reservation ;) I >hope I have the opporuntity to buy it in a sensible manner. Until then, I >just hope to be able to listen to the free version (which I am grateful to >the band for providing) in some way, at all. > > > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly >;-) > >There are lots of bands that permit audience taping but also sell their own >high-quality live releases via download (not to mention their studio >recordings on CD and download). I don't recall seeing, for example, lots >of illegal Gov't Mule CDs on eBay. Isn't it pretty much established that >if you make things available to people legitmately reasonably then they'll >go for it? Why would anyone buy an illegal copy if they could get the real >thing easier (and better)? Where are my 2 CDs worth of totally legitmate >"Hawkwind @ Roadburn 2006" FLAC downloads from hawktracks.com for USD 15? >Point me to it; I'll buy it! > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >mailto:cea at carlaz.com >http://www.carlaz.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 07:58:56 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:58:56 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 12:01, pete howe wrote: > but i did note people say they were already designing cd covers for > it! You know, I always used to make my own CD covers for live downloads back when I kept things in jewel cases. (Discs live in binders now, alas!) Heck when I collected Grateful Dead casettes as a teenager (before I even owned a CD or computer) I made my own decorated cassette inserts by hand! Of course I never sold the recordings. It goes without saying. That would have violated to spirit of what was going on. In any case, I think it's *quite* an leap to assume that fans here are making CD case inserts because they want to sell things illegally! It's clear that fans and the band do not always see eye-to-eye on these kinds of issues. But I don't think _anyone_ here on BOC-L wants to do anything to damage the band. (And even if they did, I don't think they would publically *announce* it!) I think if fans aren't assumed to be The Enemy, things tend to work out very well indeed. Everyone here wants Hawkwind to do well and make great music, after all. On 24/05/2006 12:34, pete howe wrote: > Well, the hawkwind management team have commented in agreement now..and > quite rightly, ..it looks like they wont be doing it again.. Hawkwind is perfectly entitled to provide a free version of their music to fans and then complain when the fans want to actually listen to it. It seems contradictory and counterproductive to me, but Hawkwind are entitled to do things that seem contradictory and counterproductive. I'm entitled to think they're making a mistake -- but they're entitled to make it. Freedom is a wonderful thing. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 24 08:12:19 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:12:19 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <447432C9.7010601@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 11:17 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 23/05/2006 17:36, Paul Mather wrote: > >> How big does the HW Roadburn .rm work out to be? > > > > Mine ended up at roughly 52 MB. > > That's about the size of the .rm file I've got here, then, OK. Still, > my attempt to turn it into a WAV via pcm disk audio output as you > suggested seemed to "run away" when I left it running on the Windows > machine at the end of the day, and I had a 64 *GB* file (and growing!) > when I checked this morning! With my FreeBSD version of mplayer, I ended up with a 752 MB WAV file, so it seems like the Windows version has trouble detecting the end of the stream and stopping. The WAV file I got is 788398124 bytes long, which, at 2352 bytes per sector; 75 sectors per second; and 60 seconds per minute yields a bit over 74 minutes of audio. > I may have to try that again. Surely the WAV file shouldn't get bigger > than CD size .... No, it shouldn't. Divide the size in bytes of your WAV file by 10584000 to get the number of minutes of audio it represents. (It's not exact, as the file size also incorporates some bytes for the WAV header.) If you're a long way off from 74 minutes, something's gone wrong. In the worst case, if you can't get the Windows mplayer to play nice, you could always interrupt it when the file grows to about 800000000 bytes and then use a WAV editor to trim it to the correct size. I hope this helps. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Wed May 24 08:13:01 2006 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:13:01 +0200 Subject: AW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: Hello Hawkwind, You are absolutely right. I even won't do such work if I would realize that "fans" make a deal aout of it. But... A copy for one's own... We simply love it to hear you!! Regards Christian -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Hawkwind Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2006 12:46 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies start appearing on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly > ;-) > > > >>From: john-paul >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >> >>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>i >>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>as >>a song in its own right >>jp >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Mather" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >> > >> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >> > > >> > > right stuff - 8.31 >> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >> > > out here we are - 6.19 >> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >> > > love in space - 4.52 >> > > lord of light - 4.57 >> > > paradox - 7.03 >> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >> > > psi power - 6.58 >> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >> > > >> > > john-paul >> > >> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Paul. >> > -- >> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> > >> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >> > production >> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 24 09:18:27 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:18:27 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Wed, 24 May 2006 12:27:55 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > The Music on the Roadburn/3voor12 site IS only a stream, not a > download. However, streams can be captured and recorded very easily > by fans. Given that this stream is only of part of the gig, it seems > likely that virtually everybody who has downloaded it> will buy the > official release when it is released. > Meanwhile, the existence of this stream has created interest, has > made the band's sound available to people who may not have > experienced them before and has probably helped to sell more CDs. Certainly I pointed a number of people who've been asking "Just what the hell is it with Mike and this Hawkwind band?" to the Roadburn webcast and already someone is asking "What are the best Hawkwind CD's to buy?" Adrian Wagner has clearly had a little mail order business going by continually advertising small numbers of his CD's on Ebay. Seems to me that the best way to scotch the bootleg dealers is to keep the lawyers on their backs, but also continually advertise small numbers of Hawkwind CD's on Ebay on a bidding or "Buy Now" basis. If it helps to mark the genuine ones then advertise them as signed by the band. It's the 21st century. The future is here. There's no point in pretending that people can't record webcasts and little commercial sense in simply refusing to support webcasting when that's what the 21st century consumer expects. I understand that there are concerns that the well of future record deals may be poisoned by an excess of recordings. However the markets are moving away from such deals being the sole method of music distribution. Indeed it seems that most folks younger than me see it as passe to collect CD's and instead simply put music on their Ipods until they get sick of it and replace it with new downloads. Such people can only be made customers by offering downloads at reasonable prices and free samples so that they can decide that they do want music by a given band. For the entire genre it's time to decide whether to be Living in The Future. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 24 09:27:31 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:27:31 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 24 May 2006 12:58:56 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > You know, I always used to make my own CD covers for live downloads back > when I kept things in jewel cases. (Discs live in binders now, alas!) > Heck when I collected Grateful Dead casettes as a teenager (before I > even owned a CD or computer) I made my own decorated cassette inserts by > hand! Of course I never sold the recordings. It goes without saying. > That would have violated to spirit of what was going on. In any case, I > think it's *quite* an leap to assume that fans here are making CD case > inserts because they want to sell things illegally! Hell no. I made the first post requesting CD covers because I like to store them in a way that I can find what I'm looking for. I very much expect that nobody in the band would be foolish enough to suppose that there's any intent here to sell on any CD's recorded from the webcast. > It's clear that fans and the band do not always see eye-to-eye on these > kinds of issues. But I don't think _anyone_ here on BOC-L wants to do > anything to damage the band. (And even if they did, I don't think they > would publically *announce* it!) I think if fans aren't assumed to be > The Enemy, things tend to work out very well indeed. Everyone here > wants Hawkwind to do well and make great music, after all. They could use new fans as well as ourselves. I wonder if those fans scour record shops or perhaps scour the interweb for music? > Hawkwind is perfectly entitled to provide a free version of their music > to fans and then complain when the fans want to actually listen to it. > It seems contradictory and counterproductive to me, but Hawkwind are > entitled to do things that seem contradictory and counterproductive. > I'm entitled to think they're making a mistake -- but they're entitled > to make it. Freedom is a wonderful thing. As is Freedom of Trade. A band needs money to keep operating. Now I happen to like collecting shiny beermats that can make Hawkwind sounds and have bought all of them that I've ever heard of . On the other hand, a lot of people with money don't ever use those but just download to those Ipod thingies. Expanding the market to those folks could be a Good Thing. FoFP From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Wed May 24 09:37:01 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:37:01 -0400 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605241327.k4ODRVbM002499@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: And of course, the band could always make their own cd-rs of their concerts and sell them on the website (as many bands do) and therefore make money for themselves - not a record company - and keep the fans happy. I enjoy finding legal music on band websites that aren't available in music stores, and think that this could be lucrative for the band also. tim 8>)... On 5/24/06, M Holmes wrote: > > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > > You know, I always used to make my own CD covers for live downloads back > > when I kept things in jewel cases. (Discs live in binders now, alas!) > > Heck when I collected Grateful Dead casettes as a teenager (before I > > even owned a CD or computer) I made my own decorated cassette inserts by > > hand! Of course I never sold the recordings. It goes without saying. > > That would have violated to spirit of what was going on. In any case, I > > think it's *quite* an leap to assume that fans here are making CD case > > inserts because they want to sell things illegally! > > Hell no. I made the first post requesting CD covers because I like to > store them in a way that I can find what I'm looking for. I very much > expect that nobody in the band would be foolish enough to suppose that > there's any intent here to sell on any CD's recorded from the webcast. > > > It's clear that fans and the band do not always see eye-to-eye on these > > kinds of issues. But I don't think _anyone_ here on BOC-L wants to do > > anything to damage the band. (And even if they did, I don't think they > > would publically *announce* it!) I think if fans aren't assumed to be > > The Enemy, things tend to work out very well indeed. Everyone here > > wants Hawkwind to do well and make great music, after all. > > They could use new fans as well as ourselves. I wonder if those fans > scour record shops or perhaps scour the interweb for music? > > > Hawkwind is perfectly entitled to provide a free version of their music > > to fans and then complain when the fans want to actually listen to it. > > It seems contradictory and counterproductive to me, but Hawkwind are > > entitled to do things that seem contradictory and counterproductive. > > I'm entitled to think they're making a mistake -- but they're entitled > > to make it. Freedom is a wonderful thing. > > As is Freedom of Trade. A band needs money to keep operating. Now I > happen to like collecting shiny beermats that can make Hawkwind sounds > and have bought all of them that I've ever heard of . > > On the other hand, a lot of people with money don't ever use those but > just download to those Ipod thingies. Expanding the market to those > folks could be a Good Thing. > > FoFP > From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 09:57:21 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:57:21 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605241318.k4ODIRia000369@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just to test my own argument, I went through my CD collection to see how many CDs I have bought after first hearing (and capturing the streams of) the bands on the Roadburn/3voor12 site. The result was: Monster Magnet 5 Orange Goblin 2 Witchcraft 2 Fu Manchu 1 SunnO))) 3 High on Fire 2 I completely agree with Mike that bands have to move with the technology and the consumer requirements or, to be brutal, die. Technology offers so many opportunities for bands to market themselves and sell product. The music business has moved on and bands have to as well; record deals are changing to recognise the new paradigm. The next Litmus album will also be available on iTunes; we would not sign to a label that did not embrace technology. Colin M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > The Music on the Roadburn/3voor12 site IS only a stream, not a > download. However, streams can be captured and recorded very easily > by fans. Given that this stream is only of part of the gig, it seems > likely that virtually everybody who has downloaded it> will buy the > official release when it is released. > Meanwhile, the existence of this stream has created interest, has > made the band's sound available to people who may not have > experienced them before and has probably helped to sell more CDs. Certainly I pointed a number of people who've been asking "Just what the hell is it with Mike and this Hawkwind band?" to the Roadburn webcast and already someone is asking "What are the best Hawkwind CD's to buy?" Adrian Wagner has clearly had a little mail order business going by continually advertising small numbers of his CD's on Ebay. Seems to me that the best way to scotch the bootleg dealers is to keep the lawyers on their backs, but also continually advertise small numbers of Hawkwind CD's on Ebay on a bidding or "Buy Now" basis. If it helps to mark the genuine ones then advertise them as signed by the band. It's the 21st century. The future is here. There's no point in pretending that people can't record webcasts and little commercial sense in simply refusing to support webcasting when that's what the 21st century consumer expects. I understand that there are concerns that the well of future record deals may be poisoned by an excess of recordings. However the markets are moving away from such deals being the sole method of music distribution. Indeed it seems that most folks younger than me see it as passe to collect CD's and instead simply put music on their Ipods until they get sick of it and replace it with new downloads. Such people can only be made customers by offering downloads at reasonable prices and free samples so that they can decide that they do want music by a given band. For the entire genre it's time to decide whether to be Living in The Future. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 10:09:24 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:09:24 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <8809f5fb0605240637l774648e0u3239331009260339@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 14:37, tim elliott wrote: > And of course, the band could always make their own cd-rs of their concerts > and sell them on the website (as many bands do) and > therefore make money for themselves - not a record company - and > keep the fans happy. I enjoy finding legal music on band websites that > aren't available in music stores, and think that this could be lucrative > for the band also. Indeed. As the Mighty FoFP so cogently observed, "The future is here", and as we know, it is the business of the future to be dangerous .... ;) On the other hand, the future needn't be _that_ dangerous. Not if, now that we're living it, we don't pass to much time looking at the past .... ;) I think Hawkwind are _exactly_ the sort of band that would benefit legitmate, band-controlled, legal download sales. They have a broad and very dedicated fan base that spans a range of age groups. People travel long distances to see their concerts and go to great lengths to get difficult to find releases. Sure, there are casual fans that are happy with a "best of" disc, and bless 'em. But there are also fans, perhaps more likely to participate in discussion lists such as this, who want more -- and these are exactly the kinds of fans who represent a revenue stream for the band in terms of live downloads. It's not economical, in all probability, to produce physical CDs for sale in shops or even by mail-order of every Hawkwind concert. However, it's perfectly possible to make money selling downloadable concert recordings made and mixed by the band (or under its auspices) of all or most shows (not to mention "best of the tour" packages). Bands who do this sort of thing keep more of the profits, while lower overheads mean it costs less to the fans than a standard CD release. Everyone important (i.e. the band, the fans) wins. Honestly, I find this thread a bit bizarre. I regularly get email adverts from MuleTracks.com announcing new concerts for sale by download. PhilLesh.net keeps me informed of how I can *pre-order* soundboard CDs and get _free_ CD-quality downloads (that include as printable PDFs as inserts). Nugs.net is _awash_ in purchasable downloads and stash of free MP3 samples. How has Hawkwind -- the space warriors, the fearless technomads of the future -- failed to tap into this trend? If there was ever a way to beat The Man (in this case, the record labels) while still making a living from selling your creative output, and simulataneously bringing more music than ever to the masses, then this is it, the current state-of-the-art. The point is, the band shouldn't have to --doesn't have to -- worry about fans, let alone, grubby bootleggers, running off with their sales. The technology exists to let band keep the cake whilst the fans eat it. Cheers, Carl ps - appropo, has anyone read the new Ars Technica article on eMusic.com? I'm not a fan of buying lossy formats, but it's an interesting read. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 24 10:14:00 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:14:00 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060524112755.55120.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 12:27 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > The Music on the Roadburn/3voor12 site IS only a stream, not a > download. However, streams can be captured and recorded very easily > by fans. Given that this stream is only of part of the gig, it seems > likely that virtually everybody who has downloaded it will buy the > official release when it is released. I know that on the strength of what I've heard I am definitely going to get the official release when it eventually comes out on CD. Not only will I get to hear the full performance of what sounds like a strong show, but also hopefully it will be free of the clipping problems that affect some parts of the Web stream. (Plus, of course, it helps support the band.) Having listened to the Web stream at my leisure, I know I won't be buying a pig in a poke when the official release sees the light of day (eventually). > Meanwhile, the existence of this stream has created interest, has > made the band's sound available to people who may not have experienced > them before and has probably helped to sell more CDs. Why not see > this as a form of marketing rather than a threat? In fact, how is it > a threat or a negative factor? Unless I'm misremembering, there have been one or two BOC fans on here who have been vocal about being turned on to Hawkwind on the strength of this free Web stream. That seems to have gone completely over the band's head with their bizarre missive to the list threatening an end to future Webcasts. It's not healthy to mistrust your fans like this. > By the way, how is this different from the live performances that > have appeared on the BBC over the years? Those were not downloadable > (especially as downloads did not exist at the time) but could still be > recorded off air by fans. You know, Hawkwind might sing a lot of songs about technology, but they seem to know bugger all about it. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 10:17:35 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:17:35 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060524135721.51456.qmail@web86806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 14:57, Colin Allen wrote: > The next Litmus album will also be available on iTunes; we would not sign to a label that did not embrace technology. Cool! I mean, I'd still buy the CD until iTMS starts selling Apple Lossless format downloads (which, someday when iPods are big enough, they presumably will). I hate paying as much for AACs as I do for CD quality recordings. But I always go to listen to the samples from iTMS, if available, before buying things. Very handy! This raises the question: When *will* the the next Litmus album be available? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 10:22:31 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:22:31 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44746914.8010307@carlaz.com> Message-ID: The sad part of this is that this is a discussion that has been had in the past......there seems to be a real, if misplaced, fear of "losing control". Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/05/2006 14:37, tim elliott wrote: > And of course, the band could always make their own cd-rs of their concerts > and sell them on the website (as many bands do) and > therefore make money for themselves - not a record company - and > keep the fans happy. I enjoy finding legal music on band websites that > aren't available in music stores, and think that this could be lucrative > for the band also. Indeed. As the Mighty FoFP so cogently observed, "The future is here", and as we know, it is the business of the future to be dangerous .... ;) On the other hand, the future needn't be _that_ dangerous. Not if, now that we're living it, we don't pass to much time looking at the past .... ;) I think Hawkwind are _exactly_ the sort of band that would benefit legitmate, band-controlled, legal download sales. They have a broad and very dedicated fan base that spans a range of age groups. People travel long distances to see their concerts and go to great lengths to get difficult to find releases. Sure, there are casual fans that are happy with a "best of" disc, and bless 'em. But there are also fans, perhaps more likely to participate in discussion lists such as this, who want more -- and these are exactly the kinds of fans who represent a revenue stream for the band in terms of live downloads. It's not economical, in all probability, to produce physical CDs for sale in shops or even by mail-order of every Hawkwind concert. However, it's perfectly possible to make money selling downloadable concert recordings made and mixed by the band (or under its auspices) of all or most shows (not to mention "best of the tour" packages). Bands who do this sort of thing keep more of the profits, while lower overheads mean it costs less to the fans than a standard CD release. Everyone important (i.e. the band, the fans) wins. Honestly, I find this thread a bit bizarre. I regularly get email adverts from MuleTracks.com announcing new concerts for sale by download. PhilLesh.net keeps me informed of how I can *pre-order* soundboard CDs and get _free_ CD-quality downloads (that include as printable PDFs as inserts). Nugs.net is _awash_ in purchasable downloads and stash of free MP3 samples. How has Hawkwind -- the space warriors, the fearless technomads of the future -- failed to tap into this trend? If there was ever a way to beat The Man (in this case, the record labels) while still making a living from selling your creative output, and simulataneously bringing more music than ever to the masses, then this is it, the current state-of-the-art. The point is, the band shouldn't have to --doesn't have to -- worry about fans, let alone, grubby bootleggers, running off with their sales. The technology exists to let band keep the cake whilst the fans eat it. Cheers, Carl ps - appropo, has anyone read the new Ars Technica article on eMusic.com? I'm not a fan of buying lossy formats, but it's an interesting read. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 10:25:05 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:25:05 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148472739.927.21.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 13:12, Paul Mather wrote: > With my FreeBSD version of mplayer, I ended up with a 752 MB WAV file, > so it seems like the Windows version has trouble detecting the end of > the stream and stopping. That could easily be. Still, having nabbed the .rm, I'm sure I can fiddle it into a WAV with some utility or another on one platform or another. Any conversion will at best reveal the limitations of the source (and RealAudio isn't exactly "hi-fi"), but it will do until the proper release trickles out. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 10:27:15 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:27:15 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44746AFF.5090803@carlaz.com> Message-ID: It is slated for a September release on Rise Above Records http://www.riseaboverecords.com One of the interesting things about signing to a "proper" label is that you have to fit into their release schedule. Colin Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/05/2006 14:57, Colin Allen wrote: > The next Litmus album will also be available on iTunes; we would not sign to a label that did not embrace technology. Cool! I mean, I'd still buy the CD until iTMS starts selling Apple Lossless format downloads (which, someday when iPods are big enough, they presumably will). I hate paying as much for AACs as I do for CD quality recordings. But I always go to listen to the samples from iTMS, if available, before buying things. Very handy! This raises the question: When *will* the the next Litmus album be available? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed May 24 10:34:53 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:34:53 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060524142715.44054.qmail@web86807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 15:27, Colin Allen wrote: > It is slated for a September release on Rise Above Records http://www.riseaboverecords.com Ah, Rise Above! As a student in the 90s I had a friend, who was tight with those guys. I _think_ he did the original version of their web site (looks different now, obviously :). Fine days going down to lots of gigs with Goblin, Cathedral, Wizard .... > One of the interesting things about signing to a "proper" label is that you have to fit into their release schedule. For every action, there is an equal and opposite .... Cheers, Carl ObMP3: BOC, _FoUO_, "Joan Crawford". -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 10:42:16 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:42:16 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44746CC1.8020001@carlaz.com> Message-ID: There is real audio to wav convertor available; try http://www.hitsquad.com Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/05/2006 13:12, Paul Mather wrote: > With my FreeBSD version of mplayer, I ended up with a 752 MB WAV file, > so it seems like the Windows version has trouble detecting the end of > the stream and stopping. That could easily be. Still, having nabbed the .rm, I'm sure I can fiddle it into a WAV with some utility or another on one platform or another. Any conversion will at best reveal the limitations of the source (and RealAudio isn't exactly "hi-fi"), but it will do until the proper release trickles out. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed May 24 10:46:12 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:46:12 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44746F0D.1070001@carlaz.com> Message-ID: As at least a couple of us are huge fans of Napalm Death and Cathedral, this is quite a smile-inducing situation for us. Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/05/2006 15:27, Colin Allen wrote: > It is slated for a September release on Rise Above Records http://www.riseaboverecords.com Ah, Rise Above! As a student in the 90s I had a friend, who was tight with those guys. I _think_ he did the original version of their web site (looks different now, obviously :). Fine days going down to lots of gigs with Goblin, Cathedral, Wizard .... > One of the interesting things about signing to a "proper" label is that you have to fit into their release schedule. For every action, there is an equal and opposite .... Cheers, Carl ObMP3: BOC, _FoUO_, "Joan Crawford". -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 24 10:49:57 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:57 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 24 May 2006 15:09:24 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Honestly, I find this thread a bit bizarre. I regularly get email > adverts from MuleTracks.com announcing new concerts for sale by > download. PhilLesh.net keeps me informed of how I can *pre-order* > soundboard CDs and get _free_ CD-quality downloads (that include as > printable PDFs as inserts). Nugs.net is _awash_ in purchasable > downloads and stash of free MP3 samples. How has Hawkwind -- the space > warriors, the fearless technomads of the future -- failed to tap into > this trend? If there was ever a way to beat The Man (in this case, the > record labels) while still making a living from selling your creative > output, and simulataneously bringing more music than ever to the masses, > then this is it, the current state-of-the-art. Exactly so. Not only is there reputedly the archive of live material ready to go, but there's a wealth of techno talent amongst the fanbase to produce a website where downloads could be sold for instant cash through Paypal (or whatever Paul would advise instead of them?), almost all of which would go straight into the band's bank account. I'm puzzled as to why it isn't happening already. If online music is sold by download at a reasonable price, there's only a market for bootleggers to sell to people who can type "Ebay.com" but not "Hawkwind.com". There's exactly one of them in the world: George Bush after Bill Clinton stole his "w" key. FoFP From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed May 24 13:10:17 2006 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:10:17 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <008c01c67f1f$d7202680$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: Only the unscrupulous who would attempt to sell this on Ebay Only twats who would buy it. When the recording is officially released, I'll be buying it. Though I enjoy listening to it, the stream isn't CD quality. Hawkwind wrote: > The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a > download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort > of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if > copies start appearing on ebay. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > > >> Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best >> possible way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note >> that this excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE >> download,especially as the hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE >> PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd shortly.They state quite clearly on >> their website about free downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording >> etc, and all you guys generally agreed on the ethics of this some >> months back..,as the band DOES, at the end of the day, have to make >> money .., and theres certainly no "download free here" button, >> because it wasnt intended to be... >> I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off >> halfway through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys >> some respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out >> OFFICIALLY... >> I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY >> shortly ;-) >> >> > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 22/05/2006 From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed May 24 13:14:13 2006 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:14:13 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44749379.9080805@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Of course that should say "Only the unscrupulous would attempt to sell this on Ebay Only twats would buy it. " Alan Taylor wrote: > Only the unscrupulous who would attempt to sell this on Ebay > > Only twats who would buy it. > > When the recording is officially released, I'll be buying it. Though > I enjoy listening to it, the stream isn't CD quality. > Hawkwind wrote: > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 22/05/2006 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed May 24 13:55:14 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:55:14 EDT Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: Which is a shame. I am listening to it now and it is superb! I thank them for making it available and will, of course, be buying the official release when it comes out. If doing this gets more peoplle to hear the band then there is no harm in that. I just hope it doesn't end up on Ebay though. Once again, thanks to the band for doing this. It's very much appreciated by the real fans. Steve. In a message dated 05/24/2006 12:34:57 GMT Standard Time, sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM writes: Well, the hawkwind management team have commented in agreement now..and quite rightly, ..it looks like they wont be doing it again.. From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed May 24 16:27:28 2006 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:27:28 +0200 Subject: OFF: GrobSchnitt In-Reply-To: <000301c67c02$6d8af580$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: I don't know if there are any Grobschnitt fans among You guys here but if there are You should really consider the link below: http://www.solarmusic.de/ Kenneth _______ To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects for the future.- Neil Peart From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed May 24 17:00:05 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:00:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: GrobSchnitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Kenneth Magnusson : > I don't know if there are any Grobschnitt fans among You guys here but > if there are You should really consider the link below: > http://www.solarmusic.de/ I sure hope all Hawkwind fans are familiar with Solar Music... In the US, the exchange rate being what it is (not to mention being charged extra for paypal and shipping), it's likely cheaper to order them from Greg Walker at Syn-Phonic. http://www.synphonic.8m.com Of course you don't get them hand-signed by Eroc that way... -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 24 18:14:22 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:14:22 +0100 Subject: tBS: Birthday greetings Message-ID: Happy birthdat Al. Have a good one. I can't believe that's another year gone. party hard. CtGB. From grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM Wed May 24 18:33:33 2006 From: grinningboy at NTLWORLD.COM (Charlie Grant) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:33:33 +0100 Subject: tBS: Euro tour Message-ID: I see that there is a European tour booked for BSNYC at the end of november for Germany / Belgium. Is there going to be a British part / London date? If so please, please make it at the end of the tour - ie after the Nov 26th Belgium date - as I am on holiday before that!! Mind you after my post gig behaviour last time - generally being really pissed - but I had a really graet time - I wouldn't blame them for trying to avoid me. CtGB. From novadrive at COX.NET Wed May 24 19:46:33 2006 From: novadrive at COX.NET (novadrive) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:46:33 -0700 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't "undesign" mine, but please note that the cover has been removed from my website. Kevin M Sommers http://www.kmsommers.com "Pigs are easy to color. But wait until you get to an octopus." -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of pete howe Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:01 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk .....but i did note people say they were already designing cd covers for it!.. From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu May 25 01:23:47 2006 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: GrobSchnitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I seriously need to win the lottery:) These sound like they'd be fantastic. I have a fairly large pile of their music . "Jumbo" is a delight, and "Rockpommel's Land " was my first. "Solar Music Live" Is a bit on the strange side, but quite good. Have a good one! Pam Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > I don't know if there are any Grobschnitt fans among You guys here but > if there are You should really consider the link below: > http://www.solarmusic.de/ > > Kenneth > _______ > To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, > makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your > prospects for the future.- Neil Peart > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 25 05:01:18 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:01:18 +0100 Subject: tBS: Euro tour In-Reply-To: <000601c67f82$187b5610$0202a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 23:33, Charlie Grant wrote: > I see that there is a European tour booked for BSNYC at the end of november for Germany / Belgium. Is there going to be a British part / London date? If so please, please make it at the end of the tour - ie after the Nov 26th Belgium date - as I am on holiday before that!! Mind you after my post gig behaviour last time - generally being really pissed - but I had a really graet time - I wouldn't blame them for trying to avoid me. Oooo, I hope so! Paola's threatening to have us move to Colombia at the end of the year, so barring a South American tour, this might be my best shot at another tBS gig :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 06:42:32 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:42:32 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <008c01c67f1f$d7202680$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: Were the Punkcast recordings, which are streamable and downloadable, done without the band's permission then? Hawkwind wrote: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies start appearing on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly > ;-) > > > >>From: john-paul >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >> >>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>i >>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>as >>a song in its own right >>jp >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Mather" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >> > >> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >> > > >> > > right stuff - 8.31 >> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >> > > out here we are - 6.19 >> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >> > > love in space - 4.52 >> > > lord of light - 4.57 >> > > paradox - 7.03 >> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >> > > psi power - 6.58 >> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >> > > >> > > john-paul >> > >> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Paul. >> > -- >> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> > >> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >> > production >> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 25 06:53:00 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:53:00 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Thu, 25 May 2006 11:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > Were the Punkcast recordings, which are streamable and downloadable, > done without the band's permission then? The what?? FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 07:01:52 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:01:52 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060525104232.72240.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Go to http://www.punkcast.com and scroll right down to Punkcast #2; click on the banner and you will find a couple of shows from 1997 which appear to be sanctioned by the band (based on the blurb). Colin Colin Allen wrote: Were the Punkcast recordings, which are streamable and downloadable, done without the band's permission then? Hawkwind wrote: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies start appearing on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible > way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this > excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the > hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd > shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free > downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys > generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band > DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly > no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... > I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway > through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some > respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... > I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly > ;-) > > > >>From: john-paul >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >> >>hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>i >>didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>as >>a song in its own right >>jp >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Mather" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >> > >> > > times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >> > > >> > > right stuff - 8.31 >> > > sword of the east - 6.19 >> > > greenback massacre - 4.27 >> > > 7 by 7 - 5.21 >> > > out here we are - 6.19 >> > > angela andriod - 7.03 >> > > love in space - 4.52 >> > > lord of light - 4.57 >> > > paradox - 7.03 >> > > spirit of the age - 6.53 >> > > psi power - 6.58 >> > > hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >> > > >> > > john-paul >> > >> > Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >> > (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Paul. >> > -- >> > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> > >> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >> > production >> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> > --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 25 07:26:01 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:26:01 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Thu, 25 May 2006 12:01:52 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > Go to http://www.punkcast.com and scroll right down to Punkcast #2; > click on the banner and you will find a couple of shows from 1997 > which appear to be sanctioned by the band (based on the blurb). Excellent! So now the science bit: How, on a windoze PC, do I convert .ram files to .wav files to write 'em to CD? FoFP Disclaimer: As usual, this is for private consumption only. From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Thu May 25 07:27:41 2006 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:27:41 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060525110152.8343.qmail@web86807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that ,downloading everything now cheers Roger Colin Allen wrote: > Go to http://www.punkcast.com and scroll right down to Punkcast #2; click on the banner and you will find a couple of shows from 1997 which appear to be sanctioned by the band (based on the blurb). > Colin > > Colin Allen wrote: > Were the Punkcast recordings, which are streamable and downloadable, done without the band's permission then? > > Hawkwind wrote: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a > download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of > thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last, especially if copies > start appearing on ebay. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pete howe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > > > >> Yes,i find it a little ironic,after weeks of debating the best possible >> way to get THIS FREE onto your cd/ipod/mp3 blah blah..note that this >> excellent performance wasnt INTENDED for FREE download,especially as the >> hawks are RELEASING THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE...OFFICIALLY.. on cd >> shortly.They state quite clearly on their website about free >> downloading/bootlegging/unofficial recording etc, and all you guys >> generally agreed on the ethics of this some months back..,as the band >> DOES, at the end of the day, have to make money .., and theres certainly >> no "download free here" button, because it wasnt intended to be... >> I enjoy going to the site and listening to it..but as it cuts off halfway >> through Hassan I Sahba..I think i'll show Dave and the guys some >> respect,and wait and cough up the money when it comes out OFFICIALLY... >> I just hope i dont see "Roadburn Festival cd-(most of)" on EBAY shortly >> ;-) >> >> >> >> >>> From: john-paul >>> Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:49 +0100 >>> >>> hi paul, because its not complete and followed by the reprise of" hassan" >>> i >>> didn't bother. plus if the hawks are going to release it later anyway it >>> doesn't really matter. by the way agree with the posting that" hassan "s >>> played too much. i think they should drop it and just play the "space is" >>> as >>> a song in its own right >>> jp >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul Mather" >>> > > >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 07:32 +0100, john-paul wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> times for tracks on roadburn as follows... >>>>> >>>>> right stuff - 8.31 >>>>> sword of the east - 6.19 >>>>> greenback massacre - 4.27 >>>>> 7 by 7 - 5.21 >>>>> out here we are - 6.19 >>>>> angela andriod - 7.03 >>>>> love in space - 4.52 >>>>> lord of light - 4.57 >>>>> paradox - 7.03 >>>>> spirit of the age - 6.53 >>>>> psi power - 6.58 >>>>> hassan- i-sahba - 5.06 >>>>> >>>>> john-paul >>>>> >>>> Many thanks, John-Paul. I notice you haven't split "Space is Their >>>> (Palestine)" off into a separate track... >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Paul. >>>> -- >>>> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >>>> >>>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring >>>> production >>>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>>> --- Frank Vincent Zappa >>>> >>>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger >> 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> >> >> > > > From jt_ at COX.NET Thu May 25 07:38:09 2006 From: jt_ at COX.NET (Jeff Thompson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:38:09 -0500 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060525110152.8343.qmail@web86807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Hawkwind wrote: The music on the Roadburn stream was meant as a stream only NOT as a > download. This is the 1st time that Hawkwind have agreed to this sort of > thing, unfortunately it will most likely be the last This is a shame -- broader exposure means more fans. At least two people on this list as Blue Oyster Cult fans said that this concert made them decide to check out Hawkwind. If this concert hadn't been made available, those two new Hawkwind fans would not be fans. You converted them into paying customers of your work by making free music available on the net. Isn't that a good thing. > especially if copies > start appearing on ebay. *Any* form of music posted on the net, whether streaming or downloadable, can be burned onto disc. But the quality of the streaming concert isn't even that of a 128k MP3, is it? It's not going to be mass-produced by pirates in China or the like. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 25 08:05:19 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:05:19 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <44759721.80606@cox.net> Message-ID: On 25/05/2006 12:38, Jeff Thompson wrote: > *Any* form of music posted on the net, whether streaming or > downloadable, can be burned onto disc. Likewise any radio broadcast could be recorded onto cassette. This is exactly the same thing, of course; only the delivery and media have changed very slightly. > But the quality of > the streaming concert isn't even that of a 128k MP3, is it? > It's not going to be mass-produced by pirates in China or the > like. Seems unlikely, especially if the band is going to sell a full quality release at a reasonable price! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 10:36:38 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:36:38 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605251126.k4PBQ1v5027363@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I use this: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Realaudio-to-Wav_Recorder/ M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > Go to http://www.punkcast.com and scroll right down to Punkcast #2; > click on the banner and you will find a couple of shows from 1997 > which appear to be sanctioned by the band (based on the blurb). Excellent! So now the science bit: How, on a windoze PC, do I convert .ram files to .wav files to write 'em to CD? FoFP Disclaimer: As usual, this is for private consumption only. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 25 11:39:05 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:39:05 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <394.37fd8d1.31a5f802@aol.com> Message-ID: On 24/05/2006 18:55, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > I just hope it doesn't end up on Ebay though. Can't see why it would if the band is doing it's own release. Go to eBay and look for illegal CDs of Gov't Mule or Phish or _any_ other band that encourages audience taping _and_ sells official live downloads _and_ AACs through iTunes _and_ sells physical CDs in shops as well. OK, I just had a very cursory look, but I didn't see any illegal CDs on eBay from either of those bands. I think part of the problem with illegal Hawkwind CDs on eBay is that the back catalogue situation is in such awesome disarray, label-wise and rights-wise, that significant chunks of it are simply not available to fans in a legal manner. I mean, if I go check amazon.co.uk, I find that _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ is simply not in print. I can buy used copies, but there is not currently a way to buy this album in a way creates revenue for the band (or at least the good Mr. Brock, or whoever would normally be getting revenue from sales of the album). Of course, there's still demand, so it's no surprise that illegal copies can be made and sold wherever such things are done. There is, I think, relatively little that the band can realistically do about this (short of forcing at gunpoint whoever may have the rights to _Warrior_ to put it back in print ;) However, the band ought to have *complete* control of whatever they are producing *now*, including -- perhaps especially including -- live performances. I have no doubt that the band could take a full Brock-mixed recording of the Roadburn performance (as a single example) and stream a lo-fi version for free while selling downloadable MP3s, AACs (through iTunes), CD-quality FLAC downloads, and perhaps even some physical CDs themselves (through their own mailorder service or at shows, if nothing else). This is *exactly* what loads of other bands are doing, and very successfully. Hawkwind has only to start doing the same to start reaping the benefits. Case in point: I've been a fan of Gov't Mule since their first tour. They've always had a good relationship with fans -- encouraging taping, putting up nice little behind-the-scenes videos from the recording sessions -- and generally making fans feel like part of the extended family. When they played London a year or so ago, I stood next to tapers in the audience, and a couple of days later I had a decent sounding audience recording legitimately and freely downloaded thanks to the magic of etree.org and bittorrent. It sounded pretty good. After the tour finished, the band put their own mixed-from-soundboard recordings of the show for sale on their download site (for 15 bucks or so, which is like 2 or 3 pints in UK money ;) and I *bought* it despite having a free version because I'm a fan, I like the band, and I wanted a really good sounding souvenier of the concert I'd been too. Yesterday, when everyone was getting excited about Hawkwind fans capturing a grimy, low bit-rate, RealAudio stream, I got a Gov't Mule email announcing the pre-order for the new studio album (available as a physical CD or as MP3 and FLAC downloads) along with the opportunity to purchase live downloads of a show played in NYC on the 22nd (3 days ago!) that features several songs from the new album. So, I'm a bit skint at present, but I get paid tomorrow and can place my pre-order (for downloadable FLACs) then, and my snazzy new concert recordings will be downloading as well. The three CDs worth of music will cost me just under GBP 14. So ... is there some good reason Hawkwind wouldn't benefit from a similar process? > Once again, thanks to the band for doing this. It's very much appreciated by > the real fans. Amen. Thanks to having been able to capture the RealAudio stream and turn it into a WAV, I was then able to crush that back into an AAC file to stick on my iPod, which I can listen to at work :) I doubt all those translation processes did much for the quality of the sound (it's very clearly and audibly less than CD-quality!) but at last I can hear the aural confirmation of Scott Heller's rave review. So far (I'm somewhere in "Greenback Massacre", I think), what can I say but: Damn, this is good stuff, as good as anything I've heard from Hawkwind in person or on record since the Electric Teepee days! The energy is _not_ lacking, and the band sounds really fired up. Sharing a stage with all those contemporary stoner rock acts seems to have done them good! :) So. The question remains: When _will_ the official release happen? And how will it happen? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 12:16:36 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:16:36 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <4475CF99.9080701@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Ultimately this comes down to the mindset of the people involved. Some bands see the new technologies as an opportunity; some see them as a threat. Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: On 24/05/2006 18:55, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > I just hope it doesn't end up on Ebay though. Can't see why it would if the band is doing it's own release. Go to eBay and look for illegal CDs of Gov't Mule or Phish or _any_ other band that encourages audience taping _and_ sells official live downloads _and_ AACs through iTunes _and_ sells physical CDs in shops as well. OK, I just had a very cursory look, but I didn't see any illegal CDs on eBay from either of those bands. I think part of the problem with illegal Hawkwind CDs on eBay is that the back catalogue situation is in such awesome disarray, label-wise and rights-wise, that significant chunks of it are simply not available to fans in a legal manner. I mean, if I go check amazon.co.uk, I find that _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ is simply not in print. I can buy used copies, but there is not currently a way to buy this album in a way creates revenue for the band (or at least the good Mr. Brock, or whoever would normally be getting revenue from sales of the album). Of course, there's still demand, so it's no surprise that illegal copies can be made and sold wherever such things are done. There is, I think, relatively little that the band can realistically do about this (short of forcing at gunpoint whoever may have the rights to _Warrior_ to put it back in print ;) However, the band ought to have *complete* control of whatever they are producing *now*, including -- perhaps especially including -- live performances. I have no doubt that the band could take a full Brock-mixed recording of the Roadburn performance (as a single example) and stream a lo-fi version for free while selling downloadable MP3s, AACs (through iTunes), CD-quality FLAC downloads, and perhaps even some physical CDs themselves (through their own mailorder service or at shows, if nothing else). This is *exactly* what loads of other bands are doing, and very successfully. Hawkwind has only to start doing the same to start reaping the benefits. Case in point: I've been a fan of Gov't Mule since their first tour. They've always had a good relationship with fans -- encouraging taping, putting up nice little behind-the-scenes videos from the recording sessions -- and generally making fans feel like part of the extended family. When they played London a year or so ago, I stood next to tapers in the audience, and a couple of days later I had a decent sounding audience recording legitimately and freely downloaded thanks to the magic of etree.org and bittorrent. It sounded pretty good. After the tour finished, the band put their own mixed-from-soundboard recordings of the show for sale on their download site (for 15 bucks or so, which is like 2 or 3 pints in UK money ;) and I *bought* it despite having a free version because I'm a fan, I like the band, and I wanted a really good sounding souvenier of the concert I'd been too. Yesterday, when everyone was getting excited about Hawkwind fans capturing a grimy, low bit-rate, RealAudio stream, I got a Gov't Mule email announcing the pre-order for the new studio album (available as a physical CD or as MP3 and FLAC downloads) along with the opportunity to purchase live downloads of a show played in NYC on the 22nd (3 days ago!) that features several songs from the new album. So, I'm a bit skint at present, but I get paid tomorrow and can place my pre-order (for downloadable FLACs) then, and my snazzy new concert recordings will be downloading as well. The three CDs worth of music will cost me just under GBP 14. So ... is there some good reason Hawkwind wouldn't benefit from a similar process? > Once again, thanks to the band for doing this. It's very much appreciated by > the real fans. Amen. Thanks to having been able to capture the RealAudio stream and turn it into a WAV, I was then able to crush that back into an AAC file to stick on my iPod, which I can listen to at work :) I doubt all those translation processes did much for the quality of the sound (it's very clearly and audibly less than CD-quality!) but at last I can hear the aural confirmation of Scott Heller's rave review. So far (I'm somewhere in "Greenback Massacre", I think), what can I say but: Damn, this is good stuff, as good as anything I've heard from Hawkwind in person or on record since the Electric Teepee days! The energy is _not_ lacking, and the band sounds really fired up. Sharing a stage with all those contemporary stoner rock acts seems to have done them good! :) So. The question remains: When _will_ the official release happen? And how will it happen? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu May 25 12:25:51 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:25:51 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live at the 11th Roadburn Festival is available on demand In-Reply-To: <44648266.3010904@cox.net> Message-ID: On 12/05/2006 13:41, Jeff Thompson wrote: > I'm another BOC fanatic checking in to say, this is great stuff. I > shamefully am completely bereft of Hawkwind exposure. I think I have a new band to > fall in love with. Strangely enough, I got into Hawkwind some 13 years ago (eek!) when I joined BOC-L as a BOC fan, and wondered "Who the heck are the Hawkwind people?". Well, there was no streaming audio in 1993 :) but some folks made me some cassettes and ... Oh dear, I was hooked! :) Made it to Paradox in the Roadburn set now. Whoa! Even a jaded beggar like me is way getting blown away! :) The bits of piano coming into various songs in the set have been giving me _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ vibes (always one of my favorite albums), and then "Paradox" really rams it home. Nice one! I think the vocals are sometimes a little high in the mix, but everything else sounds pretty good, especially for a live recording. Alas, the rest of the set will probably have to wait for tomorrow ..... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 25 12:28:51 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:28:51 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 25 May 2006 16:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > However, the band ought to have *complete* control of whatever they are > producing *now*, including -- perhaps especially including -- live > performances. I have no doubt that the band could take a full > Brock-mixed recording of the Roadburn performance (as a single example) > and stream a lo-fi version for free while selling downloadable MP3s, > AACs (through iTunes), CD-quality FLAC downloads, and perhaps even some > physical CDs themselves (through their own mailorder service or at > shows, if nothing else). This is *exactly* what loads of other bands > are doing, and very successfully. Hawkwind has only to start doing the > same to start reaping the benefits. Yup, every Click on a link to a live gig could send five quid from someone's Paypal account to Hawkwind's Paypal account with nary a need for anyone to do much but check three times a day that the website is running. Pretty much all of that fiver would go to the band too. Sure they'd have to pay a couple of percent to Paypal and some to whoever manages the website, but compared to the One Pound something the band gets from a ten quid CD sale through a record company, that's a pretty good deal. All it needs in infrastucture is an upgrade to the website and between the folks in this conversation the technical expertise almost certainly is there and the willingness to do it for access to free downloads. If the worry is that folks will print them to CD and sell them then the answer is that damn near anyone younger than 30 would rather download than buy a CD. Those oldsters that would rather have a CD could be catered to by offering them copies by mail order or simply printing easy-to-follow instructions of how to go from download to CD on their own computer (I'll write them for free - it's what I do) and offering the covers for print on the Hawkwind website. Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.... ...there's sixty quid in the Hawkwind bank account for no effort and no ten-percenters. Surely that's worth thinking about? FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 12:39:38 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:39:38 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605251628.k4PGSpt4006046@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mike, It all sounds so easy in theory but it is about the people involved; if people do not understand, or are afraid of, the potential of technology or of the fans, they will not do it. I tried to make this happen in the past! Colin M Holmes wrote: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > However, the band ought to have *complete* control of whatever they are > producing *now*, including -- perhaps especially including -- live > performances. I have no doubt that the band could take a full > Brock-mixed recording of the Roadburn performance (as a single example) > and stream a lo-fi version for free while selling downloadable MP3s, > AACs (through iTunes), CD-quality FLAC downloads, and perhaps even some > physical CDs themselves (through their own mailorder service or at > shows, if nothing else). This is *exactly* what loads of other bands > are doing, and very successfully. Hawkwind has only to start doing the > same to start reaping the benefits. Yup, every Click on a link to a live gig could send five quid from someone's Paypal account to Hawkwind's Paypal account with nary a need for anyone to do much but check three times a day that the website is running. Pretty much all of that fiver would go to the band too. Sure they'd have to pay a couple of percent to Paypal and some to whoever manages the website, but compared to the One Pound something the band gets from a ten quid CD sale through a record company, that's a pretty good deal. All it needs in infrastucture is an upgrade to the website and between the folks in this conversation the technical expertise almost certainly is there and the willingness to do it for access to free downloads. If the worry is that folks will print them to CD and sell them then the answer is that damn near anyone younger than 30 would rather download than buy a CD. Those oldsters that would rather have a CD could be catered to by offering them copies by mail order or simply printing easy-to-follow instructions of how to go from download to CD on their own computer (I'll write them for free - it's what I do) and offering the covers for print on the Hawkwind website. Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.... ...there's sixty quid in the Hawkwind bank account for no effort and no ten-percenters. Surely that's worth thinking about? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 25 13:02:15 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:02:15 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Thu, 25 May 2006 17:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > Mike, > It all sounds so easy in theory but it is about the people involved; > if people do not understand, or are afraid of, the potential of > technology or of the fans, they will not do it. I tried to make > this happen in the past! Maybe the band could just outsource the download side of things to the fans through one of the fan websites. All the band need to do is supply the recordings for download. If the band then don't see money coming in then they could always pull the plug. The upside is that the band could see a continuous stream of income which would help put on tours, festivals and finance new albums. The downside is what? Someone, somewhere will do some home-taping? We ourselves will spot any illicit Ebay trading, supposing that could anyway be done in a way that could compete with reasonably priced downloads. A record company will blanch at a deal? Even they know by now that they have to download or die because that's what the folks who pay their wages want. There's a cash cow here that needs milking: make some Moosic guys! FoFP From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu May 25 16:05:44 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:05:44 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605251702.k4PH2FC1012058@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I will make one more comment on this thread before I back off it. All of these arguments have been gone through in the past; there seemed to be certain reasons why the band were/are not willing to go down this road, none of which were, imho, either credible or rational. Anyway, didn't you know that all of the live recordings that I made during my time with the band were available for sale on my website at the time?;). You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Colin M Holmes wrote: Colin Allen writes: > Mike, > It all sounds so easy in theory but it is about the people involved; > if people do not understand, or are afraid of, the potential of > technology or of the fans, they will not do it. I tried to make > this happen in the past! Maybe the band could just outsource the download side of things to the fans through one of the fan websites. All the band need to do is supply the recordings for download. If the band then don't see money coming in then they could always pull the plug. The upside is that the band could see a continuous stream of income which would help put on tours, festivals and finance new albums. The downside is what? Someone, somewhere will do some home-taping? We ourselves will spot any illicit Ebay trading, supposing that could anyway be done in a way that could compete with reasonably priced downloads. A record company will blanch at a deal? Even they know by now that they have to download or die because that's what the folks who pay their wages want. There's a cash cow here that needs milking: make some Moosic guys! FoFP From zim594j at TNINET.SE Thu May 25 14:50:21 2006 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:50:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: GrobSchnitt In-Reply-To: <44753F63.3080503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I seriously need to win the lottery:) How true! :'( _______ To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects for the future.- Neil Peart From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu May 25 17:50:49 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:50:49 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: hmmm - but bear in mind that not everyone in the world is a super computer user either in terms of understanding what the technology is doing nor in the quality of their computers.... click. click. damn it - what's up with this damn machine - don't tell me it's gone to sleep on me again. click, click-click-click, click. For goodness sake why is nothing happening - I know I haven't got broadband yet but surely it should be doing something by now - maybe the link isn't working. Click click-click-click-click-click-click-click. Come on. Don't just sit there blinking at me. Click, click, click, click Oh I give up. Ping! - ah I've got email....... > Dear Mr Smiff - thank you for using Paypal. Your account has just been > debited by 50 pounds. We hope you enjoy your purchase.< ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than just-a-click-away? However I have to confess that although I've seen sites where MP3 tracks were available for payment I've never clicked on one! What actually happens when you do? Sorry if this sounds stupidly ignorant - it is! I have never downloaded paid music from a web site and have no idea how you pay the fee! Replies had better be off- list since this is getting a bit off topic. thanks jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Yup, every Click on a link to a live gig could send five quid from > someone's Paypal account to Hawkwind's Paypal account with nary a need > for anyone to do much but check three times a day that the website is > running. Pretty much all of that fiver would go to the band too. Sure > Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.Click.... > > ...there's sixty quid in the Hawkwind bank account for no effort and no > ten-percenters. Surely that's worth thinking about? > > FoFP > > > From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu May 25 19:51:02 2006 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:51:02 -0400 Subject: OFF:Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <00a401c68045$496df700$6865a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: Jill Strobridge wrote: > ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than > just-a-click-away? However I have to confess that although I've seen > sites where MP3 tracks were available for payment I've never clicked > on one! What actually happens when you do? Sorry if this sounds > stupidly ignorant - it is! I have never downloaded paid music from a > web site and have no idea how you pay the fee! Replies had better > be off- list since this is getting a bit off topic. I've never bought MP3's. With iTunes, I set up an account and then when I click Buy Song or Buy Album, it deducts the money from my paypal/credit card account. I imagine the MP3 sites would ask you to create an account or would take you to a "checkout" page when you clicked the song. I haven't bought anything compressed in a while - I think the last thing was a Widespread Panic New Years concert only available on iTunes. I prefer to have the physical media, that way I can choose which format and what bitrate I want and I can decide where I want to listen (car, computer, stereo, mp3 player, friends house, etc.) J From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri May 26 04:45:30 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:45:30 +0100 Subject: OFF:Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <447642E6.20908@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 26/05/2006 00:51, Jerry G wrote: > I haven't bought anything compressed in a while - I think the last > thing was a Widespread > Panic New Years concert only available on iTunes. I prefer to have the > physical media, that > way I can choose which format and what bitrate I want and I can decide > where I want to > listen (car, computer, stereo, mp3 player, friends house, etc.) Agreed. I've bought maybe 3 or 4 tracks from iTMS to sooth a few "can't get the tune out of my head" or "want to see if these guys suck" kinda way -- it's price of a Coke, after all -- but I'm not into buying lossy stuff. On the other hand, I'm very happy buying CD-quality FLAC files instead of physical media. I can burn my own discs, rip it for the iPod, or whatever I want. Thoujgh to buy Panic, I'd hit livedownloads.com, which has 87 Widespread Panic concerts purchaseable as FLAC (or MP3, I suppose) and a preorder for the new studio album :) iTMS is clearly a "most common denominator" kinda thing. Once connection speeds have increased enough, they'll probably sell in Apple Lossless format (similar to FLAC in size), which will be much more attractive. Right now, downloading FLACs is something I leave to go overnight or whilst at work. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri May 26 05:30:38 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:30:38 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <00a401c68045$496df700$6865a8c0@jillspc> Message-ID: On 25/05/2006 17:28, M Holmes wrote: > If the worry is that folks will print them to CD and sell them then the > answer is that damn near anyone younger than 30 would rather download > than buy a CD. Those oldsters that would rather have a CD could be > catered to by offering them copies by mail order or simply printing > easy-to-follow instructions of how to go from download to CD on their > own computer (I'll write them for free - it's what I do) and offering > the covers for print on the Hawkwind website. On 25/05/2006 22:50, Jill Strobridge wrote: > hmmm - but bear in mind that not everyone in the world is a super > computer user either in terms of understanding what the technology is > doing nor in the quality of their computers.... Reasonable queries. Nonetheless, the present is here ;) and enough people are already comfortable with this stuff to make the model viable and successful. I mean, clearly not everyone purchasing Grateful Dead concerts from 1972 is a 13-year-old hacker :) But hit the downloads section of and you'll find more GD concerts and studio albums than I can be arsed to count available to purchase as downloads (in 2 flavours of MP3 and, of course, FLAC). You get PDF album covers too, which you can printout and slap into a jewel case if/when you burn your files to a CD. And if, somehow, the process of purchasing a download defeats us, then we can still buy (much of) the material on physical discs that get sent in the snail mail, just like they've always been :) Costs a bit more that way, but hey, producing discs and stuff costs money, so there you go. There is no one selling pirated copies of the downloads (or discs) because there's no money in doing so. It's much easier for fans to buy the music they want in the format of their choice directly from the legitimate source. It's as simple as that. > ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than > just-a-click-away? No ... No it doesn't :) Buying downloads is just like buying anything else online except that the final page, instead of saying "Thanks for your order; it will be posted to you" says "Thanks for your order; click to download." :) Usually you have 48 hours to get your downloads, which should be enough for even 3 or 4 discs of FLACS at common broadband speeds. If there's a problem, you contact customer service and they sort it out (just like with Amazon or something), because the cost of pissing you off is much higher than the cost of giving you another 48 hours ;) These questions are answered in things like the livedownloads FAQ: . (Bands with enough volume in download sales maintain their sites -- even the famously Napster-hating Metallica have -- but livedownloads.com is the biggest catch-all for everyone else. It would be, I think, the sensible venue to start selling Hawkwind concert downloads at this time. No need to reinvent the wheel.) Cheers, Carl ObLegitimatelyRecordedFreeDownload: "Hawkwind @ Roadburn 2006". Getting into the last few tracks and still very rocking! If the FLACs were available, Hawkwind would already have another 15 bucks in their pockets. -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri May 26 06:02:07 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:02:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mountain (was re: BOC: More cowbell - this weeks NME) In-Reply-To: <20060519220815.egq4bztxbswooww8@webmail.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:08:15PM +0100, Mike Godwin typed out: > But for mega-cowbell, Corky Laing on Mississippi Queen is the big one! > Is he still playing with Mountain? I'll find out on Wednesday! > n.p. Travlin in the Dark, can't see a thing, travlin in the DARK [la > la, la-la la LA, li la la-la LA la-la LA LAH!] - Mountain Dammit. That's `Nantucket Sleighride' fixed firmly as today's work earworm. Still, I suppose it could be much much worse, before that it was Lordi's Eurovision song whose title I'm not even going to soil the Internet with... Yours, Jon P. S. They keep talking about getting a hi-fi in this department, and then remember I'm here and somehow the plan gets shelved :-) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 06:03:18 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:03:18 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Thu, 25 May 2006 22:50:49 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than > just-a-click-away? However I have to confess that although I've seen sites > where MP3 tracks were available for payment I've never clicked on one! > What actually happens when you do? Sorry if this sounds stupidly > ignorant - it is! I have never downloaded paid music from a web site and > have no idea how you pay the fee! The simplest way is to take an online account, such as Paypal, which is linked to your credit card (or you can just put money in from a linked bank account). Then you CLICK on the web button to download the music of choice. You select Paypal to pay. That takes you to the Paypal secure site to be billed. Another CLICK on the Pay Now button and the money wings its way from your Paypal account to that of the band, with a fee going to Paypal (2% of small purchases I think). You see the bill later on your credit card statement. The band can either use the funds to buy something online or decant them to a Real World bank account to spend on beer. You type in credit card details once at the Paypal site and then anything on the web that's for sale really is just a couple of clicks away. Businesses that sell on Ebay see regular money coming in that way because they relist the same items every day or even every hour. Obviously there are many thousands of bands that get their bread and butter this way - most of them will probably never ever see a standard record deal. FoFP From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 26 07:02:36 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:02:36 +0000 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <200605261003.k4QA3IN7020619@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: ok..this is a bit offtrack in places, but carries on the "how bands earn bread and butter money" by "paid for downloads",..".bands that will never get a standard record deal.." There was an interesting article in the respected Guardian Newspaper. A certain band were the FRONT PAGE featured band at myspace.com(the bands section of myspace)Being a featured front page band is a big coup on a site with 73+million members....Some interesting statistics were gathered... 1) Number of new FREE downloads(each band can make 4 songs free to download)- the number ran into hundred of thousands. 2)Number of new fans-AGAIN, the number ran into hundreds of thousands. 3)Number of people who purchased their cd, or paid to download their album at "pay sites"......ZERO.... What does this tell me???Were they THAT bad?Judging by the people who snapped up the FREE downloads..clearly not... ..We basically sadly now live in a world where(especially regards your ipod/Mp3 youngsters).. we'll gladly grab something for nothing..but as for digging into our pockets for a measly few pence/cents to help a band..well, hell, no..lets find some more free stuff on the web somewhere.... ...Which brings me back to the Roadburn festival stream.If Hawkwind HAD made this PAY TO DOWNLOAD, which they PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE, IN HINDSIGHT...it would have been interesting to compare figures .. We can also debate the sound quality.."oh its not even 128 mp3 qual, so i'll buy the official cd anyway" blah blah...but as most have pointed out..its the best sounding recording for many years..And...people happily forked out a few pounds for the horrendous quality of the Bring me the head of Yuri Gagarin mess...Funny world.. pete >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:03:18 +0100 > >Jill Strobridge writes: > > > ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than > > just-a-click-away? However I have to confess that although I've seen >sites > > where MP3 tracks were available for payment I've never clicked on one! > > What actually happens when you do? Sorry if this sounds stupidly > > ignorant - it is! I have never downloaded paid music from a web site >and > > have no idea how you pay the fee! > >The simplest way is to take an online account, such as Paypal, which is >linked to your credit card (or you can just put money in from a linked >bank account). > >Then you CLICK on the web button to download the music of choice. You >select Paypal to pay. That takes you to the Paypal secure site to be >billed. Another CLICK on the Pay Now button and the money wings its way >from your Paypal account to that of the band, with a fee going to Paypal >(2% of small purchases I think). You see the bill later on your credit >card statement. The band can either use the funds to buy something >online or decant them to a Real World bank account to spend on beer. > >You type in credit card details once at the Paypal site and then >anything on the web that's for sale really is just a couple of clicks >away. Businesses that sell on Ebay see regular money coming in that way >because they relist the same items every day or even every hour. >Obviously there are many thousands of bands that get their bread and >butter this way - most of them will probably never ever see a standard >record deal. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri May 26 07:46:23 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:46:23 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26/05/2006 12:02, pete howe wrote: > There was an interesting article in the respected Guardian Newspaper. > A certain band were the FRONT PAGE featured band at myspace.com(the > bands section of myspace)Being a featured front page band is a big coup > on a site with 73+million members....Some interesting statistics were > gathered... > 1) Number of new FREE downloads(each band can make 4 songs free to > download)- the number ran into hundred of thousands. > 2)Number of new fans-AGAIN, the number ran into hundreds of thousands. > 3)Number of people who purchased their cd, or paid to download their > album at "pay sites"......ZERO.... > What does this tell me???Were they THAT bad?Judging by the people who > snapped up the FREE downloads..clearly not... Myspace.com is not iTunes Music Store, nor even a site that sells concert recording downloads. Do the sell anything? Being most popular on myspace means nothing; being popular on iTMS means money in the bank. Over a *billion* songs have been sold via the iTunes Music Store. A *billion*! And since launching video downloads last autumn, over 25 million of those have already been sold. It's pretty clear where demand is headed. > ..We basically sadly now live in a world where(especially regards your > ipod/Mp3 youngsters).. we'll gladly grab something for nothing..but as > for digging into our pockets for a measly few pence/cents to help a > band..well, hell, no..lets find some more free stuff on the web > somewhere.... Only "now"? What, like, in the past people nobly paid for things they could have had for free? I must have missed mention of that golden age in my history classes .... ;) There's no Nobel Prize for figuring out that people listen to free stuff much faster than they listen to stuff that costs money. If I can check out a band's song for free, then you can be sure I'll check 'em out much faster than if I have to pay. If I don't like them, then I'll have downloaded their song -- one notch in the statistic-o-meter -- but I might well never listen to it again. There's so much legitimate and free music online that I couldn't hope to download and listen to it all -- so why I am I going to pay for something just to try it on? I don't have to do that when buying trousers ;) so why should I for music? I'll only pay for something when I know it's worth paying for. > ...Which brings me back to the Roadburn festival stream.If Hawkwind HAD > made this PAY TO DOWNLOAD, which they PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE, IN > HINDSIGHT...it would have been interesting to compare figures .. _Of course_ they should have made it pay to download, in MP3 and CD-quality files alike. That's the whole point! That was the first thing I said on this list after the availability of the Roadburn stream was announced. Case in point: The most popular download on livedownloads.com right now is a Widespread Panic gig from last month. It's 3 CDs worth of music, all mixed from the soundboard, and costs USD 16 for FLACS and USD 11 for MP3s (and includes printable PDF jewel-case inserts). Of course, you can also go to etree.org and within seconds find an audience recording of exactly the same gig for free in either CD-quality or (if that's not good enough) _24-bit_ FLAC downloads (). But, nevertheless, enough people are still buying the official soundboard release for 11 to 16 bucks to make its sale a viable, revenue-producing business. It's a simple fact: If you are making good music, you can let people give swap the audience recordings for free and still make money selling your soundboards (and studio albums). So, if we all agree Hawkwind are making good music, then .... Hmmm. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri May 26 09:28:02 2006 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:28:02 +0100 Subject: Off: tBS: Euro tour Message-ID: From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: Re: tBS: Euro tour On 24/05/2006 23:33, Charlie Grant wrote: >> I see that there is a European tour booked for BSNYC at the end of november for Germany / Belgium. >Oooo, I hope so! Paola's threatening to have us move to Colombia at the >end of the year, so barring a South American tour, this might be my best >shot at another tBS gig :) It might be your last shot as well! Columbia man? - I havn't seen it featured on a Place in the Sun - but it frequently shows up in documentaries about drugs... and guns.... cheers M From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri May 26 09:51:08 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:51:08 +0100 Subject: Off: tBS: Euro tour In-Reply-To: <447711BE.10139.2EA686AE@localhost> Message-ID: On 26/05/2006 14:28, Maxine Wesley wrote: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson >>Oooo, I hope so! Paola's threatening to have us move to Colombia at the >>end of the year, so barring a South American tour, this might be my best >>shot at another tBS gig :) > > It might be your last shot as well! Columbia man? - I havn't seen it > featured on a Place in the Sun - but it frequently shows up in > documentaries about drugs... and guns.... Yes, well, I've been a few times on holiday now -- it's not _quite_ as dramatic as the copy ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri May 26 14:12:28 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:12:28 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk Message-ID: Thank you for that! It certainly sounds straightforward and simple enough. I also understand that Ebay and Yahoo recently agreed on a merger - mainly so that Yahoo could get use of Paypal so clearly it's the way things are going. cheers jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk > Jill Strobridge writes: > >> ok I'm a pedant but surely it needs to be much harder than >> just-a-click-away? However I have to confess that although I've seen >> sites >> where MP3 tracks were available for payment I've never clicked on one! >> What actually happens when you do? Sorry if this sounds stupidly >> ignorant - it is! I have never downloaded paid music from a web site and >> have no idea how you pay the fee! > > The simplest way is to take an online account, such as Paypal, which is > linked to your credit card (or you can just put money in from a linked > bank account). > > Then you CLICK on the web button to download the music of choice. You > select Paypal to pay. That takes you to the Paypal secure site to be > billed. Another CLICK on the Pay Now button and the money wings its way > from your Paypal account to that of the band, with a fee going to Paypal > (2% of small purchases I think). You see the bill later on your credit > card statement. The band can either use the funds to buy something > online or decant them to a Real World bank account to spend on beer. > > You type in credit card details once at the Paypal site and then > anything on the web that's for sale really is just a couple of clicks > away. Businesses that sell on Ebay see regular money coming in that way > because they relist the same items every day or even every hour. > Obviously there are many thousands of bands that get their bread and > butter this way - most of them will probably never ever see a standard > record deal. > > FoFP > > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri May 26 14:34:01 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:01 -0700 Subject: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060525200544.7641.