From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 1 15:45:11 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:45:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Underground Zero & Litmus Message-ID: Following their triumphant return at last night's Space Rock Spectacular, this is a reminder that Underground Zero can be seen again this Friday (7th October) at the Standard Music Venue in Walthamstow(http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk), where they will be playing on the same bill as Litmus. So that should be a gentle, quiet night then! Colin From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Oct 1 17:31:26 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:31:26 EDT Subject: OFF: The Yankees Win Message-ID: The Bronx Bombers just won the AL East pennant...Bosox might not even get a wildcard slot...what a pity. Just goes to prove, there was never a curse, Boston just SUCKS!! nyuk nyuk nyuk...Eat your hearts out Met fans Bill Stewart From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Oct 1 21:50:45 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:50:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Yankees Win Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > The Bronx Bombers just won the AL East pennant...Bosox might not even get a > wildcard slot...what a pity. Just goes to prove, there was never a curse, > Boston just SUCKS!! nyuk nyuk nyuk...Eat your hearts out Met fans I'm no Red Sox fan (or Met fan), but I am SICK of the Yankees. Here's to Chicago winning the World Series for the first time in 88 years! Hey, if Boston could shake off the curse of the Bambino, maybe Chicago can finally get past the Black Sox scandal.... Brian From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 1 23:55:54 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:55:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Yankees Win In-Reply-To: <200510020150.j921ojEQ001956@mail21.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: At the rate they're going that is a long shot indeed. Al On Oct 1, 2005, at 9:50 PM, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: > Bill Stewart wrote: >> The Bronx Bombers just won the AL East pennant...Bosox might not even >> get a >> wildcard slot...what a pity. Just goes to prove, there was never a >> curse, >> Boston just SUCKS!! nyuk nyuk nyuk...Eat your hearts out Met fans > > I'm no Red Sox fan (or Met fan), but I am SICK of the Yankees. Here's > to Chicago winning the World Series for the first time in 88 years! > > Hey, if Boston could shake off the curse of the Bambino, maybe Chicago > can finally get past the Black Sox scandal.... > > Brian > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 2 07:10:52 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 07:10:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Radio Shows & Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com October 2, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES I?m back from vacation and my batteries are recharged!! Lots of radio shows coming up!! We've just uploaded new shows from The Kozmik Ken Experience (October 2005) and Tapegerm Radio (show #4). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock the past couple weeks are the latest volume in The Vegetable Man Project series, with bands from around the world doing their own, and often unique, covers of this old Pink Floyd song. I?ve got the CD & LP versions of Purple Overdose?s ?Painting the Air? (rarities & unreleased tracks). I?ve restocked several copies of Architectural Metaphor?s Other Music, which sold so well last year. And finally, Mushroom is always a favorite so I?ve restocked several of their titles, plus I?ve got a couple Mushroom related titles ? Om Trio and Dipstick. I just got confirmation that the debut CD from First Band From Outer Space is on it?s way, as is the new Spacious Mind live disc. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store The Kozmik Ken Experience (October 2005) (Space Rock & Psychedelia) Alien Dream - -"This is Paradise" (from Lucid Dream) The Future Kings of England - "Lilly Lockwood" (from The Future Kings of England) Day Shift - "The Happy Elephant" (from Imaginary Menagerie) Hypnos 69 - "The Intrigue of Perception" (from The Intrigue of Perception) Space Ritual - "Born to Go" (from Live at the Venusian Electric Ballroom) King Bathmat - "Illuminous Pups" (from Fantastic Freakshow Carnival) Mandog - "#0215" (from Tryptaphonic Mind Explosion) Karma Pilot - "The Last Place on Earth" (from Between the Darkness and the Morninglight) Masters Apprentices - "Our Friend Owsley Stanley 3" (from Choice Cuts) Earthling Society - "Black Witch" (from Albion) Octopus - "Rainchild" (from Restless Night) Omnia Opera - "The Awakened" (from Omnia Opera) Tapegerm Radio (show #4) Tapegerm was started in May 2000 by a few folks who were making mixes of loops taken from old cassette tape albums, homemade tracks, and loops of our own for a new project being run at http://homemademusic.com. After a few months a few of us thought it would be cool to start collaborating together by dropping our loops into a pool shared by everyone in the group and see what kind of music came out. Basically we're a bunch of artists who have fun combining sounds in different ways and hearing how other artists combine those sounds in other ways. Visit our web site at http://tapegerm.com hebephrenic - Girls" Blind Mime Ensemble - Eleven Arthur Loves Plastic - Breakdown Jeff Davis and the Beauregards - Jeff Davis Arrives Magical Cigarette - Simon David Alexander McDonald - Industrial Skating Virus Factory - That's It, I Quit Heuristics Inc. - That's good... No, that's bad! Electroearwig - Son of sam atari buford - possession Pablos Pub - 300 miles Omnitechnomatrix - The Cane - Category 4 MX Shell - 24 Skidoo CYSTEM - Mother Plucker International Garbageman - Cohors tumultuaria Insecta Sonic - A Fugue for 23 Freaks DJ Get Yo Fat On - Meatwad,Carl,and Monster...WHAT A RIDE! Pixel Rider - Fusion roughneck David Fuglewicz - The Noise At The Back Of My Head Mental Anguish - Red Eclipse Buzzsaw & The Shavings - The Stasi Takes Walter Ulbricht for a Walk Anti - Gravity Workshop - Dry Ice D. Howse - World War III Tesai - One Arm Swordsman Jim Tyrrell - Resolve http://Aural-Innovations.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 2 20:14:08 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:14:08 +0000 Subject: TMTYL?HEADPHONES!!! In-Reply-To: <43271C48.6090401@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: This is great on headphones...so many layers>There hasn't been much comment on the album and I haven't seen any press reviews.AT the mo. it's "to love a machine" and "TMTYL" (gr8 line about long weekends of......) "A.A" and "out here" and not forgeting Richard's "Digital Nation" which should be in the download charts,welll catchy!Yours,Alan. >From: Alan Taylor >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Harmony vocals on Angela Android? >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:36:56 +0100 > >nope, ain't there. It goes a bit strange with Lene at the end then >fades. > >Josh Schwartz wrote: > >>Can somebody who has the album already tell me if the studio version >>includes the harmony vocals at the end of the song? The live version on >>the SOTA >>did not include them, but I have heard more recent live versions that >>added a >>great harmony vocal part at the end that really made the song for me. >>Thanks! >> >>-Josh >>(Still waiting for the album over here in the U.S.A.) >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/100 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Oct 3 02:20:28 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:20:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Harvey Bainbridge October 8 Message-ID: So is anyone else seeing Harvey in Bloomington, IN on October 8? John Majka From chip at PCC.COM Mon Oct 3 16:35:50 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:35:50 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC Message-ID: http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/1430 Apologies if this is a repeat. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 3 16:36:46 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:36:46 +0100 Subject: judge trev - doom folk evening Message-ID: To anyone with even a smattering of knowledge it must be clear that the end of civilisation as we know it is imminent - so why not celebrate this milestone in mankind's destiny - here: Doom Folk Evening On Friday 7th October Judge Trev (inner City Unit) and Jaki Windmill (Space Ritual) are to play The RMA Tavern, Cromwell Street, Portsmouth, UK. Here's a map http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/35181/Portsmouth/RMA+Tavern.html Free entry. The chances of a beer drinking guest harmonica player (Kev from the Acousticats) is very high. To check on other Judge Trev gigs: AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com to be removed from realfestivalmusic updates reply with "unsubscribe" From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Oct 3 16:48:45 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:48:45 +0100 Subject: judge trev - doom folk evening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aww, Trev, can't you do it on the 6th, I'm out of Portsmouth on the 7th! For those who may travel, be aware that the RMA is not exactly convenient for parking unless you are willing to risk the seafront on a Friday night! On 3 Oct 2005, at 21:36, trev wrote: > To anyone with even a smattering of knowledge it must be clear that > the end of civilisation as we know it is imminent - so why not > celebrate this milestone in mankind's destiny - here: > > Doom Folk Evening > > On Friday 7th October Judge Trev (inner City Unit) and Jaki > Windmill (Space Ritual) are to play The RMA Tavern, Cromwell > Street, Portsmouth, UK. Here's a map > http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/35181/Portsmouth/RMA+Tavern.html > Free entry. The chances of a beer drinking guest harmonica player > (Kev from the Acousticats) is very high. > > To check on other Judge Trev gigs: > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR > CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH > HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH > MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE > WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com > > to be removed from realfestivalmusic updates reply with "unsubscribe" > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Oct 3 17:39:24 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:39:24 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051003203550.GC205670@pcc.com> Message-ID: Julian Cope is clearly a man of impeccable taste. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chip Hart Sent: 03 October 2005 21:36 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Julian Cope on BOC http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/1430 Apologies if this is a repeat. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 3 17:40:10 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:40:10 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051003203550.GC205670@pcc.com> Message-ID: Is that THE Julian Cope? Boy, he sure is on Pearlman's dick. I wonder where he got all his "facts" from. He has some footnotes that make it seem all scholarly but much of the history is garbled. He criticizes the band for not knowing what the songs mean and then gets the meaning of many of them all wrong himself. Pearlman would always refuse to explain his lyrics to the band or anyone else, feeling that whatever interpretation someone could come up with was likely to be as good or better than the one he intended. I think Mr. Cope has just illustrated his point. Al PS I quite like Julian Cope's stuff. Who'd have known he was into BOC. On Oct 3, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Chip Hart wrote: > http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/1430 > > Apologies if this is a repeat. > > -- > Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got > Smarter. > Your Practice Just Got Healthier. > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Mon Oct 3 17:51:51 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:51:51 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Albert, yes it's The Julian Cope. Several years ago, "Secret Treaties" was his album of the month but I don't recall him writing such an "informative" review. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Albert Bouchard Sent: 03 October 2005 22:40 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Julian Cope on BOC Is that THE Julian Cope? Boy, he sure is on Pearlman's dick. I wonder where he got all his "facts" from. He has some footnotes that make it seem all scholarly but much of the history is garbled. He criticizes the band for not knowing what the songs mean and then gets the meaning of many of them all wrong himself. Pearlman would always refuse to explain his lyrics to the band or anyone else, feeling that whatever interpretation someone could come up with was likely to be as good or better than the one he intended. I think Mr. Cope has just illustrated his point. Al PS I quite like Julian Cope's stuff. Who'd have known he was into BOC. On Oct 3, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Chip Hart wrote: > http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/1430 > > Apologies if this is a repeat. > > -- > Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got > Smarter. > Your Practice Just Got Healthier. > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 3 18:37:50 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:37:50 +0100 Subject: judge trev - doom folk evening Message-ID: AND WHO IS NOT WILLING TO RISK? - NONE HERE !- AHAAAAAAAAAARRRR ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenhalgh" To: Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: judge trev - doom folk evening > Aww, Trev, can't you do it on the 6th, I'm out of Portsmouth on the 7th! > > For those who may travel, be aware that the RMA is not exactly > convenient for parking unless you are willing to risk the seafront on > a Friday night! > > > On 3 Oct 2005, at 21:36, trev wrote: > >> To anyone with even a smattering of knowledge it must be clear that >> the end of civilisation as we know it is imminent - so why not >> celebrate this milestone in mankind's destiny - here: >> >> Doom Folk Evening >> >> On Friday 7th October Judge Trev (inner City Unit) and Jaki >> Windmill (Space Ritual) are to play The RMA Tavern, Cromwell >> Street, Portsmouth, UK. Here's a map >> http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/35181/Portsmouth/RMA+Tavern.html >> Free entry. The chances of a beer drinking guest harmonica player >> (Kev from the Acousticats) is very high. >> >> To check on other Judge Trev gigs: >> >> AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR >> CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH >> HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH >> MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE >> WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com >> >> to be removed from realfestivalmusic updates reply with "unsubscribe" >> > From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 3 18:58:25 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:58:25 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Julian Cope is one complex guy, well and truly screwed up at times by his copious intake of various narcotics and, yes, it is THE Julian Cope. He lives in his own world and plays the role of anti-fan to some effect as seen by his commentary on Hawkwind on this review of the Litmus album, You Are Here http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/1240 In fact his Head Heritage site http://www.headheritage.co.uk is a wonderful compendium of the strange world of psychedelics and beyond and he does give space to a number of contributors who are well worth reading. He was an absolute head-case on the Liverpool scene at the time of his greatest commercial success with his group Teardrop Explodes. His biggest solo success was with a song called World Shut Your Mouth - and he really meant it Aural Innovations offer an excellent overview of Cope's own work post Teardrop Explodes at http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue23/jcope02.html Any praise from Cope is worthwhile as it is a pretty rare event :-) Mark Albert Bouchard wrote on 03 October 2005 22:40 Subject: Re: Julian Cope on BOC Is that THE Julian Cope? Boy, he sure is on Pearlman's dick. I wonder where he got all his "facts" from. He has some footnotes that make it seem all scholarly but much of the history is garbled. He criticizes the band for not knowing what the songs mean and then gets the meaning of many of them all wrong himself. Pearlman would always refuse to explain his lyrics to the band or anyone else, feeling that whatever interpretation someone could come up with was likely to be as good or better than the one he intended. I think Mr. Cope has just illustrated his point. Al PS I quite like Julian Cope's stuff. Who'd have known he was into BOC. On Oct 3, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Chip Hart wrote: > http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/1430 > > Apologies if this is a repeat. > > -- > Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got > Smarter. > Your Practice Just Got Healthier. > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 4 05:17:54 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <003301c5c86d$f6c2a8f0$5701d255@HouseComputer> Message-ID: On 03/10/2005 23:58, mark von bargen wrote: > Julian Cope is one complex guy, well and truly screwed up at times by his > copious intake of various narcotics and, yes, it is THE Julian Cope. He > lives in his own world and plays the role of anti-fan to some effect as seen > by his commentary on Hawkwind on this review of the Litmus album, You Are > Here > http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/1240 Heh, though in this article I was struck by his observation that "This lot are one of the biggest up?n?coming festival bands whose muse is not in someway informed by the horrendous GAZEUSE-period Gong, which is in every way a real result for rock?n?roll", since I've often been bemused at festivals by bands claiming to be "spacerock" but whose music turns out to be some kind of weird acid-casualty sub-jazz with the all blanga of Debbie Gibson and about half the balls. Or less .... But that could be just me :) As for BOC, the good Mr. Cope seems to be trying to say "I like a lot of that stuff, but not all of it, and I wish I liked more of it, or that there was more I liked, or something, but since that's not enough to fill this web page (what is?) I'd best go off on a rant about ... stuff!" :) Cheers, Carl ps - good one for Litmus, not being informed by horrendous GAZEUSE-period Gong :) pps - Hey, Al, when's the new Brain Surgeons disc coming out? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From chip at PCC.COM Tue Oct 4 13:56:57 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:56:57 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <434248C2.70008@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > As for BOC, the good Mr. Cope seems to be trying to say "I like a lot of > that stuff, but not all of it, and I wish I liked more of it, or that > there was more I liked, or something, but since that's not enough to > fill this web page (what is?) I'd best go off on a rant about ... stuff!" :) In thinking about it, I thought was an interesting discussion about _why_ one likes BOC. For example, on this list there are 3 camps (that I can identify): - Those who think that BOC-through-ST is "the" BOC. - Those who think that parts of their early stuff, big sections of the middle (AOF until RBN) and a little from RBN and on are the "best" parts. - Those who like it all. Cope is firmly in the first camp, as the "attitude" and "intent" of BOC at the time seems more important to him than, say, how cool the melody is on "I Love the Night" or something. Although there are signs of what was to come in the earlier albums ("Last Days" and "Flaming Telepaths"), BOC really did change after OYFOOYK. Could Godzilla have lived on any of the albums before Spectres? I don't think so. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 4 21:14:04 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:14:04 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051004175657.GC395868@pcc.com> Message-ID: But odd that he didn't mention Imaginos. It certainly seems like it would have fit into his concept of the true BOC. I guess he doesn't consider it a REAL BOC album. Rightly so. Al On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chip Hart wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> As for BOC, the good Mr. Cope seems to be trying to say "I like a lot >> of >> that stuff, but not all of it, and I wish I liked more of it, or that >> there was more I liked, or something, but since that's not enough to >> fill this web page (what is?) I'd best go off on a rant about ... >> stuff!" :) > > In thinking about it, I thought was an interesting discussion > about _why_ one likes BOC. > > For example, on this list there are 3 camps (that I can > identify): > > - Those who think that BOC-through-ST is "the" BOC. > > - Those who think that parts of their early stuff, big > sections of the middle (AOF until RBN) and a little from RBN > and on are the "best" parts. > > - Those who like it all. > > Cope is firmly in the first camp, as the "attitude" and > "intent" > of BOC at the time seems more important to him than, say, how > cool the melody is on "I Love the Night" or something. > Although > there are signs of what was to come in the earlier albums > ("Last > Days" and "Flaming Telepaths"), BOC really did change after > OYFOOYK. Could Godzilla have lived on any of the albums before > Spectres? I don't think so. > > -- > Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company > chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 > 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got > Smarter. > Your Practice Just Got Healthier. > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 4 21:44:14 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (Gary Shindler) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:44:14 -0500 Subject: Your friend Gary Shindler says You gotta see this Message-ID: Hi BOC-L list, Gary Shindler stopped by antimusic.com and thought you would be interested in the following item on our site: http://www.antimusic.com/news/05/oct/0402.shtml Here is their message.... Albert's putting the cowbell in CBGB's! antimusic.com antimusic.com The Music site with an attitude!! http://www.antimusic.com/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 4 22:37:18 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:37:18 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <434248C2.70008@carlaz.com> Message-ID: We're still mixing it. What a bogart! Ironic really, shortest tracking time and longest mix. OK so we've changed a lyric here and a vocal there. Still? It's almost done suffice to say. No chance to be out by Christmas. Hopefully early next year. Al On Oct 4, 2005, at 5:17 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > pps - Hey, Al, when's the new Brain Surgeons disc coming out? :) From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 5 06:58:15 2005 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:58:15 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051004175657.GC395868@pcc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Chip Hart wrote: > Cope is firmly in the first camp, as the "attitude" and "intent" > of BOC at the time seems more important to him than, say, how > cool the melody is on "I Love the Night" or something. Reminds me of a recent discussion about the (still current?) literary fad 'magical realism'. Those of us asking the questions were looking for common elements between stories; the fans of the genre kept talking about the intent and politics of the author. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net "Hear the voices in my head, swear to God it sounds like they're snoring." - Harvey Danger From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 5 07:30:29 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:30:29 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/10/2005 02:14, Albert Bouchard wrote: > But odd that he didn't mention Imaginos. It certainly seems like it > would have fit into his concept of the true BOC. I guess he doesn't > consider it a REAL BOC album. Rightly so. "True", but not "Real"! :) When I first heard Imaginos, I thought it was a) great and b) a "real" BOC album: both a return to form and an update that worked better than the early 80s albums (admittedly, I heard *any* BOC, other than Reaper on classic rock radio stations, until I went to university in the early 90s, so I was thinking of "form setting" in the early albums and "form returning" for Imaginos almost simultaneously :) When I eventually learned real story of Imaginos, I still thought it was great :) I dunno, perhaps I'd have different feelings about the trajectory of BOC if I'd been a big fan back in the early 70s instead of a toddler. I came to basically the band's whole catalog -- the good, the bad, the ugly -- at once. Seeing it as a block, I had no trouble thinking of "Vengeance" or "Unknown Tongue" as being from the same band as "Transmaniacon" or "Astronomy". (I only wished, not being an aficianado of the lo-fi "Detroitish" vibe, that the early recordings sounded as good as the later ones!). I only thought about songs I like more or less and albums that felt stronger or weaker. So, whether Imaginos was real or not always took a back seat to whether it rocked or not. And, well, with giant riffs and huge prodcution overlying uebercryptic Cthuloid imagery, what's not to like? :) "I Am the One" remains one of my fave tunes :) It is *criminal* that it didn't receive some sort wild MTV promo video and zoom to Number 1! tBS should feel free to bring it back out of mothballs as and when :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 5 08:40:34 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:40:34 +0100 Subject: tBS: Denial of Death (was Re: Julian Cope on BOC) In-Reply-To: <4272ef849b9ab2dcf3edb577711ae92d@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 05/10/2005 03:37, Albert Bouchard wrote: > We're still mixing it. What a bogart! Ironic really, shortest tracking > time and longest mix. OK so we've changed a lyric here and a vocal > there. Still? > It's almost done suffice to say. No chance to be out by Christmas. > Hopefully early next year. Well, something to look forward to in the Spring already, then ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 6 07:30:49 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:30:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: (yet) more cowbell In-Reply-To: <200510050144.UAA26209@ieginc.propagation.net> Message-ID: On 05/10/2005 02:44, Gary Shindler wrote: > Gary Shindler stopped by antimusic.com > and thought you would be interested in the following item on our site: > http://www.antimusic.com/news/05/oct/0402.shtml > Here is their message.... > Albert's putting the cowbell in CBGB's! Heh, the dodgy little band I play bass in is doing an "unplugged" set later this month -- the drummer can't make it, and I thought playing acoustic bass was too obvious, so I've volunteered for duty on random percussion :) I've got a little shaker I picked up from a dude in Cartagena de Las Indias that seems to be made of a film canister filled with pebbles (sounds good!), and I'm using that on most songs -- but we've got one that starts kinda jangly on Am and has some G and F things in there too, so for it I'm deploying my "piece de resistance": a handheld bongo bell from JCR Precussion in the Bronx :) Cures my fever for sure :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 6 21:38:49 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:38:49 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <4343B955.60906@carlaz.com> Message-ID: That would probably be a worthy project but one that would require more time than any of us BSNYC folks have right now. Also the other factor is that holding to these conceptual forms is almost anti-commercial so if we wanted to make the Surgeons pay for itself it would not be the thing to do. Wait didn't The Mars Volta just do that? Al On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 05/10/2005 02:14, Albert Bouchard wrote: >> But odd that he didn't mention Imaginos. It certainly seems like it >> would have fit into his concept of the true BOC. I guess he doesn't >> consider it a REAL BOC album. Rightly so. > > "True", but not "Real"! :) > > When I first heard Imaginos, I thought it was a) great and b) a "real" > BOC album: both a return to form and an update that worked better than > the early 80s albums (admittedly, I heard *any* BOC, other than Reaper > on classic rock radio stations, until I went to university in the early > 90s, so I was thinking of "form setting" in the early albums and "form > returning" for Imaginos almost simultaneously :) > > When I eventually learned real story of Imaginos, I still thought it > was > great :) > > I dunno, perhaps I'd have different feelings about the trajectory of > BOC > if I'd been a big fan back in the early 70s instead of a toddler. I > came to basically the band's whole catalog -- the good, the bad, the > ugly -- at once. Seeing it as a block, I had no trouble thinking of > "Vengeance" or "Unknown Tongue" as being from the same band as > "Transmaniacon" or "Astronomy". (I only wished, not being an > aficianado > of the lo-fi "Detroitish" vibe, that the early recordings sounded as > good as the later ones!). I only thought about songs I like more or > less and albums that felt stronger or weaker. > > So, whether Imaginos was real or not always took a back seat to whether > it rocked or not. And, well, with giant riffs and huge prodcution > overlying uebercryptic Cthuloid imagery, what's not to like? :) "I Am > the One" remains one of my fave tunes :) It is *criminal* that it > didn't receive some sort wild MTV promo video and zoom to Number 1! > tBS > should feel free to bring it back out of mothballs as and when :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 7 04:48:04 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:48:04 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <43cbf555d840f15397030456e6ced6ff@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 07 Oct 2005, at 02:38, Albert Bouchard wrote: > That would probably be a worthy project but one that would require > more > time than any of us BSNYC folks have right now. Also the other factor > is that holding to these conceptual forms is almost anti-commercial so > if we wanted to make the Surgeons pay for itself it would not be the > thing to do. Wait didn't The Mars Volta just do that? Well, I meant just covering "I Am the One" in concert would be cool-- because it's a cool tune that *someone* should be playing--but if a bazillion dollars fall out of the sky on me, I'll invest in the rest ;) Cheers, Carl ps - Roll on, Mars Volta! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 7 08:10:47 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:10:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Underground Zero & Litmus Message-ID: Remember, it's tonight! Litmus plus Underground Zero The Standard, Walthamstow http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 7 10:21:05 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:21:05 +0100 Subject: remember it's tonight Message-ID: "naaaaaaa ya don't wanna go to that one - ya wanna go to this one..." ya might even get a lift back on the crest of a sunami!!! cough.... Doom Folk Evening On Friday 7th October Judge Trev (inner City Unit) and Jaki Windmill (Space Ritual) are to play The RMA Tavern, Cromwell Street, Portsmouth, UK. Here's a map http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/35181/Portsmouth/RMA+Tavern.html Free entry. The chances of a beer drinking guest harmonica player (Kev from the Acousticats) is very high. To check on other Judge Trev gigs: AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers From berryj170 at MSN.COM Sat Oct 8 10:58:18 2005 From: berryj170 at MSN.COM (John Berry) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:18 -0400 Subject: BOC at the Taste of Boston festival - Sep. 18th, 2005 Message-ID: The intro music is Chateau by Rob Dougan from the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sat Oct 8 17:01:02 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:01:02 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IEJPQzogIERlY2VtYmVyIDI=?= Message-ID: The planets have aligned and all systems are go for me to finally catch BOC again. Friday, Dec 2 in Johnson City, NY. Anybody else going? The website says they're gonna be in Florida on the 3rd and 4th. How in the world does anybody put on a show, haul ass all the way down the coast, then turn around and do it all over again? As you can probably tell, I've never been in a band. --Nick From berryj170 at MSN.COM Sat Oct 8 19:40:10 2005 From: berryj170 at MSN.COM (John Berry) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:40:10 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IEJPQzogIERlY2VtYmVyIDI=?= Message-ID: Planning on this one myself Nick. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 9 06:17:01 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:17:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Electronic Cottage, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com October 9, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #135), The Electronic Cottage (show #16), and Drool Trough (show #37). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #135) Hawkwind ? ?Angela Android? (from Take Me To Your Leader) Cyndee Lee Rule ? ?Assassins of Allah? (from UFOsmosis) Secret Saucer ? ?Atom Smasher? (from Element 115) Astro Can Caravan ? ?Meteor Shower? (from 21st Century Drifting Episode) Dungen ? ?Bortgl?md? (from Ta Det Lugnt) Blue Lily Commission ? ?Eastern Wasteland? (from Eastern Evening) Shiva?s Quintessence ? ?Dolphin Dreaming? (from Cosmic Surfer) First Band From Outer Space ? ?Sannraijz? (from We're Only In It For The Spacerock) In The Labyrinth ? ?Vegetable Man? (from The Vegetable Man Project Vol. 3) Ed Drury & Mental Anguish ? ?Vapor? (from Electronic American) The Electric Effect ? ?Atomic Stickman? (from From The Centre of the Sun) Day Shift ? ?The Clothes Horse? (from Imaginary Menagerie) Gi?bia ? ?Beyond the Stars? (from Beyond the Stars) The Electronic Cottage (show #16) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Psychatrone Rhonedakk ? ?Ground Zero Station? (from Disturbs the Air) Blue Lily Commission ? ?Indian Storm? (from Eastern Evening) Ed Drury & Mental Anguish ? ?A Terrible Mistake? (from Electronic American) Colorforms ? ?Crystalline Trees? (from Colorforms) Tempustry ? ?Discovery? (from Le Voyage du Temps) Kyron ? ?Lab Rat? (from Morpho Genex) Steve Nicholas ? ?Dream Rider? (from A Light Within A Dream) Lothus ? ?Sionhagem? (from Desert of Frequencies) Ugur Dogan ? ?Loosing It? (from Gam ? I Azad) Alien Tech ? ?? (from Flights of Fantasy) Water Magic ? ?eWhale Seeks Mate? (from Mystic Tech) Drool Trough (show #37) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Circle ? ?Tulilintu? (from Tulikoira) Astro Can Caravan ? ?Mad Oraclest Century Drifting Episode) Little Fyodor ? ?It?s What These People Live For? (from Slither) Cyndee Lee Rule ? ?Telekinetigram? (from UFOsmosis) Unknown Instructors ? ?Punk (Is Whatever We Made It To Be)? (from The Way Things Work) C. Goff III ? ?No Complicated Pockets? (from Beaten & Pureed) The Husher ? ?Time Dragon? (from Un?Altra Lingua) Om Trio ? ?Demarcation? (from Globalpositioningrecord) Furgastedman ? ?Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Drug Addict? (from Furgastedman) UFO Jim ? ?Starry Love? (from CDR single) Ectogram ? ?Cloud Trouble? (from Electric Deckchair) Girth ? ?Broken? (from The Sweetness of Rejection) Adam Rich ? ?Fubar? (from Foundation) The Rick Ray Band ? ?None Of My Concern? (from Temporary World) Kokoro Mayikibo ? ?Vegetable Man? (from The Vegetable Man Project Vol. 3) Johnny J. and the Diversatones ? ?Bodysurf? (from Walls of Genius: Madness Lives) Random Touch ? ?Configuring An Exit? (from The Elegance of Falling) Flesh Resonance ? ?Spirits Cast in Stone? (from Aeon) Ethereal ? ?Mythillogical? (from Mythillogical) Bill & the AntiDepressants ? ?Missing It? (from Secret Overthrow) http://Aural-Innovations.com From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Oct 9 12:25:02 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:25:02 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/OFF: CBGBs Question Message-ID: For those of you in BOCL land, where's the best place to stay for one night after the CBGBs show? I'm planning on taking a bus down mid-afternoon onFriday and going back Saturday morning. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Jason From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Sun Oct 9 16:12:02 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:12:02 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBSRTogQk9DOiAgRGVjZW1iZXIgMg==?= Message-ID: ARe you local, John? I was born and raised in Endicott, NY, went to school in Cortland. Still have a lot of family and a few remaining friends in Broome County. I've lived in State College, PA for about 13 years now. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: John Berry >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:40:10 > >Planning on this one myself Nick. From berryj170 at MSN.COM Mon Oct 10 09:55:37 2005 From: berryj170 at MSN.COM (John Berry) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:55:37 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IFJlOiBSRTogQk9DOiAgRGVjZW1iZXIgMg==?= Message-ID: I live in Pittsfield MA. Nick, about a half hour from Albany NY. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 10 11:57:17 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:57:17 +0100 Subject: H/W: Geek fact of the day - voices on Orgone Accumulator - remastered space ritual Message-ID: Hi, this may well already be known, but incase not, Geek fact of the day. Space Ritual CD remastered version ( so far, not tested vinyl yet) 7mins 30 into Orgone Accumulator , theres a voice saying "yeah", definately sounds like its from a studio as its clear & dry, and not reverbed etc as if from the stage... Weird that I've been listening to this LP for 25years and never heard it before, will have to go play the vinyl now to see if its just from the remix or if its on the original vinyl... iain From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Oct 10 12:01:55 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:01:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawks on TV Message-ID: Here's something for all Hawkwind fans in Germany: Don't forget to tune in to the Hamburg based TV Show 'Rock It! TV' on Thursday October 13th at 11pm CET. In case you miss it the show will be aired again on October 27th at 11pm CET. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Oct 10 13:18:45 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:18:45 +0100 Subject: H/W: Geek fact of the day - voices on Orgone Accumulator - remastered space ritual In-Reply-To: <434A8F5C.60001@aol.com> Message-ID: I haven't played my vinyl version for ages but I'm pretty sure it's on there - It's also on my 'One Way Records' CD which was lifted from vinyl. I always thought it was one of the band on stage who said it and it got picked up by the mic. Cheers, mick --- Iain Ferguson wrote: > Hi, > > this may well already be known, but incase not, > > Geek fact of the day. > > Space Ritual CD remastered version ( so far, not > tested vinyl yet) > > 7mins 30 into Orgone Accumulator , theres a voice > saying "yeah", > definately sounds like its from a studio as its > clear & dry, and not > reverbed etc as if from the stage... Weird that I've > been listening to > this LP for 25years and never heard it before, will > have to go play the > vinyl now to see if its just from the remix or if > its on the original > vinyl... > > iain > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From chip at PCC.COM Mon Oct 10 13:23:44 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:23:44 -0400 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <987E16E8-5EBA-4C2B-871D-7233913FCF02@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Well, I meant just covering "I Am the One" in concert would be cool-- > because it's a cool tune that *someone* should be playing I'll second that. It also makes another example of a originally-Bloom vocal that would sound great by Deb (think: Baby Ice Dog). Wait, that was Bloom, right? > ps - Roll on, Mars Volta! :) No joke. Those two albums are the best thing I've heard in a long time. BOC-Lers: do yourself a favor and check out The Mars Volta. -- Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK Mon Oct 10 13:33:50 2005 From: Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK (Phillipps Marc) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:33:50 +0100 Subject: H/W: Geek fact of the day - voices on Orgone Accumulator - re mastered space ritual Message-ID: > 7mins 30 into Orgone Accumulator , theres a voice > saying "yeah", > definately sounds like its from a studio as its > clear & dry Oddly enough I was listening to that on the bus this morning . . the "yeah" doesn't sound like part of the original recording at all does it . . New to the list so, hello to all :) Marc. 