From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Thu Sep 1 02:11:57 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:11:57 -0500 Subject: CD Promo - help! Message-ID: I have yet to receive my promo CD. I'm wondering if other midwestern USA people have received them yet.... Arin and Rich? John Majka jmajk at indy.rr.com > Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all > the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got > one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - > certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). > > Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's heading > south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked me to check on > his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still > to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest > I would guess. > > He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) > > Can anyone help? > > thanks! > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > >> Stephe writes: >> >>> Selling it is wrong, and I think any >>> fan who does it should be shot in the head. >> >> Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. >> >> >> FoFP >> >> From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Thu Sep 1 04:52:59 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:52:59 EDT Subject: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) Message-ID: 2 tickets going spare for soho launch-work cropped up unexpectantly- just give the name mick davis at the door From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Thu Sep 1 05:15:37 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 05:15:37 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 26 Aug 2005 to 27 Aug 2005 (#2005-223) Message-ID: sorry- meant colin ! x From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 1 06:03:08 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 06:03:08 -0400 Subject: CD Promo - help! Message-ID: Hi John, I'm in Cleveland area and I got mine over a week ago. If yours was in the same batch it should have gotten there. Cheers Stephe > I have yet to receive my promo CD. I'm wondering if other midwestern USA > people have received them yet.... Arin and Rich? > John Majka > jmajk at indy.rr.com > > > > Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all > > the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got > > one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - > > certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). > > > > Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's heading > > south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked me to check on > > his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still > > to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest > > I would guess. > > > > He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > thanks! > > jill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > > > > >> Stephe writes: > >> > >>> Selling it is wrong, and I think any > >>> fan who does it should be shot in the head. > >> > >> Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. > >> > >> > >> FoFP > >> > >> From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Sep 1 07:23:38 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:23:38 +0100 Subject: Off: CD promo - help! Message-ID: --- Weil Frank-CFW001 wrote: > I have not gotten mine either, but I figured that > maybe that was a > combination of being in the USA and having a last > name starting far down > the alphabet. >Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:58:02 -0700 >From: gary shindler >Subject: Re: CD Promo - help! >I'm a Shindler in the U.S. and I got two copies last >week. You must be on Schindlers (mailing) list! regards Maxine From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 1 09:11:27 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:11:27 -0500 Subject: CD Promo - help! In-Reply-To: <001701c5aebc$11c2a220$6601a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, John Majka wrote: :Subject: Re: CD Promo - help! : :I have yet to receive my promo CD. I'm wondering if other midwestern USA :people have received them yet.... Arin and Rich? John, We got ours last week. Pop email through to the listed address on the site and make sure it was sent? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From coral at APORT.RU Thu Sep 1 10:13:13 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:13:13 +0400 Subject: HW: Mid week charts? Message-ID: Hi, are there midweek charts in UK? Can we look at them to check if HW singles there?.. Alisa From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Sep 1 10:19:52 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:19:52 -0700 Subject: HW: Launch event... Message-ID: Hi Folx... This is almost blogging, 'cause I'm just 100 m down the street from the Borderline in Soho where the Launch Party is just gradually wrapping up. Wow...lots of fun. I didn't even know I could get in until yesterday when Kris emailed me personally to say she would put me on the list. Thanks Kris! I thought it would just be a lowkey affair with a few dozen people in a quiet cafe atmosphere with the new album playing over the PA. That last part was right, for the first 90 minutes, but there were about 150 people in there or so. Thank GOD it wasn't held yesterday, when the temps here in London were 32C (90F)...because it's underground, the air circulation is a bit restricted you might say. Anyway, the stage was set up with gear and lighting and all, which was a bit of a surprise, so I thought that HW were really going to play live. But then the bass was obviously not a Ricky, and the guitar was a black Epiphone, so it turned out to be Spacehead's gear. That was cool enough, 'cause I didn't expect any live music at 2 in the afternoon! Anyway, they gave out free complimentary drinks at the bar for the first 45 minutes or so (which was extra nice), but then eventually hit some sort of pre-arranged limit and those who wanted another one (or three) then had to shell out a couple quid per. They also had some champagne and sandwiches and Horse Doovers. Plus free posters to have signed by the band. Pete Pracowiak (sp?) was there (I think) and was signing stuff as well. And Matthew Wright too. So Spacehead came on and played a few very nice spacey numbers, the first of which was apparently improv. Then Richard came up and took over on drums and the Keef-Dibsy-Richard Trio launched into an excellent version of "You Shouldn't Do That." But I think that was just done as an excuse to coerce Dave, Alan, and Jason to also participate, and begrudgingly they relented and the full Hawkwind came aboard the ship. Mr. Wright jumped up to do a nice intro and then HW proper did a sizzling "Brainbox Pollution" and then (after some deliberation...and amazingly seeming to go with my personal suggestion of "Paradox"...I happened to be standing directly in front of Keef during Spacehead's set, so I ended up by default directly in front of Dave...he nearly hit me in the face with the end of the guitar at one point) a wonderful extended version of "Paradox" (double guitar solos from Dave). Funniest thing was that Dave kept asking Keef what the hell each of the pedals and switches on his guitar were supposed to do. On the way to the show, I stopped in the Oxford Street HWV and bought two copies each (a set also for my brother in the states) of the two singles (two quid apiece), and managed to get them signed by all four members and Mr. Wright as well (who was very nice to me, even though I had to tell him that I really didn't know who he was, not being a UK resident or anything). I walked into the Borders and Virgin stores on the same street just to see if they had them in stock as well, but sadly neither did. Oh, well, Voiceprint is hardly a major label. HMV had six or seven copies each prominently displayed in the singles bins, though not yet up on the big wall of Hit New Releases (maybe next week?!). So that seemed pretty good at least. Oh, last night, I made it up to Hampstead to see the Robert Calvert play about Jimi Hendrix experience in the military. That was quite interesting. The play was actually pretty interesting, and the acting (just two actors, Jimi himself and his commanding sergeant) was impressive. Only about an hour long, but that was about the right length for the material. It was really interesting to see how many familiar Calvert-isms from earlier/later Hawkwind songs there were. Obviously, since Hendrix was a paratrooper, there were moments quite similar to Free Fall/Over the top, but then also a little bit about Icarus, and a mention of the "vermillion deserts of Mars" (for some reason that I now forget), and then also some of the things in Uncle Sam's on Mars were in there as well (insights about American culture, like drum majorettes in white ankle socks, and two cars in the garage). The woman who produced the play back in 1976 was the one responsible for it again, and we (Jon J., Chris from Wales, and I etc.) talked to her for a bit after the show. I asked if she remembered if Calvert himself had ever gone skydiving (since he seemed to be so strongly attracted to it in his art), and she seemed to think that he had a number of times. I wondered also if he had ever done (or planned to do) a stage version of Cap'n Lockheed, and she didn't remember him ever planning that. Sad...I think that would be a great live event. HW should even consider doing it now, IMHO. But then the best opportunity to have done it would have been 2002 when Arthur was with them in a big way. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm on my way to Nottingham/Donnington tomorrow for Off the Tracks...hope to see some of you there. I thought about going to the Nukli/Invisible Opera Co. of Tibet show in Glastonbury instead, but the "45 Real Ales" advertised at Donnington was too strong a draw! :) Oh, by the way, there's a 2004 book about the history of Glasters out that I saw today, and there's a lot of reminiscing in the book done by both NikT and Tom Crimble. I didn't even know (until today) that he (Crimble) was one of the original organizers of Glasters. He also played there with his post-HW band called the Windfuckers or something. Weird. Well, tonight I'm off to Brixton to see Litmus, and then up north in the morning. Ciao zame...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline today, and it looked like something to have for sure. P.P.S. Apparently (?), the Heads are playing at Camden Underworld on Sunday night (the 4th) here in the London area, if anyone's interested. I wish I could come back down for it myself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 1 10:30:17 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:30:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) In-Reply-To: <65.4c9d9b92.30481b6b@aol.com> Message-ID: Well am I the first to report back from the TMTYL launch party? Arrived at about 12.15 hot as you like in there, dark little club with a good vibe though, fair few people that increased until about 1pm. Dave and Kris were the only noticable people, Alan and Richard seemed to wander in later. First beer was on HW which was nice, joined the queue to get Dave to sign the poster for the new album, spoke to Matthew Wright also and asked Dave would he be playing he said no way! Then got a signature from Alan who said Spacehead were playing and we'll see what happens! (Sounded promising). Spacehead played a jam, then Richard joined on drums and they did Shouldn't do that and then the pressure seemed to mount on Dave and Matthew intorduced them and they played Brainbox Pollution and Paradox. Great stuff, played spontaneously on Spaceheads equipment. I then had to leave to get back to work, but it was one of my better lunchtime breaks. Bit pi**ed as it goes. Eddie. >From: Mick Davis >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:52:59 EDT > >2 tickets going spare for soho launch-work cropped up unexpectantly- just >give the name mick davis at the door From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 1 10:50:01 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:50:01 -0500 Subject: Launch event/Hawkwind Good Luck Charm In-Reply-To: <20050901141952.9162.qmail@web51809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the report :-) Good to hear it all went well. Jealous. Just to prove Hawkwind are once again my good luck charm... I picked up the guitar to learn Paradox this morning, so strumming away, the telephone rings and... I was offered a job starting next week. I get to join the ranks of happy people who get 35% discount on SF Books (i.e. a Bookseller) Go Me... Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Keith Henderson Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:20 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Launch event... Hi Folx... This is almost blogging, 'cause I'm just 100 m down the street from the Borderline in Soho where the Launch Party is just gradually wrapping up. Wow...lots of fun. I didn't even know I could get in until yesterday when Kris emailed me personally to say she would put me on the list. Thanks Kris! I thought it would just be a lowkey affair with a few dozen people in a quiet cafe atmosphere with the new album playing over the PA. That last part was right, for the first 90 minutes, but there were about 150 people in there or so. Thank GOD it wasn't held yesterday, when the temps here in London were 32C (90F)...because it's underground, the air circulation is a bit restricted you might say. Anyway, the stage was set up with gear and lighting and all, which was a bit of a surprise, so I thought that HW were really going to play live. But then the bass was obviously not a Ricky, and the guitar was a black Epiphone, so it turned out to be Spacehead's gear. That was cool enough, 'cause I didn't expect any live music at 2 in the afternoon! Anyway, they gave out free complimentary drinks at the bar for the first 45 minutes or so (which was extra nice), but then eventually hit some sort of pre-arranged limit and those who wanted another one (or three) then had to shell out! a couple quid per. They also had some champagne and sandwiches and Horse Doovers. Plus free posters to have signed by the band. Pete Pracowiak (sp?) was there (I think) and was signing stuff as well. And Matthew Wright too. So Spacehead came on and played a few very nice spacey numbers, the first of which was apparently improv. Then Richard came up and took over on drums and the Keef-Dibsy-Richard Trio launched into an excellent version of "You Shouldn't Do That." But I think that was just done as an excuse to coerce Dave, Alan, and Jason to also participate, and begrudgingly they relented and the full Hawkwind came aboard the ship. Mr. Wright jumped up to do a nice intro and then HW proper did a sizzling "Brainbox Pollution" and then (after some deliberation...and amazingly seeming to go with my personal suggestion of "Paradox"...I happened to be standing directly in front of Keef during Spacehead's set, so I ended up by default directly in front of Dave...he nearly hit me in the face with the end of the guitar at one point) a wonderful extended version of "Paradox" (double guitar solos from Dave). Funniest thing was that Dave kept asking Keef what the hell each of the pedals and switches ! on his guitar were supposed to do. On the way to the show, I stopped in the Oxford Street HWV and bought two copies each (a set also for my brother in the states) of the two singles (two quid apiece), and managed to get them signed by all four members and Mr. Wright as well (who was very nice to me, even though I had to tell him that I really didn't know who he was, not being a UK resident or anything). I walked into the Borders and Virgin stores on the same street just to see if they had them in stock as well, but sadly neither did. Oh, well, Voiceprint is hardly a major label. HMV had six or seven copies each prominently displayed in the singles bins, though not yet up on the big wall of Hit New Releases (maybe next week?!). So that seemed pretty good at least. Oh, last night, I made it up to Hampstead to see the Robert Calvert play about Jimi Hendrix experience in the military. That was quite interesting. The play was actually pretty interesting, and the acting (just two actors, Jimi himself and his commanding sergeant) was impressive. Only about an hour long, but that was about the right length for the material. It was really interesting to see how many familiar Calvert-isms from earlier/later Hawkwind songs there were. Obviously, since Hendrix was a paratrooper, there were moments quite similar to Free Fall/Over the top, but then also a little bit about Icarus, and a mention of the "vermillion deserts of Mars" (for some reason that I now forget), and then also some of the things in Uncle Sam's on Mars were in there as well (insights about American culture, like drum majorettes in white ankle socks, and two cars in the garage). The woman who produced the play back in 1976 was the one responsible for it again, and we (Jon J.! , Chris from Wales, and I etc.) talked to her for a bit after the show. I asked if she remembered if Calvert himself had ever gone skydiving (since he seemed to be so strongly attracted to it in his art), and she seemed to think that he had a number of times. I wondered also if he had ever done (or planned to do) a stage version of Cap'n Lockheed, and she didn't remember him ever planning that. Sad...I think that would be a great live event. HW should even consider doing it now, IMHO. But then the best opportunity to have done it would have been 2002 when Arthur was with them in a big way. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm on my way to Nottingham/Donnington tomorrow for Off the Tracks...hope to see some of you there. I thought about going to the Nukli/Invisible Opera Co. of Tibet show in Glastonbury instead, but the "45 Real Ales" advertised at Donnington was too strong a draw! :) Oh, by the way, there's a 2004 book about the history of Glasters out that I saw today, and there's a lot of reminiscing in the book done by both NikT and Tom Crimble. I didn't even know (until today) that he (Crimble) was one of the original organizers of Glasters. He also played there with his post-HW band called the Windfuckers or something. Weird. Well, tonight I'm off to Brixton to see Litmus, and then up north in the morning. Ciao zame...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline today, and it looked like something to have for sure. P.P.S. Apparently (?), the Heads are playing at Camden Underworld on Sunday night (the 4th) here in the London area, if anyone's interested. I wish I could come back down for it myself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Sep 1 10:50:12 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:50:12 -0500 Subject: Mid week charts? In-Reply-To: <000901c5aeff$4a6c1d20$6fd9fea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: That'd be nice to know Alisa, there used to be, I think Dave Law mentioned it as well.. Dave.. and sign of the midweek charts?? Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alisa Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:13 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Mid week charts? Hi, are there midweek charts in UK? Can we look at them to check if HW singles there?.. Alisa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Sep 1 11:09:20 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:09:20 +0000 Subject: SLOTERDIJK/OEB seeking new website designer/webmaster/webmistress Message-ID: Hi Friends, As my life becomes more and more complicated, I've found it difficult to adequately maintain our websites. I'm wondering if there is anyone out there who might be interested in designing and maintaining a new site for SLOTERDIJK and/or The One Eyed Bishops? I'm afraid there's no money in it, but we would send you cds, pics, artwork, gig info etc. Please drop a line to sloterdijk at msn.com if interested...Mike Burro From steve.bishop at DB.COM Thu Sep 1 11:59:16 2005 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:59:16 -0400 Subject: TMTYL Launch Party Message-ID: Just got back from the launch party - what a great event ! Despite advice that HW would not play they played an impromptu set of Brainbox Pollution and Paradox after some great jamming from Spacehead including being joined by Richard for a version of Shouldn't Do That. HW were awesome, the venue was small and very hot but the band were really accessible, very friendly and very amenable to chatting. Really grateful for the chance to be there, have some brilliant memories for life. Have seen HW since 1980 but never on this 'intimate' a scale - feel very humble. Steve From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Sep 1 12:04:28 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:04:28 +0200 Subject: Launch event... In-Reply-To: <20050901141952.9162.qmail@web51809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this great review Keith !!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:20 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Launch event... Hi Folx... This is almost blogging, 'cause I'm just 100 m down the street from the Borderline in Soho where the Launch Party is just gradually wrapping up. Wow...lots of fun. I didn't even know I could get in until yesterday when Kris emailed me personally to say she would put me on the list. Thanks Kris! I thought it would just be a lowkey affair with a few dozen people in a quiet cafe atmosphere with the new album playing over the PA. That last part was right, for the first 90 minutes, but there were about 150 people in there or so. Thank GOD it wasn't held yesterday, when the temps here in London were 32C (90F)...because it's underground, the air circulation is a bit restricted you might say. Anyway, the stage was set up with gear and lighting and all, which was a bit of a surprise, so I thought that HW were really going to play live. But then the bass was obviously not a Ricky, and the guitar was a black Epiphone, so it turned out to be Spacehead's gear. That was cool enough, 'cause I didn't expect any live music at 2 in the afternoon! Anyway, they gave out free complimentary drinks at the bar for the first 45 minutes or so (which was extra nice), but then eventually hit some sort of pre-arranged limit and those who wanted another one (or three) then had to shell out! a couple quid per. They also had some champagne and sandwiches and Horse Doovers. Plus free posters to have signed by the band. Pete Pracowiak (sp?) was there (I think) and was signing stuff as well. And Matthew Wright too. So Spacehead came on and played a few very nice spacey numbers, the first of which was apparently improv. Then Richard came up and took over on drums and the Keef-Dibsy-Richard Trio launched into an excellent version of "You Shouldn't Do That." But I think that was just done as an excuse to coerce Dave, Alan, and Jason to also participate, and begrudgingly they relented and the full Hawkwind came aboard the ship. Mr. Wright jumped up to do a nice intro and then HW proper did a sizzling "Brainbox Pollution" and then (after some deliberation...and amazingly seeming to go with my personal suggestion of "Paradox"...I happened to be standing directly in front of Keef during Spacehead's set, so I ended up by default directly in front of Dave...he nearly hit me in the face with the end of the guitar at one point) a wonderful extended version of "Paradox" (double guitar solos from Dave). Funniest thing was that Dave kept asking Keef what the hell each of the pedals and switches ! on his guitar were supposed to do. On the way to the show, I stopped in the Oxford Street HWV and bought two copies each (a set also for my brother in the states) of the two singles (two quid apiece), and managed to get them signed by all four members and Mr. Wright as well (who was very nice to me, even though I had to tell him that I really didn't know who he was, not being a UK resident or anything). I walked into the Borders and Virgin stores on the same street just to see if they had them in stock as well, but sadly neither did. Oh, well, Voiceprint is hardly a major label. HMV had six or seven copies each prominently displayed in the singles bins, though not yet up on the big wall of Hit New Releases (maybe next week?!). So that seemed pretty good at least. Oh, last night, I made it up to Hampstead to see the Robert Calvert play about Jimi Hendrix experience in the military. That was quite interesting. The play was actually pretty interesting, and the acting (just two actors, Jimi himself and his commanding sergeant) was impressive. Only about an hour long, but that was about the right length for the material. It was really interesting to see how many familiar Calvert-isms from earlier/later Hawkwind songs there were. Obviously, since Hendrix was a paratrooper, there were moments quite similar to Free Fall/Over the top, but then also a little bit about Icarus, and a mention of the "vermillion deserts of Mars" (for some reason that I now forget), and then also some of the things in Uncle Sam's on Mars were in there as well (insights about American culture, like drum majorettes in white ankle socks, and two cars in the garage). The woman who produced the play back in 1976 was the one responsible for it again, and we (Jon J.! , Chris from Wales, and I etc.) talked to her for a bit after the show. I asked if she remembered if Calvert himself had ever gone skydiving (since he seemed to be so strongly attracted to it in his art), and she seemed to think that he had a number of times. I wondered also if he had ever done (or planned to do) a stage version of Cap'n Lockheed, and she didn't remember him ever planning that. Sad...I think that would be a great live event. HW should even consider doing it now, IMHO. But then the best opportunity to have done it would have been 2002 when Arthur was with them in a big way. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm on my way to Nottingham/Donnington tomorrow for Off the Tracks...hope to see some of you there. I thought about going to the Nukli/Invisible Opera Co. of Tibet show in Glastonbury instead, but the "45 Real Ales" advertised at Donnington was too strong a draw! :) Oh, by the way, there's a 2004 book about the history of Glasters out that I saw today, and there's a lot of reminiscing in the book done by both NikT and Tom Crimble. I didn't even know (until today) that he (Crimble) was one of the original organizers of Glasters. He also played there with his post-HW band called the Windfuckers or something. Weird. Well, tonight I'm off to Brixton to see Litmus, and then up north in the morning. Ciao zame...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline today, and it looked like something to have for sure. P.P.S. Apparently (?), the Heads are playing at Camden Underworld on Sunday night (the 4th) here in the London area, if anyone's interested. I wish I could come back down for it myself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Sep 1 17:00:22 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 01:00:22 +0400 Subject: HW Mid week charts? Message-ID: Can't find anything on the web... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Mid week charts? > That'd be nice to know Alisa, there used to be, I think Dave Law mentioned > it as well.. > > Dave.. and sign of the midweek charts?? > > Rich W > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alisa > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:13 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Mid week charts? > > > Hi, > > are there midweek charts in UK? Can we look at them to check if HW singles > there?.. > > Alisa > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Sep 1 17:28:54 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:28:54 +0100 Subject: Launch event... Message-ID: Sadly - no. It's only available from Amazon and HMV online - any other retailers including all land-based retailers are not having the limited editon version made available to them. There are 2000 being done and I would imagine that, at the rate of popularity the band seems to be achieving with all the media spotlights and pushing, it is now entirely possible that the 2000 will be sold online. You see, the fewer and chart outlets the thing goes through, the more likelihood it is to chart, and with Voiceprint being an indie label, it means that while the album now stands a chance of breaching the Top 50 of the National UK Charts, if you watch the National Indie Charts, it should go top ten or similar, the way things are shaping up, so I have to eat humble pie here as I never thought that the band could possibly achieve what they have set out to do in this case. Potential congratulations, I guess. I do feel peeved that we can't have the limited edition at CD Services, but once my emotions have calmed down and that little voice of reason takes over, I guess you can't argue with success!! So, dear boy, it's away to online Amazon or HMV with you. BUT...........at the risk of introducing a negative here - can you imagine what prices on Ebay this limited edition is going to go for!! I shudder at the thought - a shame because it slightly backfires all the good that's being done - but maybe that's a drop in the ocean after all. Meanwhile, back to the new Dead Earnest album, Psytrax 2, Spacehead's live CDR (for personal use only) and a new project from Krel that may just have you scratching your heads. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Henderson To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: HW: Launch event... > > P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline today, and it looked like something to have for sure. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Sep 1 17:32:10 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:32:10 +0100 Subject: Launch event/Hawkwind Good Luck Charm Message-ID: Congrats - a job is where it all begins (and sadly sometimes ends) Best of luck, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Launch event/Hawkwind Good Luck Charm > Thanks for the report :-) Good to hear it all went well. Jealous. > > Just to prove Hawkwind are once again my good luck charm... > > I picked up the guitar to learn Paradox this morning, so strumming away, the > telephone rings and... > > I was offered a job starting next week. > > I get to join the ranks of happy people who get 35% discount on SF Books > (i.e. a Bookseller) > > Go Me... > > Rich W > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Keith Henderson > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:20 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Launch event... > > > Hi Folx... > > This is almost blogging, 'cause I'm just 100 m down the street from the > Borderline in Soho where the Launch Party is just gradually wrapping up. > Wow...lots of fun. I didn't even know I could get in until yesterday when > Kris emailed me personally to say she would put me on the list. Thanks > Kris! > > I thought it would just be a lowkey affair with a few dozen people in a > quiet cafe atmosphere with the new album playing over the PA. That last > part was right, for the first 90 minutes, but there were about 150 people in > there or so. Thank GOD it wasn't held yesterday, when the temps here in > London were 32C (90F)...because it's underground, the air circulation is a > bit restricted you might say. Anyway, the stage was set up with gear and > lighting and all, which was a bit of a surprise, so I thought that HW were > really going to play live. But then the bass was obviously not a Ricky, and > the guitar was a black Epiphone, so it turned out to be Spacehead's gear. > That was cool enough, 'cause I didn't expect any live music at 2 in the > afternoon! Anyway, they gave out free complimentary drinks at the bar for > the first 45 minutes or so (which was extra nice), but then eventually hit > some sort of pre-arranged limit and those who wanted another one (or three) > then had to shell out! > a couple > quid per. They also had some champagne and sandwiches and Horse Doovers. > Plus free posters to have signed by the band. Pete Pracowiak (sp?) was > there (I think) and was signing stuff as well. And Matthew Wright too. > > So Spacehead came on and played a few very nice spacey numbers, the first of > which was apparently improv. Then Richard came up and took over on drums > and the Keef-Dibsy-Richard Trio launched into an excellent version of "You > Shouldn't Do That." But I think that was just done as an excuse to coerce > Dave, Alan, and Jason to also participate, and begrudgingly they relented > and the full Hawkwind came aboard the ship. Mr. Wright jumped up to do a > nice intro and then HW proper did a sizzling "Brainbox Pollution" and then > (after some deliberation...and amazingly seeming to go with my personal > suggestion of "Paradox"...I happened to be standing directly in front of > Keef during Spacehead's set, so I ended up by default directly in front of > Dave...he nearly hit me in the face with the end of the guitar at one point) > a wonderful extended version of "Paradox" (double guitar solos from Dave). > Funniest thing was that Dave kept asking Keef what the hell each of the > pedals and switches ! > on his > guitar were supposed to do. > > On the way to the show, I stopped in the Oxford Street HWV and bought two > copies each (a set also for my brother in the states) of the two singles > (two quid apiece), and managed to get them signed by all four members and > Mr. Wright as well (who was very nice to me, even though I had to tell him > that I really didn't know who he was, not being a UK resident or anything). > I walked into the Borders and Virgin stores on the same street just to see > if they had them in stock as well, but sadly neither did. Oh, well, > Voiceprint is hardly a major label. HMV had six or seven copies each > prominently displayed in the singles bins, though not yet up on the big wall > of Hit New Releases (maybe next week?!). So that seemed pretty good at > least. > > Oh, last night, I made it up to Hampstead to see the Robert Calvert play > about Jimi Hendrix experience in the military. That was quite interesting. > The play was actually pretty interesting, and the acting (just two actors, > Jimi himself and his commanding sergeant) was impressive. Only about an > hour long, but that was about the right length for the material. It was > really interesting to see how many familiar Calvert-isms from earlier/later > Hawkwind songs there were. Obviously, since Hendrix was a paratrooper, > there were moments quite similar to Free Fall/Over the top, but then also a > little bit about Icarus, and a mention of the "vermillion deserts of Mars" > (for some reason that I now forget), and then also some of the things in > Uncle Sam's on Mars were in there as well (insights about American culture, > like drum majorettes in white ankle socks, and two cars in the garage). The > woman who produced the play back in 1976 was the one responsible for it > again, and we (Jon J.! > , Chris > from Wales, and I etc.) talked to her for a bit after the show. I asked if > she remembered if Calvert himself had ever gone skydiving (since he seemed > to be so strongly attracted to it in his art), and she seemed to think that > he had a number of times. I wondered also if he had ever done (or planned > to do) a stage version of Cap'n Lockheed, and she didn't remember him ever > planning that. Sad...I think that would be a great live event. HW should > even consider doing it now, IMHO. But then the best opportunity to have > done it would have been 2002 when Arthur was with them in a big way. > > Anyway, enough rambling. I'm on my way to Nottingham/Donnington tomorrow > for Off the Tracks...hope to see some of you there. I thought about going > to the Nukli/Invisible Opera Co. of Tibet show in Glastonbury instead, but > the "45 Real Ales" advertised at Donnington was too strong a draw! :) Oh, > by the way, there's a 2004 book about the history of Glasters out that I saw > today, and there's a lot of reminiscing in the book done by both NikT and > Tom Crimble. I didn't even know (until today) that he (Crimble) was one of > the original organizers of Glasters. He also played there with his post-HW > band called the Windfuckers or something. Weird. > > Well, tonight I'm off to Brixton to see Litmus, and then up north in the > morning. > > Ciao zame...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD > releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. > They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline > today, and it looked like something to have for sure. > > P.P.S. Apparently (?), the Heads are playing at Camden Underworld on Sunday > night (the 4th) here in the London area, if anyone's interested. I wish I > could come back down for it myself. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Sep 1 17:33:03 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:33:03 +0100 Subject: Mid week charts? Message-ID: Yes - there is a midweek chart - how you access it and where, I have no idea , being no longer involved in chart-based retail. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Mid week charts? > That'd be nice to know Alisa, there used to be, I think Dave Law mentioned > it as well.. > > Dave.. and sign of the midweek charts?? > > Rich W > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alisa > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:13 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Mid week charts? > > > Hi, > > are there midweek charts in UK? Can we look at them to check if HW singles > there?.. > > Alisa From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Sep 1 17:38:45 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:38:45 +0100 Subject: Mid week charts? Message-ID: i think you have to be in the industry to have access to it popbitch usually print the midweek chart on its message board and mailout i have the mailout and no mention of hawkwind colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Mid week charts? > Yes - there is a midweek chart - how you access it and where, I have no > idea , being no longer involved in chart-based retail. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: Mid week charts? > > > > That'd be nice to know Alisa, there used to be, I think Dave Law mentioned > > it as well.. > > > > Dave.. and sign of the midweek charts?? > > > > Rich W > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Alisa > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:13 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: Mid week charts? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > are there midweek charts in UK? Can we look at them to check if HW singles > > there?.. > > > > Alisa > From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Thu Sep 1 17:41:48 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:41:48 EDT Subject: Mid week charts? Message-ID: try ukmusic.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Sep 1 17:46:43 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:46:43 +0100 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: thank you to everyone who replied and freely offered a copy of this. I've passed your messages on to Mike to await his return and Kris Tait has also kindly been in touch so the problem should soon be resolved 8-)) Gosh there are some nice people around! Thanks to all! Best wishes jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Thu Sep 1 17:45:48 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:45:48 EDT Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: ive got two spare copies if anyones interested From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 1 18:10:12 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:10:12 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > thank you to everyone who replied and freely offered a copy of > this. I've passed your messages on to Mike to await his return > and Kris Tait has also kindly been in touch so the problem should > soon be resolved 8-)) > > Gosh there are some nice people around! Thanks to all! > > Best wishes > jill > > ====================================== > Jill Strobridge > ====================================== From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 1 19:07:39 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:07:39 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! In-Reply-To: <000801c5af41$ec660090$049a4744@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:10 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? Only with Hawkfans? No offence, Stephe, but you need to meet the fans of other bands a bit more often. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Sep 1 19:12:22 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:12:22 +0100 Subject: HW SotA singles In-Reply-To: <000801c5af41$ec660090$049a4744@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Singles arrived from HMV today and Amazon advise CD 1 has been dispatched - CD2 still 5-6th Sep. Not had time to have a proper listen yet, but there is plenty of really beautiful guitar work from Dave - Hope TMTYL has too... Anyone know who plays the keyboards on Paradox? Is it Jason? or was it Dave or Alan - it goes really well with guitar. Mick ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Sep 1 19:28:56 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:28:56 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, that weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally different too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:10 -0400, Stephe wrote: >> Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? > > Only with Hawkfans? No offence, Stephe, but you need to meet the fans > of other bands a bit more often. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Sep 1 20:09:24 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 01:09:24 +0100 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: Porcupine Tree is the obvious - just as fanatical, just as friendly. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephe To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, that > weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally different > too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > > > > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:10 -0400, Stephe wrote: > >> Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? > > > > Only with Hawkfans? No offence, Stephe, but you need to meet the fans > > of other bands a bit more often. :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Sep 1 20:53:03 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:53:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Launch Pix Message-ID: + +++ + STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + A gallery of pictures from the Launch Party is now up on Mission Control: Direct URL: http://www.hawkwind.com/gigs/tmtyl/px1.htm ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + + www.hawkwind.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 1 23:39:38 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:39:38 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! In-Reply-To: <000601c5af4c$ec41d5c0$049a4744@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 19:28 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, that > weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally different > too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe Speaking from my own personal experience, I'd put Gov't Mule fans into that category. But I think many bands that have a strong touring emphasis that mixes up the setlist a lot to encourage fans to follow them on tour or at least catch multiple shows (I'm desperately trying to avoid using the term "jam bands" here:) will likely engender a good camaraderie amongst the fanbase. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 2 01:50:19 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 01:50:19 -0400 Subject: HW SotA singles Message-ID: Hi, I would imagine its Jason playing the piano part on paradox.Hes really put a very effective big stamp on the whole thing, just like Simon House does when hes playing.I think paradox, and the live version of assassins of Allah(come on, its "hassan i sahba"!, (with space is their palestine) in the middle,on this version) are the highlights of the 2 singles. Anyone notice ..(once again!)...a printing error???Down the spine of the cover of BOTH cd singles it says RADIO EDIT,even on the "live version" single! I imagine thats because they switched the cover pictures at the last minute, but...errr..forgot about the labelling on the spines! Pete From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Sep 2 06:20:46 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:20:46 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: Hi Paul, Never got into GM, so I can't say much. I was always into other things, so I suppose our different tastes make a big difference. Cheers Stephe > > Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, that > > weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally different > > too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe > > Speaking from my own personal experience, I'd put Gov't Mule fans into > that category. But I think many bands that have a strong touring > emphasis that mixes up the setlist a lot to encourage fans to follow > them on tour or at least catch multiple shows (I'm desperately trying to > avoid using the term "jam bands" here:) will likely engender a good > camaraderie amongst the fanbase. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Sep 2 06:23:36 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:23:36 -0400 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! Message-ID: I like PT alot, but don't get the same feeling. Although alot of the fans I do know are HW fans. :-) Cheers Stephe > Porcupine Tree is the obvious - just as fanatical, just as friendly. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephe > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > > > > Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, > that > > weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally different > > too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Mather" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 PM > > Subject: Re: CD Promo help - thank you! > > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:10 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > >> Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? > > > > > > Only with Hawkfans? No offence, Stephe, but you need to meet the fans > > > of other bands a bit more often. :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Paul. > > > -- > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 2 06:31:36 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Poetry Message-ID: A potentially novel way to publicise the new single... http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert Calvert seems in order... Won't win in a million years, of course, but might garner some media attention. Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 2 06:37:25 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Poetry Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >A potentially novel way to publicise the new single... > >http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > >A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert Calvert seems in order... Or choose your favourite Bob opus here: http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/words/calvertwords.htm Just struck me that the "still underage" line in Starfarer's Dispatch might not help its chances. "The Awakening" might be a good choice. Nick From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 11:19:18 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:19:18 -0700 Subject: off: pentagram Message-ID: are awesome.... imagine roky, rainbow, stooges and arthur brown.?. doom on! --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400, Nick Medford > wrote: > > >A potentially novel way to publicise the new single... > > > >http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > > >A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert Calvert seems in order... > > Or choose your favourite Bob opus here: > > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/words/calvertwords.htm > > Just struck me that the "still underage" line in Starfarer's Dispatch might > not help its chances. > > "The Awakening" might be a good choice. > > Nick ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 2 11:28:12 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:28:12 -0400 Subject: Launch Do pics Message-ID: just posted a page of pics from yesterday enjoy Dave http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/take_me_to_your_leader_launch_do.htm From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 2 11:45:20 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:45:20 -0400 Subject: Amazon update Message-ID: as i often do, just had a look at www.amazon.co.uk to see how the singles performing and have to say was very encouraged, take a look at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/10724961/ref=ed_ln3_h_1_1_2/026-1481849-5395668 so lets get this right, it's no 4+5 in the daily top sellers and is also featured on the other side of the page whilst i belive we should keep our feet firmly on the ground, take a look at Amazon's hot 100 chart - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/hot-cd-singles/ref=amb_right-1_151028_1/026-1481849-5395668 and in there it's languishing at numbers 6+8, which is ahead of Jessica Simpson, Paul McCartney and KT Tunstall all of which came out this week as well! i am well aware that the other 3 i mention can all be brought in any of the high street chains and that's how they'll get a lot of there sales but even so this has to bode well! we're so close to this now and i know you're probably all sick and tired of this but come on, one last push, yer nan and great aunt were only telling me last night that they'd love to get hold of the new single as a taster for the upcoming TMTYL album, mind you the state i was in after the launch do and a couple of extra sherbets elsewhere they could have said anything! From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 12:02:25 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:02:25 -0700 Subject: off: steve hillage Message-ID: east village --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > are awesome.... imagine roky, rainbow, stooges and > arthur brown.?. doom on! > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400, Nick Medford > > > wrote: > > > > >A potentially novel way to publicise the new > single... > > > > > > >http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > > > > >A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert > Calvert seems in order... > > > > Or choose your favourite Bob opus here: > > > > > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/words/calvertwords.htm > > > > Just struck me that the "still underage" line in > Starfarer's Dispatch might > > not help its chances. > > > > "The Awakening" might be a good choice. > > > > Nick > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 12:10:03 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:10:03 -0700 Subject: off: the hyena and the gazelle Message-ID: gods servant on this earth.... alien blue soviet wizard --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > are awesome.... imagine roky, rainbow, stooges and > arthur brown.?. doom on! > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400, Nick Medford > > > wrote: > > > > >A potentially novel way to publicise the new > single... > > > > > > >http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > > > > >A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert > Calvert seems in order... > > > > Or choose your favourite Bob opus here: > > > > > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/words/calvertwords.htm > > > > Just struck me that the "still underage" line in > Starfarer's Dispatch might > > not help its chances. > > > > "The Awakening" might be a good choice. > > > > Nick > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 12:10:21 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:10:21 -0700 Subject: off: the hyena and the gazelle Message-ID: gods servant on this earth.... alien blue soviet wizard --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > are awesome.... imagine roky, rainbow, stooges and > arthur brown.?. doom on! > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:31:36 -0400, Nick Medford > > > wrote: > > > > >A potentially novel way to publicise the new > single... > > > > > > >http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > > > > >A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert > Calvert seems in order... > > > > Or choose your favourite Bob opus here: > > > > > http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/words/calvertwords.htm > > > > Just struck me that the "still underage" line in > Starfarer's Dispatch might > > not help its chances. > > > > "The Awakening" might be a good choice. > > > > Nick > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 2 12:14:37 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:14:37 +0100 Subject: Launch event... Message-ID: Wow - you don't hang about do you......... Just as you say, it was a cracking event - thanks to HW for making it all happen in such a good way. It was certainly one of those occassions on which you could chat quite frrely with all of the band (even if I did get a bit tongue-tied at some stages!) - and with Spacehead too. Nice to meet you at the gig and I hope that your short tour of all the hawky bits of the country goes well and that you get the DVD too ! Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: HW: Launch event... > Hi Folx... > > This is almost blogging, 'cause I'm just 100 m down the street from the Borderline in Soho where the Launch Party is just gradually wrapping up. Wow...lots of fun. I didn't even know I could get in until yesterday when Kris emailed me personally to say she would put me on the list. Thanks Kris! > > I thought it would just be a lowkey affair with a few dozen people in a quiet cafe atmosphere with the new album playing over the PA. That last part was right, for the first 90 minutes, but there were about 150 people in there or so. Thank GOD it wasn't held yesterday, when the temps here in London were 32C (90F)...because it's underground, the air circulation is a bit restricted you might say. Anyway, the stage was set up with gear and lighting and all, which was a bit of a surprise, so I thought that HW were really going to play live. But then the bass was obviously not a Ricky, and the guitar was a black Epiphone, so it turned out to be Spacehead's gear. That was cool enough, 'cause I didn't expect any live music at 2 in the afternoon! Anyway, they gave out free complimentary drinks at the bar for the first 45 minutes or so (which was extra nice), but then eventually hit some sort of pre-arranged limit and those who wanted another one (or three) then had to shell out! > a couple > quid per. They also had some champagne and sandwiches and Horse Doovers. Plus free posters to have signed by the band. Pete Pracowiak (sp?) was there (I think) and was signing stuff as well. And Matthew Wright too. > > So Spacehead came on and played a few very nice spacey numbers, the first of which was apparently improv. Then Richard came up and took over on drums and the Keef-Dibsy-Richard Trio launched into an excellent version of "You Shouldn't Do That." But I think that was just done as an excuse to coerce Dave, Alan, and Jason to also participate, and begrudgingly they relented and the full Hawkwind came aboard the ship. Mr. Wright jumped up to do a nice intro and then HW proper did a sizzling "Brainbox Pollution" and then (after some deliberation...and amazingly seeming to go with my personal suggestion of "Paradox"...I happened to be standing directly in front of Keef during Spacehead's set, so I ended up by default directly in front of Dave...he nearly hit me in the face with the end of the guitar at one point) a wonderful extended version of "Paradox" (double guitar solos from Dave). Funniest thing was that Dave kept asking Keef what the hell each of the pedals and switches ! > on his > guitar were supposed to do. > > On the way to the show, I stopped in the Oxford Street HWV and bought two copies each (a set also for my brother in the states) of the two singles (two quid apiece), and managed to get them signed by all four members and Mr. Wright as well (who was very nice to me, even though I had to tell him that I really didn't know who he was, not being a UK resident or anything). I walked into the Borders and Virgin stores on the same street just to see if they had them in stock as well, but sadly neither did. Oh, well, Voiceprint is hardly a major label. HMV had six or seven copies each prominently displayed in the singles bins, though not yet up on the big wall of Hit New Releases (maybe next week?!). So that seemed pretty good at least. > > Oh, last night, I made it up to Hampstead to see the Robert Calvert play about Jimi Hendrix experience in the military. That was quite interesting. The play was actually pretty interesting, and the acting (just two actors, Jimi himself and his commanding sergeant) was impressive. Only about an hour long, but that was about the right length for the material. It was really interesting to see how many familiar Calvert-isms from earlier/later Hawkwind songs there were. Obviously, since Hendrix was a paratrooper, there were moments quite similar to Free Fall/Over the top, but then also a little bit about Icarus, and a mention of the "vermillion deserts of Mars" (for some reason that I now forget), and then also some of the things in Uncle Sam's on Mars were in there as well (insights about American culture, like drum majorettes in white ankle socks, and two cars in the garage). The woman who produced the play back in 1976 was the one responsible for it again, and we (Jon J.! > , Chris > from Wales, and I etc.) talked to her for a bit after the show. I asked if she remembered if Calvert himself had ever gone skydiving (since he seemed to be so strongly attracted to it in his art), and she seemed to think that he had a number of times. I wondered also if he had ever done (or planned to do) a stage version of Cap'n Lockheed, and she didn't remember him ever planning that. Sad...I think that would be a great live event. HW should even consider doing it now, IMHO. But then the best opportunity to have done it would have been 2002 when Arthur was with them in a big way. > > Anyway, enough rambling. I'm on my way to Nottingham/Donnington tomorrow for Off the Tracks...hope to see some of you there. I thought about going to the Nukli/Invisible Opera Co. of Tibet show in Glastonbury instead, but the "45 Real Ales" advertised at Donnington was too strong a draw! :) Oh, by the way, there's a 2004 book about the history of Glasters out that I saw today, and there's a lot of reminiscing in the book done by both NikT and Tom Crimble. I didn't even know (until today) that he (Crimble) was one of the original organizers of Glasters. He also played there with his post-HW band called the Windfuckers or something. Weird. > > Well, tonight I'm off to Brixton to see Litmus, and then up north in the morning. > > Ciao zame...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Andy G....can you put me on the list to receive one of the special DVD releases of TMTYL? I'll send you an address as soon as I have one again. They were playing the DVD part (no sound) on a screen at the Borderline today, and it looked like something to have for sure. > > P.P.S. Apparently (?), the Heads are playing at Camden Underworld on Sunday night (the 4th) here in the London area, if anyone's interested. I wish I could come back down for it myself. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Sep 2 14:07:39 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:07:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Launch Pix Message-ID: Anyone here in picture 29? Just wondering. I don't recognize anybody. Is that Tone with the coloured streaks? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Launch Pix >+ +++ + STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > A gallery of pictures from the Launch Party > is now up on Mission Control: > > Direct URL: > http://www.hawkwind.com/gigs/tmtyl/px1.htm > > ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + + > > www.hawkwind.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 2 14:07:07 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:07:07 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <1125083501.18807.7.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to sell them, then they should > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers Stephe > > We should make them walk the plank! These evil-doers must be taught a > lesson!! > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a promo copy of the > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as an old promo 45 of > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I should be outraged. > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but having bought such > things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical of me to condemn it. I think it's a matter of the point in the chain, isn't it? With most promos that you or I have in our collections (I've got three I think, not counting the promo `Love in Space' single which I was given by Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, and if I ever meet any of the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a beer or suitable by way of apology), they've been bought from some second-hand stall or whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They presumably got there because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by record companies sold them, either to the stall-holder or a previous owner. In those cases it's the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider shouldn't really be selling what was given him for free and labelled not for sale, and perhaps the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The buyer from the stall is too far down the chain to be condemned though I think; once it's been sold once the damage is done and it's fair game (much like a normal release on that sense). The difference here is that the sellers on E-Bay are that first recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the buyers in the same position as the stallholders, so their ethical position is a bit more dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if and when it finally emerges, without the need of the promo. I suppose even that is a kind of faith in this not being all we get to hear of it :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Clutch - _Pure Rock Fury_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 14:45:53 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:45:53 -0700 Subject: off: download the final programme Message-ID: the celestials will approve : extract...prison riot on earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of auschwitz._...doom patrol? --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to sell them, then they should > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers Stephe > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These evil-doers must be taught a > > lesson!! > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a promo copy of the > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as an old promo 45 of > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I should be outraged. > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but having bought such > > things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical of me to condemn it. > > I think it's a matter of the point in the chain, isn't it? With > most promos that you or I have in our collections (I've got three I think, > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single which I was given by > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, and if I ever meet any of > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a beer or suitable by way > of apology), they've been bought from some second-hand stall or > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They presumably got there > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by record companies sold > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous owner. In those cases it's > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider shouldn't really be > selling what was given him for free and labelled not for sale, and perhaps > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The buyer from the stall is too > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; once it's been sold > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much like a normal release on > that sense). > > The difference here is that the sellers on E-Bay are that first > recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the buyers in the same > position as the stallholders, so their ethical position is a bit more > dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if and when it finally > emerges, without the need of the promo. I suppose even that is a kind of > faith in this not being all we get to hear of it :-) Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Clutch - _Pure Rock Fury_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." > London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 16:41:43 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:41:43 +0100 Subject: Space Poetry Message-ID: I think this is an excellent place to try and raise the profile of Bob Calvert's poetry. I was going to suggest "First Landing on Medusa" but I see that Edwin Morgan's "First Men on Mercury" is there and since both poems seem to share a common concept I voted for Starfarers Despatch and in the comments section said something about it depicting the unromantic reality of work in space and included the publication date and collection title. They probably won't find a copy but it might prompt someone to go looking! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: HW: Space Poetry >A potentially novel way to publicise the new single... > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert Calvert seems in > order... > > Won't win in a million years, of course, but might garner some > media > attention. > > Nick > > From joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 2 16:42:04 2005 From: joninwhite at HOTMAIL.COM (Jon Jon) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:42:04 +0000 Subject: SOTA on caroline In-Reply-To: Message-ID: listening to SOTA on caroline as i write - he has played the album version, not the radio edit. Mail in asap and ask him what that hawkwind track was - 'spirit of the wage, or something' that you just heard, and will he play it again sometime :-) jon From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 17:18:51 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:18:51 -0700 Subject: the loneliest little progger in islam Message-ID: yuk yuk tralala --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > the celestials will approve : extract...prison riot on > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to > sell them, then they should > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > Stephe > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > evil-doers must be taught a > > > lesson!! > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a > promo copy of the > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as an > old promo 45 of > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I should > be outraged. > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but > having bought such > > > things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical > of me to condemn it. > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in the > chain, isn't it? With > > most promos that you or I have in our collections > (I've got three I think, > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single which > I was given by > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, and > if I ever meet any of > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a > beer or suitable by way > > of apology), they've been bought from some > second-hand stall or > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They > presumably got there > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by > record companies sold > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > owner. In those cases it's > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider > shouldn't really be > > selling what was given him for free and labelled not > for sale, and perhaps > > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The buyer > from the stall is too > > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; > once it's been sold > > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much > like a normal release on > > that sense). > > > > The difference here is that the sellers on > E-Bay are that first > > recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the > buyers in the same > > position as the stallholders, so their ethical > position is a bit more > > dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if > and when it finally > > emerges, without the need of the promo. I suppose > even that is a kind of > > faith in this not being all we get to hear of it :-) > Yours, > > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Clutch - _Pure Rock Fury_ > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any > tradition or popular error > > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered > by some good author." === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 17:42:00 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:42:00 -0700 Subject: the loneliest little progger in islam Message-ID: read walt simonsens mighty thor 337-387 as a wannabe in cool comics --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > yuk yuk tralala > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison riot > on > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going > to > > sell them, then they should > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > > Stephe > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a > > promo copy of the > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as > an > > old promo 45 of > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > should > > be outraged. > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, > but > > having bought such > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > hypocritical > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in the > > chain, isn't it? With > > > most promos that you or I have in our collections > > (I've got three I think, > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single > which > > I was given by > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, > and > > if I ever meet any of > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a > > beer or suitable by way > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > second-hand stall or > > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They > > presumably got there > > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by > > record companies sold > > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > > owner. In those cases it's > > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider > > shouldn't really be > > > selling what was given him for free and labelled > not > > for sale, and perhaps > > > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The > buyer > > from the stall is too > > > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; > > once it's been sold > > > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much > > like a normal release on > > > that sense). > > > > > > The difference here is that the sellers on > > E-Bay are that first > > > recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the > > buyers in the same > > > position as the stallholders, so their ethical > > position is a bit more > > > dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if > > and when it finally === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 17:58:21 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:58:21 -0700 Subject: the loneliest little progger in islam Message-ID: a witness to derricks stone bowl and to all things pot --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > read walt simonsens mighty thor 337-387 as a wannabe > in cool comics > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > yuk yuk tralala > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison > riot > > on > > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe > wrote: > > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are > going > > to > > > sell them, then they should > > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > > > Stephe > > > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling > a > > > promo copy of the > > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well > as > > an > > > old promo 45 of > > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > > should > > > be outraged. > > > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, > > but > > > having bought such > > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > > hypocritical > > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in > the > > > chain, isn't it? With > > > > most promos that you or I have in our > collections > > > (I've got three I think, > > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single > > which > > > I was given by > > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, > > and > > > if I ever meet any of > > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them > a > > > beer or suitable by way > > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > > second-hand stall or > > > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. > They > > > presumably got there > > > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by > > > record companies sold > > > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > > > owner. In those cases it's > > > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider > > > shouldn't really be > > > > selling what was given him for free and labelled > > not > > > for sale, and perhaps > > > > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The > > buyer > > > from the stall is too > > > > far down the chain to be condemned though I === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Fri Sep 2 18:42:04 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:42:04 -0700 Subject: the loneliest little progger in islam Message-ID: 33 and still a jewish virgin --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > a witness to derricks stone bowl and to all things pot > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > read walt simonsens mighty thor 337-387 as a wannabe > > in cool comics > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > yuk yuk tralala > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > wrote: > > > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison > > riot > > > on > > > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe > > wrote: > > > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are > > going > > > to > > > > sell them, then they should > > > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > > > > Stephe > > > > > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also > selling > > a > > > > promo copy of the > > > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well > > as > > > an > > > > old promo 45 of > > > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > > > should > > > > be outraged. > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo > materials, > > > but > > > > having bought such > > > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > > > hypocritical > > > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in > > the > > > > chain, isn't it? With > > > > > most promos that you or I have in our > > collections > > > > (I've got three I think, > > > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single > > > which > > > > I was given by > > > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the > time, > > > and > > > > if I ever meet any of > > > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy > them > > a > > > > beer or suitable by way > > > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > > > second-hand stall or > > > > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. > > They > > > > presumably got there > > > > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them > by > > > > record companies sold > > > > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > > > > owner. In those cases it's > > > > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably === Message Truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Sep 2 21:27:22 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:27:22 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 19:07 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but having bought such > > things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical of me to condemn it. > > I think it's a matter of the point in the chain, isn't it? With > most promos that you or I have in our collections (I've got three I think, > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single which I was given by > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, and if I ever meet any of > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a beer or suitable by way > of apology), they've been bought from some second-hand stall or > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They presumably got there > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by record companies sold > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous owner. In those cases it's > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider shouldn't really be > selling what was given him for free and labelled not for sale, and perhaps > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The buyer from the stall is too > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; once it's been sold > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much like a normal release on > that sense). An interesting take on moral distancing, there, and I'm sure similar to the one used unsuccessfully at Nuremberg. :-) My view is that it takes two to tango, so if you're going to froth at people selling promos you should a) be consistent and froth at all promo sellers (and not exempt some on the basis that they're waiting a tactful amount of time before doing what you otherwise consider to be a rip off of the band); and b) probably not buy them yourself (because there can't be a sale without a purchase). I've bought a few promos down through the years (I don't think any Hawkwind ones, oddly enough), and I certainly don't advocate those that sell them be shot in the head. Hopefully, there a certain consistency in that stance. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Sep 3 06:08:25 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:08:25 +0100 Subject: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: <006201c5affe$bd2a57f0$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: I agree - if enough of us suggest this they're bound to check it out. I notice they also have a 'Poems on the Underground' section. Calvert's 'Circle Line' would be perfect!!! Mick --- Jill Strobridge wrote: > I think this is an excellent place to try and raise > the profile of > Bob Calvert's poetry. I was going to suggest "First > Landing on > Medusa" but I see that Edwin Morgan's "First Men on > Mercury" is > there and since both poems seem to share a common > concept I voted > for Starfarers Despatch and in the comments section > said something > about it depicting the unromantic reality of work in > space and > included the publication date and collection title. > They > probably won't find a copy but it might prompt > someone to go > looking! > > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:31 AM > Subject: HW: Space Poetry > > > >A potentially novel way to publicise the new > single... > > > > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1561332,00.html > > > > A vote for "The Starfarer's Despatch" by Robert > Calvert seems in > > order... > > > > Won't win in a million years, of course, but might > garner some > > media > > attention. > > > > Nick > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Sep 3 07:20:36 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:20:36 +0200 Subject: HW: CD-Single review Message-ID: Hi folks Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. 1) SOTA (live version) a) SOTA live I am very dissapointed. Really. This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good version with lots of interesting moments. Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes piece that has nothing to do with the great version from the live gig. The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming out of a telephone connection. Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? b) PARADOX studio Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good quality 2) SOTA (studio version) a) SOTA studio I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! b) AOA live No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very welcome!!!) Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I know better versions. c) AA live This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version because someone did to much editing on that one. If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a FANTASTIC one. cheers Bernhard From thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 3 07:58:51 2005 From: thelastdruids at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Byrne) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:58:51 +0100 Subject: Singles Message-ID: I got my singles this morning - excellent. Singles? The Radio Edit one is 1/2 and album - Assassins of Allah alone is over 8 minutes. All cracking versions, with what has become the classic Hawkwind driving delivery. Highly recommended. Tom From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 09:27:03 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:27:03 +0100 Subject: HW: CD-Single review In-Reply-To: <1EBW4c-0XrlSK0@fwd30.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, It appears to me that the CD single 2 was edited to make it less than 10 minutes (running time 9.59! on my player), but I can't think of a reason why. Cost less to press? Or is it so it's not classed as an EP. Anyone? Agree that it's disappointing that the live sota has been savaged. Apart from that, delighted to have some new HW fare. Roll on 12th September. Cheers Alan bernhard.pospiech wrote: >Hi folks > >Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) > >Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. > >1) SOTA (live version) > >a) SOTA live >I am very dissapointed. Really. >This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. >The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good version >with lots of interesting moments. >Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes piece >that has nothing to do with the >great version from the live gig. >The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming out of >a telephone connection. >Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? > >b) PARADOX studio >Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good >quality > > > > >2) SOTA (studio version) > >a) SOTA studio >I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. >Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! > >b) AOA live >No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very welcome!!!) >Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I know better versions. > >c) AA live >This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. >Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! > > >All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version >because someone did to much editing on that one. >If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a FANTASTIC >one. > > >cheers >Bernhard > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Sep 3 10:42:07 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:42:07 +0200 Subject: HW: CD-Single review In-Reply-To: <4319A4A7.80505@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Alan >It appears to me that the CD single 2 was edited to make it less than 10 minutes (running time 9.59! on my >player), but I can't think of a reason why. Cost less to press? Or is it so it's not classed as an EP. >Anyone? If it was for the costs then it is a shame >Apart from that, delighted to have some new HW fare. Roll on 12th September. Agreed! I expect the new CD to be a very good one!!! Countdown: T -9 Bernhard Cheers Alan bernhard.pospiech wrote: >Hi folks > >Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) > >Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. > >1) SOTA (live version) > >a) SOTA live >I am very dissapointed. Really. >This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. >The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good >version with lots of interesting moments. >Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes >piece that has nothing to do with the great version from the live gig. >The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming >out of a telephone connection. >Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? > >b) PARADOX studio >Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good >quality > > > > >2) SOTA (studio version) > >a) SOTA studio >I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. >Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! > >b) AOA live >No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very >welcome!!!) Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I know better versions. > >c) AA live >This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. >Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! > > >All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version >because someone did to much editing on that one. >If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a >FANTASTIC one. > > >cheers >Bernhard > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 10:57:12 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:57:12 -0700 Subject: off: alison mo-yeah Message-ID: needs the lyrics to the song alf- anyone? regards, mister chilinuts --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > 33 and still a jewish virgin > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > a witness to derricks stone bowl and to all things > pot > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > read walt simonsens mighty thor 337-387 as a > wannabe > > > in cool comics > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > wrote: > > > > yuk yuk tralala > > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wrote: > > > > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison > > > riot > > > > on > > > > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > > > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are > > > going > > > > to > > > > > sell them, then they should > > > > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. > Cheers > > > > > Stephe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > > > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also > > selling > > > a > > > > > promo copy of the > > > > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as > well > > > as > > > > an > > > > > old promo 45 of > > > > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > > > > should > > > > > be outraged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo > > materials, > > > > but > > > > > having bought such > > > > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > > > > hypocritical > > > > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point > in > > > the > > > > > chain, isn't it? With > > > > > > most promos that you or I have in our > > > collections > > > > > (I've got three I think, > > > > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' > single > > > > which > > > > > I was given by > > > > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the > > time, > > > > and > > > > > if I ever meet any of > > > > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy > > them > > > a > > > > > beer or suitable by way > > > > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > > > > second-hand stall or === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 10:59:22 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:22 -0700 Subject: off: alison mo-yeah Message-ID: needs the lyrics to the song alf- anyone? regards, mister chilinuts --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > 33 and still a jewish virgin > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > a witness to derricks stone bowl and to all things > pot > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > read walt simonsens mighty thor 337-387 as a > wannabe > > > in cool comics > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > wrote: > > > > yuk yuk tralala > > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > wrote: > > > > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison > > > riot > > > > on > > > > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > > > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > > > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are > > > going > > > > to > > > > > sell them, then they should > > > > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. > Cheers > > > > > Stephe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > > > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also > > selling > > > a > > > > > promo copy of the > > > > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as > well > > > as > > > > an > > > > > old promo 45 of > > > > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > > > > should > > > > > be outraged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo > > materials, > > > > but > > > > > having bought such > > > > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > > > > hypocritical > > > > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point > in > > > the > > > > > chain, isn't it? With > > > > > > most promos that you or I have in our > > > collections > > > > > (I've got three I think, > > > > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' > single > > > > which > > > > > I was given by > > > > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the > > time, > > > > and > > > > > if I ever meet any of > > > > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy > > them > > > a > > > > > beer or suitable by way > > > > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > > > > second-hand stall or === Message Truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 11:30:04 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:30:04 -0700 Subject: off: frank & the walters/benson & hedges Message-ID: are you receiving --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > the celestials will approve : extract...prison riot on > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to > sell them, then they should > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > Stephe > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > evil-doers must be taught a > > > lesson!! > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a > promo copy of the > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as an > old promo 45 of > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I should > be outraged. > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but > having bought such > > > things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical > of me to condemn it. > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in the > chain, isn't it? With > > most promos that you or I have in our collections > (I've got three I think, > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single which > I was given by > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, and > if I ever meet any of > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a > beer or suitable by way > > of apology), they've been bought from some > second-hand stall or > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They > presumably got there > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by > record companies sold > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > owner. In those cases it's > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider > shouldn't really be > > selling what was given him for free and labelled not > for sale, and perhaps > > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The buyer > from the stall is too > > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; > once it's been sold > > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much > like a normal release on > > that sense). > > > > The difference here is that the sellers on > E-Bay are that first > > recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the > buyers in the same > > position as the stallholders, so their ethical > position is a bit more > > dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if > and when it finally > > emerges, without the need of the promo. I suppose > even that is a kind of > > faith in this not being all we get to hear of it :-) > Yours, > > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Clutch - _Pure Rock Fury_ > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any > tradition or popular error > > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered > by some good author." === Message Truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 11:42:59 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:42:59 -0700 Subject: off: frank & the walters / benson & hedges Message-ID: are you receiving? --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > just posted a page of pics from yesterday > > enjoy > > Dave > > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/take_me_to_your_leader_launch_do.htm ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Sep 3 13:08:41 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:08:41 -0700 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: luxembourg/grenoble - gung ho in the pagans --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > are you receiving > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > the celestials will approve : extract...prison riot > on > > earth 1...johnny rotten.,a rotten tale of > > auschwitz._...doom patrol? > > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > > > > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going > to > > sell them, then they should > > > > > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers > > Stephe > > > > > > > > We should make them walk the plank! These > > evil-doers must be taught a > > > > lesson!! > > > > > > > > I notice there are people on eBay also selling a > > promo copy of the > > > > upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as > an > > old promo 45 of > > > > "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I > should > > be outraged. > > > > > > > PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, > but > > having bought such > > > > things in the past, it'd be a little > hypocritical > > of me to condemn it. > > > > > > I think it's a matter of the point in the > > chain, isn't it? With > > > most promos that you or I have in our collections > > (I've got three I think, > > > not counting the promo `Love in Space' single > which > > I was given by > > > Hawkwind's kind offer on this list at the time, > and > > if I ever meet any of > > > the members of the bands concerned I'll buy them a > > beer or suitable by way > > > of apology), they've been bought from some > > second-hand stall or > > > whatever; I think all of mine came this way. They > > presumably got there > > > because DJs or whoever who'd been given them by > > record companies sold > > > them, either to the stall-holder or a previous > > owner. In those cases it's > > > the DJ or whoever whom we;'d presumably consider > > shouldn't really be > > > selling what was given him for free and labelled > not > > for sale, and perhaps > > > the stallholder shouldn't have bought it. The > buyer > > from the stall is too > > > far down the chain to be condemned though I think; > > once it's been sold > > > once the damage is done and it's fair game (much > > like a normal release on > > > that sense). > > > > > > The difference here is that the sellers on > > E-Bay are that first > > > recipient, in the same position as the DJ, and the > > buyers in the same > > > position as the stallholders, so their ethical > > position is a bit more > > > dubious I think. Myself I'll buy the real album if > > and when it finally === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Sep 3 15:28:04 2005 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:28:04 +0100 Subject: CD-Single review Message-ID: Bernhard, I am surprised you say the gig was from 25/05/2005. The version sent to the mastering engineer was most definitely from May 2003 (I know because I sent it!), and checks in at 6mins 11 secs. It starts without a fade, and finishes with Dave and Richard praising Matthew for his vocal performance. Angela Android was taken from the same performance. However, as I don't have copy of the finished single here, I can't tell you for sure if the intended version was actually used or changed in any way... Keith K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: HW: CD-Single review > Hi folks > > Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) > > Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. > > 1) SOTA (live version) > > a) SOTA live > I am very dissapointed. Really. > This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. > The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good version > with lots of interesting moments. > Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes piece > that has nothing to do with the > great version from the live gig. > The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming out of > a telephone connection. > Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? > > b) PARADOX studio > Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good > quality > > > > > 2) SOTA (studio version) > > a) SOTA studio > I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. > Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! > > b) AOA live > No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very welcome!!!) > Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I know better versions. > > c) AA live > This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. > Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! > > > All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version > because someone did to much editing on that one. > If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a FANTASTIC > one. > > > cheers > Bernhard From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Sep 3 15:30:49 2005 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:30:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Launch Pix Message-ID: I nearly choked on my dinner when I read that. > Anyone here in picture 29? Just wondering. I don't recognize anybody. Is > that Tone with the coloured streaks? Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Sep 3 15:44:21 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:44:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Launch Pix Message-ID: Sorry Keith, I just wasn't sure. I haven't seen Tone in so long. I can't remember what she looked like. The lady in the pic looked familiar. I apologize. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Launch Pix >I nearly choked on my dinner when I read that. > > > > >> Anyone here in picture 29? Just wondering. I don't recognize anybody. Is >> that Tone with the coloured streaks? Cheers Stephe From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Sep 3 15:39:52 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:39:52 +0200 Subject: CD-Single review In-Reply-To: <004001c5b0bd$c4a54480$100c28d5@lucidzoo> Message-ID: Hi Keith Sorry of course not 2005 but 2003 (Astoria) !! My fault Thanks for finding this typo >Angela Android was taken from the same performance. Yes, 25.05.2003 The Assassins version has to be from April 2004. Right ? Bernhard ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: HW: CD-Single review > Hi folks > > Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) > > Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. > > 1) SOTA (live version) > > a) SOTA live > I am very dissapointed. Really. > This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. > The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good > version with lots of interesting moments. > Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes piece > that has nothing to do with the > great version from the live gig. > The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming > out of > a telephone connection. > Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? > > b) PARADOX studio > Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good > quality > > > > > 2) SOTA (studio version) > > a) SOTA studio > I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. > Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! > > b) AOA live > No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very > welcome!!!) Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I > know better versions. > > c) AA live > This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. > Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! > > > All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version > because someone did to much editing on that one. > If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a > FANTASTIC one. > > > cheers > Bernhard From coral at APORT.RU Sat Sep 3 16:04:16 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:04:16 +0400 Subject: CD-Single review Message-ID: So is SOTA live on single ends with what Keith wrote?.. Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: CD-Single review > Hi Keith > > Sorry of course not 2005 but 2003 (Astoria) !! My fault > Thanks for finding this typo > > > >Angela Android was taken from the same performance. > > Yes, 25.05.2003 > > The Assassins version has to be from April 2004. Right ? > > > > Bernhard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:20 PM > Subject: HW: CD-Single review > > > > Hi folks > > > > Received the 2 long awaitet CD singles today (thanks PEJ!!) > > > > Now I will try to write a short review. Comments are very welcome. > > > > 1) SOTA (live version) > > > > a) SOTA live > > I am very dissapointed. Really. > > This is the live version from a gig at the Astoria on 25.05.2005. > > The originally played song was about 8 mintutes long. A very good > > version with lots of interesting moments. > > Unfortunately this CD live version was cutted to a less than 4 minutes > piece > > that has nothing to do with the > > great version from the live gig. > > The sound quality is bad. Daves guitar solo sounds like it is comming > > out > of > > a telephone connection. > > Why not a superb sound like on the YULE RITUAL CD ?? > > > > b) PARADOX studio > > Very good studio version. Well done. I really like this song !!! Good > > quality > > > > > > > > > > 2) SOTA (studio version) > > > > a) SOTA studio > > I am very pleased. Awesome version. Great mix. Unfortunately to short. > > Will the CD version be longer ?? I hope so!! > > > > b) AOA live > > No idea from which gig this version comes from.(help is very > > welcome!!!) Do not know what to say about this song. Not bad but I > > know better > versions. > > > > c) AA live > > This version comes from the Astoria gig 25.05.2003. > > Very good version. The band in top form. A highlight !! > > > > > > All in all 2 very good single CD's with a very weak SOTA live version > > because someone did to much editing on that one. > > If the original version were chosen, well, it would have been a > > FANTASTIC one. > > > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sat Sep 3 16:10:42 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:10:42 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: Changing emails thanks Mike From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Sat Sep 3 17:51:38 2005 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:51:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Autographed Guest Pass for Charity Message-ID: http://tws-fans.co.uk/ and follow the Auction link. From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Sep 4 05:41:44 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 05:41:44 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: MIKE ?????? From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Sep 4 06:41:45 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 06:41:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Off The Tracks Message-ID: Hi all Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make this post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of the validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, however..... I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and as such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't find the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them justice, I'll be posting them on MC asap). Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your collection !!! Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee that you'll feel the same way too !!! Rik From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Sep 4 07:00:25 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:00:25 +0200 Subject: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Rik Thanks for this short review. I am sure you have seen a great gig. But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! Thanks Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Off The Tracks Hi all Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make this post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of the validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, however..... I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and as such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't find the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them justice, I'll be posting them on MC asap). Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your collection !!! Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee that you'll feel the same way too !!! Rik From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 08:23:40 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 05:23:40 -0700 Subject: off: sky saxon and the seeds in oslo tonite Message-ID: wish i could go but alas! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Sep 4 08:32:41 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:32:41 +0100 Subject: sky saxon and the seeds in oslo tonite Message-ID: or even alack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: off: sky saxon and the seeds in oslo tonite > wish i could go but alas! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Sep 4 08:36:22 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:36:22 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks Message-ID: Hi Rik, wish I could have made it - but had to put some time into getting ready for the start of the new school term; have to be there this afternoon! The launch party was brilliant - well worth the drive from Darlington and back - please pass my thanks on to all concerned. Definitely looking forward to the release of the album. Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > Hi all > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled > to make this post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, > as I'm not sure of the validity of comments coming from 'the other > side of the wire', as people will always be cautious of a degree > of nepotistic bias in such posts, however..... > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable > HW gigs, last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, > as in my privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go > to most gigs, and as such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a > few 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't > find the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have > thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the > gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large > marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the > stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only > compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them > justice, I'll be posting them on MC asap). > > Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes > there are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the > layout and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly > WHY I got involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you > is that this album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, > and well worth the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if > you haven't ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in > your collection !!! > > Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it > is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up > as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee > that you'll feel the same way too !!! > > > Rik > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Sep 4 09:06:01 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:06:01 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks Message-ID: Just surfaced from last night at Off The Tracks, Just what Rik Said!!! Incredible gig. Track List IIRC 1.The Right Stuff 2.Sword of the East 3.Greenback Massacre 4.7 by 7 5.Sighs? 6.Angela Android 7.Assassins of Allah 8.Paradox 9.Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where are you Now 10.(Track I don't know!!) 11.Psychedelic Warriors 12.Brainstorm (With Dumpy) encore: 1.Spirit of the Age 2.Silver Machine (With Dumpy) Still in shock from meeting the band on Thursday at the Borderline, amazing gig, can't wait for album, will single chart today, what IS Christian Mumford on about?? So many questions unanswered. Mars Storer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > Hello Rik > > Thanks for this short review. > I am sure you have seen a great gig. > > But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! > > > > Thanks > Bernhard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Rik Rx > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > > Hi all > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make > this > post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of > the > validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people > will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, > however..... > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, > last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my > privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and > as > such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few > 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't > find > the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have > thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the > gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a > large > marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the > stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only > compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them > justice, > I'll be posting them on MC asap). > > Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there > are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout > and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got > involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this > album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth > the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't > ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your > collection !!! > > Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it > is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up > as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee > that > you'll feel the same way too !!! > > > Rik > > __________ NOD32 1.1208 (20050902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 09:08:40 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaos Illumination) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:08:40 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks Message-ID: Hi all, Just got back from Off The Tracks - great weekend as Rik so eloquently describes. In addition, the campsite was very chilled, lovely staff and all the in-house crew and organisers deserve a big thank you for all their effort. The set list was - if I remember correctly The Right Stuff, Sword of the East Greenback Massacre 7 By 7 Out Here We Are Angela Android Assassins Paradox Assault and Battery Golden Void Where Are They Now Treadmill Psychedelic Warlords Brainstorm - Dumpy as guest Encore Spirit of the Age Silver Machine - Dumpy as guest I do have a feeling that this may not be quite in the right order, but it's been a very long weekend. What with the launch party on Thursday, setting up the lightshow on Friday and Saturday for the gig and then rolling into bed at about 5 this morning my memory may not be quite what it should be. A most enjoyable weekend in many many ways. And to answer another question posed by Stephe - if you are referring to the lady in the pink skirt and coloured hair in the photograph - then that would be me. I have probably sold you a t-shirt in the past if you have been to any gigs in the UK in the last 10 years as I have pretty much helped run merchandise with Kris for a very long time now. I am also one third of Chaos Illumination and run the video projections throughout the Hawks shows along with Neil (in the same photo wearing a Strange Daze t-shirt) and John running strobes / opti lighting. If I only looked vaguely familiar that is because I was in normal dress mode and not 'Hawkwind' mode :-) Of course - if you are referring to someone else then I don't know who she is:-) Marie (Chaos Illumination) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > Hello Rik > > Thanks for this short review. > I am sure you have seen a great gig. > > But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! > > > > Thanks > Bernhard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Rik Rx > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > > Hi all > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make this > post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of the > validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people > will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, > however..... > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, > last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my > privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and as > such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few > 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't find > the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have > thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the > gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large > marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the > stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only > compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them justice, > I'll be posting them on MC asap). > > Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there > are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout > and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got > involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this > album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth > the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't > ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your > collection !!! > > Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it > is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up > as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee that > you'll feel the same way too !!! > > > Rik From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 09:48:50 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 06:48:50 -0700 Subject: Off The Tracks Message-ID: yes... mobile phone and yahoo., what it is, and i saw the hawks in bergen last spring... my third hw show in 15 years! saw nils petter molvaer, system of a down too recently.! regards mr mr etc. --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > Just surfaced from last night at Off The Tracks, > > Just what Rik Said!!! Incredible gig. > > Track List IIRC > > 1.The Right Stuff > 2.Sword of the East > 3.Greenback Massacre > 4.7 by 7 > 5.Sighs? > 6.Angela Android > 7.Assassins of Allah > 8.Paradox > 9.Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where are you Now > 10.(Track I don't know!!) > 11.Psychedelic Warriors > 12.Brainstorm (With Dumpy) > encore: > 1.Spirit of the Age > 2.Silver Machine (With Dumpy) > > Still in shock from meeting the band on Thursday at the Borderline, > amazing gig, can't wait for album, will single chart today, > what IS Christian Mumford on about?? > So many questions unanswered. > > Mars Storer. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > > > > Hello Rik > > > > Thanks for this short review. > > I am sure you have seen a great gig. > > > > But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > > Behalf Of Rik Rx > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > > > > Hi all > > > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make > > this > > post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of > > the > > validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people > > will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, > > however..... > > > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, > > last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my > > privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and > > as > > such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few > > 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From coral at APORT.RU Sun Sep 4 09:57:09 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:57:09 +0400 Subject: Off The Tracks Message-ID: Do they still play with most of the music coming from computer on stage?.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Storer" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > Just surfaced from last night at Off The Tracks, > > Just what Rik Said!!! Incredible gig. > > Track List IIRC > > 1.The Right Stuff > 2.Sword of the East > 3.Greenback Massacre > 4.7 by 7 > 5.Sighs? > 6.Angela Android > 7.Assassins of Allah > 8.Paradox > 9.Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where are you Now > 10.(Track I don't know!!) > 11.Psychedelic Warriors > 12.Brainstorm (With Dumpy) > encore: > 1.Spirit of the Age > 2.Silver Machine (With Dumpy) > > Still in shock from meeting the band on Thursday at the Borderline, > amazing gig, can't wait for album, will single chart today, > what IS Christian Mumford on about?? > So many questions unanswered. > > Mars Storer. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > > > > Hello Rik > > > > Thanks for this short review. > > I am sure you have seen a great gig. > > > > But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > > Behalf Of Rik Rx > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > > > > Hi all > > > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make > > this > > post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of > > the > > validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people > > will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, > > however..... > > > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, > > last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my > > privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and > > as > > such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few > > 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't > > find > > the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have > > thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the > > gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a > > large > > marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the > > stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only > > compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them > > justice, > > I'll be posting them on MC asap). > > > > Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there > > are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout > > and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got > > involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this > > album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth > > the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't > > ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your > > collection !!! > > > > Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it > > is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up > > as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee > > that > > you'll feel the same way too !!! > > > > > > Rik > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1208 (20050902) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Sep 4 10:08:37 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:08:37 -0500 Subject: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: <001601c5b151$675cced0$6e00a8c0@roobarb> Message-ID: Charts are less than an hour off...Fingers Crossed. :-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mark Storer Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:06 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Off The Tracks Just surfaced from last night at Off The Tracks, Just what Rik Said!!! Incredible gig. Track List IIRC 1.The Right Stuff 2.Sword of the East 3.Greenback Massacre 4.7 by 7 5.Sighs? 6.Angela Android 7.Assassins of Allah 8.Paradox 9.Assault & Battery/Golden Void/Where are you Now 10.(Track I don't know!!) 11.Psychedelic Warriors 12.Brainstorm (With Dumpy) encore: 1.Spirit of the Age 2.Silver Machine (With Dumpy) Still in shock from meeting the band on Thursday at the Borderline, amazing gig, can't wait for album, will single chart today, what IS Christian Mumford on about?? So many questions unanswered. Mars Storer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Off The Tracks > Hello Rik > > Thanks for this short review. > I am sure you have seen a great gig. > > But to make things clearer, a full track list would be VERY helpful !!!! > > > > Thanks > Bernhard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Rik Rx > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:42 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Off The Tracks > > Hi all > > Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled to make > this > post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, as I'm not sure of > the > validity of comments coming from 'the other side of the wire', as people > will always be cautious of a degree of nepotistic bias in such posts, > however..... > > I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable HW gigs, > last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, as in my > privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go to most gigs, and > as > such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... > How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better > term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a few > 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't > find > the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have > thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the > gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a > large > marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the > stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only > compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them > justice, > I'll be posting them on MC asap). > > Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes there > are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the layout > and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly WHY I got > involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you is that this > album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, and well worth > the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if you haven't > ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in your > collection !!! > > Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it > is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up > as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee > that > you'll feel the same way too !!! > > > Rik > > __________ NOD32 1.1208 (20050902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sun Sep 4 10:15:00 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:15:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Biased? Undoubtedly Correct in all you say? Indubitably From the snippets I've heard and the reviews Ive read no doubt HW is at another of it's high points. Thanks for the great review. Mike Rik Rx wrote: >Hi all > >Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled >to make this post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, >as I'm not sure of the validity of comments coming from 'the other >side of the wire', as people will always be cautious of a degree >of nepotistic bias in such posts, however..... > >I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable >HW gigs, last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, >as in my privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go >to most gigs, and as such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... >How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better >term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a >few 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't >find the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have >thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the >gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large >marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the >stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only >compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them >justice, I'll be posting them on MC asap). > >Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes >there are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the >layout and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly >WHY I got involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you >is that this album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, >and well worth the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if >you haven't ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in >your collection !!! > >Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it >is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up >as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee >that you'll feel the same way too !!! > > >Rik > > > > > From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sun Sep 4 11:05:20 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rik Rx wrote: >MIKE ?????? > > > > > Mike Who From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Sun Sep 4 11:11:42 2005 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (roger) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:11:42 +0100 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <431B0D30.1070109@mikemontfort.com> Message-ID: who is Mike Who? Mike Montfort wrote: > Rik Rx wrote: > >> MIKE ?????? >> >> >> >> >> > Mike Who > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sun Sep 4 11:14:27 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:14:27 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <431B0EAE.8040000@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hopefully he's not a Dr. roger wrote: > who is Mike Who? > > Mike Montfort wrote: > >> Rik Rx wrote: >> >>> MIKE ?????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Mike Who >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: > 02/09/2005 > > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 11:17:07 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:17:07 -0700 Subject: sky saxon and the seeds in oslo tonite Message-ID: better than having quetzelcoatl peeping in your skyscraper window ca. 1921... regards, alisdair mc krouley --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > or even alack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amphetamine Embalmer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: off: sky saxon and the seeds in oslo tonite > > > > wish i could go but alas! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET Sun Sep 4 12:00:08 2005 From: roger.wynne-jones at VIRGIN.NET (roger) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:00:08 +0100 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <431B0F53.9060100@mikemontfort.com> Message-ID: My doctor is Dr. M Woo Mike Montfort wrote: > Hopefully he's not a Dr. > > roger wrote: > >> who is Mike Who? >> >> Mike Montfort wrote: >> >>> Rik Rx wrote: >>> >>>> MIKE ?????? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Mike Who >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: >> 02/09/2005 >> >> >> > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 12:03:08 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:03:08 -0700 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: yippie --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > Hopefully he's not a Dr. > > roger wrote: > > > who is Mike Who? > > > > Mike Montfort wrote: > > > >> Rik Rx wrote: > >> > >>> MIKE ?????? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Mike Who > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: > > 02/09/2005 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 12:53:41 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:53:41 -0700 Subject: the arty farty party party Message-ID: vote the pot party or the aids party.! regards the cool cats & the art snobs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 13:05:04 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:05:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Launch Pix Message-ID: I can imagine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Launch Pix > I nearly choked on my dinner when I read that. > > > > > > Anyone here in picture 29? Just wondering. I don't recognize anybody. Is > > that Tone with the coloured streaks? Cheers Stephe > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 13:20:12 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:20:12 -0700 Subject: the arty farty party party Message-ID: king midas in reverse by the hollies, yes yes --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > vote the pot party or the aids party.! regards the > cool cats & the art snobs > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Sep 4 13:22:41 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:22:41 -0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: well can i just say that in a somewhat emotional state i have to admit that this isn't going to happen. (SOTA charting) quite why we didn't get anywhere I'm not really sure, other than the obvious - we didn't sell enough and conspiracy theories should be treated with the contempt they deserve! i guess in a day or so I'll be able to look and see that we have done some good as far as exposure for the band goes but at the moment it is very hard to stomach that all this crap that makes up the charts (with a couple of exceptions) can outsell a band as great as the Hawks! we did our best but alas the best wasn't good enough! cheers and as ever thanks Dave p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, but can't someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've spelt it right and frankly don't give a sh*t)you have absolutely nothing constructive to say about HW or anything else for that matter you sad crank head and as for you biggoted views people like you just make me sick, you are one sad individual thanks feel (slightly) better now From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 13:37:14 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:37:14 -0700 Subject: We didnt do it ;-( Message-ID: yes i am a sad crankhead in the aquarian age because i have been in love...a mystic --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > well can i just say that in a somewhat emotional state i have to admit that > this isn't going to happen. (SOTA charting) > > quite why we didn't get anywhere I'm not really sure, other than the obvious > - we didn't sell enough and conspiracy theories should be treated with the > contempt they deserve! > > i guess in a day or so I'll be able to look and see that we have done some > good as far as exposure for the band goes but at the moment it is very hard > to stomach that all this crap that makes up the charts (with a couple of > exceptions) can outsell a band as great as the Hawks! > > we did our best but alas the best wasn't good enough! > > cheers and as ever thanks > > Dave > > p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, but can't > someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've spelt it > right and frankly don't give a sh*t)you have absolutely nothing constructive > to say about HW or anything else for that matter you sad crank head and as > for you biggoted views people like you just make me sick, you are one sad > individual > > thanks feel (slightly) better now __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From denis at PTI-INC.DE Sun Sep 4 14:18:59 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:18:59 +0200 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 04.09.2005, at 19:22, Dave Law wrote: > well can i just say that in a somewhat emotional state i have to > admit that > this isn't going to happen. (SOTA charting) [snip] > we did our best but alas the best wasn't good enough! At least SotA is no. 6 in the rock-charts... > p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, > but can't > someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've > spelt it > right and frankly don't give a sh*t)you have absolutely nothing > constructive > to say about HW or anything else for that matter you sad crank head > and as > for you biggoted views people like you just make me sick, you are > one sad > individual It's the Greys working together with MKULTRA again I guess... (c)IAO D+R From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 14:29:12 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 19:29:12 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First up, well done to Dave for all the promotion he's been driving. It was well worthwhile and there's always next week. Hopefully more airplay will come out of this. Secondly, Dave Law wrote: >p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, but can't >someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've spelt it >right and frankly don't give a sh*t) > Dave, you spelt it wrongly, it's not tw*t. It's twat. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 14:50:55 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:50:55 -0700 Subject: We didnt do it ;-( Message-ID: buddhist grindcore projects reveal me as a blue wizard of soviet origin btw anyone here into jimmy buffet --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > Hi, > > On 04.09.2005, at 19:22, Dave Law wrote: > > > well can i just say that in a somewhat emotional state i have to > > admit that > > this isn't going to happen. (SOTA charting) > [snip] > > we did our best but alas the best wasn't good enough! > > At least SotA is no. 6 in the rock-charts... > > > > p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, > > but can't > > someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've > > spelt it > > right and frankly don't give a sh*t)you have absolutely nothing > > constructive > > to say about HW or anything else for that matter you sad crank head > > and as > > for you biggoted views people like you just make me sick, you are > > one sad > > individual > > It's the Greys working together with MKULTRA again I guess... > > (c)IAO > D+R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Sep 4 15:09:37 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:09:37 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: <431B3CF8.4000701@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes we did(sort of) Check the rock charts "Top 40 Rock Singles is compiled by The Official UK Charts Company" http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/rocksingles.shtml Well done Dave!! Mick ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 15:29:16 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:29:16 -0700 Subject: bobby lieblings pentagram Message-ID: still fuckin awesome! --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > Yes we did(sort of) > > Check the rock charts > > > "Top 40 Rock Singles is compiled by The Official UK > Charts Company" > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/rocksingles.shtml > > Well done Dave!! > > Mick > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 16:27:48 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:27:48 EDT Subject: the arty farty party party Message-ID: weirdo ! From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 16:40:41 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:40:41 -0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were beating your head against a brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in the uk! its a big shame but even taking someone like mathew wright on board was no good- he obviously has no influence at all in the media- shame! maybe next week! From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 16:45:46 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:45:46 -0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: and just checked the top 75 of this weeks charts and we didnt even make that! be interesting to see exactly how many copies it sold From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 4 17:09:54 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:09:54 +0000 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes, i agree , Mick.. despite being no 1 in pre release singles at Amazon etc, the only shop that stocked it in small quantities was HMV...and that simply isnt good enough. Its all about distribution and airplay.And voiceprint didnt distribute.If people had heard it enough times on Radio 2 or heck, Radio 1 ...and then been able to walk into their record shop and buy the damn thing...it might have done a lot better. Still, on a brighter note..i still say many of the best bands are judged on their albums, and their place in music history...and hawkwind can stand shoulders high on those counts, and have never really been singles fodder!Also, maybe if "the Wright Stuff" had been on tv during its release(nice one, channel 5!)Matthew could have promoted it on there,too.Perhaps Sam Fox should have sung the second verse?!! pete >From: Mick Davis >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( >Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:40:41 -0400 > >feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were beating your head against a >brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to >useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in the >uk! >its a big shame but even taking someone like mathew wright on board was no >good- he obviously has no influence at all in the media- shame! >maybe next week! _________________________________________________________________ Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 17:17:35 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:17:35 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: It is a terrible shame after all we have done that one can't even buy it from the HMV shop. Steve. In a message dated 04/09/2005 21:41:52 GMT Standard Time, mickymoocher at AOL.COM writes: Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in the uk! From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 17:13:41 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:13:41 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: If you can't get single in the shop, its not going to get in to the charts, my two copy's are still on order with HMV, & have been since 20/08/05. Went to Manchester & I got them from the HMV there, but they only had a couple of copy's. I blame the shops & media, the people at the top to have the power to determine what record gets publicity or not, & if shops don't order enough CD's then no matter how much you try to give the single a push, with no sales its going no where. I heard once, that with some of the independant stations you need to pay a fee to get air play? Ian. From itop57 at GMAIL.COM Sun Sep 4 17:26:25 2005 From: itop57 at GMAIL.COM (itop) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:26:25 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: <9a.2cf0a755.304cbe6f@aol.com> Message-ID: i got the cds on monday i looked around newcastle on sat none at hmv or vergin only one small independent shop had any at all. On 9/4/05, StevePXR5 at aol.com wrote: > > It is a terrible shame after all we have done that one can't even buy it > from the HMV shop. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 04/09/2005 21:41:52 GMT Standard Time, > mickymoocher at AOL.COM writes: > > Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to > useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in > the > uk! > -- work is the curse of the thinking class From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 18:04:45 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:04:45 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree that it was futile for the following reasons: 1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. 2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. 3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to get to hear it? 4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the more established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles "sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of Voiceprint. None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean and worthy of high praise. Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were beating your head against a > brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to > useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in the > uk! > its a big shame but even taking someone like mathew wright on board was no > good- he obviously has no influence at all in the media- shame! > maybe next week! > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Sep 4 18:28:03 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:28:03 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: <000a01c5b19c$a8e40ee0$bdda4254@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: Out of interest, what track do folks think would make a good single and attract air-play and sales? Maybe Paradox should have been the 'A' side? or perhaps a new studio version of Motorway city? Mick --- Colin Allen wrote: >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong >company. > While this was a very gallant and well put together > effort, I tend to agree > that it was futile for the following reasons: > > 1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > 2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD > buying public. > 3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the > wider, CD buying public to > get to hear it? > 4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles > market against the more > established players; they have their ways of > "ensuring" that their singles > "sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial > capability of > Voiceprint. > > None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts > have been Herculenean > and worthy of high praise. > Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong > company. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Davis" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were > beating your head against > a > > brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG > mistake as they are next to > > useless and what chance was there if it couldnt > even get in one shop in > the > > uk! > > its a big shame but even taking someone like > mathew wright on board was no > > good- he obviously has no influence at all in the > media- shame! > > maybe next week! > > > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Sep 4 18:39:33 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:39:33 -0400 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: i think it would (in a perfect world) have to be Sunray, off the new album, having now heard it a number of times, it's as catchy as hell! i can however see 2 big problems already - 1 - would they bother with another single after SOTA 2 - you'd have to get Arthur Brown to commit to another bout of touring and promo guess neither are impossible but have to say feeling a bit negative about such things at the mo. cheers dave From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Sun Sep 4 18:45:23 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:45:23 EDT Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2005 3:29:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: Out of interest, what track do folks think would make a good single and attract air-play and sales? Or, perhaps, in a bold unprecedented move, Hawkwind could...(shudders)...release a new song instead of a remake! I obviously don't have the album, but "To Love A Machine" sounded pretty catchy, maybe they should give that a try... From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Sep 4 18:45:54 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:45:54 -0500 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: <000a01c5b19c$a8e40ee0$bdda4254@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree >that it was futile for the following reasons: >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) >2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. Spirit of the Age is a great song and involving Matthew was a good choice, as he does have a reasonable level of media exposure. >3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to >get to hear it? Potentially now it's out there riding high in the Rock chart, and in the Indie Chart, more people may hear it, and some airplay will certainly do no harm for later album sales. >4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the more >established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles >"sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of >Voiceprint. Voiceprint do not have the muscle of big players like EMI etc, but I would certainly not be too hard on Rob Ayling. He seems to be doing okay, while it looks like someone like SANCTUARY are on the brink of going under according to what's being reported this week. When we were handing out/distributing the very colourful pretty flyers (that Voiceprint provided) with Mike Holmes up at Worldcon in Glasgow, people were snapping them up very quickly, so Rob is certainly doing something right. Can I also point out he seems to have damn good US distribution. >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean >and worthy of high praise. >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. Don't be a negative sourpuss Colin, the glass is more than half full. Especially when the album is released, if it enters the TOP 75, that will put it in most music stores in the land, and probably many supermarkets too which is pretty good coverage. Dave has indeed put in a great effort and deserves a jolly good slap on the back. (after he recovers from the hangover of course) As far as the charts are concerned, well singles are a promotional tool to gain album sales, so any promotion/airplay gained from the single release could result in album sales, even without a Top 40 placing. No Room for detractors here, let's just celebrate the fact that there are placings in the Rock and Indie charts!!! Rich W From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Sep 4 18:48:13 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:48:13 -0500 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: <1e6.43148d7b.304cd303@aol.com> Message-ID: To Love a Machine is a great track, and I really look forward to hearing the album version! Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Josh Schwartz Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:45 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? In a message dated 9/4/2005 3:29:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: Out of interest, what track do folks think would make a good single and attract air-play and sales? Or, perhaps, in a bold unprecedented move, Hawkwind could...(shudders)...release a new song instead of a remake! I obviously don't have the album, but "To Love A Machine" sounded pretty catchy, maybe they should give that a try... From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 4 19:14:09 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:14:09 +0000 Subject: Off The Track Fest. In-Reply-To: <020601c59f5e$1f209b60$2816bd50@default> Message-ID: Great time at the fest great views of the planes at night!Hawkwind on top form "paradox" "sword of the east" Out here we are!!!Great venue with plenty of non H.Windy types lots of families,great beer and Hawkwind really looking as though they loved every minute too!!Sorry I keep catching Daves eye...it's proberbly just me....Bloody Ace!Al. >From: "Hawkwind" >Reply-To: "Hawkwind" >To: "alan day" >Subject: Re: Off The Track Fest. >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:51:30 +0100 > >Hi Alan > >Yes Hawkwind are playing on Sat 3rd. > >It has been up on Mission Control for ages :-) > >Look under Tour dates! > >Best wishes > >Kris > >Please note that this electronic mail system is not intended to form any >legal contract or binding agreement. This is for information purposes only. >Please also note that this message should not be interpreted as any form of >valid information. You use the information contained in this message at >your >own risk. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: alan day >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:28 PM >Subject: Off The Track Fest. > > > > There's word going round that you're playing at Donnington "Trance Fest" >on > > Sept 2nd to 4th.Any truth in this?It's on teletext (ch4) Page 364> Hope >you > > are but am waiting b4 planning ought.Thanks.Alan Day. > > > > > > > From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Sep 4 22:31:16 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 19:31:16 -0700 Subject: the arty farty party party Message-ID: weirdo, witness & virgin at 33 --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > weirdo ! ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 01:49:19 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:49:19 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: In a message dated 04/09/2005 23:08:12 GMT Standard Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: . The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public I don't totally agree, if it got air play & it was readily available, the song WOULD have sold more. There's some serious rubbish in the charts & people still buy them. Ian From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 03:01:24 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:01:24 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: ive been a fan for 33 years since seeing them at southampton ice rink as a 14 yr old and to me there have only been 2 songs that could have made the charts - Right to decide with the lyrics adjusted to allow airplay and also Needle gun. Lets be honest here - if you were driving along and werent aware of hawkwind then these two would be the only ones that had a good chance- lets get dave brock to re- issue these two before xmas- they dont have to have anything to do with the album as the band name will lead you there From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 03:02:55 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:02:55 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: I seriously doubt that Arthur would be interested. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? > i think it would (in a perfect world) have to be Sunray, off the new album, > having now heard it a number of times, it's as catchy as hell! > > i can however see 2 big problems already - > > 1 - would they bother with another single after SOTA > 2 - you'd have to get Arthur Brown to commit to another bout of touring and > promo > > guess neither are impossible but have to say feeling a bit negative about > such things at the mo. > > cheers > > dave > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 03:06:38 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:06:38 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: Negative? No. Realistic? yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:05 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree > >that it was futile for the following reasons: > > >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. > Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately > have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) > > >2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > > Spirit of the Age is a great song and involving Matthew was a good choice, > as he does have a reasonable level of media exposure. > > >3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to > >get to hear it? > > Potentially now it's out there riding high in the Rock chart, and in the > Indie Chart, more people may hear it, and some airplay will certainly do no > harm for later album sales. > > >4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the > more > >established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles > >"sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > >Voiceprint. > > Voiceprint do not have the muscle of big players like EMI etc, but I would > certainly not be too hard on Rob Ayling. He seems to be doing okay, while it > looks like someone like SANCTUARY are on the brink of going under according > to what's being reported this week. > > When we were handing out/distributing the very colourful pretty flyers (that > Voiceprint provided) with Mike Holmes up at Worldcon in Glasgow, people were > snapping them up very quickly, so Rob is certainly doing something right. > Can I also point out he seems to have damn good US distribution. > > >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean > >and worthy of high praise. > >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > Don't be a negative sourpuss Colin, the glass is more than half full. > Especially when the album is released, if it enters the TOP 75, that will > put it in most music stores in the land, and probably many supermarkets too > which is pretty good coverage. > > Dave has indeed put in a great effort and deserves a jolly good slap on the > back. (after he recovers from the hangover of course) > > As far as the charts are concerned, well singles are a promotional tool to > gain album sales, so any promotion/airplay gained from the single release > could result in album sales, even without a Top 40 placing. > > No Room for detractors here, let's just celebrate the fact that there are > placings in the Rock and Indie charts!!! > > > Rich W > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 03:23:52 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:23:52 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: As for your final comment, are we all allowed to only think as instructed these days?;) Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:05 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree > >that it was futile for the following reasons: > > >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. > Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately > have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) > > >2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > > Spirit of the Age is a great song and involving Matthew was a good choice, > as he does have a reasonable level of media exposure. > > >3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to > >get to hear it? > > Potentially now it's out there riding high in the Rock chart, and in the > Indie Chart, more people may hear it, and some airplay will certainly do no > harm for later album sales. > > >4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the > more > >established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles > >"sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > >Voiceprint. > > Voiceprint do not have the muscle of big players like EMI etc, but I would > certainly not be too hard on Rob Ayling. He seems to be doing okay, while it > looks like someone like SANCTUARY are on the brink of going under according > to what's being reported this week. > > When we were handing out/distributing the very colourful pretty flyers (that > Voiceprint provided) with Mike Holmes up at Worldcon in Glasgow, people were > snapping them up very quickly, so Rob is certainly doing something right. > Can I also point out he seems to have damn good US distribution. > > >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean > >and worthy of high praise. > >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > Don't be a negative sourpuss Colin, the glass is more than half full. > Especially when the album is released, if it enters the TOP 75, that will > put it in most music stores in the land, and probably many supermarkets too > which is pretty good coverage. > > Dave has indeed put in a great effort and deserves a jolly good slap on the > back. (after he recovers from the hangover of course) > > As far as the charts are concerned, well singles are a promotional tool to > gain album sales, so any promotion/airplay gained from the single release > could result in album sales, even without a Top 40 placing. > > No Room for detractors here, let's just celebrate the fact that there are > placings in the Rock and Indie charts!!! > > > Rich W > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 03:28:25 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:28:25 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: Only two? What about Damage Of Life? Re-recorded of course. Steve. In a message dated 05/09/2005 08:03:19 GMT Standard Time, MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM writes: ive been a fan for 33 years since seeing them at southampton ice rink as a 14 yr old and to me there have only been 2 songs that could have made the charts - Right to decide with the lyrics adjusted to allow airplay and also Needle gun. From steve.bishop at DB.COM Mon Sep 5 04:03:00 2005 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:03:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Launch Pix In-Reply-To: <001c01c5afe9$34ef5cb0$f3463518@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I'm in the pic chatting to Mr Dibs and Alan Davey - my back is to the photographer, wearing the blue tablecloth shirt ...! Stephe Sent by: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET 02/09/2005 19:07 cc Subject Please respond to Re: HW: Launch Pix BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Anyone here in picture 29? Just wondering. I don't recognize anybody. Is that Tone with the coloured streaks? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Launch Pix >+ +++ + STAR WARRIORS + +++ + + > > A gallery of pictures from the Launch Party > is now up on Mission Control: > > Direct URL: > http://www.hawkwind.com/gigs/tmtyl/px1.htm > > ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + + > > www.hawkwind.com -- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 04:04:11 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:04:11 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: See below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:05 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree > >that it was futile for the following reasons: > > >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. > Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately > have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) They may well have but this is only one factor. in combination with the other factors, the small fanbase made the task more difficult. > > >2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > > Spirit of the Age is a great song and involving Matthew was a good choice, > as he does have a reasonable level of media exposure. It is a good song but it is NOT a good single for 2005; as to Mr Wright, his media exposure has helped to sell some singles (from his fan clun) but his overall media exposure is not that good. > >3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to > >get to hear it? > > Potentially now it's out there riding high in the Rock chart, and in the > Indie Chart, more people may hear it, and some airplay will certainly do no > harm for later album sales. They may, but I doubt it as most playlists are driven by the main singles chart. > > >4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the > more > >established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles > >"sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > >Voiceprint. > > Voiceprint do not have the muscle of big players like EMI etc, but I would > certainly not be too hard on Rob Ayling. He seems to be doing okay, while it > looks like someone like SANCTUARY are on the brink of going under according > to what's being reported this week. > > When we were handing out/distributing the very colourful pretty flyers (that > Voiceprint provided) with Mike Holmes up at Worldcon in Glasgow, people were > snapping them up very quickly, so Rob is certainly doing something right. > Can I also point out he seems to have damn good US distribution. You are somewhat missing the point here. I am not commenting on the success or otherwise of Mr Ayling's business, merely on the abilityor willingness of Voiceprint to do what other companies do in order to get their singles into that charts. Many companies have teams of "buyers" who are paid to buy the single from as many chart-counting shops as possible, thereby rigging the charts. I strongly suspect that this effort was far more honest than that. > >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean > >and worthy of high praise. > >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > Don't be a negative sourpuss Colin, the glass is more than half full. > Especially when the album is released, if it enters the TOP 75, that will > put it in most music stores in the land, and probably many supermarkets too > which is pretty good coverage. If (to quote a Spartan king!). > Dave has indeed put in a great effort and deserves a jolly good slap on the > back. (after he recovers from the hangover of course) > > As far as the charts are concerned, well singles are a promotional tool to > gain album sales, so any promotion/airplay gained from the single release > could result in album sales, even without a Top 40 placing. I suspect that charting this single meant far more than that to some people. > > No Room for detractors here, let's just celebrate the fact that there are > placings in the Rock and Indie charts!!! Is this the Taleban or a Hawkwind discussion group? > > > Rich W > Colin From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 04:48:57 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:48:57 +0100 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: <20050902161021.17447.qmail@web26503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: you boring, waster. go get cleaned up and join a listserv that you need to be involved with rather than your too close to the knuckle Nazi spoutings.. you have been warned before..... From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 5 05:08:42 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:08:42 -0400 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off Message-ID: seconded excuse my ignorance here but why can't this bloke be banned, i actually find most of his comments not "near the knuckle" but downright offensive and ultimately totally incoherant. i'd happily put my name to some sort of petition to remove this utter waste of space from the list and hope everyone else on here would as well. regards Dave p.s - may i also apologise for my spelling indiscretion as pointed out by Alan Taylor, of course twat is spelt with an a and not * that's what you waster a TWAT From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 5 05:54:44 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:54:44 -0400 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: Hi, well...I remember some time ago..."angela android" being mentioned as the single by the band.Now, its not CLASSIC hawkwind...and not the best track on the album, but its modern,with quirky(quarky?) lyrics...and no disrespect to Richard, but maybe if Matthew had sung that, with Lene doing the chorus..it might have done a lot better AND tempted people to buy the album too! Sadly, despite better production/recording techniques, the original version of S.O.T.A. sounds more MODERN to me, coming from the post-punk era with Bob singing. But without any major advertising,big airplay and proper distribution to the shops, NO SINGLES going to sell... Meanwhile,unfortunately, Colin still seems to have his grudge to bare... Secondly, i'll sign the form to get AMPHETAMINE banned , too!(you should see the oddball posting completely irrelevent gobbledygook on my bands website!!) Pete From coral at APORT.RU Mon Sep 5 06:18:41 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:18:41 +0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: Miracles don't happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > See below. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:05 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > > > >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to > agree > > >that it was futile for the following reasons: > > > > >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > > > Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. > > Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately > > have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) > > They may well have but this is only one factor. in combination with the > other factors, the small fanbase made the task more difficult. > > > > > >2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > > > > Spirit of the Age is a great song and involving Matthew was a good choice, > > as he does have a reasonable level of media exposure. > > It is a good song but it is NOT a good single for 2005; as to Mr Wright, his > media exposure has helped to sell some singles (from his fan clun) but his > overall media exposure is not that good. > > > >3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public > to > > >get to hear it? > > > > Potentially now it's out there riding high in the Rock chart, and in the > > Indie Chart, more people may hear it, and some airplay will certainly do > no > > harm for later album sales. > > They may, but I doubt it as most playlists are driven by the main singles > chart. > > > > > >4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the > > more > > >established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their > singles > > >"sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > > >Voiceprint. > > > > Voiceprint do not have the muscle of big players like EMI etc, but I would > > certainly not be too hard on Rob Ayling. He seems to be doing okay, while > it > > looks like someone like SANCTUARY are on the brink of going under > according > > to what's being reported this week. > > > > When we were handing out/distributing the very colourful pretty flyers > (that > > Voiceprint provided) with Mike Holmes up at Worldcon in Glasgow, people > were > > snapping them up very quickly, so Rob is certainly doing something right. > > Can I also point out he seems to have damn good US distribution. > > You are somewhat missing the point here. I am not commenting on the success > or otherwise of Mr Ayling's business, merely on the abilityor willingness of > Voiceprint to do what other companies do in order to get their singles into > that charts. Many companies have teams of "buyers" who are paid to buy the > single from as many chart-counting shops as possible, thereby rigging the > charts. I strongly suspect that this effort was far more honest than that. > > > >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been > Herculenean > > >and worthy of high praise. > > >Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > > > Don't be a negative sourpuss Colin, the glass is more than half full. > > Especially when the album is released, if it enters the TOP 75, that will > > put it in most music stores in the land, and probably many supermarkets > too > > which is pretty good coverage. > > If (to quote a Spartan king!). > > > Dave has indeed put in a great effort and deserves a jolly good slap on > the > > back. (after he recovers from the hangover of course) > > > > As far as the charts are concerned, well singles are a promotional tool to > > gain album sales, so any promotion/airplay gained from the single release > > could result in album sales, even without a Top 40 placing. > > I suspect that charting this single meant far more than that to some people. > > > > > No Room for detractors here, let's just celebrate the fact that there are > > placings in the Rock and Indie charts!!! > > Is this the Taleban or a Hawkwind discussion group? > > > > > > > Rich W > > > > Colin > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 07:02:07 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:02:07 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:08:37 -0500 Message-ID: Rich writes: > Charts are less than an hour off...Fingers Crossed. :-) Listened to 'em on the way back from Off The Tracks. Sometjing occured to me though: When I was a kid, the charts were compiled on a Wednesday (my uncle's record shop had 'em posted in the window on a Thursday) and then released on radio on the Sunday evening. If that's still the case(?), then surely Hawkwind's sales would count for next week? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 07:13:44 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:13:44 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: Michael Crook's message of Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: Michael Crook writes: > Out of interest, what track do folks think would make > a good single and attract air-play and sales? Angela Android, just for the hell of it... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 07:24:32 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:24:32 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > You are somewhat missing the point here. I am not commenting on the success > or otherwise of Mr Ayling's business, merely on the abilityor willingness of > Voiceprint to do what other companies do in order to get their singles into > that charts. Many companies have teams of "buyers" who are paid to buy the > single from as many chart-counting shops as possible, thereby rigging the > charts. I strongly suspect that this effort was far more honest than that. I have friends in the record business well outside of where Hawkwind are sitting. There are bicycle couriers hired to take bags of coke (and not the brown sticky stuff that rots your teeth) to certain DJ's in return for airplay of the right single. Of course this could be dismissed as conspiracy theory. However, even the briefest historical look at bribery scandals, from Payola onwards, indicates that where young men are in a position to play records and make large amounts of money for large companies, those companies will find extralegal ways of persuading those young men to do their bidding if that's easier than competing fairly in free markets (let's face it, it's true outside of the rock business too) then that's what they'll do. Interestingly Elliot Spitzer, he of Enron-busting and the current General in the US of anti-corruption drives, is looking at investigating another Payola type scandal in the US and it's mainly about rigging the charts. > > >None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been > Herculenean Yup, here's my salute to Dave... FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 5 07:25:20 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:25:20 +0000 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: <200509051113.j85BDiLN011650@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Wouldn't know neither the mail order singles (CDS) or album (Amazon) have turned up yet! Grrrr >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:13:44 +0100 > >Michael Crook writes: > > > Out of interest, what track do folks think would make > > a good single and attract air-play and sales? > >Angela Android, just for the hell of it... > >FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 07:28:50 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:28:50 +0100 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: Dave Law's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: Dave Law writes: > excuse my ignorance here but why can't this bloke be banned, i actually find > most of his comments not "near the knuckle" but downright offensive and > ultimately totally incoherant. > i'd happily put my name to some sort of petition to remove this utter waste > of space from the list and hope everyone else on here would as well. Count me out. I detest censorship. I deal with Nazis either by arguing in such a way as to clearly demonstrate their fuckwittedness or simply by ignoring them until they go away. Since our tame one is clearly unable to keep off the drugs long enough to muster a coherent thought, he'd clearly be unarmed and naked as far as a battle of wits goes. I suggest we just ignore him. FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 07:29:07 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:29:07 +0100 Subject: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? In-Reply-To: <200509051102.j85B27VU008961@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: BTW I ordered the 2 singles from Amazon, and as of Friday pm they still hadn't been shipped & therefore I hadnt paid for them. This would say to me that they were not included in last weeks count. Anyone actual got the CD's in their possession from Amazon yet ? Regards Iain From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 5 17:48:16 2005 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:48:16 +1000 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: The Only Ones as it has a Moody Blues feel to it. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? > Michael Crook writes: > >> Out of interest, what track do folks think would make >> a good single and attract air-play and sales? > > Angela Android, just for the hell of it... > > FoFP > From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 5 08:01:11 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:01:11 -0400 Subject: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? Message-ID: well mine turned up last week, there's no reason for me to be special case, but maybe i was lucky, there does appear to be a lot of you out there still waiting one of the problems we had is that these days Hawkwind are very much an unknown quantity and the main shops are loathe to take a "punt" on such things so you have to take what you can get and on that score Voiceprint should be congratulated on getting the single made available through 2 major outlets - Amazon & HMV on a slightly different track (it saves making loads of replies to individual posts) Alas Mike i think you're a bit behind the times as far as how the chart is compiled, one of the reasons that the chart count was stopped on a Wednesday is that back then the retailer would have sent in a declaration of how many of each single he'd sold and when i mean sent i'm talking post so you'd have to allow a couple of days for the data to get to the compiler, however for many years it's been done by the swipe of a bar code reader thats linked to a central computer and so hence sales can be recorded right up to a few hours beforehand, i guess a click of a button and the whole chart now prints off, the only time that's needed is to get the actual radio show together, scripted etc. i do firmly believe that when we (if it's possible to do so) get the actual figures of how many copies were sold over a 2 or 3 week period, that had we managed to get all those sales in a seven day period we would have at least dented the lower reaches of the top 40, but the simple fact is that we didn't! i must also say that as far as dedicated buyers and DJ's recieving unsolicited gifts so that they can go and play with their best friend "Charlie" then i'm sure these are all true but i have to say that as far as this campaign goes the behaviour of everyone involved was exemplary, that includes the band and management, Rob Ayling and all at Voiceprint and myself, i don't think i'm breaking any rules by saying that the Hawks and Rob were both worried that too much involvement from them in the Chart Trek campaign could have been construed as "Chart Rigging" and whilst for whatever reason we didn't get the result we wanted we should all be proud that we played it fair and square, although what good did that do us? may i finish off by saying (and i should have done this earlier) thank you to all of you who helped by handing out flyers etc, regardless of the outcome you still did a great job and i'm sure i speak on everyones behalf connected with the release, you did good well rambled enough and i'm trying to get away from all of this for a while! regards Dave From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Sep 5 08:02:58 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:02:58 -0400 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: <200509051128.j85BSosh016776@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M Holmes : > Dave Law writes: > > > excuse my ignorance here but why can't this bloke be banned, i actually > find > > most of his comments not "near the knuckle" but downright offensive and > > ultimately totally incoherant. > > > i'd happily put my name to some sort of petition to remove this utter waste > > of space from the list and hope everyone else on here would as well. > > Count me out. I detest censorship. I deal with Nazis either by arguing > in such a way as to clearly demonstrate their fuckwittedness or simply > by ignoring them until they go away. > > Since our tame one is clearly unable to keep off the drugs long enough > to muster a coherent thought, he'd clearly be unarmed and naked as far > as a battle of wits goes. I suggest we just ignore him. Or set up your own killfile/mail filter. Works like a charm. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 08:26:23 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:26:23 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: i think the problem was done to the fact that a lot of hawkwinds hardcore fanbase are not online so probably didnt even know about the chart trek campaign. ALso does anyone know how many singles you need to sell to break the top forty? Also do any of us know the potential number of sales hawkwind should expect for releasing a cd single or album? Does voiceprint release its sales figures for hawkwinds previous cd's on their label? Colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree > that it was futile for the following reasons: > > 1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > 2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > 3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public to > get to hear it? > 4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the more > established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles > "sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > Voiceprint. > > None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean > and worthy of high praise. > Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Davis" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were beating your head against > a > > brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to > > useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in > the > > uk! > > its a big shame but even taking someone like mathew wright on board was no > > good- he obviously has no influence at all in the media- shame! > > maybe next week! > > > From ben at TMK.COM Mon Sep 5 08:52:38 2005 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:52:38 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Re: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: <431C0679.70702@aol.com> Message-ID: > you boring, waster. go get cleaned up and join a listserv that you need > to be involved with rather than your too close to the knuckle Nazi > spoutings.. you have been warned before..... Ok... things: 1) Amphetamine Embalmer is now on moderator review. That means I (once again) get to approve postings before anyone else sees them. 2) While this list *tends* towards self-moderation, I *can* (as I have now) step in. I don't necessarily, though, read every single posting, nor do I pay attention to all threads. This means that, if someone's misbehaving, the correct approach is for someone to contact me and ask me to take a look at something. I don't recall ever *not* being responsive. The *right* way to get my input / action on something is not to post to the list. It's to handle it off-list, the way we've typically done in the past. Your friendly neighborhood moderator, Ben From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Sep 5 09:18:38 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:18:38 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: Mike Coleman, perchance? On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:14:27 -0400, Mike Montfort wrote: >Hopefully he's not a Dr. > >roger wrote: > >> who is Mike Who? >> >> Mike Montfort wrote: >> >>> Rik Rx wrote: >>> >>>> MIKE ?????? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Mike Who >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: >> 02/09/2005 >> >> >> From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Sep 5 09:30:30 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:30:30 -0400 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off Message-ID: To be real, he's not a nazi. They would have shot him in the head long ago. :-) > Dave Law writes: > >> excuse my ignorance here but why can't this bloke be banned, i actually >> find >> most of his comments not "near the knuckle" but downright offensive and >> ultimately totally incoherant. > >> i'd happily put my name to some sort of petition to remove this utter >> waste >> of space from the list and hope everyone else on here would as well. > > Count me out. I detest censorship. I deal with Nazis either by arguing > in such a way as to clearly demonstrate their fuckwittedness or simply > by ignoring them until they go away. > > Since our tame one is clearly unable to keep off the drugs long enough > to muster a coherent thought, he'd clearly be unarmed and naked as far > as a battle of wits goes. I suggest we just ignore him. > > FoFP From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Sep 5 09:31:26 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:31:26 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: Mike who??? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: indian runner/whistle blower > Mike Coleman, perchance? > > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:14:27 -0400, Mike Montfort > wrote: > >>Hopefully he's not a Dr. >> >>roger wrote: >> >>> who is Mike Who? >>> >>> Mike Montfort wrote: >>> >>>> Rik Rx wrote: >>>> >>>>> MIKE ?????? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Mike Who >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: >>> 02/09/2005 >>> >>> >>> From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 09:27:34 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:27:34 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL +DVD In-Reply-To: Cyberkrel's message of Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:12 +0100 Message-ID: Cyberkrel writes: > > The first 2000 copies of our new studio album will > > include an exclusive DVD containing rare & behind the scenes > > footage > Yes - and CD Services will not see a single copy - how fantastic is that!! > Between the label and the band, right now, I feel like I've been squarely > kicked in the teeth - the first time I've felt that way in 26 years of > selling Hawkwind CD's - and that's all I'm going to say on the subject. As a longtime customer of CS Services - I've been buying Hawwind through Ande since 1978 I think, that does seem a bit off. I've bought from Amazon this time to help the Chart Trek campaign though. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 09:36:26 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:36:26 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:57:25 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > Back in the 1980s there used to be a record shop in Soho that sold BBC > transcription disks. Curiously, some naughty people issued audience > recordings on perfectly copied BBC transcriptions disk vinyl. I have a > beautiful Led Zeppelin audience recording from 1975 which is on what looks > like a pair of genuine BBC transcription disks. Both of my Hawkwind BBC Transcription disk came with a sort of contract sheet. Of course they could be faked too... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 09:40:30 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:40:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:40:05 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all > the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got > one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - > certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). > > Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's heading > south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked me to check on > his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still > to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest > I would guess. > > He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) Panic over. Kris very kindly brought copies for both Keith H and myself to Off The Tracks. We did however take two nephews to the festival for their first ever glimpse of a rock band. Sadly they both fell asleep around Assassins of Allah and they'd both been looking forward to seeing the band do Spirit of the Age (after several times through it in the car and at the festie. If anyone finds themselves with spare Promos to give away then I can supply the addresses of some young lads who'd be very grateful and are already impressed by the friendliness of Hawkwind fans... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 09:48:40 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:48:40 +0100 Subject: Launch event/Hawkwind Good Luck Charm In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: Rich writes: > Just to prove Hawkwind are once again my good luck charm... > > I picked up the guitar to learn Paradox this morning, so strumming away, the > telephone rings and... > > I was offered a job starting next week. > > I get to join the ranks of happy people who get 35% discount on SF Books > (i.e. a Bookseller) Hey, congrats Rich!! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 10:00:40 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:00:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > Just struck me that the "still underage" line in Starfarer's Dispatch might > not help its chances. Though it's relatively (heh!) clear from context that this means that she was too young to undergo cryosleep without parental permission. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 10:16:20 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:16:20 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: Bill & Cynthia's message of Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:48:16 +1000 Message-ID: Bill & Cynthia writes: > The Only Ones as it has a Moody Blues feel to it. Another possibility would be a revamped Kings of Speed. The chorus is catchy but the lyrics would need to be distinguishable for it to work as a single. Of course what they really need for the job is "The DNA Cowboys"... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 10:24:13 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:24:13 +0100 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:18:38 -0400 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > Mike Coleman, perchance? If you mean the postings of the lacksitted amphetamine person then it's not quite Mike C's style. The style, being akin to that of the unpopular schoolboy who posts in between being nagged to tidy up his room, smacks of the same tame nazi we've had trouble with before. I expect his mum will be along shortly to gie him his meds, tuck him in, and read him a story from "Mein Kampf For Idiots". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 10:24:53 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:24:53 +0100 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: Stephe's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: Stephe writes: > To be real, he's not a nazi. They would have shot him in the head long ago. How would we tell? FoFP From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Sep 5 11:17:50 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:17:50 -0500 Subject: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? Message-ID: I ordered the singles at least a month in advance of the release date, but they still haven't shipped, but I dismissed that as a consequence of living in the US. John Majka > BTW > > I ordered the 2 singles from Amazon, and as of Friday pm they still > hadn't been shipped & therefore I hadnt paid for them. This would say to > me that they were not included in last weeks count. > > Anyone actual got the CD's in their possession from Amazon yet ? > > > Regards > Iain From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 5 11:39:25 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:39:25 -0400 Subject: just out of curiousity Message-ID: don't know if this'll prove much but I've just set up the following poll at http://uv1.pollhost.com/ self explanatory, you can vote for more than one category but please only vote the once, it won't take a second and i think the results might be interesting cheers Dave From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 11:51:09 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:51:09 +0100 Subject: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? Message-ID: Yep -mine turned up on Thursday whilst I was in London...... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? > BTW > > I ordered the 2 singles from Amazon, and as of Friday pm they still > hadn't been shipped & therefore I hadnt paid for them. This would say to > me that they were not included in last weeks count. > > Anyone actual got the CD's in their possession from Amazon yet ? > > > Regards > Iain > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005 From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Mon Sep 5 12:03:20 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:03:20 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <200509051424.j85EOD7s007148@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Do we difinitively know what happened to Mike Coleman? M Holmes wrote: >Rik Rx writes: > > > >>Mike Coleman, perchance? >> >> > >If you mean the postings of the lacksitted amphetamine person then it's >not quite Mike C's style. The style, being akin to that of the >unpopular schoolboy who posts in between being nagged to tidy up his >room, smacks of the same tame nazi we've had trouble with before. I >expect his mum will be along shortly to gie him his meds, tuck him in, >and read him a story from "Mein Kampf For Idiots". > >FoFP > > > > > From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 12:05:50 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:05:50 EDT Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! Message-ID: IV GOT 1 SPARE IF YOU SEND ME YOUR ADRESS From Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE Mon Sep 5 12:24:53 2005 From: Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE (Wilfried Schuesler) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:24:53 +0200 Subject: AW: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <431C6C48.2040904@mikemontfort.com> Message-ID: -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von Mike Montfort Gesendet: Montag, 5. September 2005 18:03 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: indian runner/whistle blower Do we difinitively know what happened to Mike Coleman? Mike Coleman is still alive. I spoke to him on the phone a few weeks. No computer and no personal phone number though... Wilfried >Rik Rx writes: > > > >>Mike Coleman, perchance? From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Sep 5 12:28:54 2005 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:28:54 -0400 Subject: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <200509051424.j85EOD7s007148@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Rik Rx writes: > > >>Mike Coleman, perchance? > > > If you mean the postings of the lacksitted amphetamine person then it's > not quite Mike C's style. The style, being akin to that of the > unpopular schoolboy who posts in between being nagged to tidy up his > room, smacks of the same tame nazi we've had trouble with before. I > expect his mum will be along shortly to gie him his meds, tuck him in, > and read him a story from "Mein Kampf For Idiots". I thought his name was Chris something or other. It's been a few years, but he's the one who said the Hell's Angels made him sell all his Hawkwind stuff. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 12:29:07 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:29:07 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Never seen one of them; I do have a genuine Led Zeppelin transcription disk which has a sheet containing all of the information for the continuity announcer, including later rude annotations by a certain band member. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > Colin Allen writes: > > > Back in the 1980s there used to be a record shop in Soho that sold BBC > > transcription disks. Curiously, some naughty people issued audience > > recordings on perfectly copied BBC transcriptions disk vinyl. I have a > > beautiful Led Zeppelin audience recording from 1975 which is on what looks > > like a pair of genuine BBC transcription disks. > > Both of my Hawkwind BBC Transcription disk came with a sort of contract > sheet. Of course they could be faked too... > > FoFP > From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Mon Sep 5 12:30:45 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:30:45 -0400 Subject: AW: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: <200509051624.j85GOwB9026044@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Glad he is alive and well. I wasn't sure. Tell him to find an internet cafe lol. Mike Wilfried Schuesler wrote: >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im >Auftrag von Mike Montfort >Gesendet: Montag, 5. September 2005 18:03 >An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Betreff: Re: indian runner/whistle blower > >Do we difinitively know what happened to Mike Coleman? > >Mike Coleman is still alive. > >I spoke to him on the phone a few weeks. > >No computer and no personal phone number though... > >Wilfried > > > > > >>Rik Rx writes: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Mike Coleman, perchance? >>> >>> > > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 12:39:08 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:39:08 +0100 Subject: AW: indian runner/whistle blower In-Reply-To: Wilfried Schuesler's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:24:53 +0200 Message-ID: Wilfried Schuesler writes: > Mike Coleman is still alive. > > I spoke to him on the phone a few weeks. > > No computer and no personal phone number though... Has he recovered? FoFP From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 12:48:43 2005 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:48:43 EDT Subject: AW: indian runner/whistle blower Message-ID: I'm very glad to hear that someone is in touch with Mike Coleman. Wilfried, if you get back in touch with him please give him best regards from Eli Friedman, and let him know the group misses his "special" contributions. Thanks. Yours, Eli In a message dated 9/5/05 11:26:33 AM, Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE writes: << Do we difinitively know what happened to Mike Coleman? Mike Coleman is still alive. I spoke to him on the phone a few weeks. No computer and no personal phone number though... Wilfried >> From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 13:16:21 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:16:21 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks "incident"? Message-ID: Does anyone know for certain what happened? FoFP From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Sep 5 13:25:36 2005 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:25:36 +0100 Subject: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? Message-ID: I think a huge vote of thanks is in order for Dave Law and everyone else involved in this. Even if it's just raised the profile of the band via radio play, that in itself is a worthy achievement. Bloody well done, mate! Keith K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? > well mine turned up last week, there's no reason for me to be special case, > but maybe i was lucky, there does appear to be a lot of you out there still > waiting > > one of the problems we had is that these days Hawkwind are very much an > unknown quantity and the main shops are loathe to take a "punt" on such > things so you have to take what you can get and on that score Voiceprint > should be congratulated on getting the single made available through 2 major > outlets - Amazon & HMV > > on a slightly different track (it saves making loads of replies to > individual posts) Alas Mike i think you're a bit behind the times as far as > how the chart is compiled, one of the reasons that the chart count was > stopped on a Wednesday is that back then the retailer would have sent in a > declaration of how many of each single he'd sold and when i mean sent i'm > talking post so you'd have to allow a couple of days for the data to get to > the compiler, however for many years it's been done by the swipe of a bar > code reader thats linked to a central computer and so hence sales can be > recorded right up to a few hours beforehand, i guess a click of a button and > the whole chart now prints off, the only time that's needed is to get the > actual radio show together, scripted etc. > > i do firmly believe that when we (if it's possible to do so) get the actual > figures of how many copies were sold over a 2 or 3 week period, that had we > managed to get all those sales in a seven day period we would have at least > dented the lower reaches of the top 40, but the simple fact is that we didn't! > > i must also say that as far as dedicated buyers and DJ's recieving > unsolicited gifts so that they can go and play with their best friend > "Charlie" then i'm sure these are all true but i have to say that as far as > this campaign goes the behaviour of everyone involved was exemplary, that > includes the band and management, Rob Ayling and all at Voiceprint and > myself, i don't think i'm breaking any rules by saying that the Hawks and > Rob were both worried that too much involvement from them in the Chart Trek > campaign could have been construed as "Chart Rigging" and whilst for > whatever reason we didn't get the result we wanted we should all be proud > that we played it fair and square, although what good did that do us? > > may i finish off by saying (and i should have done this earlier) thank you > to all of you who helped by handing out flyers etc, regardless of the > outcome you still did a great job and i'm sure i speak on everyones behalf > connected with the release, you did good > > well rambled enough and i'm trying to get away from all of this for a while! > > regards > > Dave From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Sep 5 13:24:57 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:24:57 -0500 Subject: Off The Tracks "incident"? In-Reply-To: <200509051716.j85HGLT0026480@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Um..what incident is this Mike? Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:16 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Off The Tracks "incident"? Does anyone know for certain what happened? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 5 14:14:02 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:14:02 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks "incident"? In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: Rich writes: > Um..what incident is this Mike? That's what I'm asking. They made announcements from the stage asking any witnesses to go and see the cops. There were a bunch of cops and ambulance folks at the camping area on early Saturday evening. On the plus side though: two folks got married there. FoFP From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 5 15:18:06 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:18:06 +0100 Subject: Off The Tracks "incident"? In-Reply-To: <200509051814.j85IE2Ft011212@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Somebody killed themselves by OD'ing -( -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 05 September 2005 19:14 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Off The Tracks "incident"? Rich writes: > Um..what incident is this Mike? That's what I'm asking. They made announcements from the stage asking any witnesses to go and see the cops. There were a bunch of cops and ambulance folks at the camping area on early Saturday evening. On the plus side though: two folks got married there. FoFP From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 5 15:46:17 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:46:17 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: <19d.3b6e230c.304d4744@aol.com> Message-ID: I agree, 'Right to Decide' would be my choice. I recall the first time it was released as a single/EP (can't remember what it was classed as) Mark Radcliffe gave it a fair bit of airplay at a reasonable time (1.30am indeed!!)and he remarked that other DJs had asked him about the track. Also, only a minor observation I know, but I noticed when the track was played live, the staff at the various venues I attended (in other words - non-fans) seemed to like it - it's catchy and got a 'sing along' chorus. Now if Voiceprint where to release it along with live versions of 'Where are You Now and Brainbox Pollution, you would have one hell of single!!! Mick --- Mick Davis wrote: > ive been a fan for 33 years since seeing them at > southampton ice rink as a > 14 yr old and to me there have only been 2 songs > that could have made the > charts - Right to decide with the lyrics adjusted > to allow airplay and also Needle > gun. Lets be honest here - if you were driving > along and werent aware of > hawkwind then these two would be the only ones that > had a good chance- lets get > dave brock to re- issue these two before xmas- they > dont have to have > anything to do with the album as the band name will > lead you there > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 15:50:54 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:50:54 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: Right to Decide is possibly the best "single material" that the band have produced in 20 years. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > I agree, 'Right to Decide' would be my choice. > > I recall the first time it was released as a single/EP > (can't remember what it was classed as) Mark Radcliffe > gave it a fair bit of airplay at a reasonable time > (1.30am indeed!!)and he remarked that other DJs had > asked him about the track. > Also, only a minor observation I know, but I noticed > when the track was played live, the staff at the > various venues I attended (in other words - non-fans) > seemed to like it - it's catchy and got a 'sing along' > chorus. Now if Voiceprint where to release it along > with live versions of 'Where are You Now and Brainbox > Pollution, you would have one hell of single!!! > > Mick > > --- Mick Davis wrote: > > > ive been a fan for 33 years since seeing them at > > southampton ice rink as a > > 14 yr old and to me there have only been 2 songs > > that could have made the > > charts - Right to decide with the lyrics adjusted > > to allow airplay and also Needle > > gun. Lets be honest here - if you were driving > > along and werent aware of > > hawkwind then these two would be the only ones that > > had a good chance- lets get > > dave brock to re- issue these two before xmas- they > > dont have to have > > anything to do with the album as the band name will > > lead you there > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 16:45:02 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:45:02 EDT Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: im glad other people can see the wood thru the trees! were all big hawkwind fans and there is no better live group as we know and although some of the albums are weak , they are primarily an album band. I firmly believe if you had an ep of right to decide, brainbox pollution live when they crank it up and jam at the end, needle gun and a beefed up version of psi power then you have got the four strongest single tracks and the djs could choose any one of the four and all of them are radio material - these tracks i firmly believe would get the band back in the limelight for sure ! From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 5 17:00:24 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:00:24 -0400 Subject: just out of curiousity Message-ID: thanks to all of you who replied, i've had over 65 now and feel that there is now enough data that we can make use of it! anyway the results make fascinating reading and I'll try to put it in a nutshell - from what data I've gathered i suspect that something in the region of 50% of the total orders have yet to be despatched and that's from someone (me) who doesn't have the greatest brain on their head, some key points are a - most of you ordered from Amazon.co.uk, we banged on long enough about this and they were the first to offer it for sale so this all fits in, approximately 50% of the votes cast (33) are now proud owners of SOTA thanks to the online retailer. BUT a further 18 of you are still waiting! that in itself is over twice as much! b - far fewer, as expected ordered from HMV and this time the mathematics are even easier to calculate - 6 of you have received it whilst 6 of you haven't put another way a straight 50% c - and just for the record a couple of you shunned both these giants and went for another retailer, well credit where it's due you've both got yours! thanks for your support in this (again!) and if you haven't done so please vote, remember it's at http://uv1.pollhost.com/ and will literally take seconds of your time. i fully understand that you can make figures look exactly how you want them to but I'd argue that there definitely a pattern here. I'll leave you with one fault here, assuming that both these retailers had sufficient copies, and lets be honest they've been taking orders for nearly 6 weeks now and i don't think there was a great surge at the last minute then i reckon part of it is a case of, addopting the role of Amazon or HMV team leader "we'll process the more important orders first, the stuff that's going to chart high but when you've got a minute can you despatch some of these Hawkwind orders, don't know why but there's bl**dy loads of them!" somehow i can't see them taking the same attitude for the likes of Robbie Williams or Oasis! makes you think cheers Dave From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 17:16:25 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:16:25 EDT Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: TV & Radio advertising!!! The money spent on the SOTA Video, that most of us may never see, could have been spent on advertising the forth coming album TMTYL on TV, this would have made people more aware of Hawkwind. Most of the younger generation don't even know Hawkwind exists. Advertising the SOTA single on commercial radio would have got some sort of airplay, also it could have mentioned the fact Matthew Wright was also singing on the track, it dose not mention his name anywhere on the single covers, so to old Hawk fans, who do not know about Matthew involvement, will just see this as another SOTA remake. Angela Android, would have made a far better single, its got a catchy beat, & with a bit of radio advertising, could have got a lot of people interested. Someone said The Right To Decide would be a good single, but that would be promoting an old album that's hard to get hold of, you need the new songs to promote the Hawkwind of today. Ian From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 17:30:16 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:30:16 EDT Subject: just out of curiousity Message-ID: Hi Dave I voted that I got my CD's, but I've still got two on order which I haven't yet received from a different HMV, I got fed-up waiting so I went to the City for them (Manchester). & they only had two left. Ian From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 17:40:55 2005 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:40:55 +0100 Subject: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? In-Reply-To: <431C2C03.9040500@aol.com> Message-ID: I gave u[ waiting of Amazon and bought them from HMV in Carlisle for a bargain ?1.99 each I agree with a previous poster Angela Android would have made a more marketable commodity. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Iain Ferguson Sent: 05 September 2005 12:29 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? BTW I ordered the 2 singles from Amazon, and as of Friday pm they still hadn't been shipped & therefore I hadnt paid for them. This would say to me that they were not included in last weeks count. Anyone actual got the CD's in their possession from Amazon yet ? Regards Iain From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Mon Sep 5 18:09:14 2005 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:09:14 -0500 Subject: Lemmy on VH1 Classic In-Reply-To: <20050905125238.GB26331@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Lemmy is on VH1 Classic Hangin' With It is on currently (5-6pm Central). From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 18:08:12 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:08:12 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: The problem is that, outside of Virgin, HMV and the like, the independent music shop in the UK selling CD singles at all, scarcely exists, and the buyers at the multiples, wouldn;t buy in more than five or so copies of a Hawkwind single (other than Silver Machine) to save their lives. But let's suppose every HMV in the land had 5 copies of the single on day one and sold all 5 on day one - you can bet your bottom dollar that half of them wouldn't re-order it with any priority. If the shops don;t think the public want anything, then there's no way you'll get them to stock it. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: colm mcwilliams To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > i think the problem was done to the fact that a lot of hawkwinds hardcore > fanbase are not online so probably didnt even know about the chart trek > campaign. ALso does anyone know how many singles you need to sell to break > the top forty? > > Also do any of us know the potential number of sales hawkwind should expect > for releasing a cd single or album? Does voiceprint release its sales > figures for hawkwinds previous cd's on their label? > > Colm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:04 PM > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to > agree > > that it was futile for the following reasons: > > > > 1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > 2. The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public. > > 3. Publicity and airplay were poor - how was the wider, CD buying public > to > > get to hear it? > > 4. It is almost impossible to compete in the singles market against the > more > > established players; they have their ways of "ensuring" that their singles > > "sell" well, which are probably beyond the financial capability of > > Voiceprint. > > > > None of this reflects badly on Dave Law; his efforts have been Herculenean > > and worthy of high praise. > > Unfortunately, it was the wrong song and the wrong company. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mick Davis" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:40 PM > > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > > > > > > feel for you dave but in all honesty , you were beating your head > against > > a > > > brick wall. Going with voiceprint was a BIG mistake as they are next to > > > useless and what chance was there if it couldnt even get in one shop in > > the > > > uk! > > > its a big shame but even taking someone like mathew wright on board was > no > > > good- he obviously has no influence at all in the media- shame! > > > maybe next week! > > > > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 18:11:45 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:11:45 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: Back in the '60's we had parents who said that - "perfectly good music around from Perry Como and all we get in the charts is that Beatles crap!! Kinda puts it into perspective. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: We didn't do it ;-( > well can i just say that in a somewhat emotional state i have to admit that > this isn't going to happen. (SOTA charting) > > quite why we didn't get anywhere I'm not really sure, other than the obvious > - we didn't sell enough and conspiracy theories should be treated with the > contempt they deserve! > > i guess in a day or so I'll be able to look and see that we have done some > good as far as exposure for the band goes but at the moment it is very hard > to stomach that all this crap that makes up the charts (with a couple of > exceptions) can outsell a band as great as the Hawks! > > we did our best but alas the best wasn't good enough! > > cheers and as ever thanks > > Dave > > p.s - i'll say this whilst in a somewhat p***ed of state of mind, but can't > someone ban that tw*t Amphetamine Embalmer (don't know if i've spelt it > right and frankly don't give a sh*t)you have absolutely nothing constructive > to say about HW or anything else for that matter you sad crank head and as > for you biggoted views people like you just make me sick, you are one sad > individual > > thanks feel (slightly) better now From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 18:12:19 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:12:19 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: Silver Machine - it's the only single that will chart - ipso facto!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? > i think it would (in a perfect world) have to be Sunray, off the new album, > having now heard it a number of times, it's as catchy as hell! > > i can however see 2 big problems already - > > 1 - would they bother with another single after SOTA > 2 - you'd have to get Arthur Brown to commit to another bout of touring and > promo > > guess neither are impossible but have to say feeling a bit negative about > such things at the mo. > > cheers > > dave From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 18:14:28 2005 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:14:28 +0100 Subject: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off In-Reply-To: <200509051424.j85EOrpp007242@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Didn't realize he was a nazi just assumed he was a Looney easy mistake to make -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 05 September 2005 15:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: to amphetamine embalmer - please fuck off Stephe writes: > To be real, he's not a nazi. They would have shot him in the head long > ago. How would we tell? FoFP From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 18:20:31 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:20:31 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: That's because the public out there LIKE them!!! Jeez - music is in the ear of the beholder - I hate rap with a passion but I'd defend its right to exist and be popular to my dying day. There is no such thing as crap music - there is music you like and music you don't like - but it's all music. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Kershaw To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > In a message dated 04/09/2005 23:08:12 GMT Standard Time, > colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > . The song was not going to appeal to the wider, CD buying public > > > I don't totally agree, if it got air play & it was readily available, the > song WOULD have sold more. There's some serious rubbish in the charts & people > still buy them. > Ian From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 18:25:22 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:25:22 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: nooooooooo...............not a chance - you would lose so much money by trying to TV advertise a single, you'd be out of your mind to try. The record companies mostly lose money on singles as it is - why else the headlong rush to make everyone download the things!! - and spending money on one just to get it to chart would surely mean a visit from the men in the white coats!!!! TV advertising the album is a different matter - but then you've got to have the money - and even a label like SPV would not have THAT sort of money, let alone Voiceprint - and the companies who DO have the money, wouldn't sign Hawkwind. Catch 22!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Kershaw To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? > TV & Radio advertising!!! The money spent on the SOTA Video, that most of us > may never see, could have been spent on advertising the forth coming album > TMTYL on TV, this would have made people more aware of Hawkwind. Most of the > younger generation don't even know Hawkwind exists. Advertising the SOTA > single on commercial radio would have got some sort of airplay, also it could have > mentioned the fact Matthew Wright was also singing on the track, it dose not > mention his name anywhere on the single covers, so to old Hawk fans, who do > not know about Matthew involvement, will just see this as another SOTA > remake. Angela Android, would have made a far better single, its got a catchy beat, > & with a bit of radio advertising, could have got a lot of people > interested. Someone said The Right To Decide would be a good single, but that would be > promoting an old album that's hard to get hold of, you need the new songs to > promote the Hawkwind of today. > Ian From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Sep 5 18:40:44 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:40:44 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: Surprisingly, not that much was spent on the SOTA video. However, in retrospect that money could have been better spent. As to TV advertising, do not even go there. The cost of a series of slots (you need several to make an impact) is, in the terms of the operation that we are considering here, astronomical. Add to that the cost of making a decent advertisement (yes, you could use some of the SOTA video with some extra material) and you have something that is way out of the range of possibilities. Radio advertising might have been possible but I think that this still would not overcome the problem that it was the wrong song. People will not buy something that they do not want to. Achieving a position in the rock and indie charts is respectable but it does not carry the kudos that a "real" chart place would. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kershaw" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: What WOULD do it??? > TV & Radio advertising!!! The money spent on the SOTA Video, that most of us > may never see, could have been spent on advertising the forth coming album > TMTYL on TV, this would have made people more aware of Hawkwind. Most of the > younger generation don't even know Hawkwind exists. Advertising the SOTA > single on commercial radio would have got some sort of airplay, also it could have > mentioned the fact Matthew Wright was also singing on the track, it dose not > mention his name anywhere on the single covers, so to old Hawk fans, who do > not know about Matthew involvement, will just see this as another SOTA > remake. Angela Android, would have made a far better single, its got a catchy beat, > & with a bit of radio advertising, could have got a lot of people > interested. Someone said The Right To Decide would be a good single, but that would be > promoting an old album that's hard to get hold of, you need the new songs to > promote the Hawkwind of today. > Ian > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 5 18:49:19 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:49:19 EDT Subject: CD not shipped yet by Amazon anyone else ???? Message-ID: Well I live in the UK and I don't have them either! Pissed off is putting it mildly especially when you see them on E bloody Bay for ?9.99 each. Will I get mine? Should I have gone through my usual Indie store? Does AMAZON count towards a chart placing after all this? I seriously doubt it! What a fuck up! In a message dated 05/09/2005 16:20:15 GMT Standard Time, jmajk at INDY.RR.COM writes: I ordered the singles at least a month in advance of the release date, but they still haven't shipped, but I dismissed that as a consequence of living in the US. From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 5 19:16:52 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 00:16:52 +0100 Subject: just out of curiousity Message-ID: Hi Dave, I have to point out that Bloody Amazon sent my two singles separately, thereby charging me twice for postage!!! Mark Storer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: just out of curiousity > thanks to all of you who replied, i've had over 65 now and feel that there > is now enough data that we can make use of it! > > anyway the results make fascinating reading and I'll try to put it in a > nutshell - > > from what data I've gathered i suspect that something in the region of 50% > of the total orders have yet to be despatched and that's from someone (me) > who doesn't have the greatest brain on their head, some key points are > > a - most of you ordered from Amazon.co.uk, we banged on long enough about > this and they were the first to offer it for sale so this all fits in, > approximately 50% of the votes cast (33) are now proud owners of SOTA > thanks > to the online retailer. BUT a further 18 of you are still waiting! that in > itself is over twice as much! > > b - far fewer, as expected ordered from HMV and this time the mathematics > are even easier to calculate - 6 of you have received it whilst 6 of you > haven't put another way a straight 50% > > c - and just for the record a couple of you shunned both these giants and > went for another retailer, well credit where it's due you've both got > yours! > > thanks for your support in this (again!) and if you haven't done so please > vote, remember it's at > http://uv1.pollhost.com/ > and will literally take seconds of your time. > > i fully understand that you can make figures look exactly how you want > them > to but I'd argue that there definitely a pattern here. > > I'll leave you with one fault here, assuming that both these retailers had > sufficient copies, and lets be honest they've been taking orders for > nearly > 6 weeks now and i don't think there was a great surge at the last minute > then i reckon part of it is a case of, addopting the role of Amazon or HMV > team leader > > "we'll process the more important orders first, the stuff that's going to > chart high but when you've got a minute can you despatch some of these > Hawkwind orders, don't know why but there's bl**dy loads of them!" > > somehow i can't see them taking the same attitude for the likes of Robbie > Williams or Oasis! > > makes you think > > cheers > > Dave > > __________ NOD32 1.1209 (20050905) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Sep 5 19:41:02 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:41:02 -0500 Subject: just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <005501c5b26f$e7b526d0$6e00a8c0@roobarb> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Mark Storer wrote: :Subject: Re: just out of curiousity : :Hi Dave, :I have to point out that Bloody Amazon sent my two singles separately, :thereby charging me twice for postage!!! :Mark Storer To avoid this, Rich and I asked them to only ship one package, which is probably why ours hasn't yet arrived (since we ordered the new cd on the same order.) Gah. That's amazon for you. All told, CDS is a much better vendor, but we were aiming to help in chart trek. Of course, we hadn't realized that only singles *shipped* would count. (We figured that ordered would count.) Meh. mea culpa, we'll know better for next time. Of course, for those of us overseas, we are very screwed for picking up the singles anywhere in our local music shops. (Anyone on our side of the pond spot them in any of your local shops?) meh. As long as we get them within the month, we'll be ok. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 6 03:52:42 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:52:42 +0000 Subject: just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CDS may be 'a much better vendor' but I still haven't received my singles that I had on pre-order from them. I cancelled the TMTYL order as they couldn't guarantee the bonus DVD and ordered through Amazon. Eddie. >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: just out of curiousity >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:41:02 -0500 > >On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Mark Storer wrote: > >:Subject: Re: just out of curiousity >: >:Hi Dave, >:I have to point out that Bloody Amazon sent my two singles separately, >:thereby charging me twice for postage!!! >:Mark Storer > >To avoid this, Rich and I asked them to only ship one package, which is >probably why ours hasn't yet arrived (since we ordered the new cd on the >same order.) > >Gah. That's amazon for you. All told, CDS is a much better vendor, but >we were aiming to help in chart trek. Of course, we hadn't realized that >only singles *shipped* would count. (We figured that ordered would >count.) Meh. mea culpa, we'll know better for next time. > >Of course, for those of us overseas, we are very screwed for picking up >the singles anywhere in our local music shops. (Anyone on our side of the >pond spot them in any of your local shops?) > >meh. As long as we get them within the month, we'll be ok. > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Assistant Director/ENSS >University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Sep 6 04:10:45 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:10:45 +0100 Subject: Say no to Wogan Message-ID: Hay- y;'all I have just seen a new outlet for our campaign to promote Hawkwind... and that is that Chris Moyles (radio one a.m.) is launching a "say no to Wogan" campaign. Quote: "Say No to Wogan - join the campaign! {PRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Say no to Wogan"}This week we're starting a new campaign - to get as many children as possible, who are forced to listen to Terry Wogan on Radio 2, to switch over to Chris Moyles instead." My idea is someone on this list creates an email that can justify why Chris should adopt 'Spirit of the Age' as his 'campaign song' - explaining how HW have been an influence on modern music - how they still sound as fresh as they did in 1970 - and that Wogan would never play Hawkwind!! - all list members who agree with the statement 'sign' the petition and we send it as one 'organised email'. This ain't rigging - like everyone else here I'd like to see Hawkwind get the exposure they deserve! anyone? (I've already emailed the show independantly - but i think it needs more weight and needs to be convincing in it's arguments) cheers Maxine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Sep 6 04:14:43 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:14:43 +0100 Subject: We diodn't do it In-Reply-To: <200509052045.j85JILlo000264@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > From: Mick Davis > Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( > > I firmly believe if you had an ep of right to decide, brainbox > pollution live when they crank it up and jam at the end, needle gun > and a beefed up version of psi power then you have got the four > strongest single tracks and the djs could choose any one of the four > and all of them are radio material - these tracks i firmly believe > would get the band back in the limelight for sure ! I concur with Brainbox Pollution and Needle Gun ! Double A side! WOW! Maxine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Sep 6 04:17:26 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:17:26 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it Message-ID: hmm ideas progessing here... for radio one Chris Moyles campaign we could suggest he uses Brainbox Pollution to represent the durges and old c**p churned out on Radio 2? Maxine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 6 06:04:37 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:04:37 +0100 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Michael Crook's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:46:17 +0100 Message-ID: Michael Crook writes: > I agree, 'Right to Decide' would be my choice. > Now if Voiceprint where to release it along > with live versions of 'Where are You Now and Brainbox > Pollution, you would have one hell of single!!! Absolutely agree with that, though WATN? needs another verse. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 6 06:12:25 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:12:25 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:40:44 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > As to TV advertising, do not even go there. The cost of a series of slots > (you need several to make an impact) is, in the terms of the operation that > we are considering here, astronomical. What we really need is for someone to get trapped in the Antarctic/down a mine/on a mountain/in a desert while a rescue operation takes ten media days to rescue them. At the moment of rescue while dehydrated/starving/injured the rescued party asks "Can anyone play me the new Hawkwind single - I just gotta hear it!" So: any volunteers? FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 6 06:15:22 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:15:22 +0000 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: <200509061004.j86A4bJr005403@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yonks ago I made up a tape for my father-in-law and he was one of the multitude of the 'yeah i like hawkwind, silver machine was good' clan and all of the other songs on the tape he didn't care for except 'Needle Gun' he really liked that, so that probably tells you it would be a prime candidate for a single. This was probably before 'right to decide' was released but i would put that in the same good single category. Disagree with Brainbox Pollution though, not a Top 30 song in my view. I have got a vinyl 7 inch of Needle Gun, how did it do when it was released as a single? Eddie. >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: We didn't do it ;-( >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:04:37 +0100 > >Michael Crook writes: > > > I agree, 'Right to Decide' would be my choice. > > > Now if Voiceprint where to release it along > > with live versions of 'Where are You Now and Brainbox > > Pollution, you would have one hell of single!!! > >Absolutely agree with that, though WATN? needs another verse. > >FoFP From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Sep 6 06:37:55 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:37:55 -0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( Message-ID: speaking personally i think that everyone involved in the SOTA have to move on, by that i don't mean just forget about HW ever having a "hit" single but if it were to happen again i feel it has to be something new, and for me there's only one candidate - Sunray i'm lucky enough to have an advance copy of the album (review coming soon) and this track just stands out so much as a natural single, it's as hooky as hell, great vocals from Arthur and just sounds "BIG" and even in unedited form it clocks in at just under 4 mins! it might sound bizarre but it could also lend itself to being used on TV programs and at sporting events, i'm thinking big footie matches as it has a very exciting feel to it! i think all cocerned with this need to take stock, concentrate on getting the album out and seeing where they go from there. just my personal thoughts regards dave From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Tue Sep 6 14:03:36 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:03:36 EDT Subject: What WOULD do it??? Message-ID: I didn't the single. From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Sep 6 15:11:06 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:11:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Poetry Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:00:40 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Nick Medford writes: >> Just struck me that the "still underage" line in Starfarer's Dispatch >> might not help its chances. > >Though it's relatively (heh!) clear from context that this means that >she was too young to undergo cryosleep without parental permission. > >FoFP It still means though that the Starfarer is having carnal relations with something that has the physical appearance of being 'underage', whatever that is interpreted to mean, which could raise eyebrows. And it brings up a slight logical problem (maybe problem is too strong a word) that has always bugged me - even if she were underage at the time of the Starfarer's leavetaking, in a few years she would have reached the age of majority, or consent, or right-to-freezedry, or what-have-you, and get herself frozen then, assuming she really WANTED to wait for him, thus negating one problem ("you'd be about 60 now and long dead by the time I returned to earth") entirely. Stephan Great poetry shouldn't be nit-picked. Sorry about that. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Sep 6 15:32:57 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Stephan Forstner wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Space Poetry : [snip] :And it brings up a slight logical problem (maybe problem is too strong a :word) that has always bugged me - even if she were underage at the time of :the Starfarer's leavetaking, in a few years she would have reached the age :of majority, or consent, or right-to-freezedry, or what-have-you, and get :herself frozen then, assuming she really WANTED to wait for him, thus :negating one problem ("you'd be about 60 now and long dead by the time I :returned to earth") entirely. : :Stephan : :Great poetry shouldn't be nit-picked. Sorry about that. heh. but nitpicking poetry can be such fun! Perhaps there was some other reason why she wouldn't have been able to freeze. ObObnoxiousFeministVersion: perhaps the men in her society have control over the women, so that even when she does come of age, she doesn't have those rights. ObOtherFeministVersion: Perhaps she has such an important job that she isn't willing to freeze herself. ObLudditeVersion: perhaps the cryosleep technology was proven to be unstable in the intervening few years. ObScaryVersion: perhaps the starfarer is a scary stalker type, and she cannot wait to get rid of him (after using the convenient excuse of "oh, well, my father won't let me...") ..but alas, we'll never know. Not until HW do a sequel or version from her perspective ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 6 18:51:06 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:51:06 EDT Subject: Say no to Wogan Message-ID: In a message dated 06/09/2005 09:12:02 GMT Standard Time, maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK writes: I have just seen a new outlet for our campaign to promote Hawkwind... and that is that Chris Moyles (radio one a.m.) is launching a "say no to Wogan" campaign. I'd rather listen to Terry Wogan than Chris Moyles. Get Terry to play Hawkwind. After one of his Janet and John stories. Is THAT the spirit of the age? Steve. From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Sep 6 19:27:01 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:27:01 -0400 Subject: HW: NUTS Message-ID: Nuts 'magazine' (ahem) has a VERY small 'reviwew' of the new album. (at least they did one) - gets 3stars out of five. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Sep 6 20:23:26 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:23:26 +0100 Subject: just out of curiousity Message-ID: Can't be bothered to e mail this personally so I'll check what's happened - we sold about 60-70 of each single in the end - not bad considering......... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: eddie jobson To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: just out of curiousity > CDS may be 'a much better vendor' but I still haven't received my singles > that I had on pre-order from them. I cancelled the TMTYL order as they > couldn't guarantee the bonus DVD and ordered through Amazon. > > Eddie. > > > >From: Arin Komins > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: just out of curiousity > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:41:02 -0500 > > > >On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Mark Storer wrote: > > > >:Subject: Re: just out of curiousity > >: > >:Hi Dave, > >:I have to point out that Bloody Amazon sent my two singles separately, > >:thereby charging me twice for postage!!! > >:Mark Storer > > > >To avoid this, Rich and I asked them to only ship one package, which is > >probably why ours hasn't yet arrived (since we ordered the new cd on the > >same order.) > > > >Gah. That's amazon for you. All told, CDS is a much better vendor, but > >we were aiming to help in chart trek. Of course, we hadn't realized that > >only singles *shipped* would count. (We figured that ordered would > >count.) Meh. mea culpa, we'll know better for next time. > > > >Of course, for those of us overseas, we are very screwed for picking up > >the singles anywhere in our local music shops. (Anyone on our side of the > >pond spot them in any of your local shops?) > > > >meh. As long as we get them within the month, we'll be ok. > > > >Arin > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > >Assistant Director/ENSS > >University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > >1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Sep 6 20:42:38 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:42:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Ooooo - ta - we got an exclusive Spacehead track to use on issue two now - it's all coming together nicely - just gotta try to coerce Suzie into doing the voiceovers again, or a visit to Edinburgh to do it with Electra - so to speak........ Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > And let me tell you Andy G, i'm already looking forward to it, really enjoyed the hell > out of Psytrax 1!! Keep up the good work > tim 8>)... > > Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! > > Toodles, > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pete J Howe > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > > > > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have > > > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling > > > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd > > > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by > > > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of > > > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making > > > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a > > > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", > > > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the > > > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they > > > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a > > > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen > > > from their mission control posting- > > > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso > > > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it > > > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and > > > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the > > > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will > > > end. > > > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? > > > Pete From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Sep 7 05:14:00 2005 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:14:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Take me to your Leader Message-ID: Hej I am really looking forward to the new CD and singles (Still not arrived). If HW were to break it open with a single like Sunray, could they then actually pull it together to do a big tour and stuff to promote it. Also, is the CD only coming out in England? Any news on a license deal for Europe or the USA? Not sure if Voiceprint is distributed in Denmark at all?? thoughts???? I personally, don't want the band to keep redoing their old songs....this is a bit tiresome... move on creat new music.. scott ObCD Acid King III This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 7 06:08:27 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:08:27 +0100 Subject: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: Ian Kershaw's message of Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:03:36 EDT Message-ID: Just ordered copies of the single for the nephews who went to Saturday's gig. Amazon say they posted 'em today so they must have copies now. If anyone still has a spare promo disc, it'd be a big hit with the boys to send it to: Isaac & Jacob Wall, 21 Kerwin Drive, Dore, Sheffield S17 3DG, South Yorkshire Cheers FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 7 06:11:22 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:11:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: Stephan Forstner's message of Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:11:06 -0400 Message-ID: Stephan Forstner writes: > On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:00:40 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > >Nick Medford writes: > >> Just struck me that the "still underage" line in Starfarer's Dispatch > >> might not help its chances. > >Though it's relatively (heh!) clear from context that this means that > >she was too young to undergo cryosleep without parental permission. > It still means though that the Starfarer is having carnal relations with > something that has the physical appearance of being 'underage', whatever > that is interpreted to mean, which could raise eyebrows. True, but it's not yet illegal to have sex with an android of any age. > And it brings up a slight logical problem (maybe problem is too strong a > word) that has always bugged me - even if she were underage at the time of > the Starfarer's leavetaking, in a few years she would have reached the age > of majority, or consent, or right-to-freezedry, or what-have-you, and get > herself frozen then, assuming she really WANTED to wait for him Indeed, I'd wondered about that too. Poetic license I guess. > Great poetry shouldn't be nit-picked. Heh. I bet our English teachers would be proud of us. I know mine would be stunned to hear that I even voluntarily read any poetry, never mind indulge in crit. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 7 06:13:52 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:13:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:57 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Perhaps there was some other reason why she wouldn't have been able to > freeze. ObObnoxiousFeministVersion: perhaps the men in her society have > control over the women, so that even when she does come of age, she > doesn't have those rights. ObOtherFeministVersion: Perhaps she has such > an important job that she isn't willing to freeze herself. > ObLudditeVersion: perhaps the cryosleep technology was proven to be unstable in the > intervening few years. ObScaryVersion: perhaps the starfarer is a scary > stalker type, and she cannot wait to get rid of him (after using the > convenient excuse of "oh, well, my father won't let me...") A more prosaic explanation would be that the society itself couldn't permit loads of productive worker to absent themselves into the future and so there'd have to be limits on who could do so. Having to get parental permission while a young adult would be a good stopper for most since cryosleep would be robbing the parents of grandchildren. FoFP From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 7 09:19:38 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:19:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: <200509071013.j87ADqJi002573@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Space Poetry : :A more prosaic explanation would be that the society itself couldn't :permit loads of productive worker to absent themselves into the future :and so there'd have to be limits on who could do so. Having to get :parental permission while a young adult would be a good stopper for most :since cryosleep would be robbing the parents of grandchildren. heh. That one gets the ObMarxist tag added on ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 7 09:45:22 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:45:22 -0400 Subject: We didn't do it ;-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Rich : > >While this was a very gallant and well put together effort, I tend to agree > >that it was futile for the following reasons: > > >1. The hardcore fanbase is too small. > > Actually I disagree, other artists have done it or come very very close. > Marillion, The Alarm, All About Eve (were a close miss and they definately > have a smaller fanbase than the Hawks) Don't be too sure about that w.r.t. Marillion. They have a big following in a lot of countries outside the UK, and I think their online fanbase is MUCH bigger and well-organized than Hawkwind. They also market themselves much differently and to a much different demographic. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Sep 7 10:35:59 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:35:59 -0700 Subject: HW: Take me to your Leader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree. Does anybody know about a USA release? I know the Voiceprint material with the promo CD listed a 1-800 number for the states but the only online references I've seen to the CD are imports (still unavailable, at that). Also, is the CD only coming out in > England? Any news on a > license deal for Europe or the USA? Not sure if > Voiceprint is > distributed in Denmark at all?? > > thoughts???? I personally, don't want the band to > keep redoing their > old songs....this is a bit tiresome... move on creat > new music.. > > scott > > ObCD Acid King III > > This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended > for the addressee(s) > stated above only and may contain confidential > information protected by > law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised > reading, disclosure, > copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of > information contained > herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights > to proprietary > information. If you are not an intended recipient, > please return this > e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately > hereafter. Thank you. > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 7 15:01:47 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:01:47 EDT Subject: Hawkwind Copies On Ebay... Message-ID: Seen this? This guy is sellinc COPIES of Hawkwind CD's on ebay, and admits it... _http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZclairesimonson_ (http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZclairesimonson) Steve. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 7 15:31:10 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:31:10 -0400 Subject: Hawk singles landed Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just got mine today from Amazon.UK. Not sure if anyone in the USA has yet or not. Cheers Stephe From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 7 15:39:48 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:39:48 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Aug 2005 to 31 Aug 2005 (#2005-227) In-Reply-To: <00d701c5ae0e$54de30f0$4b00a8c0@marks> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:28:22AM +0100, Mark Painter typed out: > I am exactly the same - except having cancelled the singles order with > Amazon as they won't be here till next week, my HMV order says that they are > still waiting for them from the suppliers... > > D'ohhhhhhh! > > If they don't supply them this week, it's unlikely that the singles will > make the chart.. Same boat here: I got a phonecall from HMV today, after it was too late to go in and pick them up, saying that the singles have finally arrived. I reckon it's entirely plausible that we'll see more units of the single shifted this week than last week, but I can't imagine it'll be enough to dent the charts I'm afraid. Oh well. Moving a bit up the rock charts will do no harm. It would have been nice, however, if whichever of Voiceprint not being able to ship on time, distributors not distributing on time or shops simply not doing the ordering (is that really messed with at order level? Surely at that point customer service takes over? Or am I just idealistic still?) hadn't stuffed up the first week. If it was just a suply bottleneck at Voiceprint you'd hope they'd have the nous to delay *everyone's* shipment until they had enough pressed so as to make sure they all sold at the same time, wouldn't you? Anyway, I'm going to get Hawkwind's new single tomorrow and that's not something I expected to be able to say in a year this time last year. So I'm glad my cynicism isn't always justified. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Heads - _Relaxing with... _ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 7 16:55:11 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:55:11 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Copies On Ebay... Message-ID: I've reported the infringrment to eBay, they usually react in the correct manner. Of course, with the items being "buy it now", they may react too late...... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Hawkwind Copies On Ebay... > Seen this? > This guy is sellinc COPIES of Hawkwind CD's on ebay, and admits it... > _http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZclairesimonson_ > (http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZclairesimonson) > > Steve. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 07/09/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Sep 7 19:01:11 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:01:11 -0400 Subject: off-mass contamination Message-ID: Hi there folks, Have you noticed all the talk of disease due to the crisis in Louisiana. If the folks being misplaced are not tracked, who's to say if there is a contamination of those who stayed won't spread. Just a weird thought I had watching the news, but they haven't said nothing about spreading any disease. Maybe they will wait 4 days to re-act on that too if it happens. Cheers Stephe From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Sep 7 20:06:45 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:06:45 -0400 Subject: TMTYL album review - world exclusive Message-ID: if anyones interested i've just posted the following page - http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/well_it.htm which contains an in depth review of Take Me To Your Leader, which to my knowledge is the first! (of no doubt many) i'm sure you'll disagree with much of what i've put but hopefully it'll act as a little appetizer as you wait for your own copy! enjoy Dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 8 10:06:25 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:06:25 +0100 Subject: CD Promo help - thank you! In-Reply-To: <00e001c5af52$944731c0$0d0f7ad5@andy> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 01:09:24AM +0100, Cyberkrel typed out: > Porcupine Tree is the obvious - just as fanatical, just as friendly. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephe > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:28 AM > > > Like who? Been a music fan for 35 years. Never felt the same with fans, > > that weren't hawkfans. Of course our choice of music could be totally > > different too. Suggest some!! :-) Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Mather" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 PM > > > > > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:10 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > >> Funny you only get that with Hawkfans. Its the spirit of HW right? > > > > > > Only with Hawkfans? No offence, Stephe, but you need to meet the fans > > > of other bands a bit more often. :-) I'd have to agree about the Porcupine Tree fans, though I haven't really been part of that group or groups since the turn of the millennium (I love being able to use that phrase of my life). I know they're even more fanatical now, as you can tell when Steven Wilson releases another limited vinyl pressing of some tape he did in his bedroom in 1991 and freely admits is not very good and they're all sold out inside a week... But even when I was still going to the gigs, they were always full of friendly people. (I actually saw someone wearing an original Voyage 34 t-shirt in a pub the other day; didn't have a chance to salute her fandom however.) I think the other example that springs to mind is that Clutch board I mentioned when the whole E-Bay auction thread took off, who bailed one of their long-standing members out of trouble by collectively buying his dearest rarity and then sent it back to him. I don't know where else you'd get that. But Hawkfans are a pretty good bunch too. I've done well in terms of beer and hospitality by keeping in touch with them :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 8 10:10:22 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:10:22 +0100 Subject: HW SotA singles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 01:50:19AM -0400, Pete J Howe typed out: > I would imagine its Jason playing the piano part on paradox.Hes really > put a very effective big stamp on the whole thing, just like Simon House > does when hes playing.I think paradox, and the live version of assassins > of Allah(come on, its "hassan i sahba"!, (with space is their palestine) > in the middle,on this version) are the highlights of the 2 singles. > Anyone notice ..(once again!)...a printing error???Down the spine of the > cover of BOTH cd singles it says RADIO EDIT,even on the "live version" > single! Oh, come on, how would we know it was really a Hawkwind release and not some Dave Anderson rip-off if it didn't have a typo somewhere? It's part of the band's unique charm :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Sep 8 11:03:09 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (Colm Mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:03:09 +0100 Subject: HW SotA singles Message-ID: why is it that the song "hassan i sahba" is now called Assassins of Allah? Colm > > From: Jonathan Jarrett > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu PM 03:10:22 BST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW SotA singles > > On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 01:50:19AM -0400, Pete J Howe typed out: > > I would imagine its Jason playing the piano part on paradox.Hes really > > put a very effective big stamp on the whole thing, just like Simon House > > does when hes playing.I think paradox, and the live version of assassins > > of Allah(come on, its "hassan i sahba"!, (with space is their palestine) > > in the middle,on this version) are the highlights of the 2 singles. > > Anyone notice ..(once again!)...a printing error???Down the spine of the > > cover of BOTH cd singles it says RADIO EDIT,even on the "live version" > > single! > > Oh, come on, how would we know it was really a Hawkwind release > and not some Dave Anderson rip-off if it didn't have a typo > somewhere? It's part of the band's unique charm :-) Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information From coral at APORT.RU Thu Sep 8 11:31:38 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:31:38 +0400 Subject: HW SotA singles Message-ID: I've heard it was actually the first title of the song. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colm Mcwilliams" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: HW SotA singles > why is it that the song "hassan i sahba" is now called Assassins of Allah? > > Colm > > > > From: Jonathan Jarrett > > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu PM 03:10:22 BST > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW SotA singles > > > > On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 01:50:19AM -0400, Pete J Howe typed out: > > > I would imagine its Jason playing the piano part on paradox.Hes really > > > put a very effective big stamp on the whole thing, just like Simon House > > > does when hes playing.I think paradox, and the live version of assassins > > > of Allah(come on, its "hassan i sahba"!, (with space is their palestine) > > > in the middle,on this version) are the highlights of the 2 singles. > > > Anyone notice ..(once again!)...a printing error???Down the spine of the > > > cover of BOTH cd singles it says RADIO EDIT,even on the "live version" > > > single! > > > > Oh, come on, how would we know it was really a Hawkwind release > > and not some Dave Anderson rip-off if it didn't have a typo > > somewhere? It's part of the band's unique charm :-) Yours, > > Jon > > > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 8 19:10:16 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:10:16 EDT Subject: HW SotA singles Message-ID: Whoooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooo The singles arrived today. Thank you so much HMV. I just hope there are not the same delays with the album. Especially as I ordered the DVD version early on and quantities are strictly limited. Please excuse me for losing my faith a bit. I just want the thing on Monday the 12th not the 26th. Steve. PS - Listened to Star Nation - "The Silver Age" tonight. What a good album that is. From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Fri Sep 9 00:02:13 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:02:13 -0600 Subject: Rejoining yet again Message-ID: Hello-- I can't seem to stay away. :-) Hello to everyone I know. I hope you're all well, and that the years have been very good to you. The new Motorhead album is incredible, eh? :-) Guido Vacano From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 9 02:26:32 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 02:26:32 EDT Subject: Culture Vulture... Message-ID: From: _http://www.newsreview.com/issues/chico/2005-09-08/vulture.asp_ (http://www.newsreview.com/issues/chico/2005-09-08/vulture.asp) The flip side One of the most fascinating aspects of human nature is our unceasing desire to be entertained. At work we turn on the radio and sporadically enjoy some sonic jewel. (Culture Vulture's current guilty pleasure is the pop hit "Breathe," by God-knows-who.) At home we bask in the light of whichever television program suits our fancy or lose ourselves in the complexities of a good novel or zone out to our favorite music. When TV, books and home comforts don't suffice we may while away an hour or two puttering in the garden or walking the dog before we toddle off to the local pub, or head to the cinema, or take in a play. And, if we are Hawkwind fans, we wait eons for our favorite band to come out with a new studio album. Which they are on the verge of doing. The 36-year-old band that invented space rock--the psychedelic wedding of audio oscillators, proto-punk rhythm guitar bashing, and socially conscious, science-fiction lyrics--will release Take Me to Your Leader on Sept. 13. A promo CD consisting of snippets of several of the new songs interspersed with an interview of Hawkwind mastermind Dave Brock was recently shipped out to hardcore Hawkfans and Culture Vulture was privileged enough to receive one. Captain Brock sounds like a good-humored craftsman who appreciates the fans who have supported his ongoing pursuit of a singular vision. If you appreciate science-fiction, progressive social consciousness and the electronic evolution of rock 'n' roll to check out Hawkwind. They ain't always pretty, but they're always worth hearing. From coral at APORT.RU Fri Sep 9 03:21:52 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:21:52 +0400 Subject: HW SotA singles Message-ID: Star Nation was the best Hawk's album in years! I wonder if HW new album will be able to beat it in my own charts?.. cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: Re: HW SotA singles > Whoooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooo > The singles arrived today. > Thank you so much HMV. > I just hope there are not the same delays with the album. Especially as I > ordered the DVD version early on and quantities are strictly limited. > Please excuse me for losing my faith a bit. I just want the thing on Monday > the 12th not the 26th. > > Steve. > > PS - Listened to Star Nation - "The Silver Age" tonight. What a good album > that is. > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 9 04:23:42 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (Colm Mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:23:42 +0100 Subject: The Sun reviews TMTYL Message-ID: In todays Sun Matthew Wright reviews the new hawkwind Album. A whole column is dedicated to reviewing it. it was given 4 out of 5. colm ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 04:24:48 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:24:48 -0400 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: i did get a tip off about this and hence i was on the way to my friendly neighbourhood newsagents before 9 this morning and suggest you do to! (asuming you live in the UK!) page 56 carries a big review of TMTYL penned by Matthew Wright!! Hawkwind in the "currant bun" whatever next cheers Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 04:36:42 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:36:42 -0400 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: hey just a thought, anybody who up for this why not e-mail the Wright Stuff saying you've just read the review, you'll be off out buying it etc, etc (you should know the drill by now!) the address for the show is wrightstuff at five.tv can't guarantee anything will be said but it's worth a go! cheers Dave From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Sep 9 04:40:00 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:40:00 +0100 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good GOD !!!! I've never bought a copy of the Sun in my life...... Am i seriously expected to buy a copy of that scandelous rag... having said that, it's the biggest selling paper in the UK, and fantastic coup for the band, Well done Mr Wright, SH*T now i've gotta go buy a copy of the paper... iain Dave Law wrote on 9/9/2005, 9:24 AM: > i did get a tip off about this and hence i was on the way to my friendly > neighbourhood newsagents before 9 this morning and suggest you do to! > (asuming you live in the UK!) > > page 56 carries a big review of TMTYL penned by Matthew Wright!! > > Hawkwind in the "currant bun" whatever next > > cheers > > Dave > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 9 04:49:56 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (Colm Mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:49:56 +0100 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: has matthew wright got connections with the Sun then? > > From: Iain Ferguson > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri AM 09:40:00 BST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Todays Sun 09.09.05 > > Good GOD !!!! > > > I've never bought a copy of the Sun in my life...... Am i seriously > expected to buy a copy of that scandelous rag... > > having said that, it's the biggest selling paper in the UK, and > fantastic coup for the band, Well done Mr Wright, > > SH*T now i've gotta go buy a copy of the paper... > > iain > > > > Dave Law wrote on 9/9/2005, 9:24 AM: > > > i did get a tip off about this and hence i was on the way to my friendly > > neighbourhood newsagents before 9 this morning and suggest you do to! > > (asuming you live in the UK!) > > > > page 56 carries a big review of TMTYL penned by Matthew Wright!! > > > > Hawkwind in the "currant bun" whatever next > > > > cheers > > > > Dave > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 05:06:22 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:06:22 -0400 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: i'll try and reply to both Iain and Colm's post here can't sat i disagree with you about the Sun and i can't say i agree with hardly anything it stands for, they like to think that they speak on behalf of the whole country, a perfect example being the current England manager "crisis" (tho i doubt this will worry people with the surnames Ferguson and Mc Williams ;-) ) they quote in todays paper "England fans want Sven Goran Eriksson to be sacked" well i'm an England fan and i personally don't! but regardless of this and as you rightly point out it does have massive circulation and as the old saying goes you can't look a gift horse in the mouth! moving on to Matthew Wright he used to be the showbiz editor for either the Mirror or the Sun and i hear he is well conected in Fleet street. hope that helps regards dave From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Sep 9 05:16:44 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:16:44 +0100 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agree completely with Dave, Its a fantastic bit of manouvering to get a Sun review, the number of eyes on that review today will put all other reviews in terms of visibility in to the shade... As for the football, yep correct, I'm scottish and well pleased with the Scotland results over the past week. That said, I'm a realist & England are our only real chance of any success in the world cup.. I was good to see England loose the other day as they needed a good kick up the arse.. Hopefully it will kick start the team into realising that they have to improve BIG time if they are to do anything near what is expected of them next summer. Sven should go, but not before the finals, His eye seems to be more on chasing women than football, and that does not do him favours with the press, who are no doubt looking for the next Kiss & tell involving this damaged manager England have. right... of to buy the scandel rag. iain Dave Law wrote on 9/9/2005, 10:06 AM: > i'll try and reply to both Iain and Colm's post here > > can't sat i disagree with you about the Sun and i can't say i agree with > hardly anything it stands for, they like to think that they speak on > behalf > of the whole country, a perfect example being the current England manager > "crisis" (tho i doubt this will worry people with the surnames > Ferguson and > Mc Williams ;-) ) they quote in todays paper "England fans want Sven > Goran > Eriksson to be sacked" well i'm an England fan and i personally don't! > but > regardless of this and as you rightly point out it does have massive > circulation and as the old saying goes you can't look a gift horse in > the mouth! > > moving on to Matthew Wright he used to be the showbiz editor for > either the > Mirror or the Sun and i hear he is well conected in Fleet street. > > hope that helps > > regards > > dave > From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 9 05:26:42 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (Colm Mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:26:42 +0100 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: Your right Dave this "england crisis" doesnt bother me at all. :-) To be honest i hope they keep Sven in charge as i cant see anyone else out there who in my opinion that is an english manager who could do a better job. Anyway even if england get to the world cup which they still probably will they will just blow thier chance of winning it like they always do. ALso on Matthew wright i think he used to have links with the Mirror newspaper. Colm > > From: Dave Law > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri AM 10:06:22 BST > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Todays Sun 09.09.05 > > i'll try and reply to both Iain and Colm's post here > > can't sat i disagree with you about the Sun and i can't say i agree with > hardly anything it stands for, they like to think that they speak on behalf > of the whole country, a perfect example being the current England manager > "crisis" (tho i doubt this will worry people with the surnames Ferguson and > Mc Williams ;-) ) they quote in todays paper "England fans want Sven Goran > Eriksson to be sacked" well i'm an England fan and i personally don't! but > regardless of this and as you rightly point out it does have massive > circulation and as the old saying goes you can't look a gift horse in the mouth! > > moving on to Matthew Wright he used to be the showbiz editor for either the > Mirror or the Sun and i hear he is well conected in Fleet street. > > hope that helps > > regards > > dave > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information From steve.bishop at DB.COM Fri Sep 9 05:32:39 2005 From: steve.bishop at DB.COM (Steve Bishop) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:32:39 +0100 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 In-Reply-To: <432152FC.2000905@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey - the Dear Deidre page is always worth a read, the 'letters' are very imaginative ! Think Wrighty should probably have provided a bit more background info on the 'Wind in his intro cos most Sun readers won't have the foggiest who they are .................. but it's great publicity, bet the Sun has never done a 'Wind review before ! As for England, they have great players but Sven can't seem to meld them into a performing team - too much tinkering, he should stick to the 4-4-2 system and play the players where they are best suited, not try and make them fit into his weird formations Iain Ferguson Sent by: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List To BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET 09/09/2005 10:16 cc Subject Please respond to Re: Todays Sun 09.09.05 BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Agree completely with Dave, Its a fantastic bit of manouvering to get a Sun review, the number of eyes on that review today will put all other reviews in terms of visibility in to the shade... As for the football, yep correct, I'm scottish and well pleased with the Scotland results over the past week. That said, I'm a realist & England are our only real chance of any success in the world cup.. I was good to see England loose the other day as they needed a good kick up the arse.. Hopefully it will kick start the team into realising that they have to improve BIG time if they are to do anything near what is expected of them next summer. Sven should go, but not before the finals, His eye seems to be more on chasing women than football, and that does not do him favours with the press, who are no doubt looking for the next Kiss & tell involving this damaged manager England have. right... of to buy the scandel rag. iain Dave Law wrote on 9/9/2005, 10:06 AM: > i'll try and reply to both Iain and Colm's post here > > can't sat i disagree with you about the Sun and i can't say i agree with > hardly anything it stands for, they like to think that they speak on > behalf > of the whole country, a perfect example being the current England manager > "crisis" (tho i doubt this will worry people with the surnames > Ferguson and > Mc Williams ;-) ) they quote in todays paper "England fans want Sven > Goran > Eriksson to be sacked" well i'm an England fan and i personally don't! > but > regardless of this and as you rightly point out it does have massive > circulation and as the old saying goes you can't look a gift horse in > the mouth! > > moving on to Matthew Wright he used to be the showbiz editor for > either the > Mirror or the Sun and i hear he is well conected in Fleet street. > > hope that helps > > regards > > dave > -- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 05:36:39 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:36:39 -0400 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: well that's 5 out of 5! Matthew Wright started the show today claiming that the Sun had the article of the decade in his review of TMTYL! go on e-mail the show to show your support!! wrightstuff at five.tv cheers Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 9 06:01:27 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:01:27 +0100 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:02:13 -0600 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Hello-- > > I can't seem to stay away. :-) Hello to everyone I know. I hope > you're all well, and that the years have been very good to you. > > The new Motorhead album is incredible, eh? :-) Welcome back Guido! FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 9 06:37:03 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:37:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Kollector alert Message-ID: Dear All, just been out to pick up my copies of the singles (*interesting* artwork!) and stopped by a record stall I've not before patronised. Quite a lot of Hawk-stuff, not counting the stuff I wanted myself which I'm not telling you about :-) I got Calvert's _Hype_ and ADII's _Meetings with Menmachines..._, the latter of which I didn't expect to see, but there were also the following things which I can pick up for people if they want--mail me off-list if you're interested. (I didn't check the surfaces of any of these, so quality assessments for the vinyl are only to do with how battered the sleeve was and claims of labels and so on.) HAWKWIND vinyl _Space Ritual_ 2LP in good nick, ?15 _In Search of Space_ LP with Hawkwind log, reasonable, ?20 _Quark Strangeness and Charm_ LP, 2 copies both looking good, ?10 CDs _Emergency Broadcast System Sampler_, ?8 INNER CITY UNIT vinyl _Presidents Tapes_, reasonable, ?10 CD _Pass Out_, ?10 I think As I say, I don't want any of these, got them all in some form or other already which is enough for me, but if anyone else would like me to bag them and doesn't mind sending me a cheque for price+postage or whatever, I'll do that--don't suppose Cambridge is going to suck the guy's stash dry just yet. I didn't have time to go through everything, this ws the unsorted stuff, so I'll maybe find more next time I go. One thing I might check with the collectors out there, he also had a lot of Who vinyl, including a copy of _Quadrophenia_ with a booklet thicker than both records put together, and a _Tommy_ box edition; these were both going for a tenner, and looked, um, well-loved. Are there lots of these out there or are they worth picking up? He was getting his prices from Record Collector so I don't suppose they're be particularly bargainous, but they looked like quite good artefacts. Yours all, Jon ObCD: Alchemysts - _Zero Zen_ (you should all have a copy of this by the way) -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From coral at APORT.RU Fri Sep 9 06:40:36 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:40:36 +0400 Subject: Todays Sun 09.09.05 Message-ID: It would be much better if review was written not by a person close to a band. cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Todays Sun 09.09.05 > Good GOD !!!! > > > I've never bought a copy of the Sun in my life...... Am i seriously > expected to buy a copy of that scandelous rag... > > having said that, it's the biggest selling paper in the UK, and > fantastic coup for the band, Well done Mr Wright, > > SH*T now i've gotta go buy a copy of the paper... > > iain > > > > Dave Law wrote on 9/9/2005, 9:24 AM: > > > i did get a tip off about this and hence i was on the way to my friendly > > neighbourhood newsagents before 9 this morning and suggest you do to! > > (asuming you live in the UK!) > > > > page 56 carries a big review of TMTYL penned by Matthew Wright!! > > > > Hawkwind in the "currant bun" whatever next > > > > cheers > > > > Dave > > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 9 06:42:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:42:54 +0100 Subject: HW: What WOULD do it??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 06:39:33PM -0400, Dave Law typed out: > i think it would (in a perfect world) have to be Sunray, off the new album, > having now heard it a number of times, it's as catchy as hell! I agree here, in fact I think I said when the samples went up on Mission Control that `Sun Ray' was the one they needed to release as a single, it's a proper rock anthem and would catch the tail end of the whole sort of Queens of the Stone Age end of things nicely--if it ever got any airplay of course... > i can however see 2 big problems already - > > 1 - would they bother with another single after SOTA I reckon that will depend entirely on whether it actually made any money, which I guess is unlikely but let's face it, chart place or no chart place this disc must be selling better than any other Hawkwind single for a long long time. (Even if you go back far enough to remember the previous one :-) ) If Dave and Rob Ayling think there's money in another single they'll do it I'm sure. > 2 - you'd have to get Arthur Brown to commit to another bout of touring and > promo Again, though Arthur's more principled than many in the rock business, he's not a rich man and I reckon if there was a certainty he'd be paid he'd be up for it. Only as I understand it he doesn't tend to believe people saying they'll pay him after thirty years of being ripped off :-( It's not like I know the man of course, just talked to him a couple of times by happenstance. Still. > guess neither are impossible but have to say feeling a bit negative about > such things at the mo. Let's see if it shifts up the rock charts this week, eh? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 07:40:04 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:40:04 -0400 Subject: more Wright Stuff - stuff Message-ID: ok who fancies this? being lucky enough to have a little bit of communication with Mr Wright i did suggest the idea to him about getting some hawkfans on the show sometime in the future. well just had a reply from him and he's well up for the idea! and suggests next Wednesday as an ideal time so either drop me a line at the usual place - davelaw at blueyonder.co.uk or phone 0207 985 1985 and speak to Seyi (pronounced Shay) to get your tickets! it's free admission and recorded on the third floor at Whitely's shopping center Queensway London. hope that may be of interest to some of you, don't think i can make it although might have to see what the leave situation is for next week at work! cheers Dave p.s - i do get the impression that Matthew is well up for this! From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Sep 9 07:44:02 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:44:02 -0400 Subject: Radio Caroline rock show Message-ID: just one more thing! (honest) it's the caroline Rock show tonight at http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/ click on "Listen Live" after last weeks success, the guy played SOTA twice why don't we go for Paradox tonight, shows on from 21.00 - 00.00 and would suggest that it's better leaving it nearer then but do what you think is right! good luck dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Fri Sep 9 09:20:11 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:20:11 +0000 Subject: HW ( article ) Hawkwind's Harvey Bainbridge & Spaceseed: Clouds over Titan Message-ID: see article at: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb282305.php From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Sep 9 10:05:43 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:05:43 -0400 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: <43210945.3010305@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Quoting Guido Vacano : > Hello-- > > I can't seem to stay away. :-) Hello to everyone I know. I hope > you're all well, and that the years have been very good to you. Hey Guido! Good to have you back! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Sep 9 14:33:50 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:33:50 +0100 Subject: New single - WOW Message-ID: Just finished a hard week at work and came home shattered and looking forward to listening to the new single that's been sitting on the side all week - why have I wasted 5 whole days of my life before hearing this?!? Spirit of the Age was OK and cheered me up a little but then Paradox started and before I knew it I was stomping up and down the living room, tears of elation streaming down my face totally transformed to a dark hall and a fantastic gig. What can I say, it's outstanding, one of the best versions I've heard and a masterpiece of music. Thanks Dave, thanks Alan, thanks Richard, thanks Kris, thanks Hawkwind - I'm truly blessed to be a fan. Sorry if that's a bit sloppy & sentimental but I've just rushed my tits off with no drugs - only Hawkwind Sam :-) (who's going to play it again....and again....and again......LOUDLY!!) From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Fri Sep 9 15:56:11 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:56:11 -0600 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: <200509091001.j89A1RPH025523@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >Guido Vacano writes: > > > >>Hello-- >> >> I can't seem to stay away. :-) Hello to everyone I know. I hope >>you're all well, and that the years have been very good to you. >> >> The new Motorhead album is incredible, eh? :-) >> >> > >Welcome back Guido! > >FoFP > Thank you! It's good to see you're still here Mike. :-) Now, to be topical (and because I'm curious :-) ), the two new Spirit of the Age single CDs contain tracks from the upcoming album, as well as other tracks. Are the other tracks available elsewhere, or are some or all of them unique to these releases? Also, is there a way to get the new album (in the US) without paying $20-$25? Finally, Star Nation (mentioned by StevePXR5) -- what is that? Thanks, Guido From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Fri Sep 9 17:45:26 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:45:26 -0600 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: <20050909100543.trwcgwg0kgkckcw0@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Hey David-- It's good to "see" you, and good to be back. :-) Guido David Kuznick wrote: >Quoting Guido Vacano : > > > >>Hello-- >> >> I can't seem to stay away. :-) Hello to everyone I know. I hope >>you're all well, and that the years have been very good to you. >> >> > >Hey Guido! Good to have you back! > >-- >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >"I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. >I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, >I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, >all the light you see, all the air you breathe." >Light and Space - THRESHOLD > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 10 07:25:05 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:25:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all! It's been a week since the OFT gig and I totally want to compound?(rite word ?) what Rix written.The did "Treadmill" as well.MY wife was in awe of what she witnessed that night,and although we missed the TMTYL launch pad on the 1st (not 2nd as I will never live down...wot a prat!!),we both felt reimbursed for my unforgivable bodge-up.I spent the gig wondering around the tent but it was while on Alan's side of the stage,I looked behind me.WOW!The place was jumping!!ON THE VERGE OF LIFT OFF!!Then came "Brainstorm's " finale' and that was when My wife says she saw something very special.She's been to many a H.W. gig with me-she used to listen to N.I.N's.WONDERFULL! Alan Davey "sword of the east is so fitting don't you think?Alan. >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Off The Tracks >Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 06:41:45 -0400 > >Hi all > >Just got back from 'off the tracks' and I really felt compelled >to make this post. I never make posts on the band's performancce, >as I'm not sure of the validity of comments coming from 'the other >side of the wire', as people will always be cautious of a degree >of nepotistic bias in such posts, however..... > >I HAVE to say this, in all my 33 years of attending innumerable >HW gigs, last night's just blew me away. I don't say this lightly, >as in my privalaged position as the band's webmaster I get to go >to most gigs, and as such you'd have thought I'd seen it all... >How wrong I was. The set at OTT was a bit 'loose' (for want of a better >term) for the first three or so numbers due to no soundcheck and a >few 'tecchie' probs, but when it all came together.... Well I really can't >find the words, god knopws what the non-HW fans in the audience must have >thought. (Actually I do know, they were *very* vocal about it after the >gig). Fleece did a brilliant job on sound in such an unusual venue (a large >marquee) & Neil, Marie & John of Chaos Illuminations pulled out all the >stops to give one of the best lightshows I have witnessed too, which only >compounded the quality of the gig. (I hope my pictures will do them >justice, I'll be posting them on MC asap). > >Driving home at 4am - I played the new album three times in all (yes >there are certain privilages in my position - but i *did* do some of the >layout and artwork on it), and once again, I came to realise exactly >WHY I got involved with the band in the first place. All I can tell you >is that this album is gonna blow your socks off - it's beyond excellent, >and well worth the wait ! At the risk of turning this into an advert, if >you haven't ordered the album already do it NOW ! You really need this in >your collection !!! > >Like I said, there will be people who see this post is biased. Perhaps it >is, but all I can say is go see the band if you can (new gigs being set up >as we speak), and listen to the new album. Once you do, I can guarantee >that you'll feel the same way too !!! > > >Rik From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Sep 10 20:35:02 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:35:02 -0400 Subject: HW: OTT Pix now online Message-ID: ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ Some pictures from the 'Off The Tracks' festival are now up on Mission Control !.... Direct URL: http://www.hawkwind.com/gigs/OTT05/OTT1.htm + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + +++ + From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Sat Sep 10 21:50:25 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:50:25 -0600 Subject: HW: OTT Pix now online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rik Rx wrote: >++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ > > . . . >+ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + +++ + > > Some things stay the same. Guido From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Sep 11 14:49:30 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:49:30 -0400 Subject: Aural Innovations: Hawkwind Interview & some Reviews Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com August 28, 2005: REVIEWS UPDATE We?re doing a ?mini-issue? update in advance of the next full issue in November because Scott Heller did an interview with Hawkwind that we want to coincide with the September 12 release of the long awaited new Hawkwind CD, Take Me To Your Leader. We?ve also got an article from Charles Van de Kree and a handful of reviews. NOTE: I will be out of town on (a much needed) vacation starting this Thursday, September 15, and won?t be back until the 26th. So all Aural Innovations activities will be on hold until then. I will be email accessible but I won?t be able to do any radio shows or fill store orders. But when I get back fasten your seatbelts cause I?ve got a load of radio shows just about ready to go. And there are some great new Space Rock releases that should be ready by the end of September, including the debut CD by Swedish space rockers First Band From Outer Space (Record Heaven label), the long awaited Secret Saucer (Andy G?s Dead Earnest label), and the latest in The Spacious Mind?s limited edition CDR?s documenting live performances. I?ll be stocking more copies than usual of all of these. Drop me a note at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com if you want me to reserve any of these for you. All of the following are accessible from the What?s New page at http://aural-innovations.com/main/whatsnew.html. Articles/Interviews Hawkwind interview - Bergen, Norway May 4, 2005 The Once And Future Kings Of Space (key Space Rock releases of the 1990?s) Live Show Coverage The Spacious Mind - Progday Festival, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, September 2, 2005 Siena Root, The Kretz, AU, - Dragens Hule, K?benhavn 7/14/05 Butka Festival, Troms?, Norway 7/23/05 Helsing?r Festival, Helsing?r Denmark 8/12/05 Sjonstock Festival, Moi-Rana, Norway 7/22/05 CD Reviews The Spacious Mind - "Rotv?lta" The Kings of Frog Island - s/t Novadriver - "Deeper High" Honky - "Balls Out Inn" Jamnation - s/t Brank Bjork and the Bros - "Saved By Magic" Charles Rice Goff III - "Byting The Ram On The Big Digit" Hal McGee - "The Secret Life of Hal McGee" Bomber - "The Last Tour On Earth" Engine-V - "Broken World" The Great Escape - "Nothing Happens Without A Dream" How Much More - "How Much More" Liquid Sound Company - "Exploring the Psychedelic" Lost at Last - "Heavy Metal 6-Pack" Razzle Dazzle Inc Throttle Back, Sparky - s/t Too Sophisticated - "The Sweet Kings of Rock 'n' Roll" http://Aural-Innovations.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 11 15:28:47 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:28:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: October 7th: The Standard Music Venue, Walthamstow (with support from Underground Zero) October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) October 22nd: Gong Family Unconvention, Glastonbury Assembly Halls (all sorts of Gong-related people and friends including System 7, TimBlake, Gilli Smyth) http://www.unconventional-events.tk/ November 13th: Mean Fiddler, London (supporting Space Ritual and Amon Duul II) December 2nd: The Ruskin Arms, London http://www.ruskinarms.co.uk/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sun Sep 11 21:21:03 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:21:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting alan day : > She's been to many a H.W. gig with me-she used to listen to > N.I.N's.WONDERFULL! What's wrong with Nine Inch Nails? One can't like them and HW?? -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Sun Sep 11 21:35:10 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:35:10 -0600 Subject: HW: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: <20050911212103.pwkd40k3ok8os80w@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: I like them and Hawkwind, and so does my wife. The new _With Teeth_ is great. Guido David Kuznick wrote: >Quoting alan day : > > > >>She's been to many a H.W. gig with me-she used to listen to >>N.I.N's.WONDERFULL! >> >> > >What's wrong with Nine Inch Nails? One can't like them and HW?? > >-- >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >"I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. >I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, >I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, >all the light you see, all the air you breathe." >Light and Space - THRESHOLD > > From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 12 07:52:14 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:52:14 +0000 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: Turned up from Amazon this morning and have just listened to it on headphones at work, not had chance to watch the DVD yet though. My brief comments would be: SOTA - Better quality than the single, but nothing like the 1977 original Out here we are - Nice and mellow (maybe would have been better near the end of the album?) Greenback - Bit heavy for more personally To love a machine - Yeah like it, nice to hear Dave's harmonious vocals and nice guitar work TMTYL - Nice music, might have been better with sung rather than spoken lyrics Digital Nation - Excellent, good vocals from Richard Sunray - Not a fan or Arthur but do like this song nonetheless Sighs - Bit more of a fill in than a song Angela Android - Good tune and vocals again, not sure about Lena? Riff sounds a bit Psych Warlords? Letter to Robert - Not sure what to make of this one, did they need to fill the album? Was a bit dissapointed with the quality of SOTA single studio version, live one a bit better, Assasins of Allah I liked, but similar to a lot of other recordings of it, Paradox was a bit different and once again liked Angela Android. Would give the album a 7/10 I think, not quite reaching the 70's and early 80's levels, but nice to hear some new recorded stuff nonetheless. My twopenneth. Eddie. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 12 10:44:24 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:44:24 +0100 Subject: TMTYL review in US mag Message-ID: I'm told that the new album has been reviewed in the magazine "Under the Radar". FoFP From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Sep 12 10:59:20 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:20 +0000 Subject: TMTYL review in US mag Message-ID: I'll see if I can track down a copy when I'm down town later.. Rich > I'm told that the new album has been reviewed in the magazine "Under the > Radar". > > FoFP From jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 12 11:20:52 2005 From: jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM (Jim Reid) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:20:52 -0400 Subject: tmtyl Message-ID: just got my copy this morning and wot can i say apart from its a pleasure to the senses...and the dvd is excellent too....great album...return to form jim From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 12 11:40:23 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:40:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 03:11:06PM -0400, Stephan Forstner typed out: > It still means though that the Starfarer is having carnal relations with > something that has the physical appearance of being 'underage', whatever > that is interpreted to mean, which could raise eyebrows. > > And it brings up a slight logical problem (maybe problem is too strong a > word) that has always bugged me - even if she were underage at the time of > the Starfarer's leavetaking, in a few years she would have reached the age > of majority, or consent, or right-to-freezedry, or what-have-you, and get > herself frozen then, assuming she really WANTED to wait for him, thus > negating one problem ("you'd be about 60 now and long dead by the time I > returned to earth") entirely. I don't think that latter has to be a problem. Remember that the poem is written from the Starfarer's point of view, and so whatever the girl did after he left Earth (or wherever) he doesn't necessarily know about it. He is very much in a world of his own, and perhaps he's only started thinking of here again now that the android substitute he's been given instead, presumably by his supporting space agency or whatever, has started malfunctioning. I think the sinister sound to the former point was quite intentional on Calvert's part, too. Consider that we are dealing here with a man sent into space by some body or other that is prepared to indulge an obsession of the heart, and to do so with a robot replica, and that this seems to be enough (he's having sex with it, anyway!) Hanging from this is a vision of a dystopian society where identity is unimportant (ties up nicely with the contrast of `Clone Song') which sends people into space who are not just unstable, but encourages them in delusion. Society's finest... Yours, Jon ObCD: Pressurehed - _Sudden Vertigo_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Sep 12 14:13:28 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:13:28 -0400 Subject: More Radio stations Message-ID: i know many of you are - a - totally bored and p*ssed off with me keep posting messages to this list b - you've got far better things to do this evening, it being release day of TMTYL anyway although the single failed to dent the charts there is still a lot of interest out there from Radio stations and if anything it's growing! I've just posted the following update to the Chart Trek Page http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm#12.09.05 if that doesn't work, try http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm and scroll down to the bottom there's several lists of radio stations that are interested in Hawkwind and are prepared to play them, even if it's only on a specialist show, but it's the one at the bottom that I'd like you to concentrate on if possible, these are the latest additions and would appreciate it if you could drop them a line. I've had numerous successes with Radio Caroline and had SOTA played twice on Total Rock in the last 24 hours (several of their DJ's were at the launch do) and all i do is send in a request, it really is that easy! thanks as ever for your help in this matter, it is appreciated and it is working in spreading the word that Hawkwind are back with a new album... regards Dave From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 12 14:47:37 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:47:37 +0100 Subject: More Radio stations Message-ID: Hi Dave, I for one am not even slightly bored of this subject, on the contrary its been great fun emailing radio stations I don't even listen to!! Keep plugging away, mate. Mark Storer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: More Radio stations >i know many of you are - > a - totally bored and p*ssed off with me keep posting messages to this > list > b - you've got far better things to do this evening, it being release day > of > TMTYL > > anyway although the single failed to dent the charts there is still a lot > of > interest out there from Radio stations and if anything it's growing! > > I've just posted the following update to the Chart Trek Page > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm#12.09.05 > if that doesn't work, try > http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm > and scroll down to the bottom > > there's several lists of radio stations that are interested in Hawkwind > and > are prepared to play them, even if it's only on a specialist show, but > it's > the one at the bottom that I'd like you to concentrate on if possible, > these > are the latest additions and would appreciate it if you could drop them a > line. > > I've had numerous successes with Radio Caroline and had SOTA played twice > on > Total Rock in the last 24 hours (several of their DJ's were at the launch > do) and all i do is send in a request, it really is that easy! > > thanks as ever for your help in this matter, it is appreciated and it is > working in spreading the word that Hawkwind are back with a new album... > > regards > > Dave > > __________ NOD32 1.1213 (20050909) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 12 19:25:58 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:25:58 EDT Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: In a message dated 9/12/2005 6:54:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM writes: Turned up from Amazon this morning and have just listened to it on headphones at work, not had chance to watch the DVD yet though. My brief comments would be: Got the E-mail today saying mine is on its way! Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy I love getting Good Stuff in the mail! This will only be the second Hawkwind release that I've gotten when it's been new, 'In Your Area' being the first. Deep in Anticipation Joe From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 13 02:25:28 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:25:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Circle tour USA In-Reply-To: <20050912154023.GH4830@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Hey folks... I don't know why Jussi didn't put these dates up on his own site before leaving, so the first week is already over. But here are the remaining dates in the midwest and east US. I don't know Urdog...anybody? Dead Meadow I've seen before...OK throwback stonerish band, a la Blue Cheer. They opened for U. of Errors in Pittsburgh five years ago or so. Grakkl (in Amsterdam) P.S. Wow....what luck...I'll be in Columbus later today! P.P.S. New Circle cd Tulikoira is out...pretty cool. Some definite HEAVY metal touches on this one, mixed in with their usual quirky hypnotic sonic madness. Tues Sept 13, Chicago, IL - Empty Bottle w/ Urdog Wed Sept 14, Columbus, OH - High Five w/ Dead Meadow, Urdog Thurs Sept 15, Pittsburgh, PA - 31st Street Pub w/Urdog Fri Sept 16, Philadelphia, PA - Khyber w/ Urdog Sat Sept 17, Brooklyn, NY - The Hook w/ Mouthus, Psychic Paramount, Coptic Light and more!! (PARTY) --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Tue Sep 13 03:49:26 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:49:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Poetry In-Reply-To: <20050912154023.GH4830@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: > Consider that we are dealing here with > a man sent into space by some body or other that is prepared to indulge an > obsession of the heart, and to do so with a robot replica, and that this > seems to be enough (he's having sex with it, anyway!) Hanging from this is > a vision of a dystopian society where identity is unimportant (ties up > nicely with the contrast of `Clone Song') which sends people into space > who are not just unstable, but encourages them in delusion. Society's > finest... Yours, > Jon Yep, that's always been how I've read it - that the fear of the dangers (mental and physical) of space travel are mollified by the distractions of obsessive love; an obsession shared, no doubt, by the twenty other telepathic men. Perhaps the android replica began playing up at the point when the crew's thought were intended to start turning towards Earth once more and galvanize them into preparing for the return journey. Hmm, I wonder how many 'normal' love songs were on the airwaves when RC wrote it? ;-) Andrew (sat here wondering if a certain CD shipped by Amazon at 19:41 last night will be delivered today...) From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 13 03:59:56 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:59:56 +0000 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: <1c8.30e178c8.30576886@aol.com> Message-ID: hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in the U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already got theirs!!! grrrrrr.. pete >From: Joe Loehr >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: TMTYL >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:25:58 EDT > >In a message dated 9/12/2005 6:54:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > >Turned up from Amazon this morning and have just listened to it on >headphones at work, not had chance to watch the DVD yet though. My brief >comments would be: > > > > >Got the E-mail today saying mine is on its way! > >Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy > >I love getting Good Stuff in the mail! > >This will only be the second Hawkwind release that I've gotten when it's >been new, 'In Your Area' being the first. > >Deep in Anticipation > >Joe _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 04:07:42 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:07:42 +0100 Subject: TMTYL arrived Message-ID: Hi Folks, Double CD arrived WOOHOO !!!!!!! Won't bore you with first listening thoughts as i'll change my mind as to favs as I listen and understand more of what the CD has to offer . Its a loud recording and sonically the clearest recording they have done id say, its crystal clear to my ears ( mind you im a drummer & was swilling cider at the time).... hope everyone gets theirs shortly.. hey Nice DVD From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 13 07:32:44 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:32:44 +0100 Subject: TMTYL DVD Message-ID: I was a bit puzzled to discover mine was in NTSC format. Are they all like this? A brief look reveals that on it looks like the video of Spirit of the Age; interviews: Dave/Alan/Richard; Silver Machine with Lemmy and another guitarist I should probably have recognised(?) from I suspect a stadium gig in London a couple of years back (where was that again?); Right to Decide from a 1992 gig (possibly the one on the Taste video?); then a couple of tracks from one of the xmas gigs (?), including Psychedelic Warlords. I'm sure Bernhard probably has the missing details by now? FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Sep 13 07:58:46 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:58:46 +0100 Subject: TMTYL DVD Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Silver Machine with Lemmy and > another guitarist I should probably have recognised(?) from I suspect a > stadium gig in London a couple of years back (where was that again?); The other guitarist is Phil Caivano from Monster Magnet. The gig was Ruisrock 2004 - Turku, Finland > then a couple of tracks from one of the xmas gigs (?), including > Psychedelic Warlords. Astoria Xmas 2004. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 13 07:59:12 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:59:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Coming to Boston In-Reply-To: <200509130900.j8D7nUGp022811@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: I just found out that BOC is going to be playing in Boston next Sunday, the 18th of September, as part of the "Taste of Boston" activities (http://www.tasteofboston.com/). Kind of strange that BOC, who haven't played in Boston proper in probably 15 years (although they've played in nearby Cambridge a few times over the past decade), is playing at a "Taste of Boston" event. John From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Sep 13 08:11:52 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:11:52 -0400 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting pete howe : > hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver > delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in the > U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I > know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already > got theirs!!! Complain to Amazon. They will sometimes refund the shipping in cases like this. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Sep 13 08:19:29 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:19:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Coming to Boston In-Reply-To: <4326BF10.8080801@mitre.org> Message-ID: Quoting John Swartz : > I just found out that BOC is going to be playing in Boston next Sunday, > the 18th of September, as part of the "Taste of Boston" activities > (http://www.tasteofboston.com/). Kind of strange that BOC, who haven't > played in Boston proper in probably 15 years (although they've played in > nearby Cambridge a few times over the past decade), is playing at a > "Taste of Boston" event. Wow, and I thought I had just looked recently for BOC dates in Boston and saw zilch. Thanks for the heads-up! I'm there! I'll try to find my old "On the Net Or On Your Knees" BOC-L shirt to wear. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Sep 13 11:25:26 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:25:26 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on Amazoon(sic) I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it has been sent!!!! First come first served my arse! Mark Storer ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: TMTYL > hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver > delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in the > U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I > know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already > got theirs!!! > grrrrrr.. > pete > >>From: Joe Loehr >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: TMTYL >>Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:25:58 EDT >> >>In a message dated 9/12/2005 6:54:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >>eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >> >>Turned up from Amazon this morning and have just listened to it on >>headphones at work, not had chance to watch the DVD yet though. My brief >>comments would be: >> >> >> >> >>Got the E-mail today saying mine is on its way! >> >>Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy >> >>I love getting Good Stuff in the mail! >> >>This will only be the second Hawkwind release that I've gotten when it's >>been new, 'In Your Area' being the first. >> >>Deep in Anticipation >> >>Joe > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > __________ NOD32 1.1214 (20050912) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 12:41:36 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:41:36 EDT Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: Had enough after reading that. Give 'em a call on 0800 279 6620 lines are open until 6 pm. Wait for the options to run through then press number 5. This gets you through to a real person, or an android replica. I just have and they are making sure it is now in the despatch process and I should receive a confirmation email tomorrow. What a f*** up! Steve. In a message dated 13/09/2005 16:21:17 GMT Standard Time, mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on Amazoon(sic) I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it has been sent!!!! First come first served my arse! From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Sep 13 12:47:56 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:47:56 +0200 Subject: TMTYL DVD In-Reply-To: <4326BEF6.4641B4CA@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for doing the work for me Keith ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Barton Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: TMTYL DVD M Holmes wrote: > > Silver Machine with Lemmy and > another guitarist I should probably have recognised(?) from I suspect > a stadium gig in London a couple of years back (where was that > again?); The other guitarist is Phil Caivano from Monster Magnet. The gig was Ruisrock 2004 - Turku, Finland > then a couple of tracks from one of the xmas gigs (?), including > Psychedelic Warlords. Astoria Xmas 2004. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Sep 13 14:00:24 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:00:24 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: Hi all, I ordered mine in July and added the Carol Clerk book to ensure the free delivery. I then went back and altered the order, cancelling TMTYL and replacing it with the DVD version. Amazon then sent out the book as it was in stock, making no charge for the postage. So I added another book to the order and they sent that, post free again. After hearing that people had received notice that their TMTYL CDs were being sent out over the weekend, I checked, only to find that the expected delivery date of my copy had slipped to late this week. So I added another book to the order. My order details were then updated by Amazon, showing TMTYL's expected delivery date as the 21st to 23rd September, with the book due to arrive by the end of this week (post free, still!). So I emailed them. Their reply blamed this on the order being updated, causing their system to recalculate delivery dates; despite the book being available for immediate dispatch. They apologised for this but didn't make any offer of sending the CD out now, whilst giving me a ?3 voucher to compensate for not getting it right (I'm not sure whether this observation by them is aimed at me or them!). So I emailed them again, asking why they slavishly follow a system that produces such cockups, especially as not only was it generating excess postage charges for themselves but was also poor customer service. Their reply suggested that I should have chosen seperate delivery at the outset (which they have already done all along at their own instigation!), implying that it was down to my actions - whilst stating that they would also send the items out (seperately from each other!) by first class post, the book to arrive 14th to 15th and the CD to arrive 16th to 20th. Lesson 101 in how to run a mail order company. Incidentally, back in the mid 80's, I was involved in running the mail order dept of Citadel Miniatures and we could frequently deliver UK orders within 2 days of the customer posting the cheque to us - i.e. customer posts order and cheque on Monday, we'd receive it on the Tuesday, bank it and send the goods out that evening (after all, any problems with the cheque, we had their address) and the customer received the goods on the Wednesday. Obviously, there were times when we got a little behind with orders but any items on advance order were dealt with in the proper manner; and we even kept the customer up to date with what was happening!!! Oh dear, I seem to have rambled on.......................... I need new HW input................. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: Re: TMTYL > Had enough after reading that. > > > > Give 'em a call on 0800 279 6620 lines are open until 6 pm. Wait for the > options to run through then press number 5. This gets you through to a real > person, or an android replica. > I just have and they are making sure it is now in the despatch process and I > should receive a confirmation email tomorrow. > What a f*** up! > > Steve. > > > > In a message dated 13/09/2005 16:21:17 GMT Standard Time, > mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! > I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on > Amazoon(sic) > I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it > has been sent!!!! > First come first served my arse! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.22/98 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.22/98 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Sep 13 14:03:27 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:03:27 +0200 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a short review from me: I will rate all tracks with points. 1 point = crap 10 points = out of this world SPIRIT OF THE AGE An excellent remake of on of Hawkwinds best songs ever. Rob Clavert would be very please. Space Rock at its best 10/10 OUT HERE WE ARE A boring song. A typical filler during a live show between better songs. 3/10 GREENBACK MASSACRE Not bad but I do not like it. A typical BEDOUIN song 4/10 TO LOVE A MACHINE Thats it !!Spac Rock like it should be. Great guitar, great voice 10/10 TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER A very strange track. After I have listened to it 5 times it became better 8/10 DIGITAL NATION Again not a bad song but it is for me to simple. 6/10 SUNRAY Wow! What a powerfull song. It sounds great as a studio version. Like it ! 8/10 SIGHS Again a filler. Nothing more to say 4/10 ANGELA ANDROID The 2nd highlight on this CD. Fantastic vocals by Richard. Good guitar and bass. The band in TOP form 10/10 LETTER TO ROBERT Why not REALITY OF POVERTY instead ??? 1/10 cheers Bernhard From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 14:07:57 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:07:57 EDT Subject: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? Message-ID: Can somebody who has the album already tell me if the studio version includes the harmony vocals at the end of the song? The live version on the SOTA did not include them, but I have heard more recent live versions that added a great harmony vocal part at the end that really made the song for me. Thanks! -Josh (Still waiting for the album over here in the U.S.A.) From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 13 14:16:35 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:16:35 +0000 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: <1EFF7y-29tRSq0@fwd32.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: yes..What DID happen to those other tracks???-Reality of Poverty?String theory?Cyberspace(written by simon house)?The Silver machine remake?(aired once in tribute to Tommy Vance) and Long time friend(a Dave Brock song)?Im sure ive missed a couple of others too...but are these tracks going to see the light of day???? Pete >From: "bernhard.pospiech" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:03:27 +0200 > >Hi folks > >Here is a short review from me: >I will rate all tracks with points. >1 point = crap >10 points = out of this world > > >SPIRIT OF THE AGE >An excellent remake of on of Hawkwinds best songs ever. >Rob Clavert would be very please. >Space Rock at its best >10/10 > > >OUT HERE WE ARE >A boring song. A typical filler during a live show between better songs. >3/10 > > >GREENBACK MASSACRE >Not bad but I do not like it. A typical BEDOUIN song >4/10 > > >TO LOVE A MACHINE >Thats it !!Spac Rock like it should be. Great guitar, great voice >10/10 > > >TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER >A very strange track. After I have listened to it 5 times it became better >8/10 > > >DIGITAL NATION >Again not a bad song but it is for me to simple. >6/10 > > > >SUNRAY >Wow! What a powerfull song. It sounds great as a studio version. Like it ! >8/10 > > > >SIGHS >Again a filler. Nothing more to say >4/10 > > >ANGELA ANDROID >The 2nd highlight on this CD. Fantastic vocals by Richard. Good guitar and >bass. The band in TOP form >10/10 > > > >LETTER TO ROBERT >Why not REALITY OF POVERTY instead ??? >1/10 > > > > >cheers >Bernhard _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 14:28:44 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:28:44 EDT Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: so thats a 6.4 out of ten then! not a classic album in your eyes then! me- i think its bloody good and compared to albums such as distant horizons is like chelsea and bloody doncaster! From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Sep 13 14:36:05 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:36:05 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: What's up with good ole Donnie Rovers - they're doing well for coming back from the dead................... Now, if you had said Grimsby, I'd have understood! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review > so thats a 6.4 out of ten then! > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > not a classic album in your eyes then! > > me- i think its bloody good and compared to albums such as distant horizons > is like chelsea and bloody doncaster! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.22/98 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.22/98 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Sep 13 14:36:56 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:36:56 +0100 Subject: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: nope, ain't there. It goes a bit strange with Lene at the end then fades. Josh Schwartz wrote: >Can somebody who has the album already tell me if the studio version >includes the harmony vocals at the end of the song? The live version on the SOTA >did not include them, but I have heard more recent live versions that added a >great harmony vocal part at the end that really made the song for me. Thanks! > >-Josh > (Still waiting for the album over here in the U.S.A.) > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Sep 13 14:36:53 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:36:53 +0200 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: <1f7.12020551.3058745c@aol.com> Message-ID: If you see it mathematical then I have to agree with you But the tracks with 10 or 9 points have much more weight than the crap ones Therefore it is one of the better albums IMHO Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mick Davis Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:29 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review so thats a 6.4 out of ten then! not a classic album in your eyes then! me- i think its bloody good and compared to albums such as distant horizons is like chelsea and bloody doncaster! From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 13 15:05:08 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:05:08 +0100 Subject: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No It doesn't have them - they only seemed to have done this in early live versions of the song - the last few times I've seen them play it they had dropped the harmonised lines. I agree it sounded great. Mick --- Josh Schwartz wrote: > Can somebody who has the album already tell me if > the studio version > includes the harmony vocals at the end of the song? > The live version on the SOTA > did not include them, but I have heard more recent > live versions that added a > great harmony vocal part at the end that really made > the song for me. Thanks! > > -Josh > (Still waiting for the album over here in the > U.S.A.) > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 15:32:18 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:32:18 EDT Subject: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? Message-ID: Damn, that was the only part of the song that I really liked! In a message dated 9/13/2005 12:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: No It doesn't have them - they only seemed to have done this in early live versions of the song - the last few times I've seen them play it they had dropped the harmonised lines. I agree it sounded great. Mick From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Tue Sep 13 16:44:56 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:44:56 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My understanding from the powers that be was that there was basically enough for two good releases and that a new CD will be much sooner than than the last one. MUCH. Mike pete howe wrote: > yes..What DID happen to those other tracks???-Reality of Poverty?String > theory?Cyberspace(written by simon house)?The Silver machine > remake?(aired > once in tribute to Tommy Vance) and Long time friend(a Dave Brock > song)?Im > sure ive missed a couple of others too...but are these tracks going to > see > the light of day???? > Pete From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Tue Sep 13 16:49:04 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaos Illumination) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:49:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? Message-ID: Hi Mick, I'm not sure what the most recent gigs are that you've been to, but they certainly HAVE sung the harmonies on the last few tours! I agree that it sounds great with the harmonies too, it's a personal favourite of mine that we can fit the lightshow around quite well. Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? > No It doesn't have them - they only seemed to have > done this in early live versions of the song - the > last few times I've seen them play it they had dropped > the harmonised lines. I agree it sounded great. > > Mick > > > --- Josh Schwartz wrote: > > > Can somebody who has the album already tell me if > > the studio version > > includes the harmony vocals at the end of the song? > > The live version on the SOTA > > did not include them, but I have heard more recent > > live versions that added a > > great harmony vocal part at the end that really made > > the song for me. Thanks! > > > > -Josh > > (Still waiting for the album over here in the > > U.S.A.) > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 16:54:11 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:54:11 EDT Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: think your being too harsh bernard ! do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? ever listened to business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? i think all the tracks are very very clever and come from the heart and are far more musical than some previous early 90 s tracks? anyone else agree? From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Sep 13 17:01:46 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:01:46 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review - Question Message-ID: For the people that have heard it, how does it compare to let's say: Alien 4 or Electric Teepee? Like the other folks in the U.S., I am anxiously awaiting my copy. Dan From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Sep 13 17:04:44 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:04:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Coming to Boston In-Reply-To: <20050913081929.un20dcowcwo0ok04@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Can I just say how good it is to have a BOC related story, albeit for a show I have ABSOLUTELY no chance of going to. More BOC stories please. John, how about a few stories from your archive? Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of David Kuznick Sent: 13 September 2005 13:19 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: Coming to Boston Quoting John Swartz : > I just found out that BOC is going to be playing in Boston next Sunday, > the 18th of September, as part of the "Taste of Boston" activities > (http://www.tasteofboston.com/). Kind of strange that BOC, who haven't > played in Boston proper in probably 15 years (although they've played in > nearby Cambridge a few times over the past decade), is playing at a > "Taste of Boston" event. Wow, and I thought I had just looked recently for BOC dates in Boston and saw zilch. Thanks for the heads-up! I'm there! I'll try to find my old "On the Net Or On Your Knees" BOC-L shirt to wear. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Tue Sep 13 17:04:19 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:04:19 EDT Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review - Question Message-ID: far better and production is ten years on From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Sep 13 18:22:49 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:22:49 -0500 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: There's no accounting for taste I suppose, as I rather liked IITBOTFTBD and still rank it highly! John Majka > do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? ever listened to > business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? > > i think all the tracks are very very clever and come from the heart and > are > far more musical than some previous early 90 s tracks? > > anyone else agree? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 13 20:16:05 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:16:05 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: bernhard.pospiech's message of Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:36:53 +0200 Message-ID: bernhard.pospiech writes: > If you see it mathematical then I have to agree with you > > But the tracks with 10 or 9 points have much more weight than the crap ones We did a long run at calculation of ratings of albums against individual tracks way way back in the mists of time... Our conclusion was that where Hawkwind was concerned at least, the correlation of album rating with track rating was achieved by squaring the track weightings, summing the squares, then dividing by the number of tracks. I think that basically supports the conclusion that one good track can outweigh a couple of bad ones and an album will be a hit once it has four good tracks plus anything else worth talking about. FoFP From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 14 04:59:38 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:59:38 +0000 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: <000601c5b877$5f665c50$6e00a8c0@roobarb> Message-ID: beggars belief!!! I rang AMAZON, as advised,as i still havent received my TMTYL CD/SE and they insisted they hadnt had the item in yet!When i insisted that others had received theirs, and i ordered in July, they said , it wouldnt have been from them and did i know these people.I said I knew one personally, he just said ,they couldnt have got it from Amazon as they hadnt received the item yet, and were terminating my call! Customer service???Amazon need a good kick up the arse!. disgusted Pete Mark Storer >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: TMTYL >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:25:26 +0100 > >Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! >I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on >Amazoon(sic) >I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it >has been sent!!!! >First come first served my arse! > >Mark Storer > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "pete howe" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:59 AM >Subject: Re: TMTYL > > >>hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver >>delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in the >>U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I >>know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already >>got theirs!!! >> grrrrrr.. >> pete >> >>>From: Joe Loehr >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Re: TMTYL >>>Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:25:58 EDT >>> >>>In a message dated 9/12/2005 6:54:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >>>eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >>> >>>Turned up from Amazon this morning and have just listened to it on >>>headphones at work, not had chance to watch the DVD yet though. My brief >>>comments would be: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Got the E-mail today saying mine is on its way! >>> >>>Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy >>> >>>I love getting Good Stuff in the mail! >>> >>>This will only be the second Hawkwind release that I've gotten when it's >>>been new, 'In Your Area' being the first. >>> >>>Deep in Anticipation >>> >>>Joe >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. >>http://messenger.msn.co.uk >> >>__________ NOD32 1.1214 (20050912) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Sep 14 05:18:48 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:18:48 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: <1fd.9fa81c0.30589673@aol.com> Message-ID: hey hey hey !!!!! lay off ITBOTFTBD one of the finest LP's the Hawks ever did... totally awesome LP... Glad we all like different LP's would be a pisser for the band to realise everyone only liked one LP... However I repeat, do not give out to Its the Business, your favourite hawk LP wont stand up to it unless its QSC..... ohhhhhh now there is an LP..... BTW.. I really like the New LP, the 2nd track is doing it for me at this time... iain Mick Davis wrote on 9/13/2005, 9:54 PM: > think your being too harsh bernard ! > > do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? ever > listened to > business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? > > i think all the tracks are very very clever and come from the heart > and are > far more musical than some previous early 90 s tracks? > > anyone else agree? > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 14 05:26:45 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:26:45 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? Message-ID: The bonus DVD that is... Why? FoFP From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 14 05:33:44 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:33:44 +0000 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: <1fd.9fa81c0.30589673@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes I agree I think it is the bext album since Xenon Codex in the late 80's? But is nowhere near ISOS, Space Ritual, WOTEOT, QS&C, Hawkloards, Levitiation, Live '79, Black Sword, Choose your Masques. >From: Mick Davis >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:54:11 EDT > >think your being too harsh bernard ! > >do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? ever listened to >business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? > >i think all the tracks are very very clever and come from the heart and are >far more musical than some previous early 90 s tracks? > >anyone else agree? From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 14 06:19:20 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:19:20 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: I am now the proud owner of TMTYL with dvd!!! I ordered it again from Amazoony on Monday(12th, day of release), it arrived this morning. I am still told that the one I ordered on 25th July is not in stock yet!! Amazoony need much more than a kick up the arse. p.s. the dvd is pretty good, sound quality crap on the live tracks though. cd is excellent, still not sure about "Letter to Robert" Mark Storer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete howe" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: TMTYL > beggars belief!!! > I rang AMAZON, as advised,as i still havent received my TMTYL CD/SE and > they insisted they hadnt had the item in yet!When i insisted that others > had > received theirs, and i ordered in July, they said , it wouldnt have been > from them and did i know these people.I said I knew one personally, he > just > said ,they couldnt have got it from Amazon as they hadnt received the item > yet, and were terminating my call! > Customer service???Amazon need a good kick up the arse!. > disgusted > Pete > Mark Storer >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: TMTYL >>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:25:26 +0100 >> >>Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! >>I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on >>Amazoon(sic) >>I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it >>has been sent!!!! >>First come first served my arse! >> >>Mark Storer >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "pete howe" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:59 AM >>Subject: Re: TMTYL >> >> >>>hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver >>>delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in >>>the >>>U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I >>>know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already >>>got theirs!!! >>> grrrrrr.. >>> pete From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 14 06:14:42 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:14:42 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <1125710842.830.18.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:27:22PM -0400, Paul Mather typed out: > > An interesting take on moral distancing, there, and I'm sure similar to > the one used unsuccessfully at Nuremberg. :-) My view is that it takes > two to tango, so if you're going to froth at people selling promos you > should a) be consistent and froth at all promo sellers (and not exempt > some on the basis that they're waiting a tactful amount of time before > doing what you otherwise consider to be a rip off of the band); and b) > probably not buy them yourself (because there can't be a sale without a > purchase). Is that a careful application of Godwin in the hope that this thread will die? ;-) If not, I'm not sure I've made myself clear. It's not the wait that I was ausggesting helps the moral case of the seller of the original promo-recipient who sells it (though I guess selling it once the relevant article has dropped out of the charts is probably better than E-Baying it while the band is still gunning for a place... ). I was saying instead that once you've bought the thing, whether or not you should have done (I'm not sure what I think about that) are you really expected not to sell it on if it becomes surplus? Shouldn't you expect to recoup your costs if you sell something that you bought which maybe shouldn't have been for sale? It's application of the traders' principle, you see, give away what was given and sell what was sold. To my mind the original recipient of the promo and subsequent buyers/sellers are in different ethical positions because of this. But it's only philosophy of course. > I've bought a few promos down through the years (I don't think any > Hawkwind ones, oddly enough), and I certainly don't advocate those that > sell them be shot in the head. Hopefully, there a certain consistency > in that stance. :-) I don't advocate shooting anyone in the head, so the fine gradations of my morals don't really show up well here :-) Yours, Jon ObLP: Golden Earring - _Moontan_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 14 06:47:13 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:47:13 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: eddie jobson's message of Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:33:44 +0000 Message-ID: eddie jobson writes: > Yes I agree I think it is the bext album since Xenon Codex in the late 80's? > But is nowhere near ISOS, Space Ritual, WOTEOT, QS&C, Hawkloards, > Levitiation, Live '79, Black Sword, Choose your Masques. I'd put it about on a par with Hawklords and above Xenon Codex and Black Sword. FoFP From zim594j at TNINET.SE Wed Sep 14 06:57:39 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (zim594j@tninet.se) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:57:39 +0200 Subject: Ang: Re: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: I got my promo today, a bit late so I was afraid they somehow found out that I've been touring with Nik on a few occasions ;) Anyway, thanx, it was really great, it sounds good and I'll buy the album when I get some money, which probably means that I won't get the dvd :,( And, no, You won't find my copy on e-bay! Again, THANX! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 14 07:57:20 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:57:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: From the Archive In-Reply-To: <200509140903.j8E8xpJe014450@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > > Can I just say how good it is to have a BOC related story, albeit for a show > I have ABSOLUTELY no chance of going to. More BOC stories please. John, > how about a few stories from your archive? Well, since the subject was BOC in Boston, here's my notes from the last two times I saw them play in Boston proper - at the now long-gone "Channel" nightclub: B L U E O Y S T E R C U L T The Channel Boston, Massachusetts October 17, 1985 Note: Not sure about the exact ordering of some of the songs in the middle of the set. The songs (in order performed): R. U. Ready 2 Rock E.T.I. Buck's Boogie Make Rock, Not War* Take Me Away Dancin' in the Ruins* Then Came the Last Days of May Joan Crawford Wings of Mercury* Burnin' For You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper -- encores -- Cities on Flame Hot Rails to Hell Notes: BOC: Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, Joe Bouchard, Tommy Zvonchek, Jimmy Wilcox *New song. Eric Bloom turned out to be a prophet that night, asking the crowd, "How 'bout the Red Sox and the Mets in the World Series next year?" (He also added, "I hate the Yankees, man, they suck.") The Red Sox and the Mets played eachother in the 1986 World Series. Joe Bouchard sang the first verse of "Joan Crawford", but appeared to have trouble remembering the lyrics. Eric Bloom sang the second verse. From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Sep 14 08:03:53 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:03:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: From the Archive In-Reply-To: <43281020.5040206@mitre.org> Message-ID: Recently moe. were the guest band for Carson Daily's show. When Samuel L Jackson came out for his interview segment, they played Godzilla. J. From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Wed Sep 14 08:04:35 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:04:35 -0500 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: I'd have to say that "Letter to Robert" is one of my favorites on the album.... It has that unexpected and psychedelic quality to it which is characteristically Hawkwind! John Majka > cd is excellent, still not sure about "Letter to Robert" > Mark Storer. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 14 08:16:28 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:16:28 +0000 Subject: gig reminder: Sloterdijk/Assassins of Silence NYC this saturday 9/17!!!! Message-ID: Just a reminder about this very special gig. click on the following link for details: http://www.smartcontent.info/celebrityreporting/Friends_of_Hawkwind_to_Converge.htm also venue info at: http://www.baggotinn.com ( see Baggot Inn Calendar ) Please feel free to pass this info along: Pick up a Hawkwind full color promo flyer for their new studio album 'Take Me To Your Leader' at the gig!!! http://www.Hawkwind.com From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Sep 14 08:21:24 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:21:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: From the Archive Message-ID: >>> jswartz at MITRE.ORG 09/14/05 7:57 AM >>> Well, since the subject was BOC in Boston, here's my notes from the last two times I saw them play in Boston proper - at the now long-gone "Channel" nightclub: Wings of Mercury* Heh, one of my fave B?C gems. I wonder how many folks on this list have heard it in person? I could have sworn that, on the CN tour, they played another new song that didn't make the album. Does anyone else remember that? Maybe it was one of the tunes that wound up on "Bad Channels?" Thoughts? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 14 08:28:55 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:28:55 +0100 Subject: Gig review: Off The Tracks Message-ID: After passing out 500 leaflets for the single, and donning my specially customised Lucky Leif helmet (with colour-changing horns), we headed own to the Marquee for the gig. It was pretty damn warm inside, so we took a place a few rows back near the left speaker, mainly because that side of the tent was open and letting in some air. The tent was a bit low-ceilinged, which gave the light crew a bit of trouble, but they overcame this and produced a spectacular show which really wowed the audience. Anyway, the band opened with The Right Stuff, played pretty much as the anthem it's always been when Alan takes the vocals. A good kick-ass start to the night. This was followed by Sword of the East played a bit closer to the Bedouin style, which really rocked. Greenback Massacre was next up. I try to like this one more and it does have the basic elements of a classic Hawkwind track. Nevertheless it never seems to acquire the tight blanga style of the real rockers like LSD and Brainstorm. To be honest I've wondered if this wouldn't sound a little more polished if Dave took the vocals. Seven by Seven was next and this is where the gig really took off. My nephews were there for their first ever rock gig and were hoisted onto their dad's shoulders for this one. Really enjoyable and it didn't hurt that Dave dedicated it to me for my birthday (I see Jill was busy while I was on holiday ;-) A very nice thought and my thanks to all concerned. The pace slowed up a little with Out Here We Are. I wasn't sure of the timing since certainly down near the front the audience were looking to keep dancing. Fortunately they got their wish when Angela Android kicked in. The version was quite close to the one on the single. I'd been trying to remember when I heard it played as on the single and I realised that I've only heard it played that way at Arin and Rich's wedding. It'd be nice to think the single is from that recording, but I don't hear Keef's guitar, but certainly it has to be around that time I think. What other gigs were played around then? Then into Hassan I Sabha and the Space is Their Palestine insert. The lights were really taking off at this point. I'd been wondering if we'd get the Belly Dancer who'd been around the festival (and supplying lessons) and on stage for other bands, but no luck. Paradox came up next and the start of this was to me the one really weak part of the gig. It didn't sound together and Jason seemed too high in the mix for much of the song, though to be fair, there was no time for a soundcheck. Once the blanga kicked in things improved a lot but I don't think this one is yet as good live as it could be. Now into the Assault and Battery/Golden Void combination done in the classic WotEoT mode and seguing into Where Are They Now?, for decades a favourite of mine and done here better than I've ever heard it. I do think that with another verse, this would make a really excellent single. Does anyone have the lyrics of this? I'd be up for trying to write another verse... Then into an unmistakeable riff: Treadmill. I can't remember when we last heard that one live and this time it was played well and truly on form and segued into Snake Dance, another returnee from 1992. Psychedelic Warlords followed, and with max blanga. Dumpy came on for Brainstorm and the band really let rip, with the light crew seemingly having summoned up The Strobes of The Dawn as the tent seemed filled with a thousand of the buggers. Alan Dave and Dumpy were clearly having a lot of fun and they jammed into a very extended version of it. Then off for a well deserved pint (it must have been helluva hot on stage) while the audience found the rhythm of a chant of "Hawkwind! Hawkwind!" to summon them back. Sadly my nephews, who had adopted Spirit of the Age as their Hawkwind mantra due to me playing it in the car and at the campsite, had long since fallen asleep and been carried back to the tent. Finally, at the encore, the band had their chance to kick out the new single and the audience had their opportunity to sing back the chorus. Definitely Go At Throttle Up for all. Then Dumpy joined in with Silver Machine which was a great idea for the non-Hawkwind fans who'd come along for all the world music at the festival. I think it'd be fair to say that they got an unforgettable two hours to figure out why all these Hawkwind fans turned up, drunk all 38 kegs of real ale, and wittered enthusiastically about the band while pushing leaflets into all available paws and tentacles. Or maybe that was just me. I really hope the gig was recorded because it'd make an absolutely astounding live double album. If not, then let's please have it sold to the passport holders, those who missed it shouldn't miss it. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 14 09:02:48 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:02:48 -0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: <200509140926.j8E9Qjoc008098@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M Holmes : > The bonus DVD that is... > > Why? To make sure the UK fans who can easily get the DVD are as pissed off as the US fans who can't easily get it. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Sep 14 10:25:13 2005 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:25:13 -0600 Subject: the release after TMTYL In-Reply-To: <20050914090248.34ko4o8co4soc40o@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Second try at posting this: Way sooner, like next Monday, according to http://www.101cd.com/Music/info.asp?id=6305318&dept= Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Montfort Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review My understanding from the powers that be was that there was basically enough for two good releases and that a new CD will be much sooner than than the last one. MUCH. Mike From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Wed Sep 14 10:50:02 2005 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:02 +0200 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: <20050914090248.34ko4o8co4soc40o@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 09:02 Wed 14 Sep , David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting M Holmes : > > > The bonus DVD that is... > > > > Why? > > To make sure the UK fans who can easily get the DVD are as pissed off as the US > fans who can't easily get it. I think it's due to Americans being challenged in the DVD player department. Europeans have multi-region players and _most_ of them handle NTSC colour, or the TV does. If neither of them speaks NTSC, you get black and white. If either the DVD player or the TV does, you get colour. (You can see the same thing on imported Playstation games.) I've got a new Sony DVD player, but some discs have to played on my old cheap'n'nasty United, because I've got a creaky old TV set. It's very common with music discs, I've found. -- Roy G. Ovrebo From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Sep 14 11:18:20 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:18:20 +0200 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: <1fd.9fa81c0.30589673@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Mick >do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? >ever listened to business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? I must admit that there are far wore track on other albums. Most of the NT influenced tacks like WATCHING THE GRASS GROW or GHOST DANCE I really like TMTYL very much. But like all albums it contains "Out Of This World" tracks and some "weak" tracks. Thats very natural Cheers Bernhard From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Sep 14 11:31:34 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:31:34 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: >>> bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE 09/14/05 11:18 AM >>> Hi Mick >do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? >ever listened to business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? I must admit that there are far wore track on other albums. Most of the NT influenced tacks like WATCHING THE GRASS GROW or GHOST DANCE I really like TMTYL very much. But like all albums it contains "Out Of This World" tracks and some "weak" tracks. Thats very natural Hey, consider us B?C fans. It's not easy to be objective when you've waited a while for new output. It was hard to point out the flaws in HF and CotHM, but, like all CDs, they are there... And, like B?C, HW's duff tracks are still better than most other band's best stuff... tj tj From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Sep 14 11:46:07 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:46:07 +0200 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there >And, like B?C, HW's duff tracks are still better than most other band's best stuff... Thats VERY true !!! Bernhard From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 14 11:52:51 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:52:51 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Ted Jackson : > Hey, consider us B?C fans. It's not easy to be objective when > you've waited a while for new output. It was hard to point > out the flaws in HF and CotHM. Wow, spoken like a true fanboy. :-) > but, like all CDs, they are > there... I was really surprised with how good HF was (not every track of course :-). I had avoided it for years after reading negative reviews. On CotHM I found very little to get excited about. > And, like B?C, HW's duff tracks are still better than most > other band's best stuff... Though I think BOC suffers much more from a worse filler to good-stuff ratio than Hawkwind. But that's me, I'm sure many people think most of their albums are great all the way through. Both still kick-ass live though. Maybe I'll even get to see Hawkwind again here in the US this decade... Annoys me to no end that the Ozrics have been doing almost yearly swings through the US recently (and are headlining Day 1 of NEARFest next year!) and HW almost never makes it over, and when they do, it tends to be for a one-off. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Sep 14 12:03:13 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:03:13 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: >>> dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU 09/14/05 11:52 AM >>> Quoting Ted Jackson : > Hey, consider us B?C fans. It's not easy to be objective when > you've waited a while for new output. It was hard to point > out the flaws in HF and CotHM. Wow, spoken like a true fanboy. :-) Heh, I put the boots to both CDs when they came out... Well, a little bit... > but, like all CDs, they are > there... I was really surprised with how good HF was (not every track of course :-). I had avoided it for years after reading negative reviews. Yah, there are a couple real head-scratchers on there, but I guess Harvest Moon and SYiB are worth the whole CD... On CotHM I found very little to get excited about. Really? I found it to be the better of the 2, sound-wise esp., although nothing close to the 2 mentioned above... > And, like B?C, HW's duff tracks are still better than most > other band's best stuff... Though I think BOC suffers much more from a worse filler to good-stuff ratio than Hawkwind. But that's me, I'm sure many people think most of their albums are great all the way through. I would agree with them, up to Albert's departure, then they get pretty spotty. B?C def. has some tunes that really make me cringe, esp. on the last 2 CDs... Both still kick-ass live though. Maybe I'll even get to see Hawkwind again here in the US this decade... Annoys me to no end that the Ozrics have been doing almost yearly swings through the US recently (and are headlining Day 1 of NEARFest next year!) and HW almost never makes it over, and when they do, it tends to be for a one-off. Never had the pleasure of a live HW gig, but bet yer ass I'd see them if they EVER get over here again... tj From coral at APORT.RU Wed Sep 14 12:50:01 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:50:01 +0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: When people prefer different tracks from the album it means it contains no fillers :). cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review > Hi Mick > > > >do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? > >ever listened to business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? > > I must admit that there are far wore track on other albums. > Most of the NT influenced tacks like WATCHING THE GRASS GROW or GHOST DANCE > > I really like TMTYL very much. > But like all albums it contains "Out Of This World" tracks and some "weak" > tracks. > Thats very natural > > > Cheers > Bernhard > From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 14 12:55:14 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:55:14 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: They just sent me an email to say that TMTYL is on its way......... This follows the email yesterday to say that the book that I'd added to the order had been dispatched......... No sense in what they do Cheers, Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Storer" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: TMTYL > I am now the proud owner of TMTYL with dvd!!! > I ordered it again from Amazoony on Monday(12th, day of release), it arrived > this morning. > I am still told that the one I ordered on 25th July is not in stock yet!! > Amazoony need much more than a kick up the arse. > p.s. the dvd is pretty good, sound quality crap on the live tracks though. > cd is excellent, still not sure about "Letter to Robert" > > Mark Storer. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pete howe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: TMTYL > > > > beggars belief!!! > > I rang AMAZON, as advised,as i still havent received my TMTYL CD/SE and > > they insisted they hadnt had the item in yet!When i insisted that others > > had > > received theirs, and i ordered in July, they said , it wouldnt have been > > from them and did i know these people.I said I knew one personally, he > > just > > said ,they couldnt have got it from Amazon as they hadnt received the item > > yet, and were terminating my call! > > Customer service???Amazon need a good kick up the arse!. > > disgusted > > Pete > > Mark Storer > >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>Subject: Re: TMTYL > >>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:25:26 +0100 > >> > >>Ok folks, see if this makes sense!!! > >>I ordered TMTYL on 25th July, and it still says awaiting dispatch on > >>Amazoon(sic) > >>I ordered another one yesterday, and have just received an email to say it > >>has been sent!!!! > >>First come first served my arse! > >> > >>Mark Storer > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "pete howe" > >>To: > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:59 AM > >>Subject: Re: TMTYL > >> > >> > >>>hmppph!!!I ordered mine in July,and NOT by the slower super saver > >>>delivery..and ive still got a delivery estimate of the 17th, and im in > >>>the > >>>U.K...and no word yet from Amazon about it being despatched!Yet friends I > >>>know who order after me, and by Super Saver SLOWER delivery have already > >>>got theirs!!! > >>> grrrrrr.. > >>> pete > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Sep 14 12:56:31 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:56:31 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: <200509140926.j8E9Qjoc008098@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dunno how you tell, but mine plays fine on both DVD player and PC so I assume mine's PAL. M Holmes wrote: >The bonus DVD that is... > >Why? > >FoFP > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 14 13:24:00 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:24:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? In-Reply-To: <003d01c5b8a4$93f7b900$1530a8c0@Marie> Message-ID: Hi Neil, Blackburn was the last one I went to, I'd swear they didn't sing the lines at that gig, or the last time I heard at it Manchester - of course I could very well be wrong. Cheers, Mick --- Chaos Illumination wrote: > Hi Mick, > > I'm not sure what the most recent gigs are that > you've been to, but they > certainly HAVE sung the harmonies on the last few > tours! > > I agree that it sounds great with the harmonies too, > it's a personal > favourite of mine that we can fit the lightshow > around quite well. > > Neil. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Crook" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? > > > > No It doesn't have them - they only seemed to have > > done this in early live versions of the song - the > > last few times I've seen them play it they had > dropped > > the harmonised lines. I agree it sounded great. > > > > Mick > > > > > > --- Josh Schwartz wrote: > > > > > Can somebody who has the album already tell me > if > > > the studio version > > > includes the harmony vocals at the end of the > song? > > > The live version on the SOTA > > > did not include them, but I have heard more > recent > > > live versions that added a > > > great harmony vocal part at the end that really > made > > > the song for me. Thanks! > > > > > > -Josh > > > (Still waiting for the album over here in the > > > U.S.A.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC > calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 14 13:53:37 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:53:37 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL-another review Message-ID: I think the lady has a good point.............. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review > When people prefer different tracks from the album it means it contains no > fillers :). > > cheers, > Alisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL-another review > > > > Hi Mick > > > > > > >do you really believe there are crap tracks on the album? > > >ever listened to business of the future i.e techno tropic etc ? > > > > I must admit that there are far wore track on other albums. > > Most of the NT influenced tacks like WATCHING THE GRASS GROW or GHOST > DANCE > > > > I really like TMTYL very much. > > But like all albums it contains "Out Of This World" tracks and some "weak" > > tracks. > > Thats very natural > > > > > > Cheers > > Bernhard > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 14 14:37:42 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:37:42 EDT Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: In a message dated 14/09/2005 11:14:17 GMT Standard Time, mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: I am still told that the one I ordered on 25th July is not in stock yet!! The 2 I ordered on the 25th July, you know - the one's that are not in stock, they were sent to me today after a verbal ass kicking yesterday. See a following email regarding that. Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 14 14:39:25 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:39:25 EDT Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: They got one from me, though it was hard to get a word in without forcefully interrupting to get my points across. I did that though and my 2 copies (one for a friend - not Ebay) have been dispatched. The email was sent at 8:49 this morning. Anyone who is still having problems, give them a call on 0800 279 6620. Lines are open until 18:00 GMT. It's difficult enough trying to contact them by email and when you do you just get crap like "first come first served". Anyway, as I said, mine's been sent at last. I hope everyone else gets theirs soon, but give them a call if you have had no joy yet. And dont take any sh*t. Be forceful, but not abusive. Steve. In a message dated 14/09/2005 10:02:01 GMT Standard Time, sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM writes: I rang AMAZON, as advised,as i still havent received my TMTYL CD/SE and they insisted they hadnt had the item in yet!When i insisted that others had received theirs, and i ordered in July, they said , it wouldnt have been from them and did i know these people.I said I knew one personally, he just said ,they couldnt have got it from Amazon as they hadnt received the item yet, and were terminating my call! Customer service???Amazon need a good kick up the arse!. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 14 16:12:20 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:12:20 -0400 Subject: Speaking of filler... Message-ID: or not. I think I may have brought this up way back in my first BOC-L go-round, but why on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed at it? I REALLY like it! Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but SO WHAT? Try throwing out your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound like, and *listen* to it. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Sep 14 17:09:14 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:09:14 +0200 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050914161220.usw0s80ocgw4s04o@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: >or not. > >I think I may have brought this up way back in my first BOC-L go-round, but why >on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed at it? I REALLY like it! >Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but SO WHAT? Try throwing out >your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound like, and *listen* to it. > > That's something I've been wondering about myself. I too like it, mainly because it is so different from what others have done, and from what _they_ have done. Personally, I find artists that try different things generally more interesting than those that do the same thing over and over again. Gr, Arjan H From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 14 17:52:23 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:52:23 +0100 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <4328917A.9000204@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: It's one of those BOC albums that doesn't sound like a BOC album. Half the songs were written by people who previously had nothing to do with the band, it sounds dated and some of the songs are just plain weak. Whereas this is dated, the first three albums, really right up to Spectres are (to me at least) timeless. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Arjan Hulsebos Sent: 14 September 2005 22:09 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Speaking of filler... David Kuznick wrote: >or not. > >I think I may have brought this up way back in my first BOC-L go-round, but why >on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed at it? I REALLY like it! >Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but SO WHAT? Try throwing out >your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound like, and *listen* to it. > > That's something I've been wondering about myself. I too like it, mainly because it is so different from what others have done, and from what _they_ have done. Personally, I find artists that try different things generally more interesting than those that do the same thing over and over again. Gr, Arjan H From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Wed Sep 14 11:48:58 2005 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:48:58 +0100 Subject: HW: QS&C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've just spotted this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009XFEE0/qid=1126637364/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/202-0792846-0184635 Oooh! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Sep 14 18:13:10 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:13:10 +0000 Subject: Assassins of Silence/Sloterdijk NYC 9/17...anyone from these lists coming? Message-ID: Just wondered if anyone from these lists will be at the show? Peace, Mike From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Sep 14 22:32:50 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:32:50 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBCT0M6ICBGcm9tIHRoZSBBcmNoaXZl?= Message-ID: I thought Wings of Mercury was a fantastic song. Maybe there's still a chance they'll slap it on an album someday. That's the only "lost" song I remember them playing at that show. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Ted Jackson >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:21:24 > >>>> jswartz at MITRE.ORG 09/14/05 7:57 AM >>> > >Well, since the subject was BOC in Boston, here's >my notes from the last >two times I saw them play in Boston proper - at the >now long-gone >"Channel" nightclub: > > Wings of Mercury* > > >Heh, one of my fave B?C gems. I wonder how many >folks on this >list have heard it in person? > >I could have sworn that, on the CN tour, they >played another >new song that didn't make the album. Does anyone >else >remember that? Maybe it was one of the tunes that >wound up on "Bad Channels?" Thoughts? > > >theo From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Sep 14 19:09:52 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:09:52 -0400 Subject: hawk:dvds Message-ID: Hi all: in case anyone's interested, i rec'd a catalog in the mail today from nina's discount oldies. in their clearance dvd section it lists hawkwind - chaos live 1986 ($17.95)item mv9246d; chronicle of the black sword ($16.75)item mv70032d; and love in space live 1995 ($24.95)item mv2335d. I've bought stuff from them before, and it's all first quality (no used - some cutout)stuff, cds, dvds & books. If anyone's interested the toll free ordering number is 1-800-336-4627; m-f 8a - 9p; sat. 11aa - 5p. (my orders in & all were in stock this afternoon) tim 8>)... ps:free shipping over $50 From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Sep 15 07:28:21 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:28:21 -0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? Message-ID: Hi All The DVD's were all encoded NTSC REGION 0 so (in theory) they should be playable worldwide. (PAL Region 0 doesn't play happily in USA) Rik From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 15 07:47:33 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:47:33 -0400 Subject: BOC - Club Ninja and Wings of Mercury In-Reply-To: <200509150900.j8F9044d022764@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > > Wings of Mercury* > > > Heh, one of my fave B?C gems. I wonder how many folks on this > list have heard it in person? Yeah, one of my faves (I have the *Into the Crypts of Rays* bootleg CD from live broadcast of the Club Ninja tour and that track is on it). > > I could have sworn that, on the CN tour, they played another > new song that didn't make the album. Does anyone else > remember that? Maybe it was one of the tunes that > wound up on "Bad Channels?" Thoughts? I don't believe so - I suppose it's possible, but I never heard of another track from that timeframe that didn't make the album. On the other hand, around the time of the Bad Channels release (1992, I believe), BOC was playing one or both of the Bad Channels tracks, as well as some tracks that later appeared on *Heaven Forbid* (Harvest Moon, Still Burnin', Cold Grey Light of Dawn, Power Underneath Despair), so it's possible you are thinking of one of those... >> >>I think I may have brought this up way back in my first BOC-L go-round, but why >>on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed at it? I REALLY like it! >>Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but SO WHAT? Try throwing out >>your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound like, and *listen* to it. >It's one of those BOC albums that doesn't sound like a BOC album. Half the >songs were written by people who previously had nothing to do with the band, >it sounds dated and some of the songs are just plain weak. Whereas this is >dated, the first three albums, really right up to Spectres are (to me at >least) timeless. Yeah, I once heard somebody describe it as a very good album, but a very bad "BOC Album". This album was where Albert's departure was really felt, IMHO. I also have a theory that there are very few songs on the album that nearly all BOC fans like. Ask any 5 different BOC fans about BOC, and they'll likely tell you the album is bad, but "____" is a great song (and "____" will be different for each of those people). Still, I like listening to it on ocassion (even "Beat 'em Up" gets my foot tapping...). Another theory - Club Ninja came out at a time that BOC's popularity was on a steep decline. Albert had left in '81, and the band's next studio release came out in '84 (and *Revolution By Night* wasn't seen as a career-reviving album by most, although it too had it's moments). 2 years later, without much touring by the band, and diehard fans I think were waiting for BOC to make a "statement" and show that they were still the kick-ass rockers we all knew and loved - with those expectations, *Club Ninja* comes off as a disappointment. But, like others have said, if you put aside expectations and listen to it, you'll find that there's some good stuff there. John PS: No BOC discussion in months, and people start by discussing *Club Ninja* - funny... From wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET Thu Sep 15 08:01:36 2005 From: wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:01:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Video collection likely? Message-ID: Hello BOC-L (and especially Al), Does anybody have any idea what the likelihood of a BOC video collection is? I'm meaning specifically the videos for the singles, any interviews that might be around, stuff like that. I already have Live 1976 and Long Day's Night. Also -- and probably Al is the only one who can answer this -- in the Joan Crawford video it looks at one point like Al is using a couple of small branches (all bendy and pointy) instead of proper drumsticks. Was I seeing things? I've only seen the video once but if there's a story behind this I'd like to hear it. Thanks, Warrick Bell From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Thu Sep 15 08:39:35 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:39:35 +0100 Subject: Off: It's arrived!! Message-ID: After pre-ordering absolutely AGES ago and waiting patiently by the post box for so long that the mice are nesting in my pockets that CD I've been looking forward to for so long has finally arrived! Beautifully packaged and full of timeless classics. Planet Gong 'Floating Anarchy 1991' Bloody fantastic and one of the best Ali Babas. :-) From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Sep 15 09:00:31 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:00:31 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBCT0MgLSBDbHViIE5pbmphIGFuZCBXaW5ncyBvZiBNZXJjdXJ5?= Message-ID: I remember when Club Ninja came out. Like a lot of others on the list, I ran out to grab it on release day. I remember thinking it was really cool at first. But after repeated listenings, the lameness of some of the tracks started showing through. That being said, I will defend Perfect Water, Shadow Warrior and When the War Comes to the death. Dancin' in the Ruins is pretty decent, but could have used less of that "new wave" influence that was spoken of. And White Flags, for reasons I'll never quite understand, remains a guilty pleasure that I'll only admit to in certain company. :) --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: John Swartz >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:47:33 > >> >> Wings of Mercury* >> >> >> Heh, one of my fave B?C gems. I wonder how many >folks on this >> list have heard it in person? > >Yeah, one of my faves (I have the *Into the Crypts >of Rays* bootleg CD >from live broadcast of the Club Ninja tour and that >track is on it). > >> >> I could have sworn that, on the CN tour, they >played another >> new song that didn't make the album. Does anyone >else >> remember that? Maybe it was one of the tunes >that >> wound up on "Bad Channels?" Thoughts? > >I don't believe so - I suppose it's possible, but I >never heard of >another track from that timeframe that didn't make >the album. On the >other hand, around the time of the Bad Channels >release (1992, I >believe), BOC was playing one or both of the Bad >Channels tracks, as >well as some tracks that later appeared on *Heaven >Forbid* (Harvest >Moon, Still Burnin', Cold Grey Light of Dawn, Power >Underneath Despair), >so it's possible you are thinking of one of >those... > >>> >>>I think I may have brought this up way back in my >first BOC-L go-round, but why >>>on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed >at it? I REALLY like it! >>>Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but >SO WHAT? Try throwing out >>>your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound >like, and *listen* to it. > >>It's one of those BOC albums that doesn't sound >like a BOC album. Half the >>songs were written by people who previously had >nothing to do with the band, >>it sounds dated and some of the songs are just >plain weak. Whereas this is >>dated, the first three albums, really right up to >Spectres are (to me at >>least) timeless. > >Yeah, I once heard somebody describe it as a very >good album, but a very >bad "BOC Album". This album was where Albert's >departure was really >felt, IMHO. I also have a theory that there are >very few songs on the >album that nearly all BOC fans like. Ask any 5 >different BOC fans about >BOC, and they'll likely tell you the album is bad, >but "____" is a great >song (and "____" will be different for each of >those people). Still, I >like listening to it on ocassion (even "Beat 'em >Up" gets my foot >tapping...). > >Another theory - Club Ninja came out at a time that >BOC's popularity was >on a steep decline. Albert had left in '81, and >the band's next studio >release came out in '84 (and *Revolution By Night* >wasn't seen as a >career-reviving album by most, although it too had >it's moments). 2 >years later, without much touring by the band, and >diehard fans I think >were waiting for BOC to make a "statement" and show >that they were still >the kick-ass rockers we all knew and loved - with >those expectations, >*Club Ninja* comes off as a disappointment. But, >like others have said, >if you put aside expectations and listen to it, >you'll find that there's >some good stuff there. > >John > >PS: No BOC discussion in months, and people start >by discussing *Club >Ninja* - funny... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 15 09:01:07 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:01:07 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > The DVD's were all encoded NTSC REGION 0 > so (in theory) they should be playable > worldwide. So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? FoFP From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 15 09:21:46 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:21:46 -0500 Subject: HW: QS&C In-Reply-To: <7e287e6d05091408481967e601@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Chris Allen wrote: :Subject: HW: QS&C : :I've just spotted this on Amazon: :http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009XFEE0/qid=1126637364/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/202-0792846-0184635 : :Oooh! That's the Rock Fever bootleg, isn't it? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Sep 15 09:29:11 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:29:11 -0400 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <000201c5b976$96a2fa70$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: Quoting Tony : > It's one of those BOC albums that doesn't sound like a BOC album. Yes, I agree. I made that point. I should have been more straightforward and asked why don't people like the album *musically*, as opposed to why you don't like it as a BOC fan. > Half the > songs were written by people who previously had nothing to do with the band, See above about "music" vs. "fan". > it sounds dated and some of the songs are just plain weak. Uh, to me every BOC album has some songs that are just plain weak. Doesn't mean I don't like the album as a whole. I'll get to the "dated" comment next... > Whereas this is > dated, the first three albums, really right up to Spectres are (to me at > least) timeless. Wow! The early BOC albums *aren't* dated? You can't be serious! Whatever one's opinion of them, you mean to tell me they don't sound like they were made in the early-mid 70's? I've generally found "dated" to be one of the most irksome labels to apply to music, right up there with "pretentious" - convenient and generally meaningless cliches used most often by rock critics who can't (or in most cases simply aren't able to) think of anything to actually say about the music. Very little music *isn't* dated; music (and art in general) tends to be a product of its time. That's part of the point of art. From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 15 09:57:59 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:57:59 +0000 Subject: Off: It's arrived!! In-Reply-To: <43296b69.61fad192.66a5.3a70@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: well...after ordering in july, and getting nowhere with my complaint to amazon, who insisted that it wasnt in stock at all yet, and anyone that had a copy must have ordered it elsewhere(??!!!derr!)..i did the sensible thing....cancelled my july order and reordered it last night, along with some other cds at slow super saver free delivery...and..yup... hey presto, i get an email today to say the whole order is on it way, including TMTYL,(with dvd).THATS THE LAST TIME I PREORDER ANYTHING FROM AMAZON!!!!WHAT A COCK UP! pete ... looking forward to it..at last!!!! >From: Andrew Fergus Wilson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Off: It's arrived!! >Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:39:35 +0100 > >After pre-ordering absolutely AGES ago and waiting patiently by the post >box >for so long that the mice are nesting in my pockets that CD I've been >looking forward to for so long has finally arrived! > > > >Beautifully packaged and full of timeless classics. > > > >Planet Gong 'Floating Anarchy 1991' > > > >Bloody fantastic and one of the best Ali Babas. > > > >:-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 15 11:00:49 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:00:49 +0000 Subject: HW: QS&C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apart from Rock Fevers fiendishly unauthorised releases, which Amazon seem to think are official..anyone else noticed that a company called SUNRISE records have released Q,S,&C (with bonus live tracks)...and also PXR5...and ASAM(both with bonus live tracks).??Surely these MUST be bootlegs too as theyre only on Ebay and Amazon Marketplace??? Pete >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: QS&C >Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:21:46 -0500 > >On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Chris Allen wrote: > >:Subject: HW: QS&C >: >:I've just spotted this on Amazon: >:http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009XFEE0/qid=1126637364/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/202-0792846-0184635 >: >:Oooh! > >That's the Rock Fever bootleg, isn't it? > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Assistant Director/ENSS >University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Sep 15 11:10:09 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:09 +0200 Subject: HW: QS&C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Pete I am very sure that all HAWKWIND releases on Rock-Fever and Sunrise are bootlegs Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of pete howe Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:01 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: QS&C Apart from Rock Fevers fiendishly unauthorised releases, which Amazon seem to think are official..anyone else noticed that a company called SUNRISE records have released Q,S,&C (with bonus live tracks)...and also PXR5...and ASAM(both with bonus live tracks).??Surely these MUST be bootlegs too as theyre only on Ebay and Amazon Marketplace??? Pete >From: Arin Komins >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: QS&C >Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:21:46 -0500 > >On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Chris Allen wrote: > >:Subject: HW: QS&C >: >:I've just spotted this on Amazon: >:http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009XFEE0/qid=1126637364/sr= >2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/202-0792846-0184635 >: >:Oooh! > >That's the Rock Fever bootleg, isn't it? > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Assistant Director/ENSS >University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #307a, Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Sep 15 11:19:14 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:19:14 +0100 Subject: HW: QS&C In-Reply-To: <1EFvNN-0wNale0@fwd17.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: I'm sure Chrysalis/EMI who own that catalogue will be on the case. Can't see that any record company would allow such blatant bootlegs of officially released material. Perversely, there probably isn't a large market for these Albums and therefore unlikely to re-release them. At least that's my thinking about why they haven't already been re-released. Would be Gurt Lush if they remastered them... I'm sure ASAM & QSC would sound awesome. iain Can't see EMI bernhard.pospiech wrote on 9/15/2005, 4:10 PM: > Hi Pete > > I am very sure that all HAWKWIND releases on Rock-Fever and Sunrise are > bootlegs > > > Bernhard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of pete howe > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:01 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: QS&C > > Apart from Rock Fevers fiendishly unauthorised releases, which Amazon > seem > to think are official..anyone else noticed that a company called SUNRISE > records have released Q,S,&C (with bonus live tracks)...and also > PXR5...and > ASAM(both with bonus live tracks).??Surely these MUST be bootlegs too as > theyre only on Ebay and Amazon Marketplace??? From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Sep 15 15:27:30 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:27:30 +0200 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050915092911.mbtdog8o4gkwoowc@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Kuznick wrote: >I've generally found "dated" to be one of the most irksome labels to apply to >music, right up there with "pretentious" - convenient and generally meaningless >cliches used most often by rock critics who can't (or in most cases simply >aren't able to) think of anything to actually say about the music. Very little >music *isn't* dated; music (and art in general) tends to be a product of its >time. That's part of the point of art. > > Exactly. If you listen closely to a piece of music, and analyze it, you can date it pretty accurately. Some playing techniques, for instance, weren't used before a certain year. Or some styles weren't developed before some point in time. Timeless in this sense would mean "void from any outside influences and any new technique", more or less doing the same thing over and over again, year in, year out. I don't think I would like that very much.... "Dated" music can be very enjoyable. Space Ritual and On Your Feet are still amongst my favorites, and Bruce Dickinson (or Iron Maiden for that matter) still sounds as good as he did in the 80ies. Ah, what the hell. As long as you like it, it's OK. Gr, Arjan H From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 15 15:42:23 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:42:23 +0100 Subject: It's arrived!! Message-ID: Definitely the album of the year for me! Stunning stuff! Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fergus Wilson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Off: It's arrived!! > After pre-ordering absolutely AGES ago and waiting patiently by the post box > for so long that the mice are nesting in my pockets that CD I've been > looking forward to for so long has finally arrived! > > > > Beautifully packaged and full of timeless classics. > > > > Planet Gong 'Floating Anarchy 1991' > > > > Bloody fantastic and one of the best Ali Babas. > > > > :-) > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 15 15:52:46 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:52:46 EDT Subject: It's arrived!! Message-ID: In a message dated 15/09/2005 20:44:26 GMT Standard Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: Definitely the album of the year for me! Stunning stuff! Yes. Even my reservations about Letter To Robert are disintigrating now. Quite a week for getting CD's. Got the Rock Fever Charisma albums which completes my HW Studio Collection on CD, and ordered the Litmus CD from their site. No indication of how long that will take to be sent though, but from the clips I've heard it will be well worth it. Steve. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 15 16:07:33 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:07:33 +0100 Subject: It's arrived!! Message-ID: The Litmus CD went in the post yesterday lunchtime (14th September). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Re: It's arrived!! > In a message dated 15/09/2005 20:44:26 GMT Standard Time, > colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > Definitely the album of the year for me! Stunning stuff! > > > > Yes. Even my reservations about Letter To Robert are disintigrating now. > Quite a week for getting CD's. Got the Rock Fever Charisma albums which > completes my HW Studio Collection on CD, and ordered the Litmus CD from their > site. No indication of how long that will take to be sent though, but from the > clips I've heard it will be well worth it. > > Steve. > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Sep 15 17:13:11 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:13:11 -0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? Message-ID: Then you *still* shouldn't have a probelm, ... as long as you had permission of the copyright holder :-} (sic) > >So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? > >FoFP From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 15 18:12:06 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:12:06 EDT Subject: It's arrived!! Message-ID: In a message dated 15/09/2005 21:08:19 GMT Standard Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: The Litmus CD went in the post yesterday lunchtime (14th September). Ah. Thanks. I look forward to it. Just had to turn off my TV or I would have been watching Hawkwind all night, and I have work tomorrow. Ended up with the Taste video on. Never one of my favourites but enjoyed it tonight... wonder why? The SOTA and Psychedelic Warlords clips on the free DVD are superb! Nothing fancy, just the band recorded as they are. Bring on a full DVD of a recent or forthcoming tour soon please. It is happening now for this band, they are buzzing now! And so are we. Where can I buy a white lab coat? Steve. From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Thu Sep 15 19:19:15 2005 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:19:15 +0100 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050915092911.mbtdog8o4gkwoowc@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: If you're gonna assess the word "dated" out of context, yes you're right, but in context, is it not a perjorative term denoting the fact that the period style of the art is overwhelming the content? Surely BOC's early albums sound like they were recorded in the '70s, but is that the first thing you hear when you listen to them, the songs or the release dates? On 9/15/05, David Kuznick wrote: > > > Wow! The early BOC albums *aren't* dated? You can't be serious! Whatever > one's opinion of them, you mean to tell me they don't sound like they were > made > in the early-mid 70's? > > I've generally found "dated" to be one of the most irksome labels to apply > to > music, right up there with "pretentious" - convenient and generally > meaningless > cliches used most often by rock critics who can't (or in most cases simply > aren't able to) think of anything to actually say about the music. Very > little > music *isn't* dated; music (and art in general) tends to be a product of > its > time. That's part of the point of art. > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Sep 15 19:35:57 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:35:57 +0100 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050915092911.mbtdog8o4gkwoowc@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: David First of all, like Nick, I will also defend "Perfect Water" to the hilt. Live, it is one of my favourite songs. On Club Ninja it just sounds a bit flat. I consider myself to be a fan. I haven't seen them as many times as some (10 times in all and not all between 1985 and 2002 - call me a fan!) but I know what I like and love. BOC music was the soundtrack of my youth. Creatively, (regardless of who wrote the lyrics) their 1970s output is among the purest example of good rock music there is/was. Period. Club Ninja on the other hand sounded like a band struggling to find their muse. <> Maybe they sound like they were recorded in the early-mid 70s but the sound of the recording doesn't detract from the freshness and energy. I still get a major buzz listening to those albums today, nearly 30 years after I first heard them. <> Interesting opinion, but I don't really get your point. Is that a good or a bad thing? Dated, for me, means something which I can't listen to without context - most New Romantic music, most Hair Metal, all disco - reminds me of a period in time. Good music is timeless and IMO the first 4-5 BOC albums are just that. Tony From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 15 20:21:24 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:21:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Video collection likely? In-Reply-To: <304764770.20050915080136@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: I was really imitating Stephen Bladd when he played with fish in the Love Stinks video. I think they were palm tree leaves but I'm not sure. I know they weren't drum sticks. Hey, it was a lip-sync!;-) Al On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Warrick Bell wrote: > Hello BOC-L (and especially Al), > > Does anybody have any idea what the likelihood of a BOC video > collection is? > I'm meaning specifically the videos for the singles, any interviews > that might be around, stuff like that. I already have Live 1976 and > Long Day's Night. > > Also -- and probably Al is the only one who can answer this -- in the > Joan Crawford video it looks at one point like Al is using a couple of > small branches (all bendy and pointy) instead of proper drumsticks. > Was I seeing things? I've only seen the video once but if there's a > story behind this I'd like to hear it. > > > Thanks, > > Warrick Bell > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 16 05:31:51 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:31:51 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > Then you *still* shouldn't have a probelm, > ... as long as you had permission of the copyright holder :-} (sic) > > > > >So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? That's been settled by a Court case: It's legal to make copies of music you've bought, either for backup purposes or for listening to it elsewhere. It's a breach of copyright to sell or give such backups to others though. FoFP From coral at APORT.RU Fri Sep 16 05:51:19 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:51:19 +0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? Message-ID: But surely you can give a backup to someone to listen so that person could decide to buy albums or not?.. For example you don't want to risk a real cd (especially if it's a rarity). Copying is a very slippery subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: so are they all NTSC? > Rik Rx writes: > > > Then you *still* shouldn't have a probelm, > > ... as long as you had permission of the copyright holder :-} (sic) > > > > > > > >So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? > > That's been settled by a Court case: It's legal to make copies of music > you've bought, either for backup purposes or for listening to it > elsewhere. It's a breach of copyright to sell or give such backups to > others though. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 16 10:00:39 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:00:39 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: Alisa's message of Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:51:19 +0400 Message-ID: Alisa writes: > But surely you can give a backup to someone to listen so that person could > decide to buy albums or not?.. For example you don't want to risk a real cd > (especially if it's a rarity). Nope. That's definitely illegal under copyright law. It may even be illegal to have a bunch of your pals in to listen to the original DC, if it amounts to a "public performance". FoFP From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Sep 16 10:09:52 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:09:52 -0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? Message-ID: >>> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK 09/16/05 10:00 AM >>> Alisa writes: > But surely you can give a backup to someone to listen so that person could > decide to buy albums or not?.. For example you don't want to risk a real cd > (especially if it's a rarity). Nope. That's definitely illegal under copyright law. It may even be illegal to have a bunch of your pals in to listen to the original DC, if it amounts to a "public performance". Wouldn't it only be illegal if you charged $ for the public performance? I know bars get around this here in the US, by paying a monthly fee to ASCAP or BMI, but how they determine a way to compensate the band is beyond me... tj From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 16 11:26:27 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:26:27 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:09:52 -0400 Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Nope. That's definitely illegal under copyright law. It may even be > illegal to have a bunch of your pals in to listen to the original DC, > if > it amounts to a "public performance". > > Wouldn't it only be illegal if you charged $ for the public > performance? Seems not. > I know bars get around this here in > the US, by paying a monthly fee to ASCAP or BMI, > but how they determine a way to compensate the > band is beyond me... Here it's the industry body itself that's supposed to collect such royalties and distribute 'em as appropriate. FoFP From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Sep 16 12:08:52 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:08:52 -0400 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <7e287e6d05091516191af9838c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Quoting Chris Allen : > If you're gonna assess the word "dated" out of context, yes you're right, > but in context, is it not a perjorative term denoting the fact that the > period style of the art is overwhelming the content? I don't know, since there are a lot of interpretations of what "dated" means. And to me, the "80's" vibe doesn't "overwhelm" the content. It's totally subjective anyway, and you are also assuming that that's "bad". > Surely BOC's early albums sound like they were recorded in the '70s, but is > that the first thing you hear when you listen to them, the songs or the > release dates? That's a strawman argument, because you assume that's how I experience Club Ninja ("It's the 80's!" first, music second). -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Fri Sep 16 12:44:09 2005 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:44:09 +0100 Subject: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050916120852.ymexw0ss0ogkccwo@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 9/16/05, David Kuznick wrote: > > Quoting Chris Allen : > > > If you're gonna assess the word "dated" out of context, yes you're > right, > > but in context, is it not a perjorative term denoting the fact that the > > period style of the art is overwhelming the content? > > I don't know, since there are a lot of interpretations of what "dated" > means. > And to me, the "80's" vibe doesn't "overwhelm" the content. It's totally > subjective anyway, and you are also assuming that that's "bad". I've only ever heard the term "dated" used in a negative sense, so yes, I am assuming that. > Surely BOC's early albums sound like they were recorded in the '70s, but > is > > that the first thing you hear when you listen to them, the songs or the > > release dates? > > That's a strawman argument, because you assume that's how I experience > Club > Ninja ("It's the 80's!" first, music second). > I don't think so. I realised after posting the above that my grammar was very poor, so what I meant may have been obscured. I'm not making any assumptions about Club Ninja, your listening experiences or anything, apart from the assumption that "dated" is always used in a negative sense. Some people will listen to Record A and enjoy it for what it is, others will listen to it and not be able to get past it sounding like a record from a certain time period, and everything associated with that. It is, as you say, subjective. My only point was about the negativity & meaning of the word "dated". Is it overly revisionist to review a piece of art from the past in the context of today, thus opening the door for a reviewer to examine the cultural aspects within the piece, e.g. "I hate that synth sound, it's so dated, I'm glad people stopped using that around 1985"? From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sat Sep 17 09:22:18 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:22:18 -0400 Subject: TMTYL on the way Message-ID: I ordered the three Cd's (Single, Single, TMTYL Sp Ed) on the 11th from Amazon UK and they shipped on the 17th. (Today) Should come sometime next week. Perhaps on the 23rd - my birthday. -- M =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail; however, a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Sep 17 13:23:50 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:23:50 +0000 Subject: TMTYL on the way Message-ID: Our copy of TMTYL shipped from Amazon.co.uk yesterday (16th) Rich W > I ordered the three Cd's (Single, Single, TMTYL Sp Ed) on the 11th from > Amazon UK and they shipped on the 17th. (Today) > > Should come sometime next week. Perhaps on the 23rd - my birthday. > > -- > M > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail; however, a huge number of > electrons were horribly inconvenienced. From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 17 16:04:24 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:04:24 +0100 Subject: TMTYL on the way In-Reply-To: <432C188A.6010802@mikemontfort.com> Message-ID: Mike Montfort wrote: I ordered the three Cd's (Single, Single, TMTYL Sp Ed) on the 11th from Amazon UK and they shipped on the 17th. (Today) Should come sometime next week. Perhaps on the 23rd - my birthday. -- M That would be cool, though I guess that you would be even happier if they arrived earlier than Friday. Mark From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Sat Sep 17 17:05:16 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:05:16 -0400 Subject: TMTYL on the way In-Reply-To: <20050917200426.EACFBE0000E5@ranger.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: Truth be said you are so correct. mark von bargen wrote: > > > >That would be cool, though I guess that you would be even happier if they >arrived earlier than Friday. > >Mark > > > > > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 17 21:58:41 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:58:41 EDT Subject: TMTYL on the way Message-ID: In a message dated 9/17/2005 12:25:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET writes: Our copy of TMTYL shipped from Amazon.co.uk yesterday (16th) Got my copy in the mail today. Watched the DVD already, very good! Listening to the CD, just starting in 'Out Here We Are.' Goooooooooood!! Joe From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Sun Sep 18 06:35:08 2005 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:35:08 +0200 Subject: Don't understand Message-ID: Hi Folks, I ordered my CD at AMAZON UK in July and got it in Germany on Wednesday.... How come??? Chris From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 18 09:18:49 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:18:49 +0000 Subject: Don't understand In-Reply-To: <51091A289F4BEC4FAB25C9BBC712A208018A050F@mapibe02.exchange.xchg> Message-ID: I think Amazon have just made a big cock up , to be honest....my friend preordered in early august and he got his on the day of release.I ordered mine in July and it didnt arrive at all...When I rang them, they insisted they hadnt had stocks in, and people who had them must have got them elsewhere!!So....I then cancelled my JULY order, and reordered it(last wednesday), along with some other cds, to get the free delivery, and everything arrived on SATURDAY!! ..Im sure if id left it, id still be waiting for my JULY order to arrive! Oh and i got the DVD version still, too.... It'll be interesting to see if it dents the official charts tonight! pete >From: "Appelt, Christian" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Don't understand >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:35:08 +0200 > >Hi Folks, > > > >I ordered my CD at AMAZON UK in July and got it in Germany on Wednesday.... > >How come??? > > > >Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE Sun Sep 18 12:16:09 2005 From: christian-appelt at INFOMEDIC.DE (Appelt, Christian) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:16:09 +0200 Subject: AW: Don't understand Message-ID: Yes, I got the DVD inside too. Nice material, I really freaked out last night when I could listen to PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS with full Volume in the moonshine... On the other hand: Take me to your leader has highs and many lows.... Especially Richies vocals on DIGITAL NATION are superb (as the whole song is). Hope that you all get your album too! Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] Im Auftrag von pete howe Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 15:19 An: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Betreff: Re: Don't understand I think Amazon have just made a big cock up , to be honest....my friend preordered in early august and he got his on the day of release.I ordered mine in July and it didnt arrive at all...When I rang them, they insisted they hadnt had stocks in, and people who had them must have got them elsewhere!!So....I then cancelled my JULY order, and reordered it(last wednesday), along with some other cds, to get the free delivery, and everything arrived on SATURDAY!! ..Im sure if id left it, id still be waiting for my JULY order to arrive! Oh and i got the DVD version still, too.... It'll be interesting to see if it dents the official charts tonight! pete >From: "Appelt, Christian" >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Don't understand >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:35:08 +0200 > >Hi Folks, > > > >I ordered my CD at AMAZON UK in July and got it in Germany on Wednesday.... > >How come??? > > > >Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From multiverse.org at GMAIL.COM Sun Sep 18 19:19:01 2005 From: multiverse.org at GMAIL.COM (Moorcock's Miscellany) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:19:01 -0700 Subject: Moorcock's Miscellany Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sure some of you will remember me. My name is Berry Sizemore and I am the webmaster of Moorcock's Miscellany, formerly Moorcock's Weekly Miscellany, formerly multiverse.org , formerly Tanelorn: The City of Peace, a website dedicated to all things Moorcock. Our greatest achivement has been the evolution of the Q&A now found at http://www.multiverse.org/forums.html in our Forum section where Mike's comments and answers approach 4,000 and our archive contains 3,500. We have an abscence of Hawkwind, The Deep Fix and Moorcock information though he's been participating and the site has been around since 1996. So firstly, let me invite one and all to join us and talk about Hawkwind, The Deep Fix and Mike and share your knowledge of band members, gigs, lyrics and goings-on. I'd like to take the BOC-L archives and integrate them into our forum so that MM members can search them and extend the threads by adding off-list comments. a) Can I have permission and b) Can someone supply me with the archives in a tarball so that I can write a SQL script to plug those records into our forum? I hope to hear from someone. Many thanks, Berry Sizemore -- Visit Moorcock's Miscellany to participate in community driven projects and conversations, and read the latest news about Michael Moorcock and the up and comming Elric Saga movie. www.multiverse.org From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Sep 19 05:28:32 2005 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:28:32 +0200 Subject: HW- TMTYL Message-ID: Hej Well, the new HW and the two singles reached Danish shores last week. I have been absorbing them.. Sound is really fantastic and some really strong songs as well. You can really hear that this is Richard and Allan's CD. I really feel Dave plays a small part in this one. His guitar still sounds fantastic when there is any guitar... A very cool electronic vibe and very psychedelic.. These guys sit around and smoke a lot when they mix! I will write a full review for the mags I write for soon... 8 out of 10.... scott ObCD- Jamnation This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee(s) stated above only and may contain confidential information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorised reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may violate rights to proprietary information. If you are not an intended recipient, please return this e-mail to the sender and delete it immediately hereafter. Thank you. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Sep 19 07:53:10 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:53:10 +0000 Subject: setlist: Sloterdijk/Assassins of Silence: New York 9/17 ( One Eyed Assassins ) Message-ID: setlist: The Baggot Inn, New York city 9/17/05 Brainstorm Master of The Universe Integration Golden Void Moonglum Lord of Light Silver Machine Hurry On Sundown lineup: Kevin Perry: electric guitar/vocals ( keyboards on Golden Void) Jay Adcock: drumkit Dave Adams: bass, backing vocals Mike Burro: synths, electric guitar, vocals still too tired to comment on this one, but should mention that Dave sold his bass to a member of the audience after the show! Also special thanks to Drill for making the trip down from Boston!!! From chrisow at SHAW.CA Mon Sep 19 10:22:26 2005 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:22:26 -0400 Subject: Berry Sizemore Message-ID: I dont post all that often, but I felt I had to reply. Firstly, let me say this is MY reply and I dont pretend to speak for anyone else here, this is entirely my opinion. I posted for about 2 years on the Moorcock site then without warning my IP address and in fact most of British columbia suddenly got cut off from being able to visit the site altogether. No warnings or explanations or temporary bans no replies or technical help, nothing just total disconnection with no explanation or appeals. So be warned if you dont fit in with this persons very limited, narrow minded, intolerant, dictatorial views you will find yourselves permanently cut off from this list if it amalgamted. I would also add that I have been and remain a life long fan of Michael Moorcock's books, especially the 6 books of Corum. So you can imagine that this axxhxxx caused quite some distress, and it is well beyond my mental abilities to fathom his reasons considering what Mike Moorcock and his life long work has stood for. Chris Owen From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Sep 19 10:24:33 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:24:33 -0400 Subject: BOC at the Taste of Boston festival - Sep. 18th, 2005 Message-ID: Really good to see the guys after so long. I think the last time I saw them was with Carl and Tania (Scott I forget, did you come too?) at Hampton Beach Casino sometime around 1993 or so. Certainly before HF came out. We needed to rent a car because all I had was my 2-seater Honda CRX back then, and those starving college kids didn't have a car. :-) Setlist: The Red and the Black O.D.'d on Life Itself Burnin' for You E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) Shooting Shark Golden Age of Leather Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll Then Came the Last Days of May Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper Dominance and Submission They were playing on borrowed equipment (from Beatlejuice) as Eric claimed the van line lost their stuff (including their stage clothes!). Buck was constantly fiddling with his (borrowed) pedals, especially the delay box. Shooting Shark and Last Days of May were both fantastic in particular. Great solos. They all definitely seemed to be having fun. And yes, Castellano is an incredible bassist, and lots of fun to watch. The keyboards were buried in the mix as usual, but Alan played more guitar than keyboards. I may go down to Ridgefield, CT in January to see catch them again. If anyone was there (or has seen them recently), do you know what the intro music was? I thought it was REALLY cool. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 19 16:05:45 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:05:45 +0100 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: <4321E8DB.7060004@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 01:56:11PM -0600, Guido Vacano typed out: > > Now, to be topical (and because I'm curious :-) ), the two new Spirit of > the Age single CDs contain tracks from the upcoming album, as well as > other tracks. Are the other tracks available elsewhere, or are some or > all of them unique to these releases? Having grabbed them but not the album yet, I could be wrong, but that's always a good way to get a response in an online forum... I think `Spirit of the Age' is the only track that's on the album in the same version and even then the single version's an edit (not happy with that fade-in... but anyway). `Angela Android' is there but the single version is live, and I don't think the `Paradox' is on the album. You might think from that that you maybe don't need the first version but the two live tracks are storming. I would have said there didn't need to be any more versions of `Assassins of allah' until I heard this one, but I'll make an exception for it. > Finally, Star Nation (mentioned by StevePXR5) -- what is that? A side project of Richard Chadwick and Jerry Richards back when Jerry was still in the band, with Steve Taylor and Steve Hayes who played with HW in the States and New Zealand 1998 sort of time when Ron couldn't leave the country. There was a self-titled EP with hand-made artwork the release of which without telling Dave nearly got the two of them fired from the band, and then a full-length (including a guest appearance from Ron) called _The Silver Age_ later, after Jerry had in fact been fired or left, whichever it was. The second one's pretty good, Richard's techno edge comes through just the right amount and it's pretty intense stuff, if quite compressed in sound, in an untechnical sense--sounds like everything's coming through quite a narrow space to reach the speakers. Also, it has a pop-up picture of the band in the sleeve so obviously it's great. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _What Did For The Dinosaurs_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Sep 19 18:14:34 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:14:34 -0600 Subject: Rejoining yet again In-Reply-To: <20050919200545.GC7617@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Jon-- Bummer that I need to buy the singles AND the new album. :-) Guido obCDplayer -- _Inferno_ by Motorhead. Any opinions out there? Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Having grabbed them but not the album yet, I could be wrong, but >that's always a good way to get a response in an online forum... I think >`Spirit of the Age' is the only track that's on the album in the same >version and even then the single version's an edit (not happy with that >fade-in... but anyway). `Angela Android' is there but the single version >is live, and I don't think the `Paradox' is on the album. > > You might think from that that you maybe don't need the first >version but the two live tracks are storming. I would have said there >didn't need to be any more versions of `Assassins of allah' until I heard >this one, but I'll make an exception for it. > > > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 19 19:11:59 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:11:59 EDT Subject: Berry Sizemore Message-ID: In a message dated 9/19/2005 9:25:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time, chrisow at SHAW.CA writes: I posted for about 2 years on the Moorcock site then without warning my IP address and in fact most of British columbia suddenly got cut off from being able to visit the site altogether. No warnings or explanations or temporary bans no replies or technical help, nothing just total disconnection with no explanation or appeals. So be warned if you dont fit in with this persons very limited, narrow minded, intolerant, dictatorial views you will find yourselves permanently cut off from this list if it amalgamted. Are you 100% sure that it's Berry and not some technical problem on your end? If all of British Columbia is blocked, it sounds like the problem is on the technical end rather than the personal end. I've been posting to Moorcock's (Weekly) Miscellany for a while and have no problems at all. Joe From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Sep 20 13:46:55 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:46:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion Message-ID: Sorry if this was covered way back when; I was offlist, and looked through the archives and didn't see it discussed; apologies if I missed it. So I'd like to get both the CD and DVD. But I'm confused as it seems there are a bunch of different formats. Besides the obvious separate CD and DVD, there seems to be a 2-disc CD and DVD packaged together in a jewel box. But the track listing for the DVD (I just sw it in Tower Records) make's it look like it's missing a bunch of stuff. There also seems to be a 1-disc CD/DVD Dualdisc. I assume the DVD side is actually DVD-Audio, as opposed to video? Are the 2 true DVD versions really the same, and just mislabelled on the 2-fer? Then there ALSO seems to be a DVD-Audio version by itself; I assume that's actually not the DVD video? In good news, I happened to spot a Stalk-Forrest CD at the Newbury Comics in Burlington, MA misfiled today. I don't have it and had been looking for it last week when Newbury had a 20% off sale but didn't see it. So I decided to buy it today; it was labelled at $18.99. It rang up for $9.99! Woo-hoo! Also FINALLY rectified not having On Your Feet Or On Your Knees... -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From coral at APORT.RU Tue Sep 20 09:32:48 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:32:48 +0400 Subject: Rejoining yet again Message-ID: Is this the same as last two albums?.. > obCDplayer -- _Inferno_ by Motorhead. Any opinions out there? From chrisow at SHAW.CA Tue Sep 20 21:35:51 2005 From: chrisow at SHAW.CA (Jade man) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:35:51 -0400 Subject: Berry Sizemore Message-ID: Hi Joe, I am not going to mention this again, but I will say that I and a few others were really sick of that overbearing, egotistical guy. We would have given alot not to have put up with this guy as our host and representative for Mike Moorcock. Anyway the fact is without warning he totally shut down all the IP addresses in the 217.xxx.xxx.xxx area. Any attempt to access the site gets redirected to google.ca, even 18 months later. He also shut down access to the sister site on the same server: http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com/ - until I spoke to the administrator there who was very kind and pleased to remove the banned IP addresses. I mean look at it, right out of the blue he just pops in here and calmly announces he would like to acquire the whole list for his site. The guy is a total clown, I mean who does he think he is?!!! Like I said - 100% pure smelly asshole and he knows it. Hey maybe he needs to see a shrink to deflate his ego, but oh wait a minute I think thats what he did his degree in. Anyway sorry to spoil the flow, this will be my last response on this subject whatever the owners of this list decide to do. Go HAWKWIND - greatest rock band in the history of the Multiverse, from beginning to end!!! All Best C From mysterioso at GMAIL.COM Wed Sep 21 07:55:15 2005 From: mysterioso at GMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:55:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <20050920134655.a2uflzqcgsocskgo@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: > > Also FINALLY rectified not having On Your Feet Or On Your Knees... Never forget this moment, it will change your life! You have just purchased a copy of the most perfect live rock record in the world ever, bar none. From wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET Wed Sep 21 08:09:15 2005 From: wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:09:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <200509210900.j8L900Tc014992@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hello BOC-L, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 5:00:00 AM, David Kuznick wrote: Adp> So I'd like to get both the CD and DVD. But I'm confused as it seems there are Adp> a bunch of different formats. Besides the obvious separate CD and DVD, there Adp> seems to be a 2-disc CD and DVD packaged together in a jewel box. But the Adp> track listing for the DVD (I just sw it in Tower Records) makes it look like Adp> it's missing a bunch of stuff. There also seems to be a 1-disc CD/DVD Adp> Dualdisc. I assume the DVD side is actually DVD-Audio, as opposed to video? Adp> Are the 2 true DVD versions really the same, and just mislabelled on the 2-fer? Adp> Then there ALSO seems to be a DVD-Audio version by itself; I assume that's Adp> actually not the DVD video? I don't know about LDN in particular (though I do know that the DVD and the CD have different track listings) but I do know that a DualDisc is DVD on one side and CD on the other. The audio side isn't DVD-A and will player in a regular CD player. The DVD-Audio version will be just that: DVD-A. This will play in a DVD player or a DVD-A player but not a CD player. Hope this helps. Warrick Bell From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 21 08:17:45 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:17:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <200509210900.j8L900Te014992@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > So I'd like to get both the CD and DVD. But I'm confused as it seems there are > a bunch of different formats. Besides the obvious separate CD and DVD, there > seems to be a 2-disc CD and DVD packaged together in a jewel box. But the > track listing for the DVD (I just sw it in Tower Records) make's it look like > it's missing a bunch of stuff. Strange - without looking at it, my assumption is that it is actually the full DVD and CD packaged together, but perhaps they only listed the tracks from the CD? The DVD should definitely have additional tracks - I doubt they would have produced a scaled down DVD for this package. > There also seems to be a 1-disc CD/DVD > Dualdisc. I assume the DVD side is actually DVD-Audio, as opposed to video? I don't have experiences with Dualdiscs, but I thought they would be standard DVD (that is, with video) on one side and CD on the other. > Are the 2 true DVD versions really the same, and just mislabelled on the 2-fer? > Then there ALSO seems to be a DVD-Audio version by itself; I assume that's > actually not the DVD video? I'm not sure what the point of a DVD-audio version would be... > > In good news, I happened to spot a Stalk-Forrest CD at the Newbury Comics in > Burlington, MA misfiled today. I don't have it and had been looking for it > last week when Newbury had a 20% off sale but didn't see it. So I decided to > buy it today; it was labelled at $18.99. It rang up for $9.99! Woo-hoo! Also > FINALLY rectified not having On Your Feet Or On Your Knees... Now if that doesn't deserve a big "Whoo HOO!", I don't know what does... ;-) Enjoy! John From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 21 08:30:36 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:30:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <7e287e6d050921045569e3f4ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Quoting Chris Allen : > > > > Also FINALLY rectified not having On Your Feet Or On Your Knees... > > > Never forget this moment, it will change your life! You have just purchased > a copy of the most perfect live rock record in the world ever, bar none. Wouldn't that just "date" it, though? ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 21 09:37:17 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:37:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <43314F69.90902@mitre.org> Message-ID: Quoting John Swartz : > > So I'd like to get both the CD and DVD. But I'm confused as it seems there > are > > a bunch of different formats. Besides the obvious separate CD and DVD, > there > > seems to be a 2-disc CD and DVD packaged together in a jewel box. But the > > track listing for the DVD (I just sw it in Tower Records) make's it look > like > > it's missing a bunch of stuff. > > Strange - without looking at it, my assumption is that it is actually > the full DVD and CD packaged together, That would have been my assumption too, hence my surprise. > but perhaps they only listed the > tracks from the CD? The DVD should definitely have additional tracks - > I doubt they would have produced a scaled down DVD for this package. It would sure seem stupid. > > There also seems to be a 1-disc CD/DVD > > Dualdisc. I assume the DVD side is actually DVD-Audio, as opposed to > video? > > I don't have experiences with Dualdiscs, but I thought they would be > standard DVD (that is, with video) on one side and CD on the other. No, I don't think so. I think the DVD side is a surround mix of the CD side, possibly also including a DVD-Audio mix. I don't think it's the video. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Sep 21 12:16:30 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:16:30 -0700 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: Received TMTYL yesterday. Enjoyed the CD, have to listen it at home or in my car for a better opinion. Might try and sell a review to some of the local indie papers after I've had a couple more listens. I'd give the CD a thumbs up, though I don't know if a new "Spirit" was warranted. After seeing the DVD's concert version I think Brock sings the song better than Matthew Wright. The CD shows how Chadwick and Davey contribute. My DVD player sucks so I had to watch the DVD on our home computer. I thought the "Spirit" video was okay; it's ironic to see Brock and co. miming after hearing so much about how he detested it in the past. Matthew Wright trying to be Johnny Rotten in a lab coat. The interviews were good and the live footage was mixed between not so great sound and not so great camera work. Don't think I wasted my money. Just won't let the missus know. Been on a binge lately. Just e-bayed "Electric Teepee," "Die Losung," lots of VDGG, etc. Definitely keep the missus at bay on that front. Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 21 19:13:08 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:13:08 +0000 Subject: HW: N.I.N. In-Reply-To: <20050911212103.pwkd40k3ok8os80w@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Sorry friend! I love husker Du and have got heavelly into some N.I.N.'s.I've just discovered "Mr. Bungle"Can youtell me anything about them?I'm cerntainlly not a music fascist so I hope I havent offended>You should see my album collection.Alan >From: David Kuznick >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Off The Tracks >Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:21:03 -0400 > >Quoting alan day : > > > She's been to many a H.W. gig with me-she used to listen to > > N.I.N's.WONDERFULL! > >What's wrong with Nine Inch Nails? One can't like them and HW?? > >-- >David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu >"I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. >I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, >I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, >all the light you see, all the air you breathe." >Light and Space - THRESHOLD From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 21 19:17:54 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:17:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <20050921093717.4uh6xbksoc044k8k@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: The best option seems to be to get the DVD and rip the audio for your personal use only, of course. To have the complete show you'll need the original CD release with Astronomy and then find some friendly bootlegger to trade the show to get Joan Crawford, which appears nowhere it seems. Here are the facts. Track listing the original CD 1. Stairway To The Stars 2. Burnin' For You 3. OD'd On Life Itself 4. Dance On Stilts 5. Buck's Boogie 6. Quicklime Girl 7. Harvest Moon 8. Astronomy 9. Cities On Flame 10. Perfect Water 11. Lips In The Hills 12. Godzilla 13. Don't Fear The Reaper Track listing from the "enhanced" CD ("Last Days of May" instead "Astronomy") Track Listings Disc: 1 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. Burning for You 3. OD'd on Life Itself 4. Dance on Stilts 5. Buck's Boogie 6. Quicklime Girl 7. Harvest Moon 8. Last Days of May 9. Cities on Flame 10. Perfect Water 11. Lips in the Hills 12. Godzilla 13. Don't Fear the Reaper Disc: 2 1. Stairway to the Stars [Surround Sound] [DVD] 2. Burning for You [Surround Sound] [DVD] 3. OD'd on Life Itself [Surround Sound] [DVD] 4. Dance on Stilts [Surround Sound] [DVD] 5. Buck's Boogie [Surround Sound] [DVD] 6. Quicklime Girl [Surround Sound] [DVD] 7. Harvest Moon [Surround Sound] [DVD] 8. Last Days of May [Surround Sound] [DVD] 9. Cities on Flame [Surround Sound] [DVD] 10. Perfect Water [Surround Sound] [DVD] 11. Lips in the Hills [Surround Sound] [DVD] 12. Godzilla [Surround Sound] [DVD] 13. Don't Fear the Reaper [Surround Sound] [DVD] 14. Cities on Flame [Live Performance Video] [DVD] 15. Bonus Material [DVD] [*] DVD track listing 1. Stairway to the stars 2. Buring for you 3. Od'd on life itself 4. E.T.I. 5. Dance on stilts 6. Harvester of Eyes 7. Buck's Boogie 8. Quicklime Girl 9. Flaming Telepaths 10. Harvest moon 11. Last Days of May 12. Cities on Flame 13. M.E. 262 14. Perfect Water 15. Lips in the Hills 16. Godzilla 17. Don't fear the Reaper 18. Dominance and Submission 19. The Red and the Black Original set list from the Navy Pier, Chicago 21 June 2002 01 Stairway to the Stars 02 Burnin' For You 03 OD'd On Life Itself 04 ETI 05 Dance on Stilts 06 Harvester Of Eyes 07 Buck's Boogie 08 Quicklime Girl 09 Flaming Telepaths 10 Harvest Moon 11 Last Days Of May 12 Joan Crawford (missing from the DVD and CD) 13 Cities On Flame 14 Me262 15 Perfect Water 16 Lips in the Hills 17 Godzilla 18 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 19 Astronomy (only on the original CD release) 20 Dominance & Submission 21 The Red & The Black Tony From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Wed Sep 21 19:52:32 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:52:32 -0600 Subject: HW: N.I.N. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: alan day wrote: > Sorry friend! I love husker Du and have got heavelly into some > N.I.N.'s.I've > just discovered "Mr. Bungle"Can youtell me anything about them?I'm > cerntainlly not a music fascist so I hope I havent offended>You should > see > my album collection.Alan I'm a huge Mr. Bungle fan. Their first album is the best, IMHO. I especially like "Girls of Porn" and "My Asshole's on Fire". :-) The first album was Mike Patton's brainchild, and was produced by John Zorn (avant garde New York Jewish Jazz guy, if you're not familiar with him -- HUGE catalog ranging from boring/weird to brilliant), and I think it's Mike Patton's (vocals) first "major" recording. MP went on to front Faith No More, and has spawned several other projects, such as Fantomas, Tomahawk, etc. He's also appeared on various John Zorn recordings, and other things, such as Dillinger Escape Plan's _Irony is a Dead Scene_. Here's his wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton If you like one Mr. Bungle album, chances are you will like the others. I highly recommend anything by Fantomas or Faith No More as well, but especially _The Director's Cut_ by the former, and _Angel Dust_ by the latter. Guido P.S. Just FYI, your girlfriend or wife will probably hate all of it. :-) From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Wed Sep 21 22:28:40 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:28:40 -0600 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion Message-ID: >>>Now if that doesn't deserve a big "Whoo HOO!", I don't know what does... >>>;-) I'll second that. That album changed my life and playing along with it took my bass playing to a whole new level. Magical stuff on that disc. At times I wish it was sonically better, but then I realize that the almost "bootleg" quality adds to the magic. The next best thing to being there. Long live BOC! (and continued success to the Bouchard Bros) Brad From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Wed Sep 21 23:55:53 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:55:53 -0500 Subject: HW: N.I.N. Message-ID: Yum! Husker Du have long been a favorite of mine. John Majka > Sorry friend! I love husker Du and have got heavelly into some > N.I.N.'s.I've > just discovered "Mr. Bungle"Can youtell me anything about them?I'm > cerntainlly not a music fascist so I hope I havent offended>You should see > my album collection.Alan From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Sep 22 11:24:12 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:24:12 +0000 Subject: setlist: Sloterdijk/Assassins of Silence: New York 9/17 Message-ID: Kevin has a point about venue equipment, but I would say it's less a matter of it sucking, and more a matter of not having the proper time to get used to it etc. The sound man ( Amos ) at the Baggot is pretty accomadating, and I have to fess up, that some of the technical problems were mine. Although it may not have seemed so on stage, we did play quite loudly. I had no problems with the keyboards ( other than lack of stage volume in the monitors ), but did have many of the same troubles that plague me as a guitar player wherever I go. I had two straps, and ended up using the lousier one. My guitar nearly fell off twice during the show ( no strap locks). I managed to recover, but did most of my solos from a kneeling position etc. I also had no experience with the amp I was using, as was the case for all of us. Nonetheless, an audience tape of the first 45 minutes of the set reveals some rather spirited moments. Moonglum emerges as a particular surprise. The tape does not include, Lord Of Light, Silver Machine ( which I thought was particularly good ) or Hurry On Sundown. I thought for throwing 4 guys together from 2 different bands ( playing the music of a third ) who had never played together before, in a New York City club, with little of their own equipment it was rather good. An odd comment from another Brit in the audience ( and a member of the last band on ), which I thought might have been a bit much was, " I saw Hawkwind on the Choose Your Masques tour, and I thought you were better than they were"..Go figure? Peace, Mike From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 22 11:34:43 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:34:43 +0100 Subject: Aural Innovations: Hawkwind Interview & some Reviews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 02:49:30PM -0400, Jerry Kranitz typed out: > We?re doing a ?mini-issue? update in advance of the next full issue in > November because Scott Heller did an interview with Hawkwind that we want to > coincide with the September 12 release of the long awaited new Hawkwind CD, > Take Me To Your Leader. We?ve also got an article from Charles Van de Kree > and a handful of reviews. I guess everyone that was likely to has read it, but that interview of Scott's makes interesting reading. Dave being unsually clear about things, and interesting to see that `Angela Android' was actually derived from `Spirit of the Age', what with me only recently having spotted how nicely they dovetailed as concepts. Nice work Scott! Yours, Jon (who has just submitted his thesis after a long *long* time) -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Sep 22 13:00:08 2005 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:00:08 -0400 Subject: setlist: Sloterdijk/Assassins of Silence: New York 9/17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike! I thought you were giving up on the gig. Where did you stay? >surprise. The tape does not include, Lord Of Light, Silver Machine ( which I >thought was particularly good ) or Hurry On Sundown. I thought for throwing >4 guys together from 2 different bands ( playing the music of a third ) who >had never played together before, in a New York City club, with little of >their own equipment it was rather good. An odd comment from another Brit in >the audience ( and a member of the last band on ), which I thought might >have been a bit much was, " I saw Hawkwind on the Choose Your Masques tour, >and I thought you were better than they were"..Go figure? Nice! Sounds like a great gig. I'm really bummed I missed it. JB From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 22 16:30:39 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:30:39 +0000 Subject: HW: N.I.N. In-Reply-To: <4331F240.8080907@spiralrealm.com> Message-ID: Thanx for your info! I'll be lookig into this and had no idea M.P. had so much influence! cheers pal! Keep an eye out on how I get on as I'll more than likely more Q's......Alan >From: Guido Vacano >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: N.I.N. >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:52:32 -0600 > >alan day wrote: > >>Sorry friend! I love husker Du and have got heavelly into some >>N.I.N.'s.I've >>just discovered "Mr. Bungle"Can youtell me anything about them?I'm >>cerntainlly not a music fascist so I hope I havent offended>You should >>see >>my album collection.Alan > >I'm a huge Mr. Bungle fan. Their first album is the best, IMHO. I >especially like "Girls of Porn" and "My Asshole's on Fire". :-) The >first album was Mike Patton's brainchild, and was produced by John Zorn >(avant garde New York Jewish Jazz guy, if you're not familiar with him >-- HUGE catalog ranging from boring/weird to brilliant), and I think >it's Mike Patton's (vocals) first "major" recording. MP went on to front >Faith No More, and has spawned several other projects, such as Fantomas, >Tomahawk, etc. He's also appeared on various John Zorn recordings, and >other things, such as Dillinger Escape Plan's _Irony is a Dead Scene_. >Here's his wikipedia entry: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton > >If you like one Mr. Bungle album, chances are you will like the others. >I highly recommend anything by Fantomas or Faith No More as well, but >especially _The Director's Cut_ by the former, and _Angel Dust_ by the >latter. > >Guido > >P.S. Just FYI, your girlfriend or wife will probably hate all of it. :-) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Sep 22 16:36:37 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:36:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <000f01c5bf1d$5927bb20$6400a8c0@BRAD> Message-ID: Quoting Brad Dahl : > >>>Now if that doesn't deserve a big "Whoo HOO!", I don't know what does... > >>>;-) > > I'll second that. I actually wasn't sure if John was referring to my scoring a Stalk-Forrest CD for $10, or simply buying OYFOOYK. > That album changed my life and playing along with it took > my bass playing to a whole new level. Magical stuff on that disc. I listened to it yesterday and it's really, really good. I'm not even the biggest fan of the real early stuff, but it sounds so much better live. > At times > I wish it was sonically better, but then I realize that the almost "bootleg" > quality adds to the magic. Hmmmm.. I was actually quite impressed with the sound-quality myself (though it seemed to get a bit worse towards the end). I wonder if there are different pressings? > The next best thing to being there. Long live > BOC! (and continued success to the Bouchard Bros) Yes, and yes! I wish I could make it to the BS gig tomorrow night at the Abbey Lounge, but I don't think I can swing it. We'll see... David K. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 23 07:51:35 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:51:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <200509230900.j8N903cr026087@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Quoting Brad Dahl : > > >>>>>Now if that doesn't deserve a big "Whoo HOO!", I don't know what does... >>>>>;-) >> >>I'll second that. > > > I actually wasn't sure if John was referring to my scoring a Stalk-Forrest CD > for $10, or simply buying OYFOOYK. > Well, it could apply equally to both, but in this case I was referring to getting the SFG CD - sure, it doesn't sound exactly like BOC, but for the fan, a great collectible, and an insight into the band's formative years. But I'd also have to agree about OYFOOYK - a fantastic live album that really captured early BOC (come to think of it, listening to "Subhuman", you can hear those early psychadelic influences from the time period when the band was the Stalk-Forrest Group). Although, it was "Some Enchanted Evening" that changed my life - not necessarily because it was better, but because it was my first BOC album (I bought it from a used record store after someone told me that BOC had this song called "Godzilla" - I was a huge Godzilla fan at the time). > >>That album changed my life and playing along with it took >>my bass playing to a whole new level. Magical stuff on that disc. > > > I listened to it yesterday and it's really, really good. I'm not even the > biggest fan of the real early stuff, but it sounds so much better live. > > >>At times >>I wish it was sonically better, but then I realize that the almost "bootleg" >>quality adds to the magic. > It's a live album, that sounds, well, live. > > Hmmmm.. I was actually quite impressed with the sound-quality myself (though it > seemed to get a bit worse towards the end). I wonder if there are different > pressings? > > >> The next best thing to being there. Long live >>BOC! (and continued success to the Bouchard Bros) > > > Yes, and yes! I wish I could make it to the BS gig tomorrow night at the Abbey > Lounge, but I don't think I can swing it. We'll see... > Me too - this will be the first tBS gig in the greater Boston area I've missed. Unfortunately I've got some other family matters to attend to. Come back to Boston soon Al! John From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Sep 23 08:46:15 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <4333EC47.6000700@mitre.org> Message-ID: Quoting John Swartz : > But I'd also have to agree about OYFOOYK - a fantastic live album that > really captured early BOC (come to think of it, listening to "Subhuman", > you can hear those early psychadelic influences from the time period > when the band was the Stalk-Forrest Group). In fact I was shocked at how good Subhuman was on there. I always thought the version on ST was weak. Probably in part because I heard the "Blue Oyster Cult" song on Imaginos first (likewise I much prefer the Imaginos version of "Astronomy" to the one on ST). David K. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Sep 23 14:49:51 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:49:51 -0400 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: <200509151301.j8FD17KH016371@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 02:01:07PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: => Rik Rx writes: => => => > The DVD's were all encoded NTSC REGION 0 => > so (in theory) they should be playable => > worldwide. => => So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? The audio is encoded as a separate stream from the video, so PAL vs. NTSC is not an issue when just trying to extract the audio. Note, however, audio on DVD-Video is usually encoded at a 48 KHz sample rate, so you would have to resample to 44.1 KHz when recording it as CD audio discs for the car. It's pretty easy to do that, though. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 24 11:23:38 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:23:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: Speaking of filler... In-Reply-To: <20050914161220.usw0s80ocgw4s04o@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:12:20PM -0400, David Kuznick typed out: > I think I may have brought this up way back in my first BOC-L go-round, but why > on earth does Club Ninja get so much venom spewed at it? I REALLY like it! > Sure, some of it sounds New Wave influenced, but SO WHAT? Try throwing out > your assumption of what a BOC disc SHOULD sound like, and *listen* to it. I've done this exercise before now, and I think tune-wise it probably beats _Revolution by Night_, although there is definitely some slack stuff on there. In particular that gimmick of Buck's where he changes key upwards for the verse of `When The War Comes' robs what was building up as a monumental `Divine Wind'-like piece of all its gravitas and converts it into his usual pop, and `Madness to the Method' is just, well, weak. My main problem is however with the lyrics. A song like `Beat 'Em Up' has everything going for it, riff, hooks, the lot, and then these really really bad words make it unlistenable. I find `Shadow Warrior' and Make Rock Not War' about equally terrible for the same reason, especially since the former should be interesting and the latter's pacifist ethic is rather belied by, well, `Beat 'Em Up' and `Shadow Warrior'--I mean, make up your minds boys. And `Dancing in the Ruins' is all right except for that repeated chorus. But hey, I like `White Flags' and `Perfect Water', and it's not as if I ever switch it off halfway through once I've put it on. Just that happens quite rarely. I actually like _Revolution by Night_ more even though I will freely admit that it sounds nasty and there are some *dreadful* songs on there (though Andy Gilham and I used to argue about which they were as he will defend `Light Years of Love', which I won't, but not `Feel the Thunder', which I will, at least I can hardly not while I'll still defend Meat Loaf's `Bat Out of Hell'). But it sounds more like a BOC record, and that does matter. It's the problem I have with _Spectres_ (though I hope the eventual remaster will solve this one) and _Mirrors_ and most especially _Curse of the Hidden Mirror_, where there isn't even the material hidden under the sound to save it. They don't deliver the spinal kick of excitement that a BOC album should do. It was the greatest difficulty I had with the Brain surgeons stuff that they *didn't* sound like BOC until I managed to detune enough to work out what tBS sounded like instead and enjoy it for that. It's harder to do that with BOC especially when there is often so much else `wrong' with the episodes where they deviate from type. By contrast, I thought _Heaven Forbid_ was the genuine article just because it had the sound, even if a lot of what I say about the material on either CN or CotHM could also be said of some of that album. Only some, though. BOC loses a lot of its interest for me when it doesn't have the edgy sound to it that so much of their stuff does; but with CN there really wasn't that much else apart from the edge that makes me remember it's worth playing. and I still think it's a stronger album than CotHM. Of course these are just my opinions, and it hasn't stopped me buying them all. Yours, Jon Ob2LP: Bevis Frond - _Superseeder_ (I wish he'd do more stuff like `House of Mountains') -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Sep 26 04:59:56 2005 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:59:56 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Sep 2005 to 24 Sep 2005 (#2005-253) In-Reply-To: <200509240900.j8O903OA029252@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Quoting Automatic digest processor : > There are 3 messages totalling 131 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion (2) > 2. so are they all NTSC? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:15 -0400 > From: David Kuznick > Subject: Re: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion > > Quoting John Swartz : > > > But I'd also have to agree about OYFOOYK - a fantastic live album that > > really captured early BOC (come to think of it, listening to "Subhuman", > > you can hear those early psychadelic influences from the time period > > when the band was the Stalk-Forrest Group). > > In fact I was shocked at how good Subhuman was on there. I always thought > the > version on ST was weak. Probably in part because I heard the "Blue Oyster > Cult" song on Imaginos first (likewise I much prefer the Imaginos version of > "Astronomy" to the one on ST). > > David K. * But the best version of all is on a tape which I think Brad sent to me several years ago entitled "BOC in the West". which has a wonderful atmospheric synth break from Allan. Know the one I mean? - Mike Godwin From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Mon Sep 26 10:20:00 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <1127725196.4337b88c027b4@webmail.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M R Godwin : > > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:15 -0400 > > From: David Kuznick > > Subject: Re: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion > > In fact I was shocked at how good Subhuman was on there. I always thought > > the > > version on ST was weak. Probably in part because I heard the "Blue Oyster > > Cult" song on Imaginos first (likewise I much prefer the Imaginos version > of > > "Astronomy" to the one on ST). > > > > David K. > > * But the best version of all is on a tape which I think Brad sent to me > several > years ago entitled "BOC in the West". which has a wonderful atmospheric synth > break from Allan. Know the one I mean? No, but I'd like to hear it. Are you talking about Subhuman or Astronomy here? David K. From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 26 14:48:41 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:48:41 -0400 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Bill: Assassins of Silence, Underground Zero, Grooveweird, BubbleDubble, Modal Logic plus special guests (Huw Lloyd Langton) This Friday, Coopers,Bicester, Oxon, UK (i think its a school performance hall) Doors 7pm First band 7:15pm Link to poster http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/pu_image.asp?flyers/poster20050930.jpg More Info http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/ Map http://www.undergroundzero.co.uk/news/cooper.jpg http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=458915&y=223624&z=0&sv=OX26+4RS&st=2&pc=OX26+4RS&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 26 14:55:42 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:55:42 EDT Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: I think I'm going to have to relocate. We get nothing like this in Preston... even the Hawks don't play here now and they used to be a regular fixture. Steve. In a message dated 09/26/2005 19:51:03 GMT Standard Time, paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: Bill: Assassins of Silence, Underground Zero, Grooveweird, BubbleDubble, Modal Logic plus special guests (Huw Lloyd Langton) This Friday, Coopers,Bicester, Oxon, UK (i think its a school performance hall) Doors 7pm First band 7:15pm Link to poster http://www.assassinsofsilence.com/pu_image.asp?flyers/poster20050930.jpg From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 26 15:14:07 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:14:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <20050926102000.3z4gcgo8kswk4o0g@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: << But the best version of all is on a tape which I think Brad sent to me Several years ago entitled "BOC in the West". which has a wonderful atmospheric synth break from Allan. Know the one I mean?>> "Live In The West" beats OYFOOYK hands down, IMO. Sounds better and the playing is generally better too. There's an absolutely storming version of "Od'd On Life Itself". From ben at TMK.COM Mon Sep 26 16:02:29 2005 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:02:29 -0400 Subject: It's a boy!!! Message-ID: Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! Ben From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Sep 26 16:22:27 2005 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:22:27 -0400 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Ben Cohen wrote: > Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He > decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this > morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 > inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! Congratulations Ben! Obcd:Manuel Gottsching: The Private Tapes From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 26 16:29:12 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:29:12 +0100 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Congratulations to you both. Sounds like little Zachary Joseph didn't need to do any more "inside growing"! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ben Cohen Sent: 26 September 2005 21:02 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: It's a boy!!! Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! Ben From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Sep 26 16:37:40 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:37:40 +0200 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben Congratulations to you and your wife Cheers Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ben Cohen Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: It's a boy!!! Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! Ben From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 26 16:56:08 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Just come on down! said in a Leslie Crowther voice All it will cost ya is petrol and ?4.50, camping is free. If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will buy you a beer.. From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 26 16:56:58 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:56:58 -0400 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Just come on down! said in a Leslie Crowther voice All it will cost ya is petrol and ?4.50, camping is free. If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will buy you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 26 17:32:03 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:32:03 +0100 Subject: It's a boy!!! Message-ID: Excellent news - you haven't been playing "Out here we are" in close proximity to your good lady wife recently have you? or "Born to go" Anyway, all the best, if you were a tad more local I'd treat you to an Ardbeg........... Cheers Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cohen" To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: It's a boy!!! > Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He > decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this > morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 > inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! > > Ben > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 26 17:32:52 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:32:52 +0100 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: > Just come on down! said in a Leslie Crowther voice > > All it will cost ya is petrol and ?4.50, camping is free. > > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will buy > you a beer.. That sounds good............. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 26 17:33:44 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:33:44 +0100 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: > Just come on down! said in a Leslie Crowther voice > > All it will cost ya is petrol and ?4.50, camping is free. > > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will buy > you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) Bugger - that doesn't sound so good............ Name change coming on................. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 From nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM Mon Sep 26 17:32:48 2005 From: nycademon at SPIRALREALM.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:32:48 -0600 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Ben! I only have 1, and he was born 16 months ago. Guido Ben Cohen wrote: >Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He >decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this >morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 >inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! > >Ben > > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 26 17:33:36 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:33:36 EDT Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Sounds OK to me. Steve. In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:32:53 GMT Standard Time, neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will buy > you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) Bugger - that doesn't sound so good............ Name change coming on................. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 26 17:35:32 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:35:32 EDT Subject: It's a boy!!! Message-ID: Congratulations Ben. Steve. In a message dated 09/26/2005 21:04:07 GMT Standard Time, ben at TMK.COM writes: Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! Ben From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 26 17:37:34 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:37:34 +0100 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: I suspect a little bias in your viewpoint ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: A spacerock spectacular > Sounds OK to me. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:32:53 GMT Standard Time, > neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will > buy > > you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) > > Bugger - that doesn't sound so good............ > > Name change coming on................. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 26 17:39:12 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:39:12 EDT Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Never :-) In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:36:26 GMT Standard Time, neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: I suspect a little bias in your viewpoint ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: A spacerock spectacular > Sounds OK to me. > > Steve. > > In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:32:53 GMT Standard Time, > neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i will > buy > > you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) > > Bugger - that doesn't sound so good............ > > Name change coming on................. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 26 17:46:02 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:46:02 +0100 Subject: A spacerock spectacular Message-ID: Are you sure? I must be mistaken then ;- ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: A spacerock spectacular > Never :-) > > In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:36:26 GMT Standard Time, > neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > I suspect a little bias in your viewpoint > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: A spacerock spectacular > > > > Sounds OK to me. > > > > Steve. > > > > In a message dated 09/26/2005 22:32:53 GMT Standard Time, > > neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > > > > If you turn up and work out who i am ( with no help from others) i > will > > buy > > > you a beer.. (this only applies to StevePXR5 !!!!!!!) > > > > Bugger - that doesn't sound so good............ > > > > Name change coming on................. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Sep 26 18:30:10 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:30:10 -0400 Subject: It's a boy!!! Message-ID: Ben wrote: > Zachary Joseph was born this > morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. Congratulations, Ben! With two children, now you'll really have to be a great moderator. ;-) Brian From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Sep 26 20:15:36 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:15:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <001001c5c2ce$77b79a60$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: At 03:14 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: ><< But the best version of all is on a tape which I think Brad sent to me >Several years ago entitled "BOC in the West". which has a wonderful >atmospheric synth break from Allan. Know the one I mean?>> > >"Live In The West" beats OYFOOYK hands down, IMO. Sounds better and the >playing is generally better too. There's an absolutely storming version of >"Od'd On Life Itself". Is Live In the West = the George G. compliation of live tracks (of which the ODd on Life Itself & 7 screaming Dizbusters are on T&M remastered)? My hope is the remaining tracks would find themselves on the remastered OYF,... whenever that might happen. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Sep 26 20:33:50 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:33:50 +0100 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20050926201309.021cb920@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: <> Yes, it's from the same source. 3-8 July 1975 NW/California tour. I think it's unlikely the rest will appear but who knows. Sam Judd (the former BOC roadie) writes a tiny bit about it over on Hot Rails To Hull. http://www.hotrails.co.uk/blueskybag/samjudd/index.htm Tony From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Sep 27 00:47:50 2005 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:47:50 -0600 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Congratulations, Ben. Please accept good vibes & hug them both for me! Pam Ben Cohen wrote: >Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He >decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this >morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 >inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! > >Ben > > > > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 27 10:50:13 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:50:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: Colour Haze & Los Natas; Euro dates incl. UK Message-ID: Hey Folks...a couple excellent stoner/psych bands making the rounds soon, Colour Haze from Munich and Los Natas from Argentina. Check 'em out if you're in the area. Grakkl more info at www.elektrohasch.de Colour Haze Thu. 29.9. - B, Diest, Den Hemel with Josiah + Titty Twister Fr. 30.9. - UK, Brighton, The Freebut with Josiah + Gorilla Sat. 1.10. - UK, London, The Hope and Anchor, Islington with Josiah + Gorilla Su. 2.10. - NL, Den Helder, De Engel Mo. 3.10. - GER, Hamburg, Molotow Thu. 6.10. - S, Stockholm, Pub Anchor Fr. 7.10. - S, Link?ping, The Rock Sat. 8.10. - DK, Kopenhagen, Loppen Christania Sat. 29.10. - GER, M?nchen, Kafe Kult + Los Natas + Monkey3 Fr. 9.12. - GER, Jena, Rosenkeller Sat. 10.12. - GER, Bayreuth tbc www.colourhaze.de Los Natas Su. 9.10. F - Paris, Confluences club (salle de concert) + Djs psychodelic trance Mo 10.10. F - Paris, P?niche "Alternat" + Loading Data Wed. 12.10. E - Santander Sala D'Manu + Positiva + Amon Ra + Cordura Thu. 13.10. E - Madrid, Sala Silikona + Glow + Fungus Fr. 14.10 E - Gijon, Club Bola 8 + Amon Ra Sat. 15.10. E - Barakaldo, Edaska Club + Elfo Negro + Positiva Su. 16.10. E - Irun, Sala Tunk! + Moho Tue. 18.10. NL - Den Helder, De Engel Wed. 19.10. B - Antwerp, Scheld'apen + Hypnos 69 Thu. 20.10. NL - Tilburg, 013 Popcentrum + Acid King Fr. 21.10. UK - London, Southern K + The Bendal Interlude + Jecano Sat. 22.10. UK - Liverpool, The Vines Ballroom + The Bendal Interlude + The Human Fly + Part Chimp Mo 24.10. B - Leuven, Paradox + Cabron Tue. 25.10. F - Strasbourg, Molodoi + Hielo Negro Wed. 26.10. CH - Geneve, L' Usine Thu. 27.10. CH - Ins (near Biel), Schuexenhaus + Hielo Negro Fr. 28.10. tba Sat. 29.10. GER - Munich, Kafe Kult + Colour Haze + Monkey3 Su. 30.10. A - Vienna, Club, Haus Panorama www.losnatas.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 27 11:07:46 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:07:46 -0700 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD In-Reply-To: <20050927145013.90235.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey again... Ha! Here I went and made Kris bring me a TMTYL promo CD to Off the Tracks 'cause I was sure my copy went to my defunct address in CH. (I was sure I changed my details on the passport page at hawkwind.com, but...) And now here I am back in Columbus, OH and there's now a second one here waiting for me. Komisch. Anyway, now I've got an extra, and according to protocol, must offer it to someone on the list who hasn't already got one. Please email directly. First one wins. Have a nice day...Grakkl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 27 11:43:58 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:43:58 -0700 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD In-Reply-To: <20050927150746.94006.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote:Hey again... Ha! Here I went and made Kris bring me a TMTYL promo CD to Off the Tracks 'cause I was sure my copy went to my defunct address in CH. (I was sure I changed my details on the passport page at hawkwind.com, but...) And now here I am back in Columbus, OH and there's now a second one here waiting for me. Komisch. Anyway, now I've got an extra, and according to protocol, must offer it to someone on the list who hasn't already got one. Please email directly. First one wins. Have a nice day...Grakkl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 27 11:44:45 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:44:45 -0700 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed In-Reply-To: <20050927150746.94006.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: see subject header...thanks for playing. Grakkl Keith Henderson wrote: Hey again... Ha! Here I went and made Kris bring me a TMTYL promo CD to Off the Tracks 'cause I was sure my copy went to my defunct address in CH. (I was sure I changed my details on the passport page at hawkwind.com, but...) And now here I am back in Columbus, OH and there's now a second one here waiting for me. Komisch. Anyway, now I've got an extra, and according to protocol, must offer it to someone on the list who hasn't already got one. Please email directly. First one wins. Have a nice day...Grakkl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 27 15:42:29 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:42:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE In-Reply-To: <20050927154446.60494.qmail@web51802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I too have chanced upon an extra promo cd in the last few days. Anybody want it? Email ME not the list. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson Sent: 27 September 2005 16:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed see subject header...thanks for playing. Grakkl From Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM Tue Sep 27 17:35:48 2005 From: Digitalhaunting at AOL.COM (Ian Kershaw) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:35:48 EDT Subject: WOTEOT/Rock-Fever? Message-ID: Hi While on holiday last week. We called in at the port of Barcelona, While there I decided I couldn't wait to get home to hear TMTYL, so I went to find a record shop, found one, & to my surprise they had quiet a few Hawkwind CD's, anyway I got my TMTYL to play on the back on the ship. I also bought Warrior On The Edge Of Time. I've read a couple of e-mail's regarding Rock-Fever, when I bought the CD it was still wrapped-up in film, the covers spot on, & the disk its self seems professionally done. On the back at the bottom, under the bar code, is "Made under License from RIDGETOP MUSIC". Copy Right 2001. Rock Fever Music, Baumstrabe 10,22175 Hamburg, Germany. I hope its not a fake, but it only cost 17.99 euro, anyway, & the bonus tracks, Motorhead, which is different to the one I've heard before, without Simon on the Violin, & Kings of Speed, live instrumental, are excellent. Ian. PS, TMTYL is the best Hawkwind album in the last decade at least, the DVD great too!! Great Stuff lads. From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Sep 27 17:56:28 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:56:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE Message-ID: *sigh* I'll probably be buying one off of Ebay since I still have yet to receive one, after 3 separate tries (two with HW and one with another party). John Majka >I too have chanced upon an extra promo cd in the last few days. > Anybody want it? > Email ME not the list. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Keith Henderson > Sent: 27 September 2005 16:45 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed > > see subject header...thanks for playing. Grakkl From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 27 18:00:26 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:00:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE In-Reply-To: <001001c5c3ae$5030fa00$6901a8c0@MAJKA> Message-ID: John Do You want it? Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of John Majka Sent: 27 September 2005 22:56 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE *sigh* I'll probably be buying one off of Ebay since I still have yet to receive one, after 3 separate tries (two with HW and one with another party). John Majka >I too have chanced upon an extra promo cd in the last few days. > Anybody want it? > Email ME not the list. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Keith Henderson > Sent: 27 September 2005 16:45 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed > > see subject header...thanks for playing. Grakkl From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 27 18:08:26 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:08:26 EDT Subject: It's a boy!!! Message-ID: Faboooo! :) Congrats all around!!! Joe From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Tue Sep 27 21:05:26 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:05:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE Message-ID: OK twist my arm ;-). Yeah I'll take it. Email me offlist for my address etc. jmajk at indy.rr.com John Majka > John > > Do You want it? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of John Majka > Sent: 27 September 2005 22:56 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed BUT ANOTHER ONE IS NOW AVAILABLE > > *sigh* I'll probably be buying one off of Ebay since I still have yet to > receive one, after 3 separate tries (two with HW and one with another > party). > > John Majka > >>I too have chanced upon an extra promo cd in the last few days. >> Anybody want it? >> Email ME not the list. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >> Behalf Of Keith Henderson >> Sent: 27 September 2005 16:45 >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD..claimed >> >> see subject header...thanks for playing. Grakkl From mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM Tue Sep 27 22:19:06 2005 From: mike at MIKEMONTFORT.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:19:06 -0400 Subject: (Found on another group )FWD: First band From Outer Space Message-ID: Maybe something for the heavy spacerocker.... FIRST BAND FROM OUTER SPACE - We're only in it for the spacerock CD Debut album from Swedish gang, and this is something out of this world ! A band where you find influences going from the sounds of GONG and HAWKWIND to kraut / hippy feelings of TRAD, GRAS & STENAR and adding flutes and oscillators. This is a CD that carry long instrumental jams, broken by sci-fi stories in English vocals. Always very structured, with plenty stoned and psychedelic cosmic sounds. For more information, please check : http://www.fbfos.com/ http://www.recordheaven.net All the best, Johnny & Record Heaven. From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Sep 27 22:24:53 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:24:53 -0700 Subject: BOC: Long Day's Night version confusion In-Reply-To: <001001c5c2ce$77b79a60$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: How can someone find a copy of "Live in the West?" --- Tony wrote: > << But the best version of all is on a tape which I > think Brad sent to me > Several years ago entitled "BOC in the West". which > has a wonderful > atmospheric synth break from Allan. Know the one I > mean?>> > > "Live In The West" beats OYFOOYK hands down, IMO. > Sounds better and the > playing is generally better too. There's an > absolutely storming version of > "Od'd On Life Itself". > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 28 06:22:11 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:22:11 +0100 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 02:01:07PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > => Rik Rx writes: > => > => > => > The DVD's were all encoded NTSC REGION 0 > => > so (in theory) they should be playable > => > worldwide. > => > => So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? > > The audio is encoded as a separate stream from the video, so PAL > vs. NTSC is not an issue when just trying to extract the audio. Note, > however, audio on DVD-Video is usually encoded at a 48 KHz sample > rate, so you would have to resample to 44.1 KHz when recording it as > CD audio discs for the car. It's pretty easy to do that, though. Is there some fancy program to do this digitally or do I need to feed it down a wire and rerecord it? Thanks FoFP From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Wed Sep 28 07:12:48 2005 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:12:48 +0200 Subject: so are they all NTSC? In-Reply-To: <200509281022.j8SAMBGG007612@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 11:22 Wed 28 Sep , M Holmes wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 02:01:07PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > => Rik Rx writes: > > => > > => > > => > The DVD's were all encoded NTSC REGION 0 > > => > so (in theory) they should be playable > > => > worldwide. > > => > > => So if we wanted to get the music copied digitally to CD for the car? > > > > The audio is encoded as a separate stream from the video, so PAL > > vs. NTSC is not an issue when just trying to extract the audio. Note, > > however, audio on DVD-Video is usually encoded at a 48 KHz sample > > rate, so you would have to resample to 44.1 KHz when recording it as > > CD audio discs for the car. It's pretty easy to do that, though. > > Is there some fancy program to do this digitally or do I need to feed it > down a wire and rerecord it? Ok, I've got it figured. I'm on a Linux box and used mplayer - http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ The command I used goes like mplayer -vo null -af resample=44100:0:1 -ao pcm:file=right_to_decide.wav vts_07_1.vob (in one line) with -vo null meaning no video output -af resample=44100:0:1 being the resampling bit -ao pcm:file= and you put the filename here, obviously vts_whatever the track I copied the whole disc over to the harddrive, but I guess it should work directly off the DVD. Just go into it and find those vob files. -- Roy From des at EFALKMEDIA.COM Wed Sep 28 08:50:28 2005 From: des at EFALKMEDIA.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:50:28 -0400 Subject: It's a boy!!! In-Reply-To: <20050926200229.GB954@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: Mazel Tov! Monday, September 26, 2005, 4:02:29 PM, you wrote: BC> Although I don't think anyone knew - my wife and I were expecting #2. He BC> decided to come a bit early (by 9 days) and, so, Zachary Joseph was born this BC> morning at 8:32 AM Eastern time. At birth, he weighed 8 pounds even and was 21 BC> inches long. Both mother and baby are doing great! BC> Ben --Eric ---------------------------- Rise to claim Saturn- Ring and Sky From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Sep 28 16:12:23 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:12:23 +0100 Subject: (Found on another group )FWD: First band From Outer Space Message-ID: In stock in a day or two at CDS if anyone wants a copy - and it is excellent - a track will appear on the new edition of Psytrax, too.It's good space -rock with long tracks and lots of jamming. Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Montfort To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:19 AM Subject: (Found on another group )FWD: First band From Outer Space > Maybe something for the heavy spacerocker.... > > FIRST BAND FROM OUTER SPACE - We're only in it for the spacerock CD > > Debut album from Swedish gang, and this is something out of this world ! A > band where you find influences going from the sounds of GONG and HAWKWIND to > kraut / hippy feelings of TRAD, GRAS & STENAR and adding flutes and > oscillators. This is a CD that carry long instrumental jams, broken by > sci-fi stories in English vocals. Always very structured, with plenty stoned > and psychedelic cosmic sounds. > > For more information, please check : > > http://www.fbfos.com/ > > http://www.recordheaven.net > > All the best, Johnny & Record Heaven.