From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 04:49:50 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:49:50 +0100
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <005901c53641$091f5670$6565a8c0@sherlock>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.104950.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 31-Mar-2005 23:28, Jill Strobridge wrote:
> Alan Davies
>
>> eddie izzard
Me! OK, I'm not English -- or any good -- but I promise to make lots of
sly Hawkwind and BOC references whilst twirling my sonic screwdriver :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Apr 1 04:57:02 2005
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:57:02 +0100
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <424D193E.8030801@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.105702.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
well,
I reacon that Dave Brock could be the Dr. And Lemmy his sidekick...
and instead of a sonic screwdriver they could use their music to defend
the galaxys.. ohhh hasn't that already been done <G>
iain
bout time we heard about an outdoor hawkwind gig i reacon <G>
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote on 4/1/2005, 10:49 AM:
> On 31-Mar-2005 23:28, Jill Strobridge wrote:
> > Alan Davies
> >
> >> eddie izzard
>
> Me! OK, I'm not English -- or any good -- but I promise to make lots of
> sly Hawkwind and BOC references whilst twirling my sonic screwdriver :)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 1 05:40:57 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:40:57 +0100
Subject: OFF: Hibachi Dealers, Bishops Stortford UK,
tonight (01 April 2005)
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.114057.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
It's like an April Fools joke, but real ;)
The Hibachi Dealers (little band I play in) are performing their first
"non-hometown" away gig at The Half Moon, 31 North Street, Bishop
Stortford, UK tonight (01 April 2005). I think we're the second of
three bands (still not sure how we're not bottom of the bill!) going on
around 9.30pm, apparently.
Tonight sees the debut of our new keyboard player and a dedicated
backing vocalist. (Most bands try to keep membership down so as to
split the proceeds fewer ways, but we try to boost membership so as to
split the costs of renting rehearsal space more ways! :)
There's a (short) schedule of futher upcoming Dealers gigs on my web
site: <http://www.carlaz.com/music/dealers/>
Yeah, OK, I know there's not really any point in posting this to BOC-L,
but I'll take the opportunity to encourage everyone to go out and
support live'n'local music :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Apr 1 13:18:29 2005
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:18:29 +0200
Subject: NIK: Space Ritual added to Burg Herzberg lineup...
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.201829.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Well, that's the whole message....except to say that they'll be playing
Friday night, as the 'late night' act presumably.
See you there.
Grakkl (FAA)
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Apr 1 13:25:13 2005
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:25:13 +0200
Subject: OFF: The previous message...
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.202513.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
was the truth (Nik really is playing at Burg Herzberg),
But just to acknowledge today's date in some partly relevant way...I just
had to forward this gem.
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. Unfortunately, Dr. Marley wasn't born on Gallifrey and therefore
cannot regenerate himself.
BBC asks long-dead Bob Marley for interview
LONDON (AFP) - A red-faced BBC apologised for requesting an interview with
Bob Marley, the Jamaican reggae legend who died 24 years ago.
BBC Three, one of the public broadcaster's digital TV channels, sent an
e-mail to the Bob Marley Foundation saying it wanted to do a documentary
about his hit song "No Woman No Cry".
It said the project would involve Marley -- who died of cancer in May 1981
at the age of 36 -- "spending one or two days with us", and that "it would
only work with some participation from Bob Marley himself".
In a statement, the BBC said: "We are obviously very embarrassed that we
didn't realise that the letter to the Marley Foundation did not acknowledge
that Mr Marley is no longer with us."
Marley would have been 60 last February 6, a date that was celebrated with
great fanfare by his legion of fans worldwide.
A BBC press officer, contacted by AFP in London on Friday, confirmed that
the gaffe was not an April Fool's joke.
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Apr 1 14:10:06 2005
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:10:06 +0200
Subject: HW: Tickets for the UK shows...
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.211006.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey Folks...
Um...previous tours I've been able to purchase tickets on the web and have
them left for me at the venue (I *would* say 'will call' but my experience
at the Astoria last year tells me that nobody in the UK knows what this
expression means...don't know what you call the window where pre-purchased
tickets are retrieved, but in the US, this is it).
Anyway, it seems that for at least the Mi'ilsbro' Wolver'ampton and
Nott'n'hm shows, according to the links given at hawkwind.com, I have only
the option of having tickets sent by mail. Which is rather difficult at the
moment for me, because I don't have an actual address anymore. As of today
in fact, I'm effectively homeless and will remain so for the next four
months. Ticketweb allowed me to choose the pick-up option, but they're only
handling the Sheffield show.
So...does anybody have any suggestions about how I could pre-order tickets
for these three shows? I have no idea how large any of these halls are, so
I have no idea to judge whether sell outs are possible/likely. Usually I
like to have the tickets 'in hand' (even if only in a virtual sense, ie., at
the venue) if I'm going to be traveling all that way for the shows.
Is anybody else going to be ordering tickets for all of these shows by any
chance, and could order an extra one (each) for me, and meet me at the first
show (Middlesbrough)? Or does anybody actually live in the area around
Newcastle (or points immediately south), and I could order them myself and
use your address to have them mailed (as long as that doesn't invalidate my
cc order, 'cause I don't actually live there...I'll have to see if that will
even work).
Anyway, thanks for any ideas.
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. I'm learning that it's difficult to not 'live anywhere.' Every time
you try to do *anything* (esp. get health insurance*), you have to give
somebody your address, and not having one makes people look at you funny and
then make you explain what the heck you're trying to pull. It was bad
enough not having a phone...
*finally made that happen!
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 1 14:34:41 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:34:41 +0100
Subject: HW: Roadburn Festival
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.203441.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
We have just received confirmation that the Litmus set at the 10th Roadburn
Festival on April 9th is going to be filmed for broadcast via VPRO 3voor12
WebTV. More details will be available from http://www.roadburn.com and
http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/index/index.jsp?portal=2534202&even
t=21711857
Both live and on-demand streams are planned of both audio and video. Litmus
are on stage at 18:00 UK time.
Colin
From keith.henderson at PSI.CH Fri Apr 1 15:42:20 2005
From: keith.henderson at PSI.CH (Henderson Keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:42:20 +0200
Subject: OFF: Gigs by Spacious Mind, Hidria Spacefolk
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.224220.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey...
If anybody hears about gigs/tours by these two bands in the spring/summer,
could somebody post them to the list? Thanks!
I can't find any kind of official webpage for Spacious Mind, and Scott H.
told me they are getting ready to play some shows somewhere. Plus, Hidria
Spacefolk I've just heard might be playing in W?rzburg Germany this summer,
and their webpage is not being updated at the moment 'cause they're
webmaster is in Morocco, so we'll need some grassroots communication to
succeed here in getting the word out, I guess.
Sorry for so many off-topic posts today, but I think some of you might
actually care about these bands, so...
Grakkl (FAA)
From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Apr 1 21:12:14 2005
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:12:14 -0500
Subject: Off: Gigs by Spacious Mind, Hidria Spacefolk
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC0D5FD712@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.APR.2005.211214.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Try this for the Spacious Mind. A list member just pointed this to me
yesterday. No mention of gigs yet though.
http://www.countrymanrecords.com/
Chris R.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Henderson Keith
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:42 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: OFF: Gigs by Spacious Mind, Hidria Spacefolk
Hey...
If anybody hears about gigs/tours by these two bands in the spring/summer,
could somebody post them to the list? Thanks!
I can't find any kind of official webpage for Spacious Mind, and Scott H.
told me they are getting ready to play some shows somewhere. Plus, Hidria
Spacefolk I've just heard might be playing in W?rzburg Germany this summer,
and their webpage is not being updated at the moment 'cause they're
webmaster is in Morocco, so we'll need some grassroots communication to
succeed here in getting the word out, I guess.
Sorry for so many off-topic posts today, but I think some of you might
actually care about these bands, so...
Grakkl (FAA)
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 2 12:32:32 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:32:32 -0800
Subject: OFF: Testing...
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.093232.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
the 'new' account. Nothing else to see here.
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. Oh wait...I bought the new Porcupine Tree CD
yesterday. Not too bad...no real progress since the
last one, rather similar in style/feel, but I like it
well enough. Track One is another killer metal track,
but Track Five is the real highlight. But I doubt
there's a hit single here that's going to put PT over
the top into worldwide stardom or anything. Which
perhaps is a good thing?
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From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 2 13:15:44 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:15:44 -0800
Subject: OFF: Spacious Mind/Moonshake Festival
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.101544.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hej pa dig...
By coincidence (searching for info on Avarus), I found
out one place that Spacious Mind will be playing.
It's way the hell up near their hometown, but I've
decided to try to make the trip anyway (hell, I've got
nothing else to do). It's the Moonshake Festival on
May 7th in Umea, Sweden, and also features the bands
Avarus (Finland) and the Magic Carpathians (Czech?).
Unfortunately, the website seems to be all in Swedish.
Can anybody tell me what it says about getting there,
obtaining tickets, camping???
Here: www.popmanifest.net/moonshake
So, Avarus is a band that people on the krautrock list
are suggesting is really cool. I'm planning to pick
up one of their CDs if I can find a way. Anybody here
have anything to say about them?
Anyway, that's it for now. (The HW show in Bergen, NO
is just three days earlier, but I see on the map that
Bergen and Umea are nowhere near each other. Oh,
well, I'll see Hawkwind just a few weeks later.)
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. private email is now khenders64 at yahoo.com for
any nice Swedish person wanting to answer my questions
above. :) Tack sa mycket. or something.
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From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Apr 2 13:58:00 2005
From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David and Manami Greenhalgh)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:58:00 +0100
Subject: HW: Tour
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.195800.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Does anyone know if there are still dates to be added to the tour?
Nothing anywhere near me and now we have a Space Cadet (currently
crying because he can't see his Mum) long hawktreks are a thing of the
past.
Dave
PS - Must get me one of those Doctor Who iPods, so much cooler than the
one I've got. I loved the idea of Cassandra being a transexual as well.
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Apr 2 13:59:13 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:59:13 -0500
Subject: OFF: Spacious Mind/Moonshake Festival
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.135913.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:15:44 -0800, Keith Henderson <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>Hej pa dig...
>
>By coincidence (searching for info on Avarus), I found
>out one place that Spacious Mind will be playing.
>It's way the hell up near their hometown, but I've
>decided to try to make the trip anyway (hell, I've got
>nothing else to do). It's the Moonshake Festival on
>May 7th in Umea, Sweden, and also features the bands
>Avarus (Finland) and the Magic Carpathians (Czech?).
Poland (the northern side of the Carpathians) :^) They're well worth seeing
IMHO.
If you haven't gotten any information on the festival by monday, I have a
Swedish co-worker who I can ask for assistance when I'm back in the office ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM Sat Apr 2 15:07:06 2005
From: groups at WHIRLIGIG.PLUS.COM (David Blair)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:07:06 +0100
Subject: HW: Tickets for the UK shows...
In-Reply-To: <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC0D5FD70B@psi17.psi.ch>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.210706.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In article <ABC4EFAF3217D311A39200508B08F7FC0D5FD70B at psi17.psi.ch>,
Henderson Keith <keith.henderson at PSI.CH> writes
>Is anybody else going to be ordering tickets for all of these shows by any
>chance, and could order an extra one (each) for me, and meet me at the first
>show (Middlesbrough)? Or does anybody actually live in the area around
>Newcastle (or points immediately south), and I could order them myself and
>use your address to have them mailed (as long as that doesn't invalidate my
>cc order, 'cause I don't actually live there...I'll have to see if that will
>even work).
>
>Anyway, thanks for any ideas.
I live about 10 miles North of Newcastle - I won't be seeing them on
this tour, but you can have the tickets sent to my address if you want
--
David Blair
From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Sat Apr 2 15:37:45 2005
From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:37:45 -0500
Subject: OFF: Spacious Mind/Moonshake Festival
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.153745.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:15:44 -0800, Keith Henderson <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>So, Avarus is a band that people on the krautrock list
>are suggesting is really cool. I'm planning to pick
>up one of their CDs if I can find a way. Anybody here
>have anything to say about them?
Most of their material is a loose, somewhat free-form, acousticky-sounding
folk-shaman-noise type of thing, I would categorise it in with the likes of
No Neck Blues Band and Sunburned Hand of the Man. All these guys can make
Amon Duul I sound composed/structured/accessible, so tho I like em I'm not
sure I would recommend them without a prior listen to test the waters.
Avarus does have at least one release of electric space-rock which is
really great, like an early Hawkwind repetitive jam. aquariusrecords.org
has plenty of samples, enough to give a good idea.
Stephan
P.S. which krautrock list?
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Sat Apr 2 15:50:50 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:50:50 -0800
Subject: OFF: Spacious Mind/Moonshake Festival
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <SAT.2.APR.2005.125050.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Stephan asked...
> P.S. which krautrock list?
krautrockII at yahoogroups.com
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. Thanks for the comments.
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From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sun Apr 3 05:10:29 2005
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:10:29 +0200
Subject: Hawkwind in Bergen
In-Reply-To: <200504021001.j32A02aM018022@www.ispnetinc.net>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.APR.2005.111029.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Coming to beautiful Bergen to see Hawkwind May the 4th? :-)
Let me know if I can be of help (locating accomodation etc)
This will get fun! :-) :-) :-) :-)
best,
Ketil Svendsen,
Bergen,
Norway
ps. the Hawkwind site states the airport "appr. 15 minutes from downtown
Bergen". Yeah, if you've got a bl**dy space craft ;-)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Apr 3 09:53:56 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:53:56 +0100
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <008101c533a8$1ec13cf0$12274d51@SN037539420006>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.APR.2005.145356.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Ian Abrahams wrote:
> Yes, I saw that, maybe the Master but I suspect that Davros is now long
> gone...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David and Manami Greenhalgh" <greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:05 PM
> > I wouldn't be so sure. the Radio Times carries a teaser along the lines
> > of in Episode (something - I forget) The Doctor meets someone he
> > thought was long dead. Surely either Davros or The Master?
Perhaps he could be due to run into a former incarnation of
himself? That might have interesting possibilities... Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 3 10:09:47 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:09:47 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SUN.3.APR.2005.150947.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
>
> Perhaps he could be due to run into a former incarnation of
> himself? That might have interesting possibilities... Yours,
> Jon
Oh God I hope not. That was done cleverly *once* and really should never
have been done again. And another bit of nonsense was jettisoned last night
from the programme!
This new series is quickly finding its feet and its identity, very promising
stuff.
Ian
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Apr 3 13:17:40 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:17:40 +0100
Subject: Blasphemy: which Nik?
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005033012013466@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.APR.2005.181740.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Stephan Forstner wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:03 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
> >Can someone in the know please tell us which of the recordings involving
> >Nik and the sundry ex-members of Hawkwind are good ones involving a
> >reasonable smattering of Hawkwind tracks?
> >
> >It might also be useful to list which ones to absolutely avoid.
>
> I'm not in the know, but I've got a handful of these - I assume you mean
> just the recent post-2000 stuff, which has been primarily Hawkwind tracks.
> I think that to date there have only been 2 official releases, both on
> Ozit, the first being the '2001 A Space Odyssey Live' double silver-CD
> release, and the second being the 'Live at Glastonbury and Guildford 2002'
> CD-R. Space Odyssey was (rightly) raked over the coals for its sub-bootleg
> quality sound so its probably not a good choice. I thought G&G was flawed
> but worthy, so I lean toward a yes on that one, I liked it quite a bit at
> the time. Apparently there is a 3rd release coming soon, another live disc
> called Live at the Cygnian Electric Ballroom on Venus or something like
> that which supposedly features the usual tracks but promises to be better
> quality than either of the 2 preceding releases, AndyG might have more info
> as I got the news via one of his mailings. Note also that Nik supports
> trading and there have been several shows distributed on NeoQuark with
> sound quality much better than Space Odyssey and almost as good or as good
> as G&G.
I have to admit I didn't think very much of the
Glastonbury/Guildford one. Apart from the *lousy* editing, dropping you in
and out of the middle of jams (in one case you get the `Thunder Rider Rap'
which Nik usually precedes `Silver Machine' with, then what is plainly the
break and outtro from that track, but the actual track is left out, I
guess because it would have had to bear Brock's credit on it, and no
attempt other than a two-second gap is made to cover the transition. The
sound is rough live/good bootleg but no better. A couple of the tracks
(the version of John Coltrane's `Blue Train' for instance) are interesting
but mainly what you get is fairly monotonous blanga, and a couple of what
look like new tracks are in fact just names for jams coming out of other
well-known tracks. The credits are wrong too (there's more than one
vocalist but no other than Nik is mentioned) but we kind of expect
this. It gves an idea of why the band might be fun to see if you didn't
have your expectations up, which I never do when I go and see Nik and I
usually have a good time. But quality live album it isn't.
I'm interested to know what the new live one will be like though,
but mainly I'd like them to get their studio album out too, ideally the
same day as Hawkwind's... Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From senator at SENITI.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Mon Apr 4 00:07:23 2005
From: senator at SENITI.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:07:23 -0700
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <001501c53590$f90fc450$7401a8c0@deepthought> from "Mike Montfort"
at Mar 30, 2005 08:28:35 PM
Message-ID: <SUN.3.APR.2005.210723.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>
> Would any AMERICAN Dr. Who fans please contact me offlist about an idea I
> have regarding seeing the show.
>
> This will be the first and only message about this.
>
> Now returning you to your usual Hawkwind/BOC music discussions.
>
> Mike
One word Mike, BitTorrent. Have enjoyed both episodes so far from
the safety of LeftPondian. Even burned a coupla VCDs for the less computer
equipped fans.
Bill
From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Apr 4 05:05:40 2005
From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller))
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:05:40 +0200
Subject: HW: Cd news anyone??
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.110540.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hej,
IS there any news on Take me to your Leader? When I spoke to
Dave Brock at Sweden Rock Festival last June, he said first single
August 28th (Spirit of the Age with B-side Angela Android) and the full
CD in September. Then we heard it would be Jan the single and March the
full length... well.. I just finished my 4th article on hawkwind for the
German magazine Moonhead and I was so disappointed that I could not
include anything definitive on the new record. Management never
responded to a request for just 5 answered questions from Dave on the
new record to complete the article...
Anyone out there?????
scott
www.oresundspacecollective.com
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 4 06:30:23 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:30:23 +0100
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:09:47 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.113023.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Ian Abrahams writes:
> Oh God I hope not. That was done cleverly *once* and really should never
> have been done again. And another bit of nonsense was jettisoned last night
> from the programme!
It's a good idea to dump the whole Gallifrey schtick as it gets back to
the original Mysterious Doctor idea. Too many of the Timelord plots had
the series basically crawling up its own arse.
I dunno what it could really mean that the Timelords have all ben
destroyed since as time-travellers, they could just go back to before
the destruction and stop it.
> This new series is quickly finding its feet and its identity, very
> promising stuff.
I liked the jukebox putting on the single. Surely an allusion to Doctor
Who always following Juke Box Jury in the TV schedules back in the old
days.
FoFP
From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 4 09:10:04 2005
From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:10:04 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.141004.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Actually, here's a thought - Eccleston announced publicly he was leaving,
but I'm guessing he knew a long time beforehand that he didn't want to do
more than one series, so if the "thought long dead" character *was* a
previous incarnation of himself, would that not then open the way for Paul
McGann to be positioned as the *next* regeneration?
Or is that just too complex and unlikely for kids tv?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Abrahams" <ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
> > Perhaps he could be due to run into a former incarnation of
> > himself? That might have interesting possibilities... Yours,
> > Jon
>
> Oh God I hope not. That was done cleverly *once* and really should never
> have been done again. And another bit of nonsense was jettisoned last
night
> from the programme!
From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 4 09:26:16 2005
From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:26:16 -0500
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <200504041030.j34AUNRG026659@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.082616.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, M Holmes wrote:
:Subject: Re: dr. who
:Ian Abrahams writes:
:
:> Oh God I hope not. That was done cleverly *once* and really should never
:> have been done again. And another bit of nonsense was jettisoned last night
:> from the programme!
:
:It's a good idea to dump the whole Gallifrey schtick as it gets back to
:the original Mysterious Doctor idea. Too many of the Timelord plots had
:the series basically crawling up its own arse.
:
:I dunno what it could really mean that the Timelords have all ben
:destroyed since as time-travellers, they could just go back to before
:the destruction and stop it.
ahhh, but that violates the Laws of Time. (Of course, they've violated
laws of time in the past, but eh, just being geeky.)
As for me, I'll beg to differ. I *liked* Gallifrey and being able to see
into the Doctor's past. I always thought it helped in Doctor character
development to see the things that he was rebelling against. Made
him...well, more understandable.
("mysterious doctor", notwithstanding ;-) ).
Mainly, I think I'm a bit upset at the ....suddenness of it all. I would
have liked to have seen the story showing Gallifrey's end.
I thought the iPod ref is going to date the show very quickly. Good for
some cheap laughs, but that's about it.
...and I'm still trying to get used to a whole story in a 45 minute block.
No wonder everything seems so damn compressed.
Arin
(still adjusting)
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From akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Apr 4 09:33:55 2005
From: akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:33:55 -0500
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <200503311616.j2VGG2Qj024175@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.083355.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, M Holmes wrote:
:Subject: Re: dr. who
:
:Ian Abrahams writes:
:
:> How would Bill Nighy go down with the target audience though?
:
:He's the right age. He's eccentric. He's quintessentially British.
He'd be a good alternate to Eccleston. imho, regenerations are best when
the doctors in question are very different from each other, and Tenant is
just too....young.
:Good decision to keep the Tardis and the update to the internals is
:fine. Reprising the Companion as a Buffy character is inevitable, and
:will probably prove a hit with preteen girlies.
I've been liking the very steampunk look to the new TARDIS console room.
(BTW, for those of you going to Worldcon in Glasgow this year, they are
supposed to have the old TARDIS console room on display.)
:What they absolutely have to do is reprise UNIT as a modern
:take-no-prisoners SAS squad with a bit of Spooks thrown in, though the
:Leftbridge-Stewart replacement should probably have a bit of the
:eccentric old Colonel in him.
Yeah, that would rock. Plus, they still need to find an excuse to have
Nicholas Courtney make a guest appearance, if only so that he can appear
with all the doctors ;-)
(He showed up with McGann in one of the BF audios)
:All in all though, I'd rather have seen them do Jerry Cornelius instead.
:He's a hip British time-traveller after all and the whole Sixties thing
:could lend the appropriate level of humour. Trips out from Time Central
:could easily lend itself to an episodic format. Mind you, they probably
:couldn't have Bishop Beesely bugger anyone with a Mars Bar and hope to
:air it before the kids went to bed.
Now that would have been fun.
Arin
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From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 4 13:07:32 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:07:32 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.180732.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arin Komins" <akomins at UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: dr. who
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, M Holmes wrote:
>
> :Subject: Re: dr. who
> :
> :Ian Abrahams writes:
> :
> :> How would Bill Nighy go down with the target audience though?
> :
> :He's the right age. He's eccentric. He's quintessentially British.
>
> He'd be a good alternate to Eccleston. imho, regenerations are best when
> the doctors in question are very different from each other, and Tenant is
> just too....young.
Yes, but how would he go down with the target audience - they are squarely
aiming this (correctly) at a young audience not a sci-fi audience (heck,
that's how we've had two weeks of excellent viewing figures and audience
share). Tenant is four years older than Peter Davison was when he got the
role.
> Yeah, that would rock. Plus, they still need to find an excuse to have
> Nicholas Courtney make a guest appearance, if only so that he can appear
> with all the doctors ;-)
>
> (He showed up with McGann in one of the BF audios)
Still hoping that all that continuity baggage gets left for BF and the
series itself runs free of it!
Ian
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 4 13:09:48 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:09:48 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.180948.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Allen" <beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: dr. who
> Actually, here's a thought - Eccleston announced publicly he was leaving,
> but I'm guessing he knew a long time beforehand that he didn't want to do
> more than one series, so if the "thought long dead" character *was* a
> previous incarnation of himself, would that not then open the way for Paul
> McGann to be positioned as the *next* regeneration?
> Or is that just too complex and unlikely for kids tv?
Too complicated, too fanboy and unlikely that McGann would want to be
involved again anyway I'd have thought. But yes, I think you're right abour
Eccleston - I hear that he confirmed he'd not be coming back at least three
months ago and its part of the season ending game plan. Remember, when he
came onboard nobody knew there would be a second season, so they got the
very best actor available without worrying what *might* happen in 2006.
Ian
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Mon Apr 4 14:37:11 2005
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:37:11 EDT
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.143711.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 03/04/05 14:55:41 GMT Daylight Time,
jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes:
> Perhaps he could be due to run into a former incarnation of
> himself? That might have interesting possibilities
It would indeed. Hartnell, Troughton or Pertwee?
I think it will be The Master though... however, he has used all his
regenerations. So how do they get around that? I think that is something they are
going to have to update if they are to carry on with the Doctor Who series with
different actors playing the part.
By the way... When were all the other Time Lords wiped out?
I stopped watching when it got really stoopid, licquorice allsort aliens
indeed!
Steve.
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 4 15:13:22 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:13:22 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.201322.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: <GutterCat at AOL.COM>
>
> I think it will be The Master though... however, he has used all his
> regenerations. So how do they get around that? I think that is something
they are
> going to have to update if they are to carry on with the Doctor Who series
with
> different actors playing the part.
I'm sure somebody on the production team with a pen and a bit of paper will
sort that one out ok :-)
>
> By the way... When were all the other Time Lords wiped out?
> I stopped watching when it got really stoopid, licquorice allsort aliens
> indeed!
Not on TV - in the 8th Doctor books so it may be an allusion to that
wiothout losing the audience or it may be inspired by that but for different
reasons. I think its a good move personally, and one that doesn't really
need too much backstory developed as its something that can be accepted by
new viewers with minimum of fuss really.
Abie
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 4 16:43:16 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:43:16 +0100
Subject: OFF: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <200503301819.j2UIJW8g013469@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.214316.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, M Holmes wrote:
> Since I have a Ph.D student called Linda Hu working for me, I expect to
> be attending a Doctor Hu party sooner or later...
<fails to resist the feedline>
Dr what?
<waits... >
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Apr 4 20:45:49 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:45:49 -0400
Subject: OFF: Curse of El Charro
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.204549.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Unlike the rest of the list (it seems!), I haven't been watching the new
Doctor Who (although my twelve-year-old self was extremely grateful to PBS
for bringing most of the Tom Baker and, uh, the next guy, the one with the
celery stalk, episodes over to the states).
Instead, I went to a bunch of films at San Francisco's "Fearless Tales
Genre Festival" this past week, including the one in the message
subject, 'The Curse Of El Charro', mostly because of the cameo appearance
by one "Lemmy Kilmeister" (that's how it's spelled in the credits). The
bulk of the movie was really pretty boring, un-ironically (I didn't think
that was possible in the post-'Scream' era) following the standard
supernatural-slasher-kills-nubile-coeds plotline (which bores me, but it
looked like one genre afficianados would appreciate). Of somewhat more
interest were midget bartenders, a "lounge" singer (in a wheelchair with
Cerebral Palsy) doing sort of a Tom Waits-meets-Laibach number, a couple
well-done flashbacks-to-the-19th-century, Tabitha Soren (apparently she's
the one who hooked up the director with Lemmy) in a lesbian shower scene
(sorry...), and, of course, Lemmy's bit. He plays a priest (no indication
if he's a rockin' vicar) who expounds on a bunch of metaphysical nonsense
for a couple minutes in an insert scene (nothing to do with the rest of
the movie!). The director explained that particular scene was inspired by
early German film (Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu), and he was trying to get
Lemmy to wear white face makeup for the scene. Lemmy wasn't having any of
that, but did agree to wear dark makeup around the eyes to make him look
more sinister ... apparently at that point, he told the director, "yeah,
ok, we used to do that for shows back when I was in Hawkwind".
film website:
http://www.americanworldpictures.com/projects/elcharro.htm
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 4 23:39:03 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:39:03 -0400
Subject: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <1e9.3953fa14.2f82e357@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.4.APR.2005.233903.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 14:37 -0400, GutterCat at AOL.COM wrote:
> I think it will be The Master though... however, he has used all his
> regenerations. So how do they get around that? I think that is something they are
> going to have to update if they are to carry on with the Doctor Who series with
> different actors playing the part.
There is a BBC Three series called "Doctor Who Confidential," which is a
behind-the-scenes look at the new series. In the episode about bringing
back Doctor Who, they basically said they did away with regenerations
because it would confuse the kiddies (the target audience). The gist I
got is that anything that relies on deep continuity would be
conveniently ignored/glossed over, because the target audience would not
have been alive when those episodes were made and so would lack the
necessary background knowledge/appreciation. They also explained that
they specifically didn't want a regeneration sequence for the new Doctor
as a way of making a sort of break with the past and re-introducing
things anew in a way.
In other words, they would adhere more to the spirit than to the letter
of what had gone before.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 5 09:40:21 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:40:21 +0100
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
Message-ID: <TUE.5.APR.2005.144021.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I just noticed that an Apple iTunes blurb points out that you can "set
the built-in equalizer to manual for more cowbell"!
http://www.apple.com/uk/ipod/autosync.html
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 5 09:53:49 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:53:49 +0100
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:40:21 +0100
Message-ID: <TUE.5.APR.2005.145349.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Carl Edlund Anderson writes:
> I just noticed that an Apple iTunes blurb points out that you can "set
> the built-in equalizer to manual for more cowbell"!
Does it go up to Eleven?
FoFP
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Apr 5 14:38:45 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:38:45 -0400
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: <200504051353.j35DrnRM025574@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.APR.2005.143845.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:53 +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Carl Edlund Anderson writes:
>
> > I just noticed that an Apple iTunes blurb points out that you can "set
> > the built-in equalizer to manual for more cowbell"!
>
> Does it go up to Eleven?
No, but it does have a setting where you can hear in crisp detail your
fair use rights being throttled by Apple's DRM... >:-)
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 5 18:14:36 2005
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:14:36 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album?
In-Reply-To: <015101c52fec$25dd88f0$e8fa0750@ODLaptop>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.APR.2005.181436.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Chas wrote:
> Aaaah - six months, I can see how this must be really frustrating for
> musicians when they are already to go but the logistics are against
> you -
> it's bad enough for the fans. I don't suppose there will be a 'fan
> club'
> only release of a couple of tracks (or even demos), sampler on the web
> site... :-)))
We might contribute a track to a compilation album in July but details
are still being worked out. We're planning to mix it in early May so
really anything can happen after that.
> Good luck with the record company situation, if the gig was anything
> to go
> by it will be worth the wait.
> Is there any significance in the potential title?
The title comes from a psychology book by Earnest Becker that won the
Pulitzer prize in 1974.
Al
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 6 09:29:50 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:29:50 -0700
Subject: OFF: TanuTuva (Hungary)
Message-ID: <WED.6.APR.2005.062950.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey folks...
One really great band that I saw in Budapest last year
is called TanuTuva, and I've finally discovered their
webpage at soundfreedom.org
It doesn't seem like they have any commercial CDs for
sale yet (I just wrote them an email to ask), but they
do have a few MP3's up there for people to check out.
I don't have a computer with that capability (still),
so I can't do this myself, but I urge you to. They
were really good, Ozrics-type stuff. Enjoy....and
post your opinions here if you like. Hopefully, this
off-topic stuff won't bother all the people who come
to this list to discuss its main topic, that being Dr.
Who of course. :)
Ciao...Grakkl (FAA)
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From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 6 09:46:01 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:46:01 +0100
Subject: HW/BRAIN: Is there a release date yet for the new album?
In-Reply-To: <bf56854337b6da7aec1300d0bda75f4d@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.APR.2005.144601.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 05-Apr-2005 23:14, Albert Bouchard wrote:
> We might contribute a track to a compilation album in July but details
> are still being worked out. We're planning to mix it in early May so
> really anything can happen after that.
Bets, anyone, that tBS get a new album out before Hawkwind? :)
Or BOC, for that matter ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 6 10:01:54 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:01:54 +0100
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: <1112726325.70382.2.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <WED.6.APR.2005.150154.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 05-Apr-2005 19:38, Paul Mather wrote:
> No, but it does have a setting where you can hear in crisp detail your
> fair use rights being throttled by Apple's DRM... >:-)
I wondered over this until I remembered that iTunes is now a music store
to most people, rather than just the default Mac audio-player :)
I've never bought anything from the iTMS -- partially 'cause of the
rights issues (when I buy it, it's _mine_ :) and partially 'cause I'm
not interested in buying something that will sound worse than a CD and
that, on a per song basis, costs about the same. I have bought FLACs
from livephish and livebonnaroo, though, and I expect to buy a souvenier
of the Mule's upcoming London gig from muletracks :) I guess the Dead
are now offering Dick's Picks as FLACs, but they cost about as much as
the CDs, so there's not much incentive there!
Cheers,
Carl
ps - I hear there's a little workshop in the Bronx that makes excellent
cowbells. I gotta check that out, if I can :)
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
http://www.carlaz.com/
From merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM Wed Apr 6 13:17:13 2005
From: merlinas at BTCONNECT.COM (Dave Bottomley)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:17:13 +0100
Subject: HW: Mojo radio
Message-ID: <WED.6.APR.2005.181713.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks
Not only does this month's Mojo magazine include a 2-page 'How to buy
Hawkwind' feature (wot, no Hall of the Mountain Grill???!), but also tells
us of an immiment edition of their Mojo Rocks online radio programme that
may be of interest due to the content & the guest presenter.
On Friday April 22nd (9-11pm), we have (and I quote):
"Space Is Deep: Cosmic adventures with ex-Hawkwind sax man Nik Turner".
Wonder if he'll play any Dave Brock Trio material?
Check out details at www.mojo4music.com/html/mojo_radio.shtml
Dave
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 6 18:26:23 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:26:23 +0100
Subject: OFF: dr. who
In-Reply-To: <200503311654.j2VGsakh003084@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.APR.2005.232623.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, M Holmes wrote:
> Chris Allen writes:
>
> > > All in all though, I'd rather have seen them do Jerry Cornelius instead.
> > > He's a hip British time-traveller after all and the whole Sixties thing
> > > could lend the appropriate level of humour. Trips out from Time Central
> > > could easily lend itself to an episodic format. Mind you, they probably
> > > couldn't have Bishop Beesely bugger anyone with a Mars Bar and hope to
> > > air it before the kids went to bed.
>
> > Dammit we need a remake of The Time Tunnel for the new millennium.
>
> The trouble with TTT and to an extent Quantum Leap was that they tended
> to be primers in "History of the US". It'd be nice to think that they
> could do some sort of Jerry Cornelius series without resorting to that.
It'd have to be a kind of primer in world history, all the
same; there's such a strong colonial/Great Powers background to so much of
the Cornelius stuff, and so much concentration on cities and their
characteristics... You'd more or less have to just take the characters and
the Multiverse, and some but not much of the deep background, and then
write new material round them. Which'd be kind of a shame as it'd likely
omit the incest, drug abuse, bisexuality and orbits round characters with
prejudices you couldn't screen nowadays which make the whole thing, well,
Jerry Cornelius. Contrast to _Distant Suns_ which doesn't have most of
this stuff and really doesn't count as a Cornelius novel don't you
think? Yours,
Jon
ObLP: Bevis Frond - _Son of Walter_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 7 05:43:38 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:43:38 +0100
Subject: OFF: dr. who
In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:26:23 +0100
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.104338.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon Jarrett writes:
[Jerry Cornelius on TV...]
> It'd have to be a kind of primer in world history, all the
> same; there's such a strong colonial/Great Powers background to so much of
> the Cornelius stuff, and so much concentration on cities and their
> characteristics... You'd more or less have to just take the characters and
> the Multiverse, and some but not much of the deep background, and then
> write new material round them.
Sure, though it needn't be limited to world history specifically. The
Multiverse would allow for alternate histories too, and that could make
it fun.
> Which'd be kind of a shame as it'd likely
> omit the incest, drug abuse, bisexuality and orbits round characters with
> prejudices you couldn't screen nowadays which make the whole thing, well,
Bisexuality wouldn't be (heh) out. Hell, it's almost mandatory in TV
soaps these days. Incest could probably only be implied, and drug use
only if bad consequences are portrayed. With a little skillful writing I
don't think the character needs to change hugely, though it certainly
wouldn't be an exact copy from the books either.
FoFP
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 7 07:11:12 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 04:11:12 -0700
Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.041112.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
For those that don't already know, Sky Cries Mary
recently reunited (nearly the same lineup from
three-four years ago) and are doing a new album. In
roughly four hours (if I have my time changes right),
they'll be on the radio in Seattle (and online), if
anyone wants to listen in as to what they're doing.
-----------------------------------
We will be the featured North West band tomorrow,
April 7th on KEXP! The special will air tomorrow
morning at 8 a.m. PST. If you live in the
Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia area you can check it out at
90.3 or 91.7 FM. If you live elsewhere be sure to
listen online (www.kexp.org). If you miss the show it
will be in their archive for the next two weeks.
-----------------------------------
Grakkl (FAA)
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From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Apr 7 09:10:07 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:10:07 -0400
Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary
In-Reply-To: <20050407111112.3928.qmail@web51803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.091007.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Keith Henderson <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM>:
> For those that don't already know, Sky Cries Mary
> recently reunited (nearly the same lineup from
> three-four years ago) and are doing a new album. In
> roughly four hours (if I have my time changes right),
> they'll be on the radio in Seattle (and online), if
> anyone wants to listen in as to what they're doing.
I liked their earlier stuff, but I gave up after Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves.
I remember just being irritated by it, but I guess I should go back and give it
another listen.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 7 09:38:22 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:38:22 -0700
Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.063822.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
--- David Kuznick <dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU>
wrote:
>
> I liked their earlier stuff, but I gave up after
> Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves.
> I remember just being irritated by it, but I guess
> I should go back and give it
> another listen.
True, it wasn't as good as the earlier stuff, or at
least not as consistent. But 'An Ant, The Stars, an
Owl and Its Prey" is my favorite SCM song of all.
Brilliant dreamy space rock. And the 'Smoke
Break/Want' sequence, from what I remember, is quite
good too. The only thing they did after this album
(apart from a compilation with some rarities) was a
four-track CD-EP called Seeds, which was really very
good IMHO.
A very creative bohemian lot, that I feel privileged
to have seen live, given that they hardly ever left
the state of Washington to play live. (In fact, I had
to go *to* Seattle to see them, at the Womad
festival.)
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. The second Hana CD (Alisa Romano & Jeff Greinke)
entitled "Omen" I recommend too. I like her singing
alone better than the duo style with her husband.
Their voices don't match well IMHO, but separately
they're both fine. The one problem with SCM that I
always had.
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From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 7 10:16:09 2005
From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John Swartz)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:16:09 -0400
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: <200504070900.j37902IP012180@www.ispnetinc.net>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.101609.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>> No, but it does have a setting where you can hear in crisp detail your
>> fair use rights being throttled by Apple's DRM... >:-)
>
>
> I wondered over this until I remembered that iTunes is now a music store
> to most people, rather than just the default Mac audio-player :)
>
> I've never bought anything from the iTMS -- partially 'cause of the
> rights issues (when I buy it, it's _mine_ :) and partially 'cause I'm
> not interested in buying something that will sound worse than a CD and
> that, on a per song basis, costs about the same.
I've bought a fair number of tracks and albums from iTMS and don't have
a problem with the quality, but agree that cost-wise it's about the same
as a CD and you will get the full quality there.
As for the DRM, there's a fairly easy way to be able to address that -
the AAC files you get from the iTMS can be burned to CD using iTunes as
audio (AIFF) files. You can then do as you will with those files -
including ripping them to MP3s (ironicly, also using iTunes).
Case in point - I needed a "karaoke track" of Van Morrisson's "Brown
Eyed Girl". I had the original from iTMS - I buned it (along with a
number of other AAC files) to CD, then used a freeware cross-platform
program called Audacity to import the audio, and filter out most of the
vocals (using a plug-in that can remove vocals panned to the center).
Then I Van Morrisson's band backing me up so I could serenade my wife.
But I digress...
John
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 7 10:45:50 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:45:50 +0100
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: <425540A9.30007@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.154550.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 07/04/2005 15:16, John Swartz wrote:
> As for the DRM, there's a fairly easy way to be able to address that -
> the AAC files you get from the iTMS can be burned to CD using iTunes as
> audio (AIFF) files. You can then do as you will with those files -
> including ripping them to MP3s (ironicly, also using iTunes).
Yeah, but I really hate the idea of convert a lossy AAC to a WAV (on CD)
and then back to a freshly lossy MP3! But hey -- I figure it's not like
Apple would be tricking me if I bought iTMS downlaods. I mean, it's not
a secret that what you can do with the files is limited, so if one
doesn't like it, it's not like one is forced to buy it at gunpoint ;)
I think, here, the market will ultimately prevail. If enough people get
steamed over losing their rights to make backups and stuff of music they
bought, then the labels will allow it.
But eventually I think it will be up to the artist. I mean, iTMS could
practically be a label. The artist would be like a reseller on Amazon:
iTMS would be the point of contact between seller and buyer; they'd take
a cut of any sale (or have some fee structure for bandwidth/discspace or
whatever) and the artist would decide what to put there and what DRM
restrictions it would have. Ta da. I mean, I'm sure there will always
be "labels" doing heavy promotion of pap to the masses, but I've never
been interested in those products anyway. iTMS should just tell artists
"upload us your song in lossless and choose your DRM/pricing and
download-format options". Like, if no one ever buys your song, you can
still go try to prostitute yourself to a label an convince them to
promote you, right? It's a free(ish) world, after all.
Well, that's my uninformed pontification, anyway :)
Cheers,
Carl
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 7 11:30:53 2005
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:30:53 -0700
Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary
In-Reply-To: <20050407133822.95477.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.083053.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I thought of buying one of their CDs used but AMG
doesn't give any of the reviews more than 3 stars. Any
suggestions for a newbie?
--- Keith Henderson <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> --- David Kuznick <dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU>
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked their earlier stuff, but I gave up after
> > Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves.
> > I remember just being irritated by it, but I guess
> > I should go back and give it
> > another listen.
>
> True, it wasn't as good as the earlier stuff, or at
> least not as consistent. But 'An Ant, The Stars, an
> Owl and Its Prey" is my favorite SCM song of all.
> Brilliant dreamy space rock. And the 'Smoke
> Break/Want' sequence, from what I remember, is quite
> good too. The only thing they did after this album
> (apart from a compilation with some rarities) was a
> four-track CD-EP called Seeds, which was really very
> good IMHO.
>
> A very creative bohemian lot, that I feel privileged
> to have seen live, given that they hardly ever left
> the state of Washington to play live. (In fact, I
> had
> to go *to* Seattle to see them, at the Womad
> festival.)
>
> Grakkl (FAA)
>
> P.S. The second Hana CD (Alisa Romano & Jeff
> Greinke)
> entitled "Omen" I recommend too. I like her singing
> alone better than the duo style with her husband.
> Their voices don't match well IMHO, but separately
> they're both fine. The one problem with SCM that I
> always had.
>
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 7 11:33:33 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:33:33 +0100
Subject: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.163333.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Well, we tried and failed to get tickets for Glasters. We've pretty much
written it off as a shambles. A shame after a quarter century of
attendance but there it is.
So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg herzberg last year
but probably won't travel that far without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or
similar as a draw. Ideally we'd like a festival smaller than Glastonbury
which has camping, market stalls/food/real ale, and has something else
to do apart from just music - say comedy/crafts/wack stuff and if
possible stalls like the politics/alternative energy ones at the Green
Fields in Glastonbury. Preferably wherever we end up, it won't have a
ban on campfires, or at least will offer large communal fires to warm
the tootsies by. Musicwise it's preferably spacerock/progressive/hippie
or electronic (though more Euro than dance). Folks or country definitely
not preferred. A laiback vibe rather than a frantic one is a marked plus.
A quick perusal of efestivals seems to mark out Guilfest and Wickerman.
Has anyone been to either or knows anyone who has? Comments? Are there
other festivals we ought to consider?
No sign of Hawkwind at Pentrich? They usually do every second year don't
they?
FoFP
From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 12:00:31 2005
From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:00:31 +0100
Subject: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.170031.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
big green gathering, earthwise
i think that nik/judge etc will be at these, maybe
they are not til later in the year tho'
glasters tickets sold out in 24 mins - all of them
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Subject: Festivals - info wanted
> Well, we tried and failed to get tickets for Glasters. We've pretty much
> written it off as a shambles. A shame after a quarter century of
> attendance but there it is.
>
> So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg herzberg last year
> but probably won't travel that far without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or
> similar as a draw. Ideally we'd like a festival smaller than Glastonbury
> which has camping, market stalls/food/real ale, and has something else
> to do apart from just music - say comedy/crafts/wack stuff and if
> possible stalls like the politics/alternative energy ones at the Green
> Fields in Glastonbury. Preferably wherever we end up, it won't have a
> ban on campfires, or at least will offer large communal fires to warm
> the tootsies by. Musicwise it's preferably spacerock/progressive/hippie
> or electronic (though more Euro than dance). Folks or country definitely
> not preferred. A laiback vibe rather than a frantic one is a marked plus.
>
> A quick perusal of efestivals seems to mark out Guilfest and Wickerman.
> Has anyone been to either or knows anyone who has? Comments? Are there
> other festivals we ought to consider?
>
> No sign of Hawkwind at Pentrich? They usually do every second year don't
> they?
>
> FoFP
>
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 7 14:53:39 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:53:39 -0400
Subject: BOC/BRAIN: more iCowbell
In-Reply-To: <425540A9.30007@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.145339.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 10:16 -0400, John Swartz wrote:
> >> No, but it does have a setting where you can hear in crisp detail your
> >> fair use rights being throttled by Apple's DRM... >:-)
> >
> >
> > I wondered over this until I remembered that iTunes is now a music store
> > to most people, rather than just the default Mac audio-player :)
> >
> > I've never bought anything from the iTMS -- partially 'cause of the
> > rights issues (when I buy it, it's _mine_ :) and partially 'cause I'm
> > not interested in buying something that will sound worse than a CD and
> > that, on a per song basis, costs about the same.
>
> I've bought a fair number of tracks and albums from iTMS and don't have
> a problem with the quality, but agree that cost-wise it's about the same
> as a CD and you will get the full quality there.
I've never used iTMS because I can't: I use neither Windows nor MacOS,
so I'm locked out of the shop. I have a friend with an iBook who uses
iTMS and loves it, although she confesses its ease of use is a bit of a
problem at times because it's easy to spend a lot of money buying tracks
on impulse without realising it. :-)
> As for the DRM, there's a fairly easy way to be able to address that -
> the AAC files you get from the iTMS can be burned to CD using iTunes as
> audio (AIFF) files. You can then do as you will with those files -
> including ripping them to MP3s (ironicly, also using iTunes).
As Carl pointed out, having to go from a lossy to a lossless back to
another (possibly different) lossy format (involving a redundant piece
of plastic as a temporary go-between) just so you can play your music
on, say, your MP3 player not only risks audio quality degradation, but
also involves jumping through hoops you shouldn't really have to (and
didn't have to before) just to exercise your fair use rights.
With DRM, the content provider holds all the cards. The ugly reality is
that in a DRM universe you almost never own the content you buy: you pay
to have access to it according to the whims of the content provider.
The DRM conditions have changed over the current lifetime of iTunes, and
there's a catch-all provision that the terms and conditions can be
changed at any time. It's not just music, either. With Half-Life 2
creator Valve's Steam system, you can't be sure you won't be billed
after the fact for continued play of a game you bought because you need
Steam as a prerequisite to activate the game (and in some ways to play
it), and by agreeing to Steam's EULA you agree to this possibility. You
are held hostage to Valve's desires enforced through Steam DRM.
> Case in point - I needed a "karaoke track" of Van Morrisson's "Brown
> Eyed Girl". I had the original from iTMS - I buned it (along with a
> number of other AAC files) to CD, then used a freeware cross-platform
> program called Audacity to import the audio, and filter out most of the
> vocals (using a plug-in that can remove vocals panned to the center).
> Then I Van Morrisson's band backing me up so I could serenade my wife.
That's neat (I hope your wife liked the serenade)! But, it's only made
possible because Apple currently allow you to interface with the non-DRM
universe, i.e., burn to CD-Audio. (That's one carrot to get you to
become an iTMS customer.) In a totally DRM-aware universe (for which
the content providers are pressing), DRM information would follow the
original bought tune everywhere. Under that regime, Audacity could
easily be blocked from being able to load the re-ripped file (or from
being able to save the edited version).
DRM provisions and proprietary formats allow content providers unfair
leverage. For example, the iPod is a wildly popular portable music
player/fashion accessory. Apple have faced charges that they are
favouring iTMS by restricting the licensing of AAC. By not licensing
ACC to rival online music stores, it favours iTMS by driving iPod users
in iTMS's direction. (Sadly, people like me will always be squeezed out
of the party because companies won't license DRM technology for Open
Source operating systems. That's why we have to use illegal hacks like
DeCSS to play our legitimately bought DVDs on those platforms.
Unfortunately, DeCSS is only possible because DVD encryption is easy to
break in real time. It's unlikely this mistake will be repeated when
the standards for the next generation of DVD is written, rendering them
unplayable by those of us in the Open Source ghetto.)
Like killing a frog by slowly boiling it alive, people put up with DRM
because its real effects only become apparent when its too late (and
they've invested too much in DRM content to abandon it). Also, the
concepts involved with DRM are somewhat abstract, because people don't
have as good a handle on intellectual property as they do physical
property. For example, if you told someone that if they bought, say, a
Ford car that had the built-in restriction that Ford only allowed it to
drive on certain roads at certain times of the day, or it would only
work with petrol from certain companies, or could use only certain
brands of tyres---and that these Ford restrictions could change
arbitrarily sometime in the future, just when you'd got used to
everything as it was---then those people might rightly say "stuff it!"
If you want a view of what a ubiquitous DRM universe looks like, have a
read of security researcher Ross Anderson's "Trustworthy Computing FAQ"
at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html
"I think you will be very happy here. Nobody has complained... yet."
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 7 15:04:03 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:04:03 -0400
Subject: OFF: dr. who
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.150403.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:43:38 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
>Jon Jarrett writes:
>
>[Jerry Cornelius on TV...]
>
>> Which'd be kind of a shame as it'd likely
>> omit the incest, drug abuse, bisexuality and orbits round characters
>> with prejudices you couldn't screen nowadays which make the whole
>> thing, well,
The prejudice/rascism thing would probably be the most difficult thing to
get on tv these days, I think (although I wonder if anyone in the US even
knows that "wog" is a rascist term ... or what it originally stood for).
>Bisexuality wouldn't be (heh) out. Hell, it's almost mandatory in TV
>soaps these days.
Yes, but only amongst attractive females. Definitely not fat men in
mitres (which may be a good thing, come to think of it)! I'd love to see
the outcry from offended catholics, though.
>Incest could probably only be implied,
Subtext is everything ...
>and drug use only if bad consequences are portrayed.
At least there ARE lots of bad consequences in the Cornelius stories, so
that would probably be possible to work in.
>With a little skillful writing I
>don't think the character needs to change hugely, though it certainly
>wouldn't be an exact copy from the books either.
That would be great fun, although I can't possibly imagine it actually
happening ... oh well ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From Tjackson at SYR.EDU Thu Apr 7 15:22:57 2005
From: Tjackson at SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:22:57 -0400
Subject: OFF: dr. who
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.152257.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>>> jasret at MINDSPRING.COM 4/7/2005 3:04:03 PM >>>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:43:38 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
wrote:
>Jon Jarrett writes:
>
>[Jerry Cornelius on TV...]
>
>> Which'd be kind of a shame as it'd likely
>> omit the incest, drug abuse, bisexuality and orbits round
characters
>> with prejudices you couldn't screen nowadays which make the whole
>> thing, well,
The prejudice/rascism thing would probably be the most difficult thing
to
get on tv these days, I think (although I wonder if anyone in the US
even
knows that "wog" is a rascist term ... or what it originally stood
for).
Uh, is it "Westernized 'Oriental' Gentleman?"
I think there's an even more racist meaning for "wog," isn't there?
theo
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 7 15:31:46 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:31:46 -0700
Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.123146.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
--- gary shindler <bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> I thought of buying one of their CDs used but AMG
> doesn't give any of the reviews more than 3 stars.
> Any suggestions for a newbie?
"This Timeless Turning" is the best IMHO. The
previous one "A Return to the Inner Experience" is
also good. The debut "Until the Grinders Cease" is by
(essentially) a completely different band, and is
rather uninteresting industrial-type music. I've
already talked about the 4th one (Moonbathing...hit
and miss), and that one EP (Seeds...four songs, good).
They had an earlier CD-EP called "Exit at the Axis"
which is pretty good too. But "TTT" is not only good
stuff, it's also very long, like 70 minutes, and has
some extended jams that are really nice.
"Fresh Fruits for the Liberation" is an OK
compilation, and has their cover tunes "2000 light
years from home" and "Wots...uh, the Deal".
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From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 7 15:40:20 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:40:20 -0700
Subject: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.124020.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
--- M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
> Well, we tried and failed to get tickets for
> Glasters.
Does anybody know the contact information (presumably
someone that is likely to be booking the acts for
whatever stage has the prog/space acts, if any) for
bands looking to secure a playing spot at Glasters? I
kinda figure the thing is already set for this year,
but Emil of Korai Orom asked me about it. I guess
they would like to play there soon/someday.
> So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg
> herzberg last year but probably won't travel that
far > without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or similar as a
draw.
Um....you *did* see my post about Nik & Space Ritual
playing there this year, did you not? Is that not
'similar' enough to Hawkwind? :)
Yeah, and Korai Orom is playing as well, and they're
damn good. So is ColourHaze (Thursday night), though
they're on the louder/fuzzier side of space. I asked
the Herzberg folks to pick up Litmus, who were on the
Kosmos bill (but it was cancelled), but I kinda doubt
that will happen...the lineup is close to full now. :(
I'd love to have Eloy come back and play at least a
few more shows...I'm disappointed that Frank seems to
be quietly disappearing from the scene. I'm on the
yahoo list, so if they do announce any reunion dates,
I'll post 'em.
> Ideally we'd like a festival smaller than
Glastonbury
> which has camping, market stalls/food/real ale...
Uh, Hawkfest? :)
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. Mike, you gonna be at Middlesbrough? or any of
the other 'northernish' gigs?
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From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Apr 7 15:51:31 2005
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:51:31 EDT
Subject: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.155131.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/7/2005 3:41:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
khenders64 at YAHOO.COM writes:
Excerpt from the Hawkwind group...one chap lamenting over the sell-out of
Glasters in 40 min.
> >So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg
> >herzberg last year but probably won't travel that
> >far >without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or similar as a
> >draw.
The TRIBES from the hawkwind list have spoken...again
bill stewart
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Thu Apr 7 17:50:05 2005
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:50:05 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <1112900020.23695.59.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.225005.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert to
them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend during
their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
(songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too. On
his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
Cool!
From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 17:58:58 2005
From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:58:58 +0100
Subject: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.225858.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Henderson" <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
> --- M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
>> Well, we tried and failed to get tickets for
>> Glasters.
>
> Does anybody know the contact information (presumably
> someone that is likely to be booking the acts for
> whatever stage has the prog/space acts, if any) for
> bands looking to secure a playing spot at Glasters? I
> kinda figure the thing is already set for this year,
> but Emil of Korai Orom asked me about it. I guess
> they would like to play there soon/someday.
>
>> So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg
>> herzberg last year but probably won't travel that
> far > without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or similar as a
> draw.
>
> Um....you *did* see my post about Nik & Space Ritual
> playing there this year, did you not? Is that not
> 'similar' enough to Hawkwind? :)
>
> Yeah, and Korai Orom is playing as well, and they're
> damn good. So is ColourHaze (Thursday night), though
> they're on the louder/fuzzier side of space. I asked
> the Herzberg folks to pick up Litmus, who were on the
> Kosmos bill (but it was cancelled), but I kinda doubt
> that will happen...the lineup is close to full now. :(
>
> I'd love to have Eloy come back and play at least a
> few more shows...I'm disappointed that Frank seems to
> be quietly disappearing from the scene. I'm on the
> yahoo list, so if they do announce any reunion dates,
> I'll post 'em.
>
>> Ideally we'd like a festival smaller than
> Glastonbury
>> which has camping, market stalls/food/real ale...
>
> Uh, Hawkfest? :)
>
> Grakkl (FAA)
>
> P.S. Mike, you gonna be at Middlesbrough? or any of
> the other 'northernish' gigs?
>
>
>
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From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 7 18:00:18 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:00:18 -0400
Subject: OFF: dr. who
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.180018.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:22:57 -0400, Ted Jackson <Tjackson at SYR.EDU> wrote:
>>>> jasret at MINDSPRING.COM 4/7/2005 3:04:03 PM >>>
>The prejudice/rascism thing would probably be the most difficult thing
>to get on tv these days, I think (although I wonder if anyone in the US
>even knows that "wog" is a rascist term ... or what it originally stood
>for).
>
>Uh, is it "Westernized 'Oriental' Gentleman?"
In my understanding, the W is for "worthy" (spoken obsequiesly). An
example of that classic British deadpan sarcasm.
>I think there's an even more racist meaning for "wog," isn't there?
I think in general it's not a nice word to use in polite company ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 7 18:03:54 2005
From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trev)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:03:54 +0100
Subject: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.230354.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
the only way to get a gig at glasters is to be a big name or to know a
promoter personally.
as far as i know prog/space music is no longer represented at glasters
the avalon stage used to put on space/prog/rock bands but this year they are
exclusively folk
trev
REAL FESTIVAL MUSIC - RFM http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk
Festival Listings, Festival Reviews, CDs, Video Downloads, News, Forum,
Chat, Healers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Henderson" <khenders64 at YAHOO.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
> --- M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
>> Well, we tried and failed to get tickets for
>> Glasters.
>
> Does anybody know the contact information (presumably
> someone that is likely to be booking the acts for
> whatever stage has the prog/space acts, if any) for
> bands looking to secure a playing spot at Glasters? I
> kinda figure the thing is already set for this year,
> but Emil of Korai Orom asked me about it. I guess
> they would like to play there soon/someday.
>
>> So where to go instead? We enjoyed the vibe of Burg
>> herzberg last year but probably won't travel that
> far > without Hawkwind/Nektar/Eloy or similar as a
> draw.
>
> Um....you *did* see my post about Nik & Space Ritual
> playing there this year, did you not? Is that not
> 'similar' enough to Hawkwind? :)
>
> Yeah, and Korai Orom is playing as well, and they're
> damn good. So is ColourHaze (Thursday night), though
> they're on the louder/fuzzier side of space. I asked
> the Herzberg folks to pick up Litmus, who were on the
> Kosmos bill (but it was cancelled), but I kinda doubt
> that will happen...the lineup is close to full now. :(
>
> I'd love to have Eloy come back and play at least a
> few more shows...I'm disappointed that Frank seems to
> be quietly disappearing from the scene. I'm on the
> yahoo list, so if they do announce any reunion dates,
> I'll post 'em.
>
>> Ideally we'd like a festival smaller than
> Glastonbury
>> which has camping, market stalls/food/real ale...
>
> Uh, Hawkfest? :)
>
> Grakkl (FAA)
>
> P.S. Mike, you gonna be at Middlesbrough? or any of
> the other 'northernish' gigs?
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Apr 7 19:14:24 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:14:24 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000801c53bbb$c241c320$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.191424.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Tony <tony.orourke at TALK21.COM>:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree?
I think they're fantastic. In fact I first heard about them from BOC-L back in
the Up The Downstairs era, picked that up, and have been a huge fan ever since.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Apr 7 19:38:26 2005
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:38:26 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <20050407191424.3lozomccks8sc04o@webmail.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.193826.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Porcupine Tree do a Magnu sounding called "Out" from the Love,
Death & Mussolini cassette.
Love Death and Mussolini
1990 (private cassette) deleted
SIDE A
Hymn (1:22)
Footprints (5:56)
Linton Samuel Dawson (3:04)
And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun (4:12)
Queen Quotes Crowley (4:40)
SIDE B
No Luck With Rabbits (0:47)
Begonia Seduction Scene (2:34)
Out (8:59)
It Will Rain for a Million Years (4:05)
I had thought that the track had been rereleased, but not sure of that.
Chris R.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of David Kuznick
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:14 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Quoting Tony <tony.orourke at TALK21.COM>:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree?
I think they're fantastic. In fact I first heard about them from BOC-L back
in
the Up The Downstairs era, picked that up, and have been a huge fan ever
since.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Apr 7 19:41:22 2005
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:41:22 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <KKEIJFEOBLDADANKABBBCEEJFEAA.chrisr@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.194122.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
That should be Magnu sounding track called "Out"
Chris R.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Chris Raymond
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:38 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Porcupine Tree do a Magnu sounding called "Out" from the Love,
Death & Mussolini cassette.
Love Death and Mussolini
1990 (private cassette) deleted
SIDE A
Hymn (1:22)
Footprints (5:56)
Linton Samuel Dawson (3:04)
And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun (4:12)
Queen Quotes Crowley (4:40)
SIDE B
No Luck With Rabbits (0:47)
Begonia Seduction Scene (2:34)
Out (8:59)
It Will Rain for a Million Years (4:05)
I had thought that the track had been rereleased, but not sure of that.
Chris R.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of David Kuznick
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:14 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Quoting Tony <tony.orourke at TALK21.COM>:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree?
I think they're fantastic. In fact I first heard about them from BOC-L back
in
the Up The Downstairs era, picked that up, and have been a huge fan ever
since.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 7 21:00:01 2005
From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:00:01 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000801c53bbb$c241c320$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.210001.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent
> convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
> during
I think I like them. I have one album (I think it's their first) that's
mostly laid back instrumental prog stuff but the first day we were in
the studio to record our new album Paul Special played the first cut
from their new one and I was quite impressed. It sounded a bit like
what we're trying to do with our new stuff. I'm tempted to download it
from iTMS because I don't have the patience to get it from the store
and maybe I only want that one cut anyway.
I have bought many tunes from iTMS and the sound is really OK. Usually
I burn it to CD and listen on my boom box or diskman. I got Frances the
Mute and it has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.
Al
From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Apr 7 21:44:00 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:44:00 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <3ec3a66f25b90a62358900dc065c4fa2@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.214400.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Albert Bouchard <ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM>:
> On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent
> > convert to
> > them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> > Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
> > during
>
> I think I like them. I have one album (I think it's their first) that's
> mostly laid back instrumental prog stuff
Al, I doubt you have the first one if that's how you describe it. It's also
tricky to define their "first" album; :-) there were some cassette-only
releases, partially collected on Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape - On the Sunday of
Life is usually considered the first "proper" album, though it was very much a
one-man-band then. The early stuff is a lot of psychedelia, with not a lot of
"prog", though there is some. It's almost like Floyd's Piper at the Gates of
Dawn, at times (Yellow Hedgrerow Dreamscape and On the Sunday of Life
especially). But they (though for a long while it was really "he"; Steve
Wilson) have changed styled a lot over the years, but I like all of it, though
In Absentia didn't really grab me, and I probably listen to that one the least.
It's funny because I saw the tour where they previewed much of it and it
sounded GREAT. Something happened on the way to the studio... I am looking
forward to the new one, Deadwing, though I know it's supposed to be a lot like
In Absentia. But they are always fantastic live, and I'll be seeing them 2nd
row center next month at the Somerville Theater here in the Boston area.
And along with King Crimson, they are my wife's favorite prog band. :-) Though
her favorite song is Radiactive Toy, and they never seem to play that anymore.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Apr 7 18:48:57 2005
From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:48:57 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Message-ID: <THU.7.APR.2005.184857.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Well, I have three of their cds; _Sky Moves Sideways_, _Staircase Infinities_, & _Signify_. Not really sure if I really like them, but haven't yet been able to part with them. It's been `well, 1 more listen and then i'll trade `em in'...3 times now; so I guess I like them more than i think i do(must be a subconcious thing).
tim 8>)...
Tony wrote:
>
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend during
> their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
> (songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too. On
> his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
> http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
> Cool!
From gg at SIO4.COM Fri Apr 8 04:56:44 2005
From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:56:44 +0200
Subject: Off: Underground Zero
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.105644.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've just received "The Elf And The Hawk" cd and I am very very
impressed by this Underground Zero!
I listened a song also from various "Friends & Relations"
compilations, and I think they were (are??) great. Anyone knows something
about them? They still exist today?
Do you know where I could buy some cd?
thanks!
ciao!, gg
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Apr 8 05:44:47 2005
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:44:47 +0100
Subject: Elf & Hawk
In-Reply-To: <291504624.20050408105644@manoweb.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.104447.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi folks,
I don't have the Elf & hawk LP or CD. could someone explain what it is,
and if its an official LP.
Regards
bristol iain
hoping to attend an outdoor hawkwind gig this year <G>
Pierluigi Fumi wrote on 4/8/2005, 9:56 AM:
> I've just received "The Elf And The Hawk" cd and I am very very
> impressed by this Underground Zero!
>
> I listened a song also from various "Friends & Relations"
> compilations, and I think they were (are??) great. Anyone knows something
> about them? They still exist today?
> Do you know where I could buy some cd?
>
> thanks!
>
> ciao!, gg
>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 8 05:50:54 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:50:54 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree/iTMS
In-Reply-To: <3ec3a66f25b90a62358900dc065c4fa2@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.105054.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/04/2005 02:00, Albert Bouchard wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tony wrote:
>> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree?
> I think I like them. I have one album (I think it's their first) that's
> mostly laid back instrumental prog stuff but the first day we were in
> the studio to record our new album Paul Special played the first cut
> from their new one and I was quite impressed. It sounded a bit like
> what we're trying to do with our new stuff. I'm tempted to download it
> from iTMS because I don't have the patience to get it from the store
> and maybe I only want that one cut anyway.
> [...]
> I have bought many tunes from iTMS and the sound is really OK. Usually
> I burn it to CD and listen on my boom box or diskman. I got Frances the
> Mute and it has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.
In the interests of science, I checked iTMS UK, and found that they
would indeed sell me Frances the Mute for 8 pounds. Then I checked
Amazon.co.uk, and found that some US-based reseller would sell me the CD
for GBP 6.20 inc. postage. Likewise for the new Porcupine Tree
(_Deadwing_, no?) sells for 9 quid on iTMS, though a few pence less for
a US-based reseller to send me the disc. So the physical media is still
the winner for me (though I have to have the patience to wait a couple
o' weeks for it to show up).
Though the point about only wanting given tracks is well taken. I dig
that Hendrix "Ezy Ryder" track from First Rays, but dunno if I'll dig
the rest of the album (I like Hendrix well enough, but I'm not a crazed
fan or anything). I'd pay 80p to get that track (though I haven't,
yet), but I'd rather pay a pound for a CD-quality audio file (though,
yeah, I listen to homemade 128kbps AACs all the time and they sound all
right).
BTW, the most downloaded tBS track on iTunes UK is "Bad Hair Day"! :)
Cheers,
Carl
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 8 06:18:34 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:18:34 +0100
Subject: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:40:20 -0700
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.111834.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Keith Henderson writes:
> P.S. Mike, you gonna be at Middlesbrough? or any of
> the other 'northernish' gigs?
The way it looks just now, Croydon is the only one I could make...
Mike
From gg at SIO4.COM Fri Apr 8 06:52:57 2005
From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:52:57 +0200
Subject: Elf & Hawk
In-Reply-To: <4256528F.6090807@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.125257.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Iain Ferguson wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I don't have the Elf & hawk LP or CD. could someone explain what it is,
> and if its an official LP.
dunno if it's official or not. It is released by blackwidow (here's
the link: )
It contains the remastering of the compilation of Hawkfan no. 12 and
the first Alan Davey EP ("Alan (the elf) Davey Solo EP"), plus some
bonus material (a cover of Spirit of the Age)
From ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT Fri Apr 8 08:14:53 2005
From: ivarsdoyle at YAHOO.IT (Ivars Doyle)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:14:53 +0200
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000801c53bbb$c241c320$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.141453.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 07/04/2005 23.50, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree?
I do like them.
I think their live album - Coma Divine - is a must have.
Favorite songs: Radioactive Toy and Not Beautiful Anymore.
Cheers
GM
--
ID of Retribution
"Like all good Dictators, I'm a sweetheart as long as you play by my
rules..." (Asia Carrera)
From youless at COX.NET Fri Apr 8 09:50:32 2005
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:50:32 -0400
Subject: Elf & Hawk
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.095032.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Iain
I reviewed it here: http://www.starfarer.net/elfhawk.html
Steve
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:44:47 +0100, Iain Ferguson <iainferguson at AOL.COM> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>I don't have the Elf & hawk LP or CD. could someone explain what it is,
>and if its an official LP.
>
>Regards
>bristol iain
>hoping to attend an outdoor hawkwind gig this year <G>
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 8 10:00:22 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:00:22 +0100
Subject: Off: Underground Zero
In-Reply-To: <291504624.20050408105644@manoweb.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.150022.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 08/04/2005 09:56, Pierluigi Fumi wrote:
> I've just received "The Elf And The Hawk" cd and I am very very
> impressed by this Underground Zero!
> I listened a song also from various "Friends & Relations"
> compilations, and I think they were (are??) great. Anyone knows something
> about them? They still exist today?
There's a web page here: <http://www.undergroundzero.co.uk/>
But it doesn't claim to have news more recent than 2002. There's an
email address on the page, but I haven't tried it!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 8 10:48:40 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:48:40 +0100
Subject: Pentrich festival
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.154840.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I just had confirmation that Hawkwind won't play the Pentrich bikers
festival this year.
A shame really. Let's hope there's a Hawkfest...
FoFP
From khenders64 at YAHOO.COM Fri Apr 8 14:23:05 2005
From: khenders64 at YAHOO.COM (Keith Henderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:23:05 -0700
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.112305.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Chris said...
--- Chris Raymond <chrisr at TIAC.NET> wrote:
> That should be Magnu sounding track called "Out"
>
> I had thought that the track had been rereleased,
> but not sure of that.
Yeah, AFAIK, it was stuck onto the vinyl (reissue)
version of 'Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape' (was it?) by
Mr. Ace of Discs, Mr. Piper, aka Gates of Dawn. In
place of the Prince cover tune. Good choice, IMHO.
It's a cool song, in any case, and goes into a version
of It Will Rain in a Million Years that is completely
different than the later version, such that this
totally obscure cassette Life, Death and Mussolini is
critical in some way to have access to. I got a CDR
transfer in fact, from some guy named Chris Raymond I
think.
Thanks for that.
Grakkl (FAA)
P.S. Yeah, Porcupine Tree, good band. They used to
be a psychedelic band. And nowadays are a prog-metal
band, with a few pop songs here and there. No matter,
still great stuff. And if you like krautrock, check
out Steven Wilson's I.E.M. (Incredible Expanding
Mindfuck)...at times, even better. Signify, and that
live album Coma Divine (recommended here by someone
else) are the best IMHO. Only Lightbulb Sun I don't
much care for. The new one *is* very much like In
Absentia (some will say *too* similar), but there are
four tracks (or so) that are real winners
irregardless. Um...is it not out worldwide yet? Here
in central Europe, it's been out 10 days or more.
Strange. In the liner notes, it says that Wilson and
some other guy have built up some sort of screenplay
or something on this 'Deadwing' story (?), so perhaps
Mr. Wilson's interested in brancing out into some more
multimedia related. I'm not sure...the lyrics are
usually abstract (and limited) enough to give very
little in terms of a coherent 'story' to any album. I
never get the 'concept' feeling from any PTree
project. And here it's the same. I should try to pay
more attention, but the lyrics are not printed in the
booklet, so it's difficult to follow along.
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From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Apr 8 14:44:22 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:44:22 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <20050408182305.98077.qmail@web51804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.144422.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Keith Henderson <khenders64 at yahoo.com>:
> Chris said...
>
> --- Chris Raymond <chrisr at TIAC.NET> wrote:
> > That should be Magnu sounding track called "Out"
> >
> > I had thought that the track had been rereleased,
> > but not sure of that.
>
> Yeah, AFAIK, it was stuck onto the vinyl (reissue)
> version of 'Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape' (was it?)
That's correct.
> by
> Mr. Ace of Discs, Mr. Piper, aka Gates of Dawn. In
> place of the Prince cover tune. Good choice, IMHO.
I like The Cross on YHD. :-P But I'd like to hear Out someday too..
> P.S. Yeah, Porcupine Tree, good band. They used to
> be a psychedelic band. And nowadays are a prog-metal
> band, with a few pop songs here and there.
I'm not sure I'd call them prog-metal, though they are a lot heavier recently.
Probably Steve Wilson hanging out and producing Opeth influence... :-)
> No matter,
> still great stuff. And if you like krautrock, check
> out Steven Wilson's I.E.M. (Incredible Expanding
> Mindfuck)...at times, even better.
Yes, that's very good stuff. As is Metanoia.
> Signify, and that
> live album Coma Divine (recommended here by someone
> else) are the best IMHO. Only Lightbulb Sun I don't
> much care for.
Took a while to grow on me, but I really like it now.
> The new one *is* very much like In
> Absentia (some will say *too* similar), but there are
> four tracks (or so) that are real winners
> irregardless. Um...is it not out worldwide yet?
No. US release is April 26th.
> Here
> in central Europe, it's been out 10 days or more.
> Strange. In the liner notes, it says that Wilson and
> some other guy have built up some sort of screenplay
> or something on this 'Deadwing' story (?), so perhaps
Video is on the website I think.
> Mr. Wilson's interested in brancing out into some more
> multimedia related. I'm not sure...the lyrics are
> usually abstract (and limited) enough to give very
> little in terms of a coherent 'story' to any album. I
> never get the 'concept' feeling from any PTree
> project. And here it's the same. I should try to pay
> more attention, but the lyrics are not printed in the
> booklet, so it's difficult to follow along.
At least he doesn't simply mumble everything anymore. :-) I like his voice a
lot.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Apr 8 15:06:47 2005
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:06:47 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <3ec3a66f25b90a62358900dc065c4fa2@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.200647.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Frances The Mute is one of the albums of 2005, in my view. Delousing The
Comatorium is also very cool.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Albert Bouchard
Sent: 08 April 2005 02:00
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent
> convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
> during
I think I like them. I have one album (I think it's their first) that's
mostly laid back instrumental prog stuff but the first day we were in
the studio to record our new album Paul Special played the first cut
from their new one and I was quite impressed. It sounded a bit like
what we're trying to do with our new stuff. I'm tempted to download it
from iTMS because I don't have the patience to get it from the store
and maybe I only want that one cut anyway.
I have bought many tunes from iTMS and the sound is really OK. Usually
I burn it to CD and listen on my boom box or diskman. I got Frances the
Mute and it has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.
Al
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Apr 8 15:13:27 2005
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:13:27 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <3ec3a66f25b90a62358900dc065c4fa2@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.APR.2005.201327.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The new CD, "Deadwing" has a number of excellent tracks. "Arriving
Somewhere But Not Here" is a fine driving rock song (12 mins long) and
"Glass Arm Shattering" is a hybrid Radiohead/Pink Floyd song. The best song
on the CD is probably the poppiest - "Lazarus". Outstanding. I've just
ordered five of their CDs - you can get "Stars Die" on 101cd.com for GBP
5.99 and "In Absentia" (2 disc) for ?5.89 from Amazon.co.uk. I have still
to order "Coma Divine" but will no doubt, very soon.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Albert Bouchard
Sent: 08 April 2005 02:00
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent
> convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
> during
I think I like them. I have one album (I think it's their first) that's
mostly laid back instrumental prog stuff but the first day we were in
the studio to record our new album Paul Special played the first cut
from their new one and I was quite impressed. It sounded a bit like
what we're trying to do with our new stuff. I'm tempted to download it
from iTMS because I don't have the patience to get it from the store
and maybe I only want that one cut anyway.
I have bought many tunes from iTMS and the sound is really OK. Usually
I burn it to CD and listen on my boom box or diskman. I got Frances the
Mute and it has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.
Al
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Apr 9 04:23:28 2005
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 04:23:28 -0400
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Atomic Bongload,
and Electronic Cottage shows
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.042328.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
April 9, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS
We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show
#124), The Atomic Bongload (show #10), and The Electronic Cottage (show
#12). You can go directly to the Radio shows page at:
http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
AURAL INNOVATIONS CD MAIL ORDER: I've got one more new goodie that just
arrived. This will be it until the new mail order store is done, which is
coming along nicely. But it's not ready yet so like last week I've NOT
updated the old catalog. So if you're interested in this please email me at
jkranitz at aural-innovations.com and I'll hook you up.
V.A. - "Psytrax 1"... This is Andy G's new Space/Psych/Stoner Rock
compilation, featuring tracks from Litmus, Space Mirrors, Jet Jaguar, Wall
of Sleep, Voodoo Shock, Alien Dream, Melodic Energy Commission,
Architectural Metaphor, Dr Hasbeen, Spaceseed, Quarkspace, Spacehead, Helios
Creed, ST 37, and a track from ex-Hawkwind guitarist JERRY RICHARDS recorded
EXCLUSIVELY for this compilation. Psytrax comes in very simple packaging to
keep production costs to the bare minimum, and in that spirit I'm selling it
for a mere $4 (shipping included for those in the US/Canada). That should
encourage EVERYBODY to check it out.
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #124)
Nihil Project ? ?Samhain? (from Samhain)
Guild Navigators ? ?Dy-Maxion? (from Phase 2)
Scattered Planets ? ?New Age? (from You've Been Duplicated: Burning Chrome
to Disc in the Cyberage)
THTX ? ?Voyage Into Space? (from Ultimately)
My Education ? ?Dirty Hands? (from Italian)
Nifty Eagu + The Glo-Pilots ? ?Talking to the Sun #2? (from Glo-Balisation)
Tom Mungenast ? ?Candles? (from The Un-Stable Boy)
Meathawk & the Meathawks ? ?Meathawk vs. Babylon? (from Meathawk in Battle)
Fighting Catz ? ?Chromatic Candlelight Opera? (from Fighting Catz)
Systems Theory - "Green Miata Baja Bound" (from Soundtracks for Imaginary
Movies)
Radio Dystopia ? ?A Conversation With The Universe? (from Soundclick.com page)
Neumeier-Genrich-Schmidt ? ?Electric Junk? (from Psychedelic Monsterjam)
The Atomic Bongload (show #10)
The Atomic Bongload was created to give an audio spotlight to the Stoner
Rock and general HEAVY music we review at Aural Innovations.
Listen to the show to find out how you can win a FREE CD from Small Stone
label artists SASQUATCH or BOTTOM, or a Sasquatch T-Shirt.
Sasquatch ? ?Chemical Lady? (from Sasquatch)
Superheavygoatass ? ?MS? (from 60,000 Years)
Blood Farmers ? ?Bullet In My Head? (from Permanent Brain Damage)
RPG ? ?Paralyzed? (from Full Time)
25 Suaves ? ?Give It Up? (from I Want It Loud)
Valis ? ?Voyager? (from Head Full of Pills)
Bottom ? ?The Same? (from You?r Next)
Porn ? ?Glory Will Be Mine? (from Wine, Women and Song)
SubArachnoid Space ? ?Honorable Mention? (from The Red Veil)
Low Ton ? ?Mouse? (from Dead Words)
Shiver ? ?Tough As Nails? (from San Francisco?s Shiver)
Rick Ray ? ?The Casualty Store? (from Night Of The Living Dedicated)
Neurotic ? ?The Walrus? (from Mazy Craniacs)
The Electronic Cottage (show #12)
The Electronic Cottage was created to give an audio spotlight to the
ambient, cosmic space, and general electronic sound explorations we receive
at Aural Innovations. The show is named after Hal McGee's zine of the same
name that published in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
Alisa Corral?s Neutron Star ? ?PSR 0820 + 02? (from Alisa Corral?s Neutron Star)
Phinney/McGee ? ?Incident On The Space Elevator? (from Escape From Earth)
The New Digital Sound ? ?Real You (Retreating Again)? (from The Depressed
American Dream)
Kyron ? track 13 (from Whims V.2)
Zavoloka ? ?Plavyna (Silt)? (from Plavyna)
Mikhail Chekalin ? ?Green Symphony Part 4? (from Green Symphony / Borderline
State)
Mikhail Chekalin ? ?Ostinato-Asthenia? (from Meditative Music for a Prepared
Organ Volume 2)
Psychic Space Invasion ? track 1 (from And The Cows Go Mu)
Eluvium ? ?One? (from Talk Amongst The Trees)
The Moglass ? ?Untitled (Tawny Owl)? (from Snake-Tongued Swallow-Tailed)
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 9 15:09:33 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:09:33 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.200933.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
"The Unquiet Dead" - the Top 10 Doctor Who story to be sure! Nobody does
Victoriana like the BBC and this was Top Draw material, absolutely
fantastic!
Abie
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 9 16:01:01 2005
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:01:01 -0400
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.160101.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:09:33 +0100, Ian Abrahams
<ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
>"The Unquiet Dead" - the Top 10 Doctor Who story to be sure! Nobody does
>Victoriana like the BBC and this was Top Draw material, absolutely
>fantastic!
It was ludicrous... utterly preposterous. I really enjoyed it :-)
But there was one thing I strongly disliked- Christopher Ecclestone. The
goofy smile and air of forced flippancy aren't working IMHO. It's surprising
that such a fine actor has gone for such a two-dimensional portrayal.
The trailer for next week's episode looked great though.
Nick
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 9 16:43:55 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:43:55 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.214355.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> But there was one thing I strongly disliked- Christopher Ecclestone.
Christopher Eccleston, on the other hand, was superb ;-)
Abie
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 9 16:56:12 2005
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:56:12 -0400
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.165612.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:43:55 +0100, Ian Abrahams
<ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick Medford" <nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>
>> But there was one thing I strongly disliked- Christopher Ecclestone.
>
>Christopher Eccleston, on the other hand, was superb ;-)
Quite right on the spelling, I am indebted. But did you really think he was
superb?
Nick
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 9 18:15:56 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:15:56 +0100
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.231556.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >> But there was one thing I strongly disliked- Christopher Ecclestone.
> >
> >Christopher Eccleston, on the other hand, was superb ;-)
>
> Quite right on the spelling, I am indebted. But did you really think he
was
> superb?
Yeah, I think he's very good indeed - on a par with the first five.
Abie
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 9 18:39:31 2005
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:39:31 -0400
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.183931.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>Yeah, I think he's very good indeed - on a par with the first five.
Hmmm... there were certain points in tonight's episode where I found myself
imagining how Tom Baker would have delivered the line, and I thought Tom
sounded so much better...
While watching the show I enjoyed a bowl of Angel Delight, a packet of
Spangles, and a couple of Ski yoghurts, and as soon as it was over I took
out a load of old photos from my childhood and gazed at them through a
specially constructed rose-tinted viewer while riding my Chopper bike.
;-)
Nick
From GutterCat at AOL.COM Sat Apr 9 20:12:20 2005
From: GutterCat at AOL.COM (GutterCat at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:12:20 EDT
Subject: dr. who
Message-ID: <SAT.9.APR.2005.201220.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 09/04/05 23:40:10 GMT Daylight Time,
nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> While watching the show I enjoyed a bowl of Angel Delight, a packet of
> Spangles, and a couple of Ski yoghurts, and as soon as it was over I took
> out a load of old photos from my childhood and gazed at them through a
> specially constructed rose-tinted viewer while riding my Chopper bike.
>
All whilst listening to Hawkwind of course.
Thoroughly enjoyed tonights Dr Who. Can't wait for next weeks.
Have a look at this site:
http://www.pne-online.co.uk/timemeddlers/
Earlier.
Steve.
From gg at SIO4.COM Sun Apr 10 05:00:21 2005
From: gg at SIO4.COM (Pierluigi Fumi)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:00:21 +0200
Subject: Elf & Hawk
In-Reply-To: <1452146465.20050408125257@manoweb.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.APR.2005.110021.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Pierluigi Fumi wrote:
> dunno if it's official or not. It is released by blackwidow (here's
> the link: )
uhmm... someone eat the link... here it is:
http://www.blackwidow.it/catalog-query.php?ID=26
From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Apr 10 13:50:42 2005
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:50:42 +0100
Subject: HW: Collectors item!
Message-ID: <SUN.10.APR.2005.185042.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Anybody interested in a REAL piece of Hawkwind memorabilia should check out
www.vemia.co.uk and go to the auction rooms, lot number 4372....it's not
cheap but it sure is interesting.
Keith
LucidSounDs.
From youless at COX.NET Sun Apr 10 14:31:38 2005
From: youless at COX.NET (Steve Youles)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:31:38 -0400
Subject: HW: Collectors item!
Message-ID: <SUN.10.APR.2005.143138.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://www.spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=4372 takes you straight to it
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:50:42 +0100, Captain Bl at ck <starfield at SUPANET.COM> wrote:
>Anybody interested in a REAL piece of Hawkwind memorabilia should check out
>www.vemia.co.uk and go to the auction rooms, lot number 4372....it's not
>cheap but it sure is interesting.
>
>Keith
>LucidSounDs.
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Apr 10 15:45:37 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:45:37 -0400
Subject: HW: Collectors item!
Message-ID: <SUN.10.APR.2005.154537.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Unfortunately, www.spheremusic.com is riddled with more javascript errors
than Mission Control, so I can't get there, but I assume that this is the HW
-> Nik/ICU -> N.F. (purchased after the final ICU gig) (and fixed-up by
capt. Bl at ck) Synthi? If I didn't already own the Wiard modular
(http://www.wiard.com), I would have been bombarding the owner with offers
before he had a chance to put it up on Vemia ...
(Steve Pond, speak up if you're in the house!)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:31:38 -0400, Steve Youles <youless at COX.NET> wrote:
>http://www.spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=4372 takes you straight
>to it
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:50:42 +0100, Captain Bl at ck <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
wrote:
>
>>Anybody interested in a REAL piece of Hawkwind memorabilia should check
>>out www.vemia.co.uk and go to the auction rooms, lot number 4372....it's
>>not cheap but it sure is interesting.
>>
>>Keith
>>LucidSounDs.
From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Sun Apr 10 20:44:56 2005
From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:44:56 -0500
Subject: Collectors item!
Message-ID: <SUN.10.APR.2005.194456.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
hmmm.... if this webpage only worked, I'd be able to have a look!
John Majka
> Anybody interested in a REAL piece of Hawkwind memorabilia should check
> out
> www.vemia.co.uk and go to the auction rooms, lot number 4372....it's not
> cheap but it sure is interesting.
>
> Keith
> LucidSounDs.
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 11 08:55:47 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:55:47 +0100
Subject: OFF: Jerry Cornelius and TV racism (was: dr. who)
In-Reply-To: <s2555059.074@gwia201.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.135547.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Ted Jackson wrote:
> >>> jasret at MINDSPRING.COM 4/7/2005 3:04:03 PM >>>
>
> The prejudice/rascism thing would probably be the most difficult thing
> to
> get on tv these days, I think (although I wonder if anyone in the US
> even
> knows that "wog" is a rascist term ... or what it originally stood
> for).
>
> Uh, is it "Westernized 'Oriental' Gentleman?"
"Wily", originally, I think, but I get all this second-hand.
> I think there's an even more racist meaning for "wog," isn't there?
Oh probably. I mean you could easily update the Cornelius stuff
with the terms used then that have survived, but the closest I've ever
seen anyone get to this stuff on TV was a Fawlty Towers episode where the
retired General tells of being horrified to hear someone describing the
Indian cricket team as niggers, on the grounds that "these people are
wogs!", and that was in the 80s originally, and even lampooning racism has
become a lot more dicey since then. The trouble is that it's not not done
just because no-one cares any more, in the way that for most English-
speakers Victorian frothing about "Popery" is just inaccessible and
pointless, but because it's felt to be too dangerous to discuss, and I'm
not sure that confining racists or portrayals of racism to the leaflets of
pressure groups and the wrong side of discrimination suits doesn't just
offer us a way of pretending the problem isn't real any more.
The Cornelius stuff is interesting in this respect, and not alone
in Moorcock's writing in doing it, because it comes out of and catches the
point where you have the old and new worlds colliding, in fact I think
that's the main reason Professor Hira, wherever he crops up, is who he is,
it's so that Moorcock has a vehicle to illustrate how some of his
characters are prejudiced in terms of racism, sexuality, patriotism and
religion and others just don't care and are moving easily through the
disintegrating ethics. Of course it's two-edged because Cornelius, at
least in the books where he's most developed and not just a cut-out hero,
doesn't care a great deal too much and lots of people are always trying to
get him to care about what they do.
Anyway. Too much tea today perhaps, sorry, yours,
Jon
ObCD: Motorhead - _Bomber_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 11 09:44:41 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:44:41 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000801c53bbb$c241c320$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.144441.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend during
> their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
> (songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too. On
> his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
> http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
> Cool!
I'm kind of ambivalent about Porcupine Tree these days, which is
sad because they're the band I own most records by after Hawkwind by a
pretty clear margin. The trouble is partly that a lot of that material is
duplicated because they went through a period between record deals when
they were really milking the fanbsase with re-release stuff with only a
few new tracks on it, and I got sufficiently fed up of this that when _In
Absentia_ came out in the US and was only available here on import I
didn't get it because by then was sure that the eventual European release
would have bonus tracks on it.
The other reason is that I got into the band just after they
released _The Sky Moves Sideways_ which point Steven Wilson played guitar
like Dave Gilmour, they were doing huge long atmospheric prog pieces and
tended to play fairly small spaces with Fruit Salad Lights who have also
got less interesting since then, not tailoring their illuminations to the
material and so on. The gig of theirs I saw in the late lamented Boat
Race in Cambridge, which held about 200 people if you packed them in like
sardines, and they were, with full light show, has got to be one of the
most intense gig experiences I've ever had. And _Signify_ and so on held
out the promise at this was going to be the band that did something new
with the whole English psychedelic progressive crossover field that
no-one's otherwise got over early Floyd in. Then everything went quiet
except for re-release rarities and so on, they left their label (which
died) and when they finally re-emerged it was with what I felt was a
terribly uneasy attempt to mix the old lengthy prog with a new set of
poppy singles which all sounded alike (this was _Stupid Dream_--unlike
Keith H. I think this easily their worst album and is far worse than
_Lightbulb Sun_ which actually managed to blend the styles
convincingly) and from then on it just never got as interesting again.
I do like _In Absentia_, and there's no doubt that Steven Wilson
is developing all the time as a songwriter, but there's something
distinctively his about PT material, and indeed the stuff he's written
with Opeth, which these days I find dampens any excitement. The
I. E. M. stuff and Bass Communion stuff also have their distinctive
flavours but I haven't yet got bored of those; I imagine I easily could
though. The early stuff, where each album was effectively by a different
band, and that `voice' wasn't as set, still interests me much more. I play
all the albums except _Stupid Dream_ now and again, and I'd hold up
_Signify_ as one of the best albums Delerium ever released. The triple LP
_Coma Divine_ is a gorgeous thing to own, and _Stars Die_ is a proper
obsessive's box-set at bargain price for what you get. But, I am no longer
very fanatic. Haven't seen them in ages because I don't expect to be
surprised any more. I really should, but it seems difficult to believe
it's going to be worth the effort because they won't do what I associate
with the name.
When I finally get round to getting the new one I may change my
mind, but reviews so far don't make it seem likely. Let me see if I can
frame this simply. When _Signify_ came out, there was nothing else around
which did that and this was a band at the top of its game. When _Stupid
Dream_ came out I got it at roughly the same time as Blur's self-titled,
and the Britpop darlings had the supposed champions of the British
underground out-psychdelicked in the first fifteen minutes. (That Blur
album I would still say is really a great little pysch album, especially
once you get the earphones on and start listening to what the guitar parts
actually *are*.) Likewise, when _In Absentia_ came out it was more or less
at the same point as Queens of the Stone Age's _Songs for the Deaf_, both
bands with a mixed history going determinedly for the MTV2 jugular without
compromising their actual quality of material as I saw it, and _Songs for
the Deaf_ is by far the better album for me. These days PT are no longer
the biggest and shiniest fish in a small pool but averagely remarkable
fish in a much bigger sea, and they're not doing what made them stand out
any more. So it seems to me, anyway, yours,
Jon
ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 11 10:01:10 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:01:10 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree/iTMS
In-Reply-To: <425653FE.6090405@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.150110.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> Though the point about only wanting given tracks is well taken. I dig
> that Hendrix "Ezy Ryder" track from First Rays, but dunno if I'll dig
> the rest of the album (I like Hendrix well enough, but I'm not a crazed
> fan or anything). I'd pay 80p to get that track (though I haven't,
> yet), but I'd rather pay a pound for a CD-quality audio file (though,
> yeah, I listen to homemade 128kbps AACs all the time and they sound all
> right).
Speaking as a crazed fan, I think you should definitely get the
whole album because it's got some great stuff on it, most especially the
title track but a bunch of others too. It's very much as if the Hendrix
family gathered up all the posthumous releases, put the best stuff onto
that disc (_First Rays of the New Rising Sun_) and then piled the rest
onto _South Saturn Delta_ for the hardcore fans only. There is some
interesting stuff on the latter, but it's in no way the coherent album it
sort of looks like, and a significant portion of it is variant versions of
stuff on other discs. _New Rising Sun_ however is probably a fair attempt
at putting together the _Electric Ladyland_ follow-up it was supposed to
be.
But you as I recall don't have _Axis_ and that's something you
should really sort out first! :-) Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jmajk at INDY.RR.COM Mon Apr 11 10:33:57 2005
From: jmajk at INDY.RR.COM (John Majka)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:33:57 -0500
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.093357.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I do enjoy Porcupine Tree quite a bit, but In Absentia left me cold. To my
ears, it sounds rather derivative of the then-current metal fashion (which
is, thankfully, already fading). I am extremely disappointed to hear that
Deadwing is supposedly in a similar metal-ish vein. All of that sort of
faux-gothic imagery and lyrical content is... funny! It seems there is
quite a bit of criticism of Lightbulb Sun, but I still think that album is
their most fully realized one, in that it successfully blends their rambling
psychedelic tendencies with song structures and very solid lyrics. Stupid
Dream is a close second.
John Majka
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
>
>> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert
>> to
>> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
>> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
>> during
>> their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
>> (songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too.
>> On
>> his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
>> http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
>> Cool!
>
> I'm kind of ambivalent about Porcupine Tree these days, which is
> sad because they're the band I own most records by after Hawkwind by a
> pretty clear margin. The trouble is partly that a lot of that material is
> duplicated because they went through a period between record deals when
> they were really milking the fanbsase with re-release stuff with only a
> few new tracks on it, and I got sufficiently fed up of this that when _In
> Absentia_ came out in the US and was only available here on import I
> didn't get it because by then was sure that the eventual European release
> would have bonus tracks on it.
>
> The other reason is that I got into the band just after they
> released _The Sky Moves Sideways_ which point Steven Wilson played guitar
> like Dave Gilmour, they were doing huge long atmospheric prog pieces and
> tended to play fairly small spaces with Fruit Salad Lights who have also
> got less interesting since then, not tailoring their illuminations to the
> material and so on. The gig of theirs I saw in the late lamented Boat
> Race in Cambridge, which held about 200 people if you packed them in like
> sardines, and they were, with full light show, has got to be one of the
> most intense gig experiences I've ever had. And _Signify_ and so on held
> out the promise at this was going to be the band that did something new
> with the whole English psychedelic progressive crossover field that
> no-one's otherwise got over early Floyd in. Then everything went quiet
> except for re-release rarities and so on, they left their label (which
> died) and when they finally re-emerged it was with what I felt was a
> terribly uneasy attempt to mix the old lengthy prog with a new set of
> poppy singles which all sounded alike (this was _Stupid Dream_--unlike
> Keith H. I think this easily their worst album and is far worse than
> _Lightbulb Sun_ which actually managed to blend the styles
> convincingly) and from then on it just never got as interesting again.
>
> I do like _In Absentia_, and there's no doubt that Steven Wilson
> is developing all the time as a songwriter, but there's something
> distinctively his about PT material, and indeed the stuff he's written
> with Opeth, which these days I find dampens any excitement. The
> I. E. M. stuff and Bass Communion stuff also have their distinctive
> flavours but I haven't yet got bored of those; I imagine I easily could
> though. The early stuff, where each album was effectively by a different
> band, and that `voice' wasn't as set, still interests me much more. I play
> all the albums except _Stupid Dream_ now and again, and I'd hold up
> _Signify_ as one of the best albums Delerium ever released. The triple LP
> _Coma Divine_ is a gorgeous thing to own, and _Stars Die_ is a proper
> obsessive's box-set at bargain price for what you get. But, I am no longer
> very fanatic. Haven't seen them in ages because I don't expect to be
> surprised any more. I really should, but it seems difficult to believe
> it's going to be worth the effort because they won't do what I associate
> with the name.
>
> When I finally get round to getting the new one I may change my
> mind, but reviews so far don't make it seem likely. Let me see if I can
> frame this simply. When _Signify_ came out, there was nothing else around
> which did that and this was a band at the top of its game. When _Stupid
> Dream_ came out I got it at roughly the same time as Blur's self-titled,
> and the Britpop darlings had the supposed champions of the British
> underground out-psychdelicked in the first fifteen minutes. (That Blur
> album I would still say is really a great little pysch album, especially
> once you get the earphones on and start listening to what the guitar parts
> actually *are*.) Likewise, when _In Absentia_ came out it was more or less
> at the same point as Queens of the Stone Age's _Songs for the Deaf_, both
> bands with a mixed history going determinedly for the MTV2 jugular without
> compromising their actual quality of material as I saw it, and _Songs for
> the Deaf_ is by far the better album for me. These days PT are no longer
> the biggest and shiniest fish in a small pool but averagely remarkable
> fish in a much bigger sea, and they're not doing what made them stand out
> any more. So it seems to me, anyway, yours,
> Jon
>
> ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
> --
> Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
> jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
> "As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
> So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
> (Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Apr 11 10:50:56 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:50:56 +0100
Subject: OFF: Hendrixy things
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504111455490.17772-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.155056.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 11/04/2005 15:01, Jon Jarrett wrote re Hendrix's _First Rays_:
> Speaking as a crazed fan, I think you should definitely get the
> whole album because it's got some great stuff on it, most especially the
> title track but a bunch of others too. It's very much as if the Hendrix
> family gathered up all the posthumous releases, put the best stuff onto
> that disc (_First Rays of the New Rising Sun_) and then piled the rest
> onto _South Saturn Delta_ for the hardcore fans only.
> But you as I recall don't have _Axis_ and that's something you
> should really sort out first! :-)
Yeah, I'm still not sure which Axis is the right Axis. What are the
details for the most recent UK (Experience Hendrix?) reissues?
Well, in any case, both can be had pretty cheaply on Amazon.co.uk, so
I'll have to add them to the list of "stuff to get" when I have the
cash, Marshall buoys, and Fender controls ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 11 15:29:58 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:29:58 +0100
Subject: HW: Festivals - info wanted
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.202958.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Come and see Litmus at the Doghouse in Dundee on April 23rd:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: HW: NIK: Festivals - info wanted
> Keith Henderson writes:
>
> > P.S. Mike, you gonna be at Middlesbrough? or any of
> > the other 'northernish' gigs?
>
> The way it looks just now, Croydon is the only one I could make...
>
> Mike
>
From greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Apr 11 15:39:13 2005
From: greenhalgh.david at NTLWORLD.COM (David Greenhalgh)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:39:13 +0100
Subject: Collectors item!
In-Reply-To: <000e01c53e2f$aec0e7b0$6701a8c0@MAJKA>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.203913.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Worked for me.
Here is the item description for any who can't read it.
A wonderful Synthi AKS, in perfect playing condition, with some
excellent mods, and a fascinating history. The EMS is originally
thought to have belonged to Tim Blake, who sold it to Nik Turner (they
shared a flat in London in 1973). Nik used it with Hawkwind, as did
Simon House apparently, and Nik took it with him when he left in 1976.
It was then used with his successive band, Inner City Unit, and sold
after their last gig. It has the following modifications: 1.
Oscillator temperature stabilisation on VCO's 1 & 2. 2. A 3.5mm Gate
Input socket, which accepts positive triggers (ie Roland, Kenton
Midi/CV etc). 3. Oscillator sync on VCO2. The source can be either
VCO's 1 or 3. 4. Oscillator shape modulation, via the 2mm connector
near the patchboard. A lead is included so that any source can be used
via the patchboard. 5. Input Channel 2 keyboard disable switch. Useful
if you want to process external signals whilst the sequencer is
connected. 6. Sequencer transpose switch. Normal position is to the
left. Once a sequence is running, move the switch to the right and the
keyboard can be used to transpose the sequence to any key. It suffered
one or two little accidents in the heat of the moment live, including
apparently once being thrown right across the stage during one
particularly good argument. But it has been superbly restored by Lucid
Sound, with the invaluable help of Robin at EMS - who reconditioned the
reverb, supplied replacement parts and offered great advice. The
outside of the case has the Inner City Unit logo sprayed on it in a
cavalier fashion, and the metalwork of the case is tarnished. All knobs
and pins are excellent; the surface has some wear, but everything with
the exception of a few numbers round the left output knob is easily
readable. In certain lights you can see the remains of some felt-tip
crosses showing a favourite patch on the matrix. The sequencer overlay
is new old stock. This is a truly great instrument. The sync is
stunning, picking out beautiful harmonic arpeggios that sound like a
brilliant sequence; and the sequence transpose itself is something that
every AKS should have - excellent.
On 11 Apr 2005, at 01:44, John Majka wrote:
> hmmm.... if this webpage only worked, I'd be able to have a look!
> John Majka
>
>
>> Anybody interested in a REAL piece of Hawkwind memorabilia should
>> check
>> out
>> www.vemia.co.uk and go to the auction rooms, lot number 4372....it's
>> not
>> cheap but it sure is interesting.
>>
>> Keith
>> LucidSounDs.
>
From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Apr 11 19:25:03 2005
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:25:03 -0400
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504111413380.3218-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.APR.2005.192503.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
-----Original Message-----
I was ambivalent about PT for about a year. I snapped out of it when I saw
Blackfield in Boston a few weeks ago. The Blackfield album, although short
in length and has short songs is a very nice CD. I think Deadwing is an
amazing album. When I first heard it, I thought it was okay, I didn't play
again for a few days, but now I think it is stunning. PT is on tour in
Europe right now and longtime fans as well as newer fans are reporting the
PT List that these gigs are fantastic. Today, Deadwing is my favorite album
although my usual favorite is On The Sunday of Life. I will be seeing them
in Boston when they swing through on May 18. I am very excited!!!!!
Sorry for the continued off topic discussion, but there is no new Hawkwind
CD to talk about. Maybe Take Me To Your Leader should be renamed Distant
Horizons II
Chris R.
I'm kind of ambivalent about Porcupine Tree these days, which is
sad because they're the band I own most records by after Hawkwind by a
pretty clear margin. The trouble is partly that a lot of that material is
duplicated because they went through a period between record deals when
they were really milking the fanbsase with re-release stuff with only a
few new tracks on it, and I got sufficiently fed up of this that when _In
Absentia_ came out in the US and was only available here on import I
didn't get it because by then was sure that the eventual European release
would have bonus tracks on it.
The other reason is that I got into the band just after they
released _The Sky Moves Sideways_ which point Steven Wilson played guitar
like Dave Gilmour, they were doing huge long atmospheric prog pieces and
tended to play fairly small spaces with Fruit Salad Lights who have also
got less interesting since then, not tailoring their illuminations to the
material and so on. The gig of theirs I saw in the late lamented Boat
Race in Cambridge, which held about 200 people if you packed them in like
sardines, and they were, with full light show, has got to be one of the
most intense gig experiences I've ever had. And _Signify_ and so on held
out the promise at this was going to be the band that did something new
with the whole English psychedelic progressive crossover field that
no-one's otherwise got over early Floyd in. Then everything went quiet
except for re-release rarities and so on, they left their label (which
died) and when they finally re-emerged it was with what I felt was a
terribly uneasy attempt to mix the old lengthy prog with a new set of
poppy singles which all sounded alike (this was _Stupid Dream_--unlike
Keith H. I think this easily their worst album and is far worse than
_Lightbulb Sun_ which actually managed to blend the styles
convincingly) and from then on it just never got as interesting again.
I do like _In Absentia_, and there's no doubt that Steven Wilson
is developing all the time as a songwriter, but there's something
distinctively his about PT material, and indeed the stuff he's written
with Opeth, which these days I find dampens any excitement. The
I. E. M. stuff and Bass Communion stuff also have their distinctive
flavours but I haven't yet got bored of those; I imagine I easily could
though. The early stuff, where each album was effectively by a different
band, and that `voice' wasn't as set, still interests me much more. I play
all the albums except _Stupid Dream_ now and again, and I'd hold up
_Signify_ as one of the best albums Delerium ever released. The triple LP
_Coma Divine_ is a gorgeous thing to own, and _Stars Die_ is a proper
obsessive's box-set at bargain price for what you get. But, I am no longer
very fanatic. Haven't seen them in ages because I don't expect to be
surprised any more. I really should, but it seems difficult to believe
it's going to be worth the effort because they won't do what I associate
with the name.
When I finally get round to getting the new one I may change my
mind, but reviews so far don't make it seem likely. Let me see if I can
frame this simply. When _Signify_ came out, there was nothing else around
which did that and this was a band at the top of its game. When _Stupid
Dream_ came out I got it at roughly the same time as Blur's self-titled,
and the Britpop darlings had the supposed champions of the British
underground out-psychdelicked in the first fifteen minutes. (That Blur
album I would still say is really a great little pysch album, especially
once you get the earphones on and start listening to what the guitar parts
actually *are*.) Likewise, when _In Absentia_ came out it was more or less
at the same point as Queens of the Stone Age's _Songs for the Deaf_, both
bands with a mixed history going determinedly for the MTV2 jugular without
compromising their actual quality of material as I saw it, and _Songs for
the Deaf_ is by far the better album for me. These days PT are no longer
the biggest and shiniest fish in a small pool but averagely remarkable
fish in a much bigger sea, and they're not doing what made them stand out
any more. So it seems to me, anyway, yours,
Jon
ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 12 19:35:16 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:35:16 -0400
Subject: OFF: multiverse.org ?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.APR.2005.193516.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
The Michael Moorcock website seems to be down at the moment ... does
anyone know whether this is a temporary or permanent condition?
(Reason for checking: one of his favorite social theorists/authors died
yesterday and I was wondering if he had any comment yet.)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 12 19:53:09 2005
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:53:09 EDT
Subject: OFF: multiverse.org ?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.APR.2005.195309.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/12/2005 6:40:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes:
The Michael Moorcock website seems to be down at the moment ... does
anyone know whether this is a temporary or permanent condition?
I just checked. Seems to be working fine.
If you're referring to Andrea Dworkin, yes, there's a thread in the 'Q&A'
Forum.
Joe
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Wed Apr 13 05:17:36 2005
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:17:36 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504111413380.3218-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.101736.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon
When did the Boatrace in Cambridge close? I used to go there a fair bit
when I lived in Cambridge!
Didn't PT just play The Junction?
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Jon Jarrett
Sent: 11 April 2005 14:45
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
during
> their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
> (songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too. On
> his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
> http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
> Cool!
I'm kind of ambivalent about Porcupine Tree these days, which is
sad because they're the band I own most records by after Hawkwind by a
pretty clear margin. The trouble is partly that a lot of that material is
duplicated because they went through a period between record deals when
they were really milking the fanbsase with re-release stuff with only a
few new tracks on it, and I got sufficiently fed up of this that when _In
Absentia_ came out in the US and was only available here on import I
didn't get it because by then was sure that the eventual European release
would have bonus tracks on it.
The other reason is that I got into the band just after they
released _The Sky Moves Sideways_ which point Steven Wilson played guitar
like Dave Gilmour, they were doing huge long atmospheric prog pieces and
tended to play fairly small spaces with Fruit Salad Lights who have also
got less interesting since then, not tailoring their illuminations to the
material and so on. The gig of theirs I saw in the late lamented Boat
Race in Cambridge, which held about 200 people if you packed them in like
sardines, and they were, with full light show, has got to be one of the
most intense gig experiences I've ever had. And _Signify_ and so on held
out the promise at this was going to be the band that did something new
with the whole English psychedelic progressive crossover field that
no-one's otherwise got over early Floyd in. Then everything went quiet
except for re-release rarities and so on, they left their label (which
died) and when they finally re-emerged it was with what I felt was a
terribly uneasy attempt to mix the old lengthy prog with a new set of
poppy singles which all sounded alike (this was _Stupid Dream_--unlike
Keith H. I think this easily their worst album and is far worse than
_Lightbulb Sun_ which actually managed to blend the styles
convincingly) and from then on it just never got as interesting again.
I do like _In Absentia_, and there's no doubt that Steven Wilson
is developing all the time as a songwriter, but there's something
distinctively his about PT material, and indeed the stuff he's written
with Opeth, which these days I find dampens any excitement. The
I. E. M. stuff and Bass Communion stuff also have their distinctive
flavours but I haven't yet got bored of those; I imagine I easily could
though. The early stuff, where each album was effectively by a different
band, and that `voice' wasn't as set, still interests me much more. I play
all the albums except _Stupid Dream_ now and again, and I'd hold up
_Signify_ as one of the best albums Delerium ever released. The triple LP
_Coma Divine_ is a gorgeous thing to own, and _Stars Die_ is a proper
obsessive's box-set at bargain price for what you get. But, I am no longer
very fanatic. Haven't seen them in ages because I don't expect to be
surprised any more. I really should, but it seems difficult to believe
it's going to be worth the effort because they won't do what I associate
with the name.
When I finally get round to getting the new one I may change my
mind, but reviews so far don't make it seem likely. Let me see if I can
frame this simply. When _Signify_ came out, there was nothing else around
which did that and this was a band at the top of its game. When _Stupid
Dream_ came out I got it at roughly the same time as Blur's self-titled,
and the Britpop darlings had the supposed champions of the British
underground out-psychdelicked in the first fifteen minutes. (That Blur
album I would still say is really a great little pysch album, especially
once you get the earphones on and start listening to what the guitar parts
actually *are*.) Likewise, when _In Absentia_ came out it was more or less
at the same point as Queens of the Stone Age's _Songs for the Deaf_, both
bands with a mixed history going determinedly for the MTV2 jugular without
compromising their actual quality of material as I saw it, and _Songs for
the Deaf_ is by far the better album for me. These days PT are no longer
the biggest and shiniest fish in a small pool but averagely remarkable
fish in a much bigger sea, and they're not doing what made them stand out
any more. So it seems to me, anyway, yours,
Jon
ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Apr 13 05:43:56 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:43:56 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000001c54009$a2347f80$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.104356.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 13/04/2005 10:17, Tony wrote:
> When did the Boatrace in Cambridge close? I used to go there a fair bit
> when I lived in Cambridge!
In the last year or so -- it's now a trendy looking bistro-ish place.
Rumour has it that the people who run the Junction have applied to
open/build a new place of the same size as the Boat Race (since it's
license is free) but I don't know a) that this is true b) whether any
progress has been made if it is.
Cambridge is now equipped with the barn-like Corn Exchange (where HW
played last year), the Junction (decent but not an ideal location at
present), and then a couple of "pubs with little stages" like the
Portland Arms and Man on the Moon. The Boat Race is sorely missed!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 13 06:33:34 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:33:34 +0100
Subject: OFF: multiverse.org ?
In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:35:16 -0400
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.113334.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Doug Pearson writes:
> The Michael Moorcock website seems to be down at the moment ... does
> anyone know whether this is a temporary or permanent condition?
>
> (Reason for checking: one of his favorite social theorists/authors died
> yesterday and I was wondering if he had any comment yet.)
Dworkin The Censor? Yeah, what's with that?
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 13 09:32:50 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:32:50 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.143250.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Looks like there's some German source offering the rare CD's on Ebay.
Warrior and 25 Years On at least come with extra tracks.
Presumably these aren't official?
Also noticed in te shops the CD's "On Sundown" and "Codename Hawkwind".
I dunno if the latter is one of the two previously released under that
name but On Sundown looks like it could be Space Ritual Volume Two.
FoFP
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Wed Apr 13 10:10:03 2005
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:10:03 -0500
Subject: OFF: multiverse.org ?
In-Reply-To: <200504131033.j3DAXYI7004348@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.091003.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yes he had a bunch of comment, since she was one of his close personal
friends.
Rich
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Subject: Re: OFF: multiverse.org ?
Doug Pearson writes:
> The Michael Moorcock website seems to be down at the moment ... does
> anyone know whether this is a temporary or permanent condition?
>
> (Reason for checking: one of his favorite social theorists/authors died
> yesterday and I was wondering if he had any comment yet.)
Dworkin The Censor? Yeah, what's with that?
FoFP
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 13 16:08:30 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:08:30 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000001c54009$a2347f80$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.210830.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
> When did the Boatrace in Cambridge close? I used to go there a fair bit
> when I lived in Cambridge!
January, sad sad tale. The brewery decided they were going to
refurbish it, and the landlord, who'd been behind its music scene for the
last few years, asked them to confirm they'd be reopening it as a
venue. They wouldn't, so he decided the gig was up, quite literally, and
emigrated to see if he and his girlfriend in California actually could
make a go of it. That may be the only good thing that's come out of the
whole shebang. It's now a "bar & kitchen" called The Vine. There's light
in it, it's all wrong.
> Didn't PT just play The Junction?
Damn, yes, it looks as if they did. Oh well, serve me right for
being ignorant and them for not postering anywhere. Actually that should
have been on the regular posters where I'd see it. How odd. Oh
well. Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Satellite Circle - _Satellite Circle_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Apr 13 20:25:03 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:25:03 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <WED.13.APR.2005.202503.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:32:50 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
wrote:
>Looks like there's some German source offering the rare CD's on Ebay.
>Warrior and 25 Years On at least come with extra tracks.
Yeah, these have been mentioned a few times. Has anyone actually bought
one of them, or do I have to be the first one? (I could really use a CD
copy of 25 Years On.) Does anyone know what the bonus tracks are?
>Presumably these aren't official?
That would be the logical assumption :^).
Although if it was members of the band serruptitiously bootlegging
themselves behind the label's back, it wouldn't be the first time. And
given the band in question, it certainly wouldn't surprise me ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 14 04:59:35 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:59:35 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504132103550.10551-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.095935.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 13/04/2005 21:08, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
>> Didn't PT just play The Junction?
>
> Damn, yes, it looks as if they did. Oh well, serve me right for
> being ignorant and them for not postering anywhere. Actually that should
> have been on the regular posters where I'd see it. How odd. Oh
> well.
Scott Heller spotted on a poster on Parker's Piece as we were strolling
along over the weekend, but that was after it'd happened! Ah well, I
don't think I could have made it anyway ....
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Apr 14 15:01:10 2005
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:01:10 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.200110.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
--- Doug Pearson <jasret at MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:32:50 +0100, M Holmes
> <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> wrote:
>
> >Looks like there's some German source offering the
> rare CD's on Ebay.
> >Warrior and 25 Years On at least come with extra
> tracks.
>
> Yeah, these have been mentioned a few times. Has
> anyone actually bought
> one of them, or do I have to be the first one? (I
> could really use a CD
> copy of 25 Years On.) Does anyone know what the
> bonus tracks are?
>
> >Presumably these aren't official?
>
> That would be the logical assumption :^).
>
> Although if it was members of the band
> serruptitiously bootlegging
> themselves behind the label's back, it wouldn't be
> the first time. And
> given the band in question, it certainly wouldn't
> surprise me ...
>
> -Doug
> jasret at mindspring.com
The live bonus tracks on the dodgy "new" Hawklords
CDs on EBay are live versions of "Who's Gonna Win the
War" and "Drug Cabinet Key" which is of course "Flying
Doctor". There are loads of these on Ebay - very
naughty!!
Mick
>
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 14 16:02:42 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:02:42 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.210242.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
and, unfortunately, nobody appears to be policing it. Makes you wonder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Crook" <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> --- Doug Pearson <jasret at MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:32:50 +0100, M Holmes
> > <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Looks like there's some German source offering the
> > rare CD's on Ebay.
> > >Warrior and 25 Years On at least come with extra
> > tracks.
> >
> > Yeah, these have been mentioned a few times. Has
> > anyone actually bought
> > one of them, or do I have to be the first one? (I
> > could really use a CD
> > copy of 25 Years On.) Does anyone know what the
> > bonus tracks are?
> >
> > >Presumably these aren't official?
> >
> > That would be the logical assumption :^).
> >
> > Although if it was members of the band
> > serruptitiously bootlegging
> > themselves behind the label's back, it wouldn't be
> > the first time. And
> > given the band in question, it certainly wouldn't
> > surprise me ...
> >
> > -Doug
> > jasret at mindspring.com
>
>
> The live bonus tracks on the dodgy "new" Hawklords
> CDs on EBay are live versions of "Who's Gonna Win the
> War" and "Drug Cabinet Key" which is of course "Flying
> Doctor". There are loads of these on Ebay - very
> naughty!!
>
> Mick
> >
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
From chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Apr 14 16:32:31 2005
From: chrizdove at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Chris Dove)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:32:31 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.163231.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
ahhh but someone is making money from it ..... who? lol...
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 14 16:32:39 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:32:39 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c5412c$eaf63e60$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.163239.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 21:02 +0100, Colin J Allen wrote:
> and, unfortunately, nobody appears to be policing it. Makes you wonder.
Do you mean the current VeRO representative for Hawkwind is not
contacting eBay to have the auctions removed, or that the VeRO
representative is oblivious to the existence of the dodgy CDs?
I know that, in a sense, we on here partially police the situation
inasmuch as we tend to discover and mention on BOC-L when dodgy auctions
related to the band crop up on eBay. (This happens a lot on other music
mailing lists.) But, I guess, that doesn't necessarily mean the
information gets to someone who can do something about it. Is there a
"report a dodgy eBay auction" link on the official Hawkwind Web site,
should someone feel inclined to do their Hawkwind civic duty? Do the
band even want such reports?
Makes you wonder.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 14 16:37:34 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:37:34 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <THU.14.APR.2005.163734.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:01:10 +0100, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
wrote:
>The live bonus tracks on the dodgy "new" Hawklords
>CDs on EBay are live versions of "Who's Gonna Win the
>War" and "Drug Cabinet Key" which is of course "Flying
>Doctor". There are loads of these on Ebay - very
>naughty!!
Interesting (good) picks, since "Drug Cabinet Key" has never been released
on CD, nor has the single edit version of "Who's Gonna Win The War"
(Hawklords version on Flicknife, not the Hawkwind version on Bronze).
I wonder if one can tell whether those two tracks were mastered from vinyl
(given the quality of Flicknife vinyl pressings, it would be *very*
difficult, if not impossible, to clean up such a track enough to make it
unrecognizably vinyl-sourced) ... or not (which would definitely be
interesting) ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL Fri Apr 15 03:51:52 2005
From: bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:51:52 +0200
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <20050414190110.74946.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.095152.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
>
> The live bonus tracks on the dodgy "new" Hawklords
> CDs on EBay are live versions of "Who's Gonna Win the
> War" and "Drug Cabinet Key" which is of course "Flying
> Doctor". There are loads of these on Ebay - very
> naughty!!
If you search for german record stores on the net, you can find a lot
of them selling the cd's for 12 to 15 euro's. And it is tempting, as
the official cd's sell for a lot more (for wich the band doesn't make
any money either....)
Bart
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 15 05:01:48 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:01:48 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: Colin J Allen's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:02:42 +0100
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.100148.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Colin J Allen writes:
> and, unfortunately, nobody appears to be policing it. Makes you wonder.
Ah, it's not the same as The Colin Era when Ebay bandits were scared to
come into town...
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 15 05:03:11 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:03:11 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:32:39 -0400
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.100311.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Paul Mather writes:
> I know that, in a sense, we on here partially police the situation
> inasmuch as we tend to discover and mention on BOC-L when dodgy auctions
> related to the band crop up on eBay. (This happens a lot on other music
> mailing lists.) But, I guess, that doesn't necessarily mean the
> information gets to someone who can do something about it. Is there a
> "report a dodgy eBay auction" link on the official Hawkwind Web site,
> should someone feel inclined to do their Hawkwind civic duty? Do the
> band even want such reports?
What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
to make Ebay jump?
FoFP
From bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL Fri Apr 15 05:17:52 2005
From: bartbrugmans at PLANET.NL (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:17:52 +0200
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <200504150903.j3F93BKD009752@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.111752.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 15 Apr 2005 at 10:03, M Holmes wrote:
> What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright
> holder to make Ebay jump?
i think that's the case. It is not a live-recording and/or cd-r,
which anyone can report. It looks legitimed to ebay. So I think the
copyright owner has to complain about this.
Bart
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 15 08:17:44 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:17:44 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <200504150903.j3F93BKD009752@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.081744.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 10:03 +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Paul Mather writes:
>
> > I know that, in a sense, we on here partially police the situation
> > inasmuch as we tend to discover and mention on BOC-L when dodgy auctions
> > related to the band crop up on eBay. (This happens a lot on other music
> > mailing lists.) But, I guess, that doesn't necessarily mean the
> > information gets to someone who can do something about it. Is there a
> > "report a dodgy eBay auction" link on the official Hawkwind Web site,
> > should someone feel inclined to do their Hawkwind civic duty? Do the
> > band even want such reports?
>
> What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> to make Ebay jump?
It has been my experience that they'll e-mail you back some standard
boilerplate reply about how only the VeRO representative can ask for
infringing auctions to be removed. If you are lucky and the auction
text happens to define the item as being illegitimate for listing (e.g.,
a CD-R) they might take it down.
So, unless you're the VeRO, you're unlikely to get far. That probably
accounts for a lot of the vigilante bidding sabotage that people engage
in to try and wreck auctions for dodgy items. I know on the Gov't Mule
list that a favourite tactic is to contact the current bidders and offer
a B&P copy of the live show being auctioned if the lister won't take
down the auction voluntarily.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Fri Apr 15 09:20:10 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:20:10 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <1113567464.81261.13.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.092010.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Paul Mather <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>:
> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 10:03 +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> > Paul Mather writes:
> >
> > > I know that, in a sense, we on here partially police the situation
> > > inasmuch as we tend to discover and mention on BOC-L when dodgy auctions
> > > related to the band crop up on eBay. (This happens a lot on other music
> > > mailing lists.) But, I guess, that doesn't necessarily mean the
> > > information gets to someone who can do something about it. Is there a
> > > "report a dodgy eBay auction" link on the official Hawkwind Web site,
> > > should someone feel inclined to do their Hawkwind civic duty? Do the
> > > band even want such reports?
> >
> > What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> > to make Ebay jump?
>
> It has been my experience that they'll e-mail you back some standard
> boilerplate reply about how only the VeRO representative can ask for
> infringing auctions to be removed. If you are lucky and the auction
> text happens to define the item as being illegitimate for listing (e.g.,
> a CD-R) they might take it down.
I once reported a Russian posting of an obviously pirated copy of the Marillion
"Marbles" album because the tracklisting was different and it was taken down.
It can't hurt to try.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 15 13:46:04 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:46:04 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.184604.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
>
> What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> to make Ebay jump?
There was a good police force for this in addition to Colin's sterling
work - it was called "neo-quark" .. whatever happened to that?
Oh yeah ....
Abie
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Apr 15 16:23:06 2005
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:23:06 -0500
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <004901c541e2$ff517530$69044054@SN037539420006>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.152306.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
While Neo-Quark did have it's merits in the days of old before the taping
ban.
I did start seeing dealers selling the neo-quark recordings at U.K. record
fairs which was well out of order. EVEN at one of the fairs where Dave was
signing stuff which was just taking the piss.
So not really a great police force.
Rich
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From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:46 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
>
> What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> to make Ebay jump?
There was a good police force for this in addition to Colin's sterling
work - it was called "neo-quark" .. whatever happened to that?
Oh yeah ....
Abie
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 15 17:06:23 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:06:23 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.220623.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Rich,
Bootlegs were sold at fairs long before neo-quark (and Camden used to be
full of them on a Saturday morning) - it wasn't any reflection on the
internet trading - these shows would be have been around anyway., Neo-Quark
had a passion for the music equalled by its passion for ensuring the band
didn't get ripped off - that isn't diminished by not being able to police
every music fair stall. Hawkwind, for no tangible gain, decided that unlike
a lot of bands of their level they would be anti-trading but IMHO they
haven't gained anything (where is that elusive deal?) but they've lost some
goodwill. Perfecty within their rights, quite a proper thing to do if they
so desire - but at the stage in the game that they are at, somewhat hard to
reconcile really with the good efforts made on the band's behalf.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich" <cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> While Neo-Quark did have it's merits in the days of old before the taping
> ban.
>
> I did start seeing dealers selling the neo-quark recordings at U.K. record
> fairs which was well out of order. EVEN at one of the fairs where Dave
was
> signing stuff which was just taking the piss.
>
> So not really a great police force.
>
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:46 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> >
> > What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> > to make Ebay jump?
>
> There was a good police force for this in addition to Colin's sterling
> work - it was called "neo-quark" .. whatever happened to that?
>
> Oh yeah ....
>
> Abie
>
From cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET Fri Apr 15 17:48:44 2005
From: cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET (Rich)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <008101c541fe$faee3160$69044054@SN037539420006>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.164844.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I'm sure I didn't mean to diminish Neo-Quarks efforts/passion.
Just that the police force comment was a bit strong ;-)in the original post.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:06 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
Rich,
Bootlegs were sold at fairs long before neo-quark (and Camden used to be
full of them on a Saturday morning) - it wasn't any reflection on the
internet trading - these shows would be have been around anyway., Neo-Quark
had a passion for the music equalled by its passion for ensuring the band
didn't get ripped off - that isn't diminished by not being able to police
every music fair stall. Hawkwind, for no tangible gain, decided that unlike
a lot of bands of their level they would be anti-trading but IMHO they
haven't gained anything (where is that elusive deal?) but they've lost some
goodwill. Perfecty within their rights, quite a proper thing to do if they
so desire - but at the stage in the game that they are at, somewhat hard to
reconcile really with the good efforts made on the band's behalf.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich" <cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> While Neo-Quark did have it's merits in the days of old before the taping
> ban.
>
> I did start seeing dealers selling the neo-quark recordings at U.K. record
> fairs which was well out of order. EVEN at one of the fairs where Dave
was
> signing stuff which was just taking the piss.
>
> So not really a great police force.
>
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:46 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> >
> > What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> > to make Ebay jump?
>
> There was a good police force for this in addition to Colin's sterling
> work - it was called "neo-quark" .. whatever happened to that?
>
> Oh yeah ....
>
> Abie
>
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 15 18:10:32 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:10:32 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <GBECKJOIGBIGCHCKCNPICEJMDCAA.cosmicdolphin@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.181032.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 15:23 -0500, Rich wrote:
> While Neo-Quark did have it's merits in the days of old before the taping
> ban.
>
> I did start seeing dealers selling the neo-quark recordings at U.K. record
> fairs which was well out of order. EVEN at one of the fairs where Dave was
> signing stuff which was just taking the piss.
If you look back at the early history of neo-quark, a lot of the
recordings spread via trees, B&P offers, and the likes were liberated
bootlegs (e.g., The Hawk Logs Master Series). So, it's not surprising
you saw "neo-quark" recordings at record fairs, because a lot of them
came from there in the first place (though often "cleaned up" and
improved by neo-quarkers). :-)
Later on, there were more "original releases" of old stealth recordings
lying around on cassette. There were even some stealth recordings of
contemporary gigs, or of things like interviews taped off the radio,
etc. All this stuff had and would have circulated around the Hawkwind
fanbase. Whereas it might have been easier for bootleggers to get ahold
of these recordings via neo-quark, it's unrealistic to think that they
wouldn't have percolated through to the bootleggers anyway through
natural osmosis from the collective fanbase (or through direct
involvement of the bootleggers).
Neo-quark never sold anything, nor did it force any dealers to sell any
of its output. (In fact, neo-quark were always at pains to point out
they were for trade only and not for sale.) Those dealers made up their
own minds to rip off the band---as had been the case before neo-quark
existed, and is the case now that neo-quark no longer actively trades
Hawkwind material. If anything, neo-quark was competition for the
bootleggers: it provided equivalent "product" for next to nothing. It
lessened the chance that a fan would be disappointed at being ripped off
having paid a lot for a "rare Hawkwind release." Ripped-off Hawkwind
fans have less money to spend on legitimate Hawkwind releases (assuming
such things exist still these days:). They're also more likely to
become disenchanted and drift away from buying Hawkwind output.
Unfortunately, neo-quark can no longer act as competition for the
bootleggers, so it's business as usual for them once again.
My experience of neo-quark was that it promoted an interest and
excitement for Hawkwind. People felt energised about kollecting the
back catalogue and going to see them live. That's not a bad thing in my
book.
> So not really a great police force.
It's not realistic to expect an online group to "police" the offline
world, at least not in my opinion. I never saw neo-quark as "policing"
anything. They'd report illegal eBay auctions when they found them,
because it was felt that selling bootlegs was bad for the band and the
fans. They never saw it as some "holy mission" though. I could be
wrong.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 15 18:11:19 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:11:19 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.231119.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Maybe... I just felt there were people who were doing their best to keep
within the spirit of the band and perhaps the concept deserved something a
little better than the way the trading ban was approached - but its water
under the bridge really.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich" <cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> I'm sure I didn't mean to diminish Neo-Quarks efforts/passion.
>
> Just that the police force comment was a bit strong ;-)in the original
post.
>
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:06 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
>
>
> Rich,
>
> Bootlegs were sold at fairs long before neo-quark (and Camden used to be
> full of them on a Saturday morning) - it wasn't any reflection on the
> internet trading - these shows would be have been around anyway.,
Neo-Quark
> had a passion for the music equalled by its passion for ensuring the band
> didn't get ripped off - that isn't diminished by not being able to police
> every music fair stall. Hawkwind, for no tangible gain, decided that
unlike
> a lot of bands of their level they would be anti-trading but IMHO they
> haven't gained anything (where is that elusive deal?) but they've lost
some
> goodwill. Perfecty within their rights, quite a proper thing to do if they
> so desire - but at the stage in the game that they are at, somewhat hard
to
> reconcile really with the good efforts made on the band's behalf.
>
> Ian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich" <cosmicdolphin at COMCAST.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
>
>
> > While Neo-Quark did have it's merits in the days of old before the
taping
> > ban.
> >
> > I did start seeing dealers selling the neo-quark recordings at U.K.
record
> > fairs which was well out of order. EVEN at one of the fairs where Dave
> was
> > signing stuff which was just taking the piss.
> >
> > So not really a great police force.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
> > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Ian Abrahams
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:46 PM
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> > Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> > >
> > > What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright
holder
> > > to make Ebay jump?
> >
> > There was a good police force for this in addition to Colin's sterling
> > work - it was called "neo-quark" .. whatever happened to that?
> >
> > Oh yeah ....
> >
> > Abie
> >
>
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Apr 15 19:43:42 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:43:42 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.194342.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:10:32 -0400, Paul Mather <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
wrote:
>If anything, neo-quark was competition for the
>bootleggers: it provided equivalent "product" for next to nothing. It
>lessened the chance that a fan would be disappointed at being ripped off
>having paid a lot for a "rare Hawkwind release."
Remember the cassete-skull-and-crossbones logo "Home taping is killing the
music industry" public service adverts? I want to see one with a CD-skull-
and-crossbones logo that says, "Home CD recording is killing the bootleg
industry". Certainly they're the ones who stand to lose the most from the
free exchange of non-officially-released audience recordings.
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From tony.orourke at TALK21.COM Fri Apr 15 20:33:46 2005
From: tony.orourke at TALK21.COM (Tony)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:33:46 +0100
Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree
In-Reply-To: <000001c54009$a2347f80$0a00000a@studybox>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.APR.2005.013346.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Can I just say, as a relative newcomer to the wonders of Porcupine Tree,
that "Radioactive Toy" rocks! Surely the best Pink Floyd song they never
wrote.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Tony
Sent: 13 April 2005 10:18
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
Jon
When did the Boatrace in Cambridge close? I used to go there a fair bit
when I lived in Cambridge!
Didn't PT just play The Junction?
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Jon Jarrett
Sent: 11 April 2005 14:45
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Tony wrote:
> What does this list think of Porcupine Tree? I'm only a recent convert to
> them, only having heard a couple of tracks from their last album - In
> Absentia. But I have to say I'm now a fan! I saw them last weekend
during
> their UK tour and they were magnificent. What's more Steven Wilson
> (songwriter, guitars, singer and all round genius) likes Hawkwind too. On
> his personal website he lists "In Search Of Space" on his March playlist.
> http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/playlist.html
> Cool!
I'm kind of ambivalent about Porcupine Tree these days, which is
sad because they're the band I own most records by after Hawkwind by a
pretty clear margin. The trouble is partly that a lot of that material is
duplicated because they went through a period between record deals when
they were really milking the fanbsase with re-release stuff with only a
few new tracks on it, and I got sufficiently fed up of this that when _In
Absentia_ came out in the US and was only available here on import I
didn't get it because by then was sure that the eventual European release
would have bonus tracks on it.
The other reason is that I got into the band just after they
released _The Sky Moves Sideways_ which point Steven Wilson played guitar
like Dave Gilmour, they were doing huge long atmospheric prog pieces and
tended to play fairly small spaces with Fruit Salad Lights who have also
got less interesting since then, not tailoring their illuminations to the
material and so on. The gig of theirs I saw in the late lamented Boat
Race in Cambridge, which held about 200 people if you packed them in like
sardines, and they were, with full light show, has got to be one of the
most intense gig experiences I've ever had. And _Signify_ and so on held
out the promise at this was going to be the band that did something new
with the whole English psychedelic progressive crossover field that
no-one's otherwise got over early Floyd in. Then everything went quiet
except for re-release rarities and so on, they left their label (which
died) and when they finally re-emerged it was with what I felt was a
terribly uneasy attempt to mix the old lengthy prog with a new set of
poppy singles which all sounded alike (this was _Stupid Dream_--unlike
Keith H. I think this easily their worst album and is far worse than
_Lightbulb Sun_ which actually managed to blend the styles
convincingly) and from then on it just never got as interesting again.
I do like _In Absentia_, and there's no doubt that Steven Wilson
is developing all the time as a songwriter, but there's something
distinctively his about PT material, and indeed the stuff he's written
with Opeth, which these days I find dampens any excitement. The
I. E. M. stuff and Bass Communion stuff also have their distinctive
flavours but I haven't yet got bored of those; I imagine I easily could
though. The early stuff, where each album was effectively by a different
band, and that `voice' wasn't as set, still interests me much more. I play
all the albums except _Stupid Dream_ now and again, and I'd hold up
_Signify_ as one of the best albums Delerium ever released. The triple LP
_Coma Divine_ is a gorgeous thing to own, and _Stars Die_ is a proper
obsessive's box-set at bargain price for what you get. But, I am no longer
very fanatic. Haven't seen them in ages because I don't expect to be
surprised any more. I really should, but it seems difficult to believe
it's going to be worth the effort because they won't do what I associate
with the name.
When I finally get round to getting the new one I may change my
mind, but reviews so far don't make it seem likely. Let me see if I can
frame this simply. When _Signify_ came out, there was nothing else around
which did that and this was a band at the top of its game. When _Stupid
Dream_ came out I got it at roughly the same time as Blur's self-titled,
and the Britpop darlings had the supposed champions of the British
underground out-psychdelicked in the first fifteen minutes. (That Blur
album I would still say is really a great little pysch album, especially
once you get the earphones on and start listening to what the guitar parts
actually *are*.) Likewise, when _In Absentia_ came out it was more or less
at the same point as Queens of the Stone Age's _Songs for the Deaf_, both
bands with a mixed history going determinedly for the MTV2 jugular without
compromising their actual quality of material as I saw it, and _Songs for
the Deaf_ is by far the better album for me. These days PT are no longer
the biggest and shiniest fish in a small pool but averagely remarkable
fish in a much bigger sea, and they're not doing what made them stand out
any more. So it seems to me, anyway, yours,
Jon
ObCD: Farflung - _Nine Pin Body_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 15 20:38:34 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:38:34 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005041519434214@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.203834.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 19:43 -0400, Doug Pearson wrote:
> Remember the cassete-skull-and-crossbones logo "Home taping is killing the
> music industry" public service adverts?
I remember having a Venom LP with that cassette skull-and-crossbones
logo on the sleeve with "Home taping is killing music" on it, underneath
which was appended "...and so are Venom!" You've got to admire their
sense of humour.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Apr 15 21:03:37 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:03:37 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.APR.2005.210337.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:38:34 -0400, Paul Mather <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
wrote:
>I remember having a Venom LP with that cassette skull-and-crossbones
>logo on the sleeve with "Home taping is killing music" on it, underneath
>which was appended "...and so are Venom!" You've got to admire their
>sense of humour.
I certainly do! My favorite Venom record is the spoken-word 7". The one
that splices all the between-song banter together from a show they did in
New Jersey (with all the music cut out). Sort of like that track
on 'Undisclosed Files' that splices all of Nik Turner's dedications
together (I wasn't going to bother posting this to the list until I
remembered that similarity!).
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 16 05:44:40 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:44:40 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
Message-ID: <SAT.16.APR.2005.104440.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Yes; unfortunately. Despite all of their "commitment" to stopping
illegitimate sales, e-bay are not really very interested.
Colin
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: more dodgy CD's?
> Paul Mather writes:
>
> > I know that, in a sense, we on here partially police the situation
> > inasmuch as we tend to discover and mention on BOC-L when dodgy auctions
> > related to the band crop up on eBay. (This happens a lot on other music
> > mailing lists.) But, I guess, that doesn't necessarily mean the
> > information gets to someone who can do something about it. Is there a
> > "report a dodgy eBay auction" link on the official Hawkwind Web site,
> > should someone feel inclined to do their Hawkwind civic duty? Do the
> > band even want such reports?
>
> What happens if we report to Ebay? Does it have to be a copyright holder
> to make Ebay jump?
>
> FoFP
>
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 16 05:52:55 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:52:55 +0100
Subject: HW: Litmus Gig
Message-ID: <SAT.16.APR.2005.105255.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Just a reminder that Litmus are playing at the Standard Music Venue in
Walthamstow tomorrow (Sunday) night as support to the David Cross band, who
are using the gig as a warm-up before embarking on a Japanese tour. Litmus
are due on stage about 20:00.
A cracking night last night at the Celtic Warriors' Birthday Bash - a
stunningly well-organised event.
Colin
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 17 07:01:17 2005
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:01:17 -0400
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Kozmik Ken Experience and
Alchemical Radio shows
Message-ID: <SUN.17.APR.2005.070117.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
April 17, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS
We've just uploaded new shows from The Kozmik Ken Experience (April 2005),
and Alchemical Radio (show #84). You can go directly to the Radio shows page
at: http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
The Kozmik Ken Experience (April 2005) (Space Rock & Psychedelia)
Hidria Spacefolk - "Modus Operand Hermetik" (from Balansia)
Cosmic Jokers - "Im Reich der Magier" (from Sci-Fi Party)
Gong - "Supercotton" (from Acid Motherhood)
Soundtrack of our Lives - "Bigtime" (from Bigtime)
Endino's Earthworm - "Fried, Baked or Scrambled" (from Succour)
Vibrasonic - "Kingsley J" (from Vibrasonic)
Magic Mushroom Band - "Tomorrow Never Knows" (from Process of Illumination)
Nosound - "The Moment She Knew" (from Sol 29)
Melting Euphoria - "Surrounding Yesterday" (from Over The Edge Of The World)
Body - "The Sun Will Never Shine On" (from The Body Album... Plus)
Violeta de Outonu - "Scinbras Flutuantes" (from Rio Art Rock)
Alchemical Radio (show #84)
Alchemical Radio is produced by our friends Terri~B and The Reverend Rabbit
from the Stone Premonitions label, and features some of the best
Psychedelia, Progressive Rock, Metal, and adventurous Pop that the
underground has to offer. Visit the Stone Premonitions web site at
http://aural-innovations.com/stonepremonitions
Soniq Theater ? "The Anger Of Zeus"
Symphony In Demeanor ? "Another Birthday"
Terri Hendrix ? "It?s About Time"
Twisterbait ? "Bombs"
4QUA ? "Angel Of My Heart"
After Dark ? "Never Know Why"
Anton Barbeau - "Mahjong Dijon"
The Baghdaddies ? "6.8 We?ll Be Late"
First Band From Outer Space ? "Sannraijz"
The Bevis Frond ? "Dragons"
Bob Seawick ? "Train To Limon"
The Buzzrats ? "Fireproof Box"
Cafebar 401 ? "Many Left Here Long Ago"
Camilla Ringquist ? "Drummer Boy"
Cheese ? "Fallen From The Sun"
Deb Sandland ? "The Scarecrow"
David Eggar & Thomas Simon ? "Foehn"
http://Aural-Innovations.com
From novadrive at COMCAST.NET Mon Apr 18 04:27:58 2005
From: novadrive at COMCAST.NET (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:27:58 -0700
Subject: HW: A few more photos added to KMSommers.com
Message-ID: <MON.18.APR.2005.012758.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
I've added a few more shots to the Hawkwind page of my website, including a
couple of the 90 LA sound check:
http://www.kmsommers.com/Hawkwind.htm
I'm also slowly rewriting all the pages by hand, after growing frustrated by
using Word as HTML editor and having it force certain things on me (or at
least I couldn't figure a way around) and not letting me do others (that I
could figure out, that is). Eventually, in the hopefully not too distant
future, it'll be my online portfolio....
Kevin M Sommers
http://www.kmsommers.com <http://www.kmsommers.com/>
From neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM Mon Apr 18 10:36:14 2005
From: neil.shilladay at MICROLISE.COM (Neil Shilladay)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:36:14 +0100
Subject: HW: Spring Tour support
Message-ID: <MON.18.APR.2005.153614.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Has any support been announced for the spring tour ?
(Sorry if this has allready been announced - I seem to be getting very
intermittent email from the group at the moment)
Cheers
Neil.
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From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Apr 18 21:13:16 2005
From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Jason)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:13:16 -0400
Subject: BRAIN/BOC: Helen Wheels news on Cellsum!
Message-ID: <MON.18.APR.2005.211316.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
To Helen With Love: The Concert
The long awaited Helen Wheels Tribute concert video has finally been
completed. It will not be available for sale until early May but you can
see the trailer by clicking
<http://www.customflix.com/Store/ShowEStore.jsp?rtnPt=2&id=207112&isPreview>here.
The concert, which took place in New York City on December 4th, 2001,
features performances by Buck Dharma, Manitoba's Wild Kingdom, the Brain
Surgeons, Bouchard, Dunaway and Smith, Static Cling, Tish and Snooky,
Crispin Cioe and many different combinations of musicians. It also features
interviews with performers and audience members and behind the scenes peeks
of this special night.
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Apr 19 13:46:09 2005
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:46:09 -0400
Subject: BRAIN/BOC: Helen Wheels news on Cellsum!
Message-ID: <TUE.19.APR.2005.134609.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hey J,
When this comes out, I think it would be cool if you re-posted the original review you wrote of the Helen Wheels tribute show. It would be interesting to see how watching it on DVD meshes with the experience of actually being there.
Brian
NP> Sasquatch, _Sasquatch_
Jason Scruton wrote:
> The long awaited Helen Wheels Tribute concert video has finally been
> completed. It will not be available for sale until early May but you can
> see the trailer by clicking
> <http://www.customflix.com/Store/ShowEStore.jsp?rtnPt=2&id=207112&isPreview>here.
From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Apr 19 22:28:09 2005
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:28:09 -0400
Subject: paging Mister Swann
In-Reply-To: <200502181608.j1IG8wBq011833@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from
fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 04:08:58PM +0000
Message-ID: <TUE.19.APR.2005.222809.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 04:08:58PM +0000, M Holmes wrote:
> Dunno if that message also got lost in the hiatus, but it might be worth
> getting word to Steve Swann that two originals of that USA Tour 89 VHS
> tape he was after are being sold on Ebay.
>
> FoFP
Shit! That's what I get for not reading the list lately.
Thanks for the attempted heads-up, anyway, Mike...
I'll repeat my offer to buy an original VHS of that, in
good condition, at a silly price. Where by silly
price I mean, you'll hear what I'm willing to pay and
you'll think, "He's gone silly".
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Apr 19 23:32:22 2005
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:32:22 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <200502181544.j1IFi9Ze000789@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from
fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:44:09PM +0000
Message-ID: <TUE.19.APR.2005.233222.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:44:09PM +0000, M Holmes wrote:
> Seems my last post didn't get through?
>
> There have been some astonishing prices for Warrior, Quark and PXR5 on
> Ebay. Are these normal or is it some sort of hype?
This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
(P) 1978 Charisma Records
(C) 2001 Rock Fever
RFM 014
Made under license from Ridgetop Music
This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
plus these two live tracks:
9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
(Brock)
10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
(Brock/Calvert)
I was actually a little irritated when I received it,
since I *thought* I had scored a copy of the ultra-rare
Virgin/Charisma disc. I just didn't read the fine
print when I bought it... :-P
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Tue Apr 19 23:40:50 2005
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:50 -0700
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <20050419233222.B26320@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.APR.2005.204050.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Somebody just asked about that one the other day.
--- Stephen Swann <swann at CUGC.ORG> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 03:44:09PM +0000, M Holmes
> wrote:
> > Seems my last post didn't get through?
> >
> > There have been some astonishing prices for
> Warrior, Quark and PXR5 on
> > Ebay. Are these normal or is it some sort of hype?
>
> This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
> possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
> Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
> not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
> copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
> (P) 1978 Charisma Records
> (C) 2001 Rock Fever
> RFM 014
>
> Made under license from Ridgetop Music
> This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
> Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
>
> It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> plus these two live tracks:
> 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> (Brock)
> 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> (Brock/Calvert)
>
> I was actually a little irritated when I received
> it,
> since I *thought* I had scored a copy of the
> ultra-rare
> Virgin/Charisma disc. I just didn't read the fine
> print when I bought it... :-P
>
> --
> Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
> swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
>
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 20 06:30:37 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:30:37 +0100
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:32:22 -0400
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.113037.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Stephen Swann writes:
> This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
> possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
> Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
> not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
> copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
> (P) 1978 Charisma Records
> (C) 2001 Rock Fever
> RFM 014
>
> Made under license from Ridgetop Music
> This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
> Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
>
> It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> plus these two live tracks:
> 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> (Brock)
> 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> (Brock/Calvert)
Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
Ebay?
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 20 06:42:41 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:42:41 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.114241.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
FoFP
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Apr 20 06:46:10 2005
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:46:10 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <200504201042.j3KAgf3n010963@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.114610.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Seems he was in the Nazi youth also...
So all looking good for a moderate , well balanced pontiff, who's open
to the full facets of live on Earth. <G>
M Holmes wrote on 4/20/2005, 11:42 AM:
> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
>
> FoFP
>
From Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK Wed Apr 20 06:52:22 2005
From: Chaosillumi at CHAOSILLUMI.F9.CO.UK (Chaosillumination)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:52:22 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.115222.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Glad I learned to drive then...
Neil
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: New Pope don't rock
> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
>
> FoFP
From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Apr 20 07:15:56 2005
From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (nick.lee2@virgin.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:15:56 +0000
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.111556.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
But I do believe Pope Benedict the Sixteenth will enter the lexicon of dope
use.
As in: "I can't afford a Henry can you do me a Pope instead?"
Nick
> ----Original Message----
> From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK
> Date: Apr 20, 2005 10:42:41 AM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
> Subj: New Pope don't rock
>
> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
>
> FoFP
From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Apr 20 07:46:42 2005
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:46:42 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <200504201030.j3KAUb2I002590@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from
fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:30:37AM +0100
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.074642.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:30:37AM +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> > It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> > plus these two live tracks:
> > 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> > (Brock)
> > 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> > (Brock/Calvert)
>
> Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
Not yet, it just arrived the other day and I haven't
really listened to anything but The Only Ones (just to
verify that it was commercial quality sound as well,
and not "ripped from vinyl" or what have you...
> Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
> Ebay?
Their website www.rock-fever.de (misprinted on the
label as w.w.w.rock-fever.de) doesn't exist.
http://rock-fever.de redirects to this non-existant web
site. They have a contact address mail at rock-fever.de which
may or may not work, I haven't attempted to contact it.
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Apr 20 08:09:17 2005
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:09:17 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.080917.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
FoFP wrote:
> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
I hope he mentions BOC. They could use more publicity. :-)
Brian
"I'm your vehicle darlin', and by now I'm sure you know [...] great God in Heaven you know I love you."
-Ides of March
From coral at APORT.RU Wed Apr 20 11:14:46 2005
From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:14:46 +0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.191446.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
One question - how is the sound quality? Is it a copy from cd version or
from vinyl?
cheers,
Alisa
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Hakwind prices on Ebay
> Stephen Swann writes:
> > This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
> > possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
> > Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
> > not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
> > copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
> > (P) 1978 Charisma Records
> > (C) 2001 Rock Fever
> > RFM 014
> >
> > Made under license from Ridgetop Music
> > This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
> > Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
> >
> > It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> > plus these two live tracks:
> > 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> > (Brock)
> > 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> > (Brock/Calvert)
>
> Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
>
> Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
> Ebay?
>
> FoFP
>
From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Apr 20 12:18:58 2005
From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:18:58 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <1114011895.47135.11.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.171858.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Oh I do agree Paul, it would have been extremely difficult to avoid
being conscripted.
At the end of the day, he's an irrelavance to me, Its a bloody big shame
that he is relevant to to many people on this planet with such a
negative, blinkered view of the world.
I'd love for him to make me eat my words, but somehow I doubt the man
has the sight to liberalise. Not from what he's said..
iain
Paul Mather wrote on 4/20/2005, 4:44 PM:
> To be fair, it was hard not to be in the Hitler Youth, because
> membership became compulsory for youths some time during WWII. Also,
> late in the war, every eligible male between the ages of 16 and 60 was
> conscripted into the Volksturm (the German "Home Guard"), as a
> last-ditch effort to stem the tide of defeat.
>
> Still, conscientious objectors did resist being drafted, and were
> usually sent to concentration camps as a result. I guess Mr. Ratzinger
> chose a path of least resistance...
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Apr 20 14:21:54 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:21:54 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.142154.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:30:37 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
wrote:
>Stephen Swann writes:
>> This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
>> possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
>> Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks ...
>>
>> It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
>> plus these two live tracks:
>> 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
>> (Brock)
>> 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
>> (Brock/Calvert)
>
>Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
I'd have to believe that "Drug Cabinet Key" is the same version as on the
withdrawn Weird Tape and F&R vol.3. Which has never been released on CD,
so if *that* track does not sound ripped-from-vinyl, then there's
something fishy going on ...
And it would make the most sense that "Who's Gonna Win The War" is version
1 in the Codex, and definitely not 1c (the Flicknife single edit, which is
less than 5 minutes long). It could have easily been taken from the
Flicknife F&R or Independent Daze CD's, or from the Weird CD's on
Voiceprint.
>Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
>Ebay?
With most eBay auctions, isn't there a contact-the-seller feature? I'm
sure that whoever is auctioning them has a reasonable stock.
And for that matter, are there any German Hawkfans on the list near
Hamburg? (I think Bernhard is the closest I know of, and he's not that
close.)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 20 14:23:54 2005
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:23:54 +0100
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <200504201030.j3KAUb2I002590@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.192354.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
My brother is currently living in Hamburg.
Any use him looking up the address that is quoted for Rock Fever?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of M Holmes
Sent: 20 April 2005 11:31
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: Hakwind prices on Ebay
Stephen Swann writes:
> This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
> possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
> Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
> not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
> copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
> (P) 1978 Charisma Records
> (C) 2001 Rock Fever
> RFM 014
>
> Made under license from Ridgetop Music
> This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
> Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
>
> It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> plus these two live tracks:
> 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> (Brock)
> 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> (Brock/Calvert)
Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
Ebay?
FoFP
From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Apr 20 15:32:26 2005
From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (bernhard.pospiech)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:32:26 +0200
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005042014215467@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.213226.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi Doug
>And for that matter, are there any German Hawkfans on the list near
Hamburg? (I think Bernhard is the closest I know >of, and he's not that
close.)
Well, it is about 350 KM (= 220 Miles) from my hometown to Hamburg
I really do not know who these bastards are
Maybe Hamburg is just a fake-address ?
These guys are selling bootlegs and therefore it is not very intelligent
to offer
the real address to the world
Cheers
Bernhard
From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Apr 20 21:06:16 2005
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:06:16 EDT
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.210616.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:47:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
iainferguson at AOL.COM writes:
Seems he was in the Nazi youth also...
So all looking good for a moderate , well balanced pontiff, who's open
to the full facets of live on Earth. <G>
To paraphrase The Who :
"Meet the new Pope; same as the old Pope!"
Joe
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Wed Apr 20 21:59:02 2005
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:59:02 -0700
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <1ee.3a1b459d.2f985688@aol.com>
Message-ID: <WED.20.APR.2005.185902.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
When are you going to find a religious leader that
embraces rock and roll anyway? That is unless you
listen to some of Jimmy Swaggart's records that are
just like his cousin Jerry Lee Lewis'.
--- JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM wrote:
> In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:47:52 AM US Eastern
> Standard Time,
> iainferguson at AOL.COM writes:
>
> Seems he was in the Nazi youth also...
>
> So all looking good for a moderate , well balanced
> pontiff, who's open
> to the full facets of live on Earth. <G>
>
>
>
> To paraphrase The Who :
> "Meet the new Pope; same as the old Pope!"
>
> Joe
>
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From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Apr 21 09:13:09 2005
From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:13:09 +0100
Subject: Off....New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.141309.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
From: Iain Ferguson <iainferguson at AOL.COM>
>Seems he was in the Nazi youth also...
>So all looking good for a moderate , well balanced pontiff, who's open
>to the full facets of live on Earth. <G>
On the other hand he shows more diversity than those who
havn't contemplated anything quite so radical?
M Holmes wrote on 4/20/2005, 11:42 AM:
>> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
Is Cliff Richard a catholic?
regards
Maxine
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 21 09:19:10 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:19:10 +0100
Subject: Off....New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:13:09 +0100
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.141910.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Maxine Wesley writes:
> Is Cliff Richard a catholic?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
FoFP
From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Apr 21 09:47:58 2005
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:47:58 +0100
Subject: HW : Croydon
In-Reply-To: <200504071533.j37FXXHd029898@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.144758.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sitting here trying to work out what HW dates I'm seeing... can someone
tell me, is the Croydon gig a seated affair or is there standing too?
cheers,
Dave
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 12:38:46 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:38:46 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005041416373479@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.173846.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Doug Pearson wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:01:10 +0100, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >The live bonus tracks on the dodgy "new" Hawklords
> >CDs on EBay are live versions of "Who's Gonna Win the
> >War" and "Drug Cabinet Key" which is of course "Flying
> >Doctor". There are loads of these on Ebay - very
> >naughty!!
>
> Interesting (good) picks, since "Drug Cabinet Key" has never been released
> on CD, nor has the single edit version of "Who's Gonna Win The War"
> (Hawklords version on Flicknife, not the Hawkwind version on Bronze).
>
> I wonder if one can tell whether those two tracks were mastered from vinyl
> (given the quality of Flicknife vinyl pressings, it would be *very*
> difficult, if not impossible, to clean up such a track enough to make it
> unrecognizably vinyl-sourced) ... or not (which would definitely be
> interesting) ...
There is, almost predictably, no mention one way or the other on
the "only official source of Hawkwind information", Mission Control, or if
there is it's not anywhere in the still maze-like structure where I could
find it. I wonder if the line-up page still mentions Ron, I forgot to
check.[1] But anyway. I have to say I'm tempted to nab one of these things
if they ever come out somewhere other than Ebay. But by then perhaps the
miracle deal will have come together, the back catalogue will be scheduled
for rerelease and all will be right with the world. Right now I can well
understand why someone who'd otherwise be prowling Ebay *anyway* for a
second-hand original, that passes no money to the band this sale round,
would grab one of these instead. Better quality than the relatively
cheaper vinyl, bonus tracks... and of course most people won't expect this
to be a bootleg anyway any more than the various Friends & Relations
compilations on the ever-changing label which was Emporio when I got mine
and seemed to be licensing the material from Charly somehow. Can we be
sure in fact that these disks aren't at least that legitimate, in as much
as someone may have been able to license the rights from someone who has a
dubious claim to own them that no-one's yet challenged?
This is why some responses from the band about such things would
sometimes be useful. I'm sure there's lots of people here who would prefer
not to buy these things if they're not actually contributing to the band
and there's a version that will in the works; likewise, if they are
straight bootlegs we would probably all avoid them. But it's possible that
they could be somewhere in the legal mess in the middle in which case I
think it's fair enough that the fans get them and the band recover their
earnings from "Rock Fever" whoever they may be. Or is that too
mercenary? Yours,
Jon
ObCD: University of Errors - _Jet-Propelled Photographs_
[1] Hallelujah, my faith is rewarded: go to the oldest of the photo-
galleries, click on the link back to Master Gallery and you don't actually
go to the current Master Gallery page, but the old one, which was of
course for no intuitive reason headed with the "Crew Data" section, and
it's still there: direct link http://www.hawkwind.com/pf.htm
No wonder the update on hawkwind.com is taking so long. Parts of
it are still in 1998. Anyway.
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Apr 21 12:57:05 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:57:05 +0100
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504211723030.30492-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.175705.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 21/04/2005 17:38, Jon Jarrett wrote:
> But by then perhaps the
> miracle deal will have come together, the back catalogue will be scheduled
> for rerelease and all will be right with the world.
Also, monkeys will depart my nether regions for the skies on silver
machines ;)
> This is why some responses from the band about such things would
> sometimes be useful. I'm sure there's lots of people here who would prefer
> not to buy these things if they're not actually contributing to the band
> and there's a version that will in the works; likewise, if they are
> straight bootlegs we would probably all avoid them. But it's possible that
> they could be somewhere in the legal mess in the middle in which case I
> think it's fair enough that the fans get them and the band recover their
> earnings from "Rock Fever" whoever they may be. Or is that too
> mercenary?
Personally, if it were my band, I would say: "Hell, why pay money for
stuff that is not only illegit but doesn't even support the band, past
or present. Given the legal complications the gods alone know whether
this will get sorted properly, so why not just burn free copies for your
friends." That's what I would say, if it were my band. Which it isn't :)
Honestly, it'd be nice to see the people who worked on soemthing get
paid for their work, and it'd be nice to see people able to buy things
they want in a legit way. But as is well known, if people can't buy
things properly, they'll sure as hell find a way to buy them improperly!
IMO, the best that one could do in the meantime is undercut the
bootleggers with free stuff. IMO.
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 21 13:17:14 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:17:14 -0400
Subject: more dodgy CD's?
In-Reply-To: <4267DB61.5070104@carlaz.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.131714.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 17:57 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
> Personally, if it were my band, I would say: "Hell, why pay money for
> stuff that is not only illegit but doesn't even support the band, past
> or present. Given the legal complications the gods alone know whether
> this will get sorted properly, so why not just burn free copies for your
> friends." That's what I would say, if it were my band. Which it isn't :)
> IMO, the best that one could do in the meantime is undercut the
> bootleggers with free stuff. IMO.
That's what neo-quark were doing and the band's response was an
enigmatic "stop doing that." So I guess we know what Hawkwind's
position is on this.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 21 13:36:38 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:36:38 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <426680F2.9050604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.133638.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 17:18 +0100, Iain Ferguson wrote:
> Oh I do agree Paul, it would have been extremely difficult to avoid
> being conscripted.
>
> At the end of the day, he's an irrelavance to me, Its a bloody big shame
> that he is relevant to to many people on this planet with such a
> negative, blinkered view of the world.
>
> I'd love for him to make me eat my words, but somehow I doubt the man
> has the sight to liberalise. Not from what he's said..
It's a crying shame that large numbers of people will die in Africa and
Latin America because Ratzinger will continue (and perhaps intensify)
Pope John Paul II's hard line dogma against condom use, thus
exacerbating the spread of HIV. It is indeed a bloody big shame. :-(
I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
or using unsafe practices. That must be Bush's way of promoting the
"culture of life" he keeps going on about. Sounds like he and Ratzinger
will get along famously...
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 21 13:44:51 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:44:51 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:36:38 -0400
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.184451.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Paul Mather writes:
> I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
> Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
> list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
> approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
> complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
> or using unsafe practices.
Oh come on. It won't sentence anyone to anything. They could respond by
just not having an abortion. Unless "sentence" is used in the context of
"We made car protection a priority, thus sentencing erstwhile car
thieves to the more dangerous pursuit of robbery".
There are arguments both pro and anti abortion. The above isn't one of
them.
FoFP
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 21 14:48:40 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:48:40 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <200504211744.j3LHipd1007613@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.144840.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 18:44 +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Paul Mather writes:
>
> > I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
> > Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
> > list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
> > approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
> > complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
> > or using unsafe practices.
>
> Oh come on. It won't sentence anyone to anything. They could respond by
> just not having an abortion. Unless "sentence" is used in the context of
> "We made car protection a priority, thus sentencing erstwhile car
> thieves to the more dangerous pursuit of robbery".
>
> There are arguments both pro and anti abortion. The above isn't one of
> them.
First of all, my apologies. I didn't realise that message was going to
the list; I thought it was going just to Iain Ferguson. My original
message had been a private response to him, and I didn't realise until
it was too late that his response to that one had been on-list and my
reply was going there. Secondly, stop talking such utter rubbish, Mike.
It gets tiresome. I know you like to play dress-up iconoclast and be
deliberately contentious, but this is wearing a bit thin. I'm surprised
you didn't trot out the old line of "well, if they hadn't got knocked up
in the first place..." Pretty easy for a bloke to come out with "they
could respond by just not having an abortion." If only all of our
problems could have such neat, easy solutions.
The fact is that denying a safer medical treatment will knowingly put
patients using the more dangerous one at greater risk (possibly
unbeknownst to the patient). If you don't like the word "sentence,"
then substitute whatever you like in the statement "Restricting or
prohibiting the use of abortion pills will _____ approximately 68,000
women in poor countries to die unnecessarily every year." Then, you
will be happy. (Some suggested words to get you started: "oblige,"
"cause," "facilitate," etc. Make up some of your own.)
I'm not going to get into one of your debates on BOC-L. Before I know
it, you'll be saying something along the lines of "if people in poor
countries really wanted abortions and abortion pills, it'd be reflected
in their spending patterns, etc." boilerplate that often results. Been
there, done that. :-)
Looking back at the genesis of this entire thread, I suddenly feel the
victim of an elaborate troll.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
--- Frank Vincent Zappa
From nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 21 14:59:09 2005
From: nickmedford at HOTMAIL.COM (Nick Medford)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:59:09 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.145909.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:44:51 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
>Paul Mather writes:
>
>> I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
>> Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
>> list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
>> approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
>> complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
>> or using unsafe practices.
>
>Oh come on. It won't sentence anyone to anything. They could respond by
>just not having an abortion.
Yes, it's so simple, isn't it?
In fact one of the major uses of the "abortion pill" in southern Africa (and
probably other places as well, I just know more about SA) is to induce
termination of pregnancy in girls who have become pregnant as a result of
rape, something which is horrfiyingly common in many areas. The withdrawal
of this option will indeed be sentencing these girls to either a) dodgy
"bush medicine" surgery as Paul outlined, or b) becoming the mother of a
"rape baby". Quite a choice.
Nick
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 21 15:21:00 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:21:00 +0100
Subject: HW: Litmus Gig
In-Reply-To: <005101c5426a$106a5da0$6cd1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.202100.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Colin J Allen wrote:
> Just a reminder that Litmus are playing at the Standard Music Venue in
> Walthamstow tomorrow (Sunday) night as support to the David Cross band, who
> are using the gig as a warm-up before embarking on a Japanese tour. Litmus
> are due on stage about 20:00.
And I was there, not at my sharpest either after a week of
insufficient sleep and various griefs, but I had a thoroughly good
time. Some hastily-typed up thoughts:
After getting some food, I still had twenty minutes or so to
wait for the doors to open, this eventually happening fifteen minutes or
so after Litmus's advertised start time. Hmph. Eventually however, they
opened up and in I went to find Litmus, setting up. They were as it turned
out bloody ace, "making even the shattered and moody me dance as best I
could (which was really not very well, as in I kept nearly falling over),
but the set was quite short. I had a long chat with Martin afterwards in
which I only very narrowly escaped telling him far more about me than he
probably wants to know, and learnt a lot of things I didn't believe about
Electric Wizard. I also bought a Litmus t-shirt so that's OK. Simon seems
to have added a load of extra tricks to his guitar repertoire. Some
reminded me lots of Ed Wynne, some vaguely of Dave Brock, but many seemed
original. Impressive and noisy stuff. He gets better all the time. He and
Martin were a bit ragged of voice I thought, or perhaps the mix was unkind
to them; Martin thought it was probably actually being kind as he wasn't
on form. But he also thought that it wasn't very tight, but that what they
might have lacked in tightness they made up in brutality; I really only
noticed the upside of that particular exchange if so, good to see them so
full-on after so long being unable to make the gigs. Lots of
applause: Martin saying `Bloody hell, anyone'd think you came to see
us' getting even more as I'm sure he expected.
"They were supporting the David Cross Band, which on due
inspection appears to be a young band gathered around the man who played
violin on King Crimson's _Larks Tongues in Aspic_. He himself was very
good, if somewhat damaged in my estimation by the same thing that every
rock violinist except Simon House is, to wit that he wasn't Simon House,
but you could usually hardly hear him when the band was going, and they
had a fat widdly guitarist who thought too much of himself, a drummer who
was a fabulous timekeeper, in as much as he could keep times I couldn't
count and still make it sound like he was really playing uninteresting 4:4
(I couldn't figure out how he did this) and a bass-player who was very
good but again, just not on fire. Also a mostly redundant keyboardist and
a singer whose bottom range was shaky but who was otherwise very good,
Unfortunately the words of their own stuff were lousy, and by far the best
thing they did, I think not just because I knew it, was a very long and
feeling-shot dual cover of Crimson's `Exiles' and `Talking Drum'. I felt
rather hypocritical, because I'd assumed they'd be little more than a
tribute act and here they were doing for the most part their own new
stuff, but I was rather wishing they wouldn't. In `Talking Drum' the
drummer managed to break his snare, and they did a three-piece song while
he wandered around back-stage plainly having a fag instead of fixing the
one that Litmus's drummer went and got out of the van for him. As they
finished that I wandered away, wishing that my bed wasn't still an
hour plus's journey away."
Litmus set-list was:
Intro [somewhere between `Erpriff' and `Stonehenge Decoded' I thought]
Infinity Drive
Dreams of Space
Destroy the Mothership
Tempest [I think; I never really got to grips with this number but I'm
sure it had developed some new bits since last I saw it, new vocal
sections in the break mainly--I'm still not sure this is as
successful as some other new or indeed some old stuff]
Under the Sign
*
Twinstar
Yours,
Jonathan
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU Thu Apr 21 15:44:54 2005
From: dkuznick at ALUMNI.BRANDEIS.EDU (David Kuznick)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:44:54 -0400
Subject: HW: Litmus Gig
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504211814360.30492-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.154454.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Quoting Jon Jarrett <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>:
> "They were supporting the David Cross Band, which on due
> inspection appears to be a young band gathered around the man who played
> violin on King Crimson's _Larks Tongues in Aspic_. He himself was very
> good, if somewhat damaged in my estimation by the same thing that every
> rock violinist except Simon House is, to wit that he wasn't Simon House,
> but you could usually hardly hear him when the band was going,
Ironically enough, that's pretty much why he and King Crimson parted ways in the
first place; he was fighting to be heard over the other guys, who were getting
heavier and heavier and louder and louder, especially John Wetton's bass.
Robert Fripp details this in the booklet that accompanies the Great Deceiver
boxset and I think there's also info in The Nightwatch booklet, IIRC.
--
David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu
"You should have seen the curse that flew right by you
Page of concrete, stained walks crutch in hobbled sway
Auto-da-f?, a capillary hint of red. Only this manupod
crescent in shape has escaped" Televators - THE MARS VOLTA
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 21 15:58:48 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:58:48 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.155848.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:42:41 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
wrote:
>Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
Here's his quote about rock music:
"... the expression of elemental passions which, in the big musical
festivals, have taken on a cultural character, that is to say, [the
character] of a counter-cult, opposed to Christian worship"
see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,12272,1463902,00.html
I'm just disappointed that after two "John Paul"s, he isn't taking the
name "George Ringo I" ...
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM Thu Apr 21 16:29:15 2005
From: atnr63 at DSL.PIPEX.COM (mark von bargen)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:29:15 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <1114104998.43365.38.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.212915.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Paul Mather wrote:
It's a crying shame that large numbers of people will die in
Africa and Latin America because Ratzinger will continue (and perhaps
intensify)Pope John Paul II's hard line dogma against condom use, thus
exacerbating the spread of HIV. It is indeed a bloody big
shame. :-(
Agreed, the Catholic church needs to change its stance on condom usage
quickly
I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the
urging of
Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills
from the UN
list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this
will sentence
approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every
year from
complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating
conditions or using unsafe practices. That must be Bush's way of promoting
the "culture of life" he keeps going on about. Sounds like he and Ratzinger
will get along famously...
Shocking. Perhaps we really need to understand why so many abortions are
being carried out around the world. Maybe the Catholic church changing its
stance on condoms may have a positive effect - perhaps Benedict XVI and co
need to be educated.
So, we can kill a kid with a pill these days - so cool, NOT.
Mark
From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Apr 21 17:22:06 2005
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:22:06 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.222206.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Interesting choice of favourite book this new pope has
-
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=631614
Mick
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Apr 21 17:42:17 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:42:17 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.174217.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:22:06 +0100, Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
wrote:
>Interesting choice of favourite book this new pope has
>
>http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=631614
Hey! That's on-topic! What's up with that? (Maybe he could do a guest
recitation of the German part onstage with Hawkwind.)
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Apr 21 18:45:52 2005
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:45:52 EDT
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.184552.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/21/2005 5:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes:
> <<Hey! That's on-topic! What's up with that? (Maybe he could do a guest
> <<recitation of the German part onstage with Hawkwind.)
>
>
'G' for Germany!
From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Apr 21 20:04:20 2005
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:04:20 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <200504201042.j3KAgf3n010963@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.200420.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:42:41AM +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
Well he's right, isn't he?
The only problem is, he thinks that's a *bad* thing.
--
| | /\
|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. eric_97 at pobox.com
| | /
Rock'n'roll music has taken his soul
Possesses his mind, your baby it stole
- RC
From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Apr 21 20:13:01 2005
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:13:01 -0400
Subject: Off....New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <200504211319.j3LDJAlH010009@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.201301.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 02:19:10PM +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> Does the Pope shit in the woods?
The old one must have done, being the outdoorsman he was in his
early life. Maybe not as Pope though :-)
--
| | /\
|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. eric_97 at pobox.com
| | /
The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so
many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to
represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
- Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum"
From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 21 22:29:44 2005
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:29:44 EDT
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.222944.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:59:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM writes:
When are you going to find a religious leader that
embraces rock and roll anyway?
Pope Lemmy I??
I'd vote for him!
Joe
From bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM Thu Apr 21 22:35:33 2005
From: bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM (gary shindler)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:35:33 -0700
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <20050421212206.45773.qmail@web86210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.193533.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent that to my Catholic, Hawkwind-hating wife. Maybe
she'll see the light. Of course Calvert's infidelities
won't help.
--- Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM> wrote:
> Interesting choice of favourite book this new pope
> has
> -
>
>
>
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>
> Mick
>
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From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Apr 21 22:42:02 2005
From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:42:02 EDT
Subject: New Pope don't rock
Message-ID: <THU.21.APR.2005.224202.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/21/2005 10:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bewlay68 at YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<Sent that to my Catholic, Hawkwind-hating wife
and all is right with the world!
bill s
From denis at PTI-INC.DE Fri Apr 22 07:08:42 2005
From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:08:42 +0200
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <426680F2.9050604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.130842.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi,
> Paul Mather wrote on 4/20/2005, 4:44 PM:
>
>> To be fair, it was hard not to be in the Hitler Youth, because
>> membership became compulsory for youths some time during WWII. Also,
>> late in the war, every eligible male between the ages of 16 and 60 was
>> conscripted into the Volksturm (the German "Home Guard"), as a
>> last-ditch effort to stem the tide of defeat.
>>
>> Still, conscientious objectors did resist being drafted, and were
>> usually sent to concentration camps as a result. I guess Mr.
>> Ratzinger
>> chose a path of least resistance...
He didn't chose "the path of least resistance". Sometimes during the
last months of the war, when he was serving as a "Flak-Helfer" he
deserted. He was just lucky to get caught by some disillusioned
Wehrmacht-soldiers (who just let him go!) instead of some SS guys, who
would, without a doubt, had him shot or hanged at once.
That of course doesn't suit the picture the British yellow press wants
to create in their typical psychotic "always mention the war"-tick.
On Apr 20, 2005, at 18:18 Uhr, Iain Ferguson wrote:
> I'd love for him to make me eat my words, but somehow I doubt the man
> has the sight to liberalise. Not from what he's said.
An acquaintance of mine went to the same priest seminar as Mr.
Ratzinger. He once told me that some of the writings by R. from before
his time as a member of the curia isn't exactly the ultra-conservative
stuff you would expect, but that there's a lot of liberalism in it. He
never told any details though...
Of course one also has to consider the position Ratzinger held for the
last twenty years. He was Prefect of the Congregation of Faith, more or
less the modern-day Grand Inquisitor. You _have_ (or seem...) to be
very conservative for that position, it's practically nr.1 in the job
description.
But regardless if someone else had become pope (Martini or some of the
Latin-American cardinals) I don't think that anyone would have
"legalised" the use of condoms or the pill, at least not at once. (IMO
the ban on contraceptives is one of the great idiocies of the Catholic
Church, together with priest-celibacy and the exclusion of women to act
as priests)
just my 0.02?
D+R
np: Philip Glass, "Akhnaten"
From denis at PTI-INC.DE Fri Apr 22 07:19:45 2005
From: denis at PTI-INC.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:19:45 +0200
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <20050421015902.20742.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.131945.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi,
On Apr 21, 2005, at 03:59 Uhr, gary shindler wrote:
> When are you going to find a religious leader that
> embraces rock and roll anyway?
The "abbot primas" (i.e. chief abbot of the whole order) of the
Benedictine Order plays e-guitar in a rock band.
(c)IAO
D+R
From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Apr 22 09:12:48 2005
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:12:48 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <000e01c545bb$b04c04a0$2efdfea9@ghostwheel3>; from coral@APORT.RU
on Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 07:14:46PM +0400
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.091248.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 07:14:46PM +0400, Alisa wrote:
> One question - how is the sound quality? Is it a copy from cd version or
> from vinyl?
>
> cheers,
> Alisa
Sound quality is very good to excellent on the main
album. It sounds like a professionally mastered CD.
On the bonus tracks, the sound quality is "pretty
good"; heck, better than many of the more commonly
available Hawkwind albums. Couldn't swear that they
weren't ripped from vinyl, because the occasional
distortion could be from a badly aligned needle or it
could be an artifact of the original cheapo recording.
I haven't gone through it with headphones, but I didn't
notice any telltale needle hiss or dusk clicks.
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Hakwind prices on Ebay
>
>
> > Stephen Swann writes:
> > > This reminds me, I recently picked up a strange,
> > > possibly bootleggy thing which is the Hawklords "25
> > > Years On" album, plus a couple of live tracks. It's
> > > not a CD-R, it's a commercially pressed CD, with
> > > copyright info that looks a little odd to me:
> > > (P) 1978 Charisma Records
> > > (C) 2001 Rock Fever
> > > RFM 014
> > >
> > > Made under license from Ridgetop Music
> > > This compilation (P) & (C) Rock Fever Music,
> > > Baumstrabe 10, 21175 Hamburg, Germany
> > >
> > > It has the 8 tracks of the original release,
> > > plus these two live tracks:
> > > 9. Who's Gonna Win The War 5:54
> > > (Brock)
> > > 10. Drug Cabinet Key 6:06
> > > (Brock/Calvert)
> >
> > Any idea which tracks from the Codex these are?
> >
> > Is there a source I can find the Rock Fever stuff without bidding on
> > Ebay?
> >
> > FoFP
> >
From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Apr 22 09:23:46 2005
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:23:46 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <20050422091248.A23217@cugc.org>; from swann@CUGC.ORG on Fri,
Apr 22, 2005 at 09:12:48AM -0400
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.092346.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 09:12:48AM -0400, Stephen Swann wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 07:14:46PM +0400, Alisa wrote:
> > One question - how is the sound quality? Is it a copy from cd version or
> > from vinyl?
> >
> > cheers,
> > Alisa
>
> Sound quality is very good to excellent on the main
> album. It sounds like a professionally mastered CD.
>
> On the bonus tracks, the sound quality is "pretty
> good"; heck, better than many of the more commonly
> available Hawkwind albums. Couldn't swear that they
> weren't ripped from vinyl, because the occasional
> distortion could be from a badly aligned needle or it
> could be an artifact of the original cheapo recording.
> I haven't gone through it with headphones, but I didn't
> notice any telltale needle hiss or dusk clicks.
And just to clarify yet further, when I talk about
distortion and cheapo recording, it's really not that
bad, and I'm really only referring to Drug Cabinet Key
(which is pretty cool song, too - reminds me vaguely of
the driving, relentless rythm of Valium 10). Who's
Gonna Win the War doesn't quite match Palace Springs or
The Business Trip for clarity, but it's pretty damn
good.
Overall, I'm really getting over my disappointment with
not getting a "real" Charisma copy of Hawklords... :)
--
Steve Swann | Speak to me in many voices, make
swann at cugc.org | them all sound like one
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Apr 22 09:30:33 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:30:33 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <5f4d50bd8518b7838f9033693bd6fb2b@pti-inc.de>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.143033.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 22/04/2005 12:19, Denis Regenbrecht wrote:
> The "abbot primas" (i.e. chief abbot of the whole order) of the
> Benedictine Order plays e-guitar in a rock band.
Far out! Do they have MP3s online? :)
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 22 10:56:24 2005
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:56:24 -0400
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <1e20aee0eb4701ef9bb4d73977083bb7@pti-inc.de>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.105624.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 13:08 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote:
> >> Still, conscientious objectors did resist being drafted, and were
> >> usually sent to concentration camps as a result. I guess Mr.
> >> Ratzinger
> >> chose a path of least resistance...
>
> He didn't chose "the path of least resistance". Sometimes during the
> last months of the war, when he was serving as a "Flak-Helfer" he
> deserted. He was just lucky to get caught by some disillusioned
> Wehrmacht-soldiers (who just let him go!) instead of some SS guys, who
> would, without a doubt, had him shot or hanged at once.
> That of course doesn't suit the picture the British yellow press wants
> to create in their typical psychotic "always mention the war"-tick.
FWIW, the "path of least resistance" was actually from a German
contemporary of Ratzinger who grew up in the same town, contrasting it
with the fate of someone who *did* elect to act as a conscientious
objector. Ratzinger just behaved as an average person would. But, as
someone pointed out in another article, the Pope is not supposed to be
"an average person." :-)
Just in case the tone of my original message has been obfuscated, I'll
make it clearer: I didn't see anything "sinister" in Ratzinger having
joined the Hitler Youth when he did (the implication seeming to be
"Hitler Youth member = Nazi supporter"). But, by the same token, I
don't think he acted out of true conscience when there were others that
did, even though by his own admission he felt opposed to the Nazi regime
at the time. (His anti-aircraft battery was attached to a BMW factory
whose workforce included slave labour from Dachau, and he was later sent
to the Austro-Hungarian border region where he saw Jews deported to
death camps.) Germans did resist the Nazi regime; Ratzinger chose not
to because he felt to do so would be "futile." He made a different
choice.
Perhaps the hard-line dogmatic approach now attributed to him
crystallised after WWII, and that's when his own moral compass became
strongly aligned. I've heard that the events of the late 60s were a
major influence.
> just my 0.02?
Mine, too.
Cheers,
Paul.
--
e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
"Don't mention the war!"
--- Basil Fawlty
From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 22 13:28:43 2005
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:28:43 +0100
Subject: Arthur Brown Biography
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.182843.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
No, not one of mine this time! (Turns attention away from space rock to other music forms right now!), but my great friends at SAF Publishing have a biography of Arthur Brown, written by journalist Polly Marshall, about to arrive. Pre-order discount from the publishers (www.safpublishing.com) is ?3.00 off the RRP (order direct and tell them 'em I sent you!). I know Arthur has a lot of fans round these lists and being SAF it'll be a really well put together book. Here's the spiel:
"I don't remember the Floyd as vividly as I remember Arthur Brown, 'cos I mean Arthur Brown, at that time, used to just stand there and insult the members of the audience in much the same way as people like Johnny Rotten." John Peel
"We saw Arthur Brown and his Crazy World and the whole thing was just an eye-opener to me. He used to sing 'I am the God of hellfire' and then he'd set fire to his fuckin' head. That told me a lot. I knew where I was heading from then on." George Clinton
In 1968, wearing a flaming helmet and sacrilegious robes, Arthur Brown hit the number-one slot worldwide with his hit single "Fire." The English singer has rained a volcano of influence on pop culture ever since. The original shocker has influenced everyone from Jimi Hendrix to Marilyn Manson, stopping off at Prodigy, Peter Gabriel and Alice Cooper en route.
Polly Marshall has produced an in-depth biography that probes every facet of Arthur Brown's complex personality. What emerges is not only a portrait of a counter culture icon and sixties pop star, but also spiritualist, free thinker, painter and decorator, as well as notorious outlaw arrested for firearms offences and public nakedness.
Arthur Brown is one of England's true eccentrics.
? Polly Marshall and Arthur Brown will be undertaking a major publicity tour to coincide with the book's publication including national TV, press and radio.
ISBN: 0-946719-77-2
Publication date: June 2005
A Hardback original
50 B&W illustrations and photographs
156 x 234mm, 256 pp
UK ?18.99 US $30.00
From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Apr 22 13:43:11 2005
From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:43:11 -0400
Subject: Hakwind prices on Ebay
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.134311.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:23:46 -0400, Stephen Swann <swann at CUGC.ORG> wrote:
>And just to clarify yet further, when I talk about
>distortion and cheapo recording, it's really not that
>bad, and I'm really only referring to Drug Cabinet Key
>(which is pretty cool song, too - reminds me vaguely of
>the driving, relentless rythm of Valium 10).
But doesn't it remind you a bit more of "Flying Doctor"? ;^)
Yes, the sound quality of the version on F&R vol.3 is pretty lo-fi to
begin with, so even if this track came from the original source tape, I'd
expect it to be a bit muffled & distorted.
-Doug
jasret at mindspring.com
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 22 14:08:07 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:08:07 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:48:40 -0400
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.190807.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Paul Mather writes:
> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 18:44 +0100, M Holmes wrote:
> > Paul Mather writes:
> >
> > > I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
> > > Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
> > > list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
> > > approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
> > > complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
> > > or using unsafe practices.
> >
> > Oh come on. It won't sentence anyone to anything. They could respond by
> > just not having an abortion. Unless "sentence" is used in the context of
> > "We made car protection a priority, thus sentencing erstwhile car
> > thieves to the more dangerous pursuit of robbery".
> >
> > There are arguments both pro and anti abortion. The above isn't one of
> > them.
[stuff bordering on insult elided...]
> The fact is that denying a safer medical treatment will knowingly put
> patients using the more dangerous one at greater risk
Nobody is denying the treatment. What's been proposed is simply that it
isn't provided on the taxpayer's dime. Since many taxpayers have great
ethical objections (I'm not particularly one of them) to abortion, I
think that's entirely reasonable.
> I'm not going to get into one of your debates on BOC-L.
Fairy Nuff. Let's drop it then.
> Looking back at the genesis of this entire thread, I suddenly feel the
> victim of an elaborate troll.
Not by me. I just said that the Pope don't rock. The last thing I'd have
brought into it is abortion. I don't like either side of that argument.
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 22 14:13:38 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:13:38 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:59:09 -0400
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.191338.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Nick Medford writes:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:44:51 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> wrote:
>
> >Paul Mather writes:
> >
> >> I just read yesterday on the Grauniad that the US (at the urging of
> >> Bush) has blocked the addition of certain abortion pills from the UN
> >> list of "essential medicines." It's estimated that this will sentence
> >> approximately 68,000 women in poor countries to die every year from
> >> complications of having surgical abortions in poor operating conditions
> >> or using unsafe practices.
> >
> >Oh come on. It won't sentence anyone to anything. They could respond by
> >just not having an abortion.
>
> Yes, it's so simple, isn't it?
The abortion debate? Nope, it's horrendously complicated, which is why I
don't think dumb logic like:
"X won't pay for Y's abortion pill" implies
"X wants to force Y to have a backstreet abortion"
are a useful contribution either to that debate, or a list about rock
music. Call me fussy, but sometimes I can't let dumb logic pass without
letting off a shot.
> In fact one of the major uses of the "abortion pill" in southern Africa (and
> probably other places as well, I just know more about SA) is to induce
> termination of pregnancy in girls who have become pregnant as a result of
> rape
Which is IMHO a Good Thing, but a lot of people do think that abortion
is a Bad Thing and I see no good reason to force them to pay for
abortions.
> something which is horrfiyingly common in many areas. The withdrawal
> of this option will indeed be sentencing these girls to either a) dodgy
> "bush medicine" surgery as Paul outlined, or b) becoming the mother of a
> "rape baby". Quite a choice.
It's a horrible world indeed, but consider whether it would be improved
by forcing people to pay for something they abhor.
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 22 14:20:48 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:20:48 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: mark von bargen's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:29:15 +0100
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.192048.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
mark von bargen writes:
> Maybe the Catholic church changing its
> stance on condoms may have a positive effect
That'd be great, but under Ratzinger, I suspect it would also be a
genuine miracle.
FoFP
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 22 14:22:29 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:22:29 +0100
Subject: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Michael Crook's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:22:06 +0100
Message-ID: <FRI.22.APR.2005.192229.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Michael Crook writes:
> Interesting choice of favourite book this new pope has
[Steppenwolf]
Hey, let's send him a copy of the song...
FoFP
From capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM Sat Apr 23 13:43:30 2005
From: capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM (Captain Cloud)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:43:30 -0400
Subject: new releases from The Spacious Mind
Message-ID: <SAT.23.APR.2005.134330.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
<leaving lurk mode>
Just received an email from The Spacious Mind about the following new
releases, available now:
A new studio cd from Swedens finest.
"Rotv?lta" is 55.59 minutes with some of the best stuff ever from Space Your
Face Studios.
Order it from us or from any of our friends:
clearspot, ace of discs, freak emporium, among others, should have it
available next week or so.
from us:
140 SEK, paypal payment:
henrik at countrymanrecords.com
And also the two first releases in our cdr series is here to be ordered:
CCDR001 - The Spacious Mind, Live 030228, Skellefte?
CCDR002 - R?d Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God, Title Unknown
Each release is limited to 50 copies, numbered and in a nice paper
packing.
Price: 80 SEK.
And yes, the website will be updated soon.
The web site for The Spacious Mind is at http://www.countrymanrecords.com
Note that R?d Kjetil is not part of TSM, rather this is a different group
(no TSM members) on the private label that TSM runs. And, this release is
not the official release that came out just a few months ago, but rather a
new release by R?d Kjetil and co.
Note also that my Paypal account is not set up for Swedish Kronors, so I
used http://www.xe.com to convert the SEK amount into USD and transferred
that amount (rounded up) as my payment.
Cheers,
Captain Cloud
capcloud at hawklord.com
<returning to lurk mode>
From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Apr 23 15:22:27 2005
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:22:27 -0400
Subject: Off: new releases from The Spacious Mind
In-Reply-To: <KEEOKMKIJPIPGBCJMLBLAEGPGBAA.capcloud@hawklord.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.APR.2005.152227.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Thanks Captain!!
I will get them all as soon as the funds I just transferred into the paypal
account clear. If Ace of Discs does not have them next week, I will order
direct. Hopefully the
http://www.countrymanrecords.com will be updated by then. This will help
ease the pain while waiting for Take Me To Your Leader.
Chris R.
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
[mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET]On Behalf Of Captain Cloud
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:44 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: new releases from The Spacious Mind
<leaving lurk mode>
Just received an email from The Spacious Mind about the following new
releases, available now:
A new studio cd from Swedens finest.
"Rotv?lta" is 55.59 minutes with some of the best stuff ever from Space Your
Face Studios.
Order it from us or from any of our friends:
clearspot, ace of discs, freak emporium, among others, should have it
available next week or so.
from us:
140 SEK, paypal payment:
henrik at countrymanrecords.com
And also the two first releases in our cdr series is here to be ordered:
CCDR001 - The Spacious Mind, Live 030228, Skellefte?
CCDR002 - R?d Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God, Title Unknown
Each release is limited to 50 copies, numbered and in a nice paper
packing.
Price: 80 SEK.
And yes, the website will be updated soon.
The web site for The Spacious Mind is at http://www.countrymanrecords.com
Note that R?d Kjetil is not part of TSM, rather this is a different group
(no TSM members) on the private label that TSM runs. And, this release is
not the official release that came out just a few months ago, but rather a
new release by R?d Kjetil and co.
Note also that my Paypal account is not set up for Swedish Kronors, so I
used http://www.xe.com to convert the SEK amount into USD and transferred
that amount (rounded up) as my payment.
Cheers,
Captain Cloud
capcloud at hawklord.com
<returning to lurk mode>
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Apr 23 15:41:02 2005
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:41:02 -0400
Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock, Alchemical Radio,
and Drool Trough shows
Message-ID: <SAT.23.APR.2005.154102.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
http://Aural-Innovations.com
April 23, 2005: NEW RADIO SHOWS
We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show
#125), Drool Trough (show #29), and Alchemical Radio (show #85). You can go
directly to the Radio shows page at:
http://aural-innovations.com/radio/radio.html
MAIL ORDER NEWS: The new store is completed and I?ll unveil it once the
first batch of new stock arrives. I?ve got the entire God Damn I?m A
Countryman label catalog coming, including their just released new Spacious
Mind CD, several titles from the Black Widow label, Stone Premonitions, CD?s
from THTX, Alien Dream and more. I?m going to do this in waves so I don?t
get hit all at once, but be assured I?ll have quite a bit more than in the
past. And as of now I accept credit cards so you can pay for your orders
with VISA or MASTERCARD.
Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (show #125)
Floorian ? ?Descend? (from What The Buzzing)
Farflung ? ?These Clouds Are Solid? (from Hall of Mirrors)
Abunai! ? ?Our Wayward Fuel? (from Hall of Mirrors)
Earthling Society - "Black Witch" (from Albion)
Weltraumstaunen ? ?Black Dove Part II? (from Weltraumwelt)
Shiver ? ?Interstellar Vision? (from San Francisco?s Shiver)
Michael J. Bowman ? ?Jet Black Joy Stick? (from Joy Rocket Terminal)
Vocokesh ? ?Suddenly A Bright Light? (from Upon Further Examination)
Depressive Art ? ?Psychedelic Ghostride? (from The Ghostride Experience)
Mandragora ? ?Around The World (Live)? (from Earthdance)
The Cydonia Region ? ?Imagination Transmission #1? (from Space Aged)
Comets On Fire ? ?The Bee and the Cracking Egg? (from Blue Cathedral)
Zolar X ? ?The Horizon Suite: Overture On Air/Tomorrow?s Sunrise/Inside The
Outside/Sound? (from Timeless)
Alchemical Radio (show #85)
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From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 23 21:45:03 2005
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:45:03 EDT
Subject: HW: "Daze of the Underground" Rev. just for fun Disc I
Message-ID: <SAT.23.APR.2005.214503.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
uhh...to sharpen up my not-so-honed review-chops and also just for fun (so
used to having had at least a few before i even start), thought i'd put down my
comments on this release, old hat for most maybe, but i just picked it up a
coupla months ago (haven't listened to it in a while actually). (Curious to see
others' comments/faves, or should i just go look in the Archives?) sorta im
promptu...culled from amidst pages of rambling boring peronal-journal and notes
on the "A.A." book and what-not...starfarer feel free to do a piss-take if any
of it's overly-sentimental or pretentious...
generall speaking, i guess you could say this is more from the metal/doom
angle (w/many current and classic space-rock bands that fall somewhere in
between) than either the indie/crust/post-punk-ish "Assassins of Silence" or the
techno-remix "Ritual of the Solstice"...anyway, the three together indicate quite
a span of influence, though all these tributes may be a bit indulgent.
what the smeg, here it goes...
Time Blake "Spirit of the Age"
There truly are several great distinctive re-constructions of this tune, this
one naturally adhering more to the '79 era, which Tim co-arranged, i
guess...just love that crisp, bright, tight synth-driven sound...that lead is
fantastic!...is that guit or some kind of synth?? super-human realms of texture and
dexterity...sounds like Huw possessed by Hendrix... tim's vocal is nasally and
properly low-mixed, but perfect.
Litmus "Paradox"
faithful to the orig. even to the point of reproducing the melotron, but
heavier metallic power-chords for the juiced-up bit and plenty of attack-fx, two
voices to address the Lemmy and Brock tones, good energy, anachronistic
Huw-style leads
Amorphis "levitation"
one of the first high-profile metal acts to release a HW cover, I was so
psyched when this came out 'cause i'd been telling my old metal friends that they
should all dig on HW...but less stoked now...those chunky sterile, compressed,
claustrophobic power chords cannot breath into space...
Spacehead "Right Stuff"
These guys blew me away when they released "In Space We Trust", seemed like
they wanted to throw some balls-out thrashing metal and british tribal music
together and take it for a ride. this is a good version, more of a swift stomp
than incessant thrash-snare; but there've been so many, HW and otherwise, and
only seems a good excuse to bring attention to a truly classic cover-version,
and definitive reinterpretation of the original, Pressurehed's - featured on
the Sudden Vertigo album, recalls the original's chords and words but takes to a
parallel universe of rhythmic, noisy, menacing, industrial, totally-inspired
space-rock! wow, i'm getting excited... (but listening to Vocokesh now, which
is good...)
Back to the death-metal scene, we have Meads of Asphodel - "Utopia" the vox
of course are pure death shite-style, everything else pretty standard besides
the "bored shitless" bit, some new fx, alan on bass, huw on guit. not bad, but
basically expendable...which maybe makes it bad...considering the
oversaturation of covers in the midst...
A basically unrecognizable "Song of the Swords" by Enchanted sped up to
thrash -tempo, i kinda like this interpretation and the tight death-style
drum-fills and the guit that recalls the orig. keyboard riff in the chorus - vox are
death-growl and black-screech respectively, but once again basically shite, as
have been most since about '91/'92.
I like Alan's increasingly-harsh vocal style as here on Bedouin's "Sword of
the East", becoming gradually more like #1.
Silver Machine does itself and tries to recreate the original feel i suppose,
but why bother? i think my favorite cover (piss-take really) is Sore Throat's
"Silver Kerching". The original (or should we say HW's own original remix)
simply has a sense of "moment" inherently born of a time and place and space
(even if it's not truly live) not reproducable, a freaky space-pop fluke not even
the group themselves have ever recaptured, or even tried.
Murkins redo "Psi Power", overly faithful to the original "armchair"
Hawklords version right down to texture and tuning, expendable.
Quarkspace does QS&C natch, an entirely silly rendition w/Paul Williams'
obnoxious ever-present "Bop!"-snare, and sloppy live faux-brit dual-vox, bright
cheery piano stomps, some fuzz guitar - appropriate! Still, recalls its
far-surperior "Assassins" counterpart - the disturbingly-whacked version by Puff
Tube, as unlikely an event as even HW's own "Silver Machine".
Overmars - takes on the godly "Magnu" and succeeds! suitably heavy and
stomping job, ups the menace a bit with a modern doom-metal rhythm guitar while the
keys remain lofty, spacy, inspired.
Alpha Omega does a decent "Refer Madness" here, w/some good '70s-style keys,
plenty of fx, but misses the satirical inflection of Uncle Bob's original
vocal.
ST 37 "Orgone Accumulator"
might have been curious to hear something more recent from ST, but this is
sort of a classic itself, typically noisy fuzzed-out stomp, scott's whiny
punk-yodel nearly drowned out by the storm of guitar, fx and tronics, throws in some
additional reflections on Reich later on in the whigged-out boogie.
We get another "Magnu" from History of Guns. i've always been partial to this
tune, far more so than many others' faves (like "paradox", for one), so i
hafta love it, esp. the techno/electro-style percussives, but it's meant more as
a reprise and end to disc I, thus truncated...
Disc II comin' soon, i guess...
NP: "Silver Machine" by Namesake (you've got your own, but it's not as good
as the orig. model)
NE: Nature Valley oats 'n' honey granola-bar
NQ: Screwdriver, hold the Rotka
From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Apr 24 07:27:37 2005
From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:27:37 -0400
Subject: Off: new releases from The Spacious Mind
Message-ID: <SUN.24.APR.2005.072737.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
All God Damn I'm A Countryman releases will be stock at Aural Innovations.
They were mailed from Sweden this week. Drop me a note to reserve.
Jerry
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 25 10:52:11 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:52:11 +0100
Subject: OFF: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005042115584806@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <MON.25.APR.2005.155211.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Doug Pearson wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:42:41 +0100, M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> wrote:
> >Seems Benedict once said that rock music is a vehicle of anti-religion.
>
> Here's his quote about rock music:
> "... the expression of elemental passions which, in the big musical
> festivals, have taken on a cultural character, that is to say, [the
> character] of a counter-cult, opposed to Christian worship"
>
> see:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,12272,1463902,00.html
The thing is, factually I don't think this is controversial. A
left-wing moderate Christian could safely say this of almost any heavy
metal gig, where throwing of horns and songs about Satan are, let's face
it, not rare. And while it's not terribly significant in theological terms
characterising such things as a `counter-cult' is probably fair enough. If
that was as far as he went I don't think we'd have much to worry about.
I don't think we *do* have much to worry about, I should say, but
all the same the true depth of the problem is that we are talking here
about the man who came up with rubbish like this:
http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9611D&L=BOC-L&D=0&I=-3&P=10604
Which as we said at the time, is mighty unfair to bands like
Sabbath given how many more bands there are would kill to be on that list,
if indeed (Mayhem spring to mind) they haven't already...
> I'm just disappointed that after two "John Paul"s, he isn't taking the
> name "George Ringo I" ...
Perhaps papal nomenclature reflects the writing credits... But
seriously, I imagine given the above he'd be keen to avoid their
`subliminal Satanic influence'... Yours,
Jon
ObCD: Hawkwind - _Love In Space_
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 25 12:25:47 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:25:47 +0100
Subject: OFF: New Pope don't rock
In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:52:11 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.25.APR.2005.172547.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon Jarrett writes:
> http://listserv.ispnetinc.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9611D&L=BOC-L&D=0&I=-3&P=10604
Y'know, I'd utterly forgotten I'd written that. Damned if I didn't
prophesy the next Pope huh?
FoFP
From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Apr 26 02:51:45 2005
From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller))
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:51:45 +0200
Subject: HW: Bergen!
Message-ID: <TUE.26.APR.2005.085145.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hello!
I just wanted to tell everyone on the list that I will be attending the
Hawkwind concert in Bergen Norway on Weds May 4th. It was a last minute
decisions but I had to go..... crazy Hawkwind fans. I will also talk to
the band and get the final word, if they even know about Take me to your
Leader! I promise!
later,
scott
ObCD- Brant Bjork and the Bros with Ed Mundell Live at Roadburn 2005
From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Apr 26 07:32:47 2005
From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller))
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:32:47 +0200
Subject: HW in Bergen Update
Message-ID: <TUE.26.APR.2005.133247.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hej,
I just spoke to Thomas the Singer in WE and he has been
corresponding with the band and they are bringing the full psychedelic
lightshow including Dancers to Bergen for this show. WE will also jam
with Hawkwind as well so it is going to be an amazing show. If you don't
know the Norwegian band, WE, you should really check them out. The best
band in Norway and playing one part heavy, one part psych and one part
space but all ROCK..
www.werock.org
anyone else flying to Bergen?????
scott
From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Apr 26 08:44:27 2005
From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:44:27 -0400
Subject: HW: Litmus gigs
Message-ID: <TUE.26.APR.2005.084427.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
A reminder of 2 gigs and an announcement of a new one:
May 19th: The Underworld Camden, supporting The Atomic Bitchwax (Litmus
onstage 19:30)
June 19th: the Tackeroo, Hednesford
June 30th: The Man on the Moon, Cambridge
Hopefully, we will see you at one (or more) of these.
Colin
From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Apr 26 09:17:18 2005
From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:17:18 +0100
Subject: HW: Litmus gigs
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005042608442701@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.APR.2005.141718.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On 26/04/2005 13:44, Colin J Allen wrote:
> June 30th: The Man on the Moon, Cambridge
Cool! I think I can make that at last :) My own band has a couple of
upcoming gigs at the Man on the Moon :)
Space rock on!
Cheers,
Carl
--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:cea at carlaz.com
http://www.carlaz.com/
From coral at APORT.RU Wed Apr 27 04:48:30 2005
From: coral at APORT.RU (Alisa)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:48:30 +0400
Subject: new releases from The Spacious Mind
Message-ID: <WED.27.APR.2005.124830.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hi,
some time ago in one interview with Vintersorg founder Andreas Hedlund I've
read that he is going to work on some projects with musicians from Spacious
Mind, is this true?..
cheers,
Alisa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Captain Cloud" <capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: new releases from The Spacious Mind
> <leaving lurk mode>
>
> Just received an email from The Spacious Mind about the following new
> releases, available now:
>
>
> A new studio cd from Swedens finest.
> "Rotv?lta" is 55.59 minutes with some of the best stuff ever from Space
Your
> Face Studios.
>
> Order it from us or from any of our friends:
> clearspot, ace of discs, freak emporium, among others, should have it
> available next week or so.
>
> from us:
> 140 SEK, paypal payment:
> henrik at countrymanrecords.com
>
> And also the two first releases in our cdr series is here to be ordered:
> CCDR001 - The Spacious Mind, Live 030228, Skellefte?
> CCDR002 - R?d Kjetil And The Loving Eye Of God, Title Unknown
>
> Each release is limited to 50 copies, numbered and in a nice paper
> packing.
> Price: 80 SEK.
>
> And yes, the website will be updated soon.
>
>
>
> The web site for The Spacious Mind is at http://www.countrymanrecords.com
>
> Note that R?d Kjetil is not part of TSM, rather this is a different group
> (no TSM members) on the private label that TSM runs. And, this release is
> not the official release that came out just a few months ago, but rather a
> new release by R?d Kjetil and co.
>
> Note also that my Paypal account is not set up for Swedish Kronors, so I
> used http://www.xe.com to convert the SEK amount into USD and transferred
> that amount (rounded up) as my payment.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Captain Cloud
> capcloud at hawklord.com
>
> <returning to lurk mode>
>
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 28 13:55:49 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:55:49 +0100
Subject: NIK: Space Ritual @ The 100 Club, London, 22nd April 2005
Message-ID: <THU.28.APR.2005.185549.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Dear All,
I went to a show and wrote one of me reviews,
like. Forgive the explanations for non-fans :-)
"It'd been a while since I'd caught up with ex-Hawkwind
saxophonist Nik Turner's attempt to keep the old hippy fires burning,
partly because they tend to stay well west of London and partly because
they've never been more than a fun amateur retread act in my experience,
all right but never earth-shattering. You go with low expectations, you
come home happy, on a good night they might have had time to rehearse
beforehand, that sort of thing. Continual promises of an imminent new
album and a setlist consisting mainly of songs that were new before I was
born rather fail to shake the impression that at best this is a Hawkwind
tribute band, however many original members they may have.
"Let me say to start off, they seem to be suddenly, after years of
playing this part, out to change something of it. But it took me a while to
adjust. Having been bombarded with a slowly-increasing number of promised
original members which finally reached seven (the first Hawkwind was a
six-piece) but which included their later Canadian synth player who these days
plays a strung wood-axe through a VCS3 synthi, and a two-and-a-half hour
show, I was expecting something unusual, but the kit on the stage did not
include Del's axe and VCS3, and while it did include two drum kits, one was
very cut-down and there were some DJ decks in front of it, and an electric
organ next to it. I was suspicious. Especially when, at nine-thirty, the
two-and-a-half hour show hadn't yet started, and no-one I'd expected to come
and see it had done so (one had, but I hadn't found her yet). The house DJ was
playing a variety of old blues and rock and roll, but not with any apparent
attempt to make it coherent or attention-grabbing, and I was feeling restive.
"At about that point, however, young Sam Ollis, son of the
original Hawkwind drummer, made an appearance on stage, behind the decks,
and it became clear after a few minutes that the `show' was going to
include a set from him. He began with various bits of B-movie sample over
the last track of the house DJ's, and then expanded into old dub and after
a little while in that theme finally let a few beats into things. I've not
seen this being done up close before, so I couldn't really tell you how
good he was at it, but he was managing to build up some excitement and
adding more and more space noise into it from somewhere, quite possibly
the records as at least one of them was later exposed by Space Ritual's
dancer to be a samples compilation. Well, whatever, sounded good to
me. And after he'd been going about a quarter of an hour, a saxophonist we
all knew took position on stage beside him followed by the rest of the
band and began to make noises around him. And thus I could discover that
tonight's line-up was, left to right, Thomas Crimble (Hawkwind 1971) on organ,
vocals and guitar, also with beard suitable for playing Father Chistmas
in, Sam Ollis, decks and minimalist drums, Dave Anderson (Hawkwind
1971-1972) on bass and vocals, Nik Turner Esq (Hawkwind 1970-1976,
1982-1985, 1997-1998, now legally forbidden to use the name) on vocals,
sax, flute, and cowbell, Terry Ollis (Hawkwind 1970-1972) on drums, Mick
Slattery (Hawkwind 1970) on lead guitar and "John the Ghost" on synth. So
there you go.
"Now, young Master Ollis did not leave the decks. Instead he used
them as a source of extra weird noise and scratching and as Nik intoned
`Welcome to the Future' (which Hawkwind always used to do at the *end* of
their sets) and Crimble sat down at the organ what emerged was a dub
version of `Ghost Dance'. By the look of the live album they were selling
I should call this `Cosmic Chant' and since all that was really retained
was the chanted vocals, which originally came off an Inner City Unit song
anyway, maybe that's fair enough. But it was actually quite good, which is
more than one could ever say for `Ghost Dance'. I was already settling
into this. Lots of red and yellow lights, Space Ritual's usual and
excellent dancer, fairly gentle dub and scratching, was, as this faded
gently out, the equally dub version of Robert Calvert's `The Right Stuff'
from _Captain Lockheed_. I'm not sure that really got over the intense
lyrics about a high-speed fighter pilot, but it was still quite
pleasant, and I've seen an *awful* lot of versions of this since Monster
Magnet added it to their set not so long ago, and I was very glad of any
that didn't just bore me by now and this didn't. So far so good.
"I should say that for this one Sam Ollis had left the decks and
gone back to his kit, but he played it standing up, one foot on kick-drum
pedal and the rest done by lightly-held sticks. I remember the first time
I saw the father-and-son drum partnership and they were rock-solid but
very very difficult to stop or move. Someone seems to have thought about
how to change that, and now young Master Ollis is leaving the heavy rhythm
to his dad, who is good at it, not quite as good as he was in 1971 in the
patch when the drugs were working and before he was fired for falling off
his stool stoned too much during gigs but hey, is Clapton any good
now? No, so. Sam was instead dancing new patterns round his dad's rhythm,
adding a distinctly drum'n'bass kind of accent to the percussion which
again, went down pretty well as far as I was concerned. All through the
gig, while the stringsmen might have been a bit plodding and basic,
especially Mr Crimble who just isn't continuous enough to be playing
space-rock dammit, the Ollis pair made sure that for those with ears to
hear, there was something interesting going on with the rhythms and several
different things at once to dance too.
"`Right Stuff' finished with a second break by Slattery absolutely
dripping with wah, anyway, and next came `Born To Go'. Crimble still at the
organ meant that this too emerged as a slight dub, which was a gimmick I was
maybe adjusting to by now but it was played up to quite well and again I saw no
reason to be disappointed. Ollis Jr returned to the decks for the tone
poem `Sonic Attack', and I have to say this was one of the better versions
I've seen, genuinely unsettling not least because of young Ollis's DJing
additions, and certainly the shortest version I've ever seen Nik do which
has to be good.
"It took me a while to recognise what they played next, partly
because it's ridiculously obscure, coming off the bootleg out-takes album
from an Egyptian concept album Nik did in 1978 under the name Sphynx with
various people who would these days prefer to think they knew better than
that, and partly because they'd left out all the musical complexity and
just gone for a simple chord sequence as backing, but it was nonetheless
`Chronological Crime' or whatever its name really is, and I was so
delighted to see it done at all that I was almost ready to forgive their
complete ducking of the challenge of actually playing the thing. Almost.
Nik did get all the words right though, which is not easy to do. Ollis on
the kit for this one, needlessly as it just wasn't very exciting. He moved
back to the decks for an equally lacklustre version of `Orgone
accumulator', however, and it didn't make it any more exciting so perhaps
he was not the limiting factor. Restricted to cheesy blues by what was
becoming a monotonously fixed pace and the organ, I can't say this was my
favourite version even though I've only seen it done two or three times.
This will probably always come bottom of that pile.
"Now however things took a turn for the better. Nik read a poem
I'd not heard before, the refrain being along the pattern if "all our
hearts are frozen now", the noun changing each verse, and that wasn't
actually bad, and they went from there into `D-Rider', which is always
slow and suits it and was as it usually is quite beautiful in a simple
heavy way. and Crimble finally picked up his guitar, which added to the
weight, while Sam Ollis went back to his drums, and so the flavour of the
act had now changed rather, a lumbering prog monster lurching forth from
the cheery dub ruins and this was the form they took for the rest of the
set.
"Perhaps it was inevitable then that they now went into Nik's best
ever song, `Brainstorm'. It was still a little tame, but I can at least
say that I've now seen a version of `Brainstorm' with cowbell, because
that's what Nik was doing for those bits of it which he wasn't covering in
blarty saxophone or actually occasionally singing.
"Following that came the group's actually-new number, `Sonic
Savages', which is simple as you'd expect but not bad, and during it Angie
the dancer, who having appeared in various costumes throughout (including
a French maid outfit I really couldn't see the relevance of) was now
attired as musketeer and dubbed Dave Anderson with her foil as she passed
along the stage, which amused me. By the time they wound that up and went
into a reasonable version of Calvert's `Ejection', she was a PVC-habited
nun blessing everyone and it actually had something to do with the whole
thing. She can actually dance which always helps. Not a great `Ejection',
and followed by a similarly not-excellent `Watching the Grass Grow', but
all was atoned for by a solid and brutal `Master of the Universe'. Mind
you I've never seen a bad version, I'm not sure if one's possible, but I
did enjoy this.
"Last number was `Silver Machine', of course, preceded with Nik's
`Thunder Rider Rap' and accompanied with a silver-clad Angie (who had had two
other dancers passing through the crowd and getting people dancing with them
to add to the party mood, but they seemed to get tired of this after half an
hour and just wandered round looking stroppy instead), and that was, well, I've
heard better but hey. And after the band had cleared the stage Nik stayed on
and played `The Pink Panther Theme' on sax and then led the crowd in an
acapella version of `Bones of Elvis' so you'd have to say he was trying to give
us our money's worth.
"All in all this band is limited. They're most limited of all by
Thomas Crimble's basic rhythm style which never allows them any real
ferocity or attack, though I get the sense also that Terry Ollis has a
favourite speed which it's very difficult to shake him out of. The pace
was always the same except during `D-Rider' when it slowed down. I think
they did attempt to speed `Watching the Grass Grow' up a bit but it didn't
really work. On the other hand, it's quite fun, and they (perhaps in fact
just Sam Ollis, but everyone has clearly decided to run with it) seem to
be trying to do something fairly major to reinvent the old material. There
is, in short, something going on here still, though sometimes it really
has to work to make its way out. Will it ever make it, I have to
wonder? But at least it wasn't what I'd been expecting."
Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Apr 28 21:15:45 2005
From: mikemont at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Montfort)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:15:45 -0400
Subject: Space Ritual @ The 100 Club, London, 22nd April 2005
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0504281848110.16165-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.28.APR.2005.211545.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
As you all know Nik allows his shows to be traded.
With that in mind I do have a good copy of the show and am creating a "tree"
under the auspices of the NeoQuark Yahoo Group.
Email me offlist if you want to be a part of this.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On
Behalf Of Jon Jarrett
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:56 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: NIK: Space Ritual @ The 100 Club, London, 22nd April 2005
Dear All,
I went to a show and wrote one of me reviews,
like. Forgive the explanations for non-fans :-)
"It'd been a while since I'd caught up with ex-Hawkwind
saxophonist Nik Turner's attempt to keep the old hippy fires burning,
partly because they tend to stay well west of London and partly because
they've never been more than a fun amateur retread act in my experience,
all right but never earth-shattering. You go with low expectations, you
come home happy, on a good night they might have had time to rehearse
beforehand, that sort of thing. Continual promises of an imminent new
album and a setlist consisting mainly of songs that were new before I was
born rather fail to shake the impression that at best this is a Hawkwind
tribute band, however many original members they may have.
"Let me say to start off, they seem to be suddenly, after years of
playing this part, out to change something of it. But it took me a while to
adjust. Having been bombarded with a slowly-increasing number of promised
original members which finally reached seven (the first Hawkwind was a
six-piece) but which included their later Canadian synth player who these
days
plays a strung wood-axe through a VCS3 synthi, and a two-and-a-half hour
show, I was expecting something unusual, but the kit on the stage did not
include Del's axe and VCS3, and while it did include two drum kits, one was
very cut-down and there were some DJ decks in front of it, and an electric
organ next to it. I was suspicious. Especially when, at nine-thirty, the
two-and-a-half hour show hadn't yet started, and no-one I'd expected to come
and see it had done so (one had, but I hadn't found her yet). The house DJ
was
playing a variety of old blues and rock and roll, but not with any apparent
attempt to make it coherent or attention-grabbing, and I was feeling
restive.
"At about that point, however, young Sam Ollis, son of the
original Hawkwind drummer, made an appearance on stage, behind the decks,
and it became clear after a few minutes that the `show' was going to
include a set from him. He began with various bits of B-movie sample over
the last track of the house DJ's, and then expanded into old dub and after
a little while in that theme finally let a few beats into things. I've not
seen this being done up close before, so I couldn't really tell you how
good he was at it, but he was managing to build up some excitement and
adding more and more space noise into it from somewhere, quite possibly
the records as at least one of them was later exposed by Space Ritual's
dancer to be a samples compilation. Well, whatever, sounded good to
me. And after he'd been going about a quarter of an hour, a saxophonist we
all knew took position on stage beside him followed by the rest of the
band and began to make noises around him. And thus I could discover that
tonight's line-up was, left to right, Thomas Crimble (Hawkwind 1971) on
organ,
vocals and guitar, also with beard suitable for playing Father Chistmas
in, Sam Ollis, decks and minimalist drums, Dave Anderson (Hawkwind
1971-1972) on bass and vocals, Nik Turner Esq (Hawkwind 1970-1976,
1982-1985, 1997-1998, now legally forbidden to use the name) on vocals,
sax, flute, and cowbell, Terry Ollis (Hawkwind 1970-1972) on drums, Mick
Slattery (Hawkwind 1970) on lead guitar and "John the Ghost" on synth. So
there you go.
"Now, young Master Ollis did not leave the decks. Instead he used
them as a source of extra weird noise and scratching and as Nik intoned
`Welcome to the Future' (which Hawkwind always used to do at the *end* of
their sets) and Crimble sat down at the organ what emerged was a dub
version of `Ghost Dance'. By the look of the live album they were selling
I should call this `Cosmic Chant' and since all that was really retained
was the chanted vocals, which originally came off an Inner City Unit song
anyway, maybe that's fair enough. But it was actually quite good, which is
more than one could ever say for `Ghost Dance'. I was already settling
into this. Lots of red and yellow lights, Space Ritual's usual and
excellent dancer, fairly gentle dub and scratching, was, as this faded
gently out, the equally dub version of Robert Calvert's `The Right Stuff'
from _Captain Lockheed_. I'm not sure that really got over the intense
lyrics about a high-speed fighter pilot, but it was still quite
pleasant, and I've seen an *awful* lot of versions of this since Monster
Magnet added it to their set not so long ago, and I was very glad of any
that didn't just bore me by now and this didn't. So far so good.
"I should say that for this one Sam Ollis had left the decks and
gone back to his kit, but he played it standing up, one foot on kick-drum
pedal and the rest done by lightly-held sticks. I remember the first time
I saw the father-and-son drum partnership and they were rock-solid but
very very difficult to stop or move. Someone seems to have thought about
how to change that, and now young Master Ollis is leaving the heavy rhythm
to his dad, who is good at it, not quite as good as he was in 1971 in the
patch when the drugs were working and before he was fired for falling off
his stool stoned too much during gigs but hey, is Clapton any good
now? No, so. Sam was instead dancing new patterns round his dad's rhythm,
adding a distinctly drum'n'bass kind of accent to the percussion which
again, went down pretty well as far as I was concerned. All through the
gig, while the stringsmen might have been a bit plodding and basic,
especially Mr Crimble who just isn't continuous enough to be playing
space-rock dammit, the Ollis pair made sure that for those with ears to
hear, there was something interesting going on with the rhythms and several
different things at once to dance too.
"`Right Stuff' finished with a second break by Slattery absolutely
dripping with wah, anyway, and next came `Born To Go'. Crimble still at the
organ meant that this too emerged as a slight dub, which was a gimmick I was
maybe adjusting to by now but it was played up to quite well and again I saw
no
reason to be disappointed. Ollis Jr returned to the decks for the tone
poem `Sonic Attack', and I have to say this was one of the better versions
I've seen, genuinely unsettling not least because of young Ollis's DJing
additions, and certainly the shortest version I've ever seen Nik do which
has to be good.
"It took me a while to recognise what they played next, partly
because it's ridiculously obscure, coming off the bootleg out-takes album
from an Egyptian concept album Nik did in 1978 under the name Sphynx with
various people who would these days prefer to think they knew better than
that, and partly because they'd left out all the musical complexity and
just gone for a simple chord sequence as backing, but it was nonetheless
`Chronological Crime' or whatever its name really is, and I was so
delighted to see it done at all that I was almost ready to forgive their
complete ducking of the challenge of actually playing the thing. Almost.
Nik did get all the words right though, which is not easy to do. Ollis on
the kit for this one, needlessly as it just wasn't very exciting. He moved
back to the decks for an equally lacklustre version of `Orgone
accumulator', however, and it didn't make it any more exciting so perhaps
he was not the limiting factor. Restricted to cheesy blues by what was
becoming a monotonously fixed pace and the organ, I can't say this was my
favourite version even though I've only seen it done two or three times.
This will probably always come bottom of that pile.
"Now however things took a turn for the better. Nik read a poem
I'd not heard before, the refrain being along the pattern if "all our
hearts are frozen now", the noun changing each verse, and that wasn't
actually bad, and they went from there into `D-Rider', which is always
slow and suits it and was as it usually is quite beautiful in a simple
heavy way. and Crimble finally picked up his guitar, which added to the
weight, while Sam Ollis went back to his drums, and so the flavour of the
act had now changed rather, a lumbering prog monster lurching forth from
the cheery dub ruins and this was the form they took for the rest of the
set.
"Perhaps it was inevitable then that they now went into Nik's best
ever song, `Brainstorm'. It was still a little tame, but I can at least
say that I've now seen a version of `Brainstorm' with cowbell, because
that's what Nik was doing for those bits of it which he wasn't covering in
blarty saxophone or actually occasionally singing.
"Following that came the group's actually-new number, `Sonic
Savages', which is simple as you'd expect but not bad, and during it Angie
the dancer, who having appeared in various costumes throughout (including
a French maid outfit I really couldn't see the relevance of) was now
attired as musketeer and dubbed Dave Anderson with her foil as she passed
along the stage, which amused me. By the time they wound that up and went
into a reasonable version of Calvert's `Ejection', she was a PVC-habited
nun blessing everyone and it actually had something to do with the whole
thing. She can actually dance which always helps. Not a great `Ejection',
and followed by a similarly not-excellent `Watching the Grass Grow', but
all was atoned for by a solid and brutal `Master of the Universe'. Mind
you I've never seen a bad version, I'm not sure if one's possible, but I
did enjoy this.
"Last number was `Silver Machine', of course, preceded with Nik's
`Thunder Rider Rap' and accompanied with a silver-clad Angie (who had had
two
other dancers passing through the crowd and getting people dancing with them
to add to the party mood, but they seemed to get tired of this after half an
hour and just wandered round looking stroppy instead), and that was, well,
I've
heard better but hey. And after the band had cleared the stage Nik stayed on
and played `The Pink Panther Theme' on sax and then led the crowd in an
acapella version of `Bones of Elvis' so you'd have to say he was trying to
give
us our money's worth.
"All in all this band is limited. They're most limited of all by
Thomas Crimble's basic rhythm style which never allows them any real
ferocity or attack, though I get the sense also that Terry Ollis has a
favourite speed which it's very difficult to shake him out of. The pace
was always the same except during `D-Rider' when it slowed down. I think
they did attempt to speed `Watching the Grass Grow' up a bit but it didn't
really work. On the other hand, it's quite fun, and they (perhaps in fact
just Sam Ollis, but everyone has clearly decided to run with it) seem to
be trying to do something fairly major to reinvent the old material. There
is, in short, something going on here still, though sometimes it really
has to work to make its way out. Will it ever make it, I have to
wonder? But at least it wasn't what I'd been expecting."
Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Apr 29 03:22:03 2005
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:22:03 +0200
Subject: HW: Bergen DVD in the making?
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.092203.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Hmm.... seems my original post was rejected ... third try now :-)
Had an email from Bergenfest (the festival Hawkwind/We/Enslaved will
share stage on in Bergen) stating that they weren't sure if I could get
a photo pass for the concert because - and here is the REAL interesting
part - there was "a chance the concert would be recorded for DVD" .... (!)
Ma-aaan,
Ketil Svendsen,
Bergen
P? 27. apr. 2005 kl. 11.00 skrev Automatic digest processor:
Fra: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at HAGEDORN.DK>
I just spoke to Thomas the Singer in WE and he has been
corresponding with the band and they are bringing the full psychedelic
lightshow including Dancers to Bergen for this show.
From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 29 06:37:22 2005
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:37:22 +0100
Subject: NIK: Space Ritual @ The 100 Club, London, 22nd April 2005
In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:55:49 +0100
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.113722.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Jon Jarrett writes:
> "Now however things took a turn for the better. Nik read a poem
> I'd not heard before, the refrain being along the pattern if "all our
> hearts are frozen now"
Moorcock's "Note From a Cold Planet"?
FoFP
From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Apr 29 13:29:55 2005
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:29:55 -0400
Subject: HW: Album Release Dates + Gigs
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.132955.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
+ ++ ++ +++STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
Always make Mission Control and BOC-L Your first point of call
for the LATEST Hawkwind information...........
We are pleased to announce the release dates
for our new studio album and single:
Single - 'Spirit of the Age' - 30th August
Album - 'Take Me To Your Leader' 12th Sept
We also have two more confirmed Scandinavian dates:
26.05.05 Helsinki, Tavastia www.tavastiaklubi.fi
27.05.05 Tampere, Klubi http://www.klubi.net/tre/html/eng_index.html
More gigs being arranged (dates for the diary):
London Astoria 21st Dec
Birkenhead 15th Dec
Manchester 14th or 16th TBA
More detail on MISSION CONTROL asap !.......
+ ++ ++ +++STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
www.hawkwind.com
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 29 13:53:45 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:53:45 +0100
Subject: NIK: Space Ritual @ The 100 Club, London, 22nd April 2005
In-Reply-To: <200504291037.j3TAbMJH010075@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.185345.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, M Holmes wrote:
> Jon Jarrett writes:
>
> > "Now however things took a turn for the better. Nik read a poem
> > I'd not heard before, the refrain being along the pattern if "all our
> > hearts are frozen now"
>
> Moorcock's "Note From a Cold Planet"?
<googles>
Yes, that's it. Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 29 15:24:09 2005
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:24:09 +0100
Subject: HW: Album Release Dates + Gigs
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%2005042913295517@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.202409.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Rik Rx wrote:
> Always make Mission Control and BOC-L Your first point of call
> for the LATEST Hawkwind information...........
http://www.hawkwind.com/pf.htm :-P
> More detail on MISSION CONTROL asap !.......
It's quite ironic you should say that, really, as
http://www.hawkwind.com/up_.htm says:
"WE WILL BE ANNOUNCING FURTHER DETAILS asap ON BOC-L"
Ah, recursion, two-headed hawk thou never wert. Or
something. Yours,
Jon
--
Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College, London
jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk/ejarr01 at students.bbk.ac.uk
"As much as the vision of the blind man improves with the rising sun,
So too does the intelligence of the fool after good advice."
(Bishop Theodulf of Orleans, late-eight/early-ninth century)
From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 29 18:39:09 2005
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:39:09 EDT
Subject: HW: Album Release Dates + Gigs
Message-ID: <FRI.29.APR.2005.183909.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
In a message dated 4/29/2005 12:32:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
hw at CY-B.ORG writes:
We are pleased to announce the release dates
for our new studio album and single:
Single - 'Spirit of the Age' - 30th August
Album - 'Take Me To Your Leader' 12th Sept
Yeah, I'll believe it when it happens!
Joe
From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Apr 29 19:07:38 2005
From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Storer)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:07:38 +0100
Subject: HW: Album Release Dates + Gigs
Message-ID: <SAT.30.APR.2005.000738.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
("Tongue in cheek" mode)
Notice how you don't say which year!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Rx" <hw at CY-B.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Album Release Dates + Gigs
>+ ++ ++ +++STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
>
> Always make Mission Control and BOC-L Your first point of call
> for the LATEST Hawkwind information...........
>
> We are pleased to announce the release dates
> for our new studio album and single:
>
> Single - 'Spirit of the Age' - 30th August
> Album - 'Take Me To Your Leader' 12th Sept
>
> We also have two more confirmed Scandinavian dates:
> 26.05.05 Helsinki, Tavastia www.tavastiaklubi.fi
> 27.05.05 Tampere, Klubi http://www.klubi.net/tre/html/eng_index.html
>
> More gigs being arranged (dates for the diary):
>
> London Astoria 21st Dec
> Birkenhead 15th Dec
> Manchester 14th or 16th TBA
>
> More detail on MISSION CONTROL asap !.......
>
> + ++ ++ +++STAR WARRIORS + ++ ++ +
>
> www.hawkwind.com