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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 10 14:16:31 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:16:31 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051010172344.GF185286@pcc.com> Message-ID: On 10 Oct 2005, at 18:23, Chip Hart wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Well, I meant just covering "I Am the One" in concert would be cool-- >> because it's a cool tune that *someone* should be playing > > I'll second that. It also makes another example of a > originally-Bloom vocal that would sound great by Deb (think: > Baby Ice Dog). Wait, that was Bloom, right? According to my ears, yeah. The acoustic (well, largely acoustic) "I Am the One" on _Malpractise_ has an Al vocal, but I agree that Frosting it up a la "Baby Ice Dog" in an electric tBS version would work very well! Cheers, Carl ps - I've tried to convince the little band I play in to cover "I Am the One", but haven't pulled it off (we sometimes muck around working up "Astronomy" though). So I did my best to compose a song that ripped off that vibe -- I don't think I succeeded, since even the keyboardist, who knows the Imaginos album, didn't recognize the inspiration for my rip-off attempt. (Admittedly, it's harder to notice the similarity in a grimy demo recording with me playing and singing everything ... but I had to try ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 10 15:08:28 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:08:28 -0700 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051010172344.GF185286@pcc.com> Message-ID: Or the new Van Der Graaf Generator. --- Chip Hart wrote: BOC-Lers: do yourself a favor > and check out The Mars > Volta. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 10 16:17:58 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:17:58 +0100 Subject: realfestivalmusic review judge/jaki gig Message-ID: Judge Trev and Jaki Windmill - 0ct 7th rma tavern, Portsmouth The Royal Marine Artillery Tavern regulars plus a mini-invasion of fans ensured a good turn out for Judge and Jaki's Doom/Folk set. Joined by Kev Ellis of Majic Cat radio on harmonica, they performed two 45 min sets of Judge Trev/Jaki Windmill originals interspersed with relevant covers, notably Ritchie Havens "Freedom", their encore number. There were frequent calls for Trev's "Yer All Gonna Die" from fans who had seen him perform it at the Hawk Fest several years ago - surely the ultimate Doom/Folk composition. A great evening. Let's do it again. It was, of course, far better than the Litmus gig on the same night. Why, I almost feel sorry for the poor fans who trudged all the way to Walthamstow to see these youngsters make their juvenile attempts at entertainment...cough!...I mean, on good looks alone, the veteran space warrior Judge Trev far outshines the gangly Litmus lot. Their guitarist even has an email address with a girl's name...wheeze!...mutter!... Oh yes indeed. Ha Ha only joking, I'm sure it went well...for a youth gig...harumph! Anyway, none of this really matters as were all gonna die (or most of us) under the soon-to-arrive floods, hurricanes and sizemic upheavals, just like the ones in the Far East, the Americas and on the Sub continent. Don't say I didn't warn you all. I've been on about it for years now, but who listened? - No one. Today, in Brighton, on 10th October, it was 75 degrees!!! Fortunately you can get updated by buying my Cd's on my website - Real Festival Music. Best Wishes, Judge Trev REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 10 17:13:19 2005 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:13:19 +0100 Subject: H/W: Geek fact of the day - voices on Orgone Accumulator - re mastered space ritual In-Reply-To: <64EA4AC86606ED4D87C8806DDA8A4A6A0115E4C3@194-101-188-9.ipr everse010302.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Hi Marc, Welcome! Now where do I know you from? ;-) Just Joking of course! Dave At 18:33 10/10/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > 7mins 30 into Orgone Accumulator , theres a voice > > saying "yeah", > > definately sounds like its from a studio as its > > clear & dry > >Oddly enough I was listening to that on the bus this morning . . the "yeah" >doesn't sound like part of the original recording at all does it . . > >New to the list so, hello to all :) > >Marc. > > >This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally >privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you >are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of >distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within >is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and >destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any >liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This >communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield >& Haringey Health Communities. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Mon Oct 10 17:19:39 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:19:39 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IEJPQzogIERlY2VtYmVyIDI=?= Message-ID: So it's a bit of a haul for you then, huh? I guess I'll be coming from just as far, if not farther. It takes a little more than 3 hours to get there from where I live. But I guess it's kinda different, since I'm going back "home". >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: John Berry >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:55:37 > >I live in Pittsfield MA. Nick, about a half hour >from Albany NY. From tim at KALYR.COM Mon Oct 10 18:13:30 2005 From: tim at KALYR.COM (Tim Hall) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:13:30 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: <20051010190829.15133.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: gary shindler wrote: > Or the new Van Der Graaf Generator. --- Chip Hart > wrote: > > BOC-Lers: do yourself a favor > >>and check out The Mars >> Volta. I'm seeing both live in Nov/Dec :) Doesn't make up for not either seeing BOC or tBS on our side of the pond, though.... From Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK Tue Oct 11 06:11:14 2005 From: Marc.Phillipps at ENFIELD.NHS.UK (Phillipps Marc) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:11:14 +0100 Subject: H/W: Geek fact of the day - voices on Orgone Accumulator - re mastered space ritual Message-ID: >Welcome! Now where do I know you from? ;-) Ello Dave . . . how did I guess I'd find you here :o) This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. 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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 12 15:16:27 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:16:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Underground Zero & Litmus In-Reply-To: <008601c5c6c0$a3606070$84a34354@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 08:45:11PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > Following their triumphant return at last night's Space Rock > Spectacular, this is a reminder that Underground Zero can be seen again this Friday (7th October) at the Standard Music Venue in Walthamstow(http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk), where they will be > playing on the same bill as Litmus. > > So that should be a gentle, quiet night then! Reasonable BOC-L contingent along to relax as well :-) One of them asked if I was going to review it and I said yes, so, here goes. It's always nice to have an excuse to go to the Standard really, and I was particularly interested to see how Underground Zero would be, and I admit, prepared to be disappointed, because how many bands survive an eleven-year absence in the real world intact? On the other hand it's not as if I saw them way back when, so I had only the two UZ0 tracks on the various Friends'n'Relations compilations to go by. I also wans't sure if I was going to be able to manage the full set, because I'd assumed they were headlining and there didn't seem to be enough time to fit everyone in if, as I was told, Litmus were going on at ten, before I had to run for last train home. In fact, UZ0, with what seems to be characteristic humility, had opted to go first, probably because they didn't have a full-length set worked up. Line-up was two guitars, drums etc., bass/vox, singer and synths, and immediately I knew it would be more or less all right as one guitarist (maybe both?) was playing a Gibson and the bassist had a Rickenbacker and the cast-iron law of quality that this arrangement brings can only be broken by the Hibachi Dealers :-) Nah, they were all right. Star performers were the synth player and the drummer I think, the latter filling the space very full indeed but I have to say not with very much swing, an oddly mathematical style he had. The synths started us off, however, big wshes of cold space warming up slowly but then abruptsly disappearing for a riff. I don't know what the song they opened with was (I know very little UZ0 material, as I said) but it proved that the singer still sounds the same, and in fact, so does the band. The guitarists maybe showed a touch of age, but the bassist appeared to have been time-warped from 1983, the only side-effect being a greying of hair. I don't know how old he is but I hope I look that young when I am as well. It sounded like the band I had on CD, except with newer synths. I don't think they really *needed* two guitars, and everything could have been a bit tighter maybe, and is she really a good singer or just very distinctive, and for far far too much of the gig the bass was slightly lost in the mix which robbed them of a punch that otherwise only the drummer was really providing, but, the grins of disbelief across several of their faces showed that it was going a lot better than they'd expected and their enjoyment was infectious. Especially the bass-player but the whole band to a lesser degree gave off a strong impression of being a big bunch of kids who had stepped up on stage thinking themselves the worst band in the universe and now not believing they were getting away with it. I was minded of Nick Saloman's interviews where he says that every album that sells he thinks "but I'm an old fart! When are they going to realise?" UZ0 looked like they were having a similar realisation that they had everyone, maybe even themselves, fooled. And fair enough. They went through something that was probably called `Nevermore', then two big dreamy numbers--the second of which was just starting to do some really interesting things with interlocking treble lines when they stopped dammit--but when they got to `Aimless Flight' it was clear that whatever they'd had in 1983 when they recorded it, they still had, in fact this was probably a better version. So for people who loved UZ0 this was surely a damn good showing, and for those of us who were friendly but not in love, if you see what I mean, it was a creditable attempt to deny the power of time. I'm not sure that they can ever be more than an endearingly amateur outfit winging it along the space-time curve, and I hope they get gig-fit enough that they feel happy to seize those moments when the instruments start talking to each other ("It's a sympathiser...") and go with it, because then their slight uncertainty might become a strength, but it was pretty good for what felt like a very young band still seeing things they couldn't quite reach yet, rather than an old one out of ideas. They only played six songs. Colin tells me the last one was `Genocide', which they hadn't been ready to play last gig--it really didn't show, it was pretty good--and went off after explaining "We don't know any more!" and it still wasn't ten, so all of a sudden the evening looked like it would all fit after all, and I was nicely disposed for it and went and bought the UZ0 CD so however critical I may seem you can tell I liked them really. Litmus were on fairly soon after, and lost no time apart from the obligatory synth warm-up, moving straight into `Destroy the Mothership' even before Anton had got the vocal sample they usually introduce it with to an audible level. Kicked arse of course, and nicely drew the difference between the bands. Underground Zero were pleased that anyone was staying to watch, but Litmus were coming to get us, at fearsome speed. They kept up the pace with a much shortened version of `The Tempest'. I thought this was one of the more successful versions of what's to me always been an unhappily-formed song, mainly because it left most of the difficulties out, but I fear it says something that even though they'd got warm applause for `Destroy...' there was not a single clap when they stopped `Tempest'. I'm not sure anyone had really managed to get into the song before it ended. Really, they should just redo `Invader', they share the best bit of `Tempest' which is the intro riff and I'm not sure whether there's any way to save `Tempest' by now (though if they want to try I would nominate inserting `Earth' into the middle of it somehow, just because I'm determined to have them put that cadence on record somehow). Anyway, they didn't appear rattled by the sudden loss of audience enthusiasm, but lured people back into their frame of mind by doing `You Are Here', which with gentle twittering and slowly-thickening texture pulled the atmosphere close round the room in time for it to be pummelled by the building riff, and I think that had most people back with them, but even if it didn't, what they did next solved almost every problem in the entire world. Martin was explaining rather vaguely that they weren't playing at the Gong Family Unconvention after all, which was a pity because they all loved Gong, and then without explaining further they dropped into a stabbing riff out of nowhere which, with delighted horror, I recognised as `Dynamite' from _Camembert Electrique_. Blimey! You'll never see Gong do it like that, I imagine, though I wouldn't like to say that it was impossible for them given how eclectic the most recent line-up was, but all the same. Litmus hammered it home and then went on their own for the break, no whisper vocals just punch, returning rapidly to the riff and finishing with the sign-off "don't expect us to ever do that again!" To which I can only say, "oh, g'wan g'wan g'wan you will you will you will" because it was bloody excellent. Losing no time, `Under the sign' followed, and what a monster of a piece this is. I had a stitch before very long but I didn't care. And even once it had finally finished, after a deliberately false stop, and after some really high-flying jamming in the middle too--never the same break twice, I do admire that--they gave me no chance to breathe because a sequencer burble announced the approach of `Theta Wave Inductor' which is the most danceable thing they've so far done and was my favourite right up until I first heard `Under the Sign', and basically I wasn't going to be allowed to stand still. Just like to say, by now some other people were dancing, so it isn't just me they're playing to which is always something of a relief, especially as unlike me with my rather haphazard staggering these people could actually dance. For a while though it did seem as if I was the only one getting it. But anyway. A brief interlude followed which I badly needed and then they headed into the close of the set with two newish numbers, so new I didn't know the titles for sure, anyway; one was probably called `Projection', which I like, high-up jagged vocals and churning riffery, and the latter of which I later discovered is called `Far Beyond', and this was really very good, as epic as `Under the sign' but in a lighter vein which might just let it balance out that piece on the eventual album. I tell you this my friends, it's not going to be a difficult second album thing this one, they've got the new stuff and it's great. I just want them to get on and finish it. Anyhow, there was of course calling for encores, and eventually the band re-emerged with a promise that they were going to try something a bit chaotic, and the appearance of another guitarist, another bass-player and a high-hat and snare for another drummer told us that there was going to be an Underground Zero portion of the chaos too. As Martin explained, Litmus don't know any UZ0 songs and UZ0 don't know any Litmus songs, so it was really only a question of exactly which of their biggest influence's songs they were going to try, and I can't say I was exactly disappointed to discover it was `Brainstorm'. A long version, too, and continuous, and though I don't think they were ever all flying free at once nonetheless everyone got a jam in one way or another except *perhaps* UZ0's guitarist who didn't seem as happy with it as everyone else. The genuine article anyway, and cunningly finished off with the end section the song wears on _California Brainstorm_ which I thought was a nice touch (I haven't played that album for much too long actually). So all was very definitely well that had ended well and I went home with the bassline from `Under the Sign' firmly jammed in my head and loving it. I want that album dammit. Until then, the next gig is happily at my local, which is nice of them, so I assume I'll see you all there... :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 13 09:00:59 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:00:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Underground Zero & Litmus In-Reply-To: <20051012191627.GF27852@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 12/10/2005 20:16, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > immediately I knew it would be more or less all right as one > guitarist (maybe both?) was playing a Gibson and the bassist had a > Rickenbacker and the cast-iron law of quality that this arrangement brings > can only be broken by the Hibachi Dealers :-) I could blame this on the fact that our guitarist tends to play his Ibanez more than the Gibson -- but actually our suckage is more systemic than that ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 13 11:52:58 2005 From: jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM (Jim Reid) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:52:58 -0400 Subject: astoria Message-ID: just got my ticket through the pst for the astoria gig. travelling down from scotland. would love to meet up with any fellow hawkfans while im there anyone else going jim From jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 13 12:30:12 2005 From: jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM (Jim Reid) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:30:12 -0400 Subject: astoria Message-ID: first time iv bn to a london gig since 12 hour technicolor dream at the academy in 1990....been 2 many gigs sine but lkn forward 2 the trip!! last time was a weekend to remember...... jim From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 13 12:37:47 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:37:47 +0100 Subject: astoria In-Reply-To: Jim Reid's message of Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: Jim Reid writes: > just got my ticket through the pst for the astoria gig. > travelling down from scotland. > would love to meet up with any fellow hawkfans while im there > anyone else going I'll be there. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 13 12:40:16 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:40:16 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: What was the tracklist off the TMTYL DVD again? I seem to have an ad from Ande for the CD plus extra track (Paradox) where the DVD also has a different track listing. FoFP From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 13 12:43:26 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:43:26 EDT Subject: astoria Message-ID: Ooooooooooohhhh yes! Steve. In a message dated 10/13/2005 16:54:44 GMT Standard Time, jimreid19 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: just got my ticket through the pst for the astoria gig. travelling down from scotland. would love to meet up with any fellow hawkfans while im there anyone else going From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 13 20:14:45 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:14:45 EDT Subject: DVD Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:41:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: What was the tracklist off the TMTYL DVD again? I seem to have an ad from Ande for the CD plus extra track (Paradox) where the DVD also has a different track listing. Spirit of the Age-video Silver Machine-live The Right to Decide-live Spirit of the Age-live Psychedelic Warlords-live Joe From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 13 21:55:39 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: HW: December tour, various other bits... Message-ID: Hoi zaeme.... OK, I'm slumming it a bit here in jolly ole' Ohio, aka the land of corn and toxic nuts (ie., buckeyes*), but managing to survive as a homeless person in America (not enough of those yet apparently), and now to boot without health insurance (only for another week). Oh, and I haven't been paid since last December, but who's keeping track? (At least I've still got money for beer...and wine occasionally. Found a *real* Shiraz from Oz finally today.) *Ha! Losers! PSU 17 OSU 10 :) Anyway, none of that matters...most importantly, I've gotten to see some good concerts here in the states, including Circle (twice), once with Dead Meadow (a decent-enough stoner outfit), and then Queensryche (reprising their full Mindcrime multimedia show, which was nice to see), but then most importantly (and impressively) an *outf*ckingstanding* Porcupine Tree concert in Cleveland's House of Blues! First off, what a great club! Perfect semi-intimate size (but big enough for semi-major int'l known artists (maxing out around 1,000)), and nice big stage with high ceilings and modern, hi-tech lighting gear permanently installed. And then a great big whopping powerful sound system to blow your socks off. And PTree, 2005 edition, is the right band to do just that! They even played some unexpected things this time, including Don't Hate Me (from Stupid Dream), Radioactive Toy (ancient), and some non-album tracks from more recent days. Robert Fripp (doing ambient soundscapes, which are nice, but don't have much impact in a live, "bar-type" setting) was the opener. Oh, so now I'm working on my schedule for November-December, back in Europe, and now I can't find the intended Hawkwind dates in the UK! What's up with that? I know there were once five (semi)confirmed dates for the December mini-tour, but I didn't see them at MC and Dave Law only has Manchester and London-Astoria down as confirmed. I know there's to be a show in Stoke-on-Trent and two others somewhere, but have forgotten where and when. What's up? Is there something I missed? Anyway, I'll for sure be at the Astoria gig (it's an annual tradition now that I won't give up on just yet) and (I hope) at least at one other show 'cause the Astoria is not my favorite place acoustically-speaking. So, because I'd like to make travel plans soon, can somebody tell me what the dates are (supposed) to be? Thanks for that! Thanks, Jon, for the nice Litmus/UZ review...wish I wuz there. I guess I won't be going to the Gong Unconvention next weekend, because a. I can't get there in time from Amsterdam prolly and b. Litmus isn't playing, but I would like to hear them play Dynamite live if you can encourage them to keep that in the set (maybe I'll be in London on 13.Nov for the Amon Duul 2/Nik/Litmus gig...maybe not). But, thanks to some fortunate planet alignment, I might just get to see the Ozrics, Los Natas, Motorhead, Birth Control, Anyone's Daughter, iQ, and Van der Graaf Generator in Germany and Holland between Oct. 22 and Nov. 5. Not a bad set of dates. Then Porcupine Tree end up coming to Switzerland in November, so I'll catch them again once or twice. OH...I almost forgot...does anybody have the CD by Daevid Allen called "Australia Aquaria"? I just bought a shrink-wrapped 2CD package with this disc (supposedly) and Mother Gong's Wild Child, but my copy only had one CD in it (the latter)...other tray was empty...spotters! I bought it out of town, so I can't return it. If someone has this CD and can burn me a copy and send it to me, I would be much appreciative and I'd send you something in return. Um...for American SpaceRock fans, you might be interested to know that Sky Cries Mary are officially back in business (with a lineup nearly the same as before), and they have a new 2CD live package out which I just heard for the first time last night, and it's great! Excellent recording, excellent performance, and a great selection of tunes from their entire career. It's called Here and Now, and is available from their website at www.skycriesmary.com. Commercial over.... Well, not yet. Anyone who likes old-style krautrock needs to get ahold of the original Kollektiv recordings...holy, sh*t is this stuff good! The CD I got is self-titled, on some obscure Russian label, but I think it's really the album called SWF Sessions Vol. 5, which means that there's another self-titled Kollektiv CD out there that I don't have yet. (Who's got it?!) Anyway, the SWF one is just brilliant, and anyone who likes Agitation Free, or anything from Germany in that era (Out of Focus, Kraan, etc.) will *love* this stuff. (Note that ~15 years later, some members got together with jazz fusion bassist Jonas Hellborg and made another Kollektiv CD, but this is nothing like the original.) See ya' all later (some of you at the Astoria...party this year?), and everyone root for die Schweiz against whomever they face in the upcoming playoffs (either Turkey, Spain, or Czech Rep....we'll need it!) Ciao...Grakkl P.S. Korai Orom's new album should be out by now (www.korai.hu), and that other great Ozrics-like band from Budapest that I told you about last year, TanuTuva (www.soundfreedom.org I think) now has their debut CD about ready (check out the MP3s in the meantime), so check those out if you can. Perhaps Jerry K. at A-I.com will eventually carry these discs for US fans at some point (no guarantees). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From sebastian at WELTON.DE Fri Oct 14 04:35:27 2005 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:35:27 -0400 Subject: HW: A pretty good review Message-ID: I don't know if this has appeared here but: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/1431 Sebastian. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 14 05:14:18 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:14:18 +0100 Subject: HW: A pretty good review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14/10/2005 09:35, Sebastian Welton wrote: > I don't know if this has appeared here but: > http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/1431 Is this [Space Ritual Sundown Vol. 2, which kinda presumes a Vol 1.] a "sub-official" release? I see no instance of it on amazon.co.uk or .com, but a few surprisingly expensive copies show up on amazon.fr and elsewhere. Is it a Japanese release or something? Was gibt's? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 14 05:36:34 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:36:34 +0100 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: Joe Loehr's message of Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:14:45 EDT Message-ID: Joe Loehr writes: > In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:41:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > What was the tracklist off the TMTYL DVD again? I seem to have an ad > from Ande for the CD plus extra track (Paradox) where the DVD also has a > different track listing. > > > > Spirit of the Age-video > Silver Machine-live > The Right to Decide-live > Spirit of the Age-live > Psychedelic Warlords-live Oh, OK, the DVD on the new listing by Ande has: DVD Track List: 01. Spirit Of The Age (demo) 02. Silver Machine (live) 03. The Right Stuff (live) 04. Spirit Of The Age (live) 05. Brainstorm (live) From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Oct 14 07:58:50 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:58:50 -0500 Subject: HW: A pretty good review In-Reply-To: <434F76EA.5060405@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Nah it's Cleopatra Records in the USA. Just another repackaging once more. I saw it in Virgin the other day. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:14 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: A pretty good review On 14/10/2005 09:35, Sebastian Welton wrote: > I don't know if this has appeared here but: > http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/1431 Is this [Space Ritual Sundown Vol. 2, which kinda presumes a Vol 1.] a "sub-official" release? I see no instance of it on amazon.co.uk or .com, but a few surprisingly expensive copies show up on amazon.fr and elsewhere. Is it a Japanese release or something? Was gibt's? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Fri Oct 14 08:50:46 2005 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:50:46 +0100 Subject: HW: A pretty good review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Volume 1 is the original Space Ritual Album. Volume 2 is the second half of the gig recorded at the Brixton Sundown (where the first disc of the original LP was recorded). This appeared on LP (Ridicule) years ago (1980's) and has been issued by various labels since under various names. Check this page out for what it has appeared on. http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html Steve From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 14 09:30:17 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:30:17 +0100 Subject: HW: A pretty good review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14/10/2005 13:50, Steve Freight wrote: > Volume 1 is the original Space Ritual Album. > Volume 2 is the second half of the gig recorded at the Brixton Sundown > (where the first disc of the original LP was recorded). > This appeared on LP (Ridicule) years ago (1980's) and has been issued by > various labels since under various names. > Check this page out for what it has appeared on. > http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html Cool, thanks. Well, I already have the SR2 CD (or possibly Ridicule), albeit stashed in a create in my parent's garage. Admittedly, my memory is that it didn't sound as good as the EMI SR remaster. Is there actually improved remastered sound on the SR Sundown V2 release, or it is just yet-another-ripoff-of-the-same-ol'-thing? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Oct 14 09:49:52 2005 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:49:52 -0600 Subject: HW: A pretty good review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recall reading recently that there is, or will be soon a remastered version of this that was a qualitative improvement of the sound quality. Is it the May 2005 Cleopatra reissue? Anyone have any memory of this? Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Freight Subject: Re: HW: A pretty good review Volume 1 is the original Space Ritual Album. Volume 2 is the second half of the gig recorded at the Brixton Sundown (where the first disc of the original LP was recorded). This appeared on LP (Ridicule) years ago (1980's) and has been issued by various labels since under various names. Check this page out for what it has appeared on. http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html Steve From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 14 14:35:51 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:35:51 -0700 Subject: OFF: Some old cassettes..free to good home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi everyone... I'm cleaning up my CD and tape collection (US portion), and deciding which are worth saving and which are not. I have about 15 or so tapes here on my desk that I don't need to save any longer, because I have all the stuff on CD now. They're rather old, and may not have the best fidelity in the world still remaining (mix of normal and high bias), but I thought maybe somebody here would like to have them as a way of introducing themselves to some 'new' music. (If you like them, you'll be wanting to get the real CDs to get decent sound quality.) Here's a brief list of what's on there... Compilations of... Magma Gong DarXtar Porcupine Tree Hawkwind General Space Rock (x3) Nasoni Record Label comp. plus some individual albums like 35007 S/T Korai Orom 2000 Komeda Kokomemedada VDGG Present (Disc 1) Porcupine Tree Metanoia LP version ArcMet Odysseum Galacti Ektroverde Pingvin Starfire S/T Igra Staklenih Perli Inner Flow & Drives Kingston Wall 1 and bits of 2 Zero Gravity Space Does Not Care Pink Floyd Relics Whoever wants this crap, just send me a personal email and I'll post 'em off to you. If you're in the US, you'll get them soon...if you're in Europe, I'll send them from Holland next week. I might be willing to divide them up amongst a *few* people (2 or 3), but I don't want to be sending out 10 packages of 1-2 tapes each really due to postage costs. I'm not asking anything in return (except for that Daevid Allen album, which nobody else seems to have either). Ciao...Grakkl --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From management at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Oct 14 16:12:49 2005 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:12:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawks on Radio Message-ID: There is a Dave Brock interview on Mojo digital radio this evening. The rock show is on now, it began at 9pm. The interview will be in the second hour of the programme. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gee To: Hawkwind Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] Hawks on Radio Just to let anyone who is interested know that "Silver Machine" was played on the Johnny Walker show @ 6.15p.m.this eve, on BBC radio 2... Hawkwind e-group! The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- created and maintained by Hawkwind fans! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Hawkwind" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Oct 14 16:30:35 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:30:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawks on Radio Message-ID: click on http://www.whatson.com/mojo/ an that should get the station up and running! From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 14 17:45:05 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:45:05 EDT Subject: HW: Hawks on Radio Message-ID: DOH!!!! Didn't know about this. Just tuned in and Angela Andriod is playing. _http://www.whatson.com/mojo/_ (http://www.whatson.com/mojo/) Steve. In a message dated 10/14/2005 21:22:14 GMT Standard Time, management at HAWKWIND.COM writes: There is a Dave Brock interview on Mojo digital radio this evening. The rock show is on now, it began at 9pm. The interview will be in the second hour of the programme. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 14 17:50:59 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:50:59 EDT Subject: HW: Hawks on Radio Message-ID: Great. Just in time to catch the end of it :-( Did anyone record it? Steve. In a message dated 10/14/2005 22:46:50 GMT Standard Time, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: DOH!!!! Didn't know about this. Just tuned in and Angela Andriod is playing. From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 14 18:56:15 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:56:15 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: December tour, various other bits... In-Reply-To: <20051014015539.21658.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith Wrote: ....... Oh, so now I'm working on my schedule for November-December, back in Europe, and now I can't find the intended Hawkwind dates in the UK! What's up with that? I know there were once five (semi)confirmed dates for the December mini-tour, but I didn't see them at MC and Dave Law only has Manchester and London-Astoria down as confirmed. I know there's to be a show in Stoke-on-Trent and two others somewhere, but have forgotten where and when. What's up? Is there something I missed? Anyway, I'll for sure be at the Astoria gig (it's an annual tradition now that I won't give up on just yet) and (I hope) at least at one other show 'cause the Astoria is not my favorite place acoustically-speaking. So, because I'd like to make travel plans soon, can somebody tell me what the dates are (supposed) to be? Thanks for that! The other date that has been confirmed on MC is Birkenhead on 15th December. Birkenhead is across the River Mersey from Liverpool and is about 50 miles from Manchester. It wouldn't be to taxing to do both dates if you could make it to NW England. It's a neat venue but you can't walk up and buy tickets on the night. http://www.pacificroad.co.uk/webpages/artist.asp?perfID=360 Mark From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 14 21:55:47 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:55:47 EDT Subject: DVD Message-ID: In a message dated 10/14/2005 4:40:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Spirit of the Age-video > Silver Machine-live > The Right to Decide-live > Spirit of the Age-live > Psychedelic Warlords-live Oh, OK, the DVD on the new listing by Ande has: DVD Track List: 01. Spirit Of The Age (demo) 02. Silver Machine (live) 03. The Right Stuff (live) 04. Spirit Of The Age (live) 05. Brainstorm (live) So, at US $33 and change for the 'new' release, you get two 'new' songs at US$15 and change each. . . . . . . . . I'll pass. I like the idea of throwing money Hawkwind's direction (gotta keep the band in business) but this schtuff is ridiculous. Joe From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 15 07:02:18 2005 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:02:18 +0100 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: <8.72963445.3081bba3@aol.com> Message-ID: If you think Hawkind is ridiculous try keeping up with Porcupine Tree (and Steven Wilson various offshoots) now!! At least we know which CD's have the anthology / text of... stuff over again with nothing new. PTree seem to tack at least one extra song or version of a song onto each format not available on another. Take the early CD's of say Sky Moves Sideways (now on its 3rd remaster) and vinyl versions (2 at last count not including the coloured vinyl versions). The IEM album is being reissued with material from an LP (?15) / CD (?15) / and 5 different coloured vinyl 12"s (?65) onto a new CD (?15) version and double LP (?30). Serious money for the collector Now that takes the biscuit as far as I am concerned but I do know someone who has bought 2 copies of each version so far and will continue to do so. I used to be like this and sometimes it is hard not to slip back into old ways (I must confess to having bought Quark on rock fever for the cover as I have the Griffin version, and I still pick up Hawkwind Vinyl when I see it as I regret having totally made the transition to CD a few years ago) but I have given up with multiple formats now by any band (unless there is something really interesting involved) and only buy one of each title providing I can get each issued track, so unfortunately I will be parting with my money for this one. Steve On 10/15/05, Joe Loehr wrote: > > In a message dated 10/14/2005 4:40:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > Spirit of the Age-video > > Silver Machine-live > > The Right to Decide-live > > Spirit of the Age-live > > Psychedelic Warlords-live > > > Oh, OK, the DVD on the new listing by Ande has: > > > DVD Track List: > 01. Spirit Of The Age (demo) > 02. Silver Machine (live) > 03. The Right Stuff (live) > 04. Spirit Of The Age (live) > 05. Brainstorm (live) > > > > So, at US $33 and change for the 'new' release, you get two 'new' songs at > US$15 and change each. > > . . . . . . . . I'll pass. > > I like the idea of throwing