From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 1 04:23:09 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 04:23:09 -0400 Subject: Rock Fever cds...now official??? Message-ID: Hi, i notice that Amazon themselves are now releasing the ASAM/QS&C cd as an OFFICIAL import release on 9th aug 2005.(see page 1 of hawkwind releases on Amazon).Ive spotted them on a few other internet outlets too.These unofficial dodgy releases used to turn up just on Ebay or the "used Amazon Market place"...Surely Amazon wouldnt release what is/was a dodgy unofficial release themselves without permission?!!. Have Hawkwind done some sort of deal with these Rock Fever guys?? Anyone know whats going on..???? Pete From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 1 04:58:10 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:58:10 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 31/07/2005 23:58, Tim wrote: > Of course, there wouldn't be a market for these if the band sold &/or allowed downloads of live concert mp3s on their website; it seems to be showing up more often (even metallica!), and seems like a way for people to get hold of concerts they couldn't go to. Of course, Metallica always allowed audience taping, too, to the best of my recollection .... Soundboard download sales (actually, I'm assuming these things aren't real soundboard recordings, but are at least slightly remixed) are great not just for concerts you couldn't go to, but souvenirs of the ones you did go to :) I bought the muletracks.com download of the Gov't Mule gig I went to in London back in April -- and that's after having downloaded a legal fan-taped copy for free already. I would guess that concert download sales are pretty high margin in comparison to CD releases -- no doubt that the Hawks are missing out on here. Anyway, it already feels like the days of the CD are numbered, doesn't it? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 1 05:01:06 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:01:06 +0100 Subject: Rock Fever cds...now official??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01/08/2005 09:23, Pete J Howe wrote: > Have Hawkwind done some sort of deal with these Rock Fever guys?? Hawkwind?! Does anyone in or even connected to Hawkwind have any rights to the likes of _QS&C_ anymore? That stuff as passed through so many record companies over the last zillion years .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 1 05:02:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:02:54 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <001001c58e38$69a23cc0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Stephe wrote: > Maybe if Nik tried to recreate the Spirit of Sphynx it would be a bit more > interesting. I'd agree, except wasn't that Anubian Lights? Or do we reckon that as several *other* people trying to recreate the spirit of Sphynx? Alarmingly, I suspect that the `new melodic' song Mike reported from the Wickerman gig will have been Sphynx's `Chronological Crime', but that was never exatly `in the spirit' anyway... Yours, Jon ObCD: Ash Ra Tempel - _Ash Ra Tempel_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 1 05:58:06 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:58:06 -0400 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: An eminently sensible approach - fans get what they want (recordings), band get what they want (money), bootleggers get what fans and band want (put out of business). I know for a fact that there is a great desk recording of the Melkweg gig that could be released, as there are of many other gigs from 2002-2004;). You can take a horse to water........ On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:58:20 -0400, Tim wrote: >Of course, there wouldn't be a market for these if the band sold &/or allowed downloads of live concert mp3s on their website; it seems to be showing up more often (even metallica!), and seems like a way for people to get hold of concerts they couldn't go to. >tim 8>)... >Tony wrote: > > > > I really really really can't abide bootleggers who sell live recordings. I > > know there's some kind of dual morality when it comes to people who trade > > live shows but at least traders (normally) trade for the love of the music! > > Strictly for trade - not for sale! If any money is to be made from live > > recordings, it should be by the artists/composers themselves not the scum > > who fleece honest fans! > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC- L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > > Behalf Of Stephe > > Sent: 31 July 2005 22:14 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay > > > > This guy never gives up. > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-MELKWEG- 2003_W0QQitemZ4753364592QQcatego > > ryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HAWKWIND-at-the-LONDON-ASTORIA-XMAS- 04_W0QQitemZ47533650 > > 54QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Aug 1 07:48:54 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:48:54 -0400 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi Jon, Anubian lights/Farflung redid the Sphynx lp, just titled Sphynx instead og Xitintoday. They played a few of the tracks live, but I'm not sure they were trying to re-create Sphynx. Live they played mostly HW material, and few of their own cuts. I'm sure you already know this though. :-) Cheers Stephe > On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Stephe wrote: > >> Maybe if Nik tried to recreate the Spirit of Sphynx it would be a bit >> more >> interesting. > > I'd agree, except wasn't that Anubian Lights? Or do we reckon that > as several *other* people trying to recreate the spirit of Sphynx? > > Alarmingly, I suspect that the `new melodic' song Mike reported > from the Wickerman gig will have been Sphynx's `Chronological Crime', but > that was never exatly `in the spirit' anyway... Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Ash Ra Tempel - _Ash Ra Tempel_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." > London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Aug 1 09:00:47 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:00:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Yet More Cowbell Message-ID: http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/vlc800.html :) Cheers, Carl ps - on the off-chance that it isn't blindingly obvious: yes, they are taking the piss ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 1 14:40:44 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:40:44 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <1122008676.1458.14.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > If I had any idea what Brock Ltd. sounded like these days, I might agree > with you. (Stupid trading policy eliminates any chance of that, > though.) Sure, there have been some glowing reviews lately, but I've > learnt over the years that a lot of hyperbole passes across this list[*] > regarding gigs, so it's best to take things with a handful of salt > before slapping down the $1000... :-) > > [*] Though I have found the esteemed Mr. Jarrett to be brutally reliable > a lot of the time. Brutal, yes, but don't assume I'm reliable until you see the same gig :-) I think I may well have stupidly high standards. I blame the Hawkwind of 1996 and 2001 for setting them. And also Bedouin and Litmus. And the Bevis Frond. And various other bands. Okay, I do sometimes give good reviews. But that's not the point :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Coma Divine_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 1 14:48:24 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:48:24 +0100 Subject: NIK - Space Ritual '94) In-Reply-To: <001101c58eac$76396840$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Stephe wrote: > Hi Drill, The Space ritual from 94, was Nik Turner backed with Helios Creed > and Farflung. Maybe even Del Dettmar. Can't remember without looking it up. Del seems to have been on only parts of the '94 tour, Simon House overlapped with him at a few gigs and was at others where Del wasn't. There's chunks of this live stuff available, most obviously on _Space Ritual 1994_ on Cleopatra, but some more (two tracks and a storming rehearsal take of `Shouldn't Do That' on a compilation called _Sonic Attack 2001_ on Dossier; there's probably more on _Transglobal Friends and Relations_, unless that's all from 95/96, when the band lacked Helios Creed and Genesis P'Orridge but had Doran Shelley from Pressurehed and Alan Powell as drummer number two. > Don't know about a Sphynx video recording. I'd like to get my hands on it, > if it exists. Anyone know about that? I've seen a shitload of ICU stuff > floating around. I think they used to sell Bootlegs of there material at > gigs. The Blood and Bone video is pretty good, but very short. 3 songs. > There used to be free downloads off the ICU website. Not sure if its still > up. Been years since I was there. Cheers Stephe Steve Pond had to take them MP3s off his site, sadly, but Dead Fred has hosted them all anew on . Steve seems to have given up on the ICU ghost, which is a pity but he can hardly do it by himself. Oh well, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Aug 1 15:17:57 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:17:57 +0100 Subject: [OFF] Bavarian Planes (was: NIK: HW: Burg Herzberg etc.) In-Reply-To: <67F2085E-6B6F-4DF2-8367-B92504B12544@pti-inc.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > On 21.07.2005, at 12:29, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > P.P.S. Denis...are those your planes flying over my head here in > > Bavaria every morning? Or are they Ami's? > Depends on where you're exactly. But if the planes are 30-year old > F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than they're definitely ours ;-) Not even G for Germany either ;-( > D'next year we'll get the Eurofighter...'+R They've finally made it into squadron service in Britain, so yours can't be too far behind... Then you only have the first few years' teething troubles while the service gets used to a new plane after the same one for 30 years... > np: Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing" Hopefully not an appropriate title :-) How's that come out, anyway? Any reviews for it? SO far I've only been able to get thumbs up from people who liked the Blackfield album and I found that pretty dispensable, so I'm wondering how much I need this. What's different from _In Absentia_ and what's stayed the same? Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Coma Divine_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 1 18:29:50 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:29:50 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: Maybe I'm being picky here but surely getting as many people as you can to buy an item through two outlets with the pure intention of securing as high a place in the charts as possible is exactly that............not that there's anything wrong with that (to use the words of the immortal Seinfeld). Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Law To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV i am in no way supporting any form of chart rigging > so please read the last statement carefully. From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 1 20:09:07 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:09:07 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Message-ID: That's what they said about vinyl about 17 years ago and look at it - sales of 7 inch singles up 87% while sales of CD singles are down 23 %!! It's the usual thing though - if enough people believe that the CD is dying then it probably becomes a self-fulfiling prophecy until someone realises what's going on and puts the brakes on just in time. You can bet you rbottom dollar that the last thing the music industry wants is the CD to disappear, although it's arguable even there as the costs for Universal, for example, just to have aload of bods in the office puting tracks on websites all day long would no doubt be far preferable than having to worry about "those godawful record shop things"!!!! Dontcha just love "progress" - sadly, it nearly always seems to put technology forst and people last!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay Anyway, it already feels like the days of the CD are numbered, > doesn't it? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 1 20:14:57 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:14:57 +0100 Subject: Rock Fever cds...now official??? Message-ID: Yeh - but if that was the case, could you blame the band for making something by "whatever means necessary" from their own music if it was the only way of getting it out there and making some money from it!! I wouldn't imagine for one minute that this is the case, but it shows what a sorry situation the whole thing has become if classic albums such as this can't get out - although now Sanctuary have bought up the entire rights to the Charisma back catalogue off EMI, it should be interesting in the next 12 months to see what their approach is, as they will now own the rights to all the Hawkwind Charisma label recordings. I guess the story will continue to unfold. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Rock Fever cds...now official??? > On 01/08/2005 09:23, Pete J Howe wrote: > > Have Hawkwind done some sort of deal with these Rock Fever guys?? > > Hawkwind?! Does anyone in or even connected to Hawkwind have any rights > to the likes of _QS&C_ anymore? That stuff as passed through so many > record companies over the last zillion years .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Aug 1 20:39:35 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:39:35 +0100 Subject: Inventive advertising Message-ID: This guy is using ebay to promote the release of the new single!! http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZpigginhogs Good idea, I thought. Mark From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 07:08:50 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Burro Mike wrote: > Hi all, no insightful info here, simply just don't see the spaceritual, QUO > comparison. > As one who enjoys the music of both, I see NIK as NIK, and Quo as Quo..The > only similarity I can find is that they are both, 'Rockin all over the > world' ( sans the US for Quo..they've pretty much given up touring here). > There's just no profit in Quo touring the states, and although it's not too > lucrative for NIK either, his philosophy still brings him to our shores. I > remember speaking with him about it last autum, when we opened for him in > New Jersey...Peace, Mike I can see how a US and UK view would differe reat deal here. When Nik hits the US, you never know hat band he's going to have with him, but some of them, the Grenas/Del Rio/Fox+ combo especially, have been pretty good and more than capable of carrying a show in their own right. I don't know how the gigs with 5:15 as backing went down but I can imagine that too was OK although very different. I don't know Spaceseed at all but those that saw seemed to like. Nik does the US in an organised and rehearsed fashion with decent bands behind him. In the UK, it used to be that you never knew who would be in Nik's band when they turned up, if they turned up, and that sometimes, occasionally, this produced excellent improvised shows out of nothing, but more often it produced lamentable collapses of bands over which Nik made atonal honking noises and forgot the words. With Space Ritual he seems to have averaged out the two and we have a pedestrian band with none of the unpredictability or wildness they need to be interesting. But, as I say, they're still all right to dance to when Sam is on board as well, in my limited experience. Opening new frontiers in space, however, it ain't. Oh for the return of Farflung... Yours, Jon ObCAssette: Hawkwind - _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Aug 2 07:17:39 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:39 +0000 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO Message-ID: > those that saw seemed to like. Nik does the US in an organised and > rehearsed fashion with decent bands behind him. Perhaps that should have read 'Nik does the US with decent, organised and rehearsed bands behind him'? ;-) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 07:22:29 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:22:29 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: <20050725122623.63013.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Keith Henderson wrote: > And to Stephe, I'd say it does matter (and I truly won't go to any > more Space Ritual shows, you can be certain of that) in part because > he's (presumably) trying to earn a living doing this. I mean, yeah, > if he were playing everywhere for free, then, not such a big deal. > But I'm guessing that's not the case...and so it's a commercial > enterprise, and it seems more likely than not that by calling his band > Space Ritual, playing the songs from that album (and Cap'n Lockheed, > since Calvert can't complain about it, presumably), and hiring anybody > he can find who was ever in Hawkwind at one point irregardless of > 'fit,' was all designed to maximize his attraction to potential > punters. I mean, why else does Space Ritual exist? I think they > played two tracks I didn't know, so perhaps they are writing a new > song now and again, I dunno. Of course, Hawkwind have done tours where they played more off _Captain Lockheed_ than they did off any of their albums, but they did do the tracks slightly more justice... As for new tracks, one is not really new, it's a Sphynx out-take as I've said, the chirpy-sounding `Chronological Crime'. I've never been able to get hold of a decent copy of this but the fourth-hand or whatever tape copy I have still makes it fairly clear that compared to Sphynx, Space Ritual are *murdering* it. But you'd have expected that really. The other new one, `Sonic Savages', actually is new, and I think surprisingly OK. But then they have an entire album of new stuff due, ooh, any minute now, and I find the fact that they can only do one new track live... worrying. Is all the rest retread and forgotten Moorcock poems? (Though, you know, it's always good to hear more of his stuff done live.) > But they aren't playing the music that > Hawkwind played in 1969-70, that's for sure...and why not? The > biography you forwarded, eg., talks about those days...Space Ritual > doesn't *play* the soundtrack to those days, does it? Therefore, it > makes no sense. And more importantly (to my ears), it manages to make > my very favorite songs (ie., Space Ritual era HW) almost completely > unattractive. (Now, if he started over with Tommy & Len, and somebody > like Steve Taylor on bass..then, after a while, I'm come back to support > him.) I agree with this. I think if they were brave enough to try one or two freeform jams like `Seeing It As You Really Are' or similar that would be worth seeing as they have about that level of ability left. Terry's not so lively any more, or rather he is but in fixed ways, but Sam would make up for that (he not being the same sort of powerhouse rumble drummer that Terry now is, so they complement each other well). I also fully agree that Nik needs to hook up with Tommy and Len again. I would automatically try and see that if I could, but then I'm still smarting about not having known about Farflung's one UK gig in time. > And anyway, Motorhead is a great band, and Lemmy is truly God. :) > Actually, Motorhead's musical legacy would be a lot better if Lemmy > didn't crank out so many albums, and therefore refuse to throw out > not-up-to-snuff tracks that effectively dilute his albums. If he only > released half as many albums over the last 30 years, with only the > best tracks from successive pairs on each, then he'd have made a load > of great albums. But anyway, Motorhead has nothing to do with Space > Rock, so there's no crime in not liking it. I didn't for quite some > time, just because back then (when I was 16), I didn't like sloppy > music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy drummer. But so was Bill Ward :-) And like _Ace of Spades_ the whole thing about that _Master of Reality_-era Sabbath sound that makes it so exciting is that while they're all running at about the same speed they're not actually quite together. They get away with it sounding as if everyone's slightly ahead of everyone else and racing to the finish. I've seen one or two bands capture this live, and it's a fabulous thing. I don't understand how it works but it's why Phil Taylor was so excellent; he had that kind of sloppy racing energy on tap. What I'm saying is, sloppy need not *necessarily* be bad :-) > I don't know anything about Gmail, or whatever that whole discussion > was about. I don't have a home (let alone my own computer), and > therefore no hardwired ISP connection, so I doubt any of that relates > to my current situation. I really just wanted to know if there was a > way to have Yahoo mail preserve 'soft' returns in a message, or > whether I needed to put in 'hard' returns in each paragraph (though > that would cause problems, because the line lengths would almost > certainly be different for different people, and then there's be one- > or two-word stems between each line of text, which is also terrible to > try to read). Gmail scans your mail for keywords so as to target advertising. This causes some people privacy issues. I try to avoid sending to Gmail addresses for this reason. Anyway! Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 07:25:59 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:25:59 +0100 Subject: HW: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave, can you clarify for the poor readers among us just where you think the shopping for this single should best be done. Am I crucially wounding the campaign if I wander into Cambridge UK's HMV and preorder it there; should we keeping all sales online? If so are we clear yet whether HMV `counts' or do I got to use Amazon? Thanks for advice, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 2 07:35:08 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:35:08 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 12:08, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I don't > know how the gigs with 5:15 as backing [for Nik] went down but I > can imagine that too was OK although very different. I have some recordings from that stuff release on 5:15 singles and stuff -- "Silver Machine" and "Hassan I Sabha", I think. It sounds like 5:15 playing a Hawkwind songs with Nik honking. Likewise, Nik backed by darXtar sounded like darXtar playing Hawkwind songs with Nik honking. you see where this analysis is leading .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 2 07:50:28 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:50:28 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <6403013.1122981459730.JavaMail.?@fh1004.dia.cp.net> Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 12:17, nick.lee2 at virgin.net wrote: >> those that saw seemed to like. Nik does the US in an organised and >> rehearsed fashion with decent bands behind him. > > Perhaps that should have read 'Nik does the US with decent, organised and > rehearsed bands behind him'? Well, decent, organised, and rehearsed in comparsion to his UK crowd, anyway! His Scandinavian adventures have also featured decent, organised, and rehearsed backing bands. (I left out Dark Sun in my last post.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 07:53:56 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:53:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Devil's Rejects (DYZB!) In-Reply-To: <20050727140121.GG238822@pcc.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Chip Hart wrote: > ...in a similar vein, some here might want to check out "Die You > Zombie Bastards!": > > dieyouzombiebastards.com > > The soundtrack includes Hasil Adkins (with some amazing > footage), "THE PHOTON TORPEDOES, PHANTOM CREEPS, THE SPECTRES, > SUPERKOLLIDER, CHUCK McCANN & THE TOMBSTONE BRAWLERS, COUNT > SMOKULA, MEDLAB, SAWZALL, GIMANTIS, ZAKAS, THE VOODOO ORGANIST ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > AND all new music by PAUL LEARY from the BUTTHOLE SURFERS!" The last time I ordered stuff from stonerrock.com, I got The Voodoo Organist's latest album thrown in as a freebie. I can see why; they never could have sold it. On the other hand I can imagine how it could soundtrack a dire zombie movie quite easily :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 2 07:55:11 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:55:11 +0100 Subject: Rock Fever cds...now official??? In-Reply-To: <018801c596f7$38195540$bfa78351@andy> Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 01:14, Cyberkrel wrote: > although now Sanctuary have bought up the entire rights to > the Charisma back catalogue off EMI, it should be interesting in the next 12 > months to see what their approach is, as they will now own the rights to all > the Hawkwind Charisma label recordings. Mmm, that is interesting actually. Sanctuary seem to have a decent enough track record for getting stuff out there. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 2 08:21:24 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:21:24 +0100 Subject: ATTN HW-Bootlegs on Ebay In-Reply-To: <018201c596f6$67b89b40$bfa78351@andy> Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 01:09, Cyberkrel wrote: > That's what they said about vinyl about 17 years ago and look at it - sales > of 7 inch singles up 87% while sales of CD singles are down 23 %!! I'm not sure that's the *best* measure of things -- 17 years ago it was the late 80s, most record shops I went into had a lot of vinyl. Everything came out on vinyl! Nowadays, though, vinyl is very much a specialty item I think. I mean, how many major label releases move much product on vinyl compared to CD (or, gods help us, as ringtones!)? And singles are ... sort of an anomaly in my book! I mean, I think I can count the number of vinyl *and* CD singles I ever bought in my whole life without running out of digits (at least not by much) -- and I've bought more music that the average person, I think! Perhaps this is a generational thing, but I never understood why anyone would buy a single unless it had an otherwise unavailable track that I *really* wanted. Otherwise, the album is always more cost effective. I guess vinyl singles made sense back before the LP became established, and back when singles regularly featured non-album hits, but that latter was clearly not a good marketing move and so it went away. What's up with singles in this day and age? So, if we peg singles as something for collectors, and vinyl as something for collectors, then I'm not surprised to see vinyl singles making a little rebound from where they were some years ago. Retro cool always helps sell stuff :) But I'm not sure singles are a good yardstick for judging the bulk of music sales .... > It's the usual thing though - if enough people believe that the CD is dying > then it probably becomes a self-fulfiling prophecy until someone realises > what's going on and puts the brakes on just in time. You can bet you rbottom > dollar that the last thing the music industry wants is the CD to disappear, > although it's arguable even there as the costs for Universal, for example, > just to have aload of bods in the office puting tracks on websites all day > long would no doubt be far preferable than having to worry about "those > godawful record shop things"!!!! > Dontcha just love "progress" - sadly, it nearly always seems to put > technology forst and people last!!! I dunno. I think if the record industry figures out how to get DRM working in such a way that it doesn't violently annoy customers, and there gets to be enough bandwidth around, they'll be very happy to move away from CDs. (Obviously, getting rid of physical media entirely means you need enough bandwidth globally). But they could, after all, theoretically move more product at less cost with purely "software" sales, and that's gotta sound good to the bean counters. Still, I think it's very hard to predict just what's going to happen in the music industry in the coming years. A lot is going to depend on how Digital Right Managements moves along, and how fast how many places get ridiculous bandwidth. I think these are tough to predict just yet. I guess there will always be "marketing blocks" vending pop hits (even if they don't turn out to be the currently familiar "traditional labels"), but hopefully there will be a broader playing field with more opportunities for artists outside the "major label pop stable" types. And I think there'll be more of the band-centric download sales thing that you see a lot of for the US jamband scene, moving more into studio recordings being delivered that way as well (perhaps especially in Europe where its hard to tour that much). I could see, for example, a distinction between buying a "subscription" for a band (for the fanatics, where you get to check out the working demos and stuff as they work on something) and individual sales (for non-maniacs who just want to buy the final hit single, thank you). But now I'm definitely rambling off into (extremely) idle speculation, and so I'll shut up :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue Aug 2 08:22:41 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:22:41 +0200 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, On 01.08.2005, at 21:17, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> Depends on where you're exactly. But if the planes are 30-year old >> F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than they're definitely >> ours ;-) > > Not even G for Germany either ;-( Nope, ours are F-4F, with the F standing for nothing :-) [Eurofighter] > They've finally made it into squadron service in Britain, > so yours > can't be too far behind... Then you only have the first few years' > teething troubles while the service gets used to a new plane after the > same one for 30 years... Though we're the second Fighter Wing that'll get the EF in Germany, we're the first to fly it operationally (the other Wing is just for training the pilots at the moment). Additionally we'll continue flying the old Phantoms until the EF is fully operational (at least 'til 2008), so everything will be very much fun in the next few years.... ;-> [Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing"] > Hopefully not an appropriate title :-) How's that come out, > anyway? Any reviews for it? SO far I've only been able to get > thumbs up > from people who liked the Blackfield album and I found that pretty > dispensable, so I'm wondering how much I need this. What's > different from > _In Absentia_ and what's stayed the same? I'm not a PT-expert, in fact "Deadwing" and "In Absentia" are the only two albums I have of the Wilson-troupe. Nevertheless I'll try to do a short review/IMHO of sorts. DW is a further development of the sound of IA. It's louder, heavier and more brute (especially so on "Deadwing" [with an Adrian Belew- guest appearance] , "Shallow" and "Open Car"). That's not to say that it sounds exactly like your typical (prog-)metal-band, but it's more aggressive and energetic than some of the older PT stuff, with a dominant distorted metal-like guitar-sound. Nevertheless there are also more "classical" PT-songs with all the floydish synthworks, calm melodies, undistorted guitar-solos and psychedelic influences one expects from PT ("Mellotron Scratch", "Arriving Somewhere..." and "Glass Arm Shattering"). To sum it up, I say that DW is varied and interesting album. It is not as accessible and more dark than IA, but the path of development can clearly be seen. Those who can't stand certain (prog-)metal devices won't like it, but everyone who liked IA, won't be disappointed by DW IMHO. 8 out of 10 on my own D+R'o'meter (c)IAO D+R np: Kraftwerk, "Minimum-Maximum" From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Aug 2 08:40:09 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:40:09 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 12:22, Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Keith Henderson wrote: >> But anyway, Motorhead has nothing to do with Space >> Rock, so there's no crime in not liking it. I didn't for quite some >> time, just because back then (when I was 16), I didn't like sloppy >> music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy drummer. > > But so was Bill Ward :-) And like _Ace of Spades_ the whole thing > about that _Master of Reality_-era Sabbath sound that makes it so exciting > is that while they're all running at about the same speed they're not > actually quite together. They get away with it sounding as if everyone's > slightly ahead of everyone else and racing to the finish. I've seen one or > two bands capture this live, and it's a fabulous thing. I don't understand > how it works but it's why Phil Taylor was so excellent; he had that kind > of sloppy racing energy on tap. > What I'm saying is, sloppy need not *necessarily* be bad :-) But I think that Phil got *more* sloppy over time, which the good Mr. Ward hasn't really. (Somehow, Bill Ward turned in most plausible drumming on _Heaven & Hell_ whilst being too wasted to remember cutting the tracks!). So the sort of "breathless energy" vibe starts to go when the drummer starts to lose it. > I think if they [Nik & Co.] were brave enough to try one or > two freeform jams like `Seeing It As You Really Are' or similar that would > be worth seeing as they have about that level of ability left. Terry's not > so lively any more, or rather he is but in fixed ways, but Sam would make > up for that (he not being the same sort of powerhouse rumble drummer that > Terry now is, so they complement each other well). Ooooo .... If your drummer has only one setting, then freeform jams are gonna be tough to pull off. A good jam has to "breathe" -- the drummer has got to be surfing the wave with everyone else (which is tough with only one setting!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Aug 2 11:39:03 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:39:03 -0400 Subject: HW: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:25:59 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Dave, can you clarify for the poor readers among us just where you >think the shopping for this single should best be done. Am I crucially >wounding the campaign if I wander into Cambridge UK's HMV and preorder it >there; should we keeping all sales online? If so are we clear yet whether >HMV `counts' or do I got to use Amazon? Thanks for advice, yours, > Jon > as far as the single goes pre ordering from a branch of HMV as opposed to the online outlet should not prove to be a problem, both are eligsble! if you have any doubts on this point i'd suggest you enquire with the specific retailer i think because this is an internet based forum we do tend to think purely in online terms, also it often proves to be the most conveinient way of purchasing, but the high street should not be forgotten, and neither should those who do not have access to the internet, so if you know someone who needs the single being ordered for them then don't forget to offer your services. on a slightly different point also make sure when ordering the album that you get the best deal posible, put another way make sure you get the one with the DVD included! on Amazon it's described as Take Me to Your Leader [CD + DVD] hope that helps regards Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 2 13:37:16 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:37:16 +0100 Subject: HW: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! In-Reply-To: Dave Law's message of Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: Dave Law writes: > as far as the single goes pre ordering from a branch of HMV as opposed to > the online outlet should not prove to be a problem, both are eligsble! if > you have any doubts on this point i'd suggest you enquire with the specific > retailer So what happens on release day? Do all the preorders count as buys on Day Zero? FoFP From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Aug 2 14:00:48 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:00:48 -0400 Subject: HW: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Message-ID: as i understand it, all you are doing at the moment is "pre ordering" so your sale will be registered as having been made on the day of release (29th August) but don't forget it's a bank holiday that week! i think we all have to remember that - a - a lot of us these days don't buy many singles b - you can pretty much pre order anything, the money men in the biz wouldn't allow it if it were going to affect chart placings which are stil important in keeping things "high profile" pre ordering from the correct outlets, which you should know off by heart by now ;-) will count towards the UK singles chart of that week. i'm happy to clarify anything concerning this matter but lets also think about how we can further "spread the word" and create more publicity! you know where i am and you know where this list is!as Delia Smith would say - "lets be 'avin ya" appologies to non footballl fans"! regards dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 16:54:42 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:54:42 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <6403013.1122981459730.JavaMail.?@fh1004.dia.cp.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, nick.lee2 at virgin.net wrote: > > those that saw seemed to like. Nik does the US in an organised and > > rehearsed fashion with decent bands behind him. > > Perhaps that should have read 'Nik does the US with decent, organised and > rehearsed bands behind him'? > ;-) A fair point ;-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _25... Tab_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Tue Aug 2 16:58:11 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:11 +0100 Subject: HW: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! In-Reply-To: <200508021737.j72HbGI7003794@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dave Law wrote: > as far as the single goes pre ordering from a branch of HMV as opposed to > the online outlet should not prove to be a problem, both are eligsble! if > you have any doubts on this point i'd suggest you enquire with the specific > retailer FoFP asked: So what happens on release day? Do all the preorders count as buys on Day Zero? That is how it works and that is the way that The Jam got so many new entries at Number 1 on the UK singles chart. Records that disappeared into oblivion the next week and deservedly so :-) Mark From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 16:59:12 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:59:12 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <42EF5A6C.3050208@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I have some recordings from that stuff release on 5:15 singles and stuff > -- "Silver Machine" and "Hassan I Sabha", I think. It sounds like 5:15 > playing a Hawkwind songs with Nik honking. Likewise, Nik backed by > darXtar sounded like darXtar playing Hawkwind songs with Nik honking. > you see where this analysis is leading .... If the analysis is that to put on a decent show Nik needs a band that can function without him, I'm alarmed to say he may not currently be able to boast this... Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Doremi Fasol Latido_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 17:11:00 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:11:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: [Eurofighter] > Though we're the second Fighter Wing that'll get the EF in Germany, > we're the first to fly it operationally (the other Wing is just for > training the pilots at the moment). Additionally we'll continue > flying the old Phantoms until the EF is fully operational (at least > 'til 2008), so everything will be very much fun in the next few > years.... ;-> You'll be the person to ask what I was wondering only the other day: are the Luftwaffe still flying the MiG-29s they inherited from the DDR, or did they get tactfully retired? > [Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing"] > To sum it up, I say that DW is varied and interesting album. It is > not as accessible and more dark than IA, but the path of development > can clearly be seen. Those who can't stand certain (prog-)metal > devices won't like it, but everyone who liked IA, won't be > disappointed by DW IMHO. 8 out of 10 on my own D+R'o'meter Now that I like the sound of. Okay then, onto the next order it will go :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 2 17:14:00 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:14:00 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: <42EF69A9.8080307@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 02/08/2005 12:22, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > What I'm saying is, sloppy need not *necessarily* be bad :-) > But I think that Phil got *more* sloppy over time, which the good Mr. > Ward hasn't really. (Somehow, Bill Ward turned in most plausible > drumming on _Heaven & Hell_ whilst being too wasted to remember cutting > the tracks!). So the sort of "breathless energy" vibe starts to go when > the drummer starts to lose it. Phil Taylor sounds all right on _1916_ to these ears; has he done any drumming since then? (I grant you that giving up drums is probably going to decrease one's skill with them... ) > Ooooo .... If your drummer has only one setting, then freeform jams are > gonna be tough to pull off. A good jam has to "breathe" -- the drummer > has got to be surfing the wave with everyone else (which is tough with > only one setting!). I'd like to think that Terry still has more than one, given how he did once, but he seems to need some help finding the others... I'm not sure Space Ritual really encourages that sort of deviation, you know? Thomas Crimble would get lost if it wasn't 4:4... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 2 17:15:52 2005 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:15:52 +0100 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) Message-ID: Deadwing doesn't do it for me I'm afraid. Saw PT on the recent tour and found it a bit soul-less. Which is a shame for me as I have seen them on every tour as an actual band. Of the PT off-shoots I prefer No-Man - imagine ambient PT crossed with a later period Talk Talk. Hope SW steers the band away from the short song format. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) > Hello, > > On 01.08.2005, at 21:17, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > >> Depends on where you're exactly. But if the planes are 30-year old > >> F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than they're definitely > >> ours ;-) > > > > Not even G for Germany either ;-( > > Nope, ours are F-4F, with the F standing for nothing :-) > > [Eurofighter] > > They've finally made it into squadron service in Britain, > > so yours > > can't be too far behind... Then you only have the first few years' > > teething troubles while the service gets used to a new plane after the > > same one for 30 years... > > Though we're the second Fighter Wing that'll get the EF in Germany, > we're the first to fly it operationally (the other Wing is just for > training the pilots at the moment). Additionally we'll continue > flying the old Phantoms until the EF is fully operational (at least > 'til 2008), so everything will be very much fun in the next few > years.... ;-> > > [Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing"] > > Hopefully not an appropriate title :-) How's that come out, > > anyway? Any reviews for it? SO far I've only been able to get > > thumbs up > > from people who liked the Blackfield album and I found that pretty > > dispensable, so I'm wondering how much I need this. What's > > different from > > _In Absentia_ and what's stayed the same? > > I'm not a PT-expert, in fact "Deadwing" and "In Absentia" are the > only two albums I have of the Wilson-troupe. Nevertheless I'll try to > do a short review/IMHO of sorts. > DW is a further development of the sound of IA. It's louder, heavier > and more brute (especially so on "Deadwing" [with an Adrian Belew- > guest appearance] , "Shallow" and "Open Car"). That's not to say that > it sounds exactly like your typical (prog-)metal-band, but it's more > aggressive and energetic than some of the older PT stuff, with a > dominant distorted metal-like guitar-sound. > Nevertheless there are also more "classical" PT-songs with all the > floydish synthworks, calm melodies, undistorted guitar-solos and > psychedelic influences one expects from PT ("Mellotron Scratch", > "Arriving Somewhere..." and "Glass Arm Shattering"). > To sum it up, I say that DW is varied and interesting album. It is > not as accessible and more dark than IA, but the path of development > can clearly be seen. Those who can't stand certain (prog-)metal > devices won't like it, but everyone who liked IA, won't be > disappointed by DW IMHO. 8 out of 10 on my own D+R'o'meter > > (c)IAO > D+R > np: Kraftwerk, "Minimum-Maximum" > From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Tue Aug 2 18:13:12 2005 From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:13:12 +0100 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: <03c301c597a7$601be2a0$4ab84e51@default> Message-ID: "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" - short song? 11 mins +? Er, no! It's just an opinion but Deadwing rocks! Tony -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of dave hall Sent: 02 August 2005 22:16 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) Hope SW steers the band away from the short song format. Dave From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue Aug 2 18:26:27 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:26:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guten Abend, On 02.08.2005, at 23:11, Jon Jarrett wrote: > You'll be the person to ask what I was wondering only the > other > day: are the Luftwaffe still flying the MiG-29s they inherited from > the > DDR, or did they get tactfully retired? Nope, they were all sold to Poland (for a "symbolic price" of 1 ? each IIRC) about two or three years ago. The old MiG-29 wing (Fighter Wing 73) is the first German Eurofighter-Wing by the way (they got their first EFs in April last year). > Now that I like the sound of. Okay then, onto the next > order it > will go :-) Yours, > Jon If you won't like it, please don't blame me ;-) (c)IAO D+R np: Skinny Puppy, "Bites" (to be seen live 17.08.) From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 2 18:47:43 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:47:43 -0400 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" Message-ID: Hi, I'm with Tony. I love this album. Its more commercial, and I have 90% of their material. Its not as space rockish, but thats not really a good description. Saw them on this tour and thought they were great, but it was my first time, so I can't compare it to other gigs. Cheers Stephe > "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" - short song? 11 mins +? Er, no! It's > just an opinion but Deadwing rocks! > Tony > Hope SW steers the band away from the short song format. > Dave From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Aug 2 19:49:00 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Atomic Bongload & Drool Trough Radio Shows + New Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com August 3, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS & MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from The Atomic Bongload (show #14), and Drool Trough (show #34). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this week is Peace Frog issue #1. Peace Frog is an English language Psychedelic zine published in Greece. If any of you remember the zine Gee Gaw, these are the same folks. It's a 50 page digest sized zine with lots of reviews, and interviews with John Frankovic, Thee Hands of Tyme, Nick Bensen, Cactus Cooper and Yesterday's Thoughts. It also comes with a compilation CD with tracks from 14 psychedelic bands from around the world. Also in stock are several titles from the Elektrohasch label (Germany), with CD's & LP's from Colour Haze, Los Natas, Hypnos 69, and The Kings of Frog Island. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store. The Atomic Bongload (show #14) The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner Rock and general HEAVY music we receive at Aural Innovations. Los Natas - "Corfario Negro Loco" (from M?nchen Sessions) The Kings of Frog Island - "Psychomania" (from The Kings of Frog Island) Novadriver - "You Want Yours, You Want Mine" (from Deeper High) Honky - "Trespassin'" (from Balls Out Inn) Insider - "Remorseful Times" (from Simple Water Drops) Colour Haze - "Mountain" (from Colour Haze) Colour Haze - "I Won't Stop" (from Los Sounds De Krauts) Pilotos - "Blond Guy" (from Promo 2005) Pilotos - "De Devil" (from Promo 2005) Hypnos 69 - "The Endless Void" (from The Intrigue of Perception) Gorilla - "Trampus" (from Gimme some ..) The People - "Shuffle #1" (from Vol. II) RPG - "Early '92" (from Full Time) 1:09:40-1:12:30 Drool Trough (show #34) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. 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(from Songs For Psychos) Ladell Mclin - "Stand Out" (From Stand Out) Jane Anfinson - "Noticing Change" (from Precious Details) Sparkwood - "Emergency" (from Jalopy Pop) The Classification of Vegetables - track 2 (from 8 Different Ones) John Beckham - "Spaceship" (from The Boy Has No Identity LP) Jeremy & Progressor - "Alien Nation" (from The Pearl of Great Price) Harry Kapeliaris - "Blue Day" (from Journey To Light) Coltrane Motion - "PI Is Exactly Three" (from No Well Ok Maybe Just A Little) Depressive Art - "Psychedelic Ghostride" (from The Ghostride Experience) Taba - "Hey Don't Care" (from Hey Don't Care) Metamorphosis - "Beyond The Wall" (from Then All Was Silent) Poor Luther's Bones - "All Skegged Out" (from Next to Nowhere) Carl Burnett - "Dick Cavette's Blues" (from Life Before MIDI: Naked) http://Aural-Innovations.com From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Aug 3 06:53:59 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:53:59 +0100 Subject: Prog roock In-Reply-To: <200507310900.j6V903vn017685@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > Browsing through the other ads I wonder if any of the small freaky > gentle shy sincere long haired grammar school lads into Prog Rock and > Hawkwind ever found their like-minded hippy chicks and had a long and > happy penpal correspondence? > Just curious. > > jill My guess is they can be found at Space Ritual gigs wearing macs (disguised as lab coats) ..^H^H Maxine From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 3 07:08:02 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:08:02 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 02/08/2005 22:14, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Phil Taylor sounds all right on _1916_ to these ears; has he done > any drumming since then? (I grant you that giving up drums is probably > going to decrease one's skill with them... ) My understanding (which is limited) is that there ended up also being some trouble with Phil's visa status in the US .... >> Ooooo .... If your drummer has only one setting, then freeform jams are >> gonna be tough to pull off. A good jam has to "breathe" -- the drummer >> has got to be surfing the wave with everyone else (which is tough with >> only one setting!). > > I'd like to think that Terry still has more than one, given > how he did once, but he seems to need some help finding the > others... I'm not sure Space Ritual really encourages that sort of > deviation, you know? Thomas Crimble would get lost if it wasn't > 4:4... Well, to be fair, there's no need to change the time-signature for the jam to be most awesome. There is some need to follow or lead with the right rhythm and tempo, though, and to be pretty aware of what your bandmates are doing (so a bad stage mix can easily screw you up there even if you're all damned geniuses and paying close attention every second of the gig ....) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 3 07:10:38 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:10:38 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:59:12 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > If the analysis is that to put on a decent show Nik needs a band > that can function without him, I'm alarmed to say he may not currently be > able to boast this... Yours, Hasn't Nik always been more of an organiser and showman than a musician? It's always struck me that he works hard at festivals getting things organised and persuading people to play. He's clearly quite persuasive considering the sheer numbers of ex-Hawks he's persuaded out of retirement and the number of bands he's managed to guest with. FoFP From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Aug 3 07:18:30 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:18:30 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burz Herzberg In-Reply-To: <200507310900.j6V903vn017685@www.ispnetinc.net> Message-ID: > From: Jon Jarrett > Subject: Re: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. > One last thing I will say though is that I think the criticism > levelled tha the dancer is unfair, bordering on prudish. Ok, I conceed... might be easier to blame the advertising from the venue - i didn't realise I was going to pole dancing club. > Angie's doing it by herself. I must have missed that bit ;-) > No band vision informs her, and they have no money, so she's just > wearing fun stuff. I'm sure it's not supposed to be erotic; I've checked Littlewoods/Next catalogue and you can't buy any of it on the high street...?? >[snip] > she can actually dance, > rather than just shaking vaguely. Here I agree - she was a good dancer, shame she felt the need to mask her talent by the use of what was obviously cheap fetish clothing... > Anyway. In summary: the band sucks, but there are worse > parties to be at than one of Nik's band's ones even if they are playing. hmmm Space Ritual un-playing (as opposed to unplugged) Now you're talking! regards Maxine From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 07:26:27 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:26:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: <722754F6-27B0-46DA-A5BF-A3F6A50236C8@pti-inc.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > On 02.08.2005, at 23:11, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > You'll be the person to ask what I was wondering only the > > other day: are the Luftwaffe still flying the MiG-29s they inherited > > from the DDR, or did they get tactfully retired? > Nope, they were all sold to Poland (for a "symbolic price" of 1 ? > each IIRC) about two or three years ago. The old MiG-29 wing (Fighter > Wing 73) is the first German Eurofighter-Wing by the way (they got > their first EFs in April last year). I see, and thankyou for info. Leaves me wondering what they did between the MiGs being sold and the EFs arriving. Back to the F-4s? Also, it'll be interesting to see what the pilots who've flown both MiG and EF think of the comparison... But! I may be getting off-topic. At least it's an on-topic air force ;-) [_Deadwing_] > If you won't like it, please don't blame me ;-) Oh, don't worry, if I don't like it I'll blame Steven Wilson :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 3 07:32:21 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:32:21 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <200508031110.j73BAcMp003533@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 03/08/2005 12:10, M Holmes wrote: > Jon Jarrett writes: >> If the analysis is that to put on a decent show Nik needs a band >> that can function without him, I'm alarmed to say he may not currently be >> able to boast this... > > Hasn't Nik always been more of an organiser and showman than a musician? > It's always struck me that he works hard at festivals getting things > organised and persuading people to play. He's clearly quite persuasive > considering the sheer numbers of ex-Hawks he's persuaded out of > retirement and the number of bands he's managed to guest with. Exactly my feeling. Nik's got good stage presence and seems, from what little contact I've had with him, like a genuinely pretty nice guy (if slightly cracked :) But I think he's more a band frontman than band leader; he may not be the one to whup a band's arses into shaping up and flying right. But he's all right with a good crew behind him (or even a half-assed crew on a good night, perhaps :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 07:33:50 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:33:50 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: <42F0A592.8070600@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 02/08/2005 22:14, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Phil Taylor sounds all right on _1916_ to these ears; has he done > > any drumming since then? (I grant you that giving up drums is probably > > going to decrease one's skill with them... ) > > My understanding (which is limited) is that there ended up also being > some trouble with Phil's visa status in the US .... I've seen interviews with Lemmy where he said that Phil can't leave the US because if he does his visa won't be renewed, but that doesn't stop him playing in the US presumably... > Well, to be fair, there's no need to change the time-signature for the > jam to be most awesome. There is some need to follow or lead with the > right rhythm and tempo, though, and to be pretty aware of what your > bandmates are doing (so a bad stage mix can easily screw you up there > even if you're all damned geniuses and paying close attention every > second of the gig ....) I remember the second Hawkestra, where Adrian Shaw and Jerry Richards were seemingly being communications nexus for the whole band while Nik ignored them and just waved vague instructions back to them. I'm still amazed that worked, but I've never seen the whole process that clearly visible before. What is usually visible, or rather audible, is when it's not there, which is why I mention this apropos of what you were saying. Terry is I suspect not listening very well any more. Dave Anderson posisbly also; he seems to be having a lot of fun, and I suspect that this is because in his head it all sounds different :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 07:37:17 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:37:17 +0100 Subject: NIK: Spaceritual , NOT QUO In-Reply-To: <200508031110.j73BAcMp003533@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, M Holmes wrote: > Hasn't Nik always been more of an organiser and showman than a musician? > It's always struck me that he works hard at festivals getting things > organised and persuading people to play. He's clearly quite persuasive > considering the sheer numbers of ex-Hawks he's persuaded out of > retirement and the number of bands he's managed to guest with. I think he's an excellent manager, persuader and most of all knows how to delegate. Certainly in getting people together on a stage only Adrian Shaw rivals him, and possibly for the same reason; I've never heard of anyone suggest that either man screwed their bandmates over to their own advantage. (Though there is an Ade Shaw song on _Head Cleaner_ about some prima donna band frontman which includes the line `A brainstorm's your excuse for living', which has always made me wonder.) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 3 07:41:20 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:41:20 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03/08/2005 12:33, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I've seen interviews with Lemmy where he said that Phil can't > leave the US because if he does his visa won't be renewed, but that > doesn't stop him playing in the US presumably... Though it would pretty much a) disqualify him as a useful drummer for an international touring act and b) if his visa has run out (presumably the case) and he's become Yet Another Illegal Immigrant, then he can't work legally, which would put a bit of a damper of standard rock star procedures. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 07:45:44 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:45:44 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burz Herzberg In-Reply-To: <42F0B62A.8085.2FFF5A@port.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Maxine Wesley wrote: > > From: Jon Jarrett > > Angie's doing it by herself. > > I must have missed that bit ;-) I'm outclassed here, I should drop it :-) > I've checked Littlewoods/Next catalogue and you can't buy any of it on the high > street...?? Given Space Ritual's usual state of funding, I suspect she's not gone and bought this stuff specially... (Wouldn't like to guess why she *has* it, then, but that's not really the point.) > >[snip] > > she can actually dance, > > rather than just shaking vaguely. > > Here I agree - she was a good dancer, shame she felt the need to mask her > talent by the use of what was obviously cheap fetish clothing... I think it's just meant to be costume for fun. As I say, if it was meant to be erotic I'm sure she could dance in such a way as to do that. She isn't. The nun's habit comes out for `Ejection'; she does mock prayers and genuflects. I figured that was an echo of the whole `mea culpa' bit on the original. Similarly the flapper rig and I-dog thing is vaguely SF/futuristic. I grant you, I can't make any kind of connection for the nurse's outfit. Maybe she's just run out of ideas. But I don't really see the big deal. Perhaps I know too many goths and PVC no longer has a wider social significance for me. Anyway... I might leave it here :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 07:52:13 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:52:13 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: <42F0AD60.4040505@carlaz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On 03/08/2005 12:33, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I've seen interviews with Lemmy where he said that Phil can't > > leave the US because if he does his visa won't be renewed, but that > > doesn't stop him playing in the US presumably... > Though it would pretty much a) disqualify him as a useful drummer for an > international touring act and b) if his visa has run out (presumably the > case) and he's become Yet Another Illegal Immigrant, then he can't work > legally, which would put a bit of a damper of standard rock star procedures. I think it was the same interview where Lemmy said that Phil was `working' as a crack dealer now, so maybe that doesn't bother him (and explains the visa problems?) In case Mr Taylor's lawyers are reading, I may be remembering wrongly and in any case blame Lemmy as he invites vereyone to in the sleeve of the _Bomber_ remaster :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 3 08:43:23 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:43:23 +0100 Subject: NIK, Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03/08/2005 12:52, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I think it was the same interview where Lemmy said that Phil was > `working' as a crack dealer now, so maybe that doesn't bother him (and > explains the visa problems?) More likely that visa problems would explain crack dealing! After all, if you can't work legally .... > In case Mr Taylor's lawyers are reading, I > may be remembering wrongly and in any case blame Lemmy as he invites > vereyone to in the sleeve of the _Bomber_ remaster :-) Ditto :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 3 08:57:05 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:57:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Motorhead and other bits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett replied: > And anyway, Motorhead is a great band, and Lemmy is truly God. :) > Actually, Motorhead's musical legacy would be a lot better if Lemmy > didn't crank out so many albums, and therefore refuse to throw out > not-up-to-snuff tracks that effectively dilute his albums. If he only > released half as many albums over the last 30 years, with only the > best tracks from successive pairs on each, then he'd have made a load > of great albums. But anyway, Motorhead has nothing to do with Space > Rock, so there's no crime in not liking it. I didn't for quite some > time, just because back then (when I was 16), I didn't like sloppy > music, and Phil Taylor (for instance) was a sloppy drummer. >But so was Bill Ward :-) And like _Ace of Spades_ the whole thing >about that _Master of Reality_-era Sabbath sound that makes it so exciting >is that while they're all running at about the same speed they're not >actually quite together. They get away with it sounding as if everyone's >slightly ahead of everyone else and racing to the finish. I've seen one or >two bands capture this live, and it's a fabulous thing. I don't understand >how it works but it's why Phil Taylor was so excellent; he had that kind >of sloppy racing energy on tap. > >What I'm saying is, sloppy need not *necessarily* be bad :-) Agreed 100%. You?ll note that I said "back then, when I was 16". That was the result of listening to too much Rush, Yes, and Jethro Tull (well, I mean, too high a percentage of same without balanced by some uglier, wartier music alongside, given that I still like these bands to some degree....funny, I?ve never bothered to see Rush live...I don?t know why). By 1983 or so, I?d learned my lesson, and was much more open to ?less-technical? music, shall I say. Luckily I still had my copy of No Sleep with me in college to annoy the hell out of my neighbors when they were playing Hall and Oates and the Hooters too often. And because in CH (Switzerland) I never had a proper stereo of any kind, I almost always listened to music through headphones (nothing worse than listening to great music through a pair of crappy little 3" speakers), and was rather shocked upon listening to early Black Sabbath and how really poor both the performances and recordings were. I mean they were really amateurish. (Especially given that something like Paranoid must be about the easiest song to play in rock n roll history, and they couldn?t stay together on that one.) But you know, something about them is just pure magic, and if you don?t concentrate so much (or play them through a real soundsystem), they come alive like very little other music ever has. Deep Pruple?s Machine Head (and In Rock too) are like this, though a bit more professional. But still amateurish compared to today?s standards. I don?t know a lick about engineering, but those old guys in the 70s knew what the hell they were doing even though they were working with stone knives and the equivalent. >Gmail scans your mail for keywords so as to target >advertising. This causes some people privacy issues. I try to avoid >sending to Gmail addresses for this reason. F them then. Grakkl (FAA), in Aalen, W?rttemburg P.S. The greatest thing about Phil(thy) is that he looked exactly like the music that he played. Come to think of it, same applies to Lemmy. That?s what bothered me a little about the two new guys in the Ozrics...they played just fine and fit in OK with the others, but they look like ordinary human beings and that disturbed me greatly. :) I think one of them, if not both, is American. At least John still looks and acts like he came from another planet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 3 09:50:02 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:50:02 -0700 Subject: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: >One last thing I will say though is that I think the criticism >levelled tha the dancer is unfair, bordering on prudish. The costumes are >I grant you not wildly original, though Keith and Maxine both fail to >mention those that are less than cliched (unless she's no longer doing the >flapper girl with the I-dog), but I think this is again expecting too >much. HW present an organised visual thing which is a part of the whole >performance: Angie's doing it by herself. No band vision informs her, and >they have no money, so she's just wearing fun stuff. I'm sure it's not >supposed to be erotic; if she wanted to achieve that effect, she could do >it because unlike many of HW's dancers of the past, not meaning Kris >obviously whose gig is rather more spectacle than actual dance anyway, she >can actually dance, rather than just shaking vaguely. I also think as much >of what she does as possible is tied to the music, but that not much is >possible for her given their budget. But by and large the dancing, hers or >others, is one of the things I've tended to enjoy about SR >performances. It's people who can dance having fun, what's the problem? I >don't see the fuss about the costumes; surely it's just a laugh. If it >makes me a pervert not being bothered by them, well, hey. Probably nothing >new there. I didn?t have anything to respond to about the musical comments, since I generally agree with all of them, though I didn?t find myself capable of having fun with this lot as compared to the earlier permutations of Space Ritual. Anyway... But about Angie (I think Nik called her Miss Angel, or something...but whatever). First, you should note that as an American, I am completely unable to reason properly about anything regarding sexuality or nudity, because that?s just the way Americans are made. One must study Orwell?s concept of Doublethink for enough time to earn several impressive degrees from some of the most prestigious institutions of higher learning to even get close to understanding the ability of the American populace to simultaneously be both horrified by the public display of, say, the female nipple and yet be consumed beyond anyone?s imagination with the desire to see as many of them as possible, preferably from close range and with some sweet confection pouring over them gracefully. It?s an amazing thing, really, and I am awed by it, even as it still unfailingly consumes me here, all the while as I am surrounded by millions of those with a much more highly evolved understanding of all things sexual. I hate these people. :) The first thing I remember seeing on TV in Switzerland was a commercial for some healthy, normal product featuring a naked, pregnant woman (from the side) reclining on a sofa or something and laughing. This was on about five oclock in the afternoon. That was my first indication that things in Europe were a little more relaxed than in, say, John Ashcroft?s office when he was Attorney General. However, Switzerland is actually quite restrained and conservative in such things, but nevertheless, the average person on the street isn?t remotely put off by ?blue? businesses in their neighborhood being in view of their precious children and such. Given that the local sex shop was actually *attached* to the main grocery store in the little shopping mall. But 38 years of brainwashing is hard to overcome, and I could live the rest of my life here (boy I wish) and still not be cured of my paradoxial view of all things sexual. Which means that I?m both 100% prude and simultaneously 100% pervert at the same time, just as Schr?dinger?s cat was 100% dead and 100% alive, or however that story goes. And celibate too, which makes me among the most perverted deviants of all time! :) So, don?t expect any of my views to represent anything like normality or common sense. But that said...regardless of whether Miss Angel was too sexually provocative, or not enough, the problem was I didn?t see much of any artistry, nor any connections to the music. I might have been OK with her being much *more* provocative (after all, she showed absolutely nothing except a bit of bad taste, IMHO) if it had been artistically done, or at least something I?d never seen before. As it was, it just seemed like no effort went into the routines at all, except off-the shelf costume purchasing. (As far as the whole-band support idea for the HW dancers, note that I just praised them for their routines at Loreley that must had been largely ad-lib - at least the costumes certainly were, as they were accidentally left behind in the UK.) And I didn?t see any evidence that she knew anything about HW music at all, which wouldn?t be so surprising given that the vast majority of it that Nik had anything to do with, was probably recorded before she was born. But, whatever, I won?t slag anyone for thinking that she was ?fun? to watch...that would be listening too closely to that ugly person inside of me that still thinks the human body is a source of neverending shame. Damn Puritans. And Rick Santorum, I?ll blame that SOB too, since he?s from (one of my) home state(s). But nevertheless, I found her a distraction at best. Oh, well, what do you expect from such a deviant? >Anyway. In summary: the band sucks, but there are worse parties to >be at than one of Nik's band's ones even if they are playing. Yours, >Jon Fair enough. True enough. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. What is an I-dog? Is that some sort of new Apple MP3 product? :) P.P.S. Unrelated question...What is the proper definition/translation of this British word ?twee?? I thought I kinda knew, but I?ve recently seen it in totally different context and now I?m confused. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From denis at PTI-INC.DE Wed Aug 3 10:14:51 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:14:51 +0200 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 03.08.2005, at 13:26, Jon Jarrett wrote: > I see, and thankyou for info. Leaves me wondering what they > did > between the MiGs being sold and the EFs arriving. Back to the F-4s? > Also, > it'll be interesting to see what the pilots who've flown both MiG > and EF > think of the comparison... FW 73 was flying both the MiG-29 (Sqd. 731) and the F-4 (Sqd. 732), the only German Fighter Wing flying two different types of aircraft. The last F-4 flight was in March 2002; and although they already started selling the MiGs to Poland in September 2003, it took until August 2004 before the last MiG left Laage for good. So there was even a small overlap between the arrival of the first EF and the fly- out of the last MiG. > But! I may be getting off-topic. At least it's an on-topic air > force ;-) Here in Neuburg we still have a few civilian aircraft-mechanics who already had worked on the Starfighter. (c)IAO D+R np: Richard Pinhas, "Chronolyse" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 3 10:24:35 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:24:35 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burz Herzberg In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:18:30 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > > One last thing I will say though is that I think the criticism > > levelled tha the dancer is unfair, bordering on prudish. > Ok, I conceed... might be easier to blame the advertising from the venue - i > didn't realise I was going to pole dancing club. You got a pole??? Damn. We didn't get a pole. > > No band vision informs her, and they have no money, so she's just > > wearing fun stuff. I'm sure it's not supposed to be erotic; > I've checked Littlewoods/Next catalogue and you can't buy any of it on > the high street...?? You can in Edinburgh. We have an Ann Summers shop. > >[snip] > > she can actually dance, > > rather than just shaking vaguely. > Here I agree - she was a good dancer, shame she felt the need to mask > her talent by the use of what was obviously cheap fetish clothing... Cheap?? It's nowhere near cheap. Have you any idea how much it costs to get kitted out as a nun with suspenders these days? It'd be cheaper to grout the Space Shuttle. FoFP From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Aug 3 10:46:04 2005 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:46:04 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050803135002.15823.qmail@web51803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/08/2005 14:50, Keith Henderson wrote: > Which means that I?m both 100% prude and simultaneously 100% pervert at the same time, just as Schr?dinger?s cat was 100% dead and 100% alive, or however that story goes. Best description of the situation I've seen of the standard US American attitude toward sex ;) Can't claim it myself, having spent too much time with Scandinavians and Latin Americans to be thus afflicted :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 3 10:49:35 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:49:35 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: hi...well, lets face it..the charts are rigged anyway.Also, who really cares about the singles charts??Although, admittedly, seeing dave and matthew and ali et al on TOTP would be a very special kick in the face giggle to the prepubescent watchers! The album charts are far more important to people seriously into whats going on(did radiohead or pink floyd, for example ever really care about the singles charts???)...im sure TMTYL will be the hawks best seller for many years(at least 8 , anyway!..lol),despite it sadly limited distibution.No, seriously....should be up there with levitation, or quark, at least... On a final note, i recall a certain band buying many thousand of their single themselves to get in the charts,... but id best "walk on by" on that one...lol...how about it,dave, ali and rich?!!! pete From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 3 11:15:03 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:15:03 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:46:04 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Best description of the situation I've seen of the standard US American > attitude toward sex ;) America: Designed by Libertarians. Driven by Puritans. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 13:46:33 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:46:33 +0100 Subject: NIK: Burg Herzberg etc. In-Reply-To: <20050803135002.15823.qmail@web51803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.S. What is an I-dog? Is that some sort of new Apple MP3 product? :) Well, the name actually belongs to a kind of toy dog shell for an iPod which Sega sell, very kawaii...: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://ployer.com/archives/idog-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ployer.com/archives/2005/03/idog.php&h=435&w=350&sz=16&tbnid=38_TR58bOcMJ:&tbnh=123&tbnw=98&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3DI-Dog%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG But Angie has the cheapskate remote-control toy dog version that's also picked up the name because it looks like an iMac's little cousin: http://www.firstukltd.co.uk/actiontoys.html Only picture of the thing I can find, it's the fourth item on that oage. Strictly children's toys, we had one till Benedict or Kirsten managd to break it. > P.P.S. Unrelated question...What is the proper definition/translation > of this British word ?twee?? I thought I kinda knew, but I?ve > recently seen it in totally different context and now I?m confused. Umph, it's like the negative side of `quaint'. Merriam-Webster Online he say: Pronunciation: 'twE Function: adjective Etymology: baby-talk alteration of sweet chiefly British : affectedly or excessively dainty, delicate, cute, or quaint Which is about as good as I can get for a definition. Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Hawkwind 1997_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 3 16:15:08 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:15:08 -0400 Subject: The Matthew Wright connection Message-ID: (apologies to those who've already read this!) just to let you know that the Chart Trek campaign is now getting a lot of backing from Matthew Wrights contingent, somebody else mentioned the unofficial Wright Stuff page - http://tws-fans.co.uk/ has given the single a big push from that angle and there's now an active thread on the forum page, check that out by clicking on "Get Involved" followed by "Forum Board". think it might be worth some of you posting some messages over there, there is definite interest but feel the more traffic this generates other are going to start to think "i should be part of this to" messages IMO can be short and sweet but need to be enthusiastic, things such as "I've ordered mine", "come on lets make Matthews dream come true", that sort of thing. i know it could be construed as being a little bit cheeky but we're doing nothing wrong here, just aiming to get every last sale and who knows we might even convert / turn a few new people on to the band in doing so, they might in turn go the full hog and buy the album! thanks as ever for your support in these matters, and as ever "Spread the word!" regards Dave From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 3 16:58:43 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:58:43 -0700 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) In-Reply-To: <03c301c597a7$601be2a0$4ab84e51@default> Message-ID: I was a Talk Talk fan early and late. Whatever happened to them? I remember reading about Mark Hollis solo stuff but nothing else. Imagine > ambient PT crossed with a later period Talk Talk. > Hope SW steers the band away from the short song > format. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denis Regenbrecht" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM > Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] > Bavarian Planes) > > > > Hello, > > > > On 01.08.2005, at 21:17, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > >> Depends on where you're exactly. But if the > planes are 30-year old > > >> F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than > they're definitely > > >> ours ;-) > > > > > > Not even G for Germany either ;-( > > > > Nope, ours are F-4F, with the F standing for > nothing :-) > > > > [Eurofighter] > > > They've finally made it into squadron > service in Britain, > > > so yours > > > can't be too far behind... Then you only have > the first few years' > > > teething troubles while the service gets used to > a new plane after the > > > same one for 30 years... > > > > Though we're the second Fighter Wing that'll get > the EF in Germany, > > we're the first to fly it operationally (the other > Wing is just for > > training the pilots at the moment). Additionally > we'll continue > > flying the old Phantoms until the EF is fully > operational (at least > > 'til 2008), so everything will be very much fun in > the next few > > years.... ;-> > > > > [Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing"] > > > Hopefully not an appropriate title :-) > How's that come out, > > > anyway? Any reviews for it? SO far I've only > been able to get > > > thumbs up > > > from people who liked the Blackfield album and I > found that pretty > > > dispensable, so I'm wondering how much I need > this. What's > > > different from > > > _In Absentia_ and what's stayed the same? > > > > I'm not a PT-expert, in fact "Deadwing" and "In > Absentia" are the > > only two albums I have of the Wilson-troupe. > Nevertheless I'll try to > > do a short review/IMHO of sorts. > > DW is a further development of the sound of IA. > It's louder, heavier > > and more brute (especially so on "Deadwing" [with > an Adrian Belew- > > guest appearance] , "Shallow" and "Open Car"). > That's not to say that > > it sounds exactly like your typical > (prog-)metal-band, but it's more > > aggressive and energetic than some of the older PT > stuff, with a > > dominant distorted metal-like guitar-sound. > > Nevertheless there are also more "classical" > PT-songs with all the > > floydish synthworks, calm melodies, undistorted > guitar-solos and > > psychedelic influences one expects from PT > ("Mellotron Scratch", > > "Arriving Somewhere..." and "Glass Arm > Shattering"). > > To sum it up, I say that DW is varied and > interesting album. It is > > not as accessible and more dark than IA, but the > path of development > > can clearly be seen. Those who can't stand certain > (prog-)metal > > devices won't like it, but everyone who liked IA, > won't be > > disappointed by DW IMHO. 8 out of 10 on my own > D+R'o'meter > > > > (c)IAO > > D+R > > np: Kraftwerk, "Minimum-Maximum" > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 3 18:22:35 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:22:35 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Pete J Howe wrote: > The album charts are far more important to people seriously into whats > going on(did radiohead or pink floyd, for example ever really care about > the singles charts???)...im sure TMTYL will be the hawks best seller for > many years(at least 8 , anyway!..lol),despite it sadly limited > distibution.No, seriously....should be up there with levitation, or quark, > at least... I think Radiohead have always been a bit offhand about anyone buying their stuff at all, but I think of `Creep' and I guess they probably weren't *upset* (at least, not any more than usual) by its selling well. Floyd only gave up on the singles chart after resolutely failing to make ay kind of dent in it 1967 to 1970 :-) Yours, Jon (hoping for good things with this HW release; fearing the single will be late) -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 4 06:07:43 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:07:43 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: Good points Jon! i was just thinking of what people consider truly classic, or influential albums(O.K. Computer, Dark Side of the moon, Led ZepIV,Revolver,Joshua Tree,Nevermind,etc... even Songs for Swinging Lovers! etc...)this is the music that will remain important and sell buy the bucketload..(oh , and of course Space Ritual,W.O.T.E.O.T, and Q.S.&C !!)Some of these bands had massive singles, too, but influential bands /albums are far more important in musical history than 90% singles chart tosh...of course, the list could go on..(Joy Division,Bob Marley, The Smiths,Miles Davis,Sex Pistols...) Hey, on a lighter note I see the Hawkwind single is still at no 1, ahead of Oasis in pre order sales!Whatever one thinks of Matthew Wright,( and i think hes great for the band...not sure about his pal Vanessa!) he must be a massive help to the sale of the single.If you check out the Wright Stuff Fan Club theres a lot of info, pictures and promotion on the hawkwind single! regards pete "high up above, aliens hover making home movies for the folks back home....they'd take me aboard their beautiful ship,show me the world as id like to see it". From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 4 06:23:01 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:23:01 -0400 Subject: The Wright Stuff,baby, the Wright Stuff! Message-ID: Hey, yes, following on from Dave Laws thread, I see the Matthew Wright "Wright Stuff fan Club" page is really promoting the Hawkwind single big-time, with info, photos, and urging fans of Matthew to buy it and make his dream come true.Whatever one thinks of Matthew(and personally i think hes great for the band)...he's certainly a big asset to sales of the single..(not sure about his mate Vanessa though!). And I see its still at no 1, ahead of Oasis, in pre-order sales,at Amazon! It'll be interesting to hear the new studio version of "paradox" as it was a true highlight live, on the recent tour! Pete..."time for sale"(s)!! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 4 06:44:39 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:44:39 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Pete J Howe wrote: > i was just thinking of what people consider truly classic, or > influential albums(O.K. Computer, Dark Side of the moon, Led > ZepIV,Revolver,Joshua Tree,Nevermind,etc... even Songs for Swinging > Lovers! etc...)this is the music that will remain important and sell buy > the bucketload..(oh , and of course Space Ritual,W.O.T.E.O.T, and > Q.S.&C !!)Some of these bands had massive singles, too, but influential > bands /albums are far more important in musical history than 90% singles > chart tosh...of course, the list could go on..(Joy Division,Bob Marley, > The Smiths,Miles Davis,Sex Pistols...) One of the things that's always struck me as an essential characteristic of the great seventies bands is that their almost-always- only hit is nothing to do with the rest of their sound. B?C are top example; there's nothing else like `Reaper' in their catalogue (except maybe `I Love The Night'? and anyone going to their stuff for more of that won't find it. Similarly a whole load of the `classic' rock bands: Deep Purple have `Smoke on the Water', it's not exactly `Flight of the Rat' is it--Rainbow's `Since You Been Gone' isn't going to prepare anyone for `Stargazer', Focus's `Hocus Pocus' thank gods isn't like the rest of their stuff. Floyd until the mid-1990s had `Money' as the one song people who didn't have an album knew. The Damned still suffer from `Eloise', argtur Brown has `Fire'. On the other hand some seem to have got closer to showcasing their sound with singles: Led Zep'S `Whole Lotta love' probably qualifies, and of course `Silver Machine' is a pretty fair summary of what was going on in Hawkwind in 1971, even if it was way out of date for that purpose three years later. And `Ace of Spades' is so typical a Motorhead track that they've written it again at least once since 1979 :-) Is it just down to the individual bands' ability to resist the record execs? The notes in the Deep Purple and Sabbath remasters suggest that really had no sense of what would make a single, and nor did their record companies, and both had their throwaway efforts (`Black Night' and `Paranoid') go huge on them for no reason they could understand... Perhaps there isn't really a phenomenon here after all :-/ So, um, yeah, more tea less rambling perhaps. Yours, Jon ObCD: Ship of Fools - _Let's Get This Mother Outta Here_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Aug 4 07:04:35 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:04:35 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: > stuff. Floyd until the mid-1990s had `Money' as the one song people who > didn't have an album knew. The Damned still suffer from `Eloise', argtur And 'Another Brick...', of course, which was massive, but your point still stands. > On the other hand some seem to have got closer to showcasing their > sound with singles: Led Zep'S `Whole Lotta love' probably qualifies, and Was that ever released as a single over here? I thought they hadn't actually released any singles in the UK (though there were maybe jukebox 7"s?) . But whatever, as above, your point stands. From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 4 07:35:10 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:35:10 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV Message-ID: Hi, Where do I find this? Can you post a link? Cheers Stephe If you check out the > Wright Stuff Fan Club theres a lot of info, pictures and promotion on the > hawkwind single! From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 4 08:15:03 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:15:03 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV In-Reply-To: <001701c598e8$92a293d0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Hi stephe, Dave Law from the hawkwind museum has posted a link on the BOC-L list under "the Wright connection"heading... im sure a google search will bring it up, too!But theres some interesting stuff, including a pic of the band i hadnt seen, and a photo from the video shoot for the single too,(ive seen several of those on the video companys website) regards Pete >From: Stephe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Hawkwind SOTA @ HMV >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:35:10 -0400 > >Hi, Where do I find this? Can you post a link? Cheers Stephe > >If you check out the >>Wright Stuff Fan Club theres a lot of info, pictures and promotion on the >>hawkwind single! _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 4 14:43:27 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:43:27 -0400 Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan Message-ID: Just came across this. Don't if its new. Found it trying to find Mr. Wrights page, which I still can't locate. Heres some interesting stuff. Cheers Stephe ICU-Blood and Bone video. Not good quality as the original, but better than nothing if you don't have it. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hawkfan/hawkfan.html Hawkwind Watchfield 75. Brief but something I've never seen before. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_drw02/hwvidsamp.html From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Thu Aug 4 15:31:50 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:31:50 +0100 Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan In-Reply-To: <000b01c59924$671810f0$b5d93218@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Stephe, Try: http://www.tws-fans.co.uk/ Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Sent: 04 August 2005 19:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan Just came across this. Don't if its new. Found it trying to find Mr. Wrights page, which I still can't locate. Heres some interesting stuff. Cheers Stephe ICU-Blood and Bone video. Not good quality as the original, but better than nothing if you don't have it. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hawkfan/hawkfan.html Hawkwind Watchfield 75. Brief but something I've never seen before. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_drw02/hwvidsamp.html From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 4 15:45:24 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:45:24 -0400 Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan Message-ID: Excellent!! Many thanks Mark. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark von bargen" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Brian Tawns Hawkfan > Stephe, > > Try: > http://www.tws-fans.co.uk/ > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On > Behalf Of Stephe > Sent: 04 August 2005 19:43 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan > > Just came across this. Don't if its new. Found it trying to find Mr. > Wrights > page, which I still can't locate. Heres some interesting stuff. Cheers > Stephe > > ICU-Blood and Bone video. Not good quality as the original, but better > than > nothing if you don't have it. > http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hawkfan/hawkfan.html > > Hawkwind Watchfield 75. Brief but something I've never seen before. > http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_drw02/hwvidsamp.html From dplaw at IC24.NET Thu Aug 4 16:13:02 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:13:02 -0400 Subject: CHART TREK - A BRIEF UPDATE Message-ID: hi folks just to let you know that I'm going to be lying low for the next week or so as I'm off on me hols! for the latest lowdown on chart trek I've uploaded the following page which should keep you "up to speed!" http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/chart_trek.htm all pretty self explanatory, i hope! ;-) and just to say thanks for all you incredible support so far. so take a week off from my "banging on" (that's assuming there's no Internet access from where I'm staying) keep things chugging along and be ready on my return, for what really will be the "big push" as ever you can drop me an e-mail at davelaw at blueyonder.co.uk all the best regards Dave From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 4 17:58:09 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:58:09 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Joke on BBC R2 Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2_aod.shtml?radio2/r2_lloydcole about 20 mins in,, basically comedian manager phones into NME to promote HW "Andrew Collins, Stuart Maconie and David Quantick bring you a not-entirely-serious history of music & music journalism; from Hank Williams to Robbie Williams, via Don Williams, Vanessa Williams, Andy Williams and Van der Graaf Generator. Repeat - originally broadcast in 2002" From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 5 07:46:52 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:46:52 -0400 Subject: Brian Tawns Hawkfan Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:43:27 -0400, Stephe wrote: >http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/_hawkfan/hawkfan.html The verse of poetry on this page is actually Blake (from "Auguries of Innocence"), not Byron. Just had to get that off my chest. Nick From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Aug 5 08:41:58 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:41:58 +0100 Subject: Rock Fever cds...now official??? Message-ID: Well, I think that's probably good news - EMI haven't exactly done a great deal of justice to "The Famous Charisma Label" ltely, with the glorious exception of the VdGG reissues... ChrisW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:14:57 +0100 From: Cyberkrel Subject: Re: Rock Fever cds...now official??? Yeh - but if that was the case, could you blame the band for making something by "whatever means necessary" from their own music if it was the only way of getting it out there and making some money from it!! I wouldn't imagine for one minute that this is the case, but it shows what a sorry situation the whole thing has become if classic albums such as this can't get out - although now Sanctuary have bought up the entire rights to the Charisma back catalogue off EMI, it should be interesting in the next 12 months to see what their approach is, as they will now own the rights to all the Hawkwind Charisma label recordings. I guess the story will continue to unfold. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Rock Fever cds...now official??? > On 01/08/2005 09:23, Pete J Howe wrote: > > Have Hawkwind done some sort of deal with these Rock Fever guys?? > > Hawkwind?! Does anyone in or even connected to Hawkwind have any > rights to the likes of _QS&C_ anymore? That stuff as passed through > so many record companies over the last zillion years .... > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea at carlaz.com > http://www.carlaz.com/ NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Aug 6 10:00:26 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:00:26 EDT Subject: New Single... Message-ID: As it is the case with Amazon that they will despatch the single and the album together, does this mean that the sale for the single will only go through when they do this? I don't know if they take the money for the order now or just before they send it. If they do it later it will affect the possible chart placing. Steve. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Aug 6 10:26:20 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:26:20 +0100 Subject: New Single... In-Reply-To: <75.4abba559.30261c7a@aol.com> Message-ID: As I replied on the other list, they will despatch separately if asked (they are with mine) but it'll cost more postage. I expect the sale will count at the point they charge you which I'd imagine they'd do as soon as they can (i.e. on release date). I have one version of the single on order from Amazon (for immediate despatch) and the other to pick up at HMV on release day (hoping that advance orders might prompt the store to get more copies in - not everybody who sees the publicity we've been trying to generate will have the means, or the inlcination, to order online). Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of GutterCat at AOL.COM > Sent: 06 August 2005 15:00 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: New Single... > > > As it is the case with Amazon that they will despatch the > single and the album together, does this mean that the sale > for the single will only go through when they do this? I > don't know if they take the money for the order now or just > before they send it. If they do it later it will affect the > possible chart placing. Steve. > From coral at APORT.RU Sat Aug 6 10:50:28 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:50:28 +0400 Subject: New Single... Message-ID: I have ordered all at one order. But they actually can dispatch singles before album. They did it many times for me with items in the order that became available before others and I didn't pay additional postage. But knowing that it's only two weeks before the album item is avaiable they can wait and dispatch all at one day, the album release date. They take money on the day they prepare to dispatch the items. I have only one concern - will Voiceprint actually provide Amazon shop with cds prior to release date so that Amazon would be able to send them to use at that very day?.. With other VP releases it wasn't always the case. cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: New Single... > As it is the case with Amazon that they will despatch the single and the > album together, does this mean that the sale for the single will only go through > when they do this? > I don't know if they take the money for the order now or just before they > send it. If they do it later it will affect the possible chart placing. > Steve. > From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Aug 6 11:09:55 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:09:55 EDT Subject: New Single... Message-ID: In a message dated 06/08/2005 15:51:42 GMT Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: I have ordered all at one order. But they actually can dispatch singles before album. They did it many times for me with items in the order that became available before others and I didn't pay additional postage. But knowing that it's only two weeks before the album item is avaiable they can wait and dispatch all at one day, the album release date. They take money on the day they prepare to dispatch the items. That's what I was getting at. If they do that then will it only count as a sale on that day rather than when it is released? If that's the case I'll change my order as at the moment they will be despatched together. Steve. From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 6 13:11:55 2005 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:11:55 +0000 Subject: Off The Tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone know if this is gig will have Hawkwind performing?It's just I haven't seen any confirmation on mission control.My last message negleted to mention that Nik and crew WERE good at Treeworgy....I just rememember being gutted when I heard A bootleg tape seller touting tapes of the Hawkwind gig not long after they'd played.I said to him"who's that?Sounds great!"I'd never seen Simon House play with them beforeand was amazed,although I had heard on the vine that Huw had departed. Being a Langton lover (u no wot I mean),I was glad to hear them so together. thanks guys 'n gals.Alan. >From: alan day >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual >Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:24:43 +0000 > >Gottasay the spirit seems to lay with D.B. and the crew.When I think about >the differences in WHO can truely lay claim to what,in time,will become a >coverted(??)name,I'll just remember standing at the main stage in Treeworgy >fest,watching NikAnd hais all stars....while I missed H>WIND!!!!!!!!!!I at m >still FUMING!!!!Managed to get the gig on vid but that defeats the >point!!!WHY NIK????YOu were real bad too!! > >>From: Alan Taylor >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>Subject: Re: NIK - Space Ritual >>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:57:32 +0100 >> >>"The true spirit of Hawkwind". Ocht, you know Stephe, it's that good >>ole thing where everyone plays for free, the drugs are abundant, anyone >>can play whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, there's no >>fighting and bickering, there's no arguments about who never got paid >>and so on. Just a stick for Turner to hit Brock with. >> >>Stephe wrote: >> >>>Hi, Well I'd go see Nik. In the US, we don't get the luxury of seeing the >>>REAL Hawkwind. What is the True Spirit of Hawkwind anyways? Cheers Stephe >>> >>> >>>>In a message dated 21/07/2005 19:03:36 GMT Standard Time, >>>>alan.taylor96 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: >>>> >>>>It's a load of old dreck. It beggars belief that some still think that >>>>this 5 or 6/7ths-ish of the original band can legitmately lay claim to >>>>the Hawkwind name. To hell with the 'true spirit of Hawkwind', I'm >>>>with >>>>Brock Davey and Chadwick all the way. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 8 08:05:09 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:05:09 +0100 Subject: SPIRIT OF THE AGE - LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN! In-Reply-To: Dave Law's message of Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: OK, 500 Voiceprint flyers handed out at Worldcon. There can't be a Klingon left in the Galaxy who hasn't seen one... Cheers Mike From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 9 09:36:05 2005 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:36:05 +0100 Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) Message-ID: Mark Hollis had at least one solo album - okay but not brilliant. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary shindler" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] Bavarian Planes) > I was a Talk Talk fan early and late. Whatever > happened to them? I remember reading about Mark Hollis > solo stuff but nothing else. > > Imagine > > ambient PT crossed with a later period Talk Talk. > > Hope SW steers the band away from the short song > > format. > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denis Regenbrecht" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM > > Subject: Porcupine Tree "Deadwing" (was: [OFF] > > Bavarian Planes) > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > On 01.08.2005, at 21:17, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > >> Depends on where you're exactly. But if the > > planes are 30-year old > > > >> F-4 Phantoms that smoke like a chimney, than > > they're definitely > > > >> ours ;-) > > > > > > > > Not even G for Germany either ;-( > > > > > > Nope, ours are F-4F, with the F standing for > > nothing :-) > > > > > > [Eurofighter] > > > > They've finally made it into squadron > > service in Britain, > > > > so yours > > > > can't be too far behind... Then you only have > > the first few years' > > > > teething troubles while the service gets used to > > a new plane after the > > > > same one for 30 years... > > > > > > Though we're the second Fighter Wing that'll get > > the EF in Germany, > > > we're the first to fly it operationally (the other > > Wing is just for > > > training the pilots at the moment). Additionally > > we'll continue > > > flying the old Phantoms until the EF is fully > > operational (at least > > > 'til 2008), so everything will be very much fun in > > the next few > > > years.... ;-> > > > > > > [Porcupine Tree, "Deadwing"] > > > > Hopefully not an appropriate title :-) > > How's that come out, > > > > anyway? Any reviews for it? SO far I've only > > been able to get > > > > thumbs up > > > > from people who liked the Blackfield album and I > > found that pretty > > > > dispensable, so I'm wondering how much I need > > this. What's > > > > different from > > > > _In Absentia_ and what's stayed the same? > > > > > > I'm not a PT-expert, in fact "Deadwing" and "In > > Absentia" are the > > > only two albums I have of the Wilson-troupe. > > Nevertheless I'll try to > > > do a short review/IMHO of sorts. > > > DW is a further development of the sound of IA. > > It's louder, heavier > > > and more brute (especially so on "Deadwing" [with > > an Adrian Belew- > > > guest appearance] , "Shallow" and "Open Car"). > > That's not to say that > > > it sounds exactly like your typical > > (prog-)metal-band, but it's more > > > aggressive and energetic than some of the older PT > > stuff, with a > > > dominant distorted metal-like guitar-sound. > > > Nevertheless there are also more "classical" > > PT-songs with all the > > > floydish synthworks, calm melodies, undistorted > > guitar-solos and > > > psychedelic influences one expects from PT > > ("Mellotron Scratch", > > > "Arriving Somewhere..." and "Glass Arm > > Shattering"). > > > To sum it up, I say that DW is varied and > > interesting album. It is > > > not as accessible and more dark than IA, but the > > path of development > > > can clearly be seen. Those who can't stand certain > > (prog-)metal > > > devices won't like it, but everyone who liked IA, > > won't be > > > disappointed by DW IMHO. 8 out of 10 on my own > > D+R'o'meter > > > > > > (c)IAO > > > D+R > > > np: Kraftwerk, "Minimum-Maximum" > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > From denis at PTI-INC.DE Tue Aug 9 11:53:24 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:53:24 +0200 Subject: [HW] Certainty of Dec 21st Astoria date Message-ID: Hi, as I'm currently planning my schedule for this year's winter-holiday, I'm very interested in the certainty of the planned December 21st Astoria gig. Has anyone (preferably HW themselves *g*) any specific information yet? Booking flights and hotels far in advance can save you a lot of money, you know... :-) (c)IAO D+R np: Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3" From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Aug 10 07:56:44 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:56:44 +0000 Subject: press article: 'The UK's love of Magic Mushrooms' ( Hawkwind reference too!!:) Message-ID: Here's a very interesting read...Peace, Mike http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4692359.stm From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 10 08:00:40 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:00:40 +0100 Subject: HW: New Single... In-Reply-To: <001201c59a96$301e4830$8aa7fea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Alisa wrote: > I have only one concern - will Voiceprint actually provide Amazon shop with > cds prior to release date so that Amazon would be able to send them to use > at that very day?.. With other VP releases it wasn't always the case. I'm afraid I have similar reservations. But presumably if we pre-order and Voiceprint are late releasing it as may be the case, it'll still hit the sales figures at the same time when or if it finally does emerge and we won't be billed until it can be despatched. Hopefully, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From CWarburton at OAG.COM Wed Aug 10 08:00:32 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:00:32 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Aug 2005 to 10 Aug 2005 (#2005-205) Message-ID: It's up on the Astoria/Mean Fiddler site, and Stargreen are taking bookings... http://meanfiddler.lggmedia.com/info.asp?id=1199429&ev=%24astoria&tp=&sb _date=5%2F7%2F2005&date_field=0&genre=general&showall= http://www.stargreen.com/artist/?HAWKWIND ============================================= Chris Warburton ============================================= > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:53:24 +0200 > From: Denis Regenbrecht > Subject: [HW] Certainty of Dec 21st Astoria date > > Hi, > > as I'm currently planning my schedule for this year's > winter-holiday, I'm very interested in the certainty of the > planned December 21st Astoria > gig. Has anyone (preferably HW themselves *g*) any specific > information yet? Booking flights and hotels far in advance > can save you a lot of money, you know... :-) > > (c)IAO > D+R > np: Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3" > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 9 Aug 2005 to 10 Aug 2005 (#2005-205) > *********************************************************** > > NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From denis at PTI-INC.DE Wed Aug 10 09:41:58 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:41:58 +0200 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Aug 2005 to 10 Aug 2005 (#2005-205) In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD37DEBE@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: Hi, On 10.08.2005, at 14:00, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: > It's up on the Astoria/Mean Fiddler site, and Stargreen are taking > bookings... > > http://meanfiddler.lggmedia.com/info.asp?id=1199429&ev=% > 24astoria&tp=&sb > _date=5%2F7%2F2005&date_field=0&genre=general&showall= > > http://www.stargreen.com/artist/?HAWKWIND > ============================================= > Chris Warburton > ============================================= Cool, thx. (c)IAO D'love those cheapo-airlines (?50 Cologne-London and back)'+R From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Aug 11 05:38:30 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:38:30 -0400 Subject: rock fever release, the wright stuff &lyrics! Message-ID: Hi, yes, i think you were right..Amazon listed the release date as 9th aug for Quark cd, but its now unavailable...surprise, surprise! Anyone know about the Quark cd release on "Sunrise records" with 9 bonus live tracks???It cant be the Rock fever illegal Quark/Astounding sounds coupling cd. or is someone pulling a fast one?(see amazon "used marketplace" releases). And anyone know if Matthew Wright will be doing anything on his show, The Wright Stuff, to promote the single, video and album? Pete.. p.s.- Anyone seen the misheard hawkwind lyrics at amiright.com?? Hilarious..particularly the song "PXR5"("2 years ago , our overdraft failed...")and "treadmill"("i'm so p*ssed and im so cold..."lol,i thought it was that!!!)...and btw as for "lord of light" ..i struggled for years with that one! Pete..("ere long do does did...") :-) From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Thu Aug 11 06:20:37 2005 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:20:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: rock fever release, the wright stuff &lyrics! Message-ID: Well done Pete - this is a great site! I particularly enjoyed the MotU parody "Former Mr Universe" to be found here: http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/hawkwind0.shtml Gonna be here hours now. Damn you ;@) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete J Howe" To: Sent: 11 August 2005 10:38 Subject: rock fever release, the wright stuff &lyrics! > Hi, > yes, i think you were right..Amazon listed the release date as 9th aug > for Quark cd, but its now unavailable...surprise, surprise! > Anyone know about the Quark cd release on "Sunrise records" with 9 bonus > live tracks???It cant be the Rock fever illegal Quark/Astounding sounds > coupling cd. or is someone pulling a fast one?(see amazon "used > marketplace" releases). > And anyone know if Matthew Wright will be doing anything on his show, > The Wright Stuff, to promote the single, video and album? > Pete.. > p.s.- Anyone seen the misheard hawkwind lyrics at amiright.com?? > Hilarious..particularly the song "PXR5"("2 years ago , our overdraft > failed...")and "treadmill"("i'm so p*ssed and im so cold..."lol,i thought > it was that!!!)...and btw as for "lord of light" ..i struggled for years > with that one! > Pete..("ere long do does did...") :-) > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Aug 11 16:24:52 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:24:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Litmus will be playing at the Telegraph in Brixton (http://www.thebrixtontelegraph.co.uk/) on Thursday 1st September. They are due on stage at 9:45pm. Admission is ?5.00 Colin From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Aug 12 18:40:14 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (HAWKWIND) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ It has saddened us that certain fan(s) have attempted to sell their *free* "This is your Captain Speaking - Take Me To Your Leader" sample promo cd on ebay for personal profit. This is exploiting our fans by demanding money for what is essentially a free product. Please do not allow yourself to be ripped off in this manner. DO NOT buy the free promo cd from ebay. We will guarantee that you will receive the promo disc absolutely FREE if you register to become a Hawkwind Passport holder by 21st August, by sending your details to us by e-mailing us USING THE LINK PROVIDED ON OUR UPDATES PAGE: http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm#ph THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP BY A PRINTED FORM POSTED TO THE ADDRESS BELOW ASAP (within 14 days). PLEASE DO NOT USE THE ABOVE FOR GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE OR CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE Thanks HAWKWIND If you do receive extra copies of this disc (due to being on two or more different mailing lists) please *give* your extra copy away to someone who would appreciate it... help spread the good will, not exploit it............... + ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 12 19:23:43 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:23:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: Hej, It takes a few idiots to ruin a good thing. Hope they are happy with themselves. Cheers Stephe > > It has saddened us that certain fan(s) have attempted to sell their > *free* "This is your Captain Speaking - Take Me To Your Leader" sample > promo cd on ebay for personal profit. This is exploiting our fans by > demanding money for what is essentially a free product. Please do not allow > yourself to be ripped off in this manner. DO NOT buy the free promo cd from > ebay. We will guarantee that you will receive the promo disc absolutely > FREE if you register to become a Hawkwind Passport holder by 21st August, > by sending your details to us by e-mailing us USING THE LINK PROVIDED ON > OUR UPDATES PAGE: > http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm#ph > THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP BY A PRINTED FORM POSTED TO THE ADDRESS BELOW ASAP > (within 14 days). PLEASE DO NOT USE THE ABOVE FOR GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE OR > CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > > Thanks > > HAWKWIND > > If you do receive extra copies of this disc (due to being on two or more > different mailing lists) please *give* your extra copy away to someone who > would appreciate it... help spread the good will, not exploit > it............... > > > + ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Aug 13 10:45:10 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:45:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea that's so pathetic that someone would do that. We've had quite a bit of discussion on the ethical pros and cons of doing this on the bigger group, needless to say most feel its really egregious. M -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of HAWKWIND Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:40 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ It has saddened us that certain fan(s) have attempted to sell their *free* "This is your Captain Speaking - Take Me To Your Leader" sample promo cd on ebay for personal profit. This is exploiting our fans by demanding money for what is essentially a free product. Please do not allow yourself to be ripped off in this manner. DO NOT buy the free promo cd from ebay. We will guarantee that you will receive the promo disc absolutely FREE if you register to become a Hawkwind Passport holder by 21st August, by sending your details to us by e-mailing us USING THE LINK PROVIDED ON OUR UPDATES PAGE: http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm#ph THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP BY A PRINTED FORM POSTED TO THE ADDRESS BELOW ASAP (within 14 days). PLEASE DO NOT USE THE ABOVE FOR GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE OR CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE Thanks HAWKWIND If you do receive extra copies of this disc (due to being on two or more different mailing lists) please *give* your extra copy away to someone who would appreciate it... help spread the good will, not exploit it............... + ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 13 18:43:55 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:43:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: Attn Albert B In-Reply-To: <9794901.1123889023876.JavaMail.root@web5.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hey Al, would you drop me a line off-list? I'd like to talk to you about possible gigs in Ireland. Ta, Chris. From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Aug 13 19:05:55 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:05:55 +0100 Subject: New Single... Message-ID: Hi Streve, I ordered the 2 singles as one item and the album seperately. I then added the "hawkwind Saga" book to the album order: a) to qualify for free postage b) 'cos they'd dropped the price to a bit less than 14 quid and c) 'cos I'm a cheapskate like that (feel free to disagree with c)). I then cancelled the album form that order when I realised (due to the kind info from other members of this list) that it did not include the DVD. I then added the correct version of the album. At which point Amazon decided to send the book at that time (it's here in my sweaty mits (almost) as I type.....) with the album to follow and no postage charge at all. Nice to know that things can go according to plan (?) on occasion. Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: New Single... > As it is the case with Amazon that they will despatch the single and the > album together, does this mean that the sale for the single will only go through > when they do this? > I don't know if they take the money for the order now or just before they > send it. If they do it later it will affect the possible chart placing. > Steve. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Aug 13 21:46:43 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:46:43 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: CBGB question for Al Message-ID: I've been following the bits and pieces of news concerning the likely closing of CBGB. As a NY musicians contemporary to and influenced by the bands that made CBGB famous, how do the Surgeons feel about it? For those who don't know, the owners of the building CBGB occupies want to raise the rent to levels consistent with other establishments in the area, which is in the midst of "gentrification." CBGB can't afford the rent, so it may close, or the owner is even considering moving the club to Vegas. I'd rather CBGB could continue as is, but if that's not possible I don't think it should be artifically preserved as some kind of shrine or turned into a "Punk Rock Cafe" on the Vegas strip either. Brian From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Sun Aug 14 01:12:01 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:12:01 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: CBGB question for Al In-Reply-To: <200508140146.j7E1khXq014617@mail6.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: You would think that Hilly Kristal would be loaded considering the merchandising of CBGBs in Hot Topic and other trendy clothing boutiques. Rich kids all over buy the shirts. Even the guy in that Jennifer Garner movie was wearing a shirt. --- blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM wrote: > I've been following the bits and pieces of news > concerning the likely closing of CBGB. As a NY > musicians contemporary to and influenced by the > bands that made CBGB famous, how do the Surgeons > feel about it? > > For those who don't know, the owners of the building > CBGB occupies want to raise the rent to levels > consistent with other establishments in the area, > which is in the midst of "gentrification." CBGB > can't afford the rent, so it may close, or the owner > is even considering moving the club to Vegas. > > I'd rather CBGB could continue as is, but if that's > not possible I don't think it should be artifically > preserved as some kind of shrine or turned into a > "Punk Rock Cafe" on the Vegas strip either. > > Brian > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 14 13:15:06 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:15:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Radio Shows (now Mp3 format!!) + Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com August 14, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #133), Drool Trough (show #35), and Tapegerm Radio (show #3). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NOTE: As of today all new radio shows will be available in Mp3 format, in addition to the usual RealAudio. Do we need to keep the RealAudio??? I?d like to transition to Mp3 only if possible. Send me your feedback at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock this week is the just released (by Nasoni Records) Zone Six ? ?Live Wired 2004?, available in both CD & 2-LP colored vinyl. I?ve also got the new Nasoni LP reissue of the 1996 classic ?Exploring the Psychedelic?, the debut album by Liquid Sound Company. Also in stock is the Gates of Dawn label 2-LP clear blue vinyl edition of Porcupine Tree?s ?Deadwing?, which includes 2 songs not on the Lava CD release. I?ve got Fantasyy Factoryy?s fantastic ?Paintings from Inner Space? (beautiful gatefold vinyl and artwork). And finally, I?ve long stocked the 2-LP Space Debris ? ?Krautrock Sessions 1994-2001?, but due to popular demand I?ve now got the CDR version the band has made available. I?ve also got several CD & LP titles from the September Gurls label, but they?ve only just arrived and I?ll need a couple days to get them added to the store. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #133) First Band From Outer Space ? ?Make Yourself Heard For The Sake Of The World? (from We?re Only In It For The Spacerock) Zone Six ? ?Hopscotch? (from Live Wired 2004) Jet Jaguar ? ?Hell Is For Heroes? (from What?s Up, Mutants? Vol. II) Elton Junk ? ?Again in the Room? (from What?s Up, Mutants? Vol. II) The Voyage Limpid Sound ? ?Electric Yard? (from Electronically Enhanced Dream) Harts Horn ? ?Toffler Was Right? (from Cernlinnos) Porcupine Tree ? ?Ambulance Chasing? (from Recordings) Fantasyy Factoryy ? ?Demon Lover (The Abyss of your Mind)? (from Paintings >From Inner Space) Space Debris ? ?Long Distance Voyager? (from Krautrock Sessions 1994-2001) Vocokesh - "New Cropcircle Boogie" (from Through The Smoke) Drool Trough (show #35) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Tammany Hall Machine ? ?Happy Birthday LSD? (from Tammany Hall Machine) Kalles World Tour ? ?Normal? (from Start) Stiv Bators ? ?Misery Loves Company? (from L.A. Confidential) The Insaints ? ?Stupid Boy? (from Sins Of Saints) The Turpentine Brothers ? ?Love?s Gone Bad? (from We Don?t Care About Your Good Times) Non Finire Mai ? ?Propeller Boy? (from Katzenjammer) Jesse Krakow ? ?Missed A Boogie? (from Oceans In The Sun) Angels ? ?10? 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Buzzsaw & The Shavings - Foreign Minister Sazonov Confronted by a Rant climax Generator - My Body Falling Apart Shell - Kris59 http://Aural-Innovations.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 14 13:59:16 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:59:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying our mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result of this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief charities. As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus (who gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the audience, we raised a reasonable sum. The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now wants to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and the care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are unable or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a year and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this effort. While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has made an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to judgement in future;). Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list as a thread that has become boring. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "HAWKWIND" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > ++ ++ STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ > > It has saddened us that certain fan(s) have attempted to sell their > *free* "This is your Captain Speaking - Take Me To Your Leader" sample > promo cd on ebay for personal profit. This is exploiting our fans by > demanding money for what is essentially a free product. Please do not allow > yourself to be ripped off in this manner. DO NOT buy the free promo cd from > ebay. We will guarantee that you will receive the promo disc absolutely > FREE if you register to become a Hawkwind Passport holder by 21st August, > by sending your details to us by e-mailing us USING THE LINK PROVIDED ON > OUR UPDATES PAGE: > http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm#ph > THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP BY A PRINTED FORM POSTED TO THE ADDRESS BELOW ASAP > (within 14 days). PLEASE DO NOT USE THE ABOVE FOR GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE OR > CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > > Thanks > > HAWKWIND > > If you do receive extra copies of this disc (due to being on two or more > different mailing lists) please *give* your extra copy away to someone who > would appreciate it... help spread the good will, not exploit > it............... > > > + ++ MESSAGE ENDS ++ + ++ + > From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Aug 14 14:32:27 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:32:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single In-Reply-To: <002801c5a0f9$e310b130$a4344254@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: Well that's different then innit? I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that information on it. I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. Anyway all in a good cause for sure M -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying our mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result of this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief charities. As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus (who gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the audience, we raised a reasonable sum. The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now wants to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and the care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are unable or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a year and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this effort. While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has made an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to judgement in future;). Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list as a thread that has become boring. Colin From bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL Sun Aug 14 14:35:54 2005 From: bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:35:54 +0200 Subject: HW: Promo Single In-Reply-To: <000901c5a0fe$8e74e510$6401a8c0@deepthought> Message-ID: On 14 Aug 2005 at 14:32, Mike Montfort wrote: > Well that's different then innit? > > I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that > information on it. Well the information isn't there... Strange... Bart > > I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. > > Anyway all in a good cause for sure > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Colin Allen Sent: > Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > > I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all > enjoying our mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries > bordering the Indian Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous > proportions. As a result of this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri > Lankan, lost most of her family. Consequently, we converted a gig that > we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric Teantacles and Litmus) into a > benefit gig for the tsunami relief charities. As a result of the > generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus (who gave back > half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the audience, > we raised a reasonable sum. > > The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now > wants to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction > effort and the care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to > this but are unable or unwilling to pay her for they year. > Consequently, a group of us are trying to raise enough money to enable > her to live in Sri Lanka for a year and pay for her UK mortgage etc. > Consequently, when the promo CD arrived and had been listened to, we > decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this effort. > > While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has > made an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to > an end. > > To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush > to judgement in future;). > > Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo > list as a thread that has become boring. > > Colin > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Aug 14 14:39:20 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:39:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCBGB In-Reply-To: <200508140146.j7E1khXq014617@mail6.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: I got the CBGB photo book for my birthday, and it has a good pic of Allen Lanier playing guitar with richard sohl and lenny kaye of the patti smith group, andy and jonathan paley of the paley brothers and david johansen. circa 1977. Also, some great Dictators pics, and handsome dick manitoba's is the last photo in the bookeroo. Nifty stuff. Jason From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 14 14:55:30 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:55:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > Well that's different then innit? > > I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that > information on it. > > I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. > > Anyway all in a good cause for sure > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On > Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > > I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying our > mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian > Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result of > this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. > Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric > Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief charities. > As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus (who > gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the > audience, we raised a reasonable sum. > > The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now wants > to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and the > care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are unable > or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are > trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a year > and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived > and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this effort. > > While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has made > an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. > > To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to > judgement in future;). > > Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list as > a thread that has become boring. > > Colin > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Aug 14 15:14:07 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:14:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single In-Reply-To: <001201c5a101$be274110$3e3c4354@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 19:55 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will > bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. But, if it's listed as a charity auction then people might bid a bit higher because of that. (At least that has been my impression of fundraising sales of memorabilia on other lists.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 14 15:21:06 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:21:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: Hi, It does not seem to work that way on E-Bay; kollektors tend to bid whatever they think that item is worth and I would assume that they are the main market for this as every fan who wants one can get one. Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 19:55 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > > No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will > > bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. > > But, if it's listed as a charity auction then people might bid a bit > higher because of that. (At least that has been my impression of > fundraising sales of memorabilia on other lists.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Aug 14 17:16:18 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: of course not, you only just came up with that one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will > bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Montfort" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > >> Well that's different then innit? >> >> I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that >> information on it. >> >> I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. >> >> Anyway all in a good cause for sure >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On >> Behalf Of Colin Allen >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >> Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single >> >> >> I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying > our >> mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian >> Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result > of >> this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. >> Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric >> Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief > charities. >> As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus > (who >> gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the >> audience, we raised a reasonable sum. >> >> The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now >> wants >> to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and > the >> care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are > unable >> or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are >> trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a >> year >> and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived >> and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this > effort. >> >> While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has > made >> an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. >> >> To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to >> judgement in future;). >> >> Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list > as >> a thread that has become boring. >> >> Colin >> > > __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Aug 14 17:44:06 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:44:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: Mark, you are entitled to your views, however wrong they may be. Colin On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +0100, Mark Storer wrote: >of course not, you only just came up with that one > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Colin Allen" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > >> No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will >> bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. >> >> Colin >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Montfort" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:32 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single >> >> >>> Well that's different then innit? >>> >>> I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that >>> information on it. >>> >>> I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. >>> >>> Anyway all in a good cause for sure >>> >>> M >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC- L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] >> On >>> Behalf Of Colin Allen >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM >>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >>> Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single >>> >>> >>> I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying >> our >>> mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian >>> Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result >> of >>> this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. >>> Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric >>> Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief >> charities. >>> As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus >> (who >>> gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the >>> audience, we raised a reasonable sum. >>> >>> The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now >>> wants >>> to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and >> the >>> care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are >> unable >>> or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are >>> trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a >>> year >>> and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived >>> and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this >> effort. >>> >>> While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has >> made >>> an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. >>> >>> To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to >>> judgement in future;). >>> >>> Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list >> as >>> a thread that has become boring. >>> >>> Colin >>> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Aug 14 20:09:52 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:09:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: errrrrrr..........be careful, my friend - the art of shooting first and asking questions later is not yet dead, it seems!!! Better to ask before accuse! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Storer To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > of course not, you only just came up with that one > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Allen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > > > No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will > > bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. > > > > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Montfort" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > > > > > >> Well that's different then innit? > >> > >> I perhaps should have looked at the page more carefully to see that > >> information on it. > >> > >> I assume that it was billed as a fundraising auction. > >> > >> Anyway all in a good cause for sure > >> > >> M > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On > >> Behalf Of Colin Allen > >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:59 PM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > >> Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > >> > >> > >> I am sure that all of you will remember that, while we were all enjoying > > our > >> mid-Winter festivities, many parts of the countries bordering the Indian > >> Ocean were laid waste by a tsunami of enormous proportions. As a result > > of > >> this, a close friend of mine, who is Sri Lankan, lost most of her family. > >> Consequently, we converted a gig that we were putting on in Exeter (Ozric > >> Teantacles and Litmus) into a benefit gig for the tsunami relief > > charities. > >> As a result of the generosity of the Ozrics (thanks Brandi:) ), Litmus > > (who > >> gave back half of their fee), the venue, FSOE and, particularly, the > >> audience, we raised a reasonable sum. > >> > >> The same friend has now been back to Sri Lanka several times and now > >> wants > >> to take a one year sabbatical to help with the reconstruction effort and > > the > >> care of the many orphans. Her employers have agreed to this but are > > unable > >> or unwilling to pay her for they year. Consequently, a group of us are > >> trying to raise enough money to enable her to live in Sri Lanka for a > >> year > >> and pay for her UK mortgage etc. Consequently, when the promo CD arrived > >> and had been listened to, we decided to sell it on E-Bay to aid this > > effort. > >> > >> While the subsequent outrage on the part of one or two individuals has > > made > >> an interesting psychological study, it is now time to bring it to an end. > >> > >> To those who were outraged, perhaps you will not be so quick to rush to > >> judgement in future;). > >> > >> Hopefully, this will end what Keef accurately described on the Yahoo list > > as > >> a thread that has become boring. > >> > >> Colin > >> > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Sun Aug 14 20:13:22 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:13:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: Personally, I would be surprised if that made a jot of difference - a collector will pay what a collector can afford regardless of where the money's going to. Better to give it to Colin's good cause than the Clear Channel!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 19:55 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > > No, it was not billed as such; no reason to. If people want it, they will > > bid on it, regardless of the reason for the sale. > > But, if it's listed as a charity auction then people might bid a bit > higher because of that. (At least that has been my impression of > fundraising sales of memorabilia on other lists.