From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 1 02:19:36 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 02:19:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? In-Reply-To: <20050701032334.C8B03E816@regurgitate.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On 6/30/05, Bill Bradley wrote: > > Anyone know that KLF Dr. Who football song? > > That'd be Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll Part 2" done as "The > Timelords" > (one of the KLF's alter egos, like the JAMS) called Doctorin' the Tardis. > The CD single (which I have right here) also includes Gary Joins the JAMS > with Gary Glitter. > > Bill > I can't believe some of the stuff they do I got Doctorin the Tardis yes from Kazaa and it's probably te most confusing thing for other people in my house to hear me listening too. Burning 1 million pounds, recording que sera with the Red Army Chorus. Or the SovRAC as I call them Actually the best concert I've ever been to in my life was when they performed at Mechanics hall in Worcester, about 90 people on stage including the sword dancers, cover was $12, I think I have all ther album releases actually and just imagine that there was furious standing applause and cheering in the middle of some of their songs. I've gotten mp3s of them with the Leningrad Cowboys, Space Tractor could be my top pick. And the Chorus has been recording their own albums since I think 1968. They improved constantly and especially when they adopted female singers. The show I went to their sound was pretty close that of the "Kalinka!" album. From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 1 02:33:29 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 02:33:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Orbital did that Dr. Who theme track a couple years ago but I prefer the theme straight from TV, sometimes I'd watch the show and appreciate the beginning and closing credits way more than the particular episode. Blasphemous sure but a huge effort to try to tune it in from 100 miles away when it's only on 20 weeks out of the year at randomly 11PM, 1130PM or 12AM On 7/1/05, Drill wrote: > On 6/30/05, Bill Bradley wrote: > > > Anyone know that KLF Dr. Who football song? > > > > That'd be Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll Part 2" done as "The > > Timelords" > > (one of the KLF's alter egos, like the JAMS) called Doctorin' the Tardis. > > The CD single (which I have right here) also includes Gary Joins the JAMS > > with Gary Glitter. > > > > Bill > > > > I can't believe some of the stuff they do I got Doctorin the Tardis > yes from Kazaa and it's probably te most confusing thing for other > people in my house to hear me listening too. Burning 1 million pounds, > recording que sera with the Red Army Chorus. Or the SovRAC as I call > them Actually the best concert I've ever been to in my life was when > they performed at Mechanics hall in Worcester, about 90 people on > stage including the sword dancers, cover was $12, I think I have all > ther album releases actually and just imagine that there was furious > standing applause and cheering in the middle of some of their songs. > I've gotten mp3s of them with the Leningrad Cowboys, Space Tractor > could be my top pick. And the Chorus has been recording their own > albums since I think 1968. They improved constantly and especially > when they adopted female singers. The show I went to their sound was > pretty close that of the "Kalinka!" album. > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Jul 1 04:05:13 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:05:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those of you in the UK, there's an excellent article on KLF in this month's Q magazine, the one with Oasis on the cover (again!) Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Drill Sent: 01 July 2005 07:20 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? On 6/30/05, Bill Bradley wrote: > > Anyone know that KLF Dr. Who football song? > > That'd be Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll Part 2" done as "The > Timelords" > (one of the KLF's alter egos, like the JAMS) called Doctorin' the Tardis. > The CD single (which I have right here) also includes Gary Joins the JAMS > with Gary Glitter. > > Bill > I can't believe some of the stuff they do I got Doctorin the Tardis yes from Kazaa and it's probably te most confusing thing for other people in my house to hear me listening too. Burning 1 million pounds, recording que sera with the Red Army Chorus. Or the SovRAC as I call them Actually the best concert I've ever been to in my life was when they performed at Mechanics hall in Worcester, about 90 people on stage including the sword dancers, cover was $12, I think I have all ther album releases actually and just imagine that there was furious standing applause and cheering in the middle of some of their songs. I've gotten mp3s of them with the Leningrad Cowboys, Space Tractor could be my top pick. And the Chorus has been recording their own albums since I think 1968. They improved constantly and especially when they adopted female singers. The show I went to their sound was pretty close that of the "Kalinka!" album. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 1 04:57:39 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That was excellent :) A few quick notes before I embark on the highly rock'n'roll activity of going on holiday with my mother-in- law .... ;) A lineup of guitar/bass/drums/ and 2 electronic noise makers -- that's the spacerock action there :) Spacey noodly intros that set a contemplative mood and then explode into frenzies of consciousness- obliterating, rocket-powered blanga. Good :) Top notch lights! All there were were some random projections onto a screen at the back and a combo of one strobe/one multi-beam-coloured- flower-thing stationed on the stage in front of and below the bass drum. Oh, and a smoke machine. So, basically, a hell of a lot of the time there was just this wash of white or coloured light with random beams shooting past your ears while a wall of blanga swept over you. Good :) Excellent bass playing, despite it not being a Rick ;) Sometimes I thought there could be more wah on the guitar, but sometimes I thought it was perfect -- which means that in reality the amount of wah deployed must have been pretty excessive :) Drumming was fast and tight and the dual-swoosh dudes on the wings filled in all the spaces they should. Only hiccup sound wise really was the vocals were pretty indistinct (stage announcements could have been in Venusian for all I knew), but if the worst thing one can find to say is that the live vocals in a small venue were kinda incomprensible -- well, what do you expect? They took a bit to warm up, I thought, but once they were going, they were really going. There were definitely a few moments where you thought, "Damn, that's cool! I wish I was doing that!", and what more's to ask? Ah, I would also note that their CD sounds better on my stereo than on Jon's :) But then I think most CDs sound better on my stereo than they do anywhere else, mostly by virtue of location :) Hope to see Litmus again! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 1 05:17:25 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:17:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? In-Reply-To: <001701c57b85$7ab5d190$6401a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Mike Montfort wrote: > I didn't like Eccleston very much in the first couple of episodes, > either, but I have to admit he really grew on me a lot and I'll miss him > not being there for the next series. They put a lot of work into character development scriptwise for the Doctor, and Eccleston's big schoolboy persona was making a lot more sense as a defensive way to hide from moral reality by the end. What little I've seen of Tennant leads me to suspect that baffled earnest gaucheness is more his strong suit, which for character continuity will suck, so I hope he has other strings to his bow. > However the best Dr Who episodes this year were the two parter The Empty > Child and The Doctor Dances... Now that was amazing writing. They were great. I particularly admired the way the horrific visual image they created (scriptwriter exorcising a gasmasked-people nightmare there do we think perhaps?) was actually dismantled as part of the denouement. The girl who played the young mother had some acting in her too. But some genuinely scary stuff in there, a very effective variant of mindless horror and a great deal of buckled swash and backchat to meet it, too. I think after the threat had been successfully diffused, the thing about that doublet that may remain with me longest is one of the credits, the kid who got the job of being "Voice of the Empty Child". That phrase is going to stay with me a long long time. Yours, Jon ObCD: Spiral Realms - _A Trip to G9_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jul 1 05:38:46 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:38:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Colin J Allen wrote: > Thursday 30th June > > The Man on the Moon > Cambridge > > Support from: > Mr Zed > The Khe Sanh Approach. Of course I was there, among far too few other people, and late last night I wrote as follows. "First band on were playing as I arrived, reversing with what turned out to be horrible injustice the billed support order. The band who should have been second and were first were Mr Zed, whose name I had seen on a blackboard here while passing some nonths before and I was intrigued to encounter this apparently Cambridge space-rock band. I'm not sure they are space-rock really, but what they are is like really early festival jambands like Here'n'Now, or like the live half of Floyd's _Ummagumma_ at about twice the speed. Very able and interesting bass player; very lively and fast drummer, though not so perfect with timing; nonetheless the two worked very well together. Guitarist and singer making max use of effects on both these noises. A great deal of wah and flanger on the guitar, and some quality strange noises from both him and the keyboardist/howler. Nonetheless, the top end didn't meet the bottom a lot of the the time and though they were unquestionably making the big psychedelic noise, and good on 'em for it, they were doing so in what was either a tiresomely or a charmingly amateur way. I'd see them again though. "The band who should have been first were The Khe Sanh Approach. There is a notional list of bands who were the worst acts I've seen, most of whom I've managed to forget, but this lot are on it now. Sixth-form College students, I'm guessing, mainly the work of a singer and keyboardist who was unable to decide between Iggy Pop and Jarvis Cocker for his image but had the talent of neither. Drums all sequenced; bass could have been too except for a few moments of liveliness, and the two guitarists didn't really differentiate or add anything until the three minutes of scorching feedback which closed their thankfully short set and was by far the best noise the band produced. "Litmus, playing to a tiny crowd, took a while to warm up, and sounded vocally shot, with the keyboard (actual keyboard, rather than synth, sequencers, theremins, etc.) parts again lost in the otherwise good mix. Intense lights in this small venue, and very loud; smoke machines the final ingredient in a cauldron of high-energy audio alteration. By the time they finished, playing like demons and impossible to stay still to; just a pity it wasn't like that from the get-go. "Tracklist: Intro/ ?The Projection/ Destroy the Mothership/ The Tempest/ You Are Here/ Sonic Light/ Under the Sign/ Infinity Drive/ Twinstar. No encore. `Projection', if that's its name, is new and seemingly not quite finished, but has a good core; `Mothership' stood out for its usual intensity and attack; `Tempest' was lots shorter than usual and is still looking for a direction unfortunately. Not a happily- completed song this one. Electric version of `You Are Here' new to me, a free break after the verse which really signalled the beginning of the performance. After that, no looking back. Top band. Nice to see them good as I always hope they'll be." Yours all, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 1 06:25:06 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:25:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01 Jul 2005, at 10:38, Jon Jarrett wrote: > "Tracklist: Intro/ ?The Projection/ Destroy the Mothership/ The > Tempest/ You Are Here/ Sonic Light/ Under the Sign/ Infinity Drive/ > Twinstar. Which was the one that dropped into a slower, really quite heavy riff just before (what I assume was) its end? Towards the second half, I think .... "Under the Sign", possibly? That made an fun addition to the regular dish of 170bpm blanga with a side-helping of chilled synth-wash. Cheers Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 1 07:56:07 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:56:07 +0100 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Tony's message of Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:13:40 +0100 Message-ID: Tony writes: > Not read much of his stuff but love all the films I've seen based on his > books - Blade Runner, Minority Report, Paycheck, Total Recall. All top > movies. I only really liked Blade Runner but I have high hopes for the movie of "A Scanner Darkly". For me, "The Matrix" was more K.Dick than any of the movies of his novels. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 1 08:03:02 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:03:02 +0100 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > The final release of the movie (Bladerunner) was semi-butchered at the > studio's insistence (after PKD's death but before theatrical release). > The suits thought it didn't make sense, hence the voiceover narration was > added. They thought it was depressing, so the happy ending was tacked on > (which bugs me much more than the narration). I haven't seen the > director's cut (which "corrects" the studio's meddling), so I don't know > whether or not it touches more on the all-important question (completely > ignored in the theatrical version): Is Deckard, himself, a replicant? The Director's Cut makes that pretty clear. FoFP From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jul 1 08:40:28 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:40:28 -0500 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: Philip Dick : :On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:00:15 -0400, Drill :wrote: : :>Voiceover, what was that about, "these moments will be lost in time :>like tears in the rain"? That's what he didn't like? : :The final release of the movie (Bladerunner) was semi-butchered at the :studio's insistence (after PKD's death but before theatrical release). :The suits thought it didn't make sense, hence the voiceover narration was :added. They thought it was depressing, so the happy ending was tacked on :(which bugs me much more than the narration). I haven't seen the :director's cut (which "corrects" the studio's meddling), so I don't know :whether or not it touches more on the all-important question (completely :ignored in the theatrical version): Is Deckard, himself, a replicant? I'm still waiting for the release with the third ending (the one where Rachel kills herself because she is the last replicant.) BTW, if you are interested in the making of the movie, Paul Sammon has a fabulous book out there about it ("Future Noir: The Making of Blade Runner"), as well as a series of articles prior to that books publication. I did some research on the Making of in 1990 for a visual anthropology class, and used a bunch of his research ;-) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jul 1 10:54:05 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:54:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Following last night's gig in Cambridge (Simon, what were you doing with that cymbal?), the next outing for Litmus will be the Camden Underworld on July 29th supporting Witchcraft (think the people who inspired Black Sabbath teleported to 2005) with Circulus also on the bill. Colin From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 1 21:29:04 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who, how was it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It sounds like there's alot to these new episodes I can't wait to see them. Drill From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 1 21:32:41 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:32:41 -0500 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: <200507011156.j61Bu7cs007729@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 7/1/05, M Holmes wrote: > Tony writes: > > > Not read much of his stuff but love all the films I've seen based on his > > books - Blade Runner, Minority Report, Paycheck, Total Recall. All top > > movies. > > I only really liked Blade Runner but I have high hopes for the movie of > "A Scanner Darkly". > > For me, "The Matrix" was more K.Dick than any of the movies of his novels. > > FoFP I never thought of that..strangely I liked the movie Johhny Mnemonic when it was universally dismiessed. That was scripted by the guy who wrote Neuromancer. -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sat Jul 2 08:53:24 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:53:24 +0000 Subject: Stewkey ( of The Nazz ) to join OEBs at 'Highway to Healthcare' event 7/17/05 Message-ID: Greetings friends, It's a pleasure to announce that for our second set,( approximately 1:30 PM ), The One Eyed Bishops will be joined by Stewkey, singer from Philadelphia's legendary 60's psych-pop band The Nazz. see http://www.stewkey.com The webaddress for the entire event is: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Remember the concerts and health fair portion of this event take place at the FINISH ( Deborah hospital, Browns Mills), not the STARTING point!! ( Burlington Center Mall ). Make sure you read the flyer carefully, and feel free to contact the staff using the links on the website. Additional questions may be directed to Pam Miller at Bluejazpam at aol.com For those of you who don't know about it yet, this is a charity motorcycle run which benefits Deborah Heart & Lung Center in Browns Mills, New Jersey. Deborah is an internationally known facility; as the hospital caters to patients who normally cannot afford or gain access to advanced pulminary/cardiac & respiratory health care. In addition the cycle run, there will be concerts on the hospital grounds ( also the finish point for the run ), free health screenings, refreshments and more!! This is a a great chance to see some live music, plus you can do a check on your own health as well. I believe that everything is FREE, EXCEPT there is a fee for those who plan to ride in the cycle rally.. See the information below for details! Remember the concerts take place at the FINISH not at the START point Here's a tentative schedule for the event. Start times could be slightly earlier than listed by 10-15 minutes 11:30AM The Patriotic voice of America (10 minutes) 12:00 PM The Screaming Eels ( Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band! ) (25 minutes) Announcements 12:30 PM The Screaming Eels (25 minutes) Announcements 1:00 PM The One Eyed Bishops (25 minutes) Announcements 1:30 PM The One Eyed Bishops with Stewkey of The Nazz! (25 minutes) Announcements 2:00 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) announcements 2:30 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) Closing Announcements 3:30 These times are estimates and presented as a guide. One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Jul 2 10:28:43 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:28:43 -0400 Subject: HAWK:WOTEOT Message-ID: WOW! Saw this on secondspin.com used cd site @ $85.00 ! tim 8>)... From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sat Jul 2 17:49:21 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:49:21 -0400 Subject: Stewkey ( of The Nazz ) to join OEBs at 'Highway to Healthcare' event 7/17/05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm gonna go if I can get get off work. Oh wait I have no job! On 7/2/05, Burro Mike wrote: > Greetings friends, > It's a pleasure to announce that for our second set,( approximately 1:30 PM > ), > The One Eyed Bishops will be joined by Stewkey, singer from Philadelphia's > legendary 60's > psych-pop band The Nazz. > see http://www.stewkey.com > > The webaddress for the entire event is: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org > > Remember the concerts and health fair portion of this event take place at > the FINISH ( Deborah hospital, Browns Mills), not the STARTING point!! ( > Burlington Center Mall ). > Make sure you read the flyer carefully, and feel free to contact the staff > using the links on the website. Additional questions may be directed to Pam > Miller at Bluejazpam at aol.com > > For those of you who don't know about it yet, this is a charity motorcycle > run which benefits Deborah Heart & Lung Center in Browns Mills, New Jersey. > Deborah is an internationally known facility; as the hospital caters to > patients who normally cannot afford or gain access to advanced > pulminary/cardiac & respiratory health care. In addition the cycle run, > there will be concerts on the hospital grounds ( also the finish point for > the run ), free health screenings, refreshments and more!! This is a a great > chance to see some live music, plus you can do a check on your own health as > well. I believe that everything is FREE, EXCEPT there is a fee for those who > plan to ride in the cycle rally.. See the information below for details! > Remember the concerts take place at the FINISH not at the START point > > Here's a tentative schedule for the event. > Start times could be slightly earlier than listed by 10-15 minutes > > 11:30AM The Patriotic voice of America (10 minutes) > 12:00 PM The Screaming Eels ( Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band! ) (25 > minutes) > Announcements > 12:30 PM The Screaming Eels (25 minutes) > Announcements > 1:00 PM The One Eyed Bishops (25 minutes) > Announcements > 1:30 PM The One Eyed Bishops with Stewkey of The Nazz! (25 minutes) > Announcements > 2:00 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) > announcements > 2:30 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) > Closing Announcements 3:30 > > These times are estimates and presented as a guide. > > One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 3 16:46:31 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:46:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <793DF593-73DB-4FB1-8374-9230C7A080B9@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 7/1/05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > That was excellent :) A few quick notes before I embark on the > highly rock'n'roll activity of going on holiday with my mother-in- > law .... ;) > > A lineup of guitar/bass/drums/ and 2 electronic noise makers -- I've got some vacuum tube oscillators, once with some added circuitry I made I tried to contribute to a performance of Sonic attack at a show where my friends band opened for Wesley Willis! They would NOT have it though, bourgeouis conservative spacerock posers that lot. The band was Automind, named after a cartoon character I use in animation, named of course after the Automind that sets landing coordinates on th eplanet Medusa. Sigh. It's prety hard not to have a neat light show with a few video projectors, digital projectors almost ubiquitous nowadays along with $15 strobe lights but you can do so much more than that, this equipment has some obvious limitations say in luminosity for one thing. And a $2000 projector is more likely in the hands of someone doing business presentations or someone with money to throw around and wants a home theater to impress their friends. (ask them if they'll let you use it for a show down the street--- NO IT'S MINE!). I shoplifted my projector and early on lent it to subhuman intelligences who of course wouldn't drive it back over to my place and in a year they burned out the lamp playing video games. Never got to use it myself really, I needed it because it had better synchronization than a monitor for the animation I was doing (that I AM doing when I have the video peripheral to correctly see what I draw). Any light show needs people to execute it, and I find that righteously commendable no matter what. If I can be motivated (I need a girlfriend with the free time to push me around! This is key I think and I'm working on it.) I can do safe indoor pyrotechnical awesomeness using materials emptied from fireworks and my neon sign transformer, and various lenses and reflectors. And other things, but that's just an example of something cool looking that diverges from your "average" amalgamted video projector setup. The solar fire lightshow was KILLER at Strange Daze 99 or 2000 in Ohio, which ever one I was at. The one where the punk rockers were dancing to Nik's solo rendition of "in the mood". Rock on. If I win the 7Up first ordinary human in space contest... you don't even want to know what I'm gonna do. I'll have to find my lost human counterpart to win though. Then rendezvous with the others once in orbit. > that's the spacerock action there :) Spacey noodly intros that set a > contemplative mood and then explode into frenzies of consciousness- > obliterating, rocket-powered blanga. > > Good :) > > Top notch lights! All there were were some random projections onto a > screen at the back and a combo of one strobe/one multi-beam-coloured- > flower-thing stationed on the stage in front of and below the bass > drum. Oh, and a smoke machine. So, basically, a hell of a lot of > the time there was just this wash of white or coloured light with > random beams shooting past your ears while a wall of blanga swept > over you. > > Good :) > > Excellent bass playing, despite it not being a Rick ;) Sometimes I > thought there could be more wah on the guitar, but sometimes I > thought it was perfect -- which means that in reality the amount of > wah deployed must have been pretty excessive :) Drumming was fast > and tight and the dual-swoosh dudes on the wings filled in all the > spaces they should. Only hiccup sound wise really was the vocals > were pretty indistinct (stage announcements could have been in > Venusian for all I knew), but if the worst thing one can find to say > is that the live vocals in a small venue were kinda incomprensible -- > well, what do you expect? > > They took a bit to warm up, I thought, but once they were going, they > were really going. There were definitely a few moments where you > thought, "Damn, that's cool! I wish I was doing that!", and what > more's to ask? > > Ah, I would also note that their CD sounds better on my stereo than > on Jon's :) But then I think most CDs sound better on my stereo than > they do anywhere else, mostly by virtue of location :) > > Hope to see Litmus again! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 3 16:51:57 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:51:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not to mention the right stuff to project, that's obviously a critical variable in the situation! I don't know too much about exactly how people are running the projector and what software but anyone can figure out a few ways to have a skilled operator synchronizing loop sequences with the music, doing it live of course. How was lights at the hawkwind reunion in England a few years back ? I wish I knew about the kind of things liquid Len did. Someone told me the Butthole Surfers had a brilliant light show (???). On 7/3/05, Drill wrote: > On 7/1/05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > That was excellent :) A few quick notes before I embark on the > > highly rock'n'roll activity of going on holiday with my mother-in- > > law .... ;) > > > > A lineup of guitar/bass/drums/ and 2 electronic noise makers -- > > I've got some vacuum tube oscillators, once with some added circuitry > I made I tried to contribute to a performance of Sonic attack at a > show where my friends band opened for Wesley Willis! They would NOT > have it though, bourgeouis conservative spacerock posers that lot. The > band was Automind, named after a cartoon character I use in animation, > named of course after the Automind that sets landing coordinates on th > eplanet Medusa. Sigh. It's prety hard not to have a neat light show > with a few video projectors, digital projectors almost ubiquitous > nowadays along with $15 strobe lights but you can do so much more than > that, this equipment has some obvious limitations say in luminosity > for one thing. And a $2000 projector is more likely in the hands of > someone doing business presentations or someone with money to throw > around and wants a home theater to impress their friends. (ask them if > they'll let you use it for a show down the street--- NO IT'S MINE!). I > shoplifted my projector and early on lent it to subhuman intelligences > who of course wouldn't drive it back over to my place and in a year > they burned out the lamp playing video games. Never got to use it > myself really, I needed it because it had better synchronization than > a monitor for the animation I was doing (that I AM doing when I have > the video peripheral to correctly see what I draw). > > Any light show needs people to execute it, and I find that righteously > commendable no matter what. If I can be motivated (I need a girlfriend > with the free time to push me around! This is key I think and I'm > working on it.) I can do safe indoor pyrotechnical awesomeness using > materials emptied from fireworks and my neon sign transformer, and > various lenses and reflectors. And other things, but that's just an > example of something cool looking that diverges from your "average" > amalgamted video projector setup. The solar fire lightshow was KILLER > at Strange Daze 99 or 2000 in Ohio, which ever one I was at. The one > where the punk rockers were dancing to Nik's solo rendition of "in the > mood". Rock on. If I win the 7Up first ordinary human in space > contest... you don't even want to know what I'm gonna do. I'll have to > find my lost human counterpart to win though. Then rendezvous with the > others once in orbit. > > > that's the spacerock action there :) Spacey noodly intros that set a > > contemplative mood and then explode into frenzies of consciousness- > > obliterating, rocket-powered blanga. > > > > Good :) > > > > Top notch lights! All there were were some random projections onto a > > screen at the back and a combo of one strobe/one multi-beam-coloured- > > flower-thing stationed on the stage in front of and below the bass > > drum. Oh, and a smoke machine. So, basically, a hell of a lot of > > the time there was just this wash of white or coloured light with > > random beams shooting past your ears while a wall of blanga swept > > over you. > > > > Good :) > > > > Excellent bass playing, despite it not being a Rick ;) Sometimes I > > thought there could be more wah on the guitar, but sometimes I > > thought it was perfect -- which means that in reality the amount of > > wah deployed must have been pretty excessive :) Drumming was fast > > and tight and the dual-swoosh dudes on the wings filled in all the > > spaces they should. Only hiccup sound wise really was the vocals > > were pretty indistinct (stage announcements could have been in > > Venusian for all I knew), but if the worst thing one can find to say > > is that the live vocals in a small venue were kinda incomprensible -- > > well, what do you expect? > > > > They took a bit to warm up, I thought, but once they were going, they > > were really going. There were definitely a few moments where you > > thought, "Damn, that's cool! I wish I was doing that!", and what > > more's to ask? > > > > Ah, I would also note that their CD sounds better on my stereo than > > on Jon's :) But then I think most CDs sound better on my stereo than > > they do anywhere else, mostly by virtue of location :) > > > > Hope to see Litmus again! > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > -- > Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program > > - Kill All Humans > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 3 16:56:23 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:56:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/3/05, Drill wrote: > On 7/1/05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > That was excellent :) A few quick notes before I embark on the > > highly rock'n'roll activity of going on holiday with my mother-in- > > law .... ;) > > > > A lineup of guitar/bass/drums/ and 2 electronic noise makers -- > > I've got some vacuum tube oscillators, once with some added circuitry > I made I tried to contribute to a performance of Sonic attack at a > show where my friends band opened for Wesley Willis! They would NOT > have it though, Meaning they were I think just suspicious so they turned my volume way down and scrapped sonic attack altogether because no one else had it memorized and they didn't want me to have a microphone. They used my tape recorder to record their set too, what drekkish fools huh? Bah! Going to see fireworks now. They're visible around the hill that St Elizabeth's hospital is on in Brighton MA. Where's Chris and Mary Bruce? The Chronicle of the Black Sword lists an address in Cambridge, they might see it. Reportedly they have $500 worth of fireworks down there so we'll see! bourgeouis conservative spacerock posers that lot. The > band was Automind, named after a cartoon character I use in animation, > named of course after the Automind that sets landing coordinates on th > eplanet Medusa. Sigh. It's prety hard not to have a neat light show > with a few video projectors, digital projectors almost ubiquitous > nowadays along with $15 strobe lights but you can do so much more than > that, this equipment has some obvious limitations say in luminosity > for one thing. And a $2000 projector is more likely in the hands of > someone doing business presentations or someone with money to throw > around and wants a home theater to impress their friends. (ask them if > they'll let you use it for a show down the street--- NO IT'S MINE!). I > shoplifted my projector and early on lent it to subhuman intelligences > who of course wouldn't drive it back over to my place and in a year > they burned out the lamp playing video games. Never got to use it > myself really, I needed it because it had better synchronization than > a monitor for the animation I was doing (that I AM doing when I have > the video peripheral to correctly see what I draw). > > Any light show needs people to execute it, and I find that righteously > commendable no matter what. If I can be motivated (I need a girlfriend > with the free time to push me around! This is key I think and I'm > working on it.) I can do safe indoor pyrotechnical awesomeness using > materials emptied from fireworks and my neon sign transformer, and > various lenses and reflectors. And other things, but that's just an > example of something cool looking that diverges from your "average" > amalgamted video projector setup. The solar fire lightshow was KILLER > at Strange Daze 99 or 2000 in Ohio, which ever one I was at. The one > where the punk rockers were dancing to Nik's solo rendition of "in the > mood". Rock on. If I win the 7Up first ordinary human in space > contest... you don't even want to know what I'm gonna do. I'll have to > find my lost human counterpart to win though. Then rendezvous with the > others once in orbit. > > > that's the spacerock action there :) Spacey noodly intros that set a > > contemplative mood and then explode into frenzies of consciousness- > > obliterating, rocket-powered blanga. > > > > Good :) > > > > Top notch lights! All there were were some random projections onto a > > screen at the back and a combo of one strobe/one multi-beam-coloured- > > flower-thing stationed on the stage in front of and below the bass > > drum. Oh, and a smoke machine. So, basically, a hell of a lot of > > the time there was just this wash of white or coloured light with > > random beams shooting past your ears while a wall of blanga swept > > over you. > > > > Good :) > > > > Excellent bass playing, despite it not being a Rick ;) Sometimes I > > thought there could be more wah on the guitar, but sometimes I > > thought it was perfect -- which means that in reality the amount of > > wah deployed must have been pretty excessive :) Drumming was fast > > and tight and the dual-swoosh dudes on the wings filled in all the > > spaces they should. Only hiccup sound wise really was the vocals > > were pretty indistinct (stage announcements could have been in > > Venusian for all I knew), but if the worst thing one can find to say > > is that the live vocals in a small venue were kinda incomprensible -- > > well, what do you expect? > > > > They took a bit to warm up, I thought, but once they were going, they > > were really going. There were definitely a few moments where you > > thought, "Damn, that's cool! I wish I was doing that!", and what > > more's to ask? > > > > Ah, I would also note that their CD sounds better on my stereo than > > on Jon's :) But then I think most CDs sound better on my stereo than > > they do anywhere else, mostly by virtue of location :) > > > > Hope to see Litmus again! > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > -- > > Carl Edlund Anderson > > http://www.carlaz.com/ > > > > > -- > Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program > > - Kill All Humans > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jul 4 14:23:11 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:23:11 +0100 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >On 6/30/05, Rich wrote: > >> PKD actually saw a screening of the full movie (without the voiceover > >> crap) not just a few scenes. And reportedly did like what he saw. I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since then I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've always wondered if that was a loss or not. On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, Jonathan ObCD: Gorilla - _Gorilla_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jul 4 14:28:00 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:28:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 01 Jul 2005, at 10:38, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > "Tracklist: Intro/ ?The Projection/ Destroy the Mothership/ The > > Tempest/ You Are Here/ Sonic Light/ Under the Sign/ Infinity Drive/ > > Twinstar. > > Which was the one that dropped into a slower, really quite heavy riff > just before (what I assume was) its end? Towards the second half, I > think .... "Under the Sign", possibly? That made an fun addition to > the regular dish of 170bpm blanga with a side-helping of chilled > synth-wash. That would be `Under the Sign', yep. It's looking likely to be the highlight of the next album, closely followed by `Destroy the Mothership' in my sometimes-humble opinion. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 4 14:41:18 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:41:18 -0400 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: >>>On 6/30/05, Rich wrote: >>> >>> >>>>PKD actually saw a screening of the full movie (without the voiceover >>>>crap) not just a few scenes. And reportedly did like what he saw. >>>> >>>> > > I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about >become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since then >I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody >seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on >video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as >well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've >always wondered if that was a loss or not. > > I saw the Director's cut fairly recently, and it has a soundtrack. It's atmospheric, unlike the jarring soundtracks of many modern films, so it might be easy to think one was not present. :-) > On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the >Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, > > > Don't BOC play the end titles music? Cheers, Paul. PS: Having seen the film as it was originally theatrically release, I have to say I much prefer the Director's Cut without the patronising/editorialising voiceover and Brazil-style Hollywood Happy Ending. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Jul 4 15:34:48 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:34:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations June 2005 Issue is Online NOW!!! Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com THE JUNE 2005 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS IS ONLINE NOW The June 2005 issue (#31) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock, Electronic music, Progressive Rock and more. See the index of this issue's contents below. 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You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue31/issue31.html http://Aural-Innovations.com From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 4 15:39:10 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:39:10 -0400 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: <42C982CE.2080205@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: Official soundtrack by "Vangelis"; some Italian synth composer. So did BOC actually do a cover of the theme song or play back a recording at their concerts? Hollywood was too stupid to use Godzilla for Godzilla2k or whatever that movie was. I would have seen it if they did so maybe it's a good thing. On 7/4/05, Paul Mather wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > >>>On 6/30/05, Rich wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>PKD actually saw a screening of the full movie (without the voiceover > >>>>crap) not just a few scenes. And reportedly did like what he saw. > >>>> > >>>> > > > > I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about > >become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since then > >I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody > >seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on > >video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as > >well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've > >always wondered if that was a loss or not. > > > > > > I saw the Director's cut fairly recently, and it has a soundtrack. It's > atmospheric, unlike the jarring soundtracks of many modern films, so it > might be easy to think one was not present. :-) > > > On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the > >Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, > > > > > > > > Don't BOC play the end titles music? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Having seen the film as it was originally theatrically release, I > have to say I much prefer the Director's Cut without the > patronising/editorialising voiceover and Brazil-style Hollywood Happy > Ending. > > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jul 4 16:24:06 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:24:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can't really add a lot more, suffice to say that despite Martin's failing voice and falling cymbal stands on Simon's head this was a fine show. Shame about the poor turnout, there must be plenty more spacerock fans in the Cambridge area - where were you all? Nick > > "Litmus, playing to a tiny crowd, took a while to > warm up, and sounded vocally shot, with the keyboard (actual > keyboard, rather than synth, sequencers, theremins, etc.) > parts again lost in the otherwise good mix. Intense lights in > this small venue, and very loud; smoke machines the final > ingredient in a cauldron of high-energy audio alteration. By > the time they finished, playing like demons and impossible to > stay still to; just a pity it wasn't like that from the get-go. > > "Tracklist: Intro/ ?The Projection/ Destroy the > Mothership/ The Tempest/ You Are Here/ Sonic Light/ Under the > Sign/ Infinity Drive/ Twinstar. No encore. `Projection', if > that's its name, is new and seemingly not quite finished, but > has a good core; `Mothership' stood out for its usual > intensity and attack; `Tempest' was lots shorter than usual > and is still looking for a direction unfortunately. Not a > happily- completed song this one. Electric version of `You > Are Here' new to me, a free break after the verse which > really signalled the beginning of the performance. After > that, no looking back. Top band. Nice to see them good as I > always hope they'll be." > > Yours all, From asg at MVDBASE.COM Mon Jul 4 16:47:54 2005 From: asg at MVDBASE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:47:54 +0200 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Official soundtrack by "Vangelis"; some Italian synth composer. He's Greek, not Italian (his full name is Vangelis Papathanassiou). His most famous movie soundtrack (aside from "Blade Runner") is probably the one he did for "Chariots of fire". He also released plenty of solo albums, all instrumental, and several duo albums with Yes' Jon Anderson on vocals (as Jon & Vangelis) which include the famous song "The friends of Mr. Cairo", an amazing piece. On a side note, Vangelis began his career in a progressive rock band called Aphrodite's Child who released the now hard-to-find concept album "666" in 1972. The singer was Demis Roussos, who later became a popular pop singer in some parts of Europe (including France, big star here in the 70's and 80's). Alex. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://www.alexsgarcia.com/ Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jul 4 17:35:13 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:35:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Luckily, Simon's head is remarkably solid. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Lee" To: Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: Litmus Gig > Can't really add a lot more, suffice to say that despite Martin's > failing voice and falling cymbal stands on Simon's head this was a fine > show. Shame about the poor turnout, there must be plenty more spacerock > fans in the Cambridge area - where were you all? > > Nick > > > > > > "Litmus, playing to a tiny crowd, took a while to > > warm up, and sounded vocally shot, with the keyboard (actual > > keyboard, rather than synth, sequencers, theremins, etc.) > > parts again lost in the otherwise good mix. Intense lights in > > this small venue, and very loud; smoke machines the final > > ingredient in a cauldron of high-energy audio alteration. By > > the time they finished, playing like demons and impossible to > > stay still to; just a pity it wasn't like that from the get-go. > > > > "Tracklist: Intro/ ?The Projection/ Destroy the > > Mothership/ The Tempest/ You Are Here/ Sonic Light/ Under the > > Sign/ Infinity Drive/ Twinstar. No encore. `Projection', if > > that's its name, is new and seemingly not quite finished, but > > has a good core; `Mothership' stood out for its usual > > intensity and attack; `Tempest' was lots shorter than usual > > and is still looking for a direction unfortunately. Not a > > happily- completed song this one. Electric version of `You > > Are Here' new to me, a free break after the verse which > > really signalled the beginning of the performance. After > > that, no looking back. Top band. Nice to see them good as I > > always hope they'll be." > > > > Yours all, > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 4 17:47:17 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:47:17 -0400 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 15:39 -0400, Drill wrote: > So did > BOC actually do a cover of the theme song or play back a recording at > their concerts? They play the soundtrack track over the PA. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 5 05:19:36 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:19:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <001101c580e0$453a3780$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On 04/07/2005 22:35, Colin J Allen wrote: > Luckily, Simon's head is remarkably solid. I think it should be part of the act -- very Keith Moon ;) You could put a bungee cord on the cymbal stand, and then it would self-right :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 5 05:22:39 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:22:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <000401c580d6$546c0850$9d5e0252@nickhome> Message-ID: On 04/07/2005 21:24, Nick Lee wrote: > Shame about the poor turnout, there must be plenty more spacerock > fans in the Cambridge area - where were you all? Getting people to turn out for live music in the UK is tough -- and extra tough in Cambridge, not least on a Thursday :/ But hey, I was there! And that was having to negotiate the right to sneak out to see rock music on the same night that my mother-in-law arrived from South America! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 5 12:43:52 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:43:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Looks familiar ... Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/uk_battersea_power_station/html/6.stm :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 6 05:18:08 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:18:08 +0100 Subject: Philip Dick Message-ID: My favourite Aphrodite's Child song has to be The Four Horsemen. A work of genius. > On a side note, Vangelis began his career in a progressive rock band called > Aphrodite's Child who released the now hard-to-find concept album "666" in > 1972. The singer was Demis Roussos, who later became a popular pop singer in > some parts of Europe (including France, big star here in the 70's and 80's). From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jul 6 10:18:15 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:18:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Looks familiar ... In-Reply-To: <42CAB8C8.1010505@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/uk_battersea_power_station/html/6.stm That really is quite bizarre some of the kit and junk that's still there. It's like the place was abandoned in an attack or disaster, not officially closed. Some of those images need to be hoovered off the BBC site and used for album artwork in later years when they've all been cleaned out in the cause of Battersea's gentrification (pah!). Those that haven't already been, I mean... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Jul 6 16:37:58 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:37:58 +0100 Subject: DFtR cover Message-ID: Well - got a copy today - interesting to note that writing is credited to Jerry Roesser (well, I think it is) .......Charles the Grinning Boy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chas" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: DFtR cover > A while ago there was mention of a cover of DFtR on the TV show Six Feet > Under, noone seemed to know who it was by (or I missed it). There is no > mention of it on the FAQ though. In last weeks New Musical Express (NME) > there was a review of Six Feet Under soundtrack Vol 2 (on Virgin) - the > version is by Caesars (they who had a hit recently with a re-release of > their track Jerk It Out, used I think, on a Peugeot advert) NME described it > thus: "Caesars who, with crushingly inevitability, do the death-tastic > perenial '(Don't Fear) The Reaper'. > > .......Charles the Grinning Boy. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Jul 6 17:36:17 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:36:17 -0400 Subject: BOC:Encore Collection Message-ID: Saw the _Encore Collection_ cd in a store the other day. As usual (for the series), it states 'recorded live'. Anyone have a clue as to when and/or where the recordings were made?? tim 8>)... From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Jul 7 03:02:53 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:02:53 +0100 Subject: Encore Collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If memory serves, I think this is an edited version of Chicago Pier 2002, also on the "A Long Day's Night" CD. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 06 July 2005 22:36 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: BOC:Encore Collection Saw the _Encore Collection_ cd in a store the other day. As usual (for the series), it states 'recorded live'. Anyone have a clue as to when and/or where the recordings were made?? tim 8>)... From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jul 7 08:15:32 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:15:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: explosions Message-ID: Just in case, I hope all of our London members are ok? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jul 7 15:04:28 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:04:28 +0100 Subject: explosions Message-ID: Ok here thanks Arin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: OFF: explosions > Just in case, I hope all of our London members are ok? > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Jul 7 19:04:08 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:04:08 -0400 Subject: Encore Collection Message-ID: thanx Tony tim 8>)... Tony wrote: > > If memory serves, I think this is an edited version of Chicago Pier 2002, > also on the "A Long Day's Night" CD. > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Tim > Sent: 06 July 2005 22:36 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: BOC:Encore Collection > > Saw the _Encore Collection_ cd in a store the other day. As usual (for the > series), it > states 'recorded live'. Anyone have a clue as to when and/or where the > recordings were made?? > tim 8>)... From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 8 22:02:13 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:02:13 -0400 Subject: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: <1120513637.58708.11.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: I'll use this knowledge for the hawkwind trivial pursuit version when it is released in the year 2084. Aye Aye Aye kill us all. On 7/4/05, Paul Mather wrote: > On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 15:39 -0400, Drill wrote: > > So did > > BOC actually do a cover of the theme song or play back a recording at > > their concerts? > > They play the soundtrack track over the PA. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Jul 9 15:02:39 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:02:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review Message-ID: Since this has been a slow news decade for BOC, I figured any mention would be worth posting. The band's name was inevitably invoked in a review for the upcoming movie "The Reaper," from the director of "I Know What You Did Last Summer." BOC part of review below. Whole review here: http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=20673 > Being a test screening, of course, what I saw was an early edit - half the movie could conceivably be different by the time it goes into wide release. Additionally, the music which I heard in the film was no doubt far from final (and no - I did NOT hear the Blue Oyster Cult classic "[Don't Fear] the Reaper," unfortunately. With any luck, it WILL be included later, especially after those guys effectively got screwed out of royalties when the 1998 American version for whatever reason passed on use of their song "Godzilla." But I digress... ) Brian P.S. Does anyone think there will ever be another BOC studio album? From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat Jul 9 15:36:48 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:36:48 +0100 Subject: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <200507091902.j69J2dnJ028891@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <> Well they are supposed to be signed on a three album deal - Heaven Forbid and COTHM being two. If ALDN counts as the third then who knows, maybe not. Fans at shows for the last couple of years have asked Buck and Eric whether any new album was forthcoming and their responses were always somewhat ambiguous. Who knows. After all, we waited eight years for releases between Imaginos and Heaven Forbid. (I don't count "Bad Channels" as a proper album even though it contains the excellent "Demon's Kiss"). During the 90s and long before Heaven Forbid was released in 1997 they were constantly playing "new" tracks - See You In Black, Harvest Moon, Power Underneath Despair, Still Burnin', etc and Bloom would roll out the "new album released later this year" line at almost every gig! By comparison, they haven't played a new song since COTHM was released and have even stopped playing the new songs from that one - Pocket, Dance on Stilts, etc. Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed that they rediscover their muse and record another album. From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 10 01:53:42 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:53:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <200507091902.j69J2dnJ028891@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: If they pay me to draw the cover art, or use something I can find, maybe a kandinsky geometric abstraction. What the hell was with that last album I saw, with the pseudo fake horror movie poster or something. On 7/9/05, blackblade at bhalligan.com wrote: > Since this has been a slow news decade for BOC, I figured any mention would be worth posting. > > The band's name was inevitably invoked in a review for the upcoming movie "The Reaper," from the director of "I Know What You Did Last Summer." > > BOC part of review below. Whole review here: http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=20673 > > > Being a test screening, of course, what I saw was an early edit - half the movie could conceivably be different by the time it goes into wide release. Additionally, the music which I heard in the film was no doubt far from final (and no - I did NOT hear the Blue Oyster Cult classic "[Don't Fear] the Reaper," unfortunately. With any luck, it WILL be included later, especially after those guys effectively got screwed out of royalties when the 1998 American version for whatever reason passed on use of their song "Godzilla." But I digress... ) > > Brian > > P.S. Does anyone think there will ever be another BOC studio album? > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 10 01:57:27 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And a million people will record a studio album for free if they can pull a name theft out of their death contract. One of my housemates will, he's even got high q equipment for it and access to a studio, if the basement of our conapt isn't good enough. On 7/10/05, Drill wrote: > If they pay me to draw the cover art, or use something I can find, > maybe a kandinsky geometric abstraction. What the hell was with that > last album I saw, with the pseudo fake horror movie poster or > something. > > On 7/9/05, blackblade at bhalligan.com wrote: > > Since this has been a slow news decade for BOC, I figured any mention would be worth posting. > > > > The band's name was inevitably invoked in a review for the upcoming movie "The Reaper," from the director of "I Know What You Did Last Summer." > > > > BOC part of review below. Whole review here: http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=20673 > > > > > Being a test screening, of course, what I saw was an early edit - half the movie could conceivably be different by the time it goes into wide release. Additionally, the music which I heard in the film was no doubt far from final (and no - I did NOT hear the Blue Oyster Cult classic "[Don't Fear] the Reaper," unfortunately. With any luck, it WILL be included later, especially after those guys effectively got screwed out of royalties when the 1998 American version for whatever reason passed on use of their song "Godzilla." But I digress... ) > > > > Brian > > > > P.S. Does anyone think there will ever be another BOC studio album? > > > > > -- > Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program > > - Kill All Humans > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 10 01:59:25 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:59:25 -0400 Subject: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <000901c584bd$8c5281f0$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: They should do something crazy ust to get their name out like team up with hip hop artists in Lowell. I can shoot lightning from my hands. On 7/9/05, Tony wrote: > <> > > Well they are supposed to be signed on a three album deal - Heaven Forbid > and COTHM being two. If ALDN counts as the third then who knows, maybe not. > Fans at shows for the last couple of years have asked Buck and Eric whether > any new album was forthcoming and their responses were always somewhat > ambiguous. Who knows. After all, we waited eight years for releases > between Imaginos and Heaven Forbid. (I don't count "Bad Channels" as a > proper album even though it contains the excellent "Demon's Kiss"). > > During the 90s and long before Heaven Forbid was released in 1997 they were > constantly playing "new" tracks - See You In Black, Harvest Moon, Power > Underneath Despair, Still Burnin', etc and Bloom would roll out the "new > album released later this year" line at almost every gig! By comparison, > they haven't played a new song since COTHM was released and have even > stopped playing the new songs from that one - Pocket, Dance on Stilts, etc. > > Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed that they rediscover their muse and > record another album. > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jul 10 06:11:30 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:11:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock, Alchemical & Electronic Shows + New Mail Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com July 10, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS & MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #131), The Electronic Cottage (show #14), Alchemical Radio (show #92), and Tapegerm Radio (show #2). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock: I?ve got some new titles from the F?nfundvierzig label: Marble Sheep ? ?The Gate Of A Heavenly Body?, Damo Suzuki?s Network ? ?Hollyaris?, Kawabata Makoto ? ?Jellyfish Rising?, and Frank Gingeleit ? ?Lost In The Deep Blue?. I?ve got 2 more private releases from Frank Gingeleit .. ?Toy Island? and ?Megalopolis?. I also just received the new Blue Lily Commission ? ?Eastern Evening?. Blue Lily Commission is Stephen Palmer who was a founding member of Mooch and is the author of 5 sci fi novels. Finally, A couple months ago when I got in stock 3 early titles by The Rabbit?s Hat , listed them at a VERY nice price, and they were snapped up QUICK. If you wondered where they?d disappeared to head on over again because I just got some more. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #131) Marble Sheep - "Who Should Be Trusted?" (from The Gate of Heavenly Body) The Vernon Dent ? ?Benevolence? (from The Vernon Dent) Vocokesh ? ?Vocokesh Theme Song? (from Through The Smoke) Blue Lily Commission ? ?Perpetual Flute Commission? (from Eastern Evening) 3Speed Automatic - "Walk On The Sun" (from Villa Rocka) The Future Kings Of England ? ?10:66? (from The Future Kings Of England) Damo Suzuki?s Network ? ?Hot Tuna Express? (from Hollyaris) Greyscale ? ?Silicon and Steel? (from Cruel Machine) Green Milk From The Planet Orange ? ?Concrete City Breakdown? (from City Calls Revolution) The Electronic Cottage (show #14) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Radio Massacre International ? ?The Emissaries Reveal Themselves? (from Emissaries) The New Digital Sound ? ?1000 Yard Stare? (from The Depressed American Dream) The New Digital Sound ? ?You? (from The New Digital Sound) Thessalonians ? ?Drowning Weather? (from Solaristics) Matt Borghi ? ?August? (from Images) Arnold Mathes ? ?An Armed Sloth? (from The Unfolding) Music From The Future ? ?Epic Fun (Remix)? (from Digital Blasphemy) Phorum ? ?First Time We Entered The Temple? (from Casting The Runes) Alisa Corral's Neutron Star - "Dying Star" (from Alisa Corral's Neutron Star) Mental Anguish ? ?Mamas Crawdad Cornbread? (from Open Loops Vol. 1) Verde ? ?Kato Internet? (from Kato Internetist) Alchemical Radio (show #92) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Parallel Mind ? "Underwater Cities" Patrick Porter ? "Skylan MO" Paul Roland ? "Lucifer?s Servant" Pete C Wagner ? "Shithouse Wall" Paradox One ? "The End Of All Things" Plumerai - "Ether" The Slow Poisoners ? "The Creeping Ritual" Radium 88 ? "End Of Time" Rick Ray ? "In The Void" Robert Ziino ? "Dementia" Robin O? Brien ? "Window" Roll A Penny ? "Snug In A Blanket" Root Deco ? "Hole In The Sand" Ross Falzone ? "Quiet" Paul Bullock ? "Car Pool Mom" (Winner of the 2005 Global Marijuana Music Award for best poem) Sasquatch! ? "Hot Magus" Shane Flew ? "Sing Me My Song" Six Armed Man ? "Brief Introduction To High Density" Six Armed Man ? "Euphony" Smoke & Mirrors ? "Lotus Blossom" Aural Innovations Tapegerm Radio (show #2) Tapegerm was started in May 2000 by a few folks who were making mixes of loops taken from old cassette tape albums, homemade tracks, and loops of our own for a new project being run at http://homemademusic.com. After a few months a few of us thought it would be cool to start collaborating together by dropping our loops into a pool shared by everyone in the group and see what kind of music came out. Basically we're a bunch of artists who have fun combining sounds in different ways and hearing how other artists combine those sounds in other ways. Visit our web site at http://tapegerm.com NOTE: Tapegerm Radio is different from the other Aural Innovations Radio shows in that it was created by our friends at Tapgerm and comes to you in streaming mp3 format rather than RealAudio. hebephrenic - Air Jeff Davis and the Beauregards - A Toast To The Beauregards Mike McGary - Mind the Gap Virus Factory - Chaos Suture Omnitechnomatrix - Grasshopper DJ Get Yo Fat On - Dice Man Magical Cigarette - Kill The Kids Ed Drury - Deep Inside Insecta Sonic - Morpheus, Trinity & Me Arthur Loves Plastic - Heavy Petting x-tokyo-river-god - Devils live in Quiet Ponds Blind Mime Ensemble - Ellis Island Buzzsaw & The Shavings - Hipper's Jig or Music to Mutiny By Anti - Gravity Workshop - Halo Over The Mask Q-Cut - Good Day Sir International Garbageman - froopless (system) Heuristics Inc. - Nostalgia Torture Chamber OC Dee - FourTwentyOne David Fuglewicz - Runes Of Power Mental Anguish - Every Cat Needs It's Scratching Post CYSTEM - Farrago Esu Kurasu - KIMELYMI Renedo - Funk on Toast adllto - This is Boris Mango 69 - Discretion http://Aural-Innovations.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Jul 10 08:56:45 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:56:45 +0100 Subject: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <000901c584bd$8c5281f0$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On 09 Jul 2005, at 20:36, Tony wrote: > After all, we waited eight years for releases > between Imaginos and Heaven Forbid. (I don't count "Bad Channels" > as a > proper album even though it contains the excellent "Demon's Kiss"). Nor does _Imaginos_ really count as a genuine BOC album! Though I still really like it a lot, for all that :) I still think "I Am the One" is the greatest metal single of the 80s that never really happened. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 10 09:25:27 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:25:27 +0100 Subject: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <94A50C4C-66F7-449C-B483-51A33D4CFAA1@carlaz.com> Message-ID: "I Am The One" and "In The Presence" just rocked! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 10 July 2005 13:57 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mention in movie review On 09 Jul 2005, at 20:36, Tony wrote: > After all, we waited eight years for releases > between Imaginos and Heaven Forbid. (I don't count "Bad Channels" > as a > proper album even though it contains the excellent "Demon's Kiss"). Nor does _Imaginos_ really count as a genuine BOC album! Though I still really like it a lot, for all that :) I still think "I Am the One" is the greatest metal single of the 80s that never really happened. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sun Jul 10 10:04:03 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:04:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review Message-ID: Drill wrote: > They should do something crazy ust to get their name out like team up > with hip hop artists in Lowell. I can shoot lightning from my hands. I think they should try to get in on Ozzfest and play a set of their heaviest tunes, from Transmaniacon MC through See You in Black. BTW, Transmaniacon would make an excellent cover tune for any number of metal acts today. Can't you picture one of these guys screaming "We're pain! We're steel! A plot of knives! We're Transmaiacon..." [enter killer riff]. Question: Did BOC ever play with Sabbath when Ozzy was in the fold? Brian From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 10 12:27:35 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:27:35 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review In-Reply-To: <200507101404.j6AE4Ddn006384@mail9.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: They sure did, Brian! According to the wonderful Hot Rails to Hull (www.hotrails.co.uk) site, they played a number of gigs in 1972 with Ozzy/Sabbath on the US East Coast. How I wish sometimes that I could travel back in time and witness gigs like these. Here are the known dates. There may be others. 22 July 1972 Atlanta Municipal Auditorium Atlanta Georgia BOC, Black Sabbath 27 July 1972 Nassau Coliseum Uniondale, Long Island New York BOC, J. Geils Band, Black Sabbath 28 July 1972 Cole Field House (Univ of MD) College Park Maryland BOC, Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas 29 July 1972 Ritz Theatre New York City New York BOC, Black Sabbath 30 July 1972 Palace Concert Theater Providence Rhode Island BOC, Black Sabbath Tony From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 10 16:01:01 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! Sam From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 10 17:28:07 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:28:07 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! >From: Sam Kirwan >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 > >Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! > >Sam From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 10 17:43:13 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! > >>From: Sam Kirwan >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >> >>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >> >>Sam From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 10 17:39:08 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:39:08 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000501c58598$5f9942d0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Very innocent, it's just a biscuit. >From: Stephe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 > >Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie jobson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > >>Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! >> >>>From: Sam Kirwan >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >>> >>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >>> >>>Sam From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 10 17:42:08 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000501c58598$5f9942d0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Here's some brief info on the mighty Hobnob biscuit http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=14 and you lucky Americans can buy them here http://www.britishdelights.com/mcvities.htm but don't put be put off by this recent threat on the reputation and standing of the mighty Hobnob http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_objectid=15631646&method=full&sit eid=94762&headline=police-probe-hobnob-threat-name_page.html McVities, home of the mighty Hobnob http://www.unitedbiscuits.co.uk/80256C1A0047922E/vWeb/pcTSTT5EPGEC -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Sent: 10 July 2005 22:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! > >>From: Sam Kirwan >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >> >>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >> >>Sam From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 10 17:42:57 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:42:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a biscuit? JUST A BISCUIT? The mighty HOBNOB is more than a mere biscuit! It's an institution!! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of eddie jobson Sent: 10 July 2005 22:39 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear Very innocent, it's just a biscuit. >From: Stephe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 > >Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "eddie jobson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > >>Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! >> >>>From: Sam Kirwan >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >>> >>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >>> >>>Sam From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 10 18:10:25 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:10:25 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Hi, I'm sure it is, but here in the US, we don't have them. Biscuits are cookies, but we don't have Hobnobs. It sounds funny. Thanks for the reply. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddie jobson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > Very innocent, it's just a biscuit. > >>From: Stephe >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 >> >>Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "eddie jobson" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM >>Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear >> >> >>>Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! >>> >>>>From: Sam Kirwan >>>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >>>> >>>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >>>> >>>>Sam From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 10 18:13:11 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:13:11 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Hi Tony, Great links. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > Here's some brief info on the mighty Hobnob biscuit > http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=14 > > and you lucky Americans can buy them here > http://www.britishdelights.com/mcvities.htm > > but don't put be put off by this recent threat on the reputation and > standing of the mighty Hobnob > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_objectid=15631646&method=full&sit > eid=94762&headline=police-probe-hobnob-threat-name_page.html > > McVities, home of the mighty Hobnob > http://www.unitedbiscuits.co.uk/80256C1A0047922E/vWeb/pcTSTT5EPGEC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Stephe > Sent: 10 July 2005 22:43 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eddie jobson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > >> Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! >> >>>From: Sam Kirwan >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear >>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 >>> >>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in >>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! >>> >>>Sam From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Jul 10 20:48:23 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:48:23 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Actually you can buy Hobnobs at many Jewel/Osco Supermarkets in the USA. Many of the Jewel supermarkets have micro English/Irish import sections where you can buy Hobnobs and other delicacies like Heinz Baked Beans etc Rich W > Hi, I'm sure it is, but here in the US, we don't have them. Biscuits are > cookies, but we don't have Hobnobs. It sounds funny. Thanks for the reply. > Cheers Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eddie jobson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > > > Very innocent, it's just a biscuit. > > > >>From: Stephe > >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > >>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 > >> > >>Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "eddie jobson" > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM > >>Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > >> > >> > >>>Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! > >>> > >>>>From: Sam Kirwan > >>>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear > >>>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 > >>>> > >>>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in > >>>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! > >>>> > >>>>Sam From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 10 21:01:21 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:21 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear Message-ID: Hi Rich, Never heard of these shops. Many chains are local, not nationwide. Argh!!!! I want Hobnob's and I want them now. :-) Cheers Stephe Actually you can buy Hobnobs at many Jewel/Osco Supermarkets in the USA From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 11 00:30:11 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:30:11 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000401c58598$56423570$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 22:42 +0100, Tony wrote: > Just a biscuit? JUST A BISCUIT? The mighty HOBNOB is more than a mere > biscuit! It's an institution!! C'mon, you're killing me here! It's been years since I last had a Hobnob!! Have a heart, please... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 11 12:23:49 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:23:49 +0100 Subject: Arthur Brown Biography In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:28:43 +0100 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > No, not one of mine this time! (Turns attention away from space rock > to other music forms right now!), but my great friends at SAF > Publishing have a biography of Arthur Brown, written by journalist > Polly Marshall, about to arrive. Pre-order discount from > the > publishers (www.safpublishing.com) is ?3.00 off the RRP (order direct > and tell them 'em I sent you!). I know Arthur has a lot of fans round > these lists and being SAF it'll be a really well put together book. Any idea what's happening with this? They have my money and I have no book... Cheers Mike From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jul 11 16:59:00 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:59:00 +0100 Subject: Arthur Brown Biography Message-ID: I believe that there is a slight delay; I am seeing Arthur on Wednesday and will ask him then and let you know. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Brown Biography > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > No, not one of mine this time! (Turns attention away from space rock > > to other music forms right now!), but my great friends at SAF > > Publishing have a biography of Arthur Brown, written by journalist > > Polly Marshall, about to arrive. Pre-order discount from > the > > publishers (www.safpublishing.com) is ?3.00 off the RRP (order direct > > and tell them 'em I sent you!). I know Arthur has a lot of fans round > > these lists and being SAF it'll be a really well put together book. > > Any idea what's happening with this? They have my money and I have no > book... > > Cheers > > Mike > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jul 11 19:25:31 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:25:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:04:03 -0400, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: >BTW, Transmaniacon would make an excellent cover tune for any number of >metal acts today. Can't you picture one of these guys screaming "We're pain! >We're steel! A plot of knives! We're Transmaiacon..." [enter killer riff]. Radio Birdman did a pretty damn good version (only available on bootlegs), but, of course, they weren't exactly metal ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jloehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 11 22:05:38 2005 From: jloehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: B=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D6C?= videoes Message-ID: Anybody know where(or if)a Word could be dropped to the Right Ears about getting B?C videoes released on DVD? I've never seen any of their vids, and a DVD would be MY prefered way to see 'em. Cut out all the drek that is MTV (like they'd show 'em now, anyway!) Joe From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Jul 11 22:39:12 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:39:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All the recent discussion about the absence of BOC material, old and otherwise, made me wonder if they're still on Sanctuary Records. That they released a "best of" after the live cd/dvd makes me think that they're done there. J From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 12 06:43:47 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:43:47 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: What news? Message-ID: So, what news then from The Brain Surgeons' camp? How goes the new album's slow crawl towards the light of day (or at least the light of release)? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 12 06:57:41 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:57:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20050711222837.021b3308@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 12/07/2005 03:39, Jason Scruton wrote: > All the recent discussion about the absence of BOC material, old and > otherwise, made me wonder if they're still on Sanctuary Records. > That they released a "best of" after the live cd/dvd makes me think that > they're done there. If so, too bad! From what I can tell, Sanctuary seems to do a good job of putting out worthy releases from dinosaurish or semi-dinosaurish types: Geezer Butler, Bruce Dickinson, CoC, Neil Young, Skynyrd, Widespread Panic, Iommi/Hughes, Motorhead, Robert Plant, and oh, loads of bands .... :) 'Course, I can't say how label<->artist relations are, and of course many of Sanctuary's artists have put out more records in recent years than BOC .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jul 12 10:51:44 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:51:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mention in movie review Message-ID: I wrote: >>BTW, Transmaniacon would make an excellent cover tune for any number of >>metal acts today. Can't you picture one of these guys screaming "We're pain! >>We're steel! A plot of knives! We're Transmaiacon..." [enter killer riff]. Doug replied: >Radio Birdman did a pretty damn good version (only available on bootlegs), >but, of course, they weren't exactly metal ... I actually have a bootleg Radio Birdman LP with a live version of Career of Evil. It's called "Rock & Roll War: 1976-1978." Unfortunately, I've never seen the one with Transmaniacon MC on it. Brian P.S. Based on the list's discussion and enthusiastic support of Hobnobs, I bought the "plain" variety yesterday at my local Wegmans supermarket. Tasty! Though I don't think I can justify making them a staple at those import prices.... From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Jul 13 08:39:57 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:39:57 +0000 Subject: Gig Reminder: 7/17/05 with Stewkey (Nazz), Mike Burro (OEB ), Screaming Eels,etc Message-ID: Just a friendly reminder that this coming Sunday is the 'Highway To Healthcare Event'. See details below... Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band, The Screaming Eels will start at approximately 12PM. They'll also join Stewkey and Mike for a number or two at the end of their set..It should be a good time! For the second set,( approximately 1:30 PM ), Mike Burro of The One Eyed Bishops will be joined by Stewkey, singer from Philadelphia's legendary 60's psych-pop band The Nazz. see http://www.stewkey.com The webaddress for the entire event is: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org Remember the concerts and health fair portion of this event take place at the FINISH ( Deborah hospital, Browns Mills), not the STARTING point!! ( Burlington Center Mall ). Make sure you read the flyer carefully, and feel free to contact the staff using the links on the website. Additional questions may be directed to Pam Miller at Bluejazpam at aol.com For those of you who don't know about it yet, this is a charity motorcycle run which benefits Deborah Heart & Lung Center in Browns Mills, New Jersey. Deborah is an internationally known facility; as the hospital caters to patients who normally cannot afford or gain access to advanced pulminary/cardiac & respiratory health care. In addition the cycle run, there will be concerts on the hospital grounds ( also the finish point for the run ), free health screenings, refreshments and more!! This is a a great chance to see some live music, plus you can do a check on your own health as well. It's all FREE, EXCEPT there is a fee for those who plan to ride in the cycle rally.. See the information below for details! Remember the concerts take place at the FINISH not at the START point Here's a tentative schedule for the event. Start times could be slightly earlier than listed by 10-15 minutes 11:30AM The Patriotic voice of America (10 minutes) 12:00 PM The Screaming Eels ( Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band! ) (25 minutes) Announcements 12:30 PM The Screaming Eels (25 minutes) Announcements 1:00 PM Mike Burro solo ( of The One Eyed Bishops ) (25 minutes) Announcements 1:30 PM The One Eyed Bishops with Stewkey of The Nazz! (25 minutes) Announcements 2:00 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) announcements 2:30 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) Closing Announcements 3:30 These times are estimates and presented as a guide. One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Wed Jul 13 10:24:57 2005 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:24:57 +0800 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: <200507130900.j6D9021n018151@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Well, not sure if this CD was released elsewhere, but for UK folks there is a Sony / BMG Columbia release of "The Singles Collection", and just released in 2005, that must count as new. For anyone interested, here is the track list: 1. Cities on Flame with Rock N Roll 2. The Came the last Day of May 3. Te Red and the Black 4. Hot Rails to Hell 5. Flaming Telepaths 6. Born to be Wild 7. (Don't Fear) the Reaper 8. Sinful Love 9. Goin' through the Motions 10. Godzilla 11. We Gotta Get out of this Place 12. Mirrors 13. Moon Crazy 14. Fallen Angel 15. Burnin' For You 16. Take me Away 17. Shooting Shark 18. Dancin' in the Ruins 19. White Flags 20. Astronomy I've been meaning to try to figure out if any of these versions are the first time on CD or not. BTW, I think I remember someone asking a while ago on the list if the Buck Dharma Archive was worth getting. I'd definitely recommend. It did take me a while to part with the $100 to buy them all, would have been better if they were available separately. But well worth the money in my opinion. I mean basically there is very little in the way of BOC collectibles, when compared with Hawkwind! So the BD Archive is definitely a very welcome addition. Cheers, Ian. From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Jul 13 17:08:58 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:08:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20050713221234.03902138@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: And for a few bucks extra you get a t-shirt and a signed pic (I think!) I definitely get a Buck guitar pick too! Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Ian Jeffcock Sent: 13 July 2005 15:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: new anythings anymore? Well, not sure if this CD was released elsewhere, but for UK folks there is a Sony / BMG Columbia release of "The Singles Collection", and just released in 2005, that must count as new. For anyone interested, here is the track list: 1. Cities on Flame with Rock N Roll 2. The Came the last Day of May 3. Te Red and the Black 4. Hot Rails to Hell 5. Flaming Telepaths 6. Born to be Wild 7. (Don't Fear) the Reaper 8. Sinful Love 9. Goin' through the Motions 10. Godzilla 11. We Gotta Get out of this Place 12. Mirrors 13. Moon Crazy 14. Fallen Angel 15. Burnin' For You 16. Take me Away 17. Shooting Shark 18. Dancin' in the Ruins 19. White Flags 20. Astronomy I've been meaning to try to figure out if any of these versions are the first time on CD or not. BTW, I think I remember someone asking a while ago on the list if the Buck Dharma Archive was worth getting. I'd definitely recommend. It did take me a while to part with the $100 to buy them all, would have been better if they were available separately. But well worth the money in my opinion. I mean basically there is very little in the way of BOC collectibles, when compared with Hawkwind! So the BD Archive is definitely a very welcome addition. Cheers, Ian. From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 13 18:34:42 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:34:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: + ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ New mission orders....... please visit Mission Control for an important announcement in relation to a very special CD........ www.hawkwind.com + ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 13 18:43:45 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:43:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do I check my passport details are up to date? Eddie. >From: Rik Rx >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:34:42 -0400 > >+ ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ > >New mission orders....... > >please visit Mission Control for an important announcement >in relation to a very special CD........ > >www.hawkwind.com > >+ ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + From GutterCat at AOL.COM Wed Jul 13 18:49:23 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:49:23 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:36:11 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: New mission orders....... please visit Mission Control for an important announcement in relation to a very special CD........ www.hawkwind.com And where do we find this information? That link just takes us to the homepage stating that there are tour dates. Where do we find this information relating to the very special CD? Please be more precise. Steve. From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 13 18:58:07 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:58:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of eliminate themselves ! :-} aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} Rik On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:49:23 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:36:11 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: > >New mission orders....... > >please visit Mission Control for an important announcement >in relation to a very special CD........ > >www.hawkwind.com > > > >And where do we find this information? >That link just takes us to the homepage stating that there are tour dates. >Where do we find this information relating to the very special CD? >Please be more precise. > >Steve. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Wed Jul 13 19:00:03 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:03 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of eliminate themselves ! :-} aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} Sorry, but some of us are pressed for time and would prefer a direct link :-) From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jul 13 19:05:10 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:05:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <15.48a2353e.3006f473@aol.com> Message-ID: go to the home page, then the updates page. make sure you refresh the page and it's there. http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:36:11 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: > >New mission orders....... > >please visit Mission Control for an important announcement >in relation to a very special CD........ > >www.hawkwind.com > > > >And where do we find this information? >That link just takes us to the homepage stating that there are tour dates. >Where do we find this information relating to the very special CD? >Please be more precise. > >Steve. > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 13/07/2005 From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 13 19:08:47 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my ineptitude. On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:03 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: > >errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > >Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that >putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, >as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of >eliminate themselves ! :-} > >aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} > > > >Sorry, but some of us are pressed for time and would prefer a direct link :-) From GutterCat at AOL.COM Wed Jul 13 19:09:44 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:09:44 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 14/07/2005 00:09:01 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my ineptitude. Oh whatever. Had enough of this. Thanks From GutterCat at AOL.COM Wed Jul 13 19:14:50 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:14:50 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} Do you mean this? _http://www.hawkwind.com/up_!.htm#ether_ (http://www.hawkwind.com/up_!.htm#ether) No mention of passport holders! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jul 13 19:26:35 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:26:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Yeah man, Latest info. Can't help drooling!!! :-) Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG > writes: > > errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > > > > Do you mean this? > > _http://www.hawkwind.com/up_!.htm#ether_ > (http://www.hawkwind.com/up_!.htm#ether) > > No mention of passport holders! From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jul 13 19:32:48 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:32:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: :-) Do those who have accurate info need to send an email? I did anyways. (Pissing my pants in excitement). Woo Hoo, Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > > Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that > putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, > as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of > eliminate themselves ! :-} > > aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} > > Rik > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:49:23 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > >>In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:36:11 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG > writes: >> >>New mission orders....... >> >>please visit Mission Control for an important announcement >>in relation to a very special CD........ >> >>www.hawkwind.com >> >> >> >>And where do we find this information? >>That link just takes us to the homepage stating that there are tour >>dates. >>Where do we find this information relating to the very special CD? >>Please be more precise. >> >>Steve. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Wed Jul 13 23:19:10 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:19:10 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEJPQzogQsOWQyB2aWRlb2Vz?= Message-ID: Not long ago, VH1 Classic had a half-hour show where they played several of the old videos. There was a creepy "sexy underage schoolgirl" vibe to "Joan Crawford". . . long before Britney Spears tried it. Weird. --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Joe Loehr >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:38 > >Anybody know where(or if)a Word could be dropped to >the Right Ears about >getting B?C videoes released on DVD? > >I've never seen any of their vids, and a DVD would >be MY prefered way to >see 'em. Cut out all the drek that is MTV (like >they'd show 'em now, >anyway!) > >Joe From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Jul 14 04:28:16 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:28:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rik, Cheers for the heads up Rik Rx wrote on 7/13/2005, 11:34 PM: > + ++ + ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ > > New mission orders....... > > please visit Mission Control for an important announcement > in relation to a very special CD........ > > www.hawkwind.com > > + ++ + +MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jul 14 04:40:59 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:40:59 -0400 Subject: Arthur Brown Biography Message-ID: I saw Arthur yesterday and the situation on the book is as follows: The author has the proofs and a few final changes are being made before it goes to press. It should be available very soon. Regards, Colin From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jul 14 04:43:17 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:43:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Looks like the charm school failed to do their job properly:)). On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: >and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click >on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my ineptitude. > >On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:03 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > >>In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG >writes: >> >>errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} >> >>Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that >>putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, >>as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of >>eliminate themselves ! :-} >> >>aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} >> >> >> >>Sorry, but some of us are pressed for time and would prefer a direct >link :-) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jul 14 08:07:29 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: <42C982CE.2080205@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about > >become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since then > >I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody > >seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on > >video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as > >well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've > >always wondered if that was a loss or not. > > I saw the Director's cut fairly recently, and it has a soundtrack. It's > atmospheric, unlike the jarring soundtracks of many modern films, so it > might be easy to think one was not present. :-) I do remember incidental music, but didn't notce it being continuous enough to be a soundtrack as such. All semantics I guess :-) > > On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the > >Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, > > Don't BOC play the end titles music? I've not seen either for too long to be able to answer that :-( Yours, Jon ObCD: Radiohead - _OK Computer_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jul 14 08:30:41 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:30:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <000401c580d6$546c0850$9d5e0252@nickhome> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Nick Lee wrote: > Can't really add a lot more, suffice to say that despite Martin's > failing voice and falling cymbal stands on Simon's head this was a fine > show. Shame about the poor turnout, there must be plenty more spacerock > fans in the Cambridge area - where were you all? I'm really not sure there are. I know of one more who'd actually admit it, but who wasn't there, I don't know why, and a couple of people whose interests take in some of this sort of stuff, and also slackec off elsewhere despite my best attempts to persuade them. Pah. Cambridge suffers from musical apathy at the best of times but in this area of music there's not really that much difference between apathy and full participation. Of course, there's a bunch of crusties who'll always come out for the Ozrics and Nik, and possibly even the actual Hawks, but I have tried flyering these people for Bedouin and they won't leave their houses for anything they don't know already as far as I can tell. I don't know at what point they stopped looking for the new stuff... Yours, Jon ObCD: New York Gong - _About Time_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Thu Jul 14 11:13:49 2005 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:13:49 +0800 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <200507140900.j6E8UAjp020300@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Very glad I got my Hawkwind passport :-) From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Thu Jul 14 11:26:55 2005 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:26:55 +0800 Subject: HW: why was Roadhawks never released on CD? In-Reply-To: <200507140900.j6E8UAjp020300@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Been meaning to ask this on the list for a while: does anyone know why Roadhawks never made it out on CD? Roadhawks was the first Hawkwind album that I bought. Though I've got all the tracks elsewhere on CD probably many times over, I still prefer the running order and the way that tracks are segued together on Roadhawks. I mean, we have the UA Masters Of The Universe compilation on CD which in my opinion is not as good a compilation, also Stasis, so why no Roadhawks? Anyone got any idea? Surely there are tons of fans like me who'd jump at the chance to get this on CD! Cheers, Ian. From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jul 14 11:27:35 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27:35 +0000 Subject: Gig Reminder: 7/17/05 expecting as many as 1000 riders!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just wanted to mention that the local papers have been covering this event, and have reported that they are expecting as many as 1000 bikers...Come Join the ride!!!! www.lets-ride.com/event/ Deborah-Open-Motorcycle-Rally-and-Festival.Burlington-NJ.23685.htm >From: "Burro Mike" >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, >spacerock at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, >jawdiok at comcast.net, BeyondAwizard at yahoogroups.com, >BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, starrgazrr419 at yahoo.com, js3619 at acmenet.net >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: Gig Reminder: 7/17/05 with Stewkey (Nazz), Mike Burro (OEB ), >Screaming Eels,etc >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:39:57 +0000 > >Just a friendly reminder that this coming Sunday is the 'Highway To >Healthcare Event'. >See details below... > >Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band, The Screaming Eels will start at >approximately 12PM. They'll also join Stewkey and Mike for a number or two >at the end of their set..It should be a good time! > >For the second set,( approximately 1:30 PM ), Mike Burro of >The One Eyed Bishops will be joined by Stewkey, singer from Philadelphia's >legendary 60's >psych-pop band The Nazz. >see http://www.stewkey.com > >The webaddress for the entire event is: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org > >Remember the concerts and health fair portion of this event take place at >the FINISH ( Deborah hospital, Browns Mills), not the STARTING point!! ( >Burlington Center Mall ). >Make sure you read the flyer carefully, and feel free to contact the staff >using the links on the website. Additional questions may be directed to Pam >Miller at Bluejazpam at aol.com > >For those of you who don't know about it yet, this is a charity motorcycle >run which benefits Deborah Heart & Lung Center in Browns Mills, New Jersey. >Deborah is an internationally known facility; as the hospital caters to >patients who normally cannot afford or gain access to advanced >pulminary/cardiac & respiratory health care. In addition the cycle run, >there will be concerts on the hospital grounds ( also the finish point for >the run ), free health screenings, refreshments and more!! This is a a >great chance to see some live music, plus you can do a check on your own >health as well. It's all FREE, EXCEPT there is a fee for those who plan to >ride in the cycle rally.. See the information below for details! Remember >the concerts take place at the FINISH not at the START point > >Here's a tentative schedule for the event. >Start times could be slightly earlier than listed by 10-15 minutes > >11:30AM The Patriotic voice of America (10 minutes) >12:00 PM The Screaming Eels ( Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band! ) (25 >minutes) >Announcements >12:30 PM The Screaming Eels (25 minutes) >Announcements >1:00 PM Mike Burro solo ( of The One Eyed Bishops ) (25 minutes) >Announcements >1:30 PM The One Eyed Bishops with Stewkey of The Nazz! (25 minutes) >Announcements >2:00 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) >announcements >2:30 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) >Closing Announcements 3:30 > >These times are estimates and presented as a guide. > >One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 14 11:32:24 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:24 +0100 Subject: HW: why was Roadhawks never released on CD? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20050714231652.048401c8@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: Surely every track that was on Roadhawks has since been released on CD in one way or another? You could always "roll yer own" :) That aside, would it be EMI who would have the rights to the Roadhawks compilation? They may have reached the opinion that the market for HW compilations is a tad oversaturated these days :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Thu Jul 14 12:27:59 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:27:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Philip Dick Message-ID: I have the soundtrack album - it's pretty good in an ambient Bladerunner type of way. Oh and it's by Vangelis. .......Charles the Grinning Boy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Philip Dick > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about > > >become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since then > > >I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody > > >seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on > > >video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as > > >well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've > > >always wondered if that was a loss or not. > > > > I saw the Director's cut fairly recently, and it has a soundtrack. It's > > atmospheric, unlike the jarring soundtracks of many modern films, so it > > might be easy to think one was not present. :-) > > I do remember incidental music, but didn't notce it being > continuous enough to be a soundtrack as such. All semantics I guess :-) > > > > On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the > > >Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, > > > > Don't BOC play the end titles music? > > I've not seen either for too long to be able to answer that :-( > Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Radiohead - _OK Computer_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." > London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 14 12:30:19 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:30:19 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20BOC:=20B=D6C=20videoes?= Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2005 10:21:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM writes: Not long ago, VH1 Classic had a half-hour show where they played several of the old videos. Fine, but I don't have VH1 Classic on my cable. It might be on the digital, I've got regular basic. :( Also, how often do they play B?C vids anyway? Pay for the cable upgrade and still have to sit through other vids? Nah, I still vote for vids on DVD. Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 14 12:31:41 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:31:41 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/14/2005 3:43:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: Looks like the charm school failed to do their job properly:)). On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: >and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click >on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my ineptitude. Let's not start this pissing match on THIS list, shall we. Joe From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Jul 14 12:40:37 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:40:37 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: > errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > Amongst all I see that's new is a Greek TV show being made... a DVD being filmed at Bergen, Dec 2005 dates being arranged and a 2 CD live set from Hawkfest 2003. No mention of passport holders. Am I missing something? Steve. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jul 14 13:09:52 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:09:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Steve, Yes, you are missing something, I suspect that you need to refresh the page by holding down the shift key as you click on the refresh icon (in IE anyway - presuming already ...). The following text should be there ........ "NEW PROMO CD: A promotional cd that features several clips from the new album alongside interviews with band members is currently being mailed to all Hawkwind passport holders that we have postal addresses for. As soon as we have served the passport holders, any remaining copies will be sent to fans who supply their address details to this link {CD APPLICATION} First come, first served. " Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > > errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > > > > > > Amongst all I see that's new is a Greek TV show being made... a DVD being > filmed at Bergen, Dec 2005 dates being arranged and a 2 CD live set from > Hawkfest 2003. > No mention of passport holders. > Am I missing something? > > Steve. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 13/07/2005 > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 13/07/2005 From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jul 14 13:21:34 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:21:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: There must be something wrong with my browser as well as when you click on latest info page nothing comes up, only if you click refresh does it then appear. Sam. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... >> errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} >> > > > > Amongst all I see that's new is a Greek TV show being made... a DVD being > filmed at Bergen, Dec 2005 dates being arranged and a 2 CD live set from > Hawkfest 2003. > No mention of passport holders. > Am I missing something? > > Steve. > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 14 13:23:37 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:23:37 -0400 Subject: HW: why was Roadhawks never released on CD? Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:24 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >Surely every track that was on Roadhawks has since been released on CD >in one way or another? You could always "roll yer own" :) I've actually considered re-creating the Space Is Deep / Wind Of Change / Golden Void medley from that album by splicing the tracks together on the computer. It's very cool the way they made those work together. But yeah, given that all the tracks are on other CDs, I can certainly see why EMI would consider its release redundant. I wouldn't bother to shell out the cash for it if it was released. (Roadhawks was also one of the first three HW albums I bought, the others being Space Ritual and Live 79, all on the same day. I was very happy with that purchase!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Jul 14 13:25:31 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:25:31 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Many thanks Neil. I am on AOL and it still doesn't show. Even refreshing doesn't work. When I went in through IE it was there. I know others have had problems viewing pages on the official site at times when I could see them. Thanks again. Looking forward to this and the other releases. All the best, Steve. In a message dated 14/07/2005 18:10:46 GMT Standard Time, neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: Yes, you are missing something, I suspect that you need to refresh the page by holding down the shift key as you click on the refresh icon (in IE anyway - presuming already ...). The following text should be there ........ "NEW PROMO CD: A promotional cd that features several clips from the new album alongside interviews with band members is currently being mailed to all Hawkwind passport holders that we have postal addresses for. As soon as we have served the passport holders, any remaining copies will be sent to fans who supply their address details to this link {CD APPLICATION} First come, first served. " From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jul 14 18:26:10 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:26:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <000d01c58896$d97df630$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: POI: I don't have a passport and my email was returned from the address that was given for those wanting leftovers. --- Neil Toyne wrote: > Steve, > > Yes, you are missing something, I suspect that you > need to refresh the page by holding down the shift > key as you click on the refresh icon (in IE anyway - > presuming already ...). The following text should > be there ........ > > "NEW PROMO CD: A promotional cd that features > several clips from the new album alongside > interviews with band members is currently being > mailed to all Hawkwind passport holders that we have > postal addresses for. As soon as we have served the > passport holders, any remaining copies will be sent > to fans who supply their address details to this > link {CD APPLICATION} First come, first served. " > > Cheers, > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders > First.... > > > > > errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! > :-} > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst all I see that's new is a Greek TV show > being made... a DVD being > > filmed at Bergen, Dec 2005 dates being arranged > and a 2 CD live set from > > Hawkfest 2003. > > No mention of passport holders. > > Am I missing something? > > > > Steve. > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - > Release Date: 13/07/2005 > > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - > Release Date: 13/07/2005 > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 15 04:21:50 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:21:50 +0000 Subject: HW: why was Roadhawks never released on CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember Dave Brock praising that album (after condeming a lot of the others that had been re-released), as he said in an interview he slept on the floor in the studio in his sleeping bag to mix it! >From: Doug Pearson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: why was Roadhawks never released on CD? >Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:23:37 -0400 > >On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:24 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson >wrote: > > >Surely every track that was on Roadhawks has since been released on CD > >in one way or another? You could always "roll yer own" :) > >I've actually considered re-creating the Space Is Deep / Wind Of Change / >Golden Void medley from that album by splicing the tracks together on the >computer. It's very cool the way they made those work together. > >But yeah, given that all the tracks are on other CDs, I can certainly see >why EMI would consider its release redundant. I wouldn't bother to shell >out the cash for it if it was released. > >(Roadhawks was also one of the first three HW albums I bought, the others >being Space Ritual and Live 79, all on the same day. I was very happy with >that purchase!) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jul 15 04:26:24 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:26:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: No intention of doing so Joe; merely pointing out that abusing the customers is not a great idea (except in certain "establishments";) ). Colin On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:31:41 EDT, Joe Loehr wrote: >In a message dated 7/14/2005 3:43:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > >Looks like the charm school failed to do their job properly:)). > >On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > >>and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click >>on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my >ineptitude. > > > >Let's not start this pissing match on THIS list, shall we. > >Joe From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Jul 15 19:44:33 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:44:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Same problem here Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat describes Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Kirwan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > There must be something wrong with my browser as well as when you click on > latest info page nothing comes up, only if you click refresh does it then > appear. > > Sam. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > > > >> errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > >> > > > > > > > > Amongst all I see that's new is a Greek TV show being made... a DVD being > > filmed at Bergen, Dec 2005 dates being arranged and a 2 CD live set from > > Hawkfest 2003. > > No mention of passport holders. > > Am I missing something? > > > > Steve. > > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Fri Jul 15 19:55:06 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:55:06 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: Same problem here Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat describes Well thank you. So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't provide a direct link. 30 secomds indeed! There is a problem with this site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the first. Steve. From horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET Fri Jul 15 20:51:17 2005 From: horse at DARKSTAR.UK.NET (Horse) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:51:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <1ec.3f04c52a.3009a6da@aol.com> Message-ID: Try Firefox or Opera - much better than IE Horse On 15 Jul 2005 at 19:55, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, > mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > Same problem here > Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat > describes > > > Well thank you. > So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't provide a > direct link. 30 secomds indeed! > There is a problem with this site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the > first. > > Steve. From jm555 at NECRONOMI.COM Fri Jul 15 21:31:20 2005 From: jm555 at NECRONOMI.COM (Joseph) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:31:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20050713221234.03902138@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: Does anyone know what the band's policy on fan recordings is? The Grateful Deadheads have been swappping live fan tapes for years, and the band even encourages the practice. No one can bootleg their albums of course, but live amateur concert tapes are somethng else. Since BOC has always been a band on an endless tour (just like the Dead), a underground of collectors would help keep their fans fanatical. The Dead has been kaput for 10 years, but the fans still keep it going. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jul 16 06:15:16 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:15:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: new anythings anymore? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jul 2005, at 02:31, Joseph wrote: > Since BOC has always been a > band on an endless tour (just like the Dead), a underground of > collectors > would help keep their fans fanatical. The Dead has been kaput for 10 > years, but the fans still keep it going. Technically, "The Grateful Dead" have been kaput, but "The Dead" just toured last summer, as I recall ;) with the surviving core members and various friends and relations rounding things out. Audience members can record freely and trade their recordings, and the band sells soundboards which you're not allowed to trade (on the honor policy). Plenty of other US bands have just about exactly the same policy -- because it's an excellent promotional tool -- but I don't think BOC (or HW in the UK) are among them. On the other hand, bands for which this is popular usually shake up their set-lists every night and may play one way or another (thus the interest in catching a particular moment for posterity) which BOC (and HW) are less prone to do, so it might be harder to get people excited about collecting very similar shows from the tour .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Jul 16 07:59:48 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:59:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: There isn't a problem with the site it's likely still the browser, or maybe your isp is a little slow picking up changes made out there on the net. If the bulk of us see the message immediately, then it's not a site problem. Rich W > In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, > mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > Same problem here > Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat > describes > > > Well thank you. > So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't provide a > direct link. 30 secomds indeed! > There is a problem with this site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the > first. > > Steve. From brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK Sat Jul 16 08:43:21 2005 From: brian.coulthard at LYCOS.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:43:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <071620051159.20366.42D8F6B40001292500004F8E22070210530207089F04010B0C07039C010C@comcast.net> Message-ID: If this helps my work PC doesn't see the message running IE but my home one running Firefox does I'm sure Rick is an excellent Web master but customer service isn't his strong point. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rich Warren Sent: 16 July 2005 13:00 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... There isn't a problem with the site it's likely still the browser, or maybe your isp is a little slow picking up changes made out there on the net. If the bulk of us see the message immediately, then it's not a site problem. Rich W > In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, > mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > Same problem here > Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text > GutterCat describes > > > Well thank you. > So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't > provide a direct link. 30 secomds indeed! There is a problem with this > site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the first. > > Steve. From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jul 16 09:02:47 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:02:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: I don't think Rik meant you were an idiot!! ps, I still can't access the info, refreshed, closed browser, refreshed again, cleared cache, etc, but still no go. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, > mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > > Same problem here > Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat > describes > > > Well thank you. > So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't provide a > direct link. 30 secomds indeed! > There is a problem with this site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the > first. > > Steve. From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jul 16 09:04:16 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:04:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: You just cannot let it lie can you Colin!!!! ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > Looks like the charm school failed to do their job properly:)). > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > > >and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to click > >on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my > ineptitude. > > > >On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:03 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > > > >>In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG > >writes: > >> > >>errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > >> > >>Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that > >>putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, > >>as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of > >>eliminate themselves ! :-} > >> > >>aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} > >> > >> > >> > >>Sorry, but some of us are pressed for time and would prefer a direct > >link :-) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Jul 16 09:17:08 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Radio Shows & Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com July 17, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS & MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #132), Alchemical Radio (show #93), Lo Finest (show #2), and Drool Trough (show #33). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this week is the outstanding debut full length CD by British Space Rock/Psych/Prog band The Future Kings Of England. We've also got the just released (by Camera Obscura) solo CD by pop-psych master ?yvind Holm of the Dipsomaniacs. Some of these tracks sound like they would have fit quite comfortably on the Beatles "Rubber Soul" album. Finally, we've got the latest set of ass stomping rock n roll from The Atomic Bitchwax. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store NOTE: The Spacious Mind will be performing at the ProgDay Festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina over Labor Day weekend. For more information visit www.progday.com. The band are seeking performance opportunities before and after Labor Day. If you can help or offer suggestions, email the band directly at: info at countrymanrecords.com Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #132) Nog Cavanagh - "Scorpia Mossmoon" (from Everything Leads To Here) La Ira de Dios ? ?La Senal? (from Hacia el Sol Rojo) Rainer Neef ? ?Quarking Lightgnom II? (from Tango Day On Jupiter) The JFK Jr. Royal Airforce ? ?Unhinged? (from Androids) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment ? ?The Guiding Hand of Psyche? (from The Secret Power of the Third Eye) Mummies of the Insane ? ?Milkyway Milkshake? (from Mummies of the Insane) Floorian ? ?Siafu? (from Alive: No Token Need Volume 3) Alien Dream ? ?When Yin Met Yang? (from Lucid Dream) Instant Flight ? ?Flowers On My Grave? (from Colours & Lights) Sun Zoom Spark ? ?Long Day?s Journey Into Tonight? (from Saturn Return) The Spacious Mind ? track 4 (from Rotv?lta) The Carpet Knights ? ?Feel It? (from Lost And So Strange Is My Mind) Radiom?bel ? ?E-matt? (from Gudang Garam) Alchemical Radio (show #93) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Space Debris ? "Nuff & Nunner" Steve Tallis ? "Crow Magick" Strangers On A Train ? "Shine" Superczar ? "You & Me" Charles Rice Goff III ? "Svelte Attenuation" Symphony In Demeanor ? "Lonely Fool" Thaddeus Hogarth ? "If It Ain?t Slow" The Cosh ? "Show Business" Times 4 ? "Uncle Funker" Twisterbait ? "Let?s Go Shopping" 857 ? "Banned-Aid" Anticage ? "While" Arms Of Kismet ? "Pinnacle Of Same" Attila Jelinek ? "Discovery" Bob Pyle ? "Petunia The Pig" Lo Finest (show #2) Lo Finest is a program dedicated to the appreciation of homemade recordings that were made and distributed on cassette tapes during the 1980s and 90s, hosted by veteran home recording artist Charles Rice Goff III. Thousands of sonic artists were cranking out cassettes all over the world during the 80s and 90s. The whole cassette explosion took place long before people had home computers, the internet, email, mp3s, and all that. People found out about hometapers by reading various publications that offered reviews of tapes, by listening to those rare radio broadcasts that would feature home tapes, by sending a letter to a contact address that had been printed on one of the many compilation cassettes that were created and distributed during this period, etc. Most hometapers were not approaching their craft as a means to achieving economic success, and this allowed for some incredibly free thinking endeavors to be realized. Trading tapes was common, offering a sort of sonic cultural exchange that had never really been possible before the age of inexpensive home recording technology. Amy Denio ? ?Sax Sextet? (from No Elevators) C. Goff III show introduction Bene Gesserit ? ?Pussy Pussy? (from Hit The Road Cat) Histatic Charge ? ?Too Many Cats In The Kitchen? (from Why Do I Always Hafta Do The Dishes?) Quintet De L?art ? ?Medley? (from untitled tapes) 360 Sound ? ?Cold Start? (from Drowning In A Pool Of Our Own Ignorance) C. Goff III babble (backed by ?Pleasure? excerpt from Etat Des Stocks) Disism ? ?2 X 2? (from New Hippies Volume 14) Evolution Control Committee ? ?Mighty Hamburger? (from Gunderphonic) Evolution Control Committee ? ?The Acid Family? (from Gunderphonic) Buzzsaw ? ?The Paper Race? (excerpts from The Paper Race) C. Goff III babble (backed by another ?Pleasure? excerpt from Etat Des Stocks) Next Radio ? ?Even Adam? (from the Albigensian Sortie) Aioi Usui Tadashi ? ?A Birthmark On The Back Of The Right Hand? (from Lasered Eye) Onnyk ? ?Grossed Out? (from Insane Music For Insane People Volume 22) Frontline Assembly ? ?Thy Glory? (from Insane Music For Insane People Volume 25) C. Goff III babble (backed by yet another ?Pleasure? excerpt from Etat Des Stocks) Drool Trough (show #33) Neon ? ?Computer Fair? (from Sign Of The Time) Rainer Neef ? ?Space Robot Surf? (from Tango Day On Jupiter) Eric Terdjman ? ?Devil?s? (from Rebirth) Yesterday's Thoughts - "If I Had Some Marijuana" (from Let's Take A Ride With ) Lee Miller ? ?Eavesdropping? (from The Futility of Language) DJ Get Yo Fat On ? ?A L E N FRO (from Fat Country) The JFK Jr. Royal Airforce ? ? Positron? (from Androids) Mummies of the Insane ? ?Everything That?s True? (from Mummies of the Insane) The Brian Wilson Shock Treatment ? ?The Land of Eternal Shadow? (from The Secret Power of the Third Eye) Pilotos ? ?Blond Guy? (from Promo 2005) Sun Zoom Spark ? ?Silent Hearts Decline Your Invitation? (from Saturn Return) Elaine Lachica ? ?Diving Reflex? (from Apolune) Furgastedman ? ?Dominus Dom Deluise? (from Furgastedman) Doctor Dunbar?s Medicine Band ? ?Need To Get? (from Doctor Dunbar?s Medicine Band) The People ? track 1 (from Vol. II) Planet Janet ? ?A Moderate World? (from When Al Met Rita) The Black Halos ? ?Burning Trash? (From Alive Without Control) Holy Frog ? ?More Than A Nickel? (from from My By Self) Sumitra ? ?Destiny 2001? (from Indian Girl) http://Aural-Innovations.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Jul 16 15:44:43 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:44:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Hey there all ! Well there's no smoke & mirrors in the site coding, it's all to the latest W3C Standards (see http://www.w3.org/ for info) However, I notice that GutterCat is using AOL, which answers a few questions, as the Absense Of Logic browser was programmed by comedians, and doesnt comply to the universally recognised standards. AOL is also an 'online' ISP, so all content is served through them as an interface to the web proper, so some content is slow to be updated as it's all served via their cache. ISP's with a direct port to the Web backbone are more stable in this respect. I'd also suggest that anyone who has the AOL virus(ISP/Browser) on their machine loads up a copy of the latest Netscape IE or Mozilla (Firefox) to open up their access to webpages.... you might be missing a bunch of content there ! Sorry about appearing crabby with GutterCat the other day, but I'd sat up till after midnight to post up the latest info as it rolled in, after working from 5am (while jetlagged), then the first person to get back with a reply appeard to be whinging........ Arrrrrgghhhh :-} Sorry GutterCat, but I didn't suggest u were an idiot, just impatient, but as it happens, even providing a direct URL link may not have even helped in this circumsttance so looks like we both got it wrong in one way or other! :-} Whatever, the Promo cd, and the Special DVD with the new CD are great items, and I'm sure that's the important thing to be talking about at this time :-} Cyaz Rik On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:59:48 +0000, Rich Warren wrote: >There isn't a problem with the site it's likely still the browser, or maybe your isp is a little slow picking up changes made out there on the net. > >If the bulk of us see the message immediately, then it's not a site problem. > >Rich W > > >> In a message dated 16/07/2005 00:48:34 GMT Standard Time, >> mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM writes: >> >> Same problem here >> Refreshed browser several times, but still only get the text GutterCat >> describes >> >> >> Well thank you. >> So I am not the idiot Rik paints a picture of because he didn't provide a >> direct link. 30 secomds indeed! >> There is a problem with this site and it needs to be addressed. I am not the >> first. >> >> Steve. From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 17 16:52:28 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:52:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Philip Dick In-Reply-To: <002901c58891$012f7510$10fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: Vangelis/VALIS...??? Definitely going to rent that movie next time...Blockbuster now sells DVDs for the same price as rental. Found "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (source of Blade Runner) last time at the library but couldn't focus so I stashed the book off-shelf for later ("please do not re-shelve books")... They are using some kind of filing system where fiction is not alphebetized by author. More into short stories lately but since the library has "radio free albemuth" and "mind in motion: the fiction of PKD" I've read these by now and they're quite good, expect the same for Do Androids etc. On 7/14/05, Chas wrote: > I have the soundtrack album - it's pretty good in an ambient Bladerunner > type of way. Oh and it's by Vangelis. > > .......Charles the Grinning Boy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Jarrett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Philip Dick > > > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > > > > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > I've never managed to see the original version. I'd just about > > > >become aware of the film when the Director's Cut came out, and since > then > > > >I've been unable to catch the original anywhere. The fact that nobody > > > >seems to think this is a bad thing has stopped me tracking it down on > > > >video or suchlike. Am I right in believing that the Director's Cut, as > > > >well as losing the `voiceover crap', also loses the soundtrack? I've > > > >always wondered if that was a loss or not. > > > > > > I saw the Director's cut fairly recently, and it has a soundtrack. It's > > > atmospheric, unlike the jarring soundtracks of many modern films, so it > > > might be easy to think one was not present. :-) > > > > I do remember incidental music, but didn't notce it being > > continuous enough to be a soundtrack as such. All semantics I guess :-) > > > > > > On-topic link: this means the only place I've ever heard the > > > >Bladerunner theme is just before B?C take the stage :-) Yours, > > > > > > Don't BOC play the end titles music? > > > > I've not seen either for too long to be able to answer that :-( > > Yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Radiohead - _OK Computer_ > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error > > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." > > London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 17 17:01:28 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:01:28 -0400 Subject: Gig Reminder: 7/17/05 expecting as many as 1000 riders!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How was the turnout?? How did it turn out?? No I could not get anyone to drive me the 300 miles but dreamed of taking my 50cc bike to a motorcycle rally where someone was playing a Hawkwind song. Was there in spirit- quit smoking in honor of this. Will there be a recording of it? I want to hear what those bands sound like- either heard of them by this list or someone from Philadelphia. On 7/14/05, Burro Mike wrote: > Just wanted to mention that the local papers have been covering this event, > and have reported that they are expecting as many as 1000 bikers...Come Join > the ride!!!! > www.lets-ride.com/event/ > Deborah-Open-Motorcycle-Rally-and-Festival.Burlington-NJ.23685.htm > > >From: "Burro Mike" > >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, > >spacerock at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, > >jawdiok at comcast.net, BeyondAwizard at yahoogroups.com, > >BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, starrgazrr419 at yahoo.com, js3619 at acmenet.net > >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com > >Subject: Gig Reminder: 7/17/05 with Stewkey (Nazz), Mike Burro (OEB ), > >Screaming Eels,etc > >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:39:57 +0000 > > > >Just a friendly reminder that this coming Sunday is the 'Highway To > >Healthcare Event'. > >See details below... > > > >Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band, The Screaming Eels will start at > >approximately 12PM. They'll also join Stewkey and Mike for a number or two > >at the end of their set..It should be a good time! > > > >For the second set,( approximately 1:30 PM ), Mike Burro of > >The One Eyed Bishops will be joined by Stewkey, singer from Philadelphia's > >legendary 60's > >psych-pop band The Nazz. > >see http://www.stewkey.com > > > >The webaddress for the entire event is: http://www.highwaytohealthcare.org > > > >Remember the concerts and health fair portion of this event take place at > >the FINISH ( Deborah hospital, Browns Mills), not the STARTING point!! ( > >Burlington Center Mall ). > >Make sure you read the flyer carefully, and feel free to contact the staff > >using the links on the website. Additional questions may be directed to Pam > >Miller at Bluejazpam at aol.com > > > >For those of you who don't know about it yet, this is a charity motorcycle > >run which benefits Deborah Heart & Lung Center in Browns Mills, New Jersey. > >Deborah is an internationally known facility; as the hospital caters to > >patients who normally cannot afford or gain access to advanced > >pulminary/cardiac & respiratory health care. In addition the cycle run, > >there will be concerts on the hospital grounds ( also the finish point for > >the run ), free health screenings, refreshments and more!! This is a a > >great chance to see some live music, plus you can do a check on your own > >health as well. It's all FREE, EXCEPT there is a fee for those who plan to > >ride in the cycle rally.. See the information below for details! Remember > >the concerts take place at the FINISH not at the START point > > > >Here's a tentative schedule for the event. > >Start times could be slightly earlier than listed by 10-15 minutes > > > >11:30AM The Patriotic voice of America (10 minutes) > >12:00 PM The Screaming Eels ( Jay Adcock & Greg Elwell's new band! ) (25 > >minutes) > >Announcements > >12:30 PM The Screaming Eels (25 minutes) > >Announcements > >1:00 PM Mike Burro solo ( of The One Eyed Bishops ) (25 minutes) > >Announcements > >1:30 PM The One Eyed Bishops with Stewkey of The Nazz! (25 minutes) > >Announcements > >2:00 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) > >announcements > >2:30 PM Blues Box (25 minutes) > >Closing Announcements 3:30 > > > >These times are estimates and presented as a guide. > > > >One Eyed Bishops online: http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > > > > > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 17 17:24:43 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:24:43 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_BOC:_B=D6C_videoes?= In-Reply-To: <200507140319.j6E3JAQQ32927652@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: That song kicks ass, thought of a video might explain that stupid string of canned soundfx. damn!- sexy underage catholic schoolgirls are NOT while having to be overwhelmingly associated with Britney Spears. And she was a mouseketeer. On 7/13/05, nick at thecompletesheet.com wrote: > Not long ago, VH1 Classic had a half-hour show where they played several of the old videos. There was a creepy "sexy underage schoolgirl" vibe to "Joan Crawford". . . long before Britney Spears tried it. Weird. > > > --Nick > > > >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- > >From: Joe Loehr > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:38 > > > >Anybody know where(or if)a Word could be dropped to > >the Right Ears about > >getting B?C videoes released on DVD? > > > >I've never seen any of their vids, and a DVD would > >be MY prefered way to > >see 'em. Cut out all the drek that is MTV (like > >they'd show 'em now, > >anyway!) > > > >Joe > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 17 19:16:55 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:55 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000401c58598$56423570$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: Hobnobs: the one food that lawfully sits adjacent to the cold dead glass of AUTOCRAT! The official state drink of Rhode Island since whenever they said so. http://www.autocrat.com/ On 7/10/05, Tony wrote: > Just a biscuit? JUST A BISCUIT? The mighty HOBNOB is more than a mere > biscuit! It's an institution!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of eddie jobson > Sent: 10 July 2005 22:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > Very innocent, it's just a biscuit. > > >From: Stephe > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0400 > > > >Hi Eddie, Whats a hobnob? I'm serious!! Cheers Stephe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "eddie jobson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:28 PM > >Subject: Re: Hawkwind on Top Gear > > > > > >>Yeah took me by surprise too, nearly choked on my hobnob! > >> > >>>From: Sam Kirwan > >>>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >>>Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear > >>>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:01 +0100 > >>> > >>>Forge of the Vulcan just made a brief appearance on BBC2's Top Gear in > >>>their piece on the new Fiat Panda!! > >>> > >>>Sam > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 17 19:19:16 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:19:16 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on Top Gear In-Reply-To: <000801c585b4$0d705400$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Worked for OSCO once but don't remember Hobnobs there. Now there's no OSCO anywhere far as I know On 7/10/05, Stephe wrote: > Hi Rich, Never heard of these shops. Many chains are local, not nationwide. > Argh!!!! I want Hobnob's and I want them now. :-) Cheers Stephe > > Actually you can buy Hobnobs at many Jewel/Osco Supermarkets in the USA > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Sun Jul 17 21:31:15 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:31:15 +0000 Subject: setlist: OEB w/ Stewkey 'Highway to Healthcare' 7/17/05 Message-ID: The One Eyed Bishop(s) Highway to Healthcare: Deborah Heart & Lung Center; Browns Mills, New Jersey: July 17th, 2005 Set 1: Mike Burro: acoustic guitar/vocals I know you Rider Outside the Law Sect Appeal The One Eyed Hawk Lazy Poker Blues Down the Dustpipe Golden Void Set 2: Mike: semi hollow body electric/vocals Stewkey: vocals Smokestack Lightning King Bee Around & Around From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 18 08:38:09 2005 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:38:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Little Hawkwind mention on the BBC news website Message-ID: I bet the author has never taken the "ultimate hippy dippy drug" and listened to the Space Ritual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4692359.stm From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 18 13:24:42 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:24:42 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind mention on BBC website Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4692359.stm From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jul 18 14:03:09 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:03:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: As I said, merely pointing out that it is not the best way to talk to customers. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Storer" To: Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > You just cannot let it lie can you Colin!!!! > ; ) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin J Allen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > > > > Looks like the charm school failed to do their job properly:)). > > > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:47 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > > > > >and of course it took far less time to compose your messages than to > click > > >on a link.... :-} Sorry I took up 3 seconds of your time with my > > ineptitude. > > > > > >On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:03 EDT, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > > >>In a message dated 13/07/2005 23:58:36 GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG > > >writes: > > >> > > >>errrrr try clicking on 'LATEST INFORMATION' !! :-} > > >> > > >>Oh dear. Sorry for not being 'precise', but I kind of thought that > > >>putting *new info* on the 'latest info' page was slightly obvious, > > >>as 'tour news', 'catalogue', 'guest-book' and 'gallery' kind of > > >>eliminate themselves ! :-} > > >> > > >>aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhh........................ !! :-} > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Sorry, but some of us are pressed for time and would prefer a direct > > >link :-) > From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 18 14:20:18 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:20:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Little Hawkwind mention on the BBC news website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LSD use has fallen because in America the DEA has shut down the labs and comparitively it's hardly even produced any more. Didn't know mushrooms had been legal in the UK. Interesting. On 7/18/05, Alastair Sumner wrote: > I bet the author has never taken the "ultimate hippy dippy drug" and > listened to the Space Ritual. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4692359.stm > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Jul 18 16:41:40 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:41:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: ZZzzzzzzzzz............. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 18 21:03:40 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:03:40 EDT Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2005 3:43:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: ZZzzzzzzzzz............. Reminds me of a thing I saw whilst passing by 'Sesame Street' years back. They had some ZZ Top muppets singing about '' . . . Zimbabwe, and Zanzibar . . .'' while these 'Z's floated by overhead (guess Z was the letter of the day). One by one each of the ZZ Muppets fell asleep while playing. Muppets CAN get 'lowdown and funky!' Joe From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 19 03:32:51 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:32:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Ex-dancer in the news Message-ID: >From today's news... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4695005.stm From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 19 04:00:45 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:00:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... In-Reply-To: <129.611f3749.300dab6c@aol.com> Message-ID: On 19 Jul 2005, at 02:03, Joe Loehr wrote: > Muppets CAN get 'lowdown and funky!' Dr. Teeth & The Electric Mayhem's "Can you Picture That" (as played in the "Muppet Movie" with that Merry Pranksters-style bus) remain in heavy rotation with me! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jul 19 06:43:47 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:43:47 -0400 Subject: Ex-dancer in the news Message-ID: Hi there, Any idea when this occured? I don't recognize her. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 AM Subject: HW: Ex-dancer in the news > From today's news... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4695005.stm From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 19 08:49:04 2005 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Little Hawkwind mention on the BBC news website Message-ID: I seem to remember the law being that they were legal if they were fresh, but any kind of preparation i.e. drying or crumbling into powder was illegal. I suppose the law was like that because they grow all over the place in the UK. Where I live November was always a month where teenagers would socialise in cow fields on their hands and knees. In recent years people have taken advantage by selling foreign mushrooms and growing kits from market stalls in the street in a fresh state. I saw them in London. The law was bound to be revised as a result. I don't know what levels of LSD use are now. I imagine it's very low. It used to be common in the 80s, along with cannabis and speed. On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:20:18 -0500, Drill wrote: >LSD use has fallen because in America the DEA has shut down the labs >and comparitively it's hardly even produced any more. Didn't know >mushrooms had been legal in the UK. Interesting. > >On 7/18/05, Alastair Sumner wrote: >> I bet the author has never taken the "ultimate hippy dippy drug" and >> listened to the Space Ritual. >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4692359.stm >> > > >-- >Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program > >- Kill All Humans From coral at APORT.RU Tue Jul 19 08:02:50 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:02:50 +0400 Subject: Ex-dancer in the news Message-ID: Wow, that is cool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: HW: Ex-dancer in the news > From today's news... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4695005.stm > From sharpies at IDX.COM.AU Tue Jul 19 10:16:17 2005 From: sharpies at IDX.COM.AU (Allan Sharpe) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:16:17 +1000 Subject: Ex-dancer in the news Message-ID: Wow - two mentions of Hawkwind in the mainstream press in less than a week. ...mmm did someone hire a Publicity Agency to push the new album or is this just serendipitous. Allan Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: HW: Ex-dancer in the news > From today's news... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4695005.stm > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Jul 19 12:48:03 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:48:03 +0100 Subject: HW:Re: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Hello folks, Please be advised that in order that your request for the free promotional CD gets to the correct processing dept you *must* click on the {CD APPLICATION} link on Mission Control. If you have simply emailed management at hawkwind.com this will not guarantee that your details will be added to the mailout, which may result in some fans missing out on the offer. If you are one of these who has applied by email then please visit Mission control and click on the link to request a CD. Thanks, Keef P.S. If you are a Hawkwind passport holder you do not need to do anything but wait for your lovely free CD to drop through your letterbox. The above only applies to non Hawkwind passport holders. Hope that clarifies things a little. P.P.S. Mission Control is at: http://www.hawkwind.com Click on LATEST INFO and you'll see the {CD APPLICATION} link. :-) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jul 19 13:12:50 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:12:50 -0400 Subject: HW:Re: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Hi Keith, So in other words do nothing if you have the passport already? Cheers Stephe > Hello folks, > > Please be advised that in order that your request for the free > promotional CD gets to the correct processing dept you *must* click > on the {CD APPLICATION} link on Mission Control. If you have simply > emailed management at hawkwind.com this will not guarantee that your > details will be added to the mailout, which may result in some fans > missing out on the offer. If you are one of these who has applied by > email then please visit Mission control and click on the link to request > a CD. > > Thanks, > > Keef > > P.S. If you are a Hawkwind passport holder you do not need to do > anything but wait for your lovely free CD to drop through your > letterbox. The above only applies to non Hawkwind passport holders. > Hope that clarifies things a little. > > P.P.S. Mission Control is at: http://www.hawkwind.com > Click on LATEST INFO and you'll see the {CD APPLICATION} link. > > :-) From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Jul 19 13:23:27 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:23:27 +0100 Subject: HW:Re: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: Correct! If you have a *valid* passport then you don't have to do anything other than remain in your shelter and use your cocoon... SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous wrote: > > Hi Keith, So in other words do nothing if you have the passport already? Cheers Stephe > > > Hello folks, > > > > Please be advised that in order that your request for the free > > promotional CD gets to the correct processing dept you *must* click > > on the {CD APPLICATION} link on Mission Control. If you have simply > > emailed management at hawkwind.com this will not guarantee that your > > details will be added to the mailout, which may result in some fans > > missing out on the offer. If you are one of these who has applied by > > email then please visit Mission control and click on the link to request > > a CD. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Keef > > > > P.S. If you are a Hawkwind passport holder you do not need to do > > anything but wait for your lovely free CD to drop through your > > letterbox. The above only applies to non Hawkwind passport holders. > > Hope that clarifies things a little. > > > > P.P.S. Mission Control is at: http://www.hawkwind.com > > Click on LATEST INFO and you'll see the {CD APPLICATION} link. > > > > :-) From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jul 19 15:32:09 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:32:09 +0100 Subject: Ex-dancer in the news In-Reply-To: <000f01c58c4e$be983130$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I have photos of her at leeds in nov 2001 I put one of them on here http://www.tangledwoof.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/November2001/photos/photo22.html Cheers Alan Stephe wrote: > Hi there, Any idea when this occured? I don't recognize her. Cheers > Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 AM > Subject: HW: Ex-dancer in the news > > >> From today's news... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4695005.stm > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Jul 19 16:51:10 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:51:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... Message-ID: And there's the Edwin Morgan word-poem: "Siesta of a Hungarian Snake" s sz sz SZ sz SZ sz ZS zs ZS zs zs z (the lumpy bits are, apparently, dinner!) jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Cd - Passport Holders First.... > In a message dated 7/18/2005 3:43:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > hw at CY-B.ORG writes: > > ZZzzzzzzzzz............. > > > > Reminds me of a thing I saw whilst passing by 'Sesame Street' > years back. > > They had some ZZ Top muppets singing about '' . . . Zimbabwe, and > Zanzibar . > . .'' while these 'Z's floated by overhead (guess Z was the > letter of the > day). > > One by one each of the ZZ Muppets fell asleep while playing. > > Muppets CAN get 'lowdown and funky!' > > Joe > > From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jul 19 18:14:46 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:14:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: sf worldcon Message-ID: Hi folks, Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this year? It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... (Rich and I are coming across for it...) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jul 19 18:33:54 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:33:54 +0100 Subject: sf worldcon Message-ID: Sorry - we're on holiday further north (Lairg), showing Scotland to a Glaswegian....... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: OFF: sf worldcon > Hi folks, > > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... > > (Rich and I are coming across for it...) > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Jul 20 06:13:39 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:13:39 -0700 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. Message-ID: Hey Folks... How was the Dour Festival in Belgium? (Not sure about that name...do they not know what dour actually means in English? BTW, what does it mean in French?) Of course, it was the same weekend as Burg Herzberg, so there was no way I was going to be there. BH'05 was excellent! Many more people came this year than either of the last two years, and in fact there was talk amongst the promoters that they wouldn't continue because of how much money they lost last year. I guess there's now just so many festivals around Europe, that many of them are finding it hard to keep up attendence with so much competition. (Finkenbach, Guru Guru's festival, were in the same situation, but also have decided to continue...maybe I'll get down there for it, but perhaps not...I might go to Prague instead.) Well, luckily, Herzberg turned out great this year, and that means good things for next year. I won't say much about all the bands that played, 'cause I hope to have a chance to write a full comprehensive review, but here's a few main points. ColourHaze, a great stonerish band from Munich, got things off to a very good start on Thursday evening, and I was surprised (never having showed up early enough for Thursday bands) at how many people were there (didn't realize at the time how crowded it would get on Sat.). Friday's lineup included Anekdoten, Mostly Autumn, Love (without Arthur Lee, who apparently went AWOL just before the gig), Big Brother & the Holding Co. (also without Janis Joplin, who is also AWOL), the Ozrics, and Nik's Space Ritual. The Ozrics are still very good, though it seems as though Eddie is just keeping the band going 'cause he doesn't have anything else to do, and only John is left from the original unit. Anekdoten were very good, and luckily they didn't get rained out like last year, just before Hawkwind. Space Ritual I think are really terrible, sorry to say. I hadn't really thought about it much beforehand, but it just makes absolutely no damn sense whatsoever to have assembled this crazy band. Yeah, OK, it has five people who were (nearly) original members of the band, but then why is the band called Space Ritual, and why do they play Space Ritual-era songs (almost exclusively) when none (apart from Nik himself) were ever actually *in* the band in 1972-73? Unlike before, when Nik occasionally threw together a bunch of guys to play behind him without much rehearsal (if any), such that it was kind of a mess (but at least it was some kind of 'celebration' of Hawkwind music...that is to say, as classic Space Rock), this band actually could play reasonably well, with only an occasional clusterf*ck. So the problem wasn't the *ability* of the band members to play, just that none of them (save perhaps Terry Ollis) know a damn thing about how to 'blanga.' The style of the music was ALL WRONG. I couldn't even recognize half the songs until Nik started singing. I thought D-Rider was Golden Void (it was actually pretty good, 'cause Golden Void is my favorite HW song), and Brainstorm sounded oddly like Damnation Alley. And Mick Slattery was playing some f*cking kind of slide guitar solo in the middle of it...he doesn't apparently realize that HW strayed away from blues music very soon after he left. I swear, the band sounds much closer to Status Quo (or what I think Status Quo sounds like, given that they are almost completely unknown in the states), ie. some kind of silly party boogie-blues-like rubbish. It was very surreal to hear Hawkwind songs played in this style, and frankly rather disturbing and almost painful. OK, I admit that I thought Nik and Trev's (silly?) punk versions of Brainstorm and MotU were enjoyable, so I'm not entirely against reinterpretation of old HW classics, but these versions were truly offensive I must say. Actually, Sonic Attack (no horrible bouncey blues rhythm) they did really well, oddly enough...and MotU as a finale wasn't too awful, but then Anderson (I never really liked him in AD2 either) and Ollis at least played on the studio version. Other than that, they did no tracks that any of the members featured on. Not even Hurry on Sundown amazingly enough. Anyway, sorry, but I can't give thumbs up to this band. Nik has just gone off the tracks with this one...I would like to see what sort of excuse he might have for why anyone should care that he has a band with five 1969-1971 members, when the one thing they absolutely can NOT do is sound anything remotely like Space Rock. At all. And who the hell even knows/remembers that Tom Crimble and Mick were ever in the band? What the hell is the point of all this?! And why wasn't it obvious to me that the whole thing was silly before I even went to see them? :) (Well, I woulda gone to Herzberg no matter what, so...) But anyway...Saturday was yet better. Started out with some old krautrock, like Jane and Epitaph (a real blues rock band), then later there was Ten Years After (also missing a certain A. Lee, so hardly legit IMHO), and then Manfred Mann (he's amazingly popular in Germany still...they had a big crowd at the Loreley thing as well), and then iQ (I like them quite a lot), and finally Korai ?r?m, who were outstanding again. Sunday was sort of world music day, as always, with reggae and Brazilian and Cuban stuff, but then the headliner was Tito and Tarantula, which was more like AC/DC, even though Tito is obviously hispanic and sang some songs in Spanish. They were quite good actually. Anyway, a nice weekend, with good weather and lots and lots of people this time. The camping area, which was quite barren in areas last year, was full this time and even lapped over in the next field adjacent. So now I'm not sure about this "off the tracks" festival in Donnington. I don't recognize any of the other bands playing except for HW. Can anybody identify any of these names, or otherwise give any hints about whether it might be worth coming to more than HW's day? I think one can buy day tickets, but if I'm coming to the UK early for the HW show, then I might as well spend the whole wkd there, if anything else is remotely interesting. I'm going to Sonic Rock the following weekend, so I'll be coming to the UK for sure, but I have to decide when to book a flight. Who else is going to Sonic Rock? Anybody from near the midlands (if I'm at Donnington that is), or else from near Stansted airport? Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) in Gem?nden am Main, wherever that is __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Microlise Group Limited +44(0)1773 537000 > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Wed Jul 20 15:20:55 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:20:55 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050720101339.21356.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Reading that made my day, no joke! ! Always envious of the shows and outdoor festivals in Europe for various reasons, generally it's the (apparent) lack of activity wherever I am and lack of any money do do anything anyway. Glad it's a headache no matter what though. Well yeah, no, not exactly, Or something like that. N.Turner's accompaniemente was right on over in the town of Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts on top of it being the unearthly surprise of a tuesday night in september. That "Celebration of Hawkwind's music as you say hit a note, I mean that's all you'd need to sell me a ticket. Owing to past experience I'm going to be the last person to fool myself he's gettting his money's exchange in some valuable excitation of his brain's musical cortex if he's definitely NOT. That's why I don't give a flying f*ck that motorhead is coming to my town again as they are inevitably touring again after the inevitable last album I again failed to purchase or listen to. Lucky to have sneaked into a well-gaurded building the last time, some day it will again be worth $30 as it supposedly was the first 4 times. On 7/20/05, Keith Henderson wrote: > Hey Folks... > > How was the Dour Festival in Belgium? (Not sure about that name...do they not know what dour actually means in English? BTW, what does it mean in French?) > > Of course, it was the same weekend as Burg Herzberg, so there was no way I was going to be there. BH'05 was excellent! Many more people came this year than either of the last two years, and in fact there was talk amongst the promoters that they wouldn't continue because of how much money they lost last year. I guess there's now just so many festivals around Europe, that many of them are finding it hard to keep up attendence with so much competition. (Finkenbach, Guru Guru's festival, were in the same situation, but also have decided to continue...maybe I'll get down there for it, but perhaps not...I might go to Prague instead.) Well, luckily, Herzberg turned out great this year, and that means good things for next year. > > I won't say much about all the bands that played, 'cause I hope to have a chance to write a full comprehensive review, but here's a few main points. > > ColourHaze, a great stonerish band from Munich, got things off to a very good start on Thursday evening, and I was surprised (never having showed up early enough for Thursday bands) at how many people were there (didn't realize at the time how crowded it would get on Sat.). > > Friday's lineup included Anekdoten, Mostly Autumn, Love (without Arthur Lee, who apparently went AWOL just before the gig), Big Brother & the Holding Co. (also without Janis Joplin, who is also AWOL), the Ozrics, and Nik's Space Ritual. > > The Ozrics are still very good, though it seems as though Eddie is just keeping the band going 'cause he doesn't have anything else to do, and only John is left from the original unit. > > Anekdoten were very good, and luckily they didn't get rained out like last year, just before Hawkwind. > > Space Ritual I think are really terrible, sorry to say. I hadn't really thought about it much beforehand, but it just makes absolutely no damn sense whatsoever to have assembled this crazy band. Yeah, OK, it has five people who were (nearly) original members of the band, but then why is the band called Space Ritual, and why do they play Space Ritual-era songs (almost exclusively) when none (apart from Nik himself) were ever actually *in* the band in 1972-73? Unlike before, when Nik occasionally threw together a bunch of guys to play behind him without much rehearsal (if any), such that it was kind of a mess (but at least it was some kind of 'celebration' of Hawkwind music...that is to say, as classic Space Rock), this band actually could play reasonably well, with only an occasional clusterf*ck. So the problem wasn't the *ability* of the band members to play, just that none of them (save perhaps Terry Ollis) know a damn thing about how to 'blanga.' The style of the musi! > c was ALL > WRONG. I couldn't even recognize half the songs until Nik started singing. I thought D-Rider was Golden Void (it was actually pretty good, 'cause Golden Void is my favorite HW song), and Brainstorm sounded oddly like Damnation Alley. And Mick Slattery was playing some f*cking kind of slide guitar solo in the middle of it...he doesn't apparently realize that HW strayed away from blues music very soon after he left. I swear, the band sounds much closer to Status Quo (or what I think Status Quo sounds like, given that they are almost completely unknown in the states), ie. some kind of silly party boogie-blues-like rubbish. It was very surreal to hear Hawkwind songs played in this style, and frankly rather disturbing and almost painful. OK, I admit that I thought Nik and Trev's (silly?) punk versions of Brainstorm and MotU were enjoyable, so I'm not entirely against reinterpretation of old HW classics, but these versions were truly offensive I must say. > > Actually, Sonic Attack (no horrible bouncey blues rhythm) they did really well, oddly enough...and MotU as a finale wasn't too awful, but then Anderson (I never really liked him in AD2 either) and Ollis at least played on the studio version. Other than that, they did no tracks that any of the members featured on. Not even Hurry on Sundown amazingly enough. > > Anyway, sorry, but I can't give thumbs up to this band. Nik has just gone off the tracks with this one...I would like to see what sort of excuse he might have for why anyone should care that he has a band with five 1969-1971 members, when the one thing they absolutely can NOT do is sound anything remotely like Space Rock. At all. And who the hell even knows/remembers that Tom Crimble and Mick were ever in the band? What the hell is the point of all this?! And why wasn't it obvious to me that the whole thing was silly before I even went to see them? :) (Well, I woulda gone to Herzberg no matter what, so...) > > But anyway...Saturday was yet better. Started out with some old krautrock, like Jane and Epitaph (a real blues rock band), then later there was Ten Years After (also missing a certain A. Lee, so hardly legit IMHO), and then Manfred Mann (he's amazingly popular in Germany still...they had a big crowd at the Loreley thing as well), and then iQ (I like them quite a lot), and finally Korai ?r?m, who were outstanding again. Sunday was sort of world music day, as always, with reggae and Brazilian and Cuban stuff, but then the headliner was Tito and Tarantula, which was more like AC/DC, even though Tito is obviously hispanic and sang some songs in Spanish. They were quite good actually. > > Anyway, a nice weekend, with good weather and lots and lots of people this time. The camping area, which was quite barren in areas last year, was full this time and even lapped over in the next field adjacent. > > So now I'm not sure about this "off the tracks" festival in Donnington. I don't recognize any of the other bands playing except for HW. Can anybody identify any of these names, or otherwise give any hints about whether it might be worth coming to more than HW's day? I think one can buy day tickets, but if I'm coming to the UK early for the HW show, then I might as well spend the whole wkd there, if anything else is remotely interesting. I'm going to Sonic Rock the following weekend, so I'll be coming to the UK for sure, but I have to decide when to book a flight. > > Who else is going to Sonic Rock? Anybody from near the midlands (if I'm at Donnington that is), or else from near Stansted airport? > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) in Gem?nden am Main, wherever that is > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Jul 20 16:33:08 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:33:08 +0100 Subject: HW: (slightly) room with a soul Message-ID: For anyone interested in rock music memorabilia I recently spent a night in the Beinn Inn Hotel (an old coaching inn at Glenfarg, near Perth, Scotland). I asked for a single room, as usual, and was given the key to Room 11. After wandering down some narrow creaking winding corridors I found myself in slight annex off from the main building in a room labelled the Stage Door and when I entered was greeted with the astonishing sight of a low-ceilinged room containing a huge double bed with a deep dark rich-red cover and every square inch of the surrounding walls and ceiling covered by posters, photographs and autographs of bands and rock musicians from the 70s and 80s. There were at least two electric guitars preserved in glass fronted cabinets in obscure dark corners of the room and two enormous flags (Stars and Stripes and Union Jack) draped across the ceiling above the bed. Several of the posters were exotic psychedelic creations advertising the ?Monteray Festival (I think) and all the photographs of famous rock musicians playing on-stage were autographed. Couldn't decide whether they were all momentoes from people who had stayed at that hotel (and slept in that room!) or whether they had been collected from various Festivals but it was an overwhelming environment to spend the night in. Sadly no Hawkwind pics (I thought about offering some of my own!) but there was a curiously contrived print of a "Rock Music Family Tree" which was a huge bushy tree with broad trunk and spreading roots entirely created from names of bands - blues bands in the roots then mainstream 60s 70s bands through psychedelia and rock spreading out to folk music on one side and (can't remember what!) on the other and modern bands at the top. Anyhow HAWKWIND occupies a prominent and central point in the main chunk of the tree just before it begins spreading out. See - it was a bit on topic! cheers jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Jul 20 23:23:31 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:23:31 -0400 Subject: (slightly) room with a soul In-Reply-To: <003401c58d6a$3f79e4d0$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: Great story Jill thanks for sharing that Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: (slightly) room with a soul For anyone interested in rock music memorabilia I recently spent a night in the Beinn Inn Hotel (an old coaching inn at Glenfarg, near Perth, Scotland). I asked for a single room, as usual, and was given the key to Room 11. After wandering down some narrow creaking winding corridors I found myself in slight annex off from the main building in a room labelled the Stage Door and when I entered was greeted with the astonishing sight of a low-ceilinged room containing a huge double bed with a deep dark rich-red cover and every square inch of the surrounding walls and ceiling covered by posters, photographs and autographs of bands and rock musicians from the 70s and 80s. There were at least two electric guitars preserved in glass fronted cabinets in obscure dark corners of the room and two enormous flags (Stars and Stripes and Union Jack) draped across the ceiling above the bed. Several of the posters were exotic psychedelic creations advertising the ?Monteray Festival (I think) and all the photographs of famous rock musicians playing on-stage were autographed. Couldn't decide whether they were all momentoes from people who had stayed at that hotel (and slept in that room!) or whether they had been collected from various Festivals but it was an overwhelming environment to spend the night in. Sadly no Hawkwind pics (I thought about offering some of my own!) but there was a curiously contrived print of a "Rock Music Family Tree" which was a huge bushy tree with broad trunk and spreading roots entirely created from names of bands - blues bands in the roots then mainstream 60s 70s bands through psychedelia and rock spreading out to folk music on one side and (can't remember what!) on the other and modern bands at the top. Anyhow HAWKWIND occupies a prominent and central point in the main chunk of the tree just before it begins spreading out. See - it was a bit on topic! cheers jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Jul 21 05:01:40 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:01:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Petition for Hawkwind to headline Larmer Tree festival 2006. In-Reply-To: <003401c58d6a$3f79e4d0$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: Hi, just to say went to the fantastic Larmer Tree festival last weekend. Glorious weather & music. Stuck to one of the stages was a petition to try & get Hawkwind to headline next year, And the petition looked rather well signed by the end of the weekend. obviously a lot of love for the band from middle England ( its a very safe, very child orientated festival) next to the petition there was a fantastic live hawkwind poster 30 x 18 approx) obviously from the Space Ritual tour, and by far the best live poster i've seen of the band. I really wanted the poster but didn't think it cool to rip if off... so hopefully they'll get the call from this lovely festival. and if anyone is aware of this poster and has a copy they are keen to sell me, let me know. iain From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jul 21 06:29:04 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:29:04 -0700 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050720101339.21356.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wrote: >Space Ritual I think are really terrible, sorry to say....The style of the music was >ALL WRONG. Oh...I can't believe I totally forgot to mention the 'dancer.' Another thing that Space Ritual has TOTALLY gotten wrong. I mean, we all know that Stacia was famous for dancing onstage with Hawkwind in a little less than nothing, but (not having ever seen any video footage...only photos) I always imagined that it was rather in the guise of being some kind of 'Earth Goddess' - or something that wasn't about being a sex object as much as being in the state that we were all brought to this earth. But maybe those who were actually there in those days could expound more. But irregardless, the dancer Nik has hired rated a big fat ZERO on the scale of originality and artistry. I mean, how hard was it for her to watch Showgirls one or two times, then go out and buy a handful of cheap, vinyl plastic fetish outfits at the local Beate Uhse (or whatever they have in the UK for such purposes) and then practice slipping them on and off in a short time. I mean, you could almost predict the next outfit to appear. OK, there's the slutty nurses outfit, next will be the French Maid uniform (yep, there it is!)...then, no joke, it's the Catholic Nun habit! Woo...I'm soooo turned on, I forgot how horrible the music was there for a second. Give me a break, Nik...that was just beneath you. You're making a mockery of the HW name now. "Please stop, Nik...Nik, will you stop? My brain is going, I can feel it. Stop, Nik. Will you please stop, Nik?" I'm sorry to be so hyperbolic about someone who I had long since forgiven for the nonsense of the '83-'84 years ('Shove it in at the front, shit it out at the back'), since although he had hardly created enough new music to fill a single CD in twenty years, he was still performing around the world (including the US, where little HW can be heard on stage these days) and doing some justice to the HW name and his own legacy. But now he's gone and thrown it all away again in an instant (in my mind) with this new ridiculous scheme that has virtually no (musical) legitimacy and is also downright embarrassing with the selling of a tactless 'sex kitten' dancer as eye candy. The current two Hawkwind dancers are phenomenal IMHO, and do really well-choreographed routines that show a lot of artistry, creativity and linkages with the music. And at Middlesbrough, Nottingham, and Loreley, they had *new* routines each and every time. And were excellent at Loreley despite the fact that somebody forgot to bring all their costumes along. The Spirit of the Age routine with them hanging from the rafters beginning from a cocoon-like state at the outset was really excellent. I hope they stay around for the next few years at least. In any case, what a huge difference between those two and this classless girl that Nik has hired. I should say that the audience for Space Ritual was about the same as for Hawkwind last year, even though their stage time was 1:30-3:30 and Hawkwind played at something like 11:45-1:15 last year. But that was mainly due to the fact that the overall crowd at BH'05 was much larger, so *all* the bands had more spectators this year relative to the same time slots as at '04. And yes, there were plenty of German fans that obviously very much enjoyed Space Ritual, and quite a few men obviously weren't so put off by the dancer as I was. But you should note that quite a few in the audience were also incredibly drunk. :) Well, enough of my soapbox...I am not happy to be here writing such diatribe...I would always prefer to write well of all the artists I pay to see, but I have to be honest and say what I feel. I'm also sorry that I use this awful Yahoo email software, that seems to have a very hard time putting in linebreaks for some people. I apologize for that, and would be very happy if someone could tell me how to avoid that, so people don't have to scroll off to the right six or seven miles per paragraph. (Can't we go back to using simple DOS-ASCII email systems, like we had in 1990?...they were so much better, I'm not kidding. No attachment files, but we don't use those for mailing lists and USENET anyway. I don't use USENET anymore, 'cause it's all rubbish, but...) Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Steve Y...permission granted...use any name you like. P.P.S. Denis...are those your planes flying over my head here in Bavaria every morning? Or are they Ami's? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jul 21 08:12:55 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:12:55 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hallo peeps, I couldn't agree with Keith's summary of Nik's Space Ritual more. I saw them play at the Brook Club last winter. The sound was very very very (very) retro, more avant-garde jazz skiffle than progressive rock. I was dissappointed ...but what was worse was the fact that, after 25 years of her knowing my penchant for HW, i had finally managed to persuade my big sister to come along and see what i had been going on about! Caroline herself doesn't get out that much....2.4 kids etc and I think the last band she saw was actually Status Quo (in about 1977!). She is also one of the most generous people i know; selfless, non- critical, accepting of all etc - so to see her shifting from foot to foot in abject boredom was almost unbearable - she may never venture out again! Do SR give refunds or does anyone think we have a case for compensation? regards Maxine p.s. The only point i disagree with Keith is that they sounded anything like Status Quo - the proof of this is that Caro would have been leaping about.. probably doing "the shoulders". > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:13:39 -0700 > From: Keith Henderson > Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. > > Hey Folks... > > How was the Dour Festival in Belgium? (Not sure about that name...do > they not know what dour actually means in English? BTW, what does it > mean in French?) > > Of course, it was the same weekend as Burg Herzberg, so there was no > way I was going to be there. BH'05 was excellent! Many more people > came this year than either of the last two years, and in fact there > was talk amongst the promoters that they wouldn't continue because of > how much money they lost last year. I guess there's now just so many > festivals around Europe, that many of them are finding it hard to keep > up attendence with so much competition. (Finkenbach, Guru Guru's > festival, were in the same situation, but also have decided to > continue...maybe I'll get down there for it, but perhaps not...I might > go to Prague instead.) Well, luckily, Herzberg turned out great this > year, and that means good things for next year. > > I won't say much about all the bands that played, 'cause I hope to > have a chance to write a full comprehensive review, but here's a few > main points. > > ColourHaze, a great stonerish band from Munich, got things off to a > very good start on Thursday evening, and I was surprised (never having > showed up early enough for Thursday bands) at how many people were > there (didn't realize at the time how crowded it would get on Sat.). > > Friday's lineup included Anekdoten, Mostly Autumn, Love (without > Arthur Lee, who apparently went AWOL just before the gig), Big Brother > & the Holding Co. (also without Janis Joplin, who is also AWOL), the > Ozrics, and Nik's Space Ritual. > > The Ozrics are still very good, though it seems as though Eddie is > just keeping the band going 'cause he doesn't have anything else to > do, and only John is left from the original unit. > > Anekdoten were very good, and luckily they didn't get rained out like > last year, just before Hawkwind. > > Space Ritual I think are really terrible, sorry to say. I hadn't > really thought about it much beforehand, but it just makes absolutely > no damn sense whatsoever to have assembled this crazy band. Yeah, OK, > it has five people who were (nearly) original members of the band, but > then why is the band called Space Ritual, and why do they play Space > Ritual-era songs (almost exclusively) when none (apart from Nik > himself) were ever actually *in* the band in 1972-73? Unlike before, > when Nik occasionally threw together a bunch of guys to play behind > him without much rehearsal (if any), such that it was kind of a mess > (but at least it was some kind of 'celebration' of Hawkwind > music...that is to say, as classic Space Rock), this band actually > could play reasonably well, with only an occasional clusterf*ck. So > the problem wasn't the *ability* of the band members to play, just > that none of them (save perhaps Terry Ollis) know a damn thing about > how to 'blanga.' The style of the musi! > c was ALL > WRONG. I couldn't even recognize half the songs until Nik started > singing. I thought D-Rider was Golden Void (it was actually pretty > good, 'cause Golden Void is my favorite HW song), and Brainstorm > sounded oddly like Damnation Alley. And Mick Slattery was playing > some f*cking kind of slide guitar solo in the middle of it...he > doesn't apparently realize that HW strayed away from blues music very > soon after he left. I swear, the band sounds much closer to Status > Quo (or what I think Status Quo sounds like, given that they are > almost completely unknown in the states), ie. some kind of silly > party boogie-blues-like rubbish. It was very surreal to hear > Hawkwind songs played in this style, and frankly rather disturbing > and almost painful. OK, I admit that I thought Nik and Trev's > (silly?) punk versions of Brainstorm and MotU were enjoyable, so I'm > not entirely against reinterpretation of old HW classics, but these > versions were truly offensive I must say. > > Actually, Sonic Attack (no horrible bouncey blues rhythm) they did > really well, oddly enough...and MotU as a finale wasn't too awful, but > then Anderson (I never really liked him in AD2 either) and Ollis at > least played on the studio version. Other than that, they did no > tracks that any of the members featured on. Not even Hurry on Sundown > amazingly enough. > > Anyway, sorry, but I can't give thumbs up to this band. Nik has just > gone off the tracks with this one...I would like to see what sort of > excuse he might have for why anyone should care that he has a band > with five 1969-1971 members, when the one thing they absolutely can > NOT do is sound anything remotely like Space Rock. At all. And who > the hell even knows/remembers that Tom Crimble and Mick were ever in > the band? What the hell is the point of all this?! And why wasn't it > obvious to me that the whole thing was silly before I even went to see > them? :) (Well, I woulda gone to Herzberg no matter what, so...) > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 21 09:42:17 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:42:17 +0100 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Oh...I can't believe I totally forgot to mention the 'dancer.' Another > thing that Space Ritual has TOTALLY gotten wrong. I mean, we all know > that Stacia was famous for dancing onstage with Hawkwind in a little > less than nothing, but (not having ever see> n any video > footage...only photos) I always imagined that it was rather in the > guise of being some kind of 'Earth Goddess' - or something that wasn't > about being a sex object Well I know a few people who were around 14 at the time and I think "sex object" would pretty much cover their views accurately. Outside of people still hankering over the good old days of Dworkin, McKinnon, and Claire Short's anti-Sun rants, I think that can be a Good Thing. > But irregardless, the dancer Nik has hired rated a big fat ZERO on the > scale of originality and artistry. I mean, how hard was it for her to > watch Showgirls one or two times, then go out and buy a handful of > cheap, vinyl plastic fetish outfits at the loc> al Beate Uhse (or > whatever they have in the UK for such purposes) Ann Summers I guess? > and then practice slipping them on and off in a short time. It's always worked for me, but you have to remember to buy the little vial of oil too... > I mean, you could almost > predict the next outfit to appear. OK, there's the slutty nurses > outfit, next will be the French Maid > uniform (yep, there it > is!)...then, no joke, it's the Catholic Nun habit! What? No schoolgirl uniform? They're trying to get a gig at Pentrich aren't they? > Woo...I'm soooo turned on, I forgot how horrible the music was there > for a second. > Give me a break, Nik...that was just beneath you. You're making a > mockery of the HW name now. "Please stop, Nik...Nik, will you stop? > My brain is going, I can feel it. Stop, Nik. Will you please stop, > Nik?" Daisy. D...a....i....s....y. "I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." Well, I guess I'll be finding out for myself at Wickerman... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 21 09:45:50 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:45:50 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:12:55 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Do SR give refunds *Two* copies of Festival of the Sun. > or does anyone think we have a case for compensation? "Hawkwind Fans Sue Turner: Demand Return of their Minds!" It has a nice ring to it... FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 21 09:55:13 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:55:13 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <200507211345.j6LDjoRm029415@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Gee, I can imagine the headlines now: "Nation in Shock as Haggard Old Acid Casualties Turn in Kind of Lame Concert Experience" .... Ring _The Onion_ ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jul 21 10:02:26 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:02:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Blows Against the Empire remaster Message-ID: I see that ye olde sci-fi music project thingy _Blows Against the Empire_ is being re-released (in the UK, at least) in remastered form with bonus tracks and sailing under the flag of Paul Kantner: ===== PAUL KANTNER Blows Against The Empire 2005 35th Anniversary Expanded Edition UK 17-track digitally remastered CD album, released in 1970 it features the cream of the 60's west coast scene [Glace Slick, Jerry Garcia, David Crosby, Graham Nash], the album has been expanded with 8 BONUS TRACKS Released 22nd August ===== Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Jul 21 10:21:29 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Blows Against the Empire remaster In-Reply-To: <42DFAAF2.5080805@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > I see that ye olde sci-fi music project thingy _Blows Against the > Empire_ is being re-released (in the UK, at least) in remastered form I never understood why people liked this. I thought it stank. I think this CD has the distingusishing feature of being the first CD I ever sold/traded. :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 21 10:53:19 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:53:19 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:55:13 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Gee, I can imagine the headlines now: > "Nation in Shock as Haggard Old Acid Casualties Turn in Kind of Lame > Concert Experience" .... "Songs Not As Good As They Used To Be" says fan "Acid Archie" (62). FoFP From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 12:33:03 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:33:03 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050721102905.66235.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/21/05, Keith Henderson wrote: > I wrote: > >Space Ritual I think are really terrible, sorry to say....The style of the music was >ALL WRONG. > > Oh...I can't believe I totally forgot to mention the 'dancer.' Another thing that Space Ritual has TOTALLY gotten wrong. I mean, we all know that Stacia was famous for dancing onstage with Hawkwind in a little less than nothing, but (not having ever seen any video footage...only photos) I always imagined that it was rather in the guise of being some kind of 'Earth Goddess' - or something that wasn't about being a sex object as much as being in the state that we were all brought to this earth. But maybe those who were actually there in those days could expound more. > > But irregardless, the dancer Nik has hired rated a big fat ZERO on the scale of originality and artistry. I mean, how hard was it for her to watch Showgirls one or two times, then go out and buy a handful of cheap, vinyl plastic fetish outfits at the local Beate Uhse (or whatever they have in the UK for such purposes) and then practice slipping them on and off in a short time. I mean, you could almost predict the next outfit to appear. OK, there's the slutty nurses outfit, next will be the French Maid uniform (yep, there it is!)...then, no joke, it's the Catholic Nun habit! Woo...I'm soooo turned on, I forgot how horrible the music was there for a second. > > Give me a break, Nik...that was just beneath you. You're making a mockery of the HW name now. "Please stop, Nik...Nik, will you stop? My brain is going, I can feel it. Stop, Nik. Will you please stop, Nik?" > > I'm sorry to be so hyperbolic about someone who I had long since forgiven for the nonsense of the '83-'84 years ('Shove it in at the front, shit it out at the back'), since although he had hardly created enough new music to fill a single CD in twenty years, he was still performing around the world (including the US, where little HW can be heard on stage these days) and doing some justice to the HW name and his own legacy. But now he's gone and thrown it all away again in an instant (in my mind) with this new ridiculous scheme that has virtually no (musical) legitimacy and is also downright embarrassing with the selling of a tactless 'sex kitten' dancer as eye candy. > > The current two Hawkwind dancers are phenomenal IMHO, and do really well-choreographed routines that show a lot of artistry, creativity and linkages with the music. And at Middlesbrough, Nottingham, and Loreley, they had *new* routines each and every time. And were excellent at Loreley despite the fact that somebody forgot to bring all their costumes along. The Spirit of the Age routine with them hanging from the rafters beginning from a cocoon-like state at the outset was really excellent. I hope they stay around for the next few years at least. In any case, what a huge difference between those two and this classless girl that Nik has hired. > > I should say that the audience for Space Ritual was about the same as for Hawkwind last year, even though their stage time was 1:30-3:30 and Hawkwind played at something like 11:45-1:15 last year. But that was mainly due to the fact that the overall crowd at BH'05 was much larger, so *all* the bands had more spectators this year relative to the same time slots as at '04. And yes, there were plenty of German fans that obviously very much enjoyed Space Ritual, and quite a few men obviously weren't so put off by the dancer as I was. But you should note that quite a few in the audience were also incredibly drunk. :) > > Well, enough of my soapbox...I am not happy to be here writing such diatribe...I would always prefer to write well of all the artists I pay to see, but I have to be honest and say what I feel. > > I'm also sorry that I use this awful Yahoo email software, that seems to have a very hard time putting in linebreaks for some people. I apologize for that, and would be very happy if someone could tell me how to avoid that, so people don't have to scroll off to the right six or seven miles per paragraph. (Can't we go back to using simple DOS-ASCII email systems, like we had in 1990?...they were so much better, I'm not kidding. Hell yeah! I kept using a terrible email service for years just because they'd let me log in through TELNET. HELO. USER. PASS. OK HELO READ YOUR MAIL NOW BUT IN 10 YEARS NO ONE WILL WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DO THIS ANYMORE. Gmail is excellent to me and they don't screw around, ever so far. The only problem I had earlier on was logging in with a dated Mac system and I quickly found a version of Firefox that would click through. Since then (gmail's still officially in beta testing) they've I think made a way through with POP3 and a more skeletal HTML version of their webmail. Give it a try, hardly even what you'd call a form to fill out. There's another universe where you can watch live ascii video at 12000 baud, Tesla returned to earth and is 30 meters high and made out of lightning, and the world's flag is the splitte crow. No attachment files, but we don't use those for mailing lists and USENET anyway. I don't use USENET anymore, 'cause it's all rubbish, but...) > > Ciao...Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Steve Y...permission granted...use any name you like. > > P.P.S. Denis...are those your planes flying over my head here in Bavaria every morning? Or are they Ami's? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 21 12:48:57 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:48:57 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 12:33 -0400, Drill wrote: > Gmail is excellent to me and they don't screw around, ever so far. The > only problem I had earlier on was logging in with a dated Mac system > and I quickly found a version of Firefox that would click through. > Since then (gmail's still officially in beta testing) they've I think > made a way through with POP3 and a more skeletal HTML version of their > webmail. Give it a try, hardly even what you'd call a form to fill > out. If Gmail is to support POP3, where will they put the targeted adverts? Will they insert them directly into your e-mail? BTW, given the distaste Keith has shown in the past over store "loyalty cards" and the profiling that goes with them, I doubt he'd be comfortable using a service with serious privacy concerns like Gmail. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jul 21 13:28:42 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:28:42 +0000 Subject: One Eyed Assassin gig: NYC 9/17/05 Dave Adams (AOS), Mike Burro,Jay Adcock (OEB Message-ID: Hello friends, it is with great pleasure that I make the first announcement of this very special one off gig!! Although the actual name on the billing is still ambiguous ( it could be One Eyed Bishops, or SLOTERDIJK), depending on the management's decision;( ie for name recognition), the gig is CONFIRMED. Dave Adams, bass assassin from 'Assassins of Silence' will be playing in a special 'transcontinental spacerock lineup' which, also consists of Mike Burro, Jay Adcock & Dr. Maria Ramundo of 'SLOTERDIJK' and/or The One Eyed Bishops. * Maria is in permanent 'tentative' status due to motherhood etc... The gig will take place at The Baggot Inn, Greenwhich Village, Manhattan, New York, New York; Saturday, September 17th 2005, and will be a set of mostly Hawkwind music, with perhaps a Sloterdijk or OEB tune thrown in the mix. We also plan to do a certain early instrumental piece by 'The Pink Floyd'. This event is still developing, so we can't provide you with too many other details at this moment, other than the fact that it is definite and confirmed. The venue URL is: http://www.baggotinn.com Although we will be continuing to update you about the show, I advise that you also periodically check the venue website ( especially from September 1 on ). On any given Saturday there are usually 3-4 bands, so we don't yet know what time we will go on, or who the other acts are. That is not up to us, so please don't contact us about getting your band on the bill, as this is not a festival, but rather a New York City one off gig. We are hoping to see many of the list members who live in the greater New York/New Jersey area at this show..This will give many of you a chance to see/meet Dave for the first time. This is a really nice venue, and the place was packed the last time we played there ( OEB 2/21/04 ). We look forward to joining forces for this show and hope to offer you a real 'space rock spectacular'. FURTHER INFORMATION TO BE RELEASED AS IT IS RECEIVED....MARK YOUR CALENDARS! In future days you may also find additional information at: http://www.assassinsofsilence.com http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com/oebs From Crasher at TESCO.NET Thu Jul 21 13:58:40 2005 From: Crasher at TESCO.NET (Phil Brown) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:58:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Does anyone anything about this? In-Reply-To: <42DD370F.2B1F9B9E@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: I just received an add for this from 101cd Triple CD album ?9.99 WELCOME TO THE FUTURE HAWKWIND 2 CD box set for the space-rock band featuring live recordings from 1975-1977. Includes DVD disc (All Regions) with a 49 minute Dave Brock interview filmed 2002 (Dave Brock interviewed by 'Jet' Martin Clemins). Crasher at tesco.net From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jul 21 14:10:21 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:10:21 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <42DF9F64.12294.A8CD360@localhost> Message-ID: I agree with y'all At the risk of repeating what you already know, here's a link to audio of Space Ritual at the April Roadburn festival http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/media/index.jsp?portal=2534202&event=21711857 It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm with Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. Cheers Alan Maxine Wesley wrote: >Hallo peeps, > >I couldn't agree with Keith's summary of Nik's Space Ritual more. I saw >them play at the Brook Club last winter. The sound was very very very >(very) retro, more avant-garde jazz skiffle than progressive rock. > >I was dissappointed ...but what was worse was the fact that, after 25 >years of her knowing my penchant for HW, i had finally managed to >persuade my big sister to come along and see what i had been going >on about! Caroline herself doesn't get out that much....2.4 kids etc and >I think the last band she saw was actually Status Quo (in about 1977!). >She is also one of the most generous people i know; selfless, non- >critical, accepting of all etc - so to see her shifting from foot to foot in >abject boredom was almost unbearable - she may never venture out >again! Do SR give refunds or does anyone think we have a case for >compensation? > > >regards > >Maxine > >p.s. The only point i disagree with Keith is that they sounded anything >like Status Quo - the proof of this is that Caro would have been leaping >about.. probably doing "the shoulders". > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From GutterCat at AOL.COM Thu Jul 21 14:17:57 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:17:57 EDT Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm with Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. I guess it's for people stuck in the past who firmly believe that "those were the days". What I keep telling people who ask me about Hawkwind is about posts to the lists when they are on tour. That people have been seeing them for over 30 years and those people are saying that the gig they have just seen was the best. One in particular had seen them in SR days and said that the last tour was better for him. Losts of people come to me asking about the band when they see my tee shirts. Usual question is "Are they still going?" Or "Are they still alive?" if it's a recent shirt. They leave more knowledgable than they were before they asked. I was on my way for a train last weekend, jusr crossing the road when I saw a bloke walking in my direction on the side I was just crossing from. He was wearing the very same shirt that I was!!! That has NEVER happened outside of a concert. I crossed back and spoke to him, but guess what? For some reason he wasn't very coherent. Looking to the future! Steve. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jul 21 14:39:31 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:39:31 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe > In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, > alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > > It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that > this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to > the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm with > Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. > From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Thu Jul 21 14:48:49 2005 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:48:49 +0200 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: I really don't know anymore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the > REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe > > >> In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >> alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >> >> It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >> this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >> the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >> with >> Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >> > From alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Jul 21 14:57:32 2005 From: alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:57:32 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <000601c58e23$886e59a0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: "The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. Stephe wrote: > Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the > REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe > > >> In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >> alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >> >> It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >> this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >> the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >> with >> Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >> > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 21 15:45:53 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:53 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <42DFF01C.8020700@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 19:57 +0100, Alan Taylor wrote: > "The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good > ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone > can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no > fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid > and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. And, apparently, now a stick to hit Turner with. ("Nah, we never really liked those free-form acid daze; that's not real Hawkwind...") If Nik and co. want to be the Dark Star Orchestra of the Hawkwind scene then good luck to them. I'm sure they float someone's boat. (Personally, I think there probably *is* a niche market in "recreating" the early Hawkwind sound, but I suspect Space Ritual lack the musicianship[*] and, more importantly, the energy to do it really well.) I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... Cheers, Paul (deftly trying to avoid the True Hawkwind religious wars) [*] Because people usually want to recreate the myth rather than the reality, with rough edges sanded down. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 16:29:44 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Blows Against the Empire remaster In-Reply-To: <20050721102129.wwc8wokc0s8o8kc0@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: No good? The title alone had my interest. HMV in Harvard Square used to have the New World's Fare box set on display but I never had the sense to buy it. Maybe it's the stigma of being a Kollector. First used CD I succesfully bought and exchanged a day later only because I didn't like it: Space Bandits- exchanged for ... "Hawkwind The Collection" and now I can look back and watch my life go down the drain. Years later , spent a year with and nearly married the chick who worked there. Neither could she nor her jet propulsion engineer veteran father deal with the facts of a mental case innexplicably bent to harrangue about how stupid it is that no one's put a nuclear rocket in space yet even though there've been ground based mockups ever since the 1950s. NASA should be ashamed that they have still failed to one-up the soviets' solid state orbital reactor, and many of them are. Uranium 235 you know is perfectly safe to hold in your hand. It's been in the earth since the earth's conception- the statement of that gets across the idea that it's NOT very radioactive, by way of having such a slow decay rate- QUITE fissile however. The most sensible way to alchemize plutonium should that element be more practical- MAKE IT IN SPACE. It is even a side product of a space based uranium reactor. Make it out of orbit, and anyone equipped enough to bring it down to earth to poison your bodily fluids more than fossil combustion smoke, believe me, has much better things to do, and at the very least has all my support if the plan is to install a new world government with an initial phase of timocracy, even if it runs for decades like that. NOTE: Drill is mortified he is in posession of internet access and a legal prescription for amphetamines that he just picked up- it keeps him off of cheap ass vodka at least, no offense to the double eagle emblazoned on so many thousands of 1.75 liter plastic bottles. That was last night. Off to bother the motorcycle yard before 1700 US eastern atomic! Ciao! On 7/21/05, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > > > I see that ye olde sci-fi music project thingy _Blows Against the > > Empire_ is being re-released (in the UK, at least) in remastered form > > I never understood why people liked this. I thought it stank. I think this CD > has the distingusishing feature of being the first CD I ever sold/traded. :-) > > -- > David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu > "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. > I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, > I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, > all the light you see, all the air you breathe." > Light and Space - THRESHOLD > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 16:32:25 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:32:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Blows Against the Empire remaster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: USENET archives: John De Armond- for a refreshing look at the Nuclear Power crisis. Lousy Georgia white trash armchair son of a lamppost (Jimmy Carter)! From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 16:38:17 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:38:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Blows Against the Empire remaster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just had an agent (alternate personality) change my password on me. Pray that it takes a while to get the email generator back up. Last time I jumped this list I diverted my attention to heroically trying to get people on the orgonomy list to listen to orgone accumulator! Some good diatribe among self-proclaimed alchemists and "Reichian" psychiatrists, and more than a few who've read Sexpol and the Mass Psychology of Fascism. On 7/21/05, Drill wrote: > USENET archives: John De Armond- for a refreshing look at the Nuclear > Power crisis. Lousy Georgia white trash armchair son of a lamppost > (Jimmy Carter)! > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jul 21 17:03:58 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:03:58 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Well, I don't like picking on ole Nik, but wheres the drugs and playing for free. Had to pay each time I saw him. False advertising!!!! Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > "The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good > ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone > can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no > fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid > and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. > > Stephe wrote: > >> Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the >> REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe >> >> >>> In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >>> alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >>> >>> It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >>> this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >>> the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >>> with >>> Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jul 21 17:08:58 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:08:58 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi Paul, never got into the dead scene, so I can't relate to what your saying. Space ritual has been around since 2000 if memory serves me right. Heard a few gigs, which weren't that great, but I enjoyed. The setlist hasn't changed a whole lot over the years. Ho hum!!! Don't think I will pay $1000 to fly over to europe to see them play. I would do it for Brock + co. Maybe if Nik tried to recreate the Spirit of Sphynx it would be a bit more interesting. Cheers Stephe > > If Nik and co. want to be the Dark Star Orchestra of the Hawkwind scene > then good luck to them. I'm sure they float someone's boat. > (Personally, I think there probably *is* a niche market in "recreating" > the early Hawkwind sound, but I suspect Space Ritual lack the > musicianship[*] and, more importantly, the energy to do it really well.) > > I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought > of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember > most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, > and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... > > Cheers, > > Paul (deftly trying to avoid the True Hawkwind religious wars) > > [*] Because people usually want to recreate the myth rather than the > reality, with rough edges sanded down. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 20:21:50 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:21:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Petition for Hawkwind to headline Larmer Tree festival 2006. In-Reply-To: <42DF6474.4010603@aol.com> Message-ID: Next time I have ready access to a plotter I can run off a few HW posters of any picture that's high resolution enough. Don't know when that's going to be but I'll keep it in mind.* (A new plotting machine does high, high resolution printouts off a roll of stock paper, which is usually really dry and not glossy but presumably long lasting paper and you can frame it, forget what a typical width they're usually loaded with but it's something like 2.5 feet and probably a max of about 3.5! I ran off an awesome copy of one of the illustrations from A Cure For Cancer (Mike Moorcock), the one where Jerry Cornelius is standing in the trash can (or "dustbin"). Right now it's covering up gaping holes in the plaster wall of my conapt!) * Wish I was on the list at the time (2000) but at the same shop I was working in that had the plotter, get this, made a Hawkwind themed circuit board! 50 were manufactured no one the wiser about it but the tracks are unmistakeably in the shape of a 2-headed eagle on one side! The other side it's a one-headed eagle... It all came out subconsciously like that and it was a super efficient board- my condescending boss even remarked "it's beautiful!". He's tenuous about giving up the seven that were actually used (with components on them) but I got a blank one for myself and maybe by now I can rescue all the remaining ones- still have a friend who works at the place. Don't ask what they're for becuase I have to brag about it now- the assembled ones have a chip on them with 104G in the part number, and were literally nuked in a synchrotron accelerator, specifically shot through the avian heart with a sustained proton beam! Needless to say the REG104GA was trash but I couldn't have argued from the standpoint of mysticism, and so the circuit board was designed to fit all six voltage regulators within the radius of the beam. I did very little more than this for a year and the job is NOT a good reference for me as a result, but that is to be expected when I'm paid $8 an hour. And so, the ATLAS project at CERN has guaranteed-to-be radiation tolerant voltage regulators in their muon drift tube read-out electronics while I'm about to go live in the woods with a moped as my most valuable posession, or move to seattle because the police I think have it in for me should I return to my apartment. Oh they've searched the place and found terrible things but technicality of the law should exempt me as the case unfolds. In any case HAWKWIND!!! I mean, who do you think space travellers listen to, hopefully not jefferson starship or "Space Truckin" over and over again. On 7/21/05, Iain Ferguson wrote: > Hi, > > just to say went to the fantastic Larmer Tree festival last weekend. > Glorious weather & music. > > Stuck to one of the stages was a petition to try & get Hawkwind to > headline next year, And the petition looked rather well signed by the > end of the weekend. obviously a lot of love for the band from middle > England ( its a very safe, very child orientated festival) > > next to the petition there was a fantastic live hawkwind poster 30 x 18 > approx) obviously from the Space Ritual tour, and by far the best live > poster i've seen of the band. > > I really wanted the poster but didn't think it cool to rip if off... > > so hopefully they'll get the call from this lovely festival. > > and if anyone is aware of this poster and has a copy they are keen to > sell me, let me know. > > iain > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 20:46:22 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:46:22 -0400 Subject: One Eyed Assassin gig: NYC 9/17/05 Dave Adams (AOS), Mike Burro,Jay Adcock (OEB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh hell yeah! Got a trial to go to on the 1st and I think the only thing that can stop me is being in jail. The Fung Wah bus runs all the time between Chinatown Boston/NY and it's better than having to deal with a car. I think some other folks can make it is well. As for "oh god this freak's actually coming" let ya know he's not a criminal element in any sense other than the police don't like to find lab grade phosphorous on your workbench when your idiot roomate calls them over because his room was broken into. (What did he think they were they going to do, fix his door?) On 7/21/05, Burro Mike wrote: > Hello friends, > it is with great pleasure that I make the first announcement of this very > special one off gig!! > > Although the actual name on the billing is still ambiguous ( it could be One > Eyed Bishops, or SLOTERDIJK), depending on the management's decision;( ie > for name recognition), the gig is CONFIRMED. > > Dave Adams, bass assassin from 'Assassins of Silence' will be playing in a > special 'transcontinental spacerock lineup' which, also consists of Mike > Burro, Jay Adcock & Dr. Maria Ramundo of 'SLOTERDIJK' and/or The One Eyed > Bishops. > > * Maria is in permanent 'tentative' status due to motherhood etc... > > The gig will take place at The Baggot Inn, Greenwhich Village, Manhattan, > New York, New York; Saturday, September 17th 2005, and will be a set of > mostly Hawkwind music, with perhaps a Sloterdijk or OEB tune thrown in the > mix. We also plan to do a certain early instrumental piece by 'The Pink > Floyd'. This event is still developing, so we can't provide you with too > many other details at this moment, other than the fact that it is definite > and confirmed. The venue URL is: http://www.baggotinn.com > > Although we will be continuing to update you about the show, I advise that > you also periodically check the venue website ( especially from September 1 > on ). On any given Saturday there are usually 3-4 bands, so we don't yet > know what time we will go on, or who the other acts are. > That is not up to us, so please don't contact us about getting your band on > the bill, as this is not a festival, but rather a New York City one off gig. > > We are hoping to see many of the list members who live in the greater New > York/New Jersey area at this show..This will give many of you a chance to > see/meet Dave for the first time. > This is a really nice venue, and the place was packed the last time we > played there ( OEB 2/21/04 ). > > We look forward to joining forces for this show and hope to offer you a real > 'space rock spectacular'. > > FURTHER INFORMATION TO BE RELEASED AS IT IS RECEIVED....MARK YOUR CALENDARS! > > In future days you may also find additional information at: > > http://www.assassinsofsilence.com > http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk > http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk > http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 21:04:14 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:04:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gmail (Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: <1121964537.7274.36.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: The service is killer, compared with everything I've used in the past. No Spam, alot of user control and really well thought-out automatic organization of your messages. "Benevolently" what it does is scan your messages and fills about 1/18 of the screen with text blurbs and links to sponsors' pages. It's actually interesting even and hard to even notice if you don't want to. For example right now it thinks I like Fleetwood Mac and is helping me out by telling me where to download "billions of mp3s". But shortly after I started using it I got a message from someone about a Japanese woodcut illustration and it showed me where to buy them. Wasn't in the market, but hey, if I was I would have looked at the vendor. For free anonymously subscribed webmail it's way better than the annoying ghettos I've known in the past let's say. 2Gigs storage, POP, sophisticated or plain HTML webmail, the works and it's not even officially released! As for what they do for advertising if you use POP service I don't know yet since I don't get internet for my home computer right now. On 7/21/05, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 12:33 -0400, Drill wrote: > > > Gmail is excellent to me and they don't screw around, ever so far. The > > only problem I had earlier on was logging in with a dated Mac system > > and I quickly found a version of Firefox that would click through. > > Since then (gmail's still officially in beta testing) they've I think > > made a way through with POP3 and a more skeletal HTML version of their > > webmail. Give it a try, hardly even what you'd call a form to fill > > out. > > If Gmail is to support POP3, where will they put the targeted adverts? > Will they insert them directly into your e-mail? > > BTW, given the distaste Keith has shown in the past over store "loyalty > cards" and the profiling that goes with them, I doubt he'd be > comfortable using a service with serious privacy concerns like > Gmail. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 21:14:51 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:14:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gmail (Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: <1121964537.7274.36.