From management at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Mar 2 06:53:42 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:53:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Gig announcement Message-ID: -------------------------------------------- Gig Announcement! -------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will be headlining the Eastern Haze Festival at Great Yarmouth race course on Sat 22nd July 2006. For more details see www.easternhaze.com . More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com See you there! From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Mar 2 11:42:26 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:42:26 -0600 Subject: HW: Gig announcement In-Reply-To: <004701c63def$f66b40e0$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Hawkwind wrote: :Subject: HW: Gig announcement : :Hello Folks! : :Hawkwind will be headlining the Eastern Haze Festival at Great Yarmouth :race course on Sat 22nd July 2006. For more details see www.easternhaze.com. :More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com Nice line-up for that one. I'd add MQB, but otherwise, quite a nice line-up. Are there still thoughts on a separate hawkfest for the year? Given the timing and the line-up, this almost could be hawkfest ;-) Thanks, Arin (who still wishes that travelling to the UK via air from the US in the summer wasn't quite as egregiously expensive as it always seems to be...) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Infrastructure/Renewal Projects & Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 6 16:53:09 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:53:09 -0500 Subject: Eastern haze Message-ID: Can't believe i am probably going to see all my favourite bands in one festival, Roll on the day the tickets go on sale. See you all out there. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Mar 6 21:07:18 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:07:18 -0800 Subject: OFF: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac) In-Reply-To: <001401c623ee$846e5650$0901a8c0@allan9c4aac976> Message-ID: FYI...good music should be heard here...Grakkl Cul de Sac/Circle US tour: March 11 - Boston, MA - Great Scott March 12 - New York, NY - Knitting Factory March 13 - Charlottesville, VA - Twisted Tea Bazaar March 14 - Chapel Hill, NC - Local 506 March 15 - Atlanta, GA - Drunken Unicorn March 17 - Austin, TX - SXSW Festival, Emo's IV March 19 - Albuquerque, NM - Launchpad March 20 - San Diego, CA - Venue TBA March 21 - Los Angeles, CA - Knitting Factory ObCD: Darxtar - We Came Too Late --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 6 22:13:14 2006 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:13:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig announcement In-Reply-To: <004701c63def$f66b40e0$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 11:53:42AM -0000, Hawkwind wrote: > > Hawkwind will be headlining the Eastern Haze Festival at Great Yarmouth race course on Sat 22nd July 2006. > For more details see www.easternhaze.com . More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com > > See you there! You're due again in NYC soon, right? ;-) Steve From management at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Mar 8 10:42:00 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Gig announcement Message-ID: -------------------------------------------- Gig Announcement! -------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will be playing a Christmas/Solstice Party gig at the London Astoria on Wed Dec 20th 2006. More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com See you there! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 8 11:16:53 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:16:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: DarXtar (was: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac)) In-Reply-To: <20060307020718.62364.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 06:07:18PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > ObCD: Darxtar - We Came Too Late I've been wondering about that ever since I saw it, somewhat to my surprise, in stonerrock.com's mail-order catalogue. How does it compare to _Tombola_? Because that's an album I'm still trying to get my head around... Interested in your impressions, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From chip at PCC.COM Wed Mar 8 12:37:26 2006 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:37:26 -0500 Subject: tBS: more Denial of Death In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > ...metal that I didn't hear anyone else doing > (except for maybe Last Crack, remember them?). As I wait for my copy of DoD to be delivered, let me hoist another flag for Last Crack here. I think most of us on this list would really like "Burning Time" - some amazing stuff with lyrical content I just hadn't heard anywhere. Great. Excellent. And unlike anything else (as Al says). And I still thank Al for getting me a copy of "Sinister Funkhouse" (their first), which is hard to find. But the real news: they're back together! Check out lasttrack.com. They have a DVD, a new album, etc. The demos sound excellent. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Mar 8 13:16:49 2006 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:16:49 -0000 Subject: Gig announcement Message-ID: Wow that's surreal.......it's only 2 months and a little bit since the last one - still recovering! Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: HW: Gig announcement -------------------------------------------- Gig Announcement! -------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will be playing a Christmas/Solstice Party gig at the London Astoria on Wed Dec 20th 2006. More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com See you there! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 8 16:56:16 2006 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:56:16 -0500 Subject: tBS: more Denial of Death In-Reply-To: <20060308173726.GB17975@pcc.com> Message-ID: Ha that's funny. That Last Track group kicks ass. Al On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Chip Hart wrote: > Albert Bouchard wrote: >> ...metal that I didn't hear anyone else doing >> (except for maybe Last Crack, remember them?). > > As I wait for my copy of DoD to be delivered, let me hoist > another flag for Last Crack here. I think most of us on this > list would really like "Burning Time" - some amazing stuff with > lyrical content I just hadn't heard anywhere. Great. Excellent. > And unlike anything else (as Al says). > > And I still thank Al for getting me a copy of "Sinister > Funkhouse" (their first), which is hard to find. > > But the real news: they're back together! Check out > lasttrack.com. They have a DVD, a new album, etc. The demos > sound excellent. > > -- > Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got > Smarter. > Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Mar 9 06:24:08 2006 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:24:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Last Crack Message-ID: Hej Last Crack and Last Track.. have nothing to do with each other as far as I can see. I saw Last Crack back in 1992, I guess opening for Armored Saint, I believe.. Great band and I thought they disbanded some time ago. No idea about Last Track but it appears to be some sort of pop music.. scott www.oresundspacecollective.com From chip at PCC.COM Thu Mar 9 08:53:13 2006 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:53:13 -0500 Subject: tBS: more Denial of Death In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > Ha that's funny. That Last Track group kicks ass. OK, that took me a minute to figure out. SORRY! Check out lastcrack.com. They really ARE back together and should release something in 2006. I've got 'Burning Time' on now and it still amazes me. It ages quite gracefully. 'Mini Toboggan' is a classic for anyone who lives in the snowy north. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 9 13:32:02 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:32:02 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK in Nederland 3/21-4/3 + New Information ( introducing SKALBEAGGAR ) Message-ID: Greetings friends, SLOTERDIJK/Mike Burro will perform a live session on Dutch radio program 'Psychedelicatessen", ( hosted by Feddo Renier) on March 26th. The show begins at 8PM Dutch time. Check out the station for details at: http://freeteam.nl/patapoe/ THESE BROADCASTS AVAILABLE IN STREAMING DIGITAL SOUND!!! For Feddo's exact schedule and playlists: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/psychedelicatessen/ SLOTERDIJK/Mike Burro sites http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Introducing SKALBEAGGAR Mike is trying to work out a show with northern Holland's SKALBEAGGAR. There's not too much time, so if gig information does not appear here before March 20th, please listen to Feddo's broadcast on the 26th!!!! If it happens, the show will take place between 3/27-3/31. Anyone in northern Holland near Leeuwaarden interested in helping book this show please contact Sloterdijk at msn.com and also SKALBEAGGAR at tse at tsunamiprojects.com Mike is also seeking additional gigs in Northern Holland between 3/27-3/31. If you can help or are interested in booking a show please email directly to Sloterdijk at msn.com Check out SKALBEAGGAR!!! sites ( English & Dutch ) http://www.tsunamiprojects.com/introductie/sound/skalbeaggar/skal_eng/skal_eng.html http://music.download.com/skalbeaggar1/3600-8474_32-100639586.html?tag=MDL_listing_song_artist http://www.tsunamiprojects.com/introductie/sound/skalbeaggar/skalbeaggar.html http://skalbeaggar.web-log.nl/ MORE DETAILS AS THEY DEVELOP!!!! From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 9 15:02:05 2006 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:02:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: DarXtar (was: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac)) Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:16:53 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 06:07:18PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: >> ObCD: Darxtar - We Came Too Late > I've been wondering about that ever since I saw it, somewhat to >my surprise, in stonerrock.com's mail-order catalogue. How does it >compare to _Tombola_? Because that's an album I'm still trying to get my >head around... Interested in your impressions, yours, > Jon I've only listened to WCTL once, but first impression is that it's much easier to get your head around this one than it was to do so with Tombola, which means that maybe it's less adventurous overall, but it has more of what I want from a spacerock band. Actually WCTL sounds like it should have come out BEFORE Tombola, because to my ears it sounds very much like an intermediate step or a cross between the purer spacerock of SJU and the more progressive song-based stuff on Tombola. I suspect that with further listening I am going to prefer this one to Tombola by a significant margin. YMMV of course. Stephan From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Mar 9 20:58:47 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:58:47 -0800 Subject: OFF: DarXtar (was: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stephan Forstner wrote: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:16:53 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >>Darxtar - We Came Too Late >> I've been wondering about that ever since I saw it, somewhat to >>my surprise, in stonerrock.com's mail-order catalogue. >I've only listened to WCTL once, but first impression is that it's much >easier to get your head around this one than it was to do so with Tombola, >which means that maybe it's less adventurous overall, but it has more of >what I want from a spacerock band. Actually WCTL sounds like it should >have come out BEFORE Tombola, because to my ears it sounds very >much like an intermediate step or a cross between the purer spacerock of >SJU and the more progressive song-based stuff on Tombola. What he said. Yeah, it's good. Nice mix of drifty cosmic tunes and a few blangariffic numbers. It sounds like a compilation of their entire career. Hope they play live somewhere again. Grakkl --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 10 10:21:52 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:21:52 GMT Subject: OFF: so very off... Message-ID: But I had to share this. Sometimes people are just so damn amazing it's unreal. The Difference Engine with a difference: http://acarol.woz.org/ FoFP From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Fri Mar 10 20:37:20 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: on your feet or on your knees church location? Message-ID: Hello Not to beat a dead horse but where is the church on the cover of on your feet or on your knees located? much obliged, Adam From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Mar 10 22:44:35 2006 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:44:35 -0500 Subject: on your feet or on your knees church location? In-Reply-To: <002001c644ac$58968140$0100a8c0@savje> Message-ID: Don't know really. Sandy Pearlman found it. Maybe you should ask him. Al On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Adam Savje wrote: > Hello > > Not to beat a dead horse but where is the church on the cover of > on your feet or on your knees located? > > much obliged, > > Adam From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 10 23:02:44 2006 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:02:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: so very off... In-Reply-To: <200603101521.k2AFLq2l028210@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 15:21 +0000, M Holmes wrote: > But I had to share this. Sometimes people are just so damn amazing it's > unreal. > > The Difference Engine with a difference: > > http://acarol.woz.org/ What an excellent project! Thanks for posting the link. I loved the Meccano Difference Engines linked from the page, too. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Sat Mar 11 06:14:54 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:14:54 -0500 Subject: Eastern Haze Message-ID: I see that Eastern haze tickets won't be going on sale on March 15th after all. i recieved an email from them yesterday can't wait until they do now go on sale though. From berryj170 at MSN.COM Sat Mar 11 08:13:14 2006 From: berryj170 at MSN.COM (John Berry) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:13:14 -0500 Subject: on your feet or on your knees church location? Message-ID: The church is located in Vista NY , its on route 35. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sat Mar 11 08:26:26 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:26:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: DarXtar (was: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac)) Message-ID: www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk/monthlysupps52.htm You'll find my review of it here. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: OFF: DarXtar (was: Circle US tour (with Cul de Sac)) > On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 06:07:18PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > > > > > ObCD: Darxtar - We Came Too Late > > I've been wondering about that ever since I saw it, somewhat to > my surprise, in stonerrock.com's mail-order catalogue. How does it > compare to _Tombola_? Because that's an album I'm still trying to get my > head around... Interested in your impressions, yours, > Jon > > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Sat Mar 11 22:28:32 2006 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:28:32 -0500 Subject: on your feet or on your knees church location? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Not to beat a dead horse but where is the church on the cover of on your feet or on your knees located? Don't know exactly, but I believe it is somewhere in southern Connecticut. John From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 12 08:01:46 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:01:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com March 12, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #146), and Drool Trough Radio (show #45). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: I've not had anything new in the past couple weeks. BUT... in route to me now are the new Space Mirrors CD, the new Sula Bassana and Siena Root albums from Nasoni Records, Ego Prime (with Harvey Bainbridge), The Strange Flowers, and The Other Window (killer Space Rock from the UK!). Bookmark my online store. It's at http://aural-innovations.com/store. ARE THERE ANY NEW OR RECENT TITLES YOU WANT THAT I DON'T CARRY??? Email me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com and I'll see what I can do. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #146) Magic Moments at Twilight Time ? ?The Starship Psychotron? (from Creavolution) The Strange Flowers ? ?The Ghost in Your Room? (from Ortoflorovivaistica) Mooch ? ?Indigo Sky Trip? (unreleased remix from forthcoming Gaiaspace) Tom Byrne ? ?The Eye of the Cyclone (Extract, Live)? (from Stone Circles and Space Rock) Census of Hallucinations ? ?The Big Pink Jam Sandwich? (from Apparitions: The Definitive Collection 2006) The Electric Effect ? ?Astronaut? (from From The Centre of the Sun) Tribe of Cro ? ?Pin Tweaks? (from Sporadic Spiro-Gyra) Gi?bia ? ?Mathar? (from Beyond the Stars) Ship of Fools ? ?L=SD2? (from Close Your Eyes-Forget the World) Space Debris ? ?Capitalists Nightmare? (from Kraut Lok) Stephen Palmer ? ?Hurrah for Jerry? (special to Aural Innovations Radio) Drool Trough Radio (show #45) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Unknown Instructors ? ?An Evening in Hell? (from The Way Things Work) Magic Moments at Twilight Time ? ?Rock & Roll Lifestyle? (from Creavolution) Census of Hallucinations ? ?Lie Again? (from Apparitions: The Definitive Collection 2006) The Pope ? ?Grip of the Grape? (from The Jazzman Cometh EP) Marissa Nadler ? ?The Little Famous Song? (from The Saga of Mayflower Mary) Aja West & Cheeba ? ?Me and Snow? (from Flash & Snowball) Laurie Z ? ?Trouble in Paradise? (from Life Between the Lines) Furgastedman ? ?Condoleezza Rice? (from Furgastedman) Greg Segal ? ?Into Flux Passage? (from Rivers) Greg Segal ? ?Revolving Doors? (from A Play of Light and Shadow) The Electric Effect ? ?Jehoover? (from From The Centre of the Sun) Sonic Radiation ? ?Ready Set BOOM? (from The 121 Project) Eric Mantel ? ?Wings of Fire? (from The Unstruck Melody) Little Fyodor ? ?You Give Me Hard-On? / ?I Want an Ugly Girl? (from The Very Best of Little Fyodor?s Greatest Hits!) Adam Rich ? ?Perfect? (from You Can?t Escape Life) The Twin Atlas ? ?Wrap the Days? (from Sun Township) Jaugernaut ? ?Better Living Thru Anarchy? (from Contra-Mantra) John Beckham ? ?Rollercoaster? (from The Boy Has No Identity LP) Fear Of Flying ? ?Shoreline? (from More Attempts at Perfection) Players Club ? ?Song to Make You Hate Me? (from Coextinction) http://Aural-Innovations.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Mar 13 12:59:01 2006 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:59:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers on iTunes In-Reply-To: <20060307031314.GA5650@plutonia.com> Message-ID: I've been looking for HW covers on iTunes and found a few interesting versions. So far I've found a couple of versions of Urban Guerilla, and one each of MotU, Needle Gun and Silver Machine and of course the MM version of Brainstorm. The UG covers are certaintly different! Anyone know of any more? Mick ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Mar 13 13:57:51 2006 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:57:51 -0500 Subject: HW - Ian Abrahams Blog Message-ID: Ian has started a blog. http://ianabrahams.blogspot.com/ Well worth a read. Cheers From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Mar 13 18:16:35 2006 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers on iTunes Message-ID: Don't know if it's on itunes, but how about Monsterr Magnet's "The Right Stuff" or "Brainstorm"? tim 8>)... Michael Crook wrote: > > I've been looking for HW covers on iTunes and found a > few interesting versions. So far I've found a couple > of versions of Urban Guerilla, and one each of MotU, > Needle Gun and Silver Machine and of course the MM > version of Brainstorm. The UG covers are certaintly > different! > > Anyone know of any more? > > Mick > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! > http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From grodog at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 14 08:11:09 2006 From: grodog at GMAIL.COM (Allan Grohe) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:11:09 -0600 Subject: [OFF] Fwd: [Nomads] Multiverse site. In-Reply-To: <200603140350_MC3-1-BA8C-2429@compuserve.com> Message-ID: FYI Moorcock fans. Allan. ---- Allan Grohe Different Worlds Publications Editor and Project Manager http://www.diffworlds.com/ grodog at gmail.com http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/ http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/greyhawk.html for my Greyhawk site ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: J & M Davey Date: Mar 14, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: [Nomads] Multiverse site. To: "NOMADS (1)" Dear all, I received this over the weekend, from Berry Sizemore who runs Mike's www.multiverse.org website:- * * * "Dear friends, We've been hacked for the last time. I don't have time to recover from the damage done this time. I definitely don't have time to unhack and get rehacked. They've done something serious this time. My time will be better spent finding a different portal and setting that up. I can offer no estimate when the site will return. We haven't lost data, but the site is reporting a broken connection to the database. That means HOURS of analysis. Spread the word..." * * * He's asked me to pass it on to anyone who might be even an occasional visitor to the site. Best, John. _______________________________________________ Nomads mailing list Nomads at lists.kablamm.de http://aubec.carotec.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nomads From chrisow at SHAW.CA Tue Mar 14 13:56:57 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:56:57 -0500 Subject: covers Message-ID: Hey, Re: Covers, this is my first proper cover: http://www.maztekstil.com/wind.htm I should complete the next one in a few weeks; Assault and Battery/Golden Void. Hey if you gonna play music you have to play your top favourite song of all time eh? Have to admit it sounds pretty cool at 2KW per channel on the Canadian Praries! lol All best Chris From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 14 17:13:32 2006 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:13:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers on iTunes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stunning version of MoTU and Right Stuff by my bandcolleague Craig Gregory at: www.soundclick.com/craiggregory > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:59:01 +0000 >From: Michael Crook >Subject: Re: HW: Covers on iTunes > >I've been looking for HW covers on iTunes and found a >few interesting versions. So far I've found a couple >of versions of Urban Guerilla, and one each of MotU, >Needle Gun and Silver Machine and of course the MM >version of Brainstorm. The UG covers are certaintly >different! > >Anyone know of any more? > >Mick > > > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Mar 15 13:11:06 2006 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:11:06 +0000 Subject: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone heard any more about the tickets for Eastern Haze? I phoned TicketWeb today and they hadn't heard of it! Also, it looks like the Ozrics have pulled out as their name's no longer on the Mainstage Bands page - anyone heard anything? Horse Beverley Johnstone wrote: > I see that Eastern haze tickets won't be going on sale on March 15th after > all. i recieved an email from them yesterday can't wait until they do now > go on sale though. > From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 15 17:41:11 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:41:11 -0500 Subject: Eastern Haze Message-ID: i emailed the organiser on Sunday and have heard nothing yet, However the first email i recieved did say they would keep me informed as i have joined the mailing list.Ozric pulling out might just be the reason for the delay if others are pulling out to who knows its all rock n roll init, will message on here when i know anything new cheers Bev x From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 15 17:44:13 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:44:13 -0500 Subject: Eastern Haze Message-ID: sorry but i just checked and Ozrics name are still there. From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 15 18:04:24 2006 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (roger) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:04:24 +0000 Subject: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So have I and it's not try refreshing yer browser cheers Roger Beverley Johnstone wrote: > sorry but i just checked and Ozrics name are still there. > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Wed Mar 15 18:04:23 2006 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:04:23 +0000 Subject: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Beverly Have you refreshed the page - I still can't see them. I'm looking at the page liked from home/music/mainpage. They were on the left just below Hawkwind but in my browser (Firefox) they seem to have vanished. Curious! Still, it looks like Eat Static are on the club stage which is a good consolation if the Ozrics have pulled out. All we need now is Moksha to make up some seriously good sounds. Roll on July 21/22 :^) Horse Beverley Johnstone wrote: > sorry but i just checked and Ozrics name are still there. > From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 15 18:17:57 2006 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:17:57 +0100 Subject: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: <44189D77.9010105@darkstar.uk.net> Message-ID: Horse wrote: > Beverley Johnstone wrote: > >sorry but i just checked and Ozrics name are still there. > > > Hi Beverly > > Have you refreshed the page - I still can't see them. I'm looking at the > page liked from home/music/mainpage. They were on the left just below > Hawkwind but in my browser (Firefox) they seem to have vanished. http://www.ozrics.com/gigs.htm Gig List (updated 14 March 2006) APRIL 22ND - TILBURG ROADBURN FESTIVAL - HOLLAND APRIL 28TH - BARBY CLUB - TEL AVIV - ISRAEL JULY 22ND - SONICA FESTIVAL - BOLSENA LAKE - ITALY Looks like a scheduling conflict. -- Roy From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 15 22:52:15 2006 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:52:15 -0500 Subject: Eastern Haze In-Reply-To: <20060315231757.GA31711@deathtrap.bluecom.no> Message-ID: Not like they are keeping things up to date. They are playing in the US at NEARfest in June. So I'm not sure how reliable their web site is. Mike Roy G. Ovrebo wrote: > http://www.ozrics.com/gigs.htm > > Gig List (updated 14 March 2006) > APRIL 22ND - TILBURG ROADBURN FESTIVAL - HOLLAND > > APRIL 28TH - BARBY CLUB - TEL AVIV - ISRAEL > > JULY 22ND - SONICA FESTIVAL - BOLSENA LAKE - ITALY > > Looks like a scheduling conflict. > > From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 16 02:31:25 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:31:25 -0500 Subject: eastern haze Message-ID: Apologies on my behalf guys i refreshed this morning and sure enough there not there. Pitty about that but it's a shame that Mr Quimby's Beard are not on the list either they don't know what the're missing. x ;-) From management at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Mar 16 08:54:42 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:54:42 -0000 Subject: HW:Gig announcement Message-ID: -------------------------------------------- Gig Announcement! -------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will be playing UEA Norwich on 26th October. www.ueaticketbookings.co.uk Tel. 01603 508050 More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com See you there! From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Fri Mar 17 07:09:32 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:09:32 -0000 Subject: venues & tours Message-ID: i hope that if the hawks do a hawkfest this year then it is in the north of england. once again we have the announcement of the xmas party at astoria so it would be only fair that the fest should be in the north. used to live in london but now live in outback of doncaster and usually have to travel across the penines in winter weather to manchester where the venue is pathetic to see the band. what is the point of paying all the money for the backdrop and lights and then playing stupid little venues where you can't see it all. when they did come anywhere nearer they played the corporation in sheffield where the ceiling was so low you couldn't see anything. if they are only going to play a few gigs why not play big venues in central locations which they would surely fill, and let us se those amazing light shows. From deborah at VACANO.ORG Fri Mar 17 10:58:25 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:58:25 -0700 Subject: venues & tours In-Reply-To: <000e01c649bb$a6ae2360$b96f6b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: WAAAAAAA...Fuckin WAAAAAAAA...Boooooo Fucking Hoooooo... The last time they were in the states was in 95.... Your whole country would fit inside my state.... shezus stop whining!!!! I'm sorry I just couldn't help myself!! Peace, Deborah:o) http://www.myspace.com/myst11 john-paul wrote: > i hope that if the hawks do a hawkfest this year then it is in the north of > england. once again we have the announcement of the xmas party at astoria so it > would be only fair that the fest should be in the north. used to live in london > but now live in outback of doncaster and usually have to travel across the > penines in winter weather to manchester where the venue is pathetic to see the > band. what is the point of paying all the money for the backdrop and lights and > then playing stupid little venues where you can't see it all. when they did come > anywhere nearer they played the corporation in sheffield where the ceiling was > so low you couldn't see anything. if they are only going to play a few gigs why > not play big venues in central locations which they would surely fill, and let > us se those amazing light shows. > > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Mar 18 03:34:07 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Stoner/Psych/Heavy Rock show + Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com March 18, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOW + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded a new show from The Atomic Bongload (show #45). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: Just in this past week are new albums from Space Mirrors, Sula Bassana and the Nasoni Pop Art Experimental Band, Siena Root, The Strange Flowers, and the new Psytrax compilation (EXCLUSIVE tracks from Space Mirrors, Starfield, Spacehead, and much more). Plus I?ve restocked the Johnson Brothers ?Undine? LP, which sold out so quickly, as well as the CD reissue of the first Johnson Brothers album (KILLER power trio hard-psych rock). Get all the details at http://aural-innovations.com/store The Atomic Bongload (show #19) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we receive at Aural Innovations. Spaceship Landing ? ?Blacktaxi? (from Spaceship Landing) The Sword ? ?Lament for the Aurochs? (from Age of Winters) Space Mirrors ? ?Feed the Serpent? (from Memories of the Future) Johnson Noise ? ?Motormadness? (from Johnson Noise) Wolfmother ? ?Love Train? (from Dimensions) The Defilers ? ?Travel Bottle? (from Metal Mountains) Dozer ? ?Omega Glory? (from Through the Eyes of Heathens) Greatdayforup ? ?R.I.S.E.? (from Flores de Sangre) Five Horse Johnson ? ?Ten Cent Dynamite? (From The Mystery Soul) Dixie Witch ? ?Ballinger Cross? (from Smoke & Mirrors) Throttlerod ? ?Indian Head? (from Nail) Siena Root ? ?Nightstalker? (from Kaleidoscope) http://Aural-Innovations.com From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Sat Mar 18 14:15:26 2006 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Mike Godwin) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:15:26 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2006 to 17 Mar 2006 (#2006-68) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys and gals I know this is off-topic, but if you get the chance to see: THE EDGAR BROUGHTON BAND tomorrow at the 100 Club, don't miss it! They were great in Frome yesterday! - Mike Godwin Quoting BOC-L automatic digest system : > There is 1 message totalling 23 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. HW:Gig announcement > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:54:42 -0000 > From: Hawkwind > Subject: HW:Gig announcement > > -------------------------------------------- > Gig Announcement! > -------------------------------------------- > > Hello Folks! > > Hawkwind will be playing UEA Norwich on 26th October. > > www.ueaticketbookings.co.uk Tel. 01603 508050 > =20 > More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com=20 > > See you there! > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2006 to 17 Mar 2006 (#2006-68) > *********************************************************** > From management at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Mar 21 11:18:54 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:18:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Gig announcement Message-ID: ----------------------------------------------------------------- GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will headline the Festival de L'alambic Electrique at Villiers Sur Yonne in France on Sat August 5th. The festival runs from Friday to Sunday. More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Mar 21 11:31:54 2006 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:31:54 +0100 Subject: Gig announcement In-Reply-To: <02ed01c64d03$26d39940$0201a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: Hi Great news !! But: What about a gig in Germany ??? Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Hawkwind Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:19 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Gig announcement ----------------------------------------------------------------- GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will headline the Festival de L'alambic Electrique at Villiers Sur Yonne in France on Sat August 5th. The festival runs from Friday to Sunday. More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com From deborah at VACANO.ORG Tue Mar 21 11:37:11 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:37:11 -0700 Subject: Gig announcement In-Reply-To: <1FLjlj-0dSW800@fwd30.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Or the US? :o) Deborah http://www.myspace.com/myst11 bernhard.pospiech wrote: > Hi > > Great news !! > > But: What about a gig in Germany ??? > > > > > Bernhard > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Hawkwind > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:19 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Gig announcement > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello Folks! > > Hawkwind will headline the Festival de L'alambic Electrique at Villiers Sur > Yonne in France on Sat August 5th. The festival runs from Friday to Sunday. > > More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com > > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 11:49:21 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:49:21 +0000 Subject: Gig announcement In-Reply-To: <44202BB7.6020600@vacano.org> Message-ID: Fuck my Luck...... Coming back from France that day. fuck fuck fuck > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Hello Folks! > > > > Hawkwind will headline the Festival de L'alambic Electrique at > Villiers Sur > > Yonne in France on Sat August 5th. The festival runs from Friday to > Sunday. > > > > More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com > > > > > From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Tue Mar 21 11:57:37 2006 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:57:37 -0000 Subject: Gig announcement Message-ID: or Staffordshire! :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Vacano" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Gig announcement > Or the US? :o) > > Deborah > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > bernhard.pospiech wrote: >> Hi >> >> Great news !! >> >> But: What about a gig in Germany ??? >> >> >> >> >> Bernhard >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> Behalf Of Hawkwind >> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:19 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: HW: Gig announcement >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello Folks! >> >> Hawkwind will headline the Festival de L'alambic Electrique at Villiers >> Sur >> Yonne in France on Sat August 5th. The festival runs from Friday to >> Sunday. >> >> More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com >> > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 22 17:24:41 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:24:41 -0800 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is it? Not bad, but I was kinda hoping it would be the announcement of Hawkfest 2006 at the real ale place (Donnington Speedway). Does this DVD include the stuff from Bergen? Does that mean it wasn't good enough overall to release on its own as a complete concert? (Of course, Out of the Shadows was hardly brilliant the whole way through, so...) Or is this stuff older than that? Grakkl New Release: Next month sees the release of Hawkwind?s new mini album "Take Me to Your Future". The album is in the new dual format disc, with DVD on one side and (cd playable) music on the other. The CD tracks are all new releases, and the DVD content is pooled from an extensive back-catalogue of shows that have never been released before. Full tracklisting and more details here asap ! --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Mar 24 09:29:53 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:29:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Subcurrent Message-ID: This maybe of some interest to our more northerly brethren... SUBCURRENT UK Subtitled 'Experimental Music At The Apex Of Flesh And Metal', this annual noise/psych blowout, curated by David Keenan of Volcanic Tongue and The Wire, this year features The Skaters, Axolotl, Inca Ore, Astral Social Club, Burning Star Core, Prurient, Jessica Rylan, Smegma, Joe McPhee & Chris Corsano, Mouthus, Hive Mind and Aaron Dilloway. In a co-presentation with The Wire, the festival will also host a screening of Kasper Collin's documentary My Name Is Albert Alyer (see above) which will be followed by an on-stage discussion with the director. Glasgow CCA, 20-22 April, 0141 352 4900. *go to http://www.cca-glasgow.com This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you are not one of the intended recipients, or this email is received in error, please immediately either notify the sender or contact OAG Worldwide Limited on +44 (0) 1582 600111 quoting the name of the sender and the email address to which it has been sent and then delete it and any attachment(s). 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From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Mar 26 04:59:08 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:59:08 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK/Mike Burro on Dutch Radio Broadcast 3/26/06 TONIGHT!!! Message-ID: Tonight 8 PM Dutch time, 2 PM EST...Peace, Mike >From: "Burro Mike" >Reply-To: >To: >CC: >Subject: [Hawkwind] SLOTERDIJK/Mike Burro on Dutch Radio Broadcast 3/26/06 >( additional webaddress!! >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:30:28 -0000 > > >Greetings friends, SLOTERDIJK/Mike Burro will perform a live session on >Dutch radio program 'Psychedelicatessan", ( hosted by Feddo Renier) on >3/26. >Check out the link to the station at: http://freeteam.nl/patapoe/ >for exact schedule and playlists >http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/psychedelicatessen/ >More information to follow in the coming days! > > > > > Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans >-- created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! >Yahoo! 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Cheers 8) From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 26 11:58:48 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:58:48 +0000 Subject: Hawkfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes..its a shame they havent announced a hawkfest..i strongly suspect NOW there WONT be one AGAIN..last year it looked hopeful, too, for a while,..And the reality is,the last one was 2003...and my cynical perception tells me there probably wont be one..maybe not ever again..and we have to accept that..maybe the Eastern Haze festival is their idea of a cheap way of staging a "kind of hawk-fest"??? Personally, im really looking forward to the mini-album..ive no idea whats on the dvd..and i guess the music is leftovers from the " TMTYL" cd(silver machine(new studio version with Lemmy),reality of poverty,string theory, long-time friend, cyberspace etc etc). We had to wait a long long 8 years after the god-awful "distant horizons" cd,(which IMHO was probably their worst album,or maybe on a par with i.i.t.b.o.t.f.t.b.d.) for the TMTYL studio release..so..im MORE THAN HAPPY!! pete "if i seem a little strange, well..thats because i am" >From: Beverley Johnstone >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkfest >Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:41:03 -0500 > >This message is going out to Hawkwind crew Can you please put us out of our >misery and just let us know whether or not you are having a festival this >year as i am beginning to lose faith. I am happy that the "major >announcement" was made but i don't think thats really what the fans were >expecting. Cheers 8) _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? 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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 27 06:50:36 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:50:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <20060322222441.74828.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:24:41PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > This is it? > > Not bad, but I was kinda hoping it would be the announcement of > Hawkfest 2006 at the real ale place (Donnington Speedway). Does this > DVD include the stuff from Bergen? Does that mean it wasn't good > enough overall to release on its own as a complete concert? (Of > course, Out of the Shadows was hardly brilliant the whole way through, > so...) Or is this stuff older than that? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather have new material I can play again and again than a festival I couldn't go to more than once and probably wouldn't that. Are we really by and large saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 27 06:57:41 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:57:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <20060327115036.GG6103@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 27/03/2006 12:50, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Are we really by and large > saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? Hopefully not, because that would be really dumb :) Heck, large segments of UK fanbase can't make a Hawkfest -- let alone overseas fans. But anyone can buy an album. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Mar 27 07:05:33 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:05:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <4427D335.5000406@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Totally agree, Music over festival appearance. can't wait for the mini LP & Video footage ( really hoping that the video footage has some unseen vintage footage). just need a date for when it comes out Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 27/03/2006, 12:57: > On 27/03/2006 12:50, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > Are we really by and large > > saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? > > Hopefully not, because that would be really dumb :) Heck, large segments > of UK fanbase can't make a Hawkfest -- let alone overseas fans. But > anyone can buy an album. > > Cheers, > Carl From zim594j at TNINET.SE Mon Mar 27 07:08:39 2006 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:08:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <4427D50D.1020501@aol.com> Message-ID: What about a combination; new music and festival ;) 2006-03-27 kl. 14.05 skrev Iain Ferguson: > Totally agree, > > Music over festival appearance. > > can't wait for the mini LP & Video footage ( really hoping that the > video footage has some unseen vintage footage). > > just need a date for when it comes out > > > > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 27/03/2006, 12:57: > >> On 27/03/2006 12:50, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >>> Are we really by and large >>> saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? >> >> Hopefully not, because that would be really dumb :) Heck, large >> segments >> of UK fanbase can't make a Hawkfest -- let alone overseas fans. But >> anyone can buy an album. >> >> Cheers, >> Carl > > _______ To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects for the future.- Neil Peart From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 27 07:18:47 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:18:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I SERIOUSLY doubt theyre doing a hawk-festival this year..and may never again..im sure the Eastern Haze is a cheapie way of doing a festie without all the huge costs and other red tape involved. Give me a new studio cd any day, even if it IS TMTYL leftovers..I dont want to wait another 8 years!( ..and as long as its not as unlistenable as Distant horizons..!) Pete "no alarms and no surprises" ~ >From: Kenneth Magnusson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Big announcement??? >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:08:39 +0200 > >What about a combination; new music and festival ;) >2006-03-27 kl. 14.05 skrev Iain Ferguson: > >>Totally agree, >> >>Music over festival appearance. >> >>can't wait for the mini LP & Video footage ( really hoping that the >>video footage has some unseen vintage footage). >> >>just need a date for when it comes out >> >> >> >>Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 27/03/2006, 12:57: >> >>>On 27/03/2006 12:50, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >>>>Are we really by and large >>>>saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? >>> >>>Hopefully not, because that would be really dumb :) Heck, large segments >>>of UK fanbase can't make a Hawkfest -- let alone overseas fans. But >>>anyone can buy an album. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Carl >> >> > >_______ >To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes >a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects >for the future.- Neil Peart _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 27 09:27:20 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:27:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27/03/2006 13:18, pete howe wrote: > ( ..and as long as its not as unlistenable as Distant horizons..!) Eh, well, while _DH_ is not exactly a great album, and I'm more than happy to criticize HW when I think they're sucking :) I thought there a few interesting moments on _DH_ (mostly courtesy of Mr. Tree, actually, of whom I am not otherwise _that_ big a fan). Admittedly, the album didn't seem that finished and there was a lot of forgettable stuff, but I wouldn't necessarily rate it worse than IITBOTFTBD .... If one took all the best HW compositions since 1990 and put them together on an album produced with some serious muscle (I dunno, call Rick Rubin or Chris Goss or someone :) then that would be a pretty good album, IMO! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Mar 27 09:37:27 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:37:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <4427F648.6040600@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Ohhhh everyone seems to bash one of my favourite Albums... I love ITBOTFTOB, it was a great departure and fantastic Live when the band were a 3 piece... I shouldn't like it, but i do and have loved all the dance, Synth stuff the band have subsequently done, and firmly hope that there is an Awesome Album yet to come out of this material by the band. I didn't mind distant horizons , but agree, it seemed half baked, and needed another cooking before it came out.... iain Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 27/03/2006, 15:27: > didn't seem that finished and there was a lot of forgettable stuff, but > I wouldn't necessarily rate it worse than IITBOTFTBD .... > > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon Mar 27 09:52:51 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:52:51 +0100 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of the future to be dangerous" love to everyone j.p From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 27 10:22:52 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:22:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <4427F8A7.7040501@aol.com> Message-ID: On 27/03/2006 15:37, Iain Ferguson wrote: > Ohhhh everyone seems to bash one of my favourite Albums... ;) > I love ITBOTFTOB, it was a great departure and fantastic Live when the > band were a 3 piece... > I shouldn't like it, but i do and have loved all the dance, Synth stuff > the band have subsequently done, and firmly hope that there is an > Awesome Album yet to come out of this material by the band. Ah, well, I'm freely identify myself as belonging to the camp that doesn't see dance/techno/electronica as a strong point of Hawkwind's current (and semi-current ;) lineups. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of electronica stuff anyway, but I find HW more convincing when they're putting down the blanga. Or, to put it another way, I think there are artists who do electronica better than HW, but I anyone has been able to consistently out-blanga them. > I didn't mind distant horizons , but agree, it seemed half baked, and > needed another cooking before it came out.... Though the good Mr. Tree gave every indication of being fully baked and at least as cooked as anyone needs to be ;) Cheers, Carl ps - I should really prefix _XC_ to my statement about "HW albums since 1990 which have at least a couple of good tracks on them". I mean, "War I Survived" may be almost "Hawkwind-by-numbers", but it still gets my head noddin' every time :) As it should, really! -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Mar 27 10:43:45 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:43:45 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <001001c651ae$1f2733a0$e6636b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Pardon, does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to the rule here. Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love martin griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than D. Thompson Junior... I'll duck now ahead of the lone Choose your masks fan throwing a dart at me. iain (who really only hates Choose your masks and the godam aweful bad bootleg quality live releases). john-paul wrote on 27/03/2006, 15:52: > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & > IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may > not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the > best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. > it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may > not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such > an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are > many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine > album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and > troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of > the future to be dangerous" > > love to everyone j.p From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 27 10:52:36 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:52:36 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44280831.7080105@aol.com> Message-ID: On 27/03/2006 16:43, Iain Ferguson wrote: > does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to the > rule here. > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > machine put through the tumble drier... While I can't fault the analysis ;) at least "Arrival in Utopia" is a good song! :) Add it to my list of "songs to be rescued and re-produced" ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 27 11:06:49 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:06:49 +0000 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <001001c651ae$1f2733a0$e6636b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Yes, i agree..but i think the starfarers website reviews of their studio albums gives a pretty good indication of the "general" view of each Hw album(some healthy praising and some healthy slagging to be noted there!)..It would be pretty shallow to sit there and say "everything they do is great because i love this band".-I cant see that Hw will ever play many songs from DH at gigs again,for example...(instr. version of love in space excepted).And of course people will like different albums for different reasons.. Ive been a fan since 1974, and yes,I admire the way theyre contantly evolving..and many tracks post 1990 HAVE been real gems, particularly on Electric Tepee, and TMTYL.I think Mr davey was also sorely missed on D.H., but having said that, " hippy" from the part studio cd "in your area" is IMO a very under-rated HW classic track.. I think most HW fans KNOW the classic albums..and theres nothing wrong with healthy debate..or commenting on the merits of albums, and their strengths and weaknesses...A lot of praising, AND a lot of "slagging"as you call it, or comments.. abounded when TMTYL came out...thats surely in the nature of fans of bands when a new release comes out and it does or doesnt live up to expectations. As for live albums ...."Bring me the head of Yuri Gagarin" is never far from my turntable ;-) >From: john-paul >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: album slagging >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:52:51 +0100 > >for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & >IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may not >like the album in question but someone else may think it's the best thing >ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. it is the fact >that every HW album is different and some old fans may not like it but new >fans may become involved, that make the hawks such an incredible band. IMHO >DH is not my favourite album but there are many parts of it that are >steering towards TMTYL which is a fine album. HW are ever evolving and as >such there will be peaks and troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember >" it is the business of the future to be dangerous" > >love to everyone j.p _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Mar 27 11:22:36 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:22:36 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44280A44.3000501@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I'll give you that, and there are a couple of good tunes on it, its just the recording I cannot stand. i did rather enjoy the tour & bought the program & Tee-Shirt. I think the backdrop set was a bank of TV screens wasn't it ? I was at the bristol show, and have heard the recording made from that , and is rather good. regards iain Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 27/03/2006, 16:52: > On 27/03/2006 16:43, Iain Ferguson wrote: > > does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to > the > > rule here. > > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > > machine put through the tumble drier... > > While I can't fault the analysis ;) at least "Arrival in Utopia" is a > good song! :) Add it to my list of "songs to be rescued and > re-produced" ;) > > Cheers, > Carl From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Mar 27 11:28:28 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:28:28 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44280831.7080105@aol.com> Message-ID: Quoting Iain Ferguson : > Pardon, > > does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to the > rule here. > > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love martin > griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than D. > Thompson Junior... > > I'll duck now ahead of the lone Choose your masks fan throwing a dart at me. I like Choose Your Masques quite a bit (though I admit I didn't like it at all at first). Then again, I'm that weirdo who thinks Club Ninja isn't all that bad either. I haven't listend to Distant Horizons since it first came out, but I know I thought it was awful then. I guess I'll give it another listen. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Mar 27 12:15:04 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:15:04 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44280831.7080105@aol.com> Message-ID: Don't think so, no exception. _Choose Your Masques_ is a fine album (I guess I'm the "one fan"), and your opinion (or "slag") is not appreciated. While I'm being heretical, I think _It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous_ may be the most artistic and interesting album they've done since _Warrior on the Edge of Time_, and I think the new one is a little weak. Guido P.S. Does "tosh" have anything to do with "whinging"? :-) Iain Ferguson wrote: > Pardon, > > does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to the > rule here. > > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love martin > griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than D. > Thompson Junior... > > I'll duck now ahead of the lone Choose your masks fan throwing a dart at me. > > iain (who really only hates Choose your masks and the godam aweful bad > bootleg quality live releases). > > > > john-paul wrote on 27/03/2006, 15:52: > > > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & > > IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may > > not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the > > best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. > > it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may > > not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such > > an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are > > many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine > > album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and > > troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of > > the future to be dangerous" > > > > love to everyone j.p > From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Mon Mar 27 12:17:23 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:17:23 +0100 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: well i must me a strange hawkfan as choose your masks is one of my faves. bainbridges synth work and huws giutaring are superb on the album. this was the first tour i saw them on at sheffield city hall, with the tellies, and i wonder if that has anything to do with it. IMO i think theres a certain mechanical eeriness about the album which is'nt on another one. having been listening to early caberet voltaire and kraftwerk before then its probably not surprising i like it. jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: Re: album slagging > Pardon, > > does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to the > rule here. > > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love martin > griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than D. > Thompson Junior... > > I'll duck now ahead of the lone Choose your masks fan throwing a dart at me. > > iain (who really only hates Choose your masks and the godam aweful bad > bootleg quality live releases). > > > > john-paul wrote on 27/03/2006, 15:52: > > > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & > > IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may > > not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the > > best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. > > it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may > > not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such > > an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are > > many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine > > album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and > > troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of > > the future to be dangerous" > > > > love to everyone j.p > From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Mon Mar 27 12:28:49 2006 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (Roger) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:28:49 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <001001c651ae$1f2733a0$e6636b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: Oi!, if I want to slag off an album I will Don't tell me what I can or can't do on a public forum, you troll! :-) er, I don't think I have slagged off an album.............But I demand the right to do so! um, I think TMTYL could have been a bit , er um you know r.o.g.e.r john-paul wrote: > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of the future to be dangerous" > > love to everyone j.p > > From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Mar 27 12:59:08 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:59:08 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44281D98.6080202@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: I'm with you Guido... Those albums are mighty fine and very deep and very spiritual~ Deborah :-) http://www.myspace.com/myst11 Guido Vacano wrote: > Don't think so, no exception. _Choose Your Masques_ is a fine album (I > guess I'm the "one fan"), and your opinion (or "slag") is not > appreciated. While I'm being heretical, I think _It is the Business of > the Future to be Dangerous_ may be the most artistic and interesting > album they've done since _Warrior on the Edge of Time_, and I think > the new one is a little weak. > > Guido > > P.S. Does "tosh" have anything to do with "whinging"? :-) > > Iain Ferguson wrote: >> Pardon, >> >> does this include Choose your Masks, surely there is an exception to >> the rule here. >> >> Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong >> with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum >> machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love >> martin griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than >> D. Thompson Junior... >> >> I'll duck now ahead of the lone Choose your masks fan throwing a dart >> at me. >> >> iain (who really only hates Choose your masks and the godam aweful >> bad bootleg quality live releases). >> >> >> >> john-paul wrote on 27/03/2006, 15:52: >> >> > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & >> > IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you >> may >> > not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the >> > best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. >> > it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may >> > not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks >> such >> > an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are >> > many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine >> > album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and >> > troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of >> > the future to be dangerous" >> > >> > love to everyone j.p >> > From tim at KALYR.COM Mon Mar 27 13:10:32 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:10:32 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <20060327112828.0yvcg0488w80kgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: > Then again, I'm that weirdo who thinks Club Ninja isn't all that > bad either. I quite like about two thirds of that one. If you make an imaginary album by replacing the two cheesiest songs with the two BOC songs from "Bad Channels", you'd end up with a decent album. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Mar 27 13:22:33 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:22:33 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <442827EC.2070001@vacano.org> Message-ID: Quoting Deborah Vacano : > I'm with you Guido... > Those albums are mighty fine and very deep and very spiritual~ > > Deborah :-) Geez, why don't you two get married or something! Oh wait.. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Mar 27 13:28:32 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:28:32 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <20060327132233.8biomg4cksgkws4g@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: LOL.... very funny David... :-) Deborah http://www.myspace.com/myst11 David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Deborah Vacano : > > >> I'm with you Guido... >> Those albums are mighty fine and very deep and very spiritual~ >> >> Deborah :-) >> > > Geez, why don't you two get married or something! Oh wait.. > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces > tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of > delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive > nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD > > From deborah at VACANO.ORG Mon Mar 27 14:16:19 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:16:19 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44282ED0.1030002@vacano.org> Message-ID: Okay.. In my humble opinion... I really think most every Hawkwind album rocks.. Some more then other but .. Here is some advice from a "space momma".. I know, like you asked .. right? In the next night or two.. Sit your ass down on your couch or in a comfy chair.. turn your lights down.. Start a fire or open your door a little .. feel the wind on your face.. Light some incence.. don't be disturbed by the world outside.. It will still be there.. I promise.. Light up a J or have a nice glass of wine.. and put on that album you didn't think you really liked .. Turn up your stereo and sit back and close your eyes.. Remember? This is why we listen to Hawkwind.. Just had to say that.. now I can go about my day~ :-) Peace, Deborah http://www.myspace.com/myst11 Deborah Vacano wrote: > LOL.... very funny David... :-) > > Deborah > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > David Kuznick wrote: >> Quoting Deborah Vacano : >> >> >>> I'm with you Guido... >>> Those albums are mighty fine and very deep and very spiritual~ >>> >>> Deborah :-) >>> >> >> Geez, why don't you two get married or something! Oh wait.. >> >> -- >> David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >> "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the >> forces >> tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the >> clouds of >> delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive >> nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD >> >> > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 27 14:56:58 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:56:58 +0000 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44283A03.2010505@vacano.org> Message-ID: ..Or better still..you want spiritual journeys?? Try sigur ros, the cocteau twins or talk talks "spirit of eden" album, for a truly spiritual journey!When Hawkwind crank up their inimmitable wall of sound, im sent on a spiritual journey i never knew existed, for sure..but on tracks like " good evening" ..ermm..well..??!! ..but..ok..i'll try "zones" ..or..ermm" bring me the head of.. whoever released it".. pete ;-) >From: Deborah Vacano >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: album slagging >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:16:19 -0700 > >Okay.. In my humble opinion... >I really think most every Hawkwind album rocks.. >Some more then other but .. > >Here is some advice from a "space momma".. >I know, like you asked .. right? > >In the next night or two.. >Sit your ass down on your couch or in a comfy chair.. >turn your lights down.. >Start a fire or open your door a little .. >feel the wind on your face.. >Light some incence.. > >don't be disturbed by the world outside.. >It will still be there.. I promise.. > >Light up a J or have a nice glass of wine.. >and put on that album you didn't think you really liked .. > >Turn up your stereo and sit back and close your eyes.. > >Remember? >This is why we listen to Hawkwind.. > >Just had to say that.. >now I can go about my day~ :-) > >Peace, >Deborah >http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > > > > > > > > >Deborah Vacano wrote: >>LOL.... very funny David... :-) >> >>Deborah >>http://www.myspace.com/myst11 >> >>David Kuznick wrote: >>>Quoting Deborah Vacano : >>> >>> >>>>I'm with you Guido... >>>>Those albums are mighty fine and very deep and very spiritual~ >>>> >>>>Deborah :-) >>>> >>> >>>Geez, why don't you two get married or something! Oh wait.. >>> >>>-- >>>David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >>>"Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the >>>forces >>>tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of >>>delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive >>>nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Mar 27 16:33:40 2006 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:33:40 -0500 Subject: HW: UG on BBC4 Message-ID: Urban Guerilla was just played on BBC4 Tv "Under the spotlight" (prog about 1973) From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Mar 27 20:03:20 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:03:20 -0800 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <20060327115036.GG6103@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Jon says... >I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather have new >material I can play again and again than a festival I couldn't go to >more than once and probably wouldn't that. Are we really by and large >saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? Yours, I'm no more 'we' than you, but I'd rather have the Hawkfest. Now if it were a full-length *really* new album (there's no guarantee this previously unreleased music isn't just some studio noodlings and TMTYL outtakes, or maybe those Bob Calvert poems put to backing music), I'd reconsider. But if there were any really great recently-written rock songs on there, you'd think we'd have heard them live sometime in the last calendar year. And a weekend camping festival is not the same as just a 'gig' (especially with all the great ales at that place near Donnington). Festivals like Hawkfest, Burg Herzberg, Strange Daze, Klangbad, Sweden Rock, Bospop, Sziget, etc. etc. are the only 'societies' that make any bloody sense to me. The rest of the year we have to live in the absolute shithole that is the current state of this miserable planet. So I personally need to have a real reason to even venture out into the world and participate in something worthwhile, even if passively most of the time. We have the rest of our lives past the inevitable date when Hawkwind retires (remember how that was widely believed to be imminent about 8 years ago on this list???) to listen to studio music isolated in our homes. If there's a Hawkfest scheduled for a weekend within two weeks of Burg Herzberg, there's no way I'm going to let myself get stuck here in goddawful Ohio the whole bloody summer. I have to have something to look forward to....every day here seems like ten years of exile. Grakkl P.S. I have 'issues' I guess. Acute homesickness for one. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Mar 27 20:09:41 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:09:41 -0800 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <001001c651ae$1f2733a0$e6636b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: john-paul wrote: >for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & >IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may >not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the best >thing ever. DH was hit-and-miss (the demo version story/rumour seems valid to me) but 'It's the Biz...' sounds largely like filler. Probably my least favourite of the legitimate, cohesive (as it were) studio efforts by HW. Is that slagging? Or just not liking them? >you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. So there's a difference? >it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may not >like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such an >incredible band. OK, agreed. Every HW album ever made is absolutely brilliant. This post, however, is the most inane load of garbage I've ever read on boc-l in its history. :) /snark Grakkl --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Mar 27 20:46:37 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:46:37 -0500 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: Tim Hall wrote: > I quite like about two thirds of that one [Club Ninja]. If you make an imaginary > album by replacing the two cheesiest songs with the two BOC songs from > "Bad Channels", you'd end up with a decent album. Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least once. ;-) As of this moment, I'd probably have to go with Madness to the Method and When the War Comes. Beat 'Em Up is silly, but it's just too fun to skip. Brian obCD> Brain Surgeons NYC, "Denial of Death" From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Mon Mar 27 21:23:19 2006 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:23:19 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44283A03.2010505@vacano.org> Message-ID: Amen to that Sister. EVERY Hawkind album is better than any other so called Space Rock band, and most other bands too. I've tried to listen to them all, some of which I really like. But they can't hold a candle to hawkwind. Mike Deborah Vacano wrote: > Okay.. In my humble opinion... > I really think most every Hawkwind album rocks.. > Some more then other but .. > > Here is some advice from a "space momma".. > I know, like you asked .. right? > > In the next night or two.. > Sit your ass down on your couch or in a comfy chair.. > turn your lights down.. > Start a fire or open your door a little .. > feel the wind on your face.. > Light some incence.. > > don't be disturbed by the world outside.. > It will still be there.. I promise.. > > Light up a J or have a nice glass of wine.. > and put on that album you didn't think you really liked .. > > Turn up your stereo and sit back and close your eyes.. > > Remember? > This is why we listen to Hawkwind.. > > Just had to say that.. > now I can go about my day~ :-) > > Peace, > Deborah > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Tue Mar 28 02:30:10 2006 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:30:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <20060328010320.79811.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dunno about everyone else but I'd choose a Hawkwind gig over a CD any day of the week - and they can always record it so others can listen as well. And both of the festivals have been magical events - best events I've been to in years. Relaxing time with good folk with a common interest - i.e. the Hawks. Roll on the next one - whenever it is. Horse > Jon wrote... > > >I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather have new >> material I can play again and again than a festival I couldn't go to >> more than once and probably wouldn't that. Are we really by and large >> saying we'd rather have a gig than an album? Yours, > From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 28 03:17:50 2006 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:17:50 +0100 Subject: HW: UG on BBC4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes I caught that and thought "how ironic". The BBC banned Urban in 1973 because of the IRA bomb issue and use it now to HIGHLIGHT the bomb campaign. They even appeared to turn up the volume at the lyrics to emphasise it. Steve On 3/27/06, Rik Rx wrote: > > Urban Guerilla was just played on BBC4 Tv "Under the spotlight" > (prog about 1973) > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 28 04:20:26 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:20:26 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <200603280146.k2S1kbEk012132@mail28.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: On 28/03/2006 02:46, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: > Tim Hall wrote: >> I quite like about two thirds of that one [Club Ninja]. If you make an imaginary >> album by replacing the two cheesiest songs with the two BOC songs from >> "Bad Channels", you'd end up with a decent album. > > Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least once. ;-) > As of this moment, I'd probably have to go with Madness to the Method and When the War Comes. Beat 'Em Up is silly, but it's just too fun to skip. Yeah, "Beat 'Em Up" was always my inexplicable favorite there :) And I kinda liked the Bad Channels stuff too! I recall "The Horsemen Arrive" having silly lyrics but a great riff. Mind you, it's been probably 12 years since I've heard it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 28 04:38:24 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:38:24 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <4428114C.7080709@aol.com> Message-ID: On 27/03/2006 17:22, Iain Ferguson wrote: > I'll give you that, and there are a couple of good tunes on it, its just > the recording I cannot stand. Eh, I'm not overly thrilled with the output between Levitation and Black Sword. There were a few good songs in there, but I'm no fan to the production either and (at the time) there were a vast pile of random repackagings and weird releases of random stuff. Some of which had some good stuff too, but it was all a bit chaotic. I mean, I love the "Psy Power" from the "Do Not Panic" release, but that was recorded in '80 and released in '84 on a disc of mixed '80/'84 stuff. (OK, I know other people whose tastes and HW-tastes are often aligned with mine who nevertheless hate the Black Sword stuff, but I dig it :) > i did rather enjoy the tour & bought the program & Tee-Shirt. > I think the backdrop set was a bank of TV screens wasn't it ? I was at > the bristol show, and have heard the recording made from that , and is > rather good. I'll have to take your word on the tour and the back drop, having been in the States and, I think, 11 at the time! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Mar 28 05:37:52 2006 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:37:52 +0100 Subject: Album & festival bashing Message-ID: > From: Iain Ferguson > Subject: Re: HW: Big announcement??? > > Ohhhh everyone seems to bash one of my favourite Albums... > > I love ITBOTFTOB, it was a great departure and fantastic Live when the > band were a 3 piece... Iain, If you liked that - you'd also like IITBOTFTBD... . On the festival argument - STOP BLOODY ARGUING! Anyone reading this listserv would think that Hawkwind fans are a bunch of spoilt brats. Didn't your mum ever tell you that "'I want' doesn't get"?! On the album front - info required please. Can anyone advise if any of the latest releases (within the last 3 years or so) has a cracking version of Brainbox Pollution on it? regards Maxine who has just come out of hibernation. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 28 05:51:11 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:11 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <44290410.203@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Isn't part of the point of the list for fans to talk about what they like and what they don't like? And if I don't particularly like _Bring Me the Mask of Jerry Cornelius_, won't I be unlikely to give it another spin unless somebody says, "Hey, no, that's my favorite because of this thing, that thing, and the other thing, and you should check it out."? I mean, I might easily decide I still think it sucks, but at least it keeps us thinking :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Mar 28 05:51:58 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:58 +0100 Subject: Album & festival bashing In-Reply-To: <442991A9.20509.1873C4BB@localhost> Message-ID: oh no, is this a remix :-) i cannot believe i miss spelt the acronym. Doesn't put forward a firm belief that I love the Album does it.. PS agree , info on the CD release please... Maxine Wesley wrote on 28/03/2006, 11:37: > > From: Iain Ferguson > > Subject: Re: HW: Big announcement??? > > > > Ohhhh everyone seems to bash one of my favourite Albums... > > > > I love ITBOTFTOB, it was a great departure and fantastic Live when the > > band were a 3 piece... > > Iain, If you liked that - you'd also like IITBOTFTBD... . > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Mar 27 17:48:35 2006 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:48:35 -0500 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: Yes, and isn't that the whole point of belonging to a group like this?? If all we did was praise every album, then it wouldn't be much fun now, would it? tim 8>)... john-paul wrote: > > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & IITBOTFTBD, > i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may not like the album in > question but someone else may think it's the best thing ever. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Mar 28 07:52:23 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:52:23 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As per the case with Choose your Masks, Someone came to hawkwind with this their first LP. They love it. They came from an electronic music background and the Hawkwind LP definately had a bizarre sound , unlike any other they did. And it fitted with the sytle of music they came from. ( i never even for one second considered that this Album could have the cabert Voltaire, kraftwerk kind of sound on it). I wil lnow have to go back again and listen to it from a completely different set of ears. I have a strong opinion on this Album, but respect completely the other persons belief that this is a great LP, because of how it sounds to them. PS on a Kraftwerk note, anyone heard the Lilys LP that was done in homage to them, its stunning....absolutely stunning... iain Tim wrote on 27/03/2006, 23:48: > Yes, and isn't that the whole point of belonging to a group like this?? > If all we did was praise every album, then it wouldn't be much fun now, > would it? > tim 8>)... > > john-paul wrote: > > > > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & > IITBOTFTBD, > > i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may not like > the album in > > question but someone else may think it's the best thing ever. > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 28 08:16:15 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:16:15 -0600 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <20060327112828.0yvcg0488w80kgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, David Kuznick wrote: :Subject: Re: album slagging : :I like Choose Your Masques quite a bit (though I admit I didn't like it at all :at first). Then again, I'm that weirdo who thinks Club Ninja isn't all that :bad either. I haven't listend to Distant Horizons since it first came out, but :I know I thought it was awful then. I guess I'll give it another listen. Heh. I'm another weirdo who likes Club Ninja, so good to know I'm not the only one. (In my excuse: I'm a on again/off again BOC fan, so perhaps my tastes can be understood ;-) ). On a meta level note, though, how long has it been on list since we've seen the "this album sucks" thread? Just curious.... ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Infrastructure/Renewal Projects & Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Mar 28 08:17:32 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:17:32 -0600 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <4429151F.6060905@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: album slagging :Isn't part of the point of the list for fans to talk about what they like and :what they don't like? And if I don't particularly like _Bring Me the Mask of :Jerry Cornelius_, won't I be unlikely to give it another spin unless somebody :says, "Hey, no, that's my favorite because of this thing, that thing, and the :other thing, and you should check it out."? I mean, I might easily decide I :still think it sucks, but at least it keeps us thinking :) Just for the record, I'd love to see someone issue a parody album with the title of _Bring Me the Mask of Jerry Cornelius_. As it is, the title only had me giggling for some few minutes. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Infrastructure/Renewal Projects & Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tim at KALYR.COM Tue Mar 28 12:51:30 2006 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:51:30 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <200603280146.k2S1kbEk012132@mail28.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: > Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked > around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least > once. ;-) What, even Perfect Water (which they still do live)? > As of this moment, I'd probably have to go with Madness to the Method > and When the War Comes. Beat 'Em Up is silly, but it's just too fun > to skip. Beat 'em up, and Make Rock Not War, with the other covers not far behind. Buck's original stuff is good. Don't have the album with me; is there any contribution from Eric on that one? I never get what people hate so much about Madness to the Method. From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Mar 28 13:21:24 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:21:24 -0500 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: >>> tim at KALYR.COM 3/28/2006 12:51 PM >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: > Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked > around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least > once. ;-) Beat 'em up, and Make Rock Not War, with the other covers not far behind. Buck's original stuff is good. Yah, those are the two major stinkers. Penned by a guy I went to school with--albeit a grade ahead of me... Don't have the album with me; is there any contribution from Eric on that one? I think he sings on a couple of tunes? I never get what people hate so much about Madness to the Method. Always kinda liked the guitar sound on it. Lyrics are pretty awful... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Mar 28 14:58:19 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:58:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja (was Re: album slagging) Message-ID: I wrote: > > Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked > > around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least > > once. ;-) Tim replied: > What, even Perfect Water (which they still do live)? I like it too. In fact, it's my favorite track on Club Ninja. But knowing BOC-L, there has to be someone here who can't stand it. > Beat 'em up, and Make Rock Not War, with the other covers not far > behind. OK, I change one vote from When the War Comes to Make Rock Not War. That one's so bad I had completely forgotten about it. Buck's original stuff is good. Don't have the album with me; is > there any contribution from Eric on that one? Shadow Warrior. I'm not sure of any others. > I never get what people hate so much about Madness to the Method. The chorus annoys me to no end. Or rather the shouts in the chorus. As for the rest of it, it feels like Buck "going through the motions." Brian NP> "A Man Under the Influence," Alejandro Escovedo From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 28 16:24:36 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:24:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja (was Re: album slagging) In-Reply-To: <200603281958.k2SJwJWw020335@mail27.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Noooo! I must stand by "Beat 'Em Up"! Admittedly, I haven't heard the song in ages and the disc is on the other side of the Atlantic, so I can't exactly see if I still like it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Mar 28 19:04:07 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:04:07 +0100 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerned. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:23 AM Subject: Re: album slagging > Amen to that Sister. > > EVERY Hawkind album is better than any other so called Space Rock band, > and most other bands too. I've tried to listen to them all, some of > which I really like. But they can't hold a candle to hawkwind. > > Mike > > Deborah Vacano wrote: > > Okay.. In my humble opinion... > > I really think most every Hawkwind album rocks.. > > Some more then other but .. > > > > Here is some advice from a "space momma".. > > I know, like you asked .. right? > > > > In the next night or two.. > > Sit your ass down on your couch or in a comfy chair.. > > turn your lights down.. > > Start a fire or open your door a little .. > > feel the wind on your face.. > > Light some incence.. > > > > don't be disturbed by the world outside.. > > It will still be there.. I promise.. > > > > Light up a J or have a nice glass of wine.. > > and put on that album you didn't think you really liked .. > > > > Turn up your stereo and sit back and close your eyes.. > > > > Remember? > > This is why we listen to Hawkwind.. > > > > Just had to say that.. > > now I can go about my day~ :-) > > > > Peace, > > Deborah > > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > From management at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Mar 28 19:13:11 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:13:11 +0100 Subject: HW: gig announcement Message-ID: ----------------------------------- GIG ANNOUNCEMENT! ----------------------------------- Hello Folks! Hawkwind will play Wolverhampton Wulfrun Hall 29th Oct. 2006 www.wolvescivic.co.uk More details from www.hawkwind.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Mar 28 20:17:55 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:17:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja (was Re: album slagging) Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Noooo! I must stand by "Beat 'Em Up"! Admittedly, I haven't heard > the song in ages and the disc is on the other side of the Atlantic, > so I can't exactly see if I still like it :) It sounds like BOC covering KISS. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." -Jerry Seinfeld It may be a big, dumb arena rock anthem, but that makes it more memorable (in a good way) than the majority of Club Ninja. Rock on, Eric! Rock on, Garth...I mean, Buck. Brian From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Mar 28 20:20:14 2006 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:20:14 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <00b501c652c4$4d888ca0$3a087ad5@andy> Message-ID: Cyberkrel wrote: > EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerne I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air play here). From deborah at VACANO.ORG Tue Mar 28 20:59:37 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:59:37 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <4429E0CE.8090907@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Well fine... Listen to these bands and close your eyes with a nice glass of wine.. and enjoy yourself then.. I was just trying to help mellow some people out and suggest that maybe they should give those albums they were slagging another turn.. they were slaggin' on some of the best ones.. OUCH.. Thank you Mike .. Rock On space Brother!! Now, I need to get out my pen and paper and jot some of these names down.. there are so many good space rock bands these days .. Peace, Deborah http://www.myspace.com/myst11 Jerry G wrote: > Cyberkrel wrote: >> EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely >> can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to >> choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you >> can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that >> could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space >> Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to >> name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than >> Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it >> follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these >> in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue >> from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerne > > I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, > Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air > play here). > From starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG Tue Mar 28 22:20:11 2006 From: starrywisdom at EMULSIONALCHEMY.ORG (Adam Savje) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: BOC current set list? Message-ID: Hey does anyone know what the approximate setlist of BOC is? I'm seeing them in plymouth, MA in April. thanks adam From mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM Tue Mar 28 23:20:16 2006 From: mike.montfort at GMAIL.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:20:16 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <00b501c652c4$4d888ca0$3a087ad5@andy> Message-ID: I refer to studio albums here, I should have been specific. I have heard all of those groups as well, and while they are good, and some very good, I still don't think they can touch the Hawkwind magic. It's all personal opinion anyway. Thanks for allowing me to clarify, I was not talking about dodgy live albums like the one you speak of. Mike Cyberkrel wrote: > EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely can't > say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose an > example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? > If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could hold a > candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, > The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm not > saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these > people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot more > pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet > another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on where > the Hawks are concerned. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Montfort > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:23 AM > Subject: Re: album slagging > > > >> Amen to that Sister. >> >> EVERY Hawkind album is better than any other so called Space Rock band, >> and most other bands too. I've tried to listen to them all, some of >> which I really like. But they can't hold a candle to hawkwind. >> >> Mike From deborah at VACANO.ORG Tue Mar 28 23:36:53 2006 From: deborah at VACANO.ORG (Deborah Vacano) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:36:53 -0700 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <442A0B00.5000705@mikemontfort.com> Message-ID: TOTALLY~ The live ones are not what I was talking about either.. Or the comp. albums!! We have most Hawkwind.. but ..we lost count with the live or comp albums.. (those are null and void as far as what I was personally referring too..) I'm sorry I needed to clarify that too~ Deborah http://www.myspace.com/myst11 Mike Montfort wrote: > I refer to studio albums here, I should have been specific. > > I have heard all of those groups as well, and while they are good, and > some very good, I still don't think they can touch the Hawkwind magic. > > It's all personal opinion anyway. > > Thanks for allowing me to clarify, I was not talking about dodgy live > albums like the one you speak of. > > Mike > > Cyberkrel wrote: >> EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely >> can't >> say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose an >> example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? >> If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could >> hold a >> candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, >> Litmus, >> The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm >> not >> saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these >> people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot >> more >> pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet >> another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on >> where >> the Hawks are concerned. >> Andy G. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike Montfort >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:23 AM >> Subject: Re: album slagging >> >> >> >>> Amen to that Sister. >>> >>> EVERY Hawkind album is better than any other so called Space Rock band, >>> and most other bands too. I've tried to listen to them all, some of >>> which I really like. But they can't hold a candle to hawkwind. >>> >>> Mike > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 29 04:46:38 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:46:38 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <442A0EE5.1050105@vacano.org> Message-ID: On 29/03/2006 05:36, Deborah Vacano wrote: > We have most Hawkwind.. but ..we lost count with the live or comp albums.. > (those are null and void as far as what I was personally referring too..) There are a lot of dodgy live releases -- dodgier on sound quality than playing, perhaps, on many. But I would count live or partially-live, albums among my faves: _Space Ritual_! And HotMG and Palace Springs each have mix of live and studio. _Live Chronicles_! (Though I would happily replace Palace Spring's "Acid Test" with a decent live version of "Out of the Shadows", maybe from the Bedrock TV performance, and though I don't dislike "Back in the Box" as much as some, I could see my way clear to instead representing the Bridget-era with a good live version of "Images", which IMO, was the best thing on _Space Bandits_). But, yes, I know we're probably really talking about in the innumerable dodgy live compilations with titles like "Hawkwind Live Classics" that turn out to be a mix of Text of Festival and Acid Daze bits and bobs ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 29 05:44:00 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:44:00 +0000 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <4429E0CE.8090907@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: yes..in the 80s there wre 2 superb space rock bands that only got as far as E.P. releases, but were great live..a band called " chemical alice" and one called " tau ceti distortion" or something..but they were storming live..probably better than the Nik Turner infected 'Wind gigs of the time.. pete p.s.-Having said that, anyone remember Bob Calverts super surprise appearance at the london Xmas gig circa 1983??A real highlight for me in those bleaker " flickknife" label years.. >From: Jerry G >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: album slagging >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:20:14 -0500 > >Cyberkrel wrote: >>EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely >>can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose >>an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? If I >>had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could hold a >>candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, >>The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm not >>saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these >>people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot more >>pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet >>another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on where >>the Hawks are concerne > > I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, >Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air play >here). _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Mar 29 08:42:57 2006 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:42:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Richie Message-ID: I heard that Richie Castellano had a new album out so I went over to his site and ended up watching, listening and reading stuff there for about an hour. I have to say I'm psyched that this guy is in BOC! He's a top-notch player and seems to really dig what he's doing. It makes me hope BOC is doing another album, and that Richie is involved in the creative process. I think he could really bring a new spark to things. --Nick From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Mar 29 08:55:13 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:55:13 -0500 Subject: BOC current set list? In-Reply-To: <000301c652df$b239e0c0$0100a8c0@savje> Message-ID: Quoting Adam Savje : > Hey does anyone know what the approximate setlist of BOC is? I'm seeing them > in plymouth, MA in April. Thanks for the heads-up! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Mar 29 09:20:04 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:20:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Richie In-Reply-To: <200603291342.k2TDgvEN084123@mmm1503.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: Quoting nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM: > I heard that Richie Castellano had a new album out so I went over to his site > and ended up watching, listening and reading stuff there for about an hour. > I have to say I'm psyched that this guy is in BOC! He's a top-notch player > and seems to really dig what he's doing. I agree, he's really breathing new life into things. And I too think he's a fabulous player. I'm interested in hearing his album. > It makes me hope BOC is doing another album, and that Richie is involved in > the creative process. I think he could really bring a new spark to things. [OT] I remember when David Ragsdale joined Kansas and I kept hoping for the same thing, as he was a great violinist, and seemed to be giving them a kick in the ass. A few years went by and they put out a sub-par album with him in the band (Freak of Nature, including a song co-written by Kerry Livgren). They still SMOKE live though; I think they are one of the greatest live rock bands EVAR. What's weird is Steve Walsh put out a brilliant solo album a few years afterwards (Glossalalia, though I have a feeling a lot of that was Trent Gardner's influence; haven't heard Steve's latest though). Did he save his good material for himself? Likewise, even when they got Kerry Livgren to collaborate again on a whle album (Somewhere to Elsewhere), I thought the material was weak. Yet the stuff Livgren is doing now with Proto-Kaw is fantastic. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed Mar 29 12:04:05 2006 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:04:05 +0100 Subject: BOC: Richie In-Reply-To: <20060329092004.q2mocwws8kkowo8w@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: > > It makes me hope BOC is doing another album, and that Richie is involved > > in the creative process. I think he could really bring a new spark to > > things. > > [OT] I remember when David Ragsdale joined Kansas and I kept hoping for > the same thing, as he was a great violinist, and seemed to be giving them a > kick in the ass. A few years went by and they put out a sub-par album with > him in the band (Freak of Nature, including a song co-written by Kerry > Livgren). But to take another example, Steve Morse did tremendous good to Deep Purple, at least on the "Purpendicular" album which was absolutely amazing. I didn't like the follow-up to that all that much (although admittedly I might not have given it enough spins) and I haven't heard anything after that, so I'm not sure how they've kept up, but that one album... great stuff. As for "Freak of nature", I haven't heard it in quite some time, but I did like it when it came out. > Yet the stuff Livgren is > doing now with Proto-Kaw is fantastic. I need to get my hands on more Proto-Kaw stuff. I only have the first album, which has some really cool material on it. Alex (big Kansas fan). -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Mar 29 11:36:43 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:36:43 -0500 Subject: [OT] Deep Purple and Kansas (Was: BOC: Richie) In-Reply-To: <200603291904.06229.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: Quoting "Alex S. Garcia" : > > > It makes me hope BOC is doing another album, and that Richie is involved > > > in the creative process. I think he could really bring a new spark to > > > things. > > > > [OT] I remember when David Ragsdale joined Kansas and I kept hoping for > > the same thing, as he was a great violinist, and seemed to be giving them a > > kick in the ass. A few years went by and they put out a sub-par album with > > him in the band (Freak of Nature, including a song co-written by Kerry > > Livgren). > > But to take another example, Steve Morse did tremendous good to Deep Purple, > at least on the "Purpendicular" album which was absolutely amazing. I remember hearing some tracks and it didn't do anything for me. But I'd give it another shot. I love Steve Morse. I used to see him a lot when I lived in Florida. > As for "Freak of nature", I haven't heard it in quite some time, but I did > like it when it came out. I did too, but I think that was more because it was finally a new Kansas album. > > Yet the stuff Livgren is > > doing now with Proto-Kaw is fantastic. > > I need to get my hands on more Proto-Kaw stuff. I only have the first album, > which has some really cool material on it. Do you mean the album of pre-Kansas stuff on Cuneiform? I like that too, but the new stuff is VERY different. The old stuff was almost Canterbury-esque. The new stuff is more "standard" symphonic progressive, with some jazzy twists here and there. But I like it a lot. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds." Dark Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Mar 29 13:18:01 2006 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:18:01 -0500 Subject: [OT] Deep Purple and Kansas (Was: BOC: Richie) Message-ID: Every Morse-Purple album has at least a few fantastic cuts on it. . . but I have to say Purpendicular has probably been the best of them. The new one, Rapture of the Deep, is at least better than Bananas. I think Morse definitely has given Purple some new life. Especially after the last Blackmore album, The Battle RAges On, which was pretty horrendous. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: David Kuznick >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:36:43 > >Quoting "Alex S. Garcia" : > >> > > It makes me hope BOC is doing another album, >and that Richie is involved >> > > in the creative process. I think he could >really bring a new spark to >> > > things. >> > >> > [OT] I remember when David Ragsdale joined >Kansas and I kept hoping for >> > the same thing, as he was a great violinist, >and seemed to be giving them a >> > kick in the ass. A few years went by and they >put out a sub-par album with >> > him in the band (Freak of Nature, including a >song co-written by Kerry >> > Livgren). >> >> But to take another example, Steve Morse did >tremendous good to Deep Purple, >> at least on the "Purpendicular" album which was >absolutely amazing. > >I remember hearing some tracks and it didn't do >anything for me. But I'd give >it another shot. I love Steve Morse. I used to >see him a lot when I lived in >Florida. > >> As for "Freak of nature", I haven't heard it in >quite some time, but I did >> like it when it came out. > >I did too, but I think that was more because it was >finally a new Kansas album. > >> > Yet the stuff Livgren is >> > doing now with Proto-Kaw is fantastic. >> >> I need to get my hands on more Proto-Kaw stuff. I >only have the first album, >> which has some really cool material on it. > >Do you mean the album of pre-Kansas stuff on >Cuneiform? I like that too, but >the new stuff is VERY different. The old stuff was >almost Canterbury-esque. >The new stuff is more "standard" symphonic >progressive, with some jazzy twists >here and there. But I like it a lot. > >-- >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >"Dark Star crashes pouring its light into ashes. >Reason tatters, the forces >tear loose from the axis. Searchlight casting for >faults in the clouds of >delusion. Shall we go, you and I while we can? >Through the transitive >nightfall of diamonds." Dark >Star - GRATEFUL DEAD From asg at MVDBASE.COM Wed Mar 29 15:10:04 2006 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:10:04 +0100 Subject: [OT] Deep Purple and Kansas (Was: BOC: Richie) In-Reply-To: <20060329113643.fjnk0cgsoskc0cw8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: > > As for "Freak of nature", I haven't heard it in quite some time, but I > > did like it when it came out. > > I did too, but I think that was more because it was finally a new Kansas > album. Haha, yeah, that certainly was a factor for me too. > Do you mean the album of pre-Kansas stuff on Cuneiform? I like that too, > but the new stuff is VERY different. The old stuff was almost > Canterbury-esque. The new stuff is more "standard" symphonic progressive, > with some jazzy twists here and there. But I like it a lot. Yeah, the pre-Kansas stuff. I'll have to give the newer material a listen, sounds interesting anyway. Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 29 16:37:56 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:37:56 +0100 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: heyyyyyyy - what you said was just fine - no criticism intended - just pointing out that there's a whole world of great music out there beyond the Hawkwind universe - as I'm sure you'll find out in due course. Stay chilled and don't overdo the wine - or the Blair meister may just decide to ban it if he thinks it's unhealthy!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Vacano To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: Re: album slagging > Well fine... > Listen to these bands and close your eyes with a nice glass of wine.. > and enjoy yourself then.. > > I was just trying to help mellow some people out and suggest that maybe > they should give those albums they were slagging another turn.. > they were slaggin' on some of the best ones.. OUCH.. > > Thank you Mike .. Rock On space Brother!! > > > Now, I need to get out my pen and paper and jot some of these names down.. > there are so many good space rock bands these days .. > > Peace, > Deborah > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > > Jerry G wrote: > > Cyberkrel wrote: > >> EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely > >> can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to > >> choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you > >> can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that > >> could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space > >> Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to > >> name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than > >> Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it > >> follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these > >> in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue > >> from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerne > > > > I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, > > Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air > > play here). > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 29 16:39:10 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:39:10 +0100 Subject: album slagging Message-ID: Fair enough - thought as much but reckoned I'd chip in anyway. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:20 AM Subject: Re: album slagging > I refer to studio albums here, I should have been specific. > > I have heard all of those groups as well, and while they are good, and > some very good, I still don't think they can touch the Hawkwind magic. > > It's all personal opinion anyway. > > Thanks for allowing me to clarify, I was not talking about dodgy live > albums like the one you speak of. > > Mike > > Cyberkrel wrote: > > EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely can't > > say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to choose an > > example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you can? > > If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that could hold a > > candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, > > The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to name but a few. Now I'm not > > saying that any of these are btter than Hawkwind - and not all these > > people's albums are "as good" - but it follows that you'll get a lot more > > pleasure out of any one of these in terms of listening, rather than yet > > another compilation or reissue from the labels that still try it on where > > the Hawks are concerned. > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike Montfort > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:23 AM > > Subject: Re: album slagging > > > > > > > >> Amen to that Sister. > >> > >> EVERY Hawkind album is better than any other so called Space Rock band, > >> and most other bands too. I've tried to listen to them all, some of > >> which I really like. But they can't hold a candle to hawkwind. > >> > >> Mike From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Wed Mar 29 16:46:18 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:46:18 -0500 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <016601c65379$0c2f1c00$824e7ad5@andy> Message-ID: Apropos of nothing, Andy G, when's the new Psytrax going to be available?? tim 8>)... On 3/29/06, Cyberkrel wrote: > > heyyyyyyy - what you said was just fine - no criticism intended - just > pointing out that there's a whole world of great music out there beyond > the > Hawkwind universe - as I'm sure you'll find out in due course. > Stay chilled and don't overdo the wine - or the Blair meister may just > decide to ban it if he thinks it's unhealthy!! > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Deborah Vacano > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:59 AM > Subject: Re: album slagging > > > > Well fine... > > Listen to these bands and close your eyes with a nice glass of wine.. > > and enjoy yourself then.. > > > > I was just trying to help mellow some people out and suggest that maybe > > they should give those albums they were slagging another turn.. > > they were slaggin' on some of the best ones.. OUCH.. > > > > Thank you Mike .. Rock On space Brother!! > > > > > > Now, I need to get out my pen and paper and jot some of these names > down.. > > there are so many good space rock bands these days .. > > > > Peace, > > Deborah > > http://www.myspace.com/myst11 > > > > > > > > > > Jerry G wrote: > > > Cyberkrel wrote: > > >> EVERY album? Surely not - even the most committed of Hawkwfans surely > > >> can't say that, for example, "Yuri Gagarin" is better than, say, to > > >> choose an example close to home, Krel's "Out of Space". Or maybe you > > >> can? If I had to compile a list of genuine space-rock albums that > > >> could hold a candle to Hawkwind, it would have Spacehead, Space > > >> Mirrors, Krel, Litmus, The Other Window, Dr Hasbeen and Farflung, to > > >> name but a few. Now I'm not saying that any of these are btter than > > >> Hawkwind - and not all these people's albums are "as good" - but it > > >> follows that you'll get a lot more pleasure out of any one of these > > >> in terms of listening, rather than yet another compilation or reissue > > >> from the labels that still try it on where the Hawks are concerne > > > > > > I was thinking the same thing with them and probably ST37, Darxtar, > > > Architectural Metaphor, and F/I (Blanga has been getting a lot of air > > > play here). > > > > - From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Mar 29 18:12:00 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Anthony ORourke) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:12:00 +0100 Subject: BOC current set list? In-Reply-To: <000301c652df$b239e0c0$0100a8c0@savje> Message-ID: Adam, go to BOC set list central at www.hotrails,com and?@check out the giglopedia. Adam Savje wrote: Hey does anyone know what the approximate setlist of BOC is? I'm seeing them in plymouth, MA in April. thanks adam From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 30 03:18:50 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:18:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <4427F648.6040600@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 03:27:20PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Eh, well, while _DH_ is not exactly a great album, and I'm more than > happy to criticize HW when I think they're sucking :) I thought there a > few interesting moments on _DH_ (mostly courtesy of Mr. Tree, actually, > of whom I am not otherwise _that_ big a fan). Admittedly, the album > didn't seem that finished and there was a lot of forgettable stuff, but > I wouldn't necessarily rate it worse than IITBOTFTBD .... I like the Ron stuff on DH a great deal, and Jerry's contributions too, but it did rather herald this trend whereby the rest of the band does songs and Dave does pieces and never the twain shall meet. I think that TMTYL actually avoids that quite well, all the component parts of the band meld nicely for the most part, the only tracks that clearly identified their main authors to me were `Greenback Massacre' and `Angela Android', even the latter of which has a Brock credit too. Meanwhile there isn't anything that immediately identified itself as Brock filler. DH was kind of towards the opposite extreme there and IYA was the peak of that particular line, where offstage it really did seem to be two separate bands. All the same, DH is one of the albums I do play more often than most, although I don't play HW half as much as I used to. > If one took all the best HW compositions since 1990 and put them > together on an album produced with some serious muscle (I dunno, call > Rick Rubin or Chris Goss or someone :) then that would be a pretty good > album, IMO! I kind of agree that some new production muscle might make for a big difference. The production on _Spacebrock_, to me, is marvellous, clear and present, whereas TMTYL suffers from the same thing as DarXtar's _Tombola_, of having been in the guitarist's computer for a year or so too long and acquired too many layers to sound that fresh and immediate. So maybe they just need to keep rolling stuff out as quickly as is sensible :-) Mainly it would be nice to see what someone with an aggressive vision could get the band to produce. But of course that's exactly what Dave has things set up to stop; he wants his vision instead and that's fair enough. It's not as if I can show that making other people's Hawkwind would make him more money. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 30 14:05:32 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:05:32 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <001001c651ae$1f2733a0$e6636b58@john6qd920sg2e> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 03:52:51PM +0100, john-paul typed out: > for all those people who are slagging HW albums, specifically DH & > IITBOTFTBD, i'm sorry but its a stupid statement to be making. you may > not like the album in question but someone else may think it's the > best thing ever. you can say you don't like it but don't slag it off. > it is the fact that every HW album is different and some old fans may > not like it but new fans may become involved, that make the hawks such > an incredible band. IMHO DH is not my favourite album but there are > many parts of it that are steering towards TMTYL which is a fine > album. HW are ever evolving and as such there will be peaks and > troughs, but lets stop the slagging. remember " it is the business of > the future to be dangerous" I see the point that one man's meat is another poison, OK, but there ought somewhere to be room in any critical scheme for the possibility that such and such an album just wasn't as well done or as effective a piece of work as another one. Even the Hawks have off days. In fact, many would say that some of the Hawks best gigs have been their off days. And then there are the truly *bad* ones where it all just doesn't work. Same with the albums; DH wasn't finished, and no-one with the best will in the world could call _Spacebrock_ a fully-conceived Hawkwind album could they? Some things are worse in some qualities than other things. However, the scale on which you measure them and the one I use may not be the same... Yours, Jon (whose current most-played HW seems to be WotEoT, ET & TMTYL) ObCD: Clutch - _Slow Hole to China_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 30 15:13:48 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:13:48 +0100 Subject: HW: album slagging In-Reply-To: <20060327112828.0yvcg0488w80kgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:28:28AM -0500, David Kuznick typed out: > Quoting Iain Ferguson : > > Its complete tosh, completely horrid 80's mixing gone horribly wrong > > with nasty gated effected drums that sound like an Roland 808 drum > > machine put through the tumble drier... Yuk yuk yuk, and I love martin > > griffins drumming. but on this it's almost more leaded than D. > > Thompson Junior... > I like Choose Your Masques quite a bit (though I admit I didn't like it at all > at first). Then again, I'm that weirdo who thinks Club Ninja isn't all that > bad either. I haven't listend to Distant Horizons since it first came out, but > I know I thought it was awful then. I guess I'll give it another listen. I do like _Choose Your Masques_ though I agree about the production and the drums. There are also only really three songs on there if you're generous and accept that `Choose Your Masques' itself counts as one and not a monotone. But I like all thesynth pieces there, especially `Void City which is not perhaps typical HW but makes an awful lot of sense once you've had it on headphones while travelling the London Underground... And `Fahrenheit 451' is top stuff. It beats _Sonic Attack_ as an album any day by my reckoning. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Mar 31 03:43:43 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:43:43 +0100 Subject: HW: album slagging In-Reply-To: <20060330201347.GH1879@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett wrote on 30/03/2006, 21:13: lot of sense once you've had it on headphones while travelling the > London Underground... And `Fahrenheit 451' is top stuff. It beats _Sonic > Attack_ as an album any day by my reckoning. Yours, yep Void city & F451 are the best on the Ablum, but do you really prefer Choose your masks over Sonic Attack ? I love Sonic Attack, one of my actual fave Hawkwind Albums... Now if anyone has a copy of Sonic Attack on CD for sale let me know. Cheers iain From zim594j at TNINET.SE Fri Mar 31 03:51:11 2006 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:51:11 +0200 Subject: HW: album slagging In-Reply-To: <442CEBBF.4080706@aol.com> Message-ID: Agreed, Sonic Attack is great! I think the songs on Choose Your Masques are great too, it's just the production that sucks! While on the subjet, I love Church Of Hawkwind too! The RCA period was a really good period IMHO! 2006-03-31 kl. 10.43 skrev Iain Ferguson: > Jonathan Jarrett wrote on 30/03/2006, 21:13: > lot of sense once you've had it on headphones while travelling the >> London Underground... And `Fahrenheit 451' is top stuff. It beats >> _Sonic >> Attack_ as an album any day by my reckoning. Yours, > > yep Void city & F451 are the best on the Ablum, > > but do you really prefer Choose your masks over Sonic Attack ? > > I love Sonic Attack, one of my actual fave Hawkwind Albums... > > Now if anyone has a copy of Sonic Attack on CD for sale let me know. > > Cheers iain > > _______ To get nostalgic about other people's music, or even about your own, makes a terrible statement about the condition of your life and your prospects for the future.- Neil Peart From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Mar 31 04:04:06 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:04:06 +0100 Subject: HW: album slagging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ohhh Church of Hawkwind...... thats great Album. So odd that a couple of my dyed in the wool Punk mates bought this Album when it came out. They loved it so much when they heard it round my house. I supposed they must a been smoking pot by then and stopped the keep awake stuff. Kenneth Magnusson wrote on 31/03/2006, 09:51: > Agreed, Sonic Attack is great! I think the songs on Choose Your Masques > are great too, it's just the production that sucks! While on the > subjet, I love Church Of Hawkwind too! The RCA period was a really good > period IMHO! > 2006-03-31 kl. 10.43 skrev Iain Ferguson: > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 31 04:09:15 2006 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:09:15 +0000 Subject: HW: album slagging In-Reply-To: <442CEBBF.4080706@aol.com> Message-ID: yes, apart from the pointless and rather awful reworking of the track "sonic attack", the album is one of my favs, with much better production sound than "choose your masks/masques".And on the cd you get " trans-dimensional man" which is a darn good b-side! Yes, i think " masques" was ruined by muddy production, and too many fillers..but redeemed by the classic "ARRIVAL in utopia"... and " fahrenheit 451"(although Daves riff on that sounds a bit familiar!) pete >From: Iain Ferguson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: album slagging >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:43:43 +0100 > >Jonathan Jarrett wrote on 30/03/2006, 21:13: >lot of sense once you've had it on headphones while travelling the > > London Underground... And `Fahrenheit 451' is top stuff. It beats >_Sonic > > Attack_ as an album any day by my reckoning. Yours, > >yep Void city & F451 are the best on the Ablum, > >but do you really prefer Choose your masks over Sonic Attack ? > >I love Sonic Attack, one of my actual fave Hawkwind Albums... > >Now if anyone has a copy of Sonic Attack on CD for sale let me know. > >Cheers iain _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 31 08:16:02 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:16:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Big announcement??? In-Reply-To: <20060328010320.79811.qmail@web33212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 05:03:20PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > I'm no more 'we' than you, but I'd rather have the Hawkfest. Now if > it were a full-length *really* new album (there's no guarantee this > previously unreleased music isn't just some studio noodlings and > TMTYL outtakes, or maybe those Bob Calvert poems put to backing > music), I'd reconsider. But if there were any really great > recently-written rock songs on there, you'd think we'd have heard > them live sometime in the last calendar year. I admit to similar suspicions about what we're actually getting here. I can see your point about escaping to festivals I guess; I've never really put that value on them, mainly because they cost so bloody much, even just in terms of travel and eating, that going to more than very few has been petty impossibe for most of my life. The Hawkfest I wouldn't be going to for entirely other reasons as well, so if they were to do that and not an album, I would be out of luck. Of course, ideally both, but that would need `power' management, which would cost money and artistic liberty, and all that. > P.S. I have 'issues' I guess. Acute homesickness for one. I tend to get fed up with places quicker than I can leave them, so in this respect I guess I am a different kind of lucky. Yours, Jon ObCD: Bad Brains - _Banned in DC_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Fri Mar 31 08:30:21 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:30:21 -0500 Subject: off:TEST Message-ID: This is only a test...(if this were an actual sonic atttack...) -- tim 8>)... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 31 15:03:39 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:39 +0100 Subject: album slagging In-Reply-To: <200603280146.k2S1kbEk012132@mail28.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 08:46:37PM -0500, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM typed out: > Tim Hall wrote: > > I quite like about two thirds of that one [Club Ninja]. If you make an imaginary > > album by replacing the two cheesiest songs with the two BOC songs from > > "Bad Channels", you'd end up with a decent album. I do think that's a really good idea, FWIW. I might have to burn a disc with that arrangement. But I suspect I would in the end only replace... > Now here's the trick...which two are the cheesiest? If you asked around here, I bet every song on the album would get named at least once. ;-) `Make Rock Not War' must be on *everyone's* list. After that I agree, it'll vary. > As of this moment, I'd probably have to go with Madness to the Method > and When the War Comes. Beat 'Em Up is silly, but it's just too fun to > skip. I would leave off `Madness to the Method' just because it's not very good and the words don't make the sense that Buck was presumably hoping they'd make and it bugs me. `Beat 'em Up' is a fine song married by awful lyrics. `When the War Comes' is one of the most classic BOC riffs ever then obliterated by that upwards shift for a pop verse thing that Buck was doing in the mid-eighties, but there's still good stuff in there. Except for the terrible couplet ending in `fist' whose precise horror thankfully escapes me. And... OK, maybe that should go too. But I always like to imagine the song that could have been if only they'd worked with that first riff. Actually, to be honest, if we're recreating the album in our own favourite way, I haven't anything good to say about `Shadow Warrior' either, let's leave that off and then we can ditch the daft title. Hey is it 1986 yet? Yours, Jon ObCD: Birth Control - _Operation_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk