From Michael_Balatico at BROWN.EDU Fri Dec 1 02:10:24 2006 From: Michael_Balatico at BROWN.EDU (Balatico, Michael) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 02:10:24 -0500 Subject: winter break in the whites anyone? Message-ID: hey guys, anybody here from around boston and has a car and wants to spend about 11 days hiking around the whites more specifically the presidential range? i'd really like to get in some mountaineering in january right before second semester starts but i don't have a car and more importantly i don't have a partner(s). i have a pretty good idea about what to do up there. i would like to use the harvard mountaineering club cabin as a base camp and then set out on three 3 or 4 day trips to launch summit attempts on some of the mountains of the presidential range. aside from a pack and warm clothing, the gear you'd need would be crampons, boots that can take crampons, ice axe, snowshoes, ski poles, but if you don't have this gear there's a shop in north conway where you can rent. so i hope someone out there (someone w/ a car) is interested in doing this and we can get this expedition rolling! mike b. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 1 03:40:46 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:40:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <70254.84420.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 01 Dec 2006, at 00:39, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like > this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, > warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? Aw, now I like them :) They just make this big fat noise, which is quite soothing, really :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 1 06:49:31 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:49:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 Message-ID: I've been meaning to get round to writing this, well, since the gig in fact, and this has both advantages and disadvantages for you the readers, the former being that it will be shorter and the latter being that this is because I can't remember the details. In summary, though, one of the best Motorhead gigs I've seen after a slightly ropey start. First support were a band called Crucified Barbara, but I had to Google just now to find out their name, because they never mentioned it, they were all but three songs done when I got in only a few minutes after doors time, and they hadn't been named on any of the posters. They were fairly nondescript chugga-whee style metal, without much by way of impact or song value to mark them out, but they were all female and had hair that blew in the stage breeze and so on, so they made a perfectly good support band for Motorhead, or at least, some noise and spectacle while we tried to get beer through the one-person-at-a-time passage between bar and auditorium. (Aside: the Corn Exchange is the only concert venue I go to which has a patisserie counter. It's probably for the best that Lemmy didn't see this.) Main support were however Clutch, and here opinions varied. I thought they made the best use of a set where they had a blues-friendly audience to stretch out a bit and not be quite so frantic and hardcore as I've seen them be in the past. Sherman on the other hand thought they were playing as if they were getting old, and Rich Lockwood (who, like Andy Gilham, was there to represent the BOC-L diaspora) thought they were completely unlistenable. This last seemed to be because they didn't stick to 4:4, which they never do, and I found it all highly danceable even though I was really tired, so I would call this a good gig, and Jean-Paul Gaster is still one of the few drummers whom I'd be happy to see play a song by himself, as he can actually hold a tune with a (tiny) drumkit, he's that good. So yeah: I'd say you had to be there but it seems that even if you were it didn't help much to decide you on their quality. Setlist included `Burning Beard', `The Incomparable Mr Flannery', a pair of new songs separated by `Mice and Gods', `The Mob Goes Wild' (with an extra guitarist who couldn't really be heard and whom I couldn't identify, but who contributed to a long jam with drum solo), and ended with what may have been another new song or else a blues cover which at the last minute mutated unexpectedly into `One Eye Dollar' from _Jam Room_. Almost nothing from more than an album ago, therefore, but the new stuff sounded pretty promising. Motorhead weren't too long in coming on, and Lemmy as ever appeared to start in a foul mood. The first third of the set just didn't gel for me, it was careless. I wouldn't say they were making mistakes but they just weren't all with it in the same way. I thought this of them at the Wembley gig with HW too, so people who were there may know what I mean. First part of the setlist was: Dr Rock Stay Clean Killers Metropolis Smiling Like a Killer I confess I've had to Google for the new ones' titles, not yet having _Inferno_. This, it has to be said, seems to be something that I should change as they completely stood up against the old numbers. All the same, it was only OK for this patch of show. Things changed with: Sacrifice They mainly changed during the drum solo, because firstly Mikkey Dee may not actually be the best drummer in the world as Lemmy claims, but I've only seen one who could beat him in a showing-off contest, and that was Carl Palmer and that contains the danger that the showing-off might be during `Karn Evil 9', which strikes me as a price not worth paying... But anyway. Mikkey was fabulous, and went on for ages, and this gave Lemmy and Phil enough time to wander off and get most of the way through a cigarette each and when they came on they just seemed far happier with things and it made all the difference. You can tell things moved up a gear with how the setlist went after that: Going to Brazil I may not have the order right here, but either way, before the next number Lemmy changed his bass for a thing I'd never seen before, big red beast with kind of dragon's-tails styling at the end of the body, ridiculous instrument. "This is ZZ-head", Lemmy announced, and it looked like it belonged there, but what they actually did was something I entirely didn't expect, a Thin Lizzy cover: Rosalie I have to say, the musicality of this number stuck out like a thumb, not a sore one but still obvious, from the rest of the set, but it was still pretty good. Lemmy can't sing as well as Phil Lynott though. What can you do? I bet he played it better than any recent Thin Lizzy line-up do. Over the Top Just 'Cause You Got The Power This made my night, in so far as it hadn't already been made by `Going to Brazil'. It's pompous, overblown and dull, and Sherman took a bathroom break within seconds of it starting, but I love it, and it was also the first time I've ever heard Phil Campbell do something with a guitar live that was interesting rather than just appropriate. He was quite good for a while. I Got Mine Entertaining that they do a Thin Lizzy cover but don't mention the Thin Lizzy guitarist who helped them write this one. Instead, Lemmy gave us a short earful for hating the album when it came out--he can keep grudges longer than anyone else in music can't he?--and then equally grudgingly accepted that most of the people in the audience hadn't been born at that point so it wasn't really their fault. It was a young audience, and it was noticeable how many of them appeared to know the new stuff, which makes them better fans than I in some sense. Anyway... Killed by Death In the Name of Tragedy Introduced by Lemmy with mock sorrow in voice and a hand pressed dramatically to his forehead. He was having fun by now it seemed. Iron Fist Excellent. * When they eventually came back on for the encore, we were in for a shock, because Phil and Mikkey both took the stage with acoustic guitars, and Lemmy sans bass stepped up to the mic and said, "This is Motorhead Unhinged!" And then he proceeded to sing the blues, and it was really surprisingly good. I probably shouldn't be surprised that Mikkey can keep time on a guitar, or that Phil can play quite good Spanish-style soloes, but all the same, let it be noted. Whorehouse Blues All the same, as Arthur Brown has often observed, "there comes a time in life, when you have to play your hit". So a rapid reversion to their nineties instrumentation :-) and, finally and predictably: Ace of Spades Overkill Lemmy thanked everyone for being a great audience, which is quite a plaudit for Cambridge, but it had been a good experience, once the band cheered up so did everyone else and there was a lot of dancing,. Mixed-up setlist like I've never seen: I can't remember when I saw a band successfully haul out so many unexpected skeletons from closets and make them dance so well, with the possible exception I suppose of Hawkwind :-) So good in fact as *nearly* to be worth the swingeing ticket price... But Lemmy is unmistakably beginning to age at last, and though he's fighting it as hard as ever I suppose there will come a point when they finally hang up the instruments, and then I'll be glad I paid that money because this was one to remember. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 1 07:17:00 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:17:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061201114930.GB2186@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I'm still bummed I missed this gig -- called away to S.American unexpectedly on family business. Such, alas, is life! In compensation, I did make it to the record launch party of an unknown Latin pop-rock dude I very vaguely know only via the internet (well, previously only via the internet) and an outdoor Shakira mega-concert (who I'll maintain is a better musician than most people probably give her credit for, and is considerably easier on the eyes than Lemmy, but still ain't Motorhead! ;) Anyway ... On 01/12/2006 11:49, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > the Corn Exchange is the only > concert venue I go to which has a patisserie counter. It's probably for > the best that Lemmy didn't see this.) Gods only know to what use he'd eventually put that eclair .... > Clutch [...] opinions varied. I > thought they made the best use of a set where they had a blues-friendly > audience to stretch out a bit and not be quite so frantic and hardcore > as I've seen them be in the past. Sherman on the other hand thought they > were playing as if they were getting old, and Rich Lockwood (who, like > Andy Gilham, was there to represent the BOC-L diaspora) thought they > were completely unlistenable. This last seemed to be because they didn't > stick to 4:4, which they never do, and I found it all highly danceable > even though I was really tired, so I would call this a good gig [...] > long jam with drum > solo), and ended with what may have been another new song or else a > blues cover which at the last minute mutated unexpectedly into `One Eye > Dollar' from _Jam Room_. I think I would have liked it -- and I think I'm more bummed to have missed Clutch (only seen 'em once) than Motorhead (seen 'em a bunch of time, though "too much is never enough", natch!). > I confess I've had to Google for the new ones' titles, not yet > having _Inferno_. This, it has to be said, seems to be something that I > should change as they completely stood up against the old numbers. Should I feel obliged to note that the latest album is _Kiss of Death_? Inferno is _so_ 2004, man! ;) > before the > next number Lemmy changed his bass for a thing I'd never seen before, > big red beast with kind of dragon's-tails styling at the end of the > body, ridiculous instrument. "This is ZZ-head", Lemmy announced, and it > looked like it belonged there, but what they actually did was something > I entirely didn't expect, a Thin Lizzy cover I suppose it would churlish of me to think they ought to have played "Beer Drinkers and Hell-raisers" at this point :) > But Lemmy is unmistakably beginning to age at > last, and though he's fighting it as hard as ever I suppose there will > come a point when they finally hang up the instruments Probably over the effigy on his grave! (I imagine a graven Lemmy-image, bearing the Motorhead coat-of-arms, with a beatific if warty expression, and its feet resting on one of those little snaggletooth "war boar" critters :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Dec 1 07:28:24 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:28:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061201114930.GB2186@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Cheers for the review of the 1st two bands, I was at the Bristol show and decided that the Pub was a better place to be until show time... Your review could equally apply to the bristol show. things of note. 1/ I thought Rosalie was terrific 2/ both Lemmy & Phil Cambell has those guitars ( and daft they looked) 3/ they looked miserable for first 25 mins at bristol. 4/ Mikki Dee was having snare drum problems, and had to tune it up very early on, he was complaining of little bounce, ( not tuned high enough) 5/ Brazil is an awesome number, never really listen to it live before, though they've played it for the past 4 years at Bristol... 6/ The motorhead annual autumn Bristol gig seems to have replaced the Hawkwind annual autumn gig in Bristol... shame regards Iain From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:24:04 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:24:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 Message-ID: >>> jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK 12/1/2006 6:49 AM >>> Sacrifice They mainly changed during the drum solo, because firstly Mikkey Dee may not actually be the best drummer in the world as Lemmy claims, but I've only seen one who could beat him in a showing-off contest, and that was Carl Palmer and that contains the danger that the showing-off might be during `Karn Evil 9', which strikes me as a price not worth paying... Hmm...There's a pretty decent drummer on this very forum you might want to give a listen to. I don't know that he's into the showing-off thing, but I've never heard either Carl Palmer or Mickey Dee do anything beat-wise, actually contributing to a song that compares to his work on the first 3 albums... theo Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From albert at CELLSUM.COM Fri Dec 1 09:12:58 2006 From: albert at CELLSUM.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:12:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <70254.84420.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Both Motorhead and the Jam opened for BOC at various times in the 70s. Motorhead was WAY more fun. Al From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 1 09:31:48 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:31:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <8874DB98-BBC7-44A9-A51C-42E67F49304C@cellsum.com> Message-ID: On 01/12/2006 14:12, albert bouchard wrote: > Both Motorhead and the Jam opened for BOC at various times in the 70s. > Motorhead was WAY more fun. Ayyyya .... No, I tried, and I just couldn't go into shock at this news. ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Dec 1 09:44:30 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:44:30 +0000 Subject: H/W: hawklords, QSC Message-ID: Hi, We've had some of the early classic LP's remastered, wondered if anyone knew if there was any plans for the mid to late 70's output ( Charisma) to get the remaster / remix treatment. I've seen on E-bay griffin, Sunrise & Virgin releases of these Albums, I take it Virgins the worst, an Griffin the best. Anyone care to comment on the quality, because I really want a crystal clear new remastered version, but not sure we're gonna get it, and therefore may just have to fork out the lolly on these. regards Iain From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 08:31:19 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:31:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Message-ID: ....when I first heard Hawkwind I hadn't even heard of the song, "Silver Machine", which does truly suck as a song!! Its not heavy metal like "Song Of The Swords" or "Arioch"!! Christian who is angry at China & USA Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 09:59:34 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:59:34 +0000 Subject: H/W: hawklords, QSC Message-ID: the old Virgin ones are the classics, the Sunrise ones have great bonus tracks and Griffin are cheesey...... as for Rock Fever I assume they, like Sunrise, are pirate versions.... Christian NP: The Who - Who's Next ----- Original Message ---- From: iain ferguson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Friday, 1 December, 2006 3:44:30 PM Subject: H/W: hawklords, QSC Hi, We've had some of the early classic LP's remastered, wondered if anyone knew if there was any plans for the mid to late 70's output ( Charisma) to get the remaster / remix treatment. I've seen on E-bay griffin, Sunrise & Virgin releases of these Albums, I take it Virgins the worst, an Griffin the best. Anyone care to comment on the quality, because I really want a crystal clear new remastered version, but not sure we're gonna get it, and therefore may just have to fork out the lolly on these. regards Iain Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Fri Dec 1 16:39:51 2006 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:39:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: You like The Police and Talking Heads and you've never heard The Jam? Wow! Musically - in a nutshell, a watered down Who! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Henderson To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy > Chris (and others essentially) wrote... > > >Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. > > I'm not sure I was the one who was supposedly "dismissing" Weller like so, but I should note that I don't believe I can really "dismiss" somebody who I know absolutely nothing about. I was being serious...I have *never* heard of Paul Weller before. (Paul Westerberg, sure, but not this guy.) Apparently, he's about as famous in the US as cricket commentator (and Turkish historian) E.W. Swanton. If what I've read in Wikipedia is accurate. > > His other band, The Style Council, is a vaguely familiar name, but I'm certain I've never heard any of their music either. The Jam is 100% obscure to me. Most semi-popular bands I have at least come to recognize by name simply by spending half my life in record/CD stores over the years. (That will change in 5 years, when such stores cease to exist...but for now...) > > But anyway, from his look alone in the photo accompanying the article, it appeared to me he was some sort of new-waver guy. The Jam, though, seems to have started out in 1977 or thereabouts, which means that he predates New Wave by a few years, so I can't guess exactly what they sounded like. "Mod revivalist" or whatever they're called doesn't mean much to me, because I didn't even know there was any revival of "mod" culture, which itself was pretty much a British thing to start with. (I remember watching Quadrophenia in college and thinking this is all made up...there were never actual subcultures like this, were there?) Anyway, I get the impression even that Jam stuff might be fairly awful, if it were a throwback to early/mid 60s. Music starts to get interesting for me about 1967, *not* 1966 (OK, Tomorrow Never Knows, *maybe*), but *certainly* not 1965. There's a very sharp line, maybe June 21, 1967 or something. Until Pink Floyd, or Procol Harum's 1st, or Days of > Future Passed, I'm simply not interested when it comes to popular forms of music. Period. > > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > So, again, who the f*ck is he? Really?! :) > > I mean, nobody has really talked substantively about his music, either with these two old bands or solo work. I hate to clutter up the list with such terrible off-topic nonsense, but I'm really quite amazed that somebody so (apparently) famous and "influential" could still be a complete unknown to me. I have, after all, spent quite a lot of time in England myself over the past five years. And I know who E.W. Swanton was. :) > > Grakkl > > P.S. Just so it's clear, "80s new wave rubbish" is unnecessarily redundant, as there is no other kind of new wave. Somebody mentioned Joy Division as a point of reference for this discussion...about five years ago (?), I actually bought a compilation CD of this band (cheapie used, thankfully), based on some recommendations I had seen someplace (not here, I don't think...but who knows?). Anyway, I found it to be appallingly awful miserable dreck. The only worse ("rock") bands I have ever heard than Joy Division are Duran Duran and this German band from the same era called "Spliff," oddly enough. A compilation "Spliff" CD is, almost certainly, the very worst "rock" album I own on CD... well, FM's "Tonight" might also come close, although I might have lost that one (hopefully) somewhere along the line. I don't think I've ever managed to listen to any of these all the way through. God, 80s music was awful, wasn't it? I mean, the percussion sound of 80s engineering > alone was bad enough to ruin one's day (even infiltrating the halls of one Rockfield Studios in Monmouth, Wales, much to the chagrin of this HW fan), let alone all the nasty keyboards and sappy vocals. Ugh. I'm not a Nirvana fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Thank God for Kurt Cobain!! Post-1989, we've never heard that sort of awful production ever again. For that alone, he's a saint. > > P.P.S. So, is The Jam/Paul Weller "80s" dreck, or not? 1977 is not the worst year to have been "born"...so it could go either way. I'm a fan of the Police and Talking Heads, after all. > > P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 1 17:09:48 2006 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:09:48 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <005e01c71591$3cbfea40$6d338351@andy> Message-ID: Yeah, but they covered The Kinks' "David Watts," right? To compare Lemmy and Paul W. seems futile to me. Not that one can appreciate their work: past and present. I thought what I'd heard of the Style Council was unique if middle of the road and more R&Bish. Solo, haven't really heard much. Perhaps I should have stayed out of this one... Gary Cyberkrel wrote: You like The Police and Talking Heads and you've never heard The Jam? Wow! Musically - in a nutshell, a watered down Who! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Henderson To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy > Chris (and others essentially) wrote... > > >Whatever Paul Wellers faults, dismissing his work out of hand is just crass. > > I'm not sure I was the one who was supposedly "dismissing" Weller like so, but I should note that I don't believe I can really "dismiss" somebody who I know absolutely nothing about. I was being serious...I have *never* heard of Paul Weller before. (Paul Westerberg, sure, but not this guy.) Apparently, he's about as famous in the US as cricket commentator (and Turkish historian) E.W. Swanton. If what I've read in Wikipedia is accurate. > > His other band, The Style Council, is a vaguely familiar name, but I'm certain I've never heard any of their music either. The Jam is 100% obscure to me. Most semi-popular bands I have at least come to recognize by name simply by spending half my life in record/CD stores over the years. (That will change in 5 years, when such stores cease to exist...but for now...) > > But anyway, from his look alone in the photo accompanying the article, it appeared to me he was some sort of new-waver guy. The Jam, though, seems to have started out in 1977 or thereabouts, which means that he predates New Wave by a few years, so I can't guess exactly what they sounded like. "Mod revivalist" or whatever they're called doesn't mean much to me, because I didn't even know there was any revival of "mod" culture, which itself was pretty much a British thing to start with. (I remember watching Quadrophenia in college and thinking this is all made up...there were never actual subcultures like this, were there?) Anyway, I get the impression even that Jam stuff might be fairly awful, if it were a throwback to early/mid 60s. Music starts to get interesting for me about 1967, *not* 1966 (OK, Tomorrow Never Knows, *maybe*), but *certainly* not 1965. There's a very sharp line, maybe June 21, 1967 or something. Until Pink Floyd, or Procol Harum's 1st, or Days of > Future Passed, I'm simply not interested when it comes to popular forms of music. Period. > > > Who the f*ck is Paul Weller? Never heard of him...or this band "the Jam." > > So, again, who the f*ck is he? Really?! :) > > I mean, nobody has really talked substantively about his music, either with these two old bands or solo work. I hate to clutter up the list with such terrible off-topic nonsense, but I'm really quite amazed that somebody so (apparently) famous and "influential" could still be a complete unknown to me. I have, after all, spent quite a lot of time in England myself over the past five years. And I know who E.W. Swanton was. :) > > Grakkl > > P.S. Just so it's clear, "80s new wave rubbish" is unnecessarily redundant, as there is no other kind of new wave. Somebody mentioned Joy Division as a point of reference for this discussion...about five years ago (?), I actually bought a compilation CD of this band (cheapie used, thankfully), based on some recommendations I had seen someplace (not here, I don't think...but who knows?). Anyway, I found it to be appallingly awful miserable dreck. The only worse ("rock") bands I have ever heard than Joy Division are Duran Duran and this German band from the same era called "Spliff," oddly enough. A compilation "Spliff" CD is, almost certainly, the very worst "rock" album I own on CD... well, FM's "Tonight" might also come close, although I might have lost that one (hopefully) somewhere along the line. I don't think I've ever managed to listen to any of these all the way through. God, 80s music was awful, wasn't it? I mean, the percussion sound of 80s engineering > alone was bad enough to ruin one's day (even infiltrating the halls of one Rockfield Studios in Monmouth, Wales, much to the chagrin of this HW fan), let alone all the nasty keyboards and sappy vocals. Ugh. I'm not a Nirvana fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Thank God for Kurt Cobain!! Post-1989, we've never heard that sort of awful production ever again. For that alone, he's a saint. > > P.P.S. So, is The Jam/Paul Weller "80s" dreck, or not? 1977 is not the worst year to have been "born"...so it could go either way. I'm a fan of the Police and Talking Heads, after all. > > P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 1 19:20:07 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:20:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <8465647.1164935794395.JavaMail.root@web26> Message-ID: Hey Stephe/all... >Hi Keith, Since I've met you and know you're an intelligent man. I think The Jam were one of the best bands ever. I know they are unknown in the USA. Here are some video links so you can get a taste. Thanks very much for that! Interesting. With these four songs, you very well see the transition from the punk revolution (so to speak) of 1976 and the subsequent gutter-dive to c. 1981 new wave drivel...in a nutshell. The last song here, "Going Underground" is really quite dire IMHO, despite it being a bit more lively than the usual new wave groove/beat/whathaveyou. I see a hint there of the "Melt with You" song (who was that?) that I've always considered representative of the essence of true new-wave evil. So The Jam were obviously, like their contemporaries The Police and Talking Heads (who I really only mentioned because of the temporal aspect), are a pretty good reference for the type of band that spanned this particular point in pop/rock evolution. The first track here seems very "1977," punk influenced, the second and third ones the kind of retro 1965-Who/Beatles (Taxman almost!) alluded to in biogs, and then eventually it gets crappy new-waveish on that final song. Presumably, The Style Council (the name seems right at least) was more of that sort of thing. Anyway, it's all been quite educational, thank you. And to AndyG and the rest of you who wonder how some of us (?) are clueless about the Jam...all the comments about them at YouTube/elsewhere seem to be something like "Criminally unknown in the US/outside the UK." So The Jam is just obviously one of those bands that just never made it to the US for whatever reason. Just like Status Quo and Slade (although Slade had one hit album in c. 1983, way after their "prime"). Last year, I remember from a biography of John Peel's life that I had read (not his autobiography which was released shortly after his death), that his personal "theme song" was something called "Teenage Kicks" (I think) by some band I'd never heard of. And also of course, this soccer song (that I am not sure I've even ever heard...despite having attended European soccer matches on occasion) "You'll Never Walk Alone" (by who?) and being struck that popularity between US and UK is not as homogenized as one might have thought. Which now makes me wonder...who are the odd (No.) American superstar artists/bands that just have never caught on in the UK/Europe? Surely, there are some folks in the UK that have a favorite US/Canadian band that none of their peers know anything about, yeah? I would be interested to know who they might be...I can't think of any famous examples like the ones (in reverse) above. >I absolutely love Joy Division, but maybe its just a matter of taste. I don't like Prog, Procal harum etc... Doesn't mean its crap right? Well, I might argue that some music I like I would *agree* is crap. (Though not Procol Harum's first, which anyway is a lot more blues than prog.) It's possible to acknowledge its general crapness and still take to it anyway. None of us are perfect. :) I would be surprised if anyone here thought that 10,000 Maniacs wasn't crap, and I've been known to attend their concerts over many years. And as I've pointed out here on a number of occasions, I find it hard not to sincerely enjoy hearing Blondie's ode to disco "Heart of Glass" every time I have the chance. Sometimes, enjoyment of music can be a sickness. :) So if I ever publicly slander a band and anyone's fandom thereof, I guess it really can't be that personal, can it? Hopefully, I'll never grow that hypocritical. >Never cared much for Duran duran though. Oh well if you don't like the Jam, then thats fine too. After those four songs, I would say I'm kind of 'ho-hum' about them. Not Joy Division/Duran Duran bad, but nothing to write home about either. FWIW. Grakkl P.S. I also don't know "Candle in the Wind" which I only know is a famous song because of Diana's funeral. I'm not sure I've ever heard it. In Fall 1997, I was in the Himalayas and missed the whole Diana thing. Was that a popular song in the UK before Diana's death? Every hit song of Elton John I thought was big here too, but for every time it was played on the radio here (in the 70s and 80s), "Philadelphia Freedom" must have been heard 1,000 times I'm guessing. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 1 19:28:06 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:28:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <005e01c71591$3cbfea40$6d338351@andy> Message-ID: On 01 Dec 2006, at 21:39, Cyberkrel wrote: > You like The Police and Talking Heads and you've never heard The > Jam? Wow! > Musically - in a nutshell, a watered down Who! Mmm, yes, that's kind of my impression from from when I was in secondary school in the UK in the 80s. One always heard "The Jam/The Who" in the same breath, one saw it on graffiti. But, even at that tender age, yeah, The Jam did come across a _bit_ like a watered down Who .... And, why would one want to water down The Who? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 1 21:04:21 2006 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Ulf Hamr) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:04:21 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Hi Carl, I see the influence, but how do you figure they are a watered down version of the Who? I fail to see the comparison. I think they compare to the Kinks more than the Who. Cheers Stephe > On 01 Dec 2006, at 21:39, Cyberkrel wrote: > > You like The Police and Talking Heads and you've never heard The > > Jam? Wow! > > Musically - in a nutshell, a watered down Who! > > Mmm, yes, that's kind of my impression from from when I was in > secondary school in the UK in the 80s. One always heard "The Jam/The > Who" in the same breath, one saw it on graffiti. But, even at that > tender age, yeah, The Jam did come across a _bit_ like a watered down > Who .... And, why would one want to water down The Who? :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Dec 1 21:10:47 2006 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Ulf Hamr) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:10:47 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Hej Keith, great post. Thanks for at least checking them out. Melt with you was by the Modern English, and Teenage kicks was the Undertones. LOL!! Can you believe I wasn't much into the New wave thing, but I guess I was around alot of folks who listened to it. Cheers Stephe > Hey Stephe/all... > > >Hi Keith, Since I've met you and know you're an intelligent man. I think The Jam were one of the best bands ever. I know they are unknown in the USA. Here are some video links so you can get a taste. > > > > Thanks very much for that! Interesting. With these four songs, you very well see the transition from the punk revolution (so to speak) of 1976 and the subsequent gutter-dive to c. 1981 new wave drivel...in a nutshell. The last song here, "Going Underground" is really quite dire IMHO, despite it being a bit more lively than the usual new wave groove/beat/whathaveyou. I see a hint there of the "Melt with You" song (who was that?) that I've always considered representative of the essence of true new-wave evil. > > So The Jam were obviously, like their contemporaries The Police and Talking Heads (who I really only mentioned because of the temporal aspect), are a pretty good reference for the type of band that spanned this particular point in pop/rock evolution. The first track here seems very "1977," punk influenced, the second and third ones the kind of retro 1965-Who/Beatles (Taxman almost!) alluded to in biogs, and then eventually it gets crappy new-waveish on that final song. Presumably, The Style Council (the name seems right at least) was more of that sort of thing. > > Anyway, it's all been quite educational, thank you. And to AndyG and the rest of you who wonder how some of us (?) are clueless about the Jam...all the comments about them at YouTube/elsewhere seem to be something like "Criminally unknown in the US/outside the UK." So The Jam is just obviously one of those bands that just never made it to the US for whatever reason. Just like Status Quo and Slade (although Slade had one hit album in c. 1983, way after their "prime"). Last year, I remember from a biography of John Peel's life that I had read (not his autobiography which was released shortly after his death), that his personal "theme song" was something called "Teenage Kicks" (I think) by some band I'd never heard of. And also of course, this soccer song (that I am not sure I've even ever heard...despite having attended European soccer matches on occasion) "You'll Never Walk Alone" (by who?) and being struck that popularity between US and UK is not as homogenized as > one might have thought. > > Which now makes me wonder...who are the odd (No.) American superstar artists/bands that just have never caught on in the UK/Europe? Surely, there are some folks in the UK that have a favorite US/Canadian band that none of their peers know anything about, yeah? I would be interested to know who they might be...I can't think of any famous examples like the ones (in reverse) above. > > >I absolutely love Joy Division, but maybe its just a matter of taste. I don't like Prog, Procal harum etc... Doesn't mean its crap right? > > Well, I might argue that some music I like I would *agree* is crap. (Though not Procol Harum's first, which anyway is a lot more blues than prog.) It's possible to acknowledge its general crapness and still take to it anyway. None of us are perfect. :) I would be surprised if anyone here thought that 10,000 Maniacs wasn't crap, and I've been known to attend their concerts over many years. And as I've pointed out here on a number of occasions, I find it hard not to sincerely enjoy hearing Blondie's ode to disco "Heart of Glass" every time I have the chance. Sometimes, enjoyment of music can be a sickness. :) So if I ever publicly slander a band and anyone's fandom thereof, I guess it really can't be that personal, can it? Hopefully, I'll never grow that hypocritical. > > >Never cared much for Duran duran though. Oh well if you don't like the Jam, then thats fine too. > > After those four songs, I would say I'm kind of 'ho-hum' about them. Not Joy Division/Duran Duran bad, but nothing to write home about either. FWIW. > > Grakkl > > P.S. I also don't know "Candle in the Wind" which I only know is a famous song because of Diana's funeral. I'm not sure I've ever heard it. In Fall 1997, I was in the Himalayas and missed the whole Diana thing. Was that a popular song in the UK before Diana's death? Every hit song of Elton John I thought was big here too, but for every time it was played on the radio here (in the 70s and 80s), "Philadelphia Freedom" must have been heard 1,000 times I'm guessing. > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Dec 2 06:43:41 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:43:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <17415012.1165025061772.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On 02 Dec 2006, at 02:04, wrote: > Hi Carl, I see the influence, but how do you figure they are a > watered down version of the Who? I fail to see the comparison. I > think they compare to the Kinks more than the Who. Well, I wouldn't want a watered down version of the Kinks either! ;) Nah, I've got nothing against the Jam and Paul Weller -- like I say, I've got a mate who's a big fan. I've just never found them more than "all right". And have to avoid listening to the lyrics too hard, since I've got a limited tolerance for (and I know lots of people who disagree here) self-consciously miserable lyrics (don't even get me started on The Smiths or Morrisey! ;) But it's OK burbling along in the car or background at a party (Jam/Weller, that is, not The Smiths ;) since I have to draw the line somewhere :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 3 09:09:51 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock, Drool Trough, and Experimental Music Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com DECEMBER 3, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #165), Drool Trough Radio (show #53), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #46). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this past week: Mahamudra - Alcintara (New CD from this Space/Psych/Kraut/Prog Portuguese band) m.i. - Mensch Inaktiv (Jamming heavy Psych rock) Landing - Gravitational IV (LP only release. Spaced out atmospheric bliss) For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #165) ?resund Space Collective ? ?In Her Majesty?s Secret Saucer? (from It?s All About Delay) Modal Logic - "Global Greenhouse" (from upcoming Chemical Armageddon) Annot Rh?l - "Lost In The Woods" (from Lost In the Woods EP) Nifty Eagu & the Glo-Pilots ? ?Sabbath Blues? (from forthcoming Ezoteric) Earthling Society ? ?Dana? (from yet to be titled third album) Dark Sun ? ?Stow Away? (from Astral Visions II) m.i. ? ?session 1, track 1? (from Mensch Inaktiv) Warpsmasher ? ?Escape Velocity? (from Warpsmasher) Serpentina Satelite ? ?Pasamayo? (from Myspace.com site) Magnolia ? ?Magnolia? (from Magnolia) Coochie?s Bream ? ?Jam on Sesh? (from Myspace.com site) Drool Trough Radio (show #53) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Astrid Pr?ll ? Catastrofe (from Astrid Pr?ll) James Richard Oliver ? ?Flea Market? (from Cassette Culture Compilation Volume One) Garfields Birthday ? ?Jennifer? (from Cassette Culture Compilation Volume One) The Barbarellatones ? ?Boris Karloff? (from Interview with a Glampire) The Chuck Norris Experiment ? ?She Moves In Murderous Ways? (from Volume! Voltage!) The Booby Traps ? ?Ms. Fireball? (from The Booby Traps) Mink Jaguar ? ?Say You Do? (from Mink Jaguar) Spires That In The Sunset Rise ? ?Sea Shanty? (from This Is Fire) Larkin Grimm ? ?Rocky Top? (from The Last Tree) Lost World ? ?Trajectory 1? (from Trajectories) Astrophagus ? ?Pigeon Dust? (from Casualite) Stiff Donut ? ?I Egged Arnold Schwarzennegar? (from I Did It All For The Cookie) The Bad Hand ? ?Hell Bent? (from This is No Time for Modesty) Don Campau/Chris Phinney ? ?Cry Hail? (from The Black Ace) Dino DiMuro ? ?Mary Rosenberg Physical Therapy? (From The Ultimate Love Song Collection) MJB ? ?Velveeta Heartbreak? (from Velveeta Heartbreak) Murena ? ?Lo Stretto Camion? (from Important Exportant) Tron ? ?Somnutron? (from Tron Bloody Tron) Astrobleme ? ?Smile (When You Are Ready)? (from Breaking The Sound Barrier) Sybarite ? ?Cut Out Shape? (from Cut Out Shape) Terra Diablo ? ?My Heart Is In My Hands? (from Terra Diablo) Astro Al ? ?How Do You Dial 911? (from Exploding Plastic Indedible) Sol Invictus ? ?Somewhere in Europe? (from Sol Veritas Lux) JD Jackson ? ?Vampire Condaleeza? (from Shadow Road) Bob Crane ? ?King James? (from Telemonger) K. Page and Sleepwalker?s Parade ? ?Naked and Na?ve? (from Green City) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #46) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Jeff Kaiser & Tom McNalley ? ?Systematic Imbalance? (from Zugzwang) Phasmatodea ? ?Sedna in Retrograde? (from Pasmatodea web site) Onomata ? ?Symbols? (from Sparks From Water) Verde ? ?Triode Heptode Converter? (from Legenda) Curtis Glatter & Nathan Hubbard ? ?Mobile: Alabaster? (excerpt) (from Rivulet) Nathan Hubbard ? ?A Secret Noone Knows? (from Compositions 1998-2005) Zavoloka versus Kotra ? ?With It? (from To Kill The Tiny Groovy Cat EP) The Moglass ? ?Revisited With K.? (from Sparrow Juice) Thollem McDonas ? ?A Mind is Alive at the Moment it?s Awoken? (from Chasing the Sun) Thollem McDonas ? ?All Is In? (from Poor Stop Killing Poor) Nurse With Wound ? ?The Self Sufficient Sexual Shoe? (from Rock n Roll Station) http://Aural-Innovations.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Dec 2 15:30:13 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:30:13 +0000 Subject: HW:; 2007 Moorcock releases Message-ID: BOC-L quote unquote"" "There are a few other rare tracks by Michael Moorcock doing the rounds, would be great if Voiceprint could get them all released together as an official release." Quote unquote Don Falcone of Spirits Burning: "Feel free to pass on the following to anyone who might be interested on this list or elsewhere. Four tracks (and a brief guitar line) from the Gloriana and The Entropy Tango sessions were used for the upcoming Spirits Burning "Alien Injection" CD on Black Widow records. The tracks were restored and additional musicians were added to original performances by Mike and Pete Pavli, and Langdon Jones on one track. And, some additional news. The entirety of those sessions will be released in 2007 (six months after Alien Injection release) on Noh Poetry Records. Titled: Michael Moorcock and The Deep Fix "The Entropy Tango & Gloriana Sessions." Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Dec 3 14:00:05 2006 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:00:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Brand new/old bootleg? In-Reply-To: <151716.41482.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've seen the following in Borders Books and Music: It seems to be by the same folks who brought us "Tales of the Psychic Wars" Blue Oyster Cult - Alive in America (vol 1) - Track Listing: 1. Dr. Music 2. Burnin' For You 3. Fire Of Unknown Origin 4. Joan Crawford 5. Veteran of The Psychic Wars 6. Hot Rails To Hell 7. ME 262 8. Don't Fear The Reaper 9. Godzilla 10. Born To Be Wild 11. 5 Guitars 12. Roadhouse Blues Catalog Number: RMED00723 UPC Code: 630428072329 Original Release Date: 10/3/06 The CD: Live release features show in New York in 1981 on the 'Fire Of Unknown Origin Tour'. But I was SHOCKED to see the back cover stating the disc's produced by Buck and Eric. Is this legitimate?? or are they blowing smoke? Concerned citizen, Jason. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 3 17:45:50 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:45:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: ColourHaze tour (EU) In-Reply-To: <763161.69171.qm@web33214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 01:44:51PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > Just a note that the very cool, stoner rock/heavy psychedelic band > Colour Haze from Munich are touring around starting tomorrow, > including a couple dates in the UK. I would very much recommend > them for any fan of the heavier side of things...they sound quite a > bit like Los Natas if you've heard them. Plus, they're very nice > guys. Now Los Natas were a really good live experience when I saw them, so the comparison is hopeful :-) > Colour Haze > December - Europe Tour: > Mo. 4.12. - UK - Brighton, Hope + End Of Level Boss > Tue. 5.12. - UK - London, Underworld + End Of Level Boss http://www.theunderworldcamden.co.uk/ But dammit I can't make either of these damn gigs. And there is something to be said for not going that far out of my way to see End of Level Boss, who are kind of a sub-Hangnail who were kind of a sub-Orange Goblin... Once you're that far down the derivation chain, it's all kind of familiar. So... > Sat. 21.04.2007 - NL - Tilburg, 013 Popcentrum, Roadburn XII > www.roadburn.com ... I guess I'll catch them then, because bloody hell! have you seen this year's Roadburn line-up? Headliners alone are Neurosis (whom I'm not so bothered about myself, but, it's a name), the Melvins, Clutch and Guru Guru. Now what other festival would you get Neurosis, The Melvins and Guru Guru sharing top billing? I'm definitely going. Yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Spine of God_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Dec 4 08:39:17 2006 From: daveb10000 at NTLWORLD.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:39:17 -0000 Subject: OFF: PINKFAIRIES AT THE ROUNDHOUSE ON 22.1.07 Message-ID: FYI - this just in from the man himself:- Cheers Dave THAT'S RIGHT, THEY ARE BACK TOGETHER, FOR ONE SHOW ONLY ON 22ND JANUARY 07 SEE WEBSITES FOR DETAILS www.pinkfairies.co.uk and www.theroundhouse.org.uk From management at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Dec 4 11:10:28 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:10:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Magna Event Message-ID: Hello Folks! We will be announcing the programme for the Magna event later today. We would like as many people as possible to come dressed as androids or robots, as part of the theme is an android factory........The best costumes will be featured most heavily. If you don't fancy dressing as an android, a silver foundry worker theme would be good.......... silver/grey overalls and headgear like a welding mask (could be just a silver hood with a slit for the eyes) Anyway you get the picture lots of silver, grey and red and either spacey (a leisure area on a space station) or as robotic and industrial as possible! If you have already made your costume, don't worry, hopefully it is spacey and if not, we will try to work a way around it :-) If you don't fancy dressing up at all, could you at least bring a mask.......themed towards android factory worker or space alien, robot, or even just a silver clone :-) In order to get an accurate list of names of all of the people attending (for the DVD credit), could you please email us at admin at hawkwind.com using the header "Magna names" giving us your Hawkwind passport number and the names or nicknames of all of the people in your party..................any details about your costume would also be welcome :-) Thanks! More later today TTFN From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 4 16:13:50 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:13:50 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK arrives at Myspace.com Message-ID: Greetings friends, well after a long period of procrastination, SLOTERDIJK is slowly re-emerging. I've begun putting together a rudimentary myspace.com site for the band at: http://myspace.com/sloterdijk1 There isn't much there yet, but I hope to add some additional tunes in the coming days, as well as to upload a bunch of photos etc..Any of you that have myspace sites, I'd like to use the site for networking, so drop us a line...All the very best, Mike Burro From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Dec 4 16:07:25 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:07:25 +0000 Subject: BOC/Nazareth bootleg Message-ID: If any diehard BOC fans (or Nazareth fans!) want this CD I have it for trade... send me a list :) I have a large want list!!! Christian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From management at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Dec 4 17:01:56 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:01:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Magna approx program Message-ID: Hello Folks Still waiting for the exact shooting schedule from the video people so here are the approximate timings for the 18th. 2.00pm Doors open so audience can come in at their leisure......Don't worry if you cannot get there until later, we are just opening the doors early to give people the option :-) 2-00-5.00pm Filming various shots, soundcheck etc. (Please be patient as there may be a lot of hanging around when not much appears to be happening.) 5.00 - 7.00pm Dinner break..........please bring a picnic.............there is no food anywhere in the area!! 7.00 - 9.30pm More bits and pieces, concert and filming 9.30 - 10.00pm Finish Please note that these are only approximate timings and a definite time schedule will be posted as soon as we have it. TTFN From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 4 18:09:20 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:09:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <456EBE4F.4050809@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 11:19:43AM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > The bizarre thing in that online comparison was that Lemmy seems to have > lost points for being revealed as not a sensitive New Age guy in the > lyrics to "Jailbait", but then appeared to gain points for sleeping with > thousands of women. Go figure! On that score, this particular piece of quality journalism doesn't annoy me half as much as a column from years ago in FHM, which for the non-UK readers is quite possibly something you don't really have, a glossy magazine aimed at young adult males which mainly covers (or uncovers) supermodels, fast cars and designer lagers, as well as putting in occasional artciles about how to shave properly for the pubescent teens trying to learn adolescence who constitute a big part of their market... Anyway. They had a colum called the Bloke Test, where they put two icons of the carefree male lifestyle up against each other similarly to the Weller/Kilminster thing. They had Lemmy on one side, and on the other... Noddy Holder from Slade. Final scores were within a point of each other, but Lemmy lost, because to the question `what did your last girlfriend chuck you for?' he answered, "She never told me, but then they never do do they?" whereas Holder had answered something along the lines of "chuck me? *&!