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Just looked and it doesn't appear they send ads to you through the POP service. Only thing evil I've detected is they've turned me into some kind of unpaid spokesman! It's still on "invite only" but I can't give away invites fast enough anymore, always having 50 available these days so anyone who wants just give me an existing address and you'll receive a link to open an account, and soon you'll have too many of your own to even keep track of. Watch, I'll open another one within the next 4 minutes, hmmmm. drill.0000.0000.0010 is good. Password Hawkwind until some jerkenhoff changes it. Load it with MP3s they all have to be under 50MB I think. On 7/21/05, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 12:33 -0400, Drill wrote: > > > Gmail is excellent to me and they don't screw around, ever so far. The > > only problem I had earlier on was logging in with a dated Mac system > > and I quickly found a version of Firefox that would click through. > > Since then (gmail's still officially in beta testing) they've I think > > made a way through with POP3 and a more skeletal HTML version of their > > webmail. Give it a try, hardly even what you'd call a form to fill > > out. > > If Gmail is to support POP3, where will they put the targeted adverts? > Will they insert them directly into your e-mail? > > BTW, given the distaste Keith has shown in the past over store "loyalty > cards" and the profiling that goes with them, I doubt he'd be > comfortable using a service with serious privacy concerns like > Gmail. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 21:33:27 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:33:27 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <1121964537.7274.36.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Drill.0000.0000.0010 Password: HAWKWIND (password all caps) Done. A while back, actually, made coffee as well. Dropped 2 pictures into it for good measure. Dead Fred would love to max out the storage space with songs I'm sure- he ruined my friend's softhome account that way! From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Thu Jul 21 21:55:41 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:55:41 -0400 Subject: (slightly) room with a soul In-Reply-To: <004501c58da3$962bb680$6501a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: Yeah On 7/20/05, Mike Montfort wrote: > Great story Jill thanks for sharing that > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:33 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: (slightly) room with a soul From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 00:50:51 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:50:51 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:33 -0400, Drill wrote: > Drill.0000.0000.0010 > Password: HAWKWIND > (password all caps) > Done. A while back, actually, made coffee as well. Dropped 2 pictures > into it for good measure. Dead Fred would love to max out the storage > space with songs I'm sure- he ruined my friend's softhome account that > way! Is it okay if we use it to send harassing e-mail to people when necessary (logged in via anonymizer.com, naturally)? >;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 01:04:36 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:04:36 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <001001c58e38$69a23cc0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 17:08 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Hi Paul, never got into the dead scene, so I can't relate to what your > saying. I never got into the Dead scene, too, so I can't relate to what I'm saying, either. :-) (It was just the closest analogy I could come up with to what people were complaining about re: Space Ritual.) > Space ritual has been around since 2000 if memory serves me right. > Heard a few gigs, which weren't that great, but I enjoyed. The setlist > hasn't changed a whole lot over the years. Ho hum!!! Don't think I will pay > $1000 to fly over to europe to see them play. I would do it for Brock + co. If I had any idea what Brock Ltd. sounded like these days, I might agree with you. (Stupid trading policy eliminates any chance of that, though.) Sure, there have been some glowing reviews lately, but I've learnt over the years that a lot of hyperbole passes across this list[*] regarding gigs, so it's best to take things with a handful of salt before slapping down the $1000... :-) Cheers, Paul. [*] Though I have found the esteemed Mr. Jarrett to be brutally reliable a lot of the time. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "See this note I've got here in my hand? It says I've lost my gig to a tribute band." --- The Bevis Frond, "The Wind Blew All Around Me" From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 01:12:09 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:12:09 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <001001c58e38$69a23cc0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Don't think it was the same band but wasn't there a Space Ritual theme kind of tour in 1994? I'm starting to look around for bootleg videos at least of Hawkwind from around that time or earlier, hard to find that I guess because BBC owns the archive footage of whatever was actually recorded before video cameras were at anything, even at some horrible art gallery called the "Zeitgeist" that is soon to be damaged. Is there really any video recording of Sphynx or more than a few clips of shows from the 1980s? There's a live ICU video that was released commercially as part of a concert , however the only thing I've seen in a store was Love in Space, 1987 and it's just one show with giant Frank Frazetta projections and very kind of laid back like Pink Floyd but nowhere near that lurid and aseptic. Dave Brock had a Blue Oyster Cult shirt on! Ha! On 7/21/05, Stephe wrote: > Hi Paul, never got into the dead scene, so I can't relate to what your > saying. Space ritual has been around since 2000 if memory serves me right. > Heard a few gigs, which weren't that great, but I enjoyed. The setlist > hasn't changed a whole lot over the years. Ho hum!!! Don't think I will pay > $1000 to fly over to europe to see them play. I would do it for Brock + co. > Maybe if Nik tried to recreate the Spirit of Sphynx it would be a bit more > interesting. Cheers Stephe > > > > > If Nik and co. want to be the Dark Star Orchestra of the Hawkwind scene > > then good luck to them. I'm sure they float someone's boat. > > (Personally, I think there probably *is* a niche market in "recreating" > > the early Hawkwind sound, but I suspect Space Ritual lack the > > musicianship[*] and, more importantly, the energy to do it really well.) > > > > I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought > > of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember > > most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, > > and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul (deftly trying to avoid the True Hawkwind religious wars) > > > > [*] Because people usually want to recreate the myth rather than the > > reality, with rough edges sanded down. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 01:48:55 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:48:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gmail (Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:04 -0400, Drill wrote: > The service is killer, compared with everything I've used in the past. > No Spam, alot of user control and really well thought-out automatic > organization of your messages. "Benevolently" what it does is scan > your messages and fills about 1/18 of the screen with text blurbs and > links to sponsors' pages. It's actually interesting even and hard to > even notice if you don't want to. For example right now it thinks I > like Fleetwood Mac and is helping me out by telling me where to > download "billions of mp3s". But shortly after I started using it I > got a message from someone about a Japanese woodcut illustration and > it showed me where to buy them. Wasn't in the market, but hey, if I > was I would have looked at the vendor. For free anonymously subscribed > webmail it's way better than the annoying ghettos I've known in the > past let's say. 2Gigs storage, POP, sophisticated or plain HTML > webmail, the works and it's not even officially released! As for what > they do for advertising if you use POP service I don't know yet since > I don't get internet for my home computer right now. I'm familiar with what Gmail is, having in my time fended off enough people trying to foist invites on me. :-) (They can't seem to understand when I say "thanks, but no thanks.") Worse still, we have some folks in our lab who have interned with Google, and they come back like proselytising zombies. (It must be something Google puts in the Kool-Aid.) I'm glad you like the service. It's amazing to me what a corporation can buy for only 2 GiB of space... Cheers, Paul. PS: I run my own mail server, with a few tens of GiB of space for my e-mail. Plus, I know that when I delete an e-mail, it really is deleted. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained, yet..." --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 06:51:39 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:51:39 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi, Well if you can get the Spaced out in London cd, which I think was from Xmas 02 or 03. Its brilliant. There has been the cd that came out at last Xmas. Short, but not bad. Theres been a DVD Out of the shadows, which I never got, but I've heard was great. Then the snippets for the New one on Mission control. I know its skimpy, but for those who can't get to the gigs, we can still hear what goes on. The new one should be out soon, hopefully. We're getting the freebie in the post, if you have a passport. I agree that the gig reviews are opinions and not always the way it is. I've seen opinions where people have said they new stuff sucks. I'll quit babbling now. Cheers Stephe > If I had any idea what Brock Ltd. sounded like these days, I might agree > with you. (Stupid trading policy eliminates any chance of that, > though.) Sure, there have been some glowing reviews lately, but I've > learnt over the years that a lot of hyperbole passes across this list[*] > regarding gigs, so it's best to take things with a handful of salt > before slapping down the $1000... :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > [*] Though I have found the esteemed Mr. Jarrett to be brutally reliable > a lot of the time. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "See this note I've got here in my hand? > It says I've lost my gig to a tribute band." > --- The Bevis Frond, "The Wind Blew All Around Me" From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 06:59:41 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:59:41 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual 94 Message-ID: Hi Drill, The Space ritual from 94, was Nik Turner backed with Helios Creed and Farflung. Maybe even Del Dettmar. Can't remember without looking it up. Don't know about a Sphynx video recording. I'd like to get my hands on it, if it exists. Anyone know about that? I've seen a shitload of ICU stuff floating around. I think they used to sell Bootlegs of there material at gigs. The Blood and Bone video is pretty good, but very short. 3 songs. There used to be free downloads off the ICU website. Not sure if its still up. Been years since I was there. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drill" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > Don't think it was the same band but wasn't there a Space Ritual theme > kind of tour in 1994? I'm starting to look around for bootleg videos > at least of Hawkwind from around that time or earlier, hard to find > that I guess because BBC owns the archive footage of whatever was > actually recorded before video cameras were at anything, even at some > horrible art gallery called the "Zeitgeist" that is soon to be > damaged. Is there really any video recording of Sphynx or more than a > few clips of shows from the 1980s? There's a live ICU video that was > released commercially as part of a concert , however the only thing > I've seen in a store was Love in Space, 1987 and it's just one show > with giant Frank Frazetta projections and very kind of laid back like > Pink Floyd but nowhere near that lurid and aseptic. Dave Brock had a > Blue Oyster Cult shirt on! Ha! > From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Jul 22 06:53:55 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:53:55 +0100 Subject: Nik Space Ritual Message-ID: > "Hawkwind Fans Sue Turner: Demand Return of their Minds!" > It has a nice ring to it... I suppose I could try one of those - no result, no risk, no fee insurance hotlines.... "Have you been involved in an accident that wasn't your fault...." "umm - I think so, yes!" Maxine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Jul 22 07:02:10 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:02:10 +0100 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > > I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought > of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember > most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, > and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... Of which there is absolutley no comparison! > Cheers, > Paul (deftly trying to avoid the True Hawkwind religious wars) And failing miserably ;-) Maxine From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jul 22 07:33:09 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:33:09 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <42DFE50D.3020506@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Well yea sure if you want an old tired retreaded repetitions of how the band played in the past, then you are sure to be disappointed in SpaceRitual. Of course if you are looking for that in Hawkwind you will be to. However if you are interested in how one of the founding musicians is reinterpreting some of the older songs, many of which he cowrote, then by all means open your mind and open your ears. The jazzy feel is brilliant! Not comepletely unlike a couple of the tracks off the new Hawkwind samples IMHO. Personally I think the recording of the Roadburn Festival is one of the better things I've heard in a great while. Yea I can pull out any old live disc and hear the same basic version of the same basic songs from any era I want. Here I can hear a new interpretation by a very tight band That goes for Hawkwind too by the way. Their sound today is nothing like it was back in the alleged "good old days" which I never attended, but have heard, and really were not that good technically. Frankly they are much better musicians now anyway. Well that's my two cents on this bruhaha on Nik and SpaceRitual. Boiled down it is this: if you are looking for a bunch of loose muscians slagging away at perfectly reproduced old Hawk tunes from a by gone ear then this is not for you. Mike From denis at PTI-INC.DE Fri Jul 22 09:31:48 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:31:48 +0200 Subject: [OFF] Bavarian Planes (was: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: <20050721102905.66235.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On 21.07.2005, at 12:29, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.P.S. Denis...are those your planes flying over my head here in > Bavaria every morning? Or are they Ami's? Depends on where you're exactly. But if the planes are 30-year old F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than they're definitely ours ;-) (c)IAO D'next year we'll get the Eurofighter...'+R np: Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing" From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Jul 22 09:42:07 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:42:07 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual 94 In-Reply-To: <001101c58eac$76396840$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Quoting Stephe : > Hi Drill, The Space ritual from 94, was Nik Turner backed with Helios Creed > and Farflung. Maybe even Del Dettmar. Can't remember without looking it up. Yup, Del was there playing his Synthi-Axe. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 10:17:31 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:17:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gmail (Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: <1122011335.1458.29.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 7/22/05, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:04 -0400, Drill wrote: > > The service is killer, compared with everything I've used in the past. > > No Spam, alot of user control and really well thought-out automatic > > organization of your messages. "Benevolently" what it does is scan > > your messages and fills about 1/18 of the screen with text blurbs and > > links to sponsors' pages. It's actually interesting even and hard to > > even notice if you don't want to. For example right now it thinks I > > like Fleetwood Mac and is helping me out by telling me where to > > download "billions of mp3s". But shortly after I started using it I > > got a message from someone about a Japanese woodcut illustration and > > it showed me where to buy them. Wasn't in the market, but hey, if I > > was I would have looked at the vendor. For free anonymously subscribed > > webmail it's way better than the annoying ghettos I've known in the > > past let's say. 2Gigs storage, POP, sophisticated or plain HTML > > webmail, the works and it's not even officially released! As for what > > they do for advertising if you use POP service I don't know yet since > > I don't get internet for my home computer right now. > > I'm familiar with what Gmail is, having in my time fended off enough > people trying to foist invites on me. :-) (They can't seem to > understand when I say "thanks, but no thanks.") Worse still, we have > some folks in our lab who have interned with Google, and they come back > like proselytising zombies. (It must be something Google puts in the > Kool-Aid.) I'm glad you like the service. It's amazing to me what a > corporation can buy for only 2 GiB of space... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: I run my own mail server, with a few tens of GiB of space for my > e-mail. Plus, I know that when I delete an e-mail, it really is > deleted. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "We know you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained, yet..." > --- Hawkwind, "Utopia" > Hear hear. If I weren't a cheapskate I'd get an account with portalofevil because you can choose from domains like destroy.the.us and chlamydiaisnotaflower.com. Drank some Koolaid yesterday and that animate pitcher thing always seems willing to help out with things. It's in the order of things to persuade long-time acquaintances to stop using softhome.net* like rats on a sinking ship. But there is some kind of pathology in mentioning Gmail anytime the subject comes up. They're a front of the US National Security Agency. They get on your case telling you to NOT delete old messages, which many people normally wouldn't because they sometimes need to recover needed information or they send notes to themselves to have access to from the web. There's all kinds of hypnotic suggestions, you pick things up that a re written all over the edges of the screen " why delete your messages, silly? Relax! Leave everything to us! We're Google, we can do anything, here have some money, not kidding! We want nothing from you!" *(server always on the fritz and over the course of years the operators got more jaded and nasty towards all the freeloaders. Finally they were imposing a 100 message storage limit (100+ msgs on their server and they start rejecting any incoming mail ) and they made sure you'd get betwen 10 and 30 unsolicited ads a day so you'd throw up your hands and order the "professional" service!) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 10:21:19 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:21:19 -0400 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <42E0E050.25876.F726D5F@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 12:02 +0100, Maxine Wesley wrote: > > From: Paul Mather > > Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > > > > > I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought > > of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember > > most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, > > and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... > > Of which there is absolutley no comparison! I agree! There's absolutely no comparison between a bunch of geezers trying to revisit a bygone era by playing a set of 1970-72 material, and, um... a bunch of geezers trying to revisit a bygone era by playing a set of 1973-75 material. I mean, they're like, you know, completely different years for a start... ;-) (I guess the comparison you're making is that you believe one lot to be crap, musically, and the other great. That's a wholly different point to the one I was making. Maybe the lesson to be taken away from all of this is that Lemmy has a free pass to play an oldies set whenever he wants, but not Nik.:) > > Cheers, > > Paul (deftly trying to avoid the True Hawkwind religious wars) > > And failing miserably ;-) Which is sad, really, because I thought I studiously avoided saying whether I thought Space Ritual sounded like a load of toss or not. (I was musing on some apparent double standards on display, and the fundamental right to exist of a Hawkwind tribute band.) But, I must remember that for some in this Dave/Nik schism, "if you're not with us you're against us," and so failing to damn one side might label me as an avid supporter of the other (especially in the eyes of someone who had recently suffered an embarrassingly crap gig by one of the sides---just kidding!:). Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "All will pay who disagree with me!" --- Steppenwolf, "Don't Step on the Grass, Sam" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 10:26:35 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:26:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tonight! Hibachi Dealers @ Man on the Moon, Cambridge, UK Message-ID: For forms sake, if nothing else, here's a public service gig announcement :) As proof of fundamental flaws in the nature of the universe, the "little band made up mostly of people I work with", The Hibachi Dealers return (again!) to headline tonight Friday, 22 July, at The Man on the Moon on Norfolk St., Cambridge, UK. Supporting acts are One Mile High (again!) and Science Never Sleeps (all the way from, ah, Oxford!). Though inevitably still not very good, we are at least as loud as ever :) For good or for ill, we won't retread any Space-Ritual era material (though we've only one fewer member of Hawkwind's 1972 lineup than either current HW or Nik's gang ;) and we won't sound much like Status Quo (otherwise we'd probably be more successful :) Doors open, um, sometime around 7.30 I imagine, but it hardly matters since the bar on the other side of the venue will be open already anyway :) First two bands are due to go on at 8 and then 9, with us going on at 10pm. (I think I've got us tune to finish just in time to get a last order in at the bar, with any luck :) Further info at: Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Jul 22 10:29:32 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:29:32 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue In-Reply-To: <004501c58da3$962bb680$6501a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: In case you haven't seen it, Q Magazine have published a special edition on "prog rock" and it contains a six page feature on Hawkwind. It's basically a biog with some nice pics and a few interviews (Doug Smith, Lemmy). There's lovely pic of Stacia in full swing and a great black and white shot from 1987 when they were promoting "Kerb Crawler". This is Q's "Flights of Fancy - 10 truly cosmic aural trips" Hurry on Sundown Master Of The Universe Silver Machine Orgone Accumulator Sonic Attack Motorhead Back On The Streets Hassan I Sabha Spirit Of The Age Motorway City The rest of the mag contains features on your standard prog-fare - Pink Floyd, Genesis, YES, Marillion, Rush, Jethro Tull, ELP, etc. It costs ?5.99 ($10) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 22 10:32:32 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:32:32 +0000 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind Message-ID: > > > I admit I did chuckle at people decrying "heresy!" at the mere thought > > > of Space Ritual doing what they are doing, mainly because I remember > > > most folks creaming themselves when the Hawkestra event was announced, > > > and the attendant possibility of a "Lemmy-era" mini-set... > > > > Of which there is absolutley no comparison! > > I agree! There's absolutely no comparison between a bunch of geezers > trying to revisit a bygone era by playing a set of 1970-72 material, > and, um... a bunch of geezers trying to revisit a bygone era by playing > a set of 1973-75 material. I mean, they're like, you know, completely > different years for a start... ;-) > > (I guess the comparison you're making is that you believe one lot to be > crap, musically, and the other great. That's a wholly different point > to the one I was making. Maybe the lesson to be taken away from all of > this is that Lemmy has a free pass to play an oldies set whenever he > wants, but not Nik.:) No, I think the difference was that it was the anticipation of seeing Dave, Lemmy and Nik (plus Simon, Del, Dik Mik maybe even Simon King - until close to the time we didn't really know who was going to show at the Hawkestra) playing these oldies as opposed to to Nik and a bunch of guys who's stay in the band was fairly fleeting and who didn't write all these classics*. Nick * Crimble and Anderson's claims in recent biographies not withstanding ;-) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 10:37:09 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:37:09 +0100 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <1122042079.74592.18.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 22/07/2005 15:21, Paul Mather wrote: > Maybe the lesson to be taken away from all of > this is that Lemmy has a free pass to play an oldies set whenever he > wants, but not Nik.:) But Lemmy is God! Also, he has a tighter band than Nik :) > Which is sad, really, because I thought I studiously avoided saying > whether I thought Space Ritual sounded like a load of toss or not We have to leave room for *any* band to sound like a load of toss, since even bands that are usually quite good and it within them to sound like a load of toss, and it behooves us as griping fans to take them to task for it when they do :) Cheers, Carl, who always thought that the true spirit of Hawkwind was encapsulated in the unlikely miracle of a bunch of wasted freaks making a hell of a noise that actually sounded pretty cool :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Fri Jul 22 10:58:42 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:58:42 +0100 Subject: The true Spirit of Hawkwind - I'll have a double! Message-ID: > From: GutterCat at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > > In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, > alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > > It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think > that this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay > claim to the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of > Hawkwind', I'm with Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. Hurrah and thrice hurrah! > I guess it's for people stuck in the past who firmly believe that > "those were the days". I don't even think people who thought 'those were the days' would appreciate what Nik is doing... with the exception (perhaps) of Lonnie Donnegan or Chic Korea (on acid)? >What I keep telling people who ask me about > Hawkwind is about posts to the lists when they are on tour. That > people have been seeing them for over 30 years and those people are > saying that the gig they have just seen was the best. When i mention HAwkwind people tend to respond with one or more of the following: 1. "Ah! Hawkwind!, Silver Machine!", 2. "Are they still going?' 3. "I saw them in 197x (or whatever year - normally late 70's early eighties) 4. "They were great" My response: "They're better now...You should see them now they can play their instruments!!" (you might think that demeans them as they were but I am trying to make the point (For me)... Hawkwind have evolved, and improved. There are some who won't consider venturing to a HW gig now - for them HW was the time of their youths and they are fixed with an image of what they saw then, (for better or for worse) - & sadly there is little 'evidence' of what HW have been to convince them to have another look - live recordings (that i am privvy to) have never reflected their ability to spell bind an audience...on top form... if only you could capture the sound & spirit of a HW concert and bottle it, I'd drink it!!? cheers Maxine From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 11:08:05 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: No he's not :-) Message-ID: Lemmy is gone. Alan Davey blows Lemmy away. Alan is god. Who cares about Lemmy. He doesn't even play Space rock anymore. Last time I saw him it was so loud it sounded like shit. I bet Space Ritual.net sound better than that. Cheers Stephe > But Lemmy is God! From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Jul 22 10:58:11 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:58:11 +0100 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <42E10495.1030905@carlaz.com> Message-ID: The true spirit of hawkwind is whenever they are playing live & at full tilt. Its happened a number of times for me over the past 26 years I've been watching them, with various band members & at various types of gig. Treeworgy, Glastonbury, Bridport football club, Brixton, Bath, to name a few. I cant wait for the new new CD, and the freebie in the post will be a treasured momento & really cool. I just wished 2 things could happen. 1. all this Nik v Dave would disapear, shame that it is probibly being perpetuated through here. I'm sure Dave & Nik don't give toss. And if there is still bad air that these 2 old men could finally sit down and share a peace pipe.... 2. That the sound track to the hawkwind cira 1973 film footage was found, so we could get some actual footage of the band from that period. regards iain ( bristol) From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 11:06:34 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <1122007851.1458.2.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Does that work? Someone showed me a way to employ international proxy servers but I don't remember the details or how it could be so effective. I can't use anything useful with the free anonymizer, specifically email and internet-phone relay services. But tangible enemies are the key to the Universe! You need to throw a monkey wrench into the machine it's not just okay people want to assist! Phone in with AT&T relay service and they fall prey to a simulation program they believe is a dead relative with money. Get their work fax # and have them know they're cornered. Any one thing, garbled heiroglyphics burned into the lawn. Honey get the door help yourself to a sample of volatized dimethyl tryptamine? The hallucinations are normal just fight it off! Jikes you need help! I'm outta here. Off to the movie theater now, the CINEMA? Carrying MACE these days? What have you done?! It leaked out right at the plot's zenith and now people with respiratory conditions were hospitalized as a result! Those cheap canisters leak in your pocket, that's why I use police SABRE brand. But this is a matter for the courts! On 7/22/05, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:33 -0400, Drill wrote: > > Drill.0000.0000.0010 > > Password: HAWKWIND > > (password all caps) > > Done. A while back, actually, made coffee as well. Dropped 2 pictures > > into it for good measure. Dead Fred would love to max out the storage > > space with songs I'm sure- he ruined my friend's softhome account that > > way! > > Is it okay if we use it to send harassing e-mail to people when > necessary (logged in via anonymizer.com, naturally)? >;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 11:17:04 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:17:04 +0100 Subject: No he's not :-) In-Reply-To: <001401c58ecf$296952f0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On 22/07/2005 16:08, Stephe wrote: > Lemmy is gone. Alan Davey blows Lemmy away. Alan is god. Who cares about > Lemmy. He doesn't even play Space rock anymore. Last time I saw him it was > so loud it sounded like shit. I bet Space Ritual.net sound better than > that. Well, to each their own! :) I've enjoyed every Motorhead gig I've ever been to, and I've got my tickets for the Cambridge show on this autumn's tour (assuming the old bastard lives that long ;) Besides, I saw it in a movie that Lemmy is god --it must be true! ;) That said, I'm not going to dispute Alan being a great bass player; I was pretty blown away the first time I saw HW with him. Though, actually, I've never been so impressed as when I saw Alan touring with Bedouin. No one will ever convince me that all the sequenced synth stuff in recent Hawkwind is a Good Thing, and I found it even easier to appreciate Alan's playing in a more stripped down setting. Indeed, when Bedouin were touring, I thought they were better than HW at the time by a long shot. Were I God (instead of Lemmy ;) I'd force HW to ditch the sequencing; they could keep the keys/synth player, but they would have to take on a dedicated audio-generator/theremin dude :) The Brock/Davey/Chadwick lineup is a great, great core ... it's just the "ornamentation" around it that has not always sat right with me. Also, Dave would have to play enormous wah-guitar solos all the time, with "Upside Down" teased or encored at every gig ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 11:18:20 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:18:20 -0400 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <42E10495.1030905@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 15:37 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Cheers, > Carl, who always thought that the true spirit of Hawkwind was > encapsulated in the unlikely miracle of a bunch of wasted freaks making > a hell of a noise that actually sounded pretty cool :) Then by that yardstick, a bunch of people sitting around spending months (years?) meticulously programming instruments into computers so songs sound exactly right doesn't much fit the "true spirit of Hawkwind" bill. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jul 22 11:22:16 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:22:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: anonymizers (was Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Drill wrote: :Subject: Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. : :Does that work? Someone showed me a way to employ international proxy :servers but I don't remember the details or how it could be so :effective. I can't use anything useful with the free anonymizer, :specifically email and internet-phone relay services. But tangible [snip] :> Is it okay if we use it to send harassing e-mail to people when :> necessary (logged in via anonymizer.com, naturally)? >;-) [snip] Web anonymizers work brilliantly if you are using web-based mail clients. If you are using POP(S), IMAP(S), or MAPI (for you Exchange-loving fiends out there), then anonymizing is a bit more tricky. If you are in a SMTP-AUTH scenario, then perhaps you want to rethink the need to anonymize ;-) If you want to do your own anonymization for web-based mail products (or web surfing in general), you can download and use one of the handy-dandy web proxy tools (normally used for security research). I happen to like webproxy (used to be free from the now defunct Lopht/atstake crew) and webscarab (from owasp.org.) Remember to set up your own regex's, though, for anonymity, as by default most proxy tools don't remove your identifying info. I'd also change the user agent strings, just in case someone is blocking your particular proxy ;-) Arin (web application security person by day ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 11:24:11 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:24:11 +0100 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <1122045500.74592.28.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 22/07/2005 16:18, Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 15:37 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson always though: >> the true spirit of Hawkwind was >> encapsulated in the unlikely miracle of a bunch of wasted freaks making >> a hell of a noise that actually sounded pretty cool :) > > Then by that yardstick, a bunch of people sitting around spending months > (years?) meticulously programming instruments into computers so songs > sound exactly right doesn't much fit the "true spirit of Hawkwind" > bill. :-) No, not by that yardstick, no ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jul 22 11:33:56 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:33:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Recent gigs Message-ID: Questions galore: Has anyone here been to a gig with the new bass player and drummer? How are they? Has the setlist changed at all? Brian P.S. I went to Ozzfest last night and once again thought of how cool it would be for BOC to play an "all-heavy" set there. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 22 11:43:18 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:43:18 -0400 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <6447325.1122042752118.JavaMail.?@fh1004.dia.cp.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 14:32 +0000, nick.lee2 at virgin.net wrote: > No, I think the difference was that it was the anticipation of seeing Dave, > Lemmy and Nik (plus Simon, Del, Dik Mik maybe even Simon King - until close > to the time we didn't really know who was going to show at the Hawkestra) > playing these oldies as opposed to to Nik and a bunch of guys who's stay > in the band was fairly fleeting and who didn't write all these classics*. > > Nick > > * Crimble and Anderson's claims in recent biographies not withstanding ;-) Well, you know, when it comes down purely to longevity in the band and songs written, Lemmy doesn't score very well himself. So I guess it must be more a case of "iconic status" at play here than numbers of hours logged or classics penned. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 11:53:38 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:53:38 +0100 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <1122046998.74592.32.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 22/07/2005 16:43, Paul Mather wrote: > Well, you know, when it comes down purely to longevity in the band and > songs written, Lemmy doesn't score very well himself. So I guess it > must be more a case of "iconic status" at play here than numbers of > hours logged or classics penned. Did Lemmy actually write any Hawkwind songs besides "The Watcher" and "Motorhead"? On the other hand, in combo with Simon King, his bass playing gave a *major* boost to the band's existing material when he joined, as well as the new stuff Dave and Nik (and Bob) were penning when he was in. IMO, listening to the recordings lo! these many years later Dave played better when Lemmy was there (whether in inspiration or competition ;) Mind you, I think Dave plays better with Alan there, too. Hawkwind seems to work best when the bassist seems to have the mindset of a guitarist and is well up front and in your face :) Actually, *everything* in Hawkwind should be well up front and in one's face. (Except the Dreaded Sequencers! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 12:19:43 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:19:43 -0400 Subject: No he's not :-) Message-ID: > On 22/07/2005 16:08, Stephe wrote: >> Lemmy is gone. Alan Davey blows Lemmy away. Alan is god. Who cares about >> Lemmy. He doesn't even play Space rock anymore. Last time I saw him it >> was >> so loud it sounded like shit. I bet Space Ritual.net sound better than >> that. > > Well, to each their own! :) I've enjoyed every Motorhead gig I've ever > been to, and I've got my tickets for the Cambridge show on this autumn's > tour (assuming the old bastard lives that long ;) Well if your a Motorhead fan, then you could appreciate him more. Just like I do Nik. I did enjoy Motorhead when they weren't the headliners. It wasn't as loud and I could hear what they were playing easily. Lemmy hasn't played in HW for 30 years now and its bothersome when folks just say the Lemmy era was the best. Theres alot of good stuff since then. At least in my opinion. > Besides, I saw it in a movie that Lemmy is god --it must be true! ;) Which movie is this? > That said, I'm not going to dispute Alan being a great bass player; I > was pretty blown away the first time I saw HW with him. Though, > actually, I've never been so impressed as when I saw Alan touring with > Bedouin. No one will ever convince me that all the sequenced synth > stuff in recent Hawkwind is a Good Thing, and I found it even easier to > appreciate Alan's playing in a more stripped down setting. Indeed, when > Bedouin were touring, I thought they were better than HW at the time by > a long shot. Thought the same at Hawkfest 02. > Were I God (instead of Lemmy ;) I'd force HW to ditch the sequencing; > they could keep the keys/synth player, but they would have to take on a > dedicated audio-generator/theremin dude :) The Brock/Davey/Chadwick > lineup is a great, great core ... it's just the "ornamentation" around > it that has not always sat right with me. Also, Dave would have to play > enormous wah-guitar solos all the time, with "Upside Down" teased or > encored at every gig ;) Now that Dave's playing more guitar, I'm looking forward to seeing them again. I'm not much into sequencing either. Cheers Stephe > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jul 22 12:26:53 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:26:53 +0100 Subject: No he's not :-) In-Reply-To: <000601c58ed9$2b230550$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On 22/07/2005 17:19, Stephe wrote: > Lemmy hasn't played > in HW for 30 years now and its bothersome when folks just say the Lemmy era > was the best. Theres alot of good stuff since then. At least in my opinion. I agree that there's been a lot of good stuff since then, which I won't take a page listing now :) but I've got to be honest and say that my favorite HW recordings are from the "Lemmy-era". That's not necessarily *because* Lemmy was in the band then -- certainly not because "that's how I remember them" because I must have been like 6 months old when Lemmuy joined :) But it just works out that way for me. >> Besides, I saw it in a movie that Lemmy is god --it must be true! ;) > > Which movie is this? _Airheads_! Not, ah, the recipient of any Oscars, but entertaining enough :) Though since the film came out, I remember someone in an interview asking Lemmy if he was God, and Lemmy saying he had seen God on acid, and God was taller. Good answer ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Jul 22 13:18:53 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:18:53 +0100 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <200507221533.j6MFXuP8025920@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: I haven't seen them as they haven't played outside the US yet but a number of UK fans already have and I've heard a few recordings of their recent shows. The word up is that the new bassist (Richie Castellano) is outstanding. He's originally a six string player and plays a five string bass like a lead guitar for BOC. Jules Rodino, the drummer, was trained by former BOC drummer John Miceli and you can hear it in the pounding he gives his kit. He even uses the foot pedal more during Cities on Flame, unlike Bobby Rondinelli. The sets haven't changed much although lately they started playing Career of Evil again. Here's a set list from a show they did earlier this year. Possibly the best show they've done since the new boys arrived on board. 24 March 2005 The Jungle Eugene Oregon 01 The Red & The Black 02 Teen Archer 03 Burnin' For You 04 Transmaniacon MC 05 Perfect Water 06 Lips in the Hills 07 Unknown Tongue 08 I Love The Night 09 Flaming Telepaths 10 Cities On Flame 11 Harvest Moon 12 Golden Age of Leather 13 Godzilla 14 The Vigil 15 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 16 Black Blade 17 Hot Rails To Hell In case you haven't seen it, this is a great place for BOC concert info - www.hotrails.co.uk. (It's where I got that set list from!) It's got hundreds and hundreds of set lists and loads of other really cool info, such as interviews with former band members, road crew, etc. The site owner, Ralph, loves posting fan gig reviews, particularly the "first time with BOC" experience. Send him some reviews, photos, etc. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you. Tony From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Jul 22 13:26:23 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:26:23 -0400 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <000101c58ee1$6f416670$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: Quoting Tony : > Here's a set list from a show they did earlier this year. Possibly the best > show they've done since the new boys arrived on board. > > 24 March 2005 > The Jungle Eugene Oregon > > 01 The Red & The Black > 02 Teen Archer > 03 Burnin' For You > 04 Transmaniacon MC > 05 Perfect Water > 06 Lips in the Hills > 07 Unknown Tongue > 08 I Love The Night > 09 Flaming Telepaths > 10 Cities On Flame > 11 Harvest Moon > 12 Golden Age of Leather > 13 Godzilla > 14 The Vigil > 15 (Don't Fear) The Reaper > 16 Black Blade > 17 Hot Rails To Hell Great googly-moogly! That is one awesome setlist! -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 15:10:44 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:10:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: anonymizers (was Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/22/05, Arin Komins wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Drill wrote: > > :Subject: Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc. > : > :Does that work? Someone showed me a way to employ international proxy > :servers but I don't remember the details or how it could be so > :effective. I can't use anything useful with the free anonymizer, > :specifically email and internet-phone relay services. But tangible > > [snip] > > :> Is it okay if we use it to send harassing e-mail to people when > :> necessary (logged in via anonymizer.com, naturally)? >;-) > > [snip] > > Web anonymizers work brilliantly if you are using web-based mail clients. > If you are using POP(S), IMAP(S), or MAPI (for you Exchange-loving fiends > out there), then anonymizing is a bit more tricky. If you are in a > SMTP-AUTH scenario, then perhaps you want to rethink the need to anonymize > ;-) > > If you want to do your own anonymization for web-based mail products (or > web surfing in general), you can download and use one of the handy-dandy > web proxy tools (normally used for security research). I happen to like > webproxy (used to be free from the now defunct Lopht/atstake crew) and > webscarab (from owasp.org.) Clueless at the time but I remember when Lophtcrack was the new heroic thing to the hackers. Almost got to watch someone test it on one of the university computers but they were too late to the punch, I guess thanks to all the attention around the issue the IT office picked up the slack real fast! > > Remember to set up your own regex's, though, for anonymity, as by default > most proxy tools don't remove your identifying info. I'd also change the > user agent strings, just in case someone is blocking your particular proxy Important stuff I'll need to look into it more not having any cohesive foundations in the subject. Played with a few tools like NMap and a security themed diagnostics package (Helix) but didn't have any ideas for what to do with them! Knowing how to surf anonymously though seems like something too sensible to put off forever. > ;-) > > Arin > (web application security person by day ;-) ) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 15:19:25 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:19:25 -0400 Subject: The true sprit of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <42E11682.9090101@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 7/22/05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 22/07/2005 16:43, Paul Mather wrote: > > Well, you know, when it comes down purely to longevity in the band and > > songs written, Lemmy doesn't score very well himself. So I guess it > > must be more a case of "iconic status" at play here than numbers of > > hours logged or classics penned. > > Did Lemmy actually write any Hawkwind songs besides "The Watcher" and > "Motorhead"? On the other hand, in combo with Simon King, his bass Didn't he in some interview claim to have not written the lyrics to Watcher, giving credit (I think) to Simon King? > playing gave a *major* boost to the band's existing material when he > joined, as well as the new stuff Dave and Nik (and Bob) were penning > when he was in. IMO, listening to the recordings lo! these many years > later Dave played better when Lemmy was there (whether in inspiration or > competition ;) > > Mind you, I think Dave plays better with Alan there, too. Hawkwind > seems to work best when the bassist seems to have the mindset of a > guitarist and is well up front and in your face :) > > Actually, *everything* in Hawkwind should be well up front and in one's > face. (Except the Dreaded Sequencers! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Fri Jul 22 15:30:02 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:30:02 -0400 Subject: No he's not :-) In-Reply-To: <001401c58ecf$296952f0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On 7/22/05, Stephe wrote: > Lemmy is gone. Alan Davey blows Lemmy away. Alan is god. Who cares about > Lemmy. He doesn't even play Space rock anymore. Last time I saw him it was > so loud it sounded like shit. I bet Space Ritual.net sound better than > that. > Cheers Stephe > > > But Lemmy is God! What's with that? Only heard anything that loud a few times in my life as two motorhead shows where I was near the front, first the inability to discern any kind of normal sound then that high pitch warbling noise that could be some kind of ear tissue trauma. -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Jul 22 16:23:45 2005 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:23:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <200507221533.j6MFXuP8025920@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: >Questions galore: > >Has anyone here been to a gig with the new bass player and drummer? > >How are they? > >Has the setlist changed at all? > > > > I saw them last week and thought they were great. Loved the long version of "Last Days Of May". The bass player was a real ball of energy, running all over the stage. They were opening for Whitesnake which meant a short set list, heavy on the classics. I'm not sure if anything written after 1981 was played. Brain Surgeons coming to town August 12th. (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Fri Jul 22 17:16:06 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:16:06 -0600 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <000101c58ee1$6f416670$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: I'd love to see them play this set. Any idea who is singing "Hot Rails to Hell"? Brad > 01 The Red & The Black > 02 Teen Archer > 03 Burnin' For You > 04 Transmaniacon MC > 05 Perfect Water > 06 Lips in the Hills > 07 Unknown Tongue > 08 I Love The Night > 09 Flaming Telepaths > 10 Cities On Flame > 11 Harvest Moon > 12 Golden Age of Leather > 13 Godzilla > 14 The Vigil > 15 (Don't Fear) The Reaper > 16 Black Blade > 17 Hot Rails To Hell From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Jul 22 17:28:54 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:28:54 +0100 Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders Message-ID: Hi, I'm sure this has already been posted, but you can now pre-order TMTYL on Amazon. Couldn't find it last week. And there's a cool looking DVD - Out of The Shadows which I must have missed the memo on as well.... Sam :-) From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:47:02 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:47:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders In-Reply-To: <009d01c58f04$5db6f640$d5020356@sampc> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Sam Kirwan wrote: :Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders : :Hi, : :I'm sure this has already been posted, but you can now pre-order TMTYL on Amazon. Couldn't find it last week. And there's a cool looking DVD - Out of The Shadows which I must have missed the memo on as well.... So I see 2 entries for it (see http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=music&field-keywords=take%20me%20to%20your%20%20leader%20hawkwind/ref=xs_ap_sai1_xgl/026-2348596-0522863). Anyone know which one is the one w/DVD? (...and could you post the direct amazon link, please?) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 18:19:32 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:19:32 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the age single Message-ID: Looks like theres going to be 2 versions of this. Anyone know anything? Cheers Stephe http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/202-0903700-7162226 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 18:25:37 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:25:37 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the age single Message-ID: Sorry, first link was bad. Heres the correct ones. Cheers Stephe http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8H2/qid=1122070466/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_10_9/202-0903700-7162226 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8GS/qid=1122070517/sr=1-11/ref=sr_1_0_11/202-0903700-7162226 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 18:26:37 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:26:37 -0400 Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders Message-ID: Hi Arin, How are you? Maybe both links are good, but from different shops. Just a guess here. Cheers Stephe > On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Sam Kirwan wrote: > > :Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders > : > :Hi, > : > :I'm sure this has already been posted, but you can now pre-order TMTYL on > Amazon. Couldn't find it last week. And there's a cool looking DVD - Out > of The Shadows which I must have missed the memo on as well.... > > So I see 2 entries for it (see > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=music&field-keywords=take%20me%20to%20your%20%20leader%20hawkwind/ref=xs_ap_sai1_xgl/026-2348596-0522863). > Anyone know which one is the one w/DVD? > > (...and could you post the direct amazon link, please?) > > Thanks! > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:15:30 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:15:30 -0500 Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders In-Reply-To: <001a01c58f0c$6ca920d0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Stephe wrote: :Subject: Re: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders : :Hi Arin, How are you? Maybe both links are good, but from different shops. :Just a guess here. Cheers Stephe Hiya Stephe! Looks like the links are both to amazon proper, though. Hopefully Sam will let us know what the correct URL she was looking at was ;-) (...so, Sam....help?) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 22 20:06:19 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:06:19 -0400 Subject: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders question for the Brits Message-ID: Hi, Never ordered from Amazon.UK. Do individual shops list like this link?(below). In the US, Amazon lists the shops when you click the link for the item. Can anyone in the UK confirm how it works there? Cheers Stephe http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dmusic%26field-keywords%3Dtake%20me%20to%20your%20%20leader%20hawkwind/ref%3Dxs%5Fap%5Fsai1%5Fxgl/202-0903700-7162226 > :Subject: Re: TMTYL - Amazon pre-orders > : > :Hi Arin, How are you? Maybe both links are good, but from different > shops. > :Just a guess here. Cheers Stephe > > Hiya Stephe! Looks like the links are both to amazon proper, though. > Hopefully Sam will let us know what the correct URL she was looking at was > ;-) > > (...so, Sam....help?) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Sat Jul 23 05:11:17 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:11:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: anonymizers (was Re: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Drill wrote: >Important stuff I'll need to look into it more not having any cohesive >foundations in the subject. Played with a few tools like NMap and a >security themed diagnostics package (Helix) but didn't have any ideas >for what to do with them! Knowing how to surf anonymously though seems >like something too sensible to put off forever. > > > Yes, especially in the coming (or maybe already this, who knows?) day and age, where an Ebay-search for "Urban Guerrilla" will be (is?) an act of terrorism. Do you think you can slip that CD into the player when your friendly local SWAT team is holding you at gunpoint in your bed? Gr, Arjan Hulsebos From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Jul 23 23:27:48 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:27:48 -0400 Subject: Recent gigs Message-ID: Tony wrote: > 02 Teen Archer > 04 Transmaniacon MC > 07 Unknown Tongue > 08 I Love The Night > 16 Black Blade > 17 Hot Rails To Hell Wow. I Love the Night? I never expected them to play that live. Same for Hot Rails. If they only play three out of the six songs above in Rochester, I'll be thrilled. > In case you haven't seen it, this is a great place for BOC concert info - > www.hotrails.co.uk. (It's where I got that set list from!) Thanks for pointing me there, Tony. Brian From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Sun Jul 24 06:39:11 2005 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:39:11 +0200 Subject: Space Ritual 2005 Roadburn Message-ID: Hello, Does anybody have a set list and date for the Space Ritual 2005 Roadburn concert? greetings filip From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 06:41:19 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:41:19 +0100 Subject: The cheek of this guy Message-ID: Just spotted this on eBay - and reported it of course. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4750836397&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1 Literally a lifetime's work for a measley three quid. If anyone from HW is reading, feel free to nail him. Neil -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 24 07:58:10 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:58:10 -0400 Subject: Space Ritual 2005 Roadburn Message-ID: Youve missed it http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/media/index.jsp?portal=2534202&event=21711857 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Jul 24 08:38:51 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:38:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Electronic Cottage, Alchemical Radio, & Improv/Experimental Shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com July 24, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS & MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from The Electronic Cottage (show #15), Alchemical Radio (show #94), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #39). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this week is Melodic Energy Commission?s ?Time Is A Slippery Concept?. Just released this past year, this is the first MEC album in over two decades. Hawkwind?s Del Dettmar played on their 1979 & 1980 MEC albums. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store The Electronic Cottage (show #15) The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Frank Gingeleit ? ?Planet?s Spring Dance? (from Megalopolis) Trip Tech ? Track 10 (from Slide) Sara Ayers ? ?A Million Stories? (excerpt) (from A Million Stories) Mingo ? ?Time Turned New? (from The Once and Future World) Antony Kalugin ? ?Chewy Movie? (from Polaris) Buzzsaw & The Shavings ? ?Malefactors In A Cage With Valentinians Bears? (from Open Loops Vol. 2) Floating Mind ? ?Stellar? (from Deep Visions) Barry Lamb ? ?It?s Not About You (and neither is it about me)? (from It?s All About Purpose) Verplanken ? ?Welcome? (from The Missing Tracks) Zentropia ? ?Snakes Guard Our Secrets? (from Subsonic Laws of Deconstruction) Alchemical Radio (show #94) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label, and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions (Alchemical Radio theme tune kindly provided by Dave Dill: www.davedill.net Betty Dylan ? "Abdicate The Throne" Barry Lamb ? "Built For Eternity" The Bevis Frond ? "Hit Squad" Bob Seawick ? "Indian Summer" Buben ? "Criminal Chromosone" Brad Wilson ? "The Healer" Carl Burnett ? "Loud Party Warning" Janet Robbins ? "Voluntary Exile" Dave Dill ? "See You In The Sunshine" Dimension X ? "Nothing?s Changed" The Buzzrats ? "Raising Money For Michael" Don Campau & Ken Clinger ? "San Francisco" Hamadryad ? "Self Made Men" Bob Pyle ? "When They Close The Golden Arches" The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #39) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Thuja ? disc 1 track 5 (from Pine Cone Temples) Anna Homler/Steuart Liebig Duo ? ?Case In Point? (from Kelpland Serenades) Exist ? ?Knock Knock? (from Exist) Sara Ayers ? ?A Million Stories? (excerpt) (from A Million Stories) Ready for Japan ? ?Roppongi Skeigns? (from Rock n Roll is Dead) Michael Vernusky ? ?Tanah for Flute and Tape? (from Blood That Sees The Light) Verplanken ? ?The Prisoner? (from Autopsy of a Dream) >From Quagmire ? ?Holiday Song? (from Habitats in the Wound) Zavoloka ? ?Suspenzia? (from Suspenzia) Andrey Kiritchenko ? ?Scope of my Perception? (from True Delusion) The Modern 13 ? ?3rd Movement? (from Music E.P.) http://Aural-Innovations.com From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 09:47:35 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:47:35 +0100 Subject: Fw: TMTYL Link Message-ID: Having trouble sending this link to the list so I'll try again and just in case the ASIN no was B000AIZ8GI which you can look up on the Amazon advanced search. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Kirwan To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: TMTYL Link Hi All, This is the one I've pre-ordered as I couldn't find one detailing a DVD with it, however - you can change your order right up to day of despatch with Amazon and not incur any additional charges so I've taken the chance that this is the one we want. If it changes, I think there's a good chance Amazon will notify me anyway, they are pretty good like that. Sam :-) The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8GI/qid=1122106405/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_10_9/202-2291095-5460603 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 10:05:13 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:05:13 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: They also have both versions of Spirit of the Age available to pre-order although you need to do a search for them. UK links are: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8GS/202-0334072-3435875?%5Fencoding=UTF8 (CD1) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8H2/202-0334072-3435875?%5Fencoding=UTF8 (CD2) Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Kirwan" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Fw: TMTYL Link Having trouble sending this link to the list so I'll try again and just in case the ASIN no was B000AIZ8GI which you can look up on the Amazon advanced search. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Kirwan To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: TMTYL Link Hi All, This is the one I've pre-ordered as I couldn't find one detailing a DVD with it, however - you can change your order right up to day of despatch with Amazon and not incur any additional charges so I've taken the chance that this is the one we want. If it changes, I think there's a good chance Amazon will notify me anyway, they are pretty good like that. Sam :-) The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AIZ8GI/qid=1122106405/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_10_9/202-2291095-5460603 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 10:50:40 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David and Manami Greenhalgh) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:50:40 +0100 Subject: The cheek of this guy In-Reply-To: <000701c5903c$39e873e0$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: What was it? eBay have removed it. Dave Vaguely related question. We're emigrating away from sunny Portsmouth in a couple of months, unless everything falls flat (again) so all my vinyl and CDs will be up for grabs. Is there a "definitive" place to look for current values on the Hawkwind, Gong, Enid etc etc stuff? On 24 Jul 2005, at 11:41, Neil Toyne wrote: > Just spotted this on eBay - and reported it of course. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=4750836397&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1 > > Literally a lifetime's work for a measley three quid. If anyone > from HW is > reading, feel free to nail him. > > Neil > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > 22/07/2005 > David Greenhalgh greenhalgh.david at ntlworld.com From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 11:53:42 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:53:42 +0100 Subject: The cheek of this guy Message-ID: It was a DVD containing almost the entire HW catalogue as MP3s. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Manami Greenhalgh" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: The cheek of this guy > What was it? eBay have removed it. > > Dave > > Vaguely related question. We're emigrating away from sunny Portsmouth > in a couple of months, unless everything falls flat (again) so all my > vinyl and CDs will be up for grabs. Is there a "definitive" place to > look for current values on the Hawkwind, Gong, Enid etc etc stuff? > > > On 24 Jul 2005, at 11:41, Neil Toyne wrote: > > > Just spotted this on eBay - and reported it of course. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=4750836397&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1 > > > > Literally a lifetime's work for a measley three quid. If anyone > > from HW is > > reading, feel free to nail him. > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > > 22/07/2005 > > > > David Greenhalgh > greenhalgh.david at ntlworld.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Jul 24 12:48:32 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:48:32 EDT Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: In a message dated 24/07/2005 15:05:41 GMT Standard Time, neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: They also have both versions of Spirit of the Age available to pre-order although you need to do a search for them. Two versions? Does anyone know what else is on the CD's? There are also 2 links for TMTYL... _http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dmusic%26field-k eywords%3Dtake%20me%20to%20your%20%20leader%20hawkwind/ref%3Dxs%5Fap%5Fsai1%5F xgl/202-5071796-1809424_ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=music&field-keywords=take%20me%20to%20your%20%20leader%20hawkwind/ref= xs_ap_sai1_xgl/202-5071796-1809424) Steve. From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 15:28:24 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:28:24 +0100 Subject: The cheek of this guy In-Reply-To: <006901c59068$022e1460$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: Eek. I've got an iPod that kind of fits that description. Not for sale, though. Dave On 24 Jul 2005, at 16:53, Neil Toyne wrote: > It was a DVD containing almost the entire HW catalogue as MP3s. > > Neil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Manami Greenhalgh" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: The cheek of this guy > > > >> What was it? eBay have removed it. >> >> Dave >> >> Vaguely related question. We're emigrating away from sunny Portsmouth >> in a couple of months, unless everything falls flat (again) so all my >> vinyl and CDs will be up for grabs. Is there a "definitive" place to >> look for current values on the Hawkwind, Gong, Enid etc etc stuff? >> >> >> On 24 Jul 2005, at 11:41, Neil Toyne wrote: >> >> >>> Just spotted this on eBay - and reported it of course. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>> ViewItem&item=4750836397&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1 >>> >>> Literally a lifetime's work for a measley three quid. If anyone >>> from HW is >>> reading, feel free to nail him. >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: >>> 22/07/2005 >>> >>> >> >> David Greenhalgh >> greenhalgh.david at ntlworld.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: >> 22/07/2005 >> >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > 22/07/2005 > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jul 24 15:55:16 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:55:16 +0100 Subject: Pricing albums Message-ID: Probably your best bet (though a somewhat tedious one) is to get hold of recent Record Collector magazines published in the last few months and do a trawl through looking for Hawkwind etc items for sale. My guess is that this will give you a lower-end-of-the-market value since people won't want to offer items for sale at an unrealistically high price. Keeping an eye on Ebay will give you a higher end value since if someone really wants an item they will pay whatever they can afford - sometimes quite a lot! There is also a Record Collector publication "Rare Record Price Guide" but I don't know how often it is reissued. Mine is dated 2002 so is a tad out of date now. good luck with the move. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Manami Greenhalgh" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: The cheek of this guy > What was it? eBay have removed it. > > Dave > > Vaguely related question. We're emigrating away from sunny > Portsmouth > in a couple of months, unless everything falls flat (again) so > all my > vinyl and CDs will be up for grabs. Is there a "definitive" > place to > look for current values on the Hawkwind, Gong, Enid etc etc > stuff? > > > On 24 Jul 2005, at 11:41, Neil Toyne wrote: > >> Just spotted this on eBay - and reported it of course. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&item=4750836397&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1 >> >> Literally a lifetime's work for a measley three quid. If anyone >> from HW is >> reading, feel free to nail him. >> >> Neil >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: >> 22/07/2005 >> > > David Greenhalgh > greenhalgh.david at ntlworld.com > > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Jul 24 16:00:26 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:00:26 +0100 Subject: sf worldcon Message-ID: Not me I'm afraid - unless they give out Saturday one-day tickets! I hear there is an unprecedented heatwave in Chicago at the moment - hope you are all managing to stay cool. cheers jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: OFF: sf worldcon > Hi folks, > > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this > year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... > > (Rich and I are coming across for it...) > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins > akomins at uchicago.edu > Assistant Director/ENSS > University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: > (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: > (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Jul 24 16:01:48 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:01:48 EDT Subject: OT: Re: sf worldcon Message-ID: In a message dated 24/07/2005 20:58:51 GMT Standard Time, jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this > year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... What's that then? Steve. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Jul 24 16:11:51 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:11:51 -0500 Subject: sf worldcon In-Reply-To: <7d.6dce79b4.30154dac@aol.com> Message-ID: The World Science Fiction Convention (in one of it's rare trips outside the USA). 4000-5000 SF fans will descend on glasgow for 5 Days from all over the globe :-) along with large amounts of authors, publishers etc. The HUGO awards are given out annually at Worldcon. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of GutterCat at AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OT: Re: sf worldcon In a message dated 24/07/2005 20:58:51 GMT Standard Time, jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this > year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... What's that then? Steve. From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Jul 24 16:17:05 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:17:05 -0400 Subject: sf worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe I read in Analog or Asimov that the first SF World Con was there as well. M -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: sf worldcon The World Science Fiction Convention (in one of it's rare trips outside the USA). 4000-5000 SF fans will descend on glasgow for 5 Days from all over the globe :-) along with large amounts of authors, publishers etc. The HUGO awards are given out annually at Worldcon. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of GutterCat at AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OT: Re: sf worldcon In a message dated 24/07/2005 20:58:51 GMT Standard Time, jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this > year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... What's that then? Steve. From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 24 16:11:35 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:11:35 -0400 Subject: TMTYL & Amazon CDs Message-ID: Yes, it is confusing that Amazon has listed 2 versions of TMTYL with no info on whats what, or what other tracks are on the Cd singles.I also see that Amazon are shortly releasing ASAM/QS&C on the infamous Rock Fever label as a recognised Official release..i thought Rock Fevers releases were unauthorised dodgy bootlegs and to be avoided at all costs!Any idea whats going on regarding these topics?? Pete From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Jul 24 16:23:23 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:23:23 EDT Subject: Pricing albums Message-ID: Is there a "definitive" place to look for current values on the Hawkwind, Gong, Enid etc etc stuff? There is no "Definitive" guide to pricing LP's. It just depends on what the individual is prepared to pay for it. The Rare Record Guide is simply that... a guide. Don't sell to a dealer though, you'll get far less for it because he needs to add his markup. My 2004 Rare record guide has the following on Hawkwind (extracts only): 1st album with gatefold sleeve, blue or black labels: ?35 In Search Of Space (foldout sleeve, some with log book) ?30/?15 Space Ritual - Foldout sleeve with inners ?35. I know someone who picked up a copy of this a couple of weeks ago from a shop for EIGHT POUNDS!!! And the condition of it was excellent. The Business Trip - 2 LP, clear vinyl. 1,500 only) ?40. I bought that when it came out and one was clear the other black vinyl, anyone else? Church... with booklet: ?30. Mine is signed, and NO! It's not for sale :-) There are more, ranging from ?8 (Independant Days 10" EP) to ?40 (Approved History - 3 LP's Pic Discs and booklet) The Enid albums are in the region of ?12.00 If there's anything specifically you want to know what the guide says, email me at _GutterCat at aol.com_ (mailto:GutterCat at aol.com) Steve. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sun Jul 24 16:41:11 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:41:11 -0500 Subject: sf worldcon In-Reply-To: <000801c5908c$ae010210$6501a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: Nah, I think that was in New York. I know Robert Silverberg has attended them ALL. He did a speech about it before the Hugos last year. Thats like 50+years. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Mike Montfort Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:17 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: sf worldcon I believe I read in Analog or Asimov that the first SF World Con was there as well. M -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: sf worldcon The World Science Fiction Convention (in one of it's rare trips outside the USA). 4000-5000 SF fans will descend on glasgow for 5 Days from all over the globe :-) along with large amounts of authors, publishers etc. The HUGO awards are given out annually at Worldcon. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of GutterCat at AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: OT: Re: sf worldcon In a message dated 24/07/2005 20:58:51 GMT Standard Time, jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > Totally offtopic, but is anyone else going to the Worldcon this > year? > It's in Glasgow in 2 weeks..... What's that then? Steve. From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jul 24 17:48:44 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:48:44 -0500 Subject: sf worldcon In-Reply-To: <003101c5908a$57f49320$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Jill Strobridge wrote: :Subject: Re: sf worldcon : :Not me I'm afraid - unless they give out Saturday one-day tickets! :I hear there is an unprecedented heatwave in Chicago at the :moment - hope you are all managing to stay cool. Well, they aren't giving them out, but they do have day rate admissions available. Saturday 6 August: 40 Adult / 10 Child (includes admission to Masquerade) Friday is cheaper by 10 quid ;-) For details see: http://www.interaction.worldcon.org.uk/pressr38.htm Yeah, it's far too hot here right now. It's currently 39 degrees celsius, with a heat index of 41. (or for those of us on this side of the pond: 103 F and feels like 106. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jul 24 17:49:47 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:49:47 -0500 Subject: sf worldcon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Rich wrote: :Subject: Re: sf worldcon : :The World Science Fiction Convention (in one of it's rare trips outside the :USA). 4000-5000 SF fans will descend on glasgow for 5 Days from all over the :globe :-) along with large amounts of authors, publishers etc. The HUGO :awards are given out annually at Worldcon. ...and if you are interested, take a look at the general worldcon website (http://www.worldcon.org/ or the website for this year's convention: http://www.interaction.worldcon.org.uk/) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 24 18:23:00 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:23:00 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Just been listening to Space Ritual Live at the Venusian Electric Ballroom, and I am well impressed. Not as good as the real thing of course, but good non the less. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > I agree with y'all > > At the risk of repeating what you already know, here's a link to audio > of Space Ritual at the April Roadburn festival > > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/media/index.jsp?portal=2534202&event=21711857 > > It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that > this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to > the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm with > Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. > > Cheers > Alan > > > Maxine Wesley wrote: > > >Hallo peeps, > > > >I couldn't agree with Keith's summary of Nik's Space Ritual more. I saw > >them play at the Brook Club last winter. The sound was very very very > >(very) retro, more avant-garde jazz skiffle than progressive rock. > > > >I was dissappointed ...but what was worse was the fact that, after 25 > >years of her knowing my penchant for HW, i had finally managed to > >persuade my big sister to come along and see what i had been going > >on about! Caroline herself doesn't get out that much....2.4 kids etc and > >I think the last band she saw was actually Status Quo (in about 1977!). > >She is also one of the most generous people i know; selfless, non- > >critical, accepting of all etc - so to see her shifting from foot to foot in > >abject boredom was almost unbearable - she may never venture out > >again! Do SR give refunds or does anyone think we have a case for > >compensation? > > > > > >regards > > > >Maxine > > > >p.s. The only point i disagree with Keith is that they sounded anything > >like Status Quo - the proof of this is that Caro would have been leaping > >about.. probably doing "the shoulders". > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 24 18:24:43 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:24:43 +0000 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <42DFF01C.8020700@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Gottasay the spirit seems to lay with D.B. and the crew.When I think about the differences in WHO can truely lay claim to what,in time,will become a coverted(??)name,I'll just remember standing at the main stage in Treeworgy fest,watching NikAnd hais all stars....while I missed H>WIND!!!!!!!!!!I at m still FUMING!!!!Managed to get the gig on vid but that defeats the point!!!WHY NIK????YOu were real bad too!! >From: Alan Taylor >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:57:32 +0100 > >"The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good >ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone >can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no >fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid >and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. > >Stephe wrote: > >>Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the >>REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe >> >> >>>In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >>>alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >>> >>>It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >>>this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >>>the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >>>with >>>Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >>> >> >> >> > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 24 18:43:45 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:43:45 +0100 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <3013.155.100.151.27.1122066966.squirrel@mail.wirelessbeehive.com> Message-ID: Brad Richie Castellano, the new bassist, sings Hot Rails to Hell and makes a pretty good fist of it too! It's obviously a song for bassists. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Brad Dahl Sent: 22 July 2005 22:16 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Recent gigs Any idea who is singing "Hot Rails to Hell"? Brad From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 24 19:12:17 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:12:17 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Well hey now. I love the Brock and crew too. And the Nik and co. I think its daft for fans to argue over this shit. They are not the same band, and I think the fans are the ones creating more crap than the bands themselves. The fans are the spirit. Without the fans there is no band. Why isn't Ginger Baker or Steve Swindells the spirit of Hawkwind? Its us. Right?? Who cares about what Nik is doing? If you don't like it, don't go to the show. Don't buy the cds. I don't hear Nik saying he's the one. Don't buy anything DB releases. Don't hear Dave saying I'm the spirit of HW or am I missing it. Don't remember Nik saying it either. Its us. WE ARE THE SPIRIT OF HAWKWIND!!!!! The fans are what makes it happen. I'm sure Dave and Nik would agree on that. Cheers Stephe > Gottasay the spirit seems to lay with D.B. and the crew.When I think about > the differences in WHO can truely lay claim to what,in time,will become a > coverted(??)name,I'll just remember standing at the main stage in > Treeworgy > fest,watching NikAnd hais all stars....while I missed H>WIND!!!!!!!!!!I at m > still FUMING!!!!Managed to get the gig on vid but that defeats the > point!!!WHY NIK????YOu were real bad too!! > >>From: Alan Taylor >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual >>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:57:32 +0100 >> >>"The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good >>ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone >>can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no >>fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid >>and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. >> >>Stephe wrote: >> >>>Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the >>>REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe >>> >>> >>>>In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >>>>alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >>>> >>>>It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >>>>this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >>>>the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >>>>with >>>>Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 24 19:16:46 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:16:46 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi Mark, I think its really good too. Best thing I've heard from them. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Storer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > Just been listening to Space Ritual Live at the Venusian Electric > Ballroom, > and I am well impressed. > Not as good as the real thing of course, but good non the less. > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Taylor" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual > > >> I agree with y'all >> >> At the risk of repeating what you already know, here's a link to audio >> of Space Ritual at the April Roadburn festival >> >> > http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/media/index.jsp?portal=2534202&event=21711857 >> >> It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >> this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >> the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm with >> Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >> >> Cheers >> Alan >> >> >> Maxine Wesley wrote: >> >> >Hallo peeps, >> > >> >I couldn't agree with Keith's summary of Nik's Space Ritual more. I saw >> >them play at the Brook Club last winter. The sound was very very very >> >(very) retro, more avant-garde jazz skiffle than progressive rock. >> > >> >I was dissappointed ...but what was worse was the fact that, after 25 >> >years of her knowing my penchant for HW, i had finally managed to >> >persuade my big sister to come along and see what i had been going >> >on about! Caroline herself doesn't get out that much....2.4 kids etc and >> >I think the last band she saw was actually Status Quo (in about 1977!). >> >She is also one of the most generous people i know; selfless, non- >> >critical, accepting of all etc - so to see her shifting from foot to >> >foot > in >> >abject boredom was almost unbearable - she may never venture out >> >again! Do SR give refunds or does anyone think we have a case for >> >compensation? >> > >> > >> >regards >> > >> >Maxine >> > >> >p.s. The only point i disagree with Keith is that they sounded anything >> >like Status Quo - the proof of this is that Caro would have been leaping >> >about.. probably doing "the shoulders". >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 24 19:20:31 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:20:31 -0400 Subject: Origins of Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi Folks. I copied this from the Spaceritual.net website. May be of interest to those who think they are total crap. Cheers Stephe The start of early Hawkwind/Group X from the eyes and ears of Mick Slattery, guitarist back then at the dawn of Hawkwind and now guitarist in spaceritual.net. Augusts 69. Famous Cure had folded, but out of its ashes had come something a little bit different. We were still a sort of blues / rock band but then we recruited Nik and Dik-Mik and started experimenting with avant-garde and electronic sounds. Now I had a flat just off the Portobello Road in Talbot Road and Terry Ollis lived in the back room and most days everyone would meet up there, mainly to exchange drugs and get high before going off to rehearse. It also gave Nik the opportunity to heat up his tin of baked beans and blag several cups of tea. Just down the road was All Saints Church and in the basement or tabernacle someone had been putting on bands on Friday nights. So one Friday evening I popped in as they were setting up the stage. I spoke to someone who looked like he was in charge and asked him if there was any chance we could come along later and do a couple of numbers? He said "Yeh - just turn up and play" he was probably only the electrician - but thats what we did. I rounded everybody up and we thought we'd better get a couple of numbers together and make up a name, but after a good few spliffs all we could come up with was Group X. But no matter, off we trotted to church, where we were given a ten minute spot by a bemused Doug Smith. We hadn't come up with a couple of numbers either, so we decided to just have a jam around a couple of chords (probably the only ones we knew). Actually it was the intro to Eight Miles High and then some very long solos and Dik-Mik twiddling with his generator and Nik honking up a storm and me and Dave getting our guitars to feed-back the way we'd seen Hendrix do it, and Terry thrashing his drumkit to within an inch of its life, while the strobes and liquid light show added to the air of chaos and insanity. And then, twenty minutes later it was over, and much to our surprise, everyone loved it, including John Peel, who was in the audience and apparently advised Doug Smith to sign us up. which he did. Funnily enough, we've all remembered the number which we did back in 1969, which was called Sunshine Special. We played it at a recent gig in Crewe, where we had almost the same line-up and it was pretty weird doing it again - thirty two years later. I've really enjoyed the gigs that we've done. The music has been wonderful in places and will get better. It can get pretty chaotic on stage, no one really knows what's going on - or what's going to happen. I only know about three of the numbers really, and so does Terry, though probably he doesn't know the same three as me!! So we more or less make it up as we go along, and that's exactly what we were doing at the beginning, so there we go!! From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Sun Jul 24 21:18:16 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:18:16 -0400 Subject: The cheek of this guy In-Reply-To: <86B25E3E-F5FA-4422-BFDC-89903B117D96@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: My iPod just has that free U2 song it came with. From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 00:45:37 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:45:37 +0100 Subject: Pricing albums In-Reply-To: <1ff.6414e44.301552bb@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the pointers and the offer. My copy of the Price Guide is 2002 as well and I haven't seen a more up to date version. I was thinking that there might be a sort of record equivalent of the "Blue Book" somewhere on the web, but maybe not. (For the non-UK members, the "Blue Book" is a price guide for used cars that is intended for dealers on the theory that not every dealer is an expert in every car, and the ones who know brand X don't want to get squeezed out by the ones that don't. It doesn't give an asking price, but it does give a benchmark.) Dave From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Jul 25 04:56:28 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:56:28 -0400 Subject: Origins of Hawkwind Message-ID: Curious that Dave has been 'written out' of this version :-} On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:20:31 -0400, Stephe wrote: >Hi Folks. I copied this from the Spaceritual.net website. May be of interest to those who think they are total crap. Cheers Stephe > > > >The start of early Hawkwind/Group X from the eyes and ears of Mick Slattery, guitarist back then at the dawn of Hawkwind and now guitarist in spaceritual.net. > >Augusts 69. Famous Cure had folded, but out of its ashes had come something a little bit different. We were still a sort of blues / rock band but then we recruited Nik and Dik-Mik and started experimenting with avant- garde and electronic sounds. Now I had a flat just off the Portobello Road in Talbot Road and Terry Ollis lived in the back room and most days everyone would meet up there, mainly to exchange drugs and get high before going off to rehearse. It also gave Nik the opportunity to heat up his tin of baked beans and blag several cups of tea. > >Just down the road was All Saints Church and in the basement or tabernacle someone had been putting on bands on Friday nights. So one Friday evening I popped in as they were setting up the stage. I spoke to someone who looked like he was in charge and asked him if there was any chance we could come along later and do a couple of numbers? He said "Yeh - just turn up and play" he was probably only the electrician - but thats what we did. I rounded everybody up and we thought we'd better get a couple of numbers together and make up a name, but after a good few spliffs all we could come up with was Group X. But no matter, off we trotted to church, where we were given a ten minute spot by a bemused Doug Smith. We hadn't come up with a couple of numbers either, so we decided to just have a jam around a couple of chords (probably the only ones we knew). Actually it was the intro to Eight Miles High and then some very long solos and Dik-Mik twiddling with his generator and Nik honking up a storm and me and Dave getting our guitars to feed-back the way we'd seen Hendrix do it, and Terry thrashing his drumkit to within an inch of its life, while the strobes and liquid light show added to the air of chaos and insanity. > >And then, twenty minutes later it was over, and much to our surprise, everyone loved it, including John Peel, who was in the audience and apparently advised Doug Smith to sign us up. which he did. Funnily enough, we've all remembered the number which we did back in 1969, which was called Sunshine Special. We played it at a recent gig in Crewe, where we had almost the same line-up and it was pretty weird doing it again - thirty two years later. > >I've really enjoyed the gigs that we've done. The music has been wonderful in places and will get better. It can get pretty chaotic on stage, no one really knows what's going on - or what's going to happen. I only know about three of the numbers really, and so does Terry, though probably he doesn't know the same three as me!! So we more or less make it up as we go along, and that's exactly what we were doing at the beginning, so there we go!! From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 25 06:44:32 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:44:32 -0400 Subject: Pricing albums Message-ID: Hi, ive always gound that Ebay is a good indicator of Hawkwind prices.Ive noticed a slight drop in those rare deleted cds etc,in the last year or so,especially since the questionable Rock Fever releases flooded Ebay. Pete From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 25 06:57:47 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:57:47 -0400 Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: yes, it is confusing..which one has the dvd?or is one in a digipak format???AND-today..Amazon have dropped the price from ?11.99 to ?8.99...and i ordered it when it was ?11.99 ! grrr!Ive just cancelled and reordered but i probably wont get the dvd now! Pete From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Jul 25 07:03:41 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:03:41 +0100 Subject: In the post this morning.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: went downstairs this morning, to see a CD / DVD had arrived, there was me thinking the Hawkwind passholders present had arrived, i was so excited, but NO.. it was the Amon Duul II CD Wolf City, that I ordered, played it and apart from the german titled track what a pile of POO...... so I went from excitement, to disappointment to dejection in the space of 45 mins.... Not bad going for a Monday ..... From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Jul 25 07:50:13 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:50:13 +0000 Subject: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <200507250900.j6P8uSYU002959@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Hi all, no insightful info here, simply just don't see the spaceritual, QUO comparison. As one who enjoys the music of both, I see NIK as NIK, and Quo as Quo..The only similarity I can find is that they are both, 'Rockin all over the world' ( sans the US for Quo..they've pretty much given up touring here). There's just no profit in Quo touring the states, and although it's not too lucrative for NIK either, his philosophy still brings him to our shores. I remember speaking with him about it last autum, when we opened for him in New Jersey...Peace, Mike From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jul 25 08:26:23 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:26:23 -0700 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... Message-ID: Well, then...I guess I'm the one to blame for bringing old tired debates. Sorry...I really wasn't meaning to, honest. I don't think I made any comparisons between Space Ritual and Hawkwind 2005 in my posts, other than in relation to the artistry of the dancers, which was in part just to compliment the two HW dancers after seeing them again at Loreley. I was really just trying to evaluate Space Ritual on their own terms, in comparison to what they themselves are doing...trying to be some sort of reborn 1972-74 era Hawkwind with 1969-71 era musicians, and pointing out how little sense that makes. Well, at least the list is a little more active than it's been in recent weeks, from what I can tell. A few specific points... Maxine...I think you're right...I'd totally forgotten this weird thing called 'skiffle' since it is from before my time (which starts around 1967...I don't know anything about music from before then, since none of it appeals to me) and also (largely?) English. But now I think maybe that's what it is, of sorts. Sorry also to mention Status Quo (even with the disclaimer attached)...I don't know any of their songs (would I know any of them, and not realize it?). I think I accidentally saw them onstage at Sweden Rock two months ago for about 90 seconds, but I escaped unharmed somehow. I don't even remember what stage they were playing on. So, yeah, I guess maybe it's 'jazz skiffle' masquerading as 'space rock,' but whatever it is, it doesn't work worth a damn, IMHO. And to Stephe, I'd say it does matter (and I truly won't go to any more Space Ritual shows, you can be certain of that) in part because he's (presumably) trying to earn a living doing this. I mean, yeah, if he were playing everywhere for free, then, not such a big deal. But I'm guessing that's not the case...and so it's a commercial enterprise, and it seems more likely than not that by calling his band Space Ritual, playing the songs from that album (and Cap'n Lockheed, since Calvert can't complain about it, presumably), and hiring anybody he can find who was ever in Hawkwind at one point irregardless of 'fit,' was all designed to maximize his attraction to potential punters. I mean, why else does Space Ritual exist? I think they played two tracks I didn't know, so perhaps they are writing a new song now and again, I dunno. But they aren't playing the music that Hawkwind played in 1969-70, that's for sure...and why not? The biography you forwarded, eg., talks about those days...Space Ritual doesn't *play* the soundtrack to those days, does it? Therefore, it makes no sense. And more importantly (to my ears), it manages to make my very favorite songs (ie., Space Ritual era HW) almost completely unattractive. (Now, if he started over with Tommy & Len, and somebody like Steve Taylor on bass..then, after a while, I'm come back to support him.) To Iain....blasphemy....Wolf City is one of the very best albums ever made. :) (And Dave Anderson didn't play on it.) "Like the wind at the end of the street" is the one you liked. (?) To whoever brought up Lemmy & Hawkestra...Hawkestra wasn't as good as predicted because, a. there was little rehearsal, b. the sound was crap in the hall and the monitors were very obviously not working right, c. Huw was awful, and d. it was too long and had no continuity. But Lemmy, who I doubted beforehand could pull it off convincingly, did (in my mind at least) play his old role without showing much of any effect of 25 years of Motorhead-making. He could/can still blanga convincingly. Sad that it wasn't yet better, but there were moments worth being there for. And I'm actually glad that nobody has ever been able the get the tapes from Doug S. because we can all pretend that it was brilliant without having to watch the evidence that it was far from it. (If they made a 60-minute highlight DVD, that would be worth having. The other two-thirds of rubbish should be hidden away forever. Including Ms. Fox.) And anyway, Motorhead is a great band, and Lemmy is truly God. :) Actually, Motorhead's musical legacy would be a lot better if Lemmy didn't crank out so many albums, and therefore refuse to throw out not-up-to-snuff tracks that effectively dilute his albums. If he only released half as many albums over the last 30 years, with only the best tracks from successive pairs on each, then he'd have made a load of great albums. But anyway, Motorhead has nothing to do with Space Rock, so there's no crime in not liking it. I didn't for quite some time, just because back then (when I was 16), I didn't like sloppy music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy drummer. I don't know anything about Gmail, or whatever that whole discussion was about. I don't have a home (let alone my own computer), and therefore no hardwired ISP connection, so I doubt any of that relates to my current situation. I really just wanted to know if there was a way to have Yahoo mail preserve 'soft' returns in a message, or whether I needed to put in 'hard' returns in each paragraph (though that would cause problems, because the line lengths would almost certainly be different for different people, and then there's be one- or two-word stems between each line of text, which is also terrible to try to read). Denis...I was in Gem?nden am Main at the time, last Tuesday and Wednesday when those planes went overhead. I don't know how to recognize various military planes, unless one of them was a F-104G, and because none of them crashed, I can be assured that was not the case. :) Nobody going to Off the Tracks? How big is this thing, and what is the setting? (Under a tent, in a field, on the speedway, etc.?) Grakkl (FAA), in Hanau am Main (near Frankfurt) P.S. Fantasyy Factoryy is playing a special show here on Saturday at the old palace in conjunction with some art exhibition, so I guess I'll hang around for that and skip Finkenbach Festival, since I've already seen Kraan and Guru Guru a couple times recently. P.P.S. I didn't like Blows Against the Empire either. What's the big deal about this album? P.P.P.S. But the worst ever 'recommended for space/prog types' album has to be that White Noise thing...that was unlistenable. P.P.P.P.S. I'm sad that VDGG sold out in Amsterdam before I was able to figure out a way to get a ticket. I was seriously thinking of going, esp. since I like some of the reunion tracks a lot (Every Bloody Emperor, Nutter Alert). Did anyone go? Report? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 08:51:41 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:51:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... Message-ID: > P.P.P.P.S. I'm sad that VDGG sold out in Amsterdam before I was able to figure out a way to get a ticket. I was seriously thinking of going, esp. since I like some of the reunion tracks a lot (Every Bloody Emperor, Nutter Alert). Did anyone go? Report? Not in Amsterdam, but a mate and I saw them at Leicester, it was magic. VDGG was the first band I ever saw, back in 1976, (with the same mate!!) I was overwhelmed then, as I was this time. The whole atmosphere was electric, and Still Life brought tears to these old eyes. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jul 25 09:35:28 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:35:28 +0100 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... In-Reply-To: <20050725122623.63013.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 25/07/2005 13:26, Keith Henderson wrote: > I was really just trying to evaluate Space Ritual on their own terms, in comparison to what they themselves are doing...trying to be some sort of reborn 1972-74 era Hawkwind with 1969-71 era musicians, and pointing out how little sense that makes. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but hey -- if I had the chance to tour around playing _Space Ritual_ songs, I would :) I've seen Nik in various contexts, with various people, over the past 10 or 12 years, and it's always been variable -- sometimes great, sometimes not so great. Depends more on the line-up than on Nik, as you might expect! Frankly, I usually think that way about Hawkwind, too ;) But I always loved the Grateful Dead, and they too were perfectly capable of stepping out and sucking royally on any given night even in the periods where they were at the top of their game :) That's what makes it fun. > Sad that it wasn't yet better, but there were moments worth being there for. And I'm actually glad that nobody has ever been able the get the tapes from Doug S. because we can all pretend that it was brilliant without having to watch the evidence that it was far from it. (If they made a 60-minute highlight DVD, that would be worth having. The other two-thirds of rubbish should be hidden away forever. Including Ms. Fox.) Hawkestra was great fun to be at, probably grim to revisit in recorded form ;) That said, I thought Sam Fox singing "Mistress of the Universe" or whatever it was with Lemmy and Brock lurking around the stage was fabulously entertaining. Tasteless and cheezy and sort of stupendously "Whaaaa?", but (for those same reasons) fabulously entertaining. And any record of it should probably be destroyed :) > And anyway, Motorhead is a great band, and Lemmy is truly God. :) Actually, Motorhead's musical legacy would be a lot better if Lemmy didn't crank out so many albums, and therefore refuse to throw out not-up-to-snuff tracks that effectively dilute his albums. If he only released half as many albums over the last 30 years, with only the best tracks from successive pairs on each, then he'd have made a load of great albums. Good point ;) > But anyway, Motorhead has nothing to do with Space Rock, so there's no crime in not liking it. I didn't for quite some time, just because back then (when I was 16), I didn't like sloppy music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy drummer. Sloppy as hell! With all respect to the "classic" lineup, I don't think Motorhead have ever actually had as good a line-up as they have now. But, anyway, I'm not convinced that Motorhead has _nothing_ to do with space rock. Hawkwind is, after all, basically three-piece boogie rock with Dr. Who noises and lyrics about spaceships, whereas Motorhead is three-piece boogie rock at incredible velocity and volume with lyrics about living fast and hating politicians :) "Orgasmatron" is as fine a spaceblanga workout as you could hope for without actual swooshy noises in it, and the best spacerock bands I've heard play have done so with a t least a soup?on of Motorhead in their sonic database. (Y'all are free to disagree -- I really just wanted to use the phrase "soup?on of Motorhead" in something :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Jul 25 09:56:04 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:56:04 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Jul 2005 - Special issue (#2005-188) Message-ID: >Carl Anderson wrote: > We have to leave room for *any* band to sound like a load of > toss, since even bands that are usually quite good and it > within them to sound like a load of toss, and it behooves us > as griping fans to take them to task for it when they do :) Cf. Blue Oyster Cult June 2003 London Astoria In fact, such a bunch of toss that last year I went to see Nektar instead... > Cheers, > Carl, who always thought that the true spirit of Hawkwind was > encapsulated in the unlikely miracle of a bunch of wasted > freaks making a hell of a noise that actually sounded pretty cool :) I'll second that motion - it also applied (marvellously) to a freaky jazz combo called S.O.H. when they came to Nottingham (ah, those were the days...) ChrisW NP: Cave In - Tides Of Tomorrow ============================================= Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator OAG Worldwide Ltd Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 Fax: + 44 (0)1582 845695 Mobile: +44 (0)7958 754169 ============================================= NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Mon Jul 25 10:02:07 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:02:07 -0600 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <001601c590a1$26917b10$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: > Richie Castellano, the new bassist, sings Hot Rails to Hell and makes a > pretty good fist of it too! It's obviously a song for bassists. Thanks for the info, Tony. That is very cool they are letting the new guy sing. I'm hoping they come my way soon. The current setlist intrigues me. Almost worth a road trip! Burn your eyes out! Brad From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 25 10:40:52 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:40:52 -0400 Subject: Origins of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 04:56 -0400, Rik Rx wrote: > Curious that Dave has been 'written out' of this version :-} > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:20:31 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > >Hi Folks. I copied this from the Spaceritual.net website. May be of > interest to those who think they are total crap. Cheers Stephe > > > >The start of early Hawkwind/Group X from the eyes and ears of Mick > Slattery, guitarist back then at the dawn of Hawkwind and now guitarist in > spaceritual.net. [...] > We hadn't come up with a > couple of numbers either, so we decided to just have a jam around a couple > of chords (probably the only ones we knew). Actually it was the intro to > Eight Miles High and then some very long solos and Dik-Mik twiddling with > his generator and Nik honking up a storm and me and Dave getting our > guitars to feed-back the way we'd seen Hendrix do it, and Terry thrashing > his drumkit to within an inch of its life, while the strobes and liquid > light show added to the air of chaos and insanity. Which "Dave" is that (getting his guitar to feed back the way he'd seen Hendrix do it)---Dave Anderson? If so, I thought he didn't join until later (and played bass). Of course, there's always the very remote possibility that it might be Dave Brock getting a mention here. :-) The impression I got from reading the two recent Hawkwind biographies (by Abrahams and Clerk) is that Dave was somewhat reluctant to commit full-time to Hawkwind in the very early days, and it's only when it seemed like it was going places that he jumped aboard fully and subsequently assumed the role in which we see him today. (I highly recommend those biographies, even if they do make rather depressing reading---especially the Clerk book.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 25 11:56:06 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:56:06 +0100 Subject: Gig Report: Space Ritual at Wickerman Message-ID: Arthur had played "Fire" twice and done an excellent "Time Captives" in a fairly middling set. He really needs a stronger backing band to make his music come alive. Then it was off to see the Wickerman (or woman?) put to the fire. The ceremony was rather long and drawn out before they finally put it to the torch, but it was spectacular in the end. Back to the Main stage about 12.30am where Nik was being introduced. The lineup was Nik, Terry Ollis, Mick Slattery, Thom Crimble, Dave Anderson, and Sam Ollis on keyboards. They kicked off with a fairly standard version of "Ghost Dance" followed by "Welcome to the Future" in which Sam did well with the spacey noises. "The Right Stuff" came next and to be honest seemed like a Hawkwind track played slowly and with all the blanga taken out. Nik extended this one by a long sax insert and then repeating the "I'm the Right Stuff baby..." line while Sam and Thom played some sort of Jazz/Ska baseline which sounded very weird to me in this song. Then into "Born To Go" which at east did aspire to the possibilities of that track and it was the best of the night. Then came a song I didn't recognise but which was surprisingly melodic until Nik started his sax honking all over the top of it. "Orgone Acumulator" was next and again played slowly and very jazzified. By that time I'd been able to figure out that Terry was playing drums in the Hawkwind style, and Mick Slattery was doing pretty well as a kind of bluesy Langton type lead. Nik's sax wasn't any different to what it's ever been. By elimination the jazz/ska effect is coming from Crimble, Anderson and Sam Ollis. Sonic Savages followed and I'm not familiar enough with the track to comment, then Brainstorm, which again was too slow and jazzy. A poetry track next which I didn't recognise (a chorus line was "Our Saucers are waiting..."). By this time I'd decided that the thing to do was to just ignore the fact that these were Hawkwind songs and just accept the gig as a jass/ska show. It's not a style I like a great deal, but Nik is quite the showman and it was at least a lively gig, with folks down the front having fun. They ran through Watching the Grass Grow/ Master of the Universe/ Children of the Sun and You Shouldn't Do That. CoTS sounded much like the Xin track and YSDT occasionally sounded like there was some blanga in it. They cut the power except to Nik's mic around 2.30am and Nik went on through In the Mood/Pink Panther/ Tequila on the sax before wandering down to shake hands with the front row. All in all I had a pretty good time once I'd given up on hearing anything like Hawkwind. The sound quality was good. The only major downer was the two completely trashed prats who kept "befriending" on me just because I wore a Viking helmet with flashing horns. One of them then flew at this guy in a wheelchair, knocking him out of it and continuing to fight with him on the ground. That's what I call fucked up in a major way. I would very much recommend the Wickerman Festival. It's beautiful Borders countryside. The camping is near the parking field and there's loads of room to camp compared to the big festivals. Plus there's only one farmhouse even visible, so they could just keep playing music. A very nice laidback weekend, and some pyromania thrown in. Maybe we can get the real Hawkwind next year... FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jul 25 13:56:34 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:56:34 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on Mission Control very shortly... Cheers, Keef From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 25 14:01:54 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:01:54 +0100 Subject: real music club Message-ID: Real Music Club - Thu 28 July - Marlborough Theatre, Princes St, Brighton - Captain Sensible, Monty Oxymoron, Commander Jim Hawkman, Judge Trev, The Uncontrollables, Jaki Windmill, maybe Angelflame too - 8.00pm - 11.00pm - for more details - http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers to be removed from rfm updates reply with "unsubscribe" From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jul 25 14:07:31 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:07:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: TMTYL Link Message-ID: Oops, Forgot the HW filter on the first post! OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on Mission Control very shortly... Cheers, Keef From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Mon Jul 25 15:38:40 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaos Illumination) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:38:40 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: Hi All, OMG - Spirit of the Age [CD 2} Single is no 1 on Amazon hot 25 Singles pre-release charts, hotly followed by Spirit of the Age [CD 1] at no. 2...and TMTYL special edition is no. 3 in top 25 hot pre-release albums with the standard edition at no. 7. Now if only we can get the charts to reflect that when they are both finally released - HW on TOTP anyone ;-) Marie n Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: HW: Re: TMTYL Link > Oops, Forgot the HW filter on the first post! > > OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL > has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries > the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. > > Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on > Mission Control very shortly... > > Cheers, > > Keef From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Mon Jul 25 15:52:51 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:52:51 -0500 Subject: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: <007501c59150$75dd5d60$1530a8c0@Marie> Message-ID: Bloomin Great :-) :-) All Systems Go. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chaos Illumination Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:39 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Hi All, OMG - Spirit of the Age [CD 2} Single is no 1 on Amazon hot 25 Singles pre-release charts, hotly followed by Spirit of the Age [CD 1] at no. 2...and TMTYL special edition is no. 3 in top 25 hot pre-release albums with the standard edition at no. 7. Now if only we can get the charts to reflect that when they are both finally released - HW on TOTP anyone ;-) Marie n Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: HW: Re: TMTYL Link > Oops, Forgot the HW filter on the first post! > > OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL > has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries > the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. > > Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on > Mission Control very shortly... > > Cheers, > > Keef From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 15:58:13 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:58:13 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: Yay, ordered right one first time - destiny...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: Re: TMTYL Link > OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL > has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries > the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. > > Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on > Mission Control very shortly... > > Cheers, > > Keef > From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 16:28:18 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Dear all, I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end after a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed members of this list. Neil -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Jul 25 16:47:53 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:53 -0400 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Hi Neil Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader gets the same treatment. Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} Rik On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne wrote: >Dear all, > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end after >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed >members of this list. > >Neil > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 16:56:29 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:56:29 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Cheers Rik, I suppose I'm only really surprised over how long my patience lasted!! Still, looking forward to August, September and Decembers events. Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > Hi Neil > > Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the > Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader > gets the same treatment. > > Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} > > Rik > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne > wrote: > > >Dear all, > > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, > >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end > after > >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new > >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. > >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed > >members of this list. > > > >Neil > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Jul 25 17:00:27 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:00:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Release Detail Message-ID: + ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + + ++ Release Information: NEW STUDIO SINGLE: 'Spirit of the Age' RELEASE DATE: 30th August 2005 There will be two CD's released simultaneously; CD1: Catalogue Number: HAWKVP55CD1 / ASIN: B000AIZ8GS Tracks: 1) Spirit Of The Age (Radio Edit) 2) Angela Android (live) 3) Assassins of Allah (live) CD2: Catalogue Number: HAWKVP55CD2 / ASIN: B000AIZ8H2 Tracks; 1) Spirit Of The Age (Live - featuring Matthew Wright) 2) Paradox 2005 (studio) --- NEW STUDIO ALBUM: 'Take Me To Your Leader' [details] [pre-order] RELEASE DATE: 12th September 2005 CATALOGUE #'s: special edition (with DVD) is HAWKVP35CDSE / ASIN# B000AIZ8GI standard edition is HAWKVP35CD / ASIN# B000AIZ8G8 IMPORTANT: TO GUARANTEE THAT YOU GET A COPY OF THE ALBUM ASAP (WITH DVD) PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU ONLY ORDER FROM MAIN RETAILERS SUCH AS AMAZON.CO.UK AS INITIALLY STOCKS WILL ONLY BE GOING TO THESE OUTLETS. SUPPLIES TO OTHER RETAILERS (INCLUDING MANY ONLINE MAIL-ORDER OUTLTETS) MAY WELL BE SUBJECT TO LENGTHY DELAYS....YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !!!.... + ++ ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + + www.hawkwind.com Hawkwind's website - The world's #1 and greatest e-source for Hawkwind fans -- created and maintained by Hawkwind. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Jul 25 17:30:47 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:30:47 -0400 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: I quit last list over a year ago. Never seemed to be much HW chat. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Toyne" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Ooops [off] > Dear all, > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, > it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end > after > a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new > releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. > There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed > members of this list. > > Neil > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jul 25 17:42:28 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:42:28 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Well met, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > I quit last list over a year ago. Never seemed to be much HW chat. Cheers > Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Toyne" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:28 PM > Subject: Ooops [off] > > > > Dear all, > > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, > > it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end > > after > > a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new > > releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. > > There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed > > members of this list. > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Jul 25 18:05:06 2005 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:05:06 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... In-Reply-To: <42E4EAA0.9000700@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I've seen Nik in various contexts, with various people, over the past 10 > or 12 years, and it's always been variable -- sometimes great, sometimes > not so great. Depends more on the line-up than on Nik, as you might > expect! Frankly, I usually think that way about Hawkwind, too ;) But I > always loved the Grateful Dead, and they too were perfectly capable of > stepping out and sucking royally on any given night even in the periods > where they were at the top of their game :) That's what makes it fun. Have you seen the Grateful Dead DVD Sunshine Daydream (from'72 sources)? J From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Jul 25 19:10:33 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:10:33 -0400 Subject: Ooops [off] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not exactly Rik No one was thrown out of the Yahoo group. 1) You were put on moderation as was Colin after a bru ha ha with you Colin and Bob. Your membership was inadvertently pared from the rolls as is all bouncing members. Subsequently you refused several re invites by myself. 2) Kris is still a member of the Yahoo group. I just checked the rolls. 3) No one, I repeat No one has been banned or kicked out from the Yahoo group. What happened back then was very unfortunate but passing around incorrect information does no one any good. Thanks in advance Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Ooops [off] Hi Neil Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader gets the same treatment. Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} Rik On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne wrote: >Dear all, > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end after >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed >members of this list. > >Neil > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM Mon Jul 25 19:45:51 2005 From: drill.0010.1011.1100 at GMAIL.COM (Drill) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:45:51 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... In-Reply-To: <20050725122623.63013.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > To whoever brought up Lemmy & Hawkestra...Hawkestra wasn't as good as > predicted because, a. there was little rehearsal, b. the sound was crap in > the hall and the monitors were very obviously not working right, c. Huw was > awful, and d. it was too long and had no continuity. yes, yes it WOULD have been a waste of $1000 to have travelled alone to Hawkestra! > And anyway, Motorhead is a great band, and Lemmy is truly God. :) > Actually, Motorhead's musical legacy would be a lot better if Lemmy didn't > crank out so many albums, and therefore refuse to throw out not-up-to-snuff > tracks that effectively dilute his albums. If he only released half as many > albums over the last 30 years, with only the best tracks from successive > pairs on each, then he'd have made a load of great albums. But anyway, > Motorhead has nothing to do with Space Rock, so there's no crime in not > liking it. I didn't for quite some time, just because back then (when I was > 16), I didn't like sloppy music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy > drummer. Their concerts are abusive. Always a warpig backdrop for you and they are always 50 minutes late whilst everyone stands shoulder to shoulder in a sweaty hall where no re-entry is permitted, and it's true they're into making the volume so high you can't recognize favorite songs. In his mr. Bigshot biography I heard he said something to the effect that Rob Calvert was not a genius...but cannot get furious until seen first hand. Also perplexed to see Lemmy schmoozing at a WWF show on TV. It's good music though, the Motorhead songs I like, as for whole albums I can play alot I guess there's two perhaps 3, and for me the most recent stuff I liked was Sacrifice (1995). Like Sacrifice alot actually, as much as the self titled Motorhead album. > I don't know anything about Gmail, or whatever that whole discussion was > about. I don't have a home (let alone my own computer), and therefore no Gmail is for commie pinko faggots. > P.P.P.S. But the worst ever 'recommended for space/prog types' album has to > be that White Noise thing...that was unlistenable. Anthrax? > P.P.P.P.S. I'm sad that VDGG sold out in Amsterdam before I was able to > figure out a way to get a ticket. I was seriously thinking of going, esp. > since I like some of the reunion tracks a lot (Every Bloody Emperor, Nutter > Alert). Did anyone go? Report? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Rotary Clench Mars Human Exchange & Suicide Program - Kill All Humans From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jul 26 01:26:01 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:26:01 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: I beg to differ............ Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > Not exactly Rik > > No one was thrown out of the Yahoo group. > > 1) You were put on moderation as was Colin after a bru ha ha with you Colin > and Bob. Your membership was inadvertently pared from the rolls as is all > bouncing members. Subsequently you refused several re invites by myself. > > 2) Kris is still a member of the Yahoo group. I just checked the rolls. > > 3) No one, I repeat No one has been banned or kicked out from the Yahoo > group. > > What happened back then was very unfortunate but passing around incorrect > information does no one any good. > > Thanks in advance > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Rik Rx > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > > > Hi Neil > > Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the > Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader > gets the same treatment. > > Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} > > Rik > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne > wrote: > > >Dear all, > > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a while, > >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end > after > >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new > >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. > >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed > >members of this list. > > > >Neil > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jul 26 01:55:54 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:55:54 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Link Message-ID: Just checked - the CDSE version is now number 1 in the pre-order chart at Amazon............ Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Kirwan" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: TMTYL Link > Yay, ordered right one first time - destiny...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Barton" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: TMTYL Link > > > > OK, time to check your orders on Amazon. The standard release of TMTYL > > has the catalogue number HAWKVP35CD whereas the special edition carries > > the catalogue number HAWKVP35CDSE. > > > > Details of the tracks appearing on the singles will be appearing on > > Mission Control very shortly... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Keef > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jul 26 01:55:34 2005 From: Sam.Kirwan at NTLWORLD.COM (Sam Kirwan) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:55:34 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Agree with Neil, it started to taste real bad over there. Not at all what HW's about. Believe, I'll be off this one if it gets like that but I was on this one before and it's always been good-natured. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Toyne" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Ooops [off] >I beg to differ............ > > Neil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Montfort" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:10 AM > Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > > >> Not exactly Rik >> >> No one was thrown out of the Yahoo group. >> >> 1) You were put on moderation as was Colin after a bru ha ha with you > Colin >> and Bob. Your membership was inadvertently pared from the rolls as is all >> bouncing members. Subsequently you refused several re invites by myself. >> >> 2) Kris is still a member of the Yahoo group. I just checked the rolls. >> >> 3) No one, I repeat No one has been banned or kicked out from the Yahoo >> group. >> >> What happened back then was very unfortunate but passing around incorrect >> information does no one any good. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On >> Behalf Of Rik Rx >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: Ooops [off] >> >> >> Hi Neil >> >> Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the >> Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader >> gets the same treatment. >> >> Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} >> >> Rik >> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne >> wrote: >> >> >Dear all, >> > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a > while, >> >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end >> after >> >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new >> >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. >> >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed >> >members of this list. >> > >> >Neil >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jul 26 02:02:55 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:02:55 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: I've noticed that it certainly seems more relaxed and good-natured, in the short time since I joined this group in May . Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Kirwan" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > Agree with Neil, it started to taste real bad over there. Not at all what > HW's about. Believe, I'll be off this one if it gets like that but I was on > this one before and it's always been good-natured. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Toyne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > > > >I beg to differ............ > > > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Montfort" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:10 AM > > Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > > > > > >> Not exactly Rik > >> > >> No one was thrown out of the Yahoo group. > >> > >> 1) You were put on moderation as was Colin after a bru ha ha with you > > Colin > >> and Bob. Your membership was inadvertently pared from the rolls as is all > >> bouncing members. Subsequently you refused several re invites by myself. > >> > >> 2) Kris is still a member of the Yahoo group. I just checked the rolls. > >> > >> 3) No one, I repeat No one has been banned or kicked out from the Yahoo > >> group. > >> > >> What happened back then was very unfortunate but passing around incorrect > >> information does no one any good. > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > >> Behalf Of Rik Rx > >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 PM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: Re: Ooops [off] > >> > >> > >> Hi Neil > >> > >> Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the > >> Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader > >> gets the same treatment. > >> > >> Never mind, we'll be posting here on a regular basis :-} > >> > >> Rik > >> > >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:18 +0100, Neil Toyne > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Dear all, > >> > I wonder whether it might be alright to camp here for a > > while, > >> >it would appear that my membership on t'other list has met its sad end > >> after > >> >a mere four years, due to a slight disagreement over whether the new > >> >releases should elicit a modicum of positive feelings amongst hawk fans. > >> >There, as full and singular an account as I will dump on the esteemed > >> >members of this list. > >> > > >> >Neil > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jul 26 03:33:19 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:33:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sunshine Daydream In-Reply-To: <42E56212.5060606@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: On 25 Jul 2005, at 23:05, Jerry Guizar wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> But I >> always loved the Grateful Dead, and they too were perfectly >> capable of >> stepping out and sucking royally on any given night even in the >> periods >> where they were at the top of their game :) That's what makes it >> fun. > > Have you seen the Grateful Dead DVD Sunshine Daydream (from'72 > sources)? Yeah, I've got a traded DVD-R. An ... interesting document, I thought! I can see why its official release kinda fizzled away to nothing :) However, the show where the film was shot is justly famous -- I've got a very good copy of audio from that show, and the playing is excellent. Shame the film coverage was kind of ... haphazard! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Jul 26 04:46:31 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:46:31 -0400 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Hi Mike - I have now answered this in full OFFLIST to you, and supplied you with copies of supporting documentation. My position stands. However, I do not want this issue spilling over into this list. No need. Mail me offlist by all means. Thanx Rik From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 05:50:43 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:50:43 +0100 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault (2) Message-ID: Last comment from me on this...(probably)... As with Keith i hasten to point out that i was not making comparisons between SR & HW and that i was merely relating my one experience of seeing Space Ritual at a recent gig that i did not enjoy (and that has also ruined any chance of getting my sister to leave the safety and comfort of her lounge/tv setup ever again!) Someone has proposed the title jazz/ska - yes maybe that coins it - acid jazz/ska/skiffle/ - i kept thinking of really awful 50's program signature tunes... cheesy and 'like groovy baby!' (Austin Powers)...i don't think the sax helped... As for - "if you don't like it, don't go!" - i didn't know how dire they would be until I witnessed it (at a cost of about ?20 inc. travel).. and well - maybe i was trying to help others not fall into the trap that they would be getting anything other than what, someone else pointed out, was a load of dreg.(not to mention the embarrassment of standing next to my big sis while the 'dancer' attempted to arouse the crowd in latex - i think she thinks I'm some kind of prevert now!!) regards Maxine From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Jul 26 07:33:39 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:33:39 -0400 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: Appologies for those who've already read this elsewhere, the delay was purely because i ran out of time, anyway for those who have read it stop now, for the others please read on - Hi all long time no communication from myself, but lets ignore that and move on to more pressing matters, namely Hawkwind's new single, Spirit of the Age that's due out at the end of August. As you know I was heading up the "Chart Trek" campaign and that's still the case, there is various snippets at the Hawkwind Museum website that I've added recently but underneath here are a few ideas that you might want to persue in relation to attempting to Make SOTA the most successful Hawkwind single since Silver Machine over 30 years ago. One thing before we go any further, i would advise that all overseas fans who've not yet ordered the single to hold off until i get clarification as to wether by you ordering direct will count towards a UK chart placing, if this is not the case we will have to try and find a way around this. we've still got five weeks as i write this so there's no need to panic, or should i say "DO NOT PANIC" ;-) anyway here's a few ideas that you might like to follow up - 1 - a mate of mine who's not a member of the list but is a huge Hawkwind fan is producing his own DIY flyers that he's put up on his notice board at work and he's already managed to convince a few of his colleagues to buy the single. Why not do the same, keep it simple making sure you include the following - a) the bands name - Hawkwind b) the name of the single - Spirit Of The Age c) release date - 30th August 2005 d) ordering details - Amazon.co.uk e) one or all of the following web sites for more details - www.hawkwind.com www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk www.starfarer.net you might also want to add that it features Channel 5 daytime star Matthew Wright and anything else you feel is relevant. please get permission from the owner if you intend to use any logos or graphics, but i would say that bold and simple is your best approach anyway. 2 - get talking to serious music fans when you're at work, out socializing or anywhere for that matter, explain what we're trying to do and ask that for less than a tenner they fancy lending their weight to the project. this is proper music in a chart that is predominantly filled with processed, over produced rubbish so I'm sure some true music fans would be happy to get behind us even if it's "not their particular bag (baby)". it might also be an idea to loan out copies of albums, be it originals or back up copies that feature the song SOTA so these folks can see what they're buying into, well at least roughly how the song sounds. remember to many casuals observers Hawkwind will get tagged as "Heavy Metal" something they are clearly not especially where SOTA is concerned. i am in no way condoning the copying of these albums or any other for that matter but i believe it's not illegal (or morally wrong for that matter) to lend something! alternatively you can always direct them to www.hawkwnd.com where of course there are samples of SOTA and the rest of the new album, but we always have to remember that not everyones online. 3 - start hounding local, national, Internet, well any bl**dy radio station you can think of. start by simply trying to get Hawkwind played so at this point Silver Machine has to be the favorite for this, but this need not be a problem. what you must do however is inform us (this group, Chart Trek, Hawkwind Museum, Starfarer) of any success you have, we can then attempt to "mobilize troops" (that's the rest of you) to follow up with further communication - "blimey that was brilliant hearing Hawkwind on the radio, lets have some more please!" - "can't belive i just heard Hawkwind on the radio, did you know they are releasing a new single soon!" that sort of thing, this can only help in promoting the bands name, there are literally 1000's of people out there who love this band but are simply not aware they exist anymore! many of these same people are listening to radio stations all over the world - SPREAD THE WORD, so get phoning, e-mailing or whatever other means you see fit to employ but please let us know. 4 - as far as i am aware at this point it looks as though it's going to be an Internet only release, i.e - you're not going to be able to stroll into you're local HMV, Virgin etc and pick it "off the shelf". remember that although most folks now have access to the www in some shape or form many still don't, so again talk to people, let then know and if need be, order the single on there behalf, IMO those people have as much right to purchase this single as the rest of us so this can in no way be deemed as chart rigging. right, I'm going to call it a halt there as you're probably all bored senseless by now anyway but in summing up i must reiterate that these are merely ideas, it's up to you what you do, also remember that i have no official connection with the band so although I'm sure that they would have no objection to any of these ideas being carried out they do not have official sanctioning. also feel free to come up with your own suggestions for further publicity, either via this list or to me via personal e-mail at dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk thanks for your time and patience with this and look forward to your thoughts. regards Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Jul 26 07:41:06 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:41:06 -0400 Subject: HELP NEEDED Message-ID: I've been asked by Voiceprint records to compile a list of upcoming Festivals and gigs where flyers can be distributed in relation to the imminent release of Take Me To Your Leader so come on folks lets have some suggestions, we're looking for the "Non Hardcore" fans here so places where people who are likely to "dig" or were once into Hawkwind are of particular interest. I'm also on the lookout for volunteers who would be prepared to spread the word by handing out such flyers. On both counts I'd suggest that you contact me off list as some of the details you need to give are personal, this can be done by dropping an e-mail to - dl006a5789 at blueyonder.co.uk but basically WE NEED YOUR HELP! also remember that this doesn't just apply to the UK as there are loads of new and former Hawkwind fans out there who need to know about this album (and single) thanks in advance regards Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 08:33:38 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:33:38 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: Chaos Illumination's message of Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: Chaos Illumination writes: > Hi All, > > OMG - Spirit of the Age [CD 2} Single is no 1 on Amazon hot 25 Singles > pre-release charts, hotly followed by Spirit of the Age [CD 1] at no. > 2...and TMTYL special edition is no. 3 in top 25 hot pre-release albums with > the standard edition at no. 7. > Now if only we can get the charts to reflect that when they are both finally > released - HW on TOTP anyone ;-) So are the Starship Troopers gonna get orders from Chart Trek high command about where and when to buy? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 08:35:49 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:35:49 +0100 Subject: Ooops [off] In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:53 -0400 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the > Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader > gets the same treatment. Maybe I should join and try to set a record? I have something of a talent for disagreement... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 08:45:43 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:45:43 +0100 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault (2) In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:50:43 +0100 Message-ID: > Someone has proposed the title jazz/ska Could've been me. > - yes maybe that coins it - acid jazz/ska/skiffle/ - i kept thinking > of really awful 50's program signature tunes... cheesy and 'like > groovy baby!' (Austin Powers)...i don't think the sax helped... Other than for the truly major blanga tracks, I'm not sure the sax ever helped. T'were a little different with Jez Hugget, who gave the impression that he could in fact play along with, rather than play against a song. > As for - "if you don't like it, don't go!" Indeed. For me, if you drop any expectation of it being like Hawkwind, it can be fun just because Nik is a good live showman, but it's each according to his own tastes. > (not to mention the embarrassment > of standing next to my big sis while the 'dancer' attempted to arouse > the crowd in latex - i think she thinks I'm some kind of prevert > now!!) Well on Saturday the dancer appeared in Nun's Habit, Nurse's Uniform etc. She wasn't great, but she did put two hours of effort into it and I think that's pretty good going. I didn't think it was particularly meant to be erotic, but I don't either think something is necessarily bad just because it's erotic. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 08:50:14 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:50:14 +0100 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! In-Reply-To: Dave Law's message of Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: Dave Law writes: > 4 - as far as i am aware at this point it looks as though it's going to be > an Internet only release, i.e - you're not going to be able to stroll into > you're local HMV, Virgin etc and pick it "off the shelf". So *where* particularly can we order it so that it'll count towards the charts, and are we gonna pick a day when we should all order en masse? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 26 08:52:23 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:52:23 +0100 Subject: HELP NEEDED In-Reply-To: Dave Law's message of Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: Dave Law writes: > I've been asked by Voiceprint records to compile a list of upcoming > Festivals and gigs where flyers can be distributed in relation to the > imminent release of Take Me To Your Leader so come on folks lets have some > suggestions, we're looking for the "Non Hardcore" fans here so places where > people who are likely to "dig" or were once into Hawkwind are of particular > interest. > I'm also on the lookout for volunteers who would be prepared to spread the > word by handing out such flyers. Well I'll be hanging around this little known festival called "The Edinburgh Festival" which starts in a week or so. I hear about a million people are coming to that. I could leave some flyers around... FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 26 10:53:21 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:21 -0400 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault (2) In-Reply-To: <42E61597.25239.879B74@port.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 10:50 +0100, Maxine Wesley wrote: > As for - "if you don't like it, don't go!" - i didn't know how dire they would be > until I witnessed it (at a cost of about ?20 inc. travel).. and well - maybe i > was trying to help others not fall into the trap that they would be getting > anything other than what, someone else pointed out, was a load of dreg.(not > to mention the embarrassment of standing next to my big sis while the > 'dancer' attempted to arouse the crowd in latex - i think she thinks I'm some > kind of prevert now!!) To their credit, Space Ritual do allow taping and trading of their shows, so it's not quite completely a pig in a poke. If you ask around (e.g., in the neo-quark Yahoo! group), someone might be able to hook you up with a recent show. Of course, this is all a bit late and a bit moot in your case. Oh, and it also doesn't warn you about the embarrassment factor you experienced, unless the recording you get happens to have picked up the occasional sounds of "Phwoar!" and the rustling of macs from audience members. ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Jul 26 14:58:49 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:58:49 -0400 Subject: Ooops [off] Message-ID: Just say Hi to Bob from me - that should do it :-} On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:35:49 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Rik Rx writes: > > >> Welcome to the 'club' - even the band have been thrown out by the >> Yahoo list 'moderator' - seems that anyone who disagrees with the leader >> gets the same treatment. > >Maybe I should join and try to set a record? I have something of a >talent for disagreement... > >FoFP From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jul 26 15:24:01 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:24:01 +0100 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > P.P.P.S. But the worst ever 'recommended for space/prog types' album has to > be that White Noise thing...that was unlistenable. Anthrax? Anthrax have to be one of the most listenable rock bands ever. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Jul 26 15:43:56 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... In-Reply-To: <20050726192404.AC960E00024A@ranger.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: Sorry to say I hid in the bar for their set when they played in between the Hawks and Motorhead at Wembley. Anthrax should have been third on the Bill :-( Rich W. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mark von bargen Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: NIK: HW: Sorry folks, my fault... > P.P.P.S. But the worst ever 'recommended for space/prog types' album has to > be that White Noise thing...that was unlistenable. Anthrax? Anthrax have to be one of the most listenable rock bands ever. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Jul 26 15:55:59 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:55:59 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?Qk9DOiAgVGhlIERldmlsJ3MgUmVqZWN0cw==?= Message-ID: Props to Rob Zombie for prominently displaying the Agents of Fortune album cover in "The Devil's Rejects". It appears in a scene in which two tight-ass shirt-and-tie types are discussing Satanic cults. One of the guys is holding it and pointing to it, although what he's saying isn't audible at that point. --Nick From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Jul 26 16:22:54 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:22:54 +0100 Subject: Recent gigs In-Reply-To: <1095.155.100.151.27.1122300127.squirrel@mail.wirelessbeehive.com> Message-ID: Brad That particular set from Eugene OR was the show of 2005. No other set lists from this year come close. Here's one from a few weeks ago for example. 17 July 2005 Buffalo Run Casino Miami Oklahoma 01 The Red & The Black 02 OD'd On Life Itself 03 Burnin' For You 04 ETI 05 The Vigil 06 Buck's Boogie 07 Golden Age of Leather 08 Cities On Flame 09 Last Days Of May 10 Godzilla 11 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 12 Hot Rails To Hell Every BOC board I've frequented has people that urge the band to drop tracks like "Burnin For You", "The Reaper" and "Godzilla". The only thing I have any issue with and it's not much, is the drum and bass solo during 'Zilla. They could easily fit another song in there. That said, I would rather see BOC running through a list of songs they've played a thousand times than most other bands. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Brad Dahl Sent: 25 July 2005 15:02 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Recent gigs > Richie Castellano, the new bassist, sings Hot Rails to Hell and makes a > pretty good fist of it too! It's obviously a song for bassists. Thanks for the info, Tony. That is very cool they are letting the new guy sing. I'm hoping they come my way soon. The current setlist intrigues me. Almost worth a road trip! Burn your eyes out! Brad From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jul 26 16:36:28 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:36:28 -0400 Subject: The Devil's Rejects Message-ID: Hi Nick, Is it worth checking out? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: BOC: The Devil's Rejects > Props to Rob Zombie for prominently displaying the Agents of Fortune album > cover in "The Devil's Rejects". It appears in a scene in which two > tight-ass shirt-and-tie types are discussing Satanic cults. One of the > guys is holding it and pointing to it, although what he's saying isn't > audible at that point. > > > --Nick From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jul 26 17:13:04 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Satan's Slightly Irregulars) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:13:04 -0400 Subject: The Devil's Rejects Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:36:28 -0400, Stephe wrote: >Hi Nick, Is it worth checking out? Cheers Stephe Haven't seen it, but I caught part of an Ebert & Roper yakfest where they said something like it's completely disgusting but that's the idea so they gave it thumbs up. Stephan From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jul 26 17:39:35 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:39:35 -0400 Subject: OT: The Devil's Rejects Message-ID: Hi Stephan, Figured it was. Just wondering if its worth paying to see, or just wait to rent the video, We were going to see it yesterday, but decided on Charlie and the Chocolate factory instead. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Satan's Slightly Irregulars" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: Re: The Devil's Rejects > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:36:28 -0400, Stephe wrote: >>Hi Nick, Is it worth checking out? Cheers Stephe > > Haven't seen it, but I caught part of an Ebert & Roper yakfest where they > said something like it's completely disgusting but that's the idea so they > gave it thumbs up. > > Stephan From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Jul 26 18:48:40 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:48:40 -0400 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:50:14 +0100, M Holmes wrote: at this moment in time i'd still say the safest way of ensuring that your copies (remember there's 2 versions) count towards chart placings is by pre ordering from Amazon.co.uk although i'm aware a couple of other online retailers are offering the single i'm unsure of there eligability. again i'd still advise overseas buyers to hold off for the minute until it's clarified one way or another as to whether their sales would count. hope that helps regards Dave >Dave Law writes: > >> 4 - as far as i am aware at this point it looks as though it's going to be >> an Internet only release, i.e - you're not going to be able to stroll into >> you're local HMV, Virgin etc and pick it "off the shelf". > >So *where* particularly can we order it so that it'll count towards the >charts, and are we gonna pick a day when we should all order en masse? > >FoFP From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Jul 26 19:04:50 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:50 -0400 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: Hi Dave, If we wait and miss them because they sellout, will you guarantee copies. I'm serious. I don't want to miss out. These may become rare if they sellout and theres no reprint. Its happened. I pre-ordered the 2 singles and album, but can easily cancel. What if I do as you ask and I miss out? Thoughts??? Cheers Stephe PS The sales probably wouldn't mean much to the US market. If we buy from the UK, why wouldn't it count there? Isn't the count by sales and not who's buying? at this moment in time i'd still say the safest way of ensuring that your copies (remember there's 2 versions) count towards chart placings is by pre ordering from Amazon.co.uk although i'm aware a couple of other online retailers are offering the single i'm unsure of there eligability again i'd still advise overseas buyers to hold off for the minute until it's clarified one way or another as to whether their sales would count. From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Jul 26 19:32:53 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:32:53 -0400 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: hi Steph (and anyone else with similar concerns) a valid point you make and to put your mind at rest i've just pinged of an e-mail to the relevant parties who know about such things so would like to think i can give you a definative answer within the next 24 hours. thanks for yours and everyone elses continued interst in this regards Dave On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:50 -0400, Stephe wrote: >Hi Dave, If we wait and miss them because they sellout, will you guarantee >copies. I'm serious. I don't want to miss out. These may become rare if they >sellout and theres no reprint. Its happened. I pre-ordered the 2 singles and >album, but can easily cancel. What if I do as you ask and I miss out? >Thoughts??? Cheers Stephe >PS The sales probably wouldn't mean much to the US market. If we buy from >the UK, why wouldn't it count there? Isn't the count by sales and not who's >buying? > > at this moment in time i'd still say the safest way of ensuring that your >copies (remember there's 2 versions) count towards chart placings is by pre >ordering from Amazon.co.uk although i'm aware a couple of other online >retailers are offering the single i'm unsure of there eligability > again i'd still advise overseas buyers to hold off for the minute until >it's > clarified one way or another as to whether their sales would count. From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Tue Jul 26 21:08:15 2005 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:08:15 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UkU6IE9UOiBUaGUgRGV2aWwncyBSZWplY3Rz?= Message-ID: It's quite brutal, with very little comic relief, save for Sid Haig, returning as Captain Spaulding from "House of 1000 Corpses". There's an especially funny scene with the three "Devil's Rejects" getting on each other's nerves on a road trip. It really depends on what you like. The movie isn't really gory, per se, but very bloody and intense. It also feels a bit more "serious" than its predecessor. Any and all reference to the supernatural is gone. It's loaded with horror and B-movie veterans in lesser parts, like Ken Foree of "Dawn of the Dead", PJ Soles of "Halloween" and "Rock and Roll High School" fame, porn star Ginger Lynn and EG Daly, who was Pee Wee's girlfriend Dottie in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" and does the voice of Tommy Pickles in the "Rugrats" cartoon. She plays a whore. Leslie Easterbrook, Michael Berryman, Priscilla Barnes. . . (--formerly of Three's Company, I actually didn't recognize her until I saw her name in the credits). . . Debra Van Valkenberg, Steve Railsback, Mary Woronov and William Forsythe are some other recognizable names. Lots of '70s rock in the soundtrack and, thankfully, no metal. (--Nothing kills a horror movie quicker than a thrash soundtrack, IMHO). Great finale played to "Freebird". If you liked "HOuse of 1,000 Corpses", I can't see you not liking this one. It definitely has that same '70s-era horror feel to it. Whether they're good movies or bad, they're definitely interesting and provocative. And extremely well shot, I think. But I'm no expert. ;) --Nick >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: Stephe >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:39:35 > >Hi Stephan, Figured it was. Just wondering if its >worth paying to see, or >just wait to rent the video, We were going to see >it yesterday, but decided >on Charlie and the Chocolate factory instead. >Cheers Stephe > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Satan's Slightly Irregulars" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:13 PM >Subject: Re: The Devil's Rejects > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:36:28 -0400, Stephe > wrote: >>>Hi Nick, Is it worth checking out? Cheers Stephe >> >> Haven't seen it, but I caught part of an Ebert & >Roper yakfest where they >> said something like it's completely disgusting >but that's the idea so they >> gave it thumbs up. >> >> Stephan From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 05:25:34 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:25:34 +0100 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know what night Hawkwind are playing at the Off the Tracks festival. Will be fishing nearby and would like to pop in for this (but not neccessarily the rest of the weekend)... cheers Maxine From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 27 05:46:51 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:46:51 +0000 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: It's saturday night according to the festival website: http://www.offthetracks.co.uk/Sept%2005%20prog.htm Nick > ----Original Message---- > From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK > Date: Jul 27, 2005 9:25:34 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subj: Re: Off the tracks > > Hi, > > Does anyone know what night Hawkwind are playing at the Off the > Tracks festival. Will be fishing nearby and would like to pop in for this > (but not neccessarily the rest of the weekend)... > > cheers > > Maxine From andrew.sones at BANKOFAMERICA.COM Wed Jul 27 05:40:27 2005 From: andrew.sones at BANKOFAMERICA.COM (Sones, Andrew) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:40:27 +0100 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: http://www.offthetracks.co.uk/Sept%2005%20prog.htm saturday night, start at 22:20 on the main stage -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Maxine Wesley Sent: 27 July 2005 10:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Off the tracks Hi, Does anyone know what night Hawkwind are playing at the Off the Tracks festival. Will be fishing nearby and would like to pop in for this (but not neccessarily the rest of the weekend)... cheers Maxine Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. 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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 06:20:02 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:20:02 +0100 Subject: Off the tracks In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know what night Hawkwind are playing at the Off the > Tracks festival. Will be fishing nearby and would like to pop in for this > (but not neccessarily the rest of the weekend)... So who's going? We're gonna try to get down at the end of our summer holiday. Looks like Hawkwind will be playing on my birthday.... FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 27 06:26:57 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:26:57 +0000 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: > > So who's going? We're gonna try to get down at the end of our summer > holiday. Looks like Hawkwind will be playing on my birthday.... > > FoFP Does that mean you'll be having a couple of beers to celebrate? Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 06:30:00 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:30:00 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: Chaos Illumination's message of Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: Chaos Illumination writes: > Hi All, > > OMG - Spirit of the Age [CD 2} Single is no 1 on Amazon hot 25 Singles > pre-release charts, hotly followed by Spirit of the Age [CD 1] at no. > 2...and TMTYL special edition is no. 3 in top 25 hot pre-release albums with > the standard edition at no. 7. What's the web page for these charts? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 06:32:52 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:32:52 +0100 Subject: Off the tracks In-Reply-To: nick.lee2@virgin.net's message of Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:26:57 +0000 Message-ID: nick.lee2 at virgin.net writes: > > > > So who's going? We're gonna try to get down at the end of our summer > > holiday. Looks like Hawkwind will be playing on my birthday.... > Does that mean you'll be having a couple of beers to celebrate? Ach, I might have just the one... FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 27 06:50:58 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:50:58 +0000 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: > > > > > > So who's going? We're gonna try to get down at the end of our summer > > > holiday. Looks like Hawkwind will be playing on my birthday.... > > > Does that mean you'll be having a couple of beers to celebrate? > > Ach, I might have just the one... Push the boat out and have two as it's a special occasion! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 07:52:02 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:52:02 +0100 Subject: Angela-San Android Message-ID: Looks like someone built one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 08:01:30 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:01:30 +0100 Subject: Angela-San Android Message-ID: Yep - sure looks human - that second piccie looks as "mardy" as any teenager I've seen............... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Angela-San Android > Looks like someone built one: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Jul 27 08:15:55 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:15:55 -0400 Subject: Angela-San Android Message-ID: Oh boy, like the population isn't on overload already. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Angela-San Android > Looks like someone built one: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Wed Jul 27 08:09:21 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:09:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: This may be a closer match though... Scroll down to "Sample 10": http://www.realdoll.com/dolls.asp You can even have alien skintones: http://www.realdoll.com/studio.asp (just below the she-male options!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Angela-San Android > Looks like someone built one: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 27 08:24:49 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:24:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: I'll not ask how you came across this, some sort of research I expect... > ----Original Message---- > From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK > Date: Jul 27, 2005 12:09:21 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subj: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > > This may be a closer match though... > > Scroll down to "Sample 10": http://www.realdoll.com/dolls.asp > > You can even have alien skintones: http://www.realdoll.com/studio.asp (just > below the she-male options!) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Angela-San Android > > > > Looks like someone built one: > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 08:35:08 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:35:08 +0100 Subject: Angela-San Android Message-ID: 'scuse me........................... Do you have a lot of time on your hands (or should we read more into this.......!!!! *G*) Neil (comforted by the intervening 150 miles between Edinburgh and Darlington) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaosillumination" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > This may be a closer match though... > > Scroll down to "Sample 10": http://www.realdoll.com/dolls.asp > > You can even have alien skintones: http://www.realdoll.com/studio.asp (just > below the she-male options!) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Angela-San Android > > > > Looks like someone built one: > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jul 27 08:38:08 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:38:08 -0500 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: <200507271030.j6RAU0bG013830@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon : :Chaos Illumination writes: : :> Hi All, :> :> OMG - Spirit of the Age [CD 2} Single is no 1 on Amazon hot 25 Singles :> pre-release charts, hotly followed by Spirit of the Age [CD 1] at no. :> 2...and TMTYL special edition is no. 3 in top 25 hot pre-release albums with :> the standard edition at no. 7. : :What's the web page for these charts? : Hot prerelease albums: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon-preorder-chart/ref=ts_ch_2_2/026-0385513-5003646 Hot prerelease cd singles: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon-preorder-chart-singles/ref=ts_ch_2_11/026-0385513-5003646 Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 27 09:36:53 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:36:53 +0100 Subject: Off the tracks In-Reply-To: nick.lee2@virgin.net's message of Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:50:58 +0000 Message-ID: nick.lee2 at virgin.net writes: > > > > > > > > So who's going? We're gonna try to get down at the end of our summer > > > > holiday. Looks like Hawkwind will be playing on my birthday.... > > > Does that mean you'll be having a couple of beers to celebrate? > > Ach, I might have just the one... > Push the boat out and have two as it's a special occasion! Well, if they do "Where Are They Now?" I might have another half... FoFP From chip at PCC.COM Wed Jul 27 10:01:21 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:01:21 -0400 Subject: OT: The Devil's Rejects (DYZB!) In-Reply-To: <200507270108.j6R18FMj34919763@www1502.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: > It's loaded with horror and B-movie veterans in lesser parts, like Ken Foree of "Dawn of the Dead", PJ Soles of "Halloween" and "Rock and Roll High School" fame, porn star Ginger Lynn and EG Daly, who was Pee Wee's girlfriend Dottie in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" and does the voice of Tommy Pickles in the "Rugrats" cartoon. She plays a whore. ...in a similar vein, some here might want to check out "Die You Zombie Bastards!": dieyouzombiebastards.com The soundtrack includes Hasil Adkins (with some amazing footage), "THE PHOTON TORPEDOES, PHANTOM CREEPS, THE SPECTRES, SUPERKOLLIDER, CHUCK McCANN & THE TOMBSTONE BRAWLERS, COUNT SMOKULA, MEDLAB, SAWZALL, GIMANTIS, ZAKAS, THE VOODOO ORGANIST AND all new music by PAUL LEARY from the BUTTHOLE SURFERS!" Jamie Gillis (yes, that one) also plays a role. If you're in the Boston area, the premiere is this Friday night. Check out the trailer, at least. -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter. Your Practice Just Got Healthier. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 27 10:18:48 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:18:48 +0000 Subject: Off the tracks Message-ID: > > Well, if they do "Where Are They Now?" I might have another half... ...gallon? From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 14:55:40 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:55:40 +0100 Subject: TMTYL on Amazon Message-ID: Hi folks, just checked on Amazon, TMTYL is at #1 and the details have now been expanded to read: Take Me to Your Leader [CD + DVD] [Amazon.co.uk Exclusive] This may clear a few questions up for folk. It also has a complete tracklisting: Track Listings Disc: 1 1. Spirit Of The Age 2. Out Here We Are 3. Greenback Massacre 4. To Love A Machine 5. Take Me To Your Leader 6. Digital Nation 7. Sunray 8. Sighs 9. Angela Android 10. A Letter To Robert Of The Micro Man Disc: 2 1. Interview with Dave Brock 2. Special live clips with a special appearance by Lemmy Cheers, Neil (apologies for the shenanigans with the fonts, outlook strikes again...) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 15:42:09 2005 From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:42:09 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ?see the singles are keeping Oasis at number 3. Does that mean Hawkwind are bigger than the Beatles now? Mind you, am I the only one a bit sad to see Hawkwind buying into the game of releasing multiple versions of the same thing? I know, I know, I'm an old fogie who doesn't get it and still thinks EPs were a neat idea. At least there's only two versions and the seem to have different "A Sides," unlike the umpteen differently mixed "B Sides" and the obligatory DVD single that all the other entries in the chart seem to have! > :What's the web page for these charts? > : > > Hot prerelease albums: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > preorder-chart/ref=ts_ch_2_2/026-0385513-5003646 > > Hot prerelease cd singles: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > preorder-chart-singles/ref=ts_ch_2_11/026-0385513-5003646 > From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Jul 27 16:09:33 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:33 -0500 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Multiformatting isn't as bad as the mid 80's though, 6-7 formats for a single wasn't unusual. Expensive as it was back then, it was fun collecting ;-) Or should I say Kollecting, since I was still a kollector back then. I'm still trying to catch up with some of the multiformatting that Mercury/Phonogram perpetrated with 'The Mission' and 'All About Eve' Rich W. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of David Greenhalgh Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon ?see the singles are keeping Oasis at number 3. Does that mean Hawkwind are bigger than the Beatles now? Mind you, am I the only one a bit sad to see Hawkwind buying into the game of releasing multiple versions of the same thing? I know, I know, I'm an old fogie who doesn't get it and still thinks EPs were a neat idea. At least there's only two versions and the seem to have different "A Sides," unlike the umpteen differently mixed "B Sides" and the obligatory DVD single that all the other entries in the chart seem to have! > :What's the web page for these charts? > : > > Hot prerelease albums: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > preorder-chart/ref=ts_ch_2_2/026-0385513-5003646 > > Hot prerelease cd singles: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > preorder-chart-singles/ref=ts_ch_2_11/026-0385513-5003646 > From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 27 16:22:27 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:22:27 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:33 -0500, Rich wrote: >The Multiformatting isn't as bad as the mid 80's though, 6-7 formats for a single wasn't unusual. Expensive as it was back then, it was fun collecting ;-) Or should I say Kollecting, since I was still a kollector back then. > >I'm still trying to catch up with some of the multiformatting that Mercury/Phonogram perpetrated with 'The Mission' and 'All About Eve' > > >Rich W. > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of David Greenhalgh >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:42 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > >???see the singles are keeping Oasis at number 3. Does that mean >Hawkwind are bigger than the Beatles now? > >Mind you, am I the only one a bit sad to see Hawkwind buying into the >game of releasing multiple versions of the same thing? I know, I >know, I'm an old fogie who doesn't get it and still thinks EPs were a >neat idea. At least there's only two versions and the seem to have >different "A Sides," unlike the umpteen differently mixed "B Sides" >and the obligatory DVD single that all the other entries in the chart >seem to have! > >> :What's the web page for these charts? >> : >> >> Hot prerelease albums: >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- >> preorder-chart/ref=ts_ch_2_2/026-0385513-5003646 >> >> Hot prerelease cd singles: >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- >> preorder-chart-singles/ref=ts_ch_2_11/026-0385513-5003646 >> Wai From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 16:29:44 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: Wooden that be good............... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:33 -0500, Rich wrote: > > >The Multiformatting isn't as bad as the mid 80's though, 6-7 formats for a > single wasn't unusual. Expensive as it was back then, it was fun > collecting ;-) Or should I say Kollecting, since I was still a kollector > back then. > > > >I'm still trying to catch up with some of the multiformatting that > Mercury/Phonogram perpetrated with 'The Mission' and 'All About Eve' > > > > > >Rich W. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of David Greenhalgh > >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:42 PM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > > > > >???see the singles are keeping Oasis at number 3. Does that mean > >Hawkwind are bigger than the Beatles now? > > > >Mind you, am I the only one a bit sad to see Hawkwind buying into the > >game of releasing multiple versions of the same thing? I know, I > >know, I'm an old fogie who doesn't get it and still thinks EPs were a > >neat idea. At least there's only two versions and the seem to have > >different "A Sides," unlike the umpteen differently mixed "B Sides" > >and the obligatory DVD single that all the other entries in the chart > >seem to have! > > > >> :What's the web page for these charts? > >> : > >> > >> Hot prerelease albums: > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > >> preorder-chart/ref=ts_ch_2_2/026-0385513-5003646 > >> > >> Hot prerelease cd singles: > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon- > >> preorder-chart-singles/ref=ts_ch_2_11/026-0385513-5003646 > >> > > Wai > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 27 16:33:49 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:33:49 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: Treemendous. goes against the grain a bit though.... On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100, Neil Toyne wrote: >Wooden that be good............... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Rx" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > >> Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. >> From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 16:40:11 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:40:11 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: Distribution wood be easy too - there are branches everywhere, Twiggy could lend a hand or am I barking up the wrong tree? Could it all devolve into splinter groups and sap the success of the whole thing ............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > Treemendous. > > goes against the grain a bit though.... > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100, Neil Toyne > wrote: > > >Wooden that be good............... > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Rx" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > > > > >> Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. > >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jul 27 16:55:01 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:55:01 -0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: As it transpires, it'd see the band returning to their roots. :-} On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:40:11 +0100, Neil Toyne wrote: >Distribution wood be easy too - there are branches everywhere, Twiggy could >lend a hand or am I barking up the wrong tree? Could it all devolve into >splinter groups and sap the success of the whole thing ............ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Rx" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:33 PM >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > >> Treemendous. >> >> goes against the grain a bit though.... >> >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100, Neil Toyne >> wrote: >> >> >Wooden that be good............... >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Rik Rx" >> >To: >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM >> >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon >> > >> > >> >> Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 >> >> > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jul 27 17:07:56 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:07:56 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: You mean when they were budding artists, before they saw dust gathering over their wood-be challengers.................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > As it transpires, it'd see the band returning to their roots. :-} > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:40:11 +0100, Neil Toyne > wrote: > > >Distribution wood be easy too - there are branches everywhere, Twiggy could > >lend a hand or am I barking up the wrong tree? Could it all devolve into > >splinter groups and sap the success of the whole thing ............ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Rx" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:33 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > > > > >> Treemendous. > >> > >> goes against the grain a bit though.... > >> > >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100, Neil Toyne > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Wooden that be good............... > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Rik Rx" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM > >> >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > >> > > >> > > >> >> Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. > >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Jul 27 20:18:31 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:31 -0400 Subject: SOTA + TMTYL FLYERS@Hawkwind Museum Message-ID: hi all just added images of the flyers for both the single and album to the hawkwind museum, take a look at http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/single_and_album_flyers.htm please read the page for a fuller explanation (it's getting late!) but please feel free to copy them for your own use in promoting both items. all the best Dave From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jul 28 01:16:31 2005 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:16:31 -0600 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: <009701c592ef$4289bfd0$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: This is really great folx. Had a not so good day. I really needed the laugh! Will you be branching out? Thanks! Neil Toyne wrote: >You mean when they were budding artists, before they saw dust gathering over >their wood-be challengers.................. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Rx" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:55 PM >Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > > > > >>As it transpires, it'd see the band returning to their roots. :-} >> >>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:40:11 +0100, Neil Toyne >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>Distribution wood be easy too - there are branches everywhere, Twiggy >>> >>> >could > > >>>lend a hand or am I barking up the wrong tree? Could it all devolve into >>>splinter groups and sap the success of the whole thing ............ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Rik Rx" >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:33 PM >>>Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Treemendous. >>>> >>>>goes against the grain a bit though.... >>>> >>>>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0100, Neil Toyne >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Wooden that be good............... >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Rik Rx" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:22 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Wait till you hear the 13" mahogany disco dub remix cut. amazing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> > > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 28 07:32:38 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:32:38 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > Treemendous. > > goes against the grain a bit though.... Leave it out bud. FoFP From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jul 28 07:44:40 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:44:40 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon Message-ID: I knew we'd get birched for this ....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL & Spirit Single on Amazon > Rik Rx writes: > > > Treemendous. > > > > goes against the grain a bit though.... > > Leave it out bud. > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jul 28 08:40:36 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:40:36 -0700 Subject: OFF: White Noise... Message-ID: I said... > But the worst ever 'recommended for space/prog types' album has to > be that White Noise thing...that was unlistenable. To which several replied..."Anthrax?" Anthrax...why the hell would Anthrax be recommended for space/prog types? Anyway, no...I meant White Noise, the band. (Presumably, Anthrax recorded an album called "White Noise" then? I dunno...but my powers of deduction are incredible.) :) BTW, I just saw Anthrax at Sweden Rock about two months ago. OK band, but I don't know their music so much. White Noise was some unlistenable proto-electronic band that made an album called The Electronic Storm or something way back in the late 60s. I expected something on the order of Silver Apples, who were pretty cool (RIP Danny Taylor), but White Noise was worse than listening to actual White Noise. Absolute rubbish. Grakkl (FAA), who believes that the makers of the movie A.I. made the Jude Law character male, just so as not to get all the men in the audience too excited and expect something like that (i.e., a female version) to appear in the marketplace in less than 10 years. P.S. BTW, the German word for Anthrax is Milzbrand, which one might re-translate literally as "Spleen Burn," which I think would be a great name for a band, whether or not this band was actually an Anthrax tribute band. I would like to become a musician and form a band just for the purpose of choosing a great name for it (no other reason), like Spleen Burn. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jul 28 16:39:35 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:39:35 -0700 Subject: Golden Void 1969-1979 Message-ID: Just got "Golden Void 1969-1979" (not an appropriate title since it goes to 1987!). When I put in Disc One it wasn't playing "Hurry On Sundown." Learned that the labels are wrong on the two discs. Disc One has Disc Two's songs and vice versa. Anyone else have the same mixup? If not guess it's more collectable, huh? It is a cutout CD so that may be why. Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Jul 28 17:24:39 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:24:39 -0400 Subject: Golden Void 1969-1979 Message-ID: Hi Gary, My copy isn't reversed. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary shindler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:39 PM Subject: Golden Void 1969-1979 > Just got "Golden Void 1969-1979" (not an appropriate > title since it goes to 1987!). When I put in Disc One > it wasn't playing "Hurry On Sundown." Learned that the > labels are wrong on the two discs. Disc One has Disc > Two's songs and vice versa. Anyone else have the same > mixup? If not guess it's more collectable, huh? It is > a cutout CD so that may be why. > Gary > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Thu Jul 28 17:56:53 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:56:53 +0000 Subject: HW: From the PR web newswire: July 28th, 2005 Message-ID: Friends of Hawkwind to Converge at New York City Concert Event September 17th will unite transcontinental 'Hawkfriends'in New York City. Dave Adams of The UK's premier Hawkwind tribute act 'Assassins of Silence', is set to team up with American based spacerockers Mike Burro & Jay Adcock for an evening of 'mostly Hawkwind'. (PRWEB) July 28, 2005 -- Call them 'One Eyed Assassin', at least on September 17th. That's when Dave Adams of the UK's premier Hawkwind tribute act 'Assassins of Silence' will team up with Mike Burro, Jay Adcock and others from the American spacerock outfits The One Eyed Bishops & Sloterdijk. Together they'll offer a rare U.S.performance of 'mostly Hawkwind' at Manhattan's Baggot Inn, nestled inside the heart of the city's Greenwhich Village section. For those unfamiliar with the music of Hawkwind, the band has been credited with creating a genre of music known to those who enjoy it, as 'spacerock'. Hawkwind burst onto the UK festival circuit in 1969 and is still going strong under the leadership of guitarist Dave Brock. Over the years Brock has remained at Hawkwind's helm, overseeing many personnel changes that have included the likes of Motorhead's Lemmy Kilminster, Cream's Ginger Baker, science fiction author Michael Moorcock, Tim Blake of Gong, Simon House of David Bowie's 'Stage era' band, and many others. The band scored a surprise hit on the UK charts more than thirty years ago, with the song 'Silver Machine'. Hawkwind's fanbase is a loyal one, and their extensive personnel roster has continued to spin off related projects for more than three decades. Cut to the present, and we find the members of 'One Eyed Assassin' firmly implanted in the Hawkwind family. Dave Adams is the leader of the UK's premier Hawkwind tribute act, 'Assassins of Silence'. Although loosely tagged as a 'cover band', it should be noted that lead guitarist extrordinare Huw Lloyd Langton, a founding member of Hawkwind performs regularly with the band. Mike Burro & Jay Adcock of The One Eyed Bishops & Sloterdijk have their Hawkwind connections too. Burro formed the spacerock project SLOTERDIJK while living in The Netherlands in 1996. By 1999 he and Adcock were performing at Hawkwind related functions in the U.S. and Europe, including 'The Strange Daze Spacerock festival'.The band became the only American act to ever play 'The North German Hamburg Hawk Fan Meeting', and later that summer after returning to The U.S., supported Hawkwind's Harvey Bainbridge on a solo tour of the states. In 2002 Burro's interest in skiffle, blues and R&B, led him to form an offshoot of his band called The One Eyed Bishops. What was originally intended to be a short lived 'diversion', soon became the major thrust of his endeavors, and that summer the band performed by request in Devon, UK at a private festival, organized and headlined by Hawkwind themselves, called 'Hawkfest 2002'. A CD of this event was later released by Voiceprint Records, UK. 2003 saw a second 'Hawkfest', this time held in northwestern England, near Blackpool. Although invited to appear with Sloterdijk, Burro was unable to make it to the festival, however Dave Adams and his 'Assassins' did perform. In the summer of 2004 Burro did an OEB tour of The UK and performed at 'Celebrationfest' in Bicester, Oxfordshire. This event was organized by Dave Adams, and it was his band, along with Huw Lloyd Langton that concluded the day's events. In November of 2004, Burro supported Hawkwind founding member NIk Turner on his 'Future Cities of The Past' tour, and so the story goes. Hawkwind is a muli layered 'starship', with a large crew and a multitude of support personnel. The 'mostly Hawkwind' performance at The Baggot Inn, will intertwine elements of this extended family from both sides of the atlantic, and is a 'must see' show for fans of Hawkwind and their relations. Please visit the Baggot Inn website for set times, etc at: http://www.baggotinn.com The venue address and telephone numbers are as follows: 82 West 3rd Street ( between Sullivan & Thomson), Greenwhich Village, New York, New York (212) 477-0622 Also of interest to readers here is the soon to be released new studio album by Hawkwind themselves, titled 'Take me to your Leader'. Read about it at: http://www.hawkwind.com In future days you may also find additional information about the New York City show at the following websites: http://www.assassinsofsilence.com http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com/oebs # # # Related News Releases ( What's this? ) Web Marketing Association to Name Best Music Website of 2005 - The Web Marketing Association announces the call for entries for its 9th annual international WebAward Competition (http://www.2005webaward.org), the Internet?s premier award competition. The Web Marketing Association will again be honoring the Best Music Web site of 2005. The deadline for entry is June 1, 2005. [2005-04-11] Namast? International Adds Solarcade to Roster - Music management and promotion firm Namast? International adds LA-based band Solarcade to its client roster. 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[2005-04-01] From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jul 28 18:19:12 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:19:12 +0100 Subject: TMTYL & Amazon CDs Message-ID: Rock Fever CD's are unofficial - what's amazing me so far is that noone seems to be trying to jump on them - if I can find out where they come from (or know someone who does know where they come from, I should say), then why can't the band!!! Bizarre!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete J Howe To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: TMTYL & Amazon CDs > Yes, it is confusing that Amazon has listed 2 versions of TMTYL with no > info on whats what, or what other tracks are on the Cd singles.I also see > that Amazon are shortly releasing ASAM/QS&C on the infamous Rock Fever > label as a recognised Official release..i thought Rock Fevers releases > were unauthorised dodgy bootlegs and to be avoided at all costs!Any idea > whats going on regarding these topics?? > Pete From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jul 28 18:23:14 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:23:14 +0100 Subject: Pricing albums Message-ID: Flooded???????? and yet no action from the band to stop it? Hmmmmmm...........mind you - they do have bigger fish to fry right now, I guess - but I'd now love to know who exactly is behind this Rock Fever mob!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete J Howe To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Pricing albums > Hi, ive always gound that Ebay is a good indicator of Hawkwind prices.Ive > noticed a slight drop in those rare deleted cds etc,in the last year or > so,especially since the questionable Rock Fever releases flooded Ebay. > Pete From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jul 28 18:24:03 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:24:03 +0100 Subject: Does anyone anything about this? Message-ID: same as version that came out a while back - this one's just a UK pressing. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Brown To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: HW: Does anyone anything about this? > I just received an add for this from 101cd > > Triple CD album > o9.99 > > WELCOME TO THE FUTURE > HAWKWIND > 2 CD box set for the space-rock band featuring live recordings from 1975-1977. Includes DVD disc (All Regions) > with a 49 minute Dave Brock interview filmed 2002 (Dave Brock interviewed by 'Jet' Martin Clemins). > Crasher at tesco.net From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Thu Jul 28 18:32:17 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:32:17 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue Message-ID: including my advert in Sounds from 1971 on the inside back page - oh, the embarassment!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue > In case you haven't seen it, Q Magazine have published a special edition on > "prog rock" and it contains a six page feature on Hawkwind. It's basically > a biog with some nice pics and a few interviews (Doug Smith, Lemmy). > There's lovely pic of Stacia in full swing and a great black and white shot > from 1987 when they were promoting "Kerb Crawler". > > This is Q's "Flights of Fancy - 10 truly cosmic aural trips" > Hurry on Sundown > Master Of The Universe > Silver Machine > Orgone Accumulator > Sonic Attack > Motorhead > Back On The Streets > Hassan I Sabha > Spirit Of The Age > Motorway City > > The rest of the mag contains features on your standard prog-fare - Pink > Floyd, Genesis, YES, Marillion, Rush, Jethro Tull, ELP, etc. It costs ?5.99 > ($10) From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Jul 29 04:11:42 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:11:42 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: hi folks just to let you know that the forthcoming single can now be pre ordered from HMV as well as Amazon (where it's still 1 + 2 in the pre order charts!) http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/home.do the direct link being http://www1.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/simpleSearch.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&searchMode=2&pGroupID=-1&primaryID=2 this is another store that counts towards UK chart placing so it would help that if you haven't done so already that you pre order from here, should also point out that it appears to be ?0.50p more expensive but i don't know what the P+P situation is. an ideal situation for those still to order would be one version from Amazon and the other from HMV. i am in no way supporting any form of chart rigging so please read the last statement carefully. that said don't forget to let other family members, neighbours etc know about the single, they may want to order their own personal copies for their own personal listening pleasure! regards and thanks as ever for your time Dave From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Fri Jul 29 07:48:28 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:48:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: So, how long before they build this type of Net capability into it then... http://www.highjoyproducts.com/detail.aspx?ID=3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Angela-San Android > Looks like someone built one: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Jul 29 07:59:24 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:59:24 +0100 Subject: Angela-San Android Message-ID: When that lady said you didn't have the remotest chance, I don't think that she had this in mind......... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaosillumination" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > So, how long before they build this type of Net capability into it then... > http://www.highjoyproducts.com/detail.aspx?ID=3 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Angela-San Android > > > > Looks like someone built one: > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 29 09:04:21 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:04:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: I think I wish I hadn't checked this out while at work.... > ----Original Message---- > From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK > Date: Jul 29, 2005 11:48:28 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subj: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > > So, how long before they build this type of Net capability into it then... > http://www.highjoyproducts.com/detail.aspx?ID=3 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Angela-San Android > > > > Looks like someone built one: > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm From coral at APORT.RU Fri Jul 29 09:20:53 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:53 +0400 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: What happened? Everyone stopped working and went to order it? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > I think I wish I hadn't checked this out while at work.... > > > ----Original Message---- > > From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK > > Date: Jul 29, 2005 11:48:28 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subj: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > > > > So, how long before they build this type of Net capability into it then... > > http://www.highjoyproducts.com/detail.aspx?ID=3 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM > > Subject: Angela-San Android > > > > > > > Looks like someone built one: > > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 29 09:42:14 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:42:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android In-Reply-To: nick.lee2@virgin.net's message of Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:04:21 +0000 Message-ID: nick.lee2 at virgin.net writes: > I think I wish I hadn't checked this out while at work.... "Errrrr, just looking into the latest applications of the USB protocols in a network-enabled user-friendly plug'n'play device for interactive exploration of the communicative possibilities involved in stimulation of personnel for morale-boosting and team-bonding purposes..." FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 29 10:01:47 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:01:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: > > > I think I wish I hadn't checked this out while at work.... > > "Errrrr, just looking into the latest applications of the USB protocols > in a network-enabled user-friendly plug'n'play device for interactive > exploration of the communicative possibilities involved in stimulation > of personnel for morale-boosting and team-bonding purposes..." > This is not quite what 'plug and play' normally means though, is it? From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Jul 29 11:33:11 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:33:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: No, but it does have possibilities for increasing the take up of new technologies Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick.lee2 at virgin.net" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > > > > > I think I wish I hadn't checked this out while at work.... > > > > "Errrrr, just looking into the latest applications of the USB protocols > > in a network-enabled user-friendly plug'n'play device for interactive > > exploration of the communicative possibilities involved in stimulation > > of personnel for morale-boosting and team-bonding purposes..." > > > > This is not quite what 'plug and play' normally means though, is it? > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 29 11:38:54 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:38:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android In-Reply-To: Neil Toyne's message of Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:33:11 +0100 Message-ID: Neil Toyne writes: > No, but it does have possibilities for increasing the take up of new > technologies So will it be compatible with a USB joystick? FoFP From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Jul 29 17:57:03 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:57:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Angela-San Android Message-ID: I thought that WAS the joystick ........ Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re: Angela-San Android > Neil Toyne writes: > > > No, but it does have possibilities for increasing the take up of new > > technologies > > So will it be compatible with a USB joystick? > > FoFP > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 29 18:08:10 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:08:10 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL Message-ID: This was found on the Voiceprint website. Keyboards throughout the album are handled by Jason Stuart who has recently been confirmed as a full time member of Hawkwind and the latest to join the crew of one of the longest running and most successful of British Rock bands. Was this one of the reasons that contributed to the delayed release? http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Coming/HAWKVP35CD Mark From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Jul 29 20:17:44 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:17:44 -0500 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: <20050729220811.2EDDAE00022C@galaxy.systems.pipex.net> Message-ID: Excellent!! Jason is a good Guy :-) His keyboard playing worked very well with the band on the dates we saw :-)Hopefully he'll be around for many dates to come. Nice that Voiceprint have the album info up as well, although I couldn't click the links for the singles yet on the site. Rich W -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mark von bargen Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:08 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: HW: TMTYL This was found on the Voiceprint website. Keyboards throughout the album are handled by Jason Stuart who has recently been confirmed as a full time member of Hawkwind and the latest to join the crew of one of the longest running and most successful of British Rock bands. Was this one of the reasons that contributed to the delayed release? http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Coming/HAWKVP35CD Mark From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Jul 29 20:33:45 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: I haven't heard him. As long as we can get Dave to play more guitar, I'm for it. Dying to hear in all regards. Where is Jason from? Haven't heard much about other than seen pics. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: TMTYL > Excellent!! Jason is a good Guy :-) His keyboard playing worked very well > with the band on the dates we saw :-)Hopefully he'll be around for many > dates to come. > > Nice that Voiceprint have the album info up as well, although I couldn't > click the links for the singles yet on the site. > > Rich W > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mark von bargen > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:08 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: TMTYL > > > This was found on the Voiceprint website. > > > > Keyboards throughout the album are handled by Jason Stuart who has > recently > been confirmed as a full time member of Hawkwind and the latest to join > the > crew of one of the longest running and most successful of British Rock > bands. > > > > Was this one of the reasons that contributed to the delayed release? > > > > http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Coming/HAWKVP35CD > > > > Mark From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Jul 30 01:08:47 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:08:47 +0100 Subject: TMTYL Message-ID: I seem to recall something about him playing with Spacehead............... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: Re: TMTYL > I haven't heard him. As long as we can get Dave to play more guitar, I'm for > it. Dying to hear in all regards. Where is Jason from? Haven't heard much > about other than seen pics. Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: TMTYL > > > > Excellent!! Jason is a good Guy :-) His keyboard playing worked very well > > with the band on the dates we saw :-)Hopefully he'll be around for many > > dates to come. > > > > Nice that Voiceprint have the album info up as well, although I couldn't > > click the links for the singles yet on the site. > > > > Rich W > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mark von bargen > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:08 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: TMTYL > > > > > > This was found on the Voiceprint website. > > > > > > > > Keyboards throughout the album are handled by Jason Stuart who has > > recently > > been confirmed as a full time member of Hawkwind and the latest to join > > the > > crew of one of the longest running and most successful of British Rock > > bands. > > > > > > > > Was this one of the reasons that contributed to the delayed release? > > > > > > > > http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Coming/HAWKVP35CD > > > > > > > > Mark > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jul 30 08:14:25 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:14:25 +0100 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: <000601c5949e$587196f0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On 30 Jul 2005, at 01:33, Stephe wrote: > As long as we can get Dave to play more guitar, I'm for it. Forever and ever -- amen! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Sat Jul 30 08:26:11 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:26:11 -0500 Subject: TMTYL In-Reply-To: <000401c594c4$c4246eb0$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: Nah not Spacehead...Captain Rizz keyboard player I believe :-) Rich. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Neil Toyne Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: TMTYL I seem to recall something about him playing with Spacehead............... Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: Re: TMTYL > I haven't heard him. As long as we can get Dave to play more guitar, I'm for > it. Dying to hear in all regards. Where is Jason from? Haven't heard much > about other than seen pics. Cheers Stephe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: TMTYL > > > > Excellent!! Jason is a good Guy :-) His keyboard playing worked very well > > with the band on the dates we saw :-)Hopefully he'll be around for many > > dates to come. > > > > Nice that Voiceprint have the album info up as well, although I couldn't > > click the links for the singles yet on the site. > > > > Rich W > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of mark von bargen > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:08 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: TMTYL > > > > > > This was found on the Voiceprint website. > > > > > > > > Keyboards throughout the album are handled by Jason Stuart who has > > recently > > been confirmed as a full time member of Hawkwind and the latest to join > > the > > crew of one of the longest running and most successful of British Rock > > bands. > > > > > > > > Was this one of the reasons that contributed to the delayed release? > > > > > > > > http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Coming/HAWKVP35CD > > > > > > > > Mark > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Jul 30 14:45:16 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:45:16 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue Message-ID: so you are! Fame indeed - truly the Ultimate Collector! Browsing through the other ads I wonder if any of the small freaky gentle shy sincere long haired grammar school lads into Prog Rock and Hawkwind ever found their like-minded hippy chicks and had a long and happy penpal correspondence? Just curious. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue including my advert in Sounds from 1971 on the inside back page - oh, the embarassment!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: Hawkwind in Q Magazine special prog rock issue > In case you haven't seen it, Q Magazine have published a special > edition on > "prog rock" and it contains a six page feature on Hawkwind. It's basically > a biog with some nice pics and a few interviews (Doug Smith, > Lemmy). > There's lovely pic of Stacia in full swing and a great black and > white shot > from 1987 when they were promoting "Kerb Crawler". > > This is Q's "Flights of Fancy - 10 truly cosmic aural trips" > Hurry on Sundown > Master Of The Universe > Silver Machine > Orgone Accumulator > Sonic Attack > Motorhead > Back On The Streets > Hassan I Sabha > Spirit Of The Age > Motorway City > > The rest of the mag contains features on your standard > prog-fare - Pink > Floyd, Genesis, YES, Marillion, Rush, Jethro Tull, ELP, etc. It > costs ?5.99 > ($10) From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Jul 30 20:56:48 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:56:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: (Keep hearing) the Reaper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At least Buck Dharma's bank account must be decent, since they keep playing editted bits of the Reaper as backdrop on commercials for the series-yet-to-air "Bones." Fox seems to play that promo A LOT. Did anyone on the list happen to catch the DKT/MC5 show in central park or the performance of "kick out the jams" (the LP songs) in their entirety by the band? J From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jul 30 22:10:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:10:54 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050721102905.66235.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I realise I've kind of put my two-penn'orth in about Space Ritual (the band) several times already, but given as I have enjoyed their gigs I thought I'd try it again. I don't expect the same thing of SR that I do of HW. Nik's gigs have always been to me a case where you'd turn up expecting a show out of the live of doing it, hopelessly amateur and disorganised but spontaneous. The best one of these I've seen was the not-so-recent Space Unit gig where half the band was All Stars and guests. The worst one I've seen was unquestionably the last-minute-all-change Inner City Pompadours one, but the most recent Space Ritual gig was also pretty dire. I did like the one I saw before that, though, not that I thought the band was *good* or anything but I enjoyed it. HW by comparison I expect to be *good*, and they almost always are, though often seem slightly uncertain as to what to *do* with their ability. SR have the beneft of a very clear idea of what they're doing which they however lack the ability to perfect. I'd say that the difference is that Nik is an amateur whereas HW are professionals. That said, I don't think (no matter what it may sometimes seem like in my postings) that HW are "only in it for the money". They often seem genuinely concerned to deliver the best they can, and besides, if they were after our money they could make a so much better job of it than they currently are :-) But when I go and see Nik, I know it'll be done on the fly, on a shoestring, and may well fall to bits. I just go because it's fun. HW I tend to expect my money's worth because it's part of what they offer. However, part of the, um, charm of a Nik show was that you never knew what you would get. Now he has a steady band, and they're, well, bad. Nik is actually playing OK these days, and while I agree with Keith H. that Mick Slattery is stylistically well behind the fashion curve he's not a *bad* guitarist, even if nothing to copy. Dave Anderson can and has recently played far better bass than SR demands of him, and seems to have both energy and fun left in him. The problems are in what remains. John the Ghost, the synth player, is all right but no more. I'd rather have Jim Hawkman on a good night any day. You don't always get Jim on a good night of course, but it's worth hoping. Terry Ollis. Terry Ollis is a big problem. Not because he's bad; he's rock-solid. *Too* solid; he plays everything at the same speed (except `D-Rider', at half that). This makes everything plod along where some things should fly and jump. They can't break free of the set rhythm. This is crippling. Thomas Crimble is just crap, unadventurous and dull, and should be retured from the band as soon as. Sorry, but it's true. But he does a massive amount of the actual tune-holding. So it's always going to be slow and dull while he and Terry are both refusing to shift. Now, the first time I saw them since they settled on this name, they had Sam Ollis as well, on a second drum-kit dancing patterns round his dad's, or else adding strange noises from his DJ decks. I thought that added enough dub weirdness and artistry that the attempt to do HW tunes as ska and reggae, which is basically what this is about, was at least worth hearing and certainly there was lots to dance to. Second and more recent time I saw them however, they did not have Sam at all and it sucked, becaue none of that new stuff was there, just tired musicians playing a bad gig. Was it Mike that said he was playing keyboards where he saw the band? That worries me. On the other hand it has to be better than Thomas Crimble doing it... So no, this is not a good band, but they're capable of being fun. Nik's iea of what Hawkwind is about has always seemed to have more giod vibes and less attack than all the other members. I fear this is the ultimate realisation of this difference, a party band with no actual musical genda, but that first time with Sam Ollis on drums and decks you could have fooled me that they'd acquired one. Since then, um, no. I hope this is only temporary. I'd say, be forewarned that there will be no dazzling artistry, but there will be sunny lights, silly sax and danceable if dull festi dub sounds. It's possible to enjoy this band, But only if you didn't expect HW.[1] One last thing I will say though is that I think the criticism levelled tha the dancer is unfair, bordering on prudish. The costumes are I grant you not wildly original, though JKeith and Maxine both fail to mention those that are less than cliched (unless she's no longer doing the flapper girl with the I-dog), but I think this is again expecting too much. HW present an organised visual thing which is a part of the whole performance: Angie's doing it by herself. No band vision informs her, and they have no money, so she's just wearing fun stuff. I'm sure it's not supposed to be erotic; if she wanted to achieve that effect, she could do it because unlike many of HW's dancers of the past, not meaning Kris obviously whose gig is rather more spectacle than actual dance anyway, she can actually dance, rather than just shaking vaguely. I also think as much of what she does as possible is tied to the music, but that not much is possible for her given their budget. But by and large the dancing, hers or others, is one of the things I've tended to enjoy about SR performances. It's people who can dance having fun, what's the problem? I don't see the fuss about the costumes; surely it's just a laugh. If it makes me a pervert not being bothered by them, well, hey. Probably nothing new there. Anyway. In summary: the band sucks, but there are worse parties to be at than one of Nik's band's ones even if they are playing. Yours, Jon [1] Actually, the Cambridge gig they did had a lot of people who hadn't seen HW for years convinced that that was what they were seeing and ecstatic about it, but, well. This was Strawberry Fayre and they may not have been at their most alert. -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 31 17:13:43 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:13:43 -0400 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: This guy never gives up. http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-MELKWEG-2003_W0QQitemZ4753364592QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-LONDON-ASTORIA-XMAS-04_W0QQitemZ4753365054QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 31 17:22:21 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:22:21 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000701c59614$bb41a140$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I really really really can't abide bootleggers who sell live recordings. I know there's some kind of dual morality when it comes to people who trade live shows but at least traders (normally) trade for the love of the music! Strictly for trade - not for sale! If any money is to be made from live recordings, it should be by the artists/composers themselves not the scum who fleece honest fans! Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Sent: 31 July 2005 22:14 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay This guy never gives up. http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-MELKWEG-2003_W0QQitemZ4753364592QQcatego ryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-LONDON-ASTORIA-XMAS-04_W0QQitemZ47533650 54QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 31 17:24:40 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:24:40 -0400 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: Grassed to Ebay... Wonders if they will do anything From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Jul 31 17:44:54 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:44:54 -0400 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: I agree, This guy is out for profit. $25 starting bid or $35 buy it now. Its sickening. These guys should be prosecuted. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay >I really really really can't abide bootleggers who sell live recordings. I > know there's some kind of dual morality when it comes to people who trade > live shows but at least traders (normally) trade for the love of the > music! > Strictly for trade - not for sale! If any money is to be made from live > recordings, it should be by the artists/composers themselves not the scum > who fleece honest fans! > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Stephe > Sent: 31 July 2005 22:14 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay > > This guy never gives up. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-MELKWEG-2003_W0QQitemZ4753364592QQcatego > ryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-LONDON-ASTORIA-XMAS-04_W0QQitemZ47533650 > 54QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Jul 31 17:38:53 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:38:53 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They've got bigger fish to fry! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Paul Brookes Sent: 31 July 2005 22:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Grassed to Ebay... Wonders if they will do anything From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Jul 31 18:26:42 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:26:42 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: I grassed as well, so maybe something will happen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay > They've got bigger fish to fry! > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Paul Brookes > Sent: 31 July 2005 22:25 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay > > Grassed to Ebay... Wonders if they will do anything > > __________ NOD32 1.1183 (20050729) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Jul 31 18:58:20 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:58:20 -0400 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: Of course, there wouldn't be a market for these if the band sold &/or allowed downloads of live concert mp3s on their website; it seems to be showing up more often (even metallica!), and seems like a way for people to get hold of concerts they couldn't go to. tim 8>)... Tony wrote: > > I really really really can't abide bootleggers who sell live recordings. I > know there's some kind of dual morality when it comes to people who trade > live shows but at least traders (normally) trade for the love of the music! > Strictly for trade - not for sale! If any money is to be made from live > recordings, it should be by the artists/composers themselves not the scum > who fleece honest fans! > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Stephe > Sent: 31 July 2005 22:14 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay > > This guy never gives up. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-MELKWEG-2003_W0QQitemZ4753364592QQcatego > ryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-LONDON-ASTORIA-XMAS-04_W0QQitemZ47533650 > 54QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jul 31 20:44:30 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:44:30 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <1121975153.7274.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > (Personally, I think there probably *is* a niche market in "recreating" > the early Hawkwind sound, but I suspect Space Ritual lack the > musicianship[*] and, more importantly, the energy to do it really well.) > [*] Because people usually want to recreate the myth rather than the > reality, with rough edges sanded down. I don't think that's quite what Space Ritual are doing, alas. They're trying to recreate Nik's famous peace and flowers version of the early Hawkwind `vibe', the famous `spirit of Hawkwind' which no-one else remembers, but are actually playing somewhere between bad slow blanga and fairly pedestrian reggae... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646)