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Aug 14 20:21:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:21:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <002401c5a105$521910d0$3e3c4354@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Colin Allen wrote: > It does not seem to work that way on E-Bay; kollektors tend to bid whatever > they think that item is worth and I would assume that they are the main > market for this as every fan who wants one can get one. I can think of one happy counter-example to this, which is a good enough story to be worth telling. Occasionally you'll all have seen me rave about a US hardcore/stoner band of high weirdness called Clutch. Their first EP now goes for silly money, usually about USD50 for the first issue. Now, one really long-time fan of theirs had to finance some medical treatment I think for his wife, and eventually had to start selling his collection, and that USD50 started to look essential and so he bit the bullet and put his copy of this EP on E-Bay. But he'd already told people on the Clutch message board he was going to have to do this, so unbeknownst to him they banded together and bid about USD250 for it. Then once he had the money they sent him the EP back with an explanation. I thought that was pretty cool when I heard it. Maybe it has to be the *right* Kollectors. Yours, Jon Ob2LP: Bevis Frond - _Son of Walter_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Aug 14 21:16:50 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:16:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single - a Kollector speaks Message-ID: Interesting. This may not apply to everyone (or indeed anyone else at all) but speaking personally as a Kollector I have to admit that paying money for something I subsequently discovered was freely available elsewhere would leave me just a tad annoyed - certainly feeling I had been duped into paying for something when I need not have done so - even if it turned out the money had gone to a Good Cause. I may just be naive but I have to assume the people I buy things from are giving me full information about the items I am buying. For me it is a question of honesty - I trust the people I am buying from are not concealing information that would affect my desire to purchase and in return I am willing to pay as much money as it takes to fulfil that desire. I suppose the Kollectors warning CAVEAT EMPTOR should perhaps (like an entry into Purgatory) be spread across the Ebay home page in brilliant flashing colours as a constant reminder but the occasions (not on Ebay but through other sources) where I later discovered I was conned either in an item or in the purchase price has prevented me ever making further purchases from the sellers concerned. Not that this makes any difference in the grand scheme of things but, basically, if I trust someone with my money I expect an honest return. jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sun Aug 14 21:37:19 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:37:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Hi Colin, Well I see the cause, but why aren't you selling your complete collection of raritites. Why just this one. Wouldn't the whole collection generate more money? Or is this BS? Cheers Stephe From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Aug 15 01:13:12 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:13:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single In-Reply-To: <00b601c5a12e$270f2a40$57e28351@andy> Message-ID: On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 01:13 +0100, Cyberkrel wrote: > Personally, I would be surprised if that made a jot of difference - a > collector will pay what a collector can afford regardless of where the > money's going to. Better to give it to Colin's good cause than the Clear > Channel!!! I'm not sure how Clear Channel got into the picture, but I agree it probably doesn't make much difference mentioning any charitable intentions on an eBay auction---mainly because of the poor reputation eBay is earning regarding a place to get scammed/ripped off, leading people to be sceptical of a "this is for a worthy cause" plea in the item listing. (I'm not saying this reputation is justified, just it is becoming more prevalent.) I guess (like I said originally) I was generalising from other music mailing lists I've been on, where memorabilia has been auctioned off for charitable purposes. But, those auctions have been conducted through the lists themselves. One case in point was a guy who was diagnosed with kidney cancer. He had no medical insurance, and the hospital wouldn't operate until he could pony up a good chunk of cash up front. He started offering up his own kollectables for sale on the list, to raise money, and this triggered a kind of flood of other people offering up theirs, with the proceeds to go to this guy's medical fund. It was nice to see people bidding over the going rate, knowing they were helping out a good cause. Some amazing rarities came out of the woodwork, and the guy did eventually manage to get his operation. To tie what you said with what Jill said (and Colin observed): I'd be surprised if REAL Kollectors actually bid on his item. Surely they'd know they could get one for free anyway. I would presume the casual/uninformed fan would be the one to bid, not realising it could potentially be obtained as a freebie. It's a shame to see Colin getting hassled over trying to help out a worthy cause. :-( Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 15 04:57:25 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:57:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Maybe; that certainly shows a side to human nature which is most pleasant. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:21 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Colin Allen wrote: > > > It does not seem to work that way on E-Bay; kollektors tend to bid whatever > > they think that item is worth and I would assume that they are the main > > market for this as every fan who wants one can get one. > > I can think of one happy counter-example to this, which is a good > enough story to be worth telling. Occasionally you'll all have seen me > rave about a US hardcore/stoner band of high weirdness called > Clutch. Their first EP now goes for silly money, usually about USD50 for > the first issue. Now, one really long-time fan of theirs had to finance > some medical treatment I think for his wife, and eventually had to start > selling his collection, and that USD50 started to look essential and so he > bit the bullet and put his copy of this EP on E-Bay. But he'd already told > people on the Clutch message board he was going to have to do this, so > unbeknownst to him they banded together and bid about USD250 for it. Then > once he had the money they sent him the EP back with an explanation. > > I thought that was pretty cool when I heard it. Maybe it has to be > the *right* Kollectors. Yours, > Jon > > Ob2LP: Bevis Frond - _Son of Walter_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error > Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." > London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 15 05:03:41 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:03:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: It probably would; however, most of my "rarities" cannot be sold. The only true rarities that I have are the live multitrack and desk recordings that I made while working with the band. As the IP on these recordings belongs to the band and they have not been made available to the public, they are not mine to sell. I never was a Kollector, so do not have mis-pressings, oddities etc. The only "real" legitimate rarity that I had was the mispressed Spacebrock CD and I traded that with somebody on this list. Besides, I like to listen to Quark, Warrior and Hawklords. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Hi Colin, Well I see the cause, but why aren't you selling your complete collection of raritites. Why just this one. Wouldn't the whole collection generate more money? Or is this BS? Cheers Stephe > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Aug 15 05:07:56 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:07:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single Message-ID: I would also point out that "my" share of the profits (if any) from Sonic Rock 2005 will also be going to the same cause, as will any profit from the Litmus/Underground Zero gig at the Standard on October 7th. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 01:13 +0100, Cyberkrel wrote: > > Personally, I would be surprised if that made a jot of difference - a > > collector will pay what a collector can afford regardless of where the > > money's going to. Better to give it to Colin's good cause than the Clear > > Channel!!! > > I'm not sure how Clear Channel got into the picture, but I agree it > probably doesn't make much difference mentioning any charitable > intentions on an eBay auction---mainly because of the poor reputation > eBay is earning regarding a place to get scammed/ripped off, leading > people to be sceptical of a "this is for a worthy cause" plea in the > item listing. (I'm not saying this reputation is justified, just it is > becoming more prevalent.) > > I guess (like I said originally) I was generalising from other music > mailing lists I've been on, where memorabilia has been auctioned off for > charitable purposes. But, those auctions have been conducted through > the lists themselves. One case in point was a guy who was diagnosed > with kidney cancer. He had no medical insurance, and the hospital > wouldn't operate until he could pony up a good chunk of cash up front. > He started offering up his own kollectables for sale on the list, to > raise money, and this triggered a kind of flood of other people offering > up theirs, with the proceeds to go to this guy's medical fund. It was > nice to see people bidding over the going rate, knowing they were > helping out a good cause. Some amazing rarities came out of the > woodwork, and the guy did eventually manage to get his operation. > > To tie what you said with what Jill said (and Colin observed): I'd be > surprised if REAL Kollectors actually bid on his item. Surely they'd > know they could get one for free anyway. I would presume the > casual/uninformed fan would be the one to bid, not realising it could > potentially be obtained as a freebie. > > It's a shame to see Colin getting hassled over trying to help out a > worthy cause. :-( > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From coral at APORT.RU Mon Aug 15 05:16:51 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:16:51 +0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Really, what would we call a rarity in this case? I don't want to count unavailable albums as rarities just because the band don't want to re-release them. I have most of the HW and Related cds but I don't buy another copy of strange compilations or Yuri Gagarin and I don't have any misspressings, etc. - am I a Kollektor?.. :) cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > It probably would; however, most of my "rarities" cannot be sold. The only > true rarities that I have are the live multitrack and desk recordings that I > made while working with the band. As the IP on these recordings belongs to > the band and they have not been made available to the public, they are not > mine to sell. > > I never was a Kollector, so do not have mis-pressings, oddities etc. The > only "real" legitimate rarity that I had was the mispressed Spacebrock CD > and I traded that with somebody on this list. > > Besides, I like to listen to Quark, Warrior and Hawklords. > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:37 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > Hi Colin, Well I see the cause, but why aren't you selling your complete > collection of raritites. Why just this one. Wouldn't the whole collection > generate more money? Or is this BS? Cheers Stephe > > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Aug 15 10:31:47 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:31:47 -0400 Subject: SOTA - Amazon update Message-ID: hi folks just to let you know that SOTA CD-1 now stands loud and proud back at the top of the Amazon pre order charts, whilst i have no idea as to how many copies this actually equates to it's now some three weeks that orders have been coming in and for most of that time the singles have been vying for the top spot, we must be achieving something here. however CD-2 is currently at a relatively lowly No 4 with the 2 versions of the new Oasis single in between, an OK song in it's own rights but this is getting played to death on the radio, something SOTA is never likely to get, so if there's any of you out there about to order and you know the score by now (one copy Amazon, one copy HMV!) i would "advise" (nothing more) that you order CD-2 from Amazon, not forgetting also that they are advertising the album complete with DVD sorry to keep banging on about this but i sincerely belive we are making in-roads. cheers Dave From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Aug 15 11:30:30 2005 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:30:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Attn Albert B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sigh, I don't think they'll be coming back to Lansing MI anytime soon. Friday's show at the Temple Club was a frustrating experience. (Hint: next time try Mac's Bar. Thor's show outdrew you 20 to 1.) I got there about 9 PM and was told I couldn't go upstairs as the band was doing their soundcheck. They sure were, and they were working on "Astronomy". It's going to take armed guards to keep me away, and that's one more thing the Temple Club lacks, so up I went. The band is still working out the kinks, but I was loving it, mistakes and all. They played right up to the point where the "Hey"s come in and stopped, so I yelled out "Hey". The guitarist's head swivled around to look at me. Then they worked out the ending, which got me up and applauding, to the band's amusement. Meanwhile, the Temple Club had no idea what was going on with the PA. The monitor mix was coming out the mains, and the main mix was coming out nowhere. Things would not get much better as the night wore on. Finally they were able to get something coming out the main speakers, and the first band went on. And instantly started complaining about the monitors. Then the lead player's amp blew, and there was a delay while they borrowed an amp from the third band on the bill. Finally they staggered to a close. Given their comments from the stage, it will be interesting to see if they ever play the Temple Club again. The Brain Surgeons were up next, and I claimed the spot right in front of Deb. Not that there was much competition - one guy stood to my left. The band played with fire, and I was really enjoying myself. Standing so close to the stage, the PA was aimed behind me, so I have no idea how the vocals were, but the instruments were hot, and I was close enough to hear Deb direct. Then I looked behind me to see how the crowd was reacting. And there was no crowd. The main floor was empty. Maybe five people were hiding around the fringes. I felt sorry for the band, to have come so far for this had to be disappointing. To their credit, they didn't let the music suffer, but they did cut the set list short. And dammit, they left out "Astronomy". It had been planned - I could see it on the set list. I jumped on stage when they finished their set and demanded "Astronomy". Al shot me a worried look, as if he feared a physical assault, and said they'd do another song "But not 'Astronomy'." So I had to settle for "Dominance and Submission." To the band's credit, they were all gracious enough to sign the set list I stole from the stage, although I do suspect Deb's "Thanks for helping us rock Lansing" was sarcastic. (-8 Al apologized for omitting "Astronomy", saying it was not yet ready for human consumption. By all means go see them if they come near you. But you might not want to mention "Temple Club" within their hearing. (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Mon Aug 15 15:40:48 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:40:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Well, Thought I'd give it a try. My collection will probably never be complete. :-) Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > It probably would; however, most of my "rarities" cannot be sold. The > only > true rarities that I have are the live multitrack and desk recordings that > I > made while working with the band. As the IP on these recordings belongs > to > the band and they have not been made available to the public, they are not > mine to sell. > > I never was a Kollector, so do not have mis-pressings, oddities etc. The > only "real" legitimate rarity that I had was the mispressed Spacebrock CD > and I traded that with somebody on this list. > > Besides, I like to listen to Quark, Warrior and Hawklords. > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:37 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > >> Hi Colin, Well I see the cause, but why aren't you selling your complete > collection of raritites. Why just this one. Wouldn't the whole collection > generate more money? Or is this BS? Cheers Stephe >> From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Aug 15 15:40:32 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:40:32 -0400 Subject: Richard Allinson - Radio 2 - Weekday afternoons Message-ID: People might be interested to know that Richard Allinson is standing in for the frankly insipid and talentless "Steve Wright in the afternoon" and seems far more clued up on decent music, take this afternoon for example, not only was his featured album, Led Zeppelin 4 but he managed to play three tracks none of which was "Stairway To Heaven", he also has another feature called "The Long Track" which speaks for itself, basic criteria - A long song that's rarely heard on Radio, today was Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" (Live 8 didn't do them any harm!) but anyway it got me thinking - Spirit Of The Age is both long at over 6 minutes and rarely played on radio - so should we not request it? mention something along the lines of "how about Hawkwind's SOTA, they've got a new version coming out featuring Radio 2's Matthew Wright, fans trying to get it in the charts etc etc!!" the show (Steve wright's) can be contacted from this link http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/wright/contact.shtml but according to Mr Allinson his e-mail is - richard at bbc.co.uk I'd suggest cut and pasting a copy to both addresses just to make sure we get them read also remember that Radio 2 can be contacted by text at - 88291 although I'd only recommend this form of communication whilst the show is on air, which incidentally is between 14.00 - 17.00 UK time what harm is this going to do and it'll take next to no time and remember overseas members can also get involved as you can listen online. anyway as I've previously mentioned it'd be really helpful if you could let me know that you've sent off an e-mail so feel free to let me know via this list or alternatively at - davelaw at blueyonder.co.uk thanks again for your time and support (and apologies to those who've already read this post at other such lists!) regards Dave From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 15 14:31:28 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:31:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: daft question - next............... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Hi Colin, Well I see the cause, but why aren't you selling your complete collection of raritites. Why just this one. Wouldn't the whole collection generate more money? Or is this BS? Cheers Stephe From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Mon Aug 15 18:26:28 2005 From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:26:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Radio Show on VoicePrint Website Message-ID: Get it here but you will need RealPlayer :-( http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/webradio/vprhawkwind.ram Mark From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 15 20:34:56 2005 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:34:56 EDT Subject: HW:Any American Promo Single Sightings Yet Message-ID: Hi everybody. I was curious if any American passport holders have received the promo CD package yet. I'm waiting each day for the postman, but so far I'm still waiting. I fully expected the'd take a bit longer to cross the pond, but the suspense is killing me. Anybody here in the U.S. get one yet. Thanks, yours, Eli From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 16 04:41:49 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:41:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen from their mission control posting- And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will end. Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? Pete From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Tue Aug 16 13:22:04 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what hes doing? From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 14:02:15 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:02:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: I assume that your word is the final arbiter of what one should do;). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > hes doing? > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 16 15:19:30 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:19:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Mick Davis's message of Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: Mick Davis writes: > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > hes doing? Yeah. I think it's Fairy Nuff. One single won't kill Hawkwind and the charity is a reasonable one. If we're gonna tackle bootleggers on Ebay, I suspect we could reset Target Acquisition Radar to get juicier kills than this one. FoFP From groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM Tue Aug 16 15:39:05 2005 From: groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM (David Blair) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:39:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mick Davis writes >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what >hes doing? Absolutely. I consider selling what is after all his own property for charity to be admirable (I consider the bands/managements reaction to it something else entirely), and I quite agree with him telling you to mind your own business. -- David Blair From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 15:51:01 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:51:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Like maybe whoever is doing the RockFever CDs (although I have a suspicion as to who that may be). In answer to Mick's comment, ?25 just about covers one day's costs, so that is not insignificant. As to the claim that ?25 "isnt gonna do much for any bloody charity!", I would quote the following from the CAFOD site: ?10 could buy 200 fish to stock a village pond in a rural Colombia, supplementing people's dietary needs. ?17 could buy an emergency kit containing items such as a blanket, pans, cups, plates and tools like hoes, to help a family get back on their feet following a disaster ?25 could enable a Palestinian child from a refugee camp in Lebanon to attend a pre-school centre for one month As I have commented before, being sure of facts before commenting is sometimes useful;). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Mick Davis writes: > > > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > > hes doing? > > Yeah. I think it's Fairy Nuff. One single won't kill Hawkwind and the > charity is a reasonable one. If we're gonna tackle bootleggers on Ebay, > I suspect we could reset Target Acquisition Radar to get juicier kills > than this one. > > FoFP > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 16 16:20:36 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:20:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <7MdVONAZDkADFwRl@whirligig.plus.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 20:39 +0100, David Blair wrote: > In article , Mick > Davis writes > >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > >hes doing? > > Absolutely. I consider selling what is after all his own property for > charity to be admirable (I consider the bands/managements reaction to it > something else entirely), and I quite agree with him telling you to mind > your own business. I agree with everything you say except perhaps one small point: that it's his own property. In my experience, promo copies remain the property of the record company---in effect, they are on "indefinite loan" and explicitly must not be sold. (E.g., I have a promo copy of Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ I bought from a local record shop's used bins that has printed both on the CD and booklet, "For promotional use only. Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of recording company." Another promo CD I have is marked simply, "For promotional use only. Not for sale.") This reminds me of a recollection on another music list I'm on. At one time, Phil Walden, Jr., of Capricorn Records, was a subscriber and occasional poster. When a flap happened about some people selling promo and pre-release copies on eBay, he mentioned an occasional lunchtime diversion in which he sometimes indulged. He said he would bid high on Capricorn Records promos on eBay and then, when the auction ended, wait to see if anyone would dare claim payment when he revealed who he was (and that he in fact owned the item they were selling). IIRC, nobody ever did. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 16:43:46 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:43:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 20:39 +0100, David Blair wrote: > > In article , Mick > > Davis writes > > >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > > >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > > >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > > >hes doing? > > > > Absolutely. I consider selling what is after all his own property for > > charity to be admirable (I consider the bands/managements reaction to it > > something else entirely), and I quite agree with him telling you to mind > > your own business. > > I agree with everything you say except perhaps one small point: that > it's his own property. In my experience, promo copies remain the > property of the record company---in effect, they are on "indefinite > loan" and explicitly must not be sold. (E.g., I have a promo copy of > Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ I bought from a local record shop's used bins > that has printed both on the CD and booklet, "For promotional use only. > Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of > recording company." Another promo CD I have is marked simply, "For > promotional use only. Not for sale.") > > This reminds me of a recollection on another music list I'm on. At one > time, Phil Walden, Jr., of Capricorn Records, was a subscriber and > occasional poster. When a flap happened about some people selling promo > and pre-release copies on eBay, he mentioned an occasional lunchtime > diversion in which he sometimes indulged. He said he would bid high on > Capricorn Records promos on eBay and then, when the auction ended, wait > to see if anyone would dare claim payment when he revealed who he was > (and that he in fact owned the item they were selling). IIRC, nobody > ever did. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Tue Aug 16 17:30:30 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:30:30 +0100 Subject: Umm, Hi. Message-ID: Hi, I used to be subscribed to this list a few years ago (with a different email address) and seem to remember threads about, oh, I dunno, music, gigs, and stuff like that but having just resubscribed I feel like I've walked in on a wake with people bickering over the will. Should I stay tuned in the hope of some some threads other than quasi-legal discussion of flEabay or should I just move on out of here? Or maybe someone would be so good as to help me decide: Off the Tracks (local, could prob cycle home after HW) or Sonic Rock (much more time & expense involved, better line-up) given that only one is likely for me? Thanks, Andrew From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 16 17:54:16 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:54:16 -0400 Subject: Umm, Hi. Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Stay awhile. There hasn't been any stupid threads like this in a long time. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fergus Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Umm, Hi. > Hi, > > > > I used to be subscribed to this list a few years ago (with a different > email > address) and seem to remember threads about, oh, I dunno, music, gigs, and > stuff like that but having just resubscribed I feel like I've walked in on > a > wake with people bickering over the will. Should I stay tuned in the hope > of > some some threads other than quasi-legal discussion of flEabay or should I > just move on out of here? > > > > Or maybe someone would be so good as to help me decide: Off the Tracks > (local, could prob cycle home after HW) or Sonic Rock (much more time & > expense involved, better line-up) given that only one is likely for me? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 16 17:45:59 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:45:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <004201c5a2a3$337f31f0$0cce4354@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 21:43 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, > radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to > people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If > someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. Oh, I agree. I think I was misled into thinking this was a promo single by the cunning employment of the phrase "promo single" in the subject line of the thread. :-) I also agree with your observation that ?25 can stretch a long way with a charity donation. Every bit helps. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 18:17:24 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:17:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Yes, actually. As I said, it's a free country, what he's doing isn't illegal, the item is now HIS property - noone else's - the group have made their feelings known and he knows that, and if you're telling me that Brock and Co are gonna quibble about the cause, then I wouldn't believe you. ?25 or whatever may not be much to you but to someone in the third world, it's a tidy sum. My only criticism is his timing - ethically and sensibly, now was not perhaps the right time to do this, but that's being picky - daft part is he could probably have got more by having it physically on sale at the Sonic Rock thingummyjig. You could say that by putting "not for sale" on the thing that Brock and Co are setting their restrictions but that's shuttingthe stable door after the horse has bolted - it's like me buying a new sofa only to discover a warning sign on it saying I mustn't sit on it ona hot day - I need to know the conditions of ownwership BEFORE I get the thing - and this case is no different. You could say that the Hawk crew couldn;t possibly have done this - which is fair to say, so that takes us back to morals - and the cause for why it is being sold. Sometimes you can't do right for doing wrong!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick Davis To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > hes doing? From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 18:23:36 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:23:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Sorry to sort of disagree, but Children In Need features countrywide auctions of things that were originally free - celebrities nic-nax - and noone criticises that!! I think the Hawkcamp have every right to moan simply coz of the timing - if this had happened in six months time, I guarantee, not one person here would have batted an eyelid!! Which of course goes back to the previous argument -but...... ENUFFFF!!!!!! You must be bored silly by now and this is definitely my last word on the subject. Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! Toodles, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete J Howe To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen > from their mission control posting- > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will > end. > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? > Pete From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 18:29:42 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:29:42 +0100 Subject: Umm, Hi. Message-ID: (sound of embarassed shuffling of feet and looking down at shoes) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Fergus Wilson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Umm, Hi. > Hi, > > > > I used to be subscribed to this list a few years ago (with a different email > address) and seem to remember threads about, oh, I dunno, music, gigs, and > stuff like that but having just resubscribed I feel like I've walked in on a > wake with people bickering over the will. Should I stay tuned in the hope of > some some threads other than quasi-legal discussion of flEabay or should I > just move on out of here? > > > > Or maybe someone would be so good as to help me decide: Off the Tracks > (local, could prob cycle home after HW) or Sonic Rock (much more time & > expense involved, better line-up) given that only one is likely for me? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:27:59 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:27:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Of course, the clearly marked text on the cover, FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY - NOT FOR SALE is irrelevant. On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:43:46 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: >That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, >radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to >people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If >someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. > >Colin > From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 18:34:16 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Sorry - but this made me laff out loud!! Thanks Mike!!! "Juicier kills" - fantastic!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Mick Davis writes: > > > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > > hes doing? > > Yeah. I think it's Fairy Nuff. One single won't kill Hawkwind and the > charity is a reasonable one. If we're gonna tackle bootleggers on Ebay, > I suspect we could reset Target Acquisition Radar to get juicier kills > than this one. > > FoFP From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:32:15 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:32:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Careful Mick You are treading on dangerous ground here... to quote from a recent mesasage (to a poor unsuspecting poster that had the audacity to question the saintly Mr Allen): >I have instructed my solicitor to prepare an outline case for >defamation (libel) against you. I have also contacted Yahoo who have >stated that they will supply your personal details if contacted by my >solicitor. However, I will instruct my solicitor to cease this >activity ..... blah blah blah..... On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0400, Mick Davis wrote: >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what >hes doing? From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 18:37:33 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:37:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: I never knew we were such a bunch of stand-up comedians here - glad to see this thread is lightening up a little. Now I have a story I could tell you about a 40th birthday, 40 gifts and a bagful of sand at Edinburgh airport.............is that a cry of "get off the stage" I hear....... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 21:43 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > > That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, > > radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to > > people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If > > someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. > > Oh, I agree. I think I was misled into thinking this was a promo single > by the cunning employment of the phrase "promo single" in the subject > line of the thread. :-) > > I also agree with your observation that ?25 can stretch a long way with > a charity donation. Every bit helps. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:36:46 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:36:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: In terms of a second-hand item; yes. Once you give someone something as a gift, you cannot control what they do with it. Of course, if this was not a gift to passport holders etc, what was it? IMHO, selling something that someone does not really want in aid of a good cause is a pretty reasonable thing to do. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Of course, the clearly marked text on the cover, > FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY - NOT FOR SALE > is irrelevant. > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:43:46 +0100, Colin Allen > wrote: > > >That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, > >radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to > >people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If > >someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. > > > >Colin > > > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:40:27 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:40:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Ah, how did I supect that you would manage to throw that one in;). "poor unsuspecting poster":)). Sure;). Keep on digging the hole:)). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Careful Mick > > You are treading on dangerous ground here... > > to quote from a recent mesasage (to a poor unsuspecting poster > that had the audacity to question the saintly Mr Allen): > > >I have instructed my solicitor to prepare an outline case for > >defamation (libel) against you. I have also contacted Yahoo who have > >stated that they will supply your personal details if contacted by my > >solicitor. However, I will instruct my solicitor to cease this > >activity ..... > > blah blah blah..... > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0400, Mick Davis wrote: > > >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > >hes doing? > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:41:42 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:41:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: If you cannot argue your case, use an ad-hominem:)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkwind" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Careful Mick > > You are treading on dangerous ground here... > > to quote from a recent mesasage (to a poor unsuspecting poster > that had the audacity to question the saintly Mr Allen): > > >I have instructed my solicitor to prepare an outline case for > >defamation (libel) against you. I have also contacted Yahoo who have > >stated that they will supply your personal details if contacted by my > >solicitor. However, I will instruct my solicitor to cease this > >activity ..... > > blah blah blah..... > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0400, Mick Davis wrote: > > >ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > >charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > >bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > >hes doing? > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 16 18:50:36 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:50:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its almost out of spite. > IMHO, selling something that someone does not really want in aid of a good > cause is a pretty reasonable thing to do. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:46:19 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:46:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Why would I not want it? Because I am not a Kollector; I like listening to music, not to "radio interviews". I was not aware that not wanting something was not allowed;). There are many other ways to raise the money; this is just one way of raising a small part of it. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done > something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel > the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its > almost out of spite. > > > IMHO, selling something that someone does not really want in aid of a good > > cause is a pretty reasonable thing to do. > From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:47:57 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (HW) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:47:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Spite? Colin? Surely we must be talking about someone else? On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:50:36 -0400, Stephe wrote: >Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't >seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they >don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done >something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel >the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its >almost out of spite. > >> IMHO, selling something that someone does not really want in aid of a good >> cause is a pretty reasonable thing to do. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:47:52 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:47:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: yes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > I never knew we were such a bunch of stand-up comedians here - glad to see > this thread is lightening up a little. Now I have a story I could tell you > about a 40th birthday, 40 gifts and a bagful of sand at Edinburgh > airport.............is that a cry of "get off the stage" I hear....... > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mather > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 21:43 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: > > > That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, > > > radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge > to > > > people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). > If > > > someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. > > > > Oh, I agree. I think I was misled into thinking this was a promo single > > by the cunning employment of the phrase "promo single" in the subject > > line of the thread. :-) > > > > I also agree with your observation that ?25 can stretch a long way with > > a charity donation. Every bit helps. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:51:09 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:51:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: No spite here; just a degree of contempt for someone who cannot let lie an old argument that has pissed people off on this list and the yahoo list. As pissing people off is not what life should be about, I am not going to play your game and respond any more. Keep up the ad-hominems if you want to;). Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "HW" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Spite? Colin? Surely we must be talking about someone else? > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:50:36 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > >Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > >seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > >don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done > >something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel > >the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its > >almost out of spite. > > > >> IMHO, selling something that someone does not really want in aid of a > good > >> cause is a pretty reasonable thing to do. > From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Aug 16 18:57:01 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (HW) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:57:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Bye then. On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:51:09 +0100, Colin Allen wrote: >No spite here; just a degree of contempt for someone who cannot let lie an >old argument that has pissed people off on this list and the yahoo list. As >pissing people off is not what life should be about, I am not going to play >your game and respond any more. Keep up the ad-hominems if you want to;). > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 18:58:05 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:58:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Bye Rik:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "HW" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Bye then. > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:51:09 +0100, Colin Allen > wrote: > > >No spite here; just a degree of contempt for someone who cannot let lie an > >old argument that has pissed people off on this list and the yahoo list. > As > >pissing people off is not what life should be about, I am not going to play > >your game and respond any more. Keep up the ad-hominems if you want to;). > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 16 19:49:25 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:49:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <001901c5a2b4$eacaa810$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 18:50 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done > something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel > the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its > almost out of spite. Just out of interest, will anyone who has this post a track listing and perhaps comment on it, for those of us who don't have the disc? Is it any good? Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Aug 16 20:03:27 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:03:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Not necessarily...but is it really YOUR business?? tim 8>)... Mick Davis wrote: > > ive emailed the man a couple of times asking him to either state its for > charity or take it off the list as 25 quid isnt gonna do much for any > bloody charity! i was told to mind my own business- any one agree with what > hes doing? From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Aug 16 20:05:29 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:05:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: And yet you bought it anyway...as have I in like circumstances... tim 8>)... In my experience, promo copies remain the > property of the record company---in effect, they are on "indefinite > loan" and explicitly must not be sold. (E.g., I have a promo copy of > Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ I bought from a local record shop's used bins > that has printed both on the CD and booklet, "For promotional use only. > Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of > recording company." Another promo CD I have is marked simply, "For > promotional use only. Not for sale.") > > This reminds me of a recollection on another music list I'm on. At one > time, Phil Walden, Jr., of Capricorn Records, was a subscriber and > occasional poster. When a flap happened about some people selling promo > and pre-release copies on eBay, he mentioned an occasional lunchtime > diversion in which he sometimes indulged. He said he would bid high on > Capricorn Records promos on eBay and then, when the auction ended, wait > to see if anyone would dare claim payment when he revealed who he was > (and that he in fact owned the item they were selling). IIRC, nobody > ever did. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Aug 16 20:09:41 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:09:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: And let me tell you Andy G, i'm already looking forward to it, really enjoyed the hell out of Psytrax 1!! Keep up the good work tim 8>)... > Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! > Toodles, > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pete J Howe > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have > > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling > > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd > > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by > > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of > > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making > > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a > > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", > > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the > > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they > > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a > > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen > > from their mission control posting- > > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso > > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it > > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and > > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the > > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will > > end. > > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? > > Pete From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Aug 16 20:47:06 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:47:06 -0700 Subject: Richard Allinson - Radio 2 - Weekday afternoons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What's so adventurous about playing anything off "Zeppelin 4?" How about "Achille's Last Stand" off "Presence?" That would be against the grain. --- Dave Law wrote: > People might be interested to know that Richard > Allinson is standing in for > the frankly insipid and talentless "Steve Wright in > the afternoon" and seems > far more clued up on decent music, take this > afternoon for example, not only > was his featured album, Led Zeppelin 4 but he > managed to play three tracks > none of which was "Stairway To Heaven", he also has > another feature called > "The Long Track" which speaks for itself, basic > criteria - A long song > that's rarely heard on Radio, today was Pink Floyd's > "Comfortably Numb" > (Live 8 didn't do them any harm!) > > but anyway it got me thinking - Spirit Of The Age is > both long at over 6 > minutes and rarely played on radio - so should we > not request it? > > mention something along the lines of "how about > Hawkwind's SOTA, they've got > a new version coming out featuring Radio 2's Matthew > Wright, fans trying to > get it in the charts etc etc!!" > > the show (Steve wright's) can be contacted from this > link > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/wright/contact.shtml > > but according to Mr Allinson his e-mail is - > > richard at bbc.co.uk > > I'd suggest cut and pasting a copy to both addresses > just to make sure we > get them read > > also remember that Radio 2 can be contacted by text > at - 88291 > > although I'd only recommend this form of > communication whilst the show is on > air, which incidentally is between 14.00 - 17.00 UK > time > > what harm is this going to do and it'll take next to > no time and remember > overseas members can also get involved as you can > listen online. > > anyway as I've previously mentioned it'd be really > helpful if you could let > me know that you've sent off an e-mail so feel free > to let me know via this > list or alternatively at - davelaw at blueyonder.co.uk > > thanks again for your time and support (and > apologies to those who've > already read this post at other such lists!) > > regards > > Dave > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Tue Aug 16 20:53:00 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Allinson - Radio 2 - Weekday afternoons In-Reply-To: <20050817004706.85369.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Quoting gary shindler : > What's so adventurous about playing anything off > "Zeppelin 4?" How about "Achille's Last Stand" off > "Presence?" That would be against the grain. Actually, I used to hear that fairly often on rock radio stations. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Aug 16 20:52:44 2005 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:52:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy (not on ebay) Message-ID: I am surprised no-one has mentioned the new walkers crisp advert with Lemmy in. Being a marvellous biker with 2 sidekicks, he gets to sit on a bike, but not ride it, as Gary Linekar steals his packet. And some MH playing in the background. I commend it to conference. Mike w resource05 - the showcase for low carbon and energy efficient technology 13 - 15 September 2005 at BRE www.resource05.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. BRE Trust, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales, and registered as a charity (No 1092193). Building Research Establishment Ltd, Registered under number 3319324 in England and Wales. BRE Certification Limited, Registered under number 3548352 in England and Wales. Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 16 21:00:02 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:00:02 EDT Subject: HW: Lemmy (not on ebay) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:56:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, wrightm at BRE.CO.UK writes: I am surprised no-one has mentioned the new walkers crisp advert with Lemmy in. Being a marvellous biker with 2 sidekicks, he gets to sit on a bike, but not ride it, as Gary Linekar steals his packet. And some MH playing in the background. I commend it to conference. Tho', Lemmy did mention once that he was thinking of having his warts surgically removed and then selling them on eBay. If this happened, I shudder at the thought of what would happen if they fell into The Wrong Hands and Lemmy-Clones started popping up everywhere. Joe From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 21:14:32 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:14:32 +0100 Subject: Richard Allinson - Radio 2 - Weekday afternoons Message-ID: Radio 2 are actually as bad as radio one - if they play Pink Floyd it's always the "Brick" single or "Money", if they play the Kinks it's always one of two tracks , if they play Fleetwood Mac, it's always one of two tracks, etc etc - always the "singles" or the "hits" - and all the fault of a BBC playlist policy that manages to kill off new talent breaking through faster than anything else around in the media today, unless you happen to be a night owl in which case they believe that the daytime audiences are simply not up to the inteelctual capacity to take in anything new. Sad, really. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary shindler To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Richard Allinson - Radio 2 - Weekday afternoons > What's so adventurous about playing anything off > "Zeppelin 4?" How about "Achille's Last Stand" off > "Presence?" That would be against the grain. > > --- Dave Law wrote: > > > People might be interested to know that Richard > > Allinson is standing in for > > the frankly insipid and talentless "Steve Wright in > > the afternoon" and seems > > far more clued up on decent music, take this > > afternoon for example, not only > > was his featured album, Led Zeppelin 4 but he > > managed to play three tracks > > none of which was "Stairway To Heaven", he also has > > another feature called > > "The Long Track" which speaks for itself, basic > > criteria - A long song > > that's rarely heard on Radio, today was Pink Floyd's > > "Comfortably Numb" > > (Live 8 didn't do them any harm!) > > > > but anyway it got me thinking - Spirit Of The Age is > > both long at over 6 > > minutes and rarely played on radio - so should we > > not request it? > > > > mention something along the lines of "how about > > Hawkwind's SOTA, they've got > > a new version coming out featuring Radio 2's Matthew > > Wright, fans trying to > > get it in the charts etc etc!!" > > > > the show (Steve wright's) can be contacted from this > > link > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/wright/contact.shtml > > > > but according to Mr Allinson his e-mail is - > > > > richard at bbc.co.uk > > > > I'd suggest cut and pasting a copy to both addresses > > just to make sure we > > get them read > > > > also remember that Radio 2 can be contacted by text > > at - 88291 > > > > although I'd only recommend this form of > > communication whilst the show is on > > air, which incidentally is between 14.00 - 17.00 UK > > time > > > > what harm is this going to do and it'll take next to > > no time and remember > > overseas members can also get involved as you can > > listen online. > > > > anyway as I've previously mentioned it'd be really > > helpful if you could let > > me know that you've sent off an e-mail so feel free > > to let me know via this > > list or alternatively at - davelaw at blueyonder.co.uk > > > > thanks again for your time and support (and > > apologies to those who've > > already read this post at other such lists!) > > > > regards > > > > Dave > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 16 21:18:23 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 20:05 -0400, Tim wrote: > And yet you bought it anyway...as have I in like circumstances... > tim 8>)... The funny thing about the Sundial _Acid Yantra_ album is that I only ever saw promo copies for sale locally, never the regular version. Go figure... :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 21:21:30 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:21:30 +0100 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! Message-ID: Thank you - to try and start something that isn't radio 2 or piggin promo CD's - let me tell you that Psytax 2 will boast an exclusive track from Space Mirrors, an exclusive and explosive remix of a track that starts the CD by Nifty Eagu and The Glo-Pilots (don't know them yet? you will!!!) and POSSIBLY an exclusive track from Krel among other album and non-album delights. As to the voiceovers, well, just look out for myself and Electra - this will be good!!! Anyone else want to donate anything exclusive? We have room!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > And let me tell you Andy G, i'm already looking forward to it, really enjoyed the hell > out of Psytrax 1!! Keep up the good work > tim 8>)... > > Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! > > Toodles, > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pete J Howe > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > > > > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have > > > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling > > > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd > > > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by > > > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of > > > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making > > > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a > > > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", > > > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the > > > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they > > > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a > > > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen > > > from their mission control posting- > > > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso > > > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it > > > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and > > > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the > > > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will > > > end. > > > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? > > > Pete From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Tue Aug 16 21:22:20 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:22:20 +0100 Subject: Lemmy (not on ebay) Message-ID: THAT is one killer advert - what a sense of humour that guy's got - superb!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wright, Mike To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:52 AM Subject: HW: Lemmy (not on ebay) I am surprised no-one has mentioned the new walkers crisp advert with Lemmy in. Being a marvellous biker with 2 sidekicks, he gets to sit on a bike, but not ride it, as Gary Linekar steals his packet. And some MH playing in the background. I commend it to conference. Mike w resource05 - the showcase for low carbon and energy efficient technology 13 - 15 September 2005 at BRE www.resource05.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. BRE Trust, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales, and registered as a charity (No 1092193). Building Research Establishment Ltd, Registered under number 3319324 in England and Wales. BRE Certification Limited, Registered under number 3548352 in England and Wales. Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 16 21:39:38 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:39:38 -0400 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! Message-ID: Blah, blah, blah. I have something to donate, but its not apropriate to announce. Argh!! Why not help the Homeless and hungry in our homelands? I don't get the need to help Asia and Africa, when I see the folks in my own area starving and need of shelter. Most of that money doesn't even reach the needy. I guess in the USA we don't have this because of the cowboys in charge. Oh well. Lets help the guys on the other end of the world while the locals fall apart. Ha! Ha! Ha!. Its the spirit of the age!! Just like the Feed the children money gettting sucked in to feed children that were already dead. Now anyways, back to what music. Space mirrors? Without Michael Blackman they suck. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! > Thank you - to try and start something that isn't radio 2 or piggin promo > CD's - let me tell you that Psytax 2 will boast an exclusive track from > Space Mirrors, an exclusive and explosive remix of a track that starts the > CD by Nifty Eagu and The Glo-Pilots (don't know them yet? you will!!!) and > POSSIBLY an exclusive track from Krel among other album and non-album > delights. As to the voiceovers, well, just look out for myself and > Electra - > this will be good!!! Anyone else want to donate anything exclusive? We > have > room!! > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > >> And let me tell you Andy G, i'm already looking forward to it, really > enjoyed the hell >> out of Psytrax 1!! Keep up the good work >> tim 8>)... >> > Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! >> > Toodles, >> > Andy G. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Pete J Howe >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM >> > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) >> > >> > >> > > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we > have >> > > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was > selling >> > > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy > expedition..Who'd >> > > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good >> faith, > by >> > > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of >> > > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of > making >> > > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely >> a >> > > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some > charity", >> > > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, >> the >> > > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating > they >> > > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must > leave a >> > > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is > seen >> > > from their mission control posting- >> > > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and >> ohso >> > > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing > that it >> > > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe >> if > and >> > > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all > the >> > > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available >> cds > will >> > > end. >> > > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? >> > > Pete From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Aug 16 22:21:10 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:21:10 -0400 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a2cc$87b5bdb0$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 21:39 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Blah, blah, blah. I have something to donate, but its not apropriate to > announce. Argh!! Why not help the Homeless and hungry in our homelands? I > don't get the need to help Asia and Africa, when I see the folks in my own > area starving and need of shelter. Most of that money doesn't even reach the > needy. In this case, isn't Colin raising money for a specific individual to spend time on sabbatical helping out in Sri Lanka? It would seem in this instance he knows exactly where his donation is going. As for the "why don't you help charities closer to home," question, I'd say each person was entitled to decide which charity he or she deemed most worthy of donation of his or her time or money. Some causes are closer to the heart than others, and hence subjectively more important. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Aug 17 01:25:08 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 00:25:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights Reach New Heights In-Reply-To: <018b01c5a2ca$1e8a49c0$ce3d8351@andy> Message-ID: Oddly: Having just flown the Atlantic with American Airlines (UK Back to USA) I was looking at their entertainment guide in the vague hope of being able to watch anything decent on the trip. On their radio playlist for 'up and coming' music along with the usual chaffe, was an Anubian Lights track!! Rich W From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 17 01:58:03 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:58:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <000f01c5a17a$1258f8f0$8aa7fea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 13:16 +0400, Alisa wrote: > Really, what would we call a rarity in this case? > I don't want to count unavailable albums as rarities just because the band > don't want to re-release them. > I have most of the HW and Related cds but I don't buy another copy of > strange compilations or Yuri Gagarin and I don't have any misspressings, > etc. - am I a Kollektor?.. :) If you buy Hawkwind vinyl and you don't have a turntable, that's a good sign that you're a Kollector... ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 17 02:50:34 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:50:34 +0100 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! In-Reply-To: <018501c5a2ca$003209e0$ce3d8351@andy> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > On Behalf Of Cyberkrel > CD's - let me tell you that Psytax 2 will boast an exclusive track from 'Psytax'? Is this payable only on the sales of promotional material and other Assorted Ephemera? ;-) From groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM Wed Aug 17 03:14:20 2005 From: groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:14:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Hawkwind writes >Careful Mick > >You are treading on dangerous ground here... > >to quote from a recent mesasage (to a poor unsuspecting poster >that had the audacity to question the saintly Mr Allen): I don't think that sort of post does you any favours - it seemed to me to be petty, childish and vindictive. -- David Blair From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 17 03:46:25 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:46:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Indeed; Andy is doing a great job with this series of releases. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > And let me tell you Andy G, i'm already looking forward to it, really enjoyed the hell > out of Psytrax 1!! Keep up the good work > tim 8>)... > > Besides, I have a very special Psytrax issue 2 to prepare!!! > > Toodles, > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pete J Howe > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > > > > Im sure this debate has raged on far too long..but i still think we have > > > to question the ethics behind all this.I could easily say I was selling > > > my FREE copy to raise money for some charity or worthy expedition..Who'd > > > know?The bottom line is- these were freebies given out in good faith, by > > > Hawkwind management ,maybe rather naively,but that IS the spirit of > > > Hawkwind...only for some individuals to use the old human trait of making > > > something for nothing, whether it be for charity or whatever.Surely a > > > letter to hawkwind management and proof that it was for "some charity", > > > may have resulted in say 50 free copies to sell,...and even then, the > > > seller make clear on Ebay that is for charity,with proof,and stating they > > > were free from Hawkwind mission control??Frankly, i think it must leave a > > > slightly bitter taste in the mouth of the hawkwind management,as is seen > > > from their mission control posting- > > > And surely a true fan wouldnt sell it,for whatever reason...(and ohso > > > quickly, too!)...nor fall victim to buying it from Ebay, knowing that it > > > is free; its just prayed on the casual Ebay hawkwind fan.And maybe if and > > > when we see the other Hawkwind studio cds eventually rereleased,all the > > > Ebay money making, and scams, on what should be readily available cds will > > > end. > > > Starship "Enterprise", anyone?? > > > Pete > From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Wed Aug 17 03:53:19 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: is that a threat? i too am fed up with this subject- iv made my opinions clear that i dont agree with what mr allens doing and im allowed to do that- i thought this list was all about honest opinions and likes or dislikes ! From groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM Wed Aug 17 04:24:46 2005 From: groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Hawkwind writes >Of course, the clearly marked text on the cover, >FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY - NOT FOR SALE >is irrelevant. Yes. From the MCPS website - "What about promotional copies? Promotional copies are copies of records which are manufactured and distributed to promote the same record." Merely writing 'for promotional use only' etc on the cover doesn't make it a promotional copy - it has to be a copy of the record that's being promoted, and these aren't. >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:43:46 +0100, Colin Allen > wrote: > >>That may well apply to promo CDs that are sent out to record companies, >>radio stations etc. However, these CDs are being "given" free of charge to >>people who are on mailing lists (see message 29823 on the Yahoo list). If >>someone "gives" you something on that basis, it is your property. >> >>Colin More from the MCPS - "General guidance on use of promo copies: Allowable Use: * Supply to TV/ Radio for broadcast or review * Supply to film companies for promotional purpose * Supply to music publishers for promotional purpose * Supply to overseas label for promotional purpose (listed as promotional product on export declaration) * Single copy supplied to retail buyer * Copies supplied to ?trade only? music business events where there is paid admission and a list of delegates is published. * Supplied to independent promotional companies e.g. record pluggers (for the purposes as set out above). Not allowable: * Supply to staff (except where dependent on job function, e.g. sales promotion, marketing ? we recommend that you apply to the Audio Products department for agreement on staff categories). * Supply free to Charities. * Free give-aways to retail outlets or overseas customers under merchandising deals. * Supply as gifts ? corporate or otherwise. * Supply as competition prizes. * Sale of promotional copies." So on 2 counts (They're not the same record and they've been given away) these CDs are not promos. -- David Blair From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Wed Aug 17 05:05:04 2005 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:05:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Paul asked: > Just out of interest, will anyone who has this post a track listing and > perhaps comment on it, for those of us who don't have the disc? Is it > any good? Well, there's just one 27 minute track - an interview with Dave Brock interspersed with extracts from the new album. These are: Spirit of the Age Spirit of the Age (another bit) Greenback Massacre Take Me To Your Leader Sun Ray Angela Android Digital Nation A Letter To Robert Each extract about a minute long, I guess. Is it good? The interview is a fairly typical Dave Brock interview - much of it chatting about the album and the tracks being previewed. The clips are largely different extracts to the ones made available on Mission Control a while back. And, imho, I think the album sounds very, very promising & could well be the best for a very long time. I can't see many people playing this promo cd very often - certainly once the album is out - but it's a great taster to keep those of us fortunate to have a copy going over the next 3 or 4 weeks until the real thing arrives. At the very end, we're told that the full interview will be available on the Voiceprint website, but this isn't yet there (as of yesterday, anyway), although another Hawkwind feature - including an interview with Simon House - is. Hope this helps. Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 06:42:14 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:42:14 +0100 Subject: Umm, Hi. In-Reply-To: Andrew Fergus Wilson's message of Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:30:30 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Fergus Wilson writes: > I used to be subscribed to this list a few years ago (with a different email > address) and seem to remember threads about, oh, I dunno, music, gigs, and > stuff like that but having just resubscribed I feel like I've walked in on a > wake with people bickering over the will. Should I stay tuned in the hope of > some some threads other than quasi-legal discussion of flEabay or should I > just move on out of here? It's a shame it wasn't a promo of The Iron Dream, because then I could mention Hitler and kill the discussion. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 06:46:26 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:46:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Cyberkrel's message of Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:37:33 +0100 Message-ID: Cyberkrel writes: > I never knew we were such a bunch of stand-up comedians here - glad to see > this thread is lightening up a little. Now I have a story I could tell you > about a 40th birthday, 40 gifts and a bagful of sand at Edinburgh > airport.............is that a cry of "get off the stage" I hear....... Well I'd like to hear it... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 06:50:08 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:50:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:41:42 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > If you cannot argue your case, use an ad-hominem:)) This'll be good. I don't think we've ever bickered in Latin before... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 07:01:21 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:01:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Stephe's message of Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: Stephe writes: > Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done > something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel > the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its > almost out of spite. As something of a Master-Baiter, I'd concur that the Ebay auction was almost certainly someone dropping a little fishy to see if they could get a bite. They succeeded and the hook was that it was for charity. I think we should all admire a clever stunt and move on. Hawkwind might as well admit that they've been suckered and outmanouvered by the charity gambit. They can't do anything now that will make them look other than mean. I'm not sure that the author of the clever stunt won't anyway look rather sly by this use of the charity in taking a prod at their ex-colleagues. As for the rest of us, getting in the middle is a bit like deciding to ramp up a spat between one's parents. I like a good argument as much as the next guy but I can't see any percentage in hyping this one. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 17 07:05:55 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:05:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <200508171050.j7HAo8un018841@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, M Holmes wrote: > Colin Allen writes: > > > If you cannot argue your case, use an ad-hominem:)) > > This'll be good. I don't think we've ever bickered in Latin before... Iam agite, si satis duri vos credetis... Yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Spine of God_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 07:10:48 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:10:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Dave Bottomley's message of Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:05:04 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Bottomley writes: > Is it good? The interview is a fairly typical Dave Brock interview - much of > it chatting about the album and the tracks being previewed. The clips are > largely different extracts to the ones made available on Mission Control a > while back. And, imho, I think the album sounds very, very promising & could > well be the best for a very long time. I can't see many people playing this > promo cd very often - certainly once the album is out - but it's a great > taster to keep those of us fortunate to have a copy going over the next 3 or > 4 weeks until the real thing arrives. So are us Passport holders supposed to have copies in our hands at this moment? FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Aug 17 07:16:39 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:16:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: <200508171110.j7HBAmIx024218@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, if you haven't got it yet dude, it should be with you shortly. I got mine tuesday am from the lovely postie... Cheers to the band for the nice touch of sending me a CD. Appreciated greatly.... NOW CAN WE FRICKING STOP THIS ARGUING BOLLOCKS iain M Holmes wrote on 8/17/2005, 12:10 PM: > Dave Bottomley writes: > > > Is it good? The interview is a fairly typical Dave Brock interview - > much of > > it chatting about the album and the tracks being previewed. The > clips are > > largely different extracts to the ones made available on Mission > Control a > > while back. And, imho, I think the album sounds very, very promising > & could > > well be the best for a very long time. I can't see many people > playing this > > promo cd very often - certainly once the album is out - but it's a > great > > taster to keep those of us fortunate to have a copy going over the > next 3 or > > 4 weeks until the real thing arrives. > > So are us Passport holders supposed to have copies in our hands at this > moment? > > FoFP > -- From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 17 08:28:50 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:28:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Noooooo:). My latin is too rusty! ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Colin Allen writes: > > > If you cannot argue your case, use an ad-hominem:)) > > This'll be good. I don't think we've ever bickered in Latin before... > > FoFP > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 17 08:32:52 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:32:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Mike, A nice theory; I almost wish that it was true. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Stephe writes: > > > Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > > seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > > don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have done > > something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to fuel > > the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like its > > almost out of spite. > > As something of a Master-Baiter, I'd concur that the Ebay auction was > almost certainly someone dropping a little fishy to see if they could > get a bite. > > They succeeded and the hook was that it was for charity. I think we > should all admire a clever stunt and move on. Hawkwind might as well > admit that they've been suckered and outmanouvered by the charity > gambit. They can't do anything now that will make them look other than > mean. I'm not sure that the author of the clever stunt won't anyway > look rather sly by this use of the charity in taking a prod at their > ex-colleagues. > > As for the rest of us, getting in the middle is a bit like deciding to > ramp up a spat between one's parents. I like a good argument as much as > the next guy but I can't see any percentage in hyping this one. > > FoFP > From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Aug 17 09:35:50 2005 From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:35:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anubian Lights Reach New Heights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting Rich : > Oddly: > > Having just flown the Atlantic with American Airlines (UK Back to USA) I was > looking at their entertainment guide in the vague hope of being able to > watch anything decent on the trip. > > On their radio playlist for 'up and coming' music along with the usual > chaffe, was an Anubian Lights track!! Very cool. The airlines have been having a LOT more interesting music lately. Delta Song have some cool stuff on their systems as well. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "I am the storm that won't be calmed, I am the calm that follows. I'm in the stars that fill your sky and when I choose, I'll be in your thoughts, I'll be in your dreams, all the light you see, all the air you breathe." Light and Space - THRESHOLD From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 17 11:09:04 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:09:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: However, I do like the way that your mind works:). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > Mike, > > A nice theory; I almost wish that it was true. > > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) > > > > Stephe writes: > > > > > Not to be an ass Colin, but why would you not really want it? It doesn't > > > seem right, that fans have been craving this stuff and someone says they > > > don't really want it. That pisses me off. Good cause or not. HW have > done > > > something nice to their fans, and it sounds like you're just trying to > fuel > > > the fire. Isn't there many other means to raise money? This seems like > its > > > almost out of spite. > > > > As something of a Master-Baiter, I'd concur that the Ebay auction was > > almost certainly someone dropping a little fishy to see if they could > > get a bite. > > > > They succeeded and the hook was that it was for charity. I think we > > should all admire a clever stunt and move on. Hawkwind might as well > > admit that they've been suckered and outmanouvered by the charity > > gambit. They can't do anything now that will make them look other than > > mean. I'm not sure that the author of the clever stunt won't anyway > > look rather sly by this use of the charity in taking a prod at their > > ex-colleagues. > > > > As for the rest of us, getting in the middle is a bit like deciding to > > ramp up a spat between one's parents. I like a good argument as much as > > the next guy but I can't see any percentage in hyping this one. > > > > FoFP > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 12:14:06 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:14:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > However, I do like the way that your mind works:). Yeah. If I'd know you got paid for arguing, I'd have been a lawyer too ;-) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 17 12:16:05 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:16:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: Mike Sez: > I like a good argument as much as the next guy Provided of course that the next guy is Ghengis Khan... FoFP From jperkins at LYCOS.COM Wed Aug 17 13:27:56 2005 From: jperkins at LYCOS.COM (Jeff Perkins) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:27:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) Message-ID: Surely the whole point of the promo-cd is to raise awareness about the imminent new releases about to appear. The band are sending them out to passport holders and people who emailed asking for them. These would largely seem to be the people who would be most aware that the first new studio releases in a long time are about to appear. People giving away copies OR selling them on Ebay or out the back of a truck or anything like that are surely going to reach more people who are unaware and this is all good publicity. Someone willing to shell out 25 quid for a promo cd just might be willing to shell out 11 for a new album even without a bonus dvd included. They might even decide to catch a show if they live in a part of the world blessed with such events. Getting these cd's to people willing to pay for them is actually identifying the segment of the market that promo is going to be most effective with. Personally I think the band itself should be flooding Ebay with cheap copies of the promo and should have sent out 5 copies to everyone on their list asking them to hand them on to lost fans, potential converts, radio stations and if a small percentage of the people providing publicity to the band managed to make a little bit of beer money in the process good for them. For the rest of us we'll listen to it a couple of times then shelve it when the real thing emerges shortly after. I don't seem to recall people being questioned about their loyalty to the band for selling genuine rarities that they owned on these lists. If someone were willing to part with their only copy of Warrior, ASAM or 25 Years they'd be very popular (for a while) rather than pilloried. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Aug 17 14:16:54 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:16:54 +0100 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! In-Reply-To: <1124245270.8832.53.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Paul Mather wrote: > In this case, isn't Colin raising money for a specific individual to > spend time on sabbatical helping out in Sri Lanka? It would seem in > this instance he knows exactly where his donation is going. Yeah, I wish someone would raise money for *me* to take a sabbatical, I spend every year trying to arrange for this to happen :-) Why haven't any of Iommi's, Geezer's or Ozzy's albums been called _Sabbatical_, eh? Someone tell Sharon. Yours, Jon ObCD: Roky Erickson and the Explosives - _Casting the Runes_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 17 17:45:33 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:45:33 EDT Subject: Umm, Hi. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:43:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: It's a shame it wasn't a promo of The Iron Dream, because then I could mention Hitler and kill the discussion. Kill with Stukas or panzers? Hang around, Andrew. There's tides of bitchyness oncet in a while, but it blows over. Joe From a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM Wed Aug 17 18:40:28 2005 From: a.f.wilson at GMAIL.COM (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:40:28 +0100 Subject: Umm, Hi. In-Reply-To: <207.746c308.303509fd@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Hang around, Andrew. > > There's tides of bitchyness oncet in a while, but it blows over. > > Joe Cool, in the meantime I'll swallow my blue dreamer and place my helmet upon my head. :-) From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Wed Aug 17 19:59:33 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:59:33 +0100 Subject: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! Message-ID: PMSL-ROF!!!!!!!! Ooops - well spotted that man - or in true "Hallo Hallo" fashion, "will spooted that min" PsytRax it is and shall always be!!! Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Fergus Wilson To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Re: was HW: Promo..blah blah blah - now back to music!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] > > On Behalf Of Cyberkrel > > > > CD's - let me tell you that Psytax 2 will boast an exclusive track from > > 'Psytax'? Is this payable only on the sales of promotional material and > other Assorted Ephemera? ;-) From denis at PTI-INC.DE Thu Aug 18 15:45:55 2005 From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:45:55 +0200 Subject: Bob Moog seriously ill Message-ID: Hi, I just found out that synth-pioneer Dr. Bob Moog has fallen ill with an inoperable brain tumor. Judging from the latest message from his son () Bob's situation has now become critical: | This is a very sad entry. We called in Hospice yesterday, when | I still felt that the main help they could give us was to manage his | agitation, but there has been a real change today, and it is clear | that he will not be with us for much longer. This is very sad news. :-( After all Bob and his family were still hoping that the chemo/ radiation-therapy he was subjected to would have a positive effect and lead to the shrinking of the tumor. This new development is just utterly devastating. So if you you want, you can visit the site Bob's family put up (see URL above) and sign the guestbook there to show your sympathy. (c)IAO D+R From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Aug 18 16:56:15 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:56:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Promo Single (on E-Bay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jeff Perkins wrote: > Surely the whole point of the promo-cd is to raise awareness about the > imminent new releases about to appear. > For the rest of us we'll listen to it a couple of times then shelve it > when the real thing emerges shortly after. I don't seem to recall people > being questioned about their loyalty to the band for selling genuine > rarities that they owned on these lists. If someone were willing to part > with their only copy of Warrior, ASAM or 25 Years they'd be very popular > (for a while) rather than pilloried. I see the point there, but I'm not sure the comparison quite works. This is only a rarity in some odd ways; given that we can all get one for free, or at least for negligible postage, its market value should be low, whereas _Warrior_ etc. are quite the reverse because they're so hard to find. Then there's the old traders' ethic that what is sold can be sold but what was free shouldn't be; so sell albums but only trade bootlegs, and so on. Not everyone subscribes to this of course but if you do, then reselling this promo (and I agree with you, it *is* a promo item no matter what MCPS would call it) is clearly `forbidden'. And then, what with HW currently being so down on any trading, I can't imagine they'd be happy about it whatever colour the dealing took. I do kind of wish that if Rik were going to snipe at people for personal reasons on-list, he'd not use the Official Hawkwind Address to do it, or at least sign himself. I don't imagine Dave or Kris would be any happier with the situation but it'd be nice if it were clear that it's not they who have spoken here. The style may not be identifiable to everyone... Yours, Jon ObCD: Gas Giant - _Pleasant Journey in Heavy Tunes_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From dudeofebay at AOL.COM Thu Aug 18 22:47:43 2005 From: dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:47:43 -0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Aug 18 23:40:23 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:40:23 -0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 22:47 -0400, Josh Schwartz wrote: > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? Just one: this is BOC-L. If you want to know why you were kicked off the Yahoo! group, you should probably ask the people on there. Airing Yahoo! group dirty laundry on BOC-L is not very nice, because it will probably just result in a spill-over of flames from there to here. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Fri Aug 19 02:00:31 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:00:31 EDT Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: Good point Paul, BUT...my posts on this topic are apparently being censored. I'm asking if anyone else has had a similar experience with the Yahoo group (being unsubscribed or having posts censored/deleted), but I'm apparently not allowed to ask this question in the Yahoo group, so I'm asking it here. It could be a technical glitch, but given what is posted on Hawkwind's official website, I thought I'd at least ask. Cheers, Josh In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:41:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 22:47 -0400, Josh Schwartz wrote: > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? Just one: this is BOC-L. If you want to know why you were kicked off the Yahoo! group, you should probably ask the people on there. Airing Yahoo! group dirty laundry on BOC-L is not very nice, because it will probably just result in a spill-over of flames from there to here. Cheers, Paul. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Fri Aug 19 03:27:48 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:27:48 -0400 Subject: Take Me To Your Leader promotion Message-ID: Hello all, I know Dave posted about this a couple weeks ago but I've just received a big stack of flyers promoting Take Me To Your Leader. I'll be happy to cover anyone in the US who will be attending any shows where the crowd might be Hawk friendly and you're willing to pass them around. If so, drop me a note OFF LIST at jkranitz at aural-innovations.com and I'll hook you up. I'm sending them out with all orders I'm getting in the store and will bring them to the ProgDay festival with me over Labor Day weekend. The Spacious Mind is playing so the usual prog crowd should include some space/psych freaks this year. Jerry From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 19 04:29:10 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (Pete J Howe) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:29:10 -0400 Subject: subtle cover change of single.. Message-ID: Anyone else noticed the switch of covers for the Hawkwind single?The close up of dave and matthew is now the radio edit...and the "test-tube pic" is now the live version!A couple of weeks ago , it was the other way round...im getting very confused as to which versions which,and Dave Law tells us to get CD2 from Amazon and CD1 elsewhere..but what exactly is CD2 now?!!!!Anyhow,i ordered both from Amazon ages ago....(oops, sorry Dave!) Pete "theres mass confusion here...." From coral at APORT.RU Fri Aug 19 05:09:33 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:09:33 +0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: It happens when the e-mail is bouncing. Then Yahoo removes the address. It happened with my e-mail few times. That's what happened with Rik. You just simply recover your account on the list. That's all. No censorship. cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:47 AM Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? > From coral at APORT.RU Fri Aug 19 05:12:05 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:12:05 +0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: Paranoia waiting for ya........ It's just a yahoo glitch and it always was so. If you ever worked with Yahoo lists you would know. I had my own lists few years ago and I know how it is. And if your e-mails are late to deliver to yahoo list it's not because of censoship it's because e-mail service doesn't work good. Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? > Good point Paul, BUT...my posts on this topic are apparently being censored. > I'm asking if anyone else has had a similar experience with the Yahoo group > (being unsubscribed or having posts censored/deleted), but I'm apparently > not allowed to ask this question in the Yahoo group, so I'm asking it here. It > could be a technical glitch, but given what is posted on Hawkwind's official > website, I thought I'd at least ask. > > Cheers, > Josh > > In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:41:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: > > On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 22:47 -0400, Josh Schwartz wrote: > > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? > > Just one: this is BOC-L. If you want to know why you were kicked off > the Yahoo! group, you should probably ask the people on there. Airing > Yahoo! group dirty laundry on BOC-L is not very nice, because it will > probably just result in a spill-over of flames from there to here. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From coral at APORT.RU Fri Aug 19 05:20:26 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:20:26 +0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: By the way, the same thing happened to me with this Boc-L list too - I was unsubscribed several times. Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? > Good point Paul, BUT...my posts on this topic are apparently being censored. > I'm asking if anyone else has had a similar experience with the Yahoo group > (being unsubscribed or having posts censored/deleted), but I'm apparently > not allowed to ask this question in the Yahoo group, so I'm asking it here. It > could be a technical glitch, but given what is posted on Hawkwind's official > website, I thought I'd at least ask. > > Cheers, > Josh > > In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:41:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: > > On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 22:47 -0400, Josh Schwartz wrote: > > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? > > Just one: this is BOC-L. If you want to know why you were kicked off > the Yahoo! group, you should probably ask the people on there. Airing > Yahoo! group dirty laundry on BOC-L is not very nice, because it will > probably just result in a spill-over of flames from there to here. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 19 07:01:52 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:01:52 +0000 Subject: subtle cover change of single.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh, and also..Amazon STILL show the OLD covers(they show the brock/wright close-up pic as the live version)!!!now im so confused ive forgotten my name and where i am... >From: Pete J Howe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: subtle cover change of single.. >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:29:10 -0400 > >Anyone else noticed the switch of covers for the Hawkwind single?The close >up of dave and matthew is now the radio edit...and the "test-tube pic" is >now the live version!A couple of weeks ago , it was the other way >round...im getting very confused as to which versions which,and Dave Law >tells us to get CD2 from Amazon and CD1 elsewhere..but what exactly is CD2 >now?!!!!Anyhow,i ordered both from Amazon ages ago....(oops, sorry Dave!) > Pete > "theres mass confusion here...." _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Aug 19 16:39:25 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? Message-ID: It's a Yahoo thing. It's happened to me too and even now I'm only kind of half subscribed. I get the posts but can't mail anything ever since I changed my preferred address. I really should register the new one on the Web page but it means hunting through my entire computer to find the Yahoo password so I've never got around to it! cheers jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo > Hawkwind group > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from > the group > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this > was a > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of > my posts > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? > > From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Aug 19 18:19:45 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:19:45 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday Message-ID: Hawkwind make an appearence on Bridgewaters local station BCR FM this monday at approx 11.05am UK time, full details can be found at - http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm and then scroll down to the bottom of the page thanks as ever regards Dave p.s - but please remember that the only official outlet for Hawkwind news is www.hawkwind.com so please also check there in case of any alterations From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 19 18:42:40 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:42:40 -0400 Subject: Promo cd and bootleg selling Message-ID: I was just on the ebay page and noticed the promo cd for $40 by a seller named Pongmaster. This is the one of the guys selling bootlegs there. Strange!!!! Cheers Stephe From dplaw at IC24.NET Fri Aug 19 19:43:18 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:43:18 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday Message-ID: oops, sorry according to MC the interview on Monday is due at 11.30 not 11.05 as i previously claimed, sorry for any misunderstanding regards dave On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:19:45 -0400, Dave Law wrote: >Hawkwind make an appearence on Bridgewaters local station BCR FM this monday >at approx 11.05am UK time, full details can be found at - >http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/new_page_5.htm >and then scroll down to the bottom of the page > >thanks as ever > >regards > >Dave > >p.s - but please remember that the only official outlet for Hawkwind news is >www.hawkwind.com so please also check there in case of any alterations From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Aug 20 08:49:09 2005 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:49:09 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 Message-ID: This one seems to have slipped in under the radar... Monday night C4, 11pm "Motorhead: Live Fast, Die Old" - documentary following the band on their recent UK tour and asking whether the group can keep up their hellraising lifestyle. Must be worth a look. Nick From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 21 10:48:41 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:48:41 -0400 Subject: SOTA on radio Caroline Message-ID: hi all, help needed, just put a request into Radio Caroline http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/ asking for SOTA, lo and behold 30 mins later they play, albeit the QSC version! anyway by way of back up could some of you kindly soles please mail in and say how great it was to hear the track, metion the new single, chart trek etc, etc (you should know the form by now) good feedback must look good for the band, so come on lets have some! thanks as ever for your assisitance regards dave p.s - remember this station can be heard on the www so it dosen't matter where you'tre from From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 21 19:34:13 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:34:13 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder Message-ID: hi all just to remind you that Hawkwind are scheduled to appear on Bridgewater based local radio station BCR FM at 11.30am (UK time) today, 22.08 for the record contact details are as follows e-mail studio at bcrfm.co.uk Telephone 01278 727701 Studio freephone 0808 078 1074 1 still not sure if the band are taking questions live on air but please send in questions for them via e-mail or phone, if possible try to keep these questions current, i.e about the single (please either mention Chart Trek in your communication or some of you can act dumb and ask when it's out, what label etc) and also TMTYL i do realize that at the end of the day it's up to you but i feel we are at a point now where we need to expand the campaign to the not quite so hard core fans and i feel that plenty of questions and an air of enthusiasm is the way forward from here. thanks as ever for your attention and assistance in this matter, only 2 weeks to go now and then i promise I'll shut up! ;-) regards Dave From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Aug 21 19:46:00 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: BOC on tv Message-ID: If anyone has the cable channel trio, they've been showing the 2002(?) `Jammys' with BOC playing "Don't Fear the Reaper" with the band moe. Lots of other neat stuff on the program too. tim 8>)... From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Aug 22 04:31:00 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:31:00 +0100 Subject: Promo cd and bootleg selling In-Reply-To: <000d01c5a50f$4e897190$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Pongmaster must be one of us... I see myselg bidding against him on a variety of stuff, from Promo Pictures to programs... they have deeper pockets than me also regards Stephe wrote on 8/19/2005, 11:42 PM: > I was just on the ebay page and noticed the promo cd for $40 by a > seller named Pongmaster. This is the one of the guys selling bootlegs > there. Strange!!!! Cheers Stephe > -- From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Mon Aug 22 04:54:19 2005 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:19 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: >>Mike Sez: >> I like a good argument as much as the next guy >Provided of course that the next guy is Ghengis Khan... >FoFP Anyone got a copy of 'Man Management Skills' by Atilla the Hun? cheers Maxine From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Aug 22 07:07:20 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:07:20 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder Message-ID: hi all i've just been informed that the interview has taken place but it's actually a pre-record piece, i.e it'll go out sometime in the near future, i'll endeavour to find out precisely when but just to bolster interest feel free to contact the station yourselves and ask when the interview is to be broadcast! sorry for any inconveinience caused on this one and thanks to all of you who were listening and getting involved but for now i suggest you "stand down" (although they are playing Kraftwerk as i write this) regards Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Mon Aug 22 07:22:00 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder Message-ID: hi all right things happening appace here, have just spoken to the bloke who did the interview (big HW fan apparently) and he's got to edit it down, couldn't give precise details of when it's going to be broadcast but soon! hopefully he's going to drop me a line when everything is confirmed! keep the faith regards dave From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Mon Aug 22 06:39:19 2005 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:39:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder Message-ID: Hi Dave Is this actually happening? I'm listening online at the moment & have heard no mention of HW so far and am listening to some truly dreadful music & local adverts! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: 22 August 2005 00:34 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder > hi all > > just to remind you that Hawkwind are scheduled to appear on Bridgewater > based local radio station > > BCR FM > at 11.30am (UK time) today, 22.08 > > for the record contact details are as follows > e-mail studio at bcrfm.co.uk > Telephone 01278 727701 > Studio freephone 0808 078 1074 1 > > still not sure if the band are taking questions live on air but please send > in questions for them via e-mail or phone, if possible try to keep these > questions current, i.e about the single (please either mention Chart Trek in > your communication or some of you can act dumb and ask when it's out, what > label etc) and also TMTYL > > i do realize that at the end of the day it's up to you but i feel we are at > a point now where we need to expand the campaign to the not quite so hard > core fans and i feel that plenty of questions and an air of enthusiasm is > the way forward from here. > > thanks as ever for your attention and assistance in this matter, only 2 > weeks to go now and then i promise I'll shut up! ;-) > > regards > > Dave > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Aug 22 11:32:10 2005 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Ghengiz Stephan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:32:10 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:19 +0100, Maxine Wesley wrote: > >Anyone got a copy of 'Man Management Skills' by Atilla the Hun? > >cheers Maxine Here you go! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /0446391069/qid=1124724478/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-7194846-4216925? v=glance&s=books Sorry about the link, you may have to reassemble by hand. Stephan From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Aug 22 15:01:18 2005 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:01:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: Attn Albert B In-Reply-To: <4300B516.2010407@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:30 AM, John McIntyre wrote: > Sigh, I don't think they'll be coming back to Lansing MI anytime soon. > Friday's show at the Temple Club was a frustrating experience. (Hint: > next time try Mac's Bar. Thor's show outdrew you 20 to 1.) So he had 20 people eh? Poor guy. ;-) > > I got there about 9 PM and was told I couldn't go upstairs as the band > was doing their soundcheck. They sure were, and they were working on > "Astronomy". It's going to take armed guards to keep me away, and > that's one more thing the Temple Club lacks, so up I went. The band is > still working out the kinks, but I was loving it, mistakes and all. > They played right up to the point where the "Hey"s come in and stopped, > so I yelled out "Hey". The guitarist's head swivled around to look at > me. Then they worked out the ending, which got me up and applauding, > to > the band's amusement. > > Meanwhile, the Temple Club had no idea what was going on with the PA. > The monitor mix was coming out the mains, and the main mix was coming > out nowhere. Things would not get much better as the night wore on. > > Finally they were able to get something coming out the main speakers, > and the first band went on. And instantly started complaining about > the > monitors. Then the lead player's amp blew, and there was a delay while > they borrowed an amp from the third band on the bill. Finally they > staggered to a close. Given their comments from the stage, it will be > interesting to see if they ever play the Temple Club again. > > The Brain Surgeons were up next, and I claimed the spot right in front > of Deb. Not that there was much competition - one guy stood to my > left. The band played with fire, and I was really enjoying myself. > Standing so close to the stage, the PA was aimed behind me, so I have > no > idea how the vocals were, but the instruments were hot, and I was close > enough to hear Deb direct. Then I looked behind me to see how the > crowd > was reacting. And there was no crowd. The main floor was empty. > Maybe > five people were hiding around the fringes. I felt sorry for the band, > to have come so far for this had to be disappointing. To their credit, > they didn't let the music suffer, but they did cut the set list short. > And dammit, they left out "Astronomy". It had been planned - I could > see it on the set list. I jumped on stage when they finished their > set > and demanded "Astronomy". Al shot me a worried look, as if he feared a > physical assault, and said they'd do another song "But not > 'Astronomy'." So I had to settle for "Dominance and Submission." They claimed to have a bunch of people paying admission but the place was so big it really looked like there was only 5. Anyway that's the beauty of playing so many shows is that it's like baseball there's another game the next day. And if a tour is like a season then we had a winning one AND they were all away games. The previous night the club looked like a real dive in a bad part of town but it turned out to be one of the best shows. Go figure. And the next night in Chicago was one of the best sounding shows in Surgeons history. Life is great! > > To the band's credit, they were all gracious enough to sign the set > list > I stole from the stage, although I do suspect Deb's "Thanks for helping > us rock Lansing" was sarcastic. (-8 Al apologized for omitting > "Astronomy", saying it was not yet ready for human consumption. > > By all means go see them if they come near you. But you might not want > to mention "Temple Club" within their hearing. (-8 Ironically they could not have been nicer people. The treated us like rock stars and honored every letter of their agreement and then some. I would consider coming back but I'd play the downstairs room which is smaller and sounds 1000% better according to the other bands. Sorry for the bad sound. I hope you'll get a chance to see under more favorable circumstances. BTW the sound onstage was the worst I can ever remember. It was like driving a Corvette through quicksand. But that's the kind of thing that builds character, like an ice-cold shower. Al From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 22 15:18:21 2005 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (EliPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:18:21 EDT Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD Message-ID: I received the Hawkwind promo CD here in New York, USA today, so copies are finding their way to America now. The CD is very cool, with a new Dave Brock interview interspersed with track excerpts from the new album. It really gets you hungry for the new CD. It comes with a sheet of promo stickers for the new album. I wanted to thank Hawkwind, the folks at Voiceprint, Kris, Margaret, Rik and everyone involved in this gift to the fans. I wish the band great sucess with this new release, and hope the single finds a spot in the charts on its release. Thanks again, Hawkwind, you guys are the best. Yours, Eli Friedman From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Aug 22 20:24:05 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:24:05 -0400 Subject: Bob Moog, RIP In-Reply-To: <5b1a728a1702c6b859567b2c695872a6@mindspring.com> Message-ID: from the BBC website, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4173510.stm From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Aug 23 04:38:58 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:38:58 -0400 Subject: Robert Calvert play staged in London Message-ID: [posted on behalf of Knut Gerwers] Hello all, I've just received the news, that the Calvert play The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam?s Dice will be staged in London - at the same theatre (Pentameters Theatre) where it was premiered in 1976. following you'll find the official press-release from Pentameters - you can also find it on start-page the Calvert website http://aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert - including a pic of the actor playing Jimi Hendrix a.m. here's the: PRESS RELEASE Pentameters Presents: A new production of "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam?s Dice" by Robert Calvert Running from Tuesday 23rd August to Saturday 10th September 2005 PRESS NIGHT: Thursday 25th August 2005 at 8.00pm Pentameters Theatre, The Three Horseshoes, 28 Heath Street, London NW3 6TE Tuesday to Saturday 8.00pm (no show Sunday and Monday) Nearest tube ? Hampstead (Northern Line) Buses 268, 46 Tickets ?10. ?8 concs. Box Office : 0207 4353648 For Press night tickets and enquiries: Lester Richards (07766 105780) Email enquiries: lesterrichards at yahoo.co.uk Pentameters is pleased to present the first production in 20 years of this fascinating play, about a little-known and formative episode in the early life of Jimi Hendrix, and the first production of the play since the death of the author in 1988. The play was first produced by Leonie Scott-Matthews at Pentametres Theatre in 1976. "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam?s Dice" is a play exploring forces inside the young Jimi Hendrix, whilst still a paratrooper in the U.S. Air Force, which ultimately led him to become a rock legend. It is the story of a day in Hendrix?s life in the parachute regiment and his relationship with his sargeant. Robert Calvert, author, was an influential 1970?s poet, playwright and vocalist with the rock band Hawkwind. There were many connections between Hawkwind and Hendrix. Lemmy, the band?s bassist who later went on to achieve fame with Motorhead, is reputed to have roadied for the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and Jimi himself is said to have watched Hawkwind?s performance at the Isle of Wight festival from the audience. Lester Richards, Director, made his directorial debut in May 2003 with "Firestarters" by Max Frisch, also at Pentameters. This new translation by the director was the first full translation into English of both the play and the epilogue in over 40 years. He has previously worked in the theatre as an actor, lighting technician and sound technician. Press: Lester Richards (07766 105780) Email: lesterrichards at yahoo.co.uk From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Aug 23 04:45:25 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:45:25 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind on the radio this Monday - a reminder Message-ID: with regards the BCR interview, it's looking like it's going out on sunday but will confirm when i'm told 100%. you might also be interested to know that i've just posted a message to the BBC Radio 2 message board at - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142831 once more banging on about the single, so if any of you fancy replying to this, bolstering interest (and mentioning the album, D'oh) then please feel free. should also mention that there's a simple sign up process involved but nothing to in depth. thanks as ever for your support regards Dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Tue Aug 23 10:40:40 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:40:40 +0000 Subject: 2 Assassins and 2 OEBs in New York, Harvey Bainbridge & Spaceseed on tour, etc Message-ID: Just a reminder about the upcoming 'One Eyed Assassin' show in New York City, Saturday, September 17th...This is a one off gig featuring Dave Adams & Kevin Perry of 'Assassins of Silence' and Mike Burro & Jay Adcock of 'The One Eyed Bishops' & SLOTERDIJK. Come welcome Dave & Kevin to 'The Big Apple' and catch this special spacerock performance in the city's Greenwhich Village section. We will be bringing those full color promo flyers for the new Hawkwind album, you've been hearing about, so make sure to pick one up at the gig. Not only do they provide excellent ordering info, but they make a great pinup/poster too.. Also we'd like to take this time to mention the upcoming Harvey Bainbridge/Spaceseed 'Clouds over Titan' tour which will kick off in late September. To all our New York area friends,we'll also have flyers for that tour, and for Harvey's performance at Manhattan's 'Knitting Factory', on October 2nd. You can check out all the details thus far at: http://www.spaceseed.org Mike Burro will be guesting with Spaceseed as additional synth player/audio generator at several east coast shows!! Log into the 'Strange-Trips' website: http://www.strange-trips.com for additional info about Harvey,The Solar-Fire Lightshow and more!!! For complete information about the 'One Eyed Assassin' show on 9/17 click on the following URL: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/7/prweb266035.php From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Aug 23 11:22:53 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:22:53 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 Message-ID: Quite amusing... Lemmy as droll as ever. Didn't learn much new - and I really didn't need to learn what messrs. Dee & Campbell did for entertainment with fridge dooors EEEEWWWW....ouch! ChrisW NP:The Black Page #2/FZ (from Baby Snakes) ============================================= Chris Warburton Senior Database Administrator OAG Worldwide Ltd Tel: + 44 (0)1582 695463 Fax: + 44 (0)1582 845695 Mobile: +44 (0)7958 754169 ============================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Automatic > digest processor > Sent: 21 August 2005 10:00 > To: Recipients of BOC-L digests > Subject: BOC-L Digest - 20 Aug 2005 to 21 Aug 2005 (#2005-217) > > > There is one message totalling 19 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:49:09 +0100 > From: Nick Lee > Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 > > This one seems to have slipped in under the radar... > > Monday night C4, 11pm "Motorhead: Live Fast, Die Old" - > documentary following the band on their recent UK tour and > asking whether the group can keep up their hellraising lifestyle. > > Must be worth a look. > > Nick > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 20 Aug 2005 to 21 Aug 2005 (#2005-217) > ************************************************************ > > NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Aug 23 11:31:37 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:31:37 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 In-Reply-To: <7EB1B21B9738D44F91456B3D81367DBD37DEF6@uk01ex03.travel.oag.com> Message-ID: Seemed to me that they filmed Lemmy, mainly when he was pissed, certainly slurring the words alot.. or are his false teeth causing that slurr, is is that a slurr. anyhow... Good program, pity didn't learn owt new... now how hard to i have to slam the fridge door to make it go blue ? CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote on 8/23/2005, 4:22 PM: > Quite amusing... Lemmy as droll as ever. Didn't learn much new - and I > really didn't need to learn what messrs. Dee & Campbell did for > entertainment with fridge dooors EEEEWWWW....ouch! > ChrisW > NP:The Black Page #2/FZ (from Baby Snakes) > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Aug 23 13:22:41 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:22:41 -0400 Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD Message-ID: Eli wrote: > I received the Hawkwind promo CD here in New York, USA today, so copies are > finding their way to America now. The CD is very cool, with a new Dave Brock > interview interspersed with track excerpts from the new album. It really gets > you hungry for the new CD. It comes with a sheet of promo stickers for the new > album. I wanted to thank Hawkwind, the folks at Voiceprint, Kris, Margaret, Rik > and everyone involved in this gift to the fans. I wish the band great sucess > with this new release, and hope the single finds a spot in the charts on its > release. Thanks again, Hawkwind, you guys are the best. Hear hear! I just received mine (also in NY state), and it's a neat little appetizer before the full album. The mini-posters and stickers were a nice added touch. Brian From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 23 15:09:06 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:09:06 +0400 Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD Message-ID: And I didn't receive promo yet. And usually it's faster to deliver from UK to Russia than to USA... Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD > Eli wrote: > > I received the Hawkwind promo CD here in New York, USA today, so copies are > > finding their way to America now. The CD is very cool, with a new Dave Brock > > interview interspersed with track excerpts from the new album. It really gets > > you hungry for the new CD. It comes with a sheet of promo stickers for the new > > album. I wanted to thank Hawkwind, the folks at Voiceprint, Kris, Margaret, Rik > > and everyone involved in this gift to the fans. I wish the band great sucess > > with this new release, and hope the single finds a spot in the charts on its > > release. Thanks again, Hawkwind, you guys are the best. > > Hear hear! I just received mine (also in NY state), and it's a neat little appetizer before the full album. The mini-posters and stickers were a nice added touch. > > Brian > From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 23 16:21:38 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:21:38 -0400 Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD Message-ID: Got mine too. Thank you to Hawkwind + crew!!! You guys rock. I'm a happy Hawkfan!!Cheers Stephe From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 23 16:20:30 2005 From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:20:30 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:22:53 +0100, CWarburton at OAG.COM wrote: >Quite amusing... Lemmy as droll as ever. Didn't learn much new I was quite tickled to learn that Phil Campbell's dog is called Ozzy- "because he s**ts himself all the time". Aside from that I actually ended up feeling a bit sad. Would have liked to have seen a doc of Motorhead on the road 25 years ago. Nick From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Aug 23 16:23:00 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:23:00 +0200 Subject: Re.Hawkwind promo CD In-Reply-To: <000601c5a820$442f0840$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Received mine today as well. Many thanks to Hawkwind and all people who made this CD available!!! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Stephe Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:22 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Re.Hawkwind promo CD Got mine too. Thank you to Hawkwind + crew!!! You guys rock. I'm a happy Hawkfan!!Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 23 19:11:53 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:11:53 -0400 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Message-ID: Does anyone in the US own this? I'm just wondering if the format is compatible with our systems. I believe its region 3 PAL format. I'd really like to buy it, but if I can't play it, I won't bother. Cheers Stephe From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 23 19:06:10 2005 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:06:10 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 Message-ID: Yeah, I got the same vibe from the programme, there was an underlying melancholy to is that didn't site quite straight with the "it's rock and roll, kids" line it seemed to be taking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" > Aside from that I actually ended up feeling a bit sad. Would have liked to > have seen a doc of Motorhead on the road 25 years ago. From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 23 19:25:19 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:25:19 -0500 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd In-Reply-To: <000801c5a838$0cc020c0$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I'll have a look at our copy later tonight. Rich -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Does anyone in the US own this? I'm just wondering if the format is compatible with our systems. I believe its region 3 PAL format. I'd really like to buy it, but if I can't play it, I won't bother. Cheers Stephe From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 23 19:40:35 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:40:35 -0400 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Message-ID: Hi Rich, Thank you, Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Out of the shadows dvd > I'll have a look at our copy later tonight. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Stephe > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:12 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: Out of the shadows dvd > > > Does anyone in the US own this? I'm just wondering if the format is > compatible with our systems. I believe its region 3 PAL format. I'd really > like to buy it, but if I can't play it, I won't bother. Cheers Stephe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 23 19:55:03 2005 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:55:03 EDT Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Message-ID: It is PAL, and won't play on my DVD player.(any Region1, I would assume) Though it DOES play on the DVD player in my computer, Joe From wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 23 20:09:45 2005 From: wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET (Will Brehm) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Message-ID: I've got it. It's region 2 PAL so you need a way of defeating the region coding AND dealing with the PAL/NTSC thing. A stand-alone multi-region player should work. I wound up with a spare DVD drive for my PC, so I've got it permanently set for R2. And the PC has no problem playing PAL. I don't have a 5.1 setup on the PC, so, to hear that, I've got to play it on the stand-alone player and make do with no picture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: [BOC-L] Out of the shadows dvd Does anyone in the US own this? I'm just wondering if the format is compatible with our systems. I believe its region 3 PAL format. I'd really like to buy it, but if I can't play it, I won't bother. Cheers Stephe From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 23 20:29:41 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:29:41 -0500 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd In-Reply-To: <004501c5a840$229ac9b0$1772fb45@sleazy> Message-ID: Yeah, it won't play on an NTSC machine, sorry Stephe just checked. Note though, that you can get multiregion players with pal converters for about $80 these days. Rich W From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Tue Aug 23 21:12:26 2005 From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:12:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Promo CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ours arrived tonight, we've just listened to it. Lovely...the days until the release date need to move quicker..:-) Rich W From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Aug 24 04:46:13 2005 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:46:13 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF Motorhead documentary on C4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Completely agree with these statements, definate melancholy, not bitterness..... Just seemed sad that he was drinking when he woke up and the shakes that you saw a few times.... iain Chris Allen wrote on 8/24/2005, 12:06 AM: > Yeah, I got the same vibe from the programme, there was an underlying > melancholy to is that didn't site quite straight with the "it's rock and > roll, kids" line it seemed to be taking. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > > > Aside from that I actually ended up feeling a bit sad. Would have > liked to > > have seen a doc of Motorhead on the road 25 years ago. > From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 24 11:30:27 2005 From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:30:27 -0700 Subject: What's up? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Jerry... Sorry I've been so silent so long. I've been meaning to write one of these days, but keep forgetting to do so. So...unfortunately, the timing of the Sonic Rock event, which I decided I couldn't pass up, didn't allow me to come back to the US to go to ProgDay. That's a big bummer, 'cause Peter & Co. have a great lineup this year, with Nektar, Spacious Mind, and Happy the Man. I hope you have a great time there, and the weather obliges! I'll be flying back to Columbus then on Sept. 13th from Amsterdam, which means I'll have to take a ferry across the channel from England after Sonic Rock. But it was much cheaper from there than from London for some reason. I'll be staying in the US until at least October 20th, unless something strange happens. I'm now applying for a new job in Innsbruck and I'm very hopeful about that, but I can't be sure of what I'll be doing thereafter for another few weeks at least. I saw both Circle and Korai Orom at the Klangbad II festival in so. Germany, which was really excellent. Jussi & Co. are touring the US in September he tells me, and it may be that they are playing in Pittsburgh on the 15th (that's the date he seemed to remember, but I don't think he was absolutely sure). I was wondering if maybe you'd be interested in going over for the show. That's a Thursday I see, so not ideal (hopefully, it'll turn out to be Friday). I'm sure my brother could put us up for the night just west of the city. I also see Porcupine Tree and Harvey/Spaceseed doing shows in Cleveland early in October, and only two days apart. So I'm thinking about those shows too. But I don't have a car, nor a driver's license at the moment, so I'm not sure how mobile I'll be. Hopefully, they'll issue me a renewal to my license without actually having a home address. I also don't know where I'll be staying for that whole time (at least the part I'm in Columbus)...my friend from OSU will be in Minnesota for the first four days I'm in town (13-17), so I wondered if it might be possible to spend a day or two crashed out in your place. If you've got plans/company/no space, that's cool. I've managed just fine as a homeless person for four months, I think I can manage even in the states. :) Ciao...hope all's well with you and Deb. See you soon...Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Aug 24 11:37:00 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: Sanctuary on its last legs? Message-ID: It sounds from this report that Sanctuary is going through hard times right now: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1555137,00.html From paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Aug 24 11:40:03 2005 From: paulbrookes007 at HOTMAIL.COM (Paul Brookes) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:40:03 +0100 Subject: What's up? Message-ID: Thanks for the spam................. On 24/08/2005 16:30:27, khenders64 at yahoo.com wrote: > Hey Jerry... > > Sorry I've been so silent so long. I've been meaning to write one of > these days, but keep forgetting to do so. > > So...unfortunately, the timing of the Sonic Rock event, which I decided I > couldn't pass up, didn't allow me to come back to the US to go to ProgDay. > That's a big bummer, 'cause Peter & Co. have a great lineup this year, > with Nektar, Spacious Mind, and Happy the Man. I hope you have a great > time there, and the weather obliges! > > I'll be flying back to Columbus then on Sept. 13th from Amsterdam, which means I'll > have to take a ferry across the channel from England after Sonic Rock. > But it was much cheaper from there than from London for some reason. > I'll be staying in the US until at least October 20th, unless something strange happens. I'm > now applying for a new job in Innsbruck and > I'm very hopeful about that, but I can't be sure of what > I'll be doing thereafter for another few weeks at least. > > I saw both Circle and Korai Orom at the Klangbad II festival in so. Germany, which was really excellent. Jussi & Co. are touring the US in September he tells me, and it may be that they are playing in Pittsburgh on the 15th (that's > the date he seemed to remember, but I > d From GutterCat at AOL.COM Wed Aug 24 15:32:55 2005 From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:32:55 EDT Subject: OT: To the moderator... Change of email address... Message-ID: Sorry to post this to the list but I really can't find a way of changing the address my emails are delivered to for this list. I would like all posts to go to _StevePXR5 at aol.com_ (mailto:StevePXR5 at aol.com) instead of the GutterCat one I an using here. If you can sort it that's fine by me. If I need to do it myself, could you please send me a link so I can do it. Thanks, Steve. From wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET Wed Aug 24 19:33:34 2005 From: wbrehm1 at COMCAST.NET (Will Brehm) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:33:34 -0400 Subject: Out of the shadows dvd Message-ID: I don't know what I was thinking. It's R0 not R2. You don't have to worry about the region coding. (PAL conversion is still an issue.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brehm" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [BOC-L] Out of the shadows dvd > I've got it. It's region 2 PAL so you need a way of defeating the region > coding AND dealing with the PAL/NTSC thing. A stand-alone multi-region > player should work. > > I wound up with a spare DVD drive for my PC, so I've got it permanently > set > for R2. And the PC has no problem playing PAL. I don't have a 5.1 setup on > the PC, so, to hear that, I've got to play it on the stand-alone player > and > make do with no picture. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephe" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:11 PM > Subject: [BOC-L] Out of the shadows dvd > > > Does anyone in the US own this? I'm just wondering if the format is > compatible with our systems. I believe its region 3 PAL format. I'd really > like to buy it, but if I can't play it, I won't bother. Cheers Stephe From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Aug 25 08:55:43 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:55:43 -0400 Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? In-Reply-To: <004001c5a49d$b7b79650$8aa7fea9@ghostwheel3> Message-ID: Alisa is correct. Bouncing Emails are removed. Bouncing can happen when your ISP decides for some arcane reason to refuse a yahoogroups domain email. Unfortunately this happens a lot. Since there is no approval process, you simply sign back up. Because there is no approval process ALL new subcribers' messages are moderated till they post the first time. Then I or Bob reads said post, and approves it, and puts the new member off of message moderation. This was instituted so that spamers would not flood the group. Hope that helps. Mike Co-mod Hawkwind group on Yahoo -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Alisa Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET Subject: Re: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? It happens when the e-mail is bouncing. Then Yahoo removes the address. It happened with my e-mail few times. That's what happened with Rik. You just simply recover your account on the list. That's all. No censorship. cheers, Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:47 AM Subject: Kicked off of Yahoo Hawkwind group? > Has anybody else here been randomly kicked out of the Yahoo Hawkwind group > with no apparent explanation? I was recently unsubscribed from the group > (although I had no trouble rejoining), and was wondering if this was a > technical glitch, or if perhaps it had to do with the content of my posts > (ie. the Rick issue). Any thoughts? > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Aug 25 13:03:40 2005 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:03:40 +0200 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: Hi There is an interesting update on Hawkwinds official site..... Bernhard From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 25 15:35:36 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:35:36 -0500 Subject: HW site update In-Reply-To: <1E8L8g-23bnA80@fwd35.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, bernhard.pospiech wrote: :Subject: HW site update : :Hi : :There is an interesting update on Hawkwinds official site..... I hope someone from list is going ;-) Hey...so for those of you who got your promos....anyone know what the Calvert thing is that Dave was working on? and more speaking of promos....has anyone transcribed the interview yet? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Aug 25 15:58:20 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:20 +0100 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: Hi Bernard Thanks for pointing that one out. Now that is interesting............. I'm free on that date, so I think I may be a little busy tomorrow evening................. Getting ever more excited now... must go and lie down............. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernhard.pospiech" To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: HW site update > Hi > > There is an interesting update on Hawkwinds official site..... > > > Bernhard > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 25/08/2005 From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 25 18:58:41 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:58:41 EDT Subject: HW site update Message-ID: In a message dated 25/08/2005 20:59:19 GMT Standard Time, neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM writes: Hi Bernard Thanks for pointing that one out. Now that is interesting............. I'm free on that date, so I think I may be a little busy tomorrow evening................. What date? Are there things on that site that only certain people can see? I saw adverts for the new releases... and all the old stuff that is there. Please tell. Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 25 19:01:02 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:01:02 EDT Subject: HW site update Message-ID: In a message dated 25/08/2005 20:37:16 GMT Standard Time, akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU writes: I hope someone from list is going ;-) Going where?????? From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Thu Aug 25 19:28:05 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:28:05 -0400 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: HW site update > > Going where?????? LOL!!! You know. :-) From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 25 19:20:13 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:20:13 -0500 Subject: HW site update In-Reply-To: <1f1.4295216e.303fa7ae@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: HW site update : :I hope someone from list is going ;-) : :Going where?????? On the website, it says that there are going to be tix for a few lucky fans at the launch party. That's where ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Aug 25 19:20:39 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:20:39 -0500 Subject: HW site update In-Reply-To: <1c3.2f84106f.303fa721@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 StevePXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: HW site update : :What date? Are there things on that site that only certain people can see? :I saw adverts for the new releases... and all the old stuff that is there. :Please tell. Look at the updates page. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK Fri Aug 26 07:47:50 2005 From: mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK (Mark Painter) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:47:50 +0100 Subject: Dave's Brocks Interview on Sunday Message-ID: Hi All I am the bloke who did the interview, and yes I am a HUGE fan.... Have been since before my first HW gig in Yeovil in 1974...! Anyway, I will be playing the edited (around 5 minutes) version of the interview at around 10:20. The station's web address is www.bcrfm.co.uk If anyone is interested in having it on MP3, just let me know. Regards Mark From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Fri Aug 26 12:16:40 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:16:40 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: yet another money grabber selling their promo cd on e-bay! a chris sutton or something- seem to be all named chris! From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Aug 26 12:50:23 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:50:23 +0000 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes, mick, after all the bickering about owning something once its received, and selling it is ok blah blah etc etc..i hope that now all the USA BOC-L members who've now received their free promos can see why it is SO wrong to make money so quickly from what was a generously given, free, and very cherishable item. pete >From: Mick Davis >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:16:40 -0400 > >yet another money grabber selling their promo cd on e-bay! a chris sutton >or something- seem to be all named chris! _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk From mickymoocher at AOL.COM Fri Aug 26 12:54:18 2005 From: mickymoocher at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:54:18 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: i think that the hawkwind management should take all those who sell these promo cds off of their passport list immediately- it will cost the fake fans in the long run when the festival tickets are dished out etc etc From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 26 13:43:40 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:43:40 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to sell them, then they should at least send the money back to HW. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo >i think that the hawkwind management should take all those who sell these > promo cds off of their passport list immediately- it will cost the fake > fans in the long run when the festival tickets are dished out etc etc From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 26 15:11:41 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:11:41 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <000801c5aa65$b2336a60$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:43 -0400, Stephe wrote: > I totally agree. Oust them. If they are going to sell them, then they should > at least send the money back to HW. Cheers Stephe We should make them walk the plank! These evil-doers must be taught a lesson!! I notice there are people on eBay also selling a promo copy of the upcoming "Spirit of the Age" single, as well as an old promo 45 of "Seven By Seven." Please advise whether I should be outraged. ;-) Cheers, Paul. PS: I'm not condoning selling promo materials, but having bought such things in the past, it'd be a little hypocritical of me to condemn it. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From zim594j at TNINET.SE Fri Aug 26 15:43:18 2005 From: zim594j at TNINET.SE (zim594j@tninet.se) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:43:18 +0200 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: After all the controversity I'll bring You this si?nshine story from a Rush- site (I'm masterbuilder in the following conversation): Neill: I've got a freebie Take Me To Your Leader promo CD going spare if anyone wants it? It features snippits of tracks off the new album (including the single Spirit Of The Age) and a recent radio interview with Dave Brock. All in all about 25 mins. First one to PM gets it Neill: Pudders is the Master Of The Universe, and gets the promo Grin Pudders: Thanks Neill - looking forward to it Cheesy masterbuilder: Don't say You're a passport holder too Roll Eyes Laughing my A*** off Neill: Hahaha, yep - I'm afraid I am! I joined up years ago, and since moved, and forgot all about it - lost my passport too. Assumed the whole thing had been consigned to Hawk history. I happened to be surfing their site and saw a news item saying that all passport holders would get the promo, and any copies left would go out to those who emailed in. So I emailed in, and Margaret Tait (Kris's mum I guess!) emailed a few weeks later to say one had been sent off. Cool I thought. The promo turned up at home, and then the same day my Dad happened to call me about something, and also mentioned that a package had turned up at his house addressed to me - I'd not had post there for years since moving out! Turned out to be my passport-holder's copy of the promo, which is now winging it's way to Pudders Grin TNMS's 5,000,000th visitor! Pudders: Thanks Neill - got the ep this morning. Looks like I'll be picking up the new album then...... Neill: Heheheh, yeah my curiosity has got the better of me too. If you're going to get it, pre-order from Amazon, they're doing an exclusive DVD edition there Smiley From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Aug 26 17:50:32 2005 From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:50:32 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <22547544.1125085398574.JavaMail.root@morgan.glocalnet.net> Message-ID: On the other hand, not condoning the selling, but out of how many sent out are being sold? Prolly a very small percentage. Now I bet a different type of fan base would sell a higher percentage. Just goes to show this is a great fan base. Look to the bright side. Mike From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Aug 26 18:32:08 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:32:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Roadburn Festival 2006 Message-ID: Announcing the 11th Roadburn Festival Contrary to rumours that the10th Roadburn Festival was the last ever edition, we are pleased to announce the 11th Roadburn Festival, set for Saturday the 22nd of April 2006 at 013, Tilburg, Holland. The Roadburn Festival is Europe's foremost underground event for stonerrock and beyond; three rooms of stoner, doom & space rock mayhem. In addition to this years much acclaimed 10th anniversary edition, the 013 will host a special Roadburn pre party at Friday, April 21st, 2006. The pre party will showcase some of stonerrock's most promissing bands while the festival itself is aiming to have a line up of approx.12 of the very best stoner, doom and spacerock bands around. Keep checking www.roadburn.com for updates. From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:34:22 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:34:22 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Already in motion :-{ On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:54:18 -0400, Mick Davis wrote: >i think that the hawkwind management should take all those who sell these >promo cds off of their passport list immediately- it will cost the fake >fans in the long run when the festival tickets are dished out etc etc From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 26 19:13:11 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:13:11 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Hi Mike, My copy says, Promotion use only, not for sale. Thats a slap in the face to me. The band could have sold these, but they gave them to us for nothing. How do you know the band won't reconsider doing this again in the future? I would love to get free gifts from the band. Someone paid to put this together. They aren't making any money either. I realize some fans may not want theres, but why not just pass it on to someone who doesn't have one. Selling these is almost as bad as selling bootlegs. The few fans doing this are making money off of the band. I think its called RIP OFF. Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Montfort" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > On the other hand, not condoning the selling, but out of how many sent out > are being sold? > > Prolly a very small percentage. Now I bet a different type of fan base > would sell a higher percentage. > > Just goes to show this is a great fan base. > > Look to the bright side. > > Mike From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 26 20:01:33 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:01:33 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <000601c5aa93$ba62f8d0$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 19:13 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Hi Mike, My copy says, Promotion use only, not for sale. Thats a slap in the > face to me. The band could have sold these, but they gave them to us for > nothing. How do you know the band won't reconsider doing this again in the > future? I would love to get free gifts from the band. Someone paid to put > this together. They aren't making any money either. I realize some fans may > not want theres, but why not just pass it on to someone who doesn't have > one. Selling these is almost as bad as selling bootlegs. The few fans doing > this are making money off of the band. I think its called RIP OFF. Cheers > Stephe It may be sage to observe that, whatever you decide to call these---"gifts from the band," "manna from heaven," or whatever---you should note what is printed on them: promotional use. They are promos, designed to promote the upcoming release, and no different to all the promos that have been issued during the history of the band. (The only difference might be in a wider distribution, including directly to fans or passport holders.) Lots of fans, including some Kollectors on this list, have bought Hawkwind promos in their time. All those promos also say "for promotional use only, not for sale," and all of them were also ultimately paid for by the band. In the case of vinyl, fans may have bought more than one of the same item over time, when a better copy turned up. They likely will have *GASP* sold their old one when that happened. Are those fans committing a "RIP OFF" of Hawkwind? (I've never heard anyone complain about it in the past.) When I've seen people announce their Hawkwind collection for sale, I've never seen the caveat, "oh, except the promos, because that would be a doubleplus ungood RIP OFF of the band." :-) This is all getting a bit strange. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Fri Aug 26 20:32:42 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:32:42 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Hi Paul, Well you know if it was 5 years down the road, it would probably be a rare item right. Noone would think much then. THese guys are selling them hot off the press. I still think its a slap in the face. This is brand new. The album isn't released yet. Isn't a promo supposed to promote? How can it promote, if its free and has to be paid for? Record stores don't sell promo's. Maybe they should, but they'd get prosecuted. Its illegal. Read whats on the cd!!! I don't think a true HW fan would even sell theirs. Were these other promos, collectors have bought given out by the band? Did I miss something or maybe its back in the olden days before I was a fan. I may be mistaken, but its free for the asking via the HW website. Selling it is making money on the band. Its BOLLOCKS!!!!! Same as selling boots. If one was to use it for charity as Colin has, then why not do it as a raffle at a gig? It would probably generate a better response. Selling it is wrong, and I think any fan who does it should be shot in the head. If your not a collector, that doesn't give you the right to sell. Its illegal!! See you in court. Cheers Stephe Not all fans are collectors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 19:13 -0400, Stephe wrote: >> Hi Mike, My copy says, Promotion use only, not for sale. Thats a slap in >> the >> face to me. The band could have sold these, but they gave them to us for >> nothing. How do you know the band won't reconsider doing this again in >> the >> future? I would love to get free gifts from the band. Someone paid to put >> this together. They aren't making any money either. I realize some fans >> may >> not want theres, but why not just pass it on to someone who doesn't have >> one. Selling these is almost as bad as selling bootlegs. The few fans >> doing >> this are making money off of the band. I think its called RIP OFF. Cheers >> Stephe > > It may be sage to observe that, whatever you decide to call > these---"gifts from the band," "manna from heaven," or whatever---you > should note what is printed on them: promotional use. They are promos, > designed to promote the upcoming release, and no different to all the > promos that have been issued during the history of the band. (The only > difference might be in a wider distribution, including directly to fans > or passport holders.) > > Lots of fans, including some Kollectors on this list, have bought > Hawkwind promos in their time. All those promos also say "for > promotional use only, not for sale," and all of them were also > ultimately paid for by the band. In the case of vinyl, fans may have > bought more than one of the same item over time, when a better copy > turned up. They likely will have *GASP* sold their old one when that > happened. Are those fans committing a "RIP OFF" of Hawkwind? (I've > never heard anyone complain about it in the past.) When I've seen > people announce their Hawkwind collection for sale, I've never seen the > caveat, "oh, except the promos, because that would be a doubleplus > ungood RIP OFF of the band." :-) > > This is all getting a bit strange. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > -- > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From youless at COX.NET Fri Aug 26 20:39:39 2005 From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:39:39 -0400 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: Hi The interesting update on the official site has become even more interesting. And not only there - similar things are happening at the Hawkwind Museum and over at my site, Starfarer's Hawkwind Page. **Win Tickets to Hawkwind?s Launch Party for the Spirit Of The Age single** Details at: http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/is_proud_to_offer_you_the_chance.htm http://www.starfarer.net/chartrek.html Good luck! Steve From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Aug 26 20:51:40 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:51:40 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <000401c5aa9e$d69ee760$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: Well I don't know about being illegal, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "I don't think a true HW fan would even sell theirs" Of course they wouldn't - they'll treasure it!! I think we have to accept that a minority of people (I won't call them fans) are going to try and a make a few bucks by selling the free CD - I agree its bollocks but it's just being naive to think this won't happen - human nature?? Mick --- Stephe wrote: > Hi Paul, Well you know if it was 5 years down the > road, it would probably be > a rare item right. Noone would think much then. > THese guys are selling them > hot off the press. I still think its a slap in the > face. This is brand new. > The album isn't released yet. Isn't a promo supposed > to promote? How can it > promote, if its free and has to be paid for? Record > stores don't sell > promo's. Maybe they should, but they'd get > prosecuted. Its illegal. Read > whats on the cd!!! > I don't think a true HW fan would even sell theirs. > Were these other promos, > collectors have bought given out by the band? Did I > miss something or maybe > its back in the olden days before I was a fan. I may > be mistaken, but its > free for the asking via the HW website. Selling it > is making money on the > band. Its BOLLOCKS!!!!! Same as selling boots. If > one was to use it for > charity as Colin has, then why not do it as a raffle > at a gig? It would > probably generate a better response. Selling it is > wrong, and I think any > fan who does it should be shot in the head. If your > not a collector, that > doesn't give you the right to sell. Its illegal!! > See you in court. Cheers > Stephe > > > Not all fans are collectors. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > > > On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 19:13 -0400, Stephe wrote: > >> Hi Mike, My copy says, Promotion use only, not > for sale. Thats a slap in > >> the > >> face to me. The band could have sold these, but > they gave them to us for > >> nothing. How do you know the band won't > reconsider doing this again in > >> the > >> future? I would love to get free gifts from the > band. Someone paid to put > >> this together. They aren't making any money > either. I realize some fans > >> may > >> not want theres, but why not just pass it on to > someone who doesn't have > >> one. Selling these is almost as bad as selling > bootlegs. The few fans > >> doing > >> this are making money off of the band. I think > its called RIP OFF. Cheers > >> Stephe > > > > It may be sage to observe that, whatever you > decide to call > > these---"gifts from the band," "manna from > heaven," or whatever---you > > should note what is printed on them: promotional > use. They are promos, > > designed to promote the upcoming release, and no > different to all the > > promos that have been issued during the history of > the band. (The only > > difference might be in a wider distribution, > including directly to fans > > or passport holders.) > > > > Lots of fans, including some Kollectors on this > list, have bought > > Hawkwind promos in their time. All those promos > also say "for > > promotional use only, not for sale," and all of > them were also > > ultimately paid for by the band. In the case of > vinyl, fans may have > > bought more than one of the same item over time, > when a better copy > > turned up. They likely will have *GASP* sold > their old one when that > > happened. Are those fans committing a "RIP OFF" > of Hawkwind? (I've > > never heard anyone complain about it in the past.) > When I've seen > > people announce their Hawkwind collection for > sale, I've never seen the > > caveat, "oh, except the promos, because that would > be a doubleplus > > ungood RIP OFF of the band." :-) > > > > This is all getting a bit strange. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > -- > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a > bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Aug 26 23:49:43 2005 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:49:43 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <000401c5aa9e$d69ee760$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 20:32 -0400, Stephe wrote: > Hi Paul, Well you know if it was 5 years down the road, it would probably be > a rare item right. Noone would think much then. THese guys are selling them > hot off the press. I still think its a slap in the face. This is brand new. > The album isn't released yet. Isn't a promo supposed to promote? How can it > promote, if its free and has to be paid for? Record stores don't sell > promo's. Maybe they should, but they'd get prosecuted. Its illegal. Read > whats on the cd!!! Five minutes or five years, it's all the same once they've been issued. A lot of promos are likely to appear on the market close to their being issued, because that's when DJs etc. will have them pass through their hands and hence into the used realm. This is the best time, as a fan, to buy them, because it's when most are likely to be on the market. I don't know why it's a slap in the face to sell them now rather than next week; next month; or next year. Only a finite number of them are being released onto the second-hand market (guaranteed to passport holders, not to others). And, again, I don't understand why it is a slap in the face to sell *this* promo item and not other Hawkwind promo items. They all ultimately get billed to Hawkwind. You could actually successfully make the argument that those being sold on eBay are acting as promos for the band, though. Everyone that sees that auction now knows there is a new Hawkwind album coming out, which is the primary function of the promo (to create awareness). EBay is a huge market, so, arguably, this is exposing the upcoming album to more pairs of eyes that just sending them to passport holders (who presumably know already there is a new album coming out). You may personally consider selling these promos as the act of an evil-doer, but it's not all downside. Plus, fans are likely to pay less through eBay, as they don't necessarily have to finance the markup that "Collectibles" dealers add on as finders fees/overheads, etc. > I don't think a true HW fan would even sell theirs. Were these other promos, > collectors have bought given out by the band? In a way, yes. They weren't sent directly to fans, like this one, but, unless Hawkwind had radically different contracts with their record companies, these promos would ultimately be billed to the band. Things like advances, studio time, promotion, etc., are not free. They are recouped by the record company from sales. Nowadays, Hawkwind are more of a homebrew outfit, because they lack a major label contract (so far as I know), so grass roots efforts like the current promo dissemination are more likely and more sensible for successful promotion of the new album. You may categorise it as a "gift to fans," but it is also fundamentally a promotional tool. (If it were truly a gift, it would not have strings attached. Let's be accurate here.) I don't want to get into the "true HW fan" argument, because there's far too much zealotry swirling around the world nowadays as it is, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. > Did I miss something or maybe > its back in the olden days before I was a fan. I may be mistaken, but its > free for the asking via the HW website. Sure, it's free for the asking (assuming you know to do so, and, I guess, are online); it's only guaranteed to passport holders. Only a finite number will be distributed, leading to an inevitable market for them. > Selling it is making money on the > band. Its BOLLOCKS!!!!! I agree. I'm just confused that this outrage has not surfaced before when previous promos have been sold. > Same as selling boots. If one was to use it for > charity as Colin has, then why not do it as a raffle at a gig? It would > probably generate a better response. Selling it is wrong, and I think any > fan who does it should be shot in the head. Shooting people in the head for selling a promo sounds a little extreme to me. I hope you're not suggesting we shoot Colin in the head. :-) > If your not a collector, that > doesn't give you the right to sell. Its illegal!! See you in court. Why is it okay if you're a collector? (What makes someone a collector, anyway?) I agree about the illegality (or at least prohibition), what with the "For promotional use only. Not for sale." and all printed clearly. But this is printed clearly on all the Hawkwind promos that have ever been issued down through the years, and I've never heard the Thought Police come out saying people should be shot in the head for selling those in the past. I guess I'm just confused about all the fuss over this particular promo being sold and not the others, which are also labelled as not for sale and ultimately paid for by the band. But, I guess I should shut up about it for fear of jeopardising my chances of getting one myself (I'm not a passport holder, so I have to throw in my lot with all the other leftover lottery punters)... ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 03:33:50 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:33:50 EDT Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: hey stephe- a woman after my own heart- marry me? lol From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 27 04:35:50 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:35:50 +0000 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <1125114583.20722.50.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Message-ID: O.K....IVE BEEN SENT 2 COPIES...IM NOT SELLING THE SPARE ONE TO MAKE MONEY,LIKE ONE OF THE EBAY SELLERS... ITS NOT IN MY NATURE...AND IM NOT GOING TO HANG ONTO IT FOR 5 YEARS AND THEN SELL IT, IM GOING TO DO WHAT IT SAYS ON THE HAWKWIND WEBSITE..PASS IT ON!!!SO,IF ANY ONE WANTS MY SPARE COPY, WITH STICKERS ETC, LET ME KNOW,AND I'LL SEND IT ON....I'LL EVEN PAY FOR THE DARN POSTAGE,(as hawkwind had to)!!!(uk only please, though!)IF YOU WANT TO SELL IT,AFTER THAT, THATS UP TO YOU AND YOUR CONSCIENCE! Maybe,next time, Hawkwind should charge for these free items...then no-one would be making money,except maybe,and rightly, hawkwind and the record company... and also, only real fans would buy them, not greedy money makers. Pete p.s.-im glad to see that Rik & HW management are taking steps to cancel passports of fans selling these free items that are hot off the press. >From: Paul Mather >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:49:43 -0400 > >On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 20:32 -0400, Stephe wrote: > > Hi Paul, Well you know if it was 5 years down the road, it would >probably be > > a rare item right. Noone would think much then. THese guys are selling >them > > hot off the press. I still think its a slap in the face. This is brand >new. > > The album isn't released yet. Isn't a promo supposed to promote? How can >it > > promote, if its free and has to be paid for? Record stores don't sell > > promo's. Maybe they should, but they'd get prosecuted. Its illegal. Read > > whats on the cd!!! > >Five minutes or five years, it's all the same once they've been issued. >A lot of promos are likely to appear on the market close to their being >issued, because that's when DJs etc. will have them pass through their >hands and hence into the used realm. This is the best time, as a fan, >to buy them, because it's when most are likely to be on the market. I >don't know why it's a slap in the face to sell them now rather than next >week; next month; or next year. Only a finite number of them are being >released onto the second-hand market (guaranteed to passport holders, >not to others). And, again, I don't understand why it is a slap in the >face to sell *this* promo item and not other Hawkwind promo items. They >all ultimately get billed to Hawkwind. > >You could actually successfully make the argument that those being sold >on eBay are acting as promos for the band, though. Everyone that sees >that auction now knows there is a new Hawkwind album coming out, which >is the primary function of the promo (to create awareness). EBay is a >huge market, so, arguably, this is exposing the upcoming album to more >pairs of eyes that just sending them to passport holders (who presumably >know already there is a new album coming out). You may personally >consider selling these promos as the act of an evil-doer, but it's not >all downside. Plus, fans are likely to pay less through eBay, as they >don't necessarily have to finance the markup that "Collectibles" dealers >add on as finders fees/overheads, etc. > > > I don't think a true HW fan would even sell theirs. Were these other >promos, > > collectors have bought given out by the band? > >In a way, yes. They weren't sent directly to fans, like this one, but, >unless Hawkwind had radically different contracts with their record >companies, these promos would ultimately be billed to the band. Things >like advances, studio time, promotion, etc., are not free. They are >recouped by the record company from sales. Nowadays, Hawkwind are more >of a homebrew outfit, because they lack a major label contract (so far >as I know), so grass roots efforts like the current promo dissemination >are more likely and more sensible for successful promotion of the new >album. You may categorise it as a "gift to fans," but it is also >fundamentally a promotional tool. (If it were truly a gift, it would >not have strings attached. Let's be accurate here.) > >I don't want to get into the "true HW fan" argument, because there's far >too much zealotry swirling around the world nowadays as it is, and it >leaves a bad taste in my mouth. > > > Did I miss something or maybe > > its back in the olden days before I was a fan. I may be mistaken, but >its > > free for the asking via the HW website. > >Sure, it's free for the asking (assuming you know to do so, and, I >guess, are online); it's only guaranteed to passport holders. Only a >finite number will be distributed, leading to an inevitable market for >them. > > > Selling it is making money on the > > band. Its BOLLOCKS!!!!! > >I agree. I'm just confused that this outrage has not surfaced before >when previous promos have been sold. > > > Same as selling boots. If one was to use it for > > charity as Colin has, then why not do it as a raffle at a gig? It would > > probably generate a better response. Selling it is wrong, and I think >any > > fan who does it should be shot in the head. > >Shooting people in the head for selling a promo sounds a little extreme >to me. I hope you're not suggesting we shoot Colin in the head. :-) > > > If your not a collector, that > > doesn't give you the right to sell. Its illegal!! See you in court. > >Why is it okay if you're a collector? (What makes someone a collector, >anyway?) I agree about the illegality (or at least prohibition), what >with the "For promotional use only. Not for sale." and all printed >clearly. But this is printed clearly on all the Hawkwind promos that >have ever been issued down through the years, and I've never heard the >Thought Police come out saying people should be shot in the head for >selling those in the past. > >I guess I'm just confused about all the fuss over this particular promo >being sold and not the others, which are also labelled as not for sale >and ultimately paid for by the band. But, I guess I should shut up >about it for fear of jeopardising my chances of getting one myself (I'm >not a passport holder, so I have to throw in my lot with all the other >leftover lottery punters)... ;-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. >-- >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 27 05:48:30 2005 From: anne_aesthetic at HOTMAIL.COM (Simon) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:48:30 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:33:50 EDT, Mick Davis wrote: >hey stephe- a woman after my own heart- marry me? lol If she did, you'd get a surprise :) From dplaw at IC24.NET Sat Aug 27 06:20:47 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:20:47 -0400 Subject: SOTA - one last push! Message-ID: just to let you know that SOTA once more tops the Amazon pre release charts, CD 1 is at 1 and CD 2 at 3!! we are getting very near the "moment of truth" i.e - has all our hard work been worth it, so come on lets give it one last push in this final week before the charts are out, we do have tough opposition as far as new releases go some of which i listed a few days ago but also I see Gwen Stefani + Gorillaz also release new product on Monday! this time next week we will have done all that we can but in the preceding week try to round up as many stragglers as possible, seeing as it's all pre order so far I'd expect the mid week placing's to be very strong but we now need a "second wave" of orders coming through that hopefully can sustain a healthy position till when the charts are compiled. good luck and lets make this happen! regards Dave From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Sat Aug 27 08:04:44 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (SUBSCRIBE BOC-L Anonymous) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:04:44 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: LOL!!! I'm not gay. Or a woman. Cheers Stephe ---- Mick Davis wrote: > hey stephe- a woman after my own heart- marry me? lol From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 09:00:48 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:00:48 EDT Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: here here ! From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Aug 27 08:52:00 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:52:00 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Yet from my experience, they rarely seem to actually give them away either. But the used cd stores always seem to have "used" copies of promo albums for sale (oddly enough,still sealed!). Coincidence...I think not. tim 8>)>>> Stephe wrote: Record stores don't sell > promo's. Maybe they should, but they'd get prosecuted. Its illegal. Read > whats on the cd!!! From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 09:29:36 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:29:36 EDT Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: ooops ! From pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Aug 27 10:28:26 2005 From: pamwheaton at EARTHLINK.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:28:26 -0600 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pete: I'll take it! Pam pete howe wrote: > O.K....IVE BEEN SENT 2 COPIES...IM NOT SELLING THE SPARE ONE TO MAKE > MONEY,LIKE ONE OF THE EBAY SELLERS... ITS NOT IN MY NATURE...AND IM NOT > GOING TO HANG ONTO IT FOR 5 YEARS AND THEN SELL IT, IM GOING TO DO > WHAT IT > SAYS ON THE HAWKWIND WEBSITE..PASS IT ON!!!SO,IF ANY ONE WANTS MY SPARE > COPY, WITH STICKERS ETC, LET ME KNOW,AND I'LL SEND IT ON....I'LL EVEN PAY > FOR THE DARN POSTAGE,(as hawkwind had to)!!!(uk only please, > though!)IF YOU > WANT TO SELL IT,AFTER THAT, THATS UP TO YOU AND YOUR CONSCIENCE! > Maybe,next time, Hawkwind should charge for these free items...then > no-one would be making money,except maybe,and rightly, hawkwind and the > record company... and also, only real fans would buy them, not greedy > money > makers. > Pete > p.s.-im glad to see that Rik & HW management are taking steps to cancel > passports of fans selling these free items that are hot off the press. > From MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 10:28:03 2005 From: MICKYMOOCHER at AOL.COM (Mick Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:28:03 EDT Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: i got sent 3! so 2 spare if needed- not for re- sale though! ha ha From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Sat Aug 27 10:35:07 2005 From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:35:07 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Also worth noting, folks, that if you can't get hold of a copy of the promo CD, the interview is now online on the TMTYL countdown microsite at: http://hawkwind.moonfruit.com/ (click 'Listen'). Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Davis" To: Sent: 27 August 2005 15:28 Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > i got sent 3! so 2 spare if needed- not for re- sale though! ha ha > From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Aug 27 11:38:29 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:38:29 +0000 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: <4310788A.2000301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Pam. sorry..i had to do first come, first served...and ive posted it off to someone from the BOC-L list. best wishes pete >From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:28:26 -0600 > >Pete: >I'll take it! >Pam > > >pete howe wrote: > >>O.K....IVE BEEN SENT 2 COPIES...IM NOT SELLING THE SPARE ONE TO MAKE >>MONEY,LIKE ONE OF THE EBAY SELLERS... ITS NOT IN MY NATURE...AND IM NOT >>GOING TO HANG ONTO IT FOR 5 YEARS AND THEN SELL IT, IM GOING TO DO >>WHAT IT >>SAYS ON THE HAWKWIND WEBSITE..PASS IT ON!!!SO,IF ANY ONE WANTS MY SPARE >>COPY, WITH STICKERS ETC, LET ME KNOW,AND I'LL SEND IT ON....I'LL EVEN PAY >>FOR THE DARN POSTAGE,(as hawkwind had to)!!!(uk only please, >>though!)IF YOU >>WANT TO SELL IT,AFTER THAT, THATS UP TO YOU AND YOUR CONSCIENCE! >> Maybe,next time, Hawkwind should charge for these free items...then >>no-one would be making money,except maybe,and rightly, hawkwind and the >>record company... and also, only real fans would buy them, not greedy >>money >>makers. >> Pete >>p.s.-im glad to see that Rik & HW management are taking steps to cancel >>passports of fans selling these free items that are hot off the press. >> _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Aug 27 14:25:39 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (HW) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:25:39 -0400 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Or colin. On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:16:40 -0400, Mick Davis wrote: >yet another money grabber selling their promo cd on e-bay! a chris sutton >or something- seem to be all named chris! From Dudeofebay at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 16:47:24 2005 From: Dudeofebay at AOL.COM (Josh Schwartz) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:47:24 EDT Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: I just received my promo today out here in California, and am listening to it now. The updated version of Spirit sound interesting so far. Thank you Hawkwind for the generous gift! -Josh From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Aug 27 17:47:30 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:47:30 +0100 Subject: Robert Calvert play staged in London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Jerry Kranitz wrote: > [posted on behalf of Knut Gerwers] > > Hello all, > I've just received the news, that the Calvert play > > The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam?s Dice > > will be staged in London - at the same theatre (Pentameters Theatre) > where it was premiered in 1976. > Running from Tuesday 23rd August to Saturday 10th September 2005 > Pentameters Theatre, The Three Horseshoes, 28 Heath Street, London NW3 6TE > Tuesday to Saturday 8.00pm (no show Sunday and Monday) > Nearest tube ? Hampstead (Northern Line) Buses 268, 46 > Tickets ?10. ?8 concs. Box Office : 0207 4353648 This may be terrible but I'm going to have to go and see. Anyone else interested? Yours all, Jon ObCD: ST37 - _Spaceage_ -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From dplaw at IC24.NET Sat Aug 27 17:59:40 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:59:40 -0400 Subject: SOTA - one last push! Message-ID: Hey, well done folks we're back on top of the pre release charts at 1+2 respectively!! great stuff, keep it up regards Dave On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:20:47 -0400, Dave Law wrote: >just to let you know that SOTA once more tops the Amazon pre release charts, >CD 1 is at 1 and CD 2 at 3!! > >we are getting very near the "moment of truth" i.e - has all our hard work >been worth it, so come on lets give it one last push in this final week >before the charts are out, we do have tough opposition as far as new >releases go some of which i listed a few days ago but also I see Gwen >Stefani + Gorillaz also release new product on Monday! > >this time next week we will have done all that we can but in the preceding >week try to round up as many stragglers as possible, seeing as it's all pre >order so far I'd expect the mid week placing's to be very strong but we now >need a "second wave" of orders coming through that hopefully can sustain a >healthy position till when the charts are compiled. > >good luck and lets make this happen! > >regards > >Dave From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 27 20:03:50 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:03:50 EDT Subject: SOTA - one last push! Message-ID: Just got back from seeing a band called "The Sabbath". Passed a load of fliers round to everyone that was there, and was suprised at the response I got and the time I spent talking to people I didn't know because of the name "HAWKWIND" That name carries so much respect for people involved in music... thing is, they do not realise that Hawkwind are still a viable entity. Someone even said that he'd seen the adverts for last years concerts and thought it was a tribute band. I put them all right and told them to get to the HMV shop on Monday. I would have liked you to have been deep frozen too.......... Steve. From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Aug 28 06:29:21 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:29:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations: New Space Rock & Drool Trough Radio shows + Mail Order Goodies Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com August 28, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS + MAIL ORDER GOODIES We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #134) and Drool Trough (show #36). See the playlists below. You can go directly to the Radio shows page at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html NOTE: Last week I added Mp3 as a listening option. Based on the feedback I've received I've added a high bandwidth Mp3 option. So as of today all new radio shows will be available in lo and hi bandwidth Mp3, as well as the RealAudio format I've always offered. Can you Mp3 fans with broadband connections detect a big difference between the lo & hi bandwidth??? Let me know. The hi bandwidth file is pretty huge so I want it to make a difference. Send me your feedback at: jkranitz at aural-innovations.com MAIL ORDER NEWS: New in stock the past couple weeks are two titles from BubbleDubble, a UK Space Rock and Electronic outfit formed by Kev Ellis (Dr Brown), Andy Radburn and Steve Bubble. I've also got the just released Nekropolis 23 DVD featuring a full in studio performance by Peter Frohmader, Chris Karrer (Amon Duul II), Holger Roder, Matthias Friedrich and Udo Gerhards. Fantastic music from these veteran space-prog musicians (PAL format only!). Also in stock are several titles from the September Gurls label, including the LP reissue of The Anomoanon's "Derby Run" CD from 2004, in a numbered edition of 280 and housed in a silkscreened sleeve, as well as some older, but very tasty titles by the Linus Pauling Quartet, SubArachnoid Space, Wobble Jaggle Jiggle, Discolor, and Fit & Limo. I've also got Helios Creed's "On The Dark Side of the Sun", and very nice prices on the first couple Quarkspace CD's. You can go directly to our online store at: http://aural-innovations.com/store Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #134) The Smell of Incense ? ?A Floral Treasury? (excerpt) (from Through the Gates of Deeper Slumber) The Subliminator ? ?Forbidden Fruit? (from Recalibrated) Nog Cavanagh - "Accept This Gift" (from Everything Leads To Here) Tempustry ? ?Space Race? (from Le Voyage du Temps) Fantasyy Factoryy ? ? She? (from Dreams Never Sleep) BubbleDubble ? ?Ursa Minor? (from Glastonbury Assembly Rooms 2004) The Vernon Dent - "Idiotocracy" (from The Vernon Dent) Fit & Limo ? ?Weisse Asche? (from Terra Incognita) Radio Massacre International ? ?Mobile Star Systems? (from Emissaries) Whitelodge ? ?Down the Ladder of Lights Towards the Gate of Erim? (from +) Polytoxicomane Philharmonie ? ?Poisonous Moth? (from Psycho Erectus) Drool Trough (show #36) Drool Trough is an all genres show featuring cool music from the underground. Anything is game for Drool Trough, and from one track to the next you will hear completely different sounds and styles, all from homemade musicians and teeny weeny but ultra fiesty labels. Yesterday's Thoughts - "Someday You?re Gonna Find" (from Let's Take A Ride With ) Jimmy Sparks & the Blizzard ? ?Dear Majesty? (from Jimmy Sparks & the Blizzard) Brian Fowler ? ?Only Minds Are Worth Reading? (from Space Rock 1999-2004) Hundred Hands ? ?A Downtown Scene? (from Her Accent Was Excellent) Tack ? ?Camel Toe? (from I Killed This Bird For You) Joseph A. Malgeri ? ?Ulterior Motive? (from I Bid You Welcome) Junkyard Genius ? ?Dr. Funghoul Does the Psychotronic Boogie? (from Dr. Funghoul?s Magic Medicine Cabinet) Kemialliset Ystavat ? ?Linna? (from Lumottu Karkkipurkki) Paavoharju ? ?Valo Tihkuu Kaiken L?pi? (from Yha Hamaraa) Cerebus Effect ? ?Identity Crisis? (from Acts of Deception) Lords Of Gravity ? ?Lose My Mind? (from Contact) Terramara ? ?Wooden Man? (from Four Blocks to Hennepin) Everything Is Fine ? ?Half Hour? (from Ghosts Are Knocking On Walls) Sonic Pulsar ? ?Burning Inside Me? (from Out of Place) Galactic Anthems ? ?Thunder Lips? (from Before the Drone) HeadQuarters ? ?Tunnel Vision? (from Get Your Head On) Dreamend ? ?Iceland? (from Maybe We?re Making God Sad And Lonely) Caroline ? ?Where?s My Love? (from Where?s My Love CD single) French Teen Idol ? ?Your Fault? (from French Teen Idol) Matthew De Gennaro ? ?Leith Valley Blues? (from Humbled Down) http://Aural-Innovations.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Aug 28 10:15:32 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:15:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: SPAMMER Message-ID: bob75-2-82-67-147-54.fbx.proxad.net you have a BIG surprise coming ! From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 28 12:42:25 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:42:25 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind radio interview tonight on BBC East Message-ID: just to let you know that from a few tentative enquiries I've made it looks like this is a live interview going out between 18.00 - 21.00 tonight, suggest you take a pick of one of the following sites - http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radionorthampton/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/threecounties/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/essex/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiosuffolk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radionorfolk/ 0845 30 50 007 http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiocambridgeshire/ this Sue Marchant seems like she's a real fan (another one in the media) so lets show her just how many Hawkfans there are out there and just how keen and passionate about the band we really are! thanks as ever for your support and help in this matter regards Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 28 12:45:27 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:45:27 -0400 Subject: Times running out! Message-ID: Just to say that the competition at the museum to win tickets to the launch party closes at 18.00 UK time, so hurry up if you want to get your entry in http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/is_proud_to_offer_you_the_chance.htm good luck Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 28 13:22:00 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind radio interview tonight on BBC East Message-ID: you can also get in touch via text - 07786200951 and Sue also has an e-mail address of sue.marchant at bbc.co.uk feel free to do the business! regards Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 28 15:13:26 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:13:26 -0400 Subject: Janice Long and Mark Radcliffe Message-ID: hi all i've been asked by someone "very close" to the band that we might do a shall we say "surgical strike" on tonights Janice Long show, asking for Spirit Of The Age be played on her show! all you needd to do is click on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/long/ and then "contact the show" Mark Radcliffe is not back till Mon or Tues but apparently is "very interested" in this release so suggest a few tentative mails to him would not go amiss either and then we'll hit him good and proper once he's back in the chair, his page is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/radcliffe/ and his e-mail is mark.radcliffe at bbc.co.uk believe me we are making a difference here, people who need to - are taking notice and as the old saying goes - from small acorns do large oak trees grow (well something like that!) regards Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Sun Aug 28 20:26:50 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:50 -0400 Subject: We did it! Message-ID: well done one and all!! just about to turn in for the night (well it is nearly 01.30) and Janice Long plays SOTA, said she - a - liked it b - has been "inundated" with e-mails to play it! (that's you lot) c - we can now stop those e-mails also gave "Off The Tracks" a plug. would suggest we monitor this, if someone can listen tomorrow night and report back as to whether it gets another airing then fine, other wise we'll start "hounding" again. we are now starting to get radio play, albeit limited and at out insistence but it has to help with sales! keep it up regards Dave From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Sun Aug 28 23:17:37 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:17:37 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: test... hawkwind in bergen was great btw ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 29 06:12:03 2005 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (StevePXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 06:12:03 EDT Subject: We did it! Message-ID: In a message dated 29/08/2005 01:29:34 GMT Standard Time, dplaw at IC24.NET writes: well done one and all!! And you too. Give yourself a hearty "pat on the back" and put yourself at the top of the "without whom" list. Then take a holiday :-) Steve. From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Aug 29 07:55:45 2005 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (HAWKWIND) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:55:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) Message-ID: + + +STOP PRESS + + + As several people applied on each of the four sites offering tickets, (naughty !)we had several duplicate entries. Because of this, we now have a small surplus of tickets available for fans that can come to a central London venue between 12 noon - 3pm on September 1st. To enter, please answer the question: 'where is this year's Xmas party?' Please *do not* apply is you previously entered, and *ONLY* apply if you can genuinely make the date and time shown above. ENTER AT: http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + Rik From itop57 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 29 08:08:00 2005 From: itop57 at GMAIL.COM (Ian Topping) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:08:00 -0400 Subject: new single Message-ID: just got back from the toon i got both new singles very very good i am playing one now the live versions of angela android and assassins of allah are the best. From superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Aug 29 10:28:47 2005 From: superskrull666 at YAHOO.CO.UK (Amphetamine Embalmer) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:28:47 -0700 Subject: hawkwind & arthur brown Message-ID: hail...great to hear browns time captains again (with the hawks) on the live in london disc! journeyis an awesome album. listening to the equally awesome s/t kc cd rite now: regards, :-) --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET wrote: > just got back from the toon i got both new singles very very good i am > playing one now the live versions of angela android and assassins of allah > are the best. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Aug 29 10:38:37 2005 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:38:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) Message-ID: Sorry fellas, but I entered all the comps before I read the rules, what with being so eager to win and all!! Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "HAWKWIND" To: Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) >+ + +STOP PRESS + + + > > As several people applied on each of the four sites offering tickets, > (naughty !)we had several duplicate entries. Because of this, we now have > a > small surplus of tickets available for fans that can come to a central > London venue between 12 noon - 3pm on September 1st. > To enter, please answer the question: 'where is this year's Xmas party?' > Please *do not* apply is you previously entered, and *ONLY* apply if you > can genuinely make the date and time shown above. > > ENTER AT: > http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm > > ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + > > Rik > > __________ NOD32 1.1203 (20050827) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From itop57 at GMAIL.COM Mon Aug 29 11:11:55 2005 From: itop57 at GMAIL.COM (itop) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:11:55 +0100 Subject: hawkwind & arthur brown In-Reply-To: <20050829142847.41784.qmail@web26505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: time captains on the dvd out of the shadows is awesome to. On 8/29/05, Amphetamine Embalmer wrote: > > hail...great to hear browns time captains again (with > the hawks) on the live in london disc! journeyis an > awesome album. listening to the equally awesome s/t kc > cd rite now: regards, :-) > --- BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > wrote: > > just got back from the toon i got both new singles > very very good i am > > playing one now the live versions of angela > android and assassins of allah > > are the best. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- work is the curse of the thinking class From mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK Mon Aug 29 13:37:40 2005 From: mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK (Mark Painter) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:37:40 +0100 Subject: Dave's Interview on BCRfm Message-ID: Hi Everyone Many people have now asked me for a copy of my interview with Dave on MP3. It's around 7Mb long and I know that a lot of ISPs struggle with getting mail that big. If you CAN recieve such a big file by email, let me know again, and I will email it to you. If not, don't despair, it will be available for download from a web site soon.. Cheers Mark (Who is STILL star struck after talking to Dave!) From eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Aug 29 18:30:15 2005 From: eddiejobson at HOTMAIL.COM (eddie jobson) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:30:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) Message-ID: I won with the choice of 1 or 2 tickets. If anyone unsuccessful would like my 2nd ticket and come along get in touch, first come first served. If I get no takers by tomorrow lunchtime I will respond to Kris saying just one ticket is required. Eddie. >From: Mark Storer >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:38:37 +0100 > >Sorry fellas, >but I entered all the comps before I read the rules, >what with being so eager to win and all!! > >Mark. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "HAWKWIND" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:55 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Launch Party Comp (extension) > > >>+ + +STOP PRESS + + + >> >>As several people applied on each of the four sites offering tickets, >>(naughty !)we had several duplicate entries. Because of this, we now have >>a >>small surplus of tickets available for fans that can come to a central >>London venue between 12 noon - 3pm on September 1st. >>To enter, please answer the question: 'where is this year's Xmas party?' >>Please *do not* apply is you previously entered, and *ONLY* apply if you >>can genuinely make the date and time shown above. >> >>ENTER AT: >>http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm >> >>++ + MESSAGE ENDS + + + + + >> >>Rik >> >>__________ NOD32 1.1203 (20050827) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Aug 29 17:58:57 2005 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:58:57 -0400 Subject: Dave's Interview on BCRfm Message-ID: Hi Mark If you could send me the file I would appreciate it. Please send it to me at . Many thanks tim 8>)... Mark Painter wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > Many people have now asked me for a copy of my interview with Dave on MP3. > It's around 7Mb long and I know that a lot of ISPs struggle with getting mail > that big. > > If you CAN recieve such a big file by email, let me know again, and I will email > it to you. > If not, don't despair, it will be available for download from a web site soon.. > > Cheers > > Mark > (Who is STILL star struck after talking to Dave!) From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 29 21:17:12 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:17:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Forthcoming release Message-ID: Will this be available to mail order retail? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: HW To: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Forthcoming release > + +++ STAR WARRIORS ++ ++ ++ > > In addition to 'Take Me To Your Leader' > we will be releasing a 2cd album of the > Hawkwind set at Hawkfest 2003 titled > 'FESTIVAL NIGHTS' > > More news of a decision on Hawkfest 2005 > coming soon............. > > News will be released on Mission Control ASAP. > > The Bergen set was professionally filmed, and > recorded in 24 track audio. This should make a > DVD release in the not too distant future. > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + + > > www.hawkwind.com From deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM Mon Aug 29 21:21:12 2005 From: deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM (Cyberkrel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:12 +0100 Subject: HW: TMTYL +DVD Message-ID: Yes - and CD Services will not see a single copy - how fantastic is that!! Between the label and the band, right now, I feel like I've been squarely kicked in the teeth - the first time I've felt that way in 26 years of selling Hawkwind CD's - and that's all I'm going to say on the subject. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL +DVD > + ++ ++ +STAR WARRIORS ++ ++ > > The first 2000 copies of our new studio album will > include an exclusive DVD containing rare & behind the scenes > footage > > Full details soon on Mission Control: > www.hawkwind.com > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + ++ + From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Aug 30 04:37:28 2005 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:37:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Spacious Mind in North Carolina and New York City Message-ID: Swedish Space-Psych ensemble The Spacious Mind will be performing at the Progday festival this Saturday, September 3rd, at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Now in it's 11th year, Progday is a 2 day event featuring all kinds of Progressive Rock and loosely related bands. For more information visit www.progday.com Here's the announcement from the folks hosting The Spacious Mind TOMORROW NIGHT in New York City. Any questions email them at stridernews at hotmail.com THE SPACIOUS MIND SWEDISH PRACTITIONERS OF PSYCHEDELIC SPACEROCK AURAL DELIGHTS WHEN: WEDS. AUG 31 SPACIOUS MIND 11:15 AMERICANS 10:30 CIRCLE CHARIOTEER 9:45 GREG D 9PM $5 COVER CHARGE WHERE: LIT LOUNGE 93 2ND AVE . NYC BET 5TH AND 6TH ST. TEL: 212-777-7987 DIRECTIONS: DIRECTIONS BY SUBWAY: GET OFF AT THE 2ND AVE. STOP. WALK NORTH ON 2ND AVE. PAST THE 5TH ST. CORNER. LIT IS ON YOUR LEFT, HALF WAY UP THE BLOCK. GET OFF AT ASTOR PLACE STOP. WALK EAST TO ST. MARK'S PLACE, CONTINUE EAST. MAKE A RIGHT TURN AT 2ND AVE. LIT IS ON YOUR RIGHT, BET 5TH AND 6TH ST. THIS SHOULD BE A VERY FUN TIME AND MOST EXPANDING FOR YOUR SENSES!!! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Aug 30 05:43:13 2005 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:43:13 +0100 Subject: HW: single & Calvert Hendrix play Message-ID: News from this fan: HMV Cambridge didn't have the single yesterday, though they acknowledged it was out, but that a lot of their stock was late; I'll try again today. as for _The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice_, it seems as if I and Kirsten will be going on Wednesday night, because I'll be in London for work and can claim my train ticket as expenses :-) I'll post a review to the list obviously, but I shan't be able to take any pictures. That is all for now. Gosh, isn't it a busy time all of a sudden? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett "There is scarce any tradition or popular error Birkbeck College but stands also delivered by some good author." London (Sir Thomas Browne, "Pseudodoxia Epidemica", 1646) From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 30 05:41:35 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:41:35 +0400 Subject: HW: TMTYL +DVD Message-ID: Oh?.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL +DVD > Yes - and CD Services will not see a single copy - how fantastic is that!! > Between the label and the band, right now, I feel like I've been squarely > kicked in the teeth - the first time I've felt that way in 26 years of > selling Hawkwind CD's - and that's all I'm going to say on the subject. > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rik Rx > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: HW: TMTYL +DVD > > > > + ++ ++ +STAR WARRIORS ++ ++ > > > > The first 2000 copies of our new studio album will > > include an exclusive DVD containing rare & behind the scenes > > footage > > > > Full details soon on Mission Control: > > www.hawkwind.com > > > > + ++ + MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + ++ + > From coral at APORT.RU Tue Aug 30 05:46:27 2005 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:46:27 +0400 Subject: HW: Forthcoming release Message-ID: I hope it will be available to buy from Amazon for example?.. Not only for Passport holders?.. Where the DVD from Bergen will be released, on VP? By the way, Enslaved who played on the same day at Bergen also release their dvd soon. Alisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberkrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 AM Subject: Re: HW: Forthcoming release > Will this be available to mail order retail? > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HW > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Forthcoming release > > > > + +++ STAR WARRIORS ++ ++ ++ > > > > In addition to 'Take Me To Your Leader' > > we will be releasing a 2cd album of the > > Hawkwind set at Hawkfest 2003 titled > > 'FESTIVAL NIGHTS' > > > > More news of a decision on Hawkfest 2005 > > coming soon............. > > > > News will be released on Mission Control ASAP. > > > > The Bergen set was professionally filmed, and > > recorded in 24 track audio. This should make a > > DVD release in the not too distant future. > > > > ++ MESSAGE ENDS + ++ + + + > > > > www.hawkwind.com > From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Aug 30 05:59:09 2005 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (CWarburton at OAG.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:59:09 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 26 Aug 2005 to 27 Aug 2005 (#2005-223) Message-ID: Not this Chris !!! Cheers ChrisW > > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:16:40 -0400 > From: Mick Davis > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > yet another money grabber selling their promo cd on e-bay! a > chris sutton or something- seem to be all named chris! > > ------------------------------ NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the named recipient(s). It may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not one of the intended recipients, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail and attachment(s): you must not copy, distribute, retain or take any action in reliance upon the email or attachment(s). While all reasonable efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, OAG Worldwide Ltd and its affiliate companies cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or are compatible with your systems, and does not accept liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. Thank you. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Aug 30 10:04:12 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:04:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Litmus Gig Message-ID: Just to remind you that Litmus are playing at the Telegraph in Brixton this Thursday (1st September). They are onstage at 9:45pm for a 45 minute set; doors are at 7:30pm. Address: 228 Brixton Hill London SW2 1HE www.thebrixtontelegraph.co.uk In order to get in, anyone coming should print off a flyer from: http://www.litmusmusic.co.uk/graphics/Litmus%20Flyer%20010905.doc There is plenty of local parking. Colin From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Aug 30 10:26:57 2005 From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:26:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Litmus Gig In-Reply-To: <004501c5ad6b$b3b38600$b8c14354@HOMEO4UEXO5OLZ> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Colin Allen wrote: :Subject: HW: Litmus Gig : :Just to remind you that Litmus are playing at the Telegraph in Brixton :this Thursday (1st September). They are onstage at 9:45pm for a 45 :minute set; doors are at 7:30pm. : :Address: : :228 Brixton Hill :London SW2 1HE :www.thebrixtontelegraph.co.uk : :In order to get in, anyone coming should print off a flyer from: :http://www.litmusmusic.co.uk/graphics/Litmus%20Flyer%20010905.doc : :There is plenty of local parking. Hey Colin....could you start labelling these as OFF? As much as I like 'em, Litmus aren't HW or a HW spinoff, so notices should likely be labelled as OFF for those of us who are filtering... Just my 2 cents. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Assistant Director/ENSS University of Chicago/NSIT/ENSS tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #418 Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Aug 30 12:41:14 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:41:14 -0400 Subject: we're nearly there Message-ID: just a quick reminder to all of you who are supporting the Chart Trek campaign, that we really need to "bombard"Janice Long once more on her show tonight, just click on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/long/furtherinfo.shtml and follow the "Contact the show" link also of interest is that whilst (unfortunately) Mark Radcliff is still on his hols i note that Thursdays show is being billed as "A request show" don't think i need to say anymore, the e-mail you need is mark.radcliffe at bbc.co.uk self explanatory that one! i fully intend to disappear for a while once this campaign is done, whilst being great fun it's also been incredibly draining both on time and myself in general so i feel i need a rest, that also equals me not forever posting to this list ;-) regards for now Dave From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Aug 30 12:56:45 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:56:45 +0100 Subject: we're nearly there Message-ID: Done - on both counts Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Law" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: we're nearly there > just a quick reminder to all of you who are supporting the Chart Trek > campaign, that we really need to "bombard"Janice Long once more on her show > tonight, just click on > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/long/furtherinfo.shtml > and follow the "Contact the show" link > > also of interest is that whilst (unfortunately) Mark Radcliff is still on > his hols i note that Thursdays show is being billed as "A request show" > don't think i need to say anymore, the e-mail you need is > mark.radcliffe at bbc.co.uk > > self explanatory that one! > > i fully intend to disappear for a while once this campaign is done, whilst > being great fun it's also been incredibly draining both on time and myself > in general so i feel i need a rest, that also equals me not forever posting > to this list ;-) > > regards for now > > Dave > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29/08/2005 From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Aug 30 14:04:32 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:04:32 +0100 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon In-Reply-To: <001601c5ad83$ce0ac320$6501a8c0@neildf262e81ac> Message-ID: Hi, Just checked my Amazon account - my SOTA CD singles are now only expected to arrive on 5-6th September (yesterday they advised 3rd Sep) even though I ordered them weeks ago - will they still count in the chart? My HMV order has been dispatched though. Heh - Maybe Amazon have sold out of their initial stock! Mick ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET Tue Aug 30 14:46:19 2005 From: lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET (Stephe) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:46:19 -0400 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon Message-ID: I got the same thing and I ordered them the minute they were announced. Do you think they really sold out that quick? Cheers Stephe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Crook" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: HW SOTA and Amazon > Hi, > > Just checked my Amazon account - my SOTA CD singles > are now only expected to arrive on 5-6th September > (yesterday they advised 3rd Sep) even though I ordered > them weeks ago - will they still count in the chart? > > My HMV order has been dispatched though. > > Heh - Maybe Amazon have sold out of their initial > stock! > > Mick > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Aug 30 15:00:15 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:00:15 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons on MySpace Message-ID: The Surgeons have a new page on myspace. Check it out: http://www.myspace.com/brainsurgeons Also, on the Cellsum site they say the new album "Denial of Death" is being mixed right now by Paul Special. Maybe we'll get to hear a preview clip from the new album on myspace soon. Brian From sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Aug 30 15:02:15 2005 From: sunboxhouse at HOTMAIL.COM (pete howe) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:02:15 +0000 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon In-Reply-To: <003601c5ad93$1c940e70$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: what i did notice is the price difference, too!?3.99 at amazon and ?1.99 at HMV..so i cancelled my cd singles order with amazon(being a hard up struggling musician that i am!) and ordered from HMV instead..and theyve despatched them today.My TMTYL order is still with Amazon, because of the dvd-s.e., but im worried now...!!!! I also won 2 tickets to the presentation event in london on thursday...couldnt believe it..first time ive won anything in 20 odd years! pete :-) >From: Stephe >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET >Subject: Re: HW SOTA and Amazon >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:46:19 -0400 > >I got the same thing and I ordered them the minute they were announced. Do >you think they really sold out that quick? Cheers Stephe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Crook" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:04 PM >Subject: Re: HW SOTA and Amazon > > >>Hi, >> >>Just checked my Amazon account - my SOTA CD singles >>are now only expected to arrive on 5-6th September >>(yesterday they advised 3rd Sep) even though I ordered >>them weeks ago - will they still count in the chart? >> >>My HMV order has been dispatched though. >> >>Heh - Maybe Amazon have sold out of their initial >>stock! >> >>Mick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >>To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new >>Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Aug 30 15:09:43 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:43 +0100 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon In-Reply-To: <003601c5ad93$1c940e70$b63feb44@amyandstephe> Message-ID: I don't know - I just had a look at the "Hot 100 CD Singles - The CD singles that Amazon.co.uk customers couldn't live without in the last 24 hours. Updated hourly" page and CD1 was at 28 and CD2 was 43 with the comment - usually dispatched in 2-3 days whereas many have within 24hrs. Personally I reckon most people just want to walk into a store and pick up a single - If I hear something I like on the radio (very rare!) I check out the store rather than order on line. Being positive after all the hard work Dave's put into chart trek - what happens if the single makes the top 20 (alright then top 10!) in the uk? All the stores I know in the UK from HMV to Woolies have the all the top 40 on display - I sure hope there isn't a big hole on the shelf where Spirit of the Age should be!! Mick --- Stephe wrote: > I got the same thing and I ordered them the minute > they were announced. Do > you think they really sold out that quick? Cheers > Stephe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Crook" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: HW SOTA and Amazon > > > > Hi, > > > > Just checked my Amazon account - my SOTA CD > singles > > are now only expected to arrive on 5-6th September > > (yesterday they advised 3rd Sep) even though I > ordered > > them weeks ago - will they still count in the > chart? > > > > My HMV order has been dispatched though. > > > > Heh - Maybe Amazon have sold out of their initial > > stock! > > > > Mick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've > developed the all new > > Yahoo! Security Centre. > http://uk.security.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From dplaw at IC24.NET Tue Aug 30 15:38:22 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:38:22 -0400 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon Message-ID: well thanks firstly for your kind words Mick i think it's fair to say that this has been a huge learning curve for all concerned. i myself have no experience of putting together such a campaign, Voiceprint are not a singles label and Hawkwind are not exactly standard pop fodder but between us i don't think we've done too bad a job. i really hope that this Amazon thing dosen't scupper the whole thing but if there is problems then we need to try to learn from them. also one of the problems these days is that whilst there is still a definative chart, the one that's broadcast on Radio 1 on a Sunday afternoon i think you'll find that a lot of stores such as woolworths have their "own" which would probably choose to exclude Hawkwind as they don't fit into the particualr "demograph" that the companies looking for! (sarcastic head on at the moment) if i find out anything further i will of course pass it on but i think all we can do is just sit tight for now regards Dave On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:43 +0100, Michael Crook wrote: >I don't know - I just had a look at the "Hot 100 CD >Singles - The CD singles that Amazon.co.uk customers >couldn't live without in the last 24 hours. Updated >hourly" page and CD1 was at 28 and CD2 was 43 with the >comment - usually dispatched in 2-3 days whereas many >have within 24hrs. >Personally I reckon most people just want to walk into >a store and pick up a single - If I hear something I >like on the radio (very rare!) I check out the store >rather than order on line. >Being positive after all the hard work Dave's put into >chart trek - what happens if the single makes the top >20 (alright then top 10!) in the uk? All the stores I >know in the UK from HMV to Woolies have the all the >top 40 on display - I sure hope there isn't a big hole >on the shelf where Spirit of the Age should be!! > >Mick From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Aug 30 16:53:47 2005 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:47 +0100 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave - Experience or not, I don't think anyone could do any better - as others on the list have already said - well done mate - you're doing a fantastic job of promoting Hawkwind!! Mick --- Dave Law wrote: > well thanks firstly for your kind words Mick > > i think it's fair to say that this has been a huge > learning curve for all > concerned. > > i myself have no experience of putting together such > a campaign, Voiceprint > are not a singles label and Hawkwind are not exactly > standard pop fodder but > between us i don't think we've done too bad a job. > > i really hope that this Amazon thing dosen't scupper > the whole thing but if > there is problems then we need to try to learn from > them. > > also one of the problems these days is that whilst > there is still a > definative chart, the one that's broadcast on Radio > 1 on a Sunday afternoon > i think you'll find that a lot of stores such as > woolworths have their "own" > which would probably choose to exclude Hawkwind as > they don't fit into the > particualr "demograph" that the companies looking > for! (sarcastic head on at > the moment) > > if i find out anything further i will of course pass > it on but i think all > we can do is just sit tight for now > > regards > > Dave > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:43 +0100, Michael Crook > wrote: > > >I don't know - I just had a look at the "Hot 100 CD > >Singles - The CD singles that Amazon.co.uk > customers > >couldn't live without in the last 24 hours. Updated > >hourly" page and CD1 was at 28 and CD2 was 43 with > the > >comment - usually dispatched in 2-3 days whereas > many > >have within 24hrs. > >Personally I reckon most people just want to walk > into > >a store and pick up a single - If I hear something > I > >like on the radio (very rare!) I check out the > store > >rather than order on line. > >Being positive after all the hard work Dave's put > into > >chart trek - what happens if the single makes the > top > >20 (alright then top 10!) in the uk? All the stores > I > >know in the UK from HMV to Woolies have the all the > >top 40 on display - I sure hope there isn't a big > hole > >on the shelf where Spirit of the Age should be!! > > > >Mick > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Aug 30 18:40:16 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:40:16 +0100 Subject: HW: nothing particular Message-ID: Don't know how many on this list are from the New Orleans area - and I realise those that are won't be reading this - but I hope that everyone is safe and that all damage is repairable. Did Hawkwind ever get far enough south to play New Orleans on their American tours? It's a place I always thought would be interesting to visit because of its musical heritage and history but I guess that won't be possible for a while now 8-( Good luck to everyone under the shadow of the storm and I hope it clears soon. The remnants will probably wander over to the UK in a week or so but hopefully not until after Off The Tracks! So enjoy the Festival everyone and the launch event. And since I can't be there - send reports! jill ====================================== Jill Strobridge ====================================== From neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Aug 30 18:49:21 2005 From: neiltoyne at NTLWORLD.COM (Neil Toyne) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:49:21 +0100 Subject: nothing particular Message-ID: I second that, hope everyone comes through OK. Sorry that you're not going, I'll post a report ASAP - or when this rather large grin fades a tad!! Is there anyone in the North East (Newcastle/Middlesbrough?Darlington area) that requires a lift - or even anyone on the A1 route south (by the way, what are the locals like that far south?)? Cheers, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: HW: nothing particular > Don't know how many on this list are from the New Orleans area - > and I realise those that are won't be reading this - but I hope > that everyone is safe and that all damage is repairable. Did > Hawkwind ever get far enough south to play New Orleans on their > American tours? It's a place I always thought would be interesting > to visit because of its musical heritage and history but I guess > that won't be possible for a while now 8-( Good luck to > everyone under the shadow of the storm and I hope it clears soon. > The remnants will probably wander over to the UK in a week or so > but hopefully not until after Off The Tracks! So enjoy the > Festival everyone and the launch event. And since I can't be > there - send reports! > > jill > ====================================== > Jill Strobridge > ====================================== > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Wed Aug 31 03:55:20 2005 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:55:20 -0400 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon Message-ID: I'd like to echo those sentiments - fingers crossed it works out. I've also been fortunate to be invited to the launch tomorrow so hope to see some of you there - I'm the one who is a bit of a Rory McGrath lookalike..... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:47 +0100, Michael Crook wrote: >Dave - Experience or not, I don't think anyone could >do any better - as others on the list have already >said - well done mate - you're doing a fantastic job >of promoting Hawkwind!! > >Mick From mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK Wed Aug 31 05:28:22 2005 From: mpainter at BCRFM.CO.UK (Mark Painter) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:28:22 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Aug 2005 to 31 Aug 2005 (#2005-227) Message-ID: > what i did notice is the price difference, too!?3.99 at amazon and ?1.99 > at > HMV..so i cancelled my cd singles order with amazon(being a hard up > struggling musician that i am!) and ordered from HMV instead..and theyve > despatched them today.My TMTYL order is still with Amazon, because of the > dvd-s.e., but im worried now...!!!! I am exactly the same - except having cancelled the singles order with Amazon as they won't be here till next week, my HMV order says that they are still waiting for them from the suppliers... D'ohhhhhhh! If they don't supply them this week, it's unlikely that the singles will make the chart.. Mark From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 31 10:05:42 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:05:42 -0400 Subject: HW SOTA and Amazon Message-ID: i think it's a case of "panic over" just recieved a message from Amazon saying my order for SOTA has been shipped!! so come on we're nearly there and this has given me renewed enthusiasm, get out there and persuede a few more that they don't just want this single they "NEED" it! cheers Dave On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:55:20 -0400, Ted wrote: >I'd like to echo those sentiments - fingers crossed it works out. > >I've also been fortunate to be invited to the launch tomorrow so hope to >see some of you there - I'm the one who is a bit of a Rory McGrath >lookalike..... > >On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:53:47 +0100, Michael Crook >wrote: > >>Dave - Experience or not, I don't think anyone could >>do any better - as others on the list have already >>said - well done mate - you're doing a fantastic job >>of promoting Hawkwind!! >> >>Mick From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 31 10:48:25 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:48:25 -0400 Subject: Janice Long (again) Message-ID: ok time for yet another surgical strike on the show! some of you will have already read instructions on another list but here's what i want you to do basically do what you've been doing, i.e requesting the song but what some of you might want to do is ask that Janice also plays "Paradox", you've brought the single and this is also "brilliant" etc, etc my thinking here is that whilst it's great hearing Hawkwind on the radio we are in escence trying to get others to buy it so there may be some who are not bothered by SOTA but might connect with Paradox! the link you need is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/long/contact.shtml so come on give it a go but please not all at once, we need a steady flow of communication rather than a big hit. one last thing for now, please feel free to make your own suggestions on how we can further promote the single, all donations greatly accepted ;-) cheers Dave From dplaw at IC24.NET Wed Aug 31 11:39:52 2005 From: dplaw at IC24.NET (Dave Law) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:39:52 -0400 Subject: A date for your diary Message-ID: don't forget that there's an interview with Dave scheduled for tonight on http://www.wfmradio.org/index.asp (click on "Listen Live") i think it's due for 21.00 UK time so get some questions in, mention the single and album, chart trek etc and lets continue "spreading the word" regards Dave From sloterdijk at MSN.COM Wed Aug 31 12:51:25 2005 From: sloterdijk at MSN.COM (Burro Mike) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:51:25 +0000 Subject: Assassins and Sloterdijk New York gig: 9/17 ( some more information ) Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just checked The Baggot Inn website regarding the upcoming AOS/Sloterdijk gig in New York on Saturday, September 17th..Apparently, the venue has booked the show under the band name of SLOTERDIJK..We had nothing to do with this billing. As was stated about 2 months ago, the actual name that would appear on the bill has been ambiguous since the original booking. One of the conditions of the booking was that the venue would be able to choose what name they wanted ( out of a possible three ). Interstingly enough, if you click the link on the venue calendar for SLOTERDIJK, it will actually take you to the ASSASSINS OF SILENCE website. In any case this gig is a go, and should be a stormer. If you visit http://www.baggotinn.com you can click on the calendar of events, then go to the bottom of the page and skip ahead to the month of September. Obviously, tomorrow, you won't have to do this because it will be September!!! Have a look at the site and click on the links for the other bands. You'll see that the 'Occasional Rescuedos' are also from The UK. Here's hoping to see some of you there, as it's only a bit more than 2 weeks away now. Below are the times and names of the bands, but you'll have to go to the website URL above to be able to click on the links etc. Peace, Mike Burro 8 Dave Bowler & friends 9:30 SLOTERDIJK (Hawkwind tribute) 11 Occasional Rascuedos (UK) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 31 16:09:08 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:09:08 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:19 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > >>Mike Sez: > > >> I like a good argument as much as the next guy > > >Provided of course that the next guy is Ghengis Khan... > Anyone got a copy of 'Man Management Skills' by Atilla the Hun? I always liked Macnamara's "Hearts and Minds" quip during the Vietnam War: "Get them by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow." FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 31 16:16:57 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:16:57 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Mick Davis's message of Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: Mick Davis writes: > yet another money grabber selling their promo cd on e-bay! a chris sutton > or something- seem to be all named chris! I used to trade with him a lot in the old days. He's a very longtime fan. FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 31 16:34:04 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:34:04 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: A much misunderstood, and misquoted, man is Mr McNamara. It was actually General Westmoreland who said that; McNamara would have fundamentally disagreed. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > Maxine Wesley writes: > > > >>Mike Sez: > > > > >> I like a good argument as much as the next guy > > > > >Provided of course that the next guy is Ghengis Khan... > > > Anyone got a copy of 'Man Management Skills' by Atilla the Hun? > > I always liked Macnamara's "Hearts and Minds" quip during the Vietnam > War: > > "Get them by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow." > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 31 16:38:44 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:38:44 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Lots of fans, including some Kollectors on this list, have bought > Hawkwind promos in their time. Guilty as charged M'lud and I'd like several other charges taken into account. In fact had I not paid a large sum to a certain person for the Brian Matthews BBC Transcription Disc (still AFAIK the only one around?) then none of us would have heard the Maida Vale '72 versions of Silver Machine and Brainstorm featuring Lemmy. Certainly I'm sure it was illegal to sell discs that were BBC Copyright, as well as music copyrighted to Hawkwind. I'm still cross about how it got bootlegged to CD for sale (a friend promised if I gave him a tape, it wouldn't go any further, and apart from Jill, that was the only tape of it around - even Bernhard didn't get a copy at the time, and we all know how persistent he can be ;-) I'm sure we'd all have preferred it to be on an official CD as was under discussion at the time (hell, I'd still like to see that, particularly if we could clip it with the video of that era that's said to be around sans sound) but nevertheless, I'm sure we'd all rather we'd heard it than that it was still in Mister BBC Transcription Disc's attic (is he still in business?) In short, a lot of strange stuff gets done in Records Land and as I've said before, if we're going to get all Police State about bad behaviour and disrespect, then there are people who are far more damaging to the cause we should be reserving our ammo for. In short, I again agree with Paul, even though that's twice in a single year. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 31 16:42:45 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:45 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Stephe's message of Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: Stephe writes: > Selling it is wrong, and I think any > fan who does it should be shot in the head. Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. > If your not a collector, that > doesn't give you the right to sell. Its illegal!! See you in court. Here's a bet: pretty much everyone who has anything to do with the band is so heartily sick of Court that they'd rather undergo root canal dentistry than go there again. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 31 16:45:21 2005 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:45:21 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo In-Reply-To: Colin Allen's message of Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: Colin Allen writes: > A much misunderstood, and misquoted, man is Mr McNamara. It was actually > General Westmoreland who said that; McNamara would have fundamentally > disagreed. Woops. My bad. The old memory isn't what it used to be.... FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Aug 31 16:57:25 2005 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:57:25 +0100 Subject: Off: CD Promo Message-ID: Back in the 1980s there used to be a record shop in Soho that sold BBC transcription disks. Curiously, some naughty people issued audience recordings on perfectly copied BBC transcriptions disk vinyl. I have a beautiful Led Zeppelin audience recording from 1975 which is on what looks like a pair of genuine BBC transcription disks. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > Paul Mather writes: > > > Lots of fans, including some Kollectors on this list, have bought > > Hawkwind promos in their time. > > Guilty as charged M'lud and I'd like several other charges taken into > account. In fact had I not paid a large sum to a certain person for the > Brian Matthews BBC Transcription Disc (still AFAIK the only one around?) > then none of us would have heard the Maida Vale '72 versions of Silver > Machine and Brainstorm featuring Lemmy. Certainly I'm sure it was > illegal to sell discs that were BBC Copyright, as well as music > copyrighted to Hawkwind. > > I'm still cross about how it got bootlegged to CD for sale (a friend > promised if I gave him a tape, it wouldn't go any further, and apart > from Jill, that was the only tape of it around - even Bernhard didn't > get a copy at the time, and we all know how persistent he can be ;-) > > I'm sure we'd all have preferred it to be on an official CD as was under > discussion at the time (hell, I'd still like to see that, particularly > if we could clip it with the video of that era that's said to be around > sans sound) but nevertheless, I'm sure we'd all rather we'd heard it > than that it was still in Mister BBC Transcription Disc's attic (is he > still in business?) > > In short, a lot of strange stuff gets done in Records Land and as I've > said before, if we're going to get all Police State about bad behaviour > and disrespect, then there are people who are far more damaging to the > cause we should be reserving our ammo for. > > In short, I again agree with Paul, even though that's twice in a single > year. > > FoFP > From jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Aug 31 17:40:05 2005 From: jill.strobridge at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:40:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! Message-ID: Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's heading south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked me to check on his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest I would guess. He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) Can anyone help? thanks! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > Stephe writes: > >> Selling it is wrong, and I think any >> fan who does it should be shot in the head. > > Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. > > > FoFP > > From Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM Wed Aug 31 17:49:08 2005 From: Frank.Weil at MOTOROLA.COM (Weil Frank-CFW001) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:49:08 -0500 Subject: CD Promo - help! Message-ID: I have not gotten mine either, but I figured that maybe that was a combination of being in the USA and having a last name starting far down the alphabet. Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:40 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! > > Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all > the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got > one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - > certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). > > Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's > heading south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked > me to check on > his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still > to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest > I would guess. > > He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) > > Can anyone help? > > thanks! > jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > > > Stephe writes: > > > >> Selling it is wrong, and I think any > >> fan who does it should be shot in the head. > > > > Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Aug 31 19:09:06 2005 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:09:06 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: "It Lives" at last Message-ID: You can listen to the new song, "It Lives" here: http://www.myspace.com/brainsurgeons It's heavy, catchy, clever and making me even more excited to hear the whole album. Brian a.k.a. "get down?" on myspace From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Aug 31 19:28:57 2005 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:28:57 -0600 Subject: CD Promo - help! In-Reply-To: <005201c5ae74$8f380620$6565a8c0@sherlock> Message-ID: If Mike would like to trade that BBC transcription disk for the promo, well..... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and he asked me if all the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently he hasn't got one!! I said I thought they had all been distributed long ago - certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). Mike won't be near email again for a few days since he's heading south for the Off the Tracks Festival and has asked me to check on his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out or is his still to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - one of the earliest I would guess. He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to Ebay......... 8-) Can anyone help? thanks! jill From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Aug 31 20:26:30 2005 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason Scruton) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:26:30 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: "It Lives" at last In-Reply-To: <200508312309.j7VN960X018336@mail20.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Download it! It's a declaration of war -- rock and roll saving your soul vs. settling for less. And how could you possibly want less?? Jason (Jason on myspace, with afro, lounging in a bathtub) At 07:09 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >You can listen to the new song, "It Lives" here: > >http://www.myspace.com/brainsurgeons > >It's heavy, catchy, clever and making me even more excited to hear the >whole album. > >Brian >a.k.a. "get down?" on myspace From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Aug 31 21:58:02 2005 From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:58:02 -0700 Subject: CD Promo - help! In-Reply-To: <0A030AF09CFBB54BA00C3D735790722A01BBD12B@il06exm62.ds.mot.com> Message-ID: I'm a Shindler in the U.S. and I got two copies last week. --- Weil Frank-CFW001 wrote: > I have not gotten mine either, but I figured that > maybe that was a > combination of being in the USA and having a last > name starting far down > the alphabet. > > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of > Jill Strobridge > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:40 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET > > Subject: HW: Re: CD Promo - help! > > > > Heh - I've just been chatting to Mike Holmes and > he asked me if all > > the Promo CDs had been sent out yet! Apparently > he hasn't got > > one!! I said I thought they had all been > distributed long ago - > > certainly I've got mine (Thank You Everyone!). > > > > Mike won't be near email again for a few days > since he's > > heading south for the Off the Tracks Festival and > has asked > > me to check on > > his behalf. Have all the Promo CDs been sent out > or is his still > > to come? He's definitely a Passport holder - > one of the earliest > > I would guess. > > > > He's now wondering if he needs to pay a visit to > Ebay......... 8-) > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > thanks! > > jill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Off: CD Promo > > > > > > > Stephe writes: > > > > > >> Selling it is wrong, and I think any > > >> fan who does it should be shot in the head. > > > > > > Hey! It's *MY* job to advocate shooting people. > > > > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs