From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 1 08:22:35 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:22:35 -0500 Subject: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... In-Reply-To: <200502011001.j11A03Dj003371@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > On 31-Jan-2005 14:14, Jeff Berry wrote: > >>The only downside >>to so much new stuff is that it means less old stuff - the BS have >>an impressively deep catalog of solid material from which to draw. >>Only one older BS song was in the set, Gun. So what this really >>means is that they need to do longer sets. > > > Yes, we certainly need enough room to bring back "Time (Is Gonna Take > Care of You)"! :) > While I heartily agree with Carl's request, I think this comment qualifies him to be a member of the "Brain Surgeons Old Farts Club". ;-) John (also a member) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Feb 1 09:49:28 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:49:28 -0500 Subject: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... In-Reply-To: <41FF829B.5050801@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: >> >> Yes, we certainly need enough room to bring back "Time (Is Gonna Take >> Care of You)"! :) >> > > While I heartily agree with Carl's request, I think this comment > qualifies him to be a member of the "Brain Surgeons Old Farts Club". > ;-) > > John (also a member) Been there. Done that. Got the Eponymous T-shirt! :-) I'd also request Hansel & Gretal, My Civilization and Sally. Brian Rongovian Embassy, '94 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 1 10:13:42 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:13:42 +0000 Subject: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... In-Reply-To: <41FF829B.5050801@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 01-Feb-2005 13:22, John Swartz wrote: >> Yes, we certainly need enough room to bring back "Time (Is Gonna Take >> Care of You)"! :) > > While I heartily agree with Carl's request, I think this comment > qualifies him to be a member of the "Brain Surgeons Old Farts Club". ;-) Hmm, I guess it has been 10 years since _Eponymous_ :) Ah, after all these years I at last reach the hallowed status of old fartdom. I look forward grumbling about how we used to rock uphill both ways when I were a lad .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 1 10:28:26 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:28:26 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <002201c50700$f1c8f2c0$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On 30-Jan-2005 19:21, Chas wrote: > Has anyone found a drinking establishment to meet up at yet? - either before > or after. > According to the 100 club web site Brain Surgeons are due on stage at > 10:15 - depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set - then if anyone knows of > somewhere to move on to....... - although I believe the 100 club will be > open to 1:00pm - by which time I will have missed my last train so I don't > mind what we do!! Well, my last train heads out at midnight-ish, so even if tBS played only about an hour, I'd have to rush off with extremely hasty farewells to all! I've found myself a bus back to Cambridge from Victoria coach station at 2.50am or so. Brutal, but hey. As for drinking establishments, I've not heard anything from anyone I know, and I don't know London well enough to suggest anything better than strolling down towards Soho (which isn't far, as best I recall) and ought to have somewhere open vending beverages of one description or another. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Feb 1 10:29:27 2005 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... In-Reply-To: <41FF9CA6.9070301@carlaz.com> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Feb 01, 2005 03:13:42 PM Message-ID: >>> Yes, we certainly need enough room to bring back "Time (Is Gonna Take >>> Care of You)"! :) >> While I heartily agree with Carl's request, I think this comment >> qualifies him to be a member of the "Brain Surgeons Old Farts Club". ;-) >Hmm, I guess it has been 10 years since _Eponymous_ :) Ah, after all >these years I at last reach the hallowed status of old fartdom. I look >forward grumbling about how we used to rock uphill both ways when I were >a lad .... :) >Cheers, >Carl When I was a lad we had to watch gigs at the Pyramid Club with no power for the amps and only a single small transvestite to run lights and sound - which was easier since there was no power. JB From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Feb 2 03:02:07 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:02:07 -0000 Subject: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... Message-ID: After hearing the Ross' guitar work on the version of Lady of the Harbour on Black Hearts of Soul that certainly gets my vote - also what about throwing in an old Dictators song - Weekend seems pretty apt to me. .......Charlie. (CtGB). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: BRAIN\BOC: more cowbell transcribed... > John Swartz wrote: > > >> > >> Yes, we certainly need enough room to bring back "Time (Is Gonna Take > >> Care of You)"! :) > >> > > > > While I heartily agree with Carl's request, I think this comment > > qualifies him to be a member of the "Brain Surgeons Old Farts Club". > > ;-) > > > > John (also a member) > > Been there. Done that. Got the Eponymous T-shirt! :-) > > I'd also request Hansel & Gretal, My Civilization and Sally. > > Brian > Rongovian Embassy, '94 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Feb 2 10:36:20 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:36:20 +0000 Subject: Off: Theramin In-Reply-To: <41FA1835.8917.5EAC92@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Maxine Wesley wrote: > I thought theramin was a drug .... until i chanced across a band at the > local pub - a wailing, japanese, female synth player accompanied by a > chap on the theramin - unfortuntely the combination had many of us > (and we are hard core music fans) diving for the 'quieter' end of the > pub. However I can definitely see the potential for space rock - just > need someone to master the thing, something I have yet to witness. Alison Goldfrapp? http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/entertainment/music/livereviews/s/87/87408_goldfrapp__men_arena.html An inevitable comparison given the original link I fear. Am I posting about this too much? Perhaps... Yours, Jon ObMP3: ICU - `Metal' -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 2 10:47:18 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:47:18 +0000 Subject: Off: Theramin In-Reply-To: <41FA1835.8917.5EAC92@localhost> Message-ID: On 28-Jan-2005 10:47, Maxine Wesley wrote: > However I can definitely see the potential for space rock - just > need someone to master the thing, something I have yet to witness. I always think of the sequence in the midst of the Led Zep _Song Remains the Same_ concert film with Jimmy Page waving his hands dramatically and doing far-out theremin things in the midst of (I think) "Whole Lotta Love". I doubt that counts as mastery :) but it was pretty cool :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Feb 2 10:58:35 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:58:35 -0500 Subject: Off: Theramin Message-ID: Hasn't Dave Wyndorf (Monster Magnet) used a theramin? I believe he had one on stage at the Troubadour during the Power Trip tour. Dan D. On 28-Jan-2005 10:47, Maxine Wesley wrote: > However I can definitely see the potential for space rock - just > need someone to master the thing, something I have yet to witness. I always think of the sequence in the midst of the Led Zep _Song Remains the Same_ concert film with Jimmy Page waving his hands dramatically and doing far-out theremin things in the midst of (I think) "Whole Lotta Love". I doubt that counts as mastery :) but it was pretty cool :) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Feb 2 11:16:44 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:16:44 +0000 Subject: Recommendations please In-Reply-To: <000601c50273$856dd730$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Tony wrote: > OK folks, I need some recommendations. As I originally joined this list for > the BOC part of it, I feel somewhat of a pretender, not having bought a > Hawkwind CD since "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" back in 945 BC!!. However I > feel the need to remedy this situation immediately. If you had to choose > only five Hawkwind albums for a relative novice (I've got "Masters Of The > Universe" and "Space Ritual", which would they be? It's my birthday soon > and I know I'll be scratching my head wondering what to buy with the Amazon > vouchers I'm bound to get. I know I'm late with this, but: In Search of Space (vital) Doremi Fasol Latido (pretty damn near essential even with _Space Ritual_) Love in Space (if you can only find a copy) California Brainstorm (if you can only find a copy) Um, um, um, all gets a bit collectors-only for me after that not that I don't love most of it, I suspect I'd say Hawklords' _25 Years On_ (if you can... ) You may be seeing the problem facing the casual Hawkwind buyer already! The _Epoch Eclipse_ set is very good value, however, especially if as I have you see it for a fiver in FOPP, and you should definitely pick that up as a taster. Yours, Jon Jarrett -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From DiMuzioNWL at AOL.COM Wed Feb 2 14:18:54 2005 From: DiMuzioNWL at AOL.COM (Mike Di Muzio) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:18:54 EST Subject: Hawkwind-some questions Message-ID: Hello all! I've been meaning to apply for a passport membership but due to recent health problems (open heart surgery) my plans have been delayed. I'd first like to ask why 2 pictures are requested. The only camera I own is an old Polaroid (I'm not much for pictures obviously). And my second question is concerning the Christmas CD. Is it still available? Is there any way to pick one up without a passport? Thanks for listening to my ramblings. Mike Di Muzio From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 2 14:54:51 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:54:51 GMT Subject: Hawkwind-some questions In-Reply-To: Mike Di Muzio's message of Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:18:54 EST Message-ID: Mike Di Muzio writes: > Hello all! I've been meaning to apply for a passport membership but > due to recent health problems (open heart surgery) my plans have been > delayed. I'd first like to ask why 2 pictures are requested. The > only camera I own is an old Polaroid (I'm not much for pictures > obviously). My guess is that one piccie goes on the passport and the other is held in Hawkwind files. The reason to hold a picture is that it means Hawkfests can be held as effectively private parties with reassurance given to the police that pictures are available of all members and that those members have signed for their guests. It cuts down on cops and therefore on costs. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Feb 2 15:51:13 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:51:13 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind-some questions In-Reply-To: <200502021954.j12Jspof007449@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:54:51PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > The reason to hold a picture is that it means > Hawkfests can be held as effectively private parties with reassurance > given to the police that pictures are available of all members and that > those members have signed for their guests. It cuts down on cops and > therefore on costs. And allows for booze to be sold past 23:00, perhaps? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Feb 2 21:13:23 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:13:23 -0500 Subject: BOC:cowbell Message-ID: Great picture in this week Rolling Stone. Jack Black & Will Ferrell playing at the 1/17 tsunami benefit concert in L.A. And yup, Will's playing the cowbell!! tim 8>)... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 3 06:07:27 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:07:27 GMT Subject: Hawkwind-some questions In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:54:51PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > The reason to hold a picture is that it means > > Hawkfests can be held as effectively private parties with reassurance > > given to the police that pictures are available of all members and that > > those members have signed for their guests. It cuts down on cops and > > therefore on costs. > And allows for booze to be sold past 23:00, perhaps? May not be an issue next week. England goes to 24/7 licensing on February 7th. What this will amount to in practive remains to be seen, but let's hope Scotland does the same... FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 3 06:13:57 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:13:57 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <200502031107.j13B7Rsi004099@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 03-Feb-2005 11:07, M Holmes wrote: > England goes to 24/7 licensing on > February 7th. What this will amount to in practive remains to be seen, > but let's hope Scotland does the same... Huh, maybe then finding a late night watering hole in London post-gig on the 11th won't be a problem? Or will things not have swung into service that quickly? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Feb 3 06:56:00 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:56:00 -0500 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <42020775.2070505@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:13 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03-Feb-2005 11:07, M Holmes wrote: >> England goes to 24/7 licensing on >> February 7th. What this will amount to in practive remains to be seen, >> but let's hope Scotland does the same... > > Huh, maybe then finding a late night watering hole in London post-gig > on > the 11th won't be a problem? Or will things not have swung into > service > that quickly? One gets a little spoiled living in New York City. It's easier to do things on the spur of the moment. Al From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Feb 3 09:14:39 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:14:39 EST Subject: Off: Theramin Message-ID: Nicoletta Stephanz has played Theramin with both Edward Kaspel (pink dots) and Davied Allen(Gong). She's got it down cold! Bill From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Thu Feb 3 09:32:26 2005 From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:32:26 +0000 Subject: Off: Theramin Message-ID: Did me eyes deceive me (I could just be stupid), but did list faves Litmus use some sort of optical theremin on their recent tour supporting Julian Cope ? I caught Litmus @ Wolverhampton, and the chap on the left of the stage appeared to have some funky optically triggered thingamajig, that I took to be a theremin. Great show btw Cheers N. -- Any views or opinions presented in this Email message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Microlise Group unless otherwise specifically stated. Email communications are not necessarily secure and therefore the Microlise Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify Microlise immediately. Microlise Group Limited +44(0)1773 537000 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 3 10:52:30 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:52:30 GMT Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On 03-Feb-2005 11:07, M Holmes wrote: > > England goes to 24/7 licensing on > > February 7th. What this will amount to in practive remains to be seen, > > but let's hope Scotland does the same... > > Huh, maybe then finding a late night watering hole in London post-gig on > the 11th won't be a problem? Or will things not have swung into service > that quickly? Hard to say. If there's anywhere they'll be up and ready with the Licence applications for the new laws, it's Soho. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Feb 3 11:11:07 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:11:07 -0500 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <002201c50700$f1c8f2c0$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: > depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 3 11:22:20 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:22:20 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <20050203161107.GB943@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set > > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Feb 3 11:31:17 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:31:17 -0500 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <42024FBC.1080703@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: > >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set > > > > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) > > Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) You mean this? http://tinyurl.com/5amfy -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 3 11:59:21 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:59:21 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <20050203113117.iqx4k8ws4o444c8s@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 03-Feb-2005 16:31, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : >> On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: >> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: >> >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for >> >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set >> > >> > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) >> >> Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) > > You mean this? > http://tinyurl.com/5amfy Whoa! :) Kind of a long walk from the gig, though :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Feb 3 12:05:47 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:05:47 -0500 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <42025869.2080907@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > On 03-Feb-2005 16:31, David Kuznick wrote: > > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > >> On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: > >> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: > >> >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > >> >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set > >> > > >> > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) > >> > >> Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) > > > > You mean this? > > http://tinyurl.com/5amfy > > Whoa! :) > > Kind of a long walk from the gig, though :) Shorter than this though: http://tinyurl.com/4539x -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Feb 3 13:23:25 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:23:25 -0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <20050203113117.iqx4k8ws4o444c8s@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: Stourbridge is a bit far to go after the gig for a drink. :-) By coincidence Joe Bouchard (and Bouchard Dunaway Smith) played Stourbridge in 2002 (I think). Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of David Kuznick Sent: 03 February 2005 16:31 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Brain: London Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: > >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set > > > > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) > > Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) You mean this? http://tinyurl.com/5amfy -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From chip at PCC.COM Thu Feb 3 13:16:49 2005 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:16:49 -0500 Subject: more cowbell In-Reply-To: <3142ec354cb2813b2bb7f15377cbd79b@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > Yes, you heard right. That was just before the cowbell segment of my > solo. More on the cowbell (sorry if this is a repeat): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4475716 "'Saturday Night Live' once aired a rock industry spoof where a producer, played by Christopher Walken, wanted to deliver 'more cowbell' to a song being recorded. Storyteller Mitch Myers thinks that there is something to the cowbell in rock music that does go beyond the music..." -- Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404 800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter Your Practice Just Got Healthier From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Feb 3 15:37:03 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:37:03 -0500 Subject: Off: Theramin Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:32:26 +0000, Neil Shilladay wrote: >Did me eyes deceive me (I could just be stupid), but did list faves Litmus >use some sort of optical theremin on their recent tour supporting Julian >Cope ? >I caught Litmus @ Wolverhampton, and the chap on the left of the stage >appeared to have some funky optically triggered thingamajig, that I took >to be a theremin. Of course, an actual theremin is electro-magnetic, not optical (sorry to split hairs), but I think that Litmus are using one of the Alesis "Air" units (AirSynth or AirFX), which are optical (IR, IIRC). I'm at work, so I can't check the insert, but I'm pretty sure that one of those is visible in the photos with the 'You Are Here' CD. Incidentally, my piano teacher during my early teen years was an accomplished thereminist who had performed it at Carnegie Hall way back (she was a contemporary of the great Clara Rockmore). She had one of the old RCA console-style tube theremins that I got to play a couple times. Leon Theremin's daughter is also a great player; I got to see her play the violin (or was it flute?) solo part of a concerto, with electronic instruments from the Stanford e.music department playing the orchestra part, about 15 years ago. It was the first time that (the now late) mr. Theremin visited the US since being kidnapped from NYC by the KGB in the 20s! Pamela Kurstin is a great contemporary Thereminist, if you want to check out someone current ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Feb 3 16:15:14 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:15:14 -0000 Subject: Off: Theramin Message-ID: Anton uses an AirSynth and an AirFX; quite effective pieces of kit and very good for posing:). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Off: Theramin > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:32:26 +0000, Neil Shilladay > wrote: > >Did me eyes deceive me (I could just be stupid), but did list faves Litmus > >use some sort of optical theremin on their recent tour supporting Julian > >Cope ? > >I caught Litmus @ Wolverhampton, and the chap on the left of the stage > >appeared to have some funky optically triggered thingamajig, that I took > >to be a theremin. > > Of course, an actual theremin is electro-magnetic, not optical (sorry to > split hairs), but I think that Litmus are using one of the Alesis "Air" > units (AirSynth or AirFX), which are optical (IR, IIRC). I'm at work, so > I can't check the insert, but I'm pretty sure that one of those is visible > in the photos with the 'You Are Here' CD. > > Incidentally, my piano teacher during my early teen years was an > accomplished thereminist who had performed it at Carnegie Hall way back > (she was a contemporary of the great Clara Rockmore). She had one of the > old RCA console-style tube theremins that I got to play a couple times. > Leon Theremin's daughter is also a great player; I got to see her play the > violin (or was it flute?) solo part of a concerto, with electronic > instruments from the Stanford e.music department playing the orchestra > part, about 15 years ago. It was the first time that (the now late) mr. > Theremin visited the US since being kidnapped from NYC by the KGB in the > 20s! Pamela Kurstin is a great contemporary Thereminist, if you want to > check out someone current ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 4 10:21:33 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:21:33 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <20050203120547.zdncv408044cwc8k@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 03-Feb-2005 17:05, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : >> On 03-Feb-2005 16:31, David Kuznick wrote: >> > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : >> >> On 03-Feb-2005 16:11, Eric Siegerman wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:21:45PM -0000, Chas wrote: >> >> >> depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for >> >> >> ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set >> >> > >> >> > At the Pub at the End of Time, perhaps? :-) >> >> >> >> Or, indeed, the Four Winds Bar .... ;) >> > >> > You mean this? >> > http://tinyurl.com/5amfy >> >> Whoa! :) >> Kind of a long walk from the gig, though :) > > Shorter than this though: > http://tinyurl.com/4539x Even Conry's Bar must be closer, surely? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 4 10:50:59 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:50:59 GMT Subject: OFF: Ship of Fools Message-ID: Getting really into "Out There Somewhere". What else have these folks done? Has anyone a complete discography? FoFP From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Feb 4 11:48:58 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:48:58 -0000 Subject: OFF:Theremin Message-ID: Bill Bailey! (Who also does a mean Kraftwerk spoof - "Ja! Das Hokey-Cokey!) ChrisW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:14:39 EST From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM Subject: Re: Off: Theramin Nicoletta Stephanz has played Theramin with both Edward Kaspel (pink dots) and Davied Allen(Gong). She's got it down cold! Bill ------------------------------ NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Feb 4 11:55:50 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ship of Fools In-Reply-To: <200502041550.j14Foxho011488@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >Getting really into "Out There Somewhere". What else have these folks >done? Has anyone a complete discography? > >FoFP > > > There's also 'Close Your Eyes Forget The World'. I have the two as a double CD. I think 'Out There Somewhere' is slightly the better of the two. Christopher Williams' 'Adrift In The Ether' also lists a cassette ('Visions') and a 10" single/EP which draws on tracks from 'Out There Somewhere'. I have a feeling there might also be a compilation. I had the opportunity to see them live, about 10 years ago, when I was living in Sheffield, but out of loyalty I went to see a friend's band instead. Big mistake! Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Feb 4 13:25:19 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:25:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ship of Fools In-Reply-To: <4203A916.60209@virgin.net> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > >> Getting really into "Out There Somewhere". What else have these folks >> done? Has anyone a complete discography? >> >> FoFP >> >> >> There was also the band Nine Invisibles which featured members of Ship Of Fools, I also have an album by them ('Pureheadspace') which is rather good, not that I've listened to it lately. Similar stuff but, I think, a little more ambient - I'll need to give it a whirl. Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 4 15:59:31 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:59:31 +0000 Subject: Judge Trev's new club In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, trev wrote: > Announcing the birth of Real Festival Music live gigs - We bring you...DA DAAAAAAA... > > The REAL MUSIC CLUB > > Every month at the Marlborough Theatre, Brighton. > > Featuring the best of live festival performers. > > Click here for full details: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html Trev, guv'nor, me old mucker and so forth: maybe I'm just daft but neither here nor in the advert on the webpage do you seem to have put in an actual *date*... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 4 16:28:42 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:28:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 (long) Message-ID: Dear All, I'm guessing some of you might be interested in my review of this gig... "This was a gig I went to on a whim, more or less. I've been meaning to acquire some kind of knowledge of Mr Cope's work for a while on the grounds that however unmemorable I've found the very little of his stuff I've heard except the comedy tracks he's an archaeologically-learned doom-endorsing Krautrock-enthusiast hippy guru figure whom it behoves me to be informed about, if only because I'd love to be that if I could get away with it. Comets on Fire" being a band whom Doug Pearson keeps "championing as the most exciting thing to happen in spacerock for years", I thought they probably ought to be seen too. "Obviously he's not seen Litmus but I digress. I had been in the Hobgoblin in Brighton the weekend before, and Comets were billed as playing there the next Tuesday. There was no way I could make that which was a damn shame as seeing a band as reportedly spectacular as this would have been pretty intense in such a small space. But they seemed to be on tour, so I looked this up on t'web and discovered this gig. The Royal Festival Hall's a damn good venue and I want them to keep on putting on mad hippies as long as possible, so Fate seemed to have struck. "So I got along there on Friday, late as ever, and to my dismay discovered that a band was already playing even though I was only half an hour after doors. I got up to the balcony and was in time to catch the last number and a half of the first set. This, I presumed, was Comets on Fire, and I was bloody annoyed about not having got there on time as when I came in they were playing a fairly bouncy freak-out jam along the lines of a slightly tamer Acid Mothers Temple, with one floridly-dressed musician playing a double-necked thing of uncertain nature and a gloomy black-dressed space cowboy type fellow with what seemed to be a 12-string fronting. I gathered from an enthusiastically-dancing man next to me that I'd missed five or six songs already and the jam ended quite quickly too, whereupon everyone but the drummer changed instruments and a guest bass player joined the fray. The gloomy cowboy type now took up a flying-V and told us in a lugubrious, faintly Geordie voice, that this next piece was a song about mistaking an alien for the Grim Reaper. And it wandered on fairly peacefully for some minutes without being very impressive and then they went off. "Thing is, as you may have guessed, this was actually Julian Cope, supporting his own support band, and I cheered up rather when I gathered that Comets on Fire were still to come. Sure enough, they took the stage and a long-haired Ivy League-student-looking type starting twiddling controls on a stack of boxes and producing some quite bowel-lurching noises out of what (I had gathered from the web) was an Echoplex. Further reading (and experience) reveals this to be little more than a delay pedal hooked up to a tone generator but he didn't let it stop at all, and within a minute or two the band's other instruments joined the increasing growl, twitter and hum and then BANG they were off. "Comets on Fire were not really a band but more of an experience. You'd have to be a real expert to tell one of their `songs' from another, and while they did occasionally drop into tunes or chord sequences for parts of a number what they were mainly was intense and frantic noise. They had the total reckless energy of a truly incendiary punk band but were working in soundscapes rather than snappy songs, and even that makes it sound too coherent and deliberate. They weren't playing together to achieve an effect, they were all going off on one in the same direction with everything they had and though the bass-player and the second guitarist spent most of the first number plunging back and forth in headbanging unison it didn't seem to throw anything like a riff or a chord sequence as far as the audience. Everything was louder than everything else, and this meant that it was only by about the fourth number I was beginning to work out what was happening and how it worked. The two guitarists and the Echoplex boy could not really be called technically adept musicians, and they were just playing maximum blitz freak-out stuff rather than deliberately musical soloing, though the first one, who also occasionally screamed incomprehensible lyrics into the mic, did have a sense of how to do this that he sometimes brought into play. The other boy (and they did seem pretty young) was just all over the place and spent much of the penultimate number rolling round on the floor fighting with his guitar as if it was trying to attack him. "What was actually happening, I eventually realised, was that the bass-player was leading. He was fabulous, with an excellent heavy rubberised-sounding noise and a constant flood of notes, and one of his amps was pointed back at the drummer who was really not playing rhythm, he was another lead player though a far better one than the guitarists. So they would all leap off on a piece (and they really could switch the maximum intensity on straight away, which was impressive), the bass-player would find its tune (for want of a better word) and stand there doing a creditable Jah Wobble impression with extra heaviness while everyone else fell to bits at maximum speed around him. There were as I say occasional tunes and lyrics, but this clearly wasn't what they were about at all, just ways to mark one frantic episode out from another and give them an idea of when they'd reached somewhere. "I thought this was all fabulous, mind, and when a significant portion of the auditorium went to the bar as soon as the singer started up, I felt as if I'd made a stand. But really, I spent most of the set just grinning at how out of control they were. I've seen bands that would love to be that far gone. This lot have got it all when they want it and can also keep it in check just enough to survive. Musical no, but huge amounts of energy and attack. Where a space-rock band of the accepted sort would be trying to lift the audience off with them this lot just went for immediately teleporting the performance area into deep space by main force, and then spent the next forty minutes on a rollercoaster out there before one by one stopping and walking off the stage leaving the singer- guitarist to thank the audience when he finally let the feedback stop. That said, I discovered to my surprise as I headed for the bar that I had one of the basslines going round in my head so they must have had some subliminal effectiveness. "So then, what of the main act? Because Mr Cope did come back on again. I don't know his stuff well, as I said, so I won't try and give a set-list; he did announce most of them, but I can't say I can remember any of them. So an overall impression instead, then. "Well, it's an easy job being Julian Cope's drummer isn't it? Apart from the fact that it makes you the only member of the band who doesn't have to change instruments in the performance, well, the songs aren't exactly rhythmically challenging. The rest of the band were working much harder to make them interesting, the colourfully-dressed guitarist/bassist being quite possibly the best guitarist I've ever seen, making a great deal of outraegous noise but all perfectly fitted into the gaps, marvellous timing and sense of place, honestly, I've never seen a better. The other stringsman was also pretty good but Bari Watts, whom he sounded a lot like, would have left him a way behind. When this lad was on bass and the extraordinary fellow (whose name I didn't get, his surname was two-syllabled and began with `D', something like Daryan?) on guitar the resultant groove was monstrous, and Julian Cope's own flying-V rhythm parts really didn't make a lot of difference. Any other arrangement worked less well, the songs where Julian did the guitar by himself most musically underwhelming from an arrangement point of view. There was also a couple of electronics players sometimes involved but to be honest what exactly they were adding was either too subtle or too mixed-down to be obvious. "Mr Cope was however the focal point all evening. He spent a *lot* of time at the front of the stage shaking people's hands; he had a real cult following down there, people were reaching out to touch him and so on, it was something quite close to thaumaturgical from where I stood, but he was so continuously verbose and self-deprecating when not singing that it all seemed just normal and friendly and something natural to the man. I'm still not sure how he did this, though having an adoring crowd to start with is obviously going to have helped. He had the guitar on for most of the set, but when it wasn't there he climbed things. There had been things left on stage for him to climb but this just wasn't enough and he was already up and into the boxes nearest the stage inside the first two verses of the first number and before the end of the set he'd got into the stalls and wandered most of the way round the hall shaking hands and being hugged. "So he had it easy for coming across as shamanic, but by and large he was very downbeat and modest. He was also to all appearances tripping, and said a lot about having started on a new psychedelic phase of his life, but this didn't seem to make much of a difference to his ability to spout vagueness or sing and play in time. He did have to be reminded what song they were doing next by his band almost every number, but after having to ask three times once apologised to the audience `for my momentary lapse of professionalism', and was generally on the ball in every other way. Basically, he had an audience eating out of his hand and wasn't having to work for it at all, and it was easy to join in the mass conviction that there was someone very special talking to us (and he did talk a lot) even though I'm not sure he was really by and large doing much to justify it except go on about stuff at great length and take the piss out of himself. I wish *I* could do that for a living. "The last number deserves some description though. Having done the wandering through the audience just before, he was sat on the edge of one of the boxes, swinging his legs in the air and holding hands with a goth while he tried to work out how much time they had left. Then he slowly got round to the stage and then hobbled his boots together and picked up a German tin helmet he'd brought on to start with. With this upturned at hip height, he began to shuffle round stage telling us a story with a slowly- developing musical background, about an Englishman stranded in the desert with `only this German helmet to piss in', though walking along the front of the stage with the helmet where the audience could reach it netted him several spliffs and fifty pence, and told us how this wretched man eventually gets so worked up as to defy the gods. This left him after eight minutes with everything sufficiently worked upthat he could manage to be yelling out abuse at the three main monotheistic godheads and climbing up on to the stalk affair he'd got set up to hang there with his arms out cursing the big gods in a supposedly piss-soaked German helmet and a t-shirt he rapidly tore to bits. The frenzy became so much that he fell off the climbing stalk and then took it clumsily to bits and waved bits of frame at things, but under his command the band eventually quietened down one by one until all was calm and nothing had happened to the blasphemer at all; `it is done, and God has not said a word!', sort of thing. Fairly obvious and laboured point (`you can probably see where this is going', he admitted halfway through climbing his tree), but also a superb piece of showmanship. There was no encore, and he left the audience in raptures. "Showmanship would be the order of the night really. I can't remember enjoying a gig so much that had so little worthwhile or memorable music in it from a viciously critical point of view, but it was several splendid shows and I was quite happy with it as a piece of the performing arts however you want to define them. The bits off the new album sounded as strong or stronger than any of the others but they did get the optimum band arrangement so I'm still not sure if I need any of his albums. I'd go and see him again like a shot though. He has an effortless stage presence I can only envy and does a fine impression of being stoned out of his thinkbox on his own wisdom. His band's not bad either, and he has a fine ear for a support act. I suppose I've become a fan now..." -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Feb 4 16:41:58 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:41:58 -0000 Subject: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 (long) Message-ID: A review that is almost Cope-esque in itself. Doggen is indeed a truly amazing guitarist, as well as being a truly lovely bloke. Julian does indeed have a fine ear for a support act; Litmus supported at all of the other dates on the tour. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 (long) > Dear All, > I'm guessing some of you might be interested in my > review of this gig... > > "This was a gig I went to on a whim, more or less. I've been > meaning to acquire some kind of knowledge of Mr Cope's work for a while on > the grounds that however unmemorable I've found the very little of his > stuff I've heard except the comedy tracks he's an archaeologically-learned > doom-endorsing Krautrock-enthusiast hippy guru figure whom it behoves me > to be informed about, if only because I'd love to be that if I could get > away with it. Comets on Fire" being a band whom Doug Pearson keeps > "championing as the most exciting thing to happen in spacerock for > years", I thought they probably ought to be seen too. "Obviously he's not > seen Litmus but I digress. I had been in the Hobgoblin in Brighton the > weekend before, and Comets were billed as playing there the next > Tuesday. There was no way I could make that which was a damn shame as > seeing a band as reportedly spectacular as this would have been pretty > intense in such a small space. But they seemed to be on tour, so I looked > this up on t'web and discovered this gig. The Royal Festival Hall's a damn > good venue and I want them to keep on putting on mad hippies as long as > possible, so Fate seemed to have struck. > > "So I got along there on Friday, late as ever, and to my dismay > discovered that a band was already playing even though I was only half an > hour after doors. I got up to the balcony and was in time to catch the > last number and a half of the first set. This, I presumed, was Comets on > Fire, and I was bloody annoyed about not having got there on time as when > I came in they were playing a fairly bouncy freak-out jam along the lines > of a slightly tamer Acid Mothers Temple, with one floridly-dressed > musician playing a double-necked thing of uncertain nature and a gloomy > black-dressed space cowboy type fellow with what seemed to be a 12-string > fronting. I gathered from an enthusiastically-dancing man next to me that > I'd missed five or six songs already and the jam ended quite quickly too, > whereupon everyone but the drummer changed instruments and a guest bass > player joined the fray. The gloomy cowboy type now took up a flying-V and > told us in a lugubrious, faintly Geordie voice, that this next piece was a > song about mistaking an alien for the Grim Reaper. And it wandered on > fairly peacefully for some minutes without being very impressive and then > they went off. > > "Thing is, as you may have guessed, this was actually Julian Cope, > supporting his own support band, and I cheered up rather when I gathered > that Comets on Fire were still to come. Sure enough, they took the stage > and a long-haired Ivy League-student-looking type starting twiddling > controls on a stack of boxes and producing some quite bowel-lurching > noises out of what (I had gathered from the web) was an Echoplex. Further > reading (and experience) reveals this to be little more than a delay pedal > hooked up to a tone generator but he didn't let it stop at all, and within > a minute or two the band's other instruments joined the increasing growl, > twitter and hum and then BANG they were off. > > "Comets on Fire were not really a band but more of an > experience. You'd have to be a real expert to tell one of their `songs' > from another, and while they did occasionally drop into tunes or chord > sequences for parts of a number what they were mainly was intense and > frantic noise. They had the total reckless energy of a truly incendiary > punk band but were working in soundscapes rather than snappy songs, and > even that makes it sound too coherent and deliberate. They weren't playing > together to achieve an effect, they were all going off on one in the same > direction with everything they had and though the bass-player and the > second guitarist spent most of the first number plunging back and forth in > headbanging unison it didn't seem to throw anything like a riff or a > chord sequence as far as the audience. Everything was louder than > everything else, and this meant that it was only by about the fourth > number I was beginning to work out what was happening and how it > worked. The two guitarists and the Echoplex boy could not really be called > technically adept musicians, and they were just playing maximum blitz > freak-out stuff rather than deliberately musical soloing, though the first > one, who also occasionally screamed incomprehensible lyrics into the mic, > did have a sense of how to do this that he sometimes brought into play. > The other boy (and they did seem pretty young) was just all over the place > and spent much of the penultimate number rolling round on the floor > fighting with his guitar as if it was trying to attack him. > > "What was actually happening, I eventually realised, was that the > bass-player was leading. He was fabulous, with an excellent heavy > rubberised-sounding noise and a constant flood of notes, and one of his > amps was pointed back at the drummer who was really not playing rhythm, he > was another lead player though a far better one than the guitarists. So > they would all leap off on a piece (and they really could switch the > maximum intensity on straight away, which was impressive), the bass-player > would find its tune (for want of a better word) and stand there doing a > creditable Jah Wobble impression with extra heaviness while everyone else > fell to bits at maximum speed around him. There were as I say occasional > tunes and lyrics, but this clearly wasn't what they were about at all, > just ways to mark one frantic episode out from another and give them an > idea of when they'd reached somewhere. > > "I thought this was all fabulous, mind, and when a significant > portion of the auditorium went to the bar as soon as the singer started > up, I felt as if I'd made a stand. But really, I spent most of the set > just grinning at how out of control they were. I've seen bands that would > love to be that far gone. This lot have got it all when they want it and > can also keep it in check just enough to survive. Musical no, but huge > amounts of energy and attack. Where a space-rock band of the accepted sort > would be trying to lift the audience off with them this lot just went for > immediately teleporting the performance area into deep space by main > force, and then spent the next forty minutes on a rollercoaster out there > before one by one stopping and walking off the stage leaving the singer- > guitarist to thank the audience when he finally let the feedback stop. > That said, I discovered to my surprise as I headed for the bar that I had > one of the basslines going round in my head so they must have had some > subliminal effectiveness. > > "So then, what of the main act? Because Mr Cope did come back on > again. I don't know his stuff well, as I said, so I won't try and give a > set-list; he did announce most of them, but I can't say I can remember any > of them. So an overall impression instead, then. > > "Well, it's an easy job being Julian Cope's drummer isn't > it? Apart from the fact that it makes you the only member of the band who > doesn't have to change instruments in the performance, well, the songs > aren't exactly rhythmically challenging. The rest of the band were working > much harder to make them interesting, the colourfully-dressed > guitarist/bassist being quite possibly the best guitarist I've ever seen, > making a great deal of outraegous noise but all perfectly fitted into the > gaps, marvellous timing and sense of place, honestly, I've never seen a > better. The other stringsman was also pretty good but Bari Watts, whom he > sounded a lot like, would have left him a way behind. When this lad was on > bass and the extraordinary fellow (whose name I didn't get, his surname > was two-syllabled and began with `D', something like Daryan?) on guitar > the resultant groove was monstrous, and Julian Cope's own flying-V rhythm > parts really didn't make a lot of difference. Any other arrangement worked > less well, the songs where Julian did the guitar by himself most musically > underwhelming from an arrangement point of view. There was also a couple > of electronics players sometimes involved but to be honest what exactly > they were adding was either too subtle or too mixed-down to be obvious. > > "Mr Cope was however the focal point all evening. He spent a *lot* > of time at the front of the stage shaking people's hands; he had a real > cult following down there, people were reaching out to touch him and so > on, it was something quite close to thaumaturgical from where I stood, but > he was so continuously verbose and self-deprecating when not singing that > it all seemed just normal and friendly and something natural to the > man. I'm still not sure how he did this, though having an adoring crowd to > start with is obviously going to have helped. He had the guitar on for > most of the set, but when it wasn't there he climbed things. There had > been things left on stage for him to climb but this just wasn't enough and > he was already up and into the boxes nearest the stage inside the first > two verses of the first number and before the end of the set he'd got into > the stalls and wandered most of the way round the hall shaking hands and > being hugged. > > "So he had it easy for coming across as shamanic, but by and large > he was very downbeat and modest. He was also to all appearances tripping, > and said a lot about having started on a new psychedelic phase of his > life, but this didn't seem to make much of a difference to his ability to > spout vagueness or sing and play in time. He did have to be reminded what > song they were doing next by his band almost every number, but after > having to ask three times once apologised to the audience `for my > momentary lapse of professionalism', and was generally on the ball in > every other way. Basically, he had an audience eating out of his hand and > wasn't having to work for it at all, and it was easy to join in the mass > conviction that there was someone very special talking to us (and he did > talk a lot) even though I'm not sure he was really by and large doing much > to justify it except go on about stuff at great length and take the piss > out of himself. I wish *I* could do that for a living. > > "The last number deserves some description though. Having done the > wandering through the audience just before, he was sat on the edge of one > of the boxes, swinging his legs in the air and holding hands with a goth > while he tried to work out how much time they had left. Then he slowly got > round to the stage and then hobbled his boots together and picked up a > German tin helmet he'd brought on to start with. With this upturned at hip > height, he began to shuffle round stage telling us a story with a slowly- > developing musical background, about an Englishman stranded in the desert > with `only this German helmet to piss in', though walking along the front > of the stage with the helmet where the audience could reach it netted him > several spliffs and fifty pence, and told us how this wretched man > eventually gets so worked up as to defy the gods. This left him after > eight minutes with everything sufficiently worked upthat he could manage > to be yelling out abuse at the three main monotheistic godheads and > climbing up on to the stalk affair he'd got set up to hang there with his > arms out cursing the big gods in a supposedly piss-soaked German helmet > and a t-shirt he rapidly tore to bits. The frenzy became so much that he > fell off the climbing stalk and then took it clumsily to bits and waved > bits of frame at things, but under his command the band eventually > quietened down one by one until all was calm and nothing had happened to > the blasphemer at all; `it is done, and God has not said a word!', sort > of thing. Fairly obvious and laboured point (`you can probably see where > this is going', he admitted halfway through climbing his tree), but also a > superb piece of showmanship. There was no encore, and he left the audience > in raptures. > > "Showmanship would be the order of the night really. I can't > remember enjoying a gig so much that had so little worthwhile or memorable > music in it from a viciously critical point of view, but it was several > splendid shows and I was quite happy with it as a piece of the performing > arts however you want to define them. The bits off the new album sounded > as strong or stronger than any of the others but they did get the optimum > band arrangement so I'm still not sure if I need any of his albums. I'd go > and see him again like a shot though. He has an effortless stage presence > I can only envy and does a fine impression of being stoned out of his > thinkbox on his own wisdom. His band's not bad either, and he has a fine > ear for a support act. I suppose I've become a fan now..." > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Feb 4 18:51:20 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:51:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 (long) Message-ID: Great review, Jon! (As always) Just to add a few details/clarifications ... On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:28:42 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >Comets on Fire" being a band whom Doug Pearson keeps >"championing as the most exciting thing to happen in spacerock for >years", I thought they probably ought to be seen too. "Obviously he's not >seen Litmus but I digress. Indeed I haven't (but the live recordings are GREAT!). And they were hoping to see Litmus while they were in the UK, but being on tour keeps on a bit busy. I'm not sure that I'd really call Comets a spacerock band per se, but they ought to be enjoyable to anyone who likes the heavier side of spacerock. Sounds like they were in this case. > The two guitarists and the Echoplex boy could not really be called >technically adept musicians, and they were just playing maximum blitz >freak-out stuff rather than deliberately musical soloing, though the first >one, who also occasionally screamed incomprehensible lyrics into the mic, >did have a sense of how to do this that he sometimes brought into play. >The other boy (and they did seem pretty young) was just all over the place >and spent much of the penultimate number rolling round on the floor >fighting with his guitar as if it was trying to attack him. "The other boy" is Ben Chasney, who records/performs solo acoustic psychedelic folk under the name Six Organs of Admittance (his latest album just came out on Drag City). He's actually an extremely adept acoustic guitarist, but there's no way you could tell that from his performances with Comets :^). I saw the band members for the first time since their tour last night (Six Organs and two other members' projects were performing), and the rest of them mentioned that they'd occasionally find themselves unplugged from their amps after Ben danced all over their pedals and kicked out the cords. > "What was actually happening, I eventually realised, was that the >bass-player was leading. He was fabulous, with an excellent heavy >rubberised-sounding noise and a constant flood of notes, and one of his >amps was pointed back at the drummer who was really not playing rhythm, he >was another lead player though a far better one than the guitarists. Eutrillo, the drummer, never fails to amaze me. Definitely a lead player! He wasn't on the band's first album, but they improved tremendously when he joined. He's also a fine pianist (which can be heard on their latest album); last night he was playing songs (solo) that sounded like "After the Gold Rush" meets (something like) Barry Manilow, if you can believe it. Glad to hear you enjoyed 'em ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 4 21:17:18 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:17:18 -0000 Subject: Judge Trev's new club Message-ID: look at the posters...i could't be bothered to write it all out twice he he http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html ..and if you want one of those cd's we talked about you'll have to resend youe address 'cos i lost it trev (judge) AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://box7.bluehost.com/~realfest/judgetrev/ REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Judge Trev's new club > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, trev wrote: > >> Announcing the birth of Real Festival Music live gigs - We bring you...DA >> DAAAAAAA... >> >> The REAL MUSIC CLUB >> >> Every month at the Marlborough Theatre, Brighton. >> >> Featuring the best of live festival performers. >> >> Click here for full details: >> http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk/realmusicclub1.html > > Trev, guv'nor, me old mucker and so forth: maybe I'm just daft but > neither here nor in the advert on the webpage do you seem to have put in > an actual *date*... Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) > From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Feb 6 08:56:16 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:56:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Atomic Bongload, Alchemical Radio, and Drool Trough shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com February 6, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #9), Alchemical Radio (show #79), and Drool Trough (show #24) You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html The Atomic Bongload (show #9) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we receive at Aural Innovations. Listen to the show to find out how you win get a FREE copy of the self titled CD on the Small Stone label by monster rockers SASQUATCH. This sucker SMOKES!!! The Glasspack ? ?Twenty-Five Cents? (from Bridgeburner) Sasquatch ? ?Knuckle Down? (from Sasquatch) The Walt James Band - "The Tide" (from Arrival) Josh?s Appletree ? ?Groovy Devil?s Machine? (from Atomic Fruit) Lord Sterling ? ?Hidden Flame? (from Today?s Song For Tomorrow) Blood Farmers ? ?St. Chibes? (from Permanent Brain Damage) Svarte Pan ? ?D?rarnas Palats? (from Nattvandring) Red Giant ? ?Devil Child Blues? (from Devil Child Blues) Sons Of Otis ? ?Help Me? (from X) AcidGuitarKing ? ?Death March? (from What?s Up, Mutants: Volume 1) Rumsfield ? ?Layers? (from Terrible Times) Alchemical Radio (show #79) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions Homeland Security ? "The Enemy Within" The Paul Rose Band ? "Con Trick" Ron Noyes Band ? "Bittersweet" Robin O? Brien ? "Appleseed" Robert Ziino ? "Birth" Robbie Roxx And The Monster Band ? "Earl Owns The World" The Rick Ray Band ? "Calm Before The Storm" Radium 88 ? "The Deep End" Paradox One ? "Adrenaline Rush" Pete ?Big Dog? Fetters ? "When I Turn 85" Paul Roland ? "Voodoo Doll" Patrick Porter - "Taxi Driva (NYC Almost Instrumental)" Past Perfect ? "Lethe" Nelson Said ? "Little One" Nothing 2 Declare ? "One More Time Around" Mirror Figure ? "Do You Feel Like Living" Paul Bullock ? "At The Passing Of The Joint" Drool Trough (show #24) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Ritual ? ?Good War? (from Good War CD Single) The Psycho Delmatics ? ?Thrill Killers? (from Tough Guys Can Dance) Spires That In The Sunset Rise ? ?Crooked Spine? (from Spires That In The Sunset Rise) Heartscore ? ?A Dream Within A Dream? (from Straight To The Brain) Mummies of the Insane ? ?Katherine Gasoline? (from Mummies of the Insane) Ozone Player ? ?Limping Alien? (from Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas) Mashed Buddha ? ?Dimension? (from Subdue Your Mind) Chill Faction ? ?Sweet & Sour Sadness of Sunday Afternoons? (from Eggman on the Deuce and Other Stories) Cowbrain & Saw - ?? (from Nearandfar) The Capsules ? ?What I Learned About Zero? (from Ozone Vol. 1) Aki Peltonen ? ?Orchestra, Accordion and MW-Radio #1? (from Radio Banana) Citified ? ?Overseas? (from Citified) Elevator ? ?The Invitation? (from August) DJ Tedness ? ?Bump In The Night? (from Digital Samurai) Owen ? ?Solar Paneled Robot? (from The Christmas ?05 Double EP) Gratton ? ?Fives and Sevens? (from Gratton) The brotheregg ? ?What The Zoo Did To You? (from Aortica Mor) The Big Huge ? ?Slumbering Lioness? (from Crown Your Head With Flowers, Crown Your Heart With Joy) Monster Movie ? ?Chances Are High? (from Transistor) Joules ? track 4 (from Laser Cannon & Street Thunder) http://Aural-Innovations.com From gg at SIO4.COM Mon Feb 7 04:08:03 2005 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:08:03 +0100 Subject: off: "30 years of motorhead" party Message-ID: ok, I've been waiting for this for a looooong time. http://www.getlive.co.uk/events/presale.asp?id=Motorhead here it is, there I will be. June, 16. Do you know if is scheduled an Hawkwind gig for that week? Or, better, if there will be an Hawkwind apparition at that Show? gg From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Feb 7 17:24:33 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:24:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ship of Fools In-Reply-To: <4203A916.60209@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Nick Lee wrote: > M Holmes wrote: > > >Getting really into "Out There Somewhere". What else have these folks > >done? Has anyone a complete discography? > > > There's also 'Close Your Eyes Forget The World'. I have the two as a > double CD. I think 'Out There Somewhere' is slightly the better of the two. > Christopher Williams' 'Adrift In The Ether' also lists a cassette > ('Visions') and a 10" single/EP which draws on tracks from 'Out There > Somewhere'. > I have a feeling there might also be a compilation. Compilation there is, called _Let's Get This Mother Outta Here_ which is rather unfortunate, but it claims to be remastered (and from the few other tracks I've heard on compilations I can well believe it, quality's far *far* better) and is all remixed to flow as a whole, and I think it's rather great apart from the disappointing `Diesel Spaceship' and `L=SD^2' (which is still a lot better than the original by reason of being cut down). Tracklist: Diesel Spaceship L=SD^2 Where is Here First Light (it starts to get really good here) In The Wake Of >From Time (and from here it's all the absolute business; the bass-player even wakes up for some of it but mainly gorgeous textures and big chord sequence washes, very nice indeed) Passage By Night Western Lands Guidance Is Internal There also claims be a video of `L=SD^2' on it but I've yet to stick the disc into a computer that can read it so I'll have to pass judgement on that one. It's on Peaceville, alarmingly, by reason of one member's connection to Anathema it seems. Definitely worth picking up especially if you don't have the original albums. On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Nick Lee wrote: > >> > There was also the band Nine Invisibles which featured members of Ship > Of Fools, I also have an album by them ('Pureheadspace') which is rather > good, not that I've listened to it lately. Similar stuff but, I think, > a little more ambient - I'll need to give it a whirl. And I've got the second album of theirs, _Soundbombing_, which is also rather good though about as like Ship of Fools as you'd expect from the discovery that it only shares one member and a guest synth player with the older band. It's much much more like Orbital except with a bottom end that does something (in which, with all due respect, it is again not much like Ship of Fools) and overall a thicker more textured sound than `classic' Orbital has, though _Middle of Nowhere_ is a much better comparison. I think it's rather good, and it also has Pat Fulgoni from Kava Kava doing what John Lydon did for Leftfield over a lot of it to pretty similar effect. Unfortunately, it was on Delerium, so whether it can still be obtained is anyone's guess but as dance/techno albums go it's a winner I think. Not that this is really my field, but I know what I like, sort of thing. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Feb 7 17:31:06 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:31:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 In-Reply-To: <00e601c50b02$5a3b4100$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Colin J Allen wrote: > A review that is almost Cope-esque in itself. Doggen is indeed a truly > amazing guitarist, as well as being a truly lovely bloke. > > Julian does indeed have a fine ear for a support act; Litmus supported at > all of the other dates on the tour. Well, indeed, it was knowing this and remembering that he was the first person to put on Sunn 0))) over here that made me say it. I was sorry I couldn't make any of those gigs. Bristol seemed most likely but the bloke I would have gone with didn't want to see Julian Cope. Pfah. There was neither mor money in the end anyway. More gigs in London soon please :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Feb 7 17:34:46 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:34:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 Message-ID: Working on it;). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Julian Cope w/Comets on Fire, London Royal Festival Hall, 21st January 2005 > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Colin J Allen wrote: > > > A review that is almost Cope-esque in itself. Doggen is indeed a truly > > amazing guitarist, as well as being a truly lovely bloke. > > > > Julian does indeed have a fine ear for a support act; Litmus supported at > > all of the other dates on the tour. > > Well, indeed, it was knowing this and remembering that he was the > first person to put on Sunn 0))) over here that made me say it. I was > sorry I couldn't make any of those gigs. Bristol seemed most likely but > the bloke I would have gone with didn't want to see Julian Cope. Pfah. > There was neither mor money in the end anyway. More gigs in London soon > please :-) Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk > "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, > So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." > (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 8 12:02:48 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:02:48 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece Message-ID: I've just agreed a deal which will put a tiny (0.33gm) piece of Mars on my mantlepiece. All I need now is a nice transparent display case and maybe an LED rig to light it from below. Jewelry display kit or something? Does anyone have any ideas? I'd absolutely no idea you could buy such stuff. I thought it'd all be in labs. I'm going to be very pleased for a while. Weirdly, Moon rock is more expensive. I'd have thought that more of that would hit Earth than pieces of Mars. One day though... FoFP From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Feb 8 12:09:26 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:09:26 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502081702.j18H2mcc017265@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Quoting M Holmes : > I've just agreed a deal which will put a tiny (0.33gm) piece of Mars on > my mantlepiece. Nice knowing you. :-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Tue Feb 8 12:47:28 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:47:28 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece Message-ID: >>> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK 2/8/2005 12:02:48 PM >>> I've just agreed a deal which will put a tiny (0.33gm) piece of Mars on my mantlepiece. All I need now is a nice transparent display case and maybe an LED rig to light it from below. Jewelry display kit or something? Does anyone have any ideas? I'd absolutely no idea you could buy such stuff. I thought it'd all be in labs. I'm going to be very pleased for a while. Yah, a bud of mine has bought pieces of meteorites. Never knew you could get martian rock! theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 8 13:11:44 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:11:44 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502081702.j18H2mcc017265@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:02:48PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > All I need now is a nice transparent display case and maybe an LED rig > to light it from below. Jewelry display kit or something? Does anyone > have any ideas? If you can find a glassblower, get them to make a glass display bubble thingie that stands on three long spindly glass legs :-) Um, maybe with a nice, tasteful NASA logo off to one side for that Ob-HW-reference :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Feb 8 13:47:55 2005 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:47:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <20050208181144.GB24488@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Eric Siegerman wrote: :Subject: Re: Space rock on my mantlepiece :On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:02:48PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: :> All I need now is a nice transparent display case and maybe an LED rig :> to light it from below. Jewelry display kit or something? Does anyone :> have any ideas? : :If you can find a glassblower, get them to make a glass display :bubble thingie that stands on three long spindly glass legs :-) : :Um, maybe with a nice, tasteful NASA logo off to one side for :that Ob-HW-reference :-) heh. Make it into a music box which can play tasteful selections from the war of the worlds musical ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Feb 8 14:53:24 2005 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:53:24 -0000 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502081702.j18H2mcc017265@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hmmm, according to http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/metsPerGroup.dsml Lunar meteorites are rarer than Martian meteorites, but not by that much ... JR PS balance something American on it (a coin?) so you can then say "Uncle Sam's on Mars" :-) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: 08 February 2005 17:03 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece I've just agreed a deal which will put a tiny (0.33gm) piece of Mars on my mantlepiece. All I need now is a nice transparent display case and maybe an LED rig to light it from below. Jewelry display kit or something? Does anyone have any ideas? I'd absolutely no idea you could buy such stuff. I thought it'd all be in labs. I'm going to be very pleased for a while. Weirdly, Moon rock is more expensive. I'd have thought that more of that would hit Earth than pieces of Mars. One day though... FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 8 16:23:40 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:40 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <001201c50e17$d9ad5820$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 07:53:24PM -0000, Hawkfan wrote: > PS balance something American on it (a coin?) so you can then say "Uncle > Sam's on Mars" :-) Ooo, I like that better than my NASA-logo suggestion! Use a penny -- Lincoln looks kind of like old Sam. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 9 08:58:03 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:58:03 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Hawkfan's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:53:24 -0000 Message-ID: Hawkfan writes: > Hmmm, according to > http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/metsPerGroup.dsml Lunar > meteorites are rarer than Martian meteorites, but not by that much ... I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore much more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Feb 9 10:27:05 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:27:05 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502091358.j19Dw3Gc020283@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:58:03PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric > impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore much > more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. Completely uneducated guess, but ... maybe Mars takes a lot more hits than the Moon, by virtue of being farther out -- oh, and next door to the asteroid belt, too. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 9 11:11:19 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:11:19 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:58:03PM +0000, M Holmes wrote: > > I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric > > impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore much > > more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. > Completely uneducated guess, but ... maybe Mars takes a lot more > hits than the Moon, by virtue of being farther out -- oh, and > next door to the asteroid belt, too. Could be, and there's obviously the *BIG* hit on Mars which produced the Tharsis bulge, the Hellas crater and the canyon system that makes the Grand Canyon look like a scratch. That must have thrown a few bits into solar orbit. Presumably the Moon, which was produced by a giant impact on Earth, is also younger than Mars? FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Feb 9 11:26:22 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:26:22 -0500 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502091611.j19GBJrp011500@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric > impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore > much > more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. Perhaps Moon rocks are harder for the average person to identify as "otherworldly" and therefore fewer are brought to the attention of those who study meteorites? Brian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 9 12:13:16 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:13:16 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Brian Halligan's message of Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: Brian Halligan writes: > > I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric > > impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore > > much > > more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. > > Perhaps Moon rocks are harder for the average person to identify as > "otherworldly" and therefore fewer are brought to the attention of > those who study meteorites? There could be an element of this. The mechanics of meteorite collection run a little against it being a large factor. Basically meteorites are eithe spotted coming in as a fireball and then fragments recovered on the ground, or they're actively searched for in terrain where they can be spotted, such as sand deserts and ice sheets. Identification is usually made by evidence of heat or shocking on a piece of rock, which would apply as much to Lunar meteorites as Mars ones. There was an astronomer in the house. Was it John McIntyre? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 9 12:17:34 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:17:34 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Hawkfan's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:53:24 -0000 Message-ID: Another thought on why Lunar meteorites may be relatively rare: With impacts of a certain size, chunks of the Moon might indeed be imparted lunar escape velocity, but might then go into Earth orbity rather than a solar orbit which Earth could later intercept. Effectively to hit Earth, such impacts have to produce chunks of the Moon which escape the Earth/Moon system altogether. That problem doesn't exists where Mars is concerned. So the question becomes whether the escape velocity required for solar orbit from the surface of the Moon is greater than that from the surface of Mars. FoFP From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Feb 9 13:53:40 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:40 -0000 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Space rock on my mantlepiece > Another thought on why Lunar meteorites may be relatively rare: > > With impacts of a certain size, chunks of the Moon might indeed > be > imparted lunar escape velocity, but might then go into Earth > orbity Wouldn't that lead to the equivalent of a ring of debris around the Earth - I know there are loads of micro meteorites in orbit but lunar debris lurking around? Is it possible that Lunar impacts produce dust rather than fragments or maybe Lunar fragments that reach Earth are more likely to disintegrate when they hit the atmosphere? Just curious jill From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Wed Feb 9 16:19:08 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:19:08 +0100 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502091358.j19Dw3Gc020283@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >Hawkfan writes: > > > >>Hmmm, according to >>http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/metsPerGroup.dsml Lunar >>meteorites are rarer than Martian meteorites, but not by that much ... >> >> > >I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric >impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore much >more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. > > Well, maybe not. Because the moon is so close to the earth, anything that is chipped off the moon will have to either be close to the lunar orbital around the earth, or to the earth's orbital around the sun in order to stand a chance to hit the earth. Anything that's chipped off Mars can fly off in just about any direction and still have a chance of hitting the earth. Then again, the moon is a whole lot smaller than Mars, so it'll get hit less often, but due to the moon's gravity being about half of Mars', it's easier to escape from the moon than it is to escape from Mars (not even considering Mars' atmosphere). If I remember correctly, the earth and the moon were formed roughly around the same time. Furthermore, the moon's way too big to be a true moon. I think the consensus nowadays is that the earth and the moon form a bi-planery system. But I'm not an astronomer, so I may be wrong on this. Gr, Arjan H From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Feb 9 20:08:51 2005 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:38:51 +1030 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece Message-ID: it is because the moon is made of cheese right? Lunar cheese melts faster than Martian rock :-} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Space rock on my mantlepiece >M Holmes wrote: >> I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric >> impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore >> much >> more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. > > Perhaps Moon rocks are harder for the average person to identify as > "otherworldly" and therefore fewer are brought to the attention of > those who study meteorites? > > Brian > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 10 06:04:43 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:04:43 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: Space rock on my mantlepiece > > > > Another thought on why Lunar meteorites may be relatively rare: > > > > With impacts of a certain size, chunks of the Moon might indeed > > be > > imparted lunar escape velocity, but might then go into Earth > > orbity > > Wouldn't that lead to the equivalent of a ring of debris around the > Earth - I know there are loads of micro meteorites in orbit but > lunar debris lurking around? It'd have to be an awfully big bang to produce a ring of stuff and a bang that big would put most into solar orbit. I'm sure there will be lunar debris floating around the Earth/Moon system but remember that a lot of it would just get hoovered up by the Moon again. > Is it possible that Lunar > impacts produce dust rather than fragments or maybe Lunar fragments > that reach Earth are more likely to disintegrate when they hit the > atmosphere? Could be. Obviously size is important as far as making it through the atmosphere is concerned. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 10 08:10:07 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:10:07 GMT Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: Arjan Hulsebos's message of Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:19:08 +0100 Message-ID: Arjan Hulsebos writes: > M Holmes wrote: > >I'm puzzled by that. Surely anything knocked off the Moon by meteoric > >impact would already be in an Earth-crossing orbit. Seems therefore much > >more likely that these would hit Earth than the same situation on Mars. > > Well, maybe not. Because the moon is so close to the earth, anything > that is chipped off the moon will have to either be close to the lunar > orbital around the earth, or to the earth's orbital around the sun in > order to stand a chance to hit the earth. Since anything hit from the Earth/Moon orbit around the Sun into solar orbit is imparted a one-off acceleration, it will take up an orbit that intersects the Earth/Moon orbit twice a year, with appropriate opportunities for being hit by either. > Anything that's chipped off Mars can fly off in just about any direction > and still have a chance of hitting the earth. Only if it's slowed down from the Mars orbit so that the semiminor axis of the new orbit is inside of Earth's orbit. remember that any debris from Mars in solar orbit will cross the orbit of Mars twice per Martian year. > Then again, the moon is a whole lot smaller than Mars, so it'll get hit > less often, but due to the moon's gravity being about half of Mars', > it's easier to escape from the moon than it is to escape from Mars (not > even considering Mars' atmosphere). Yup, I think those may be major factors in all this. > > > If I remember correctly, the earth and the moon were formed roughly > around the same time. Furthermore, the moon's way too big to be a true > moon. I think the consensus nowadays is that the earth and the moon form > a bi-planery system. But I'm not an astronomer, so I may be wrong on this. The Earth was hit by a large planetoid early in its history. The Moon is made out of stuff knocked from Earth into Earth orbit at that time. The evidence is the similarity of Moon rock to what the Earth is composed of. Presumably this also means that there's a bunch of Earth meteorites on other planets and moons. FoFP From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Thu Feb 10 13:14:25 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:14:25 +0100 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <200502101310.j1ADA7n6025242@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >Since anything hit from the Earth/Moon orbit around the Sun into solar >orbit is imparted a one-off acceleration, it will take up an orbit that >intersects the Earth/Moon orbit twice a year, with appropriate >opportunities for being hit by either. > > Nah, the sun's gravitational field is three orders of magnitude weaker than the earth's "around here", so anything that escapes the earth will fly off into outer space if it's headed away from the sun. And even if it's headed in the general direction of the sun, there's only a small chance it'll wind up in an orbit around the sun. I think it kinda like "you only have one shot...." Gr, Arjan H From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Feb 10 15:12:42 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:12:42 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <41FFA01A.7040803@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 30-Jan-2005 19:21, Chas wrote: > > According to the 100 club web site Brain Surgeons are due on stage at > > 10:15 - depending on how long tBS are going to play for (hopefully for > > ever!) we could meet up at the venue after the set - then if anyone knows of > > somewhere to move on to....... - although I believe the 100 club will be > > open to 1:00pm - by which time I will have missed my last train so I don't > > mind what we do!! > > Well, my last train heads out at midnight-ish, so even if tBS played > only about an hour, I'd have to rush off with extremely hasty farewells > to all! I've found myself a bus back to Cambridge from Victoria coach > station at 2.50am or so. Brutal, but hey. Investigating that possibility makes it apparent that that coach gets into Cambridge at six o'clock in the morning, which if it runs to time would get me home about half an hour before my son wakes up :-) I'm just not that Metal. I shall have to hope the night runs to time and run off for that midnight four train I fear. If I don't get a chance to talk to the band perhaps other people can send my awe and admiration, as I guess I'm fairly likely to have some :-) See people there, yours, Jon ObCD: Clutch - _Pure Rock Fury_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 10 16:09:34 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:09:34 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <81293481830d22fd62a4eeabd6bd226a@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Argh! I can't find my carefully ordered and obviously less carefully stored) ticket! But hopefully there'll be tix on the door still (nice though it would be otherwise to see tBS to sell out the show in advance! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Feb 11 07:39:30 2005 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:39:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read In-Reply-To: <200502111000.j1BA03A9006967@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: Could get interesting! http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1410235,00.html Anybody but me who'd like to see a documentary about "the Putney", the brit-synth above all (and of Del Detmar-fame)? Anyways, here's recommended bed-reading: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674008898/qid=1108125144/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4205510-3640661?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 The story about the Moog - but not limited to: Much trivia about the early rival synth manufacturers and the various subcultures they were implemented into (or started). Lots of priceless stories, including one about Sun Ra being exstatic about his "broken"Minimoog - heavy malfunction made sounds he'd only ever dreamt about... Interesting reading! Ketil Svendsen, Bergen From Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE Fri Feb 11 13:08:12 2005 From: Filip.Vanhuyse at PANDORA.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:08:12 +0100 Subject: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read Message-ID: For trivia,the Mick Jagger/Rolling Stones Big Moog was sold to Tangerine Dream around the "Phaedra" area and you should try to get a copy of the "Performance" soundtrack,you'll be really really surprised.Mick Jagger can do something else than singing,a whole lot different than the George Harrison "Wonderwall" noodling. While on the subject,try to get original Columbia/CBS recordings of Morton Subotnik.It's not Moog,but Buhla synthesizers,you don't know what you hear greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read > Could get interesting! > http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1410235,00.html > > Anybody but me who'd like to see a documentary about "the Putney", the > brit-synth above all (and of Del Detmar-fame)? > Anyways, here's recommended bed-reading: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674008898/qid=1108125144/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4205510-3640661?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 > The story about the Moog - but not limited to: Much trivia about the > early rival synth manufacturers and the various subcultures they were > implemented into (or started). Lots of priceless stories, including one > about Sun Ra being exstatic about his "broken"Minimoog - heavy > malfunction made sounds he'd only ever dreamt about... > Interesting reading! > > Ketil Svendsen, > Bergen > > From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 11 14:59:32 2005 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read Message-ID: Does Tomita get a mention in the book? As a teenager in the 80s I got into synths and I used to read a magazine called Electronics and Music Maker. Isao Tomita used to get mentioned regularly, along with Tangerine Dream and Wendy Carlos etc, for the incredible sounds he created. In my mind the guy is a kind of synth Grandmaster but he rarely gets a mention these days. Most people seem to see Kraftwerk as sole pioneers of electronic music, probably because of the all-enveloping influence of dance music in the 90s. I think this is a mistake. On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:39:30 +0100, Ketil Svendsen wrote: >Could get interesting! >http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1410235,00.html > >Anybody but me who'd like to see a documentary about "the Putney", the >brit-synth above all (and of Del Detmar-fame)? >Anyways, here's recommended bed-reading: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /0674008898/qid=1108125144/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4205510-3640661? v=glance&s=books&n=507846 >The story about the Moog - but not limited to: Much trivia about the >early rival synth manufacturers and the various subcultures they were >implemented into (or started). Lots of priceless stories, including one >about Sun Ra being exstatic about his "broken"Minimoog - heavy >malfunction made sounds he'd only ever dreamt about... >Interesting reading! > >Ketil Svendsen, >Bergen From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Feb 11 16:10:23 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:10:23 +0000 Subject: Space rock on my mantlepiece In-Reply-To: <001a01c50ed8$ad919050$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: Jill wrote - > Wouldn't that lead to the equivalent of a ring of > debris around the > Earth - I know there are loads of micro meteorites > in orbit but > lunar debris lurking around? Is it possible > that Lunar > impacts produce dust rather than fragments or maybe > Lunar fragments > that reach Earth are more likely to disintegrate > when they hit the > atmosphere? Many astronomers have attempted to observe the "Kordylewski Clouds" - faint clouds of dust which are said to consist of lunar debris orbiting at the L4 and L5 Earth-Moon Lagrangian points. I don't think anyone has yet!! http://www.daedalusal4.utvinternet.co.uk/1%20-%20Location.htm Mick --- Jill Strobridge wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: Space rock on my mantlepiece > > > > Another thought on why Lunar meteorites may be > relatively rare: > > > > With impacts of a certain size, chunks of the Moon > might indeed > > be > > imparted lunar escape velocity, but might then go > into Earth > > orbity > > Wouldn't that lead to the equivalent of a ring of > debris around the > Earth - I know there are loads of micro meteorites > in orbit but > lunar debris lurking around? Is it possible > that Lunar > impacts produce dust rather than fragments or maybe > Lunar fragments > that reach Earth are more likely to disintegrate > when they hit the > atmosphere? > > Just curious > jill > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Fri Feb 11 22:21:00 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:21:00 -0000 Subject: Brain: London Message-ID: How ace was that? - 3:15pm, just got home, train and ?35 cab fare, but who cares? I just spent nearly 1 hour hanging w/ Deb, Al and Ross the f*****g boss. D&S, tR&tB as encores What a cool night. What fantastic people, they really wanted to spend time hanging out with everyone. It was really great to see every one too- Andy, Tim, Carl etc . I got a totally autographed set list - I will frame it!! Hopefully I have photos and they will eventually appear somewhere (after my holiday). All of tBS - thanks for a great night, UK at last - hopefully not for the last time - we need a greatest hits set Can't wait for the new album I'm gonna feel s**t later today, but who cares .......Charlie. (CtGB) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Brain: London > Argh! I can't find my carefully ordered and obviously less carefully > stored) ticket! But hopefully there'll be tix on the door still (nice > though it would be otherwise to see tBS to sell out the show in > advance! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Feb 12 10:25:47 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:25:47 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures Message-ID: Fresh from the London gig! Begin forwarded message: > From: Andy Gilham > Date: 12 February 2005 09:02:35 GMT > Subject: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > http://www.andygilham.com/tbs.htm > > Rock'n'roll! > > -- Andy -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Feb 12 10:33:13 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:33:13 +0000 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <001501c510b2$39761430$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On 12 Feb 2005, at 03:21, Chas wrote: > How ace was that? Utterly, utterly ace! Totally great energy from the band. We made the mistake of sprinting for the last train and missing it (the others made it -- we were slow and missed a key underground connection and had to wait 9 minutes for the next! argh! ;) And the club seemed cleared out by the time we got back there -- but hey, we went out to boogie anyway, being just so psyched by the show. Got back before sunrise, anyway, so we could pretend it was still night when we hit the sack. Great to see new and old faces -- the band included :) Wish we'd managed to stick around longer more sensibly, but hey: it rocked :) The new songs were great, and I only wish the set had been longer to get in more from the tBS back catalog. Next time! :) But really, the band was certainly as strong as I've ever seen, and Ross exactly the boost that they needed. I wouldn't change a thing about this band. Great new songs, ripping performances, touring out in Europe -- this must be a really cool time to be a Brain Surgeon :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Feb 12 12:46:30 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:46:30 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <8ff95d1d813c883d77fa8977ac31bd18@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:25 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Fresh from the London gig! > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Andy Gilham > > Date: 12 February 2005 09:02:35 GMT > > Subject: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > > > http://www.andygilham.com/tbs.htm > > > > Rock'n'roll! > > > > -- Andy Does anyone have a setlist? Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Feb 12 18:52:06 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:52:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:32 -0500, Alastair Sumner wrote: >Does Tomita get a mention in the book? As a teenager in the 80s I got into >synths and I used to read a magazine called Electronics and Music Maker. >Isao Tomita used to get mentioned regularly, along with Tangerine Dream and >Wendy Carlos etc, for the incredible sounds he created. In my mind the guy >is a kind of synth Grandmaster but he rarely gets a mention these days. >Most people seem to see Kraftwerk as sole pioneers of electronic music, >probably because of the all-enveloping influence of dance music in the 90s. >I think this is a mistake. It depends just how pioneering you mean- I think the true pioneers of electronic music were considerably earlier figures. Filip mentioned Morton Subotnick who would certainly qualify. Ali, going by this thread and other conversations we've had, I suspect you'd be fascinated by a comp called "Early Modulations: Vintage Volts", there's a bit about it here: http://www.lafolia.com/archive/covell/covell200004caiprirnha.html Nick From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Sun Feb 13 07:45:59 2005 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:45:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Xmas single. Message-ID: Hi there! A few questions concerning Hawkwind. I ordered the Xmas single in late December 2004 but haven?t still got my copy. Was the first copies sold out during the tour? I?ve tried to contact the mothership but without any success. Any news concering the long awaited single "Silver machine" and the CD "Take me to your leader"? Shouldn?t they?ve been released during the tour at the end of 2004? Meanwhile I`m looking at some great ELP DVD?s:-)). And living on the memories of great Rush concerts (Wembley and The Globe Arena) last year:-))))). All the best from Sweden Hawkswede From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Sun Feb 13 10:42:44 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:42:44 -0700 Subject: OFF: ELP Message-ID: >>>Meanwhile I`m looking at some great ELP DVD?s:-)). Which ones, Hawkswede? Is there something new I should know about? All the best, from Utah. Brad From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Sun Feb 13 11:33:06 2005 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:33:06 +0100 Subject: ELP Message-ID: Hi Brad! Just some legal ones - Pictures, Live at Albert Hall and Inside ELP. Great DVD?s all of them :-))). What an band! I?ve also read Keith Emerson?s book recently and I really enjoyed it. Maybe the best autobiography I?ve read. Cheers Hawkswede ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Dahl" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: OFF: ELP >>>>Meanwhile I`m looking at some great ELP DVD?s:-)). > > Which ones, Hawkswede? Is there something new I should know about? > > All the best, from Utah. > > Brad > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Feb 13 13:17:39 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:17:39 EST Subject: HW: Xmas single. Message-ID: In a message dated 13/02/05 12:47:52 GMT Standard Time, hawkswede at TELIA.COM writes: > I ordered the Xmas single in late December 2004 but haven?t still got my > copy. Was the first copies sold out during the tour? I?ve tried to contact the > mothership but without any success. > I think they're stuck in a time loop. They certainly are not responding to any questions or cheques we put their way. Steve. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sun Feb 13 13:44:03 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:44:03 EST Subject: HW: Xmas single. Message-ID: In a message dated 13/02/05 18:19:41 GMT Standard Time, GutterCat at AOL.COM writes: > >I ordered the Xmas single in late December 2004 but haven?t still got my > >copy. Was the first copies sold out during the tour? Sorry, I forgot to answer that. The CD was sold out by the time I got to see them in Manchester. That was the second to last show of the tour. Couldn't make it to any of the other gigs unfortunately. The venues weren't ideal though. I would have gone to Liverpool the night after, but an obscure venue in Birkenhead??? We don't all have starcruisers. Some of us rely on public transport. It's been a looooooong time coming, but I am now disillusioned with the way Hawkwind are operating. If indeed they ARE operating. Come on.... tell us something! All the people who have sent you cheques... are you going to tear them up? Return them? Send a CD? Or maybe..... make an announcement?? Ahhh... end of rant. I'm just going to put PXR5 onto CD. I recorded it from vinyl onto a dreaded cassette, and nor it goes onto disc. Hey, how about this for an idea... we have waited so long for official CD releases. Maybe they are working on thE best for us: DVD Audio reissues of each album, with 5.1 surround sound. *** END OF DREAM SEQUENCE *** From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Sun Feb 13 17:35:25 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:35:25 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures Message-ID: Set list: It Lives!134 Jimmy Boots 153/132 Gun 132 1864 136 Lonestar 115 Constantine Sword 124 Verboten 122 Dark Secrets 100 Plague of Lies 160 Tattoo Vampire Cities (xtend) 92 Chng Wrld Henry 171 All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what they mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? they then played Dominance and Submission, then The Red and The Black (both as requested by the audience) All of the new songs sounded really ace and I can't wait to hear the new album. The band were obviously really excited about the newies and it was almost like seeing a new band promoting their first album. They kept sort of apologising to the crowd about the inclusion of so many songs which we hadn't heard - but it was just great to see them live at last. .......Charlie. (CtGB). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:25 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > Fresh from the London gig! > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Andy Gilham > > > Date: 12 February 2005 09:02:35 GMT > > > Subject: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > > > > > http://www.andygilham.com/tbs.htm > > > > > > Rock'n'roll! > > > > > > -- Andy > > Does anyone have a setlist? > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sun Feb 13 20:31:46 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:31:46 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <004501c5121c$5131a740$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: I totally agree. It was a great gig. There are loads more pictures posted over on BOCFANS, including some of mine. http://www.bocfans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=806&st=140 The pics start on Page 8. The thing that struck me was what great people The Brain Surgeons are. Plenty of time to talk to the fans and they all seemed really happy to be there playing, particularly Deborah who was smiling all night. I can't wait for the new album too. It's going to rock. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chas Sent: 13 February 2005 22:35 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures Set list: It Lives!134 Jimmy Boots 153/132 Gun 132 1864 136 Lonestar 115 Constantine Sword 124 Verboten 122 Dark Secrets 100 Plague of Lies 160 Tattoo Vampire Cities (xtend) 92 Chng Wrld Henry 171 All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what they mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? they then played Dominance and Submission, then The Red and The Black (both as requested by the audience) All of the new songs sounded really ace and I can't wait to hear the new album. The band were obviously really excited about the newies and it was almost like seeing a new band promoting their first album. They kept sort of apologising to the crowd about the inclusion of so many songs which we hadn't heard - but it was just great to see them live at last. .......Charlie. (CtGB). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:25 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > Fresh from the London gig! > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Andy Gilham > > > Date: 12 February 2005 09:02:35 GMT > > > Subject: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > > > > > http://www.andygilham.com/tbs.htm > > > > > > Rock'n'roll! > > > > > > -- Andy > > Does anyone have a setlist? > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Feb 13 22:17:04 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:17:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:52:06 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >It depends just how pioneering you mean Even more pioneering: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 and going right back to 1929: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/trautonium/ Nick From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sun Feb 13 22:49:30 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:49:30 +0100 Subject: Brain: London In-Reply-To: <001501c510b2$39761430$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On 12/02/2005 4.21, Chas wrote: > How ace was that? please, don't say that 8( > - 3:15pm, just got home, train and ?35 cab fare, but who > cares? > I just spent nearly 1 hour hanging w/ Deb, Al and Ross the f*****g boss. > D&S, tR&tB as encores please, don't say that 8( > What a cool night. What fantastic people, they really wanted to spend time > hanging out with everyone. please, don't say that 8( > It was really great to see every one too- Andy, Tim, Carl etc . argh! I envy you all 8( > I got a totally autographed set list - I will frame it!! > Hopefully I have photos and they will eventually appear somewhere (after my > holiday). please, do that 8) > All of tBS - thanks for a great night, UK at last I feel so sad and upset I missed the show. I was in London for work two weeks ago, but then I had to be back in Italy ... for work! 8( Hopefully one day I'll be lucky enough see them play live. -- ID (of Retribution) "Some things are worth fighting for" (Judas Priest) From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Mon Feb 14 02:52:39 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:52:39 -0700 Subject: ELP Message-ID: >>>Just some legal ones - Pictures, Live at Albert Hall and Inside ELP. >>>Great DVD?s all of them :-))). What an band! Seen 'em all. You are right. All great. >>>I?ve also read Keith Emerson?s book recently and I really enjoyed it. >>>Maybe the best autobiography I?ve read. Thanks for the tip on that. I'll have to check it out. I saw him and his band last fall. Pretty good show. His guitarist/vocalist, Dave Kilminister, was quite impressive. The guy was doubling a lot of Keith's keyboard lines on the guitar, and he sang the heck out of the songs. They played all ELP songs, mostly old ones. Happy Valentine's Day everyone! Brad From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 14 03:20:06 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:20:06 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <004501c5121c$5131a740$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: On 13 Feb 2005, at 22:35, Chas wrote: > All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo > Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what > they > mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? BPM. I'm thinking. It seemed like Al was checking/poking a little metronomish thing he had propped up next to him after most of the songs. Haven't thought about the relative BPM of the tracks in context, but they don't seem implausible to me ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 14 06:36:35 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:36:35 GMT Subject: HW: Xmas single. In-Reply-To: GutterCat@AOL.COM's message of Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:44:03 EST Message-ID: GutterCat at AOL.COM writes: > Couldn't make it to any of the other gigs unfortunately. The venues > weren't ideal though. I would have gone to Liverpool the night after, > but an obscure venue in Birkenhead??? We don't all have starcruisers. > Some of us rely on public transport. It was fairly easy to get to the Birkenhead gig from Lime Street. Just get on the Wirral Line for 3 stops and the gig was easily walkable (with a large pack) from the Birkenhead station. I did get lost in Birkenhead afterwards, being unable to find the relatives I was staying with, but another Hawkfan came to the rescue. FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Feb 14 10:02:34 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:02:34 EST Subject: ELP Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/2005 2:54:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM writes: His guitarist/vocalist, Dave Kilminister, was quite impressive. Would that be Lemmy's kid? bill From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Mon Feb 14 12:36:28 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:36:28 -0700 Subject: ELP Message-ID: >>>Would that be Lemmy's kid? I don't think so. He was kind of cute and played a pink Telecaster. : ) Brad From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Feb 14 13:20:28 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:20:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: new SLOTERDIJK pics & video clips from 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse' 11/13/04 Message-ID: Greetings friends, I thought some of you might be interested in viewing some new digital pics and video clips from the last SLOTERDIJK live show at 'The Cosmic Coffeehouse', 11/13/05. There are also some excellent shots and clips of 'Scattered Planets', who we had the pleasure of sharing the bill with that evening. visit: http://www.cosmiccofeehouse.org All the very best...Mike Burro http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk http://www.freewebs.com/oebs From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Mon Feb 14 13:25:52 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:25:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: new SLOTERDIJK pics & video URL CORRECTION sorry!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.cosmiccoffeehouse.org >From: "Burro Mike" >To: hawkwind at yahoogroups.com, spacerock at yahoogroups.com, >spacerockers at yahoogroups.com, sloterdijk-pod at yahoogroups.com, >BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET, BCRich78 at comcast.net, amadden at brad-ex.co.uk, >barger58 at comcast.net, bbarnett at jhu.edu, beeshi at aol.com, bimotarich at aol.com, >cratylus7 at msn.com, dodger at mybasement.net, elgre at hotmail.com, >geraldwhitworth at hotmail.com, hawkwind at nifty.com, geospy at otenet.gr, >ghlase at yahoo.com, GildedSplinter at hotmail.com, headsmithuk at yahoo.co.uk, >jessingram57 at hotmail.com, kbolty at aol.com, kevsmithsplace at btopenworld.com, >kevin.com at btinternet.com, lupeo at comcast.net, mdusky at noos.fr, >mgandalfm at aol.com, p-addison at t-online.de, pete at os.net.co.uk, >rbose at talk21.com, mikereedinusa at yahoo.com, rhanes at gate.net, >RKotlarek at aol.com, rocktown at aol.com, Spiralgalaxy1988 at aol.com, >stellamarz at msn.com, steltman at uiuc.edu, ss7713 at msn.com, >swheately at flowgaurd.com, systememinuit at yahoo.com, js3619 at acmenet.net, >voorhees at ntlworld.com, warrendavis180 at msn.com, bbarnett at jhsph.edu, >XbogswampX at aol.com >CC: sloterdijk at msn.com >Subject: OFF: new SLOTERDIJK pics & video clips from 'The Cosmic >Coffeehouse' 11/13/04 >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:20:28 +0000 > >Greetings friends, >I thought some of you might be interested in viewing some new digital pics >and video clips from the last SLOTERDIJK live show at 'The Cosmic >Coffeehouse', 11/13/05. There are also some excellent shots and clips of >'Scattered Planets', who we had the pleasure of sharing the bill with that >evening. > >visit: http://www.cosmiccofeehouse.org > >All the very best...Mike Burro >http://www.soundclick.com/sloterdijk >http://www.garageband.com/artist/sloterdijk >http://www.freewebs.com/oebs > From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Mon Feb 14 15:08:23 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:08:23 -0000 Subject: Fw: BOC-L response Message-ID: I got this response - looks like we were right about the bpm!! .......Charlie. (CtGB). ----- Original Message ----- From: "MacDigital" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: BOC-L response > > All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo > Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what they > mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? > > Couldn't respond on the actual list - it won't let me - sez I'm not > authorised to use my own email address > > Anyway, I asked Albert what the numbers were and he confirmed they WERE the > "tempos" for the songs - you would have thought they'd have known them from > their practice sessions... > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ralph > From alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 14 15:54:40 2005 From: alastair_sumner at HOTMAIL.COM (Alastair Sumner) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: New film 'bout Bob "Mini" Moog + a book to read Message-ID: Interesting links. The only person I'd heard of before is Pierre Schaeffer. I'm gonna look into all these guys. Morton Subotnick has got a really nice website http://www.mortonsubotnick.com with alot of cool graphics of old computers and electronics etc. On a more modern note, check this stuff out - http://www.micromusic.net. There is a whole load of people making lo-fi music using old 8-bit computers. Turn your sound up when you visit the website. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:17:04 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:52:06 -0500, Nick Medford >wrote: > > >>It depends just how pioneering you mean > >Even more pioneering: > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 > >and going right back to 1929: > >http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/trautonium/ > >Nick From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Mon Feb 14 18:16:37 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:16:37 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures Message-ID: Just had a look at the bocfans.com thing below - loads of great pics including people I now recognise from the gig but had no idea who they were. I had forgotten to mention the drum solo and Godzilla bit - but there you are - I had had a few. I have also discovered that they also have a Charles the Grinning Boy registered on their site - must be my evil clone twin - although he comes from MA (and only registered this year) so we are unlikely to meet in a mstter/antimatter explosion. Must get some rest. Charlie. (CtGB). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:31 AM Subject: Re: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > I totally agree. It was a great gig. There are loads more pictures posted > over on BOCFANS, including some of mine. > http://www.bocfans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=806&st=140 > The pics start on Page 8. > > The thing that struck me was what great people The Brain Surgeons are. > Plenty of time to talk to the fans and they all seemed really happy to be > there playing, particularly Deborah who was smiling all night. I can't wait > for the new album too. It's going to rock. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Chas > Sent: 13 February 2005 22:35 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > Set list: > It Lives!134 > Jimmy Boots 153/132 > Gun 132 > 1864 136 > Lonestar 115 > Constantine Sword 124 > Verboten 122 > Dark Secrets 100 > Plague of Lies 160 > Tattoo Vampire > Cities (xtend) 92 > Chng Wrld Henry 171 > > All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo > Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what they > mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? > > they then played Dominance and Submission, then The Red and The Black (both > as requested by the audience) > > All of the new songs sounded really ace and I can't wait to hear the new > album. The band were obviously really excited about the newies and it was > almost like seeing a new band promoting their first album. They kept sort of > apologising to the crowd about the inclusion of so many songs which we > hadn't heard - but it was just great to see them live at last. > > ......Charlie. (CtGB). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:46 PM > Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 15:25 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > > > Fresh from the London gig! > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: Andy Gilham > > > > Date: 12 February 2005 09:02:35 GMT > > > > Subject: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures > > > > > > > > http://www.andygilham.com/tbs.htm > > > > > > > > Rock'n'roll! > > > > > > > > -- Andy > > > > Does anyone have a setlist? > > > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From des at SUPERLINK.NET Tue Feb 15 00:55:31 2005 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:55:31 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: Drum Machines Message-ID: Hi, Picked up an Alesis SR-16 drum machine at a flea market and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to what to play it through. It sounds good with headphones, but what kind of an amp is best? I was thinking a keyboard amp, or do they make a drum machine amp? I don't need anything serious, actually the cheaper the better ($40 range?) it's just for use when I pretend to play guitar and annoying my wife and the neighbors. Thanks. --Eric From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 16 11:41:51 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:41:51 GMT Subject: Paging Mr. Swann... Message-ID: Looks like an original of that US tour video you were after has appeared on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42445& item=3873238863&rd=1 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 16 12:10:40 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:10:40 GMT Subject: amazing ebay prices Message-ID: There are some very high prices on Ebay today. 101 Dollars for a Warrior box set and high prices for Quark, PXR5 and Sonic Attack. Is this normal or some kind of hyping exercise? FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Feb 17 14:25:19 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:25:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: test From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Thu Feb 17 16:17:34 2005 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Chas) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:17:34 -0000 Subject: test Message-ID: I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out there? ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: OFF: test > test From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Feb 17 16:33:31 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:33:31 +0100 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <015401c51536$1afbbd10$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: It seems to work Perhaps most of the folks out there are a bit lazy these days.... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chas Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:18 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: test I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out there? ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: OFF: test > test From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Feb 17 16:39:28 2005 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:39:28 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: I'm here......in cold, cold Los Angeles. At work, listening to Hall of the Mountain Grill!! Dan -----Original Message----- From: bernhard.pospiech [mailto:bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:34 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: test It seems to work Perhaps most of the folks out there are a bit lazy these days.... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chas Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:18 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: test I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out there? ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: OFF: test > test From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Feb 17 16:43:25 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:43:25 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, I'm not lazy. Just not into tests. :-) I usually just delete them. Cheers Stephe ---- "bernhard.pospiech" wrote: > It seems to work > Perhaps most of the folks out there are a bit lazy these days.... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Chas > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:18 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: test > > > I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on > 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few > months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then > everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out > there? > > ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM > Subject: OFF: test > > > > test From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Feb 17 17:11:22 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:11:22 -0600 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <001201c51538$5404a6b0$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: Too many chores to be Lazy today ;-) And I'm busy catching up with all my other music fandoms at the minute ;-) Rich From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Thu Feb 17 17:16:08 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:16:08 -0600 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <30290485.1108676605928.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Not even Acid Tests Stephe? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:43 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: test Hi Bernhard, I'm not lazy. Just not into tests. :-) I usually just delete them. Cheers Stephe ---- "bernhard.pospiech" wrote: > It seems to work > Perhaps most of the folks out there are a bit lazy these days.... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Chas > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:18 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: test > > > I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on > 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few > months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then > everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out > there? > > ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM > Subject: OFF: test > > > > test From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Feb 17 17:27:31 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:27:31 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: Well, I don't do much of that anymore, but I wouldn't need to be convinced. Cheers Stephe ---- Rich wrote: > Not even Acid Tests Stephe? > > ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Lindas > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:43 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: test > > > Hi Bernhard, I'm not lazy. Just not into tests. :-) I usually just delete them. Cheers Stephe > > ---- "bernhard.pospiech" wrote: > > It seems to work > > Perhaps most of the folks out there are a bit lazy these days.... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On Behalf Of Chas > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:18 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: Re: test > > > > > > I was wondering too; nothing has come through to me today, only one on > > 16th and nothing on 15th. I hadn't posted more than 2 in the last few > > months and then several wrt tBS London gig in a few days and then > > everyone else decides to stop - I must be a jinx - is there anybody out > > there? > > > > ......Charlie (Charles the Grinning Boy) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bernhard.pospiech" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM > > Subject: OFF: test > > > > > > > test From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Feb 17 17:52:59 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:52:59 -0800 Subject: BOC rhythmatists Message-ID: Here's something to chew on. Who are the new members in BOC? There's nothing on their website mentioning them. I read that Danny Miranda will be touring with Queen. Strange that John Deacon isn't going along. If I'm right Rick Downey was a drum roadie, then drummer and then tour manager. Why did he quit? Gary Still needing to buy the Stalk-Forest Group CD. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Feb 17 18:23:24 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:23:24 -0500 Subject: BOC rhythmatists Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:52:59 -0800, gary shindler wrote: >Here's something to chew on. Who are the new members >in BOC? There's nothing on their website mentioning >them. >I read that Danny Miranda will be touring with Queen. >Strange that John Deacon isn't going along. I thought he was playing in the Queen musical ("We Will Rock You") in Las Vegas, not actually playing with Queen (interestingly, the cousin of one of my bandmates is singing in the musical). >Gary >Still needing to buy the Stalk-Forest Group CD. Yep, you do! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Feb 17 18:51:05 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:51:05 -0500 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 18:23 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:52:59 -0800, gary shindler > wrote: > > >Here's something to chew on. Who are the new members > >in BOC? There's nothing on their website mentioning > >them. > >I read that Danny Miranda will be touring with Queen. > >Strange that John Deacon isn't going along. > > I thought he was playing in the Queen musical ("We Will Rock You") in Las > Vegas, not actually playing with Queen (interestingly, the cousin of one > of my bandmates is singing in the musical). I believe he is doing both. I saw something posted on another list that Danny is listed as playing on the upcoming Queen tour---the one featuring Brian May, Roger Taylor and *Paul Rodgers* as the main lineup. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Feb 17 19:11:24 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:11:24 -0000 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <1108684265.85251.88.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: Danny Miranda has already gone to the UK to start full rehearsals with Queen and Paul Rodgers. His first gig will be in April in South Africa, followed by a European tour. I met Danny last year during his UK tour with BOC and I've got to say that this could not happen to a nicer guy. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: 17 February 2005 23:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC rhythmatists On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 18:23 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:52:59 -0800, gary shindler > wrote: > > >Here's something to chew on. Who are the new members > >in BOC? There's nothing on their website mentioning > >them. > >I read that Danny Miranda will be touring with Queen. > >Strange that John Deacon isn't going along. > > I thought he was playing in the Queen musical ("We Will Rock You") in Las > Vegas, not actually playing with Queen (interestingly, the cousin of one > of my bandmates is singing in the musical). I believe he is doing both. I saw something posted on another list that Danny is listed as playing on the upcoming Queen tour---the one featuring Brian May, Roger Taylor and *Paul Rodgers* as the main lineup. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Thu Feb 17 19:37:19 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:37:19 +0100 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <20050217225300.69552.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 17/02/2005 23.52, gary shindler wrote: > Here's something to chew on. Who are the new members > in BOC? same question I asked myself few weeks ago. Some information I found: - Richie Castellano (bass), audio engineer. - Jules Radino (drums), one of Miceli's students. Here an interview with Bloom, by Popoff: http://www.bravewords.com/features.html?id=1000324 I hope they are still in the band, otherwise I need to update 8) -- ID of Retribution "Some things are worth fighting for" (JP) From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Thu Feb 17 21:37:21 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:37:21 -0700 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <000201c5154e$623610f0$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: > Danny Miranda has already gone to the UK to start full rehearsals with > Queen > and Paul Rodgers. His first gig will be in April in South Africa, > followed > by a European tour. I met Danny last year during his UK tour with BOC and > I've got to say that this could not happen to a nicer guy. He left BOC for this? What was he thinking? Actually, sounds like a pretty cool gig. A very nice feather in his bandana. Both the Queen guys and Paul Rodgers are rock legends and seem like pretty cool people. For his sake, I hope they play "Keep Yourself Alive", great song to play on bass. One of my other favorite Queen songs to play is "It's Late", but I don't know if that ever made it into their live repetoire. I'm still disappointed John Swartz or I was not asked to replace him in BOC. : ) Brad From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Feb 18 03:05:04 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:05:04 -0000 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <4357.155.100.151.27.1108694241.squirrel@mail.wirelessbeehive.com> Message-ID: John Swatrz aka the BOCFAQMAN? I didn't know he was a musician too! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Brad Dahl Sent: 18 February 2005 02:37 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC rhythmatists > Danny Miranda has already gone to the UK to start full rehearsals with > Queen > and Paul Rodgers. His first gig will be in April in South Africa, > followed > by a European tour. I met Danny last year during his UK tour with BOC and > I've got to say that this could not happen to a nicer guy. He left BOC for this? What was he thinking? Actually, sounds like a pretty cool gig. A very nice feather in his bandana. Both the Queen guys and Paul Rodgers are rock legends and seem like pretty cool people. For his sake, I hope they play "Keep Yourself Alive", great song to play on bass. One of my other favorite Queen songs to play is "It's Late", but I don't know if that ever made it into their live repetoire. I'm still disappointed John Swartz or I was not asked to replace him in BOC. : ) Brad From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 03:48:07 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:48:07 +0000 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <000901c51590$8d851430$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2005 08:05, Tony wrote: > John Swatrz aka the BOCFAQMAN? I didn't know he was a musician too! Bass player! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From gg at SIO4.COM Fri Feb 18 03:58:29 2005 From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:58:29 +0100 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <7E0746BA722BC94FA8F48FAB0DF01B6A8466A2@ntguslaexs1.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > I'm here......in cold, cold Los Angeles. At work, listening to Hall of the > Mountain Grill!! BTW, where the Mountain Grill is? I'll be (for the first time) in London in june for the Motorhead fest and I'd like to see much as I can in 2 o 3 days! There are some place I can't avoid to visit (musically speaking)? thanks! gg From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 04:44:48 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:44:48 +0000 Subject: Off Topic: Drum Machines In-Reply-To: <826682749.20050215005531@superlink.net> Message-ID: On 15-Feb-2005 05:55, E F wrote: > Picked up an Alesis SR-16 drum machine at a flea market and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to what to play it through. > It sounds good with headphones, but what kind of an amp is best? > I was thinking a keyboard amp, or do they make a drum machine amp? Keyboard amps are pretty flat, sonically speaking, and therefore probably good for amping a drum machine. I would think a little bass amp would also probably do the job (and perhaps be easier to find in a small, cheap version!). Speaking of drum machines, I've been trying to crash teach myself something about rock'n'roll drumming (and percussion in general) for the purposes of programming drums (if there are any other OS X users out there, check out the DoggieBox drum machine app -- it's excellent :) Do we have any drummers here (I mean, I know we have Al, for one, but I mean, do we have more? :) I'm looking for tips to "real-up" those fills and such, get that perfect blanga beat, figure out how to imitate double kick drum stuff ... I've bought myself a few drumming books and been listening carefully but, you know, there's always more to help you learn! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 04:50:36 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:50:36 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <1108230390.32574.5.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) Man, I sure would buy a tBS live album, though! They just totally smoked. A pro-shot DVD would be even better :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Feb 18 06:24:00 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:24:00 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <4215BA6C.2020802@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Have you seen Barn Dance, the Brain Surgeons DVD? It's official even though it's not particulary "pro-shot". Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 18 February 2005 09:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) Man, I sure would buy a tBS live album, though! They just totally smoked. A pro-shot DVD would be even better :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 06:45:28 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:45:28 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <000001c515ac$583f9f90$0a00000a@studybox> Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2005 11:24, Tony wrote: > Have you seen Barn Dance, the Brain Surgeons DVD? It's official even though > it's not particulary "pro-shot". Yeah, I dug _Barn Dance_ -- especially the performance of "Death Valley Nights", actually, which suddenly reminded me how much I liked that song -- but it did make me wish for a "pro-shot" concert DVD :) Especially with Ross on board now! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 18 06:54:37 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:54:37 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: <004501c5121c$5131a740$a9fa0750@ODLaptop> Message-ID: Dear All, sorry to be late off the mark with this, work pressure and so on. This was, it has to be said, a top gig. I want to go to more gigs at the 100 Club (and happily Nikwind are playing there soon), they have seats and tables for them as wants them and real beer. Anyway. We arrived, and there was this hard-core of mostly silent people who'd got all the seats, which was faintly worrying; we think these must have been the Otway fans. They made it quite difficult for Ed Tudor-Pole, first up, playing solo acoustic, to get a reaction, because they just didn't care and we didn't really know him. He said he'd never played bottom of a bill before, which I thought was a bit on the arrogant side, but then this man is Richard O'Brien's vicar on earth, isn't he, so that's to be expected. Either way, he was working very hard to rouse the audience but they didn't want to be roused and his actual material wasn't very memorable. Sherman said she'd like to see him with a full band, but I have to admit I thought he badly needed one. The same could not be said for John Otway. I'm not sure what he does need: some would suggest `shame', perhaps, but that would be a terrible pity; he might stop. The trouble is, it's very hard to review his performance without giving away most of the gags. I can say I shall never hear The Sweet's `Blockbuster' in the same way (for a start, he made it possible to hear the words, and yet that's so inadequate a description), that I have never seen a step-ladder used by a musician in this way before and that one track in particular more or less justified the invention of the drum machine, though it did little for the reputation of the theremin. He can't sing, and I've still no idea whether he can play or not, but what's that got to do with it? Clearly the man is a legend in his own lifetime for a reason, and I haven't laughed so much at a suppsedly musical performance since I first saw Hacksaw, but anyway. I can't tell you any more, it'd spoil it, you'll have to go and see him for yourself. I don't know who put this bill together or whether any of Otway's fans stayed for the Brain Surgeons and enjoyed it, but it must have helped get the crowd in and I think John Otway probably counts as a quintessential English tourist attraction for any transatlantic visitors :-) By now there had been Brain Surgeons wandering about for a while. I managed to catch Al briefly and send Tania Ruiz's apologies (she was laid low with `endometrial pain'), but none of us dared approach Deb :-) And in fact it did seem as if jetlag might not have made facing the public too easy for her, later on she was emphasising how out of it they all were though if so it seemed to have hit her a bit harder than the others. So yeah: I did try and take a set-list but so much of the set was new songs that I gave up :-) Happily Charlie's superior memorabilia- snaffling skills have served us: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Chas wrote: > Set list: > It Lives!134 > Jimmy Boots 153/132 > Gun 132 > 1864 136 > Lonestar 115 > Constantine Sword 124 > Verboten 122 > Dark Secrets 100 > Plague of Lies 160 > Tattoo Vampire > Cities (xtend) 92 > Chng Wrld Henry 171 > > All of the above are as written on the set list - all (except Tattoo > Vampire) have numbers written after the as above - I'm not sure what they > mean unless they are the bpm - Albert? > > they then played Dominance and Submission, then The Red and The Black (both > as requested by the audience) I did dance a lot. This apparently rather annoyed a guy behind me who opined to those with me that he `hadn't come to get a faceful of hair' but well, what can I do, he could have stood back a bit. You couldn't not dance, anyway, well, I couldn't, though lots of people did seem to be fairly rooted--I figured they were the Otway fans not really knowing what had hit them. Rhythm section up this performance, everything starting from the drums. I've known Al was a fantastic drummer ever since I got my first BOC cassette but it's nice to actually *see*, and to find that yes, he is *still* a fabulous drummer, and also clearly so so into his playing. Everyone in the band was, though, but Al, as I saw it anyway, was the only one really going over the top. Ross, particularly, is the kind of guitarist whose skill lies not so much in excess as in precision; everything he played was *right* on the mark, *just* right, and I don't know about you but this left me more or less ignoring his performance as it satisfyingly fell into exactly the right places without disturbing my audio envelope while I concentrated in the drumming. David's bass also faultless and tasteful, his beret clearly making him the `artist' of the group. Deb, maybe, alone, seemed as if the plane journey had hit her too hard; I don't know how she normally is live of course, but she seemed oddly quiet, both in stage presence and voice. I was expecting her to be front more, but in fact Ross was given most of the stage emphasis, and though if anyone was fronting it was Deb, Al did most of the talking and the band thus seemed oddly without focus other than the drums. Which, you know, was fine with me. The new stuff all seemed well up to standard: `Dark Secret' especially sounds as if it might be the best Helen Wheels track B?C or tBS ever put to master tape and I'm lookng forward to many of the others. One thing that particularly struck me was Al's introduction to what I guess must have been `1864', a song about a Civil War battle in which his (great?)-grandfather got the Congressional Medal of Honor. The evident choked-up pride with which he said this drove it home, if we'd needed telling, that the power behind this band is a man who still feels, who's still alive and still has something to say. Sherman said that it felt more like a new band than the dinosaur performance she'd been half-afraid of witnessing and I agreed; we're, what, six albums down? and this band is still bursting to say its piece, it is the keen kid in the classroom who knows the answer, waving his arm to get the teacher to pick him. Let's hope someone is listening. `It Lives!' Yours all, Jon ObCassette: Pink Floyd - _Ummagumma_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 07:13:53 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:13:53 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2005 11:54, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I think John Otway probably counts as a > quintessential English tourist attraction for any transatlantic visitors > :-) Perhaps if we want to destroy English tourism forever :) Apologies to die hard fans, but as a person who had never encountered John Otway before, he's planted himself firmly in my Top 3 Worst Opening Acts of All Time list. Whatever you need to appreciate 'im, I clearly ain't got it! > I've known Al was a fantastic drummer ever since I got my first > BOC cassette but it's nice to actually *see*, and to find that yes, he is > *still* a fabulous drummer, and also clearly so so into his playing. > Everyone in the band was, though, but Al, as I saw it anyway, was the only > one really going over the top. Ross, particularly, is the kind of > guitarist whose skill lies not so much in excess as in precision; > everything he played was *right* on the mark, *just* right > [...] > the power behind this band is a man who still feels, > who's still alive and still has something to say. Sherman said that it > felt more like a new band than the dinosaur performance she'd been > half-afraid of witnessing and I agreed; we're, what, six albums down? and > this band is still bursting to say its piece, it is the keen kid in the > classroom who knows the answer, waving his arm to get the teacher to pick > him. Let's hope someone is listening. `It Lives!' Much though I know it's wrong to shout "me too", Jon's comments here are right on the mark. Al has always been among the few drummers that have made me really sit up and _listen_ to what they're doing, and come to think of it, perhaps he's the only one of those I've actually seen live. And with Al, as with Ross, everything played just felt like it was being put in exactly the right place and the right time. I don't know if it felt like that on stage, but it sure felt like that where I was standing. Likewise, the quality and energy of the material and performance were just top notch, top notch .... Whoever still thinks rock'n'roll is only a young person's game can think again! Cheers, Carl ps - after all, didn't Motorhead just win a grammy? Isn't Lemmy gonna be 60 this year? -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Fri Feb 18 07:21:13 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:21:13 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures Message-ID: >>> cea at CARLAZ.COM 2/18/2005 4:50:36 AM >>> On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) In the past, Al has said he doesn't mind tape trading as long as it's live stuff that isn't commercially available, and as long as no $ changes hands. But that was a LONG time ago. I'd want to double check with him to see if that's still group policy... theo From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Feb 18 08:12:13 2005 From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:12:13 +0100 Subject: Mountain Grill Message-ID: PF asked... >BTW, where the Mountain Grill is? 275 Portobello Rd., Ladbroke Grove. Just next to the A40 overpass (under which HW used to play, I believe)...there's often a little flea market there on weekends (at least in summer), it seems. Look for the inevitable Che Guevara posters (or Che Guava, as he is now known as, according to the Onion). :) Of course, this area is teeming with such markets, for antiques, imported foods and stuff...and well, just general second-hand crap of all sorts. The place has changed names on occasion...it was George's Fish Bar when I first stopped by in 1986. I think it's still called "George's" but now also uses the Mountain Grill in the name again. ?? But don't expect too much...it's not much of a historical landmark (though it should be). Very small, kinda rundown (unless somebody's put some money into it) and not exactly fine dining. :) Update: A quick websearch tells me the following...it's no longer George's, but now rather Babes 'n' Burgers...what a peculiar name. Oh well, perhaps Stacia is the inspiration for the 'babe' part. :) http://www.babesnburgers.com/ There's a Ladbroke Grove tube station, so you can get close to the area easily by just taking the underground to it. Walk east on Lancaster Road to reach Portobello. Does anybody know where the school playground with the jungle gym is? (from the photo collage of the band on the insert record sleeve)...I've expected to run into it (the playground, not necessarily the jungle gym itself, which has probably rusted away to nothing by now) while walking around the LG area, but not so far. >There are some place I can't avoid to visit (musically speaking)? If you take a (surface) train into Victoria station from the south (or vice versa), you'll go right past the old Battersea power station (unless it's fallen over already), which is famous from the Pink Floyd Animals cover art, among other things I imagine. I remember my first time on this rail line, being half asleep and finally waking up to see this oddly familiar thing filling the whole window of the train car...I had to blink and rub my eyes for a minute to make sure I wasn't still dreaming. Have fun...Grakkl (FAA) From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Feb 18 09:02:03 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:03 -0500 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <4215ABC7.5060302@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : > On 18-Feb-2005 08:05, Tony wrote: > > John Swatrz aka the BOCFAQMAN? I didn't know he was a musician too! > > Bass player! Ah, so he's *not* a musician, then? ;-) -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "We'll wait in stone circles `til the force comes through - lines joint in faint discord and the stormwatch brews - a concert of kings as the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer whispered" Dun Ringill - JETHRO TULL From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 09:13:20 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:13:20 +0000 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <20050218090203.xz40g44ccwwgwsso@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 18 Feb 2005, at 14:02, David Kuznick wrote: > Quoting Carl Edlund Anderson : >> On 18-Feb-2005 08:05, Tony wrote: >>> John Swatrz aka the BOCFAQMAN? I didn't know he was a musician too! >> >> Bass player! > > Ah, so he's *not* a musician, then? ;-) I was specifying ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 18 10:10:01 2005 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:10:01 -0500 Subject: BOC rhythmatists In-Reply-To: <200502181000.j1I85D2W019968@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>> From: >>>>>>>>>>> Brad Dahl >>>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>>> Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:37:21 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I'm still disappointed John Swartz or I was not asked to replace him in >>>>>>>>>>>BOC. : ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Brad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: >>>>>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:05:04 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>John Swatrz aka the BOCFAQMAN? I didn't know he was a musician too! >>>>>>>>>>> From: >>>>>>>>>>> Carl Edlund Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:48:07 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bass player! Thanks all for the mention. Yes, I play a little bass (meaning I can play bass somewhat - the bass itself is full-sized), although I could never do justice to the legacy of Joe Bouchard, Jon Rodgers, Greg Smith, and Danny Miranda. Still, my brother Joe is a decent drummer, so BOC missed a golden opportunity to return to set of brothers for their rhythm section... ;-) John PS: I have two major shining public moments in my bass guitar playing career. The first came at my sister's wedding when I (after a few too many beers) "borrowed" the bass guitar from the band playing at the reception and jammed along. The second came last fall when, for my wife's 40th birthday, I accompanied a guitarist on bass and sang Van Morrisson's "Brown Eyed Girl" to my wife. I can't tell you how tempting it was to replace the bass solo with the riff to "Godzilla"... ;-) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 18 10:18:13 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:18:13 GMT Subject: Space Chase trivia Message-ID: Just discovered that the working title for the TV series "Farscape" in the US was "Space Chase". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 18 10:44:09 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:44:09 GMT Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay Message-ID: Seems my last post didn't get through? There have been some astonishing prices for Warrior, Quark and PXR5 on Ebay. Are these normal or is it some sort of hype? FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Feb 18 10:47:36 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:47:36 +0100 Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay In-Reply-To: <200502181544.j1IFi9Ze000789@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes. These prices are "normal" What a big shame !! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:44 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay Seems my last post didn't get through? There have been some astonishing prices for Warrior, Quark and PXR5 on Ebay. Are these normal or is it some sort of hype? FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 10:58:25 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:58:25 +0000 Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000e01c515d1$2b996af0$02fea8c0@pospiech5> Message-ID: Gee, I should have hung on to the packaging that came with with my Warrior CD box! Then, on the other hand, I don't actually _want_ to get rid of my Warrior CD :) I wonder who has the rights -- and the originals of the Griffin release? On the other hand, I suppose whoever has the rights could just dupe the Griffin release and sell that! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 18 11:08:58 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:08:58 GMT Subject: paging Mister Swann Message-ID: Dunno if that message also got lost in the hiatus, but it might be worth getting word to Steve Swann that two originals of that USA Tour 89 VHS tape he was after are being sold on Ebay. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Feb 18 11:12:56 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: <42160549.60509@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2005 15:10, John Swartz wrote: > PS: I have two major shining public moments in my bass guitar playing > career. Speaking of shining public moments -- or moments, anyway -- the little "group of guys from my office" (named, for obscure and not very clever reasons, "The Hibachi Dealers") is playing its first gig to feature predominantly original material at The Man on the Moon pub, Norfolk St., Cambridge, UK on Wednesday, 23 February. I realize no one could actually make it to such a gig, even if some kind of temporary insanity made them want to, but hey :) As Jon Jarrett can attest (having been at a previous gig where the set was mostly covers), we aren't very good -- but we are pretty loud :) We're ye olde vox/gtr/bass/drums line-up (I'm playing bass here: 1970s Rick 4001, natch! :) and I guess the originals fall into that sort of "weird heavy rock" category. We do have one massive rip-off space-rock piece (complete with swooshy noises formed by twiddling the dials on an analogue delay pedal :) Actually, there's audio and (partial) video of us playing that one linked from: More gigs in Cambridge, UK (and, possibly, environs) are percolating around for the coming months -- assuming we survive next week's show ;) Cheers, Carl ps - man, how uncool is that, to play with guys from yer office?! Ah well, screw it: making loud noises is fun ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Feb 18 11:41:00 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:41:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: <42161408.8010501@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 04:12:56PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > ps - man, how uncool is that, to play [in a band] with guys from yer office?! Ah > well, screw it: making loud noises is fun ... :) It just says you work with cool people... Not something to complain about! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Feb 18 11:56:19 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:56:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: <20050218164100.GB6202@telepres.com> Message-ID: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 04:12:56PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> ps - man, how uncool is that, to play [in a band] with guys from yer >> office?! Ah >> well, screw it: making loud noises is fun ... :) > Eric Siegerman replied: > It just says you work with cool people... Not something to > complain about! There have actually been battles of the bands between groups composed entirely of U.S. advertising agency employees. I believe the winner last year was "Ironic Trucker Hat" from Crispin Porter + Bogusky in Miami. Brian --- Brian Halligan blackblade at bhalligan.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Feb 18 14:48:29 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:48:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:56 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >ps - man, how uncool is that, to play with guys from yer office?! Ah >well, screw it: making loud noises is fun ... :) I certainly can't talk, since when I was playing with Mushroom, their guitarist Erik Pearson (no relation!) was working in my office ... (and one of my current co-workers is/was in an SF band that I was a huge fan of in the early 90s) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Feb 18 18:46:55 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:46:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:56:19AM -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: > There have actually been battles of the bands between groups composed > entirely of U.S. advertising agency employees. Yeah, I think I read about that. There was an article in the paper here a while ago about the whole suit/rocker thing. Oh, that was it -- a Canadian version of that contest, held in Ottawa I think. I'm kinda a member of that club too, though my contribution's visual, not aural; I'm just lucky enough to have avoided the suit part for most of my career :-) Come to think of it, Dave and Al(i|an) and Richard play in a band with guys from the office too :-) They even based an album title on it... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Feb 18 21:27:23 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:27:23 -0500 Subject: Gov't Mule European tour In-Reply-To: <4215BA6C.2020802@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:50 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still > seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen > still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a > marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) Speaking of bands that allow taping, Gov't Mule are to embark on their first ever European tour in April (okay, technically it kicks off at the end of March:). Taking a cue from the trailblazing Brain Surgeons, :-) they will be playing shows in several European countries, including a show in London. Some shows are already on sale, so if you want to see them, be sure to jump on the tickets. The Hamburg show quickly sold out, necessitating a move to a larger venue, which bodes well for the band. (Hopefully, if the tour is successful, they'll come back for another!) Here are the dates from www.mule.net (which also contains links to buy tickets): Thur 3/31 Aqualung Madrid, Spain Fri 4/1 Azkena Vitoria, Spain Sat 4/2 Apolo Barcelona, Spain Mon 4/4 Alcatraz Milan, Italy Wed 4/6 La Boule Noire Paris, France Thur 4/7 Mean Fiddler London, England Fri 4/8 Milkweg Amsterdam, Netherlands Sun 4/10 Grosse Freiheit Hamburg, Germany Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Feb 18 21:34:12 2005 From: michael_1968 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Alien Dream) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:04:12 +1030 Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay Message-ID: I haven't looked thru ebay for some time but I recall those albums have always been hard to aquire and extremely expensive in the end if you manage to win the item. http://www.alien-dream.com http://www.soundclick.com/pro/?BandID=136265 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:14 AM Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay > Seems my last post didn't get through? > > There have been some astonishing prices for Warrior, Quark and PXR5 on > Ebay. Are these normal or is it some sort of hype? > > FoFP > From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Fri Feb 18 22:01:44 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:01:44 -0800 Subject: Gov't Mule European tour In-Reply-To: <1108780043.50957.70.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: They've never toured Europe? I can't believe that. As popular or as well regarded as they are in the states I find that bizarre. Paul Mather wrote:On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:50 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still > seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen > still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a > marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) Speaking of bands that allow taping, Gov't Mule are to embark on their first ever European tour in April (okay, technically it kicks off at the end of March:). Taking a cue from the trailblazing Brain Surgeons, :-) they will be playing shows in several European countries, including a show in London. Some shows are already on sale, so if you want to see them, be sure to jump on the tickets. The Hamburg show quickly sold out, necessitating a move to a larger venue, which bodes well for the band. (Hopefully, if the tour is successful, they'll come back for another!) Here are the dates from www.mule.net (which also contains links to buy tickets): Thur 3/31 Aqualung Madrid, Spain Fri 4/1 Azkena Vitoria, Spain Sat 4/2 Apolo Barcelona, Spain Mon 4/4 Alcatraz Milan, Italy Wed 4/6 La Boule Noire Paris, France Thur 4/7 Mean Fiddler London, England Fri 4/8 Milkweg Amsterdam, Netherlands Sun 4/10 Grosse Freiheit Hamburg, Germany Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Feb 19 08:07:34 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:07:34 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show.... plus more Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com February 19, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #120), Alchemical Radio (show #80), Drool Trough (show #25), and The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NEXT WEEK: THE FEBRUARY 2005 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #120) Martijn de Kleer ? ?Jet Lag? (from So Close Yet So Far Out) JFK Jr. Royal Airforce ? ?Unhinged? (from Androids) Spacehead ? ?Nucleii? (from Live @ Hawkfest 2003) Oxymoronatron ? ?21st Century Robot Love? (from Robots Gone Wild) Hidria Spacefolk ? ?Kaneh Bosm? (from Symbiosis) Thomas Anfield ? ?Guku? (from Music For Butoh) Alientar ? ?Stuck To Earth? (from Alientar) The Burning Wood Session ? ?All Tomorrows Wood? (from What?s Up, Mutants! Volume I) Little Fyodor ? ?Won?t Someone Fill The Void? (from Beneath The Uber-Putz) Sasquatch ? ?Money Man? (from Sasquatch) Greg Segal ? ?Mutation Night? (from Adventures Of Forever And Nowhere) Alien Dream ? ?Moons and Stardust? (unreleased, Live @ Hawkfest 2003) Alchemical Radio (show #80) Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit from the Stone Premonitions label and features some of the best Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions The Mick Fleetwood Band ? "Bitter End" Mark Van Overmeire ? "Titicaca" Mango ? "Moving Now" Mandog - "Vegetable Man" Medium ? "Mirror Mirror" Madmen & Dreamers ? "What About Me" Mr Love & Justice ? "Wish-Hound" Lope ? "Pycent" Layne ? "Just You" Liam Macdonald ? "Man Woman Child" Keven Brennan ? "Pajamas" Kenny Butterill ? "Our Liberty" Josh Williams ? Untitled John Pinamonti ? "Reason Or Rhyme" Joe Freeman ? "Seven Years" Joann Wisniewska ? "A Little Story" Homeland Security ? "Good Morning Love" Drool Trough (show #25) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. We created Drool Trough for two reasons. First, we receive far more submissions at Aural Innovations than we can reasonably have time to review. And, second, we get a lot of cool music that doesn't fit neatly into our more theme oriented radio shows. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Oxymoronatron ? ?Iron Chef? (from Robots Gone Wild) Arthur Love Plastic ? ?The Cage (ALP vs. The Tidbits)? (from Love Or Perish) Dada Dicky ? ?Black And White? (from Dada Dicky) Sparkwood ? ?Wishing You Well? (from Jalopy Pop) Stiv Bators ? ?Circumstantial Evidence? (from L.A. Confidential) The Turpentine Brothers ? ?Somethin?s Not Right? (from We Don?t Care About Your Good Times) The Insaints ? ?Tribal Song? (from Sins Of Saints) Rik Wright?s Zen Tornado ? ?Hummingbirds Don?t Sing? (from Zen Tornado) Eric Hofbauer ? ?Better Get Hit In Your Soul? (from American Vanity) Pretendo ? ?Samurai Sessions? (from Pretendo) Ticonderoga ? ?Locked In The Back Freezer? (from Ticonderoga) Mandarin ? ?The Beginning Hides The End? (from Fast>Future>Present) Traindodge ? ?Bent And Broken Down? (from The Truth) UFO Jim - "Women With A Silver Cage" (soon to be released) Daydream Nation ? ?Neon? (from Bella Vendetta) Symphony In Demeanor ? ?Lonely Fool? (from Symphony In Demeanor) Jimmy Sparks & The Mist ? ?Heaven?s Deep Blue Sky? (from Jimmy Sparks & The Mist) Retroheads ? ?Starry Night? (from Retrospective) Veljeni Valas ? ?Veljeni Valas? (from Veljeni Valas) Kaos Moon ? ?SOAB? (from The Circle Of Madness) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown (show #35) The Ear-Relevant Music Hoedown was created to give an audio spotlight to the exciting improvisational, experimental, and general avant-garde rock & jazz we receive in the Aural Innovations mailbox. Satoko Fujii Orchestra ? ?Blueprint? (from Blueprint) Natsuki Tamura Quartet ? ?Endanger? (from Exit) Crlustraude ? ?Mmh Auchan? (from Crlustraude) The Phonographers Union ? track 4 (from Live on Sonarchy Radio) Wormhole ? ?(re)cycl(her)? (from Trummerflora: Rubble 1) Bill Horist ? ?Gesture? (from Lyric/Suite) Darrell Katz ? ?Gone Now? (from The Death Of Simone Weil) Department ? ?It?s All Too Late Now? (from The Turncoat Sessions 97>03) Aki Peltonen ? ?Orchestra, Accordion and MW-Radio #2? (from Radio Banana) Electric Tiger ? ?Untanz? (excerpt) (from Tanzmuzik) http://Aural-Innovations.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Feb 19 13:56:16 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:56:16 -0500 Subject: Gov't Mule European tour In-Reply-To: <20050219030144.82094.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 19:01 -0800, gary shindler wrote: > They've never toured Europe? I can't believe that. As popular or as > well regarded as they are in the states I find that bizarre. It is bizarre. I guess the perennial complaining from the Euromulers made them realise that the flimsy excuses for not touring just wouldn't wash any more. :-) I heard this morning that the Paris show has been relocated to a larger venue after the original show sold out the day it went on sale. Hopefully, if this tour does well, they'll return for others. I'm off to see them in Winston-Salem tonight... Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 19 18:00:51 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:00:51 EST Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net Message-ID: Hey y'all: has anybody subscribed to Eric's site? I was thinking about it, and just wondered if it's worth it. I love BOC and am a fan of Eric's, but still, $50 is $50, and I don't want to waste it! Joe From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Sat Feb 19 19:05:58 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:05:58 -0700 Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net In-Reply-To: <1f1.35cbfaa1.2f491f23@aol.com> Message-ID: > I love BOC and am a fan of Eric's, but still, $50 is $50, and I don't want to waste it! I hear that. I am a huge fan of Eric's, but $50.00 for the unknown is a bit steep. I'd be willing to spend that kind of money if there were significant downloads. Even then, it would have to be pretty cool stuff for $50.00. Maybe if that gave you backstage passes for all their shows, that might be worth it. I'd probably pay $50.00 to be able to jam with the band on a song or 2! If anyone knows what's there, please share. Brad From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 19 19:13:24 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:13:24 EST Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/2005 7:07:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM writes: If anyone knows what's there, please share. Well, the site says that, for joining, you get a t-shirt with the site logo, a 4"x5" (I think) signed photo of Eric, plus a cheapy keyring/flashlight and pen, both with the logo. As a member you get 'personal e-mail contact' (rough quote there) with Eric, 'exclusive news,' photo access, 'Manny's Cartoon File' (or somesuch), plus maybe one or two other things. Kind of not bad, but still, is it worth $50? Backstage passes for shows would be a good idea. Joe From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sat Feb 19 19:31:45 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:31:45 +0100 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby Message-ID: I was buying E.S. Posthumus CD on CDBaby (http://www.cdbaby.com/) when I noticed they have a 10% discount on all tBS CDs (they don't have BHoS, I wonder why). Just to let you know. If anyone is interested. GM -- ID of Retribution "Some things are worth fighting for" (JP) From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sat Feb 19 19:38:32 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:38:32 -0500 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: <4217DA71.3070300@yahoo.it> Message-ID: At 07:31 PM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >I was buying E.S. Posthumus CD on CDBaby (http://www.cdbaby.com/) when I >noticed they have a 10% discount on all tBS CDs (they don't have BHoS, I >wonder why). If I recall, Black Hearts of Soul is avail. in Europe and through Cellsum.com only. It's on a French label, the "news" page talks about this methinks. Jason From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Sat Feb 19 19:44:48 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:44:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net In-Reply-To: <20.3f0067d1.2f493024@aol.com> Message-ID: > Well, the site says that, for joining, you get a t-shirt with the site > logo, That's probably worth $20.00 (I haven't seen the site logo though) > a 4"x5" (I think) signed photo of Eric Full body shot, signed "Love to you"? : ) > plus a cheapy keyring/flashlight wow. > pen, both with the logo. Now if it was one of those pens where it had a picture of him and when you turned it upside down, his clothes came off. 'nuff said, eh? > As a member you get 'personal e-mail contact' (rough quote there) with > Eric A license to stalk! > 'exclusive news,' Like, what Eric ate for lunch today? > Kind of not bad, but still, is it worth $50? Sorry about being such a smartass, but I'm with you. Intriguing, but hey, I got a wife, kid and dog to feed. I don't blame Eric for trying to make a buck though. I'll keep buying the CD's, DVD's and paying to see the shows when they come to town. I'd even by a shirt if it was really cool. I'll buy more remastered CD's if they do them. If they put out some decent boots, I'd buy them. No doubt I've gotten more than my moneys worth from the band. I love these guys, but I'm cheap. Brad From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sat Feb 19 20:07:16 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:07:16 +0100 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20050219193721.021c7ea8@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 20/02/2005 1.38, Jason wrote: > At 07:31 PM 2/19/2005, you wrote: > >> I was buying E.S. Posthumus CD on CDBaby (http://www.cdbaby.com/) when I >> noticed they have a 10% discount on all tBS CDs (they don't have BHoS, I >> wonder why). > > > If I recall, Black Hearts of Soul is avail. in Europe and through > Cellsum.com only. > It's on a French label, the "news" page talks about this methinks. yes, BHoS is produced in France, but I bought it from play.com and there are copies on Amazon too. On Amazon UK there is a used copy for 30.48 pounds. If you consider I paid it 10.99 pounds+free delivery (since I live in Italy, that's cool;) ... well, now I do wonder why!!! GM -- ID of Retribution "Some things are worth fighting for" (JP) From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Sat Feb 19 20:20:59 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:20:59 -0000 Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net In-Reply-To: <3938.155.100.151.27.1108860288.squirrel@mail.wirelessbeehive.com> Message-ID: At least with the Buck Dharma site, you paid $150 but you got the wonderful 4 disc Archive, a t-shirt, a signed photo made out however you want, a laminated VIP pass and access to the Subscriber Area 51 of his site including the Area 51 message board. This is worth the money alone - lots of great pics and stories, as well as guitar tutorials from the man himself. I haven't paid the $50 for the EB.net site as everything I've heard points to this not being good value. EB does come and chat on the site from time to time and you do get advance info on gigs and stuff. Still, I wait for others to tell me what's happening. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Brad Dahl Sent: 20 February 2005 00:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: BOC: EricBloom.net > Well, the site says that, for joining, you get a t-shirt with the site > logo, That's probably worth $20.00 (I haven't seen the site logo though) > a 4"x5" (I think) signed photo of Eric Full body shot, signed "Love to you"? : ) > plus a cheapy keyring/flashlight wow. > pen, both with the logo. Now if it was one of those pens where it had a picture of him and when you turned it upside down, his clothes came off. 'nuff said, eh? > As a member you get 'personal e-mail contact' (rough quote there) with > Eric A license to stalk! > 'exclusive news,' Like, what Eric ate for lunch today? > Kind of not bad, but still, is it worth $50? Sorry about being such a smartass, but I'm with you. Intriguing, but hey, I got a wife, kid and dog to feed. I don't blame Eric for trying to make a buck though. I'll keep buying the CD's, DVD's and paying to see the shows when they come to town. I'd even by a shirt if it was really cool. I'll buy more remastered CD's if they do them. If they put out some decent boots, I'd buy them. No doubt I've gotten more than my moneys worth from the band. I love these guys, but I'm cheap. Brad From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Feb 20 05:08:33 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:08:33 +0000 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: <4217E2C4.6020907@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On 20 Feb 2005, at 01:07, Ivars Doyle wrote: > On 20/02/2005 1.38, Jason wrote: >> At 07:31 PM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >>> I was buying E.S. Posthumus CD on CDBaby (http://www.cdbaby.com/) >>> when I >>> noticed they have a 10% discount on all tBS CDs (they don't have >>> BHoS, I >>> wonder why). >> >> If I recall, Black Hearts of Soul is avail. in Europe and through >> Cellsum.com only. >> It's on a French label, the "news" page talks about this methinks. > > yes, BHoS is produced in France, but I bought it from play.com and > there > are copies on Amazon too. > On Amazon UK there is a used copy for 30.48 pounds. If you consider I > paid it 10.99 pounds+free delivery (since I live in Italy, that's > cool;) Amazon.co.uk claims to have it themselves at list price for GBP 11.99 (and they do ship internationally). Heaven only knows what insanity has affected the US reseller who wants to sell it back to Europeans for GBP 30.48! As Ivars writes, Play.com has it for 10.99 inc. delivery. Dunno if they ship States, though ... have to check .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Sun Feb 20 09:50:37 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:50:37 +0100 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: <5a8c16324d544af5f4d038d933a709a0@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On 20/02/2005 11.08, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > As Ivars writes, Play.com has it for 10.99 inc. delivery. Dunno if > they ship States, though ... have to check .... Play.com and Play.com International (http://www.playusa.com/) have free delivery on all items/to all countries, incl. States. No, I do not work for them 8) Gian Maria -- ID of Retribution "Some things are worth fighting for" (JP) From hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM Sun Feb 20 12:23:19 2005 From: hms at ITECHMEDIA.COM (Dr. T.) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:23:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights Message-ID: Anubian Lights has a new album out, an updated website http://www.anubianlights.com , and an online radio interview you can listen to or Watch (!) using realplayer at www.kcrw.com (search for anubian lights) Very cool live performance - interview with Tommy Grenas. Len Del Rio, and new member Adele Berti. Personally I'll admit that my space rock listening habits have drifted to be a predominately Pressurehed-Farflung-Anubian Lights pattern. And I know Naz Bar and this latest release Phantascope are far from being Blanga in any sense - but I think this stuff is very cool. Well worth checking out. They do have a tune called "Good Morning Spacegirl" - that puts 'em in the category don't it?.... Looks like new re-vamped Farflung web site too, and some new news there (comp collection releases coming). Already ordered the new one from amazony From dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM Sun Feb 20 20:49:44 2005 From: dahl at WIRELESSBEEHIVE.COM (Brad Dahl) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:49:44 -0700 Subject: Off Topic: Drum Machines Message-ID: > Picked up an Alesis SR-16 drum machine at a flea market and am wondering > if anyone has any suggestions as to what to play it through. > It sounds good with headphones, but what kind of an amp is best? > I was thinking a keyboard amp, or do they make a drum machine amp? If you have a decent stereo system, you can run it through that. If you're looking into spending money, get a small powered mixing board and a couple of monitor speakers. Then you can sing along too! By the way, that's a nice drum machine. I prefer to use a computer with sequencing software to run my drums. It gives you the ability to have more "life-like" drumming (not so much repetition to save on drum machine memory) and easy to alter velocity so you can have some dynamics. Then, if you have a midi keyboard, you can through some other sounds on their to jam to as well. Rock out! Brad From des at SUPERLINK.NET Mon Feb 21 02:11:45 2005 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:11:45 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: Drum Machines In-Reply-To: <004b01c517b7$9e338e00$6400a8c0@BRAD> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I have an old Kenwood and some good speakers that i think great with then. Mostly I want to just practice jamming with something that has better time than I do. I used to have a Roland Dr. Rhythm 110 years back but a neighbor borrowed it and then we both moved before I could get it back. Cheer! --Eric Sunday, February 20, 2005, 8:49:44 PM, you wrote: >> Picked up an Alesis SR-16 drum machine at a flea market and am wondering >> if anyone has any suggestions as to what to play it through. >> It sounds good with headphones, but what kind of an amp is best? >> I was thinking a keyboard amp, or do they make a drum machine amp? BD> If you have a decent stereo system, you can run it through that. If you're BD> looking into spending money, get a small powered mixing board and a couple BD> of monitor speakers. Then you can sing along too! BD> By the way, that's a nice drum machine. BD> I prefer to use a computer with sequencing software to run my drums. It BD> gives you the ability to have more "life-like" drumming (not so much BD> repetition to save on drum machine memory) and easy to alter velocity so you BD> can have some dynamics. Then, if you have a midi keyboard, you can through BD> some other sounds on their to jam to as well. BD> Rock out! BD> Brad From coral at APORT.RU Mon Feb 21 04:45:03 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:45:03 +0300 Subject: Anubian Lights Message-ID: I like their new album. It's like a space rock in mainstream clothes. I hope this will help them to reach charts and radios. Still lots of these swirly sounds and spacey feeling like on Let not The Flame die out. The vocals of Adele are superb. My fave song is Bhajan (though with Tommy on lead vox :)). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. T." To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights > Anubian Lights has a new album out, an updated website > http://www.anubianlights.com , and an online radio interview you can listen > to or Watch (!) using realplayer at www.kcrw.com (search for anubian lights) > > > Very cool live performance - interview with Tommy Grenas. Len Del Rio, and > new member Adele Berti. > > Personally I'll admit that my space rock listening habits have drifted to > be a predominately Pressurehed-Farflung-Anubian Lights pattern. And I know > Naz Bar and this latest release Phantascope are far from being Blanga in > any sense - but I think this stuff is very cool. Well worth checking out. > > They do have a tune called "Good Morning Spacegirl" - that puts 'em in the > category don't it?.... > > Looks like new re-vamped Farflung web site too, and some new news there > (comp collection releases coming). > > Already ordered the new one from amazony > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 21 05:07:14 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:07:14 +0000 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: <4218A3BD.8030309@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On 20 Feb 2005, at 14:50, Ivars Doyle wrote: > On 20/02/2005 11.08, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> As Ivars writes, Play.com has it for 10.99 inc. delivery. Dunno if >> they ship States, though ... have to check .... > > Play.com and Play.com International (http://www.playusa.com/) have free > delivery on all items/to all countries, incl. States. I think that's not quite true -- Play.com has a list of countries to which they deliver and it doesn't seem to include the US. I remember getting some European-release DVDs from Play.com for a guy in the US who wanted the Italian subtitles for his daughter to practice with, ordering them from Play.com to my UK address and then forwarding them to him. PlayUSA.com claims they can't send CDs to the UK, only DVDs . Amazon.co.uk, however, will ship pretty much anything they sell to the States, but also I think the cellsum.com web site also sells _BHoS_ direct (though you'll have to wait for the band to get back from tour before they ship, I suspect!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 21 07:54:04 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:54:04 +0000 Subject: Off Topic: Drum Machines In-Reply-To: <004b01c517b7$9e338e00$6400a8c0@BRAD> Message-ID: On 21 Feb 2005, at 01:49, Brad Dahl wrote: > I prefer to use a computer with sequencing software to run my drums. > It > gives you the ability to have more "life-like" drumming (not so much > repetition to save on drum machine memory) and easy to alter velocity > so you > can have some dynamics. Then, if you have a midi keyboard, you can > through > some other sounds on their to jam to as well. BTW, if you're into this stuff, I recommend checking out ns_kit , which is a whole pile of free drum samples with, I think, formats for various sequencers/samplers but also just WAV files so you can adapt them to whatever you like. A good range of hits at different velocities, too. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 21 07:56:50 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:56:50 +0000 Subject: Gov't Mule European tour In-Reply-To: <1108839376.89758.12.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On 19 Feb 2005, at 18:56, Paul Mather wrote: > I heard this morning that the Paris show has been relocated to a larger > venue after the original show sold out the day it went on sale. > Hopefully, if this tour does well, they'll return for others. The Hamburg show did the same thing. I jumped on my tix for London as fast as I could, in case it sold out and no one was organized enough to upgrade the venue :) Haven't seen the Mule since '96 -- almost as long as it had been since I'd seen tBS. It's funny, actually ... one of the first tBS shows I saw was them opening for Gov't Mule way up in Burlington, VT. Scott Heller and I went up there -- quite a trip, but well worth it! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Mon Feb 21 09:50:59 2005 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:50:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dr. T. wrote: > Anubian Lights has a new album out, an updated website > http://www.anubianlights.com , and an online radio interview you can listen > to or Watch (!) using realplayer at www.kcrw.com (search for anubian lights) I listened to it last night. Pretty good. I see Hidria Spacefolk is releasing a CD of their Nearfest performance on 22 Feb. From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Mon Feb 21 23:46:30 2005 From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:46:30 +0100 Subject: tBS CDs discount on CDbaby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21/02/2005 11.07, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I think that's not quite true yep. my (double) mistake. I'm sorry about that 8( it seems I'll never work for them 8) -- ID of Retribution "Some things are worth fighting for" (JP) From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Tue Feb 22 07:17:22 2005 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:17:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Xmas single. In-Reply-To: <67.3e70c6ca.2f40f9f3@aol.com> Message-ID: Greetings! Received a message from the mothership today. As I suspected more CD?s will be on sale shortly. Looking forward to get it. Hawkswede GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 13/02/05 18:19:41 GMT Standard Time, GutterCat at AOL.COM >writes: > > > >>>I ordered the Xmas single in late December 2004 but haven?t still got my >>>copy. Was the first copies sold out during the tour? >>> >>> > >Sorry, I forgot to answer that. >The CD was sold out by the time I got to see them in Manchester. That was the >second to last show of the tour. >Couldn't make it to any of the other gigs unfortunately. The venues weren't >ideal though. I would have gone to Liverpool the night after, but an obscure >venue in Birkenhead??? We don't all have starcruisers. Some of us rely on public >transport. > >It's been a looooooong time coming, but I am now disillusioned with the way >Hawkwind are operating. If indeed they ARE operating. > >Come on.... tell us something! All the people who have sent you cheques... >are you going to tear them up? Return them? Send a CD? Or maybe..... make an >announcement?? > >Ahhh... end of rant. >I'm just going to put PXR5 onto CD. I recorded it from vinyl onto a dreaded >cassette, and nor it goes onto disc. > >Hey, how about this for an idea... we have waited so long for official CD >releases. Maybe they are working on thE best for us: DVD Audio reissues of each >album, with 5.1 surround sound. > >*** END OF DREAM SEQUENCE *** > > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Feb 22 08:06:45 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:06:45 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <4215BA6C.2020802@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 12-Feb-2005 17:46, Paul Mather wrote: > > Was anyone taping? (Do the Brain Surgeons allow taping?) > > Dunno! But no one was taping as far as I know -- the taping thing still > seems to be pretty unknown in Britain, and a lot of artists I've seen > still regard it as a way to lose revenue to bootleggers instead of as a > marketing tool to suck in unsuspecting new fans via free live stuff ;) Any live video of that gig would have to be quite carefully treated before the venue's centre-stage sign with scarlet lettering forbidding taping, videoing or photography (ahem) wasn't really really obvious ;-) Yours, Jon (who has meanwhile convinced two recovered freaks who last saw Hawkwind in 1971 to go and see the Nikwind gig there in April :-) ) ObCD: The Wellwater Conspiracy - _Declaration of Conformity_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 22 08:17:58 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:17:58 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 13:06, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Any live video of that gig would have to be quite carefully > treated before the venue's centre-stage sign with scarlet > lettering forbidding taping, videoing or photography (ahem) wasn't really > really obvious ;-) Natch, I would never encourage violating a venue's taping policy! :) Cheers, Carl ps - Hmmm, wonder if the Mean Fiddler has some set-in-stone taping policy? Eh, well, I'll be able to buy the Mule gig from muletracks.com anyway! -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Feb 22 08:25:36 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:25:36 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: <4215DC01.3070805@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 18-Feb-2005 11:54, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I think John Otway probably counts as a > > quintessential English tourist attraction for any transatlantic visitors > > :-) > > Perhaps if we want to destroy English tourism forever :) Apologies to > die hard fans, but as a person who had never encountered John Otway > before, he's planted himself firmly in my Top 3 Worst Opening Acts of > All Time list. Whatever you need to appreciate 'im, I clearly ain't got it! Wow :-) Who's between him and Magic Michael then? (I mean, I assume Magic Michael still holds the No. 1 slot... ) > Much though I know it's wrong to shout "me too", Jon's comments here are > right on the mark. Al has always been among the few drummers that have > made me really sit up and _listen_ to what they're doing, and come to > think of it, perhaps he's the only one of those I've actually seen live. I recommend seeing Clutch on this score as well. At least, when they're on a bill where they have time to stretch out a bit; they don't always Jean-Paul Gaster the drum breaks they should. And hey, I thought Carl Palmer was a fantastic drummer to *watch* that time he supported BOC... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Feb 22 08:31:33 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:31:33 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > Does anybody know where the school playground with the jungle gym is? (from > the photo collage of the band on the insert record sleeve)...I've expected > to run into it (the playground, not necessarily the jungle gym itself, which > has probably rusted away to nothing by now) while walking around the LG > area, but not so far. It's almost certainly gone now I fear. The last few years have seen a fairly wholesale replacement of children's play-areas (where they haven't just been built over) and their equipment so as to have cushioned tarmac to prevent (serious) injuries if a child falls. So if it had lasted this long, it'd most likely have been replaced recently. > If you take a (surface) train into Victoria station from the south (or vice > versa), you'll go right past the old Battersea power station (unless it's > fallen over already), which is famous from the Pink Floyd Animals cover art, > among other things I imagine. I remember my first time on this rail line, > being half asleep and finally waking up to see this oddly familiar thing > filling the whole window of the train car...I had to blink and rub my eyes > for a minute to make sure I wasn't still dreaming. I go past that so much, it'd never occurred to me it was an international landmark :-) I knew it from kids' TV years before I saw the Floyd album. However even that gave me a brief "wow!" moment when I first saw it for real. Wreck of a place, brings to mind bits of Anglo-Saxon history about mistaking Roman ruins for buildings of giants... or perhaps that's just to my mind. Anyway! Yours, Jon ObCD: Ten Benson - _Satan Kidney Pie_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Feb 22 08:36:31 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:36:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: <42161408.8010501@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > As Jon Jarrett can attest (having been at a previous gig where the set > was mostly covers), we aren't very good -- but we are pretty loud :) > We're ye olde vox/gtr/bass/drums line-up (I'm playing bass here: 1970s > Rick 4001, natch! :) and I guess the originals fall into that sort of > "weird heavy rock" category. We do have one massive rip-off space-rock > piece (complete with swooshy noises formed by twiddling the dials on an > analogue delay pedal :) Actually, there's audio and (partial) video of > us playing that one linked from: > That is actually a pretty flattering clip, although it does make the, um, inspiration of the track fairly clear :-) In truth, this is not a bad band except for one thing; the singer's good, the guitarist is fairly flexible and naturally the bass player is excellent (that's a beer you owe me Carl), unfortunately the drummer has to be one of the worst I've ever seen :-) He makes all the drummer jokes I've ever heard make sense. Loud, however, they got. > ps - man, how uncool is that, to play with guys from yer office?! Ah > well, screw it: making loud noises is fun ... :) I think the biggest problem with this strategy is that you can't fire anyone unless you can get your boss to do it. Will your boss employ people on the basis of their musical talent do you suppose? :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 22 09:44:57 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:44:57 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 13:31, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: >> If you take a (surface) train into Victoria station from the south (or vice >> versa), you'll go right past the old Battersea power station (unless it's >> fallen over already), which is famous from the Pink Floyd Animals cover art, >> among other things I imagine. I remember my first time on this rail line, >> being half asleep and finally waking up to see this oddly familiar thing >> filling the whole window of the train car...I had to blink and rub my eyes >> for a minute to make sure I wasn't still dreaming. > > I go past that so much, it'd never occurred to me it was an > international landmark :-) I knew it from kids' TV years before I saw the > Floyd album. However even that gave me a brief "wow!" moment when I first > saw it for real. Wreck of a place, brings to mind bits of Anglo-Saxon > history about mistaking Roman ruins for buildings of giants... or perhaps > that's just to my mind. Anyway! Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 22 09:51:21 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:51:21 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: London gig review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 13:25, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 18-Feb-2005 11:54, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > I think John Otway probably counts as a >> > quintessential English tourist attraction for any transatlantic visitors >> > :-) >> >> Perhaps if we want to destroy English tourism forever :) Apologies to >> die hard fans, but as a person who had never encountered John Otway >> before, he's planted himself firmly in my Top 3 Worst Opening Acts of >> All Time list. Whatever you need to appreciate 'im, I clearly ain't got it! > > Wow :-) Who's between him and Magic Michael then? (I mean, I > assume Magic Michael still holds the No. 1 slot... ) I dunno. It's a tough call .... The other act I have to place in the top three was some band I saw opening for Kittie (!) a few years back -- their name, I mercifully forget. They had two drummers, two vocalists (I wouldn't dub them "singers"), a bevy of guitarists, and a bass (at least one). It was not entirely clear to me that the band members were always playing the same song at the same time. In fact, I would go so far as to say there was _damn_ little evidence that they were _ever_ playing the same song at the same time ;) Boy, did they suck! :) And if for some perverse reason they _meant_ it to sound like that, then they double-triple sucked! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 22 09:55:06 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:55:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 13:36, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> We're ye olde vox/gtr/bass/drums line-up (I'm playing bass here: 1970s >> Rick 4001, natch! :) and I guess the originals fall into that sort of >> "weird heavy rock" category. We do have one massive rip-off space-rock >> piece (complete with swooshy noises formed by twiddling the dials on an >> analogue delay pedal :) Actually, there's audio and (partial) video of >> us playing that one linked from: >> > > That is actually a pretty flattering clip, although it does make > the, um, inspiration of the track fairly clear :-) Massive rip-off space rock 'R' us! :) On that track, anyway .... (Hey, it worked for Monster Magnet :) > Will your boss employ > people on the basis of their musical talent do you suppose? :-) We've discussed it from time to time ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Feb 22 11:55:17 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:17 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill Message-ID: What??? Is this Anglo-saxon? ---- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 22-Feb-2005 13:31, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > >> If you take a (surface) train into Victoria station from the south (or vice > >> versa), you'll go right past the old Battersea power station (unless it's > >> fallen over already), which is famous from the Pink Floyd Animals cover art, > >> among other things I imagine. I remember my first time on this rail line, > >> being half asleep and finally waking up to see this oddly familiar thing > >> filling the whole window of the train car...I had to blink and rub my eyes > >> for a minute to make sure I wasn't still dreaming. > > > > I go past that so much, it'd never occurred to me it was an > > international landmark :-) I knew it from kids' TV years before I saw the > > Floyd album. However even that gave me a brief "wow!" moment when I first > > saw it for real. Wreck of a place, brings to mind bits of Anglo-Saxon > > history about mistaking Roman ruins for buildings of giants... or perhaps > > that's just to my mind. Anyway! > > Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta > geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, > hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo > undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, > forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea > wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, > rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Feb 22 12:09:22 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:09:22 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <24602606.1109091317874.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 16:55, Stephe Lindas wrote: > What??? Is this Anglo-saxon? Indeed -- or "Old English" they like to call it "in the biz". It's the beginning of the poem now commonly known as "The Ruin", understood to be describing the Roman ruins of Bath. It's what Jon was referring to when he said that the Battersea power station: > brings to mind bits of Anglo-Saxon > history about mistaking Roman ruins for buildings of giants... A handy translation is to be found at , and would sound great if it had been read by Calvert with Space Ritual noises behind it :) The translation there begins "The city buildings fell apart, the works of giants crumble. Tumbled are the towers, ruined the roofs, and broken the barred gate; frost in the plaster, all the ceilings gape, torn and collapsed and eaten up by age ...." Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 22 12:15:54 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:15:54 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Fwd: Brain Surgeons camphone pictures In-Reply-To: <421B3106.4010009@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 22-Feb-2005 13:06, Jon Jarrett wrote: > >> Any live video of that gig would have to be quite carefully >> treated before the venue's centre-stage sign with scarlet >> lettering forbidding taping, videoing or photography (ahem) wasn't >> really >> really obvious ;-) > > > Natch, I would never encourage violating a venue's taping policy! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > ps - Hmmm, wonder if the Mean Fiddler has some set-in-stone taping > policy? Eh, well, I'll be able to buy the Mule gig from muletracks.com > anyway! Almost all of those venue prohibitions are just boilerplate done as a courtesy for the bands (most of whom tend to be anti-taping). I've routinely seen "no taping allowed" on tickets I've bought to shows of bands who explicitly allow taping. So long as the band's management hits the venue with a clue bat, there's no problem. I know several Euromulers have been vocal about the need for HardHead to do exactly that, because the taping scene is not as big in Europe as in the USA, and that the European venues being played might not be hip to the concept. Certainly, fans that have declared they are going to the European shows have expressed a concern about taping rights, and so there's a good chance something will get done about it. If not, as you say, there's always Muletracks to fall back on! Cheers, Paul. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Feb 22 13:14:24 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:14:24 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill Message-ID: Hi, That would sound pretty good with Calvert doing it. Interesting stuff. Cheers Stephe ---- Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 22-Feb-2005 16:55, Stephe Lindas wrote: > > What??? Is this Anglo-saxon? > > Indeed -- or "Old English" they like to call it "in the biz". It's the > beginning of the poem now commonly known as "The Ruin", understood to be > describing the Roman ruins of Bath. It's what Jon was referring to when > he said that the Battersea power station: > > > brings to mind bits of Anglo-Saxon > > history about mistaking Roman ruins for buildings of giants... > > A handy translation is to be found at > , and > would sound great if it had been read by Calvert with Space Ritual > noises behind it :) The translation there begins "The city buildings > fell apart, the works of giants crumble. Tumbled are the towers, > ruined the roofs, and broken the barred gate; frost in the plaster, all > the ceilings gape, torn and collapsed and eaten up by age ...." > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK Tue Feb 22 13:49:03 2005 From: hawkfan at RATSAUCE.CO.UK (Hawkfan) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:49:03 -0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <421B4569.5040903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I've been looking for an Anglo Saxon translation of Silver Machine for ages. Irritatingly (for the purposes of my rather feeble humour) although I found an Old English translation of "machine", none of the Old English dictionaries I found had a translation of "silver". There must surely be one; I thought the Anglo Saxons excelled in gold and silver metalwork. JR -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: 22 February 2005 14:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Mountain Grill Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Feb 22 14:15:18 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:15:18 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill Message-ID: Hi, THis is from "An Anglo-Saxon dictionary,by Joseph Bosworth and T. Northcote Toller." Heres the link. Very good source here for AS. http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oe_bosworthtoller_about.html#images seolfor, siolufr, silofr, sylfor (-er, -ut), es; n. Silver :-- Seolfor argen-tum, Wrt. Voc. ii. 8, 52. Seolfer, i. 85, 7. Seolfur, Ps. Th. 134, 15. Feower hund scillinga seolfres. Gen. 23, 16. Fiftig yntsena seolfres, Deut. 22, 29. Hwites seolfres. Jos. 7, ii. Silofres, Salm. Kmbl. 62, MS. B. ; Sal. 31. Siolufres (siolofres, Cote. MSS. ), Past. 37; Swt. 269, 4. t? siolofre, Swt. 266. 10. Ic sealde siolfor (sylofr, Cote. MSS. ), 48; Swt. 369, 6. Silofr, Swt. 368, 20. Hw?tan seolfre b?tan, Cd. Th. 165, 14; Gen. 2731. Sylfore, Exon. Th. 395, 4; Rii. 15, 2. N?bbe g? seolfer (sulfer, Lind. : sylfur, Rush. ), Mt. Kmbl. 10, 9. W?nst d? ?t w? ines hl?fordes seolfor stlon, Gen. 44, 8. Sealde him t5 bote gangende feoh and gl?d seolfor, Cd. Th. 164, 24; Gen. 2719. [Go th, silubr : O. Frs. selover, selver, silver: O. Sax. silubar, silotar: O. H. Ger. silabar, silbar: Icel. silfr.] v. cwic-seolfor. Hope this helps. Cheers Stephe ---- Hawkfan wrote: > Thanks, I've been looking for an Anglo Saxon translation of Silver Machine > for ages. > > Irritatingly (for the purposes of my rather feeble humour) although I found > an Old English translation of "machine", none of the Old English > dictionaries I found had a translation of "silver". There must surely be > one; I thought the Anglo Saxons excelled in gold and silver metalwork. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 22 February 2005 14:45 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: Mountain Grill > > Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta > geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, > hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo > undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, > forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea > wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, > rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 22 14:33:41 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:33:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Friday 10th/hello everyone In-Reply-To: <41BD8CAD.90704@aol.com> Message-ID: Gr8 to see you / meet you as well! I've been silent for ages but i'll be lurking again now I've access again!Hello to Alister too!!! Sorry we didn't link up at a gig. Astoria was ace,i was with Andrea so we went upstairs....she can't handle the crowds too well and it's gr8 to see the whole lightshow 'cos at Swindon i just was lost in space and dancing like manic with Dave Brock doing some of the most energetic work i've seen him do!WoW!Blown away man!AL> >From: Iain Ferguson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: HW: Swindon Friday 10th >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:35:57 +0000 > >Yes yes yes ! > >Dave Brock out front like he should be, giving his guitar a good >thrashing.... > >What a cracker of a gig, fantastic stage set, with a wonderful back >drop, lots of twinkley lights & some really good dancers. Topped with a >great light show that washed everything with some enormous oil wheel >patterns. This was a Sports centre gig & the bubble wheels shrank the >whole space and made it far more intimate, Well done to all the crew there. >Great to see Arin, Rich, Rob, Alan L & Alan Day ( how bizarre was that >bumping into you man ) > >Highlights for me were Psychedelic Warlords with a great Bass solo and a >classic straight down the line Dave Brock guitar sound, swirlling round >the building. In fact Dave was playing the guitar much more and was >great to see him Solo'ing as well. >Ode to a flower ? with a Bob Calvert backing track was just superb, and >the dancers did a really cool job on this as well. >The new material was fantastic and all adds more light & Shade to the >procedings. To Love a Machine is my fav. Some really good Drum & Bass >was blasting out during a number I can't remember, I was getting >disorientated with the sound shifts across the stage. >Brainstorm rocked & the 50's throwback special Brainbox Pollution got a >great pummelling. > >So, single & Fleece in hand , I skipped home thinking up a cunning plan >on how I excuse a hotel room on the C/card to see the Astoria gig, I >wanna go again now please ! > >regards >iain From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 22 20:27:01 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:01 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 02:12:13PM +0100, Henderson Keith wrote: > The place has changed names on occasion...it was George's Fish Bar when I > first stopped by in 1986. I think it's still called "George's" but now also > uses the Mountain Grill in the name again. ?? It was the last time I was there, with a bunch of list folk the when we gathered for the XMas gig in 2000. "George's Famous Mountain Grill". They must have switched it back after many hawkfans stopped in to inquire :-) On one of my visits, I overheard a regular calling a staffer by name -- Maria. Now, George and Maria are the names given for the owners in "Time of the Hawklords". (In the story, they're minor heroes, who pitch in to keep the Good Guys (i.e. band/superheroes and their roadies/sidekicks, etc.) fed while the Death Generator crumbles the whole world to bits around everyone's ears.) It's a very strange feeling when a novel comes to life before one's eyes! (And not the first time, with that particular novel....) > But don't expect too > much...it's not much of a historical landmark (though it should be). Very > small, kinda rundown (unless somebody's put some money into it) and not > exactly fine dining. :) That's rather the point, isn't it? I mean, HW went there because it was close by, but Bowie's reason was presumably that it was a place he could have a meal out without being thronged by fans. I quite enjoyed the fact that after all the intervening years, the only concession to the district's gentrification was an espresso machine, and the only sign of any awareness of the place's legendary (in certain odd circles :-)) status was the "famous" on the sign. > Update: A quick websearch tells me the following...it's no longer George's, > but now rather Babes 'n' Burgers...what a peculiar name. Oh well, perhaps > Stacia is the inspiration for the 'babe' part. :) > http://www.babesnburgers.com/ Well, I guess George & Maria have decided to retire. Oddly, the domain exists: http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ -- owned by someone apparently unrelated to the restaurant. They have a recording studio, where the Assassins of Silence recorded a couple of songs. Hmm, anyone we know? .... Yup, and things turn out to be not so odd after all. The domain's registered to one-time BOC-L'er Kevin Perry. Nik's site preserves what looks like an older version of the copy from the home page: The original Mountain Grill was a Portobello Road (London) working man's cafe in the late 1960's and early 1970's, frequented by the likes of Hawkwind?, Michael Moorcock, David Bowie and Marc Bolan. The idea behind this site is much the same: ...a place for creative people to discuss original music, poetry, literature... Pic of the sign: http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/images/mgtoday.jpg -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 22 20:37:17 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:37:17 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 01:31:33PM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Henderson Keith wrote: > > If you take a (surface) train into Victoria station from the south (or vice > > versa), you'll go right past the old Battersea power station (unless it's > > fallen over already), which is famous from the Pink Floyd Animals cover art, > > among other things I imagine. I remember my first time on this rail line, > > being half asleep and finally waking up to see this oddly familiar thing > > filling the whole window of the train car...I had to blink and rub my eyes > > for a minute to make sure I wasn't still dreaming. Heh. I had a similar experience, coming into London for my first time, very early in the morning on the overnight train from Frankfurt via the Oostende/Folkestone ferry. I had no idea of the geography of the place, but happened to see a graffito -- DOGS OWN HOME BATTERSEA. No clue what that meant, but "Cool, the power station's gotta be around here someplace!" I thought, and started looking eagerly around for it. Sure enough, there it was. No pig, but still... Good omen, as it turned out, as HW just happened to be starting their Winter '84 tour that week, so I got to see them my first two times! I even got to see the pig a few years later, flying above the CNE Stadium here in Toronto, when Pink Floyd brought it over on tour with them :-) > Wreck of a place [...] Well they're fixing it up now, looks like. And even a few years ago (end of 2000, I think), Cirque du Soleil had taken up residence. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 22 21:12:25 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:12:25 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <421B4569.5040903@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:44:57PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta > geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, > hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo > undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, > forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea > wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, > rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... So, can the German-speakers here read this stuff? I sure can't, though it mostly makes sense when I compare it to the translation. What makes me ask is that the Anglo-Saxon King Aelfred the Great had a ring, whose inscription said something like "Aelfred mec haet gewyrcan", "Aelfred had me made". Well, "wyrc" must be "work", but the rest -- word order, affixes, the "ae"s, the "c" in "mec" -- is all far more Deutch than English. That ring gave me quite a shock when I saw it (on my one trip to England when I *didn't* get to see HW, and so settled for the British Museum instead :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Feb 22 21:41:38 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:41:38 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <421B6742.4020408@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 05:09:22PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > "The city buildings > fell apart, the works of giants crumble. Tumbled are the towers, > ruined the roofs, and broken the barred gate; frost in the plaster, all > the ceilings gape, torn and collapsed and eaten up by age ...." "The north and the west and the south are good hunting ground, but it is forbidden to go east. It is forbidden to go to any of the Dead Places except to search for metal, and then he who touches the metal must be a priest or the son of a priest. Afterwards, both the man and the metal must be purified. These are the rules and the laws; they are well made. It is forbidden to cross the great river and look upon the place that was the Place of the Gods -- this is most strictly forbidden. We do not even say its name though we know its name. It is there that spirits live, and demons -- it is there that there are the ashes of the Great Burning. These things are forbidden -- they have been forbidden since the beginning of time." - Stephen Vincent Ben?t, "By the Waters of Babylon" -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 23 03:44:41 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:44:41 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <20050223024138.GE27736@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 23-Feb-2005 02:41, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 05:09:22PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> "The city buildings fell apart, the works of giants crumble [....]" > > "The north and the west and the south are good hunting ground, but > it is forbidden to go east [....] These things are forbidden -- > they have been forbidden since the beginning of time." > - Stephen Vincent Ben?t, "By the Waters of Babylon" Yeah, that was the kind of vibe I got. The more I think about it, the more it I think that would sound really cool with a _Space Ritual_ style spoken delivery. If only I had a synth! I suppose I could record the vocals and slap heavily effected guitar drone under it ..... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Wed Feb 23 05:18:51 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:18:51 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill Message-ID: Hi Eric, Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no historian, but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of Sarmatian and German descent, rather than Italian? Cheers Stephe ---- Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:44:57PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Wr?tlic is ?es wealstan; wyrde gebr?con, burgstede burston, brosna? enta > > geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, > > hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo > > undereotone. Eor?grop hafa? waldendwyrhtan, > > forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o? hund cnea > > wer?eoda gewitan. Oft ??s wag gebad, r?ghar and readfah, > > rice ?fter o?rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... > > So, can the German-speakers here read this stuff? I sure can't, > though it mostly makes sense when I compare it to the > translation. > > What makes me ask is that the Anglo-Saxon King Aelfred the Great > had a ring, whose inscription said something like "Aelfred mec > haet gewyrcan", "Aelfred had me made". Well, "wyrc" must be > "work", but the rest -- word order, affixes, the "ae"s, the "c" > in "mec" -- is all far more Deutch than English. That ring gave > me quite a shock when I saw it (on my one trip to England when I > *didn't* get to see HW, and so settled for the British Museum > instead :-) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so > many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to > represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. > - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE Wed Feb 23 06:37:39 2005 From: Wilfried at MUENSTER.DE (Wilfried Schuesler) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:37:39 +0100 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <30613703.1109153931196.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hi, I am German, but can't read a word. Though some parts sound a bit German. A quick look on Wikipedia explains that Anglo-Saxons are a mixture of Saxons (German = Sachsen), Anglo (German = Angeln), J?ten and Friesen (no idea about the English word for them). All of them came from the north of Germany except for the J?ten who came from J?tland, Denmark. Here is another example of old english (a prayer - from Wikipedia as well): F?der ure ?u ?e eart on heofonum si ?in nama gehalgod tobecume ?in rice gewur?e ?in willa on eor?an swa swa on heofonum urne ged?ghwamlican hlaf syle us to d?g and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfa? urum gyltendum and ne gel?d ?u us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele so?lice I can read that a bit, but maybe just because I know the german version! What follows is an example for Altniederdeutsch (an old German): Th? ward fon R?muburg r?kes mannes bar alla thesa irminthiod Octavi?nas ban endi bodskepi obar thea is br?don giwald cuman fon them k?sure cuningo gihuilicun, h?msitteandiun s? w?do s? is heritogon obar al that landskepi liudio giweldun. Hiet man that alla thea elilendiun man iro ?dil s?htin, helidos iro handmahal angegen iro h?rron bodon, qu?mi te them cn?sla gihue, thanan he cunneas was, giboran fon them burgiun. That gibod ward gil?stid obar thesa w?don werold Unfortunately I can't read that! Wilfried > Hi Eric, Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no > historian, but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of Sarmatian > and German descent, rather than Italian? Cheers Stephe > > ---- Eric Siegerman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:44:57PM +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > Wr??tlic is ??es wealstan; wyrde gebr??con, burgstede burston, brosna?? > enta > > > geweorc. Hrofas sind gehrorene, hreorge torras, hrungeat berofen, > > > hrim on lime, scearde scurbeorge scorene, gedorene, aeldo > > > undereotone. Eor??grop hafa?? waldendwyrhtan, > > > forweorone, geleorene heard gripe hrusan, o?? hund > cnea > > > wer??eoda gewitan. Oft ????s wag gebad, r??ghar and readfah, > > > rice ??fter o??rum, ofstondem under stormum; steap geap gedreas .... > > > > So, can the German-speakers here read this stuff? I sure can't, > > though it mostly makes sense when I compare it to the > > translation. > > > > What makes me ask is that the Anglo-Saxon King Aelfred the Great > > had a ring, whose inscription said something like "Aelfred mec > > haet gewyrcan", "Aelfred had me made". Well, "wyrc" must be > > "work", but the rest -- word order, affixes, the "ae"s, the "c" > > in "mec" -- is all far more Deutch than English. That ring gave > > me quite a shock when I saw it (on my one trip to England when I > > *didn't* get to see HW, and so settled for the British Museum > > instead :-) > > > > -- > > > > | | /\ > > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > > | | / > > The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so > > many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to > > represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. > > - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 23 06:44:19 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:44:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <30613703.1109153931196.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On 23-Feb-2005 10:18, Stephe Lindas wrote: > Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no historian, but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of Sarmatian and German descent, rather than Italian? As far as can be told, post-Roman Britain received a fair deal of immigration from the European coasts of the North Sea -- the areas that are today the Netherlands, Friesland, northern Germany, and Jutland. Most of these immigrants probably spoke dialects of a language ancestral to those lanugages still spoken in those regions today (Dutch, Frisan, Low German, etc.). Parts of Northern Germany are known as a "Saxony" in English (German "Sachsen"), and there are still many in this region who speak Niederdeutsch (or Plattdeutsch), a Germanic language more closely related to English than Standard High German (Hochdeutsch). Dutch (Nederlands) is also closer to English than is Hochdeutsch, though English's closest relative is Frisan (with relatively few speakers today, but not yet extinct). In reality, what we think of as "Old English" was probably created through a bit of a mish-mashing of features from the various dialects of "North Sea Germanic" -- which were probably very similar anyway, at least mostly mutually inteligible -- sifted and leveled over time until we see written Old English. Imagine, for example, if you took the populations of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark (whose various languages and dialects have a lot of similarity), moved them to Mars, and mixed them all together in a bubble-city :) You might end up with common language that clearly originated in the current Scandinavian lanugages, perhaps with more from Swedish since there are more Swedish speakers than Danish or Norwegian speakers, but that was not clearly descended from a single particular Scandinavian language. (Probably a good sci-fi novel there ;) So it's not really right to say that Old English is "German", but it's much easier to see the relation between Modern English and Modern German when you see it through the medium of Old English. English lost a lot of its German-looking grammar in the course of the Viking Age (absorbing influences from Old Norse) and particularly after the Norman Conquest (gaining lots of French vocabulary and losing yet more German-style grammar. Thanks to all these changes, by the time you get to the later Middle Ages, English is starting to look _reasonably_ comprehensible to the modern speaker: In 1385, John Trevisa wrote: > Also Englischmen, theigh hy hadde fram the beginning three maner speche > -- Southeron, Northeron, and Middel speche in the middel of the lond, > as hy come of three maner people of Germania -- notheles by commixstion > and melling, furst with Danes and afterward with Normans, in many the > contray longage is apeired, and som useth strange wlaffyng, chytering, > harryng, and garryng grisbittyng. And then soon you get on to Shakespeare, who -- apart from using words like "wherefore" when we would use "why" -- is pretty straightforward. Mmmm, must stop off-topic ramblings! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Feb 23 07:03:21 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:03:21 +0000 Subject: HW: "Silver Machine" in OE (was Re: Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <002401c5190f$2e39c930$8080a8c0@ratsauce.local> Message-ID: On 22-Feb-2005 18:49, Hawkfan wrote: > Thanks, I've been looking for an Anglo Saxon translation of Silver Machine > for ages. Mmmm ... how about "Seolforcr?ft"? :) Off the top of my head: Ic ... ?r rad genam ... on seolforcr?fte ... to o?ere healfe ??s roderes .... Ic ah ... seolforcr?fte! Ic ah ... seolforcr?fte! Mmmm, not sure about all the grammar there, and it doesn't rhyme any more, but hey .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Feb 23 14:20:40 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:20:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Dr. T. wrote: > Looks like new re-vamped Farflung web site too, and some new news there > (comp collection releases coming). > > Already ordered the new one from amazony Sorry to ignore almost all your content here, but where is this Farflung website of which you speak? Has Tommy finally got the old domain off Buck McGibbony? Or do you mean www.farflung.org? Only i have to tell you, the news page there hasn't been modified since December 2003 and I don't believe any of those plans have come to anything... I heard about the new Anubian Lights because a track from it got played on the no-longer-actually-John-Peel show on Radio 1 not so long ago and someone I knew was listening and alerted me to new happenings. Seems like that's all Tommy's doing these days? Which is a real shame as (and here I agree with you) his brand of spacerock is very much one of the few directions in which the whole genre is still moving... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Feb 24 07:37:59 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:37:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, 23 Feb, Cambridge UK In-Reply-To: <20050218234655.GG6202@telepres.com> Message-ID: On 18-Feb-2005 23:46, Eric Siegerman wrote: > Come to think of it, Dave and Al(i|an) and Richard play in a band > with guys from the office too :-) They even based an album title > on it... Hmmm, yes, and there's Brock's "In the Office" (mutating into "Treadmill") as well! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG Thu Feb 24 07:47:39 2005 From: ianjeffcock at PACIFIC.NET.SG (Ian Jeffcock) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:47:39 +0800 Subject: HW: Xmas single In-Reply-To: <200502231000.j1NA0BLB016670@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: That Xmas CD is a bit of a tough one to get, especially if like me you live outside of the UK. So I too have sent my cheque off for one, but its not long since I sent it. Getting my Hawkwind Passport was the first hurdle to overcome. Figuring out the stamped addressed envelope was a bit of a tough one. I suppose I could have used an international reply coupon, but opted to wait until I was in the UK to sort it out. Then it was quite tough to decide how many stamps to put on the envelope to get it sent back to Singapore. Anyway, my Hawkwind Passport did arrive a couple of weeks back and very nice it is too. Was worth the effort. So, waiting for my Xmas CD now! Do wish mission control would make it a bit easier for overseas fans and wish they'd get around to re-issuing that Passport only Hawkwind 1997 CD too. Been looking for that one for ages now, to no avail. Anyone on the list prepared to blag a copy of it for me until I can lay my hands on an original? Cheers, Ian. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 24 09:12:14 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:12:14 GMT Subject: HW: Xmas single In-Reply-To: Ian Jeffcock's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:47:39 +0800 Message-ID: Ian Jeffcock writes: > Do wish mission control would make it a bit easier for overseas fans and > wish they'd get around to re-issuing that Passport only Hawkwind 1997 CD too. > Been looking for that one for ages now, to no avail. Anyone on the list > prepared to > blag a copy of it for me until I can lay my hands on an original? I've seen that one on Ebay quite recently. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 24 10:38:00 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:38:00 GMT Subject: The Last Trump Message-ID: The hallucinations have finally stopped thank God. There's nothing quite like the adrenaline rush of having your entire life racing through the brainpan at maximum speed in the microsecond it has left to beat the buckshot before it rends the gray matter into mincemeat. It feels like Dennis Hopper at the end of Apocalypse Now, only The Horror lasts a lifetime as The Edge is finally illuminated, and clearly Behind. Those were fast weird days and we worked in fast weird ways. This reporter is proud to have stood in the ranks of the desperate and the doomed clawing the eyeballs of the enemy from their sockets even as their hellish minions rolled over us and left us for dead. Perhaps potent psychedelics and ballistic weaponry don't mix, but we are after all professionals, and this final trip must not go unreported. Judgement beckons at the Big Guy's house, though surely being forced to relive the Age of Nixon in one's dying second is cruel and unusual punishment enough. There is of course the hope that feeding five sheets of high-powered blotter acid to Pat Buchanan at the Superbowl, and having him pray for our salvation right there on the 49 yard line, will occasion some degree of leniency, but perhaps this was, in the end, not enough. If I'm to spend eternity in Hell, then I'll head for the deepmost pit where not even the lawyers and the pols have to serve their time. There I'll find Richard Nixon undergoing countless kinds of unholy torture. I'm going to find him and I'm going to gnaw on his bones... Climbing the celestial stairs to discover whether one's name appears on God's Own Enemies List, it behooves us to consider Things Left Undone, and whether the realms of the not entirely dead will let us watch them on TV. First there's Kenny Lay and his fellow greedheads who the nation's business schools conspired to release upon America like a horde of rampaging Visigoths. As the best and the brightest lie bankrupt and bleeding, it's sobering to consider that not one of these ratfaced vultures has been sent down to share a cell with Bubba. Perhaps the Last Trump will sound and they'll be dragged gibbering and screaming by wild dogs to their place of execution, with Dick Cheyney carrying the cross. Faced with crimes of this magnitude, only a return to this older and atavistic tradition will suffice to cleanse us of our sins. Then there's the bastard son of George Herbert Walker Bush. Just what did Iraq ever do to that family? Did Saddam torture and defenestrate the family dog, finally drinking its blood? Even the kuru-infected cannibals on the Republican National Committee should have seen that some ancient Biblical curse hangs over the zombified corpses of the Bush sons. When I said I didn't advocate violence, drugs and insanity, I had them specifically in mind. Some people are just not ready for that sort of enlightenment and there's some lizard place way down in the cerebellum, which once awoken, will not rest easily without repeated blood sacrifice. How else to explain their savage and unwanton glee at splattering the pictures of Saddam's own dead sons on the front pages of a cowed and craven fourth estate. But the Daisycutters for Democracy Movement is as nothing compared to the rending of the Constitution and the visitation of wrath upon the American people. The Committee To Reelect The President itself must be in awe of the sheer bravuda of shills like Ashcroft and Gonzales. The People Must Be Safe, and where safer than hauling them off to jail without even the token effort required to trump up a charge. Speaking of which, there's a guy with wings and a clipboard coming over. "Hi Pete!" Now where's that ugly Samoan sumbitch who masquerades as my Lawyer? This is Thomas.S.Hunterson, signing off. From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Feb 24 11:28:40 2005 From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:28:40 -0500 Subject: The Last Trump Message-ID: >>> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK 2/24/2005 10:38:00 AM >>> [snip] Mike, you definitely ARE the man! Thanks so very much for sharing! theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Feb 24 17:47:36 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:47:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: EricBloom.net In-Reply-To: <000f01c516ea$70109360$0a00000a@studybox> <1f1.35cbfaa1.2f491f23@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote: > has anybody subscribed to Eric's site? > I love BOC and am a fan of Eric's, but still, $50 is $50, [...] On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 01:20:59AM -0000, Tony wrote: > At least with the Buck Dharma site, you paid $150 but you got [...] I thought these guys were in a band *together*. Geez! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Feb 24 18:03:25 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:25 -0000 Subject: Sorry! test Message-ID: my mail has gone wierd. This is a test jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Feb 24 18:08:09 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe Lindas) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:08:09 -0500 Subject: Sorry! test Message-ID: Hi Jill, Works here. Cheers Stephe ---- Jill Strobridge wrote: > my mail has gone wierd. This is a test > > jill > ====================================== > Jill Strobridge > ====================================== From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Feb 25 00:19:12 2005 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:19:12 EST Subject: Anubian Lights Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/05 1:48:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > I like their new album. It's like a space rock in mainstream clothes. I hope > this will help them to reach charts and radios. Still lots of these swirly > sounds and spacey feeling like on Let not The Flame die out. The vocals of > Adele are superb. > My fave song is Bhajan (though with Tommy on lead vox :)). fucking great news, i'd been wondering... chuck From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Feb 24 22:20:02 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:20:02 -0500 Subject: Sorry! test Message-ID: ...we control the vertical...we control the horizontal...do not attempt to adjust your mail...do do do do, do do do do... Jill Strobridge wrote: > > my mail has gone wierd. This is a test > > jill > ====================================== > Jill Strobridge > ====================================== From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 25 11:59:13 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:59:13 -0500 Subject: The Last Trump Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:38:00 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >This is Thomas.S.Hunterson, signing off. Terrific effort Mike, really deserves a wider audience. Maybe you should send it off... somewhere... anyone have an idea where? Nick From coral at APORT.RU Fri Feb 25 13:02:19 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:02:19 +0300 Subject: The Last Trump Message-ID: True. Maybe messageboards? > Terrific effort Mike, really deserves a wider audience. Maybe you should > send it off... somewhere... anyone have an idea where? > > Nick > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Feb 25 14:23:38 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:23:38 -0500 Subject: The Last Trump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 11:59:13AM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > Terrific effort Mike, really deserves a wider audience. Well, I've started :-) It's been forwarded to a few friends & relations already.... > Maybe you should > send it off... somewhere... anyone have an idea where? The Onion? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 25 14:51:12 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:51:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Battersea (was Re: Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <20050223013717.GC27736@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Eric Siegerman wrote: > Heh. I had a similar experience, coming into London for my first > time, very early in the morning on the overnight train from > Frankfurt via the Oostende/Folkestone ferry. I had no idea of > the geography of the place, but happened to see a graffito -- > DOGS OWN HOME BATTERSEA. No clue what that meant, but "Cool, the > power station's gotta be around here someplace!" I thought, and > started looking eagerly around for it. Sure enough, there it > was. No pig, but still... My guess... The other thing that Battersea is famous for is its lost dogs' home. You can see this from that train journey too, soon after you pass by the power station on the same side, but being as it's only a collection of corrugated iron sheds it's not quite so impressive. I suspect the graffito is a parody of phrases like "Yorkshire: God's own county" that we sometimes get bandied around here. Along the lines of the joke about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who used to lie awake at night wondering if there really was a Dog. > > Wreck of a place [...] > > Well they're fixing it up now, looks like. And even a few years > ago (end of 2000, I think), Cirque du Soleil had taken up > residence. Yeah, they got it back together a while back but I'm not sure it's currently safe. Still: it's the sort of place that should clearly become a fortress if London ever falls apart in Moorcockian dystopia :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL Fri Feb 25 15:54:33 2005 From: arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL (Arjan Hulsebos) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:54:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <421C6C93.40306@carlaz.com> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 23-Feb-2005 10:18, Stephe Lindas wrote: > >> Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no historian, >> but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of Sarmatian and >> German descent, rather than Italian? > > > As far as can be told, post-Roman Britain received a fair deal of > immigration from the European coasts of the North Sea -- the areas that > are today the Netherlands, Friesland, northern Germany, and Jutland. Well, a couple of things happened after the collapse of the Roman empire. First, there was the invasion of the Huns, causing a continent-wide migration towards the west. Then there were the Vikings. Then the French invaded England in 1066. All of them left their marks in the English language as we know it. > Most of these immigrants probably spoke dialects of a language ancestral > to those lanugages still spoken in those regions today (Dutch, Frisan, > Low German, etc.). Parts of Northern Germany are known as a "Saxony" in > English (German "Sachsen"), and there are still many in this region who > speak Niederdeutsch (or Plattdeutsch), a Germanic language more closely > related to English than Standard High German (Hochdeutsch). Dutch > (Nederlands) is also closer to English than is Hochdeutsch, though > English's closest relative is Frisan (with relatively few speakers > today, but not yet extinct). As a matter of fact, an odd 10 different tongues (languages/dialects/whatever, the difference between them is rather arbitrary) are spoken in the Netherlands alone, and they can differ from one another quite substantially. I bet the same holds true for northern Germany and Denmark. Dutch is closer to German than to English, especially syntactically. That's not surprising, as both Dutch and German branched off from mediaeval Plattdeutsch. I've read a bit of "das Nibelungenlied", which was written around 1200, and found it to read almost like an old Dutch dialect. > In reality, what we think of as "Old English" was probably created > through a bit of a mish-mashing of features from the various dialects of > "North Sea Germanic" -- which were probably very similar anyway, at > least mostly mutually inteligible -- sifted and leveled over time until > we see written Old English. .... with a bit of Norse added to it, and a large dose of Latin/French. Almost no Celtic left, as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). I always wind English native speakers up by saying that English is a creole language. An old one, but creole nevertheless. ;-) > Mmmm, must stop off-topic ramblings! :) As long as the on-topic/off-topic ratio is pretty high, these ramblings can be fun. Gr, Arjan H From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 25 18:14:24 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:14:24 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <20050223021225.GD27736@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Eric Siegerman wrote: > What makes me ask is that the Anglo-Saxon King Aelfred the Great > had a ring, whose inscription said something like "Aelfred mec > haet gewyrcan", "Aelfred had me made". Well, "wyrc" must be > "work", but the rest -- word order, affixes, the "ae"s, the "c" > in "mec" -- is all far more Deutch than English. That ring gave > me quite a shock when I saw it (on my one trip to England when I > *didn't* get to see HW, and so settled for the British Museum > instead :-) It's called the Alfred Jewel, and no-one's quite sure what it is. You can see it here: http://www.mirror.org/ken.roberts/alfred.jewel.html You can see from that it has a socket at the lower end; it may as that page says have been the head of a stick used as a bookmark, possibly the head of a (quite narrow!) staff, and so on. Carl's covered the phonology far better than I would have so that only leaves me the archaeology. Imagine if we used our powers for good! Or something... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Feb 25 18:45:30 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:45:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Julian Cope on Hawkwind, stones and other wonders Message-ID: Now that my email has come back to life again - Here are a couple of paragraphs culled from a somewhat rambling (though it does contain the wonderful comment "If you really want to just go wooo, and explore your inner moron: go to Sardinia") interview with Julian Cope in this month's British Archaeology magazine. "I think megaliths took over my life because they were specifically not a part of my life. My musical background was totally punk: we always thought Hawkwind [at Stonehenge festivals] were hippies. I'd been loathe to explore the Stonehenge route because of its modern context. I like Hawkwind as people - we sold them acid, a real coals to Newcastle claim! - but my band [Teardrop Explodes] had grown up with American West Coast bands, like the Grateful Dead, who were really smart, so you could never dismiss them as dirty hippies. It was almost like a Damascus conversion. I was a big acid freak. Gurdjieff sent me to the stones. Looking back we were just refuseniks because of what it had come to stand for. The whole of the Manchester-Liverpool punk scene was actually very very into ancient culture." The full article is probably on the website at www.britarch.ac.uk/ba if anyone wants to read the whole thing! jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Feb 26 10:36:33 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:36:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke Message-ID: Anyone else go to KJ's 25th anniversary gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire? I was there last night, and they were phenomenal. Really, absolutely, totally incredible. It might just be the best gig I've ever been to. I've seen them before and they were good, but nothing like that. Last night they just seemed to be on another plane. Anyone else go? I'd love to know what other people's experiences were. I was gobsmacked to hear someone on the Tube afterwards dismissing it as "too contrived", I thought it was anything but. It was being filmed and I think a DVD release is planned. Nick From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Feb 26 11:00:14 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:14 -0000 Subject: Killing Joke Message-ID: Line-up and set-list for that one, Nick? Really fancied going but couldn't find the time away from work! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: OFF: Killing Joke > Anyone else go to KJ's 25th anniversary gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire? I was > there last night, and they were phenomenal. Really, absolutely, totally > incredible. It might just be the best gig I've ever been to. I've seen them > before and they were good, but nothing like that. Last night they just > seemed to be on another plane. Anyone else go? I'd love to know what other > people's experiences were. I was gobsmacked to hear someone on the Tube > afterwards dismissing it as "too contrived", I thought it was anything but. > It was being filmed and I think a DVD release is planned. > > Nick > From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Feb 26 12:38:01 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:38:01 -0500 Subject: Killing Joke Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:14 -0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: >Line-up and set-list for that one, Nick? Line-up: Jaz, Geordie, Raven, keyboard player whose name escapes me (think it was the same guy who played on the 2003 tour), plus a new drummer- now they haven't really had a regular drummer for many years now, various luminaries like Martin Atkins, Ted Parsons, and Dave Grohl have done the honours, but this guy tops them all. I didn't catch his name but a look round the KJ site suggests it may be Ben Calvert (no relation I assume). What I did hear was Jaz introducing him as "the baby" and saying he's only 22. An absolutely amazing drummer, huge pounding tribal beats played with great skill and power, *exactly* right for KJ. The set was something like this, I may have missed one out somwhere, and the order may be off, but this is more or less right, note the seven, yes seven, encores: Communion Wardance Song And Dance Primitive Total Invasion Frenzy We Have Joy Empire Song Asteroid Bloodsport Requiem Blood On Your Hands The Wait Whiteout Pssyche ------------------ Darkness Before Dawn Pandys Are Coming Change Sun Goes Down Are You Receiving? Love Like Blood Pandemonium What can I say, it was amazing. I've never heard Jaz sound like this, in fact live I've usually found his vocals a bit disappointing compared to the albums, but last night he had every angle from the melodic to the ferocious completely covered. Right up in the mix too, lyrics audible throughout. The played for a long time, 2hrs 15mins by my reckoning. Somehow they hit a massive peak of intensity almost immediately and then just sustained it for the duration. Huge churning guitar noise over a relentless pounding backline, savage stuff I tell you. Jaz out the front twitching and shaking like a shaman. "Intense" doesn't even come close. I read on one of the KJ sites that they or their manager have tightened up a lot on the backstage partying with fans before and after the gigs, apparently because the 2003 tour featured too many half-wasted performances. Thinking back to the Astoria gig in '03, it was good but certainly the band didn't have anything like this level of focus and intensity. In fact I'm not sure I've *ever* seen a band play at this level of intensity. Even though I've liked KJ for many years, I never quite expected anything like last night. Nick From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat Feb 26 17:17:22 2005 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:17:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, I was at both nights (just got home)... amazing both times, but Friday just went off the scale! The last couple of years has seen them at a peak again, no doubt about it. And long may it continue! If this gig in Egypt actually happens, I'm there! :-) Dave At 10:36 26/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone else go to KJ's 25th anniversary gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire? I was >there last night, and they were phenomenal. Really, absolutely, totally >incredible. It might just be the best gig I've ever been to. I've seen them >before and they were good, but nothing like that. Last night they just >seemed to be on another plane. Anyone else go? I'd love to know what other >people's experiences were. I was gobsmacked to hear someone on the Tube >afterwards dismissing it as "too contrived", I thought it was anything but. >It was being filmed and I think a DVD release is planned. > >Nick From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Feb 27 11:04:43 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:04:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Killing Joke Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:17:22 +0000, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: >Yeah, I was at both nights (just got home)... amazing both times, but >Friday just went off the scale! It was amazing, I'm still digesting it. By the way I missed out a couple from the setlist I posted yesterday, they also played Empire Song and Complications, so make that nine encores. Just been listening to Revelations on the old 'phones. In the past I've always felt it was one of their weaker albums but now I seem to have a whole new angle on their music and suddenly most of it sounds terrific. Chop-Chop is brilliant. I think I'm going to have to revisit all their old albums and listen to them afresh, I haven't heard some of this stuff for years, and it seems to have improved with age. Nick From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Feb 27 11:55:14 2005 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:55:14 -0000 Subject: Killing Joke Message-ID: Thanks for the info Nick - *great* review! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Killing Joke > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:14 -0000, Ian Abrahams > wrote: > > >Line-up and set-list for that one, Nick? > > Line-up: Jaz, Geordie, Raven, keyboard player whose name escapes me (think > it was the same guy who played on the 2003 tour), plus a new drummer- now > they haven't really had a regular drummer for many years now, various > luminaries like Martin Atkins, Ted Parsons, and Dave Grohl have done the > honours, but this guy tops them all. I didn't catch his name but a look > round the KJ site suggests it may be Ben Calvert (no relation I assume). > What I did hear was Jaz introducing him as "the baby" and saying he's only > 22. An absolutely amazing drummer, huge pounding tribal beats played with > great skill and power, *exactly* right for KJ. > > The set was something like this, I may have missed one out somwhere, and the > order may be off, but this is more or less right, note the seven, yes seven, > encores: > > Communion > Wardance > Song And Dance > Primitive > Total Invasion > Frenzy > We Have Joy > Empire Song > Asteroid > Bloodsport > Requiem > Blood On Your Hands > The Wait > Whiteout > Pssyche > > ------------------ > Darkness Before Dawn > Pandys Are Coming > Change > Sun Goes Down > Are You Receiving? > Love Like Blood > Pandemonium > > What can I say, it was amazing. I've never heard Jaz sound like this, in > fact live I've usually found his vocals a bit disappointing compared to the > albums, but last night he had every angle from the melodic to the ferocious > completely covered. Right up in the mix too, lyrics audible throughout. > > The played for a long time, 2hrs 15mins by my reckoning. Somehow they hit a > massive peak of intensity almost immediately and then just sustained it for > the duration. Huge churning guitar noise over a relentless pounding > backline, savage stuff I tell you. Jaz out the front twitching and shaking > like a shaman. "Intense" doesn't even come close. > > I read on one of the KJ sites that they or their manager have tightened up a > lot on the backstage partying with fans before and after the gigs, > apparently because the 2003 tour featured too many half-wasted performances. > Thinking back to the Astoria gig in '03, it was good but certainly the band > didn't have anything like this level of focus and intensity. In fact I'm not > sure I've *ever* seen a band play at this level of intensity. Even though > I've liked KJ for many years, I never quite expected anything like last night. > > Nick > From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Sun Feb 27 14:50:27 2005 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:50:27 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've posted some photos from Salisbury 20 April 2004 on my website, which is very slowly creeping along.... http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind.htm KevinSommers From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Feb 27 14:59:55 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:59:55 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos In-Reply-To: <000001c51d05$95df2b80$0b271418@automind> Message-ID: Great pics Kevin!!! Thanks!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Kevin Sommers Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos I've posted some photos from Salisbury 20 April 2004 on my website, which is very slowly creeping along.... http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind.htm KevinSommers From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 27 16:56:25 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:56:25 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <30613703.1109153931196.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Stephe Lindas wrote: > Hi Eric, Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no > historian, but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of > Sarmatian and German descent, rather than Italian? Cheers Stephe The Roman army in Britain certainly had a lot of Germanic auxiliaries, we have a fourth-century document recording the disposition of the Roman forces c. 380 which makes this clear and archaeologists have found stuff which they reckon these people wore (though of course this is rather hard to prove from methodologies that amount to `it looks a bit like it came from Germany'). What's recently been found to be lacking is, apart from possibly at Wroxeter, any continuity between this Germanic settlement and the subsequent one. Obviously the idea of solkdiers going native is a good one, and it surely must have happened; but it's not so far been possible to find any place bar Wroxeter where such forces may have based which then turned into an Anglo-Saxon settlement. This is puzzling a fair few people. Um, anyway! Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Hawkwind 1997_ (I forget who was after this but the band should really make more, it's not half bad). -- Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun, So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice." (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Feb 27 21:04:37 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:04:37 EST Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Thanks kev...great shots! Best regards, Bill From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Feb 28 05:06:36 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:06:36 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations February 2005 Issue Online Now!!! Message-ID: NOTE: I?m sure a lot of you were expecting reviews in this issue, but even being a month late there was no way to get caught up. I?m going to try and do an update in the next couple months, but my top priority for March is going to be completing the new e-commerce mail order catalog and getting it stocked. Believe me, you?ll all love it when it?s ready. http://Aural-Innovations.com FEBRUARY 2005 ISSUE OF AURAL INNOVATIONS ONLINE NOW The February 2005 issue (#30) of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers Space Rock, Psychedelia, Stoner Rock and Electronic music. See the index of this issue's contents below. The February 2005 issue of Aural Innovations includes: Alien Dream review and interview Mary Newsletter review and interview Hawkwind - "Sonic Assassins" (book review) Here's to Crime (Hard Case Crime Series synopses) Live Recordings & Shows Recent Releases from Strange Attactors Audio House Releases from Nasoni Records Recent Releases from Small Stone Records Recent Releases from Molten Records Releases from Taped Rug Productions Recent Releases from Lithiq Releases from Musea Records And loads of reviews!!! You can go directly to the new issue at: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/issue30/issue30.html http://Aural-Innovations.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 28 06:07:58 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:07:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) In-Reply-To: <421F9089.3040003@wolfpack.nl> Message-ID: On 25-Feb-2005 20:54, Arjan Hulsebos wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> On 23-Feb-2005 10:18, Stephe Lindas wrote: >>> Would the Saxon part of Anglo-saxon, not be German? I'm no historian, >>> but weren't alot of the Romans that occupied Briton of Sarmatian and >>> German descent, rather than Italian? >> >> As far as can be told, post-Roman Britain received a fair deal of >> immigration from the European coasts of the North Sea -- the areas that >> are today the Netherlands, Friesland, northern Germany, and Jutland. > > Well, a couple of things happened after the collapse of the Roman > empire. First, there was the invasion of the Huns, causing a > continent-wide migration towards the west. Then there were the Vikings. > Then the French invaded England in 1066. All of them left their marks in > the English language as we know it. For those not already overly well versed in these topics, it might be emphasized that the Hunnic incursion took place on the continent (not actually in Britain) and that the activities of the Vikings and Normans in Britain took place a number of centuries after the end of the Roman presence. > Dutch is closer to German than to English, especially syntactically. > That's not surprising, as both Dutch and German branched off from > mediaeval Plattdeutsch. I've read a bit of "das Nibelungenlied", which > was written around 1200, and found it to read almost like an old Dutch > dialect. Indeed. And English is closer to Plattdeutsch than it is to Hochdeutsch. >> In reality, what we think of as "Old English" was probably created >> through a bit of a mish-mashing of features from the various dialects of >> "North Sea Germanic" -- which were probably very similar anyway, at >> least mostly mutually inteligible -- sifted and leveled over time until >> we see written Old English. > > .... with a bit of Norse added to it, and a large dose of Latin/French. > Almost no Celtic left, as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). Well, once you add the influence of Norse and French, it's no longer considered Old English, but rather Middle English! Of course, there are no firm lines between "Old" and "Middle" in reality, but when we talk about "Old English" we're usually really talking about the form of written English (there being few audio recordings from this period ;) that predates the Norman Conquest (and that actually shows relatively limited influence from Norse; the Norse influence really becomes apparent in the Middle English sources, though clearly it must have been banging around, if seldom evidenced in writing, during the Old English period). > I always wind English native speakers up by saying that English is a > creole language. An old one, but creole nevertheless. ;-) ;) Scholars first advanced the "Middle English is a creole" argument in the 70s, I think. One can see the logic behind the idea, but then people often throw around terms like "creole" without defining them too carefully. I think the majority opinion is that if one defines a creole such that Middle English is one, then quite a lot of other languages also become creoles. After all, even the European Romance languages have quite large numbers of learned borrowings from Latin (that is, borrowings made into the literary language by educated speakers rather than words evolving naturally from a Latin original through everyday use -- sometimes a particular Latin word will have both a "naturally evolved" descendant and a "learnedly borrowed" descendant in a daughter language. Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible in absorbing vocabulary from just about anything it can find :) There's rather less direct influence from other languages on its functional grammar, though. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Feb 28 06:18:27 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:18:27 +0000 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27-Feb-2005 21:56, Jon Jarrett wrote: > What's recently been found to be lacking is, > apart from possibly at Wroxeter, any continuity between this Germanic > settlement and the subsequent one. Obviously the idea of solkdiers going > native is a good one, and it surely must have happened; but it's not so > far been possible to find any place bar Wroxeter where such forces may > have based which then turned into an Anglo-Saxon settlement. This is > puzzling a fair few people. Maybe it turned out that a good place for an auxiliary garrison was just not a good place for a farming settlement? Perhaps once the imperial pay cheques were no longer coming in, the soldiers decided to "get out of town" and set up somewhere else? Unsupported speculation 'R' us! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Feb 28 09:36:18 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:36:18 EST Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Who did the light show at these shows? best regards, Bill Stewart From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 09:50:41 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:50:41 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: That would be Chaos Illumination, or Marie, John and myself. The photos show it up quite well too, I'm impressed, well done Kevin, you obviously know NOT to use the flash! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > Who did the light show at these shows? > > best regards, > Bill Stewart From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Mon Feb 28 10:33:24 2005 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:33:24 -0600 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) Message-ID: > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible > in absorbing > vocabulary from just about anything it can find :) English - the Borg of languages. :-) Frank Sorry, I couldn't resist - we now return you to your regularly scheduled day. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Feb 28 10:46:04 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:46:04 -0500 Subject: Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 11:14:24PM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > It's called the Alfred Jewel, and no-one's quite sure what it > is. You can see it here: > http://www.mirror.org/ken.roberts/alfred.jewel.html Cool! Thanks for the pointer. (Clearly I was rather misremembering things -- both the inscription and the object itself. Well, it's been 20 years.... It *was* at the BM though, as part of a big exhibit on Anglo-Saxon art -- presumably on loan from the Ashmolean.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From coral at APORT.RU Mon Feb 28 10:27:24 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:27:24 +0300 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Did you do the lights on concert at Amsterdam in 2003 as well? It was very psychedelic. Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chaosillumination" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > That would be Chaos Illumination, or Marie, John and myself. > > The photos show it up quite well too, I'm impressed, well done Kevin, you > obviously know NOT to use the flash! > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > > > > Who did the light show at these shows? > > > > best regards, > > Bill Stewart > From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 11:22:55 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:22:55 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Unfortunately we were unable to get time off work to go to this gig ourselves, but it was our equipment (well, some of it) that was taken over and operated by Mr Dibs capable hands. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alisa" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > Did you do the lights on concert at Amsterdam in 2003 as well? > > It was very psychedelic. > > Alisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chaosillumination" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > > >> That would be Chaos Illumination, or Marie, John and myself. >> >> The photos show it up quite well too, I'm impressed, well done Kevin, you >> obviously know NOT to use the flash! >> >> Neil >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:36 PM >> Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos >> >> >> > Who did the light show at these shows? >> > >> > best regards, >> > Bill Stewart >> From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 11:26:25 2005 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:26:25 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Alisa wrote: > Did you do the lights on concert at Amsterdam in 2003 as well? > > It was very psychedelic. Neil supplied the projectors and strobes. Mr Dibs operated them. cheers, Keef From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 11:37:51 2005 From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:37:51 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Keef should have been helping operate the lights too, but he had some sneaky excuse of playing guitar instead!!! :-)) Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > Alisa wrote: > >> Did you do the lights on concert at Amsterdam in 2003 as well? >> >> It was very psychedelic. > > Neil supplied the projectors and strobes. Mr Dibs operated them. > > cheers, > > Keef From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Feb 28 12:01:33 2005 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:01:33 EST Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos Message-ID: Hi neil, Are you guys doing the Spring tour? Bill From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Mon Feb 28 13:27:07 2005 From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:27:07 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos In-Reply-To: <010c01c51da4$df945710$0100a8c0@neil64bit> Message-ID: Thanks, I do own a flash, but it gets very infrequent use, and NEVER at concerts. And I've added a few more photos which show off the light show. The site is partly meant to be an online portfolio of my images, which is going to get more of an update after I return from Leicester (http://www.binar.co.uk/) in a couple of weeks.... Kevin -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Chaosillumination Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 6:51 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos That would be Chaos Illumination, or Marie, John and myself. The photos show it up quite well too, I'm impressed, well done Kevin, you obviously know NOT to use the flash! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos > Who did the light show at these shows? > > best regards, > Bill Stewart From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Feb 28 13:38:51 2005 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:38:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Spring 2004 photos In-Reply-To: <010c01c51da4$df945710$0100a8c0@neil64bit> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 02:50:41PM -0000, Chaosillumination wrote: > That would be Chaos Illumination, or Marie, John and myself. And some fine work it is, too! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus. - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum" From zim594j at TNINET.SE Mon Feb 28 14:08:45 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:08:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Moor homepage In-Reply-To: <20050228183851.GC20052@telepres.com> Message-ID: Well, I would like to invite You all to our homepage Moorbase Alpha http://web.telia.com/~u51502055/ and I would especially like to point You to our soundpage, apart from The Moor there are some goodies there for Nik and Chrome fans. Kenneth From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Feb 28 14:38:29 2005 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:38:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:07:58 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible in absorbing >vocabulary from just about anything it can find :) With the most recent large-scale absorbtion probably being from Hindu during the 18th/19th-century occupation of India (thug, pundit, etc.)? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 16:40:37 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:40:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) Message-ID: Seems to have come full circle then! Since I understand that Sanskrit is the closest there is to a root language for all the Indo-European languages including Celtic. Celtic of course evolving into two families British/Welsh/Breton(& Cornish? - can't remember offhand) and Irish/Scottish gaelic. Admittedly very little (if any) British/Welsh gaelic has survived into spoken English but I think that British 'P' Celtic/Gaelic associations can still be found in place and landscape names - though mostly in the West. To be honest I need a placename directory or something to be able to give convincing examples but I'd suggest Penrith is one. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:07:58 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson > > wrote: >>Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible in >>absorbing >>vocabulary from just about anything it can find :) > > With the most recent large-scale absorbtion probably being from > Hindu > during the 18th/19th-century occupation of India (thug, pundit, > etc.)? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 28 17:32:34 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:32:34 -0000 Subject: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) > Seems to have come full circle then! Since I understand that > Sanskrit is the closest there is to a root language for all the > Indo-European languages including Celtic. Celtic of course > evolving into two families British/Welsh/Breton(& Cornish? - can't > remember offhand) and Irish/Scottish gaelic. Admittedly very > little (if any) British/Welsh gaelic has survived into spoken > English but I think that British 'P' Celtic/Gaelic associations can > still be found in place and landscape names - though mostly in the > West. To be honest I need a placename directory or something to > be able to give convincing examples but I'd suggest Penrith is one. > > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Pearson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: English (was Mountain Grill) > > >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:07:58 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson >> >> wrote: >>>Still, as languages go, English has been extremely flexible in >>>absorbing >>>vocabulary from just about anything it can find :) >> >> With the most recent large-scale absorbtion probably being from >> Hindu >> during the 18th/19th-century occupation of India (thug, pundit, >> etc.)? >> >> -Doug >> jasret at mindspring.com >> >> > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 28 17:36:01 2005 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:36:01 -0000 Subject: Aural Innovations review Ron Tree/Judge Trev album Message-ID: Here it is: http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue30/moab01.html Trev REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum, Chat, Healers AND THERE CAME THE BEASTS AND KINGS WITH THEIR ARMIES AND THEIR CAPTAINS TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM UPON THE HORSE AND TO MAKE WAR WITH HIS ARMIES AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE HE WAS CROWNED WITH MANY CROWNS AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE JUDGES AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE WAGES WAR http://www.judgetrev.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Feb 28 18:22:22 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:22:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Litmus Gigs Message-ID: Just a reminder that Litmus have 2 gigs coming up this week: 4th March - The Uplands Tavern, Swansea 5th March - The Rhondda Hotel, Porth The wilds of Wales...oooer! 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