* that, I just got up and went mate", and FHM decided that was more deserving of their applause. Ah, British journalism at its socially responsible best.... > Carl, who has a kind of intellectual respect for the Jam's achievements, > though their musical appeal never really crossed the Atlantic to him. They had some good songs, and it's really quite hard to explain what happened to Weller after that, or at least it is to me. Yours, Jon ObCD: Inner City Unit - _Passout_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 5 06:52:14 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:52:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061204230920.GA18783@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 04/12/2006 23:09, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > They had some good songs, and it's really quite hard to explain > what happened to Weller after that, or at least it is to me. Maybe, like Clapton post-Cream/Blind Faith/Derek&the&Ds, he stopped taking the right drugs ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Tue Dec 5 10:09:32 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:09:32 +0800 Subject: HW:; 2007 Moorcock releases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian, thanks for the update on the Moorcock releases, I better start reeling off some more of my wish list in the hopes that some more of my wishes may come true! >"There are a few other rare tracks by Michael Moorcock doing the rounds, >would be great if Voiceprint could >get them all released together as an official release." > >Quote unquote Don Falcone of Spirits Burning: > > >"Feel free to pass on the following to anyone who might be interested on >this list or elsewhere. > >Four tracks (and a brief guitar line) from the Gloriana and The Entropy >Tango sessions were used for the upcoming Spirits Burning "Alien >Injection" CD on Black Widow records. The tracks were restored and >additional musicians were added to original performances by Mike and Pete >Pavli, and Langdon Jones on one track. > >And, some additional news. The entirety of those sessions will be released >in 2007 (six months after Alien Injection release) on Noh Poetry Records. >Titled: Michael Moorcock and The Deep Fix "The Entropy Tango & Gloriana >Sessions." > >Christian > From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Tue Dec 5 10:18:42 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:18:42 +0800 Subject: BOC: Brand new/old bootleg? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, yeah, it looks like the same old revamp of bootlegs "Godzilla", "The Thing", "Tales of the Psychic Wars" disc 1 and "Burnin' For You" - all bootlegs. There is a fairly comprehensive bootleg discography on the official BOC website. By the way, anyone know what happened to the next 4 BOC remaster CDs? Spectres and a few of the other titles are becoming quite scarce now, surely it must be time? At 05:00 AM 12/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I've seen the following in Borders Books and Music: > >It seems to be by the same folks who brought us "Tales of the Psychic Wars" > >Blue Oyster Cult - Alive in America (vol 1) - Track Listing: >1. Dr. Music >2. Burnin' For You >3. Fire Of Unknown Origin >4. Joan Crawford >5. Veteran of The Psychic Wars >6. Hot Rails To Hell >7. ME 262 >8. Don't Fear The Reaper >9. Godzilla >10. Born To Be Wild >11. 5 Guitars >12. Roadhouse Blues > >Catalog Number: RMED00723 >UPC Code: 630428072329 >Original Release Date: 10/3/06 > >The CD: Live release features show in New York in 1981 on the 'Fire >Of Unknown Origin Tour'. > >But I was SHOCKED to see the back cover stating the disc's produced >by Buck and Eric. > >Is this legitimate?? or are they blowing smoke? > >Concerned citizen, >Jason. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Dec 5 13:59:13 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:59:13 -0000 Subject: BOC: Brand new/old bootleg? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20061205231445.026b87c0@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: Some Enchanted Evening seems to have a set date for release, at least in the UK - 12 February 2007. Here are the release details which were posted on the bocfans.com site. I can't wait to get my hands on the DVD. About time that show was released. Bonus tracks on SEE too. Should be great. No news yet on Spectres though. Some Enchanted Evening is Blue ?yster Cult?s best selling live album and second best seller after another of the band?s classic releases, Agents Of Fortune. This Legacy Edition expands the original audio release to the 73-minute double-album length it was once planned to be and also includes a second disc, Some OTHER Enchanted Evening, a semi-bootleg DVD of concert footage shot on the same 1978 tour. What it lacks in perfection, it more than makes up in performance. Now you can go back in time and be there, witnessing the Cult do what they do best, dominate the live arena! Prepare to submit! CD 1. R.U. Ready 2 Rock 2. E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) 3. Astronomy 4. Kick Out The Jams 5. Godzilla 6. (Don?t Fear) The Reaper 7. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place BONUS TRACKS: 8. ME 262 9. Harvester Of Eyes 10. Hot Rails To Hell 11. (This Ain?t The) Summer Of Love 12. 5 Guitars 13. Born To Be Wild 14. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place (Alternate Version) DVD Some OTHER Enchanted Evening Recorded 1978 direct to ? inch video at The Capitol Center, Landover, MD Previously Unreleased Live Recording Live Mix by George Geranios 1. R.U. Ready 2 Rock 2. E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) 3. Harvester Of Eyes 4. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place 5. Golden Age Of Leather 6. Astronomy 7. ME 262 8. Kick Out The Jams 9. (This Ain?t The) Summer Of Love 10. 5 Guitars 11. Born To Be Wild Original Recordings Produced by Sandy Pearlman, Murray Krugman, Blue ?yster Cult Produced for Reissue by Bruce Dickinson Mastered by Vic Anesini at Sony Music Studios, New York -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ian Jeffcock Sent: 05 December 2006 15:19 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: Brand new/old bootleg? Hi, yeah, it looks like the same old revamp of bootlegs "Godzilla", "The Thing", "Tales of the Psychic Wars" disc 1 and "Burnin' For You" - all bootlegs. There is a fairly comprehensive bootleg discography on the official BOC website. By the way, anyone know what happened to the next 4 BOC remaster CDs? Spectres and a few of the other titles are becoming quite scarce now, surely it must be time? At 05:00 AM 12/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I've seen the following in Borders Books and Music: > >It seems to be by the same folks who brought us "Tales of the Psychic Wars" > >Blue Oyster Cult - Alive in America (vol 1) - Track Listing: >1. Dr. Music >2. Burnin' For You >3. Fire Of Unknown Origin >4. Joan Crawford >5. Veteran of The Psychic Wars >6. Hot Rails To Hell >7. ME 262 >8. Don't Fear The Reaper >9. Godzilla >10. Born To Be Wild >11. 5 Guitars >12. Roadhouse Blues > >Catalog Number: RMED00723 >UPC Code: 630428072329 >Original Release Date: 10/3/06 > >The CD: Live release features show in New York in 1981 on the 'Fire >Of Unknown Origin Tour'. > >But I was SHOCKED to see the back cover stating the disc's produced >by Buck and Eric. > >Is this legitimate?? or are they blowing smoke? > >Concerned citizen, >Jason. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Dec 5 14:01:44 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:01:44 -0000 Subject: Some Enchanted Evening release date and details In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20061205231445.026b87c0@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: I have this from what seems to be a good source over on the bocfans site. I already posted it in reply to an earlier question but thought it should have its own thread. Some Enchanted Evening CD + DVD (bonus tracks) UK release date: 12 February 2007 Some Enchanted Evening is Blue ?yster Cult?s best selling live album and second best seller after another of the band?s classic releases, Agents Of Fortune. This Legacy Edition expands the original audio release to the 73-minute double-album length it was once planned to be and also includes a second disc, Some OTHER Enchanted Evening, a semi-bootleg DVD of concert footage shot on the same 1978 tour. What it lacks in perfection, it more than makes up in performance. Now you can go back in time and be there, witnessing the Cult do what they do best, dominate the live arena! Prepare to submit! CD 1. R.U. Ready 2 Rock 2. E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) 3. Astronomy 4. Kick Out The Jams 5. Godzilla 6. (Don?t Fear) The Reaper 7. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place BONUS TRACKS: 8. ME 262 9. Harvester Of Eyes 10. Hot Rails To Hell 11. (This Ain?t The) Summer Of Love 12. 5 Guitars 13. Born To Be Wild 14. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place (Alternate Version) DVD Some OTHER Enchanted Evening Recorded 1978 direct to ? inch video at The Capitol Center, Landover, MD Previously Unreleased Live Recording Live Mix by George Geranios 1. R.U. Ready 2 Rock 2. E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) 3. Harvester Of Eyes 4. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place 5. Golden Age Of Leather 6. Astronomy 7. ME 262 8. Kick Out The Jams 9. (This Ain?t The) Summer Of Love 10. 5 Guitars 11. Born To Be Wild Original Recordings Produced by Sandy Pearlman, Murray Krugman, Blue ?yster Cult Produced for Reissue by Bruce Dickinson Mastered by Vic Anesini at Sony Music Studios, New York From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 5 14:28:18 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:28:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <70254.84420.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:39:26PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > P.P.S. So, is The Jam/Paul Weller "80s" dreck, or not? 1977 is not > the worst year to have been "born"...so it could go either way. I'm > a fan of the Police and Talking Heads, after all. Just reading that gave me Police tunes in the head, which goes to show their power :-) I was reflecting the other day on one of the rare occasions that I've spun the Lloyd Langton Group's _Like An Arrow_ on how much the first song on that sounds like an attempt to sound like The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it pretty much the other way round... > P.P.P.S. Sunn O))) is realllly bad, too. Why does anybody like > this nonsense? When are they going to stop tuning their guitars, > warming up their amplifiers, and play some actual f*cking music? Come on Keith, you could say the same about Tangerine Dream or any number of Krautrock or improv. bands :-) I take Sunn 0))) (now just Sunn, I believe) as atmospheric noiserather than music. That said, it's only with the second album and collaborations with Merzbow that it became something I wanted to listen to more than once. I gather their stage show is sillily dramatic, Satanic costumes and so on, which given how little they actually *do* seems somehow out of kilter. But I have not seen this, and I don't think I'm likely to leap at the chance somehow. They're not very exciting to me, but I think there is a point to it all just the same. Yours, Jon ObCD: Clutch - _Blast Tyrant_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 5 17:49:05 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:49:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <151716.41482.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 04:20:07PM -0800, Keith Henderson typed out: > Anyway, it's all been quite educational, thank you. And to AndyG > and the rest of you who wonder how some of us (?) are clueless about > the Jam...all the comments about them at YouTube/elsewhere seem to be > something like "Criminally unknown in the US/outside the UK." So The > Jam is just obviously one of those bands that just never made it to > the US for whatever reason. Just like Status Quo and Slade (although > Slade had one hit album in c. 1983, way after their "prime"). Last > year, I remember from a biography of John Peel's life that I had read > (not his autobiography which was released shortly after his death), > that his personal "theme song" was something called "Teenage Kicks" > (I think) by some band I'd never heard of. And also of course, this > soccer song (that I am not sure I've even ever heard...despite having > attended European soccer matches on occasion) "You'll Never Walk > Alone" (by who?) and being struck that popularity between US and UK > is not as homogenized as one might have thought. Ooh, I bet you have heard `You'll Never Walk Alone' you know. Have you got a copy of Pink Floyd's _Meddle_? If you dig it out, and put `Fearless' on, it's right there at the end, sung by some football crowd or other and properly credited to Rodgers and Hammerstein :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Starfield - _Return to Earth_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 5 18:14:32 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:14:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: PINKFAIRIES AT THE ROUNDHOUSE ON 22.1.07 In-Reply-To: <000501c717a9$9a8be600$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 01:39:17PM -0000, Dave Bottomley typed out: > THAT'S RIGHT, THEY ARE BACK TOGETHER, FOR ONE SHOW ONLY ON 22ND JANUARY 07 > > SEE WEBSITES FOR DETAILS > > www.pinkfairies.co.uk and > www.theroundhouse.org.uk That last should be , otherwise you wind up at the site of a community partneship in Barnsley :-) But with that proviso, er, wow! I wonder how awful this can possibly be... It's got to be seen of course, though. Yours, Jon ObCD: Starfield - _Return to Earth_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 5 18:54:16 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:54:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061205224905.GC12483@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 05 Dec 2006, at 22:49, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Ooh, I bet you have heard `You'll Never Walk Alone' you know. I've heard Eddie, the shipboard computer, singing it on the Hitchhike's radio show :) But (perhaps thankfully) nowhere else! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 5 18:59:33 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:59:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061205192817.GH18783@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 05 Dec 2006, at 19:28, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Just reading that gave me Police tunes in the head, which goes > to show their power :-) Considering the bland, middle-of-the-roadness that Sing went on to commit, the Police weren't half bad! > I was reflecting the other day on one of the > rare occasions that I've spun the Lloyd Langton Group's _Like An > Arrow_ > on how much the first song on that sounds like an attempt to sound > like > The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm > section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it pretty > much > the other way round... Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he actually is. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Dec 5 19:04:23 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:04:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <9C276584-918C-4A17-B526-CC91BE98EC9F@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 05 Dec 2006, at 23:59, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > middle-of-the-roadness that Sing went on to commit ^^^^ Erm, "Sting". Darned sticky keyboard .... ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Dec 6 04:43:00 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:43:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <9C276584-918C-4A17-B526-CC91BE98EC9F@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Not Half bad, come on, they were bloody excellent. All three of them outstanding musicians. Iain > Considering the bland, middle-of-the-roadness that Sing went on to > commit, the Police weren't half bad! > > > I was reflecting the other day on one of the > > rare occasions that I've spun the Lloyd Langton Group's _Like An > > Arrow_ > > on how much the first song on that sounds like an attempt to sound > > like > > The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm > > section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it pretty > > much > > the other way round... > > Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in > Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he > actually is. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 6 05:58:23 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:58:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <457690A4.2010301@aol.com> Message-ID: On 06/12/2006 09:43, iain ferguson wrote: > come on, they were bloody excellent. I think I was the wrong age at the time. Occasionally I catch a song now and think "That's cool", not realizing until later it was the Police. Well, when I was a teen, I didn't know who'd played "Don't Fear the Reaper", either ... ;) > All three of them outstanding musicians. You may be right -- I only tend to get reminded of this when I hear them again anew and afresh (if that's a word), like with Copeland in Oysterhead. I still think Sting has gone a bit bland (I will quietly admit to liking some of his early solo songs, though I only heard them 'cause my sister had the LPs ;) but now that I think of it, I'm not sure I've heard any of Andy Summers's solo stuff. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 6 06:34:08 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:34:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: <45701D3C.5030206@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:17:00PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > I think I would have liked it -- and I think I'm more bummed to have > missed Clutch (only seen 'em once) than Motorhead (seen 'em a bunch of > time, though "too much is never enough", natch!). I can only point out that they, like myself and Scott "Dr Space" Heller will be at the Roadburn Festival in Tilburg in April :-) > Should I feel obliged to note that the latest album is _Kiss of Death_? > Inferno is _so_ 2004, man! ;) I stand suitably corrected! Perhaps that's why I couldn't find a copy of _Inferno_ anywhere in this hick town... > I suppose it would churlish of me to think they ought to have played > "Beer Drinkers and Hell-raisers" at this point :) I did wonder, for a moment... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Dec 6 07:17:44 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:17:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061206113407.GB3923@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 06/12/2006 11:34, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:17:00PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: >> I think I would have liked it -- and I think I'm more bummed to have >> missed Clutch (only seen 'em once) than Motorhead (seen 'em a bunch of >> time, though "too much is never enough", natch!). > > I can only point out that they, like myself and Scott "Dr Space" > Heller will be at the Roadburn Festival in Tilburg in April :-) Yeah ... but I strongly suspect I won't :P Ah well! >> Should I feel obliged to note that the latest album is _Kiss of Death_? >> Inferno is _so_ 2004, man! ;) > > I stand suitably corrected! Perhaps that's why I couldn't find a > copy of _Inferno_ anywhere in this hick town... The magic of Amazon.co.uk brings the +DVD version to your door for no worse than 15 quid. That seems a bit steep, though I gather the accompanying DVD is actually pretty cool. Cheaper versions of the album can be had for 7ish quid, though :) >> I suppose it would churlish of me to think they ought to have played >> "Beer Drinkers and Hell-raisers" at this point :) > > I did wonder, for a moment... Bizarrely, I was playing some naff trivia game the other night which had a question about the Beer Drinkers EP! I hadn't known it had been released on "vomit-coloured vinyl" (having been 8 or 9 at the time ;) but, you know, I was able to guess which band had done that ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Dec 6 08:16:48 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:16:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <4576A24F.2090702@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy : :On 06/12/2006 09:43, iain ferguson wrote: :> come on, they were bloody excellent. : :I think I was the wrong age at the time. Occasionally I catch a song now and :think "That's cool", not realizing until later it was the Police. : :Well, when I was a teen, I didn't know who'd played "Don't Fear the Reaper", :either ... ;) : :> All three of them outstanding musicians. : :You may be right -- I only tend to get reminded of this when I hear them again :anew and afresh (if that's a word), like with Copeland in Oysterhead. I still :think Sting has gone a bit bland (I will quietly admit to liking some of his :early solo songs, though I only heard them 'cause my sister had the LPs ;) but :now that I think of it, I'm not sure I've heard any of Andy Summers's solo :stuff. I've liked Andy Summers's stuff with Robert Fripp, but that's all of his solo stuff that I've heard. Arin (occasionally a Crim fan) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Wed Dec 6 08:27:25 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:27:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I owned at one time a couple of Andy Summer's solo cassettes, but found them to be too much new-agey guitar noodling to my taste. I think if one listened to them without knowing who he was, you'd never guess that he was guitarist for the Police. tim 8>)... On 12/6/06, Arin Komins wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > : > :> All three of them outstanding musicians. > : > :You may be right -- I only tend to get reminded of this when I hear them > again > :anew and afresh (if that's a word), like with Copeland in Oysterhead. I > still > :think Sting has gone a bit bland (I will quietly admit to liking some of > his > :early solo songs, though I only heard them 'cause my sister had the LPs > ;) but > :now that I think of it, I'm not sure I've heard any of Andy Summers's > solo > :stuff. > > I've liked Andy Summers's stuff with Robert Fripp, but that's all of his > solo stuff that I've heard. > > Arin > (occasionally a Crim fan) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Dec 6 08:30:59 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:30:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Arin Komins : > I've liked Andy Summers's stuff with Robert Fripp, but that's all of his > solo stuff that I've heard. How did I kow you were going to say that? ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Wed Dec 6 03:08:23 2006 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:08:23 -0700 Subject: Some Enchanted Evening release date and details Message-ID: >>>Some Enchanted Evening CD + DVD (bonus tracks) I've got my wallet out and ready to go. I want this! BOC was great on this tour. At the time, I was still not sold on Spectres, but after seeing them play these songs live, I was all over it. Too bad Nosferatu did not make it on this. I remember that being totally awesome live. No live Going Through the Motions? :) This almost makes me feel like a kid again! Back to being old, One of the Brads in Utah From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Wed Dec 6 10:36:46 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:36:46 +0800 Subject: Some Enchanted Evening release date and details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Totally awesome, can't wait for this release. Some Enchanted Evening has always been one of my favourites and to get all these extra bonuses, its going to be truly superb! At 05:00 AM 12/6/2006 -0500, you wrote: >This Legacy Edition expands the original audio release to the >73-minute double-album length it was once planned to be and also includes a >second disc, Some OTHER Enchanted Evening From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Dec 6 10:37:18 2006 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:37:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061205192817.GH18783@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 07:28:18PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm > section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it pretty much > the other way round... Andy Sommers is an indifferent guitarist? The range of opinions on this group never ceases to amaze. ;-) Steve From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Wed Dec 6 10:43:53 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:43:53 +0800 Subject: Remastered Robert Calvert classics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Something else to look forward to (and start saving up for). ROBERT CALVERT: CAPTAIN LOCKHEED & THE STARFIGHTERS (Remastered/3 Bonus Tracks) ROBERT CALVERT: LUCKY LIEF & THE LONGSHIPS (Remastered/2 Bonus Tracks) Now I seem to remember that Lucky Lief BGO vinyl and CD were somehow different to the original vinyl release. I think there was an echo missing on the 3rd or 4th track, haven't played my original vinyl in years, so difficult to remember. Hope they've sorted it out for this release... From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Wed Dec 6 10:52:01 2006 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:52:01 +0800 Subject: Nik Turner's Sphynx: Xitintoday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Something else of interest and to look forward to. I saw on Tower Records Japan that there is to be a Japan Mini LP CD release of this. I was in Tokyo last week, but didn't see any trace of it, here is the link, release date given is 2006/11/23... Believe that the UK release is going to show up early next year... http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=997520&GOODS_SORT_CD=101 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 6 10:56:14 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:56:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 08:24:04AM -0500, Ted Jackson typed out: > > >>> jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK 12/1/2006 6:49 AM >>> > > They mainly changed during the drum solo, because firstly Mikkey > > Dee may not actually be the best drummer in the world as Lemmy claims, > > but I've only seen one who could beat him in a showing-off contest, > > and that was Carl Palmer and that contains the danger that the showing-off > > might be during `Karn Evil 9', which strikes me as a price not worth > > paying... > > Hmm...There's a pretty decent drummer on this very forum > you might want to give a listen to. I don't know that he's into > the showing-off thing, but I've never heard either Carl Palmer > or Mickey Dee do anything beat-wise, actually contributing to > a song that compares to his work on the first 3 albums... Well, no, I see your point :-) It would be interesting to know what Motorhead would be like with Al on drums, though actually _Denial of Death_ sounds pretty close to what you might imagine it to be. But I've seen Al once, and his soloes were tastefully modest compared to those two's showboating, even if his actual drumming during songs was much more musical. I was mainly comparing showboating :-) Yours, Jon (who still thinks the Stalk Forrest Group album is best explained as an extended jam by Buck and Al with the others mainly backing) -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 6 08:53:23 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:53:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 Message-ID: ----- Kiss of Death is pretty good, but then again so was Inferno :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 12:34:08 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:17:00PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > I think I would have liked it -- and I think I'm more bummed to have > missed Clutch (only seen 'em once) than Motorhead (seen 'em a bunch of > time, though "too much is never enough", natch!). I can only point out that they, like myself and Scott "Dr Space" Heller will be at the Roadburn Festival in Tilburg in April :-) > Should I feel obliged to note that the latest album is _Kiss of Death_? > Inferno is _so_ 2004, man! ;) I stand suitably corrected! Perhaps that's why I couldn't find a copy of _Inferno_ anywhere in this hick town... > I suppose it would churlish of me to think they ought to have played > "Beer Drinkers and Hell-raisers" at this point :) I did wonder, for a moment... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 6 08:57:12 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:57:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Whats Oysterhead?? Like Blue Oyster Cult and Motorhead??? Like with The Oyster Band & The Cult...? Christian :I think I was the wrong age at the time. Occasionally I catch a song now and :think "That's cool", not realizing until later it was the Police. : :Well, when I was a teen, I didn't know who'd played "Don't Fear the Reaper", :either ... ;) : :> All three of them outstanding musicians. : :You may be right -- I only tend to get reminded of this when I hear them again :anew and afresh (if that's a word), like with Copeland in Oysterhead. I still :think Sting has gone a bit bland (I will quietly admit to liking some of his :early solo songs, though I only heard them 'cause my sister had the LPs ;) but :now that I think of it, I'm not sure I've heard any of Andy Summers's solo :stuff. I've liked Andy Summers's stuff with Robert Fripp, but that's all of his solo stuff that I've heard. Arin (occasionally a Crim fan) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 6 13:17:19 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:17:19 +0000 Subject: ON/OFF: AntiSynthers: Synth IS Satan! Message-ID: Doesen't most people on this list agree that synths and rock should be together (like assuming most peopel on this list like HW or BOC!), that most rockers who dismiss synths are stuck in the 1950's (just ask Lemmy...), hopeless romantics really... isnt it better for the future of music (and all rock culture) to see a band like Hawkwind marching on in the face of lame punk rock that you hear these days (I only like punk rock that isn't lame!!!), and though I do agree that black metal works best without synths, for example the suckyness of Dimmu Borgir's synth-phonie drivel vs. the genius of Burzum which/who produced some great synth music too, its like the kind of people who don't like SF will never understand the futurist or metaphysical thinking that some people live their lives as angels of sorts understanding, which is no longer limited to maniac LSD trippers and comic book fandom etc ;-) Its something that dumb american comedy films can never compare with in the dullness of non-SF inclined people , where is the romanticism of only worshipping heavy rock and satan for example, when Satan is your synthesizer!!! Its not lame; it is the future..... And it is The New Age, which frankly, doesen't include Everyone, though so good riddance to the narrow minded rocker neanderthals that wander around in their sleep as so called humans these days!!! Now I need to calm down and learn to use a synthesizer, nyak nyak nyak!!! Christian NP: Ozric Tentacles - Spice Doubt Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Dec 6 17:28:32 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:28:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 Message-ID: b*#@?r me, you type far too quickly......................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 ----- Kiss of Death is pretty good, but then again so was Inferno :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 12:34:08 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:17:00PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > I think I would have liked it -- and I think I'm more bummed to have > missed Clutch (only seen 'em once) than Motorhead (seen 'em a bunch of > time, though "too much is never enough", natch!). I can only point out that they, like myself and Scott "Dr Space" Heller will be at the Roadburn Festival in Tilburg in April :-) > Should I feel obliged to note that the latest album is _Kiss of Death_? > Inferno is _so_ 2004, man! ;) I stand suitably corrected! Perhaps that's why I couldn't find a copy of _Inferno_ anywhere in this hick town... > I suppose it would churlish of me to think they ought to have played > "Beer Drinkers and Hell-raisers" at this point :) I did wonder, for a moment... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.13/577 - Release Date: 06/12/2006 16:39 From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Dec 6 21:01:43 2006 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:01:43 -0600 Subject: Remastered Robert Calvert classics In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20061206233737.02936e18@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: Ian Jeffcock wrote: > Something else to look forward to (and start saving up for). > > ROBERT CALVERT: CAPTAIN LOCKHEED & THE STARFIGHTERS (Remastered/3 > Bonus Tracks) > ROBERT CALVERT: LUCKY LIEF & THE LONGSHIPS (Remastered/2 Bonus Tracks) > > Now I seem to remember that Lucky Lief BGO vinyl and CD were somehow > different to the original vinyl release. > I think there was an echo missing on the 3rd or 4th track, haven't > played my original vinyl in years, so difficult to remember. > Hope they've sorted it out for this release... > The BGO CD has a dodgy alternate version of 'Making of Midgard', the original LP has a much better version. Rich From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Dec 7 04:58:39 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:58:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061206135712.82124.qmail@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 06/12/2006 13:57, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > Whats Oysterhead?? Like Blue Oyster Cult and Motorhead??? Like with The Oyster Band & The Cult...? Trey Anastasio, Les Claypool, and Stewart Copeland: http://www.oysterhead.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oysterhead A kind of "for the heck of it" supergroup, which got together for an album and tour around 2001, then reunited for a gig at Bonnaroo this past summer. It's unclear whether the individual members will be un-busy enough to do anything more in the future. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Dec 7 05:00:49 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:00:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead & Clutch @ Cambridge Corn Exchange, 16 November 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061206155614.GC3923@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 06/12/2006 15:56, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Well, no, I see your point :-) It would be interesting to know > what Motorhead would be like with Al on drums, though actually _Denial > of Death_ sounds pretty close to what you might imagine it to be. When "1864" first popped up for play on my iPod, I thought it _was_ a Motorhead track :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 7 08:35:58 2006 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:35:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061206153718.GB16547@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Wasn't there a rumour concerning Copeland recording a bunch of Sommer's guitar solos 'cos he couldn't reproduce them satisfactorily in the studio? I just checked the Wikipedia entry, 'cos that's where I'd expect to find such gossip, but it's not mentioed. Did anyone else ever hear this rumour? Chris On 12/6/06, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Andy Sommers is an indifferent guitarist? The range of > opinions on this group never ceases to amaze. ;-) > > Steve > From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Dec 7 09:08:14 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:08:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: >>> mysterioso at GMAIL.COM 12/7/2006 8:35 AM >>> Wasn't there a rumour concerning Copeland recording a bunch of Sommer's guitar solos 'cos he couldn't reproduce them satisfactorily in the studio? I just checked the Wikipedia entry, 'cos that's where I'd expect to find such gossip, but it's not mentioed. Did anyone else ever hear this rumour? If anything, a guitarist would have trouble reproducing LIVE what he did in the studio using multiple takes. Think about it. Does anyone think Fripp would choose to play with a guy who can't cut it at a recording session? Andy Summers is an extremely talented musician, whether you like what he plays or not. I doubt he was the weak link in the Police... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 7 10:02:34 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:02:34 GMT Subject: WARNING: Space Rock! Message-ID: www.spaceguarduk.com/news.htm Short form: An Earthbuster sized rock called "Apophis" (how Stargate is *that*?) will squeak by the Earth on Friday 13th April 2029 at a distance of 20,000 miles. It sounds a lot but it's lower than TV sats and in astronomical terms that's like being missed by a truck that leaves paint flecks on your nose. It'll even be naked-eye visible as it passes - an extremely rare event in itself. As it turns out though, we don't get to whistle and return to regular programming. Seems that there's a spot about twice the size of Apophis in the Earth locale, and if Apophis threads the cosmic needle by passing through it, and gets affected just so by the Earth-Moon gravity then exactly seven years later, it'll be back to ruin our whole day. What's interesting is that we don't know whether it will hit that spot, and it'd take a great deal more calculation to narrow down where it will go, though due to sundry small effects, it will be hard to be sure. Luckily it'd be a lot easier to make it miss that spot than to make it miss the Earth - a small "gravity tractor" would suffice. The trouble is that unless we get better info on its trajectory, we might as easily be moving it onto the target as off it. Ironically it'd cost about a quarter of a billion to get a transponder and gravity tractor out there, and that's just about what it cost to make the movie "Armageddon". On the face of it though, we're more likely to make "Armageddon II" than we are to get some machinery out there to perhaps achieve the real thing. FoFP P.S: If you want the date of the Biblical Flood, the From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Dec 7 10:12:17 2006 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:12:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Ted Jackson : > >>> mysterioso at GMAIL.COM 12/7/2006 8:35 AM >>> > Wasn't there a rumour concerning Copeland recording a bunch of > Sommer's > guitar solos 'cos he couldn't reproduce them satisfactorily in the > studio? > I just checked the Wikipedia entry, 'cos that's where I'd expect to > find > such gossip, but it's not mentioed. Did anyone else ever hear this > rumour? > > > > If anything, a guitarist would have trouble > reproducing LIVE what he did in the studio > using multiple takes. > > Think about it. Does anyone think Fripp > would choose to play with a guy who > can't cut it at a recording session? Though if anything, he holds people's performing abilities (and this is not just a matter of how well one can play; it encompases a much larger set of things) to even higher standards. Trust me, I know. :-) Though when going to record some of the various League of Crafty Guitarists studio albums, you had to sit and play your part for each song you were to play on, solo to the entire group, perfectly before you were allowed to play on the recording. Imagine what that must be like... You haven't lived as a musician until you have had Robert Fripp standing/sitting right in front of you while you try to play something. Suddenly, the C Major scale becomes more like Paganin's Moto Perpetuo... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8J0MHoslU -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Dec 6 20:33:43 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 01:33:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Lair of the white Chrome Message-ID: Up all nite watching "Lair Of The White Worm" and the new Chrome/Helios DVD.... wot a great way to avoid sleep!!!!! Lair of TWW is really good BTW for those who havent been initiated... Its about time Chrome were captured in DVD form. I wonder if the ICU Dingwalls 86 VHS has been transfered to DVD... anyone??? Christian ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM Thu Dec 7 10:14:52 2006 From: heathcliff13 at GMAIL.COM (tim elliott) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: WARNING: Space Rock! In-Reply-To: <200612071502.kB7F2Yf9009185@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, by then I'll be 83, so that may be a cool way to go anyway...better than getting Alzheimer's and dying have forgotten everything & everyone I loved... tim 8>)... On 12/7/06, M Holmes wrote: > > www.spaceguarduk.com/news.htm > > Short form: > > An Earthbuster sized rock called "Apophis" (how Stargate is *that*?) > will squeak by the Earth on Friday 13th April 2029 at a distance of > 20,000 miles. It sounds a lot but it's lower than TV sats and in > astronomical terms that's like being missed by a truck that leaves paint > flecks on your nose. It'll even be naked-eye visible as it passes - an > extremely rare event in itself. > > As it turns out though, we don't get to whistle and return to regular > programming. Seems that there's a spot about twice the size of Apophis > in the Earth locale, and if Apophis threads the cosmic needle by passing > through it, and gets affected just so by the Earth-Moon gravity then > exactly seven years later, it'll be back to ruin our whole day. > > What's interesting is that we don't know whether it will hit that spot, > and it'd take a great deal more calculation to narrow down where it will > go, though due to sundry small effects, it will be hard to be sure. > Luckily it'd be a lot easier to make it miss that spot than to make it > miss the Earth - a small "gravity tractor" would suffice. The trouble > is that unless we get better info on its trajectory, we might as easily > be moving it onto the target as off it. Ironically it'd cost about a > quarter of a billion to get a transponder and gravity tractor out there, > and that's just about what it cost to make the movie "Armageddon". > > On the face of it though, we're more likely to make "Armageddon II" than > we are to get some machinery out there to perhaps achieve the real > thing. > > FoFP > > P.S: If you want the date of the Biblical Flood, the > -- tim 8>)... http://heathcliff13.blogspot.com From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Dec 7 10:24:43 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:24:43 -0500 Subject: WARNING: Space Rock! Message-ID: >>> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK 12/7/2006 10:02 AM >>> www.spaceguarduk.com/news.htm Short form: An Earthbuster sized rock called "Apophis" (how Stargate is *that*?) will squeak by the Earth on Friday 13th Hmm...anyone besides me superstitious? Sounds like a put-on... theo From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Thu Dec 7 10:53:44 2006 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:53:44 -0700 Subject: WARNING: Space Rock! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not a put on, but maybe not QUITE as bad as www.spaceguarduk.com would have it: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/a99942.html Guido Ted Jackson wrote: >>>> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK 12/7/2006 10:02 AM >>> >>>> > www.spaceguarduk.com/news.htm > > Short form: > > An Earthbuster sized rock called "Apophis" (how Stargate is *that*?) > will squeak by the Earth on Friday 13th > > > Hmm...anyone besides me superstitious? Sounds like > a put-on... > > > theo > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Dec 7 15:11:14 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:11:14 -0600 Subject: HW: name dropped in Ansible Message-ID: >From the latest Ansible: " _Mike Moorcock_ mourns: `I was very sad to hear of Ron Bennett's death. We'd been out of touch for a while and I'd begun to worry about him. Another lesson about enjoying your friends while you have the chance. Ron was one of a couple of people who first introduced me to fandom after I'd begun publishing Burroughsiana, not knowing that I wasn't an individual but part of the zeitgeist. His patience, humour and kindness, as well as his contributions to my fanzines and, eventually, prozines, made life better for me in many ways. My mother was also very fond of him, as was Linda. I remember visiting him at the NATO base in Belgium when he was still "Captain Bennett", teaching the children of the base. I was in full Hawkwind-style finery and travelling with my friend Jon Trux, whose hair was about eight feet longer than mine. Ron came to meet us, treated us with considerable courtesy and grace in spite of a few odd looks from the uniformed chaps at the gate. He later came to visit us in Yorkshire, with his wife and little girl. As his friends know, he bore a great deal of tragedy in recent years. The company of his son, who also helped run his comics business, was a great comfort. He was a witty, erudite man and I shall miss him. / I was also sorry to see that Philip Strick died. Another man whose erudition brightened my life.' " So ....Hawkwind style finery? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 8 09:59:07 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:59:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <9C276584-918C-4A17-B526-CC91BE98EC9F@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:59:33PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in > Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he > actually is. Hmm, given that if it weren't for his penchant for lawsuits we'd have a touring line-up of The Doors, I think `unreasonable' might be a better word for him... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 8 11:59:00 2006 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:59:00 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061208145907.GH3923@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: John Densmore is the lawsuit issuing drummer I think you're referring to. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:59:33PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in > Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he > actually is. Hmm, given that if it weren't for his penchant for lawsuits we'd have a touring line-up of The Doors, I think `unreasonable' might be a better word for him... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Dec 8 13:56:42 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:56:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: gary shindler wrote: > John Densmore is the lawsuit issuing drummer I think you're referring to. > Both Densmore and, later, Copeland actually. Ian Astbury fan with or without The Doors, Brian > Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:59:33PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > > Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in > > Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he > > actually is. > > Hmm, given that if it weren't for his penchant for lawsuits we'd > have a touring line-up of The Doors, I think `unreasonable' might be a > better word for him... Yours, > Jon > > -- > "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" > (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) > Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From davelaw at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Dec 8 14:54:10 2006 From: davelaw at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:54:10 -0500 Subject: Hawkfest MYspace Page Message-ID: Hi all Just letting you know that we've just launched the official Hawkfest 2007 Myspace page, that can be found at - http://www.myspace.com/hawkfest2007 Whilst very much in it's infancy at the moment the intention is that this page will grow and develop as and when announcements regarding hawkfest are made, however there are already a couple of major announcements on there that you need to read (especially if you're a budding artist of musician !) Enjoy All the best Dave (Hawkwind and Hawkfest Myspace admin) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Dec 9 07:38:46 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:38:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <200612081856.kB8Iug6S012553@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Copeland was going to drum with a reconstituted Doors? (Well, if so, demi-reconstituted Doors ....) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Dec 8 12:32:36 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:32:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: PS: its cool that Ian Astbury (The Cult) Densmore, The Doors drummer?? PS: its cool that Ian Astbury (The Cult) has taken over for The dead Jimbo in Riders On The Storm, the Doors revival band, with Manzarek and Krieger... after all, I was Jim Morrison in the last life, and so on.... John Densmore is the lawsuit issuing drummer I think you're referring to. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:59:33PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > Ah, yes, I quite liked hearing Stewart Copeland once again in > Oysterhead. Reminded me of what a quite reasonable drummer he > actually is. Hmm, given that if it weren't for his penchant for lawsuits we'd have a touring line-up of The Doors, I think `unreasonable' might be a better word for him... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From management at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Dec 9 08:24:22 2006 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 13:24:22 -0000 Subject: HW:Astoria support acts Message-ID: Support Acts for Xmas Show The support acts for the Hawkwind Xmas/solstice party show at the London Astoria on 20th December will be Bruise http://www.myspace.com/bruiseuk followed by Huw Lloyd Langton. Hope to see you all there! From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Dec 10 08:39:39 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:39:39 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Lo Finest Radio Show + New Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com DECEMBER 10, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOW + MAIL ORDER NEWS I've just uploaded a new show from Lo Finest (show #7). See the playlist below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this past week: Purple Overdose - A Trip to Purpleland (2-CD & 2-LP editions) Void Forum (Vibravoid) - Turned on Acid (Vibravoid early years and bands) Plus by demand restocks on the following: Vibravoid - Triptamine (LP) Sula Bassana and the Nasoni Pop Art Experimental Band (CD) Weltraumstaunen - Weltraumwelt (CD) For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store Lo Finest show #7: "Cleaning Up" Special Lo Finest is a program dedicated to the appreciation of homemade recordings that were made and distributed on cassette tapes during the 1980s and 90s, hosted by veteran home recording artist Charles Rice Goff III. Thousands of sonic artists were cranking out cassettes all over the world during the 80s and 90s. The whole cassette explosion took place long before people had home computers, the internet, email, mp3s, and all that. People found out about hometapers by reading various publications that offered reviews of tapes, by listening to those rare radio broadcasts that would feature home tapes, by sending a letter to a contact address that had been printed on one of the many compilation cassettes that were created and distributed during this period, etc. Most hometapers were not approaching their craft as a means to achieving economic success, and this allowed for some incredibly free thinking endeavors to be realized. Trading tapes was common, offering a sort of sonic cultural exchange that had never really been possible before the age of inexpensive home recording technology. All pieces in this show were originally released on the "Cleaning Up" compilation produced in 1999 by Taped Rug Productions to ring in the new milennium. Lord Litter - "Cleaning Up" Don Campau - "I Need My Sponge" EHI - "The Upkeep and Organization of Our Artistic Purchases" Stream Angel - "Cleaning Stuff" Farces Wanna Mo - "Used Condoms in the Trash" Bodycocktail - "Keen to be Clean" A 101 Usui Tadashi - "Let's Clean Your Hand" Nstynk - "I'd Like to Teach the World to Clean" Wayne Butane - "The Myth of Living Comfortably" The American Tract Society - "What's for Dinner?" Glow - "Things I Clean" Rhythm Boobs - "Fun to be Clean?" Alex King - "Bottle of Robots" Liar's Paradise - "You Have the Right to Cleansing" http://Aural-Innovations.com From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun Dec 10 14:53:36 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:53:36 -0000 Subject: magna and dressing up Message-ID: who's dressing up for magna? i'm gonna dress up as an alien and drive from doncaster wearing the costume, but at some stage in the day the lab coat will be on. i've been wearing one since about ' 86. " ah those hammy odeon days ". ex wife burnt my original in about ' 96, but the replacement is worthy i think. first outing for it was hawkestra. its got an alien and the cover from "masques" as the main theme, tap my shoulder if you approve. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Dec 10 15:41:46 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:41:46 -0000 Subject: magna and dressing up Message-ID: We'll also be dressed as aliens - just got a couple of masks off eBay. A friend's son runs a surf shop in Saltburn and is arranging some really fluorescent wetsuits. As for driving in costume, probably but it's a long way from Darlington! Could take a long time if plod keeps stopping us just to check! (could always claim that we don't come under their jurisdiction) What time are you planning on arriving at Rotherham? Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "john-paul" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: magna and dressing up who's dressing up for magna? i'm gonna dress up as an alien and drive from doncaster wearing the costume, but at some stage in the day the lab coat will be on. i've been wearing one since about ' 86. " ah those hammy odeon days ". ex wife burnt my original in about ' 96, but the replacement is worthy i think. first outing for it was hawkestra. its got an alien and the cover from "masques" as the main theme, tap my shoulder if you approve. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 09/12/2006 15:41 From hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK Sun Dec 10 17:13:45 2006 From: hawkwomble at TISCALI.CO.UK (john-paul) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:13:45 -0000 Subject: magna and dressing up Message-ID: probably get there around 3 pm. my missus and i got masks from ebay too, lets hope they are'nt the same. still got to pursuade the missus to let me drive in costume. i'll be in ling black robe thingy with silver cuffs and collar. missus is wearing silver trousers with silver chinese top thingy. see you there, regards, jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Toyne" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: magna and dressing up > We'll also be dressed as aliens - just got a couple of masks off eBay. A > friend's son runs a surf shop in Saltburn and is arranging some really > fluorescent wetsuits. As for driving in costume, probably but it's a long > way from Darlington! Could take a long time if plod keeps stopping us > just > to check! (could always claim that we don't come under their jurisdiction) > > What time are you planning on arriving at Rotherham? > > Cheers, > > Neil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john-paul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:53 PM > Subject: magna and dressing up > > > who's dressing up for magna? > i'm gonna dress up as an alien and drive from doncaster wearing the > costume, > but at some stage in the day the lab coat will be on. i've been wearing > one > since about ' 86. " ah those hammy odeon days ". ex wife burnt my original > in about ' 96, but the replacement is worthy i think. first outing for it > was hawkestra. its got an alien and the cover from "masques" as the main > theme, tap my shoulder if you approve. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: > 09/12/2006 > 15:41 > From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sun Dec 10 17:20:37 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:20:37 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind political messages Message-ID: I have tried over the years to condense or catagorise the political message projected by Hawkwind. They certainly have anarchist/libertarian principles, but there is so much more. I was reading the lyrics to their recent "The reality of Poverty", which has striking simularities to Gore's new movie "An Inconvenient Truth"; Population explosion, Global Warming, 50 years left etc. I dont know the rest of Gore's views, but on the strength of that presentation alone I would very likely vote for Gore if I was an American citizen. Sustainable living is very close to my heart, to do anything else is like cutting our own children's, children's throats, which is plain nuts. As always, in the end, the Balance will likely ultimately take its toll here as well. It is also possible to find similar messages in "Uncle Sams on Mars", but I also share the views of Hawking (as well as Hawkwind!) when he says that the next few hundred years are very dangerous for mankind and that we have to colonise other places in space to give us more hope for the survival of mankind. Perhaps mankind also needs a goal of exploration, something to aim for to unite us? Perhaps reminiscent of the bold discoverers of the new world? Despite agreeing with most of Bob's views in "Uncle Sams on Mars", I actually do have 2 old bangers in the garage, which we need, and which also makes me feel like a real fraud, but I cannot help the way modern society has been designed. I do my best, but for the future someone, or some kind of world government body, needs to sit down and design a better and more sustainable way of life. We have every right to blame our leaders for the path their have led us down. Other Hawkwind themes which are important are freedom from facisim, police state, 1984 Big Brother, checking your identity, what you are doing and where you have been. Also Love and Peace and greater tolerance for those who are different to you, as well as anti-war messages, similar to Ghandi's style of pacificsm. The Petro war theme in Hassan i Sahba (Bush's Iraq?). The insanity of Nuclear War - Damnation Alley - thankyou Dr Stranglove for going doolalley. Does M.A.D. really keep the peace or have we just been lucky this far? The messages are there for all to see and most definately relevant and important to us all, and in some cases even prophetic. I would also add that these views must ultimately be those of Dave B himself, as well as probably many of the musicians that have played with the band. Even Tolkien has a green political message in the LOTR, the Shire, the destruction of Fangorn Forest by Saruman and the rising of the Ents. etc. In Dick's Bladerunner we also see a dark future in which the planet has been scarred horribly by industrialisation. Perhaps this is fairly common theme in the world of fantasy? Chris Owen From baj4164121 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 11 03:20:22 2006 From: baj4164121 at AOL.COM (Beverley Johnstone) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:20:22 -0500 Subject: dressing up for magna Message-ID: i am in the process of making my spacey costume after buying some material that resembles brushed steel (silver) i have made the skirt and am now busy with the top half i just have to get my long boots sprayed silver and im ready. My partner Steve has a costume from the drama series Cold lazurus from tv it is also in a gun metal type colour fabric that looks like steel and he has all matching accessories. We just need a silver bag now to put our dinner in lol. I dont know about driving down in costume as it is a distance from Newcastle and we have to book into our hotel at 3pm so i can only think we will be there around 4.30pm see you all there. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Dec 10 17:49:45 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:49:45 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind political messages Message-ID: Its the same way Star Trek was in the 60's, a unified vision of peace etc. I do think it clashes with anarchism to be libertarian or unified, Hawkwind seem to be more feudal dictators in way, as self proclaimed "Hawklords" etc., drugs seem to float about and noone gets harmed and gets sick or dies from it as long as they are protected by The Hawkwind... Lots of anarchist sentiments in Hawkwind, against opression of the individual like surveillance and cencorship, though they are a band who could take over the world if they were as popular as David Bowie.... same genre and shady dope fiends too of the same generation... but one never grows out of Hawkwind, ask me I liked them when I was 16 and haven't known any other way of life than smoking the leaf and stuff, well okay I was very angry at Hawkwind and a few people for not accepting me as a fan, very depressing, though I haven't changed one bit since I was a Hashish smoking Hawkchild though people seem to think so! No Buddist sentiments please, and die like a warrior! Christian ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Owen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Sunday, 10 December, 2006 11:20:37 PM Subject: Hawkwind political messages I have tried over the years to condense or catagorise the political message projected by Hawkwind. They certainly have anarchist/libertarian principles, but there is so much more. I was reading the lyrics to their recent "The reality of Poverty", which has striking simularities to Gore's new movie "An Inconvenient Truth"; Population explosion, Global Warming, 50 years left etc. I dont know the rest of Gore's views, but on the strength of that presentation alone I would very likely vote for Gore if I was an American citizen. Sustainable living is very close to my heart, to do anything else is like cutting our own children's, children's throats, which is plain nuts. As always, in the end, the Balance will likely ultimately take its toll here as well. It is also possible to find similar messages in "Uncle Sams on Mars", but I also share the views of Hawking (as well as Hawkwind!) when he says that the next few hundred years are very dangerous for mankind and that we have to colonise other places in space to give us more hope for the survival of mankind. Perhaps mankind also needs a goal of exploration, something to aim for to unite us? Perhaps reminiscent of the bold discoverers of the new world? Despite agreeing with most of Bob's views in "Uncle Sams on Mars", I actually do have 2 old bangers in the garage, which we need, and which also makes me feel like a real fraud, but I cannot help the way modern society has been designed. I do my best, but for the future someone, or some kind of world government body, needs to sit down and design a better and more sustainable way of life. We have every right to blame our leaders for the path their have led us down. Other Hawkwind themes which are important are freedom from facisim, police state, 1984 Big Brother, checking your identity, what you are doing and where you have been. Also Love and Peace and greater tolerance for those who are different to you, as well as anti-war messages, similar to Ghandi's style of pacificsm. The Petro war theme in Hassan i Sahba (Bush's Iraq?). The insanity of Nuclear War - Damnation Alley - thankyou Dr Stranglove for going doolalley. Does M.A.D. really keep the peace or have we just been lucky this far? The messages are there for all to see and most definately relevant and important to us all, and in some cases even prophetic. I would also add that these views must ultimately be those of Dave B himself, as well as probably many of the musicians that have played with the band. Even Tolkien has a green political message in the LOTR, the Shire, the destruction of Fangorn Forest by Saruman and the rising of the Ents. etc. In Dick's Bladerunner we also see a dark future in which the planet has been scarred horribly by industrialisation. Perhaps this is fairly common theme in the world of fantasy? Chris Owen Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 11 09:38:34 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:38:34 -0600 Subject: hw: hawkfest stuff (was Re: Hawkfest MYspace Page) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Dave Law wrote: :Subject: Hawkfest MYspace Page : :Hi all : :Just letting you know that we've just launched the official : :Hawkfest 2007 Myspace page, that can be found at - : :http://www.myspace.com/hawkfest2007 : :Whilst very much in it's infancy at the moment the intention is that this :page will grow and develop as and when announcements regarding hawkfest are :made, however there are already a couple of major announcements on there :that you need to read (especially if you're a budding artist of musician !) Hey Dave, Any idea when the credit card/paypal stuff is going to go up for Hawkfest? It's the easiest way to pay for those of us overseas. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Dec 11 13:23:25 2006 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:23:25 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind political messages In-Reply-To: <000b01c71ca9$6b6488f0$6600a8c0@PC1> Message-ID: On the whole politicians and philosophers don't make good musicians. I would be cautious about reading the Hawkwind lyrics too seriously since they're songs first and political diatribes a distant second. That's not to belittle the political views of the various band members, but they're political musicians not musical politicians. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chris Owen Sent: 10 December 2006 22:21 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind political messages I have tried over the years to condense or catagorise the political message projected by Hawkwind. They certainly have anarchist/libertarian principles, but there is so much more. I was reading the lyrics to their recent "The reality of Poverty", which has striking ... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 11 18:19:03 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:19:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy In-Reply-To: <20061206153718.GB16547@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:37:18AM -0500, Stephen Swann typed out: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 07:28:18PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm > > section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it pretty much > > the other way round... > > Andy Sommers is an indifferent guitarist? The range of > opinions on this group never ceases to amaze. ;-) It may be that I get distracted by the drums. I'll obviously have to listen again... Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Dopes to Infinity_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 11 18:27:45 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:27:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Remastered Robert Calvert classics In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20061206233737.02936e18@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:43:53PM +0800, Ian Jeffcock typed out: > Something else to look forward to (and start saving up for). > > ROBERT CALVERT: CAPTAIN LOCKHEED & THE STARFIGHTERS (Remastered/3 Bonus > Tracks) > ROBERT CALVERT: LUCKY LIEF & THE LONGSHIPS (Remastered/2 Bonus Tracks) Hmm. Anyone got any clue what the bonus tracks might be? I'm guessing single version of `Ejection' on _Captain Lockheed_ is one, but what are the others? Was there a demo of `Widow Song' somewhere or something? And the obligatory `dammit, I just finally bought the previous remaster'... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Dec 11 18:57:28 2006 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich W) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:57:28 -0600 Subject: HW: Remastered Robert Calvert classics In-Reply-To: <20061211232745.GH19311@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Bonus tracks (Captain Lockheed): The Right Stuff (full version) (Recorded at Olympic Studios in October 1973 -- Previously unreleased) Ejection (single version) Catch a Falling Starfighter (single version) (Unreleased?) Bonus Tracks (Lucky Leif): Howzat! Cricket Lovely Reggae (Cricket Star) See www.eclecticdiscs.com for more info. I was surprised they didn't include both versions of 'Making of Midgard' on Lucky Leif, though I'll be happy to take the original vinyl mix since it will be it's first time on CD, and was it 'Widow Song'? that was completed later and turned up on aFriends and relations comp(but is on the original Lyric sheet for Cpt Lockheed) Rich Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:43:53PM +0800, Ian Jeffcock typed out: > >> Something else to look forward to (and start saving up for). >> >> ROBERT CALVERT: CAPTAIN LOCKHEED & THE STARFIGHTERS (Remastered/3 Bonus >> Tracks) >> ROBERT CALVERT: LUCKY LIEF & THE LONGSHIPS (Remastered/2 Bonus Tracks) >> > > Hmm. Anyone got any clue what the bonus tracks might be? I'm > guessing single version of `Ejection' on _Captain Lockheed_ is one, but > what are the others? Was there a demo of `Widow Song' somewhere or > something? > > And the obligatory `dammit, I just finally bought the previous > remaster'... Yours, > Jon > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 08:20:34 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:20:34 GMT Subject: Anyone travelling from Holmfirth gig? Message-ID: Looking for a lift for two after Holmfirth in Sheffield direction... FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 13 05:12:38 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:12:38 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind political messages In-Reply-To: <20061210224945.26008.qmail@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 10:49:45PM +0000, Amphetamine Embalmer typed out: > Its the same way Star Trek was in the 60's, a unified vision of peace > etc. I do think it clashes with anarchism to be libertarian or > unified, Hawkwind seem to be more feudal dictators in way, as self > proclaimed "Hawklords" etc., drugs seem to float about and noone gets > harmed and gets sick or dies from it as long as they are protected by > The Hawkwind... Lots of anarchist sentiments in Hawkwind, against > opression of the individual like surveillance and cencorship, though > they are a band who could take over the world if they were as popular > as David Bowie... I think Hawkwind's political stance, as far as it has one, has varied a lot depending on who was the dominant force in the band at the time. Really early Hawkwind has Nik and Dave both preaching like peaceniks who want a ticket off the planet before man finishes screwing it up, and the lyrics are mostly melancholy or escapism or both. I think the warrior/anarchist thing is almost entirely from Bob, with Moorcock's more doomed samurai ethic maybe allowing this to blend with Dave's earth-brotherhood thing to produce Black Sword sort of stuff. When it comes down to detail on politics though recent Hawkwind lyrics have been a bit inconsistent. Luddite `Robots are taking over' versus sixties sci-fi about how great they are, for example, and of course the great surprise: who would have thought that the man that wrote the words `Duplicate forms and ID cards / Are next in line to disregard' would have set up the Hawkwind Passport scheme? So I guess maybe `Hawkwind' politics is surer about who the enemies are and how we don't need them than what we could do instead. Which is certainly quite like some anarchists I know but doesn't really have the tyrannical `organise! organise! organise!' hardcore ethic of the real activists, more the `it'll all just work out somehow if we stop paying taxes to the Man because life is beautiful when people can stop and look at it' philosophy of the peacenik still. As you can probably tell I'm too hung up to like either of these ethics much :-) But the music forgives the occasional naivete, I reckon. Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 13 05:58:28 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:58:28 GMT Subject: Hawkwind political messages In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:12:38 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > who would have thought that the man that wrote the words > `Duplicate forms and ID cards / Are next in line to disregard' would > have set up the Hawkwind Passport scheme? Give free MP3 downloads with the State ID card and 90% of De Yoot will have 'em in a trice. > So I guess maybe `Hawkwind' > politics is surer about who the enemies are and how we don't need them > than what we could do instead. Which is certainly quite like some > anarchists I know That's the whole point of anarchy innit? Not prescribing what people should do, but leaving them free to do what they want within the law? > but doesn't really have the tyrannical `organise! > organise! organise!' hardcore ethic of the real activists, more the > `it'll all just work out somehow if we stop paying taxes to the Man > because life is beautiful when people can stop and look at it' > philosophy of the peacenik still. Ummm. I'm for arming the populace for a polite society and I'm happy to sa that we'd work it out somehow if we abolished The Man's means of putting out the Tax Hat with menaces. Not all of us anarchists are pacifists. > As you can probably tell I'm too hung up to like either of these > ethics much :-) But the music forgives the occasional naivete, I reckon. I'd certainly rather bands got the music right than strove to be politically correct. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 13 09:25:34 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:25:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Remastered Robert Calvert classics In-Reply-To: <457DF068.1060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:57:28PM -0600, Rich W typed out: > Bonus tracks (Captain Lockheed): > > The Right Stuff (full version) (Recorded at Olympic Studios in October > 1973 -- Previously unreleased) > Ejection (single version) > Catch a Falling Starfighter (single version) > > (Unreleased?) Bonus Tracks (Lucky Leif): > > Howzat! > Cricket Lovely Reggae (Cricket Star) > > See www.eclecticdiscs.com I'm sorry, I should have done that to start with. Thankyou. But this is interesting isn't it, that's the first time the `Cricket Star' single's been out since its first release isn't it? I'd assumed it had got lost. I'll have to be getting that for Kollector value alone :-) > I was surprised they didn't include both versions of 'Making of Midgard' > on Lucky Leif, though I'll be happy to take the original vinyl mix since > it will be it's first time on CD, and was it 'Widow Song'? that was > completed later and turned up on aFriends and relations comp(but is on > the original Lyric sheet for Cpt Lockheed) It's on one of the F&R things I think. Ah yes, _Friends & Relations 3_, says Knut Gerwers's encyclopaedic site, which also adds that the track was finished off with Jill Calvert's vocals during the _Freq_ sessions: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/works/calvertworks4.htm I would have looked there first but escaping that site is really really difficult and I'm supposed to be working... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 13 11:26:05 2006 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:26:05 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind political messages Message-ID: While we're on the subject, Inner City Unit now have a Myspace http://www.myspace.com/nikturnerinnercityunit However, I then received a mail from the renowned Lord Litter, of Radio Marabu. trev Here is the relevant bit .. all in all by spreading this I just want people to think to come to individual conclusioins .... in a 100% profit orriented world real BIG offerings that show no *obvious indication* how they make their money, make me extremly suspicious .. not talking about any strange conspiracy .. people like Murdoch only live to maximise their profit/power/control .. absolutely logic ... from a myspace site of a friend : http://www.myspace.com/manshate a message from myspace: "Latest Update: 08:59 AM PST, Friday July 28th, Hi Ya, Your profile is not being deleted. We are cooperating with the National Security Agency and allowing them access to all information we have about you. We have given they full access to your profiles, bulletins, and your friends list. Do not worry about this. They are an Agency of the United States and would never do anything to harm you" from a friend's (http://www.lowartmusic.com ) letter who has myspace *experience*: "My computer blocks off my internet service whenever I click on a link that's part of MySpace. My firewall says, 'WORM ATTEMPT BLOCKED.' That's why Jeff Farley and I have thought it best to ignore that whole fad. We would rather post our own music for free mp3 downloads for whoever stumbles upon the lowartmusic.com site" ... just make your own thoughts on all above ... .. to me taking part in myspace (these days) is a bit like advertising in a right wing yellow press paper: *looking for cool people to start anarchy movement* ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Hawkwind political messages > Jonathan Jarrett writes: > >> who would have thought that the man that wrote the words >> `Duplicate forms and ID cards / Are next in line to disregard' would >> have set up the Hawkwind Passport scheme? > > Give free MP3 downloads with the State ID card and 90% of De Yoot will > have 'em in a trice. > >> So I guess maybe `Hawkwind' >> politics is surer about who the enemies are and how we don't need them >> than what we could do instead. Which is certainly quite like some >> anarchists I know > > That's the whole point of anarchy innit? Not prescribing what people > should do, but leaving them free to do what they want within the law? > >> but doesn't really have the tyrannical `organise! >> organise! organise!' hardcore ethic of the real activists, more the >> `it'll all just work out somehow if we stop paying taxes to the Man >> because life is beautiful when people can stop and look at it' >> philosophy of the peacenik still. > > Ummm. I'm for arming the populace for a polite society and I'm happy to > sa that we'd work it out somehow if we abolished The Man's means of > putting out the Tax Hat with menaces. > > Not all of us anarchists are pacifists. > >> As you can probably tell I'm too hung up to like either of these >> ethics much :-) But the music forgives the occasional naivete, I reckon. > > I'd certainly rather bands got the music right than strove to be > politically correct. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 07:16:03 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:16:03 GMT Subject: Pubs before gigs? Message-ID: Suggestions for meetups before gigs? Holmfirth? Magna? Do we just party in the Science Centre or have a full-regalia outing to a pub for some eats early evening? London - This time I suggest upstairs at The Chandos, just off Trafalgar Square - great beer and food and very good prices: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/65/657/ FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Dec 14 09:02:30 2006 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:02:30 +0000 Subject: H/W: Astoria - on stage times What time to the Hawks hit the stage Message-ID: Hi Folks, anyone know what time Hawkwind are due onstage, and what time they have to finish by.... long story, but looking increasingly likley that I won't be able to attend, although I'm gonna be 500 yards from the freaking venue... iain From CWarburton at OAG.COM Thu Dec 14 11:03:45 2006 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:03:45 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Weller/Kilmister controversy Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > I was reflecting the other day on one of the > rare occasions that I've spun the Lloyd Langton Group's _Like > An Arrow_ > on how much the first song on that sounds like an attempt to > sound like > The Police. Difference is that The Police had an *excellent* rhythm > section and an indifferent guitarist, whereas the LLG had it > pretty much the other way round... WHAT!!!!!??????? Guess I've got to creak the coffin lid open again. I have very mixed feelings about The Police, and it's probably the case that they weren't really a showcase for wild guitar, but to describe Andy Summers as "indifferent" is so far off the beam as to be laughable...Just check out "Peggy's Blue Skylight" for his take on Mingus, or his work with Fripp 'nuff said - can you imagine RF working with somebody who was indifferent? TTFN ChrisW ObCD: Street Corner Talking/Hellbound Train by Savoy Brown Plus: A shipload of vinyl goodies from ebay... This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It and any attachments may contain privileged and/or confidential information. They may not be disclosed to or used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. 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By replying to this email you give your consent to such monitoring. Thank you. OAG Worldwide Limited is a company registered in England and Wales (registered number 4226716), with its registered office at Church Street, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, LU5 4HB, United Kingdom. From chrisow at SHAW.CA Thu Dec 14 13:12:13 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:12:13 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Political messages Message-ID: Hi Jon, I think you may be getting a bit over cynical there! I do appreciate the irony of the Hawkwind Passports although there is probably good reason why they want to know who will be coming to private events. Ultimately, I do think the music is most important but the message in the lyrics is also important and I happen to sympathise with 95% of it, especially the inconvenient truth. I am an engineer myself and so I am against ludditism, but then Hawkwind were always known for not being against new technology and for not being afraid taking the latest musical equipment and using it however they wished. As for "stop the world I want a ticket to get off" well we will need a space program to do that as well as a new home to go to; Planet Hawking? Planet Hawkwind? Planet Viridian? I had this idea once of designing a whole virtual planet and society called Planet Viridian which I was going to put online; I got as far as doing away with politicians, nation states, organised religon, military, weapons research, medical waiting lists, traffic wardens, social workers, multibillionaires, passports we could travel and live anywhere and over population, 1 Billion max. Everything was just about quality of life and natural morality and fairness and justice but I ran out of time and money! Chris From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 13:35:00 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Political messages In-Reply-To: Chris Owen's message of Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:12:13 -0800 Message-ID: Chris Owen writes: > I had this idea once of designing a whole virtual planet and society > called Planet Viridian which I was going to put online; > I got as far > as doing away with politicians, nation states, organised religon, > military, weapons research, > medical waiting lists, traffic wardens, > social workers, multibillionaires, passports we could travel and live > anywhere > and over population, 1 Billion max. > Everything was just > about quality of life and natural morality and fairness and justice but > I ran out of time and money! getting morality and fairness into that bundle would be pretty mush impossible if you populated your planet with real live humans because: * Organised religion : to stop the superstitious getting together and organising themselves into a religion you'd have to put some very authoritarian crimps on people's rights to free association. * Military : No military means preventing people organising themselves into groups for self-defence against others who wish to take their rights or property. Not only have you abridged freedom of association, but you've limited people's right to defend themselves and others from bullies and interlopers. * Multibillionaires : To prevent the talented from using their wits in trading with people to make themselves (and of course the people they trade with) richer, you'd have to limit people's rights to trade with whom they choose for what they mutually choose. * Overpopulation: You'd have to have a law, and some judges ready, to decide who would get permission to breed - effectively removing the right to have a family with whomsoever one chooses. * Weapons research. Just about any scientific breakthrough can be made into a weapon by someone imaginative enough. You;d have to suppress scientific enquiry and basically simple curiousity. I suspect this would require compulsory depressant drugs for those of us who are inveterately inquisitive. * No medical waiting lists means queueing medicine by money instead of time, unless of course you'd simply make slaves of doctors? So in short there'd be no rights to self-defence, free association, free trade or family life, and being curious would be functionally a ticket to Room 101, and possible slavery too. You'd need nothing short of a heavily armed fascist state to get folks to submit to that. far from being a utopia, it's just about as near a nightmare society as anything I could imagine. The only plus would be the lack of state functionaries such as politicians and social workers - though I'm sure they'd all need anyway to retrain as Republican Guard soldiers to keep the bootheel of oppression firmly on those who'd inevitably revolt. In those circumstances even the hippies would be sticking their flowers in your eyes. FoFP From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Dec 14 14:01:20 2006 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:01:20 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Political messages In-Reply-To: <001201c71fab$617fe9b0$6600a8c0@PC1> Message-ID: Chris Owen wrote: >I had this idea once of designing a whole virtual planet and society called Planet Viridian which I was going to put online; I got as far as doing away with politicians, nation states, organised religon, military, weapons research, medical waiting lists, traffic wardens, social workers, multibillionaires, passports we could travel and live anywhere and over population, 1 Billion max. Everything was just about quality of life and natural morality and fairness and justice but I ran out of time and money! So did Ursula LeGuin. The place is called Anarres. Look it up. (And if anybody finds it, let me know...I'd like to live there.) Grakkl P.S. Oh, and there's no money, so you can't run out of it. :) P.P.S. The Ansible, something that coincidentally was just referred to here by Arin (I guess it's a fanzine or something...was confusing at first, as I thought something was about to be physically teleported across space without delay), is a sort of Macguffin in this otherwise socio-political anarchic allegory. Called the Dispossessed, natch. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 18:18:38 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:18:38 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Political messages Message-ID: "Salt" is a similar book to Le Guin's describing completely opposite societies. One highly organised and stratified based on money and patronage; the other anarchistic but with a kind of flexible co-operation with people selected at random to perform some social tasks for a short while (farmer, housebuilder, roadmaker, ambasador) but with no compulsion. Importantly both societies were limited by being colonists on a virtually barren planet with very restricted resources so each had to co-operate internally to survive and though both developed they did so in isolation. Curiously the thing they shared in common was a suppression of "self". In one it was considered an unacceptable desire to dominate others by force and in the other it was seen as a desire to break down the established social structures. Particularly nice was the complete inability of each group to comprehend the other's mind set when they did occasionally interact! Written very much as a political parable of today though. jill ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Owen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: Hawkwind Political messages Hi Jon, I think you may be getting a bit over cynical there! I do appreciate the irony of the Hawkwind Passports although there is probably good reason why they want to know who will be coming to private events. Ultimately, I do think the music is most important but the message in the lyrics is also important and I happen to sympathise with 95% of it, especially the inconvenient truth. I am an engineer myself and so I am against ludditism, but then Hawkwind were always known for not being against new technology and for not being afraid taking the latest musical equipment and using it however they wished. As for "stop the world I want a ticket to get off" well we will need a space program to do that as well as a new home to go to; Planet Hawking? Planet Hawkwind? Planet Viridian? I had this idea once of designing a whole virtual planet and society called Planet Viridian which I was going to put online; I got as far as doing away with politicians, nation states, organised religon, military, weapons research, medical waiting lists, traffic wardens, social workers, multibillionaires, passports we could travel and live anywhere and over population, 1 Billion max. Everything was just about quality of life and natural morality and fairness and justice but I ran out of time and money! Chris From chrisow at SHAW.CA Fri Dec 15 12:00:00 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:00:00 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) Message-ID: Hi M, Is that Mike or? I guess that just about raps it up for idealism! If we cant dream and hope for a better world then for sure we will never get one. You will notice however that I did not say I would have forced anyone to do what they dont want to do. These were simply things that the people of Viridian would all agree make for a better world. I still think there is a chance that we could make a better world and a starting point would be if could describe or define what one would look like. Obviously the first thing we would aim for in no more war so no need for H Bombs tanks and military. You dont have to blow someones head off to get what you want. I believe that the best example of what I am describing is how Ghandi was able to change his world by just sitting down in the road. I must say that these Bush years have really knocked my belief that mankind can do better though. Or perhaps I am getting too old and tired to dream of better things. Chris From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Dec 15 12:09:15 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:09:15 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Political messages In-Reply-To: <20061214190120.64859.qmail@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Keith Henderson wrote: :Subject: Re: Hawkwind Political messages : : P.P.S. The Ansible, something that coincidentally was just referred to here by Arin (I guess it's a fanzine or something...was confusing at first, as I thought something was about to be physically teleported across space without delay), is a sort of Macguffin in this otherwise socio-political anarchic allegory. Called the Dispossessed, natch. Technically, it's a semi-prozine (at least according to hugo category), but yeah, it's a fanzine ;-) It's put out by Dave Langford, a very funny individual. (He's got several books out, amongst the funniest of which are _The Leaky Establishment_ and _The Dragonhiker's Guide to Battlefield Covenant at Dune's Edge: Odyssey Two_, the latter of which has recently been republished in _He Do the Time Police in Different Voices_. I'd also recommend the collection _The Silence of the Langford_.) Arin (sf/f geek) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 15 12:10:08 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:10:08 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) In-Reply-To: <000701c7206a$75368d00$6600a8c0@PC1> Message-ID: On 15/12/2006 17:00, Chris Owen wrote: > I must say that these Bush years have really knocked my belief that > mankind can do better though. Just thinking about Bush makes me realize how _easy_ it should be to do better than _that_ .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 15 12:14:15 2006 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:14:15 EST Subject: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 Message-ID: American Hawkfans rejoice. Officially announced today on the Nearfest website at www. nearfest. com. Hawkwind will headline America's premier progressive rock festival on Saturday June 23, 2007 in Bethlehem Pennsylvania on the campus of Lehigh College. Awesome news for us in the U.S. From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 15 12:21:33 2006 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:21:33 EST Subject: Hawkwind-Nearfest press release Message-ID: NEARFEST PRESS RELEASE December 15, 2006 SPACESHIP HAWKWIND TO LAND AT NEARFEST 2007 NEARfest is very excited to announce the legendary British space rock collective Hawkwind as our first headline act for our ninth annual festival. Led by guitarist, keyboardist and vocalist Dave Brock, Hawkwind has earned world-wide renown for their 36-year musical mission to explore inner and outer space. >From their genre-defining classic albums "Space Ritual", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", and "Warrior at the Edge of Time" to their brand new recording "Take Me to Your Leader", the band has coursed through the cosmos with their progressive hard rock guitar and keyboard-led attack, sci-fi themed lyrics, and memorable songs. Hawkwind has always shined most in a live setting through the decades, with improvisatory excursions intermingling with visual imagery and interpretive dancing to provide immersive multi-media sensory experiences for audiences around the world. Be sure not to miss this rare Stateside landing of spaceship Hawkwind on the Saturday slate at NEARfest 2007! (*pending expected visa approval by the end of 2006) MP3 downloads will be available on the NEARfest website in the near future. http://www.nearfest.com ------------- - Chad "AFTER THE STORM", A Benefit Album for the Survivors of Hurricane Katrina Featuring echolyn, Kansas, Camel, The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and more http://afterthestorm.nearfestrecords.com From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Dec 15 12:34:21 2006 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:34:21 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 EliPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 : :American Hawkfans rejoice. Officially announced today on the Nearfest website :at www. nearfest. com. Hawkwind will headline America's premier progressive :rock festival on Saturday June 23, 2007 in Bethlehem Pennsylvania on the campus :of Lehigh College. Awesome news for us in the U.S. Now I wonder if a US tour is going to happen as well. (If they are getting their visas already for nearfest, then surely they can hit a few more dates.) Interesting, though, for timing. Weekend after hawkfest. Summer would be a good time for a tour. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 16 08:52:55 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:52:55 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock, Alchemical, & Drool Trough Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com DECEMBER 16, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #166), Alchemical Radio (show #3), and Drool Trough Radio (show #54). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #166) Annot Rh?l - "The Dark Lord" (from Lost In the Woods EP) ?resund Space Collective ? ?Rolling? (from It?s All About Delay) Census of Hallucinations ? ?Sunshine Through Autumn Leaves? (from The Definitive Collection 2006) Gravanzia ? ?Calling Your Name? (from The Power of Gavanzia Compels You ) Purple Overdose ? ?Holes? (from A Trip to Purpleland) Purple Overdose ? ?Her Arms Embraced the Sun? (from Reborn) Nicholas Hill & The Universals ? ?Tell Me About It? (from Nicholas Hill & The Universals) Reefus Moons ? ?A Certain Kind of Grin? (from Waiting for My Albatross) Z-Axis ? ?Put Out The Cat? (from Concatenations) Terri~B & Somebody Famous ? ?We Just Let The Whole Thing Happen? (from The Wonders of Modern Technology) Sonar ? ?Dubai? (from Deltroid) Alien Dream ? ?Under A Full Moon? (unreleased) Nihil Project ? ?Tissington Hall Well? (from Plough Plays) Gino Foti ? ?Brahmananda Valli ? Part III? (from Vedic Mantras) Quag II ? ?Baby Watch Out!? (unreleased jam) The Best of Alchemical Radio Volume 3 Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Progressive Rock, Psychedelia and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) 1) Punishment Of Luxury ? You Eat Too Much 2) Hattler ? New ID 3) Framauro - Etna 4) Five Fifteen ? Six Dimensions Of The Electric Camembert 5) The Ozric Tentacles ? The Hidden Step 6) Lord Litter ? The Gentle Intruder 7) Flyte Reacion ? Try Me 8) Rapoon ? One Thing 9) Paul Rose - Shields 10) Mushroom ? I?ve Got Blisters On My Fingers 11) Agitation Free ? Nomads 12) Scapeland Wish ? Brave New World 13) The Ozric Tentacles ? Pyramidion 14) Saturnia ? Still Life Drool Trough Radio (show #54) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Flaming Fire ? ?Satellite? (from When the High Bell Rings) Census of Hallucinations ? ?The Love of Flying? (from 10) Vialka ? ?Gothenburg? (from Vialka / Kruzenshern & Parohod split CD) Hectic Watermelon ? ?Steve?s Stunt Double? (from The Great American Road Trip) Chris Becker ? ?The Preacher & the Devil? (from Saints & Devils) Hop-Frog?s Drum Jester Devotional ? ?Eastern Spleen 3 (Donkey Beat Mix)? (from Bets Ov, Vol. 1) Yukon ? ?Formation Prevention? (from Mortar) Franco Baggiani ? ?Lokomotiva? (from Santur) Warren Steele Stylee with the Strung-Out Orchestra and the Crackhead Circus ? ?Aslaveir at the Pharch?s Land? (from Songs for Lost Souls) The Knives of Neptune ? ?Let Them Talk? (from Lakes) Cranebuilders ? ?My Little Misery? 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(from Living Well) http://Aural-Innovations.com From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sat Dec 16 13:49:14 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:49:14 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 15 Dec 2006 to 16 Dec 2006 (#2006-292) Message-ID: All you ever wanted to know about the ansible and superluminal communication: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible And thanks for Ursula Quinn's Anarres lead also! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarres /Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOC-L automatic digest system" To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: BOC-L Digest - 15 Dec 2006 to 16 Dec 2006 (#2006-292) > There are 6 messages totalling 187 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) (2) > 2. Hawkwind Political messages > 3. Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 (2) > 4. Hawkwind-Nearfest press release > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:00:00 -0800 > From: Chris Owen > Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) > > Hi M, Is that Mike or? > > I guess that just about raps it up for idealism! > If we cant dream and hope for a better world then for sure we will never > get > one. > > You will notice however that I did not say I would have forced anyone to > do > what they dont want to do. These were simply things that the people of > Viridian would > all agree make for a better world. I still think there is a chance that we > could make a better > world and a starting point would be if could describe or define what one > would look like. > > Obviously the first thing we would aim for in no more war so no need for H > Bombs > tanks and military. You dont have to blow someones head off to get what > you > want. > I believe that the best example of what I am describing is how Ghandi was > able > to change his world by just sitting down in the road. > > I must say that these Bush years have really knocked my belief that > mankind > can > do better though. Or perhaps I am getting too old and tired to dream of > better things. > > Chris > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:09:15 -0600 > From: Arin Komins > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Political messages > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Keith Henderson wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Hawkwind Political messages > : > : P.P.S. The Ansible, something that coincidentally was just referred to > here by Arin (I guess it's a fanzine or something...was confusing at > first, as I thought something was about to be physically teleported across > space without delay), is a sort of Macguffin in this otherwise > socio-political anarchic allegory. Called the Dispossessed, natch. > > Technically, it's a semi-prozine (at least according to hugo category), > but yeah, it's a fanzine ;-) > > It's put out by Dave Langford, a very funny individual. (He's got several > books out, amongst the funniest of which are _The Leaky Establishment_ and > _The Dragonhiker's Guide to Battlefield Covenant at Dune's Edge: Odyssey > Two_, the latter of which has recently been republished in _He Do the Time > Police in Different Voices_. I'd also recommend the collection _The > Silence > of the Langford_.) > > Arin > (sf/f geek) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:10:08 +0000 > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) > > On 15/12/2006 17:00, Chris Owen wrote: >> I must say that these Bush years have really knocked my belief that >> mankind can do better though. > > Just thinking about Bush makes me realize how _easy_ it should be to do > better than _that_ .... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:14:15 EST > From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 > > American Hawkfans rejoice. Officially announced today on the Nearfest > website > at www. nearfest. com. Hawkwind will headline America's premier > progressive > rock festival on Saturday June 23, 2007 in Bethlehem Pennsylvania on the > campus > of Lehigh College. Awesome news for us in the U.S. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:21:33 EST > From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind-Nearfest press release > > NEARFEST PRESS RELEASE > December 15, 2006 > > SPACESHIP HAWKWIND TO LAND AT NEARFEST 2007 > > NEARfest is very excited to announce the legendary British space rock > collective Hawkwind as our first headline act for our ninth annual > festival. Led by > guitarist, keyboardist and vocalist Dave Brock, Hawkwind has earned > world-wide > renown for their 36-year musical mission to explore inner and outer space. > From their genre-defining classic albums "Space Ritual", "Hall of the > Mountain > Grill", and "Warrior at the Edge of Time" to their brand new recording > "Take Me > to Your Leader", the band has coursed through the cosmos with their > progressive hard rock guitar and keyboard-led attack, sci-fi themed > lyrics, and > memorable songs. > > Hawkwind has always shined most in a live setting through the decades, > with > improvisatory excursions intermingling with visual imagery and > interpretive > dancing to provide immersive multi-media sensory experiences for audiences > around > the world. Be sure not to miss this rare Stateside landing of spaceship > Hawkwind on the Saturday slate at NEARfest 2007! > > (*pending expected visa approval by the end of 2006) > > MP3 downloads will be available on the NEARfest website in the near > future. > > http://www.nearfest.com > > > ------------- > - Chad > > "AFTER THE STORM", A Benefit Album for the Survivors of Hurricane Katrina > Featuring echolyn, Kansas, Camel, The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and more > http://afterthestorm.nearfestrecords.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:34:21 -0600 > From: Arin Komins > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 EliPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 > : > :American Hawkfans rejoice. Officially announced today on the Nearfest > website > :at www. nearfest. com. Hawkwind will headline America's premier > progressive > :rock festival on Saturday June 23, 2007 in Bethlehem Pennsylvania on the > campus > :of Lehigh College. Awesome news for us in the U.S. > > Now I wonder if a US tour is going to happen as well. (If they are > getting their visas already for nearfest, then surely they can hit a few > more dates.) > > Interesting, though, for timing. Weekend after hawkfest. Summer would be > a good time for a tour. > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director - Solutions Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT/RP&A tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 15 Dec 2006 to 16 Dec 2006 (#2006-292) > ************************************************************ > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Dec 17 14:15:34 2006 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:15:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? In-Reply-To: <200612081856.kB8Iug6S012553@mail22.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Next month, BOC's fine eponymous LP hits another anniversary. How should we celebrate the record that, for all intents and purposes, brought many/several/three (grin) of us to this esteemed list? Jason. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Dec 18 02:36:27 2006 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:36:27 -0000 Subject: guess what's turning 35? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20061217141337.01d38bb0@acmenet.net> Message-ID: By waiting until 12 February and buying the "Some Enchanted Evening" and "Spectres" remasters as anniversary presents for ourselves. :-) Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Scruton Sent: 17 December 2006 19:16 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? Next month, BOC's fine eponymous LP hits another anniversary. How should we celebrate the record that, for all intents and purposes, brought many/several/three (grin) of us to this esteemed list? Jason. From gredmill at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 18 07:06:58 2006 From: gredmill at BTINTERNET.COM (Guy) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:06:58 -0500 Subject: Pubs before gigs? Message-ID: Hi, I am new to the list, although I have used it as a source of information for some time. I am going to the Astoria gig (my first since Hawkestra!) and would love to have a drink with someone first, time permitting. I don't actually know many Hawkwind fans and will be coming on my own... What time will the support acts be on? What time do we expect the concert to finish (trying to work out train times). After a gap of 6 years, I am very excited about seeing them again! Also, it's 20 years since my first gig - at Bournemouth Academy - so it's nice to know this isn't just a phase. Best, Guy. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Dec 18 11:45:06 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:45:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? Message-ID: Some ideas: 1) Make sure we all have the remaster. 2) Buy a digital copy of it for a friend's MP3 player. 3) Sing "Workshop of the Telescopes" to ourselves in a crowded store or elevator and see how long it takes to clear out the place. 4) Debate which version of Cities on Flame is the best. (It's OYF...) 5) Not turn the volume down before the end of Redeemed. 6) Learn how to play the riff to Transmaniacon MC. 7) Use recording software to create an original mix combining elements of all versions of "I'm on the Lamb", including The Red & The Black and Madames Serrat. (sp?) 9) Draw the chronos symbol in conspicuous places in public spaces. 10) Attend a BOC show and scream for "Screams." > From: Jason Scruton > Next month, BOC's fine eponymous LP hits another anniversary. > > How should we celebrate the record that, for all intents and > purposes, brought many/several/three (grin) of us to this esteemed list? From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Dec 18 11:59:23 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:59:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? Message-ID: >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 12/18/2006 11:45 AM >>> Some ideas: 10) Attend a BOC show and scream for "Screams." Brian, Are you going to the show 12 Jan. near Buffalo? theo From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Dec 18 12:16:18 2006 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:16:18 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Live in US at NEARfest 2007 Message-ID: Well it seems rather more than a possibility that there will be a US tour in 2007 then. I look forward to seeing you all there.... John > American Hawkfans rejoice. Officially announced today on the Nearfest > website > at www. nearfest. com. Hawkwind will headline America's premier > progressive > rock festival on Saturday June 23, 2007 in Bethlehem Pennsylvania on the > campus > of Lehigh College. Awesome news for us in the U.S. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 18 14:19:56 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:19:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind political messages In-Reply-To: <200612131058.kBDAwSN3007043@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 10:58:28AM +0000, M Holmes typed out: > Give free MP3 downloads with the State ID card and 90% of De Yoot will > have 'em in a trice. Thankfully while big business provides such a proportion of party backing that's one carrot that they can't use. > Jonathan Jarrett writes: > > So I guess maybe `Hawkwind' > > politics is surer about who the enemies are and how we don't need them > > than what we could do instead. Which is certainly quite like some > > anarchists I know > > That's the whole point of anarchy innit? Not prescribing what people > should do, but leaving them free to do what they want within the law? The more realistic-sounding anarchists I've debated with would, I think, say that the whole point is organisation on a basis of equality. Autonomous organisation, yes, but it isn't going to happen or continue to happen without some forms of generally-acceptable organisation. Likewise, however much you may rail against the Man, he isn't going to give up and go away unless his opposition has a plan or two. > Ummm. I'm for arming the populace for a polite society and I'm happy to > sa that we'd work it out somehow if we abolished The Man's means of > putting out the Tax Hat with menaces. > > Not all of us anarchists are pacifists. And this stage of the argument goes, `if everyone's armed how do you stop people using force to coerce others', the answer comes, `if everybody's armed they can make sure such people don't get to do it twice', and the historian in me looks at briefly-successful anarchies, all of which got stamped out by bigger coercive organisations, and says, `but to make that work, *everywhere's* got to be anarchist at the same time and then continue to reject the possibility of organising *against* other groups for a bigger slice of local resources! How can you hope to make this stick without the very kind of righteous absolutist army that, for example, fought the Crusades?' > I'd certainly rather bands got the music right than strove to be > politically correct. Well, yes, I mean clearly we agree about this much or we'd not be here :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Brain - _Access and Amplify_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Dec 18 14:30:38 2006 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:30:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? Message-ID: > From: Ted Jackson wrote: > Brian, > Are you going to the show 12 Jan. near Buffalo? Didn't know about that one. I was thinking about hitting the one in Elmira on Dec. 30. I found out recently that Bruce Abbott (introduced Al to Buck, and co-wrote Golden Age of Leather and Mirrors -- BOC FAQ via Jason) is the boyfriend of the mother of one of my wife's friends. In other words, we're practically brothers. ;-) Anyway, I know he's going to the Elmira gig. Brian From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Dec 18 14:39:34 2006 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:39:34 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops mid winter gathering; Saturnday Feb 2nd 2007 Message-ID: Greetings Friends, The One Eyed Bishops are pleased to announce their 'mid winter gathering'; Saturnday February 2nd 2007 @ Buzz's Tavern, Mt. Holly New Jersey The band will be debuting some new material l and performing a slew of staples, with three sets for your enjoyment!!! Visit http://www.buzzstavern.com/ and click on 'upcoming events' for more information. Lineup: Mike Burro: guitar & lead vocals Greg Elwell: guitar, vocals Jay Adcock: drumkit, backing vocals Jeff Berry : bass, backing vocals Also visit The One Eyed Bishops website for new info and mp3 files! http://www.oneeyedbishops.com From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Mon Dec 18 16:04:56 2006 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:04:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: guess what's turning 35? Message-ID: >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 12/18/2006 2:30 PM >>> > From: Ted Jackson wrote: > Brian, > Are you going to the show 12 Jan. near Buffalo? Didn't know about that one. I was thinking about hitting the one in Elmira on Dec. 30. I found out recently that Bruce Abbott (introduced Al to Buck, and co-wrote Golden Age of Leather and Mirrors -- BOC FAQ via Jason) is the boyfriend of the mother of one of my wife's friends. In other words, we're practically brothers. ;-) Anyway, I know he's going to the Elmira gig. I think I'll pass on the Elmira gig as it looks like it's in some snooty 'theatre.' And, looks like they share the bill with the Outlaws, so count on an even shorter set than usual. The Buffalo gig, albeit a longer drive, should be cooler for me as it's a bar gig and B?C solo... Anyone know if Allen's back on keys? I'm not sure I'd make the trek to see only 2?C... theo From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Dec 19 16:41:13 2006 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:41:13 +0000 Subject: HW : Get Voting again In-Reply-To: <002201c717ef$d76a29b0$0301a8c0@PB01> Message-ID: BBC Radio 2 website - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/battleofthebands_home.shtml It says - "BEST BRITISH BAND? Radio 2's Music Club proudly presents a musical event - your chance to pick five of the greatest British bands of all time and then pitch them against each other in all out battle. Nominate your favourite band right now for the Great British shortlist and then listen to Radio 2 on New Year's Day (1300-1600) when we'll throw open the debate in a three hour live show. We'll invite you to vote and tell us who you think should win and why! There'll be surprise celebrity nominations and the best music from all the five bands. So choose your band and join the charge on New Years Day. A nation expects..." Might be worth a concentrated effort to see if we can get Hawkwind in the top 5! Get Voting! Cheers, Mick ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Dec 19 17:17:11 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:17:11 -0000 Subject: HW : Get Voting again Message-ID: Just nominated 'em. Fortunately, the "reason" field has quite a large size setting. Penned in there: 37 years of doing their own thing, spurning changes for mere commercial success whilst leading the way technologically and yet looking after their fans (private Hawkfests, special gigs like Magna), and always making time for those fans. The music is innovative - check the bands/artists who claim HW as an influence - and their gigs are an EVENT with music, band, lights, dancers, projected films, lasers, mime artists, fire-eaters and all manner of special guests, from Lemmy to Dumpy and Matthew Wright to Sam Fox. Not many could claim to form an Hawkestra from past members! Oh - and I like 'em a bit. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: Re: HW : Get Voting again > BBC Radio 2 website - > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/battleofthebands_home.shtml > > > It says - > > "BEST BRITISH BAND? > Radio 2's Music Club proudly presents a musical event > - your chance to pick five of the greatest British > bands of all time and then pitch them against each > other in all out battle. > > Nominate your favourite band right now for the Great > British shortlist and then listen to Radio 2 on New > Year's Day (1300-1600) when we'll throw open the > debate in a three hour live show. > > We'll invite you to vote and tell us who you think > should win and why! There'll be surprise celebrity > nominations and the best music from all the five > bands. > > So choose your band and join the charge on New Years > Day. > > A nation expects..." > > Might be worth a concentrated effort to see if we can > get Hawkwind in the top 5! > > Get Voting! > > > Cheers, > Mick > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" - The Wall Street Journal > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 19/12/2006 13:17 > > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Dec 19 18:39:10 2006 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:39:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind - Holmfirth Magna and beyond Message-ID: There is something in this universe called Hawkwind phase space - a series of actions that makes up one finite event but those actions do not happen coherently or in the same order as in the normal world and sometimes have most unexpected consequences.... Usually this only occurs during a Hawkwind gig but something strange was already happening the instant I discovered my Holmfirth ticket was in Edinburgh rather than in Yorkshire and that the venue was sold out and I couldn't get another. Panic! But my enormous gratitude to Dave Kris and Marie who trusted me. Thank you all! Holmirth's is a curious venue - reasonable size with the back area given over to bar, a middle section laid out as cinema-type seating and an open area in front of the stage that was soon mobbed. The stage is high and although not wide enough for dancers there was a surprisingly good sound and not too loud. Lots of hilarity on stage - with what seemed to be a certain amount of missed-cues but it was relaxed and just as powerful as previous shows. A mixed crowd with reactions, interestingly, that seemed to differ according to the last occasion they had heard a live Hawkwind gig - clearly a problem of far too many interacting timelines! One (young) group near me hated Robot (which in honesty seemed to have lost the sense of menace I heard at earlier gigs) but were mesmerised by Hassan I Sahba "Awesome!" and delighted with Motorhead. Did I miss the "Midsummer Night's Dream" rendition here? I honestly don't remember hearing it! But it was a splendid show and after an excellent late night real ale (good Yorkshire venue) a strange walk back along a dark steep-sided valley to my B&B and a 4-poster bed. And the strangeness continued with a rickety train journey to Rotherham through fog so dense the landscape vanished into grey timeless haze - an ethereal drift through endless vagueness with dark stations looming into view and receding again. And in this uncertainty I forgot Instructional Rule No.1 - in any Hawkwind travel experience if you have a choice between what it says on your train ticket and what the internet tells you ALWAYS TRUST THE INTERNET. Change at Doncaster indeed! There are undoubtedly many places you can get to from Doncaster but Rotherham is not (easily) one of them and an age was wasted on this floating ambiguous between-worlds environment drifting from one platform to another according to the whims of whoever I asked advice from while endless streams of trains came and went - none of them of any use! Eventually I jumped onto some random train that emerged somewhere more useful - but by now... you know how it is. You're late for the gig - you can hear Hawkwind playing - sound pouring out of the front door and you know you are even worse than late. Magna is Vast - Enormous beyond belief - its Immensity dwarfing the small group of silver space-suited figures gathered smoking by the front entrance - the sound of Hawkwind echoing everywhere throughout the whole place. I rush in anxious not to miss anything more - collect official things from someone in authority at the desk - completely fail to realise that Kris is also standing there (sorry!) - wander vaguely down a huge corridor drawn onwards by the Hawkwind sound clutching costume I haven't even put on yet - emerge into a dark immensely cavernous hall with far overhead a gigantic steel hook that once swung moulten foundry metal across the vast high spaces above me. Someone else in authority waves me across and "gives" me something - the noise is overwhelming - friends appear in silver swirling hooded gowns beckoning me deeper in among strange robots, silver clones, grey faced aliens, elegant space ladies and an occasional human being - while on stage Hawkwind are playing - normal Humans but dressed even more bizarrely in thick sweaters, green Burberry coats and woolly hats. The whole thing is just too strange to cope with. There is a short break - I rush to change (dirty white overalls and grey painted mask are ok!). Hawkwind are playing again so I rush back - I cannot for the life of me remember what the track was but the quality of sound is astonishing. There's another break for food and I travel with some friends down through normal spacetime into a local Weatherspoons pub** . The timeline slows - an air of tranquil ordinariness returns and someone explains - gently - that the second item I was "given" actually needs to be paid for! Ooops. Sorry Nick. Truly, I was utterly bemused and not anywhere in the real world at that point. Completely sober though. Honest! But that may have been the problem 8-) Going back its easier - chat to Bernhard and some others and be amazed by the creativity of the costumes - the best of which are duly rewarded by prizes and then Hawkwind start their set. Superb sound but oh so strange - to stand close right up against the stage where I can never normally be - surrounded by dancing robots and wierd life forms with a light display that swirls around the ceiling and the walls echoing (if that makes sense) the vision of flames and seething metal. Stunning. And then it ends and there's just darkness and the rattling of extractor fans and figures drifting around slowing returning to human form and getting into taxis and going home. Hawk phase space is closed again and the time gear returns to normal. Goodnight all - and thanks! jill ** the story I heard of how J.K. Weatherspoon got its name is truly entertaining. ============================================== Jill Strobridge ============================================== From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 20 09:02:59 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:02:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Political messages In-Reply-To: <001201c71fab$617fe9b0$6600a8c0@PC1> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 10:12:13AM -0800, Chris Owen typed out: > Hi Jon, > > I think you may be getting a bit over cynical there! It wouldn't be the first time, fear not ;-) > I do appreciate the irony of the Hawkwind Passports although there is probably > good reason why they want to know who will be coming to private events. One could argue that it's been forced on them by the kind of over-regulation that's stopped so many other British festivals, and that would be fair enough. I'm not trying to suggest a sinister agenda here or anything. > Ultimately, I do think the music is most important but the message in the lyrics > is also important and I happen to sympathise with 95% of it, especially the inconvenient truth. > I am an engineer myself and so I am against ludditism, but then Hawkwind were always known for > not being against new technology and for not being afraid taking the latest musical equipment > and using it however they wished. Hawkwind's own adoption of technology has always been a credit to them; their attitudes to technology of bigger import than synthesizers has sometimes been a bit more ambiguous though. Ron Tree's fulminations about genetic modification are perhaps a bit of a one-off, but the difficult zone of sentient robots and other self-aware machines, and cloning, `Earth City'... Both Calvert and Brock have tended to see two edges to matters of technological progress I think. > As for "stop the world I want a ticket to get off" well we will need a space program to do that > as well as a new home to go to; Planet Hawking? Planet Hawkwind? Planet Viridian? We are at least getting *closer* to being able to build personal spacecraft :-) > Everything was just about quality of life and natural morality and fairness and justice but I ran out of time and money! I have similar misgivings about that as I do about Mike's solution to be honest; it could work as long as everyone within it remained ideologically committed to it, but as soon as a body of people get the idea that they could advantage themselves at the cost of others, it's doomed IMO. This sort of problem with being `rightly guided' is why we keep coming back to creaking uncomfortable solutions like democracy to keep that element well tied down... Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Dec 20 09:51:30 2006 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Procol Harum's copyright case news In-Reply-To: <20061220140259.GI22218@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Big news about a big song from bbc news site below. This is why it's always best to credit the whole group with writing credit. ---- Matthew Fisher, a founding member of 1960s rock group Procol Harum, has won a High Court battle over who wrote their hit song A Whiter Shade of Pale. He played organ on the 1967 hit and argued he wrote the distinctive organ melody. Mr Justice Blackburne ruled he was entitled to 40% of the copyright. Fisher, from London, had wanted half but the court decided lead singer Gary Brooker's input was more substantial. Fisher's claim for back royalties - of up to ?1m - was also rejected. For almost 40 years, the song has been credited to lead singer Gary Brooker and lyricist Keith Reid. If Matthew Fisher's name ends up on my song, then mine can come off Gary Brooker, Procol Harum singer "I find that the organ solo is a distinctive and significant contribution to the overall composition and, quite obviously, the product of skill and labour on the part of the person who created it," the judge said. Now a computer programmer, Fisher said the organ solo was inspired by composer Bach but he also had "his own ideas in his head." The 60-year-old said he made chord changes to the original Brooker sequence and added to the work with a counterpoint to the song melody. Mr Justice Blackburne, who studied both music and law at Cambridge - followed a transcribed music score during the several occasions the song was played in court. Brooker defended his claim to be the sole writer of the tune, which still provides him with royalties - boosted by its recent popularity in the mobile ringtone market. The singer, who still fronts Procol Harum, faces paying a large part of the legal costs estimated at around ?500,000. 'Unspoken resentment' In a statement, Brooker said his former bandmate had no right to be credited as a writer of the song: "If Matthew Fisher's name ends up on my song, then mine can come off!" He added: "It's hard to believe that I've worked with somebody on and off since 1967 whilst they hid such unspoken resentment. "I'm relieved the trial is over, but my faith in British justice is shattered." Outside the court, Fisher insisted his case was not about the money, and he said he doubted whether he would ever play the song in public again. He added: "I think I can assume that from now on I'm not going to be on Gary and Keith's Christmas card lists but I think that's a small price to pay for finally securing my rightful place in rock and roll history. "I'd just like to say that it's a great pity that this matter could not have been resolved amicably." The judge granted Brooker permission to appeal. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 21 17:26:45 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:26:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Procol Harum's copyright case news In-Reply-To: <20061220095130.k2pxvel6owwks4oo@www.webmail.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 09:51:30AM -0500, Jason M. Scruton typed out: > Big news about a big song from bbc news site below. This is why it's > always best to credit the whole group with writing credit. An equal share isn't always the answer either, though. Something I've quoted before, though I don't think it was here, is the notes from the remaster of Deep Purple's _Machine Head_ where, just after noting that despite the five-ways writing credits, actually Blackmore wrote six of the songs and Glover two, they then quote Roger Glover saying, "_Machine Head_ was the beginning of the bad period. It was coming because as far as the writing side of it was concerned we'd agreed at the outset that we were going to share everything five ways, because everything we wrote was part of a jam, and in those days we had nothing to lose. It's only when you realise how much money is involved in publishing that people turn round and say, `he had nothing to do with that and yet he's getting a lot of money for it'. Those kinds of things caused tension." And would you really want to try to break it down into shares for contribution? 5% for a solo, 20% for a melody line, 30% for lyrics, minimum 40% `finder's fee'? No perhaps not. Basically, if your band's OK with each other it'll work out and if they aren't, you have bigger problems I reckon, that will find some other way to come out. But it's a shame how money can polarise them I guess. Actually, that reminds me... but that's probably better in another post. Yours, Jon ObCD: Ten Benson - _Satan Kidney Pie_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Dec 21 22:16:49 2006 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:16:49 -0800 Subject: OFF: Procol Harum's copyright case news In-Reply-To: <20061221222645.GE4793@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: I think I back the organist on that one. Gary Brooker says that he wrote the song, well yeah he may have written the song's melody but the organ is pretty much a part of the song. For instance: Pete Townshend has songwriting credit for most of the Who's songs. Did he tell Entwhistle and/or Moon what to do on each song? I doubt it. As distinct as their parts are... Bill Wyman also came up with some pretty good bass parts but most of the Stones' songs are credited to the Glimmer Twins. Etc. etc. etc. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 09:51:30AM -0500, Jason M. Scruton typed out: > Big news about a big song from bbc news site below. This is why it's > always best to credit the whole group with writing credit. An equal share isn't always the answer either, though. Something I've quoted before, though I don't think it was here, is the notes from the remaster of Deep Purple's _Machine Head_ where, just after noting that despite the five-ways writing credits, actually Blackmore wrote six of the songs and Glover two, they then quote Roger Glover saying, "_Machine Head_ was the beginning of the bad period. It was coming because as far as the writing side of it was concerned we'd agreed at the outset that we were going to share everything five ways, because everything we wrote was part of a jam, and in those days we had nothing to lose. It's only when you realise how much money is involved in publishing that people turn round and say, `he had nothing to do with that and yet he's getting a lot of money for it'. Those kinds of things caused tension." And would you really want to try to break it down into shares for contribution? 5% for a solo, 20% for a melody line, 30% for lyrics, minimum 40% `finder's fee'? No perhaps not. Basically, if your band's OK with each other it'll work out and if they aren't, you have bigger problems I reckon, that will find some other way to come out. But it's a shame how money can polarise them I guess. Actually, that reminds me... but that's probably better in another post. Yours, Jon ObCD: Ten Benson - _Satan Kidney Pie_ -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 08:33:28 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:33:28 GMT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 14 Dec 2006 to 15 Dec 2006 (#2006-291) In-Reply-To: Chris Owen's message of Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:00:00 -0800 Message-ID: Chris Owen writes: > Hi M, Is that Mike or? > I guess that just about raps it up for idealism! If we cant dream and > hope for a better world then for sure we will never get one. That's not my view at all. I'm quite an idealist in fact. The thing is that simply producing a laundry list of wishes isn't a very practical way either to design a new society or to figure out the even more difficult problem of how to move from the current society towards some sort of utopian ideal. The main problem in this is of course people themselves. What's utopia to you might well be hell for someone else. For example I get the impression that you'd ban weaponry. That rules your idea out for me as utopia because even if everything is hearts and flowers, I still believe people should have the right to say "no!" and the wherewithal to make that count, and that involves personal weaponry sufficient to discourage folks that might feel ready to use force to make you do something for your own good or for the alleged good of "Utopia". Conversely you might think that the freedom to go and buy a Blaster is inimical to any Utopia. So now we both have the problem of figuring out how to meake each other as happy as is practicable in our versions of Utopia. Once we've figured that out, there's something like six billion other people with whom to repeat the exercise... > You will notice however that I did not say I would have forced > anyone to do what they dont want to do. So if I wanted sixty kids and a gun collection, that'd be just fine and dandy? > These were simply things > that the people of Viridian would all agree make for a better > world. As I get older I know less and less, but one thing I do know for sure is that once you get more than a couple of hundred people, they'll never all agree on very much at all for any serious length of time, particularly if it involves them giving something up for some other people's idea of Utopia. > I still think there is a chance that we could make a better > world and a starting point would be if could describe or define what > one would look like. So do I. > Obviously the first thing we would aim for in no more war You see, I'm just not so sure about that. War is a Good Thing when it involves stopping a bunch of people organising and deciding that theey'll start forcing another group of folks to start living somewheere else, stop living at all, start living by some moral code they don't adhere to, quit collecting guns, porn, money, and any number of things that any one person might not like another person enjoying doing. The sad fact of the matter is that sometimes bullies need punched, and sometimes it takes a Big Punch to get the message across that when you say "NO, I will not adopt Sharia law, The Code of Moses, or whatever" you mean business. Serious military hardware is really the best way of making that Big Punch felt. > so no need > for H Bombs tanks and military. You dont have to blow someones head > off to get what you want. I believe that the best example of what I > am describing is how Ghandi was able to change his world by just > sitting down in the road. That worked by moral embarassment. Not everyone gets morally embarassed. For example I suspect that sitting in the road in Zimbabwe and protesting about the Right to Eat (the state has destroyed agriculture and most of the economy and nicks the food aid to give to Party supporters) would just get our Ghandi-style hero's hands chopped off, if not actually her head. Conversely, I suspect that if everyone in Zimbabwe had guns'n'ammunition, Mugabe might have discovered it prudent to at least feign moral embarassment and reign in some of his more lunatic schemes. Certainly if I could, I'd rather send a handgun to a Zimbabwean peasant than a goat, but strangely Oxfam don't seem to offer that facility. It's a crying shame really. > I must say that these Bush years have really knocked my belief that > mankind can do better though. Even wars have to be run competently. The message wwent out to everyone in the runup that Bush and company only wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. The they took out anyone who could do the job and put in useless yes men. Everyone kept reporting that things were just dandy and Rumsfeld et al believed it because they wanted to. Now it's a grade A fuckup and if we're lucky we'll see Iraq split into three countries with only a few hundred thousand more murdered by other Iraqis seeking their own vision of Utopia and discovering folks next door rather against it. > Or perhaps I am getting too old and tired to dream of better things. It's easier to get cynical when you get older because you've seen some of the shit that some of the scummier folks in our species will pull. Try to maintain your idealism nevertheless. It's good for the heart and spirit. Have a great holiday! Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 08:37:37 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:37:37 GMT Subject: Pubs before gigs? In-Reply-To: Guy's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: Guy writes: > Hi, > I am new to the list, although I have used it as a source of information > for some time. I am going to the Astoria gig (my first since > Hawkestra!) and would love to have a drink with someone first, time > permitting. I don't actually know many Hawkwind fans and will be coming > on my own... Damn. I was already away on the tour. It's usually The Angel, which is quite near the gig. I'd say see you there next year, but I heard The Astoria won't be open and so presumably the Solstice Party will be elsewhere. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 08:40:37 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:40:37 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind political messages In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:19:56 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > > Not all of us anarchists are pacifists. > And this stage of the argument goes, `if everyone's armed how do > you stop people using force to coerce others', the answer comes, `if > everybody's armed they can make sure such people don't get to do it > twice', and the historian in me looks at briefly-successful anarchies, > all of which got stamped out by bigger coercive organisations, and says, > `but to make that work, *everywhere's* got to be anarchist at the same > time and then continue to reject the possibility of organising *against* > other groups for a bigger slice of local resources! How can you hope to > make this stick without the very kind of righteous absolutist army that, > for example, fought the Crusades?' Buggered if I know. At least if we got there, we could just start shooting people when they aspired to be politicians, or locking them up out of harm's way. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 22 08:43:47 2006 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:43:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: PINKFAIRIES AT THE ROUNDHOUSE ON 22.1.07 In-Reply-To: <000501c717a9$9a8be600$0302a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 01:39:17PM -0000, Dave Bottomley typed out: > FYI - this just in from the man himself:- > THAT'S RIGHT, THEY ARE BACK TOGETHER, FOR ONE SHOW ONLY ON 22ND JANUARY 07 > > SEE WEBSITES FOR DETAILS > > www.pinkfairies.co.uk and > www.theroundhouse.org.uk Something I was meaning to canvass opinion on, but forgot. If you navigate through the first of those webpages to where Mr Wallis actually discourses about the gig, he writes: "Oh yeah, an airplane ticket is being bought for a gunslinger from outta town, who`s help on these kinda occasions has always proved invaluable in the past, but we`ll only bring him on if the joint is sold out. He don`t need no steeeeenkin` half-assed rooms amigos." Now my first thought was that this must be Mick Farren, because of the Wild West references mainly, but then I realised that that's kind of Larry Wallis's natural idiom, and besides the full-house condition sounds unusually prima donna for Mick, who'll happily play to a bookshop with four people in it. Now as soon as I say prima donna, of course there springs to mind Twink, but I was under the impression that Larry was having no more to do with him because he is "the most unstable madman in the history of the Universe", as he put it in the interview where I understood this from. So now I'm not sure whom they mean. Twink might well only come on if the house was full because he is, er, difficult about profit-sharing or so I am advised, so that sounds likely, but. Hell, I don't even know which to *hope* for :-) Any ideas or information? Yours, Jon -- "When fortune wanes, of what assistance are quantities of elephants?" (Juvaini, Afghan Muslim chronicler, c. 1206) Jon Jarrett, Fitzwilliam Museum, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 08:50:21 2006 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:50:21 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Political messages In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:02:59 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > I have similar misgivings about that as I do about Mike's > solution to be honest Hell, even on a good day *I* have misgivings about it. Most utopias require some faith in most humans to do the right thing most of the time. You only have to see something like the Ipswich thing to shake your faith in that. If only the first prostitute had had a gun and said "NO!" effectively. It's dangerous work they're doing. They deserve the tools to promote Health and Safety in the workplace! In this case they could even have improved on their normal social work and removed the perp from our misery. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 22 08:53:50 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:53:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: PINKFAIRIES AT THE ROUNDHOUSE ON 22.1.07 In-Reply-To: <20061222134347.GF4793@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 22/12/2006 13:43, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > besides the full-house condition > sounds unusually prima donna for Mick, who'll happily play to a bookshop > with four people in it. And I have been in that bookshop :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Dec 22 09:02:40 2006 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:02:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Procol Harum's copyright case news In-Reply-To: <688647.34340.qm@web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tough call. It's hard to tell, before the track has even escaped the mixing process, which bits are going to be seen as integral and significant parts of the song 30 years later. I think the best that can be done is get everyone involved to agree something relatively ironclad from the outset because otherwise it just leads to these bad-karma court cases years later. And if the people involved are to confused in the moment to pay close attention to the technicalities, well, what can you do? That's just Darwin at work, I fear .... Mercifully, as a highly non-professional musician, I can just slap a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike license on it and forget about it. :) And hope that in the unlikely event that anyone makes a lot of money violating the license, maybe there would be enough money at stake for a fancy lawyer to sue them for their ungroovy violation and enough left over after paying the fancy lawyer for a beer ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Dec 22 09:33:57 2006 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:33:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Procol Harum's copyright case news In-Reply-To: <458BE580.6060308@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > anyone makes a lot of money violating the license, maybe there would be > enough money at stake for a fancy lawyer to sue them for their ungroovy > violation and enough left over after paying the fancy lawyer for a beer > ;) that makes me think of Meltzer's On the Road (again), speaking of lawyers and devils and general law enforcement: like they'd kill you worse than cops or buy you a beer, two beers if they knew what you were thinkin' about their lookin' like the devil or killing you or buying you beers but no beer at this stop so it's only devil, killing... Spittin' image of copyright abuses. J. From tangledwoof at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Dec 22 14:49:06 2006 From: tangledwoof at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Magna Pictures Message-ID: I've put some new pics up on my website http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm Enjoy, Alan From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 22 15:21:31 2006 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:21:31 -0000 Subject: Magna Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cool Alan, very cool ;-) Mark Alan Taylor wrote at: 22 December 2006 19:49 I've put some new pics up on my website http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm Enjoy, Alan From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Dec 22 15:49:07 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:49:07 -0000 Subject: Magna Pictures Message-ID: Excellent pictures Alan - it certainly made a change to see all of the band dressed more normally than the audience! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: HW: Magna Pictures > I've put some new pics up on my website > > http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm > > Enjoy, > Alan > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/597 - Release Date: 21/12/2006 18:45 > > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Dec 22 17:47:15 2006 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:47:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Magna Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great pics Alan!! Thanks for sharing 'em Mick --- Alan Taylor wrote: > I've put some new pics up on my website > > http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm > > Enjoy, > Alan > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From chrisow at SHAW.CA Sat Dec 23 19:46:24 2006 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Chris Owen) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:46:24 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Dec 2006 to 23 Dec 2006 (#2006-299) Message-ID: Hawkwind Political Messages.. Should we to be thankful for the small amount of political freedom we have this so called Freedom of choice. Super regulated, big brother is watching, we are trapped all on a socio economic rollercoaster to ultimate planetary disaster. I see precious little real freedom of choice here. Planet Viridian was just a collection of things which we could mostly agree on would make a better world. Small steps are the key, such as moving towards sustainable living and working out ways to limit population growth are things which I am sure everyone agrees make sense. A responsible government would not be afraid to confront the issues, propose solutions and encourage people to make changes on the personal corporate and national levels. Seasons Greetings! Chris From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 23 22:33:05 2006 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:33:05 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock, Alchemical & Drool Trough Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com DECEMBER 24, 2006: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES I've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #167), Alchemical Radio (show #4), and Drool Trough Radio (show #55). See the playlists below. Aural Innovations broadcasts 24 hours a day in hi and lo bandwidth Mp3 and RealAudio editions. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this past week: Paul Didge - The Albino Aborigine (fusion of didgeridoo and electronica) For details and ordering information you can go directly to the online store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #167) Carlos Peron ? ?The Golden Machine? (45 Years Perry Rhodan: Operation Stardust) Islo Mob ? ?Kaffee und Kuchen? (from 45 Years Perry Rhodan: Operation Stardust) Astrid Pr?ll ? ?Torso? (from Astrid Proll) Krom Lek ? ?Top O? The Tor? (from From Long Meg to Glastonbury Tor) Zeitloop ? ?Lava? (from Stone Age) Mahamudra ? ?Palacio dos Espelhos? (from Alcintara) The Electric Family ? ?Royal Hunt? (from Royal Hunt) Black Sun Ensemble ? ?King of the Locust? (from Bolt of Apollo) The Ultimate Mushroom Band ? ?Rainforest Gnome Music Part 6? (from Rainforest Gnome Music) Mystery Christmas song Thru Black Holes Band ? ?Fireball Holocaust? (from U.F.O.) Thru Black Holes Band ? ?Refraction of Light? (from U.F.O.) Dark Sun ? ?Tobor? (from Astral Visions II) The Dolly Rocker Movement ? ?Enter The Mod Machine?/?For Those Teary Eyes? (from A Purple Journey Into The Mod Machine) The Flowers of Hell ? ?Sympathy For Vengence? (from The Flowers of Hell) Mystery Christmas song The Best of Alchemical Radio Volume 4 Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends at Pet Hippy Productions and features an excellent assortment of Progressive Rock, Psychedelia and much much more. (Alchemical Radio Theme Tune by Dave Dill) Nevilluxury ? Hi Alien Cheese ? Everybody?s Gone Rick Ray ? Distorted Faces Part 2 Daevid Allen?s University Of Errors ? If You Are Changing Tidal Flood ? 7 Tide Pineapple Thief ? Whatever You Do, Do Nothing Tidal Flood ? Tidal Hue No Means No ? Hello Goodbye Clear Blue Sky ? 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(from Location) Misty Roses ? ?New World? (from Monster Zero) Charles Rice Goff III ? ?Classical Jingle Bells (from Five Jingle Bells) The Coma Lillies ? ?Grab a Fork Micron (circumcised)? (from Memento Mori) G?denl?wd ? ?Malice in Wonderland? (from Good and Loud) The Cheebacabra ? ?March of the Biomorphs? (from Exile in the Woods) Bronx Cheerleader ? ?Unseen Hand? (from Tough Guy Cliches) Father Beard ? ?The Voyage Out? (from The Voyage Out) Old Million Eye ? ?Down There? (from Old Million Eye) The S-1 Committee ? ?Dream of Life (Do They Wanna Die?)? (from The S-1 Committee) The Panic Attacks ? ?Ghost? (from Your New Life Starts Now) Miss Violetta Beau Regarde ? ?The Unbearable Lightness of a Farm Tractor? (from Odi Profanum Vulgus et Arceo) Lowlight ? ?It?s Already Over? (from Amoraphobia) The Glorious Dead ? ?I Don?t Want To Be Me? (from News of the World) Charles Rice Goff III ? ?Noisy Jingle Bells (from Five Jingle Bells) http://Aural-Innovations.com From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun Dec 24 08:17:26 2006 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry G) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:17:26 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind mention In-Reply-To: <20061218191956.GA22218@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Just came across this. down at the bottom of the page. http://samba.org/samba/news/articles/low_point/column11.html From chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Mon Dec 25 12:23:09 2006 From: chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaos Illumination) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:23:09 -0000 Subject: HW - Alien spotters guide Message-ID: Hi all, As promised here are some alien / android photos from Magna. http://blog.myspace.com/chaosillumination Oh yeah - and a very merry xmas to you all. x Marie www.myspace.com/chaosillumination From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Dec 25 13:11:53 2006 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:11:53 +0000 Subject: HW - Alien spotters guide Message-ID: cool :) ----- Ori it looks like scenes from the Alien movies.... cool :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Chaos Illumination To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Monday, 25 December, 2006 6:23:09 PM Subject: HW - Alien spotters guide Hi all, As promised here are some alien / android photos from Magna. http://blog.myspace.com/chaosillumination Oh yeah - and a very merry xmas to you all. x Marie www.myspace.com/chaosillumination Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Dec 27 18:49:06 2006 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:49:06 -0000 Subject: HW - Alien spotters guide Message-ID: He he ........ that's me in piccies 23 and 24 (with the QR on my chest)....... Excellent piccies of an excellent day, Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaos Illumination" To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: HW - Alien spotters guide Hi all, As promised here are some alien / android photos from Magna. http://blog.myspace.com/chaosillumination Oh yeah - and a very merry xmas to you all. x Marie www.myspace.com/chaosillumination -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.27/602 - Release Date: 25/12/2006 10:19 From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Dec 30 17:06:13 2006 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:06:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Magna Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Enjoyed! I loved that day and it was good to see you there! I thought the show more intence than London two days later, Robot was missing the scarey Robot overdub and richard nearly made me drop one during that song at Magna,,,honest! Happy new number!to all!! Huw was F'ing greatat The astoria.Got good photos on phone but dunno what to do?Al >From: Alan Taylor >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Magna Pictures >Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:49:06 -0500 > >I've put some new pics up on my website > >http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hawkphotos.htm > >Enjoy, >Alan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving ? check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com