money Hawkwind's direction (gotta keep the > band > in business) but this schtuff is ridiculous. > > Joe > From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Sat Oct 15 11:13:30 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:13:30 EDT Subject: DVD Message-ID: Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL with Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems like this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? -Josh From stevefreight at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 15 11:41:07 2005 From: stevefreight at GMAIL.COM (Steve Freight) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:41:07 +0100 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can confirm that there is an extra track on the CD - confirmed by voiceprint when talking to them. As to the DVD I do not know - I spoke to Andy G and this is the track listing that has been given to them. Steve On 10/15/05, Josh Schwartz wrote: > > Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL > with > Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems like > this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > > If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? > > -Josh > From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Oct 15 16:51:05 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:51:05 EDT Subject: DVD Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2005 10:15:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Dudeofebay at AOL.COM writes: If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? Andy G. posted about it, so . . . --CD SERVICES NEWS 40 - 42 BRANTWOOD AVE DUNDEE DD3 6EW UK Telephone: (+44) 0 1382 776595 Fax: (+44) 0 1382 736702 E-Mail: orders at cd-services.com / info at cd-services.com On-Line Stores: _www.cd-services.com_ (http://www.cd-services.com) --- Dunno if the Amazons are carrying it. Joe From bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM Sat Oct 15 17:23:25 2005 From: bloody.peasant at GMAIL.COM (Roy G. Ovrebo) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:23:25 +0200 Subject: astoria In-Reply-To: <200510131637.j9DGbl1V017895@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 17:37 Thu 13 Oct , M Holmes wrote: > Jim Reid writes: > > > just got my ticket through the pst for the astoria gig. > > travelling down from scotland. > > would love to meet up with any fellow hawkfans while im there > > anyone else going > > I'll be there. Well, I've ordered a ticket, so I'll be there. Not sure of my travel details yet, though. There's a friend of mine who might want to come along, so how quickly do you think he has to make a decision before it sells out if it does? -- Roy From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 16 13:43:18 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:43:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Radio Show & Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com October 16, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #15), Drool Trough Radio (show #38), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #40). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New additions to the store this week include the debut CD from First Band From Outer Space, a Swedish band with an awesome blend of Space Rock, Metal and Stoner Rock. This is the best heavy Space Rock album I?ve heard since Litmus? debut. Also in stock is the latest in The Spacious Mind?s live CDR series, this one recorded live in Tr?stock, Sweden in July of this year. Only 200 printed. Once they?re gone they?re gone. As for the new Secret Saucer, word from Andy G is it should only be a week or so away. You can go directly to the store at http://www.aural-innovations.com/store/ The Atomic Bongload (show #15) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we receive at Aural Innovations. Orange Sunshine ? ?Girl, You ? (from Homo Erectus) The G.A.T.E.S. ? ? (from Total Death) Suplecs ? ?Cities of the Dead? (From Powtin? On The Outside, Pawty On The Inside) The Grand Trick ? ?Late Morning Daze? (from The Decadent Session) First Band From Outer Space ? ?Sometimes Going Too Far is the Only Way to Go? (from We're Only In It For The Spacerock) Trigon ? ?Emergent? (from Emergent) Stonedudes/Rotor/Drive By Shooting ? ?B.T.C.? (from Between Evil and Peace Tour 2005) Circle - "Tulilintu" (from Tulikoira) Diesto ? ?Diamond Back? (From Doomtown 7) Secrets of the Moon ? ?Exhibitions in the Grey Zone? (from The Exhibitions E.P.) Helrunar ? ?Der Trank Des Gehangten? (from Frostnacht) Drool Trough (show #38) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. K?re Jo?o ? ?The Rats? (from K?re Jo?o 2) EM ? ?Essence? (from EM 3) The Barbarellatones ? ?Baby Wants A Corndog? (from Beyond the Valley of the Barbarellatones) Aja West & Cheeba ? ?Alene?s Farm? (from Flash & Snowball) The Minni Thins ? ?Punk Rock Superhero? (From In Black Cause I Asked) Biala ? ?Electric Conversation? (from Life Machine) We Are The Musk Brigade - ?Pedro Is Inspired By Fire? (from Sand Dunes + Beef Balloons/Let Me See Your Moo Flomps) Morricone Youth ? ?Heist? (from Silenzio Violento) C. Goff III - "Vast" (from Beaten & Pureed) La STPO ? ?Armenie? (from Le Combat Occulte) diGBox ? ?Fear? (from Decompression) The Smittens ? ?Tell Al Green? (from A Little Revolution) The Snow Fairies ? ?Slow Death on the Schuylkill? (from Get Married) Sonic Radiation ? ?Shock Wave? (from The 121 Project) Knitting By Twilight ? ?Mr. Santini? (from Someone to Break the Silence) Passiou ? ?Worm? (from Please Don?t Eat Me) C ? ?Lyrics Are Never More Important Than The Music? (from Universum) Sicbay ? ?Lackluster Blooms? (from Suspicious Icons) Valina ? ?Entel Echo? (from Epode) Ticonderoga ? ?Town? (from The Heilig-Levine LP) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #40) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Carrie Shull-Tara Flandreau-Reuben Radding ? ?Echolocation? (from The Branch Will Not Break) Ghaphery/Bivins/Davis ? ?Quite? (from Impermanence) The Drift ? ?Inconsistency Principle? (from Noumena) Renato Rinaldi ? ?Hoarse Frenzy? (excerpt) (from Hoarse Frenzy) Uton ? ?T?m?n Ganan J?lkeen? (excerpt) (from Whispers From The Woods) The Classification of Fishes & Goats ? track 1 (from 6 Fish 3 Goats) Wayne Peet Quartet ? ?Five Swirls? (from Live at Al?s Bar) Tamura+Sharp+Kato+Fuji ? ?Crowing Crab? (excerpt) (from In The Tank) Stefano Pilia ? ?Present Tension? (from Healing Memories and Scattered Times) Ashtray Navigations ? ?The Soul of Man Under Socialism? (from The Love That Whirrs) http://Aural-Innovations.com From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Sun Oct 16 17:30:50 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:30:50 -0400 Subject: take me to your leader Message-ID: bought the dvd version and left it in greece so bought another just cd version from hmv- the sound quality doesnt sound the same, especially on out here we are which becomes fuzzy when the volume is turned up like going to hawaii does - has anyone else noted this- the cd looks like a copy?? From coral at APORT.RU Mon Oct 17 03:52:57 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:52:57 +0400 Subject: take me to your leader Message-ID: You want to say that cd with dvd and single cd edition were made from different masters? Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: take me to your leader > bought the dvd version and left it in greece so bought another just cd > version from hmv- the sound quality doesnt sound the same, especially on > out here we are which becomes fuzzy when the volume is turned up like going > to hawaii does - has anyone else noted this- the cd looks like a copy?? > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 17 07:07:08 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:07:08 +0100 Subject: FAO: Ande Garibaldi - help please? Message-ID: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > > In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:41:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > > What was the tracklist off the TMTYL DVD again? I seem to have an ad > > from C&D for the CD plus extra track (Paradox) where the DVD also has a > > different track listing. > > Spirit of the Age-video > > Silver Machine-live > > The Right to Decide-live > > Spirit of the Age-live > > Psychedelic Warlords-live > Oh, OK, the DVD on the new listing by C&D has: > DVD Track List: > 01. Spirit Of The Age (demo) > 02. Silver Machine (live) > 03. The Right Stuff (live) > 04. Spirit Of The Age (live) > 05. Brainstorm (live) > ---- End of forwarded text ---- Ande: can you please confirm that the DVD on the CD with the extra Paradox track has different tracks and the email ad wasn't in error? Thanks Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 17 07:09:40 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:09:40 +0100 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: Josh Schwartz's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:13:30 EDT Message-ID: Josh Schwartz writes: > Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL with > Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems like > this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > > If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? Here's the email ad I got from C&D: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:46:30 +0100 From: CDS (Sales) To: m.holmes at ed.ac.uk Subject: CDS Hawk News: Imported Ltd Edition Hawkwind Digi-Pak Reply-To: orders at cd-services.com CD SERVICES NEWS 40 - 42 BRANTWOOD AVE DUNDEE DD3 6EW UK Telephone: (+44) 0 1382 776595 Fax: (+44) 0 1382 736702 E-Mail: orders at cd-services.com / info at cd-services.com On-Line Stores: www.cd-services.com In this message... A very LIMITED Fold-Out Digi-Pak version of the new album with a BONUS TRACK & DVD... * Available on pre-order only until the end of October 2005 * HAWKWIND: TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER (Ltd CD+DVD Fold-Out Digi-Pak/Bonus Track - Stock # 416889) IMPORT ONLY - CDDVD ?18.99 - Ltd Offer CDDVD ?15.99 * Offer Price Only Available Until 17th October 2005 * This is a VERY LIMITED FOLD-OUT DIGI-PAK edition available on IMPORT ONLY, with one bonus track on the CD album: 'Paradox 2005', plus a bonus DVD for the 2nd disc. This is limited to only a few hundred copies worldwide, so please order by return if you want copies of this highly collectable piece of Hawkwind merchandise. CD Track List: 01. Spirit Of The Age (6:43) 02. Out Here We Are (5:56) 03. Greenback Massacre (4:14) 04. To Love A Machine (6:01) 05. Take Me To Your Leader (5:50) 06. Digital Nation (5:25) 07. Sunray (3:56) 08. Sighs (1:23) 09. Angela Android (5:08) 10. A Letter To Robert (6:08) 11. 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Please remember that CD Services does not charge your credit card until the day your order is shipped out to you, so placing a pre-order on new releases cost you nothing, and often allows you to take advantage of any pre-release deal price we may be offering on some items. PRICES quoted are in UK Pounds (?) only, and all are inclusive of V.A.T. at the standard UK rate of 17.5%. (Non EEC Customers that are exempt from paying UK taxes should divide the quoted prices by 1.175 to calculate the V.A.T. free prices they will pay). All PRICES are subject to change without prior notice. POSTAGE RATES are as per normal CDS rates for this item in your area in the world. The CD Services Team. From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Mon Oct 17 11:42:19 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:42:19 EDT Subject: take me to your leader Message-ID: no- left the other in greece so cant compare- maybe its my hi-fi playing up again! From management at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Oct 18 11:06:26 2005 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:06:26 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Message-ID: Hello Folks! A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! Fri Nov 4th - Mylos -Thessoloniki - Greece Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece Sun Nov 6th - Larissa - Greece Thurs Dec 15th - Pacific Road Arts Centre - Birkenhead Fri Dec 15th - Manchester Academy Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley Wed Dec 21st - Astoria London (with support from Man) More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 18 11:38:43 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:38:43 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:06:26 +0100 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > Hello Folks! > > A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! > > Fri Nov 4th - Mylos -Thessoloniki - Greece > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > Sun Nov 6th - Larissa - Greece > Thurs Dec 15th - Pacific Road Arts Centre - Birkenhead > Fri Dec 15th - Manchester Academy > Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley Is that Dudley at Newcastle or Dudley at Birmingham? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Oct 18 11:52:30 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:52:30 -0400 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <005601c5d3f5$89732480$5b12bd50@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 16:06 +0100, Hawkwind wrote: > Hello Folks! > > A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece Maybe they could record this one and release it as a live CD under the title, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri, Gagarin 2005-11-05." That should ensure pretty strong sales... ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 18 12:37:10 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:37:10 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > Maybe they could record this one and release it as a live CD under the > title, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri, Gagarin 2005-11-05." That should > ensure pretty strong sales... ;-) I think "Acropolis Now" would be a better title. I'd love to hear a Hawkwind take on "Ride of the Valkyries". FoFP From coral at APORT.RU Tue Oct 18 12:30:05 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:30:05 +0400 Subject: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Message-ID: Greece, that's interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Hello Folks! A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! Fri Nov 4th - Mylos -Thessoloniki - Greece Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece Sun Nov 6th - Larissa - Greece Thurs Dec 15th - Pacific Road Arts Centre - Birkenhead Fri Dec 15th - Manchester Academy Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley Wed Dec 21st - Astoria London (with support from Man) More details soon on Mission Control www.hawkwind.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 18 13:22:35 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:22:35 -0700 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <005601c5d3f5$89732480$5b12bd50@default> Message-ID: For Mike... A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley JB'S (www.jbsdudley.co.uk) 15 Castle Hill Dudley West Midlands DY1 4QF Tel: 01384 253597 Fax: 01384 456525 EMail concerts at jbsdudley.co.uk For Concert Info --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Oct 18 14:58:18 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:58:18 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Message-ID: Here's hoping........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary > Hawkwind writes: > > > Hello Folks! > > > > A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! > > > > Fri Nov 4th - Mylos -Thessoloniki - Greece > > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > > Sun Nov 6th - Larissa - Greece > > Thurs Dec 15th - Pacific Road Arts Centre - Birkenhead > > Fri Dec 15th - Manchester Academy > > Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley > > Is that Dudley at Newcastle or Dudley at Birmingham? > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 17/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 17/10/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Oct 18 14:59:53 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:59:53 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Message-ID: bugger......... Still, they've played Newcastle/Middlesbrough very frequently of late. As I said earlier, here's hoping. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Henderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary > For Mike... > > A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! > > Tues Dec 20 - JBs Dudley > > JB'S (www.jbsdudley.co.uk) > 15 Castle Hill > Dudley > West Midlands > DY1 4QF > Tel: 01384 253597 > Fax: 01384 456525 > EMail concerts at jbsdudley.co.uk For Concert Info > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 17/10/2005 From gg at SIO4.COM Tue Oct 18 16:57:06 2005 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:57:06 +0200 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <005601c5d3f5$89732480$5b12bd50@default> Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > A few Hawkwind tour dates for the winter! > Fri Nov 4th - Mylos -Thessoloniki - Greece > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > Sun Nov 6th - Larissa - Greece uhmmm... and a little pause in Italy for a pizza and a gig? :) From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Oct 18 22:15:04 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:15:04 -0500 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <200510181637.j9IGbAwN007326@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Then you could release the remix version. Acropolis Now Redux ;-) Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:37 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary Paul Mather writes: > > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > Maybe they could record this one and release it as a live CD under the > title, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri, Gagarin 2005-11-05." That should > ensure pretty strong sales... ;-) I think "Acropolis Now" would be a better title. I'd love to hear a Hawkwind take on "Ride of the Valkyries". FoFP From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Wed Oct 19 03:17:34 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:17:34 +0100 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <200510181637.j9IGbAwN007326@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Except Thee Mighty Caesars have beaten 'em to it :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 18 October 2005 17:37 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary > > Paul Mather writes: > > > > Sat Nov 5th - Gagarin - Athens - Greece > > > Maybe they could record this one and release it as a live CD under the > > title, "Bring Me the Head of Yuri, Gagarin 2005-11-05." That should > > ensure pretty strong sales... ;-) > > I think "Acropolis Now" would be a better title. I'd love to hear a > Hawkwind take on "Ride of the Valkyries". > > FoFP From sebastian at WELTON.DE Wed Oct 19 08:17:05 2005 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:17:05 +0200 Subject: HW: A few Hawkwind dates for the diary In-Reply-To: <200510190900.j9J901hr004628@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > I think "Acropolis Now" would be a better title. I'd love to hear a > Hawkwind take on "Ride of the Valkyries". > Paradise Beach - Inner City Unit Seb. From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Wed Oct 19 15:18:47 2005 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:18:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD Message-ID: Keith, I got the copy of the CD you sent me. A million thanks! I'm sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was out of town on business and my wife didn't tell me it came in. In her defense, I forgot to tell her I was expecting anything, so she didn't know it was something as important as a Hawkwind CD. :-) Anyway, I do appreciate the effort! Regards, Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:44 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD > > Keith Henderson wrote:Hey again... > > Ha! Here I went and made Kris bring me a TMTYL promo CD to > Off the Tracks 'cause I was sure my copy went to my defunct > address in CH. (I was sure I changed my details on the > passport page at hawkwind.com, but...) And now here I am back > in Columbus, OH and there's now a second one here waiting for > me. Komisch. > > Anyway, now I've got an extra, and according to protocol, > must offer it to someone on the list who hasn't already got one. > > Please email directly. First one wins. > > Have a nice day...Grakkl > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Wed Oct 19 15:33:13 2005 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:33:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Xtra promo CD Message-ID: Oops. Mea Culpa. That was supposed to go directly to Keith. Regards, Frank (who obviously needs a bit more caffeine at this point) > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Weil Frank-CFW001 > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:19 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD > > Keith, > > I got the copy of the CD you sent me. A million thanks! I'm > sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was out of town on > business and my wife didn't tell me it came in. In her > defense, I forgot to tell her I was expecting anything, so > she didn't know it was something as important as a Hawkwind CD. :-) > > Anyway, I do appreciate the effort! > > Regards, > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Keith Henderson > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:44 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: HW: Xtra promo CD > > > > Keith Henderson wrote:Hey again... > > > > Ha! Here I went and made Kris bring me a TMTYL promo CD to Off the > > Tracks 'cause I was sure my copy went to my defunct address > in CH. (I > > was sure I changed my details on the passport page at hawkwind.com, > > but...) And now here I am back in Columbus, OH and there's now a > > second one here waiting for me. Komisch. > > > > Anyway, now I've got an extra, and according to protocol, > must offer > > it to someone on the list who hasn't already got one. > > > > Please email directly. First one wins. > > > > Have a nice day...Grakkl > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 20 13:38:49 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:38:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <200510131637.j9DGbl1V017895@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:37:47PM +0100, M Holmes typed out: > Jim Reid writes: > > just got my ticket through the pst for the astoria gig. > > travelling down from scotland. > > would love to meet up with any fellow hawkfans while im there > > anyone else going > I'll be there. Assuming I'm paid by then, I'd quite like to go. Slightly confused as to how people know about this, though, there was nothing on Mission Control about it when Jim posted and there's still nothing there now. Am I getting weird cache legacy things? Where is this being advertised? Yours, Jon n/p Mountain, `The Animal Trainer and the Toad' -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 20 13:57:21 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:57:21 +0100 Subject: Julian Cope on BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 05:40:10PM -0400, Albert Bouchard typed out: > Is that THE Julian Cope? Boy, he sure is on Pearlman's dick. I wonder > where he got all his "facts" from. He has some footnotes that make it > seem all scholarly but much of the history is garbled. He criticizes > the band for not knowing what the songs mean and then gets the meaning > of many of them all wrong himself. Pearlman would always refuse to > explain his lyrics to the band or anyone else, feeling that whatever > interpretation someone could come up with was likely to be as good or > better than the one he intended. I think Mr. Cope has just illustrated > his point. I'm always puzzled by Julian Cope's reviews. It's nice to see someone at least write even longer reviews than me, it means I could be worse, but I do wonder quite how much of his spilling-over rock Knowledge comes from the psychedelic glow of certain enlightenment rather than any actual research. He spouts so much trivia that's just wrong that it makes you worry for what you don't know to contradict. And the other thing is that he always takes everything as such a serious statement of intent, it's as if he has no time at all for the idea that someone could do something just because it was silly or funny, it'd have to be either a deep quest for revelation or else a deliberate toying with the absurd in a Zen-like search for truth. There's no scope for just having a laugh in his critical palette. And both these things are weird, because his archaeological work is *cryingly* well-researched, and some of his stuff is really very silly (most of _Navigator_ for example), without any apparent mission to be otherwise. I think he must write his reviews only when really really stoned. They're still a good read, but they don't really tell me half as much about the band as they do about how much Cope has to say about almost anything. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 20 15:11:05 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:11:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: PT marketing (was Re: DVD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 12:02:18PM +0100, Steve Freight typed out: > If you think Hawkind is ridiculous try keeping up with Porcupine Tree (and > Steven Wilson various offshoots) now!! > At least we know which CD's have the anthology / text of... stuff over > again with nothing new. PTree seem to tack at least one extra song or > version of a song onto each format not available on another. Take the early > CD's of say Sky Moves Sideways (now on its 3rd remaster) and vinyl versions > (2 at last count not including the coloured vinyl versions). The IEM album > is being reissued with material from an LP (?15) / CD (?15) / and 5 > different coloured vinyl 12"s (?65) onto a new CD (?15) version and double > LP (?30). Serious money for the collector Now that takes the biscuit as far > as I am concerned but I do know someone who has bought 2 copies of each > version so far and will continue to do so. I've ignored the remasters of the Delerium albums, but I tell you, I'm glad I didn't buy the first ones... I was just looking to see if there was new IEM material on the website the other day and found out about that reissue of the first album. Of course the full irony of that release is not apparent to the non-collector from Steve's post. This album originally came out as a vinyl-only limited edition on Delerium. Then, two years later, Delerium reissued it with a bonus track on CD. (I got this one.) That bonus track then became the B-side of the five-different- colour-versions EP `Escalator to Christmas' Steve mentions. Now the first album is coming out again, with the A-side of that EP on it as well in two different versions. It will therefore have nothing on it that hasn't already been issued in some form at least once, and mostly twice, except a minute and a bit of interview. This is why I delayed so long over getting _In Absentia_, because when the hype machine wound up getting us to order the import in the UK, I figured this would mean that the eventual European release would have bonus stuff on it. And so it transpired. I can't say I blame Steven Wilson, who has over the years realised that he has a fanbase which will snap up limited-issue vinyl recordings of his stuff even if they're of him making raspberry noises down a garden hoseline when he was nine,[1] and therefore sells as much as he can, but I don't have to buy it, and now mostly I don't. PT remain the band I have the most stuff by after Hawkwind, but the duplicate value of a lot of it is pretty high. I'm glad Hawkwind have never cared enough about the market to work out marketing that well. Yours, Jon [1] As far as I know he has not actually issued such a recording. Give it time. ObCD: Tom Waits - _Swordfishtrombones_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Oct 21 05:31:13 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:31:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Radio Exposure Message-ID: Since (to my surprise) this hasn't been mentioned yet... On Stuart Maconie's "Freak Zone" on 6music last Sunday, the featured album was Doremi. You can listen to it via the bbc website (of course) - it's available until the end of this week's broadcast (which is a Harvest records special). TTfn Chrisw ObCD: Chris Rea - Blue Guitars (Mock ye not, this is good stuff!) ============================================= Chris Warburton ============================================= NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 21 06:01:28 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:01:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Radio Exposure Message-ID: I did mention on the "other" list on yahoo but not on here.. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Oct 21 10:15:36 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:15:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Radio Exposure Message-ID: Unfortunately, not all members of this list have access to that list, so it may prove prudent to mention such items on this list too. Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookes" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: HW: Radio Exposure > I did mention on the "other" list on yahoo but not on here.. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/145 - Release Date: 20/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Oct 21 12:26:49 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:26:49 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: at CBGBs tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: in the words of the moody blues, "go now!" I am (literally!) 10 DOLLARS. Jason From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 21 14:58:24 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:58:24 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: at CBGBs tonight In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20051021122437.021ce090@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: I would but since they took away Concorde my chances of getting from Bristol UK to New York in five hours have been diminished. Hope it's a great gig. Say hi to Albert and co. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Scruton Sent: 21 October 2005 17:27 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BRAIN: at CBGBs tonight in the words of the moody blues, "go now!" I am (literally!) 10 DOLLARS. Jason From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Oct 22 20:08:05 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:08:05 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind scheduled for 11th Roadburn Festival Message-ID: [posted on behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers] HAWKWIND SCHEDULED FOR 11TH ROADBURN FESTIVAL, TILBURG, HOLLAND Roadburn's very pleased to announce that Hawkwind will be headlining the 11th Roadburn Festival, Saturday, April 22, 2006, 013 Tilburg-Holland. The band will be playing a one-off show in Europe that weekend. Bevis Frond will also be playing Roadburn 2006 as well as Colour Haze. We hope to confirm The Heads in the next few weeks. Keep checking www.roadburn.com for updates. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 23 03:54:51 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:54:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock & Electronic Cottage Radio Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com October 23, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #136), and The Electronic Cottage (show #17) Tune in to The Electronic Cottage for a chance to win a free Alien Tech CD. See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #136) Dream Machine ? ?Invisible Maze? (excerpt) (from Trilogia) Hawkwind ? ?Greenback Massacre? (From Take Me To Your Leader) TanuTuva ? ?Maevsesi Tutamtuva? (web site download) K?re Jo?o ? ?Kaleidoscope Street? (from K?re Jo?o 2) Paul Chain ? ?Sign From Space Part 2? (from Sign From Space) Day Shift - "The Happy Elephant" (from Imaginary Menagerie) THTX ? ?Supersonic Phoenix? (from Ultimately) Nyl ? ?Nil? (from Nil) Freedom Drive ? ?Fields of the Winds? (from Forty-One Stones) Djam Karet ? ?Pentimento? (from Kinections: The Progday Support CD) The Spacious Mind ? ?Distant, Oh So Far Better Go Right Away? (from Pickin? Berries ?N Playin? Blues: Trastock 07/23/05) The Electronic Cottage (show #17) TUNE IN FOR A CHANCE TO WIN A FREE ALIEN TECH CD The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Alien Tech ? ?Dance at Galaxy?s Edge? (from Xotic Nebula) Bubbledubble ? ?Unconventional Nebula? (Soundclick.com download) Bitrate ? ?Sylvaine? (from NF3) Antony Kalugin ? ?Solarisys? (from Polaris) 9 Volt Haunted House - "Nine-Volt Reduction" (from Second Appropriation) Colorforms ? ?Snshn? (from Colorforms) General Kustard ? ?Chocolates Fell Into My Mouth? (from MSRED) Dwight Ashley & Tim Story ? ?13th Station? (from Standing + Falling) Zone ? ?Chinese Whispers? (from Alien Nature) Hashtronaut ? ?Church of Lambda/Lambda Ritual? (trom The Lambda Variant) http://Aural-Innovations.com From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Oct 24 11:16:53 2005 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:16:53 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: at CBGBs tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >in the words of the moody blues, "go now!" >I am (literally!) >10 DOLLARS. >Jason Sadly, my wife's parents are in town and so we're not going to be able to make the show - which is a real pity. The last CBGB BS gig was great. On the other hand, we are going to see Les Paul tonight, so the evening won't be a total loss. JB From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 25 18:30:59 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) In-Reply-To: <002201c5b707$08936a60$b63a4554@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:28:47PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) I was there, given it's my local, though I was late for stupid reasons and so missed the first band. Of the rest I wrote like this: "I arrived too late to catch Leaden, whom I'm told are a quite proggy metal type of band but who had brought some genuinely tedious fans with them, teeny metallers whose idea of a good dance was to hang their heads over their boots and shake spastically, moving forward till they knocked people over like some strange sightless troll with Parkinson's. So I have no real wish to repair my omission. "This Incident were here from Reading because Obiat, who had been booked, had got some mates to fill their slot when their drummer was discovered to be running a high fever that morning. They were supposed to be like the Melvins, but were a lot more conventional than that. They did have a *fabulous* drummer, most unlikely looking bloke, but also a guitarist with a big mouth and raucous voice, reasonable guitar ability, and a girl bassist who for much of the set wouldn't have missed three of her strings if someone had stolen them, really couldn't sing and who was wearing odd Converse sneakers. I wasn't sure if this was a fashion statement or not. Their music was quite jumpy Nirvana-aimed stuff but with more complexity and shifts between shouting anger and then sudden attacks of indie pastoralism with harmonies. I sort of enjoyed the set but really didn't feel the need for an album, it just wasn't a finished act." A reprobate friend of mine, and currently Cambridge Rocksoc president for some reason, "however did get the album and claims that it confirms what he had suspected, that they do in fact have some really good songs being badly performed. The drummer was fantastic, I repeat. Pity that he kept making space for the others. "Litmus were winging it. When they'd arrived their bass-player had been scarcely able to stand, being with something flu-like. By the time they took the stage he'd been dosed with lots of flu-plus, made to drink a half-carafe of really awful wine, and had a lot of water splashed on his face. Though his singing voice was a bit gone, which robbed them of some definition in the attack as the guitarist and drummer can't carry vocals by themselves, his bass-playing was a lot less careful than usual, and this mostly didn't go wrong but instead propelled them into an even higher-intensity jam space than they usually occupy. They had a crowd of mostly-metallers to please and had most of them moshing or dancing, and grinning evilly at the bass-work. It was probably only me that knew there was something missing, partly because of Martin's vocals being ill and partly because the drummer's double-kick pedal had come to bits, so he was less present than usual. But this only goes to show they have redundancy and panic to exploit in these circumstances, everyone else came away saying it was a blinding gig and I was pretty happy with it also. It's nice when other people get something you've been trying to tell them for months and thank you for making the effort..." Setlist was: Intro ? Psychic Projection You Are Here (with a big jam at the end) Under the Sign Far Beyond Infinity Drive Midweek pub times so no encore, sadly, but they filled the time pretty full. Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Family Tree_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 25 19:18:45 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:18:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: another incisive review by jj but i fear (because of your unsurpassed review accuracy), you may be adopting (unwhittingly ) the clothing of the (enlightened) bigot. and i might take this opportunity to add that, the recording on mini disc (captured by acousticat kev ellis) of the last gig by myself and the most accomplished vocalist in space rock, (jaki windmil) at the royal marine artillery tavern portsmouth, has proved to be worthy of release. now, there are both new and old compositions on this album, there are also covers and rock n roll fillers (this was by nature a pub gig). however it is a damned good album for a live one and it will soon be on sale (i am sending a demo to john for his incisive appraisal...good or bad). one piece of advice for jj: don't expect everything to fall into your preconceptions of what you think it should sound like. this is your one failing. we, the creators of styles, react to reality, and this never conforms with what has gone before. accept and judge as best you can we have only limited time upon this earth - there will be doom - there will be death on scales we have never known. judge trev and jaki windmill, the renowned astrologer, aknowledge this fact. but let us rejoice in our fate and let not those who fear death denigrate the limited time left to our vaunted civilisation. LET THERE BE DOOM HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) > On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:28:47PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > > > >> October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) > > > > I was there, given it's my local, though I was late for stupid > reasons and so missed the first band. Of the rest I wrote like this: > > "I arrived too late to catch Leaden, whom I'm told are a quite > proggy metal type of band but who had brought some genuinely tedious fans > with them, teeny metallers whose idea of a good dance was to hang their > heads over their boots and shake spastically, moving forward till they > knocked people over like some strange sightless troll with Parkinson's. So > I have no real wish to repair my omission. > > "This Incident were here from Reading because Obiat, who had been > booked, had got some mates to fill their slot when their drummer was > discovered to be running a high fever that morning. They were supposed to > be like the Melvins, but were a lot more conventional than that. They did > have a *fabulous* drummer, most unlikely looking bloke, but also a > guitarist with a big mouth and raucous voice, reasonable guitar ability, > and a girl bassist who for much of the set wouldn't have missed three of > her strings if someone had stolen them, really couldn't sing and who was > wearing odd Converse sneakers. I wasn't sure if this was a fashion > statement or not. Their music was quite jumpy Nirvana-aimed stuff but with > more complexity and shifts between shouting anger and then sudden attacks > of indie pastoralism with harmonies. I sort of enjoyed the set but really > didn't feel the need for an album, it just wasn't a finished act." A > reprobate friend of mine, and currently Cambridge Rocksoc president for > some reason, "however did get the album and claims that it confirms what > he had suspected, that they do in fact have some really good songs being > badly performed. The drummer was fantastic, I repeat. Pity that he kept > making space for the others. > > "Litmus were winging it. When they'd arrived their bass-player had > been scarcely able to stand, being with something flu-like. By the time > they took the stage he'd been dosed with lots of flu-plus, made to drink a > half-carafe of really awful wine, and had a lot of water splashed on his > face. Though his singing voice was a bit gone, which robbed them of some > definition in the attack as the guitarist and drummer can't carry vocals > by themselves, his bass-playing was a lot less careful than usual, and > this mostly didn't go wrong but instead propelled them into an even > higher-intensity jam space than they usually occupy. They had a crowd of > mostly-metallers to please and had most of them moshing or dancing, and > grinning evilly at the bass-work. It was probably only me that knew there > was something missing, partly because of Martin's vocals being ill and > partly because the drummer's double-kick pedal had come to bits, so he was > less present than usual. But this only goes to show they have redundancy > and panic to exploit in these circumstances, everyone else came away > saying it was a blinding gig and I was pretty happy with it also. It's > nice when other people get something you've been trying to tell them for > months and thank you for making the effort..." > > Setlist was: > > Intro > ? > Psychic Projection > You Are Here (with a big jam at the end) > Under the Sign > Far Beyond > Infinity Drive > > Midweek pub times so no encore, sadly, but they filled the time > pretty full. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Hawkwind - _Family Tree_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 25 19:40:14 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:40:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: the only appeal of space ritual, and hawkwind, for that matter, is to remind people of their halcyon days - this is one of the things that music is very effective at doing. space ritual are all crap musicians (apart from nik), resting on fragile laurels, but lots of people like that. this is not an age of acceptance of the unusual and when unusual gems appear, they are more often than not, ignored or denigrated. judge trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) > On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:28:47PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > > > >> October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) > > > > I was there, given it's my local, though I was late for stupid > reasons and so missed the first band. Of the rest I wrote like this: > > "I arrived too late to catch Leaden, whom I'm told are a quite > proggy metal type of band but who had brought some genuinely tedious fans > with them, teeny metallers whose idea of a good dance was to hang their > heads over their boots and shake spastically, moving forward till they > knocked people over like some strange sightless troll with Parkinson's. So > I have no real wish to repair my omission. > > "This Incident were here from Reading because Obiat, who had been > booked, had got some mates to fill their slot when their drummer was > discovered to be running a high fever that morning. They were supposed to > be like the Melvins, but were a lot more conventional than that. They did > have a *fabulous* drummer, most unlikely looking bloke, but also a > guitarist with a big mouth and raucous voice, reasonable guitar ability, > and a girl bassist who for much of the set wouldn't have missed three of > her strings if someone had stolen them, really couldn't sing and who was > wearing odd Converse sneakers. I wasn't sure if this was a fashion > statement or not. Their music was quite jumpy Nirvana-aimed stuff but with > more complexity and shifts between shouting anger and then sudden attacks > of indie pastoralism with harmonies. I sort of enjoyed the set but really > didn't feel the need for an album, it just wasn't a finished act." A > reprobate friend of mine, and currently Cambridge Rocksoc president for > some reason, "however did get the album and claims that it confirms what > he had suspected, that they do in fact have some really good songs being > badly performed. The drummer was fantastic, I repeat. Pity that he kept > making space for the others. > > "Litmus were winging it. When they'd arrived their bass-player had > been scarcely able to stand, being with something flu-like. By the time > they took the stage he'd been dosed with lots of flu-plus, made to drink a > half-carafe of really awful wine, and had a lot of water splashed on his > face. Though his singing voice was a bit gone, which robbed them of some > definition in the attack as the guitarist and drummer can't carry vocals > by themselves, his bass-playing was a lot less careful than usual, and > this mostly didn't go wrong but instead propelled them into an even > higher-intensity jam space than they usually occupy. They had a crowd of > mostly-metallers to please and had most of them moshing or dancing, and > grinning evilly at the bass-work. It was probably only me that knew there > was something missing, partly because of Martin's vocals being ill and > partly because the drummer's double-kick pedal had come to bits, so he was > less present than usual. But this only goes to show they have redundancy > and panic to exploit in these circumstances, everyone else came away > saying it was a blinding gig and I was pretty happy with it also. It's > nice when other people get something you've been trying to tell them for > months and thank you for making the effort..." > > Setlist was: > > Intro > ? > Psychic Projection > You Are Here (with a big jam at the end) > Under the Sign > Far Beyond > Infinity Drive > > Midweek pub times so no encore, sadly, but they filled the time > pretty full. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Hawkwind - _Family Tree_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Oct 25 20:58:11 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:58:11 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: It's real alright - and you can get it from CD Services, among others presumably. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Schwartz To: Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: DVD > Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL with > Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems like > this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > > If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? > > -Josh From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Oct 25 21:02:55 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:02:55 +0100 Subject: Ande Garibaldi - help please? Message-ID: All I know is that the CD and DVD will be as before but with a bonus track from one of the CD singles and housed in a special digipak cover - limited to a few hundred either completely or initially. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: FAO: Ande Garibaldi - help please? > ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > > > > In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:41:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > > > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > > > > What was the tracklist off the TMTYL DVD again? I seem to have an ad > > > from C&D for the CD plus extra track (Paradox) where the DVD also has a > > > different track listing. > > > > Spirit of the Age-video > > > Silver Machine-live > > > The Right to Decide-live > > > Spirit of the Age-live > > > Psychedelic Warlords-live > > > Oh, OK, the DVD on the new listing by C&D has: > > > DVD Track List: > > 01. Spirit Of The Age (demo) > > 02. Silver Machine (live) > > 03. The Right Stuff (live) > > 04. Spirit Of The Age (live) > > 05. Brainstorm (live) > > > ---- End of forwarded text ---- > > Ande: can you please confirm that the DVD on the CD with the extra > Paradox track has different tracks and the email ad wasn't in error? > > Thanks > > Mike From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 26 03:46:43 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:46:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) In-Reply-To: <20051025223059.GA4355@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 25 Oct 2005, at 23:30, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) Aw, had I not spaced and missed this was happening, I would have gone. Ah well! Next Cambridge gig :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From management at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Oct 26 04:25:53 2005 From: management at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:25:53 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have Paradox included but the dvd is the same. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:58 AM Subject: Re: DVD > It's real alright - and you can get it from CD Services, among others > presumably. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Schwartz > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: DVD > > >> Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL > with >> Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems >> like >> this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. >> >> If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? >> >> -Josh > From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Oct 26 05:19:34 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:19:34 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: Hi Kris, thanks for the info. Any news yet on any more dates on the tour - especially up here in the North East (Newcastle, Middlesbrough, etc)? Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: DVD > There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have > Paradox included but the dvd is the same. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyberkrel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > It's real alright - and you can get it from CD Services, among others > > presumably. > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Josh Schwartz > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > > >> Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL > > with > >> Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems > >> like > >> this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > >> > >> If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? > >> > >> -Josh > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/148 - Release Date: 25/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/148 - Release Date: 25/10/2005 From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 26 06:22:43 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:22:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: The ? was Earthbound. On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:59 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:28:47PM +0100, Colin Allen typed out: > > > >> October 20th: The Portland Arms, Cambridge (with support TBA) > > > > I was there, given it's my local, though I was late for stupid >reasons and so missed the first band. Of the rest I wrote like this: > > "I arrived too late to catch Leaden, whom I'm told are a quite >proggy metal type of band but who had brought some genuinely tedious fans >with them, teeny metallers whose idea of a good dance was to hang their >heads over their boots and shake spastically, moving forward till they >knocked people over like some strange sightless troll with Parkinson's. So >I have no real wish to repair my omission. > > "This Incident were here from Reading because Obiat, who had been >booked, had got some mates to fill their slot when their drummer was >discovered to be running a high fever that morning. They were supposed to >be like the Melvins, but were a lot more conventional than that. They did >have a *fabulous* drummer, most unlikely looking bloke, but also a >guitarist with a big mouth and raucous voice, reasonable guitar ability, >and a girl bassist who for much of the set wouldn't have missed three of >her strings if someone had stolen them, really couldn't sing and who was >wearing odd Converse sneakers. I wasn't sure if this was a fashion >statement or not. Their music was quite jumpy Nirvana-aimed stuff but with >more complexity and shifts between shouting anger and then sudden attacks >of indie pastoralism with harmonies. I sort of enjoyed the set but really >didn't feel the need for an album, it just wasn't a finished act." A >reprobate friend of mine, and currently Cambridge Rocksoc president for >some reason, "however did get the album and claims that it confirms what >he had suspected, that they do in fact have some really good songs being >badly performed. The drummer was fantastic, I repeat. Pity that he kept >making space for the others. > > "Litmus were winging it. When they'd arrived their bass-player had >been scarcely able to stand, being with something flu-like. By the time >they took the stage he'd been dosed with lots of flu-plus, made to drink a >half-carafe of really awful wine, and had a lot of water splashed on his >face. Though his singing voice was a bit gone, which robbed them of some >definition in the attack as the guitarist and drummer can't carry vocals >by themselves, his bass-playing was a lot less careful than usual, and >this mostly didn't go wrong but instead propelled them into an even >higher-intensity jam space than they usually occupy. They had a crowd of >mostly-metallers to please and had most of them moshing or dancing, and >grinning evilly at the bass-work. It was probably only me that knew there >was something missing, partly because of Martin's vocals being ill and >partly because the drummer's double-kick pedal had come to bits, so he was >less present than usual. But this only goes to show they have redundancy >and panic to exploit in these circumstances, everyone else came away >saying it was a blinding gig and I was pretty happy with it also. It's >nice when other people get something you've been trying to tell them for >months and thank you for making the effort..." > > Setlist was: > >Intro >? >Psychic Projection >You Are Here (with a big jam at the end) >Under the Sign >Far Beyond >Infinity Drive > > Midweek pub times so no encore, sadly, but they filled the time >pretty full. Yours, > Jon > >ObCD: Hawkwind - _Family Tree_ >-- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Oct 26 10:23:27 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:23:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting trev : > the only appeal of [...] hawkwind, for that matter, is to remind > people of their halcyon days Uh, speak for yourself. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Train set and match spied under the blind, shiny and contoured the railway winds. And I've heard the sound from my cousin's bed, the hiss of the train at the railway head. Always the summers are slipping away." Trains - PORCUPINE TREE From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 26 11:03:23 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:03:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Colour Haze & Los Natas; Euro dates incl. UK In-Reply-To: <20050927145013.90235.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 07:50:13AM -0700, Keith Henderson typed out: > Hey Folks...a couple excellent stoner/psych bands making the rounds > soon, Colour Haze from Munich and Los Natas from Argentina. Check 'em > out if you're in the area. > Colour Haze > Fr. 30.9. - UK, Brighton, The Freebut with Josiah + Gorilla I missed this, sadly, though I was in town at the time, I arrived too late to catch Gorilla and only had one contact lens and just didn't think I'd get a d gig experience out of what was left. But... > Los Natas > Fr. 21.10. UK - London, Southern K + The Bendal Interlude + Jecano I did make it to that. It's OFF of course but I thought a short review probably wouldn't annoy people too much. Except maybe Trev :-) Actually getting to the gig was a bit of a voyage. It's some way from any of its nearest tube stations in London terms, and when I got to the Southern K I found someone putting up posters saying the gig had been moved. A double-booking, I was told, but anyway that meant another five minutes hoofing it down the road to The Prince of Wales where a tiny unsoundproofed function room lay bare and empty and I wondered whether I'd come to the wrong place until I went outside and found Jecano's drummer, whom I know slightly, unloading his kit from the van. Quite what had happened here I never found out, but apparently the Southern K management had turfed out the three bands, some time after they'd unloaded, with ten minutes' notice, and thankfully the Prince of Wales had been willing to pick up the gig. Why the Southern K were acting like that I don't know; one of the band members told me it was because they'd seen someone from one of the bands rolling a joint. Complete mess anyway, and the promoters were, um, charmingly amateur, and didn't handle setting up at the other end very well. So it was late starting, and we all had to be careful not to spill beer on the carpets, and the bands not to make too much noise, as no warning had been given to the neighbours... Maybe it was shared adversity then, but it was rather a good little gig. First band on were The Bendal Interlude, whose very short set took me by complete surprise. They did eight songs I think, but none over three minutes. Authentic stoner riffs so on, and even some jamming, but much faster than anyone would have expected, so that the first point of comparison I could think of was Lawnmower Deth. A friend of mine hearing the demo later opined that they owe an awful lot to Iron Monkey, and I have to admit the truth of this, though it pains me because I thought Iron Monkey were very bad. Even here though much faster. Vocalist did his thing, which was quite cookie-monster doom style, through a variety of echo effects controlled by a portable mix desk. Their drummer was all over the kit, moving from pattern to pattern with enviable speed, especially that given his hair he probably couldn't see the kit at all. Guitarist was *just right*; flanger and delay perfectly arranged, never too far over the top, always just where you'd want him, and the bass player was lively and accurate, so all in all they came over very well, lots of crunch and bounce and I bought their EP. They're from Liverpool and deserve gigs. Support, and the main reason Sherman and I were there in some ways, were Jecano, a Slough-based stoner outfit whom we've always violently disagreed on. We agree that their drummer is brilliant, full of snap and zing and such words and rivalling only, well, Richard Chadwick I'd say, for managing to keep time perfectly while doing that much inside it. We also agree that they lack actual songs these days and mostly have unfinished jams instead. We disagree as to whether they ever *had* decent songs--I say they didn't, she says they did--and I get very irritated indeed by the guitarist and singer, whom she mostly ignores. He was singing a lot better this time, I thought, in as much as his throaty scream of a voice was actually mostly hitting the notes as it slid towards and away from them, but his guitar was as irritating as ever. It's not that he's a bad player, anything but, but he shoves so much distortion on it that every note has a feedback rumble hanging off it that robs him of any attack, and makes his impact too soft; it's like being hit with a rubber brick when it could be a baseball bat. If you see what I mean. I saw them once with him playing through someone else's amp and you could hear what he was doing as well as see it, it was much better. Oh well. Anyway, they came on, they jammed for three numbers and they went off, and that was still probably a thirty-five minute set. The jamming is good, if very conventional blues style, and the heaviness is inarguable as is the excellent drumming but it's an act that's going nowhere and in my opinion at least never really went anywhere before. Something of a let-down after The Bendal Interlude. I didn't really know what to expect from Los Natas, because all I really knew was that a stoner-rock mailing list I'd used to be on had thought they were great, which could mean that they were a new Kyuss, or Pantera, or anything in between. In fact the former of those had more to do with their sound. They were more basic and raw than Kyuss, but their general vibe was very much that of the closing parts of _Welcome to Sky Valley_. It wasn't that their songs were like `Space Cadet' or even `Whitewater' but that same sense of desert space and mournfulness pervaded it. Their actual *sound* was probably more like really early Sabbath but the place they were taking it through was very different. I don't think there were any standout numbers; I do remember that the first one seemed to be a suite and they didn't like stopping between numbers anyway, but the general effect was a very soulful trip especially in a tiny space like that, and I was very glad to have seen them. The album Sherman bought (which they also had on vinyl, and if I'd had any money left I'd have got a copy of that just to have that artwork full-size) turns out to be much heavier and low-end and less jammed-out, with the vocals more metallic, and it's quite odd because I wouldn't necessarily have thought these were the same band if you'd played me that and a live recording. I suppose it'll be a while before they're back in the UK, but if they turn up where you are I'd recommend turning out to see what it seems you can't really get any other way. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _Camembert Electrique_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 26 11:15:28 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:15:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Colour Haze & Los Natas; Euro dates incl. UK In-Reply-To: <20051026150323.GG21287@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On 26/10/2005 16:03, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I didn't really know what to expect from Los Natas, because all I > really knew was that a stoner-rock mailing list I'd used to be on had > thought they were great, which could mean that they were a new Kyuss, or > Pantera, or anything in between. [...] > Their actual *sound* was probably more like really early Sabbath but > the place they were taking it through was very different. I listened once to a grimy RealAudio track of their cover of "Paranoid" (I think it was) translated into Spanish (or at least largely translated into Spanish!). Far out. It inspired me to have a go at a Spanish translation of "War Pigs" :) which was no easy task and the result is probably not too good, but I'll have to record it some day .... Los Natas did a HW cover, too, I think .... "Brainstorm"? Not in Spanish, though, AFAICR .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 26 14:04:46 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:04:46 EDT Subject: DVD Message-ID: Thanks for clearing that up Kris. Steve. In a message dated 10/26/2005 09:27:49 GMT Standard Time, management at HAWKWIND.COM writes: There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have Paradox included but the dvd is the same. Kris From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 26 15:02:42 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:02:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: the only appeal of spaceritual and hawkwind, for that matter, is to remind >> people of their halcyon days .yes a bit of a sweeping statement, but for the older lot, glowing memories of euphoria associated with music is one of the prime reasons for liking a particular band - and one often tends to overlook the current stark reality because of this. (this doesn't apply to jj however...) anyway i was a bit drunk when i wrote that...cough! i always associate hawkwind with being involved in a fatal car accident on the way home from a gig in barnstaple - it was the first time i had seen them. trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kuznick" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) > Quoting trev : > >> the only appeal of [...] hawkwind, for that matter, is to remind >> people of their halcyon days > > Uh, speak for yourself. > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "Train set and match spied under the blind, shiny and contoured the > railway > winds. And I've heard the sound from my cousin's bed, the hiss of the > train > at the railway head. Always the summers are slipping away." > Trains - PORCUPINE TREE > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Oct 27 05:08:30 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:08:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep, speak for you self... why did you bother with your sweeping statement, why write if your bombed, its not an excuse.... I don't even like Space Ritual, i found them too fricking amaturish, in a badly rehearsed, un co-ordinated way .. As for Hawkwind, I fricking love them, And its got shag all to do with "halcyon days", Live they cut the mustard, which is what matters to me... I buy the LP's because there are always some gems on them. iain, neither pissed or stoned..... trev wrote on 10/26/2005, 8:02 PM: > the only appeal of spaceritual and hawkwind, for that matter, is to > remind > >> people of their halcyon days > > .yes a bit of a sweeping statement, but for the older lot, glowing > memories > of euphoria associated with music is one of the prime reasons for > liking a > particular band - and one often tends to overlook the current stark > reality > because of this. (this doesn't apply to jj however...) > > anyway i was a bit drunk when i wrote that...cough! > > i always associate hawkwind with being involved in a fatal car > accident on > the way home from a gig in barnstaple - it was the first time i had seen > them. > > trev From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 27 05:20:19 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:20:19 +0100 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: StevePXR5@AOL.COM's message of Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:04:46 EDT Message-ID: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: > There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have > Paradox included but the dvd is the same. I'd have bought it anyway, as a kollector, but I'm dissapointed that C&D's ad was misleading... FoFP From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 27 08:32:31 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:32:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: Hallo Iain, Well, I'm not perfect - no. I agree entirely with your view of Spaceritual. I have always liked Hawkwind but they have never been my favourite band Hawkwind at one stage represented freedom in a society riddled with class injustice and all the rest of the crap that the 60's revolution swept before it. Remember the Roadhawks album cover - a truly inspiring piece of work - it inspired me. I think that musically, Hawkwind are supreme in one particular area - the riff. Take Masters of the Universe guitar riff (thanks Dave Anderson) and many others - these have become classics in the repertoire of so many guitarists. These riffs embody a transcendent trance effect - you can play them over and over and over - and they can take you places. No other band has ever surpassed them in this area (in my humble opinion). Anyway - peace brother. (maybe I should have put a lol at the end of my last message) Trev (Judge) AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) > Yep, > speak for you self... why did you bother with your sweeping statement, > why write if your bombed, its not an excuse.... > > I don't even like Space Ritual, i found them too fricking amaturish, in > a badly rehearsed, un co-ordinated way .. > > As for Hawkwind, I fricking love them, And its got shag all to do with > "halcyon days", Live they cut the mustard, which is what matters to > me... I buy the LP's because there are always some gems on them. > > iain, neither pissed or stoned..... > > > > trev wrote on 10/26/2005, 8:02 PM: > > > the only appeal of spaceritual and hawkwind, for that matter, is to > > remind > > >> people of their halcyon days > > > > .yes a bit of a sweeping statement, but for the older lot, glowing > > memories > > of euphoria associated with music is one of the prime reasons for > > liking a > > particular band - and one often tends to overlook the current stark > > reality > > because of this. (this doesn't apply to jj however...) > > > > anyway i was a bit drunk when i wrote that...cough! > > > > i always associate hawkwind with being involved in a fatal car > > accident on > > the way home from a gig in barnstaple - it was the first time i had seen > > them. > > > > trev > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 27 10:35:20 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:35:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Roadburn Festival 2006 - Holland Message-ID: ++ + STAR WARRIORS ++ + + Just to confirm the band's appearance at Roadburn Festival 2006 Saturday 22nd April Tilburg, Holland Website: http://www.roadburn.com/homepage.html More details on Mission Control asap. Hawkfest 2006 annoncement due in December. + ++ END MESSAGE + ++ + www.hawkwind.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Oct 27 14:37:45 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:37:45 +0400 Subject: DVD Message-ID: When can we expect a release of Hawkfest live cd and DVD from Bergen concert?.. Or any other live release? Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: DVD > There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have > Paradox included but the dvd is the same. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyberkrel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > It's real alright - and you can get it from CD Services, among others > > presumably. > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Josh Schwartz > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > > >> Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of TMTYL > > with > >> Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems > >> like > >> this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > >> > >> If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? > >> > >> -Josh > > > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 27 17:04:38 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:04:38 +0000 Subject: DVD In-Reply-To: <000d01c5db25$85c859e0$ee6efea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: personally ive grown rather weary of the mass of live concert releases available...there was a gap of 7 years between space ritual and live 79(!), apart from the odd live track here and there on studio albums(Hall o.t. m. g./PXR5 etc).Now theres someting out ,every few months..whether its recent or yet another dodgy old live recoding from 33 years ago etc etc... Id much rather see the release of the leftover studio tracks from the last album...and this new project of recording old songs, thats taking place, aopparently...and also the brock/calvert project that is now apparently finished..these all sound far more interesting than yet another glut of live albums! Also, i can understand dave not wanting to undertake lengthy tours anymore..but Greece again??? :-( And then just another small handful of dates here again :-( . The Hawks havent played in this neck of the woods for 8 years, and that was the rather grim Distant horizons tour!Before that it was 1993, as the Alien4 tour of 1995 was very truncated :-( ...so i guess its the trek up to the Astoria AGAIN! Pete ( "magnu,dreamworker in time"...lol..did anyone hear that presenter on five live, after playing that track from the bbc session from 1985?...she couldnt stop laughing! But great to hear that lost classic " theyve got your number") >From: Alisa >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: DVD >Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:37:45 +0400 > >When can we expect a release of Hawkfest live cd and DVD from Bergen >concert?.. Or any other live release? > >Alisa > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hawkwind" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:25 PM >Subject: Re: DVD > > > > There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does >have > > Paradox included but the dvd is the same. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cyberkrel" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:58 AM > > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > > > > It's real alright - and you can get it from CD Services, among others > > > presumably. > > > Andy G. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Josh Schwartz > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > > > > > >> Has anyone actually confirmed that there is a separate edition of >TMTYL > > > with > > >> Paradox tacked on and the two different tracks on the DVD? It seems > > >> like > > >> this could just be sloppy fact-checking on behalf of the advertiser. > > >> > > >> If it has been confirmed, where will I be able to buy this edition? > > >> > > >> -Josh > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Oct 27 20:30:30 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:30:30 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: Errrrrrr........wait for the real reason Mike - can't say anything just yet - but you'll find out here - trust me!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: DVD > StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: > > > > There is NO other version of the DVD. The export version of the CD does have > > Paradox included but the dvd is the same. > > I'd have bought it anyway, as a kollector, but I'm dissapointed that > C&D's ad was misleading... > > FoFP From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 28 00:49:48 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (hAWKWIND r00ls d00d) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:49:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Upcoming Litmus Gigs (and a Space Ritual gig) Message-ID: >...These riffs embody a transcendent trance effect - you can play >them over and over and over - and they can take you places. No other >band has ever surpassed them in this area (in my humble opinion). >... Hearken ye to the words of the Judge, for he knows whereof he speaks. This rock version of Terry Riley-like minimalist repetition is the ultimate contribution of HW to music and one of the things that earns them their place in rock history, not to mention that it makes them worthy to wear the righteous crown of flaming eyes. Parson Sound did it earlier, and almost as good, but they never released any material while they were active so HW was the first in print, even if their official albums didn't fully showcase what they did in a live setting - which is why Text of Festival is so essential. And for worthy modern takes on this, try some of the half-dozen or so recent releases from Acid Mothers Temple and The Cosmic Inferno, now with twin-drum attack, or the awesome Pharaoh Overlord - #1. Stephan From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Oct 29 12:32:12 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:32:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Radio Shows + Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com October 29, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from Magic Cat Radio (show #12), The Atomic Bongload (show #16), which is a Meteor City label Special, and Lo Finest (show #3). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: I just got in a few new releases from the Nasoni label, including the debut LP by Where The Moon Came From, the debut CD by Samovaya, a new 7? vinyl release by Siena Root, and the LP version of the excellent Earthling Society CD, with different artwork than the band released CD had. I?ve also restocked Zone Six ?Live Wired 2004? (CD & LP) which sold out so quickly a couple months ago. I also just got a load of CDs in stock, both old and new, from Meteor City, probably THE best heavy/stoner rock label in the USA. Titles include Spirit Caravan, The Hidden Hand, Spiritu, Black Nasa, Gallery of Mites, Nebula, Blind Dog, Abdullah, Eternal Elysium, The Ribeye Brothers and Orquesta del Desierto. Check out the Meteor City label special on this weeks Atomic Bongload radio show to hear songs from all of them. Magic Cat Radio (show #12) Magic Cat Radio comes to us from Kev Ellis of Buddbledubble, Dr Brown and Magic Cat, and features special live performances from a variety of Psychedelic and Space Rock bands, and anything else that Kev cares to share. The Age - "My Minds Been Pickled" Judge Trev, Jaki Windmill and Kev Ellis - "Beside The Seaside" Burning Wood - "Cold War Over Babylon" Nukli - "Sulpher" Grooveweird - "Jeetu" Judge Trev, Jaki Windmill and Kev Ellis - "The Bucket Song (Raj Neesh)" Carl Cape - "Electric Krishna" The Hashtronaut - "The Lambda Variation (edit)" Dream Aria - "Raindrops" Bubbledubble - "Dub Slider" (live from The Sonic Rock Festival) The Atomic Bongload: Meteor City Label Special (show #16) Meteor City is one of the hottest Stoner and all around Heavy rock labels in the USA. Visit their web site at www.meteorcity.com. Spirit Caravan ? ?Retro Man? (The Last Embrace) The Hidden Hand ? ?The Hidden Hand (Theme)? (from Divine Propaganda) Wooly Mamoth ? ?Mastercut + Charisma? (from Hidden Hand/Wooly Mammoth split CD) Blind Dog ? ?Follow the Fools? (from Captain Dog Rides Again) Abdullah ? ?The Path to Enlightenment? (from Abdullah) Orquesta del Desierto ? ?Quick to Disappear? (from Dos) Black Nasa ? ?Light? (from Deuce) Spiritu ? ?Slump? (from Spiritu) Gallery of Mites ? ?Headless Body, Topless Bar? (from Bugs on the Bluefish) Nebula ? ?Fly On? (from Dos EPs) Eternal Elysium ? ?Floating Downer? (from Spiritualized D) Blind Dog ? ?Wish I Knew Which Side I?m On? (from The Last Adventures of Captain Dog) The Ribeye Brothers ? ?Bootfull of Piss? (from If I Had A Horse ) The Ribeye Brothers ? ?Drinkin? and Stinkin?? (from If I Had A Horse ) Orquesta del Desierto ? ?Waiting for That Star to Fall? (from Orquesta del Desierto) Lo Finest Show #3 (the song as interpreted by home tapers) Lo Finest is a program dedicated to the appreciation of homemade recordings that were made and distributed on cassette tapes during the 1980s and 90s, hosted by veteran home recording artist Charles Rice Goff III. Thousands of sonic artists were cranking out cassettes all over the world during the 80s and 90s. The whole cassette explosion took place long before people had home computers, the internet, email, mp3s, and all that. People found out about hometapers by reading various publications that offered reviews of tapes, by listening to those rare radio broadcasts that would feature home tapes, by sending a letter to a contact address that had been printed on one of the many compilation cassettes that were created and distributed during this period, etc. Most hometapers were not approaching their craft as a means to achieving economic success, and this allowed for some incredibly free thinking endeavors to be realized. Trading tapes was common, offering a sort of sonic cultural exchange that had never really been possible before the age of inexpensive home recording technology. The Rabbit?s Hat ?Wings Of Freedom? (from Shrike Food) Tom Bollinger?s Fetishes ?Lavender Dye? (from Herbicides Or Pesticides) Michael J. Bowman ?Never Suffered For Art? Michael J. Bowman ?Get Down? Heather Perkins ?Kitty In Prison? (from Dangerous Household Objects) Harold Sack Ziegler ?Flat Frog/Entenquak? (from Doublegum Bubbledub) Harold Sack Ziegler ?Mine Is The Time? (from Schnapp Flop Fetz) Lord Litter ?Quite Naturally? (from Quite Naturally) Don Campau ?Welcome To My World? (from Pen Pals 2) Don Campau ?I Had To Call Her? (from Pen Pals 2) John Bartles ?KD Lang Is The Only Man In My Life? (from Born To Lick Salt) John Bartles ?Mangia O Mangia? (from Heathen Dog Likkers From The New World Order) Farces Wanna Mo ?Hey Black Cincinnati? (from Unroyal Nonagons) Farces Wanna Mo ?Shampoo Rinse Repeat? (from Unroyal Nonagons) Turkey Makes Me Sleepy ?Padukem? (from Live October 31, 1997) Bodycocktail ?Pick Me Back Up? (from Smiling Device) Amy Denio ?Vomit A Comet? (from Never Too Old To Pop A Hole) M. Nomized ?Logic Music 1? (from Sample 8) The Bill Jones Show ?I Like The Television? (from The Goatman Of Maryland) The Bill Jones Show ?Wingo The Postcard Man? (from The Goatman Of Maryland) Seiei Jack ?Get Up And Boogie/1999? (from Insane Music For Insane People Volume 16) The Cyderbunny ?Bacteria? (from Return Of The Gone) http://Aural-Innovations.com