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin Allen wrote: >Anyway, didn't you know that all of the live recordings that I made during >my time with the band were available for sale on my website at the time?;). No. Were they really? Is there some sarcastic humor embedded here I'm not grasping? Seriously, were they really? Anyway, I've been lurking on this thread (well, not much discussion right now outside this thread, so) with some interest, and think Carl (& others) seems to have put together a hell of an argument for action on the part of the management team. And that's coming from someone who is essentially in the same situation as Jill, in that I've downloaded about 10 mp3s in my life (all free), and don't have the faintest clue what FLAC is. (It's not a duck?) My home computer (a hand-me-down from over 10 years ago) is effectively an abacus, with no internet access (I'm at the library) because it would be pointless. I keep telling myself that I'll by a state-of-the-art multi-media computer for myself to get caught up on all this online music (I could at least listen to Jerry's radio shows at A-I.com), but then I always think I'll wait until they're just one fraction 'better'. I just really *hate* planned obsolescence, ie., knowing you're buying something that will be useless in two years. So I put if off again and again. But that's the nature of the game now...no avoiding it. So what I need is some incentive to force me to act, to get me off my Luddite ass and take advantage of all this stuff. What Carl has outlined would be exactly that. 'Missing out' would suddenly become more than just tangible, but screamingly obvious. Like I'm already feeling totally left out because I can't even listen to the streaming Roadburn set, let alone figure out all the instructions for saving a hard copy. And if there were *lots* of shows being offered on a pay-to-download (I have a PayPal account, even a seller's account through Ebay, so I'm good there) coming straight from Hawkwind the band to me, with the money going straight back the other way, I'd buy a computer tomorrow. Seriously. Do it. Please. (/soapbox) Grakkl P.S. Orange Goblin last night here in Columbus...my ears still hurt. Cool song selection...Solarisphere, Blue Snow, Quincy, Scorpionica, Hot Magic/Red Planet...older tracks I didn't expect really. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri May 26 16:48:24 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:48:24 +0100 Subject: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060526183401.79842.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't worry, you did not miss out on buying any recordings from me; it was sarcastic humour:). According to certain people who shall remain nameless, I was selling the recordings that I made to all of you via my website. Perhaps I should have done it and passed the money on to the band; that way, they might have seen the benefit of selling things that people want to buy! By the way, Mr Brock has now asked that the Punkcast streams and downloads be taken down; apparently they will have gone by the end of the weekend. Colin Keith Henderson wrote: Colin Allen wrote: >Anyway, didn't you know that all of the live recordings that I made during >my time with the band were available for sale on my website at the time?;). No. Were they really? Is there some sarcastic humor embedded here I'm not grasping? Seriously, were they really? Anyway, I've been lurking on this thread (well, not much discussion right now outside this thread, so) with some interest, and think Carl (& others) seems to have put together a hell of an argument for action on the part of the management team. And that's coming from someone who is essentially in the same situation as Jill, in that I've downloaded about 10 mp3s in my life (all free), and don't have the faintest clue what FLAC is. (It's not a duck?) My home computer (a hand-me-down from over 10 years ago) is effectively an abacus, with no internet access (I'm at the library) because it would be pointless. I keep telling myself that I'll by a state-of-the-art multi-media computer for myself to get caught up on all this online music (I could at least listen to Jerry's radio shows at A-I.com), but then I always think I'll wait until they're just one fraction 'better'. I just really *hate* planned obsolescence, ie., knowing you're buying something that will be useless in two years. So I put if off again and again. But that's the nature of the game now...no avoiding it. So what I need is some incentive to force me to act, to get me off my Luddite ass and take advantage of all this stuff. What Carl has outlined would be exactly that. 'Missing out' would suddenly become more than just tangible, but screamingly obvious. Like I'm already feeling totally left out because I can't even listen to the streaming Roadburn set, let alone figure out all the instructions for saving a hard copy. And if there were *lots* of shows being offered on a pay-to-download (I have a PayPal account, even a seller's account through Ebay, so I'm good there) coming straight from Hawkwind the band to me, with the money going straight back the other way, I'd buy a computer tomorrow. Seriously. Do it. Please. (/soapbox) Grakkl P.S. Orange Goblin last night here in Columbus...my ears still hurt. Cool song selection...Solarisphere, Blue Snow, Quincy, Scorpionica, Hot Magic/Red Planet...older tracks I didn't expect really. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From chrisow at SHAW.CA Fri May 26 23:02:17 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:02:17 -0700 Subject: Roadburn Festival Message-ID: Well I had to butt in here and comment on the Roadburn Festival download.... Twothumbsupdoubleplusdamnfuckcuntpissgoodyesbabyexcellent sevenbysevenespeciallyrockedwelldoneknockoutcoolbrimming withcosmicenergywishiwastheredownloaditandplay itwiththepicsandyouralmosttherewelldoneguys!!!!!! Thankyou for your attention /Chris From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat May 27 09:23:33 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:23:33 +0100 Subject: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <1148465534.927.11.camel@dell8600.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:12:14AM +0100, Paul Mather typed out: > Oh, and thanks also for the presumption that those who download this > stream won't also buy the official release when it comes out. Kudos for > the extra hint at the end that people will flog it on eBay, too. I'm not saying it'll be anyone here who does it, but I'm sure it *will* be on Ebay, and more certainly still on bootleg CD stalls in markets across the country before the month is out. The question is whether this matters to the band's revenue or not, and really I doubt very much that it does. Nobody buys crappy audience recordings or even compressed streams who doesn't have the real stuff already, surely? But really the band don't need to worry about eBay bandits, because people like us will report them. If there's anyone making money out of their music that isn't the band it's still the old-style bootleggers. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun May 28 06:30:49 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 06:30:49 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock Radio show + New Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com MAY 28, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #152). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this past week: 2 new Spacious Mind releases that are part of their limited edition CDR series. A new solo album by Spacious Mind keyboardist, Jen, and a new CD from Spacious Mind friends, Rad Kjetil and the Loving Eye of God. I finally got more copies of the debut CD by Finnish band, Taipuva Luotisuora. The first batch flew out the door. And I finally received the long awaited (by me anyway) new CD by Michigan based Space/Psych/Kraut rockers, THTX. And finally, I got a new Nasoni label release by American Stoner band, Mos Generator, plus a bunch of Nasoni CD restocks (Weltraumstaunen, Causa Sui, Zone Six and Earthling Society). For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store. WE?VE GOT A MINI ZINE UPDATE COMING NEXT WEEKEND, FEATURING COVERAGE OF THE 2006 ROADBURN FESTIVAL, PLUS INTERVIEWS WITH DAVE BROCK, NIK SALOMAN (BEVIS FROND), MR DIBS (SPACEHEAD), AND EARTHLING SOCIETY, PLUS A HANDFUL OF REVIEWS. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #152) The Spacious Mind ? ?The One That Really Won The War? (from Club Rothko 060905) Earthling Society ? ?Kosmik Suite No. 1? (From Plastic Jesus & the 3rd Eye Blind) Jens ? ?Then This Is Just A Wake? (from If You?ve seen me lately, please tell me where I?ve been) Charles van de Kree - "The Cyberdyne Revolution" (from Phoenix Rising) Zlad ? ?Elektronic Supersonik? (from ?) The Barbarellatones ? ?I Had Sex With A C.H.U.D.? (from Invasion of the Surf Zombies) THTX ? ?Macrocosmic Refraction? (from The Lost City) The Evolution Control Committee ? ?The F*cking Moon? (from web site download) R?d Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God ? ?Mattmar? (from Mattmar) Dungen ? ?Du E F?r Fin F?r Mig? (from tad et lugnt) The Spacious Mind ? ?Part 1? (excerpt) (from Tonen) http://Aural-Innovations.com From albert at CELLSUM.COM Sun May 28 12:25:07 2006 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:25:07 -0400 Subject: tBS: Birthday greetings In-Reply-To: <001001c67f7f$6c8be740$0202a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: Thanks Charlie. It was a great one. Al On May 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Charlie Grant wrote: > Happy birthdat Al. > Have a good one. > I can't believe that's another year gone. > party hard. > > CtGB. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon May 29 09:50:00 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:50:00 +0100 Subject: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060526183401.79842.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 26 May 2006, at 19:34, Keith Henderson wrote: > Anyway, I've been lurking on this thread (well, not much discussion > right now outside this thread, so) with some interest, and think > Carl (& others) seems to have put together a hell of an argument > for action on the part of the management team. And that's coming > from someone who is essentially in the same situation as Jill, in > that I've downloaded about 10 mp3s in my life (all free), and don't > have the faintest clue what FLAC is. (It's not a duck?) ;) "Free Lossless Audio Codec". See also and . > My home computer (a hand-me-down from over 10 years ago) is > effectively an abacus, with no internet access (I'm at the library) > because it would be pointless. I keep telling myself that I'll by > a state-of-the-art multi-media computer for myself to get caught up > on all this online music (I could at least listen to Jerry's radio > shows at A-I.com), but then I always think I'll wait until they're > just one fraction 'better'. I just really *hate* planned > obsolescence, ie., knowing you're buying something that will be > useless in two years. So I put if off again and again. But that's > the nature of the game now...no avoiding it. That's pretty much always been the technology game -- at least, since the Industrial Revolution turned up the speed on innovation and production starting a few centuries ago. Anyway -- at least you can now be sure that you don't need a "state of the art" computer to do stuff like listen to/watch multimedia stuff. After all, the masses want to have access to cool multimedia stuff, and yer bog-standard bought-it-off-the-shelf computer that didn't do pretty much everything the average music fan wants. My G4 iBook is officially 2 generations behind these days (at least) and desperately needs an additional hard-drive hanging off the side. But it's got more than enough moxie for downloadable music (that's really a space issue, thus the need for more drive space!) and for my humble (very humble!) home-studio aspirations (all freely downloadable! :D). > So what I need is some incentive to force me to act, to get me off > my Luddite ass and take advantage of all this stuff. What Carl has > outlined would be exactly that. 'Missing out' would suddenly > become more than just tangible, but screamingly obvious. Like I'm > already feeling totally left out because I can't even listen to the > streaming Roadburn set, let alone figure out all the instructions > for saving a hard copy. And if there were *lots* of shows being > offered on a pay-to-download (I have a PayPal account, even a > seller's account through Ebay, so I'm good there) coming straight > from Hawkwind the band to me, with the money going straight back > the other way, I'd buy a computer tomorrow. Seriously. Do it. > Please. There are "lots of shows" being offered as pay-per-download (though not, alas, Hawkwind shows). Go check and its associated sites. There are lots of free shows, too; go check which currently lists *35,000* concert recordings freely available in one form or another (mostly downloadable MP3 and/ or FLAC, some streaming). I find it ironic that the current top-selling show on livedownloads.com was recorded the *exact same day* that Hawkwind recorded Roadburn (but Hawkwind is selling nothing while complaining when fans want to capture a low-bitrate streamed recording, while Widespread Panic is selling their soundboard recording even while allowing fans to freely distribute their audience recordings. Uh, can there still be any question about what the better decision is here?). > P.S. Orange Goblin last night here in Columbus...my ears still > hurt. Cool song selection...Solarisphere, Blue Snow, Quincy, > Scorpionica, Hot Magic/Red Planet...older tracks I didn't expect > really. That's cool. Post _Big Black_, I thought they lost a lot of their melodic groove that had made them interesting in the first place. I didn't end up getting _Rage of Angels_ or whatever it was, or whatever else they may have done next. But there's always a soft spot in my heart for Orange Goblin. "Blue Snow" has never left my iPod! Now if they'll just start playing "Saruman's Wish" again :) Cheers, Carl ObFreshlyPurchasedAndDownloadedFLAC: Gov't Mule, "Mr. High & Mighty", 22 May 2006, Bowery Ballroom, New York City, NY, USA. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK Mon May 29 15:55:49 2006 From: mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK (Mark Painter) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:55:49 +0100 Subject: Getting stuff to Dave Message-ID: Just got a DVD of the Band that I would like to pass onto Dave. What would be the best address? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon May 29 16:52:49 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:52:49 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <4475CF99.9080701@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:39:05PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Go to eBay and look for illegal CDs of Gov't Mule or Phish or _any_ > other band that encourages audience taping _and_ sells official live > downloads _and_ AACs through iTunes _and_ sells physical CDs in shops as > well. OK, I just had a very cursory look, but I didn't see any illegal > CDs on eBay from either of those bands. > So ... is there some good reason Hawkwind wouldn't benefit from a > similar process? The things that bothers me with such parallels, if I can do my usual thing and play devil's advocate, is that the real success stories on this field all seem to be in the US jamband scene, which is huge and apparently equipped with many wealthy and fanatic fans. And some poor fanatic ones also :-) Hawkwind's fanbase just isn't that mobilised, even if it might be huge. Also, those bands sell enough that a record label can either accept the situation, and the market, or else lump it, but Hawkwind can't muster the same sort of leverage. Of course the way to change that is to gather the fanbase in by selling stuff to them frequently, and I don't see what the band would have to lose except time by having live downloads for sale on their site while they're only with Voiceprint. They will get bootlegged, but it really should only be spillage over the edge of the vessel, if you see what I mean; no-one's going to choose the bootleg over a legit copy if they know there's a choice, and this is presumably the logic that Metallica finally worked out. But I don't think it's going to work as well for HW as it does for GM because GM are a special case and so are the bands they play with who've been mentioned in this thread, Phish, Widespread Panic, and so on. Other scenes really haven't got that kind of coherence IMO. Yours, Jon ObCD: suckerpunch - Global Village Idiot_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon May 29 17:55:03 2006 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:55:03 EDT Subject: Getting stuff to Dave Message-ID: In a message dated 05/29/2006 21:07:05 GMT Standard Time, mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK writes: Just got a DVD of the Band that I would like to pass onto Dave. What would be the best address? Send it to me. I'll be sure that he gets it. Steve. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon May 29 18:21:10 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:21:10 +0100 Subject: How to capture the Roadburn Festival webcast to disk In-Reply-To: <20060529205249.GJ21428@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 29 May 2006, at 21:52, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > The things that bothers me with such parallels, if I can do my > usual thing and play devil's advocate, is that the real success > stories > on this field all seem to be in the US jamband scene, which is huge > and > apparently equipped with many wealthy and fanatic fans. And some poor > fanatic ones also :-) Well, _mostly_ university students, actually. Unless things have changed since I were a lad, they'll fit more into the latter category .... > Hawkwind's fanbase just isn't that mobilised, even > if it might be huge. Also, those bands sell enough that a record label > can either accept the situation, and the market, or else lump it, but > Hawkwind can't muster the same sort of leverage. Originally, the situation we see in the States springs directly from the fact that it's much easier to rely on ticket sales from heavy touring in the States than in Europe. Thus the Grateful Dead didn't have to care if fans tapes the shows -- they could even encourage it, and still survive on concert revenues. But since audience tapes proved an *incredibly* successful form of viral marketing (after 20 years half the country had a Dead tape somewhere) the burgeoning "jam band" scene adopted it wholesale. Many bands kept some kind of control on soundboards (Phish used to keep their DAT soundboards whilst leaking analogue copies to the fans for trading), and once it had been established that fans would buy archival concert recordings, it was a short step to releasing whole tours on CD (Pearl Jam did that, no?), but since commercially produced CDs are really quite expensive in terms of overhead, the advancement of technology to the point where concerts could just be downloaded was like a godsend. And now, many fans are by-passing CDs completely even for the studio records. Which is why I don't think any difference in the "scene" really matter. The model has *changed*. Concert promoters in the States are waking up to the fact that it's not just about rabid Deadheads with thousands of patchouli-scented cassettes -- *lots* of people want a CD souvenir of the concert they just saw. Even the dreaded Clear Channel is scrambling to make it possible to buy, or at least place an order for, a CD copy on your way out of the venue. Do Hawkwind fans not buy stuff at shows? On the contray, those shirts and CD singles were going like hotcakes (whatever that means) at the last Hawkwind gig I saw! > Of course the way to > change that is to gather the fanbase in by selling stuff to them > frequently, and I don't see what the band would have to lose except > time > by having live downloads for sale on their site while they're only > with > Voiceprint. They will get bootlegged, but it really should only be > spillage over the edge of the vessel, if you see what I mean; no-one's > going to choose the bootleg over a legit copy if they know there's a > choice, and this is presumably the logic that Metallica finally worked > out. Metallica always allowed audience taping, of course. Metal they might have been, but that San Francisco legacy. They hurt themselves in the PR Department a bit by going ballistic over Napster, but of course a) people shouldn't steal music, and b) Metallica would be screwed if people stopped buying the studio albums ;) But honetly: Who's going to buy a bootleg when it's easier to buy the legit thing? It's no harder to bootleg a CD than a concert recording. Is there a big problem with people selling bootleg copies of the last Hawkwind studio album? Why would it be different with downloadable files? A CD is just a collection of files, after all. I don't understand the objection. > But I don't think it's going to work as well for HW as it does > for GM because GM are a special case and so are the bands they play > with > who've been mentioned in this thread, Phish, Widespread Panic, and so > on. Other scenes really haven't got that kind of coherence IMO. I don't think you need a scene with coherence. You just need to sell something. And what Hawkwind has is, basically, an untapped revenue stream, regardless of how many tour dates they put in. They overhead required to record and mix their shows is minimal -- I mean, Brock already *did* the hard work for Roadburn. The only remaining link in the chain is to sell fans the recording by download. There's no label involved, no production costs for discs and inserts. If no one buys the download, they've lost little but some time. If *anyone* buys the download, they've made some money that they wouldn't have otherwise made. Selling downloads, selling live downloads -- these are just examples of another change in the music business as the tech changes, just like selling _any_ kind of recording was when there were first recordings to sell. And perhaps there were musicians then, too, who resisted the idea of selling recorded version of their performances n a wax cylinder or whatever. It wasn't the way things used to be! But I guess we don't know who they are now ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue May 30 05:11:59 2006 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:11:59 +0100 Subject: Getting stuff to Dave Message-ID: >From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM >>In a message dated 05/29/2006 21:07:05 GMT Standard Time, >>mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK writes: >>Just got a DVD of the Band that I would like to pass onto Dave. >>What would be the best address? >Send it to me. I'll be sure that he gets it. No, no, no....send it to me.... ;-) cheers Maxine From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue May 30 05:45:03 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:45:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Orange Goblin (was: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival) In-Reply-To: <20060526183401.79842.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:34:01AM -0700, Keith Henderson typed out: > P.S. Orange Goblin last night here in Columbus...my ears still hurt. > Cool song selection...Solarisphere, Blue Snow, Quincy, Scorpionica, > Hot Magic/Red Planet...older tracks I didn't expect really. The last report I heard of Orange Goblin was that they'd lost Chris Butler the drummer, and what with him gone and only one guitarist they'd basically become a pub band with a big following. Do you reckon they've still got something special after all? They keep being on bills which I'm halfway convinced by and I don't really want to turn up and find that a band who were such a good live experience aren't any more, so I don't decide to go in time. All reports gratefully received, yours, Jon (who would of course go and see them anyway if they were playing pubs rather more) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 30 05:54:09 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:54:09 +0100 Subject: Getting stuff to Dave In-Reply-To: <00a101c68359$e233a040$6400000a@splodge> Message-ID: On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:55 +0100, Mark Painter wrote: > Just got a DVD of the Band that I would like to pass onto Dave. > What would be the best address? Give it to me; I'll be at Dave's this afternoon and I can pass it on to him then. (I don't know if he's very keen on The Band, but he is partial to a bit of Levon Helm.) Oh, wait a minute, you mean Dave BROCK! ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue May 30 05:56:24 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:56:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Orange Goblin In-Reply-To: <20060530094503.GC17382@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 30/05/2006 10:45, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > The last report I heard of Orange Goblin was that they'd lost > Chris Butler the drummer, and what with him gone and only one guitarist > they'd basically become a pub band with a big following. Do you reckon > they've still got something special after all? My skepticism has been allied with Jon's here. Much though I dig power-trios, I don't see Orange Goblin working that way. I think they they would do well with a keys player back again, at least, to keep some _groove_ in the sound. In fact, I think I'd recommend a keys player over re-adding a second guitarist. (Um, presumably they have a new drummer?) > Jon (who would of course go and see them anyway if they were playing > pubs rather more) Well, if they were playing in a pub near me, any way :) Mind you, they were basically in a pub the last time I saw them, but that was 1998 or something :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK Tue May 30 06:46:55 2006 From: colinjallen at YAHOO.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:46:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Orange Goblin (was: HW: How to capture the Roadburn Festival) In-Reply-To: <20060530094503.GC17382@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: The Goblin do seem to have recovered their form; they are an excellent live band again. Well worth seeing. Colin Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:34:01AM -0700, Keith Henderson typed out: > P.S. Orange Goblin last night here in Columbus...my ears still hurt. > Cool song selection...Solarisphere, Blue Snow, Quincy, Scorpionica, > Hot Magic/Red Planet...older tracks I didn't expect really. The last report I heard of Orange Goblin was that they'd lost Chris Butler the drummer, and what with him gone and only one guitarist they'd basically become a pub band with a big following. Do you reckon they've still got something special after all? They keep being on bills which I'm halfway convinced by and I don't really want to turn up and find that a band who were such a good live experience aren't any more, so I don't decide to go in time. All reports gratefully received, yours, Jon (who would of course go and see them anyway if they were playing pubs rather more) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" 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From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Tue May 30 09:19:57 2006 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:19:57 +0200 Subject: Getting stuff to Dave Message-ID: Send it to the adress (po box) you can use for the Hawkwind passport.It sure will get to Dave. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Painter" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Getting stuff to Dave > Just got a DVD of the Band that I would like to pass onto Dave. > What would be the best address? > > From mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK Wed May 31 07:26:10 2006 From: mpainter at SOUNDOUT.CO.UK (Mark Painter) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:26:10 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 May 2006 to 31 May 2006 (#2006-125) Message-ID: > Give it to me; I'll be at Dave's this afternoon and I can pass it on to > him then. (I don't know if he's very keen on The Band, but he is > partial to a bit of Levon Helm.) Oh, wait a minute, you mean Dave > BROCK! ;-) Now that made REALLY laugh out loud.... I suppose I could give it to Dave too, but I am not sure he knows Mr Brock either!