From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 1 07:45:57 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:45:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <002c01c51dde$26906670$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On 28-Feb-2005 19:38, Doug Pearson wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible in >>absorbingvocabulary from just about anything it can find :) > > With the most recent large-scale absorbtion probably being from Hindu > during the 18th/19th-century occupation of India (thug, pundit, etc.)? Yeah, probably. American English also borrowed a certain amount from Native American languages and various immigrant languages during that period, some of which has slipped up into global English in the last century. There's also a high incidence of Spanish borrowings in American English, and though a lot of that may be recent, American English has been in contact with Spanish pretty much since the beginning, so it's hard to say there, really .... On 28-Feb-2005 21:40, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Seems to have come full circle then! Since I understand that > Sanskrit is the closest there is to a root language for all the > Indo-European languages including Celtic. Celtic of course > evolving into two families British/Welsh/Breton(& Cornish? - can't > remember offhand) and Irish/Scottish gaelic. Yup, Cornish is P-Celtic -- "southwestern Brittonic", even, being closer to Breton in many respects than it is to Welsh. (Breton is technically an off-shoot of Brittonic, having been introduced to the continent by Brittonic speaking emmigrants skipping out in front of the Germanic-speaking immigrants (if you see what I mean). There's some evidence for the P-Celtic and Q-Celtic distinction on the continental as well (though Continental Celtic has no living descendants): I think Gaulish is understood to have been essentially P-Celtic, and very similar to Brittonic, while the dialects of Iberia show some Q-Celtic affinities. Though perhaps there's really not enough evidence to speak with much confidence on these things .... > Admittedly very > little (if any) British/Welsh gaelic has survived into spoken > English but I think that British 'P' Celtic/Gaelic associations can > still be found in place and landscape names - though mostly in the > West. To be honest I need a placename directory or something to > be able to give convincing examples but I'd suggest Penrith is one. The number of Celtic place-names in England generally increases as one moves away from the south-east, but there are many rivers and streams in all parts of England with Celtic (or perhaps in some cases pre-Celtic) names. Hydronyms seem to resist change more than settlement names. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 1 17:41:09 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Nick Medford wrote: > Anyone else go to KJ's 25th anniversary gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire? I was > there last night, and they were phenomenal. Really, absolutely, totally > incredible. It might just be the best gig I've ever been to. I've seen them > before and they were good, but nothing like that. Last night they just > seemed to be on another plane. Anyone else go? I'd love to know what other > people's experiences were. I was gobsmacked to hear someone on the Tube > afterwards dismissing it as "too contrived", I thought it was anything but. > It was being filmed and I think a DVD release is planned. I went to see the Melvins the night before, and we encountered some friends of ours who'd been to the KJ show that night; sounds as if they chose the wrong night to go... we had a long and protracted argument about who'd been to the better gig (the Melvins did, among other things, cover `I Wanna Hold Your Hand', `The Ballad of Dwight Fry' and `I Wanna Be Your Dog' with David Yeow (not that I knew who he was till afterwards) guesting so we thought, given that they'd also been playing their own stuff, that we had a good case) until the opposing side got as far as revealing that they thought Gong were an awful band, at which point I decided it was safe to discount them as creatures of this modern age of short attention spans whose opinions I might disregard. I think they'd be horrified to know that someone could be into both Gong and Killing Joke... Dammit, why don't BOC or Hawkwind do something and stop me wandering off topic, eh? ObWhen'sTheNewAlbumComingOut... Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Stars Die_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 1 19:15:12 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:15:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:09 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I went to see the Melvins the night before, and we encountered >some friends of ours who'd been to the KJ show that night; sounds as if >they chose the wrong night to go... we had a long and protracted argument >about who'd been to the better gig (the Melvins did, among other things, >cover `I Wanna Hold Your Hand', `The Ballad of Dwight Fry' and `I Wanna Be >Your Dog' with David Yeow (not that I knew who he was till afterwards) >guesting so we thought, given that they'd also been playing their own >stuff, that we had a good case) until the opposing side got as far as >revealing that they thought Gong were an awful band, at which point I >decided it was safe to discount them as creatures of this modern age of >short attention spans whose opinions I might disregard. I think they'd be >horrified to know that someone could be into both Gong and Killing Joke... That would be me then. And it would probably be at least some members of KJ themselves. After all original (and sometime current, but not right now) KJ bassist Martin Glover (aka Youth) went on to become one half of The Orb, who are well known to be huge Gong fans. I'd be equally sure that KJ have at least a passing acquaintance with the classic HW material- as an exercise, dig out yer trusty old copy of KJ's debut album (whaddaya mean ya haven't got it??) and check out "The Wait", specifically the instrumental part at the end. I'm not suggesting it's a steal- it's not- but it's very much in a Hawkwind *style*. Talking of influences, the "support band" on Friday was Alex Paterson of the Orb doing a DJ set, which was an eccentric affair, but in amongst the booming dub and oddball novelty songs he played "Transmission" by Joy Division (another of my favourite bands)- now I've heard this song a good few hundred times I should think, but I had never noticed just how utterly Hawkwind it gets towards the end. Anyway... David Yow, the guy from the Jesus Lizard? They're a band that passed me by at the time, but I heard some recently and was cautiously impressed. Anyone have any thoughts on them? Nick From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 1 21:16:27 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:16:27 -0800 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Jesus Lizard were awesome, so were Scratch Acid. One of the best underrated and influential bands of the 80s. Rock music could use a lot more of someone like David Yow. Nick Medford wrote:On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:09 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I went to see the Melvins the night before, and we encountered >some friends of ours who'd been to the KJ show that night; sounds as if >they chose the wrong night to go... we had a long and protracted argument >about who'd been to the better gig (the Melvins did, among other things, >cover `I Wanna Hold Your Hand', `The Ballad of Dwight Fry' and `I Wanna Be >Your Dog' with David Yeow (not that I knew who he was till afterwards) >guesting so we thought, given that they'd also been playing their own >stuff, that we had a good case) until the opposing side got as far as >revealing that they thought Gong were an awful band, at which point I >decided it was safe to discount them as creatures of this modern age of >short attention spans whose opinions I might disregard. I think they'd be >horrified to know that someone could be into both Gong and Killing Joke... That would be me then. And it would probably be at least some members of KJ themselves. After all original (and sometime current, but not right now) KJ bassist Martin Glover (aka Youth) went on to become one half of The Orb, who are well known to be huge Gong fans. I'd be equally sure that KJ have at least a passing acquaintance with the classic HW material- as an exercise, dig out yer trusty old copy of KJ's debut album (whaddaya mean ya haven't got it??) and check out "The Wait", specifically the instrumental part at the end. I'm not suggesting it's a steal- it's not- but it's very much in a Hawkwind *style*. Talking of influences, the "support band" on Friday was Alex Paterson of the Orb doing a DJ set, which was an eccentric affair, but in amongst the booming dub and oddball novelty songs he played "Transmission" by Joy Division (another of my favourite bands)- now I've heard this song a good few hundred times I should think, but I had never noticed just how utterly Hawkwind it gets towards the end. Anyway... David Yow, the guy from the Jesus Lizard? They're a band that passed me by at the time, but I heard some recently and was cautiously impressed. Anyone have any thoughts on them? Nick --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 2 10:35:53 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:35:53 GMT Subject: The Last Trump In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 11:59:13AM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > > Terrific effort Mike, really deserves a wider audience. > > Well, I've started :-) It's been forwarded to a few friends & > relations already.... Yeah, feel free... > > Maybe you should > > send it off... somewhere... anyone have an idea where? > > The Onion? Can't see them publishing something I just did for a lark. FoFP From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Mar 2 14:47:43 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:47:43 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK news ( URL corrections & Delaware show info) Message-ID: The May 9th show is taking place in Wilmington, not Newark Delaware. The gig is confirmed and promises to be an excellent evening of electronic and spacerock music. Please come out for this very special show. The event is sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Their corrected URL is http://www.tonedeafrecords.com Below is the venue and performer infomation. The program runs from 8-11PM Playing will be:(first act begins at 8PM) SLOTERDIJK is scheduled to take the stage approx 10:15PM Sloterdijk http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com Etchant http://www.soundclick.com/etchant William Fields (DJing) http://www.williamfields.com) Macro Mondays @ 4W5 Cafe Corner of 5th and Market Streets Wilmington, DE (302) 661-0100 all-ages, beer/wine (w/id) full-menu, $3, free parking contact: tric at tonedeafrecords.com Greetings friends, Mike Burro will perform some acoustic numbers at Borders, Books & Music ( Mays Landing, New Jersey), Friday March 9th as part of their monthly songshare evening. As always the event is FREE and brings together various artists from the southern New Jersey area. The music begins at 7:30PM. This will be the first time Mike has played live since mid December, and it should be a good one, mixing some as yet unperformed blues numbers, with a few interpretations of Sloterdijk classics and of course a Hawkwind tune. For complete directions, store phone number etc, please visit: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 Also, Monday May 9th SLOTERDIJK will perform as the final act of a multi artist bill in Newark Delaware.Performing that evening will be William Fields, Etchant & Sloterdijk (see band URLs at the top of this page). This will be an all ages show, however beer & wine will be available for those with proper ID. We are hoping that some of you in the greater Delaware, Maryland areas will come out for this very special evening of music. This show is being sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Check out their site at: http://www.tonedeafrecords.com or write to Casey for up to date information at: tric at tonedeafrecords.com The One Eyed Bishops appear on the new release from Boyarm records entitled: "Il Programma Di Religione" (arm09cd) $8 US ppd The 265 track compilation who's inspiration is derived from the leaders of the Catholic faith. Each Pope is receiving a 15 second long tribute by a unique band in the second installment of Boyarm's "Program" series. Check it out at: http://www.boyarmtownstore.com We are continuing to seek shows between May & September, so if you are interested in booking either band, please contact us directly at: Sloterdijk at msn.com One Eyed Bishops 'Spirit of the Wood' ( Live in England ) specially priced 2 CD set available now! 'Spirit of The Wood' ( Live in England 2004 ) was recorded during the 2004 summer tour. Details of the material, personnel and locations, listed below: Disc 1: Smokestack Lighting ( Burnett ) Around & Around ( Berry ) The Red Rooster ( Burnett/Dixon ) Shorty George ( Leadbetter ) King Bee ( Moore ) Nursery Rhymes ( McDaniel ) Washboard Blues ( Burro ) Muleskinner Blues ( Rogers/Vaughn ) Hootchie Cootchie Man ( Dixon ) Disc 2: Sect Appeal ( Collier ) Who do you love? ( McDaniel ) Cumberland Gap ( traditional, arranged by Burro ) One Ugly Child ( Bright ) Matchbox ( Perkins ) Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) Tracks 1-6 recorded by Colin J. Allen at 'Celebration Fest', Bicester, England: June 12, 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Dan Tilbury: drums, Grunty McNaughton: electric guitar, Andy Redburn: bass/keyboards, Kev Ellis: harmonicas/ backing vocals Tracks 7-10 recorded by Mike Burro at 'The Greenman', Barnet ( Greater London ), June 11th 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Andy Roberts: bass, Mitch 'the harp hog' Logan: harmonicas/vocals on 'Hootchie Cootchie Man', Roger Woods: drums, Paul Hirsh: keyboards Tracks 11-15 recorded by Kev Ellis at 'The RMA Tavern', Portsmouth, June 15th 2004 Mike Burro: electro-acoustic guitar, vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Bob Taylor: bass, Dan Tilbury: drums, Kev Ellis: harmonicas, backing vocals Order info: Price $4.99 each ( all payments must be made in US Dollars ) method of payment: Paypal or U.S, Postal Money Order only!! Paypal payments should be made to Sloterdijk at msn.com by way of http://www.paypal.com Please be sure to select the 'non Ebay' or 'other goods' options, and put the cd title in the body of your ebay payment message, ie 'Spirit of The Wood' Postage and Handling by location: ( if ordering multiple copies, send an e-mail to Sloterdijk at msn.com, for a shipping quote) U.S.A. $2.75 Canada: $2.85 United Kingdom: $4.45 Continental Europe: $4.65 Australia & New Zealand: $4.85 Japan & The Far East: $4.95 all other areas, please send an e-mail inquiry * If you are using a US Postal Money Order, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com for complete mailing information The One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Digital Photos and two short video clips from SLOTERDIJK's November 13th performance at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' ( with Scattered Planets) are now online at: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org Work is scheduled to begin on a new SLOTERDIJK studio CD which we hope to release some time in early to mid autumn. This long awaited followup to 2002's 'Beware The Charlatans' ( I am the 4th Beast), will include contributions and collaborations with science fiction author Michael Moorcock. For those seeking any previous OEB or SLOTERDIJK releases please refer to the discography/pricelist on the 'Press' links page of The OEB site at: http://www.freewebs.com All the very best from SLOTERDIJK & The One Eyed Bishops! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 2 18:51:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:51:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) In-Reply-To: <4222FE03.1080800@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 27-Feb-2005 21:56, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > What's recently been found to be lacking is, > > apart from possibly at Wroxeter, any continuity between this Germanic > > settlement and the subsequent one. Obviously the idea of solkdiers going > > native is a good one, and it surely must have happened; but it's not so > > far been possible to find any place bar Wroxeter where such forces may > > have based which then turned into an Anglo-Saxon settlement. This is > > puzzling a fair few people. > > Maybe it turned out that a good place for an auxiliary garrison was just > not a good place for a farming settlement? Perhaps once the imperial > pay cheques were no longer coming in, the soldiers decided to "get out > of town" and set up somewhere else? It's a theory. Most of these auxiliaries may well have been farming for their keep already, but I don't think, even though this was done elsewhere in the Empire, anyone's ever managed to *prove* it was done in Britain. One theory is of course that they were just withdrawn with the other troops, following the pay... But if they had done as you suggest, I've no idea how we'd go about establishing it archaeologically. Roman military kit in new settlements I guess; but how to tell this from spoil and so on? This sort of thing is why I started working on a filed with evidence :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ (I've been lucky with my listening on these off-topic posts so far... ) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 2 19:50:31 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:50:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) Message-ID: British Roman town planning was rather imposed on the native Britons and, though some of the more wealthy landowning tribal leaders were part way there, the idea of building 'public works' as a bribe to get yourself elected needed quite a lot of direct encouragement from the Roman authorities. Most of the big stone buildings therefore were probably built and owned either by Imperial Rome itself or by landowners based outside Britain who by the late Empire period, were too busy worrying about their Gaulish and Roman estates to bother about their British residences. The British climate being what it is must have led to a fairly rapid decay of most of the stone buildings and without maintenance, money or stone working knowlege town centres may have become very dangerous places and probably best avoided. And when the supply of coinage dried up then land became wealth and the best place a landowner could be was in his house on his country estate with a private army to guard it. So auxiliaries and estate owners that didn't get drawn into the Imperial civil wars (and many of them would have been) and didn't flee to France would have gone back to being local leaders in a countryside of slowly decaying villa estates. The Visigoths (I think I'm correct in this?) attempted to emulate Roman authority and adopted the trappings of Roman power but the Huns weren't even remotely interested in these aspects of Roman civilisation. The steady influx of Anglo-Saxon settlers were also far more interested in land acquisition and generally it seems ignored stone buidings - which by that stage were probably more trouble than they were worth to reconstruct by a culture that did not have any great stone building traditions. In the end it was church leaders and bishops who became guardians of the urban centres and churches that formed the focus of urban survival where it did occur (but not in Britain). Well - at least that's as I understand it from my recent studies! This has travelled a long way from Mountain Grill I fear! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> On 27-Feb-2005 21:56, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > What's recently been found to be lacking is, >> > apart from possibly at Wroxeter, any continuity between this >> > Germanic >> > settlement and the subsequent one. Obviously the idea of >> > solkdiers going >> > native is a good one, and it surely must have happened; but >> > it's not so >> > far been possible to find any place bar Wroxeter where such >> > forces may >> > have based which then turned into an Anglo-Saxon settlement. >> > This is >> > puzzling a fair few people. >> >> Maybe it turned out that a good place for an auxiliary garrison >> was just >> not a good place for a farming settlement? Perhaps once the >> imperial >> pay cheques were no longer coming in, the soldiers decided to >> "get out >> of town" and set up somewhere else? > > It's a theory. Most of these auxiliaries may well have > been > farming for their keep already, but I don't think, even though > this was > done elsewhere in the Empire, anyone's ever managed to *prove* it > was done > in Britain. One theory is of course that they were just withdrawn > with the > other troops, following the pay... But if they had done as you > suggest, > I've no idea how we'd go about establishing it archaeologically. > Roman > military kit in new settlements I guess; but how to tell this > from spoil > and so on? > > This sort of thing is why I started working on a filed > with > evidence :-) Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ (I've been lucky with > my > listening on these off-topic posts so far... ) > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at > students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising > sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good > advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth > century) > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 2 19:52:38 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:52:38 +0000 Subject: Aural Innovations review Ron Tree/Judge Trev album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, trev wrote: > Here it is: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue30/moab01.html Hi Trev, he seems surer of his reaction than I have been! I suddenly understand why you've been having record company indifference to this, none of them would know what on earth to do with it would they? ike Beefheart shouting about how difficult it is to do poetry these days to a crowd full of people shouting for `Booglarize you Baby'. Um, anyway. I wrote some reactions. I shan't post 'em to the list in case you think they aren't the advert you might have wanted, which isn't to say I don't like the album, just that I'm confused by it in about equal measure. Use the text as you like, not that anyone much would see my name as an endorsement, but anyway, here is wot I wrote, or something, yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Valedictory Songs_ MOTHER OF ALL BANDS - _INSECT BRAIN_ I have to say that this album was something of a surprise to me. Knowing bassist Ron Tree's punk background and the way he worked with that in Hawkwind, and owning quite a lot of guitarist Judge Trev'swork with Inner City Unit and The Atomgods, I was expecting high-speed punk. Wasn't this, after all, a band which Terry Ollis had refused to join because they played too fast? Instead, they seem to have borrowed Senser's drummer and that too leads one to think high speed intricacy. Well, this is not what it is, so you may as well shed that idea straight away. This is actually mostly an album of jamming and tone poems. The rhythm section is surprisingly anonymous; Ron's playing is very minimalist one-string stuff for the most part and the drummer is content to sit back and hold things down. Even Judge Trev, though he does let go into impressive soloes when given the chance, and is a fine player in almost any situation, almost seems to have stepped away from the metaphorical mike when he gets his chances. Perhaps this is my imagination, perhaps it's production but nonetheless, with a few notable exceptions, the instruments here are content to stick with a steady straight-ahead approach. This makes the best thing on the disc in some ways one of the two covers, a version of Hawkwind's `Spirit of the Age' which challenges any reading after the original but is of course a song Ron and Trev have been playing a long time now. It falls down rather when faced with material like the Atomgods' `Dolphins ?ber Alles' because here the drummer and bassist don't really know what's missing and how to supply it. The band, then, for some reason which given who's in it is difficult to fathom, is restricting itself to backing work. That leads one on to the question of what's at the front, of course, and the answer, except for a couple of songs sung (really quite well) by Trev, is Ron Tree in possibly his finest ever voice, which may explain things. More controlled than when he was with Hawkwind, equally as riveting in delivery as in his best work with them, and far far better than the last few years' odd contributions to Star Nation and so on have been, the blurb supplied with this preview disc may not underestimate when it says Ron has never performed like this before. Most of the pieces wind up to a vitriol-spitting climax with appropriately frantic guitar and other found noise to match. Thing is, a personal objection maybe, but though the delivery is fabulous, a lot of the words are ones we've heard things like before. By my reckoning Ron has been ranting about insects now for nigh on eight years without ever having had much to say that couldn't be summarised as "Insects! They're all over the place and they're... insectile!" so when the first song (and title) song turns out to be more of this the fact that it's probably his best piece on the subject, and suitably backed with odd and unsettling noises as well as the steady rhythm, doesn't entirely remove the hope that it's also his last. This is not to say it's all like that though. `Insect Brain' is followed by the much stronger `Meat Eater', where Ron runs from a starting position ridiculing red-meat-based diets, making of the `meat-eating man' an inefficient and messy predator sleeping off his vicarious kill, through a brief digression about soldier machismo, through to a marvellous end section begun with the phrase `Uh... can I get a refill?' followed by the words off the side of a bottle. I don't know what he was reading, I think some kind of essential oil compound, but you really really shouldn't drink it and the succession of ever nastier-sounding chemical ingredients and warnings is perhaps the most successfully-unsettling thing I've ever heard him do. Maybe the lesson here is that he should stick to other people's words but it's hard to say that when you remember his stuff on Alan Davey's _Captured Rotation_ and so on. `Meat Eater', in any case, comes back to haunt you a few hours later I find, and the thin chain linking the ideas together and the progress of association is inevitably reminiscent of another song Ron's sung a lot, Hawkwind's `Assassins of Allah'. This is very good stuff and goes a long way to justifying the approach the band have chosen. The other top stand-out track for me is `Precious'. I couldn't really tell you what Ron's going on about here; the point of departure might be Lord of the Rings, but he's off on his own almost immediately. What makes this stand out apart from the apparent vein of inspiration Ron's struck is that for some reason almost alone here the rhythm section woke up and for a few minutes you get to hear drummer and bassist both performing at full strength. The drummer seems to have got a credit here, he deserved one too, it's very good but it does rather leave you wishing it had all been like that. Notable mention also for Judge Trev's `Me' which though it does seem to be a pagan anthem (nothing wrong with that, obviously, that wouldn't be wrong with a Christian one anyway) is really quite a good and far-ranging one. If his solo album _God and Man_ is all this quality I really should own it already. All told though this album reminds me of my reaction to Nick Saloman's Scorched Earth project. That produced a very fine album, but it wasn't the Monster Magnet-like Sabbath-exorcism he was originally talking about. The album I hoped they'd make is still to happen. Here too, I feel sure more could be done with this band than this, which flips between being a Judge Trev solo album and a Ron Tree one. Both are on very good form but they don't seem to really tie up, it doesn't feel like a band, it feels like session work. What they've done will I suspect wear well, and I probably still haven't stressed enough that some bits of it are very good, but is this really what these ingredients produce when mixed in a studio? I never would have guessed, and I'm still rather hoping for a different album even as I find myself spinning this one every few days and catching myself chanting snippets from it in places I probably shouldn't be. -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 2 19:55:42 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:55:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Aural Innovations review Ron Tree/Judge Trev album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah crap, that went to the list, didn't it. I'm an idiot. Sorry Trev. Hopefully not too much of a disaster... Yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Valedictory Songs_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 3 02:22:35 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:22:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:15:12 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:09 +0000, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > >>I think they'd be >>horrified to know that someone could be into both Gong and Killing Joke... > >That would be me then. And it would probably be at least some members of KJ >themselves. After all original (and sometime current, but not right now) KJ >bassist Martin Glover (aka Youth) went on to become one half of The Orb, >who are well known to be huge Gong fans. ( ... and collaborated with Steve Hillage) >I'd be equally sure that KJ have at >least a passing acquaintance with the classic HW material- as an exercise, >dig out yer trusty old copy of KJ's debut album (whaddaya mean ya haven't >got it??) and check out "The Wait", specifically the instrumental part at >the end. I'm not suggesting it's a steal- it's not- but it's very much in a >Hawkwind *style*. Definitely has a vibe similar to that of Hawkwind from the same era (1980, although it really makes me think of the early-80s versions of "Magnu"). And thanks for the recommendation/reminder, I did pull out the first two KJ albums and enjoyed 'em quite a bit, it's been a while. >Talking of influences, the "support band" on Friday was Alex (Orb) Paterson >doing a DJ set, which was an eccentric affair, but in amongst the >booming dub and oddball novelty songs he played "Transmission" by Joy >Division (another of my favourite bands)- now I've heard this song a good >few hundred times I should think, but I had never noticed just how utterly >Hawkwind it gets towards the end. Joy Division have at least a few Hawkwind-like moments. Especially in the rhythm guitar crunch and the synth noises. (I was recently drafted into playing keys/2nd gtr in a Joy Division cover band, which is a TON of fun, getting to pound out stuff like "No Love Lost" and "Shadowplay" on guitar, "Isolation" and "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on keyboards, and stuff like "Insight" on pure synth tones.) >Anyway... David Yow, the guy from the Jesus Lizard? They're a band that >passed me by at the time, but I heard some recently and was cautiously >impressed. Anyone have any thoughts on them? They were a great live band, and Dave Yow is one of the most amazing punk/rock frontmen I've ever seen (easily up there with Henry Rollins and Lux Interior, for instance). The Chrome cover (a medley of "TV As Eyes" and "Abstract Nympho") they put on the B-side of their first 7" was also very cool. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com (Damn, the off-topic conversation has been just *too good* this week!) From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 3 16:36:12 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:36:12 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK news ( URL corrections & Delaware show info) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: One Eyed Bishops ( correction, acoustic performance is FRIDAY, MARCH 12th!!) | | | Inbox Greetings friends, Mike Burro will perform some acoustic numbers at Borders, Books & Music ( Mays Landing, New Jersey), Friday March 12th as part of their monthly songshare evening. As always the event is FREE and brings together various artists from the southern New Jersey area. The music begins at 7:30PM. This will be the first time Mike has played live since mid December, and it should be a good one, mixing some as yet unperformed blues numbers, with a few interpretations of Sloterdijk classics and of course a Hawkwind tune. For complete directions, store phone number etc, please visit: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 Also, Monday May 9th SLOTERDIJK will perform as the final act of a multi artist bill in Newark Delaware. This will be an all ages show, however beer & wine will be available for those with proper ID. We are hoping that some of you in the greater Delaware, Maryland areas will come out for this very special evening of music. Venue information to be announced soon. This show is being sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Check out their site at: http://www.tonedeaf.com or write to Casey for up to date information at: tric at tonedeafrecords.com The One Eyed Bishops appear on the new release from Boyarm records entitled: "Il Programma Di Religione" (arm09cd) $8 US ppd The 265 track compilation who's inspiration is derived from the leaders of the Catholic faith. Each Pope is receiving a 15 second long tribute by a unique band in the second installment of Boyarm's "Program" series. Check it out at: http://www.boyarmtownstore.com We are continuing to seek shows between May & September, so if you are interested in booking either band, please contact us directly at: Sloterdijk at msn.com One Eyed Bishops 'Spirit of the Wood' ( Live in England ) specially priced 2 CD set available now! 'Spirit of The Wood' ( Live in England 2004 ) was recorded during the 2004 summer tour. Details of the material, personnel and locations, listed below: Disc 1: Smokestack Lighting ( Burnett ) Around & Around ( Berry ) The Red Rooster ( Burnett/Dixon ) Shorty George ( Leadbetter ) King Bee ( Moore ) Nursery Rhymes ( McDaniel ) Washboard Blues ( Burro ) Muleskinner Blues ( Rogers/Vaughn ) Hootchie Cootchie Man ( Dixon ) Disc 2: Sect Appeal ( Collier ) Who do you love? ( McDaniel ) Cumberland Gap ( traditional, arranged by Burro ) One Ugly Child ( Bright ) Matchbox ( Perkins ) Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) Tracks 1-6 recorded by Colin J. Allen at 'Celebration Fest', Bicester, England: June 12, 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Dan Tilbury: drums, Grunty McNaughton: electric guitar, Andy Redburn: bass/keyboards, Kev Ellis: harmonicas/ backing vocals Tracks 7-10 recorded by Mike Burro at 'The Greenman', Barnet ( Greater London ), June 11th 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Andy Roberts: bass, Mitch 'the harp hog' Logan: harmonicas/vocals on 'Hootchie Cootchie Man', Roger Woods: drums, Paul Hirsh: keyboards Tracks 11-15 recorded by Kev Ellis at 'The RMA Tavern', Portsmouth, June 15th 2004 Mike Burro: electro-acoustic guitar, vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Bob Taylor: bass, Dan Tilbury: drums, Kev Ellis: harmonicas, backing vocals Order info: Price $4.99 each ( all payments must be made in US Dollars ) method of payment: Paypal or U.S, Postal Money Order only!! Paypal payments should be made to Sloterdijk at msn.com by way of http://www.paypal.com Please be sure to select the 'non Ebay' or 'other goods' options, and put the cd title in the body of your ebay payment message, ie 'Spirit of The Wood' Postage and Handling by location: ( if ordering multiple copies, send an e-mail to Sloterdijk at msn.com, for a shipping quote) U.S.A. $2.75 Canada: $2.85 United Kingdom: $4.45 Continental Europe: $4.65 Australia & New Zealand: $4.85 Japan & The Far East: $4.95 all other areas, please send an e-mail inquiry * If you are using a US Postal Money Order, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com for complete mailing information The One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Digital Photos and two short video clips from SLOTERDIJK's November 13th performance at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' ( with Scattered Planets) are now online at: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org Work is scheduled to begin on a new SLOTERDIJK studio CD which we hope to release some time in early to mid autumn. This long awaited followup to 2002's 'Beware The Charlatans' ( I am the 4th Beast), will include contributions and collaborations with science fiction author Michael Moorcock. For those seeking any previous OEB or SLOTERDIJK releases please refer to the discography/pricelist on the 'Press' links page of The OEB site at: http://www.freewebs.com All the very best from SLOTERDIJK & The One Eyed Bishops! From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 3 16:40:24 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:40:24 +0000 Subject: OEBs: (correction, acoustic performance is FRIDAY, MARCH 12th! not the 9th!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings friends, Mike Burro will perform some acoustic numbers at Borders, Books & Music ( Mays Landing, New Jersey), Friday March 12th as part of their monthly songshare evening. As always the event is FREE and brings together various artists from the southern New Jersey area. The music begins at 7:30PM. This will be the first time Mike has played live since mid December, and it should be a good one, mixing some as yet unperformed blues numbers, with a few interpretations of Sloterdijk classics and of course a Hawkwind tune. For complete directions, store phone number etc, please visit: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 Also, Monday May 9th SLOTERDIJK will perform as the final act of a multi artist bill in Newark Delaware. This will be an all ages show, however beer & wine will be available for those with proper ID. We are hoping that some of you in the greater Delaware, Maryland areas will come out for this very special evening of music. Venue information to be announced soon. This show is being sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Check out their site at: http://www.tonedeaf.com or write to Casey for up to date information at: tric at tonedeafrecords.com The One Eyed Bishops appear on the new release from Boyarm records entitled: "Il Programma Di Religione" (arm09cd) $8 US ppd The 265 track compilation who's inspiration is derived from the leaders of the Catholic faith. Each Pope is receiving a 15 second long tribute by a unique band in the second installment of Boyarm's "Program" series. Check it out at: http://www.boyarmtownstore.com We are continuing to seek shows between May & September, so if you are interested in booking either band, please contact us directly at: Sloterdijk at msn.com One Eyed Bishops 'Spirit of the Wood' ( Live in England ) specially priced 2 CD set available now! 'Spirit of The Wood' ( Live in England 2004 ) was recorded during the 2004 summer tour. Details of the material, personnel and locations, listed below: Disc 1: Smokestack Lighting ( Burnett ) Around & Around ( Berry ) The Red Rooster ( Burnett/Dixon ) Shorty George ( Leadbetter ) King Bee ( Moore ) Nursery Rhymes ( McDaniel ) Washboard Blues ( Burro ) Muleskinner Blues ( Rogers/Vaughn ) Hootchie Cootchie Man ( Dixon ) Disc 2: Sect Appeal ( Collier ) Who do you love? ( McDaniel ) Cumberland Gap ( traditional, arranged by Burro ) One Ugly Child ( Bright ) Matchbox ( Perkins ) Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) Tracks 1-6 recorded by Colin J. Allen at 'Celebration Fest', Bicester, England: June 12, 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Dan Tilbury: drums, Grunty McNaughton: electric guitar, Andy Redburn: bass/keyboards, Kev Ellis: harmonicas/ backing vocals Tracks 7-10 recorded by Mike Burro at 'The Greenman', Barnet ( Greater London ), June 11th 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Andy Roberts: bass, Mitch 'the harp hog' Logan: harmonicas/vocals on 'Hootchie Cootchie Man', Roger Woods: drums, Paul Hirsh: keyboards Tracks 11-15 recorded by Kev Ellis at 'The RMA Tavern', Portsmouth, June 15th 2004 Mike Burro: electro-acoustic guitar, vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Bob Taylor: bass, Dan Tilbury: drums, Kev Ellis: harmonicas, backing vocals Order info: Price $4.99 each ( all payments must be made in US Dollars ) method of payment: Paypal or U.S, Postal Money Order only!! Paypal payments should be made to Sloterdijk at msn.com by way of http://www.paypal.com Please be sure to select the 'non Ebay' or 'other goods' options, and put the cd title in the body of your ebay payment message, ie 'Spirit of The Wood' Postage and Handling by location: ( if ordering multiple copies, send an e-mail to Sloterdijk at msn.com, for a shipping quote) U.S.A. $2.75 Canada: $2.85 United Kingdom: $4.45 Continental Europe: $4.65 Australia & New Zealand: $4.85 Japan & The Far East: $4.95 all other areas, please send an e-mail inquiry * If you are using a US Postal Money Order, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com for complete mailing information The One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Digital Photos and two short video clips from SLOTERDIJK's November 13th performance at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' ( with Scattered Planets) are now online at: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org Work is scheduled to begin on a new SLOTERDIJK studio CD which we hope to release some time in early to mid autumn. This long awaited followup to 2002's 'Beware The Charlatans' ( I am the 4th Beast), will include contributions and collaborations with science fiction author Michael Moorcock. For those seeking any previous OEB or SLOTERDIJK releases please refer to the discography/pricelist on the 'Press' links page of The OEB site at: http://www.freewebs.com All the very best from SLOTERDIJK & The One Eyed Bishops! >From: "Burro Mike" >To: sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, >spacerock at yahoogroups.com, spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, >BCRich78 at comcast.net, AFTERDARK_ST37 at YAHOO.COM, all at payroll-schweiz.ch, >amadden at brad-ex.co.uk, barger58 at comcast.net, bbarnett at jhu.edu, >beeshi at aol.com, bimotarich at aol.com, CallHomeNow at aol.com, >hchorstmann at aol.com, cratylus7 at msn.com, ddevilsangel at hotmail.com, >dixiehead at hotmail.com, dodger at mybasement.net, dornrecyclers at aol.com, >dreamwind69 at hotmail.com, drehner at head-cfa.harvard.edu, elgre at hotmail.com, >byron4d at msn.com, hawkwind at nifty.com, geospy at otenet.gr, >geraldwhitworth at hotmail.com, ghlase at yahoo.com, GildedSplinter at hotmail.com, >greenofgerkin7 at ntlworld.com, gsmithlang at aol.com, jessingram57 at hotmail.com, >joretta4 at aol.com, jperkins at mailcity.com, jwhe10 at sasktel.net, >kbolty at aol.com, kevsmithsplace at btopenworld.com, kevin.com at btinternet.com, >ckwhatrudoin at yahoo.com, BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, lupeo at comcast.net, >nancymca at capital.net, mdusky at noos.fr, mgandalfm at aol.com, MJsocial at aol.com, >mrae at rochester.rr.com, mramberg at ncb.com, nun224 at cox.net, pete at os.net.co.uk, >LISTSERV at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, rancity at comcast.net, rarlegui at retena.com, >rbose at talk21.com, mikereedinusa at yahoo.com, rhanes at gate.net, >Richard2001uk at hotmail.com, RKotlarek at aol.com, rocktown at aol.com, >sautmanreid at prodigy.net, Spiralgalaxy1988 at aol.com, stellamarz at msn.com, >steltman at uiuc.edu, ss7713 at msn.com, swheately at flowgaurd.com, >systememinuit at yahoo.com, js3619 at acmenet.net, voorhees at ntlworld.com, >warrendavis180 at msn.com, bbarnett at jhsph.edu, XbogswampX at aol.com >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com, stewkeymusic at aol.com >Subject: One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK news ( URL corrections & Delaware >show info) >Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:47:43 +0000 > > >The May 9th show is taking place in Wilmington, not Newark Delaware. The >gig is confirmed and promises to be an excellent evening of electronic and >spacerock music. Please come out for this very special show. The event is >sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Their corrected URL is >http://www.tonedeafrecords.com Below is the venue and performer infomation. >The program runs from 8-11PM > >Playing will be:(first act begins at 8PM) SLOTERDIJK is scheduled to take >the stage approx 10:15PM > >Sloterdijk http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk >http://www.freewebs.com >Etchant http://www.soundclick.com/etchant >William Fields (DJing) http://www.williamfields.com) > >Macro Mondays @ >4W5 Cafe >Corner of 5th and Market Streets >Wilmington, DE >(302) 661-0100 > >all-ages, beer/wine (w/id) >full-menu, $3, free parking > >contact: tric at tonedeafrecords.com > >Greetings friends, > >Mike Burro will perform some acoustic numbers at Borders, Books & Music ( >Mays Landing, New Jersey), Friday March 9th as part of their monthly >songshare evening. As always the event is FREE and brings together various >artists from the southern New Jersey area. The music begins at 7:30PM. This >will be the first time Mike has played live since mid December, and it >should be a good one, mixing some as yet unperformed blues numbers, with a >few interpretations of Sloterdijk classics and of course a Hawkwind tune. >For complete directions, store phone number etc, please visit: >http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 > >Also, Monday May 9th SLOTERDIJK will perform as the final act of a multi >artist bill in Newark Delaware.Performing that evening will be William >Fields, Etchant & Sloterdijk (see band URLs at the top of this page). This >will be an all ages show, however beer & wine will be available for those >with proper ID. We are hoping that some of you in the greater Delaware, >Maryland areas will come out for this very special evening of music. This >show is being sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Check out their site at: >http://www.tonedeafrecords.com or write to Casey for up to date information >at: tric at tonedeafrecords.com > >The One Eyed Bishops appear on the new release from Boyarm records >entitled: > >"Il Programma Di Religione" (arm09cd) >$8 US ppd > >The 265 track compilation who's inspiration is derived from the leaders of >the Catholic faith. Each Pope is receiving a 15 second long tribute by a >unique band in the second installment of Boyarm's "Program" series. Check >it out at: http://www.boyarmtownstore.com > >We are continuing to seek shows between May & September, so if you are >interested in booking either band, please contact us directly at: >Sloterdijk at msn.com > > >One Eyed Bishops 'Spirit of the Wood' ( Live in England ) specially priced >2 CD set available now! > >'Spirit of The Wood' ( Live in England 2004 ) was recorded during the 2004 >summer tour. > > >Details of the material, personnel and locations, listed below: > >Disc 1: > >Smokestack Lighting ( Burnett ) > >Around & Around ( Berry ) > >The Red Rooster ( Burnett/Dixon ) > >Shorty George ( Leadbetter ) > >King Bee ( Moore ) > >Nursery Rhymes ( McDaniel ) > >Washboard Blues ( Burro ) > >Muleskinner Blues ( Rogers/Vaughn ) > >Hootchie Cootchie Man ( Dixon ) > > >Disc 2: > >Sect Appeal ( Collier ) > >Who do you love? ( McDaniel ) > >Cumberland Gap ( traditional, arranged by Burro ) > >One Ugly Child ( Bright ) > >Matchbox ( Perkins ) > >Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) > >Tracks 1-6 recorded by Colin J. Allen at 'Celebration Fest', Bicester, >England: June 12, 2004 > >Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Dan >Tilbury: drums, >Grunty McNaughton: electric guitar, Andy Redburn: bass/keyboards, >Kev Ellis: harmonicas/ backing vocals > >Tracks 7-10 recorded by Mike Burro at 'The Greenman', Barnet ( Greater >London ), June 11th 2004 > >Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Andy >Roberts: bass, >Mitch 'the harp hog' Logan: harmonicas/vocals on 'Hootchie Cootchie Man', >Roger Woods: drums, >Paul Hirsh: keyboards > >Tracks 11-15 recorded by Kev Ellis at 'The RMA Tavern', Portsmouth, June >15th 2004 > >Mike Burro: electro-acoustic guitar, vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, >Bob Taylor: bass, >Dan Tilbury: drums, Kev Ellis: harmonicas, backing vocals > >Order info: > >Price $4.99 each ( all payments must be made in US Dollars ) > >method of payment: Paypal or U.S, Postal Money Order only!! > >Paypal payments should be made to Sloterdijk at msn.com by way of >http://www.paypal.com > >Please be sure to select the 'non Ebay' or 'other goods' options, and put >the cd title in the body of your ebay payment message, ie 'Spirit of The >Wood' > >Postage and Handling by location: ( if ordering multiple copies, send an >e-mail to Sloterdijk at msn.com, for a shipping quote) > >U.S.A. $2.75 >Canada: $2.85 >United Kingdom: $4.45 >Continental Europe: $4.65 >Australia & New Zealand: $4.85 >Japan & The Far East: $4.95 >all other areas, please send an e-mail inquiry > >* If you are using a US Postal Money Order, please e-mail >sloterdijk at msn.com for complete mailing information > >The One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > >Digital Photos and two short video clips from SLOTERDIJK's November 13th >performance at >'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' ( with Scattered Planets) are now online at: >http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org > >Work is scheduled to begin on a new SLOTERDIJK studio CD which we hope to >release some time in early to mid autumn. This long awaited followup to >2002's 'Beware The Charlatans' ( I am the 4th Beast), will include >contributions and collaborations with science fiction author Michael >Moorcock. > >For those seeking any previous OEB or SLOTERDIJK releases please refer to >the discography/pricelist on the 'Press' links page of The OEB site at: >http://www.freewebs.com > >All the very best from SLOTERDIJK & The One Eyed Bishops! > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 3 16:53:49 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:53:49 +0000 Subject: Sorry for all the corrections...lack of sleep mates!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To everyone who received our recent news bulletin. I offer my personal apologies for all the corrections and resending it so many times. I've been suffering form a bit of sleep deprivation and have someone helping me put all the info together. The errors were mine, so please accept my apologies for the goof ups. All the info is correct now...Cheers! Mike Burro From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 3 17:02:22 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:02:22 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops & SLOTERDIJK news ( Final corrections..sorry ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The May 9th show is taking place in Wilmington, not Newark Delaware. The gig is confirmed and promises to be an excellent evening of electronic and spacerock music. Please come out for this very special show. The event is sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Their corrected URL is http://www.tonedeafrecords.com Below is the venue and performer infomation. The program runs from 8-11PM Playing will be:(first act begins at 8PM) SLOTERDIJK is scheduled to take the stage approx 10:15PM Sloterdijk http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com Etchant http://www.soundclick.com/etchant William Fields (DJing) http://www.williamfields.com) Macro Mondays @ 4W5 Cafe Corner of 5th and Market Streets Wilmington, DE (302) 661-0100 all-ages, beer/wine (w/id) full-menu, $3, free parking contact: tric at tonedeafrecords.com Greetings friends, Mike Burro will perform some acoustic numbers at Borders, Books & Music ( Mays Landing, New Jersey), Friday March 12th as part of their monthly songshare evening. As always the event is FREE and brings together various artists from the southern New Jersey area. The music begins at 7:30PM. This will be the first time Mike has played live since mid December, and it should be a good one, mixing some as yet unperformed blues numbers, with a few interpretations of Sloterdijk classics and of course a Hawkwind tune. For complete directions, store phone number etc, please visit: http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/store_pg.jsp?storeID=193 Also, Monday May 9th SLOTERDIJK will perform as the final act of a multi artist bill in Newark Delaware.Performing that evening will be William Fields, Etchant & Sloterdijk (see band URLs at the top of this page). This will be an all ages show, however beer & wine will be available for those with proper ID. We are hoping that some of you in the greater Delaware, Maryland areas will come out for this very special evening of music. This show is being sponsored by Tonedeaf Records. Check out their site at: http://www.tonedeafrecords.com or write to Casey for up to date information at: tric at tonedeafrecords.com The One Eyed Bishops appear on the new release from Boyarm records entitled: "Il Programma Di Religione" (arm09cd) $8 US ppd The 265 track compilation who's inspiration is derived from the leaders of the Catholic faith. Each Pope is receiving a 15 second long tribute by a unique band in the second installment of Boyarm's "Program" series. Check it out at: http://www.boyarmtownstore.com We are continuing to seek shows between May & September, so if you are interested in booking either band, please contact us directly at: Sloterdijk at msn.com One Eyed Bishops 'Spirit of the Wood' ( Live in England ) specially priced 2 CD set available now! 'Spirit of The Wood' ( Live in England 2004 ) was recorded during the 2004 summer tour. Details of the material, personnel and locations, listed below: Disc 1: Smokestack Lighting ( Burnett ) Around & Around ( Berry ) The Red Rooster ( Burnett/Dixon ) Shorty George ( Leadbetter ) King Bee ( Moore ) Nursery Rhymes ( McDaniel ) Washboard Blues ( Burro ) Muleskinner Blues ( Rogers/Vaughn ) Hootchie Cootchie Man ( Dixon ) Disc 2: Sect Appeal ( Collier ) Who do you love? ( McDaniel ) Cumberland Gap ( traditional, arranged by Burro ) One Ugly Child ( Bright ) Matchbox ( Perkins ) Hurry On Sundown ( Brock ) Tracks 1-6 recorded by Colin J. Allen at 'Celebration Fest', Bicester, England: June 12, 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Dan Tilbury: drums, Grunty McNaughton: electric guitar, Andy Redburn: bass/keyboards, Kev Ellis: harmonicas/ backing vocals Tracks 7-10 recorded by Mike Burro at 'The Greenman', Barnet ( Greater London ), June 11th 2004 Mike Burro: electric guitar/vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Andy Roberts: bass, Mitch 'the harp hog' Logan: harmonicas/vocals on 'Hootchie Cootchie Man', Roger Woods: drums, Paul Hirsh: keyboards Tracks 11-15 recorded by Kev Ellis at 'The RMA Tavern', Portsmouth, June 15th 2004 Mike Burro: electro-acoustic guitar, vocals, Phil Smith: electric guitar, Bob Taylor: bass, Dan Tilbury: drums, Kev Ellis: harmonicas, backing vocals Order info: Price $4.99 each ( all payments must be made in US Dollars ) method of payment: Paypal or U.S, Postal Money Order only!! Paypal payments should be made to Sloterdijk at msn.com by way of http://www.paypal.com Please be sure to select the 'non Ebay' or 'other goods' options, and put the cd title in the body of your ebay payment message, ie 'Spirit of The Wood' Postage and Handling by location: ( if ordering multiple copies, send an e-mail to Sloterdijk at msn.com, for a shipping quote) U.S.A. $2.75 Canada: $2.85 United Kingdom: $4.45 Continental Europe: $4.65 Australia & New Zealand: $4.85 Japan & The Far East: $4.95 all other areas, please send an e-mail inquiry * If you are using a US Postal Money Order, please e-mail sloterdijk at msn.com for complete mailing information The One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs Digital Photos and two short video clips from SLOTERDIJK's November 13th performance at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' ( with Scattered Planets) are now online at: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org Work is scheduled to begin on a new SLOTERDIJK studio CD which we hope to release some time in early to mid autumn. This long awaited followup to 2002's 'Beware The Charlatans' ( I am the 4th Beast), will include contributions and collaborations with science fiction author Michael Moorcock. For those seeking any previous OEB or SLOTERDIJK releases please refer to the discography/pricelist on the 'Press' links page of The OEB site at: http://www.freewebs.com All the very best from SLOTERDIJK & The One Eyed Bishops! From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 3 18:10:47 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:10:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute Message-ID: This disc has been getting a lot of press lately, it even got a half-page article in the New York Times, but this quote about Frances from an online forum made me sit up and take notice... > ...Pink Floyd with a healthy dose of Lemmy-era Hawkwind, > early Motorhead and a huge mandrax addiction... Anyone actually heard the album, and if so, is the above quote even remotely accurate? Stephan From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Mar 3 18:26:06 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:26:06 -0500 Subject: The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute Message-ID: I just picked up a copy about an hour ago, I listened to first 15 minutes and loved it. Although I've yet to listen to the entire CD (I work in a very quiet office) , it reminds me of King Crimson crossed with Tool crossed with Hawkwind crossed with Primus. Can't wait to get home so that I can listen to it on a decent system. Dan Anyone actually heard the album, and if so, is the above quote even remotely accurate? Stephan From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Mar 4 05:06:38 2005 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:06:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Mars Volta and more Message-ID: I have not heard the new one but I saw them live a few years ago and they were really amazing. It was a total free form jam like feel even though it was really songs they performed. They have a great interaction between the musicians. Recent interviews the band have said the new record wa put together based on improvistation from the previous tours and they are making music only for themselves and don't care about whether people like it or get it. They just played in Sweden and Norway but not denmark (or southern sweden) so I missed them.... Heard it was a great show in Oslo. ......space rock is alive in Denmark though.. we had a full house for the debut of the Oresund Space collective last Friday night. We flew out into space for 3 hours and the people wanted more at 5 in the morning! 2 of every instrument- bass, guitar, drums and synths.... it was fun.... www.oresundspacecollective.com scott From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Mar 4 05:21:18 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:21:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Mars Volta and more In-Reply-To: <6C4C2180C82034499D3755A78D0D12540394202F@exdkba022.novo.dk> Message-ID: On 04-Mar-2005 10:06, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I have not heard the new one but I saw them live a few years ago and > they were really amazing. It was a total free form jam like feel even > though it was really songs they performed. They have a great interaction > between the musicians. Recent interviews the band have said the new > record wa put together based on improvistation from the previous tours > and they are making music only for themselves and don't care about > whether people like it or get it. I read great stuff about Mars Volta on Jambase.com and gather they're gonna be at Bonnaroo this year, but haven't yet actually heard their music! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From asg at MVDBASE.COM Fri Mar 4 06:04:56 2005 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:04:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Mars Volta and more In-Reply-To: <4228369E.80500@carlaz.com> Message-ID: > I read great stuff about Mars Volta on Jambase.com and gather they're > gonna be at Bonnaroo this year, but haven't yet actually heard their music! I've only heard three songs (singles) by them so far and I'm extremely excited about this band. I'm looking forward to buying their CD's. On a side note, one of these songs ("Intertiatic ESP") reminded me SO much of Led Zeppelin, it was eerie. Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 4 09:41:23 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:41:23 GMT Subject: Anyone around Colorado or Chicago? Message-ID: We'll be skiing around Colorado from 12th to 22nd and in Chicago from 23rd to 26th. If anyone wants to ski or meet up, then please email me... Cheers FoFP From chip at PCC.COM Fri Mar 4 10:58:16 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:58:16 -0500 Subject: The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute In-Reply-To: <7E0746BA722BC94FA8F48FAB0DF01B6A846790@ntguslaexs1.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > I just picked up a copy about an hour ago, I listened to first 15 minutes > and loved it. Although I've yet to listen to the entire CD (I work in a > very quiet office) , it reminds me of King Crimson crossed with Tool crossed > with Hawkwind crossed with Primus. Can't wait to get home so that I can > listen to it on a decent system. ...I really enjoy "Deloused in the Comatorium." The only band name missing from the comparisons I've seen here is 'Diamond Head' (for vocal reasons). They really are excellent. -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter Your Practice Just Got Healthier From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Mar 4 11:12:54 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) In-Reply-To: <007a01c51f8b$01ea1380$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 12:50:31AM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > [...] without maintenance, money > or stone working knowlege town centres may have become very > dangerous places and probably best avoided. Not to mention the animate dangers -- thieves, invading armies, etc. > And when the supply of > coinage dried up then land became wealth and the best place a > landowner could be was in his house on his country estate with a > private army to guard it. Much the same happened in Italy, didn't it? As Rome -- empire and city both -- deteriorated, those as could, got the hell out. They retreated to their country villas and began fortifying them against marauders -- the seed of an arms race that would ultimately lead to the mediaeval castles. (At least, so I recall reading once; I don't really know that much about it.) > The Visigoths (I > think I'm correct in this?) attempted to emulate Roman authority > and adopted the trappings of Roman power Or Ostro-, not sure which. Some kind of Goths anyway. > This has travelled a long way from Mountain Grill I fear! Well, that Aelfred Jewel would make a fine addition to Smaug's hoard. And if he happened to flame some pesky dwarves and hobbits who came nosing around, that'd be a Lonely Mountain grill. And if he then decided to make a meal of them, he might wash it down with beer made from Misty Mountain hops. There and back again, ba-dum boom! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 4 12:44:13 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:44:13 -0000 Subject: Aural Innovations review Ron Tree/Judge Trev album Message-ID: As usual John, an accurate review, showing your usual great insight into thing musical. "Insect Brain" is, as you point out a very different baby from Inner City Units edgy lunacy and Atomgods revolutionary head bashing. It can, however take you to places which those other bands never knew existed. I think it works on a subliminal level for which you must be in a state of open acceptance to reach - a bit Nada Yoga-ish. A bit dangerous even. You will find that the snippet chanting will increase, louder, louder, over and over and over again - until - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha hahaha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... I think we might get a deal for it after were all dead. lol Trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Aural Innovations review Ron Tree/Judge Trev album > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, trev wrote: > >> Here it is: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue30/moab01.html > > Hi Trev, > he seems surer of his reaction than I have been! I > suddenly understand why you've been having record company indifference to > this, none of them would know what on earth to do with it would they? ike > Beefheart shouting about how difficult it is to do poetry these days to a > crowd full of people shouting for `Booglarize you Baby'. > > Um, anyway. I wrote some reactions. I shan't post 'em to the list > in case you think they aren't the advert you might have wanted, which > isn't to say I don't like the album, just that I'm confused by it in > about equal measure. Use the text as you like, not that anyone much would > see my name as an endorsement, but anyway, here is wot I wrote, or > something, yours, > Jon > > ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Valedictory Songs_ > > MOTHER OF ALL BANDS - _INSECT BRAIN_ > > I have to say that this album was something of a surprise to me. > Knowing bassist Ron Tree's punk background and the way he worked with that > in Hawkwind, and owning quite a lot of guitarist Judge Trev'swork with > Inner City Unit and The Atomgods, I was expecting high-speed punk. Wasn't > this, after all, a band which Terry Ollis had refused to join because they > played too fast? Instead, they seem to have borrowed Senser's drummer and > that too leads one to think high speed intricacy. > > Well, this is not what it is, so you may as well shed that idea > straight away. This is actually mostly an album of jamming and tone > poems. The rhythm section is surprisingly anonymous; Ron's playing is very > minimalist one-string stuff for the most part and the drummer is content > to sit back and hold things down. Even Judge Trev, though he does let go > into impressive soloes when given the chance, and is a fine player in > almost any situation, almost seems to have stepped away from the > metaphorical mike when he gets his chances. Perhaps this is my > imagination, perhaps it's production but nonetheless, with a few notable > exceptions, the instruments here are content to stick with a steady > straight-ahead approach. This makes the best thing on the disc in some > ways one of the two covers, a version of Hawkwind's `Spirit of the Age' > which challenges any reading after the original but is of course a song > Ron and Trev have been playing a long time now. It falls down rather when > faced with material like the Atomgods' `Dolphins ?ber Alles' because here > the drummer and bassist don't really know what's missing and how to supply > it. The band, then, for some reason which given who's in it is difficult > to fathom, is restricting itself to backing work. > > That leads one on to the question of what's at the front, of > course, and the answer, except for a couple of songs sung (really quite > well) by Trev, is Ron Tree in possibly his finest ever voice, which may > explain things. More controlled than when he was with Hawkwind, equally as > riveting in delivery as in his best work with them, and far far better > than the last few years' odd contributions to Star Nation and so on have > been, the blurb supplied with this preview disc may not underestimate when > it says Ron has never performed like this before. Most of the pieces wind > up to a vitriol-spitting climax with appropriately frantic guitar and > other found noise to match. > > Thing is, a personal objection maybe, but though the delivery is > fabulous, a lot of the words are ones we've heard things like before. By > my reckoning Ron has been ranting about insects now for nigh on eight > years without ever having had much to say that couldn't be summarised as > "Insects! They're all over the place and they're... insectile!" so when > the first song (and title) song turns out to be more of this the fact that > it's probably his best piece on the subject, and suitably backed with odd > and unsettling noises as well as the steady rhythm, doesn't entirely > remove the hope that it's also his last. > > This is not to say it's all like that though. `Insect Brain' is > followed by the much stronger `Meat Eater', where Ron runs from a starting > position ridiculing red-meat-based diets, making of the `meat-eating man' > an inefficient and messy predator sleeping off his vicarious kill, through > a brief digression about soldier machismo, through to a marvellous end > section begun with the phrase `Uh... can I get a refill?' followed by the > words off the side of a bottle. I don't know what he was reading, I think > some kind of essential oil compound, but you really really shouldn't drink > it and the succession of ever nastier-sounding chemical ingredients and > warnings is perhaps the most successfully-unsettling thing I've ever heard > him do. Maybe the lesson here is that he should stick to other people's > words but it's hard to say that when you remember his stuff on Alan > Davey's _Captured Rotation_ and so on. `Meat Eater', in any case, comes > back to haunt you a few hours later I find, and the thin chain linking the > ideas together and the progress of association is inevitably reminiscent > of another song Ron's sung a lot, Hawkwind's `Assassins of Allah'. This is > very good stuff and goes a long way to justifying the approach the band > have chosen. > > The other top stand-out track for me is `Precious'. I couldn't > really tell you what Ron's going on about here; the point of departure > might be Lord of the Rings, but he's off on his own almost > immediately. What makes this stand out apart from the apparent vein of > inspiration Ron's struck is that for some reason almost alone here the > rhythm section woke up and for a few minutes you get to hear drummer and > bassist both performing at full strength. The drummer seems to have got a > credit here, he deserved one too, it's very good but it does rather leave > you wishing it had all been like that. > > Notable mention also for Judge Trev's `Me' which though it does > seem to be a pagan anthem (nothing wrong with that, obviously, that > wouldn't be wrong with a Christian one anyway) is really quite a good and > far-ranging one. If his solo album _God and Man_ is all this quality I > really should own it already. > > All told though this album reminds me of my reaction to Nick > Saloman's Scorched Earth project. That produced a very fine album, but it > wasn't the Monster Magnet-like Sabbath-exorcism he was originally talking > about. The album I hoped they'd make is still to happen. Here too, I feel > sure more could be done with this band than this, which flips between > being a Judge Trev solo album and a Ron Tree one. Both are on very good > form but they don't seem to really tie up, it doesn't feel like a band, it > feels like session work. What they've done will I suspect wear well, and I > probably still haven't stressed enough that some bits of it are very good, > but is this really what these ingredients produce when mixed in a > studio? I never would have guessed, and I'm still rather hoping for a > different album even as I find myself spinning this one every few days and > catching myself chanting snippets from it in places I probably shouldn't > be. > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Mar 4 15:14:59 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:14:59 +0100 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. Message-ID: Hey Folks... (Note: I apologize if the font/punctuation is all screwed up on this message...I've *tried* to make it simplified, but I'm having to use this awful Outlook program that I can't make any sense of. And I don't know what the listserv server will do with all my characters until I see it come back. I did a test mail to myself, and it was OK, so here goes. I still miss doing email by way of DOS as it was in 1990, but then I would have problems dealing with attachments.) Sadly, I learned about this Mars Volta band too late. You see, I learned that they are playing in Zuerich on Monday, and was all ready to go and see if you guys' recommendations were solid (I think they probably are). But, alas, the show is already sold out - what a bummer. And there aren't any other shows near here. Oh well, I'll check out a CD or two and catch them next time. Nektar is playing in Dortmund and Bonn, DE next weekend (11. and 12.3), for those in the area with nothing else to do. I'd like to be there myself, but probably won't happen. I think the Bonn show is for WDR recording and broadcasting at some point in the near future. 'Evolution' is not at all a band album, so hopefully the live shows will be good too. Taff Freeman seems to be permanently out of the band, so it's becoming less and less the original lineup, but as long as Roye is still going, it's still Nektar (more than the Magic is a Child album anyway). I doubt also that I'll go up to Holland for this one-day event (Roadburn...details below). I'm sure it would be worth it, but I hope to see Litmus later in the year (see below), and that was the No. 1 attraction for me. Well, I'd be interested to see what Nik's crew could do as well, natch. Anyway, Munich's ColourHaze is playing here in Switzerland that same weekend, along with another stoner band from Basel (Phased), so I'll probably go to that show instead. Lots of other tours now starting to show up in the schedule. Porcupine Tree Guru Guru Robin Trower UFO Judas Priest Jethro Tull Procol Harum Danzig (?) Black Sabbath (?) I'll catch the first two for sure, and then perhaps a few of the others. I won't be sure until showtimes in many cases, 'cause I'll be effectively homeless during the spring/summer. (Which reminds me, I won't have official email after 1.April here, so I'll only be reachable, and only semi-regularly, via my khenders64 at yahoo.com account afterwards, if anybody cares.) My hope is to last all the way until the end of July at least, where I can catch both central German 'hippie' fests like last year. I imagine that the Kosmos fest will be much improved from the mismanagement of the 2004 version, and it looks to have some really strong bands already. Korai Orom on the list for Herzberg looks like a great choice (perhaps a Friday headliner?), although it's not yet confirmed on their homepage so perhaps they're still talking. Note that actually listed on the korai.hu site is mention of UK tourdates starting on April 16 (though absolutely no specifics are given), so people may want to look out for local announcements there if interested (you should be!). This band called Audience I've never heard of, but it says they're an old 1969-72 classic/prog rock band just now reforming after 30 odd years. Hmmm..*another* one. Can anybody elaborate? Since there are so many language experts here, I was wondering if someone could confirm my suspicion about the (lack of) the English dative. I mean, it occurred to me that the English 'whom' (which is itself now dying a slow death) might be a vestigal linguistic organ of the German (dative case) 'wem.' Is that true? And is that the only such example? Anyway, what other oddities of English are there (e.g., in terms of the various 'cases' that we have to learn in such languages as German) that might be interesting to know, and can put my own language study into some perspective. (Of course, the more German I learn, the more I learn about (how weird is) English. For example, why in the hell do we answer 'Me!' - i.e., a reflexive pronoun - instead of 'I' when answering anything that starts with 'Who wants to...'? The Germans use the obvious personal, nominative case, pronoun in this situation, which made me think.) Oh, by the way, more than a few English words are slipping back into German (or Swiss dialect) the opposite way, you know. 'Ausflippen' is my favorite of these, being that it's half-translated (from 'flip out' obviously). Ein?w?g (Anyway) is used in Swiss German commonly, whereas most 'foreign' words come from French (M?rssi vilmal being a wonderful half-French (Merci), half-German (vielmals) expression). And of course, the German word for female flight attendant is still 'die Stewardess' which is humorously politically incorrect and outdated. 'Flirten' is the verb 'to flirt,' complete with improper German 'i' pronunciation, unbeknownst to me at first. It goes on. Well, that's all I got, I guess. Hope to see some of you this summer, somewhere. I'm off to Croatia in early April probably and then who knows? Hiking/camping in central Europe is not like I expected, but perhaps it's more like what I'm used to up north (Scandinavia) so perhaps once it's warm enough I might head up that way for awhile. If anyone has any more festival recommendations to add to these below, please post them. It may seem early, but I want to have my calendar filled up pretty well before I head out next month. Ciao z?me..Grakkl (FAA) Roadburn Festival, 013 Club, Tilburg, Holland - April 9, 2005 The Space-rock Stage [The Choice]: SPACE RITUAL (Nik Turner, Dave Anderson, Mick Slattery, Terry Ollis, Thomas Crimble, Sam Ollis, John Greaves) BRANT BJORK & THE BROS ASTROSONIQ LITMUS DJ Kozmik Ken [UK] The extra-heavy stage [Kleine Zaal]: ELECTRIC WIZARD HIGH ON FIRE ALABAMA THUNDERPUSSY SUNN 0))) DJ BONG-RA (spinning classic-doom!) The garage rock/heavy 70's stage [Bat Cave]: HULK JOSIAH BLACK MOSES HYPNOS 69 VIC DU MONTE'S IDIOT PRAYER NB: Gorilla was forced to cancel due to their own separate touring plans - Hypnos69 is the replacement Burg Herzberg - July 14-17, 2005 (same place as last year) Current working lineup: Manfred Mann's Earth Band Ten Years After Love with Arthur Lee Big Brother & the Holding Company W.I.N.D. (Italy) Mostly Autumn IQ Audience Anekdoten Jane Epitaph Korai ?rom Colour Haze The Amber Light Kosmos Festival - July 21-24, 2005 (same place as last year*) *known as 'Herzberg goes Wilhelmsthal' (now under new management..thank God!) Current working lineup: Big Brother and the Holding Company (TBC EXTRA!!! Maybe change date and play on the Herzberg Festival) (seems likely given the above..KAH) Birth Control Ramses Arthur Brown Litmus Mr. Quimby's Beard Kozmic Blue Siena Root She's China Trigon Nova Drive Verspielte Zeit Electric Orange Sushimob From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Mar 4 15:17:53 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:17:53 +0100 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. Message-ID: Hey Folks... I wrote... >'Evolution' is not at all a band album, so hopefully the live shows will be good too. *bad* album, I meant to say! Duh. From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Mar 4 15:35:01 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:01 +0100 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. Message-ID: Hey... Well, it could have been worse! I don't know why it put in extra spaces all the way through...that wasn't intentional. And I didn't know all those invisible links were going to be jammed in there either. Stupid software...why can't anything be simple anymore? I swear, the more advanced shit becomes, the worse it is. I ain't a Luddite or anything, just an opponent of needless 'planned obsolescence*,' and against flashy, fancy shit whereas simple and straightforward would be so much more 'kind.' Ein?w?g, uf wiiderlu?g? mitenand Grakkl (FAA) *The only reason I'm using this computer, is that my old NT4.0 was no longer supported by the techies here, and I lost access to the internet last month. And I didn't want to update my machine to this stupid XP for various reasons that I won't go into. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 4 15:40:02 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:40:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Mars Volta and more In-Reply-To: <200503041204.56872.asg@mvdbase.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 12:04 +0100, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > I read great stuff about Mars Volta on Jambase.com and gather they're > > gonna be at Bonnaroo this year, but haven't yet actually heard their music! > > I've only heard three songs (singles) by them so far and I'm extremely excited > about this band. I'm looking forward to buying their CD's. > > On a side note, one of these songs ("Intertiatic ESP") reminded me SO much of > Led Zeppelin, it was eerie. There are a couple of live shows and live DVDs up on the EasyTree BitTorrent site (http://www.easytree.org). I just grabbed the 2005-02-23 Paradiso, Amsterdam show from there, along with a DVD of an appearance at the 2003-08-29 Lowlands Festival in the Netherlands. I've listened to the Paradiso show and give it a thumbs up. The previous comparisons posted here seem fairly accurate. I'm definitely going to hunt out their studio releases, because it'd be great to hear this material recorded properly. (There's usually a lot going on at once, often frenetically so, and the audience recording doesn't really do it justice, IMHO.) You can also apparently grab MP3s of The Mars Volta shows, demos, etc. from http://www.thecomatorium.com/. Take a look in the "media" section of the site. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 4 20:12:08 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:12:08 -0000 Subject: Real Music Club Brighton Message-ID: Wot - No Festivals? Never mind - Come to the Real Music Club. The Marlborough Theatre, Upstairs at the Marlborough Pub - 4 Princes St, Brighton, Sussex Thu 24th March 7.30 -11.00 ?3.00/?4.00 This month featuring: JUDGE TREV AND JAKI WINDMILL (psych/folk from inner city unit/spaceritual vets) THE UNCONTROLLABLES (wild slide blues) FOUR EYES (friendly folk by handsome young men in glasses!) THE UNBELIEVABLES (brighton's extreem noise combo returns...) For full info: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html Hi,Y'all, This is the third of a monthly eclectic music event, featuring Real Festival Music bands and others. The Marlborough Theater is a small cosy venue with a max capacity of 50. For this reason, if you want to be sure of getting in, get there early. REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers to be removed from rfm updates, reply with "unsubscribe" From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Mar 5 05:44:15 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:44:15 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Norway ?? Message-ID: http://www.bergenfest.no/program.asp?vis=04 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Mar 5 13:06:27 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:06:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Electronic Cottage, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com March 5, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #121), Alchemical Radio (show #81), Drool Trough (show #26), and The Electronic Cottage (show #11). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #121) Krel ? ?It?s Alive? (from Out Of Space) Mary Newsletter ? ?Il Colpo e la Croce? (from L?attenzione Debole) Census of Hallucinations ? ?Integration II? (from Nine Lives) Vocokesh ? ?Vibe #2? (from Vibe) Martijn de Kleer - "You Are..." (from So Close Yet So Far Out) Edward Ka-Spel ? ?Alms For Lepers? (from Pieces Of 8) SubArachnoid Space ? ?Duster? (from The Red Veil) Systems Theory ? ?Zero Sum Equation? (from Soundtracks for Imaginary Movies) Black Sun Ensemble ? ?Dove of the Desert? (from Live at KXCI Volume II) Mashed Buddha - "Vibin" (from Subdue Your Mind) Space Debris ? ?We Were at the Moon Before You Were at the Moon? (from Krautrock Sessions 1994-2001) The Electronic Cottage (show #11) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Bubbledubble ? ?Ersa Minor (Electronic Cottage Mix? (from Soundclick.com site) National Holographic ? ?Ports Of Call? (from Star Sailor) Gravanzia ? ?The Pink Light? (from Room 314 Sessions Volume III) Krzysztof Duszkiewicz ? ?Still Nature With A Drowning Body? (from Logarhythmic Seas) Steve Nicholas ? ?Lucid Dream (Remember To Look At Your Hands)? (from A Dream Within A Dream) Aural Perception ? ?Big Bob? (from Aural Perception) Mystified ? ?What The Rest Meant? (from Transient) Nimbus 2000 ? ?Hunting for the Ogopogo? (from Kettle of Fish Walking: Complete Recordings 1999-2003) Just Offshore - "Ocean Storm" (from Just Offshore) Shaman Music 2 ? track 2 (from Sacred Shamanic Sex) Alchemical Radio (show #81) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Paul Bullock ? "What A Bow We?ve Built" Jimmy Sparks & The Mist ? "Light Of Day" Jim Couchenour ? "Smallmouth Bass" H.R. Funk N? Puff ? "Synaesthesia" Jelinek Horst Attila ? "Witch Hunt" The Insane Picnic ? "Magistrates & Saints" Homeland Security ? "Lightin? The Lamp Of Peace" Charles Rice Goff III / Brian Noring / Rick Franecki / Hal McGee ? "Journey Through A Brain" Greg Segal ? "Standard Part 2" Going Some Place ? "Mass Appeal" Geoff Oelsner ? "Rumi" Eric Blakely ? "It?s OK To Be Blue" Flyboy & The Rhythm Bandits ? "Feel The Love In Them Troubled Times (A Blue Funk Groove)" Paul Bullock ? "In The Corner Of The Desk In The Very Same Drawer" Eric Anders ? "How Low And Why" Drool Trough (show #26) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Greg Segal ? ?Time Ghosts 3? (from Adventures Of Forever And Nowhere) Blackloud ? ?Iron Fist? (from 4-Track Demons) Audio Artists ? ?Very Well? (from It Is Sour Data) Sparkwood ? ?D? (from Jalopy Pop) S.Q.E. ? ?Daughters of Albion Awake? (from The Abyss Stares Back) And This Army ? ?The Runaway? (from Doom & Space) Bob Pyle ? ?Egg Salad Sandwiches? (from Apples & Oranges) The Psycho Delmatics - "Tough Guys Can Dance" (from Tough Guys Can Dance) Johnny Casino?s Easy Action ? ?Back at School? (from We?ve Forgotten More Than You?ll Ever Know) Danny McDonald ? ?Amberlene? (from Fibrotones) Walls Of Genius ? ?Sister Schizo? (from Before And After) The Frenchmen ? ?Chemistry Lessons? (from Sorry We Ruined Your Party) The Exile ? ?Zaraisk? (from Ascension) Terry Munday - ?Beyond The Veil Of Ignorance? (from The Human Zone) RPG ? ?Untuck It? (from Full Time) Used Alien Mind ? ?Postcards From Outer Space? (from Positive Mental Theme) The Good Library ? ?Cookin? (from Finnigan?s Bluff EP) Monster Movie ? ?Colder Days? (from To The Moon) Shadow of a Great Name ? ?Fuses? (from Exteriors) Jerry Colburn ? ?Watts For Dinner? (from Smell The Love) http://Aural-Innovations.com From zim594j at TNINET.SE Sat Mar 5 15:38:23 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:38:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Moor homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Moorbase Alpha updated with some new soundsamples and the gallery is now growing. http://web.telia.com/~u51502055/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat Mar 5 16:18:14 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:18:14 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: <421B46E9.6050907@carlaz.com> Message-ID: For the vain among us, Albert has posted some of his fan pics over on Cellsum. There are pics of all the other European gigs too! http://www.cellsum.com/100club.htm Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 22 February 2005 14:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BRAIN: London gig review On 22-Feb-2005 13:25, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 18-Feb-2005 11:54, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > I think John Otway probably counts as a >> > quintessential English tourist attraction for any transatlantic visitors >> > :-) >> >> Perhaps if we want to destroy English tourism forever :) Apologies to >> die hard fans, but as a person who had never encountered John Otway >> before, he's planted himself firmly in my Top 3 Worst Opening Acts of >> All Time list. Whatever you need to appreciate 'im, I clearly ain't got it! > > Wow :-) Who's between him and Magic Michael then? (I mean, I > assume Magic Michael still holds the No. 1 slot... ) I dunno. It's a tough call .... The other act I have to place in the top three was some band I saw opening for Kittie (!) a few years back -- their name, I mercifully forget. They had two drummers, two vocalists (I wouldn't dub them "singers"), a bevy of guitarists, and a bass (at least one). It was not entirely clear to me that the band members were always playing the same song at the same time. In fact, I would go so far as to say there was _damn_ little evidence that they were _ever_ playing the same song at the same time ;) Boy, did they suck! :) And if for some perverse reason they _meant_ it to sound like that, then they double-triple sucked! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Mar 5 17:48:53 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:48:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: <000001c521c8$d7e7b6b0$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 21:18 +0000, Tony wrote: > For the vain among us, Albert has posted some of his fan pics over on > Cellsum. There are pics of all the other European gigs too! > http://www.cellsum.com/100club.htm Ok, fess up now, who's the BOC-Ler wearing the "NetHawks" t-shirt in the bottom photo? (I think it's refreshingly cool for a band to have audience pics on its Web site.) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Mars Volta, Paradiso, Amsterdam, 2005-02-23 -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Mar 5 20:31:20 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:31:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Tour Dates Message-ID: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + Tour dates are now fully updated on Mission Control - more to come over the next few days as ticket retailer details are confirmed..... Dates CONFIRMED so far: (for much more detail see MISSION CONTROL) Wednesday 18th May - Middlesborough, The Empire Venue Location: Corporation Road Middlesbrough Cleveland TS1 2RT Box Office: 0871-22 00 260 Enquiries: 01642-253553 Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 (subject to a booking fee/postage) Doors: 7.30pm _____________________________________________________________ Thursday 19th May - Blackburn, King Georges Hall [website] Venue Location: Northgate Blackburn Lancashire BB2 1AA Box Office: 01254 582582 (Open 9am-5pm Mon-Thurs / 9am-6pm Friday / 10am-4pm Sat) Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) Doors: 7.30pm Online Ticket Sales: [venue] / [Ticketmaster] (subject to a booking fee) Ticketmaster Sales Line: 0870 154 40 40 International 00 44 161 385 3500 ____________________________________________________________ Saturday 21st May - Sheffield, Corporation Venue Location: Milton Street, Sheffield S1 4JU Box Office: 0114 276 0262 Tickets: ?16.50 (adv.) Doors: 7.00pm Online Ticket Sales: [Ticketweb.co.uk] or 08700-600-100 [Wayahead.com] or 0115 912 9000 [Ticketline.co.uk] or 0114 2517000 Tickets are also available in person from: JACKS RECORDS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 2767 093 / NOISE ANNOYS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 2769 177 KICK ASS ANGEL - LONDON ROAD, SHEFFIELD/ MACHINEHEAD (BARNSLEY) 01226 295553 BLUE BANANA (DONCASTER) 01302 321976 / THE BRONX (DRONFIELD) 01246 415300 EXPERIENCE (HULL) 01482 324946 / HELLRAISER RECORDS (LEEDS) 0113 2470800 PICCADILLY BOX OFFICE (MANCHESTER) / VOID (NOTTINGHAM) 0115 9520039 HELLRAISER RECORDS (WAKEFIELD) 01924 201104 HELLRAISER RECORDS (YORK) 01904 673666 (COLLIERGATE/INSIDE PANDEMONIUM) _____________________________________________________________ Sunday 22nd May - Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall [web] Venue Location: North St, Wolverhampton, West Midlands WV1 1RQ Online Sales: (subject to a booking fee) [venue] / [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 Box Office Sales: 01902 552121 Tickets: ?16.00 (adv.) Doors: 7.30pm _____________________________________________________________ Tuesday 23rd May - Nottingham, Rock City [web] Venue Location: 8 Talbot Street, Nottingam, NG1 5GG Venue Ticket Sales: 0115 9588484 (24 hours) / [online sales] Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 Tickets: ?17.25 (adv.) (Online bookings may be subject to a fee) Further Info: 0115-9412544 Doors: 7.30pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Direct Tour Date URL: http://www.hawkwind.com/to_.htm + + ++ ++ + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + + From kkusic at GMAIL.COM Sat Mar 5 22:20:48 2005 From: kkusic at GMAIL.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:20:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Catching up on the list Message-ID: Hello Everyone! Wow. So many good posts lately, here on BOC-L. I've been a member for years but haven't been an active "poster" recently due to school and work demands. My main connection to BOC-L is through the people associated with Aural Innovations. Thanks, Jerry! (I will get to listen to my most recent order of CDs and vinyl, soon.) Thanks to Keith Henderson, too, for his AI and BOC-L contributions. I'm located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which is a couple hours north of Chicago, Illinois. (Still need to meet Arin and Rich, from Chicago, in person.) :-) I'm also the webmaster for a "prog" radio show, www.planetprog.com. The host is a huge Eloy fan and I am, of course, a Hawkwind fan. Past shows can be downloaded from the hosting server, much like the radio shows from AI, execept in .mp3 format. Got to meet the members of Mr Quimby's Beard when they swung through Milwaukee a few years ago and had traveled to Ohio as well, for "Quarkstock." I just changed my BOC-L subscription email to kkusic at gmail.com instead of the old, kkusic at execpc.com. If anyone would like a free invite to this relatively new, free, gmail service from Google, I have 49+ invitations left. Let me know. kkusic at gmail.com gmail info: http://www.gmail.com/ Okay... I have a new part time job repping Epson computer printers on the weekend. Last weekend, I had a customer with a wonderful British accent. I happened to mention that one of my favorite bands was Hawkwind, and the customer, Bruce Gilchrist, told me that his brother, Andrew Gilchrist, was a huge Hawkwind fan and had even travelled around with the group for a while. Is Andrew on the BOC-L list? Does anyone know him? It was just such a cool coincidence to meet someone else here in the US, in the Midwest no less, with a Hawkwind connection in the UK. Oh! I also wanted to respond to the posts regarding "Killing Joke." I also am a Killing Joke fan and had the chance to see them in 2003, the last time they toured Milwaukee. Let's just say, it was "nothing" like the first time I had seen them... maybe 10 years ago, or so. *That* was amazing. The 2003 tour was *not* their best due to illness and too much partying. I'm very glad to hear that they've pulled themselves together again to move forward. Well... I complained to the venue in 2003 and they put me in touch with the band's manager! I think I posted this to BOC-L before, but I was able to get an interview with the band, for another DJ friend who was there, at the "show." I've uploaded the interview again, in case anyone wants to download it: http://www.claim.to/audio/Sat-Nov-15-2003-160200.mp3 This is the 22MB version. I also have it recorded in higher formats but thought this was best, for downloading purposes. Cheers, everyone. Karen From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sat Mar 5 23:33:26 2005 From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:33:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Tour Dates Message-ID: Very exciting-- however, being a resident of the USA, I'm really hoping for a London date since it's easier to get around there as compared with most outlying areas... :-) John Majka > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > + + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + > > Tour dates are now fully updated on Mission Control - more to come > over the next few days as ticket retailer details are confirmed..... > > Dates CONFIRMED so far: (for much more detail see MISSION CONTROL) > > Wednesday 18th May - Middlesborough, The Empire > Venue Location: Corporation Road Middlesbrough Cleveland TS1 2RT > Box Office: 0871-22 00 260 > Enquiries: 01642-253553 > Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) > Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 (subject to a booking > fee/postage) > Doors: 7.30pm > _____________________________________________________________ > Thursday 19th May - Blackburn, King Georges Hall [website] > Venue Location: Northgate Blackburn Lancashire BB2 1AA > Box Office: 01254 582582 (Open 9am-5pm Mon-Thurs / 9am-6pm Friday / > 10am-4pm > Sat) > Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) > Doors: 7.30pm > Online Ticket Sales: [venue] / [Ticketmaster] (subject to a booking fee) > Ticketmaster Sales Line: 0870 154 40 40 International 00 44 161 385 3500 > ____________________________________________________________ > Saturday 21st May - Sheffield, Corporation > Venue Location: Milton Street, Sheffield S1 4JU > Box Office: 0114 276 0262 > Tickets: ?16.50 (adv.) > Doors: 7.00pm > Online Ticket Sales: > [Ticketweb.co.uk] or 08700-600-100 > [Wayahead.com] or 0115 912 9000 > [Ticketline.co.uk] or 0114 2517000 > Tickets are also available in person from: > JACKS RECORDS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 2767 093 / NOISE ANNOYS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 > 2769 177 > KICK ASS ANGEL - LONDON ROAD, SHEFFIELD/ MACHINEHEAD (BARNSLEY) 01226 > 295553 > BLUE BANANA (DONCASTER) 01302 321976 / THE BRONX (DRONFIELD) 01246 415300 > EXPERIENCE (HULL) 01482 324946 / HELLRAISER RECORDS (LEEDS) 0113 2470800 > PICCADILLY BOX OFFICE (MANCHESTER) / VOID (NOTTINGHAM) 0115 9520039 > HELLRAISER RECORDS (WAKEFIELD) 01924 201104 > HELLRAISER RECORDS (YORK) 01904 673666 (COLLIERGATE/INSIDE PANDEMONIUM) > _____________________________________________________________ > Sunday 22nd May - Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall [web] > Venue Location: North St, Wolverhampton, West Midlands WV1 1RQ > Online Sales: (subject to a booking fee) [venue] / [Wayahead] or 0115 912 > 9000 > Box Office Sales: 01902 552121 > Tickets: ?16.00 (adv.) > Doors: 7.30pm > _____________________________________________________________ > Tuesday 23rd May - Nottingham, Rock City [web] > Venue Location: 8 Talbot Street, Nottingam, NG1 5GG > Venue Ticket Sales: 0115 9588484 (24 hours) / [online sales] > Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 > Tickets: ?17.25 (adv.) (Online bookings may be subject to a fee) > Further Info: 0115-9412544 > Doors: 7.30pm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Direct Tour Date URL: > > http://www.hawkwind.com/to_.htm > > > + + ++ ++ + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + + From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Mar 6 06:37:29 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:37:29 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: <1110062933.48704.4.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 05 Mar 2005, at 22:48, Paul Mather wrote: > Ok, fess up now, who's the BOC-Ler wearing the "NetHawks" t-shirt in > the > bottom photo? That's Tim Fulcher -- not currently subscribed, I think, as he's a bit occupied by an imminent first child. Myself and Paola (well, most of Paola's face) to the right of Tim. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Sun Mar 6 06:51:18 2005 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:51:18 -0000 Subject: OT: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: Tommy Vance died this morning at 4am from a stroke. I`m gutted. Tommy's Friday Rock Show introduced me to SO much great music. A great loss. Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 04/03/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Mar 6 07:05:26 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:05:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Spring Tour Dates Message-ID: Theres no Hawkfest 05 listed yet? :-) ---- Rik Rx wrote: > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > + + STAR WARRIORS + ++ + > > Tour dates are now fully updated on Mission Control - more to come > over the next few days as ticket retailer details are confirmed..... > > Dates CONFIRMED so far: (for much more detail see MISSION CONTROL) > > Wednesday 18th May - Middlesborough, The Empire > Venue Location: Corporation Road Middlesbrough Cleveland TS1 2RT > Box Office: 0871-22 00 260 > Enquiries: 01642-253553 > Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) > Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 (subject to a booking fee/postage) > Doors: 7.30pm > _____________________________________________________________ > Thursday 19th May - Blackburn, King Georges Hall [website] > Venue Location: Northgate Blackburn Lancashire BB2 1AA > Box Office: 01254 582582 (Open 9am-5pm Mon-Thurs / 9am-6pm Friday / 10am-4pm > Sat) > Tickets: ?17.50 (adv.) > Doors: 7.30pm > Online Ticket Sales: [venue] / [Ticketmaster] (subject to a booking fee) > Ticketmaster Sales Line: 0870 154 40 40 International 00 44 161 385 3500 > ____________________________________________________________ > Saturday 21st May - Sheffield, Corporation > Venue Location: Milton Street, Sheffield S1 4JU > Box Office: 0114 276 0262 > Tickets: ?16.50 (adv.) > Doors: 7.00pm > Online Ticket Sales: > [Ticketweb.co.uk] or 08700-600-100 > [Wayahead.com] or 0115 912 9000 > [Ticketline.co.uk] or 0114 2517000 > Tickets are also available in person from: > JACKS RECORDS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 2767 093 / NOISE ANNOYS - SHEFFIELD: 0114 > 2769 177 > KICK ASS ANGEL - LONDON ROAD, SHEFFIELD/ MACHINEHEAD (BARNSLEY) 01226 295553 > BLUE BANANA (DONCASTER) 01302 321976 / THE BRONX (DRONFIELD) 01246 415300 > EXPERIENCE (HULL) 01482 324946 / HELLRAISER RECORDS (LEEDS) 0113 2470800 > PICCADILLY BOX OFFICE (MANCHESTER) / VOID (NOTTINGHAM) 0115 9520039 > HELLRAISER RECORDS (WAKEFIELD) 01924 201104 > HELLRAISER RECORDS (YORK) 01904 673666 (COLLIERGATE/INSIDE PANDEMONIUM) > _____________________________________________________________ > Sunday 22nd May - Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall [web] > Venue Location: North St, Wolverhampton, West Midlands WV1 1RQ > Online Sales: (subject to a booking fee) [venue] / [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 > Box Office Sales: 01902 552121 > Tickets: ?16.00 (adv.) > Doors: 7.30pm > _____________________________________________________________ > Tuesday 23rd May - Nottingham, Rock City [web] > Venue Location: 8 Talbot Street, Nottingam, NG1 5GG > Venue Ticket Sales: 0115 9588484 (24 hours) / [online sales] > Online Sales: [Wayahead] or 0115 912 9000 > Tickets: ?17.25 (adv.) (Online bookings may be subject to a fee) > Further Info: 0115-9412544 > Doors: 7.30pm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Direct Tour Date URL: > > http://www.hawkwind.com/to_.htm > > > + + ++ ++ + ++ MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + + From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Mon Mar 7 05:23:55 2005 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:23:55 +0100 Subject: HW Re: Hawkwind in Norway ?? In-Reply-To: <200503061000.j26A00ss024343@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Oh yeah :-) This is gonna get fun! Same venue as Mot?rhead played in december - a large, concrete hall with a long history of bad acoustics. Just ask Iggy. But the Mo'head gig was pretty allright (awright!! ...innit?) sound-wise. The gig is a 3-bands-in-1 package, with Enslaved, We and our favourite space-cadets. The week is a music festival, so it can be worthwile to check out the rest of the list! The last time (and, until now, the only) Hawkwind played in small-town Bergen, they played in front of the big screen in the Konsertpaleet cinema, Lemmy 'n Stacia et al (sans Calvert). The year was 1973, and a friend's dad (me being a youngster of 31) told me that "the road crew was on stage and looked kinda mean. Suddenly they picked up the instruments and started playing. Turned out it was the band themselves...) Question: What can we expect from set list, stage show, light(n)ing etc? Any recent sightings? best, Ketil Svendsen, Bergen Automatic digest processor wrote: > > Subject: > Hawkwind in Norway ?? > From: > "bernhard.pospiech" > Date: > Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:44:15 +0100 > > >http://www.bergenfest.no/program.asp?vis=04 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Mon Mar 7 12:51:35 2005 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:51:35 -0000 Subject: RIP Tommy Vance In-Reply-To: <0daa01c52242$cf2ff620$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: There must be loads of us ex spotty youths who remember the Friday Rock Show. He once name checked me after I'd asked him to play a live recording of a Rush show. I never did win the Friday Night Connection though. I don't remember him playing much Hawkwind but he introduced me to so much good music. Times move on, and Steve Lamacq and more recently Zane Lowe have picked up the banner these days. Still, it feels like the end of an era, or perhaps more realistically the full stop after an era that ended some time ago. John Rennie -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Si Halley Sent: 06 March 2005 11:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OT: RIP Tommy Vance Tommy Vance died this morning at 4am from a stroke. I`m gutted. Tommy's Friday Rock Show introduced me to SO much great music. A great loss. Si "Peace, Love and Armageddon" - New Album By Roxie77 - Out Now from www.roxie77.com ------------ The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk UK Unofficial Alice Cooper Convention: http://www.sickcon.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 04/03/2005 From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Mar 7 13:04:21 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:04:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Tourdates Message-ID: Now that the new bassist and drummer are aboard the mothership, it looks like the band are on a booking spree. The official site has 16 new dates listed as of last Sunday, including their first gig in Rochester, NY since I moved here 8 years ago! http://www.blueoystercult.com/Road-main.html Brian P.S. Does anyone ever listen to their Workshop of the Telescopes best-of set anymore? I was just thinking about it, and I can't remember the last time I gave it a spin. In any case, tonight will be the next. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Mon Mar 7 14:55:49 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:55:49 EST Subject: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: In a message dated 07/03/05 18:06:46 GMT Standard Time, hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK writes: > > There must be loads of us ex spotty youths who remember the Friday Rock > Show. Oh yes indeed! I used to record them all on cassette then put what I liked onto another cassette. Introduced me to lots of great music and superb bands that I would probably not have encountered otherwise. > He once name checked me after I'd asked him to play a live recording > of a Rush show. I never did win the Friday Night Connection though. Neither did I. > I don't remember him playing much Hawkwind but he introduced me to so much > good music. I used to listen to it with my head between the speakers... then one tine he played Orgone Accumulator. From then on I was HOOKED on Hawkwind. I HAD to get this and when I did I was blown into space by that double live LP. And that was it... the beginning of my love of the music of Hawkwind. Also, regarding Tommy and his Friday Rock Show, I still have the Reading broadcast and the studio session that The Hawks did. I put the Reading one onto a CD through a graphic, but didn't get it quite right. I set the bass far too high and it literally vibrates everything through that sub woofer. sounds great, but watch out for falling slates anf windows shattering. Alan Davey would love it :-) > Times move on, and Steve Lamacq and more recently Zane Lowe have > picked up the banner these days. I don't know about Steve Lamacq, but Zane Lowe plays some bloody great music sometimes. Highly recommended for the broad minded. > Still, it feels like the end of an era, or > perhaps more realistically the full stop after an era that ended some time > ago. It's a full stop alright. We can no longer "ROCK WITH TOMMY VANCE" A great shame. Enjoy life, Steve. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 7 16:24:04 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:24:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Nick Medford wrote: > Anyway... David Yow, the guy from the Jesus Lizard? They're a band that > passed me by at the time, but I heard some recently and was cautiously > impressed. Anyone have any thoughts on them? With the Melvins he came over as a man who was losing the fight with his body to retire but wasn't going to admit it. Full of energy but out of breath; apparently in shape but going bald ungracefully. I couldn't really tell you whether he could sing or not, as he was guesting with the Melvins he kept more or less in style which is to say that he was guttural, staccato and more or less monotone. But it was quite fun all the same. Yours, Jon (who fears that he is falling behind with his mail again) ObCD: Jimi Hendrix - _First Rays of the New Rising Sun_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 7 17:21:49 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:21:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) In-Reply-To: <007a01c51f8b$01ea1380$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Jill Strobridge wrote: > And when the supply of > coinage dried up then land became wealth and the best place a > landowner could be was in his house on his country estate with a > private army to guard it. Since most of the coinage that was coming in was paying the army, private soldiery would have been easy to obtain at that point. In fact defensive troops (as distinct from the field army) may have been billeted on major estates for a long time by then, so drawing a line between a `public' army paid for by an aristocrat on behalf of the area in which was he was pre-eminent and a private army of his is really quite hard to draw. I think the only difference was whether they jumped to orders from Rome. Since the orders stopped coming in 410... > So auxiliaries and estate owners that didn't get drawn into the > Imperial civil wars (and many of them would have been) and didn't > flee to France would have gone back to being local leaders in a > countryside of slowly decaying villa estates. The Visigoths (I > think I'm correct in this?) attempted to emulate Roman authority > and adopted the trappings of Roman power but the Huns weren't even > remotely interested in these aspects of Roman civilisation. The > steady influx of Anglo-Saxon settlers were also far more interested > in land acquisition and generally it seems ignored stone buidings - > which by that stage were probably more trouble than they were worth > to reconstruct by a culture that did not have any great stone > building traditions. The Visigoths moved into areas which had a running Roman administration and, seeing how it could help guarantee their status, preserved it as far as they could. Their kings were in particular very keen on maintaining the Roman law in a useful fashion; most early medieval texts of Roman law (which was kind of rediscovered in its full bulk in the twelfth century as society began to need that kind of fine argument again) are based on the summary compilations, or `breviaries', of the Visigothic kings. In Britain it seems unlikely that any such authority survived and so preserving the `state' was a pointless endeavour. The Anglo-Saxon kings ruled over areas small enough that they could enforce obedience personally; the Visigoths were finding themselves able to take over the whole of the South of France, or indeed all of Spain, units which needed delegation if they were to be kept as units. > In the end it was church leaders and bishops who became guardians > of the urban centres and churches that formed the focus of urban > survival where it did occur (but not in Britain). > > Well - at least that's as I understand it from my recent studies! Quite true. In France and what parts of Germany, Austria, Alpine Italy and so on were Roman, the bishop became the obvious figurehead of his community in the absence of any other whose interests were trusted by the people. The presence of the bishop and his administration, limited though it was, more or less guaranteed that towns remained some kind of settlement and economic focus. It's a bit harder to say what was going on in Spain, secular elites may have survived better there. What is noticeable is that in Spain, unlike Gaul, the Church very rapidly saw `barbarian' bishops, or at least, the people who were rising in the Church had Visigothic names as often as not, whether or not that means they were `etnnically' (whatever that mean) Gothic. In Gaul it remained fashionable to act Roman. Interesting to wonder why given that authority structures seem to have survived better in Spain. Um, well, interesting for some anyway. Perhaps I should stop this now :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Bevis Frond - _Hit Squad_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 7 19:23:25 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:23:25 -0500 Subject: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:55:49 EST, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 07/03/05 18:06:46 GMT Standard Time, >hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK writes: > >> >> There must be loads of us ex spotty youths who remember the Friday Rock >> Show. > >Oh yes indeed! Another one here. And I never even really liked Metal. But TV's show was the only place you would *ever* hear the music I did like in my teens- Hawkwind, Zep*, Sabbath, even Jimi Hendrix on occasion, and, to his immense credit, he was the only DJ who dared play any prog-rock in the 80s, when the music press at large had decreed that any music pre-1976 was worthy only of derision (and that it certainly wasn't necessary to actually listen to it before coming to that judgement). I remember hearing a show where he played the all-time top 10 tracks as voted by the listeners- and it took the full two hours to play the 10 songs,as most of them were epics like "Awaken" and "Supper's Ready". Who else had the bottle- or the simple don't-give-a-monkeys philosophy- to play Yes or early Genesis on national radio then? A sad day. He definitely played a part in my coming to know and love the music of HW. Nick *Listers in the US would be amazed at the rarity with which Led Zeppelin are played on British radio. In the States, as far as I can tell, it's federal law that at least one radio station in any tri-state area must be playing Zep at any given time. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 8 02:28:24 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:28:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Workshop o' the Telescopes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07 Mar 2005, at 18:04, Brian Halligan wrote: > P.S. Does anyone ever listen to their Workshop of the Telescopes > best-of set anymore? I was just thinking about it, and I can't remember > the last time I gave it a spin. In any case, tonight will be the next. I do, actually! When I moved back to the UK in 2000, I brought a lot of best-of compilations to save space :) so for BOC I brought that and Imaginos. I've since picked up the remasters of the early albums, but for most of the post-Agents material I still rely on WotT and some AACs I made last time I passed by the big stack of CD crates I have in the States! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Tue Mar 8 07:59:03 2005 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:59:03 EST Subject: BOC: New Tourdates Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:04:21 -0500 From: Brian Halligan Subject: BOC: New Tourdates >>> HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM 3/8/2005 7:59:03 AM >>> Message-ID: Hello, I have been quiet for a long time. Tomorrow night going to see Blackfield (side project with Porcupine Tree main man Steven Wilson) in Boston, and then on the 17th at the same place is Ozric Tentacles. Should be fun. Chris R. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Mar 8 18:33:27 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:33:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Blackfield and Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Chris Raymond : > Hello, I have been quiet for a long time. Tomorrow night going to see > Blackfield (side project with Porcupine Tree main man Steven Wilson) in > Boston, I'll be there too. > and then on the 17th at the same place is Ozric Tentacles. I think I've seen the Ozrics EVERY time they've been to Boston. I may skip this one (though last time Fluttr opened for them, and I wouldn;t have known about them otherwise. They're GREAT). -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 8 22:05:07 2005 From: Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM (Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:05:07 EST Subject: OFF: Blackfield and Ozric Tentacles Message-ID: Does someone have the Blackfield tourdates? Please post. From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Mar 8 22:27:06 2005 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:27:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Blackfield and Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: <128.5826ca49.2f5fc1e3@aol.com> Message-ID: >From the source: --------------------------------- Unfortunately, due to problems obtaining US visas for the full band line up of Blackfield, the March US concerts are not able to take place as planned. Had the problems obtaining the visas been anticipated the shows would never have been confirmed, but as tickets have been selling for the 4 east coast dates, Aviv and SW will instead perform a special unplugged show including Blackfield and solo sets. The dates are: 9th March - Boston, Middle East Club 10th March - NYC, Canal Room 12th March - Grape Street Pub, Philadelphia (early show - 7.30pm) 14th March - Washington DC (Arlington), Iota Club These performances will naturally be much more stripped down and intimate than originally planned, but hopefully all the more special as a result. Many apologies to all those who were looking forward to the full Blackfield band show, but on this occasion despite everyone's best efforts, it proved impossible to proceed with the tour in this way. In the meantime there is a possibility that the full Blackfield band will be special guests at some of the Porcupine Tree US shows in May-June. ------------------------------- Chris R. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ilovemylife801 at AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Blackfield and Ozric Tentacles Does someone have the Blackfield tourdates? Please post. From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Mar 8 22:33:00 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:33:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Blackfield and Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Chris Raymond : > From the source: > --------------------------------- > > Unfortunately, due to problems obtaining US visas for the full band line up > of Blackfield, the March US concerts are not able to take place as planned. > Had the problems obtaining the visas been anticipated the shows would never > have been confirmed, but as tickets have been selling for the 4 east coast > dates, Aviv and SW will instead perform a special unplugged show including > Blackfield and solo sets. Though it turns out Jordan Rudess from Dream Theater will be playing keyboards with them as well. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 9 07:45:45 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:45:45 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Al's kit Message-ID: I was checking out the photo of Al's kit on the tBS cellsum pages and was trying to figure out which cymbals are which -- the rest, like which tom is which, is pretty obvious, though darned if I can tell by sight from the photo a 15" crash from a 16" china, or just where the cowbell's hiding. Anyone know? Al, are y'all back from Europe? :) Cheers, Carl ps - my copy of _Black Hearts of Soul_ just arrived from play.com :) I've only got 2 or 3 of my tBS CDs in the UK with me, so this fills in the gaps nicely, as well as filling the hole I've had for hearing more of the new lineup since the London gig :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 9 10:03:32 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:03:32 GMT Subject: Galactic Alert: Rogue Ebay Trader Message-ID: Item number 4707842034 From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Mar 9 17:00:37 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review Message-ID: Gotta confess - I couldn't resist an look - there I am - er...grinning - at Tim's right shoulder: Well it was a great night and it is unusual for the band to post pictures of fans rather than vice versa, it is also really inclusive and makes you feel part of something. ......Charlie Grant (Charles the Grining Boy). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: BRAIN: London gig review > On 05 Mar 2005, at 22:48, Paul Mather wrote: > > Ok, fess up now, who's the BOC-Ler wearing the "NetHawks" t-shirt in > > the > > bottom photo? > > That's Tim Fulcher -- not currently subscribed, I think, as he's a bit > occupied by an imminent first child. Myself and Paola (well, most of > Paola's face) to the right of Tim. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 9 20:35:51 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:35:51 -0000 Subject: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: I did!!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: RIP Tommy Vance > In a message dated 07/03/05 18:06:46 GMT Standard Time, > hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK writes: > > > > He once name checked me after I'd asked him to play a live recording > > of a Rush show. I never did win the Friday Night Connection though. > > Neither did I. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 9 21:38:59 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:38:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Al's kit In-Reply-To: <422EEFF9.4030104@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Mar 9, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I was checking out the photo of Al's kit on the tBS cellsum pages > and was trying to figure out which > cymbals are which -- the rest, like which tom is which, is pretty > obvious, though darned if I can tell by sight from the photo a 15" > crash > from a 16" china, or just where the cowbell's hiding. Anyone know? > Al, > are y'all back from Europe? :) That's easy. I vary my cymbals from gig to gig but my china is always the furthest to my right and the cowbell is between my small crash (usually a 15) and my hi-hat on my left. Because I brought my cymbals with me to Europe and because of the weight restrictions I only used an 18 crash on the left, (no small crash) a 20" ride and an 18" crash-ride on the right and a small (17") China all the way right. Al From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Thu Mar 10 07:45:58 2005 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:45:58 EST Subject: Off OT US tour Message-ID: STRANGE TRIPS is pleased to announce that the incredible OZRIC TENTACLES are ready to kick off their 2005 US Tour in less than two weeks. Joining them for this whirlwind tour will be The Solar Fire Lightshow. So grab some friends and come out for an evening of extremely pure high energy music and spacey "Out of this World" cosmic psychedelia! For more information please see: http://www.ozrics.com (or) http://www.Strange-Trips.com OZRIC TENTACLES 2005 US TOUR MARCH 17 - BOSTON, MA - MIDDLE EAST MARCH 18 - BURLINGTON, VT - HIGHER GROUND MARCH 19 - NYC - BOWERY BALLROOM MARCH 20 - FALLS CHURCH, VA - STATE THEATRE MARCH 22 - CHARLOTTE, NC - NEIGHBORHOOD THEATRE MARCH 23 - RICHMOND, VA - CANAL CLUB MARCH 24 - BALTIMORE, MD - THE FUNK BOX MARCH 25 - CLEVELAND, OH - BEACHLAND BALLROOM MARCH 26 - CHICAGO, IL - THE ABBEY MARCH 27 - MILWAUKEE, WI - SHANK HALL * MARCH 29 - SACRAMENTO, CA - HARLOW'S NIGHT CLUB * MARCH 30 - SAN FRANCISCO, CA - THE INDEPENDENT * APRIL 1 - MEXICALI, MEXICO - BAJA PROG FESTIVAL * w/o The Solar Fire Lightshow From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 10 12:48:26 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:26 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Al's kit In-Reply-To: <577e2695a28586f69238772f88344032@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 10-Mar-2005 02:38, Albert Bouchard wrote: > That's easy. I vary my cymbals from gig to gig but my china is always > the furthest to my right and the cowbell is between my small crash > (usually a 15) and my hi-hat on my left. Because I brought my cymbals > with me to Europe and because of the weight restrictions I only used an > 18 crash on the left, (no small crash) a 20" ride and an 18" crash-ride > on the right and a small (17") China all the way right. Ah, nothing like hearing it from the source! Muchas gracias :) I ask admittedly because I've been trying to learn to think like a drummer--as much as a non-drummer without easy access to kit can--for the purposes of making my drum programming suck less :) I kept trying to figure out how people arranged their kits, and why, and how that influences what one might hit, depending on where one's hands are at the moment. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 10 13:12:56 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:12:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: settlement of England (was: Re: Mountain Grill (!)) In-Reply-To: <20050304161254.GC5933@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 12:50:31AM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > > And when the supply of > > coinage dried up then land became wealth and the best place a > > landowner could be was in his house on his country estate with a > > private army to guard it. > > Much the same happened in Italy, didn't it? As Rome -- empire > and city both -- deteriorated, those as could, got the hell out. > They retreated to their country villas and began fortifying them > against marauders -- the seed of an arms race that would > ultimately lead to the mediaeval castles. > > (At least, so I recall reading once; I don't really know that > much about it.) I think that might be a rather simplified view, but I would. Certainly the villas do survive as estate centres in Italy better than in other places, while the nature of their economic basis shifts rather, and in the fifth and sixth century some of them are indeed fortified. But you've then got about a four hundred year gap before the phenomenon of `incastellamento', in which the landscape becomes more or less divided up between castle-holding lords, and in that middle period society remains pretty much focused on the towns and the local power situation is mostly angled towards the distant but threatening Frankish kings. I don't think there's a link so direct you could call it an arms race. As the next Empire begins to weaken, the local centres start coming into their own again, is all, same thing happening again. > > The Visigoths (I > > think I'm correct in this?) attempted to emulate Roman authority > > and adopted the trappings of Roman power > > Or Ostro-, not sure which. Some kind of Goths anyway. The Ostrogoths briefly actually ran the Western Empire behind a figurehead Emperor (Honorius) whom they didn't replace when he died in 476 CE, So their authority actually *was* pretty Roman. The Visigoths inherited a Roman system in the same way but were inevitably a `new wave' and they certainly did try and emulate Roman power in a second-hand way. They tried to mix these elements with Old Testament kingship as well, though, one of their propaganda themes was that the old Empire had been given into their hands because of not being Christian enough any more. > > This has travelled a long way from Mountain Grill I fear! > > Well, that Aelfred Jewel would make a fine addition to Smaug's > hoard. And if he happened to flame some pesky dwarves and > hobbits who came nosing around, that'd be a Lonely Mountain > grill. And if he then decided to make a meal of them, he might > wash it down with beer made from Misty Mountain hops. > > There and back again, ba-dum boom! There's no way I can match that :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: V/A - _Strange Daze '97_ (mainly because I recently got the first Red Giant album, having been meaning to for ages because of the one track by them on this; but that track isn't on the album (which is very very good by the way)) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 10 14:28:01 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:28:01 +0000 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > Since there are so many language experts here, I was wondering if someone > could confirm my suspicion about the (lack of) the English dative. I mean, > it occurred to me that the English 'whom' (which is itself now dying a slow > death) might be a vestigal linguistic organ of the German (dative case) > 'wem.' Is that true? And is that the only such example? Anyway, what > other oddities of English are there (e.g., in terms of the various 'cases' > that we have to learn in such languages as German) that might be interesting > to know, and can put my own language study into some perspective. (Of > course, the more German I learn, the more I learn about (how weird is) > English. For example, why in the hell do we answer 'Me!' - i.e., a > reflexive pronoun - instead of 'I' when answering anything that starts with > 'Who wants to...'? The Germans use the obvious personal, nominative case, > pronoun in this situation, which made me think.) Modern English, in so far as it still has any cases at all, has only one object case, which serves for direct (`accusative') and indirect (`dative') object. I think there *are* still one or two words which preserve it other than `whom' but I can't call them to mind any more. As to `whom', it is almost certainly (Carl will know better than I--ahem) cognate with German `wem' but how they've wound up different cases with the same ending is anyobody's guess. Has the German developed onwards long after English inflection died out? Has the English been `corrected' to a more Latinate ending in the way that happened to a lot of previously Germanic forms that `looked' Latin when English was first being standardised by dictionary-writers? Is it just parallel evolution in different directions from whatever the Germanic root was? Someone probably does have some idea but I don't know who (ahem again--of course there's a verb implied here hence the subject case, as before). It won't be here for long, anyway, as actually using `whom' is pretty much a preserve of academics and pedants these days and even to me it sounds affected. Doesn't stop me of course ;-) > Oh, by the way, more than a few English words are slipping back into German > (or Swiss dialect) the opposite way, you know. 'Ausflippen' is my favorite > of these, being that it's half-translated (from 'flip out' obviously). > Ein?w?g (Anyway) is used in Swiss German commonly, whereas most 'foreign' > words come from French (M?rssi vilmal being a wonderful half-French (Merci), > half-German (vielmals) expression). And of course, the German word for > female flight attendant is still 'die Stewardess' which is humorously > politically incorrect and outdated. 'Flirten' is the verb 'to flirt,' > complete with improper German 'i' pronunciation, unbeknownst to me at first. > It goes on. `Ein?w?g' is *horrible*. If German had some kind of regulating body like the Academie Fran?aise (though I'm not saying it should because that's a fairly hopeless attempt) that'd have to be on their hitlist. But the same probably goes for most Schwyzerdeutsch anyway. > NB: Gorilla was forced to cancel due to their own separate touring plans - > Hypnos69 is the replacement I spoke to Gorilla's drummer on Saturday and found out about this, I should have realised someone would get the news here first :-) Interesting to see Electric Orange apparently in a gigging state in the Kosmos line-up too. I'm well behind with their albums, I wonder if that means they have even more new stuff out. Last one I got was _Abgelaufen!_ which struck me as being a good but unoriginal pastiche of several of their previous styles. In particular it has one `Can' and one `Neu' track which are very very carefully mimicked (and thus quite good). I think I prefer their Technokrautrock outings to their more faithful Kraut sound, but I guess if they're gig-ready they'll be doing the latter rather than the former, which would still be kind of cool. Or perhaps halfway house like Anubian Lights at Strange Daze... Anyway. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 10 15:52:47 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:52:47 +0000 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Mar 2005, at 19:28, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: >> Since there are so many language experts here, I was wondering if >> someone >> could confirm my suspicion about the (lack of) the English dative. I >> mean, >> it occurred to me that the English 'whom' (which is itself now dying >> a slow >> death) might be a vestigal linguistic organ of the German (dative >> case) >> 'wem.' Is that true? And is that the only such example? > > Modern English, in so far as it still has any cases at all, has > only one object case, which serves for direct (`accusative') and > indirect > (`dative') object. I think there *are* still one or two words which > preserve it other than `whom' but I can't call them to mind any more. "Him" springs to mind :) "Them" kind of counts as well (though that's really a borrowing from the Scandinavian dative plural; the Old English third person dative plural was "hem", which some believe survives in the apparent contraction "'em"). But in general, yes, Modern English pronouns hold the last vestiges of the Old English case system (which was not so different from the other West Germanic case systems). I guess "methinks" is another example, though a rather affected archaism these days :) The "me" part is dative (Old English first person singular dative and sometimes accusative pronoun "me", surviving as the Modern English first person objective), as the construction literally means "(it) thinks to me/(it) seems to me". > As > to `whom', it is almost certainly (Carl will know better than > I--ahem) cognate with German `wem' but how they've wound up different > cases with the same ending is anyobody's guess. The Modern English objective case pronouns are kind of a combination of the accusative and dative pronouns. The Old English masculine and femine third person singular accusative pronouns were, respectively, hwone and hw?ne (the neuter was hw?t), while their dative counterparts were hwam (as was the neuter) and hw?n. The distinction got blurred during the Middle English period, and we end up with whom in all object case positions. >> Oh, by the way, more than a few English words are slipping back into >> German >> (or Swiss dialect) the opposite way, you know. 'Ausflippen' is my >> favorite >> of these, being that it's half-translated (from 'flip out' obviously). Bizarrely, this ends up in Peninsular Spanish as "flipear" (flip out/freak out) as well! >> 'Flirten' is the verb 'to flirt,' >> complete with improper German 'i' pronunciation, unbeknownst to me at >> first. >> It goes on. My sister and I used to play this game in our high school German classes ;) Ich trippe, du tripst, er/sie/es tript, wir trippen ... ("to, like, drop acid, man ...") ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 10 17:27:27 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:27:27 -0500 Subject: Various nonsense...NIK: etc. Message-ID: >> Oh, by the way, more than a few English words are slipping back into >> German (or Swiss dialect) the opposite way, you know. 'Ausflippen' >> is my favorite of these, being that it's half-translated (from 'flip >> out' obviously). Ein?w?g (Anyway) is used in Swiss German commonly, >> whereas most 'foreign' words come from French (M?rssi vilmal being a >> wonderful half-French (Merci), half-German (vielmals) expression). But keep in mind that French is not actually a 'foreign' language in Switzerland (which is prolly why you put it in quotes anyway). German, French, Italian, and Romansch are all offical languages, and at least in the German-speaking parts of the country all students are (or rather were) expected to learn one or more of the 'other' languages. Nowadays that may no longer be true, I suspect that English may actually be the first choice for a second language among many. And when speaking with computer professionals, I find that most technical terms seem to be in English because the German equivalents are so long-winded. > `Ein?w?g' is *horrible*. If German had some kind of regulating >body like the Academie Fran?aise (though I'm not saying it should because >that's a fairly hopeless attempt) that'd have to be on their hitlist. But >the same probably goes for most Schwyzerdeutsch anyway. Indeed. I prefer the 'softer' Schwyzerdeutsch, and since the written language is actually Hochdeutsch a Swiss should eventually be able to understand a German, though the opposite may not necessarily be the case. Some years back I was exercising my Swiss-speaking skills with a German tourist here in NYC and he eventually said something along the lines of "Ach, that awful hillbilly German the Swiss use!" In all fairness my Swiss might have been a bit rusty. Stephan P.S. Don't forget Austria, where the dialect is somewhere in the middle between Swiss and German, though a bit closer to German (Bavarian) I believe. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 11 10:04:46 2005 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:04:46 -0000 Subject: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: Tommy Vance you will be missed!! A hole was left in Radio 1 when he went.....a confirmed Hawkwind fan - went out of his way to support Hawkwind s musicians when he played a set of theirs. Brian Tawn dedicated an edition of Hawkfan to him. I remember writing to him afte he featured Brainbox Pollution on the Friday Connection - and mistakenly called it Urban G. He never owned up to it. Thanks TV (on the radio!!) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Nick Medford To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 08 March 2005 00:29 Subject: Re: RIP Tommy Vance >On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:55:49 EST, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > >>In a message dated 07/03/05 18:06:46 GMT Standard Time, >>hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK writes: >> >>> >>> There must be loads of us ex spotty youths who remember the Friday Rock >>> Show. >> >>Oh yes indeed! > >Another one here. And I never even really liked Metal. But TV's show was the >only place you would *ever* hear the music I did like in my teens- Hawkwind, >Zep*, Sabbath, even Jimi Hendrix on occasion, and, to his immense credit, he >was the only DJ who dared play any prog-rock in the 80s, when the music >press at large had decreed that any music pre-1976 was worthy only of >derision (and that it certainly wasn't necessary to actually listen to it >before coming to that judgement). I remember hearing a show where he played >the all-time top 10 tracks as voted by the listeners- and it took the full >two hours to play the 10 songs,as most of them were epics like "Awaken" and >"Supper's Ready". Who else had the bottle- or the simple >don't-give-a-monkeys philosophy- to play Yes or early Genesis on national >radio then? > >A sad day. He definitely played a part in my coming to know and love the >music of HW. > >Nick > >*Listers in the US would be amazed at the rarity with which Led Zeppelin are >played on British radio. In the States, as far as I can tell, it's federal >law that at least one radio station in any tri-state area must be playing >Zep at any given time. > From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Fri Mar 11 11:05:49 2005 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:05:49 -0000 Subject: RIP Tommy Vance Message-ID: Subject: Re: RIP Tommy Vance > Tommy Vance you will be missed!! A hole was left in Radio 1 when he > went.....a confirmed Hawkwind fan - went out of his way to support Hawkwind > s musicians when he played a set of theirs. Brian Tawn dedicated an edition > of Hawkfan to him. I remember writing to him afte he featured Brainbox > Pollution on the Friday Connection - and mistakenly called it Urban G. He > never owned up to it. > Thanks TV (on the radio!!) Totalrock (www.totalrock.com to listen online) are playing tribute to TV all day today. They`ve had people calling up (Jimmy Page, Tony Iommi, Ozzy, Gillan, Coverdale, Steve Hackett and many many more) paying tribute and been playing some exceptional rock music. Still waiting to hear Dave Brocks voice I must admit... Si -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 09/03/2005 From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Fri Mar 11 19:29:16 2005 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:29:16 +1100 Subject: "SILVER MACHINE LIVE" Message-ID: Hey guys "SILVER MACHINE LIVE" The Picture on the sleeve has 5 band members in a purply/green colour. I was wondering if you could help me with some info on this CD. Unfortunately I don't have any more info than this but if someone could come up with a track listing & review I would appreciate it. Thanks Allan Sharpe From si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK Fri Mar 11 20:37:58 2005 From: si at SICKTHINGSUK.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:37:58 -0000 Subject: Dream Ticket Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/dream_ticket/ Check out March 21st in the right menu. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 09/03/2005 From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Mar 11 22:14:32 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:14:32 -0500 Subject: "SILVER MACHINE LIVE" Message-ID: Yes, Allan, it's the nine-millionth reissue of "Bring Me the Head Of Yuri Gagarin" (unfortunately) tim 8>)... Allan Sharpe wrote: > > Hey guys > > "SILVER MACHINE LIVE" > > The Picture on the sleeve has 5 band members in a purply/green colour. > > I was wondering if you could help me with some info on this CD. Unfortunately I > don't have any more info than this but if someone could come up with a track > listing & review I would appreciate it. > > Thanks > Allan Sharpe From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Mar 12 18:22:24 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:22:24 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops: Borders, Mays Landing, NJ: 3/9/05 ( mini setlist ) Message-ID: OEBs: Borders: Mays Landing, New Jersey: 3/9/05 Thanks to all the folks who came out to the show last night! It was a great & sprited crowd and we enjoyed every minute of it. It felt excellent to get back to playing some live music, and we're looking forward to more!!! All the best..Mike Burro mini setlist: Dimples>Boom, Boom, Boom ( John Lee Hooker ) Uranium Zone ( Sloterdijk ) Golden Void ( Brock ) personnel: Mike Burro: semi hollow body electric/vocals Greg Elwell: Stratocaster special From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Mar 12 21:47:50 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:47:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com March 13, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #122), Alchemical Radio (show #82), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #36). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #122) Ship Of Fools - "Guidence Is Internal" (from Out There Somewhere) The Future Kings Of England - "10:66" (from The Future Kings Of England) Rad Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God - "They Used To Be Like Children, Carefree Always Happy And Laughing" (from Rad Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God) Frank Gingeleit - "Love And Reality" (from Lost In The Deep Blue) The Glasspack - "Hairsoup" (from Bridgeburner) Melodic Energy Commission - "Figure It" (from Time Is A Slippery Concept) JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Toe Jam Asteroid" (from Androids) Tom Byrne - "Rocking to the Cosmic Callsign" (from Soundclick.com page) When's The Future - "Vague Mutterings" (from Same Time Tomorrow) Martian Death Lyric - "XDP-13's Lament" (from MDL's Last) Bardo Pond - "Living Testament" (from Cypher Documents I) Alchemical Radio (show #82) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Homeland Security ? "Reap What We Sow" Elliot Levine ? "Get Funky With It" David Eggar & Thomas Simon ? "Hayate" Deb Sandland ? "Don?t Look Now" Cheese ? "Sea Fret" Camilla Ringquist ? "Rare Diamond" Cafebar 401 ? "Something Worth Dying For" The Buzzrats ? "The Cuckoo" Bronze ? "Step Lightly" Bob Seawick ? "Los Canales" The Bevis Frond ? "Your Secret Doors" First Band From Outer Space ? "Sometimes Going Too Far Is The Only Way To Go" The Baghdaddies ? "Winter Winds" Paul Bullock ? "Quint Finney" The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #36) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Kakalla - "Maleficent Oblations To A God Of Benevolence" (from The Seeds Of Analog Rebellion) Jasun Martz - "Battle Three" (from The Pillory/The Battle) Cold Bleak Heat - "Raising The Dead (Freezer Fight)" (from It's Magnificent, But It Isn't War) Tigersmilk - "11:49" (from From The Bottle) Alex Temple - "Oaxau's Frame" (from Schwarzwaldmusik III) Tom McNalley Trio - "Loss" (from Tom McNalley Trio) DDYGG - "The Princess" (from Live at Joan's) Bift - "Criminal" (from Bift) The Four Bags - "The Pioneers" (from Offshore)" http://Aural-Innovations.com From denis at PTI-INC.DE Sun Mar 13 05:19:57 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:19:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS Message-ID: Hi, while surfing the net I stumbled over a virtual (and freeware!) version of EMS's famous AKS synthi (including some add-ons like a virtual EMS 8-octave-filter-bank, oscilloscope and spectroscope). The synth can be found here: AFAIK the software AKS is only available for the Mac, though. Now to my question: could anyone who has experience with a _real_ AKS or VCS3 (Captain Bl at ack, Doug P. ?) compare the software with the real one and tell what he thinks about the quality of the emulation? thanks in advane & (c)IAO D+R np: Philip Glass, "Akhnaten" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Mar 13 08:03:10 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:03:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: <28dbec8f797f984c0b2fe7a87bf832b1@pti-inc.de> Message-ID: On 13 Mar 2005, at 10:19, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > while surfing the net I stumbled over a virtual (and freeware!) version > of EMS's famous AKS synthi (including some add-ons like a virtual EMS > 8-octave-filter-bank, oscilloscope and spectroscope). The synth can be > found here: > Cool -- I've downloaded it, but I think my rudimentary French is going to get a real workout if I'm going to figure out how it works. I have yet to figure out how to do anything with it. (Having no understanding of analogue synths probably isn't helping me here! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Mar 13 13:02:13 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:02:13 -0600 Subject: HW: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is quite surreal, we were just watching Sundays 'Alternative' show on VH1 Classic in the US. They had a snippet interview with Al Jourgensen from the Ministry about his diverse musical influences, and the first thing he said: 'Lets see well.. You gotta put Hawkwind in there They were Awesome you know, black light posters, strobe lights, in your room smokin pot, you know, put the ?towel? on the door so mom and dad wouldn't... HAWKWIND RULED!!!' He then went on to namecheck a bunch of other people including Pink Floyd...Can...Nektar and more. But he started with Hawkwind :-) :-) Rich + Arin From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 13 14:00:31 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 13 Mar 2005, at 10:19, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > while surfing the net I stumbled over a virtual (and freeware!) version > > of EMS's famous AKS synthi (including some add-ons like a virtual EMS > > 8-octave-filter-bank, oscilloscope and spectroscope). The synth can be > > found here: > > > > Cool -- I've downloaded it, but I think my rudimentary French is going > to get a real workout if I'm going to figure out how it works. I have > yet to figure out how to do anything with it. (Having no understanding > of analogue synths probably isn't helping me here! ;) Hey Carl, you know my French is a bit better than yours, right? :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Red Giant - _Ultramagnetic Glowing Sound_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Sun Mar 13 14:05:06 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:05:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why bother with that? Why not just pick up: http://tinyurl.com/5rj8x :-() -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "You should have seen the curse that flew right by you Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Mar 13 14:31:41 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:31:41 -0600 Subject: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone did want to catch the interview snippet the alternative does get rerun later in the day, you'd have to check the VH1 Classic website for the schedule. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 This is quite surreal, we were just watching Sundays 'Alternative' show on VH1 Classic in the US. They had a snippet interview with Al Jourgensen from the Ministry about his diverse musical influences, and the first thing he said: 'Lets see well.. You gotta put Hawkwind in there They were Awesome you know, black light posters, strobe lights, in your room smokin pot, you know, put the ?towel? on the door so mom and dad wouldn't... HAWKWIND RULED!!!' He then went on to namecheck a bunch of other people including Pink Floyd...Can...Nektar and more. But he started with Hawkwind :-) :-) Rich + Arin From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 13 14:56:45 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:56:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:05:06 -0500, David Kuznick wrote: >Why bother with that? Why not just pick up: http://tinyurl.com/5rj8x > >:-() Very cool, but since we're talking EMS, this one might be more appropriate: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=7306197115&rd=1 ;^) (I've actually gotten to mess around with one of those a bit!) Although Klaus' Moog is probably the better deal. With respect to softsynth emulations of analog synths, the one area that most fall short in is when trying to use an audio-frequency signal as a modulation source (a common technique with the Minimoog and Arp 2600, two oft-simulated classic analogs). And, of course, to replicate a Synthi properly (or at least for maximum fun), you'd need a joystick hooked up to your PC. But I don't own an EMS, and don't do computer synthesis (no need with one of these ... http://www.wiard.com/ ), so I can't make any sort of direct comparison ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Mar 13 15:32:30 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:32:30 -0000 Subject: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 Message-ID: yeah its not the first time Al Jourgenson has mentioned hawkwind i remember anoother interview which i posted the link to on here some time ago where he mentioned hawkwind now if only he could cover a hawkwind song with ministry then that woudl be something else ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: HW: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 > This is quite surreal, we were just watching Sundays 'Alternative' show on > VH1 Classic in the US. > > They had a snippet interview with Al Jourgensen from the Ministry about his > diverse musical influences, and the first thing he said: > > 'Lets see well.. > > You gotta put Hawkwind in there > > They were Awesome you know, black light posters, strobe lights, in your room > smokin pot, you know, put the ?towel? on the door so mom and dad wouldn't... > > HAWKWIND RULED!!!' > > > He then went on to namecheck a bunch of other people including Pink > Floyd...Can...Nektar and more. But he started with Hawkwind :-) :-) > > > Rich + Arin > From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Mar 14 06:45:58 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:45:58 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Bishops: Borders, Mays Landing, NJ: 3/9/05 ( mini setlist ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The gig was actuallly , March 11th!! >From: "Burro Mike" >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, spacerock at yahoogroups.com, >spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, >cratylus7 at msn.com, elgre at hotmail.com, BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: One Eyed Bishops: Borders, Mays Landing, NJ: 3/9/05 ( mini >setlist ) >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:22:24 +0000 > >OEBs: Borders: Mays Landing, New Jersey: 3/9/05 > >Thanks to all the folks who came out to the show last night! It was a great >& sprited crowd and we enjoyed every minute of it. It felt excellent to get >back to playing some live music, and we're looking forward to more!!! All >the best..Mike Burro > >mini setlist: > >Dimples>Boom, Boom, Boom ( John Lee Hooker ) >Uranium Zone ( Sloterdijk ) >Golden Void ( Brock ) > >personnel: > >Mike Burro: semi hollow body electric/vocals > >Greg Elwell: Stratocaster special > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Mar 14 07:03:55 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:03:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Nick Saloman interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hawkwind friend and relation in a fresh interview here: http://perfectsoundforever.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 14 11:07:28 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:07:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13-Mar-2005 19:00, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Cool -- I've downloaded it, but I think my rudimentary French is going >> to get a real workout if I'm going to figure out how it works. I have >> yet to figure out how to do anything with it. (Having no understanding >> of analogue synths probably isn't helping me here! ;) > > Hey Carl, you know my French is a bit better than yours, > right? :-) Yeah, but you ain't got no Mac! You'll have to come round and explain how it works :) Otherwise, I'll have to puzzle through the manual and the video tutorial I downloaded. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 14 11:08:32 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:08:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: <20050313140506.ymfaos4w04k4kwk8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 13-Mar-2005 19:05, David Kuznick wrote: > Why bother with that? Why not just pick up: http://tinyurl.com/5rj8x > :-() Er, yes .... Well, at least LeSynth is cheaper and takes up less space! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 14 11:36:51 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:36:51 -0000 Subject: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 Message-ID: I'm thinking - if we could get Hawkwind to cover a Ministry song....like Stigmata or Burning Inside.... Mmm mmm! ----- Original Message ----- From: "colm mcwilliams" > now if only he could cover a hawkwind song with ministry then that woudl be > something else From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Mar 14 11:50:52 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:50:52 +0000 Subject: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MMMMMmm, or even their master stroke - Jesus Built my Hot Rod its a primative as anything from '72 iain Chris Allen wrote on 3/14/2005, 4:36 PM: > I'm thinking - if we could get Hawkwind to cover a Ministry song....like > Stigmata or Burning Inside.... > Mmm mmm! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "colm mcwilliams" > > > now if only he could cover a hawkwind song with ministry then that > woudl > be > > something else > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Mar 14 11:59:02 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:59:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13-Mar-2005 19:56, Doug Pearson wrote: > With respect to softsynth emulations of analog synths, the one area that > most fall short in is when trying to use an audio-frequency signal as a > modulation source (a common technique with the Minimoog and Arp 2600, two > oft-simulated classic analogs). And, of course, to replicate a Synthi > properly (or at least for maximum fun), you'd need a joystick hooked up to > your PC. But I don't own an EMS, and don't do computer synthesis (no need > with one of these ... http://www.wiard.com/ ), so I can't make any sort of > direct comparison ... The Wiard stuff looks way cool :) And I like what I've seen of the Nord Lead that Scott Heller uses (yeah, it's not analogue, as I recall, but hey: I'm no purist -- I just like swooshy noises). Money and space issues have prevent me from going there yet. Freeware synth action continues to fit the bill (literally!). I am, though, increasingly inclined to get a MIDI controller keyboard, like the new little CME one, to hook up to my laptop and expand the sonic pallete somewhat. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From zim594j at TNINET.SE Mon Mar 14 12:27:10 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:27:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: <4235C2D6.5020409@carlaz.com> Message-ID: This might help http://home.wanadoo.nl/syntigroep/manual_list.htm Click Ems on the menu to the left. Not very cheap but cheaper than the amreican site I found. Kenneth From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Mar 14 12:33:56 2005 From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:33:56 -0500 Subject: MOAB Message-ID: Keith Hill (of Signified, Flesh Resonance and PXR1 fame) has asked me to say that he has heard the MOAB album featuring Ron and Trev and he thinks it is brilliant and we should all pester record companies etc to get it released to a deserving public!! From zim594j at TNINET.SE Mon Mar 14 12:41:46 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:41:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This seems to be pure AKS pornography: http://www.btinternet.com/~nicandmatt/ems/aks-guid2.html I'm going through the site now, I'll be back with a report (if I not drown on the VCO flood of course). I think we're heading for a massive AKS ecstacy for the next moor album. Kenneth From clyvedon.press at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Mar 15 11:49:32 2005 From: clyvedon.press at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Chris Purdon) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:32 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Mar 2005 to 14 Mar 2005 (#2005-66) Message-ID: Well I've downloaded onto my PC and installed it onto the G4, but can't get anything more than a basic sine wave audio signal out of it. Anyone figured it out yet or translated the French manual yet to enable more sophisticated Del Dettmar sounds? Or any VCS3 owners out there? Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:03:10 +0000 From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: Re: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS On 13 Mar 2005, at 10:19, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > while surfing the net I stumbled over a virtual (and freeware!) version > of EMS's famous AKS synthi (including some add-ons like a virtual EMS > 8-octave-filter-bank, oscilloscope and spectroscope). The synth can be > found here: > Cool -- I've downloaded it, but I think my rudimentary French is going to get a real workout if I'm going to figure out how it works. I have yet to figure out how to do anything with it. (Having no understanding of analogue synths probably isn't helping me here! ;) Cheers, Carl From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 15 14:30:35 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:30:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virtual EMS Synthi AKS Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:32 -0000, Chris Purdon wrote: >Well I've downloaded onto my PC and installed it onto the G4, but can't >get anything more than a basic sine wave audio signal out of it. Anyone >figured it out yet or translated the French manual yet to enable more >sophisticated Del Dettmar sounds? Or any VCS3 owners out there? Have you put any patch pins into the virtual matrix? I don't recall how much of the synth is internally patched (don't actually own one, although I've played a few), but I would have to believe that you'd need to connect some of the pins to get any envelope or LFO modulation. The patch matrix is "the heart" of any EMS synth ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Tue Mar 15 22:57:27 2005 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: SIEL MK 900 synth Message-ID: I acquired (for free) a SIEL MK 900 synth, but there was no manual. I know that this is a long shot, but does anyone have a manual I can get a copy of? From what I can tell, Roland bought SIEL quite a while ago, and they no longer support any SIEL products. Thanks, Frank From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 15 23:03:40 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:03:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: SIEL MK 900 synth Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:27 -0600, Weil Frank-CFW001 wrote: >I acquired (for free) a SIEL MK 900 synth, but there was no manual. Congratulations! Nice find ... >I know that this is a long shot, but does anyone have a manual I can get a >copy of? From what I can tell, Roland bought SIEL quite a while ago, and >they no longer support any SIEL products. I would recommend submitting your query to the Analogue Heaven mailing list. If no one there has a manual, then probably nobody does! see: http://www.retrosynth.com/ah/index.html http://machines.hyperreal.org/Analogue-Heaven/ -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Mar 16 00:42:29 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:42:29 -0600 Subject: OFF: dr. who Message-ID: OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the US, which doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series starts up very shortly, hence a quick plea: Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these off to dvd for me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Mar 16 02:13:31 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:13:31 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: the first episode was leaked onto the net a few weeks ago i am sure you could find it on the alt binarie newsgroups colm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: OFF: dr. who > OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) > > As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the US, which > doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series starts up very > shortly, hence a quick plea: > > Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these off to dvd for > me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... > > thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 16 15:56:07 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:56:07 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Can't do dvd I'm afraid - might just about persuade the elastic bands to keep my clanking video machine running long enough to get a tape out of it if that will help. Mike Holmes usually has these things sussed well in advance - he's probably got his machines pre-set even though he's over there with you folks in the States at the moment! You don't happen to have a starting date and time do you? I've a feeling it might be tomorrow so will keep an eye on the schedules and try to locate it. cheers jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: OFF: dr. who > OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) > > As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the > US, which > doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series > starts up very > shortly, hence a quick plea: > > Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these > off to dvd for > me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... > > thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 16 16:21:21 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:21:21 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: According to the esteemed Radio Times there's a Dr.Who "evening" this Saturday (interviews and archive stuff, etc.), but the new series doesn't actually air until *next* Saturday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > Can't do dvd I'm afraid - might just about persuade the elastic > bands to keep my clanking video machine running long enough to get > a tape out of it if that will help. Mike Holmes usually has > these things sussed well in advance - he's probably got his > machines pre-set even though he's over there with you folks in the > States at the moment! > > You don't happen to have a starting date and time do you? I've a > feeling it might be tomorrow so will keep an eye on the schedules > and try to locate it. > > cheers > jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arin Komins" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:42 AM > Subject: OFF: dr. who > > > > OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) > > > > As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the > > US, which > > doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series > > starts up very > > shortly, hence a quick plea: > > > > Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these > > off to dvd for > > me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... > > > > thanks! > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins > > akomins at uchicago.edu > > Assistant Director/ENSS > > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > > (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > > (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 16 17:16:12 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:16:12 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Saturday 7pm or 7.30pm Andy G (not a fan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > Can't do dvd I'm afraid - might just about persuade the elastic > bands to keep my clanking video machine running long enough to get > a tape out of it if that will help. Mike Holmes usually has > these things sussed well in advance - he's probably got his > machines pre-set even though he's over there with you folks in the > States at the moment! > > You don't happen to have a starting date and time do you? I've a > feeling it might be tomorrow so will keep an eye on the schedules > and try to locate it. > > cheers > jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arin Komins" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:42 AM > Subject: OFF: dr. who > > > > OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) > > > > As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the > > US, which > > doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series > > starts up very > > shortly, hence a quick plea: > > > > Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these > > off to dvd for > > me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... > > > > thanks! > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins > > akomins at uchicago.edu > > Assistant Director/ENSS > > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > > (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > > (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 16 17:20:35 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:20:35 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Easter Saturday, 7pm - the trailers look *fantastic* and on the strength of just a 50sec preview Eccleston is the best Doctor since Peter Davison. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > Can't do dvd I'm afraid - might just about persuade the elastic > bands to keep my clanking video machine running long enough to get > a tape out of it if that will help. Mike Holmes usually has > these things sussed well in advance - he's probably got his > machines pre-set even though he's over there with you folks in the > States at the moment! > > You don't happen to have a starting date and time do you? I've a > feeling it might be tomorrow so will keep an eye on the schedules > and try to locate it. > > cheers > jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arin Komins" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:42 AM > Subject: OFF: dr. who > > > > OK. subject line really should have read very very off ;-) > > > > As some of you probably know, I'm a dr. who fan. Stuck in the > > US, which > > doesn't appear to be getting the new series (ARGH). New series > > starts up very > > shortly, hence a quick plea: > > > > Any chance I can convince some lovely soul to start taping these > > off to dvd for > > me? I can exchange with misc other stuff..... > > > > thanks! > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins > > akomins at uchicago.edu > > Assistant Director/ENSS > > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > > (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > > (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Mar 16 17:38:04 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:38:04 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <000901c529f7$a90e8850$fd450151@IRONDREAM> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, colm mcwilliams wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :the first episode was leaked onto the net a few weeks ago : :i am sure you could find it on the alt binarie newsgroups Yep. Got a copy of that just after it leaked ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 17 13:55:08 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:55:08 -0500 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:20:35 -0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: >on the strength of >just a 50sec preview Eccleston is the best Doctor since Peter Davison. Faint praise? But personally I thought it all went to the dogs during the last year or two of Tom Baker's tenure. Still, I'm intrigued to see what the new series will be like. I've been struggling to explain to my wife (who's South African) just what immense cultural import the return of Dr Who has for anyone who grew up in 70s Britain. http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ has some interesting bits and pieces to whet the appetite. Nick PS Favourite Who adventure: The Talons of Weng Chiang. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 17 14:45:50 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:45:50 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" > > >on the strength of > >just a 50sec preview Eccleston is the best Doctor since Peter Davison. > > Faint praise? Nick, You Are Joking! High Praise! Peter Davison the best Doctor Who! It's a fan thing, perhaps - I guess Davison is more popular with the fanbase than with the public at large who didn't see through his previous work. Then he went and did a couple of series of "Campion" and had he done that *before* Doctor Who he'd probably have been in pole position in people's minds to play the Doctor. And if he hadn't done it at all, having now turned into one of Britain's best character actors he would be top of the list to do it! And I think Eccleston is going to be fab. Just watched an overview on The Culture Show where they were building up the segment to say "it's just not the same anymore" only to have the presenter come out of the press screening with a big grin on his face announcing that Doctor Who really is back... Ian From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 17 17:57:20 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:57:20 -0500 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:45:50 -0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: >Nick, You Are Joking! High Praise! Peter Davison the best Doctor Who! > >It's a fan thing, perhaps - I guess Davison is more popular with the fanbase >than with the public at large Really? I didn't know he was held in high esteem by the hardcore fans. Can't see it myself, but maybe that's why I never became a hardcore fan. He's certainly a good actor, but I just had this concept of Dr Who as an eccentric, wily old bird- the first 4 were all like that in their own way- and I suppose he didn't fit my preconceived notion of the character. He just looked too young. That's probably a very unfair reason to criticise him, but then irrational prejudice is at the root of most personal-taste issues, I guess. I'm actually on quite dodgy ground here, as the more I think about it I suspect I watched very little of the Peter Davison era, or any other post- Tom Baker series. I do remember watching about 10 minutes of Sylvester McCoy as the Dr, and feeling outraged at this feeble travesty of my cherished childhood memories- don't tell me the Whovians dig Sylvester too, it can't be the case, surely?? But Christopher Eccleston could be very good indeed. Here's hoping.. Nick From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 17 17:57:13 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:57:13 +0000 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <009101c52b29$ec71c660$42014054@SN037539420006> Message-ID: On 17 Mar 2005, at 19:45, Ian Abrahams wrote: > From: "Nick Medford" >>> on the strength of >>> just a 50sec preview Eccleston is the best Doctor since Peter >>> Davison. >> >> Faint praise? > > Nick, You Are Joking! High Praise! Peter Davison the best Doctor Who! Yeah, Davison was always my favorite Doctor. Can't say I was ever the hugest Who fan, but I guess I've seen a lot of the episodes over the years. Kinda have it in mind to catch the new show (and I still think a roaring space-rock blanga cover of the theme would be most cool :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Mar 18 02:29:33 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:29:33 +0000 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Mar 2005, at 22:57, Nick Medford wrote: > I do remember watching about 10 minutes of Sylvester > McCoy as the Dr, and feeling outraged at this feeble travesty of my > cherished childhood memories- don't tell me the Whovians dig Sylvester > too, > it can't be the case, surely?? Don't think I qualify as a Whovian, but I thought the likes of McCoy and Colin Baker were actually reasonable interpretations of the character (IMO, it would be boring if the Doctor were always the same), but were often very ill-served by the scripts from their periods. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 18 02:47:46 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:47:46 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" > I'm actually on quite dodgy ground here, as the more I think about it I > suspect I watched very little of the Peter Davison era, or any other post- > Tom Baker series. I do remember watching about 10 minutes of Sylvester > McCoy as the Dr, and feeling outraged at this feeble travesty of my > cherished childhood memories- don't tell me the Whovians dig Sylvester too, > it can't be the case, surely?? LOL! No, I'm certainly not going to tell you that! Ian From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 18 07:28:30 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:28:30 +0000 Subject: Ministry Namecheck Hawkwind on VH1 In-Reply-To: <4235C0EC.5070203@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Iain Ferguson wrote: > or even their master stroke - Jesus Built my Hot Rod > > its a primative as anything from '72 > > Chris Allen wrote on 3/14/2005, 4:36 PM: > > > I'm thinking - if we could get Hawkwind to cover a Ministry song....like > > Stigmata or Burning Inside.... > > Mmm mmm! I'm never quite sure if `Jesus Built my Hotrod' counts as `real' Ministry. It was co-written by Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers--you probably know this but you may not know that therefore it also appears on the Butthole Surfers album as `Some Dispute over T-Shirt Sales'. I actually like that version better... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Mar 18 07:39:33 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:39:33 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: Thus spake Kilmisthustra... Message-ID: Article about Lem in the MSM...what's wrong with this picture? www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/17/leisure.motorhead.reut/index.html Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Sad news to report for those who haven't already heard. Apparently, Danny Taylor of Silver Apples has died. Now it was Simeon that was severely injured in that auto crash a few years' back, wasn't it? And I think it was Danny who was responsible for giving him CPR and saving his life, right? Then this must have been some sort of health problem of his own, totally unrelated. Anyway, it's sad to get this news, but still the story of their reunion was quite amazing, and then that crazy traffic accident. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Mar 18 09:19:48 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:19:48 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Nick Medford wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :PS Favourite Who adventure: The Talons of Weng Chiang. heh. Still one of my alltime scariest stories. There's just something about that doll..... (although I have to rate the Seeds of Doom pretty highly, too, if only because I still jump 2 feet when the damn krynoid tentacle pops out of the pod and grabs ahold of poor Keeler.) I've got friends who range the spectrum in their preferred doctors....most of my friends seem to like the doctor they started on. (In my case, that was Tom Baker...although I also quite like Peter Davison, and Jon Pertwee. Hartnell annoyed me, Troughton was too comedic, Colin Baker just isn't cut out to play a hero (although he's been doing a damn fine job in the big finish audios...oddly), and Sylvester largely reminded me of Troughton. McGann was great, but suffered under that awful film (although, like Colin, he's been doing good stuff in the big finish audios.) I'm anxiously waiting on the new series. I started in sf fandom with dr. who, so it's kind of like going back to my roots again ;-) Arin (waffling on) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 18 12:02:32 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:02:32 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Pls excuse my ignorance, but what are big finish audios? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" > Colin Baker just isn't cut > out to play a hero (although he's been doing a damn fine job in the big > finish audios...oddly) > McGann was great, but suffered under that awful film (although, like > Colin, he's been doing good stuff in the big finish audios.) From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Mar 18 12:11:26 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (MikeMontfort) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:11:26 -0500 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris Allen wrote: >Pls excuse my ignorance, but what are big finish audios? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arin Komins" > > >>Colin Baker just isn't cut >>out to play a hero (although he's been doing a damn fine job in the big >>finish audios...oddly) >>McGann was great, but suffered under that awful film (although, like >>Colin, he's been doing good stuff in the big finish audios.) >> >> > > > Best thing to do is check it out yourself. http://www.doctorwho.co.uk/drwho/index.shtml Basically they are continueing audio adventures. There are continueing book series too.... MM From GutterCat at AOL.COM Fri Mar 18 12:38:11 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:38:11 EST Subject: dr. who Message-ID: In a message dated 17/03/05 19:47:38 GMT Standard Time, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > And I think Eccleston is going to be fab. Just watched an overview on The > Culture Show where they were building up the segment to say "it's just not > the same anymore" only to have the presenter come out of the press screening > with a big grin on his face announcing that Doctor Who really is back... I saw that. The presenter in question was a real Dr Who anorak, so when he came out and said that, it was a huge relief to me. Very encouraging indeed. So many times, new writers try to change things in order to be controversial. I was concerned that it would be made nasty in a way, rather than scary. We don't need swearing, gritty violence or other issues dealt with almost everywhere else, in Dr Who. Then I heard a trailer on the radio in which the Doctor spoke the words "I'm The Doctor. I'm here to help." I really think this is going to be great! My first Doctor was Jon Pertwee and I went off it towards the end of Tom Bakers reign. Thought the Paul McGann movie was good and hoped for more but it was not forthcoming. The Doctor is one of, if not THE greatest Sci-Fi character ever and it astounds me that it has been left idle for so long. BBC Radio 2 are doing a couple of programmes on Doctor Who staring on Tuesday. Here's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/doctorwho/ There's lots of other Who related stuff there too and overseas fans can listen online. Sorry for long ish, off topic post. Maybe there should be a Hawkwind/Doctor Who list. Steve. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 18 12:48:10 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:48:10 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was concerned that it would be made nasty in a way, rather than scary. Nah, they did that before, it was called Colin Baker. Ian From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Mar 18 13:21:30 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:21:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Chris Allen wrote: :To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET :Pls excuse my ignorance, but what are big finish audios? New audio adventures. See http://www.bigfinish.com/ Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 18 17:36:56 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:36:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Litmus Dates in April Message-ID: April 9th - Roadburn Festival, 013, Tilburg, Netherlands April 15th - Celtic Warriors Birthday Bash, Godmanchester, Cambs April 17th - The Standard, Walthamstow (supporting David Cross Band, ex King Crimson) Hopefully we will see you at one or more of these. Remember that Litmus are taper friendly;). Colin From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sun Mar 20 11:16:27 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:16:27 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: Test Nothing to see here. Move along...move along. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Mar 20 15:28:04 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:28:04 -0500 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <009101c52b29$ec71c660$42014054@SN037539420006> Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 19:45 +0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > > > > >on the strength of > > >just a 50sec preview Eccleston is the best Doctor since Peter Davison. > And I think Eccleston is going to be fab. Just watched an overview on The > Culture Show where they were building up the segment to say "it's just not > the same anymore" only to have the presenter come out of the press screening > with a big grin on his face announcing that Doctor Who really is back... I read a review of the first episode of the new series in the Grauniad a week or so ago. The gist of it was that the special effects were really great but the script was dumbed down and that adult viewers would be disappointed and frustrated by the sometimes slapstick and cartoonish antics and cheap laffs. (In other words, the priorities were in all the wrong places as far as a Who fan is concerned.) Certainly, the review did not seem to bode well, and appeared to indicate that some of the terrible puns issuing forth were enough to make Roger Moore's 007 seem highbrow and erudite. But, I well remember the awful debut of Sylvester McCoy (which I thought was a blatant attempt to make something so bad as to kill off the series due to the outcry), and that the series did manage to improve. (It could hardly have become worse, though.) Let's hope the new series manages to rise above the no-attention-span kiddies audience to which it appears to pander according to the review I read and actually deliver the good cross-generational skiffy we have come to rely on from it... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Mar 21 14:51:04 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:51:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords 25 Years In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? Mick Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Mar 21 15:26:13 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:26:13 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawklords 25 Years In-Reply-To: <20050321195104.83170.qmail@web86204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks like march of the bootleggers, seems like the same set up as the Rock Fever bootlegs of Warrior. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Michael Crook Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:51 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords 25 Years There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? Mick Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Mar 21 15:39:02 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:39:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords 25 Years Message-ID: Rich said... >Looks like march of the bootleggers, seems like the same set up as the Rock >Fever bootlegs of Warrior. Yep...see here. http://www.starfarer.net/photos145.html They seem to date to c.2001. >There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of >the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. >Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? You can read the address of this 'record company' on the photo above, which says, Rock Fever Music, Baumstrasse 10, 22175 Hamburg, Germany. The URL www.rock-fever.de site is dead, probably because they're not legit and closed up shop. The address is a real place, though, according to a Mapquest search, but who knows who lives there today. Grakkl (FAA) From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Mon Mar 21 15:55:05 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:55:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour/CD... Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, who knows what's in store for the rumoured touring in continental Europe. Let's hope it happens, and I hope to actually be in the neighborhood when (and if) it happens, but I've decided to fly to the UK again to catch a few of the definite shows in mid-May. So, I'll be heading into Newcastle airport on 16.5 and then head down to Midd'lsbro for the first show, almost certainly. And then I fly out of Nott'nham on the 24th, which means I'll probably catch the last show of the five that are scheduled to date. I would be happy to divert to Cardiff on the 21st to see the FA Cup final between (Ohio native Brad Friedel's) Blackburn Rovers and the Mags, but that will likely be held in an alternate universe where such 'opposite' outcomes are to be expected. Anyway, can anyone give a bit of a rundown on any/all of these venues, as to what sort of quality sound/lightshow/crowd/seating/beer/etc. one can expect? Is Rock City the place where the Bedrock show (w/ SimonH and Bridget) was filmed? Middlesbrough, The Empire Blackburn, King George's Hall Sheffield, Corporation Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall Nottingham, Rock City So...um....dare I ask? When/where's the CD going to be released? Surely, *this* is the tour that's supposed to be joined up with its release?! :) I just visited the Voiceprint webpage, which looks to be updated fairly regularly, and no mention there. Is it still pegged for Voiceprint, or the 'Hawkwind' sublabel of Voiceprint, or whatever it is? If not, what's happening? This is a little silly now, isn't it? :) Not that we aren't used to such silliness or anything. Though 'TrevTime' has never been *this* slow before, has it? Any guests on the tour? KeithK? KeefB? Keith Richards? Denise Richards? Debbie Denise? Debbie Harry? Harry Williamson? Prince Harry/William? Grakkl (FAA) ObCDR: excerpts taken from www.OresundSpaceCollective.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 21 16:12:27 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:12:27 -0000 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: The Bedrock show was filmed at the Central TV studios, not Rock City. Rock City is a large club in central Nottingham; lots of metal fittings and quite harsh PA; a pretty grotty environment. The Wulfrun Hall in Wolverhampton is a large shoebox shaped council-run venue, which holds about 1200 people. It is great for the lightshow as the ceiling is very high. The local PA suppliers are ok and the PA is usually okish. However, if they are using Pyramid Audio to provide all of the PA on this tour again, then the sound will be much better at both venues. Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: HW: Tour/CD... > Hi Folks... > > Well, who knows what's in store for the rumoured touring in continental > Europe. Let's hope it happens, and I hope to actually be in the > neighborhood when (and if) it happens, but I've decided to fly to the UK > again to catch a few of the definite shows in mid-May. So, I'll be heading > into Newcastle airport on 16.5 and then head down to Midd'lsbro for the > first show, almost certainly. And then I fly out of Nott'nham on the 24th, > which means I'll probably catch the last show of the five that are scheduled > to date. I would be happy to divert to Cardiff on the 21st to see the FA > Cup final between (Ohio native Brad Friedel's) Blackburn Rovers and the > Mags, but that will likely be held in an alternate universe where such > 'opposite' outcomes are to be expected. > > Anyway, can anyone give a bit of a rundown on any/all of these venues, as to > what sort of quality sound/lightshow/crowd/seating/beer/etc. one can expect? > Is Rock City the place where the Bedrock show (w/ SimonH and Bridget) was > filmed? > > Middlesbrough, The Empire > Blackburn, King George's Hall > Sheffield, Corporation > Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall > Nottingham, Rock City > > So...um....dare I ask? When/where's the CD going to be released? Surely, > *this* is the tour that's supposed to be joined up with its release?! :) I > just visited the Voiceprint webpage, which looks to be updated fairly > regularly, and no mention there. Is it still pegged for Voiceprint, or the > 'Hawkwind' sublabel of Voiceprint, or whatever it is? If not, what's > happening? This is a little silly now, isn't it? :) Not that we aren't > used to such silliness or anything. Though 'TrevTime' has never been *this* > slow before, has it? > > Any guests on the tour? KeithK? KeefB? Keith Richards? Denise Richards? > Debbie Denise? Debbie Harry? Harry Williamson? Prince Harry/William? > > Grakkl (FAA) > > ObCDR: excerpts taken from www.OresundSpaceCollective.com > From coral at APORT.RU Mon Mar 21 16:45:19 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:45:19 +0300 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: March? :) > Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > Colin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henderson Keith" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:55 PM > Subject: HW: Tour/CD... > > > > Hi Folks... > > > > Well, who knows what's in store for the rumoured touring in continental > > Europe. Let's hope it happens, and I hope to actually be in the > > neighborhood when (and if) it happens, but I've decided to fly to the UK > > again to catch a few of the definite shows in mid-May. So, I'll be > heading > > into Newcastle airport on 16.5 and then head down to Midd'lsbro for the > > first show, almost certainly. And then I fly out of Nott'nham on the > 24th, > > which means I'll probably catch the last show of the five that are > scheduled > > to date. I would be happy to divert to Cardiff on the 21st to see the FA > > Cup final between (Ohio native Brad Friedel's) Blackburn Rovers and the > > Mags, but that will likely be held in an alternate universe where such > > 'opposite' outcomes are to be expected. > > > > Anyway, can anyone give a bit of a rundown on any/all of these venues, as > to > > what sort of quality sound/lightshow/crowd/seating/beer/etc. one can > expect? > > Is Rock City the place where the Bedrock show (w/ SimonH and Bridget) was > > filmed? > > > > Middlesbrough, The Empire > > Blackburn, King George's Hall > > Sheffield, Corporation > > Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall > > Nottingham, Rock City > > > > So...um....dare I ask? When/where's the CD going to be released? Surely, > > *this* is the tour that's supposed to be joined up with its release?! :) > I > > just visited the Voiceprint webpage, which looks to be updated fairly > > regularly, and no mention there. Is it still pegged for Voiceprint, or > the > > 'Hawkwind' sublabel of Voiceprint, or whatever it is? If not, what's > > happening? This is a little silly now, isn't it? :) Not that we aren' t > > used to such silliness or anything. Though 'TrevTime' has never been > *this* > > slow before, has it? > > > > Any guests on the tour? KeithK? KeefB? Keith Richards? Denise > Richards? > > Debbie Denise? Debbie Harry? Harry Williamson? Prince Harry/William? > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > > > ObCDR: excerpts taken from www.OresundSpaceCollective.com > > > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Mar 21 17:00:46 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:00:46 -0500 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: It will only be sold to concert goers. It will sell out half way through. You will then have to pay triple on ebay if you are lucky to get in on it. ;-} > March? :) > > > Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > > > Colin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Henderson Keith" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:55 PM > > Subject: HW: Tour/CD... > > > > > > > Hi Folks... > > > > > > Well, who knows what's in store for the rumoured touring in continental > > > Europe. Let's hope it happens, and I hope to actually be in the > > > neighborhood when (and if) it happens, but I've decided to fly to the UK > > > again to catch a few of the definite shows in mid-May. So, I'll be > > heading > > > into Newcastle airport on 16.5 and then head down to Midd'lsbro for the > > > first show, almost certainly. And then I fly out of Nott'nham on the > > 24th, > > > which means I'll probably catch the last show of the five that are > > scheduled > > > to date. I would be happy to divert to Cardiff on the 21st to see the > FA > > > Cup final between (Ohio native Brad Friedel's) Blackburn Rovers and the > > > Mags, but that will likely be held in an alternate universe where such > > > 'opposite' outcomes are to be expected. > > > > > > Anyway, can anyone give a bit of a rundown on any/all of these venues, > as > > to > > > what sort of quality sound/lightshow/crowd/seating/beer/etc. one can > > expect? > > > Is Rock City the place where the Bedrock show (w/ SimonH and Bridget) > was > > > filmed? > > > > > > Middlesbrough, The Empire > > > Blackburn, King George's Hall > > > Sheffield, Corporation > > > Wolverhampton, Wolfrun Hall > > > Nottingham, Rock City > > > > > > So...um....dare I ask? When/where's the CD going to be released? > Surely, > > > *this* is the tour that's supposed to be joined up with its release?! > :) > > I > > > just visited the Voiceprint webpage, which looks to be updated fairly > > > regularly, and no mention there. Is it still pegged for Voiceprint, or > > the > > > 'Hawkwind' sublabel of Voiceprint, or whatever it is? If not, what's > > > happening? This is a little silly now, isn't it? :) Not that we aren' > t > > > used to such silliness or anything. Though 'TrevTime' has never been > > *this* > > > slow before, has it? > > > > > > Any guests on the tour? KeithK? KeefB? Keith Richards? Denise > > Richards? > > > Debbie Denise? Debbie Harry? Harry Williamson? Prince Harry/William? > > > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > > > > > ObCDR: excerpts taken from www.OresundSpaceCollective.com > > > > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Mar 21 20:19:55 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:19:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords 25 Years Message-ID: no - not legitimately anyway Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords 25 Years > There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of > the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. > Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? > > Mick > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Mon Mar 21 22:22:01 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:22:01 -0800 Subject: Stalk-Forest Message-ID: I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, hey now I'll buy the Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. Never see it show up on my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me it's on backorder. If it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I call a couple of days before the month lapses, it's still on backorder and they don't know when it will come in. There are 10 other orders in front of mine. I don't like being strung out. If they can't sell it to me, why don't they &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this &$)(#&$)( to you, Albert? Or did you get your own copy without the &$)(#&$)#? So, thanks for everybody's recommendations and no thanks to Rhino Handmade for displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. Gary --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 21 22:49:45 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:49:45 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <20050322032201.84635.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:22 -0800, gary shindler wrote: > I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, hey now I'll buy the > Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. Never see it show up on > my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me it's on backorder. If > it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I call a couple of days > before the month lapses, it's still on backorder and they don't know > when it will come in. There are 10 other orders in front of mine. I > don't like being strung out. If they can't sell it to me, why don't > they &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this &$)(#&$)( to you, Albert? > Or did you get your own copy without the &$)(#&$)#? So, thanks for > everybody's recommendations and no thanks to Rhino Handmade for > displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. It doesn't make much sense to me for the CD to be on "back order" because it was a numbered limited edition of 5000 (mine says "1735/5000" on the CD spine, and I believe I ordered from Rhino Handmade during prerelease). Of course, by "back order" they might mean they hope to get some copies trickle back in via sale or return from distributors or retailers, but I wouldn't imagine that was very likely to happen. Unfortunately, with these limited edition deals, you pretty much have to strike whilst the iron is hot to have a good chance of getting one easily. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 22 05:17:00 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:17:00 +0000 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <1111463385.57633.22.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 22-Mar-2005 03:49, Paul Mather wrote: > Unfortunately, with these limited edition deals, you pretty much have to > strike whilst the iron is hot to have a good chance of getting one > easily. This is exactly the sort of thing that they should just sell as downloadable FLACs. After all, they've already done the work to sort out the audio for the CD, and if they expect to have trouble moving enough physical copies to justify the costs of another run of 5000 discs, they might as sell you the audio (and a PDF of inserts, if you want) for 10 or 12 bucks on demand. That costs little beyond some disc space and bandwidth. Kollectors can still scramble for the limited edition physical media when it's released :) everyone else can still buy the music whenever they like. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 22 06:41:20 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:41:20 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <20050322032201.84635.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:22 PM, gary shindler wrote: > I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, hey now I'll buy the > Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. Never see it show up on > my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me it's on backorder. If > it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I call a couple of days > before the month lapses, it's still on backorder and they don't know > when it will come in. There are 10 other orders in front of mine. I > don't After the first 1500 or so copies sold I was told they were going to make it available in some stores. They are probably waiting for returns. I know I haven't been paid for the whole 5000 yet. More like 3000 so far. > like being strung out. If they can't sell it to me, why don't they > &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this &$)(#&$)( to you, Albert? Or > did you get your own copy without the &$)(#&$)#? So, thanks for > everybody's recommendations and no thanks to Rhino Handmade for > displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. I bought a copy when it first came out because I just couldn't wait to hear it. About 6 mos. after I got my copy another complementary copy came. They are slow. Sorry. If you are SOL I'll sell you my extra copy. Email me off list for details. Al From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Mar 22 07:06:29 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:06:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: One Eyed Bishops @ Burlington County College: 3/30/05 Message-ID: Greetings friends, The OEBs will be appearing at Burlington County College in Pemberton, New Jersey, on wednesday, March 30th, as part of the 'Creative Writers Guild', talent night. The event is free, beginning at 7:00 PM and running til 10PM. It all takes place in the cafeteria of the Parker Center building on the Pemberton main campus. For details and info write to Kristen at: creativewriters at hotmail.com or call (609) 894-9311 extension 7510 and leave a message. You can also visit the college website at: http://www.bcc.edu lineup: Mike Burro: guitar/vocals Greg Elwell: guitar Jay Adcock: percussion From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 22 09:45:09 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:45:09 -0800 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Albert. What would you want for your extra copy of the Stalk-Forest? So you've only been compensated for part of the release? I don't understand why they say there will be 5000 and then report that they're still being manufactured. Don't they sell out? I know the Stooges sold out. Is this all of the archival music left of that era? I was listening to Workshop of the Telescopes the other day and thought it would be great to have a bigger box set. Has Sony pondered the thought? Gary --- Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:22 PM, gary shindler wrote: > > > I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, hey > now I'll buy the > > Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. > Never see it show up on > > my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me > it's on backorder. If > > it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I call > a couple of days > > before the month lapses, it's still on backorder > and they don't know > > when it will come in. There are 10 other orders in > front of mine. I > > don't > > After the first 1500 or so copies sold I was told > they were going to > make it available in some stores. They are probably > waiting for > returns. I know I haven't been paid for the whole > 5000 yet. More like > 3000 so far. > > > like being strung out. If they can't sell it to > me, why don't they > > &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this &$)(#&$)( > to you, Albert? Or > > did you get your own copy without the &$)(#&$)#? > So, thanks for > > everybody's recommendations and no thanks to Rhino > Handmade for > > displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. > > I bought a copy when it first came out because I > just couldn't wait to > hear it. About 6 mos. after I got my copy another > complementary copy > came. They are slow. Sorry. If you are SOL I'll sell > you my extra copy. > Email me off list for details. > Al > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Tue Mar 22 09:55:18 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:55:18 +0100 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: Alisa wrote... >> Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > >March? :) Sorry, Alisa...you'll need to add a particular *year* here, so we know where your expectations lie. :) I mean, there's a big difference between March, 2006 and March, 2007. Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Thanks for the answers Colin...mebbe I'll try to catch that Wolverhampton (that's essentially Birmingham, yeah?) show then. Not sure what 'grotty' means, but I gather it's not particularly good. (comes from...grotto - cave??) From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 22 11:21:02 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:21:02 -0800 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <20050322144509.47681.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry for sending my reply to Albert to the list. Though it may elicit some discussion especially concerning another BOC box set. "It's not the side effects of the ----------." Fill in the blank there. Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From coral at APORT.RU Tue Mar 22 14:22:29 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:22:29 +0300 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: Well..... made a google search: "Hawkwind's 'Leadership' Album -- Hawkwind are to release their first all new studio album in seven years during April. It's called 'Take Me To Your Leader', and comes out on April 17 in the UK. " http://www.totalrock.com/news/archive/news-archive-2-2004.html I wonder...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Tour/CD... > Alisa wrote... > > >> Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > > >March? :) > > Sorry, Alisa...you'll need to add a particular *year* here, so we know where > your expectations lie. :) I mean, there's a big difference between March, > 2006 and March, 2007. > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Thanks for the answers Colin...mebbe I'll try to catch that > Wolverhampton (that's essentially Birmingham, yeah?) show then. Not sure > what 'grotty' means, but I gather it's not particularly good. (comes > from...grotto - cave??) > From coral at APORT.RU Tue Mar 22 14:24:06 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:24:06 +0300 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: I only forgot to add these news were from 2004! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Tour/CD... > Well..... made a google search: > > "Hawkwind's 'Leadership' Album -- Hawkwind are to release their first all > new studio album in seven years during April. It's called 'Take Me To Your > Leader', and comes out on April 17 in the UK. " > http://www.totalrock.com/news/archive/news-archive-2-2004.html > > I wonder...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henderson Keith" There are sellers advertising both Hawklords and WOTEOT CDs on the Rock Fever "label" on Amazon! Mick --- Henderson Keith wrote: > Rich said... > > >Looks like march of the bootleggers, seems like the > same set up as the Rock > >Fever bootlegs of Warrior. > > Yep...see here. > http://www.starfarer.net/photos145.html > They seem to date to c.2001. > > >There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of > >the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. > >Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? > > You can read the address of this 'record company' on > the photo above, which > says, Rock Fever Music, Baumstrasse 10, 22175 > Hamburg, Germany. > > The URL www.rock-fever.de site is dead, probably > because they're not legit > and closed up shop. The address is a real place, > though, according to a > Mapquest search, but who knows who lives there > today. > > Grakkl (FAA) > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Mar 22 14:55:46 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:55:46 -0500 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: Hi Alisa, That was from last year. Its 2005 now. :-) Shame it wasn't this april. Seems like its been forever. Cheers Stephe > Well..... made a google search: > > "Hawkwind's 'Leadership' Album -- Hawkwind are to release their first all > new studio album in seven years during April. It's called 'Take Me To Your > Leader', and comes out on April 17 in the UK. " > http://www.totalrock.com/news/archive/news-archive-2-2004.html > > I wonder...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henderson Keith" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: Tour/CD... > > > > Alisa wrote... > > > > >> Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > > > > >March? :) > > > > Sorry, Alisa...you'll need to add a particular *year* here, so we know > where > > your expectations lie. :) I mean, there's a big difference between > March, > > 2006 and March, 2007. > > > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) > > > > P.S. Thanks for the answers Colin...mebbe I'll try to catch that > > Wolverhampton (that's essentially Birmingham, yeah?) show then. Not sure > > what 'grotty' means, but I gather it's not particularly good. (comes > > from...grotto - cave??) > > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Mar 22 15:28:00 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:28:00 -0600 Subject: Tour/CD... In-Reply-To: <23732294.1111521346034.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: It's still March :-) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Tour/CD... Hi Alisa, That was from last year. Its 2005 now. :-) Shame it wasn't this april. Seems like its been forever. Cheers Stephe > Well..... made a google search: > > "Hawkwind's 'Leadership' Album -- Hawkwind are to release their first all > new studio album in seven years during April. It's called 'Take Me To Your > Leader', and comes out on April 17 in the UK. " > http://www.totalrock.com/news/archive/news-archive-2-2004.html > > I wonder...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henderson Keith" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: Tour/CD... > > > > Alisa wrote... > > > > >> Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > > > > >March? :) > > > > Sorry, Alisa...you'll need to add a particular *year* here, so we know > where > > your expectations lie. :) I mean, there's a big difference between > March, > > 2006 and March, 2007. > > > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) > > > > P.S. Thanks for the answers Colin...mebbe I'll try to catch that > > Wolverhampton (that's essentially Birmingham, yeah?) show then. Not sure > > what 'grotty' means, but I gather it's not particularly good. (comes > > from...grotto - cave??) > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 22 15:39:19 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:39:19 -0000 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: LOL, I would not describe Wolverhampton as "essentially Birmingham" to any locals:). Grotty is not particularly good. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson Keith" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Tour/CD... > Alisa wrote... > > >> Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). > > > >March? :) > > Sorry, Alisa...you'll need to add a particular *year* here, so we know where > your expectations lie. :) I mean, there's a big difference between March, > 2006 and March, 2007. > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Thanks for the answers Colin...mebbe I'll try to catch that > Wolverhampton (that's essentially Birmingham, yeah?) show then. Not sure > what 'grotty' means, but I gather it's not particularly good. (comes > from...grotto - cave??) > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 22 16:06:50 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:06:50 -0500 Subject: Tour/CD... Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:55:05 +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: >So...um....dare I ask? When/where's the CD going to be released? Surely, >*this* is the tour that's supposed to be joined up with its >release?! :) Well ... on the Yahoo! list, Hawkwind just posted a request (sans explanation) for consultation on Ableton Live (computer recording/sequencing software). HOPEFULLY that just means that they need some assistance getting together the backing tracks for the upcoming tour (which the software is apparently very good for - an acquaintence in a band signed to Interscope uses it for their backing tracks). But if it's because there are issues with having used it to record the album ... at least we're used to waiting patiently! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Tue Mar 22 16:11:43 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:11:43 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? Message-ID: I realise that Black Hearts of Soul has only just been fairly recently released, but is there a scheduled date (and title?) for the new BS album. After hearing all the new stuff at the London gig I can't wait - in fact I'm a little impaitent :-) Al - any news yet? .......Charles the Grinning Boy From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Mar 22 17:30:14 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:30:14 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest Message-ID: I found my copy at a non-mainstream record shop in Orlando. If you have a good shop around where you live, it wouldn't hurt to check it out. tim 8>)... Albert Bouchard wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:22 PM, gary shindler wrote: > > > I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, hey now I'll buy the > > Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. Never see it show up on > > my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me it's on backorder. If > > it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I call a couple of days > > before the month lapses, it's still on backorder and they don't know > > when it will come in. There are 10 other orders in front of mine. I > > don't > > After the first 1500 or so copies sold I was told they were going to > make it available in some stores. They are probably waiting for > returns. I know I haven't been paid for the whole 5000 yet. More like > 3000 so far. > > > like being strung out. If they can't sell it to me, why don't they > > &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this &$)(#&$)( to you, Albert? Or > > did you get your own copy without the &$)(#&$)#? So, thanks for > > everybody's recommendations and no thanks to Rhino Handmade for > > displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. > > I bought a copy when it first came out because I just couldn't wait to > hear it. About 6 mos. after I got my copy another complementary copy > came. They are slow. Sorry. If you are SOL I'll sell you my extra copy. > Email me off list for details. > Al From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 22 17:55:50 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest Message-ID: It looks like there are copies available at amazon.com, too. (I found my copy at Amoeba records in San Francisco, but that's just about the biggest record store in the world.) (And I've had to buy copies of albums I'm on several times, so it's comforting to know that even real rock stars have to sometimes.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:30:14 -0500, Tim wrote: >I found my copy at a non-mainstream record shop in Orlando. If you have >a good shop around where you live, it wouldn't hurt to check it out. >tim 8>)... From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 22 17:58:00 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:58:00 -0800 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought it was sold on the internet only?! I live in BF, Oklahoma and you couldn't even find any Hawkwind here. My store in OKC wouldn't trade last time I brought a bunch of LPs so I'm kind of indie-storeless. But I am looking to move to Kansas City so the future looks bright. --- Tim wrote: > I found my copy at a non-mainstream record shop in > Orlando. If you have a good shop around where you > live, it wouldn't hurt to check it out. > tim 8>)... > Albert Bouchard wrote: > > > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:22 PM, gary shindler > wrote: > > > > > I'm pissed off. I got some cash and figured, > hey now I'll buy the > > > Stalk-Forest CD. Order it from Rhino Handmade. > Never see it show up on > > > my bank account. Eventually call. They tell me > it's on backorder. If > > > it doesn't come in within a month I'm SOL. I > call a couple of days > > > before the month lapses, it's still on > backorder and they don't know > > > when it will come in. There are 10 other orders > in front of mine. I > > > don't > > > > After the first 1500 or so copies sold I was told > they were going to > > make it available in some stores. They are > probably waiting for > > returns. I know I haven't been paid for the whole > 5000 yet. More like > > 3000 so far. > > > > > like being strung out. If they can't sell it to > me, why don't they > > > &)$#&$()*#in' tell me. Did they do this > &$)(#&$)( to you, Albert? Or > > > did you get your own copy without the > &$)(#&$)#? So, thanks for > > > everybody's recommendations and no thanks to > Rhino Handmade for > > > displeasing a customer. Rant rant rant. > > > > I bought a copy when it first came out because I > just couldn't wait to > > hear it. About 6 mos. after I got my copy another > complementary copy > > came. They are slow. Sorry. If you are SOL I'll > sell you my extra copy. > > Email me off list for details. > > Al > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 22 18:09:51 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:09:51 -0500 Subject: The Last Trump Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:35:53 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Eric Siegerman writes: > >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 11:59:13AM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >> > Terrific effort Mike, really deserves a wider audience. >> >> Well, I've started :-) It's been forwarded to a few friends & >> relations already.... > >Yeah, feel free... > >> > Maybe you should >> > send it off... somewhere... anyone have an idea where? >> >> The Onion? > >Can't see them publishing something I just did for a lark. Too late now (although theirs isn't any better than Mike's IMHO) ... "Now that the whore-beasts and the scum-sucking degenerate rat bastards in Wall Street and the White House are hell-bent on turning us all into pliant, Scripture-mewling puppet-slaveys, we must take up Hunter's fallen colors and charge into the fray," said NGPC president Gene Zolonga, who is the National Affairs and Shark Hunting Editor for The Philadelphia Inquirer. "The next four years will be an unprecedented monument to bestial human ugliness, but I'd sooner let Yakuza thugs strap a rabid wolverine to my groin than shirk my responsibilities as a gonzo journalist." The heavily sweating, speed-frenzied Zolonga then removed a Luger automatic pistol from his coat and shot the microphone with a deafening blast. from http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4112&n=3 (NGPC = National Gonzo Press Club) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 22 18:23:16 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:23:16 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <20050322225800.45558.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 14:58 -0800, gary shindler wrote: > I thought it was sold on the internet only?! I live in > BF, Oklahoma and you couldn't even find any Hawkwind > here. My store in OKC wouldn't trade last time I > brought a bunch of LPs so I'm kind of indie-storeless. > But I am looking to move to Kansas City so the future > looks bright. Somewhere on the Rhino Handmade site (maybe in the "sound off" section) it states that they reserve sales of new releases exclusively through their Web site for the first 30 days of release. After that, they let them be sold via retail outlets. They also mention that they know that something is definitively "out of print" if it sells out the entire run in this first 30 day period, as they know that's all there is to sell. If it doesn't sell out, it may still be available in some shop out there somewhere, and so presumably won't end up on the "out of print" section of their Web site. (That sounds like a crazy definition of "out of print" to me, but it would help explain why their "out of print" section isn't bigger than it is.) I also saw in the "sound off" section some complaints about at least one of the Rhino Handmade releases subsequently ending up being released on the Collector's Choice label---and in a non-limited edition at a cheaper price to boot! So, I guess there is a possibility of some of their releases getting subsequent wider exposure on other labels given enough interest. Cheers, Paul. PS: If you think things are bad, years ago we had to airlift Hawkwind CDs to the poor deprived masses in the USA. (Read the archives if you think I'm kidding.:) -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 22 18:37:40 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:37:40 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? In-Reply-To: <00ab01c52f23$c1770210$e8fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Chas wrote: > I realise that Black Hearts of Soul has only just been fairly recently > released, but is there a scheduled date (and title?) for the new BS > album. > After hearing all the new stuff at the London gig I can't wait - in > fact I'm > a little impaitent :-) Al - any news yet? We are looking for a better record company situation right now. It will probably take 1/2 months before we have a deal in place and another month to finalize it. Then 3 months to get it ready for release (art, media hype, manufacturing etc.). So the earliest I figure is October. Our working title is Denial of Death. We're impatient too! I'm ready to start working on the next one. Al From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Mar 22 19:19:47 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:19:47 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Tim : > I found my copy at a non-mainstream record shop in Orlando. Which one? The one on the corner of Semoran and Aloma (or was it Alafaya Trail)? I used to live near that (and will be in Orlando next week). -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "You should have seen the curse that flew right by you Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Mar 22 19:37:55 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:37:55 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? In-Reply-To: <3efeb804596e82dad51b2be21910e2ac@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 22 Mar 2005, at 23:37, Albert Bouchard wrote: > So the earliest I figure is October. Argh! Well, so it goes. The London gig likewise left me keen to hear the new stuff in take-home format. In fact, I rushed right out and ordered _Black Hearts of Soul_ (quite useful to me even without the new tracks, since a couple of my tBS CDs are in NY, and _BHoS_ fills some of that gap), but ya know it's not enough :) > Our working title is Denial of Death. > We're impatient too! I'm ready to start working on the next one. Oh, well, no time like the present! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL Wed Mar 23 08:56:20 2005 From: bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:56:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords 25 Years In-Reply-To: <20050322195029.84860.qmail@web86208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, this guy http://search.stores.ebay.de/search/search.dll?query=hawkwind&srchdesc=y&sid=41923805&store=Progressive-Rock-CD-Shop&colorid=4&fp=0&st=2&submit=Finden seems to have around a 100 of each title in stock (and relatively cheap) By this I do not mean that everybody needs to go and buy a few ;-) --BArt On 22 Mar 2005 at 19:50, Michael Crook wrote: Date sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:50:29 +0000 From: Michael Crook Subject: Re: [BOC-L] HW: Hawklords 25 Years To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > There are sellers advertising both Hawklords and > WOTEOT CDs on the Rock Fever "label" on Amazon! > > Mick > > > > --- Henderson Keith wrote: > > Rich said... > > > > >Looks like march of the bootleggers, seems like the > > same set up as the Rock > > >Fever bootlegs of Warrior. > > > > Yep...see here. > > http://www.starfarer.net/photos145.html > > They seem to date to c.2001. > > > > >There seem to be quite a few 'new sealed' copies of > > >the Hawklords CD with extra live tracks on Ebay. > > >Has it been re-released? Possible abroad?? > > > > You can read the address of this 'record company' on > > the photo above, which > > says, Rock Fever Music, Baumstrasse 10, 22175 > > Hamburg, Germany. > > > > The URL www.rock-fever.de site is dead, probably > > because they're not legit > > and closed up shop. The address is a real place, > > though, according to a > > Mapquest search, but who knows who lives there > > today. > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From senator at ZLOTY.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Wed Mar 23 09:37:47 2005 From: senator at ZLOTY.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:37:47 -0800 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: from "Doug Pearson" at Mar 22, 2005 05:55:50 PM Message-ID: AB-CD also lists it as available: http://www.ab-cd.com/icbin/media/RHIH7716.2.html Decent selection of Hawkwind as well. Bill From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Wed Mar 23 13:36:03 2005 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:36:03 -0000 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <20050323143747.C0D8254802@zloty.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't Fear the Reaper what two or three albums should I start with to get into them? Mind you, if someone asked the same question about Hawkwind I'd probably insist they bought at least a dozen albums to get a fair sampling :-) I could probably stretch to half a dozen BOC albums if the panel thinks it's worth it. JR From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 23 13:49:21 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:49:21 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? In-Reply-To: <3efeb804596e82dad51b2be21910e2ac@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 18:37 -0500, Albert Bouchard wrote: > On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Chas wrote: > > > I realise that Black Hearts of Soul has only just been fairly recently > > released, but is there a scheduled date (and title?) for the new BS > > album. > > After hearing all the new stuff at the London gig I can't wait - in > > fact I'm > > a little impaitent :-) Al - any news yet? > > We are looking for a better record company situation right now. So, are you unhappy with the way Cellsum Records have been treating you? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Hit Squad_ -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Wed Mar 23 13:50:50 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:50:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: >>> hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK 3/23/2005 1:36:03 PM >>> As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't Fear the Reaper what two or three albums should I start with to get into them? Secret Treaties is pretty much considered their best album. Their first 3 are all uniformly great. Sony sells the first 3 in a 3-pack that's pretty cheap. You wouldn't do badly in getting that... theo From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 23 14:07:26 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:07:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Mar 2005, at 18:50, Ted Jackson wrote: > Secret Treaties is pretty much considered their best album. Their > first 3 are all uniformly great. What he said :) I've never been very happy with the _sound_ on the first three BOC albums, but the material is fab, particularly on _Secret Treaties_. The first 4 (including _Agents of Fortune_, whence "Reaper") have been released in ye olde "remastered + bonus tracks" format, and don't break the bank, I think. I also quite like _Fire of Unknown Origin_, perhaps best known for having the other "hit" ("Burning for You"), but has a bunch of other great songs as well. I'm also going to take this opportunity to champion _Imaginos_, which isn't *really* a proper BOC album, but remains one of my favorite albums in general :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 23 14:09:39 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:09:39 -0800 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <004801c52fd7$2b442ed0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: I would say the first three, sure. I would get the remasters though because there are extra songs and liner notes by Lenny Kaye, Patti Smith's guitarist/Nuggets compiler. "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" is probably my favorite live album by anybody so I'd strongly recommend that. If you really like "Don't Fear the Reaper" you'd probably do okay with "Agents of Fortune" and "Spectres." "Fire of Unknown Origin" is good too. When I was in high school I had a double cassette of "Agents" and "Spectres" that I listened to constantly. I also wore out "Secret Treaties." I'm surprised that one likes Hawkwind before really getting into BOC but I'm a yank and Hawkwind was only the band that Lemmy was in before when I was in high school. Hell, I was probably the only kid in town that listened to Motorhead because I stalked the convenience stores for Creem, Circus and Hit Parader. Rambling... I just recently listened to "Imaginos" and I don't quite get the album. I know it's thought of highly, but I find the extra singer distracting and the remake of "Astronomy" doesn't stand up that well, to me. --- Hawkfan wrote: > As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't > Fear the Reaper what two or > three albums should I start with to get into them? > > Mind you, if someone asked the same question about > Hawkwind I'd probably > insist they bought at least a dozen albums to get a > fair sampling :-) I > could probably stretch to half a dozen BOC albums if > the panel thinks it's > worth it. > > JR > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Wed Mar 23 15:05:49 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:05:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Summer festivals...some HW: for good measure Message-ID: Hey Folks... To update you on the mid-summer Euro-festivals, I offer the following... So...sadly, the organizer of the KosmosFestival, where Litmus and Mr. Quimby's Beard were set to perform, became ill to the point that he could no longer do the job, so it's been cancelled. Bummer. Oh, well, the Burg Herzberg fest goes on, and I've written to them to encourage them to pick up Litmus at least (MQB played there last year, and it's unusual to have a band play there two years in a row...yeah, I know Anekdoten played last year, but those that were there to see Hawkwind know that their set was cut short by 30 minutes by a huge rainstorm, so I imagine this is a bit of a make up for that). So, this is not the final lineup, they'll have a few more bands added on at some point. On June 9-12, I've decided to head up to Sweden to the Sweden Rock Festival, where HW played last year, actually. It's mostly just a bunch of metal bands (some good ones, some not so good), though Motorhead are playing, as well as We, the very cool psychy-stoner-metal band from Norway (is it?). And don't forget Roadburn coming up soon (April 9th in Tilburg, Holland), with Nik Turner, Litmus, et al. I'm still hemming and hawing, but will probably go for it. Porcupine Tree plays the same theatre/club two days later, so I'd go to that too probably. Their new album, with Adrian Belew guesting, comes out in a week or two, so it will be interesting to see if they're headed up or down currently. Have just seen two shows with stoner acts Gas Giant (Copenhagen) and Phased (Basel)...really good shows and nice guys to hang out with. Of course, ScottH. was along for the ride as merchandising king, so nice to talk to him in person again, and plan out summer activities. The Oresund Space Collective is going nicely, and once the Cambridge crew get their 'collective' into shape :), then there should be a large North Sea Space Collective formed with 20 members or so. Just a suggestion. :) Anybody coming from the US/DE/HD for the Hawkwind dates in May? I'm poor now (I'm homeless and jobless as of next week), so I might want to see about sharing rides/flats/rooms on the tour. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Those Mars Volta CDs are not bad. Not sure about the singer's voice...kindy screechy, but perhaps I'll get used to it (it sounds better in Spanish). But the music's cool...lots of variety and interesting influences. Tool fans would probably enjoy some of this stuff. P.P.S. Hi Karen...nice to hear from you again. Keep posting. OK, here's the lineup I promised... Burg Herzberg - 14-17 July, 2005; working lineup Thursday: Session-Band Colour Haze W.I.N.D. (Italy) Friday: Anekdoten Audience Mostly Autumn Big Brother & the Holding Company Love with Arthur Lee The Amber Light Saturday: Epitaph Jane Ten Years After Manfred Mann's Earth Band IQ Korai ?rom Sunday: Berimbrown Bucovina Club Orkestar Psycho Key From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 23 15:40:17 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:40:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Summer festivals...some HW: for good measure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Mar 2005, at 20:05, Henderson Keith wrote: > On June 9-12, I've decided to head up to Sweden to the Sweden Rock > Festival, > where HW played last year, actually. It's mostly just a bunch of metal > bands (some good ones, some not so good), though Motorhead are > playing, as > well as We, the very cool psychy-stoner-metal band from Norway (is > it?). Norway, yes. I saw We in London, mmm, must be 8 years ago or something now and they were very good. I occasionally hear more of their recent stuff courtesy of the good Mr. Heller :) Rockin' dudes. > The Oresund Space > Collective is going nicely, and once the Cambridge crew get their > 'collective' into shape :), then there should be a large North Sea > Space > Collective formed with 20 members or so. Just a suggestion. :) Ja, well, the "Cambridge crew" would need to expand beyond myself and Mr. Jarrett's good intentions (though "Mr. Jarrett's Good Intentions" would be a good name for a synth soundscape instrumental ;) We would need a drummer for a start! I'd be happy just to tempt others into an online collective. (Out of the basement and into ... the virtual basement!) > I'm poor now (I'm homeless and jobless as of next week) But clearly not short on festivals to go too :) Buy some drums and get a job in Cambridge (admittedly not the music capital of the world ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Mar 23 15:43:00 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:43:00 -0000 Subject: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <004801c52fd7$2b442ed0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: I'd go along with pretty much everything recommended so far, except Imaginos. I always thought that to "get" Imaginos, you need to have heard the first three albums first. I love Imaginos by the way. If you can stretch to six, in order of personal preference I would go for 1. Tyranny and Mutation 2. Secret Treaties 3. Blue Oyster Cult 4. Spectres 5. On Your Feet Or On Your Knees 6. Fire Of Unknown Origin (which contains "Veterans of the Psychic Wars" by Michael Moorcock) If you buy these six, you'll be so into BOC that you'll want to buy the rest anyway. (As a Hawkwind fan, you may also want "Mirrors" which contains "The Great Sun Jester" with lyrics courtesy of Michael Moorcock". Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Hawkfan Sent: 23 March 2005 18:36 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't Fear the Reaper what two or three albums should I start with to get into them? Mind you, if someone asked the same question about Hawkwind I'd probably insist they bought at least a dozen albums to get a fair sampling :-) I could probably stretch to half a dozen BOC albums if the panel thinks it's worth it. JR From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Mar 23 16:06:10 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:06:10 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? Message-ID: Aaaah - six months, I can see how this must be really frustrating for musicians when they are already to go but the logistics are against you - it's bad enough for the fans. I don't suppose there will be a 'fan club' only release of a couple of tracks (or even demos), sampler on the web site... :-))) Good luck with the record company situation, if the gig was anything to go by it will be worth the wait. Is there any significance in the potential title? Charles the Grinning Boy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album? > On 22 Mar 2005, at 23:37, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > So the earliest I figure is October. > > Argh! Well, so it goes. The London gig likewise left me keen to hear > the new stuff in take-home format. In fact, I rushed right out and > ordered _Black Hearts of Soul_ (quite useful to me even without the new > tracks, since a couple of my tBS CDs are in NY, and _BHoS_ fills some > of that gap), but ya know it's not enough :) > > > Our working title is Denial of Death. > > We're impatient too! I'm ready to start working on the next one. > > Oh, well, no time like the present! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 23 16:28:24 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:28:24 -0000 Subject: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: Rather than go straight for studio albums - I'd get the live album called On Your Feet or On Your Knees and the compilation album called Career of Evil. You'll get a good sampling of about ten years of good music there. And On Your Feet or On Your Knees is possibly the finest live rock album ever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkfan" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners > As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't Fear the Reaper what two or > three albums should I start with to get into them? > > Mind you, if someone asked the same question about Hawkwind I'd probably > insist they bought at least a dozen albums to get a fair sampling :-) I > could probably stretch to half a dozen BOC albums if the panel thinks it's > worth it. > > JR > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 23 16:35:29 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:35:29 +0000 Subject: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <000201c52fe8$e76b6360$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On 23 Mar 2005, at 20:43, Tony wrote: > I'd go along with pretty much everything recommended so far, except > Imaginos. I always thought that to "get" Imaginos, you need to have > heard > the first three albums first. I love Imaginos by the way. It's true that you see Imaginos differently after getting into the first several albums (particularly _ST_), though having come late to BOC (early 90s!) Imaginos was one of the first albums I heard (along with FoUO and ETLive!) and it grabbed me right away. I even like the Astronomy reworking, though I hadn't spent the previous 15 years listening to the original -- I think some version of Astronomy belongs on Imaginos, and though on balance, I like the original arrangement better and it's cool to hear a different arrangement. Though come to think of it, I think I like "Blue Oyster Cult" on Imaginos better than "Subhuman" on ST. The only thing that I never got into on Imaginos was "Imaginos" itself. It just felt a little too bouncy for an album ending with such grandiose arrangements elsewhere on it. Ah well! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Mar 23 16:36:05 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:36:05 EST Subject: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2005 4:28:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: < Message-ID: One word - heresy!! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 23 March 2005 21:35 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Which albums for beginners ... Though come to think of it, I think I like "Blue Oyster Cult" on Imaginos better than "Subhuman" on ST. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 23 17:12:03 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:12:03 +0000 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 17 Mar 2005, at 22:57, Nick Medford wrote: > > I do remember watching about 10 minutes of Sylvester > > McCoy as the Dr, and feeling outraged at this feeble travesty of my > > cherished childhood memories- don't tell me the Whovians dig Sylvester > > too, it can't be the case, surely?? > > Don't think I qualify as a Whovian, but I thought the likes of McCoy > and Colin Baker were actually reasonable interpretations of the > character (IMO, it would be boring if the Doctor were always the same), > but were often very ill-served by the scripts from their periods. I quite liked McCoy at the age I was when that came out, I thought he was odd enough to be the Doctor all right, but I rarely if ever watched it (though obviously like any sane person I loved the theme tune). I had since then gathered that the main reasons Who buffs favoured that incarnation was because that was the first time the Doctor had an even faintly attractive sidekick. I'm not sure I ever agreed with that but I'm sure I've seen it expressed. Yours, Jon (who is writing up) ObCD: Red Giant - _Ultramagnetic Glowing Sound_ (I hope I've mentioned how good this album is already? It's really good. Hey! I'll post you a mini-review I wrote when I first got it: Subject: Red Giant - _Ultramagnetic Glowing Sound_ `New one and I am quite impressed. In my imagination the creative process here is something like this: some Axelrod-like figure descends upon Fu Manchu c. 1996, smokes a lot with them and says, "boys, I like your sound a whole lot, but you could be doing so much more". So they get some band like Keelhaul or someone *slightly* calmer to send them some spare songs, and spend a while putting them together and so on but it doesn't come out right no matter how hard they try, and the Axelrod type departs in high dudgeon to find a more ambitious and biddable band. In Cleveland Ohio he finds Red Giant, anxious as hell to get out as is everyone there with any ties to the counter-culture, and they smoke a lot more, and then he plays the demos at them and says, "how would you guys do this?" and they say "well, the transitions are all a bit choppy and messy, we'd basically drench all the changes in echoplexed delay and feedback, generally do things slower half the time and faster the other half, and, oh, yeah, we'd channel the spirit of one of Comets on Fire's guitarists in case it started to sound too much like we were trying to play doom." "Anything else?" says the Axelrod guy, and they say, "well, yeah, we'd also like to change all the lyrics about vans and girls so that they're about gods, stars and spaceships" at which point the mentor goes and books the studio time and the results are about to go round on my CD player again. I like this.' -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Mar 23 17:25:35 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:25:35 +0000 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I had > since then gathered that the main reasons Who buffs favoured that > incarnation was because that was the first time the Doctor had an even > faintly attractive sidekick. I'm not sure I ever agreed with that but > I'm > sure I've seen it expressed. I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over Baker's sidekick? Wossname ... Romana? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 23 17:34:29 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:34:29 -0800 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <1a643dcae3caa2b8b2660da9f1a10cb2@carlaz.com> Message-ID: I favored Lela, (probably not the right spelling) quite the pouty, tough &$)&#$(# she was. Tom Baker wound up marrying the woman who played the last sidekick, I believe. My wife pondered knitting me a Tom Baker-ish scarf but it would cost a fortune for the yarn. --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I had > > since then gathered that the main reasons Who > buffs favoured that > > incarnation was because that was the first time > the Doctor had an even > > faintly attractive sidekick. I'm not sure I ever > agreed with that but > > I'm > > sure I've seen it expressed. > > I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over > Baker's sidekick? > Wossname ... Romana? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 23 17:36:33 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:36:33 -0800 Subject: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <1ec.3790f724.2f733b45@aol.com> Message-ID: I would place "On Your Feet" over "Space Ritual." Probably because I've been listening to it for 20 years. --- Stewartbas at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2005 4:28:42 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > < finest live rock album > < > > > No, No, that would be 'Space Ritual' > > bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 23 17:39:34 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:39:34 -0000 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style Message-ID: Woah - I've just been reading the Glastonbury tickets info with mounting astonishment at the intensifying quality (and quantity) of restrictions and have to say that this is one festival I've decided never to visit again. (official site) http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ and click on tickets (unofficial site) http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury/2005/tickets.shtml Quite apart from rigorously checking to make sure that the people you are buying tickets for are who you say they are and that only debit cards can be used to pay for tickets, personal cheques not being acceptable etc etc. - this time Personal ID will be required at the gate and the ONLY acceptable forms of this ID will be: a new style plastic-card type driving licence (so basically if you don't drive you don't get in) OR Government Approved Photo ID such as.... a Citizencard and, guess what, you can apply for one on-line. So now I'm confused - is this really a Festival or some new kind of State Sponsored Detention Camp - it's all rather strange but either way, it doesn't sound like fun any more. Glastonbury Festival requiring Government Approved National ID cards before allowing you entry. Who would have thought it? Ah well - I shall go and raise a glass in celebration of memories - I guess it's all there is now cheers jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 23 17:40:32 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:40:32 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Thus spake Kilmisthustra... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > Article about Lem in the MSM...what's wrong with this picture? > > www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/17/leisure.motorhead.reut/index.html In case anyone else hasn't followed that link, the last line is a classic. Yours, Jon ObCD: still Red Giant -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Mar 23 17:37:18 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:18 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest Message-ID: Rock N roll Heaven at 1814 north orange avenue. Take exit 85 off I-4 (princeton street) east to No. Orange, turn right(south) on No. Orange, RnR Heaven is down a few blocks on right. I also found Amon Duul, Kaptain Kopter&Twirlybirds,Can & other hard to find cds there. Lotsa luck tim 8>)... David Kuznick wrote: > > Quoting Tim : > > > I found my copy at a non-mainstream record shop in Orlando. > > Which one? The one on the corner of Semoran and Aloma (or was it Alafaya > Trail)? I used to live near that (and will be in Orlando next week). > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "You should have seen the curse that flew right by you > Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway > Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod > crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Mar 23 17:59:31 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:59:31 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Leela was one of those being interviewed the other night and as she pointed out, the costume designers dressed her in a leather leotard that revealed - quite a lot - and then the programme was put out immediately after the football results! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary shindler" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: dr. who >I favored Lela, (probably not the right spelling) > quite the pouty, tough &$)&#$(# she was. Tom Baker > wound up marrying the woman who played the last > sidekick, I believe. My wife pondered knitting me a > Tom Baker-ish scarf but it would cost a fortune for > the yarn. > --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > I had >> > since then gathered that the main reasons Who >> buffs favoured that >> > incarnation was because that was the first time >> the Doctor had an even >> > faintly attractive sidekick. I'm not sure I ever >> agreed with that but >> > I'm >> > sure I've seen it expressed. >> >> I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over >> Baker's sidekick? >> Wossname ... Romana? >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> http://www.carlaz.com/ >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 23 19:00:57 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:57 -0500 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: <004101c52ff9$31e635e0$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 22:39 +0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: > Woah - I've just been reading the Glastonbury tickets info with > mounting astonishment at the intensifying quality (and quantity) of > restrictions and have to say that this is one festival I've decided > never to visit again. > > (official site) http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ and click > on tickets > (unofficial site) > http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury/2005/tickets.shtml > > Quite apart from rigorously checking to make sure that the people > you are buying tickets for are who you say they are and that only > debit cards can be used to pay for tickets, personal cheques not > being acceptable etc etc. - this time Personal ID will be > required at the gate and the ONLY acceptable forms of this ID will > be: a new style plastic-card type driving licence (so basically > if you don't drive you don't get in) OR Government Approved Photo > ID such as.... a Citizencard and, guess what, you can apply for one > on-line. > > So now I'm confused - is this really a Festival or some new kind of > State Sponsored Detention Camp - it's all rather strange but either > way, it doesn't sound like fun any more. Glastonbury Festival > requiring Government Approved National ID cards before allowing you > entry. Who would have thought it? Sounds to me that they are taking a leaf out of Hawkwind's book and making sure they only admit people for whom they have name and address details (to keep the police happy). It also sounds like they are taking a leaf out of FIFA's book, at least as far as purchasing World Cup tickets goes (which have various similar restrictions; are "personalised"; and are [or at least at one stage were] to bear RFID stickers so that the holders can be tracked around the stadiums). They also seemed to me to be paranoid about scalpers and getting paid. That would explain their preference for debit cards and cashiers cheques (bank drafts, postal orders, etc.). Obviously, Glastonbury must be popular enough that they can heap on all these unpalatable hoops through which they make people jump and still have people do it. As for ID cards, I thought they were all the rage and a vital necessity---at least you'd think so from all those gutless Labour MPs that fell into line when the whips barked their orders to vote for them. (Sheer madness! "Future generations are relying on us!") :-( I don't know how much of Glastonbury's actions are to do with the increasingly litigious society; the "law and order" cultural obsession post-9/11; or just increased corporatism in festivals. But, quite obviously, the old-style large-scale hippy festivals are gone. But, I thought everyone knew that already. BTW, I read recently on the Grauniad that the Tories want to clamp down on the Travellers as part of their election manifesto. Some things never change... Cheers, Paul. NP: Pink Floyd, Hollywood Bowl, 1972-09-22 -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 23 19:58:36 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:58:36 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: that way, the male population got to score twice!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > Leela was one of those being interviewed the other night and as she > pointed out, the costume designers dressed her in a leather leotard > that revealed - quite a lot - and then the programme was put out > immediately after the football results! > > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gary shindler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: dr. who > > > >I favored Lela, (probably not the right spelling) > > quite the pouty, tough &$)&#$(# she was. Tom Baker > > wound up marrying the woman who played the last > > sidekick, I believe. My wife pondered knitting me a > > Tom Baker-ish scarf but it would cost a fortune for > > the yarn. > > --- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > >> On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: > >> > I had > >> > since then gathered that the main reasons Who > >> buffs favoured that > >> > incarnation was because that was the first time > >> the Doctor had an even > >> > faintly attractive sidekick. I'm not sure I ever > >> agreed with that but > >> > I'm > >> > sure I've seen it expressed. > >> > >> I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over > >> Baker's sidekick? > >> Wossname ... Romana? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Carl > >> > >> -- > >> Carl Edlund Anderson > >> http://www.carlaz.com/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Wed Mar 23 23:22:40 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:22:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <004801c52fd7$2b442ed0$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: On 23/03/2005 19.36, Hawkfan wrote: > As someone who has heard no BOC except for Don't Fear the Reaper what two or > three albums should I start with to get into them? I've ever thought that a good rule in the process of getting into a band is following the chronological order, especially if it's about a long-story-multi-dimension-multi-version band like BOC. So, I think that a good place to start are the first four studio albums, in chronological order: Blue Oyster Cult Tyranny and Mutation Secret Treaties Agents of Fortune Fire Of Unknown Origin is worth a try too. It's one of my favorite albums. The "not-entirely-a-BOC-album" Imaginos is wonderful but quite difficult to understand if one doesn't know their first works. I also think that the live dimension is fundamental to fully appreciate a band. It's where one can find out how the band feels about its own songs. On Your Feet Or On Your Knees is the top live album of BOC, in my opinion. After all that, if you don't know Brain Surgeons, you may give them a try. The past month I introduced a friend of mine to tBS music. After listening to Malpractice he started buying their CDs because "in some way they are more BOC than BOC themselves" (his words). Piece of Work or better Malpractice (since you're a HW fan) are a good place to start. I'm too tired to check my English, I'm sorry for any mistake I made 8) Cheers, Gian Maria -- ID of Retribution "Like all good Dictators, I'm a sweetheart as long as you play by my rules..." (Asia Carrera) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 24 03:35:47 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:35:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: Which albums for beginners In-Reply-To: <42424090.4050205@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On 24 Mar 2005, at 04:22, Ivars Doyle wrote: > After all that, if you don't know Brain Surgeons, you may give them a > try. The past month I introduced a friend of mine to tBS music. After > listening to Malpractice he started buying their CDs because "in some > way they are more BOC than BOC themselves" (his words). Piece of Work > or > better Malpractice (since you're a HW fan) are a good place to start. For a HW fan, Malpractise is indeed the ideal place to start on The Brain Surgeons, with its covers of "Needle Gun" and "Hassan I Sabha" (great versions, too). The Black Hearts of Soul compilation duplicates one track on _Malpractise_, but otherwise offers a decent collection of album tracks plus the bonus of a few tracks from the current lineup. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Mar 24 04:45:03 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:45:03 +0000 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: <1111622458.75545.26.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Unfortunately the festival died a long time ago. Infact its been in steady decline since 1990 when the drugs of choice swiftly moved from Hash & Acid to Coke & E The music changed from the site reverberating to dub reggae, which being a body rhythm enabled you to sleep well. To a blaring 4/4 beat which just drilled through your cranium, and now no area is safe from the beat. Since then the vandals, ripoff dealers, thugs & thieves moved it (hey its easy to nick from tents, a cosh a stoner !!!!!) It was an eventuality that the "prison" style fence went up and with it the loss of not only the criminals (no problem there), but they also rubbed out the only remnants of the old festival, sub cultures & alternative politics, lifestyles & music that used to give it that special vibe. The corporate styling makes you want to choke, and the kind of acts headlining on that big stage really shows was a media focus, easy listening, shallow place its become. I ask you Kylie ? ....what utter shit... Stopped going a couple of years ago after I realised that it was just horrible, Im very sad and angry as it was with out a shadow of a doubt the best festival in the world for along time, and i feel cheated. Woah - I've just been reading the Glastonbury tickets info with > > mounting astonishment at the intensifying quality (and quantity) of > > restrictions and have to say that this is one festival I've decided > > never to visit again. From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Mar 24 07:36:43 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:36:43 -0500 Subject: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: >>> beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM 3/23/2005 4:28:24 PM >>> Rather than go straight for studio albums - I'd get the live album called On Your Feet or On Your Knees and the compilation album called Career of Evil. You'll get a good sampling of about ten years of good music there. And On Your Feet or On Your Knees is possibly the finest live rock album ever. A great album, for sure, but a newbie might beware that there are a couple of long cover tunes on it. Great covers, but still not B?C material, albeit Maserati GT features the 5 guitars, so it might be worthwhile for a B?C tyro to get a taste of the old days... theo From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Thu Mar 24 08:10:52 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:10:52 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Carl wrote... >On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: >I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over Baker's sidekick? >Wossname ... Romana? Romana No. 1, or Romana No. 2? I'm sure there were two of them, right? And IIRC, the 2nd one had come straight from the previous episode playing a guest role on some strange planet, and then suddenly, she's the companion. Very confusing. I liked Sarah Jane Smith, 'cause she was from Croydon, which is where Mrs. Amelia Underwood was from, IIRC. And plus, she was appropriately goofy and campy. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Is the new Hitchhiker's going to be any good? Better than the TV series, presumably? (Better 2nd head, anyway.) From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Mar 24 08:33:01 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:33:01 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually I heard the second head was pretty awful in the movie.. I like the TV series :-) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Henderson Keith Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:11 AM To: BOC-uallL at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: dr. who Carl wrote... >On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: >I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over Baker's sidekick? >Wossname ... Romana? Romana No. 1, or Romana No. 2? I'm sure there were two of them, right? And IIRC, the 2nd one had come straight from the previous episode playing a guest role on some strange planet, and then suddenly, she's the companion. Very confusing. I liked Sarah Jane Smith, 'cause she was from Croydon, which is where Mrs. Amelia Underwood was from, IIRC. And plus, she was appropriately goofy and campy. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Is the new Hitchhiker's going to be any good? Better than the TV series, presumably? (Better 2nd head, anyway.) From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Thu Mar 24 08:53:37 2005 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:53:37 -0000 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: >> P.S. Is the new Hitchhiker's going to be any good? Better than the TV >> series, presumably? (Better 2nd head, anyway.) > Actually I heard the second head was pretty awful in the movie.. Well, judge for yourselves! Go here to watch the trailer: http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/index.html Not much 2-headed stuff in this, though. And I'm really, *really* not sure about Marvin.... Dave From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Mar 24 09:02:39 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:39 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :Carl wrote... : :>On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: :>I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over Baker's sidekick? :>Wossname ... Romana? : :Romana No. 1, or Romana No. 2? I'm sure there were two of them, right? And :IIRC, the 2nd one had come straight from the previous episode playing a :guest role on some strange planet, and then suddenly, she's the companion. :Very confusing. Yeah, there were two of them, Mary Tamm (romana 1) and Lalla Ward (romana 2). Yeah. I must agree that her introduction was a bit odd... :I liked Sarah Jane Smith, 'cause she was from Croydon, which is where Mrs. :Amelia Underwood was from, IIRC. And plus, she was appropriately goofy and :campy. heh. Sarah Jane Smith always reminded me too much of Lois Lane to really like her. Then again, you shouldn't listen to me. I actually liked Adric ;-) :P.S. Is the new Hitchhiker's going to be any good? Better than the TV :series, presumably? (Better 2nd head, anyway.) meh. How are they going to top David Dixon as Ford Prefect? or the absolutely wonderful Peter Jones as the Book? They will undoubtedly have better special effects...although I really liked the book effects from the miniseries....and I'm not sure I like the pintsized Marvin in the new one. ...but I have high hopes. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Mar 24 09:07:10 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:07:10 -0500 Subject: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Tim : > Rock N roll Heaven at 1814 north orange avenue. Take exit 85 off I-4 > (princeton street) > east to No. Orange, turn right(south) on No. Orange, RnR Heaven is down a few > blocks on right. I also found Amon Duul, Kaptain Kopter&Twirlybirds,Can & > other hard to find cds there. Lotsa luck I think I went there once a long time ago, and they didn't have much, but that was over 10 years ago. The store I was thinking of was Waxtree Records (it's on the west side of Orlando). They had a decent prog. and metal selection and lots of used CDs. The store in Winter Park (Park Avenue Compact Discs) sometimes had good stuff too. Thanks for the heads-up; I'll try and get over there and check it out. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "You should have seen the curse that flew right by you Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Mar 24 09:15:10 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:15:10 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <20050323223430.49599.qmail@web53908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, gary shindler wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :I favored Lela, (probably not the right spelling) :quite the pouty, tough &$)&#$(# she was. Tom Baker :wound up marrying the woman who played the last :sidekick, I believe. My wife pondered knitting me a :Tom Baker-ish scarf but it would cost a fortune for :the yarn. Tom married Lalla Ward (romana #2)...who was the 4th from the last sidekick (tegan, nyssa, and adric were the last three...). god, I'm such a geek. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 24 09:34:40 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:34:40 +0000 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24-Mar-2005 13:10, Henderson Keith wrote: > Carl wrote... >>On 23 Mar 2005, at 22:12, Jon Jarrett wrote: >>I thought Who buffs were supposed to drool over Baker's sidekick? >>Wossname ... Romana? > > Romana No. 1, or Romana No. 2? I'm sure there were two of them, right? Ooo, there were two? Shows what I know! :) > P.S. Is the new Hitchhiker's going to be any good? Better than the TV > series, presumably? (Better 2nd head, anyway.) Aw, I dug the TV series! The Book was so cool, with all those animations :) I keep meaning to get the DVDs, but they're like 14 quid even on Amazon. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Mar 24 12:52:15 2005 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:52:15 EST Subject: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: In a message dated 03/24/2005 7:38:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tjackson at SYR.EDU writes: And On Your Feet or On Your Knees is possibly the finest live rock album ever. A great album, for sure, but a newbie might beware that there are a couple of long cover tunes on it. Great covers, but still not B?C material, albeit Maserati GT features the 5 guitars, so it might be worthwhile for a B?C tyro to get a taste of the old days... theo As I recall, ME262 has the five guitar section, although Maserati GT has an extended guitar solo... SET From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Mar 24 13:01:29 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:29 -0500 Subject: Which albums for beginners Message-ID: >>> StevenTice at AOL.COM 3/24/2005 12:52:15 PM >>> In a message dated 03/24/2005 7:38:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tjackson at SYR.EDU writes: And On Your Feet or On Your Knees is possibly the finest live rock album ever. A great album, for sure, but a newbie might beware that there are a couple of long cover tunes on it. Great covers, but still not B?C material, albeit Maserati GT features the 5 guitars, so it might be worthwhile for a B?C tyro to get a taste of the old days... theo As I recall, ME262 has the five guitar section, although Maserati GT has an extended guitar solo... Hah, there ya go! I do believe though, that back in the day, they did the 5 gtrs during it at least for a while. As I recall now, the live album has a reprise of Buck's Boogie at the end. Must be that's what I caught onto... tj From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 24 15:27:49 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:27:49 +0000 Subject: Tour/CD... In-Reply-To: <004c01c52e5a$af6826e0$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Colin J Allen wrote: > The Bedrock show was filmed at the Central TV studios, not Rock City. Rock > City is a large club in central Nottingham; lots of metal fittings and quite > harsh PA; a pretty grotty environment. Odd, my impression of Rock City has been a lot more positive than that. Perhaps it was just the comparison to Cambridge Junction... Sounded pretty good to me though. > Hawkwind album release dates are silly? Surely not;). I've nothing new to say there. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _Acid Motherhood_ (which I got at last the day before yesterday and am loving) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 24 16:42:29 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:42:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Summer festivals...some HW: for good measure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > Have just seen two shows with stoner acts Gas Giant (Copenhagen) and Phased > (Basel)...really good shows and nice guys to hang out with. Of course, > ScottH. was along for the ride as merchandising king, so nice to talk to him > in person again, and plan out summer activities. The Oresund Space > Collective is going nicely, and once the Cambridge crew get their > 'collective' into shape :), then there should be a large North Sea Space > Collective formed with 20 members or so. Just a suggestion. :) Give me a noise box and a place to sleep and Carl and I'll move the world. Until then (okay, I do currently have a place to sleep I grant you) I'm going to have to concentrate on the material a bit more... And by that I mean world not songs (though the odd set of lyrics is still falling to the keyboard). > Anybody coming from the US/DE/HD for the Hawkwind dates in May? I'm poor > now (I'm homeless and jobless as of next week), so I might want to see about > sharing rides/flats/rooms on the tour. I'm still waiting for the rest of the tour dates in case there's an easier one to get to than what's up so far. I'm a bit under-enthused about this tour. Unless they're really shaking up the setlist (by what, bringing a different set of old tracks out from retirement?) I feel as if I've seen it already. Aso, I have my mind full of footnotes and will think more clearly once this is changed. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _Acid Motherhood_ (again) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 24 16:45:33 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:45:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Summer festivals...some HW: for good measure In-Reply-To: <6e141aa29de08b3d8dda70df51b56296@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Norway, yes. I saw We in London, mmm, must be 8 years ago or something > now and they were very good. I occasionally hear more of their recent > stuff courtesy of the good Mr. Heller :) Rockin' dudes. Only heard one track of theirs to my knowledge, but it's good. > > The Oresund Space > > Collective is going nicely, and once the Cambridge crew get their > > 'collective' into shape :), then there should be a large North Sea > > Space > > Collective formed with 20 members or so. Just a suggestion. :) > > Ja, well, the "Cambridge crew" would need to expand beyond myself and > Mr. Jarrett's good intentions (though "Mr. Jarrett's Good Intentions" > would be a good name for a synth soundscape instrumental ;) We would > need a drummer for a start! We could probably borrow one from Brighton. Our rehearsals would likely be occasional enough that it wouldn't matter much :-) > I'd be happy just to tempt others into an online collective. (Out of > the basement and into ... the virtual basement!) Not even a one-stage plan! > > I'm poor now (I'm homeless and jobless as of next week) > > But clearly not short on festivals to go too :) Buy some drums and get > a job in Cambridge (admittedly not the music capital of the world ;) Getting a job here easier said than done. I've been trying a while now... Lomdon as ever seems to hold the future. How very Jerry Cornelius. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 24 16:49:30 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:49:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: <1111622458.75545.26.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > BTW, I read recently on the Grauniad that the Tories want to clamp down > on the Travellers as part of their election manifesto. Some things > never change... I see the point, but I think on this occasion that's just a knee-jerk because currently Labour have made themses look stupid by not having a clear policy on travellers and one lot round Cambridge actually having a lawyer or two and thus being unusually hard to move. John Prescott has been in international press being mealy-mouthed about it and as the unofficial election campaign over here gets up to speed the Tories have seen a chance to put the boot in and look as they have something coherent themselves. Yours, Jon (neither one nor the other) -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Fri Mar 25 13:00:41 2005 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:00:41 +0100 Subject: HW: X-mas single. Message-ID: Hi there! Finally got the CD-single and also a signed tourbook from the spring tour 2004. Thanks Kris, Dave, Richard and Alan. Looking forward to lay my hands on the forthcoming records. Happy easter. Henrik a.k.a Hawkswede From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 25 15:04:08 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:04:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday 24 March 2005 04:49 pm, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > BTW, I read recently on the Grauniad that the Tories want to clamp > > down on the Travellers as part of their election manifesto. Some > > things never change... > > I see the point, but I think on this occasion that's just a > knee-jerk because currently Labour have made themses look stupid by > not having a clear policy on travellers and one lot round Cambridge > actually having a lawyer or two and thus being unusually hard to > move. John Prescott has been in international press being > mealy-mouthed about it and as the unofficial election campaign over > here gets up to speed the Tories have seen a chance to put the boot > in and look as they have something coherent themselves. Yours, > Jon (neither one nor the other) I have to confess to being a bit bemused by the coverage I read because it seemed that the Tories were very upset at the Travellers' use of the legal system to secure places for them to live. There was a mention that if the Human Rights Act can't be aligned with Tory ideology, they'll simply scrap it. (Better to eliminate the rights of the many than to allow a few statistical outliers to finesse the system.) One Tory MP was quoted as calling Travellers "scum." The entire tone their manifest plans as a whole smacked, at best, of "not in my back yard," and, at worst, of ethnic cleansing. It seems to me that the Tories (and apparently several tabloids) feel it is an affront that Travellers are allowed to exist and if they are able to do so legally then, quite obviously, the solution is to change the law to stop that, effectively making their chosen way of life untenable. But, maybe I'm getting the wrong end of the stick by reading the Grauniad, and the Tories are actually pursuing a noble cause in the furtherance of their One Nation politics. Obviously, I should read the Sun and become educated on the Deadly Menace that threatens to Destroy the Very Fabric of our Sacred British Way of Life! :-) Yesterday it was asylum seekers. Today it is the Travellers. Tomorrow it will be Cambridge Space Rock Music Collectives. :) Where will it end? "You can't do this, you can't do that." (It probably doesn't help matters that I saw _Hotel Rwanda_ at my local cinema recently.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gong, Chateau Neuf, Oslo, Norway, 1974-12-15 -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Mar 25 22:15:09 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:15:09 -0800 Subject: Too Hip For The Room CDs Message-ID: Some years back I bought both Too Hip For The Room CDs - "Gravest Hips" and "Don't Fear the Remake." Buck Dharma plays and sings on "Don't Fear the Reaper/Burnin' For You" on the first one and the second disc is nothing but BOC covers. This acoustic trio does some interesting things with such songs as "Unknown Tongue," "Fire of Unknown Origin," "Cagtey Cretins" and many more. Here's the grift: I'm cleaning house because my wife and I are eventually moving and finding new jobs. If anyone is interested in these CDs (not available on ebay or half.com)email me off list and give me a bid. I'm not looking to make a mint, believe me. Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sat Mar 26 18:20:02 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:20:02 -0800 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: Okay, so I've been listening to this in my car lately. Why was this album made? I know the early albums might not have been recorded using the best technology but I don't see how they've really improved the songs. I actually think Dharma and Bloom's vocals were better on the originals. It might have been interesting to do the songs unplugged, if possibly too trendy. The karoake songs are interesting. Maybe Hawkwind needs to do a karoake version of "Silver Machine" or "Spirit of the Age." Just some thoughts. Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Mar 26 23:13:00 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:13:00 -0500 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <4242D000.8060204@carlaz.com> Message-ID: So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? I saw it twice now and for me, my only concern was whether it "felt" like Dr. Who. When you have 20 yrs of episodes in the background, there is no set formula or way that the show had to be put together. It just had to feel like Dr. Who on a visceral level, something that is going to vary from fan to fan. For this fan I must say it does feel right. The new Doctor and his companion have the right chemistry, and the Doc himself, in the few glimpses we have of him being Doctorish, certainly fits the part. Since at this time there are NO distribution agreements in the US I will have to settle for this rare glimpses of the new show for now. As time goes on we will see if BBC America picks it up, as SciFi took a definite pass on the show. MCM From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 27 01:23:32 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:23:32 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: I thought it was terrific, it had great pace, it was very funny, very spooky, and the key thing was that my seven and eight year olds were totally enthralled by it. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: dr. who > So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? > > I saw it twice now and for me, my only concern was whether it "felt" like > Dr. Who. When you have 20 yrs of episodes in the background, there is no set > formula or way that the show had to be put together. It just had to feel > like Dr. Who on a visceral level, something that is going to vary from fan > to fan. > > For this fan I must say it does feel right. The new Doctor and his companion > have the right chemistry, and the Doc himself, in the few glimpses we have > of him being Doctorish, certainly fits the part. Since at this time there > are NO distribution agreements in the US I will have to settle for this rare > glimpses of the new show for now. As time goes on we will see if BBC America > picks it up, as SciFi took a definite pass on the show. > > MCM > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Mar 27 02:07:52 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:07:52 -0500 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <000701c53295$8006c390$77354c51@SN037539420006> Message-ID: On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 07:23 +0100, Ian Abrahams wrote: > I thought it was terrific, it had great pace, it was very funny, very > spooky, and the key thing was that my seven and eight year olds were totally > enthralled by it. I've only seen the version "leaked" onto the Internet, and I don't know if this differs from the one actually broadcast. I hope it does---at least with respect to the incidental music, which tended to drive me up the wall. (It struck me as the musical equivalent of a laugh track.) I agree largely with Mike Montfort's comments: I liked the Doctor (on the whole, though the flippancy was a bit much), and also feel that the chemistry with his companion seems right. Saved through flashes of promise, I'd say it "felt right" on the whole. My main complaint is that the pacing felt too hyper. I really hope they don't make a habit of squeezing an entire adventure into a single episode because it really robs the plot of power, development and depth. Good writing was always the hallmark of Doctor Who. I'm glad that seven and eight year olds enjoy the show, but I hope it is not being pitched at that demographic at the detriment of the writing suffering in favour of action and visuals. I guess I'll feel happier when I finally see a disused quarry... ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Pink Floyd, Hollywood Bowl, 1972-09-22 -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 27 02:56:43 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:56:43 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Paul, Just wtached it again and it seemed a bit slower second time around (and better) - really *very* happy with it. I'm not ashamed to say I spent yesterday feeling like a kid on Christmas Eve, butterflies in the stomach and everything and certainly wasn't disappointed with it at all. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: dr. who > On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 07:23 +0100, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > I thought it was terrific, it had great pace, it was very funny, very > > spooky, and the key thing was that my seven and eight year olds were totally > > enthralled by it. > > I've only seen the version "leaked" onto the Internet, and I don't know > if this differs from the one actually broadcast. I hope it does---at > least with respect to the incidental music, which tended to drive me up > the wall. (It struck me as the musical equivalent of a laugh track.) > > I agree largely with Mike Montfort's comments: I liked the Doctor (on > the whole, though the flippancy was a bit much), and also feel that the > chemistry with his companion seems right. Saved through flashes of > promise, I'd say it "felt right" on the whole. > > My main complaint is that the pacing felt too hyper. I really hope they > don't make a habit of squeezing an entire adventure into a single > episode because it really robs the plot of power, development and depth. > Good writing was always the hallmark of Doctor Who. I'm glad that seven > and eight year olds enjoy the show, but I hope it is not being pitched > at that demographic at the detriment of the writing suffering in favour > of action and visuals. > > I guess I'll feel happier when I finally see a disused quarry... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Pink Floyd, Hollywood Bowl, 1972-09-22 > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Mar 27 08:32:54 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:32:54 EST Subject: dr. who Message-ID: In a message dated 27/03/05 05:16:36 GMT Daylight Time, mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? > Loved it. Though I think that too much was crammed into the 45 minute slot. Before you knew it he was there facing the Nestene Conciousness. Still, at least we aren't left with a cliff-hanger for a week :-) Steve. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 27 08:55:46 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:55:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: <200503251504.10310.paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > I have to confess to being a bit bemused by the coverage I read because > it seemed that the Tories were very upset at the Travellers' use of the > legal system to secure places for them to live. There was a mention > that if the Human Rights Act can't be aligned with Tory ideology, > they'll simply scrap it. (Better to eliminate the rights of the many > than to allow a few statistical outliers to finesse the system.) One > Tory MP was quoted as calling Travellers "scum." That certainly sounds like _Guardian_ reporting, not that I'm denying they're saying such things. I think they think it's a vote-winner, whether or not they actually hold the view. The trouble the Tories currently have IMO is swinging between trying to pick votes up from New Labour or avoid losing them to the UK INdependence Party, which is making them very schizophrenic. > The entire tone their manifest plans as a whole smacked, at best, of > "not in my back yard," and, at worst, of ethnic cleansing. It seems to > me that the Tories (and apparently several tabloids) feel it is an > affront that Travellers are allowed to exist and if they are able to do > so legally then, quite obviously, the solution is to change the law to > stop that, effectively making their chosen way of life untenable. Well, now, I wonder what recent administration they could have learnt that tactic from :-( > But, maybe I'm getting the wrong end of the stick by reading the > Grauniad, and the Tories are actually pursuing a noble cause in the > furtherance of their One Nation politics. Obviously, I should read the > Sun and become educated on the Deadly Menace that threatens to Destroy > the Very Fabric of our Sacred British Way of Life! :-) I doubt it would help, really. The _Sun_ will leap for the winners as soon as they're sure and then claim they sung the election. > Yesterday it was asylum seekers. Today it is the Travellers. Tomorrow > it will be Cambridge Space Rock Music Collectives. :) Where will it > end? Ah, they'll get me for being an academic or a liberal long before they pick up on my music preferences... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Mar 27 15:19:10 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:19:10 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: It was interesting and I found myself watching with an attitude along the lines of "this really is very silly but - oh - actually that moment was quite scarey" and I liked the way the Doctor kept disappearing out of Rose's life and then reappearing again which gave her eventual decision to join him an air of reality. I wonder if alien politics has grown up as well? The Doctor demanding to speak to an alien under Section 15 of the Shadow Convention - surely Babylon 5 associations here! And there was reference to a much grander scale of alien interaction involving many worlds and a war of some kind. Whether or not Galifrey (spelling?) is still in overall control didn't get much of a mention though. So it was certainly true to its heritage and the target audience may be about right but unfortunately I'm not sure I like Christopher Eccleston. Perhaps he'll grow on me but gormless is a word that springs to mind though that may be a bit unfair. He smiles too much and I don't think the script writing was particularly kind to him - loads of one-liners, some of them very entertaining, but it would have been nice if a few sentences could have been strung together to form paragraphs. But then I'm not really enjoying the Casanova series either - more or less for the same reasons. But I'm glad its back and I can see why America doesn't like it - it's still got that air of low-tech British awkwardness about it - no suave Superior Nation sophistication here! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: dr. who > So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Mar 27 15:38:25 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:38:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com March 27, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #123), and Drool Trough (show #28). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html AURAL INNOVATIONS CD MAIL ORDER: I've been holding off on getting in new stock until I get the new mail order site sorted out. But here's a few things that I'd previously arranged for that have arrived. I've NOT updated the old catalog so if you're interested in any of these please email me at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com. V.A. - "You've Been Duplicated: Burning Chrome to Disc in the Cyberage"... Fantastic new Chrome tribute with covers of Chrome classics by Dark Sun, Sun Zoom Spark, ST 37, The Moor, Drunken Gunmen, Subzone, Scattered Planets, Jet Jaguar, Sub-Primitive, The JFK Jr Royal Airforce, Orgone, Rectoplasm, Malombra, and Cash Slave Clique. The JFK Jr Royal Airforce - "Androids"... Brand new set by one of my favorite space, garage, sonic freakout bands. Quarkspace - "The Hidden Moon"... Not a new release. It's Quarkspace's 1999 2-CD set that remains one of my personal Quarkspace favorites. It's been out of print for a long time but the band got a bunch back from a distributor and passed them on to me. Here's your chance to fill that hole in your Quarkspace collection. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #123) THTX ? ?The Great Transfixer? (from The Magic Frequencies) Dark Sun ? ?Heart Beat? (from You?ve Been Duplicated: Burning Chrome to Disc in the Cyberage) Sub-Primitive ? ?Girls and Womens? (from demo CD) The Shepherd?s Bush Enjoyment - ?The Other Side? (from Bullingdon?s Last Second Rumpus) Jugalbandi ? ?Muted Craters? (from Laydown Delivery) Darxtar ? ?Compromised Space? (from Tombola) Earthling Society ? ?Albion? (from Albion) Salamander ? ?Portal? (from Bent Hemlock) Radio Dystopia ? ?An Alien?s Daydream? (from Soundclick.com page) Thomas Anfield ? ?Space Gliss? (from Music For Butoh) Long Live Death ? ?Of One? (from Bound To The Wheel) Drool Trough (show #28) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Heartscore ? ?God Lay Dead? (from Straight To The Brain) The Stoneage Hearts ? ?Eye Of A Lie? (from Guilty As Sin) Arthur Loves Plastic ? ?Breakdown? (from Love or Perish) Paul Roland ? ?Pavane? (from Pavane) Two Separate Gorillas ? ?The Wahl?rus Was Jon? (from Two Separate Gorillas) Ron Bracale ? ?Durga Ma: Sara Kali? (from Luminous Waters) Sparkwood ? ?Miles Away? (from Jalopy Pop) Nifty Eagu + The Glo-Pilots ? ?Austin Allegro? (from Glo-Balisation) Jerry Colburn ? ?Dildo Baggage Car? (from Smell The Love) Bob Pyle - "A World Made Out Of Spam" (from Apples & Oranges) Foetus ? ?Time Marches On? (from Love EP) Coyote ? ?Moon City? (from Insides) Brother JT ? ?Nowhere, Slow? (from Off Blue) Cowbrain & Saw - ?A Better World? (from Nearandfar) DJ Tedness ? ?Growth Pains? (from Digital Samurai) The Skygreen Leopards ? ?Clouds Through Sparrow?s Eyes? (from Life & love In Sparrow?s Meadow) One for Jude - "L?Ebloui" (from H?lice) Symphony In Demeanor - "Crazy Man" (from Symphony In Demeanor) The Big Huge ? ?Atop A Secret Mountain? (from Crown Your Head With Flowers, Crown Your Heart With Joy) The Impossible Shapes - "Demon Child" (from Horus) http://Aural-Innovations.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Mar 27 15:44:02 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:44:02 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <1111907272.18560.23.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 27 Mar 2005, at 08:07, Paul Mather wrote: > My main complaint is that the pacing felt too hyper. I really hope > they > don't make a habit of squeezing an entire adventure into a single > episode because it really robs the plot of power, development and > depth. Yeah, I was kind of surprised that they wrapped it all up so quickly. I hadn't paid any attention to the scheduling, so after the first 20 minutes or so I sort of assumed it was a mighty 2-hour season opener or something, and thought it was a bit weak that the universe had been saved so quickly. Ah well. Surely the best way to woo repeat viewers is with cliffhangers? > I guess I'll feel happier when I finally see a disused quarry... ;-) Ooo, yeah, they really ought to go there :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Mar 27 15:47:06 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:47:06 +0100 Subject: Cult Classic In-Reply-To: <20050326232002.89314.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 26 Mar 2005, at 23:20, gary shindler wrote: > Okay, so I've been listening to this in my car lately. > Why was this album made? I think to set down versions of the songs with which the band could do as they liked. Didn't one of them -- Reaper, probably -- go into some Steven King TV movie back at the time? (I guess they also twiddled the writing credits a bit, too ....) > > The karoake songs are interesting. Well, they're just mixes without the lead vocals, I think! > Maybe Hawkwind > needs to do a karoake version of "Silver Machine" or > "Spirit of the Age." No, don't give them excuses not to finish the new album!! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 27 16:35:59 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:35:59 +0100 Subject: HW: new album (was: Cult Classic) In-Reply-To: <17206d7ce94d698da249a549f0607414@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 26 Mar 2005, at 23:20, gary shindler wrote: > > Maybe Hawkwind > > needs to do a karoake version of "Silver Machine" or > > "Spirit of the Age." > > No, don't give them excuses not to finish the new album!! ;) Since at least one of the putative tracklists for the new album has both those tracks on it it probably couldn't slow them down *that* much. Especially if you look at the delay relatively. Yours, Jon ObCD: Red Giant - _Ultramagnetic Glowing Sound_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 28 09:32:01 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:32:01 -0500 Subject: Cult Classic In-Reply-To: <200503271001.j2RA02uC018593@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Cult Classic > From: > gary shindler > Date: > Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:20:02 -0800 > > > Okay, so I've been listening to this in my car lately. > Why was this album made? I know the early albums might > not have been recorded using the best technology but I > don't see how they've really improved the songs. I > actually think Dharma and Bloom's vocals were better > on the originals. > It might have been interesting to do the songs > unplugged, if possibly too trendy. > The karoake songs are interesting. Maybe Hawkwind > needs to do a karoake version of "Silver Machine" or The answer to this, I think, is in the BOC FAQ (http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman), but the short answer is that BOC was no longer under contract to Sony, I believe that the producers of "The Stoned Age" wanted to use "The Reaper" but couldn't use the original version without paying high royalty fees, so BOC planned to record a new version. Having not yet secured a new record contract, they decided to release a whole album's worth of their hits. There's more to it, but that's what I recall off the top of my head. John From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Mar 28 09:38:57 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:38:57 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <004b01c53283$475710c0$6501a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Mike Montfort wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? I've only seen the leaked episode so far, but I'm still mulling it over. I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet....but that will come with time, I'm sure. The updates to the Autons were amusing. Special effects were...well, updated dr. who standard ;-) Notable silly effects: the trash can, the nestene consciousness, and the auton out of control at the restaurant (and, regrettably, the TARDIS). Script was snappy, but as Paul M. noted, they packed a lot of punch into a episode. IMHO, I would have liked to have seen Rose in one of Clive's photographs with the Doctor, but no such luck. The entire Clive sequence was just too funny. The new console room almost is a cross between the console room of the McGann movie and TIM (from the Tomorrow People). It still has the quirkiness, though, and I appreciated that. So are we going to see the Master working with the Autons this time around (as in the original Pertwee eps?) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 28 09:50:35 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:50:35 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" > > The updates to the Autons were amusing. Special effects were...well, > updated dr. who standard ;-) Notable silly effects: the trash > can, the nestene consciousness, and the auton out of control at the > restaurant (and, regrettably, the TARDIS). > The trash can has gone down very well with the newspaper TV pundits and reviews have been particularly positive with minor exceptions - for example today the Daily Mail and the Daily Express both had enthusiastic reviews and most papers have covered in depth (inc three front pages) the ratings success - 10.5M viewers on the flash results (usually an understated number). I thought the TARDIS looked fabulous, and I liked the visual link to the TV movie in both the Tardis set and the opening/closing visuals. > > So are we going to see the Master working with the Autons this time > around (as in the original Pertwee eps?) Hope not - hope they've thrown out as much continuity baggage as possible, it's a fresh start for a new young mainstream audience - it's not just for geeks this time :-))))) Ian From Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 28 09:56:21 2005 From: Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM (Hawkwind1999 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:56:21 EST Subject: HAWKWIND BBC STUDIO AUGUST 1985 Message-ID: If you missed the broadcast last monday, today is your last chance to click on the site as they only go back for a week _http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/dream_ticket/_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/dream_ticket/) To save time the three Hawkwind segments are at about: 0.34.00 1.18.00 2.09.00 in the 3 hour show. It edits out to 18 mins of music Regards Graham From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Mar 28 10:05:23 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David and Manami Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:05:23 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <006a01c533a5$80068ae0$12274d51@SN037539420006> Message-ID: > >> >> So are we going to see the Master working with the Autons this time >> around (as in the original Pertwee eps?) > > Hope not - hope they've thrown out as much continuity baggage as > possible, > it's a fresh start for a new young mainstream audience - it's not just > for > geeks this time :-))))) > I wouldn't be so sure. the Radio Times carries a teaser along the lines of in Episode (something - I forget) The Doctor meets someone he thought was long dead. Surely either Davros or The Master? From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 28 10:09:21 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:21 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Yes, I saw that, maybe the Master but I suspect that Davros is now long gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Manami Greenhalgh" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > > > >> > >> So are we going to see the Master working with the Autons this time > >> around (as in the original Pertwee eps?) > > > > Hope not - hope they've thrown out as much continuity baggage as > > possible, > > it's a fresh start for a new young mainstream audience - it's not just > > for > > geeks this time :-))))) > > > > I wouldn't be so sure. the Radio Times carries a teaser along the lines > of in Episode (something - I forget) The Doctor meets someone he > thought was long dead. Surely either Davros or The Master? > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Mon Mar 28 14:48:01 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:48:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD Message-ID: Hello all- I just picked up a copy of the Motorhead Ace of Spades Classic Album DVD. It is excellent. Lot's of great interviews; Dave Brock talks quite a bit about Lemmy and there is a clip of Hawkwind playing Silver Machine. It is a must have for any Motorhead or Hawkwind fan. At $13.98, you can't beat the price!! Dan From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 28 15:38:00 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:38:00 -0500 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:05:23 +0100, David and Manami Greenhalgh wrote: >I wouldn't be so sure. the Radio Times carries a teaser along the lines >of in Episode (something - I forget) The Doctor meets someone he >thought was long dead. Surely either Davros or The Master? Well, one thing the Beeb has said is that the Daleks will be back in the near future, so maybe Davros will be with them. Although, wasn't there once an adventure where the Master collaborated with the Daleks? Anyway... I watched it too and, even as someone who fell out of love with it at least twenty years ago, I felt a certain amount of childlike excitement about the whole thing. I enjoyed it while I was watching it, looking back on it I certainly agree that too much was crammed in to 45 minutes and certainly the plot development and characterisation suffered, but still, it was several light years ahead of watching Sylvester McCoy confront a giant liquorice all-sort. I'm still not quite sure I have a sense of how Chris Ecclestone's going to play the part - the one-liners were quite good (I particularly liked "The assembled hordes of Genghis Khan couldn't get through that door, and believe me they've tried")- but the goofy smile and blank expression seemed a bit too unvarying. But we'll see. Regarding nods to other sci-fi: the scene in the restaurant where the Auton's hands turn into axes (if you can have plastic axes) was surely cribbed from Terminator 2, while the trailer for next week's episode looked highly reminiscent of The Restaurant at the end of the Universe. BTW- I know it's always been easy to pick holes in Dr Who plotdevices, but *surely* Rose would have noticed her boyfriend's transformation? Nick From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Mar 28 18:36:33 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:36:33 -0500 Subject: Cult Classic and Mork In-Reply-To: <42481561.6000901@mitre.org> Message-ID: >The answer to this, I think, is in the BOC FAQ >(http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman), but the short answer is that BOC was >no longer under contract to Sony, I believe that the producers of "The >Stoned Age" wanted to use "The Reaper" but couldn't use the original >version without paying high royalty fees, so BOC planned to record a new >version. Having not yet secured a new record contract, they decided to >release a whole album's worth of their hits. There's more to it, but >that's what I recall off the top of my head. This same reasoning might explain why I heard The Reaper used in a commercial to promote the Mork and Mindy "behind the scenes movie of the week" on NBC. The riff was surely Reaper, but the vocals and guitar fills (like the one before"like romeo and juliet) were differently mixed --- the latter sounded Boston-ly double tracked. Jason >John From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Mar 28 19:04:52 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:04:52 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Sorry - not impressed - not an original thought in its head - the script at the end was plain embarassing with the Dr and the tub of goo - the ideas were a mix of The Avengers and Terminator 2 - and a lot of it was just laughable - maybe that's the point - maybe we 're meant to laugh at it - not take it seriously. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Mike Montfort wrote: > > :Subject: Re: dr. who > : > :So now it's out.. What did everyone think???? > > I've only seen the leaked episode so far, but I'm still mulling it over. > I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet....but that will come with time, I'm > sure. > > The updates to the Autons were amusing. Special effects were...well, > updated dr. who standard ;-) Notable silly effects: the trash > can, the nestene consciousness, and the auton out of control at the > restaurant (and, regrettably, the TARDIS). > > Script was snappy, but as Paul M. noted, they packed a lot of punch into a > episode. > > IMHO, I would have liked to have seen Rose in one of Clive's photographs > with the Doctor, but no such luck. The entire Clive sequence was just too > funny. > > The new console room almost is a cross between the console room of the > McGann movie and TIM (from the Tomorrow People). It still has the > quirkiness, though, and I appreciated that. > > So are we going to see the Master working with the Autons this time > around (as in the original Pertwee eps?) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Mar 29 02:49:03 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David and Manami Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:49:03 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <000d01c533f2$ef24dd80$e53e8351@andy> Message-ID: On 29 Mar 2005, at 01:04, Cyberkrel wrote: > Sorry - not impressed - not an original thought in its head - the > script at > the end was plain embarassing with the Dr and the tub of goo - the > ideas > were a mix of The Avengers and Terminator 2 - and a lot of it was just > laughable - maybe that's the point - maybe we 're meant to laugh at it > - not > take it seriously. > Andy G. > Mr. G, you have no soul ;-) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 29 04:49:51 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:49:51 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: > The Doctor meets someone he thought was long dead. But since the Doctor can travel in time, then couldn't that be just about *anybody*.... ;) From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue Mar 29 05:27:47 2005 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:27:47 +0200 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD In-Reply-To: <200503291000.j2T9nCxM025420@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Expecting mine from the snailmailman today! :-) From play.com, including sending to norway, at ?11.99 (delivery inc though): youcan't feel the beating ;-) i've also ordered the "Inside Mot?rhead" dvd - anybody got a clue to what it is ...? i quote: "This is the long awaited independent critical review ..." etcetc. They seem to have made a lot of those, for a lot of different bands. sounds fishy... Ketil >> Subject: >> Re: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD >> From: >> "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" >> Date: >> Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:48:01 -0500 >> >> >> Hello all- >> >> I just picked up a copy of the Motorhead Ace of Spades Classic Album DVD. >> It is excellent. Lot's of great interviews; Dave Brock talks quite a bit >> about Lemmy and there is a clip of Hawkwind playing Silver Machine. >> It is a >> must have for any Motorhead or Hawkwind fan. >> >> >> At $13.98, you can't beat the price!! >> >> Dan >> >> From gg at SIO4.COM Tue Mar 29 05:38:20 2005 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:38:20 +0200 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD In-Reply-To: <42492DA3.2060704@fiskaren.no> Message-ID: Ketil Svendsen wrote: > i've also ordered the "Inside Mot?rhead" dvd - anybody got a clue to > what it is ...? i quote: "This is the long awaited independent critical > review ..." etcetc. They seem to have made a lot of those, for a lot of > different bands. > sounds fishy... this should be one of the "Classic Rock" DVD featuring almost nothing new... From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 29 07:27:46 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:49:03 +0100, David and Manami Greenhalgh wrote: >On 29 Mar 2005, at 01:04, Cyberkrel wrote: > >> Sorry - not impressed - not an original thought in its head - the >> script at >> the end was plain embarassing with the Dr and the tub of goo - the >> ideas >> were a mix of The Avengers and Terminator 2 - and a lot of it was just >> laughable - maybe that's the point - maybe we 're meant to laugh at it >> - not >> take it seriously. >> Andy G. >> >Mr. G, you have no soul ;-) He has a point though. Even though I quite liked it overall, some of the humour was very heavy- handed. The burping wheelie-bin for example. One of the great strengths of the classic Who series was the way they managed to combine a certain amount of humour with ideas and events that were genuinely frightening. This requires considerable writing skill, and not deliberately killing the suspense by effectively telling the viewer, "it's OK, it's all just a joke". This relates to the issue of cramming the whole thing into one episode, as with more time and plot development, there's also more room for witty asides that can build up the characters (who can forget Tom Baker's jelly babies) without undercutting the main thrust of the story. Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 29 08:56:16 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:56:16 +0100 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:39:34 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Woah - I've just been reading the Glastonbury tickets info with > mounting astonishment at the intensifying quality (and quantity) of > restrictions and have to say that this is one festival I've decided > never to visit again. > > (official site) http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ and click > on tickets > (unofficial site) > http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury/2005/tickets.shtml This is so much crap. They should just advertise *One* ticket on Ebay and then flog 'em to the 200,000 top bidders. I'm sure Ebay would be happy enough with the revenue. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 29 09:00:35 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:00:35 +0100 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Sounds to me that they are taking a leaf out of Hawkwind's book and > making sure they only admit people for whom they have name and address > details (to keep the police happy). Perhaps one could trace an "incident" to a named person in a festival of 400 people. Managing the feat amongst a quarter million people would be somewhat harder. > They also seemed to me to be paranoid about scalpers and getting paid. Why is that? I'd rather pay a tout than spend 14 hours hitting the bloody redial button. Basically I'm just paying them for the convenience. If Glasters want to eliminate touts, then sell the tickets at the market price rather than under it. After all, those who can't afford it have the option of working the festival and getting free entry. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 29 09:29:32 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:29:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD In-Reply-To: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]'s message of Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] writes: > Hello all- > > I just picked up a copy of the Motorhead Ace of Spades Classic Album DVD. > It is excellent. Lot's of great interviews; Dave Brock talks quite a bit > about Lemmy and there is a clip of Hawkwind playing Silver Machine. It is a > must have for any Motorhead or Hawkwind fan. How long is a clip? Anmy idea if this is from Hawkestra? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 29 10:26:44 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:26:44 -0500 Subject: Summer festivals... Glastonbury style In-Reply-To: <200503291400.j2TE0ZoA000445@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 15:00 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > Sounds to me that they are taking a leaf out of Hawkwind's book and > > making sure they only admit people for whom they have name and address > > details (to keep the police happy). > > Perhaps one could trace an "incident" to a named person in a festival of > 400 people. Managing the feat amongst a quarter million people would be > somewhat harder. Nobody said a policy had to make sense to keep the police happy. > > They also seemed to me to be paranoid about scalpers and getting paid. > > Why is that? I'd rather pay a tout than spend 14 hours hitting the > bloody redial button. Basically I'm just paying them for the > convenience. Don't you have the option of paying a skivvy to spend 14 hours dialling on your behalf? You could pay them a bit extra to put on a fake Mike Holmes accent when the time comes. ;-) > If Glasters want to eliminate touts, then sell the tickets at the market > price rather than under it. After all, those who can't afford it have > the option of working the festival and getting free entry. Actually, I think the identity requirement backed by personalised tickets has a side effect of combatting touts and that combatting touts might not be the primary goal. They do seem to have chosen payment methods that have the smallest chance of having payment stopped/disputed, which bolsters the "paranoid about getting paid" idea, though. :-) In the end, though, I think they are doing all this "just because they can." The people willing to jump through all these hoops and willing to be exposed to such personal scrutiny are more likely to be conformist types able to be managed sheep-like, and hence less likely to cause trouble for the organisers. Alternatively, requirements such as the identity proof might have been imposed by the police, citing a high profile event like Glastonbury as a "terrorist target." Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Mar 29 11:14:31 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:14:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD Message-ID: Unfortunately, it's not the Hawkestra footage. The Silver Machine clip (30 seconds or so) is the same footage we have already seen from Top of The Pops. There is also a chapter of the DVD devoted solely to Lemmy being ousted from the band. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:30 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] writes: > Hello all- > > I just picked up a copy of the Motorhead Ace of Spades Classic Album DVD. > It is excellent. Lot's of great interviews; Dave Brock talks quite a bit > about Lemmy and there is a clip of Hawkwind playing Silver Machine. It is a > must have for any Motorhead or Hawkwind fan. How long is a clip? Anmy idea if this is from Hawkestra? FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 29 14:12:36 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:12:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Roadburn (posted on behalf of Walter Hoeijmakers) Message-ID: MONSTER MAGNET Guitarist To Jam with SPACE RITUAL at Holland's ROADBURN FESTIVAL, Saturday, April 9th, 013-Tilburg On Saturday, April 9th, the Dutch Roadburn Festival is celebrating its 10th anniversary edition with a stunning variety of space/stoner/doom rock bands on three different stages w/ Litmus & Brant Bjork & The Bros amongst others at 013-Tilburg. MONSTER MAGNET lead guitarist Ed Mundell has been confirmed to jam live on stage with headliners SPACE RITUAL -the band was formed in 2001 to revive the lost magic, the truly interstellar spirit of HAWKWIND, of which the band were all members, and this will be Space Ritual's first ever gig on the European mainland. Check www.roadburn.com for the complete line up. Hollands major network, VPRO 3voor12 will pull off a live-webcast of the 10th Roadburn Festival. In other news, VPRO 3voor12 will re-broadcast last year's "Monster Magnet Live at the 9th Roadburn Festival" webtv-webcast. The webcast will run on April 6, 2005 at 7:00 p.m. GMT at www.3voor12.nl (click webtv). From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Mar 29 16:53:41 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:53:41 -0500 Subject: ED MUNDELL TO JAM WITH SPACE RITUAL AT ROADBURN FESTIVAL Message-ID: MONSTER MAGNET Guitarist To Jam with SPACE RITUAL at Holland?s ROADBURN FESTIVAL, Saturday, April 9th, 013-Tilburg On Saturday, April 9th, the Dutch Roadburn Festival is celebrating its 10th anniversary edition with a stunning variety of space/stoner/doom rock bands on three different stages w/ Brant Bjork & The Bros, Sunn 0))), Electric Wizard (the first ever show with the 'We Live' line-up!) & High on Fire amongst others at 013-Tilburg. MONSTER MAGNET lead guitarist Ed Mundell has been confirmed to jam live on stage with headliners SPACE RITUAL ?the band was formed in 2001 to revive the lost magic, the truly interstellar spirit of HAWKWIND, of which the band were all members, and this will be Space Ritual's first ever gig on the European mainland. Check www.roadburn.com for the complete line up. Hollands major network, VPRO 3voor12 will pull off a live-webcast of the 10th Roadburn Festival. In other news, VPRO 3voor12 will re-broadcast last year's "Monster Magnet Live at the 9th Roadburn Festival" webtv-webcast. The webcast will run on April 6, 2005 at 7:00 p.m. GMT at www.3voor12.nl (click webtv). Walter/Editor-In-Chief Roadburn www.roadburn.com walter at roadburn.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 30 05:46:03 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks? It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid. Thanks FoFP From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Mar 30 11:16:24 2005 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:16:24 CST Subject: BOC: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:00:02 CST." <200503301000.j2UA02KB016548@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:22:01 -0800, Gary Shindler ranted: >I got some cash and figured, hey now I'll buy the Stalk-Forest CD. Order >it from Rhino Handmade. Never see it show up on my bank account. Eventually >call. They tell me it's on backorder. If it doesn't come in within a month >I'm SOL. I call a couple of days before the month lapses, it's still on >backorder and they don't know when it will come in. There are 10 other >orders in front of mine. I don't like being strung out. Hey Gary--did you ever get your copy? Ordering the CD was one of those "Yeah--I gotta do that..." things that I never got around to doing until last week after I saw your post. (Hey, I panicked...) Ummm...mine arrived Monday. #4871/5000. "Bad oats in town..." m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 30 11:56:50 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:56:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: Stalk-Forest In-Reply-To: <200503301616.j2UGGOI05764@facehugger.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: I didn't and I guess I should get off my ass if I really want it. > Hey Gary--did you ever get your copy? Ordering the > CD was one of those > "Yeah--I gotta do that..." things that I never got > around to doing until > last week after I saw your post. (Hey, I > panicked...) > > Ummm...mine arrived Monday. #4871/5000. "Bad oats > in town..." > > m@ > > +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that > failed too many times -----BOC+ > | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations > that were too hard to find | > | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my > bloodstream, poison's in my pride| > +Simulation Technology Team-+--- I'm after > rebellion--I'll settle for lies. --+ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Mar 30 12:01:34 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:01:34 -0500 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving >Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a >reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks? > >It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid. I'm not in the know, but I've got a handful of these - I assume you mean just the recent post-2000 stuff, which has been primarily Hawkwind tracks. I think that to date there have only been 2 official releases, both on Ozit, the first being the '2001 A Space Odyssey Live' double silver-CD release, and the second being the 'Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002' CD-R. Space Odyssey was (rightly) raked over the coals for its sub-bootleg quality sound so its probably not a good choice. I thought G&G was flawed but worthy, so I lean toward a yes on that one, I liked it quite a bit at the time. Apparently there is a 3rd release coming soon, another live disc called Live at the Cygnian Electric Ballroom on Venus or something like that which supposedly features the usual tracks but promises to be better quality than either of the 2 preceding releases, AndyG might have more info as I got the news via one of his mailings. Note also that Nik supports trading and there have been several shows distributed on NeoQuark with sound quality much better than Space Odyssey and almost as good or as good as G&G. Stephan From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 30 12:23:36 2005 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:23:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD Message-ID: Seconded!! The Dave/Lemmy mutual appreciation society continues (quite right too!!)......some studio work together would be good. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 28 March 2005 20:56 Subject: Re: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD >Hello all- > >I just picked up a copy of the Motorhead Ace of Spades Classic Album DVD. >It is excellent. Lot's of great interviews; Dave Brock talks quite a bit >about Lemmy and there is a clip of Hawkwind playing Silver Machine. It is a >must have for any Motorhead or Hawkwind fan. > > >At $13.98, you can't beat the price!! > >Dan > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 30 12:25:14 2005 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:25:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD Message-ID: No. This is just brilliant. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Pierluigi Fumi To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Date: 29 March 2005 11:41 Subject: Re: OFF: Classic Albums - Motorhead: Ace of Spades DVD >Ketil Svendsen wrote: > >> i've also ordered the "Inside Mot?rhead" dvd - anybody got a clue to >> what it is ...? i quote: "This is the long awaited independent critical >> review ..." etcetc. They seem to have made a lot of those, for a lot of >> different bands. >> sounds fishy... > >this should be one of the "Classic Rock" DVD featuring almost nothing >new... > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 30 12:50:14 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:14 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Just been announced that the series has been renewed for a second year + a Xmas special! Ian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 30 13:19:32 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:19:32 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:14 +0100 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > Just been announced that the series has been renewed for a second year + a > Xmas special! Good news indeed. Since I have a Ph.D student called Linda Hu working for me, I expect to be attending a Doctor Hu party sooner or later... FoFP From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 30 13:28:21 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:28:21 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > Just been announced that the series has been renewed for a second year + a > > Xmas special! > > Good news indeed. > > Since I have a Ph.D student called Linda Hu working for me, I expect to > be attending a Doctor Hu party sooner or later... > > FoFP > Ouch! I say again, "Ouch!" From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 30 15:48:56 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:56 +0100 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: naaaaah. without judge trev all his stuff is crap judge trev AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Forstner" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Blasphemy: which Nik? > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100, M Holmes > wrote: >>Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving >>Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a >>reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks? >> >>It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid. > > I'm not in the know, but I've got a handful of these - I assume you mean > just the recent post-2000 stuff, which has been primarily Hawkwind tracks. > I think that to date there have only been 2 official releases, both on > Ozit, the first being the '2001 A Space Odyssey Live' double silver-CD > release, and the second being the 'Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002' > CD-R. Space Odyssey was (rightly) raked over the coals for its sub-bootleg > quality sound so its probably not a good choice. I thought G&G was flawed > but worthy, so I lean toward a yes on that one, I liked it quite a bit at > the time. Apparently there is a 3rd release coming soon, another live disc > called Live at the Cygnian Electric Ballroom on Venus or something like > that which supposedly features the usual tracks but promises to be better > quality than either of the 2 preceding releases, AndyG might have more > info > as I got the news via one of his mailings. Note also that Nik supports > trading and there have been several shows distributed on NeoQuark with > sound quality much better than Space Odyssey and almost as good or as good > as G&G. > > Stephan > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 30 19:51:33 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:51:33 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: rats - you spotted it - my wife (the one doin the English voiceover on the Psytrax CD - not got yours yet? see the Dead Earnest website) - who loved it - reckons I was just in a bad mood!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: David and Manami Greenhalgh To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: dr. who > On 29 Mar 2005, at 01:04, Cyberkrel wrote: > > > Sorry - not impressed - not an original thought in its head - the > > script at > > the end was plain embarassing with the Dr and the tub of goo - the > > ideas > > were a mix of The Avengers and Terminator 2 - and a lot of it was just > > laughable - maybe that's the point - maybe we 're meant to laugh at it > > - not > > take it seriously. > > Andy G. > > > Mr. G, you have no soul ;-) From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 30 19:58:17 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:58:17 +0100 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: Apart from the Cleopatra label albums - all of which are essential listening, the best one by far is the "Transglobal" double live CD which is PHENOMENAL!!! If only the label (5 months from asking and them promising to post it on numerous occasions) would supply uis with more copies, we could get it out there. As to "Venusian" - watch this space!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Forstner To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Blasphemy: which Nik? > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > >Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving > >Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a > >reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks? > > > >It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid. > > I'm not in the know, but I've got a handful of these - I assume you mean > just the recent post-2000 stuff, which has been primarily Hawkwind tracks. > I think that to date there have only been 2 official releases, both on > Ozit, the first being the '2001 A Space Odyssey Live' double silver-CD > release, and the second being the 'Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002' > CD-R. Space Odyssey was (rightly) raked over the coals for its sub-bootleg > quality sound so its probably not a good choice. I thought G&G was flawed > but worthy, so I lean toward a yes on that one, I liked it quite a bit at > the time. Apparently there is a 3rd release coming soon, another live disc > called Live at the Cygnian Electric Ballroom on Venus or something like > that which supposedly features the usual tracks but promises to be better > quality than either of the 2 preceding releases, AndyG might have more info > as I got the news via one of his mailings. Note also that Nik supports > trading and there have been several shows distributed on NeoQuark with > sound quality much better than Space Odyssey and almost as good or as good > as G&G. > > Stephan From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Mar 30 19:58:53 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:58:53 +0100 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: lol - biased? him? surely not!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: trev To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Blasphemy: which Nik? > naaaaah. without judge trev all his stuff is crap > > judge trev > > AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO > MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS > EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN > RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR > http://www.judgetrev.com > > REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, > Chat, Healers > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephan Forstner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: Blasphemy: which Nik? > > > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100, M Holmes > > wrote: > >>Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving > >>Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a > >>reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks? > >> > >>It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid. > > > > I'm not in the know, but I've got a handful of these - I assume you mean > > just the recent post-2000 stuff, which has been primarily Hawkwind tracks. > > I think that to date there have only been 2 official releases, both on > > Ozit, the first being the '2001 A Space Odyssey Live' double silver-CD > > release, and the second being the 'Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002' > > CD-R. Space Odyssey was (rightly) raked over the coals for its sub-bootleg > > quality sound so its probably not a good choice. I thought G&G was flawed > > but worthy, so I lean toward a yes on that one, I liked it quite a bit at > > the time. Apparently there is a 3rd release coming soon, another live disc > > called Live at the Cygnian Electric Ballroom on Venus or something like > > that which supposedly features the usual tracks but promises to be better > > quality than either of the 2 preceding releases, AndyG might have more > > info > > as I got the news via one of his mailings. Note also that Nik supports > > trading and there have been several shows distributed on NeoQuark with > > sound quality much better than Space Odyssey and almost as good or as good > > as G&G. > > > > Stephan > > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Mar 30 20:28:35 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:28:35 -0500 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <007501c5358b$c9ae5960$c12a7ad5@andy> Message-ID: Would any AMERICAN Dr. Who fans please contact me offlist about an idea I have regarding seeing the show. This will be the first and only message about this. Now returning you to your usual Hawkwind/BOC music discussions. Mike From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 30 20:35:47 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:35:47 -0500 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:58:17 +0100, Cyberkrel wrote: > >Apart from the Cleopatra label albums - all of which are essential >listening, Agreed, although Mike's original request (IIRC) was for albums with Hawkwind songs on them, so that would disqualify 'Sphynx' (remakes of songs from Xitintoday) and 'Prophets of Time' (remakes of ICU songs), although the latter is completely worth it (IMHO) for Simon House's violin playing on "Stonehenge Who Knows", which marginally out-does the original for that reason, even though Fred's playing on the original is also excellent. (Don't worry, Trev, I like the original ICU versions of all the other songs better.) >the best one by far is the "Transglobal" double live CD which is >PHENOMENAL!!! Yeah, I'd agree that one is more essential than the Cleopatra albums (especially as it contains material very similar to the two live albums). I got mine used at Amoeba in LA, for whatever that's worth ... >If only the label (5 months from asking and them promising to >post it on numerous occasions) would supply uis with more copies, we could >get it out there. (personal to Andy: oh cr at p! thanks for reminding me!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 30 20:48:52 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:48:52 EST Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/30/2005 8:36:10 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: Agreed, although Mike's original request (IIRC) was for albums with Hawkwind songs on them . . .'Prophets of Time' (remakes of ICU songs), 'Prophets of Time' does have a cover of 'Children of the Sun' and a spoken word version of 'Chances Lost' and also a version of 'Armour for Everyday/Power Armour' on it. Joe From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Mar 31 00:55:35 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:55:35 EST Subject: dr. who Message-ID: In a message dated 30/03/05 18:51:18 GMT Daylight Time, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > Just been announced that the series has been renewed for a second year + a > Xmas special! > And following that announcement comes this from BBC News: Eccleston quits Doctor Who role! Read all about it here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4395849.stm Steve. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 01:13:42 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:13:42 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: No surprise there, unfortunately. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: Re: dr. who > In a message dated 30/03/05 18:51:18 GMT Daylight Time, > ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > Just been announced that the series has been renewed for a second year + a > > Xmas special! > > > > And following that announcement comes this from BBC News: > > Eccleston quits Doctor Who role! > > Read all about it here: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4395849.stm > > Steve. > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 01:57:27 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:57:27 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one for you :-) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Mar 31 04:08:11 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:08:11 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <007501c5358b$c9ae5960$c12a7ad5@andy> Message-ID: On 31-Mar-2005 01:51, Cyberkrel wrote: > rats - you spotted it - my wife (the one doin the English voiceover on the > Psytrax CD - not got yours yet? see the Dead Earnest website) - who loved > it - reckons I was just in a bad mood!! Well, it's easy to try and hold Dr. Who to the high standards of Best Memories :) I figure it's fairer to compare it to other contemporary vaguely SF/paranormally-themed TV shows (of which there seem to be a raft, of varying quality). And I'd realistically expect a new show (which the new Dr. Who effectively is) to take some time to find its feet. It's gotta be good enough to last a few seasons, but plenty of shows really only hit their stride after a few seasons. I though the Dr. Who was good enough to give a chance. 'Course I'm rooting for it, but I've not got enough time in my life to watch something that sucks, either! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 31 05:25:21 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:25:21 +0100 Subject: calling Aussie hawkfans Message-ID: I have a need to send a cheque for 60 Aussie Dollars to a guy in Australia. It'd be easier if someone could send this from Australia and save the currency conversion, and have me obtain some Hawk, or other items in Britain to be sent out to them. Are there any volunteers? FoFP From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Mar 31 09:04:29 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:04:29 -0600 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: <002d01c535be$e65f70c0$f0a64354@SN037539420006> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: :Subject: Re: dr. who : :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... : :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one :for you :-) /me laughs. I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. Admittedly, he won't be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns that honor), but yeesh. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 31 09:33:57 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:33:57 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:04:29 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: > :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... > :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one > :for you :-) > I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. Admittedly, he won't > be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns that > honor), but yeesh. It's a strange time to announce it. Everyone watching the other 12 episodes will now realise that he's soon to be an ex-Doctor. The Beeb also seems to have stitched up the Casanova guy as a replacement. Are they trying to turn it into Yoof TV? I'd far rather see Bill Nighy be given a shot at it. FoFP From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 10:22:50 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:22:50 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: I think this has been on the cards for a few months - he never ever sounded in interviews like he was going to carry on past one year ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > :Subject: Re: dr. who > : > :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... > : > :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one > :for you :-) > > /me laughs. > > I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. Admittedly, he won't > be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns that > honor), but yeesh. > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 10:23:41 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:23:41 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: How would Bill Nighy go down with the target audience though? David Tenant is a good choice, if true, and is a longtime Who fan that would stick with it for the long haul Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > Arin Komins writes: > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > > :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... > > > :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one > > :for you :-) > > > I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. Admittedly, he won't > > be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns that > > honor), but yeesh. > > It's a strange time to announce it. Everyone watching the other 12 > episodes will now realise that he's soon to be an ex-Doctor. > > The Beeb also seems to have stitched up the Casanova guy as a > replacement. Are they trying to turn it into Yoof TV? I'd far rather see > Bill Nighy be given a shot at it. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 31 11:16:02 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:16:02 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:23:41 +0100 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > How would Bill Nighy go down with the target audience though? He's the right age. He's eccentric. He's quintessentially British. > David Tenant is a good choice, I dunno. He just plain looks to young and clean. The role needs some gravitas and a sinister edge. > if true, and is a longtime Who fan that would > stick with it for the long haul. That would certainly be a plus. Thinking about it a bit more, I reckon the burping wheelie bin was a mistake. There's room for humour, but it shouldn't undermine the idea that there's real threat present. I think the burp was played too much for laughs from the kids and they should be scared, not giggling. Too much comedy is where they screwed up from Colin Baker onwards, especially with that stupid robot dog. I always liked the Cybermen in the monster role. However they're beat like red-headed step children by the fashion sense of The Borg, so I dunno how easy it would be to reprise them. The Daleks might suffer the same problem, though they could more easily update them while keeping continuity. A kind of postmodern Dalek as a floating Silver Smartie with the same voice and a beam weapon would work fine. The very featurlessness of such a monster would seem threatening, though I appreciate that the temptation to go with the old sink-plungers will almost certainly prove overwhelming. Good decision to keep the Tardis and the update to the internals is fine. Reprising the Companion as a Buffy character is inevitable, and will probably prove a hit with preteen girlies. What they absolutely have to do is reprise UNIT as a modern take-no-prisoners SAS squad with a bit of Spooks thrown in, though the Leftbridge-Stewart replacement should probably have a bit of the eccentric old Colonel in him. All in all though, I'd rather have seen them do Jerry Cornelius instead. He's a hip British time-traveller after all and the whole Sixties thing could lend the appropriate level of humour. Trips out from Time Central could easily lend itself to an episodic format. Mind you, they probably couldn't have Bishop Beesely bugger anyone with a Mars Bar and hope to air it before the kids went to bed. FoFP From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 11:40:26 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:40:26 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > > I dunno. He just plain looks to young and clean. The role needs some > gravitas and a sinister edge. We've seen the light Tennant in "Casanova" and the heavy Tennant in "Blackpool" - I think we can safely say that he can do both! Ian From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 31 11:47:13 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:47:13 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: > All in all though, I'd rather have seen them do Jerry Cornelius instead. > He's a hip British time-traveller after all and the whole Sixties thing > could lend the appropriate level of humour. Trips out from Time Central > could easily lend itself to an episodic format. Mind you, they probably > couldn't have Bishop Beesely bugger anyone with a Mars Bar and hope to > air it before the kids went to bed. Dammit we need a remake of The Time Tunnel for the new millennium. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 31 11:54:36 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:54:36 +0100 Subject: dr. who In-Reply-To: Chris Allen's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:47:13 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Allen writes: > > All in all though, I'd rather have seen them do Jerry Cornelius instead. > > He's a hip British time-traveller after all and the whole Sixties thing > > could lend the appropriate level of humour. Trips out from Time Central > > could easily lend itself to an episodic format. Mind you, they probably > > couldn't have Bishop Beesely bugger anyone with a Mars Bar and hope to > > air it before the kids went to bed. > Dammit we need a remake of The Time Tunnel for the new millennium. The trouble with TTT and to an extent Quantum Leap was that they tended to be primers in "History of the US". It'd be nice to think that they could do some sort of Jerry Cornelius series without resorting to that. FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Mar 31 12:28:27 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:28:27 -0500 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: FoFP writes: >Ian Abrahams writes: >> How would Bill Nighy go down with the target audience though? >He's the right age. He's eccentric. He's quintessentially British. And soon to be internationally known for his role as Slartibartfast in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. If the movie's a hit, his presence might help sell the series abroad. Brian NP> Love Sculpture "Sabre Dance" From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Mar 31 12:34:49 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:34:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: OEB mini setlist: 3/30/05 Message-ID: One Eyed Bishops @ Burlington County College, 3/30/05 A very spirited 'quickie' of a show, but great fun nonetheless. I would say it was probably the fastest version of 'Sundown' we've ever played ( and we've certainly played it a lot). mini setlist: Smokestack Lightning Uranium Zone Hurry On Sundown lineup: Mike Burro: semi hollow body electric guitar/vocals Greg Elwell: Telecaster special Jay Adcock: Djembe/ backing vocals http://www.freewebs.com/oebs From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 31 12:55:05 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:55:05 -0500 Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik? Message-ID: If you haven't got the 90's stuff yet, and you want Hawkwind tunes, then I'd say 'Past or Future?' is the essential pick, closely followed by 'Transglobal F&R' and then 'Space Ritual 1994 Live'. All definitely worth having IMHO. Stephan From colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Mar 31 17:10:02 2005 From: colm.mcwilliams at NTLWORLD.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:10:02 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: eddie izzard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > I think this has been on the cards for a few months - he never ever sounded > in interviews like he was going to carry on past one year > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arin Komins" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: dr. who > > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: > > > > :Subject: Re: dr. who > > : > > :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... > > : > > :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and fixed that one > > :for you :-) > > > > /me laughs. > > > > I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. Admittedly, he won't > > be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns that > > honor), but yeesh. > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > Assistant Director/ENSS > > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Mar 31 17:28:57 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:28:57 +0100 Subject: dr. who Message-ID: Alan Davies ----- Original Message ----- From: "colm mcwilliams" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: Re: dr. who > eddie izzard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Abrahams" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: dr. who > > >> I think this has been on the cards for a few months - he never >> ever > sounded >> in interviews like he was going to carry on past one year >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arin Komins" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:04 PM >> Subject: Re: dr. who >> >> >> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote: >> > >> > :Subject: Re: dr. who >> > : >> > :> I'm not sure I like Eccleston yet.... >> > : >> > :Don't worry, Arin, I had a quick word round at the BBC and >> > fixed that > one >> > :for you :-) >> > >> > /me laughs. >> > >> > I can't believe he's packing it in after 1 season. >> > Admittedly, he won't >> > be the shortest-run doctor in memory (McGann, of course, earns >> > that >> > honor), but yeesh. >> > >> > Arin >> > -- >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Arin Komins >> > akomins at uchicago.edu >> > Assistant Director/ENSS >> > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: >> > (773)834-4087 >> > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: >> > (773)702-0559 >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >